From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Tue Aug 1 00:05:55 2017 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 13:05:55 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION In-Reply-To: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1120E292-7DD0-4F34-9472-7236F9E832D2@sumaq.jp> I am using ?iMic?, an USB audio, wirh my Macbook Pro (Retina, Mid 2014) for sending and receiving digital mode with KX3. This works fine, but I have to use VOX instead of PTT. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2017/08/01 5:10?Gerry Miller ????? > > HI GUYS, I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010. I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE. THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC? I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR RTTY/PACKET/JT SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC. THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE. I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ > ____________________________________________________________ > How To Save 95% On A New iPhone 7? > World News > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/597f8ee59f636ee54bd7st01vuc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp From martin.rath at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 02:46:49 2017 From: martin.rath at gmail.com (Martin Rath) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:46:49 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Random LCD display - Speed and Power In-Reply-To: <58765a38-6347-422f-8689-4d98d18f3436@embarqmail.com> References: <58765a38-6347-422f-8689-4d98d18f3436@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Don, Thanks for your usual support. I built the K2 back in 2004 : I don't know if it would have the new or the old encoder board. I would need to check what type of encoder board I have inside but I cannot recal having it on a different board (and by looking at the construction manual that I have it doesn't seem to refer to any additional control board). I have no mean to actually open it here as I'm far from my work bench. Are you refering to the board described in this manual : http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740177%20K2%20Encoder%20Installation%20Instructions,%20rev%20B.pdf ? If yen then I clearly have the old one with the long leads. In my manual it's described in figures 5-18 and 5-19 on page 32. The K2 had not been used for several years (almost 6 !). It has now been plugged to a battery for over 48 hours and doesn't exibit the blinking phenoma anymore (and it never did befofre. I wonder if it could be related to chemical capacitors ... 73's Martin 9V1RM On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Martin, > > While that may happen rarely in any K2 - when the firmware is quite busy, > your video shows it happening frequently, which is abnormal. > > The most common cause of that behavior is in late K2s with the new encoder > - the one with the encoder board that sits close to the control board. If > that describes your K2, then flush cut the encoder board leads (really > close to the board) and do the same on the control board in the area where > the encoder board can contact the solder side of the Control Board. > > If your K2 has the older encoder, then look for a bad solder connection on > either the Control board or the Front Panel board. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 7/31/2017 5:06 AM, Martin Rath wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I happen to be in Europe for a few weeks of holidays and wanted to use my >> old K2 that I never imported into Singapore for some QSO's. >> >> I'm facing an issue with the LCD randomly flickering and displaying the >> power and speed. >> >> I have also experienced that when I'm in the middle of a QSO the speed >> will >> randomly change. >> >> From reillyjf at comcast.net Tue Aug 1 07:25:03 2017 From: reillyjf at comcast.net (John Reilly) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 05:25:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list In-Reply-To: <20170728.092335.10364.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20170728.092335.10364.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0be941a7-a080-db9e-85aa-aef6ec27cc3c@comcast.net> John, N0TA, forwarded this question to me about why I listed the KX2 close-in dynamic range at 3 kHz rather than the more typical 2 kHz. Some radios have limitations that make a measurement at 2-kHz impossible or invalid. If a valid measurement cannot be made at 2 kHz, then it is made at some wider spacing, such as 3, 4 or 5 kHz. Typically if a measurement cannot be made at 2 kHz, it is because of filter leakage. When a test is made at 2-KHz, for example, the third-order intermodulation products are 2-kHz below the lower frequency test tone and 2-kHz above the higher frequency test tone. If the radio cannot reject the test tone that is 2-kHz away, then it is impossible to measure the third-order distortion product. In the case of the KX2, I could measure the low side distortion product at 2 kHz with no problem using the standard 500-Hz filter bandwidth. On the other hand, when measuring the distortion product on the high side, the filter in the KX2 does not reject the test tone that is 2 kHz away. Two different KX2 radios were tested, and both showed this identical anomaly. If one reads the ARRL report on the KX2, you will see that the reviewer mentioned the filter leakage when tuned above a strong signal. Here are the odd details on the KX2 filter leakage. If the filter bandwidth is 500, 400, 300, 200 or 100 Hz, filter leakage makes the measurement at 2 kHz impossible. On the other hand, if the filter bandwidth is 550, 450, 350, 250, 150 or 50 Hz, then the measurement can be made. The League chose to publish a 2-kHz dynamic range in QST even though the measurement cannot be made on the high side with the standardized 500-Hz filter bandwidth (or any even bandwidth value). Note: Both the League and I only publish the LOWER of the two measurements. Let?s say the low side dynamic range of some radio is 95 dB and the high side is 90 dB. Both the League and I publish the lower worse-case 90 dB number. In the case of the KX2, I couldn?t pick the lower of the two readings since no measurement is possible when using the standard 500-Hz filter. Since the 2-kHz dynamic range value could not be made with the standard filter bandwidth at 2 kHz, but could be made at a 3-kHz signal spacing, I published that data. It may be of interest that the 2-kHz dynamic range number with the non-standard 450-Hz bandwidth was only 1 dB worse than the 3-kHz value. The point of listing the 3-kHz value, or any other radio with a non-2 kHz listing is to point out the radio has a limitation in its filter performance. My long form report on the KX2, available in PDF format, goes into detail about this issue, and has data on the two radios I tested, listed by serial number. At this point, Elecraft does not know why the KX2 behaves this way, or whether there is a possible firmware fix. Rob Sherwood NC0B From ae5x at juno.com Tue Aug 1 08:26:53 2017 From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 12:26:53 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list Message-ID: <20170801.072653.25231.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> I'd be interested in reading the longer KX2 report he mentions but couldn't find it on his site. Anyone have a link? John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ _____________________ >My long form report on the KX2, available in PDF format, . ____________________________________________________________ 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods" Nucific http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/598073b7d179373b75047st02vuc From n1rm at arrl.net Tue Aug 1 09:33:45 2017 From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 06:33:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey Message-ID: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> I currently live in a townhouse and have made an offer on a few acres in a more rural area. I would like to measure the relative noise levels between the two locations to reduce the probability of surprises or disappointments should I close the deal. I have gotten access to a very good battery powered spectrum analyzer and plan to use a tripod-mounted 6 foot whip and a 20 dB LNA to measure the noise levels at each location. While setting this up, I though it would be interesting to try to also use the K3 to measure noise with the same antenna (but without the LNA). I've written a Python script to control the K3 as it steps through each band and records S meter levels. I'm looking for recommendations on K3 settings for this purpose. Specific questions I have are: 1. Is the high resolution S meter command (SMH) the best way to measure received signal strength with a computer? 2. What settings for attenuator, pre-amp, and AGC will give me the most useful readings? Right now I'm using Off, On, and Off respectively for those settings. 3. What Mode and Bandwidth settings should I use? Right now I'm using CW and 200 Hz. I'm pretty sure I should be using a wider bandwidth and will try that tonight. 4. Is this a dumb idea? My first run through very late last night showed almost no variation across any of the bands. I did see differences between bands. Right now I pause for 1 second after setting band, mode, and bandwidth, and then another second after each frequency change (stepping in 10 KHz increments) for things to settle. I don't know the dynamics of the S-meter processing, so maybe I should be waiting longer. Thanks for reading this. Rick N1RM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Using-K3-for-relative-noise-survey-tp7632955.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k4to at arrl.net Tue Aug 1 10:17:11 2017 From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 10:17:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1C7319F6-63B0-4C6B-81C7-10897A28FE36@arrl.net> Don?t forget to look for noise in vertical and horizontal polarity. Dave, K4TO > On Aug 1, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Rick Miller - N1RM wrote: > > I currently live in a townhouse and have made an offer on a few acres in a > more rural area. I would like to measure the relative noise levels between > the two locations to reduce the probability of surprises or disappointments > should I close the deal. I have gotten access to a very good battery > powered spectrum analyzer and plan to use a tripod-mounted 6 foot whip and a > 20 dB LNA to measure the noise levels at each location. > > While setting this up, I though it would be interesting to try to also use > the K3 to measure noise with the same antenna (but without the LNA). I've > written a Python script to control the K3 as it steps through each band and > records S meter levels. > > I'm looking for recommendations on K3 settings for this purpose. Specific > questions I have are: > > 1. Is the high resolution S meter command (SMH) the best way to measure > received signal strength with a computer? > > 2. What settings for attenuator, pre-amp, and AGC will give me the most > useful readings? Right now I'm using Off, On, and Off respectively for those > settings. > > 3. What Mode and Bandwidth settings should I use? Right now I'm using CW > and 200 Hz. I'm pretty sure I should be using a wider bandwidth and will > try that tonight. > > 4. Is this a dumb idea? > > My first run through very late last night showed almost no variation across > any of the bands. I did see differences between bands. Right now I pause > for 1 second after setting band, mode, and bandwidth, and then another > second after each frequency change (stepping in 10 KHz increments) for > things to settle. > I don't know the dynamics of the S-meter processing, so maybe I should be > waiting longer. > > Thanks for reading this. > > Rick > N1RM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Using-K3-for-relative-noise-survey-tp7632955.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 1 10:51:41 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 07:51:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list In-Reply-To: <0be941a7-a080-db9e-85aa-aef6ec27cc3c@comcast.net> References: <20170728.092335.10364.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <0be941a7-a080-db9e-85aa-aef6ec27cc3c@comcast.net> Message-ID: The cause of this is likely to be straightforward. One of our software engineers is looking into it. Once we have the fix in place, we hope to get a KX2 to Rob for retesting. A temporary workaround (if needed due to QRM) is to use 450 instead of 500 Hz, etc. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 1, 2017, at 4:25 AM, John Reilly wrote: > > John, N0TA, forwarded this question to me about why I listed the KX2 close-in dynamic range at 3 kHz rather than the more typical 2 kHz. Some radios have limitations that make a measurement at 2-kHz impossible or invalid. If a valid measurement cannot be made at 2 kHz, then it is made at some wider spacing, such as 3, 4 or 5 kHz. Typically if a measurement cannot be made at 2 kHz, it is because of filter leakage. When a test is made at 2-KHz, for example, the third-order intermodulation products are 2-kHz below the lower frequency test tone and 2-kHz above the higher frequency test tone. If the radio cannot reject the test tone that is 2-kHz away, then it is impossible to measure the third-order distortion product. > > In the case of the KX2, I could measure the low side distortion product at 2 kHz with no problem using the standard 500-Hz filter bandwidth. On the other hand, when measuring the distortion product on the high side, the filter in the KX2 does not reject the test tone that is 2 kHz away. Two different KX2 radios were tested, and both showed this identical anomaly. If one reads the ARRL report on the KX2, you will see that the reviewer mentioned the filter leakage when tuned above a strong signal. > > Here are the odd details on the KX2 filter leakage. If the filter bandwidth is 500, 400, 300, 200 or 100 Hz, filter leakage makes the measurement at 2 kHz impossible. On the other hand, if the filter bandwidth is 550, 450, 350, 250, 150 or 50 Hz, then the measurement can be made. The League chose to publish a 2-kHz dynamic range in QST even though the measurement cannot be made on the high side with the standardized 500-Hz filter bandwidth (or any even bandwidth value). Note: Both the League and I only publish the LOWER of the two measurements. Let?s say the low side dynamic range of some radio is 95 dB and the high side is 90 dB. Both the League and I publish the lower worse-case 90 dB number. In the case of the KX2, I couldn?t pick the lower of the two readings since no measurement is possible when using the standard 500-Hz filter. > > Since the 2-kHz dynamic range value could not be made with the standard filter bandwidth at 2 kHz, but could be made at a 3-kHz signal spacing, I published that data. It may be of interest that the 2-kHz dynamic range number with the non-standard 450-Hz bandwidth was only 1 dB worse than the 3-kHz value. The point of listing the 3-kHz value, or any other radio with a non-2 kHz listing is to point out the radio has a limitation in its filter performance. > > My long form report on the KX2, available in PDF format, goes into detail about this issue, and has data on the two radios I tested, listed by serial number. > > At this point, Elecraft does not know why the KX2 behaves this way, or whether there is a possible firmware fix. > > Rob Sherwood > NC0B > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From marcouxe at hotmail.com Tue Aug 1 10:54:52 2017 From: marcouxe at hotmail.com (VE8EM) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 07:54:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB In-Reply-To: <36d09fe8-a702-e39c-f6d4-6fce41661e2e@embarqmail.com> References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com> <1501528627420-7632931.post@n2.nabble.com> <36d09fe8-a702-e39c-f6d4-6fce41661e2e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1501599292682-7632957.post@n2.nabble.com> Finally, I was about to give up but I managed to solve the issue. After hours of configuration checking and trials, I installed some Windows update which prompted a restart. After restarting the computer, and being quite stubborn, I decided to give it another try... And it magically worked, no changes needed in the settings, just a computer restart and the driver settled I guess and it has worked since then... Hopefully it will stay that way! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Kit-issue-Does-not-transmit-in-SSB-tp7632922p7632957.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 1 10:58:44 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 10:58:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <1C7319F6-63B0-4C6B-81C7-10897A28FE36@arrl.net> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <1C7319F6-63B0-4C6B-81C7-10897A28FE36@arrl.net> Message-ID: Dave, You can use the Alternate VFO B display of AFV to give better resolution than the S-meter. See page 36 of the K3 manual. You must have the CONFIG: TECH MODE turned on to show the AFV entry. If you want to see the difference between two values, there is also the DBV alternate VFO B display which will show the difference in dB between 2 noise or signal settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2017 10:17 AM, Dave Sublette wrote: >> >> I currently live in a townhouse and have made an offer on a few acres in a >> more rural area. I would like to measure the relative noise levels between >> the two locations to reduce the probability of surprises or disappointments >> should I close the deal. I have gotten access to a very good battery >> powered spectrum analyzer and plan to use a tripod-mounted 6 foot whip and a >> 20 dB LNA to measure the noise levels at each location. >> >> While setting this up, I though it would be interesting to try to also use >> the K3 to measure noise with the same antenna (but without the LNA). I've >> written a Python script to control the K3 as it steps through each band and >> records S meter levels. >> >> I'm looking for recommendations on K3 settings for this purpose. Specific >> questions I have are: From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 1 11:09:43 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:09:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <1C7319F6-63B0-4C6B-81C7-10897A28FE36@arrl.net> Message-ID: Wizkers:io or Wizkers:radio may already do that scanning that you want. I know you?ve written it in Python, but Ed may have worked out the kinks in the measurements. http://www.wizkers.io/buy-or-diy wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 1, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Dave, > > You can use the Alternate VFO B display of AFV to give better resolution than the S-meter. See page 36 of the K3 manual. You must have the CONFIG: TECH MODE turned on to show the AFV entry. > > If you want to see the difference between two values, there is also the DBV alternate VFO B display which will show the difference in dB between 2 noise or signal settings. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/1/2017 10:17 AM, Dave Sublette wrote: > >>> >>> I currently live in a townhouse and have made an offer on a few acres in a >>> more rural area. I would like to measure the relative noise levels between >>> the two locations to reduce the probability of surprises or disappointments >>> should I close the deal. I have gotten access to a very good battery >>> powered spectrum analyzer and plan to use a tripod-mounted 6 foot whip and a >>> 20 dB LNA to measure the noise levels at each location. >>> >>> While setting this up, I though it would be interesting to try to also use >>> the K3 to measure noise with the same antenna (but without the LNA). I've >>> written a Python script to control the K3 as it steps through each band and >>> records S meter levels. >>> >>> I'm looking for recommendations on K3 settings for this purpose. Specific >>> questions I have are: > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From 6146guy at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 11:54:38 2017 From: 6146guy at gmail.com (David Gow) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:54:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Sold, KXPA Still Avaiable Message-ID: The KX3 has sold and the KXPA100 is still available. Several people have asked if it has the internal tuner and yes, it does along with the adapter cable to transceive with the KX3, power cable, right angle coax cable and manual. Purchased new in August 2015 and factory assembled. I have reduced the price to $700 not including shipping. Shipping is in original factory packing. 73 Dave W7VM From dave at nk7z.net Tue Aug 1 12:18:02 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:18:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> On 08/01/2017 06:33 AM, Rick Miller - N1RM wrote: > I currently live in a townhouse and have made an offer on a few acres in a > more rural area. I would like to measure the relative noise levels between > the two locations to reduce the probability of surprises or disappointments > should I close the deal. I have gotten access to a very good battery > powered spectrum analyzer and plan to use a tripod-mounted 6 foot whip and a > 20 dB LNA to measure the noise levels at each location. > > While setting this up, I though it would be interesting to try to also use > the K3 to measure noise with the same antenna (but without the LNA). I've > written a Python script to control the K3 as it steps through each band and > records S meter levels. Might I suggest this: http://nk7z.net/sdr-rfi-survey-p1/ blog entry. It is a way of using a cheap SDR to get an overview of your RFI environment, and a way of being able to compare two environments. We are going to move soon, and I wanted a way to do exactly what you described here. I wanted a way to characterize the RFI on an entire ham band at once, and this fills the bill well. > My first run through very late last night showed almost no variation across > any of the bands. I did see differences between bands. Right now I pause > for 1 second after setting band, mode, and bandwidth, and then another > second after each frequency change (stepping in 10 KHz increments) for > things to settle. > I don't know the dynamics of the S-meter processing, so maybe I should be > waiting longer. I believe you need to be looking at a wider bandwidth than the K3 will provide, hence the the use of an SDR in the above suggested read. It takes a few days to create the spectrograms, but they will show you EXACTLY what is happening on the entire band. Thanks, and 73's, Dave (NK7Z) http://www.nk7z.net From w4sc at windstream.net Tue Aug 1 12:20:07 2017 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 12:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33E3683200FB4F6AB49F3B5667836C61@z22z28> A ?temporary? FW fix may be to make the BW settings reside on 50Hz boundary?s every 100Hz i.e. 150,250,,,2150,,, as adjusted. I doubt if the ?tween settings ?00? would be missed. 73 de Ben W4SC. From psaffren at elecraft.com Tue Aug 1 12:28:19 2017 From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:28:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Tx Mon Display In-Reply-To: <1501512243687-7632918.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501512243687-7632918.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1501604899695-7632963.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Roger, No that is not possible with the current design. The TXMON feature detects and displays the DC envelope of the RF signal. In order to display actual RF spectrum we would need to use a different coupler (direct sampling) and we'd also need a much faster analog to digital converter. Kindly, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Tx-Mon-Display-tp7632918p7632963.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Aug 1 12:38:34 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:38:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <1C7319F6-63B0-4C6B-81C7-10897A28FE36@arrl.net> Message-ID: <6758de2e-9f8c-9202-4fd5-55026148f0a9@triconet.org> I was going to recommend what Don says with a twist. (BTW, it's page 38 in the K3S manual) To get a normalized noise reading, terminate the RX antenna connector, select it and let the AFV value stabilize. Then select the normal antenna and the dBV display. This will display the ratio of external noise to a 50 Ohm termination. Mode and BW will have some effect but as long as they are constant you will get good info. Of course, all of this assumes no signals in the passband. Wes N7WS On 8/1/2017 7:58 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > You can use the Alternate VFO B display of AFV to give better resolution than > the S-meter. See page 36 of the K3 manual. You must have the CONFIG: TECH > MODE turned on to show the AFV entry. > > If you want to see the difference between two values, there is also the DBV > alternate VFO B display which will show the difference in dB between 2 noise > or signal settings. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/1/2017 10:17 AM, Dave Sublette wrote: > >>> >>> I currently live in a townhouse and have made an offer on a few acres in a >>> more rural area. I would like to measure the relative noise levels between >>> the two locations to reduce the probability of surprises or disappointments >>> should I close the deal. I have gotten access to a very good battery >>> powered spectrum analyzer and plan to use a tripod-mounted 6 foot whip and a >>> 20 dB LNA to measure the noise levels at each location. >>> >>> While setting this up, I though it would be interesting to try to also use >>> the K3 to measure noise with the same antenna (but without the LNA). I've >>> written a Python script to control the K3 as it steps through each band and >>> records S meter levels. >>> >>> I'm looking for recommendations on K3 settings for this purpose. Specific >>> questions I have are: > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From rich at wc3t.us Tue Aug 1 12:36:18 2017 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 16:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB In-Reply-To: <1501599292682-7632957.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com> <1501528627420-7632931.post@n2.nabble.com> <36d09fe8-a702-e39c-f6d4-6fce41661e2e@embarqmail.com> <1501599292682-7632957.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have had the same thing happen to me numerous times, albeit not with radio control software. The machine will just lose its freaking mind and when I shut it down, it'll begin installing downloaded (uninstalled) updates. I call it the computer's "throwing a temper tantrum." On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:54 VE8EM wrote: > Finally, I was about to give up but I managed to solve the issue. > > After hours of configuration checking and trials, I installed some Windows > update which prompted a restart. > > After restarting the computer, and being quite stubborn, I decided to give > it another try... And it magically worked, no changes needed in the > settings, just a computer restart and the driver settled I guess and it has > worked since then... > > Hopefully it will stay that way! > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Kit-issue-Does-not-transmit-in-SSB-tp7632922p7632957.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), Rich Hurd / WC3T DMR ID: 3142737 Northampton County RACES EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From 6146guy at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 12:45:34 2017 From: 6146guy at gmail.com (David Gow) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:45:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The KXPA100 has been sold subject to receipt of funds. Dave W7VM Message-ID: From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 1 12:48:13 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:48:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <01c2adc6-90c8-9dde-87b1-0a7753c91f49@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/1/2017 6:33 AM, Rick Miller - N1RM wrote: > I currently live in a townhouse and have made an offer on a few acres in a > more rural area. I would like to measure the relative noise levels between > the two locations to reduce the probability of surprises or disappointments > should I close the deal. I have gotten access to a very good battery > powered spectrum analyzer and plan to use a tripod-mounted 6 foot whip and a > 20 dB LNA to measure the noise levels at each location. Hi Rick, There are several good, inexpensive SDR receivers that plug into and are powered by a USB port. The SDR Play1 costs about $130 at HRO. See k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.ppt for a list of several others. There's good freeware from multiple sources to produce excellent spectrum displays and get RX audio out of a computer speaker. There's also freeware for Android and iPhone. Also study the link above for what sort of noise sources to look for, and how to identity the shources you see. 73, Jim K9YC From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Tue Aug 1 12:52:44 2017 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 13:52:44 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and PTT Message-ID: <1800a66f-92aa-dff2-bb5a-f11094248596@horizon.co.fk> For what it's worth. I have run JT65, FT8 and WSPR from WSJT-X using my K3 #00345 fitted with the latest K3s digital I/O module. PTT mode no problems. The USB port is handling everything, audio, CAT (PTT and band switching). When using Logger32 for CAT, RTTY/PSK audio, software CW, again it's all over the USB cable. Regards, Mike VP8NO From dl2ydp at mail.ru Tue Aug 1 12:57:28 2017 From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:57:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Tx Mon Display In-Reply-To: <1501604899695-7632963.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501512243687-7632918.post@n2.nabble.com> <1501604899695-7632963.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1501606648117-7632969.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Paul, Thank you for quick and detailed response. 73, Roger -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Tx-Mon-Display-tp7632918p7632969.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 1 13:04:06 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 10:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> Dave's advice and techniques are excellent, and I've incorporated them into my talks and writing on chasing RFI. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/1/2017 9:18 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > Might I suggest this: > > http://nk7z.net/sdr-rfi-survey-p1/ > > blog entry. It is a way of using a cheap SDR to get an overview of > your RFI environment, and a way of being able to compare two > environments. > > We are going to move soon, and I wanted a way to do exactly what you > described here. I wanted a way to characterize the RFI on an entire > ham band at once, and this fills the bill well. From ghyoungman at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 13:04:21 2017 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 13:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB In-Reply-To: References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com> <1501528627420-7632931.post@n2.nabble.com> <36d09fe8-a702-e39c-f6d4-6fce41661e2e@embarqmail.com> <1501599292682-7632957.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <03BDE3C3-EE73-49F5-A475-B994B5195178@gmail.com> Perhaps this thread ? if it continues ? should be renamed to what it is, a "PC Operating System fail? or something. :-) > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:54 VE8EM wrote: > >> Finally, I was about to give up but I managed to solve the issue. >> >> After hours of configuration checking and trials, I installed some Windows >> update which prompted a restart. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Aug 1 13:21:54 2017 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 13:21:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I have an RSP1 and it works well with the free software available to do spectrum work. I particularly like HDSDR's ability to make long term recordings. However I found it of limited use on 160m due to AMBC interference since it doesn't have much (or any?) front end filtering. I'm 30 miles north of Baltimore where the AMBC originates. I put a brickwall filter in front of it and it worked very well afterwards. I've recently bought an RSP2Pro which has better filtering in it which I hope will eliminate the need for the external filter. I haven't had time to even plug it in yet. 73 jim ab3cv On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Dave's advice and techniques are excellent, and I've incorporated them > into my talks and writing on chasing RFI. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/1/2017 9:18 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > >> Might I suggest this: >> >> http://nk7z.net/sdr-rfi-survey-p1/ >> >> blog entry. It is a way of using a cheap SDR to get an overview of your >> RFI environment, and a way of being able to compare two environments. >> >> We are going to move soon, and I wanted a way to do exactly what you >> described here. I wanted a way to characterize the RFI on an entire ham >> band at once, and this fills the bill well. >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 1 13:48:44 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 10:48:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> Thanks Jim. I live out in the country, at least 30 miles from any high power AM BC, so haven't had this issue or evaluated that important capability. The little FunCube Dongle Pro+ also has filtering, but I don't know how good it is. It covers only 192 kHz at a time, but is 16-bits, so has greater dynamic range. The SDRPlay RSP2 is probably more useful, thanks to its greater display bandwidth. With any of these radios, N7WS's calibration method (or something like it) should be used. Another suggestion -- take your test setup to a spot in the middle of nowhere -- no buildings, no power lines, no solar or wind arrays -- and look at the noise floor there. Save those data as a reference -- that's your objective at a new QTH. Also, look around the area, and apply common sense. Are there houses? Farms? Businesses? Radio towers? Cell towers? All are likely to have dozens of noise sources, either now or in the future. My applications note on chasing RFI talks about many of them. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/1/2017 10:21 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > I have an RSP1 and it works well with the free software available to > do spectrum work. I particularly like HDSDR's ability to make long > term recordings. > > However I found it of limited use on 160m due to AMBC interference > since it doesn't have much (or any?) front end filtering. I'm 30 miles > north of Baltimore where the AMBC originates. > > I put a brickwall filter in front of it and it worked very well > afterwards. > > I've recently bought an RSP2Pro which has better filtering in it which > I hope will eliminate the need for the external filter. I haven't had > time to even plug it in yet. From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 1 13:57:46 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 10:57:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: At the FCC website, you can search for registered communications towers within a radius of a location. https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/asrn-within-radius There are 56 registered towers within 10 km of my house. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 1, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Thanks Jim. I live out in the country, at least 30 miles from any high power AM BC, so haven't had this issue or evaluated that important capability. The little FunCube Dongle Pro+ also has filtering, but I don't know how good it is. It covers only 192 kHz at a time, but is 16-bits, so has greater dynamic range. The SDRPlay RSP2 is probably more useful, thanks to its greater display bandwidth. > > With any of these radios, N7WS's calibration method (or something like it) should be used. Another suggestion -- take your test setup to a spot in the middle of nowhere -- no buildings, no power lines, no solar or wind arrays -- and look at the noise floor there. Save those data as a reference -- that's your objective at a new QTH. > > Also, look around the area, and apply common sense. Are there houses? Farms? Businesses? Radio towers? Cell towers? All are likely to have dozens of noise sources, either now or in the future. My applications note on chasing RFI talks about many of them. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/1/2017 10:21 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> I have an RSP1 and it works well with the free software available to do spectrum work. I particularly like HDSDR's ability to make long term recordings. >> >> However I found it of limited use on 160m due to AMBC interference since it doesn't have much (or any?) front end filtering. I'm 30 miles north of Baltimore where the AMBC originates. >> >> I put a brickwall filter in front of it and it worked very well afterwards. >> >> I've recently bought an RSP2Pro which has better filtering in it which I hope will eliminate the need for the external filter. I haven't had time to even plug it in yet. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ua9cdc at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 14:36:11 2017 From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 23:36:11 +0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list In-Reply-To: <0be941a7-a080-db9e-85aa-aef6ec27cc3c@comcast.net> References: <20170728.092335.10364.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <0be941a7-a080-db9e-85aa-aef6ec27cc3c@comcast.net> Message-ID: The problem described below also exists in KX3, That is why I always adjust bandwidth to 50,150,250, 350 etc Hz. 73, Igor UA9CDC 01.08.2017 16:25, John Reilly ?????: > > Here are the odd details on the KX2 filter leakage. If the filter > bandwidth is 500, 400, 300, 200 or 100 Hz, filter leakage makes the > measurement at 2 kHz impossible. On the other hand, if the filter > bandwidth is 550, 450, 350, 250, 150 or 50 Hz, then the measurement > can be made. The League chose to publish a 2-kHz dynamic range in QST > even though the measurement cannot be made on the high side with the > standardized 500-Hz filter bandwidth (or any even bandwidth value). > Note: Both the League and I only publish the LOWER of the two > measurements. Let?s say the low side dynamic range of some radio is > 95 dB and the high side is 90 dB. Both the League and I publish the > lower worse-case 90 dB number. In the case of the KX2, I couldn?t pick > the lower of the two readings since no measurement is possible when > using the standard 500-Hz filter. > > Since the 2-kHz dynamic range value could not be made with the > standard filter bandwidth at 2 kHz, but could be made at a 3-kHz > signal spacing, I published that data. It may be of interest that the > 2-kHz dynamic range number with the non-standard 450-Hz bandwidth was > only 1 dB worse than the 3-kHz value. The point of listing the 3-kHz > value, or any other radio with a non-2 kHz listing is to point out the > radio has a limitation in its filter performance. > > My long form report on the KX2, available in PDF format, goes into > detail about this issue, and has data on the two radios I tested, > listed by serial number. > > At this point, Elecraft does not know why the KX2 behaves this way, or > whether there is a possible firmware fix. > > Rob Sherwood > NC0B > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ua9cdc at gmail.com From ve3bwp at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 17:28:05 2017 From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:28:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION Message-ID: <80E757DC-23C7-4947-AD9A-950D8F0DC415@gmail.com> Gerry I use my KX3 and a couple of macbooks all the time with no problems. The elecraft USB to serial cable that comes with the KX3 works fine with Fldidgi or wsjt. For the RX/TX audio interfacing I use the Tigertronics Signalink USB interface which is opto-isolated just for that extra level of insurance. You can order it with preconfigured KX3 cable and jumper. Its a pretty common configuration so you?ll find no shortage of help pulling it all together. Message: 13 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:10:09 GMT From: "Gerry Miller" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION Message-ID: <20170731.161009.15872.2 at webmail05.vgs.untd.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 HI GUYS, I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010. I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE. THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC? I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR RTTY/PACKET/JT SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC. THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE. I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ From kstover at ac0h.net Tue Aug 1 17:52:55 2017 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 16:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f57c623-7ef7-4894-22ae-4cf5e446d685@ac0h.net> I have a filter setup for OT posts. If the sender of the email puts OT or [OT] in the subject line a required by the Elecraft guidelines my mail program will automatically move that email to an "OT" folder which I peruse at my convenience. All of my filters run on any new mail and move the mail to the respective folder. Any email that doesn't get moved ends up in a generic "Elecraft" folder with two strikes applied. If the mail wasn't sent by Eric or Wayne they're gone. Strike three. It all gets sorted and moved automatically. I don't have to touch it and don't ever see the emails the filters have deleted unless I check the trash before cleaning that out. It's usually right click and "empty folder". On 7/31/2017 7:16 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > What if I make a post with the same title as the one above, and don't > mention any Elecraft model numbers in either the body or subject... > > How do you make the decision to filter or delete then? I ask not to be > contentious, but to learn how for my own filters. I don't want to have > to set filters in real time for every OT post, but a general filter > would be great. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 07/31/2017 04:47 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: >> It's simple. >> >> I set my filters up to Elecraft mail list guidelines. >> Any mail those filters don't move to the correct local folder, K2, K3, >> KX3, etc..., are unceremoniously dumped. >> >> You could post the cure for cancer and if you can't follow the "rules" >> as set up by Elecraft my mail reader will auto-dump your scofflaw email. >> >> It works. >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 ARRL From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 1 18:28:52 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 15:28:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: <0f57c623-7ef7-4894-22ae-4cf5e446d685@ac0h.net> References: <0f57c623-7ef7-4894-22ae-4cf5e446d685@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <06561dbe-c7df-a94b-0a6b-193d0fa02f5f@audiosystemsgroup.com> I read a couple of dozen email reflectors, and have for years. Some have almost no traffic, some have a lot. Early on, I set up my email client (first PM Mail, now Thunderbird) to sort incoming mail by reflector. That simple process makes it very easy to read stuff. If there's stuff I don't care about, I simply delete it. For the same reason, I don't use Digest modes -- it's too hard to browse and delete. Over the years, I've learned a lot in unexpected places and and at unexpected times. :) If I simply trashed stuff without reading it, I would have missed a lot. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/1/2017 2:52 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: > I have a filter setup for OT posts. From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Aug 1 18:37:05 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 18:37:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: <0f57c623-7ef7-4894-22ae-4cf5e446d685@ac0h.net> References: <0f57c623-7ef7-4894-22ae-4cf5e446d685@ac0h.net> Message-ID: Interesting subject. I don't seem to have trouble with the "filters" in my K3S. So I just deleted this thread. Now I see it is about "email filters". Duh, who knew? A more descriptive subject might have drawn me in. This is something I might be interested in Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: > > I have a filter setup for OT posts. > > If the sender of the email puts OT or [OT] in the subject line a required by the Elecraft guidelines my mail program will automatically move that email to an "OT" folder which I peruse at my convenience. > > All of my filters run on any new mail and move the mail to the respective folder. Any email that doesn't get moved ends up in a generic "Elecraft" folder with two strikes applied. If the mail wasn't sent by Eric or Wayne they're gone. Strike three. > > It all gets sorted and moved automatically. I don't have to touch it and don't ever see the emails the filters have deleted unless I check the trash before cleaning that out. It's usually right click and "empty folder". > > >> On 7/31/2017 7:16 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> What if I make a post with the same title as the one above, and don't mention any Elecraft model numbers in either the body or subject... >> How do you make the decision to filter or delete then? I ask not to be contentious, but to learn how for my own filters. I don't want to have to set filters in real time for every OT post, but a general filter would be great. >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >>> On 07/31/2017 04:47 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: >>> It's simple. >>> >>> I set my filters up to Elecraft mail list guidelines. >>> Any mail those filters don't move to the correct local folder, K2, K3, KX3, etc..., are unceremoniously dumped. >>> >>> You could post the cure for cancer and if you can't follow the "rules" as set up by Elecraft my mail reader will auto-dump your scofflaw email. >>> From n1rm at arrl.net Tue Aug 1 18:47:57 2017 From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 15:47:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for all the info! It turns out I have an RSP2 and now have it running with HDSDR in "slow" waterfall mode. I'm now looking for a way to control the front end options of the RSP2 - nothing seems to be built into HDSDR to do that, but that's a topic for another mail list. BTW - I conveniently have an EXCELLENT Clifton Labs 1800 KHz AMBC high pass filter that sure tames the input dynamic range when measuring 160M. I will also try the suggestions for different ways to record signal strength on the K3. Thanks again, Rick N1RM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Using-K3-for-relative-noise-survey-tp7632955p7632979.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6um.elist at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 18:51:30 2017 From: k6um.elist at gmail.com (Steve Lund) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 15:51:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB In-Reply-To: References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com> <1501528627420-7632931.post@n2.nabble.com> <36d09fe8-a702-e39c-f6d4-6fce41661e2e@embarqmail.com> <1501599292682-7632957.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: This is a really common problem with Win10. If it has downloaded a new update in the background, but not installed it, many of the drivers quit working. For me it is ALWAYS soundcard #1 that fails. Once a reboot is performed, things start working normally. Steve, K6UM On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:36 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > I have had the same thing happen to me numerous times, albeit not with > radio control software. The machine will just lose its freaking mind and > when I shut it down, it'll begin installing downloaded (uninstalled) > updates. I call it the computer's "throwing a temper tantrum." > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:54 VE8EM wrote: > > > Finally, I was about to give up but I managed to solve the issue. > > > > After hours of configuration checking and trials, I installed some > Windows > > update which prompted a restart. > > > > After restarting the computer, and being quite stubborn, I decided to > give > > it another try... And it magically worked, no changes needed in the > > settings, just a computer restart and the driver settled I guess and it > has > > worked since then... > > > > Hopefully it will stay that way! > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Kit-issue-Does- > not-transmit-in-SSB-tp7632922p7632957.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > > > -- > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > Rich Hurd / WC3T > DMR ID: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: > *FN20is* > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6um.elist at gmail.com > From gerry at w1ve.com Tue Aug 1 18:58:35 2017 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 22:58:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB In-Reply-To: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Just a quick thought... make sure you are not in TX Test mode! 73, Gerry W1VE On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:11 PM VE8EM wrote: > Good day, > > I am adressing this issue to this forum as I am puzzled and don't know what > to do. > > Basically, I assembled my K3S kit about a month ago, no issues with the > build and initial testing. I have done all of the required calibration and > even the RF Gain calibration using the XG3 signal generator. > > Everything worked out fine, I was able to receive signals and hooking up my > paddle I was able to transmit in CW. Since I have the TX Monitor option, I > was able to see the signal and power output on the P3 display. I did put > back the radio in his box and put it aside for about a month as I was busy > with other family issues (i.e. a new baby). > > I pulled back the radio last week as I wanted to play with the digital > modes, after fiddling with the settings I was able to hook up the computer > and the radio using the USB cable to use the internal sound card and > control. I am able to receive signals on my computer, I can see the > received > signal on the computer display so I have no doubt that the sound card > drivers are working. I configured the software to control the radio and > when > I start to transmit using the software, the radio turn into transmit mode > and the TX red LED lights up. However, looking on the P3 Display using the > TX Monitor, I see no signal being transmitted, if I increase the Monitor > volume, I hear a hissing sound and there is no power output. > > Since I initially thought this was caused by a setting, I hooked up the MH2 > microphone and pressed the PTT, the TX LED lights up, but when I speak in > the microphone, no signal appear on the TX Monitor, same hissing sound when > I increase the Monitor Volume and no power output. > > Does anyone have faced such an issue? Any idea what is wrong? > > I have assembled many kits helping other people (K3, K3S, KX3, PX3) and > never faced any issue but for my kit, I dont get it. > > Thanks in advance! > > Etienne Marcoux > VE8EM > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Kit-issue-Does-not-transmit-in-SSB-tp7632922.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com > -- Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops gerry at w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) From jc_ki7y at q.com Tue Aug 1 19:00:46 2017 From: jc_ki7y at q.com (Jim Cassidy) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1065612634.1093955.1501628446046.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> Is there an email roofing filter recommendation?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nr4c" To: "Kevin Stover, AC0H" Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:37:05 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters Interesting subject. I don't seem to have trouble with the "filters" in my K3S. So I just deleted this thread. Now I see it is about "email filters". Duh, who knew? A more descriptive subject might have drawn me in. This is something I might be interested in Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: > > I have a filter setup for OT posts. > > If the sender of the email puts OT or [OT] in the subject line a required by the Elecraft guidelines my mail program will automatically move that email to an "OT" folder which I peruse at my convenience. > > All of my filters run on any new mail and move the mail to the respective folder. Any email that doesn't get moved ends up in a generic "Elecraft" folder with two strikes applied. If the mail wasn't sent by Eric or Wayne they're gone. Strike three. > > It all gets sorted and moved automatically. I don't have to touch it and don't ever see the emails the filters have deleted unless I check the trash before cleaning that out. It's usually right click and "empty folder". > > >> On 7/31/2017 7:16 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> What if I make a post with the same title as the one above, and don't mention any Elecraft model numbers in either the body or subject... >> How do you make the decision to filter or delete then? I ask not to be contentious, but to learn how for my own filters. I don't want to have to set filters in real time for every OT post, but a general filter would be great. >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >>> On 07/31/2017 04:47 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: >>> It's simple. >>> >>> I set my filters up to Elecraft mail list guidelines. >>> Any mail those filters don't move to the correct local folder, K2, K3, KX3, etc..., are unceremoniously dumped. >>> >>> You could post the cure for cancer and if you can't follow the "rules" as set up by Elecraft my mail reader will auto-dump your scofflaw email. >>> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jc_ki7y at q.com -- Jim Cassidy KI7Y From 6146guy at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 19:12:06 2017 From: 6146guy at gmail.com (David Gow) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 16:12:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA for sale sold Message-ID: It is sold pending recipient of funds Dave W7VM From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 20:09:06 2017 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 00:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> Rick,? While it is not easy, you should put in the agenda checking it day and night. ?I found very different noise profiles that way.... Mel, K6KBE From: Rick Miller - N1RM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey Thanks for all the info! It turns out I have an RSP2 and now have it running with HDSDR in "slow" waterfall mode.? I'm now looking for a way to control the front end options of the RSP2 - nothing seems to be built into HDSDR to do that, but that's a topic for another mail list.? BTW - I conveniently have an EXCELLENT Clifton Labs 1800 KHz AMBC high pass filter that sure tames the input dynamic range when measuring 160M. I will also try the suggestions for different ways to record signal strength on the K3. Thanks again, Rick N1RM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Using-K3-for-relative-noise-survey-tp7632955p7632979.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Aug 1 20:20:55 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:20:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: <1065612634.1093955.1501628446046.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1065612634.1093955.1501628446046.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <2c18ecd0-8c6c-e812-170e-28261735e391@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> PopFile, although it's more like a really good DSP. On 8/1/2017 4:00 PM, Jim Cassidy wrote: > Is there an email roofing filter recommendation?? From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Aug 1 20:47:51 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:47:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: <1065612634.1093955.1501628446046.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1065612634.1093955.1501628446046.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <9cdd4e5a-a693-27e9-34f5-766360b7a18f@triconet.org> I run my email clients wide open like a direct sampling radio and post-process by eyeball and the [delete] key. I really don't understand all the fuss. Wes N7WS On 8/1/2017 4:00 PM, Jim Cassidy wrote: > Is there an email roofing filter recommendation?? > From k9ma at sdellington.us Tue Aug 1 21:29:36 2017 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 20:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list In-Reply-To: <33E3683200FB4F6AB49F3B5667836C61@z22z28> References: <33E3683200FB4F6AB49F3B5667836C61@z22z28> Message-ID: Another interesting detail, I think. For the KX3, if I recall correctly, both the QST review and Sherwood's tests indicated that the audio image (opposite side of zero beat) wasn't all that far down, like 60 dB, and limited close-in dynamic range. I don't recall any such qualifications for the KX2, and indeed mine doesn't seem to have an audible image even on the strongest signals. (Not a scientific test, I know, but I think I'd hear an image 60 dB down.) If this is so, what is the difference responsible? Note that the optional "roofing" filter in the KX3 is really just an audio filter. While it may improve dynamic range beyond a few kHz, it has no effect on the image. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From dave at nk7z.net Tue Aug 1 22:22:52 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:22:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: <0f57c623-7ef7-4894-22ae-4cf5e446d685@ac0h.net> References: <0f57c623-7ef7-4894-22ae-4cf5e446d685@ac0h.net> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing, I think I will add some filters along those lines as well. My filters are rather simple now, but I see I will need to make them more complex to avoid all the off topic posts. Thanks for sharing! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/01/2017 02:52 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: > I have a filter setup for OT posts. > > If the sender of the email puts OT or [OT] in the subject line a > required by the Elecraft guidelines my mail program will automatically > move that email to an "OT" folder which I peruse at my convenience. > > All of my filters run on any new mail and move the mail to the > respective folder. Any email that doesn't get moved ends up in a generic > "Elecraft" folder with two strikes applied. If the mail wasn't sent by > Eric or Wayne they're gone. Strike three. > > It all gets sorted and moved automatically. I don't have to touch it and > don't ever see the emails the filters have deleted unless I check the > trash before cleaning that out. It's usually right click and "empty > folder". > > > On 7/31/2017 7:16 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> What if I make a post with the same title as the one above, and don't >> mention any Elecraft model numbers in either the body or subject... >> >> How do you make the decision to filter or delete then? I ask not to >> be contentious, but to learn how for my own filters. I don't want to >> have to set filters in real time for every OT post, but a general >> filter would be great. >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >> >> On 07/31/2017 04:47 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote: >>> It's simple. >>> >>> I set my filters up to Elecraft mail list guidelines. >>> Any mail those filters don't move to the correct local folder, K2, >>> K3, KX3, etc..., are unceremoniously dumped. >>> >>> You could post the cure for cancer and if you can't follow the >>> "rules" as set up by Elecraft my mail reader will auto-dump your >>> scofflaw email. >>> >>> It works. >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net >> > From dave at nk7z.net Tue Aug 1 22:25:06 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:25:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87ccb59e-7795-5a3b-aab6-0a77b3a68ac7@nk7z.net> Amen to that! Day and night are as different as-- well-- day and night! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/01/2017 05:09 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Rick, > While it is not easy, you should put in the agenda checking it day and night. I found very different noise profiles that way.... > Mel, K6KBE > > From: Rick Miller - N1RM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey > > Thanks for all the info! > > It turns out I have an RSP2 and now have it running with HDSDR in "slow" > waterfall mode. I'm now looking for a way to control the front end options > of the RSP2 - nothing seems to be built into HDSDR to do that, but that's a > topic for another mail list. BTW - I conveniently have an EXCELLENT Clifton > Labs 1800 KHz AMBC high pass filter that sure tames the input dynamic range > when measuring 160M. > > I will also try the suggestions for different ways to record signal strength > on the K3. > > Thanks again, > Rick > N1RM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Using-K3-for-relative-noise-survey-tp7632955p7632979.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From dave at nk7z.net Tue Aug 1 22:25:57 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:25:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters In-Reply-To: <9cdd4e5a-a693-27e9-34f5-766360b7a18f@triconet.org> References: <1065612634.1093955.1501628446046.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> <9cdd4e5a-a693-27e9-34f5-766360b7a18f@triconet.org> Message-ID: Your tolerance level for off topic posts is different than many. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/01/2017 05:47 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I run my email clients wide open like a direct sampling radio and > post-process by eyeball and the [delete] key. I really don't understand > all the fuss. > > Wes N7WS > > On 8/1/2017 4:00 PM, Jim Cassidy wrote: >> Is there an email roofing filter recommendation?? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 1 23:57:50 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 20:57:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list In-Reply-To: References: <33E3683200FB4F6AB49F3B5667836C61@z22z28> Message-ID: We found the problem; turns out to be in the setup command to the DSP, not in the DSP itself. With any luck we'll have it fixed this week in both rigs. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 1, 2017, at 6:29 PM, K9MA wrote: > > Another interesting detail, I think. For the KX3, if I recall correctly, both the QST review and Sherwood's tests indicated that the audio image (opposite side of zero beat) wasn't all that far down, like 60 dB, and limited close-in dynamic range. I don't recall any such qualifications for the KX2, and indeed mine doesn't seem to have an audible image even on the strongest signals. (Not a scientific test, I know, but I think I'd hear an image 60 dB down.) If this is so, what is the difference responsible? > > Note that the optional "roofing" filter in the KX3 is really just an audio filter. While it may improve dynamic range beyond a few kHz, it has no effect on the image. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > > -- > Scott K9MA > > k9ma at sdellington.us > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From htodd at twofifty.com Wed Aug 2 00:44:03 2017 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 21:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <87ccb59e-7795-5a3b-aab6-0a77b3a68ac7@nk7z.net> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> <87ccb59e-7795-5a3b-aab6-0a77b3a68ac7@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Just a warning: my buddy did a survey of his property (which did end up being a contesting site) and heard nothing. Turns out the high-tension lines about 1000' away were turned off for maintenance at the time. On Tue, 1 Aug 2017, Dave Cole wrote: > Amen to that! Day and night are as different as-- well-- day and night! -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From phystad at mac.com Wed Aug 2 00:57:12 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 21:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- For sale, KAT500 Auto Tuner Message-ID: <4DDD8294-72C2-4759-AB17-9946881D6727@mac.com> Selling KAT500 Auto-tuner, serial number 2277, that I purchased in March (2017). A bargain at $500 including shipping CONUS. Paypal requested. Excellent condition, hardly used and never more than 100-watts power. If interested please send message directly to my e-mail address. 73, phil, K7PEH From dave at ad6a.com Wed Aug 2 01:35:59 2017 From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 22:35:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list In-Reply-To: References: <33E3683200FB4F6AB49F3B5667836C61@z22z28> Message-ID: Excellent! What great customer service and support - second to none!! 73, Dave AD6A Sent from my ? iPhone 7 Plus On Aug 1, 2017, at 6:29 PM, K9MA wrote: Another interesting detail, I think. For the KX3, if I recall correctly, both the QST review and Sherwood's tests indicated that the audio image (opposite side of zero beat) wasn't all that far down, like 60 dB, and limited close-in dynamic range. I don't recall any such qualifications for the KX2, and indeed mine doesn't seem to have an audible image even on the strongest signals. (Not a scientific test, I know, but I think I'd hear an image 60 dB down.) If this is so, what is the difference responsible? Note that the optional "roofing" filter in the KX3 is really just an audio filter. While it may improve dynamic range beyond a few kHz, it has no effect on the image. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at ad6a.com From indians at xsmail.com Wed Aug 2 04:53:11 2017 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 01:53:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Permanent NTCH setting Message-ID: <1501663991053-7632995.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, sorry to bother you over here. I would like to just ask if there is chance somehow to set the notch filter permanently on K3? I am a bit weary to adjusting the NTCH after each tuning ON the radio... Many thanks for help. 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Permanent-NTCH-setting-tp7632995.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at comcast.net Wed Aug 2 10:41:04 2017 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:41:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving independent bands Message-ID: <5981E480.6000407@comcast.net> Guys, The solar eclipse is coming and one group is asking for people to record 8 hours of doppler shifts and amplitudes on as many WWV and CHU freqs as possible. I have a K3 with subrx. I'm having trouble different frequencies in the main and subrx. Here's what I want to do: 1) Put highest band in the main (14.X MHz) 2) Put lowest band in the sub. (7.x MHz) 3) Main antenna is shared. VFO IND is Yes LNK OFF VFO's set in split or not (tried both ways). Put lowest frequency into main RX and set AGC, bandwidth et al. hit A->B twice to enter all info into the sub rx. Now here is the glitch. No matter how I try to enter the higher frequency into A (punch it from front panel in or via logging program). The main RX frequency gets copied to B. Yes VFO linking is off as indicated by no flashing decimal point. The only way I've been able to get what I want is to tune VFO A dial to the desired frequency. A royal pain. Is there an easier way? 73 de Brian/K3KO From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 12:35:13 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:35:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares Message-ID: Many of us use QRZ.com listings to determine the grid square for a given station. Use caution ... QRZ apparently uses the address location to determine the grid square that the website shows.. There are numerous situations where the address is a P.O. box that is -not- in the station's actual grid. An example is a nearby city that happens to be split by a grid border of two grids and there are several stations who have P.O. boxes that are -not- in the grid where the station is located. If the station you're logging is a mobile ... all bets are off. (:-) FWIW Ken Kopp - K0PP From w6jhb at me.com Wed Aug 2 12:42:11 2017 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:42:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The other issue that I run into a LOT is with folks who are either on vacation, traveling, or have moved and simply have not updated their records. They send one grid square on WSJT-X and yet QRZ has something completely different. My grid is CM98, but operating on vacation in April as DU8/W6JHB I was in PJ19, and of course QRZ knew nothing about that. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Aug 2, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Many of us use QRZ.com listings to determine the grid > square for a given station. Use caution ... QRZ apparently > uses the address location to determine the grid square that > the website shows.. > > There are numerous situations where the address is a P.O. > box that is -not- in the station's actual grid. An example is > a nearby city that happens to be split by a grid border of > two grids and there are several stations who have P.O. > boxes that are -not- in the grid where the station is located. > > If the station you're logging is a mobile ... all bets are off. (:-) > > FWIW > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Aug 2 13:21:53 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:21:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Multiple ramifications here.? Unless the ham has specifically entered his station coordinates, the coordinates in QRZ, and thus the grid, will usually default to the Post Office that services his ZIP code.? It is "usually" because even that doesn't always happen in very small communities.? And to complicate things, my home grid is DM09dn.? I often operate W7RN remotely with my call.? That grid is DM09ei, and the two are good to four characters.? W1YL also operates W7RN remotely ... from FL, which isn't good to any characters.? I think you have to get the grid from the station during the QSO, if grid matters. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/2/2017 9:42 AM, James Bennett wrote: > The other issue that I run into a LOT is with folks who are either on vacation, traveling, or have moved and simply have not updated their records. They send one grid square on WSJT-X and yet QRZ has something completely different. My grid is CM98, but operating on vacation in April as DU8/W6JHB I was in PJ19, and of course QRZ knew nothing about that. > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Aug 2 13:49:46 2017 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 CW Speed Message-ID: According to the RBN reports, my KX2 seems to send about 2 wpm faster than the set speed, like 34 vs 32. Has anyone else noticed this? Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 2 13:49:55 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:49:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84603cd1-b121-9c33-cd0e-52334c470ffb@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/2/2017 10:21 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I think you have to get the grid from the station during the QSO, if > grid matters. Or from the QSL or LOTW. Grids mostly matter on VHF, and nearly universal practice is for the grid to be part of the first "over" in every QSO, regardless of mode. All software to run K1JT's WSJT modes default to sending the grid when calling CQ and answering a CQ. qrz.com has a great mapping feature that shows where the software thinks his/her QTH is. It's easy to zoom in to see if the map location agrees with a street address, and you can click on "explore on a grid map" below the map to see the outline of the 6-character grid. Another great grid mapper is on aprs.fi which is designed to track APRS stations. If you enter a grid, the software will outline it on what looks like a google map. Again, it's easy to zoom and pan this map to see streets and other details. I discovered this when chasing a mobile who was lighting up nearly a dozen grids on a trip from ND to AZ, mostly working MSK144 (meteor scatter). When you set up your qrz.com page, it's easy to enter your QTH either as a grid square or lat/lon. But when you don't do that, qrz.com uses your license address. I also chase CQ Fields, which are the rectangles defined by the two letters in the grid square. The field is rarely part of a QSO, so you have to figure it out from available data. When the ham hasn't entered his QTH, in some countries qrz.com will pick the geographic center of the country. This can yield very wrong results in large countries like Russia or Australia. :) 73, Jim K9YC From davebelville at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 14:08:14 2017 From: davebelville at gmail.com (Dave Belville) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 CW Speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've never noticed it. I can't go that fast. Dave KD9VT On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:49 PM, K9MA wrote: > According to the RBN reports, my KX2 seems to send about 2 wpm faster than > the set speed, like 34 vs 32. Has anyone else noticed this? > > Scott K9MA > > -- > Scott K9MA > > k9ma at sdellington.us > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelville at gmail.com > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 14:11:16 2017 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:11:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 CW Speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76212289-DDDC-4258-9A94-0362E6D0D2DE@gmail.com> How does the RBN measure speed?? One character at a time? Over a period of time? Regardless of the speed set in the keyer dial, character spacing and/or word spacing might matter. > On Aug 2, 2017, at 1:49 PM, K9MA wrote: > > According to the RBN reports, my KX2 seems to send about 2 wpm faster than the set speed, like 34 vs 32. Has anyone else noticed this? > > Scott K9MA > > -- > Scott K9MA > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From w1zk at comcast.net Wed Aug 2 14:30:39 2017 From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS Elecraft Mini-Modules Message-ID: <83df8fd8-da04-7fc1-91c6-731c24fdf432@comcast.net> For Sale: Elecraft Mini-Module kits.N-GEN wide band noise generator 100Khz-500Mhz. XG1 1uV/50uV 7Mhz test oscillator. XG2 3 band 1uV/50uV 20M/40M/80M test oscillator. Includes an approximately 3 ft RG-58 cable with RCA connectors plus UHF and BNC adapters. Perfect working order, full voltage batteries and all come with their original bags and manuals. Original owner/builder. Shipped, $120 and I use PayPal. -- Webmaster USS PUEBLO Veterans Association Life Member American Ex-Prisoners of War Life Member Disabled American Veterans From n9tf at comcast.net Wed Aug 2 14:41:16 2017 From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:41:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: <84603cd1-b121-9c33-cd0e-52334c470ffb@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <84603cd1-b121-9c33-cd0e-52334c470ffb@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <439691437.91887.1501699277491@connect.xfinity.com> > > On August 2, 2017 at 12:49 PM Jim Brown wrote: > > On 8/2/2017 10:21 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > > > > > I think you have to get the grid from the station during the QSO, if > > grid matters. > > > > > > The bottom line is, copy what is sent/you hear. > > I am a very strong advocate of copy what you hear rather than rely on "some document" (QRZ or those new "pre fill" data files some contesters load into their logging software) published somewhere. In the spirit of requirements for awards contests and certificates, we are supposed to log what we hear, not look it up later and change if we think we made a mistake, right? > > If you heard/logged it wrong, make another contact. > From lists at subich.com Wed Aug 2 14:46:23 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:46:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: <84603cd1-b121-9c33-cd0e-52334c470ffb@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <84603cd1-b121-9c33-cd0e-52334c470ffb@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <31630189-ee52-039b-7c92-97b948bb0bd6@subich.com> A third excellent tool for determining grid square is the tool at http://www.levinecentral.com/ham/grid_square.php 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/2/2017 1:49 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/2/2017 10:21 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> I think you have to get the grid from the station during the QSO, if >> grid matters. > > Or from the QSL or LOTW. Grids mostly matter on VHF, and nearly > universal practice is for the grid to be part of the first "over" in > every QSO, regardless of mode. All software to run K1JT's WSJT modes > default to sending the grid when calling CQ and answering a CQ. > > qrz.com has a great mapping feature that shows where the software thinks > his/her QTH is. It's easy to zoom in to see if the map location agrees > with a street address, and you can click on "explore on a grid map" > below the map to see the outline of the 6-character grid. > > Another great grid mapper is on aprs.fi which is designed to track APRS > stations. If you enter a grid, the software will outline it on what > looks like a google map. Again, it's easy to zoom and pan this map to > see streets and other details. I discovered this when chasing a mobile > who was lighting up nearly a dozen grids on a trip from ND to AZ, mostly > working MSK144 (meteor scatter). > > When you set up your qrz.com page, it's easy to enter your QTH either as > a grid square or lat/lon. But when you don't do that, qrz.com uses your > license address. > > I also chase CQ Fields, which are the rectangles defined by the two > letters in the grid square. The field is rarely part of a QSO, so you > have to figure it out from available data. When the ham hasn't entered > his QTH, in some countries qrz.com will pick the geographic center of > the country. This can yield very wrong results in large countries like > Russia or Australia. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at jtmiller.com Wed Aug 2 14:52:54 2017 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:52:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 news update? Message-ID: It's been since late May that we've heard anything on KPA1500 status. Having sold all my "boots" in anticipation, I'm barefoot going into the contest season. Any news? jim ab3cv (credit card on the ramp, one turnin', one burnin') From scott.small at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 15:23:32 2017 From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:23:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 news update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (new kx3 owner, otherwise unaffiliated) I suspect they aren't allowed to say anything until the FCC approval # is issued, otherwise perhaps they could get busted for soliciting for sale of an unapproved RF device. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > It's been since late May that we've heard anything on KPA1500 status. > > Having sold all my "boots" in anticipation, I'm barefoot going into the > contest season. > > Any news? > > jim ab3cv (credit card on the ramp, one turnin', one burnin') > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com > -- Scott Small From john at kn5l.net Wed Aug 2 16:06:59 2017 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 CW Speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <795e95e9-5aa1-7c52-6f65-bd7f2498b640@kn5l.net> Hi Scott, Measuring the KX2 DOT period with KYR-SP set to 32 WPM is 34.6 ms. Which equates to 34.7 WPM. KX2 #80 John KN5L On 08/02/2017 12:49 PM, K9MA wrote: > According to the RBN reports, my KX2 seems to send about 2 wpm faster > than the set speed, like 34 vs 32. Has anyone else noticed this? From w1zk at comcast.net Wed Aug 2 16:08:41 2017 From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:08:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS Elecraft Mini-Modules - SOLD Message-ID: <99bee42e-b183-dbc6-8856-ff97e686f410@comcast.net> My Mini-Mods have been sold. W1zk -- Webmaster USS PUEBLO Veterans Association Life Member American Ex-Prisoners of War Life Member Disabled American Veterans From mike.flowers at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 16:08:41 2017 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:08:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Nifty Guide for the K2 Message-ID: <0EE2DA22-432C-45E4-ACD1-1CF9FC3399C6@gmail.com> Hi Gang, Anyone have a K2 Nifty Guide they'd be willing to sell? Thanks! -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" From w4sc at windstream.net Wed Aug 2 16:16:51 2017 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:16:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Y-Box for sale (NEW) Message-ID: <16F8EE7481E2431BB07CB2501F0B430F@z22z28> Have for sale a Y-BOX that I am not going to use. $125 shipped CONUS. Please respond off list for payment info. de Ben W4SC. From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Aug 2 16:23:07 2017 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 20:23:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity With Filters Message-ID: <45E35498-8F20-43FA-8D49-335945FEBF19@law.du.edu> I am with Wes on this, who states more effectively than I did what I meant in my original post ? that in my experience there is gold all over the place, and the titles of many posts are neither highly specific nor highly sensitive. Sometimes it?s like copying a CW signal that?s well below the noise. Any op can do it; and it?s often worthwhile. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:47:51 -0700 From: Wes Stewart To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters Message-ID: <9cdd4e5a-a693-27e9-34f5-766360b7a18f at triconet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I run my email clients wide open like a direct sampling radio and post-process by eyeball and the [delete] key. I really don't understand all the fuss. Wes N7WS From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 2 17:23:41 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:23:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Nifty Guide for the K2 In-Reply-To: <0EE2DA22-432C-45E4-ACD1-1CF9FC3399C6@gmail.com> References: <0EE2DA22-432C-45E4-ACD1-1CF9FC3399C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e545f4c-1c0c-ed21-515c-a40ff58906a2@embarqmail.com> Mike, Not a K2 Nifty Guide, but there is a booklet which has the K2 button functions and menu items on my webpage www.w3fpr.com. It was prepared by a friend of mine when he was learning how to use the K2 and has released it for use by all. Scroll down near the bottom of the opening page. You can print it and form it into a tri-fold document that will fit into your pocket. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/2/2017 4:08 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: > Hi Gang, > > Anyone have a K2 Nifty Guide they'd be willing to sell? > > Thanks! > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 2 17:38:27 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:38:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Nifty Guide for the K2 In-Reply-To: <0EE2DA22-432C-45E4-ACD1-1CF9FC3399C6@gmail.com> References: <0EE2DA22-432C-45E4-ACD1-1CF9FC3399C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: If anyone finds that K2 document useful, you may want to send an email to Derek Brown WF4I (dereksbrown at att.net) thanking him for his work. He put a substantial amount of effort into creating it. 73, Don W3FPR --------------------------------------------------------- Mike, Not a K2 Nifty Guide, but there is a booklet which has the K2 button functions and menu items on my webpage www.w3fpr.com. It was prepared by a friend of mine when he was learning how to use the K2 and has released it for use by all. Scroll down near the bottom of the opening page. You can print it and form it into a tri-fold document that will fit into your pocket. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/2/2017 4:08 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: > Hi Gang, > > Anyone have a K2 Nifty Guide they'd be willing to sell? > > Thanks! > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Aug 2 17:41:15 2017 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 CW Speed In-Reply-To: <76212289-DDDC-4258-9A94-0362E6D0D2DE@gmail.com> References: <76212289-DDDC-4258-9A94-0362E6D0D2DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure how the RBN measures speed, but it always seems to agree with my computer (N1MM), with and without the Winkeyer. Anyhow, another KX2 owner has measured the dot period, and confirmed that it runs about 2-3 wpm fast. Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Aug 2, 2017, at 1:11 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > How does the RBN measure speed?? One character at a time? Over a period of time? Regardless of the speed set in the keyer dial, character spacing and/or word spacing might matter. > > >> On Aug 2, 2017, at 1:49 PM, K9MA wrote: >> >> According to the RBN reports, my KX2 seems to send about 2 wpm faster than the set speed, like 34 vs 32. Has anyone else noticed this? >> >> Scott K9MA >> >> -- >> Scott K9MA >> > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > From phystad at mac.com Wed Aug 2 18:00:33 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:00:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- For sale, KAT500 Auto Tuner References: <4DDD8294-72C2-4759-AB17-9946881D6727@mac.com> Message-ID: The KAT500 auto-tuner has been sold. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Phil Hystad > Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- For sale, KAT500 Auto Tuner > Date: August 1, 2017 at 9:57:12 PM PDT > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > > Selling KAT500 Auto-tuner, serial number 2277, that I purchased in March (2017). A bargain at $500 including shipping CONUS. Paypal requested. Excellent condition, hardly used and never more than 100-watts power. > > If interested please send message directly to my e-mail address. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 2 18:12:04 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:12:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 news update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000DAAE7-B01A-4408-AE81-063EC96325A9@elecraft.com> Everything is going very well, Jim. There will be an announcement soon. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 2, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > It's been since late May that we've heard anything on KPA1500 status. > > Having sold all my "boots" in anticipation, I'm barefoot going into the > contest season. > > Any news? > > jim ab3cv (credit card on the ramp, one turnin', one burnin') > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From alsopb at comcast.net Wed Aug 2 18:20:11 2017 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 22:20:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO IND Quirk Message-ID: <5982501B.6030203@comcast.net> fw 5.6/2.88 Following manual instructions allows one to put another band in the SUBRX OK. Tuning works fine. However, changing VFO A frequency to another band by front panel or CAT entry also puts that VFO freq in VFO B. In otherwords, VFO B band/freq is not sticky. VFO linking is off. I don't know if this a beta FW quirk or a feature. It definitely isn't what I'd want in a contest. VFO B might be on a band for mults and VFO A changing bands as needed. Am I doing something wrong? This is a 8XXX K3 with new synthesizer boards. 73 de Brian/K3KO From g6glp at strus.co.uk Wed Aug 2 18:27:18 2017 From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 23:27:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 feature In-Reply-To: <911D260A047043C1ABF88A7FA339DF0C@DESKTOPAV61F2H> References: <911D260A047043C1ABF88A7FA339DF0C@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Message-ID: <46876733-1909-91b3-062b-67d31d00193f@strus.co.uk> Hi All, just a thought, I saw a KPA1500 in FHN the other week but forgot to look behind the psu. What would have been nice is a 12v output to power the K3. This would make it all integrated. I feel sure the extra space required would be minimal and rear panel space for connectors ...well there must be plenty of room unless some pesky fan got in the way? 73 de Tony G6GLP --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 2 19:49:52 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:49:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 features/performance comparison chart available Message-ID: Hi all, Our K3S vs. IC7300 comparison chart proved so popular that we?ve also updated our similar chart for the KX3. It will be posted on our website soon. Meanwhile, I?ll be happy to send it on request. Please email me directly. 73, Wayne N6KR From w4sc at windstream.net Wed Aug 2 19:50:55 2017 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:50:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Y-Box for sale (NEW) Message-ID: <82ED2C4805FC44CC912D0DF19E666D9D@z22z28> Y-Box has been sold From jalleninvest at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 20:13:32 2017 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:13:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares Message-ID: I know of one ham who has a tower in one grid square and another tower in a different grid square, both in his back yard. Be careful out there! 73 Jim Allen W6OGC Sent from my iPad From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 2 20:25:57 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:25:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: <439691437.91887.1501699277491@connect.xfinity.com> References: <84603cd1-b121-9c33-cd0e-52334c470ffb@audiosystemsgroup.com> <439691437.91887.1501699277491@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <0f26fc1b-542d-77d7-9e57-a0f4aa944f4f@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/2/2017 11:41 AM, EUGENE GABRY wrote: > The bottom line is, copy what is sent/you hear. Of course. But this discussion is, I believe, about finding grids for QSOs when the grid was not exchanged on the air. I ran into that with nearly all QSOs I submitted for the CQ Field award, because I was going through 20 years of logs and QSLs to find QSOs with stations in nearly 200 Fields. 73, Jim K9YC From ch at murgatroid.com Wed Aug 2 21:06:07 2017 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 18:06:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit Message-ID: I went to bed last night leaving the radio on to decode 6m meteor scatter. This morning I found the LCD blank. The backlight is on, but there are no segments lit. Power cycle does not change anything. All the settings seem reasonable: MN002; MP;MP007; MN003; MP;MP005; MN004; MP;MP003; Elecraft support says to send it in -- possibly a problem solder joint. The current repair backlog is 2-3 weeks. I am leaving for a trip on Monday and I was intended to take the radio with me, so sending it in would be ... inconvenient. I'd be frustrated about losing the radio for 2-3 weeks even without the trip. Has anyone seen this problem and fixed it themselves? -ch 73 de AI6KG From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Aug 2 22:06:05 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:06:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're an hour away from Elecraft. Your options: 1) Drive it down and tell them you'll wait. 2) Drive it down and ask for a loaner. 3) Come by my house in Tucson and I'll loan you one. Wes N7WS 8/2/2017 6:06 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: > I went to bed last night leaving the radio on to decode 6m meteor scatter. > > This morning I found the LCD blank. > > The backlight is on, but there are no segments lit. > > Power cycle does not change anything. > > All the settings seem reasonable: > > MN002; > MP;MP007; > MN003; > MP;MP005; > MN004; > MP;MP003; > > Elecraft support says to send it in -- possibly a problem solder joint. > The current repair backlog is 2-3 weeks. > > I am leaving for a trip on Monday and I was intended to take the radio with > me, so sending it in would be ... inconvenient. I'd be frustrated about > losing the radio for 2-3 weeks even without the trip. > > Has anyone seen this problem and fixed it themselves? > > -ch > 73 de AI6KG From kk5f at earthlink.net Wed Aug 2 22:40:25 2017 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 21:40:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 System Schematics Are Available! Message-ID: <32655596.17475.1501728026309@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I notice that today Elecraft has published a 17-page set of schematics for the KX2 and its accessories. The URL below has been added to the "Manuals and Downloads" page at Elecraft.com: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740324%20KX2%20Schematic%20Files%20RevA.pdf This package, and the device it documents, are beautiful! Thanks, Wayne, and all others who put this document together. My last excuse for not buying a KX2 system has now been demolished! 73, Mike / KK5F From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 2 22:55:34 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:55:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 System Schematics Are Available! In-Reply-To: <31638746.17570.1501728319810@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <31638746.17570.1501728319810@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2901DF8D-095A-48CE-9CB5-B1998DF8BEC3@elecraft.com> Our pleasure, Mike. I?d like to thank our KX2 project manager, Matt, for his hard work in updating the full package. I?d also like to thank the many customers who pestered us into submission :) 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 2, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Mike Morrow kk5f at arrl.net wrote: > > I notice that today Elecraft has published a 17-page set of schematics for the KX2 and its accessories. The URL below has been added to the "Manuals and Downloads" page at Elecraft.com: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740324%20KX2%20Schematic%20Files%20RevA.pdf > > This package, and the device it documents, are beautiful! Thanks, Wayne, and all others who put this document together. > > My last excuse for not buying a KX2 system has now been demolished! > > 73, > Mike / KK5F From kk6ygb at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 22:57:37 2017 From: kk6ygb at gmail.com (Vladimir Rytikov) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 System Schematics Are Available! In-Reply-To: <32655596.17475.1501728026309@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32655596.17475.1501728026309@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: the next step is to offer it as a kit. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: > I notice that today Elecraft has published a 17-page set of schematics for > the KX2 and its accessories. The URL below has been added to the "Manuals > and Downloads" page at Elecraft.com: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740324%20KX2% > 20Schematic%20Files%20RevA.pdf > > This package, and the device it documents, are beautiful! Thanks, Wayne, > and all others who put this document together. > > My last excuse for not buying a KX2 system has now been demolished! > > 73, > Mike / KK5F > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk6ygb at gmail.com > From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 3 01:09:00 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:09:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <456ED460-678E-472E-9E01-18DCCC0FB50B@elecraft.com> Better yet, email support at elecraft.com Our tech support team is here ti help! 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 2, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > You're an hour away from Elecraft. Your options: > > 1) Drive it down and tell them you'll wait. > > 2) Drive it down and ask for a loaner. > > 3) Come by my house in Tucson and I'll loan you one. > > Wes N7WS > > 8/2/2017 6:06 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: >> I went to bed last night leaving the radio on to decode 6m meteor scatter. >> >> This morning I found the LCD blank. >> >> The backlight is on, but there are no segments lit. >> >> Power cycle does not change anything. >> >> All the settings seem reasonable: >> >> MN002; >> MP;MP007; >> MN003; >> MP;MP005; >> MN004; >> MP;MP003; >> >> Elecraft support says to send it in -- possibly a problem solder joint. >> The current repair backlog is 2-3 weeks. >> >> I am leaving for a trip on Monday and I was intended to take the radio with >> me, so sending it in would be ... inconvenient. I'd be frustrated about >> losing the radio for 2-3 weeks even without the trip. >> >> Has anyone seen this problem and fixed it themselves? >> >> -ch >> 73 de AI6KG > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From ch at murgatroid.com Thu Aug 3 01:22:48 2017 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit In-Reply-To: <456ED460-678E-472E-9E01-18DCCC0FB50B@elecraft.com> References: <456ED460-678E-472E-9E01-18DCCC0FB50B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Eric, Thanks for the response. As I mentioned in my positing, I'm on "the line" with the support people and have an active thread. They want my rig for 2-3 weeks, which is not compatible with my travel plans, so I'm looking for other ways to fix the problem. -christopher. 73 de AI6KG On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:09 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > Better yet, email support at elecraft.com > > Our tech support team is here ti help! > > 73, > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > > > On Aug 2, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > > > You're an hour away from Elecraft. Your options: > > > > 1) Drive it down and tell them you'll wait. > > > > 2) Drive it down and ask for a loaner. > > > > 3) Come by my house in Tucson and I'll loan you one. > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > 8/2/2017 6:06 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: > >> I went to bed last night leaving the radio on to decode 6m meteor > scatter. > >> > >> This morning I found the LCD blank. > >> > >> The backlight is on, but there are no segments lit. > >> > >> Power cycle does not change anything. > >> > >> All the settings seem reasonable: > >> > >> MN002; > >> MP;MP007; > >> MN003; > >> MP;MP005; > >> MN004; > >> MP;MP003; > >> > >> Elecraft support says to send it in -- possibly a problem solder joint. > >> The current repair backlog is 2-3 weeks. > >> > >> I am leaving for a trip on Monday and I was intended to take the radio > with > >> me, so sending it in would be ... inconvenient. I'd be frustrated > about > >> losing the radio for 2-3 weeks even without the trip. > >> > >> Has anyone seen this problem and fixed it themselves? > >> > >> -ch > >> 73 de AI6KG > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Aug 3 11:39:21 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:39:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB Message-ID: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm running WSJT-X on FT8/JT65 just as of yesterday. Oddly, it seems to set 6M on DATA A in LSB. How might I fix that back to USB? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ae4rm at ae4rm.com Thu Aug 3 11:53:54 2017 From: ae4rm at ae4rm.com (Roger Meadows) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:53:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Signal While Transmitting Message-ID: When I'm sending code, I noticed that there is a signal showing up just to the right of the frequency I'm on. It goes away when I'm done transmitting. Here is an example ... https://youtu.be/zQ_VWCmKvOw Thanks for your input. 73, Roger Meadows AE4RM From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 3 11:56:24 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ALT (Hold Mode down) 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/3/2017 11:39 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > I'm running WSJT-X on FT8/JT65 just as of yesterday. Oddly, it seems to set > 6M on DATA A in LSB. How might I fix that back to USB? > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From rthorne at rthorne.net Thu Aug 3 12:31:14 2017 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:31:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Signal While Transmitting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've noticed it as well on a KX3/PX3 new to me (ie bought used) combo. If you get an answer let me know. Rich - N5ZC On 8/3/2017 10:53 AM, Roger Meadows wrote: > When I'm sending code, I noticed that there is a signal showing up just to > the right of the frequency I'm on. It goes away when I'm done > transmitting. Here is an example ... https://youtu.be/zQ_VWCmKvOw > > Thanks for your input. > > 73, > Roger Meadows > AE4RM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 3 12:46:14 2017 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 17:46:14 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Signal While Transmitting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CE39721-E6DF-43F0-887D-AB0561ABC5BF@yahoo.co.uk> I don't have my PX3 beside me now, but I recall that the PX3 acts differently between using an external keyer and the internal keyer of the KX3, one freezes the PX3 all the time you are transmitting in semi break in, the other doesn't. The other thing that sometimes causes spurious signals to appear on the PX3 is if the PX3 NB level is too high (not the KX3 NB level). 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 3 Aug 2017, at 16:53, Roger Meadows wrote: > > When I'm sending code, I noticed that there is a signal showing up just to > the right of the frequency I'm on. It goes away when I'm done > transmitting. Here is an example ... https://youtu.be/zQ_VWCmKvOw > > Thanks for your input. > > 73, > Roger Meadows > AE4RM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From n1ho at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 12:26:32 2017 From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 16:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1492156669.1165005.1501777592576@mail.yahoo.com> You may want to consider posting a message in the WSJT Yahoo! Groupbecause there have been a number of issues with WSJT-X 1.8-rc1 andthe Hamlib library which the development group has been plowing through.I was able to get a special build to test, which avoids the crash that I encounteredwhen first starting it on my K3, but I gather that they are seeing a lot of othersmall problems, so I suspect they'd like to swat your bug while they're at it. I hadn't noticed that particular problem with my station, but I'll try to take a look for it,perhaps later this afternoon. That's not to say that perhaps there's a parameteron your rig (or a setting in your WSJT-X Configuration) that needs to be changed, however. 73, Brandy, N1HO From: MaverickNH I'm running WSJT-X on FT8/JT65 just as of yesterday. Oddly, it seems to set 6M on DATA A in LSB. How might I fix that back to USB? From ae4rm at ae4rm.com Thu Aug 3 12:54:27 2017 From: ae4rm at ae4rm.com (Roger Meadows) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:54:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Signal While Transmitting In-Reply-To: <9CE39721-E6DF-43F0-887D-AB0561ABC5BF@yahoo.co.uk> References: <9CE39721-E6DF-43F0-887D-AB0561ABC5BF@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Noise blankers are off and it is an external key. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:46 PM David Anderson wrote: > I don't have my PX3 beside me now, but I recall that the PX3 acts > differently between using an external keyer and the internal keyer of the > KX3, one freezes the PX3 all the time you are transmitting in semi break > in, the other doesn't. > > The other thing that sometimes causes spurious signals to appear on the > PX3 is if the PX3 NB level is too high (not the KX3 NB level). > > 73 from David GM4JJJ > > > On 3 Aug 2017, at 16:53, Roger Meadows wrote: > > > > When I'm sending code, I noticed that there is a signal showing up just > to > > the right of the frequency I'm on. It goes away when I'm done > > transmitting. Here is an example ... https://youtu.be/zQ_VWCmKvOw > > > > Thanks for your input. > > > > 73, > > Roger Meadows > > AE4RM > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > > From ch at murgatroid.com Thu Aug 3 13:06:27 2017 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:06:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit In-Reply-To: References: <456ED460-678E-472E-9E01-18DCCC0FB50B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Gary AB7MY from Elecraft suggested that it was likely a shorted C102. Indeed it was. Thanks, Gary! 73 de AI6KG On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Thanks for the response. > > As I mentioned in my positing, I'm on "the line" with the support people > and have an active thread. > > They want my rig for 2-3 weeks, which is not compatible with my travel > plans, so I'm looking for other ways to fix the problem. > > -christopher. > 73 de AI6KG > > > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:09 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < > eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > >> Better yet, email support at elecraft.com >> >> Our tech support team is here ti help! >> >> 73, >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> >> >> >> > On Aug 2, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> > >> > You're an hour away from Elecraft. Your options: >> > >> > 1) Drive it down and tell them you'll wait. >> > >> > 2) Drive it down and ask for a loaner. >> > >> > 3) Come by my house in Tucson and I'll loan you one. >> > >> > Wes N7WS >> > >> > 8/2/2017 6:06 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: >> >> I went to bed last night leaving the radio on to decode 6m meteor >> scatter. >> >> >> >> This morning I found the LCD blank. >> >> >> >> The backlight is on, but there are no segments lit. >> >> >> >> Power cycle does not change anything. >> >> >> >> All the settings seem reasonable: >> >> >> >> MN002; >> >> MP;MP007; >> >> MN003; >> >> MP;MP005; >> >> MN004; >> >> MP;MP003; >> >> >> >> Elecraft support says to send it in -- possibly a problem solder joint. >> >> The current repair backlog is 2-3 weeks. >> >> >> >> I am leaving for a trip on Monday and I was intended to take the radio >> with >> >> me, so sending it in would be ... inconvenient. I'd be frustrated >> about >> >> losing the radio for 2-3 weeks even without the trip. >> >> >> >> Has anyone seen this problem and fixed it themselves? >> >> >> >> -ch >> >> 73 de AI6KG >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com >> > > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 3 13:07:58 2017 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:07:58 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Signal While Transmitting In-Reply-To: References: <9CE39721-E6DF-43F0-887D-AB0561ABC5BF@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <412ABB07-605C-4DA3-B8C2-DBCB43ED8887@yahoo.co.uk> Try the internal keyer, just as a test, I think I recall that then the PX3 may freeze totally during semi break in keying. (I never used full break in because I was using transverters with sequenced relays). I recall being confused as to what was different one day when I saw what you are seeing and it was because I had changed from external to internal keyer or vice versa. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 3 Aug 2017, at 17:54, Roger Meadows wrote: > > Noise blankers are off and it is an external key. >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:46 PM David Anderson wrote: >> I don't have my PX3 beside me now, but I recall that the PX3 acts differently between using an external keyer and the internal keyer of the KX3, one freezes the PX3 all the time you are transmitting in semi break in, the other doesn't. >> >> The other thing that sometimes causes spurious signals to appear on the PX3 is if the PX3 NB level is too high (not the KX3 NB level). >> >> 73 from David GM4JJJ >> >> > On 3 Aug 2017, at 16:53, Roger Meadows wrote: >> > >> > When I'm sending code, I noticed that there is a signal showing up just to >> > the right of the frequency I'm on. It goes away when I'm done >> > transmitting. Here is an example ... https://youtu.be/zQ_VWCmKvOw >> > >> > Thanks for your input. >> > >> > 73, >> > Roger Meadows >> > AE4RM >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk >> From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 3 13:14:54 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:14:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit In-Reply-To: References: <456ED460-678E-472E-9E01-18DCCC0FB50B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Great news! I'm glad Gary was able to nail it for you. I apologize for missing your note about already talking to Tech support. Sometimes email overload takes its toll on this end too! I personally receive and respond to daily emails many times the volume seen on this list and as a result read too fast from time to time. I'm also learning that typing replies to list postings on my phone with my reading glasses off is a great way to create interesting typos.. 73, Eric elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S > On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Christopher Hoover wrote: > > Gary AB7MY from Elecraft suggested that it was likely a shorted C102. Indeed it was. Thanks, Gary! 73 de AI6KG > > >> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: >> Hi Eric, >> >> Thanks for the response. >> >> As I mentioned in my positing, I'm on "the line" with the support people and have an active thread. >> From pincon at erols.com Thu Aug 3 13:15:10 2017 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:15:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit In-Reply-To: References: <456ED460-678E-472E-9E01-18DCCC0FB50B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <005b01d30c7c$13804dd0$3a80e970$@erols.com> One thing (among MANY) that impresses me about Elecraft's service is that they'll trust an owner to change a cap without requiring a lengthy and expensive return process. Not saying this is always the case, since some problems DO require a return. That said, it's a LOT cheaper to send a K3 in than a 70+ pound "monster" radio. Oh, and pass me some more of that Kool-Aid too. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Hoover Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 1:06 PM To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Cc: Wes Stewart ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit Gary AB7MY from Elecraft suggested that it was likely a shorted C102. Indeed it was. Thanks, Gary! 73 de AI6KG On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: From dashiellplanning at outlook.com Thu Aug 3 13:28:44 2017 From: dashiellplanning at outlook.com (Eugene Dashiell) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 17:28:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried this and it is not quite accurate in my situation. Try it with my info, and you can see the difference. Gene KH6XJ 96734 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:46:23 -0400 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares Message-ID: <31630189-ee52-039b-7c92-97b948bb0bd6 at subich.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed A third excellent tool for determining grid square is the tool at http://www.levinecentral.com/ham/grid_square.php Amateur Radio Ham Radio Maidenhead Grid Square Locator Map www.levinecentral.com Amateur Radio Ham Radio Maidenhead Grid Locator in Google Maps From ch at murgatroid.com Thu Aug 3 13:36:28 2017 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:36:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S: LCD backlight is on, but no segments are lit In-Reply-To: References: <456ED460-678E-472E-9E01-18DCCC0FB50B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Replacement part is: C37,102 10 uF,10V,20%,CERM,0805,SMD E530223 Panasonic ECJ-2FF1A106Z Digikey PCC2233TR-ND PCC2233CT-ND This is Y5V dielectric. It looks easy to get a 16V part in 0805 (and X5R at that). I've bodged in a 10u 10V Y5V 1206 for the time being. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Hoover wrote: > Gary AB7MY from Elecraft suggested that it was likely a shorted C102. > Indeed it was. Thanks, Gary! 73 de AI6KG > > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Christopher Hoover > wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Thanks for the response. >> >> As I mentioned in my positing, I'm on "the line" with the support people >> and have an active thread. >> >> They want my rig for 2-3 weeks, which is not compatible with my travel >> plans, so I'm looking for other ways to fix the problem. >> >> -christopher. >> 73 de AI6KG >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:09 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < >> eric at elecraft.com> wrote: >> >>> Better yet, email support at elecraft.com >>> >>> Our tech support team is here ti help! >>> >>> 73, >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> _..._ >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Aug 2, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> > >>> > You're an hour away from Elecraft. Your options: >>> > >>> > 1) Drive it down and tell them you'll wait. >>> > >>> > 2) Drive it down and ask for a loaner. >>> > >>> > 3) Come by my house in Tucson and I'll loan you one. >>> > >>> > Wes N7WS >>> > >>> > 8/2/2017 6:06 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote: >>> >> I went to bed last night leaving the radio on to decode 6m meteor >>> scatter. >>> >> >>> >> This morning I found the LCD blank. >>> >> >>> >> The backlight is on, but there are no segments lit. >>> >> >>> >> Power cycle does not change anything. >>> >> >>> >> All the settings seem reasonable: >>> >> >>> >> MN002; >>> >> MP;MP007; >>> >> MN003; >>> >> MP;MP005; >>> >> MN004; >>> >> MP;MP003; >>> >> >>> >> Elecraft support says to send it in -- possibly a problem solder >>> joint. >>> >> The current repair backlog is 2-3 weeks. >>> >> >>> >> I am leaving for a trip on Monday and I was intended to take the >>> radio with >>> >> me, so sending it in would be ... inconvenient. I'd be frustrated >>> about >>> >> losing the radio for 2-3 weeks even without the trip. >>> >> >>> >> Has anyone seen this problem and fixed it themselves? >>> >> >>> >> -ch >>> >> 73 de AI6KG >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________________________ >>> > Elecraft mailing list >>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > >>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com >>> >> >> > From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 13:40:05 2017 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:40:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Replacement ear pads for headset Message-ID: When I saw the email thread about replacement ear pads for the Yamaha CM-500 headset, I decided to see if they were available for my Koss SB45 Headset. Here is the reply from Koss: --- Thank you for contacting Koss Stereophone! Yes, replacement ear cushions are available for your SB45 headphones. They are $5 per pair which also includes shipping to US and Canadian addresses. If you would like to order the ear cushions, please contact us at 1-800-872-5677 x771. We are available Monday through Friday, 8:30am to 4:30pm central time. Koss Customer Service --- I have both the CM-500 and SB45, but I like the SB45 better because it has a padded headband, which is easier on my bald head than the Yamaha coarse webbing. Both headsets work great with the K3 on TX and RX, and are comfortable for long-term contest use. The SB45 is a lot cheaper too: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C%7Bcreative%7D%2C%7Bkeyword%7D&gclid=CjwKCAjwk4vMBRAgEiwA4ftLs902BIJSanAv0EZ96k2J4RrQ0dyiks6urxZ7Klc2UJq6ZaJRKD1C7RoCUE8QAvD_BwE&is=REG&m=Y&sku=1066287 Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Big Bear Lake, CA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 3 14:46:39 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:46:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: <1492156669.1165005.1501777592576@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> <1492156669.1165005.1501777592576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FWIW, I and many others have been using the posted compiled version of WSJT-X 1.8-rc1 from the official WSJT-X website with a K3, and without problems. I'm not using a lot of "bells and whistles" -- I'm using a vintage K3 with an outboard USB to serial converter from computer to rig, a Tascam US100 USB audio interface for the computer, and VOX with the K3 in DATA A mode. I'm doing almost no rig control -- all the USB to serial interface is doing is read and control frequency. On the tab of select the K3 under Rig, set the serial port that the computer has assigned to your USB to serial converter, set PTT method to VOX, set Mode to None, and set Split Operation to None. The Tascam US100 is simply a very good vintage USB to analog stereo audio I/O designed for home semi-pro recording studios. There's lots of comparable stuff that works. It ONLY handles audio, no control functions. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/3/2017 9:26 AM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: > You may want to consider posting a message in the WSJT Yahoo! Groupbecause there have been a number of issues with WSJT-X 1.8-rc1 andthe Hamlib library which the development group has been plowing through. From w7aqk at cox.net Thu Aug 3 15:03:18 2017 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 12:03:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares Message-ID: Jim and All, Back in the late 50's, a few of us living in Albuquerque drove up to the 4 corners monument northwest of Farmington, NM. It's the only place in the U.S. where four states come to one common point. We set our antenna right on top of the monument, so we were in 4 states at the same time--NM, AZ, UT, and CO, and 3 call areas--5, 7, and 0! Well, that's what we thought we were doing! Not long ago I read a piece that said the monument may be in the wrong place!!! Apparently it was miscalculated by some amount, but not nearly as much as originally claimed. Also, once the marker was placed, and accepted by relevant parties as being official, it was official, regardless of any computational error. Therefore, I guess we were O.K. Back then the marker wasn't much to look at--just a small pedestal. Now I think it is a bit more elaborate. I also think the Park Service frowns on doing what we did!! Hi. Dave W7AQK ---------------------------------------------------------------- I know of one ham who has a tower in one grid square and another tower in a different grid square, both in his back yard. Be careful out there! 73 Jim Allen W6OGC From n1ho at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:08:25 2017 From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> <1492156669.1165005.1501777592576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54482954.1295722.1501787305203@mail.yahoo.com> To clarify my situation, I'm running a K3 with the new KIO3B with the?integral sound and USB interface, and it was running properly using WJST-X V1.7. The Hamlib library problem that I encountered also affects certain Kenwood users as well, and the development team is well aware of the issues. I have used an external sound interface (Asus Xonar U5) in the past, but opted to simplify things when the KIO3B became available. 73, Brandy N1HO From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB FWIW, I and many others have been using the posted compiled version of WSJT-X 1.8-rc1 from the official WSJT-X website with a K3, and without problems. I'm not using a lot of "bells and whistles" -- I'm using a vintage K3 with an outboard USB to serial converter from computer to rig, a Tascam US100 USB audio interface for the computer, and VOX with the K3 in DATA A mode. I'm doing almost no rig control -- all the USB to serial interface is doing is read and control frequency.? On the tab of ? select the K3 under Rig, set the serial port that the computer has assigned to your USB to serial converter, set PTT method to VOX, set Mode to None, and set Split Operation to None. The Tascam US100 is simply a very good vintage USB to analog stereo audio I/O designed for home semi-pro recording studios. There's lots of comparable stuff that works. It ONLY handles audio, no control functions. 73, Jim K9YC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 3 15:52:15 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 12:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: <54482954.1295722.1501787305203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> <1492156669.1165005.1501777592576@mail.yahoo.com> <54482954.1295722.1501787305203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have one of each, a K3S with USB and a K3 without. When I was having FT8 problems (not sure they're over) I set up both radios and "worked myself". The K3 was setup exactly as Jim describes, down to the same sound card, and the K3s used the internal USB. It's much easier to set proper TX audio levels with the external card, but that's a continuing gripe, not to be expanded on here. I too use VOX but let the program set Split and Mode. (There is a timing issue doing this; something I mentioned in another thread.) So after seeing that someone else claimed to be using PTT via USB instead of VOX I attempted to use it. I wound up getting hamlib errors and since I'm not so invested in this mode anyway, went back to VOX, which is what I use for RTTY and PSK anyway. Wes N7WS On 8/3/2017 12:08 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: > To clarify my situation, I'm running a K3 with the new KIO3B with the integral sound and USB interface, and it was running properly using WJST-X V1.7. The Hamlib library problem that I encountered also affects certain Kenwood users as well, and the development team is well aware of the issues. I have used an external sound interface (Asus Xonar U5) in the past, but opted to simplify things when the KIO3B became available. > 73, Brandy N1HO > > From: Jim Brown > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB > > FWIW, I and many others have been using the posted compiled version of > WSJT-X 1.8-rc1 from the official WSJT-X website with a K3, and without > problems. I'm not using a lot of "bells and whistles" -- I'm using a > vintage K3 with an outboard USB to serial converter from computer to > rig, a Tascam US100 USB audio interface for the computer, and VOX with > the K3 in DATA A mode. I'm doing almost no rig control -- all the USB to > serial interface is doing is read and control frequency. On the > tab of select the K3 under Rig, set the serial port that the > computer has assigned to your USB to serial converter, set PTT method to > VOX, set Mode to None, and set Split Operation to None. > > The Tascam US100 is simply a very good vintage USB to analog stereo > audio I/O designed for home semi-pro recording studios. There's lots of > comparable stuff that works. It ONLY handles audio, no control functions. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 3 16:03:19 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:03:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sort of like NIST saying WWV is on exactly 10 MHz. It is, because they say so. I live a few hundred meters from a national park and receive mail sometimes addressed to "Park Neighbor." I have dealt with park rangers and administrators for a quarter century. Many of them get quite perturbed when ordinary taxpayers actually want to use the Park Service's parks. Wes N7WS On 8/3/2017 12:03 PM, w7aqk wrote: > ... Also, once the marker was placed, and accepted by relevant parties as > being official, it was official, regardless of any computational error. > Therefore, I guess we were O.K. Back then the marker wasn't much to look > at--just a small pedestal. Now I think it is a bit more elaborate. I also > think the Park Service frowns on doing what we did!! Hi. > > Dave W7AQK From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Aug 3 16:22:46 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:22:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2126614339.20265873.1501791760518.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Hi Joe, I see that changes TX A DATA to TX A DATA REV. I just put up a Omniangle OA-50 6m horizontal loop antenna and started running WSJT-X 1.80rc1 FT8 & JT65 on their respective 50.313 and 50.276 and others are telling me I'm transmitting LSB instead of USB on TX A DATA. I decode other bands fine (20m, 30m, 40m, 80m) when I see TX A DATA so assume that is USB. I'm not sure what's happening on 6m. Not I'm using Ham Radio Deluxe in my WSJT-X Setting:Radio, so maybe there's an issue there? Bret/N4SRN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft]" To: "MaverickNH" Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 11:57:58 AM Subject: Re: [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB ALT (Hold Mode down) 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/3/2017 11:39 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > I'm running WSJT-X on FT8/JT65 just as of yesterday. Oddly, it seems to set > 6M on DATA A in LSB. How might I fix that back to USB? > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: [hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: [hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633034.html To unsubscribe from [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB, click here . NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633051.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Thu Aug 3 16:25:30 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:25:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior Message-ID: Hi, I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th bar of ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I turn things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a bit, the ALC starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... That is to say, the ALC just goes to zero, no visible ALC, and then teh ALC returns to 4 or 5 bars. This happens across a one or two second time span. The ALC is at zero more than it is above zero most of the time. If I run it to five bars, with the fifth fluctuating, all is well, there seems to be some sort of threshold at the 5th bar of ALC... I have tried a number of things to try and triage this... For instance: 1. Running in "Transmit Test" mode to eliminate RF feedback. 2. Upping the audio level feeding the K3. 3. Reducing the audio level feeding the K3. 4. Upping the line in on the K3 setup. 5. Reducing the Line in on the K3 setup. 6. Adjustment of the WSJT-X output level control, under conditions 2 through 5 above. In all cases the above described behavior of the ALC dropping to zero does not change in any way if I am at 5 or less bars. That is to say, if I take the ALC level to 4 bars, it starts dropping to zero more than not... Does anyone have any suggestions as to what this might be? A a bit of history-- the computer and sound card were used on an Icom 756 ProIII, and there was never an issue like this... The ALC was adjustable from zero to too much on the Icom, with no dropouts... -- 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 3 16:40:11 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 16:40:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: <2126614339.20265873.1501791760518.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> <2126614339.20265873.1501791760518.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2892b4da-dac3-1455-dc0e-bbae9606347a@subich.com> > others are telling me I'm transmitting LSB instead of USB on TX A > DATA. Are you sure you are using DATA A and not AFSK A? Press/hold AFX (Data Mode) and confirm the VFO B display says DATA A. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/3/2017 4:22 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I see that changes TX A DATA to TX A DATA REV. I just put up a Omniangle OA-50 6m horizontal loop antenna and started running WSJT-X 1.80rc1 FT8 & JT65 on their respective 50.313 and 50.276 and others are telling me I'm transmitting LSB instead of USB on TX A DATA. I decode other bands fine (20m, 30m, 40m, 80m) when I see TX A DATA so assume that is USB. I'm not sure what's happening on 6m. > > Not I'm using Ham Radio Deluxe in my WSJT-X Setting:Radio, so maybe there's an issue there? > > Bret/N4SRN > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft]" > To: "MaverickNH" > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 11:57:58 AM > Subject: Re: [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB > > > ALT (Hold Mode down) > > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 8/3/2017 11:39 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > >> I'm running WSJT-X on FT8/JT65 just as of yesterday. Oddly, it seems to set >> 6M on DATA A in LSB. How might I fix that back to USB? >> >> Bret/N4SRN >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: [hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: [hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633034.html > To unsubscribe from [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB, click here . > NAML > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633051.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Aug 3 17:07:40 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:07:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: <2892b4da-dac3-1455-dc0e-bbae9606347a@subich.com> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> <2126614339.20265873.1501791760518.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <2892b4da-dac3-1455-dc0e-bbae9606347a@subich.com> Message-ID: <1141690423.20267676.1501794447921.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I stopped using Ham Radio Deluxe as my WSJT-X Radio setting and just selected Elecraft K3 and all seems well now. Might be something about that... I use that when running remote using Splashtop. BRET ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft]" To: "MaverickNH" Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:41:41 PM Subject: Re: [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB > others are telling me I'm transmitting LSB instead of USB on TX A > DATA. Are you sure you are using DATA A and not AFSK A? Press/hold AFX (Data Mode) and confirm the VFO B display says DATA A. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/3/2017 4:22 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I see that changes TX A DATA to TX A DATA REV. I just put up a Omniangle OA-50 6m horizontal loop antenna and started running WSJT-X 1.80rc1 FT8 & JT65 on their respective 50.313 and 50.276 and others are telling me I'm transmitting LSB instead of USB on TX A DATA. I decode other bands fine (20m, 30m, 40m, 80m) when I see TX A DATA so assume that is USB. I'm not sure what's happening on 6m. > > Not I'm using Ham Radio Deluxe in my WSJT-X Setting:Radio, so maybe there's an issue there? > > Bret/N4SRN > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft]" < [hidden email] > > To: "MaverickNH" < [hidden email] > > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 11:57:58 AM > Subject: Re: [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB > > > ALT (Hold Mode down) > > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 8/3/2017 11:39 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > >> I'm running WSJT-X on FT8/JT65 just as of yesterday. Oddly, it seems to set >> 6M on DATA A in LSB. How might I fix that back to USB? >> >> Bret/N4SRN >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: [hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: [hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633034.html > To unsubscribe from [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB, click here . > NAML > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633051.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: [hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: [hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633053.html To unsubscribe from [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB, click here . NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-K-1-80rc-6m-DATA-A-on-LSB-tp7633032p7633054.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 3 17:08:11 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:08:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-K 1.80rc 6m DATA A on LSB In-Reply-To: <54482954.1295722.1501787305203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> <1492156669.1165005.1501777592576@mail.yahoo.com> <54482954.1295722.1501787305203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09ff7403-4fd2-af47-ff9e-6ea13d3a34c4@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/3/2017 12:08 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO wrote: > I have used an external sound interface (Asus Xonar U5) in the past, > but opted to simplify things when the KIO3B became available. Probably a good move. A good test for the audio interface is that if you regularly see JT65 decodes with indicated levels below -25 dB and some around -29, the interface is good enough. 73, Jim K9YC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 3 17:14:14 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:14:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90fe385c-40a7-c055-916e-6b056fd6ffcd@triconet.org> Welcome to the club. I don't know what it is, but it is. See my post "Soundcard levels" from July 16. Maybe with your complaint there will be a response. BTW, TX Test doesn't guarantee zero output. I have another thread about that. Crickets. Wes N7WS On 8/3/2017 1:25 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th bar of > ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. > > I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I turn > things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a bit, the ALC > starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... > > That is to say, the ALC just goes to zero, no visible ALC, and then teh ALC > returns to 4 or 5 bars. This happens across a one or two second time span. > > The ALC is at zero more than it is above zero most of the time. If I run it to > five bars, with the fifth fluctuating, all is well, there seems to be some > sort of threshold at the 5th bar of ALC... > > I have tried a number of things to try and triage this... For instance: > > 1. Running in "Transmit Test" mode to eliminate RF feedback. > 2. Upping the audio level feeding the K3. > 3. Reducing the audio level feeding the K3. > 4. Upping the line in on the K3 setup. > 5. Reducing the Line in on the K3 setup. > 6. Adjustment of the WSJT-X output level control, under conditions 2 through > 5 above. > > In all cases the above described behavior of the ALC dropping to zero does not > change in any way if I am at 5 or less bars. That is to say, if I take the > ALC level to 4 bars, it starts dropping to zero more than not... > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what this might be? > > A a bit of history-- the computer and sound card were used on an Icom 756 > ProIII, and there was never an issue like this... The ALC was adjustable from > zero to too much on the Icom, with no dropouts... > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 3 17:17:57 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 17:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c485442-9a1f-313d-6170-48e7414f55ce@embarqmail.com> Dave, Set the K3 LINE IN gain for a midrange value. It has more resolution there than at either a high or a low setting. Then adjust the soundcard to obtain about 4 bars on the ALC meter and "fine tune" that level with the LINE IN gain to get the 5th bar to flicker. Note that this is the NO ALC point for the K3 - ALC action does not start until the 5th bar. The first 4 bars are there to help you adjust the audio. Too much audio from the sondcard can cause at least part of what you are describing. Are you using the 'speaker' output instead of LINE OUT on the soundcard. If speaker is your only choice see if you can set it for headphones or amplified speakers. I had a similar problem at Field Day this year - we were going to use the logging computer for digital modes, but could not get the soundcard in that computer to work - we pressed my laptop into service, but it has no line in, and I did not bring an external soundcard along - had to use one that another person had. The output on that soundcard was so high, I had trouble adjusting levels. We finally put an attenuator in the soundcard output to tame things. It was still too much audio, but we managed with 4 bars of ALC, but if we tried to get the 5th bar to flicker, it would light all the way and sometimes the 6th bar would also light up. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/3/2017 4:25 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th bar > of ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. > > I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I > turn things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a > bit, the ALC starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... > From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Aug 3 17:46:33 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 17:46:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10CF40CA-58F8-484B-9140-84D06688B6FD@widomaker.com> Lower the drive level from windows. This will give you more control of the LinIn level on the K3(S). Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 3, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > > Hi, > > I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th bar of ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. > > I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I turn things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a bit, the ALC starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... > > That is to say, the ALC just goes to zero, no visible ALC, and then teh ALC returns to 4 or 5 bars. This happens across a one or two second time span. > > The ALC is at zero more than it is above zero most of the time. If I run it to five bars, with the fifth fluctuating, all is well, there seems to be some sort of threshold at the 5th bar of ALC... > > I have tried a number of things to try and triage this... For instance: > > 1. Running in "Transmit Test" mode to eliminate RF feedback. > 2. Upping the audio level feeding the K3. > 3. Reducing the audio level feeding the K3. > 4. Upping the line in on the K3 setup. > 5. Reducing the Line in on the K3 setup. > 6. Adjustment of the WSJT-X output level control, under conditions 2 through 5 above. > > In all cases the above described behavior of the ALC dropping to zero does not change in any way if I am at 5 or less bars. That is to say, if I take the ALC level to 4 bars, it starts dropping to zero more than not... > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what this might be? > > A a bit of history-- the computer and sound card were used on an Icom 756 ProIII, and there was never an issue like this... The ALC was adjustable from zero to too much on the Icom, with no dropouts... > > -- > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From mspmail2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 17:51:31 2017 From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:51:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 delta-f led stays on? question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey my first question for the list if anyone can help a new KX3 owner (serial #9852)... Have been slowly learning from the manual, and this is the first issue I can't seem to figure out. Apparently I did something to cause the Delta-f led to remain on. I am not in Split mode and there is no rit-xit in effect. What else causes it to stay illuminated? This is my first elecraft radio... and I am back on the air after many years off so I am excited to see that change! 73 Mike AB7RU From mspmail2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 17:57:00 2017 From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Delta-f issue solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay I really feel dumb, I am using this outside and the way the daylight was reflecting or something gave the appearance it was sort of lit up. Sorry for that! This rig is a lot of fun! Even though the bands sound sorta quiet today... Mike ab7ru From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 3 18:25:53 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 17:25:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X 1.80-rc1 In-Reply-To: <54482954.1295722.1501787305203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1501774761043-7633032.post@n2.nabble.com> <1492156669.1165005.1501777592576@mail.yahoo.com> <54482954.1295722.1501787305203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For those having issues, me included for a short period, I discovered the following information. After doing so, my issues were all resolved. From the WSJT-X Local User Guide: Install/WSJT-X/into its own directory, for example|C:\WSJTX|or|C:\WSJT\WSJTX|, rather than the conventional location|C:\Program Files\WSJTX|. Also I do not run WSJT-X from within another program. There's many features which I find work very nicely. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 3 18:45:24 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 17:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <90fe385c-40a7-c055-916e-6b056fd6ffcd@triconet.org> References: <90fe385c-40a7-c055-916e-6b056fd6ffcd@triconet.org> Message-ID: There's actually 3 places in the system where the audio level for transmit must be adjusted correctly. (a) SPEAKER - Just left click on the speaker ICON and set the level for about 35%. Or right click on the speaker ICON, then select Playback devices. Click on the one being used, normally Speakers USB Audio CODEC, select this and then select Properties and then Levels. You can adjust the level from here. Again about -18 dB although your level may vary. (b) The PWR slider on WSJT-X -- I find this to run about 50% to 75% however {see C below} (c) The Line Gain in the K3S. I use a value of 30. All three of the above will affect the ALC number of bars. If any of the values are at either the extreme minimum or extreme maximum values, you'll likely have somewhat a challenge in getting the levels correct and stable. Also be advised if you should use the computer of other reasons which require support of the audio system, you may find that the levels have changed. No fault of the radio, no fault of the WSJT-X application but just the way Windows works. Just remember the approximate values and where to change and set them. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/3/2017 4:14 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Welcome to the club. I don't know what it is, but it is. > > See my post "Soundcard levels" from July 16. > > Maybe with your complaint there will be a response. > > BTW, TX Test doesn't guarantee zero output. I have another thread > about that. > > Crickets. > > Wes N7WS > > From k6um.elist at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 19:00:48 2017 From: k6um.elist at gmail.com (Steve Lund) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 16:00:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave, I have exactly the same problem. For me it does not occur with RTTY. That seems to be solid. JT65 and FT8 really show the problem. When the problem occurs I can often make a RTTY transmission and suddenly the ALC shows for FT8/JT65. I have multiple soundcards in my computer and in theory the windows 'sounds' are going to another soundcard. But, it has always seemed like the problem occurs after I've gone on the internet and a website has sound on it. I'm going to try K4TAX's solution. When 'working' my K3 Line In is 4 or so; WSJT-X is 70% and Speaker is 100%. Let us know if you get a stable solution. Steve, K6UM On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th bar > of ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. > > I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I turn > things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a bit, the > ALC starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... > > That is to say, the ALC just goes to zero, no visible ALC, and then teh > ALC returns to 4 or 5 bars. This happens across a one or two second time > span. > > The ALC is at zero more than it is above zero most of the time. If I run > it to five bars, with the fifth fluctuating, all is well, there seems to be > some sort of threshold at the 5th bar of ALC... > > I have tried a number of things to try and triage this... For instance: > > 1. Running in "Transmit Test" mode to eliminate RF feedback. > 2. Upping the audio level feeding the K3. > 3. Reducing the audio level feeding the K3. > 4. Upping the line in on the K3 setup. > 5. Reducing the Line in on the K3 setup. > 6. Adjustment of the WSJT-X output level control, under conditions 2 > through 5 above. > > In all cases the above described behavior of the ALC dropping to zero does > not change in any way if I am at 5 or less bars. That is to say, if I take > the ALC level to 4 bars, it starts dropping to zero more than not... > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what this might be? > > A a bit of history-- the computer and sound card were used on an Icom 756 > ProIII, and there was never an issue like this... The ALC was adjustable > from zero to too much on the Icom, with no dropouts... > > -- > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6um.elist at gmail.com > From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 19:03:35 2017 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:03:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?Hi Dave, I was about to write about overdriving your Elecraft transceiver via the computer sound card output and what that can do to the ALC readout (for me on my kx3: cause the ALC meter to display nothing), but it sounds like you are already aware of this fact and have tried to adjust so that you achieve 4-5 bars. Not sure what OS you are running, but it doesn't matter really I guess. Do you know if any of the sounds the OS makes are directed through the same sound card as you send your JT65 transmissions? A long shot to be sure as I think you are able to recreate this situation whenever and you have some regularity to the issue you are seeing. Have you tried to hook-up a small speaker to the sound card output and listen to what is transmitted to see if the tones are a constant volume or do you hear drop-outs interspersed throughout the transmit period? regards, Brian VE3IBW From kkinderen at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 19:22:02 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:22:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Delta-f issue solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ha! That's pretty funny. Welcome Mike. You are going to love your KX3 in the fresh air. It is an amazing rig, and I won't qualify that statement by saying for it's size. Welcome back to the hobby. Catch you on the air. 73, Kev K4VD On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > Okay I really feel dumb, I am using this outside and the way the daylight > was reflecting or something gave the appearance it was sort of lit up. > Sorry for that! > > This rig is a lot of fun! Even though the bands sound sorta quiet today... > Mike ab7ru > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 3 19:26:45 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e6d3988-a049-2349-2069-1cbc2ccb3dd6@embarqmail.com> Steve, Those settings are too extreme - they need to be more mid-range. Set the K3 LINE IN gain to something mid-range (about 30), then reduce the soundcard and WSJT-X settings to about 50% and give it a try. Adjust the computer soundcard and WSJT-X settings to produce 4 bars on the ALC meter, then fine-tune the adjustment with the K3 LINE IN gain. If you use other digital modes in addition to WSJT-X, pick one without the application slider to adjust the soundcard only for the 4 bars with the 5th flickering. If you do that, then go back to WSJT-X and adjust its slider to give you the 4 bars with the 5th bar flickering. Remember the soundcard and WSJT-X settings for the next time. The problem is that WSJT-X tries to make it "easy" for most transceivers which will use the audio level to control the power output. That does not work well with Elecraft transceivers which will try continuously to adjust the drive level to produce the power output set by the POWER knob. The result with insufficient audio is "Power hunting". With Elecraft gear, set the audio level correctly - leave it there - and adjust the desired power with the POWER knob. In other words, ignore the internet and often the application software instructions which typically say to set the power to the maximum and adjust the power with the audio level. That just does not work with Elecraft gear which uses a different (and better) power control system. That applies to all soundcard data modes, and is not unique to WSJT-X. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/3/2017 7:00 PM, Steve Lund wrote: > Dave, > > I have exactly the same problem. For me it does not occur with RTTY. That > seems to be solid. JT65 and FT8 really show the problem. When the problem > occurs I can often make a RTTY transmission and suddenly the ALC shows for > FT8/JT65. > > I have multiple soundcards in my computer and in theory the windows > 'sounds' are going to another soundcard. But, it has always seemed like the > problem occurs after I've gone on the internet and a website has sound on > it. > > I'm going to try K4TAX's solution. When 'working' my K3 Line In is 4 or so; > WSJT-X is 70% and Speaker is 100%. > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 3 21:11:00 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 20:11:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d1d2f12-05bc-1738-a51d-8b3812a03913@blomand.net> In RTTY are you using FSK or AFSK? I'm surprised that you find the SPEAKER level at 100% as necessary. Of course different sound card in computers behave differently. Also the Line In at 4 sounds awfully low. I'd think more toward mid way is better with better resolution in regard to level changes. Perhaps down with the SPEAKER level and up with the Line In level on the K3. All of this is not just setting a matter of levels.........it is a balancing act where they all must be in the correct range to finesse performance. 73 Bob, On 8/3/2017 6:00 PM, Steve Lund wrote: > Dave, > > I have exactly the same problem. For me it does not occur with RTTY. That > seems to be solid. JT65 and FT8 really show the problem. When the problem > occurs I can often make a RTTY transmission and suddenly the ALC shows for > FT8/JT65. > > I have multiple soundcards in my computer and in theory the windows > 'sounds' are going to another soundcard. But, it has always seemed like the > problem occurs after I've gone on the internet and a website has sound on > it. > > I'm going to try K4TAX's solution. When 'working' my K3 Line In is 4 or so; > WSJT-X is 70% and Speaker is 100%. > > Let us know if you get a stable solution. > > Steve, K6UM > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 3 21:14:10 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 20:14:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2850e771-f321-7868-43a5-ef144ded2307@blomand.net> Better yet, just turn on the MON function on the radio and listen to the tones. They must be perfectly clear and clean. And yes, I've found that over driving the sound card will do really funny things to the ALC and its display. Start low and work your way up. Remember there are 3 places that likely need adjusting, not just one. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/3/2017 6:03 PM, Brian Waterworth wrote: > ?Hi Dave, > > I was about to write about overdriving your Elecraft transceiver via the > computer sound card output and what that can do to the ALC readout (for me > on my kx3: cause the ALC meter to display nothing), but it sounds like you > are already aware of this fact and have tried to adjust so that you achieve > 4-5 bars. > > Not sure what OS you are running, but it doesn't matter really I guess. Do > you know if any of the sounds the OS makes are directed through the same > sound card as you send your JT65 transmissions? A long shot to be sure as > I think you are able to recreate this situation whenever and you have some > regularity to the issue you are seeing. > > Have you tried to hook-up a small speaker to the sound card output and > listen to what is transmitted to see if the tones are a constant volume or > do you hear drop-outs interspersed throughout the transmit period? > > regards, > Brian > VE3IBW > _ From devin.butterfield at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 22:22:07 2017 From: devin.butterfield at gmail.com (Devin Butterfield) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> Hi, I?ve seen the same behavior when running digital modes on my KX3. It seems like maybe it does that (dropping to zero) when overdriven? Just a guess. ? Regards, Devin / K6DRS > On Aug 3, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > > Hi, > > I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th bar of ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. > > I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I turn things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a bit, the ALC starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... > > That is to say, the ALC just goes to zero, no visible ALC, and then teh ALC returns to 4 or 5 bars. This happens across a one or two second time span. > > The ALC is at zero more than it is above zero most of the time. If I run it to five bars, with the fifth fluctuating, all is well, there seems to be some sort of threshold at the 5th bar of ALC... > > I have tried a number of things to try and triage this... For instance: > > 1. Running in "Transmit Test" mode to eliminate RF feedback. > 2. Upping the audio level feeding the K3. > 3. Reducing the audio level feeding the K3. > 4. Upping the line in on the K3 setup. > 5. Reducing the Line in on the K3 setup. > 6. Adjustment of the WSJT-X output level control, under conditions 2 through 5 above. > > In all cases the above described behavior of the ALC dropping to zero does not change in any way if I am at 5 or less bars. That is to say, if I take the ALC level to 4 bars, it starts dropping to zero more than not... > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what this might be? > > A a bit of history-- the computer and sound card were used on an Icom 756 ProIII, and there was never an issue like this... The ALC was adjustable from zero to too much on the Icom, with no dropouts... > > -- > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to devin.butterfield at gmail.com From n1al at sonic.net Thu Aug 3 23:01:43 2017 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 20:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17f1d439-4a51-0c16-aada-3d829017721c@sonic.net> On 08/03/2017 12:03 PM, w7aqk wrote: > Jim and All, > > Back in the late 50's, a few of us living in Albuquerque drove up to the > 4 corners monument northwest of Farmington, NM. It's the only place in > the U.S. where four states come to one common point. We set our antenna > right on top of the monument, so we were in 4 states at the same > time--NM, AZ, UT, and CO, and 3 call areas--5, 7, and 0! In 1996, during a cross-country bicycle trip, I went off-route to visit 4 corners so I could brag about riding through 4 states in 10 seconds. :=) http://n1al.net/bike/CC_tour/day23.htm Alan N1AL From dave at nk7z.net Fri Aug 4 00:52:14 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 21:52:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> Message-ID: <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather than answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try and answer all here... I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have tried them again today. Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting at 27, and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the same behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going between those conditions about once or twice a second randomly. If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and acts just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. sits at 5 bars, and the 6th flashes... No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact if I am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes away if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty sure it is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 4 00:53:47 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 21:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares In-Reply-To: <17f1d439-4a51-0c16-aada-3d829017721c@sonic.net> References: <17f1d439-4a51-0c16-aada-3d829017721c@sonic.net> Message-ID: <3ACE0201-C7DA-429A-B21A-1547C0EB0E62@elecraft.com> We're slipping past the max OT posting limit on this one. Let's let the topic rest in the interest of reducing email overload for our other readers. 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ > From G0ORH at sky.com Fri Aug 4 04:21:12 2017 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:21:12 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Don't drop this thread Wayne! Theirs something we can all learn about here!! Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 4 Aug 2017, at 05:52, Dave Cole wrote: > > Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather than answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try and answer all here... > > I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have tried them again today. > > Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting at 27, and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. > > I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the same behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going between those conditions about once or twice a second randomly. > > If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and acts just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. sits at 5 bars, and the 6th flashes... > > No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. > > I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact if I am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... > > Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... > > I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes away if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... > > I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty sure it is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 4 05:26:40 2017 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:26:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com><4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net><52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com><15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d822de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com><1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Apologies for taking this away from Elecraft topic, however, you might be interested in a specific noise measurement system here: http://www.crosscountrywireless.net/sentinel_2_sdr.htm in which a *calibrated* sdr is programmed to continuously listen on 5 unused HF frequencies and report to APRS every 10s. Also: http://g4fkh.co.uk/projects/noise-measuring-campaign/ David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Farrer via Elecraft" To: "Rick Miller - N1RM" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey > Rick, > While it is not easy, you should put in the agenda checking it day and > night. I found very different noise profiles that way.... > Mel, K6KBE > > From: Rick Miller - N1RM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey > > Thanks for all the info! > > It turns out I have an RSP2 and now have it running with HDSDR in "slow" > waterfall mode. I'm now looking for a way to control the front end options > of the RSP2 - nothing seems to be built into HDSDR to do that, but that's > a > topic for another mail list. BTW - I conveniently have an EXCELLENT > Clifton > Labs 1800 KHz AMBC high pass filter that sure tames the input dynamic > range > when measuring 160M. > > I will also try the suggestions for different ways to record signal > strength > on the K3. > > Thanks again, > Rick > N1RM From wb5tuf at comcast.net Fri Aug 4 08:11:53 2017 From: wb5tuf at comcast.net (Glenn Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 07:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <00d501d30d1a$dcd231f0$967695d0$@comcast.net> You guys are over-thinking this "issue". Just set whatever combination of level controls it takes to get four solid bars and a flashing fifth on the ALC and get on with it.....that works for me. See Y'all on FT8! Glenn WB5TUF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather than answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try and answer all here... I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have tried them again today. Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting at 27, and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the same behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going between those conditions about once or twice a second randomly. If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and acts just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. sits at 5 bars, and the 6th flashes... No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact if I am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes away if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty sure it is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net From dm4im at t-online.de Fri Aug 4 08:33:59 2017 From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 14:33:59 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares Message-ID: <49e518cc-228e-88af-4aa3-ea86e7b97304@t-online.de> Another great tool to determine a locator or the distance between 2 locators is: http://qthlocator.free.fr by F6FVY It uses google maps. Just enter a known locator or click on a known location (e.g. your house) and voila. Maybe it is one of the fathers of that sort of tools. I've first seen it 12/2006. -- Ohne CW ist es nur CB.. 73, Martin DM4iM From dave at nk7z.net Fri Aug 4 08:53:49 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 05:53:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <00d501d30d1a$dcd231f0$967695d0$@comcast.net> References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> <00d501d30d1a$dcd231f0$967695d0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Glenn, Respectfully, the issue, as already stated a few times, in several messages, is not that no one knows what to adjust, and we are all over thinking how to fix this, but that it is not possible to get the desired results, no matter what one adjusts. I have adjusted all possible combinations of level controls-- LINE IN on the K3, the sound card out on the computer, and the Power Out on WSJT-X, to get to the desired results, and have failed. Given that I am a pretty creative fellow, and spend decades in the Electronics industry, I suspect I am doing this correctly, so no, I am pretty sure this is not a case of over thinking, but of something not visible happening. I just read Ken's post of July 16th, and yes Ken's problem sounds like the same issue I have-- as one approaches the correct settings, the K3 jumps to instantly to 5 bars, skipping 4 bars, or as you lower any input to the K3, the ALC actions simply stops at 5 bars... Then te ALC levels start to pump, while power out stays the same... I have heard this described as Power Hunting before, but in my case, it seems totally disconnected from any power settings I run. I have tried everything from 1 watt to 100 watts, and the behavior never changes. Alas, I fear I will just continue running with a bit of ALC, which I don't want to do... I would like to set it up as per Elecraft recommendations, but that seems impossible. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/04/2017 05:11 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: > You guys are over-thinking this "issue". Just set whatever combination of > level controls it takes to get four solid bars and a flashing fifth on the > ALC and get on with it.....that works for me. > > See Y'all on FT8! > > Glenn WB5TUF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:52 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather than > answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try and answer > all here... > > I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have tried > them again today. > > Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting at 27, > and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. > > I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the same > behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going between those > conditions about once or twice a second randomly. > > If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and acts > just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. sits at 5 > bars, and the 6th flashes... > > No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. > > I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. > The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact if I > am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... > > Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... > > I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... > I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes away > if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... > > I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty sure it > is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the life of me I > can't figure it out. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net > From wb5tuf at comcast.net Fri Aug 4 12:18:34 2017 From: wb5tuf at comcast.net (Glenn Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:18:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> <00d501d30d1a$dcd231f0$967695d0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005101d30d3d$529cf2e0$f7d6d8a0$@comcast.net> OK...so here's how I do it... 1. Press the "tune" button on the K3. 2. Set output power for a convenient reading on your wattmeter (50 watts). Exit "tune" mode. 3. Activate the "tune" function on WSJL or send a test tone from your favorite digital program. 4. Adjust whatever the series of audio controls that you have to make the output power match the value in step 2. 5. Exit test mode. 6. Operate I don't pay any attention to the ALC meter after this point. For the record, mine seems to flash between one and four bars. YMMV Glenn WB5TUF -----Original Message----- From: Dave Cole [mailto:dave at nk7z.net] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:54 AM To: Glenn Anderson ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior Hi Glenn, Respectfully, the issue, as already stated a few times, in several messages, is not that no one knows what to adjust, and we are all over thinking how to fix this, but that it is not possible to get the desired results, no matter what one adjusts. I have adjusted all possible combinations of level controls-- LINE IN on the K3, the sound card out on the computer, and the Power Out on WSJT-X, to get to the desired results, and have failed. Given that I am a pretty creative fellow, and spend decades in the Electronics industry, I suspect I am doing this correctly, so no, I am pretty sure this is not a case of over thinking, but of something not visible happening. I just read Ken's post of July 16th, and yes Ken's problem sounds like the same issue I have-- as one approaches the correct settings, the K3 jumps to instantly to 5 bars, skipping 4 bars, or as you lower any input to the K3, the ALC actions simply stops at 5 bars... Then te ALC levels start to pump, while power out stays the same... I have heard this described as Power Hunting before, but in my case, it seems totally disconnected from any power settings I run. I have tried everything from 1 watt to 100 watts, and the behavior never changes. Alas, I fear I will just continue running with a bit of ALC, which I don't want to do... I would like to set it up as per Elecraft recommendations, but that seems impossible. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/04/2017 05:11 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: > You guys are over-thinking this "issue". Just set whatever combination > of level controls it takes to get four solid bars and a flashing fifth > on the ALC and get on with it.....that works for me. > > See Y'all on FT8! > > Glenn WB5TUF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:52 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather > than answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try > and answer all here... > > I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have > tried them again today. > > Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting > at 27, and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. > > I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the > same behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going > between those conditions about once or twice a second randomly. > > If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and > acts just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. > sits at 5 bars, and the 6th flashes... > > No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. > > I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. > The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact > if I am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... > > Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... > > I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... > I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes > away if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... > > I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty > sure it is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the > life of me I can't figure it out. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wb5tuf at comcast.net > From dave at nk7z.net Fri Aug 4 12:21:56 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:21:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <005101d30d3d$529cf2e0$f7d6d8a0$@comcast.net> References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> <00d501d30d1a$dcd231f0$967695d0$@comcast.net> <005101d30d3d$529cf2e0$f7d6d8a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Glen, Thank you for the info, that is essentially what I am doing. I am concerned because it is not as Elecraft recommends for cleanest signal. I will probably go back to operating with number 5 solid, and number 6 flickering... I have been able to not find a solution for this. Many thanks to all who responded to my request. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/04/2017 09:18 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: > OK...so here's how I do it... > > 1. Press the "tune" button on the K3. > 2. Set output power for a convenient reading on your wattmeter (50 watts). Exit "tune" mode. > 3. Activate the "tune" function on WSJL or send a test tone from your favorite digital program. > 4. Adjust whatever the series of audio controls that you have to make the output power match the value in step 2. > 5. Exit test mode. > 6. Operate > > I don't pay any attention to the ALC meter after this point. For the record, mine seems to flash between one and four bars. > > YMMV > > Glenn WB5TUF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Cole [mailto:dave at nk7z.net] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:54 AM > To: Glenn Anderson ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > Hi Glenn, > > Respectfully, the issue, as already stated a few times, in several messages, is not that no one knows what to adjust, and we are all over thinking how to fix this, but that it is not possible to get the desired results, no matter what one adjusts. > > I have adjusted all possible combinations of level controls-- LINE IN on the K3, the sound card out on the computer, and the Power Out on WSJT-X, to get to the desired results, and have failed. > > Given that I am a pretty creative fellow, and spend decades in the Electronics industry, I suspect I am doing this correctly, so no, I am pretty sure this is not a case of over thinking, but of something not visible happening. > > I just read Ken's post of July 16th, and yes Ken's problem sounds like the same issue I have-- as one approaches the correct settings, the K3 jumps to instantly to 5 bars, skipping 4 bars, or as you lower any input to the K3, the ALC actions simply stops at 5 bars... Then te ALC levels start to pump, while power out stays the same... > > I have heard this described as Power Hunting before, but in my case, it seems totally disconnected from any power settings I run. I have tried everything from 1 watt to 100 watts, and the behavior never changes. > > Alas, I fear I will just continue running with a bit of ALC, which I don't want to do... I would like to set it up as per Elecraft recommendations, but that seems impossible. > > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 08/04/2017 05:11 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: >> You guys are over-thinking this "issue". Just set whatever combination >> of level controls it takes to get four solid bars and a flashing fifth >> on the ALC and get on with it.....that works for me. >> >> See Y'all on FT8! >> >> Glenn WB5TUF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole >> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:52 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior >> >> Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather >> than answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try >> and answer all here... >> >> I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have >> tried them again today. >> >> Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting >> at 27, and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. >> >> I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the >> same behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going >> between those conditions about once or twice a second randomly. >> >> If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and >> acts just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. >> sits at 5 bars, and the 6th flashes... >> >> No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. >> >> I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. >> The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact >> if I am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... >> >> Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... >> >> I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... >> I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes >> away if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... >> >> I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty >> sure it is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the >> life of me I can't figure it out. >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> wb5tuf at comcast.net >> > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 4 12:45:22 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:45:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5 000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d8 22de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9941caf4-d60e-5e1d-e4dd-fabc1271d699@triconet.org> They should fix some links on this site. On 8/4/2017 2:26 AM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote: > Apologies for taking this away from Elecraft topic, however, you might be > interested in a specific noise measurement system here: > http://www.crosscountrywireless.net/sentinel_2_sdr.htm > in which a *calibrated* sdr is programmed to continuously listen on 5 unused > HF frequencies and report to APRS every 10s. > Also: > http://g4fkh.co.uk/projects/noise-measuring-campaign/ > > David > G3UNA From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 4 12:53:11 2017 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:53:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <9941caf4-d60e-5e1d-e4dd-fabc1271d699@triconet.org> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net> <52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5 000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d8 22de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com> <76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> <9941caf4-d60e-5e1d-e4dd-fabc1271d699@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1147183289.3195087.1501865591879.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe6.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> Yes, I already sent a message to Chris, hope he fixes that soon David G3UNA > > On 04 August 2017 at 17:45 Wes Stewart wrote: > > > They should fix some links on this site. > > On 8/4/2017 2:26 AM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote: > > Apologies for taking this away from Elecraft topic, however, you might > > be > > interested in a specific noise measurement system here: > > http://www.crosscountrywireless.net/sentinel_2_sdr.htm > > in which a *calibrated* sdr is programmed to continuously listen on 5 > > unused > > HF frequencies and report to APRS every 10s. > > Also: > > http://g4fkh.co.uk/projects/noise-measuring-campaign/ > > > > David > > G3UNA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Aug 4 13:06:03 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:06:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <005101d30d3d$529cf2e0$f7d6d8a0$@comcast.net> References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> <00d501d30d1a$dcd231f0$967695d0$@comcast.net> <005101d30d3d$529cf2e0$f7d6d8a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5996D9A0-DA7A-4B20-8058-B68DD6863D64@wunderwood.org> This is right for most ham transmitters, but wrong for Elecraft. Elecraft transmitters have a closed-loop power control that will try to keep the power at the set level (50 W) regardless of the audio input. 1. Set output power to 0 W and/or use a dummy load. 2. Set WSJT-X to ?Tune?, where it will put out a constant tone. 3. Adjust all audio levels, starting at a middle position, until you have 4 bars solid and the 5th flickering. It might not flicker for this solid tone. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 4, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: > > OK...so here's how I do it... > > 1. Press the "tune" button on the K3. > 2. Set output power for a convenient reading on your wattmeter (50 watts). Exit "tune" mode. > 3. Activate the "tune" function on WSJL or send a test tone from your favorite digital program. > 4. Adjust whatever the series of audio controls that you have to make the output power match the value in step 2. > 5. Exit test mode. > 6. Operate > > I don't pay any attention to the ALC meter after this point. For the record, mine seems to flash between one and four bars. > > YMMV > > Glenn WB5TUF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Cole [mailto:dave at nk7z.net] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:54 AM > To: Glenn Anderson ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > Hi Glenn, > > Respectfully, the issue, as already stated a few times, in several messages, is not that no one knows what to adjust, and we are all over thinking how to fix this, but that it is not possible to get the desired results, no matter what one adjusts. > > I have adjusted all possible combinations of level controls-- LINE IN on the K3, the sound card out on the computer, and the Power Out on WSJT-X, to get to the desired results, and have failed. > > Given that I am a pretty creative fellow, and spend decades in the Electronics industry, I suspect I am doing this correctly, so no, I am pretty sure this is not a case of over thinking, but of something not visible happening. > > I just read Ken's post of July 16th, and yes Ken's problem sounds like the same issue I have-- as one approaches the correct settings, the K3 jumps to instantly to 5 bars, skipping 4 bars, or as you lower any input to the K3, the ALC actions simply stops at 5 bars... Then te ALC levels start to pump, while power out stays the same... > > I have heard this described as Power Hunting before, but in my case, it seems totally disconnected from any power settings I run. I have tried everything from 1 watt to 100 watts, and the behavior never changes. > > Alas, I fear I will just continue running with a bit of ALC, which I don't want to do... I would like to set it up as per Elecraft recommendations, but that seems impossible. > > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 08/04/2017 05:11 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: >> You guys are over-thinking this "issue". Just set whatever combination >> of level controls it takes to get four solid bars and a flashing fifth >> on the ALC and get on with it.....that works for me. >> >> See Y'all on FT8! >> >> Glenn WB5TUF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole >> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:52 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior >> >> Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather >> than answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try >> and answer all here... >> >> I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have >> tried them again today. >> >> Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting >> at 27, and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. >> >> I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the >> same behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going >> between those conditions about once or twice a second randomly. >> >> If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and >> acts just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. >> sits at 5 bars, and the 6th flashes... >> >> No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. >> >> I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. >> The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact >> if I am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... >> >> Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... >> >> I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... >> I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes >> away if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... >> >> I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty >> sure it is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the >> life of me I can't figure it out. >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> wb5tuf at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Aug 4 13:54:27 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 12:54:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Odd ALC Behavior Message-ID: <92102992-8dfb-c7ae-a8a6-779241707014@blomand.net> I posted a video in my Dropbox at the link below. It shows 4 ALC bars solid on and the 5th flickering. https://www.dropbox.com/s/an06t907tx8xgid/Video%20Aug%2004%2C%208%2012%2025%20AM.mov?dl=0 I find that anytime where any the controls are running at near a minimum value, the granularity of the steps is significant. {i.e. big steps = big changes} Where as operating near mid range to upper mid range, one has better control of the levels, meaning there is less change per step. Also with WSJT-X I find that trying to grab the PWR slider and move it up or down with the mouse is a bit of a challenge. The mouse acceleration will cause significant changes. It is easier to position the mouse cursor on the line and click above or below the slider to attain a fine adjustment. This way it will only move to the next step. Don't hold the left mouse button down or the slider will move to the position of the mouse cursor. As stated before, there's three places where the levels must be adjusted and they do interact as they are fundamentally in series. (a) Speaker level - nominally about 25 to 35 then to (b) WSJT-X PWR level - nominally about mid to upper mid range then to (c) K3S Line gain - 25 to 35 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 4 13:57:19 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 13:57:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <005101d30d3d$529cf2e0$f7d6d8a0$@comcast.net> References: <86AEA364-F291-415D-A305-1EA5A5EFEE75@lumenosys.com> <2a0b2988-2d2b-4b9e-f7bf-9e189ae8c78a@nk7z.net> <00d501d30d1a$dcd231f0$967695d0$@comcast.net> <005101d30d3d$529cf2e0$f7d6d8a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9a2fe45b-0afd-a027-716a-411d83a4b7ac@embarqmail.com> Glenn, That method will give you a bad indication of the power output. Elecraft transceivers use a closed loop power control system - as found in some commercial transceivers, but as far as I know, not in other amateur transceivers. The result is that an Elecraft transceiver (K3, K3S, KX3, KX2 and yes even the K2) will endeavor to provide the power level that was set with the power knob. That can cause some of the transmit gain stages to go to their maximum output limit - which will increase distortion. Set the audio level first as described by Elecraft, and after that, set the power level desired with the power knob. Leave the audio level alone after setting it. Ignore the common internet advice, it does not work well with Elecraft gear. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2017 12:18 PM, Glenn Anderson wrote: > OK...so here's how I do it... > > 1. Press the "tune" button on the K3. > 2. Set output power for a convenient reading on your wattmeter (50 watts). Exit "tune" mode. > 3. Activate the "tune" function on WSJL or send a test tone from your favorite digital program. > 4. Adjust whatever the series of audio controls that you have to make the output power match the value in step 2. > 5. Exit test mode. > 6. Operate > > I don't pay any attention to the ALC meter after this point. For the record, mine seems to flash between one and four bars. > > YMMV > > Glenn WB5TUF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Cole [mailto:dave at nk7z.net] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:54 AM > To: Glenn Anderson ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > Hi Glenn, > > Respectfully, the issue, as already stated a few times, in several messages, is not that no one knows what to adjust, and we are all over thinking how to fix this, but that it is not possible to get the desired results, no matter what one adjusts. > > I have adjusted all possible combinations of level controls-- LINE IN on the K3, the sound card out on the computer, and the Power Out on WSJT-X, to get to the desired results, and have failed. > > Given that I am a pretty creative fellow, and spend decades in the Electronics industry, I suspect I am doing this correctly, so no, I am pretty sure this is not a case of over thinking, but of something not visible happening. > > I just read Ken's post of July 16th, and yes Ken's problem sounds like the same issue I have-- as one approaches the correct settings, the K3 jumps to instantly to 5 bars, skipping 4 bars, or as you lower any input to the K3, the ALC actions simply stops at 5 bars... Then te ALC levels start to pump, while power out stays the same... > > I have heard this described as Power Hunting before, but in my case, it seems totally disconnected from any power settings I run. I have tried everything from 1 watt to 100 watts, and the behavior never changes. > > Alas, I fear I will just continue running with a bit of ALC, which I don't want to do... I would like to set it up as per Elecraft recommendations, but that seems impossible. > > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 08/04/2017 05:11 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: >> You guys are over-thinking this "issue". Just set whatever combination >> of level controls it takes to get four solid bars and a flashing fifth >> on the ALC and get on with it.....that works for me. >> >> See Y'all on FT8! >> >> Glenn WB5TUF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole >> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:52 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior >> >> Thanks to all for the sheer number and breadth of answers... Rather >> than answer each one, and create a huge number of posts, I will try >> and answer all here... >> >> I have done all the steps outlined i the posts here before, and have >> tried them again today. >> >> Output from the computer is sitting dead center, line in was sitting >> at 27, and the power slider on WSJT-X is sitting at 4/5th full. >> >> I took a different sound card program, (MixW in RTTY), and I got the >> same behavior at 5 bars, the meter shows 5 bars, or no bars going >> between those conditions about once or twice a second randomly. >> >> If I increase ANY of the audio controls it drops out of that mode, and >> acts just as Elecraft say to set things, just one bar higher, i.e. >> sits at 5 bars, and the 6th flashes... >> >> No combination I can create of the input, or output controls will stop this. >> >> I also tried adjusting the power controls set a 1 watt, and at 50 watts. >> The power control makes zero difference in how it behaves. In fact >> if I am in TEST TRANSMIT mode the problem shows... >> >> Listening to the computer output via MON-- sounds perfect... >> >> I may next get the scope out again, and start looking at things again... >> I doubt it is the sound card changing levels because the issue goes >> away if I turn up LINE IN on the K3... >> >> I am still at a loss as to what is causing this issue. I am pretty >> sure it is an artifact of something happening in the K3, but for the >> life of me I can't figure it out. >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> wb5tuf at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From huntinhmb at coastside.net Fri Aug 4 13:58:54 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:58:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). At the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at a selected 10 watts. Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this out to the group. 73, Brian, K0DTJ On 8/3/2017 13:25, Dave Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th > bar of ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. > > I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I > turn things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a > bit, the ALC starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... > > That is to say, the ALC just goes to zero, no visible ALC, and then > teh ALC returns to 4 or 5 bars. This happens across a one or two > second time span. > > The ALC is at zero more than it is above zero most of the time. If I > run it to five bars, with the fifth fluctuating, all is well, there > seems to be some sort of threshold at the 5th bar of ALC... > > I have tried a number of things to try and triage this... For instance: > > 1. Running in "Transmit Test" mode to eliminate RF feedback. > 2. Upping the audio level feeding the K3. > 3. Reducing the audio level feeding the K3. > 4. Upping the line in on the K3 setup. > 5. Reducing the Line in on the K3 setup. > 6. Adjustment of the WSJT-X output level control, under conditions 2 > through 5 above. > > In all cases the above described behavior of the ALC dropping to zero > does not change in any way if I am at 5 or less bars. That is to say, > if I take the ALC level to 4 bars, it starts dropping to zero more > than not... > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what this might be? > > A a bit of history-- the computer and sound card were used on an Icom > 756 ProIII, and there was never an issue like this... The ALC was > adjustable from zero to too much on the Icom, with no dropouts... > From w7jhr at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 14:10:39 2017 From: w7jhr at yahoo.com (Jim Ruff) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 18:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost hot to the touch.? The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay.? Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what products in your opinion are the best? Thanks,JimW7JHR Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app From dave at nk7z.net Fri Aug 4 14:16:15 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> Message-ID: Please post resultd from WSJT-X, as that is what I am using. I have noted that tune, vs. actual outputs act differently... THANK YOU! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/04/2017 10:58 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: > I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope today. > I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard output > to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was rock > solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in > time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). > At the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at > a selected 10 watts. > > Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz and > the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the > desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) > that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the > filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around > but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". > > I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this > out to the group. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > > On 8/3/2017 13:25, Dave Cole wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have an issue in regards to obtaining 4 bars, and getting the 5th >> bar of ALC to fluctuate while transmitting JT65. >> >> I have plenty of audio, and can drive the ALC to 6 or more bars if I >> turn things up. However, as I get to 4 bars with the 5th flashing a >> bit, the ALC starts to fluctuate between nothing and 4 or 5 bars... >> >> That is to say, the ALC just goes to zero, no visible ALC, and then >> teh ALC returns to 4 or 5 bars. This happens across a one or two >> second time span. >> >> The ALC is at zero more than it is above zero most of the time. If I >> run it to five bars, with the fifth fluctuating, all is well, there >> seems to be some sort of threshold at the 5th bar of ALC... >> >> I have tried a number of things to try and triage this... For instance: >> >> 1. Running in "Transmit Test" mode to eliminate RF feedback. >> 2. Upping the audio level feeding the K3. >> 3. Reducing the audio level feeding the K3. >> 4. Upping the line in on the K3 setup. >> 5. Reducing the Line in on the K3 setup. >> 6. Adjustment of the WSJT-X output level control, under conditions 2 >> through 5 above. >> >> In all cases the above described behavior of the ALC dropping to zero >> does not change in any way if I am at 5 or less bars. That is to say, >> if I take the ALC level to 4 bars, it starts dropping to zero more >> than not... >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what this might be? >> >> A a bit of history-- the computer and sound card were used on an Icom >> 756 ProIII, and there was never an issue like this... The ALC was >> adjustable from zero to too much on the Icom, with no dropouts... >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 4 14:19:36 2017 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 19:19:36 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey In-Reply-To: <9941caf4-d60e-5e1d-e4dd-fabc1271d699@triconet.org> References: <1501594425226-7632955.post@n2.nabble.com><4f5ad420-8a26-8b3a-784c-e2c965c60f9f@nk7z.net><52816062-a4d8-6d36-b84f-bd5 000d40794@audiosystemsgroup.com><15e1b3c8-8225-d129-6277-d8 22de551b84@audiosystemsgroup.com><1501627677673-7632979.post@n2.nabble.com><76662681.5096409.1501632546197@mail.yahoo.com> <9941caf4-d60e-5e1d-e4dd-fabc1271d699@triconet.org> Message-ID: <40362E3AC4AA4640BA9F81E3C7941A74@DavidPC> Here's what I found on the Wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20161216101425/http://www.crosscountrywireless.net/sentinel_sdr_program.htm Hope the page opens for you I used the system for a year or so, but my then XP machines all died. He has re-designed the system with W10 compatibility so I intend to re-start my monitoring using a cheap W10 tablet, which I'm hoping will have a longer life! David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wes Stewart" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey > They should fix some links on this site. > > On 8/4/2017 2:26 AM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote: >> Apologies for taking this away from Elecraft topic, however, you might be >> interested in a specific noise measurement system here: >> http://www.crosscountrywireless.net/sentinel_2_sdr.htm >> in which a *calibrated* sdr is programmed to continuously listen on 5 >> unused HF frequencies and report to APRS every 10s. >> Also: >> http://g4fkh.co.uk/projects/noise-measuring-campaign/ >> >> David >> G3UNA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Aug 4 14:25:44 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 13:25:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> Message-ID: <4dfa8020-8a6f-1dc8-603d-d2a74d218947@blomand.net> I did a spot sweep in 100 Hz steps from 1000 Hz to 2000 Hz using TUNE function on WSJT-X. I observed, depending on frequency of the tone, the value of ALC indicated does change. This to me indicates the uniformity of the filter does show some ripple across the top. This is normal in my thinking. So when setting levels, select a mid range tone and let the others fall where they may. In any event, you won't be far from the ideal level. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/4/2017 1:16 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > Please post resultd from WSJT-X, as that is what I am using. I have > noted that tune, vs. actual outputs act differently... THANK YOU! > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > From huntinhmb at coastside.net Fri Aug 4 14:33:48 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> Message-ID: <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> Here's some followup: FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 Hz. WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 filter center frequency has no effect on the above. 73, Brian, K0DTJ On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: > I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope > today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB > soundcard output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in > TUNE mode was rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the > level oscillated in time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed > with a stop watch). At the same time the K3 power output into a dummy > load was rock solid at a selected 10 watts. > > Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz > and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to > the desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and > verified) that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I > changed the filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI > frequency around but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". > > I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this > out to the group. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > From phystad at mac.com Fri Aug 4 14:43:48 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:43:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: For Sale: 4-band KX1 Message-ID: <47E14734-3412-4DE0-BD08-7612F0A3E84B@mac.com> I am selling my 4-band KX1, 80,30,40,20 meter bands. This KX1 is in excellent condition. The KX1 has been discontinued so maybe someday this rig will be a collectors item or maybe have a place in a museum somewhere (Smithsonian?). I built the KX1 myself, very first Elecraft kit I built. I did the 40,20 band kit and I bought the 80,30 band kit at the same time but never got around to building it. A few years pass and finally I sent it to Don Wilhelm to build. Having passed thru Don?s hands you can expect the excellent work he did. I never did buy the antenna tuner as I bought the T1 instead because I had other QRP rigs that I also used the T1 with. However, judging by the Order list on Elecraft, I am assuming you can still purchase the antenna tuner kit. Price: $250 includes shipping CONUS. Included in shipping is KX1 and all KX1 documentation. Payment by PayPal requested. Please contact off the list if interested. 73, phil, K7PEH From richard at lamont.me.uk Fri Aug 4 14:46:19 2017 From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 19:46:19 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> Message-ID: On 04/08/17 19:33, Brian Hunt wrote: > Here's some followup: > FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, > and 2000 Hz. > WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 > and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). > > The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the > output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 > filter center frequency has no effect on the above. This looks like a beat between the modulating frequency and some sampling process associated with the ALC meter. 73, Richard G4DYA From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Fri Aug 4 16:20:50 2017 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:20:50 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior Message-ID: <7905a532-5e0d-d354-6b98-968aee78d9c3@horizon.co.fk> A blast from the past, it's been 17 years since I was involved with this stuff. In E1 PCM multi channel voice transmission systems the standard test tone was 1024Hz so as not to interact with the 8kHz sampling rate. This is not a fault but a fact of life. Maybe the designers would care to mention the DSP sampling rate for the TX audio. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 04/08/2017 15:46, Richard Lamont wrote: > On 04/08/17 19:33, Brian Hunt wrote: >> Here's some followup: >> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, >> and 2000 Hz. >> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 >> and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >> >> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the >> output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 >> filter center frequency has no effect on the above. > > This looks like a beat between the modulating frequency and some > sampling process associated with the ALC meter. > > 73, > Richard G4DYA From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 4 16:42:03 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 13:42:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> Message-ID: <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. This probably explains the great variability in results reported. Some of us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you talking about? Wes, N7WS On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: > Here's some followup: > FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, and > 2000 Hz. > WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 and > 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). > > The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the output and > ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 filter center > frequency has no effect on the above. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > > On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope today. I >> had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard output to the >> K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was rock solid. >> Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in time with the >> ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). At the same time >> the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at a selected 10 watts. >> >> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz and the >> "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the desired 4 >> bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) that the >> default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the filter center >> frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around but couldn't >> reproduce the "pumping". >> >> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this out to >> the group. >> >> 73, >> Brian, K0DTJ >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From k2ud at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 4 17:07:24 2017 From: k2ud at roadrunner.com (k2ud at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:07:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20170804210724.W5ZX0.77497.root@dnvrco-web14> Of all of the aftermarket KX3 heatsinks, the VE7FMN has the most surface area and mass- read that, it will be the coolest albiet heaviest heatsink you can add to the rig. I have one on mine, run RTTY and PSK31 a lot and never notice much in the way of heat at all with the heatsink. Look at http://VE7FMN.CA for more info. 72 Howard Kraus, K2UD ---- Jim Ruff via Elecraft wrote: > I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost hot to the touch.? The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay.? Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what products in your opinion are the best? Thanks,JimW7JHR Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2ud at roadrunner.com From k1szo at k1szo.com Fri Aug 4 17:08:23 2017 From: k1szo at k1szo.com (k1szo at k1szo.com) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 17:08:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> Hi Jim, I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find any reviews of it. I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a replacement. Regards, David ~ K1SZO On 2017-08-04 14:10, Jim Ruff via Elecraft wrote: > I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, > and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost > hot to the touch.? The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay.? > Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what > products in your opinion are the best? > > Thanks,JimW7JHR > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1szo at k1szo.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Aug 4 17:13:53 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:13:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> Message-ID: My preference is for the ProAudio Engineering sink. FWIW 73 Ken - K0PP On Aug 4, 2017 3:09 PM, wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I > looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new > improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. > > So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or > the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets > before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find > any reviews of it. > > I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to > purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a > replacement. > > Regards, > David ~ K1SZO > > On 2017-08-04 14:10, Jim Ruff via Elecraft wrote: > >> I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, >> and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost >> hot to the touch. The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay. >> Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what >> products in your opinion are the best? >> >> Thanks,JimW7JHR >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1szo at k1szo.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Aug 4 19:29:18 2017 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 19:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite Message-ID: Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and KX2. This release provides support for a few firmware changes in the K3 current beta and future release. In addition, the Noise Reduction control now supports setting the level of noise reduction by right clicking the NR button and selecting one of 32 different levels. It fun to play around with this control to see the difference it can make. Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for your Elecraft Radio. It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500. In addition, it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or hardware devices to share the radio. It integrates with HRD LogBook and DM780, DXLab, Log4OM, WSJT-X, N1MM+, you name it! You can see an overview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU and some reviews here: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214 Check out how to use the built in Spectrum Scope! https://youtu.be/bzCjWOjj9ns 73 Tom va2fsq.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 4 19:42:14 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:42:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> Message-ID: <99E0D065-2B46-41E8-8CFF-5D0C6DB9C019@elecraft.com> David, The new heat sink roughly doubled key-down time in our lab tests. I?d suggest you try it as-is before investing in a third-party heat sink. I use RTTY at full power on my KX3 with just the new stock heat sink and have never had an issue. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 4, 2017, at 2:08 PM, k1szo at k1szo.com wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. > > So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find any reviews of it. > > I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a replacement. > > Regards, > David ~ K1SZO > > On 2017-08-04 14:10, Jim Ruff via Elecraft wrote: >> I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, >> and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost >> hot to the touch. The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay. >> Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what >> products in your opinion are the best? >> Thanks,JimW7JHR >> Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1szo at k1szo.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 4 19:45:29 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:45:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off the standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. Wayne N6KR > On Aug 4, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. > > This probably explains the great variability in results reported. Some of us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you talking about? > > Wes, N7WS > > > On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: >> Here's some followup: >> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 Hz. >> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >> >> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 filter center frequency has no effect on the above. >> >> 73, >> Brian, K0DTJ >> >> On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >>> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). At the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at a selected 10 watts. >>> >>> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". >>> >>> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this out to the group. >>> >>> 73, >>> Brian, K0DTJ >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From dhaines at bates.edu Fri Aug 4 19:47:54 2017 From: dhaines at bates.edu (David Haines) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 19:47:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <99E0D065-2B46-41E8-8CFF-5D0C6DB9C019@elecraft.com> References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> <99E0D065-2B46-41E8-8CFF-5D0C6DB9C019@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <4d7f3f54-dc4b-6ab9-1960-cec5eba012b5@bates.edu> Wayne. What serial number did you first install the new heat sink on the KX3? 73, David KC1DNY On 8/4/2017 7:42 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > David, > > The new heat sink roughly doubled key-down time in our lab tests. I?d suggest you try it as-is before investing in a third-party heat sink. I use RTTY at full power on my KX3 with just the new stock heat sink and have never had an issue. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Aug 4, 2017, at 2:08 PM, k1szo at k1szo.com wrote: >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. >> >> So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find any reviews of it. >> >> I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a replacement. >> >> Regards, >> David ~ K1SZO >> >> On 2017-08-04 14:10, Jim Ruff via Elecraft wrote: >>> I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, >>> and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost >>> hot to the touch. The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay. >>> Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what >>> products in your opinion are the best? >>> Thanks,JimW7JHR >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k1szo at k1szo.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dhaines at bates.edu From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Fri Aug 4 19:54:06 2017 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:54:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <99E0D065-2B46-41E8-8CFF-5D0C6DB9C019@elecraft.com> References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> <99E0D065-2B46-41E8-8CFF-5D0C6DB9C019@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Wayne, Can the new / current KX3 heatsink be swapped / added to an early KX3? 73 Ken - K0PP On Aug 4, 2017 17:43, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: David, The new heat sink roughly doubled key-down time in our lab tests. I?d suggest you try it as-is before investing in a third-party heat sink. I use RTTY at full power on my KX3 with just the new stock heat sink and have never had an issue. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 4, 2017, at 2:08 PM, k1szo at k1szo.com wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. > > So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find any reviews of it. > > I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a replacement. > > Regards, > David ~ K1SZO From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 4 19:56:03 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:56:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> <99E0D065-2B46-41E8-8CFF-5D0C6DB9C019@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1620BBCD-F87B-4C9B-AAF5-290E04FFEEE9@elecraft.com> Yes (easily). Wayne N6KR > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rose wrote: > > Hi Wayne, > > Can the new / current KX3 heatsink be swapped / added to an early KX3? > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > > On Aug 4, 2017 17:43, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: > David, > > The new heat sink roughly doubled key-down time in our lab tests. I?d suggest you try it as-is before investing in a third-party heat sink. I use RTTY at full power on my KX3 with just the new stock heat sink and have never had an issue. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Aug 4, 2017, at 2:08 PM, k1szo at k1szo.com wrote: > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. > > > > So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find any reviews of it. > > > > I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a replacement. > > > > Regards, > > David ~ K1SZO > From mpupeza at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 4 20:10:18 2017 From: mpupeza at sympatico.ca (mpupeza mpupeza) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 20:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads Message-ID: <887941255.540019.1501891818578.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 Tax (S+H FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward to install. I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to loosen under the rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in less than a week. Much cheaper than a new headset. Mike VE3EQP .....> From ny9h at arrl.net Fri Aug 4 20:11:02 2017 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:11:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] pre- distortion on k3??? In-Reply-To: References: <94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com> <9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com> <02D2A8B7-3D13-4022-A260-BC541D8ADBE9@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: Now that we will have a tx sample out on the back of the KPA 1500, will it be the driver board or the final board and DSP board which will update the K3/K3S to allow pre distortion??? or am I missing an earlier announcement?.... bill ny9h From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Aug 4 20:18:22 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <4d7f3f54-dc4b-6ab9-1960-cec5eba012b5@bates.edu> References: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> <22cae5c71249b99dd0ae6d43e6aaa02c@k1szo.com> <99E0D065-2B46-41E8-8CFF-5D0C6DB9C019@elecraft.com> <4d7f3f54-dc4b-6ab9-1960-cec5eba012b5@bates.edu> Message-ID: <731C0108-62FD-499F-B3F6-4AA11069E4AA@wunderwood.org> From the Elecraft site, "KX3 Heatsink Upgrade Kit. Started shipping with S/N 7292 for kits, S/N 7255 for factory assembled. $39.95? http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3 Upgrade instructions are here: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740254%20KX3HSMDKT%20Heat%20Sink%20Installation%20rev%20A.pdf wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj KX3 #2985 http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:47 PM, David Haines wrote: > > Wayne. What serial number did you first install the new heat sink on the KX3? > > 73, > David > KC1DNY > > On 8/4/2017 7:42 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> David, >> >> The new heat sink roughly doubled key-down time in our lab tests. I?d suggest you try it as-is before investing in a third-party heat sink. I use RTTY at full power on my KX3 with just the new stock heat sink and have never had an issue. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 2:08 PM, k1szo at k1szo.com wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. >>> >>> So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find any reviews of it. >>> >>> I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a replacement. >>> >>> Regards, >>> David ~ K1SZO >>> >>> On 2017-08-04 14:10, Jim Ruff via Elecraft wrote: >>>> I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, >>>> and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost >>>> hot to the touch. The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay. >>>> Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what >>>> products in your opinion are the best? >>>> Thanks,JimW7JHR >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to k1szo at k1szo.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dhaines at bates.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From KY5G at montac.com Fri Aug 4 20:45:36 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 19:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome!!! Thanks, Tom! It just keeps getting better and better! Note... Once you open the drop-down and a value is highlighted, you can use the arrow keys to go up and down the list while listening instead of futzing with the mouse each change... Right Click on NR, Left click on displayed value, then arrow up or down one click per setting choice... Also finally started using the TX EQ presets.... For some reason, my radio frequently loses my standard setting: (-16,-16,-16,-12,0,0,+3,+3) Now that it's in a preset, it'll only take one click to restore it! LOVE this software! 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/4/2017 6:29 PM, Tom wrote: > Hello, > There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and KX2. This release provides support for a few firmware changes in the K3 current beta and future release. > In addition, the Noise Reduction control now supports setting the level of noise reduction by right clicking the NR button and selecting one of 32 different levels. It fun to play around with this control to see the difference it can make. > > Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for your Elecraft Radio. It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500. In addition, it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or hardware devices to share the radio. It integrates with HRD LogBook and DM780, DXLab, Log4OM, WSJT-X, N1MM+, you name it! > > You can see an overview here: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU > > and some reviews here: > http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214 > > Check out how to use the built in Spectrum Scope! > > https://youtu.be/bzCjWOjj9ns > > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com From huntinhmb at coastside.net Fri Aug 4 20:50:30 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:50:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <822D80AF-6611-48DD-9A09-668B58CDCFB1@coastside.net> The "TUNE" tones from both applications (FLDIGI & WSJT-X) looks like a single frequency and is a pretty decent sine wave on the scope, although "pretty decent" is hard to quantify. It's more like the 500 Hz and its harmonics are beating with some process within the K3. The "pulsing " isn't apparent in the RF output power, at least as far as I can measure, so it may just be an audio artifact. Moving off those frequencies is certainly a work around for setting the audio drive level. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Aug 4, 2017, at 16:45, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off the standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. > > Wayne > N6KR >> From k6mr at outlook.com Fri Aug 4 21:10:19 2017 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:10:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] pre- distortion on k3??? In-Reply-To: <20170805001303.91791149AD98@mailman.qth.net> References: <94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com> <9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com> <02D2A8B7-3D13-4022-A260-BC541D8ADBE9@voodoolab.com> , <20170805001303.91791149AD98@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Probably have to wait for the K4? Ken K6MR From: bill steffey Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 17:13 To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] pre- distortion on k3??? Now that we will have a tx sample out on the back of the KPA 1500, will it be the driver board or the final board and DSP board which will update the K3/K3S to allow pre distortion??? or am I missing an earlier announcement?.... bill ny9h ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From smbertuzzo at bell.net Fri Aug 4 21:37:15 2017 From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 21:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KPA500 Remote software Server / Client issue Message-ID: <971621674.520944.1501897036014.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui02> From raysills3 at verizon.net Fri Aug 4 21:51:11 2017 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 21:51:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15db016cfc0-a84-1d57@webprd-a23.mail.aol.com> I have the PAE heat sink as well. Very pleased with it. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 -----Original Message----- From: Ken G Kopp To: k1szo Cc: Elecraft ; Jim Ruff Sent: Fri, Aug 4, 2017 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink My preference is for the ProAudio Engineering sink. FWIW 73 Ken - K0PP On Aug 4, 2017 3:09 PM, wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I recently purchased my KX3 and intend on doing a lot of digital modes. I > looked into 3rd party heatsinks, but was notified that Elecraft uses a new > improved heatsink that wraps around the bottom of the KX3. > > So my question to you is, do you have the newer KX3 Elecraft heatsink or > the older model? I was going to work mine first to see how hot it gets > before making a move if the newer heatsink is acceptable. I can't find > any reviews of it. > > I will definitely be watching this thread to figure out if I too want to > purchase the 3rd party Pro Audio Engineering KX32 Ultimate Heatsink as a > replacement. > > Regards, > David ~ K1SZO > > On 2017-08-04 14:10, Jim Ruff via Elecraft wrote: > >> I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, >> and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost >> hot to the touch. The KXPA100, while warm, appears to be okay. >> Should I consider purchasing a heat sink for the the KX3? If so, what >> products in your opinion are the best? >> >> Thanks,JimW7JHR >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1szo at k1szo.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 4 22:02:48 2017 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 22:02:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] **Wanted** BEGALI TRAVELER LIGHT FOR MY ELECRAFT KX1/K2 Message-ID: <001801d30d8e$f05c3c10$d114b430$@ca> Looking for a Begali Traveler light key. Please let me know condition and price shipped. As well as color combination. Would prefer Blue with red but will consider all. PayPal ... Tks es 73 de ve3vtg 416 824-0569 From mpupeza at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 4 23:46:59 2017 From: mpupeza at sympatico.ca (mpupeza mpupeza) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads In-Reply-To: References: <887941255.540019.1501891818578.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> Message-ID: <1003976075.511899.1501904819378.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlfep10> Bob, et al, I installed the Koss UR40 pads on the CM-500 headset. I can't remember which video but the Yamaha and Koss are the same size pads. 73 Mike VE3EQP .....> > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" > Date: August 4, 2017 at 9:45 PM > > > Mike, > > Which video? Are you installing the new UR40 pads on a CM500 or on a KOSS? > > 73, > Bob, N6TV > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:10 PM, mpupeza mpupeza > wrote: > > > I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 Tax (S+H > > FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward to > > install. > > I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to loosen > > under the > > rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in less than a week. Much > > cheaper > > than a new headset. > > Mike VE3EQP .....> From pincon at erols.com Sat Aug 5 08:07:59 2017 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:07:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads In-Reply-To: <1003976075.511899.1501904819378.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlfep10> References: <887941255.540019.1501891818578.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> <1003976075.511899.1501904819378.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlfep10> Message-ID: <003001d30de3$7e701bd0$7b505370$@erols.com> If you get a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads, you'll never go back to that flaky vinyl surface that OEM Yamaha and Sony use. They may even be to exact same size too , so I'd bet the Sony type will fit the CM-500. I have both and they look identical. They're a tad pricier at about $23 than the cheap Chicom replacements and best price I've found on them is from Sweetwater Music. As a side note, I bought a cheap set of pads for a couple bucks, and they ruined the sound of the Sony's, because they were too small and didn't fit my ears properly. They are now in the trash. The Beyerdynamics fit perfectly and are very comfortable. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mpupeza mpupeza Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:47 PM To: Bob Wilson, N6TV ; elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads Bob, et al, I installed the Koss UR40 pads on the CM-500 headset. I can't remember which video but the Yamaha and Koss are the same size pads. 73 Mike VE3EQP .....> > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" > Date: August 4, 2017 at 9:45 PM > > > Mike, > > Which video? Are you installing the new UR40 pads on a CM500 or on a KOSS? > > 73, > Bob, N6TV > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:10 PM, mpupeza mpupeza > wrote: > > > I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 > > Tax (S+H > > FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward > > to install. > > I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to > > loosen under the rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in > > less than a week. Much cheaper than a new headset. > > Mike VE3EQP .....> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 5 09:12:22 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 09:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads In-Reply-To: <003001d30de3$7e701bd0$7b505370$@erols.com> References: <887941255.540019.1501891818578.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> <1003976075.511899.1501904819378.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlfep10> <003001d30de3$7e701bd0$7b505370$@erols.com> Message-ID: <37ca9b23-c2b9-d461-faee-dcd0dd3dcdca@subich.com> On 8/5/2017 8:07 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > If you get a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads, you'll never go back > to that flaky vinyl surface that OEM Yamaha and Sony use. What model number and have you actually tried them on the CM-500? I tried a couple of the generic replacements with the CM-500 and was never able to make them fit properly. Still have my original CM-500 without earpads in the junk box until I find replacements that will fit. I'm about to order the Koss replacements, but if I could get a higher quality version that *is known to fit*, I'd jump on them. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/5/2017 8:07 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > If you get a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads, you'll never go back to that > flaky vinyl surface that OEM Yamaha and Sony use. > > They may even be to exact same size too , so I'd bet the Sony type will fit > the CM-500. I have both and they look identical. > > They're a tad pricier at about $23 than the cheap Chicom replacements and > best price I've found on them is from Sweetwater Music. > > As a side note, I bought a cheap set of pads for a couple bucks, and they > ruined the sound of the Sony's, because they were too small and didn't fit > my ears properly. > They are now in the trash. The Beyerdynamics fit perfectly and are very > comfortable. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mpupeza mpupeza > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:47 PM > To: Bob Wilson, N6TV ; elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads > > Bob, et al, > I installed the Koss UR40 pads on the CM-500 headset. I can't remember which > video but the Yamaha and Koss are the same size pads. > 73 > Mike VE3EQP .....> > >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" >> Date: August 4, 2017 at 9:45 PM >> >> >> Mike, >> >> Which video? Are you installing the new UR40 pads on a CM500 or on a > KOSS? >> >> 73, >> Bob, N6TV >> >> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:10 PM, mpupeza mpupeza >> wrote: >> >>> I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 >>> Tax (S+H >>> FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward >>> to install. >>> I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to >>> loosen under the rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in >>> less than a week. Much cheaper than a new headset. >>> Mike VE3EQP .....> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w4sc at windstream.net Sat Aug 5 09:26:39 2017 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 09:26:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink In-Reply-To: <1467510910.5936488.1501870239154@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <872916F3302D43EABB74C1ADB89D21B8@z22z28> Hi Jim, I purchased the PRO-Audio KX31 heat sink for my KX3. After looking at the available designs at the time, the choices were narrowed to two. The KX31, and VE7 designs. The larger ultimate KX32 and VE7,nor the improved Elecraft designs were available at the time. The deciding reason I chose the KX31 over the available VE7 design was aesthetic. I liked the ?rounding over? of the dissipating fins and that the tool access to the mounting screws were on centers that did not cut through any fins. The differences between the cost negligible, and performance, are extremely small. 73 de Ben W4SC From no-reply at dropbox.com Sat Aug 5 09:28:50 2017 From: no-reply at dropbox.com (Bob McGraw (via Dropbox)) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 13:28:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Bob_McGraw_shared_=22Video_Aug_04=2C_8_12_25?= =?utf-8?q?_AM=2Emov=22_with_you?= Message-ID: <0101015db2958646-afeaf22c-7b14-49b4-8ece-52d4189b1e9a-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> Hi there, Bob McGraw (rmcgraw at blomand.net) invited you to view the file " Video Aug 04, 8 12 25 AM.mov " on Dropbox. View file[1] Enjoy! The Dropbox team [1]: https://www.dropbox.com/l/scl/AADoHu_nZmv9G1nh74IkEalt3EpXY33adJY From Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com Sat Aug 5 10:03:48 2017 From: Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com (Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:03:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - speaker relays ssb transmission??? Message-ID: <89378A05-190D-4190-98AF-1BFB1B60346B@nc.rr.com> When I key my MH3 mic (on KX2) the radio keys, but also my speaker sends out my voice too. I hear myself, loud, as I am transmitting. What setting do I change to stop the transmission that I send, from come through the speaker too? Steve - KI4EZL From z_kevino at hotmail.com Sat Aug 5 10:06:47 2017 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 14:06:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - speaker relays ssb transmission??? In-Reply-To: <89378A05-190D-4190-98AF-1BFB1B60346B@nc.rr.com> References: <89378A05-190D-4190-98AF-1BFB1B60346B@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: You need to MONITOR level - read the manual and it has instructions. No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:05, "Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com" > wrote: When I key my MH3 mic (on KX2) the radio keys, but also my speaker sends out my voice too. I hear myself, loud, as I am transmitting. What setting do I change to stop the transmission that I send, from come through the speaker too? Steve - KI4EZL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 5 10:15:03 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:15:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - speaker relays ssb transmission??? In-Reply-To: <89378A05-190D-4190-98AF-1BFB1B60346B@nc.rr.com> References: <89378A05-190D-4190-98AF-1BFB1B60346B@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3653e33e-2c5a-381a-edcc-1b4828e6f714@embarqmail.com> Steve, Easy, just turn the MONitor volume to zero. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2017 10:03 AM, Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com wrote: > When I key my MH3 mic (on KX2) the radio keys, but also my speaker sends out my voice too. I hear myself, loud, as I am transmitting. What setting do I change to stop the transmission that I send, from come through the speaker too? > > Steve - KI4EZL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com Sat Aug 5 10:15:56 2017 From: Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com (Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Speaker... works fine now. Thanks Message-ID: <8A88C61B-0A5F-4911-8084-70A70F8BAB56@nc.rr.com> Adjusting Monitor setting to 0 worked nicely. Thank you, Steve - KI4EZL From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 5 10:27:08 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 09:27:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S ALC video Message-ID: <96835369-c74e-15f9-488e-ac59f780772e@blomand.net> Several have asked, this link should work. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 https://www.dropbox.com/s/an06t907tx8xgid/Video%20Aug%2004%2C%208%2012%2025%20AM.mov?dl=0 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 5 11:14:06 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:14:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Wayne, There are no beat notes. These frequencies, at least from the FT8 program in Tune mode are single frequency. Based upon output RF spectrum measurements*, with for example 1010 Hz input and 4-5 bars of ALC, I see spurious or intermodulation sidebands, down -65 dBc. If I change nothing else but adjust the tone frequency to 1000 Hz the spectrum is the same but the ALC bars are cyclic, going from none to 4-5, at about the 2 HZ rate Brian reported earlier. (Slow ALC in action?) That's the good news. If I set the tone to 1500 Hz, the FT8 mid-band target, I'm presented with the cyclic ALC and some ~193 Hz, -50 dBc sidebands. I have tried this with both the K3S internal sound card and via Line In/Out into my laptop sound card. The results are more-or-less the same. But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the internal sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows gain at less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. I would suggest that you do some measurements with a low-distortion sine wave audio source run into the radio to eliminate the possibility that this junk is a result of all of the digitally generated tones. If this (what I will call a) problem continues to exist then I think a fix is in order. Expecting users to select particular frequencies to use to set gain levels isn't an acceptable workaround. Regards, Wes N7WS * My "spectrum analyzer" is my SDR-IQ which I have used to measure TX IMD on both my K3 and K3S. Your IMD measurements on my K3S concurred with mine within 1 dB or less. On 8/4/2017 4:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off the standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. > > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Aug 4, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. >> >> This probably explains the great variability in results reported. Some of us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you talking about? >> >> Wes, N7WS >> >> >> On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: >>> Here's some followup: >>> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 Hz. >>> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >>> >>> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 filter center frequency has no effect on the above. >>> >>> 73, >>> Brian, K0DTJ >>> >>> On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). At the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at a selected 10 watts. >>>> >>>> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". >>>> >>>> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this out to the group. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>> From kb2m at arrl.net Sat Aug 5 11:15:40 2017 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:15:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads References: <887941255.540019.1501891818578.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> <1003976075.511899.1501904819378.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlfep10> <003001d30de3$7e701bd0$7b505370$@erols.com> <37ca9b23-c2b9-d461-faee-dcd0dd3dcdca@subich.com> Message-ID: <05f901d30dfd$b39108f0$1ab31ad0$@net> News flash! If you don't complete your order at Koss and then wait a bit, you will get an email from them offering free shipping. So I turned around and ordered 2 set's for $10.00 with free shipping.... 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Griffin [mailto:jeff_griffin at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 9:38 AM To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads I was also going to order a replacement set from Koss. The $5.00 I had no problem with, but the $12.95 to ship was a bit much. Now I'm also interested in a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads... 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 9:12 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads On 8/5/2017 8:07 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > If you get a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads, you'll never go back to > that flaky vinyl surface that OEM Yamaha and Sony use. What model number and have you actually tried them on the CM-500? I tried a couple of the generic replacements with the CM-500 and was never able to make them fit properly. Still have my original CM-500 without earpads in the junk box until I find replacements that will fit. I'm about to order the Koss replacements, but if I could get a higher quality version that *is known to fit*, I'd jump on them. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/5/2017 8:07 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > If you get a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads, you'll never go back to > that flaky vinyl surface that OEM Yamaha and Sony use. > > They may even be to exact same size too , so I'd bet the Sony type > will fit the CM-500. I have both and they look identical. > > They're a tad pricier at about $23 than the cheap Chicom replacements > and best price I've found on them is from Sweetwater Music. > > As a side note, I bought a cheap set of pads for a couple bucks, and > they ruined the sound of the Sony's, because they were too small and > didn't fit my ears properly. > They are now in the trash. The Beyerdynamics fit perfectly and are > very comfortable. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mpupeza mpupeza > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:47 PM > To: Bob Wilson, N6TV ; elecraft > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads > > Bob, et al, > I installed the Koss UR40 pads on the CM-500 headset. I can't remember > which video but the Yamaha and Koss are the same size pads. > 73 > Mike VE3EQP .....> > >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" >> Date: August 4, 2017 at 9:45 PM >> >> >> Mike, >> >> Which video? Are you installing the new UR40 pads on a CM500 or on a > KOSS? >> >> 73, >> Bob, N6TV From ka5y at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 11:42:19 2017 From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:42:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale - Gamma Research HPS-1a Message-ID: <1501947739922-7633123.post@n2.nabble.com> Very small power supply, used it to power my K3 and my KX3 wKXPA100 works as it should. Used in RV to conserve space. Modified with PowerPole pigtail instead of the molex. Here's a review done by AD5X http://www.ad5x.com/images/Presentations/GammaHPS-1a.pdf Asking $175 shipped consider trade for Elecraft SP3. Paypal preferred or personal check. Contact me offline. 73 Tex ka5y at yahoo.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/For-Sale-Gamma-Research-HPS-1a-tp7633123.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 5 11:46:41 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:46:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S ALC video In-Reply-To: <96835369-c74e-15f9-488e-ac59f780772e@blomand.net> References: <96835369-c74e-15f9-488e-ac59f780772e@blomand.net> Message-ID: <99835a62-7b72-e425-1537-c69ffc7729a8@triconet.org> OK, I see it now. What's the point? Wes N7WS On 8/5/2017 7:27 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Several have asked, this link should work. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > K3S s/n 10163 > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/an06t907tx8xgid/Video%20Aug%2004%2C%208%2012%2025%20AM.mov?dl=0 > From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 12:14:59 2017 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 13:14:59 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads In-Reply-To: <05f901d30dfd$b39108f0$1ab31ad0$@net> References: <887941255.540019.1501891818578.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> <1003976075.511899.1501904819378.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlfep10> <003001d30de3$7e701bd0$7b505370$@erols.com> <37ca9b23-c2b9-d461-faee-dcd0dd3dcdca@subich.com> <05f901d30dfd$b39108f0$1ab31ad0$@net> Message-ID: They offer free shipping, so dont need to wait, just change shipping options 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> 2017-08-05 12:15 GMT-03:00 Jeff Griffin : > News flash! If you don't complete your order at Koss and then wait a bit, > you will get an email from them offering free shipping. So I turned around > and ordered 2 set's for $10.00 with free shipping.... > > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Griffin [mailto:jeff_griffin at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 9:38 AM > To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads > > I was also going to order a replacement set from Koss. The $5.00 I had no > problem with, but the $12.95 to ship was a bit much. Now I'm also > interested > in a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads... > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV > Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 9:12 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads > > > On 8/5/2017 8:07 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > If you get a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads, you'll never go back to > > that flaky vinyl surface that OEM Yamaha and Sony use. > > What model number and have you actually tried them on the CM-500? > > I tried a couple of the generic replacements with the CM-500 and was never > able to make them fit properly. Still have my original CM-500 without > earpads in the junk box until I find replacements that will fit. I'm about > to order the Koss replacements, but if I could get a higher quality version > that *is known to fit*, I'd jump on them. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 8/5/2017 8:07 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > If you get a set of Beyerdynamics velour pads, you'll never go back to > > that flaky vinyl surface that OEM Yamaha and Sony use. > > > > They may even be to exact same size too , so I'd bet the Sony type > > will fit the CM-500. I have both and they look identical. > > > > They're a tad pricier at about $23 than the cheap Chicom replacements > > and best price I've found on them is from Sweetwater Music. > > > > As a side note, I bought a cheap set of pads for a couple bucks, and > > they ruined the sound of the Sony's, because they were too small and > > didn't fit my ears properly. > > They are now in the trash. The Beyerdynamics fit perfectly and are > > very comfortable. > > > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mpupeza mpupeza > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:47 PM > > To: Bob Wilson, N6TV ; elecraft > > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads > > > > Bob, et al, > > I installed the Koss UR40 pads on the CM-500 headset. I can't remember > > which video but the Yamaha and Koss are the same size pads. > > 73 > > Mike VE3EQP .....> > > > >> ---------- Original Message ---------- > >> From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" > >> Date: August 4, 2017 at 9:45 PM > >> > >> > >> Mike, > >> > >> Which video? Are you installing the new UR40 pads on a CM500 or on a > > KOSS? > >> > >> 73, > >> Bob, N6TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From n9tf at comcast.net Sat Aug 5 12:16:55 2017 From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1742011187.51712.1501949815369@connect.xfinity.com> I agree with Wes on his below statement. Same here exactly. Gene N9TF > > On August 5, 2017 at 10:14 AM Wes Stewart wrote: > > > I have tried this with both the K3S internal sound card and via Line In/Out into > my laptop sound card. The results are more-or-less the same. But IMHO, you > need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the internal sound card; it is > way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows gain at less than 5% and Line > In at 10 or less. > From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 5 12:39:56 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Message-ID: On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the > internal sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the > Windows gain at less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. Actually, you need to adjust the options in the Windows *.inf file used for the PCM-series CODEC (or use the codec that identifies as line level). Windows is turning on a 20 dB preamp in the CODEC. I suspect if one sets the Windows Sound Options (Control Panel) to display dB rather than percentage, the minimum level will be some- thing like 16 to 20 dB! That indicated the fixed 20 dB "mic preamp" is engaged. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Wayne, > > There are no beat notes. These frequencies, at least from the FT8 > program in Tune mode are single frequency. Based upon output RF > spectrum measurements*, with for example 1010 Hz input and 4-5 bars of > ALC, I see spurious or intermodulation sidebands, down -65 dBc. If I > change nothing else but adjust the tone frequency to 1000 Hz the > spectrum is the same but the ALC bars are cyclic, going from none to > 4-5, at about the 2 HZ rate Brian reported earlier. (Slow ALC in > action?) That's the good news. > > If I set the tone to 1500 Hz, the FT8 mid-band target, I'm presented > with the cyclic ALC and some ~193 Hz, -50 dBc sidebands. > > I have tried this with both the K3S internal sound card and via Line > In/Out into my laptop sound card. The results are more-or-less the > same. But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the > internal sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the > Windows gain at less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. > > I would suggest that you do some measurements with a low-distortion sine > wave audio source run into the radio to eliminate the possibility that > this junk is a result of all of the digitally generated tones. > > If this (what I will call a) problem continues to exist then I think a > fix is in order. Expecting users to select particular frequencies to > use to set gain levels isn't an acceptable workaround. > > Regards, > > Wes N7WS > > > * My "spectrum analyzer" is my SDR-IQ which I have used to measure TX > IMD on both my K3 and K3S. Your IMD > measurements on my K3S concurred with mine within 1 dB or less. > > On 8/4/2017 4:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is >> what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off >> the standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> >>> Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. >>> >>> This probably explains the great variability in results reported. >>> Some of us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you >>> talking about? >>> >>> Wes, N7WS >>> >>> >>> On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>> Here's some followup: >>>> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, >>>> 1500, and 2000 Hz. >>>> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, >>>> 1500 and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >>>> >>>> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the >>>> output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the >>>> K3 filter center frequency has no effect on the above. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>> >>>> On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>>> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope >>>>> today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB >>>>> soundcard output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI >>>>> in TUNE mode was rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, >>>>> the level oscillated in time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz >>>>> (timed with a stop watch). At the same time the K3 power output >>>>> into a dummy load was rock solid at a selected 10 watts. >>>>> >>>>> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz >>>>> and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC >>>>> to the desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered >>>>> (and verified) that the default filter center in DATA A mode is >>>>> 1500 Hz. I changed the filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved >>>>> the FLDIGI frequency around but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". >>>>> >>>>> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get >>>>> this out to the group. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 13:44:47 2017 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:44:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Message-ID: Joe, are you talking about the wdma_usb.inf file to disable the 20 dB mic boost? I have been searching around for details on making the inf change in Windows 10. I may be missing something in the search, but if you have modified the inf file for Windows 10, I would be really helpful if you have more details. I looked carefully through wdma_usb.inf and I can't see anything obvious. From windows 10 in my case. Max NG7M On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > >> But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the internal >> sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows gain at >> less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. >> > > Actually, you need to adjust the options in the Windows *.inf file > used for the PCM-series CODEC (or use the codec that identifies as > line level). Windows is turning on a 20 dB preamp in the CODEC. > > I suspect if one sets the Windows Sound Options (Control Panel) to > display dB rather than percentage, the minimum level will be some- > thing like 16 to 20 dB! That indicated the fixed 20 dB "mic preamp" > is engaged. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > >> Wayne, >> >> There are no beat notes. These frequencies, at least from the FT8 program >> in Tune mode are single frequency. Based upon output RF spectrum >> measurements*, with for example 1010 Hz input and 4-5 bars of ALC, I see >> spurious or intermodulation sidebands, down -65 dBc. If I change nothing >> else but adjust the tone frequency to 1000 Hz the spectrum is the same but >> the ALC bars are cyclic, going from none to 4-5, at about the 2 HZ rate >> Brian reported earlier. (Slow ALC in action?) That's the good news. >> >> If I set the tone to 1500 Hz, the FT8 mid-band target, I'm presented with >> the cyclic ALC and some ~193 Hz, -50 dBc sidebands. >> >> I have tried this with both the K3S internal sound card and via Line >> In/Out into my laptop sound card. The results are more-or-less the same. >> But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the internal >> sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows gain at >> less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. >> >> I would suggest that you do some measurements with a low-distortion sine >> wave audio source run into the radio to eliminate the possibility that this >> junk is a result of all of the digitally generated tones. >> >> If this (what I will call a) problem continues to exist then I think a >> fix is in order. Expecting users to select particular frequencies to use >> to set gain levels isn't an acceptable workaround. >> >> Regards, >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> >> * My "spectrum analyzer" is my SDR-IQ which I have used to measure TX IMD >> on both my K3 and K3S. Your IMD >> measurements on my K3S concurred with mine within 1 dB or less. >> >> On 8/4/2017 4:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >>> Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is >>> what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off the >>> standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>>> >>>> Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. >>>> >>>> This probably explains the great variability in results reported. Some >>>> of us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you talking about? >>>> >>>> Wes, N7WS >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here's some followup: >>>>> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, >>>>> 1500, and 2000 Hz. >>>>> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 >>>>> and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >>>>> >>>>> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the >>>>> output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 >>>>> filter center frequency has no effect on the above. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>>> >>>>> On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope >>>>>> today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard >>>>>> output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was >>>>>> rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in >>>>>> time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). At >>>>>> the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at a >>>>>> selected 10 watts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz >>>>>> and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the >>>>>> desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) >>>>>> that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the >>>>>> filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around >>>>>> but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". >>>>>> >>>>>> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get >>>>>> this out to the group. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.matthew.george at gmail.com > -- M. George From etksubs at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 14:11:18 2017 From: etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 14:11:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 CAT to Rigblaster Advantage Message-ID: <8371F07C-08F3-4B08-B7F7-869B0A202E0C@gmail.com> The Rigblaster Advantage has both 3.5mm TTL CI-V/CAT and DB9 RS-232 interfaces, but it?s not clear which would be best to connect to the KX3/KX2. Googling found old posts that the KX3 ACC1 is flexible enough to handle either, so easiest would be a 3.5mm stereo mini cable, but does it have to be straight through or crossover? If I use 3.5mm to DB9 would it be direct connection or is a special level converter cable needed? I have many USB-serial cables for my KX3/PX3/KXPA100/KX2, never thought to specify the DB9 version for any of them just to have one handy? :-/ Thanks and 73, Erik Tkal - W1QED From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 5 15:24:23 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:24:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Message-ID: <467748d0-ff7a-223f-ea8d-75e0aec72dfa@triconet.org> Except when the sound card is in the computer instead of the radio, "Line In" is receiving signal from the program via the sound card 'speaker' output, not the microphone. Moving the card into the radio doesn't change this. The only thing changed is it's too darned sensitive. Regards, Wes N7WS On 8/5/2017 9:39 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the internal >> sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows gain at >> less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. > > Actually, you need to adjust the options in the Windows *.inf file > used for the PCM-series CODEC (or use the codec that identifies as > line level). Windows is turning on a 20 dB preamp in the CODEC. > > I suspect if one sets the Windows Sound Options (Control Panel) to > display dB rather than percentage, the minimum level will be some- > thing like 16 to 20 dB! That indicated the fixed 20 dB "mic preamp" > is engaged. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> There are no beat notes. These frequencies, at least from the FT8 program in >> Tune mode are single frequency. Based upon output RF spectrum measurements*, >> with for example 1010 Hz input and 4-5 bars of ALC, I see spurious or >> intermodulation sidebands, down -65 dBc. If I change nothing else but adjust >> the tone frequency to 1000 Hz the spectrum is the same but the ALC bars are >> cyclic, going from none to 4-5, at about the 2 HZ rate Brian reported >> earlier. (Slow ALC in action?) That's the good news. >> >> If I set the tone to 1500 Hz, the FT8 mid-band target, I'm presented with the >> cyclic ALC and some ~193 Hz, -50 dBc sidebands. >> >> I have tried this with both the K3S internal sound card and via Line In/Out >> into my laptop sound card. The results are more-or-less the same. But IMHO, >> you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the internal sound card; >> it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows gain at less than 5% >> and Line In at 10 or less. >> >> I would suggest that you do some measurements with a low-distortion sine wave >> audio source run into the radio to eliminate the possibility that this junk >> is a result of all of the digitally generated tones. >> >> If this (what I will call a) problem continues to exist then I think a fix is >> in order. Expecting users to select particular frequencies to use to set >> gain levels isn't an acceptable workaround. >> >> Regards, >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> >> * My "spectrum analyzer" is my SDR-IQ which I have used to measure TX IMD on >> both my K3 and K3S. Your IMD >> measurements on my K3S concurred with mine within 1 dB or less. >> >> On 8/4/2017 4:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is >>> what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off the >>> standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>>> >>>> Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. >>>> >>>> This probably explains the great variability in results reported. Some of >>>> us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you talking about? >>>> >>>> Wes, N7WS >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>>> Here's some followup: >>>>> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, >>>>> and 2000 Hz. >>>>> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 and >>>>> 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >>>>> >>>>> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the output >>>>> and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 filter >>>>> center frequency has no effect on the above. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>>> >>>>> On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>>>> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope today. >>>>>> I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard output >>>>>> to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was rock >>>>>> solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in >>>>>> time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). >>>>>> At the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at >>>>>> a selected 10 watts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz and >>>>>> the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the >>>>>> desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) >>>>>> that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the >>>>>> filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around >>>>>> but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". >>>>>> >>>>>> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this >>>>>> out to the group. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>>>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 5 15:34:20 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 15:34:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 CAT to Rigblaster Advantage In-Reply-To: <8371F07C-08F3-4B08-B7F7-869B0A202E0C@gmail.com> References: <8371F07C-08F3-4B08-B7F7-869B0A202E0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <687036f7-e855-59fa-19dd-3707917f88fc@embarqmail.com> Erik, Use the RS-232 interface, but you will need the KXSER cable to connect the KX3/2 to the DB9 connector. You can order it from Elecraft or construct your own. If you do not have the parts on hand but still want to build it, order the kit of parts W1SERKT from Elecraft. I am certain the schematic appears in other places, but one I know about is on page 30 of the XG3 Owner's Manual - download it from the Elecraft website. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2017 2:11 PM, Erik Tkal wrote: > The Rigblaster Advantage has both 3.5mm TTL CI-V/CAT and DB9 RS-232 interfaces, but it?s not clear which would be best to connect to the KX3/KX2. > > Googling found old posts that the KX3 ACC1 is flexible enough to handle either, so easiest would be a 3.5mm stereo mini cable, but does it have to be straight through or crossover? If I use 3.5mm to DB9 would it be direct connection or is a special level converter cable needed? I have many USB-serial cables for my KX3/PX3/KXPA100/KX2, never thought to specify the DB9 version for any of them just to have one handy? :-/ > > > Thanks and 73, > Erik Tkal - W1QED > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From n0hhs at arrl.net Sat Aug 5 15:45:25 2017 From: n0hhs at arrl.net (Eric Ward) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 15:45:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: For Sale KPA100 kit new in box Message-ID: 100W option kit for K2, box never opened. Purchased at Dayton in May 2016, I've downsized to an apartment and am unlikely to build it. Would like to get it into hands of someone who will. Asking $350 plus shipping. ($489.95 new) 73 Eric N0HHS From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 15:47:22 2017 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 13:47:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <467748d0-ff7a-223f-ea8d-75e0aec72dfa@triconet.org> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> <467748d0-ff7a-223f-ea8d-75e0aec72dfa@triconet.org> Message-ID: Wes, I understand that... assuming you are responding to me... I was asking Joe what .inf file to modify and then reinstall the USB CODEC generic driver to disable the irritating microphone boost which makes it too sensitive. I'm taking about the KIO3B USB CODEC here... Max NG7M On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Except when the sound card is in the computer instead of the radio, "Line > In" is receiving signal from the program via the sound card 'speaker' > output, not the microphone. Moving the card into the radio doesn't change > this. The only thing changed is it's too darned sensitive. > > Regards, > > Wes N7WS > > > On 8/5/2017 9:39 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> >> On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >>> But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the >>> internal sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows >>> gain at less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. >>> >> >> Actually, you need to adjust the options in the Windows *.inf file >> used for the PCM-series CODEC (or use the codec that identifies as >> line level). Windows is turning on a 20 dB preamp in the CODEC. >> >> I suspect if one sets the Windows Sound Options (Control Panel) to >> display dB rather than percentage, the minimum level will be some- >> thing like 16 to 20 dB! That indicated the fixed 20 dB "mic preamp" >> is engaged. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >>> Wayne, >>> >>> There are no beat notes. These frequencies, at least from the FT8 >>> program in Tune mode are single frequency. Based upon output RF spectrum >>> measurements*, with for example 1010 Hz input and 4-5 bars of ALC, I see >>> spurious or intermodulation sidebands, down -65 dBc. If I change nothing >>> else but adjust the tone frequency to 1000 Hz the spectrum is the same but >>> the ALC bars are cyclic, going from none to 4-5, at about the 2 HZ rate >>> Brian reported earlier. (Slow ALC in action?) That's the good news. >>> >>> If I set the tone to 1500 Hz, the FT8 mid-band target, I'm presented >>> with the cyclic ALC and some ~193 Hz, -50 dBc sidebands. >>> >>> I have tried this with both the K3S internal sound card and via Line >>> In/Out into my laptop sound card. The results are more-or-less the same. >>> But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the internal >>> sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows gain at >>> less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. >>> >>> I would suggest that you do some measurements with a low-distortion sine >>> wave audio source run into the radio to eliminate the possibility that this >>> junk is a result of all of the digitally generated tones. >>> >>> If this (what I will call a) problem continues to exist then I think a >>> fix is in order. Expecting users to select particular frequencies to use >>> to set gain levels isn't an acceptable workaround. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Wes N7WS >>> >>> >>> * My "spectrum analyzer" is my SDR-IQ which I have used to measure TX >>> IMD on both my K3 and K3S. Your IMD >>> measurements on my K3S concurred with mine within 1 dB or less. >>> >>> On 8/4/2017 4:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>>> Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is >>>> what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off the >>>> standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. >>>>> >>>>> This probably explains the great variability in results reported. Some >>>>> of us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you talking about? >>>>> >>>>> Wes, N7WS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here's some followup: >>>>>> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, >>>>>> 1500, and 2000 Hz. >>>>>> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, >>>>>> 1500 and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >>>>>> >>>>>> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the >>>>>> output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 >>>>>> filter center frequency has no effect on the above. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope >>>>>>> today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard >>>>>>> output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was >>>>>>> rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in >>>>>>> time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). At >>>>>>> the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at a >>>>>>> selected 10 watts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz >>>>>>> and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the >>>>>>> desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) >>>>>>> that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the >>>>>>> filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around >>>>>>> but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get >>>>>>> this out to the group. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, >>>>>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.matthew.george at gmail.com > -- M. George From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 5 15:58:22 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:58:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> <467748d0-ff7a-223f-ea8d-75e0aec72dfa@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5b89bc10-298c-c427-cb77-aad629d7deb4@triconet.org> Nope, I was responding to Joe. I top posted right above his commentary per Elecraft list guidelines. On 8/5/2017 12:47 PM, M. George wrote: > Wes, I understand that... assuming you are responding to me... I was asking > Joe what .inf file to modify and then reinstall the USB CODEC generic > driver to disable the irritating microphone boost which makes it too > sensitive. I'm taking about the KIO3B USB CODEC here... Max NG7M > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > >> Except when the sound card is in the computer instead of the radio, "Line >> In" is receiving signal from the program via the sound card 'speaker' >> output, not the microphone. Moving the card into the radio doesn't change >> this. The only thing changed is it's too darned sensitive. >> >> Regards, >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> >> On 8/5/2017 9:39 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> On 8/5/2017 11:14 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> >>>> But IMHO, you need to put a 30 dB attenuator on the input of the >>>> internal sound card; it is way too sensitive. I'm having to run the Windows >>>> gain at less than 5% and Line In at 10 or less. >>>> >>> Actually, you need to adjust the options in the Windows *.inf file >>> used for the PCM-series CODEC (or use the codec that identifies as >>> line level). Windows is turning on a 20 dB preamp in the CODEC. >>> >>> I suspect if one sets the Windows Sound Options (Control Panel) to >>> display dB rather than percentage, the minimum level will be some- >>> thing like 16 to 20 dB! That indicated the fixed 20 dB "mic preamp" >>> is engaged. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sat Aug 5 16:01:35 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 13:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Message-ID: Here are some spectrum photos from the tune signals of both FLDIGI and WSJT-X 1.8. All three are essentially identical showing some low level sideband noise +/- 30 kHz and down > 60dBc. There's no apparent difference in the spectra between pumping and non-pumping ALC, as Wes reported. http://www.pbase.com/brhunt/spectrum_photos Enjoy! 73, Brian, K0DTJ From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 5 16:26:48 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 13:26:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Message-ID: <416d053c-69f6-5820-d089-3df2159cceb2@triconet.org> I said earlier: "If I set the tone to 1500 Hz, the FT8 mid-band target, I'm presented with the cyclic ALC and some ~193 Hz, -50 dBc sidebands. " Ten KHz/div is too coarse to see these. Try again. Wes N7WS On 8/5/2017 1:01 PM, Brian Hunt wrote: > Here are some spectrum photos from the tune signals of both FLDIGI and WSJT-X > 1.8. All three are essentially identical showing some low level sideband > noise +/- 30 kHz and down > 60dBc. There's no apparent difference in the > spectra between pumping and non-pumping ALC, as Wes reported. > > http://www.pbase.com/brhunt/spectrum_photos > > Enjoy! > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 5 16:43:01 2017 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:43:01 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I was thinking that as the "ALC" meter isn't really showing ALC, but audio level when below I believe 5 bars? - that the ALC isn't being modulated, rather what we may be seeing is an artefact caused by the way the peak level of the audio is detected by sampling the audio at a particular sampling rate. Because it isn't just a simple hardware analog peak detector that is used, the audio meter reading displayed will beat between the sampling rate of the audio detector and the actual frequency of the tone, even an absolutely pure tone with no harmonics. I have seen similar odd things happen with another make of radio with their power meter (which again is sampled) and AM modulation on the transmission. Putting a true analog power meter on the output showed no variation in power output, it was all an illusion. It's just one of those annoying things that happen when we aren't dealing with purely analog methods of detection of frequencies. You see similar aliases when using modern Digital Sampling Oscilloscopes. As you have pointed out the solution can only involve moving the software's tune frequency to a frequency that does not beat at such a visibly slow rate with the audio detector sampling rate. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 5 Aug 2017, at 00:45, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Is it possible that a beat note between tones (and their harmonics) is what?s modulating the ALC reading? If so, moving the tone slightly off the standard pitch may be an acceptable workaround. > > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Aug 4, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> Good find Brian!!! I see it too in FT8. >> >> This probably explains the great variability in results reported. Some of us have a problem, others say, Huh, what the heck are you talking about? >> >> Wes, N7WS >> >> >>> On 8/4/2017 11:33 AM, Brian Hunt wrote: >>> Here's some followup: >>> FLDIGI shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 Hz. >>> WSJT-X 1.8 shows the "pumping" affect with carrier tones of 1000, 1500 and 2000 Hz (couldn't select 500 Hz). >>> >>> The affect is very narrow with frequency. 10 Hz either way and the output and ALC display and MON output is rock solid. Changing the K3 filter center frequency has no effect on the above. >>> >>> 73, >>> Brian, K0DTJ >>> >>>> On 8/4/2017 10:58, Brian Hunt wrote: >>>> I spent some quality time with my K3, FLDIGI and an oscilloscope today. I had the same problem as described. Looking at my USB soundcard output to the K3, the amplitude of the audio from FLDIGI in TUNE mode was rock solid. Looking at the MON output from the K3, the level oscillated in time with the ALC "pumping" at about 2.4 Hz (timed with a stop watch). At the same time the K3 power output into a dummy load was rock solid at a selected 10 watts. >>>> >>>> Then I changed the carrier frequency in FLDIGI slightly off 1500 Hz and the "pumping" went away! At 1515 Hz I could easily set the ALC to the desired 4 bars solid, 5th flickering. Then I remembered (and verified) that the default filter center in DATA A mode is 1500 Hz. I changed the filter center frequency to 1450 Hz and moved the FLDIGI frequency around but couldn't reproduce the "pumping". >>>> >>>> I plan to repeat the same tests with WSJT-X 1.8 but wanted to get this out to the group. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Brian, K0DTJ >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From K1ND at comcast.net Sat Aug 5 17:53:52 2017 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 17:53:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heatsink discussion Message-ID: <8e163e39-f9db-35c1-18a2-1f77f3bf0bf5@comcast.net> I'm puzzled by the comment posted yesterday: by Jim W7JR ""I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost hot to the touch"" Why should the KX3 be heating up, when the AMP is running only 20W ? Is the KX3 "drive" not backed-down at this level ?? HELP Cheers, Jan K1ND From smbertuzzo at bell.net Sat Aug 5 21:13:23 2017 From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KPA500 Remote software Server / Client issue - This time in Text Format Message-ID: <1179602411.546978.1501982004011.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui02> Hello to the group. I have downloaded both the KAT500 and KPA500 remote software. I am using them at my remote site. I have a Windows 10 computer that I can access via Anydesk or Teamviewer. I am unable to connect to either program in a Server/Client combination. I keep getting a message that "failed to connect". What I have done so far is: I am able to Ping the host PC from a couple of other computers within the same network. I am able to get the programs working if I connect directly to the remote computer (using either the Host IP address or local host) I temporarily disabled all firewall programs on all computers I cannot connect from 2 separate computers on the same network (Windows 7) At the remote site I have an ethernet switch that I connected to directly and was still not able to access the computer about 5 feet away I have made sure that the port has been opened in my DSL router (although when using the same network I realize that this is not required) I have the latest firmware in both the KPA500 and KAT 500 Not quite sure what I am doing wrong. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated as I am presently at the remote site for the weekend. 73 Serge VA3SB From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 5 21:14:12 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 18:14:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Spectrum pic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e71b276-9b57-5bd2-1ce6-cf51420c620a@triconet.org> Thanks Brian. I've been reviewing my test setup. Because of limited USB ports on my normal station computer (laptop) I have been using a new (to me) desktop I'm building to be the station computer, to run both WSJT-X and my SDR-IQ software (SpectraVue) for this investigation. The sidebands I mentioned are quite noticeable but it started to not make sense to me in the way they moved as I changed the tone frequency. To eliminate possible crosstalk between programs I went back to the laptop running WSJT and used my other K3 as a manually tuned spectrum analyzer. The sidebands are still there but way down in the mud. I think I'm hearing what's being generated in the SDR-IQ but I have yet to prove that, or understand why they might be generated. It's not overload, the main signal and sidebands change amplitude dB per dB in sync with a stepped attenuator on the input. And as I said elsewhere, when I was suffering TX IMD issues this same receiver was used to document the problem and when the radio went back to Elecraft for mods, they agreed with my numbers. That said I decided to check calibration on the SDR-IQ while running on the new computer. A lot of the processing is done in the SDR-IQ so I didn't expect an issue other than tweaking FFT gain in the SpectraVue program. I connected the XG2 and tuned it in on 14.06 MHz. The trace was jumping in amplitude about 3-4 dB at about a 1 Hz rate. I also run Lady Heather via a serial port to a Motorola Oncore timing receiver (1PPS) and I've seen it take over my mouse before, making it jump all over the screen. So I disconnected the serial port without effect. I rebooted and started only SpectraVue and saw the same issue. One last experiment (for now) was to use a third computer to run the SDR-IQ. On this one everything is perfectly stable. So I have a baffling problem with one computer, unfortunately the one I was using to present earlier data, which are of course now suspect. Nevertheless, the cyclic ALC is still there and the difficulty in setting levels is too. Frankly, I don't know why I'm doing all of this for a mode that I don't even like. Regards, Wes On 8/5/2017 2:47 PM, Brian Hunt wrote: > Not seeing your -50 dBc side bands. Maybe there is a little blip at -68 dBc. Pic below is WSJT-X FT8 @ 1500 Hz with 100 Hz/division, BW 10 Hz. The old scope is pretty drifty at those numbers. ? > I'll add it to my photo site. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > > > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Aug 5 21:42:34 2017 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 21:42:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KPA500 Remote software Server / Client issue - This time in Text Format Message-ID: <55d2989a2e8163d6b93449d0148eba92@smtp.videotron.ca> HiThis might be a long shot but recently I ran into an issue where I could not access a iP to IR gateway for my home theater. It uses a web interface to allow configuration. I tried disabling all firewalls, all kinds of things. Then I went to another computer and it worked fine.?So I configured it, and later that day I got a message that there was a new version of my antivirus software which is Avast. So I installed it. Later that evening I went to update the gateway again and could not connect!?Perplexed I went to bed. Next morning I thought about it and said, hey what about the antivirus software? I disabled it and low and behold it worked on all PC's. Seems that antivirus software is now also restricting access to network devices that are not considered standard.?You might give it a try.?73 Tom?Va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Serge Bertuzzo Date: 2017-08-05 9:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KPA500 Remote software Server / Client issue - This time in Text Format Hello to the group. I have downloaded both the KAT500 and KPA500 remote software. I am using them at my remote site. I have a Windows 10 computer that I can access via Anydesk or Teamviewer. I am unable to connect to either program in a Server/Client combination. I keep getting a message that "failed to connect". What I have done so far is: I am able to Ping the host PC from a couple of other computers within the same network. I am able to get the programs working if I connect directly to the remote computer (using either the Host IP address or local host) I temporarily disabled all firewall programs on all computers I cannot connect from 2 separate computers on the same network (Windows 7) At the remote site I have an ethernet switch that I connected to directly and was still not able to access the computer about 5 feet away I have made sure that the port has been opened in my DSL router (although when using the same network I realize that this is not required) I have the latest? firmware in both the KPA500 and KAT 500 Not quite sure what I am doing wrong. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated as I am presently at the remote site for the weekend. 73 Serge VA3SB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From kevinr at coho.net Sat Aug 5 22:15:56 2017 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 19:15:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <650954b4-4b92-eb05-52b2-4f777f0e0326@coho.net> Good Evening, This week has been hot and very smoky. Only today is there enough breeze to see the surrounding mountains. All week it was very calm and the smoke thick. Sleeping is not easy when the smell of smoke wakes you up all the time. Your natural instinct is to find the fire but these aren't even close. The massive sunspot of two weeks ago is back but most of its energy has been expended. Even so the solar wind has not ceased. The only real impediment should be summer storms and just plain weak signals. However, you just never can tell. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From km6cq at km6cq.com Sat Aug 5 23:37:34 2017 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 20:37:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading a KX3 frequency memory editor file into a KX2 Message-ID: Simply asked, can this be done? This file has 160 and 6 meters in it. Should those channels be deleted first? Thanks, Dan KM6CQ Don't sacrifice your hobby for the right house. From smbertuzzo at bell.net Sun Aug 6 00:01:38 2017 From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 00:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KPA500 Remote software Server / Client issue - This time in Text Format In-Reply-To: <55d2989a2e8163d6b93449d0148eba92@smtp.videotron.ca> References: <55d2989a2e8163d6b93449d0148eba92@smtp.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <962998731.549834.1501992098421.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui02> From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 00:26:28 2017 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 23:26:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 Message-ID: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> This did not used to happen; it is new to my set-up, nothing I am aware of has changed... When trying to operate JT65, if I set the power to 10 watts, everything is fine (KXPA100 is not active). If I set to anything above 10 watts (yeah, like 11 watts or more), I get bad RF feedback (sounds like motor boating in monitor). SWR via tune looks good, all cables have been taken out, checked and re-inserted. I am stumped and looking for hints as to what I ought to look at next, or re-check or try. Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV From alsopb at comcast.net Sun Aug 6 10:21:36 2017 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2017 14:21:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Any surplus KPA-500/KAT-500 FS? Message-ID: <598725F0.6020303@comcast.net> KPA1500's might appear soon. Price important. 73 de Brian/K3KO From KY5G at montac.com Sun Aug 6 11:33:47 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 10:33:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Any surplus KPA-500/KAT-500 FS? In-Reply-To: <598725F0.6020303@comcast.net> References: <598725F0.6020303@comcast.net> Message-ID: I expect the KPA500/KAT500 secondary pricing to dip TEMPORARILY when the KPA1500 is released and then recover quite rapidly... just as soon as whatever number of "extra" (above market supply) of previously owned KPA/KAT500 combos find new homes. The two amps serve completely different market segments. And the pricing separation further separates them market-wise. And actually, you MAY see an uptick in KPA500s that is noticeable, but I expect the KAT500 uptick to be even smaller and of less duration. Frankly, if I had a KPA/KAT500 combo, I would keep them and ADD the KPA1500.... 500 for the field boxes and 1500 for the home station. Just my 2/100ths of a US dollar! 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/6/2017 9:21 AM, brian wrote: > KPA1500's might appear soon. > > Price important. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO From kc6cnn at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 12:25:55 2017 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 09:25:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500F / KAT500F In-Reply-To: <1501029159022-7632688.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501029159022-7632688.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1502036755454-7633148.post@n2.nabble.com> Price dropped to 2100 for both. ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/For-Sale-KPA500F-KAT500F-tp7632688p7633148.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 13:07:07 2017 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 12:07:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2504aff0-4922-38cd-84c9-b6965d6e879e@gmail.com> Mike, it is clean on a dummy load; I guess I need to track down if I have lost my ground somewhere, or find the feedback path... 73 de Dave, W5SV On 8/6/17 00:13, Mike Flowers wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Have you tried this using a dummy load? May be useful to eliminate RFI as a cause. > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On Aug 5, 2017, at 9:26 PM, David F. Reed wrote: >> >> >> This did not used to happen; it is new to my set-up, nothing I am aware of has changed... >> >> When trying to operate JT65, if I set the power to 10 watts, everything is fine (KXPA100 is not active). >> If I set to anything above 10 watts (yeah, like 11 watts or more), I get bad RF feedback (sounds like motor boating in monitor). >> SWR via tune looks good, all cables have been taken out, checked and re-inserted. >> >> I am stumped and looking for hints as to what I ought to look at next, or re-check or try. >> >> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com -- ????? ???????? - ???????? ????? From rick at tavan.com Sun Aug 6 13:11:09 2017 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 10:11:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Any surplus KPA-500/KAT-500 FS? In-Reply-To: References: <598725F0.6020303@comcast.net> Message-ID: My thoughts exactly, Clay. I have a KPA/KAT500 on my Rig 2 and also use them when operating the station remotely. I'm replacing them with a KPA1500, but I'm sore tempted to hang on to the 500s for portable use. 73, /Rick N6XI On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > I expect the KPA500/KAT500 secondary pricing to dip TEMPORARILY when the > KPA1500 is released and then recover quite rapidly... just as soon as > whatever number of "extra" (above market supply) of previously owned > KPA/KAT500 combos find new homes. > > The two amps serve completely different market segments. And the > pricing separation further separates them market-wise. > > And actually, you MAY see an uptick in KPA500s that is noticeable, but I > expect the KAT500 uptick to be even smaller and of less duration. > > Frankly, if I had a KPA/KAT500 combo, I would keep them and ADD the > KPA1500.... 500 for the field boxes and 1500 for the home station. > > Just my 2/100ths of a US dollar! > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/6/2017 9:21 AM, brian wrote: > > KPA1500's might appear soon. > > > > Price important. > > > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 6 13:27:00 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 10:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heatsink discussion In-Reply-To: <8e163e39-f9db-35c1-18a2-1f77f3bf0bf5@comcast.net> References: <8e163e39-f9db-35c1-18a2-1f77f3bf0bf5@comcast.net> Message-ID: A well designed output stage SHOULD be hot to the touch. The temperature component of protection in Elecraft output stages seems to kick in when the internal temperature approaches 70 deg C. You can see this, for example, by watching temperature in the KPA500 and listening to fan speed. The function of the heat sink is to act as a conductor between the semiconductor junctions and the surrounding environment, and increased mass acts as a sort of buffer. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/5/2017 2:53 PM, Jan wrote: > ""I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, > and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost > hot to the touch"" > > Why should the KX3 be heating up, when the AMP is running only 20W ? > Is the KX3 "drive" not backed-down at this level ?? HELP From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Aug 6 14:39:52 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 11:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heatsink discussion In-Reply-To: References: <8e163e39-f9db-35c1-18a2-1f77f3bf0bf5@comcast.net> Message-ID: The KX3 and KX2 max heat sink temperature is 63 C. At that point power is automatically dropped to 5 W. If it reaches the max temp again, transmit is exited. Wayne N6KR > On Aug 6, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > A well designed output stage SHOULD be hot to the touch. The temperature component of protection in Elecraft output stages seems to kick in when the internal temperature approaches 70 deg C. You can see this, for example, by watching temperature in the KPA500 and listening to fan speed. The function of the heat sink is to act as a conductor between the semiconductor junctions and the surrounding environment, and increased mass acts as a sort of buffer. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/5/2017 2:53 PM, Jan wrote: >> ""I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, >> and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost >> hot to the touch"" >> >> Why should the KX3 be heating up, when the AMP is running only 20W ? >> Is the KX3 "drive" not backed-down at this level ?? HELP > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Aug 6 14:41:30 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 11:41:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heatsink discussion In-Reply-To: References: <8e163e39-f9db-35c1-18a2-1f77f3bf0bf5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <046E2B56-6431-46DD-B203-A5482BD636D2@elecraft.com> Actually, that?s 63 C at the PA device location on the PC board. The outside surface of the heat sink itself is quite a bit lower in temperature. Wayne N6KR > On Aug 6, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > The KX3 and KX2 max heat sink temperature is 63 C. At that point power is automatically dropped to 5 W. If it reaches the max temp again, transmit is exited. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > >> On Aug 6, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> A well designed output stage SHOULD be hot to the touch. The temperature component of protection in Elecraft output stages seems to kick in when the internal temperature approaches 70 deg C. You can see this, for example, by watching temperature in the KPA500 and listening to fan speed. The function of the heat sink is to act as a conductor between the semiconductor junctions and the surrounding environment, and increased mass acts as a sort of buffer. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> On 8/5/2017 2:53 PM, Jan wrote: >>> ""I've been doing a lot of FT-8 using my KX3 and my KXPA100 at 20 watts, >>> and have noticed that the KX3 is heating up quite a bit and is almost >>> hot to the touch"" >>> >>> Why should the KX3 be heating up, when the AMP is running only 20W ? >>> Is the KX3 "drive" not backed-down at this level ?? HELP >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > From gm0gav at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 17:17:48 2017 From: gm0gav at gmail.com (gm0gav at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:17:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 beta firmware available with built-in CW/Data logging function In-Reply-To: <619D84F9-DD47-430D-A45E-F04880BF4748@elecraft.com> References: <619D84F9-DD47-430D-A45E-F04880BF4748@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1502054268855-7633154.post@n2.nabble.com> Wayne, I have had good success with the KX2 logging function for CW SOTA. Works well and quite easy to review and transfer using the LG; command in KX2 Utility. The only issue I have is storage, even using memory for CQs it's full after 50 of my short SOTA exchanges. Is there any way storage could be doubled, or even 3K rather than 2K? If 2K is all that is available, perhaps the Band, Mode and time could just be embedded into the main stream like <0951> rather than having using half of the memory with its own stream? Here is the top of my latest log, not much surplus information information in there 73 Gavin GM0GAV 0948C10 0949 0950 K K K K SP9AMH SP9AMH 5NN BK SP9AMH SP9AMH 5NN BK RRR OK FB TNX 73 0951 73 DE GM0GAV/P DL4FDM DL4FDM 5NN OK 73 GM0GAV/P EA2DT EA2DT 5NN 0952 OK73 DE GM0GAV/P DJ1YFK DJ1YFK GM FABIAN 5NN BK OK CU 73 GM0GAV/P 0953 PB2T PB2T 5NN BK OK 73 GM0GAV/P F6EAZ F6EAMI 5NN F6EAZ 5NN OK73 GM 0954 0GAV/P OK2PDT OK2PDT 5NN OKTNX73GM0GAV ? GM0GAV/P DL3FT DL3FT 5NN 0955 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-KX2-beta-firmware-available-with-built-in-CW-Data-logging-function-tp7631502p7633154.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jamullic at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:32:11 2017 From: jamullic at yahoo.com (K5BIU) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:32:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KPA100 for sale!! Brand new and assembled. Message-ID: <1502055131014-7633155.post@n2.nabble.com> I have just finished building a K2 and the KPA100 as one of my options. After sending the radio and all the components to Mr. Don Wilhelm, W3FPR, I realized I needed the KAT100 tuner to work with my antennas. So I have decided to leave my K2 as a basic rig and sell the KPA100. The KPA100 is completely assembled and has been professionally aligned and calibrated by Mr. Don Wilhelm, W3FPR. Mr. Don has also been generous to me and informed me to let the buyer know that the KPA100 will come with his 90-day workmanship warranty!! The KPA100 is actually at Don's QTH right now. I am asking $425 OBO. Please feel free to contact me for any additional needed information. Thank You Jeremy Mullican, K5BIU jamullic at yahoo.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KPA100-for-sale-Brand-new-and-assembled-tp7633155.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bob at hogbytes.com Sun Aug 6 18:08:45 2017 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 15:08:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1502057325597-7633156.post@n2.nabble.com> Make sure you have not accidentally enabled Ant 2 on the KXPA100. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/RF-feedback-only-when-using-KXPA100-tp7633145p7633156.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From no-reply at dropbox.com Sun Aug 6 19:03:17 2017 From: no-reply at dropbox.com (Bob McGraw (via Dropbox)) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 23:03:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Bob_McGraw_shared_=22Video_Aug_04=2C_8_12_25?= =?utf-8?q?_AM=2Emov=22_with_you?= Message-ID: <0100015db9c9d253-a3efffe1-ddd3-4491-bcaf-f31dfcc17646-000000@email.amazonses.com> Hi Jane, Bob McGraw (rmcgraw at blomand.net) invited you to view the file " Video Aug 04, 8 12 25 AM.mov " on Dropbox. View file[1] Enjoy! The Dropbox team [1]: https://www.dropbox.com/l/scl/AAD-CUKUDgf0BNVH7ZhM3yZIPhSrXc2bgk8 From kkinderen at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 19:32:54 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 19:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bob McGraw shared "Video Aug 04, 8 12 25 AM.mov" with you In-Reply-To: <0100015db9c9d253-a3efffe1-ddd3-4491-bcaf-f31dfcc17646-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <0100015db9c9d253-a3efffe1-ddd3-4491-bcaf-f31dfcc17646-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: This looks a little shady? On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Bob McGraw (via Dropbox) via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Hi Jane, > > Bob McGraw (rmcgraw at blomand.net) invited you to view the file " Video Aug > 04, 8 12 25 AM.mov " on Dropbox. > > View file[1] > > Enjoy! > The Dropbox team > > [1]: > ?[deleted]? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com > From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 20:25:51 2017 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 19:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <947B891F-20B1-4601-B305-2798904ABA34@gmail.com> References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> <2504aff0-4922-38cd-84c9-b6965d6e879e@gmail.com> <947B891F-20B1-4601-B305-2798904ABA34@gmail.com> Message-ID: Great news; found it! It was a connection to my coax switch; take it out of line, it goes away. re-connected, it comes back. Cleaned the connections and reconnected, it is gone. Hurrah! 73 de Dave, W5SV On 8/6/17 12:12, Mike Flowers wrote: > Good to find the root cause. Fix will be an easy one. > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On Aug 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, David F. Reed wrote: >> >> Mike, it is clean on a dummy load; I guess I need to track down if I have lost my ground somewhere, or find the feedback path... >> >> 73 de Dave, W5SV >> >> >>> On 8/6/17 00:13, Mike Flowers wrote: >>> Hi Dave, >>> >>> Have you tried this using a dummy load? May be useful to eliminate RFI as a cause. >>> >>> -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" >>> >>>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 9:26 PM, David F. Reed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> This did not used to happen; it is new to my set-up, nothing I am aware of has changed... >>>> >>>> When trying to operate JT65, if I set the power to 10 watts, everything is fine (KXPA100 is not active). >>>> If I set to anything above 10 watts (yeah, like 11 watts or more), I get bad RF feedback (sounds like motor boating in monitor). >>>> SWR via tune looks good, all cables have been taken out, checked and re-inserted. >>>> >>>> I am stumped and looking for hints as to what I ought to look at next, or re-check or try. >>>> >>>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV From mail at cvkimball.com Sun Aug 6 20:26:51 2017 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 17:26:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] CW monitor available through usb port? Message-ID: <1502065611514-7633159.post@n2.nabble.com> For my K3S S/N 10,886 : I'd like to send the CW monitor signal into the computer via the usb connection so that MRP40 (for example) can monitor my sending on the K3. Currently I use a microphone providing audio input to the computer. Does the CW monitor signal appear on the K3 sound card so I can listen to it through the usb connection? Thanks, Chris NQ8Z -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-monitor-available-through-usb-port-tp7633159.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 6 20:26:52 2017 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 17:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <9774f567-bc32-e8eb-aeb2-516c0557a3c2@coho.net> Well that was fun. Both nets had alright propagation. Nothing to write home to mom about but OK. A wide variety of QRN types as well as the ever present QSB. Then there are the tests: a weak KX3 signal from the wilds of Minnesota, 400 watts from Central California, and then an ear testing 1500 watts from the mother ship. Listening to the forest is always a treat after a summer's 40 meter net :) On 20m 14050 kHz: NO8V - John - MI K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA K6XK - Roy - IA W0CZ - Ken - either MN or ND On 40m 7045 kHz: K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA K6KR - Dick - CA testing a 1500 watt amp (it works, my ears are still ringing) WM5F - Dwight - ID Now to go for a walk and rest my ears. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From hhoyt at mebtel.net Sun Aug 6 20:29:51 2017 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 20:29:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heatsink discussion Message-ID: <941a7c8a-451c-4f05-9fe4-403164dfe680@mebtel.net> Sorry of this appears twice, I got a bounce on the first submission: The Pro Audio Engineering Kx32 Heatsink has more surface area than any other commercially available KX3 heatsink. Regarding mass, more is not necessarily better. If you take two heatsinks with the same surface area, on the initial key-down the one with more mass gives a longer initial warmup time. Unfortunately it also retains heat longer, meaning on the subsequent transmit cycles, it still retains heat from the previous cycle. We strove to minimize the mass of our heatsinks, the limitation ended up being rigidity and resistance of the fins to damage. The limitation on convective heatsink efficiency is not the thermal conductivity of aluminum, it is surface area. Our tests show very little thermal ? (delta if your browser is ASCII only!) across the area of any given heatsink of almost any convective design. This is because the limitation is dissipation due to convection. If you model the thermal path as a series string of resistances, the aluminum is very low resistance and the surface to air resistance is very high. For more information visit our website! Cheers & 73, Howie Pro Audio Engineering From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sun Aug 6 20:41:36 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 17:41:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report In-Reply-To: <9774f567-bc32-e8eb-aeb2-516c0557a3c2@coho.net> References: <9774f567-bc32-e8eb-aeb2-516c0557a3c2@coho.net> Message-ID: That 1500 watts sure sounded sweet! 73, Brian, K0DTJ From dick at elecraft.com Sun Aug 6 20:47:21 2017 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 17:47:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report In-Reply-To: References: <9774f567-bc32-e8eb-aeb2-516c0557a3c2@coho.net> Message-ID: <4DAB722D-C692-498A-9E6B-E3A2D5A8680F@elecraft.com> It was a KPA1500 engineering prototype. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Aug 6, 2017, at 17:41, Brian Hunt wrote: > > That 1500 watts sure sounded sweet! > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From dwightanderson at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 6 21:21:59 2017 From: dwightanderson at roadrunner.com (Dwight Anderson) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 18:21:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report In-Reply-To: <4DAB722D-C692-498A-9E6B-E3A2D5A8680F@elecraft.com> References: <9774f567-bc32-e8eb-aeb2-516c0557a3c2@coho.net> <4DAB722D-C692-498A-9E6B-E3A2D5A8680F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <000601d30f1b$91c3d3a0$b54b7ae0$@roadrunner.com> Wow, makes me want one!!! The QSB and noise was running S7, pretty extreme, but the signal broke through and sounded very clean here in ID. Much Regards Dwight WM5F -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 5:47 PM To: Brian Hunt Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report It was a KPA1500 engineering prototype. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Aug 6, 2017, at 17:41, Brian Hunt wrote: > > That 1500 watts sure sounded sweet! > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dick at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dwightanderson at roadrunner.com From n0hhs at arrl.net Mon Aug 7 06:28:28 2017 From: n0hhs at arrl.net (Eric Ward) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 06:28:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: For Sale KPA100 kit new in box Message-ID: Sold. Thanks all for the interest. 73 Eric N0HHS From w1rm at comcast.net Mon Aug 7 08:46:38 2017 From: w1rm at comcast.net (Peter Chamalian) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 08:46:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] A Macro to switch data modes Message-ID: <003b01d30f7b$36a1be00$a3e53a00$@comcast.net> Has anyone created a macro to change the K3S from RTTY to FT-8? Pete, W1RM From K1ND at comcast.net Mon Aug 7 08:51:42 2017 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 08:51:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heatsink discussion Message-ID: <9126e6cb-3e31-d306-1391-c39ba164eff9@comcast.net> OH ~ I think we all understand that the word "heat-sink" implies that it might/will get warm :-) BUT ~ I originally asked about the "heating" of the KX3 when driving the KXPA100 at 20W SO ~ I experimented this morning with adjusting the power OUT of the KX3 while driving the KXPA100 amplifier. With rotation of the Power knob on the KX3, it climbs to 10W [as measured at the Output of the KX3] and with further rotation of the knob, it drops to less than 2W for ~ 40W out from the Amplifier and about 4W yields ~ 100W from the Amp. THUS ~ why should the KX3 heat-up when driving an amplifier ???? Cheers, Jan K1ND From lists at subich.com Mon Aug 7 08:57:19 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 08:57:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] A Macro to switch data modes In-Reply-To: <003b01d30f7b$36a1be00$a3e53a00$@comcast.net> References: <003b01d30f7b$36a1be00$a3e53a00$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3329457f-f1ba-df53-6456-90a47d1c5b4b@subich.com> Try DT0; (FSK_D -> AFSK_A) and DT2; (AFSK_A -> FSK_D) The information is available in the K3&KX3 Programmers Reference. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/7/2017 8:46 AM, Peter Chamalian wrote: > Has anyone created a macro to change the K3S from RTTY to FT-8? > > > > > > Pete, W1RM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dave at nk7z.net Mon Aug 7 09:08:24 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 06:08:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A Macro to switch data modes In-Reply-To: <003b01d30f7b$36a1be00$a3e53a00$@comcast.net> References: <003b01d30f7b$36a1be00$a3e53a00$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Take a look at: http://nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/ That is a short article on using an external keypad on a K3/P3 combination, giving you one button macro launching capabilities. About halfway down is a link to a spreadsheet of macros. Download the spreadsheet, and there is a macro there to move a K3/P3 to DATA A mode, which I assume is the correct mode for FT8. Here is the Macro in the event you don't want to look at the article: MD6;DT0;IS 1500;BW0400; Here is the breakout of what each element does: MD6: Changes to DATA DT0: Sets DATA A IS 1500: Sets the IF shift to 1500 BW0400: Sets the band width to 4K Hope this helps... I am sure there are many ways to do this . 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/07/2017 05:46 AM, Peter Chamalian wrote: > Has anyone created a macro to change the K3S from RTTY to FT-8? > > > > > > Pete, W1RM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From alsopb at comcast.net Mon Aug 7 12:53:14 2017 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 16:53:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] TXD QSD fixed? Message-ID: <59889AFA.3050702@comcast.net> I wonder if the QSD keying problems when TXD was set >8 ms has vanished with the new synthesizer boards? It sounds OK in the monitor when using an external keyer at TXD 20 ms. But I've yet to get an over the air opinion. I seem to recall one could hear it in the monitor. 73 de Brian/K3KO From dl1sdz at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 15:55:20 2017 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 21:55:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx2] Dump log to smartphone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, normally I find my way around, but ... In the manual is written: " * - To ?dump? the log, send ?LG;? to the KX2 via KX2 Utility?s Command Tester screen."* Is it possible to dump the log via the rs232/ USB cable and a USB Togo to an android smartphone and clear the Kx2 memory afterwards so that I can go on logging? Which App (Terminal) would be helpful? 73 de Hajo dl1sdz --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ From w9hak at twc.com Mon Aug 7 16:00:08 2017 From: w9hak at twc.com (Smith B.) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 13:00:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] external waterfall Message-ID: <1502136008101-7633173.post@n2.nabble.com> How do I turn off waterfall on external monitor? Smith B. W9HAK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/external-waterfall-tp7633173.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dl1sdz at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 16:24:24 2017 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 22:24:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx2] Dump log to smartphone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I found an App "UsbTerminal" which does the job. 73 de Hajo dl1sdz --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ Am 07.08.2017 9:55 nachm. schrieb "Hajo Dezelski" : > Hello, > > normally I find my way around, but ... > In the manual is written: > " > > > > * - To ?dump? the log, send ?LG;? to the KX2 via KX2 Utility?s Command > Tester screen."* > Is it possible to dump the log via the rs232/ USB cable and a USB Togo to > an android smartphone and clear the Kx2 memory afterwards so that I can go > on logging? > > Which App (Terminal) would be helpful? > > 73 de > > Hajo dl1sdz > > --- > Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > > > http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ > > > From w0fm at swbell.net Mon Aug 7 16:41:54 2017 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> Message-ID: <002b01d30fbd$9b729650$d257c2f0$@swbell.net> I have been watching this thread carefully since it began, and, combined with my experiences over this past weekend, am now more confused than ever. Don, W3FPR recently (again) gave very succinct instructions for getting a good starting audio point for the ALC readings. I had previously not been able to get the "four bars solid, fifth bar flickering" on my K3S for JT65 for weeks now, no matter what I did. Bought all the books and read all the articles (Yes, they reference rigs that work differently than my K3S. Understood. I get it) Yesterday I decided to follow Don's instructions (as bolstered by those from Bob, K4TAX). Thanks to both fine gents. I set: K3S Mode to Data A Band: 20 Meters (14.076) Windows 7 Audio level OUT from computer to about 50% of scale (USB CODEC) Line-IN level on the K3S to 30 PWR slider in the WSJT-X software to about mid-range Set the K3S power out to 30 with rig's PO control During a TEST transmit (using the TUNE button in the software), I adjusted the WSJT PWR slider (downward) on the software to finally achieve the four bars solid and fifth bar flickering. I then switched to normal TX, the ALC reading held fast (four solid fifth flicker) and I made a couple of QSOs. Life was good. Power was still at 30, COMP 0 as set. Seemed that Don and Bob's comments were spot on. I thought my K3S was good to go for all K3S digital modes, so I touched nothing. Then I changed bands with the K3S band switch to 15 meters. Did a test TX on 15 with the Mode (Data A), Power Out (30) and Comp (0), Software PWR slider settings still untouched. But upon *normal* TX on 15 M the ALC had jumped to 6 solid bars. Nothing I tried would get it back to the desired "4 solid+5th flicker" on 15M. Then I went back to 20M. But, the ALC there had also changed and was now 6 solid bars. It had changed somehow. Power out still 30, Comp 0, etc. Also, now the WSJT PWR slider had moved back up above its previous mid-scale settings as well. I had carefully touched nothing but the BAND and TX TEST switchs on the K3S. Aren't the DATA A settings saved per band after doing these adjustments for digital modes? Why would a simple band change alter the rig's ALC setting as well as the PWR slider in the software? Did the new Freq somehow change the Window's Line Out and the software's PWR slider? Should I expect to have to reset the settings every time I use one of the JT and FT digital modes? I think I'll try bouncing signals off commercial tow boats on the Mississippi River instead. Must be easier. "CQ the Rhonda May.......Calling the Rhonda May, Over". ;o) 73, Terry W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hunt [mailto:huntinhmb at coastside.net] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:02 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior Here are some spectrum photos from the tune signals of both FLDIGI and WSJT-X 1.8. All three are essentially identical showing some low level sideband noise +/- 30 kHz and down > 60dBc. There's no apparent difference in the spectra between pumping and non-pumping ALC, as Wes reported. http://www.pbase.com/brhunt/spectrum_photos Enjoy! 73, Brian, K0DTJ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Aug 7 16:52:27 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <002b01d30fbd$9b729650$d257c2f0$@swbell.net> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> <002b01d30fbd$9b729650$d257c2f0$@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2F353A45-9096-4775-95ED-3B759B333832@blomand.net> There is a feature in WSJT-X that saves power setting and tune power per band. So, to correct your concern, select the option and then set the value per band. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > > I have been watching this thread carefully since it began, and, combined with my experiences over this past weekend, am now more confused than ever. Don, W3FPR recently (again) gave very succinct instructions for getting a good starting audio point for the ALC readings. I had previously not been able to get the "four bars solid, fifth bar flickering" on my K3S for JT65 for weeks now, no matter what I did. Bought all the books and read all the articles (Yes, they reference rigs that work differently than my K3S. Understood. I get it) Yesterday I decided to follow Don's instructions (as bolstered by those from Bob, K4TAX). Thanks to both fine gents. > > I set: > K3S Mode to Data A > Band: 20 Meters (14.076) > Windows 7 Audio level OUT from computer to about 50% of scale (USB CODEC) > Line-IN level on the K3S to 30 > PWR slider in the WSJT-X software to about mid-range > Set the K3S power out to 30 with rig's PO control > > During a TEST transmit (using the TUNE button in the software), I adjusted the WSJT PWR slider (downward) on the software to finally achieve the four bars solid and fifth bar flickering. I then switched to normal TX, the ALC reading held fast (four solid fifth flicker) and I made a couple of QSOs. Life was good. Power was still at 30, COMP 0 as set. Seemed that Don and Bob's comments were spot on. I thought my K3S was good to go for all K3S digital modes, so I touched nothing. Then I changed bands with the K3S band switch to 15 meters. Did a test TX on 15 with the Mode (Data A), Power Out (30) and Comp (0), Software PWR slider settings still untouched. But upon *normal* TX on 15 M the ALC had jumped to 6 solid bars. Nothing I tried would get it back to the desired "4 solid+5th flicker" on 15M. > > Then I went back to 20M. But, the ALC there had also changed and was now 6 solid bars. It had changed somehow. Power out still 30, Comp 0, etc. Also, now the WSJT PWR slider had moved back up above its previous mid-scale settings as well. I had carefully touched nothing but the BAND and TX TEST switchs on the K3S. > > Aren't the DATA A settings saved per band after doing these adjustments for digital modes? Why would a simple band change alter the rig's ALC setting as well as the PWR slider in the software? Did the new Freq somehow change the Window's Line Out and the software's PWR slider? Should I expect to have to reset the settings every time I use one of the JT and FT digital modes? > > I think I'll try bouncing signals off commercial tow boats on the Mississippi River instead. Must be easier. "CQ the Rhonda May.......Calling the Rhonda May, Over". ;o) > > 73, Terry W0FM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Hunt [mailto:huntinhmb at coastside.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:02 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > Here are some spectrum photos from the tune signals of both FLDIGI and WSJT-X 1.8. All three are essentially identical showing some low level sideband noise +/- 30 kHz and down > 60dBc. There's no apparent difference in the spectra between pumping and non-pumping ALC, as Wes reported. > > http://www.pbase.com/brhunt/spectrum_photos > > Enjoy! > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 17:16:44 2017 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <2F353A45-9096-4775-95ED-3B759B333832@blomand.net> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> <002b01d30fbd$9b729650$d257c2f0$@swbell.net> <2F353A45-9096-4775-95ED-3B759B333832@blomand.net> Message-ID: Hi Terry, I have actually disabled all those settings in WSJT-X. I don't let WSJT-X put the rig into data mode (from the Radio tab - MODE = NONE). I don't remember the power settings by band on the Audio tab within the settings dialogue. I setup my KX3 ahead of time for digital modes (using a macro) and leave it that way for all data modes (FLdigi, WSJT-X, etc.). Do you have any of these options selected? Have you tried disabling them, setup your sound card, etc. as per Don's et al. instructions and then changed bands back and forth? regards, Brian VE3IBW On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > There is a feature in WSJT-X that saves power setting and tune power per > band. So, to correct your concern, select the option and then set the > value per band. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > > > > I have been watching this thread carefully since it began, and, combined > with my experiences over this past weekend, am now more confused than > ever. Don, W3FPR recently (again) gave very succinct instructions for > getting a good starting audio point for the ALC readings. I had previously > not been able to get the "four bars solid, fifth bar flickering" on my K3S > for JT65 for weeks now, no matter what I did. Bought all the books and > read all the articles (Yes, they reference rigs that work differently than > my K3S. Understood. I get it) Yesterday I decided to follow Don's > instructions (as bolstered by those from Bob, K4TAX). Thanks to both fine > gents. > > > > I set: > > K3S Mode to Data A > > Band: 20 Meters (14.076) > > Windows 7 Audio level OUT from computer to about 50% of scale (USB CODEC) > > Line-IN level on the K3S to 30 > > PWR slider in the WSJT-X software to about mid-range > > Set the K3S power out to 30 with rig's PO control > > > > During a TEST transmit (using the TUNE button in the software), I > adjusted the WSJT PWR slider (downward) on the software to finally achieve > the four bars solid and fifth bar flickering. I then switched to normal > TX, the ALC reading held fast (four solid fifth flicker) and I made a > couple of QSOs. Life was good. Power was still at 30, COMP 0 as set. > Seemed that Don and Bob's comments were spot on. I thought my K3S was good > to go for all K3S digital modes, so I touched nothing. Then I changed > bands with the K3S band switch to 15 meters. Did a test TX on 15 with the > Mode (Data A), Power Out (30) and Comp (0), Software PWR slider settings > still untouched. But upon *normal* TX on 15 M the ALC had jumped to 6 > solid bars. Nothing I tried would get it back to the desired "4 solid+5th > flicker" on 15M. > > > > Then I went back to 20M. But, the ALC there had also changed and was > now 6 solid bars. It had changed somehow. Power out still 30, Comp 0, > etc. Also, now the WSJT PWR slider had moved back up above its previous > mid-scale settings as well. I had carefully touched nothing but the BAND > and TX TEST switchs on the K3S. > > > > Aren't the DATA A settings saved per band after doing these adjustments > for digital modes? Why would a simple band change alter the rig's ALC > setting as well as the PWR slider in the software? Did the new Freq > somehow change the Window's Line Out and the software's PWR slider? Should > I expect to have to reset the settings every time I use one of the JT and > FT digital modes? > > > > I think I'll try bouncing signals off commercial tow boats on the > Mississippi River instead. Must be easier. "CQ the Rhonda > May.......Calling the Rhonda May, Over". ;o) > > > > 73, Terry W0FM > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Hunt [mailto:huntinhmb at coastside.net] > > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:02 PM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > > > Here are some spectrum photos from the tune signals of both FLDIGI and > WSJT-X 1.8. All three are essentially identical showing some low level > sideband noise +/- 30 kHz and down > 60dBc. There's no apparent difference > in the spectra between pumping and non-pumping ALC, as Wes reported. > > > > http://www.pbase.com/brhunt/spectrum_photos > > > > Enjoy! > > > > 73, > > Brian, K0DTJ > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 7 17:28:01 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 14:28:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> <2504aff0-4922-38cd-84c9-b6965d6e879e@gmail.com> <947B891F-20B1-4601-B305-2798904ABA34@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59033b6a-e95f-f312-218f-53a636f297ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/6/2017 5:25 PM, David F. Reed wrote: > It was a connection to my coax switch; take it out of line, it goes > away. re-connected, it comes back. Cleaned the connections and > reconnected, it is gone. Many years ago, a very smart guy said something it the effect that with any problems with TX or RX, ALWAYS check for bad coax FIRST. From lots of experience, I've learned the value of that. First things to check are the SHIELD connections, any junk connectors and adapters (if it doesn't say Amphenol, it's probably junk). If you "cleaned the connections" and fixed it, there's a good chance that the problem is still there, lurking as an intermittent shield connection that will return. Or maybe the switch is poor. 73, Jim K9YC From w0fm at swbell.net Mon Aug 7 17:51:48 2017 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 16:51:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> <002b01d30fbd$9b729650$d257c2f0$@swbell.net> <2F353A45-9096-4775-95ED-3B759B333832@blomand.net> Message-ID: <003601d30fc7$5f7ca870$1e75f950$@swbell.net> No, Brian. I have done none of the software mode settings. I?ll take another look though and more testing. Thanks and 73, Terry, W0FM From: Brian Waterworth [mailto:brian.waterworth at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 4:17 PM To: Terry Schieler Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior Hi Terry, I have actually disabled all those settings in WSJT-X. I don't let WSJT-X put the rig into data mode (from the Radio tab - MODE = NONE). I don't remember the power settings by band on the Audio tab within the settings dialogue. I setup my KX3 ahead of time for digital modes (using a macro) and leave it that way for all data modes (FLdigi, WSJT-X, etc.). Do you have any of these options selected? Have you tried disabling them, setup your sound card, etc. as per Don's et al. instructions and then changed bands back and forth? regards, Brian VE3IBW On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: There is a feature in WSJT-X that saves power setting and tune power per band. So, to correct your concern, select the option and then set the value per band. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > > I have been watching this thread carefully since it began, and, combined with my experiences over this past weekend, am now more confused than ever. Don, W3FPR recently (again) gave very succinct instructions for getting a good starting audio point for the ALC readings. I had previously not been able to get the "four bars solid, fifth bar flickering" on my K3S for JT65 for weeks now, no matter what I did. Bought all the books and read all the articles (Yes, they reference rigs that work differently than my K3S. Understood. I get it) Yesterday I decided to follow Don's instructions (as bolstered by those from Bob, K4TAX). Thanks to both fine gents. > > I set: > K3S Mode to Data A > Band: 20 Meters (14.076) > Windows 7 Audio level OUT from computer to about 50% of scale (USB CODEC) > Line-IN level on the K3S to 30 > PWR slider in the WSJT-X software to about mid-range > Set the K3S power out to 30 with rig's PO control > > During a TEST transmit (using the TUNE button in the software), I adjusted the WSJT PWR slider (downward) on the software to finally achieve the four bars solid and fifth bar flickering. I then switched to normal TX, the ALC reading held fast (four solid fifth flicker) and I made a couple of QSOs. Life was good. Power was still at 30, COMP 0 as set. Seemed that Don and Bob's comments were spot on. I thought my K3S was good to go for all K3S digital modes, so I touched nothing. Then I changed bands with the K3S band switch to 15 meters. Did a test TX on 15 with the Mode (Data A), Power Out (30) and Comp (0), Software PWR slider settings still untouched. But upon *normal* TX on 15 M the ALC had jumped to 6 solid bars. Nothing I tried would get it back to the desired "4 solid+5th flicker" on 15M. > > Then I went back to 20M. But, the ALC there had also changed and was now 6 solid bars. It had changed somehow. Power out still 30, Comp 0, etc. Also, now the WSJT PWR slider had moved back up above its previous mid-scale settings as well. I had carefully touched nothing but the BAND and TX TEST switchs on the K3S. > > Aren't the DATA A settings saved per band after doing these adjustments for digital modes? Why would a simple band change alter the rig's ALC setting as well as the PWR slider in the software? Did the new Freq somehow change the Window's Line Out and the software's PWR slider? Should I expect to have to reset the settings every time I use one of the JT and FT digital modes? > > I think I'll try bouncing signals off commercial tow boats on the Mississippi River instead. Must be easier. "CQ the Rhonda May.......Calling the Rhonda May, Over". ;o) > > 73, Terry W0FM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Hunt [mailto:huntinhmb at coastside.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 3:02 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior > > Here are some spectrum photos from the tune signals of both FLDIGI and WSJT-X 1.8. All three are essentially identical showing some low level sideband noise +/- 30 kHz and down > 60dBc. There's no apparent difference in the spectra between pumping and non-pumping ALC, as Wes reported. > > http://www.pbase.com/brhunt/spectrum_photos > > Enjoy! > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com From dmboresz at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 17:53:53 2017 From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:53:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] external waterfall In-Reply-To: <1502136008101-7633173.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502136008101-7633173.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: If you want to turn off just the waterfall on the external display, you'd use the P3 "SVGA menu" > "SVGA WfEn" menu option. With that "SVGA WfEn" option showing, tap the "SELECT" knob, and then ROTATE the SELECT knob until you see "Waterfall off". Then tap the SELECT knob to save your change. 73, Dale - WA8SRA On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Smith B. wrote: > How do I turn off waterfall on external monitor? > > Smith B. > W9HAK > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/external-waterfall-tp7633173.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmboresz at gmail.com > From dpbunte at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 17:59:08 2017 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:59:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <59033b6a-e95f-f312-218f-53a636f297ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> <2504aff0-4922-38cd-84c9-b6965d6e879e@gmail.com> <947B891F-20B1-4601-B305-2798904ABA34@gmail.com> <59033b6a-e95f-f312-218f-53a636f297ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim - I recently sent my K3 to the 'Mother Ship' for some upgrades while my wife and I took a 3 week road trip. I hooked up the returned rig over the weekend. Much to my chagrin, I was extremely high SWR. I verified that I had the RF path correct from the K3 through assorted other devices and to the antenna. While doing so I noticed one coax connector that was about 1/4 to 1/2 turn loose. I tightened it, and all was fine... for about 30 seconds. Remembering what a wise man once said I suspected a bad piece of coax. I checked the same connection again... it was loose... as I tightened it, all of a sudden it became loose again. This was a 1 foot jumper, from a company that advertises heavily. I had been using it for several years from the output of my KPA500 to the sensor for my LP-100A. The threads did not appear to be stripped, although it felt like it. I looked like the threads were cur very shallow. I replaced it with a jumper I made many years ago, using Amphenol connectors, and all is now working as it should. Well... not quite all... I have made some nice CW QSOs, but decided to check SSB operation. It is not working on that mode (which I almost never use), but I will tackle it to see what is not set correctly. Dave - K9FN On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/6/2017 5:25 PM, David F. Reed wrote: > >> It was a connection to my coax switch; take it out of line, it goes away. >> re-connected, it comes back. Cleaned the connections and reconnected, it >> is gone. >> > > Many years ago, a very smart guy said something it the effect that with > any problems with TX or RX, ALWAYS check for bad coax FIRST. From lots of > experience, I've learned the value of that. First things to check are the > SHIELD connections, any junk connectors and adapters (if it doesn't say > Amphenol, it's probably junk). > > If you "cleaned the connections" and fixed it, there's a good chance that > the problem is still there, lurking as an intermittent shield connection > that will return. Or maybe the switch is poor. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Aug 7 18:06:07 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> <2504aff0-4922-38cd-84c9-b6965d6e879e@gmail.com> <947B891F-20B1-4601-B305-2798904ABA34@gmail.com> <59033b6a-e95f-f312-218f-53a636f297ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <6e0644b2-2713-5d00-535d-0fb1cac94cd8@blomand.net> Just as a comment. PL-259 connectors are all created equal. Some are great looking connectors and are just pure crap! The plating makes for good looks but poor performance. To that end, I always and every time snug my PL-259 connectors with a pair of 4" Channel Lock pliers. Finger tight is never good enough! You'd be surprised at the number of RFI issues I've corrected with this approach. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/7/2017 4:59 PM, David Bunte wrote: > Jim - > > I recently sent my K3 to the 'Mother Ship' for some upgrades while my wife > and I took a 3 week road trip. I hooked up the returned rig over the > weekend. Much to my chagrin, I was extremely high SWR. I verified that I > had the RF path correct from the K3 through assorted other devices and to > the antenna. While doing so I noticed one coax connector that was about 1/4 > to 1/2 turn loose. I tightened it, and all was fine... for about 30 > seconds. > > Remembering what a wise man once said I suspected a bad piece of coax. I > checked the same connection again... it was loose... as I tightened it, all > of a sudden it became loose again. This was a 1 foot jumper, from a company > that advertises heavily. I had been using it for several years from the > output of my KPA500 to the sensor for my LP-100A. The threads did not > appear to be stripped, although it felt like it. I looked like the threads > were cur very shallow. I replaced it with a jumper I made many years ago, > using > Amphenol connectors, and all is now working as it should. > > Well... not quite all... I have made some nice CW QSOs, but decided to > check SSB operation. It is not working on that mode (which I almost never > use), but I will tackle it to see what is not set correctly. > > Dave - K9FN > > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 8/6/2017 5:25 PM, David F. Reed wrote: >> >>> It was a connection to my coax switch; take it out of line, it goes away. >>> re-connected, it comes back. Cleaned the connections and reconnected, it >>> is gone. >>> >> Many years ago, a very smart guy said something it the effect that with >> any problems with TX or RX, ALWAYS check for bad coax FIRST. From lots of >> experience, I've learned the value of that. First things to check are the >> SHIELD connections, any junk connectors and adapters (if it doesn't say >> Amphenol, it's probably junk). >> >> If you "cleaned the connections" and fixed it, there's a good chance that >> the problem is still there, lurking as an intermittent shield connection >> that will return. Or maybe the switch is poor. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From w2ljqrp at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 20:20:12 2017 From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 20:20:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC August Sprint this Tuesday Evening Message-ID: <9b1439b857d4f142941a8372e40a84af@192.168.1.13> The August NAQCC sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (August 8th, EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Wednesday, August 9th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases. 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Come join us and have a real good time! 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 for NAQCC http://naqcc.info/ From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 21:06:12 2017 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 21:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Odd ALC behavior In-Reply-To: <003601d30fc7$5f7ca870$1e75f950$@swbell.net> References: <291462f4-e31d-e879-d862-79e93963735b@coastside.net> <7cd7a082-ebe1-a21e-4afd-5b8f7daad44b@coastside.net> <8c79676f-87b8-f26c-35bd-f3c97d4e153f@triconet.org> <5CD314D9-016E-467B-B89D-44479A418AD4@elecraft.com> <5db50f5b-35d0-55b2-92c3-87568af1259a@triconet.org> <002b01d30fbd$9b729650$d257c2f0$@swbell.net> <2F353A45-9096-4775-95ED-3B759B333832@blomand.net> <003601d30fc7$5f7ca870$1e75f950$@swbell.net> Message-ID: ? Here are the macros I use to flip between voice and digital. I have assigned them to PF1 and PF2 on the KX3. I only have the two macros and don't need to toggle to other macros on the same key press. *PF1 - Digital:* GT002;MG013;AG007;ML007;MD6;DT0;RG250;PA0;PC005;MN096;MP000;MN128;MP000;MN135;MP000;MN255;BW9999;SWH29; *PF2 - Voice:* SWH29;MD2;BW0300;GT004;MG045;AG010;ML000;PC010;MN096;MP002;MN128;MP001;MN129;MP000;MN135;MP016;MN255; KX3 VOX Toggle: SWH29 K3 VOX Toggle: SWH09 Not sure if all the menu items are the same. For example, MN128 on the KX3 is AGC MD (mode) MN128 on the K3 is not defined. Couldn't find an equivalent quickly. MN129 on the KX3 is AGC Speed MN129 is not defined on the K3. Although, you could use MG037 (AGC-Slow) or MG061 (AGC-Fast). Your preference. MN135 is MIC Bias on the KX3. MN135 is not defined on the K3. Not sure what the equivalent would be. The line-in on the KX3 is the Mic jack. I don't expect it would be for the K3. regards, Brian VE3IBW From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Aug 7 21:19:21 2017 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 17:19:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 Message-ID: <201708080119.v781JOPH030200@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Concur on suspecting cables as first step for most problems. Also suspect the meter that measures the signal/voltage/current/etc. Or other items in the line. I ran into a similar issue using an antenna tuner on 2m. I had just put up a 11-element yagi (not real high but equivalent to the vertical previously used). I could hardly hear my neighbor on 2m-SSB only 15 miles away. More interestingly he reported my signal as low...hmm. I switched back to the vertical and signals in both direction jumped up in strength...double hmm! OK the yagi had not been in service for a couple years and I was unable to make any tests before it was put up on another tower. SWR was close to marginal so I inserted my 2m antenna tuner and that fixed the SWR. I checked power on each side of the tuner and it was about the same ( a little lower on output). Soooo I removed the tuner and power indicated went from 110w to 100w but the signal jumped in both directions. Note to self: "leave this tuner on the dusty shelf". The SWR is about 1.8 without and tuner but the 100w amplifier is happy (no fold back) and signal are much better on both ends of the circuit (S0 jumped to S3). Guess that tuner is very lossy (MFJ-921). Of course MFJ means "mighty fine junk" 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Aug 7 22:15:09 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 21:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <201708080119.v781JOPH030200@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201708080119.v781JOPH030200@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: A comment on tuners. The SWR and associated increased loss remains the same on the feed line regardless of the action of the tuner. When using a tuner, the load only looks better to the transmitter and the tuner presents added overall loss. Reflected power is not totally lost power. Only the loss of the feed-line contributes to lost power. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > Concur on suspecting cables as first step for most problems. Also suspect the meter that measures the signal/voltage/current/etc. Or other items in the line. > > I ran into a similar issue using an antenna tuner on 2m. I had just put up a 11-element yagi (not real high but equivalent to the vertical previously used). I could hardly hear my neighbor on 2m-SSB only 15 miles away. More interestingly he reported my signal as low...hmm. I switched back to the vertical and signals in both direction jumped up in strength...double hmm! > > OK the yagi had not been in service for a couple years and I was unable to make any tests before it was put up on another tower. SWR was close to marginal so I inserted my 2m antenna tuner and that fixed the SWR. I checked power on each side of the tuner and it was about the same ( a little lower on output). Soooo I removed the tuner and power indicated went from 110w to 100w but the signal jumped in both directions. Note to self: "leave this tuner on the dusty shelf". > > The SWR is about 1.8 without and tuner but the 100w amplifier is happy (no fold back) and signal are much better on both ends of the circuit (S0 jumped to S3). Guess that tuner is very lossy (MFJ-921). Of course MFJ means "mighty fine junk" > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From hhoyt at mebtel.net Mon Aug 7 22:56:35 2017 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 22:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heatsink discussion Message-ID: <028d9ba1-8c45-5976-051a-bad4de9dd624@mebtel.net> Hi Jan, Elecraft designed the KX twins to run with maximum efficiency, so up to 10 watts, it is the more efficient PA in the KX3 which supplies the output power with the KXPA100 in bypass, and when more than 10 watts is dialed in the KXPA100 is enabled, and the KX3 throttles back to make the KXPA100 output whatever is desired. Cheers & 73, Howie - WA4PSC From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Mon Aug 7 23:16:28 2017 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 23:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] weighted knobs Message-ID: <006401d30ff4$b9d3aad0$2d7b0070$@ca> Hi Guys, Looking for weighted knob for My Elecraft k-2 and my Elecraft kX-1. Would prefer the Bronze ones but will consider the black ones as well. Tnx es 73 de ve3vtg From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 8 01:42:45 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 22:42:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <6e0644b2-2713-5d00-535d-0fb1cac94cd8@blomand.net> References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> <2504aff0-4922-38cd-84c9-b6965d6e879e@gmail.com> <947B891F-20B1-4601-B305-2798904ABA34@gmail.com> <59033b6a-e95f-f312-218f-53a636f297ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> <6e0644b2-2713-5d00-535d-0fb1cac94cd8@blomand.net> Message-ID: On 8/7/2017 3:06 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > PL-259 connectors are all created equal. This is definitely NOT true. There are as many cheap knock-offs as there are cheap factories and cheap vendors. There are tolerances on diameters of the center pin and center receptacle, there are poor/cheap choices of metals, dielectric that melts when you solder to it, metals that don't take solder, even dissimilar metal issues when mated with another connector. I've also seen threads that are too short, and outer rings that are too short. And that's just PL259s. What IS entirely right about Bob's post is the importance of making connectors wrench-tight. 73, Jim K9YC From n1rm at arrl.net Tue Aug 8 04:47:50 2017 From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 01:47:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using K3 for relative noise survey - followup Message-ID: <1502182070161-7633190.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks to all for the great suggestions (the SNR of the responses was appropriately high!). I did some experiments with the RSP2 and HDSDR. It was very close to what I was looking for and I will revisit it in the future when I am looking for specific interferers, but I set it aside when I saw a very strong harmonic of a local AMBC station well up into the HF spectrum. This happened with my very good AMBC filter in line. I won't be comfortable with this approach until the software provides some control of the RSP2 front end. What I want right now is something to give me general quantitative view of the overall noise level, not something to identify specific interferers. The good news is that I now have my K3 doing a very nice survey under control of a Python program I wrote, and using the AFV and dBV VFOB Alternate Displays. I connected ANT1 to my reference antenna (a six foot untuned whip), and put a 50 ohm termination on ANT2. After setting Rx parameters the way I want, it tunes to a frequency, selects ANT2, waits for the level to settle in AFV mode. It then switches to dBV mode and once again waits for the display to settle. Then it selects ANT1, waits a second, and then starts reading the dBV value once a second. If it gets two readings in a row that differ by 0.1 dB or less, it takes that value. If that doesn't happen within 10 readings, it just takes the average of the 10 values and moves on. I am doing two surveys. One is every 100 KHz from 1 MHz to 29.7 MHz. The other is every 10 KHz within the HF ham bands. So far I have taken multiple surveys at my home on consecutive nights and the plots overlay each other very well, so at least the method is consistent. It takes a very long time to walk through all the frequencies this way, but I just set it and forget it, and then import the data into Excel for plotting. Two observations: 1. I was reminded vividly of the 8.2 MHz first IF by the hole in the general coverage survey! 2. I was able to deterministically configure all the settings I wanted EXCEPT turning off AGC. It appears that the only control of that is the SWH18 command which is a toggle, and there is no way to read the current state of that setting. I had to manually go to each band to ensure that it was turned off on all of them. Does anyone know of a different way to do this? Thanks again for all the help and suggestions. I will do multiple day and night surveys at both my old and new QTH, just to get an idea of what I can expect at the new site. Rick N1RM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Using-K3-for-relative-noise-survey-followup-tp7633190.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Aug 8 08:38:14 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 07:38:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF feedback? only when using KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: <8feb7ae8-8469-372b-6f11-5598ea173caf@gmail.com> <99C2C21F-659B-4E30-942F-CFE565144813@gmail.com> <2504aff0-4922-38cd-84c9-b6965d6e879e@gmail.com> <947B891F-20B1-4601-B305-2798904ABA34@gmail.com> <59033b6a-e95f-f312-218f-53a636f297ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> <6e0644b2-2713-5d00-535d-0fb1cac94cd8@blomand.net> Message-ID: <91614165-e8eb-eb95-bc9f-9060bfd7fda4@blomand.net> In looking back at my original post..........I omitted the word NOT. Thus "all PL-259 connectors are not all created equal". Sorry folks, and thanks Jim for catching the over site. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/8/2017 12:42 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/7/2017 3:06 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> PL-259 connectors are all created equal. > > This is definitely NOT true. There are as many cheap knock-offs as > there are cheap factories and cheap vendors. There are tolerances on > diameters of the center pin and center receptacle, there are > poor/cheap choices of metals, dielectric that melts when you solder to > it, metals that don't take solder, even dissimilar metal issues when > mated with another connector. I've also seen threads that are too > short, and outer rings that are too short. And that's just PL259s. > > What IS entirely right about Bob's post is the importance of making > connectors wrench-tight. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From KY5G at montac.com Tue Aug 8 12:02:18 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:02:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light Message-ID: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> Situation: Tuner inline between K3s and known good dummy load. 1) Tuner off - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly 2) Tuner on in bypass - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly 3) Tuner on, and in Manual OR Auto Mode, tuner clicks and then Mode light starts blinking. All components in signal path obviously AND tested known good. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting the malfunction? -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G From dick at elecraft.com Tue Aug 8 12:29:04 2017 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 09:29:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light In-Reply-To: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> References: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> Message-ID: <003901d31063$73802120$5a806360$@elecraft.com> The ATU blinks the MODE LED when a tune has been started, but not enough RF is arriving from the exciter to proceed. It's waiting for about 20 watts from your exciter. If you want to cancel the tune, tap TUNE again. Don't use both the K3 internal ATU and the KAT500 ATU together. One or the other should be bypassed. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 09:02 To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light Situation: Tuner inline between K3s and known good dummy load. 1) Tuner off - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly 2) Tuner on in bypass - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly 3) Tuner on, and in Manual OR Auto Mode, tuner clicks and then Mode light starts blinking. All components in signal path obviously AND tested known good. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting the malfunction? -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ab2tc at arrl.net Tue Aug 8 12:37:44 2017 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 09:37:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light In-Reply-To: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> References: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> Message-ID: <1502210264910-7633194.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Clay, I could easily reproduce your problem. Note: I do not have the AUX cable connected. Apparently you just pressed TUNE on the tuner. That will not start the K3 sending a tuning tone. Thus the blinking LED (MAN led if in manual mode, AUTO LED if in in AUTO mode). You must press and hold the TUNE button on the K3 to send the tuning power you have selected. The KAT500 will then instantly tune and the mode LED goes back to steady on. I don't know if this behavior is also present if the AUX cable is connected. AB2TC - Knut Clay Autery-2 wrote > Situation: Tuner inline between K3s and known good dummy load. > > 1) Tuner off - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly > 2) Tuner on in bypass - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly > 3) Tuner on, and in Manual OR Auto Mode, tuner clicks and then Mode > light starts blinking. > > All components in signal path obviously AND tested known good. > > Any ideas where to start troubleshooting the malfunction? > > -- > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Blinking-Mode-Light-tp7633192p7633194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From KY5G at montac.com Tue Aug 8 13:11:54 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light In-Reply-To: <003901d31063$73802120$5a806360$@elecraft.com> References: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> <003901d31063$73802120$5a806360$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <111e0286-13b5-e805-9aaa-dadfadf52af1@montac.com> Thanks for the response, but that's not the issue here. K3s tuner in bypass. With tuner in bypass, and "TUNE" held down, SWR on K3s is 3.6. Repeat with KAT500 in Manual mode, the SWR reading on K3s is 12.6:1 or higher. Repeat in AUTO Mode, and SWR goes to 99.9:1 because the KAT500 breaks the signal path because it "sees" >10:1 and ostensibly is faulting though the Fault light does not come on. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2017 11:29 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > The ATU blinks the MODE LED when a tune has been started, but not enough RF > is arriving from the exciter to proceed. It's waiting for about 20 watts > from your exciter. If you want to cancel the tune, tap TUNE again. > > Don't use both the K3 internal ATU and the KAT500 ATU together. One or the > other should be bypassed. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery > Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 09:02 > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light > > Situation: Tuner inline between K3s and known good dummy load. > > 1) Tuner off - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly > 2) Tuner on in bypass - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly > 3) Tuner on, and in Manual OR Auto Mode, tuner clicks and then Mode light > starts blinking. > > All components in signal path obviously AND tested known good. > > Any ideas where to start troubleshooting the malfunction? > > -- > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to dick at elecraft.com > From KY5G at montac.com Tue Aug 8 13:16:35 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:16:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light In-Reply-To: <1502210264910-7633194.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> <1502210264910-7633194.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Did not include that in original post, but I AM holding the XMIT/TUNE button in to send the RF sig to KAT500. See just prior response. Also, K3s power set at ABOVE 7 watts,,,, both 10 Watts and above 12-13 to engage K3 PA... Trying to tune using the KAT500 causes the blinking mode light and an obvious break in the rf signal path to the antenna... What is key is that KAT500 in Bypass, K3s in Bypass, TUNE gives 3.6:1... Put KAT500 in Manual and TUNE on K3s gives 12.6:1 or higher. Do it in AUTO and the KAT500 kicks out, blinking mode, 99.9:1 SWR... obvious signal path disco. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2017 11:37 AM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi Clay, > > I could easily reproduce your problem. Note: I do not have the AUX cable > connected. Apparently you just pressed TUNE on the tuner. That will not > start the K3 sending a tuning tone. Thus the blinking LED (MAN led if in > manual mode, AUTO LED if in in AUTO mode). You must press and hold the TUNE > button on the K3 to send the tuning power you have selected. The KAT500 will > then instantly tune and the mode LED goes back to steady on. > > I don't know if this behavior is also present if the AUX cable is connected. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > Clay Autery-2 wrote >> Situation: Tuner inline between K3s and known good dummy load. >> >> 1) Tuner off - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly >> 2) Tuner on in bypass - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly >> 3) Tuner on, and in Manual OR Auto Mode, tuner clicks and then Mode >> light starts blinking. >> >> All components in signal path obviously AND tested known good. >> >> Any ideas where to start troubleshooting the malfunction? >> >> -- >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Blinking-Mode-Light-tp7633192p7633194.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ky5g at montac.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 13:27:52 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 20:27:52 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting up K3 for FT8 Message-ID: <33f4982a-b7a6-9660-480b-9e8ee6324d3b@gmail.com> I'm the process of setting up WSJT to run FT8 on my K3, using an external sound card. Set DATA A mode on the K3, turned of Windows sounds (which don't go through my external sound card anyway). The WSJT instructions say to press the Tune button -- in WSJT, not the K3 -- and you should hear a tone in the radio's monitor function, which should be a "completely pure tone." At this point you can adjust the levels for the correct amount of drive. I can easily adjust the sound card output and K3 Mic gain to give me the desired four bars solid with the fifth flickering. The problem is that when I do this, the tone I hear in the K3 monitor is warbling -- not what I would call a "pure tone." Is this what I should hear or is something maladjusted? -- 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From andy.nehan at btinternet.com Tue Aug 8 16:47:37 2017 From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 21:47:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPAIO3MDKT - slightly different KPAIO3 pcb Message-ID: <8738543.62504.1502225257531.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> When I took out the KPAIO3 ready to install the 470mfd 16vw cap, as required for the above mod, I noted that my pcb looked different to that shown in the installation instructions. The track that as shown on figure 6 page 5 of the instructions that is routed away from the left most of the 4 pads (the one that the +ve lead of the cap is soldered to) was not present at all. The pad was present but NO track. Clearly I must have a different version of that KPAIO3 pcb. My question is, is the mod still valid?? Andy G4HUE From k9yeq at live.com Tue Aug 8 21:26:36 2017 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 01:26:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light In-Reply-To: References: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> <1502210264910-7633194.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Put a dummy load on output of KAT500 and if that doesn't give 1:1 then you have a cable issue. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:17 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light Did not include that in original post, but I AM holding the XMIT/TUNE button in to send the RF sig to KAT500. See just prior response. Also, K3s power set at ABOVE 7 watts,,,, both 10 Watts and above 12-13 to engage K3 PA... Trying to tune using the KAT500 causes the blinking mode light and an obvious break in the rf signal path to the antenna... What is key is that KAT500 in Bypass, K3s in Bypass, TUNE gives 3.6:1... Put KAT500 in Manual and TUNE on K3s gives 12.6:1 or higher. Do it in AUTO and the KAT500 kicks out, blinking mode, 99.9:1 SWR... obvious signal path disco. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2017 11:37 AM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi Clay, > > I could easily reproduce your problem. Note: I do not have the AUX > cable connected. Apparently you just pressed TUNE on the tuner. That > will not start the K3 sending a tuning tone. Thus the blinking LED > (MAN led if in manual mode, AUTO LED if in in AUTO mode). You must > press and hold the TUNE button on the K3 to send the tuning power you > have selected. The KAT500 will then instantly tune and the mode LED goes back to steady on. > > I don't know if this behavior is also present if the AUX cable is connected. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > Clay Autery-2 wrote >> Situation: Tuner inline between K3s and known good dummy load. >> >> 1) Tuner off - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly >> 2) Tuner on in bypass - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly >> 3) Tuner on, and in Manual OR Auto Mode, tuner clicks and then Mode >> light starts blinking. >> >> All components in signal path obviously AND tested known good. >> >> Any ideas where to start troubleshooting the malfunction? >> >> -- >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Blinking-Mode-Light-tp7633 > 192p7633194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ky5g at montac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From KY5G at montac.com Tue Aug 8 21:45:34 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 20:45:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light In-Reply-To: References: <51b34556-cfa6-5aec-d222-e0053b719ffa@montac.com> <1502210264910-7633194.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: We did that, and it was an instant 1:1.... Finally figured it out... this particular KAT500 spent its life hooked to a basic K3... It was behind on firmware updates by ELEVEN versions... Updated to current and it immediately started working... The version it had was PRE-K3s by several years. :) Problem solved! Thanks to all who took the time to try and help! 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2017 8:26 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Put a dummy load on output of KAT500 and if that doesn't give 1:1 then you have a cable issue. > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery > Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:17 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Blinking Mode Light > > Did not include that in original post, but I AM holding the XMIT/TUNE button in to send the RF sig to KAT500. > > See just prior response. > > Also, K3s power set at ABOVE 7 watts,,,, both 10 Watts and above 12-13 to engage K3 PA... > > Trying to tune using the KAT500 causes the blinking mode light and an obvious break in the rf signal path to the antenna... > What is key is that KAT500 in Bypass, K3s in Bypass, TUNE gives 3.6:1... > Put KAT500 in Manual and TUNE on K3s gives 12.6:1 or higher. > > Do it in AUTO and the KAT500 kicks out, blinking mode, 99.9:1 SWR... > obvious signal path disco. > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/8/2017 11:37 AM, ab2tc wrote: >> Hi Clay, >> >> I could easily reproduce your problem. Note: I do not have the AUX >> cable connected. Apparently you just pressed TUNE on the tuner. That >> will not start the K3 sending a tuning tone. Thus the blinking LED >> (MAN led if in manual mode, AUTO LED if in in AUTO mode). You must >> press and hold the TUNE button on the K3 to send the tuning power you >> have selected. The KAT500 will then instantly tune and the mode LED goes back to steady on. >> >> I don't know if this behavior is also present if the AUX cable is connected. >> >> AB2TC - Knut >> >> >> Clay Autery-2 wrote >>> Situation: Tuner inline between K3s and known good dummy load. >>> >>> 1) Tuner off - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly >>> 2) Tuner on in bypass - K3s tunes 1:1 instantly >>> 3) Tuner on, and in Manual OR Auto Mode, tuner clicks and then Mode >>> light starts blinking. >>> >>> All components in signal path obviously AND tested known good. >>> >>> Any ideas where to start troubleshooting the malfunction? >>> >>> -- >>> ______________________ >>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Blinking-Mode-Light-tp7633 >> 192p7633194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> ky5g at montac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From harryweston at btinternet.com Wed Aug 9 09:53:26 2017 From: harryweston at btinternet.com (harry weston) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 damaged by open circuit output References: <1615606182.595821.1502286806085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1615606182.595821.1502286806085@mail.yahoo.com> Hello A while ago I built a KPA100 to go with my K2, but unfortunately was careless while testing it and accidentally fed its output at a high power into a cable with a bad, open circuit PL259 connection. Whiff of magic smoke, panic, and I found several components in the TR switch badly scorched. The obviously damaged items are: R21, R13 and C71, and the 1K resistor across RFC3 is black and open circuit. RFC3 itself appears undamaged, and its inductance measures 88 micro-Henries. My question is, please: is it ok just to replace these burnt components, or is there likely to be further unseen damage that I should also allow for? If so what else should I replace, or are there any special tests I can do to find out? Thank you Harry Weston M0SOP From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 9 10:13:38 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 10:13:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 damaged by open circuit output In-Reply-To: <1615606182.595821.1502286806085@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1615606182.595821.1502286806085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1615606182.595821.1502286806085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25b8e8fb-c46d-aa87-bb77-0e86cd9cbe0f@embarqmail.com> Harry, I would replace those components that look damaged. When you begin testing it again, first set the bias. Then unplug the power cable to the KPA100 and power only the base K2. Run the base K2 at 10 watts while nulling and adjusting the wattmeter potentiometers R26 and R27. Once you have done the above, power the KPA100 once again and touch up the wattmeter reading at 80 or 100 watts. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2017 9:53 AM, harry weston wrote: > Hello > A while ago I built a KPA100 to go with my K2, but unfortunately was careless while testing it and accidentally fed its output at a high power into a cable with a bad, open circuit PL259 connection. Whiff of magic smoke, panic, and I found several components in the TR switch badly scorched. The obviously damaged items are: R21, R13 and C71, and the 1K resistor across RFC3 is black and open circuit. RFC3 itself appears undamaged, and its inductance measures 88 micro-Henries. > My question is, please: is it ok just to replace these burnt components, or is there likely to be further unseen damage that I should also allow for? If so what else should I replace, or are there any special tests I can do to find out? From tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 9 22:31:10 2017 From: tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net (Terry) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 21:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> Message-ID: <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> How many of you have seen this on current antenna bills before Congress? Terry, KQ5U From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 9 23:22:58 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 20:22:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 8/9/2017 7:31 PM, Terry wrote: > How many of you have seen this on current antenna bills before Congress? > > I have. The author, K1VR, is probably the best, most experienced and most respected attorney specializing in legal issues associated with antenna zoning and permitting. As such, he's seen all of the tricks and "gotchas" that can be thrown at you. KE1B, also an attorney, posted to a local club reflector strongly endorsing Fred's analysis of the bill. I attempted to post it to the CQ-Contest reflector and it disappeared into the great bit bucket. 73, Jim K9YC From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:43:00 2017 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 04:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] AGC and IF Output References: <470439615.902322.1502340180745.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470439615.902322.1502340180745@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, Simple question. I am using the K3 as part of a microwave EME station. I am using an SDR IQ on the IF output. My question is whether the AGC effects the IF output level.?? Doug K6JEY ? drzarkof56 at yahoo.com 562 810 3989? cell/text From dave at nk7z.net Thu Aug 10 01:21:18 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 22:21:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> Probably should add this to keep both sides in the picture. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/The%20Amateur%20Radio%20Parity%20Act%20FAQ.pdf 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/09/2017 07:31 PM, Terry wrote: > > How many of you have seen this on current antenna bills before Congress? > > > > > > Terry, KQ5U > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 10 02:01:21 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 23:01:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Note that K1VR goes through this with a fine toothed comb, showing both its inaccuracies and exposing serious problems with the Bill itself. Although I have no legal training beyond the English language, I find K1VR's analysis compelling. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/9/2017 10:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > robably should add this to keep both sides in the picture. > > http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/The%20Amateur%20Radio%20Parity%20Act%20FAQ.pdf > > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 10 02:09:15 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 23:09:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AGC and IF Output In-Reply-To: <470439615.902322.1502340180745@mail.yahoo.com> References: <470439615.902322.1502340180745.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <470439615.902322.1502340180745@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5effccac-c042-11c9-39af-f6099ec43027@triconet.org> No. On 8/9/2017 9:43 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote: > Hi All, Simple question. I am using the K3 as part of a microwave EME station. I am using an SDR IQ on the IF output. My question is whether the AGC effects the IF output level. Doug K6JEY > > drzarkof56 at yahoo.com > 562 810 3989 cell/text > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org From ki4tbd at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:12:44 2017 From: ki4tbd at yahoo.com (Erwin Haynes) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 06:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to all having brought this up!! I already, based the ARRL President's email, sent my endorsement to my Senators. Geez, between working overseas, trying to keep in touch with my state and city issues and elections - I guess I just sent my endorsement out for the bill based only on ARRL recommendation. Mea Culpa! However, our ARRL has for the most part always done smart things - from my view. It is not easy making everyone happy, all the time. In fact the ARRL is us -- just like government, we elect our reps. Having said that -- is this a "all or none" game? Could this bill be a footstep into future legislation, e.g. with some/all of the the valid issues that K1VR brings up to be addressed? Best Regards,?ErwinN7EAH From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Note that K1VR goes through this with a fine toothed comb, showing both its inaccuracies and exposing serious problems with the Bill itself. Although I have no legal training beyond the English language, I find K1VR's analysis compelling. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/9/2017 10:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > robably should add this to keep both sides in the picture. > > http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/The%20Amateur%20Radio%20Parity%20Act%20FAQ.pdf > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ki4tbd at yahoo.com From n6tv at arrl.net Thu Aug 10 02:54:57 2017 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 23:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TXD QSD fixed? In-Reply-To: <59889AFA.3050702@comcast.net> References: <59889AFA.3050702@comcast.net> Message-ID: Setting CONFIG:TX DLY to 20 ms will shorten the first element (dot or dash) by 20 ms (about). If you're using QSK, it will shorten *every* dot or dash by that amount. The new KSYN3A synthesizers do not change this. Setting CONFIG:CW QRQ ON will make the TX delay much shorter (how much shorter is not well documented, but it is significant). The length of a dot, in milliseconds, is 1200 / speed in WPM. So at 40 WPM, a dot is only 30 ms long, and you'll be removing 2/3rds of it with TX DLY 20 (but you may not hear this in the monitor). What amplifier are you keying with the K3 that requires such a long TX Delay to avoid hot switching? 73, Bob, N6TV On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 9:53 AM, brian wrote: > I wonder if the QSD keying problems when TXD was set >8 ms has vanished > with the new synthesizer boards? > > It sounds OK in the monitor when using an external keyer at TXD 20 ms. But > I've yet to get an over the air opinion. I seem to recall one could hear > it in the monitor. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6tv at arrl.net > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Aug 10 04:04:10 2017 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:04:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] AGC and IF Output Message-ID: <201708100804.v7A84BEn007011@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Doug, Wes answer your question, simply. A little more info on this: I believe AGC only operates in the 2nd IF in the digital domain of the K3 SDR. RF preamp and 1st conversion stage is constant gain which is all that you see at the IF output. I use the IF to drive two LP-Pan as fixed freq SDR's to provide I-Q signals for MAP65 on 2m-eme. I take both main IF and subRx IF because I simultaneously receive two polarity RF. So the good news is your SDR-IQ will see a fixed signal in direct relation to the signal level input to the K3. Very handy if looking at sky noise vs ground noise on mw. SDR-IQ signal level display will be in direct relation to signal from antenna (plus gain of transverter and K3 front end). I use my SDR-IQ in parallel with my K3 on the transverter IF which allows me to monitor ground noise floor on 1296+. Definitely see ground noise as antenna comes down to horizon or sees a tree or bldg. I measure my dish Tsun/cs this way using Spectravue in the continuous mode (amplitude vs time). 73, Ed - KL7UW 6m, 2m, 23cm eme ...9cm coming next Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 04:43:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Doug Millar To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] AGC and IF Output Message-ID: <470439615.902322.1502340180745 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All, Simple question. I am using the K3 as part of a microwave EME station. I am using an SDR IQ on the IF output. My question is whether the AGC effects the IF output level.?? Doug K6JEY 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 10 08:21:15 2017 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06c04ffe-b377-e574-d434-7fb854878174@nycap.rr.com> Excellent read that was written by an expert. A true example of giving with the big words (chest banging sound bytes etc.) and rhetoric - while taking away in the fine print. Written by contractual charlatans selling snake oil. I can see challenges lingering in the courts until the effected hams die of old age. Bill W2BLC K-Line -- Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do without. - John Dolan From gdanner12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 08:29:51 2017 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:29:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net><79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net><0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net><12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FF9B23C5093491584F7F39E9D35E6CE@OfficeDeskTop> A differing view: Having benefited greatly by the Telecommunications Act of 1996 in my former professional life, I doubt that the HOA, POA or COA (X owners associations) have been asleep at the wheel in dealing with antenna issues since then! Senator Nelsen's defeat of this bill last year for Florida shows just how powerful the (?) Owners Associations lobbying can be. My sense in reading the bill is that it may be the best compromise available. There had to been much mashing of teeth at ARRL for some of the wording. If the bill becomes law then we need to be very pro-active with the FCC during the comment period. The implementing of the law is up to the FCC and the "devil is in the details" of that implementing. If you ever read the FCC's Telecommunications Act primer, the FCC left the Associations very little wiggle room. I doubt Amateur Radio can ever fare as well. Hopefully Mr. Imlay at ARRL will keep us informed on that issue & how best to proceed. 