From mail at cvkimball.com Thu Sep 1 07:26:00 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 04:26:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared *** OOPs! *** In-Reply-To: <1471805861132-7621702.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> <1446a5ac-f4d2-452b-f8b8-238f9f5bd576@embarqmail.com> <1471724851637-7621690.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471805861132-7621702.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1472729160981-7622065.post@n2.nabble.com> My K3S is back and has worked properly for 10 days now. Thanks to all for the helpful comments. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7622065.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From avavra1 at verizon.net Thu Sep 1 12:21:26 2016 From: avavra1 at verizon.net (andrew vavra) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 16:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] A Message from Elecraft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413900180.3505328.1472746886748@mail.yahoo.com> Here's something that's rere DX... A message from a company ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO E-MAIL ME ! I want to get Elecraft eMails and really appreciate these guys asking. 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In-Reply-To: <1503745223.14238410.1472748962353.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2056386012.14282875.1472750341992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Hi all, I'm a new K3 owner, and haven't really even used the radio yet. It's at Elecraft right now getting the Synthesizer upgrade, and I need some help making a decision on filter configuration. My primary usage will be SSB and CW contesting, and very occasional SSB and CW DXing. I will have vertically polarized transmit antennas on 160m, 80m, and 40m, as well as a yagi or two on 40m. I will have beverages available for receive on all 3 bands. I would like to take advantage of diversity receive when running on the low bands in a contest. I am assuming that signals sometimes fade across polarities, so I thought it would be useful to listen on the transmit antenna on the main RX and listen on a beverage or other horizontally polarized antenna (e.g. dipole) on the SubRX. First question: Do any of you contesters do this, and is it useful? Second question: Assuming the answer to the first question is yes, what filters do I want to have at my disposal for this? Currently, my Rig 1 Main has 13 KHz, 6 KHz, 2.8 KHz, 400 Hz and 250 Hz, and my SubRX has 2.8 KHz, 2.1 KHz, 400 Hz, and 250 Hz. Elecraft will be removing the 13 KHz, which enables me to have them move the 2.1 from the Sub to the Main if I want to do that. I just bought a second K3, call it Rig 2, that only has a pair of 2.7's and a pair of 250's. So I was thinking about pulling the 400 from the SubRX of Rig 1 and putting it in the Main of Rig 2, and moving the 2.1 from the Rig 1 SubRX to the Rig 1 Main RX. Then I might want to also buy another 2.1 for the main of Rig 2. By doing this, I would end up with essentially identical filter configurations in both radios: Sideband filters plus 250's in both main and sub, plus a 2.1 and a 400 in the main of both radios. What I really need to know is: For SSB, do I really need (want) to have a pair of matching 2.1's in both main and sub for diversity, or is a pair of 2.8's / 2.7's sufficient? For CW, do I really need (want) to have a pair of matching 400's in both main and sub for diversity, or is a pair of 2.8's / 2.7's plus a pair of 250's sufficient? If having matching 2.1's and/or 400's in main and sub is needed to get the most use of the Diversity feature, then I would just need to add a 2.1 in the main of Rig 1, but then buy a whole bunch of new filters for Rig 2. So I guess the question boils down to: Do I want to spend $140 or $420 or $700 ? :-) Input from contesters with diversity receive experience would be most appreciated. Have you made contacts using a pair of 2.1's or a pair of 400's in Diversity mode that would have been difficult or impossible using a pair of 2.8's or a pair of 250's? I want to get this right the first time, as I don't want to need to open up the radio a second time to make further changes. 73, John W2ID From wa6ara at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 13:20:39 2016 From: wa6ara at gmail.com (Mike Herr) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:20:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you Elecraft! Message-ID: I just wanted to say thank you to Elecraft. I built / have the KX1, KX3 and K2, all fine rigs. But I relocated m K2 up at our rustic, small, cabin in the high sierras, as my "rig in residence". It had been a while since I used the old K2 as the KX3 has seen daily use in the WA6ARA shack at home. It has been a true pleasure using the K2 up there. Simple to use, quite receiver, nice memories. Just a pleasure to use casually while resting from a hike and drinking a beer. What to go Elecraft! -- Mike Herr WA6ARA DM-15dp Home of The QRP Ranch No trees were killed in the sending of this message, however, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. "Dad says that anyone who can't use a slide rule is a cultural illiterate and should not be allowed to vote. Mine is a beauty - a K&E 20-inch Log-log Duplex Decitrig." - Robert Heinlein From hhoyt at mebtel.net Thu Sep 1 13:52:18 2016 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:52:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Shelby Hamfest Message-ID: Hi all, To answer the queries, Pro Audio Engineering will not have a booth at Shelby this year due to a scheduling conflict. To compensate those who were looking to pick up their purchase there, we will be offering free shipping for all orders made in the month of September to USA addresses. This offer applies to orders for KX3 heatsinks as well as our Kx33 power supply and adapters, but not to ferrite-only orders. Thanks for your patience, Howard Hoyt - WA4PSC www.proaudioeng.com From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 1 13:59:06 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:59:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: <2056386012.14282875.1472750341992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <2056386012.14282875.1472750341992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3d65d0c8-a9df-5c34-4249-be353e12d82b@roadrunner.com> Personally, I find the 1.8 KHz filters best for SSB contesting. Otoh, haven't used the 2.1s here. I use the 250 Hz filter for CW and some data modes. 73, matt W6NIA On 9/1/2016 10:19 AM, w2id at comcast.net wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a new K3 owner, and haven't really even used the radio yet. It's at Elecraft right now getting the Synthesizer upgrade, and I need some help making a decision on filter configuration. > My primary usage will be SSB and CW contesting, and very occasional SSB and CW DXing. > > I will have vertically polarized transmit antennas on 160m, 80m, and 40m, as well as a yagi or two on 40m. I will have beverages available for receive on all 3 bands. > I would like to take advantage of diversity receive when running on the low bands in a contest. I am assuming that signals sometimes fade across polarities, so I thought it would be useful to listen on the transmit antenna on the main RX and listen on a beverage or other horizontally polarized antenna (e.g. dipole) on the SubRX. > > First question: Do any of you contesters do this, and is it useful? > > Second question: Assuming the answer to the first question is yes, what filters do I want to have at my disposal for this? > > Currently, my Rig 1 Main has 13 KHz, 6 KHz, 2.8 KHz, 400 Hz and 250 Hz, and my SubRX has 2.8 KHz, 2.1 KHz, 400 Hz, and 250 Hz. Elecraft will be removing the 13 KHz, which enables me to have them move the 2.1 from the Sub to the Main if I want to do that. > > I just bought a second K3, call it Rig 2, that only has a pair of 2.7's and a pair of 250's. > > So I was thinking about pulling the 400 from the SubRX of Rig 1 and putting it in the Main of Rig 2, and moving the 2.1 from the Rig 1 SubRX to the Rig 1 Main RX. Then I might want to also buy another 2.1 for the main of Rig 2. > By doing this, I would end up with essentially identical filter configurations in both radios: Sideband filters plus 250's in both main and sub, plus a 2.1 and a 400 in the main of both radios. > > What I really need to know is: > > For SSB, do I really need (want) to have a pair of matching 2.1's in both main and sub for diversity, or is a pair of 2.8's / 2.7's sufficient? > For CW, do I really need (want) to have a pair of matching 400's in both main and sub for diversity, or is a pair of 2.8's / 2.7's plus a pair of 250's sufficient? > > If having matching 2.1's and/or 400's in main and sub is needed to get the most use of the Diversity feature, then I would just need to add a 2.1 in the main of Rig 1, but then buy a whole bunch of new filters for Rig 2. > > So I guess the question boils down to: Do I want to spend $140 or $420 or $700 ? :-) > > Input from contesters with diversity receive experience would be most appreciated. Have you made contacts using a pair of 2.1's or a pair of 400's in Diversity mode that would have been difficult or impossible using a pair of 2.8's or a pair of 250's? > > I want to get this right the first time, as I don't want to need to open up the radio a second time to make further changes. > > 73, > > John W2ID > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From glcazzola at alice.it Thu Sep 1 14:08:34 2016 From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 20:08:34 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] R: Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: <2056386012.14282875.1472750341992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1503745223.14238410.1472748962353.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <2056386012.14282875.1472750341992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20160901180834.6238290.30982.17494@alice.it> I own a K3S from 9 months. I bought it with 500hz 5 poles and 200hz 6poles. On my old radio, an FT1000MP had INRAD chains, 8 poles. In my Elecraft I preferred to use 5 pole and 6 poles, wide 500hz for normal operating without the little ringings that produced tired listening. And for contests. also the 200hz 6 poles that is less tiring than an Inrad ? 400hz 8 poles. On the sub receiver installed an 500hz 5 pole - for working dx split. I am very satisfied. The K3S with dsp doest need any more selectivity for CW, I think. And at the end of CQWW or WPX I am less tired with this kind of listening. Ian IK4EWX Invio?eseguito?dallo?smartphone?BlackBerry?10. ? Messaggio originale ? Da: w2id at comcast.net Inviato: gioved? 1 settembre 2016 19:21 A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Oggetto: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? Hi all, I'm a new K3 owner, and haven't really even used the radio yet. It's at Elecraft right now getting the Synthesizer upgrade, and I need some help making a decision on filter configuration. My primary usage will be SSB and CW contesting, and very occasional SSB and CW DXing. I will have vertically polarized transmit antennas on 160m, 80m, and 40m, as well as a yagi or two on 40m. I will have beverages available for receive on all 3 bands. I would like to take advantage of diversity receive when running on the low bands in a contest. I am assuming that signals sometimes fade across polarities, so I thought it would be useful to listen on the transmit antenna on the main RX and listen on a beverage or other horizontally polarized antenna (e.g. dipole) on the SubRX. First question: Do any of you contesters do this, and is it useful? Second question: Assuming the answer to the first question is yes, what filters do I want to have at my disposal for this? Currently, my Rig 1 Main has 13 KHz, 6 KHz, 2.8 KHz, 400 Hz and 250 Hz, and my SubRX has 2.8 KHz, 2.1 KHz, 400 Hz, and 250 Hz. Elecraft will be removing the 13 KHz, which enables me to have them move the 2.1 from the Sub to the Main if I want to do that. I just bought a second K3, call it Rig 2, that only has a pair of 2.7's and a pair of 250's. So I was thinking about pulling the 400 from the SubRX of Rig 1 and putting it in the Main of Rig 2, and moving the 2.1 from the Rig 1 SubRX to the Rig 1 Main RX. Then I might want to also buy another 2.1 for the main of Rig 2. By doing this, I would end up with essentially identical filter configurations in both radios: Sideband filters plus 250's in both main and sub, plus a 2.1 and a 400 in the main of both radios. What I really need to know is: For SSB, do I really need (want) to have a pair of matching 2.1's in both main and sub for diversity, or is a pair of 2.8's / 2.7's sufficient? For CW, do I really need (want) to have a pair of matching 400's in both main and sub for diversity, or is a pair of 2.8's / 2.7's plus a pair of 250's sufficient? If having matching 2.1's and/or 400's in main and sub is needed to get the most use of the Diversity feature, then I would just need to add a 2.1 in the main of Rig 1, but then buy a whole bunch of new filters for Rig 2. So I guess the question boils down to: Do I want to spend $140 or $420 or $700 ? :-) Input from contesters with diversity receive experience would be most appreciated. Have you made contacts using a pair of 2.1's or a pair of 400's in Diversity mode that would have been difficult or impossible using a pair of 2.8's or a pair of 250's? I want to get this right the first time, as I don't want to need to open up the radio a second time to make further changes. 73, John W2ID ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to glcazzola at alice.it From madelyn at elecraft.com Thu Sep 1 14:38:36 2016 From: madelyn at elecraft.com (Madelyn Gomez) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:38:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Opt-in/out Message-ID: <8bdbf1c3-0113-5bf3-41fe-b787bc10a17f@elecraft.com> Hello Andrew, John, Aaron and all, No need to respond to the email if you want to subscribe. To opt-out, please click on the "unsubscribe from the list" link on the bottom of the email. Thanks, -- Madelyn Gomez Elecraft Sales 125 Westridge Drive Watsonville, Ca. 95076 831/763-4211 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Sep 1 14:47:40 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:47:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: <2056386012.14282875.1472750341992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <2056386012.14282875.1472750341992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu,9/1/2016 10:19 AM, w2id at comcast.net wrote: > My primary usage will be SSB and CW contesting, and very occasional SSB and CW DXing. My ears find a 1.8 kHz roofing filter too narrow for SSB, preferring 2.1 kHz. The DSP IF can always be set narrower if desired. I first bought 400 Hz 8-pole CW filters and later 250 Hz 8-pole. I nearly always use the 250 Hz filter on CW. I only use the 400 Hz filter for RTTY. Diversity is VERY useful on 160, 80, 40, and even 30M. I find that I nearly always use diversity to pull out seak signals, so I have only put the narrowest filters in the second RX. Diversity is useful in several ways. First, to overcome selective fading -- that simply requires antennas spatially separated from each other. Second, for multiple directivities, both vertical and horizontally. My second RX is usually connected to a Beverage. 73, Jim K9YC From k3ndm at comcast.net Thu Sep 1 15:27:18 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 19:27:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At one time there was a paper on the web page written by either Wayne or Eric ( I can't remember which) that had recommendations on filter selection. You might try and find it or get the author to republish. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jim Brown" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 9/1/2016 2:47:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? >On Thu,9/1/2016 10:19 AM, w2id at comcast.net wrote: >>My primary usage will be SSB and CW contesting, and very occasional >>SSB and CW DXing. > >My ears find a 1.8 kHz roofing filter too narrow for SSB, preferring >2.1 kHz. The DSP IF can always be set narrower if desired. > >I first bought 400 Hz 8-pole CW filters and later 250 Hz 8-pole. I >nearly always use the 250 Hz filter on CW. I only use the 400 Hz filter >for RTTY. > >Diversity is VERY useful on 160, 80, 40, and even 30M. I find that I >nearly always use diversity to pull out seak signals, so I have only >put the narrowest filters in the second RX. > >Diversity is useful in several ways. First, to overcome selective >fading -- that simply requires antennas spatially separated from each >other. Second, for multiple directivities, both vertical and >horizontally. My second RX is usually connected to a Beverage. > >73, Jim K9YC > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From edouard at lafargue.name Thu Sep 1 17:03:08 2016 From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:03:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 Message-ID: With all the discussion on KX2 IQ output going on, I don't want to muddle things up even further, but as Mark KE6BB was reminding me earlier, there is a nice way you can power the PX3 using a standard KX2 battery that I demonstrated a couple of weeks back: https://www.dropbox.com/s/39wjrgp1bad3xg5/KX2%20Battery%20in%20PX3.jpg.jpg?dl=0 I did this some time ago and it works great - it looks like Elecraft made provisions for such a battery in the design of the PX3 PCB. You need to open the PX3 to recharge the battery, but it actually lasts for quite a while, I haven't made precise measurements yet though. my 2 cents, Ed, W6ELA From byron at n6nul.org Thu Sep 1 17:16:16 2016 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:16:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, The crystal filter section of the Elecraft order page has links to both filter plots as well as the paper by Wayne and Eric that you describe: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3filters hth, 73, Byron N6NUL On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Barry LaZar wrote: > At one time there was a paper on the web page written by either Wayne or > Eric ( I can't remember which) that had recommendations on filter selection. > You might try and find it or get the author to republish. - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From k9yeq at live.com Thu Sep 1 17:27:13 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 16:27:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ed, Thank you for the information. Makes we want to buy the PX3, as if having the P3 wasn't enough ;- ) Bill K9YEQ Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edouard Lafargue With all the discussion on KX2 IQ output going on, I don't want to muddle things up even further, but as Mark KE6BB was reminding me earlier, there is a nice way you can power the PX3 using a standard KX2 battery that I demonstrated a couple of weeks back: https://www.dropbox.com/s/39wjrgp1bad3xg5/KX2%20Battery%20in%20PX3.jpg.jpg?d l=0 I did this some time ago and it works great - it looks like Elecraft made provisions for such a battery in the design of the PX3 PCB. You need to open the PX3 to recharge the battery, but it actually lasts for quite a while, I haven't made precise measurements yet though. my 2 cents, Ed, W6ELA ______________________________________________________________ From michaelwong at mac.com Thu Sep 1 17:31:00 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael Wong) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 14:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That?s very cool. I?m going to try running the PX3 and KX3 off a 12Ah Bioenno battery and a Powerpole distribution adapter. Maybe I?ll get rid of the internal batteries on the KX3. > On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Bill wrote: > > Ed, Thank you for the information. Makes we want to buy the PX3, as if > having the P3 wasn't enough ;- ) > > Bill > K9YEQ > > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Edouard Lafargue > > With all the discussion on KX2 IQ output going on, I don't want to muddle > things up even further, but as Mark KE6BB was reminding me earlier, there is > a nice way you can power the PX3 using a standard KX2 battery that I > demonstrated a couple of weeks back: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/39wjrgp1bad3xg5/KX2%20Battery%20in%20PX3.jpg.jpg?d > l=0 > > I did this some time ago and it works great - it looks like Elecraft made > provisions for such a battery in the design of the PX3 PCB. You need to open > the PX3 to recharge the battery, but it actually lasts for quite a while, I > haven't made precise measurements yet though. > > my 2 cents, > > Ed, W6ELA From bob.novas at verizon.net Thu Sep 1 17:46:42 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 17:46:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] talentcell battery? Message-ID: <04c601d2049a$54590300$fd0b0900$@verizon.net> There's a TalentCell Rechargeable 72W, 132WH 12V 11000mAh battery available on amazon for $65. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016BJCRUO). Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm wondering if this battery would comfortably power a KX3. Thanks, Bob - W3DK From rv6amark at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 18:03:42 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 15:03:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 Message-ID: <9y5wm2v9ajjcceip8agj30lh.1472767078835@email.android.com> For those who don't know,?Edouard is the author of of the Wizkers:Radio software. ? When I saw this, I thought it looked like a cool idea for portable use, an ideal companion to a KX2...except a KX2 doesn't have RX IQ out :-( Mark KE6BB -------- Original message --------From: Edouard Lafargue Date: 9/1/16 2:03 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 ? With all the discussion on KX2 IQ output going on, I don't want to muddle things up even further, but as Mark KE6BB was reminding me earlier, there is a nice way you can power the PX3 using a standard KX2 battery that I demonstrated a couple of weeks back: https://www.dropbox.com/s/39wjrgp1bad3xg5/KX2%20Battery%20in%20PX3.jpg.jpg?dl=0 ?? I did this some time ago and it works great - it looks like Elecraft made provisions for such a battery in the design of the PX3 PCB. You need to open the PX3 to recharge the battery, but it actually lasts for quite a while, I haven't made precise measurements yet though. my 2 cents, Ed, W6ELA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rv6amark at yahoo.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Sep 1 18:16:32 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 15:16:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] talentcell battery? In-Reply-To: <04c601d2049a$54590300$fd0b0900$@verizon.net> References: <04c601d2049a$54590300$fd0b0900$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2d53c922-d991-dae4-6397-176b3d3a2a57@foothill.net> Well, any 12V battery will power a KX3 [or KX1, KX2, K2, K3, K1, FT-817, etc]. Assuming a totally flat discharge curve, you can calculate for how long based on the TX and RX drains and the duty cycle. The TalentCell appear to be Li-ion and they have a fairly flat discharge curve until nearly depleted. The TalentCell site is more or less content-free in terms of quantitative specs, but it looks to be on the heavy side, probably more than a KX3. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/1/2016 2:46 PM, Bob Novas wrote: > There's a TalentCell Rechargeable 72W, 132WH 12V 11000mAh battery available > on amazon for $65. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016BJCRUO). Does > anyone have any experience with these? I'm wondering if this battery would > comfortably power a KX3. Thanks, Bob - W3DK From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Sep 1 19:41:23 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 16:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 In-Reply-To: <9y5wm2v9ajjcceip8agj30lh.1472767078835@email.android.com> References: <9y5wm2v9ajjcceip8agj30lh.1472767078835@email.android.com> Message-ID: <9d57d7c1-b2e2-268e-382b-9fc489acc674@socal.rr.com> Re "a KX2 doesn't have RX IQ out :-( ": But you knew that when you bought it, Mark -- Right? Most of us sure did :-) Phil W7OX On 9/1/16 3:03 PM, Mark via Elecraft wrote: > For those who don't know, Edouard is the author of of the Wizkers:Radio software. > > When I saw this, I thought it looked like a cool idea for portable use, an ideal companion to a KX2...except a KX2 doesn't have RX IQ out :-( > > Mark > KE6BB > > -------- Original message --------From: Edouard Lafargue Date: 9/1/16 2:03 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 > With all the discussion on KX2 IQ output going on, I don't want to muddle > things up even further, but as Mark KE6BB was reminding me earlier, there > is a nice way you can power the PX3 using a standard KX2 battery that I > demonstrated a couple of weeks back: > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/39wjrgp1bad3xg5/KX2%20Battery%20in%20PX3.jpg.jpg?dl=0 > > I did this some time ago and it works great - it looks like Elecraft > made provisions for such a battery in the design of the PX3 PCB. You need > to open the PX3 to recharge the battery, but it actually lasts for quite a > while, I haven't made precise measurements yet though. > > my 2 cents, > > Ed, W6ELA From huntinhmb at coastside.net Thu Sep 1 19:41:43 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 16:41:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] talentcell battery? In-Reply-To: <04c601d2049a$54590300$fd0b0900$@verizon.net> References: <04c601d2049a$54590300$fd0b0900$@verizon.net> Message-ID: There's a really good review on the Amazon site be "bani" (3 stars) which says the manufacturer's specs are essentially impossible. Based on his write up, I'd look elsewhere. YMMV. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Sep 1, 2016, at 14:46, Bob Novas wrote: > > There's a TalentCell Rechargeable 72W, 132WH 12V 11000mAh battery available > on amazon for $65. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016BJCRUO). Does > anyone have any experience with these? I'm wondering if this battery would > comfortably power a KX3. Thanks, Bob - W3DK > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to huntinhmb at coastside.net From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 20:03:04 2016 From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:03:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Shelby Hamfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1472774584024-7622087.post@n2.nabble.com> Come see Elecraft's booth in the vendor building at Shelby! Don Wilhelm and I will be there with the same special promotion you see on the main Elecraft page. Cheers, David/KG6IRW International Distributor and Customer Support Elecraft 831-763-4211 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Shelby-Hamfest-tp7622072p7622087.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rv6amark at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 20:13:54 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 17:13:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 Message-ID: Re "a KX2 doesn't have RX IQ out...But you knew that when you bought it, Mark -- Right?" Actually that is one of the reasons I have held off buying one for a while. ?I am one of the guys whose KX3 became their home station. ?When I am portable, simple is better, so for me, a KX2 may be fine as it is. ?I was simply fascinated by Ed's PX3 with an internal battery which simplifies portable setup, making portable PX3 more feasible. Mark KE6BB -------- Original message --------From: Phil Wheeler Date: 9/1/16 4:41 PM (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 Re "a KX2 doesn't have RX IQ out :-( ": But you knew that when you bought it, Mark -- Right? Most of us sure did :-) Phil W7OX On 9/1/16 3:03 PM, Mark via Elecraft wrote: > For those who don't know, Edouard is the author of of the Wizkers:Radio software. > > When I saw this, I thought it looked like a cool idea for portable use, an ideal companion to a KX2...except a KX2 doesn't have RX IQ out :-( > > Mark > KE6BB > > -------- Original message --------From: Edouard Lafargue Date: 9/1/16? 2:03 PM? (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 >??? With all the discussion on KX2 IQ output going on, I don't want to muddle > things up even further, but as Mark KE6BB was reminding me earlier, there > is a nice way you can power the PX3 using a standard KX2 battery that I > demonstrated a couple of weeks back: > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/39wjrgp1bad3xg5/KX2%20Battery%20in%20PX3.jpg.jpg?dl=0 > >???? I did this some time ago and it works great - it looks like Elecraft > made provisions for such a battery in the design of the PX3 PCB. You need > to open the PX3 to recharge the battery, but it actually lasts for quite a > while, I haven't made precise measurements yet though. > > my 2 cents, > > Ed, W6ELA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rv6amark at yahoo.com From jparnell at igc.org Thu Sep 1 20:45:57 2016 From: jparnell at igc.org (John Parnell) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:45:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 AM RX Comparisons Message-ID: <001801d204b3$634f6390$29ee2ab0$@org> Hi- I eagerly updated my KX2 firmware to ver 2.68 and had some fun test driving the AM RX on some of the SWBC bands. Out of curiosity, I wondered how it stacked up against my Kenwood TX590S and my EAC R-390A RX. I was impressed with how well it sounded once I beefed up the audio with some cheap computer speakers. It was not in the same ballpark as the others audio-wise, but it sounded surprisingly well for a "pocket" radio. I grabbed my phone and made a quick and dirty video of the comparison, using R. Nacioanal de Amazonia as the source and a G5RV @ 70ft as the antenna - switched to each rig. See https://youtu.be/UP8ZzrYWE8w I later tried some reception of weaker stations and the KX2 seemed to match the other radios Sig/Noise levels FB. A great little RX. Now I can listen to R. Australia, R. Japan and the BBC by the campfire from my backpacking camp on the WA coast next week.in between working DX. 72! -john, k7hv From nn7uct at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 21:05:43 2016 From: nn7uct at yahoo.com (Chuck Teague) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 18:05:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with KPod Message-ID: <1472778343770-7622090.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm just getting started using macros, and would like to control the P3 via the KPod as much as possible. Can the Markers be controlled via the KPod knob. I can turn the markers on and off and qsy to one or the other, but can find no way to assign the P3 knob to the KPod knob. Am I missing something? ----- Chuck Teague NN7U -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-with-KPod-tp7622090.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Sep 1 21:07:00 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 18:07:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Currently when I'm operating my KX3 portable, I have the advantages of operating from a house. I use mains power and a splitter to power both the KX3 and the PX3. It's kind of ironic that I operate pure solar at home and mains power on the road. I do find the idea of slipping a battery into the PX3 really attractive for backpacking, moving to a minimum number of things to forget. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/1/16 at 5:13 PM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark via Elecraft) wrote: >Re "a KX2 doesn't have RX IQ out...But you knew that when you bought it, Mark -- Right?" > >Actually that is one of the reasons I have held off buying one >for a while. ?I am one of the guys whose KX3 became their home >station. ?When I am portable, simple is better, so for me, a >KX2 may be fine as it is. ?I was simply fascinated by Ed's PX3 >with an internal battery which simplifies portable setup, >making portable PX3 more feasible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Security is like Government | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | services. The market doesn't | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | want to pay for them. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w8fn at tx.rr.com Thu Sep 1 23:05:07 2016 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:05:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with KPod In-Reply-To: <1472778343770-7622090.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472778343770-7622090.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9681f58c-a822-939b-e0ca-650daf8e73e1@tx.rr.com> This is a capability that's not currently available. There are a few of us out here who would also like to see it happen, but given that the K-Pod communicates directly with the radio CPU it might take a good bit of software to make the radio talk back to the P3. I'm personally more hopeful that the P3 code can be modified to make it controllable via a PigKnob, which operates in the RS232 channel. Let's hope we see some development effort in the future. 73... Randy, W8FN On 9/1/2016 8:05 PM, Chuck Teague via Elecraft wrote: > I'm just getting started using macros, and would like to control the P3 via > the KPod as much as possible. Can the Markers be controlled via the KPod > knob. I can turn the markers on and off and qsy to one or the other, but > can find no way to assign the P3 knob to the KPod knob. Am I missing > something? > > > > ----- > Chuck Teague > NN7U From nz8j at woh.rr.com Fri Sep 2 00:09:19 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Timothy K Cook) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 00:09:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 6M opposite sideband suppression In-Reply-To: <8dc94720-13ff-4d4f-bd8e-48eef292d190@email.android.com> References: <8dc94720-13ff-4d4f-bd8e-48eef292d190@email.android.com> Message-ID: <9eb9a344-15e4-4f08-9c40-ef5753b11058@email.android.com> I just went through the opposite sideband suppression routine using the signal generated by the PX3. It worked just as described for 160-10 meters but I could not get any significant reduction or hardly any movement at all on the opposite sideband. I verified that I was looking at the correct sideband by removing the I/Q cable. Is this normal or should it react the same on 6 meters as it does on the other bands? I have the latest firmware installed (non beta) Thanks Tim NZ8J From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Sep 2 11:20:00 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 08:20:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with KPod In-Reply-To: <9681f58c-a822-939b-e0ca-650daf8e73e1@tx.rr.com> References: <1472778343770-7622090.post@n2.nabble.com> <9681f58c-a822-939b-e0ca-650daf8e73e1@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1472829600828-7622094.post@n2.nabble.com> The PigKnob is already capable of controlling the PX3 markers. You simply need to ask Elecraft to port the #MAA and #MBA remote-control commands to the P3. Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-with-KPod-tp7622090p7622094.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nz8j at woh.rr.com Fri Sep 2 11:45:11 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 11:45:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Text not working Message-ID: <000201d20530$fd5b8bd0$f812a370$@woh.rr.com> I just got a KX3/PX3 combo and I am having a problem getting the text to show on the PX3 screen. I'm sure it's a setting but I can't figure out what it might be. I am getting the text on the KX3 screen and TEXT is enabled on the PX3, the display shrinks upwards and has a blank (black) area on the bottom where the text should be, but nothing shows up. The PX3 seems to work on in all other respects.. I get digest emails, so a direct email to nz8j at woh.rr.com with any help would be appreciated to see if I can get it going. Thanks Tim NZ8J From w8fn at tx.rr.com Fri Sep 2 13:30:46 2016 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:30:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with KPod In-Reply-To: <1472829600828-7622094.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472778343770-7622090.post@n2.nabble.com> <9681f58c-a822-939b-e0ca-650daf8e73e1@tx.rr.com> <1472829600828-7622094.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: You betcha! I've already asked and I'm hoping it happens sooner rather than later. 73... Randy, W8FN On 9/2/2016 10:20 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > The PigKnob is already capable of controlling the PX3 markers. You simply > need to ask Elecraft to port the #MAA and #MBA remote-control commands to > the P3. > > Joe > KF5WBO From w2id at comcast.net Fri Sep 2 13:47:06 2016 From: w2id at comcast.net (w2id at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: PR6 6m Preamp In-Reply-To: <975493359.15755052.1472837762031.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1021851605.15764330.1472838426034.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I have a brand new, never used PR6 that is surplus to my needs. Includes the two a dapters, DB-15/RCA Power cable, original factory packaging, and Owners Manual. All in original factory box. Unit has never been taken out of the box except for a quick visual inspection. Great 6M preamp - works with any radio. Now is the time to have fun on 6 meters while HF is out to lunch. $95 shipped to CONUS. $85 if picked up in NNJ. Will ship worldwide for $85 plus actual shipping cost. 73, John W2ID From dlsmith at harlanonline.net Fri Sep 2 13:50:36 2016 From: dlsmith at harlanonline.net (David Smith) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 13:50:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters Message-ID: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> Have a question I feel I know the answer to. I am an avid contester and when contesting thru the years (since 1978 and especially on 40 meters) have always had problems filtering out on my receive other contest stations who bleed over to my receive frequency their signals so I care hear the weaker stations coming back to me, mainly domestic contests. Thru the years operated IC 765, Omni 6+ and now the K3S. Still with DSP filtering, etc. I feel this is a way of life with contesting. Have had this discussion with many of my big gun contesters and we feel this must be a way of life with ssb contests. CW contests are much easier to filter out the side to side stations. My directional antennas on these bands help a lot but guess this is the way of life with ssb contesting. Would like other input from your experiences. Thanks David, ND4Y (KS3, KS2, KX2 owner) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bob.novas at verizon.net Fri Sep 2 13:53:42 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 13:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] adjust P3 markers with KPod Message-ID: <06d101d20542$f1abe340$d503a9c0$@verizon.net> I'd very much like this function too. This would be my primary use case for the KPod Bob - W3DK > On 9/2/2016 10:20 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > The PigKnob is already capable of controlling the PX3 markers. You > > simply need to ask Elecraft to port the #MAA and #MBA remote-control > > commands to the P3. > > > > Joe > > KF5WBO > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From lists at w2irt.net Fri Sep 2 14:01:33 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:01:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Message-ID: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> Hello all, With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route rather than the K3, I'm finding I'm at a rather huge disadvantage in terms of CW operation, and that's Skimmer, which is an absolute game-changer for everybody who's running it. I just can't figure out how to make it work acceptably well with the K3S/P3 combination I have here. I went the LP-PAN route and the birdies/mirror images make that device wholly unsuitable for me, so I'm back to square one. I don't want to spend another small fortune on interface boxes, but something better than LP-PAN is clearly the answer. I just don't know what it is, what to do once I buy it, or anything else. The big limitation I have is whatever devices that I will need to buy will also have to play well with MicroHam Router software, and in the past that has left my head spinning. This stuff is SO far beyond my understanding I feel as if I've been thrown into the deep end of the pool without knowing how to swim. Working backwards, let's say the required end result is to have the CW portion of whichever band I'm on skimmed and calls displayed on my bandmap in either N1MM+ or DX Labs' Commander. Not 22kHz worth of calls relative to my operating frequency, but everything, from .000 to .100 and maybe beyond. If I'm running in CQWW or ARRL-CW, I'm less impressed with what the cluster is showing me and would rather rely more heavily on what my own antenna is picking up. I have only two antenna feeds on the property: Whatever's selected on the tower or a K9AY loop connected to the RX-in line on the back of the K3S. I don't' have a separate antenna to feed another receiver so I guess the idea is to take signal off the IF from the P3 out, yes? Like I said, I'm really very old-school and I need help getting up to speed with all this stuff. I migrated from a Mark V last year and the learning curve on the K3S is still as steep as Mt. Everest for me. Any help greatly appreciated, please'n'thanks! --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT S/N 10023 From lists at w2irt.net Fri Sep 2 14:07:36 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity RX question Message-ID: <000501d20544$e31d50f0$a957f2d0$@net> So, I'm wondering if I will be able to use Diversity RX on my K3S given my antenna situation. At the moment I have ANT-1 connected to my remote antenna switch at the tower, which selects 10-160m. ANT-2 is a 6m Yagi on a separate tower, and a K9AY loop is connected via BNC to the RX antenna port on the K3S. Those are all the antennas I possess, and my understanding is that I need another dedicated antenna for diversity. Is there any way I can use what I have to get diversity and still retain use of the RX antenna port feature for the lowbands? If not, what are most people using for diversity? Is this something that's used on all bands or is it a predominantly lowband feature (which is where I need the most CW RX help given my very noisy QTH)? Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT Vice President, North Jersey DX Association DXCC Card Checker Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Sep 2 14:33:58 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 11:33:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] adjust P3 markers with KPod In-Reply-To: <06d101d20542$f1abe340$d503a9c0$@verizon.net> References: <06d101d20542$f1abe340$d503a9c0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1472841238654-7622102.post@n2.nabble.com> > I'd very much like this function too. This would be my primary use case > for the KPod I agree, Bob. Controlling marker A (or marker B) and QSY'ing the rig VFO to the marker frequency is a primary use case for any remote control panel. I want to be clear ... porting the #MAA and #MBA remote-control commands to the P3 will enable control of the P3 markers using the PigKnob. I can't speak to what's involved in controlling the P3 markers using the K-Pod. Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-adjust-P3-markers-with-KPod-tp7622099p7622102.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n0nb at n0nb.us Fri Sep 2 14:53:32 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 13:53:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters In-Reply-To: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> References: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <20160902185332.GH24445@n0nb.us> It is a way of life. That said, I have found that for stations below my frequency on LSB or above it on USB that I can advanced the Hi Cut control quite a ways while maintaining intelligibility of the received signal. The converse, stations above on LSB or below on USB cause me more problems as intelligibility deteriorates rapidly as the Lo Cut control is advanced. This is with a K3 with a 2.1 kHz filter installed. Still, the K3 is the absolute best in this regard of a number of radios I've used over the years. This is just due to the characteristics of SSB and the way we use it in amateur radio. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From nz8j at woh.rr.com Fri Sep 2 14:55:55 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:55:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (Update) PX3 text not working Message-ID: <8F951CC7-CC0F-4388-BE55-4EA4B00957AB@woh.rr.com> Making some progress, found that after enabling text on the PX3 I have to turn the PX3 off then on and then the decoded text will show up on the display. If I turn off text and on via the menu it stops decoding and won't start again until I cycle the power on the PX3. Any thoughts? Thanks Tim NZ8J From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Sep 2 15:00:24 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:00:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters In-Reply-To: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> References: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <5291bbeb-7141-ec0f-1272-677d8a063b7d@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,9/2/2016 10:50 AM, David Smith wrote: > have > always had problems filtering out on my receive other contest stations who > bleed over to my receive frequency their signals so I care hear the weaker > stations coming back to me, mainly domestic contests. Nothing new here -- NO receiver can "filter out" interference that is inside its passband. If a station is transmitting trash (splatter) ON YOUR FREQUENCY, there is NO solution other than him fixing his dirty station. This splatter (and key clicks) can be VERY clearly seen on a properly adjusted P3 as horizontal lines in the waterfall from a dirty signal on audio peaks. 73, Jim K9YC From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Sep 2 15:14:09 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:14:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] (Update) PX3 text not working In-Reply-To: <8F951CC7-CC0F-4388-BE55-4EA4B00957AB@woh.rr.com> References: <8F951CC7-CC0F-4388-BE55-4EA4B00957AB@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1472843649967-7622106.post@n2.nabble.com> Same here. This is an "undocumented feature" (i.e., firmware bug). Please E-mail Paul Saffren (psaffren at elecraft dot com). You can enable and disable text using the "LABELS" (hold) switch. This won't require a power-cycle to take effect. This is probably easier than using the menu. Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Update-PX3-text-not-working-tp7622104p7622106.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Sep 2 15:16:37 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 11:16:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? Message-ID: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> John W2ID: You do realize that these are roofing filters and that operating bw is set by the DSP? Of course if you are operating in a dense high signal environment (lots of QRM on adjacent freq) then having a roofing filter that matches your operating bw is helpful. I have both main and sub Rx but only use a duplicate of my SSB filter (2.8-KHz 8-pole) in my sub receiver. I initially bought a 13-KHz filter for the sub-Rx not realizing it was not going to be used for diversity on FM so I sold it soon after purchase. I have 13-KHz because I use my K3/10 with VHF/UHF transverters operating FM. I do no AM but can use that filter for AM. I also bought a 400-Hz filter thinking it would help receiving CW, and it does (almost too good). But having more noise suppression in the narrower bw does help weak CW copy (since I only use CW for eme). Adding more filters to the sub-Rx is not as difficult as to the main-Rx. The sub-Rx has to be removed to add/remove or change filters in the main-Rx. So try to get the arrangement in the main-Rx before installing the sub-Rx. But for casual CW listening I usually dial DSP bw to 1.0 KHz for easier listening. I only run diversity mode for running 2m eme using digital mode of JT65b using MAP65 sw which enables dual receive of two receivers. But like the KX2, both K3 and K3s do not provide IQ interface, so I tap off the 1st IF of both receivers to go to two SDR which are phase-locked in frequency so that diversity info is preserved at the soundcard. Because I tap off the 8.2 MHz IF's the signal does not go thru the roofing filters or the DSP in the K3. The K3 merely acts as a tunable down converter from 28-MHz which what my transverters input at. I know this has little to offer in your decision on filters to install. I kept it simple (one SSB filter in my sub-Rx). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From n9tf at comcast.net Fri Sep 2 15:18:03 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters In-Reply-To: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> References: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <1324452267.10000132.1472843883681.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> David, Jim is spot on about wide dirty signals getting into your passband. The best you can do is play with the band width and shift to find a combination that limits the interference and makes the signal you are trying to copy, more copyable. For SSB contesting I will use the 2.1khz filter with a bit of DSP and also some shift to knock down the interfering station. I will say, the K3/S is far superior to the 756ProIII I had prior in this regard, from sharp filtering and AGC pumping. I can usually knock out a strong wide signal well into the passband I am listening, so that I can copy the weaker station. ? I am amazed though how close these days SSB contesters "overlap" intentionally into someone else's frequency, sharing half of the 2.7khz band width! That's one reason I prefer and enjoy CW and RTTY contests over SSB contests. Much more pleasing on the ears and temper! ? 73, Gene N9TF K3S 10057 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Smith" To: "elecraft" Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:50:36 PM Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters Have a question I feel I know the answer to. ?I am an avid contester and when contesting thru the years (since 1978 and especially on 40 meters) have always had problems filtering out on my receive other contest stations who bleed over to my receive frequency their signals so I care hear the weaker stations coming back to me, mainly domestic contests. ?Thru the years operated IC 765, Omni 6+ and now the K3S. ?Still with DSP filtering, etc. I feel this is a way of life with contesting. ?Have had this discussion with many of my big gun contesters and we feel this must be a way of life with ssb contests. ?CW contests are much easier to filter out the side to side stations. ?My directional antennas on these bands help a lot but guess this is the way of life with ssb contesting. ?Would like other input from your experiences. ? Thanks ? David, ND4Y ?(KS3, KS2, KX2 owner) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From ron at cobi.biz Fri Sep 2 15:29:37 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:29:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters In-Reply-To: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> References: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <004201d20550$587aefa0$0970cee0$@biz> David, it's called QRM and has been with us since the first spark transmitters were on the air. On CW how does the frequency of the interfering stations compare with the ones you are trying to hear? I'm referring to the audio frequency of the CW signal you hear in the speaker or headphones compared to the desired signal. If they are very nearly the same, it's because the interfering signal is on the same frequency as the one you want to hear. Since Ham bands are not "channelized", any station can operate on any frequency within the band. Interfering stations can end up on your frequency in several ways. It might just be a careless operator who didn't listen first or one who didn't care if other signals were present. Unfortunately, this happens a lot in contests. Just as likely, it may be because of propagation. It's common for other stations in different locations to not be able to hear the signals you do. That's why good Ham protocol is to send QRL? (is the frequency in use?) before starting a call. In that case you could send an "R" indicating the frequency is in use even though the other station could not hear. But, again, that is often overlooked in Contesting. Also, it's possible for the interfering station to not be able to hear either of you due to high noise levels, poor receiver, etc. Another possibility that is becoming very rare with modern equipment is that the interfering signal might be a spurious (unintended) signal on a frequency far from the other station's main signal. Yes, directional antennas help, but on HF especially many Hams must make do with whatever antenna they can put up in their yard or garden. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:51 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters Have a question I feel I know the answer to. I am an avid contester and when contesting thru the years (since 1978 and especially on 40 meters) have always had problems filtering out on my receive other contest stations who bleed over to my receive frequency their signals so I care hear the weaker stations coming back to me, mainly domestic contests. Thru the years operated IC 765, Omni 6+ and now the K3S. Still with DSP filtering, etc. I feel this is a way of life with contesting. Have had this discussion with many of my big gun contesters and we feel this must be a way of life with ssb contests. CW contests are much easier to filter out the side to side stations. My directional antennas on these bands help a lot but guess this is the way of life with ssb contesting. Would like other input from your experiences. Thanks David, ND4Y (KS3, KS2, KX2 owner) From jim at rhodesend.net Fri Sep 2 15:35:46 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 13:35:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters In-Reply-To: <1324452267.10000132.1472843883681.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> <1324452267.10000132.1472843883681.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: And don't forget the AGC and RF gain settings. Often those nasty signals can be minimized by proper use of the two. Modern receivers tend to have better dynamic range and sometimes those nasty, wide signals can be reduced in strength so that the filters can do a better job. On Sep 2, 2016 1:19 PM, wrote: > David, > Jim is spot on about wide dirty signals getting into your passband. The > best you can do is play with the band width and shift to find a combination > that limits the interference and makes the signal you are trying to copy, > more copyable. For SSB contesting I will use the 2.1khz filter with a bit > of DSP and also some shift to knock down the interfering station. I will > say, the K3/S is far superior to the 756ProIII I had prior in this regard, > from sharp filtering and AGC pumping. I can usually knock out a strong wide > signal well into the passband I am listening, so that I can copy the weaker > station. > > I am amazed though how close these days SSB contesters "overlap" > intentionally into someone else's frequency, sharing half of the 2.7khz > band width! That's one reason I prefer and enjoy CW and RTTY contests over > SSB contests. Much more pleasing on the ears and temper! > > 73, Gene N9TF > K3S 10057 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Smith" > To: "elecraft" > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:50:36 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters > > Have a question I feel I know the answer to. I am an avid contester and > when contesting thru the years (since 1978 and especially on 40 meters) > have > always had problems filtering out on my receive other contest stations who > bleed over to my receive frequency their signals so I care hear the weaker > stations coming back to me, mainly domestic contests. Thru the years > operated IC 765, Omni 6+ and now the K3S. Still with DSP filtering, etc. I > feel this is a way of life with contesting. Have had this discussion with > many of my big gun contesters and we feel this must be a way of life with > ssb contests. CW contests are much easier to filter out the side to side > stations. My directional antennas on these bands help a lot but guess this > is the way of life with ssb contesting. Would like other input from your > experiences. > > > > Thanks > > > > David, ND4Y (KS3, KS2, KX2 owner) > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From psaffren at elecraft.com Fri Sep 2 15:55:33 2016 From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:55:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] (Update) PX3 text not working In-Reply-To: <8F951CC7-CC0F-4388-BE55-4EA4B00957AB@woh.rr.com> References: <8F951CC7-CC0F-4388-BE55-4EA4B00957AB@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1472846133409-7622110.