[Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

Mon Sep 5 16:36:02 EDT 2016

From: jermo [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM
To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.

Just my 2c. 

[pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your “thinking” workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an equally important skill.

As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you’re pretty high end. 

Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF,  operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose equipment lends itself to that function. 

And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn’t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I’m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting.

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From: Peter W2IRT <lists at w2irt.net> 
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S 

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. 

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Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

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From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

Nice commercial. 

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. 
Which part of that isn't resonating? 

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end 
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. 

On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: 

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it 
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming 
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about 
> $6,000 on an outdated design? 
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> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! 
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