73 George AI4VZ ---------------------------------------------------- Note that K1VR goes through this with a fine toothed comb, showing both its inaccuracies and exposing serious problems with the Bill itself. Although I have no legal training beyond the English language, I find K1VR's analysis compelling. From anyone1545 at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 08:33:49 2017 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act Message-ID: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPad From Andy at rickham.net Thu Aug 10 08:37:20 2017 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:37:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> I agree completely. It?s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. Regards Andy, G8TQH > On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > Ray > W8LYJ > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to andy at rickham.net From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 10 08:59:22 2017 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:59:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> References: <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> Message-ID: <7fcec200-c84e-4c68-564c-e85058f18bd4@nycap.rr.com> Just the few? Potential lack of antennas effects all in the USA - other nations may well follow. I cannot imagine how antenna issues would not be of interest on this reflector. If you do not feel concerned - hit the delete. Now back to my cave before I offend someone's tender feelings. -- Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do without. - John Dolan From davebelville at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 09:20:54 2017 From: davebelville at gmail.com (Dave Belville) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> Message-ID: I am sorry guys, I have to disagree with you. From the ARRL website, "The measure will, for the first time, guarantee all radio amateurs living in deed-restricted communities governed by a homeowner's association (HOA) or subject to any private land use regulations, the right to erect and maintain effective outdoor antennas at their homes". How is that not relevant to any discussion related to Ham Radio. For those that it will help, it may mean the difference between being active or inactive in the hobby. What good would our Elecraft rigs be (I have two of them) without effective antennas? I am lucky to live in an area where I can put up anything I want in my yard but some Hams live in areas that are so restricted that they can't even put an antenna up. They have to drape a wire off the balcony at night or string something around inside their shack. I have only one question. If you lived in a restricted area and could not put up an antenna, would you then think that discussion of this topic was appropriate in any Ham Radio venue? I support the bill, have emailed my representatives and think that all Hams should do the same. The more it is mentioned and discussed, the greater the chance it will become law. Some of our fellow Hams need this. Thank you, If you wish to chastise me, please do it off list. 73 Dave, KD9VT On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > I agree completely. It?s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at > all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > > > > On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: > > > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > > Ray > > W8LYJ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to andy at rickham.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelville at gmail.com From davebelville at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 09:24:29 2017 From: davebelville at gmail.com (Dave Belville) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> Message-ID: I am sorry guys, I have to disagree with you. From the ARRL website, "The measure will, for the first time, guarantee all radio amateurs living in deed-restricted communities governed by a homeowner's association (HOA) or subject to any private land use regulations, the right to erect and maintain effective outdoor antennas at their homes". How is that not relevant to any discussion related to Ham Radio. For those that it will help, it may mean the difference between being active or inactive in the hobby. What good would our Elecraft rigs be (I have two of them) without effective antennas? I am lucky to live in an area where I can put up anything I want in my yard but some Hams live in areas that are so restricted that they can't even put an antenna up. They have to drape a wire off the balcony at night or string something around inside their shack. I have only one question. If you lived in a restricted area and could not put up an antenna, would you then think that discussion of this topic was appropriate in any Ham Radio venue? I support the bill, have emailed my representatives and think that all Hams should do the same. The more it is mentioned and discussed, the greater the chance it will become law. Some of our fellow Hams need this. Thank you, If you wish to chastise me, please do it off list. 73 Dave, KD9VT On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > I agree completely. It?s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at > all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > > > > On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: > > > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > > Ray > > W8LYJ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to andy at rickham.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelville at gmail.com From davebelville at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 09:32:47 2017 From: davebelville at gmail.com (Dave Belville) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:32:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> Message-ID: I am sorry guys, I have to disagree with you. From the ARRL website, "The measure will, for the first time, guarantee all radio amateurs living in deed-restricted communities governed by a homeowner's association (HOA) or subject to any private land use regulations, the right to erect and maintain effective outdoor antennas at their homes". How is that not relevant to any discussion related to Ham Radio. For those that it will help, it may mean the difference between being active or inactive in the hobby. What good would our Elecraft rigs be (I have two of them) without effective antennas? I am lucky to live in an area where I can put up anything I want in my yard but some Hams live in areas that are so restricted that they can't even put an antenna up. They have to drape a wire off the balcony at night or string something around inside their shack. I have only one question. If you lived in a restricted area and could not put up an antenna, would you then think that discussion of this topic was appropriate in any Ham Radio venue? I support the bill, have emailed my representatives and think that all Hams should do the same. The more it is mentioned and discussed, the greater the chance it will become law. Some of our fellow Hams need this. Thank you, If you wish to chastise me, please do it off list. 73 Dave, KD9VT On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > I agree completely. It?s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at > all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > > > > On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: > > > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > > Ray > > W8LYJ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to andy at rickham.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelville at gmail.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 10 09:41:12 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> <743DE0A3-ADD8-4E59-B2AF-B1218A96E1BF@rickham.net> Message-ID: Like most bills that go through Congress, it's not perfect. My take, having lived in a HOA / Condo in S. FL, anything is better than nothing. And nothing is what we've had in the past. Today, I'm free, 2.5 acres, no antenna restrictions........except budget and my wife. Those, legislation can't fix. :-) 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 8/10/2017 8:32 AM, Dave Belville wrote: > I am sorry guys, I have to disagree with you. From the ARRL website, "The > measure will, for the first time, guarantee all radio amateurs living in > deed-restricted communities governed by a homeowner's association (HOA) or > subject to any private land use regulations, the right to erect and > maintain effective outdoor antennas at their homes". > > How is that not relevant to any discussion related to Ham Radio. For those > that it will help, it may mean the difference between being active or > inactive in the hobby. What good would our Elecraft rigs be (I have two of > them) without effective antennas? I am lucky to live in an area where I can > put up anything I want in my yard but some Hams live in areas that are so > restricted that they can't even put an antenna up. They have to drape a > wire off the balcony at night or string something around inside their > shack. I have only one question. If you lived in a restricted area and > could not put up an antenna, would you then think that discussion of this > topic was appropriate in any Ham Radio venue? > > I support the bill, have emailed my representatives and think that all Hams > should do the same. The more it is mentioned and discussed, the greater the > chance it will become law. Some of our fellow Hams need this. > > Thank you, > > If you wish to chastise me, please do it off list. > > 73 > > Dave, KD9VT > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > >> I agree completely. It?s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at >> all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. >> >> Regards >> Andy, G8TQH >> >> >>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: >>> >>> I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. >>> Ray >>> W8LYJ >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to andy at rickham.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to davebelville at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Thu Aug 10 09:45:01 2017 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:45:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <9FF9B23C5093491584F7F39E9D35E6CE@OfficeDeskTop> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net><79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net><0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net><12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <9FF9B23C5093491584F7F39E9D35E6CE@OfficeDeskTop> Message-ID: <007d01d311de$dd9f1a80$98dd4f80$@austin.rr.com> The HOA lobby is good - they got exactly the wording they wanted in this bill and they got the ARRL to support it. It is not a compromise - it gives the HOA complete discretion and control. My HOA defined reasonable as follows: "A telescoping mast, 30 feet tall when extended, painted sky blue, must remain fully retracted from 2 hours before local sunrise until two hours after local sunset, and additional quiet hours may be imposed if any neighborhood residents complain of interference." This was considered a gracious compromise on their part, because "all you really need to communicate world-wide is a hand held walkie talkie." That kind of thing will be the best compromise available under this bill. If this becomes law as written there will be no more details to work, protests will fall on deaf ears, and the HOA alone will define reasonable. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gmail - George Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:30 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act A differing view: Having benefited greatly by the Telecommunications Act of 1996 in my former professional life, I doubt that the HOA, POA or COA (X owners associations) have been asleep at the wheel in dealing with antenna issues since then! Senator Nelsen's defeat of this bill last year for Florida shows just how powerful the (?) Owners Associations lobbying can be. My sense in reading the bill is that it may be the best compromise available. There had to been much mashing of teeth at ARRL for some of the wording. If the bill becomes law then we need to be very pro-active with the FCC during the comment period. The implementing of the law is up to the FCC and the "devil is in the details" of that implementing. If you ever read the FCC's Telecommunications Act primer, the FCC left the Associations very little wiggle room. I doubt Amateur Radio can ever fare as well. Hopefully Mr. Imlay at ARRL will keep us informed on that issue & how best to proceed. 73 George AI4VZ ---------------------------------------------------- Note that K1VR goes through this with a fine toothed comb, showing both its inaccuracies and exposing serious problems with the Bill itself. Although I have no legal training beyond the English language, I find K1VR's analysis compelling. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu Aug 10 09:59:30 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 06:59:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a9c82d6-6749-a356-b455-0d1d9c254ebc@nk7z.net> I must agree! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/10/2017 05:33 AM, Gmail wrote: > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > Ray > W8LYJ > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From david at g4dmp.co.uk Thu Aug 10 10:23:27 2017 From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:23:27 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Guidance for Licensees Message-ID: <7b7991a6-546d-3c85-b7a0-93aa3bb3ac8b@g4dmp.co.uk> Last month the latest edition of Amateur Radio Licence - Guidance for licensees was published by Ofcom. I normally print this out as an A5 booklet and keep it by me to refer to in conjunction with my amateur licence. It is a very useful document. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/amateur_radio_licence_guidance_for_licensees.pdf 73 de David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 10 11:53:23 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed. Thread closed. In the interest of keeping list volume reasonable, it is lit policy that general amateur radio policy and political discussions are not appropriate for the reflector. There are a multitude of more appropriate places where these can take place. Please take this topic off list immediately. 73, Eric Elecraft Modertor etc. elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 10, 2017, at 5:33 AM, Gmail wrote: > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > Ray > W8LYJ > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 10 11:54:18 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act - Thread Closed In-Reply-To: <3a9c82d6-6749-a356-b455-0d1d9c254ebc@nk7z.net> References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> <3a9c82d6-6749-a356-b455-0d1d9c254ebc@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Thread Closed 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 10 11:54:52 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:54:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act In-Reply-To: <3a9c82d6-6749-a356-b455-0d1d9c254ebc@nk7z.net> References: <0EE736BC-8014-4B99-A96F-5931FF033908@gmail.com> <3a9c82d6-6749-a356-b455-0d1d9c254ebc@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <0B622C95-6E8B-4C62-A525-CF82D0C5DE8E@elecraft.com> Thread Closed. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 10 13:32:58 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:32:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/9/2017 11:12 PM, Erwin Haynes wrote: > Having said that -- is this a "all or none" game? Could this bill be a > footstep into future legislation, e.g. with some/all of the the valid > issues that K1VR brings up to be addressed? Apparently you did not read K1VR's analysis. He offered several suggestions for crafting a Bill without those issues, but noted that, due to how the legislative process works, it is VERY unlikely that it could be improved, and that IF the Senate were to pass a bill, it would be identical to the House Bill, which has the serious flaws noted. 73, Jim K9YC From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Thu Aug 10 13:37:16 2017 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:37:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net><79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net><0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net><12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com><2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> I was under the impression that this thread was CLOSED. Please respect the list owner's wishes. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:32 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act Apparently you did not read K1VR's analysis...................... From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 10 13:51:50 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:51:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/10/2017 10:37 AM, G4GNX wrote: > I was under the impression that this thread was CLOSED. Please respect > the list owner's wishes. > Note that I posted 6 hours before it was closed. And I posted again before getting to the email that closed it. FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. I'm lucky enough not to be restricted in this manner, but I know a lot of hams who are. 73, Jim K9YC From ka9p at aol.com Thu Aug 10 14:31:38 2017 From: ka9p at aol.com (Scott McDonald) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 12:31:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Handie Talkie cw operation Message-ID: Been having some great fun hiking around with the MFJ 20 meter monoband whip working cw out in western Colorado this week. I'm surprised that I was able to make several solid contacts in NAQP and CWOPS this way, but wondering if anyone has found a way to make the attached paddle any easier to use when walking around, maybe by mounting it to some kind of a handle separate from the radio? I can operate walking with the paddle attached to the radio, but its a bit awkward, and my hiking buddies find it a little too amusing to watch for my taste..... Scott ka9p Sent from my iPad From mark at mlb.net Thu Aug 10 14:41:15 2017 From: mark at mlb.net (Mark Bayern) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I guess I get to be the guy posting to a closed thread. ouch! >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is difficult. Mark AD5SS any responses by email please! On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/10/2017 10:37 AM, G4GNX wrote: >> >> I was under the impression that this thread was CLOSED. Please respect the >> list owner's wishes. >> > Note that I posted 6 hours before it was closed. And I posted again before > getting to the email that closed it. > > FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted > housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. I'm > lucky enough not to be restricted in this manner, but I know a lot of hams > who are. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to plcmark at gmail.com From wbmccarty at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 01:53:35 2017 From: wbmccarty at gmail.com (W B McCarty) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: With due respect for those who disagree, it's not about us. I consider that the need for a well-crafted Parity Act is NOT ours but a need of our sons and daughters and THEIR sons and daughters, few of whom are parties to the contracts to which onerous and often unconstitutionally vague and broad CC&Rs are attached. If more than 80% of the US population is barred from using truly effective HF antennas, the future of amateur radio is in doubt. As a consequence, inadequacies in our national communications infrastructure could, in the context of a disaster, multiply serious harm to lives and property. As is often the case in the political realm, we'd do well to think a great deal less about ourselves and a great deal more about others. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Mark Bayern wrote: > I guess I get to be the guy posting to a closed thread. ouch! > > >>"FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a > restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US > hams. > > All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the > restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm > willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to > follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is > VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate > reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an > area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is > difficult. > > Mark AD5SS > > any responses by email please! > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > > On 8/10/2017 10:37 AM, G4GNX wrote: > >> > >> I was under the impression that this thread was CLOSED. Please respect > the > >> list owner's wishes. > >> > > Note that I posted 6 hours before it was closed. And I posted again > before > > getting to the email that closed it. > > > > FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a restricted > > housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US hams. > I'm > > lucky enough not to be restricted in this manner, but I know a lot of > hams > > who are. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to plcmark at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wbmccarty at gmail.com > -- Bill McCarty This message was NOT sent using my iPhone or anyone else's iPhone. From Andy at rickham.net Fri Aug 11 03:52:10 2017 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 08:52:10 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> I really thought this thread was closed. Nobody outside the USA cares about your internal politicking so please just give it a rest! Let?s get back to Elecraft and leave the American Politics Stuff somewhere else. Please. Andy > On 11 Aug 2017, at 06:53, W B McCarty wrote: > > With due respect for those who disagree, it's not about us. I consider that > the need for a well-crafted Parity Act is NOT ours but a need of our sons > and daughters and THEIR sons and daughters, few of whom are parties to the > contracts to which onerous and often unconstitutionally vague and broad > CC&Rs are attached. If more than 80% of the US population is barred from > using truly effective HF antennas, the future of amateur radio is in doubt. > As a consequence, inadequacies in our national communications > infrastructure could, in the context of a disaster, multiply serious harm > to lives and property. As is often the case in the political realm, we'd do > well to think a great deal less about ourselves and a great deal more about > others. > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Mark Bayern wrote: > >> I guess I get to be the guy posting to a closed thread. ouch! >> >>>> "FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a >> restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage of US >> hams. >> >> All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the >> restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm >> willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to >> follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is >> VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate >> reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an >> area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is >> difficult. >> >> Mark AD5SS >> >> any responses by email please! >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Jim Brown >> wrote: >>> On 8/10/2017 10:37 AM, G4GNX wrote: >>>> >>>> I was under the impression that this thread was CLOSED. Please respect >> the >>>> list owner's wishes. >>>> From wbmccarty at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 04:51:46 2017 From: wbmccarty at gmail.com (W B McCarty) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 01:51:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> Message-ID: I read the list offline, as I suppose many others do. I've carefully re-read the received messages in the thread, several times, and I find no message from a moderator, or anyone else, instructing that the thread be closed. That said, I readily take Andy at his word that such is the case and I apologize for prolonging the unwelcome thread. Perhaps various email clients differently classify the messages that constitute a thread. Thus, what you see as a thread may differ from what I see as a thread. Or perhaps the moderator's instruction appeared in another thread, one that I have not read. I admit that I read only a small fraction of the posted messages. Oddly, I have NO idea why I happened to read this particular thread. It actually was noise returned in a search on an unrelated topic. Cheers, On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:52 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > I really thought this thread was closed. > > Nobody outside the USA cares about your internal politicking so please > just give it a rest! Let?s get back to Elecraft and leave the American > Politics Stuff somewhere else. Please > -- Bill McCarty ?, WB6LA ? From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk Fri Aug 11 05:39:43 2017 From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:39:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> Message-ID: Andy McMullin wrote: > I really thought this thread was closed. > > Nobody outside the USA cares about your internal politicking so please > just give it a rest! Let?s get back to Elecraft and leave the American > Politics Stuff somewhere else. Please. It is something that affects the rest of the world. Other countries have similar restrictions and may follow america to tighter (or looser) crippling of amateur radio. -- Brian D G3VGZ Yarm England From davebelville at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 09:15:41 2017 From: davebelville at gmail.com (Dave Belville) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 08:15:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> Message-ID: Wow Andy, what a selfish response. Suppose no one in the US cared about working people in England or couldn't because we could not put up an antenna. Obviously you wouldn't care but there are a lot of people in England that belong to clubs in the US and actively participate in events. I worked a gentleman in England that was county hunting in the US. Because you are "outside the USA" you must not care if he gets the counties he needs. It's not about " internal politicking". It's about allowing people to successfully pursue a hobby. A hobby that you obviously enjoy but since you have what you want, who cares about the rest of the world. I thought people in your country were friendly and considerate. I hope you are the exception and not the rule. By the way, it took you more time to write and send that response than it would to hit the "Delete" button (which is what I will do with your posts going forward). Dave KD9VT On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > I really thought this thread was closed. > > Nobody outside the USA cares about your internal politicking so please > just give it a rest! Let?s get back to Elecraft and leave the American > Politics Stuff somewhere else. Please. > > Andy > > > > > > > > On 11 Aug 2017, at 06:53, W B McCarty wrote: > > > > With due respect for those who disagree, it's not about us. I consider > that > > the need for a well-crafted Parity Act is NOT ours but a need of our sons > > and daughters and THEIR sons and daughters, few of whom are parties to > the > > contracts to which onerous and often unconstitutionally vague and broad > > CC&Rs are attached. If more than 80% of the US population is barred from > > using truly effective HF antennas, the future of amateur radio is in > doubt. > > As a consequence, inadequacies in our national communications > > infrastructure could, in the context of a disaster, multiply serious harm > > to lives and property. As is often the case in the political realm, we'd > do > > well to think a great deal less about ourselves and a great deal more > about > > others. > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Mark Bayern wrote: > > > >> I guess I get to be the guy posting to a closed thread. ouch! > >> > >>>> "FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a > >> restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage > of US > >> hams. > >> > >> All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the > >> restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm > >> willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to > >> follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is > >> VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate > >> reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an > >> area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is > >> difficult. > >> > >> Mark AD5SS > >> > >> any responses by email please! > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Jim Brown > >> wrote: > >>> On 8/10/2017 10:37 AM, G4GNX wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I was under the impression that this thread was CLOSED. Please respect > >> the > >>>> list owner's wishes. > >>>> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelville at gmail.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 11 10:09:33 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:09:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: 'Gentlemen', This thread was closed yesterday - in several posts by the moderator (me). Further posts on this topic will incur the wrath of the moderator. Take it off list - now. 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 8/9/2017 11:12 PM, Erwin Haynes wrote: >> Having said that -- is this a "all or none" game? Could this bill be a footstep into future legislation, e.g. with some/all of the the valid issues that K1VR brings up to be addressed? > > Apparently you did not read K1VR's analysis. He offered several suggestions for crafting a Bill without those issues, but noted that, due to how the legislative process works, it is VERY unlikely that it could be improved, and that IF the Senate were to pass a bill, it would be identical to the House Bill, which has the serious flaws From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 11 10:12:26 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:12:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act In-Reply-To: References: <8202fa71-07f1-ba70-75cd-e63e23ae98a4@cebridge.net> <79cff533-2bf6-26cb-59b7-2e7b5dd80a74@sbcglobal.net> <0815dda5-5f75-b714-c277-2417f2785fea@nk7z.net> <12910bba-01ec-cbed-14db-304819bf019e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <2130221090.934298.1502345564280@mail.yahoo.com> <99060838-0b3a-042f-d0ab-eac1f460f18b@audiosystemsgroup.com> <80ADC5469A8F4DE89E2C038852DBC184@G4GNXLaptop> <8614fc9a-91eb-bdbc-0476-041236508e75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1070C3CA-38FE-4BA5-B2A4-38DBFB528515@rickham.net> Message-ID: <562AA22A-BCD7-4BD0-B889-D0FBE04ADDF8@elecraft.com> Personal attacks and critiques of the type below are in violation of Elecraft list policy. Please cease posts of this type immediately. Also note that this thread has been officially, and forcefully, closed. Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 11, 2017, at 6:15 AM, Dave Belville wrote: > > Wow Andy, what a selfish response. From smbertuzzo at bell.net Fri Aug 11 10:30:02 2017 From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/WSJT-X 1.80rc1 TX issue Message-ID: <1268246720.823985.1502461802776.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> Hello to the group.? I am receiving no problem at all. I am however having ?difficulty in ?getting WSJT-X to transmit. I am using a K3s. I have the K3s set up for Data A (USB) mode operation and have the MAIN:MIC Sel set to LINE IN. On the WSJT software Settings under the ? tab I have ?selected the K3 under Rig, set the serial port that I normally use for CAT control (COM 5 in my case), I have set PTT method to CAT, the set Mode to None, and set Split Operation to None. Not quite sure how to change the Transmit Audio source setting as it is greyed out. It is presently set for Front / Mic.? If I hit the TUNE button on the WSJT software my transceiver goes into transmit mode but there is no output at all.? Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciate. Thank you in advance. 73 Serge VA3SB From phystad at mac.com Fri Aug 11 10:54:58 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:54:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 versus K3 Keyer Speed Message-ID: <118EC3E7-2CA3-4D63-9F18-0352EB91A9B7@mac.com> I think I have detected a subtle difference between the keyer speed of my KX2 and my K3. Is this possible? How far off? About one word per minute I think. The KX2 being faster that is. Thus, I run my K3 at 20 wpm as my normal speed and my KX2 at 19 wpm to obtain the same feel. Defininately not large enough to be a bother, I am mostly just curious as to whether this is true. I am using the very same Begali paddle with both rigs. Anyone else see this behavior or is it my imagination. It could be my imagination as I imagine a lot of different things but they are not usually about my KX2 and K3. 73, phil, K7PEH From phil.anderson at invades.net Fri Aug 11 12:08:02 2017 From: phil.anderson at invades.net (Philip Anderson) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:08:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/WSJT-X 1.80rc1 TX issue In-Reply-To: <1268246720.823985.1502461802776.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> References: <1268246720.823985.1502461802776.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> Message-ID: <7a93db21-f3fb-33d2-d301-be72f235d233@invades.net> The first thing to check is that you are actually feeding audio into the K3 MIC socket. Assuming that's OK, you also need to make sure whatever tone the WSJT software is generating is *below* the cut-off frequency of the K3's baseband audio filter. I've found on my KX2 that under certain settings, it's possible for WSJT to generate tones that are above this cut-off frequency (about 3KHz from memory), the symptoms are exactly as you describe (rig goes into transmit, but no R.F. transmitted). Phil G4PWO On 11/08/2017 15:30, Serge Bertuzzo wrote: > Hello to the group. > > I am receiving no problem at all. I am however having difficulty in getting > WSJT-X to transmit. I am using a K3s. > > I have the K3s set up for Data A (USB) mode operation and have the MAIN:MIC Sel > set to LINE IN. > > On the WSJT software Settings under the tab I have selected the K3 > under Rig, set the serial port that I normally use for CAT control (COM 5 in my > case), I have set PTT method to CAT, the set Mode to None, and set Split > Operation to None. Not quite sure how to change the Transmit Audio source > setting as it is greyed out. It is presently set for Front / Mic. > > If I hit the TUNE button on the WSJT software my transceiver goes into transmit > mode but there is no output at all. > > Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciate. Thank you in advance. > > 73 > > Serge > > VA3SB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phil.anderson at invades.net From mspmail2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 12:33:41 2017 From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:33:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? Message-ID: Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback if anyone cares to chime in. I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help with that.) Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is the base loaded vertical a joke? I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local AM stations. :) Mike AB7RU (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 12:49:59 2017 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:49:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/WSJT-X 1.80rc1 TX issue Message-ID: Hi Serge, The problem is in the audio path, since CAT and PTT are evidently working. Starting from the software - make sure the correct sound card output is selected. In view of the fact that you are able to receive and therefore must have been able to select the correct sound card input, this is likely not the problem. In the Windows sound card applet, under the Playback tab, select the sound card output you are using to send from, click on Properties, select the Levels tab and make sure the level setting is not at zero. I can't tell you what the setting should be, except that it should not be zero. If you are using the K3S's internal sound card (USB Audio codec), make sure nothing is plugged into the Line In jack on the back of the K3S. If you are using a computer sound card, make sure the cable between the sound card's output and the K3S's Line In jack is good. With CONFIG:MIC SEL set to LINE IN, rotate the K3S's MIC control . You will see LINE nnn in the bottom of the K3S's display, where nnn is the control setting - make sure nnn is not zero. With the the K3S in TX TEST mode, or the PWR control set to zero, or transmitting into a dummy load, put the software in transmit mode using an audio frequency in the middle of the bandpass (around 1500 Hz in DATA A). Adjust the Windows sound card level setting and the K3S's MIC control to get 4-5 bars displayed on the K3S's ALC meter. Once you have done that, you should be good to go. Once it is working, I would suggest that you put the K3S in Split mode and set Split Operation in WSJT-X to Rig. This will ensure that the software always transmits using audio between 1500 Hz and 2000 Hz, regardless of where the received signal is in your IF bandpass. If you find that using split results in excessive delays in starting to transmit, the workaround is to turn the K3S's VOX on and set PTT to VOX in WSJT-X. VOX works very well in DATA A mode (you might have to adjust the MAIN:VOX GN setting - it should be set high enough to keep the transmitter on reliably during your transmissions). 73, Rich VE3KI On 11/08/2017 15:30, Serge Bertuzzo wrote: > Hello to the group. > > I am receiving no problem at all. I am however having difficulty in getting > WSJT-X to transmit. I am using a K3s. > > I have the K3s set up for Data A (USB) mode operation and have the MAIN:MIC Sel > set to LINE IN. > > On the WSJT software Settings under the tab I have selected the K3 > under Rig, set the serial port that I normally use for CAT control (COM 5 in my > case), I have set PTT method to CAT, the set Mode to None, and set Split > Operation to None. Not quite sure how to change the Transmit Audio source > setting as it is greyed out. It is presently set for Front / Mic. > > If I hit the TUNE button on the WSJT software my transceiver goes into transmit > mode but there is no output at all. > > Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciate. Thank you in advance. > > 73 > > Serge > > VA3SB From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Fri Aug 11 12:54:15 2017 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. 73! Tom - KB2SMS On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback > if anyone cares to chime in. > I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am > not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > > Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love > the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of > anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to > say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for > one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one > reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help > with that.) > > Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is > the base loaded vertical a joke? > > I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and > get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local > AM stations. :) > > Mike AB7RU > > (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get > a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like > 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match > to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but > I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 13:01:01 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:01:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For those wondering if your receivers are functioning OK ... I suggest you learn about and check the hourly propagation forecasts on WWV. Learn about the A and K index numbers, too. They'll give you a pretty good idea of what to expect. HF band conditions are directly related to sunspot and solar flare activity, both of which fluctuate at an eleven year rate. Compromise antennas don't help, either. Your browser is your friend .... 73 Ken - K0PP From k3ndm at comcast.net Fri Aug 11 13:14:51 2017 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:14:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest something like this: http://www.hamqsl.com/solar3.html. It tells you A and K values SFI and solar wind values. Additionally, there is a plug in for a number of browsers from N0HR that shows you SFI, A and K values in a corner of your browser. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken G Kopp" To: "Elecraft" Sent: 8/11/2017 1:01:01 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions >For those wondering if your receivers are functioning OK ... > >I suggest you learn about and check the hourly propagation forecasts on >WWV. Learn about the A and K index numbers, too. They'll give you a >pretty >good idea of what to expect. > >HF band conditions are directly related to sunspot and solar flare >activity, both of which fluctuate at an eleven year rate. > >Compromise antennas don't help, either. > >Your browser is your friend .... > >73 > >Ken - K0PP >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Aug 11 13:19:34 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the ATU tune it and see you can hear. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: > > The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. > > 73! > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > > On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: >> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback >> if anyone cares to chime in. >> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am >> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the >> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). >> >> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love >> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of >> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to >> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for >> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is >> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one >> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help >> with that.) >> >> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just >> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is >> the base loaded vertical a joke? >> >> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and >> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. >> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local >> AM stations. :) >> >> Mike AB7RU >> >> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get >> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like >> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match >> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but >> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 11 13:24:02 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:24:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/WSJT-X 1.80rc1 TX issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use VOX for all digital modes. DATA A for all digital modes except RTTY, where I use AFSK. Works great. As Dick notes, you may have to adjust VOX Gain to get the rig to go into transmit, just like any other VOX operation. And, as with all digital operation, it's critical to not overdrive the radio with too much audio from the computer. Follow manual instructions for setting level from the computer to the radio and also for setting Line In gain. Start with a level from the computer in the range of 25%. For WSJT-X, I set CAT Control to the port my radio shows up on, set PTT method to VOX, set Mode to None, and set Split to None. With this setup, the only thing CAT is doing is setting and reading TX dial frequency (the frequency of the suppressed carrier in USB mode). The problem with using CAT for more than that is that Windoze can introduce unacceptable delays. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/11/2017 9:49 AM, Richard Ferch wrote: > Once it is working, I would suggest that you put the K3S in Split mode and > set Split Operation in WSJT-X to Rig. This will ensure that the software > always transmits using audio between 1500 Hz and 2000 Hz, regardless of > where the received signal is in your IF bandpass. > > If you find that using split results in excessive delays in starting to > transmit, the workaround is to turn the K3S's VOX on and set PTT to VOX in > WSJT-X. VOX works very well in DATA A mode (you might have to adjust the > MAIN:VOX GN setting - it should be set high enough to keep the transmitter > on reliably during your transmissions). From phil.anderson at invades.net Fri Aug 11 13:27:00 2017 From: phil.anderson at invades.net (Philip Anderson) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:27:00 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, The poor sunspot levels mostly affect the higher bands, so 40m (and 20m) should be OK (and have been for me). It might be that the noise levels in your apartment are just too high to operate successfully from there - when I'm in London I only operate portable for that reason. If your park operations are in a town/city park, a vertical antenna isn't the best choice, you'll pick up *far* less noise if you use a low height (e.g. 3 or 5metres high) horizontal dipole suspended from the trees. It'll have a high angle of radiation and so be useless for DX, but great for 40m NVIS rag chewing and (because of it's high angle of radiation) will give a huge noise improvement on the vertical. At least, that's what I have found operating in central London! I almost gave up trying, but with my current portable set-up, HF operations in central London are actually quite workable. More info on the antenna I use in London on my qrz.com page: https://www.qrz.com/db/G4PWO (The horizontal dipole might even be worth trying in your apartment, if you can fit it in!) Phil G4PWO On 11/08/2017 17:33, Mike Parkes wrote: > Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback > if anyone cares to chime in. > I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am > not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > > Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love > the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of > anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to > say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for > one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one > reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help > with that.) > > Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is > the base loaded vertical a joke? > > I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and > get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local > AM stations. :) > > Mike AB7RU > > (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get > a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like > 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match > to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but > I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phil.anderson at invades.net From volker.debus at t-online.de Fri Aug 11 13:31:53 2017 From: volker.debus at t-online.de (volker.debus at t-online.de) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:31:53 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: F20EFD59-2F13-46D9-812E-F2D3327CBA35@mobileclient.telekom.de Gesendet mit der Telekom Mail App -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: Barry > Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions Datum: 11.08.2017, 19:16 Uhr An: Ken G Kopp >, Elecraft > I suggest something like this: http://www.hamqsl.com/solar3.html. It tells you A and K values SFI and solar wind values. Additionally, there is a plug in for a number of browsers from N0HR that shows you SFI, A and K values in a corner of your browser. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken G Kopp" To: "Elecraft" Sent: 8/11/2017 1:01:01 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions >For those wondering if your receivers are functioning OK ... > >I suggest you learn about and check the hourly propagation forecasts on >WWV. Learn about the A and K index numbers, too. They'll give you a >pretty >good idea of what to expect. > >HF band conditions are directly related to sunspot and solar flare >activity, both of which fluctuate at an eleven year rate. > >Compromise antennas don't help, either. > >Your browser is your friend .... > >73 > >Ken - K0PP >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to volker.debus at t-online.de From rich at wc3t.us Fri Aug 11 13:32:27 2017 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:32:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: I have S6 or so noise at home, and am sort of resigned to it; This weekend I'm at my brother in law's house in Western MA with S1 noise. I was astonished. Put my KX3 up and a Superantenna and was able to check into a net where the net control was in MD on 40 meters, using 9 watts. Keep on dialing around. The contacts are there but you need to be a bit artful getting them. On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com < > http://bandconditions.com/> > > Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if > that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. > > Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly > to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 > feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 > foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the > ATU tune it and see you can hear. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: > > > > The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. > > > > 73! > > > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > >> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some > feedback > >> if anyone cares to chime in. > >> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I > am > >> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > >> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > >> > >> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). > Love > >> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear > much of > >> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to > >> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines > for > >> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > >> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > >> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and > one > >> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could > help > >> with that.) > >> > >> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > >> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or > is > >> the base loaded vertical a joke? > >> > >> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try > and > >> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > >> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some > local > >> AM stations. :) > >> > >> Mike AB7RU > >> > >> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to > get > >> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like > >> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a > match > >> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... > but > >> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), Rich Hurd / WC3T DMR ID: 3142737 Northampton County RACES EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 11 13:43:44 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:43:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/11/2017 9:33 AM, Mike Parkes wrote: > I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one > reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help > with that.) > > Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is > the base loaded vertical a joke? Band conditions ARE lousy, virtually all residential and industrial areas are full of noise from electronics of all sorts, especially switch-mode power supplies, the antenna you've chosen requires radials or a counterpoise, and short base-loaded verticals are seriously compromised antennas. A wire thrown into a tree with another wire a few feet off the ground connected to the rig chassis is a far better antenna. I use #22 for the kind of operation you do in the park.The same wire can also be taped to a telescoping fiberglass pole if there are no trees. The closer the length is to a quarter-wave the better. :) If there are hills or mountains around you, head for the top of one of them. The ground slope will help your transmitted signal, and if there are no buildings or radio towers around, it will probably be a lot quieter. Another problem is that, except for contesting and DXing, CW band activity has fallen over the years. 30M is a very good band for QRP, and sometimes has more daytime activity than 40 CW; 20M daytime activity tends to be greater, but the higher you go in frequency, conditions get worse. :) As to noise -- you're probably going to have to give up on operating from your apartment. The likelihood is that every apartment has at least a dozen nasty noise sources, and many have a lot more. 73, Jim K9YC From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Fri Aug 11 13:53:01 2017 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <289b1ddc-9f41-8c12-f533-3258f1543861@hvc.rr.com> I use a similar set up on my KX2 (per the manual) and it works very well. Simple and effective. When the band cooperates. 73! Tom - KB2SMS On 08/11/2017 01:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the ATU tune it and see you can hear. > > wunder > K6WRU > From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 13:59:55 2017 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:59:55 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: <598dea70.96c86b0a.e7020.ec83SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <598dea70.96c86b0a.e7020.ec83SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There are so many useful propagation tools available today, use them! http://www.bandconditions.com/ 73, F5VJC On 11 August 2017 at 19:31, wrote: > > > > > Gesendet mit der Telekom Mail App > ios_smartphone_footerlink.htm> > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Von: Barry > > Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions > Datum: 11.08.2017, 19:16 Uhr > An: Ken G Kopp >, Elecraft > > > > I suggest something like this: > > http://www.hamqsl.com/solar3.html. It tells you A and K values SFI and > solar wind values. Additionally, there is a plug in for a number of > browsers from N0HR that shows you SFI, A and K values in a corner of > your browser. > > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Ken G Kopp" > To: "Elecraft" > Sent: 8/11/2017 1:01:01 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions > > >For those wondering if your receivers are functioning OK ... > > > >I suggest you learn about and check the hourly propagation forecasts on > >WWV. Learn about the A and K index numbers, too. They'll give you a > >pretty > >good idea of what to expect. > > > >HF band conditions are directly related to sunspot and solar flare > >activity, both of which fluctuate at an eleven year rate. > > > >Compromise antennas don't help, either. > > > >Your browser is your friend .... > > > >73 > > > >Ken - K0PP > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to volker.debus at t-online.de > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 11 14:05:55 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:05:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 versus K3 Keyer Speed In-Reply-To: <118EC3E7-2CA3-4D63-9F18-0352EB91A9B7@mac.com> References: <118EC3E7-2CA3-4D63-9F18-0352EB91A9B7@mac.com> Message-ID: Sure. Speed definitions for Morse code are a bit fuzzy at best. Measured in WPM, it depends on the "words" since it will take a lot longer to send "JY1JP" than to send "N5EEE" even though they both have 5 letters. The standard "word" originally was "MORSE" which has 50 dot times. Urban legend has it that it was changed to "PARIS" [also 50 dot times] when the world was defining the Prime Meridian, but that's another probably apocryphal story. If you can observe the keying when sending continuous dots ... AND the key down/key up times are equal ... AND the key down time when sending continuous dashes is 3 times the dot time ... AND the key up time on continuous dashes is the same as the key-up time for dots, then you can compare two different keyers. With hand sending however, 1 WPM is probably way into the noise. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/11/2017 7:54 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I think I have detected a subtle difference between the keyer speed of my KX2 and my K3. Is this possible? From volker.debus at t-online.de Fri Aug 11 14:09:50 2017 From: volker.debus at t-online.de (volker.debus at t-online.de) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:09:50 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: <598dea70.96c86b0a.e7020.ec83SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A171A07C-618C-4523-90B6-8A2F0F518976@mobileclient.telekom.de And hopefully so many other forums/ reflectors for OT 73 DL4ZBG Gesendet mit der Telekom Mail App -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: F5vjc > Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions Datum: 11.08.2017, 20:00 Uhr An: volker.debus at t-online.de CC: Barry LaZar >, Ken G Kopp >, Elecraft Reflector < elecraft at mailman.qth.net > There are so many useful propagation tools available today, use them! ?http://www.bandconditions.com/ 73, F5VJC On 11 August 2017 at 19:31, > wrote: Gesendet mit der Telekom Mail App > -----Original-Nachricht----- Von: Barry > > Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions Datum: 11.08.2017, 19:16 Uhr An: Ken G Kopp > >, Elecraft > > I suggest something like this: http://www.hamqsl.com/solar3.html . It tells you A and K values SFI and solar wind values. Additionally, there is a plug in for a number of browsers from N0HR that shows you SFI, A and K values in a corner of your browser. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken G Kopp" > To: "Elecraft" > Sent: 8/11/2017 1:01:01 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions >For those wondering if your receivers are functioning OK ... > >I suggest you learn about and check the hourly propagation forecasts on >WWV. Learn about the A and K index numbers, too. They'll give you a >pretty >good idea of what to expect. > >HF band conditions are directly related to sunspot and solar flare >activity, both of which fluctuate at an eleven year rate. > >Compromise antennas don't help, either. > >Your browser is your friend .... > >73 > >Ken - K0PP >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to volker.debus at t-online.de ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com From wb3aal at verizon.net Fri Aug 11 14:15:43 2017 From: wb3aal at verizon.net (Ron Polityka) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:15:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01d312cd$d8b45950$8a1d0bf0$@verizon.net> Hello, I am making contacts every day with either my K2 or K1 at 5 watts. Worked 9A1JSB two days ago. 73 Ron Polityka WB3AAL -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:01 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions For those wondering if your receivers are functioning OK ... I suggest you learn about and check the hourly propagation forecasts on WWV. Learn about the A and K index numbers, too. They'll give you a pretty good idea of what to expect. HF band conditions are directly related to sunspot and solar flare activity, both of which fluctuate at an eleven year rate. Compromise antennas don't help, either. Your browser is your friend .... 73 Ken - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb3aal at verizon.net From phil.anderson at invades.net Fri Aug 11 14:21:21 2017 From: phil.anderson at invades.net (Philip Anderson) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:21:21 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AM breakthrough (&KX2) Message-ID: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> Hi everyone, I have been using a KX2 as my main rig for most of this year, it works very well although the receiver sometimes struggles a bit from my favorite portable location right next to the sea, where there's often a large amount of very strong signals. Because of this, recent review comparisons of the KX2 with the KX3 tempted me to buy a KX3 mostly for the extra receive performance. Unfortunately, when I tried the KX3 from my favorite portable location next to the sea yesterday, I had a problem with breakthrough of an AM broadcast station on 20m, the only way I could completely eliminate the problem was by turning on RX SHIFT, which unfortunately disables the roofing filter (a big reason for buying the KX3) and dual watch. I understand from comments I have read that this issue is an inherent weakness of the direct conversion architecture, however - my KX2 never suffers from this problem. So before surrendering to the possibility that I've spent $$$ on a larger KX2 with disabled dual watch ;) I thought I'd explore alternatives to using the RX SHIFT feature. Since I've never had this problem with my KX2, and since that radio does not have the RX SHIFT feature, I'm assuming that for some hardware reason, the problem of AM broadcast breakthrough is not expected on the KX2. Does anyone know what the difference between the two is? I suspect that the KX2 has a more severe high pass filter, in which case a 3Mhz high pass filter in the KX3 aerial lead might help sort out everything above top band. Has anyone tried that? Has anyone found any other solutions? Phil G4PWO From john at kn5l.net Fri Aug 11 14:22:41 2017 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:22:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 versus K3 Keyer Speed In-Reply-To: <118EC3E7-2CA3-4D63-9F18-0352EB91A9B7@mac.com> References: <118EC3E7-2CA3-4D63-9F18-0352EB91A9B7@mac.com> Message-ID: <0dc20992-5925-7b43-8040-10c24dc70c28@kn5l.net> Hi Phil, Yes there is a little difference. One standard for WPM can be found in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code as T = 1200 / W or WPM = 1200 / T Where T is dot duration in mS. To remove weighting, using an oscilloscope to measure Dot and Space time. The keyer is using the micro-controller, which is doing other things, therefore there is a little jitter. To filter jitter out, oscilloscope averaging is enabled. K3 116.0 mS (Dot+Space) = 20.7 WPM KX2 114.8 mS (Dot+Space) = 20.9 WPM John KN5L On 08/11/2017 09:54 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I think I have detected a subtle difference between the keyer speed of my KX2 and my K3. Is this possible? How far off? About one word per minute I think. The KX2 being faster that is. Thus, I run my K3 at 20 wpm as my normal speed and my KX2 at 19 wpm to obtain the same feel. Defininately not large enough to be a bother, I am mostly just curious as to whether this is true. From donovanf at starpower.net Fri Aug 11 14:47:53 2017 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <601698464.16833698.1502477273829.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Hi Mike, You're in a perfect storm of - high urban noise, - QRP power, - inefficient modulation if you're using only SSB voice - low sunspot activity, - a very inefficient antenna, and - an urban environment that makes any antenna much less efficient Spokane is surrounded by beautiful rural parks and public lands w here you can easily escape your high urban noise environment. You didn't mention what modulation you're using. If you're using only SSB voice, you've chosen the least efficient modulation method. CW or the highly efficient digital modes such as FT8 or JT65 are far better choices for QRP power. You'll enjoy much better success if you focus on the 40, 30 and 20 meter bands which are much less affected by the current low sunspot conditions. 17 meters can also be a good choice for QRP power and simple antennas on days when when propagation is favorable. While y our vertical with a minimal ground system could be an adequate antenna on the ocean front hundreds of miles from your QTH, its a terribly inefficient antenna in your urban environment Any horizontally polarized antenna would be a much better choice. A half wave horizontally polarized dipole or a properly engineered half wave end fed antenna are much better choices. Horizontally polarized antennas at least 15 feet high are fairly efficient for domestic contacts. They perform much better for DX contacts if they're on a hilltop, mountaintop or steeply sloping terrain. If you're a member of a local radio club they can help you quickly gain some success. 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Parkes" To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 4:33:41 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback if anyone cares to chime in. I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help with that.) Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is the base loaded vertical a joke? I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local AM stations. :) Mike AB7RU (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Aug 11 14:53:31 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:53:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AM breakthrough (&KX2) In-Reply-To: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> References: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> Message-ID: The KX2 has internal filtering to reject frequencies below 3 MHz. The filter is 30 dB down at 1.5 MHz, and 56 dB down at 1 MHz. The KX3 does not have that filtering, probably because it would interfere with performance on 160 m. There was some discussion of this a few years ago, including suggestions for commercial filters. http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Broadcast-band-interference-td7568427.html http://www.digitalhams.net/ForumMsgs/msgsDisp.php?forum=KX3&subject=Broadcast+Band+Interference Contact Elecraft support and they should send you a schematic for a high pass filter that rejects the AM broadcast band. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Philip Anderson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have been using a KX2 as my main rig for most of this year, it works very well although the receiver sometimes struggles a bit from my favorite portable location right next to the sea, where there's often a large amount of very strong signals. > > Because of this, recent review comparisons of the KX2 with the KX3 tempted me to buy a KX3 mostly for the extra receive performance. Unfortunately, when I tried the KX3 from my favorite portable location next to the sea yesterday, I had a problem with breakthrough of an AM broadcast station on 20m, the only way I could completely eliminate the problem was by turning on RX SHIFT, which unfortunately disables the roofing filter (a big reason for buying the KX3) and dual watch. > > I understand from comments I have read that this issue is an inherent weakness of the direct conversion architecture, however - my KX2 never suffers from this problem. > > So before surrendering to the possibility that I've spent $$$ on a larger KX2 with disabled dual watch ;) I thought I'd explore alternatives to using the RX SHIFT feature. > > Since I've never had this problem with my KX2, and since that radio does not have the RX SHIFT feature, I'm assuming that for some hardware reason, the problem of AM broadcast breakthrough is not expected on the KX2. > > Does anyone know what the difference between the two is? I suspect that the KX2 has a more severe high pass filter, in which case a 3Mhz high pass filter in the KX3 aerial lead might help sort out everything above top band. > > Has anyone tried that? > > Has anyone found any other solutions? > > Phil G4PWO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From keith.hutt at virgin.net Fri Aug 11 14:54:07 2017 From: keith.hutt at virgin.net (Keith Hutt) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:54:07 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: <598dea70.96c86b0a.e7020.ec83SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Personally i find the best way to turn on the radio spin the VFO and put out a few calls. Far more accurate than the so called "Band Propagation" tools. Many times the internet has said Band conditions Useless, take up knitting or something, when in actual fact the bands are open. How on earth did we manage before the internet to see what conditions were like? So many operators seem to be of the attitude "The internet says bands are poor" it must be so. Maybe I'm a dinosaur but no internet in my shack its 60 yds from the house and you know what i still make contacts every day. Despite hearing comments of, i could not survive without high speed internet etc etc in the shack it tells me when bands are open shows me who I'm working etc etc. Regards Keith G0TSH -----Original Message----- From: F5vjc Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:59 PM To: volker.debus at t-online.de Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions There are so many useful propagation tools available today, use them! http://www.bandconditions.com/ 73, F5VJC From alsopb at comcast.net Fri Aug 11 15:01:09 2017 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:01:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <601698464.16833698.1502477273829.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> References: <601698464.16833698.1502477273829.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Message-ID: <598DFEF5.2020808@comcast.net> In other words, don't stack the deck against yourself so heavily. Reminds me of CQ article. The author took a 1 w rig, buddipole and a beach chair to the shore. After two days he made no contacts. He said he had fun. So maybe fun isn't all about making a ton of contacts-- perhaps the scenery at the beach was enough. If contacts are what your after, Frank's points are all well taken. In these days of low sunspots bring the highest power/power source you can lug to the game. It's the opposite of the usual expression. They have to hear you to work them. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/11/2017 18:47 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote: > Hi Mike, > > > You're in a perfect storm of > - high urban noise, > - QRP power, > - inefficient modulation if you're using only SSB voice > - low sunspot activity, > - a very inefficient antenna, and > - an urban environment that makes any antenna much less efficient > > > Spokane is surrounded by beautiful rural parks and public lands > w here you can easily escape your high urban noise environment. > > > You didn't mention what modulation you're using. If you're using > only SSB voice, you've chosen the least efficient modulation method. > CW or the highly efficient digital modes such as FT8 or JT65 are > far better choices for QRP power. > > > > You'll enjoy much better success if you focus on the 40, 30 and 20 > meter bands which are much less affected by the current low sunspot > conditions. 17 meters can also be a good choice for QRP power and > simple antennas on days when when propagation is favorable. > > > While y our vertical with a minimal ground system could be an adequate > antenna on the ocean front hundreds of miles from your QTH, its a > terribly inefficient antenna in your urban environment > > > Any horizontally polarized antenna would be a much better choice. > A half wave horizontally polarized dipole or a properly engineered > half wave end fed antenna are much better choices. Horizontally > polarized antennas at least 15 feet high are fairly efficient for > domestic contacts. They perform much better for DX contacts if they're > on a hilltop, mountaintop or steeply sloping terrain. > > > If you're a member of a local radio club they can help you quickly > gain some success. > > > 73 > Frank > W3LPL > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Parkes" > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 4:33:41 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? > > Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback > if anyone cares to chime in. > I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am > not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > > Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love > the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of > anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to > say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for > one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one > reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help > with that.) > > Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is > the base loaded vertical a joke? > > I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and > get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local > AM stations. :) > > Mike AB7RU > > (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get > a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like > 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match > to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but > I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 11 15:08:07 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:08:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/WSJT-X 1.80rc1 TX issue In-Reply-To: <1268246720.823985.1502461802776.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> References: <1268246720.823985.1502461802776.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui04> Message-ID: What are the settings on the "Audio" tab? Mine are Input : Microphone xxx USB Audio CODEC Output: Speakers xxx USB Audio CODEC Wes N7WS On 8/11/2017 7:30 AM, Serge Bertuzzo wrote: > Hello to the group. > > I am receiving no problem at all. I am however having difficulty in getting > WSJT-X to transmit. I am using a K3s. > > I have the K3s set up for Data A (USB) mode operation and have the MAIN:MIC Sel > set to LINE IN. > > On the WSJT software Settings under the tab I have selected the K3 > under Rig, set the serial port that I normally use for CAT control (COM 5 in my > case), I have set PTT method to CAT, the set Mode to None, and set Split > Operation to None. Not quite sure how to change the Transmit Audio source > setting as it is greyed out. It is presently set for Front / Mic. > > If I hit the TUNE button on the WSJT software my transceiver goes into transmit > mode but there is no output at all. > > Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciate. Thank you in advance. > > 73 > > Serge > > VA3SB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org From donovanf at starpower.net Fri Aug 11 15:21:26 2017 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1074215331.16894146.1502479286050.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Hi Keith, The internet is a fantastic tool for real time propagation reporting . By far my favorite site is: https://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html >From left to right at the top of the page, select: - the band you're interested in, or all bands - signals - sent by - grid square - your two character grid field (e.g. FM) - all modes - then click GO Who says propagation is bad from the Pacific Northwest (Grid Field DN)? There a hundreds of 20 meter propagation reports in just the last minute. Most of the transmitters are running less than 50 watts to simple antennas. Enjoy! 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Hutt" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:54:07 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions Personally i find the best way to turn on the radio spin the VFO and put out a few calls. Far more accurate than the so called "Band Propagation" tools. Many times the internet has said Band conditions Useless, take up knitting or something, when in actual fact the bands are open. How on earth did we manage before the internet to see what conditions were like? So many operators seem to be of the attitude "The internet says bands are poor" it must be so. Maybe I'm a dinosaur but no internet in my shack its 60 yds from the house and you know what i still make contacts every day. Despite hearing comments of, i could not survive without high speed internet etc etc in the shack it tells me when bands are open shows me who I'm working etc etc. Regards Keith G0TSH -----Original Message----- From: F5vjc Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:59 PM To: volker.debus at t-online.de Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions There are so many useful propagation tools available today, use them! http://www.bandconditions.com/ 73, F5VJC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 15:26:29 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:26:29 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AM breakthrough (&KX2) In-Reply-To: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> References: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> Message-ID: I live in line of sight of a 50 kW AM BC station and I had interesting problems with my K3 when I was using a vertical antenna. I made a 3 MHz highpass filter which fixed it. Note also that the common T network style antenna tuner also is a highpass filter, so that could be a simple solution. Switching to a horizontally polarized antenna will also help if practical. Vic 4X6GP > On 11 Aug 2017, at 21:21, Philip Anderson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have been using a KX2 as my main rig for most of this year, it works very well although the receiver sometimes struggles a bit from my favorite portable location right next to the sea, where there's often a large amount of very strong signals. > > Because of this, recent review comparisons of the KX2 with the KX3 tempted me to buy a KX3 mostly for the extra receive performance. Unfortunately, when I tried the KX3 from my favorite portable location next to the sea yesterday, I had a problem with breakthrough of an AM broadcast station on 20m, the only way I could completely eliminate the problem was by turning on RX SHIFT, which unfortunately disables the roofing filter (a big reason for buying the KX3) and dual watch. > > I understand from comments I have read that this issue is an inherent weakness of the direct conversion architecture, however - my KX2 never suffers from this problem. > > So before surrendering to the possibility that I've spent $$$ on a larger KX2 with disabled dual watch ;) I thought I'd explore alternatives to using the RX SHIFT feature. > > Since I've never had this problem with my KX2, and since that radio does not have the RX SHIFT feature, I'm assuming that for some hardware reason, the problem of AM broadcast breakthrough is not expected on the KX2. > > Does anyone know what the difference between the two is? I suspect that the KX2 has a more severe high pass filter, in which case a 3Mhz high pass filter in the KX3 aerial lead might help sort out everything above top band. > > Has anyone tried that? > > Has anyone found any other solutions? > > Phil G4PWO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Aug 11 15:40:31 2017 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:40:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna or Lousy Band? Message-ID: <84DD44BF-FAB1-4656-B0E2-59E601D50AD5@law.du.edu> Probably both, and more in your urban apartment. I share your misery. The fact that the ATU could find a match doesn?t overcome the fact that an antenna showing a 25:1 SWR isn?t going to work very well. The ATU?s match simply transfers the problem to the feedline and away from the rig. I would suggest ? among other things ? investing in an antenna analyzer and doing what you can to bring the antenna into better compliance. I also have a KX3 and a Buddipole. The factory-suggested settings for the Buddipole are next to useless given proximity effects and the fact that the bandwidth of the antenna is exceedingly narrow. Without an analyzer you can?t really adjust it to the operating frequency. Except that at 25:1, it probably isn?t close. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:33:41 -0700 From: Mike Parkes To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback if anyone cares to chime in. I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help with that.) Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is the base loaded vertical a joke? I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local AM stations. :) Mike AB7RU (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 15:43:56 2017 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:43:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: <1074215331.16894146.1502479286050.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> References: <1074215331.16894146.1502479286050.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Message-ID: Whenever the topic of HF propagation comes up I remind everyone of this site: http://www.voacap.com/area/index.html You set your QTH, choose your band, antenna, and power. Then a single click will show you the probabilities of various-quality propagation to every spot in the world. You can save the values you've entered so that every time you bring up the site it is all ready for you. 73, Tony KT0NY From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 15:41:49 2017 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse Beaconing References: <1048726953.108853.1502480509083.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1048726953.108853.1502480509083@mail.yahoo.com> Is anyone else planning to do eclipse center line beaconing?? What is a good frequency??? Doug ? K6JEY drzarkof56 at yahoo.com 562 810 3989? cell/text From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 11 16:12:24 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:12:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AM breakthrough (&KX2) In-Reply-To: References: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> Message-ID: <24294bbc-d740-8a5e-4e96-20a81a990244@foothill.net> An open 1/4 wave stub at the BC station frequency might knock it down enough to eliminate the problem. That's only 71.3 m [234 ft] of coax if the station is at 1 MHz. [:-) More realistically, a series resonant L-C pair across the antenna connector might do the job with less weight. We used these in the "Olden Days" when the BC stn signal was driving the RF amp non-linear. Of course, we didn't also transmit out of that connector then either. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/11/2017 12:26 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I live in line of sight of a 50 kW AM BC station and I had interesting problems with my K3 when I was using a vertical antenna. I made a 3 MHz highpass filter which fixed it. Note also that the common T network style antenna tuner also is a highpass filter, so that could be a simple solution. Switching to a horizontally polarized antenna will also help if practical. > > Vic 4X6GP > From k3ndm at comcast.net Fri Aug 11 16:30:18 2017 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:30:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: <1074215331.16894146.1502479286050.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Message-ID: Tony, I do not recommend VOACAP to the uninitiated. It does require some knowledge of what it does and how it does it. Interpretation can be difficult if you haven't had a course in probability and statistics. Some of the other sites that have been suggested might be a better choice as the presentations are already interpreted. Frank, W3LPL, makes some good points. I'm typing this and looking at 40 meters at the same time. I can assure all that there is a lot of activity on the band, and I'm running an S6 noise level right now, with my preamp off. However, I am running a center fed inverted L cut for 80 meters and fed with ladder line. A quiet location would be superb, but I live in an urban environment. I can operate just about anytime I want because I am careful about what antennas I put up and how I feed them. My attitude has been to make an antenna that is ground independent, put up as high as you can, and if a little wire is good, more would be better. Shortened and loaded antennas work, but you do pay a penalty for their convenience. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Tony Estep" To: "Elecraft" Sent: 8/11/2017 3:43:56 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions >Whenever the topic of HF propagation comes up I remind everyone of this >site: > >http://www.voacap.com/area/index.html > >You set your QTH, choose your band, antenna, and power. Then a single >click >will show you the probabilities of various-quality propagation to every >spot in the world. You can save the values you've entered so that every >time you bring up the site it is all ready for you. > >73, >Tony KT0NY >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From phystad at mac.com Fri Aug 11 16:35:48 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 versus K3 Keyer Speed In-Reply-To: <0dc20992-5925-7b43-8040-10c24dc70c28@kn5l.net> References: <118EC3E7-2CA3-4D63-9F18-0352EB91A9B7@mac.com> <0dc20992-5925-7b43-8040-10c24dc70c28@kn5l.net> Message-ID: John, Thanks for the comments below. I actually thought of putting this on my oscilloscope to measure the actual timing but I was just too lazy. Another idea I had which I may still do is to record a string of dots from the KX2 and the K3 and then use signal processing to measure the timing between dots. I figure I can use Mathematica (Wolfram) for this. This is what I might do when I get an afternoon free to do it ? maybe in the dead of winter. 73, phil > On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:22 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > Yes there is a little difference. > > One standard for WPM can be found in: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code > as T = 1200 / W or WPM = 1200 / T > Where T is dot duration in mS. > > To remove weighting, using an oscilloscope to measure Dot and Space > time. The keyer is using the micro-controller, which is doing other > things, therefore there is a little jitter. To filter jitter out, > oscilloscope averaging is enabled. > > K3 116.0 mS (Dot+Space) = 20.7 WPM > KX2 114.8 mS (Dot+Space) = 20.9 WPM > > John KN5L > > > On 08/11/2017 09:54 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think I have detected a subtle difference between the keyer speed of my KX2 and my K3. Is this possible? How far off? About one word per minute I think. The KX2 being faster that is. Thus, I run my K3 at 20 wpm as my normal speed and my KX2 at 19 wpm to obtain the same feel. Defininately not large enough to be a bother, I am mostly just curious as to whether this is true. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From kwroberson at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 17:27:48 2017 From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse Beaconing In-Reply-To: <1048726953.108853.1502480509083@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1048726953.108853.1502480509083.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1048726953.108853.1502480509083@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1895392811.198172.1502486868443@mail.yahoo.com> Doug, I plan to run my 630M wspr beacon the day of the eclipse. 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM On Friday, August 11, 2017 3:03 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote: Is anyone else planning to do eclipse center line beaconing?? What is a good frequency??? Doug ? K6JEY drzarkof56 at yahoo.com 562 810 3989? cell/text ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kwroberson at yahoo.com From phil.anderson at invades.net Sat Aug 12 03:02:30 2017 From: phil.anderson at invades.net (Philip Anderson) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:02:30 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AM breakthrough (&KX2) In-Reply-To: <24294bbc-d740-8a5e-4e96-20a81a990244@foothill.net> References: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> <24294bbc-d740-8a5e-4e96-20a81a990244@foothill.net> Message-ID: <8008d8f1-e926-2ce7-7c0d-4a573a9f6f91@invades.net> Many thanks for all the thoughts and information people have offered on this issue! If in addition to the extra high pass filtering the KX2 has RX SHIFT permanently enabled, that certainly explains why it's immune to AM breakthrough. It sounds like it might be worth trying a 3Mhz low pass filter to sort out 80m and above and accepting that RX SHIFT will need to be used on top band (which I rarely use anyway). Because the local broadcast station is quite close to top band (around 1.6Mhz), I doubt a high pass filter that allowed top band through would reject the broadcast transmitter sufficiently to sort the problem. It seems like there might be a few commercial products which could work - or I could just get out my soldering iron! Phil G4PWO From phil.anderson at invades.net Sat Aug 12 03:08:25 2017 From: phil.anderson at invades.net (Philip Anderson) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:08:25 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AM breakthrough (&KX2) In-Reply-To: <8008d8f1-e926-2ce7-7c0d-4a573a9f6f91@invades.net> References: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> <24294bbc-d740-8a5e-4e96-20a81a990244@foothill.net> <8008d8f1-e926-2ce7-7c0d-4a573a9f6f91@invades.net> Message-ID: opps that should be a 3Mhz HIGH pass filter! On 12/08/2017 08:02, Philip Anderson wrote: > Many thanks for all the thoughts and information people have offered > on this issue! If in addition to the extra high pass filtering the KX2 > has RX SHIFT permanently enabled, that certainly explains why it's > immune to AM breakthrough. > > It sounds like it might be worth trying a 3Mhz low pass filter to sort > out 80m and above and accepting that RX SHIFT will need to be used on > top band (which I rarely use anyway). Because the local broadcast > station is quite close to top band (around 1.6Mhz), I doubt a high > pass filter that allowed top band through would reject the broadcast > transmitter sufficiently to sort the problem. > > It seems like there might be a few commercial products which could > work - or I could just get out my soldering iron! > > Phil G4PWO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phil.anderson at invades.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 12 03:51:20 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 00:51:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AM breakthrough (&KX2) In-Reply-To: References: <01234e0e-3377-5ab5-8c91-c5ca9810f6d2@invades.net> Message-ID: <76ACACD1-0FFF-41C3-AE04-90D79CCC6C30@elecraft.com> Wunder, The KX3 does have high-pass filtering integrated into the T/R switch, like the KX2. But it starts rolling off below the 160 m band. The KX2?s rolloff starts somewhat higher, as you noted. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > The KX2 has internal filtering to reject frequencies below 3 MHz. The filter is 30 dB down at 1.5 MHz, and 56 dB down at 1 MHz. The KX3 does not have that filtering, probably because it would interfere with performance on 160 m. > > There was some discussion of this a few years ago, including suggestions for commercial filters. > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Broadcast-band-interference-td7568427.html > http://www.digitalhams.net/ForumMsgs/msgsDisp.php?forum=KX3&subject=Broadcast+Band+Interference > > Contact Elecraft support and they should send you a schematic for a high pass filter that rejects the AM broadcast band. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Philip Anderson wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have been using a KX2 as my main rig for most of this year, it works very well although the receiver sometimes struggles a bit from my favorite portable location right next to the sea, where there's often a large amount of very strong signals. >> >> Because of this, recent review comparisons of the KX2 with the KX3 tempted me to buy a KX3 mostly for the extra receive performance. Unfortunately, when I tried the KX3 from my favorite portable location next to the sea yesterday, I had a problem with breakthrough of an AM broadcast station on 20m, the only way I could completely eliminate the problem was by turning on RX SHIFT, which unfortunately disables the roofing filter (a big reason for buying the KX3) and dual watch. >> >> I understand from comments I have read that this issue is an inherent weakness of the direct conversion architecture, however - my KX2 never suffers from this problem. >> >> So before surrendering to the possibility that I've spent $$$ on a larger KX2 with disabled dual watch ;) I thought I'd explore alternatives to using the RX SHIFT feature. >> >> Since I've never had this problem with my KX2, and since that radio does not have the RX SHIFT feature, I'm assuming that for some hardware reason, the problem of AM broadcast breakthrough is not expected on the KX2. >> >> Does anyone know what the difference between the two is? I suspect that the KX2 has a more severe high pass filter, in which case a 3Mhz high pass filter in the KX3 aerial lead might help sort out everything above top band. >> >> Has anyone tried that? >> >> Has anyone found any other solutions? >> >> Phil G4PWO >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 09:12:26 2017 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:12:26 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer Message-ID: Hello I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and PHONES on my old laptop Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE 3.5 mm connector Any problem with that? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and all will be working correctly? Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC and PHONE? thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 12 09:34:30 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:34:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jorge, With an adapter, it makes little difference. But consider an external USB soundcard for your digital modes. They can be purchased inexpensively, and as long as you set the internal soundcard to be default, you do not have to worry about transmitting the sounds produced by the operating system. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2017 9:12 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello > > I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and > PHONES on my old laptop > > Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE > 3.5 mm connector > > Any problem with that? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 > and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and > all will be working correctly? > > Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC > and PHONE? > > thanks > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > Libre > de virus. www.avast.com > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From mikefurrey at att.net Sat Aug 12 09:52:00 2017 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jorge,The "Y"connector will not work, There is a very specific connector with three rings and a tip needed for that single new style jack on the laptops because that jack incorporates both a mono input for the mic and a stereo output for the headphones. A very specific connector I found that works is the Sennheiser, part no. PCV 05, called Combo Audio Adapter with a produce code of 504518. That part has worked well for me. I found that part at a Fry's Electronics in Austin, TX. An alternative is buy a cheap gaming headset that utilizes that single jack and splice in the mono plug for the mic and the stereo plug for the headphone to go to the K3. I hope this helps. 73, Mike WA5POK On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:14 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and PHONES on my old laptop Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE 3.5 mm connector Any problem with that?? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and all will be working correctly? Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC and PHONE? thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net From n3kcb at usa.net Sat Aug 12 10:00:03 2017 From: n3kcb at usa.net (Anthony Clare) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Some K2 notes after completion Message-ID: <767VHLN8D3088S08.1502546403@web08.cms.usa.net> Hello all. I just wanted to pass along a few tidbits after the completion of my K2 (2 months ago). First, I want to thank Don for his patience during my low BFO level issue. In the end, none of the normal fixes alone seemed to work. However, that problem was solved by changing a capacitor value in combination with the usual fixes. I did learn how critical the installation of the BFO toroid was for proper level and frequency range. Unfortunately, in my case, it was not quite enough in itself. All good now, though. I thought I did a good enough job installing C70. I did not. Sure enough, during some field day testing, I had the horrible distortion on signals around 7185 kHz. I shortened up the one lead on C70 just a little more. Problem solved! Do not leave ANY extra length on those leads! I am curious how others have dealt with the new tuning knob. It is a nice knob, but will not reach the felt pad on the front panel. I suppose you could stack a few pads, but you would need to fill at least a 3/16" gap. On my knob, I attached a thick brass disc that fits within the indentation on the back of the knob and is drilled out in the center the clear the shaft nut on the encoder. This fills the space behind the knob. Since the disc is smaller in diameter, it does not interfere with the display bezel. I was going the drill and tap the back of the knob and use countersunk screws on the disc to hold it. However, I super glued the disc to the knob to perform a temporary test and it did not want to come back off for drilling. I guess I do not need the screws after all. Overall, I have been enjoying this rig and have been very pleased with the performance and the amount of functions built into the programming. I was a little worried about spending a lot of money for such a basic radio, but it bothers me less every time I use it. Have a good day, Anthony n3kcb From mikefurrey at att.net Sat Aug 12 10:29:17 2017 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, that is the one I have. There are probably less expensive ones I could have ordered but I needed it "NOW" and bought it off the shelf. It works well for me with a new laptop and Windows 10 (Ugh). Mike On Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:07 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello Mike thanks very much for the informations Is this one? ?https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-PCV-05-Combo-Adapter/dp/B00IM36VU0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502546701&sr=8-2&keywords=sennheiser+pcv+05+combo+audio+adapter 73,Jorge | | Libre de virus. www.avast.com | 2017-08-12 10:52 GMT-03:00 Mike Furrey : Hi Jorge,The "Y"connector will not work, There is a very specific connector with three rings and a tip needed for that single new style jack on the laptops because that jack incorporates both a mono input for the mic and a stereo output for the headphones. A very specific connector I found that works is the Sennheiser, part no. PCV 05, called Combo Audio Adapter with a produce code of 504518. That part has worked well for me. I found that part at a Fry's Electronics in Austin, TX. An alternative is buy a cheap gaming headset that utilizes that single jack and splice in the mono plug for the mic and the stereo plug for the headphone to go to the K3. I hope this helps. 73, Mike WA5POK On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:14 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and PHONES on my old laptop Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE 3.5 mm connector Any problem with that?? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and all will be working correctly? Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC and PHONE? thanks Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8- 4E2AA1F9FDF2> ______________________________ ______________________________ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/ mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth. net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 10:43:02 2017 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:43:02 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thanks Mike and Don for the help! Will be good to have this adapter also 73, Jorge 2017-08-12 11:29 GMT-03:00 Mike Furrey : > Yes, that is the one I have. There are probably less expensive ones I > could have ordered but I needed it "NOW" and bought it off the shelf. It > works well for me with a new laptop and Windows 10 (Ugh). > > Mike > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:07 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < > cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello Mike > > thanks very much for the informations > > Is this one? https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-PCV-05-Combo- > Adapter/dp/B00IM36VU0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502546701&sr= > 8-2&keywords=sennheiser+pcv+05+combo+audio+adapter > > 73, > Jorge > > > Libre > de virus. www.avast.com > > > > 2017-08-12 10:52 GMT-03:00 Mike Furrey : > > Hi Jorge, > The "Y"connector will not work, There is a very specific connector with > three rings and a tip needed for that single new style jack on the laptops > because that jack incorporates both a mono input for the mic and a stereo > output for the headphones. A very specific connector I found that works is > the Sennheiser, part no. PCV 05, called Combo Audio Adapter with a produce > code of 504518. That part has worked well for me. I found that part at a > Fry's Electronics in Austin, TX. An alternative is buy a cheap gaming > headset that utilizes that single jack and splice in the mono plug for the > mic and the stereo plug for the headphone to go to the K3. > > I hope this helps. > > 73, Mike WA5POK > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:14 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < > cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello > > I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and > PHONES on my old laptop > > Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE > 3.5 mm connector > > Any problem with that? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 > and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and > all will be working correctly? > > Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC > and PHONE? > > thanks > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail > > > > Libre > de virus. www.avast.com > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8- 4E2AA1F9FDF2> > ______________________________ ______________________________ __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/ mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth. net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net > > > > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From peter.wollan at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 10:47:15 2017 From: peter.wollan at gmail.com (Peter Wollan) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:47:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I read the Q&A about this -- it turns out there are several different standards which look the same externally. This one is OMTP; for a Mac, you need CTIA. They differ in the mic and ground connection. There is also TRRS. I don't know what that one is. So don't just buy one of these adapters without checking what your socket is. Peter W0LLN On Saturday, August 12, 2017, Mike Furrey wrote: > Yes, that is the one I have. There are probably less expensive ones I > could have ordered but I needed it "NOW" and bought it off the shelf. It > works well for me with a new laptop and Windows 10 (Ugh). > Mike > > On Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:07 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < > cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > wrote: > > > Hello Mike > thanks very much for the informations > Is this one? https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-PCV-05-Combo- > Adapter/dp/B00IM36VU0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502546701&sr= > 8-2&keywords=sennheiser+pcv+05+combo+audio+adapter > 73,Jorge > > | | Libre de virus. www.avast.com | > > > 2017-08-12 10:52 GMT-03:00 Mike Furrey > >: > > Hi Jorge,The "Y"connector will not work, There is a very specific > connector with three rings and a tip needed for that single new style jack > on the laptops because that jack incorporates both a mono input for the mic > and a stereo output for the headphones. A very specific connector I found > that works is the Sennheiser, part no. PCV 05, called Combo Audio Adapter > with a produce code of 504518. That part has worked well for me. I found > that part at a Fry's Electronics in Austin, TX. An alternative is buy a > cheap gaming headset that utilizes that single jack and splice in the mono > plug for the mic and the stereo plug for the headphone to go to the K3. > I hope this helps. > 73, Mike WA5POK > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:14 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < > cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > wrote: > > > Hello > > I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and > PHONES on my old laptop > > Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE > 3.5 mm connector > > Any problem with that? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 > and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and > all will be working correctly? > > Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC > and PHONE? > > thanks > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> > Libre > de virus. www.avast.com > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8- 4E2AA1F9FDF2> > ______________________________ ______________________________ __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/ mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth . net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net > > > > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to peter.wollan at gmail.com From dmbarrick at iowatelecom.net Sat Aug 12 11:43:28 2017 From: dmbarrick at iowatelecom.net (Dennis Barrick) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:43:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor Message-ID: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> Friends, I have been enjoying the Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor for some time. Yesterday it would not open from the icon on the taskbar or from the program file. I am not able to download it from the Elecraft website either. It goes through the motions, but will not download. Is this the result of an automatic Microsoft update a couple days ago, or possibly the Win4K3Suite update I did yesterday? Is there a setting someplace in Windows 10 that I need to change back? Maybe a security setting? Your thoughts will be appreciated. Denny W8AKQ From neilz at techie.com Sat Aug 12 12:06:00 2017 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:06:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> FWIW ... I do a lot of JT65/JT9/FT8 digital, and I would definitely suggest getting an external USB soundcard for such work. 1. It eliminates the probably of transmitting any OS sounds/beeps/alarms along with your digital audio. 2. Provides good isolation capabilities 3. While I'm assuming most built-in laptop soundcards can provide the 48kHz DVD quality playback/recording you need for programs like WSJT-X, you definitely will have that in many of the external soundcards. I use a Sound Blaster SBX proaudio soundcard I got a Amazon for around $60-65. I've used it with my IC-715, and KX3 without any issues. Neil, KN3ILZ On 8/12/2017 10:47 AM, Peter Wollan wrote: > I read the Q&A about this -- it turns out there are several different > standards which look the same externally. This one is OMTP; for a Mac, you > need CTIA. They differ in the mic and ground connection. There is also > TRRS. I don't know what that one is. > > So don't just buy one of these adapters without checking what your socket > is. > > Peter W0LLN > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2017, Mike Furrey wrote: > >> Yes, that is the one I have. There are probably less expensive ones I >> could have ordered but I needed it "NOW" and bought it off the shelf. It >> works well for me with a new laptop and Windows 10 (Ugh). >> Mike >> >> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:07 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> Hello Mike >> thanks very much for the informations >> Is this one? https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-PCV-05-Combo- >> Adapter/dp/B00IM36VU0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502546701&sr= >> 8-2&keywords=sennheiser+pcv+05+combo+audio+adapter >> 73,Jorge >> >> | | Libre de virus. www.avast.com | >> >> >> 2017-08-12 10:52 GMT-03:00 Mike Furrey >>> : >> Hi Jorge,The "Y"connector will not work, There is a very specific >> connector with three rings and a tip needed for that single new style jack >> on the laptops because that jack incorporates both a mono input for the mic >> and a stereo output for the headphones. A very specific connector I found >> that works is the Sennheiser, part no. PCV 05, called Combo Audio Adapter >> with a produce code of 504518. That part has worked well for me. I found >> that part at a Fry's Electronics in Austin, TX. An alternative is buy a >> cheap gaming headset that utilizes that single jack and splice in the mono >> plug for the mic and the stereo plug for the headphone to go to the K3. >> I hope this helps. >> 73, Mike WA5POK >> >> >> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:14 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> Hello >> >> I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and >> PHONES on my old laptop >> >> Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE >> 3.5 mm connector >> >> Any problem with that? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 >> and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and >> all will be working correctly? >> >> Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC >> and PHONE? >> >> thanks >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> >> Libre >> de virus. www.avast.com >> > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8- 4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> ______________________________ ______________________________ __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/ mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth . net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 73, >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to peter.wollan at gmail.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 12:08:24 2017 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:08:24 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter to point that Mine in not a Mac, so this one that is OMTP will work, I hope :-) thanks! Jorge Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> 2017-08-12 11:47 GMT-03:00 Peter Wollan : > I read the Q&A about this -- it turns out there are several different > standards which look the same externally. This one is OMTP; for a Mac, you > need CTIA. They differ in the mic and ground connection. There is also > TRRS. I don't know what that one is. > > So don't just buy one of these adapters without checking what your socket > is. > > Peter W0LLN > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2017, Mike Furrey wrote: > >> Yes, that is the one I have. There are probably less expensive ones I >> could have ordered but I needed it "NOW" and bought it off the shelf. It >> works well for me with a new laptop and Windows 10 (Ugh). >> Mike >> >> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:07 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Mike >> thanks very much for the informations >> Is this one? https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-PCV-05-Combo-Adapter/dp/ >> B00IM36VU0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502546701&sr=8-2& >> keywords=sennheiser+pcv+05+combo+audio+adapter >> 73,Jorge >> >> >> | | Libre de virus. www.avast.com | >> >> >> 2017-08-12 10:52 GMT-03:00 Mike Furrey : >> >> Hi Jorge,The "Y"connector will not work, There is a very specific >> connector with three rings and a tip needed for that single new style jack >> on the laptops because that jack incorporates both a mono input for the mic >> and a stereo output for the headphones. A very specific connector I found >> that works is the Sennheiser, part no. PCV 05, called Combo Audio Adapter >> with a produce code of 504518. That part has worked well for me. I found >> that part at a Fry's Electronics in Austin, TX. An alternative is buy a >> cheap gaming headset that utilizes that single jack and splice in the mono >> plug for the mic and the stereo plug for the headphone to go to the K3. >> >> I hope this helps. >> 73, Mike WA5POK >> >> >> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:14 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hello >> >> I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and >> PHONES on my old laptop >> >> Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE >> 3.5 mm connector >> >> Any problem with that? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in >> K3 >> and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop >> and >> all will be working correctly? >> >> Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC >> and PHONE? >> >> thanks >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> >> Libre >> de virus. www.avast.com >> > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8- 4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> ______________________________ ______________________________ __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/ mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth. net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 73, >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to peter.wollan at gmail.com > > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From bkasten at octavian.net Sat Aug 12 12:35:47 2017 From: bkasten at octavian.net (Robert Kasten) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:35:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Some K2 notes after completion Message-ID: Anthony - I have been working through a K2 (with literally every option available) project since January and am down to only one remaining option. Apart from the incorrectly supplied 12m bandpass trimmer caps issue mentioned a while back, I also had the 7185 waof issue you did. I ended up removing RFC15 and C88. Of course in both cases, Don immediately had an answer. Don and his generosity with his expertise is literally one of the best reasons to build/own a K2! When my KX3 main oscillator (Y1) failed, and I was forced to send it to Elecraft. I came to the realization that the K2 is really the only modern radio I am interested in (for what I do). I BUILT IT AND I CAN FIX IT and to me that is everything... Bob / W9KKB From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Aug 12 12:50:44 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:50:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: TRRS is the four-contact plug, named for tip/ring/ring/sleeve. OMTP and CTIA are ways to wire that plug for audio. Thanks for the info, I didn?t know about the wiring differences. This page does a good job of explaining them. http://www.cablechick.com.au/blog/understanding-trrs-and-audio-jacks/ This article gives more specifics about which manufacturers use which. https://www.provideocoalition.com/ts-trs-trrs-trrrs-combating-the-misconnection-epidemic/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Peter Wollan wrote: > > I read the Q&A about this -- it turns out there are several different > standards which look the same externally. This one is OMTP; for a Mac, you > need CTIA. They differ in the mic and ground connection. There is also > TRRS. I don't know what that one is. > > So don't just buy one of these adapters without checking what your socket > is. > > Peter W0LLN > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2017, Mike Furrey wrote: > >> Yes, that is the one I have. There are probably less expensive ones I >> could have ordered but I needed it "NOW" and bought it off the shelf. It >> works well for me with a new laptop and Windows 10 (Ugh). >> Mike >> >> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 9:07 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> Hello Mike >> thanks very much for the informations >> Is this one? https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-PCV-05-Combo- >> Adapter/dp/B00IM36VU0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502546701&sr= >> 8-2&keywords=sennheiser+pcv+05+combo+audio+adapter >> 73,Jorge >> >> | | Libre de virus. www.avast.com | >> >> >> 2017-08-12 10:52 GMT-03:00 Mike Furrey >>> : >> >> Hi Jorge,The "Y"connector will not work, There is a very specific >> connector with three rings and a tip needed for that single new style jack >> on the laptops because that jack incorporates both a mono input for the mic >> and a stereo output for the headphones. A very specific connector I found >> that works is the Sennheiser, part no. PCV 05, called Combo Audio Adapter >> with a produce code of 504518. That part has worked well for me. I found >> that part at a Fry's Electronics in Austin, TX. An alternative is buy a >> cheap gaming headset that utilizes that single jack and splice in the mono >> plug for the mic and the stereo plug for the headphone to go to the K3. >> I hope this helps. >> 73, Mike WA5POK >> >> >> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:14 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> Hello >> >> I do digital modes with two cables from K3?s LINE IN and OUT to MIC and >> PHONES on my old laptop >> >> Looking for a new Laptop, I notice they combine MIC and PHONE in ONLY ONE >> 3.5 mm connector >> >> Any problem with that? Just need a Y cable to connect LIN IN and OUT in K3 >> and on the other side a 3.5 mm audio connector to connect in the laptop and >> all will be working correctly? >> >> Or is better to stay with a laptop with two separates connectors for MIC >> and PHONE? >> >> thanks >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> >> Libre >> de virus. www.avast.com >> > source=link&utm_campaign=sig- email&utm_content=webmail> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8- 4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> ______________________________ ______________________________ __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/ mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq. htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth . net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 73, >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to peter.wollan at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Aug 12 13:16:03 2017 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> Message-ID: Was it still working after the Win 10 update? If so, best bet to look at as the problem source would be the more recent update of Win4K3Suite. -- Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do without. - John Dolan From jim at n7us.net Sat Aug 12 14:03:11 2017 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:03:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> Message-ID: <00ba01d31395$43bbeac0$cb33c040$@n7us.net> It's still working fine for me with the latest Windows 10 update. I closed DXLab's Commander before opening Frequency Memory Editor. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Friends, I have been enjoying the Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor for some time. Yesterday it would not open from the icon on the taskbar or from the program file. I am not able to download it from the Elecraft website either. It goes through the motions, but will not download. Is this the result of an automatic Microsoft update a couple days ago, or possibly the Win4K3Suite update I did yesterday? Is there a setting someplace in Windows 10 that I need to change back? Maybe a security setting? Your thoughts will be appreciated. Denny W8AKQ From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Aug 12 14:05:58 2017 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> Message-ID: Hi, The Win4K3Suite software has nothing to do with the frequency memory editor. The editor is used to assign and edit frequency memories in the radio and assign labels which are sent to the radio and if requested,saved to a file. This file is then used by Win4K3 if the Frequency memory window is opened to load the labels. I just tested the latest Elecraft memory editor. It downloaded fine and works fine. This is the case with Win4K3 open or not. I would suggest doing an uninstall of the Elecraft Frequency memory editor using the control panel, then downloading the file again. If you cannot download the file then there is something fundamentally wrong in your Windows install. But it has nothing to do with the latest Win4K3 release. 73 Tom -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 1:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor Was it still working after the Win 10 update? If so, best bet to look at as the problem source would be the more recent update of Win4K3Suite. -- Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do without. - John Dolan ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 12 14:57:00 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> Message-ID: <3ef4f2c8-b100-05d0-6e1c-61f7608703ca@embarqmail.com> Is this another instance of the "Norton" problem? Which does not allow a program that it has little experience with. If you are running Norton, disable it and try again. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2017 11:43 AM, Dennis Barrick wrote: > > I have been enjoying the Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor for some time. > > Yesterday it would not open from the icon on the taskbar or from the program > file. > > I am not able to download it from the Elecraft website either. It goes > through the motions, but will not download. > > Is this the result of an automatic Microsoft update a couple days ago, or > possibly the Win4K3Suite update I did yesterday? > > Is there a setting someplace in Windows 10 that I need to change back? > Maybe a security setting? From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Sat Aug 12 15:03:23 2017 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:03:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: <3ef4f2c8-b100-05d0-6e1c-61f7608703ca@embarqmail.com> References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> <3ef4f2c8-b100-05d0-6e1c-61f7608703ca@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <313E390D82C740D1930AC5E290DF66D4@G4GNXLaptop> If you are running Norton, delete it and bury it! Device of the devil. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor Is this another instance of the "Norton" problem? Which does not allow a program that it has little experience with. If you are running Norton, disable it and try again. 73, Don W3FPR From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 12 15:12:42 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:12:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon Message-ID: Hi all, You may have heard that the popular N1MM program now has a ?contester?s spectral display? window. Very soon, we anticipate a new release of N1MM that provides support for this feature when used with the K3, K3S, and KX3. (The Win4k3 software package was just modified to provide the spectral data that N1MM needs. Thanks to Tom, VA2FSQ, for fast-tracking this addition.) I?ve already seen the demo, which is quite impressive. When the release is finalized, we?ll do another announcement with full details. 73, Wayne N6KR From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 15:13:43 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:13:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: <313E390D82C740D1930AC5E290DF66D4@G4GNXLaptop> References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> <3ef4f2c8-b100-05d0-6e1c-61f7608703ca@embarqmail.com> <313E390D82C740D1930AC5E290DF66D4@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: FWIW ... I have had Norton on four computers for many years ... never had a problem. 73 K0PP On Aug 12, 2017 1:03 PM, "G4GNX" wrote: > If you are running Norton, delete it and bury it! Device of the devil. > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, August 12, > 2017 7:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] > Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor > Is this another instance of the "Norton" problem? Which does not allow a > program that it has little experience with. > If you are running Norton, disable it and try again. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 15:20:36 2017 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:20:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> <3ef4f2c8-b100-05d0-6e1c-61f7608703ca@embarqmail.com> <313E390D82C740D1930AC5E290DF66D4@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Norton can be overaggressive, but if you take a few minutes to learn how to best use it, it's been fine. They've also lowered the CPU cycles it takes, but with a modern CPU, it's hardly a noticeable performance lag (ALL AV software requires a hit). Hint: Check the quarantine folder, then 'trust' the program in question. Since the editor is starting (no error message that it doesn't exist), the problem lies elsewhere. Make sure you don't have more than one copy running (task manager). Rick NHC On 8/12/2017 12:13 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > FWIW ... > > I have had Norton on four computers for many years ... never had a problem. > > > 73 > > K0PP > > On Aug 12, 2017 1:03 PM, "G4GNX" wrote: > >> If you are running Norton, delete it and bury it! Device of the devil. >> >> 73, >> >> Alan. G4GNX >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, August 12, >> 2017 7:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] >> Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor >> Is this another instance of the "Norton" problem? Which does not allow a >> program that it has little experience with. >> If you are running Norton, disable it and try again. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From g0orh at sky.com Sat Aug 12 15:30:47 2017 From: g0orh at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:30:47 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441F9E45-88ED-4B1F-B8A5-3A6527618F23@sky.com> FAB Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 12 Aug 2017, at 20:12, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > You may have heard that the popular N1MM program now has a ?contester?s spectral display? window. Very soon, we anticipate a new release of N1MM that provides support for this feature when used with the K3, K3S, and KX3. (The Win4k3 software package was just modified to provide the spectral data that N1MM needs. Thanks to Tom, VA2FSQ, for fast-tracking this addition.) > > I?ve already seen the demo, which is quite impressive. When the release is finalized, we?ll do another announcement with full details. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From w2ljqrp at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 15:35:16 2017 From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 15:35:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2017 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt is NEXT Sunday Message-ID: The 2017 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt is next Sunday - August 20th! Make sure to join in the fun with a pair of wings! Get a Skeeter number by sending an e-mail to w2lj at arrl.net The Skeeter Hunt is open to ALL Amateur Radio Operators.The rules and all the details can be found at http://www.qsl.net/w2lj 73 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager - Skeeter # 13 From aldermant at windstream.net Sat Aug 12 15:38:47 2017 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 15:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01d313a2$9deab230$d9c01690$@windstream.net> GREAT NEWS!!!!!!! Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:13 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: KX3 at yahoogroups.com; elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon Hi all, You may have heard that the popular N1MM program now has a ?contester?s spectral display? window. Very soon, we anticipate a new release of N1MM that provides support for this feature when used with the K3, K3S, and KX3. (The Win4k3 software package was just modified to provide the spectral data that N1MM needs. Thanks to Tom, VA2FSQ, for fast-tracking this addition.) I?ve already seen the demo, which is quite impressive. When the release is finalized, we?ll do another announcement with full details. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From dmbarrick at iowatelecom.net Sat Aug 12 16:00:44 2017 From: dmbarrick at iowatelecom.net (Dennis Barrick) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 15:00:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net> <3ef4f2c8-b100-05d0-6e1c-61f7608703ca@embarqmail.com> <313E390D82C740D1930AC5E290DF66D4@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: <000001d313a5$af1a62f0$0d4f28d0$@iowatelecom.net> Thanks to you all for your thoughts. You've given me ideas as to where to look for a solution. I in no way meant to impugn the quality or functioning of Win4K3. Sorry if it came across that way. I rely on and use Win4K3 every day and have never had a problem. I assumed that the problem was probably "operator error" in downloading or saving it. I highly recommend Win4K3Suite! Denny W8AKQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:21 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor Norton can be overaggressive, but if you take a few minutes to learn how to best use it, it's been fine. They've also lowered the CPU cycles it takes, but with a modern CPU, it's hardly a noticeable performance lag (ALL AV software requires a hit). Hint: Check the quarantine folder, then 'trust' the program in question. Since the editor is starting (no error message that it doesn't exist), the problem lies elsewhere. Make sure you don't have more than one copy running (task manager). Rick NHC On 8/12/2017 12:13 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > FWIW ... > > I have had Norton on four computers for many years ... never had a problem. > > > 73 > > K0PP > > On Aug 12, 2017 1:03 PM, "G4GNX" wrote: > >> If you are running Norton, delete it and bury it! Device of the devil. >> >> 73, >> >> Alan. G4GNX >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, August >> 12, >> 2017 7:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] >> Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor Is this another instance of the >> "Norton" problem? Which does not allow a program that it has little >> experience with. >> If you are running Norton, disable it and try again. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wa6nhc at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dmbarrick at iowatelecom.net From mike at ki8r.com Sat Aug 12 16:32:55 2017 From: mike at ki8r.com (Mike Murphy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 16:32:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And there was much rejoicing -------------------------------------- Michael Murphy -KI8R mike at ki8r.com twitter.com/ki8r www.ki8r.com 614-371-8265 -------------------------------------- > On Aug 12, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > > Hi all, > > You may have heard that the popular N1MM program now has a ?contester?s spectral display? window. Very soon, we anticipate a new release of N1MM that provides support for this feature when used with the K3, K3S, and KX3. (The Win4k3 software package was just modified to provide the spectral data that N1MM needs. Thanks to Tom, VA2FSQ, for fast-tracking this addition.) > > I?ve already seen the demo, which is quite impressive. When the release is finalized, we?ll do another announcement with full details. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) > > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 3 > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From josh at voodoolab.com Sat Aug 12 17:23:30 2017 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:23:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> Message-ID: <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> Completely agree re ext USB audio. No specific endorsement of this model, just an example that there are many high quality (I'd call this "prosumer") USB interfaces for remarkably low prices. Mackie is a well respected pro audio company & this interface on sale $69. Might have to get or make patch cables as it's 1/4" phone. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?source=3TP5DNB&mscr=2084068_38175 Considering the availability of pro quality for comparable prices, I'd opt for something like this or from other similar companies like Tascam, etc (see K9YC's list) over a consumer Sound Blaster. 73, Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Neil Zampella wrote: > > FWIW ... I do a lot of JT65/JT9/FT8 digital, and I would definitely suggest getting an external USB soundcard for such work. > > 1. It eliminates the probably of transmitting any OS sounds/beeps/alarms along with your digital audio. > 2. Provides good isolation capabilities > 3. While I'm assuming most built-in laptop soundcards can provide the 48kHz DVD quality playback/recording you need for programs like WSJT-X, you definitely will have that in many of the external soundcards. I use a Sound Blaster SBX proaudio soundcard I got a Amazon for around $60-65. I've used it with my IC-715, and KX3 without any issues. > > Neil, KN3ILZ >> From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 17:45:56 2017 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 15:45:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is great news. I knew Tom was working something out Wayne, but it's nice to see the confirmation here. It's been nice to see Win4K3Suite progress on the feature set. This will be icing on the cake with the new N1MM+ spectrum display along with all the other features of Win4K3Suite. K3/s settings software control / CAT sharing etc... Max NG7M On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > You may have heard that the popular N1MM program now has a ?contester?s > spectral display? window. Very soon, we anticipate a new release of N1MM > that provides support for this feature when used with the K3, K3S, and KX3. > (The Win4k3 software package was just modified to provide the spectral data > that N1MM needs. Thanks to Tom, VA2FSQ, for fast-tracking this addition.) > > I?ve already seen the demo, which is quite impressive. When the release is > finalized, we?ll do another announcement with full details. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.matthew.george at gmail.com -- M. George From jamullic at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 18:56:54 2017 From: jamullic at yahoo.com (K5BIU) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 15:56:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] VFO A and B moving together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1502578614386-7633302.post@n2.nabble.com> I also have ran into this problem, were VFO A and VFO B are linked and VFO A is the master. I hold SUB down, but this only displays NO SUB. Can someone please help!! Thank You Jeremy Mullican K5BIU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-VFO-A-and-B-moving-together-tp5024732p7633302.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 12 19:00:23 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 16:00:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Frequency Stability of radio Message-ID: <1b9153ec-f72a-a000-93c0-08eb1e396d21@nk7z.net> Hi, I use a program called SBSpectrum to graph very subtle changes in Doppler of the Ionosphere, while using WWV as a standard. The changes are on the order of only a few Hz at most. I have noted the K3 makes frequency corrections every few minutes in discrete steps. These steps are too large for what I want. If I add an external frequency standard, like a GPSDO, will the K3 still display these steps in frequency correction, or will the K3 simply lock to the external signal source and not move in frequency? I asked this once before about a year ago, and got an answer, but I have forgotten that answer... Sorry for the repeat question. -- 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Aug 12 19:29:47 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 16:29:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K8RA P4 Key to K3S? Message-ID: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm signed up for CW Academy Sept-Oct and picked up a used K8RA P4 Key http://www.k8ra.com/product-p/p-4.htm It has three thumbscrew wire connectors on top at the back. How do I connect that to my K3S? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K8RA-P4-Key-to-K3S-tp7633304.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 12 19:34:21 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 19:34:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] VFO A and B moving together In-Reply-To: <1502578614386-7633302.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502578614386-7633302.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: What firmware version? Try CONFIG:VFO LNK = OFF 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/12/2017 6:56 PM, K5BIU via Elecraft wrote: > I also have ran into this problem, were VFO A and VFO B are linked and VFO A > is the master. I hold SUB down, but this only displays NO SUB. Can someone > please help!! > > Thank You > > Jeremy Mullican > K5BIU > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-VFO-A-and-B-moving-together-tp5024732p7633302.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 19:37:36 2017 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 19:37:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K8RA P4 Key to K3S? In-Reply-To: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Center is common (shell). Dot is the left (looking from the rear of the key. Dash is right. It isn?t critical ? if you get it wrong you can reverse these in the menus. Which is which will depend on whether you?re left or right handed (usually). > On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:29 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > > I'm signed up for CW Academy Sept-Oct and picked up a used K8RA P4 Key > http://www.k8ra.com/product-p/p-4.htm It has three thumbscrew wire > connectors on top at the back. How do I connect that to my K3S? > > Bret/N4SRN Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 12 19:37:46 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 16:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: Hi Josh, Yes, this is a super deal. Mackie is a good audio company. I've used and specified their products for years. I've been out of the biz for long enough that I didn't know about this one. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/12/2017 2:23 PM, Josh wrote: > Completely agree re ext USB audio. > > No specific endorsement of this model, just an example that there are many high quality (I'd call this "prosumer") USB interfaces for remarkably low prices. Mackie is a well respected pro audio company & this interface on sale $69. Might have to get or make patch cables as it's 1/4" phone. > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?source=3TP5DNB&mscr=2084068_38175 > > Considering the availability of pro quality for comparable prices, I'd opt for something like this or from other similar companies like Tascam, etc (see K9YC's list) over a consumer Sound Blaster. > > 73, > Josh W6XU > > Sent from my mobile device > >> On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Neil Zampella wrote: >> >> FWIW ... I do a lot of JT65/JT9/FT8 digital, and I would definitely suggest getting an external USB soundcard for such work. >> >> 1. It eliminates the probably of transmitting any OS sounds/beeps/alarms along with your digital audio. >> 2. Provides good isolation capabilities >> 3. While I'm assuming most built-in laptop soundcards can provide the 48kHz DVD quality playback/recording you need for programs like WSJT-X, you definitely will have that in many of the external soundcards. I use a Sound Blaster SBX proaudio soundcard I got a Amazon for around $60-65. I've used it with my IC-715, and KX3 without any issues. >> >> Neil, KN3ILZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From w2up at comcast.net Sat Aug 12 19:55:03 2017 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 16:55:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Poor band conditions In-Reply-To: References: <1074215331.16894146.1502479286050.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Message-ID: <1502582103139-7633308.post@n2.nabble.com> In case you haven't noticed, the sun died. It's even going to go dark across the US in about 9 days :-) Seriously though, I use N0HR's Propfire Firefox add-on. On the bar at the bottom of the browser, I see current SFI, A and K at all times. Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-Poor-band-conditions-tp7633246p7633308.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 20:13:50 2017 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 21:13:50 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: Hi Josh and Jim this is a recording interface?, so may it be used for example for WRTC recording and for referee listening to both radios as required in the rules? 73, Jorge Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> 2017-08-12 20:37 GMT-03:00 Jim Brown : > Hi Josh, > > Yes, this is a super deal. Mackie is a good audio company. I've used and > specified their products for years. I've been out of the biz for long > enough that I didn't know about this one. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/12/2017 2:23 PM, Josh wrote: > >> Completely agree re ext USB audio. >> >> No specific endorsement of this model, just an example that there are >> many high quality (I'd call this "prosumer") USB interfaces for remarkably >> low prices. Mackie is a well respected pro audio company & this interface >> on sale $69. Might have to get or make patch cables as it's 1/4" phone. >> >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?source=3TP5DNB&mscr=2084068_38175 >> >> Considering the availability of pro quality for comparable prices, I'd >> opt for something like this or from other similar companies like Tascam, >> etc (see K9YC's list) over a consumer Sound Blaster. >> >> 73, >> Josh W6XU >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Neil Zampella wrote: >>> >>> FWIW ... I do a lot of JT65/JT9/FT8 digital, and I would definitely >>> suggest getting an external USB soundcard for such work. >>> >>> 1. It eliminates the probably of transmitting any OS >>> sounds/beeps/alarms along with your digital audio. >>> 2. Provides good isolation capabilities >>> 3. While I'm assuming most built-in laptop soundcards can provide the >>> 48kHz DVD quality playback/recording you need for programs like WSJT-X, you >>> definitely will have that in many of the external soundcards. I use a >>> Sound Blaster SBX proaudio soundcard I got a Amazon for around $60-65. >>> I've used it with my IC-715, and KX3 without any issues. >>> >>> Neil, KN3ILZ >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From jamullic at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 20:16:43 2017 From: jamullic at yahoo.com (K5BIU) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:16:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] VFO A and B moving together In-Reply-To: References: <1502578614386-7633302.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1502583403086-7633310.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, that fixed it. The reason I didn't venture into the CONFIG menus is because I haven't been in there. I HAVE no idea how this got changed, but thank you for your help. Jeremy Mullican K5BIU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-VFO-A-and-B-moving-together-tp5024732p7633310.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 20:26:29 2017 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:26:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Frequency Stability of radio In-Reply-To: <1b9153ec-f72a-a000-93c0-08eb1e396d21@nk7z.net> References: <1b9153ec-f72a-a000-93c0-08eb1e396d21@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Here is a link to the K3EXREF, it will explain how it works.... the REFCAL will adjust dynamically based on the reference input... what you tune to will stand on frequency as far as the frequency displayed, just the reference frequency will adjust on the fly. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3%20EXREF%20Installation%20and%20Operation%20Manual.pdf mg NG7M On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I use a program called SBSpectrum to graph very subtle changes in Doppler > of the Ionosphere, while using WWV as a standard. The changes are on the > order of only a few Hz at most. > > I have noted the K3 makes frequency corrections every few minutes in > discrete steps. These steps are too large for what I want. > > If I add an external frequency standard, like a GPSDO, will the K3 still > display these steps in frequency correction, or will the K3 simply lock to > the external signal source and not move in frequency? > > I asked this once before about a year ago, and got an answer, but I have > forgotten that answer... Sorry for the repeat question. > > -- > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.matthew.george at gmail.com > -- M. George From dick at elecraft.com Sat Aug 12 20:30:55 2017 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K8RA P4 Key to K3S? In-Reply-To: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000601d313cb$6df26f90$49d74eb0$@elecraft.com> Hi, Bret! I've sometimes found a cable with a stereo plug already formed onto one end (a "stereo patch cable") and cut the other end off and wire the three connectors to the paddle. There are some more involved commercial offerings that have three spade or ring lugs, such as Vibroplex's CP3, Bencher's EZ-1, or the MFJ-5166. You can make these up from the piece parts, too. DX Engineering and Ham Radio Outlet advertise all of these, Gigaparts advertises a couple of them. The shield goes to the common connector of the paddle, which is typically the center of the three connectors. The other two wires, which correspond to tip and ring of the 1/4" plug, can be connected to either of the other two posts on the paddle. Whether you want the left paddle to be dots or dashes is a matter of preference, but most right-handed people I know use the left paddle (the one you touch with a thumb) to send dots and the right paddle send dashes. I've seen left-handed operators operate a paddle in either configuration, some can do both... If you wire it wrong initially, you can swap the tip & ring with a K3 menu, or more easily, swap the two wires at the paddle. The 1/4" plug goes into the K3 back panel socket labeled "Paddle", on the bottom row. Have fun in the CW Academy! Your K8RA P4 looks like a very attractive paddle. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of MaverickNH Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 16:30 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K8RA P4 Key to K3S? I'm signed up for CW Academy Sept-Oct and picked up a used K8RA P4 Key http://www.k8ra.com/product-p/p-4.htm It has three thumbscrew wire connectors on top at the back. How do I connect that to my K3S? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K8RA-P4-Key-to-K3S-tp7633304.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Aug 12 20:33:57 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:33:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K8RA P4 Key to K3S? In-Reply-To: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <65cd1cb9-6bb7-8ad2-4b2f-df7736bd3b3b@foothill.net> It can depend on whether you're right or left-handed Bret, although it doesn't always.Right-handers almost always want dots on the thumband dashes on the fingers [it's called the "Tyranny of the Majority"]. Some left-handers like to reverse that, many do not, I am one, left-handed bugs were way outside my price range years ago. I have a second paddle set up on the left of the keyboard, also "right handed" which I tend to use the most. The good news: You can change the sense of your paddle in the K3s menuso: Connect the frame of the key to the sleeve of the plug. Connect one of the others to the ring of the connector, and the third to the tip connection. Plug it into paddle jack and go into TX TEST. Try it out. If you're right-handed you probably want the dots on the thumb. If they're not, hold MENU to get into CONFIG, use VFO B knob to get to CW PADL, and use VFO A to change it. Both ways with a K-line, no extra charge. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/12/2017 4:29 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I'm signed up for CW Academy Sept-Oct and picked up a used K8RA P4 Key > http://www.k8ra.com/product-p/p-4.htm It has three thumbscrew wire > connectors on top at the back. How do I connect that to my K3S? > > Bret/N4SRN > From KY5G at montac.com Sat Aug 12 20:55:05 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 19:55:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: That is PRECISELY the unit I am using with my custom condenser mic.... Absolutely LOVE it... Best value in prosumer audio bar none, IMHO. Think I paid $99 regular price... $69 is a steal... great value at full price. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/12/2017 6:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Hi Josh, > > Yes, this is a super deal. Mackie is a good audio company. I've used > and specified their products for years. I've been out of the biz for > long enough that I didn't know about this one. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/12/2017 2:23 PM, Josh wrote: >> Completely agree re ext USB audio. >> >> No specific endorsement of this model, just an example that there are >> many high quality (I'd call this "prosumer") USB interfaces for >> remarkably low prices. Mackie is a well respected pro audio company & >> this interface on sale $69. Might have to get or make patch cables as >> it's 1/4" phone. >> >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?source=3TP5DNB&mscr=2084068_38175 >> >> Considering the availability of pro quality for comparable prices, >> I'd opt for something like this or from other similar companies like >> Tascam, etc (see K9YC's list) over a consumer Sound Blaster. >> >> 73, >> Josh W6XU >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Neil Zampella wrote: >>> >>> FWIW ... I do a lot of JT65/JT9/FT8 digital, and I would definitely >>> suggest getting an external USB soundcard for such work. >>> >>> 1. It eliminates the probably of transmitting any OS >>> sounds/beeps/alarms along with your digital audio. >>> 2. Provides good isolation capabilities >>> 3. While I'm assuming most built-in laptop soundcards can provide >>> the 48kHz DVD quality playback/recording you need for programs like >>> WSJT-X, you definitely will have that in many of the external >>> soundcards. I use a Sound Blaster SBX proaudio soundcard I got a >>> Amazon for around $60-65. I've used it with my IC-715, and KX3 >>> without any issues. >>> >>> Neil, KN3ILZ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ky5g at montac.com From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 12 21:08:34 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:08:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Frequency Stability of radio In-Reply-To: <1b9153ec-f72a-a000-93c0-08eb1e396d21@nk7z.net> References: <1b9153ec-f72a-a000-93c0-08eb1e396d21@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <444370c8-bce0-f19c-0726-c7700d7f45e8@nk7z.net> I'll respond to my post to keep things short... Thank you to both posters for the info. You answered my questions. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/12/2017 04:00 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I use a program called SBSpectrum to graph very subtle changes in > Doppler of the Ionosphere, while using WWV as a standard. The changes > are on the order of only a few Hz at most. > > I have noted the K3 makes frequency corrections every few minutes in > discrete steps. These steps are too large for what I want. > > If I add an external frequency standard, like a GPSDO, will the K3 still > display these steps in frequency correction, or will the K3 simply lock > to the external signal source and not move in frequency? > > I asked this once before about a year ago, and got an answer, but I have > forgotten that answer... Sorry for the repeat question. > From lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com Sat Aug 12 21:24:45 2017 From: lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com (Luis V. Romero) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 21:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM Message-ID: <000901d313d2$f317f5d0$d947e170$@tampabay.rr.com> Thank You Wayne! I have set up this on three Icoms now (1 - 7851 and two 7300'ds) and I believe it will be a very welcome addition to my quiver of arrows here at W4LT If you need a Beta tester, please count me in. As always, thank you for listening and being responsive to your customer's needs and requests. Lu Romero - W4LT Tampa, FL ---------------------------+---------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:12:42 -0700 From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" , elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, You may have heard that the popular N1MM program now has a ?contester?s spectral display? window. Very soon, we anticipate a new release of N1MM that provides support for this feature when used with the K3, K3S, and KX3. (The Win4k3 software package was just modified to provide the spectral data that N1MM needs. Thanks to Tom, VA2FSQ, for fast-tracking this addition.) I?ve already seen the demo, which is quite impressive. When the release is finalized, we?ll do another announcement with full details. 73, Wayne N6KR From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 21:28:28 2017 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:28:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: Note that Mackie claims driver support for this product only through Win 7 (Win 8 is specifically not supported which may imply Win 10 isn't, either), and MacOS through 10.10 (Yosemite) -- later MacOS releases are specifically not supported. Which doesn't mean it won't work, but this is from the Mackie website a few minutes ago. Anyone here tested this interface on these later OSes? Be good to confirm before I click on the order button before the sale ends in a few hours... I already have a good USB sound interface that won't work on later-than-XP OSes (not sure about Mac). 73, Lyle KK7P On 8/12/17 4:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Hi Josh, > > Yes, this is a super deal. Mackie is a good audio company. I've used > and specified their products for years. I've been out of the biz for > long enough that I didn't know about this one. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/12/2017 2:23 PM, Josh wrote: >> Completely agree re ext USB audio. >> >> No specific endorsement of this model, just an example that there are >> many high quality (I'd call this "prosumer") USB interfaces for >> remarkably low prices. Mackie is a well respected pro audio company & >> this interface on sale $69. Might have to get or make patch cables as >> it's 1/4" phone. >> >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?source=3TP5DNB&mscr=2084068_38175 >> >> Considering the availability of pro quality for comparable prices, >> I'd opt for something like this or from other similar companies like >> Tascam, etc (see K9YC's list) over a consumer Sound Blaster. >> >> 73, >> Josh W6XU >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Neil Zampella wrote: >>> >>> FWIW ... I do a lot of JT65/JT9/FT8 digital, and I would definitely >>> suggest getting an external USB soundcard for such work. >>> >>> 1. It eliminates the probably of transmitting any OS >>> sounds/beeps/alarms along with your digital audio. >>> 2. Provides good isolation capabilities >>> 3. While I'm assuming most built-in laptop soundcards can provide >>> the 48kHz DVD quality playback/recording you need for programs like >>> WSJT-X, you definitely will have that in many of the external >>> soundcards. I use a Sound Blaster SBX proaudio soundcard I got a >>> Amazon for around $60-65. I've used it with my IC-715, and KX3 >>> without any issues. >>> >>> Neil, KN3ILZ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com From krug261 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 22:31:19 2017 From: krug261 at yahoo.com (krug261 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 02:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <859491201.662362.1502591479210@mail.yahoo.com> Mike, I had to smile when I read your message. Our situations are so similar. About a month ago, I came back to radio after a 15 year break. As then, I live in an apartment?in downtown Manhattan, four blocks north of the World Trade Center. (The antenna from 1 World Trade looms clearly above.) For about 20 years I operated with an end-fed random?wire - cut to no electrical length - that ran up seven stories?to the roof of the building. (Gotta' love antenna tuners!) EVERY apartment antenna is a compromise, but it worked.?Made my fair share of contacts, with the obvious limitations. Then a month ago I dragged the trusty TS-830 out of the basement locker, set up a new antenna - now an open loop going around the outside of four windows. I was stunned at the noise level and dearth of signals. At first I thought the 830 had gone from years of lack of use. Several tests indicated it was working OK. Since I operated out of this apartment for two decades, I knew it could be done. I'd been pining over the KX3 for several months and, undaunted by the conditions, bought the kit and got it together with few hiccups. (Thanks Craig for getting back to me in all of 15 minutes with the answer to a question.) Even with the dramatically better receiver, still heavy noise and little activity. As you, I have yet to make a contact on the KX3. With a make-shift wire/counterpoise antenna, I've taken it to one open area; same thing. Oh, and on CW. I'll keep trying other locations. Deep urban operating requires: realistic expectations, ingenuity, and patience. I think the next few years are going to test those qualities big time. But I have faith! Bob, KA2TQVKX3 #9842 Original message: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:33:41 -07009842 From: Mike Parkes To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.netwith? Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback if anyone cares to chime in. I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is s7-9 mostly. I? took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help with that.) Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is the base loaded vertical a joke? I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local AM stations. :) Mike AB7RU (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 12 23:07:53 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:07:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <859491201.662362.1502591479210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <859491201.662362.1502591479210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/12/2017 7:31 PM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: > I came back to radio after a 15 year break. The thing that's changed is the proliferation of noise generators. The RF environment has become so bad that broadcasters have raised the issue with the FCC, and the FCC is studying it in a serious way. In a tutorial/applications note about finding and killing it, I made an educated guess that the average residence has at least two dozen, and probably three dozen, HF noise sources. http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From KY5G at montac.com Sat Aug 12 23:13:40 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:13:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <859491201.662362.1502591479210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yup! And tech geeks like me can have 75 switch mode power supplies in a 1000 ft sq house.... SMPS are the devil's work and must be destroyed! ;) I've done away with about 1/3 of them so far... Eventually, I hope to eliminate ALL of them from the entire property. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G On 8/12/2017 10:07 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/12/2017 7:31 PM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: >> I came back to radio after a 15 year break. > > The thing that's changed is the proliferation of noise generators. The > RF environment has become so bad that broadcasters have raised the > issue with the FCC, and the FCC is studying it in a serious way. > > In a tutorial/applications note about finding and killing it, I made > an educated guess that the average residence has at least two dozen, > and probably three dozen, HF noise sources. > > http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 12 23:19:50 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: Good catch, Lyle! 73, Jim K9YC On 8/12/2017 6:28 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > Note that Mackie claims driver support for this product only through > Win 7 (Win 8 is specifically not supported which may imply Win 10 > isn't, either), and MacOS through 10.10 (Yosemite) -- later MacOS > releases are specifically not supported. > > Which doesn't mean it won't work, but this is from the Mackie website > a few minutes ago. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 12 23:25:21 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:25:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <859491201.662362.1502591479210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0903958d-f16c-9f26-1be6-8276a0edbf48@blomand.net> Not exactly correct. I have 2 which do not, as I measure and listen, create any noise. On the other hand, I purchased a "deal" for a 13V / 30 amp supply. It measures.......well it will never be in or around my house as it generated lots of noise from 1 MHz to over 100 MHz. I was suspicious when I couldn't find a Part 15 label on the box. But after all, new shipped to me was less than $20. Guess one gets what they pay for in terms of quality. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/12/2017 10:13 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Yup! And tech geeks like me can have 75 switch mode power supplies in a > 1000 ft sq house.... > > SMPS are the devil's work and must be destroyed! ;) > > I've done away with about 1/3 of them so far... Eventually, I hope to > eliminate ALL of them from the entire property. > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > > On 8/12/2017 10:07 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On 8/12/2017 7:31 PM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: >>> I came back to radio after a 15 year break. >> The thing that's changed is the proliferation of noise generators. The >> RF environment has become so bad that broadcasters have raised the >> issue with the FCC, and the FCC is studying it in a serious way. >> >> In a tutorial/applications note about finding and killing it, I made >> an educated guess that the average residence has at least two dozen, >> and probably three dozen, HF noise sources. >> >> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From ron at cobi.biz Sat Aug 12 23:47:44 2017 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:47:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <859491201.662362.1502591479210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301d313e6$ec488da0$c4d9a8e0$@biz> And we used to think plasma panel TV's were bad! Aaaaargh! 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? On 8/12/2017 7:31 PM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: > I came back to radio after a 15 year break. The thing that's changed is the proliferation of noise generators. The RF environment has become so bad that broadcasters have raised the issue with the FCC, and the FCC is studying it in a serious way. In a tutorial/applications note about finding and killing it, I made an educated guess that the average residence has at least two dozen, and probably three dozen, HF noise sources. http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From jrgraves at knology.net Sat Aug 12 23:59:49 2017 From: jrgraves at knology.net (Jim Graves) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor In-Reply-To: References: <000501d31381$be798420$3b6c8c60$@iowatelecom.net><3ef4f2c8-b100-05d0-6e1c-61f7608703ca@embarqmail.com><313E390D82C740D1930AC5E290DF66D4@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: I agree completely with Ken. I too have used Norton for many years on 4 computers and have never had a problem. Would not be without it! Jim G. W4JRG -----Original Message----- From: Ken G Kopp Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:13 PM To: G4GNX ; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor FWIW ... I have had Norton on four computers for many years ... never had a problem. 73 K0PP On Aug 12, 2017 1:03 PM, "G4GNX" wrote: > If you are running Norton, delete it and bury it! Device of the devil. > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, August 12, > 2017 7:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] > Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor > Is this another instance of the "Norton" problem? Which does not allow a > program that it has little experience with. > If you are running Norton, disable it and try again. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From K2TK at ptd.net Sun Aug 13 00:03:29 2017 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 00:03:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <0903958d-f16c-9f26-1be6-8276a0edbf48@blomand.net> References: <859491201.662362.1502591479210@mail.yahoo.com> <0903958d-f16c-9f26-1be6-8276a0edbf48@blomand.net> Message-ID: "Guess one gets what they pay for in terms of quality." I'd say "not always". There are some major manufacturers that sell into the Ham market that are pretty poor. The P3 was a real eyeopener watching the low level spikes and mounds of wideband noise drifting across the screen. I made some improvements but as far as I was concerned not worth the effort. Ultimate solution is to invest in more iron and take the weight and space penalties. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/12/2017 11:25 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Not exactly correct. I have 2 which do not, as I measure and listen, create > any noise. On the other hand, I purchased a "deal" for a 13V / 30 amp > supply. It measures.......well it will never be in or around my house as it > generated lots of noise from 1 MHz to over 100 MHz. I was suspicious when I > couldn't find a Part 15 label on the box. But after all, new shipped to me was > less than $20. > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/12/2017 10:13 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Yup! And tech geeks like me can have 75 switch mode power supplies in a >> 1000 ft sq house.... >> >> SMPS are the devil's work and must be destroyed! ;) >> >> I've done away with about 1/3 of them so far... Eventually, I hope to >> eliminate ALL of them from the entire property. >> >> 73, >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> >> On 8/12/2017 10:07 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> On 8/12/2017 7:31 PM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: >>>> I came back to radio after a 15 year break. >>> The thing that's changed is the proliferation of noise generators. The >>> RF environment has become so bad that broadcasters have raised the >>> issue with the FCC, and the FCC is studying it in a serious way. >>> >>> In a tutorial/applications note about finding and killing it, I made >>> an educated guess that the average residence has at least two dozen, >>> and probably three dozen, HF noise sources. >>> >>> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC From josh at voodoolab.com Sun Aug 13 00:49:12 2017 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 21:49:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <5185E76D-F4E8-4620-ACF8-E39A57A79E2A@voodoolab.com> Specs say Audio 1.0 so I wonder if it works with the generic USB driver? MF has a 30 day no questions return policy. So, you could send it back if it's not supported. 73, Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Aug 12, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > Note that Mackie claims driver support for this product only through Win 7 (Win 8 is specifically not supported which may imply Win 10 isn't, either), and MacOS through 10.10 (Yosemite) -- later MacOS releases are specifically not supported. > > Which doesn't mean it won't work, but this is from the Mackie website a few minutes ago. > > Anyone here tested this interface on these later OSes? Be good to confirm before I click on the order button before the sale ends in a few hours... I already have a good USB sound interface that won't work on later-than-XP OSes (not sure about Mac). > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > > >> On 8/12/17 4:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Hi Josh, >> >> Yes, this is a super deal. Mackie is a good audio company. I've used and specified their products for years. I've been out of the biz for long enough that I didn't know about this one. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >>> On 8/12/2017 2:23 PM, Josh wrote: >>> Completely agree re ext USB audio. >>> >>> No specific endorsement of this model, just an example that there are many high quality (I'd call this "prosumer") USB interfaces for remarkably low prices. Mackie is a well respected pro audio company & this interface on sale $69. Might have to get or make patch cables as it's 1/4" phone. >>> >>> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?source=3TP5DNB&mscr=2084068_38175 >>> >>> Considering the availability of pro quality for comparable prices, I'd opt for something like this or from other similar companies like Tascam, etc (see K9YC's list) over a consumer Sound Blaster. >>> >>> 73, >>> Josh W6XU >>> >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> >>>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Neil Zampella wrote: >>>> >>>> FWIW ... I do a lot of JT65/JT9/FT8 digital, and I would definitely suggest getting an external USB soundcard for such work. >>>> >>>> 1. It eliminates the probably of transmitting any OS sounds/beeps/alarms along with your digital audio. >>>> 2. Provides good isolation capabilities >>>> 3. While I'm assuming most built-in laptop soundcards can provide the 48kHz DVD quality playback/recording you need for programs like WSJT-X, you definitely will have that in many of the external soundcards. I use a Sound Blaster SBX proaudio soundcard I got a Amazon for around $60-65. I've used it with my IC-715, and KX3 without any issues. >>>> >>>> Neil, KN3ILZ >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to josh at voodoolab.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 13 00:50:24 2017 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 21:50:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Good Evening, It has been another very smokey week but there is rain in the forecast. After two weeks of heat (quite out of character for Oregon) I was getting used to working in it. The first week I spent at ground level to acclimate but I was on the ladder just yesterday. The wood surely appreciates the new stain; you could almost hear it sigh. The solar wind has been resupplying the ionosphere but reports are of unkind to poor conditions. Nevertheless, it always pays to try the odd CQ to see if 6 or 10 or 80 is open. You may not be able to sustain a sked but there is most probably somebody somewhere who can hear you. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From wb6rse1 at mac.com Sun Aug 13 01:12:55 2017 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: <5185E76D-F4E8-4620-ACF8-E39A57A79E2A@voodoolab.com> References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> <5185E76D-F4E8-4620-ACF8-E39A57A79E2A@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: I've used a Griffin iMic "sound card" for years on Macs, iMacs and Mac laptops. iMic | The original USB audio adapter by Griffin Technology No drivers necessary. Stereo L/R channels for dual RX audio decoding. It works with the Mac digi mode program cocoaModem. I recently started using WSJTX and the iMic just worked. Inexpensive. True plug and play. Any problems have been S/W settings, not the I/O. Griffin advertises PC compatibility but I've no experience with an iMic and a PC but I wouldn't hesitate to try it. GL - Steve WB6RSE From johnn1jm at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 01:19:21 2017 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:19:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1502601561780-7633328.post@n2.nabble.com> Does this mean I would have to purchase Win4k3? 73, John N1JM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Contester-s-Spectral-Display-feature-of-N1MM-software-will-be-supported-soon-tp7633292p7633328.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rich at wc3t.us Sun Aug 13 08:31:38 2017 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:31:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by using a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told about these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great successes. I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun isn't recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it on my WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. Why does this work? :) Thanks. On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood wrote: > You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com < > http://bandconditions.com/> > > Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if > that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. > > Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly > to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 > feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 > foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the > ATU tune it and see you can hear. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: > > > > The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. > > > > 73! > > > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > >> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some > feedback > >> if anyone cares to chime in. > >> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I > am > >> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > >> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > >> > >> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). > Love > >> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear > much of > >> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to > >> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines > for > >> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > >> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > >> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and > one > >> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could > help > >> with that.) > >> > >> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > >> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or > is > >> the base loaded vertical a joke? > >> > >> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try > and > >> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > >> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some > local > >> AM stations. :) > >> > >> Mike AB7RU > >> > >> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to > get > >> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like > >> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a > match > >> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... > but > >> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), Rich Hurd / WC3T DMR ID: 3142737 Northampton County RACES EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sun Aug 13 08:42:09 2017 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:42:09 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Frequency Stability of radio In-Reply-To: <444370c8-bce0-f19c-0726-c7700d7f45e8@nk7z.net> References: <1b9153ec-f72a-a000-93c0-08eb1e396d21@nk7z.net> <444370c8-bce0-f19c-0726-c7700d7f45e8@nk7z.net> Message-ID: A pity an overview of the answers wasn't shared. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 12/08/2017 22:08, Dave Cole wrote: > I'll respond to my post to keep things short... Thank you to both > posters for the info. You answered my questions. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 08/12/2017 04:00 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I use a program called SBSpectrum to graph very subtle changes in >> Doppler of the Ionosphere, while using WWV as a standard. The changes >> are on the order of only a few Hz at most. >> >> I have noted the K3 makes frequency corrections every few minutes in >> discrete steps. These steps are too large for what I want. >> >> If I add an external frequency standard, like a GPSDO, will the K3 >> still display these steps in frequency correction, or will the K3 >> simply lock to the external signal source and not move in frequency? >> >> I asked this once before about a year ago, and got an answer, but I >> have forgotten that answer... Sorry for the repeat question. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 13 08:43:54 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 07:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: Forget about "what you've been told". Do your own research using various publications such as ARRL Antenna Book or other like publications. Personally in the "I've been told" area, it seems hams have more incomplete and inaccurate information than correct and complete information. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2017, at 7:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): > > I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. > > I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by using > a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. > > I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told about > these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and > the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments > with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great > successes. > > I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my > current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun isn't > recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it on my > WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. Why does > this work? :) > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood > wrote: > >> You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com < >> http://bandconditions.com/> >> >> Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if >> that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. >> >> Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly >> to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 >> feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 >> foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the >> ATU tune it and see you can hear. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: >>> >>> The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. >>> >>> 73! >>> >>> Tom - KB2SMS >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: >>>> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some >> feedback >>>> if anyone cares to chime in. >>>> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I >> am >>>> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the >>>> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). >>>> >>>> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). >> Love >>>> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear >> much of >>>> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to >>>> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines >> for >>>> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is >>>> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >>>> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and >> one >>>> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could >> help >>>> with that.) >>>> >>>> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just >>>> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or >> is >>>> the base loaded vertical a joke? >>>> >>>> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try >> and >>>> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. >>>> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some >> local >>>> AM stations. :) >>>> >>>> Mike AB7RU >>>> >>>> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to >> get >>>> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like >>>> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a >> match >>>> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... >> but >>>> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >> > -- > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > Rich Hurd / WC3T > DMR ID: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: > *FN20is* > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From ve3iay at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 08:45:25 2017 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 08:45:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon Message-ID: No, you don't have to purchase Win4k3, but with a K3 or KX2 you will need some additional hardware. I have been using the N1MM+ spectrum display for several weeks with my K3. The software interface I use is N2IC's Waterfall Bandmap program (< https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/waterfallbandmap/info>). You do need external hardware with a K3 or K3S, regardless of which software you use. I have used Waterfall Bandmap and the N1MM+ spectrum display with three different hardware configurations: an SDR (SDRPlay RSP1 or RSP2) fed from the K3's RX ant in/out connections; the same SDR fed from the K3's IF Out; and an LP-PAN plus dedicated sound card, fed from the K3's IF Out. All of these require the KXV3 to be installed in the K3 (it's already built in to the K3S). My understanding is that Win4k3 supports the same configurations and adds the P3/P3SVGA to the list of hardware it supports. Waterfall Bandmap does not support the P3/P3SVGA. Win4k3 also supports the KX3 without external hardware other than a sound card, and the KX2 or KX3 with an SDRPlay plus an external transmit/receive switch. I believe Waterfall Bandmap should support these two configurations as well, but I don't know whether either of them has been tested. Win4k3 also has many other features, and it may well be worth the purchase price to you for those features alone - but it is not mandatory in order to use the spectrum display in N1MM+. 73, Rich VE3KI N1JM wrote: Does this mean I would have to purchase Win4k3? 73, John N1JM From rich at wc3t.us Sun Aug 13 09:18:09 2017 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:18:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: Good point; thanks. On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 08:43 Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Forget about "what you've been told". Do your own research using various > publications such as ARRL Antenna Book or other like publications. > Personally in the "I've been told" area, it seems hams have more > incomplete and inaccurate information than correct and complete information. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 13, 2017, at 7:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > > > Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): > > > > I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. > > > > I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by > using > > a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. > > > > I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told > about > > these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and > > the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments > > with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with > great > > successes. > > > > I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my > > current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun > isn't > > recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it on > my > > WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. Why > does > > this work? :) > > > > Thanks. > > > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood > > wrote: > > > >> You can get a quick look at band conditions at > http://bandconditions.com < > >> http://bandconditions.com/> > >> > >> Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised > if > >> that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. > >> > >> Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly > >> to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to > 29 > >> feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 > >> foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let > the > >> ATU tune it and see you can hear. > >> > >> wunder > >> K6WRU > >> Walter Underwood > >> CM87wj > >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> > >>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: > >>> > >>> The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and > listening. > >>> > >>> 73! > >>> > >>> Tom - KB2SMS > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > >>>> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some > >> feedback > >>>> if anyone cares to chime in. > >>>> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so > I > >> am > >>>> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > >>>> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > >>>> > >>>> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). > >> Love > >>>> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear > >> much of > >>>> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating > to > >>>> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines > >> for > >>>> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but > is > >>>> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > >>>> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and > >> one > >>>> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could > >> help > >>>> with that.) > >>>> > >>>> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > >>>> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? > Or > >> is > >>>> the base loaded vertical a joke? > >>>> > >>>> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try > >> and > >>>> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > >>>> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some > >> local > >>>> AM stations. :) > >>>> > >>>> Mike AB7RU > >>>> > >>>> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to > >> get > >>>> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something > like > >>>> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a > >> match > >>>> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not > much... > >> but > >>>> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>> > >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > >> > > -- > > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > > Rich Hurd / WC3T > > DMR ID: 3142737 > > Northampton County RACES > > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) > Grid: > > *FN20is* > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > > -- 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), Rich Hurd / WC3T DMR ID: 3142737 Northampton County RACES EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 13 09:34:44 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 06:34:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K8RA P4 Key to K3S? In-Reply-To: <65cd1cb9-6bb7-8ad2-4b2f-df7736bd3b3b@foothill.net> References: <1502580587576-7633304.post@n2.nabble.com> <65cd1cb9-6bb7-8ad2-4b2f-df7736bd3b3b@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1502631284726-7633334.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for the advice all! Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K8RA-P4-Key-to-K3S-tp7633304p7633334.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From fred at fmeco.com Sun Aug 13 10:37:37 2017 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:37:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <52ca7f39-3889-c23b-f382-cb9855e35429@fmeco.com> There has been a happening in the last 15 or so years. It seems that every antenna is "the best we have ever had" this statement is directly proportional to the number of people who study theory to those who just read others comments on the internet. Or as some say, the SWR is 1:1 so its a great antenna. BTW I love my dummy load for EXACTLY that reason. I can clearly say that I have had enough different antenna's over the last 35 years that I know what is a good antenna and one that is not.. plus I even understand most of the theory. Today a new ham dumps 125-150 bucks in to a 5 dollar pre-manufactured wire antenna, and says, this is the best antenna around even if he has never used any other antenna. See how good it works I even have an S9 noise floor, no other antenna is this sensitive, when all the wile he is running 30db of preamp he does not need. Simply amazes me.. that some think they even have enough education or experience to even have a meaning full opinion.. but away they go on eham or qrz about how good something is. Lucky most on Elecraft don't all into this category. We do have many good radio related sites out there, examples are those who show current band conditions, low power reporting sites to check your own propagation etc.. those we should learn to use as they are meaningful but don't assume the to be 100% all of the time, I remember many years ago when I was elmering a new ham, he built a 15 meter beam, when he decided after one week that the 40/15 dipole I built for him was just not working, I loaned him a HW16, he complained for weeks that the something was wrong, I went over one Saturday to see what actually was wrong, a spin across the band showed no signals, one CQ with 50 watts and from Ohio I was the pileup of European stations, I worked about 5 contacts, looked at him, and said, "So what is wrong", he says.. "what knob did you turn when I wasn't looking" did you ever call CQ "no says he" "I think you need to actually use the radio before you decide something is wrong" says I. If the band propagation sites say the band is dead, and your radio is not hearing anything, most likely it is not your radio or your antenna. If you are hearing S9 noise and unhook the antenna and it goes away, I will make you a bet that your radio is not broken.. And yes all of the switching supplies didn't exist 20 years ago, so we need to do things we didn't have to do before with toroids and other things that we didn't do before, there is even some noise sources we can't fix as others are legally generating it. Me thinks the days of a usable -127db noise floor are few and far between, thanks mostly to what our government is allowing to happen... FWIW/WYP.. regards.. Fred Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com wd8kni at gmail.com phone: 321-217-8699 On 8/13/17 8:43 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Forget about "what you've been told". Do your own research using various publications such as ARRL Antenna Book or other like publications. Personally in the "I've been told" area, it seems hams have more incomplete and inaccurate information than correct and complete information. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 13, 2017, at 7:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >> >> Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): >> >> I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. >> >> I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by using >> a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. >> >> I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told about >> these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and >> the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments >> with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great >> successes. >> >> I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my >> current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun isn't >> recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it on my >> WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. Why does >> this work? :) >> >> Thanks. >> >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood >> wrote: >> >>> You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com < >>> http://bandconditions.com/> >>> >>> Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if >>> that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. >>> >>> Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly >>> to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 >>> feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 >>> foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the >>> ATU tune it and see you can hear. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: >>>> >>>> The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. >>>> >>>> 73! >>>> >>>> Tom - KB2SMS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: >>>>> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some >>> feedback >>>>> if anyone cares to chime in. >>>>> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I >>> am >>>>> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the >>>>> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). >>>>> >>>>> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). >>> Love >>>>> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear >>> much of >>>>> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to >>>>> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines >>> for >>>>> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is >>>>> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >>>>> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and >>> one >>>>> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could >>> help >>>>> with that.) >>>>> >>>>> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just >>>>> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or >>> is >>>>> the base loaded vertical a joke? >>>>> >>>>> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try >>> and >>>>> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. >>>>> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some >>> local >>>>> AM stations. :) >>>>> >>>>> Mike AB7RU >>>>> >>>>> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to >>> get >>>>> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like >>>>> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a >>> match >>>>> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... >>> but >>>>> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >>> >> -- >> 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), >> Rich Hurd / WC3T >> DMR ID: 3142737 >> Northampton County RACES >> EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting >> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: >> *FN20is* >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com From n2icarrl at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 11:11:23 2017 From: n2icarrl at gmail.com (Steve London) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:11:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon Message-ID: <59906C1B.5030008@arrl.net> If you are looking for a simpler, no-cost option for using the N1MM+ spectrum display with a K3 or K3S, Waterfall Bandmap provides that capability, using LP-PAN, SDRPlay, or other SDR receivers that support an ExtIO DLL. Waterfall Bandmap provides a standalone waterfall display, as well as forwarding spectrum information to N1MM+ for display by the N1MM+ spectrum display. See: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/waterfallbandmap/info http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Spectrum+Display+Window&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation 73, Steve, N2IC From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Aug 13 12:09:56 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:09:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: In July, five SOTA operators put up seven different antennas on a summit and compared their performance with WSPR. Six of the antennas were mostly within 3 dB of each other. The EARCHI antenna (end-fed with transformer) was between 6 and 15 dB worse than the others. So in one experiment, the 9:1 transformer did not help. http://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/seven-sota-antennas-compared-using-wspr-on-a-summit/15635 When the antenna is connected directly to the KX3, there is no transmission line, so there is no need to match the antenna to the transmission line. It is putting the ATU at the feed point of the antenna. The 26-29 foot length is chosen to avoid very high or very low impedances in the ham bands down to 40 m Especially, it is not a 1/2 wave on any band. That makes it easier to match. If you want to work 80 m, use a 53 foot wire. The 16 foot wire on the ground is a radial ?system?. One radial is a lot better than none, but you could use more. The length isn?t especially important because it is capacitively coupled to the ground. Ground resistance swamps any resonance. I first heard about this antenna on this list. It was recommended by Wayne, N6KR. It is documented on page 9 of the instructions for the KXAT1 antenna tuner, ?...for backpacking use on 40/30/20 meters, a wire length of 24-28 feet will generally provide good results. [?] Ground system: Use a at least one ground radial, cut to at least 1/8th wavelength on the lowest band used (16' on 40 meters). When possible, use two or more radials, with one cut to 1/4 wavelength on each band." http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf There is similar advice on page 10 of the KX2 manual. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner%27s%20man.pdf Finally, stop trying to think about ?balanced? and ?unbalanced? because those words are used in bizarre, inconsistent ways. Voltage, whether DC or RF, is always between two terminals. With a center-fed dipole, the two terminals are the elements. With this setup, the two terminals are the wire in the air and the wire on the ground. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 13, 2017, at 5:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): > > I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. > > I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by using a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. > > I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told about these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great successes. > > I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun isn't recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it on my WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. Why does this work? :) > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood > wrote: > You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com > > > Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. > > Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the ATU tune it and see you can hear. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy > wrote: > > > > The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. > > > > 73! > > > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > >> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback > >> if anyone cares to chime in. > >> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I am > >> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > >> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > >> > >> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love > >> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much of > >> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to > >> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines for > >> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > >> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > >> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one > >> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could help > >> with that.) > >> > >> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > >> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or is > >> the base loaded vertical a joke? > >> > >> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and > >> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > >> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some local > >> AM stations. :) > >> > >> Mike AB7RU > >> > >> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to get > >> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like > >> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match > >> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... but > >> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > Rich Hurd / WC3T > DMR ID: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: FN20is > From nn7uct at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 12:11:16 2017 From: nn7uct at yahoo.com (Chuck Teague) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:11:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 setup Message-ID: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> Greetings to the group. I have been trying to recall how to set up the P3 so that the K3 frequency is aligned on the left side of the display. That is very handy for working dx where the dx signal is on the left side of the display and the pileup is spread out to the right. I've searched the archives and the manual but can't find the answer, although I'm pretty sure it appeared o this forum some time back. Can anyone set me straight, please? Thanks, Chuck Teague NN7U ----- Chuck Teague NN7U -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-setup-tp7633337.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From marty at cmn.net Sun Aug 13 12:24:47 2017 From: marty at cmn.net (Marty Rosenzweig) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:24:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility SW Message-ID: <744556CC-D4AA-47AB-84D2-08ABA8CE6980@cmn.net> I am able to save and restore configuration files using the latest utility sw except that the second config file I saved restores (or doesn't change) only the first file. Appears to be restoring correctly, i.e., copies and resets the kx3 but doesn't change the configuration. Any ideas? Running XP and there is a third config file which I may have created years ago or it's a default file for 20m which does work correctly. Marty W0EET From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Aug 13 12:35:11 2017 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:35:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <52ca7f39-3889-c23b-f382-cb9855e35429@fmeco.com> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <52ca7f39-3889-c23b-f382-cb9855e35429@fmeco.com> Message-ID: Fred, I think you've hit on the real major issues. I always state an antennas performance can not be measured by SWR alone, and that there is no one perfect antenna. I suggest that these are just a few areas that a ham really need to worry/think about; can he make his radio accept the load, is his line loss at least close to rational, does he want to work local stations meaning out to a few hundred miles, or does he want to go for a 5BDXCC. All of the rest of it are just a good discussion topics, taken one at a time. For my part, I run two antennas on my urban lot, a center fed 80 meter inverted L and a vertical 20 meter center fed dipole. I use the L for 80-30 meters and the vertical dipole for all else. I haven't a clue what the SWR is, but my built in tuner deals with it nicely. All on my feed line are ladder line connected via a Balun Designs current balun. I'm serious about finishing my 5BDXCC, and all I need is to finish up on 80. What I'm saying is I have found it does not take an elaborate antenna farm to really reach out and touch someone. My recommendations are to use a ground independent antenna if you can and feed it with the lowest loss line that makes sense for your situation. All the rest is seat in the chair time and listen or call CQ. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Fred Moore" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 8/13/2017 10:37:37 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? >There has been a happening in the last 15 or so years. It seems that >every antenna is "the best we have ever had" this statement is >directly >proportional to the number of people who study theory to those who just >read others comments on the internet. Or as some say, the SWR is 1:1 so >its a great antenna. BTW I love my dummy load for EXACTLY that reason. > >I can clearly say that I have had enough different antenna's over the >last 35 years that I know what is a good antenna and one that is not.. >plus I even understand most of the theory. Today a new ham dumps >125-150 bucks in to a 5 dollar pre-manufactured wire antenna, and says, >this is the best antenna around even if he has never used any other >antenna. See how good it works I even have an S9 noise floor, no other >antenna is this sensitive, when all the wile he is running 30db of >preamp he does not need. > >Simply amazes me.. that some think they even have enough education or >experience to even have a meaning full opinion.. but away they go on >eham or qrz about how good something is. Lucky most on Elecraft don't >all into this category. > >We do have many good radio related sites out there, examples are those >who show current band conditions, low power reporting sites to check >your own propagation etc.. those we should learn to use as they are >meaningful but don't assume the to be 100% all of the time, > >I remember many years ago when I was elmering a new ham, he built a 15 >meter beam, when he decided after one week that the 40/15 dipole I >built >for him was just not working, I loaned him a HW16, he complained for >weeks that the something was wrong, I went over one Saturday to see >what >actually was wrong, a spin across the band showed no signals, one CQ >with 50 watts and from Ohio I was the pileup of European stations, I >worked about 5 contacts, looked at him, and said, "So what is wrong", >he says.. "what knob did you turn when I wasn't looking" did you ever >call CQ "no says he" "I think you need to actually use the radio >before >you decide something is wrong" says I. > >If the band propagation sites say the band is dead, and your radio is >not hearing anything, most likely it is not your radio or your antenna. >If you are hearing S9 noise and unhook the antenna and it goes away, I >will make you a bet that your radio is not broken.. > >And yes all of the switching supplies didn't exist 20 years ago, so we >need to do things we didn't have to do before with toroids and other >things that we didn't do before, there is even some noise sources we >can't fix as others are legally generating it. Me thinks the days of a >usable -127db noise floor are few and far between, thanks mostly to >what >our government is allowing to happen... > >FWIW/WYP.. regards.. Fred > >Fred Moore >email: fred at fmeco.com >wd8kni at gmail.com >phone: 321-217-8699 > >On 8/13/17 8:43 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>Forget about "what you've been told". Do your own research using >>various publications such as ARRL Antenna Book or other like >>publications. Personally in the "I've been told" area, it seems hams >>have more incomplete and inaccurate information than correct and >>complete information. >> >>Bob, K4TAX >> >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>>On Aug 13, 2017, at 7:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >>> >>>Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): >>> >>>I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. >>> >>>I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by >>>using >>>a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. >>> >>>I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told >>>about >>>these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced >>>and >>>the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen >>>deployments >>>with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with >>>great >>>successes. >>> >>>I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working >>>for my >>>current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun >>>isn't >>>recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it >>>on my >>>WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. >>>Why does >>>this work? :) >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood >>> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>You can get a quick look at band conditions at >>>>http://bandconditions.com < >>>>http://bandconditions.com/> >>>> >>>>Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be >>>>surprised if >>>>that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. >>>> >>>>Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected >>>>directly >>>>to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 >>>>to 29 >>>>feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get >>>>a 16 >>>>foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. >>>>Let the >>>>ATU tune it and see you can hear. >>>> >>>>wunder >>>>K6WRU >>>>Walter Underwood >>>>CM87wj >>>>http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>>> >>>>>On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and >>>>>listening. >>>>> >>>>>73! >>>>> >>>>>Tom - KB2SMS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: >>>>>>Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some >>>>feedback >>>>>>if anyone cares to chime in. >>>>>>I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, >>>>>>so I >>>>am >>>>>>not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like >>>>>>the >>>>>>sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already >>>>>>there). >>>>>> >>>>>>Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks >>>>>>ago). >>>>Love >>>>>>the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to >>>>>>hear >>>>much of >>>>>>anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been >>>>>>frustrating to >>>>>>say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power >>>>>>lines >>>>for >>>>>>one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies >>>>>>but is >>>>>>s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >>>>>>definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue >>>>>>(and >>>>one >>>>>>reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering >>>>>>could >>>>help >>>>>>with that.) >>>>>> >>>>>>Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I >>>>>>just >>>>>>happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for >>>>>>HF? Or >>>>is >>>>>>the base loaded vertical a joke? >>>>>> >>>>>>I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to >>>>>>try >>>>and >>>>>>get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the >>>>>>block. >>>>>>...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear >>>>>>some >>>>local >>>>>>AM stations. :) >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike AB7RU >>>>>> >>>>>>(On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was >>>>>>able to >>>>get >>>>>>a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing >>>>>>something like >>>>>>25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found >>>>>>a >>>>match >>>>>>to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not >>>>>>much... >>>>but >>>>>>I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >>>>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>Please help support this email list: >>>>>>http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com >>>>>> >>>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>>Elecraft mailing list >>>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>Elecraft mailing list >>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >>>> >>>-- >>>73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), >>>Rich Hurd / WC3T >>>DMR ID: 3142737 >>>Northampton County RACES >>>EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting >>>Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) >>>Grid: >>>*FN20is* >>>______________________________________________________________ >>>Elecraft mailing list >>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From dave at nk7z.net Sun Aug 13 12:35:29 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 setup In-Reply-To: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, Take a look at: http://nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/ About halfway down on the page is a link to a spread sheet of macros. Click on it to download. Then take a look at spread sheet line 60, macro 39. It is titled "SPLIT+5", if you fire that macro set off the P3 moves the current center frequency shown on the P3, to the left edge of the P3, then puts the K3 in split mode, and syncs the two VFOs, in addition to a slew other setup functions. The entire web page is devoted to using a pad to fire off macros, as opposed to a keyboard. I have 64 key Genovation keypad, and I press any single key, and a macro set is fired into the K3/P3. I almost never touch my K3 anymore, just fire macros at it via the pad. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/13/2017 09:11 AM, Chuck Teague via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings to the group. > > I have been trying to recall how to set up the P3 so that the K3 frequency > is aligned on the left side of the display. That is very handy for working > dx where the dx signal is on the left side of the display and the pileup is > spread out to the right. I've searched the archives and the manual but > can't find the answer, although I'm pretty sure it appeared o this forum > some time back. > > Can anyone set me straight, please? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Teague NN7U > > > > > ----- > Chuck Teague > NN7U > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-setup-tp7633337.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From rich at wc3t.us Sun Aug 13 12:32:43 2017 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:32:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: "When the antenna is connected directly to the KX3, there is no transmission line, so there is no need to match the antenna to the transmission line. It is putting the ATU at the feed point of the antenna." Ah. I see now. Light dawns on the Rockies. :) Thanks for the clarification! On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:09 Walter Underwood wrote: > In July, five SOTA operators put up seven different antennas on a summit > and compared their performance with WSPR. Six of the antennas were mostly > within 3 dB of each other. The EARCHI antenna (end-fed with transformer) > was between 6 and 15 dB worse than the others. So in one experiment, the > 9:1 transformer did not help. > > > http://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/seven-sota-antennas-compared-using-wspr-on-a-summit/15635 > < > http://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/seven-sota-antennas-compared-using-wspr-on-a-summit/15635 > > > > When the antenna is connected directly to the KX3, there is no > transmission line, so there is no need to match the antenna to the > transmission line. It is putting the ATU at the feed point of the antenna. > > The 26-29 foot length is chosen to avoid very high or very low impedances > in the ham bands down to 40 m Especially, it is not a 1/2 wave on any band. > That makes it easier to match. If you want to work 80 m, use a 53 foot wire. > > The 16 foot wire on the ground is a radial ?system?. One radial is a lot > better than none, but you could use more. The length isn?t especially > important because it is capacitively coupled to the ground. Ground > resistance swamps any resonance. > > I first heard about this antenna on this list. It was recommended by > Wayne, N6KR. It is documented on page 9 of the instructions for the KXAT1 > antenna tuner, ?...for backpacking use on 40/30/20 meters, a wire length of > 24-28 feet will generally provide good results. [?] Ground system: Use a at > least one ground radial, cut to at least 1/8th wavelength on the lowest > band used (16' on 40 meters). When possible, use two or more radials, with > one cut to 1/4 wavelength on each band." > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf < > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf> > > There is similar advice on page 10 of the KX2 manual. > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner%27s%20man.pdf < > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner's%20man.pdf> > > Finally, stop trying to think about ?balanced? and ?unbalanced? because > those words are used in bizarre, inconsistent ways. Voltage, whether DC or > RF, is always between two terminals. With a center-fed dipole, the two > terminals are the elements. With this setup, the two terminals are the wire > in the air and the wire on the ground. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Aug 13, 2017, at 5:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > > > Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): > > > > I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. > > > > I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by > using a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. > > > > I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told > about these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced > and the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments > with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great > successes. > > > > I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for > my current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun > isn't recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it > on my WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. > Why does this work? :) > > > > Thanks. > > > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood > wrote: > > You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com > http://bandconditions.com/>> > > > > Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised > if that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. > > > > Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly > to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 > feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 > foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the > ATU tune it and see you can hear. > > > > wunder > > K6WRU > > Walter Underwood > > CM87wj > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my > blog) > > > > > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>> wrote: > > > > > > The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and > listening. > > > > > > 73! > > > > > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > > >> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some > feedback > > >> if anyone cares to chime in. > > >> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so > I am > > >> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the > > >> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > > >> > > >> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). > Love > > >> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear > much of > > >> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating > to > > >> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power > lines for > > >> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but > is > > >> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > > >> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and > one > > >> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could > help > > >> with that.) > > >> > > >> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > > >> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? > Or is > > >> the base loaded vertical a joke? > > >> > > >> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try > and > > >> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > > >> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some > local > > >> AM stations. :) > > >> > > >> Mike AB7RU > > >> > > >> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able > to get > > >> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something > like > > >> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a > match > > >> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not > much... but > > >> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Elecraft mailing list > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft < > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm < > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > > >> > > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html < > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > > >> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft < > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm < > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html < > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org wunder at wunderwood.org> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft < > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html < > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > > -- > > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > > Rich Hurd / WC3T > > DMR ID: 3142737 > > Northampton County RACES > > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) > Grid: FN20is > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us -- 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), Rich Hurd / WC3T DMR ID: 3142737 Northampton County RACES EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Aug 13 12:50:22 2017 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:50:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: <59906C1B.5030008@arrl.net> References: <59906C1B.5030008@arrl.net> Message-ID: Steve, I'm not sure going with what you suggest allows for maximum utility. I run SDRplay to drive the main spectrum display with win4k3 and my sound card for the N1MM+. By doing this, I can click on signals from either display and have my radio move to it. I also run CW Skimmer off my sound card and I want to be able put my radio on a signal from that display. This all requires port replication and multiple data streams to/from the radio. There are good port replicators out there; I use com0com. But, there needs to be a way to tie it all together. You have two choices from what I have seen, LP Bridge which is a little quirky, or win4K3 which seems to run very smoothly. This sets you up for full bore station integration with likes of HRD and anything else you pick to add to the mix. I think Tom has said that he is adding more ports to win4k3 meaning that ultimately anything that can work with a KX3,K3, K3s can be added to the mix. The downside to all of this is not have a large enough monitor or room for multiple large monitors. :-( 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Steve London" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 8/13/2017 11:11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon >If you are looking for a simpler, no-cost option for using the N1MM+ >spectrum display with a K3 or K3S, Waterfall Bandmap provides that >capability, using LP-PAN, SDRPlay, or other SDR receivers that support >an ExtIO DLL. > >Waterfall Bandmap provides a standalone waterfall display, as well as >forwarding spectrum information to N1MM+ for display by the N1MM+ >spectrum display. > >See: >https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/waterfallbandmap/info > >http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Spectrum+Display+Window&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation > >73, >Steve, N2IC >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 13 12:52:57 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: Great advice! With one exception, every transmitter and receiver I've ever seen has had an balanced output -- that is, a coaxial connector of some sort. Current flows in loops -- the center conductor feeds one side of the loop, the chassis feeds the other. The exception was my very first transmitter, a military surplus BC-459, which had a single terminal fed from the output of an internal matching network. The return for output current was the chassis, which was mounted to the chassis of the military vehicle or aircraft in which it was used, and the chassis of that vehicle or aircraft acted as the other half of the antenna. The suggestion to use a BNC to female "dual Banana" adapter is a very good one. I've used one for exactly this purpose with my K2 and KX3 when operating portable. It makes a very easy way to connect wire antennas. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/13/2017 5:43 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Forget about "what you've been told". Do your own research using various publications such as ARRL Antenna Book or other like publications. Personally in the "I've been told" area, it seems hams have more incomplete and inaccurate information than correct and complete information. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 13, 2017, at 7:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >> >> Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): >> >> I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. >> >> I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by using >> a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. >> >> I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told about >> these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and >> the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments >> with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great >> successes. >> >> I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my >> current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun isn't >> recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it on my >> WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. Why does >> this work? :) >> >> Thanks. >> >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood >> wrote: >> >>> You can get a quick look at band conditions at http://bandconditions.com < >>> http://bandconditions.com/> >>> >>> Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if >>> that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. >>> >>> Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly >>> to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 >>> feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 >>> foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the >>> ATU tune it and see you can hear. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: >>>> >>>> The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. >>>> >>>> 73! >>>> >>>> Tom - KB2SMS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: >>>>> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some >>> feedback >>>>> if anyone cares to chime in. >>>>> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I >>> am >>>>> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the >>>>> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). >>>>> >>>>> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). >>> Love >>>>> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear >>> much of >>>>> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to >>>>> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines >>> for >>>>> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is >>>>> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >>>>> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and >>> one >>>>> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could >>> help >>>>> with that.) >>>>> >>>>> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just >>>>> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or >>> is >>>>> the base loaded vertical a joke? >>>>> >>>>> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try >>> and >>>>> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. >>>>> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some >>> local >>>>> AM stations. :) >>>>> >>>>> Mike AB7RU >>>>> >>>>> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to >>> get >>>>> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like >>>>> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a >>> match >>>>> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... >>> but >>>>> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >>> >> -- >> 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), >> Rich Hurd / WC3T >> DMR ID: 3142737 >> Northampton County RACES >> EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting >> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: >> *FN20is* >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com From KY5G at montac.com Sun Aug 13 12:55:57 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:55:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: <1502601561780-7633328.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502601561780-7633328.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1a1b4a3f-8737-c57c-15da-1da82581f753@montac.com> IMHO.... If you own a K3(s)/KX3/KX2 et al. and you want to do rig control, then you SHOULD purchase Win4K3Suite... No one HAS to... I did; couldn't be happier. Of course I also own HRD and others... I will now likely buy N1MM, too! 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/13/2017 12:19 AM, John_N1JM wrote: > Does this mean I would have to purchase Win4k3? > > 73, John N1JM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Contester-s-Spectral-Display-feature-of-N1MM-software-will-be-supported-soon-tp7633292p7633328.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ky5g at montac.com From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Aug 13 13:03:02 2017 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:03:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: <1a1b4a3f-8737-c57c-15da-1da82581f753@montac.com> References: <1502601561780-7633328.post@n2.nabble.com> <1a1b4a3f-8737-c57c-15da-1da82581f753@montac.com> Message-ID: Clay, Sorry. You can't buy N1MM; they give it away. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Clay Autery" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 8/13/2017 12:55:57 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon >IMHO.... If you own a K3(s)/KX3/KX2 et al. and you want to do rig >control, then you SHOULD purchase Win4K3Suite... > >No one HAS to... I did; couldn't be happier. Of course I also own HRD >and others... I will now likely buy N1MM, too! > >73, > >______________________ >Clay Autery, KY5G >MONTAC Enterprises >(318) 518-1389 > >On 8/13/2017 12:19 AM, John_N1JM wrote: >>Does this mean I would have to purchase Win4k3? >> >>73, John N1JM >> >> >> >>-- >>View this message in context: >>http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Contester-s-Spectral-Display-feature-of-N1MM-software-will-be-supported-soon-tp7633292p7633328.html >>Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to ky5g at montac.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 13 13:10:17 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 8/13/2017 9:09 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The 16 foot wire on the ground is a radial ?system?. One radial is a lot better than none, but you could use more. The length isn?t especially important Right. > because it is capacitively coupled to the ground. It's also inductively coupled. BUT -- that's NOT how or why radials work. AND a connection or coupling to earth does NOT make a transmitting antenna work better. That's because the earth is a big resistor, so it burns any power fed into it, whether with a direct connection or by capacitive or inductive coupling. In other words, it WASTES transmitter power. > Ground resistance swamps any resonance. Yes, but as noted above, not in a good way. :) There's a folded dipole antenna made with a big resistor in the middle of it, the effect of which is to "broadband" it by "swamping" the resonance, AND to burn half of the transmitter power. In other words, the transmitter puts power into the antenna, but half of it is wasted in that resistor. 73, Jim K9YC From KY5G at montac.com Sun Aug 13 13:10:31 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon In-Reply-To: References: <1502601561780-7633328.post@n2.nabble.com> <1a1b4a3f-8737-c57c-15da-1da82581f753@montac.com> Message-ID: <91458fb9-24f2-49a4-828a-954cf9f5d97f@montac.com> Cool... then if I like it, I'll have to find a way to contribute to the effort in some way. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G On 8/13/2017 12:03 PM, Barry wrote: > Clay, > Sorry. You can't buy N1MM; they give it away. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Clay Autery" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 8/13/2017 12:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM > software will be supported soon > >> IMHO.... If you own a K3(s)/KX3/KX2 et al. and you want to do rig >> control, then you SHOULD purchase Win4K3Suite... >> >> No one HAS to... I did; couldn't be happier. Of course I also own HRD >> and others... I will now likely buy N1MM, too! >> >> 73, >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/13/2017 12:19 AM, John_N1JM wrote: >>> Does this mean I would have to purchase Win4k3? >>> >>> 73, John N1JM From breedenwb at cableone.net Sun Aug 13 13:22:06 2017 From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <2e17a962-9f23-c32d-5ba7-0700248a2392@cableone.net> Jim, All of the transmitters at my place, a K3, a Yaesu FT817 and FT-920, and a Drake T-4XB, have "single ended" (unbalanced) outputs. 73, Bill - NA5DX On 8/13/2017 11:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Great advice! > > With one exception, every transmitter and receiver I've ever seen has > had an balanced output -- that is, a coaxial connector of some sort. > Current flows in loops -- the center conductor feeds one side of the > loop, the chassis feeds the other. The exception was my very first > transmitter, a military surplus BC-459, which had a single terminal > fed from the output of an internal matching network. The return for > output current was the chassis, which was mounted to the chassis of > the military vehicle or aircraft in which it was used, and the chassis > of that vehicle or aircraft acted as the other half of the antenna. > > The suggestion to use a BNC to female "dual Banana" adapter is a very > good one. I've used one for exactly this purpose with my K2 and KX3 > when operating portable. It makes a very easy way to connect wire > antennas. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/13/2017 5:43 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> Forget about "what you've been told". Do your own research using >> various publications such as ARRL Antenna Book or other like >> publications. Personally in the "I've been told" area, it seems >> hams have more incomplete and inaccurate information than correct and >> complete information. >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 13, 2017, at 7:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): >>> >>> I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. >>> >>> I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes >>> by using >>> a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. >>> >>> I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been >>> told about >>> these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced >>> and >>> the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments >>> with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with >>> great >>> successes. >>> >>> I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working >>> for my >>> current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun >>> isn't >>> recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put >>> it on my >>> WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. >>> Why does >>> this work? :) >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You can get a quick look at band conditions at >>>> http://bandconditions.com < >>>> http://bandconditions.com/> >>>> >>>> Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be >>>> surprised if >>>> that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. >>>> >>>> Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected >>>> directly >>>> to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 >>>> to 29 >>>> feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get >>>> a 16 >>>> foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. >>>> Let the >>>> ATU tune it and see you can hear. >>>> >>>> wunder >>>> K6WRU >>>> Walter Underwood >>>> CM87wj >>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and >>>>> listening. >>>>> >>>>> 73! >>>>> >>>>> Tom - KB2SMS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: >>>>>> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some >>>> feedback >>>>>> if anyone cares to chime in. >>>>>> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the >>>>>> hobby, so I >>>> am >>>>>> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the >>>>>> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). >>>>>> >>>>>> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). >>>> Love >>>>>> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear >>>> much of >>>>>> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been >>>>>> frustrating to >>>>>> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power >>>>>> lines >>>> for >>>>>> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies >>>>>> but is >>>>>> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >>>>>> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue >>>>>> (and >>>> one >>>>>> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering >>>>>> could >>>> help >>>>>> with that.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just >>>>>> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for >>>>>> HF? Or >>>> is >>>>>> the base loaded vertical a joke? >>>>>> >>>>>> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to >>>>>> try >>>> and >>>>>> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the >>>>>> block. >>>>>> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear >>>>>> some >>>> local >>>>>> AM stations. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike AB7RU >>>>>> >>>>>> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was >>>>>> able to >>>> get >>>>>> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing >>>>>> something like >>>>>> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a >>>> match >>>>>> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not >>>>>> much... >>>> but >>>>>> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >>>> >>> -- >>> 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), >>> Rich Hurd / WC3T >>> DMR ID: 3142737 >>> Northampton County RACES >>> EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting >>> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) >>> Grid: >>> *FN20is* >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to breedenwb at cableone.net From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Aug 13 13:22:54 2017 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:22:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: Jim, You got it. That is why my first recommendation is for ground independent antennas. For portable use, any antenna that can be hung by a single support should work nicely so long as it approximates 1/2 wave on the lowest frequency. An inverted V with it's center up a tree fed in the center with ladder line from a small current balun will work nicely, and it could even be sloping if the center can't be high enough. I have found sloping delta loops work nicely when fed with ladder line and a 4:1 balun. DO NOT worry about matching. If you are reading this, you probably have Elecraft gear. That means you really need a truly awful mismatch for your tuner not to be able to deal with it. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jim Brown" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 8/13/2017 1:10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? >On 8/13/2017 9:09 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>The 16 foot wire on the ground is a radial ?system?. One radial is a >>lot better than none, but you could use more. The length isn?t >>especially important > >Right. > >>because it is capacitively coupled to the ground. > >It's also inductively coupled. BUT -- that's NOT how or why radials >work. AND a connection or coupling to earth does NOT make a >transmitting antenna work better. That's because the earth is a big >resistor, so it burns any power fed into it, whether with a direct >connection or by capacitive or inductive coupling. In other words, it >WASTES transmitter power. > >>Ground resistance swamps any resonance. > >Yes, but as noted above, not in a good way. :) There's a folded >dipole antenna made with a big resistor in the middle of it, the effect >of which is to "broadband" it by "swamping" the resonance, AND to burn >half of the transmitter power. In other words, the transmitter puts >power into the antenna, but half of it is wasted in that resistor. > >73, Jim K9YC > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 13:28:07 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:28:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: The antenna Jim's is referring to (below) is ... I believe ... better known as a "T2FD". In a case of conning the unknowing B & W ... and maybe even themselves ... sold hundreds of them to the Army National Guard. You see them hanging above every armory here in MT. > Yes, but as noted above, not in a good way. :) There's a folded dipole >> antenna made with a big resistor in the middle of it, the effect of which >> is to "broadband" it by "swamping" the resonance, AND to burn half of the >> transmitter power. In other words, the transmitter puts power into the >> antenna, but half of it is wasted in that resistor. >> > > From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Aug 13 13:32:08 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:32:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: I should have just said ?coupled?. Without the wire on the ground, the chassis is the other terminal, like your BC-459 (previous message), but also includes your body when you touch it, which changes the impedance of the antenna system. The wire is important to stabilize the impedance. It is also more efficient than having zero radials. There are more efficient field antennas, but this setup weighs four ounces, including the midi-winders from SOTAbeams. Those are about the same size as the KX3, so they pack nicely. Last time I was on a summit, I was on the air five minutes after choosing a log to sit on. http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 13, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 8/13/2017 9:09 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> The 16 foot wire on the ground is a radial ?system?. One radial is a lot better than none, but you could use more. The length isn?t especially important > > Right. > >> because it is capacitively coupled to the ground. > > It's also inductively coupled. BUT -- that's NOT how or why radials work. AND a connection or coupling to earth does NOT make a transmitting antenna work better. That's because the earth is a big resistor, so it burns any power fed into it, whether with a direct connection or by capacitive or inductive coupling. In other words, it WASTES transmitter power. > >> Ground resistance swamps any resonance. > > Yes, but as noted above, not in a good way. :) There's a folded dipole antenna made with a big resistor in the middle of it, the effect of which is to "broadband" it by "swamping" the resonance, AND to burn half of the transmitter power. In other words, the transmitter puts power into the antenna, but half of it is wasted in that resistor. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 13 13:40:18 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:40:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <2e17a962-9f23-c32d-5ba7-0700248a2392@cableone.net> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <2e17a962-9f23-c32d-5ba7-0700248a2392@cableone.net> Message-ID: <9a657bfb-09f7-9831-fffe-8b0972131947@audiosystemsgroup.com> Typo on my part -- I meant to write UNBALANCED. :) Thanks for catching it! Jim On 8/13/2017 10:22 AM, Bill Breeden wrote: > im, > > All of the transmitters at my place, a K3, a Yaesu FT817 and FT-920, > and a Drake T-4XB, have "single ended" (unbalanced) outputs. > > 73, > > Bill - NA5DX > > > On 8/13/2017 11:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Great advice! >> >> With one exception, every transmitter and receiver I've ever seen has >> had an balanced output From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 13 13:54:02 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:54:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 8/13/2017 10:32 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Without the wire on the ground, the chassis is the other terminal, like your BC-459 (previous message), but also includes your body when you touch it, which changes the impedance of the antenna system. Yep. But in a vehicle, the VEHICLE'S chassis is the return. That's how mobile antennas work. And at home, an end fed wire with no radials uses the power system in your house as the counterpoise. While this can work, it also puts RF in your house and picks up noise from your house. And our body is the return for the antenna of our VHF/UHF talkie. On 8/13/2017 10:22 AM, Barry wrote: > Jim, > You got it. That is why my first recommendation is for ground > independent antennas. For portable use, any antenna that can be hung > by a single support should work nicely so long as it approximates 1/2 > wave on the lowest frequency. There's a gotcha there. It's quasi-ground-independent ONLY when there's a current minima at the feedpoint, and it isn't easy to make a single wire do that on all bands where we want to operate, because some are not harmonically related, and because a half wave is pretty long on 80 and 40M. :) And when it's an end fed full wave or 3/2 wave, the resulting pattern is pretty loby. But it is certainly true that when we CAN rig and load an end-fed half-wave, it's a pretty efficient antenna, especially if it's vertical. 73, Jim K9YC From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Aug 13 14:00:57 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> <5185E76D-F4E8-4620-ACF8-E39A57A79E2A@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: On 8/12/2017 10:12 PM, wb6rse1 at mac.com wrote: > Griffin advertises PC compatibility but I've no experience with an > iMic and a PC but I wouldn't hesitate to try it. Been using that arrangement for many years (with my K2, of course) with excellent results. Just needed a simple mono/stereo in-line adapter for the mono "fixed audio" output from the add-on board designed by Don Wilhem (w3fpr). Those adapters are very common and inexpensive. My source: http://www.pchcables.com/57129.html (I have no financial investment in that company, just a very satisfied local customer). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From ron at cobi.biz Sun Aug 13 14:08:49 2017 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:08:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000301d3145f$36d3dfa0$a47b9ee0$@biz> Sometimes convenience is more important than 3 dB of power. That is the case for many installations, including those T2FDs on National Guard armories. After all, EVERY antenna is a compromise of some sort. For example, consider the unidirectional Rhombic antenna, a staple of major commercial point-to-point stations since Marconi's day strung among a large field of telephone poles. A Rhombic is basically bi-directional with two main lobes 180 degrees apart in azimuth. But a resistor is added to make it unidirectional by absorbing half of the transmitter power that would normally be radiated in the "wrong" direction. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:28 AM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? The antenna Jim's is referring to (below) is ... I believe ... better known as a "T2FD". In a case of conning the unknowing B & W ... and maybe even themselves ... sold hundreds of them to the Army National Guard. You see them hanging above every armory here in MT. From breedenwb at cableone.net Sun Aug 13 14:13:38 2017 From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 setup In-Reply-To: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <71015c0e-e8a9-30d4-6c72-93ba3f136187@cableone.net> Chuck, With the P3 in "Tracking" mode, you can active the "Center" function with the SPAN/CENTER button (third button down the right) and then use the knob to move the cursor anywhere you want. I have several useful "Span" widths stored in some of the "FN" buttons so that I don't have to leave "Center" mode to change the "Span". That allows me to quickly re-position the cursor after changing the "Span" to accommodate the size of a particular pileup. 73, Bill - NA5DX On 8/13/2017 11:11 AM, Chuck Teague via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings to the group. > > I have been trying to recall how to set up the P3 so that the K3 frequency > is aligned on the left side of the display. That is very handy for working > dx where the dx signal is on the left side of the display and the pileup is > spread out to the right. I've searched the archives and the manual but > can't find the answer, although I'm pretty sure it appeared o this forum > some time back. > > Can anyone set me straight, please? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Teague NN7U > > > > > ----- > Chuck Teague > NN7U > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-setup-tp7633337.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to breedenwb at cableone.net From 6146guy at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 15:07:22 2017 From: 6146guy at gmail.com (David Gow) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:07:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Fred Cady KE7X Book For Sale Message-ID: I no longer own a KX3 and have no further need for this very helpful book. It is $45 on the Elecraft web site. Mine has been typically used for the last two years. It is in very good condition and includes a printout of the Errata on KE7X's web site. It in very good condition with no notations, underlining or highlighting. There is a coffee stain on the outside of the back cover lower left corner. Price is $20 plus shipping to include packaging and shipping method of your choice. A USPS Priority medium box will hold it very comfortably for $12. Dave W7VM From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 15:19:40 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:19:40 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <17505EEE-F002-486F-B62E-BE3E14ECAE29@gmail.com> It's not a "con." It is a trade off that provides wide frequency coverage with a simple, sturdy antenna in return for a few dB of loss. Quite reasonable if you are the National Guard. Vic 4X6GP > On 13 Aug 2017, at 20:28, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > The antenna Jim's is referring to (below) is ... I believe ... better known > as > a "T2FD". In a case of conning the unknowing B & W ... and maybe even > themselves ... sold hundreds of them to the Army National Guard. You see > them hanging above every armory here in MT. > > >> Yes, but as noted above, not in a good way. :) There's a folded dipole >>> antenna made with a big resistor in the middle of it, the effect of which >>> is to "broadband" it by "swamping" the resonance, AND to burn half of the >>> transmitter power. In other words, the transmitter puts power into the >>> antenna, but half of it is wasted in that resistor. From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Aug 13 15:36:02 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:36:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> Ummm ... let's be truthful here. The B&W folded dipole can be found in radio catalogs from the 50's. We all knew [I was a kid with a new license then and even I knew] that the doohicky at the center of the top wire was a 400 or so ohm non-inductive resistor, and half the power [3 dB] heated it up. There was no subterfuge and B&W wasn't "conning" anyone, it was very clear in the specification sheet. 300 ohms at the feed point, hams often fed them with 300 ohm TV twinlead of the day to a balanced link coupled to the final tank circuit. A 4:1 transformer netted 75 ohms which nicely matched that twinlead too. Nor did the Nat'l Guard get conned, they had a specific need for an MF/HF antenna that was light, easy for a couple of troops to erect, and very broadband ... their operating frequencies are [were] sort of day/night separated, rarely if ever harmonically related, and required ranges were in the several hundred miles or so miles. It was a great antenna for a specific purpose which is why you see [or saw] them at many military installations, some of which were Nat'l Guard Armories. For 10 months in high school, I worked coastal marine from So California. Very large V-Beams on 200 ft towers with two terminating resistors at the ends. Moderately broad patterns into the Pacific, very little off the backs [not many ships back there]. 5 KW from the TX, 2.5 KW into the resistors, 2.5 KW to all the ships at sea. Great antenna for the purpose. As with all things in Engineering, antenna choice is a basket of trade-offs. The Nat'l Guard rarely tries to work DX. Broadband however was near the top of their list. Incidentally, the "T2FD" [TTFD] acronym arose from the "Tilted Terminated Folded Dipole" developed by the US Navy during WW2, designed to have one end hoisted on a ship's mast and the other anchored near the deck. Lowered the elevation angle of the main lobe, something important to them. Hams associated it with someone's call which I can't remember at this point. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/13/2017 10:28 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > The antenna Jim's is referring to (below) is ... I believe ... better known > as > a "T2FD". In a case of conning the unknowing B & W ... and maybe even > themselves ... sold hundreds of them to the Army National Guard. You see > them hanging above every armory here in MT. > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 15:45:09 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:45:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory In-Reply-To: <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> Message-ID: Skip's /K6DGW is totally correct .... 73! K0PP On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ummm ... let's be truthful here. The B&W folded dipole can be found in > radio catalogs from the 50's. We all knew [I was a kid with a new license > then and even I knew] that the doohicky at the center of the top wire was a > 400 or so ohm non-inductive resistor, and half the power [3 dB] heated it > up. There was no subterfuge and B&W wasn't "conning" anyone, it was very > clear in the specification sheet. 300 ohms at the feed point, hams often > fed them with 300 ohm TV twinlead of the day to a balanced link coupled to > the final tank circuit. A 4:1 transformer netted 75 ohms which nicely > matched that twinlead too. > > Nor did the Nat'l Guard get conned, they had a specific need for an MF/HF > antenna that was light, easy for a couple of troops to erect, and very > broadband ... their operating frequencies are [were] sort of day/night > separated, rarely if ever harmonically related, and required ranges were in > the several hundred miles or so miles. It was a great antenna for a > specific purpose which is why you see [or saw] them at many military > installations, some of which were Nat'l Guard Armories. > > For 10 months in high school, I worked coastal marine from So California. > Very large V-Beams on 200 ft towers with two terminating resistors at the > ends. Moderately broad patterns into the Pacific, very little off the > backs [not many ships back there]. 5 KW from the TX, 2.5 KW into the > resistors, 2.5 KW to all the ships at sea. Great antenna for the purpose. > > As with all things in Engineering, antenna choice is a basket of > trade-offs. The Nat'l Guard rarely tries to work DX. Broadband however > was near the top of their list. > > Incidentally, the "T2FD" [TTFD] acronym arose from the "Tilted Terminated > Folded Dipole" developed by the US Navy during WW2, designed to have one > end hoisted on a ship's mast and the other anchored near the deck. Lowered > the elevation angle of the main lobe, something important to them. Hams > associated it with someone's call which I can't remember at this point. > > 73, > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/13/2017 10:28 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> The antenna Jim's is referring to (below) is ... I believe ... better >> known >> as >> a "T2FD". In a case of conning the unknowing B & W ... and maybe even >> themselves ... sold hundreds of them to the Army National Guard. You see >> them hanging above every armory here in MT. >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From k8mn at frontiernet.net Sun Aug 13 16:03:25 2017 From: k8mn at frontiernet.net (Dave Heil) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 20:03:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory In-Reply-To: <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> Message-ID: The U.S. Department of State uses many of these B&W folded dipoles in Africa and other nations with HF transceivers meant to be used by those with little or no radio operations experience. All the user needs do is consult a list of places and frequencies (which are all programmed into memory), key the microphone and talk. These antennas weren't made to work DX and neither were the transceivers. Any easy way to make up for the inefficiency is to switch on one of the 500 or 1000 matching amplifiers, none of which requires manual band switching or tuning up. Dave K8MN On 13-Aug-17 19:36, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ummm ... let's be truthful here. The B&W folded dipole can be found in > radio catalogs from the 50's. We all knew [I was a kid with a new > license then and even I knew] that the doohicky at the center of the top > wire was a 400 or so ohm non-inductive resistor, and half the power [3 > dB] heated it up... From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Aug 13 16:11:25 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 8/13/2017 10:28 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > The antenna Jim's is referring to (below) is ... I believe ... better > known as a "T2FD". In a case of conning the unknowing B & W ... and > maybe even themselves ... sold hundreds of them to the Army National > Guard. You see them hanging above every armory here in MT. It's the "standard" Federal agency antenna as well. I had one at my former house. It worked far better than what I am limited to now at a rental apartment - a 30-foot wire fed by an "un-un" . That was much better than its predecessor there which was no antenna at all - and the price was right (surplus gift from someone who was moving away). I sure miss my R-8 vertical...... 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From nn7uct at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:34:47 2017 From: nn7uct at yahoo.com (Chuck Teague) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:34:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 setup In-Reply-To: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1502656487708-7633361.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for the quick response, gentlemen. I've got what I need now, and Dave, thanks for the link to your site with the spreadsheet. Much appreciated. Chuck NN7U ----- Chuck Teague NN7U -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-setup-tp7633337p7633361.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w9ac at arrl.net Sun Aug 13 16:36:54 2017 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 with K3 and RemoteRig Message-ID: <00c101d31473$e7e90900$b7bb1b00$@arrl.net> I have a need to automatically switch antennas based on the K3's band data. Is it possible to use the Elecraft KRC2 device with the K3 + RemoteRig? The K3's RS232 port is already connected to the RemoteRig RRC unit. What is Elecraft's recommendation to accomplish data splitting between all three units? Paul, W9AC From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Aug 13 16:59:48 2017 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 20:59:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> Message-ID: Dave, They are used by a greater number than just state. The military, all, are using HF ALE. It's used because, you are correct about operators, a link can be set up by just IDing with whom you wish to talk. The radios run up and down the spectrum until they find each other and can make a solid linkup. No antenna is flat across that much spectrum, so in recent times, the T2FD has been employed. It seems auto-tuners don't keep up with the sounding rate from some of these radios. It was interesting to me to see the magnificent antenna field at Rockwell-Collins in Iowa augmented with a T2FD so that they could do work with their ALE radios. Harris Corp. does the same. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Heil" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 8/13/2017 4:03:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory >The U.S. Department of State uses many of these B&W folded dipoles in >Africa and other nations with HF transceivers meant to be used by those >with little or no radio operations experience. All the user needs do >is consult a list of places and frequencies (which are all programmed >into memory), key the microphone and talk. These antennas weren't made >to work DX and neither were the transceivers. Any easy way to make up >for the inefficiency is to switch on one of the 500 or 1000 matching >amplifiers, none of which requires manual band switching or tuning up. > >Dave K8MN > >On 13-Aug-17 19:36, Fred Jensen wrote: >>Ummm ... let's be truthful here. The B&W folded dipole can be found >>in radio catalogs from the 50's. We all knew [I was a kid with a new >>license then and even I knew] that the doohicky at the center of the >>top wire was a 400 or so ohm non-inductive resistor, and half the >>power [3 dB] heated it up... >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 13 17:13:58 2017 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:13:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory In-Reply-To: <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <9ce6af1e-269e-9ea6-5bf0-f9db1581b03f@foothill.net> Message-ID: <5990C116.2080901@roadrunner.com> From n4xy at comcast.net Sun Aug 13 17:13:47 2017 From: n4xy at comcast.net (n4xy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:13:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory Message-ID: <7qpelmhk1lyv4qy8sutep3ef.1502658827033@email.android.com> I have an NOS stainless steel version of the 160M B&W antenna that I bought 20 or 30 years ago. Now I can't put it up because I don't want to interfere with the pattern of my HyGain HyTower.?If anyone is interested in it, just send me an email. It will not be inexpensive. Thanks.? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Barry Date: 8/13/17 4:59 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Dave Heil , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory Dave, ???? They are used by a greater number than just state. The military, all, are using HF ALE. It's used because, you are correct about operators, a link can be set up by just IDing with whom you wish to talk. The radios run up and down the spectrum until they find each other and can make a solid linkup. No antenna is flat across that much spectrum, so in recent times, the T2FD has been employed. It seems auto-tuners don't keep up with the sounding rate from some of these radios. It was interesting to me to see the magnificent antenna field at Rockwell-Collins in Iowa augmented with a T2FD so that they could do work with their ALE radios. Harris Corp. does the same. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Heil" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 8/13/2017 4:03:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory >The U.S. Department of State uses many of these B&W folded dipoles in >Africa and other nations with HF transceivers meant to be used by those >with little or no radio operations experience.? All the user needs do >is consult a list of places and frequencies (which are all programmed >into memory), key the microphone and talk.? These antennas weren't made >to work DX and neither were the transceivers.? Any easy way to make up >for the inefficiency is to switch on one of the 500 or 1000 matching >amplifiers, none of which requires manual band switching or tuning up. > >Dave K8MN > >On 13-Aug-17 19:36, Fred Jensen wrote: >>Ummm ... let's be truthful here.? The B&W folded dipole can be found >>in radio catalogs from the 50's.? We all knew [I was a kid with a new >>license then and even I knew] that the doohicky at the center of the >>top wire was a 400 or so ohm non-inductive resistor, and half the >>power [3 dB] heated it up... >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n4xy at comcast.net From dave at nk7z.net Sun Aug 13 17:27:43 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 14:27:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 setup In-Reply-To: <1502656487708-7633361.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502640676287-7633337.post@n2.nabble.com> <1502656487708-7633361.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Have fun... Look into setting up the Genovation pad, it is a blast to just hit the "SPLIT+5" button and have the entire radio and P3 preset themselves in about 2 seconds... :) Great for DX... Take care! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/13/2017 01:34 PM, Chuck Teague via Elecraft wrote: > Thanks for the quick response, gentlemen. I've got what I need now, and > Dave, thanks for the link to your site with the spreadsheet. Much > appreciated. > > Chuck > NN7U > > > > ----- > Chuck Teague > NN7U > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-setup-tp7633337p7633361.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 13 17:41:18 2017 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:41:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5990C77E.4030604@roadrunner.com> Cebik, W4RNL, modeled two versions of the T2FT. One 165ft long and the other 100ft. Here is what he said about these antennas: Terminator Resistor Losses Although transmitting uses have been made of the T2FD, its chief use appears to be as a short wave reception antenna. In this application, the excess available receiver gain can largely make up for losses incurred in the terminating resistor. The losses in the terminating resistor are considerable, ranging from nearly half power to amounts in excess of 90% of the available RF power. The pattern of losses is not a simple smooth curve, but varies throughout the operating range of the antenna. The following graph plots the losses in terms of dB. For reference, a 3 dB power loss represents half the power being dissipated in the resistor. Higher values indicate more of the power being dissipated rather than being radiated (or transferred to the receiver). 73, Roger On 8/13/2017 3:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ummm ... let's be truthful here. The B&W folded dipole can be found in radio catalogs from the 50's. We all knew [I was a kid with a new license then and even I knew] that the doohicky at the center of the top wire was a 400 or so ohm non-inductive resistor, and half the power [3 dB] heated it up. There was no subterfuge and B&W wasn't "conning" anyone, it was very clear in the specification sheet. 300 ohms at the feed point, hams often fed them with 300 ohm TV twinlead of the day to a balanced link coupled to the final tank circuit. A 4:1 transformer netted 75 ohms which nicely matched that twinlead too. > From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Aug 13 18:15:09 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 15:15:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] B&W Folded Dipole over an Armory In-Reply-To: <5990C77E.4030604@roadrunner.com> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <5990C77E.4030604@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <22cc7b3c-64c9-6016-5181-45aaab380dff@foothill.net> Not sure where he got the "chief use" from, all the T2FD's I've ever seen [and can remember] were transmit/receive, usually using KWM-2A's. But, yes, the amount of power dissipated in the termination depends on the frequency vs the overall length. We used them in the 60's in SE Asia and our maint depot guys would adjust the length so that the lowest loss areas were around our assigned frequencies which were generally in the 2.5 to 10 MHz range, usually two of them [day/night], sometimes a third. Same situation with the large V-beams and Rhombics in commercial servicewhich accounts for the land area occupied by a commercial MF/HF TX site: One V-beam does not fit all frequencies. TheT2FD's sure beat a fan dipole since, once on the ground, we had way more important things to do than adjust antennas. [:-) 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/13/2017 2:41 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > Cebik, W4RNL, modeled two versions of the T2FT. One 165ft long and the > other 100ft. > Here is what he said about these antennas: > > Terminator Resistor Losses > Although transmitting uses have been made of the T2FD, its chief use > appears to be as a short wave reception antenna. In this application, > the excess available receiver gain can largely make up for losses > incurred in the terminating resistor. > > The losses in the terminating resistor are considerable, ranging from > nearly half power to amounts in excess of 90% of the available RF > power. The pattern of losses is not a simple smooth curve, but varies > throughout the operating range of the antenna. The following graph > plots the losses in terms of dB. For reference, a 3 dB power loss > represents half the power being dissipated in the resistor. Higher > values indicate more of the power being dissipated rather than being > radiated (or transferred to the receiver). > > 73, Roger From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Aug 13 19:03:58 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:03:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: If you are end-feeding a wire, and it's near a half-wave on the band you're operating (let's say 32 3/4 feet, and 14.300 MHz) an end-fed wire is going to be close to infinite impedance, and you need some kind of Un-Un (9:1 being common) to step up from 50 ohms or thereabouts. If you're trying to operate on the same frequency, and the wire is more like 48 feet, the impedance will be a whole lot lower and no transformer is indicated. This is the myth of the "random" wire, and why one "random" wire works like gangbusters, and the next "random" wire is kinda lousy. Antenna theory matters. 73 -- Lynn On 8/13/2017 9:09 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > In July, five SOTA operators put up seven different antennas on a summit and compared their performance with WSPR. Six of the antennas were mostly within 3 dB of each other. The EARCHI antenna (end-fed with transformer) was between 6 and 15 dB worse than the others. So in one experiment, the 9:1 transformer did not help. From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Aug 13 20:08:05 2017 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 20:08:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig Message-ID: I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig and K3/Mini for remote operation. I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the rotator and power switching anyway. I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of cables when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote operation. Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed for the original K3. For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any advantages when it comes to RR configuration? Thanks jim ab3cv From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Aug 13 20:34:47 2017 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 20:34:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another K3/0-mini RR question: If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or N1MM+ for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is connected to the RR? thanks jim ab3cv On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig > and K3/Mini for remote operation. > > I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some > other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the > rotator and power switching anyway. > > I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." > > One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of cables > when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote > operation. > > Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this > reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed > for the original K3. > > For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the > cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any > advantages when it comes to RR configuration? > > Thanks > > jim ab3cv > > > From rcrgs at verizon.net Sun Aug 13 21:24:30 2017 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 01:24:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Some K2 notes after completion In-Reply-To: <767VHLN8D3088S08.1502546403@web08.cms.usa.net> References: <767VHLN8D3088S08.1502546403@web08.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <5990FBCE.4050001@verizon.net> Anthony... I wouldn't say it's a "basic" radio but rather that it is just about a state-of-the-art radio without bells and whistles. What the K2 does it does just about as well as any of the "modern" radios. You'll enjoy it more and more as you use it. ...robert On 08/12/2017 14:00, Anthony Clare wrote: > Hello all. > > I just wanted to pass along a few tidbits after the completion of my K2 (2 > months ago). > > First, I want to thank Don for his patience during my low BFO level issue. In > the end, none of the normal fixes alone seemed to work. However, that problem > was solved by changing a capacitor value in combination with the usual fixes. > I did learn how critical the installation of the BFO toroid was for proper > level and frequency range. Unfortunately, in my case, it was not quite enough > in itself. All good now, though. > > I thought I did a good enough job installing C70. I did not. Sure enough, > during some field day testing, I had the horrible distortion on signals around > 7185 kHz. I shortened up the one lead on C70 just a little more. Problem > solved! > Do not leave ANY extra length on those leads! > > I am curious how others have dealt with the new tuning knob. It is a nice > knob, but will not reach the felt pad on the front panel. I suppose you could > stack a few pads, but you would need to fill at least a 3/16" gap. On my knob, > I attached a thick brass disc that fits within the indentation on the back of > the knob and is drilled out in the center the clear the shaft nut on the > encoder. This fills the space behind the knob. Since the disc is smaller in > diameter, it does not interfere with the display bezel. I was going the drill > and tap the back of the knob and use countersunk screws on the disc to hold > it. However, I super glued the disc to the knob to perform a temporary test > and it did not want to come back off for drilling. I guess I do not need the > screws after all. > > Overall, I have been enjoying this rig and have been very pleased with the > performance and the amount of functions built into the programming. I was a > little worried about spending a lot of money for such a basic radio, but it > bothers me less every time I use it. > > Have a good day, > Anthony > n3kcb > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Aug 13 21:56:28 2017 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 18:56:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 with K3 and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <00c101d31473$e7e90900$b7bb1b00$@arrl.net> References: <00c101d31473$e7e90900$b7bb1b00$@arrl.net> Message-ID: <7A46F45F-4B4E-4B08-ADBE-8A897DE8CE9F@me.com> The KRC2 connects quite nicely to the K3?s AuxBus. In fact this is the recommended method for using the KRC2 with the K3. It will respond to the band change information the K3 sends on that medium. The Auxbus is on the K3?s AUX IO connector. As I recall, it is on pin 2, with ground on Pin 5. See the KRC2 manual for more information. If you have questions about the KRC2, just ask! - Jack, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On Aug 13, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Paul Christensen wrote: > > I have a need to automatically switch antennas based on the K3's band data. > Is it possible to use the Elecraft KRC2 device with the K3 + RemoteRig? The > K3's RS232 port is already connected to the RemoteRig RRC unit. What is > Elecraft's recommendation to accomplish data splitting between all three > units? > > Paul, W9AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From w9ac at arrl.net Sun Aug 13 22:00:14 2017 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:00:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 with K3 and RemoteRig Message-ID: <000801d314a1$13cd7b00$3b687100$@arrl.net> >"The KRC2 connects quite nicely to the K3's AuxBus. In fact this is the recommended method for using the KRC2 with the K3. It will respond to the band change information the K3 sends on that medium. The Auxbus is on the K3's AUX IO connector. As I recall, it is on pin 2, with ground on Pin 5. See the KRC2 manual for more information. If you have questions about the KRC2, just ask! - Jack, W6FB Elecraft Engineering" Jack, exactly what I needed. Many thanks! Paul, W9AC -----Original Message----- From: Paul Christensen [mailto:w9ac at arrl.net] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:37 PM To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: KRC2 with K3 and RemoteRig I have a need to automatically switch antennas based on the K3's band data. Is it possible to use the Elecraft KRC2 device with the K3 + RemoteRig? The K3's RS232 port is already connected to the RemoteRig RRC unit. What is Elecraft's recommendation to accomplish data splitting between all three units? Paul, W9AC From rick at tavan.com Mon Aug 14 00:30:23 2017 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:30:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not nearly as bad as one might think, Jim. I operate my mountain station both locally and remotely. When I leave that location, I have a little checklist. Well, it's not completely little, but most of it is stuff that rarely changes. I don't have to move ANY cables to convert from local to remote operation. Here's how: - The local speaker at the remote site connects to SPKR on the K3. The RRC audio in connects to PHONES. The local headset and speaker are in parallel but the powered speaker has an Off switch. - The local mic and the RRC Mic Out connect to K3 Mic In, in parallel. - The local external keyer and the RRC key out line connect to K3 Key In, in parallel. - The local PTT line and the RRC PTT out line connect to K3 PTT In, in parallel. - The K3 RS232 connects to a two position rotary DB9 switch. One side goes to the P3 for local operation only. The other side goes to the RRC for remote operation only. The Go Remote checklist says "Set RS232 Switch to Remote." These switches are abundant and cheap online. Mine is called "QVS SureGrip Commercial Dataswitch." I think it cost about $10. - The checklist reminds me to set K3 AF gains to 9:00. This isn't critical but my logger often sends commands to the K3 that cause it to reset to the physical position of those knobs. (Yes, that's weird.) If they're fully CCW, the audio goes dead until I twiddle the control side K3 (or K3-0) AF gain control(s). - I use N1MM Logger Plus at either end, only one at a time. Operating locally, the computer connects to the P3 and is set to the appropriate COM port number. At the control site, the computer connects to the control RRC and is set to the COM port number corresponding to what the RRC confusingly calls its own "COM1." - My control site is a K3 which can operate either as a control head for the remote K3 or as a local radio. Switching is similar to what I describe above, including an RS232 switch, although Mic, Audio, and PTT circuits are in the opposite directions. That's all there is to it except for extra added attractions: - Amplifier control is via KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote and Alpha Remote. The Elecraft apps run in client/server config with the server side on a dedicated shack computer ($250) at the remote site. I access Alpha Remote via a remote desktop facility to the same server. - Antenna switching is automated at the remote site using Top Ten decoders, diode matrix, and WX0B Six Pak. - A remotely controlled relay board controls which amp to use, which band segments are set on my 80M rotary dipole, and whether the SteppIR or tribander is in use on the high bands. This is complicated but imminently achievable. - Rotator control is via PstRotatorAz, running client/server. - All 120V AC power is controlled via a remote AC switch box from Digital Loggers. Older versions work fine and are reasonably priced at closeout stores. I set mine up with two user IDs. The usual ID only controls the shack 12VDC PS and the rotor. A special Admin ID can also power cycle things that usually stay on like the server computer, cable modem, and router. - If you choose to use a local server computer like I do, make sure to get one that reboots after a power failure! Most laptops don't. Most old, surplus machines intended for server use have this as an optional feature. In total, it's a lot of integration. But I also have a lot of flexibility. I still don't have remote panadapter display, dang it. But there is some good work going on with tools like Win4K3Suite, LP-PAN, external SDRs, etc. that may help here once I make time to learn them. GL & 73, /Rick N6XI On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig > and K3/Mini for remote operation. > > I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some > other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the > rotator and power switching anyway. > > I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." > > One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of cables > when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote > operation. > > Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this > reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed > for the original K3. > > For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the > cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any > advantages when it comes to RR configuration? > > Thanks > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 14 00:58:27 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:58:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both: Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're fortunate, they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM Extra. See below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ], will be another COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx] as the port in your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the remote radio. It's more or less transparent. For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports in the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label. Watch as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order listed above, label or not. Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or more appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF. There is just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly, and there will be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and occasionally dropouts, depending on your connection and ISP. BW requirements are fairly low, maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse] here. Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation, including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500. Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 takes input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track the radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, but believe me, it is non-trivial. Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the screen or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse. If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're keying and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying the mini [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The mic/line in function just as if they were connected AT the remote. Hope this helps 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Another K3/0-mini RR question: > > If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or N1MM+ > for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is > connected to the RR? > > thanks > > jim ab3cv > > > > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig >> and K3/Mini for remote operation. >> >> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some >> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the >> rotator and power switching anyway. >> >> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." >> >> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of cables >> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote >> operation. >> >> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this >> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed >> for the original K3. >> >> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the >> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any >> advantages when it comes to RR configuration? >> >> Thanks >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > From jimk0xu at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 06:45:21 2017 From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 05:45:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> References: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> Message-ID: Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know. Wish it were. Jim Rhodes K0XU On Aug 13, 2017 23:59, "Fred Jensen" wrote: > There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both: > > Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM > ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're fortunate, > they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM Extra. See > below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ], will be another > COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx] as the port in > your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the remote radio. > It's more or less transparent. > > For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports in > the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label. Watch > as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order listed > above, label or not. > > Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or more > appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF. There is > just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly, and there will > be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and occasionally dropouts, > depending on your connection and ISP. BW requirements are fairly low, > maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse] here. > > Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation, > including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500. > Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 takes > input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also > connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track the > radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, but > believe me, it is non-trivial. > > Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the screen > or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you > need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse. > > If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just > disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're keying > and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying the mini > [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The mic/line in > function just as if they were connected AT the remote. > > Hope this helps > > 73, > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Another K3/0-mini RR question: >> >> If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or >> N1MM+ >> for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is >> connected to the RR? >> >> thanks >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig >>> and K3/Mini for remote operation. >>> >>> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some >>> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the >>> rotator and power switching anyway. >>> >>> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." >>> >>> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of >>> cables >>> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote >>> operation. >>> >>> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this >>> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed >>> for the original K3. >>> >>> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the >>> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any >>> advantages when it comes to RR configuration? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> jim ab3cv >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From vk6vz at arach.net.au Mon Aug 14 09:14:13 2017 From: vk6vz at arach.net.au (Steve Ireland) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:14:13 +0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 and Pure Signal - a DDC/DUC SDR in the Elecraft pipeline? Message-ID: <2995B18A298F42C89BCC74C7B0695E03@StevesHPpcPC> G?day I am sure I am not the only one who has noticed that the new KPA 1500 has a connector on its rear panel labelled ?TX Sample?. Reading the Elecraft FAQ on the KPA 1500, it says that this ?provides a low level KPA 1500 TX RF signal for sampling use by transceivers that support closed-loop pre-distortion techniques, e.g. Pure Signal. This low-level signal is taken directly from the amplifier?s directional coupler.? For those on this reflector who are not familiar with ?Pure Signal?, it is the name given to ?the theory and implementation of the clean transmission logic developed by the OpenHPSDR team and implemented in PowerSDR [softwar as used with the ANAN radios? (see SDR-Radio.com - http://sdr-radio.com/Version-3/Transmit/Pure-Signal). Using pre-distortion, Pure Signal means that transmit IM3 can be improved significantly ? up to 20dB from memory. Now Pure Signal is an SDR technique and many amateurs have been wondering when Elecraft is going to finally take a leap beyond the KX3 into digital down conversion/up conversion SDR or even the latest Direct Fourier Conversion SDR? Looks to me perhaps that the leap is not far off ? unless Elecraft are seeing a big market for ANAN SDR owners buying the KPA 1500 (which, incidentally looks fabulous)? ;-) What say you, Wayne N6KR? Vy 73 Steve, VK6VZ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n4rp at n4rp.com Mon Aug 14 09:22:49 2017 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 09:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> <5185E76D-F4E8-4620-ACF8-E39A57A79E2A@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <827f91ca-5a97-edfe-bbf3-7a858f635861@n4rp.com> I've had great luck with the iMic on windows 7 & 8.1, never tired 10. Also works great with every version of Linux I've tried. 73, Ross N4RP On 8/13/2017 1:12 AM, wb6rse1 at mac.com wrote: > Griffin advertises PC compatibility but I've no experience with an iMic and a PC but I wouldn't hesitate to try it. > > GL - Steve WB6RSE > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From lists at subich.com Mon Aug 14 09:35:23 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 09:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer In-Reply-To: <827f91ca-5a97-edfe-bbf3-7a858f635861@n4rp.com> References: <831253382.386632.1502545920545@mail.yahoo.com> <2105841691.444812.1502548157528@mail.yahoo.com> <89280aa2-b785-c4ed-fabc-7fcd8d9a500d@techie.com> <9BB5255B-FDE5-4852-9B81-9939510CFDD4@voodoolab.com> <5185E76D-F4E8-4620-ACF8-E39A57A79E2A@voodoolab.com> <827f91ca-5a97-edfe-bbf3-7a858f635861@n4rp.com> Message-ID: iMic is supported by the standard "USB Audio Device" driver on Windows, iOS and LINUX. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/14/2017 9:22 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > I've had great luck with the iMic on windows 7 & 8.1, never tired 10. > Also works great with every version of Linux I've tried. > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 8/13/2017 1:12 AM, wb6rse1 at mac.com wrote: >> Griffin advertises PC compatibility but I've no experience with an >> iMic and a PC but I wouldn't hesitate to try it. >> >> GL - Steve WB6RSE >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Aug 14 11:19:28 2017 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:19:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with RemoteRig. I'll keep looking... 73 jim ab3cv On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 6:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and > internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less > cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know. > Wish it were. > > Jim Rhodes > K0XU > > On Aug 13, 2017 23:59, "Fred Jensen" wrote: > > > There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both: > > > > Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM > > ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're > fortunate, > > they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM Extra. See > > below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ], will be > another > > COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx] as the port in > > your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the remote radio. > > It's more or less transparent. > > > > For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports in > > the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label. > Watch > > as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order listed > > above, label or not. > > > > Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or more > > appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF. There is > > just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly, and there > will > > be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and occasionally dropouts, > > depending on your connection and ISP. BW requirements are fairly low, > > maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse] > here. > > > > Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation, > > including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500. > > Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 > takes > > input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also > > connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track > the > > radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, > but > > believe me, it is non-trivial. > > > > Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the > screen > > or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you > > need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse. > > > > If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just > > disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're > keying > > and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying the mini > > [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The mic/line > in > > function just as if they were connected AT the remote. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > 73, > > > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > > Sparks NV USA > > Washoe County DM09dn > > > > On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > > > >> Another K3/0-mini RR question: > >> > >> If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or > >> N1MM+ > >> for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is > >> connected to the RR? > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> jim ab3cv > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> > >> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig > >>> and K3/Mini for remote operation. > >>> > >>> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some > >>> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the > >>> rotator and power switching anyway. > >>> > >>> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." > >>> > >>> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of > >>> cables > >>> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote > >>> operation. > >>> > >>> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this > >>> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is > needed > >>> for the original K3. > >>> > >>> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the > >>> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer > any > >>> advantages when it comes to RR configuration? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> jim ab3cv > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >> http://www.avg.com > >> > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From jrhallas at optonline.net Mon Aug 14 11:54:44 2017 From: jrhallas at optonline.net (Joel Hallas) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 18 - More on the TTFD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401d31515$a624ea50$f26ebef0$@net> I agree with most of the statements about the TTFD, or B&W FD, if you prefer. While not as efficient as some, it meets a number of particular needs, especially that it has a similar directional pattern over a 5:1 frequency range -- especially useful for point-to-point links using multiple HF frequencies, either manually or by ALE. I did an assessment of this antenna and wrote a QST article on it that I recommend for those interested. The one point I disagree with is the statement that the terminating resistor dissipates half the power. The power dissipated is a function of frequency and, while it is not far from 3 dB at the high end of the frequency range, it absorbs much more at the low end -- about 90%! Not only is that 10 dB less signal on transmit, but the resistor power rating needs to be 90% of the transmit output, if high duty-cycle modes are used. Note that it is not as big a problem on receive, since the receive S/N on the lower bands is sufficiently atmospheric noise limited, that the receive S/N is not greatly impacted, even though the s-meter will read lower by 10 dB. My article is available to ARRL members on the QST print archive on the ARRL website. Sep 2010 - QST (Pg. 51) A Close Look at the Terminated Folded Dipole Antenna Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Westport, CT From bxg at hotmail.co.uk Mon Aug 14 12:22:39 2017 From: bxg at hotmail.co.uk (Bodie Goodall) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:22:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted - XG50 Message-ID: Does anyone UK have a used one for sale? Seems a bit of a waste to buy one new for a single use! Thanks all ;) From ekacura at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 12:22:58 2017 From: ekacura at yahoo.com (edward kacura) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 For Sale References: <1540270775.1383243.1502727778280.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1540270775.1383243.1502727778280@mail.yahoo.com> GM Guys, I have a KX1 for sale, s/n 2698. It's in excellent condition, has the ATU installed, also has the paddles. Don Wilhelm, W3FPR went thru it a few months ago and gave it a clean bill of health ! While it was there, he built and installed for me the K6XX CW indicator kit which allows you to zero beat the station with the lamp installed on the KX1. It comes with the manual of course ! I already have another KX1, and went and broke down and bought a K1, my third ! Can't seem to stay away from the K1....lol ! So this one is really surplus to my needs, plus I need to put the money back in the bank I used to buy the K1....lol !! Price is $450.00 firm, I'll pay shipping and insurance. I can do PayPal or M.O. Contact me at ekacura at yahoo.com Pictures on request..... 72/73 de Ed N7EDK Bradenton, FL From jjreisert at alum.mit.edu Mon Aug 14 12:27:20 2017 From: jjreisert at alum.mit.edu (Jim Reisert AD1C) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 10:27:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 Message-ID: I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild the computer from scratch after a number of software problems developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 that we're having problems with. I have been referring to this page: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip set." How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I do not know what that is. Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us From w3ul.bill at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 13:15:57 2017 From: w3ul.bill at gmail.com (Bill Rogers W3UL) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to *Device Manager*,* Ports*, selecting the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to *Properties*. There, on all of my USB connections, it says "*Manufacturer: FTDI*". Hope that will help. 73, Bill W3UL On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: > I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 > owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. > > His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with > the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild > the computer from scratch after a number of software problems > developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is > working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 > that we're having problems with. > > I have been referring to this page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm > > First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB > serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was > originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately > July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip > set." > > How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM > ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: > > One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" > > Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. > > There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. > > I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and > 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can > communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I > do not know what that is. > > Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull > cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. > > Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug > this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above > *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. > > Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C > > -- > Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3ul.bill at gmail.com > -- 73, William (Bill) Rogers / W3UL Annapolis, Maryland U.S.A. From jjreisert at alum.mit.edu Mon Aug 14 13:27:31 2017 From: jjreisert at alum.mit.edu (Jim Reisert AD1C) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:27:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to Device Manager, Ports, selecting > the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to Properties. > There, on all of my USB connections, it says "Manufacturer: FTDI". Hope > that will help. Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. Because there are two COM ports not associated with the microHAM device (the generic "USB" and the one that has a Silicon Labs driver), I guess I have to assume that the generic USB COM port is the one that the K3 needs. I'll see what type of device it is, and if I can find the right driver for it. - Jim -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us From KY5G at montac.com Mon Aug 14 13:50:56 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:50:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's your issue.... Either he has a counterfeit FTDI chip/unit, OR simply haven't gotten the FTDI drivers all updated. I JUST used an older Elecraft supplied FTDI cable the other day to update an Elmer's KPA500 or KAT500, I forget which.... and it took some doing to finally get the latest FTDI drivers on ALL the ports used for K3s, XG3, KAT500, KPA500, P3, etc... Latest driver is dated: 09/28/2016 v.2.12.24.0 according to my machine... Maybe an even newer one for Win10. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/14/2017 12:15 PM, Bill Rogers W3UL wrote: > Jim > > On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to *Device Manager*,* Ports*, > selecting the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to > *Properties*. There, on all of my USB connections, it says "*Manufacturer: > FTDI*". Hope that will help. > > 73, Bill W3UL > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C > wrote: > >> I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 >> owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. >> >> His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with >> the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild >> the computer from scratch after a number of software problems >> developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is >> working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 >> that we're having problems with. >> >> I have been referring to this page: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm >> >> First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB >> serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was >> originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately >> July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip >> set." >> >> How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM >> ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: >> >> One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" >> >> Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. >> >> There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. >> >> I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and >> 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can >> communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I >> do not know what that is. >> >> Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull >> cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. >> >> Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug >> this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above >> *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. >> >> Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C >> >> -- >> Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3ul.bill at gmail.com >> > > From KY5G at montac.com Mon Aug 14 13:52:32 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:52:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My K3s is using an FTDI driver right this minute for BOTH Win4K3Suite and/or Elecraft K3s Config software... COM7 by the way... not that that really matters. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/14/2017 12:27 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: >> On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to Device Manager, Ports, selecting >> the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to Properties. >> There, on all of my USB connections, it says "Manufacturer: FTDI". Hope >> that will help. > Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could > be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. Because there are > two COM ports not associated with the microHAM device (the generic > "USB" and the one that has a Silicon Labs driver), I guess I have to > assume that the generic USB COM port is the one that the K3 needs. > I'll see what type of device it is, and if I can find the right driver > for it. > > - Jim > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 14 14:10:42 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:10:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/14/2017 10:27 AM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: > Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could > be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. This vendor, a ham in San Jose, sells a wide range of genuine FTDI USB adapter cables, including this one that's USB to DB9. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-USB-2-0-Converter-Adapter-Cable-to-RS-232-9-Pin-RS232-Serial-Port-STM-DB-9M-/151566371748?hash=item234a0f4ba4:g:dYUAAOSwbApZc97o I bought a couple of cables from him and was pleased with what I got. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 14 14:24:55 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:24:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 18 - More on the TTFD In-Reply-To: <001401d31515$a624ea50$f26ebef0$@net> References: <001401d31515$a624ea50$f26ebef0$@net> Message-ID: <6649b391-9e2e-d2b9-bb0a-6472ea879423@foothill.net> True. For any given total length, the loss to the termination increases as the TX frequency goes down, and the loss vs freq curve rises rapidly near the lower end. The solution of course is to make the total length of the FD, end-to-end long enough that the termination loss at the chosen TX freq(s) is close to 3 dB. This works well for the military and government installations who often have a small number of assigned frequencies, and the ubiquitous "B&W Over Armories" version capitalizes on this. ALE complicates that strategy somewhat of course. As has been noted before, antenna choice is a basket full of trade-offs and not every application for an antenna is to make Honor Roll in a week. Paraphrasing Rowdy, my #1 while in the military, "We sometimes find ourselves trying to pick fly poop out of the pepper." In that vein, I suspect that 95%+ of the time, anything I can work with 10 W on 20 m from my K2 I can also work with 5 W on 20 m from the same K2. Of course, 87.49% of people make up their own statistics too. [:-) 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 8:54 AM, Joel Hallas wrote: > The one point I disagree with is the > statement that the terminating resistor dissipates half the power. The power > dissipated is a function of frequency and, while it is not far from 3 dB at > the high end of the frequency range, it absorbs much more at the low end -- > about 90%! Not only is that 10 dB less signal on transmit, but the resistor > power rating needs to be 90% of the transmit output, if high duty-cycle > modes are used. Note that it is not as big a problem on receive, since the > receive S/N on the lower bands is sufficiently atmospheric noise limited, > that the receive S/N is not greatly impacted, even though the s-meter will > read lower by 10 dB. > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Aug 14 14:26:28 2017 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:26:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: (Inductively coupled, balanced tuner) Need info offline Message-ID: I have acquired what once was an old, heavy duty, inductively coupled balanced tuner that needs to be completely rebuilt. It looks like it had never been incased, either. The parts can handle some power. I only have 100 watts, but I would like to see how the individual coils perform compared to my Johnson Matchbox with the Anneke Mod. The 8 plug-in coil units are commercially made, and are stenciled 2 to 18 MC. They are about 11 CM (4.25 in) in diameter and about 14 CM (5.5 in) long. They each have 5 banana plugs about 3.25 CM (1.25 in) apart OC. FYI- Two of the variable capacitors have 1 CM spacing between the plates, and are about 9 CM (3.5 inches) in diameter, and are about 34 CM (13.5 in) long. There are two other var caps that are smaller, but very nice. Here is the problem: The plug-in coil units have banana plugs already described. One became unscrewed on one unit and is missing. The base unit they plug into is stenciled ?TVL BASE? and it is missing the center socket that the banana plugs mate with. I can possibly work around this using an alligator clip, but I would like to get replacement parts if possible. So far, my searches have resulted in nothing even close. If anyone can help, please contact me off-line. Some of you have been wonderful in the past. Thanks for tolerating this post, Rich, n0ce From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 14 14:40:35 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:40:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> Message-ID: <7cf08d04-b6af-4f86-54e7-2756fbd35d3d@foothill.net> Now you've gone and confused me again. [:-) My control radio is a K3 [old, S/N 642]. I have a9PDT data switch that switches the K3 serial RS-232 CAT port from the RemoteRig [for remote operations] to my local computer [when running from home]. The K3 requires that I connect the mic and headphones to the RRC box for remote and to the K3 for local operation, which is mildly annoying. The K3s and K3/0 [mini] provide an integrated USB connection, and Elecraft provides a nifty one-cable-to-three-cables mini-octopus that neatly connects all of these, achieving exactly the same functionwith the RemoteRig that I get, but with more appealing cables, fewer of them than I have, and you don't have to move mic and phones. Helped a new remote user set up his K3/0-RemoteRig a couple of weeks ago. Worked fine. What am I missing? 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 3:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and > internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then > less cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I > know. Wish it were. > > Jim Rhodes > K0XU > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 14 14:56:09 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:56:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> Message-ID: <479d0e0d-5442-d5b4-6e92-42df81842f87@foothill.net> Yes, exactly. Elecraft provides [for a small charge] a cable adapter that neatly connects the RemoteRig to the K3s or K3/0 via the USB port. Your micand headphones go into the K3s or K3/0 giving you all the options of front/back panel, bias on/off from the menu, etc.To operate locally from the control site, just pull the USB connector from the RemoteRig box. With a K3 as control, as I have, the RemoteRig connects to the K3 RS-232 CAT port, and when operating remote, the mic and phones go to the RRC box. For local operation on my HOA Stealth ant, I have to disconnect the CAT port and move the mic and phones to the K3. The K3 internal keyer only works locally. So, not *all* the cablingand plugging/unplugging goes away with a K3s or K3/0, but much of it does, what is left is fairly esthetic [if you're into artful cables], and the functions in the K3s or K3/0 all work normally, remote or local. Almost enough to prompt me to upgrade to a K3s. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 8:19 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting > from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with > RemoteRig. > > I'll keep looking... > > 73 > > jim ab3cv > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 14 15:05:48 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1cca0409-b395-a525-62a6-e658cedbb922@foothill.net> Jim, just disconnect and reconnect each USB cable while watching the COM ports in Device Mangler. You'll see the port disappear and then reappear. FWIW: I never had any problems with Prolific USB-Serial chipsets until Win10 graciously installed itself in the middle of the night without asking. Turns out, there are several generations of Prolific chipsets, and there are no Win10 drivers for a couple of the oldest ones. I found an adapter with one of the more recent chipsets and it works fine. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 10:27 AM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: >> On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to Device Manager, Ports, selecting >> the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to Properties. >> There, on all of my USB connections, it says "Manufacturer: FTDI". Hope >> that will help. > Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could > be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. Because there are > two COM ports not associated with the microHAM device (the generic > "USB" and the one that has a Silicon Labs driver), I guess I have to > assume that the generic USB COM port is the one that the K3 needs. > I'll see what type of device it is, and if I can find the right driver > for it. > > - Jim > From rick at tavan.com Mon Aug 14 15:41:13 2017 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:41:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> References: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> Message-ID: Teamviewer and similar are remote desktop tools that are indeed useful for controlling automation when the user interface application can not be run at the control site. However, like Fred says, these tools are awkward. I try to minimize their use. There are two mitigating techniques: 1. My favorite is control applications that can run as a client/server pair. In particular, KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote, and PstRotatorAz all have excellent client/server characteristics. When you do it this way, you have full freedom in moving, sizing, and configuring the appearance of automation control application windows at the control site. It does, however, require a computer at the remote radio site. 2. If a control application doesn't support client/server operation, it may still be usable at the control site through the use of remote serial ports. These are hardware boxes (or naked boards!) installed at the radio site that connect to the controlled device through a serial port or USB equivalent and to the Internet. At the control site, software makes the device appear as a local, virtual serial port. This technique can also be used with the above-mentioned apps that do support c/s even if you don't have a server computer at the radio site. I don't use this technique (yet) but have seen it work in others' remote control systems. 73, /Rick N6XI On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > > Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation, > including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500. > Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 takes > input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also > connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track the > radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, but > believe me, it is non-trivial. > > Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the screen > or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you > need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse. > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Aug 14 15:44:27 2017 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:44:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <479d0e0d-5442-d5b4-6e92-42df81842f87@foothill.net> References: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> <479d0e0d-5442-d5b4-6e92-42df81842f87@foothill.net> Message-ID: All good until you try to use the P3 locally. Then cabling turns into spaghetti again. We'll not exactly spaghetti but less orderly. Spoiled by local K3S/P3. ;-) jim ab3cv On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Yes, exactly. Elecraft provides [for a small charge] a cable adapter that > neatly connects the RemoteRig to the K3s or K3/0 via the USB port. Your > micand headphones go into the K3s or K3/0 giving you all the options of > front/back panel, bias on/off from the menu, etc.To operate locally from > the control site, just pull the USB connector from the RemoteRig box. > > With a K3 as control, as I have, the RemoteRig connects to the K3 RS-232 > CAT port, and when operating remote, the mic and phones go to the RRC box. > For local operation on my HOA Stealth ant, I have to disconnect the CAT > port and move the mic and phones to the K3. The K3 internal keyer only > works locally. > > So, not *all* the cablingand plugging/unplugging goes away with a K3s or > K3/0, but much of it does, what is left is fairly esthetic [if you're into > artful cables], and the functions in the K3s or K3/0 all work normally, > remote or local. Almost enough to prompt me to upgrade to a K3s. > > 73, > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/14/2017 8:19 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting >> from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with RemoteRig. >> >> I'll keep looking... >> >> 73 >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From rick at tavan.com Mon Aug 14 15:48:38 2017 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:48:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <7cf08d04-b6af-4f86-54e7-2756fbd35d3d@foothill.net> References: <3d91fe3e-3d60-b830-6510-b750afae2121@foothill.net> <7cf08d04-b6af-4f86-54e7-2756fbd35d3d@foothill.net> Message-ID: I don't think you're missing anything, Fred. You're describing what you do at the control site whereas much of the thread has concerned the radio site. There are differences that I alluded to in my long post but did not detail. At my control site I use an SO2R box to route mic, key, phones, and PTT lines either to the local K3 or to the Control RRC, which looks to the SO2R box like another radio. This eliminates cable swapping on the Control side. (I also use an SO2R box at the radio site for real SO2R when I'm there. I omitted that in my long post for simplicity. And, finally, my control site switching makes it theoretically possible to conduct SO2Q operation with active radios at two different QTHs! That isn't legal for any contest I know of but would sure be a lot of fun. I intend to try it when I free up some desk space at my control QTH!) 73, /Rick N6XI On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Now you've gone and confused me again. [:-) My control radio is a K3 [old, > S/N 642]. I have a9PDT data switch that switches the K3 serial RS-232 CAT > port from the RemoteRig [for remote operations] to my local computer [when > running from home]. The K3 requires that I connect the mic and headphones > to the RRC box for remote and to the K3 for local operation, which is > mildly annoying. > > The K3s and K3/0 [mini] provide an integrated USB connection, and Elecraft > provides a nifty one-cable-to-three-cables mini-octopus that neatly > connects all of these, achieving exactly the same functionwith the > RemoteRig that I get, but with more appealing cables, fewer of them than I > have, and you don't have to move mic and phones. Helped a new remote user > set up his K3/0-RemoteRig a couple of weeks ago. Worked fine. What am I > missing? > > 73, > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/14/2017 3:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > >> Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and >> internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less >> cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know. >> Wish it were. >> >> Jim Rhodes >> K0XU >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From eaopa at comcast.net Mon Aug 14 17:07:18 2017 From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:07:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-- Not turning off Message-ID: Recently rearranged the operating position in my shack. Now when operating JT65 or F8 I can activate transmit button but it "motorboats" when I try to turn it off. I need to hit the XMIT button to turn it off. I must have a cable in the wrong position. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks. Gene, W2BXR From madelyn at elecraft.com Mon Aug 14 18:43:05 2017 From: madelyn at elecraft.com (Madelyn Gomez) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:43:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help needed at Huntsville Trade show Message-ID: Hello Elecraft supporters. We are doing the Huntsville Hamfest this weekend (Aug 18, 19 and 20) in Huntsville, Alabama. We find ourselves in need of a few good volunteers. We could use help setting up on Friday. We could also use some technical support in the booth on Saturday and Sunday, any time that you have available. If you would like to volunteer please email me directly ( madelyn at elecraft.com) for the particulars. Thank you, Madelyn Gomez Elecraft Sales 125 Westridge Drive, Watsonville, CA. 831-763-4211 From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Aug 14 19:17:02 2017 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig and P3? Message-ID: Assuming I figure out how to transport the video (vga capture, webcam, etc) how does one connect a RemoteRig to a K3 via the serial port and still have a K3/P3 functioning connection? Has anyone done this? Thanks jim ab3cv From w1pef at myfairpoint.net Mon Aug 14 21:48:29 2017 From: w1pef at myfairpoint.net (W1PEF) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:48:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection Message-ID: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in protection? Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. Thanks for any advice... Paul W1PEF From john at kk9a.com Mon Aug 14 21:53:37 2017 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 Message-ID: <000901d31569$4fdd2a00$ef977e00$@com> Why doesn't he use the MicroHam device with the Elecraft transceiver? It works well for me. John KK9A Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: Mon Aug 14 12:27:20 EDT 2017 I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild the computer from scratch after a number of software problems developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 that we're having problems with. I have been referring to this page: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip set." How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I do not know what that is. Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C From pubx1 at af2z.net Tue Aug 15 00:07:36 2017 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> References: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <2961d632-ae05-b816-2269-eee37b5ff48e@af2z.net> Same situation here: small space and would like to try some low noise receive antennas. I recently bought an Array Solutions AS-RXFEP rf limiter to use on the RX Ant port of my K3. Haven't tried it yet but looks like it will do the job. 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/14/17 21:48, W1PEF wrote: > I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in protection? > Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. > Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. > Thanks for any advice... > Paul > W1PEF > > > From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Aug 15 00:10:14 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-- Not turning off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459F244C-A137-49AE-B4FD-68BDDB133896@widomaker.com> Make sure you only have ONE PTT operating. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Gene O wrote: > > Recently rearranged the operating position in my shack. Now when operating JT65 or F8 I can activate transmit button but it "motorboats" when I try to turn it off. I need to hit the XMIT button to turn it off. I must have a cable in the wrong position. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks. > Gene, W2BXR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From N9KY at arrl.net Tue Aug 15 09:16:11 2017 From: N9KY at arrl.net (Chuck Milam, N9KY) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:16:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <2961d632-ae05-b816-2269-eee37b5ff48e@af2z.net> References: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> <2961d632-ae05-b816-2269-eee37b5ff48e@af2z.net> Message-ID: Also, check out the DX Engineering Receiver Guard Electronic RF Limiters: https://www.dxengineering.com/search/part-type/hf-receive-antenna-system-devices/product-line/dx-engineering-receiver-guard-electronic-rf-limiters?autoview=SKU&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending --- Chuck Milam, N9KY N9KY at arrl.net On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > Same situation here: small space and would like to try some low noise > receive antennas. I recently bought an Array Solutions AS-RXFEP rf limiter > to use on the RX Ant port of my K3. Haven't tried it yet but looks like it > will do the job. > > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > > > On 08/14/17 21:48, W1PEF wrote: > >> I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned >> about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in >> protection? >> Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some >> recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. >> Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. >> Thanks for any advice... >> Paul >> W1PEF >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9ky at arrl.net > From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 15 10:03:59 2017 From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 07:03:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Help needed atTrade show Message-ID: <5DF451D1-A440-4E4A-9C02-E0804924734D@sbcglobal.net> Howdy it's Scott bastian Plz add me to the roster for the Torrance show! > On Aug 14, 2017, at 15:44, Madelyn Gomez [via Elecraft] wrote: > > Hello Elecraft supporters. > > We are doing the Huntsville Hamfest this weekend (Aug 18, 19 and 20) in > Huntsville, Alabama. We find ourselves in need of a few good volunteers. > > We could use help setting up on Friday. We could also use some technical > support in the booth on Saturday and Sunday, any time that you have > available. > > If you would like to volunteer please email me directly ( > [hidden email]) for the particulars. > > Thank you, > > Madelyn Gomez > Elecraft Sales > 125 Westridge Drive, Watsonville, CA. > 831-763-4211 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Help-needed-at-Huntsville-Trade-show-tp7633400.html > To unsubscribe from Elecraft, click here. > NAML ----- K3 #348 KX3 #2499 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-Help-needed-atTrade-show-tp7633407.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 15 10:01:17 2017 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:01:17 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: References: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> <2961d632-ae05-b816-2269-eee37b5ff48e@af2z.net> Message-ID: <000001d315ce$f7499fc0$e5dcdf40$@sbcglobal.net> Paul, I use several different receive antennas and use all the ones I am going to suggest. For your small lot, you didn't say how small, I would look at the Pixel loop, K9AY and RBOG. I have used these and they work. You can get all three from DX Engineering. >From ARRAY Solutions there is the Shared Apex Loop. It will take up about the same space as a K9AY. I have not used one of these so can't say personally how well it works, but people I know that have used them speak highly of this antenna. You have gotten two good suggestions for front end protection. I use the DX Engineering receiver guard model RG-5000. You don't need the RG-5000HD unless you're in a contest environment. Keep us posted on your progress. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Milam, N9KY Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:16 PM To: Elecraft Mail List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection Also, check out the DX Engineering Receiver Guard Electronic RF Limiters: https://www.dxengineering.com/search/part-type/hf-receive-antenna-system-dev ices/product-line/dx-engineering-receiver-guard-electronic-rf-limiters?autov iew=SKU&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending --- Chuck Milam, N9KY N9KY at arrl.net On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > Same situation here: small space and would like to try some low noise > receive antennas. I recently bought an Array Solutions AS-RXFEP rf > limiter to use on the RX Ant port of my K3. Haven't tried it yet but > looks like it will do the job. > > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > > > On 08/14/17 21:48, W1PEF wrote: > >> I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned >> about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have >> built-in protection? >> Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like >> some recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. >> Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. >> Thanks for any advice... >> Paul >> W1PEF >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n9ky at arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Aug 15 10:46:16 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 07:46:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] K3S High SWR Shutdown on FT8? In-Reply-To: <5b02fe35-9b0d-46cd-d1ee-5d825e2dc139@embarqmail.com> References: <1501420597963-7632849.post@n2.nabble.com> <5b02fe35-9b0d-46cd-d1ee-5d825e2dc139@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1502808376392-7633409.post@n2.nabble.com> That alarm turned out to be my USP - the sound was hard to track down as it's on the floor. The USP is a CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD which is giving an Overload alarm on typically the last TX of a QSO at 100W. The specs are Output 1500VA 900W. I'm curious why power consumption increases with each 15sec FT8 TX, when I have a SWR 1:1 with a SG-235 antenna coupler at the base of my 43ft Vertical. PA Temperature runs about 40-42C when the overload alarm goes off. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-K3S-High-SWR-Shutdown-on-FT8-tp7632849p7633409.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From john at kk9a.com Tue Aug 15 10:50:05 2017 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:50:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection Message-ID: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Great question! I asked the same thing once and never got an answer so to be safe I either short the RX antenna during transmit or if SO2R I use DXE receiver guards. It would be nice if the K3S had a similar built in protector. John KK9A W1PEF wrote Mon Aug 14 21:48:29 EDT 2017 I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in protection? Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. Thanks for any advice... Paul W1PEF From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 15 11:03:08 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 11:03:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <24c9a014-6710-a02b-3d09-1084ab73a097@embarqmail.com> John, The K3S does have protection on the RX ANT input. It is in the form of a COR (carrier operated relay) that will close in the presence of a high RF Field. While that protects the K3S, the relay clacking can be bothersome, so if you do hear that relay clacking, you may want to consider some form of external protection. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/15/2017 10:50 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Great question! I asked the same thing once and never got an answer so to > be safe I either short the RX antenna during transmit or if SO2R I use DXE > receiver guards. It would be nice if the K3S had a similar built in > protector. From no9e at arrl.net Tue Aug 15 11:07:23 2017 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:07:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <1502809643100-7633412.post@n2.nabble.com> If a receive antenna has a preamp, there no need to do any antenna guard since the preamp cannot destroy K3. I used K9AY, K7TJR 3 el array, and a Wellbrook loop close to transmit antennas. None was turned off during transmit. Both have preamps and nothing was damaged despite running a KW. Of all 3, K7TJR was the best by far. BTW, the RX ANT input in K3 is protected by a RF activated relay. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/RX-antenna-protection-tp7633402p7633412.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gerald.eberle at bluewin.ch Tue Aug 15 11:39:14 2017 From: gerald.eberle at bluewin.ch (Gerald Eberle) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:39:14 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Feature request Message-ID: Hello All My activ setup here consists of a KX3/KXPA100 with ATU and 2 antennas. Antenna 1 is a dipole fed with balun into twinlead and matched with the ATU, mainly used for the 6 - 30m band. Antenna 2 is a vertical (H-loop) with an SGC-Tuner at the base of the vertical, used mainly for 40 and 80m. The KXPA100 saves the last used antenna per band, but NOT the mode. The mode has to be changed by hand which is not very convinient for fast band switching, eg. in a contest. What I would like to have is that the antenna AND the ATU-Mode is saved per band. Will this be possible to implement in the firmware? Or have I something overseen in the manual? Thanks and 73, Gerald - HB9CEY From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Aug 15 11:59:04 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net> See page 63 of the manual. Also page 70 under Receive. "*HI RFI* warning:" RFI DET - *NOR *enables detection of high RFI at the antenna in receive mode. (see HI RFI warning. *Troubleshooting*). Set to OFF to disable the warning. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 8/15/2017 9:50 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Great question! I asked the same thing once and never got an answer so to > be safe I either short the RX antenna during transmit or if SO2R I use DXE > receiver guards. It would be nice if the K3S had a similar built in > protector. > > John KK9A > > W1PEF wrote > Mon Aug 14 21:48:29 EDT 2017 > > I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about > strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in > protection? > Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some > recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. > Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. > Thanks for any advice... > Paul > W1PEF > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Aug 15 12:58:50 2017 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:58:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net> References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com>, <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net> Message-ID: I haven?t been following this, and just noticed it, so I hope I am in sync with this. Just a note to say that years ago, I had a B&W Electronic Antenna Switch (I think it was called) that had one or two tubes in it. It worked perfectly to bias the receive completely and immediately as soon as transmit was detected. It allowed full break-in for CW work. I would like to see something like this again today in solid state. I think this would be the ticket for what you need. I haven?t looked, so I don?t know if anyone is marketing such a device. Rich, n0ce From: Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 11:00 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection See page 63 of the manual. Also page 70 under Receive. "*HI RFI* warning:" RFI DET - *NOR *enables detection of high RFI at the antenna in receive mode. (see HI RFI warning. *Troubleshooting*). Set to OFF to disable the warning. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 8/15/2017 9:50 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Great question! I asked the same thing once and never got an answer so to > be safe I either short the RX antenna during transmit or if SO2R I use DXE > receiver guards. It would be nice if the K3S had a similar built in > protector. > > John KK9A > > W1PEF wrote > Mon Aug 14 21:48:29 EDT 2017 > > I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about > strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in > protection? > Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some > recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. > Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. > Thanks for any advice... > Paul > W1PEF > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Aug 15 13:02:58 2017 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:02:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com>, <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net>, Message-ID: I just read Ignacy?s post telling that the K3 receive ant input has a RF activated relay. I?m glad to see that. Rich, n0ce From: Richard Fjeld Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:00 PM To: Bob McGraw K4TAX; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection I haven?t been following this, and just noticed it, so I hope I am in sync with this. Just a note to say that years ago, I had a B&W Electronic Antenna Switch (I think it was called) that had one or two tubes in it. It worked perfectly to bias the receive completely and immediately as soon as transmit was detected. It allowed full break-in for CW work. I would like to see something like this again today in solid state. I think this would be the ticket for what you need. I haven?t looked, so I don?t know if anyone is marketing such a device. Rich, n0ce From: Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 11:00 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection See page 63 of the manual. Also page 70 under Receive. "*HI RFI* warning:" RFI DET - *NOR *enables detection of high RFI at the antenna in receive mode. (see HI RFI warning. *Troubleshooting*). Set to OFF to disable the warning. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 8/15/2017 9:50 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Great question! I asked the same thing once and never got an answer so to > be safe I either short the RX antenna during transmit or if SO2R I use DXE > receiver guards. It would be nice if the K3S had a similar built in > protector. > > John KK9A > > W1PEF wrote > Mon Aug 14 21:48:29 EDT 2017 > > I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about > strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in > protection? > Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some > recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. > Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. > Thanks for any advice... > Paul > W1PEF > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com Tue Aug 15 14:06:08 2017 From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:06:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com>, <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net>, Message-ID: <59933810.29833.8DBB0C6@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> We have been operating this way with full break-in for many years using the KD9SV products. First it was just the "Front End Saver" which removes and grounds the incoming rcv antenna from your radio during transmit. As a "Fail Safe" the device also prevents the Amplifier from working by removing the PTT line to the amp if by any chance the relays in the KD9SV device fail to operate. Later it is now incorporated into the various RBOG and other Pre-Amp devices that KD9SV sells... through DX-Engineering. Disclaimer Statement: Yes I am a friend of Gary's. Call me a more than happy customer. I complained many years ago after I fried the front end of my IC-765 radios a couple times and Gary started building these devices. They Work and I am happy. No more blown front ends no more blown pre-amps. John k9uwa > Just a note to say that years ago, I had a B&W Electronic Antenna Switch (I > think it was called) that had one or two tubes in it. It worked perfectly to > bias the receive completely and immediately as soon as transmit was detected. > It allowed full break-in for CW work. I would like to see something like this > again today in solid state. I think this would be the ticket for what you need. > I havenTMt looked, so I donTMt know if anyone is marketing such a device. > > Rich, n0ce John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9uwa at arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 From -unknown- at sy-edm.com Tue Aug 15 14:46:42 2017 From: -unknown- at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:46:42 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <59933810.29833.8DBB0C6@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net> <59933810.29833.8DBB0C6@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: John, Very sound advice. I am using a Alpha Delta T33g50 that I picked up at HRO Denver, Co; The Red Pittaya antenna (Cobwebb) is 15 feet below the TH-7 which is emitting aprox 500W. It has survived for 12 months so far, which has amazed me. Regards Tim, A45WG > On Aug 15, 2017, at 10:06 PM, John K9UWA wrote: > > We have been operating this way with full break-in for many years using the > KD9SV products. First it was just the "Front End Saver" which removes and > grounds the incoming rcv antenna from your radio during transmit. As a "Fail > Safe" the device also prevents the Amplifier from working by removing the > PTT line to the amp if by any chance the relays in the KD9SV device fail to > operate. Later it is now incorporated into the various RBOG and other > Pre-Amp devices that KD9SV sells... through DX-Engineering. > > Disclaimer Statement: Yes I am a friend of Gary's. Call me a more than > happy customer. I complained many years ago after I fried the front end of > my IC-765 radios a couple times and Gary started building these devices. > They Work and I am happy. No more blown front ends no more blown > pre-amps. > > John k9uwa > >> Just a note to say that years ago, I had a B&W Electronic Antenna Switch (I >> think it was called) that had one or two tubes in it. It worked perfectly to >> bias the receive completely and immediately as soon as transmit was detected. >> It allowed full break-in for CW work. I would like to see something like this >> again today in solid state. I think this would be the ticket for what you need. >> I havenTMt looked, so I donTMt know if anyone is marketing such a device. >> >> Rich, n0ce > > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF > Antique Radio Restorations > k9uwa at arrl.net > Visit our Web Site at: > http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com > 4836 Ranch Road > Leo, IN 46765 > USA > 1-260-637-6426 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 15:53:40 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:53:40 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <000001d315ce$f7499fc0$e5dcdf40$@sbcglobal.net> References: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> <2961d632-ae05-b816-2269-eee37b5ff48e@af2z.net> <000001d315ce$f7499fc0$e5dcdf40$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <76F3F8AD-747A-4AB8-BABB-F4C75B95241D@gmail.com> I'm using a Pixel Loop. Advantages are that it is small, can be rotated to null a noise source, and works on all HF bands. It is vertically polarized, so if you have a horizontal antenna you can get a useful diversity effect without too much physical separation. It has a built in relay that disconnects it to protect your receiver while transmitting. I use diversity almost all the time, and it definitely improves copy of CW signals. Vic 4X6GP > On 15 Aug 2017, at 17:01, Mark E. Musick wrote: > > Paul, > I use several different receive antennas and use all the ones I am going to > suggest. > For your small lot, you didn't say how small, I would look at the Pixel > loop, K9AY and RBOG. > I have used these and they work. You can get all three from DX Engineering. > From ARRAY Solutions there is the Shared Apex Loop. It will take up about > the same space as a K9AY. I have not used one of these so can't say > personally how well it works, but people I know that have used them speak > highly of this antenna. > You have gotten two good suggestions for front end protection. I use the DX > Engineering receiver guard model RG-5000. You don't need the RG-5000HD > unless you're in a contest environment. > Keep us posted on your progress. > > 73, > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Milam, N9KY > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:16 PM > To: Elecraft Mail List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection > > Also, check out the DX Engineering Receiver Guard Electronic RF Limiters: > > > https://www.dxengineering.com/search/part-type/hf-receive-antenna-system-dev > ices/product-line/dx-engineering-receiver-guard-electronic-rf-limiters?autov > iew=SKU&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending > > --- > Chuck Milam, N9KY > N9KY at arrl.net > >> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: >> >> Same situation here: small space and would like to try some low noise >> receive antennas. I recently bought an Array Solutions AS-RXFEP rf >> limiter to use on the RX Ant port of my K3. Haven't tried it yet but >> looks like it will do the job. >> >> >> 73, >> Drew >> AF2Z >> >> >> >> >>> On 08/14/17 21:48, W1PEF wrote: >>> >>> I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned >>> about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have >>> built-in protection? >>> Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like >>> some recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. >>> Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. >>> Thanks for any advice... >>> Paul >>> W1PEF From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 15:59:06 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:59:06 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <1502809643100-7633412.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <1502809643100-7633412.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2DD57BFB-BC22-41A2-A3CF-2FD7FDFB1F27@gmail.com> I disagree. A good preamp like the DXE preamps can handle large signals and still be linear. That means they can output a lot of power. Do not assume you are safe if there is a preamp unless it is a lousy one! Vic 4X6GP > On 15 Aug 2017, at 18:07, Ignacy wrote: > > If a receive antenna has a preamp, there no need to do any antenna guard > since the preamp cannot destroy K3. > > I used K9AY, K7TJR 3 el array, and a Wellbrook loop close to transmit > antennas. None was turned off during transmit. Both have preamps and > nothing was damaged despite running a KW. Of all 3, K7TJR was the best by > far. > > BTW, the RX ANT input in K3 is protected by a RF activated relay. > > Ignacy, NO9E From k9ztv at socket.net Tue Aug 15 16:07:17 2017 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:07:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net> Message-ID: <17c4748d-0a99-dbf6-a3ac-078c9a877217@socket.net> The Johnson 250-39 and B&W 380 T/R switches both had a certain amount of "suck-out" but they did protect tube receivers. I had both (still do) and preferred the Johnson. http://wireless-girl.com/Projects/TRswitches/Johnson/ Note the warning about use with solid-state equipment, however. 73, Kent K9ZTV On 8/15/2017 11:58 AM, someone wrote: > Just a note to say that years ago, I had a B&W Electronic Antenna Switch (I think it was called) that had one or two tubes in it. > It worked perfectly to bias the receive completely and immediately as soon as transmit was detected. It allowed full break-in for CW work. I would like to see something like this again today in solid state. I think this would be the ticket for what you need. I haven?t looked, so I don?t know if anyone is marketing such a device. > > From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 15 16:10:25 2017 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Sensitivity Spec References: <2105420226.2332436.1502827826001.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2105420226.2332436.1502827826001@mail.yahoo.com> I'm just trying to evaluate if I have the gain distribution right for a K2 used as an IF for a 10 GHz transverter, through a 2 m transverter mounted inside the QRP top. The K2 manual gives a specification for the MDS but fails to define the bandwidth at which it is measured. Sherwood's receiver table lists some measured values at 500 Hz bandwidth but fails to note whether the preamp is on or off for these measurements. So I am not quite sure what the sensitivity should be. Can anyone clarify? 73, Steve VE3SMA From k4to at arrl.net Tue Aug 15 16:15:20 2017 From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <17c4748d-0a99-dbf6-a3ac-078c9a877217@socket.net> References: <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <890d28dc-00a7-8167-81e1-657345d424cd@blomand.net> <17c4748d-0a99-dbf6-a3ac-078c9a877217@socket.net> Message-ID: <6F9D5020-836A-4CAF-A425-CFFDDCBB30B9@arrl.net> I had one once. It was a tremendous TVI generator?. K4TO > On Aug 15, 2017, at 4:07 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > > The Johnson 250-39 and B&W 380 T/R switches both had a certain amount of "suck-out" but they did protect tube receivers. > > I had both (still do) and preferred the Johnson. > > http://wireless-girl.com/Projects/TRswitches/Johnson/ > > Note the warning about use with solid-state equipment, however. > > 73, > > Kent K9ZTV > > > > On 8/15/2017 11:58 AM, someone wrote: >> Just a note to say that years ago, I had a B&W Electronic Antenna Switch (I think it was called) that had one or two tubes in it. >> It worked perfectly to bias the receive completely and immediately as soon as transmit was detected. It allowed full break-in for CW work. I would like to see something like this again today in solid state. I think this would be the ticket for what you need. I haven?t looked, so I don?t know if anyone is marketing such a device. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net From no9e at arrl.net Tue Aug 15 16:37:47 2017 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy Misztal) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection In-Reply-To: <2DD57BFB-BC22-41A2-A3CF-2FD7FDFB1F27@gmail.com> References: <80DBE844-E8EB-4FB6-8326-E41139AD3A4F@myfairpoint.net> <8cb8e339d3268f766edd490f38e8ee18.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <1502809643100-7633412.post@n2.nabble.com> <2DD57BFB-BC22-41A2-A3CF-2FD7FDFB1F27@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is my experience. Making a large-signal preamp is usually a waste of power since it is a mixer that is a limiting factor. I can believe that a device from DX Engineering can be poorly designed. Have NCC-2. Weighs like a tank but fragile like a baby. Ignacy, NO9E On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I disagree. A good preamp like the DXE preamps can handle large signals > and still be linear. That means they can output a lot of power. Do not > assume you are safe if there is a preamp unless it is a lousy one! > > Vic 4X6GP > > > On 15 Aug 2017, at 18:07, Ignacy wrote: > > > > If a receive antenna has a preamp, there no need to do any antenna guard > > since the preamp cannot destroy K3. > > > > I used K9AY, K7TJR 3 el array, and a Wellbrook loop close to transmit > > antennas. None was turned off during transmit. Both have preamps and > > nothing was damaged despite running a KW. Of all 3, K7TJR was the best > by > > far. > > > > BTW, the RX ANT input in K3 is protected by a RF activated relay. > > > > Ignacy, NO9E > From phil-z at comcast.net Tue Aug 15 17:21:12 2017 From: phil-z at comcast.net (Phillip Zminda) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rx antenna protection Message-ID: <7AE48C1C-3A80-438E-8247-E7F88D13C042@comcast.net> Paul, I have used a BOG, a Pixel Loop and a Wellbrook loop receiving antennas. The BOG was ok but signal levels were very low and it needed a preamp. The BOG needs a lot of tweaking and good grounds at both ends. K1FZ is the expert on BOGs and can provide a wealth of information as well as custom transformers. I used it one winter but didn?t want to leave in the yard when mowing season started. The Pixel loop worked fairly well but I sold it and got a Wellbrook ALA 1530, which I think has a cleaner design. The Wellbrook works quite well at reducing the noise level. The signal levels are lower but with much reduced noise. My loop rotor died and it?s in a fixed position but at about a 6 ft. height it doesn?t seem highly directional. I think the Wellbrook is still cheaper than the Pixel. Andrew Ikin at Wellbrook is very helpful in answering any questions about loop applications My receive antenna is far enough from the transmit antenna that I have never had any issues with the COR activating, even at 500 watts. Good luck with your choice. Phil N3ZP From n0nbd at outlook.com Tue Aug 15 18:53:46 2017 From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:53:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Question about my KX2 Message-ID: I have and love my KX2 serial number 855. Lately the ATU seems to be "turning loose of the setting" I usually can hit the tune button again and get it to tune. I use a doublet at 50 ft fed with 450 ohm line and a home brew balun/ Unun. I question the balun as when I ordered, the wrong cores came and I wound the balun which was supposed to be a 9:1. This may not be enough information but the manual has not offered me much as I have done some reading. Any thoughts out there? Does it need to go to California to be looked into? This is my first ATU. Thanks in advance de Paul Smith N0NBD Sent from Outlook From john at kk9a.com Tue Aug 15 19:47:04 2017 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:47:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection Message-ID: <007501d31620$ccebb400$66c31c00$@com> I am aware of the RFI warning however to me there is a huge difference between detecting RFI and protecting the expensive transceiver from RF damage. Apparently the K3S does both. John KK9A Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Tue Aug 15 11:59:04 EDT 2017 See page 63 of the manual. Also page 70 under Receive. "*HI RFI* warning:" RFI DET - *NOR *enables detection of high RFI at the antenna in receive mode. (see HI RFI warning. *Troubleshooting*). Set to OFF to disable the warning. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 8/15/2017 9:50 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Great question! I asked the same thing once and never got an answer so to > be safe I either short the RX antenna during transmit or if SO2R I use DXE > receiver guards. It would be nice if the K3S had a similar built in > protector. > > John KK9A From jjreisert at alum.mit.edu Tue Aug 15 19:57:00 2017 From: jjreisert at alum.mit.edu (Jim Reisert AD1C) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Problem solved! Apparently, the default FTDI driver that Windows 10 installs is from 2013 and just isn't good enough for this application. I installed the latest FTDI driver that the K3 web site pointed to and all is well now. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 20:03:58 2017 From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:03:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Question about my KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1502841838694-7633430.post@n2.nabble.com> Paul, eliminate some of the variables to isolate the problem: - Use a dummy load and step through the KX2 bands to be sure it can transmit directly into it. Use the TUNE button to get that done. Make sure the internal antenna tuner is set to BYP mode. - Then, add in the transmission line with the dummy load terminating it. Remove the hand-built balun to do this so you're testing the line only. - Then, add in the balun and retest on all bands but connect it directly to the KX2 and terminate the other end with a dummy load. This allows you to test it by itself. It better read 1:9 or 9:1 depending on how it is connected. - Lastly, add the transmission line and the balun together and then connect the dummy load to the output of it. Be sure you're stepping through all the bands when you do this, too. As you can see, isolating the items will help you determine where, if any, there's a problem. It isn't appropriate to jump to conclusion - yet - there's a problem with the KX2. Eliminate all that is known to work properly and you'll have your answer. Cheers, David -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Question-about-my-KX2-tp7633427p7633430.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 15 20:29:52 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:29:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Sensitivity Spec In-Reply-To: <2105420226.2332436.1502827826001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2105420226.2332436.1502827826001.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2105420226.2332436.1502827826001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <623d2ad8-f771-b75e-5365-58cc17813219@embarqmail.com> Steve, Typically, the receiver is limited by the noise floor, so the MDS will not change much whether the preamp is on or off. While the preamp will increase the strength of the signals, it also adds to the noise floor. Generally a transverter will have a low noise preamp with plenty of gain, so there is usually no advantage in running the transceiver with the preamp on. Use your ears while listening to a strong signal to see if you can detect overload of the receiver preamp - if so turn it off, but if there is no overload distortion, you can leave it on. Typical MDS measurements are made at 500 Hz. I typically do a quick test of the sensitivity of K2s that I repair. A -130dBm signal should be detectable above the receiver noise floor. For that test, I have observed that it makes little difference whether the preamp is on or off. So I would suggest you test whether strong signal performance is better with the preamp on or off. My wager is that you will choose to leave it off unless your transverter(s) have negative gain on RX. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/15/2017 4:10 PM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft wrote: > I'm just trying to evaluate if I have the gain distribution right for a K2 used as an IF for a 10 GHz transverter, through a 2 m transverter mounted inside the QRP top. The K2 manual gives a specification for the MDS but fails to define the bandwidth at which it is measured. Sherwood's receiver table lists some measured values at 500 Hz bandwidth but fails to note whether the preamp is on or off for these measurements. So I am not quite sure what the sensitivity should be. From huntinhmb at coastside.net Tue Aug 15 20:44:23 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Question about my KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most 9:1 designs are UNUNs - unbalanced to unbalanced. For feeding a window line fed doublet, you definitely want a BALUN - balanced to unbalanced. The doublet / window line is a balanced system. The output connector on the KX2 is unbalanced. If you are using an UNUN in this setup you you may be getting RF on the KX2 case which, when you touch it, may cause the tuner to do what you are seeing. The Elecraft BL2 is a great solution for this application since you can choose either 1:1 or 4:1 to see which one makes the ATU the happiest. Or you can roll your own but it needs to be a BALUN. GL & 73, Brian, K0DTJ From n0nbd at outlook.com Tue Aug 15 20:52:08 2017 From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 00:52:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Question about my KX2 In-Reply-To: <1502841838694-7633430.post@n2.nabble.com> References: , <1502841838694-7633430.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Ok Thanks for the things to check. I will do this in the morning. Thanks Paul Smith N0NBD Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of David Shoaf Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:03 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question about my KX2 Paul, eliminate some of the variables to isolate the problem: - Use a dummy load and step through the KX2 bands to be sure it can transmit directly into it. Use the TUNE button to get that done. Make sure the internal antenna tuner is set to BYP mode. - Then, add in the transmission line with the dummy load terminating it. Remove the hand-built balun to do this so you're testing the line only. - Then, add in the balun and retest on all bands but connect it directly to the KX2 and terminate the other end with a dummy load. This allows you to test it by itself. It better read 1:9 or 9:1 depending on how it is connected. - Lastly, add the transmission line and the balun together and then connect the dummy load to the output of it. Be sure you're stepping through all the bands when you do this, too. As you can see, isolating the items will help you determine where, if any, there's a problem. It isn't appropriate to jump to conclusion - yet - there's a problem with the KX2. Eliminate all that is known to work properly and you'll have your answer. Cheers, David -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Question-about-my-KX2-tp7633427p7633430.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n0nbd at outlook.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 15 22:19:21 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Question about my KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91321db5-2801-2019-30e3-c8c04d3078b1@embarqmail.com> Paul, I suspect you have an antenna system problem rather than a KX2 problem. Operate the KX2 into a dummy load as David Shoaf has suggested to verify that it is working as expected. The fact that your doublet is fed with "450 ohm" parallel transmission line does not mean that you will be feeding 450 ohms. The characteristic impedance of the feedline and the impedance to be matched at the shack end depends NOT on the feedline characteristic impedance, but the length of the feedline and the impedance presented at the antenna. That will change from band to band. It can range from a very low impedance to a high impedance. There are a lot of variables such as the length of your doublet, the length of the feedline, and the frequency. As has been said, most 9:1 transformers are Ununs (autotransformers) and not a balun at all. A proper balun would better be termed a common mode choke which will minimize the common mode RF on the coax. Place it at the junction of the parallel feedline and the coax coming into the shack. I would suggest the Elecraft BL2 which is switchable between a 1:1 and a 4:1 configuration. Use whichever setting gives the least "tuning activity" to the ATU. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/15/2017 6:53 PM, Paul Smith wrote: > I have and love my KX2 serial number 855. Lately the ATU seems to be "turning loose of the setting" I usually can hit the tune button again and get it to tune. I use a doublet at 50 ft fed with 450 ohm line and a home brew balun/ Unun. I question the balun as when I ordered, the wrong cores came and I wound the balun which was supposed to be a 9:1. > From k2dt at arrl.net Tue Aug 15 23:34:51 2017 From: k2dt at arrl.net (Wayne Carlson, K2DT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:34:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KXV3 Message-ID: <00cc01d31640$9f40d2e0$ddc278a0$@net> Has anyone who upgraded to a newer version have an old KXV3 for sale cheap? I just want to get the IF out. If I can't find a cheap card I'll end up building a cable to do the same. Tnx & 73, Wayne K2DT From G0ORH at sky.com Wed Aug 16 02:45:55 2017 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:45:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Rx antenna protection In-Reply-To: <7AE48C1C-3A80-438E-8247-E7F88D13C042@comcast.net> References: <7AE48C1C-3A80-438E-8247-E7F88D13C042@comcast.net> Message-ID: <39A7E6EC-A734-45C7-B4BC-3140377394C2@sky.com> DXE ARAV3-1P - DXE RG 5000HD. I've ordered a DXE ARAVS-1P Receive antenna, and DXE RG 5000HD front end protector from USA, I'm building a CW skimmer project in a small ...ish back yard with close by transmitting antennas etc, my investment should ! Fit the bill nicely.....I hope. Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 15 Aug 2017, at 22:21, Phillip Zminda wrote: > > Paul, > > I have used a BOG, a Pixel Loop and a Wellbrook loop receiving antennas. The BOG was ok but signal levels were very low and it needed a preamp. The BOG needs a lot of tweaking and good grounds at both ends. K1FZ is the expert on BOGs and can provide a wealth of information as well as custom transformers. I used it one winter but didn?t want to leave in the yard when mowing season started. The Pixel loop worked fairly well but I sold it and got a Wellbrook ALA 1530, which I think has a cleaner design. The Wellbrook works quite well at reducing the noise level. The signal levels are lower but with much reduced noise. My loop rotor died and it?s in a fixed position but at about a 6 ft. height it doesn?t seem highly directional. I think the Wellbrook is still cheaper than the Pixel. Andrew Ikin at Wellbrook is very helpful in answering any questions about loop applications > > My receive antenna is far enough from the transmit antenna that I have never had any issues with the COR activating, even at 500 watts. > > Good luck with your choice. > > Phil > N3ZP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From n6tv at arrl.net Wed Aug 16 07:05:40 2017 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 04:05:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Update on the Y-BOX breakout box / ACC splitter for the K3 and K3S Message-ID: To review, the Y-BOX is a flexible 1x4 splitter and breakout box designed to make it easier to connect multiple devices in parallel to the accessory port of an Elecraft K3 or K3S (or to any device with a DE-15 connector, including ACOM amps, the FlexRadio Flex-6000 series, and the 4O3A Antenna Genius). I've just updated the Y-BOX web site with new photos and a new connection diagram, here: https://bit.ly/Y-BOX A limited quantity of Y-BOXs and DE-15 cables are now in stock and available for immediate shipment. Note that all new Y-BOXs have chrome-plated RCA connectors (my supplier ran out of the gold-plated ones), but I currently have *one* Y-BOX left that uses the original gold-plated connectors, similar to the one pictured here: http://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/Y-BOX/Photos/N4300960.JPG . This "original gold" Y-BOX was returned in exchange for a custom Antenna Genius interface (more about that later). As a refurbished Y-BOX, lightly used, I'm offering this "last of its kind" Y-BOX for sale (one only), first come, first served, for $129. Please use the standard order form on the Y-BOX web site to order. Please indicate in the comment box at the bottom of the order form if you're only interested in the refurbished "gold" one for the lower price, or if you'll also accept a brand new Y-BOX (chrome) for the regular price, if someone beats you to it. Thank you! 73, Bob, N6TV From N3ND at aol.com Wed Aug 16 08:50:42 2017 From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 08:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 and Elad S2 Message-ID: <3ce5433f-b1e8-31ea-9a00-979401305643@aol.com> Has anyone successfully installed Win4K3 + an Elad FDM-S2 for spectrum control? 73, Dan From ae4rm at ae4rm.com Wed Aug 16 09:01:06 2017 From: ae4rm at ae4rm.com (Roger Meadows) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:01:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Lag Message-ID: I recently got a KXPA100. Ever since I hooked it up I noticed that the PX3 marker no longer moves "smooth." It will move across the screen smooth for a bit, lag behind in frequency, then jump to where it should be and then continue. I thought it was a fluke at first but it does it quite constantly. If I take the KXPA out of the loop, like when I go remote/QRP I do not see this issue. Another person with the same setup posted the same issue on the Yahoo group. Is this normal, something I should be concerned about, something Elecraft is aware of? Thanks for your help. 73, Roger AE4RM Lakeland, FL -- 73, Roger Meadows AE4RM From nk8sradio at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 09:20:53 2017 From: nk8sradio at gmail.com (Mike Fishman NK8S) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 09:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB - KXAT2 Message-ID: <1891980227.20170816092053@gmail.com> Seeking ATU (KXAT2) board for my KX2. Anyone have one they can part with? Very 73, Mike NK8S Nasty Kharybdis 8 Sailors FISTS #17907 NAQCC #8554 SKCC #15862T? From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 09:58:36 2017 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:58:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 and Elad S2 In-Reply-To: <3ce5433f-b1e8-31ea-9a00-979401305643@aol.com> References: <3ce5433f-b1e8-31ea-9a00-979401305643@aol.com> Message-ID: I don't believe the Elad is supported... I would ask Tom via the support email listed on the Win4K3 website, he is very responsive. mg NG7M On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Dan Atchison via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Has anyone successfully installed Win4K3 + an Elad FDM-S2 for spectrum > control? > > 73, > Dan > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.matthew.george at gmail.com > -- M. George From gerald.eberle at bluewin.ch Wed Aug 16 11:22:21 2017 From: gerald.eberle at bluewin.ch (Gerald Eberle) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:22:21 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Feature request Message-ID: In addition to my previous post? If ATU-Mod is saved per Antenna, then one could switch, and compare instantly the results, eg. antenna 1 with or without internal tuner, and antenna 2 directly connected or with external tuner, on the same band. 73, Gerald - HB9CEY Hello All My activ setup here consists of a KX3/KXPA100 with ATU and 2 antennas. Antenna 1 is a dipole fed with balun into twinlead and matched with the ATU, mainly used for the 6 - 30m band. Antenna 2 is a vertical (H-loop) with an SGC-Tuner at the base of the vertical, used mainly for 40 and 80m. The KXPA100 saves the last used antenna per band, but NOT the mode. The mode has to be changed by hand which is not very convinient for fast band switching, eg. in a contest. What I would like to have is that the antenna AND the ATU-Mode is saved per band. Will this be possible to implement in the firmware? Or have I something overseen in the manual? Thanks and 73, Gerald - HB9CEY From eaopa at comcast.net Wed Aug 16 12:27:51 2017 From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:27:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working in DATA-A mode Message-ID: <9ef15c56-ce05-f1d0-f3b3-3a2183b51982@comcast.net> K3 -- While in Data-A mode, I press the XMIT button and the unit does not transmit fully. It sort of goes into oscillation is the best I can describe it. I am transmitting into a dummy load at about 20 watts. I first noticed this while using WJST F8. At that time I thought this was feed back since I rearranged my shack somewhat. Has any had this problem? Thanks. Gene, W2BXR From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Aug 16 13:14:04 2017 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:14:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Lag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1502903644385-7633444.post@n2.nabble.com> If I remember correctly this is the result of loading on the serial data port. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Lag-tp7633439p7633444.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Wed Aug 16 14:01:57 2017 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Sensitivity Spec References: <1122135791.3077810.1502906517770.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1122135791.3077810.1502906517770@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for your comments, Don. When you test K2's, can I assume you have the signal generator connected directly to the K2 (or through an attenuator) with no antenna connected? Normally, one might hope that a preamp would provide some improvement in receiver noise figure (and hence MDS, sensitivity, noise floor), or there isn't much point in having it. I've never run into an intermodulation or blocking problem on 10 GHz (sideband noise issues tend to dominate the *rare* strong signal scenario) so I expect to leave the K2 preamp on in an attempt to maximize the sensitivity I agree that most often transverters have lots of gain but I noticed, with the particular combination I have, that the increase in receiver noise output resulting from turning on both the 10 GHz-to-144 MHz and the 144 MHz-to-28 MHz transverters was only about 7 dB (K2 preamp on, AGC off) compared to the K2 alone, rather less than usually seems to be the case, so I was afraid that the front end noise might not dominate the overall receiver noise. The intermediate transverter does have relatively low gain, by design. With a couple of tweaks and a minor repair in the transverters I've now increased this ratio by a couple of dB. Since the 10 GHz transverter noise figure was measured by the manufacturer at 1.2 dB and the K2 is something closer to 10 dB the increase in noise may not have to be all that much for the system to be working right. I haven't felt up to doing all the necessary math this week to make sure, especially without a reliable number for the K2 noise figure. Most likely I'll try it out in the 10 GHz and Up contest this weekend and if it proves to be deaf compared to others' rigs, I'll have to delve deeper. 73, Steve VE3SMA -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/15/17, Don Wilhelm wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Sensitivity Spec To: "Steve Kavanagh" , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Received: Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 8:29 PM Steve, Typically, the receiver is limited by the noise floor, so the MDS will not change much whether the preamp is on or off.? While the preamp will increase the strength of the signals, it also adds to the noise floor. Generally a transverter will have a low noise preamp with plenty of gain, so there is usually no advantage in running the transceiver with the preamp on.? Use your ears while listening to a strong signal to see if you can detect overload of the receiver preamp - if so turn it off, but if there is no overload distortion, you can leave it on. Typical MDS measurements are made at 500 Hz. I typically do a quick test of the sensitivity of K2s that I repair.? A -130dBm signal should be detectable above the receiver noise floor.? For that test, I have observed that it makes little difference whether the preamp is on or off.? So I would suggest you test whether strong signal performance is better with the preamp on or off.? My wager is that you will choose to leave it off unless your transverter(s) have negative gain on RX. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/15/2017 4:10 PM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft wrote: > I'm just trying to evaluate if I have the gain distribution right for a K2 used as an IF for a 10 GHz transverter, through a 2 m transverter mounted inside the QRP top.? The K2 manual gives a specification for the MDS but fails to define the bandwidth at which it is measured.? Sherwood's receiver table lists some measured values at 500 Hz bandwidth but fails to note whether the preamp is on or off for these measurements.? So I am not quite sure what the sensitivity should be. From lists at subich.com Wed Aug 16 14:08:57 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 14:08:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working in DATA-A mode In-Reply-To: <9ef15c56-ce05-f1d0-f3b3-3a2183b51982@comcast.net> References: <9ef15c56-ce05-f1d0-f3b3-3a2183b51982@comcast.net> Message-ID: <35e9dcf3-9ce0-6217-f252-f5ff33847497@subich.com> On 8/16/2017 12:27 PM, Gene O wrote: > K3 -- While in Data-A mode, I press the XMIT button and the unit does > not transmit fully. Is the K3 in SPLIT? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/16/2017 12:27 PM, Gene O wrote: > K3 -- While in Data-A mode, I press the XMIT button and the unit does > not transmit fully. It sort of goes into oscillation is the best I can > describe it. I am transmitting into a dummy load at about 20 watts. > > I first noticed this while using WJST F8. At that time I thought this > was feed back since I rearranged my shack somewhat. > > Has any had this problem? > > Thanks. Gene, W2BXR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n9aa at arrl.net Wed Aug 16 18:25:10 2017 From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:25:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Camino de Santiago portable operation from Spain Message-ID: <3f5b2546-25b2-dbd2-6d79-dbea5ec5a2d8@arrl.net> Hi Elecrafters, I'm not sure this is the right place for this, and if not, maybe some of you can point me in the right direction for a more suitable place to post, but I did talk to Wayne about this at Dayton this year. My wife and I are going to do another leg of the Camino de Santiago next year and I'm thinking of taking a portable HF rig, like the KX2 or KX3, with me to operate while we walk. For those of you not familiar, the Camino de Santiago is a pilgrimage route in northern Spain that people have been walking since at least 812AD, and probably before that. These days, people from all walks of life like to take on the challenge of walking anywhere from 100 to 800 km. We walked 100 or so miles last year and I thought it'd be cool to take a rig along and operate during stops along the way next time we went. My first question question is have any of you done a portable operation similar to this and do you have any pointers? Secondly, do you think there'd be any interest in this operation? Spain's not rare (we'd mostly be in EA1), so I'm wondering if there would be many amateurs interested in simply working the Camino for a commemorative QSL. We're walking, so it's by necessity going to be QRP, so no big sigs and it might be a challenge on both ends to work me. Any tips will be appreciated, including operating/antenna tips, advice on operating in Spain or even advice on the right forum to pose the question. Thanks in advance and 73! Scott N9AA From psaffren at elecraft.com Wed Aug 16 18:30:25 2017 From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:30:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Lag In-Reply-To: <1502911153723-7633447.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502911153723-7633447.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1502922625531-7633449.post@n2.nabble.com> I haven't verified this, but one thing you might try is to turn PA MODE to OFF on the KX3. You'll then need to turn on/off the KXPA100 manually since the KX3 will no longer be pinging the KXPA100. This should eliminate the cursor/marker lag on the PX3. Kindly, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Lag-tp7633439p7633449.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Aug 16 19:07:35 2017 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 23:07:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Display OTS - Request Advice . . . . . Message-ID: <5761AE90-7883-4C6A-BF97-2F232D3DB9C9@law.du.edu> The display on my K2 (S/N 7637) just quit. The backlight is on, but not a single digit component appears. The rig has been working FB for over a year. Used it today as the alignment receiver for another K2 being built. All was fine when that process started, both rigs worked as they should, and then the display on 7637 just went blank. Illuminated, but blank.. Hard to tell if anything else was affected since without any display information at all I don?t know what the rig is doing or what mode it?s in. Any suggestions about where I should start? Thanks, as always . . . Ted, KN1CBR From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 19:09:25 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:09:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Puzzling packages Message-ID: Hi Gang! I have two anti-static bags from Elecraft, both labeled "E850235 K3 Digital IO PCB Assm". One package is marked in red pen "Old" and the board in the package is marked "K103 REMOTE I/O MODULE Rev B". The other package is labeled identically, except W/O the handwritten "OLD". The board in this package is marked "K103 REMOTE I/O MODULE Rev XD". Can anyone shed light on what I have? My K3 is old, S/N 56 but has been factory upgraded to what I think is as far as possible ... a K3+(?). Thanks for any help ... 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP From kstover at ac0h.net Wed Aug 16 20:13:55 2017 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:13:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Message-ID: <394a2909-c204-b449-2005-88ea115effa4@ac0h.net> Test -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 ARRL From serussell at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 21:59:27 2017 From: serussell at gmail.com (Scott Russell) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:59:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Lag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1502935167395-7633453.post@n2.nabble.com> Roger, I found this same issue when I added the KXPA100 back in the March timeframe. I posted here on the Elecraft list and shortly started an email dialog with Paul, one of Elecrafts Senior Software Engineers. After some testing it was determined that they could re-create the problem and that a fix would be in the works. I've since contacted them back several times for an update and as of this time, nothing has been done. Maybe now that others are seeing the issue it will get addressed a bit faster. Lets hope. Scott N1SER -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Lag-tp7633439p7633453.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 16 22:37:47 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Display OTS - Request Advice . . . . . In-Reply-To: <5761AE90-7883-4C6A-BF97-2F232D3DB9C9@law.du.edu> References: <5761AE90-7883-4C6A-BF97-2F232D3DB9C9@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <322c66f4-c5e9-dd0d-c904-2f521aaa20fc@embarqmail.com> Ted, A blank display is quite unusual. Does "Elecraft" display when the K2 is powered on? First check the DC voltage at the anodes of D6 and D7. In receive D6 should be near 8 volts while D7 anode should be near zero volts. If there is voltage at the anode of D7, the K2 is going into transmit. It may be that there is a bad solder connection somewhere causing the display problem. That could be on any of the K2 boards. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/16/2017 7:07 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > The display on my K2 (S/N 7637) just quit. The backlight is on, but not a single digit component appears. > > The rig has been working FB for over a year. Used it today as the alignment receiver for another K2 being built. All was fine when that process started, both rigs worked as they should, and then the display on 7637 just went blank. Illuminated, but blank.. > > Hard to tell if anything else was affected since without any display information at all I don?t know what the rig is doing or what mode it?s in. From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 16 23:43:51 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:43:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Lag In-Reply-To: <1502935167395-7633453.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1502935167395-7633453.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <881D4409-D3F0-4B43-B379-F91CF19EA377@elecraft.com> Scott, This is definitely a bug, and it?s in my court. Sorry for not responding sooner. I?ll be working on it when I get back from vacation in about a week. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Scott Russell wrote: > > Roger, > > I found this same issue when I added the KXPA100 back in the March > timeframe. I posted here on the Elecraft list and shortly started an email > dialog with Paul, one of Elecrafts Senior Software Engineers. After some > testing it was determined that they could re-create the problem and that a > fix would be in the works. I've since contacted them back several times for > an update and as of this time, nothing has been done. Maybe now that others > are seeing the issue it will get addressed a bit faster. Lets hope. > > Scott N1SER From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Aug 17 00:13:15 2017 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:13:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Sensitivity Spec Message-ID: <201708170413.v7H4DGkN031174@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Steve, I ran your parameters thru my NF program for three stages using: 1.2 dBNF of 1st stage with 17-dB gain (typical DEMI 10-GHz xvtr spec) followed by 0.1 dB cable loss 1.0 dBNF 2nd stage which nominal for a 144-MHz xvtr and used 10-dB gain followed by0.1 dB cable loss K2 10-dBNF Bw = 500 Hz MDS = -151.2 dBm change gain of 2nd stage to 15-dB results in MDS = -151.4 dBm so 10-dB gain is sufficient The K2 with 10-dBNF has MDS = 137.3 dBm Thus you should see 13.9 dB increase in sensitivity (MDS). But since sky noise temperature at 10-GHz is typ 10K not sure how much noise rise will be seen. At 2m Tsky is about 250K (in a perfectly quiet environ) so same system looking at the 2m sky has MDS = -146.2 dBm At 10m Tsky is about 5,000K (guessing) and MDS = -134.5 dBm Obviously the K2 10-dBNF is sufficient on 10m, assuming adequate system gain to drive the mixers. 73, Ed - KL7UW ----------------------------------- From: Steve Kavanagh To: , Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Sensitivity Spec Message-ID: <1122135791.3077810.1502906517770 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for your comments, Don. When you test K2's, can I assume you have the signal generator connected directly to the K2 (or through an attenuator) with no antenna connected? Normally, one might hope that a preamp would provide some improvement in receiver noise figure (and hence MDS, sensitivity, noise floor), or there isn't much point in having it. I've never run into an intermodulation or blocking problem on 10 GHz (sideband noise issues tend to dominate the *rare* strong signal scenario) so I expect to leave the K2 preamp on in an attempt to maximize the sensitivity I agree that most often transverters have lots of gain but I noticed, with the particular combination I have, that the increase in receiver noise output resulting from turning on both the 10 GHz-to-144 MHz and the 144 MHz-to-28 MHz transverters was only about 7 dB (K2 preamp on, AGC off) compared to the K2 alone, rather less than usually seems to be the case, so I was afraid that the front end noise might not dominate the overall receiver noise. The intermediate transverter does have relatively low gain, by design. With a couple of tweaks and a minor repair in the transverters I've now increased this ratio by a couple of dB. Since the 10 GHz transverter noise figure was measured by the manufacturer at 1.2 dB and the K2 is something closer to 10 dB the increase in noise may not have to be all that much for the system to be working right. I haven't felt up to doing all the necessary math this week to make sure, especially without a reliable number for the K2 noise figure. Most likely I'll try it out in the 10 GHz and Up contest this weekend and if it proves to be deaf compared to others' rigs, I'll have to delve deeper. 73, Steve VE3SMA -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/15/17, Don Wilhelm wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Sensitivity Spec To: "Steve Kavanagh" , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Received: Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 8:29 PM Steve, Typically, the receiver is limited by the noise floor, so the MDS will not change much whether the preamp is on or off.? While the preamp will increase the strength of the signals, it also adds to the noise floor. Generally a transverter will have a low noise preamp with plenty of gain, so there is usually no advantage in running the transceiver with the preamp on.? Use your ears while listening to a strong signal to see if you can detect overload of the receiver preamp - if so turn it off, but if there is no overload distortion, you can leave it on. Typical MDS measurements are made at 500 Hz. I typically do a quick test of the sensitivity of K2s that I repair.? A -130dBm signal should be detectable above the receiver noise floor.? For that test, I have observed that it makes little difference whether the preamp is on or off.? So I would suggest you test whether strong signal performance is better with the preamp on or off.? My wager is that you will choose to leave it off unless your transverter(s) have negative gain on RX. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From k2dt at arrl.net Thu Aug 17 01:15:13 2017 From: k2dt at arrl.net (Wayne Carlson, K2DT) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KXV3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005601d31717$cf590240$6e0b06c0$@net> Thanks to all who responded. A board will be on its way to me soon. 73, Wayne K2DT From ch at murgatroid.com Thu Aug 17 03:57:19 2017 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:57:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Display OTS - Request Advice . . . . . In-Reply-To: <5761AE90-7883-4C6A-BF97-2F232D3DB9C9@law.du.edu> References: <5761AE90-7883-4C6A-BF97-2F232D3DB9C9@law.du.edu> Message-ID: I have to wonder if you haven't run into the problem I had with my K3S about four weeks ago. Same symptoms. The cause was a shorted filter cap for the LCD bias on the display board. Details are in the mailing list archives. 73 de AI6KG On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > The display on my K2 (S/N 7637) just quit. The backlight is on, but not a > single digit component appears. > > The rig has been working FB for over a year. Used it today as the > alignment receiver for another K2 being built. All was fine when that > process started, both rigs worked as they should, and then the display on > 7637 just went blank. Illuminated, but blank.. > > Hard to tell if anything else was affected since without any display > information at all I don?t know what the rig is doing or what mode it?s in. > > Any suggestions about where I should start? > > Thanks, as always . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com From no9e at arrl.net Thu Aug 17 10:38:02 2017 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 07:38:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Camino de Santiago portable operation from Spain In-Reply-To: <3f5b2546-25b2-dbd2-6d79-dbea5ec5a2d8@arrl.net> References: <3f5b2546-25b2-dbd2-6d79-dbea5ec5a2d8@arrl.net> Message-ID: <1502980682926-7633460.post@n2.nabble.com> That would be lots of fun. But hamming is for your own satisfaction. Walking with weight is an issue so KX2 is better. I would take wires and perhaps a small collapsible pole. E.g., a 17ft pole that collapses to 1.5 ft and weighs 4 oz. Years ago I hiked Pico de Europa in EA1 not far away from the trail and made a few CW contacts with KX1 by spreading antenna wires on rocks. KX1 is light but only 2 W. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Camino-de-Santiago-portable-operation-from-Spain-tp7633448p7633460.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 17 10:58:06 2017 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 15:58:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Camino de Santiago portable operation from Spain In-Reply-To: <1502980682926-7633460.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <3f5b2546-25b2-dbd2-6d79-dbea5ec5a2d8@arrl.net> <1502980682926-7633460.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4031B4FDAF984B638101B067136B60EB@DavidPC> I worked from southern Spain back to GD with a KX1 running 4W from a pocket battery pack using a 9m fishing pole and an "offset Y" 20m dipole made from tv twin right into the banana splitter. For trekking long distances I would go for a much smaller and lighter weight pole and an easier aerial to put up. It's how you carry poles that make it manageable or just a pain. On 20m you can run flat twin with little loss and it's easy to fold up into your pocket. David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignacy" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Camino de Santiago portable operation from Spain > That would be lots of fun. But hamming is for your own satisfaction. > > Walking with weight is an issue so KX2 is better. I would take wires and > perhaps a small collapsible pole. E.g., a 17ft pole that collapses to 1.5 > ft > and weighs 4 oz. > > Years ago I hiked Pico de Europa in EA1 not far away from the trail and > made > a few CW contacts with KX1 by spreading antenna wires on rocks. KX1 is > light > but only 2 W. > > Ignacy, NO9E From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 17 12:17:23 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:17:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Message-ID: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. 73, Wayne N6KR From kz5d at aol.com Thu Aug 17 12:18:29 2017 From: kz5d at aol.com (Art) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 12:18:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XG-2 For Sale Message-ID: <15df0fd2609-14dc-2217c@webprd-a14.mail.aol.com> I have a very nearly new XG-2 for sale for $45. If interested, please email direct: kz5d at aol.com 73, Art KZ5D From wfenech at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 12:53:09 2017 From: wfenech at gmail.com (Bill Fenech) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:53:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I flew to Portland yesterday from the bay area. We'll be in Albany. Mt Jefferson (one of the taller peaks in the Cascades) is right in the middle of the Path of Totality. don't know the coverage area of the repeaters referenced in the link, it may not be that widespread if info in the link is any indication but perhaps worth a listen: http://www.lcsaro.org/eclipse-response/ 73 Bill AI6JZ On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my > family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday > (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, > right in the Path of Totality. > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s > roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. > Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food > and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. > Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people > camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or > reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very > we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us > will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power > or cell service. > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for > this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily > west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional > coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by > VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion > internal battery packs. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com From wfenech at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 12:54:39 2017 From: wfenech at gmail.com (Bill Fenech) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:54:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: This may not be Emcomm related but FYI: http://www.travelsalem.com/node/42564 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Bill Fenech wrote: > I flew to Portland yesterday from the bay area. We'll be in Albany. > > Mt Jefferson (one of the taller peaks in the Cascades) is right in the > middle of the Path of Totality. don't know the coverage area of the > repeaters referenced in the link, it may not be that widespread if info in > the link is any indication but perhaps worth a listen: > > http://www.lcsaro.org/eclipse-response/ > > 73 > Bill AI6JZ > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, >> my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on >> Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in >> Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. >> >> There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s >> roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. >> Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food >> and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. >> Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. >> >> The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people >> camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or >> reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very >> we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us >> will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power >> or cell service. >> >> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for >> this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). >> >> Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the >> daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of >> regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well >> served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of >> Li-ion internal battery packs. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com > > > From wfenech at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 13:03:26 2017 From: wfenech at gmail.com (Bill Fenech) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:03:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I'm hearing the Oregon Connection linked UHF system will be active during the Eclipse, looks like this has good coverage of the Hwy 5 Corridor: https://www.oregonconnection.net/repeaters/ On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Bill Fenech wrote: > This may not be Emcomm related but FYI: > > http://www.travelsalem.com/node/42564 > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Bill Fenech wrote: > >> I flew to Portland yesterday from the bay area. We'll be in Albany. >> >> Mt Jefferson (one of the taller peaks in the Cascades) is right in the >> middle of the Path of Totality. don't know the coverage area of the >> repeaters referenced in the link, it may not be that widespread if info in >> the link is any indication but perhaps worth a listen: >> >> http://www.lcsaro.org/eclipse-response/ >> >> 73 >> Bill AI6JZ >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >>> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, >>> my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on >>> Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in >>> Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. >>> >>> There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s >>> roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. >>> Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food >>> and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. >>> Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. >>> >>> The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million >>> people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call >>> home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio >>> may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately >>> many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to >>> loss of power or cell service. >>> >>> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for >>> this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). >>> >>> Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the >>> daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of >>> regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well >>> served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of >>> Li-ion internal battery packs. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com >> >> >> > From KY5G at montac.com Thu Aug 17 13:05:22 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 12:05:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 17 13:21:51 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:21:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: As is 60 meters.?? Most of our daytime frequencies in SE Asia were in the 5 MHz range.? Worked great from mainland to Philippines.? From info we got on our trip to PNW DXC in Spokane last weekend, the expectations for gridlock, both before and after the eclipse, are pretty high. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/17/2017 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. From wfenech at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 14:02:10 2017 From: wfenech at gmail.com (Bill Fenech) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> Message-ID: https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.bellsmith.3/videos/10208675848647902/ On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, > my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on > Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in > Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s > roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. > Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food > and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. > Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million > people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call > home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio > may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately > many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to > loss of power or cell service. > > > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for > this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the > daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of > regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well > served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of > Li-ion internal battery packs. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com > From k6mr at outlook.com Thu Aug 17 14:12:23 2017 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:12:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com>, Message-ID: Those of you in California are likely familiar with the camera network present on the larger California interstates/highways. For those of you who are not, here is a link to the network in the northern third of the state (on the way to Oregon). I-5 is basically the only efficient route from Southern/Central California to the eclipse area. http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/travelmap.htm Should make for interesting viewing this weekend. Click on the red dots to view the camera at the site. I for one plan to stay well clear of I-5 this weekend? Ken K6MR From: Bill Fenech Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:03 To: Clay Autery Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.bellsmith.3/videos/10208675848647902/ On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, > my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on > Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in > Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s > roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. > Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food > and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. > Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million > people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call > home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio > may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately > many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to > loss of power or cell service. > > > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for > this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the > daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of > regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well > served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of > Li-ion internal battery packs. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 14:19:05 2017 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <47ad791a-4321-85a9-13bc-0feb2dc2ba5a@gmail.com> Car-mageddin... On 8/17/2017 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few > days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. > Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a > campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s > roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. > Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of > food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become > parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already > out of fuel. > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million > people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to > call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, > amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency > communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or > portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for > this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the > daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of > regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not > well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a > couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (1) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated > email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access > all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never > delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Your Group > > > > * New Members > > 3 > > Yahoo! Groups > > > ? Privacy > ? > Unsubscribe > ? > Terms of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ From phystad at mac.com Thu Aug 17 14:25:47 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> Message-ID: Oregon road cams? https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp# They look as normal as can be. I am wondering if that previous posted FB video is accurately portraying. From the looks of the hills and trees, definitely east of the Cascades in that video if it is indeed Oregon. PEH > On Aug 17, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: > > Those of you in California are likely familiar with the camera network present on the larger California interstates/highways. For those of you who are not, here is a link to the network in the northern third of the state (on the way to Oregon). I-5 is basically the only efficient route from Southern/Central California to the eclipse area. > > http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/travelmap.htm Should make for interesting viewing this weekend. Click on the red dots to view the camera at the site. > > I for one plan to stay well clear of I-5 this weekend? > > Ken K6MR > > > > From: Bill Fenech > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:03 > To: Clay Autery > Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? > > https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.bellsmith.3/videos/10208675848647902/ > > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > >> Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, >> my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on >> Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in >> Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. >>> >>> There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s >> roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. >> Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food >> and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. >> Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. >>> >>> The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million >> people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call >> home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio >> may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately >> many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to >> loss of power or cell service. >>> >>> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for >> this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). >>> >>> Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the >> daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of >> regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well >> served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of >> Li-ion internal battery packs. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From ki8w at ki8w.com Thu Aug 17 14:30:21 2017 From: ki8w at ki8w.com (Thom) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:30:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> Message-ID: <698d8921-b567-f44b-6274-2a1d58c5ec5d@ki8w.com> My plans for the Eclipse. If all goes according to plan and my schedule, I plan to sleep thru it. I need the sleep more. 73 Thom KI8W On 8/17/2017 14:12, Ken K6MR wrote: > Those of you in California are likely familiar with the camera network present on the larger California interstates/highways. For those of you who are not, here is a link to the network in the northern third of the state (on the way to Oregon). I-5 is basically the only efficient route from Southern/Central California to the eclipse area. > > http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/travelmap.htm Should make for interesting viewing this weekend. Click on the red dots to view the camera at the site. > > I for one plan to stay well clear of I-5 this weekend? > > Ken K6MR > > > > From: Bill Fenech > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:03 > To: Clay Autery > Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? > > https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.bellsmith.3/videos/10208675848647902/ > > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > >> Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, >> my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on >> Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in >> Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. >>> There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s >> roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. >> Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food >> and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. >> Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. >>> The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million >> people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call >> home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio >> may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately >> many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to >> loss of power or cell service. >>> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for >> this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). >>> Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the >> daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of >> regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well >> served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of >> Li-ion internal battery packs. >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ki8w at ki8w.com From w0mu at w0mu.com Thu Aug 17 14:31:22 2017 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 12:31:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> Message-ID: <2056cf71-806c-5d5d-4221-fff551edf912@w0mu.com> I-25 In Colorado is going to be a complete mess. They are expecting over 500k people to go to Wyoming essentially doubling the population. Wyoming will not have the resources to handle this. Anyone going are being told to bring fuel and food, etc. We have decided to stay home. Heavy traffic expected Tomorrow through Wed! On 8/17/2017 12:12 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > Those of you in California are likely familiar with the camera network present on the larger California interstates/highways. For those of you who are not, here is a link to the network in the northern third of the state (on the way to Oregon). I-5 is basically the only efficient route from Southern/Central California to the eclipse area. > > http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/travelmap.htm Should make for interesting viewing this weekend. Click on the red dots to view the camera at the site. > > I for one plan to stay well clear of I-5 this weekend? > > Ken K6MR > > > > From: Bill Fenech > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:03 > To: Clay Autery > Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? > > https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.bellsmith.3/videos/10208675848647902/ > > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > >> Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, >> my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on >> Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in >> Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. >>> There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s >> roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. >> Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food >> and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. >> Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. >>> The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million >> people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call >> home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio >> may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately >> many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to >> loss of power or cell service. >>> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for >> this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). >>> Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the >> daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of >> regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well >> served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of >> Li-ion internal battery packs. >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From kevinr at coho.net Thu Aug 17 14:43:54 2017 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:43:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <698d8921-b567-f44b-6274-2a1d58c5ec5d@ki8w.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <698d8921-b567-f44b-6274-2a1d58c5ec5d@ki8w.com> Message-ID: <082cb949-f60e-e1d2-f38f-71ae842ecabb@coho.net> The weather in Oregon has turned toward autumn. After the last two weeks of smoke and heat I have awoken to clouds and cool weather again. The Willamette Valley is only now (11:30 AM) clearing from the morning clouds. Oregon Department of Transportation is predicting an 8 hour travel time between Portland and Albany during the peak travel times to the path of totality. They are advising you travel with extra gasoline and enough food and water for two days. Very good practice for an ECOM event. Grocery stores and gas stations will most likely be sold out by noon. Clear skies abound east of the Cascades but travel will be even worse outside of the I-5 corridor. Good Luck and stay safe, Kevin. KD5ONS On 8/17/2017 11:30 AM, Thom wrote: > My plans for the Eclipse. > > If all goes according to plan and my schedule, I plan to sleep thru it. > > I need the sleep more. > > 73 > > Thom KI8W > > On 8/17/2017 14:12, Ken K6MR wrote: >> Those of you in California are likely familiar with the camera >> network present on the larger California interstates/highways. For >> those of you who are not, here is a link to the network in the >> northern third of the state (on the way to Oregon). I-5 is basically >> the only efficient route from Southern/Central California to the >> eclipse area. >> >> http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist2/travelmap.htm Should make for >> interesting viewing this weekend. Click on the red dots to view the >> camera at the site. >> >> I for one plan to stay well clear of I-5 this weekend? >> >> Ken K6MR >> >> >> >> From: Bill Fenech >> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:03 >> To: Clay Autery >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? >> >> https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.bellsmith.3/videos/10208675848647902/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> >>> Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>> MONTAC Enterprises >>> (318) 518-1389 >>> >>> On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few >>>> days, >>> my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on >>> Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in >>> Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. >>>> There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s >>> roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. >>> Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of >>> food >>> and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking >>> lots. >>> Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. >>>> The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million >>> people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call >>> home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur >>> radio >>> may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. >>> Fortunately >>> many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to >>> loss of power or cell service. >>>> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for >>> this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). >>>> Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the >>> daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of >>> regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not >>> well >>> served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a >>> couple of >>> Li-ion internal battery packs. >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wfenech at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ki8w at ki8w.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > From dave.w8ov at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 15:23:26 2017 From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (David Koch) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:23:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2056cf71-806c-5d5d-4221-fff551edf912@w0mu.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <2056cf71-806c-5d5d-4221-fff551edf912@w0mu.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine, a life-long astronomy buff who sold telescopes and other optical instruments, told me he had one chance prior to this one to see a total solar eclipse. But the reports of anticipated mobs and traffic were so overwhelming that he decided to stay home. One of his friends, however, went in spite of the reports and later told my friend that there was no problem, no traffic, no crowds. When I scouted a possible location for this eclipse I found many places out in "the boondocks" and away from advertised locations that, I doubt, will have much traffic or crowds. If I had plans to go, I'd do it anyway, taking the recommended amount of food, gasoline, etc. But I've seen one and have photos to prove it. Wonderful experience, and though I might alter my destination location, I wouldn't cancel plans for this eclipse if I hadn't experienced one. And by the way, the one I saw was from a location (the only possible one in that region) that was just inside the edge of the totality path. So we had a few seconds less totality time than being at the center. Still a great experience. You don't have to be in the exact center of the path to get the "full" benefit. 73, and good viewing, Dave W8OV On 2017-08-17 13:31, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > I-25 In Colorado is going to be a complete mess. They are expecting > over 500k people to go to Wyoming essentially doubling the population. > Wyoming will not have the resources to handle this. Anyone going are > being told to bring fuel and food, etc. We have decided to stay > home. Heavy traffic expected Tomorrow through Wed! From hotrod541 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 17 17:40:41 2017 From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (louis a. ives) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:40:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KI03 error Message-ID: On powering up my K3 I receive a KI03 error. I updated the KI03 when it was first available. What I need to know is, what is the best way to troubleshoot the problem to identify which board is affected. I know that I can buy a new set of boards but I am trying not to go that way. I would like to know if Elecraft will repair boards if shipped to them out of the K3. Thanks in advance and 73 to all. Buddy, KN4ZSI Sent from my iPhone From rick at tavan.com Thu Aug 17 18:19:12 2017 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 15:19:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Have fun, Wayne. We're now in Boise where an Uber driver said her peace officer husband and his colleagues will be maximally deployed on Monday in and near the zone. Boise itself will only be about 99.5% of totality, the difference being, ... er, "night and day." I'll be viewing from a pre-scouted location east of here, inside the zone, with an alumni travel group led by a well-regarded astronomer. If I get the antenna set up, I'll look for you on 7283.5 with my internal-battery KX2. Alas, I forgot the external battery, so I'll be amp-hour-limited! 73, /Rick N6XI On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my > family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday > (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, > right in the Path of Totality. > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s > roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. > Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food > and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. > Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people > camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or > reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very > we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us > will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power > or cell service. > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for > this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily > west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional > coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by > VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion > internal battery packs. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From n1ho at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 19:27:16 2017 From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <839602323.4137759.1503012436027@mail.yahoo.com> >>> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). I'm at my summer home in the mountains of western North Carolina, near Hendersonville,and we're expecting 99.9% totality at this QTH. >From the reports in the local news media, a huge influx of visitors is expected, which will?basically saturatethe region, including (especially) the Great Smoky Mountains National Park (which spans parts of bothNC and TN), as well as the lower part of the Blue Ridge Parkway. Local EM officials are very concernedabout response times for?emergency response units because the roads in that area are narrow (very fewof which are 4 lane), and very winding, with many switchbacks, blind corners, and?steep?drop-offs. Buncombe County ARES (greater Asheville) has been enlisted to provide additional communications toaugment normal first response communications facilities. Other counties have not, as yet, to my (admittedly limited)?knowledge, formally called up local ARES groups. I'm reasonably certain, based on personal experience with holiday traffic, that Interstate 40 in western NC,and Interstate 26 in western NC and upstate SC (and probably all the way down to Charleston) will bevery, very crowded/jammed. Both of them are mostly 4-lane, albeit with some hill-climbing lanes for trucks,but tend to get very crowded, even on "normal" weekends. There are several 630m experimental stations in the immediate vicinity who are planning WSPRtransmissions throughout the event, and reception reports are always?appreciated. Luckily, it's a short walk (~1/4 mile) for my XYL and I to the local community park from which we can observe. 73, Brandy, N1HO From kh2tj at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 17 19:45:59 2017 From: kh2tj at sbcglobal.net (Todd) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:45:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <59962AB7.4030404@sbcglobal.net> I am planning on being up in the Strawberry Mtn Wilderness area (if it's not saturated with people) south of John Day. I'm hoping to get on with the KX2 for the SEQP as well. Looking to do a couple of SOTA peaks prior to the big event. When I get up there depends on when I get out of Elko. Been stuck over here for going on two days now (work related). Here's a good link I got from W6EU last week. Good Oregon road and webcam info: https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp# Oregon has a pretty good linked repeater system: https://www.w7pra.com/ http://www.arrg.org/repeaters.htm The Oregon Connection link comes up as a dead link, so not sure what's going on with that system... Good idea on the RV Svc net. There's also the Jefferson Noon Net daily at noon on 7204 plus or minus, but I think they're mostly NorCal and Reno area ?? I'll be using W7TR for the SEQP from grid DN04ph with KX2 and a 20M EFHW. Sounds like fun! I also read something about some of the rural areas of Oregon not taking ATM debit cards, so carry cash ;-) (I've never experienced that though and Ive played in eastern OR quite a bit - just passing on what I read) I did Salmoncon back in July, and the consensus among some of the group that were heading to the coast said it was going to be pure chaos... 73, Todd KH2TJ Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > > From w7aqk at cox.net Thu Aug 17 20:10:46 2017 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9D48F33D498D4F3BB45241D4CC980C13@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> That?s for sure! The horror stories I?m hearing about the fiasco that?s about to engulf Oregon almost make me glad I?m not up there this summer, as we usually are. Doctor?s appointments have kept us close to home. Bend, Oregon isn?t exactly a ?small? town these days. It used to be! When I lived there, many years ago, it had less than 12K people. Redmond had 3K. Then it got ?discovered??and developed! Now there are closer to 200K people in Bend?s metro area! It is the fastest growing town in Oregon! Those going to Oregon to watch the eclipse better bring their wallet. I?ve heard that motels/hotels are charging upwards of $2500 a night around eclipse time! That?s insane. I-5 will be gridlocked with an estimated additional 1 million visitors. I?m having great difficulty seeing the justification for going through all of the hassle, and expense, just to watch an eclipse. Maybe for the scientists among us it makes sense, but for the rest of us, it?s just a ?gee whiz? moment! Probably the most extravagant thing I?ve ever done was to pay upwards of $400 a ticket a few years ago for ??decent? seats to see The Rolling Stones, which I thought I had to do at least once! It?s probably even more now! If he were still alive, I would probably pay that much to see Luciano Pavarotti (again!), but I can?t swear to it! Hi. Dave W7AQK From: Rick WA6NHC wa6nhc at gmail.com [Elecraft_K3] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:19 AM To: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com ; Elecraft Reflector Cc: KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft_K3] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Car-mageddin... On 8/17/2017 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. 73, Wayne N6KR __._,_.___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Rick WA6NHC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (2) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit Your Group a.. New Members 4 ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From ae5x at juno.com Thu Aug 17 20:19:33 2017 From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 00:19:33 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Message-ID: <20170817.191933.3010.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> We are headed into the totality zone ourselves - a 12 hour drive for a 2 minute event. For those who don't make it this year, there is another one in 2024 that will provide "totality" for a much larger portion of the US population: https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/map/2024-april-8# Happy viewing all, John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ ________________________ >Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days ____________________________________________________________ Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times The Observer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599632d0814a332d04a5dst03vuc From w1go at icloud.com Thu Aug 17 20:40:28 2017 From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe)) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k-Pod ... Thanks for the mod Message-ID: <1BF3D7CE-BADE-41C6-A566-B30121474A4D@icloud.com> Recently purchased a K-pod for my earlier vintage K3s kit. I read about the mod necessary to power up the K-Pod via the data connector. I eagerly removed the front panel and identified R82. I carefully removed the chip resistor (tiny) and considered how I?d mount it on top of R82 and solder both ends; I needed a third hand. Under magnification I noticed that something looked ?odd.? R82 was standing taller than the surrounding resistors and the solder terminations looked different. Guess what? Someone at Elecraft had already done the mod. The rig was in for service (bad output FET) previously so I guess maybe it was done then (?). Who knows. In any event, thank you to whoever did it! My aging eyes thank you. My unsteady hand thanks you ? Once again, service that exceeds expectations. And yes. I could have avoided the removal of the front panel if I had just connected the data cable without the separate supply voltage; never thought to do that ? Joe W1GO From ab4iq at comcast.net Thu Aug 17 21:09:05 2017 From: ab4iq at comcast.net (ab4iqkf4cxo) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> Message-ID: <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> Come to Paducah KY if you want a good glimpse of the eclipse. Bring plenty of money! Hi Hi.. Ed... AB4IQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:05 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab4iq at comcast.net From ks7d at verizon.net Thu Aug 17 21:13:00 2017 From: ks7d at verizon.net (Mike KS7D) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:13:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <20170817.191933.3010.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20170817.191933.3010.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1B07C61D-526D-4980-83B6-09DC3C18777E@verizon.net> Totality is only about two minutes, but the total event from when the moon begins to cover the Sun until it completes its transit is over two hours. Lots to see and experience. Mike Sent from my iPhone www.ks7d.com @ks7d > On Aug 17, 2017, at 5:19 PM, John AE5X wrote: > > We are headed into the totality zone ourselves - a 12 hour drive for a 2 minute event. For those who don't make it this year, there is another one in 2024 that will provide "totality" for a much larger portion of the US population: > > https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/map/2024-april-8# > > Happy viewing all, > > John AE5X > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > ________________________ > >> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days > > ____________________________________________________________ > Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times > The Observer > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599632d0814a332d04a5dst03vuc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ks7d at verizon.net From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 17 21:22:13 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:22:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <453F07EF-CC3A-4167-BA8E-AA6A835637F2@blomand.net> We live 0.7 miles from the point of 100% totality lasting for some 2 minutes 30 seconds. Guess I'll ride my bike up the road to the point. At our house we will only have something like 99.2% totality. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2017, at 8:09 PM, ab4iqkf4cxo wrote: > > Come to Paducah KY if you want a good glimpse of the eclipse. Bring plenty of money! Hi Hi.. > > Ed... AB4IQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:05 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? > > Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. >> >> There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. >> >> The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. >> >> If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). >> >> Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab4iq at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From Hamshack at N4ST.com Thu Aug 17 23:27:28 2017 From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:27:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> Yes, motel rooms normally going for $51/night are over $600. A bargain at $1000 for two nights. _____________ N4ST -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ab4iqkf4cxo Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 21:09 To: 'Clay Autery' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Come to Paducah KY if you want a good glimpse of the eclipse. Bring plenty of money! Hi Hi.. Ed... AB4IQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:05 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab4iq at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hamshack at n4st.com From mdgebhardt2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 00:07:49 2017 From: mdgebhardt2 at gmail.com (Mark Gebhardt) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Message-ID: It shows what a good guy that you are Wayne because you let Eric have the corporate jet to fly the path of totality without you! Maybe he will find the time to chat with the people stuck on the highway as he screams by chasing the shadow. It will remind me of an ISS contact. In Illinois we have one highway to avoid which is I-57. It connects Chicago with the rest of Illinois to the South. I hope all goes well for all of us! Mark K9ZQ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:17:23 -0700 From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector , elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Message-ID: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557 at elecraft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. 73, Wayne N6KR From KY5G at montac.com Fri Aug 18 00:34:13 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> Message-ID: <29ac0764-438a-2d9e-6c91-6cc16b6d47cd@montac.com> Criminal... :-( ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G On 8/17/2017 10:27 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: > Yes, motel rooms normally going for $51/night are over $600. A bargain at $1000 for two nights. > > _____________ > N4ST > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 18 01:01:31 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 22:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Message-ID: Econ 101 ... supply vs demand. Capitalism at its finest. Skip K6DGW Clay Autery wrote: >Criminal... :-( > >______________________ >Clay Autery, KY5G > >On 8/17/2017 10:27 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: >> Yes, motel rooms normally going for $51/night are over $600. A bargain at $1000 for two nights. >> >> _____________ >> N4ST >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 18 01:03:27 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 22:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <29ac0764-438a-2d9e-6c91-6cc16b6d47cd@montac.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> <29ac0764-438a-2d9e-6c91-6cc16b6d47cd@montac.com> Message-ID: No, just capitalism and basic economics -- the law of supply and demand at work. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/17/2017 9:34 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Criminal... :-( > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > > On 8/17/2017 10:27 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: >> Yes, motel rooms normally going for $51/night are over $600. A bargain at $1000 for two nights. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 18 01:41:50 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 22:41:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> Message-ID: <4eea4276-7dba-1430-2c1a-2e02fba50a1c@triconet.org> Hmm, $51/night, for $5,000 they'll sell you the place. N7WS On 8/17/2017 8:27 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: > Yes, motel rooms normally going for $51/night are over $600. A bargain at $1000 for two nights. > > _____________ > N4ST > > From tim.n9puz at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 08:16:22 2017 From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim N9PUZ) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <4eea4276-7dba-1430-2c1a-2e02fba50a1c@triconet.org> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> <4eea4276-7dba-1430-2c1a-2e02fba50a1c@triconet.org> Message-ID: They are expecting an extra 1/2-3/4 million people along the path in Southern Illinois. It's a very rural area and the State expects backups on the Interstates because the roads there do not have true cloverleafs, there is a stop sign at the top of each ramp and only room for about 16 cars on the ramp itself before traffic backs up onto the Interstate itself. Illinois ARES and the American Red Cross both have hams on standby Friday and Saturday with operators on station Sunday and Monday. The State EOC is partially activated and the RACES Team is on standby as well. Another big concern is bad weather. Many of the cars, etc. will be parked in mowed pastures. If there is a lot of rain they may not be able to get out and thousands could be stranded without food, water, or rest room facilities. I hope all of the preparations turn out to be over reacting. Tim N9PUZ On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Hmm, $51/night, for $5,000 they'll sell you the place. > > N7WS > > On 8/17/2017 8:27 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: > >> Yes, motel rooms normally going for $51/night are over $600. A bargain >> at $1000 for two nights. >> >> _____________ >> N4ST >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tim.n9puz at gmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Aug 18 08:41:18 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:41:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <4eea4276-7dba-1430-2c1a-2e02fba50a1c@triconet.org> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <4f8d01d317be$96f1cb10$c4d56130$@comcast.net> <000201d317d1$f1097950$d31c6bf0$@N4ST.com> <4eea4276-7dba-1430-2c1a-2e02fba50a1c@triconet.org> Message-ID: I wonder if these jacked up rates includes a current infestation of bed bugs? I understand they are very popular these days. No thank you, I'll stay in our own travel trailer. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 8/18/2017 12:41 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Hmm, $51/night, for $5,000 they'll sell you the place. > > N7WS > > On 8/17/2017 8:27 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: >> Yes, motel rooms normally going for $51/night are over $600. A >> bargain at $1000 for two nights. >> >> _____________ >> N4ST >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From w2up at comcast.net Fri Aug 18 09:15:15 2017 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 06:15:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2056cf71-806c-5d5d-4221-fff551edf912@w0mu.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <2056cf71-806c-5d5d-4221-fff551edf912@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <1503062115269-7633495.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm planning to go very early Monday morning, north on I-25 into Wyoming. I'm hoping their predictions are as accurate as those were for Y2K end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it. Barry W2UP w0mu wrote > I-25 In Colorado is going to be a complete mess. They are expecting > over 500k people to go to Wyoming essentially doubling the population. > Wyoming will not have the resources to handle this. Anyone going are > being told to bring fuel and food, etc. We have decided to stay home. > Heavy traffic expected Tomorrow through Wed! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Eclipse-logistics-and-em-comm-nets-tp7633462p7633495.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sidfrissell at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 09:15:42 2017 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sidney Frissell) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:15:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s error message KP1 Message-ID: I am on 20 meters working FT8 and I keep getting an error message ?KP1?. I don?t find that message in the K3s manual or in Fred Cady?s book. Can someone tell me what it means and what the remedy might be? Sid, NZ7M From psaffren at elecraft.com Fri Aug 18 11:45:22 2017 From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:45:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s error message KP1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1503071122513-7633497.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Sid, The KP1 error message has to do with the K-Pod. Make sure you are running the latest K3 firmware. If you're still having a problem after upgrading your firmware, please email me directly at Elecraft. My email is pauls at you know where dot com. Kindly, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-error-message-KP1-tp7633496p7633497.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eaopa at comcast.net Fri Aug 18 14:13:21 2017 From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:13:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-XMIT button not working in DATA-A mode Message-ID: <1fb77a72-3220-8fdf-183a-06b030475355@comcast.net> Problem has been solved. K3 is working OK. The settings for the WJST-X F8 mode software were not correct. Also the MIC output from my computer was not working properly. Thank you all who responded. 73, Gene W2BXR From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Aug 18 14:31:43 2017 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:31:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Display OTS - Mystery Solved Message-ID: <05E775FA-5CAC-41C3-9C96-5F293B8F22D3@law.du.edu> Thanks to all who offered suggestions and advice and particularly to Don Wilhelm, who stuck with it through several rounds of off-list e-mails as I worked through the problem. There may be something useful in the experience, so here?s what it was: R7 is a ? watt resistor on the K2 front panel board, located about 2 mm from a grounded mounting screw. Although invisible to the naked eye, with a strong light and a magnifying lens that I used to examine every solder point on the board, I found a half inch curled up length of very fine wire, one end hooked on the R7 lead and the other swinging across the adjacent mounting screw, effectively but intermittently shorting out the IDAT line of the LCD driver. It appeared to be a tiny piece of a single strand from the braid of one of the internal TMP cables that had fallen in during the build. It may have floated about harmlessly for over a year and then, with some odd movement of the rig, got one end caught on the resistor lead and the other brushing the ground point. Removed it with tweezers, reassembled the rig, and voila. All is good. Note to personal checklist: Whenever possible, trim the TMP cable braids on the workbench, away from the rig, and brush off loose strands before installation. Ted, KN1CBR From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 18 14:57:28 2017 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 11:57:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> Message-ID: <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> Other than I-5, Oregon's highways are one lane each way with few exceptions in more built up areas. As Eclipse viewers arrive, the roads fill up fast. Local news reported that one town in the eastern Willamette Valley had a 30 mile long bumper-to-bumper back up yesterday. I-5 should be moving at least. Here in Newport on the central Oregon coast (within the band of "totality"), traffic is heavy and growing worse by the day. People are being reminded that they may NOT camp on the beaches. Besides, we should have record high tides caused by the sun and moon tides converging on eclipse day. Many beaches will be under water. Lodging and camps are at full capacity. In spite of visitors being warned they will be fined, we expect to find roadsides that have any space and parking lots everywhere filled with campers and trailers. During the eclipse we expect to find vehicles just stopping in the road to watch, oblivious to the fact it stops traffic for as long as they sit there (that already happens from time to time every summer when people stop in the middle of the highway, get out of their vehicles, and take pictures (sigh...). The local telephone services are installing many hundreds of portable "towers" to augment the regular cell towers. Even so, I won't be surprised if Wayne is correct: Amateur Radio may be the most reliable communications system. Also, hundreds of additional ambulances are on scene to handle more emergencies, although whether they will be able to get where they need to go is in doubt. Many roads have NO shoulders where people can pull over. A deep drainage ditch runs down each side of most rural roads just off the edge of the pavement. A number of helicopter ambulances are arriving to help where emergency vehicles cannot reach. National Guard personnel are being dispatched to help with traffic in various locations and they have better off-road vehicles for places where the highways are jammed. One major concern locally is on the morning of the 21st when people here discover the sky is overcast (as it usually is on the coast this time of year- at least until noon) they will try to head east along US20, one lane each way through the 3,000 foot coastal mountains, to reach cloudless skies. Gas prices up over a dollar ($3.25 yesterday) and are sure to continue to rise as long as the pumps don't run dry. Gas is delivered from over the coastal mountains and it's likely that no new deliveries are being made before the crowds dissipate. Similarly, grocery store shelves are emptying out and may not be restocked before the eclipse. Our local water company is concerned about handling the load imposed by having 5 or 10 times the normal number of people using it. They recommend storing extra water now. Overall the emergency services point out that this is a great test of our readiness for the anticipated "Cascadia event" that we train for regularly including strong earthquakes, tsunami and no passable highways for several days at least. That may be, but August 22nd will be a great relief! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:05 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Wow... sure hope this isn't the case in North Tennessee... :) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/17/2017 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Many of us are headed into the solar eclipse zone in the next few days, my family included. We?re leaving today for Ashland, Oregon. Early on Saturday (possibly *very* early), we?ll be driving to a campground in Corvallis, right in the Path of Totality. > > There are widespread predictions of epic gridlock for many of Oregon?s roadways. I?m guessing this will be true in other states as well. Authorities are suggesting that travelers have several days worth of food and water, as they could be stranded on freeways that become parking lots. Many gas stations in small towns like Bend are already out of fuel. > > The cellphone network could be affected as well. Imaging 1 million people camping, in effect, on I-5, state route 97, etc., trying to call home or reach emergency services. Under the circumstances, amateur radio may very we called upon to provide emergency communications. Fortunately many of us will be using mobile or portable stations that are immune to loss of power or cell service. > > If you know of any specific networks that are planning to activate for this event, please post that info here (and elsewhere). > > Lacking any defined plan, I?ll be monitoring 7283.5 kHz, home of the daily west-coast ?Noontime Net?. 40 meters is ideal for this sort of regional coordination and emergency traffic, especially in areas not well served by VHF/UHF repeaters. I?ll have a KX2, some wire, and a couple of Li-ion internal battery packs. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Aug 18 15:09:45 2017 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 15:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite now supports N1MM+ Spectral Display for Contests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648A8D78589E423EA43E69E13729CFD5@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Hello, The latest release of Win4K3Suite now supports N1MM+ Contest Logger?s Spectral display. This enhancements broadcasts spectral data from Win4K3Suite to the spectrum display window in N1MM+ allowing identification of signals that you can actually hear as shown in the spectral display. You can see this in action here: https://youtu.be/_769Dli_lJo This capability works with the IF output of the K3/K3S with an LPPAN Panadapter or the SDRPlay RSP, the IQ output of the KX3 and a sound card, or the KX2 with a SDRPlay RSP and a TR switch. Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control program for the Elecraft K3/K3S, the KX3 and KX2 supporting the KAT500 and KPA500 (even with the KX2) and has built in virtual ports that integrate with all third party hardware and software. You can see the software in action here: https://youtu.be/htVlc9x0IoU Win4K3Suite comes with a 30 day fully functional trial. 73 Tom va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:12 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: KX3 at yahoogroups.com ; elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] "Contester's Spectral Display" feature of N1MM software will be supported soon Hi all, You may have heard that the popular N1MM program now has a ?contester?s spectral display? window. Very soon, we anticipate a new release of N1MM that provides support for this feature when used with the K3, K3S, and KX3. (The Win4k3 software package was just modified to provide the spectral data that N1MM needs. Thanks to Tom, VA2FSQ, for fast-tracking this addition.) I?ve already seen the demo, which is quite impressive. When the release is finalized, we?ll do another announcement with full details. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mtkoszew at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 15:33:07 2017 From: mtkoszew at gmail.com (Marty Koszewski) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 15:33:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - N1MM+ CW Message Transmit Decode Question Message-ID: I have my K3S set up in N1MM+ as suggested on pages 187 & 188 of the Fred Cady manual (38400,N,8,1,CW,Always Off). The radio is set to RS232 = USB and PTT-KEY = OFF-dtr. CW Transmit Message Decode Behavior: (.mf file) When the function key (eg. f4) is set to '{MYCALL}', the radio transits as expected, but does NOT decode the CW mycall transmission. When the function key is set to ?{CATA1ASC KY *;}?, the radio transmits and DECODES the CW mycall transmission. I get similar results for all of the function keys. Transmit decodes with CAT command, does not the standard command. Any idea why the K3S decodes the CW message transmission using the CAT command, but not the MYCALL command? I have verified that the radio is transmitting in both cases. I have tried various decode threshold values as well. Thanks. 73, Marty - N1VH From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 16:05:11 2017 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:05:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - N1MM+ CW Message Transmit Decode Question Message-ID: N1VH wrote: > Any idea why the K3S decodes the CW message transmission using the CAT > command, but not the MYCALL command? I have verified that the radio is > transmitting in both cases. I have tried various decode threshold values as well. First off, when you use the CAT command the radio is not decoding transmitted CW at all, it is simply echoing the ASCII text you sent to it in the command. Second, the only transmitted CW the K3/K3S can decode is keying from the paddle input to the radio's internal CW keyer. Keying input from a straight key, a computer or an external keyer, whether it comes into the radio on the DTR line of the radio control port or via the CW Key jack, does not get decoded. 73, Rich VE3KI From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 18 16:18:10 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:18:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - N1MM+ CW Message Transmit Decode Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5371adf7-b930-c34f-f920-b19b0c88d42f@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/18/2017 1:05 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > Second, the only transmitted CW the K3/K3S can decode is keying from the > paddle input to the radio's internal CW keyer. And if we want to program K3 or K3S memories, we must either send with a paddle connected to the K3/K3S keyer port or program them using the K3/K3S Utility. That's one reason that, even though my primary paddle feeds a WinKey compatible keyer in my YCCC SO2R box, I always have separate paddles connected directly to both radios in my SO2R setup. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 18 16:35:37 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:35:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) Message-ID: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 0900Z. Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Aug 18 16:40:19 2017 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 12:40:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Message-ID: <201708182040.v7IKeJTj025151@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Nothing to do with emcomm, but: I believe I experience total eclipse a couple times in my youth in Mich. (1950's), so have experienced that before and probably several partial eclipses. Only 45% here in Alaska but if sky is clear (not likely in August) we might get a quick glimpse. 2024 it will still be thousands of miles away requiring air faire, car rental, lodging and meals to get to. At 80 years probably be satisfied to watch on TV. Today's wx: overcast, sprinkles, 54F, calm ... pretty normal for here. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 18 16:50:50 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:50:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) In-Reply-To: <1F67EAA7-2A78-4A55-B59A-8855DC8621E5@yahoo.com> References: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> <1F67EAA7-2A78-4A55-B59A-8855DC8621E5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <278BF99A-A3E7-4D7F-B25B-685217AF71DA@elecraft.com> 14060 CW. Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Charles Powell wrote: > > What frequency/mode? I?m on 20 or 17 CW with my KX2 and a 16? vertical right now. Will be in the path of the eclipse on Monday from near Jefferson City MO, but not sure I can take the radio. We shall see. > > Chas > NK8O > > >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 0900Z. >> >> Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: Wayne Burdick >> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) >> >> Have you tried the highest rated email app? >> With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 7 >> ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use >> >> . >> >> >> __,_._,___ > From phystad at mac.com Fri Aug 18 17:02:30 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) In-Reply-To: <278BF99A-A3E7-4D7F-B25B-685217AF71DA@elecraft.com> References: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> <1F67EAA7-2A78-4A55-B59A-8855DC8621E5@yahoo.com> <278BF99A-A3E7-4D7F-B25B-685217AF71DA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <42208961-E089-4073-9C03-0A7BFB98F792@mac.com> Listening in on 14060 KHz but do not hear you yet. Antenna is Hexbeam up about 40 feet. Listening on both K3 and KX2 (not simultaneously though) while I put together my KX3 that arrived today. 73, phil, K7PEH Kirkland, WA > On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > 14060 CW. > > Wayne > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Charles Powell wrote: >> >> What frequency/mode? I?m on 20 or 17 CW with my KX2 and a 16? vertical right now. Will be in the path of the eclipse on Monday from near Jefferson City MO, but not sure I can take the radio. We shall see. >> >> Chas >> NK8O >> >> >>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: >>> >>> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 0900Z. >>> >>> Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ---- >>> http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> Posted by: Wayne Burdick >>> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) >>> >>> Have you tried the highest rated email app? >>> With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >>> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 7 >>> ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> __,_._,___ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From mtkoszew at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 18:29:05 2017 From: mtkoszew at gmail.com (Marty Koszewski) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:29:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - N1MM+ CW Message Transmit Decode Question Message-ID: Thanks Rich. I appreciate the detailed response. Makes sense to me now. 73, Marty - N1VH On 8/18/2017 1:05 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > Any idea why the K3S decodes the CW message transmission using the CAT > command, but not the MYCALL command? I have verified that the radio is > transmitting in both cases. I have tried various decode threshold values as well. First off, when you use the CAT command the radio is not decoding transmitted CW at all, it is simply echoing the ASCII text you sent to it in the command. Second, the only transmitted CW the K3/K3S can decode is keying from the paddle input to the radio's internal CW keyer. Keying input from a straight key, a computer or an external keyer, whether it comes into the radio on the DTR line of the radio control port or via the CW Key jack, does not get decoded. 73, Rich VE3KI From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 18 20:12:38 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> Message-ID: Jeez Ron, it sounds like the intro to one of those B-grade disaster movies from my childhood.? No one knows if Godzilla will show up.? The eclipse likely won't extend past the normal attention span of a teenager ... then everyone needs to leave and return home.? I do hope the hams are ready if needed. OH, forgot ... there are those who take offense at calling Godzilla a B-movie.? I am truly sorry and I apologize. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/18/2017 11:57 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Other than I-5, Oregon's highways are one lane each way with few exceptions in more built up areas. As Eclipse viewers arrive, the roads fill up fast. Local news reported that one town in the eastern Willamette Valley had a 30 mile long bumper-to-bumper back up yesterday. I-5 should be moving at least. > > Here in Newport on the central Oregon coast (within the band of "totality"), traffic is heavy and growing worse by the day. People are being reminded that they may NOT camp on the beaches. Besides, we should have record high tides caused by the sun and moon tides converging on eclipse day. Many beaches will be under water. Lodging and camps are at full capacity. In spite of visitors being warned they will be fined, we expect to find roadsides that have any space and parking lots everywhere filled with campers and trailers. During the eclipse we expect to find vehicles just stopping in the road to watch, oblivious to the fact it stops traffic for as long as they sit there (that already happens from time to time every summer when people stop in the middle of the highway, get out of their vehicles, and take pictures (sigh...). > > The local telephone services are installing many hundreds of portable "towers" to augment the regular cell towers. Even so, I won't be surprised if Wayne is correct: Amateur Radio may be the most reliable communications system. > > Also, hundreds of additional ambulances are on scene to handle more emergencies, although whether they will be able to get where they need to go is in doubt. Many roads have NO shoulders where people can pull over. A deep drainage ditch runs down each side of most rural roads just off the edge of the pavement. > > A number of helicopter ambulances are arriving to help where emergency vehicles cannot reach. > > National Guard personnel are being dispatched to help with traffic in various locations and they have better off-road vehicles for places where the highways are jammed. > > One major concern locally is on the morning of the 21st when people here discover the sky is overcast (as it usually is on the coast this time of year- at least until noon) they will try to head east along US20, one lane each way through the 3,000 foot coastal mountains, to reach cloudless skies. > > Gas prices up over a dollar ($3.25 yesterday) and are sure to continue to rise as long as the pumps don't run dry. Gas is delivered from over the coastal mountains and it's likely that no new deliveries are being made before the crowds dissipate. > > Similarly, grocery store shelves are emptying out and may not be restocked before the eclipse. > > Our local water company is concerned about handling the load imposed by having 5 or 10 times the normal number of people using it. They recommend storing extra water now. > > Overall the emergency services point out that this is a great test of our readiness for the anticipated "Cascadia event" that we train for regularly including strong earthquakes, tsunami and no passable highways for several days at least. > > That may be, but August 22nd will be a great relief! > > 73, Ron AC7AC > From k2asp at kanafi.org Fri Aug 18 20:30:24 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:30:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> Message-ID: <7a997724-125f-5be8-033f-67c3fb42014b@kanafi.org> On 8/18/2017 11:57 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > The local telephone services are installing many hundreds of portable > "towers" to augment the regular cell towers. Even so, I won't be > surprised if Wayne is correct: Amateur Radio may be the most reliable > communications system. Those of us who know better know that no matter how many other COWS (Cellsites-On-Wheels) are deployed, there's a finite number of circuits that the landline switch can handle. I don't see them bringing in any extra switches! Two major VHF/UHF clubs with repeaters all up and down the state are linking all their machines, and the various county ARES units are on standby to relay overflow requests for 9-1-1 assistance, as will be state and local HF ARES units. Net control for this gigantic net will be at Washington County Sheriff's Office -- which is NOT co-located with the 9-1-1 Center. My ARES deployment is supposed to be at the 9-1-1 Center (Washington County Consolidated Communications Agency) but because of mobility limitations I will be standing by at home to do cross-systems relays if necessary. One activity that has not received much attention in ham-dom is that during the eclipse the ionospheric D-layer will disappear as it does at night, and AM Broadcast signals will propagate as DX for an hour or so. FCC Rules prohibit AM stations with different daytime and nighttime parameters to operate nighttime with daytime parameters but this is one exception (another is during a mandated FCC inspection). It's going to be interesting. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Member, Washington County, OR Emergency Communications Team ARES/RACES AEC for Training From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Fri Aug 18 21:38:37 2017 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:38:37 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Help needed to control KPA500 Message-ID: I have been using my KPA500 for some years with my TS990. The TS990 USB port runs my logging program, Turbolog 4, and the TS990 serial port is connected to the KPA500 serial port for automatic band change. All works well. Very recently, I bought an SDRPlay RSP2 so I could have a better bandscope display than the TS990's. As the SDR needs the USB port to operate, I had to rejig the logging program arrangements such that I now run the logging program from the TS990 serial port through an FTDI serial to USB adapter. That works fine. I then needed to adapt the arrangements to get the KPA500 working from the TS990 serial port at the same time. After a few Google searches and enquiries on the TS990 reflector, I obtained a serial port Y cable which plugs into the TS990 with one branch of the Y going to the serial/USB adapter for logging (works fine) and the other branch going to the KPA500 though a two wire circuit comprising pin 3 of the TS990 serial port to pin2 of the KPA500 through a 1N4148 with the cathode end to the KPA500 and pin 2 of the TS990 serial port through a 2.2k resistor to pin 2 of the KPA500 serial port. Pins 1,4 6 and pins 7,8 of the KPA500 serial port are wired together. I tried to post the circuit embedded in this email but the reflector owner bounced it as being outside the guidelines. That is why my explanation is so convoluted. All appropriate baud rates and other KPA500 settings are correct but the KPA500 simply does not do any band changes except if, for example, the logging program drops out (which it does very occasionally) and I click the mouse to reset it. Then the KPA500 jumps to the correct band. Presumably the resetting of the logging program produces a pulse and that activates the KPA500. Obviously what I am doing is not the right way to go about the problem and it would be appreciated if someone could put me on the right lines. Many thanks Barry Simpson VK2BJ From n7cqr at arrl.net Fri Aug 18 21:52:33 2017 From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:52:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <7a997724-125f-5be8-033f-67c3fb42014b@kanafi.org> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> <7a997724-125f-5be8-033f-67c3fb42014b@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <5CF1A506-C077-42E3-B6F8-2515A800D4E7@arrl.net> Just wanted to pass on that today I drove from Ashland to Portland and made it in 4 & 1/2 hrs. The only slowdown was where it?s 2 lane over the hills around Grants Pass where the semis try to pass each other :)) Of course the closer to Monday the worse it?s likely to get, but it may not be that bad. Wayne-depending on where your campground is, you might look at jumping to 99W at Junction City (near Eugene) which runs into Corvallis as opposed to Hwy 20 off of I-5. Up here in Portland there?s so far no ARES mass callout. Some ops were headed to Grant County to assist. I hear lots of folks are bailing out of traveling to the ?zone? so it may not be bad. Bend has gas, and there?s actually open spots in Madras. I may bike down to Aurora from Portland with the KX2 and a loop. Also Wayne if you have a chance get peaches and pears in Ashland at a roadside stand-you?ll never regret it and the best survival food :)) See y?all on 40 and/or 20 on Monday. Dan Presley N7CQR n7cqr at arrl.net > On Aug 18, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > On 8/18/2017 11:57 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > >> The local telephone services are installing many hundreds of portable >> "towers" to augment the regular cell towers. Even so, I won't be >> surprised if Wayne is correct: Amateur Radio may be the most reliable >> communications system. > > Those of us who know better know that no matter how many other COWS > (Cellsites-On-Wheels) are deployed, there's a finite number of circuits > that the landline switch can handle. I don't see them bringing in any > extra switches! > > Two major VHF/UHF clubs with repeaters all up and down the state are > linking all their machines, and the various county ARES units are on > standby to relay overflow requests for 9-1-1 assistance, as will be > state and local HF ARES units. Net control for this gigantic net will > be at Washington County Sheriff's Office -- which is NOT co-located with > the 9-1-1 Center. My ARES deployment is supposed to be at the 9-1-1 > Center (Washington County Consolidated Communications Agency) but > because of mobility limitations I will be standing by at home to do > cross-systems relays if necessary. > > One activity that has not received much attention in ham-dom is that > during the eclipse the ionospheric D-layer will disappear as it does at > night, and AM Broadcast signals will propagate as DX for an hour or so. > FCC Rules prohibit AM stations with different daytime and nighttime > parameters to operate nighttime with daytime parameters but this is one > exception (another is during a mandated FCC inspection). It's going to > be interesting. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > > Member, Washington County, OR > Emergency Communications Team > ARES/RACES AEC for Training > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7cqr at arrl.net From n6tv at arrl.net Fri Aug 18 22:01:38 2017 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Problem & Solution: K3 + Y-BOX + KPA500 + 4O3A Antenna Genius Message-ID: One of my Y-BOX customers, AMSAT President Barry Baines, WD4ASW, reported a problem when connecting the following devices in parallel to the ACC port of his Elecraft K3: 1. KAT500 / KPA500 2. RemoteRig Interface 3. 4O3A Antenna Genius (in "BCD" mode) Automatic band switching worked normally *until* he connected the Antenna Genius, a 2x8 combination band decoder and antenna switch (see http://www.4o3a.com/index.php/products/station-automation/antenna-genius/). Once connected, the KPA500 got "stuck" on 60m. If he disconnected everything *except* the Antenna Genius, it worked fine *until* the KAT500 / KPA500 was reconnected. Long story short, the Antenna Genius band decoder was drawing down each K3 band data line from +5V to +3V as soon as it was connected. In other words, this device, in BCD mode, cannot coexist with any other device that also uses the Band Data lines, such as a KPA500 or a Top Ten band decoder. Even a KPA500 in AUXBUS mode (Radio=K3), it still requires proper voltages on the band data lines to switch automatically. Switching the Antenna Genius to "Pin to Port" mode, and driving it with 12V signals from an external band decoder such as the Elecraft KRC2 or a Top Ten Devices Band Aide would have solved the problem, but Barry already had a band decoder built into his Antenna Genius antenna switch, and didn't want the expense of adding a yet another external device, or wiring up new cables. Switching everything via software was also rejected. To address this, I designed and built a prototype "Band Data Isolator" to isolate the Antenna Genius's band data pins from any other devices connected in parallel. Barry reports that it solved the problem. The isolator circuit requires about 12V, but uses very little current, so it can easily be powered from the K3's 12V DC output or a 13.8V station power supply. I am thinking of designing a new version of the Y-BOX to solve just such a use case. It would be a 1x4 accessory port splitter just like the original Y-BOX, but with one of the ports dedicated solely for the band data pins of the Antenna Genius. One of the RCA connectors would also be dedicated as a +12V DC input. If you think you might want one of these, please let me know (off list). The more interest I see, the more likely it is that I will design this new "Antenna Genius" version of the Y-BOX. It could also work for any other devices that cause similar problems when connected, though no other Y-BOX customer has reported a problem to me yet. Thanks to WD4ASW for helping me to debug and to resolve this interesting situation. Thanks also to 4O3A, 4O9ITT, W6FB and W2SC for advice and consulting. 73, Bob, N6TV n6tv at arrl.net https://bit.ly/Y-BOX From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Aug 18 22:18:52 2017 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 02:18:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Utility Program for K2 Message-ID: A couple of years ago I downloaded and used a utility program for the K2. It wasn?t as full-featured as the K3 and KX3 utilities, but it did allow for some limited remote control through the RS-232 with a KIO2 installed. I can no longer find it in my computer (maybe because it works only with Windows and these days I am using Mac); and I cannot find any mention of it on the Elecraft site. There is a reference to a privately-developed program called K2REMOTE, but the download site on the Internet just refers me back to Elecraft. As I recall it had one neat feature that allowed changing the power-on welcome screen from Elecraft to whatever one wanted to see . . . Anyone know where I can find this? I think I am not imagining it . . . Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From k2asp at kanafi.org Fri Aug 18 22:36:06 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <5CF1A506-C077-42E3-B6F8-2515A800D4E7@arrl.net> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> <7a997724-125f-5be8-033f-67c3fb42014b@kanafi.org> <5CF1A506-C077-42E3-B6F8-2515A800D4E7@arrl.net> Message-ID: <2d425076-79d1-a9a4-5524-485f902504aa@kanafi.org> On 8/18/2017 6:52 PM, Dan Presley wrote: > Up here in Portland there?s so far no ARES mass callout. I can't speak for Portland or Multnomah County but here in Washington County (next county west, home of Nike and Intel and others) assignments have been all given out at meetings, by e-mail messages, Winlink messages, and on nets (including those whose operators use Elecraft equipment). We're ready.-- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 Member, Washington County, OR Emergency Communications Team ARES/RACES AEC for Training From ks7d at verizon.net Fri Aug 18 22:51:53 2017 From: ks7d at verizon.net (Mike KS7D) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:51:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <2d425076-79d1-a9a4-5524-485f902504aa@kanafi.org> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> <7a997724-125f-5be8-033f-67c3fb42014b@kanafi.org> <5CF1A506-C077-42E3-B6F8-2515A800D4E7@arrl.net> <2d425076-79d1-a9a4-5524-485f902504aa@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <23F01178-725B-418F-BBF2-C8D9CBCB25E2@verizon.net> Same here in Jefferson County, OR. Mike Sent from my iPhone www.ks7d.com @ks7d > On Aug 18, 2017, at 7:36 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > >> On 8/18/2017 6:52 PM, Dan Presley wrote: >> >> Up here in Portland there?s so far no ARES mass callout. > > I can't speak for Portland or Multnomah County but here in Washington > County (next county west, home of Nike and Intel and others) assignments > have been all given out at meetings, by e-mail messages, Winlink > messages, and on nets (including those whose operators use Elecraft > equipment). We're ready.-- > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > Member, Washington County, OR > Emergency Communications Team > ARES/RACES AEC for Training > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ks7d at verizon.net From n7xy at n7xy.net Fri Aug 18 22:57:52 2017 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> Message-ID: <6c64a4f6-ede7-02ea-f86b-06dc34c5e201@n7xy.net> Suppose they gave an eclipse and nobody came. It would take an upgrade to make Godzilla a B-movie. 73, Bob N7XY On 8/18/17 5:12 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Jeez Ron, it sounds like the intro to one of those B-grade disaster > movies from my childhood. No one knows if Godzilla will show up. The > eclipse likely won't extend past the normal attention span of a > teenager ... then everyone needs to leave and return home. I do hope > the hams are ready if needed. > > OH, forgot ... there are those who take offense at calling Godzilla a > B-movie. I am truly sorry and I apologize. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 8/18/2017 11:57 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Other than I-5, Oregon's highways are one lane each way with few >> exceptions in more built up areas. As Eclipse viewers arrive, the >> roads fill up fast. Local news reported that one town in the eastern >> Willamette Valley had a 30 mile long bumper-to-bumper back up >> yesterday. I-5 should be moving at least. >> >> Here in Newport on the central Oregon coast (within the band of >> "totality"), traffic is heavy and growing worse by the day. People >> are being reminded that they may NOT camp on the beaches. Besides, we >> should have record high tides caused by the sun and moon tides >> converging on eclipse day. Many beaches will be under water. Lodging >> and camps are at full capacity. In spite of visitors being warned >> they will be fined, we expect to find roadsides that have any space >> and parking lots everywhere filled with campers and trailers. During >> the eclipse we expect to find vehicles just stopping in the road to >> watch, oblivious to the fact it stops traffic for as long as they sit >> there (that already happens from time to time every summer when >> people stop in the middle of the highway, get out of their vehicles, >> and take pictures (sigh...). >> >> The local telephone services are installing many hundreds of portable >> "towers" to augment the regular cell towers. Even so, I won't be >> surprised if Wayne is correct: Amateur Radio may be the most reliable >> communications system. >> >> Also, hundreds of additional ambulances are on scene to handle more >> emergencies, although whether they will be able to get where they >> need to go is in doubt. Many roads have NO shoulders where people can >> pull over. A deep drainage ditch runs down each side of most rural >> roads just off the edge of the pavement. >> >> A number of helicopter ambulances are arriving to help where >> emergency vehicles cannot reach. >> >> National Guard personnel are being dispatched to help with traffic in >> various locations and they have better off-road vehicles for places >> where the highways are jammed. >> >> One major concern locally is on the morning of the 21st when people >> here discover the sky is overcast (as it usually is on the coast this >> time of year- at least until noon) they will try to head east along >> US20, one lane each way through the 3,000 foot coastal mountains, to >> reach cloudless skies. >> >> Gas prices up over a dollar ($3.25 yesterday) and are sure to >> continue to rise as long as the pumps don't run dry. Gas is delivered >> from over the coastal mountains and it's likely that no new >> deliveries are being made before the crowds dissipate. >> >> Similarly, grocery store shelves are emptying out and may not be >> restocked before the eclipse. >> >> Our local water company is concerned about handling the load imposed >> by having 5 or 10 times the normal number of people using it. They >> recommend storing extra water now. >> >> Overall the emergency services point out that this is a great test of >> our readiness for the anticipated "Cascadia event" that we train for >> regularly including strong earthquakes, tsunami and no passable >> highways for several days at least. >> >> That may be, but August 22nd will be a great relief! >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 18 23:09:22 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:09:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help needed to control KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/18/2017 6:38 PM, Barry Simpson wrote: > I then needed to adapt the arrangements to get the KPA500 working from the > TS990 serial port at the same time. Hi Barry, You might want to re-think WHAT control of the KPA500 you need. The KPA500 is quite good at VERY quickly sensing the frequency of the RF driving it, and changing bands as required. The ONLY control I have been between my rig (a K3) and the power amp is the AMP KEY signal to put the KPA500 in TX mode. All that takes is an RCA cable between the rig and amp (as long as there's an RCA on the rig for AMP KEY), and if the rig's AMP KEY is on a different connector, a suitable adapter or cable with that connector one end and an RCA on the other. When I want to change bands, I simply give the amp a dit on CW or tap the mic on SSB, and the KPA500 is on the right band. I hope you know that ALC should NEVER be used as the primary control for output power, because that is a recipe for nasty distortion -- splatter on SSB, clicks on CW. Rather, we should ALWAYS set power by varying the output of the rig so that we get the desired power from the amp. My KPA will get to full power with 25-30W drive, depending on the band. 73, Jim K9YC From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 18 23:29:52 2017 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> Message-ID: <000301d3189b$6bf4a8f0$43ddfad0$@biz> It is what it is. The newscasts tonight said Oregon roads were unusually clear (with a few exceptions as noted). It appears the locals are trying to stay out of the way, but we do that here on the coast every summer so the tourists visiting can enjoy themselves, even when stopping traffic for a photo. We will see what happens Sunday and Monday. Like I said, "... August 22nd will be a great relief!" Compared to a great many "American" films, I liked Godzilla a lot. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:13 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? Jeez Ron, it sounds like the intro to one of those B-grade disaster movies from my childhood. No one knows if Godzilla will show up. The eclipse likely won't extend past the normal attention span of a teenager ... then everyone needs to leave and return home. I do hope the hams are ready if needed. OH, forgot ... there are those who take offense at calling Godzilla a B-movie. I am truly sorry and I apologize. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/18/2017 11:57 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Other than I-5, Oregon's highways are one lane each way with few exceptions in more built up areas. As Eclipse viewers arrive, the roads fill up fast. Local news reported that one town in the eastern Willamette Valley had a 30 mile long bumper-to-bumper back up yesterday. I-5 should be moving at least. > > Here in Newport on the central Oregon coast (within the band of "totality"), traffic is heavy and growing worse by the day. People are being reminded that they may NOT camp on the beaches. Besides, we should have record high tides caused by the sun and moon tides converging on eclipse day. Many beaches will be under water. Lodging and camps are at full capacity. In spite of visitors being warned they will be fined, we expect to find roadsides that have any space and parking lots everywhere filled with campers and trailers. During the eclipse we expect to find vehicles just stopping in the road to watch, oblivious to the fact it stops traffic for as long as they sit there (that already happens from time to time every summer when people stop in the middle of the highway, get out of their vehicles, and take pictures (sigh...). > > The local telephone services are installing many hundreds of portable "towers" to augment the regular cell towers. Even so, I won't be surprised if Wayne is correct: Amateur Radio may be the most reliable communications system. > > Also, hundreds of additional ambulances are on scene to handle more emergencies, although whether they will be able to get where they need to go is in doubt. Many roads have NO shoulders where people can pull over. A deep drainage ditch runs down each side of most rural roads just off the edge of the pavement. > > A number of helicopter ambulances are arriving to help where emergency vehicles cannot reach. > > National Guard personnel are being dispatched to help with traffic in various locations and they have better off-road vehicles for places where the highways are jammed. > > One major concern locally is on the morning of the 21st when people here discover the sky is overcast (as it usually is on the coast this time of year- at least until noon) they will try to head east along US20, one lane each way through the 3,000 foot coastal mountains, to reach cloudless skies. > > Gas prices up over a dollar ($3.25 yesterday) and are sure to continue to rise as long as the pumps don't run dry. Gas is delivered from over the coastal mountains and it's likely that no new deliveries are being made before the crowds dissipate. > > Similarly, grocery store shelves are emptying out and may not be restocked before the eclipse. > > Our local water company is concerned about handling the load imposed by having 5 or 10 times the normal number of people using it. They recommend storing extra water now. > > Overall the emergency services point out that this is a great test of our readiness for the anticipated "Cascadia event" that we train for regularly including strong earthquakes, tsunami and no passable highways for several days at least. > > That may be, but August 22nd will be a great relief! > > 73, Ron AC7AC > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Aug 19 05:27:40 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 02:27:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3s} VFO B Display Options Message-ID: <1503134860182-7633519.post@n2.nabble.com> I seems I keep disabling my ability to display multiple types of information on rotation of VFO B on my K3S. I must be reading the manual wrong on how to enable as I can't seem to do it right. Help appreciated. Goes in my personal K3S FAQ index of things to remember that I forget! Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-VFO-B-Display-Options-tp7633519.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ae4rm at ae4rm.com Sat Aug 19 07:23:27 2017 From: ae4rm at ae4rm.com (Roger Meadows) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:23:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 generating signal Message-ID: Today when operating QRP, the gentleman I was at the park with wanted to compare receiving a CW signal. We weren't comparing rigs but antennas. He had a FT 817. When he tuned to the frequency I was listening to it sounded like someone was tuning up on frequency on his radio. I changed frequencies and the noise went away. When I tuned back to where he was, it came back. We could only hear it on his radio but my KX3 was definitely generating the signal. This was on 40m around 7020. What would cause this? It does not seem normal. -- 73, Roger Meadows AE4RM From mike at ve3yf.com Sat Aug 19 07:50:19 2017 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:50:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV Y-Box For Sale In-Reply-To: <16F8EE7481E2431BB07CB2501F0B430F@z22z28> References: <16F8EE7481E2431BB07CB2501F0B430F@z22z28> Message-ID: Hi: Plans have changed and I no longer require a 2nd Y-Box. I have 1 x Brand New Y-Box For Sale Shipped $125 to Canada/USA. -- *73 De Mike* *VE3YF _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* From w2up at comcast.net Sat Aug 19 08:12:25 2017 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 05:12:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? Message-ID: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products all lumped in. Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick and choose topics of interest. Thoughts? Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instead-tp7633522.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 19 08:34:03 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 05:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2b8818e6-39c4-928b-65f1-a484031060fc@nk7z.net> I heartedly agree, at an average of around 1000 messages per month, it is getting very difficult to just hit delete, or filter out the vast number of OT messages... Having sub forums would be wonderful. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/19/2017 05:12 AM, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. > > Thoughts? > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instead-tp7633522.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From ve3iay at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 09:00:25 2017 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:00:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 generating signal Message-ID: The KX3 is a direct-conversion transceiver, not a superhet. The behaviour you observed is normal with any direct-conversion receiver. The local oscillator operates directly on the signal frequency and can be heard in a nearby receiver. 73, Rich VE3KI AE4RM wrote: > Today when operating QRP, the gentleman I was at the park with wanted to > compare receiving a CW signal. We weren't comparing rigs but antennas. He > had a FT 817. > > When he tuned to the frequency I was listening to it sounded like someone > was tuning up on frequency on his radio. I changed frequencies and the > noise went away. When I tuned back to where he was, it came back. We could > only hear it on his radio but my KX3 was definitely generating the signal. > > This was on 40m around 7020. > > What would cause this? It does not seem normal. From ae5x at juno.com Sat Aug 19 09:00:32 2017 From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:00:32 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? Message-ID: <20170819.080032.18663.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily summary email... A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly) at the list of messages here: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ _______________________ >It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products all lumped in. ____________________________________________________________ 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods" Nucific http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc From stevesgt at effable.com Sat Aug 19 09:02:59 2017 From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 06:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6a737205-b9b6-acc2-6d67-064af4193b8e@effable.com> Like other email lists which convert to a forum, it would change the whole character of the group and interactions. In my mind it would make it less social, less friendly, and fewer people would bother to share their knowledge and experience. I would only visit such a forum if I had my own specific question to ask or problem to solve; I wouldn't think to just cruise it to look for ways to help others. The answer to the problem you describe is for people to get real email clients with filtering and threading, and to learn how to use them. Even with Thunderbird, which is just an OK email client, I can easily manage to volume on this list. I filter all messages to its own separate mailbox, and they age-off (are deleted) automatically when they're older than about six weeks. On 8/19/17 5:12 AM, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. > > Thoughts? > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instead-tp7633522.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stevesgt at effable.com > From rich at wc3t.us Sat Aug 19 09:00:11 2017 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:00:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Therein lies the age old conundrum. Do you use a "pull" mechanism (a forum) requiring a subscriber to go get the information from the site, or a "push" mechanism where the data shows up in the inbox? I've been both a forum admin (even a sysop at CompuServe) and an email admin, so I've dealt with both. If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox, the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do). This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the community. On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 08:12 Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. > > Thoughts? > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instead-tp7633522.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- --- 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), Rich Hurd / WC3T DMR ID: 3142737 Northampton County RACES EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From KY5G at montac.com Sat Aug 19 09:16:53 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:16:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <356b4380-d958-037d-18e8-7974489d14f8@montac.com> I've enjoyed the reflector approach. The forum would allow for more classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. > > Thoughts? > > Barry W2UP From ww3s at zoominternet.net Sat Aug 19 09:21:03 2017 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:21:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <356b4380-d958-037d-18e8-7974489d14f8@montac.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <356b4380-d958-037d-18e8-7974489d14f8@montac.com> Message-ID: where's the LIKE Button ?!?!?!1 -----Original Message----- From: Clay Autery Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:16 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? I've enjoyed the reflector approach. The forum would allow for more classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more > traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. > > Thoughts? > > Barry W2UP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ww3s at zoominternet.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 09:28:25 2017 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:28:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Meh ? I use several forums for a range of topics I have an interest in ? ham and not ham ? they also have their plusses and minuses. And I fully agree that conversion to a forum structure will significantly alter the kind of interaction that takes place. I subscribe to several active reflectors, and don?t feel much sympathy for folks who complain about how difficult it makes their lives to sort through their inbox from just this ONE ;-) Most of the time It isn?t very busy on a relative basis :-) And like other comments, once I have to actually visit a forum because I've shut down the feed on individual messages, or just occasionally visit the archives of a reflector to see what?s been going on, it?s a good sign I?m losing interest and eventually just drop out. > If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox, > the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've > done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change > to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do). > > This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I > guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the > community. > > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 19 09:43:28 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 06:43:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Respectfully-- of course there will be a change. As KX3 owners move to the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the entire feel of the list will change. That was, I believe, the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support. Soapbox mode on: Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes... Soapbox mode off 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sat Aug 19 09:58:27 2017 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:58:27 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 generating signal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3e4b8f17-20f9-4f8f-ce97-95b250f03827@horizon.co.fk> Not quite the full story, so no cigar. From the KX3 Owners Manual p49 "RF band-pass filters": Following the band pass filters and T/R switching are two RF preamplifiers and an attenuator. These provide various tradeoffs between RF gain and noise figure (or MDS), as well as local oscillator (LO) isolation. The latter would be useful in situations where another receiver in close proximity could be tuned to the same frequency. A problem inherent in most direct conversion (zero IF) receivers is that some LO energy leaks to the antenna and is radiated. This can be a problem when another receiver & antenna is in very close proximity and is tuned to the same frequency. The isolation preamp in the KX3 (RX ISO menu entry) virtually eliminates this signal leakage. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 19/08/2017 10:00, Richard Ferch wrote: > The KX3 is a direct-conversion transceiver, not a superhet. The behaviour > you observed is normal with any direct-conversion receiver. The local > oscillator operates directly on the signal frequency and can be heard in a > nearby receiver. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > AE4RM wrote: > >> Today when operating QRP, the gentleman I was at the park with wanted to >> compare receiving a CW signal. We weren't comparing rigs but antennas. He >> had a FT 817. >> >> When he tuned to the frequency I was listening to it sounded like someone >> was tuning up on frequency on his radio. I changed frequencies and the >> noise went away. When I tuned back to where he was, it came back. We > could >> only hear it on his radio but my KX3 was definitely generating the signal. >> >> This was on 40m around 7020. >> >> What would cause this? It does not seem normal. From kd9hl at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 10:04:28 2017 From: kd9hl at yahoo.com (Steve Mollman) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? References: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096@mail.yahoo.com> Another vote for a Forum format.? I use forums for several specialty/collector cars.? MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me.? Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward. Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it down.? It is time to update this to the 21st century.? For a company that prides itself on customer service and "friendliness" the present method is a failure. | | Virus-free. www.avg.com | From a45wg at sy-edm.com Sat Aug 19 10:05:29 2017 From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:05:29 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches. I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro programming. Regards to all Tim, A45WG > On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > > Respectfully-- of course there will be a change. As KX3 owners move to the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the entire feel of the list will change. That was, I believe, the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support. > > Soapbox mode on: > > Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes... > > Soapbox mode off > > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 19 10:13:57 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 07:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1490498648.970241.1503151468096@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: While I whole heartedly agree the forum needs looking at, it is after all Elecraft's forum, and as such, they get to do with it as they please.... I will be happy with any result, but I would be happier with a forum change. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/19/2017 07:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote: > Another vote for a Forum format. I use forums for several specialty/collector cars. MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me. Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward. > > Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it down. It is time to update this to the 21st century. For a company that prides itself on customer service and "friendliness" the present method is a failure. > > > | | Virus-free. www.avg.com | > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 19 10:19:03 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 07:19:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like Macros, sub to a a third forum... That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject lines. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/19/2017 07:05 AM, a45wg wrote: > I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches. > > I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro programming. > > Regards to all > > Tim, A45WG > > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> >> Respectfully-- of course there will be a change. As KX3 owners move to the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the entire feel of the list will change. That was, I believe, the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support. >> >> Soapbox mode on: >> >> Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes... >> >> Soapbox mode off >> >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From john at kk9a.com Sat Aug 19 10:36:47 2017 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:36:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? Message-ID: <001201d318f8$967851a0$c368f4e0$@com> I concur. I also read the archives and it just saved me from deleting the three dozen eclipse posts that have nothing to do with Elecraft. Unfortunately I do not see a good way to search the archives, it is quite easy to do with the lists on contesting.com. John KK9A John AE5X wrote: Sat Aug 19 09:00:32 EDT 2017 I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily summary email... A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly) at the list of messages here: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ _______________________ From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sat Aug 19 10:40:43 2017 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:40:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <001201d318f8$967851a0$c368f4e0$@com> References: <001201d318f8$967851a0$c368f4e0$@com> Message-ID: <59984DEB.3080204@roadrunner.com> I really like the format on Antique Radios: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/ 73, Roger From phil.anderson at invades.net Sat Aug 19 10:49:18 2017 From: phil.anderson at invades.net (Philip Anderson) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:49:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6039510f-626d-242c-fb2b-13c9c66ac1e4@invades.net> I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to only discussing technical questions with Elecraft products. I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox. I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum. phil G4PWO On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. > > Thoughts? > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instead-tp7633522.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phil.anderson at invades.net From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 10:49:44 2017 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:49:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums ? one for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# used only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking? It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters to the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren?t interested in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their door that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn?t personally interesting? In the end I suppose it doesn?t really matter whether it?s a reflector or a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I?d probably read the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn?t have their personal navel in the subject line. The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and just adds to the queue length ? last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I was pulling high G?s in a jet trainer :-) > > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like Macros, sub to a a third forum... > > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject lines. > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From mike at ve3yf.com Sat Aug 19 10:58:46 2017 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:58:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV Y-Box For Sale (Sold) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90a872a0-0bc8-785d-9557-2a05b1a5ec59@ve3yf.com> Y-Box has been sold. Tnx Mike -- *73 De Mike* *VE3YF _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* From mbower at bbunch.org Sat Aug 19 10:58:58 2017 From: mbower at bbunch.org (Michael Bower) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:58:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read and/or delete. I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages. They are in my mailbox. On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums ? one > for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# used > only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking? > > It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters to > the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren?t interested > in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their > life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their door > that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they > wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that > wasn?t personally interesting? > > In the end I suppose it doesn?t really matter whether it?s a reflector or > a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I?d probably read > the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when > there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn?t have their > personal navel in the subject line. > > The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, > and just adds to the queue length ? last time I had that kind of tunnel > vision I was pulling high G?s in a jet trainer :-) > > > > > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests > you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like Macros, > sub to a a third forum... > > > > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a > KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set > because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject > lines. > > > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mbower at bbunch.org > From va3mw at portcredit.net Sat Aug 19 11:00:26 2017 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <6039510f-626d-242c-fb2b-13c9c66ac1e4@invades.net> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <6039510f-626d-242c-fb2b-13c9c66ac1e4@invades.net> Message-ID: Email works for me. Easy to delete. Easy to search. Easy to catalog. The advantage of using Gmail. Zero Spam. It gets pushed to me and I don't have to go looking for it. Mike va3mw On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Philip Anderson wrote: > I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume > list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to only > discussing technical questions with Elecraft products. > > > I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like > to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox. > > > I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate > lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was > preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum. > > > phil G4PWO > > > > On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote: > >> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more >> traffic. >> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products >> all lumped in. >> >> Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every >> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick >> and choose topics of interest. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Barry W2UP >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabb >> le.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instea >> d-tp7633522.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phil.anderson at invades.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 19 11:07:10 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:07:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63717415-ead5-8790-3fd9-c24766db7cfd@nk7z.net> Hello Grant, On 08/19/2017 07:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums ? one for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# used only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking? You appear to be creating intentionally obfuscated conditions in which you can make something appear to not work... Forums have worked for decades... > It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters to the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren?t interested in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their door that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn?t personally interesting? If the Internet were a Newspaper then your argument would hold some validity, it is however not a newspaper, so your analogy fails, as does your argument. Again, the custom obfuscated conditions to make a point... > In the end I suppose it doesn?t really matter whether it?s a reflector or a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I?d probably read the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn?t have their personal navel in the subject line. You get what you want, to see all posts, and others get what they want to be able to sort posts... Good idea!! > The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and just adds to the queue length ? last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I was pulling high G?s in a jet trainer :-) Sigh... Insulting people for making suggestions is probably not the way to win them over to your point... A reasoned argument is better. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net From ajzadiraka at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 11:16:05 2017 From: ajzadiraka at gmail.com (Allan Zadiraka) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:16:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the current setup. Separate forums would mean I would have to go to multiple places to follow the different products. The Elecraft traffic is a minor part of my daily email load (~500/day) and I am interested in seeing trends on other Elecraft products in case I want to evaluate purchasing one. zeke ab8ou On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Michael Bower wrote: > I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read > and/or delete. I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages. They > are in my mailbox. > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN > wrote: > > > Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums ? one > > for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# > used > > only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking? > > > > It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters > to > > the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren?t > interested > > in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their > > life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their > door > > that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they > > wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff > that > > wasn?t personally interesting? > > > > In the end I suppose it doesn?t really matter whether it?s a reflector or > > a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I?d probably > read > > the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when > > there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn?t have > their > > personal navel in the subject line. > > > > The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, > > and just adds to the queue length ? last time I had that kind of tunnel > > vision I was pulling high G?s in a jet trainer :-) > > > > > > > > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests > > you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like > Macros, > > sub to a a third forum... > > > > > > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with > a > > KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set > > because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject > > lines. > > > > > > > Grant NQ5T > > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to mbower at bbunch.org > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ajzadiraka at gmail.com > From nick at n6ol.us Sat Aug 19 11:17:36 2017 From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:17:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on Message-ID: I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set things up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode. Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me something useful, or is this behavior unexpected? Nick -- *N6OL* Saying something doesn't make it true. Belief in something doesn't make it real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not worth supporting. From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 11:41:11 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:41:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wayne, Eric, Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now. Please, no changes. 73 K0PP N7HKW From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 19 11:43:34 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01c34c19-1e35-5814-3d64-e369512d89d2@triconet.org> Grant is right on. As I said in the last one of these discussions, "What's all the fuss about?" If there is a change, please, please, please don't go to Yahoo or Google groups. They are pathetic. Wes N7WS On 8/19/2017 7:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums ? one for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# used only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking? > > It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters to the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren?t interested in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their door that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn?t personally interesting? > > In the end I suppose it doesn?t really matter whether it?s a reflector or a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I?d probably read the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn?t have their personal navel in the subject line. > > The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and just adds to the queue length ? last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I was pulling high G?s in a jet trainer :-) > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 19 11:46:24 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:46:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D5FC256-2AE4-4CB3-B7DB-730FCA5F508B@elecraft.com> Hi Nick, Adjust RF gain max clockwise (-0 dB). RF gain (actually loss) level is indicated by a segment on the S-meter. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: > > I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set things > up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now > constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode. > > Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me > something useful, or is this behavior unexpected? > > Nick > > -- > *N6OL* > Saying something doesn't make it true. Belief in something doesn't make it > real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not > worth supporting. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From nick at n6ol.us Sat Aug 19 11:49:43 2017 From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:49:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on In-Reply-To: <4D5FC256-2AE4-4CB3-B7DB-730FCA5F508B@elecraft.com> References: <4D5FC256-2AE4-4CB3-B7DB-730FCA5F508B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Got it, thank you! I guess I was pretty far behind and just missed this one. Now that I know what it means, it's quite a useful reminder! Nick On Aug 19, 2017 10:46 AM, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: > Hi Nick, > > Adjust RF gain max clockwise (-0 dB). RF gain (actually loss) level is > indicated by a segment on the S-meter. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > > > On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: > > > > I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set > things > > up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now > > constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode. > > > > Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me > > something useful, or is this behavior unexpected? > > > > Nick > > > > -- > > *N6OL* > > Saying something doesn't make it true. Belief in something doesn't make > it > > real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not > > worth supporting. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > From w2up at comcast.net Sat Aug 19 11:51:29 2017 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:51:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1503157889511-7633551.post@n2.nabble.com> No, you wouldn't have to go to multiple places. You click your Bookmark for the Elecraft forum - one place. If you like to see EVERYTHING that's new, you click the New Posts button. If you are only interested in the K3, you click the K3 subforum that is a link on the main main of the Elecraft forum. When you're done, you click Mark All Forums Read, and next time you log in, you see what's new. Search is very easy and customizable - by subject, author, title, date range, etc. That alone would cut down on considerable traffic, as the same questions wouldn't be repeated over and over. It's very easy. I read probably half a dozen forums (mostly non-ham) and it's a part of my morning routine. It's a lot less time consuming and cumbersome than reading through emails, filters or not. Of course, the final decision resides with the Elecraft powers-that-be. It surprises me that such a customer-friendly and state-of-the-art group hasn't already taken this step. Just food for thought... Barry W2UP Allan Zadiraka wrote > Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the > current > setup. Separate forums would mean I would have to go to multiple places > to > follow the different products. The Elecraft traffic is a minor part of my > daily email load (~500/day) and I am interested in seeing trends on other > Elecraft products in case I want to evaluate purchasing one. > > zeke > ab8ou -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instead-tp7633522p7633551.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Aug 19 11:52:04 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56C4E5D0-5BDD-4B5C-B80D-77CB300C8849@widomaker.com> You have the RF gain control set to a value less than zero. It's an indicator to give you a gain reference since there is no printed scale or even a dedicated control for it. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 19, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: > > I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set things > up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now > constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode. > > Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me > something useful, or is this behavior unexpected? > > Nick > > -- > *N6OL* > Saying something doesn't make it true. Belief in something doesn't make it > real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not > worth supporting. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From aj9c at indy.rr.com Sat Aug 19 11:52:23 2017 From: aj9c at indy.rr.com (Mike Kasrich) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and N1MM+ SSB Messages Message-ID: I am wanting to use N1MM+ to send messages but I am getting an error message. I was told KY codes could be used the same as cw but apparently I am not well versed in such codes. I am getting an error "invalid recording filename, abort". Any clues to what I am overlooking? From jc_ki7y at q.com Sat Aug 19 11:53:08 2017 From: jc_ki7y at q.com (Jim Cassidy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1839743276.2173435.1503157988703.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> I agree with Ken. If the traffic is kept to a minimum as expressed by Eric when threads become too long the current reflector is OK. I assume as well the main purpose is to stay on topic on Elecraft equipment issues and not the straying way off topic. 73 Jim KI7Y ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken G Kopp" To: "Elecraft" Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:41:11 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? Wayne, Eric, Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now. Please, no changes. 73 K0PP N7HKW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jc_ki7y at q.com -- Jim Cassidy KI7Y From w5jv at hotmail.com Sat Aug 19 11:53:50 2017 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:53:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum Message-ID: I'm probably alone in this but I disagree. Most people do not own most of the Elecraft products and many subscribers do not own any products at all but are here to observe & learn. We don't even know what to be interested in yet and this list gives us a way to expose ourselves to the information we need to make decisions as well as to observe how people who do own products are faring. It's quite nice to be able to ask questions even though we might not own the product. And where else do you ever see product management give their regular & helpful support? I subscribe to the digest mode and get two, sometimes three, digests a day. The summary at the top quickly shows the subject of each message and at that point I can delete the whole thing if nothing down further needs reading. The only drawback I find is that a forgetful "reply" message can send the whole blasted thing back to the list inconveniencing everyone one but I think that is not a big problem right now. I also like the wide mix of topics as it keeps me informed and tells me about products, events & things that on a forum I would never see unless I wandered through a forum going from one branch to another for no reason at all. That seems silly. While I can understand the attraction to a neat, clean, focused input of only what one is interested in and can only surmise that if this list seems unmanageable, it is probably because the digest mode is not being used. If you haven't used it, sacrifice the need to be a first responder to "the day's bargain ad" and relax a little. There's plenty to go around and the Elecraft list is a great connection to the real world and many of its most talented people. Cheers, Doug W5JV From sbralr at cox.net Sat Aug 19 11:59:02 2017 From: sbralr at cox.net (Steve & Anne Ray) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:59:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Control Software Message-ID: <001a01d31904$13f89c60$3be9d520$@net> I have been using Dan's KE6D K2 program for years. It is easy to use, and works great. The link for Dan's page is http://www.qsl.net/ke6d/ 73, Steve K4JPN From richard at lamont.me.uk Sat Aug 19 12:02:34 2017 From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:02:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2b23bae5-6ead-6067-da4b-bedf68cedd27@lamont.me.uk> On 19/08/17 13:12, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. With respect, I disagree. This email list is easy enough to manage if you use a decent email client, such as Thunderbird. I read 19 different lists and groups this way, some of them high volume like this one. For each list, I have filters that automatically sort incoming messages into one of 19 folders, leaving just non-list stuff in my default inbox. I then view the lists in 'threaded' mode, and if there's a thread I'm not following, or if I haven't got time to read the list at all that day, I just 'mark thread as read' or 'mark all as read'. A web forum does none of this, and you can only go through the messages as fast as the forum's web server will let you. It's a thoroughly inferior way of working. That said, I wish this list was restricted to Elecraft-related topics only - there's far too much noise IMHO. 73, Richard G4DYA From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Sat Aug 19 12:04:21 2017 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 12:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <01c34c19-1e35-5814-3d64-e369512d89d2@triconet.org> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> <01c34c19-1e35-5814-3d64-e369512d89d2@triconet.org> Message-ID: <6fa63c00-e0b5-a12e-dd47-84a36d6436ab@hvc.rr.com> Agreed X10! I like this reflector personally. 73! Tom - KB2SMS KX2 #01927 On 08/19/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Grant is right on. > > As I said in the last one of these discussions, "What's all the fuss > about?" > > If there is a change, please, please, please don't go to Yahoo or > Google groups. They are pathetic. > > Wes N7WS From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk Sat Aug 19 12:08:36 2017 From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:08:36 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I like the list as is, but moderation could be tweaked perhaps. I subscribe (and learn from) several tens of lists. I am subscribed to a few fora, but very rarely visit them. Keep the list as is! a45wg wrote: > I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft > products. I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum > approaches. > > I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I will I ever buy one (Got the > KX3!!)- but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, > the same goes for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters > and Macro programming. > > Regards to all > > Tim, A45WG > > > -- Brian D G3VGZ Yarm England From kkinderen at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 12:18:18 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 12:18:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? In-Reply-To: <1839743276.2173435.1503157988703.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1839743276.2173435.1503157988703.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: You can't get a group of hams together and not sway from the topic. Impossible. And people will live happier lives if they understand this. Hams talk, talk, talk and talk. Even their salutations after a good QSO can drag on because they don't want to stop talking. Personally, I think that's a good thing. It's a natural fit. I could live with either this mail list or with a bulletin board type forum with "categories" but really, this is good enough for me. With categories I would have to read multiple sections to get in on all the action. I do wish there was a way to easily move off the list for long, drawn out or off topic discussions and in fact I kind of think there is. An air conditioning conversation started out on this thread and moved off to a small group sharing information by email. Turns out it is a very useful conversation. Once you're on that list of people interested in a particular subject it is kind of hard to get out of it because everyone would have to remove you from their reply. One person doesn't and you're right back in the conversation. But still a solution for this list. It does get rough sometimes but when I start seeing a long thread that doesn't interest me I just keep in mind... it obviously interests someone else and I shouldn't try to shut them down (see below). I'm not the moderator and really, I don't like rules that much anyway. Apologies... I've added snarky comments to long, OT threads in the past. Not good. Sorry. 73, Kev K4VD On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Jim Cassidy wrote: > I agree with Ken. If the traffic is kept to a minimum as expressed by > Eric when threads become too long the current reflector is OK. > I assume as well the main purpose is to stay on topic on Elecraft > equipment issues and not the straying way off topic. > > 73 > Jim KI7Y > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken G Kopp" > To: "Elecraft" > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:41:11 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? > > Wayne, Eric, > > Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now. Please, no changes. > > 73 > > K0PP > N7HKW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jc_ki7y at q.com > > -- > Jim Cassidy > > KI7Y > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com > From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Sat Aug 19 12:19:42 2017 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham Kimbell) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:19:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets? In-Reply-To: <000301d3189b$6bf4a8f0$43ddfad0$@biz> References: <2D537CB4-01D4-4A7A-B0D7-C73736E85557@elecraft.com> <0fff79b2-6b01-27b9-08ee-aaa1502cb021@montac.com> <000301d31853$d7231870$85694950$@biz> <000301d3189b$6bf4a8f0$43ddfad0$@biz> Message-ID: <5998651E.4040702@g3tct.co.uk> Interesting geography lesson from all the comments. I saw the eclipse (I think it was in 1999) in France and it was great. I took a telescope and projected the image onto some card - that was a hit with the locals. The French police stopped all the traffic on the autoroutes, fearing someone would try to watch it whilst driving, or be unable to adapt to the darkness. No problems apart from some cloud. Enjoy the day! Graham From pincon at erols.com Sat Aug 19 12:19:57 2017 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 12:19:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004501d31907$031ca230$0955e690$@erols.com> Don't change a thing... Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:41 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? Wayne, Eric, Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now. Please, no changes. 73 K0PP N7HKW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Aug 19 12:32:12 2017 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:32:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? Message-ID: <54C837B3-E99E-48C7-AD5E-358DD9115827@law.du.edu> I agree with Grant and others. There are advantages to a Forum, but I would regret losing the open-textured character of a reflector. I think of it as if it were an OTA net among friends and colleagues and potential friends and colleagues with common interests. Not always very efficient, but a conversational nexus with its own advantages. If I need something very specific there?s always the topical archives. Or a question to the goup. Ted, KN1CBR From ebasilier at cox.net Sat Aug 19 12:43:33 2017 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <403b700b-3e2e-9198-5d78-e6af6f887bf2@nk7z.net> <8B70AB17-DF02-404A-9207-B1CAA36DDFFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <032a01d3190a$4bd0aa50$e371fef0$@cox.net> I have my email client set up automatically to move *all* messages from this list to one folder. Right now I have enough spare time to go to that folder every day and read what interests me. I guess that is similar to reading the digest. At times when I am very busy, I just don't look at the Elecraft folder at all. My inbox doesn't show anything from this list. Sure, I might miss an important piece of news about a new product, or an important new feature, etc, but seriously, if I am really busy, I am better off not knowing about those things. When I again have more time available, I can easily go back to the Elecraft folder, and read it all, or just search for interesting keywords. Faster and more convenient than using the archives. The folder takes up a lot of disk space, but that is cheap nowadays. My conclusion: The list is fine as it is. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:51 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? No, you wouldn't have to go to multiple places. You click your Bookmark for the Elecraft forum - one place. If you like to see EVERYTHING that's new, you click the New Posts button. If you are only interested in the K3, you click the K3 subforum that is a link on the main main of the Elecraft forum. When you're done, you click Mark All Forums Read, and next time you log in, you see what's new. Search is very easy and customizable - by subject, author, title, date range, etc. That alone would cut down on considerable traffic, as the same questions wouldn't be repeated over and over. It's very easy. I read probably half a dozen forums (mostly non-ham) and it's a part of my morning routine. It's a lot less time consuming and cumbersome than reading through emails, filters or not. Of course, the final decision resides with the Elecraft powers-that-be. It surprises me that such a customer-friendly and state-of-the-art group hasn't already taken this step. Just food for thought... Barry W2UP Allan Zadiraka wrote > Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the > current setup. Separate forums would mean I would have to go to > multiple places to follow the different products. The Elecraft > traffic is a minor part of my daily email load (~500/day) and I am > interested in seeing trends on other Elecraft products in case I want > to evaluate purchasing one. > > zeke > ab8ou -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a- forum-instead-tp7633522p7633551.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net From lwright.dr at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 12:53:59 2017 From: lwright.dr at gmail.com (Lawrence Wright) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:53:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] List serve or forum? Message-ID: Appreciate all the comments. This approach works just fine for me. In fact it is much faster to read. Forums are also excellent but require more work to maintain and honestly, I really don't want to log into something else. Larry Ke7ukw Lawrence Wright, PhD From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 19 13:13:43 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:13:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4357a56e-907e-48f2-6639-bd629d6c0b92@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/19/2017 8:53 AM, Doug Hensley wrote: > I subscribe to the digest mode and get two, sometimes three, digests a day. I subscribe to nearly two dozen email reflectors. Always individual emails. Most are to my pop-mail accounts, for which I use Thunderbird. For a few that are yahoo groups, I use yahoo mail. Thunderbird and yahoo mail are easy to set up with a mailbox for each reflector, and, should you want to do so, to even sort on key words. Once, many years ago, I tried digest mode while I was out of the country on vacation. I HATED it, because it was so difficult to manage. With individual messages, it's easy to use my delete key while saving those posts I want to keep as references. I've occasionally visited forums to look things up, but never return. I would be very unlikely to read a forum unless I had a problem to solve. 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Aug 19 13:15:54 2017 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:15:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? Message-ID: <201708191715.v7JHFvbj008799@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Ain't broke so why fix it? I subscribe via the digest as it keeps all Elecraft related e-mail in single e-mail instead of spread throughout my in-basket. I subscribe to many other reflectors so I do not need this one segmented into many sub-lists. Do that and I will unsubscribe. I'm mainly here to keep up on Elecraft equipment topics. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From phil.anderson at invades.net Sat Aug 19 13:36:36 2017 From: phil.anderson at invades.net (Philip Anderson) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:36:36 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft -I have unsubscribed Message-ID: <3e7964f4-7587-e0ce-af66-476c9fce09a9@invades.net> After being overwhelmed with the number of emails (ironically most recently, on the topic of changing the list to make it more manageable) I have unsubscribed from this list. I will re-subscribe if Elecraft change the system so that I'm no longer inundated with emails that are off-topic regarding my specific interest in Elecraft products. I suggest at very least splitting the list into a low volume (Elecraft support questions ONLY) and a high volume chit-chat list for Elecraft fans so that those only interest in messages directly related to their Elecraft product can avoid all the irrelevant chit-chat. In answer to the people who tell me that I just need to manage the list properly using filters, folders and threading on my email client - I already do that on my home computer, but try doing all of that on an iPhone email client. Also, try picking up that 1 essential business email over a really slow cellular connection when your phone is determined to download 1,000's of irrelevant chatter and arguments from this list before it lets you download the essential email. Thanks for the help I received earlier in the week with my actual KX3 related question :-) 73 phil G4PWO From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 19 13:43:33 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse update Message-ID: We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far. 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a lot with QRM. Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 19 14:03:49 2017 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:03:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft -I have unsubscribed In-Reply-To: <3e7964f4-7587-e0ce-af66-476c9fce09a9@invades.net> References: <3e7964f4-7587-e0ce-af66-476c9fce09a9@invades.net> Message-ID: <1A2F1F37-A457-42D6-8C51-C7D2384B2D97@yahoo.co.uk> Phil, I setup filtering on Yahoo for the Elecraft list and then can read it whenever I have time on my iPhone or iPad, it works perfectly. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 19 Aug 2017, at 18:36, Philip Anderson wrote: > > After being overwhelmed with the number of emails (ironically most recently, on the topic of changing the list to make it more manageable) I have unsubscribed from this list. > > I will re-subscribe if Elecraft change the system so that I'm no longer inundated with emails that are off-topic regarding my specific interest in Elecraft products. > > I suggest at very least splitting the list into a low volume (Elecraft support questions ONLY) and a high volume chit-chat list for Elecraft fans so that those only interest in messages directly related to their Elecraft product can avoid all the irrelevant chit-chat. > > In answer to the people who tell me that I just need to manage the list properly using filters, folders and threading on my email client - I already do that on my home computer, but try doing all of that on an iPhone email client. > > Also, try picking up that 1 essential business email over a really slow cellular connection when your phone is determined to download 1,000's of irrelevant chatter and arguments from this list before it lets you download the essential email. > > Thanks for the help I received earlier in the week with my actual KX3 related question :-) > > 73 > > phil G4PWO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From bruce.rosen at rcn.com Sat Aug 19 14:04:33 2017 From: bruce.rosen at rcn.com (K1FFX) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:04:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Utility Program for K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1503165873088-7633570.post@n2.nabble.com> Have a look at http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm, about 1/2 down the page. ----- Bruce Rosen K1FFX K2/100 6982 KSB2 KAT100-1 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Computer-Utility-Program-for-K2-tp7633514p7633570.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rpfjeld at outlook.com Sat Aug 19 14:09:57 2017 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:09:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? In-Reply-To: <004501d31907$031ca230$0955e690$@erols.com> References: , <004501d31907$031ca230$0955e690$@erols.com> Message-ID: Ditto Rich, n0ce Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:24 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change? Don't change a thing... Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:41 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? Wayne, Eric, Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now. Please, no changes. 73 K0PP N7HKW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat Aug 19 14:22:04 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:22:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2fe3c3c2-5fe6-80ed-fa07-9f6a652ee07e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Oh, please don't. A "push" technology, like E-Mail means that more of us will participate. Web Based forums are a "pull" -- one has to be dedicated enough to go to the forum. It slows the tempo and reduces participation. It isn't a magic bullet. People still post in forum sections off topic. Before I retired, I ran an ISP and did E-Mail professionally, including mail filtering. The greatest tool I found is called PopFile. PopFile can, with a minimal amount of work, split out mail by product mentioned. You don't have to figure out what keywords to use, you just have to move mail that is mis-classified to the right place. Takes a couple of days worth of mail to train to 90% accuracy or so, and not long after before it's near 99%. 73 -- Lynn On 8/19/2017 5:12 AM, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. > It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > > Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every > product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick > and choose topics of interest. > > Thoughts? > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Make-this-email-list-more-manageable-a-forum-instead-tp7633522.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kx3.1 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat Aug 19 14:34:36 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:34:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1490498648.970241.1503151468096@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ... and while we're on the topic of updating to the 21st century, Morse Code goes back to the 19th century. We really are way past time to do away with this archaic system of dots and dashes and move to 21st century technology. See how foolish that sounds? Seriously folks. I've been on much busier lists. If you are using a web-based mail system like Yahoo or GMail, I can see how it might be a little inconvenient to just hit "delete." There are Bayesian Filter classifiers that are incredibly accurate, that would split this list out by topic dramatically well. PopFile will even reach out from your computer, using IMAP, and classify mail in your Yahoo or GMail account! 73 -- Lynn On 8/19/2017 7:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote: > It is time to update this to the 21st century. From severyn46 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 19 14:40:46 2017 From: severyn46 at hotmail.com (John Severyn) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:40:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? In-Reply-To: References: <004501d31907$031ca230$0955e690$@erols.com> Message-ID: Ditto. I like it the way it is. Filtering is easy-peasy with any number of mailers. I use Thunderbird, but most have similar capabilities. 73 John AF6QO On 8/19/2017 11:09 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Ditto > > Rich, n0ce > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Charlie T, K3ICH > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:24 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change? > > Don't change a thing... > > Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:41 AM > To: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change? > > Wayne, Eric, > > Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now. Please, no changes. > > 73 > > K0PP > N7HKW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to severyn46 at hotmail.com > From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 19 14:53:21 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:53:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: References: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1490498648.970241.1503151468096@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <146ea46f-42a2-77dd-528e-bcdad1eab86c@subich.com> Argh! I will lose access to Elecraft if they move to a "forum". ALL of my work is done with a traditional e-mail program - I can not abide the online "forum" software and have dropped various list when they transitioned to web only forums. A quality traditional e-mail program provides all the tools necessary to filter incoming e-mail based on source (e.g. "Elecraft list") as well as topic/content (e.g., "Subject" or "Body" contains K3 or K3S). Anyone using a quality e-mail program has all the tools necessary to create his own off-line "forum" experience. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/19/2017 10:13 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > While I whole heartedly agree the forum needs looking at, it is after > all Elecraft's forum, and as such, they get to do with it as they > please.... > > I will be happy with any result, but I would be happier with a forum > change. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 08/19/2017 07:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote: >> Another vote for a Forum format.? I use forums for several >> specialty/collector cars.? MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the >> subjects that interest me.? Using Nabble to find information is time >> consuming and very awkward. >> >> ? Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention >> several times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it >> down.? It is time to update this to the 21st century.? For a company >> that prides itself on customer service and "friendliness" the present >> method is a failure. >> >> >> |? | Virus-free. www.avg.com? | >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sat Aug 19 16:01:32 2017 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (GWK) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:01:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <146ea46f-42a2-77dd-528e-bcdad1eab86c@subich.com> References: <1490498648.970241.1503151468096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1490498648.970241.1503151468096@mail.yahoo.com> <146ea46f-42a2-77dd-528e-bcdad1eab86c@subich.com> Message-ID: <7d0af441-f3db-30c3-8f28-d95e60da8df3@ilstu.edu> Keep the list as at present.? Filter on "Subject = [Elecraft] " will put the entire list into a file of your choice.? If we could get everyone to include the rig model in their subject line, we could be more specific, but of course we probably can't do that. 73 - George? W3HBM From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Aug 19 16:28:32 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:28:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <54C837B3-E99E-48C7-AD5E-358DD9115827@law.du.edu> References: <54C837B3-E99E-48C7-AD5E-358DD9115827@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <3291858E-22F1-43A5-8CC6-AF21AB4D6AB3@wunderwood.org> I?m not a big fan of forums, even though I maintained the one used by 5000 engineers at Hewlett-Packard. I don?t mind the e-mail volume at all. On the other hand, I was getting a thousand e-mails a week thirty years ago. The SOTA reflector is a list/forum hybrid where you need to log into the forum to post. It has some advantages, but it isn?t my favorite. One old mailing list trick is to have separate lists for announcements and for discussion. People who want less traffic could keep up to date by following the announce list. elecraft-announce would be low-volume and could only be posted to by Elecraft personnel. It would have announcements of new products, special deals, firmware releases, field tester requests, and so on. It might also include information about hamfests Elecraft will attend, requests for people to staff the booth (replies off list enforced), etc. elecraft-discuss would be like the current list. Elecraft could decide whether to also send announcements to this list. I would be perfectly happy to subscribe to both lists in order to get announcements and discussion. The IETF uses this convention for mailing lists. You can read more here: https://www.ietf.org/list/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > I agree with Grant and others. There are advantages to a Forum, but I would regret losing the open-textured character of a reflector. I think of it as if it were an OTA net among friends and colleagues and potential friends and colleagues with common interests. Not always very efficient, but a conversational nexus with its own advantages. > > If I need something very specific there?s always the topical archives. Or a question to the goup. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From alang0hiq at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 16:25:24 2017 From: alang0hiq at yahoo.com (Alan Bee) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] List or Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1919945901.1108726.1503174324944@mail.yahoo.com> I have no emails, browser mode only, look daily, works well. Only downside is I scan list for items of interest, maybe reply so might reply to a thread closed in the last 24 hours having not yet seen the closure notice.If more of us move to browser I guess there could be a couple more excess posts but only 1 days's worth.My 'vote' is keep the list.73? Alan? G0HIQ From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 16:30:56 2017 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:30:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Eclipse update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B205DF2-8A3E-4609-91A0-7D1C7F0080C0@gmail.com> Sitting here in Corvallis now. Stopped by Eugene for a while and traffic not an issue on I-5 or anywhere we went. -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Aug 19, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > > We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. > > Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far. > > 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a lot with QRM. > > Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) > > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 3 > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From rbiggar at ihug.co.nz Sat Aug 19 16:36:16 2017 From: rbiggar at ihug.co.nz (Ross) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:36:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribing Message-ID: I have tried to unsubscribe, but it obviously did not happen. I have sold my K3 so I dont need all the emails. Best wishes to the group Ross ZL1WN From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Aug 19 16:40:01 2017 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] List or Forum In-Reply-To: <1919945901.1108726.1503174324944@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1919945901.1108726.1503174324944@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89229c42-01a5-ba14-517b-a928af230804@nycap.rr.com> Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed. Bill W2BLC K-Line -- Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do without. - John Dolan From solimeno at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 16:42:28 2017 From: solimeno at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:42:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 unresponsive Message-ID: After doing a re-alignment of my K2 ser. #3218 yesterday I started to play on the air and suddenly my KAT2 would no longer tune to my buddipole antenna. In fact, the ATU menu is now inaccessible. When entering the menu system and selecting the ATU submenu, the only display is "--" while rotating the VFO or using Band+/Band- to change menu options. I removed the KAT2 assembly and looked at all components but did not see anything obviously smoked, so I'm at a loss of what might be wrong. The tuner was working fine yesterday and earlier today, and then after one press of the "Tune" button on the front panel it is no longer functional. Help appreciated! Best regards, Bob Solimeno KC2JAV From lrahnz at garlic.com Sat Aug 19 17:06:42 2017 From: lrahnz at garlic.com (Logan Zintsmaster) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:06:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from Beaufort to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around Columbia otherwise smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will see it over an hour before us, I'm looking forward to some early first hand reports. Logan, KZ6O > On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. > > Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far. > > 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a lot with QRM. > > Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lrahnz at garlic.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Aug 19 17:21:49 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] List or Forum In-Reply-To: <89229c42-01a5-ba14-517b-a928af230804@nycap.rr.com> References: <1919945901.1108726.1503174324944@mail.yahoo.com> <89229c42-01a5-ba14-517b-a928af230804@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <11BF0191-C701-4F73-9B38-A4B10512EA26@widomaker.com> God. Will it ever end? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Bill wrote: > > Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > -- > Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what > we can do without. - John Dolan > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Aug 19 17:32:34 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] List or Forum In-Reply-To: <11BF0191-C701-4F73-9B38-A4B10512EA26@widomaker.com> References: <1919945901.1108726.1503174324944@mail.yahoo.com> <89229c42-01a5-ba14-517b-a928af230804@nycap.rr.com> <11BF0191-C701-4F73-9B38-A4B10512EA26@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <7d7d5e25-a668-3706-aaa9-d084af9e2d31@triconet.org> No. On 8/19/2017 2:21 PM, Nr4c wrote: > God. Will it ever end? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 19 19:15:43 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:15:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? Message-ID: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary. I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com From alan at wilcoxengineering.com Sat Aug 19 20:23:02 2017 From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:23:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others Message-ID: <156A6ABA-0B39-4598-A5EB-6450ADC8F478@wilcoxengineering.com> Hello, Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2, whatever? I?ll build any of them. Does your K2 need repair? Tuneup? In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago. See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure -- are at http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ Cheers, Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40) 570-478-0736 (cell, text) http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox Williamsport, PA 17701 From phystad at mac.com Sat Aug 19 20:47:13 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:47:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <8FD4F57C-DE38-4D9C-A0D6-9C7EAF1F62EE@mac.com> I can?t believe you still use non-conductive pillows. It is hard to think of you in the same way anymore. PEH > On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. > > My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. > > The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary. > > I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From kevinr at coho.net Sat Aug 19 21:47:08 2017 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:47:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <351f47e2-426e-2f3c-69eb-8838be93d547@coho.net> Good Evening, I must have been two or three years old when I first really experienced radio.? I was seated high enough so I could see the back of our little Emerson radio.? My mom turned it on and I watched the tubes turning orange.? The odd sounds of a warming up radio and then music came out.? The scent of hot tubes mixed with the smells of my father's construction: saw dust and pitch.? Mom told me how the waves in the air fed the radio.? DX from all the way across town!? From then on I listened to that radio and my brother's shortwave rig all I could.? I was hooked.? The magic of waves from the air making music from far away, what an adventure. Please join us tomorrow on: ?? 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ??? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) ??? 73, ??????? Kevin. KD5ONS - From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 19 22:01:05 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:01:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 unresponsive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, The '--' in the ATU menu means that the KAT2 firmware is not being seen by the K2 MCU. Take a good look at the point where the control cable is attached to the KAT2 control board - look for broken wires. Do the same for the header that plugs to K2 Control Board P4. Make certain the header which plugs into K2 Control Board P4 is installed correctly - the green wire should be at the top. 73, Don W3FPR tuner was working fine yesterday and earlier today, and then after one > press of the "Tune" button on the front panel it is no longer functional. From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Aug 19 22:23:48 2017 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:23:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) In-Reply-To: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> References: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887@roadrunner.com> How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start driving around 3 AM local. 73, matt, W6NIA On 08/18/2017 01:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 0900Z. > > Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Voignier] From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Aug 19 22:35:44 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:35:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86784084-af2d-3527-f0a3-ee9f85606e10@foothill.net> First hand very very early report:? Bright sun, very round.? Semicircular black disk begins to cover the sun, more and more, eventually just a teeny tiny speck of the limb remains and is very bright, then night.? Then the video tape runs backwards and it's day again.? If clouds, it just gets dark, then day-ish again.? Given the physics, they're all exactly alike, and will be for perhaps 600 million years when the last one will occur.? Like snowflakes ... seen one you've seen 'em all, notwithstanding the urban legend that every one is different. We'd still have driven to Oregon if it would have worked out. [:-) On 8/19/2017 2:06 PM, Logan Zintsmaster wrote: > We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from Beaufort to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around Columbia otherwise smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will see it over an hour before us, I'm looking forward to some early first hand reports. > > Logan, KZ6O > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. >> >> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far. >> >> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a lot with QRM. >> >> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lrahnz at garlic.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Aug 19 23:04:36 2017 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:04:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse update In-Reply-To: <86784084-af2d-3527-f0a3-ee9f85606e10@foothill.net> References: <86784084-af2d-3527-f0a3-ee9f85606e10@foothill.net> Message-ID: <18afd958-af97-287e-1695-d7c490666a07@coho.net> Make sure to have your old pots and pans ready.? If the eclipse is lasting too long you can scare the dragon into spitting out the sun by banging on them loudly.? Belt & suspenders for the ECOM folks. ??? 73, ???????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 8/19/2017 7:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > First hand very very early report:? Bright sun, very round. > Semicircular black disk begins to cover the sun, more and more, > eventually just a teeny tiny speck of the limb remains and is very > bright, then night.? Then the video tape runs backwards and it's day > again.? If clouds, it just gets dark, then day-ish again. Given the > physics, they're all exactly alike, and will be for perhaps 600 > million years when the last one will occur.? Like snowflakes ... seen > one you've seen 'em all, notwithstanding the urban legend that every > one is different. > > We'd still have driven to Oregon if it would have worked out. [:-) > > > On 8/19/2017 2:06 PM, Logan Zintsmaster wrote: >> We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from >> Beaufort to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around >> Columbia otherwise smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will >> see it over an hour before us, I'm looking forward to some early >> first hand reports. >> >> Logan, KZ6O >> >>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting >>> that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. >>> >>> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking >>> good so far. >>> >>> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my >>> QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch >>> and filtering helped a lot with QRM. >>> >>> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> http://www.elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lrahnz at garlic.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From ron at cobi.biz Sat Aug 19 23:07:08 2017 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:07:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) In-Reply-To: <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887@roadrunner.com> References: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <002d01d31961$695b2760$3c117620$@biz> So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here: https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start driving around 3 AM local. 73, matt, W6NIA From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 19 23:12:59 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) In-Reply-To: <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887@roadrunner.com> References: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <6BFB03EA-4F93-4408-B951-17245E5E124F@elecraft.com> We're already in Corvallis! ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 19, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > > How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start > driving around 3 AM local. > > 73, > > matt, W6NIA > > >> On 08/18/2017 01:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 0900Z. >> >> Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > > -- > "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein > > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > [Voignier] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 19 23:18:12 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) In-Reply-To: <002d01d31961$695b2760$3c117620$@biz> References: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887@roadrunner.com> <002d01d31961$695b2760$3c117620$@biz> Message-ID: <1DD4C27F-EE69-40C6-AF89-5D975F9E0A83@elecraft.com> We're in Corvallis now. Perfect WX. I'm warming up the KX2 for emcomm and/or entertainment purposes. There's an official beer garden with bluegrass band 100 yards from here, so there may indeed be rescues to assist in. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are > quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest > place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! > > Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here: > > https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp > > Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". > > I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the > coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east > he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) > > How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start > driving around 3 AM local. > > 73, > > matt, W6NIA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From awinger2011 at icloud.com Sat Aug 19 23:38:20 2017 From: awinger2011 at icloud.com (Albert Winger) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 21:38:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) In-Reply-To: <1DD4C27F-EE69-40C6-AF89-5D975F9E0A83@elecraft.com> References: <24CDEB85-1C6E-4B7B-8E25-CD18885FCF38@elecraft.com> <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887@roadrunner.com> <002d01d31961$695b2760$3c117620$@biz> <1DD4C27F-EE69-40C6-AF89-5D975F9E0A83@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1890FADC-2733-441F-9D63-7207544B8915@icloud.com> Arrived in Buford,WY. Very light traffic through Denver. Many more eclipsers due tomorrow. Saw plates from 10 states. Hope to catch you all on net tomorrow. 73 Al W1NGA Colorado Springs > On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > We're in Corvallis now. Perfect WX. > > I'm warming up the KX2 for emcomm and/or entertainment purposes. There's an official beer garden with bluegrass band 100 yards from here, so there may indeed be rescues to assist in. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> >> So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are >> quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest >> place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! >> >> Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here: >> >> https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp >> >> Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". >> >> I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the >> coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east >> he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer >> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) >> >> How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start >> driving around 3 AM local. >> >> 73, >> >> matt, W6NIA >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to awinger2011 at icloud.com From mikefurrey at att.net Sat Aug 19 23:50:51 2017 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 03:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <8FD4F57C-DE38-4D9C-A0D6-9C7EAF1F62EE@mac.com> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> <8FD4F57C-DE38-4D9C-A0D6-9C7EAF1F62EE@mac.com> Message-ID: <1742847371.945645.1503201051876@mail.yahoo.com> ?A friend bought a HiQ to put on his own car. His wife took one look at it and said, "OH HELL NO!" It now resides on my pickup. Stealth and mobile are two words that don't go together. 73, Mike WA5POK On Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:49 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: I can?t believe you still use non-conductive pillows.? It is hard to think of you in the same way anymore. PEH > On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. > > My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. > > The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary.? > > I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 23:52:31 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 06:52:31 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to form either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might not work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive things. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 20 Aug 2017 02:15, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as > the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna > that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. > > My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 > foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on > our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of > nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their > dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and > is then retained by the passenger-side visor. > > The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this > morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if > necessary. > > I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not > the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. > > Wayne N6KR > > ---- http://www.elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Aug 20 00:21:40 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 21:21:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36475cdc-5b2b-bd4a-f550-541ff9ae4234@foothill.net> My end-fed wire on the wooden fence 1.8 meters AGL works pretty good.? 6 over 6 over 6 monobanders would do better [by actual test, they do [:-) ], but RF current in a non-buried conductor will radiate. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/19/2017 8:52 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to > form either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might > not work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive > things. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 20 Aug 2017 02:15, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as >> the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna >> that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. >> >> My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 >> foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on >> our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of >> nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their >> dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and >> is then retained by the passenger-side visor. >> >> The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this >> morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if >> necessary. >> >> I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not >> the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. >> >> Wayne N6KR >> >> ---- http://www.elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > From doug at w7kf.com Sun Aug 20 00:26:47 2017 From: doug at w7kf.com (Doug Smith) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:26:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51340367-968E-488A-82E2-2072D5E572CE@w7kf.com> Yes, I was thinking along the same lines ? that copper ?conductive tape? stuff. It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look like stylish racing stripes! http://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Conductive-Copper-Foil-Tape-3313?N=5002385+3293242553&rt=rud https://www.kaptontape.com/Copper_Conductive_Tapes.php 73, Doug, W7KF > On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:52 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > > I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to form either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might not work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive things. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From alhanzl at comcast.net Sun Aug 20 07:56:24 2017 From: alhanzl at comcast.net (Al Hanzl) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 07:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DC2AD1-BC64-4727-97FE-62DA87C15FFE@comcast.net> Currently On road to Carbondale, Illinois to see totality. Hoping everyone has a clear view. 73 Al K2AL Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2017, at 12:27 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? (GWK) > 2. Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? > (Walter Underwood) > 3. Re: List or Forum (Alan Bee) > 4. Re: [Elecraft_K3] Eclipse update (Mike Flowers) > 5. unsubscribing (Ross) > 6. Re: List or Forum (Bill) > 7. KAT2 unresponsive (Bob) > 8. Re: Eclipse update (Logan Zintsmaster) > 9. Re: List or Forum (Nr4c) > 10. Re: List or Forum (Wes Stewart) > 11. Mobile antenna breakthrough? (Wayne Burdick) > 12. Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others (Alan D. Wilcox) > 13. Re: Mobile antenna breakthrough? (Phil Hystad) > 14. Elecraft CW Net Announcement (kevinr at coho.net) > 15. Re: KAT2 unresponsive (Don Wilhelm) > 16. Re: N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) (Matt Zilmer) > 17. Re: Eclipse update (Fred Jensen) > 18. Re: Eclipse update (kevinr at coho.net) > 19. Re: N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) (Ron D'Eau Claire) > 20. Re: N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) (Wayne Burdick) > 21. Re: N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) (Wayne Burdick) > 22. Re: N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) (Albert Winger) > 23. Re: Mobile antenna breakthrough? (Mike Furrey) > 24. Re: Mobile antenna breakthrough? (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) > 25. Re: Mobile antenna breakthrough? (Fred Jensen) > 26. Re: Mobile antenna breakthrough? (Doug Smith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:01:32 -0400 > From: GWK > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum > instead? > Message-ID: <7d0af441-f3db-30c3-8f28-d95e60da8df3 at ilstu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Keep the list as at present.? Filter on "Subject = [Elecraft] " will put > the entire list into a file of your choice.? If we could get everyone to > include the rig model in their subject line, we could be more specific, > but of course we probably can't do that. > > 73 - George? W3HBM > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:28:32 -0700 > From: Walter Underwood > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum > instead? > Message-ID: <3291858E-22F1-43A5-8CC6-AF21AB4D6AB3 at wunderwood.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I?m not a big fan of forums, even though I maintained the one used by 5000 engineers at Hewlett-Packard. I don?t mind the e-mail volume at all. On the other hand, I was getting a thousand e-mails a week thirty years ago. The SOTA reflector is a list/forum hybrid where you need to log into the forum to post. It has some advantages, but it isn?t my favorite. > > One old mailing list trick is to have separate lists for announcements and for discussion. People who want less traffic could keep up to date by following the announce list. > > elecraft-announce would be low-volume and could only be posted to by Elecraft personnel. It would have announcements of new products, special deals, firmware releases, field tester requests, and so on. It might also include information about hamfests Elecraft will attend, requests for people to staff the booth (replies off list enforced), etc. > > elecraft-discuss would be like the current list. Elecraft could decide whether to also send announcements to this list. I would be perfectly happy to subscribe to both lists in order to get announcements and discussion. > > The IETF uses this convention for mailing lists. You can read more here: https://www.ietf.org/list/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> >> I agree with Grant and others. There are advantages to a Forum, but I would regret losing the open-textured character of a reflector. I think of it as if it were an OTA net among friends and colleagues and potential friends and colleagues with common interests. Not always very efficient, but a conversational nexus with its own advantages. >> >> If I need something very specific there?s always the topical archives. Or a question to the goup. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:25:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: Alan Bee > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum > Message-ID: <1919945901.1108726.1503174324944 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have no emails, browser mode only, look daily, works well. > Only downside is I scan list for items of interest, maybe reply so might reply to a thread closed in the last 24 hours having not yet seen the closure notice.If more of us move to browser I guess there could be a couple more excess posts but only 1 days's worth.My 'vote' is keep the list.73? Alan? G0HIQ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:30:56 -0700 > From: Mike Flowers > To: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com > Cc: Elecraft , KX3 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Eclipse update > Message-ID: <2B205DF2-8A3E-4609-91A0-7D1C7F0080C0 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sitting here in Corvallis now. Stopped by Eugene for a while and traffic not an issue on I-5 or anywhere we went. > > > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: >> >> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. >> >> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far. >> >> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a lot with QRM. >> >> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: Wayne Burdick >> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) >> >> Have you tried the highest rated email app? >> With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >> >> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 3 >> ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use >> . >> >> >> __,_._,___ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:36:16 +0000 > From: Ross > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribing > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 > > I have tried to unsubscribe, but it obviously did not happen. > I have sold my K3 so I dont need all the emails. > Best wishes to the group > Ross > ZL1WN > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:40:01 -0400 > From: Bill > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum > Message-ID: <89229c42-01a5-ba14-517b-a928af230804 at nycap.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > -- > Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what > we can do without. - John Dolan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:42:28 -0400 > From: Bob > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 unresponsive > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > After doing a re-alignment of my K2 ser. #3218 yesterday I started to play > on the air and suddenly my KAT2 would no longer tune to my buddipole > antenna. In fact, the ATU menu is now inaccessible. When entering the menu > system and selecting the ATU submenu, the only display is "--" while > rotating the VFO or using Band+/Band- to change menu options. > > I removed the KAT2 assembly and looked at all components but did not see > anything obviously smoked, so I'm at a loss of what might be wrong. The > tuner was working fine yesterday and earlier today, and then after one > press of the "Tune" button on the front panel it is no longer functional. > > Help appreciated! > > Best regards, > > Bob Solimeno KC2JAV > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:06:42 -0400 > From: Logan Zintsmaster > Cc: Elecraft , KX3 , > elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse update > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from Beaufort to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around Columbia otherwise smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will see it over an hour before us, I'm looking forward to some early first hand reports. > > Logan, KZ6O > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. >> >> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far. >> >> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a lot with QRM. >> >> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lrahnz at garlic.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:21:49 -0400 > From: Nr4c > To: Bill > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum > Message-ID: <11BF0191-C701-4F73-9B38-A4B10512EA26 at widomaker.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > God. Will it ever end? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Bill wrote: >> >> Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> >> >> -- >> Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what >> we can do without. - John Dolan >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:32:34 -0700 > From: Wes Stewart > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum > Message-ID: <7d7d5e25-a668-3706-aaa9-d084af9e2d31 at triconet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > No. > >> On 8/19/2017 2:21 PM, Nr4c wrote: >> God. Will it ever end? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:15:43 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft > Cc: KX3 , Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? > Message-ID: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009 at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. > > My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. > > The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary. > > I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:23:02 -0400 > From: "Alan D. Wilcox" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others > Message-ID: > <156A6ABA-0B39-4598-A5EB-6450ADC8F478 at wilcoxengineering.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, > > Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2, whatever? > I?ll build any of them. > > Does your K2 need repair? Tuneup? > > In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago. > > See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at > http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 > > Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure -- are at > http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ > > Cheers, > Alan > > Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40) > 570-478-0736 (cell, text) > http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox > Williamsport, PA 17701 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:47:13 -0700 > From: Phil Hystad > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft , KX3 , > Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? > Message-ID: <8FD4F57C-DE38-4D9C-A0D6-9C7EAF1F62EE at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I can?t believe you still use non-conductive pillows. It is hard to think of you in the same way anymore. > > PEH > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. >> >> My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. >> >> The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary. >> >> I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:47:08 -0700 > From: "kevinr at coho.net" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement > Message-ID: <351f47e2-426e-2f3c-69eb-8838be93d547 at coho.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Good Evening, > > I must have been two or three years old when I first really experienced > radio.? I was seated high enough so I could see the back of our little > Emerson radio.? My mom turned it on and I watched the tubes turning > orange.? The odd sounds of a warming up radio and then music came out.? > The scent of hot tubes mixed with the smells of my father's > construction: saw dust and pitch.? Mom told me how the waves in the air > fed the radio.? DX from all the way across town!? From then on I > listened to that radio and my brother's shortwave rig all I could.? I > was hooked.? The magic of waves from the air making music from far away, > what an adventure. > > Please join us tomorrow on: > ?? 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) > ??? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) > > ??? 73, > ??????? Kevin. KD5ONS > > - > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:01:05 -0400 > From: Don Wilhelm > To: Bob , elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 unresponsive > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Bob, > > The '--' in the ATU menu means that the KAT2 firmware is not being seen > by the K2 MCU. > > Take a good look at the point where the control cable is attached to the > KAT2 control board - look for broken wires. > Do the same for the header that plugs to K2 Control Board P4. > > Make certain the header which plugs into K2 Control Board P4 is > installed correctly - the green wire should be at the top. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > tuner was working fine yesterday and earlier today, and then after one >> press of the "Tune" button on the front panel it is no longer functional. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:23:48 -0700 > From: Matt Zilmer > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) > Message-ID: <502826cd-9548-638d-81bd-ab3928ebe887 at roadrunner.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start > driving around 3 AM local. > > 73, > > matt, W6NIA > > >> On 08/18/2017 01:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 0900Z. >> >> Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > > -- > "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein > > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > [Voignier] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:35:44 -0700 > From: Fred Jensen > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse update > Message-ID: <86784084-af2d-3527-f0a3-ee9f85606e10 at foothill.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > First hand very very early report:? Bright sun, very round.? > Semicircular black disk begins to cover the sun, more and more, > eventually just a teeny tiny speck of the limb remains and is very > bright, then night.? Then the video tape runs backwards and it's day > again.? If clouds, it just gets dark, then day-ish again.? Given the > physics, they're all exactly alike, and will be for perhaps 600 million > years when the last one will occur.? Like snowflakes ... seen one you've > seen 'em all, notwithstanding the urban legend that every one is different. > > We'd still have driven to Oregon if it would have worked out. [:-) > > >> On 8/19/2017 2:06 PM, Logan Zintsmaster wrote: >> We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from Beaufort to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around Columbia otherwise smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will see it over an hour before us, I'm looking forward to some early first hand reports. >> >> Logan, KZ6O >> >>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. >>> >>> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far. >>> >>> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a lot with QRM. >>> >>> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> http://www.elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lrahnz at garlic.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:04:36 -0700 > From: "kevinr at coho.net" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse update > Message-ID: <18afd958-af97-287e-1695-d7c490666a07 at coho.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Make sure to have your old pots and pans ready.? If the eclipse is > lasting too long you can scare the dragon into spitting out the sun by > banging on them loudly.? Belt & suspenders for the ECOM folks. > > ??? 73, > > ???????? Kevin.? KD5ONS > > >> On 8/19/2017 7:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> First hand very very early report:? Bright sun, very round. >> Semicircular black disk begins to cover the sun, more and more, >> eventually just a teeny tiny speck of the limb remains and is very >> bright, then night.? Then the video tape runs backwards and it's day >> again.? If clouds, it just gets dark, then day-ish again. Given the >> physics, they're all exactly alike, and will be for perhaps 600 >> million years when the last one will occur.? Like snowflakes ... seen >> one you've seen 'em all, notwithstanding the urban legend that every >> one is different. >> >> We'd still have driven to Oregon if it would have worked out. [:-) >> >> >>> On 8/19/2017 2:06 PM, Logan Zintsmaster wrote: >>> We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from >>> Beaufort to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around >>> Columbia otherwise smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will >>> see it over an hour before us, I'm looking forward to some early >>> first hand reports. >>> >>> Logan, KZ6O >>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> >>>> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting >>>> that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. >>>> >>>> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking >>>> good so far. >>>> >>>> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my >>>> QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch >>>> and filtering helped a lot with QRM. >>>> >>>> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP.... >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> http://www.elecraft.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to lrahnz at garlic.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:07:08 -0700 > From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" > To: "'Matt Zilmer'" , > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) > Message-ID: <002d01d31961$695b2760$3c117620$@biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are > quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest > place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! > > Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here: > > https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp > > Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". > > I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the > coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east > he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) > > How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start > driving around 3 AM local. > > 73, > > matt, W6NIA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:12:59 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Matt Zilmer > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) > Message-ID: <6BFB03EA-4F93-4408-B951-17245E5E124F at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > We're already in Corvallis! > > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> >> How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start >> driving around 3 AM local. >> >> 73, >> >> matt, W6NIA >> >> >>> On 08/18/2017 01:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 0900Z. >>> >>> Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ---- >>> http://www.elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com >> >> -- >> "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein >> >> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >> [Voignier] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:18:12 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Ron D'Eau Claire > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) > Message-ID: <1DD4C27F-EE69-40C6-AF89-5D975F9E0A83 at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > We're in Corvallis now. Perfect WX. > > I'm warming up the KX2 for emcomm and/or entertainment purposes. There's an official beer garden with bluegrass band 100 yards from here, so there may indeed be rescues to assist in. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> >> So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are >> quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest >> place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! >> >> Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here: >> >> https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp >> >> Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". >> >> I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the >> coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east >> he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer >> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) >> >> How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start >> driving around 3 AM local. >> >> 73, >> >> matt, W6NIA >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 21:38:20 -0600 > From: Albert Winger > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) > Message-ID: <1890FADC-2733-441F-9D63-7207544B8915 at icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Arrived in Buford,WY. Very light traffic through Denver. Many more eclipsers due tomorrow. Saw plates from 10 states. > > Hope to catch you all on net tomorrow. > > 73 > Al > W1NGA > Colorado Springs > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> We're in Corvallis now. Perfect WX. >> >> I'm warming up the KX2 for emcomm and/or entertainment purposes. There's an official beer garden with bluegrass band 100 yards from here, so there may indeed be rescues to assist in. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> >>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> >>> So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are >>> quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest >>> place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! >>> >>> Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here: >>> >>> https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp >>> >>> Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". >>> >>> I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the >>> coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east >>> he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer >>> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now) >>> >>> How's the traffic? Reports here are such that you might want to start >>> driving around 3 AM local. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> matt, W6NIA >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to awinger2011 at icloud.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 03:50:51 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mike Furrey > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? > Message-ID: <1742847371.945645.1503201051876 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ?A friend bought a HiQ to put on his own car. His wife took one look at it and said, "OH HELL NO!" It now resides on my pickup. > > Stealth and mobile are two words that don't go together. > 73, Mike WA5POK > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:49 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > > I can?t believe you still use non-conductive pillows.? It is hard to think of you in the same way anymore. > > PEH > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. >> >> My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. >> >> The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary.? >> >> I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 06:52:31 +0300 > From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? > Message-ID: <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to form > either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might not > work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive things. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > >> On 20 Aug 2017 02:15, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as >> the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna >> that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. >> >> My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 >> foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on >> our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of >> nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their >> dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and >> is then retained by the passenger-side visor. >> >> The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this >> morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if >> necessary. >> >> I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not >> the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. >> >> Wayne N6KR >> >> ---- http://www.elecraft.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 21:21:40 -0700 > From: Fred Jensen > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? > Message-ID: <36475cdc-5b2b-bd4a-f550-541ff9ae4234 at foothill.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > My end-fed wire on the wooden fence 1.8 meters AGL works pretty good.? 6 > over 6 over 6 monobanders would do better [by actual test, they do [:-) > ], but RF current in a non-buried conductor will radiate. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 8/19/2017 8:52 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >> I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to >> form either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might >> not work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive >> things. >> >> 73, >> Victor, 4X6GP >> Rehovot, Israel >> Formerly K2VCO >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> >>> On 20 Aug 2017 02:15, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as >>> the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna >>> that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage. >>> >>> My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 >>> foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on >>> our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of >>> nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their >>> dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and >>> is then retained by the passenger-side visor. >>> >>> The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this >>> morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if >>> necessary. >>> >>> I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not >>> the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. >>> >>> Wayne N6KR >>> >>> ---- http://www.elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:26:47 -0600 > From: Doug Smith > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? > Message-ID: <51340367-968E-488A-82E2-2072D5E572CE at w7kf.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Yes, I was thinking along the same lines ? that copper ?conductive tape? stuff. > > It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look like stylish racing stripes! > > http://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Conductive-Copper-Foil-Tape-3313?N=5002385+3293242553&rt=rud > > https://www.kaptontape.com/Copper_Conductive_Tapes.php > > 73, > Doug, W7KF > > >> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:52 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >> >> I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to form either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might not work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive things. >> >> 73, >> Victor, 4X6GP >> Rehovot, Israel >> Formerly K2VCO >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 27 > ***************************************** From anyone1545 at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 08:00:28 2017 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Raymond) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 08:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse Message-ID: <39314908-4F96-42FD-9345-E6631227A3EB@gmail.com> Taking plane to Greenwood South Carolina to see eclipse. No radios since they are too heavy Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPhone From n4zr at comcast.net Sun Aug 20 08:13:44 2017 From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 08:13:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? Message-ID: <45725b27-1f80-b701-4878-6ccd8b780d21@comcast.net> I'm really surprised that I haven't seen this topic overand over on the reflector.? The K3 is getting long in the tooth, the KX3 already incorporates much of the more modern receiver technology, and we know the people at Elecraft aren't sitting around twiddling their thumbs. So unless the topic gets shut down, what would *you* like to see in a K4? -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at , now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. From radioprincegeorge at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 09:02:30 2017 From: radioprincegeorge at gmail.com (Don Pomplun) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Forum, reflector, digest . . . Message-ID: I get the digest format, scan the topics and generally just hit delete. The included messages are numbered with their subject shown. If I see something of possible interest, it's clumsy to have to scroll down to find that message number. It would be much nicer if those subject lines were clickable links to the whole message. Of course, that's a function of the qth.net folks, I guess. If anyone has their ear, they might suggest that as a new feature. Don K2BIO From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 10:23:09 2017 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Report from Casper. References: <1528233042.1062189.1503238989390.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1528233042.1062189.1503238989390@mail.yahoo.com> Roads were light yesterday and campgrounds were empty. Morning is bright and blue. ?Doug K6JEY? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From david at g4dmp.co.uk Sun Aug 20 11:31:49 2017 From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:31:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing Message-ID: Regrettably, after 17 years as a member of this group I am now unsubscribing as nowadays there are so few messages of relevance to those of us in the UK and the developed world. Any queries I have on Elecraft products will be made by direct mail to Eric, Wayne, Don and to Elecraft support. 73 to all David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From n6363l at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 11:37:07 2017 From: n6363l at gmail.com (Steve Silverman) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:37:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS LP Pan 2 Message-ID: Brand new in box. Perfect for Win4K3Suite panadapter display. Includes pre-amp in -2 model. $150 shipped to US. Steve KB3SII ... .. .. From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 20 12:08:03 2017 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:08:03 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, To me it is one of the charms of this list, that we get to read what is happening in the US of A over here. I can skip anything that doesn't interest me, as all my Elecraft stuff is auto filtered into a folder on my phone, tablet, Mac. I for one enjoy reading about things that I know I can never do , travel or hike across wilderness, own a huge RV or truck and kit it out with radio gear. See the total eclipse, tried that once in England, I can confirm it gets very dark, but that it also gets very very wet. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 20 Aug 2017, at 16:31, David Pratt wrote: > > Regrettably, after 17 years as a member of this group I am now > unsubscribing as nowadays there are so few messages of relevance to > those of us in the UK and the developed world. > > Any queries I have on Elecraft products will be made by direct mail to > Eric, Wayne, Don and to Elecraft support. > > 73 to all > > David G4DMP > > -- > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | > | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From bbaines at mac.com Sun Aug 20 12:38:51 2017 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 12:38:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave & Dave: > On Aug 20, 2017, at 12:08 PM, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote: > > David, > > To me it is one of the charms of this list, that we get to read what is happening in the US of A over here. I can skip anything that doesn't interest me, as all my Elecraft stuff is auto filtered into a folder on my phone, tablet, Mac. > > I for one enjoy reading about things that I know I can never do , travel or hike across wilderness, own a huge RV or truck and kit it out with radio gear. See the total eclipse, tried that once in England, I can confirm it gets very dark, but that it also gets very very wet. Part of the challenge of managing a ?service? such as the Elecraft list is that there needs to be a balance between those that signed up because of a specific interest (Elecraft) and those that are more accommodating to seeing e-mails that may ?wander? somewhat from the stated purpose of that list. We also need to be cognizant that each individual may be dealing with a different level in the number of e-mails reaching their inboxes and that may drive their response to receiving a large number of e-mails from one list, particularly if the e-mails don?t necessarily correlate the the stated purpose of the list. I typically get over 200 e-mails per day because I subscribe to a variety of lists as well as receive personal e-mails. By far, the highest number of e-mails I receive daily is from the Elecraft list. Lastly, we do need to be mindful that the Elecraft list is indeed an international list. Thus, focusing attention on activities or interests that may not be germane to the broader audience receiving these e-mails needs to be given consideration. A list is not a ?personal chat.? We sometimes forget that when an e-mail is sent to the list, it is reaching thousands of recipients all over the world. We need to ask ourselves, ?Is what I?m releasing something that would be of interest and/or should be shared with a wide audience?? With respect to the recent burst in traffic pertaining to the eclipse that?s happening tomorrow, I would hope that those sending out e-mails will at least tie-in an ?Elecraft moment? to their e-mails. Reading e-mails that discuss using Elecraft gear as part of their ?Eclipse Adventure? such as operating mobile or setting up a station at their viewing location (?field day?) seems more appropriate to me than simply sending out ?I?ve arrived at my destination? or ?I suggest you take this route? or ?The traffic isn?t bad? or ?I?m not going anywhere because of a conflict.? In my opinion, the focus needs to be sharing stories/feedback about how their Elecraft gear is enhancing their experience or technical lessons learned from that experience while having the opportunity to note what?s happening around them as that adds context to the experience being shared. As the United States is the only country that will have a ?total eclipse? tomorrow, these eclipse e-mails will naturally focus on what?s happening in the US. My expectation is that those that post will be cognizant of the wider audience that reads their e-mails and share their ?Elecraft experience? as part of the ?Eclipse Adventure? that would help to make it more appropriate to post on a list that is primarily focused on ?Everything Elecraft.? FWIW, Barry Baines, WD4ASW (Currently in Boston, MA where the eclipse is expected to reach 65% of totality) > > > 73 from David GM4JJJ > >> On 20 Aug 2017, at 16:31, David Pratt wrote: >> >> Regrettably, after 17 years as a member of this group I am now >> unsubscribing as nowadays there are so few messages of relevance to >> those of us in the UK and the developed world. >> >> Any queries I have on Elecraft products will be made by direct mail to >> Eric, Wayne, Don and to Elecraft support. >> >> 73 to all >> >> David G4DMP >> >> -- >> + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + >> | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | >> | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | >> + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Aug 20 12:47:52 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eclipse In-Reply-To: <39314908-4F96-42FD-9345-E6631227A3EB@gmail.com> References: <39314908-4F96-42FD-9345-E6631227A3EB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82C12154-F4B7-45C0-B8D9-CCF92079A601@elecraft.com> Raymond wrote: > > Taking plane to Greenwood South Carolina to see eclipse. No radios since they are too heavy Except the KX2...13 oz. Wayne N6KR > Ray > W8LYJ > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Sun Aug 20 13:19:43 2017 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:19:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7BF436111BF34BFD955DD4C7CDA9ADF2@G4GNXLaptop> and your point is??? or are you just attention seeking? 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: David Pratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:31 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing Regrettably, after 17 years as a member of this group I am now unsubscribing as nowadays there are so few messages of relevance to those of us in the UK and the developed world. Any queries I have on Elecraft products will be made by direct mail to Eric, Wayne, Don and to Elecraft support. 73 to all David G4DMP From kkinderen at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 13:54:20 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:54:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? In-Reply-To: <45725b27-1f80-b701-4878-6ccd8b780d21@comcast.net> References: <45725b27-1f80-b701-4878-6ccd8b780d21@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi... At the risk of jumping in on a forbidden subject I am actually waiting on what a K4 might bring to the table. I'm currently the owner of a KX3. Anyone that owns one probably expects a whole lot from Elecraft. In my opinion, the KX3 is the machine of the decade. I also own a higher end SDR radio that is great but I have my issues with it and would consider selling it off if there was something better. So you your question Pete, what would I like to see in a K4? * A balance of specifications. Maybe not the best in a particular category but best overall would be nice. Personally, I don't put a lot of faith in the Sherwood figures because I don't think it gives the whole picture. If I stretch for the top number in one category what compromise am I making in another? Is it really necessary? * More integration with a computer. I'm not a knob vs. mouse person but soooo much can be done on a computer to augment dials and meters on a radio front panel. So many hidden or dual-use functions could be laid bare on a computer screen. New features can be added without replacing and rewiring modules. Macros could be built for starting and configuring the system for a PSK session or an SSB session. Real remote operations - with choices and real-world designs. Just so much opportunity. But it takes a special skill to present this properly. Win4K3 is a great step in the right direction. But what if that new feature of N1MM (cluster on panadapter) be plugged in as a module into the Win4K3 suite. That's just an example. In fact, I think the sky's the limit and my imagination is sorely lacking. What if the new K4 controls software was modular and new panadapters or modes or monitors or... could be plugged in at will? * I'm not looking for another portable rig. The KX3 is all I can think to want for the near future. I wouldn't mind seeing a new desktop or rack (closet) mount rig that has easy to use controls, excellent displays and functions perfectly for someone without a computer just as well with a computer. I know this probably sounds odd but the classic look of an FT-1000MP MkV Field is a beautiful sight to me. It looks like a professional device where, sorry to say, some others look kind of toyish. It's an aesthetic thing I guess. My current radio has no controls at all other than a power button and a minimally functional OK button. If you take a look at K3S advertising on Elecraft's site I think they understand. I just don't think the desktop rigs have to be so compact. I wonder, if compactness was removed as a design criteria what other criteria could be expanded? * Finally, the same service we get from Elecraft today. That means Wayne continues with those cool new features he puts together in software and doesn't let a bug sit on the list untouched for three years. I want to be able to open up the box and replace a fan or module myself. I don't want the rig to become a black box tries to lock everything away. * Open Source? I know about the arguments and understand open source is nearly impossible to integrate profitably into a business model. But as an end user, I have benefited from a lot of open source projects. Not just to save money but sometimes to get features I can't get from a monolithic software company. But I keep hearing ARRL and other organizations wondering where all the hams are going and how we can attract them back and I see things like Arduino and Raspberry Pi and even things from Microsoft that is attracting young engineers and technicians in droves. If Elecraft could bring some of that enthusiasm to the service then it would be a company that could would actually deserve loyalty. This is a hard point for me to make. If I pay $100 for a product and get $100 in value I'm happy, not loyal but happy. If someone came across with a product for $100 and I get $1000 in value, I'm aiming towards loyalty. This is where I think Open Source begins to fit in. Just some ramblings. Even rumors of a K4 are exciting and I'm looking forward to hearing other thoughts. 73, Kev K4VD On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:13 AM, N4ZR wrote: > I'm really surprised that I haven't seen this topic overand over on the > reflector. The K3 is getting long in the tooth, the KX3 already > incorporates much of the more modern receiver technology, and we know the > people at Elecraft aren't sitting around twiddling their thumbs. So unless > the topic gets shut down, what would *you* like to see in a K4? > > -- > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network > at , now > spotting RTTY activity worldwide. > For spots, please use your favorite > "retail" DX cluster. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com From mails at qrp4fun.de Sun Aug 20 15:40:55 2017 From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:40:55 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - protection Message-ID: <9a1f5efb-ebdf-e0c6-f9c3-ebc14f1185d4@qrp4fun.de> Dear Elecrafter, Is there in the front end (at the antenna) of the KX3 an overvoltage protection like in the K3? 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Aug 20 16:04:45 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:04:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 Macros Message-ID: <16a4b682-061e-7583-c6a3-9e3ea301d070@foothill.net> Is there a length limit to macros that I put into the K3/P3 Utility and execute from there? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County From josh at voodoolab.com Sun Aug 20 17:54:13 2017 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:54:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Uh oh. I'm not in the developed world? Requisite Elecraft content: worked a single yagi HA8 via 6m EME using my K3 & M2 6M1K amp. Best copy at -26 with JT65. New country for me from the wilds of "undeveloped" northern California! 73, Josh W6XU > those of us in the UK and the developed world From dave at nk7z.net Sun Aug 20 18:19:43 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:19:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 Macros In-Reply-To: <16a4b682-061e-7583-c6a3-9e3ea301d070@foothill.net> References: <16a4b682-061e-7583-c6a3-9e3ea301d070@foothill.net> Message-ID: I have some very long macros in mine, so maybe not... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/20/2017 01:04 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Is there a length limit to macros that I put into the K3/P3 Utility and > execute from there? > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Aug 20 20:15:20 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:15:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <51340367-968E-488A-82E2-2072D5E572CE@w7kf.com> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> <51340367-968E-488A-82E2-2072D5E572CE@w7kf.com> Message-ID: <833e9ec0-8cfb-bcc3-6520-06b038072fde@kanafi.org> On 8/19/2017 9:26 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > Yes, I was thinking along the same lines ? that copper ?conductive tape? stuff. > > It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look like stylish racing stripes! I've used that for "rear window defroster" DF antennas. How well would that material work for reasonable transmitter powers? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From k7voradio at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 20:19:58 2017 From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:19:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? Message-ID: Why are we stuck with 12 volt batteries of all types when the rigs are optimal at 13.6 or 14 volts? Anyone know of a 14 volt battery mfg? My search yields zero. Bob K7VO From scott.small at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 20:21:20 2017 From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:21:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many "12v" batteries are actually 13.2-13.8 when fully charged On Sunday, August 20, 2017, Robert Sands wrote: > Why are we stuck with 12 volt batteries of all types when the rigs are > optimal at 13.6 or 14 volts? Anyone know of a 14 volt battery mfg? My > search yields zero. > Bob K7VO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com > -- Scott Small From k9yeq at live.com Sun Aug 20 20:22:53 2017 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:22:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <833e9ec0-8cfb-bcc3-6520-06b038072fde@kanafi.org> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> <51340367-968E-488A-82E2-2072D5E572CE@w7kf.com> <833e9ec0-8cfb-bcc3-6520-06b038072fde@kanafi.org> Message-ID: Phil, the copper tape works on VHF/UHF with HT power levels, so at HF should work well. Could even do multiple loops! Dimensions, will be the trick. We need a designer to build and install and market for HF car top carriers! I am not up to it. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Kane Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 7:15 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? On 8/19/2017 9:26 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > Yes, I was thinking along the same lines ? that copper ?conductive tape? stuff. > > It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look like stylish racing stripes! I've used that for "rear window defroster" DF antennas. How well would that material work for reasonable transmitter powers? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Aug 20 20:30:17 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:30:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: <36475cdc-5b2b-bd4a-f550-541ff9ae4234@foothill.net> References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> <36475cdc-5b2b-bd4a-f550-541ff9ae4234@foothill.net> Message-ID: On 8/19/2017 9:21 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > My end-fed wire on the wooden fence 1.8 meters AGL works pretty good.? 6 > over 6 over 6 monobanders would do better [by actual test, they do [:-) > ], but RF current in a non-buried conductor will radiate. Please tell that to mine (10m long, 1.5m AGL fed by a 9:1 un-un fed with 10m of coax from the KAT100. Or maybe no one is on when I can operator - or they hear me coming and take a meal break :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From kk4vhf at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 20:46:57 2017 From: kk4vhf at gmail.com (Chris Parfitt) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:46:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76C9C5B7-B4D0-4A7C-946E-15FE9C8D0BA8@gmail.com> I agree, LiFePO4 4S batteries should be charged to around 13.2, with 12.6 volts being nominal. LiPo 4S batteries have a nominal voltage of 14.8, but are fully charged at 16.8?too high for most transceivers. I have seen examples of people using various methods to decrease the voltage under 16. Although not exactly cheap, the LiFePO4 4S batteries work well with my KX3. I also have some smaller and more portable LiPo 3S batteries, which I use from 12.6 down to around 10.8 volts. Chris, AC4MP > On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Tox wrote: > > Many "12v" batteries are actually 13.2-13.8 when fully charged > > On Sunday, August 20, 2017, Robert Sands wrote: > >> Why are we stuck with 12 volt batteries of all types when the rigs are >> optimal at 13.6 or 14 volts? Anyone know of a 14 volt battery mfg? My >> search yields zero. >> Bob K7VO >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com >> > > > -- > Scott Small > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk4vhf at gmail.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 21:08:07 2017 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:08:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35658087-56b1-053d-6b17-aa763d12389d@gmail.com> Look at LiFePO batteries.? The charging needs are specific (meaning you'll have to make an investment), but they'll maintain voltage (13v+) until they can't, a very sharp knee. Rick nhc On 8/20/2017 5:19 PM, Robert Sands wrote: > Why are we stuck with 12 volt batteries of all types when the rigs are > optimal at 13.6 or 14 volts? Anyone know of a 14 volt battery mfg? My > search yields zero. > Bob K7VO From riese-k3djc at juno.com Sun Aug 20 21:25:50 2017 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:25:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Mobile antenna breakthrough? Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? someone makes a rear window antenna ,,,, held with sticky pads to the inside of the glass,, worked well on 144 Bob K3DJC On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:15:20 -0700 Phil Kane writes: > On 8/19/2017 9:26 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > > > Yes, I was thinking along the same lines ? that copper > ?conductive tape? stuff. > > > > It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look > like stylish racing stripes! From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 21:52:33 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:52:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larsen makes a VHF mobile antenna that mounts on a vehicle window and is fed via a capacity coupling arrangement mounted on the inside of the glass. Some of you have been talking about an antenna that's known as a DDRR and perhaps not realizing it. Google is your friend .... 73 Ken - K0PP On Aug 20, 2017 19:27, wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? > > someone makes a rear window antenna ,,,, held with sticky pads to the > inside > of the glass,, worked well on 144 > > Bob K3DJC > > > On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:15:20 -0700 Phil Kane writes: > > On 8/19/2017 9:26 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > > > > > Yes, I was thinking along the same lines ? that copper > > ?conductive tape? stuff. > > > > > > It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look > > like stylish racing stripes! > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From lee.buller at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 22:07:17 2017 From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:07:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommendation please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am running a K3 with an RS232 connection to my Win 10 computer. Basic early model K3. I also have a p3. I want to move from a Signalink interface to a West Mountain Advantage interface to get some more flexibilty. I use N1MM to contest on CW and Rtty...MMTTY. I also want to look at WSPR X modes. For those who have set this up, could you tell me how it went and the in and outs of using the Advantage. How did you configure rig control if you did? How did you do cw keying and fsk keying. Thanks. You can email me djrect if you want. Lee Happy Eclipse From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 20 22:10:01 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:10:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84e01ba0-48e2-00e5-fac2-c1be74912769@embarqmail.com> Bob, For a long time, rigs were designed for the nominal voltage obtained from a fully charged Lead Acid battery which is 13.6 to 13.8 volts when fully charged. Think automotive batteries and mobile operation - that has been the design point for transceivers in the 100 watt and under class. More recent battery technology have produced a number of batteries with different voltages, but most ham gear has stayed with the voltage commonly available in a vehicular mobile environment. That is just "the fact of the matter". 73, Don W3FPR On 8/20/2017 8:19 PM, Robert Sands wrote: > Why are we stuck with 12 volt batteries of all types when the rigs are > optimal at 13.6 or 14 volts? Anyone know of a 14 volt battery mfg? My > search yields zero. From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Aug 20 22:19:12 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:19:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: References: <32A112BA-D8C8-4026-BC8F-C9B877B51009@elecraft.com> <97612dde-8ff6-90f0-52d9-5b191534178c@gmail.com> <36475cdc-5b2b-bd4a-f550-541ff9ae4234@foothill.net> Message-ID: Mine is about 41.5 meters long, strung along the wood fence.? When conditions are reasonable I can make a lot of Q's, even on SSB, did so in NAQP once Kp declined a lot.? 20 m equals about continental range.? On 40, I'm good to well beyond Scotts Bluff.? 80 is NVIS, but I have lots of friends in N. Cal, and it works great for that.? When condx are bad for everyone else, they've abysmal for me.? Most of the time, I can remote to W7RN ... much higher Coeff. of Aerial Aluminum. Apparently, length counts.? [:-) 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/20/2017 5:30 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > Please tell that to mine (10m long, 1.5m AGL fed by a 9:1 un-un fed with > 10m of coax from the KAT100. Or maybe no one is on when I can operator > - or they hear me coming and take a meal break :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil > Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Aug 20 22:30:40 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:30:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The now-defunct Southern Pacific Railroad, acquired by Union Pacific 20 or so years ago, used DDRR VHF antennas on their trackside signaling equipment.? They were cast steel [maybe brass under the finish], very low profile on top of the equipment box, small [they looked like a handle], and about as indestructible as the steel box they were on.? Indestructability is fairly important with stuff trackside in the middle of nowhere.? With antennas however, electrical size matters.? Rear window size at VHF is big ... not so much on 40 meters. So, does my 41.4 meter wire at 1.8 meters AGL classify as a DDRR? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/20/2017 6:52 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Larsen makes a VHF mobile antenna that mounts on a vehicle window and is > fed via a capacity coupling arrangement mounted on the inside of the glass. > > Some of you have been talking about an antenna that's known as a DDRR and > perhaps not realizing it. > > Google is your friend .... > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2017 19:27, wrote: > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? >> >> someone makes a rear window antenna ,,,, held with sticky pads to the >> inside >> of the glass,, worked well on 144 >> >> Bob K3DJC >> >> >> On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:15:20 -0700 Phil Kane writes: >>> On 8/19/2017 9:26 PM, Doug Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, I was thinking along the same lines ? that copper >>> ?conductive tape? stuff. >>>> It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look >>> like stylish racing stripes! >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 20 22:57:54 2017 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 02:57:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? Message-ID: Three of my four are pretty modest, in addition to the receiver technology updates already mentioned ? ? Bluetooth or the equivalent wherever possible in the K4, the P4, the KPod4, the KAT500-4, and the KPA500-4 (and retrofitting updates of the same for the last four of those), to be rid of some part of the rat?s nest that limits flexibility around the operating table. ? A contest serial number capability in the on-board keyer. ? A 250-watt on-board amp option (which might require a 48 volt power supply and concomitant circuitry changes) ? Proprietary Elecraft power supply mounted in a K4-matching speaker box. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 08:13:44 -0400 From: N4ZR To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? Message-ID: <45725b27-1f80-b701-4878-6ccd8b780d21 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I'm really surprised that I haven't seen this topic overand over on the reflector.? The K3 is getting long in the tooth, the KX3 already incorporates much of the more modern receiver technology, and we know the people at Elecraft aren't sitting around twiddling their thumbs. So unless the topic gets shut down, what would *you* like to see in a K4? -- 73, Pete N4ZR From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 21 00:17:17 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: <35658087-56b1-053d-6b17-aa763d12389d@gmail.com> References: <35658087-56b1-053d-6b17-aa763d12389d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77e9405f-5a5e-459e-6bf4-83f5d48f8f03@audiosystemsgroup.com> Right on! For about a year, I've been running the radios in my shack from a 10Ah LiFePO4 battery from Bioenne Power. I never see the voltage drop below 13V on the K3 voltmeter. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/20/2017 6:08 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > Look at LiFePO batteries. The charging needs are specific (meaning > you'll have to make an investment), but they'll maintain voltage > (13v+) until they can't, a very sharp knee. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 21 00:19:08 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:19:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63d9a9d8-0f9e-26ee-385e-1929602aa3ef@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/20/2017 5:21 PM, Tox wrote: > Many "12v" batteries are actually 13.2-13.8 when fully charged Not after you've disconnected the charger. And the voltage drops VERY quickly as they discharge. With 90% charge remaining, they're close to 12V! 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 21 00:23:36 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: <76C9C5B7-B4D0-4A7C-946E-15FE9C8D0BA8@gmail.com> References: <76C9C5B7-B4D0-4A7C-946E-15FE9C8D0BA8@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/20/2017 5:46 PM, Chris Parfitt wrote: > I agree, LiFePO4 4S batteries should be charged to around 13.2, with 12.6 volts being nominal. 14.2V for full charge is more like it. And you're right that they should NOT be charged much above that, which is why chargers specifically designed for that battery chemistry must be used. And as Don notes, the design voltage for most ham gear is 13.8 VDC, which is the voltage to which an alternator regulates. When the alternator stops, the voltage drops to about 12.6 at full charge. 73, Jim K9YC From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Aug 21 01:53:12 2017 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:53:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Again - logging program... In-Reply-To: <6751484B-A334-4DE9-BE97-942685059E98@icloud.com> References: <6751484B-A334-4DE9-BE97-942685059E98@icloud.com> Message-ID: I'm a somewhat casual contester but am quite happy with the contest support in RUMLogNG.? Tom keeps adding additional contests. I wish there was a Linux equivalent (or close) to N1MM or RUMLogNG.? For non-contest stuff cqrlog isn't bad.? Before I got the mac I used TLF, which worked fine but lacked a GUI. Bob, N7XY On 8/20/17 4:19 PM, Jim Hooper wrote: > Bill - > > I?m a Mac user and the reason I am considering getting a PC (I shudder > at the thought) is to be able to use N1MM. ? Yes, I run Parallels and > can do N1MM under it, but performance is a dog and finding the right > port is a pain. Peter WA7FUS has encouraged me to get a cheap PC but, > as he well knows, I am slow to pull the trigger. > > N1MM has the best collection of preconfigured contest files (I contest > casually) and integrates well with digital programs (MTTY comes to > mind for RTTY). ?And as you have likely observed, N1MM is free. > > I upload to LOTW from the Mac app that I use (RumLogNG) and then > download to QRZ. > > 73, > Hoop > K9QJS > San Juan Island > > > > > On Aug 20, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Bill Vodall om> wrote: > > While in general I'm very happy using qrz.com for my > logging, some > circumstances are dictating that I need to at least start keeping my > data local. ??I'm tending towards the n1mm logger > > https://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php > > The idea is to move the data from QRZ and some other key contacts to > the new system, get it working with LotW and eventually move it to a > cloud accessible system even if I have to write it (even more fortune > and fame) myself. > > Anything better than N1MM or is this a sane enough plan? > > Thanks > Bill > > PS. ?After living here over 20 years - I finally received my second > QSL card. ?Thanks Bob!!! > _______________________________________________ > seatcp mailing list > seatcp at wetnet.net > http://wetnet.net/mailman/listinfo/seatcp > > > > _______________________________________________ > seatcp mailing list > seatcp at wetnet.net > http://wetnet.net/mailman/listinfo/seatcp From richard at lamont.me.uk Mon Aug 21 04:15:01 2017 From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:15:01 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Again - logging program... In-Reply-To: References: <6751484B-A334-4DE9-BE97-942685059E98@icloud.com> Message-ID: On 21/08/17 06:53, Bob Nielsen wrote: > I'm a somewhat casual contester but am quite happy with the contest > support in RUMLogNG. Tom keeps adding additional contests. > > I wish there was a Linux equivalent (or close) to N1MM or RUMLogNG. For > non-contest stuff cqrlog isn't bad. Before I got the mac I used TLF, > which worked fine but lacked a GUI. The latest version of CQRlog (2.1.0), released on 6th August 2017, has added a simple contest logging window. It won't satisfy industrial contesters but may be good enough for casual use. https://www.cqrlog.com/ 73, Richard G4DYA From no9e at arrl.net Mon Aug 21 06:59:56 2017 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:59:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? In-Reply-To: References: <45725b27-1f80-b701-4878-6ccd8b780d21@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1503313196169-7633637.post@n2.nabble.com> Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is already working on it. The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got used to current. Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price. Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the screen bigger would either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs smaller. Here are possibilities - SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with single Xtal filter - panadapter display with connection to external display - built in PS Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Is-K4-talk-verboten-tp7633604p7633637.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From no9e at arrl.net Mon Aug 21 07:16:27 2017 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:16:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: References: <76C9C5B7-B4D0-4A7C-946E-15FE9C8D0BA8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1503314187447-7633638.post@n2.nabble.com> Most rigs are designed for a range (13.8V +- 15%). IMD3 are better at higher voltage, but excellent IMD3 with predistortion can make this point moot. Many computer chips operate at 1.5V, and conversion from 12V is normal. Expert amp 1.3k operates at full power from 90 to 270V. Apache 8000 has 12V/50V conversion inside. With newer generation and predistortion + more intelligent design, radios may limit themselves to max power at given voltage, all with excellent IMD and high efficiency. Say 80W at 10V to 150W at 16V. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/14-volt-batteries-tp7633619p7633638.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From va3mw at portcredit.net Mon Aug 21 07:57:40 2017 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:57:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] - Tech Only Discussions Message-ID: Hi All I am only going to post this one. I have created a spin off group for technical only Elecraft discussion. No OT discussion and focused truly on the issues of your wonderful Elecraft hardware. This will allow this group to proceed as normal, yet this is an option for those that only want to focus on the specifics of Elecraft hardware. This group is not associated in anyway with the Elecraft company. I will also be looking for a few moderators, so if you are interested, please let me know. Please do not do a reply all to the original Elecraft group as I want to observe their OT rules as well. Details are: Group Email Addresses - Post Message :elecraft-tech at yahoogroups.com - Subscribe :elecraft-tech-subscribe at yahoogroups.com - Unsubscribe :elecraft-tech-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com - List Owner :elecraft-tech-owner at yahoogroups.com 73, Mike va3mw From fred at fmeco.com Mon Aug 21 08:21:09 2017 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:21:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] - Tech Only Discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for specifying that this group is not related to the Elecraft Company. That makes my decision about joining your group very easy for me. .. Fred I'll only post this one time... That way I can make sure I observe the Elecraft OT rules as well.. Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com wd8kni at gmail.com phone: 321-217-8699 On 8/21/17 7:57 AM, Michael Walker wrote: > Hi All > > I am only going to post this one. I have created a spin off group for > technical only Elecraft discussion. No OT discussion and focused truly on > the issues of your wonderful Elecraft hardware. > > This will allow this group to proceed as normal, yet this is an option for > those that only want to focus on the specifics of Elecraft hardware. > > This group is not associated in anyway with the Elecraft company. > > I will also be looking for a few moderators, so if you are interested, > please let me know. > > Please do not do a reply all to the original Elecraft group as I want to > observe their OT rules as well. > > Details are: > > Group Email Addresses > > - Post Message :elecraft-tech at yahoogroups.com > - Subscribe :elecraft-tech-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > - Unsubscribe :elecraft-tech-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > - List Owner :elecraft-tech-owner at yahoogroups.com > > > 73, Mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com From indians at xsmail.com Mon Aug 21 09:48:59 2017 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 06:48:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Permanent NTCH setting In-Reply-To: <1501663991053-7632995.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501663991053-7632995.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1503323339882-7633641.post@n2.nabble.com> So it looks like no way... Is there chance to implement this feature into the next s/w release? ...something like Permanent NTCH setting Y/N? 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Permanent-NTCH-setting-tp7632995p7633641.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk Mon Aug 21 09:52:20 2017 From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:52:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] - Tech Only Discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most good groups are moving away from Yahoo, Groups.io seems the main choice. I won't be joining any more yahoo groups. Fred Moore wrote: > Thanks for specifying that this group is not related to the Elecraft > Company. That makes my decision about joining your group very easy for > me. > > .. Fred > > I'll only post this one time... That way I can make sure I observe the > Elecraft OT rules as well.. > > Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com > wd8kni at gmail.com > phone: 321-217-8699 > > On 8/21/17 7:57 AM, Michael Walker wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I am only going to post this one. I have created a spin off group for > > technical only Elecraft discussion. No OT discussion and focused truly > > on the issues of your wonderful Elecraft hardware. > > > > This will allow this group to proceed as normal, yet this is an option > > for those that only want to focus on the specifics of Elecraft hardware. > > > > This group is not associated in anyway with the Elecraft company. > > > > I will also be looking for a few moderators, so if you are interested, > > please let me know. > > > > Please do not do a reply all to the original Elecraft group as I want to > > observe their OT rules as well. > > > > Details are: > > > > Group Email Addresses > > > > - Post Message :elecraft-tech at yahoogroups.com > > - Subscribe :elecraft-tech-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > > - Unsubscribe :elecraft-tech-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > - List Owner :elecraft-tech-owner at yahoogroups.com > > > > > > 73, Mike va3mw > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft > > mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft > mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk > > -- Brian D G3VGZ Yarm England From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 21 10:26:51 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:26:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C4B28A7-1AC7-44B9-85D3-DEB344913051@widomaker.com> 4S Lipos. Lipo cells are 3.7 V nominal. So 4 in series would be 14.8 Volts. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Robert Sands wrote: > > Why are we stuck with 12 volt batteries of all types when the rigs are > optimal at 13.6 or 14 volts? Anyone know of a 14 volt battery mfg? My > search yields zero. > Bob K7VO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Aug 21 11:39:02 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:39:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: <84e01ba0-48e2-00e5-fac2-c1be74912769@embarqmail.com> References: <84e01ba0-48e2-00e5-fac2-c1be74912769@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5d42a891-b5af-0d89-5dbe-2c6fa4d7156f@kanafi.org> On 8/20/2017 7:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > More recent battery technology have produced a number of batteries with > different voltages, but most ham gear has stayed with the voltage > commonly available in a vehicular mobile environment.? That is just "the > fact of the matter". Commercial "fixed station" equipment has largely migrated to 48V, the historical "Bell System" standard. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From jeremiah.peschka at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 12:14:47 2017 From: jeremiah.peschka at gmail.com (Jeremiah Peschka) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:14:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and P3 for sale Message-ID: K3S and P3 for sale. Factory assembled. Originally purchased on 6/10/15 for $5,111. Total package: $4,000 - shipping not included. Contact Jeremiah, KG7TXV, at jeremiah.peschka at gmail.com More details follow: K3S serial number: 10017 P3 serial number: 3859 Includes the following (factory installed) options: - 100W upgrade for K3/K3S - ATU for K3/K3S - Standard 5 ppm Oscillator - 2.7 kHz Elecraft Filter - 2.1 kHz, 8 pole roofing filter - K3 250 Hz, 8 Pole Filter - K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter - FM-bandwidth,8-pole roofing filter - K144XV REFLOCK - 2M Module for K3/10 - P3-F Panadapter for the K3 - SS30DV Sw. Pwr Supply, 14.1V, 25A K3 Book also included. Due to timing and life changes, this unit has only seen about 4 hours of use, none of that is transmitting. -- Jeremiah Peschka From n1rj at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 21 12:38:20 2017 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:38:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <2fe3c3c2-5fe6-80ed-fa07-9f6a652ee07e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <2fe3c3c2-5fe6-80ed-fa07-9f6a652ee07e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <599B0C7C.3010805@roadrunner.com> Let's see.... Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do: 1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program 2. Select Elecraft folder 3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read. For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this: 1. Bring up ARF 2. Click on topic I want 3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read. Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly categorized and topics that interest me are easy to find. 73, Roger N1RJ On 8/19/2017 2:22 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Oh, please don't. > > A "push" technology, like E-Mail means that more of us will participate. > > Web Based forums are a "pull" -- one has to be dedicated enough to go to the > forum. It slows the tempo and reduces participation. > > It isn't a magic bullet. People still post in forum sections off topic. > > Before I retired, I ran an ISP and did E-Mail professionally, including mail > filtering. The greatest tool I found is called PopFile. > > PopFile can, with a minimal amount of work, split out mail by product > mentioned. You don't have to figure out what keywords to use, you just have > to move mail that is mis-classified to the right place. Takes a couple of > days worth of mail to train to 90% accuracy or so, and not long after before > it's near 99%. > > 73 -- Lynn > > > From turnbull at net1.ie Mon Aug 21 13:02:26 2017 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 17:02:26 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? In-Reply-To: <1503313196169-7633637.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <45725b27-1f80-b701-4878-6ccd8b780d21@comcast.net> <1503313196169-7633637.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Dear Friends, For what it is worth, I have come to like the small size and light weight of the present K3/S. The modular approach to features aids purchase and I believe also helps in troubleshooting. This is a radio made for contesting, DXpeditions, rag chewing and all modes of operation. It may be best to stick with the winner and continue to improve. If a newer K4 is eventually called for may it be small and light retaining as many K3 features as possible. Oh, I do like the P3 with 19 inch VDU and the K-Pod so adding on extras is just fine. The K3 line is a radio one can start out small with and build up to what ever you desire. I use to like the big Orion II and can see that the FT 1000 MP were impressive looking radios but the K3 outperforms both in the contest sphere where a radio is tested as no where else. There are Cadillac drivers and Ferrari drivers both cars have their place but I just wonder if both are best made by the same manufacturer. Inventory shoots up and engineering talent is more thinly spread. Whatever it will be interesting to see what the mother ship does in coming years. Just please do not fade out like so many others. You people at Elecraft are phenomenal with design, manufacturing and service. 73 Doug EI2CN PS Thank you once more for the K-Pod!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ignacy Sent: 21 August 2017 11:00 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is already working on it. The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got used to current. Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price. Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the screen bigger would either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs smaller. Here are possibilities - SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with single Xtal filter - panadapter display with connection to external display - built in PS Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Is-K4-talk-verboten-tp7633604p7633637.h tml Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From kn4g at outlook.com Mon Aug 21 13:02:47 2017 From: kn4g at outlook.com (KN4G) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:02:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE K3-K/100 Serial # 2802 Message-ID: <1503334967341-7633647.post@n2.nabble.com> For Sale a user assembled K3 Serial # 2802 -March 2009, a few minor scratches on the case bottom. Has latest FW, used for CW only @90 watts in home QTH with no smoke or pets. Pictured will supply not included. options included are: 100W Amp module KAT3 Antenna Tuner KTCX03-1 Standard 2.7kHz 5 pole filter K3 1.8 kHz 8 pole filter K3 1.0 kHz 8 pole filter K3 400 Hz 8 pole filter K3 250 Hz 8 pole filter $2350 shipped, OBO contact Jonathan, KN4G @ kn4g at outlook.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FOR-SALE-K3-K-100-Serial-2802-tp7633647.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 21 13:07:44 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:07:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: <001201d31a71$2eeb8550$8cc28ff0$@erols.com> References: <35658087-56b1-053d-6b17-aa763d12389d@gmail.com> <77e9405f-5a5e-459e-6bf4-83f5d48f8f03@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001201d31a71$2eeb8550$8cc28ff0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <3e2b4d61-fe65-b06c-b346-4824376ae968@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Charlie, Since your question is likely of interest to others, I'm responding to the reflector. My system is float charged using a Genasun MPPT solar charge regulator designed for LiFePO4 batteries. My solar array is quite small, composed of 4 panels gifted by a friend who recovered them from a dumpster after they had been replaced in instrumentation setups. Because I'm in a redwood forest, they get far less illumination than they would in a more typical installation. During the summer months, they're producing charging current from about 9:30 am to about 4:30 pm. From early fall to late spring, they're barely illuminated at all. When the sun is not enough, I disconnect the panels and use an old computer laptop power supply to feed the charge regulator. That's enough to run a single K3 for contesting at full power, but not for two K3s in heavy SO2R. It is enough to run SO2R at the much lower power levels needed to drive my power amps. I've done two things to address that. First, the LiFePO4 battery only runs the radios. Other 12V gear in the shack runs from a big Costco deep discharge battery, floated in the same manner from another old laptop power supply. Second, for 100W contests, I reduce K3 output to what it takes to get 100W from my power amps, which varies from 5-8W, depending on which amp and which band. You asked about a 10Ah battery. W6JTI used my KX3/KXPA100 for two ridgetop expeditions (3 miles up a trail that climbs 2,000 ft) to activate the rare CM79 grid on 6M. He was joined on one trip by K6EU, and on a second by N6ZFO. The first trip was for two days, and they carried three 20Ah batteries. On the second trip for only one day, they carried two. On both trips, they got through most of the day with one of those batteries. The first time around, they were not familiar with the KX3 power hookup, and by accident ran the KX3 on the internal NiMH AA pack. That also got through much of that first day. it was a CW-only operation. To gauge operating time, they were set up and on the air by about 8 am and shut down between 6 and 7 pm (on the second trip, in time to make it down the trail before dark). So -- I'd say a 10Ah pack would be good for nearly continuous CW with a barefoot KX3 all day. And, of course, there's the internal pack, which for my batteries, is about 2.7Ah. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/21/2017 4:32 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Interesting comment Jim. > > I would have suspected that a 10 Ah battery might not be big enough. > > Assuming you have the 100 W K3, can you run full power using the LiFePO4 > battery? > How about operating time? Again, assuming casual not full contest mode. > Also, do you leave the charger connected at all times? I'm guessing it is > designed to operate like this. > > Currently, I have an old 2' X 4' solar panel charging a regular 24 size car > battery with a diode isolated 3 Amp power supply in case the sun doesn't > cooperate, all feeding a home brew switching type charger. > It DOES make some beeps and squeals on the six meter band, but just a couple > obvious spikes in the panadapter that I've learned to live with. > > Ultimately, if I converted to the newer battery, I'd still want the ability > to use the solar panel to charge. I'm thinking that would take quite a bit > of extra circuitry to accomplish. > > I typically get around ten years of life to a car battery in this situation. > I'm hoping the LiFePO4 battery would have better lifetime considering the > cost. > Of course, when I started this set-up years ago, you could buy a Wal-Mart > battery for $29.95. They're not that far from a LiFePOP4 battery pricing > now days, especially if I could get away with a considerably lower Ah > rating. > > I'm hoping this goes to you directly since I don't want to prolong an OT > thread. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:17 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? > > Right on! For about a year, I've been running the radios in my shack from a > 10Ah LiFePO4 battery from Bioenne Power. I never see the voltage drop below > 13V on the K3 voltmeter. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > From scott.small at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 13:16:15 2017 From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? In-Reply-To: References: <45725b27-1f80-b701-4878-6ccd8b780d21@comcast.net> <1503313196169-7633637.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'd wonder if best of several worlds might not just be a rackmount brain that has the filters and SDR in it that could be stashed under the desk, or in a shockmount crate for DXpedition use, and a separate remote like the kpod, potentially available as a detachable faceplate for those who want the buttons and knobs. Or perhaps take the k3s faceplate and use it as a remote, possibly with a revved silkscreen to help handle new/extra functionality. $.02 from a new kx3 owner On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear Friends, > For what it is worth, I have come to like the small size and light > weight of the present K3/S. The modular approach to features aids > purchase > and I believe also helps in troubleshooting. This is a radio made for > contesting, DXpeditions, rag chewing and all modes of operation. It may > be > best to stick with the winner and continue to improve. If a newer K4 is > eventually called for may it be small and light retaining as many K3 > features as possible. > > Oh, I do like the P3 with 19 inch VDU and the K-Pod so adding on > extras > is just fine. The K3 line is a radio one can start out small with and > build up to what ever you desire. I use to like the big Orion II and can > see that the FT 1000 MP were impressive looking radios but the K3 > outperforms both in the contest sphere where a radio is tested as no where > else. > > There are Cadillac drivers and Ferrari drivers both cars have their > place but I just wonder if both are best made by the same manufacturer. > Inventory shoots up and engineering talent is more thinly spread. > > Whatever it will be interesting to see what the mother ship does in > coming years. Just please do not fade out like so many others. You > people > at Elecraft are phenomenal with design, manufacturing and service. > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > PS Thank you once more for the K-Pod!!!!!!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ignacy > Sent: 21 August 2017 11:00 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? > > Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is > already working on it. > > The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with > quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got > used > to current. > > Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price. > > Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the > screen bigger would either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs > smaller. > > Here are possibilities > - SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with > single Xtal filter > - panadapter display with connection to external display > - built in PS > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Is-K4-talk- > verboten-tp7633604p7633637.h > tml > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com > -- Scott Small From w4jz at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 21 13:30:31 2017 From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:30:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? Message-ID: <04e2b76b-d164-ecd6-4215-7bd6dd2d9653@bellsouth.net> If I want to read Elecraft reflector I just go here: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html I don't have any reflector or yahoo groups post go to my email account. This avoids filling up your email account or getting stuff you are not interested in. When I return to the reflector it already knows the last message I read by high lighting the message unless I clear temp files. I believe this is why people complain the most, getting email stuff they are not interested in. I just glance at subject & read if interested. 73, Reed W4JZ From ron at cobi.biz Mon Aug 21 13:41:26 2017 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:41:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? In-Reply-To: <5d42a891-b5af-0d89-5dbe-2c6fa4d7156f@kanafi.org> References: <84e01ba0-48e2-00e5-fac2-c1be74912769@embarqmail.com> <5d42a891-b5af-0d89-5dbe-2c6fa4d7156f@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <004b01d31aa4$b6f3dc30$24db9490$@biz> I wonder if that had anything to do with (in the past at least) 50V and up were considered "dangerous" voltages that required special protection and warnings. Of course any of us who happened to get across the circuit with even a 12V battery and a large inductance in series disagreed - after we picked ourselves up off of the floor. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Kane Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:39 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 14 volt batteries? On 8/20/2017 7:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > More recent battery technology have produced a number of batteries > with different voltages, but most ham gear has stayed with the voltage > commonly available in a vehicular mobile environment. That is just > "the fact of the matter". Commercial "fixed station" equipment has largely migrated to 48V, the historical "Bell System" standard. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Aug 21 14:13:36 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:13:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/20/2017 7:30 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > e now-defunct Southern Pacific Railroad, acquired by Union Pacific 20 or > so years ago, used DDRR VHF antennas on their trackside signaling > equipment.? They were cast steel [maybe brass under the finish], very > low profile on top of the equipment box, small [they looked like a > handle], and about as indestructible as the steel box they were on.? > Indestructability is fairly important with stuff trackside in the middle > of nowhere.? In the rail industry, these are known as "Excalibur" antennas - the model type made by Sinclair. They were developed for the transit industry for buses and locomotives to be able to go through industrial wash racks with no damage We used both the VHF Low-Band and VHF High-Band models on a measurement truck and were very happy with them. Use of this type of antenna on wayside equipment such as hot-box and dragging equipment scanners is pretty much standard for the reasons that you gave above. I'd put one on our car but I don't know how the VHF model that I would use for 2-meters would perform on UHF (3/4-meters) like my 1/4-wave mag-mount vertical does. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From ka9zap at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 14:50:42 2017 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Arthur Nienhouse) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K4 wish list Message-ID: */My wish is a removable front face like the Kenwood tx2000b ................ Or a remote face like the Flex Maestro with Blue Tooth and WIFI for remote operation to the shack K4. Regards Art ka9zap /* On 8/21/2017 12:02 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear Friends, > For what it is worth, I have come to like the small size and light > weight of the present K3/S. The modular approach to features aids purchase > and I believe also helps in troubleshooting. This is a radio made for > contesting, DXpeditions, rag chewing and all modes of operation. It may be > best to stick with the winner and continue to improve. If a newer K4 is > eventually called for may it be small and light retaining as many K3 > features as possible. > > Oh, I do like the P3 with 19 inch VDU and the K-Pod so adding on extras > is just fine. The K3 line is a radio one can start out small with and > build up to what ever you desire. I use to like the big Orion II and can > see that the FT 1000 MP were impressive looking radios but the K3 > outperforms both in the contest sphere where a radio is tested as no where > else. > > There are Cadillac drivers and Ferrari drivers both cars have their > place but I just wonder if both are best made by the same manufacturer. > Inventory shoots up and engineering talent is more thinly spread. > > Whatever it will be interesting to see what the mother ship does in > coming years. Just please do not fade out like so many others. You people > at Elecraft are phenomenal with design, manufacturing and service. > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > PS Thank you once more for the K-Pod!!!!!!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ignacy > Sent: 21 August 2017 11:00 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? > > Perhaps it does not matter what we write because most likely Elecraft is > already working on it. > > The advantages of K3 are high blocking and dynamic ranges together with > quiet synthesizer. Also lighweight and good ergonomics to those who got used > to current. > > Minuses are lots of connectors/cables and high price. > > Making all SDR would make the radio lose high blocking range. Making the > screen bigger would either make the radio bigger or the number of knobs > smaller. > > Here are possibilities > - SDR configuration with 2nd RX but with provision for current RX with > single Xtal filter > - panadapter display with connection to external display > - built in PS > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 21 15:24:14 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Commands don't work Message-ID: <3b4bafdb-7369-debc-ea77-82db1e62fdf4@foothill.net> My P3 seems to work perfectly ... except it doesn't respond to commands I send using the Command Tester in the P3 Utility.? If past experience is any indicator, this is a pilot-problem.? The P3 says it's connected to the computer at 38400.? Commands to the K3 [thru the P3] work fine and I can download the BMP image from the P3 fine.? I just downloaded the latest production FW for the K3 and P3. When I send "=" it returns "P3" When I send "#SPN000500;" it returns nothing and the span does not go to 50 KHz No other command that I've tried has done anything. I might be misreading the P3 Programmers Manual but it appears that all commands have the syntax: #;? and the P3 Utility sends the command when I type the semicolon.? I've had the P3 for a number of years but have never tried to command it from the Utility. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County From pubx1 at af2z.net Mon Aug 21 15:37:38 2017 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:37:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <599B0C7C.3010805@roadrunner.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <2fe3c3c2-5fe6-80ed-fa07-9f6a652ee07e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <599B0C7C.3010805@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <39c1355c-ae52-2793-a763-c9d25d9d1415@af2z.net> Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use keyboard exclusively. Web forums require mouse pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets on my nerves very quickly. But for some people the mouse is easier. The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv with forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no point trying to convince people that their particular preference must be wrong. 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/21/17 12:38, Roger D Johnson wrote: > Let's see.... > > Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do: > > 1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program > > 2. Select Elecraft folder > > 3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read. > > For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this: > > 1. Bring up ARF > > 2. Click on topic I want > > 3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read. > > Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly > categorized and > topics that interest me are easy to find. > > 73, Roger N1RJ > > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 15:38:13 2017 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K4 wish list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C027FFA-CC42-456C-9AFB-540B0594A378@gmail.com> I have just a few criteria, and I?m at the age that it isn?t terribly likely I?d replace my K3 (or K3S) anyway unless the ?new? thing were absolutely positively spectacular. Whatever the K4 is, as prime criteria, I don?t want to have to depend on someone else's OS, someone else?s glitchy application software, someone else?s general purpose computer hardware, or someone else?s idea of what a computer interface should look like. This is one place where glitzy tech for the sake of glitzy tech and a fancy display isn?t worth the price of admission. I don?t care about touch screens. I couldn?t keep track of 16 receive slices. And I want a knob not a mouse. It?s about the RADIO. The radio would have to be sooooo good in an actual PRACTICAL(!) way that I couldn?t resist. There?s nothing on the market now that meets the criteria ? period. That said, I fully expect there to be some kind of follow on radio. Coming from Elecraft, I would expect it to be a great radio that is a significant step up. Otherwise, why bother? > > */My wish is a removable front face like the Kenwood tx2000b ................ > Or a remote face like the Flex Maestro with Blue Tooth and WIFI for remote operation to the shack K4. > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From pubx1 at af2z.net Mon Aug 21 16:18:50 2017 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:18:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is K4 talk verboten? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57368302-ed71-d59e-c4e7-a8fed84a315e@af2z.net> The single most important feature that would get me to spring for a K4 would be advanced noise abatement controls. I have little idea how the NR & NB work, but strictly from the user standpoint instead of scrolling through a small assortment of fixed presets I envision several continuously variable controls that would allow us to adjust the several noise limiting parameters. Perhaps having some kind of graphical display showing a dimensional representation of the noise parameter space and the noise itself would help in zeroing in on the best noise reduction... 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/20/17 22:57, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Three of my four are pretty modest, in addition to the receiver technology updates already mentioned ? > > ? Bluetooth or the equivalent wherever possible in the K4, the P4, the KPod4, the KAT500-4, and the KPA500-4 (and retrofitting updates of the same for the last four of those), to be rid of some part of the rat?s nest that limits flexibility around the operating table. > > ? A contest serial number capability in the on-board keyer. > > ? A 250-watt on-board amp option (which might require a 48 volt power supply and concomitant circuitry changes) > > ? Proprietary Elecraft power supply mounted in a K4-matching speaker box. > > > > Ted, KN1CBR > From ebasilier at cox.net Mon Aug 21 18:22:26 2017 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] In Search of Better Message-ID: <03d001d31acb$f81f9920$e85ecb60$@cox.net> In Search of Better The following is a rambling tale of situations, real and imagined, where my Elecraft equipment leaves something to be desired. Written mostly during my time confined to home while recovering from back surgery, it reflects a tendency to focus on operating from other locations. When I will be able to go operate outdoors again, how can I make a trip go as smoothly as possible, without spending a lot of time on packing and setup, etc? What went right and what went wrong on my last outing? Field Day was my latest portable operation. I brought my dual 100W K-lines in SO2R configuration. This was practical because the Elecraft equipment is light enough to be used in the field, works well on 12V deep cycle batteries without too much worry about minimum acceptable voltage, and compact enough that both radios are easy to reach by one operator. Operations were successful, so that is what went right. Each K3 has its own Pelican Stormcase iM2400 (with foam), which is perfect for protecting one K3. For the latest one I got a great price at Nalpak. The radio is placed into a foam cavity bottom up, with a shelf of foam under the knobs covering the display. The case has room for two more small cavities, suitable for small items such as a power cord and a hand microphone. What is not to like about this? Well, it takes a *lot* of time to set up and tear down the two K-lines with all the items and wiring needed for SO2R. That is what went wrong. Our club president suggested for next year I have all the equipment installed in something like a "go-box", ready to use. Although I was offered help to lift such a monster, I had to reject the idea as cumbersome and inflexible in view of my habit to experiment with diffrerent configurations at home. So, what is the solution? The best I can think of right now is to combine the boxes into a number of modules that are small enough to lift, but where the wiring within a module would not need to be disturbed for transportation. Maybe one module for each K-line, plus one module for SO2R controller, sound card, and headphone amplifier. These modules would remain intact for home use. Each module would be held together by a slab of thin plywood onto which the radios etc would be bolted down. Having the Elecraft boxes so spaced would bring an extra benefit in that I would not have to handle the individual boxes with care, and the boxes would not be able to scratch each other. Each module could be wrapped in cloth and transported sitting on a car seat. The beautiful Storm Cases would no longer be used. The main issue then is how to bolt the boxes to the board. Some radios have threaded mounting holes on the sides, intended for mobile mounting brackets. I could add brackets to the module boards, but that would be extra work and weight. Ideally, the K3 would have threaded mounting holes on the bottom. Perhaps that could be achieved by changing some 2D connectors (normally used to hold together the panels of the K3 case) to bigger versions incorporating the mounting holes, and adding corresponding holes to the K3 bottom panels. I might even be able to do this myself, but being lazy I would much prefer to be able to buy the parts ready to use. Even modestly priced cameras come with a threaded tripod mounting hole. Why doesn't the K3 come with several? Having such mounting holes on all the K-line boxes would not just help with my board mounting scheme, but would be just as important for those building "go-boxes", and would also open an approach to mobile mounting. Another approach: add some kind of hardware to the sides of K-line boxes that allows them to be joined together like lego's. This would make the boards unnecessary. During these musings, my XYL walked in: "The amount of dust in the house is unhealthy, and I have scheduled the cleaning lady to come next Wednesday. You have cluttered up the tables with equipment everywhere. How can one dust properly when there is so much stuff?" I meakly answered that all pieces of equipment will have assigned locations when the remaining shelves are in place, but the number of items cannot be avoided. It occurs to me that K-line boxes mounted on a board would allow me to lift the whole assembly away to allow the shelf itself to be dusted by the cleaning lady. I would have to take on the task of dusting the board as well as the boxes, maybe using pre-chosen special brushes and/or vac attachments. If the K-line boxes were mechanically connected without the board, I wouldn't have to deal with dust on the board in the narrow space between boxes and board. Perhaps the hardware interconnecting the boxes could be accompanied by special foam pieces that prevent dust settling in the space between boxes (assuming the K3 side panel heatsink function would still be adequate). When cleaning, I would just have to pull off the foam and wash it. What about traditional dust covers? I have never tried them on my Elecraft equipment, but when I had them for other equipment, I was too lazy to use them. If I had them on my Elecraft boxes today, the necessity to removie them to operate would surely discourage me from getting on the air when I don't have a lot of time available. OTOH, a single big cover over a whole K-line might be helpful as it would save me from having to dust the equipment as removed from the shelf. In that scenario, the foam would not be needed. Years ago I equipped my vehicle with an old IC-735 HF radio, an SG-500 SmartPowerCube, and a screwdriver antenna. I was able to run 500W SSB even while driving. It functioned very well. However, I was never much of a phone operator, and after I had a few QSO's I almost never made use of HF-mobile. Today I may dream of a similar setup for the fun of creating it, but I know it won't be used. I really should sell the amp. Operating from a picnic table while parked makes much more sense. A fiberglass pole supported by the towing hitch would let me string up a decent wire antenna very quickly. Of my current radios, the KX3 would be a natural choice. However, with today's conditions, 100W would help a lot. Maybe I made a mistake when I sold my KXPA100 with tuner for $800. But hooking up the radio with the amp takes a little work for which I don't really have time during a brief roadside stop. As with the K-line, I would rather have the boxes mechanically as well as electrically connected together semi- permanently. I love the modularity inside Elecraft radios, but I really want a second level of modularity above the box level. The form factors of the K-line makes this rather easy to imagine. The panadapter for the KX3 conforms with the shape of the KX3, but the KXPA100 certainly does not. I imagine the KX3 mounted on a piece of plywood side by side with the KXPA100, and it doesn't look very slick. Ditto if a full go-box were used. Either way, my KX3 is first and foremost my rig for light portable QRP use, QRM sniffing, and decibel-resolution field strength measurement. If it were physically attached to other boxes, it had better be very quick and easy to remove the KX3 for separate use. Instead of mounting on a board I would like the lego-like mechanical connection to be accompanied by cable-less plug-in electrical connections that happen simultaneously with the mechanical. As I contemplate the cost of a KXPA100, I am sorely tempted instead to buy a new 100W HF radio, the FT-891, which sells new for $630, and maybe a matching LDG tuner. It bothers me that the FT-891 emits a terrible amount of phase noise, but when it is operated from the roadside, how many hams will be in range to experience interference? The Yaesu's slick little package would be much more convenient to handle than a piece of plywood with the KXPA100 and the KX3 mounted on it. Our nature-loving family friends in CA want to learn about ham radio as a way to call for help during their nature trips. They almost visited our FD site this year, just to find out how ham radio works. I am sure if they got into ham radio, they would use ssb, or possibly digital. If I show them ham radio by KX3 barefoot, with current conditions, they will probably conclude that ham radio doesn't work. If I show them the KX3 with KXPA, they will probably say it is too bulky, heavy, and complicated. The FD-891 might be a much better tool for making ham radio in the wilderness look practical. My son-in-law just bought a new house just 10 miles from ours. His family plans to live there only part of the year. I may be asked to house-sit a lot. That situation begs for a portable HF radio setup. Again the compact Yaseu looks a lot more convenient than the KX3 + KXPA100 combo. When I recover enough to go hiking, what radio will I bring? My KX1 was made for such use, but since I got spoiled by the KX3 I haven't touched it. The output power of the KX1 is certainly not as high as that of the KX3. A KX2 would be ideal, but the KX3 using internal batteries is quite easy to carry for a day hike when you don't need to carry a tent etc. I suspect I will soon sell the KX1, then use the KX3 until when/if I can justify a KX2. 73, Erik K7TV From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 21 18:55:39 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:55:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <39c1355c-ae52-2793-a763-c9d25d9d1415@af2z.net> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <2fe3c3c2-5fe6-80ed-fa07-9f6a652ee07e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <599B0C7C.3010805@roadrunner.com> <39c1355c-ae52-2793-a763-c9d25d9d1415@af2z.net> Message-ID: <14beded6-47c9-a066-bbf1-5a1ddbf93e8e@foothill.net> If you have no vision, reading text emails is a lot easier than having to mouse around in a forum. I occasionally get an email that my wife says is blue print on a beautiful forest green background.? I have no color vision and I can't read it, no contrast. The color schemes often used in forums regularly provide little or no contrast for me. The monochrome option for the P3 waterfall makes a huge positive difference for me, the one in color is unreadable.? Sometimes simple is the best answer. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/21/2017 12:37 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use > keyboard exclusively. Web forums require mouse > pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets on my nerves very quickly. But > for some people the mouse is easier. > > The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv > with forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no > point trying to convince people that their particular preference must > be wrong. > > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > > On 08/21/17 12:38, Roger D Johnson wrote: >> Let's see.... >> >> Assuming the computer is running here's what I have to do: >> >> 1. Bring up Thunderbird mail program >> >> 2. Select Elecraft folder >> >> 3. Scroll down and click on the email I want to read. >> >> For Antique Radio Forum, which I like very much, I do this: >> >> 1. Bring up ARF >> >> 2. Click on topic I want >> >> 3. Scroll through and click on email I want to read. >> >> Looks pretty much the same to me except ARF has things neatly >> categorized and >> topics that interest me are easy to find. >> >> 73, Roger N1RJ >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 21 19:28:03 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:28:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <95a8bf36-375e-f8d6-c28f-fd351743f587@elecraft.com> I apologize for not replying to this topic earlier. I was off email for a large part of the weekend. :-) While we appreciate the interest in switching the Elecraft List to a forum format, we can not watch all the topics in a multi topic forum. If there are web forum topics for every product we make, along with other topics, it will quickly be impossible for us to read and participate in all of them.? Also, we've observed that when lists like ours fragment into a multi-topic forum, they quickly lose the sense of community that we have here.? For those reasons we have always chosen to retain the list email format for the Elecraft list. As noted before, for those that prefer a searchable web based display of this list threaded by topic or in calendar date order, the Nabble web based real-time archive of the Elecraft list does an excellent job of providing a web based searchable and organized copy of this list. This addresses the 'forum' style need of most readers. See: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-f365791.topics.html Many of our users use the Nabble web interface as their primary method of reading the Elecraft list. Let's end this periodically recurring thread at this time. 73, Eric /Moderator etc. elecraft.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 21 20:18:06 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:18:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <20170819.080032.18663.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20170819.080032.18663.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <755845e9-ef5e-e122-6f13-1332b0184024@embarqmail.com> John, Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal with the Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my subscriptions to Yahoo groups. I detest signing onto each message group using a browser. My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each group into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you have to use filters to do that). The messages flow into their own folder leaving my inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me my own "digest" of the recent email messages for each group. I can deal with them as I have time. Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to "go away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not productive IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote: > I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily summary email... > > A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly) at the list of messages here: > http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html > > and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you. > > John AE5X > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > _______________________ > >> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products > all lumped in. > ____________________________________________________________ > 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods" > Nucific > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From n7rjn at nobis.net Mon Aug 21 20:31:48 2017 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 17:31:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <755845e9-ef5e-e122-6f13-1332b0184024@embarqmail.com> References: <20170819.080032.18663.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> <755845e9-ef5e-e122-6f13-1332b0184024@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <147251E0-C67F-47A4-B65F-5FCF13B918B8@nobis.net> Hi Don, I do the same thing with individual emails from the various Yahoo groups that I subscribe to. Email filtering is the key to effectively managing messages Bob Nobis n7rjn at nobis.net > On Aug 21, 2017, at 17:18, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > John, > > Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal with the Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my subscriptions to Yahoo groups. > > I detest signing onto each message group using a browser. > My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each group into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you have to use filters to do that). The messages flow into their own folder leaving my inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me my own "digest" of the recent email messages for each group. I can deal with them as I have time. > > Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to "go away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not productive IMHO. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote: >> I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily summary email... >> A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly) at the list of messages here: >> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html >> and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you. >> John AE5X >> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ >> _______________________ >>> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products >> all lumped in. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods" >> Nucific >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 21 20:33:56 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:33:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommendation please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee, Why use an interface box at all? The K3 has isolation transformers 'in the K3 box', and all you need is an inexpensive external soundcard. That is true no matter what the software soundcard digital mode may be. For rig control with the P3 in the station mix, the RS-232 cable to the PC should connect to the P3. Use DATA A mode except for RTTY where you would use AFSK A. You can use the internal soundcard in your computer, but it may also transmit system sounds (you can hear that on the air). The soundcard setup has nothing to do with which soundcard digital mode you may be using - if the software tries to set the audio (power) level, you may have to manipulate that between applications. In general it should be set to about 50%. Set the audio level to produce 4 bars solid on the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2 with the 5th bar flickering. With the software/soundcard sliders to 50%, adjust the LINE IN on the K3 to produce the required level on the ALC meter. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/20/2017 10:07 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: > I am running a K3 with an RS232 connection to my Win 10 computer. Basic > early model K3. I also have a p3. I want to move from a Signalink > interface to a West Mountain Advantage interface to get some more > flexibilty. I use N1MM to contest on CW and Rtty...MMTTY. I also want to > look at WSPR X modes. > From w2ljqrp at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 21:43:22 2017 From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2017 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Log Summaries Message-ID: <63a02f924b194e45ac55b80d2e3ba797@192.168.1.12> Thanks to all who participated in the 2017 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt last Sunday. Even though band conditions were reported to be less than ideal, I am hoping you had fun, nevertheless. Please remember that all Log Summaries are due NO LATER than MIdnight of Sunday evening, September 3rd. You can send them via e-mail to w2lj at arrl.net All log submissions will be confirmed with a follow up e-mail, so if you make a submission but don't hear from me, then please try again. 73 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager - Skeeter # 13 From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 23:58:33 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:58:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: References: <9587e974-8427-df57-7443-d686d2681eb6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: There are many FM repeater inputs / outputs above 53 MHz. 73 Ken - K0PP Montana Frequency Coordinator On Aug 21, 2017 9:52 PM, "Hank Greeb n8xx at arrl.org [KX3]" < KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote: Don't know if it is still active, but a few years ago there was a FM repeater output on 53.05 MHz in Cincinnati, OH 72/73 de n8xx Hg QRP >99.44% of the time On 8/21/2017 11:30 PM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote: > I am not certain what you want to hear above 53.000 MHz, but if you contact support with sufficient reason, they can give you a program that will open up the band limits. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/21/2017 10:47 PM, rob.at.theshed at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> G'Day >> How do I alter the Band Plan frequencies in my KX3..?? >> >> I was playing around with the 6 Metre band, when I noticed that once I pass 53.000MHz the radio shows "Band End". But looking through the Band Plans shows that the band extends to 54MHz. __._,_.___ ------------------------------ Posted by: Hank Greeb ------------------------------ Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (4) ------------------------------ Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. ------------------------------ Visit Your Group - New Members 10 [image: Yahoo! Groups] ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 22 00:20:53 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:20:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: References: <9587e974-8427-df57-7443-d686d2681eb6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <50EBFF9C-7282-428F-8AC2-FE0F23177C24@wunderwood.org> The original poster is in Australia. He?d be thrilled to hit a 6 m repeater in Cincinnati, but that might not be his primary use. :-) It appears that VK has permission to use 50-54 MHz, so I?m not sure why that isn?t working. The KX3 will work at 54 MHz. Maybe an e-mail to support at elecraft.com ? http://www.wia.org.au/members/bandplans/data/documents/Background%20-%206%20metres%202014.pdf wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 21, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > There are many FM repeater inputs / outputs above 53 MHz. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > Montana Frequency Coordinator > > On Aug 21, 2017 9:52 PM, "Hank Greeb n8xx at arrl.org [KX3]" < > KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Don't know if it is still active, but a few years ago there was a FM > repeater output on 53.05 MHz in Cincinnati, OH > > 72/73 de n8xx Hg > QRP >99.44% of the time > > > On 8/21/2017 11:30 PM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote: > >> I am not certain what you want to hear above 53.000 MHz, but if you > contact support with sufficient reason, they can give you a program that > will open up the band limits. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/21/2017 10:47 PM, rob.at.theshed at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >>> G'Day >>> How do I alter the Band Plan frequencies in my KX3..?? >>> >>> I was playing around with the 6 Metre band, when I noticed that once I > pass 53.000MHz the radio shows "Band End". But looking through the Band > Plans shows that the band extends to 54MHz. > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: Hank Greeb > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > ? Reply > to group ? Start > a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (4) > ------------------------------ > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app > on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your > inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email > again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > ------------------------------ > Visit Your Group > > > - New Members > > 10 > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > ? Privacy ? > Unsubscribe ? Terms > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From mwatterson at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 08:36:42 2017 From: mwatterson at gmail.com (Mike Watterson (K3MAW)) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:36:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <755845e9-ef5e-e122-6f13-1332b0184024@embarqmail.com> References: <20170819.080032.18663.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> <755845e9-ef5e-e122-6f13-1332b0184024@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, I do something very similar with my gmail account. I don't use an email client, just the web interface. Having the Elecraft emails its own folder makes it very easy to scan the subjects for topics of interest. Mike - K3MAW On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > Actually, I consider using individual emails the easiest way to deal with > the Elecraft reflector as well as any other email lists and my > subscriptions to Yahoo groups. > > I detest signing onto each message group using a browser. > My email client (I use Thunderbird), will sort the emails from each group > into individual folders I have created for each group (Yes, you have to use > filters to do that). The messages flow into their own folder leaving my > inbox clear of all but personal messages and gives me my own "digest" of > the recent email messages for each group. I can deal with them as I have > time. > > Recent suggestions to move this list to a forum style would cause me to > "go away" - sorting through a forum style is cumbersome and not productive > IMHO. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/19/2017 9:00 AM, John AE5X wrote: > >> I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the >> most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the >> daily summary email... >> >> A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly) at the >> list of messages here: >> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html >> >> and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email >> delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank >> you. >> >> John AE5X >> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ >> _______________________ >> >> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products >>> >> all lumped in. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> 3 Common Foods Surgeons Are Now Calling "Death Foods" >> Nucific >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599836a050160369f618dst01vuc >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mwatterson at gmail.com > From raysills3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 22 09:40:29 2017 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:40:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: <50EBFF9C-7282-428F-8AC2-FE0F23177C24@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <15e0a2c4fc4-c05-79f1@webjas-vad084.srv.aolmail.net> It's certainly a strange situation, reaching the "band edge" at 53 MHz. I'll have to admit, I've never tuned up that high in the band to see if I have the same situation with my KX3. I know that there are a number of repeaters here in EPA, and I'm sure some must be using that last MHz of the band. Historically, 6 meter repeaters grew to be popular in this area (near Philly) for mobile FM operation, because there were no over-the-air TV stations on Channel 2, and that would afford a 6 MHz buffer zone between that upper end of 6 meters and the Channel 3 station... a luxury not enjoyed by areas that did have a station on TV Channel 2. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 -----Original Message----- From: Walter Underwood To: Elecraft Sent: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 12:22 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans The original poster is in Australia. He?d be thrilled to hit a 6 m repeater in Cincinnati, but that might not be his primary use. :-)It appears that VK has permission to use 50-54 MHz, so I?m not sure why that isn?t working. The KX3 will work at 54 MHz. Maybe an e-mail to support at elecraft.com ?http://www.wia.org.au/members/bandplans/data/documents/Background%20-%206%20metres%202014.pdfwunderK6WRUWalter UnderwoodCM87wjhttp://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 09:54:38 2017 From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:54:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KXe Message-ID: The BNC Connector on my KX3 has become loose, is there a way to repair it? Thank you Aaron K5ATG From Andy at rickham.net Tue Aug 22 09:57:47 2017 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:57:47 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: <15e0a2c4fc4-c05-79f1@webjas-vad084.srv.aolmail.net> References: <15e0a2c4fc4-c05-79f1@webjas-vad084.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: <08FFD781-C499-4F1E-AD7C-C3A50A75D60B@rickham.net> Yup, I?ve just checked and my KX3 goes up to 54.000 and no further ? but at least it doesn?t stop at 53.000 MHz so it would work fine for the Australian 50 - 54 MHz band plan. Andy > On 22 Aug 2017, at 14:40, Raymond Sills wrote: > > > It's certainly a strange situation, reaching the "band edge" at 53 MHz. I'll have to admit, I've never tuned up that high in the band to see if I have the same situation with my KX3. I know that there are a number of repeaters here in EPA, and I'm sure some must be using that last MHz of the band. > Historically, 6 meter repeaters grew to be popular in this area (near Philly) for mobile FM operation, because there were no over-the-air TV stations on Channel 2, and that would afford a 6 MHz buffer zone between that upper end of 6 meters and the Channel 3 station... a luxury not enjoyed by areas that did have a station on TV Channel 2. > > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Underwood > To: Elecraft > Sent: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 12:22 am > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > > The original poster is in Australia. He?d be thrilled to hit a 6 m repeater in Cincinnati, but that might not be his primary use. :-)It appears that VK has permission to use 50-54 MHz, so I?m not sure why that isn?t working. The KX3 will work at 54 MHz. Maybe an e-mail to support at elecraft.com ?http://www.wia.org.au/members/bandplans/data/documents/Background%20-%206%20metres%202014.pdfwunderK6WRUWalter UnderwoodCM87wjhttp://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to andy at rickham.net From johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 22 10:45:37 2017 From: johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com (John) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:45:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KBT1 internal battery option Message-ID: <9A.EF.26203.EE24C995@cdptpa-omsmta01> I know it is a shot in the dark but... Anyone have this K1 option they would consider parting with. Please e-mail off list and thank you for your time. John K2JHU... From mbabineau at magma.ca Tue Aug 22 11:01:29 2017 From: mbabineau at magma.ca (Michael Babineau) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:01:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? Message-ID: <9F874649-4B67-483A-A166-4098B016442A@magma.ca> Drew et al : The only solution that I can think of that comes close to meeting the criteria you mentioned is perhaps Groups.IO. Many Ham Radio related Yahoo Groups have migrated to Groups.IO (including one that I own) and it has a number of options including email, email digest as well as web-only and it has threading based on topic to make facilitate following a conversation. One nice feature is the ability to create sub-groups that members of the main group may choose to subscribe to, which is great for reducing the load on a busy group that may have discussions on topics that not all members are interested in. Also it has Wiki cababilites as well as storage for photos and files and the usual calendar with notification options and polling as well. The plus over Yahoo is that their search capabilty actually works properly ! Migration from Yahoo to Groups.IO is painless but I suspect that it would take a fair bit of work to migrate from a list-server such as this group over to Groups.IO and I am not sure you could preserve the existing postiing history very easily, which is a downside. Cheers Michaell VE3WMB >From: Drew AF2Z > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? >Date: August 21, 2017 at 3:37:38 PM GMT-4 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Reply-To: pubx1 at af2z.net >Main difference to me is that with mail reader software I can use keyboard exclusively. Web forums require mouse pointing/scrolling/clicking which gets on my nerves very quickly. But for some people the mouse is easier. >The only solution is a good software solution that combines listserv with forum. This still does not exist. In the meantime there's no point trying to convince people that their particular preference must be wrong. >73, >Drew >AF2Z From johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 22 11:03:49 2017 From: johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com (John) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KBT1 internal battery option In-Reply-To: <9A.EF.26203.EE24C995@cdptpa-omsmta01> Message-ID: <26.0B.12431.2374C995@cdptpa-omsmta03> I just found one. Boy that was quick. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:46 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KBT1 internal battery option I know it is a shot in the dark but... Anyone have this K1 option they would consider parting with. Please e-mail off list and thank you for your time. John K2JHU... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Aug 22 11:53:31 2017 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 07:53:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans Message-ID: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> No problem if you come to Alaska. Most 6m activity is 50 - 50.300, 52.525 and one repeater in Anchorage on 52.81 (51.11 input) which is not usable 100km (65 mi) south of Anchorage using a 24-foot high J-pole (only 20% quieting) and requires over 100w to access. In my opinion 6m ground-wave s**ks when compared with 2m or 222. Anchorage has a 224.94 (223.34) repeater that runs S9 over the same path. Propagation on 222 often exceeds that on 2m (we get frequent inversion layer wx). I run 30w on 222 FM with a new Bridgecom radio (traded my 222-28 transverter since there was no CW/SSB activity). I have a 150w amp on 222 for those that use only a HT and "wet noodle" antenna. 222 is the "overlooked" ham band by mfr's - a real shame! BTW the KX3 works very well on 6m (receive sensitivity with PRE on comparable with my K3+PR6). It drives the KXPA100 just as nicely (even nicer with remote control line using the KXAT100 for mobile HF/6m). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From pincon at erols.com Tue Aug 22 12:25:05 2017 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 12:25:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> 6M FM mobile operation tends to be less bothered by hill & valley drop out. We have done extensive testing here in the Washington * DC area using 52, 146, 223 & 449 FM with identical mobile antennas & power out, communicating directly with home stations. A separate wide coverage 220 repeater was used to coordinate the testing. When you are operating purposely with relatively weak signals, as you go up in frequency, the signal loss is much worse when you pop over a hill into a small valley, which may be only a 20 to 50 feet difference in height, where-as the lower freqs seem to "fill-in" better. Admittedly we did not do any testing in a metro environment, where the higher freqs (440?) may yield better coverage due to building reflections. Our testing was performed strictly in open country of Maryland and no. Virginia. 73, Charlie k3ICH * Potomac Area VHF Society, tests done in the early 70's -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:54 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans No problem if you come to Alaska. Most 6m activity is 50 - 50.300, 52.525 and one repeater in Anchorage on 52.81 (51.11 input) which is not usable 100km (65 mi) south of Anchorage using a 24-foot high J-pole (only 20% quieting) and requires over 100w to access. In my opinion 6m ground-wave s**ks when compared with 2m or 222. Anchorage has a 224.94 (223.34) repeater that runs S9 over the same path. Propagation on 222 often exceeds that on 2m (we get frequent inversion layer wx). I run 30w on 222 FM with a new Bridgecom radio (traded my 222-28 transverter since there was no CW/SSB activity). I have a 150w amp on 222 for those that use only a HT and "wet noodle" antenna. 222 is the "overlooked" ham band by mfr's - a real shame! BTW the KX3 works very well on 6m (receive sensitivity with PRE on comparable with my K3+PR6). It drives the KXPA100 just as nicely (even nicer with remote control line using the KXAT100 for mobile HF/6m). 73, Ed - KL7UW From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 22 13:27:22 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:27:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> Message-ID: On 8/22/2017 9:25 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > When you are operating purposely with relatively weak signals, as you go up > in frequency, the signal loss is much worse when you pop over a hill into a > small valley, which may be only a 20 to 50 feet difference in height, > where-as the lower freqs seem to "fill-in" better. UHF systems were so dominant in "flatland" Chicago that I didn't realize that systems in the low VHF region below 50 MHz existed. When I moved to California, I learned that these low VHF systems are widely used exactly because of this "fill-in" property, so necessary in the mountainous terrain of much of the state. 73, Jim K9YC From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Aug 22 13:41:36 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 12:41:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> Message-ID: <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> The Tennessee Highway Patrol still maintains their state wide systems, base & mobile, in the 48/49 MHz range for this reason. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 8/22/2017 9:25 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> When you are operating purposely with relatively weak signals, as you go up >> in frequency, the signal loss is much worse when you pop over a hill into a >> small valley, which may be only a 20 to 50 feet difference in height, >> where-as the lower freqs seem to "fill-in" better. > > UHF systems were so dominant in "flatland" Chicago that I didn't realize that systems in the low VHF region below 50 MHz existed. When I moved to California, I learned that these low VHF systems are widely used exactly because of this "fill-in" property, so necessary in the mountainous terrain of much of the state. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Aug 22 13:48:47 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:48:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead? In-Reply-To: <95a8bf36-375e-f8d6-c28f-fd351743f587@elecraft.com> References: <1503144745835-7633522.post@n2.nabble.com> <95a8bf36-375e-f8d6-c28f-fd351743f587@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <6687f63d-cb00-e2d5-3b78-c3408a4b8836@elecraft.com> Let's end this thread immediately, as it was already closed yesterday per my earlier list email below. 73, Eric Mooderator /elecraft.com/ --- On 8/21/2017 4:28 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > I apologize for not replying to this topic earlier. I was off email for a > large part of the weekend. :-) > > While we appreciate the interest in switching the Elecraft List to a forum > format, we can not watch all the topics in a multi topic forum. If there are > web forum topics for every product we make, along with other topics, it will > quickly be impossible for us to read and participate in all of them.? Also, > we've observed that when lists like ours fragment into a multi-topic forum, > they quickly lose the sense of community that we have here.? For those reasons > we have always chosen to retain the list email format for the Elecraft list. > > As noted before, for those that prefer a searchable web based display of this > list threaded by topic or in calendar date order, the Nabble web based > real-time archive of the Elecraft list does an excellent job of providing a > web based searchable and organized copy of this list. This addresses the > 'forum' style need of most readers. > > See: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-f365791.topics.html > > Many of our users use the Nabble web interface as their primary method of > reading the Elecraft list. > > Let's end this periodically recurring thread at this time. > > 73, > Eric > /Moderator etc. > elecraft.com/ From w2cdo at live.com Tue Aug 22 16:07:43 2017 From: w2cdo at live.com (Peter Alterman) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:07:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability Message-ID: Reading Drew's (AF2Z's) comment, "The single most important feature that would get me to spring for a K4 would be advanced noise abatement controls. I have little idea how the NR & NB work, but strictly from the user standpoint instead of scrolling through a small assortment of fixed presets I envision several continuously variable controls that would allow us to adjust the several noise limiting parameters. Perhaps having some kind of graphical display showing a dimensional representation of the noise parameter space and the noise itself would help in zeroing in on the best noise reduction..." I wondered if such a graphical capability couldn't be created in software for the current set of Elecraft radios? That would be a great way to make the NB/NR capabilities of the current radios much more user friendly. regards, Peter W2CDO From efortner at ctc.net Tue Aug 22 16:31:26 2017 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003401d31b85$a17005f0$e45011d0$@net> I agree 100% Earl, K4KAY To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability Reading Drew's (AF2Z's) comment, "The single most important feature that would get me to spring for a K4 would be advanced noise abatement controls. I have little idea how the NR & NB work, but strictly from the user standpoint instead of scrolling through a small assortment of fixed presets I envision several continuously variable controls that would allow us to adjust the several noise limiting parameters. Perhaps having some kind of graphical display showing a dimensional representation of the noise parameter space and the noise itself would help in zeroing in on the best noise reduction..." I wondered if such a graphical capability couldn't be created in software for the current set of Elecraft radios? That would be a great way to make the NB/NR capabilities of the current radios much more user friendly. regards, Peter W2CDO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 22 17:11:35 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:11:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d95fcf-6aa1-2071-5fb7-f154fd893738@embarqmail.com> Peter, Since "one size" does not fit all noise sources, I believe that what you suggest is not practical. It may be that something could be done to provide the most useful noise reduction for "average noise", but the closest to that right now would be the default settings in the K3/K3S. If you do not know what the default settings are, save your K3/K3S configuration, then do an EEINIT (Reset to Factory Defaults), then look at the NB and NR settings. Finally load the saved configuration file and then set the NB and NR settings to the defaults that you recorded. Be aware that some of the settings are per band, so you will have to check them on each band. That will give you a "one button" NB and NR as you might find in many other amateur transceivers. I am glad that the K3/K3S offers adjustability for the NB and NR parameters. It does take some study to learn how to use the parameters provided, but if you do that study, you will be rewarded with good noise reduction for most any type of noise. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2017 4:07 PM, Peter Alterman wrote: > Reading Drew's (AF2Z's) comment, > > "The single most important feature that would get me to spring for a K4 > would be advanced noise abatement controls. I have little idea how the > NR & NB work, but strictly from the user standpoint instead of scrolling > through a small assortment of fixed presets I envision several > continuously variable controls that would allow us to adjust the several > noise limiting parameters. Perhaps having some kind of graphical display > showing a dimensional representation of the noise parameter space and > the noise itself would help in zeroing in on the best noise reduction..." From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 22 17:14:07 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:14:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> Message-ID: The California Highway Patrol holds on to their 47 MHz frequencies for the same reason. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > The Tennessee Highway Patrol still maintains their state wide systems, base & mobile, in the 48/49 MHz range for this reason. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On 8/22/2017 9:25 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >>> When you are operating purposely with relatively weak signals, as you go up >>> in frequency, the signal loss is much worse when you pop over a hill into a >>> small valley, which may be only a 20 to 50 feet difference in height, >>> where-as the lower freqs seem to "fill-in" better. >> >> UHF systems were so dominant in "flatland" Chicago that I didn't realize that systems in the low VHF region below 50 MHz existed. When I moved to California, I learned that these low VHF systems are widely used exactly because of this "fill-in" property, so necessary in the mountainous terrain of much of the state. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Aug 22 17:15:00 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:15:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - P3 Utility Command Tester - solved Message-ID: <2fbd68e2-569f-af7e-6d91-b1de7e3ce412@foothill.net> I have solved my perceived problem sending commands to the P3.? It was indeed pilot error, coupled with age-related declining vision ... the field in K3 and P3 commands is an exact template [which I knew] and I miscounted the number of leading zeros.? Enlarging the P3 Pgmr Ref PDF confirmed that the pilot can't see very well. Fortunately, if the print is big enough, he can still count. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Aug 22 17:34:01 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:34:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability In-Reply-To: <17d95fcf-6aa1-2071-5fb7-f154fd893738@embarqmail.com> References: <17d95fcf-6aa1-2071-5fb7-f154fd893738@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <57888453-819c-0576-9be1-b3e4226fcad6@blomand.net> One point I've observed is the fact the noise on a given band may not be the same from day to day, or week to week.? Thus I find it necessary to tweak the values of NR and NB for best performance. Same issues with band to band, i.e. what I need on 80M is no where close to what I need on 6M in terms of NR and NB. ? And, the NR and NB are very different in their performance character in terms of handling noise artifacts. One thing that also helps is to use minimum necessary RF gain and correct utilization of Attenuation.? Thus on 160M and 80M and to some extent 40M, I use 15 dB Attenuation and reduce the RF gain a wee bit.? In doing so, the signals pop out of the noise. A point to consider is optimum receiver performance occurs when the band noise floor is 10 dB to 15 dB above the receiver noise floor.? Since we can't really change the receiver noise floor, we must change what is arriving at the front end.? This means some degree of attenuation and RF Gain reduction is required.? For the math.......if no signal band noise is -97 dBm or S-5 and the receiver noise floor is - 125 dBm, a difference of 28 dB, the receiver should have 15 dB of attenuation activated.?? You can do the same with the RF Gain by reducing it about 3 or 4 S units. Too much RF gain being utilized in an attempt to hear weak signals is not necessarily a good thing.? As one goes higher in frequency, usually band noise decreases and finally to a point where the PRE should be used.?? In many cases I've heard hams describe the use of? ATTN is to prevent receiver overload.? While true under some cases, most residential QTH locations and antennas won't encounter enough signal to overload the receiver.? Thus the ATTN function is more beneficial when used in correct receiving gain structure. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/22/2017 4:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Peter, > > Since "one size" does not fit all noise sources, I believe that what > you suggest is not practical. > It may be that something could be done to provide the most useful > noise reduction for "average noise", but the closest to that right now > would be the default settings in the K3/K3S. > > If you do not know what the default settings are, save your K3/K3S > configuration, then do an EEINIT (Reset to Factory Defaults), then > look at the NB and NR settings.? Finally load the saved configuration > file and then set the NB and NR settings to the defaults that you > recorded. Be aware that some of the settings are per band, so you will > have to check them on each band. > > That will give you a "one button" NB and NR as you might find in many > other amateur transceivers. > > I am glad that the K3/K3S offers adjustability for the NB and NR > parameters.? It does take some study to learn how to use the > parameters provided, but if you do that study, you will be rewarded > with good noise reduction for most any type of noise. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From potrzebie49 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 17:34:19 2017 From: potrzebie49 at yahoo.com (John Svihra) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <739166930.58734.1503437659499@mail.yahoo.com> If you mean the whole connector is loose on the KX3, you have to get inside and tighten the nut holding it on to the box. ?I just did this, and it was easier than I thought. ?You have to open up the radio and look where the connector is attached. ?I had a 2-meter board and an ATU board underneath it, blocking access to the nut. ?I had to remove these boards, and I was then able to use an end wrench to tighten the nut. ?This was easy involving 5 screw/nuts. Details given in the KX3 assembly manual. ?Be sure to remove all power and batteries before beginning. ?Be careful of electrostatic charges in handling the boards and handle the attached cables carefully. If you mean the inside connector of BNC itself, there is a tubular tool that slides inside to tighten or loosen this. ?Search for BNC conector wrench or spanner. JohnNL7VE Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: The BNC Connector on my KX3 has become loose, is there a way to repair it? Thank you Aaron K5ATG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to potrzebie49 at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 22 17:36:17 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:36:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KXe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <566d5a1e-98e6-c8bd-99de-c2e8cfc96128@embarqmail.com> Aaron, The most likely cause is that the nut on the BNC jack has worked loose. It should be easy to tighten, although you will likely have to remove the 2 meter option (if you have it) and the KXAT3. See page 25 of the KX3 Assembly Manual. Use a wrench to tighten the nut, and while tightening the nut, put a BNC connector on the outside of the jack and hold it with pliers so you can torque the nut tight without damaging the BNC jack. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2017 9:54 AM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: > The BNC Connector on my KX3 has become loose, is there a way to repair it? From k2asp at kanafi.org Tue Aug 22 17:37:53 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:37:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> Message-ID: On 8/22/2017 2:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The California Highway Patrol holds on to their 47 MHz frequencies for the same reason. 42 MHz. Augmented by a whole system of VHF and UHF portables working through in-car repeaters into and out of the 42 MHz network. From jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com Tue Aug 22 18:00:16 2017 From: jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com (Jack Colson) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:00:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Link to my house listing Message-ID: http://matrix.mlscitrus.com/DE.asp?ID=93071622 From donovanf at starpower.net Tue Aug 22 18:03:28 2017 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Link to my house listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1666818652.59095.1503439408425.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Moving back to mt. Airy? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Colson <jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Link to my house listing http://matrix.mlscitrus.com/DE.asp?ID=93071622 <http://matrix.mlscitrus.com/DE.asp?ID=93071622> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Aug 22 18:08:58 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:08:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [WTB] KPA500/KAT500 Message-ID: <1503439738360-7633688.post@n2.nabble.com> WTB - KPA500/KAT500. Looking for current hardware versions, factory built, excellent condition, no repairs made/needed. Please contact me off-list cbjesseeNH (at) comcast (dot) net by 8/25/17. No replies after. Thanks. Bret/N4SRN (Bedford, NH USA) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-KPA500-KAT500-tp7633688.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 22 18:26:26 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:26:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D3C907-CF47-4A37-A18E-FCE02265BA93@wunderwood.org> That is a pretty good description of how the KX3 NR works right now, except it doesn?t have a graphic UI. From the release notes for 1.47: The RX NR menu entry can be used to adjust all three NR parameters (B=beta, D=decay, M=wet/dry mix). The M parameter now has a range of 0-10, matching the range available when the knob above the NR switch is used (see above). As before, all parameters can be adjusted separately for CW and voice modes. In most cases the factory default settings can be used for beta and decay, and the mix adjusted for the desired overall amount of NR using the knob (without using the menu). You can also now reset all NR parameters to factory defaults by holding CLR. And from release 1.10: RX NR x MENU ENTRY ADDED: Allows the user to customize receive noise reduction (NR). The letter appearing at ?x? in the menu entry name shows which parameter is being adjusted: B (beta; tap ?1?), D (decay; tap ?2?), or M (wet/dry mix; tap ?3?). The defaults are recommended, and this menu entry is locked to prevent accidental changes. The NR settings for CW are separate from those for voice modes. Using the RX NR menu entry: Unlock the parameter by holding KHZ for about 3 seconds; the VFO A lock icon will disappear. Then tap ?1?, ?2?, or ?3? to select a parameter to change. You can turn NR on/off while in the menu to test its effectiveness. The default beta is 5 for CW and 10 for voice modes. A lower beta will further reduce noise, but may attenuate weak signals. The default decay is 240. A much lower decay value will allow NR to track fading signals better, at the expense of somewhat worse noise rejection. The mix value determines how much of the signal is ?dry? (unprocessed) vs. ?wet? (processed). The default is 220 in CW mode and 250 in voice modes?essentially ?all wet?. You might want to use a lower mix number to reduce the ?hollow? sound or to minimize the effect of NR on weak signals. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 22, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Peter Alterman wrote: > > Reading Drew's (AF2Z's) comment, > > "The single most important feature that would get me to spring for a K4 > would be advanced noise abatement controls. I have little idea how the > NR & NB work, but strictly from the user standpoint instead of scrolling > through a small assortment of fixed presets I envision several > continuously variable controls that would allow us to adjust the several > noise limiting parameters. Perhaps having some kind of graphical display > showing a dimensional representation of the noise parameter space and > the noise itself would help in zeroing in on the best noise reduction..." > > I wondered if such a graphical capability couldn't be created in software for the current set of Elecraft radios? > That would be a great way to make the NB/NR capabilities of the current radios much more user friendly. > > regards, > > Peter W2CDO > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From paulnf8j at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 21:17:16 2017 From: paulnf8j at gmail.com (Paul VanOveren) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:17:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3 Message-ID: K3, serial # 758 100 watt module K3ATU Automatic Antenna Tuner, provides 2nd antenna input KRX3-F 2nd Receiver, Factory installed KDVR-3 Digital Voice Recorder, Factory installed K3DSP DSP Board upgrades, Factory installed KIO3 Digital IO Board, provides separate receive antenna input also KFL3A Matching 250 KHZ CW filters 8 pole KFL3A Matching 500 KHZ CW filters 5 pole KFL3A Matching 2.7 KHZ SSB filters 5 pole Cosmetically 9/10 Non smoking shack Picturess available Shipped CONUS only $2500.00 NF8J Grand Rapids, Mi 616 541-3378 paulnf8j at gmail.com From w6jhb at me.com Wed Aug 23 00:13:04 2017 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:13:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Enclosure Message-ID: Just completed the assembly of the Elecraft BL2 balun. Nice unit, but I'm a tad disappointed that there is no enclosure for it, optional or included. Since there are exposed electronic connections on it, and because I'll be connecting it to 450-ohm ladder line that handles line barbed wire, I hate just having the BL2 flopping around. A buddy of mine mentioned that he thought at one time there was someone on this reflector who was offering an enclosure for the BL2. Does anyone here have information on such an item? Or, has anyone here with a 3D printer attempted building one? Thx, Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA From huntinhmb at coastside.net Wed Aug 23 01:25:24 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:25:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Enclosure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ACB3D83-955D-42AF-8E40-7645D5261CFC@coastside.net> Links are at the bottom of the Elecraft main page. Here's link to the BL2 case. http://www.w8fgu.com/bl2encl.html Brian, K0DTJ > On Aug 22, 2017, at 21:13, James Bennett wrote: > > Just completed the assembly of the Elecraft BL2 balun. Nice unit, but I'm a tad disappointed that there is no enclosure for it, optional or included. Since there are exposed electronic connections on it, and because I'll be connecting it to 450-ohm ladder line that handles line barbed wire, I hate just having the BL2 flopping around. > > A buddy of mine mentioned that he thought at one time there was someone on this reflector who was offering an enclosure for the BL2. Does anyone here have information on such an item? Or, has anyone here with a 3D printer attempted building one? > > Thx, > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA From jthorpe at liberty.edu Wed Aug 23 03:32:31 2017 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 07:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Enclosure In-Reply-To: References: <9ACB3D83-955D-42AF-8E40-7645D5261CFC@coastside.net>, Message-ID: <44605A5A-9798-43A8-AE46-CED6565E36DB@liberty.edu> You can also use a short section of 2" PVC with a couple end-caps that have proper sized holes drilled for your wire. Jeff - KG7HDZ > On Aug 22, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Brian Hunt wrote: > > Links are at the bottom of the Elecraft main page. Here's link to the BL2 case. > http://www.w8fgu.com/bl2encl.html > > Brian, K0DTJ > >> On Aug 22, 2017, at 21:13, James Bennett wrote: >> >> Just completed the assembly of the Elecraft BL2 balun. Nice unit, but I'm a tad disappointed that there is no enclosure for it, optional or included. Since there are exposed electronic connections on it, and because I'll be connecting it to 450-ohm ladder line that handles line barbed wire, I hate just having the BL2 flopping around. >> >> A buddy of mine mentioned that he thought at one time there was someone on this reflector who was offering an enclosure for the BL2. Does anyone here have information on such an item? Or, has anyone here with a 3D printer attempted building one? >> >> Thx, >> >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 07:09:50 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:09:50 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Enclosure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6d332e4b-173c-6ef5-0860-748675c323b9@gmail.com> Home Depot (etc.) has various sizes of waterproof plastic boxes that you could use. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 23 Aug 2017 07:13, James Bennett wrote: > Just completed the assembly of the Elecraft BL2 balun. Nice unit, but > I'm a tad disappointed that there is no enclosure for it, optional or > included. Since there are exposed electronic connections on it, and > because I'll be connecting it to 450-ohm ladder line that handles > line barbed wire, I hate just having the BL2 flopping around. > > A buddy of mine mentioned that he thought at one time there was > someone on this reflector who was offering an enclosure for the BL2. > Does anyone here have information on such an item? Or, has anyone > here with a 3D printer attempted building one? > > Thx, > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA From gallsup at whoi.edu Wed Aug 23 08:56:26 2017 From: gallsup at whoi.edu (geoffrey allsup) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KX3 In-Reply-To: <566d5a1e-98e6-c8bd-99de-c2e8cfc96128@embarqmail.com> References: <566d5a1e-98e6-c8bd-99de-c2e8cfc96128@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <6BE7F3B0-E34F-4A35-932D-74EA762D35BB@whoi.edu> I noticed this issue when I first assembled my KX3. The simple cure for me after tightening the BNC a couple of times early on was to use a right-angle BNC adapter all the time. No more problems, and the coax conveniently pays off to the rear of the rig :-) 73, geoff - W1OH *********************************************************************** Geoff Allsup, W1OH gallsup at whoi.edu or w1oh at whoi.edu Senior Engineer Upper Ocean Processes Group Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA, USA *********************************************************************** > On Aug 22, 2017, at 17:36, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Aaron, > > The most likely cause is that the nut on the BNC jack has worked loose. It should be easy to tighten, although you will likely have to remove the 2 meter option (if you have it) and the KXAT3. > See page 25 of the KX3 Assembly Manual. > Use a wrench to tighten the nut, and while tightening the nut, put a BNC connector on the outside of the jack and hold it with pliers so you can torque the nut tight without damaging the BNC jack. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 8/22/2017 9:54 AM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: >> The BNC Connector on my KX3 has become loose, is there a way to repair it? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gallsup at whoi.edu > From dave at w8fgu.com Wed Aug 23 10:52:58 2017 From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave W8FGU) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:52:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Enclosure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15e0f94d630.284b.96e80410205cf590e45b6250d389e5fb@w8fgu.com> GM Jim, This is Dave W8FGU and yes, I'm still producing enclosures for Elecraft's mini module line. Much to my amazement, I'm seeing an increase in business in the last couple of years despite thinking that I saturated the market a number of years ago. This is a great tribute to Elecraft and the large number of hams who enjoy building kits and home brewing. Look at www.w8fgu.com and you can browse the various enclosures I make including the BL2. Thanks all for the shameless plug ;-) 73, Dave W8FGU On August 23, 2017 00:14:03 James Bennett wrote: > Just completed the assembly of the Elecraft BL2 balun. Nice unit, but I'm a > tad disappointed that there is no enclosure for it, optional or included. > Since there are exposed electronic connections on it, and because I'll be > connecting it to 450-ohm ladder line that handles line barbed wire, I hate > just having the BL2 flopping around. > > A buddy of mine mentioned that he thought at one time there was someone on > this reflector who was offering an enclosure for the BL2. Does anyone here > have information on such an item? Or, has anyone here with a 3D printer > attempted building one? > > Thx, > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at w8fgu.com From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 10:58:58 2017 From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:58:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector Message-ID: Thank you everybody, the issue has been corrected. From rich at wc3t.us Wed Aug 23 10:57:29 2017 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:57:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Enclosure In-Reply-To: <15e0f94d630.284b.96e80410205cf590e45b6250d389e5fb@w8fgu.com> References: <15e0f94d630.284b.96e80410205cf590e45b6250d389e5fb@w8fgu.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this; I was thinking of getting the BL2 but held off until I could cobble together an enclosure. Since all that cobbling is now done, I think this might be a good next purchase. :D --- 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), Rich Hurd / WC3T DMR ID: 3142737 Northampton County RACES EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Dave W8FGU wrote: > GM Jim, > > This is Dave W8FGU and yes, I'm still producing enclosures for Elecraft's > mini module line. Much to my amazement, I'm seeing an increase in business > in the last couple of years despite thinking that I saturated the market a > number of years ago. This is a great tribute to Elecraft and the large > number of hams who enjoy building kits and home brewing. > > Look at www.w8fgu.com and you can browse the various enclosures I make > including the BL2. > > Thanks all for the shameless plug ;-) > > 73, > Dave W8FGU > > > > On August 23, 2017 00:14:03 James Bennett wrote: > > Just completed the assembly of the Elecraft BL2 balun. Nice unit, but I'm >> a tad disappointed that there is no enclosure for it, optional or included. >> Since there are exposed electronic connections on it, and because I'll be >> connecting it to 450-ohm ladder line that handles line barbed wire, I hate >> just having the BL2 flopping around. >> >> A buddy of mine mentioned that he thought at one time there was someone >> on this reflector who was offering an enclosure for the BL2. Does anyone >> here have information on such an item? Or, has anyone here with a 3D >> printer attempted building one? >> >> Thx, >> >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dave at w8fgu.com >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > From brendon at whateley.com Wed Aug 23 11:21:35 2017 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:21:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KXe In-Reply-To: <566d5a1e-98e6-c8bd-99de-c2e8cfc96128@embarqmail.com> References: <566d5a1e-98e6-c8bd-99de-c2e8cfc96128@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: If it is a recurring problem, why not put a drop of Loctite (probably 242 which is non-permanent) on the thread. That should solve the problem. - Brendon KK6AYI On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Aaron, > > The most likely cause is that the nut on the BNC jack has worked loose. It > should be easy to tighten, although you will likely have to remove the 2 > meter option (if you have it) and the KXAT3. > See page 25 of the KX3 Assembly Manual. > Use a wrench to tighten the nut, and while tightening the nut, put a BNC > connector on the outside of the jack and hold it with pliers so you can > torque the nut tight without damaging the BNC jack. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 8/22/2017 9:54 AM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: > >> The BNC Connector on my KX3 has become loose, is there a way to repair it? >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From hickspj467 at comcast.net Wed Aug 23 13:24:01 2017 From: hickspj467 at comcast.net (P.J.Hicks) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction Message-ID: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. PJH, N7PXY From stuberkenneth at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 13:38:57 2017 From: stuberkenneth at yahoo.com (N4KS) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:38:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT-100 Message-ID: <1503509937643-7633700.post@n2.nabble.com> WTB KAT-100 external antenna tuner for K2/100. I'm good on QRZ.com. ----- Ken N4KS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-KAT-100-tp7633700.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Aug 23 13:45:16 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:45:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KX3 In-Reply-To: <6BE7F3B0-E34F-4A35-932D-74EA762D35BB@whoi.edu> References: <566d5a1e-98e6-c8bd-99de-c2e8cfc96128@embarqmail.com> <6BE7F3B0-E34F-4A35-932D-74EA762D35BB@whoi.edu> Message-ID: On 8/23/2017 5:56 AM, geoffrey allsup wrote: > I noticed this issue when I first assembled my KX3. The simple cure > for me after tightening the BNC a couple of times early on was to use > a right-angle BNC adapter all the time. No more problems, and the > coax conveniently pays off to the rear of the rig :-) I use that trick on all the BNC fittings on the preamps, filters, and multicouplers in my receiving signal distribution system mounted on a vertical backboard. Makes connection much easier. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Aug 23 14:03:58 2017 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:03:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans Message-ID: <201708231804.v7NI3wgZ010329@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> To all who cite how their state police use low-band VHF (30-50 MHz). Yes, I've heard that touted for years (decades), yet the Alaska Troopers (state police) use high-band VHF (150-175 MHz). Their car-to-car simplex is 155.250 MHz. Only state utility that uses low-band (47-MHz) is the AK DOT. I personally know that they installed a base station in the home of a worker (his wife was KL7UP-sk) perched on a hill overlooking Turnagain arm to provide a link from Anchorage (about 25-miles) to a hwy maint camp 16-miles further up a mountain valley. They now have a hwy repeater near the maint camp others along the Seward Hwy which probably provides hwy coverage. The Seward Hwy+Sterling Hwy "are" the"I-5" of Alaska (not to mean its a freeway - its mostly 2-lane 55mph hwy - but see's highest traffic use in AK). So all I can say about 6m prop from Kenai to Anchorage: low rolling hills and over water is that higher frequencies (222) propagate better (1991- to date experience). Now I return the reflector to normal "Elecraft oriented" use. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From kkinderen at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 15:14:20 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:14:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'd love to hear some A/B audio samples of nitPic if they become available. It operates at AF? Operates well in congested bands? I've always been told that by the time the signal is demodulated to AF the damage is done. Why I believe this I have no clue. So when I hear something about noise reduction or filtering on AF it always makes me think of howling CW and scratchy voice. The best filter I used at audio was the old Autek QF-1A. Boy could I get that howling! I think I need to catch up and learn new old ham tales. 73, Kev K4VD On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 1:24 PM, P.J.Hicks wrote: > I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK > that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears > that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will > hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the > audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it > can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in > 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal > or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds > simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice > versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out > CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my > PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. > > So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. > > PJH, N7PXY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com > From phystad at mac.com Wed Aug 23 15:32:41 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:32:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo Message-ID: <9A6520EB-1167-4561-A6C6-2649F043EFB7@mac.com> I have configured my KX3 with my KXPA100 (previously used only with KX2) following all instructions (I think) in the KXPA100 user manual. First comment ? everything works, antenna tuner on KXPA100 works, power out 100 watts on all bands, and so on. Weird stuff: 1. I Held Keyer/Mic/PWR button for power display, showing 100 watts. Then, I immediately pushed Band+ to switch up to next band. No band switching too place but the display changed from 100 watts on KX3 back to the clock. Pressing Band+ once more results in band switching as expected. This happens every time in the sequence I describe and I am wondering if (a) this is normal, (b) something is not yet configured correctly. 2. My reason for Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to display power is because after switching bands and after tuning the antenna for a low SWR (about 1.1:1) the power output was only about 10 watts. I did a Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to see the power output and it was indeed 100 watts and not 10. I then keyed down and then the output was 100 watts. This does not seem normal to me. None of these two behaviors occurred on my KX2. Any ideas or comments? 73, phil, K7PEH From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Aug 23 16:22:55 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:22:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Ecoflex cable Message-ID: <7beb9a07-fd9a-1955-5596-5c6102d6cf0b@triconet.org> About three years ago I purchased some Ecoflex-10 cable assemblies from Vibroplex. These had what seemed to be very nicely made PL-259 type connectors preinstalled. (Getting lazy in my old age) It appears that Vibroplex no longer sells these but other vendors do. This note is to report on the performance in the field so far. In addition to the ones used as patch cords in the station, I installed one 60 foot length on my Rohn fold-over tower from the base to the Yagi on top. The upper end was used as a rotor loop, so it saw that flexing. Prior to installing this cable I performed characterization measurements using my DG8SAQ vector network analyzer (http://sdr-kits.net/VNWA3_Description.html) running the supplied software and post processing the s11 data with Zplots (http://ac6la.com/zplots1.html). The VNWA was calibrated with SMA standards but of course, measured with SMA-to-UHF adapters. No attempt was made at that time to pick nits and subtract out adapter errors as they are pretty meaningless in this application. Cited with ridiculous precision, the loss at 30 MHz was 0.438 dB. A few days ago I had need to fold over the tower for another purpose and decided to remeasure this cable and see how it's fared after nearly three years exposure in the Arizona desert. The present attenuation was 0.483 dB, which is remarkably close, especially considering the uncertainties involved. I am quite pleased and wouldn't hesitate to use this wherever flexing is an issue. I will continue to use Heliax where it isn't. FWIW, Wes N7WS From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Aug 23 16:38:57 2017 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:38:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo In-Reply-To: <9A6520EB-1167-4561-A6C6-2649F043EFB7@mac.com> References: <9A6520EB-1167-4561-A6C6-2649F043EFB7@mac.com> Message-ID: <1503520737767-7633706.post@n2.nabble.com> If you are saying you switched bands with the amp still transmitting, that would probably cause what you are seeing. There is a short delay after switching bands to switch in the new tuner settings. You should give the amp time to complete the changes before transmitting. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Surprising-Behavior-on-KX3-KXPA100-Combo-tp7633704p7633706.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From phystad at mac.com Wed Aug 23 17:05:40 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:05:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo In-Reply-To: <1503520737767-7633706.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <9A6520EB-1167-4561-A6C6-2649F043EFB7@mac.com> <1503520737767-7633706.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9FC50639-6A1A-433C-B3F0-AA37D5F5E900@mac.com> No, I certainly did not switch bands while transmitting. I don't think I said that. PEH's iPhone > On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > If you are saying you switched bands with the amp still transmitting, that > would probably cause what you are seeing. There is a short delay after > switching bands to switch in the new tuner settings. You should give the amp > time to complete the changes before transmitting. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Surprising-Behavior-on-KX3-KXPA100-Combo-tp7633704p7633706.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Wed Aug 23 18:03:45 2017 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:03:45 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Ecoflex cable In-Reply-To: <7beb9a07-fd9a-1955-5596-5c6102d6cf0b@triconet.org> References: <7beb9a07-fd9a-1955-5596-5c6102d6cf0b@triconet.org> Message-ID: I installed Ecoflex 10 cable from the shack to the top of my tower in 2008. A year or two ago it was mentioned and illustrated in the RSGB "RadCom" magazine the potential problem of screen foil break up and possible centre conductor migration through the foam dielectric in sections of this type of cable at places of repeated flexing. My two runs of Ecoflex 10 terminate at the top of the tower with two extension runs providing the a rotator loop and continuing onwards to the HF and 6m beams on an eight foot mast above the top bearing. One run was Ecoflex 10 the other was RG213 type. Recently I removed both extension cables for destructive inspection in the area of the rotator loop. The copper foil screen of the Ecoflex 10 was seriously cracked, in some places almost to the point of complete severance. The braid element of the screen which is not particularly dense was OK. The RG213 type cable showed no sign of damage whatsoever. Naturally a rotator loop over a period of years takes a hammering and it seems this sort of foam, braid, foil cable is not first choice for the job. Two replacement rotator loop runs of RG213 type cable have now been installed from the top of the tower to the antennas. The extra loss of these short lengths at HF and 6m are in my case insignificant given that the full run length shack to antenna is approximately 160 feet. My only experience is with Ecoflex 10, cable from other manufacturers may behave differently. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 23/08/2017 17:22, Wes Stewart wrote: > About three years ago I purchased some Ecoflex-10 cable assemblies from > Vibroplex. These had what seemed to be very nicely made PL-259 type > connectors preinstalled. (Getting lazy in my old age) It appears that > Vibroplex no longer sells these but other vendors do. > > This note is to report on the performance in the field so far. In > addition to the ones used as patch cords in the station, I installed one > 60 foot length on my Rohn fold-over tower from the base to the Yagi on > top. The upper end was used as a rotor loop, so it saw that flexing. > > Prior to installing this cable I performed characterization measurements > using my DG8SAQ vector network analyzer > (http://sdr-kits.net/VNWA3_Description.html) running the supplied > software and post processing the s11 data with Zplots > (http://ac6la.com/zplots1.html). The VNWA was calibrated with SMA > standards but of course, measured with SMA-to-UHF adapters. No attempt > was made at that time to pick nits and subtract out adapter errors as > they are pretty meaningless in this application. Cited with ridiculous > precision, the loss at 30 MHz was 0.438 dB. > > A few days ago I had need to fold over the tower for another purpose and > decided to remeasure this cable and see how it's fared after nearly > three years exposure in the Arizona desert. The present attenuation was > 0.483 dB, which is remarkably close, especially considering the > uncertainties involved. I am quite pleased and wouldn't hesitate to use > this wherever flexing is an issue. I will continue to use Heliax where > it isn't. > > FWIW, > > Wes N7WS From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:34:54 2017 From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:34:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Question about K3s and Drake L7B combo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96daa30f-483f-6503-ed99-42895a8681ba@yahoo.com> I am about to pair up a Drake L7B with my K3s and just wanted to tap the groups wisdom on any issues. If you are running this combination would appreciate any advice from your experience. Thanks Dave K5MWR From netbsd21 at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 19:01:49 2017 From: netbsd21 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:01:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Is there a website or software repository yet? Scott AD5HS On 8/23/2017 12:24 PM, P.J.Hicks wrote: > I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. > > So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. > > PJH, N7PXY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to netbsd21 at gmail.com > From phystad at mac.com Wed Aug 23 19:01:56 2017 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:01:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo In-Reply-To: <9A6520EB-1167-4561-A6C6-2649F043EFB7@mac.com> References: <9A6520EB-1167-4561-A6C6-2649F043EFB7@mac.com> Message-ID: <674BDEFD-42D3-47CB-A039-9BE4F2CC450F@mac.com> My own answer to my first weird thing in message below: Apparently, if you press/HOLD the Keyer/Mic/PWR button to display the power level, it takes another key press to revert from that action. It was not merely the band switch that would not function but any key press had the same result ? which was, that function key did not operate other than to revert the PWR display back to whatever was displayed prior to the press/HOLD on the ../PWR button. I assume that this might be normal behavior, possibly thinking that most people would depress the same ../PWR button again to move out of that state. ALSO, clarification on the second weird thing: To reproduce this behavior of the power output shown one green light on the power LED display of the KXPA100, do the following: Seems to work this way because I have two antennas, one for 80 thru 30 and the other for 20 thru 10. So, ?> Switch antennas (either Ant 1 to 2 or Ant 2 to 1) ?> Tune using the ATU Tune button. ?> key down once (I send a dash using my paddle) ?> result is only one green LED light lit up on Power LED Display of KXPA100. ?> key down again, same thing, without needing any other button pushes and normal display of 100 watts is shown on KXPA100 power LED lights. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > I have configured my KX3 with my KXPA100 (previously used only with KX2) following all instructions (I think) in the KXPA100 user manual. > > First comment ? everything works, antenna tuner on KXPA100 works, power out 100 watts on all bands, and so on. > > Weird stuff: > > 1. I Held Keyer/Mic/PWR button for power display, showing 100 watts. Then, I immediately pushed Band+ to switch up to next band. No band switching too place but the display changed from 100 watts on KX3 back to the clock. Pressing Band+ once more results in band switching as expected. This happens every time in the sequence I describe and I am wondering if (a) this is normal, (b) something is not yet configured correctly. > > > 2. My reason for Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to display power is because after switching bands and after tuning the antenna for a low SWR (about 1.1:1) the power output was only about 10 watts. I did a Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to see the power output and it was indeed 100 watts and not 10. I then keyed down and then the output was 100 watts. This does not seem normal to me. > > None of these two behaviors occurred on my KX2. > > Any ideas or comments? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Aug 23 19:06:44 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: References: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Discussion appears to be here. https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 23, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Scott wrote: > > Is there a website or software repository yet? > > Scott > AD5HS > > On 8/23/2017 12:24 PM, P.J.Hicks wrote: >> I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. >> So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. >> PJH, N7PXY >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to netbsd21 at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Aug 23 19:58:58 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: References: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Doesn't appear to say very much.? Other than the BW difference [RF/IF BW might be more than ultimate AF BW], and provided that the demodulated audio is free of IMD and other obnoxious distortion, I don't see why NR at AF wouldn't be essentially the same as at IF.? Obvious differences in the mechanisms to do it, and I'm sure there are dozens of nits that will be picked over this, but if you can find the signal in the noise [or the noise obscuring the signal] at the IF frequency, I can't see any reason why you can't do it at AF just as well. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/23/2017 4:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Discussion appears to be here. > > https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From kkinderen at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 20:20:01 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:20:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: References: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Maybe the additional noise in the stages between where the filter would be in IF and where it is in AF? I know I'm thinking of multi-stage RF/IF/AF superhets and that might be what is tripping me up when it comes to a single conversion SDR capability. Maybe there is no difference? Or maybe components that make up a filter in an IF stage are more effective (higher Q) than in an audio stage? 73, Kev K4VD On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Doesn't appear to say very much. Other than the BW difference [RF/IF BW > might be more than ultimate AF BW], and provided that the demodulated audio > is free of IMD and other obnoxious distortion, I don't see why NR at AF > wouldn't be essentially the same as at IF. Obvious differences in the > mechanisms to do it, and I'm sure there are dozens of nits that will be > picked over this, but if you can find the signal in the noise [or the noise > obscuring the signal] at the IF frequency, I can't see any reason why you > can't do it at AF just as well. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 8/23/2017 4:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > >> Discussion appears to be here. >> >> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t= >> directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 < >> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t >> =directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363> >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com > From kh2tj at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 23 20:44:15 2017 From: kh2tj at sbcglobal.net (Todd) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:44:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> Message-ID: <599E215F.4040204@sbcglobal.net> CHP has totally upgraded their system. They use 39,42,44, and 45MHZ inputs/outputs. Most dispatch comm centers, but not up here in extreme NorCal, repeat the mobiles on the main base dispatch channel. Makes it easier to listen to both sides. They run their extenders in the 700MHZ range using P25 digital. They were supposed to upgrade the whole system to a statewide 700MHZ P25 digital system covering the whole state. But, no money $$$. Imagine that! No more extenders on the old 154.905 freq (was a poor man's radar radar detector!) ;-) When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... Todd KH2TJ Phil Kane wrote: > On 8/22/2017 2:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > >> The California Highway Patrol holds on to their 47 MHz frequencies for the same reason. >> > > 42 MHz. Augmented by a whole system of VHF and UHF portables working > through in-car repeaters into and out of the 42 MHz network. > > From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Aug 23 21:02:45 2017 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:02:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: References: <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1f4e7740-1095-684b-874c-f3fdc1d30cb6@sdellington.us> Impulse noise gets stretched out in time when passed through a narrow filter, so it must be removed ahead of the narrow filter. This is true whether in hardware or software. Since this is a very common type of man-made noise, effectively removing or reducing it would be very useful. I can't see how this could possibly be done in the audio range. It could, perhaps, at baseband in a direct sampling receiver. In any case, a future Elecraft radio which could effectively reduce impulse noise when a band is full of strong signals would be very attractive, especially to urban hams. One scheme used long ago was to use a second receiver, tuned a bit out of the band to a relatively clear segment, to control a noise blanker in the main receiver. Could Elecraft possibly add a mode to use the sub-receiver in this manner? Or, because the noise-sensing receiver doesn't have to have great selectivity, perhaps a dedicated receiver could be offered. 73, Scott K9MA On 8/23/2017 19:20, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > Maybe the additional noise in the stages between where the filter would be > in IF and where it is in AF? I know I'm thinking of multi-stage RF/IF/AF > superhets and that might be what is tripping me up when it comes to a > single conversion SDR capability. Maybe there is no difference? Or maybe > components that make up a filter in an IF stage are more effective (higher > Q) than in an audio stage? > > 73, > Kev K4VD > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >> Doesn't appear to say very much. Other than the BW difference [RF/IF BW >> might be more than ultimate AF BW], and provided that the demodulated audio >> is free of IMD and other obnoxious distortion, I don't see why NR at AF >> wouldn't be essentially the same as at IF. Obvious differences in the >> mechanisms to do it, and I'm sure there are dozens of nits that will be >> picked over this, but if you can find the signal in the noise [or the noise >> obscuring the signal] at the IF frequency, I can't see any reason why you >> can't do it at AF just as well. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >> On 8/23/2017 4:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> >>> Discussion appears to be here. >>> >>> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t= >>> directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 < >>> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t >>> =directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363> >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Aug 23 21:46:48 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:46:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: <599E215F.4040204@sbcglobal.net> References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> <599E215F.4040204@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway > Patrol,? I know that something is happening on six... In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 21:55:46 2017 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:55:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Years ago the local law enforcement used 34.980 (simplex) and of course was often plagued by "skip" from other areas. There was no CTCSS then and their solution was to change the 10 code to 9 code. 10-8 became 9-8, etc. 73 K0PP On Aug 23, 2017 19:47, "Phil Kane" wrote: On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway > Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Aug 23 22:01:20 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:01:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: <599E215F.4040204@sbcglobal.net> References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> <599E215F.4040204@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <45642625-2519-b931-7ac6-8ab64e8f66b7@kanafi.org> On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > CHP has totally upgraded their system.? They use 39,42,44, and 45MHZ > inputs/outputs. For decades, FCC Rules precluded Low-VHF in-band repeaters so the bases are licensed as FB ("Fixed Base") rather than FB2 ("Mobile Relay"). A difference without a distinction. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From pincon at erols.com Wed Aug 23 23:06:24 2017 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans In-Reply-To: References: <201708221556.v7MFurPW017355@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> <004201d31b63$3a42b980$aec82c80$@erols.com> <28FF337F-FC14-4BAC-85F0-3686A1224C30@blomand.net> <599E215F.4040204@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <005d01d31c85$fe15dc70$fa419550$@erols.com> Is Russian TV still on 48 or so MHz.? They've probably also gone digital. I remember listening for that TV picture buzz as an indicator that the MUF was creeping up. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Kane Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:47 PM To: Todd ; k2asp at arrl.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway > Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From sidfrissell at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 23:44:56 2017 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:44:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Power source for KAT500 Message-ID: Just got my new KAT/KPA500 on the August Special. I have both units all wired, tested and ready to go except for the 12 to 15 VDC power connection for the KAT500. What are you experienced KAT/KPA owners using for this power source? What amperage is required? Advice would be appreciated, please. Sid. NZ7M Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad From jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com Thu Aug 24 00:00:09 2017 From: jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com (JEAN-FRANCOIS) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with an external receiver Message-ID: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> Hi, Is there anybody ever use an external receiver with a K3S as a second receiver? to act as a second receiver that can share the same antenna the K3S use or similar setup??? The reason here is I still a have my Kenwood 590SG that I could enable TX Inhibit for safety, and use it as a second receiver only. It?s an excellent backup radio. I wondering if I could enhance my setup if possible by using spare gears. Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS __________________________________________ Jeff | VA2SS Jean-Fran?ois M?nard jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com www.VA2SS.com Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. Message sent from my portable device. From k6mr at outlook.com Thu Aug 24 00:09:35 2017 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:09:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power source for KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Assuming it is in the vicinity of the K3, use the station power supply. If it?s somewhere else, just about any wall wart will work. Spec is 200 mA typ., 1.0A max. Ken K6MR From: Sid Frissell Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 20:46 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Power source for KAT500 Just got my new KAT/KPA500 on the August Special. I have both units all wired, tested and ready to go except for the 12 to 15 VDC power connection for the KAT500. What are you experienced KAT/KPA owners using for this power source? What amperage is required? Advice would be appreciated, please. Sid. NZ7M Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 00:10:54 2017 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:10:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Power source for KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As stated in the manual ... which it's assumed you have ... 12VDC @ 1 A max, 200 Ma typical. 73 K0PP On Aug 23, 2017 21:46, "Sid Frissell" wrote: > Just got my new KAT/KPA500 on the August Special. I have both units all > wired, tested and ready to go except for the 12 to 15 VDC power connection > for the KAT500. What are you experienced KAT/KPA owners using for this > power source? What amperage is required? Advice would be appreciated, > please. > > Sid. NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 24 00:25:58 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:25:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with an external receiver In-Reply-To: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> References: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> Message-ID: <951ae0af-9443-04bb-ed5a-19064a8f8539@embarqmail.com> Jeff, The only way to do that properly is to use a 3dB splitter external to the K3S and the 590SG. Of course, that is only for receive. On transmit, the 3dB splitter would have to be removed and the input to the 2nd receiver protected. The K3S does that internally with the addition of the SubRX, and it is done automatically if the SubRX is sharing the antenna with the main RX. You would have to provide the same switching externally to use an external receiver. The other way (more simplistic) is to connect the other receiver to the K3S RX ANT OUT jack. That allows the external receiver to listen on the same band or a lower band than the K3S is tuned to. Signals on a higher band than the K3S is tuned to will be attenuated because the K3S Low Pass Filters are ahead of the other receiver. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/24/2017 12:00 AM, JEAN-FRANCOIS wrote: > Hi, > > Is there anybody ever use an external receiver with a K3S as a second receiver? to act as a second receiver that can share the same antenna the K3S use or similar setup??? > > The reason here is I still a have my Kenwood 590SG that I could enable TX Inhibit for safety, and use it as a second receiver only. It?s an excellent backup radio. I wondering if I could enhance my setup if possible by using spare gears. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 24 00:31:04 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power source for KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sid, The KPA500 requires up to 1 amp when tuning. If you have nothing else connected to the AUX 12V on the K3/K3S, then that can power the KAT500. If the AUX 12V is being used by some other device (P3 for instance), then you can wire the KAT500 to the same power supply that is powering the K3/K3S. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/23/2017 11:44 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: > Just got my new KAT/KPA500 on the August Special. I have both units all wired, tested and ready to go except for the 12 to 15 VDC power connection for the KAT500. What are you experienced KAT/KPA owners using for this power source? What amperage is required? Advice would be appreciated, please. From pa3a at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 24 03:23:05 2017 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:23:05 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Power source for KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23f247b7-245f-42ba-e59e-790c53648633@xs4all.nl> Sid, Using the normal 13.8V powersupply for that, which is also used for my K3. The 12V connection on the backside of the K3 I use for a panadapter. 73 Arie PA3A Op 24-8-2017 om 5:44 schreef Sid Frissell: > Just got my new KAT/KPA500 on the August Special. I have both units all wired, tested and ready to go except for the 12 to 15 VDC power connection for the KAT500. What are you experienced KAT/KPA owners using for this power source? What amperage is required? Advice would be appreciated, please. > > Sid. NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pa3a at xs4all.nl > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Aug 24 06:07:40 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 03:07:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR Message-ID: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> K3S100/KAT100 rig with P3, P3SVGA and P3TXMON Directional Coupler 200W. When TX at 100W, on 80m for example, the PEP on the P3 shows 2.4W PEP on the 120W scale and SWR is full scale at 99.0. I have put a Bird43 at my antenna base and verified 64W just before the SG-235 remote ATU on my 43ft Vertical (it's far away on RG213). SWR on KAT100 Bypass is 1.2 by remote ATU and down to 1.0 with KAT100 enabled. Must be I have things set up wrong on the TXMON? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From winebike at hotmail.com Thu Aug 24 07:27:53 2017 From: winebike at hotmail.com (Mike Ware) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 11:27:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, thanks! > On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:45 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. BNC Connector (Aaron K5ATG) > 2. Re: BL2 Enclosure (rich hurd WC3T) > 3. Re: BNC Connector on KXe (Brendon Whateley) > 4. Noise Reduction (P.J.Hicks) > 5. WTB KAT-100 (N4KS) > 6. Re: BNC Connector on KX3 (Phil Kane) > 7. Re: [KX3] Band Plans (Edward R Cole) > 8. Re: Noise Reduction (Kevin der Kinderen) > 9. Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo (Phil Hystad) > 10. Ecoflex cable (Wes Stewart) > 11. Re: Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo (Bob N3MNT) > 12. Re: Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo (Phil Hystad) > 13. Re: Ecoflex cable (Mike Harris) > 14. Question about K3s and Drake L7B combo (K5MWR) > 15. Re: Noise Reduction (Scott) > 16. Re: Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo (Phil Hystad) > 17. Re: Noise Reduction (Walter Underwood) > 18. Re: Noise Reduction (Fred Jensen) > 19. Re: Noise Reduction (Kevin der Kinderen) > 20. Re: [KX3] Band Plans (Todd) > 21. Re: Noise Reduction (K9MA) > 22. Re: [KX3] Band Plans (Phil Kane) > 23. OT: [KX3] Band Plans (Ken G Kopp) > 24. Re: [KX3] Band Plans (Phil Kane) > 25. Re: [KX3] Band Plans (Charlie T, K3ICH) > 26. Power source for KAT500 (Sid Frissell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:58:58 -0500 > From: Aaron K5ATG > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] BNC Connector > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thank you everybody, the issue has been corrected. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:57:29 -0400 > From: rich hurd WC3T > To: Dave W8FGU > Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BL2 Enclosure > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thanks for this; I was thinking of getting the BL2 but held off until I > could cobble together an enclosure. Since all that cobbling is now done, > I think this might be a good next purchase. :D > > > > --- > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > Rich Hurd / WC3T > DMR ID: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: > *FN20is* > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Dave W8FGU wrote: > >> GM Jim, >> >> This is Dave W8FGU and yes, I'm still producing enclosures for Elecraft's >> mini module line. Much to my amazement, I'm seeing an increase in business >> in the last couple of years despite thinking that I saturated the market a >> number of years ago. This is a great tribute to Elecraft and the large >> number of hams who enjoy building kits and home brewing. >> >> Look at www.w8fgu.com and you can browse the various enclosures I make >> including the BL2. >> >> Thanks all for the shameless plug ;-) >> >> 73, >> Dave W8FGU >> >> >> >> On August 23, 2017 00:14:03 James Bennett wrote: >> >> Just completed the assembly of the Elecraft BL2 balun. Nice unit, but I'm >>> a tad disappointed that there is no enclosure for it, optional or included. >>> Since there are exposed electronic connections on it, and because I'll be >>> connecting it to 450-ohm ladder line that handles line barbed wire, I hate >>> just having the BL2 flopping around. >>> >>> A buddy of mine mentioned that he thought at one time there was someone >>> on this reflector who was offering an enclosure for the BL2. Does anyone >>> here have information on such an item? Or, has anyone here with a 3D >>> printer attempted building one? >>> >>> Thx, >>> >>> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >>> Folsom, CA >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to dave at w8fgu.com >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:21:35 -0700 > From: Brendon Whateley > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com > Cc: Aaron K5ATG , Elecraft Reflector Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KXe > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > If it is a recurring problem, why not put a drop of Loctite (probably 242 > which is non-permanent) on the thread. That should solve the problem. > > - Brendon > KK6AYI > > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Aaron, >> >> The most likely cause is that the nut on the BNC jack has worked loose. It >> should be easy to tighten, although you will likely have to remove the 2 >> meter option (if you have it) and the KXAT3. >> See page 25 of the KX3 Assembly Manual. >> Use a wrench to tighten the nut, and while tightening the nut, put a BNC >> connector on the outside of the jack and hold it with pliers so you can >> torque the nut tight without damaging the BNC jack. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 8/22/2017 9:54 AM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: >> >>> The BNC Connector on my KX3 has become loose, is there a way to repair it? >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:24:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: "P.J.Hicks" > To: ELECRAFT > Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > Message-ID: > <386724966.36264645.1503509041070.JavaMail.zimbra at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. > > So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. > > PJH, N7PXY > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:38:57 -0700 (MST) > From: N4KS > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT-100 > Message-ID: <1503509937643-7633700.post at n2.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > WTB KAT-100 external antenna tuner for K2/100. I'm good on QRZ.com. > > > > > ----- > Ken N4KS > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-KAT-100-tp7633700.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:45:16 -0700 > From: Phil Kane > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNC Connector on KX3 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 8/23/2017 5:56 AM, geoffrey allsup wrote: > >> I noticed this issue when I first assembled my KX3. The simple cure >> for me after tightening the BNC a couple of times early on was to use >> a right-angle BNC adapter all the time. No more problems, and the >> coax conveniently pays off to the rear of the rig :-) > > I use that trick on all the BNC fittings on the preamps, filters, and > multicouplers in my receiving signal distribution system mounted on a > vertical backboard. Makes connection much easier. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > >> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:03:58 -0800 > From: Edward R Cole > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > Message-ID: <201708231804.v7NI3wgZ010329 at mail46c28.carrierzone.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > To all who cite how their state police use low-band VHF (30-50 MHz). > > Yes, I've heard that touted for years (decades), yet the Alaska > Troopers (state police) use high-band VHF (150-175 MHz). Their > car-to-car simplex is 155.250 MHz. Only state utility that uses > low-band (47-MHz) is the AK DOT. I personally know that they > installed a base station in the home of a worker (his wife was > KL7UP-sk) perched on a hill overlooking Turnagain arm to provide a > link from Anchorage (about 25-miles) to a hwy maint camp 16-miles > further up a mountain valley. They now have a hwy repeater near the > maint camp others along the Seward Hwy which probably provides hwy > coverage. The Seward Hwy+Sterling Hwy "are" the"I-5" of Alaska (not > to mean its a freeway - its mostly 2-lane 55mph hwy - but see's > highest traffic use in AK). > > So all I can say about 6m prop from Kenai to Anchorage: low rolling > hills and over water is that higher frequencies (222) propagate > better (1991- to date experience). > > Now I return the reflector to normal "Elecraft oriented" use. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:14:20 -0400 > From: Kevin der Kinderen > To: "P.J.Hicks" > Cc: ELECRAFT > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I'd love to hear some A/B audio samples of nitPic if they become available. > It operates at AF? Operates well in congested bands? > > I've always been told that by the time the signal is demodulated to AF the > damage is done. Why I believe this I have no clue. So when I hear something > about noise reduction or filtering on AF it always makes me think of > howling CW and scratchy voice. The best filter I used at audio was the old > Autek QF-1A. Boy could I get that howling! I think I need to catch up and > learn new old ham tales. > > 73, > Kev K4VD > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 1:24 PM, P.J.Hicks wrote: > >> I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK >> that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears >> that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will >> hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the >> audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it >> can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in >> 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal >> or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds >> simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice >> versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out >> CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my >> PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. >> >> So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. >> >> PJH, N7PXY >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:32:41 -0700 > From: Phil Hystad > To: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo > Message-ID: <9A6520EB-1167-4561-A6C6-2649F043EFB7 at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I have configured my KX3 with my KXPA100 (previously used only with KX2) following all instructions (I think) in the KXPA100 user manual. > > First comment ? everything works, antenna tuner on KXPA100 works, power out 100 watts on all bands, and so on. > > Weird stuff: > > 1. I Held Keyer/Mic/PWR button for power display, showing 100 watts. Then, I immediately pushed Band+ to switch up to next band. No band switching too place but the display changed from 100 watts on KX3 back to the clock. Pressing Band+ once more results in band switching as expected. This happens every time in the sequence I describe and I am wondering if (a) this is normal, (b) something is not yet configured correctly. > > > 2. My reason for Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to display power is because after switching bands and after tuning the antenna for a low SWR (about 1.1:1) the power output was only about 10 watts. I did a Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to see the power output and it was indeed 100 watts and not 10. I then keyed down and then the output was 100 watts. This does not seem normal to me. > > None of these two behaviors occurred on my KX2. > > Any ideas or comments? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:22:55 -0700 > From: Wes Stewart > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: Tower Talk > Subject: [Elecraft] Ecoflex cable > Message-ID: <7beb9a07-fd9a-1955-5596-5c6102d6cf0b at triconet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > About three years ago I purchased some Ecoflex-10 cable assemblies from > Vibroplex. These had what seemed to be very nicely made PL-259 type connectors > preinstalled. (Getting lazy in my old age) It appears that Vibroplex no longer > sells these but other vendors do. > > This note is to report on the performance in the field so far. In addition to > the ones used as patch cords in the station, I installed one 60 foot length on > my Rohn fold-over tower from the base to the Yagi on top. The upper end was > used as a rotor loop, so it saw that flexing. > > Prior to installing this cable I performed characterization measurements using > my DG8SAQ vector network analyzer (http://sdr-kits.net/VNWA3_Description.html) > running the supplied software and post processing the s11 data with Zplots > (http://ac6la.com/zplots1.html). The VNWA was calibrated with SMA standards but > of course, measured with SMA-to-UHF adapters. No attempt was made at that time > to pick nits and subtract out adapter errors as they are pretty meaningless in > this application. Cited with ridiculous precision, the loss at 30 MHz was 0.438 dB. > > A few days ago I had need to fold over the tower for another purpose and decided > to remeasure this cable and see how it's fared after nearly three years exposure > in the Arizona desert. The present attenuation was 0.483 dB, which is > remarkably close, especially considering the uncertainties involved. I am quite > pleased and wouldn't hesitate to use this wherever flexing is an issue. I will > continue to use Heliax where it isn't. > > FWIW, > > Wes N7WS > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:38:57 -0700 (MST) > From: Bob N3MNT > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo > Message-ID: <1503520737767-7633706.post at n2.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > If you are saying you switched bands with the amp still transmitting, that > would probably cause what you are seeing. There is a short delay after > switching bands to switch in the new tuner settings. You should give the amp > time to complete the changes before transmitting. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Surprising-Behavior-on-KX3-KXPA100-Combo-tp7633704p7633706.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:05:40 -0700 > From: Phil Hystad > To: Bob N3MNT > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo > Message-ID: <9FC50639-6A1A-433C-B3F0-AA37D5F5E900 at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > No, I certainly did not switch bands while transmitting. I don't think I said that. > > PEH's iPhone > >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: >> >> If you are saying you switched bands with the amp still transmitting, that >> would probably cause what you are seeing. There is a short delay after >> switching bands to switch in the new tuner settings. You should give the amp >> time to complete the changes before transmitting. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Surprising-Behavior-on-KX3-KXPA100-Combo-tp7633704p7633706.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:03:45 -0300 > From: Mike Harris > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ecoflex cable > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I installed Ecoflex 10 cable from the shack to the top of my tower in > 2008. A year or two ago it was mentioned and illustrated in the RSGB > "RadCom" magazine the potential problem of screen foil break up and > possible centre conductor migration through the foam dielectric in > sections of this type of cable at places of repeated flexing. > > My two runs of Ecoflex 10 terminate at the top of the tower with two > extension runs providing the a rotator loop and continuing onwards to > the HF and 6m beams on an eight foot mast above the top bearing. One run > was Ecoflex 10 the other was RG213 type. > > Recently I removed both extension cables for destructive inspection in > the area of the rotator loop. > > The copper foil screen of the Ecoflex 10 was seriously cracked, in some > places almost to the point of complete severance. The braid element of > the screen which is not particularly dense was OK. > > The RG213 type cable showed no sign of damage whatsoever. > > Naturally a rotator loop over a period of years takes a hammering and it > seems this sort of foam, braid, foil cable is not first choice for the job. > > Two replacement rotator loop runs of RG213 type cable have now been > installed from the top of the tower to the antennas. The extra loss of > these short lengths at HF and 6m are in my case insignificant given that > the full run length shack to antenna is approximately 160 feet. > > My only experience is with Ecoflex 10, cable from other manufacturers > may behave differently. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 23/08/2017 17:22, Wes Stewart wrote: >> About three years ago I purchased some Ecoflex-10 cable assemblies from >> Vibroplex. These had what seemed to be very nicely made PL-259 type >> connectors preinstalled. (Getting lazy in my old age) It appears that >> Vibroplex no longer sells these but other vendors do. >> >> This note is to report on the performance in the field so far. In >> addition to the ones used as patch cords in the station, I installed one >> 60 foot length on my Rohn fold-over tower from the base to the Yagi on >> top. The upper end was used as a rotor loop, so it saw that flexing. >> >> Prior to installing this cable I performed characterization measurements >> using my DG8SAQ vector network analyzer >> (http://sdr-kits.net/VNWA3_Description.html) running the supplied >> software and post processing the s11 data with Zplots >> (http://ac6la.com/zplots1.html). The VNWA was calibrated with SMA >> standards but of course, measured with SMA-to-UHF adapters. No attempt >> was made at that time to pick nits and subtract out adapter errors as >> they are pretty meaningless in this application. Cited with ridiculous >> precision, the loss at 30 MHz was 0.438 dB. >> >> A few days ago I had need to fold over the tower for another purpose and >> decided to remeasure this cable and see how it's fared after nearly >> three years exposure in the Arizona desert. The present attenuation was >> 0.483 dB, which is remarkably close, especially considering the >> uncertainties involved. I am quite pleased and wouldn't hesitate to use >> this wherever flexing is an issue. I will continue to use Heliax where >> it isn't. >> >> FWIW, >> >> Wes N7WS > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:34:54 -0500 > From: K5MWR > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Question about K3s and Drake L7B combo > Message-ID: <96daa30f-483f-6503-ed99-42895a8681ba at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I am about to pair up a Drake L7B with my K3s and just wanted to tap the > groups wisdom on any issues. > > If you are running this combination would appreciate any advice from > your experience. > > Thanks > Dave K5MWR > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:01:49 -0500 > From: Scott > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Is there a website or software repository yet? > > Scott > AD5HS > > On 8/23/2017 12:24 PM, P.J.Hicks wrote: >> I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. >> >> So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. >> >> PJH, N7PXY >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to netbsd21 at gmail.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:01:56 -0700 > From: Phil Hystad > To: Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Surprising Behavior on KX3 KXPA100 Combo > Message-ID: <674BDEFD-42D3-47CB-A039-9BE4F2CC450F at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > My own answer to my first weird thing in message below: > > Apparently, if you press/HOLD the Keyer/Mic/PWR button to display the power level, it takes another key press to revert from that action. It was not merely the band switch that would not function but any key press had the same result ? which was, that function key did not operate other than to revert the PWR display back to whatever was displayed prior to the press/HOLD on the ../PWR button. > > I assume that this might be normal behavior, possibly thinking that most people would depress the same ../PWR button again to move out of that state. > > ALSO, clarification on the second weird thing: > > To reproduce this behavior of the power output shown one green light on the power LED display of the KXPA100, do the following: > > Seems to work this way because I have two antennas, one for 80 thru 30 and the other for 20 thru 10. So, > > ?> Switch antennas (either Ant 1 to 2 or Ant 2 to 1) > ?> Tune using the ATU Tune button. > ?> key down once (I send a dash using my paddle) > ?> result is only one green LED light lit up on Power LED Display of KXPA100. > ?> key down again, same thing, without needing any other button pushes and normal > display of 100 watts is shown on KXPA100 power LED lights. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> >> I have configured my KX3 with my KXPA100 (previously used only with KX2) following all instructions (I think) in the KXPA100 user manual. >> >> First comment ? everything works, antenna tuner on KXPA100 works, power out 100 watts on all bands, and so on. >> >> Weird stuff: >> >> 1. I Held Keyer/Mic/PWR button for power display, showing 100 watts. Then, I immediately pushed Band+ to switch up to next band. No band switching too place but the display changed from 100 watts on KX3 back to the clock. Pressing Band+ once more results in band switching as expected. This happens every time in the sequence I describe and I am wondering if (a) this is normal, (b) something is not yet configured correctly. >> >> >> 2. My reason for Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to display power is because after switching bands and after tuning the antenna for a low SWR (about 1.1:1) the power output was only about 10 watts. I did a Hold on Keyer/Mic/PWR to see the power output and it was indeed 100 watts and not 10. I then keyed down and then the output was 100 watts. This does not seem normal to me. >> >> None of these two behaviors occurred on my KX2. >> >> Any ideas or comments? >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:06:44 -0700 > From: Walter Underwood > To: Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Discussion appears to be here. > > https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Scott wrote: >> >> Is there a website or software repository yet? >> >> Scott >> AD5HS >> >> On 8/23/2017 12:24 PM, P.J.Hicks wrote: >>> I have been involved with a project developed by Peter Rhodes of the UK that started as a way to improve the NR in his Pick a Star trx. It appears that the project is nearing the limits of what can be done and will hopefully go public soon. The project is called nitPic and operates on the audio output (phones) under Peter's software. It is truly amazing what it can do. Briefly it has two modes, SSB and CW. It processes the audio in 'bins' or slices. As each bin is processed the SW decides if it is signal or noise; if signal it is enhanced and if noise it is reduced. Sounds simple. It almost completely eliminates a CW signal if in SSB mode and vice versa eliminates a SSB signal if in CW mode. I have been able to bring out CW signals from the noise floor that do not show the slightest trace on my PowerSDR waterfall/spectrum display. >>> So good things are happening and improvements are in the works. >>> PJH, N7PXY >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to netbsd21 at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:58:58 -0700 > From: Fred Jensen > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Doesn't appear to say very much.? Other than the BW difference [RF/IF BW > might be more than ultimate AF BW], and provided that the demodulated > audio is free of IMD and other obnoxious distortion, I don't see why NR > at AF wouldn't be essentially the same as at IF.? Obvious differences in > the mechanisms to do it, and I'm sure there are dozens of nits that will > be picked over this, but if you can find the signal in the noise [or the > noise obscuring the signal] at the IF frequency, I can't see any reason > why you can't do it at AF just as well. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 8/23/2017 4:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> Discussion appears to be here. >> >> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:20:01 -0400 > From: Kevin der Kinderen > To: Fred Jensen > Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Maybe the additional noise in the stages between where the filter would be > in IF and where it is in AF? I know I'm thinking of multi-stage RF/IF/AF > superhets and that might be what is tripping me up when it comes to a > single conversion SDR capability. Maybe there is no difference? Or maybe > components that make up a filter in an IF stage are more effective (higher > Q) than in an audio stage? > > 73, > Kev K4VD > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >> Doesn't appear to say very much. Other than the BW difference [RF/IF BW >> might be more than ultimate AF BW], and provided that the demodulated audio >> is free of IMD and other obnoxious distortion, I don't see why NR at AF >> wouldn't be essentially the same as at IF. Obvious differences in the >> mechanisms to do it, and I'm sure there are dozens of nits that will be >> picked over this, but if you can find the signal in the noise [or the noise >> obscuring the signal] at the IF frequency, I can't see any reason why you >> can't do it at AF just as well. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >> On 8/23/2017 4:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> >>> Discussion appears to be here. >>> >>> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t= >>> directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 < >>> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t >>> =directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363> >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:44:15 -0700 > From: Todd > To: k2asp at arrl.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > Message-ID: <599E215F.4040204 at sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > CHP has totally upgraded their system. They use 39,42,44, and 45MHZ > inputs/outputs. > Most dispatch comm centers, but not up here in extreme NorCal, repeat > the mobiles on > the main base dispatch channel. Makes it easier to listen to both sides. > > They run their extenders in the 700MHZ range using P25 digital. They > were supposed > to upgrade the whole system to a statewide 700MHZ P25 digital system > covering > the whole state. But, no money $$$. Imagine that! > > No more extenders on the old 154.905 freq (was a poor man's radar radar > detector!) ;-) > > When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway > Patrol, I know > that something is happening on six... > > Todd KH2TJ > > > Phil Kane wrote: >> On 8/22/2017 2:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> >> >>> The California Highway Patrol holds on to their 47 MHz frequencies for the same reason. >>> >> >> 42 MHz. Augmented by a whole system of VHF and UHF portables working >> through in-car repeaters into and out of the 42 MHz network. >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:02:45 -0500 > From: K9MA > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction > Message-ID: <1f4e7740-1095-684b-874c-f3fdc1d30cb6 at sdellington.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Impulse noise gets stretched out in time when passed through a narrow > filter, so it must be removed ahead of the narrow filter. This is true > whether in hardware or software. Since this is a very common type of > man-made noise, effectively removing or reducing it would be very > useful. I can't see how this could possibly be done in the audio > range. It could, perhaps, at baseband in a direct sampling receiver. > > In any case, a future Elecraft radio which could effectively reduce > impulse noise when a band is full of strong signals would be very > attractive, especially to urban hams. One scheme used long ago was to > use a second receiver, tuned a bit out of the band to a relatively clear > segment, to control a noise blanker in the main receiver. Could > Elecraft possibly add a mode to use the sub-receiver in this manner? > Or, because the noise-sensing receiver doesn't have to have great > selectivity, perhaps a dedicated receiver could be offered. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > > On 8/23/2017 19:20, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: >> Maybe the additional noise in the stages between where the filter would be >> in IF and where it is in AF? I know I'm thinking of multi-stage RF/IF/AF >> superhets and that might be what is tripping me up when it comes to a >> single conversion SDR capability. Maybe there is no difference? Or maybe >> components that make up a filter in an IF stage are more effective (higher >> Q) than in an audio stage? >> >> 73, >> Kev K4VD >> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> >>> Doesn't appear to say very much. Other than the BW difference [RF/IF BW >>> might be more than ultimate AF BW], and provided that the demodulated audio >>> is free of IMD and other obnoxious distortion, I don't see why NR at AF >>> wouldn't be essentially the same as at IF. Obvious differences in the >>> mechanisms to do it, and I'm sure there are dozens of nits that will be >>> picked over this, but if you can find the signal in the noise [or the noise >>> obscuring the signal] at the IF frequency, I can't see any reason why you >>> can't do it at AF just as well. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >>> Sparks NV DM09dn >>> Washoe County >>> >>> On 8/23/2017 4:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> >>>> Discussion appears to be here. >>>> >>>> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t= >>>> directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363 < >>>> https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SNR_group/info?v=1&t >>>> =directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=363> >>>> >>>> wunder >>>> K6WRU >>>> Walter Underwood >>>> CM87wj >>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us > > > -- > Scott K9MA > > k9ma at sdellington.us > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:46:48 -0700 > From: Phil Kane > To: Todd , k2asp at arrl.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > >> When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway >> Patrol,? I know that something is happening on six... > > In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's > Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel > for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a > reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls > in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in > Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! > > At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course > Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both > the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > >> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:55:46 -0600 > From: Ken G Kopp > To: k2asp at arrl.net, Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: [KX3] Band Plans > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Years ago the local law enforcement used 34.980 (simplex) and of course was > often plagued by "skip" from other areas. There was no CTCSS then and > their solution was to change the 10 code to 9 code. 10-8 became 9-8, etc. > > 73 > > K0PP > > On Aug 23, 2017 19:47, "Phil Kane" wrote: > > On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > >> When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway >> Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... > > In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's > Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel > for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a > reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls > in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in > Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! > > At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course > Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both > the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > >> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:01:20 -0700 > From: Phil Kane > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > Message-ID: <45642625-2519-b931-7ac6-8ab64e8f66b7 at kanafi.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > >> CHP has totally upgraded their system.? They use 39,42,44, and 45MHZ >> inputs/outputs. > > For decades, FCC Rules precluded Low-VHF in-band repeaters so the bases > are licensed as FB ("Fixed Base") rather than FB2 ("Mobile Relay"). A > difference without a distinction. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > >> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:06:24 -0400 > From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" > To: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > Message-ID: <005d01d31c85$fe15dc70$fa419550$@erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Is Russian TV still on 48 or so MHz.? They've probably also gone digital. > I remember listening for that TV picture buzz as an indicator that the MUF was creeping up. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Kane > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:47 PM > To: Todd ; k2asp at arrl.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > > On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > >> When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway >> Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... > > In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! > > At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > >> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:44:56 -0600 > From: Sid Frissell > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Power source for KAT500 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Just got my new KAT/KPA500 on the August Special. I have both units all wired, tested and ready to go except for the 12 to 15 VDC power connection for the KAT500. What are you experienced KAT/KPA owners using for this power source? What amperage is required? Advice would be appreciated, please. > > Sid. NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 32 > ***************************************** From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 24 07:41:06 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:41:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Bret, The most common cause of a high SWR is 1) you do not have the right antenna selected or 2) you have a bad (or loose) coax jumper or a coax fault in the coax to your antenna. What happens if you do not connect the TX Monitor coupler in the coax chain? There is a remote possibility that you have a bad TX Monitor coupler, but that would be rare. Have you "trained" the tuner to the antenna before inserting the TX Monitor coupler? Note: the KAT100 is only for use with the K2 and it is an external enclosure. If you are attempting to use the KAT100 with the K3S, it will not work, you must use the internal KAT3 tuner. With the remote tuner at the base of the antenna, you should be setting the internal tuner to bypass. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/24/2017 6:07 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > K3S100/KAT100 rig with P3, P3SVGA and P3TXMON Directional Coupler 200W. > > When TX at 100W, on 80m for example, the PEP on the P3 shows 2.4W PEP on the > 120W scale and SWR is full scale at 99.0. > > I have put a Bird43 at my antenna base and verified 64W just before the > SG-235 remote ATU on my 43ft Vertical (it's far away on RG213). SWR on > KAT100 Bypass is 1.2 by remote ATU and down to 1.0 with KAT100 enabled. > > Must be I have things set up wrong on the TXMON? > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 24 07:56:47 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 06:56:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with an external receiver In-Reply-To: <951ae0af-9443-04bb-ed5a-19064a8f8539@embarqmail.com> References: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> <951ae0af-9443-04bb-ed5a-19064a8f8539@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I use the more simplistic approach as Don suggests.?? I have my SDR Play receiver connected via this manner.?? No external switching is required as that port is protected during transmit. It works great and allows me to monitor my own signal as well. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/23/2017 11:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jeff, > > The only way to do that properly is to use a 3dB splitter external to > the K3S and the 590SG. > Of course, that is only for receive.? On transmit, the 3dB splitter > would have to be removed and the input to the 2nd receiver protected. > > The K3S does that internally with the addition of the SubRX, and it is > done automatically if the SubRX is sharing the antenna with the main > RX. ?You would have to provide the same switching externally to use an > external receiver. > > The other way (more simplistic) is to connect the other receiver to > the K3S RX ANT OUT jack.? That allows the external receiver to listen > on the same band or a lower band than the K3S is tuned to. Signals on > a higher band than the K3S is tuned to will be attenuated because the > K3S Low Pass Filters are ahead of the other receiver. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/24/2017 12:00 AM, JEAN-FRANCOIS wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there anybody ever use an external receiver with a K3S as a second >> receiver? to act as a second receiver that can share the same antenna >> the K3S use or similar setup??? >> >> The reason here is I still a have my Kenwood 590SG that I could >> enable TX Inhibit for safety, and use it as a second receiver only. >> It?s an excellent backup radio. I wondering if I could enhance my >> setup if possible by using spare gears. > ______________________________________________________________ From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Aug 24 09:12:38 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:12:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with an external receiver In-Reply-To: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> References: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> Message-ID: I think you might check the manual antenna wiring chart, but I seem to remember you can use the Rec Ant Out jack to connect an external receiver. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 24, 2017, at 12:00 AM, JEAN-FRANCOIS wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there anybody ever use an external receiver with a K3S as a second receiver? to act as a second receiver that can share the same antenna the K3S use or similar setup??? > > The reason here is I still a have my Kenwood 590SG that I could enable TX Inhibit for safety, and use it as a second receiver only. It?s an excellent backup radio. I wondering if I could enhance my setup if possible by using spare gears. > > Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS > > __________________________________________ > Jeff | VA2SS > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > > jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com > www.VA2SS.com > > Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. > Message sent from my portable device. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From n1rj at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 24 09:18:27 2017 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:18:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with an external receiver In-Reply-To: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> References: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> Message-ID: <599ED223.8050300@roadrunner.com> The antenna is easy. Muting the external rx is the problem! 73, Roger On 8/24/2017 12:00 AM, JEAN-FRANCOIS wrote: > Hi, > > Is there anybody ever use an external receiver with a K3S as a second receiver? to act as a second receiver that can share the same antenna the K3S use or similar setup??? > > The reason here is I still a have my Kenwood 590SG that I could enable TX Inhibit for safety, and use it as a second receiver only. It?s an excellent backup radio. I wondering if I could enhance my setup if possible by using spare gears. > > Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS > > __________________________________________ > Jeff | VA2SS > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > > jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com > www.VA2SS.com > > Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. > Message sent from my portable device. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1rj at roadrunner.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Aug 24 09:19:03 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 06:19:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1503580743937-7633732.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don, My mistake - yes, the internal ATU option for K3S is installed. I'll try as you suggested and report back. Thanks! Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633732.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 24 09:26:49 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:26:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with an external receiver In-Reply-To: <951ae0af-9443-04bb-ed5a-19064a8f8539@embarqmail.com> References: <7634C77C-E86D-4540-9BB1-D3BA04B2AD70@va2ss.com> <951ae0af-9443-04bb-ed5a-19064a8f8539@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5f6db2aa-b7b5-d7d6-9228-41e2dcff32aa@subich.com> On 8/24/2017 12:25 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The other way (more simplistic) is to connect the other receiver to > the K3S RX ANT OUT jack. That allows the external receiver to listen > on the same band or a lower band than the K3S is tuned to. One should still use a splitter when connecting an external receiver to the K3/K3S R ANT OUT jack. The input of the splitter is connected to RX ANT OUT, one output to RX ANT IN, the other to the second RX and the RX ANT switch activated. Without a splitter it is possible that the various bandpass filters (K3 vs. external RS) and/or basic input impedance can cause one RX or the other to "hog" the input signal level ("suck out") making the other RX "deaf". A splitter will resolve this issue at the cost of 3 to 4 dB of signal level (3 dB is unavoidable even with a perfect split). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/24/2017 12:25 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jeff, > > The only way to do that properly is to use a 3dB splitter external to > the K3S and the 590SG. > Of course, that is only for receive.? On transmit, the 3dB splitter > would have to be removed and the input to the 2nd receiver protected. > > The K3S does that internally with the addition of the SubRX, and it is > done automatically if the SubRX is sharing the antenna with the main RX. > ?You would have to provide the same switching externally to use an > external receiver. > > The other way (more simplistic) is to connect the other receiver to the > K3S RX ANT OUT jack.? That allows the external receiver to listen on the > same band or a lower band than the K3S is tuned to.? Signals on a higher > band than the K3S is tuned to will be attenuated because the K3S Low > Pass Filters are ahead of the other receiver. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/24/2017 12:00 AM, JEAN-FRANCOIS wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there anybody ever use an external receiver with a K3S as a second >> receiver? to act as a second receiver that can share the same antenna >> the K3S use or similar setup??? >> >> The reason here is I still a have my Kenwood 590SG that I could enable >> TX Inhibit for safety, and use it as a second receiver only. It?s an >> excellent backup radio. I wondering if I could enhance my setup if >> possible by using spare gears. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From stuberkenneth at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 10:00:15 2017 From: stuberkenneth at yahoo.com (N4KS) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:00:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT-100 In-Reply-To: <1503509937643-7633700.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503509937643-7633700.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1503583215152-7633735.post@n2.nabble.com> I found one. 73, K3 N4KS ----- Ken N4KS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-KAT-100-tp7633700p7633735.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 24 15:31:47 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:31:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705e317d-4833-91ac-44db-975378eefee0@elecraft.com> Guys - Please do not copy the complete digest in your replies. That's way too much email overload for other readers. And yes, please -do- change the subject line from Digest.. to match what you are replying to. 73, Eric Moderator from time to time.. /elecraft.com/ From doug at k0dxv.com Thu Aug 24 18:29:32 2017 From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:29:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:Sunspots Message-ID: Sadly, I can only see 3 sunspots today. Down from 6 at the beginning of the week. Doug -- K0DXV From nicklelyak at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 18:51:10 2017 From: nicklelyak at gmail.com (Nick Lelyak) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:51:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: LP-PAN panadapter & E-MU 0202 sound card Message-ID: A friend of mine offering for sell LP-PAN SDR panadapter and E-MU 0202 USB sound card. It was used with K3. Price 140 USD plus shipping. Is somebody interested in it contact me off the list to: ve3ukr at yahoo dot com. Pictures available Thank you Nick, VE3FJ From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 24 18:56:56 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 15:56:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft order page back up Message-ID: <60382e43-156a-d5f7-4593-013065385b5d@elecraft.com> Our on-line shopping cart provider (Sparkpay by Capital One) was temporarily off line part of last night and this morning. We apologize for the problem! As of about mid-day today we were back up and running. Order away! 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From radioham at mchsi.com Thu Aug 24 19:29:10 2017 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:29:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces Message-ID: Does anyone have any experience or opinions on this line of interfaces? David K0LUM From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 24 20:20:06 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:20:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Focusrite is a well known mfr of pro and semi-pro audio gear with a good reputation, but their products are overpriced for what we need for ham radio. I would expect it to work well. Here's an applications note I wrote about 5 years ago and updated a year or two ago. The ASUS U5 is a very good performer and does everything we need for half the price. The Numark is still available and works great. I'm still using the Tascam US100 in my station, and am quite happy with it. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/24/2017 4:29 PM, David Christ wrote: > Does anyone have any experience or opinions on this line of interfaces? From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 24 20:24:08 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:24:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry -- forgot post the link. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf Buy the ASUS or the Numark here. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=asus%20u5&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search= https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/639303-REG/Numark_STEREO%7CIO_Stereo_iO_USB.html 73, Jim K9YC From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Aug 24 20:32:34 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Jim, I'd kind of like an interface with good performance that is smaller than the computer I'm using with it. Any suggestions? 73 -- Lynn On 8/24/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Sorry -- forgot post the link.? http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf > > Buy the ASUS or the Numark here. > > ?https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=asus%20u5&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search= > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/639303-REG/Numark_STEREO%7CIO_Stereo_iO_USB.html > > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kx3.1 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Aug 24 20:38:25 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:38:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <1B21D4DD-5AF1-47A6-8AE4-7312B13B11C4@wunderwood.org> Start with the list here. Choose one with good performance that is in your price range. The prices start at $10. http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 24, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Jim, > > I'd kind of like an interface with good performance that is smaller than the computer I'm using with it. > > Any suggestions? > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 8/24/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Sorry -- forgot post the link. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf >> Buy the ASUS or the Numark here. >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=asus%20u5&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search= >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/639303-REG/Numark_STEREO%7CIO_Stereo_iO_USB.html 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kx3.1 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 24 20:40:35 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:40:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Hi Lynn, The Numark, Tascam US100, and ASUS U5 are not very big. The tiny things I've seen are cheap junk. 73, Jim On 8/24/2017 5:32 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > I'd kind of like an interface with good performance that is smaller > than the computer I'm using with it. From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Aug 24 20:58:26 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:58:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: <1B21D4DD-5AF1-47A6-8AE4-7312B13B11C4@wunderwood.org> References: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1B21D4DD-5AF1-47A6-8AE4-7312B13B11C4@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <6d9f9f22-b3b3-3e55-73f3-7996d0354c98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> A key part of my question has to do with size. I want something small enough to toss in a bag with my laptop and my KX3 and take camping. On 8/24/2017 5:38 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Start with the list here. Choose one with good performance that is in your price range. The prices start at $10. > > http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj From kkinderen at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 21:19:18 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:19:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: <6d9f9f22-b3b3-3e55-73f3-7996d0354c98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1B21D4DD-5AF1-47A6-8AE4-7312B13B11C4@wunderwood.org> <6d9f9f22-b3b3-3e55-73f3-7996d0354c98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: I use the ASUS U7. Fits well in my camera bag with the radio. Works good with PSK-31 and other digi modes. Ugly part is all the cables and it is pretty easy to knock the big knob on top and throw that adjustment off. 73, Kev K4VD On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT < KX3.1 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > A key part of my question has to do with size. > > I want something small enough to toss in a bag with my laptop and my KX3 > and take camping. > > On 8/24/2017 5:38 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > >> Start with the list here. Choose one with good performance that is in >> your price range. The prices start at $10. >> >> http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html < >> http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html> >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com > From rmoodyg at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 24 21:35:28 2017 From: rmoodyg at bellsouth.net (Richard gillingham) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: <6d9f9f22-b3b3-3e55-73f3-7996d0354c98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1B21D4DD-5AF1-47A6-8AE4-7312B13B11C4@wunderwood.org> <6d9f9f22-b3b3-3e55-73f3-7996d0354c98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <1629801544.1937592.1503624928586@mail.yahoo.com> I use the NuMark for my desktop/K3, and the Griffin iMic for my laptop/kx3.? Both work well. 73Gil, W1RG From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces A key part of my question has to do with size. I want something small enough to toss in a bag with my laptop and my KX3 and take camping. On 8/24/2017 5:38 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Start with the list here. Choose one with good performance that is in your price range. The prices start at $10. > > http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmoodyg at bellsouth.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 24 23:11:47 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:Sunspots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FWIW: Counting sunspots is a fairly arcane diversion.? The generally accepted [although by no means universally] is the Wolf Number, Wn=k(10g+s), where g denotes the number of groups [sunspots tend to come in groups, not always individually discernible], s denotes the number of individual spots, again somewhat hard to discern, and k is an "observatory factor", which appears to be much like Einstein's Cosmological Constant, and can take on any value that makes the data work as you wish it to.? If you see spots, and they are at high solar latitudes, this augurs well, they may be Cycle 25. If they're on the solar equator, probably just part of Cycle 24. All that said, right now there aren't very many G's or S's, and k could be zero for all we know.? I am currently at the point where living to the Cycle 25 maximum is an immediate goal. [:-) 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/24/2017 3:29 PM, Doug Person wrote: > Sadly, I can only see 3 sunspots today. Down from 6 at the beginning > of the week. > > Doug -- K0DXV From k2zn at rochester.rr.com Fri Aug 25 06:30:15 2017 From: k2zn at rochester.rr.com (Al Scanandoah) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 06:30:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Focusrite Scarlet audio interfaces In-Reply-To: <6d9f9f22-b3b3-3e55-73f3-7996d0354c98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <9f2d03cf-dcdd-699b-95ae-b342d52fdb76@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1B21D4DD-5AF1-47A6-8AE4-7312B13B11C4@wunderwood.org> <6d9f9f22-b3b3-3e55-73f3-7996d0354c98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <470D85E6-0305-4D7B-A4B5-68289AB61EF6@rochester.rr.com> I've had good results with an older Behringer unit, the UCA202. I've been using it for 6m WSPR for the past few years without an issue. Not at all huge. Al, K2ZN On August 24, 2017 8:58:26 PM EDT, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: >A key part of my question has to do with size. > >I want something small enough to toss in a bag with my laptop and my >KX3 >and take camping. > >On 8/24/2017 5:38 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> Start with the list here. Choose one with good performance that is in >your price range. The prices start at $10. >> >> http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html > >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k2zn at rochester.rr.com -- Sent via mobile From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Fri Aug 25 08:17:32 2017 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:17:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:Sunspots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <105a1753-cf17-9031-b9b9-fb8bc1f02262@hvc.rr.com> Hi Fred, Yup, I did the Sunspot counts daily for the AAVSO for 8 years a long time ago. It was nice to see a few groups during the eclipse! The "K" factor is an individual observer's factor that takes account of experience of the observer. See: https://www.aavso.org/dances-wolfs-short-history-sunspot-indices 73! Tom - KB2SMS KX2 #01927 On 08/24/2017 11:11 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > FWIW: Counting sunspots is a fairly arcane diversion. The generally > accepted [although by no means universally] is the Wolf Number, > Wn=k(10g+s), where g denotes the number of groups [sunspots tend to > come in groups, not always individually discernible], s denotes the > number of individual spots, again somewhat hard to discern, and k is > an "observatory factor", which appears to be much like Einstein's > Cosmological Constant, and can take on any value that makes the data > work as you wish it to. If you see spots, and they are at high solar > latitudes, this augurs well, they may be Cycle 25. If they're on the > solar equator, probably just part of Cycle 24. > > All that said, right now there aren't very many G's or S's, and k > could be zero for all we know. I am currently at the point where > living to the Cycle 25 maximum is an immediate goal. [:-) > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 8/24/2017 3:29 PM, Doug Person wrote: >> Sadly, I can only see 3 sunspots today. Down from 6 at the beginning >> of the week. >> >> Doug -- K0DXV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Aug 25 10:08:30 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [WTB] KPA500/KAT500 In-Reply-To: <1503439738360-7633688.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503439738360-7633688.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1503670110682-7633752.post@n2.nabble.com> Got one - thanks to all who replied. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-KPA500-KAT500-tp7633688p7633752.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Aug 25 10:28:01 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:28:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Remote ATU with KPA500/KAT500? Message-ID: <1503671281924-7633753.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a used KPA500/KAT500 set arriving next week and plan to integrate into my shack which has a K3S/100 with Internal Tuner, and three antennas on 2 coax feed lines: 1. RG213 coax 1 runs to a 43ft Vertical with a D.C.-over-coax powered SG-235 remote ATU. I'm putting a MFJ-2910 80/160 Matching Coil on that soon. 2. RG213 coax 2 runs to a remote switch selecting a Par OA-50 6m horizontal loop 50ft up on a mast or a G5RV 102ft 40ft up with a LDG RT-600 remote ATU at base powered D.C.-over-coax. Both rATUs specify 100W max for tuning and to tune bypassing any amplifier. At present, I change bands and bypass the K3S internal ATU, transmit default 10W to activate the rATUs, then enable the internal K3S ATU and hit the ATU button to tune if the rATUs were much above 1:1. A lot on the integrated K3S/KPA500/KAT500 system seems defaulted to safeguards that prevent mistakes, which is great. How should I be thinking about using my rATUs with the addition of the KPA500/KAT500? I know I'll be bypassing the K3S internal ATU forever more. Is there a way to always bypass the KPA500 on band switch so as to not tune up with it enabled (assuming I should do so)? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Remote-ATU-with-KPA500-KAT500-tp7633753.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 25 14:46:01 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] On sunspots, amplifiers, and transceivers: An overview of the K-Line Message-ID: <34DDFF47-ED58-46F5-A0E3-B8916FAA4034@elecraft.com> Seeing the eclipse first-hand was amazing! I encourage everyone to get out there and see it in 2024 if you missed this one. This adventure also reminded me of sunspots, or lack thereof. And where an amplifier can really make a difference. In this regard, our new KPA1500 would make a timely addition to anyone?s arsenal. Of course the KPA1500 and KPA500/KAT500 will work with any transceiver. But I wanted to take a moment to explain why our other K-Line gear (K3S, K-Pod, P3, SP3) is still your best choice in complementing our amplifiers. K3S: The K3S is truly an operator?s radio, in the classic sense. Virtually every control you depend on during focussed on-air use (DXing, contesting, etc.) is at hand in the form of a ?hard? switch or knob, right where you need it. Some high-end radios depend on the use of a mouse and keyboard for basic control activation, or are almost entirely controlled by deep dives through a touch screen interface. These may not provide a satisfying ergonomic experience or adequate response time for the serious operator. To mention some of the specifics, the K3S has dedicated 400-count optical encoders for both VFO A and B; a full set of message memory and user-programmable controls; and top-level (non-menu) controls for all common TX and RX settings as well as RIT/XIT/offset clear. There are also rear-panel jacks for headphones and mic, allowing you to keep the front panel area free of cables. The K3S also has outstanding CW performance, unlike some radios that depend on networked interfaces or suffer from computational latency. Break-in is fast (up to 100 WPM in QRQ mode), transmitted keying bandwidth is the cleanest in the industry, and our sidetone uses ultra-smooth sigmoidal shaping (not a harsh square wave). It also has unbeatable receive dynamic range (20 dB better than the closest competitor on rejection of blocking signals). These attributes, along with outstanding diversity receive capability, make the K3S an obvious choice for who tackle the most difficult operating scenarios. Like, say, 160 meter CW contests. Finally, the K3S?s full-stereo audio (AFX mode) can dramatically reduce operating fatigue. AFX creates a sense of space you just can?t get with a single audio channel. K-Pod: You can extend the K3S's hard controls by one 400-count optical encoder and 16 switch functions by adding a K-Pod. The K-Pod allows you to create your own full set of new controls in the form of macros, allowing one-touch complex splits, etc. Many of our customers have created clever macros that they?ve shared on our forum. Those who do make frequent use of computer applications have told us that the K-Pod provides just the right level of instant manual controls to supplement their software use, minimizing effort during extended contesting. P3: Like the K3S, the P3 emphasizes hard controls to quickly assert settings you use frequently, such as specific scan widths, noise blanker or VFO B cursor on/off, pan/waterfall height selections, etc. There are 8 user-programmable functions you can adapt to suchrequirements. The P3?s display is also very fast, and very clean. We?ve heard comments from those using other high-end radios that their built-in displays often reflect evenly spaced spurs that result from inadequate shielding of DC-to-DC converters, etc. This can?t happen with the P3, which is separately shielded and is connected only to the analog IF of the radio. SP3: Besides being a ruggedly built, aesthetic complement to the K-Line, the SP3 speaker has full-bodied sound and convenient source switching. You can use one SP3 with two radios, or use two SP3s with two radios when using stereo audio. * * * If you have any questions about the new amplifier or any K-Line product, feel free to contact us. 73, Wayne N6KR From mpilgrim at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 25 18:24:48 2017 From: mpilgrim at bellsouth.net (Mike Pilgrim) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:24:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only Message-ID: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> Recently replaced my ic-7600 with a new to me K3. I don't recall this issue when using the ic7600, but I now have TVI in my u-Verse TVs when using the K3 on 40 meters, primarily on CW, with diminishing evidence on SSB up to 7.2.50 but okay above that. The symptom is pixilation on the screen, then audio blanks out, and finally the set top box will completely lose signal. This occurs on two TV operating on wireless set top boxes, and two hardwired with CAT-5 cabling. I have tried on three separate end-fed long wires fed by coax through a 9:1 UNUN, two with feedline length of 100' and the third approximately 60 feet. I can operate satisfactorily on all bands from160 to 10 Meters with exception of 40 Meters on all three antennas. The K3 auto tuner indicates 1 bar of SWR with output power anywhere from 10 to 100 Watts. I have also used an external ATU with same results. I have looked at everything I can think of, including terminating each antenna port with a dummy load, but to no avail. I've traced out all grounds and coax connections. Nothing helps. What might I be overlooking? Is there an inherent issue in the K3 which might attribute to this symptom? That seems likely since I don't recall this problem when using the same antennas with the IC-7600. I welcome any ideas or suggestions for where to look next. Thanks, Mike, K5MP mpilgrim at bellsouth.net From john at kn5l.net Fri Aug 25 18:38:39 2017 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:38:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <17600ac2-3fea-7816-91de-13bb4e572916@kn5l.net> Hi Mike, Did you replace the uVerse modem recently? I had the same 40M problem after replacing the modem. Google the issue, I believe you'll find similar experiences. John KN5L On 08/25/2017 05:24 PM, Mike Pilgrim wrote: > have TVI in my u-Verse TVs when using the > K3 on 40 meters From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Aug 25 19:09:01 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:09:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] On sunspots, amplifiers, and transceivers: An overview of the K-Line In-Reply-To: <34DDFF47-ED58-46F5-A0E3-B8916FAA4034@elecraft.com> References: <34DDFF47-ED58-46F5-A0E3-B8916FAA4034@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1503702541558-7633757.post@n2.nabble.com> Yep. Elecraft is great for people who have less knowledge and less understanding as it take real effort to bust the hardware. But the same hardware and software can enable advanced users to get amazing results. The Company support is excellent, if you have to resort to it. But the Forum usually gets folks past any hurdles encountered other than pure hardware failure. I have the K3S/100 with trimmings and P3, and just added a KPA500/KAT500 and SP3 speakers. Misc wattmeters, directional couplers, P3SVGA, etc., await my learning. I know I won't easily smoke the hardware and will get sage guidance from the Elecraft Community. I know I'll figure out why I need a KPA1500 down the road, and know there will be an integration path. Other vendors dead-end hardware year after year, but Elecraft has a design philosophy that works for us and them. Glad I drank the KoolAid! Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/On-sunspots-amplifiers-and-transceivers-An-overview-of-the-K-Line-tp7633754p7633757.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 25 19:16:30 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:16:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <641600f9-2759-c341-bfd9-c417fcd296c8@foothill.net> Does reducing the power change anything? Is there an inherent issue in the K3 which might attribute to this symptom? If there is, I'm pretty sure it's never been reported here before.? We have Uverse with 3 TV's via a wireless video bridge and one with a FireStick, and no problems at all on any band at 100 W to an end-fed wire on the back fence.? I do turn a couple of touch lamps on and off Navy-style on 80 and 160, but TV is fine. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/25/2017 3:24 PM, Mike Pilgrim wrote: > Recently replaced my ic-7600 with a new to me K3. I don't recall this issue > when using the ic7600, but I now have TVI in my u-Verse TVs when using the > K3 on 40 meters, primarily on CW, with diminishing evidence on SSB up to > 7.2.50 but okay above that. The symptom is pixilation on the screen, then > audio blanks out, and finally the set top box will completely lose signal. > This occurs on two TV operating on wireless set top boxes, and two hardwired > with CAT-5 cabling. I have tried on three separate end-fed long wires fed > by coax through a 9:1 UNUN, two with feedline length of 100' and the third > approximately 60 feet. I can operate satisfactorily on all bands from160 to > 10 Meters with exception of 40 Meters on all three antennas. The K3 auto > tuner indicates 1 bar of SWR with output power anywhere from 10 to 100 > Watts. I have also used an external ATU with same results. I have looked > at everything I can think of, including terminating each antenna port with a > dummy load, but to no avail. I've traced out all grounds and coax > connections. Nothing helps. What might I be overlooking? Is there an > inherent issue in the K3 which might attribute to this symptom? That seems > likely since I don't recall this problem when using the same antennas with > the IC-7600. I welcome any ideas or suggestions for where to look next. > > Thanks, > > Mike, K5MP From kenst at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 25 21:09:59 2017 From: kenst at roadrunner.com (N4OI - Ken) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:09:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] On sunspots, amplifiers, and transceivers: An overview of the K-Line In-Reply-To: <34DDFF47-ED58-46F5-A0E3-B8916FAA4034@elecraft.com> References: <34DDFF47-ED58-46F5-A0E3-B8916FAA4034@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1503709799304-7633759.post@n2.nabble.com> Preaching to the choir in this forum, but good to articulate the message once in a while... 73 N4OI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/On-sunspots-amplifiers-and-transceivers-An-overview-of-the-K-Line-tp7633754p7633759.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4rks73 at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 22:07:43 2017 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only Message-ID: Mike I have had problems with several DirecTV boxes with an 80 meter signal - even 3-5 watts. Wrapped the plastic DirecTV box in foil and cured the problem even at 500 watts. The, the DirecTV remote would not work through the foil, of course. RF was getting into the remote control circuit - only on SOME receiver models. Was a DirecTV problem, not my K3. Don't rule out their problem. Jim - W4RKS From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 25 22:16:41 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Mike, I can't think of a mechanism whereby ANY ham rig could be the CAUSE of interference to cable TV or DSL. On the other hand, there are MANY mechanisms where CATV and DSL systems, equipment, and wiring ARE the cause of interference to these systems, and there are several mechanisms whereby these systems cause RF interference TO our ham bands. I've seen many reports of UVerse being susceptible to ham transmitters. Call UVerse and tell them to fix it. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/25/2017 3:24 PM, Mike Pilgrim wrote: > Recently replaced my ic-7600 with a new to me K3. I don't recall this issue > when using the ic7600, but I now have TVI in my u-Verse TVs when using the > K3 on 40 meters, primarily on CW, with diminishing evidence on SSB up to > 7.2.50 but okay above that. From mike.flowers at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 22:35:05 2017 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:35:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <641600f9-2759-c341-bfd9-c417fcd296c8@foothill.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <641600f9-2759-c341-bfd9-c417fcd296c8@foothill.net> Message-ID: <7BCC464F-06AD-42AF-96FC-FB2F3B8A3085@gmail.com> I had TVI/internet lockups running a K3 into 80 & 160m wire antennas with U-verse. AT&T swapped out the modems numerous times, had three different models but no joy. Had their 'top techs' on the problem. At the time, the 'net was filled with U-verse TVI issues. Switched to cable and no further problems. Lots of folks are using U-verse without a TVI problem, but it never worked very well here. -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Aug 25, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Does reducing the power change anything? > > Is there an inherent issue in the K3 which might attribute to this symptom? > > If there is, I'm pretty sure it's never been reported here before. We have Uverse with 3 TV's via a wireless video bridge and one with a FireStick, and no problems at all on any band at 100 W to an end-fed wire on the back fence. I do turn a couple of touch lamps on and off Navy-style on 80 and 160, but TV is fine. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 8/25/2017 3:24 PM, Mike Pilgrim wrote: >> Recently replaced my ic-7600 with a new to me K3. I don't recall this issue >> when using the ic7600, but I now have TVI in my u-Verse TVs when using the >> K3 on 40 meters, primarily on CW, with diminishing evidence on SSB up to >> 7.2.50 but okay above that. The symptom is pixilation on the screen, then >> audio blanks out, and finally the set top box will completely lose signal. >> This occurs on two TV operating on wireless set top boxes, and two hardwired >> with CAT-5 cabling. I have tried on three separate end-fed long wires fed >> by coax through a 9:1 UNUN, two with feedline length of 100' and the third >> approximately 60 feet. I can operate satisfactorily on all bands from160 to >> 10 Meters with exception of 40 Meters on all three antennas. The K3 auto >> tuner indicates 1 bar of SWR with output power anywhere from 10 to 100 >> Watts. I have also used an external ATU with same results. I have looked >> at everything I can think of, including terminating each antenna port with a >> dummy load, but to no avail. I've traced out all grounds and coax >> connections. Nothing helps. What might I be overlooking? Is there an >> inherent issue in the K3 which might attribute to this symptom? That seems >> likely since I don't recall this problem when using the same antennas with >> the IC-7600. I welcome any ideas or suggestions for where to look next. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike, K5MP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From john at kn5l.net Sat Aug 26 06:21:59 2017 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: May find some information about the issue here: http://adslm.dohrenburg.net/uverse/ It will depend on which VSDL frequency is being used by the modem. My modem seemed to pick the high end of 40 meters most of the time. John KN5L On 08/25/2017 09:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > I can't think of a mechanism whereby ANY ham rig could be the CAUSE of > interference to cable TV or DSL. From alsopb at comcast.net Sat Aug 26 08:14:18 2017 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 12:14:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> John, Very informative. I intend to throw it in the face of the next AT&T salesman that comes knocking on my door. We get one every couple months. It is especially true that they lie about now being pure fiber to the house. I ask them how they installed fiber without having sent out a machine to route it. Not mentioned is the RFI that their modems can generate. Reading the article confirms that it is almost a given-- especially for those with overhead utilities. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/26/2017 10:21 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > May find some information about the issue here: > http://adslm.dohrenburg.net/uverse/ > > It will depend on which VSDL frequency is being used by the modem. My > modem seemed to pick the high end of 40 meters most of the time. > > John KN5L > > On 08/25/2017 09:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> I can't think of a mechanism whereby ANY ham rig could be the CAUSE of >> interference to cable TV or DSL. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > From johnbsaxon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 08:55:15 2017 From: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com (John Saxon) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1864998609.1387116.1503752115686@mail.yahoo.com> FWIW: I also have Uverse and cannot use 80 or 40 (haven't tried 160). ?My research (reading posts from people who know what they are talking about) indicates it is due to subcarrier frequencies used by AT&T - they include frequencies in the 160-80-40m bands, ending around 9mHz. ?I can operate 30m (10mHz) just fine. Here (Pearland, TX) it appears there is fiber to the neighborhood. ?However from a break-out to my house is POTS - twisted pair copper. ?Another ham stayed on AT&T until they used some sort of shielded cable (not sure what) instead of POTS and problem was solved. I haven't gotten into AT&Ts face yet, but will. ?May very well switch to Comcast that use coax for the feeds. I am certainly no expert, but have reached these conclusions from corresponding with hams who know a LOT more about this than I, and have experienced the same problem and reached the same conclusion. 73,JohnK5ENQ From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> 'Elecraft Reflector' Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017, 7:16:08 AM CDTSubject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only John, Very informative.? I intend to throw it in the face of the next AT&T salesman that comes knocking on my door.? We get one every couple months. It is especially true that they lie about now being pure fiber to the house.? I ask them how they installed fiber without having sent out a machine to route it. Not mentioned is the RFI that their modems can generate.? Reading the article confirms that it is almost a given-- especially for those with overhead utilities. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/26/2017 10:21 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > May find some information about the issue here: > http://adslm.dohrenburg.net/uverse/ > > It will depend on which VSDL frequency is being used by the modem. My > modem seemed to pick the high end of 40 meters most of the time. > > John KN5L > > On 08/25/2017 09:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> I can't think of a mechanism whereby ANY ham rig could be the CAUSE of >> interference to cable TV or DSL. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to johnbsaxon at yahoo.com From dave at nk7z.net Sat Aug 26 10:02:43 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 07:02:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <26265c28-2cbe-2784-99bc-da45781b9c48@nk7z.net> At least the issue is not important as it is only TV being disturbed, not your ham radio receive! :) 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/25/2017 03:24 PM, Mike Pilgrim wrote: > Recently replaced my ic-7600 with a new to me K3. I don't recall this issue > when using the ic7600, but I now have TVI in my u-Verse TVs when using the > K3 on 40 meters, primarily on CW, with diminishing evidence on SSB up to > 7.2.50 but okay above that. The symptom is pixilation on the screen, then > audio blanks out, and finally the set top box will completely lose signal. > This occurs on two TV operating on wireless set top boxes, and two hardwired > with CAT-5 cabling. I have tried on three separate end-fed long wires fed > by coax through a 9:1 UNUN, two with feedline length of 100' and the third > approximately 60 feet. I can operate satisfactorily on all bands from160 to > 10 Meters with exception of 40 Meters on all three antennas. The K3 auto > tuner indicates 1 bar of SWR with output power anywhere from 10 to 100 > Watts. I have also used an external ATU with same results. I have looked > at everything I can think of, including terminating each antenna port with a > dummy load, but to no avail. I've traced out all grounds and coax > connections. Nothing helps. What might I be overlooking? Is there an > inherent issue in the K3 which might attribute to this symptom? That seems > likely since I don't recall this problem when using the same antennas with > the IC-7600. I welcome any ideas or suggestions for where to look next. > > Thanks, > > Mike, K5MP > > mpilgrim at bellsouth.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Aug 26 10:29:10 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 07:29:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X v1.80rc1 FT8 Even/Odd Noise Difference? Message-ID: <1503757750446-7633767.post@n2.nabble.com> On my K3S/100 using WSJT-X set up as per http://tiny.cc/K3S-WSJT-X with v1.80rc1 on FT8 I adjust my RF knob to a 30dB noise level. I often see ~10dB difference between even/odd 15sec cycles with no visible difference in background noise on the waterfall. That is, at 28-32dB on even I might see ~40db on odd. Is this just faint signals on one 15sec cycle not apparent on the waterfall on the other 15sec cycle? But if I hunt around for open waterfall areas I seem to always see that ~10dB difference. Hmmm... Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-WSJT-X-v1-80rc1-FT8-Even-Odd-Noise-Difference-tp7633767.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 26 11:05:29 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X v1.80rc1 FT8 Even/Odd Noise Difference? In-Reply-To: <1503757750446-7633767.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503757750446-7633767.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0aaea40b-1c62-954b-a176-751536a9799e@embarqmail.com> Bret, I am not certain why that document says to choose the Microphone and Speaker. Normal DATA A modes will use LINE IN instead of microphone and LINE OUT instead of speaker. In other words, you may be overdriving the input to the soundcard which will give you a 'funny' waterfall display as well as being varied by the AF Gain control. The LINE IN gain on the K3/K3S is controlled by the LINE IN menu setting, and once set will remain fixed. You can also use the computer soundcard slider to adjust the volume. Similarly, the microphone level when microphone is selected for the K3/K3S input may prove to be difficult to adjust for the required 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. It should be better to use the LINE IN setting. The MIC GAIN is used to control the LINE IN level when LINE IN is selected. Remember with Elecraft gear to set the audio as described - 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing is the NO ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2. Do not attempt to control the power with the audio level, set the audio as indicated and control the power with the POWER knob. Yes, Elecraft controls power differently than other amateur transceivers. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2017 10:29 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > On my K3S/100 using WSJT-X set up as per http://tiny.cc/K3S-WSJT-X with > v1.80rc1 on FT8 I adjust my RF knob to a 30dB noise level. I often see ~10dB > difference between even/odd 15sec cycles with no visible difference in > background noise on the waterfall. That is, at 28-32dB on even I might see > ~40db on odd. Is this just faint signals on one 15sec cycle not apparent on > the waterfall on the other 15sec cycle? But if I hunt around for open > waterfall areas I seem to always see that ~10dB difference. Hmmm... From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 26 11:17:52 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:17:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X v1.80rc1 FT8 Even/Odd Noise Difference? In-Reply-To: <0aaea40b-1c62-954b-a176-751536a9799e@embarqmail.com> References: <1503757750446-7633767.post@n2.nabble.com> <0aaea40b-1c62-954b-a176-751536a9799e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <26ab5c92-2992-eea3-0f92-65e6c569b402@blomand.net> I'll be glad to make and supply screen shots of my WSJT-X and K3S set-up if anyone wishes.?? I find all works correct with the values and settings I use.?? I do use DATA A mode thus only one USB cable from the radio to the computer. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/26/2017 10:05 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bret, > > I am not certain why that document says to choose the Microphone and > Speaker. > Normal DATA A modes will use LINE IN instead of microphone and LINE > OUT instead of speaker. > > In other words, you may be overdriving the input to the soundcard > which will give you a 'funny' waterfall display as well as being > varied by the AF Gain control.? The LINE IN gain on the K3/K3S is > controlled by the LINE IN menu setting, and once set will remain > fixed.? You can also use the computer soundcard slider to adjust the > volume. > > Similarly, the microphone level when microphone is selected for the > K3/K3S input may prove to be difficult to adjust for the required 4 > bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing.? It should be better > to use the LINE IN setting.? The MIC GAIN is used to control the LINE > IN level when LINE IN is selected. > > Remember with Elecraft gear to set the audio as described - 4 bars on > the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing is the NO ALC point for the > K3/K3S/KX3/KX2.? Do not attempt to control the power with the audio > level, set the audio as indicated and control the power with the POWER > knob.? Yes, Elecraft controls power differently than other amateur > transceivers. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/26/2017 10:29 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >> On my K3S/100 using WSJT-X set up as per http://tiny.cc/K3S-WSJT-X with >> v1.80rc1 on FT8 I adjust my RF knob to a 30dB noise level. I often >> see ~10dB >> difference between even/odd 15sec cycles with no visible difference in >> background noise on the waterfall. That is, at 28-32dB on even I >> might see >> ~40db on odd. Is this just faint signals on one 15sec cycle not >> apparent on >> the waterfall on the other 15sec cycle? But if I hunt around for open >> waterfall areas I seem to always see that ~10dB difference. Hmmm... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 26 11:30:03 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:30:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X v1.80rc1 FT8 Even/Odd Noise Difference ? In-Reply-To: <1503757750446-7633767.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503757750446-7633767.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: CORRECTION: In the 2nd paragraph, That should be LINE OUT instead of LINE IN (rather than the Speaker level). 73, Don W3FPR Bret, I am not certain why that document says to choose the Microphone and Speaker. Normal DATA A modes will use LINE IN instead of microphone and LINE OUT instead of speaker. In other words, you may be overdriving the input to the soundcard which will give you a 'funny' waterfall display as well as being varied by the AF Gain control. The LINE IN gain on the K3/K3S is controlled by the LINE IN menu setting, and once set will remain fixed. You can also use the computer soundcard slider to adjust the volume. Similarly, the microphone level when microphone is selected for the K3/K3S input may prove to be difficult to adjust for the required 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. It should be better to use the LINE IN setting. The MIC GAIN is used to control the LINE IN level when LINE IN is selected. Remember with Elecraft gear to set the audio as described - 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing is the NO ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2. Do not attempt to control the power with the audio level, set the audio as indicated and control the power with the POWER knob. Yes, Elecraft controls power differently than other amateur transceivers. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2017 10:29 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > On my K3S/100 using WSJT-X set up as per http://tiny.cc/K3S-WSJT-X with > v1.80rc1 on FT8 I adjust my RF knob to a 30dB noise level. I often see ~10dB > difference between even/odd 15sec cycles with no visible difference in > background noise on the waterfall. That is, at 28-32dB on even I might see > ~40db on odd. Is this just faint signals on one 15sec cycle not apparent on > the waterfall on the other 15sec cycle? But if I hunt around for open > waterfall areas I seem to always see that ~10dB difference. Hmmm... From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 26 12:00:01 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now accepting orders for the Elecraft KPA1500 amplifier Message-ID: <0BAE30E8-9E4A-4376-AD1C-C68BCEE62553@elecraft.com> We?re now accepting orders for the new KPA1500 amplifier, having completed the FCC approval process. Target for initial shipments is the end of October. Many of you have already received a notice about this via email. If you?re not on our email list, you can see the complete announcement here, as part of our August newsletter: http://mailchi.mp/elecraft/august-2017-newsletter-kpa1500-available-to-order Our KPA1500 web page has full details on the amp: http://www.elecraft.com/KPA1500/KPA1500.htm ...including this FAQ: http://www.elecraft.com/KPA1500/KPA1500%20FAQ.pdf Feel free to send any questions about the KPA1500 or the ordering process directly to me, and/or post them to the list. Chances are others may have the same questions. Here?s a very brief summary of the KPA1500?s features: * 1500 W * 160-6 meters * Space-saving RF deck and separate power supply unit * Fast, silent PIN diode T/R switching * Built-in antenna tuner with dual antenna jacks * Extensive remote control capabilities * Compatible with nearly any transceiver 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat Aug 26 12:07:18 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:07:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <83f57ad5-afb8-7adb-c4f8-05af39463974@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> The industry term is FTTx. What you're calling "pure" fiber is FTTH -- Fiber to the Home. Once it gets to your house, it converts to copper, usually ethernet. UVerse is FTTN -- Fiber to the Node (FTTC is Fiber to the Cabinet, same thing). It costs less because they don't have to run optical cable all the way to your house, which may involve trenching or "special construction" of some sort, it uses existing copper, and depending on the operator, gives you the same speed you'd get with fiber. ... and at a lower cost. That said, the short xDSL part isn't supposed to radiate. I'm waiting for a gigabit FTTH project to reach me here. The ONT will be in my office, but it'll be copper through the rest of the house. 73 -- Lynn On 8/26/2017 5:14 AM, brian wrote: > It is especially true that they lie about now being pure fiber to the > house. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 26 12:23:31 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:23:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> Message-ID: This is an example of what I was talking about (quoted below) that I can't think of any mechanism whereby ANY ham rig is the CAUSE of RFI, and an example of several common mechanisms within those systems that make them susceptible. Their equipment and systems SHOULD reject or signals and fail to do so, thanks to failures in design, manufacturing, and/or installation. In other words, it is ALWAYS their fault. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/26/2017 5:14 AM, brian wrote: > John, > > Very informative. I intend to throw it in the face of the next AT&T > salesman that comes knocking on my door. We get one every couple months. > > It is especially true that they lie about now being pure fiber to the > house. I ask them how they installed fiber without having sent out a > machine to route it. > > Not mentioned is the RFI that their modems can generate. Reading the > article confirms that it is almost a given-- especially for those with > overhead utilities. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > On 8/26/2017 10:21 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: >> May find some information about the issue here: >> http://adslm.dohrenburg.net/uverse/ >> >> It will depend on which VSDL frequency is being used by the modem. My >> modem seemed to pick the high end of 40 meters most of the time. >> >> John KN5L >> >> On 08/25/2017 09:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> I can't think of a mechanism whereby ANY ham rig could be the CAUSE of >>> interference to cable TV or DSL. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 26 12:36:25 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46e108c5-69e3-2b81-a41a-9ab86e832324@blomand.net> I agree.?? This mostly falls under the Part 15 rules where it says in general; "they must accept interference but not cause interference, etc".? It boils down to a cost point.?? In other words, they are using the cheapest box that can be purchased to meet their requirements.?? I've held their feet to the fire on the point to where they acknowledge they have no choice in hardware or technical expertise that can or will resolve the issue. My other and older receiver worked fine with no issues until lightning took it out.? They replaced it with a new one which has issues. ? In other words, "we would love to keep you as a customer but we can't fix your problem".??? The old receiver had an external connector for the RF remote receiver.? I removed the antenna, terminated the input and switched the remote over to IR remote control.?? The new receiver has a built in antenna for remote control and thus it has a plastic box.?? Even on IR remote the RF receiver is still active.?? Projcet cost down? ........ grrrrrr! 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/26/2017 11:23 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > This is an example of what I was talking about (quoted below) that I > can't think of any mechanism whereby ANY ham rig is the CAUSE of RFI, > and an example of several common mechanisms within those systems that > make them susceptible. Their equipment and systems SHOULD reject or > signals and fail to do so, thanks to failures in design, > manufacturing, and/or installation. > > In other words, it is ALWAYS their fault. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/26/2017 5:14 AM, brian wrote: >> John, >> >> Very informative.? I intend to throw it in the face of the next AT&T >> salesman that comes knocking on my door.? We get one every couple >> months. >> >> It is especially true that they lie about now being pure fiber to the >> house.? I ask them how they installed fiber without having sent out a >> machine to route it. >> >> Not mentioned is the RFI that their modems can generate. Reading the >> article confirms that it is almost a given-- especially for those >> with overhead utilities. >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> >> >> On 8/26/2017 10:21 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: >>> May find some information about the issue here: >>> http://adslm.dohrenburg.net/uverse/ >>> >>> It will depend on which VSDL frequency is being used by the modem. My >>> modem seemed to pick the high end of 40 meters most of the time. >>> >>> John KN5L >>> >>> On 08/25/2017 09:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>> I can't think of a mechanism whereby ANY ham rig could be the CAUSE of >>>> interference to cable TV or DSL. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 26 12:59:30 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:59:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: <83f57ad5-afb8-7adb-c4f8-05af39463974@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> <83f57ad5-afb8-7adb-c4f8-05af39463974@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: On 8/26/2017 9:07 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > That said, the short xDSL part isn't supposed to radiate. "Supposed" is the key word here. Radiation occurs due to several mechanisms. 1) Poor circuit layout inside equipment that is also poorly shielded. That wiring radiates. 2) Poor common mode isolation of wiring connected to equipment. On paired cable, a low quality output transformer or poorly balanced output stage puts common mode on the cable. On coax, a Pin One Problem puts common mode on the cable. The cable radiates, just like any other antenna. Power supply wiring is also a potential radiator, and the power supply itself is often a noise source (if it's switch-mode). 3) Poor quality paired cable. Structured cable (CAT5/6/7) is, in general, pretty high quality twisted pair, but quality also varies with manufacturer. Belden, for example, builds its structured cable from molded pairs, which makes their construction more uniform, which minimizes radiation/reception of differential mode signals. By contrast, parallel wire cables have lousy rejection (20-40 dB worse) and are prone to radiation and reception of ANY interfering signal, from audio to VHF. As an example of #3, zip cord, glorified or otherwise, is TERRIBLE speaker cable, because it is a sitting duck for any audio or radio frequency noise. When I lived in Chicago, solved a lot of RFI from broadcast TV to hi-fi systems by replacing zip cord speaker cables with twisted pair. Sadly, most modern local telco wiring is either poor quality twisted pair or not twisted at all. Using this wiring for DSL is an open door to RFI. These, and other issues related to RFI, including CATV and DSL systems, are addressed in detail in several app notes and tutorials on my website. k9yc.com/publish.htm 73, Jim K9YC 73, Jim K9YC From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat Aug 26 13:58:55 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:58:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> <83f57ad5-afb8-7adb-c4f8-05af39463974@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Went back to Mike's original message and read it more carefully. First, he's reporting that his CW signal interferes with his TV, not the other way around. It's not the VHDSL (probably) signal getting out, but his 40 meter signal getting in. UVerse is 100% digital, not analog. He describes how the picture breaks up, and that's exactly what happens when there is a lot of packet loss. I'd bet he'd notice internet problems at the same time as the TVI. All of the TVs have the same issue at the same time, so it's not the ethernet running around the house, or the WiFi, it's between the UVerse box and the cabinet out on the street (the cabinet is fed by fiber). Here's the fun bit, you mention "poor quality paired cable." UVerse does not install a new drop. They take whatever wire happens to be there, and use that. It's guaranteed to be CAT 3 or less. There could be bridge taps, or multiple unterminated jacks in multiple rooms. It could be RG-59, if there happens to be a coax run to where the customer wants the router. It wouldn't be RG-59 all the way to the cabinet. A mixed-up mess of wiring is not only possible, but likely. 73 -- Lynn On 8/26/2017 9:59 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/26/2017 9:07 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> That said, the short xDSL part isn't supposed to radiate. > > "Supposed" is the key word here. Radiation occurs due to several > mechanisms. > 3) Poor quality paired cable. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 26 14:29:52 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> <83f57ad5-afb8-7adb-c4f8-05af39463974@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: On 8/26/2017 10:58 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > First, he's reporting that his CW signal interferes with his TV, not > the other way around. It's not the VHDSL (probably) signal getting > out, but his 40 meter signal getting in. Doesn't matter -- thanks to the principle of reciprocity, any passive system that radiates will also receive, and all of that interface (wiring, transformers, cable termination, Pin One Problem) is passive. Take my post and substitute the word "receive" for "radiate." Reciprocity is the principle that causes antenna gain and directivity to be the same on receive as on transmit. Further, electronics at both ends of these systems are noise sources, and both are susceptible to interference, and both input and output stages can be susceptible to interference. RFI often comes into audio power amplifiers on their loudspeaker wiring, which couples back to the input of the stage via the feedback network, where it is detected and amplified. Pin One Problems inject any current on cable shields onto the signal common bus (traditionally called "ground"), where it gets injected into gain stages at the whim of the PC layout artist, detected, and amplified (or breaking up the digital signal). Study the tutorial material on my website. Neil Muncy, ex-W3WJE (SK) published work documenting this in 1994. In bar conversation, he observed that most RFI issues are caused by Pin One Problems. In 2003, I published research showing that statement to be entirely correct with respect to audio gear. Those AES Papers are on my website. There's also tutorial material that's easy to read. Because Pin One Problems are putting the interfering signal onto the signal return bus (signal ground), there's no logic between which gain stage detects it and the cable it came in on. The RF could be on an output cable, or on the cable for input #3, but turning the gain for the input or for mic #10 could cause the RFI to increase in level. 73, Jim K9YC From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat Aug 26 15:01:36 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 12:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> <83f57ad5-afb8-7adb-c4f8-05af39463974@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <05cf9202-ba5d-926b-7346-0d5ddff81a72@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Since most DSL systems have multiple carriers, the only real distinction between "in" and "out" is that there is no carrier near enough to interfere with his receiver. So, yeah, signals are radiating. It's just not generating Mike's complaint. The main point I was trying to make is that the wiring will never be as good as a straight CAT 5 run. The installer is mostly looking from continuity from the DSLAM in the cabinet/pedestal, through the B-Box to the TNI on the side of the house, and from the TNI to the desired jack. The pair from B-Box can run from one end of the feeder, through several other B-Boxes. It can be tapped at the closest B-Box and run for hundreds of feet with no termination. From the TNI, the inside house wiring can have unterminated jacks in every room. To a phone company (and the FCC) everything on the customer's side of the TNI belongs to the customer. Running good shielded twisted pair and grounding the shield as best you can at both ends might help, with the rest of the house jacks disconnected at the TNI. That assumes they're not using a POTS phone. I haven't had one for years. 73 -- Lynn On 8/26/2017 11:29 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/26/2017 10:58 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> First, he's reporting that his CW signal interferes with his TV, not >> the other way around.? It's not the VHDSL (probably) signal getting >> out, but his 40 meter signal getting in. > > Doesn't matter -- thanks to the principle of reciprocity, any passive > system that radiates will also receive, and all of that interface > (wiring, transformers, cable termination, Pin One Problem) is passive. > Take my post and substitute the word "receive" for "radiate." > Reciprocity is the principle that causes antenna gain and directivity to > be the same on receive as on transmit. > > Further, electronics at both ends of these systems are noise sources, > and both are susceptible to interference, and both input and output > stages can be susceptible to interference. RFI often comes into audio > power amplifiers on their loudspeaker wiring, which couples back to the > input of the stage via the feedback network, where it is detected and > amplified. > > Pin One Problems inject any current on cable shields onto the signal > common bus (traditionally called "ground"), where it gets injected into > gain stages at the whim of the PC layout artist, detected, and amplified > (or breaking up the digital signal). Study the tutorial material on my > website. Neil Muncy, ex-W3WJE (SK) published work documenting this in > 1994. In bar conversation, he observed that most RFI issues are caused > by Pin One Problems. In 2003, I published research showing that > statement to be entirely correct with respect to audio gear. Those AES > Papers are on my website. There's also tutorial material that's easy to > read. > > Because Pin One Problems are putting the interfering signal onto the > signal return bus (signal ground), there's no logic between which gain > stage detects it and the cable it came in on. The RF could be on an > output cable, or on the cable for input #3, but turning the gain for the > input or for mic #10 could cause the RFI to increase in level. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kx3.1 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > From alorona at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 26 15:36:37 2017 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability In-Reply-To: <57888453-819c-0576-9be1-b3e4226fcad6@blomand.net> References: <17d95fcf-6aa1-2071-5fb7-f154fd893738@embarqmail.com> <57888453-819c-0576-9be1-b3e4226fcad6@blomand.net> Message-ID: <850127961.524491.1503776197782@mail.yahoo.com> Once again, a beautiful post by Bob. His description suggests a feature that could be put into any new transceiver. Imagine a graphical depiction of Bob's scenario below on the color screen of the radio which would help you optimize the placement of the dynamic range of the radio with respect to the band noise. A simple vertical graph, showing measured band noise floor at the bottom and a vertical axis calibrated in dBm, with a movable rectangular "window" shaded with a color that moves up and down according to the setting of the RF Gain, Atten, and Preamp of the radio. Maybe this already exists in one of the fancy SDR radios and I don't know about it? But it seems to me that this would be a great aid to visualizing where the dynamic range of the radio is set. If too much of the colored window I'm talking about is below the band noise, it would be obvious that reducing gain or adding attenuation would optimize the dynamic range without sacrificing sensitivity -- a concept that many hams have difficulty understanding. In the K3, for example, the shaded rectangle would have a fixed height of about 104 dB, the dynamic range of the receiver. As you decreased the RF Gain, that window would move up, and as you increased RF Gain it would move down. Turn on the ATT and the window jumps up by 10 dB. Turn on the preamp and the window jumps down by whatever the gain of the preamp is. According to Bob's excellent description you want the bottom of the window to be about 10 dB below the noise floor, but no lower. Think of how easy it would be to adjust your controls if you could *see* what's happening on the screen of the P3. Those of us with "preampitis" would finally realize that the preamp is unnecessary in many situations. The key to this would be to give the receiver the ability to measure the current noise floor in dBm so it could be plotted on the screen, showing the operator the noise floor in real time, and for the receiver to know at all times what its maximum signal level handling point is. The P3, of course, already measures noise floor; maybe each receiver would need a pre-measured dynamic range burned into a ROM at the factory. But I don't even think that's necessary... some nominal window height as I mentioned earlier would probably be good enough, plus or minus a couple of dB. R, Al? W6LX ___________________________________________________________________ One thing that also helps is to use minimum necessary RF gain and correct utilization of Attenuation.? Thus on 160M and 80M and to some extent 40M, I use 15 dB Attenuation and reduce the RF gain a wee bit.? In doing so, the signals pop out of the noise. A point to consider is optimum receiver performance occurs when the band noise floor is 10 dB to 15 dB above the receiver noise floor.? Since we can't really change the receiver noise floor, we must change what is arriving at the front end.? This means some degree of attenuation and RF Gain reduction is required.? For the math.......if no signal band noise is -97 dBm or S-5 and the receiver noise floor is - 125 dBm, a difference of 28 dB, the receiver should have 15 dB of attenuation activated.?? You can do the same with the RF Gain by reducing it about 3 or 4 S units. Too much RF gain being utilized in an attempt to hear weak signals is not necessarily a good thing.? As one goes higher in frequency, usually band noise decreases and finally to a point where the PRE should be used.?? In many cases I've heard hams describe the use of? ATTN is to prevent receiver overload.? While true under some cases, most residential QTH locations and antennas won't encounter enough signal to overload the receiver.? Thus the ATTN function is more beneficial when used in correct receiving gain structure. 73 Bob, K4TAX From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 16:01:24 2017 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:01:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability In-Reply-To: <850127961.524491.1503776197782@mail.yahoo.com> References: <17d95fcf-6aa1-2071-5fb7-f154fd893738@embarqmail.com> <57888453-819c-0576-9be1-b3e4226fcad6@blomand.net> <850127961.524491.1503776197782@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob K4TAX, Why 10 to 15 dB above - is your idea to have some margin for band noise floor changes? It seems you'd maximize dynamic range by making the two equal. Tnx es 73, Mike ab3ap On 08/26/2017 03:36 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Once again, a beautiful post by Bob. [...] > > R, Al W6LX > ___________________________________________________________________ > > [...] A point to consider is optimum receiver performance occurs when the > band noise floor is 10 dB to 15 dB above the receiver noise floor. [...] > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX From k2asp at kanafi.org Sat Aug 26 16:17:48 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:17:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TVI on 40 meters only In-Reply-To: References: <003601d31df0$f718a3a0$e549eae0$@bellsouth.net> <91af3a6c-3611-693c-68a2-85f73299a379@audiosystemsgroup.com> <59A1661A.3060802@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 8/26/2017 9:23 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > In other words, it is ALWAYS their fault. Until the rig starts outputting spurious signals. I'm still of the generation when low-pass filters were not all that common, ditto for transmitter shielding and bypassing. Never say never when it comes to the Tennessee Valley Indians. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 26 16:23:33 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:23:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A very desirable capability In-Reply-To: References: <17d95fcf-6aa1-2071-5fb7-f154fd893738@embarqmail.com> <57888453-819c-0576-9be1-b3e4226fcad6@blomand.net> <850127961.524491.1503776197782@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02484a5e-7a84-7a46-eb1c-f96929669b4a@blomand.net> Most legacy receivers are designed for 10 meters.? Within this point, this generally says the receiver gain on lower frequencies is somewhat excessive. ? Plus typical of most environments, the band noise increases as frequency decreases.? Additionally, the ear has the ability to easily discern two signals, one being noise, with a 10 dB differential.? With hearing, if two signals are of equal level, the signal of the higher frequency component will sound louder.? Usually this is the noise component.?? Thus we desire to make a difference for ease of hearing.? As to the physics of the receiver, anytime gain is added there is also some noise component added. I have had in-depth discussion with the likes of Rob Sherwood on the topic.? Part of this has to do with "is your antenna adequate to allow weak signal copy". ? {Topic for different discussion.} Also having been involved with another company that made ham radio products for 40+ years, I've had in-depth discussions with their engineering staff regarding optimization of receiver performance. The general approach is to add attenuation as needed and or reduce RF gain and the signal will pop out of the noise.? From these sources, the 10 dB to 15 dB number seems to always come to the forefront of the discussion. Here is a quote from my files: If receiver noise floor is 10 dB below band noise, the receiver is contributing less than 0.5 dB of the total noise. Band noise varies by band over 30 dB, 160-10 meters. It also varies by direction and time of day, plus what the sun is doing. In an noisy urban environment it is anybody's guess as to your band noise level. A simple test is to see how much the noise coming out your speaker increases when you switch between a dummy load and your antenna, when tuned to a dead spot on the band. Example on 10 meters at my rural QTH, IC-756 Pro III: preamp OFF, noise goes up 3 dB. That means the receiver is contributing half the noise. Preamp 1 ON, band noise goes up 9.5 dB. Almost all legacy receivers are designed for 10 meters, and attenuation is desirable on the low HF bands. Most SDR receivers have a preamp in the circuit all the time to buffer the antenna connection to the ADC. The Flex 6000 radios can have the preamp out of the circuit, and will need the preamp enabled on some bands at certain times of day. If you can barely hear your antenna connect, you are not going to hear weak signals. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/26/2017 3:01 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > Bob K4TAX, > > Why 10 to 15 dB above - is your idea to have some margin for band > noise floor changes?? It seems you'd maximize dynamic range by making > the two equal. > > Tnx es 73, > Mike ab3ap From doug at k0dxv.com Sat Aug 26 18:47:29 2017 From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:47:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:Sunspots In-Reply-To: <105a1753-cf17-9031-b9b9-fb8bc1f02262@hvc.rr.com> References: <105a1753-cf17-9031-b9b9-fb8bc1f02262@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <0d9fd47b-8c05-c2e8-4e40-cb4263a7a9ff@k0dxv.com> Glad to see there are few more observers out there. What I saw were two groups moving from north to south. Earlier there were three groups. But one group rotated out of view. I'm more of a deep sky observer and seeing the sun is a bit of a new experience. I bought a small solar scope to observe the eclipse. It was quite fascinating to see it happen where the sun appeared as large as an apple in the eyepiece. Now that I have the little solar scope it's kind of interesting to see spots with my own eyes. I'm hoping this is, in fact, the beginning of cycle 25. The doldrums on 20 and 17 and a bit depressing. Oddly enough, despite the low activity, I've been quite amazed at the number of good Q's I've made on 20 with the KX2. Seem to get a lot of 5x5 to 5x7 reports along with the comment "I can't believe you're only running 10 watts into a dipole". Of course the dipole is about 8300' ASL or about 50' above average terrain which is 8250' in elevation. That seems to be my QRP ace-in-the-hole. 73 - actually 72! -- Viva la QRP Doug -- K0DXV On 8/25/2017 6:17 AM, Tommy wrote: > Hi Fred, > > Yup, I did the Sunspot counts daily for the AAVSO for 8 years a > long time ago. It was nice to see a few groups during the eclipse! The > "K" factor is an individual observer's factor that takes account of > experience of the observer. See: > https://www.aavso.org/dances-wolfs-short-history-sunspot-indices > > 73! > > Tom - KB2SMS > > KX2 #01927 > > > On 08/24/2017 11:11 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> FWIW: Counting sunspots is a fairly arcane diversion. The generally >> accepted [although by no means universally] is the Wolf Number, >> Wn=k(10g+s), where g denotes the number of groups [sunspots tend to >> come in groups, not always individually discernible], s denotes the >> number of individual spots, again somewhat hard to discern, and k is >> an "observatory factor", which appears to be much like Einstein's >> Cosmological Constant, and can take on any value that makes the data >> work as you wish it to. If you see spots, and they are at high solar >> latitudes, this augurs well, they may be Cycle 25. If they're on the >> solar equator, probably just part of Cycle 24. >> >> All that said, right now there aren't very many G's or S's, and k >> could be zero for all we know. I am currently at the point where >> living to the Cycle 25 maximum is an immediate goal. [:-) >> >> 73, >> >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >> On 8/24/2017 3:29 PM, Doug Person wrote: >>> Sadly, I can only see 3 sunspots today. Down from 6 at the beginning >>> of the week. >>> >>> Doug -- K0DXV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to doug at k0dxv.com From mike at ve3yf.com Sat Aug 26 19:07:52 2017 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 23:07:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence Message-ID: <854bbc53-279d-6c20-d2ed-a88f3aa73c79@ve3yf.com> Hi: I have something strange that just started to popup. The K3 is on a 80m Freq of 3.755.00 and I also have the P3 turned on and it is reading the same freq. Every so often (random) the Freq on the P3 will go to 0 and then back to 3.755.00. The rest of the display is just fine with only a slight flicker as the displayed freq changes. This strange occurrence is not being displayed or observed on the K3. On the RS-232 Port on the back of the K3, one branch of a Y-Cable connects the K3 to the P3 via a short RS-232 Cable on the bottom P3 RS-232 Connector, and the other branch of the Y-Cable is connected to a MicroHam MK2. The other RS-232 Port on the P3 is hooked up to the computer comport. On the ACC Port on the back of the K3 is another Y-Cable that connects the K3 to the Microham MK2 and the other branch of the Y-Cable goes to the KAT500. Both the K3 and P3 have the latest firmware. Both cables have been in place for over a couple years, and all of a sudden this strange occurrence has shown up. Any one have any idea's. Tnx. -- *73 De Mike* *VE3YF _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* From mike at ve3yf.com Sat Aug 26 19:21:40 2017 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 23:21:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence In-Reply-To: <854bbc53-279d-6c20-d2ed-a88f3aa73c79@ve3yf.com> References: <854bbc53-279d-6c20-d2ed-a88f3aa73c79@ve3yf.com> Message-ID: <15f7d070-41bc-e1a5-a03a-c39eb5b39cc6@ve3yf.com> I should have mentioned that I already have even swapped out the RS-232 straight cable and Y-Cable, ACC Y-Cable from my other K3 Station and no change in the results. *73 De Mike* *VE3YF _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* From mike at ve3yf.com Sat Aug 26 19:25:42 2017 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 23:25:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence In-Reply-To: <854bbc53-279d-6c20-d2ed-a88f3aa73c79@ve3yf.com> References: <854bbc53-279d-6c20-d2ed-a88f3aa73c79@ve3yf.com> Message-ID: <444fb197-8127-5ff5-c21c-a3a09441fab4@ve3yf.com> Boy oh boy, another goof by me, this whole occurrence happens on receive. Tnx for all the support. *73 De Mike* *VE3YF _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sat Aug 26 19:47:31 2017 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:47:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Terrain was OT:Sunspots In-Reply-To: <0d9fd47b-8c05-c2e8-4e40-cb4263a7a9ff@k0dxv.com> References: <105a1753-cf17-9031-b9b9-fb8bc1f02262@hvc.rr.com> <0d9fd47b-8c05-c2e8-4e40-cb4263a7a9ff@k0dxv.com> Message-ID: <6346E53F-183A-4883-BDC5-8AD40E7989CD@coastside.net> Doug- It's the terrain within a few miles of your QTH that makes the difference. Have you looked at HFTA, the terrain analysis software that comes on the ARRL Antenna Book CD? Kinda neat. I was appalled to find out that I shouldn't hear signals from EU below 8 degrees elevation due to a hill to the NE. Statistically that's about 2/3 of 'em. Good to the Pacific tho. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Aug 26, 2017, at 15:47, Doug Person wrote: > Of course the dipole is about 8300' ASL or about 50' above average terrain which is 8250' in elevation. That seems to be my QRP ace-in-the-hole. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Aug 26 20:17:18 2017 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:17:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence Message-ID: <737b3eda64a71b885452b76867d0dedd@smtp.videotron.ca> HiI may be mistaken but I think the proper cabling of the micro ham is micro ham to p3. P3 to k3 with no serial port y cable.?Joe would know best.?73 Tom? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Mike VE3YF Date: 2017-08-26 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence Boy oh boy, another goof by me, this whole occurrence happens on receive. Tnx for all the support. *73 De Mike* *VE3YF _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From sidfrissell at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 21:49:20 2017 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:49:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Power for KAT500 Message-ID: Thanks to all who sent email or posted help here. I ended up using the station power supply. Late this afternoon I finished all the connections and hit the on button.it worked as it is supposed to just like all my other Elecraft gear has. My first amplifier in my 60 years of ham radio! Great fun. Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 26 22:52:32 2017 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 22:52:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence In-Reply-To: <737b3eda64a71b885452b76867d0dedd@smtp.videotron.ca> References: <737b3eda64a71b885452b76867d0dedd@smtp.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <27459c5b-37fb-0897-e829-d90c915e48f3@subich.com> On 8/26/2017 8:17 PM, tomb18 wrote: > I may be mistaken but I think the proper cabling of the micro ham is > micro ham to p3. P3 to k3 with no serial port y cable. That's correct ... as documented on page 19 of the K3S Owner's Manual: "To connect a P3 Panadapter to the K3S, and optionally connect a computer to the P3 (via RS232)". The microHAM interface is equivalent to a computer RS-232 port when it comes to connecting to a K3/K3S. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/26/2017 8:17 PM, tomb18 wrote: > HiI may be mistaken but I think the proper cabling of the micro ham is micro ham to p3. P3 to k3 with no serial port y cable.?Joe would know best.?73 Tom > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Mike VE3YF Date: 2017-08-26 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence > Boy oh boy, another goof by me, this whole occurrence happens on > receive. Tnx for all the support. > > *73 De Mike* > *VE3YF > > _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Aug 26 23:08:46 2017 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:08:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <6436bd97-864d-eaab-bf3b-c9527e963214@coho.net> Good evening, ??? It pays to know the produce manager of your local store.? He had a fresh batch of Hatch chilies and made sure to tell me.? Today I roasted four of them while I toasted tortillas.? The beans were already on the stove.? The smell was fantastic but the glow after eating three of them is something else.? Kind of like XC skiing for twenty miles or so when the endorphins kick in. ?? The sun has some spots and a little activity.? Solar flux is not high but enough to support some communications.? After an oddly chilly Monday the temperature has risen to a pleasant 80. Nights are in the low 50s.? Makes stargazing more pleasant with little wind the stars are easier to magnify. Please join us tomorrow on: ?? 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ??? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) ??? 73, ??????? Kevin. KD5ONS - From mike at ve3yf.com Sun Aug 27 00:32:20 2017 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 04:32:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 & P3 Strange Occurrence In-Reply-To: <444fb197-8127-5ff5-c21c-a3a09441fab4@ve3yf.com> References: <854bbc53-279d-6c20-d2ed-a88f3aa73c79@ve3yf.com> <444fb197-8127-5ff5-c21c-a3a09441fab4@ve3yf.com> Message-ID: <7bb09d94-daf5-f15b-1a0f-bab8b8cdf8a0@ve3yf.com> Thanks to Tom and Joe, they solved the problem. I remember I had moved things around and was tidying cables up on the desk and didn't put things back in the proper position. Another dumb move by this operator in not properly labeling the cables. Oh well I guess it keeps the list entertained. I must have read this solution somewhere before as this is the first time I had the problem. Oh well live and learn.... Tnx to everyone who offered input as to a possible solution. *73 De Mike* *VE3YF _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_* From n1al at sonic.net Sun Aug 27 00:57:26 2017 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:57:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> Any chance the sensor unit is hooked up backwards? (i.e. transmitter connector to antenna and vice versa) Alan N1AL On 08/24/2017 03:07 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > K3S100/KAT100 rig with P3, P3SVGA and P3TXMON Directional Coupler 200W. > > When TX at 100W, on 80m for example, the PEP on the P3 shows 2.4W PEP on the > 120W scale and SWR is full scale at 99.0. > > I have put a Bird43 at my antenna base and verified 64W just before the > SG-235 remote ATU on my 43ft Vertical (it's far away on RG213). SWR on > KAT100 Bypass is 1.2 by remote ATU and down to 1.0 with KAT100 enabled. > > Must be I have things set up wrong on the TXMON? > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 27 03:06:34 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 00:06:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1503817594356-7633794.post@n2.nabble.com> Possible - which side should LOAD be connected...K3S or Antenna? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633794.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hsherriff at reagan.com Sun Aug 27 05:36:42 2017 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 05:36:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <1503817594356-7633794.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> <1503817594356-7633794.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <947F46A9-A5FD-4985-857B-1F09006A1F4D@reagan.com> The antenna connects to the "load" connector. Harlan K4HES Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 27, 2017, at 3:06 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > > Possible - which side should LOAD be connected...K3S or Antenna? > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633794.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 27 07:39:54 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 04:39:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <947F46A9-A5FD-4985-857B-1F09006A1F4D@reagan.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> <1503817594356-7633794.post@n2.nabble.com> <947F46A9-A5FD-4985-857B-1F09006A1F4D@reagan.com> Message-ID: <1503833994955-7633796.post@n2.nabble.com> Yep - LOAD to Antenna. That's what I thought should be correct. So why I installed it backwards last August, I'll never know! I just reversed it. Numbers look spot on now. *And* I see the UPS I'm using appears to limit output if I exceed the power draw specification. I just installed the software for that UPS and see nowhere in the documentation that it doesn't just limit to maximum wattage but sharply cuts wattage output if I hit the limit. So many of my FT8 TX cycles have been dropped from 100W to 20-25W by the UPS circuit when I exceed the limit. I'll switch in another higher capacity UPS this week. BRET/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633796.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 27 08:34:17 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 05:34:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1503837257127-7633797.post@n2.nabble.com> And while I'm at it, is there a way to put a P3TXMON on both ANT1 and ANT2? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633797.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 27 09:30:59 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <1503837257127-7633797.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <1503837257127-7633797.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6cff05d7-54ed-7228-b023-3f1cb2bd6921@embarqmail.com> Bret, Yes, get a 2nd P3TXMON and get a switch to change the RJ-45 cable between the two sensors. The switch will likely be a manual one. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2017 8:34 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > And while I'm at it, is there a way to put a P3TXMON on both ANT1 and ANT2? From donnieput at gmail.com Sun Aug 27 10:41:48 2017 From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 07:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? Message-ID: There's a local ham who is also on JT65. He shows up as a big red splatter on the waterfall. I used the K3's notch filter to remove him. He's gone but now there's big red splatter to either side of the notch on the waterfall and two wide peaks on the spectrum. K3, iMic soundcard, or JT65 signal processing artifacts? 73 Don NA6Z From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Aug 27 11:00:46 2017 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:00:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rather than blame the K3, your sound card or ?artifacts?, I?m going to stick my neck out and suggest he?s one of those guys that thinks everything works better when you crank the gain all the up ? How far away from you is he? > On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Don Putnick wrote: > > There's a local ham who is also on JT65. He shows up as a big red splatter > on the waterfall. I used the K3's notch filter to remove him. He's gone but > now there's big red splatter to either side of the notch on the waterfall > and two wide peaks on the spectrum. K3, iMic soundcard, or JT65 signal > processing artifacts? > 73 Don NA6Z > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 27 11:55:53 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 08:55:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <6cff05d7-54ed-7228-b023-3f1cb2bd6921@embarqmail.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <1503837257127-7633797.post@n2.nabble.com> <6cff05d7-54ed-7228-b023-3f1cb2bd6921@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1503849353878-7633801.post@n2.nabble.com> I found a manual 4-way switch that should work nicely. Thanks Don. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633801.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wb5tuf at comcast.net Sun Aug 27 12:16:34 2017 From: wb5tuf at comcast.net (Glenn Anderson) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:16:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR Message-ID: Is it the same sensor that is used with the W2 power meter? If so, can one sensor drive both devices? Glenn WB5TUF -------- Original message --------From: MaverickNH Date: 8/27/17 10:55 (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR I found a manual 4-way switch that should work nicely. Thanks Don. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633801.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net From K2TK at ptd.net Sun Aug 27 12:21:38 2017 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:21:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <947F46A9-A5FD-4985-857B-1F09006A1F4D@reagan.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> <1503817594356-7633794.post@n2.nabble.com> <947F46A9-A5FD-4985-857B-1F09006A1F4D@reagan.com> Message-ID: And if your a typical ham curiosity will have you opening the minibox to see what makes it tick. Having done that the U box lid can be put on wrong so the labeling is incorrect. Learned that on my own.... 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/27/2017 5:36 AM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: > The antenna connects to the "load" connector. > > Harlan > K4HES > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 27, 2017, at 3:06 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >> >> Possible - which side should LOAD be connected...K3S or Antenna? >> Bret/N4SRN From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com Sun Aug 27 12:48:56 2017 From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] sensitivity comparision Message-ID: of the Elecraft K1 to the rest on the product line -- May You Live Long and Prosper.... May the Morse be with you..... From n1al at sonic.net Sun Aug 27 13:07:49 2017 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 10:07:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <20170827161829.5F2B2149AB8E@mailman.qth.net> References: <20170827161829.5F2B2149AB8E@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <9eef6257-cb11-7d45-718c-a930241f7afb@sonic.net> The currently-shipping sensors are the same for the W2 and P3 TXMON. If you have an older W2 sensor (I'm not sure of the S/N cutoff date), it will work, but the bandwidth may be limited on the waveform display. It can be modified by changing several capacitors. I don't see modification instructions on the web site but I think Elecraft Support should have the details. One sensor cannot drive both devices. You would need a 8P8C (RJ-45) mechanical switch for that. You could also use such a switch to select one of several sensors for the P3. This is the one I bought, but there are others: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AUB3SSA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Alan N1AL On 08/27/2017 09:16 AM, Glenn Anderson wrote: > Is it the same sensor that is used with the W2 power meter? If so, can one sensor drive both devices? > Glenn WB5TUF > -------- Original message --------From: MaverickNH Date: 8/27/17 10:55 (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR > I found a manual 4-way switch that should work nicely. Thanks Don. > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3TXMon-Wattage-SWR-tp7633727p7633801.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From donnieput at gmail.com Sun Aug 27 13:53:56 2017 From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 10:53:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He's really close - 2 miles. At that distance, any power would wipe out JT65. I'm venturing to guess it's DSP artifacts. The humps are too smooth and asymmetric to either side of the notch in the spectrum display. On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:00 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Rather than blame the K3, your sound card or ?artifacts?, I?m going to > stick my neck out and suggest he?s one of those guys that thinks everything > works better when you crank the gain all the up ? > > How far away from you is he? > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 27 14:07:20 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1D5874-9D6B-4928-BED6-19F43CBFF9C9@blomand.net> A couple of things to check. Be sure the Line Output from the radio is not set to high such that it is driven into distortion. Also check the computer CODEC gain isn't too high and it being driven into distortion. This is set in Windows Sound device Recording Level. Also make sure the ALC is ON and handling the signal. Perhaps some attention on the input of the receiver is in order. The receiver Noise Blanker should be OFF. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Don Putnick wrote: > > He's really close - 2 miles. At that distance, any power would wipe out > JT65. I'm venturing to guess it's DSP artifacts. The humps are too smooth > and asymmetric to either side of the notch in the spectrum display. > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:00 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN > wrote: > >> Rather than blame the K3, your sound card or ?artifacts?, I?m going to >> stick my neck out and suggest he?s one of those guys that thinks everything >> works better when you crank the gain all the up ? >> >> How far away from you is he? >> >> Grant NQ5T >> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Aug 27 14:11:25 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f86ce44-0b4c-ae29-6dfe-528ec4e08970@triconet.org> If it's on, turn off flatten and see what happens. Wes N7WS On 8/27/2017 7:41 AM, Don Putnick wrote: > There's a local ham who is also on JT65. He shows up as a big red splatter > on the waterfall. I used the K3's notch filter to remove him. He's gone but > now there's big red splatter to either side of the notch on the waterfall > and two wide peaks on the spectrum. K3, iMic soundcard, or JT65 signal > processing artifacts? > 73 Don NA6Z From k4to at arrl.net Sun Aug 27 14:14:41 2017 From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:14:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: <2D1D5874-9D6B-4928-BED6-19F43CBFF9C9@blomand.net> References: <2D1D5874-9D6B-4928-BED6-19F43CBFF9C9@blomand.net> Message-ID: <2A36BFBB-BC58-4DD1-B0AC-19CFB24A7AB4@arrl.net> Well, to state the obvious ? just transmit during the same time slot that the other station transmits?. K4TO > On Aug 27, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > A couple of things to check. Be sure the Line Output from the radio is not set to high such that it is driven into distortion. > > Also check the computer CODEC gain isn't too high and it being driven into distortion. This is set in Windows Sound device Recording Level. > > Also make sure the ALC is ON and handling the signal. Perhaps some attention on the input of the receiver is in order. > > The receiver Noise Blanker should be OFF. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Don Putnick wrote: >> >> He's really close - 2 miles. At that distance, any power would wipe out >> JT65. I'm venturing to guess it's DSP artifacts. The humps are too smooth >> and asymmetric to either side of the notch in the spectrum display. >> >> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:00 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN >> wrote: >> >>> Rather than blame the K3, your sound card or ?artifacts?, I?m going to >>> stick my neck out and suggest he?s one of those guys that thinks everything >>> works better when you crank the gain all the up ? >>> >>> How far away from you is he? >>> >>> Grant NQ5T >>> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 27 15:22:20 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:22:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09adf35c-0499-e0cd-5732-69d24024eee0@blomand.net> And he may be running a linear amplifier which is not tuned correctly.?? I find frequently that hams really do not know how to tune a linear amplifier and operate it so it is "linear".? The result is splatter among other artifacts. ?? As they say, there's more that 's wrong than correct. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/27/2017 10:00 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Rather than blame the K3, your sound card or ?artifacts?, I?m going to stick my neck out and suggest he?s one of those guys that thinks everything works better when you crank the gain all the up ? > > How far away from you is he? > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 27 18:36:00 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 15:36:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: <2D1D5874-9D6B-4928-BED6-19F43CBFF9C9@blomand.net> References: <2D1D5874-9D6B-4928-BED6-19F43CBFF9C9@blomand.net> Message-ID: All very good advice. BUT - how close is he?? How much bandwidth is he occupying?? How many dB down at how many Hz from the center of his signal? AND VERY important -- K1JT has repeatedly advised to NOT to any filtering ahead of WSJT-X, because the phase shift associated with the filter degrades decoding. I have locals in the range of 5-20 miles from me and both they and I are running power (me, a KPA500).? Depending on what direction each of our antennas are pointed, the "red" can be pretty wide. But that does NOT mean that WSJT-X cannot decode signals in that red zone!? Further, the colors in the waterfall are absolute level at input to WSJT-X. ANY signal will have sidebands. If, for example, he's 40 over S9 (not unusual at two miles), even the cleanest of radios with modulation will be S9 within 200-300 Hz of his signal. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/27/2017 11:07 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > A couple of things to check. Be sure the Line Output from the radio is not set to high such that it is driven into distortion. > > Also check the computer CODEC gain isn't too high and it being driven into distortion. This is set in Windows Sound device Recording Level. > > Also make sure the ALC is ON and handling the signal. Perhaps some attention on the input of the receiver is in order. > > The receiver Noise Blanker should be OFF. From dhblake at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 18:49:35 2017 From: dhblake at yahoo.com (David Blake) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 22:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Notch filter vs JT65? In-Reply-To: References: <2D1D5874-9D6B-4928-BED6-19F43CBFF9C9@blomand.net> Message-ID: <645945530.1022547.1503874175812@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Jim, very strong signals will wash out a waterfall but have very little effect on decodes.? I have decoded extremely weak signals only a fewHz away from strong signals.? I leave filters at 2700hz and NEVER use anotch filter on any WSJT modes.? 73, Dave N4DB On Sunday, August 27, 2017, 6:41:03 PM EDT, Jim Brown wrote: All very good advice. BUT - how close is he?? How much bandwidth is he occupying?? How many dB down at how many Hz from the center of his signal? AND VERY important -- K1JT has repeatedly advised to NOT to any filtering ahead of WSJT-X, because the phase shift associated with the filter degrades decoding. I have locals in the range of 5-20 miles from me and both they and I are running power (me, a KPA500).? Depending on what direction each of our antennas are pointed, the "red" can be pretty wide. But that does NOT mean that WSJT-X cannot decode signals in that red zone!? Further, the colors in the waterfall are absolute level at input to WSJT-X. ANY signal will have sidebands. If, for example, he's 40 over S9 (not unusual at two miles), even the cleanest of radios with modulation will be S9 within 200-300 Hz of his signal. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/27/2017 11:07 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > A couple of things to check. Be sure the Line Output from the radio is not set to high such that it is driven into distortion. > > Also check the computer CODEC gain isn't too high and it being driven into distortion. This is set in Windows Sound device Recording Level. > > Also make sure the ALC is ON and handling the signal. Perhaps some attention on the input of the receiver is in order. > > The receiver Noise Blanker should be OFF. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dhblake at yahoo.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Aug 27 18:56:11 2017 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 18:56:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> <1503817594356-7633794.post@n2.nabble.com> <947F46A9-A5FD-4985-857B-1F09006A1F4D@reagan.com> Message-ID: <60A72E5F-4946-440B-869E-C98CEA39DB38@widomaker.com> I suggested to Elecraft as soon as I got mine, that the label should be on the other part of the case. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Bob via Elecraft wrote: > > And if your a typical ham curiosity will have you opening the minibox to see what makes it tick. Having done that the U box lid can be put on wrong so the labeling is incorrect. > > Learned that on my own.... > > 73, > Bob > K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR > > >> On 8/27/2017 5:36 AM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: >> The antenna connects to the "load" connector. >> Harlan >> K4HES >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 3:06 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >>> >>> Possible - which side should LOAD be connected...K3S or Antenna? >>> Bret/N4SRN > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 27 19:17:51 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 19:17:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3TXMon Wattage/SWR In-Reply-To: <60A72E5F-4946-440B-869E-C98CEA39DB38@widomaker.com> References: <1503569260352-7633727.post@n2.nabble.com> <14ee1c0e-c2ee-dcd9-3cf9-20121f460f09@sonic.net> <1503817594356-7633794.post@n2.nabble.com> <947F46A9-A5FD-4985-857B-1F09006A1F4D@reagan.com> <60A72E5F-4946-440B-869E-C98CEA39DB38@widomaker.com> Message-ID: I suggest that you label the ends with extra labels close to the SO-239 jacks with "in" and "out" or something else meaningful to you before opening the box. A labeler does a nice job, but a Sharpie marker will be effective as well. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2017 6:56 PM, Nr4c wrote: > I suggested to Elecraft as soon as I got mine, that the label should be on the other part of the case. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 27 21:17:02 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 20:17:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S ALC Message-ID: <2332cd8f-d5b3-12d1-d9b1-0d7c8e8d090e@blomand.net> While mentioned earlier, the effort to set the correct audio level such that the ALC bargraph shows 4 bars solid and the 5th bar blinking has been a challenge to many.? I noted today that did happen after I changed a few things around at my station.? Further investigation concluded that the audio tone used during the TUNE routine in WSJT-X and FT-8 mode was 1500 Hz.?? Changing this to a lower frequency, I actually used 1490, the effect was not observed. I attribute this observation at 1500 Hz to be some what of a cyclic event between the ALC display timing in the K3S and the audio frequency.? I'd suggest if you struggle to set the levels for 4 bars solid on and the 5th blinking, check the audio tone frequency and move it a few Hz up or down. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Aug 27 21:37:58 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 18:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S ALC In-Reply-To: <2332cd8f-d5b3-12d1-d9b1-0d7c8e8d090e@blomand.net> References: <2332cd8f-d5b3-12d1-d9b1-0d7c8e8d090e@blomand.net> Message-ID: <37597fb9-8743-0ce8-2161-6b499dbaee32@triconet.org> This has already been discussed and you were part of the discussion. http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Odd-ALC-behavior-td7633052.html Wes N7WS On 8/27/2017 6:17 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > While mentioned earlier, the effort to set the correct audio level such that > the ALC bargraph shows 4 bars solid and the 5th bar blinking has been a > challenge to many. I noted today that did happen after I changed a few things > around at my station. Further investigation concluded that the audio tone used > during the TUNE routine in WSJT-X and FT-8 mode was 1500 Hz. Changing this > to a lower frequency, I actually used 1490, the effect was not observed. > > I attribute this observation at 1500 Hz to be some what of a cyclic event > between the ALC display timing in the K3S and the audio frequency. I'd > suggest if you struggle to set the levels for 4 bars solid on and the 5th > blinking, check the audio tone frequency and move it a few Hz up or down. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > K3S s/n 10163 From michkhol at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 10:42:21 2017 From: michkhol at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 roofing flters vs IC-7300 In-Reply-To: <2332cd8f-d5b3-12d1-d9b1-0d7c8e8d090e@blomand.net> References: <2332cd8f-d5b3-12d1-d9b1-0d7c8e8d090e@blomand.net> Message-ID: <1524713559.2185965.1503931341087@mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I have a KX3 with roofing filters installed. I also have an IC-7300. Will KX3 have an advantage on receive in noisy environment and what is the best way to use them (SSB and CW)? Thanks!MikeAB3VN From Hamshack at N4ST.com Mon Aug 28 12:07:35 2017 From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S ALC In-Reply-To: <37597fb9-8743-0ce8-2161-6b499dbaee32@triconet.org> References: <2332cd8f-d5b3-12d1-d9b1-0d7c8e8d090e@blomand.net> <37597fb9-8743-0ce8-2161-6b499dbaee32@triconet.org> Message-ID: <055c01d32017$c868e2d0$593aa870$@N4ST.com> Thus, the comment, "As mentioned earlier" _________ Jim - N4ST -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 21:38 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S ALC This has already been discussed and you were part of the discussion. http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Odd-ALC-behavior-td7633052.html Wes N7WS From pincon at erols.com Mon Aug 28 13:40:52 2017 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 roofing flters vs IC-7300 In-Reply-To: <1524713559.2185965.1503931341087@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2332cd8f-d5b3-12d1-d9b1-0d7c8e8d090e@blomand.net> <1524713559.2185965.1503931341087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005d01d32024$cea815f0$6bf841d0$@erols.com> Sometimes C -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike via Elecraft Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 10:42 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 roofing flters vs IC-7300 Hi guys, I have a KX3 with roofing filters installed. I also have an IC-7300. Will KX3 have an advantage on receive in noisy environment and what is the best way to use them (SSB and CW)? Thanks!MikeAB3VN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From kf6qnc at arrl.net Mon Aug 28 14:26:45 2017 From: kf6qnc at arrl.net (Kurt) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:26:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1503944805049-7633820.post@n2.nabble.com> Please add me to this list as well. I have some 'remoted' KX-3s that are connected to Raspberry Pis. I use VNC to access Fldigi running on the Pis. I have no way to update the firmware or, more importantly, save and restore the config data for the KX-3s. I run Raspbian Jessie. Thanks for considering this Elecraft. kk -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-Linux-Utilities-for-Raspberry-Pi-tp7616014p7633820.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w6jhb at me.com Mon Aug 28 14:39:08 2017 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:39:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <1503944805049-7633820.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1503944805049-7633820.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2A23804A-3CC4-4F3B-B405-99FB90EFDA3C@me.com> I?ll do the ?me too? thing and put in my wish for an ARM-based version of the utilities. I run my KX3 and KX2 with RPi 3 machines and it is a bit of a pain to boot up a Windows machine, wait seemingly forever to have it finish up it?s gazillion patches and fixes, just to do a quick firmware refresh. Please Elecraft - there are a LOT of Raspberry Pi / Elecraft users out there! :-) Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Kurt wrote: > > Please add me to this list as well. > I have some 'remoted' KX-3s that are connected to Raspberry Pis. I use VNC > to access Fldigi running on the Pis. I have no way to update the firmware > or, more importantly, save and restore the config data for the KX-3s. > I run Raspbian Jessie. > Thanks for considering this Elecraft. > kk > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-Linux-Utilities-for-Raspberry-Pi-tp7616014p7633820.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Aug 28 15:36:10 2017 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:36:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Lead acid battery voltages, and battery maintainers Message-ID: There was a recent thread about lead acid battery voltages relating to K type radio usage. I wanted to make mention that I had a lead acid battery last in one of my cars for 12 years without ever failing, and then I carelessly let it freeze up one harsh Minnesota winter. I always wondered why it lasted when others seldom go more than four years. So, I bought some digital voltage displays on eBay awhile ago, and I install them portably in each vehicle with a battery including tractors, etc. I do this with an accessory plug wherever possible, to study what the charging circuit is doing to the battery. I have found some very interesting things happening. For example, my recently new Dodge Caravan runs around the middle of 14 volts. In my tractor, I have to keep the voltage below the gassing point by having the lights on. I was replacing batteries in the tractor quite often. The list goes on, but is of lessor significance. A note about battery maintainers; I have various types and brands. I have automatic charger/maintainers with their own quirks. I bought some maintainers a few years ago from a popular supplier, and they were not automatic. They were maintainers, not chargers. I ruined two batteries with them before I made them dependable. In the first battery failure, they had an electrolytic cap that was not rated high enough for peak voltage. It would fail and cause it?s circuitry to damage the battery. After I found the cause, I replaced the caps in all. The second battery failure was due to a circuit breaker tripping for who knows why. It went undiscovered for too long. The maintainer had a LED that was powered from current flowing in the circuit, now from the battery. Though slight, the drain took down the battery. I placed a diode in line with the lead to the battery in each to prevent current flowing backward. It causes a drop in voltage, but they were a bit high to begin with. They have since been dependable for a long time. FWIW, Rich, n0ce From egrimseid at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 15:45:22 2017 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:45:22 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <2A23804A-3CC4-4F3B-B405-99FB90EFDA3C@me.com> References: <1503944805049-7633820.post@n2.nabble.com> <2A23804A-3CC4-4F3B-B405-99FB90EFDA3C@me.com> Message-ID: Put me on the list also. I tend to use the pi more and more for my radio related computing. Like programming radios. 73 LA4TTA Erlend 2017-08-28 20:39 GMT+02:00 James Bennett : > I?ll do the ?me too? thing and put in my wish for an ARM-based version of > the utilities. I run my KX3 and KX2 with RPi 3 machines and it is a bit of > a pain to boot up a Windows machine, wait seemingly forever to have it > finish up it?s gazillion patches and fixes, just to do a quick firmware > refresh. > > Please Elecraft - there are a LOT of Raspberry Pi / Elecraft users out > there! :-) > > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Kurt wrote: > > > > Please add me to this list as well. > > I have some 'remoted' KX-3s that are connected to Raspberry Pis. I use > VNC > > to access Fldigi running on the Pis. I have no way to update the firmware > > or, more importantly, save and restore the config data for the KX-3s. > > I run Raspbian Jessie. > > Thanks for considering this Elecraft. > > kk > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/KX3-PX3-Linux-Utilities-for-Raspberry-Pi-tp7616014p7633820.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com > -- -- Erlend From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Aug 28 18:28:53 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:28:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you for the enthusiastic response to the KPA1500! Message-ID: As you probably know, we recently opened up KPA1500 ordering. On behalf of our staff, I'd to thank all of our customers (new and existing) for the amazing response. Every day between now and first shipment will be dedicated to finalizing the firmware and owner?s manual. We?ll also continuing our rigorous testing (we had to beef up the 220 VAC circuit for our new burn-in rack), not to mention fielding input from our field testers. The KPA1500?s I/O interfaces and remote-control command set are a superset of the KPA500?s, so those who are upgrading should have no issues. If you?re a hardware or software developer, we?ll be happy to send you all of the relevant documentation. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6tv at arrl.net Mon Aug 28 18:58:35 2017 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:58:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] FS: Y-BOX (gold) by N6TV $129 + free domestic shipping Message-ID: I have one refurbished "original gold" Y-BOX (a unique 4-way splitter and breakout box for the Elecraft K3/K3S AUX/ACC port) for sale for $129 including free domestic shipping. I will also ship it internationally for a slightly discounted shipping cost (my cost less $6.50). In the same box, I can also include a new and unused 2.5 ft (0.75 m) M-M DE-15 cable with all 15 pins wired for an additional $10. For a stock photo of the original Y-BOX with the gold-colored RCA connectors, please see: http://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/Y-BOX/Photos/N4300960.JPG If you miss out on this one, brand new Y-BOXs with the new silver-colored RCA connectors are available at the regular price of $139 + shipping. There is no difference in performance between these units and the older ones. Please see my web site for photos, details, sample applications and ordering info.: https://bit.ly/Y-BOX Thanks! 73, Bob, N6TV From dave at nk7z.net Mon Aug 28 18:59:30 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:59:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you for the enthusiastic response to the KPA1500! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I develop software, will you send me a free amp? :) 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/28/2017 03:28 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > As you probably know, we recently opened up KPA1500 ordering. On behalf of our staff, I'd to thank all of our customers (new and existing) for the amazing response. > > Every day between now and first shipment will be dedicated to finalizing the firmware and owner?s manual. We?ll also continuing our rigorous testing (we had to beef up the 220 VAC circuit for our new burn-in rack), not to mention fielding input from our field testers. > > The KPA1500?s I/O interfaces and remote-control command set are a superset of the KPA500?s, so those who are upgrading should have no issues. If you?re a hardware or software developer, we?ll be happy to send you all of the relevant documentation. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Aug 28 19:10:30 2017 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:10:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you for the enthusiastic response to the KPA1500! Message-ID: <240852b1fc8200a1868b16040ceba3f4@smtp.videotron.ca> Hey Buddy, I was here first...? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Dave Cole Date: 2017-08-28 6:59 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thank you for the enthusiastic response to the KPA1500! If I develop software, will you send me a free amp?? :) 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/28/2017 03:28 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > As you probably know, we recently opened up KPA1500 ordering. On behalf of our staff, I'd to thank all of our customers (new and existing) for the amazing response. > > Every day between now and first shipment will be dedicated to finalizing the firmware and owner?s manual. We?ll also continuing our rigorous testing (we had to beef up the 220 VAC circuit for our new burn-in rack), not to mention fielding input from our field testers. > > The KPA1500?s I/O interfaces and remote-control command set are a superset of the KPA500?s, so those who are upgrading should have no issues. If you?re a hardware or software developer, we?ll be happy to send you all of the relevant documentation. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From n6tv at arrl.net Mon Aug 28 19:55:33 2017 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 16:55:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] FS: Y-BOX (gold) by N6TV $129 + free domestic shipping Message-ID: The one refurbished Y-BOX has sold. Please order via the web site if you'd like me to build you a brand new one. Thanks. 73, Bob, N6TV https://bit.ly/Y-BOX On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote: > I have one refurbished "original gold" Y-BOX (a unique 4-way splitter and > breakout box for the Elecraft K3/K3S AUX/ACC port) for sale for $129 > including free domestic shipping. I will also ship it internationally for > a slightly discounted shipping cost (my cost less $6.50). > > In the same box, I can also include a new and unused 2.5 ft (0.75 m) M-M > DE-15 cable with all 15 pins wired for an additional $10. > > For a stock photo of the original Y-BOX with the gold-colored RCA > connectors, please see: > > http://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/Y-BOX/Photos/N4300960.JPG > > > If you miss out on this one, brand new Y-BOXs with the new silver-colored > RCA connectors are available at the regular price of $139 + shipping. > There is no difference in performance between these units and the older > ones. > > Please see my web site for photos, details, sample applications and > ordering info.: > > https://bit.ly/Y-BOX > > > Thanks! > > 73, > Bob, N6TV > From ldz at chopcat.co.uk Tue Aug 29 03:37:51 2017 From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (Trevor Clapp) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 08:37:51 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Set Max Power Limit K3S Message-ID: <9BDB8202-591F-4D66-9314-54475E9E959A@chopcat.co.uk> I have been using the set power per band and locking it but was wondering, for an up coming club field day, if anyone knows a way of setting the max power out but still being able to adjust down from that point. I am using the K3S with an Expert 1.3 so would like to set a limit for club use so no one blows the Expert up but can vary the power out. The K3S has the 100w PA in it so I suppose one way would be to turn that off? Any suggestions would be welcome. Cheers Trevor M?TDZ From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 29 12:22:06 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 09:22:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for new photos showing portable operation/gear/antennas Message-ID: Hi all, We?re looking for photos of you, your Elecraft portable gear, and great outdoor locations to use in an upcoming newsletter article. We might also use them on our website or in promotional literature. If you have photos you?d like to share, please send them to me directly. I can?t guarantee they?ll be used now; possibly later. Please include one sentence that could be used as a caption. Extra points for humor or lessons learned. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 29 17:50:01 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 14:50:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks for all the portable operation photos so far In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F11DEDD-E3C0-4F6B-B503-A67E658844D3@elecraft.com> I?ve received so many great photos already that I won?t be able to thank everyone personally. But keep ?em coming. Clearly some folks had a lot more fun than I did this summer. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > We?re looking for photos of you, your Elecraft portable gear, and great outdoor locations to use in an upcoming newsletter article. We might also use them on our website or in promotional literature. > > If you have photos you?d like to share, please send them to me directly. I can?t guarantee they?ll be used now; possibly later. > > Please include one sentence that could be used as a caption. Extra points for humor or lessons learned. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > From kc6cnn at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 18:58:52 2017 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 15:58:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500F / KAT500F In-Reply-To: <1502036755454-7633148.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1501029159022-7632688.post@n2.nabble.com> <1502036755454-7633148.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1504047532113-7633833.post@n2.nabble.com> Items have been sold. Thank you. ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/For-Sale-KPA500F-KAT500F-tp7632688p7633833.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc6cnn at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 19:03:08 2017 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 16:03:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Drake Station For Sale Message-ID: <1504047788847-7633834.post@n2.nabble.com> I am selling my Drake TR-4 Transceiver, Matching Power supply and speaker, and drake w-4 watt meter, and Matching MN-2000 antenna tuner, and a D-104 microphone. Station works good, new tx relay just installed. Asking $700 for all. Gerald ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Drake-Station-For-Sale-tp7633834.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 29 21:45:02 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 18:45:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location ever. Here?s a link to his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all at the same time! Wayne N6KR * * * Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island". 73, Mike KM6AB From kkinderen at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 21:56:15 2017 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:56:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Rocks on the Air. Nice! Only thing better would be if Mike got up and pulled a fish off a line hanging from the fiberglass mast. That would complete the picture. 73, Kev K4VD On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location > ever. Here?s a link to his video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 > > Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all > at the same time! > > Wayne > N6KR > > * * * > > Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m > end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft > fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns > above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of > the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could > simply be " Elecraft Island". > > 73, > > Mike KM6AB > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 29 22:53:02 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 19:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <104865CA-6C01-4024-8F7B-FECC003115DD@elecraft.com> I love it. Proof at last of the mystical connection between ham radio and fishing. Imagine calling CQ and having a trout jump into your boat. Wayne > On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > > Rocks on the Air. Nice! Only thing better would be if Mike got up and > pulled a fish off a line hanging from the fiberglass mast. That would > complete the picture. > > 73, > Kev K4VD > > > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location >> ever. Here?s a link to his video: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 >> >> Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all >> at the same time! >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> * * * >> >> Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m >> end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft >> fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns >> above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of >> the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could >> simply be " Elecraft Island". >> >> 73, >> >> Mike KM6AB >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Aug 29 23:30:21 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 20:30:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: <104865CA-6C01-4024-8F7B-FECC003115DD@elecraft.com> References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> <104865CA-6C01-4024-8F7B-FECC003115DD@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <456a711c-69e1-23eb-ea65-92019a049742@foothill.net> They taught us in survival and jump school ... Never try to catch a fish with your hands.? You'll expend way more calories than you'll get from the fish, which won't work anyway, and you'll just annoy the fish.? They never said, "Don't try and catch the fish with a KX3 and your antenna." 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/29/2017 7:53 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I love it. Proof at last of the mystical connection between ham radio and fishing. > > Imagine calling CQ and having a trout jump into your boat. > > Wayne > > >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: >> >> Rocks on the Air. Nice! Only thing better would be if Mike got up and >> pulled a fish off a line hanging from the fiberglass mast. That would >> complete the picture. >> >> 73, >> Kev K4VD >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >>> Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location >>> ever. Here?s a link to his video: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 >>> >>> Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all >>> at the same time! >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m >>> end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft >>> fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns >>> above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of >>> the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could >>> simply be " Elecraft Island". >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Mike KM6AB >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kkinderen at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From billblomgren at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 06:21:34 2017 From: billblomgren at yahoo.com (Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz)) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <653408811.247084.1504088494974@mail.yahoo.com> Truly a neat location!? The place I went for the eclipse was no where near as cool... a boat landing at the Congaree river..? but there were pump up boats going out with dogs and the like to visit vegetation islands in the river.. I just stayed on shore because my back and small boats do not do well together... ? From: "Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3]" To: Elecraft Reflector ; "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:45 PM Subject: [KX3] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location ever. Here?s a link to his video: ? ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all at the same time! Wayne N6KR * * * Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island". 73, Mike KM6AB ------------------------------------ Posted by: Wayne Burdick ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: ? ? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KX3/ <*> Your email settings: ? ? Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: ? ? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KX3/join ? ? (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: ? ? KX3-digest at yahoogroups.com ? ? KX3-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ? ? KX3-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: ? ? https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 06:48:45 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:48:45 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <773fbc76-09e0-50a7-ce9b-507b10c5f3e8@gmail.com> The only improvement I would make is salt water for better ground conductivity. ...And make it count as a new DXCC country! 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 30 Aug 2017 04:45, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating > location ever. Here?s a link to his video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 > > Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH > all at the same time! > > Wayne N6KR > > * * * > > Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a > 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging > from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in > the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the > video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the > drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island". > > 73, > > Mike KM6AB > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k2vco.vic at gmail.com > From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Wed Aug 30 07:01:39 2017 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:01:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2b956eff-9db9-9a5a-308e-116206ddfd12@hvc.rr.com> "Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale........" Tom - KB2SMS KX2 #01927 On 08/29/2017 09:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location ever. Here?s a link to his video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 > > Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all at the same time! > > Wayne > N6KR > > * * * > > Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island". > > 73, > > Mike KM6AB > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tommy58 at hvc.rr.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Wed Aug 30 07:16:36 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:16:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS Message-ID: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is rated 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same input the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W and the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the increase in watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? BRET/N4SRN -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 30 07:42:37 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> Bret, The power rating of a transmitter is the output power, not the input draw. If the overall efficiency is something like 33% (quite likely), then the input draw will 3 times the output power. The efficiency of an RF output stage alone is typically about 50%, but there are other circuits in the transmit section that must be added and brings the overall efficiency of the transceiver down even more. So yes, the input power required is about 3 times the output power. A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and that is 1800 watts input. The K3 will need about 300 watts additional. That means your UPS should be rated at least 2500 watts, but 3000 would be more reasonable because it seems you have other gear in the ham station that needs to be supported as well. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2017 7:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is rated > 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same input > the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the > baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W and > the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. > > I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for > use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so > from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the increase in > watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? From kq5stom at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 07:50:42 2017 From: kq5stom at gmail.com (KQ5S-Tom) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 06:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1903387D-545A-4EE9-B451-D296DDC6F114@gmail.com> Something is not right. If your UPS is showing 350 with the K3S at idle and over 900 on transmit that is a difference of close to 600. The K3S draws 17-22 amps at full key down and 100 watts. Assume 20 amps at 13.8V. That is only 276. You are showing double that. --------- KQ5S-Tom > On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > > As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is rated > 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same input > the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the > baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W and > the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. > > I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for > use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so > from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the increase in > watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? > > BRET/N4SRN > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kq5stom at gmail.com From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Wed Aug 30 08:00:36 2017 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:00:36 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <138C31F4-EC57-4796-8FEE-FFD899280208@sumaq.jp> 100W of output power normally needs 200W of input power. My K3 (not S) with sub-RX and other options draws around 18A from DC13.8V power supply on RTTY. On CW or SSB, the DC current goes rapidly up and down according to the modulation. I guess your UPS does not assume its output current going up and down rapidly, so its high current alarm is triggered by the rapidly changing output current. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2017/08/30 20:16?MaverickNH ????? > > As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is rated > 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same input > the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the > baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W and > the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. > > I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for > use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so > from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the increase in > watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? > > BRET/N4SRN > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp From kq5stom at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 08:16:06 2017 From: kq5stom at gmail.com (KQ5S-Tom) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <6DF51B64-4373-4747-828E-B2C39D8FAB48@gmail.com> 3000W at 120V is 25 amps. He had better have a dedicate circuit. I believe if I had to run a dedicated circuit I would run a 220 circuit for the amp and put everything else on the UPS. --------- KQ5S-Tom > On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bret, > > The power rating of a transmitter is the output power, not the input draw. > > If the overall efficiency is something like 33% (quite likely), then the input draw will 3 times the output power. > The efficiency of an RF output stage alone is typically about 50%, but there are other circuits in the transmit section that must be added and brings the overall efficiency of the transceiver down even more. > So yes, the input power required is about 3 times the output power. > > A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and that is 1800 watts input. The K3 will need about 300 watts additional. > That means your UPS should be rated at least 2500 watts, but 3000 would be more reasonable because it seems you have other gear in the ham station that needs to be supported as well. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/30/2017 7:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >> As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is rated >> 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same input >> the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the >> baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W and >> the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. >> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for >> use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so >> from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the increase in >> watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kq5stom at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 30 08:28:08 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:28:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <6DF51B64-4373-4747-828E-B2C39D8FAB48@gmail.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> <6DF51B64-4373-4747-828E-B2C39D8FAB48@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5cc39a52-029c-ddd2-f71d-ab1735b8712b@embarqmail.com> Tom, That 3000 watts I mentioned is for everything in the station. The KPA500 alone needs 120 volts at about 13 amps, maybe peaking to something greater. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2017 8:16 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: > 3000W at 120V is 25 amps. He had better have a dedicate circuit. I believe if I had to run a dedicated circuit I would run a 220 circuit for the amp and put everything else on the UPS. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Aug 30 08:33:49 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:33:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <1903387D-545A-4EE9-B451-D296DDC6F114@gmail.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1903387D-545A-4EE9-B451-D296DDC6F114@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32dad3ef-a048-c865-bad0-5fb545e9dc62@blomand.net> Tom, Bret ? et al; I agree with you ........... something is not right.??? I see my K3S draws about 1.2 amps DC on receive.? at 1.38 volts that's about 17 watts.? If my supply is only 50% efficient, that's 35 watts.?? I can't understand where the 350 watts would be used unless other equipment is being used.?? And I agree that transmit is 20 amps at 13.8 volts or 276 watts.? Again with a supply that is 50% efficient, that is only 550 watts or so. Certainly no where near the "over 900 W". Perhaps the computer, monitor,? lamp, printer and other ancillary equipment is part of the load on the UPS.? It is more likely the inductive load on the UPS is creating an issue with the power output indication.? Although that doesn't explain the UPS shut down or fold back in power.??? One other issue regarding the UPS, is the output Pure Sine Wave, Modified Sine Wave or Square Wave? ? This may have a significant impact on its function with various types of loads. One way to evaluate the indication of the UPS output is to use an incandescent bulb of 150 to 300 watts.? They are resistive and reasonably accurate with regard to power consumption.? Don't use any of the bulbs which are "equivalent" rated ones.?? I use this method as a load when I've had to repair any of my DC to AC inverters. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/30/2017 6:50 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: > Something is not right. If your UPS is showing 350 with the K3S at idle and over 900 on transmit that is a difference of close to 600. The K3S draws 17-22 amps at full key down and 100 watts. Assume 20 amps at 13.8V. That is only 276. You are showing double that. > > --------- > KQ5S-Tom > > > > >> On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >> >> As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is rated >> 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same input >> the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the >> baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W and >> the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. >> >> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for >> use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so >> from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the increase in >> watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? >> >> BRET/N4SRN >> >> >> >> -- From kq5stom at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 08:38:14 2017 From: kq5stom at gmail.com (KQ5S-Tom) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:38:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <5cc39a52-029c-ddd2-f71d-ab1735b8712b@embarqmail.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> <6DF51B64-4373-4747-828E-B2C39D8FAB48@gmail.com> <5cc39a52-029c-ddd2-f71d-ab1735b8712b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Understood but I believe he is talking about running everything in the shack off the UPS so if he buys a 2500-3000 UPS he will need a dedicated circuit unless he already has one. No telling what else is on the circuit in the shack if it is not dedicated. Not sure what the intent is of running the amp off of a UPS. You will not get much operating time, matter of minutes, so maybe it is for surge protection. ??? Tom > On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:28 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Tom, > > That 3000 watts I mentioned is for everything in the station. > The KPA500 alone needs 120 volts at about 13 amps, maybe peaking to something greater. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/30/2017 8:16 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: >> 3000W at 120V is 25 amps. He had better have a dedicate circuit. I believe if I had to run a dedicated circuit I would run a 220 circuit for the amp and put everything else on the UPS. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kq5stom at gmail.com From kq5stom at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 08:44:02 2017 From: kq5stom at gmail.com (KQ5S-Tom) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:44:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <32dad3ef-a048-c865-bad0-5fb545e9dc62@blomand.net> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1903387D-545A-4EE9-B451-D296DDC6F114@gmail.com> <32dad3ef-a048-c865-bad0-5fb545e9dc62@blomand.net> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I did not consider the efficiency of the power supply. The 600W was the difference between his shack load with the receiver in standby and in full transmit. So as you state, if the power supply is only 50% efficient, then 276W times 2 would be close to the 600W difference. ??? Tom > On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:33 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Tom, Bret et al; > > I agree with you ........... something is not right. I see my K3S draws about 1.2 amps DC on receive. at 1.38 volts that's about 17 watts. If my supply is only 50% efficient, that's 35 watts. I can't understand where the 350 watts would be used unless other equipment is being used. And I agree that transmit is 20 amps at 13.8 volts or 276 watts. Again with a supply that is 50% efficient, that is only 550 watts or so. Certainly no where near the "over 900 W". > > Perhaps the computer, monitor, lamp, printer and other ancillary equipment is part of the load on the UPS. It is more likely the inductive load on the UPS is creating an issue with the power output indication. Although that doesn't explain the UPS shut down or fold back in power. One other issue regarding the UPS, is the output Pure Sine Wave, Modified Sine Wave or Square Wave? This may have a significant impact on its function with various types of loads. > > One way to evaluate the indication of the UPS output is to use an incandescent bulb of 150 to 300 watts. They are resistive and reasonably accurate with regard to power consumption. Don't use any of the bulbs which are "equivalent" rated ones. I use this method as a load when I've had to repair any of my DC to AC inverters. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/30/2017 6:50 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: >> Something is not right. If your UPS is showing 350 with the K3S at idle and over 900 on transmit that is a difference of close to 600. The K3S draws 17-22 amps at full key down and 100 watts. Assume 20 amps at 13.8V. That is only 276. You are showing double that. >> >> --------- >> KQ5S-Tom >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >>> >>> As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is rated >>> 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same input >>> the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the >>> baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W and >>> the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. >>> >>> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for >>> use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so >>> from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the increase in >>> watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? >>> >>> BRET/N4SRN >>> >>> >>> >>> -- > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kq5stom at gmail.com From K8UT at charter.net Wed Aug 30 09:02:53 2017 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry Gauthier (K8UT)) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com><1903387D-545A-4EE9-B451-D296DDC6F114@gmail.com><32dad3ef-a048-c865-bad0-5fb545e9dc62@blomand.net> Message-ID: <093BBF5F238544779E563E415FE830CE@home.dns> Put the radio and other shack items on the 2.2kw UPs. Buy a separate 220 volt UPS for the amplifier. -larry (K8UT) -----Original Message----- From: KQ5S-Tom Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:44 AM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS Hi Bob, I did not consider the efficiency of the power supply. The 600W was the difference between his shack load with the receiver in standby and in full transmit. So as you state, if the power supply is only 50% efficient, then 276W times 2 would be close to the 600W difference. ??? Tom > On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:33 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Tom, Bret et al; > > I agree with you ........... something is not right. I see my K3S draws > about 1.2 amps DC on receive. at 1.38 volts that's about 17 watts. If my > supply is only 50% efficient, that's 35 watts. I can't understand where > the 350 watts would be used unless other equipment is being used. And I > agree that transmit is 20 amps at 13.8 volts or 276 watts. Again with a > supply that is 50% efficient, that is only 550 watts or so. Certainly no > where near the "over 900 W". > > Perhaps the computer, monitor, lamp, printer and other ancillary > equipment is part of the load on the UPS. It is more likely the inductive > load on the UPS is creating an issue with the power output indication. > Although that doesn't explain the UPS shut down or fold back in power. > One other issue regarding the UPS, is the output Pure Sine Wave, Modified > Sine Wave or Square Wave? This may have a significant impact on its > function with various types of loads. > > One way to evaluate the indication of the UPS output is to use an > incandescent bulb of 150 to 300 watts. They are resistive and reasonably > accurate with regard to power consumption. Don't use any of the bulbs > which are "equivalent" rated ones. I use this method as a load when I've > had to repair any of my DC to AC inverters. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/30/2017 6:50 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: >> Something is not right. If your UPS is showing 350 with the K3S at idle >> and over 900 on transmit that is a difference of close to 600. The K3S >> draws 17-22 amps at full key down and 100 watts. Assume 20 amps at >> 13.8V. That is only 276. You are showing double that. >> >> --------- >> KQ5S-Tom >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >>> >>> As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is >>> rated >>> 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on the same >>> input >>> the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. Typically, the >>> baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over 900W with TX at 100W >>> and >>> the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. >>> >>> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, >>> for >>> use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. so >>> from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this work or is the >>> increase in >>> watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? >>> >>> BRET/N4SRN >>> >>> >>> >>> -- > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kq5stom at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k8ut at charter.net From alaparos at taconic.net Wed Aug 30 10:30:45 2017 From: alaparos at taconic.net (Gary Ferdinand) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:30:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KPA500/KAT500 Pair, Acom 2000A Message-ID: <8E9741C6-0E15-4581-9226-AC1BFB703584@taconic.net> I?m selling this equipment now because it is surplus to my needs and I plan on moving. Less boxes to pack. Feel free to forward this email. Contact me directly please at: gary at w2cs dot net 73/Gary W2CS North Chatham, NY For Sale: KPA500 and KAT500 pair. Excellent condition. Sold as a pair. ? $2000 plus shipping ALSO: Acom 2000A amplifier. Excellent condition. Full output power. New, color screen, control box. - $3500 plus shipping. From joseph.durnal at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 11:19:54 2017 From: joseph.durnal at gmail.com (Joseph M. Durnal) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:19:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A Message-ID: Elecraft Operators, I have been off the HF airwaves for several years. Those darned antenna restrictions really take the fun out of it. But after helping staff the K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really been itching to get back on the air from home. I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R From bartholdl at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:26:27 2017 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:26:27 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <02cf01d321a4$5a0ab280$0e201780$@com> > A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and that is 1800 watts input. I would think this depends on the mode you operate in? For Field Day, I operated my KPA500 (SSB only) with a 1000 watt inverter, without any issues the whole weekend. http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/power-inverters/prowatt-sw.aspx Barthold -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:43 AM To: MaverickNH; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS Bret, The power rating of a transmitter is the output power, not the input draw. If the overall efficiency is something like 33% (quite likely), then the input draw will 3 times the output power. The efficiency of an RF output stage alone is typically about 50%, but there are other circuits in the transmit section that must be added and brings the overall efficiency of the transceiver down even more. So yes, the input power required is about 3 times the output power. A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and that is 1800 watts input. The K3 will need about 300 watts additional. That means your UPS should be rated at least 2500 watts, but 3000 would be more reasonable because it seems you have other gear in the ham station that needs to be supported as well. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2017 7:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is > rated 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on > the same input the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. > Typically, the baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over > 900W with TX at 100W and the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't 100W. > > I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W > higher, for use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another > forum member. so from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this > work or is the increase in watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bartholdl at yahoo.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed Aug 30 11:31:52 2017 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:31:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ad31f14-05d1-98ef-72f2-507c1df5d6e5@n4rp.com> If the cable run(s) between the K3 & the antenna(s) is fairly short, it'd be a great choice.? If you've got long runs, being able to tune at the antenna might work better, but might also be harder to keep out of sight... 73, Ross N4RP On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > Elecraft Operators, > > I have been off the HF airwaves for several years. Those darned antenna > restrictions really take the fun out of it. But after helping staff the > K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really > been itching to get back on the air from home. > > I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and > that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can > be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got > old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. > I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if > the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. > > 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From ldz at chopcat.co.uk Wed Aug 30 11:33:07 2017 From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (=?utf-8?Q?2E=C3=98LDZ?=) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:33:07 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 lock power control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Keith Yes. I have been using the lock function to date. And will carry on in that way. The issue of what I am trying to do comes up as we are using an amplifier that is not compatible with the ALC control on the K3S therefore the need to minimise the risk of overdriving. It would be nice to have some flexibility in that for less experienced users (especially as it is my radio I am lending to the club!) so that they can experiment with the power levels up to a set limit, without me risking my radio. I fully appreciate that if this were in a KX500 setup none of this would be necessary but maybe it could be considered in a future iteration of the software. cheers for the response. Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 On 30 Aug 2017, at 16:21, Keith Trinity WE6R > wrote: Hi Trevor; I saw your post. This has baffled me when a radio comes in for repair and is LOCKED. You can use it for your club operations to lock the power control. Unfortunately, they cannot go LOWER in power either. (the word LOCKED is NOT in the manual, so hard to find this). (We can set the max power here at the factory but it would require a trip here and back here to un-do the limit- Japan has a 50W mobile limit). LOCKED shows in the display when attempting to set pwr power mic comp compression controls. FiX; Tap 1 in ?PWR SET? menu. Tap 1 to LOCK or UNLOCK the MIC, CMP, and PWR controls. PWR SET NOR If set to NOR, the power level on each band follows the present setting of the PWR control. If set to PER-BAND, the power level is saved on each band. This is especially useful with external amplifiers (see ALC discussion on page 82.) If a KPA500 is connected to the K3S via the ACC cable, two sets of per-band power settings are saved: one for ?barefoot? operation, one for use with the amp. When the amp is used, an asterisk appears as PWR is rotated (e.g. 30 W*). Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 From k9iua at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:36:27 2017 From: k9iua at yahoo.com (Kevin Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list. It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news. I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver. Kevin Anderson --------------------------------------- Kevin Anderson, Dubuque IA USA, K9IUA k9iua (at) yahoo (dot) com --------------------------------------- From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 30 11:47:24 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7d90d848-37e8-a9f9-6c63-a08dcda02e58@embarqmail.com> Joseph, The KAT3A has a wide tuning range, and will normally handle a 10:1 SWR. If your SWR range is less than that, you will find operating with the KAT3A much more pleasant than dealing with a manual tuner. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and > that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can > be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got > old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. > I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if > the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 30 11:55:02 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:55:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: A UPS consists of a DC power supply that charges a battery, and a DC-AC inverter to convert the battery voltage to 120VAC.? Both operations can be noisy. The DC power supply is probably a swtich mode, and the inverter is a square wave generator that is shaped to resemble a sine wave. Most UPS units operate in standby mode -- until power fails, the SMPS is charging the battery, but the inverter is not operating, and the equipment is connected to the power line. When power fails, the inverter starts operating. A FAR better way to provide UPS for radio gear is a 12V deep discharge lead acid battery or 14.4V LiFePO4 that is float charged by a suitable power supply. And as has been discussed several times, LiFePO4 batteries have the major advantage that their operating voltage stays above 13V for most of their discharge curve, while lead-acid batteries are below 12V for most of their discharge curve. This system is as quiet as the power supply used to float-charge the battery. With either battery type, care must be taken to not overcharge the battery. 73, Jim K9YC ?On 8/30/2017 4:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for > use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 30 11:58:06 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:58:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kevin, We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture. It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft wrote: > > I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list. > > It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news. > > I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver. > > Kevin Anderson From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 12:15:22 2017 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:15:22 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The KAT3A will make it possible to load almost anything. Definitely worthwhile. Even with antennas like the ones below. You might think about an end-fed multiband antenna like this one: It will still work if the wire is bent in numerous places. It might fit your "random" places. If that's too big, here's a 40-10m version that's smaller: I'm a big partisan of balanced antennas, but if the option is not to operate... 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 30 Aug 2017 18:19, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > Elecraft Operators, > > I have been off the HF airwaves for several years. Those darned antenna > restrictions really take the fun out of it. But after helping staff the > K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really > been itching to get back on the air from home. > > I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and > that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can > be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got > old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. > I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if > the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. > > 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R From raysills3 at verizon.net Wed Aug 30 12:18:08 2017 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:18:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15e33ef8538-c0a-25aca@webjas-vaa200.srv.aolmail.net> Well, certainly, the handwriting was on the wall when you could no longer purchase a 4-band K1. That said, I feel bad for Perley, who was saving up to get one. At this point, I suspect he will have to go in a different direction, if he wants a rig to construct himself. He's pretty much said that he is on a very tight budget, so even saving up for a KX2 might be out of the question. And, it appears that not too many K1 owners are anxious to put their units on the second-hand market, either because they plan to keep them "forever"... or because at a reasonable "price realized" from a sale is low enough that they will just keep it. :) 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 From kenst at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 30 12:36:42 2017 From: kenst at roadrunner.com (N4OI - Ken) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:36:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1504111002348-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the rest of my stuff one day... But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!! 4-band K1 with ATU... a real, take-anywhere radio!! 73 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Aug 30 12:42:30 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:42:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 lock power control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've not used ALC from the amp to control the transceiver power in years. Just set the transceiver power to the required power during tune up of the amp and let the superior transceiver ALC do its job. This greatly prevents ALC overshoot. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:33 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: > > Thanks Keith > > Yes. I have been using the lock function to date. And will carry on in that way. > > The issue of what I am trying to do comes up as we are using an amplifier that is not compatible with the ALC control on the K3S therefore the need to minimise the risk of overdriving. It would be nice to have some flexibility in that for less experienced users (especially as it is my radio I am lending to the club!) so that they can experiment with the power levels up to a set limit, without me risking my radio. > > I fully appreciate that if this were in a KX500 setup none of this would be necessary but maybe it could be considered in a future iteration of the software. > > cheers for the response. > Trevor Clapp > M6LDZ > 2E0LDZ > LDZ at chopcat.co.uk > > RADIO BLOG > > 07900 49 77 11 > > > > On 30 Aug 2017, at 16:21, Keith Trinity WE6R > wrote: > > Hi Trevor; I saw your post. This has baffled me when a radio comes in for repair and is LOCKED. > You can use it for your club operations to lock the power control. Unfortunately, they cannot go LOWER in power either. > (the word LOCKED is NOT in the manual, so hard to find this). > (We can set the max power here at the factory but it would require a trip here and back here to un-do the limit- Japan has a 50W mobile limit). > > LOCKED shows in the display when attempting to set pwr power mic comp compression controls. > FiX; Tap 1 in ?PWR SET? menu. > Tap 1 to LOCK or UNLOCK the MIC, CMP, and PWR controls. > > PWR SET NOR If set to NOR, the power level on each band follows the present setting of the > PWR control. If set to PER-BAND, the power level is saved on each band. This > is especially useful with external amplifiers (see ALC discussion on page 82.) > If a KPA500 is connected to the K3S via the ACC cable, two sets of per-band > power settings are saved: one for ?barefoot? operation, one for use with the amp. > When the amp is used, an asterisk appears as PWR is rotated (e.g. 30 W*). > > > > > > Trevor Clapp > M6LDZ > 2E0LDZ > LDZ at chopcat.co.uk > > RADIO BLOG > > 07900 49 77 11 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Aug 30 12:49:15 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:49:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: <7d90d848-37e8-a9f9-6c63-a08dcda02e58@embarqmail.com> References: <7d90d848-37e8-a9f9-6c63-a08dcda02e58@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0185309B-E022-4A68-9F47-E3701E7C9752@blomand.net> In a recent QST article by Kai KE4PT he describes a nice antenna for portable operation. As to 2nd floor stations and grounding, I've operated mine in that configuration for some 20 years. There is no "station ground". I do have 3rd pin ground in place and all equipment is bonded to the station power supply as the common point. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Joseph, > > The KAT3A has a wide tuning range, and will normally handle a 10:1 SWR. > If your SWR range is less than that, you will find operating with the KAT3A much more pleasant than dealing with a manual tuner. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: >> >> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and >> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can >> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got >> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. >> I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if >> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From mikefurrey at att.net Wed Aug 30 13:30:41 2017 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1810829908.434760.1504114241404@mail.yahoo.com> When I moved from Houston and house with beams to a Florida apartment but with a big tree outside my door, I ordered the KAT3A. The KAT3 made easy work of my stealth antenna on 40-6 meters. Yes, I have a manual tuner and yes I have an LDG 200Pro auto-tuner but the KAT3A was a huge convenience. Go for it. 73, Mike WA5POK On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:21 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: Elecraft Operators, I have been off the HF airwaves for several years.? Those darned antenna restrictions really take the fun out of it.? But after helping staff the K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really been itching to get back on the air from home. I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. I also have some common second story grounding issues.? I'm wondering if the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net From paulnf8j at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 13:40:56 2017 From: paulnf8j at gmail.com (Paul VanOveren) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] test Message-ID: NF8J From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 30 13:56:15 2017 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <5cc39a52-029c-ddd2-f71d-ab1735b8712b@embarqmail.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> <6DF51B64-4373-4747-828E-B2C39D8FAB48@gmail.com> <5cc39a52-029c-ddd2-f71d-ab1735b8712b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <762129366.457181.1504115775426@mail.yahoo.com> Oh my!? The KPA500 is more efficient than you give it credit.???Since few have instruments to measure ac input parameters, will volunteer actual measurement figures.At 650W output into 50 ohm load, highest VA recorded was at 14.1 MHz at 1166.? Watts 974 with a pf of 0.83 or 83%.?? AC input amps 10.3.?? Awesome! 73,Mike? AC5P On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:28 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Tom, That 3000 watts I mentioned is for everything in the station. The KPA500 alone needs 120 volts at about 13 amps, maybe peaking to something greater. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2017 8:16 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: > 3000W at 120V is 25 amps.? He had better have a dedicate circuit.? I believe if I had to run a dedicated circuit I would run a 220 circuit for the amp and put everything else on the UPS. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From kk5f at earthlink.net Wed Aug 30 14:15:53 2017 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued Message-ID: <3925332.8152.1504116953941@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced. I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months. It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years. It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight. Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board. But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys. Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday. Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years. It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long. I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2. Mike / KK5F K1 serial 175 -----Original Message----- >From: N4OI - Ken >Sent: Aug 30, 2017 11:36 AM > > I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the > rest of my stuff one day... But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!! > 4-band K1 with ATU... a real, take-anywhere radio!! From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Aug 30 14:22:48 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <762129366.457181.1504115775426@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> <6DF51B64-4373-4747-828E-B2C39D8FAB48@gmail.com> <5cc39a52-029c-ddd2-f71d-ab1735b8712b@embarqmail.com> <762129366.457181.1504115775426@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4a669fef-f0a1-a81f-e12e-785a7dae5519@kanafi.org> On 8/30/2017 10:56 AM, Mike Maloney wrote: > At 650W output into 50 ohm load, highest VA recorded was at 14.1 MHz > at 1166. Watts 974 with a pf of 0.83 or 83%. AC input amps 10.3. > Awesome! I don't have a KPA500 (but I do have a KPA100). If it is running as a true linear amplifier (Class A) maximum theoretical efficiency is 50%. I'll let the designer(s) thereof kick that around. What do I know - I'm just a (lowly) EE (with 60 years' experience). :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From radiok4ia at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 14:53:00 2017 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It was a favorite of mine as well. Very capable radio that was fun to build and operate. I am really sorry I sold it. Maybe the skunk works at Elecraft can come up with a modern version. (hint hint). I know what you are going to say, "They already did. It is called a KX2." Buck, k4ia Honor Roll 8BDXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 8/30/2017 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture. > > It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list. >> >> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news. >> >> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver. >> >> Kevin Anderson > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com > From k2zn at rochester.rr.com Wed Aug 30 16:37:14 2017 From: k2zn at rochester.rr.com (Al Scanandoah) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:37:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508@rochester.rr.com> I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology. KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack. Al, K2ZN -- Sent via mobile From kc6cnn at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 16:50:44 2017 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: Think I will post my K1 4 band and my two extra 2 Bandera for sale. Gerald. On Aug 30, 2017 3:39 PM, "Al Scanandoah" wrote: I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology. KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack. Al, K2ZN -- Sent via mobile ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Aug 30 16:51:28 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508@rochester.rr.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: R.I.P. K1.? I never had one, but on a SOTA activation with Rich, NU6T, several years ago, we traded rigs for a bit and I got to run his K1.? Really great little radio.? I was giving some consideration to selling my K2/10 and getting a KX2, but then I spent some time with the K2 on the air and 86'd that idea.? My K2 is likely to be part of my estate. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/30/2017 1:37 PM, Al Scanandoah wrote: > I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology. > > KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack. > > Al, K2ZN From wa2si at arrl.net Wed Aug 30 16:57:20 2017 From: wa2si at arrl.net (Bert Craig) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:57:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <1bc8765e-30ba-4729-b22b-1587fdd85dd3.maildroid@localhost> I don't think I'll ever give up my 4-band K1. Sorry to see it discontinued, however, thanks for developing it in the first place. Kudo to Elecraft. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI Sent from my android device. From kc6cnn at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 17:48:43 2017 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:48:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 For Sale Message-ID: <1504129723068-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I am selling my Elecraft K-1. It has the 4 band board 40,30,20,15 meters in it. It also has two 2 band boards which also cover 40, 30, 20, 15 meters. It has the noise blanker and the automatic antenna tuner. The K-1 also comes with the tilt stand. This radio had had all the current modifications to bring it to date. Serial number on this K-1 is number 14, yes within the first 20 radios made. I am selling all of this for $500 The reason I am selling a lot of my ham gear is because I am going to be moving to a cabin on a ranch and we only have limited room and will operate off of solar power. I have two other qrp radios and two 100 watt radios Thanks Gerald ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From jalleninvest at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 18:23:45 2017 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:23:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued Message-ID: I found a K1 listed a day or so ago on QRZ, the same day his gripe was sent out, with 4 bands, IIRC, and sent the listing to the QRP list. Whether Purley or anyone else responded to it, I can't say, but if he wanted one, there it was. As of the writing, it appears to be still available. 73 Jim Allen W6OGC Sent from my iPad From k9yeq at live.com Wed Aug 30 19:12:09 2017 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:12:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: There's and RC hobby there as well with the great fly in. Too bad we didn't see the landing of the Drone or get more info on success of the portable op... unless I missed it. Hi! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:45 PM To: Elecraft Reflector ; KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location ever. Here?s a link to his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all at the same time! Wayne N6KR * * * Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island". 73, Mike KM6AB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 30 19:14:39 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <3925332.8152.1504116953941@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3925332.8152.1504116953941@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mike and all, Yes, both the K1 and the K2 have had an exceptionally long lifetime compared to other ham transceivers. I received my Field Test K2 late 1998, so my SN 0020 is 19 years old. Even though the K1 (and KX1) have been discontinued, support will continue for as long as the replacement parts and knowledge base exists. The K2 continues to be available, and Elecraft has taken some 'heroic' steps to provide quite usable substitutes for several parts that have disappeared because they are no longer manufactured. How long that can continue is anyone's guess, but I can say that Elecraft is dedicated to continuing support for the K2 for as long as possible. As an extension of that philosophy, I expect that those who have the K3 will enjoy similar support for years to come. Same for those who have purchased the K3S, KX3 and KX2 as well as other Elecraft products. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2017 2:15 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: > I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced. I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months. It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years. > > It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight. > > Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board. But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys. Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday. > > Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years. It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long. I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2. From kh2tj at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 30 19:16:56 2017 From: kh2tj at sbcglobal.net (Todd) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:16:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <59A74768.5090200@sbcglobal.net> Up at Salmoncon this year I had a chance to play with just about every radio Elecraft has come out with, with the exception of the K2. I left my KX2 sit in the tent while I had a chance to take the K1 for a nice test drive one night while sitting around in the pavilion. Great little radio. Wish I would have pulled the trigger on it years ago! I see them quite often at different events for sale, usually going for around $400 - $450.... I'm sure I'll see one again this year at Pacificon - and maybe it'll find a place here... ;-) Now that they're on the "endangered list", maybe that price is going up :-( Let me know Skip when you want to do Peavine (before the snow flies) and you can test drive the KX2. Later, Todd KH2TJ Fred Jensen wrote: > R.I.P. K1. I never had one, but on a SOTA activation with Rich, NU6T, > several years ago, we traded rigs for a bit and I got to run his K1. > Really great little radio. I was giving some consideration to selling > my K2/10 and getting a KX2, but then I spent some time with the K2 on > the air and 86'd that idea. My K2 is likely to be part of my estate. > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 30 19:18:10 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:18:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Maybe Mike could have used the drone to hold up a wire antenna, too? Wayne > On Aug 30, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > There's and RC hobby there as well with the great fly in. Too bad we didn't see the landing of the Drone or get more info on success of the portable op... unless I missed it. Hi! > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:45 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector ; KX3 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P > > Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location ever. Here?s a link to his video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 > > Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all at the same time! > > Wayne > N6KR > > * * * > > Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island". > > 73, > > Mike KM6AB From byron at n6nul.org Wed Aug 30 19:41:46 2017 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:41:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, About a year after I was licensed in 2008 I was extremely unhappy with how I was approaching the hobby. I sat there, looking at a pile of expensive kit I had no understanding of and realized I was not achieving my goals that pushed me to be licensed in the first place. Those included building things, learning morse code, and developing a better understanding. So, I sold all the appliances and bought a K1 kit! It was a wonderful build, and I really loved adjusting the VFO by adjusting wire spacing on L1. So much fun! Of course, to use it I had to learn morse code, so I did. I'm still not great, but that's just lack of practice. I am disappointed that there have not been any new solder kits from Elecraft and probably never will be again, though I understand the economics, the problems with parts availability, and soldering surface mount components. Even so, it makes me sad. Every time I use my K1 it makes me giddy with joy. Truly a wonderful radio. Thank you so much for making it. 73, Byron N6NUL K1 #2799 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture. > > It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list. >> >> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news. >> >> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver. >> >> Kevin Anderson > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to byron at n6nul.org -- - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org From alhanzl at comcast.net Wed Aug 30 19:57:08 2017 From: alhanzl at comcast.net (Al Hanzl) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Own K-1 number 151. Sorry to hear the news. Still have lots of fun with that rig. Will accessories still be available for awhile? I'm sorry I was never able to obtain the 4 band module for it. K2AL Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:14 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FS: KPA500/KAT500 Pair, Acom 2000A (Gary Ferdinand) > 2. Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Joseph M. Durnal) > 3. Re: Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS > (Barthold Lichtenbelt) > 4. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Ross Primrose) > 5. Re: Elecraft K3 lock power control (2E?LDZ) > 6. K1 Discontinued (Kevin Anderson) > 7. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Don Wilhelm) > 8. UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Jim Brown) > 9. Re: K1 Discontinued (Wayne Burdick) > 10. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) > 11. Re: K1 Discontinued (Raymond Sills) > 12. Re: K1 Discontinued (N4OI - Ken) > 13. Re: Elecraft K3 lock power control (Bob McGraw K4TAX) > 14. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > (Bob McGraw K4TAX) > 15. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Mike Furrey) > 16. test (Paul VanOveren) > 17. Re: Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS > (Mike Maloney) > 18. Re: K1 Discontinued (Mike Morrow) > 19. Re: Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS (Phil Kane) > 20. Re: K1 Discontinued (Buck) > 21. Re: K1 Discontinued (Al Scanandoah) > 22. Re: K1 Discontinued (Gerald Manthey) > 23. Re: K1 Discontinued (Fred Jensen) > 24. Re: K1 Discontinued (Bert Craig) > 25. K-1 For Sale (KC6CNN) > 26. Re: K1 Discontinued (Jim Allen) > 27. Re: KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P (Bill Johnson) > 28. Re: K1 Discontinued (Don Wilhelm) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:30:45 -0400 > From: Gary Ferdinand > To: elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KPA500/KAT500 Pair, Acom 2000A > Message-ID: <8E9741C6-0E15-4581-9226-AC1BFB703584 at taconic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I?m selling this equipment now because it is surplus to my needs and I plan on moving. Less boxes to pack. Feel free to forward this email. Contact me directly please at: gary at w2cs dot net > > 73/Gary W2CS > North Chatham, NY > > > For Sale: > > KPA500 and KAT500 pair. Excellent condition. Sold as a pair. ? $2000 plus shipping > > ALSO: Acom 2000A amplifier. Excellent condition. Full output power. New, color screen, control box. - $3500 plus shipping. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:19:54 -0400 > From: "Joseph M. Durnal" > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Elecraft Operators, > > I have been off the HF airwaves for several years. Those darned antenna > restrictions really take the fun out of it. But after helping staff the > K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really > been itching to get back on the air from home. > > I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and > that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can > be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got > old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. > I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if > the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. > > 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:26:27 -0600 > From: "Barthold Lichtenbelt" > To: , "'MaverickNH'" , > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for > UPS > Message-ID: <02cf01d321a4$5a0ab280$0e201780$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and > that is 1800 watts input. > > I would think this depends on the mode you operate in? > > For Field Day, I operated my KPA500 (SSB only) with a 1000 watt inverter, > without any issues the whole weekend. > > http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/power-inverters/prowatt-sw.aspx > > Barthold > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:43 AM > To: MaverickNH; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS > > Bret, > > The power rating of a transmitter is the output power, not the input draw. > > If the overall efficiency is something like 33% (quite likely), then the > input draw will 3 times the output power. > The efficiency of an RF output stage alone is typically about 50%, but there > are other circuits in the transmit section that must be added and brings the > overall efficiency of the transceiver down even more. > So yes, the input power required is about 3 times the output power. > > A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and > that is 1800 watts input. The K3 will need about 300 watts additional. > That means your UPS should be rated at least 2500 watts, but 3000 would be > more reasonable because it seems you have other gear in the ham station that > needs to be supported as well. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/30/2017 7:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >> As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is >> rated 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on >> the same input the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S. >> Typically, the baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over >> 900W with TX at 100W and the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't > 100W. >> >> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W >> higher, for use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another >> forum member. so from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this >> work or is the increase in watt TX not equal to the watt drawn? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bartholdl at yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:31:52 -0400 > From: Ross Primrose > To: "Joseph M. Durnal" , Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > Message-ID: <4ad31f14-05d1-98ef-72f2-507c1df5d6e5 at n4rp.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > If the cable run(s) between the K3 & the antenna(s) is fairly short, > it'd be a great choice.? If you've got long runs, being able to tune at > the antenna might work better, but might also be harder to keep out of > sight... > > 73, Ross N4RP > >> On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: >> Elecraft Operators, >> >> I have been off the HF airwaves for several years. Those darned antenna >> restrictions really take the fun out of it. But after helping staff the >> K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really >> been itching to get back on the air from home. >> >> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and >> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can >> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got >> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. >> I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if >> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. >> >> 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:33:07 +0100 > From: 2E?LDZ > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Cc: Keith Trinity WE6R > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 lock power control > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks Keith > > Yes. I have been using the lock function to date. And will carry on in that way. > > The issue of what I am trying to do comes up as we are using an amplifier that is not compatible with the ALC control on the K3S therefore the need to minimise the risk of overdriving. It would be nice to have some flexibility in that for less experienced users (especially as it is my radio I am lending to the club!) so that they can experiment with the power levels up to a set limit, without me risking my radio. > > I fully appreciate that if this were in a KX500 setup none of this would be necessary but maybe it could be considered in a future iteration of the software. > > cheers for the response. > Trevor Clapp > M6LDZ > 2E0LDZ > LDZ at chopcat.co.uk > > RADIO BLOG > > 07900 49 77 11 > > > > On 30 Aug 2017, at 16:21, Keith Trinity WE6R > wrote: > > Hi Trevor; I saw your post. This has baffled me when a radio comes in for repair and is LOCKED. > You can use it for your club operations to lock the power control. Unfortunately, they cannot go LOWER in power either. > (the word LOCKED is NOT in the manual, so hard to find this). > (We can set the max power here at the factory but it would require a trip here and back here to un-do the limit- Japan has a 50W mobile limit). > > LOCKED shows in the display when attempting to set pwr power mic comp compression controls. > FiX; Tap 1 in ?PWR SET? menu. > Tap 1 to LOCK or UNLOCK the MIC, CMP, and PWR controls. > > PWR SET NOR If set to NOR, the power level on each band follows the present setting of the > PWR control. If set to PER-BAND, the power level is saved on each band. This > is especially useful with external amplifiers (see ALC discussion on page 82.) > If a KPA500 is connected to the K3S via the ACC cable, two sets of per-band > power settings are saved: one for ?barefoot? operation, one for use with the amp. > When the amp is used, an asterisk appears as PWR is rotated (e.g. 30 W*). > > > > > > Trevor Clapp > M6LDZ > 2E0LDZ > LDZ at chopcat.co.uk > > RADIO BLOG > > 07900 49 77 11 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:36:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: Kevin Anderson > To: > Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: <780651557.347487.1504107387948 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list. > > It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news. > > I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver. > > Kevin Anderson > > --------------------------------------- > Kevin Anderson, Dubuque IA USA, K9IUA > k9iua (at) yahoo (dot) com > --------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:47:24 -0400 > From: Don Wilhelm > To: "Joseph M. Durnal" , Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > Message-ID: <7d90d848-37e8-a9f9-6c63-a08dcda02e58 at embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Joseph, > > The KAT3A has a wide tuning range, and will normally handle a 10:1 SWR. > If your SWR range is less than that, you will find operating with the > KAT3A much more pleasant than dealing with a manual tuner. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: >> >> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and >> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can >> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got >> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. >> I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if >> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:55:02 -0700 > From: Jim Brown > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > A UPS consists of a DC power supply that charges a battery, and a DC-AC > inverter to convert the battery voltage to 120VAC.? Both operations can > be noisy. The DC power supply is probably a swtich mode, and the > inverter is a square wave generator that is shaped to resemble a sine wave. > > Most UPS units operate in standby mode -- until power fails, the SMPS is > charging the battery, but the inverter is not operating, and the > equipment is connected to the power line. When power fails, the inverter > starts operating. > > A FAR better way to provide UPS for radio gear is a 12V deep discharge > lead acid battery or 14.4V LiFePO4 that is float charged by a suitable > power supply. And as has been discussed several times, LiFePO4 batteries > have the major advantage that their operating voltage stays above 13V > for most of their discharge curve, while lead-acid batteries are below > 12V for most of their discharge curve. This system is as quiet as the > power supply used to float-charge the battery. > > With either battery type, care must be taken to not overcharge the battery. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ?On 8/30/2017 4:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for >> use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:58:06 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Kevin Anderson > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Kevin, > > We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture. > > It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list. >> >> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news. >> >> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver. >> >> Kevin Anderson > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:15:22 +0300 > From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > The KAT3A will make it possible to load almost anything. Definitely > worthwhile. Even with antennas like the ones below. > > You might think about an end-fed multiband antenna like this one: > > > It will still work if the wire is bent in numerous places. It might fit > your "random" places. > > If that's too big, here's a 40-10m version that's smaller: > > > I'm a big partisan of balanced antennas, but if the option is not to > operate... > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> On 30 Aug 2017 18:19, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: >> Elecraft Operators, >> >> I have been off the HF airwaves for several years. Those darned antenna >> restrictions really take the fun out of it. But after helping staff the >> K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really >> been itching to get back on the air from home. >> >> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and >> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can >> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got >> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. >> I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if >> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. >> >> 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:18:08 -0400 > From: Raymond Sills > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: <15e33ef8538-c0a-25aca at webjas-vaa200.srv.aolmail.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Well, certainly, the handwriting was on the wall when you could no longer purchase a 4-band K1. That said, I feel bad for Perley, who was saving up to get one. At this point, I suspect he will have to go in a different direction, if he wants a rig to construct himself. He's pretty much said that he is on a very tight budget, so even saving up for a KX2 might be out of the question. And, it appears that not too many K1 owners are anxious to put their units on the second-hand market, either because they plan to keep them "forever"... or because at a reasonable "price realized" from a sale is low enough that they will just keep it. :) > > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:36:42 -0700 (MST) > From: N4OI - Ken > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: <1504111002348-0.post at n2.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the rest > of my stuff one day... But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!! 4-band > K1 with ATU... a real, take-anywhere radio!! > > 73 > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:42:30 -0500 > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX > To: 2E?LDZ > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, Keith Trinity WE6R > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 lock power control > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I've not used ALC from the amp to control the transceiver power in years. Just set the transceiver power to the required power during tune up of the amp and let the superior transceiver ALC do its job. This greatly prevents ALC overshoot. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:33 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: >> >> Thanks Keith >> >> Yes. I have been using the lock function to date. And will carry on in that way. >> >> The issue of what I am trying to do comes up as we are using an amplifier that is not compatible with the ALC control on the K3S therefore the need to minimise the risk of overdriving. It would be nice to have some flexibility in that for less experienced users (especially as it is my radio I am lending to the club!) so that they can experiment with the power levels up to a set limit, without me risking my radio. >> >> I fully appreciate that if this were in a KX500 setup none of this would be necessary but maybe it could be considered in a future iteration of the software. >> >> cheers for the response. >> Trevor Clapp >> M6LDZ >> 2E0LDZ >> LDZ at chopcat.co.uk >> >> RADIO BLOG >> >> 07900 49 77 11 >> >> >> >> On 30 Aug 2017, at 16:21, Keith Trinity WE6R > wrote: >> >> Hi Trevor; I saw your post. This has baffled me when a radio comes in for repair and is LOCKED. >> You can use it for your club operations to lock the power control. Unfortunately, they cannot go LOWER in power either. >> (the word LOCKED is NOT in the manual, so hard to find this). >> (We can set the max power here at the factory but it would require a trip here and back here to un-do the limit- Japan has a 50W mobile limit). >> >> LOCKED shows in the display when attempting to set pwr power mic comp compression controls. >> FiX; Tap 1 in ?PWR SET? menu. >> Tap 1 to LOCK or UNLOCK the MIC, CMP, and PWR controls. >> >> PWR SET NOR If set to NOR, the power level on each band follows the present setting of the >> PWR control. If set to PER-BAND, the power level is saved on each band. This >> is especially useful with external amplifiers (see ALC discussion on page 82.) >> If a KPA500 is connected to the K3S via the ACC cable, two sets of per-band >> power settings are saved: one for ?barefoot? operation, one for use with the amp. >> When the amp is used, an asterisk appears as PWR is rotated (e.g. 30 W*). >> >> >> >> >> >> Trevor Clapp >> M6LDZ >> 2E0LDZ >> LDZ at chopcat.co.uk >> >> RADIO BLOG >> >> 07900 49 77 11 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:49:15 -0500 > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > Message-ID: <0185309B-E022-4A68-9F47-E3701E7C9752 at blomand.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > In a recent QST article by Kai KE4PT he describes a nice antenna for portable operation. > > As to 2nd floor stations and grounding, I've operated mine in that configuration for some 20 years. There is no "station ground". I do have 3rd pin ground in place and all equipment is bonded to the station power supply as the common point. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Joseph, >> >> The KAT3A has a wide tuning range, and will normally handle a 10:1 SWR. >> If your SWR range is less than that, you will find operating with the KAT3A much more pleasant than dealing with a manual tuner. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: >>> >>> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and >>> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can >>> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got >>> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. >>> I also have some common second story grounding issues. I'm wondering if >>> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:30:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mike Furrey > To: "Joseph M. Durnal" , Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > Message-ID: <1810829908.434760.1504114241404 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > When I moved from Houston and house with beams to a Florida apartment but with a big tree outside my door, I ordered the KAT3A. The KAT3 made easy work of my stealth antenna on 40-6 meters. > Yes, I have a manual tuner and yes I have an LDG 200Pro auto-tuner but the KAT3A was a huge convenience. Go for it. > 73, Mike WA5POK > > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:21 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > > > Elecraft Operators, > > I have been off the HF airwaves for several years.? Those darned antenna > restrictions really take the fun out of it.? But after helping staff the > K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really > been itching to get back on the air from home. > > I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and > that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can > be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got > old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters. > I also have some common second story grounding issues.? I'm wondering if > the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation. > > 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:40:56 -0400 > From: Paul VanOveren > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] test > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > NF8J > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:56:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mike Maloney > To: "donwilh at embarqmail.com" , > "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for > UPS > Message-ID: <762129366.457181.1504115775426 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Oh my!? The KPA500 is more efficient than you give it credit.???Since few have instruments to measure ac input parameters, will volunteer actual measurement figures.At 650W output into 50 ohm load, highest VA recorded was at 14.1 MHz at 1166.? Watts 974 with a pf of 0.83 or 83%.?? AC input amps 10.3.?? Awesome! > 73,Mike? AC5P > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:28 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > > Tom, > > That 3000 watts I mentioned is for everything in the station. > The KPA500 alone needs 120 volts at about 13 amps, maybe peaking to > something greater. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/30/2017 8:16 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: >> 3000W at 120V is 25 amps.? He had better have a dedicate circuit.? I believe if I had to run a dedicated circuit I would run a 220 circuit for the amp and put everything else on the UPS. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:15:53 -0400 (EDT) > From: Mike Morrow > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: > <3925332.8152.1504116953941 at elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced. I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months. It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years. > > It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight. > > Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board. But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys. Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday. > > Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years. It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long. I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2. > > Mike / KK5F > K1 serial 175 > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: N4OI - Ken >> Sent: Aug 30, 2017 11:36 AM >> >> I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the >> rest of my stuff one day... But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!! >> 4-band K1 with ATU... a real, take-anywhere radio!! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:22:48 -0700 > From: Phil Kane > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for > UPS > Message-ID: <4a669fef-f0a1-a81f-e12e-785a7dae5519 at kanafi.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> On 8/30/2017 10:56 AM, Mike Maloney wrote: >> >> At 650W output into 50 ohm load, highest VA recorded was at 14.1 MHz >> at 1166. Watts 974 with a pf of 0.83 or 83%. AC input amps 10.3. >> Awesome! > > I don't have a KPA500 (but I do have a KPA100). If it is running as a > true linear amplifier (Class A) maximum theoretical efficiency is 50%. > I'll let the designer(s) thereof kick that around. What do I know - I'm > just a (lowly) EE (with 60 years' experience). :) > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > >> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:53:00 -0400 > From: Buck > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > It was a favorite of mine as well. Very capable radio that was fun to > build and operate. I am really sorry I sold it. Maybe the skunk works > at Elecraft can come up with a modern version. (hint hint). > > I know what you are going to say, "They already did. It is called a KX2." > > Buck, k4ia > Honor Roll > 8BDXCC > EasyWayHamBooks.com > >> On 8/30/2017 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Hi Kevin, >> >> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture. >> >> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft wrote: >>> >>> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list. >>> >>> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news. >>> >>> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver. >>> >>> Kevin Anderson >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:37:14 -0400 > From: Al Scanandoah > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508 at rochester.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology. > > KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack. > > Al, K2ZN > -- > Sent via mobile > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:50:44 -0500 > From: Gerald Manthey > To: Al Scanandoah > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Think I will post my K1 4 band and my two extra 2 Bandera for sale. > > Gerald. > > On Aug 30, 2017 3:39 PM, "Al Scanandoah" wrote: > > I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier > this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a > means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, > even without current technology. > > KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds > down the center spot in the shack. > > Al, K2ZN > -- > Sent via mobile > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:51:28 -0700 > From: Fred Jensen > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > R.I.P. K1.? I never had one, but on a SOTA activation with Rich, NU6T, > several years ago, we traded rigs for a bit and I got to run his K1.? > Really great little radio.? I was giving some consideration to selling > my K2/10 and getting a KX2, but then I spent some time with the K2 on > the air and 86'd that idea.? My K2 is likely to be part of my estate. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 8/30/2017 1:37 PM, Al Scanandoah wrote: >> I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology. >> >> KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack. >> >> Al, K2ZN > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:57:20 -0400 > From: Bert Craig > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: <1bc8765e-30ba-4729-b22b-1587fdd85dd3.maildroid at localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I don't think I'll ever give up my 4-band K1. Sorry to see it discontinued, however, thanks for developing it in the first place. Kudo to Elecraft. > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > > Sent from my android device. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:48:43 -0700 (MST) > From: KC6CNN > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 For Sale > Message-ID: <1504129723068-0.post at n2.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I am selling my Elecraft K-1. > It has the 4 band board 40,30,20,15 meters in it. > It also has two 2 band boards which also cover 40, 30, 20, 15 meters. > It has the noise blanker and the automatic antenna tuner. > The K-1 also comes with the tilt stand. > This radio had had all the current modifications to bring it to date. > Serial number on this K-1 is number 14, yes within the first 20 radios made. > I am selling all of this for $500 > The reason I am selling a lot of my ham gear is because I am going to be > moving to a cabin on a ranch and we only have limited room and will operate > off of solar power. > I have two other qrp radios and two 100 watt radios > Thanks > Gerald > > > > > > > ----- > KC6CNN - Gerald > K1 # 0014 > K3 # 6294 > KX3 # 757 > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:23:45 -0500 > From: Jim Allen > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I found a K1 listed a day or so ago on QRZ, the same day his gripe was sent out, with 4 bands, IIRC, and sent the listing to the QRP list. Whether Purley or anyone else responded to it, I can't say, but if he wanted one, there it was. As of the writing, it appears to be still available. > > 73 Jim Allen W6OGC > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:12:09 +0000 > From: Bill Johnson > To: Wayne Burdick , Elecraft Reflector > , "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There's and RC hobby there as well with the great fly in. Too bad we didn't see the landing of the Drone or get more info on success of the portable op... unless I missed it. Hi! > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:45 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector ; KX3 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P > > Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location ever. Here?s a link to his video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00 > > Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all at the same time! > > Wayne > N6KR > > * * * > > Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island". > > 73, > > Mike KM6AB > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:14:39 -0400 > From: Don Wilhelm > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Mike and all, > > Yes, both the K1 and the K2 have had an exceptionally long lifetime > compared to other ham transceivers. I received my Field Test K2 late > 1998, so my SN 0020 is 19 years old. > Even though the K1 (and KX1) have been discontinued, support will > continue for as long as the replacement parts and knowledge base exists. > > The K2 continues to be available, and Elecraft has taken some 'heroic' > steps to provide quite usable substitutes for several parts that have > disappeared because they are no longer manufactured. > How long that can continue is anyone's guess, but I can say that > Elecraft is dedicated to continuing support for the K2 for as long as > possible. > > As an extension of that philosophy, I expect that those who have the K3 > will enjoy similar support for years to come. Same for those who have > purchased the K3S, KX3 and KX2 as well as other Elecraft products. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/30/2017 2:15 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: >> I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced. I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months. It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years. >> >> It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight. >> >> Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board. But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys. Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday. >> >> Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years. It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long. I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 38 > ***************************************** From k4to at arrl.net Wed Aug 30 19:59:11 2017 From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:59:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P In-Reply-To: References: <108067221.56000.1504040046095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <22C5F04F-3D1A-412C-A5DF-8C69A8624A78@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <923D305B-E7C1-4034-9F62-04302350E977@arrl.net> My son, K4TOO uses his drone to place a messenger line where he wants it to pull antennas up through trees. He has a remote release that makes it a very accurate operation. He used it on Field Day this year and also to string hidden antennas up at his home QTH. Dave, K4TO > On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Maybe Mike could have used the drone to hold up a wire antenna, too? > > Wayne > From chasshaw at leaco.net Wed Aug 30 20:05:19 2017 From: chasshaw at leaco.net (Charles W. Shaw) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 00:05:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers Message-ID: <201708301807685.SM1093270@RadioDesk13.leaco.net> If someone were to buy my TITAN III for $2050 plus UPS shipping and insurance, I would be happy to order a KPA1500 for my Elecraft K3S/P3 station. If interested contact me only at my email: chasshaw at leaco.net 73, Charles Shaw - N5UL Hobbs, NM From k9yeq at live.com Wed Aug 30 20:20:53 2017 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 00:20:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Drone antenna launch Field portable! Changed topic. Message-ID: Brilliant Idea. What drone does he use as I would do the same in the future. How does the release work. I would use with my KX2 while portable, out of the car. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sublette [mailto:k4to at arrl.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:59 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: Bill Johnson Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P My son, K4TOO uses his drone to place a messenger line where he wants it to pull antennas up through trees. He has a remote release that makes it a very accurate operation. He used it on Field Day this year and also to string hidden antennas up at his home QTH. Dave, K4TO > On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Maybe Mike could have used the drone to hold up a wire antenna, too? > > Wayne > From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Aug 30 20:35:36 2017 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 20:35:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Drone antenna launch Field portable! Changed topic. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been doing this for 5 or 6 about years now. Even QST published the picture of me doing it. We also used it for Field day. It is a great idea. The release is just a $3 servo that pulls a pin to drop the weight. You just need to be high enough to have enough inertia to pull the drop line through the tree leaves. For quick and dirty QRP work, I still use a water bottle on a string. Mike va3mw On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Brilliant Idea. What drone does he use as I would do the same in the > future. How does the release work. I would use with my KX2 while > portable, out of the car. > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sublette [mailto:k4to at arrl.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:59 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: Bill Johnson > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P > > My son, K4TOO uses his drone to place a messenger line where he wants it > to pull antennas up through trees. He has a remote release that makes it a > very accurate operation. He used it on Field Day this year and also to > string hidden antennas up at his home QTH. > > Dave, K4TO > > On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > Maybe Mike could have used the drone to hold up a wire antenna, too? > > > > Wayne > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From joseph.durnal at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 21:04:25 2017 From: joseph.durnal at gmail.com (Joseph M. Durnal) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:04:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This news is inspirational. My half built K1, SN 2350 as been with another ham since 2008. I retrieved it today. I had a problem on receive and had trouble figuring it out. It turns out that I missed D5, but checked it off. https://imgur.com/a/v9aMm I'm going to try and finish it sooner than later. Any chance that KAT1 is still available? 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it > because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost > effective for us to manufacture. > > It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on > many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time > (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve > moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > > I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list > about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it > and don't find it in a search of the list. > > > > It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone > disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or > weekend and got the news. > > > > I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed > not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for > the transceiver. > > > > Kevin Anderson > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joseph.durnal at gmail.com > From eric at elecraft.com Wed Aug 30 21:04:36 2017 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:04:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We still sell a number of K2s each month. Its the only full-solder SSB/CW 160-10 kit available. And its still in the upper performance portion of the charts! :-) Plus we also still sell the KPA100 100W top cover option kit for the K2. We plan to keep the K2 rolling for as long as possible. (And it was our first design, so there is some emotional attachment here..) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/30/2017 4:41 PM, Byron Servies wrote: > Hi all, > > About a year after I was licensed in 2008 I was extremely unhappy with > how I was approaching the hobby. I sat there, looking at a pile of > expensive kit I had no understanding of and realized I was not > achieving my goals that pushed me to be licensed in the first place. > Those included building things, learning morse code, and developing a > better understanding. > > So, I sold all the appliances and bought a K1 kit! It was a wonderful > build, and I really loved adjusting the VFO by adjusting wire spacing > on L1. So much fun! Of course, to use it I had to learn morse code, so > I did. I'm still not great, but that's just lack of practice. > > I am disappointed that there have not been any new solder kits from > Elecraft and probably never will be again, though I understand the > economics, the problems with parts availability, and soldering surface > mount components. Even so, it makes me sad. > > Every time I use my K1 it makes me giddy with joy. Truly a wonderful > radio. Thank you so much for making it. > > 73, Byron N6NUL > K1 #2799 > From byron at n6nul.org Wed Aug 30 21:08:45 2017 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:08:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is still on the price list: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k1 73, Byron N6NUL On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > This news is inspirational. My half built K1, SN 2350 as been with another > ham since 2008. I retrieved it today. > > I had a problem on receive and had trouble figuring it out. It turns out > that I missed D5, but checked it off. > > https://imgur.com/a/v9aMm > > I'm going to try and finish it sooner than later. > > Any chance that KAT1 is still available? > > 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R > > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Hi Kevin, >> >> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it >> because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost >> effective for us to manufacture. >> >> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on >> many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time >> (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve >> moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> > On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft < >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: >> > >> > I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list >> about the K1 being just recently discontinued. Or if it had, I missed it >> and don't find it in a search of the list. >> > >> > It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone >> disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or >> weekend and got the news. >> > >> > I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed >> not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for >> the transceiver. >> > >> > Kevin Anderson >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to joseph.durnal at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to byron at n6nul.org -- - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Wed Aug 30 21:26:01 2017 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:26:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1504142761273-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks all - I've got some good ideas to try! Bret/N4SRN -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kenst at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 30 22:30:02 2017 From: kenst at roadrunner.com (N4OI - Ken) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:30:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Byron Servies wrote > [...] and soldering surface mount components. I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. The import hot air soldering stations are relatively cheap and easy-to-use. And magnifiers are available -- even binocular microscopes start around $500 for the heavy hitters. (I had a good learning experience replacing some chips in my iPhone 6 Plus to fix the "touch screen disease.") I think that SMTs should propel solder kit building to a new level, not shut it down! Just sayin' 73 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From byron at n6nul.org Wed Aug 30 22:59:09 2017 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:59:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken wrote: > Byron Servies wrote >> [...] and soldering surface mount components. > > I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. I actually use the toaster oven method described in QST a few years ago. Works great! But how small would the K1 be if made with SMT's and a few toroids. Ooohhh.. 73, Byron N6NUL From ch at murgatroid.com Wed Aug 30 23:18:41 2017 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 20:18:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: i prefer smt to through hole for hand soldering. through hole is a total pain. i generally do not use any hot air; just a fine tip metcal iron, a *lot* of flux and sometimes a toothpick. 0603 RCLs are a piece of cake. 0402 RCLs take some care but are totally doable. 73 de AI6KG On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken wrote: > Byron Servies wrote > > [...] and soldering surface mount components. > > I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. The > import hot air soldering stations are relatively cheap and easy-to-use. > And > magnifiers are available -- even binocular microscopes start around $500 > for > the heavy hitters. (I had a good learning experience replacing some chips > in my iPhone 6 Plus to fix the "touch screen disease.") > > I think that SMTs should propel solder kit building to a new level, not > shut > it down! Just sayin' > > 73 > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 31 00:00:53 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:00:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/30/2017 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken wrote: > I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. As you get older, you will. Eyes, steadiness of hand, eye-hand coordination, all can make working with SMT a challenge. Mine will be 76 years old in a few months. Several years ago, I learned just enough to do relatively simple SMT work with fairly large SMT components in a band pass filter kit. I couldn't even SEE the smaller SMT components in that kit, and called in reinforcements. 73, Jim K9YC From k2asp at kanafi.org Thu Aug 31 00:09:50 2017 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:09:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <74acf2f9-df39-d15f-a5aa-232989ea93c2@kanafi.org> References: <74acf2f9-df39-d15f-a5aa-232989ea93c2@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <2dd8803e-0270-438b-94a3-15a311c62d33@kanafi.org> On 8/30/2017 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken wrote: > I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. If you had monocular close-up eyesight (due to scarring on one retina) and arthritic hands (due to aging) like I have, you would understand it perfectly. And I don't have a work-table any more to do it right. Luckily I had a close-by ham friend do my K2 for me. I recently had to solder a wire to an isolated terminal, holding my breath that I wouldn't burn myself or anything else while working under a lighted magnifier - something that I would do 50 years ago without a second thought. I've paid my dues and have no regrets about having to be a plug-and-play appliance operator. Sure beats no operator at all. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 (First licensed in 1952) >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Aug 31 01:15:44 2017 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:15:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My experience with the tuners in both the K3 and KX3 are that they will reach an acceptable SWR with anything. I always check the antenna when they take a long time to reach a match. (I.e. lots of clicking.) Most of the time I find I am trying to match an open antenna connection. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/30/17 at 9:15 AM, k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) wrote: >The KAT3A will make it possible to load almost anything. >Definitely worthwhile. Even with antennas like the ones below. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 31 02:25:04 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:25:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please don't perpetuate that myth, Bill.? Tuners do NOT reduce the SWR unless they're at the antenna end of a transmission line. The SWR exists on the transmission line, and it is determined ENTIRELY by the match between the transmission line and the load. What tuners at the rig do is get the rig to put power into the tuner (and hopefully, onto the transmission line).? If the SWR is high without the tuner, it is equally high WITH the tuner. Depending on the cable, the frequency, and the SWR, much of the power that the rig puts into the tuner gets to the transmission line, but is turned into heat by the SWR in the line and doesn't get to the antenna. A better way to talk and think about this is to say that the tuner can match a wide variety of loads to the transmitter sufficiently well that the rig can pump the maximum power from its output terminals, whether it's feeding a short wet string or a nice long wire we've launched into a tree. And if there's no transmission line, SWR has no meaning!? So SWR is the wrong way to talk and think about it. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/30/2017 10:15 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > My experience with the tuners in both the K3 and KX3 are that they > will reach an acceptable SWR with anything. I always check the antenna > when they take a long time to reach a match. (I.e. lots of clicking.) > Most of the time I find I am trying to match an open antenna connection. From indians at xsmail.com Thu Aug 31 05:51:56 2017 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 02:51:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <7565CD77-0523-4338-AA32-EE53AEDFE508@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <1504173116901-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Agree Skip... My son Jakub (15) is using his K1 mostly on receiving and learning CW and what is funny > time to time he is able to hear DX sigs better then on my K3... :) He is really proud to have his K1 because of that, hi. 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:34:15 2017 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 07:34:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98838723-39e6-2fb3-9bff-fcdd6af924f7@embarqmail.com> Joseph, Contact sales about the KAT1. I have had official information that options will be available until the current supplies run out. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2017 9:04 PM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > I'm going to try and finish it sooner than later. > > Any chance that KAT1 is still available? > From paulnf8j at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 08:30:48 2017 From: paulnf8j at gmail.com (Paul VanOveren) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3 Message-ID: K3, #758 100 Watt Module ATU Automatic Antenna Tuner, provides 2nd Antenna input Second Receiver, Identical to Primary Receiver Digital I/O board, provides separate receive antenna input DVR, Digital Voice Recorder USB Upgraded boards. 2 5 pole 2.7 SSB Filters 2. matching 5 pole 500 MHZ CW filters. 2, matching 8 pole 250 MHZ CW filters. All cables, manuals, and Fred Cady book. Cosmetically 9/10 Non smoking environment Shipping to CONUS only $2400.00 NF8J Paul VanOveren Grand Rapids, MI 49321 616 541-3378 paulnf8j at gmail.com From ae5x at juno.com Thu Aug 31 08:54:14 2017 From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:54:14 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Drone antenna launch Field portable! Changed topic. Message-ID: <20170831.075414.14121.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Here's what I use on my Phantom: https://www.hobbyzone.com/radio-related/servo-related/accessories/efla405.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw557NBRC9ARIsAHJvVVPLFAokgDV7508h4v3RDV4nAUJpM3DmTknCizN8TLtUUmg0Xb9JSzIaAkHzEALw_wcB I'll make a video of it in antenna-installation action once we dry out a bit more from Harvey. Cheap and works quite well, tree height is not an issue. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________ Jo Gaines Ends All The Rumors mygreatdesigns.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/59a807517522d7517b6cst01vuc From rthorne at rthorne.net Thu Aug 31 09:11:04 2017 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:11:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Drone antenna launch Field portable! Changed topic. In-Reply-To: <20170831.075414.14121.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> References: <20170831.075414.14121.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <275bbebe-648c-1dd4-ba13-7179fac328e0@rthorne.net> John, Do use a separate receiver in order to activate the release or is there an extra slot on the drone receiver? I'm assuming your using a bind - n - fly drone.? If it's home brew with your own receiver then it probably has a spare slot that you can program a switch to? Rich - N5ZC On 8/31/2017 7:54 AM, John AE5X wrote: > Here's what I use on my Phantom: > > https://www.hobbyzone.com/radio-related/servo-related/accessories/efla405.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw557NBRC9ARIsAHJvVVPLFAokgDV7508h4v3RDV4nAUJpM3DmTknCizN8TLtUUmg0Xb9JSzIaAkHzEALw_wcB > > I'll make a video of it in antenna-installation action once we dry out a bit more from Harvey. Cheap and works quite well, tree height is not an issue. > > John AE5X > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Jo Gaines Ends All The Rumors > mygreatdesigns.com > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/59a807517522d7517b6cst01vuc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net > From rthorne at rthorne.net Thu Aug 31 09:14:34 2017 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Drone antenna launch Field portable! Changed topic. In-Reply-To: <275bbebe-648c-1dd4-ba13-7179fac328e0@rthorne.net> References: <20170831.075414.14121.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> <275bbebe-648c-1dd4-ba13-7179fac328e0@rthorne.net> Message-ID: John, Just re-read your email, does the Phantom have an extra receiver slot? I have a Chroma that's a few years old which would have plenty of lift for a wire antenna, I need to check to see if it has an extra receiver slot. Rich - N5ZC On 8/31/2017 8:11 AM, Richard Thorne wrote: > John, > > Do use a separate receiver in order to activate the release or is > there an extra slot on the drone receiver? > > I'm assuming your using a bind - n - fly drone.? If it's home brew > with your own receiver then it probably has a spare slot that you can > program a switch to? > > Rich - N5ZC > > On 8/31/2017 7:54 AM, John AE5X wrote: >> Here's what I use on my Phantom: >> >> https://www.hobbyzone.com/radio-related/servo-related/accessories/efla405.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw557NBRC9ARIsAHJvVVPLFAokgDV7508h4v3RDV4nAUJpM3DmTknCizN8TLtUUmg0Xb9JSzIaAkHzEALw_wcB >> >> >> I'll make a video of it in antenna-installation action once we dry >> out a bit more from Harvey. Cheap and works quite well, tree height >> is not an issue. >> >> John AE5X >> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Jo Gaines Ends All The Rumors >> mygreatdesigns.com >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/59a807517522d7517b6cst01vuc >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net From bartholdl at yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 10:23:19 2017 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:23:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <030401d32264$b4987280$1dc95780$@com> Walter, This was a super informative writeup, thank you! I have one question for you. If you throw a 26-29 foot wire in a tree, but it is impractical to sit right at the end of the wire (too many branches in the way, or whatever) to operate, how would you extend it? For example, operate from a table 20 feet away. Thanks! Barthold AD0RM -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:10 AM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In July, five SOTA operators put up seven different antennas on a summit and compared their performance with WSPR. Six of the antennas were mostly within 3 dB of each other. The EARCHI antenna (end-fed with transformer) was between 6 and 15 dB worse than the others. So in one experiment, the 9:1 transformer did not help. http://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/seven-sota-antennas-compared-using-wspr-on-a-summit/15635 When the antenna is connected directly to the KX3, there is no transmission line, so there is no need to match the antenna to the transmission line. It is putting the ATU at the feed point of the antenna. The 26-29 foot length is chosen to avoid very high or very low impedances in the ham bands down to 40 m Especially, it is not a 1/2 wave on any band. That makes it easier to match. If you want to work 80 m, use a 53 foot wire. The 16 foot wire on the ground is a radial ?system?. One radial is a lot better than none, but you could use more. The length isn?t especially important because it is capacitively coupled to the ground. Ground resistance swamps any resonance. I first heard about this antenna on this list. It was recommended by Wayne, N6KR. It is documented on page 9 of the instructions for the KXAT1 antenna tuner, ?...for backpacking use on 40/30/20 meters, a wire length of 24-28 feet will generally provide good results. [?] Ground system: Use a at least one ground radial, cut to at least 1/8th wavelength on the lowest band used (16' on 40 meters). When possible, use two or more radials, with one cut to 1/4 wavelength on each band." http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf There is similar advice on page 10 of the KX2 manual. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner%27s%20man.pdf Finally, stop trying to think about ?balanced? and ?unbalanced? because those words are used in bizarre, inconsistent ways. Voltage, whether DC or RF, is always between two terminals. With a center-fed dipole, the two terminals are the elements. With this setup, the two terminals are the wire in the air and the wire on the ground. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 13, 2017, at 5:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): > > I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. > > I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by using a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio. > > I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told about these antennas: I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less. I've seen deployments with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great successes. > > I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun isn't recommended in this setup. I'd love to just take the wire and put it on my WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first. Why does this work? :) > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood > wrote: > You can get a quick look at band conditions at > http://bandconditions.com > > > > Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. > > Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the ATU tune it and see you can hear. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my > blog) > > > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy > wrote: > > > > The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. > > > > 73! > > > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > >> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some > >> feedback if anyone cares to chime in. > >> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, > >> so I am not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks > >> like the sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > >> > >> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks > >> ago). Love the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my > >> efforts to hear much of anything, much less make a contact with > >> someone, has been frustrating to say the least. I live in an > >> apartment and am surrounded by power lines for one thing. The > >> background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > >> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > >> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue > >> (and one reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and > >> filtering could help with that.) > >> > >> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > >> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for > >> HF? Or is the base loaded vertical a joke? > >> > >> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to > >> try and get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > >> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear > >> some local AM stations. :) > >> > >> Mike AB7RU > >> > >> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able > >> to get a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing > >> something like > >> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a > >> match to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably > >> not much... but I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to > >> tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please > > help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to > > wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please > help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > > -- > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > Rich Hurd / WC3T > DMR ID: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) > Grid: FN20is > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bartholdl at yahoo.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 10:42:08 2017 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <030401d32264$b4987280$1dc95780$@com> References: <6f9350ad-357a-c88b-332a-a0d911f8cc01@hvc.rr.com> <030401d32264$b4987280$1dc95780$@com> Message-ID: <1799928316.464232.1504190528325@mail.yahoo.com> I prefer to use the end fed wire in an inverted "L" configuration with the vertical leg running down a FG pole to the radio. Mel, K6KBE From: Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft To: 'Walter Underwood' ; 'Reflector Elecraft' Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? Walter, This was a super informative writeup, thank you! I have one question for you. If you throw a 26-29 foot wire in a tree, but it is impractical to sit right at the end of the wire (too many branches in the way, or whatever) to operate, how would you extend it? For example, operate from a table 20 feet away. Thanks! Barthold AD0RM -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:10 AM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In July, five SOTA operators put up seven different antennas on a summit and compared their performance with WSPR. Six of the antennas were mostly within 3 dB of each other. The EARCHI antenna (end-fed with transformer) was? between 6 and 15 dB worse than the others. So in one experiment, the 9:1 transformer did not help. http://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/seven-sota-antennas-compared-using-wspr-on-a-summit/15635 When the antenna is connected directly to the KX3, there is no transmission line, so there is no need to match the antenna to the transmission line. It is putting the ATU at the feed point of the antenna. The 26-29 foot length is chosen to avoid very high or very low impedances in the ham bands down to 40 m Especially, it is not a 1/2 wave on any band. That makes it easier to match. If you want to work 80 m, use a 53 foot wire. The 16 foot wire on the ground is a radial ?system?. One radial is a lot better than none, but you could use more. The length isn?t especially important because it is capacitively coupled to the ground. Ground resistance swamps any resonance. I first heard about this antenna on this list. It was recommended by Wayne, N6KR. It is documented on page 9 of the instructions for the KXAT1 antenna tuner, ?...for backpacking use on 40/30/20 meters, a wire length of 24-28 feet will generally provide good results. [?] Ground system: Use a at least one ground radial, cut to at least 1/8th wavelength on the lowest band used (16' on 40 meters). When possible, use two or more radials, with one cut to 1/4 wavelength on each band." http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf There is similar advice on page 10 of the KX2 manual. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner%27s%20man.pdf Finally, stop trying to think about ?balanced? and ?unbalanced? because those words are used in bizarre, inconsistent ways. Voltage, whether DC or RF, is always between two terminals. With a center-fed dipole, the two terminals are the elements. With this setup, the two terminals are the wire in the air and the wire on the ground. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 13, 2017, at 5:31 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > Hi all, particularly Walter (since he mentioned it): > > I've been bedeviled by a question with multiple possible answers. > > I'm a fan of the idea of using a field antenna as Walter describes by using a BNC - to binding post connector directly to the radio.? > > I'm leery of that because it flies in the face of what I've been told about these antennas:? I'm assuming the radio BNC connection is unbalanced and the wires form a balanced antenna, more or less.? I've seen deployments with end-fed 9:1 baluns and without, even documented on YouTube with great successes. > > I can tell you that the 9:1 balun setup doesn't seem to be working for my current field deployment but I'd sure like to understand why a balun isn't recommended in this setup.? I'd love to just take the wire and put it on my WonderPole and go for it, but I'd like the understanding first.? ? Why does this work?? :) > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 13:19 Walter Underwood > wrote: > You can get a quick look at band conditions at > http://bandconditions.com > > > > Using Buddistick on 40 m is a real challenge. I would not be surprised if that was an S-unit or more below a full-size dipole. > > Try the simplest field antenna for the KX3, two wires connected directly to the rig. Get a BNC to double binding post adaptor. Get a wire 26 to 29 feet long, throw it in a tree and hook one end to the red post. Get a 16 foot wire, lay it on the ground and connect it to the black post. Let the ATU tune it and see you can hear. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my > blog) > > > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Tommy > wrote: > > > > The band has been really crappy lately. Keep tuning around and listening. > > > > 73! > > > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2017 12:33 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > >> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some > >> feedback if anyone cares to chime in. > >> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, > >> so I am not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks > >> like the sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). > >> > >> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks > >> ago). Love the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my > >> efforts to hear much of anything, much less make a contact with > >> someone, has been frustrating to say the least. I live in an > >> apartment and am surrounded by power lines for one thing. The > >> background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is > >> s7-9 mostly. I? took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were > >> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue > >> (and one reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and > >> filtering could help with that.) > >> > >> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just > >> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for > >> HF? Or is the base loaded vertical a joke? > >> > >> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to > >> try and get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. > >> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear > >> some local AM stations. :) > >> > >> Mike AB7RU > >> > >> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able > >> to get a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing > >> something like > >> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a > >> match to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably > >> not much... but I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to > >> tommy58 at hvc.rr.com > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please > > help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to > > wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please > help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > > -- > 73 (or 72 for the QRP folks), > Rich Hurd / WC3T > DMR ID: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES > EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988? (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) > Grid: FN20is > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bartholdl at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From k4ar at comcast.net Thu Aug 31 10:54:30 2017 From: k4ar at comcast.net (Bert Rollen) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:54:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 / KX3 with Rigblaster Advantage? Message-ID: Hi all, I am reconfiguring a few radios and wanting to use an *existing* sound-card interface - So, anyone using the Rigblaster Advantage with their K3 w/serial port or KX3 (I have both)? (I did not see much at all on archives regarding use of the RB Advantage unit) * Thus, I am looking for insight on performance, set-up tips, & potential problems, etc. Here is what I have - http://www.westmountainradio.com/product_info.php?products_id=rb_adv The kind folks at Elecraft have advised that CAT control should work, but to continue using my KUSB during K3 firmware updates (which I agree) I am primarily interested in setting it up for the K3, but at some point may play with the KX3 as well. Thanks, Bert - K4AR From mspmail2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 12:06:11 2017 From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:06:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: <37436e1d-3bcb-9013-66e5-b33813e401f8@blomand.net> References: <37436e1d-3bcb-9013-66e5-b33813e401f8@blomand.net> Message-ID: Bob, Thank you very much for sharing all that. I like your dipole approach there, getting at least one end up in the air at the roof level of that condo. I could possibly do something like that, slingshot a line to the rooftop of this apt bldg somehow ... Maybe with some kind of batman grapple hook thing on the end that can snag on something hi. My big concern here is how close the power lines are. Anyway. I am still mulling it over and continue to work with the buddistick (or the metal downspout on this bldg which tunes up surprisingly well on all bands). Mostly I am just trying to keep the faith right now that something will work out here. There is a lot of background noise here...tuning across the bands I hear one weird "signal" after the other, swooshing in and out as i tune the bands, which must be the horrid interference thrown out from all the WiFi routers around here... 60 cycle noise, buzzes, pops, I mean it is a real cacophony of sounds. There must be all kinds of intermodulation sorts of interference, the rfi mixing with the kx3's receiver. The NB and NR of the kx3 actually does a good job knocking a lot of that back. So far not one contact though. Trying *not* to see my investment as a rather expensive mini boat anchor. I think I will buy some China HT and at least get on 2 meters (not sure I am ready to spend the $260 on a 2 meter module for the kx3 just yet, although I will probably add it at some point anyway.) I wish there was some way to at least scare up some local 10 meter (line of sight) activity here so that I could at determine if this radio is transmitting okay. Some local HF qso's would be great... But I am not a part of a local ham club or anything here to try and set up a sked with anyone. Anyway... I appreciate your thoughts there, I am still trying to figure out what I really hope to get out of ham radio. So far it is QSOs on this Elecraft mailing list :) which is a great group here... This band is always open as long as the internet works. :) 73s, mike. On Aug 13, 2017 7:18 PM, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" wrote: > Mike: > > Glad to share my thoughts and experiences. > > As to using a dipole, feed it in the center with coax RG-58, RG-8X. And > the dipole does not have to be in a straight line. On the balcony or > patio, a single center support and droop the ends down in an inverted V > style. Or stretch it out as straight as you can between two supports and > droop the ends if it is longer than the two supports are spaced. > > I used both of these combinations when we lived in a condo in South FL. > With one of my antennas I had it vertical by dropping a Dacron fishing > line from the roof of a 3 story building down to our balcony on the 2nd > floor. I moved it away, sideways from the balcony so as not to attract the > attention the upstairs neighbor. Connected the end of my 20 M dipole and > hauled it up such that the feed point was about at the ceiling level of our > balcony or the floor level of the upstairs neighbor. The other end made it > just about to the ground. A nice fishing weight attached to the lower end > kept thing taught. I used some #30 Teflon covered wire which was white. > Looked more like a spider web and couldn't be seen from 15 ft or so against > the white building. I just tied a knot in the end and attached the > Dacron. The center insulator was a piece of plastic from a milk jug, and > the #30 wire was not stripped but just tied with a couple of 1" or so > pigtails. Strip the ends and attach the coax. Found some white marine > RG58 for the feed line. It was in place for about 6 years. No one noticed > or said anything. Worked great. Fortunately our condo was only 30 units > most of which were seasonal occupancy. Thus empty most of the year. Only > about 12 to 15 full time residents. > > Just be creative. The site I refer to is that of DJ0IP. He designs > antennas for portable operation, back pack operation and such. Thus small, > compact and lightweight. He also has great information on > baluns........good ones........and bad ones. Correct applications and > incorrect applications. > > Yes, digital modes are very conducive to low power and noise conditions. > The new FT8 mode which is included in the WSJT-X latest version is fast and > good. Not a rag chew mode by any means, but one can make contacts with > the simple exchange of calls, grid squares, signal reports, 73 and log > it. Lots of activity on that mode. Much faster, actually 4 times, than > JT-65 which is more like watching paint dry. I've been active on 6M the > past 2 weeks on FT-8 mode and this weekend with the Perseid meteor shower > using MSK144. > > If you are trying to work the lower frequencies, below 7 MHz, you will > really need a much larger antenna. Not saying it can't be done but more > antenna and more power is generally required. For a while I use my > mobile HF Hustler antenna and a pair of vice grip pliers to clamp the > insulated base to the rail around the balcony. Worked OK but I was also > running 100 watts. > > Good luck, let me know if I can assist. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > K3S s/n 10163 > > On 8/13/2017 8:13 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: > > Hi Bob > Thank you for your detailed reply! As for radials, I am just using the one > radial that came in the kit. It has to be tuned for each band. My setup has > to be taken down and set up each time so a lot of radials could be an issue. > > I like your 20 MTR dipole thought. I have always had good results with > wires. I could possibly string up a 20m dipole. > > The digital modes are great I used to work a lot of that, and getting back > on those modes could help with weak signal work. > > And your points on the attenuation and backing off rf gain are great. I > was totally unaware of how that could help with noise on the bands. > Thanks again, excellent help > 73 > mike > > On Aug 11, 2017 10:04 AM, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" wrote: > >> Mike: >> >> Comments in general..........the bands aren't in the best of conditions. >> Summertime makes for static crashes being created some 500+ miles away on >> 40 meters. And living in the midst of other apartments and power lines >> doesn't help. Then to make matters seemingly worse, a vertical seems more >> prone to pick up noise as noise is largely a vertical component. >> >> As to the vertical, my experience with verticals is that they do require >> a significant ground radial system in order to reduce the radiation loss. >> This is even after "tuning" for a low SWR. And your "mighty" amount of >> power doesn't help your cause either. HI HI. I'd try a simple coax fed >> dipole for say 20M which shouldn't be to difficult to get in the air a few >> feet there at the apartment. I operated from a ground floor condo unit >> for a few years. The new digital modes are a dream for weak signals both >> TX and RX. I'm really enjoying WSJT-X and the new FT-8 mode. >> >> As to the receiver in the KX3, it is darn good. However, noise on >> frequency can not be removed by any filtering. It just stomps on the >> receiver and its AGC. As a suggestion, use the attenuator and/or back >> the RF Gain down. Based on work of Rob Sherwood and others, optimum >> receiver performance is attained when the receiver noise floor is some 10 >> dB to 15 dB below band noise. Since we can't actually change the receiver >> noise floor, we can bring the signals and noise down close to the receiver >> noise floor with the internal attenuator and RF Gain. Most hams run too >> much RF gain thinking it is necessary to hear weak signals. More gain = >> more noise. Law of Physics.......with a few exceptions usually not >> available to hams. Think absolute zero and super cooled semiconductors. >> >> To do the math, if the KX3 noise floor is -125 dBm and the band is at -97 >> dBm or S-5 the difference is 28 dB. Accounting for having the receiver >> noise floor 10 dB below the signal, this says the receiver should have a >> combination of 18 dB attenuation and RF Gain reduction thereby bringing the >> signal + noise to about -115 dBm. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> On 8/11/2017 11:33 AM, Mike Parkes wrote: >> >>> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback >>> if anyone cares to chime in. >>> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I >>> am >>> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the >>> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). >>> >>> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love >>> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much >>> of >>> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to >>> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines >>> for >>> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is >>> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >>> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one >>> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could >>> help >>> with that.) >>> >>> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just >>> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or >>> is >>> the base loaded vertical a joke? >>> >>> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and >>> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. >>> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some >>> local >>> AM stations. :) >>> >>> Mike AB7RU >>> >>> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to >>> get >>> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like >>> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match >>> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... >>> but >>> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >>> >>> >> >> > From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Aug 31 12:29:12 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:29:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is it my KX3/antenna or is it lousy band condx? In-Reply-To: References: <37436e1d-3bcb-9013-66e5-b33813e401f8@blomand.net> Message-ID: Mike, are you AB7RU? I was looking for resources near you. I don?t see any 10 m repeaters in eastern Washington or in Idaho, so that is out. You might listen for the daily 10-10 SSB nets. http://www.ten-ten.org/index.php/activity/daily-nets There are also some 10 m beacons. http://www.ten-ten.org/index.php/resources/ten-meter-beacons wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 31, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Mike Parkes wrote: > > Bob, > Thank you very much for sharing all that. I like your dipole approach > there, getting at least one end up in the air at the roof level of that > condo. I could possibly do something like that, slingshot a line to the > rooftop of this apt bldg somehow ... Maybe with some kind of batman grapple > hook thing on the end that can snag on something hi. My big concern here is > how close the power lines are. Anyway. I am still mulling it over and > continue to work with the buddistick (or the metal downspout on this bldg > which tunes up surprisingly well on all bands). > > Mostly I am just trying to keep the faith right now that something will > work out here. There is a lot of background noise here...tuning across the > bands I hear one weird "signal" after the other, swooshing in and out as i > tune the bands, which must be the horrid interference thrown out from all > the WiFi routers around here... 60 cycle noise, buzzes, pops, I mean it is > a real cacophony of sounds. There must be all kinds of intermodulation > sorts of interference, the rfi mixing with the kx3's receiver. The NB and > NR of the kx3 actually does a good job knocking a lot of that back. So far > not one contact though. Trying *not* to see my investment as a rather > expensive mini boat anchor. > > I think I will buy some China HT and at least get on 2 meters (not sure I > am ready to spend the $260 on a 2 meter module for the kx3 just yet, > although I will probably add it at some point anyway.) > > I wish there was some way to at least scare up some local 10 meter (line of > sight) activity here so that I could at determine if this radio is > transmitting okay. Some local HF qso's would be great... But I am not a > part of a local ham club or anything here to try and set up a sked with > anyone. Anyway... I appreciate your thoughts there, I am still trying to > figure out what I really hope to get out of ham radio. So far it is QSOs on > this Elecraft mailing list :) which is a great group here... This band is > always open as long as the internet works. :) 73s, mike. > > On Aug 13, 2017 7:18 PM, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" wrote: > >> Mike: >> >> Glad to share my thoughts and experiences. >> >> As to using a dipole, feed it in the center with coax RG-58, RG-8X. And >> the dipole does not have to be in a straight line. On the balcony or >> patio, a single center support and droop the ends down in an inverted V >> style. Or stretch it out as straight as you can between two supports and >> droop the ends if it is longer than the two supports are spaced. >> >> I used both of these combinations when we lived in a condo in South FL. >> With one of my antennas I had it vertical by dropping a Dacron fishing >> line from the roof of a 3 story building down to our balcony on the 2nd >> floor. I moved it away, sideways from the balcony so as not to attract the >> attention the upstairs neighbor. Connected the end of my 20 M dipole and >> hauled it up such that the feed point was about at the ceiling level of our >> balcony or the floor level of the upstairs neighbor. The other end made it >> just about to the ground. A nice fishing weight attached to the lower end >> kept thing taught. I used some #30 Teflon covered wire which was white. >> Looked more like a spider web and couldn't be seen from 15 ft or so against >> the white building. I just tied a knot in the end and attached the >> Dacron. The center insulator was a piece of plastic from a milk jug, and >> the #30 wire was not stripped but just tied with a couple of 1" or so >> pigtails. Strip the ends and attach the coax. Found some white marine >> RG58 for the feed line. It was in place for about 6 years. No one noticed >> or said anything. Worked great. Fortunately our condo was only 30 units >> most of which were seasonal occupancy. Thus empty most of the year. Only >> about 12 to 15 full time residents. >> >> Just be creative. The site I refer to is that of DJ0IP. He designs >> antennas for portable operation, back pack operation and such. Thus small, >> compact and lightweight. He also has great information on >> baluns........good ones........and bad ones. Correct applications and >> incorrect applications. >> >> Yes, digital modes are very conducive to low power and noise conditions. >> The new FT8 mode which is included in the WSJT-X latest version is fast and >> good. Not a rag chew mode by any means, but one can make contacts with >> the simple exchange of calls, grid squares, signal reports, 73 and log >> it. Lots of activity on that mode. Much faster, actually 4 times, than >> JT-65 which is more like watching paint dry. I've been active on 6M the >> past 2 weeks on FT-8 mode and this weekend with the Perseid meteor shower >> using MSK144. >> >> If you are trying to work the lower frequencies, below 7 MHz, you will >> really need a much larger antenna. Not saying it can't be done but more >> antenna and more power is generally required. For a while I use my >> mobile HF Hustler antenna and a pair of vice grip pliers to clamp the >> insulated base to the rail around the balcony. Worked OK but I was also >> running 100 watts. >> >> Good luck, let me know if I can assist. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> K3S s/n 10163 >> >> On 8/13/2017 8:13 PM, Mike Parkes wrote: >> >> Hi Bob >> Thank you for your detailed reply! As for radials, I am just using the one >> radial that came in the kit. It has to be tuned for each band. My setup has >> to be taken down and set up each time so a lot of radials could be an issue. >> >> I like your 20 MTR dipole thought. I have always had good results with >> wires. I could possibly string up a 20m dipole. >> >> The digital modes are great I used to work a lot of that, and getting back >> on those modes could help with weak signal work. >> >> And your points on the attenuation and backing off rf gain are great. I >> was totally unaware of how that could help with noise on the bands. >> Thanks again, excellent help >> 73 >> mike >> >> On Aug 11, 2017 10:04 AM, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" wrote: >> >>> Mike: >>> >>> Comments in general..........the bands aren't in the best of conditions. >>> Summertime makes for static crashes being created some 500+ miles away on >>> 40 meters. And living in the midst of other apartments and power lines >>> doesn't help. Then to make matters seemingly worse, a vertical seems more >>> prone to pick up noise as noise is largely a vertical component. >>> >>> As to the vertical, my experience with verticals is that they do require >>> a significant ground radial system in order to reduce the radiation loss. >>> This is even after "tuning" for a low SWR. And your "mighty" amount of >>> power doesn't help your cause either. HI HI. I'd try a simple coax fed >>> dipole for say 20M which shouldn't be to difficult to get in the air a few >>> feet there at the apartment. I operated from a ground floor condo unit >>> for a few years. The new digital modes are a dream for weak signals both >>> TX and RX. I'm really enjoying WSJT-X and the new FT-8 mode. >>> >>> As to the receiver in the KX3, it is darn good. However, noise on >>> frequency can not be removed by any filtering. It just stomps on the >>> receiver and its AGC. As a suggestion, use the attenuator and/or back >>> the RF Gain down. Based on work of Rob Sherwood and others, optimum >>> receiver performance is attained when the receiver noise floor is some 10 >>> dB to 15 dB below band noise. Since we can't actually change the receiver >>> noise floor, we can bring the signals and noise down close to the receiver >>> noise floor with the internal attenuator and RF Gain. Most hams run too >>> much RF gain thinking it is necessary to hear weak signals. More gain = >>> more noise. Law of Physics.......with a few exceptions usually not >>> available to hams. Think absolute zero and super cooled semiconductors. >>> >>> To do the math, if the KX3 noise floor is -125 dBm and the band is at -97 >>> dBm or S-5 the difference is 28 dB. Accounting for having the receiver >>> noise floor 10 dB below the signal, this says the receiver should have a >>> combination of 18 dB attenuation and RF Gain reduction thereby bringing the >>> signal + noise to about -115 dBm. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> >>> On 8/11/2017 11:33 AM, Mike Parkes wrote: >>> >>>> Okay I am reaching our to the Elecraft enthusiasts here for some feedback >>>> if anyone cares to chime in. >>>> I am just getting back on the air after years away from the hobby, so I >>>> am >>>> not that familiar with band conditions in general. It looks like the >>>> sunspot cycle is heading for the cellar (if it isn't already there). >>>> >>>> Recently bought a KX3 and a Buddistick vertical (like, 2 weeks ago). Love >>>> the KX3 it is a great radio... however... so far my efforts to hear much >>>> of >>>> anything, much less make a contact with someone, has been frustrating to >>>> say the least. I live in an apartment and am surrounded by power lines >>>> for >>>> one thing. The background noise level on 40 is pretty bad varies but is >>>> s7-9 mostly. I took my setup to a nearby park and the bands were >>>> definitely quieter. So the local manmade noise level is an issue (and one >>>> reason I chose the KX3 was the hope that its rcvr and filtering could >>>> help >>>> with that.) >>>> >>>> Have yet to make a single contact, so I am just wondering if I just >>>> happened to choose a really lousy period of solar conditions for HF? Or >>>> is >>>> the base loaded vertical a joke? >>>> >>>> I would love to be able to find another ham even close by just to try and >>>> get some sort of an HF QSO even if it is with someone down the block. >>>> ...I can tune down to the AM broadcast band and was able to hear some >>>> local >>>> AM stations. :) >>>> >>>> Mike AB7RU >>>> >>>> (On a side note the tuner in the KX3 is great!. That thing was able to >>>> get >>>> a match for 80 meters on the Buddistick which was showing something like >>>> 25:1 swr. The KX3 tuner clicked and rattled for a while and found a match >>>> to <2:1. Not sure how much actual RF is going out, probably not much... >>>> but >>>> I was amazed it could tune to that high an SWR.) >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 12:36:27 2017 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:36:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, I think that last point is often overloaded and bears repeating. With rigs like the KX2 or KX3, it's a common practice to connect the radiating element directly to the rig and put the other end as high as possible. In that case, 'SWR' is kinda meaningless, as the built in 'ATU' is actually matching the output to the impedance at the antenna feed point. The KX2 does this amazingly well, and I'm glad I sprung for that option. In any other case, I tend to shy away from built in tuners or tuners in the shack, and instead use a remote automatic coupler at the feed point (I use the SGC 230 at home). Good conversation. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:25 AM Jim Brown wrote: > Please don't perpetuate that myth, Bill. Tuners do NOT reduce the SWR > unless they're at the antenna end of a transmission line. The SWR exists > on the transmission line, and it is determined ENTIRELY by the match > between the transmission line and the load. > > What tuners at the rig do is get the rig to put power into the tuner > (and hopefully, onto the transmission line). If the SWR is high without > the tuner, it is equally high WITH the tuner. Depending on the cable, > the frequency, and the SWR, much of the power that the rig puts into the > tuner gets to the transmission line, but is turned into heat by the SWR > in the line and doesn't get to the antenna. > > A better way to talk and think about this is to say that the tuner can > match a wide variety of loads to the transmitter sufficiently well that > the rig can pump the maximum power from its output terminals, whether > it's feeding a short wet string or a nice long wire we've launched into > a tree. And if there's no transmission line, SWR has no meaning! So SWR > is the wrong way to talk and think about it. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 8/30/2017 10:15 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > My experience with the tuners in both the K3 and KX3 are that they > > will reach an acceptable SWR with anything. I always check the antenna > > when they take a long time to reach a match. (I.e. lots of clicking.) > > Most of the time I find I am trying to match an open antenna connection. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Aug 31 13:46:35 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 10:46:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I'm going to add that nearly every UPS made is meant to bridge the time between when the power goes out, and the (automatic) generator starts. If you don't have a generator, the UPS signals the computer(s) so that they can shut down gracefully and turn the UPS off. The (typically AGM lead-acid) batteries are sized for maybe 15 minutes, which is way too fast. Drawing a lead-acid battery flat in 15 minutes will kill it in only a few cycles. What I did as part of my ISP was to remove the batteries from my UPSes and replace 7 or 12Ah batteries with 100Ah batteries outside the case. That didn't get me to the 10 hours for maximum battery life, but it got me to 8 hours..... Jim's suggestion also lets you size the battery to run all the gear for more than a few minutes. 73 -- Lynn On 8/30/2017 8:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > A FAR better way to provide UPS for radio gear is a 12V deep discharge > lead acid battery or 14.4V LiFePO4 that is float charged by a suitable > power supply. And as has been discussed several times, LiFePO4 batteries > have the major advantage that their operating voltage stays above 13V > for most of their discharge curve, while lead-acid batteries are below > 12V for most of their discharge curve. This system is as quiet as the > power supply used to float-charge the battery. > > With either battery type, care must be taken to not overcharge the battery. > > 73, Jim K9YC From KY5G at montac.com Thu Aug 31 13:47:04 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:47:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Now THAT is intriguing to me... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 > But how small would the K1 be if made with SMT's and a few toroids. Ooohhh.. > > 73, Byron N6NUL > From KY5G at montac.com Thu Aug 31 13:50:53 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:50:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <316ed72b-3505-8f40-fe09-f0426f5f4488@montac.com> Jim has a point here, of course.? I'm only 53, but my once "aviator-quality" vision now requires quite a bit of augmentation to do close work like SMT... But I plan to fight it EVERY step of the way....? More magnification, more light, hell...? I'll use robot hands if I need to.? I like building! ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G On 8/30/2017 11:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/30/2017 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken wrote: >> I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. > > As you get older, you will. Eyes, steadiness of hand, eye-hand > coordination, all can make working with SMT a challenge. Mine will be > 76 years old in a few months. Several years ago, I learned just enough > to do relatively simple SMT work with fairly large SMT components in a > band pass filter kit. I couldn't even SEE the smaller SMT components > in that kit, and called in reinforcements. > > 73, Jim K9YC From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Aug 31 13:53:49 2017 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 10:53:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5DA08CAE-1342-4D68-9DC8-6FD829298EAE@wunderwood.org> They could call it the K1x, just to keep things confusing. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Now THAT is intriguing to me... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> But how small would the K1 be if made with SMT's and a few toroids. Ooohhh.. >> >> 73, Byron N6NUL >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w6jhb at me.com Thu Aug 31 14:00:07 2017 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <316ed72b-3505-8f40-fe09-f0426f5f4488@montac.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <316ed72b-3505-8f40-fe09-f0426f5f4488@montac.com> Message-ID: <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> Guys - I?m about to hit the magic ?70? mark and have been using +250 readers for quite a while. I?ve also been a stamp collector since age eight. Bad eyes and stamp collectinig don?t go together very well! The readers are fine for reading (duhhhh) but when it comes to really small, close-up examination of stamps, I got out my checkbook several years ago and purchased a fairly inexpensive (~$350) stereo microscope. Couple years ago I took the plunge and built my first SMT-based QRP rig. In addition to some really small resistors and capacitors, it also had a couple of the 64 and 128 pin IC?s. Using that microscope made it a breeze. I?ve since built several SMT-based kits and find it quite easy with a microscope to see what one is doing. Now, unstable hands are quite another thing? :-( So, if Elecraft ever starts offering SMT kits, one of this units is the only way to go. Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Jim has a point here, of course. I'm only 53, but my once > "aviator-quality" vision now requires quite a bit of augmentation to do > close work like SMT... > > But I plan to fight it EVERY step of the way.... More magnification, > more light, hell... I'll use robot hands if I need to. I like building! > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > > On 8/30/2017 11:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On 8/30/2017 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken wrote: >>> I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. >> >> As you get older, you will. Eyes, steadiness of hand, eye-hand >> coordination, all can make working with SMT a challenge. Mine will be >> 76 years old in a few months. Several years ago, I learned just enough >> to do relatively simple SMT work with fairly large SMT components in a >> band pass filter kit. I couldn't even SEE the smaller SMT components >> in that kit, and called in reinforcements. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From roneymonte at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 14:20:03 2017 From: roneymonte at gmail.com (roney) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:20:03 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <316ed72b-3505-8f40-fe09-f0426f5f4488@montac.com> <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> Message-ID: Luckily to have mine K1, bought this year. I intended to buy another one by the end of this year. Now I have to safely keep it as a jewel! https://www.flickr.com/photos/roney/34754819981/ Great little rig... 73 de PY1ZB On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:00 PM, James Bennett wrote: > Guys - I?m about to hit the magic ?70? mark and have been using +250 > readers for quite a while. I?ve also been a stamp collector since age > eight. Bad eyes and stamp collectinig don?t go together very well! The > readers are fine for reading (duhhhh) but when it comes to really small, > close-up examination of stamps, I got out my checkbook several years ago > and purchased a fairly inexpensive (~$350) stereo microscope. Couple years > ago I took the plunge and built my first SMT-based QRP rig. In addition to > some really small resistors and capacitors, it also had a couple of the 64 > and 128 pin IC?s. Using that microscope made it a breeze. I?ve since built > several SMT-based kits and find it quite easy with a microscope to see what > one is doing. Now, unstable hands are quite another thing? :-( > > So, if Elecraft ever starts offering SMT kits, one of this units is the > only way to go. > > Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > > > > Jim has a point here, of course. I'm only 53, but my once > > "aviator-quality" vision now requires quite a bit of augmentation to do > > close work like SMT... > > > > But I plan to fight it EVERY step of the way.... More magnification, > > more light, hell... I'll use robot hands if I need to. I like building! > > > > ______________________ > > Clay Autery, KY5G > > > > On 8/30/2017 11:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 8/30/2017 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken wrote: > >>> I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components. > >> > >> As you get older, you will. Eyes, steadiness of hand, eye-hand > >> coordination, all can make working with SMT a challenge. Mine will be > >> 76 years old in a few months. Several years ago, I learned just enough > >> to do relatively simple SMT work with fairly large SMT components in a > >> band pass filter kit. I couldn't even SEE the smaller SMT components > >> in that kit, and called in reinforcements. > >> > >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to roneymonte at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 31 14:21:34 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <316ed72b-3505-8f40-fe09-f0426f5f4488@montac.com> <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> Message-ID: <3c35e04d-f767-8441-1b38-a6e2da6ae600@foothill.net> There is one infirmity that has not yet been mentioned that degrades one's ability to work with SMT devices ... allergies.? One sneeze and your project is over. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, James Bennett wrote: > Guys - I?m about to hit the magic ?70? mark and have been using +250 readers for quite a while. I?ve also been a stamp collector since age eight. Bad eyes and stamp collectinig don?t go together very well! The readers are fine for reading (duhhhh) but when it comes to really small, close-up examination of stamps, I got out my checkbook several years ago and purchased a fairly inexpensive (~$350) stereo microscope. Couple years ago I took the plunge and built my first SMT-based QRP rig. In addition to some really small resistors and capacitors, it also had a couple of the 64 and 128 pin IC?s. Using that microscope made it a breeze. I?ve since built several SMT-based kits and find it quite easy with a microscope to see what one is doing. Now, unstable hands are quite another thing? :-( > > So, if Elecraft ever starts offering SMT kits, one of this units is the only way to go. > > Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > From scott.small at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 14:35:47 2017 From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:35:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: There are also UPSes meant for extended runtimes that are a little less brutal on the batteries. One Upon a Time, I had a couple racks of APC SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended holdup to a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF noisy those units are, though. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT < KX3.1 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > I'm going to add that nearly every UPS made is meant to bridge the time > between when the power goes out, and the (automatic) generator starts. > > If you don't have a generator, the UPS signals the computer(s) so that > they can shut down gracefully and turn the UPS off. > > The (typically AGM lead-acid) batteries are sized for maybe 15 minutes, > which is way too fast. Drawing a lead-acid battery flat in 15 minutes will > kill it in only a few cycles. > > What I did as part of my ISP was to remove the batteries from my UPSes and > replace 7 or 12Ah batteries with 100Ah batteries outside the case. > > That didn't get me to the 10 hours for maximum battery life, but it got me > to 8 hours..... > > Jim's suggestion also lets you size the battery to run all the gear for > more than a few minutes. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 8/30/2017 8:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> A FAR better way to provide UPS for radio gear is a 12V deep discharge >> lead acid battery or 14.4V LiFePO4 that is float charged by a suitable >> power supply. And as has been discussed several times, LiFePO4 batteries >> have the major advantage that their operating voltage stays above 13V for >> most of their discharge curve, while lead-acid batteries are below 12V for >> most of their discharge curve. This system is as quiet as the power supply >> used to float-charge the battery. >> >> With either battery type, care must be taken to not overcharge the >> battery. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com > -- Scott Small From scott.small at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 14:37:34 2017 From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:37:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: That said, for my own use, I've got a 100Ah LFP from Blackwood Innovations for my ham hear; BioEnno has units all the way up to 300Ah for the deep-of-pocker. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Tox wrote: > There are also UPSes meant for extended runtimes that are a little less > brutal on the batteries. One Upon a Time, I had a couple racks of APC > SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended holdup to > a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF noisy those > units are, though. > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT < > KX3.1 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > >> I'm going to add that nearly every UPS made is meant to bridge the time >> between when the power goes out, and the (automatic) generator starts. >> >> If you don't have a generator, the UPS signals the computer(s) so that >> they can shut down gracefully and turn the UPS off. >> >> The (typically AGM lead-acid) batteries are sized for maybe 15 minutes, >> which is way too fast. Drawing a lead-acid battery flat in 15 minutes will >> kill it in only a few cycles. >> >> What I did as part of my ISP was to remove the batteries from my UPSes >> and replace 7 or 12Ah batteries with 100Ah batteries outside the case. >> >> That didn't get me to the 10 hours for maximum battery life, but it got >> me to 8 hours..... >> >> Jim's suggestion also lets you size the battery to run all the gear for >> more than a few minutes. >> >> 73 -- Lynn >> >> On 8/30/2017 8:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> A FAR better way to provide UPS for radio gear is a 12V deep discharge >>> lead acid battery or 14.4V LiFePO4 that is float charged by a suitable >>> power supply. And as has been discussed several times, LiFePO4 batteries >>> have the major advantage that their operating voltage stays above 13V for >>> most of their discharge curve, while lead-acid batteries are below 12V for >>> most of their discharge curve. This system is as quiet as the power supply >>> used to float-charge the battery. >>> >>> With either battery type, care must be taken to not overcharge the >>> battery. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Scott Small > > > > -- Scott Small From jeremiah.peschka at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 15:49:21 2017 From: jeremiah.peschka at gmail.com (Jeremiah Peschka) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:49:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and P3 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm lowering the price to $3700 and will pay for shipping within the continental United States. Either email at jeremiah.peschka at gmail.com or you can call/text to +1.614.388.8264 On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:14 AM Jeremiah Peschka wrote: > K3S and P3 for sale. Factory assembled. Originally purchased on 6/10/15 > for $5,111. > > Total package: $4,000 - shipping not included. > > Contact Jeremiah, KG7TXV, at jeremiah.peschka at gmail.com > > More details follow: > > K3S serial number: 10017 > P3 serial number: 3859 > > Includes the following (factory installed) options: > > - 100W upgrade for K3/K3S > - ATU for K3/K3S > - Standard 5 ppm Oscillator > - 2.7 kHz Elecraft Filter > - 2.1 kHz, 8 pole roofing filter > - K3 250 Hz, 8 Pole Filter > - K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter > - FM-bandwidth,8-pole roofing filter > - K144XV REFLOCK > - 2M Module for K3/10 > - P3-F Panadapter for the K3 > - SS30DV Sw. Pwr Supply, 14.1V, 25A > > K3 Book also included. > > Due to timing and life changes, this unit has only seen about 4 hours of > use, none of that is transmitting. > > -- > > Jeremiah Peschka > -- Jeremiah Peschka From KY5G at montac.com Thu Aug 31 15:55:20 2017 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:55:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <3c35e04d-f767-8441-1b38-a6e2da6ae600@foothill.net> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <316ed72b-3505-8f40-fe09-f0426f5f4488@montac.com> <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> <3c35e04d-f767-8441-1b38-a6e2da6ae600@foothill.net> Message-ID: <69b050fd-aaf8-7992-2925-13d5f6b65546@montac.com> LOL!!? Well, yeah, if you have all the parts out in a pile...? I have organizers I use so that I never have more out on the work surface than absolutely required.? And I don't even have allergies...? but I have had a sneeze scatter little parts before. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G On 8/31/2017 1:21 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > There is one infirmity that has not yet been mentioned that degrades > one's ability to work with SMT devices ... allergies.? One sneeze and > your project is over. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 31 17:36:06 2017 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <3c35e04d-f767-8441-1b38-a6e2da6ae600@foothill.net> References: <780651557.347487.1504107387948@mail.yahoo.com> <1504146602713-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <8d165b33-73a3-9582-811d-f9e6f33b6a4c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <316ed72b-3505-8f40-fe09-f0426f5f4488@montac.com> <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> <3c35e04d-f767-8441-1b38-a6e2da6ae600@foothill.net> Message-ID: Coffee. In the early 1980's I was working on a new PA design for Phoenix Missile.? The original design used relatively narrow band klystons, and we needed more BW for, well, never mind.? So the new design used a three-stage IMPATT diode amplifier (injection-locked oscillator in reality). A single diode driving a three-diode combiner driving a 16-diode combiner.? The IMPATTs needed to be pretty well matched, a real problem with the state of the art at the time. So before we characterized each one in a test fixture, we serialized them.? Mind you these were microwave packages with a ceramic pill mounted on a 1/8" diameter gold-plated copper flange with a 3-48 stud on the bottom.? We just used a very fine probe to scratch the 10 digit serial number on the flange.? I could do about 30 diodes first thing in the morning.? After that and a cup or two of coffee I was done for the day. Wes? N7WS ?On 8/31/2017 11:21 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > There is one infirmity that has not yet been mentioned that degrades one's > ability to work with SMT devices ... allergies.? One sneeze and your project > is over. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County From K2TK at att.net Thu Aug 31 17:42:14 2017 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:42:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS In-Reply-To: <762129366.457181.1504115775426@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f0309b3-0351-348a-23bc-49ea35123663@embarqmail.com> <6DF51B64-4373-4747-828E-B2C39D8FAB48@gmail.com> <5cc39a52-029c-ddd2-f71d-ab1735b8712b@embarqmail.com> <762129366.457181.1504115775426@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1638a006-fe5b-acdb-5c8b-d62fd7bb3e0a@att.net> Well maybe more shacks should have that capability. It is not expensive as here: https://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504119777&sr=8-3&keywords=power+meter Certainly not lab grade but good as even just a shack line monitor or bench tool. Another useful application, and I always have it on to monitor the output of the backup generator. I can see output voltage and line freq. Seeing within a few cycles of 60 lets me know that engine speed is being regulated correctly. Disclaimer: Inadequate for future KPA1500 owners. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/30/2017 1:56 PM, Mike Maloney wrote: > Oh my!? The KPA500 is more efficient than you give it credit.???Since few have instruments to measure ac input parameters, will volunteer actual measurement figures.At 650W output into 50 ohm load, highest VA recorded was at 14.1 MHz at 1166.? Watts 974 with a pf of 0.83 or 83%.?? AC input amps 10.3.?? Awesome! > 73,Mike? AC5P > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:28 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > > Tom, > > That 3000 watts I mentioned is for everything in the station. > The KPA500 alone needs 120 volts at about 13 amps, maybe peaking to > something greater. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/30/2017 8:16 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote: >> 3000W at 120V is 25 amps.? He had better have a dedicate circuit.? I believe if I had to run a dedicated circuit I would run a 220 circuit for the amp and put everything else on the UPS. From w0fm at swbell.net Thu Aug 31 17:51:26 2017 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:51:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Drone antenna launch Field portable! Changed topic. In-Reply-To: <275bbebe-648c-1dd4-ba13-7179fac328e0@rthorne.net> References: <20170831.075414.14121.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> <275bbebe-648c-1dd4-ba13-7179fac328e0@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <006c01d322a3$4e8578a0$eb9069e0$@swbell.net> I have been using a Blade CX2 RC helicopter to fly antenna wires up above tree tops for quite a few years now. I had added an LED nav light kit to the CX2 (red, green plus white landing light) and it runs off a simple on/off toggle on the transmitter. I installed a small servo on the belly of the chopper that uses the servo arm to pull a piano-wire pin out of a U-shaped block of balsa wood. The fish line antenna leader is hooked over the piano wire. I installed a "Y" adapter to the navigation light circuit on the chopper and used it to fully activate the add-on (parallel) servo, which released the antenna lead-in line when it was properly hovering above the target tree. So, when I flipped the nav light toggle to ON, the hook wire pulled back and released the fish line. Took some experimenting with weights on the leader line to plow through some of the dense branches, but finally got it pretty consistent. This started years before the word "drone" was common in R/C. Plain old radio-controlled helicopter (remember those?) Terry, W?FM -----Original Message----- From: Richard Thorne [mailto:rthorne at rthorne.net] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:11 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Drone antenna launch Field portable! Changed topic. John, Do use a separate receiver in order to activate the release or is there an extra slot on the drone receiver? I'm assuming your using a bind - n - fly drone. If it's home brew with your own receiver then it probably has a spare slot that you can program a switch to? Rich - N5ZC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 31 17:53:21 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:53:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <9900b953-4d09-a024-679a-d95b6eeb7528@audiosystemsgroup.com> Good observations, Lynn.? A few more. First, I failed to observe that my 100Ah LiFePO4 battery runs ONLY my K3s. A big lead-acid from Costco runs other 12V gear and LED lighting. I do NOT try to provide UPS for power amps.? If I need them, I'll fire up the big 240V generator. Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life. The objective is to have the unit ready to do it all again if power drops, then returns, then drops again.? This intentional design goal kills batteries pretty quickly. Perhaps by accident, I found Cyber Power branded UPS units that 1) claim an 8 hour charging rate and 2) FCC Part 15 Class B compliance for their pseudo-sinewave units. I have two of them in my shack with a 160M vertical only 25 ft away, and with good chokes on their wiring, can't hear any noise when they're in standby mode.? Haven't checked for noise when they're inverting. I use one to keep an ancient tower computer running, and the second one to backup the 120V accessories -- rotator controllers and SteppIR controller -- and the laptop PSU is plugged in there. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/31/2017 10:46 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Jim's suggestion also lets you size the battery to run all the gear > for more than a few minutes. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 31 17:56:51 2017 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:56:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: On 8/31/2017 11:35 AM, Tox wrote: > I had a couple racks of APC > SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended holdup to > a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF noisy those > units are, though. All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15 Class A (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use, roughly 20 dB worse than Class B). 73, Jim K9YC From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Aug 31 18:09:29 2017 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:09:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry Jim. You are indeed correct about the feedline SWR. While there are other SWRs within the radio, they aren't of much interest. However, these radios do report a SWR in the UI, and that is what I was referring to. Since a naive user might look at that figure and say, "The SWR is 2. The antenna must be good.", it is important to know that the tuners can produce a low figure on that meter with nothing connected to the antenna connector. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/30/17 at 11:25 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >Please don't perpetuate that myth, Bill.? Tuners do NOT reduce >the SWR unless they're at the antenna end of a transmission >line. The SWR exists on the transmission line, and it is >determined ENTIRELY by the match between the transmission line >and the load. > >What tuners at the rig do is get the rig to put power into the >tuner (and hopefully, onto the transmission line).? If the SWR >is high without the tuner, it is equally high WITH the tuner. >Depending on the cable, the frequency, and the SWR, much of the >power that the rig puts into the tuner gets to the transmission >line, but is turned into heat by the SWR in the line and >doesn't get to the antenna. > >A better way to talk and think about this is to say that the >tuner can match a wide variety of loads to the transmitter >sufficiently well that the rig can pump the maximum power from >its output terminals, whether it's feeding a short wet string >or a nice long wire we've launched into a tree. And if there's >no transmission line, SWR has no meaning!? So SWR is the wrong >way to talk and think about it. > >73, Jim K9YC > >On 8/30/2017 10:15 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>My experience with the tuners in both the K3 and KX3 are that >>they will reach an acceptable SWR with anything. I always >>check the antenna when they take a long time to reach a match. >>(I.e. lots of clicking.) Most of the time I find I am trying >>to match an open antenna connection. > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to frantz at pwpconsult.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Aug 31 18:09:28 2017 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:09:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <9F041C89-7A95-4C06-B33E-4789C5CABC29@me.com> Message-ID: I started with a magnifier on an arm with a circular florescent lamp. I still use this device for anything which needs a bit of magnification including inspecting thru-hole boards and fixing knitting mistakes. I assembled a number of kits with SMT parts using this magnifier. I then got a cheap head-mounted magnifier with a built in LED light. It gives more magnification, but I haven't used it in any important project yet. It has the advantage of being portable, so it can go to field day to makes repairs. Then I came across a Bausch and Lomb zoom binocular microscope with a ring light for $120 at an electronics flea market. After checking it out, I quickly paid the seller. It is excellent for inspecting SMT parts for good solder connections. All of these devices can help with construction projects. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/31/17 at 11:00 AM, w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) wrote: >Guys - I?m about to hit the magic ?70? mark and have been >using +250 readers for quite a while. I?ve also been a stamp >collector since age eight. Bad eyes and stamp collectinig >don?t go together very well! The readers are fine for reading >(duhhhh) but when it comes to really small, close-up >examination of stamps, I got out my checkbook several years ago >and purchased a fairly inexpensive (~$350) stereo microscope. >Couple years ago I took the plunge and built my first SMT-based >QRP rig. In addition to some really small resistors and >capacitors, it also had a couple of the 64 and 128 pin IC?s. >Using that microscope made it a breeze. I?ve since built >several SMT-based kits and find it quite easy with a microscope >to see what one is doing. Now, unstable hands are quite another >thing? :-( ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From n1rj at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 31 18:24:12 2017 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 18:24:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 auto power reduction Message-ID: <59A88C8C.6060001@roadrunner.com> The KPA-500 (and probably the KPA-1500) will automatically reduce the power from the K3 to a predetermined level for proper drive and back to the level from the power control when the amp is off. Is there a way to invoke this magic with other amplifiers? 73, Roger N1RJ From jim at n7us.net Thu Aug 31 18:26:12 2017 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:26:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <123801d322a8$287a4c30$796ee490$@n7us.net> I have an APC SmartUPS 700, which I bought many years ago from http://www.refurbups.com/. The manual says it's certified as Class B. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- On 8/31/2017 11:35 AM, Tox wrote: > I had a couple racks of APC > SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended > holdup to a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF > noisy those units are, though. All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15 Class A (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use, roughly 20 dB worse than Class B). 73, Jim K9YC jim at n7us.net From jim at n7us.net Thu Aug 31 18:29:18 2017 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:29:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: <123801d322a8$287a4c30$796ee490$@n7us.net> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <123801d322a8$287a4c30$796ee490$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <123a01d322a8$974dba20$c5e92e60$@n7us.net> I forgot to add that the manual says it produces a sine wave. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I have an APC SmartUPS 700, which I bought many years ago from http://www.refurbups.com/. The manual says it's certified as Class B. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- On 8/31/2017 11:35 AM, Tox wrote: > I had a couple racks of APC > SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended > holdup to a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF > noisy those units are, though. All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15 Class A (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use, roughly 20 dB worse than Class B). 73, Jim K9YC jim at n7us.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 31 19:17:51 2017 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product: Elecraft MH4 Microphone for the K2, K3, and K3S transceivers Message-ID: <52C042D0-7A4B-4B94-AE17-21B7D147DB27@elecraft.com> Our new MH4 microphone is an enhanced replacement for the MH2, which is no longer available. The MH4 is available now on our order page. The MH4 can be used with the K2, K3, and K3S transceivers. It has the same sensitive, high-performance element as the MH2, and can be used with the same bias and gain settings. Other than the plug, the MH4 is identical in appearance to our MH3 mic, used with the KX2/KX3. It has a slimmer, more modern form-factor than the MH2, along with a less bulky coiled cord and a removable bracket that can be used to hang the mic in mobile applications. The MH4 includes UP/DN buttons, which are already supported by K2/K3/K3S firmware. These are convenient for mobile operation, or for situations when you can?t reach the radio?s front panel easily. On a K3 or K3S, the UP/DN buttons move the VFO or do channel hopping, whichever is in effect. On a K2, they alternate between VFO A and B, allowing a quick check of two selected frequencies. 73, Wayne N6KR From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 31 19:33:47 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:33:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12b71323-3e2c-a31b-d609-3cef1d34366c@foothill.net> Of all the terms and jargon in ham radio, "Standing Wave Ratio" has to be at least in the top 5 misunderstood ones, and maybe even top 3.? It didn't even really enter the ham vocabulary until the middle of the last century. Helping a ham trying to use an 11 m vertical-ish wire on 80 m, was instructive.? Rig was a KX3 with ATU.? ATU indicated about 1.3:1 SWR, but no contacts.? EZNEC4 and TLW revealed the "gozinto" end of the coax looked like about 0.4+j ohms The totally misnamed "Antenna Tuner" matched that to what the radio thought was roughly 50 + j0 ohms [L-networks are good at that].? However, that network, plus I-squared R loss in the connectors, cable, and wire were eating almost all the power. Ultimately, center loading the wire raised the RR to about 20 ohms, lowered the reactance, and the ATU still reported about 1.3:1 SWR.? Only now, there were contacts now being made. My KAT2 will match a 1 foot RG-58 jumper on 15 meters to about 1.5:1 however I won't make many, if any, Q's. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County /31/2017 3:09 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > However, these radios do report a SWR in the UI, and that is what I > was referring to. Since a naive user might look at that figure and > say, "The SWR is 2. The antenna must be good.", it is important to > know that the tuners can produce a low figure on that meter with > nothing connected to the antenna connector. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 31 19:33:56 2017 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 18:33:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1af74748-4fe7-7b3e-b75a-f2890b63e955@blomand.net> One point to consider,? anytime one inserts a tuner in line at the transmitter, additional loss is also introduced. Additionally the SWR and related loss on the feedline is not reduced.?? Some tuners, depending on load and frequency, can introduce as much as 25% power loss. ? In many cases, a 2:1 SWR at the radio is better than using a tuner to show a 1:1 SWR at the radio due to added loss in the tuner and the feed line loss remains the same. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/31/2017 5:09 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Sorry Jim. You are indeed correct about the feedline SWR. While there > are other SWRs within the radio, they aren't of much interest. > > However, these radios do report a SWR in the UI, and that is what I > was referring to. Since a naive user might look at that figure and > say, "The SWR is 2. The antenna must be good.", it is important to > know that the tuners can produce a low figure on that meter with > nothing connected to the antenna connector. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 8/30/17 at 11:25 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: > >> Please don't perpetuate that myth, Bill. Tuners do NOT reduce the SWR >> unless they're at the antenna end of a transmission line. The SWR >> exists on the transmission line, and it is determined ENTIRELY by the >> match between the transmission line and the load. >> >> What tuners at the rig do is get the rig to put power into the tuner >> (and hopefully, onto the transmission line).? If the SWR is high >> without the tuner, it is equally high WITH the tuner. Depending on >> the cable, the frequency, and the SWR, much of the power that the rig >> puts into the tuner gets to the transmission line, but is turned into >> heat by the SWR in the line and doesn't get to the antenna. >> >> A better way to talk and think about this is to say that the tuner >> can match a wide variety of loads to the transmitter sufficiently >> well that the rig can pump the maximum power from its output >> terminals, whether it's feeding a short wet string or a nice long >> wire we've launched into a tree. And if there's no transmission line, >> SWR has no meaning!? So SWR is the wrong way to talk and think about it. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> On 8/30/2017 10:15 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> My experience with the tuners in both the K3 and KX3 are that they >>> will reach an acceptable SWR with anything. I always check the >>> antenna when they take a long time to reach a match. (I.e. lots of >>> clicking.) Most of the time I find I am trying to match an open >>> antenna connection. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to frantz at pwpconsult.com >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz??????? | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten > 408-356-8506?????? | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. > www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 31 19:44:17 2017 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:44:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 auto power reduction In-Reply-To: <59A88C8C.6060001@roadrunner.com> References: <59A88C8C.6060001@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: T amp tells the K3 that it is there and ON, and the K3 changes the power.? This happens through that fat cable between the AUX ports.? It might be communications on the AUXBUS, or a dedicated signal.? I don't know if Elecraft makes that protocol public or not but it wouldn't hurt to ask them directly. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/31/2017 3:24 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > The KPA-500 (and probably the KPA-1500) will automatically reduce the > power from the K3 to a predetermined level for proper drive and back to > the level from the power control when the amp is off. > > Is there a way to invoke this magic with other amplifiers? > > 73, Roger N1RJ From w8fn at tx.rr.com Thu Aug 31 20:09:52 2017 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:09:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: <9900b953-4d09-a024-679a-d95b6eeb7528@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <9900b953-4d09-a024-679a-d95b6eeb7528@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <40eb08a4-4c51-8c70-a7f1-b7d67957f944@tx.rr.com> Hmmm. I had a Cyber Power 1500VA unit for a while on my station, but one day I transmitted on 12 meters and something inside the thing made a "pop". This was followed by a loud "crack" and the UPS expired then and there. I should note I have an extremely difficult RF environment on my tiny urban lot (a second floor shack with a SteppIR 3L about 15 feet directly over the operating chair). This might have been a one-off thing, but if you're going to use one of the Cyber Power devices, check it at LOW RF levels on all bands for EMI problems. 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/31/2017 4:53 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Perhaps by accident, I found Cyber Power branded UPS units that 1) > claim an 8 hour charging rate and 2) FCC Part 15 Class B compliance > for their pseudo-sinewave units. I have two of them in my shack with a > 160M vertical only 25 ft away, and with good chokes on their wiring, > can't hear any noise when they're in standby mode. Haven't checked for > noise when they're inverting. From rpfjeld at outlook.com Thu Aug 31 21:33:03 2017 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 01:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: <1af74748-4fe7-7b3e-b75a-f2890b63e955@blomand.net> References: , <1af74748-4fe7-7b3e-b75a-f2890b63e955@blomand.net> Message-ID: I snipped as much as I could to shorten this up. See below. I think the problem lies in part that early manuals taught antenna theory by starting out with a random wire and a simple L tuner as you say, at the antenna end of the transmission line. The purpose was to add inductance or capacitance as needed to attempt to resonate the wire. So, the term ?tune the antenna? was used. And calling the matching devices ?tuners? doesn?t help correct the terminology either. Rich, n0ce From: Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:36 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A > > On 8/30/17 at 11:25 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: > >> Please don't perpetuate that myth, Bill. Tuners do NOT reduce the SWR >> unless they're at the antenna end of a transmission line. From scpki7l at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 21:33:57 2017 From: scpki7l at gmail.com (Stephen Peterson) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:33:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio Message-ID: Imagine what the WWII resistance/spies would have given for a KX2! Fun and interesting to look at the equipment they were using. Steve, Ki7L From john at kk9a.com Thu Aug 31 21:42:00 2017 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source Message-ID: <000101d322c3$819180c0$84b48240$@com> I have a couple CyberPower uninterruptable power supplies in my shack and I have noticed no issues RX or TX. John KK9A Randy Farmer w8fn wrote: Thu Aug 31 20:09:52 EDT 2017 Hmmm. I had a Cyber Power 1500VA unit for a while on my station, but one day I transmitted on 12 meters and something inside the thing made a "pop". This was followed by a loud "crack" and the UPS expired then and there. I should note I have an extremely difficult RF environment on my tiny urban lot (a second floor shack with a SteppIR 3L about 15 feet directly over the operating chair). This might have been a one-off thing, but if you're going to use one of the Cyber Power devices, check it at LOW RF levels on all bands for EMI problems. 73... Randy, W8FN From jim at n7us.net Thu Aug 31 21:50:04 2017 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:50:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: <123a01d322a8$974dba20$c5e92e60$@n7us.net> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <123801d322a8$287a4c30$796ee490$@n7us.net> <123a01d322a8$974dba20$c5e92e60$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <02ed01d322c4$a25e2690$e71a73b0$@n7us.net> And my old, but still functioning with a new battery, APC Back-UPS Office, 500VA/325W UPS is also certified Class B. It has a "stepped approximation to a sine wave." 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I forgot to add that the manual says it produces a sine wave. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I have an APC SmartUPS 700, which I bought many years ago from http://www.refurbups.com/. The manual says it's certified as Class B. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- On 8/31/2017 11:35 AM, Tox wrote: > I had a couple racks of APC > SmartUPS 2000 units with daisychained batteries to give extended > holdup to a couple of racks of telecom and server hw. No clue how RF > noisy those units are, though. All of the APC units for which I've seen spec sheets are FCC Part 15 Class A (the industrial spec, ILLEGAL to sell for residential use, roughly 20 dB worse than Class B). 73, Jim K9YC From pubx1 at af2z.net Thu Aug 31 22:17:17 2017 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:17:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An antenna current meter is pretty handy. I have a box of parts on my desk waiting to become one. At least when it shows zero current I'll be able to figure out pretty quickly that I forgot to connect the antenna, hehhe.. 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/31/17 18:09, Bill Frantz wrote: > Sorry Jim. You are indeed correct about the feedline SWR. While there > are other SWRs within the radio, they aren't of much interest. > > However, these radios do report a SWR in the UI, and that is what I was > referring to. Since a naive user might look at that figure and say, "The > SWR is 2. The antenna must be good.", it is important to know that the > tuners can produce a low figure on that meter with nothing connected to > the antenna connector. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > From pincon at erols.com Thu Aug 31 22:56:48 2017 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:56:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009601d322cd$f80e1970$e82a4c50$@erols.com> SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption. Much like cursive writing today is secret code for us "old" people. Chas -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Peterson Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:34 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio Imagine what the WWII resistance/spies would have given for a KX2! Fun and interesting to look at the equipment they were using. Steve, Ki7L ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Aug 31 23:16:45 2017 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:16:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source In-Reply-To: <9900b953-4d09-a024-679a-d95b6eeb7528@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1504091796939-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <89aea5c6-c2bb-d83a-3aae-9f87c82d3ef8@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <9900b953-4d09-a024-679a-d95b6eeb7528@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: It's not a bad design goal if you can plan on only 1 or 2 outages per year, if that. Probably not too bad if the generator kicks in and you only abuse the batteries for a few minutes. My observation was that the big APC units charged at about half the discharge rate, so yeah, charging too fast, but the discharge did more harm than charging. I was a 16 year old kid working his first real job in an auto parts store just after cars switched from 6v to 12v. We could order 8 volt lead-acid batteries, and I always thought that 6+8 was 14..... 73 - Lynn On 8/31/2017 2:53 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Second, a local computer guru, AE6KS, has observed that most UPS mfrs > charge batteries at too fast a rate for good battery life. The objective > is to have the unit ready to do it all again if power drops, then > returns, then drops again.? This intentional design goal kills batteries > pretty quickly. From ron at cobi.biz Thu Aug 31 23:17:55 2017 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d322d0$e7ccffb0$b766ff10$@biz> What an "antenna tuner" does for you depends upon where you install it. There are two places where a low SWR is important: the load the finals in the rig "see" and the load the transmission line "sees". In most HAM installations the load the finals see is probably the most critical because if it is not within specs the transmitter may shut down or the final amplifier devices may self-destruct. Fortunately, Elecraft rigs have protection against self destruction by reducing the output power as needed but having the power reduce automatically is seldom desirable to the operator. Before about the 1960's, the output tuning networks in Ham transmitters were adjustable to provide a decently-low SWR to the finals with a wide variety of loads. Back then with vacuum tube amps it was common to "dip the plate current and adjust the loading for rated plate current at the dip". That adjusted the output network for a proper match to the finals, but required adjustment when QSYing. Then "no tune" rigs appeared which met the more stringent FCC requirements for suppression of spurious emissions but required a proper load: typically 50 ohms non-reactive. A lot of antennas did NOT provide a "proper load" to the rig, so the use of antenna tuners became popular. Many rigs built the antenna tuner into the rig itself to ensure the final amplifier transistors (or tubes) always saw an acceptable load. That is the function of all of the built-in ATUs in the Elecraft rigs. That protects the finals in the rig but did nothing to help the load the transmission line "sees". As the transmission line sees a higher and higher SWR, its losses increase. That load is determined by the antenna. And, when it is not practical to adjust the antenna for a good load at all frequencies, remote antenna tuners have become more common when transmission line losses are too large. Many, if not most, Hams simply live with the increased transmission line losses up to the point where their transmission line fails by being over-stressed with the excessive currents or excessive voltages produced by the standing waves on the transmission line. This occurs most commonly in the coaxial lines used by most Hams at QRO powers. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:17 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A An antenna current meter is pretty handy. I have a box of parts on my desk waiting to become one. At least when it shows zero current I'll be able to figure out pretty quickly that I forgot to connect the antenna, hehhe.. 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/31/17 18:09, Bill Frantz wrote: > Sorry Jim. You are indeed correct about the feedline SWR. While there > are other SWRs within the radio, they aren't of much interest. > > However, these radios do report a SWR in the UI, and that is what I > was referring to. Since a naive user might look at that figure and > say, "The SWR is 2. The antenna must be good.", it is important to > know that the tuners can produce a low figure on that meter with > nothing connected to the antenna connector. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu Aug 31 23:20:11 2017 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:20:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio In-Reply-To: <009601d322cd$f80e1970$e82a4c50$@erols.com> References: <009601d322cd$f80e1970$e82a4c50$@erols.com> Message-ID: <4681b20a-d084-5c02-c0a9-0fb385b1d155@nk7z.net> That and counting change back... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 08/31/2017 07:56 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > SSB would have been the equivalent of encryption. > > Much like cursive writing today is secret code for us "old" people. > > Chas > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Peterson > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:34 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KX2, spy radio > > Imagine what the WWII resistance/spies would have given for a KX2! Fun and > interesting to look at the equipment they were using. > Steve, Ki7L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From greg4810 at att.net Thu Aug 31 23:28:45 2017 From: greg4810 at att.net (Greg) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:28:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Submission Message-ID: <2915F973-A3A4-40C5-A1CF-801F67D19C8C@att.net> Sent from my iPhone