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Tim, I just verified the bug on my unit here. I'll put it on the list. In the meantime you can set TxtAuto so it is enabled. This will automatically turn on the text window whenever the KX3 is put into a text mode, i.e. CW, or DATA. 73, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Update-PX3-text-not-working-tp7622104p7622110.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Sep 2 16:43:17 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 15:43:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] (Update) PX3 text not working In-Reply-To: <8F951CC7-CC0F-4388-BE55-4EA4B00957AB@woh.rr.com> References: <8F951CC7-CC0F-4388-BE55-4EA4B00957AB@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <7553b942-ef7f-5216-7c7f-342d562145d5@ac0h.net> What does the manual say? On 9/2/2016 1:55 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > Making some progress, found that after enabling text on the PX3 I have to turn the PX3 off then on and then the decoded text will show up on the display. If I turn off text and on via the menu it stops decoding and won't start again until I cycle the power on the PX3. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks > Tim > NZ8J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Sep 2 17:02:59 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:02:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite now supports direct logging to N3FJP Amateur Contact Log Message-ID: <798224ABDCBA4714A9A7B1B526F51333@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite. This release now supports direct logging into N3FJP's Amateur Contact Log and Contest logs for the Win4K3's terminal mode. The terminal mode provides CW, FSK-D and PSK-D communications using the built in keyer and decoding capabilities of the K3/S, KX3 and KX2. There is full message support as well. Win4K3Suite is a full featured radio control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2. It also provides connectivity and integration for the KPA500 and KAT500 even with the KX2. You have access to all menu parameters as well and you can import and export settings as needed. Win4K3 has support for the P3 with a video capture board and LPPAN as well as SDRPlay with a built in Panadapter software interface. Win4K3 can also connect to virtually ALL third party applications and hardware that supports a CAT interface including but not limited to N3FJP Amateur Contact Log and Contest databases, HRD Logbook and DM780 FLDigi, DXLabs Keeper, N1MM+, NAP3 etc. You can see it in operation here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU and in remote operation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWa7zSBeD6Q Thanks for your support. 73 Tom va2fsq.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k9yeq at live.com Fri Sep 2 18:10:25 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:10:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I use two 8 pole at 1.8Khz with the DSP set for 2.1. I like the way it sounds and works. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- John W2ID: You do realize that these are roofing filters and that operating bw is set by the DSP? Of course if you are operating in a dense high signal environment (lots of QRM on adjacent freq) then having a roofing filter that matches your operating bw is helpful. I have both main and sub Rx but only use a duplicate of my SSB filter (2.8-KHz 8-pole) in my sub receiver. I initially bought a 13-KHz filter for the sub-Rx not realizing it was not going to be used for diversity on FM so I sold it soon after purchase. I have 13-KHz because I use my K3/10 with VHF/UHF transverters operating FM. I do no AM but can use that filter for AM. I also bought a 400-Hz filter thinking it would help receiving CW, and it does (almost too good). But having more noise suppression in the narrower bw does help weak CW copy (since I only use CW for eme). Adding more filters to the sub-Rx is not as difficult as to the main-Rx. The sub-Rx has to be removed to add/remove or change filters in the main-Rx. So try to get the arrangement in the main-Rx before installing the sub-Rx. But for casual CW listening I usually dial DSP bw to 1.0 KHz for easier listening. I only run diversity mode for running 2m eme using digital mode of JT65b using MAP65 sw which enables dual receive of two receivers. But like the KX2, both K3 and K3s do not provide IQ interface, so I tap off the 1st IF of both receivers to go to two SDR which are phase-locked in frequency so that diversity info is preserved at the soundcard. Because I tap off the 8.2 MHz IF's the signal does not go thru the roofing filters or the DSP in the K3. The K3 merely acts as a tunable down converter from 28-MHz which what my transverters input at. I know this has little to offer in your decision on filters to install. I kept it simple (one SSB filter in my sub-Rx). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 18:59:45 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 18:59:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: References: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Bill wrote: > I use two 8 pole at 1.8Khz with the DSP set for 2.1. I like the way it > sounds and works. > Bill > K9YEQ > That's pretty interesting if you actually have the filters defined in the K3/K3s as 1.8 kHz. Because what will happen when you set front panel WIDTH control (the DSP width) to 2.1 is that the K3 will engage filters defined as 2.1, or the next wider set of filters and will NOT be using the 1.8's. However if you deliberately define those 1.8 filters as 2.1 in the filter setup, then you will basically be hearing the selectivity of the two 1.8 roofers when your WIDTH control is at 2.1. I have my 8 pole 1.8 roofers defined as 1.8. Can't stand them for casual SSB & yak fests, but they are cat's meow for SSB contests. I have to ride the shift control all the time for intelligibility, but that's better than not being able to understand because the crud is terrible above or below. If crud is terrible above AND below, some part of it is going to be IN the bandpass and I have to give up and move. 73, Guy K2AV From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 19:02:31 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 09:02:31 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: References: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <57ca0508.0520620a.f20ac.64fa@mx.google.com> I rarely use bw above 1.8 on ssb with adjustment on Hi/Lo cut set accordingly. Audio on Rx is very good and also using Yamaha CM500 headset. To "my" ears, this is "nice" to listen to and I have been using these settings for years on my K3. To each his own as it's said often. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Bill" Sent: ?3/?09/?2016 8:12 AM To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? I use two 8 pole at 1.8Khz with the DSP set for 2.1. I like the way it sounds and works. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- John W2ID: You do realize that these are roofing filters and that operating bw is set by the DSP? Of course if you are operating in a dense high signal environment (lots of QRM on adjacent freq) then having a roofing filter that matches your operating bw is helpful. I have both main and sub Rx but only use a duplicate of my SSB filter (2.8-KHz 8-pole) in my sub receiver. I initially bought a 13-KHz filter for the sub-Rx not realizing it was not going to be used for diversity on FM so I sold it soon after purchase. I have 13-KHz because I use my K3/10 with VHF/UHF transverters operating FM. I do no AM but can use that filter for AM. I also bought a 400-Hz filter thinking it would help receiving CW, and it does (almost too good). But having more noise suppression in the narrower bw does help weak CW copy (since I only use CW for eme). Adding more filters to the sub-Rx is not as difficult as to the main-Rx. The sub-Rx has to be removed to add/remove or change filters in the main-Rx. So try to get the arrangement in the main-Rx before installing the sub-Rx. But for casual CW listening I usually dial DSP bw to 1.0 KHz for easier listening. I only run diversity mode for running 2m eme using digital mode of JT65b using MAP65 sw which enables dual receive of two receivers. But like the KX2, both K3 and K3s do not provide IQ interface, so I tap off the 1st IF of both receivers to go to two SDR which are phase-locked in frequency so that diversity info is preserved at the soundcard. Because I tap off the 8.2 MHz IF's the signal does not go thru the roofing filters or the DSP in the K3. The K3 merely acts as a tunable down converter from 28-MHz which what my transverters input at. I know this has little to offer in your decision on filters to install. I kept it simple (one SSB filter in my sub-Rx). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 19:05:07 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 09:05:07 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: References: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <57ca05a3.0429620a.a2fe2.66cc@mx.google.com> I use width/shift for cw, hi/lo cut for ssb. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" Sent: ?3/?09/?2016 9:01 AM To: "Bill" Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Bill wrote: > I use two 8 pole at 1.8Khz with the DSP set for 2.1. I like the way it > sounds and works. > Bill > K9YEQ > That's pretty interesting if you actually have the filters defined in the K3/K3s as 1.8 kHz. Because what will happen when you set front panel WIDTH control (the DSP width) to 2.1 is that the K3 will engage filters defined as 2.1, or the next wider set of filters and will NOT be using the 1.8's. However if you deliberately define those 1.8 filters as 2.1 in the filter setup, then you will basically be hearing the selectivity of the two 1.8 roofers when your WIDTH control is at 2.1. I have my 8 pole 1.8 roofers defined as 1.8. Can't stand them for casual SSB & yak fests, but they are cat's meow for SSB contests. I have to ride the shift control all the time for intelligibility, but that's better than not being able to understand because the crud is terrible above or below. If crud is terrible above AND below, some part of it is going to be IN the bandpass and I have to give up and move. 73, Guy K2AV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 2 19:09:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:09:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> Message-ID: Pete, I think you are mixing too many things together, and they are not necessarily related. Let me try to 'unravel the ball of twine' for you. The birdies/mirror images you encountered are not the fault of LP-Pan, but instead related to either your soundcard cables or the capability of the Panadapter display software that you were using. Since you now have the P3 and are apparently happy with it for the Panadapter display, I suggest you continue to use it. BUT, you cannot display Skimmer on the P3. So 'what to do'? - I would suggest that you use the LP-Pan hardware. Connect the K3 IF output to both the P and the LP-Pan (use a BNC T adapter). Connect the LP-Pan I/Q outputs to your computer soundcard and load Skimmer on your computer. Configure CW Skimmer to use that soundcard and it will display whatever is within it's "hearing range". The document at http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/Files/Skimmerintro.pdf may be helpful with your setup. Note carefully, you do not have to run NaP3 or other panadapter applications - CW Skimmer is independent of those. If you need to run other PC applications (loggers and other rig control applications) that each want to use the COM port connection to your K3 (in addition to CW Skimmer) - only one application can talk with the K3 at the same time. Enter LP-Bridge or Com-O-Com which create virtual ports on your PC. IMHO LP-Bridge is a good choice for use with the K3, but all your applications that want to talk with the K3 will talk instead to their own LP-Bridge virtual ports - only LP-Bridge connects directly to the K3. Hopefully that helps. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/2/2016 2:01 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Hello all, > With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route rather than > the K3, I'm finding I'm at a rather huge disadvantage in terms of CW > operation, and that's Skimmer, which is an absolute game-changer for > everybody who's running it. I just can't figure out how to make it work > acceptably well with the K3S/P3 combination I have here. > > I went the LP-PAN route and the birdies/mirror images make that device > wholly unsuitable for me, so I'm back to square one. I don't want to spend > another small fortune on interface boxes, but something better than LP-PAN > is clearly the answer. I just don't know what it is, what to do once I buy > it, or anything else. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Sep 2 19:30:27 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> Message-ID: My eyes glaze over at the thought of Skimmer, but I heartily agree with Don about LP-Bridge. I use it with my K3s and run my logging program (DXBase), SpectraVue (runs SDR-IQ as bandscope), MMTTY, FLDIGI, N1MM, etc. LP-Bridge will also start all of these programs automatically when executed. On 9/2/2016 4:09 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Pete, > ... > > If you need to run other PC applications (loggers and other rig control > applications) that each want to use the COM port connection to your K3 (in > addition to CW Skimmer) - only one application can talk with the K3 at the > same time. Enter LP-Bridge or Com-O-Com which create virtual ports on your > PC. IMHO LP-Bridge is a good choice for use with the K3, but all your > applications that want to talk with the K3 will talk instead to their own > LP-Bridge virtual ports - only LP-Bridge connects directly to the K3. > > Hopefully that helps. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Sep 2 19:33:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:33:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> Message-ID: Why? And I'm not being factious, I really would like to know the reasons. On 9/2/2016 11:01 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Hello all, > With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route rather than > the K3, From n1al at sonic.net Fri Sep 2 19:38:02 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:38:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> Message-ID: <556d6287-e953-b880-3c4b-43463787d2c7@sonic.net> Excellent explanation Don. Just one thing: > Connect the K3 IF output to both the P and the LP-Pan (use a BNC T > adapter). No adapter is required. The P3 has an internal 3 dB splitter and an IF OUT connector that can be connected to LP-PAN. Just make sure the rear-panel switch is in the "ON" (up) position. Alan N1AL On 09/02/2016 04:09 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Pete, > > I think you are mixing too many things together, and they are not > necessarily related. > Let me try to 'unravel the ball of twine' for you. > > The birdies/mirror images you encountered are not the fault of LP-Pan, > but instead related to either your soundcard cables or the capability of > the Panadapter display software that you were using. > > Since you now have the P3 and are apparently happy with it for the > Panadapter display, I suggest you continue to use it. > > BUT, you cannot display Skimmer on the P3. > > So 'what to do'? - I would suggest that you use the LP-Pan hardware. > Connect the K3 IF output to both the P and the LP-Pan (use a BNC T > adapter). > > Connect the LP-Pan I/Q outputs to your computer soundcard and load > Skimmer on your computer. Configure CW Skimmer to use that soundcard > and it will display whatever is within it's "hearing range". The > document at http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/Files/Skimmerintro.pdf may > be helpful with your setup. > Note carefully, you do not have to run NaP3 or other panadapter > applications - CW Skimmer is independent of those. > > If you need to run other PC applications (loggers and other rig control > applications) that each want to use the COM port connection to your K3 > (in addition to CW Skimmer) - only one application can talk with the K3 > at the same time. Enter LP-Bridge or Com-O-Com which create virtual > ports on your PC. IMHO LP-Bridge is a good choice for use with the K3, > but all your applications that want to talk with the K3 will talk > instead to their own LP-Bridge virtual ports - only LP-Bridge connects > directly to the K3. > > Hopefully that helps. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From lists at subich.com Fri Sep 2 20:19:55 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 20:19:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> Message-ID: <08f13e4a-c192-4118-08c6-ce4b354981d3@subich.com> If you expect 100 KHz (more than 22 KHz) with CW Skimmer you will need to split the receive antenna loop and feed a true SDR (e.g., SDR I/Q, Perseus, QSR1, etc or equivalent) tuned to the bottom of the active band. See the CW skimmer documentation - any configuration that feeds skimmer from the IF and tracks the IF offset is limited to 22 KHz (the operating frequency +/- 11 KHz). This is a design choice made by the developer of CW Skimmer. If you have questions, contact him. The "direct" receiver configuration does not require/use microHAM Router. Other software is used to link logging software and skimmer. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/2/2016 2:01 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Hello all, > With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route rather than > the K3, I'm finding I'm at a rather huge disadvantage in terms of CW > operation, and that's Skimmer, which is an absolute game-changer for > everybody who's running it. I just can't figure out how to make it work > acceptably well with the K3S/P3 combination I have here. > > I went the LP-PAN route and the birdies/mirror images make that device > wholly unsuitable for me, so I'm back to square one. I don't want to spend > another small fortune on interface boxes, but something better than LP-PAN > is clearly the answer. I just don't know what it is, what to do once I buy > it, or anything else. The big limitation I have is whatever devices that I > will need to buy will also have to play well with MicroHam Router software, > and in the past that has left my head spinning. This stuff is SO far beyond > my understanding I feel as if I've been thrown into the deep end of the pool > without knowing how to swim. > > Working backwards, let's say the required end result is to have the CW > portion of whichever band I'm on skimmed and calls displayed on my bandmap > in either N1MM+ or DX Labs' Commander. Not 22kHz worth of calls relative to > my operating frequency, but everything, from .000 to .100 and maybe beyond. > If I'm running in CQWW or ARRL-CW, I'm less impressed with what the cluster > is showing me and would rather rely more heavily on what my own antenna is > picking up. > > I have only two antenna feeds on the property: Whatever's selected on the > tower or a K9AY loop connected to the RX-in line on the back of the K3S. I > don't' have a separate antenna to feed another receiver so I guess the idea > is to take signal off the IF from the P3 out, yes? Like I said, I'm really > very old-school and I need help getting up to speed with all this stuff. I > migrated from a Mark V last year and the learning curve on the K3S is still > as steep as Mt. Everest for me. Any help greatly appreciated, > please'n'thanks! > > --------------------------------------------- > 73 and Good DX > Peter, W2IRT > > > > S/N 10023 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 2 20:32:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 20:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <556d6287-e953-b880-3c4b-43463787d2c7@sonic.net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <556d6287-e953-b880-3c4b-43463787d2c7@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2d6a2624-764c-3de6-b42a-947b313637a3@embarqmail.com> Thanks Alan, Yes, by all means ignore my suggestion about using the T adapter and connect LP-Pan to the IF OUT on the P3. Sorry for my mental lapse - I should have been thinking better, especially since I set up 2 P3s for the Shelby, NC hamfest this afternoon, and knew perfectly well that the P3 has an IF out. That is a replication of the IF IN. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/2/2016 7:38 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > Excellent explanation Don. Just one thing: > > > Connect the K3 IF output to both the P and the LP-Pan (use a BNC T > > adapter). > > No adapter is required. The P3 has an internal 3 dB splitter and an > IF OUT connector that can be connected to LP-PAN. Just make sure the > rear-panel switch is in the "ON" (up) position. > > Alan N1AL > > > > > On 09/02/2016 04:09 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Pete, >> >> I think you are mixing too many things together, and they are not >> necessarily related. >> Let me try to 'unravel the ball of twine' for you. >> >> The birdies/mirror images you encountered are not the fault of LP-Pan, >> but instead related to either your soundcard cables or the capability of >> the Panadapter display software that you were using. >> >> Since you now have the P3 and are apparently happy with it for the >> Panadapter display, I suggest you continue to use it. >> >> BUT, you cannot display Skimmer on the P3. >> >> So 'what to do'? - I would suggest that you use the LP-Pan hardware. >> Connect the K3 IF output to both the P and the LP-Pan (use a BNC T >> adapter). >> >> Connect the LP-Pan I/Q outputs to your computer soundcard and load >> Skimmer on your computer. Configure CW Skimmer to use that soundcard >> and it will display whatever is within it's "hearing range". The >> document at http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/Files/Skimmerintro.pdf may >> be helpful with your setup. >> Note carefully, you do not have to run NaP3 or other panadapter >> applications - CW Skimmer is independent of those. >> >> If you need to run other PC applications (loggers and other rig control >> applications) that each want to use the COM port connection to your K3 >> (in addition to CW Skimmer) - only one application can talk with the K3 >> at the same time. Enter LP-Bridge or Com-O-Com which create virtual >> ports on your PC. IMHO LP-Bridge is a good choice for use with the K3, >> but all your applications that want to talk with the K3 will talk >> instead to their own LP-Bridge virtual ports - only LP-Bridge connects >> directly to the K3. >> >> Hopefully that helps. >> From k9yeq at live.com Fri Sep 2 21:14:52 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 20:14:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: <57ca0508.0520620a.f20ac.64fa@mx.google.com> References: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <57ca0508.0520620a.f20ac.64fa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Exactly what I do and I learned this about 5-6 years ago and left it and enjoyed it. I don?t do contests, but do experience splatter, etc., on 75 meters night time ragchews. Bill From: Gary [mailto:vk1zzgary at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 6:03 PM To: Bill ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? I rarely use bw above 1.8 on ssb with adjustment on Hi/Lo cut set accordingly. Audio on Rx is very good and also using Yamaha CM500 headset. To "my" ears, this is "nice" to listen to and I have been using these settings for years on my K3. To each his own as it's said often. Gary _____ From: Bill Sent: ?3/?09/?2016 8:12 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? I use two 8 pole at 1.8Khz with the DSP set for 2.1. I like the way it sounds and works. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- John W2ID: You do realize that these are roofing filters and that operating bw is set by the DSP? Of course if you are operating in a dense high signal environment (lots of QRM on adjacent freq) then having a roofing filter that matches your operating bw is helpful. I have both main and sub Rx but only use a duplicate of my SSB filter (2.8-KHz 8-pole) in my sub receiver. I initially bought a 13-KHz filter for the sub-Rx not realizing it was not going to be used for diversity on FM so I sold it soon after purchase. I have 13-KHz because I use my K3/10 with VHF/UHF transverters operating FM. I do no AM but can use that filter for AM. I also bought a 400-Hz filter thinking it would help receiving CW, and it does (almost too good). But having more noise suppression in the narrower bw does help weak CW copy (since I only use CW for eme). Adding more filters to the sub-Rx is not as difficult as to the main-Rx. The sub-Rx has to be removed to add/remove or change filters in the main-Rx. So try to get the arrangement in the main-Rx before installing the sub-Rx. But for casual CW listening I usually dial DSP bw to 1.0 KHz for easier listening. I only run diversity mode for running 2m eme using digital mode of JT65b using MAP65 sw which enables dual receive of two receivers. But like the KX2, both K3 and K3s do not provide IQ interface, so I tap off the 1st IF of both receivers to go to two SDR which are phase-locked in frequency so that diversity info is preserved at the soundcard. Because I tap off the 8.2 MHz IF's the signal does not go thru the roofing filters or the DSP in the K3. The K3 merely acts as a tunable down converter from 28-MHz which what my transverters input at. I know this has little to offer in your decision on filters to install. I kept it simple (one SSB filter in my sub-Rx). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From k9yeq at live.com Fri Sep 2 21:15:24 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 20:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? In-Reply-To: <57ca05a3.0429620a.a2fe2.66cc@mx.google.com> References: <201609021917.u82JH6WF028451@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <57ca05a3.0429620a.a2fe2.66cc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Me too. Bill From: Gary [mailto:vk1zzgary at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 6:05 PM To: Guy Olinger K2AV ; Bill Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? I use width/shift for cw, hi/lo cut for ssb. Gary _____ From: Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: ?3/?09/?2016 9:01 AM To: Bill Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended filters for Diversity Receive? On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Bill > wrote: > I use two 8 pole at 1.8Khz with the DSP set for 2.1. I like the way it > sounds and works. > Bill > K9YEQ > That's pretty interesting if you actually have the filters defined in the K3/K3s as 1.8 kHz. Because what will happen when you set front panel WIDTH control (the DSP width) to 2.1 is that the K3 will engage filters defined as 2.1, or the next wider set of filters and will NOT be using the 1.8's. However if you deliberately define those 1.8 filters as 2.1 in the filter setup, then you will basically be hearing the selectivity of the two 1.8 roofers when your WIDTH control is at 2.1. I have my 8 pole 1.8 roofers defined as 1.8. Can't stand them for casual SSB & yak fests, but they are cat's meow for SSB contests. I have to ride the shift control all the time for intelligibility, but that's better than not being able to understand because the crud is terrible above or below. If crud is terrible above AND below, some part of it is going to be IN the bandpass and I have to give up and move. 73, Guy K2AV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From lists at w2irt.net Fri Sep 2 21:28:48 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 21:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> Message-ID: <001801d20582$86546190$92fd24b0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Pete, I think you are mixing too many things together, and they are not necessarily related. Let me try to 'unravel the ball of twine' for you. The birdies/mirror images you encountered are not the fault of LP-Pan, but instead related to either your soundcard cables or the capability of the Panadapter display software that you were using. [pjd] I have tried four different sound cards on a very powerful PC (i7/32GB RAM/SSD that has tons of processor, drive and RAM headroom, with virtually nothing running), the birdies are identical with all the different sound cards. I stuck with the Xonar U5. I've been over the level settings a hundred times and that's not the issue. I believe I read somewhere that an xtal oscillator inside the LP is the cause. There is nothing I can do to fix it. >>Since you now have the P3 and are apparently happy with it for the Panadapter display, I suggest you continue to use it. >>BUT, you cannot display Skimmer on the P3. [pjd] I never did. I use the IF OUT from the K3S backplane to the IF IN on the P3, then use the IF OUT from the P3 (setting the switch on the back to open that port up) to feed into the LP-PAN. [pjd] >>Connect the K3 IF output to both the P and the LP-Pan (use a BNC T adapter). [pjd] See above. Connect the LP-Pan I/Q outputs to your computer soundcard and load Skimmer on your computer. Configure CW Skimmer to use that soundcard and it will display whatever is within it's "hearing range". The document at http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/Files/Skimmerintro.pdf may be helpful with your setup. [pjd] Yes, this was all done when I bought the LP-PAN and Skimmer. It IS working as best it can, but it cannot do what I need it to do, and that's why I'm posting here--unless I've completely misunderstood the LP-PAN limitations. That device seems to only allow me to see something like 22 kHz on either side of my tuned frequency. If I'm working at 14.022, that's great. I can see 14.000 to 12.044. If I'm S&Ping at 14.095 I'm kinda hosed. I reiterate, I need to be able to see then entire CW sub-band (or as much as possible), from 14.000 to 14.100 at least. I'd be good with a 96 kHz spread (14.0-14.096), INDEPENDENT of where my 2nd VFO is tuned. I do not believe LP-PAN can achieve this desired goal, but again, I could be mistaken. >>Note carefully, you do not have to run NaP3 or other panadapter applications - CW Skimmer is independent of those. [pjd] That's good, because I don't' want to run any of those. I just want the decoded calls to show up on my bandmap. If you need to run other PC applications (loggers and other rig control applications) that each want to use the COM port connection to your K3 (in addition to CW Skimmer) - only one application can talk with the K3 at the same time. Enter LP-Bridge or Com-O-Com which create virtual ports on your PC. IMHO LP-Bridge is a good choice for use with the K3, but all your applications that want to talk with the K3 will talk instead to their own LP-Bridge virtual ports - only LP-Bridge connects directly to the K3. [pjd] LP- Bridge will not work on my system, period. I've tried for months to make it play and it just won't. It's also probably not necessary for what I want to do. I get failure after failure, and I'm 99% sure it's conflicting with MicroHam Router (software I desperately wish I could dispense with forever, but I can't achieve half the functionality of my station without a MicroKeyer-II). From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Sep 2 21:44:08 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 18:44:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Contesting filtering out contesters In-Reply-To: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> References: <000001d20542$82f9e000$88eda000$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <4770f3da-db4f-d326-9780-63d4e23cd670@socal.rr.com> True magic for non-contesters would be to filter out all contesters and have a quiet band :-) Guess that's called "Move to WARC bands". Phil W7OX On 9/2/16 10:50 AM, David Smith wrote: > Have a question I feel I know the answer to. I am an avid contester and > when contesting thru the years (since 1978 and especially on 40 meters) have > always had problems filtering out on my receive other contest stations who > bleed over to my receive frequency their signals so I care hear the weaker > stations coming back to me, mainly domestic contests. Thru the years > operated IC 765, Omni 6+ and now the K3S. Still with DSP filtering, etc. I > feel this is a way of life with contesting. Have had this discussion with > many of my big gun contesters and we feel this must be a way of life with > ssb contests. CW contests are much easier to filter out the side to side > stations. My directional antennas on these bands help a lot but guess this > is the way of life with ssb contesting. Would like other input from your > experiences. > > > > Thanks > > > > David, ND4Y (KS3, KS2, KX2 owner) From ingerassociates at cox.net Fri Sep 2 21:44:39 2016 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 18:44:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 Message-ID: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> I have a 12-13 year old K2/100 that doesn't get use much any more except at occasional vacation rentals. I keep thinking it's time to sell it. In June, I sent it to Don Wilhelm to "tweak and peak" it. It came back from Don with a new alignment and a clean bill of health. Right now I have my K3 in pieces to do various upgrades, i.e., more filters and several "K3s upgrades." So the K2 is back in line plugged into my KPA-500 and KAT500 tuner. What a great little radio the K2 is! Sounds great, adequate filtering, and drives the KPA500 to full power with about 20-watts from the K2. I know there have been tons of technical improvements found in radios such as the K3 series and the KX3 (not to mention some other brands), but it is amazing how competent the K2 is. There is no way it can be considered obsolete. I think it going to stay in my shack for a lot longer! 73 de K6SBA David in Santa Barbara, CA From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Sep 2 22:03:34 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> Message-ID: <27e6c6ae-80e3-e4d9-0c25-a32a193e7047@socal.rr.com> I echo what you say, David. I have K2/100 #380 started in July 1999, with all the subsequent A-to-B updates and even some 3rd party goodies. It's still a very solid radio I use in my second operating position. And nice to know I installed everything in it (excepting part of the KDSP2 which came pre-installed). 73, Phil W7OX (in Torrance, CA) On 9/2/16 6:44 PM, David Inger wrote: > I have a 12-13 year old K2/100 that doesn't get use much any more except at > occasional vacation rentals. I keep thinking it's time to sell it. In > June, I sent it to Don Wilhelm to "tweak and peak" it. It came back from > Don with a new alignment and a clean bill of health. > > Right now I have my K3 in pieces to do various upgrades, i.e., more filters > and several "K3s upgrades." So the K2 is back in line plugged into my > KPA-500 and KAT500 tuner. > > What a great little radio the K2 is! Sounds great, adequate filtering, and > drives the KPA500 to full power with about 20-watts from the K2. I know > there have been tons of technical improvements found in radios such as the > K3 series and the KX3 (not to mention some other brands), but it is amazing > how competent the K2 is. There is no way it can be considered obsolete. I > think it going to stay in my shack for a lot longer! > > 73 de K6SBA > David in Santa Barbara, CA From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Fri Sep 2 22:26:00 2016 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k2 Message-ID: <001401d2058a$82eb9a70$88c2cf50$@ca> I'm on the same boat and buying a k2 tomorrow. 73 ve3vtg From lists at w2irt.net Fri Sep 2 23:20:00 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 23:20:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001f01d20592$0e883fa0$2b98bee0$@net> Message: 22 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:30:27 -0700 From: Wes Stewart My eyes glaze over at the thought of Skimmer, but I heartily agree with Don about LP-Bridge. I use it with my K3s and run my logging program (DXBase), SpectraVue (runs SDR-IQ as bandscope), MMTTY, FLDIGI, N1MM, etc. LP-Bridge will also start all of these programs automatically when executed. [pjd] I tried LP-Bridge but it was conflicting with something else in the system, and I'm guessing it was Router. It would just never open any defined ports, or if it did, it would do it once but never again afterwards until I shut the system down and restarted. Too much hassle. I like the KISS principle and all that extra overhead was making my head spin. [pjd] There are two big advantages with Skimmer for me: 1), in contests, I can see what my antenna can hear, not what a massive cluster node can hear. I'm behind a mountain to Europe and only have a single 70' tower and a tribander, and even with the K3S, I can only hear about 50-60% of the spots on the local node. I can't run in CW, so while I'm S&Ping, I can keep my "rate" going if I can definitively see who's where, and not pausing to listen on frequencies that are empty, or missing unspotted calls. 2), in DXing, I want to see the pileup and know exactly where to drop my call in after the last guy is giving his report. I don't enjoy snarling bedlam and the sooner I can get in, work the guy and get out again, the happier I am. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:33:25 -0700 From: Wes Stewart Why? And I'm not being factious, I really would like to know the reasons. On 9/2/2016 11:01 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Hello all, > With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route rather than > the K3, [pjd] They're younger computer-oriented guys, and having the ability to monitor multiple bands at the same time (and for one of the, doing SO2R with one radio). I gotta admit, this intrigues the hell out of me. Plus it's all IP controlled, so no need for a rat's nest behind the radio, and no need for boxes like the MicroHam; everything is controlled via software and IP. Plus according to them, it's far easier to remote than the K3, but I'm not finding any problem with Remotehams to be honest. Still all in all, I'm extremely intrigued by having one box to do everything in the station, especially multiple panadapters built in, SO2R in a box, the ability to monitor and skim several bands at once, keep on RX on 6m JT-65 at all times regardless of what else the radio is doing, etc. I really fell in love with my K3S when I bought it last year and I'm slowly learning to use it, but I have to wonder if I made the right choice when I read their posts about having a pure SDR solution, the ease of setup, etc. I am too old, infirm and poor to travel so I don't need a DXpeditioner's Dream, but rather a DXer/Contester's ultimate weapon. I will probably keep the K3S, but I'm still not convinced it's the right tool for what I need to do and my style of operating. I just don't know enough about modern radios to make an informed decision to be honest. From lists at w2irt.net Fri Sep 2 23:28:31 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 23:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001d20593$401cb400$c0561c00$@net> Message: 25 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 20:19:55 -0400 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" If you expect 100 KHz (more than 22 KHz) with CW Skimmer you will need to split the receive antenna loop and feed a true SDR (e.g., SDR I/Q, Perseus, QSR1, etc or equivalent) tuned to the bottom of the active band. See the CW skimmer documentation - any configuration that feeds skimmer from the IF and tracks the IF offset is limited to 22 KHz (the operating frequency +/- 11 KHz). [pjd] [pjd] Yes, that was my understanding (after having bought the LP-PAN, of course). Is there such a thing as an easily affordable "True SDR"? I priced out the Perseus and it's far out of my ballpark, and the SDR I/Q is no longer being made. >>The "direct" receiver configuration does not require/use microHAM Router. Other software is used to link logging software and skimmer. [pjd] I'm not sure what you mean by that. Can you please elaborate a little? I've tried the LP-Bridge and a NaP3 and that just complicates things far worse. I'm after "dirt simple" and "easy to configure." The last thing I want is for something to get messed up 10 minutes into CQWW-CW and I'm out of the game until I can troubleshoot it. I'm looking for a one-box solution if such a thing exists, set it (document it) and forget it, and it just works whenever N1MM+ is running, or when I'm using DX Labs. I am able to make it work Skimmer work with DX Labs Commander, but, again, subject to the IF limitations that I only realized existed after having bought it. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Sep 3 07:06:26 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 07:06:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <001801d20582$86546190$92fd24b0$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <001801d20582$86546190$92fd24b0$@net> Message-ID: <0dac360d-0d5d-3197-da48-a921d824b7be@embarqmail.com> Pete, You need to blame the right element. It is not LP-Pan, but a limitation of Skimmer. It limits the span to 22kHz when operating from an IF derived system. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/2/2016 9:28 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > [pjd] Yes, this was all done when I bought the LP-PAN and Skimmer. It IS > working as best it can, but it cannot do what I need it to do, and that's > why I'm posting here--unless I've completely misunderstood the LP-PAN > limitations. That device seems to only allow me to see something like 22 kHz > on either side of my tuned frequency. If I'm working at 14.022, that's > great. I can see 14.000 to 12.044. If I'm S&Ping at 14.095 I'm kinda hosed. > > I reiterate, I need to be able to see then entire CW sub-band (or as much as > possible), from 14.000 to 14.100 at least. I'd be good with a 96 kHz spread > (14.0-14.096), INDEPENDENT of where my 2nd VFO is tuned. I do not believe > LP-PAN can achieve this desired goal, but again, I could be mistaken. > > From lightdazzled at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 08:52:05 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:52:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: <27e6c6ae-80e3-e4d9-0c25-a32a193e7047@socal.rr.com> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> <27e6c6ae-80e3-e4d9-0c25-a32a193e7047@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Same thing here. I have a couple of more sophisticated and better spec'd radios but still use my K2/100 routinely at the home QTH. I just don't seem to encounter situations where the K2 doesn't do the job as well as I could wish. There are some instances where the electronic crutches offered by the other radios would make things easier, but for routine use I couldn't ask for more. N.B. - I'm no great contestor or DXer! Chip AE5KA On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I echo what you say, David. I have K2/100 #380 started in July 1999, with > all the subsequent A-to-B updates and even some 3rd party goodies. It's > still a very solid radio I use in my second operating position. And nice to > know I installed everything in it (excepting part of the KDSP2 which came > pre-installed). > > 73, Phil W7OX (in Torrance, CA) > > > On 9/2/16 6:44 PM, David Inger wrote: > >> I have a 12-13 year old K2/100 that doesn't get use much any more except >> at >> occasional vacation rentals. I keep thinking it's time to sell it. In >> June, I sent it to Don Wilhelm to "tweak and peak" it. It came back from >> Don with a new alignment and a clean bill of health. >> Right now I have my K3 in pieces to do various upgrades, i.e., more >> filters >> and several "K3s upgrades." So the K2 is back in line plugged into my >> KPA-500 and KAT500 tuner. >> What a great little radio the K2 is! Sounds great, adequate filtering, >> and >> drives the KPA500 to full power with about 20-watts from the K2. I know >> there have been tons of technical improvements found in radios such as the >> K3 series and the KX3 (not to mention some other brands), but it is >> amazing >> how competent the K2 is. There is no way it can be considered obsolete. >> I >> think it going to stay in my shack for a lot longer! >> 73 de K6SBA >> David in Santa Barbara, CA >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From kb2m at arrl.net Sat Sep 3 10:03:59 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 10:03:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini usb port Message-ID: <026401d205ec$059e0af0$10da20d0$@net> For some reason while running remote I can't access my K3/0 mini via the USB port with DXLab Commander anymore. All else is working remotely, only problem is I can't control anything with my laptop, this all used to work. I haven't used my remote system in awhile, but last time it worked fine. I'm thinking maybe the FTDI driver got updated via win10. I'm at FTDI 2.12.18.0, I think this is the right level. There are no errors reported in any of the comport properties menu's. When I plug the USB cable in, com ports 5 and 6 appear in the device manager list. All looks normal. My DXLab commander setup is. K3, com 5(I also tried 6),38400{same as K3/0),8,N,2,Y,Y. interrogate and enable are checked. Anyone have any ideas, and can someone verify what level FTDI driver there using that works. Thanks. 73 Jeff kb2m From kstover at ac0h.net Sat Sep 3 10:39:20 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 09:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <001801d20582$86546190$92fd24b0$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <001801d20582$86546190$92fd24b0$@net> Message-ID: Bill, As has been said by others in this thread...any bandwidth limitations you get while running Skimmer are because that's the way the developer of Skimmer wanted it or was required to have it. LP-Pan display bandwidth is dictated by nothing other than the bandwidth of you sound card and the software you run to view it. If you're seeing images on the spectrum, again, that's a software thing. I'm sure all the SDR software out there have procedures to null those out. It would be the same if you went the more expensive SDR's They are all single conversion receivers and will generate images. If you were so inclines you could buy a KX3 and use it. Same basic architecture as the high prices SDR's like QS1R and Perseus, RX I/Q output straight to the computer. Skimmer would still be limited to + or - 22KHz and there would still be images that needed nulling via the SDR software. You have a Zonar 5, good card, 192KHz bandwidth. Using it's big brother the U7 (same specs) I get right around 95KHz either side of my VFO frequency on the spectrum display. I can plant my VFO on 14.060 and see the entire CW segment with out touching a thing. I choose not to limit myself by using Skimmer. Crank the displayed bandwidth down to + or - 5KHz on a DX pileup and it's magical. I can see where the last caller was/is in the pileup and can see which way the DX is working the pile, up or down, and put my signal in the right spot for a call. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. As for the conflict between LP-Bridge and Router, it's to be expected. Two applications which do more or less the same thing fighting over control of serial ports. I doubt seriously having both installed on the computer at the same time causes any conflict for either. Using them at the same time most assuredly will. > [pjd] Yes, this was all done when I bought the LP-PAN and Skimmer. It IS > working as best it can, but it cannot do what I need it to do, and that's > why I'm posting here--unless I've completely misunderstood the LP-PAN > limitations. That device seems to only allow me to see something like 22 kHz > on either side of my tuned frequency. If I'm working at 14.022, that's > great. I can see 14.000 to 12.044. If I'm S&Ping at 14.095 I'm kinda hosed. > > I reiterate, I need to be able to see then entire CW sub-band (or as much as > possible), from 14.000 to 14.100 at least. I'd be good with a 96 kHz spread > (14.0-14.096), INDEPENDENT of where my 2nd VFO is tuned. I do not believe > LP-PAN can achieve this desired goal, but again, I could be mistaken. > > >>Note carefully, you do not have to run NaP3 or other panadapter > applications - CW Skimmer is independent of those. > [pjd] That's good, because I don't' want to run any of those. I just want > the decoded calls to show up on my bandmap. > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kstover at ac0h.net Sat Sep 3 10:51:11 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 09:51:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <001801d20582$86546190$92fd24b0$@net> Message-ID: Should read... Having them on most assuredly will. On 9/3/2016 9:39 AM, Kevin wrote: > Bill, > > As has been said by others in this thread...any bandwidth limitations > you get while running Skimmer are because that's the way the developer > of Skimmer wanted it or was required to have it. LP-Pan display > bandwidth is dictated by nothing other than the bandwidth of you sound > card and the software you run to view it. If you're seeing images on > the spectrum, again, that's a software thing. I'm sure all the SDR > software out there have procedures to null those out. It would be the > same if you went the more expensive SDR's They are all single > conversion receivers and will generate images. > > If you were so inclines you could buy a KX3 and use it. Same basic > architecture as the high prices SDR's like QS1R and Perseus, RX I/Q > output straight to the computer. Skimmer would still be limited to + > or - 22KHz and there would still be images that needed nulling via the > SDR software. > > You have a Zonar 5, good card, 192KHz bandwidth. Using it's big > brother the U7 (same specs) I get right around 95KHz either side of my > VFO frequency on the spectrum display. I can plant my VFO on 14.060 > and see the entire CW segment with out touching a thing. I choose not > to limit myself by using Skimmer. Crank the displayed bandwidth down > to + or - 5KHz on a DX pileup and it's magical. I can see where the > last caller was/is in the pileup and can see which way the DX is > working the pile, up or down, and put my signal in the right spot for > a call. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. > > As for the conflict between LP-Bridge and Router, it's to be expected. > Two applications which do more or less the same thing fighting over > control of serial ports. I doubt seriously having both installed on > the computer at the same time causes any conflict for either. Using > them at the same time most assuredly will. > > >> [pjd] Yes, this was all done when I bought the LP-PAN and Skimmer. It IS >> working as best it can, but it cannot do what I need it to do, and >> that's >> why I'm posting here--unless I've completely misunderstood the LP-PAN >> limitations. That device seems to only allow me to see something like >> 22 kHz >> on either side of my tuned frequency. If I'm working at 14.022, that's >> great. I can see 14.000 to 12.044. If I'm S&Ping at 14.095 I'm kinda >> hosed. >> >> I reiterate, I need to be able to see then entire CW sub-band (or as >> much as >> possible), from 14.000 to 14.100 at least. I'd be good with a 96 kHz >> spread >> (14.0-14.096), INDEPENDENT of where my 2nd VFO is tuned. I do not >> believe >> LP-PAN can achieve this desired goal, but again, I could be mistaken. >> >> >>Note carefully, you do not have to run NaP3 or other panadapter >> applications - CW Skimmer is independent of those. >> [pjd] That's good, because I don't' want to run any of those. I just >> want >> the decoded calls to show up on my bandmap. >> >> > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n4zr at contesting.com Sat Sep 3 11:04:07 2016 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 11:04:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <08f13e4a-c192-4118-08c6-ce4b354981d3@subich.com> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <08f13e4a-c192-4118-08c6-ce4b354981d3@subich.com> Message-ID: I assume the K3S also has the RX IN/OUT jacks of the K3. In that case you can put a splitter in the line from RX out, and feed one leg back through RX IN. Then, any time you select the RX antenna from the front panel you will send all signals from the antenna both to the K23S and to a separate SDR, albeit with about a 3.5 dB loss in each signal. To achieve what you want, I suggest looking at the WaterfallBandmap by Steve London, N2IC. It is a free app that can be downloaded from . I won't try to replicate the very good documentation in the zipfile, but I believe it accomplishes everything you would want in terms of integration among CW Skimmer, your radio, and N1MM+. It incorporates a separate clickable waterfall/bandmap that tracks with your radio. Anyhow, have a look. Steve heartily recommends the $149 SDRPlay SDR , which eliminates need for a sound card to be in the loop as well as a lot of the problems with images that involving as sound card brings into the mix.. 73, Pete N4ZR Download the new N1MM Logger+ at . Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at , now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. On 9/2/2016 8:19 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > If you expect 100 KHz (more than 22 KHz) with CW Skimmer you will need > to split the receive antenna loop and feed a true SDR (e.g., SDR I/Q, > Perseus, QSR1, etc or equivalent) tuned to the bottom of the active > band. See the CW skimmer documentation - any configuration that feeds > skimmer from the IF and tracks the IF offset is limited to 22 KHz (the > operating frequency +/- 11 KHz). > > This is a design choice made by the developer of CW Skimmer. If you > have questions, contact him. > > The "direct" receiver configuration does not require/use microHAM > Router. Other software is used to link logging software and skimmer. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 9/2/2016 2:01 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: >> Hello all, >> With the vast majority of my friends having gone the Flex route >> rather than >> the K3, I'm finding I'm at a rather huge disadvantage in terms of CW >> operation, and that's Skimmer, which is an absolute game-changer for >> everybody who's running it. I just can't figure out how to make it work >> acceptably well with the K3S/P3 combination I have here. >> >> I went the LP-PAN route and the birdies/mirror images make that device >> wholly unsuitable for me, so I'm back to square one. I don't want to >> spend >> another small fortune on interface boxes, but something better than >> LP-PAN >> is clearly the answer. I just don't know what it is, what to do once >> I buy >> it, or anything else. The big limitation I have is whatever devices >> that I >> will need to buy will also have to play well with MicroHam Router >> software, >> and in the past that has left my head spinning. This stuff is SO far >> beyond >> my understanding I feel as if I've been thrown into the deep end of >> the pool >> without knowing how to swim. >> >> Working backwards, let's say the required end result is to have the CW >> portion of whichever band I'm on skimmed and calls displayed on my >> bandmap >> in either N1MM+ or DX Labs' Commander. Not 22kHz worth of calls >> relative to >> my operating frequency, but everything, from .000 to .100 and maybe >> beyond. >> If I'm running in CQWW or ARRL-CW, I'm less impressed with what the >> cluster >> is showing me and would rather rely more heavily on what my own >> antenna is >> picking up. >> >> I have only two antenna feeds on the property: Whatever's selected on >> the >> tower or a K9AY loop connected to the RX-in line on the back of the >> K3S. I >> don't' have a separate antenna to feed another receiver so I guess >> the idea >> is to take signal off the IF from the P3 out, yes? Like I said, I'm >> really >> very old-school and I need help getting up to speed with all this >> stuff. I >> migrated from a Mark V last year and the learning curve on the K3S is >> still >> as steep as Mt. Everest for me. Any help greatly appreciated, >> please'n'thanks! >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> 73 and Good DX >> Peter, W2IRT >> >> >> >> S/N 10023 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4zr at contesting.com > From esteptony at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 11:29:00 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 10:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <0dac360d-0d5d-3197-da48-a921d824b7be@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <001801d20582$86546190$92fd24b0$@net> <0dac360d-0d5d-3197-da48-a921d824b7be@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > ....It is not LP-Pan... =============== As all the others have pointed out, the problem here has nothing to do with LP-Pan. Using NaP3, for example, you can have a birdie-free display of 96Khz on either side, if your sound card is up to it and you set up the software properly. Having tried both setups extensively, I can assure you that you will get far superior performance from the combo of LP-Pan and NaP3 than you will get from a Flex. It also is perfectly possible if you know what you're doing to run NaP3 and Skimmer simultaneously. Tony KT0NY From cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com Sat Sep 3 12:22:38 2016 From: cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com (Cameron Francey) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 16:22:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> <27e6c6ae-80e3-e4d9-0c25-a32a193e7047@socal.rr.com>, Message-ID: I'm in the middle of building my K2, and just last week I got to the Phase 2 testing stage, and wow! I'm really impressed. I done an A/B comparison between my Ten Tec Omni 7 which I thought was a quiet receiver until I compared it to the K2. The noise floor on the K2 is much lower so its much more pleasant to listen to the K2. You wont be disappointed with the K2 and also get a lot more satisfaction with every QSO on a radio that you understand how every part of it works. My K2 should be finished and all the options added ready for the winter when I spend most time on the air. My K1 has been in use since I completed it in June and I also love that little radio. One point to mention, save your self some diagnosis time and follow Gary and Don's advice when it comes to the encoder part. The circuit board strikes the control board if you follow the instructions that come with the kit. You have to trim all the leads short and also put a small insulator of some sort between the board to prevent it making contact. I updated my instructions as below based on this email I sent to support saying I ran into the issue and thought my suggestion might save others some time and hassle. Thats when I heard others had already ran into the same issue. All the other steps in the instructions are great and really easy to follow, quite simply the best I have read! A lot of time must have went into getting them as good as they are, a big thumbs up to the people at Elecraft who worked on them! Email: I just encountered an issue while testing phase 1 of the RF board. Managed to figure out what was causing it, but thought I should highlight what I found and possibly have the step modified for the instructions to save someone else the same troubleshooting time/effort. When I got to the step on page 44 the second check box is to test the VFO knob in both directions. I found my one didn't work unless I held the control board and the front panel board apart at the top. The reason was the encoder board IC pins were coming in contact with the control board. The board and the encoder were all properly seated and the soldering was neat. There simply just isn't much clearance between them. What I had to do was trim the IC pins really short. My suggestion for the encoder step would be a change in the printed instruction sheet that is supplied with the "Elecraft K2 New Encoder Installation" print out. I know it says to trim the leads, but its not normal to trim IC pins as well so just wanted to make that point more prominent. Page 2 of 4 reads as below: "Install the resistors, capacitors and PIC on the pc board as shown below. Be sure to align the notched end of the PIC with the notch in the silk screen outline on the pc board. Solder and trim the leads flush with the reverse side of the PC board" My suggestion is below: "Install the resistors, capacitors and PIC on the pc board as shown below. Be sure to align the notched end of the PIC with the notch in the silk screen outline on the pc board. Solder and trim ALL the leads including the pins on the PIC flush with the reverse side of the PC board" Good luck with your build. 73, Cameron - AF7DK ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Chip Stratton Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 5:52 AM To: Phil Wheeler Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 Same thing here. I have a couple of more sophisticated and better spec'd radios but still use my K2/100 routinely at the home QTH. I just don't seem to encounter situations where the K2 doesn't do the job as well as I could wish. There are some instances where the electronic crutches offered by the other radios would make things easier, but for routine use I couldn't ask for more. N.B. - I'm no great contestor or DXer! Chip AE5KA On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I echo what you say, David. I have K2/100 #380 started in July 1999, with > all the subsequent A-to-B updates and even some 3rd party goodies. It's > still a very solid radio I use in my second operating position. And nice to > know I installed everything in it (excepting part of the KDSP2 which came > pre-installed). > > 73, Phil W7OX (in Torrance, CA) > > > On 9/2/16 6:44 PM, David Inger wrote: > >> I have a 12-13 year old K2/100 that doesn't get use much any more except >> at >> occasional vacation rentals. I keep thinking it's time to sell it. In >> June, I sent it to Don Wilhelm to "tweak and peak" it. It came back from >> Don with a new alignment and a clean bill of health. >> Right now I have my K3 in pieces to do various upgrades, i.e., more >> filters >> and several "K3s upgrades." So the K2 is back in line plugged into my >> KPA-500 and KAT500 tuner. >> What a great little radio the K2 is! Sounds great, adequate filtering, >> and >> drives the KPA500 to full power with about 20-watts from the K2. I know >> there have been tons of technical improvements found in radios such as the >> K3 series and the KX3 (not to mention some other brands), but it is >> amazing >> how competent the K2 is. There is no way it can be considered obsolete. >> I >> think it going to stay in my shack for a lot longer! >> 73 de K6SBA >> David in Santa Barbara, CA >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com From ai6do at yahoo.com Sat Sep 3 12:17:44 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 16:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 battery in PX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <257762359.170181.1472919464936@mail.yahoo.com> >When I am portable, simple is better,? I used to think so too, but after operating portable with and without the PX3 several times over the past few months, I've found I'm much more productive with it than without, enough that I bring the PX3 along even though I have essentially a pedestrian-mobile setup except for the antenna.? >internal battery which simplifies portable setup,? I use a Y-adapter cable from Pro Audio Engineering?that splits power into two 2.1mm ports that's sized perfectly to connect the KX3 and PX3, which simplifies the connection to a single battery. Not as clean as an internal battery, but I'm not a fan of having to open and close my radio gear frequently to get at the batteries.? 73, Ryan AI6DO From nn7uct at yahoo.com Sat Sep 3 13:44:34 2016 From: nn7uct at yahoo.com (Chuck Teague) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 10:44:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> Message-ID: <1472924674357-7622141.post@n2.nabble.com> I have to join the chorus prising the K2. I've had mine about nine years and couldn't bear to part with it even though it has been replaced as the main station by the K line. I decide it needed a job so put it on JT65 where it just trucks along. I have W3FPR's fixed audio output in it as well as the rtty filters and it just does a fine job. Chuck NN7U ----- Chuck Teague NN7U -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/In-Praise-of-the-K2-tp7622127p7622141.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Sep 3 19:58:22 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 19:58:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with KPod In-Reply-To: <9681f58c-a822-939b-e0ca-650daf8e73e1@tx.rr.com> References: <1472778343770-7622090.post@n2.nabble.com>, <9681f58c-a822-939b-e0ca-650daf8e73e1@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <57CB639E.30647.E286585@Gary.ka1j.com> I would much rather have the K-Pod control the P3 and use remaining buttons to handle specific functions on the K3s. That is how it would be most useful to me. If I had a PigKnob as well, I'd have the Begali, the mouse, the K-Pod and the pigknob all on the right side of my keyboard. How over crowded is that? 73, Gary KA1J > This is a capability that's not currently available. There are a few of > us out here who would also like to see it happen, but given that the > K-Pod communicates directly with the radio CPU it might take a good bit > of software to make the radio talk back to the P3. I'm personally more > hopeful that the P3 code can be modified to make it controllable via a > PigKnob, which operates in the RS232 channel. Let's hope we see some > development effort in the future. > > 73... > Randy, W8FN > > On 9/1/2016 8:05 PM, Chuck Teague via Elecraft wrote: > > I'm just getting started using macros, and would like to control the P3 via > > the KPod as much as possible. Can the Markers be controlled via the KPod > > knob. I can turn the markers on and off and qsy to one or the other, but > > can find no way to assign the P3 knob to the KPod knob. Am I missing > > something? > > > > > > > > ----- > > Chuck Teague > > NN7U > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sat Sep 3 20:04:00 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 20:04:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - new manu and config options in 5.50 In-Reply-To: <1472924674357-7622141.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> <1472924674357-7622141.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <083a7547-e382-3596-ca90-5b0ea1bacc9c@ilstu.edu> Hi gang, I recently upgraded the firmware to 5.50, and most of the functionality seems to have been preserved. However, it is clear from scrolling through the "menu" and "config" offerings that there are many settings which have been added since my owners manual was issued on April 12, 2010. Is there an internet source of the main and config "Menu Functions" tables? Thanks, George, W3HBM From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Sep 3 20:28:31 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 20:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - new manu and config options in 5.50 In-Reply-To: <083a7547-e382-3596-ca90-5b0ea1bacc9c@ilstu.edu> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> <1472924674357-7622141.post@n2.nabble.com> <083a7547-e382-3596-ca90-5b0ea1bacc9c@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <54cf2631-675f-0afe-a6c5-c0d0e686b1db@embarqmail.com> George, Download the newer K3 (or K3S) manual from the Elecraft website. Also look at the Firmware revision notes for firmware revisions that hav occurred since the date on that manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/3/2016 8:04 PM, George Kidder wrote: > Hi gang, > > I recently upgraded the firmware to 5.50, and most of the > functionality seems to have been preserved. However, it is clear from > scrolling through the "menu" and "config" offerings that there are > many settings which have been added since my owners manual was issued > on April 12, 2010. Is there an internet source of the main and config > "Menu Functions" tables? From dick at elecraft.com Sat Sep 3 20:36:56 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 17:36:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - new manu and config options in 5.50 In-Reply-To: <083a7547-e382-3596-ca90-5b0ea1bacc9c@ilstu.edu> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> <1472924674357-7622141.post@n2.nabble.com> <083a7547-e382-3596-ca90-5b0ea1bacc9c@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <002201d20644$7104d2d0$530e7870$@elecraft.com> The file you want is probably already on your computer. The K3 Utility will display the "firmware release notes" file that was copied to your computer when you fetched the most recent firmware. It's in K3 Utility Help, K3 Firmware Release Notes. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George Kidder Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 17:04 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - new manu and config options in 5.50 Hi gang, I recently upgraded the firmware to 5.50, and most of the functionality seems to have been preserved. However, it is clear from scrolling through the "menu" and "config" offerings that there are many settings which have been added since my owners manual was issued on April 12, 2010. Is there an internet source of the main and config "Menu Functions" tables? Thanks, George, W3HBM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Sep 3 20:45:27 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 20:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini usb port In-Reply-To: <026401d205ec$059e0af0$10da20d0$@net> References: <026401d205ec$059e0af0$10da20d0$@net> Message-ID: <2cfe0dcf-1814-b38d-834b-537b7aa83bb2@embarqmail.com> Jeff, How many DE-9 connectors are there on your USB to serial adapter? If only one (which is normal), then only one COM port should be defined. That fact that you find 2 COM ports in device manager is cause for question unless you have an adapter with 2 physical serial ports. Don W3FPR On 9/3/2016 10:03 AM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > I'm at FTDI 2.12.18.0, > I think this is the right level. There are no errors reported in any of the > comport properties menu's. When I plug the USB cable in, com ports 5 and 6 > appear in the device manager list. All looks normal. My DXLab commander > setup is. K3, com 5(I also tried 6),38400{same as K3/0),8,N,2,Y,Y. > interrogate and enable are checked. > > Anyone have any ideas, and can someone verify what level FTDI driver there > using that works. Thanks. > > From fcady at montana.edu Sat Sep 3 21:32:18 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 01:32:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - new manu and config options in 5.50 In-Reply-To: <002201d20644$7104d2d0$530e7870$@elecraft.com> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> <1472924674357-7622141.post@n2.nabble.com> <083a7547-e382-3596-ca90-5b0ea1bacc9c@ilstu.edu>, <002201d20644$7104d2d0$530e7870$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: This may not be completely up-to-date but it might be a help. http://www.ke7x.com/home/guide-to-the-k3/k3-main-and-configuration-menus Cheer, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Dick Dievendorff Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 6:36 PM To: gkidder at ilstu.edu; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - new manu and config options in 5.50 The file you want is probably already on your computer. The K3 Utility will display the "firmware release notes" file that was copied to your computer when you fetched the most recent firmware. It's in K3 Utility Help, K3 Firmware Release Notes. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George Kidder Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 17:04 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - new manu and config options in 5.50 Hi gang, I recently upgraded the firmware to 5.50, and most of the functionality seems to have been preserved. However, it is clear from scrolling through the "menu" and "config" offerings that there are many settings which have been added since my owners manual was issued on April 12, 2010. Is there an internet source of the main and config "Menu Functions" tables? Thanks, George, W3HBM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From rcrgs at verizon.net Sat Sep 3 23:56:41 2016 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 03:56:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> Message-ID: <57CB9B79.5030102@verizon.net> I've had my K2 for 10+ years and use it for Field Days, trips up the hill to visit the kids, and any other portable events. It is always up to the task in every respect. I wouldn't think of selling it. The K3 line is wonderful, and I'm fortunate to be housing the three of them. But, the K2 remains the patriarch of the bunch. ...robert On 09/03/2016 01:44, David Inger wrote: > I have a 12-13 year old K2/100 that doesn't get use much any more except at > occasional vacation rentals. I keep thinking it's time to sell it. In > June, I sent it to Don Wilhelm to "tweak and peak" it. It came back from > Don with a new alignment and a clean bill of health. > > Right now I have my K3 in pieces to do various upgrades, i.e., more filters > and several "K3s upgrades." So the K2 is back in line plugged into my > KPA-500 and KAT500 tuner. > > What a great little radio the K2 is! Sounds great, adequate filtering, and > drives the KPA500 to full power with about 20-watts from the K2. I know > there have been tons of technical improvements found in radios such as the > K3 series and the KX3 (not to mention some other brands), but it is amazing > how competent the K2 is. There is no way it can be considered obsolete. I > think it going to stay in my shack for a lot longer! > > 73 de K6SBA > David in Santa Barbara, CA -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From kevinr at coho.net Sun Sep 4 00:24:21 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 21:24:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <0ca8d2c3-1905-27af-4aaf-7261bc9fe308@coho.net> Good Evening, Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 02:28:48 2016 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 08:28:48 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: <57CB9B79.5030102@verizon.net> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> <57CB9B79.5030102@verizon.net> Message-ID: Same here, I built my K2 in May 2000. What a joy, including winding all those toroids, I will never part with it. Although I now have the K- Line it always amazes me when I listen to the K2, it's just so quiet with such sweet audio. 73, F5VJC On 4 September 2016 at 05:56, Robert G Strickland wrote: > I've had my K2 for 10+ years and use it for Field Days, trips up the hill > to visit the kids, and any other portable events. It is always up to the > task in every respect. I wouldn't think of selling it. The K3 line is > wonderful, and I'm fortunate to be housing the three of them. But, the K2 > remains the patriarch of the bunch. > ...robert > > On 09/03/2016 01:44, David Inger wrote: > >> I have a 12-13 year old K2/100 that doesn't get use much any more except >> at >> occasional vacation rentals. I keep thinking it's time to sell it. In >> June, I sent it to Don Wilhelm to "tweak and peak" it. It came back from >> Don with a new alignment and a clean bill of health. >> >> Right now I have my K3 in pieces to do various upgrades, i.e., more >> filters >> and several "K3s upgrades." So the K2 is back in line plugged into my >> KPA-500 and KAT500 tuner. >> >> What a great little radio the K2 is! Sounds great, adequate filtering, >> and >> drives the KPA500 to full power with about 20-watts from the K2. I know >> there have been tons of technical improvements found in radios such as the >> K3 series and the KX3 (not to mention some other brands), but it is >> amazing >> how competent the K2 is. There is no way it can be considered obsolete. >> I >> think it going to stay in my shack for a lot longer! >> >> 73 de K6SBA >> David in Santa Barbara, CA >> > > > -- > Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY > rcrgs at verizon.net.usa > Syracuse, New York, USA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From lists at w2irt.net Sun Sep 4 09:50:41 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:50:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004e01d206b3$542f8a00$fc8e9e00$@net> From: Tony Estep Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S =============== As all the others have pointed out, the problem here has nothing to do with LP-Pan. Using NaP3, for example, you can have a birdie-free display of 96Khz on either side, if your sound card is up to it and you set up the software properly. Having tried both setups extensively, I can assure you that you will get far superior performance from the combo of LP-Pan and NaP3 than you will get from a Flex. It also is perfectly possible if you know what you're doing to run NaP3 and Skimmer simultaneously. Tony KT0NY [pjd] Except I don't really care about seeing a waterfall or having yet *another* piece of software (NaP3) open unless it's absolutely required. What I want is a box in the background to do the decoding of ~100 kHz worth of signals at the bottom of the band my K3S is tuned to, feed the output of that box into Skimmer and have the callsigns displayed on the N1MM+ bandmap during contests. As I indicated earlier, I'm behind a mountain to Europe and roughly half the RBN spots that get sent to my station aren't copyable or aren't there, etc. A live local Skimmer will tell me what is coming to my antenna and will save me time when I'm S&Ping, going only to known, copied callsigns. For finding the winning callsigns in a DXpedition pileup, just looking at the Skimmer interface ought to be able to do that for me, no? I don't see what NaP3 brings to the table in that regard. My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A, the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface. Find the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything from about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the birdies/mirror images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer turned out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down, rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup was insane. I'm quite intrigued by the SDRplay box, and if anybody's using one I'd be most grateful if they could contact me directly. If that can give me the result I'm looking for (decoding the bottom of the currently tuned band), then that's my next purchase. Thanks again to everyone for your help. 73, Peter, W2IRT From phriendly1 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 10:28:01 2016 From: phriendly1 at yahoo.com (Julius Fazekas n2wn) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 07:28:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: QRP K2 160-10M KAT, KBT, KIO, KAF, KNB Message-ID: <1472999281006-7622152.post@n2.nabble.com> I have for sale one K2 QRP CW rig. 160 through 10. Includes K160X, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2 and KBT2 with a new battery (about 2 months old). Plus more parts and stuff. I built and used this radio. Asking $795 shipped CONUS. Serial #4455 all mods done. Pictures available, well cared for, more radios than time. Thanks for looking. 72, Julius n2wn ----- Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-QRP-K2-160-10M-KAT-KBT-KIO-KAF-KNB-tp7622152.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at comcast.net Sun Sep 4 10:37:28 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 14:37:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <004e01d206b3$542f8a00$fc8e9e00$@net> References: <004e01d206b3$542f8a00$fc8e9e00$@net> Message-ID: <57CC31A8.2080201@comcast.net> In fact you can run both SKIMMER and the wider range panadapter software off the same sound card. At least is works in WIN7. YMMV with WIN8 and WIN10. I run SKIMMER and ROCKY simultaneously. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 9/4/2016 13:50 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > From: Tony Estep > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S > > =============== > As all the others have pointed out, the problem here has nothing to do with > LP-Pan. Using NaP3, for example, you can have a birdie-free display of > 96Khz on either side, if your sound card is up to it and you set up the > software properly. Having tried both setups extensively, I can assure you > that you will get far superior performance from the combo of LP-Pan and > NaP3 than you will get from a Flex. It also is perfectly possible if you > know what you're doing to run NaP3 and Skimmer simultaneously. > > Tony KT0NY > > [pjd] Except I don't really care about seeing a waterfall or having yet > *another* piece of software (NaP3) open unless it's absolutely required. > What I want is a box in the background to do the decoding of ~100 kHz worth > of signals at the bottom of the band my K3S is tuned to, feed the output of > that box into Skimmer and have the callsigns displayed on the N1MM+ bandmap > during contests. As I indicated earlier, I'm behind a mountain to Europe and > roughly half the RBN spots that get sent to my station aren't copyable or > aren't there, etc. A live local Skimmer will tell me what is coming to my > antenna and will save me time when I'm S&Ping, going only to known, copied > callsigns. > > For finding the winning callsigns in a DXpedition pileup, just looking at > the Skimmer interface ought to be able to do that for me, no? I don't see > what NaP3 brings to the table in that regard. > > My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A, > the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface. Find > the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything from > about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the birdies/mirror > images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I > would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer turned > out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this > spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down, > rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup was > insane. > > I'm quite intrigued by the SDRplay box, and if anybody's using one I'd be > most grateful if they could contact me directly. If that can give me the > result I'm looking for (decoding the bottom of the currently tuned band), > then that's my next purchase. > > Thanks again to everyone for your help. > > 73, > Peter, W2IRT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com Sun Sep 4 11:35:59 2016 From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 15:35:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? Message-ID: I have been having some mostly transmission issues that I suspect might be related to the power supply. The issue is intermittent failure of the K3 to generate full power on transmit. It operated fine for an hour or two at Field Day but suddenly we were QRP on my k3/100. No error messages, just would not deliver full power. When I got home I was told to re-install firmware and calibrate transmitter. Did that and everything worked fine again. Yesterday while working on getting a new installation of PACTOR running I got an ERR DSE message which is solved by, again, re-installing firmware and DSP. Again, it ran after the K3's software was refreshed. >From what I have seen errors like this could be traced to erratic power supply issues. My power supply is a 15 year old Astron RS-35M. I adjusted the operating voltage up a bit as I am also using a PWRGate PG40s to mediate charging of some gel cell storage batteries. I usually leave the Astron on all the time. My K3 is currently wired direct to the Astron with heavier gauge wiring so I am getting power direct from the Astron with no mediation through batteries or the PWRGate. Anybody have any thoughts to what might be going on? I have a K3 in the 3900 serial number range, running latest (non-beta) firmware. K3 has most of the bells and whistles including sub receiver and has been upgraded with the new synthesizers. From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 11:42:22 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:42:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: George, Does your K3 have the gold PA pin upgrade? Are the nuts on the filter cap studs that mount the circuit board tight? 73 K0PP From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com Sun Sep 4 12:12:46 2016 From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 16:12:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The long history was that a few years ago I lent the rig for Field Day use and something unknown went wrong. There was a nut that came loose inside the rig and there might have been a short circuit somewhere. The rig was sent back to Elecraft for diagnosis and repair and it was fully worked over including all the mods including gold pins. It came back fine and I did not open the case between then and this year's Field Day power transmit failure. After Field Day I re-flashed the firmware and recalibrated transmit and it worked fine again although it did not get heavy use as my main antenna was down for servicing. The synthesizers were upgraded about two weeks ago without a problem. From: Ken G Kopp [mailto:kengkopp at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:42 AM To: George Thornton ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? George, Does your K3 have the gold PA pin upgrade? Are the nuts on the filter cap studs that mount the circuit board tight? 73 K0PP ________________________________ From ava622 at verizon.net Sun Sep 4 12:13:42 2016 From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 12:13:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Message-ID: <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI 73 Mike WB6DJI From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Sep 4 12:23:25 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:23:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, yes: "Lent the rig for Field Day use". I did that only when I could be there and could watch such things closely. My only loss was a sledgehammer I loaned. It came back "repaired" with duct tape, and totally useless. I've kept it that way and a reminder about the risk of loaning things for use at Field Day :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 9/4/16 9:12 AM, George Thornton wrote: > The long history was that a few years ago I lent the rig for Field Day use and something unknown went wrong. There was a nut that came loose inside the rig and there might have been a short circuit somewhere. > > The rig was sent back to Elecraft for diagnosis and repair and it was fully worked over including all the mods including gold pins. It came back fine and I did not open the case between then and this year's Field Day power transmit failure. > > After Field Day I re-flashed the firmware and recalibrated transmit and it worked fine again although it did not get heavy use as my main antenna was down for servicing. > > The synthesizers were upgraded about two weeks ago without a problem. > > > > From: Ken G Kopp [mailto:kengkopp at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:42 AM > To: George Thornton ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? > > > George, > > Does your K3 have the gold PA pin upgrade? > > Are the nuts on the filter cap studs that mount the circuit board tight? > > 73 > > K0PP From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 12:24:23 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 10:24:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: George, I shudda been more clear and asked if the nuts on the filter cap studs that hold the circuit board in place atop the caps inside your Astron are tight. This is the circuit board with the output voltage adjustment pot on the bottom that's difficult to reach> (;-) 73 K0PP On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, George Thornton < gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com> wrote: > The long history was that a few years ago I lent the rig for Field Day use > and something unknown went wrong. There was a nut that came loose inside > the rig and there might have been a short circuit somewhere. > > The rig was sent back to Elecraft for diagnosis and repair and it was > fully worked over including all the mods including gold pins. It came back > fine and I did not open the case between then and this year's Field Day > power transmit failure. > > After Field Day I re-flashed the firmware and recalibrated transmit and it > worked fine again although it did not get heavy use as my main antenna was > down for servicing. > > The synthesizers were upgraded about two weeks ago without a problem. > > > > From: Ken G Kopp [mailto:kengkopp at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:42 AM > To: George Thornton ; > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related > to power supply? > > > George, > > Does your K3 have the gold PA pin upgrade? > > Are the nuts on the filter cap studs that mount the circuit board tight? > > 73 > > K0PP > > ________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Sep 4 12:56:01 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? Message-ID: Sometimes power supply problems become very obvious if you look at the power supply output with an oscilloscope. 73 Bill AE6JV --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower From ar at dseven.org Sun Sep 4 13:23:54 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 10:23:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini usb port In-Reply-To: <2cfe0dcf-1814-b38d-834b-537b7aa83bb2@embarqmail.com> References: <026401d205ec$059e0af0$10da20d0$@net> <2cfe0dcf-1814-b38d-834b-537b7aa83bb2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > How many DE-9 connectors are there on your USB to serial adapter? Pretty sure that would be zero, since it's inside the K3/0-mini. > If only one (which is normal), then only one COM port should be defined. > That fact that you find 2 COM ports in device manager is cause for question > unless you have an adapter with 2 physical serial ports. It's normal for the K3/0-mini to present two virtual COM ports. Jeff, can the K3 Utility talk to your K3/0-mini (when no other software is attempting to do so)? That will tell you if the problem is with the COM port plumbing or the DXLab Suite config. 73, ~iain / N6ML > On 9/3/2016 10:03 AM, Jeff Griffin wrote: >> >> I'm at FTDI 2.12.18.0, >> I think this is the right level. There are no errors reported in any of >> the >> comport properties menu's. When I plug the USB cable in, com ports 5 and 6 >> appear in the device manager list. All looks normal. My DXLab commander >> setup is. K3, com 5(I also tried 6),38400{same as K3/0),8,N,2,Y,Y. >> interrogate and enable are checked. >> >> Anyone have any ideas, and can someone verify what level FTDI driver there >> using that works. Thanks. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Sep 4 19:52:54 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 19:52:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mysterious intermittent failure possibly related to power supply? In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <57CCB3D6.17634.1898BDD@Gary.ka1j.com> Is it possible that you use the auto-tuner at home, some gremlin at FD pushed the ATU and put it into Bypass or adjusted it for that FD antenna and it no longer plays nice with your antenna at home, with the K3 folding back with things not copaesthetic as they were when you let your baby into the hands of varmits? Of course if this were the case, you kept a back up of your configuration so you could restore it to the "As-left-the-shack-after-being-loaned-out-and-being-returned-to-me" condition. Yes? Just a guess, if the tuner is set for something much different than your home antennas, it'll fold back the power. Check that before wringing your hands. If not, maybe wringing of hands might help... Just an Idear, 73, Gary KA1J From davidahrendts at me.com Sun Sep 4 20:15:23 2016 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 17:15:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and P3 For Sale Message-ID: Making a life adjustment. My July 2015 K3S #10125 and it?s companion P3 are now up for sale ? both top of the line, MINT: K3S: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182268272436?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 P3: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182268319908?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 David A., KK6DA, Los Angeles David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From n8lp at telepostinc.com Sun Sep 4 21:02:27 2016 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 21:02:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57CCC423.8030501@telepostinc.com> Running Router and LP-Bridge should not be a problem at all if Router is properly configured. I ran this setup for a long time. Make sure you're not asking both programs to create or use the same port. Also, make sure both are using the latest major software release from Eltima (LPB and Router both use Eltima drivers). I think it's 8.xx. Doesn't matter what the minor revision levels are. Sometime Router can be picky about which program was installed last because of pointers to the drivers. If you installed LPB last, try reinstalling Router again. I think the other issues have been well covered by others contributing to this thread. Sorry for the delayed response. I get the Digest version of the reflector delivered a couple times a day. 73, Larry N8LP On 9/4/2016 2:28 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 09:51:11 -0500 > From: Kevin > To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Should read... Having them on most assuredly will. From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 4 23:34:19 2016 From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (Scott Bastian) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 03:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] GEMS Products web page References: <595943912.1204794.1473046459063.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595943912.1204794.1473046459063@mail.yahoo.com> Greetings I am updating my web page please stand by I should be up and running tomorrow!?? Scott AK6Q?? From lists at w2irt.net Mon Sep 5 00:29:07 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 21:29:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about $6,000 on an outdated design? ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622157h48 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI 73 Mike WB6DJI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cautery at montac.com Mon Sep 5 01:14:44 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 00:14:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> Message-ID: <1552bf79-f038-e773-37a1-3c94eafc602a@montac.com> Whatever... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > From glcazzola at alice.it Mon Sep 5 01:33:53 2016 From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 07:33:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] R: Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> Message-ID: <20160905053353.6238290.3886.17645@alice.it> Skimmer ultra assisted is real radio contesting or is a kind of automation that kill contesting? I think that this is not ham radio but another thing. I like my K3S with P3, I make qso unassisted, and I think THIS ?is amateur radio. 73 de IK4EWX. Invio?eseguito?dallo?smartphone?BlackBerry?10. ? Messaggio originale ? Da: Peter W2IRT Inviato: luned? 5 settembre 2016 06:30 A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Oggetto: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about $6,000 on an outdated design? ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622157h48 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI 73 Mike WB6DJI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to glcazzola at alice.it From Nolan at KI5IO.com Mon Sep 5 09:27:40 2016 From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 06:27:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Audio Drops Message-ID: <1473082060705-7622169.post@n2.nabble.com> K3 s/n: 9013 MCU: 5.50 DSP: 2.87 FPF: 1.25 KIO3B upgrade installed: 06/09/16 Filters in slots 2-4: 6K, 2.8K, 400, 200 No Subreceiver. I use the Log4OM application and since the installation of the KIO3B the audio level drops very low when the Log4OM application is shut down. This happens about 75% of the time when operating. I do not recall this happening before I updated the module earlier this summer. I've used both the USB and the Serial links in testing and I get the same response no matter which communications path I use. All updates are current in Log4OM and I've updated and tested the OmniRig interface that is preferred to use within Log4OM. I've worked with Log4OM support and have not yet been able to narrow to a solid reason ... yet. When the audio drops I can immediately restore the prior level by barely touching/moving either the Shift or Width knobs. Operating the XFIL key also brings the audio back up. Appears some command is telling the filter to reduce width to 0. I've done trace and capture of signals between my laptop and the K3 when Log4OM is operating, but there does not appear to be any solid clue with that captured data either. I used USBPCAP and Wireshark to capture/view the USB traffic data. FWIW, I just sent a support request to K3 Elecraft yesterday so should hear back once they have a chance to digest the data I sent to them. Thought I would post here just in case someone else may have some off hand suggestions. 73 - Nolan Kienitz, KI5IO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Audio-Drops-tp7622169.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Sep 5 10:10:35 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 07:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> Message-ID: "Hi-End Operators": Well perhaps in their view! Phil W7OX On 9/4/16 9:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622157h48 at n2.nabble.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI From btippett at alum.mit.edu Mon Sep 5 10:45:44 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 07:45:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <004e01d206b3$542f8a00$fc8e9e00$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <004e01d206b3$542f8a00$fc8e9e00$@net> Message-ID: <1473086744420-7622171.post@n2.nabble.com> Peter W2IRT wrote > My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A, > the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface. > Find > the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything > from > about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the > birdies/mirror > images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I > would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer > turned > out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this > spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down, > rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup > was > insane. I don't know about the K3S but I've been doing this with the K3 for many years. I even wrote a macro for fast setup which I published 5 years ago: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html It sounds to me like there could be a problem with the K3S's I-Q output causing your birdies. FWIW I never had any birdie issues using my K3, LP-PAN and Audiophile 2496 soundcard. I still prefer Skimmer's panadapter because clicking the last "599" decoder dot will QSY your TX to the exact frequency (within 10 Hz) once the system is calibrated...no need position a cursor any closer than the decoder dot. 73 & GL! Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622171.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Sep 5 11:34:18 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:34:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> Message-ID: <8c54b54f-4be7-299e-b34c-f59186e43295@triconet.org> Exactly! 9/5/2016 7:10 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > "Hi-End Operators": Well perhaps in their view! > > Phil W7OX From alsopb at comcast.net Mon Sep 5 11:37:52 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 15:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <1473086744420-7622171.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <004e01d206b3$542f8a00$fc8e9e00$@net> <1473086744420-7622171.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57CD9150.70205@comcast.net> Not had any problem either. The massive pileups this Spring presented no display problems. This good experience goes back for at least 5 years with several computer systems and a couple sound cards. Wonder if the birdies/spurious signal problems are due to not doing the I/Q equalization or some kind of bad solder joint either. If you did it, do the results look reasonable? (Equalization here is done with a a signal generator with pure output) The other possibility is that the sound card is being over driven. The only problem I've encountered is when the DX comes back to a station and SKIMMER then spots it on the DX stations frequency. Watch out for that! 73 de Brian/K3KO On 9/5/2016 14:45 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > Peter W2IRT wrote >> My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A, >> the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface. >> Find >> the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything >> from >> about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the >> birdies/mirror >> images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I >> would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer >> turned >> out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this >> spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down, >> rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup >> was >> insane. > > I don't know about the K3S but I've been doing this with the K3 for many > years. I even wrote a macro for fast setup which I published 5 years ago: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html > > It sounds to me like there could be a problem with the K3S's I-Q output > causing your birdies. FWIW I never had any birdie issues using my K3, > LP-PAN and Audiophile 2496 soundcard. I still prefer Skimmer's panadapter > because clicking the last "599" decoder dot will QSY your TX to the exact > frequency (within 10 Hz) once the system is calibrated...no need position a > cursor any closer than the decoder dot. > > 73 & GL! > > Bill W4ZV > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622171.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From kstover at ac0h.net Mon Sep 5 11:44:02 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:44:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> Message-ID: <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> Nice commercial. You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. Which part of that isn't resonating? All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622157h48 at n2.nabble.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . > > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:47:57 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 09:47:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Someone please define "high end operator". Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the hobby .... (;-) 73 K0PP From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Sep 5 11:59:26 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:59:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <070f8f56-761b-011e-16d6-eedad4305adb@nycap.rr.com> Same types that when asked an honest question, will answer by stating RTFM! Bill W2BLC K-Line enjoyment operator!!! From pincon at erols.com Mon Sep 5 12:18:39 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:18:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007a01d20791$2d6e2050$884a60f0$@erols.com> I think it means the "high-end" of the band, such as the upper channels, 38, 39 & 40. Chas -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:48 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Someone please define "high end operator". Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the hobby .... (;-) 73 K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From lmarion at mt.net Mon Sep 5 12:52:45 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:52:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD macro help Message-ID: <008201d20795$edfabdc0$c9f03940$@mt.net> I am doing something wrong when it comes to PRESS or HOLD macros. Does anyone have a macro that PRESS tunes at one power, and HOLD tunes at higher power? I can make one button do one or the other, but when I combine to one button it only one will work. Any way to make the volume increase or decrease with a macro? Thanks Leroy AB7CE From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 13:10:05 2016 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" References: <892085530.424130.1473095405947.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <892085530.424130.1473095405947@mail.yahoo.com> Chas, You are pretty close; ?since amateurs don't use "channels", ?high end operators are normally General Class (and ?Extra Class) ?who operate at the high end of the HF amateur bands (for example, on 20M SSB, ?14,300 and up). Another possible definition might be an individual who uses Elecraft equipment (as compared to a Heathkit HW 101). Dick. K8ZTT Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 9:18, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: I think it means the "high-end" of the band, such as the upper channels, 38, 39 & 40. Chas -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:48 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Someone please define "high end operator". Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the hobby .... (;-) 73 K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From w7aqk at cox.net Mon Sep 5 13:28:57 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:28:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 Message-ID: I've had two K2's. The first one was one of the "original 100" K2's which were field test units. After several years I sold that to a ham locally who wanted a good QRP rig, but in the meantime I had picked up my 2nd K2, so I've been K2 equipped since the beginning. For years the K2 was my "go to" field radio. For a good while it was my main station radio. Both of mine were QRP versions, so it wasn't until I got a K3 that I had a 100 watt Elecraft radio. I greatly value the experience I had building my K2, and even today, the K2 is a darned good radio! No, it doesn't have some of the bells and whistles you may want, but it is most definitely a very competent radio! I thought I might sell my K2 when the KX3 came out, but it didn't happen. The K2 is just too good, and makes a perfect backup radio. Besides, it is still great fun to pull it down and just use it for awhile. I always put the K2 at the head of my list when I talk to someone looking for " a real ham radio experience"! You get a superb building opportunity, and you end up with a radio that will do just about anything you want. It is not a compromise. Just another example of Wayne's design expertise! Dave W7AQK From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 13:34:04 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:34:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I had to choose between my K2 (#5665) and my KX3, I'd take the K2 in a heartbeat. (:-)) 73 K0PP From jim.w4atk at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 13:41:32 2016 From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 Message-ID: <5a0edcf0-fbf5-cd15-e98c-aebaa7fd0e82@gmail.com> I bought my first K2 in 2005, I believe it was, anyway shortly after getting back on the air in 2004. I sold it to someone going on a DXpedition and missed it so bad, I saw a really pristine one with an early serial number on the web, so I bought it. Had fun straightening out the SSB module (I am sure that is why it was sold), and bringing it up to date with all the mods. It is still on the standby shelf just above the K-Line and it will be here as long as I can stay on the radio. The K2 receiver in my opinion was and still is one of the best. Jim W4ATK From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 5 13:48:08 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD macro help In-Reply-To: <008201d20795$edfabdc0$c9f03940$@mt.net> References: <008201d20795$edfabdc0$c9f03940$@mt.net> Message-ID: Leroy, Check to see which Macro is being issued. If it is always Macros 1 through 8, then check your operation. Are you "PRESSing" too long? Normally the term used is TAP. If your "PRESS" exceeds 1/2 second, that will not activate macros 9 thru 16. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/5/2016 12:52 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: > I am doing something wrong when it comes to PRESS or HOLD macros. > > > > Does anyone have a macro that PRESS tunes at one power, and HOLD tunes at > higher power? > > I can make one button do one or the other, but when I combine to one button > it only one will work. > > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Mon Sep 5 14:07:23 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e95ddfe-e78b-a7a5-748e-8cd030e4422e@cis-broadband.com> Well, I'd start by defining it as someone who follows the rules ... such as not repeatedly posting off topic stuff when they know full well it is against the rules they agreed to. On 9/5/2016 8:47 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Someone please define "high end operator". > > Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the > hobby .... (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 14:12:42 2016 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:12:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Built a K2, built a KX3. Sold KX3 kept K2 :) 73 F5VJC On 5 September 2016 at 19:34, Ken G Kopp wrote: > If I had to choose between my K2 (#5665) and my KX3, I'd take the K2 in a > heartbeat. (:-)) > > 73 > > K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Sep 5 14:13:52 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:13:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD macro help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2b083a49-1692-9bed-4e75-401943a56498@nycap.rr.com> You can build macros to set the audio gain (volume control for you "high end ops") where you want it. For example: AG000; (mute) AG033; (medium gain) Actual gain numbers selected will vary from one station to another - depending upon hearing acuity, speakers, station audio system, etc. 000 is the least gain and it goes up from there. Bill W2BLC K-Line From jkhooper at rockisland.com Mon Sep 5 14:17:50 2016 From: jkhooper at rockisland.com (J.K. Hooper) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:17:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A Message-ID: <4BBD4467-67F8-4399-B506-DD84E381E2D6@rockisland.com> Folks, I?m just seeing, today, that there are ?birdies? for lack of a better term that appear on my P3 and which track my VFO and which are up 50 to 65 Khz up from where VFO A is located. This wasn?t happening yesterday. There are four lines about 5 Khz apart. What factors might be at work that result in this phenomenon? The second question would be, what to do to remove them? 73, Hoop K9QJS Photo of my P3 on Dropbox here, after I had just turned VFO A: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8335905/IMG_4560.jpg From holgerschurig at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 14:18:51 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:18:51 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 stopped answering to serial commands Message-ID: Hi, I have a KX3 with Firmware 02.33. When I put the orginal Elecraft USB->ACC1 Plug into the device, then programs like kx3util, fldigi, rigctl (from hamlib) and even a terminal won't work. Actually, this is not totally true. When I turn AUTO INF to "riG Ctrl" in the menu, then I see various frequency change settings. So I know that the KX3 can send and my computer can receive. And that the baudrate is correct. Also, when I enter "ID;" in a terminal program, I will get the echo "ID;", but not the response "IDnnn;". When I remove the plug from AC1, I won't get the echo. So I think the "ID;" is really sent from the KX3, so somehow the KX3 can still receive and echo. It just doesn't honor any commands. Any idea on how I could fix that? Or what I might do wrong? Holger, DH3HS From dxm0vky at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 14:29:23 2016 From: dxm0vky at yahoo.com (simon m0vky) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:29:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] high back ground noise Message-ID: <49114134-a182-3d4d-3014-4d9d4bcc8642@yahoo.com> evening i updated my k3S yesterday afternoon, to MCU 5.50, FPF 1.25, DSP1 2.87. now, i have a high white noise (back ground) on my audio on SSB or when i press the PTT. this wasnt present before i installed the new firm ware. the only change is, i have my k3S on RTTY. i turned of the audio via USB from the pc and this helped reduce, but not completely. any ideas ? -- 73 de simon M0VKY / M7O 07810183369 www.ms0oxe.net www.ukeicc.com From jkhooper at rockisland.com Mon Sep 5 14:35:28 2016 From: jkhooper at rockisland.com (JK Hooper) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:35:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A In-Reply-To: <90B67C13DC804F4687843D82F4E81C10@OfficeDeskTop> References: <4BBD4467-67F8-4399-B506-DD84E381E2D6@rockisland.com> <90B67C13DC804F4687843D82F4E81C10@OfficeDeskTop> Message-ID: <6B26DCC0-4004-49C2-A34D-707FBF3DFCFF@rockisland.com> George, Thanks, And my problem is different and I have solved it. I am feeling silly? My antenna switch was not on an antenna. Sorry for the bandwidth. Hoop On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Gmail - George wrote: Hoop, I had a similar problem several years ago. It was a bad BNC cable on the K3 to P3 IF cable. One of the ground connections was poor at the connector. Try "Wiggling" the cable to see if it changes or goes away or even gets worse. 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: J.K. Hooper Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:17 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A Folks, I?m just seeing, today, that there are ?birdies? for lack of a better term that appear on my P3 and which track my VFO and which are up 50 to 65 Khz up from where VFO A is located. This wasn?t happening yesterday. There are four lines about 5 Khz apart. What factors might be at work that result in this phenomenon? The second question would be, what to do to remove them? 73, Hoop K9QJS Photo of my P3 on Dropbox here, after I had just turned VFO A: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8335905/IMG_4560.jpg ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gdanner12 at gmail.com From SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com Mon Sep 5 14:38:17 2016 From: SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com (SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:38:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 & HiCur message on 160 - 15, 12 & 10 OK. Message-ID: <7C2B6A6C-257C-48BE-8938-62B5273A3C49@nc.rr.com> I have a K2 that just returned from a full going over, config, and realign. I am getting the HiCur warning real quick when I key it up. 40 through 15 meters will produce the message when the power setting is adjusted to 6.7 or higher. On 160 and 80 the error kicks in at 5.3. Lower power than that will not produce the message in same bands. Bands 12 & 10 meters do not produce the error. I pressed display button until voltage showed. Pressed tune, voltage dropped from 13.00 to 12.4. Repeated same test, has same results. The power cable is the same on that came from Elecraft. I checked Cal Curr in menu. It was set to 4.0. I turned up to 4.5 and tried CW (letter E) again, resulting in same message "HiCur" at same places. Turned Cal Curr setting to 3.5, and tried again. Same results at same place. Radio is the 15 watt model that was built in upper 3000 serial numbers. It has all the updates and latest firmware installed. Also has the following options installed: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2, & KBT2. Power Supply is 30 amp Astron. Weighs about 35 or 40 pounds (it seems), and nothing else is connected to the PS except K2. The antenna is an UltiMax end fed, 33' vertical wire. Everything else seems to work flawlessly. What else should I check to clear this HiCur error? Thank You and 73, Steve From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 5 14:45:02 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:45:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A In-Reply-To: <4BBD4467-67F8-4399-B506-DD84E381E2D6@rockisland.com> References: <4BBD4467-67F8-4399-B506-DD84E381E2D6@rockisland.com> Message-ID: <1ae60023-5872-20b0-5bb9-379f1cee6ff2@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,9/5/2016 11:17 AM, J.K. Hooper wrote: > What factors might be at work that result in this phenomenon? Hoop, I've encountered this as well. There are two problems (at least). The strong, intermittent birdies are probably caused by a flaky shield connection in the coax cable between the P3 and the radio. Wiggle that cable at both connectors (and make sure that the connectors are tight) and they should go away. If they don't, replace the cable. There are weaker birdies that show up on a quiet band -- I see them a LOT on 6M, and they are a PITA when you're trying to use the P3 to look for weak CW signals when the band is trying to open for double-hop E-skip. Band noise will cover them if you have a high noise level. They move in the opposite direction of the VFO, and they move much faster than the VFO. I suspect they are the result of circuit layout issues within the radio. 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Sep 5 15:09:07 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 11:09:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID: <201609051909.u85J98TN013886@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Maybe the operative word is "High"... on what? <> I figure I am on the high end when operating on 10,368.100 MHz All above said in good humor 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From lists at w2irt.net Mon Sep 5 15:12:24 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:12:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <004501d207a9$603acf20$20b06d60$@net> I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the physical interface as much as some ops do. My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Nice commercial. You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. Which part of that isn't resonating? All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . > > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h tml > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622174.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Sep 5 15:17:19 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:17:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe 'astronaut'? Dick, n0ce On 9/5/2016 10:47 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Someone please define "high end operator". > > Sounds like some form of snobbism worming it's way into the slang of the > hobby .... (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com -- From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 5 15:21:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:21:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 & HiCur message on 160 - 15, 12 & 10 OK. In-Reply-To: <7C2B6A6C-257C-48BE-8938-62B5273A3C49@nc.rr.com> References: <7C2B6A6C-257C-48BE-8938-62B5273A3C49@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve, Do you have the antenna connected to the ANT1 or ANT2 jack on the back or the top cover? If you have the antenna connected to the BNC ANT jack on the lower rear panel, what you are seeing is typical. If you have the antenna connected properly, then connect an external wattmeter between the KAT2 and a dummy load. Set the power to 5 watts and the ATU menu parameter to CALP, then do a TUNE and observe the power both on the K2 display and the external wattmeter. If the external wattmeter shows a high power (12 watts or more) while the K2 display shows only a low power (below 2 watts), then the wattmeter in the KAT2 is not working properly, and damaged diodes is the most likely cause. Being a QRP K2, there is a possibility that transformer T4 was wound for "best efficiency at 5 watts", so check that transformer for 3 turns of white wire - if it has only 2 turns, that behavior is 'normal' because above 5 watts the PA efficiency becomes worse. Note that winding ratio should never be used for SSB at any power level, so with the KSB2 installed the T4 winding should always be 2:3:1:1. Increasing your power supply voltage to the point where the K2 display shows 13.8 volts or even up to 14.5 volts will help too. Cal Cur should be set to 3.5 Amps normally - but not higher. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/5/2016 2:38 PM, SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com wrote: > I have a K2 that just returned from a full going over, config, and realign. > > I am getting the HiCur warning real quick when I key it up. 40 through 15 meters will produce the message when the power setting is adjusted to 6.7 or higher. On 160 and 80 the error kicks in at 5.3. Lower power than that will not produce the message in same bands. Bands 12 & 10 meters do not produce the error. > > I pressed display button until voltage showed. Pressed tune, voltage dropped from 13.00 to 12.4. Repeated same test, has same results. The power cable is the same on that came from Elecraft. I checked Cal Curr in menu. It was set to 4.0. I turned up to 4.5 and tried CW (letter E) again, resulting in same message "HiCur" at same places. Turned Cal Curr setting to 3.5, and tried again. Same results at same place. > > Radio is the 15 watt model that was built in upper 3000 serial numbers. It has all the updates and latest firmware installed. Also has the following options installed: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2, & KBT2. > > Power Supply is 30 amp Astron. Weighs about 35 or 40 pounds (it seems), and nothing else is connected to the PS except K2. > > The antenna is an UltiMax end fed, 33' vertical wire. > > Everything else seems to work flawlessly. > > What else should I check to clear this HiCur error? > > Thank You and 73, Steve > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Sep 5 15:23:38 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:23:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A + KX3 PX3 In-Reply-To: <1ae60023-5872-20b0-5bb9-379f1cee6ff2@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: When I find an unusual level of birdies on either panadapter, I first look for antenna problems. I learned this in the school of hard knocks. 73 Bill AE6JV --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"We used to quip that "password" is the most common 408-356-8506 | password. Now it's 'password1.' Who said users haven't www.pwpconsult.com | learned anything about security?" -- Bruce Schneier From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Sep 5 15:23:39 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:23:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> Message-ID: OK. Building an AI that would either complete a DX contact or compete in a contest would be a neat hack, and probably achievable. But, would running it be any fun? Could you be proud of the certificates hanging on your wall that you gathered using this kind of AI? 73 Bill AE6JV --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Sep 5 15:36:16 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (jermo) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 15:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Message-ID: The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c.? Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Peter W2IRT Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the physical interface as much as some ops do. My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Nice commercial. You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. Which part of that isn't resonating? All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > >?? > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > >?? > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > >??? _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . >?? > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h tml > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ? _____? If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622174.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From phystad at mac.com Mon Sep 5 15:43:52 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:43:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" In-Reply-To: <201609051909.u85J98TN013886@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201609051909.u85J98TN013886@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <60B481F4-B71C-436F-A03A-D253E5E97F17@mac.com> Obviously ?High End Operator? refers to the equipment the operator uses. That is, only High-end equipment such as the Elecraft K-line. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > Maybe the operative word is "High"... on what? <> > > I figure I am on the high end when operating on 10,368.100 MHz > > All above said in good humor > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From k6mr at outlook.com Mon Sep 5 15:44:10 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:44:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Message-ID: ?There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.? There is: Assisted vs. non-Assisted. And then there are Sprints. Real ?Boy and His Radio?* contesting. *copyright K0HB Ken K6MR From: jermo Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:37 To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Peter W2IRT Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the physical interface as much as some ops do. My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Nice commercial. You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. Which part of that isn't resonating? All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > >?? > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > >?? > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > >??? _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . >?? > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h tml > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622174.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 15:46:13 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 & HiCur message on 160 - 15, 12 & 10 OK. In-Reply-To: <7C2B6A6C-257C-48BE-8938-62B5273A3C49@nc.rr.com> References: <7C2B6A6C-257C-48BE-8938-62B5273A3C49@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: If the voltage drops from 13 to 12.4 with only a 3 amp draw on a 30 ampere Astron, you likely have a severe power problem somewhere. Measure the voltage on the Astron output terminals when you key the K2. If the drop is present at the Astron, then you have a severe Astron problem. If not then you most likely have a severe problem with power cord, power connector, etc. Gone bad, not fully inserted, whatever. Always rule out mechanical stuff before tearing apart the radio or shipping it back to Big E. Wires and connectors are mechanical things that wear out. Do not ever trust wires and connectors. Expect them to go bad. They will. I have seen a male "F" connector for RG-6 stuff that did NOT have the threads grooved. Owner came within half a phone call and three cuss words of sending a RX switch box back to manufacturer accusing them of using non-standard female F connector jacks on the box's back plane. Never, ever trust wires and connectors. They are necessary, but they are also your covert enemy. They have atomic level situational detectors and know when you are in a contest, or taking your only shot at a new country you have been chasing for a quarter century, or otherwise emotionally vulnerable, and thus gleefully fail at times of maximum impact. My low power K2 drops the 30 amp Astron from 14.4 to 14.3 when I key it at 10 watts. I have changed the internal settings to obtain 14.4 volts out. Better supply voltage for just about every "12 volt" gizmo in the shack. But that's totally different subject. 73, and good luck, Guy K2AV On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 2:38 PM, SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com wrote: > I have a K2 that just returned from a full going over, config, and realign. > > I am getting the HiCur warning real quick when I key it up. 40 through 15 > meters will produce the message when the power setting is adjusted to 6.7 > or higher. On 160 and 80 the error kicks in at 5.3. Lower power than that > will not produce the message in same bands. Bands 12 & 10 meters do not > produce the error. > > I pressed display button until voltage showed. Pressed tune, voltage > dropped from 13.00 to 12.4. Repeated same test, has same results. The > power cable is the same on that came from Elecraft. I checked Cal Curr in > menu. It was set to 4.0. I turned up to 4.5 and tried CW (letter E) > again, resulting in same message "HiCur" at same places. Turned Cal Curr > setting to 3.5, and tried again. Same results at same place. > > Radio is the 15 watt model that was built in upper 3000 serial numbers. > It has all the updates and latest firmware installed. Also has the > following options installed: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2, & KBT2. > > Power Supply is 30 amp Astron. Weighs about 35 or 40 pounds (it seems), > and nothing else is connected to the PS except K2. > > The antenna is an UltiMax end fed, 33' vertical wire. > > Everything else seems to work flawlessly. > > What else should I check to clear this HiCur error? > > Thank You and 73, Steve > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From ar at dseven.org Mon Sep 5 15:57:08 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:57:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 stopped answering to serial commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Holger Schurig wrote: > I have a KX3 with Firmware 02.33. When I put the orginal Elecraft USB->ACC1 > Plug into the device, then programs like kx3util, fldigi, rigctl (from > hamlib) and even a terminal won't work. > > Actually, this is not totally true. When I turn AUTO INF to "riG Ctrl" in > the menu, then I see various frequency change settings. So I know that the > KX3 can send and my computer can receive. And that the baudrate is correct. > > Also, when I enter "ID;" in a terminal program, I will get the echo "ID;", > but not the response "IDnnn;". When I remove the plug from AC1, I won't get > the echo. So I think the "ID;" is really sent from the KX3, so somehow the > KX3 can still receive and echo. It just doesn't honor any commands. It almost sounds like the TX and RX lines might be shorted together?? But if this only happens when the cable is connect to the KX3, perhaps the short is inside. When you type "ID;", does it echo back one character at a time, or the whole thing at once? If you send something arbitrary/random, does that get echoed back too? 73, ~iain / N6ML From w2lj at verizon.net Mon Sep 5 16:06:14 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 16:06:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2016 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Scoreboard has been posted! Message-ID: Congratulations to the Top Five Scorers for 2016 1st Place Overall - KX0R 2nd Place Overall - N3AQC 3rd Place Overall - AB9CA 4th Place Overall - NN9K 5th Place Overall - N0SS To see the entire scoreboard - please visit https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hj8WSuMHy-0L634_O9oJZp65j_4-rvbREzK_sqZw8mo/edit#gid=629087411 Thank you to all who particpated - thank you to all who sent in Log Summaries and Soapbox comments - thiose should be published in a week or two. Special thanks to the NJQRP Amateurr Radio Club for sponsoring this event. See you all again in 2017! 73 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager - Skeeter # 13 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Sep 5 16:15:09 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:15:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <004501d207a9$603acf20$20b06d60$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> <004501d207a9$603acf20$20b06d60$@net> Message-ID: <35d17d27-fe0c-0701-d9dd-0835ac12ce31@triconet.org> Two separate categories. I am one but not the other. On 9/5/2016 12:12 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR > and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Sep 5 16:27:10 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" In-Reply-To: <60B481F4-B71C-436F-A03A-D253E5E97F17@mac.com> References: <201609051909.u85J98TN013886@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> <60B481F4-B71C-436F-A03A-D253E5E97F17@mac.com> Message-ID: Apparently the Elecraft K-line need not apply. Here was the original message using the term: "Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about $6,000 on an outdated design? ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT" From a FLEX user, I believe. Phil W7OX On 9/5/16 12:43 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Obviously ?High End Operator? refers to the equipment the operator uses. That is, > only High-end equipment such as the Elecraft K-line. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > >> On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> >> Maybe the operative word is "High"... on what? <> >> >> I figure I am on the high end when operating on 10,368.100 MHz >> >> All above said in good humor >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> http://www.kl7uw.com >> "Kits made by KL7UW" >> Dubus Mag business: >> dubususa at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From lists at w2irt.net Mon Sep 5 16:36:02 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:36:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> From: jermo [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill. Just my 2c. [pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of itself? Frankly it?s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your ?thinking? workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that?s an equally important skill. As I discuss ?high end? I?m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the wall necessarily (although they?re a reasonable measure IMHO). It?s the difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station?s limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you?re pretty high end. Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don?t think anybody here would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF, operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it?s not as sophisticated as other technologies, as I?m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I?m envious of those whose equipment lends itself to that function. And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that?s focused on technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn?t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I?m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Peter W2IRT Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the physical interface as much as some ops do. My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Nice commercial. You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. Which part of that isn't resonating? All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . > > > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h tml > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622174.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M g==> . iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 16:36:48 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:36:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? Message-ID: Sigh... "High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. The term came about after the 1977 CB expansion from 23 channels to 40. The first 23 channels allotted, except for channel 23, came from the 1958 conversion of the 11 meter ham band to CB use. Until 1977 all the CB equipment stopped with channel 23. "High End Users" became a pejorative for a while after FCC opened channels 24-40 when users would call and make contact on channel 19, and then transfer to channel 24 and above, deliberately showing up owners of older equipment who could not follow or listen. That gradually went away as the newer 40 channel CB sets became common. Many retained their older 23 channel sets and left them permanently on channel 19 to listen for emergency road calls, while using the 40 channel sets for everything else. I don't know why anyone would want to use (or reuse) that term, "high end users". Repurposed bullsh*t is still bullsh*t and still stinks the same. Back in the 70's before modern cell phones, I knew a lot of hams who put CB sets in their wive's cars, so they would not get stranded without communication. My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11 meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10 meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it. 73, Guy K2AV From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 16:43:08 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 06:43:08 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57cdd8dd.0757420a.8b6ce.02e0@mx.google.com> Jermo, Agreed. I don't want my hobby to rely on a PC or laptop. Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but it's my Jurassic world and I prefer to use my K-Line as a hands on operator and would not use a term such as high end, mediocre or low end etc, I enjoy the challenge of chasing expeditions and to me, using skimmer and similar programs means technology is doing what I prefer to do myself. This gives ME a buzz and I feel I have achieved something. I compete against myself, I don't get upset when it takes a while to get heard. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "jermo" Sent: ?6/?09/?2016 5:37 AM To: "Peter W2IRT" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c.? Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Peter W2IRT Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the physical interface as much as some ops do. My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Nice commercial. You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. Which part of that isn't resonating? All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > >?? > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > >?? > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > >??? _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . >?? > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h tml > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ? _____? If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622174.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From lists at w2irt.net Mon Sep 5 16:46:11 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:46:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <006101d207b6$7ec4e180$7c4ea480$@net> From: Bill Frantz [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622198h19 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:27 PM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S OK. Building an AI that would either complete a DX contact or compete in a contest would be a neat hack, and probably achievable. But, would running it be any fun? [pjd] Depends on your definition of fun. I'd love to try it, personally. Could you be proud of the certificates hanging on your wall that you gathered using this kind of AI? [pjd] I can't speak for you or anybody else, but if I assembled and maintained such a station, absolutely. The question I ask whenever a discussion of this nature crops up: where do you stop the technology clock? Y2K? 1975? 1958? WW2? Marconi-era? If we're to advance the radio art and the available pool of qualified technical people what better way than to push the tech boundaries and compete against one another to test its reliability and our skills? No, it's not the same as sitting with a paddle and a paper log and a dupe sheet but is that latter skill advancing the radio art? Fun as hell, you betcha, but is it advancing the art? Insofar as I'm personally concerned, I want a radio that has the best receiver and filtering money can buy, the ability to receive on multiple bands simultaneously, see a graphic representation of not just every signal on the band but their calls as well, full integration to my logging software and rotator, the ability to easily send any mode natively (CW, SSB+voice keying, RTTY, JT-65/JT-9 and anything else for that matter) and a way to one-click tune, call and log. To be able to do this with only a couple of cables and not a rat's nest of wiring is a huge bonus, as is SO2R in one box. - pjd --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622198.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622210.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 16:49:15 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 06:49:15 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> References: <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> Message-ID: <57cdda4b.cac5420a.44f18.e59b@mx.google.com> Peter, I do see your point. Whilst not my style of operating, I do understand what your trying to achieve. Makes a great hobby when each of us can have such a varied range of interests, yet we all end up the same place....communicating Gotta love this hobby Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Peter W2IRT" Sent: ?6/?09/?2016 6:37 AM To: "'jermo'" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S From: jermo [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill. Just my 2c. [pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of itself? Frankly it?s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your ?thinking? workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that?s an equally important skill. As I discuss ?high end? I?m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the wall necessarily (although they?re a reasonable measure IMHO). It?s the difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station?s limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you?re pretty high end. Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don?t think anybody here would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF, operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it?s not as sophisticated as other technologies, as I?m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I?m envious of those whose equipment lends itself to that function. And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that?s focused on technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn?t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I?m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Peter W2IRT Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the physical interface as much as some ops do. My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Nice commercial. You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. Which part of that isn't resonating? All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > $6,000 on an outdated design? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > 73 Mike > WB6DJI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . > > > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h tml > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622174.h tml To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M g==> . iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com Mon Sep 5 16:49:57 2016 From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:49:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] In Praise of the K2 In-Reply-To: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> References: <163AD30C4D6849CDA14D36F1541B77E3@DELLXPS> Message-ID: <1473108597587-7622211.post@n2.nabble.com> I received my K2 as a 50th birthday present 15 years ago. It came with the NB and SSB modules. What a surprise and what fun it was to build. I later did all the mods and added the audio filter, 160 meter module, KPA100, and KAT100. It is still the main radio here and gives me a thrill every time I turn it on. 73, George NC5G -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/In-Praise-of-the-K2-tp7622127p7622211.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 5 16:51:19 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:51:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <043bc8b3-e66b-3069-845d-ece7b187ed86@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,9/5/2016 1:36 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > "High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative > term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. That's a term I've never heard. Although I've been licensed since 1955, the only time I ever transmitted on 11M was around 1959-60 when it was still a ham band, and a fellow student at U of Cincy had built a pair of 11M handhelds (in tall skinny Al boxes, sort of like a "Bud box"). 73, Jim K9YC From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 17:07:13 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:07:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <004501d207a9$603acf20$20b06d60$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> <004501d207a9$603acf20$20b06d60$@net> Message-ID: <777CBEFF-553A-4B03-9688-ADFEBBE68732@gmail.com> Well, just because you bought a K3 doesn't mean you can't get rid of the K3 and buy whatever computer-peripheral-radio you want. Makes more sense than grumbling about the bad radio you think you're stuck with. I used to be a "high end" operator -- back when I had a Globe King 500b, a 75A4, and a pencil to handle logging ... ;) Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > > I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR > and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes > their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the > K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big > case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod > offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very > comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the > physical interface as much as some ops do. > > My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, > anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage > in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate > them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and > considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the > ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that > computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over > my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the > high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for > those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Nice commercial. > > You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. > Which part of that isn't resonating? > > All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end > operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. > > > On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > > >> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after > it >> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming >> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about >> $6,000 on an outdated design? >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> Regards, >> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT >> >> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint >> >> www.facebook.com/W2IRT >> >> >> >> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] >> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM >> To: Peter W2IRT >> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S >> >> >> >> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 >> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> >> &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI >> >> 73 Mike >> WB6DJI >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion >> below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h >> tml >> >> To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > >> g==> . > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > >> emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > NAML >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) >> 73, Peter W2IRT >> -- >> View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h > tml >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > _____ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622174.h > tml > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > g==> . > > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> NAML > > > > > > ----- > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > 73, Peter W2IRT > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622194.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From augie.hansen at comcast.net Mon Sep 5 17:09:29 2016 From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:09:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? In-Reply-To: <043bc8b3-e66b-3069-845d-ece7b187ed86@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <043bc8b3-e66b-3069-845d-ece7b187ed86@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5a60d3d3-8a9c-c700-bbd7-e9257aa30d83@comcast.net> Hi Jim, Your time on the 11m ham band had to be before September 1958, which is when the Class D CB allocation was authorized. Prior to that time CB was a UHF-only affair. 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH On 9/5/2016 2:51 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,9/5/2016 1:36 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> "High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative >> term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. > > That's a term I've never heard. Although I've been licensed since > 1955, the only time I ever transmitted on 11M was around 1959-60 when > it was still a ham band, and a fellow student at U of Cincy had built > a pair of 11M handhelds (in tall skinny Al boxes, sort of like a "Bud > box"). > > 73, Jim K9YC From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 5 17:22:30 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004f01d207bb$9ca34430$d5e9cc90$@biz> Back in the 1950's there were many "use or lose it" warnings from the ARRL about 11 meters. After Hams lost 11 meters to CB, rigs like that Johnson Ranger became worth their weight in gold to CBers who wanted the higher power (65 watts) since CB operations used AM back then. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 1:37 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11 meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10 meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it. 73, Guy K2AV From mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 17:04:31 2016 From: mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com (mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:04:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID: Message-ID: <1D776AE5-ECC8-4771-B0E2-696F6AD8E471@yahoo.com> I don't usually post here because its a pain to but I couldn't resist. I thought it was a typo and should be Hind end operator! And by the way, its the generals like my self that are relegated to the high end of the bands. 73 Mike R Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. From pincon at erols.com Mon Sep 5 18:28:01 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 18:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c701d207c4$c77c1cf0$567456d0$@erols.com> I always wondered why there even WAS an 11 M ham band. Surely the propagation characteristics were no different for 10 M as to warrant it's use. Plus, 10 is wide enough (1.7 MHz) for just about any mode. I was even more puzzled why it was given to the Citizen's band class since it is obviously affected each year by sporadic E skip. 'Skip" operation violated the original intent of CB, so why choose a band that's famous for it. They HAD a perfectly good "CB" band up above 400 MHz, which would eliminate almost any possibility of other than line-of-sight communications. I even have a couple Vocaline transceivers on that band. They worked, but if you look inside, you'd wonder how they could with so few parts. What's then MOST puzzling is the operation on CB channel 6, or 27.025 MHz. There are stations on there running in excess of 50 kW ! 10 kW, is considered "low" power. All for the express purpose of winning the "shoot-out" to see who's the loudest. Just remember, if you're being heard at 20 dB over S-9 when running a kilowatt, you'll still be S-5 at 100 milliwatts . 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 4:37 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? Sigh... "High End Operators" is an obsolete citizens band radio (CB) pejorative term I have not heard in a very long time, almost forty years. The term came about after the 1977 CB expansion from 23 channels to 40. The first 23 channels allotted, except for channel 23, came from the 1958 conversion of the 11 meter ham band to CB use. Until 1977 all the CB equipment stopped with channel 23. "High End Users" became a pejorative for a while after FCC opened channels 24-40 when users would call and make contact on channel 19, and then transfer to channel 24 and above, deliberately showing up owners of older equipment who could not follow or listen. That gradually went away as the newer 40 channel CB sets became common. Many retained their older 23 channel sets and left them permanently on channel 19 to listen for emergency road calls, while using the 40 channel sets for everything else. I don't know why anyone would want to use (or reuse) that term, "high end users". Repurposed bullsh*t is still bullsh*t and still stinks the same. Back in the 70's before modern cell phones, I knew a lot of hams who put CB sets in their wive's cars, so they would not get stranded without communication. My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11 meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10 meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it. 73, Guy K2AV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From mike at ve3yf.com Mon Sep 5 18:36:04 2016 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 22:36:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down? Message-ID: <94959098-8b09-4a39-9583-16e243e668d2@getmailbird.com> Hi: Today had nothing on my plate and wanted to do a firmware update to MCU 5.50. I am using the latest utility dated back in early summer and it can't find anything on the site. However if I go to the FTP site manually I see the files MCU 5.50 and DSP 2.87, but would rather the utility do the work. 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com [http://www.ve3yf.com/] From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 5 18:37:00 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:37:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <006101d207b6$7ec4e180$7c4ea480$@net> References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> <006101d207b6$7ec4e180$7c4ea480$@net> Message-ID: That's nice, and some contesters are finding the latest and greatest Flex radios a good choice. I think it's reasonable to note that Flex didn't really have a serious contester's radio until they had user-friendly software and the Maestro box. The latter started shipping this year. In my view, I'd say that the Flex 6700 didn't become a serious contesting platform until then. (Not counting beta software and hardware). Also, I'd bet that the Flex 6700 is not a viable option in a multi-transmitter station (or around broadcast transmitters, or with one or more close-in ham neighbors) without serious bandpass filters in front of it. Bandpass filters commonly used for SO2R and in multi-transmitter contesting stations can fulfill that function. BUT -- those filters are NOT going to be sufficient when the strong signals are in-band -- for example, 40M in EU and AS, and on 20M, where high power broadcast stations are just outside 20M, but still within the passband of most practical bandpass filters. Or in a big multi-multi with a run station and a multiplier station on the same band. If I'm not mistaken, the original K3 first shipped in 2008, and was updated to a K3S in 2015. K3 owners could get about 90% of that update by spending about $800 on user-replaceable boards (figuring two synthesizers for a K3 with a Sub-RX, the new preamp, and the new I/O board). If you weren't happy with the performance of your earlier Flex radio, it cost the full price of the new radio to upgrade. If the big Flex radio seems like a better choice, go for it! I'm pretty happy with the integration of my updated K3s with my computers and logging software (and I was happy before the update). The LAST thing I want is my rotators spinning every time I put a new call in the N1MM Plus entry window -- if he heard me well enough to call me, or if I hear him well enough to call him, I can usually work him with the rotator just where it is. I want that to be my decision, not the computer's! 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,9/5/2016 1:46 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Insofar as I'm personally concerned, I want a radio that has the best > receiver and filtering money can buy, the ability to receive on multiple > bands simultaneously, see a graphic representation of not just every signal > on the band but their calls as well, full integration to my logging software > and rotator, the ability to easily send any mode natively (CW, SSB+voice > keying, RTTY, JT-65/JT-9 and anything else for that matter) and a way to > one-click tune, call and log. To be able to do this with only a couple of > cables and not a rat's nest of wiring is a huge bonus, as is SO2R in one > box. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 5 18:38:09 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1D776AE5-ECC8-4771-B0E2-696F6AD8E471@yahoo.com> References: <1D776AE5-ECC8-4771-B0E2-696F6AD8E471@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01fe4d59-3382-c269-31a6-9b020134b494@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,9/5/2016 2:04 PM, mikerodgerske5gbc--- via Elecraft wrote: > And by the way, its the generals like my self that are relegated to the high end of the bands. Last I heard, there were no restrictions on who could study for and take the Extra Class exam. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 5 18:40:39 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:40:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? In-Reply-To: <5a60d3d3-8a9c-c700-bbd7-e9257aa30d83@comcast.net> References: <043bc8b3-e66b-3069-845d-ece7b187ed86@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5a60d3d3-8a9c-c700-bbd7-e9257aa30d83@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon,9/5/2016 2:09 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote: > Your time on the 11m ham band had to be before September 1958, which > is when the Class D CB allocation was authorized. Perhaps I was bootlegging -- I'm sure of the date because I started college in Sept 1959. :) 73, Jim From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 5 18:45:18 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 18:45:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down? In-Reply-To: <94959098-8b09-4a39-9583-16e243e668d2@getmailbird.com> References: <94959098-8b09-4a39-9583-16e243e668d2@getmailbird.com> Message-ID: Mike, I had no problem doing just that just before noon Eastern time today. Perhaps you should reload K3 Utility. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/5/2016 6:36 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote: > Hi: > > Today had nothing on my plate and wanted to do a firmware update to MCU 5.50. I am using the latest utility dated back in early summer and it can't find anything on the site. However if I go to the FTP site manually I see the files MCU 5.50 and DSP 2.87, but would rather the utility do the work. > > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 18:50:09 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01fe4d59-3382-c269-31a6-9b020134b494@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1D776AE5-ECC8-4771-B0E2-696F6AD8E471@yahoo.com> <01fe4d59-3382-c269-31a6-9b020134b494@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1166681690.1695115.1473115809992@mail.yahoo.com> OK, for us old farts, we operated mobile on 3995 KHz, the HIGH END, as we called it..hi. Mel, K6KBE From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID: On Mon,9/5/2016 2:04 PM, mikerodgerske5gbc--- via Elecraft wrote: > And by the way, its the generals like my self that are relegated to the high end of the bands. Last I heard, there were no restrictions on who could study for and take the Extra Class exam. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From mike at ve3yf.com Mon Sep 5 19:17:04 2016 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 23:17:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down? Message-ID: <78deaf52-091f-4ee2-8eb0-317099b6eef9@getmailbird.com> Thanks Don: I found the problem, for some reason in many of the Windows 10 updates/upgrades it had put my C:\ as a protected drive and would not allow files to be written to the Elecraft Folder where I hold all the files. Even my FTP program would not download to that directory, I had to create a new folder on my F:\drive and download to the new directory and then manually copy the files over and then do the update. I now have to see why that C:\ is protected. Aren't computers fun. Tnx Agn Don... 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com [http://www.ve3yf.com/] From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 5 19:41:21 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FTP Site Down? In-Reply-To: <78deaf52-091f-4ee2-8eb0-317099b6eef9@getmailbird.com> References: <78deaf52-091f-4ee2-8eb0-317099b6eef9@getmailbird.com> Message-ID: Mike, If you are not able to fix that 'protected drive' problem, it is a simple matter to point K3 Utility to the files on your "F" drive - just use the Browse button and navigate to the location of the files. That new location should be 'sticky'. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/5/2016 7:17 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote: > Thanks Don: > > I found the problem, for some reason in many of the Windows 10 updates/upgrades it had put my C:\ as a protected drive and would not allow files to be written to the Elecraft Folder where I hold all the files. Even my FTP program would not download to that directory, I had to create a new folder on my F:\drive and download to the new directory and then manually copy the files over and then do the update. I now have to see why that C:\ is protected. Aren't computers fun. Tnx Agn Don... > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Sep 5 19:59:09 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:59:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. "High end operator" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1166681690.1695115.1473115809992@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1D776AE5-ECC8-4771-B0E2-696F6AD8E471@yahoo.com> <01fe4d59-3382-c269-31a6-9b020134b494@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1166681690.1695115.1473115809992@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29dcb322-b90e-7b34-8ac0-fd1ed0acfe03@foothill.net> In the 50's [I was first licensed as KN6DGW in mid-1953] our local club congregated on 29.580 AM. I got a 40 meter rock for my TX as soon as I got my General and could get on 10. The number of young folk increased in the club, and finally one of the OT's measured all the OT's actual crystal freq against their TX freq, ground new rocks for each for 29.695, figuring none of us young studs could chance getting that close to the edge of the band. We decided that if they didn't want us, we could do without them. I think they might be the Ultimate High End Operators. They're all dead now. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 9/5/2016 3:50 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > OK, for us old farts, we operated mobile on 3995 KHz, the HIGH END, as we called it..hi. > Mel, K6KBE From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Sep 5 20:06:59 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:06:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> References: <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> Message-ID: <8F956976-A815-46E6-A481-5CA19C503CC1@carolinaheli.com> Ham is ham, tech is tech. Ham contests should be less about tech and more refined to true personal ham skills. Getting the highest contest score doesn't mean you won if you NEEDED tech to decode it all. There's a fine line that, once crossed, is against the spirit of the hobby in my opinion ( in contests). Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > > From: jermo [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM > To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S > > The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill. > Just my 2c. > > > [pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of itself? Frankly it?s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your ?thinking? workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that?s an equally important skill. > > As I discuss ?high end? I?m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the wall necessarily (although they?re a reasonable measure IMHO). It?s the difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station?s limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you?re pretty high end. > > Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don?t think anybody here would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF, operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it?s not as sophisticated as other technologies, as I?m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I?m envious of those whose equipment lends itself to that function. > > And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that?s focused on technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn?t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I?m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting. > > > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Peter W2IRT > Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S > > I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR > and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes > their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the > K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big > case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod > offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very > comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the > physical interface as much as some ops do. > > My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, > anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage > in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate > them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and > considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the > ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that > computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over > my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the > high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for > those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174h75 at n2.nabble.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Nice commercial. > > You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. > Which part of that isn't resonating? > > All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end > operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. > > > On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > > > > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after > it > > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > > $6,000 on an outdated design? > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Regards, > > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > > > > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > > [mailto:[hidden email]] > > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > > To: Peter W2IRT > > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > > > > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > > > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > > > 73 Mike > > WB6DJI > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > > below: > > > > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > > tml > > > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > > > > > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > > > g==> . > > > > > > > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > > > > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > > > > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > > > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > NAML > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > > 73, Peter W2IRT > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h > tml > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > > -- > R. 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Duplex was useless, of course, but interesting at the time. In 1959 someone developed and I installed a 6-meter conversion kit for the Ranger which ? if I again remember correctly ? occupied the spot on the band switch previously labeled for 11. In 1969 I got rid of the Ranger when my first son was born. Probably a coincidence. I don?t remember it being a swap. Ted, KN1CBR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 1:37 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11 meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10 meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it. 73, Guy K2AV From maxrcul at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 20:25:38 2016 From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy Message-ID: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? Bill W3PNM From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Sep 5 20:34:56 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:34:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remembering 11 Meters In-Reply-To: <7F0F6111-3021-4838-AEBE-C15F12147359@law.du.edu> References: <7F0F6111-3021-4838-AEBE-C15F12147359@law.du.edu> Message-ID: I recall that CQ magazine had a "Save 11" contest, which stirred up a bit more activity on the band, but it didn't save it. 73, Bob N7XY On 9/5/16 5:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I remember using my Viking Ranger on 11 in 1957 or 1958 or both , because ? if memory serves me well ? it was the only band that allowed duplex AM with some other band that I?ve now forgotten. Duplex was useless, of course, but interesting at the time. In 1959 someone developed and I installed a 6-meter conversion kit for the Ranger which ? if I again remember correctly ? occupied the spot on the band switch previously labeled for 11. In 1969 I got rid of the Ranger when my first son was born. Probably a coincidence. I don?t remember it being a swap. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy > Olinger K2AV > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 1:37 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] High End Operators? > > > My boat anchor Collins 75A3 receiver and Johnson Ranger transmitter have 11 > meters on them. Before 1958, 11 meters was shunned by hams in favor of 10 > meters. Little surprise the FCC repurposed it. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From john.powell at kinect.co.nz Mon Sep 5 20:35:52 2016 From: john.powell at kinect.co.nz (JOHN POWELL) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:35:52 +1200 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Message-ID: <9ef42ada675a49080233879cbd2c8d5a8f90eec3@webmail.kinect.co.nz> Hi Peter, The best option appears to be one that has been stated by you on several occasions to sell the Elecraft K3S and P3 and purchase the Flexradio 6700 and whatever. Problem solved. BTW a winning score in the Non-Assisted category of either the major Contest, viz., ARRL International, or the CQWW either mode, (CW/SSB), ?in my opinion highlights the ability of a Contester. Having a good setup also counts. 73 John Powell. ZL1BHQ From k9fd at flex.com Mon Sep 5 20:37:07 2016 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:37:07 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> <006101d207b6$7ec4e180$7c4ea480$@net> Message-ID: <57CE0FB3.3030600@flex.com> First off I am no Flex Fan, and am a happy camper with a couple K3 radios, K9CT contest station has swapped all their K3 for Flex 6700 and ran a couple contests recently high power multi multi. You can find some place on the web or on the Midwest Society of contesters blog about the operators comments and how the Flex worked out. They seem to be happy campers, so a lot of the Flex problems with strong signals must have been worked out. Have seen several pictures of the setup and operators using the Flex. Not sure where high end op came from, but do know what high dollar op means when you see these large contest set ups. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > > > Also, I'd bet that the Flex 6700 is not a viable option in a > multi-transmitter station (or around broadcast transmitters, or with > one or more close-in ham neighbors) without serious bandpass filters > in front of it. Bandpass filters commonly used for SO2R and in > multi-transmitter contesting stations can fulfill that function. BUT > -- those filters are NOT going to be sufficient when the strong > signals are in-band -- for example, 40M in EU and AS, and on 20M, > where high power broadcast stations are just outside 20M, but still > within the passband of most practical bandpass filters. Or in a big > multi-multi with a run station and a multiplier station on the same band. > > > 73, Jim K9YC > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 5 20:55:44 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:55:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e700917-d1a1-fac3-424d-2432f79c9475@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,9/5/2016 5:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote: > Is building worth the $200 in savings? Absolutely! $200 will get you about 40 double expressos at Starbucks! :) But seriously, the building experience is simple, takes a bit more than a day, and you know how to take it apart to add options, trade boards, etc. It's basically a screw-together kit, with the trickiest parts being squeezing in the Sub-RX and fitting the front panel board into the main board. Unless you happen to be physically challenged (really bad eyesight or motor skills), by all means build it. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 5 20:58:22 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:58:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <9ef42ada675a49080233879cbd2c8d5a8f90eec3@webmail.kinect.co.nz> References: <9ef42ada675a49080233879cbd2c8d5a8f90eec3@webmail.kinect.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon,9/5/2016 5:35 PM, JOHN POWELL wrote: > BTW a winning score in the Non-Assisted category of either the major > Contest, viz., ARRL International, or the CQWW either mode, (CW/SSB), > in my opinion highlights the ability of a Contester. Having a good > setup also counts. I disagree -- location matters FAR, FAR more than ability or setup in ARRL and CQ DX contests. Location is far less important in some other big contests, like WPX. 73, Jim K9YC From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Sep 5 21:08:41 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 18:08:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <6e700917-d1a1-fac3-424d-2432f79c9475@audiosystemsgroup.com > References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <6e700917-d1a1-fac3-424d-2432f79c9475@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Well.... it took me a few hours to do... quite simple and well worth the savings actually... Ken At 05:55 PM 9/5/2016, Jim Brown wrote: >On Mon,9/5/2016 5:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote: >> Is building worth the $200 in savings? > >Absolutely! $200 will get you about 40 double expressos at Starbucks! :) > >But seriously, the building experience is simple, takes a bit more >than a day, and you know how to take it apart to add options, trade >boards, etc. It's basically a screw-together kit, with the trickiest >parts being squeezing in the Sub-RX and fitting the front panel >board into the main board. Unless you happen to be physically >challenged (really bad eyesight or motor skills), by all means build it. > >73, Jim K9YC > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 5 21:12:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:12:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bill, First assess your capabilities - are you capable of operating a screwdriver (get a new one) and following written instructions properly? If the answer is 'yes', then you are capable of building a kit. The major "pro" of building a kit are that you will become familiar with the K3S and will know what is involved if you want to add options later. You will likely feel a sense of accomplishment at having completed the task. The "cons" of building a kit is that you will miss the factory final checkout, calibration and burn-in. You can do your own checkout, and the calibration is not complex - you can do it with no tools since the boards are pre-calibrated, but a signal generator such as the Elecraft XG1, XG2 or XG3 (especially the XG3) will allow you to refine the final RX Gain calibration using the K3 Utility application. A good dummy load that is rated for at least 50 watts and is 50 ohms non-reactive at 52 MHz is also needed for the TX Gain Calibration. Even if you order the factory built K3S, I would suggest that you have a dummy load of that capability available in case you want to do the TX Gain Calibration at some time in the future. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/5/2016 8:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote: > I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? > > From larrydwarner at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 21:21:35 2016 From: larrydwarner at gmail.com (Larry D. Warner) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 18:21:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request Message-ID: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> Not sure if anyone else wants this but I will ask. There are many settings in the KX3 and sometimes I get one wrong then can't figure out what it should be or maybe even can't figure out what I set improperly. It would be really great if I could save every setting in the KX3 as a setup file in the KX3. It would be even nicer if I could save multiple setups. I could have one for my favorite PSK31 setup and another for SSB operation. Each setup would store all the settings in the KX3 so when I recall it I don't need to set anything else. As a new HAM I already have a lot to remember and this would help me with my memory overload. Regards, Larry KG7ZSB You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- John Wooden From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 5 21:36:42 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:36:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request In-Reply-To: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> References: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <97a88ebc-26d6-a443-7d1e-82c9d484a4b0@embarqmail.com> Larry, The 'setup' for SSB, Data modes, CW, AM and FM are already remembered by the KX3. In addition, you can use KX3 Utility to Save the KX3 Configuration to your computer. In case you mess up the settings and cannot easily recover, KX3 Utility will restore your configuration easily. Bottom line, I think what you are requesting is already included, but in a slightly different manner than what you envision. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/5/2016 9:21 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > Not sure if anyone else wants this but I will ask. There are many settings > in the KX3 and sometimes I get one wrong then can't figure out what it > should be or maybe even can't figure out what I set improperly. It would be > really great if I could save every setting in the KX3 as a setup file in the > KX3. It would be even nicer if I could save multiple setups. I could have > one for my favorite PSK31 setup and another for SSB operation. Each setup > would store all the settings in the KX3 so when I recall it I don't need to > set anything else. As a new HAM I already have a lot to remember and this > would help me with my memory overload. > > From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 5 22:37:47 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:37:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401d207e7$a7e29590$f7a7c0b0$@biz> Hello Bill: Building is worth it if you enjoy assembling your equipment. It is NOT worth it if you simply want to get your rig working immediately. Being in a rush is what results in the most issues with building. Allow 6 to 8 hours to do the job and only work when you are awake and feeling sharp. The end result is equivalent in all respects to a factory-built unit. All critical alignments are done at the factory in either case. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill DeVore Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 5:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? Bill W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 5 22:51:56 2016 From: lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com (Luis V. Romero) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S Message-ID: <001701d207e9$a1a909f0$e4fb1dd0$@tampabay.rr.com> Peter W2IRT et. al. In the words of the Immortal Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery Scott of Star Fleet: "The more complex they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." Flex's are nice, they do nice things. My lowly K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3 station integrates just fine with anything I have here: It works in a SO2R environment with my secondary TS590s managed by microHAM u2R and two microKEYERs Via N1MMPlus Logger. Radio selection and Antenna switching is a one button push operation from N1MMPlus. When I use an amp (which I usually don't when doing SO2R), its integrated into my computer screen via the Elecraft KPA Remote application. My antenna tuner is also displayed on the screen via the KAT remote application. I have a programmable keyboard with a "Jog Knob" that allows me to tune the VFO on EITHER radio from the keyboard. N1MMPlus allows me to remotely select filters from the keyboard. My keyboard memory macros allow multiple button pushes and setting changes with a single selection. I can automatically clear RIT every time I log a QSO. I can tune RIT right from the keyboard and tune the rig from the Jog Knob for S&P operation. I can turn on the KRX3 and set splits or diversity receive all with a single button push of my keyboard macro memory. The only thing I currently cannot do is mouse on a peak in the P3 and click to go there. Working on that. All of this with a radio and PC I purchased in 2006. The system will be 10 years old next month. Flex was not ready when I was looking. They have come a long way. Craig K9CT has Maestro in his station. I'm sure it will be developed more and more as he and his ops beat on it. I'm sure more things are to come from Eric and Wayne. Time will tell. But what I have is simple, competitive, reliable and has been, for 10 years now. And I'm not totally dependent on a computer platform. I'm not that great of an op. I'm also antenna challenged here in the middle of the city. But I win my share. And I credit my K3 station for a lot of this success. Lu Romero - W4LT Tampa, FL (ARRL WCF Section) K-Line - Tribander at 40 feet - 2 Half waves in phase for 40 - Vertical Dipole for 40m/Diversity receive #1 SOLP Unlimited - Sweepstakes SSB 2016 From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Sep 5 22:56:57 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 02:56:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] High-End Hams Message-ID: <4DA9B3A3-D3EB-4FD5-A3C8-E0688DA9DD41@law.du.edu> When its author first used the self-congratulatory phrase ?high-end? and the flaming by the offended began, I though briefly about posting a defense ? suggesting that we elect to believe he meant ?high-end? as in ?expensive,? referring to the $6,000 dropped on the latest buy, rather than some qualitative judgment about other members of the hobby. But later posts, regrettably, negated that possibility. The phrase actually was used to make judgments about other hams whose passion if not intellect is different from that of others. If ?high end? is a qualitative judgment about people in the hobby, then to me a high end ham is one who with some personal sacrifice helps youngsters into the hobby, who allows other callers their time in the pile-up rather than deliberately stepping on them, who does a little public service work from time to time, who keeps their splatter to a minimum, who always QSLs when asked, who experiments with advances in their own practice and knowledge in a way consistent with their means and their abilities, and who graciously helps others with their problems when their own experience and knowledge may be the better ? sort of like most of the participants in this reflector. Ted, KN1CBR From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Sep 5 22:57:35 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1D2B03F6-8496-43F9-A5B7-E37787052BD4@widomaker.com> You save $200 It's easy to build and you have an appreciation of what's inside. You will save $200. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 5, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote: > > I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? > > Bill > > W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w4sc at windstream.net Mon Sep 5 23:37:30 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 23:37:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - "Birdies" on P3 that tracks VFO A Message-ID: If you are not using the P3 IF OUT port, make sure that the switch (on the back panel) that inserts the 3db splitter is in the OFF position. I have seen issues with the P3 IF OUT set to ON and no load (other SDR receiver, or TERMINATION) connected. There is not an isolation buffer between the splitter and the IF OUT port, so there could be an issue with a signal being coupled back into the P3 A-to-D signal path from an external, or internal, source. I have observed something very similar to the picture you posted with the P3 IN and OUT ports disconnected, but terminated. The ?birdies? drifted back and forth across the P3 display as it warmed up. I managed to minimize the signals amplitude by following the P3 ribbon and IF cable dressing recommendation, but could not eliminate them. de Ben W4SC From esteptony at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 00:24:43 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 23:24:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> References: <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> Message-ID: > > ....I?m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system > functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to > achieve this... ------------------ As many have posted here, it's not hard to do. But even though it's easy enough to set up and use, I didn't find it to be an enhancement to my normal operation. It's true that some find Skimmer advantageous. Bill, W4ZV is a super-op who has posted some favorable commentary about the use of Skimmer, and some clever ideas about how to get the most out of it. But to tell the truth, after I set it up and used it for a while, I scratched it. It might be useful in a contest but it was of no value in a pileup. If you have a two-receiver radio and a panadaptor, you can succeed in any pileup. Tony KT0NY From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Sep 6 00:50:48 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:50:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: <006101d207b6$7ec4e180$7c4ea480$@net> Message-ID: Peter - Thanks for your comments. I knew that ham radio was a very big tent, but I didn't know that building a station was a goal in and of itself for some hams. My view of the tent has gotten bigger. I'm a bit blind in the area of automatic radio. I've never run CWSkimmer. I don't know of any similar program for voice modes. My interests are mostly in emergency services and building equipment and using it on the air. I also get a lot of pleasure in club contesting at events like field day and CQP. I chase DX "because it's there" and working through a pileup with 100W and wire antennas is a challenge. Because of my emergency service interest, I tend to avoid the JT modes because they can't be used to send complex messages like, "We need 5 units of type O+ blood." Emergency preparedness makes me want to be able to send and receive CW without a computer because CW gives me the best chance of cobbling something together when "the bad thing" really happens. As far as building equipment goes, I figure that hams can be sorted into these groups: People who buy equipment to build a station People who buy kits to build a station. People who build circuits from books/magazines to build a station People who design their own equipment to build a station All of these are legitimate parts of the hobby. I have a foot in at least every category. I have bought radios for my cars. I have built radio kits for general use. I have built circuits from books, and I have designed my own automatic antenna switch controller and built it from scratch. The people I am in total awe of are the ones that design and build their own transceivers. Thank, Wayne and Eric and the rest at Elecraft for sharing your designs. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Security is like Government | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | services. The market doesn't | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | want to pay for them. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From lists at w2irt.net Tue Sep 6 01:15:00 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:15:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <005301d207b5$1eb29220$5c17b660$@net> Message-ID: <008801d207fd$93e144e0$bba3cea0$@net> From: Tony Estep [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622243h14 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:27 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S ------------------ As many have posted here, it's not hard to do. But even though it's easy enough to set up and use, I didn't find it to be an enhancement to my normal operation. [pjd] I have finally gotten it working but it?s NOT simple and is pretty limited given my hardware. Is it the best option? Maybe not, but it?s one more tool in my shed. Because of the limitations of LP-PAN, however, I found it pretty well useless in ARRL-CW this year and I just stuck to straight RBN spots. But with that said, I?d prefer to have a full local skimmer running to cut down on ?false positives??stuff the big RBN guys can copy but I can?t. It's true that some find Skimmer advantageous. Bill, W4ZV is a super-op who has posted some favorable commentary about the use of Skimmer, and some clever ideas about how to get the most out of it. [pjd] I look forward to reading these. If you have a two-receiver radio and a panadaptor, you can succeed in any pileup. [pjd] I think that fits into the YMMV category, Tony. If you can hear the guys the DX station is calling you can see who gets the 5NN and the pattern he?s working (if any) within a call or two. In a 20kHz CW pileup that can be huge?again, provided there?s prop to you and other callers as well as the DX. It helped me bag FT4JA on CW a couple of times and South Sandwich earlier this year. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622243.html To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here . NAML ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622245.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at w2irt.net Tue Sep 6 01:28:32 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:28:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <000001d20544$0b03f750$210be5f0$@net> <156f5fa159f-2530-dedf@webprd-a02.mail.aol.com> <001301d2072e$019cd0b0$04d67210$@net> <11b55cb7-9568-9056-9e99-b7867382c87e@ac0h.net> <006101d207b6$7ec4e180$7c4ea480$@net> Message-ID: <009001d207ff$737a1040$5a6e30c0$@net> From: Bill Frantz [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622244h45 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:53 AM To: Peter W2IRT Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S Peter - Thanks for your comments. I knew that ham radio was a very big tent, but I didn't know that building a station was a goal in and of itself for some hams. My view of the tent has gotten bigger. [pjd] You're quite correct about the big tent and yes indeed there's a place for everybody. In my younger days I enjoyed kits to some degree but not anymore. I prefer to buy high-end gear, good antennas so on, then combine all that hardware with functional software and squeeze every scrap of performance out of my station that I can. I'm not an emcommer at all, and I treat Field Day like any other contest (i.e. one (small) step short of a blood sport). I love CW although I'm not particularly good at it. I dislike SSB due to the lid factor and those few times I'm on digital it's usually RTTY for HF DX or JT-65 for 6m VUCC grids or new DXCC entities. I love the thrill of the chase and running in a contest. To me, any Q longer than about 5 seconds is too long , and Rate Is King. CQWW and ARRL-DX are the highlights of my ham radio year, as are the ARRL And CQ 160m contests and DXpeditions to top-10 entities. My K3S allows me to do *almost* anything I want, but the limitations I've put forth earlier in this thread are also pretty substantial and something I was hoping to overcome. My understanding is now a lot clearer, and some kind of true SDR like a QS1R or similar will need to be added to give me the true versatility I'm after. And for as much as a Flex 6700 appeals to me, I think I'm going to stick with what I have until I end up losing too many pileup battles or I find I'm at too much of a disadvantage in CQWW/ARRL-DX. - pjd ----- Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) 73, Peter W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622246.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Sep 6 01:35:42 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 01:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? Message-ID: HiI understand you can use the key out on the kx2 to signal an external amp. In the manual, it mentions to look up the voltage and current specs for this in the specifications in the manual.However, there is nothing there. Does anyone know the rating?can it directly drive a 12v relay requiring 250ma?Thanks, Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. From ldz at chopcat.co.uk Tue Sep 6 05:39:45 2016 From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (=?utf-8?Q?2E=C3=98LDZ?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:39:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD- POWER Macro Message-ID: Message-ID: > Leroy I would be interested to see the macro that you are using to set the power. I too would like to be able to toggle a higher and lower power at the push of a button 73 Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 From efortner at ctc.net Tue Sep 6 09:01:39 2016 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 09:01:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> Hi Bill, At the Shelby Hamfest, 2015 I ordered the entire K-Line, Amp, KAT500, K3s and Elecraft P3 along with the filters they suggested. I received the shipment in late September. Took inventory of all parts as they recommended. I started with the receiver and finished with KPA500 amplifier. It was not difficult and took about three weeks in spare time. It worked when finished but had one minor issue after I started using it. It turned out the reference oscillator was defective and would drift after the K3s warmed up and would stop receiving. A little trouble shooting with help from the factory soon had another reference oscillator on the way. I have probably worked a 100 new countries since then. About the only things you need to buy are a muffin tin to hold the small parts. Several new screwdrives for the small screws and a static mat with wrist clip. No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, washers and lock washers. My age is 78. Regards, Earl Fortner, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill DeVore Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? Bill W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Sep 6 09:54:54 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:54:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? Message-ID: Hi this is the KX2.Is it the same?Tom Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Dave Zeph Date: 2016-09-06 1:59 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 'tomb18' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? Yes - it's a Power FET.? From the K3 Manual: "KEY OUT (RCA/Phono) is the amplifier T-R relay keying output, capable of keying up to +200VDC @ 5A." 73 --> Dave, W9PA -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of tomb18 Sent: Tuesday, 06 September, 2016 1:36 To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? HiI understand you can use the key out on the kx2 to signal an external amp. In the manual, it mentions to look up the voltage and current specs for this in the specifications in the manual.However, there is nothing there. Does anyone know the rating?can it directly drive a 12v relay requiring 250ma?Thanks, Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w9pa at w9pa.net From charlestropp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 09:57:34 2016 From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 13:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> Message-ID: <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> It certainly is not a question of saving $200.00 because the feeling of accomplishment you will receive when the lights go on is priceless!?73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:05 AM, efortner wrote: Hi Bill, At the Shelby Hamfest, 2015 I ordered the entire K-Line, Amp, KAT500, K3s and Elecraft P3 along with the filters they suggested. I received the shipment in late September. Took inventory of all parts as they recommended. I started with the receiver and finished with KPA500 amplifier. It was not difficult and took about three weeks in spare time. It worked when finished but had one minor issue after I started using it. It turned out the reference oscillator was defective and would drift after the K3s warmed up and would stop receiving. A little trouble shooting with help from the factory soon had another reference oscillator on the way. I have probably worked a 100 new countries since then. About the only things you need to buy are a muffin tin to hold the small parts. Several new screwdrives for the small screws and a static mat with wrist clip. No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, washers and lock washers. My age is 78. Regards, Earl Fortner, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill DeVore Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? Bill W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From jstengrevics at comcast.net Tue Sep 6 10:07:20 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:07:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agree completely. Never having built something before, I get a sense of accomplishment every time I turn my K3S on. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Charles R.Tropp via Elecraft wrote: > > It certainly is not a question of saving $200.00 because the feeling of accomplishment you will receive when the lights go on is priceless! 73, Charles N2SO > Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. http://QCWA.org > > On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:05 AM, efortner wrote: > > > Hi Bill, > > At the Shelby Hamfest, 2015 I ordered the entire K-Line, Amp, KAT500, K3s and Elecraft P3 along with the filters they suggested. I received the shipment in late September. Took inventory of all parts as they recommended. I started with the receiver and finished with KPA500 amplifier. It was not difficult and took about three weeks in spare time. It worked when finished but had one minor issue after I started using it. It turned out the reference oscillator was defective and would drift after the K3s warmed up and would stop receiving. A little trouble shooting with help from the factory soon had another reference oscillator on the way. I have probably worked a 100 new countries since then. About the only things you need to buy are a muffin tin to hold the small parts. Several new screwdrives for the small screws and a static mat with wrist clip. No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, washers and lock washers. My age is 78. > > Regards, Earl Fortner, K4KAY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill DeVore > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:26 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy > > I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? > > Bill > > W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 10:17:28 2016 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 09:17:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Let?s not forget the exercise will prepare you for future mods, issues, etc. Frank KG9H > On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:07 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: > > Agree completely. Never having built something before, I get a sense of accomplishment every time I turn my K3S on. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Charles R.Tropp via Elecraft wrote: >> >> It certainly is not a question of saving $200.00 because the feeling of accomplishment you will receive when the lights go on is priceless! 73, Charles N2SO >> Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. http://QCWA.org >> >> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:05 AM, efortner wrote: >> >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> At the Shelby Hamfest, 2015 I ordered the entire K-Line, Amp, KAT500, K3s and Elecraft P3 along with the filters they suggested. I received the shipment in late September. Took inventory of all parts as they recommended. I started with the receiver and finished with KPA500 amplifier. It was not difficult and took about three weeks in spare time. It worked when finished but had one minor issue after I started using it. It turned out the reference oscillator was defective and would drift after the K3s warmed up and would stop receiving. A little trouble shooting with help from the factory soon had another reference oscillator on the way. I have probably worked a 100 new countries since then. About the only things you need to buy are a muffin tin to hold the small parts. Several new screwdrives for the small screws and a static mat with wrist clip. No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, washers and lock washers. My age is 78. >> >> Regards, Earl Fortner, K4KAY >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill DeVore >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:26 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy >> >> I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? >> >> Bill >> >> W3PNM >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From dmoes at nexicom.net Tue Sep 6 10:23:20 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20160906142320.6733909.12567.34353@nexicom.net> I agree with the others. Building it is a sense of complement, but more important. If down the road you decide to add to it or there is trouble and a component needs replacing, if you built it you will have a better idea and confidence to open the box and work on it.? ? Original Message ? From: John Stengrevics Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:07 AM To: Charles R.Tropp Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Bill DeVore Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy Agree completely. Never having built something before, I get a sense of accomplishment every time I turn my K3S on. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Charles R.Tropp via Elecraft wrote: > > It certainly is not a question of saving $200.00 because the feeling of accomplishment you will receive when the lights go on is priceless! 73, Charles N2SO > Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. http://QCWA.org > > On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:05 AM, efortner wrote: > > > Hi Bill, > > At the Shelby Hamfest, 2015 I ordered the entire K-Line, Amp, KAT500, K3s and Elecraft P3 along with the filters they suggested. I received the shipment in late September. Took inventory of all parts as they recommended. I started with the receiver and finished with KPA500 amplifier. It was not difficult and took about three weeks in spare time. It worked when finished but had one minor issue after I started using it. It turned out the reference oscillator was defective and would drift after the K3s warmed up and would stop receiving. A little trouble shooting with help from the factory soon had another reference oscillator on the way. I have probably worked a 100 new countries since then. About the only things you need to buy are a muffin tin to hold the small parts. Several new screwdrives for the small screws and a static mat with wrist clip. No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, washers and lock washers. My age is 78. > > Regards, Earl Fortner, K4KAY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill DeVore > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:26 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy > > I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? > > Bill > > W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Sep 6 10:44:03 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? Message-ID: Hi Ok, ? it does mention up to 30v but no current is specified. I guess it should handle 250m ma then. Thanks Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Gil Drynan Date: 2016-09-06 10:22 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tomb18 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? I do not have the KX2 manual in front of me.? But I do recall the KX2 manual specification does list a maximum voltage. (I think is was in the range of 40 vdc.) I will look it up at reply back.? The manual does not list a maximum current.? However, my KX2 does handle the 12v relay in my Ameritron 500m. That I use in my travel trailer. Gil W7GIL > Hi this is the KX2.Is it the same?Tom > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Dave Zeph Date: > 2016-09-06? 1:59 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: 'tomb18' > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? > Yes - it's a Power FET.?? From the K3 Manual: > > "KEY OUT (RCA/Phono) is the amplifier T-R relay > keying output, capable of keying up to +200VDC > @ 5A." > > > 73 --> Dave, W9PA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > tomb18 > Sent: Tuesday, 06 September, 2016 1:36 > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? > > HiI understand you can use the key out on the kx2 to signal an external > amp. > In the manual, it mentions to look up the voltage and current specs for > this > in the specifications in the manual.However, there is nothing there. Does > anyone know the rating?can it directly drive a 12v relay requiring > 250ma?Thanks, Tom??va2fsq.com?? > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w9pa at w9pa.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gild at seanet.com From w0gv at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 11:05:23 2016 From: w0gv at hotmail.com (Gerry Villhauer) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 15:05:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Key Out Problem Message-ID: I have had my K3 for a couple years now. Had a Flex 5000 prior. Love the K3 but discovered a problem. I recently got a receiving loop antenna an connected the keyoutput from the K3 to shut the power off to the loop when transmitting. On SSB in works fine when the mic is keyed. When operating CW it does not give an output to shutdown the power. Any help appreciated. Gerry, W0GV From w7aqk at cox.net Tue Sep 6 11:04:42 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 08:04:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy Message-ID: If you ever spent Christmas Eve putting toys together for your kids, you probably are qualified to go with the kit!!! Hi. It's really just an assembly process, and the instructions are pretty straight forward. More than anything, it is a matter of just being careful, reading the instructions, and not trying to go too fast. Inventory the parts carefully (that's critical!), and separate them in an organized fashion. Do that, and you have half the battle won. Some parts may be a close fit, but they do fit! Tool requirements are relatively simple, and no soldering. In the end, you know a lot more about what is inside the case, and where it is. You need a lot of room, so unless you have a particularly large, uncluttered work bench, use the dining room table with a good protective pad on top. Order in pizza--no cooking during assembly! Anyway, saving the $200 is not the wrong thing to do, unless a reasonable amount of patience is not one of your virtues. It doesn't take all that long, and it's really not all that difficult, but you do need to proceed with reasonable care. I recommend some nice soft, soothing music in the background just to keep yourself relaxed! Hi. Dave W7AQK From charlestropp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 11:17:54 2016 From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 15:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD- POWER Macro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <639685188.1949840.1473175074405@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Trevor, For Macro Label QRO Tap F2 ?use PC100;Macro Label QRP Hold F2 ?use PC005;? Of course you can use switch the order of hold and tap and use any matching pair of F keys and any value you want to toggle. See also Programmer's reference manual P.2 Table 1.?73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:42 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: Message-ID: > Leroy I would be interested to see the macro that you are using to set the power. I too would like to be able to toggle a higher and lower power at the push of a button 73 Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 6 11:25:08 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 11:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Key Out Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0d197fb9-5b93-2f5d-4b56-462b2a0acdc0@embarqmail.com> Gerry, What are you using to measure the KEYOUT line? In CW, it will follow the QSK keying. so it will be a series of fast pulses. If you are trying to measure with an ohmmeter (or voltmeter), it may not respond fast enough to see it on the meter. The fact that it works when you key the microphone indicates that it is working. Whether your RX antenna is fast enough to follow the K3 keying is quite another matter - if it uses a relay, it may not be fast enough. There are K3 menu parameters that will change the Delay time, see the TX DLY menu listing for details. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/6/2016 11:05 AM, Gerry Villhauer wrote: > I have had my K3 for a couple years now. Had a Flex 5000 prior. Love the K3 but discovered a problem. I recently got a receiving loop antenna an connected the keyoutput from the K3 to shut the power off to the loop when transmitting. On SSB in works fine when the mic is keyed. When operating CW it does not give an output to shutdown the power. Any help appreciated. > Gerry, W0GV > From holgerschurig at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 12:25:28 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:25:28 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 stopped answering to serial commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ian, yes and yes: - yes, it echos back one character at a time, like I'm typing - yes, it echos back even when I enter random characters. I opened my KX3 and removed the the shielding (Battery retainer). Then I measured at J3 (ACC1). Imagine that the ACC1 is positioned towards the left, then the lower-right and the right pins of J3 have a connection according to my Multimeter. But I think that is the switch that is inside the socket. Otherwise I can't see anything, e.g. no weird soldering or some remnant of a wire doing some short. 73, Holger DH3HS From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Tue Sep 6 12:53:04 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:53:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 2015 Handbook and Tri-Mox moxon antenna construction Message-ID: Good Morning All, Anyone have a 2015 Handbook they would be willing to sell ? Specifically I'm interested in the 3 band Moxon (Tri-Mox?) construction article... Course, my collection of handbooks has suffered in the last few years, so the whole handbook would be appreciated if someone has one available... Niel WA7SSA From w0fm at swbell.net Tue Sep 6 15:24:10 2016 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 14:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016401d20874$3f718b00$be54a100$@swbell.net> Earl, K4KAY wrote " No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, washers and lock washers. My age is 78." I am 69 and with apologies to all the members of this site who don't have enough years behind them to get this, I will simply state "think Erector Set". Terry, W?FM -----Original Message----- From: Charles R.Tropp [mailto:charlestropp at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 8:58 AM To: efortner; 'Bill DeVore'; 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy It certainly is not a question of saving $200.00 because the feeling of accomplishment you will receive when the lights go on is priceless! 73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. http://QCWA.org On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:05 AM, efortner wrote: Hi Bill, At the Shelby Hamfest, 2015 I ordered the entire K-Line, Amp, KAT500, K3s and Elecraft P3 along with the filters they suggested. I received the shipment in late September. Took inventory of all parts as they recommended. I started with the receiver and finished with KPA500 amplifier. It was not difficult and took about three weeks in spare time. It worked when finished but had one minor issue after I started using it. It turned out the reference oscillator was defective and would drift after the K3s warmed up and would stop receiving. A little trouble shooting with help from the factory soon had another reference oscillator on the way. I have probably worked a 100 new countries since then. About the only things you need to buy are a muffin tin to hold the small parts. Several new screwdrives for the small screws and a static mat with wrist clip. No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, washers and lock washers. My age is 78. Regards, Earl Fortner, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill DeVore Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? Bill W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From lmarion at mt.net Tue Sep 6 16:56:03 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 14:56:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD- POWER Macro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <022501d20881$15adf0d0$4109d270$@mt.net> In a TAP position I have TUNE5W PC005;SWH16; goes into 5W tune, Tap again it goes to operate. In the corresponding HOLD I have TUNE15W PCO15;SWH16; Goes to 5W tune(I have the CONFIG TUNE PWR set to 5W), sets the drive level to 15W. TAP it again it goes to operate. That gives me 475W out on 160mtrs. That is TOO much drive for me on 6mtrs. Works for me. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 2E?LDZ Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 3:40 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD- POWER Macro Message-ID: > Leroy I would be interested to see the macro that you are using to set the power. I too would like to be able to toggle a higher and lower power at the push of a button 73 Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 17:16:40 2016 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:16:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <016401d20874$3f718b00$be54a100$@swbell.net> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> <016401d20874$3f718b00$be54a100$@swbell.net> Message-ID: <6e2b6fe4-28a5-9f9e-8116-98485f2dafa3@gmail.com> Erector Set without the cut fingers. :-) 73, Mike ab3ap On 09/06/2016 03:24 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > Earl, K4KAY wrote " No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, > washers and lock washers. My age is 78." > > I am 69 and with apologies to all the members of this site who don't > have enough years behind them to get this, I will simply state "think > Erector Set". > > Terry, W?FM From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Sep 6 17:32:32 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:32:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? Message-ID: Ok thank you.73 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Peter Lambert Date: 2016-09-06 5:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'tomb18' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? Manual (rev A5) says 28V 150mA max (page 43). Peter VK4JD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of tomb18 Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 12:44 AM To: gild at seanet.com; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? Hi Ok,?? it does mention up to 30v but no current is specified. I guess it should handle 250m ma then. Thanks Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Gil Drynan Date: 2016-09-06? 10:22 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: tomb18 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? I do not have the KX2 manual in front of me.? But I do recall the KX2 manual specification does list a maximum voltage. (I think is was in the range of 40 vdc.) I will look it up at reply back.? The manual does not list a maximum current.? However, my KX2 does handle the 12v relay in my Ameritron 500m. That I use in my travel trailer. Gil W7GIL > Hi this is the KX2.Is it the same?Tom > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Dave Zeph Date: > 2016-09-06? 1:59 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: 'tomb18' > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? > Yes - it's a Power FET.?? From the K3 Manual: > > "KEY OUT (RCA/Phono) is the amplifier T-R relay keying output, capable > of keying up to +200VDC @ 5A." > > > 73 --> Dave, W9PA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > tomb18 > Sent: Tuesday, 06 September, 2016 1:36 > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Can the key out drive a relay? > > HiI understand you can use the key out on the kx2 to signal an > external amp. > In the manual, it mentions to look up the voltage and current specs > for this in the specifications in the manual.However, there is nothing > there. Does anyone know the rating?can it directly drive a 12v relay > requiring 250ma?Thanks, Tom? va2fsq.com? > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w9pa at w9pa.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > gild at seanet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to plambert at qa.com.au From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Sep 6 18:05:48 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 15:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <6e2b6fe4-28a5-9f9e-8116-98485f2dafa3@gmail.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> <016401d20874$3f718b00$be54a100$@swbell.net> <6e2b6fe4-28a5-9f9e-8116-98485f2dafa3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Having built the K2 and all accessories, I ordered my K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 assembled -- mainly due to the size and weight of some (particularly with the KPA500). The K2 was all the building experience (from 1999-2003 as accessories were developed) I really needed -- along with other, smaller kits. I did assemble the KX3 and PX3. And in the case of the KX3 I rather regretted that choice: One small mechanical part, a standoff, was not usable and I had to wait five days for a replacement. Of course, in the long run it hardly matters. But I do find the "melt solder" kits more fun to build and get working, and miss the days when so many thru-hole part kits were available. The K2 is the last really challenging one, IMO. 73, Phil W7OX On 9/6/16 2:16 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > Erector Set without the cut fingers. :-) > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > > On 09/06/2016 03:24 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> Earl, K4KAY wrote " No soldering, just a lot of >> small screws, nuts, >> washers and lock washers. My age is 78." >> >> I am 69 and with apologies to all the members >> of this site who don't >> have enough years behind them to get this, I >> will simply state "think >> Erector Set". From ar at dseven.org Tue Sep 6 18:05:52 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 15:05:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 stopped answering to serial commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Holger Schurig wrote: > - yes, it echos back one character at a time, like I'm typing > > - yes, it echos back even when I enter random characters. Does the echo happen if the KX3 is connected but not powered on? > I opened my KX3 and removed the the shielding (Battery retainer). Then I > measured at J3 (ACC1). Imagine that the ACC1 is positioned towards the left, > then the lower-right and the right pins of J3 have a connection according to > my Multimeter. But I think that is the switch that is inside the socket. Yes, I see the same thing, but only when there is nothing plugged in. The schematic shows a switch connected to (unused) pin 4. A simpler test might be to use a stereo audio cable, plugged into ACC1 - measure between the tip and ring at the other end. I see a few M-ohms there in both directions... 73, ~iain / N6ML From k9yeq at live.com Tue Sep 6 18:34:39 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:34:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> <003601d2083e$cf1a0830$6d4e1890$@net> <703230429.2021773.1473170254923@mail.yahoo.com> <016401d20874$3f718b00$be54a100$@swbell.net> <6e2b6fe4-28a5-9f9e-8116-98485f2dafa3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Phil, My sentiments as well. The K2, KX1, and other basic through hole building is what matters to me. The joy of trouble shooting is gone for me. I work on PC repairs, Wi-Fi and network issues... that is more than plenty. I enjoy having my stuff built. I still build PC's for customers but even that is a disappearing art and unless you do it regularly, it becomes a bit of a task. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:06 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy Having built the K2 and all accessories, I ordered my K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 assembled -- mainly due to the size and weight of some (particularly with the KPA500). The K2 was all the building experience (from 1999-2003 as accessories were developed) I really needed -- along with other, smaller kits. I did assemble the KX3 and PX3. And in the case of the KX3 I rather regretted that choice: One small mechanical part, a standoff, was not usable and I had to wait five days for a replacement. Of course, in the long run it hardly matters. But I do find the "melt solder" kits more fun to build and get working, and miss the days when so many thru-hole part kits were available. The K2 is the last really challenging one, IMO. 73, Phil W7OX On 9/6/16 2:16 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > Erector Set without the cut fingers. :-) > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > > On 09/06/2016 03:24 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> Earl, K4KAY wrote " No soldering, just a lot of small screws, nuts, >> washers and lock washers. My age is 78." >> >> I am 69 and with apologies to all the members of this site who don't >> have enough years behind them to get this, I will simply state "think >> Erector Set". ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k6sdw at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 18:49:07 2016 From: k6sdw at hotmail.com (Eddy Avila) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 22:49:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 mic suggestions Message-ID: Hello again, I've been using the Heil mic on my K2 that Elecraft sold and I've never been satisfied with the results. Has anyone tried other mics, such as from Kenwood for better performance........mainly more output and less bass? Tnx and 73 ed From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 19:04:34 2016 From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:04:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 High Current Message-ID: I'm running PSK31 on 20 meters with my K2 and FLDigi. At any power level the display reads HI Cur every time I go to transmit. I'm not sure if I have something set wrong or what. Thank you Aaron K5ATG From wa2si at arrl.net Tue Sep 6 19:06:28 2016 From: wa2si at arrl.net (Bert Craig) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:06:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 mic suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d20893$4c6025f0$e52071d0$@arrl.net> Search eBay for a NOS Turner JM+2/U hand mic. Do not adjust it to obnoxious levels and it will sound absolutely wonderful. If the possibility of an old curmudgeon or two taunting you over using a "CB" mic is of concern, tell them you're using an Icom HM-36 and have a private laugh at their expense when they give you glowing audio reports. Hope that helps. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eddy Avila Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 18:49 To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K2 mic suggestions Hello again, I've been using the Heil mic on my K2 that Elecraft sold and I've never been satisfied with the results. Has anyone tried other mics, such as from Kenwood for better performance........mainly more output and less bass? Tnx and 73 ed ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa2si at arrl.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 6 19:06:48 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:06:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 mic suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ed, Instead of trying different microphones, I suggest you modify the KSB2 option board to reduce the bass response. Change C34 to a 0.47uF electrolytic capacitor and C32 to something in the range of .0043uF to .0056uF and you will reduce the bass response significantly. Those are values recommended by Jim Brown K9YC (an audio professional). I have tried them and they work well. With those changes, most any microphone including the Elecraft MH2 will sound better. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/6/2016 6:49 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > Hello again, I've been using the Heil mic on my K2 that Elecraft sold and I've never been satisfied with the results. > > > Has anyone tried other mics, such as from Kenwood for better performance........mainly more output and less bass? > From lists at w2irt.net Tue Sep 6 19:46:22 2016 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:46:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00bd01d20898$e2b8d1a0$a82a74e0$@net> From: "Luis V. Romero" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S In the words of the Immortal Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery Scott of Star Fleet: "The more complex they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." [pjd] A sentiment I generally hold to quite religiously. Scotty had the right of it. Flex's are nice, they do nice things. My lowly K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3 station integrates just fine with anything I have here: It works in a SO2R environment with my secondary TS590s managed by microHAM u2R and two microKEYERs Via N1MMPlus Logger. Radio selection and Antenna switching is a one button push operation from N1MMPlus.[pjd] [pjd] That's a nice setup, no question. But imagine doing all of that with one and only one piece of hardware (plus the amp/tuner)? That's the intriguing part to me. SO2R with one box. But that said, SO2R however it's done is a pretty amazing feat and my hat is off to anybody who can do it well. All of this with a radio and PC I purchased in 2006. The system will be 10 years old next month. Flex was not ready when I was looking. They have come a long way. Craig K9CT has Maestro in his station. I'm sure it will be developed more and more as he and his ops beat on it. I'm sure more things are to come from Eric and Wayne. Time will tell. [pjd] I hope so. I would dearly love to see an Elecraft pure SDR far more than I would prefer to jump into the Flex line. After 14 months I've JUST managed to figure out enough to be comfortable with my K3S as it is! [pjd] And to answer an earlier question, I don't *want* to abandon the K3 platform (or Elecraft themselves--I believe in the company whole heartedly). But I would like to see something with a fresh approach to hamming that's a direct shot across the bow of the Flex 6700. The single biggest issue to be overcome is having multiple pieces of software needing to control the radio and speak to each other. In my case, the K3S, Microham Router, DX Lab Suite's Commander *and* WinWarbler, a second instance of MMTTY, WSJT-X, CW Skimmer, N1MM Plus, RCFOrb Server, Win4K3, and NaP3. I do not believe it's possible to run everything together and have it all work on the K3. Of course, my biggest dream is to do SO2R, but that's a long ways out. >>But what I have is simple, competitive, reliable and has been, for 10 years now. And I'm not totally dependent on a computer platform. [pjd] This is where you and I differ. I would rather do all of this through software, not hardware. Too many wires behind the desk is a recipe for failure IMHO, and said failure invariably happens at the most inopportune time. Right in the middle of a P5 pileup or a nice EU run in CQWW. I would much rather have everything on a RELIABLE computer, tested eight ways from Sunday and backed up daily (with a 3 week archive), so if something goes completely pear shaped, it's a brief reload from a known-good backup and I'm back in business. I'm not tracking down a bad cable that the cat dislodged or that suffered a mechanical failure in a multi-conductor connector. Then again, I sit and stare at computer screens for 14-18 hours a day anyways, so I'm far more comfortable in front of a PC than some. >>I'm not that great of an op. I'm also antenna challenged here in the middle of the city. But I win my share. And I credit my K3 station for a lot of this success. [pjd] Ditto on all accounts. Just a 70' tower, one antenna per band, wires for 80/160 and a small RX loop for 160, all on a quarter-acre city lot. One radio, one 8-port antenna switch, a P3, tuner, amp and computer. Thazzit. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT www.facebook.com/W2IRT From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 6 20:46:43 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 20:46:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 High Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8280ed40-bf14-6f9a-b91f-27186dc151c6@embarqmail.com> Aaron, HiCur messages are a symptom, but not the "disease". It can mean that you might have a bad connection in your antenna system or something similar. Test into a dummy load to tell if it is a K2 problem or an antenna problem. If it works into a dummy load, then the antenna is the problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/6/2016 7:04 PM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: > I'm running PSK31 on 20 meters with my K2 and FLDigi. At any power level > the display reads HI Cur every time I go to transmit. I'm not sure if I > have something set wrong or what. > Thank you > Aaron K5ATG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 22:02:25 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:02:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig logging Message-ID: I'm in the process of setting up my K3/0 mini to access my remote K3 using Remote Rig 1258 MkII boxes. Everything is working correctly on my LAN and also when using a Verizon connection for the control and my LAN for the remote. My only problem is figuring out how to use a PC logging program on the control side of things. According to instructions in the RemoteRig manual: "If you want to connect a logging or PC-control software to the system you can connect it to the Control-RRC COM1 via RS-232 or USB and configure both RRC:s COM1 to ?Mode-7, CAT to COM2 (local&remote)?. I've tried that using an RS-232 to USB cable without success. Has anyone done this successfully and what might I be missing??? 73 Mike - W0AG From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Wed Sep 7 07:24:00 2016 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 06:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig logging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04ac01d208fa$54ff0110$fefd0330$@austin.rr.com> Mike, I use both LOGic9 and N1MM+ successfully via the USB connection to the K3/0 mini, using USB at the PC end. Have used it with both K3 and K3S at the remote site, and K3/0 and K3/0 mini at the control site. Make sure you have the latest firmware in the RRC at the control end. When you hook up the USB on the RRC to your PC, you should hear the "BeeBoop" sound and then in windows device manager under the "Ports (COM & LPT) you should see something like: RRC1258 COM0 (COM3) RRC1258 COM1 (COM4) RRC1258 COM2 (COM6) RRC1258 COMExtra (COM5) These should appear even if the rig is not connected or turned on, but there must be power to the K3/0 mini. The left COM# on each line is the port referred to in the RRC documentation, he right one is the way windows has numbered it on your PC. In my setup, COM4 is the K3 at 9600N1, and COM5 is the Winkeyer at 1200N2. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Murray Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:02 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig logging I'm in the process of setting up my K3/0 mini to access my remote K3 using Remote Rig 1258 MkII boxes. Everything is working correctly on my LAN and also when using a Verizon connection for the control and my LAN for the remote. My only problem is figuring out how to use a PC logging program on the control side of things. According to instructions in the RemoteRig manual: "If you want to connect a logging or PC-control software to the system you can connect it to the Control-RRC COM1 via RS-232 or USB and configure both RRC:s COM1 to ?Mode-7, CAT to COM2 (local&remote)?. I've tried that using an RS-232 to USB cable without success. Has anyone done this successfully and what might I be missing??? 73 Mike - W0AG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com From n3ikq at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 16:40:22 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 20:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable?? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! ? From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Sep 7 16:59:26 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 13:59:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4783399e-ab70-42bd-353b-672cc1754211@triconet.org> No suffix would be just fine. On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! > > _ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 7 17:08:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 17:08:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4dab4b1c-be71-1481-e26c-97ab9b4c8033@embarqmail.com> Rick, I am no expert on this, but my gut tells me that if you simply pull over and operate, you are still mobile. When you pull over and put up a mast, then you would be portable. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/7/2016 4:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 17:14:36 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 17:14:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <4783399e-ab70-42bd-353b-672cc1754211@triconet.org> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> <4783399e-ab70-42bd-353b-672cc1754211@triconet.org> Message-ID: <291573CB-FFDB-4F81-89A8-A3EDE6E44188@gmail.com> The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality. If forced to choose, I?d probably sign mobile if I were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or parked. If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot ? portable. Which begs the question ? are you still ?MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? :-) Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > No suffix would be just fine. > > > On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! >> _ > > ______________________________________________________________ > From larrydwarner at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 17:17:12 2016 From: larrydwarner at gmail.com (Larry D. Warner) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 14:17:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request In-Reply-To: <97a88ebc-26d6-a443-7d1e-82c9d484a4b0@embarqmail.com> References: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> <97a88ebc-26d6-a443-7d1e-82c9d484a4b0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <18f001d2094d$33dd2b30$9b978190$@gmail.com> Don, This is better than nothing but I don't always have my computer with me when in portable operation. I would prefer the configurations be stored internally so I can recall them from the front panel. Just like I can now do with frequency storage memory. Regards, Larry KG7ZSB You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:37 PM To: Larry D. Warner ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request Larry, The 'setup' for SSB, Data modes, CW, AM and FM are already remembered by the KX3. In addition, you can use KX3 Utility to Save the KX3 Configuration to your computer. In case you mess up the settings and cannot easily recover, KX3 Utility will restore your configuration easily. Bottom line, I think what you are requesting is already included, but in a slightly different manner than what you envision. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/5/2016 9:21 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > Not sure if anyone else wants this but I will ask. There are many > settings in the KX3 and sometimes I get one wrong then can't figure > out what it should be or maybe even can't figure out what I set > improperly. It would be really great if I could save every setting in > the KX3 as a setup file in the KX3. It would be even nicer if I could > save multiple setups. I could have one for my favorite PSK31 setup > and another for SSB operation. Each setup would store all the > settings in the KX3 so when I recall it I don't need to set anything > else. As a new HAM I already have a lot to remember and this would help me with my memory overload. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 7 17:26:53 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 17:26:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request In-Reply-To: <18f001d2094d$33dd2b30$9b978190$@gmail.com> References: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> <97a88ebc-26d6-a443-7d1e-82c9d484a4b0@embarqmail.com> <18f001d2094d$33dd2b30$9b978190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11087a27-9ed1-d34e-3931-aa7b2b220cfe@embarqmail.com> Larry, I don't know what "configurations" you may need, but for the most part, once set up there is little need to go into the menu and make changes. Several menu settings are per mode and others are per band. All those are remembered internally and there is no need for a computer to change them - just operate. If you are doing 'serious operating' while portable, such as contesting, then in all likelihood you would have a computer running in conjunction with the radio. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/7/2016 5:17 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > Don, > > This is better than nothing but I don't always have my computer with me when > in portable operation. I would prefer the configurations be stored > internally so I can recall them from the front panel. Just like I can now > do with frequency storage memory. > > Regards, > > Larry > KG7ZSB > > You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will > never be able to repay you. > -- John Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:37 PM > To: Larry D. Warner ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request > > Larry, > > The 'setup' for SSB, Data modes, CW, AM and FM are already remembered by the > KX3. In addition, you can use KX3 Utility to Save the KX3 Configuration to > your computer. In case you mess up the settings and cannot easily recover, > KX3 Utility will restore your configuration easily. > > Bottom line, I think what you are requesting is already included, but in a > slightly different manner than what you envision. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/5/2016 9:21 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: >> Not sure if anyone else wants this but I will ask. There are many >> settings in the KX3 and sometimes I get one wrong then can't figure >> out what it should be or maybe even can't figure out what I set >> improperly. It would be really great if I could save every setting in >> the KX3 as a setup file in the KX3. It would be even nicer if I could >> save multiple setups. I could have one for my favorite PSK31 setup >> and another for SSB operation. Each setup would store all the >> settings in the KX3 so when I recall it I don't need to set anything >> else. As a new HAM I already have a lot to remember and this would help > me with my memory overload. >> > > From k9jri at mac.com Wed Sep 7 17:37:50 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2016 17:37:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <291573CB-FFDB-4F81-89A8-A3EDE6E44188@gmail.com> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> <4783399e-ab70-42bd-353b-672cc1754211@triconet.org> <291573CB-FFDB-4F81-89A8-A3EDE6E44188@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30BE1D66-0D90-48BB-9B20-6E3A043BC4E7@mac.com> You never were. MM only applied if you were on the ?high seas?. Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality. If forced to choose, I?d probably sign mobile if I were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or parked. If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot ? portable. > > Which begs the question ? are you still ?MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? > > :-) > > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > >> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> No suffix would be just fine. >> >> >> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >>> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! >>> _ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Sep 7 17:46:33 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 14:46:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <291573CB-FFDB-4F81-89A8-A3EDE6E44188@gmail.com> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> <4783399e-ab70-42bd-353b-672cc1754211@triconet.org> <291573CB-FFDB-4F81-89A8-A3EDE6E44188@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/7/2016 2:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality. If forced to > choose, I?d probably sign mobile if I were using my mobile rig and > mobile ant, moving or parked. If I were using my car to hold up a > mast and a beam on a grassy spot ? portable. If you're on CW and you sign NQ5T/M, you are non-compliant with 47CFR97. Self-assigned indicators cannot duplicate ITU-assigned prefixes and all the M's belong to HM Queen Elizabeth [or somesuch]. > > Which begs the question ? are you still ?MM" if your boat is tied up > to a pier? Technically, you are MM only when in international waters and very few docks are found in international waters [maybe drilling platforms?]. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk Wed Sep 7 18:00:31 2016 From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:00:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3942F37319384CC8856B4E5B98EFBCC8@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> This is fairly easy and appears to (mostly) have world wide agreement. If you are operating from a vehicle, whether it's moving or stationary and transmission equipment is contained on or in the vehicle, in other words it's capable of being moved without alteration, then you are mobile. This applies even if you were outside the vehicle with the microphone cable trailing out the window. The moment you attach anything to the transmission equipment that is outside the vehicle, whether supported by it or not, thus preventing the vehicle from being moved without detachment, then you are portable. Something also often used is "static mobile". This suffix does not exist and IMO sounds rather silly. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: rick jones via Elecraft Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:40 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Sep 7 18:22:40 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:22:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <4dab4b1c-be71-1481-e26c-97ab9b4c8033@embarqmail.com> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> <4dab4b1c-be71-1481-e26c-97ab9b4c8033@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed,9/7/2016 2:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I am no expert on this, but my gut tells me that if you simply pull > over and operate, you are still mobile. When you pull over and put up > a mast, then you would be portable. Exactly right. The generally accepted definition of mobile is "capable of operation in motion, including all components of the station." When you park and set up a antenna or generator that cannot operate in motion, you're portable. This definition, or something quite close to it, is written into the rules of contests where mobiles are a class of operation. 73, Jim K9YC From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk Wed Sep 7 18:28:32 2016 From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:28:32 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com><4783399e-ab70-42bd-353b-672cc1754211@triconet.org><291573CB-FFDB-4F81-89A8-A3EDE6E44188@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85E8CC59E27845D68BAB375A0946C2F9@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> I don't know about other countries but in the UK we have (or at least had) a "MA" suffix, which stands for Maritime Anchored. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Fred Jensen Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 10:46 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone Technically, you are MM only when in international waters and very few docks are found in international waters [maybe drilling platforms?]. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn From kz5d at aol.com Wed Sep 7 18:42:06 2016 From: kz5d at aol.com (Art) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:42:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Tuning rate Message-ID: <15706d0c00d-3e7f-1639e@webprd-m88.mail.aol.com> Hi all, Enjoying the K-Pod immensely. When using to control VFOs, I notice that the K-Pod changes frequency at exactly 50% of the setting used on the main VFOs. For example, with 200 CTS on VFO A, the frequency changes 2 Khz per revolution. Using the K-Pod, the QSY is only 1 Khz per revolution. It would seem to be more logical if both changed frequency at the same rate. How can this be accomplished? 73, Art KZ5D From w4grj at satterfield.org Wed Sep 7 18:43:15 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2016 18:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone Message-ID: Agree you're marine mobile unless you're on high seas outside territorial Waters and then your Maritime MobileW4GRJMarine Mobile Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Michael Blake Date: 9/7/16 17:37 (GMT-05:00) To: GRANT YOUNGMAN Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone You never were.? MM only applied if you were on the ?high seas?. Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality.? If forced to choose, I?d probably sign mobile if I? were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or parked.? If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot ? portable. > > Which begs the question ? are you still ?MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier?? > > :-) > > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > >> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> No suffix would be just fine. >> >> >> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >>> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then portable?? Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! Thanks! >>> _ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Wed Sep 7 18:59:41 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:59:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request In-Reply-To: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> References: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1473289181414-7622290.post@n2.nabble.com> Not sure if you own a PX3 or whether a PX3 is appropriate for the type of portable operation in question, but I think the PX3 MSD (Mass Storage Device) feature is the closest thing to what you're looking for. You can save multiple configurations. Unfortunately, the PX3 currently only accepts a hardcoded file name. You need some way of renaming the configuration file on the MSD in order to load one of many configurations. 73's Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Software-Request-tp7622237p7622290.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Sep 7 19:40:38 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:40:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <291573CB-FFDB-4F81-89A8-A3EDE6E44188@gmail.com> Message-ID: My reading of the DXCC regs is that no contacts from a boat count for DXCC, even if the boat is in a harbor, tied to a dock, or floating on a lake entirely within the DXCC. So the snarky question is, does putting an antenna on a stand on the dock make it a portable operation the way an antenna on a stand would move a mobile operation to portable? Does it then count for DXCC? 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/7/16 at 2:14 PM, ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) wrote: >Which begs the question ? are you still ?MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower From charlestropp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 20:13:53 2016 From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 00:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Tuning rate In-Reply-To: <15706d0c00d-3e7f-1639e@webprd-m88.mail.aol.com> References: <15706d0c00d-3e7f-1639e@webprd-m88.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <359731567.654994.1473293633155@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Art, Wayne already answered this question: "The K3 and K3S both use all 400 counts of the VFO A and B encoders (100 pulses/track/revolution).? The K-Pod defaults to 200 counts. During our testing we found that this provided the best compromise between precision and "fussiness" for typical K-Pod operations. We plan to add a function to K-Pod Utility (which itself isn't quite ready yet) that will allow the user to change this to 100/200/400. 73, Wayne N6KR" ?73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:44 PM, Art via Elecraft wrote: Hi all, Enjoying the K-Pod immensely. When using to control VFOs, I notice that the K-Pod changes frequency at exactly 50% of the setting used on the main VFOs. For example, with 200 CTS on VFO A, the frequency changes 2 Khz per revolution. Using the K-Pod, the QSY is only 1 Khz per revolution. It would seem to be more logical if both changed frequency at the same rate. How can this be accomplished? 73, Art KZ5D ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Sep 7 21:24:18 2016 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:24:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone In-Reply-To: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1592035536.1354733.1473280822095@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72d6d4c4-277d-af5a-4881-6fbc5d227f77@kanafi.org> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable operation. As others have pointed out, from a regulatory standpoint this is a moot point as far as US amateurs are concerned. The Rules have not required such identification for many years now. What you add voluntarily is your business unless the identifier after the US call sign conflicts with another Administration's call sign block - the one exception is US hams operating in Canada where the Canadian VE goes after the US call sign rather than before. Someday someone is going to get after those repeater operators who add "/R" (Russia's block) after their repeater CW ID - /RPT is OK, though I like to say "K2ASP on the move" when I pull out of my parking space. :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ARRL Volunteer Counsel >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From kf0ur at radins.us Wed Sep 7 23:20:29 2016 From: kf0ur at radins.us (Shel Radin KF0UR) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 20:20:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New K-Board Feature Message-ID: <1473304829744-7622294.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, We want to let you know of a new feature in the QRPworks K-Board for the KX2, KX3, K3, K3S. In our first firmware release, using the free Message Management Utility that runs on a PC or Mac, you could define 10 named groups of 20 messages and/or rig macros (80 characters each). You then selected a group to download to the K-Board for use. A group might be for Field Day, SOTA activation, NPOTA, a contest, or any event / outing you could think of. With the new Message Management Utility now available (version 2.0) and the latest K-Board firmware (version 2.2.1), you can download all 10 groups of messages / macros (that's up to 200) to the K-Board. Then in the K-Board, you can select the group of 20 messages / macros to use (with a wireless or wired keyboard). The K-Board will confirm the group selected by displaying the group name (i.e."Field Day") on the rig's scrolling text display. In addition, you can edit the messages / macros in the field, in case you forgot something or need to make a change. So you can send messages in CW, RTTY, or PSK by using a message or just typing on the keyboard. Current K-Board users can upgrade for free. Please contact QRPworks if you'd like to do so. Tnx & 73, Shel KF0UR & Steve KB3SII -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K-Board-Feature-tp7622294.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From derf at mockford.co.uk Thu Sep 8 04:47:08 2016 From: derf at mockford.co.uk (derf at mockford.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 09:47:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 mic suggestions Message-ID: <0066cb74ae72d5b419a1a01683cfc448@mockford.co.uk> Hi, I acquired an older ElectroVoice 607 microphone on a desk stand when I built my K2 back in 2004. This mic is tailored for radio comms, 200-4000Hz. Have also done the mod described by Don Wilhelm in Elecraft Digest, Vol 149, Issue 8, Message: 19 Have another 607 mic on my Yaesu 101ZD. Always recieved glowing audio reports when using either set. Can definately recommend this mic. 73, Derf Mockford, G8ZGK From jeanpierre.behiels at telenet.be Thu Sep 8 05:19:18 2016 From: jeanpierre.behiels at telenet.be (Behiels jean-Pierre) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 11:19:18 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] : KAT100 failure Message-ID: <005701d209b2$13f5a4e0$3be0eea0$@telenet.be> Hi K2 members and Don W3FPR. Last night I do have next failure. I was transmitting with 50 W in CW with my K2/100 with in conjunction with my KAT100 into a perfect aligned 7 Mhz dipole (SWR1/1) Before starting I always do a tune with my K2 we never no the SWR is bad hi. The SWR indication on the KAT100 was outstanding 1/1,what I suspect because I now the SWR of my antenne already was 1/1 ! After transmitting a while (5 minutes or so) the KAT100 SWR indication was in the red zone,I stop transmitting immediately. My RX level was dropping down to a zero level,propably a interruption in the ANT1 connection of my KAT100. I do change by means of the K2 command on the frontpanel to ANT2 connection and back to ANT1 connection. Nothing happens to help the failure yet,same failure no RX on ANT1 connection ? I do disconnect the KAT 100 unit and remove the power supply of the K2 and his KAT 100. After all (toggling with the relays ???) I can receive again on both ANT1 and 2 but I do have the correct impression that the receive level on the ANT1 connection has been attenuated since I do hat this failure last night !!!!! There is still a failure now,I could not tune anymore the 7 Mhz antenne connected on both ANT1 or on the ANT2 connection ???? The software system the K2 is tuning well but could not find anymore a correct value of 1/1,I suppose. During the automatic tuning procedure the SWR leds are swiping around 1.7 and 2.5 (yellow leds on frontpanel of KAT100). And the systems stays tuning yet with no final result !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This last was not happens before the tuning procedure was very quick and short and the indication on the KAT100 was 1/1. I do have check the antenne himself and the antenne coax cables again nothing wrong with them ,they are all still 1/1. I think I do have damaged some components inside the KAT100 due possible RF injection or something like that during the TX operation I made ? Any suggestions are welcome,where I have to take a look on it. I do have made some measurements already Aligned to ANT 1 next relays are supplied K1-K3-K4-K6-K12 (12VDC). Aligned to ANT2 next relays are supplied K7-K13-K17-K18 (12VDC). I do have measured between the switching contacts of those activated relays 1-3-4 everything seems to be have the correct values during changeover ? To be honest because I do have not mutch experience with the KAT100 schematic,I could not direct follow witch way the RX signal is exactly following during the 2 positions of ANT1 and ANT2 !! I hope someone could me point into the correct direction . Regards Jean ON4AEF. E-mail : jeanpierre.behiels at telenet.be From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:31:41 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:31:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] : KAT100 failure In-Reply-To: <005701d209b2$13f5a4e0$3be0eea0$@telenet.be> References: <005701d209b2$13f5a4e0$3be0eea0$@telenet.be> Message-ID: Jean, If you have measured the antenna with your antenna analyzer, it should be OK. First check diodes D1 and D2 in the KAT100. If those are good, then turn to page 28 in the KAT100 manual and do the SWR Bridge Null adjustment and the Power Calibration (page 29) If you still have problems, turn to page 35 in the manual and do the procedures as described in "Testing Relays, Inductors, and Capacitors". 73, Don W3FPR On 9/8/2016 5:19 AM, Behiels jean-Pierre wrote: > > Hi K2 members and Don W3FPR. > > Last night I do have next failure. > > I was transmitting with 50 W in CW with my K2/100 with in conjunction > with my KAT100 into a perfect aligned 7 Mhz dipole (SWR1/1) > > Before starting I always do a tune with my K2 we never no the SWR is > bad hi. > > The SWR indication on the KAT100 was outstanding 1/1,what I suspect > because I now the SWR of my antenne already was 1/1 ! > > After transmitting a while (5 minutes or so) the KAT100 SWR indication > was in the red zone,I stop transmitting immediately. > > My RX level was dropping down to a zero level,propably a interruption > in the ANT1 connection of my KAT100. > > I do change by means of the K2 command on the frontpanel to ANT2 > connection and back to ANT1 connection. > > Nothing happens to help the failure yet,same failure no RX on ANT1 > connection ? > > I do disconnect the KAT 100 unit and remove the power supply of the K2 > and his KAT 100. > > After all (toggling with the relays ???) I can receive again on both > ANT1 and 2 but I do have the correct impression that the receive level > > on the ANT1 connection has been attenuated since I do hat this failure > last night !!!!! > > From classe.bergman at telia.com Thu Sep 8 11:34:16 2016 From: classe.bergman at telia.com (Classe Bergman) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 17:34:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Monitor audio lost on Line Out after upgrade of FW release in my K3 Message-ID: Hi, Today I upgraded my K3 with new FW, I was using 5.38/2.86 and I installed 5.50/2.87 I then discovered that the CW Monitor audio was lost on Lin Out. First I tought that some settings was messed up but could not find anything. I then downgraded my K3 to 5.38/2.86 and the CW Monitor audio was back ! I found that if I change settings from LIN OUT = "Nor"as I normaly use to "=Phones", the CW Monitor audio comes back. So something have changed the function of Line Out audio in the new FW release. Since all audio levels follows the Front AF vol when using "=Phones" this mess up levels to my soundcard in the PC. My K3 s/n 1464 have the old KIO board without USB interface Is this a known bug ( or maybe a feature ..) ? 73 Classe SM3GSK From sm3gsk at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 11:40:16 2016 From: sm3gsk at gmail.com (Classe Bergman) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 17:40:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Monitor audio lost on Line Out after upgrade of FW release in my K3 Message-ID: Hi, Today I upgraded my K3 with new FW, I was using 5.38/2.86 and I installed 5.50/2.87 I then discovered that the CW Monitor audio was lost on Lin Out. First I tought that some settings was messed up but could not find anything. I then downgraded my K3 to 5.38/2.86 and the CW Monitor audio was back ! I found that if I change settings from LIN OUT = "Nor"as I normaly use to "=Phones", the CW Monitor audio comes back. So something have changed the function of Line Out audio in the new FW release. Since all audio levels follows the Front AF vol when using "=Phones" this mess up levels to my soundcard in the PC. My K3 s/n 1464 have the old KIO board without USB interface Is this a known bug ( or maybe a feature ..) ? 73 Classe SM3GSK From w0agmike at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 12:33:20 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 11:33:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig logging Message-ID: Many thanks to all who responded to my plea for help - what a great list! After several failed attempts at resolving the problem, I noticed that my Windows COM ports weren't enumerated with "RRC1258...) like several had suggested. The Microbit install with drivers had proceeded without issues, so I hadn't given that part of the process any further thought. BIG mistake on my part! It turned out that the driver part of the installation had failed without any notification and the drivers weren't actually installed. I located the driver installation file on the hard drive and manually updated each of the four Windoze COM ports with the RemoteRig driver for it. SUCCESS!!! Everything now seems to be communicating correctly and logging software interfaces correctly thru the control RemoteRig back to the radio. A frustrating process to say the least, but it all now works smoothly. Final test will be later this fall from a truly remote location. Thanks again to all who responded! 73, Mike - W0AG On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:24 AM, John Langdon wrote: > Mike, > > I use both LOGic9 and N1MM+ successfully via the USB connection to the > K3/0 mini, using USB at the PC end. Have used it with both K3 and K3S at > the remote site, and K3/0 and K3/0 mini at the control site. Make sure you > have the latest firmware in the RRC at the control end. > > When you hook up the USB on the RRC to your PC, you should hear the > "BeeBoop" sound and then in windows device manager under the "Ports (COM & > LPT) you should see something like: > > RRC1258 COM0 (COM3) > RRC1258 COM1 (COM4) > RRC1258 COM2 (COM6) > RRC1258 COMExtra (COM5) > > > From gkidder at ilstu.edu Thu Sep 8 12:31:55 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 12:31:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Monitor audio lost on Line Out after upgrade of FW release in my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59562aae-9f92-4b39-b45d-5e504c008a4e@ilstu.edu> Ditto. Essentially the same problem here on upgrading to 5.50. I have not been as comprehensive in my analysis as Classe was, but essentially the same findings. What it means is that fldigi (for instance) can no longer decode CW keyed into the K3, which it used to do. But it's nice to know that the problem seems to be a new "feature"! George, W3HBM On 9/8/2016 11:40 AM, Classe Bergman wrote: > Hi, > Today I upgraded my K3 with new FW, I was using 5.38/2.86 and I installed > 5.50/2.87 > I then discovered that the CW Monitor audio was lost on Lin Out. First I > tought that some settings was messed up but could not find anything. I > then downgraded my K3 to 5.38/2.86 and the CW Monitor audio was back ! I > found that if I change settings from LIN OUT = "Nor"as I normaly use to > "=Phones", the CW Monitor audio comes back. So something have changed the > function of Line Out audio in the new FW release. > Since all audio levels follows the Front AF vol when using "=Phones" this > mess up levels to my soundcard in the PC. My K3 s/n 1464 have the old KIO > board without USB interface > > Is this a known bug ( or maybe a feature ..) ? > > 73 Classe SM3GSK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From jpescatore at aol.com Thu Sep 8 13:31:07 2016 From: jpescatore at aol.com (John K3TN) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:31:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-MINI and N1MM/Remote Rig Polling Problems Message-ID: <1473355867904-7622302.post@n2.nabble.com> At the W4AAW remote operation, several K3/0 or Mini users are constantly getting "Radio Reset" messages from their local N1MM+ instance, which indicates that the N1MM polling of the K3/Mini (to obtain freq/mode data) has not received a response for 15 seconds or more. I noticed in the K3 firmware release notes (below) that a "noise fix" for the Mini suspends RemoteRig polling during PTT. Any details on that? If VOX is in use for CW, is the PTT condition mean key down or during the entire time VOX is active? Ie, would QSK mode result in less polling disruption than VOX on CW? What I'm looking for is some way to reduce any disruption across the RRC link that would impact N1MM polling. 73 John K3TN *MCU 4.93 / DSP 2.83, 10-16-2014* * PSK63 MODE ADDED: To select PSK31 or PSK63, first tap either end of the MODE switch to select DATA, then hold the DATA MD switch and use VFO A to select the PSK data rate. * KAT500 POWER-ON REMINDER ON K3 DISPLAY: If a powered-off KAT500 is pulling the auxBus signal low when the K3 is first turned on, "TURN ON KAT500" is displayed. Previously this condition would lock up the K3 without explanation. ** K3/0-MINI TX NOISE REDUCTION: Polling by Remote-Rig units is suspended during PTT use to reduce a "ticking" noise heard in some cases.* * Changes to synthesizer, KXV3, and KPA3 device drivers (no effect on normal operation). -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-MINI-and-N1MM-Remote-Rig-Polling-Problems-tp7622302.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n1rj at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 8 16:08:12 2016 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad Message-ID: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> I found a good buy on a Genovation CP48 -USBHID keypad but don't know how to get it to work with LP-Bridge and my K3. I don't see a way to assign it to a virtual port on LP Bridge. Any suggestions? 73, Roger From bartholdl at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 18:59:22 2016 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (barthold) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 15:59:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu FT-991 with KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1419115628646-7596202.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000c01d01be2$55e56440$01b02cc0$@carolina.rr.com> <1419115628646-7596202.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1473375562835-7622304.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I know this is an old post, but sharing my recent experiences. I did build a Yaesu FT991 to KPA500/KAT500 aux cable. The actual pin connections needed to go from the 8 pin mini din on the 991 to the 15 pin connector for the KPA500/KAT500 is described in the KPA500 manual. The section appropriately named "Yaesu cable". What this will do is two things: 1) Eliminate the need for a key line (unless you have a need for a separate keyer) 2) Control the KPA500 to switch bands when you select a new band on the 991 Note you need to set the FT991 menu option 143 (tuner) to "LAMP", to make this work. What does not work, unfortunately, is to get the FT991 to provide a RF signal when you push the tune button on the KAT500. Which would have been awesome. Does anyone know how to achieve this by any chance? The best way I have found to tune with this combo is to switch to CW mode and simply key the microphone on the 991. This will provide the necessary RF power for the tuner to do its work. Then of course switch back to the mode you need. Not ideal. 73, Barthold / AD0RM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Using-Yaesu-FT-991-with-KPA500-tp7596172p7622304.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 8 20:01:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 20:01:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu FT-991 with KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1473375562835-7622304.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000c01d01be2$55e56440$01b02cc0$@carolina.rr.com> <1419115628646-7596202.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473375562835-7622304.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18288460-bc8f-a55c-3386-999471d21d06@embarqmail.com> Barthold, The KAT500 is designed to operate seamlessly with the Elecraft K-Line, but it is also usable with other non-Elecraft gear, but not as seamlessly. The fact that it needs RF from your transceiver to tune is a fact of life. The KAT500 does need RF from the K-line to tune, but that happens automatically with the K-Line. That automation is not available with non-Elecraft gear. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/8/2016 6:59 PM, barthold via Elecraft wrote: > Hi, > > I know this is an old post, but sharing my recent experiences. > > I did build a Yaesu FT991 to KPA500/KAT500 aux cable. The actual pin > connections needed to go from the 8 pin mini din on the 991 to the 15 pin > connector for the KPA500/KAT500 is described in the KPA500 manual. The > section appropriately named "Yaesu cable". > > What this will do is two things: > > 1) Eliminate the need for a key line (unless you have a need for a separate > keyer) > 2) Control the KPA500 to switch bands when you select a new band on the 991 > > Note you need to set the FT991 menu option 143 (tuner) to "LAMP", to make > this work. > > What does not work, unfortunately, is to get the FT991 to provide a RF > signal when you push the tune button on the KAT500. Which would have been > awesome. Does anyone know how to achieve this by any chance? > > The best way I have found to tune with this combo is to switch to CW mode > and simply key the microphone on the 991. This will provide the necessary RF > power for the tuner to do its work. Then of course switch back to the mode > you need. Not ideal. > > 73, > Barthold / AD0RM > > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Using-Yaesu-FT-991-with-KPA500-tp7596172p7622304.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From bartholdl at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 20:55:53 2016 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 18:55:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu FT-991 with KPA500 In-Reply-To: <18288460-bc8f-a55c-3386-999471d21d06@embarqmail.com> References: <000c01d01be2$55e56440$01b02cc0$@carolina.rr.com> <1419115628646-7596202.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473375562835-7622304.post@n2.nabble.com> <18288460-bc8f-a55c-3386-999471d21d06@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <044601d20a34$eb303d30$c190b790$@com> Hi Don, Thanks for the reply! The FT991 has an input TX-REQ (on the REM/ALC port) that, if shorted to ground, will send the necessary RF for an external tuner to function. So if the KAT500 has some way to signal that I am done. Any idea if that functionality exists? Thanks! Barthold -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 6:01 PM To: barthold; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu FT-991 with KPA500 Barthold, The KAT500 is designed to operate seamlessly with the Elecraft K-Line, but it is also usable with other non-Elecraft gear, but not as seamlessly. The fact that it needs RF from your transceiver to tune is a fact of life. The KAT500 does need RF from the K-line to tune, but that happens automatically with the K-Line. That automation is not available with non-Elecraft gear. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/8/2016 6:59 PM, barthold via Elecraft wrote: > Hi, > > I know this is an old post, but sharing my recent experiences. > > I did build a Yaesu FT991 to KPA500/KAT500 aux cable. The actual pin > connections needed to go from the 8 pin mini din on the 991 to the 15 > pin connector for the KPA500/KAT500 is described in the KPA500 manual. > The section appropriately named "Yaesu cable". > > What this will do is two things: > > 1) Eliminate the need for a key line (unless you have a need for a > separate > keyer) > 2) Control the KPA500 to switch bands when you select a new band on > the 991 > > Note you need to set the FT991 menu option 143 (tuner) to "LAMP", to > make this work. > > What does not work, unfortunately, is to get the FT991 to provide a RF > signal when you push the tune button on the KAT500. Which would have > been awesome. Does anyone know how to achieve this by any chance? > > The best way I have found to tune with this combo is to switch to CW > mode and simply key the microphone on the 991. This will provide the > necessary RF power for the tuner to do its work. Then of course switch > back to the mode you need. Not ideal. > > 73, > Barthold / AD0RM > > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Using-Yaesu-FT-991-with-KPA500-tp > 7596172p7622304.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > donwilh at embarqmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 8 21:27:30 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 18:27:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> On Thu, 2016-09-08 at 16:08 -0400, Roger D Johnson wrote: > I found a good buy on a Genovation CP48 -USBHID keypad but don't know > how to get it to work with LP-Bridge and my K3. I don't see a way to > assign > it to a virtual port on LP Bridge. Any suggestions? > > 73, Roger Hi Roger, Here is a link: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ to an article on connecting that keypad to the K3, without any other external hardware... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 8 21:30:51 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 18:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> On Thu, 2016-09-08 at 18:27 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: > On Thu, 2016-09-08 at 16:08 -0400, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > > > I found a good buy on a Genovation CP48 -USBHID keypad but don't > > know > > how to get it to work with LP-Bridge and my K3. I don't see a way to > > assign > > it to a virtual port on LP Bridge. Any suggestions? > > > > 73, Roger > > Hi Roger, > Here is a link: > > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ > > to an article on connecting that keypad to the K3, without any other > external hardware... > Make that using the P3, not directly to the K3. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Sep 9 08:04:35 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:04:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <3cadc0f5-15ce-f7fe-2d94-19950547e008@nycap.rr.com> I have a Genovation 48 key keypad up and running - has been in use for several months. With the exception of on/off, I do not have much need to reach for the K3. Uses the P3 macro memories and is not directly connected to the K3. Prior to that time I was using a PigKnob - a very practical device with 8 programmable buttons and a 2-speed tuning (VFO) knob. Uses the serial port on the K3 and can be chained with other serial devices. The latest control placed into service is a K-pod - a K-line matching device with 16 programmable buttons and a tuning (VFO) knob. Plugs into the P3 only with the addition of the P3 upgrade board. You can chain macros together until the cows come home. Just remember, the K3 will do what it is told to do - just like a computer - and it does not correct for bad coding or illogical routine order. In other words, errors will be the fault of the coder (user). I have found nothing I cannot do with macros that I actually need. Most are ridiculously simple and a few are a joke of complexity and sidestepping. Comment about all the hardware involved: For basic rig/VFO control, you cannot beat the PigKnob for usability and price (a little over $100). Anything beyond it is just frosting on the cake. Adding the Genovation keypad to the PigKnob was a serious upgrade - all controls (that I use), memories, and even direct frequency entry are supported from the keypad. Then along came the K-pod! Had the K-pod been available back when I first needed to control the K3 from a very close point, I could have stopped there. With 16 (effective number of macro buttons available - tap/hold) and the VFO matching the K3 it is hard to beat and I may eventually only have the K-pod on the edge of my desk. Sometimes I get interested in other rigs out there - then I remind myself that none will support the type of control I use. Specifically, keypads, PigKnobs, and K-pods. Thank you Elecraft for this so user customizable system. No others can compare. But, I am sure I am preaching to the choir on that point. Bill W2BLC K-line From dave at nk7z.net Fri Sep 9 08:16:18 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 05:16:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <3cadc0f5-15ce-f7fe-2d94-19950547e008@nycap.rr.com> References: <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <3cadc0f5-15ce-f7fe-2d94-19950547e008@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1473423378.3900.49.camel@nk7z.net> On Fri, 2016-09-09 at 08:04 -0400, Bill wrote: > I have a Genovation 48 key keypad up and running - has been in use for > several months. With the exception of on/off, I do not have much need > to reach for the K3. Uses the P3 macro memories and is not directly? > connected to the K3. Bill, It is funny you should say that... ?That was one of my motivators for developing the Genovation keypad connectivity, I did not want to be pressing the buttons on the K3 all the time, and wanted something that was fast, and would execute any number of macros at a single keypress. My hat is off to Elecraft for the support they gave me during the development process-- they made software changes to the P3, adding a macro for offsetting the the P3, which is part of the split + 5, and offset the P3 to show the pileup, and were very helpful overall. ? I know of no other company that would have allowed me to talk directly to the programmers. ?That level of support is unprecedented in this industry. --? 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From n0sa at att.net Fri Sep 9 10:12:12 2016 From: n0sa at att.net (Larry Naumann) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:12:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display Message-ID: I have just recently noticed that there is a continual spike that follows my cursor. It is internally generated. In CW mode it is away from my tuned signal by the amount of my CW side tone setting and can be switched to above or below the cursor depending on if I am in CW or CW-R. These spikes occur with no antenna connected and are S4 to S5 in strength depending on band. I did the Opposite Sideband Rejection adjustment but show no improvement. I think something is either set wrong or I have an issue. Any help or ideas are appreciated. Larry n0sa Sent from my iPad From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:22:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:22:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0561da20-0f06-a0a2-b7ad-3fbc58d79ff0@embarqmail.com> Larry, I suspect hum, buzz, and noise pickup on the RX I/Q cable shield between the KX3 and the PX3. Try "Bonding" - run a heavy wire or strap between the KX3 and the PX3 in parallel with the RX I/Q cable. The shield from old RG-8 coax works well. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/9/2016 10:12 AM, Larry Naumann wrote: > I have just recently noticed that there is a continual spike that follows my cursor. It is internally generated. In CW mode it is away from my tuned signal by the amount of my CW side tone setting and can be switched to above or below the cursor depending on if I am in CW or CW-R. > These spikes occur with no antenna connected and are S4 to S5 in strength depending on band. > I did the Opposite Sideband Rejection adjustment but show no improvement. > I think something is either set wrong or I have an issue. > Any help or ideas are appreciated. > From W1ie at jetbroadband.com Fri Sep 9 11:04:58 2016 From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 11:04:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How to disable the BYPASS switch Message-ID: <007201d20aab$887f1180$997d3480$@com> Hi, I've set up my K3 as a remote opened as a receiver - no transmit to all but a few selected hams. Recently I've discovered that someone has left the KAT500 in the BYPASS mode, which is telling me to "tighten" up the setup. I would like to disable BYPASS switch like I did with the ANT 3 switch using the OP CODEs provided by the program reference manual. Unfortunately, I am not able to find such a OP CODE for inhibiting the BYPASS. Any other ideas or did I just miss it? Thanks Best regards, Jerry, W1IE From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Sep 9 11:26:03 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:26:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Monitor audio lost on Line Out after upgrade of FW release in my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09FC1F1D-0224-4658-B4CE-75E5277CEE60@elecraft.com> I believe this is corrected in the latest field-test firmware release (5.53) which I'll send you. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Classe Bergman wrote: > Hi, > Today I upgraded my K3 with new FW, I was using 5.38/2.86 and I installed > 5.50/2.87 > I then discovered that the CW Monitor audio was lost on Lin Out. First I > tought that some settings was messed up but could not find anything. I > then downgraded my K3 to 5.38/2.86 and the CW Monitor audio was back ! I > found that if I change settings from LIN OUT = "Nor"as I normaly use to > "=Phones", the CW Monitor audio comes back. So something have changed the > function of Line Out audio in the new FW release. > Since all audio levels follows the Front AF vol when using "=Phones" this > mess up levels to my soundcard in the PC. My K3 s/n 1464 have the old KIO > board without USB interface > > Is this a known bug ( or maybe a feature ..) ? > > 73 Classe SM3GSK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n0sa at att.net Fri Sep 9 11:31:27 2016 From: n0sa at att.net (Larry Naumann) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:31:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display In-Reply-To: <0561da20-0f06-a0a2-b7ad-3fbc58d79ff0@embarqmail.com> References: <0561da20-0f06-a0a2-b7ad-3fbc58d79ff0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don Thanks for the suggestion but that does not fix/improve the situation. Looking at it further I also have spikes at roughly 23, 30 and 52Khz above and below my cursor. The 52 Khz signal is at S4 the other two are about S2. I can turn on the PX3 and look at the display with no antenna connected and see these spikes on every band. If I disconnect the cables to the KX3 the signals are still there but go down to S1 in strength. I have even tried running both on separate battery supplies but the problem is the same. The spikes are there even if I disconnect the I/Q cable but the spikes are very small, as soon as the I/Q cable is plugged in the spikes increase. Larry n0sa On 9/9/2016 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Larry, > > I suspect hum, buzz, and noise pickup on the RX I/Q cable shield > between the KX3 and the PX3. > Try "Bonding" - run a heavy wire or strap between the KX3 and the PX3 > in parallel with the RX I/Q cable. The shield from old RG-8 coax > works well. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/9/2016 10:12 AM, Larry Naumann wrote: >> I have just recently noticed that there is a continual spike that >> follows my cursor. It is internally generated. In CW mode it is away >> from my tuned signal by the amount of my CW side tone setting and can >> be switched to above or below the cursor depending on if I am in CW >> or CW-R. >> These spikes occur with no antenna connected and are S4 to S5 in >> strength depending on band. >> I did the Opposite Sideband Rejection adjustment but show no >> improvement. >> I think something is either set wrong or I have an issue. >> Any help or ideas are appreciated. >> > > From w4sc at windstream.net Fri Sep 9 11:58:42 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 11:58:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display Message-ID: <2DA73EA061004B94B76092F7A3E1BF91@z22z28> Larry, Read the PX3 OSB null procedure carefully. Check/do the following: 1) Clean the cable connectors contact area with alcohol applied to a clean cloth, removing oil, grease, dirt, ect. Cleaning the connector in the KX3/PX3 is more of an issue, and I haven?t found a good way to clean those. I use 91% isopropyl available at any drug store. 2) Ensure the cables are plugged and seated in completely 3) Make sure f/w setting RX-SHIFT is set to NOR. This is a per-band setting. I had trouble on a single band with obtaining a good null, and this turned out to be the issue. This is not noted in the nulling instructions. 4) Make sure f/w setting DUAL RX is set to OFF. This is a per-band setting. Suspect this could also cause an issue. Bonding the two chassis will also help (Don). I have had trouble with these connections many times, as just moving the cables can spoil the PX3 OSB Rejection. 73 de Ben W4SC From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Sep 9 12:24:26 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 12:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display Message-ID: <430lo452pelov19apuokmuoq.1473438266116@email.android.com> HiSince you are finding that the peaks diminish when the cables are removed it would seem that the cables are picking up signals from your environment.?What happens if everything in your house is turned off except for the px3?I know my p3 will show fixed peaks that don't change with tuning if ?I have certain other equipment on that is close to the px3.If you find a culprit try putting ferrite on the cables.73 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Larry Naumann Date: 2016-09-09 11:31 AM (GMT-05:00) To: donwilh at embarqmail.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display Don ? Thanks for the suggestion but that does not fix/improve the situation. Looking at it further I also have spikes at roughly 23, 30 and 52Khz above and below my cursor. The 52 Khz signal is at S4 the other two are about S2. I can turn on the PX3 and look at the display with no antenna connected and see these spikes on every band. If I disconnect the cables to the KX3 the signals are still there but go down to S1 in strength. I have even tried running both on separate battery supplies but the problem is the same. The spikes are there even if I disconnect the I/Q cable but the spikes are very small, as soon as the I/Q cable is plugged in the spikes increase. Larry n0sa On 9/9/2016 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Larry, > > I suspect hum, buzz, and noise pickup on the RX I/Q cable shield > between the KX3 and the PX3. > Try "Bonding" - run a heavy wire or strap between the KX3 and the PX3 > in parallel with the RX I/Q cable.? The shield from old RG-8 coax > works well. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/9/2016 10:12 AM, Larry Naumann wrote: >> I have just recently noticed that there is a continual spike that >> follows my cursor. It is internally generated. In CW mode it is away >> from my tuned signal by the amount of my CW side tone setting and can >> be switched to above or below the cursor depending on if I am in CW >> or CW-R. >> These spikes occur with no antenna connected and are S4 to S5 in >> strength depending on band. >> I did the Opposite Sideband Rejection adjustment but show no >> improvement. >>?? I think something is either set wrong or I have an issue. >> Any help or ideas are appreciated. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 9 13:09:58 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 18:09:58 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display In-Reply-To: References: <0561da20-0f06-a0a2-b7ad-3fbc58d79ff0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54EE957C-B4D3-4C14-950D-37AD7FE741CC@yahoo.co.uk> You will get spikes with no antenna where they are not covered up by band noise. Also if you have a really big spike near where you are tuning, try turning down the NB level in THE PX3 or turn the PX3 NB OFF. Elecraft have explained about these spikes which are as a result of the switched mode regulators in the PX3, but they are not a problem when you have an antenna connected with band noise. Let us know how that goes. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 9 Sep 2016, at 16:31, Larry Naumann wrote: > > Don > Thanks for the suggestion but that does not fix/improve the situation. Looking at it further I also have spikes at roughly 23, 30 and 52Khz above and below my cursor. The 52 Khz signal is at S4 the other two are about S2. I can turn on the PX3 and look at the display with no antenna connected and see these spikes on every band. If I disconnect the cables to the KX3 the signals are still there but go down to S1 in strength. I have even tried running both on separate battery supplies but the problem is the same. The spikes are there even if I disconnect the I/Q cable but the spikes are very small, as soon as the I/Q cable is plugged in the spikes increase. > Larry > n0sa >> On 9/9/2016 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Larry, >> >> I suspect hum, buzz, and noise pickup on the RX I/Q cable shield between the KX3 and the PX3. >> Try "Bonding" - run a heavy wire or strap between the KX3 and the PX3 in parallel with the RX I/Q cable. The shield from old RG-8 coax works well. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 9/9/2016 10:12 AM, Larry Naumann wrote: >>> I have just recently noticed that there is a continual spike that follows my cursor. It is internally generated. In CW mode it is away from my tuned signal by the amount of my CW side tone setting and can be switched to above or below the cursor depending on if I am in CW or CW-R. >>> These spikes occur with no antenna connected and are S4 to S5 in strength depending on band. >>> I did the Opposite Sideband Rejection adjustment but show no improvement. >>> I think something is either set wrong or I have an issue. >>> Any help or ideas are appreciated. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 9 13:13:53 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 18:13:53 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display In-Reply-To: <54EE957C-B4D3-4C14-950D-37AD7FE741CC@yahoo.co.uk> References: <0561da20-0f06-a0a2-b7ad-3fbc58d79ff0@embarqmail.com> <54EE957C-B4D3-4C14-950D-37AD7FE741CC@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <367432AA-9E3F-47DE-A5C9-552E38ED5AD4@yahoo.co.uk> Further, I found this reply from Wayne (back in 2014) On Oct 14, 2014, at 6:35 AM, jsdroyster at nc.rr.com wrote: > Our panadapter regularly (but not always) shows wide green bands of "noise" before the antenna is connected. When present, the bands are visible in the same panadapter screen location regardless of wbich band the radio is turned to, but the locations vary day to day (sometimes at the low end of the screen, other times in the middle). The white line on the screen rises to peaks above these green areas. Are you using a PX3 or P3? Assuming it's a PX3, try this: - make sure RX I/Q is set to ON (KX3 menu) - make sure the PX3->KX3 cables are fully seated - connect an antenna to the KX3 - switch to 20 meters - turn the preamp ON and set the PREAMP menu entry on the KX3 to 20 dB - set the PX3's SPAN to 50 kHz or lower - adjust the REF level so the "grass" (noise floor) is close to the bottom of the spectral plot With the above setup, there will typically be no visible fixed spectral lines on the PX3. As described in the PX3 FAQ on our web site, very wide SPAN settings and low front-end gain (e.g., turning off the preamp) will reduce the signal-to-noise ratio of an RX I/Q-based pandapter, including making wideband spurs more apparent. The same limitations apply when using the KX3 (or other quadrature downconversion radio) with a PC sound card. Typically this doesn't impact usability, e.g. locating signals of interest. In fact most sound cards are limited to displaying about 48 kHz of spectrum, while the PX3 can go wider thanks to its high-performance/high-speed A-to-D converter. The P3 uses a completely different method of acquiring the signal for spectral display: It digitally down converts the K3's 8.2-MHz I.F. This provides a S/N and spur advantage over an RX I/Q approach, but requires much more complex circuitry -- hence the difference in cost between the two units. Wayne N6KR 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 9 Sep 2016, at 18:09, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote: > > You will get spikes with no antenna where they are not covered up by band noise. Also if you have a really big spike near where you are tuning, try turning down the NB level in THE PX3 or turn the PX3 NB OFF. > > Elecraft have explained about these spikes which are as a result of the switched mode regulators in the PX3, but they are not a problem when you have an antenna connected with band noise. > > Let us know how that goes. > > 73 from David GM4JJJ > >> On 9 Sep 2016, at 16:31, Larry Naumann wrote: >> >> Don >> Thanks for the suggestion but that does not fix/improve the situation. Looking at it further I also have spikes at roughly 23, 30 and 52Khz above and below my cursor. The 52 Khz signal is at S4 the other two are about S2. I can turn on the PX3 and look at the display with no antenna connected and see these spikes on every band. If I disconnect the cables to the KX3 the signals are still there but go down to S1 in strength. I have even tried running both on separate battery supplies but the problem is the same. The spikes are there even if I disconnect the I/Q cable but the spikes are very small, as soon as the I/Q cable is plugged in the spikes increase. >> Larry >> n0sa >>> On 9/9/2016 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Larry, >>> >>> I suspect hum, buzz, and noise pickup on the RX I/Q cable shield between the KX3 and the PX3. >>> Try "Bonding" - run a heavy wire or strap between the KX3 and the PX3 in parallel with the RX I/Q cable. The shield from old RG-8 coax works well. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 9/9/2016 10:12 AM, Larry Naumann wrote: >>>> I have just recently noticed that there is a continual spike that follows my cursor. It is internally generated. In CW mode it is away from my tuned signal by the amount of my CW side tone setting and can be switched to above or below the cursor depending on if I am in CW or CW-R. >>>> These spikes occur with no antenna connected and are S4 to S5 in strength depending on band. >>>> I did the Opposite Sideband Rejection adjustment but show no improvement. >>>> I think something is either set wrong or I have an issue. >>>> Any help or ideas are appreciated. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 13:44:39 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 11:44:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [KX3] 2017 ARRL Rocky Mtn Convention In-Reply-To: <4k7dgse4csravc85o6jvq046.1473442977058@email.android.com> References: <4k7dgse4csravc85o6jvq046.1473442977058@email.android.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "N7WY-BobR n7wy at rocketmail.com [KX3]" Date: Sep 9, 2016 11:43 Subject: [KX3] 2017 ARRL Rocky Mtn Convention To: Cc: Hi, The subject activity is May 27th in Cody, WY. One of the themes is operating outdoors, particularly while hiking or unconventional mobile; e.g., cycling. I am looking for possible ham presenters who reside in UT, WY, CO or NM, or nearby states and are passionate about operating away from the shack and their motor vehicle. RSVP, Bob Rennard, N7WY Cheyenne __._,_.___ ------------------------------ Posted by: N7WY-BobR ------------------------------ Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) ------------------------------ Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. ------------------------------ Visit Your Group - New Members 8 [image: Yahoo! Groups] ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From n0sa at att.net Fri Sep 9 14:20:04 2016 From: n0sa at att.net (Larry Naumann) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 13:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display In-Reply-To: <430lo452pelov19apuokmuoq.1473438266116@email.android.com> References: <430lo452pelov19apuokmuoq.1473438266116@email.android.com> Message-ID: <3F4C8116-FD97-432D-BFFF-C85C542D495B@att.net> I am pretty sure they are internally generated, plus they move with the cursor. They are mirrored above and below the cursor. I ran everything on batteries and took it for a walk outside. No change in signals. The S1-2 spikes aren't bad as band noise will mostly cover them, it is the S4 spikes that are concerning. No amount of OSN makes any difference as far as I can tell. No change while fiddling, moving or twisting cables either. Larry n0sa Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:24 AM, tomb18 wrote: > > Hi > Since you are finding that the peaks diminish when the cables are removed it would seem that the cables are picking up signals from your environment. > What happens if everything in your house is turned off except for the px3? > I know my p3 will show fixed peaks that don't change with tuning if I have certain other equipment on that is close to the px3. > If you find a culprit try putting ferrite on the cables. > 73 > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Larry Naumann > Date: 2016-09-09 11:31 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display > > Don > Thanks for the suggestion but that does not fix/improve the situation. > Looking at it further I also have spikes at roughly 23, 30 and 52Khz > above and below my cursor. The 52 Khz signal is at S4 the other two are > about S2. I can turn on the PX3 and look at the display with no antenna > connected and see these spikes on every band. If I disconnect the cables > to the KX3 the signals are still there but go down to S1 in strength. I > have even tried running both on separate battery supplies but the > problem is the same. The spikes are there even if I disconnect the I/Q > cable but the spikes are very small, as soon as the I/Q cable is plugged > in the spikes increase. > Larry > n0sa > On 9/9/2016 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Larry, > > > > I suspect hum, buzz, and noise pickup on the RX I/Q cable shield > > between the KX3 and the PX3. > > Try "Bonding" - run a heavy wire or strap between the KX3 and the PX3 > > in parallel with the RX I/Q cable. The shield from old RG-8 coax > > works well. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 9/9/2016 10:12 AM, Larry Naumann wrote: > >> I have just recently noticed that there is a continual spike that > >> follows my cursor. It is internally generated. In CW mode it is away > >> from my tuned signal by the amount of my CW side tone setting and can > >> be switched to above or below the cursor depending on if I am in CW > >> or CW-R. > >> These spikes occur with no antenna connected and are S4 to S5 in > >> strength depending on band. > >> I did the Opposite Sideband Rejection adjustment but show no > >> improvement. > >> I think something is either set wrong or I have an issue. > >> Any help or ideas are appreciated. > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From n0sa at att.net Fri Sep 9 15:30:04 2016 From: n0sa at att.net (Larry Naumann) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 14:30:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3: Possible problem with display In-Reply-To: <54EE957C-B4D3-4C14-950D-37AD7FE741CC@yahoo.co.uk> References: <0561da20-0f06-a0a2-b7ad-3fbc58d79ff0@embarqmail.com> <54EE957C-B4D3-4C14-950D-37AD7FE741CC@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <395e6de1-dc77-43dc-f8c2-f41dcd731eeb@att.net> David Thanks for all the info. Wayne seems to have explained it fairly well. I think there were a few contributing factors in my setup. I have a new and quite a bit quieter antenna, thus less noise to cover up the small spikes. I never had the NB on but I had the PRE AMP off on 20M. Most of the issues are now masked with more noise and higher gains. I redid the OSN settings one more time and things seem to look better. The whole issue started with 15M which I think needed the OSN to be trimmed up a bit. Now all looks to be good. It was a combination of me looking too close and one band needing a touchup OSN calibration. Larry n0sa From kb2m at arrl.net Fri Sep 9 18:16:03 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 18:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 control not working with DXLap or N1MM Message-ID: <031a01d20ae7$c13cb4f0$43b61ed0$@net> I just got back down here where the K3/0 is located. So Iain, your saying I should be able to talk to the K3/0 with the K3 utility at the control site? I just tried it and no, it doesn't see it on either of the two defined comports. I even brought a second USB cable to use between the laptop and K3/0. No Joy. This worked for over a year, and just stopped. No changes were made to any of the systems Jeff, can the K3 Utility talk to your K3/0-mini (when no other software is attempting to do so)? That will tell you if the problem is with the COM port plumbing or the DXLab Suite config. 73, ~iain / N6ML 73 Jeff kb2m From ar at dseven.org Fri Sep 9 19:07:37 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 16:07:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 control not working with DXLap or N1MM In-Reply-To: <031a01d20ae7$c13cb4f0$43b61ed0$@net> References: <031a01d20ae7$c13cb4f0$43b61ed0$@net> Message-ID: I don't actually have a K3/0-mini (I have the full-size K3/0), but I do believe that you should be able to connect to it with the K3 Utility - that's how you would update its firmware. It may be that something has failed inside he K3/0-mini ... or something software in Windows regarding COM ports. If you have access to another PC, you might try the K3 Utility there..... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > I just got back down here where the K3/0 is located. So Iain, your saying I > should be able to talk to the K3/0 with the K3 utility at the control site? > I just tried it and no, it doesn't see it on either of the two defined > comports. I even brought a second USB cable to use between the laptop and > K3/0. No Joy. > > This worked for over a year, and just stopped. No changes were made to any > of the systems > > > > Jeff, can the K3 Utility talk to your K3/0-mini (when no other > > software is attempting to do so)? That will tell you if the problem is > > with the COM port plumbing or the DXLab Suite config. > > > > 73, > > > > ~iain / N6ML > > > > > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From kb2m at arrl.net Fri Sep 9 19:15:12 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:15:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 control not working with DXLap or N1MM In-Reply-To: References: <031a01d20ae7$c13cb4f0$43b61ed0$@net> Message-ID: <033401d20af0$04e41150$0eac33f0$@net> I'm going to bring the control setup to the radio site when I head up there and work it out on the LAN. I'm starting to think the K3/0 is broke. Would anyone using the K3/0 with control s/w like to share their K3/0 config settings? Also maybe I'm having a senior moment, I do connect the K3/0 to my laptop not the RRC's USB port right? 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: dseven at dseven.org [mailto:dseven at dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain macdonnell - N6ML Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 7:08 PM To: Jeff Griffin Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 control not working with DXLap or N1MM I don't actually have a K3/0-mini (I have the full-size K3/0), but I do believe that you should be able to connect to it with the K3 Utility - that's how you would update its firmware. It may be that something has failed inside he K3/0-mini ... or something software in Windows regarding COM ports. If you have access to another PC, you might try the K3 Utility there..... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > I just got back down here where the K3/0 is located. So Iain, your > saying I should be able to talk to the K3/0 with the K3 utility at the control site? > I just tried it and no, it doesn't see it on either of the two defined > comports. I even brought a second USB cable to use between the laptop > and K3/0. No Joy. > > This worked for over a year, and just stopped. No changes were made to > any of the systems > > > > Jeff, can the K3 Utility talk to your K3/0-mini (when no other > > software is attempting to do so)? That will tell you if the problem is > > with the COM port plumbing or the DXLab Suite config. > > > > 73, > > > > ~iain / N6ML > > > > > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ar at dseven.org ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4649/12972 - Release Date: 09/08/16 From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Fri Sep 9 20:34:08 2016 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:34:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 control not working with DXLap or N1MM In-Reply-To: <033401d20af0$04e41150$0eac33f0$@net> References: <031a01d20ae7$c13cb4f0$43b61ed0$@net> <033401d20af0$04e41150$0eac33f0$@net> Message-ID: <114f01d20afb$0b5dee60$2219cb20$@austin.rr.com> Jeff, I can connect the the K3 at the remote transmit site or via local LAN - only difference is the "SIP CONTACT" address in "RADIO SETTINGS" on the RRC Control. I use DHCP for the control RRC when on the LAN. Can you connect to the RRC radio unit via a browser interface from either the remote location or over the local LAN? That is the first step. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Griffin Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 6:15 PM To: 'iain macdonnell - N6ML' Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 control not working with DXLap or N1MM I'm going to bring the control setup to the radio site when I head up there and work it out on the LAN. I'm starting to think the K3/0 is broke. Would anyone using the K3/0 with control s/w like to share their K3/0 config settings? Also maybe I'm having a senior moment, I do connect the K3/0 to my laptop not the RRC's USB port right? 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: dseven at dseven.org [mailto:dseven at dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain macdonnell - N6ML Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 7:08 PM To: Jeff Griffin Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 control not working with DXLap or N1MM I don't actually have a K3/0-mini (I have the full-size K3/0), but I do believe that you should be able to connect to it with the K3 Utility - that's how you would update its firmware. It may be that something has failed inside he K3/0-mini ... or something software in Windows regarding COM ports. If you have access to another PC, you might try the K3 Utility there..... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > I just got back down here where the K3/0 is located. So Iain, your > saying I should be able to talk to the K3/0 with the K3 utility at the control site? > I just tried it and no, it doesn't see it on either of the two defined > comports. I even brought a second USB cable to use between the laptop > and K3/0. No Joy. > > This worked for over a year, and just stopped. No changes were made to > any of the systems > > > > Jeff, can the K3 Utility talk to your K3/0-mini (when no other > > software is attempting to do so)? That will tell you if the problem is > > with the COM port plumbing or the DXLab Suite config. > > > > 73, > > > > ~iain / N6ML > > > > > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ar at dseven.org ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4649/12972 - Release Date: 09/08/16 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com From scuba9829 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 20:55:52 2016 From: scuba9829 at yahoo.com (Grady Harper) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 20:55:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dx Commander Settings for K3s Message-ID: <1071E836-B0B7-4A98-AFE2-BC47890291C2@yahoo.com> What are the Baud Word Parity Stop DTR RTS Settings for the K3s AJ4YA Grady Thanks Sent from my iPad From classe.bergman at telia.com Sat Sep 10 04:16:41 2016 From: classe.bergman at telia.com (Classe Bergman) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 10:16:41 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Monitor audio lost on Line Out after upgrade of FW release in my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just loaded FW 5.53 and now the Line Out audio is back. Thanks Wayne for sending me the field-test FW. 73 Classe 2016-09-08 17:34 GMT+02:00 Classe Bergman : > Hi, > Today I upgraded my K3 with new FW, I was using 5.38/2.86 and I installed > 5.50/2.87 > I then discovered that the CW Monitor audio was lost on Lin Out. First I > tought that some settings was messed up but could not find anything. I > then downgraded my K3 to 5.38/2.86 and the CW Monitor audio was back ! I > found that if I change settings from LIN OUT = "Nor"as I normaly use to > "=Phones", the CW Monitor audio comes back. So something have changed the > function of Line Out audio in the new FW release. > Since all audio levels follows the Front AF vol when using "=Phones" > this mess up levels to my soundcard in the PC. My K3 s/n 1464 have the old > KIO board without USB interface > > Is this a known bug ( or maybe a feature ..) ? > > 73 Classe SM3GSK > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Sep 10 09:39:25 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:39:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Monitor audio lost on Line Out after upgrade of FW release in my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yet another example of the best product support in the world of amateur radio! Bill W2BLC K-Line From sashangus at yahoo.com Sat Sep 10 11:03:03 2016 From: sashangus at yahoo.com (sashangus at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX1 (4 band, tuner, paddle + case) Message-ID: <8472C7CB-D0F4-40AB-9C17-C6A20D8A22AD@yahoo.com> Four-band KX1 (80, 40, 30, 20 meters), including AT module and KXPD1 paddle, $400 shipped (CONUS). Built by me except for the 80/30 module (built by Don, W3FPR; will include paperwork); lightly used, in pristine shape (can provide pictures if interested). Includes all manuals & a Pelican 1060 case. Will be well-packed and insured. Bob Brown, N1CVX From dmb at lightstream.net Sat Sep 10 12:25:09 2016 From: dmb at lightstream.net (Dale Boresz) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Dx Commander Settings for K3s In-Reply-To: <1071E836-B0B7-4A98-AFE2-BC47890291C2@yahoo.com> References: <1071E836-B0B7-4A98-AFE2-BC47890291C2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56238.71.66.117.220.1473524709.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Hello Grady, The settings that I use for my K3 are as follows: Baud: 38400 Word: 8 Parity: None Stop: 2 DTR: Off RTS: Off 73, Dale WA8SRA > What are the > Baud > Word > Parity > Stop > DTR > RTS > Settings for the K3s > > AJ4YA > Grady > > Thanks > > Sent from my iPad From ar at dseven.org Sat Sep 10 12:27:41 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:27:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dx Commander Settings for K3s In-Reply-To: <1071E836-B0B7-4A98-AFE2-BC47890291C2@yahoo.com> References: <1071E836-B0B7-4A98-AFE2-BC47890291C2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Grady Harper via Elecraft wrote: > What are the > Baud > Word > Parity > Stop > DTR > RTS > Settings for the K3s Per the K3[S] Owner's Manual, 8 data bits (word length), no parity and 1 stop bit (but the stop bit setting is probably not really critical). The baud rate should be set to match the K3's CONFIG:RS232 setting. RTS and DTR should be set to "Off". 73, ~iain / N6ML From petebarth at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 15:43:02 2016 From: petebarth at gmail.com (Pete Barth) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:43:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: [OT] Mobile/Portable/ gray zone Message-ID: In my younger days when operating CW with paddle on handlebar, from my BMW cycle with IC706 and screwdriver ant,/ and cruse control I signed W6LAW/MM. (I wanted to put my K2 under the windshield but never did it.) -- Pete / ??? / W6LAW From glen.torr at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 18:49:19 2016 From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:49:19 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Dreaming Message-ID: Hi All, KX2 is my all time favourite rig so what is the dream? KX2 V/U, a 28 - 32 KX2, 1 mW out into a 6, 2 and .7 transverter set. 3 SMA antenna sockets. 2 Lower transverters exist for the KX3 (Assuming the 70 mHz is convertible to 50 MHz). Only a 70 cm 3 watt transverter needs to be developed. No antenna tuner needed. Imagine it on the mountains! (With the KX2 of course, common accessories). Yours in dreaming, Glen VK1FB From john at eeek.org.uk Sat Sep 10 19:08:24 2016 From: john at eeek.org.uk (John) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 00:08:24 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: [OT] Mobile/Portable/ gray zone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004e01d20bb8$3b71d6d0$b2558470$@eeek.org.uk> Interesting, Pete... These days the '/MM' suffix is designated as 'Maritime Mobile', certainly in the UK... I wonder whether the same confusion occurred in the US that we could expect if we signed as that over here? John (XLX) -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Pete Barth Sent: 10 September 2016 20:43 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: [OT] Mobile/Portable/ gray zone In my younger days when operating CW with paddle on handlebar, from my BMW cycle with IC706 and screwdriver ant,/ and cruse control I signed W6LAW/MM. (I wanted to put my K2 under the windshield but never did it.) -- Pete / ??? / W6LAW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to john at eeek.org.uk From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Sat Sep 10 19:35:08 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:35:08 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS list - cleaning shack Message-ID: Good Afternoon Gang, Cleaning up the shack and storage, so stuff must go... add shipping to all prices, as always offers and trades considered. Items I'm looking for include KX2, Wide-band RX (e.g. AOR 8200, R20, DJ-X2000) More stuff later. Niel WA7SSA FT-100 $240 ( i have two...) V/UHF intermittent, HF ok ? Have not been powered on in 5 yrs or more. I can power on and check out if buyer is interested. I got them both, intending to make one great FT-100, best laid plans of mice and hams... I've never gotten around to this project. HW-16 w/ HG-10 VFO $165 was a gift, but have never powered them up. reported to be working, but anticipate a vintage rebuild LP-1403 tactical VHF-lo LPA $225 US Antennas 30-88Mhz, 8 element LPA, Vert / Horz polarization with 18 ft mast. ship weight 45# Icom R-1500 $425 mint condition mobile / base scanner. .1 - 3300 Mhz I would also like to obtain (trade or purchase) a wide-band handheld scanner, per above. Open to discussion if someone has such a handheld and would prefer the mobile/base format. HP-8921B Service Monitor $750 Very nice service monitor to 1000Mhz, has worked for years. Includes spectrum analyzer and tracking generator. Last year the power supply hiccuped and died. I rebuilt the PS with replacement electrolytic caps and it functioned for a few days, then quit again. I took short cuts and did not replace a few of the caps because they were epoxied in place, and thats what I suspect, but that is NOT confirmed. Still running $3k-$4k used online. Shipping weight will be about 50#. HP-83236B Range Extender $150 Range extender for 8921B Service Monitor, extends range to cover 1.7 -2.0 Ghz. Worked when last used, more likely a source of a bunch of good microwave components. HP-83203B CDMA Cell Test Adapter $50 Adds CDMA Cell base station signalling and test to the 8921B. 80m Warbler $25 80m PSK31 transceiver. NJ QRP kit, assembled. Havent powered in years, performance unknown IC-28H $35 Condition unknown, hand me down that I never got around to... Yaesu FIF-232 CAT interface $20 RS-232-CAT interface worked last time i needed it - 15 yrs ago... IFR Nav-400 $75 Navigation / Receiver test set. Parts only. nice rotary attenuator, some misc internal RF parts, but not operational From hotrod541 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 20:12:18 2016 From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (Louis Ives) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to all Message-ID: I would like to thank everybody that responded to my questions about upgrading my K-3. All of the upgrades went without a problem, due in large part to the advise given. Everything works but I have a strange working K103B. The only way it will connect to the K3 utility page is to connect my old KUSB cable to the cable that came with the K103B, (con3) and connecting to the RS232/P3 port. The new USB cable (con4) will not work no matter what I do. The configure menus shows that the K103B is being recognized. I set it to NOR, but I see that it can be set to HF-TRN or TRN also. I hope that I have it set correctly. I checked my computer and it is listing port 4 as working correctly and is recognizing the new USB cable. I have also found that to connect to the K3 utility the K3 must be powered up. The manual stated that it should connect to the utility regardless if it is powered up or off. Any advise on this would be appreciated. PSent from my iPad From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Sep 10 20:15:35 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:15:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: [OT] Mobile/Portable/ gray zone In-Reply-To: <004e01d20bb8$3b71d6d0$b2558470$@eeek.org.uk> References: <004e01d20bb8$3b71d6d0$b2558470$@eeek.org.uk> Message-ID: <6bb51641-209b-4fbe-ff29-cd2dafef96fb@foothill.net> In the US, the indicator "/MM", while not compliant with the rules [UK owns all the M's, including the MM's] is taken to mean Maritime Mobile also. It is also taken to me afloat in International waters. Our rules are pretty much out of date. Except for a US ham operating reciprocally in Canada, the convention is to precede your call sign with the primary prefix of the country you're in separated from the call with a slash. Well ... except in the UK, where the primary prefix is G with several other letters such as GW for Wales, but the CEPT rules say prefix with M. I wonder how Pete got the Lao/Thai characters into an email? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/10/2016 4:08 PM, John wrote: > Interesting, Pete... These days the '/MM' suffix is designated as > 'Maritime Mobile', certainly in the UK... > > I wonder whether the same confusion occurred in the US that we could > expect if we signed as that over here? > > John (XLX) > > -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Pete Barth > Sent: 10 September 2016 20:43 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: > [Elecraft] Subject: Re: [OT] Mobile/Portable/ gray zone > > In my younger days when operating CW with paddle on handlebar, from > my BMW cycle with IC706 and screwdriver ant,/ and cruse control I > signed W6LAW/MM. (I wanted to put my K2 under the windshield but > never did it.) -- Pete / ??? / W6LAW From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Sep 10 22:07:57 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 22:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Build or Buy In-Reply-To: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> References: <0E296369-DEC8-442A-A05E-A892CB9DF44A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57D4BC7D.19795.D2FE7EF@Gary.ka1j.com> Build, VS buy... If you have the temperment to build, it is a wonderful way to get to know how your radio is assembled and it will give you an idea how to work on it if in the future, the need should arise. I built my K3, I did buy the factory built K3s but only because I built the K3 earlier. Had I not done the earlier build I would certainly bought the K3s Kit. It reminds me of an Erector set, if you remember those, its a great way to make something grand out of parts. 73, Gary A1J > I?m considering the purchase of a K3S and was wondering what are the pros and cons of building versus buying a factory radio. Is building worth the $200 in savings? > > Bill > > W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com From kevinr at coho.net Sat Sep 10 22:40:17 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:40:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <9f982311-6621-80cc-92e3-a0ddf2b7d95d@coho.net> Please join us tomorrow on: Good Evening, Propagation has been poor to downright awful this week. I hope for improvement. With the sun setting earlier each night at least the lower bands are opening. Space Weather reports 91 as their solar flux index with a sunspot number of 66. Some auroras so we know there is an incoming wind though it does cause noise like a sand storm. Over many years of empirical studies I have found chunks of wood split more easily if stood in the direction they stood in their tree. If you flip the round over and try from the other side it is easy to lodge the wedge so tightly you need another one to get it loose. Does anyone know why? I have thought about it while splitting my wood so I can optimize my laziness. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Sep 10 23:44:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 23:44:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39631320-2974-54a9-f3d5-2d22b5902ffb@embarqmail.com> Louis, Do you have the menu RS-232 set to USB? It should be to use the USB connection - see page 63 of the K3S manual. HF-TRN and TRN refer only to the band encoding - see page 21 of the K3S manual. The computer may recognize the K3 USB to serial converter with power off the K3, but there is not much that can be done unless the K3S is powered. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/10/2016 8:12 PM, Louis Ives wrote: > I would like to thank everybody that responded to my questions about upgrading my K-3. All of the upgrades went without a problem, due in large part to the advise given. Everything works but I have a strange working K103B. The only way it will connect to the K3 utility page is to connect my old KUSB cable to the cable that came with the K103B, (con3) and connecting to the RS232/P3 port. The new USB cable (con4) will not work no matter what I do. The configure menus shows that the K103B is being recognized. I set it to NOR, but I see that it can be set to HF-TRN or TRN also. I hope that I have it set correctly. I checked my computer and it is listing port 4 as working correctly and is recognizing the new USB cable. I have also found that to connect to the K3 utility the K3 must be powered up. The manual stated that it should connect to the utility regardless if it is powered up or off. Any advise on this would be appreciated. > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Sep 10 23:15:35 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 23:15:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75C64B3D-DA73-48D6-BB99-C4F3379EF18C@widomaker.com> What baud rate is K3 set to? Should be USB if using the USB to USB cable. I don't think the computer will connect to the radio if radio is not ON. You do not use a KUSB with the KIO3B upgrade. You should also get the new P3 "Y" cable to connect the P3 to the K3. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Louis Ives wrote: > > I would like to thank everybody that responded to my questions about upgrading my K-3. All of the upgrades went without a problem, due in large part to the advise given. Everything works but I have a strange working K103B. The only way it will connect to the K3 utility page is to connect my old KUSB cable to the cable that came with the K103B, (con3) and connecting to the RS232/P3 port. The new USB cable (con4) will not work no matter what I do. The configure menus shows that the K103B is being recognized. I set it to NOR, but I see that it can be set to HF-TRN or TRN also. I hope that I have it set correctly. I checked my computer and it is listing port 4 as working correctly and is recognizing the new USB cable. I have also found that to connect to the K3 utility the K3 must be powered up. The manual stated that it should connect to the utility regardless if it is powered up or off. Any advise on this would be appreciated. > > PSent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From dhblake at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 07:56:16 2016 From: dhblake at yahoo.com (David Blake) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Issue References: <673504038.2322073.1473594976375.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <673504038.2322073.1473594976375@mail.yahoo.com> I have a K3s #10113 that was involved in a lightening strike and just returnedfrom Elecraft after repair and upgrades. My KIO3B was destroyed "beyondeconomic repair" and a trace was burned and repaired on the RF board.? Ihad the general coverage module add as well as the 8 - 10W 2 meter xvtr. All looked and functioned well until I attached an amp. I have a couple of ampsboth had worked well with this K3s prior to lightening and were not involved inthe lightening incident. When I connect the amp from the K3s "KEY OUT" jack to the "RELAY JACK" on inthis case an Ameritron AL80A the red TX lamp on the K3s comes on. I've looked through everything in the manual looking for a menu item that I mighthave wrong but can't find a thing.? Additionally I called a friend who has owned ahalf dozen or more K3 and K3s transceivers and he has never seen this. I'm not very technical, but at age 75 had little trouble assembling the K3s from kit. I would hate to have to send my beloved K3s back to Elecraft again, especiallyat $100 shipping round trip! Thanks? --? 73Dave -N4DB- From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 11 08:13:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:13:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Issue In-Reply-To: <673504038.2322073.1473594976375@mail.yahoo.com> References: <673504038.2322073.1473594976375.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <673504038.2322073.1473594976375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <336da87b-6e6c-82c4-de0a-6964bdac1b34@embarqmail.com> Dave, There are no menu items - KEYOUT should "simply work". Make certain it is not the cable - put your ohmmeter in the KEYOUT jack. During receive it should show an open circuit. During transmit is should be close to zero ohms. If that is how it behaves, the K3 is working properly. Unfortunately, there is an unpredictability with lightning strike damage. Devices (ICs, transistors, etc) may work when tested and then fail shortly afterwards. That is something impossible to diagnose. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/11/2016 7:56 AM, David Blake via Elecraft wrote: > I have a K3s #10113 that was involved in a lightening strike and just returnedfrom Elecraft after repair and upgrades. My KIO3B was destroyed "beyondeconomic repair" and a trace was burned and repaired on the RF board. Ihad the general coverage module add as well as the 8 - 10W 2 meter xvtr. > All looked and functioned well until I attached an amp. I have a couple of ampsboth had worked well with this K3s prior to lightening and were not involved inthe lightening incident. > When I connect the amp from the K3s "KEY OUT" jack to the "RELAY JACK" on inthis case an Ameritron AL80A the red TX lamp on the K3s comes on. > I've looked through everything in the manual looking for a menu item that I mighthave wrong but can't find a thing. Additionally I called a friend who has owned ahalf dozen or more K3 and K3s transceivers and he has never seen this. > I'm not very technical, but at age 75 had little trouble assembling the K3s from kit. > I would hate to have to send my beloved K3s back to Elecraft again, especiallyat $100 shipping round trip! > From w0agmike at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 11:52:13 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked Message-ID: I was in the process of updating my K3's firmware this morning when something apparently burped leaving the K3 bricked. The radio is wired directly to a power supply which also feeds a RigRunner for other stuff. At the time I was also using a small 12V air compressor on the RigRunner. I don't think it was involved, but can't say for sure. The TX light is flashing, the display shows "MCU LD" and power button won't power it down. I've tried forcing a firmware download several times, explicitly following the instructions in the K3 manual without success. The K3 Utility program can't find the rig on the prior COM port being used, nor on any other available COM port, so I suspect that's a major clue. True COM ports are not available on the PC so I'm using a StarTech 4 port USB converter that utilizes the FTDI chips. Anyone have any ideas I can try??? Mike - W0AG From k2cm.george at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 12:14:54 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82B99150-B08E-4744-8E2C-55958FE57FF3@gmail.com> Have you removed power, waited 2 minutes, then restored power? Sent from my iPad > On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Mike Murray wrote: > > I was in the process of updating my K3's firmware this morning when > something apparently burped leaving the K3 bricked. The radio is wired > directly to a power supply which also feeds a RigRunner for other stuff. > At the time I was also using a small 12V air compressor on the RigRunner. > I don't think it was involved, but can't say for sure. > > The TX light is flashing, the display shows "MCU LD" and power button won't > power it down. I've tried forcing a firmware download several times, > explicitly following the instructions in the K3 manual without success. > The K3 Utility program can't find the rig on the prior COM port being used, > nor on any other available COM port, so I suspect that's a major clue. > True COM ports are not available on the PC so I'm using a StarTech 4 port > USB converter that utilizes the FTDI chips. > > Anyone have any ideas I can try??? > > Mike - W0AG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From w4sc at windstream.net Sun Sep 11 12:27:00 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:27:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 QSK working.?? Message-ID: <3940130F6F2D457DA1DCD539DB62BECD@z22z28> FW 2.38 KX3 QSK not working. Yes it took a while for me to discover this, but now am retired and have mucho time to play radio. There was an ?experimental? QSK released a few f/w revs back for the KX3. But appears there is NO QSK for f/w 2.38 (delay == 0). Anyone comment on this. Haven?t used QSK much, as I never could adjust to the RX ?noise? between characters!! Then I bought KX2, and the QSK is smooth as silk!!! The bar is set high for KX3 on this point. Ben W4SC From jimmy.walker at outlook.com Sun Sep 11 12:42:45 2016 From: jimmy.walker at outlook.com (James Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:42:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same problem with my K-3 from time to time. It?s a major inconvenience but it?s not fatal. I?ve tried a couple of times to get help from this forum but no one seems to have a good answer. My best theory is that there is a defect with the firmware chip. It?s not a widespread defect, so my theory goes, since most K-3 users don?t suffer from the problem. I?m sure Elecraft would replace the chip but I can?t be sure that?s actually the problem. So I just live with it. All you have to do is turn everything off including the computer. To turn off the the K-3 you have to remove the power connection. Next, turn on the computer. After the computer boots up, connect the power to the K-3 and turn it on. You will see the same MCU LD message and blinking transmit light, but the computer utility program should be able to find the K-3 and reload the firmware. Lastly, and sadly, if my experience is any guide, you?ll have the problem again from time to time. Jimmy Walker WA4ILO Macon, GA > On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Mike Murray wrote: > > I was in the process of updating my K3's firmware this morning when > something apparently burped leaving the K3 bricked. The radio is wired > directly to a power supply which also feeds a RigRunner for other stuff. > At the time I was also using a small 12V air compressor on the RigRunner. > I don't think it was involved, but can't say for sure. > > The TX light is flashing, the display shows "MCU LD" and power button won't > power it down. I've tried forcing a firmware download several times, > explicitly following the instructions in the K3 manual without success. > The K3 Utility program can't find the rig on the prior COM port being used, > nor on any other available COM port, so I suspect that's a major clue. > True COM ports are not available on the PC so I'm using a StarTech 4 port > USB converter that utilizes the FTDI chips. > > Anyone have any ideas I can try??? > > Mike - W0AG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimmy.walker at outlook.com From no9e at arrl.net Sun Sep 11 13:12:34 2016 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:12:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Did anybody test any universal USB / 12V lithium battery pack for KX3? Message-ID: <1473613954784-7622349.post@n2.nabble.com> Did anybody test any any USB/12V+ battery pack in KX3 or KX2? I have a USB / 12V/8.3Ah model: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01337QXMA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Seems to be 3S3 with 11.8V peak, not bad but a bit too little for 10W operation. There are types with adjustable voltage like: https://www.amazon.com/Poweradd-23000mAh-Multi-Voltage-Portable-Notebooks/dp/B015OAJFOC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=NBT8GMPAMS3QZBC6AKWY but if voltages are converted by switching then it can be quite noisy. Traditionally I use 4S2 devices from batteryspace.com but they are getting pricey and don't double as USB chargers. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Did-anybody-test-any-universal-USB-12V-lithium-battery-pack-for-KX3-tp7622349.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From fcady at montana.edu Sun Sep 11 13:13:05 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:13:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 books by KE7X Available Message-ID: I'm pleased to announce two books dedicated to the KX2 are now available in PDF format from www.lulu.com and from www.ke7x.com. Printed, coil bound copies will be available from www.elecraft.com in the near future. "The Elecraft KX2 -- Ultra-Portable, Handheld, HF Rig" This 6" x 9" spiral bound hard copy is designed to go on the road or to the summit with you. It fits nicely into Rose's KX2 case. It contains all KX2 information needed for portable and home base operation. This handy, portable book has a brief explanation for including the KXPA100 amplifier and the KXAT100 antenna tuner but users may want to purchase The KX2 Companion's Guide to the KXPA100 and KXAT100 for additional explanations on how the amplifier and tuner work. "The KX2 Companion's Guide to the KXPA100 and KXAT100" To add some more firepower to your 10-watt KX2, you may want to add the 100-watt KXPA100 amplifier and KXAT100 antenna tuner. This guide explains in much more detail the operation of the amplifier and tuner than The Elecraft KX2 -- Ultra-Portable, Handheld, HF Rig does. Here you will find a complete explanation of why you should run the tuner in Manual mode instead of Auto. The features of the KXPA Utility program are covered also. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com From w0agmike at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 13:15:48 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions so far - tried each several times but the K3 is still toast..... On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote: > Try a full power off shutdown of the computer. If a desktop, pull the > power cord for 30 seconds to completely discharge the motherboard (pull the > battery from a laptop). > Spell Czech happens > > > Have you removed power, waited 2 minutes, then restored power? All you have to do is turn everything off including the computer. To turn off the the K-3 you have to remove the power connection. Next, turn on the computer. After the computer boots up, connect the power to the K-3 and turn it on. You will see the same MCU LD message and blinking transmit light, but the computer utility program should be able to find the K-3 and reload the firmware. From larrydwarner at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 13:15:43 2016 From: larrydwarner at gmail.com (Larry D. Warner) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:15:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request In-Reply-To: <11087a27-9ed1-d34e-3931-aa7b2b220cfe@embarqmail.com> References: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> <97a88ebc-26d6-a443-7d1e-82c9d484a4b0@embarqmail.com> <18f001d2094d$33dd2b30$9b978190$@gmail.com> <11087a27-9ed1-d34e-3931-aa7b2b220cfe@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <01d001d20c50$212deaa0$6389bfe0$@gmail.com> I just got my license in December and am learning. Part of my learning process is to change things on the KX3 and see how it responds or what is better/worse than before the change. Sometimes I get lost in a menu or forget what the prior setting was. I grew up in the electronic test equipment world working for Fluke 30 years in sales. Many of the instruments we sold had memory that stored all the current settings of the instrument. Useful for rapidly going to a new setup or getting back to where you started if you didn't remember how you got there. I want the KX3 to have this feature. I would use it and maybe other newbies. It would sure make operation easier. Not sure I will be a serious operator while portable. Right now I'm just having fun learning about what I can do and what is going on in the world of amateur radio. I don't know code yet and my not learn it. Computer operation seems fun but then one needs a computer along all the time. Regards, Larry KG7ZSB You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:27 PM To: Larry D. Warner ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request Larry, I don't know what "configurations" you may need, but for the most part, once set up there is little need to go into the menu and make changes. Several menu settings are per mode and others are per band. All those are remembered internally and there is no need for a computer to change them - just operate. If you are doing 'serious operating' while portable, such as contesting, then in all likelihood you would have a computer running in conjunction with the radio. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/7/2016 5:17 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > Don, > > This is better than nothing but I don't always have my computer with > me when in portable operation. I would prefer the configurations be > stored internally so I can recall them from the front panel. Just > like I can now do with frequency storage memory. > > Regards, > > Larry > KG7ZSB > > You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who > will never be able to repay you. > -- John Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:37 PM > To: Larry D. Warner ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request > > Larry, > > The 'setup' for SSB, Data modes, CW, AM and FM are already remembered > by the KX3. In addition, you can use KX3 Utility to Save the KX3 > Configuration to your computer. In case you mess up the settings and > cannot easily recover, > KX3 Utility will restore your configuration easily. > > Bottom line, I think what you are requesting is already included, but > in a slightly different manner than what you envision. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/5/2016 9:21 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: >> Not sure if anyone else wants this but I will ask. There are many >> settings in the KX3 and sometimes I get one wrong then can't figure >> out what it should be or maybe even can't figure out what I set >> improperly. It would be really great if I could save every setting >> in the KX3 as a setup file in the KX3. It would be even nicer if I >> could save multiple setups. I could have one for my favorite PSK31 >> setup and another for SSB operation. Each setup would store all the >> settings in the KX3 so when I recall it I don't need to set anything >> else. As a new HAM I already have a lot to remember and this would >> help > me with my memory overload. >> > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 11 13:18:17 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9f722273-2420-30b6-15b6-a0a8ffd6f633@embarqmail.com> Mike, Remove the K3 power cord and wait at least 2 minutes. While waiting, reboot the computer and after it comes up, power on the K3. Check to see if K3 Utility can find the K3. Try the Force Firmware Download again. If that still does not work, disconnect everything except the RS-232 cable from the K3 and try the sequence again. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/11/2016 11:52 AM, Mike Murray wrote: > I was in the process of updating my K3's firmware this morning when > something apparently burped leaving the K3 bricked. The radio is wired > directly to a power supply which also feeds a RigRunner for other stuff. > At the time I was also using a small 12V air compressor on the RigRunner. > I don't think it was involved, but can't say for sure. > > The TX light is flashing, the display shows "MCU LD" and power button won't > power it down. I've tried forcing a firmware download several times, > explicitly following the instructions in the K3 manual without success. > The K3 Utility program can't find the rig on the prior COM port being used, > nor on any other available COM port, so I suspect that's a major clue. > True COM ports are not available on the PC so I'm using a StarTech 4 port > USB converter that utilizes the FTDI chips. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 11 13:21:45 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:21:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 QSK working.?? In-Reply-To: <3940130F6F2D457DA1DCD539DB62BECD@z22z28> References: <3940130F6F2D457DA1DCD539DB62BECD@z22z28> Message-ID: Ben, Do you have VOX turned on? It is necessary for QSK. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/11/2016 12:27 PM, w4sc wrote: > FW 2.38 > > KX3 QSK not working. Yes it took a while for me to discover this, but now am retired and have mucho time to play radio. > > There was an ?experimental? QSK released a few f/w revs back for the KX3. But appears there is NO QSK for f/w 2.38 (delay == 0). Anyone comment on this. > > From jimmy.walker at outlook.com Sun Sep 11 13:25:15 2016 From: jimmy.walker at outlook.com (James Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:25:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have a P-3? If so, you might need to reconnect the RS232 directly to the K-3 rather than the P-3 before starting the process. Jimmy Walker WA4ILO Macon, GA > On Sep 11, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions so far - tried each several times but the K3 is > still toast..... > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) > wrote: > >> Try a full power off shutdown of the computer. If a desktop, pull the >> power cord for 30 seconds to completely discharge the motherboard (pull the >> battery from a laptop). >> Spell Czech happens >> >> >> Have you removed power, waited 2 minutes, then restored power? > > All you have to do is turn everything off including the computer. To turn > off the the K-3 you have to remove the power connection. Next, turn on the > computer. After the computer boots up, connect the power to the K-3 and > turn it on. You will see the same MCU LD message and blinking transmit > light, but the computer utility program should be able to find the K-3 and > reload the firmware. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimmy.walker at outlook.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 11 13:40:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:40:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request In-Reply-To: <01d001d20c50$212deaa0$6389bfe0$@gmail.com> References: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> <97a88ebc-26d6-a443-7d1e-82c9d484a4b0@embarqmail.com> <18f001d2094d$33dd2b30$9b978190$@gmail.com> <11087a27-9ed1-d34e-3931-aa7b2b220cfe@embarqmail.com> <01d001d20c50$212deaa0$6389bfe0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e12726c-5d2d-f59a-bd37-8eda5af54ef4@embarqmail.com> Larry, It is not exactly what you are asking for, but you can see what the default setting is for most menu entries - hold the MENU button for 3 seconds to bring up the Menu Help in the VFO B area. The default settings are in parentheses. See Menu Help Information in the KX3 manual. If you get totally lost in the menu experiments, restoring to the default gives you a fresh starting point. Before experimenting with changes, it is always a good idea to save the KX3 Configuration using KX3 Utility. You can always restore the configuration file created before you began the experiments - of course, that does not work if you are experimenting in the field with no computer available. If you will be dealing with multiple computers, it is a good idea to save the configuration file on a memory stick instead of the default location on you computer hard drive. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/11/2016 1:15 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > I just got my license in December and am learning. Part of my learning > process is to change things on the KX3 and see how it responds or what is > better/worse than before the change. Sometimes I get lost in a menu or > forget what the prior setting was. > > I grew up in the electronic test equipment world working for Fluke 30 years > in sales. Many of the instruments we sold had memory that stored all the > current settings of the instrument. Useful for rapidly going to a new setup > or getting back to where you started if you didn't remember how you got > there. > From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Sep 11 13:49:39 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f230897-e7e5-bbb8-b14e-fef5b18268f7@ac0h.net> On 9/10/2016 7:12 PM, Louis Ives wrote: > I have also found that to connect to the K3 utility the K3 must be powered up. Yes, just like any other application using RS232/USB to communicate with the rig. > The manual stated that it should connect to the utility regardless if it is powered up or off. Any advise on this would be appreciated. > If that is in the manual...the manual needs fixing. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kk5f at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 14:23:41 2016 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:23:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 books by KE7X Available Message-ID: <14487548.1473618222264.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Fred wrote: > I'm pleased to announce two books dedicated to the KX2 are now available > in PDF format from www.lulu.com and from > www.ke7x.com. Printed, coil bound copies will be > available from www.elecraft.com in the near future. Were I you, I would have cited **valid** and **complete** URLs like: http://www.lulu.com/shop/fred-cady-ke7x/the-elecraft-kx2-pdf-version/ebook/product-22848375.html and http://www.lulu.com/shop/fred-cady-ke7x/the-kx2-companions-guide-to-the-kxpa100-and-kxat100-pdf-version/ebook/product-22804291.html and http://www.elecraft.com and http://www.ke7x.com Just sayin'. Mike / KK5F From lew at n6lew.us Sun Sep 11 14:38:35 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 books by KE7X Available In-Reply-To: <14487548.1473618222264.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14487548.1473618222264.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: From urban dictionary.com (full URL http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=just%20sayin' ) "a term coined to be used at the end of something insulting or offensive to take the heat off you when you say it.? Just saying. Lew N6LEW > On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: > > Just sayin'. Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From dick at elecraft.com Sun Sep 11 14:49:15 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:49:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01d20c5d$3240b900$96c22b00$@elecraft.com> There is a fairly detailed procedure in K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Boot Loader. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Murray Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 08:52 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked I was in the process of updating my K3's firmware this morning when something apparently burped leaving the K3 bricked. The radio is wired directly to a power supply which also feeds a RigRunner for other stuff. At the time I was also using a small 12V air compressor on the RigRunner. I don't think it was involved, but can't say for sure. The TX light is flashing, the display shows "MCU LD" and power button won't power it down. I've tried forcing a firmware download several times, explicitly following the instructions in the K3 manual without success. The K3 Utility program can't find the rig on the prior COM port being used, nor on any other available COM port, so I suspect that's a major clue. True COM ports are not available on the PC so I'm using a StarTech 4 port USB converter that utilizes the FTDI chips. Anyone have any ideas I can try??? Mike - W0AG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From kk1w.jim at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 15:13:01 2016 From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS list - cleaning shack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1473621181526-7622361.post@n2.nabble.com> Neil, Very interested in the FT100's for a young ham friend. He has one, also with issues, and maybe can make a good one out of three? Are they "D" models? Thanks! Jim/KK1W -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-list-cleaning-shack-tp7622336p7622361.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at sailidaho.com Sun Sep 11 15:57:22 2016 From: jim at sailidaho.com (Jim Larson) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:57:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3 Question Message-ID: The KDVR3 has the ability to capture the last 90 seconds of received audio. ?Is there is a way of exporting this audio to the PC? ?I was hoping to find that capability in the K3 Utility, but didn?t see anything there. ?I could capture it off of the headphone jack, running it through a audio to digital converter, but that seems like the long way around. Thanks for any ideas. Jim - KK7A From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Sep 11 16:01:52 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:01:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 books by KE7X Available In-Reply-To: References: <14487548.1473618222264.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Is that the valid and complete URL, or do I need to spend valuable operating time correcting URL's that actually work? Just sayin. On 9/11/2016 1:38 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > From urban dictionary.com (full URL http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=just%20sayin' ) > > "a term coined to be used at the end of something insulting or offensive to take the heat off you when you say it.? > > Just saying. > > Lew N6LEW > >> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: >> >> Just sayin'. > Lew Phelps N6LEW > Pasadena, CA DM04wd > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 > Yaesu FT-7800 > Lew at N6LEW.US > www.n6lew.us > > Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Sep 11 16:02:45 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request In-Reply-To: <01d001d20c50$212deaa0$6389bfe0$@gmail.com> References: <155e01d207dd$02c44630$084cd290$@gmail.com> <97a88ebc-26d6-a443-7d1e-82c9d484a4b0@embarqmail.com> <18f001d2094d$33dd2b30$9b978190$@gmail.com> <11087a27-9ed1-d34e-3931-aa7b2b220cfe@embarqmail.com> <01d001d20c50$212deaa0$6389bfe0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C47A219-06AB-4C37-BF50-F0466E58B8A2@widomaker.com> Just use the Utility Save/Restore Configuration process. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 11, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > > I just got my license in December and am learning. Part of my learning > process is to change things on the KX3 and see how it responds or what is > better/worse than before the change. Sometimes I get lost in a menu or > forget what the prior setting was. > > I grew up in the electronic test equipment world working for Fluke 30 years > in sales. Many of the instruments we sold had memory that stored all the > current settings of the instrument. Useful for rapidly going to a new setup > or getting back to where you started if you didn't remember how you got > there. > > I want the KX3 to have this feature. I would use it and maybe other > newbies. It would sure make operation easier. > > Not sure I will be a serious operator while portable. Right now I'm just > having fun learning about what I can do and what is going on in the world of > amateur radio. I don't know code yet and my not learn it. Computer > operation seems fun but then one needs a computer along all the time. > > Regards, > > Larry > KG7ZSB > > You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will > never be able to repay you. > -- John Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:27 PM > To: Larry D. Warner ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Software Request > > Larry, > > I don't know what "configurations" you may need, but for the most part, once > set up there is little need to go into the menu and make changes. > Several menu settings are per mode and others are per band. All those are > remembered internally and there is no need for a computer to change them - From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Sep 11 16:08:32 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:08:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3 Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, that's the shortest route. But I'd use Line Out instead of Headphone jack. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 11, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Jim Larson wrote: > > The KDVR3 has the ability to capture the last 90 seconds of received audio. Is there is a way of exporting this audio to the PC? I was hoping to find that capability in the K3 Utility, but didn?t see anything there. I could capture it off of the headphone jack, running it through a audio to digital converter, but that seems like the long way around. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > Jim - KK7A > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Sep 11 16:09:51 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:09:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS list - cleaning shack In-Reply-To: <1473621181526-7622361.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473621181526-7622361.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4131e751-e1ee-87af-fe26-0ad28ea70760@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,9/11/2016 12:13 PM, KK1W wrote: > Very interested in the FT100's for a young ham friend. He has one, also with > issues, and maybe can make a good one out of three? Although the young ham already has one, I think that radios like the FT100 are a poor choice for a new ham. Yes, it's CHEAP, but IMO, new hams need a rig that is very simple, straightforward, and easy to operate. That does NOT describe an FT100, D version or otherwise. I owned one for a while, and I found it very frustrating to use. EVERYTHING is in a menu, there are bunches of menus, and so on. 73, Jim K9YC From jerry at molaver.org Sun Sep 11 16:30:18 2016 From: jerry at molaver.org (Jerry) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:30:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Commander in DxLab locking up Message-ID: <03lwqgpx8py78xd398sypmob.1473625815639@email.android.com> I have been successfully using DxLab as my logging/control program for my K3S for a few months now. About 2 weeks ago and again yesterday the Commander module locks up. If I am not attentive it ends up logging contacts on the 'locked up' freq and mode. I am using a new HP computer in the shack with Windows 10 connecting to the K3S with the USB port. The applications manager is unable to force Commander down. The only choice I have is to close everything else n then manually turn off the computer. When it reboots all is good. I have started to shut down Commander when I shut off the K3S - the computer runs 24/7 as there are scripts running for auto backup to my NAS. My issue sounds somewhat familiar to a recent post here. Any suggestions where to start? Life is short Ride hard From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Sep 11 16:46:58 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:46:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Commander in DxLab locking up Message-ID: <5t6xv39139i4r6c3g11b3hbu.1473626818558@email.android.com> HiMy edgeport mutiserial port usb device will lock up as well as any software when I transmit at over 100w on 160 and 80m. The only thing that will restore things is to do a power down. Its possible that you may have an rfi issue. Check any usb hubs too.?73 Tom? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Jerry Date: 2016-09-11 4:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Commander in DxLab locking up I have been successfully using DxLab as my logging/control program for my K3S for a few months now. About 2 weeks ago and again yesterday the Commander module locks up. If I am not attentive it ends up logging contacts on the 'locked up' freq and mode. I am using a new HP computer in the shack with Windows 10 connecting to the K3S with the USB port. The applications manager is unable to force Commander down. The only choice I have is to close everything else n then manually turn off the computer. When it reboots all is good. I have started to shut down Commander when I shut off the K3S - the computer runs 24/7 as there are scripts running for auto backup to my NAS. My issue sounds somewhat familiar to a recent post here. Any suggestions where to start? Life is short Ride hard ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From k9ztv at socket.net Sun Sep 11 16:47:53 2016 From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:47:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS list - cleaning shack In-Reply-To: <4131e751-e1ee-87af-fe26-0ad28ea70760@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1473621181526-7622361.post@n2.nabble.com> <4131e751-e1ee-87af-fe26-0ad28ea70760@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Huh? I ran CW mobile for several years with a 100D because I deemed it well thought out for a mobile situation and simple to operate while driving. Plowed through a heavy crowd on two bands one afternoon to work Ducie while tooling along at 70 mph. I could change bands and tune the ATAS by feel with scarcely a glance at the control head. Liked it better than the 857D I run now. But obviously not a contester's rig. Someday, maybe, if they bring out a detachable head, something-Elecraft will adorn my center console. 73, Kent, K9ZTV > On Sep 11, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Sun,9/11/2016 12:13 PM, KK1W wrote: >> Very interested in the FT100's for a young ham friend. He has one, also with >> issues, and maybe can make a good one out of three? > > Although the young ham already has one, I think that radios like the FT100 are a poor choice for a new ham. Yes, it's CHEAP, but IMO, new hams need a rig that is very simple, straightforward, and easy to operate. That does NOT describe an FT100, D version or otherwise. I owned one for a while, and I found it very frustrating to use. EVERYTHING is in a menu, there are bunches of menus, and so on. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ztv at socket.net > From w0agmike at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 16:57:21 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:57:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: <9f722273-2420-30b6-15b6-a0a8ffd6f633@embarqmail.com> References: <9f722273-2420-30b6-15b6-a0a8ffd6f633@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Once again, thanks to everyone on the list for input. I was finally successful in getting everything reloaded only after disconnecting everything but the serial cable to the PC. Thanks to Don and Bill for pointing that step out as a solution. Thanks also to Dick for pointing out the help files in the Utility - just never thought to look there as well, but will if it ever happens again. Mike - W0AG > Remove the K3 power cord and wait at least 2 minutes. > While waiting, reboot the computer and after it comes up, power on the K3. > Check to see if K3 Utility can find the K3. > Try the Force Firmware Download again. > If that still does not work, disconnect everything except the RS-232 cable > from the K3 and try the sequence again. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 9/11/2016 11:52 AM, Mike Murray wrote: > >> I was in the process of updating my K3's firmware this morning when >> something apparently burped leaving the K3 bricked. The radio is wired >> directly to a power supply which also feeds a RigRunner for other stuff. >> At the time I was also using a small 12V air compressor on the RigRunner. >> I don't think it was involved, but can't say for sure. >> >> The TX light is flashing, the display shows "MCU LD" and power button >> won't >> power it down. I've tried forcing a firmware download several times, >> explicitly following the instructions in the K3 manual without success. >> The K3 Utility program can't find the rig on the prior COM port being >> used, >> nor on any other available COM port, so I suspect that's a major clue. >> True COM ports are not available on the PC so I'm using a StarTech 4 port >> USB converter that utilizes the FTDI chips. >> >> >> > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Sep 11 17:13:15 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:13:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Commander in DxLab locking up In-Reply-To: <5t6xv39139i4r6c3g11b3hbu.1473626818558@email.android.com> References: <5t6xv39139i4r6c3g11b3hbu.1473626818558@email.android.com> Message-ID: <3a5c31a1-d72b-9fd9-a292-97b29c67ca33@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,9/11/2016 1:46 PM, tomb18 wrote: > My edgeport mutiserial port usb device will lock up as well as any software when I transmit at over 100w on 160 and 80m. The only thing that will restore things is to do a power down. Its possible that you may have an rfi issue. Check any usb hubs too. Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf for reliable cures for RFI problems, including this one. I have three specific recommendations for you. 1) wind at least 12 turns of the USB cable through a Fair-Rite #31 2.4-in o.d. ferrite core. Do the same with each serial cable. 2) If that does not fix the problem, replace each serial cable with one you have built yourself with CAT5 cable and DB9 connectors. See detailed instructions for the cable in http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf -- Slide #184. 3) Bond from chassis to chassis of all the gear in your shack with short, fat copper. Study that same set of slides. I experienced exactly this problem when I lived in Chicago, where my primary antenna for 80 and 160 was a Tee-vertical that I loaded as a long wire, using a big wrought-iron fence as a counterpoise. This put a big current peak in the shack, which coupled magnetically into the serial cable. As little as 14W caused the serial port to lock up. When I replaced the serial cable between the computer and my K2/100 with a cable that I built from CAT5, I was able to run my Ten Tec Titan amp at legal limit without interference. 73, Jim K9YC From lists at subich.com Sun Sep 11 17:16:32 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:16:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Commander in DxLab locking up In-Reply-To: <03lwqgpx8py78xd398sypmob.1473625815639@email.android.com> References: <03lwqgpx8py78xd398sypmob.1473625815639@email.android.com> Message-ID: This is a well known symptom of a loss of the virtual serial port - Windows is turning off power to the USB port feeding the K3S (or the K3S is being turned off before the computer). It can also occur if common mode RFI results in a high RF voltage on either the USB port in the computer or the USB UART/bridge in the K3S. If the lockup occurs when one transmits - particularly on only one or two bands - look for common mode RFI (see K9YC's tutorials). If the lockup occurs when the the computer sleeps, the K3S is turned off, or after random periods of inactivity, disable the Windows "Power saving Settings" - particularly "USB Selective Suspend" - in the Windows Control Panel so Windows will not disable the USB ports and cause the virtual serial port to "go away" unexpectedly. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/11/2016 4:30 PM, Jerry wrote: > I have been successfully using DxLab as my logging/control program for my K3S for a few months now. About 2 weeks ago and again yesterday the Commander module locks up. If I am not attentive it ends up logging contacts on the 'locked up' freq and mode. > I am using a new HP computer in the shack with Windows 10 connecting to the K3S with the USB port. > The applications manager is unable to force Commander down. The only choice I have is to close everything else n then manually turn off the computer. When it reboots all is good. > I have started to shut down Commander when I shut off the K3S - the computer runs 24/7 as there are scripts running for auto backup to my NAS. > My issue sounds somewhat familiar to a recent post here. > Any suggestions where to start? > > > > > Life is short > Ride hard > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Sep 11 18:04:52 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:04:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701d20c78$8652d530$92f87f90$@biz> Did you have the KIO3B board installed during the repair so you have an 8P8C connector (sometimes called an RJ-45) on the rear panel? If so, you MUST use the 8P8C and an RS232 port on the computer to reinstall following a failed load. On the front of the KIO3B main board, near the speaker cable connector, is a toggle switch. Remove the K3 top cover and place the USB <-> USB/RS232 switch in the USB position. You should have received a suitable interface cable with the upgrade but you'll need an RS232 adaptor if you don't have an RS232 port your computer. Be sure to return the switch to the USB position after completing the firmware upload. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Murray Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:16 AM To: Rick Bates (WA6NHC); elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 appears to be bricked Thanks for the suggestions so far - tried each several times but the K3 is still toast..... On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote: > Try a full power off shutdown of the computer. If a desktop, pull the > power cord for 30 seconds to completely discharge the motherboard > (pull the battery from a laptop). > Spell Czech happens > > > Have you removed power, waited 2 minutes, then restored power? All you have to do is turn everything off including the computer. To turn off the the K-3 you have to remove the power connection. Next, turn on the computer. After the computer boots up, connect the power to the K-3 and turn it on. You will see the same MCU LD message and blinking transmit light, but the computer utility program should be able to find the K-3 and reload the firmware. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From w4sc at windstream.net Sun Sep 11 18:06:35 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:06:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 QSK working.?? Message-ID: <09FE87D308DA4C1F88592E45C156A43B@z22z28> Got KX3 switched to ?Old QSK? with help from Myron K4YA. From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Sun Sep 11 18:43:37 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:43:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS list - cleaning shack In-Reply-To: <1473621181526-7622361.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473621181526-7622361.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <343CCB2B-1AD8-49B4-AB45-F0EF9F2076E9@ecsecurityinc.com> I have several people who have asked questions, so I'll get them out, power them up, and get answers tomorrow evening. I'l check also on the 'D' status. IIRC, the one in the best condition has a single bad final Niel On Sep 11, 2016, at 1:13 PM, KK1W wrote: > Neil, > > Very interested in the FT100's for a young ham friend. He has one, also with > issues, and maybe can make a good one out of three? > > Are they "D" models? > > Thanks! > > Jim/KK1W > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-list-cleaning-shack-tp7622336p7622361.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com > From hotrod541 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 11 20:48:26 2016 From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (Louis Ives) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:48:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks for the help. Message-ID: I finally was able to get my upgraded K-3 to recognize my K-3 utility via USB. I deleted the utility from my computer and reloaded it, then left the K-3 with the power disconnected over night. This morning I connected the USB cable to the computer and then started it. I waited to make sure it was recognized by the computer. I then connected it to my K-3 with the power still off. I connected the power cable and started the utility. When I turned the K-3 on, it connected with the utility and I was able to use it. There must have been something corrupted in the system. Everything works as it should now and the upgrades have also helped the K-3. Thanks to everyone for the advise given. PSent from my iPad From dl at hfdf.net Mon Sep 12 07:53:27 2016 From: dl at hfdf.net (dl at hfdf.net) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 00:53:27 -1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Did anybody test any universal USB / 12V lithium battery pack for KX3? Message-ID: <9b6fe7e6dc0f4fdb39d9c1469941c5b9@hfdf.net> I had exactly the same problem with a car battery unable to maintain >12v. The 15AH battery at this link was an excellent solution: https://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries/products/12v-15ah-lfp-battery-blue-w-pvc-pack It is pricy but provided 12.9 volts @ 200ma receive and 12.3 volts @1900ma xmt for 5 weeks at about 1 hour of use a day. The radio ran at 10 watts the whole time. I bought the charger with the battery and recharged prior to a transmit voltage drop below 12vdc. /Dave K1BZ =========================================== Did anybody test any any USB/12V+ battery pack in KX3 or KX2? I have a USB / 12V/8.3Ah model: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01337QXMA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Seems to be 3S3 with 11.8V peak, not bad but a bit too little for 10W operation. There are types with adjustable voltage like: https://www.amazon.com/Poweradd-23000mAh-Multi-Voltage-Portable-Notebooks/dp/B015OAJFOC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=NBT8GMPAMS3QZBC6AKWY but if voltages are converted by switching then it can be quite noisy. Traditionally I use 4S2 devices from batteryspace.com but they are getting pricey and don't double as USB chargers. Ignacy, NO9E From wrmichael at hotmail.com Mon Sep 12 08:24:58 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:24:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount Message-ID: I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along with the FTM-400? Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the effort? Thanks, Wayne AC9HP From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 12 08:50:31 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wayne, Take a look at http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Rev-B1-1.6-KX3-Mobile-Owners.pdf. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/12/2016 8:24 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. > I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. > Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along with the FTM-400? > Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the effort? > Thanks, > From alsopb at comcast.net Mon Sep 12 09:03:02 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:03:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> Don, Perhaps you can clear up an issue. The link below does not include fuses in the ground side. I thought there were some very good reasons to do so. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 9/12/2016 12:50 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wayne, > > Take a look at > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Rev-B1-1.6-KX3-Mobile-Owners.pdf. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/12/2016 8:24 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >> I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. >> I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. >> Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along >> with the FTM-400? >> Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the effort? >> Thanks, >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 12 09:34:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:34:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> References: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> Message-ID: Brian, There is a lot of controversy over fuses in the ground lead. The reason for them dates way back to days when the battery to engine ground strap would commonly corrode or break. IMHO, that was more common in automotive designs of the 1940s through 1980s vehicles when it was a piece of uninsulated braid. I believe that connection is much more reliable in modern vehicles and better protected from exposure to the elements. The reasoning behind putting a fuse in the negative lead is that it will protect the radio from having current from the starter current be routed over the radio's ground wire paths should the battery to engine ground strap be faulty. BUT, there are other paths to ground that can go through the radio even if the fuse in the negative lead goes open - consider that the antenna coax shield is also connected to the vehicle body and provides yet another ground path. IMHO, fusing the ground lead is not necessary in modern vehicle installations. In fact I recall W8JI insisting that the radio ground be obtained from the chassis of the vehicle instead of routing the ground wire all the way to the battery. That solution eliminates the problem path. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/12/2016 9:03 AM, brian wrote: > Don, > > Perhaps you can clear up an issue. > The link below does not include fuses in the ground side. > I thought there were some very good reasons to do so. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 9/12/2016 12:50 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> Take a look at >> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Rev-B1-1.6-KX3-Mobile-Owners.pdf. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 9/12/2016 8:24 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >>> I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. >>> I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. >>> Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along >>> with the FTM-400? >>> Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the effort? >>> Thanks, >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From fred at fmeco.com Mon Sep 12 09:43:24 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:43:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> References: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> Message-ID: Brian, if you run the negative lead all the way to the battery (direct) fuse the lead close to the battery. If you run the negative lead to point that ends in a frame ground do not fuse the negative lead. This does not conflict with standard automotive manufacture recommendations. Also carefully read almost all manufactures installations it says run the leads to the battery, and they provide two fuses on in the positive and negative lead. I have not seen an installation manual in years that didn't say directly to the battery.. Tom W8JI has some good explanations on they why's and how this came to be http://www.w8ji.com/mobile_ground.htm Regards.. Fred On 9/12/16 9:03 AM, brian wrote: > Don, > > Perhaps you can clear up an issue. > The link below does not include fuses in the ground side. > I thought there were some very good reasons to do so. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 9/12/2016 12:50 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> Take a look at >> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Rev-B1-1.6-KX3-Mobile-Owners.pdf. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 9/12/2016 8:24 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >>> I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. >>> I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. >>> Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along >>> with the FTM-400? >>> Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the effort? >>> Thanks, >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Mon Sep 12 09:58:16 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 06:58:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <06e04014-55bf-b0ee-24b9-25135b0164af@roadrunner.com> **This is also an excellent source of mobile installation knowledge:* http://www.k0bg.com/ * *Note that in the mobile guide, the chassis ground was the method a Honda tech recommended. I could have run an additional 8 AWG and fused it, but there was no reason to do so. Another hint is that the older Motorola 100W FM transceivers (Syntor, Micor, etc.) use a single short black lead with a large ring lug and no fuse, meant to be bolted to chassis ground. * *73,* *Matt W6NIA* On 9/12/2016 6:43 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > Brian, if you run the negative lead all the way to the battery (direct) > fuse the lead close to the battery. If you run the negative lead to > point that ends in a frame ground do not fuse the negative lead. This > does not conflict with standard automotive manufacture recommendations. > > Also carefully read almost all manufactures installations it says run > the leads to the battery, and they provide two fuses on in the positive > and negative lead. I have not seen an installation manual in years that > didn't say directly to the battery.. > > Tom W8JI has some good explanations on they why's and how this came to be > > http://www.w8ji.com/mobile_ground.htm > > Regards.. Fred > > > On 9/12/16 9:03 AM, brian wrote: >> Don, >> >> Perhaps you can clear up an issue. >> The link below does not include fuses in the ground side. >> I thought there were some very good reasons to do so. >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> On 9/12/2016 12:50 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Wayne, >>> >>> Take a look at >>> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Rev-B1-1.6-KX3-Mobile-Owners.pdf. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 9/12/2016 8:24 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >>>> I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. >>>> I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. >>>> Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along >>>> with the FTM-400? >>>> Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the effort? >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com >> -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From fred at fmeco.com Mon Sep 12 10:01:59 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:01:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8905fde0-d2b9-1605-f38b-4804277cd0e0@fmeco.com> I will add to the conversation with a direct story relating to radio grounds, in this case it was a sail boat... At one time I spent much of my life Surveying boats, another survey friend asked me to look at his sailboat as he could not keep zinc's on the boat they would last about a month.. An arriving throwing a silver anode over the side (in salt water) showed about 1.75 volts between the water and his ground. So that is why the zinc's were plating off of the boat. All grounds on the boat lead to a grounding plate at the foot of the mast (42 foot). As I was disconnecting each ground wire on the grounding plate, suddenly the ground went away, and Lee said "the VHF radio went dead", it was on as he was listening to the weather. So what had happened.. This was a case where the radio was wired directly to the battery, with fuses in both the positive and negative leads. The fuse in the negative lead was indeed blown (unknown reason). The ground path to the radio was up the coax shield to the masthead antenna, this antenna was DC grounded flowed then down the mast to the ground plate. This connection raised the ground potential in reference to all other grounds 1.75 volts.. and was the cause of all of the problems. Properly grounding the radio ground to the ground plate permanently resolved the issue.. This was a case of small currents (radio in receive), however should a starter have been involved as Tom (W8JI) explains the currents would have been great and could easily have caused a fire. My point is where ground connections are made can have consequences.. Regards.. Fred On 9/12/16 9:34 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brian, > > There is a lot of controversy over fuses in the ground lead. > The reason for them dates way back to days when the battery to engine > ground strap would commonly corrode or break. IMHO, that was more > common in automotive designs of the 1940s through 1980s vehicles when > it was a piece of uninsulated braid. I believe that connection is > much more reliable in modern vehicles and better protected from > exposure to the elements. > > The reasoning behind putting a fuse in the negative lead is that it > will protect the radio from having current from the starter current be > routed over the radio's ground wire paths should the battery to engine > ground strap be faulty. > > BUT, there are other paths to ground that can go through the radio > even if the fuse in the negative lead goes open - consider that the > antenna coax shield is also connected to the vehicle body and provides > yet another ground path. > > IMHO, fusing the ground lead is not necessary in modern vehicle > installations. In fact I recall W8JI insisting that the radio ground > be obtained from the chassis of the vehicle instead of routing the > ground wire all the way to the battery. That solution eliminates the > problem path. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > On 9/12/2016 9:03 AM, brian wrote: >> Don, >> >> Perhaps you can clear up an issue. >> The link below does not include fuses in the ground side. >> I thought there were some very good reasons to do so. >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> On 9/12/2016 12:50 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Wayne, >>> >>> Take a look at >>> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Rev-B1-1.6-KX3-Mobile-Owners.pdf. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 9/12/2016 8:24 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >>>> I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. >>>> I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. >>>> Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along >>>> with the FTM-400? >>>> Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the >>>> effort? >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From wn3r.us at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 10:15:25 2016 From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (wn3r.us at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:15:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 PS Message-ID: <7DAA65C5-E79F-4157-8A0C-A86FCCA538E7@gmail.com> http://www.parts-express.com/sure-electronics-ps-sp11111-12-vdc-3a-ac-power-adapter-with-21-x-55mm-plug--320-312?utm_source=Retail&utm_medium=Email_Newsletter&utm_content=320-312&utm_campaign=email091216 73, Dick, WN3R Richard 202.497.2840 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 12 10:47:02 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:47:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <8905fde0-d2b9-1605-f38b-4804277cd0e0@fmeco.com> References: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> <8905fde0-d2b9-1605-f38b-4804277cd0e0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <88ad8002-2bd3-732e-43c4-ee424d2d0b6f@embarqmail.com> This is the "sneak path" through a grounding system, and must always be considered. Although this thread is directed at mobile installations, it applies equally to home station installations. If you have a driven ground rod that is not connected with heavy wire to the utility entry ground rod, similar situations exist and can be a safety hazard. Connect all grounds together unless they are 100 feet or more apart - it is a requirement of electrical codes. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/12/2016 10:01 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > So what had happened.. This was a case where the radio was wired > directly to the battery, with fuses in both the positive and negative > leads. The fuse in the negative lead was indeed blown (unknown > reason). The ground path to the radio was up the coax shield to the > masthead antenna, this antenna was DC grounded flowed then down the mast > to the ground plate. > > This connection raised the ground potential in reference to all other > grounds 1.75 volts.. and was the cause of all of the problems. > Properly grounding the radio ground to the ground plate permanently > resolved the issue.. > > This was a case of small currents (radio in receive), however should a > starter have been involved as Tom (W8JI) explains the currents would > have been great and could easily have caused a fire. > > My point is where ground connections are made can have consequences.. > Regards.. Fred > > From raysills3 at verizon.net Mon Sep 12 12:04:23 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 PS In-Reply-To: <7DAA65C5-E79F-4157-8A0C-A86FCCA538E7@gmail.com> References: <7DAA65C5-E79F-4157-8A0C-A86FCCA538E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7186697B-3382-4E7F-AEC9-376019AE4FF2@verizon.net> Hi Dick: That looks like a reasonable unit, but personally, I would rather have the Pro Audio Engineering PAE-KX33? which is a known ?quiet? switching supply, with the proper power plug. Yes, it?s more expensive, but I?d just as soon spend that extra money, as opposed to trying to quiet down a noisy supply. And it helps support a ham businessman. The KX33 is good for more power, BTW? it?ll run a KX3 at 15 watts? so a KX2 is easily powered. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:15 AM, wn3r.us at gmail.com wrote: > > http://www.parts-express.com/sure-electronics-ps-sp11111-12-vdc-3a-ac-power-adapter-with-21-x-55mm-plug--320-312?utm_source=Retail&utm_medium=Email_Newsletter&utm_content=320-312&utm_campaign=email091216 > > 73, Dick, WN3R > > Richard > 202.497.2840 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 12:34:42 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:34:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 PS In-Reply-To: <7186697B-3382-4E7F-AEC9-376019AE4FF2@verizon.net> References: <7DAA65C5-E79F-4157-8A0C-A86FCCA538E7@gmail.com> <7186697B-3382-4E7F-AEC9-376019AE4FF2@verizon.net> Message-ID: I also have and recommend the Pro Audio Engineering PS, along with the "Y" cable to power the KX3 if needed. 73 Ken - K0PP On Sep 12, 2016 10:06 AM, "Ray Sills" wrote: > Hi Dick: > > That looks like a reasonable unit, but personally, I would rather have the > Pro Audio Engineering PAE-KX33? which is a known ?quiet? switching supply, > with the proper power plug. Yes, it?s more expensive, but I?d just as soon > spend that extra money, as opposed to trying to quiet down a noisy supply. > > And it helps support a ham businessman. The KX33 is good for more power, > BTW? it?ll run a KX3 at 15 watts? so a KX2 is easily powered. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:15 AM, wn3r.us at gmail.com wrote: > > > > http://www.parts-express.com/sure-electronics-ps-sp11111- > 12-vdc-3a-ac-power-adapter-with-21-x-55mm-plug--320-312? > utm_source=Retail&utm_medium=Email_Newsletter&utm_content= > 320-312&utm_campaign=email091216 > > > > 73, Dick, WN3R > > > > Richard > > 202.497.2840 > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 12 12:54:15 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <06e04014-55bf-b0ee-24b9-25135b0164af@roadrunner.com> References: <57D6A786.1050304@comcast.net> <06e04014-55bf-b0ee-24b9-25135b0164af@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Mon,9/12/2016 6:58 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > This is also an excellent source of mobile installation knowledge:* > http://www.k0bg.com/ > * And also some misinformation. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Sep 12 14:44:32 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:44:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote operation and P3? Message-ID: I've really grown accustomed to the P3 and would hate to be without it. I've also started to look at remote operation for the eventual downsizing that will occur as we get older. Is there a way to get the P3 or its functionality while operating the K3s remotely with any of the Elecraft solutions? Thanks jim ab3cv From ve3bwp at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 15:39:11 2016 From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:39:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! Message-ID: Hello All, Not an Elecraft owner yet but making plans to be one soon. I?m just starting the research. A close friend is all Elecraft and I'm impressed. Even meeting the company owners and designers at Dayton has me sold on them. My QRP rig today is an FT817 which I love (I have been known to sleep with it under my pillow lol) and have had a few memorable QRP mini-expiditions on vacation trips to Central America, France and around the province. Currently my primary base rig is a Kenwood TS590 no complaints about it so far. I have been approached by prospective buyers with reasonable offers to sell both these rigs. So I am giving serious thought to using this opportunity to get a KX3 and the KXPA100 100W amplifier/tuner combo to replace my TS590 as a base radio. I would then use the KX3 on its own instead of the FT817 for my QRP trips. I am playing now with the HF digital modes such as FreeDV, PSK31, JT65, WSPR so hopefully CAT and audio interfacing to a computer is easy. Today I use a SignaLink USB. I like the idea of getting to know one radio really well (the kx3) by using it as my primary rig on the road AND at home (maybe even in the mobile at some point). I would then save my pennies for the PX3 and even a KX2 for lighter travels at some point. Is it safe to assume i won't be loosing any performance by making this chance and even gain some? Hopefully no trolls on this group. Thanks, Ve3bwp From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Sep 12 15:48:15 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:48:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <629bea3b-ceaa-8d6d-7f0a-490d2391b235@socal.rr.com> Re "Is it safe to assume I won't be loosing any performance by making this chance and even gain some?": If you mean the KX2 or KX3 vs. the FT-817 you should have better HF performance by far. And you can opt for an internal ATU in either rig, a huge plus in my mind, Brian. What you lose is the 144/470 all-mode capability of the FT-817 (which is why I kept mine as long as I did). You can add 2m to the KX3, but I've not done that. While the KX3 has features not available in the KX2 (more bands, a roofing filter, feasibility of adding the PX3 panadapter, a bit more power), I've found the KX2 to be an equally good QRP rig. 73, Phil W7OX On 9/12/16 12:39 PM, Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk wrote: > Hello All, > > Not an Elecraft owner yet but making plans to be one soon. I?m just starting the research. > > A close friend is all Elecraft and I'm impressed. Even meeting the company owners and designers at Dayton has me sold on them. > > My QRP rig today is an FT817 which I love (I have been known to sleep with it under my pillow lol) and have had a few memorable QRP mini-expiditions on vacation trips to Central America, France and around the province. > > Currently my primary base rig is a Kenwood TS590 no complaints about it so far. I have been approached by prospective buyers with reasonable offers to sell both these rigs. So I am giving serious thought to using this opportunity to get a KX3 and the KXPA100 100W amplifier/tuner combo to replace my TS590 as a base radio. I would then use the KX3 on its own instead of the FT817 for my QRP trips. > > I am playing now with the HF digital modes such as FreeDV, PSK31, JT65, WSPR so hopefully CAT and audio interfacing to a computer is easy. Today I use a SignaLink USB. > > I like the idea of getting to know one radio really well (the kx3) by using it as my primary rig on the road AND at home (maybe even in the mobile at some point). I would then save my pennies for the PX3 and even a KX2 for lighter travels at some point. > > Is it safe to assume i won't be loosing any performance by making this chance and even gain some? > > Hopefully no trolls on this group. > > Thanks, > > Ve3bwp From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Sep 12 16:08:20 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:08:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian, I would say the KX3 and KXPA100 is a good choice. I have this setup now, and I use it for everything, QRP Field Day to contesting, and everything in between. I have used mine on CW, SSB, and various digital modes. It's been amazing. In my opinion, it is the most flexible radio being sold today, and its performance is limited more by the environment than the radio itself. I have mine set up to use spectrum display using Win4K3 by way of a good sound card that is driven by the radio's I&Q output that Elecraft so thoughtfully provided. I use this same output for CW Skimmer that gives me local spotting over ~130 KHz of spectrum in the band I'm on. I also have Ham Radio Deluxe connected for cluster spots and logging. Digital modes are handled via a SignaLink USB interface that takes the audio from the KX3 and uses its own sound card. I use the aux out on the back of the SignaLink to drive a pair of powered computer speakers. This way I never need to change anything when going from SSB to digital except to remove the mic and plug in the SignaLink in its place. To address your concerns about interfacing to the KX3 with a SignaLink USB, it's pretty easy. You will need a cable for the radio and reset the jumpers, or get the prewired header plug. The SignaLink USB does control the radio, no problem. I would say go for it. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 9/12/2016 3:39:11 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! >Hello All, > >Not an Elecraft owner yet but making plans to be one soon. I?m just >starting the research. > >A close friend is all Elecraft and I'm impressed. Even meeting the >company owners and designers at Dayton has me sold on them. > >My QRP rig today is an FT817 which I love (I have been known to sleep >with it under my pillow lol) and have had a few memorable QRP >mini-expiditions on vacation trips to Central America, France and >around the province. > >Currently my primary base rig is a Kenwood TS590 no complaints about it >so far. I have been approached by prospective buyers with reasonable >offers to sell both these rigs. So I am giving serious thought to using >this opportunity to get a KX3 and the KXPA100 100W amplifier/tuner >combo to replace my TS590 as a base radio. I would then use the KX3 on >its own instead of the FT817 for my QRP trips. > >I am playing now with the HF digital modes such as FreeDV, PSK31, JT65, >WSPR so hopefully CAT and audio interfacing to a computer is easy. >Today I use a SignaLink USB. > >I like the idea of getting to know one radio really well (the kx3) by >using it as my primary rig on the road AND at home (maybe even in the >mobile at some point). I would then save my pennies for the PX3 and >even a KX2 for lighter travels at some point. > >Is it safe to assume i won't be loosing any performance by making this >chance and even gain some? > >Hopefully no trolls on this group. > >Thanks, > >Ve3bwp >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 12 16:17:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f9cd283-4e0f-2267-7d4e-10a1b21efebd@embarqmail.com> Brian, I suspect you will *gain* performance with the Elecraft gear. Especially if you equate performance with being able to copy weaker signals and the ability to "saddle up" closer to other stations when working in a pileup. Another thing to consider with Elecraft is "upgradability". Elecraft provides firmware upgrades for the K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2 at no cost, and with those being a SDR transceivers, the capability exists to change the behavior of the rig dramatically (although a firmware upgrade will not likely be a drastic change, but improved or added function). Elecraft offers those upgrades rather than insisting you trade in your rig for the "latest and greatest" - so you will have a transceiver that will last you for many, many years with no additional outlay of cash. Any hardware mods that may be offered will also available at modest cost. The premier example of this is the Elecraft K2 which was released to customers in 1999 and even the very earliest K2 can be upgraded to the current level (with the exception of a few non-performance related mods). My upgraded Field Test K2 (1998) is just as good as a newly built one, and that is 18 years later than the original. Elecraft has "jumped through hoops" lately to continue to support their legacy gear even though the availability of thru-hole parts continues to dry up as component manufacturers switch over to SMD parts leaving the users of thru-hole parts to scramble. We may see the day when critical thru-hole parts will come to an end, but until that time, Elecraft will continue to support their legacy products. I repair those legacy products and have been involved in a number of "parts scrambles", but Elecraft support continues with equivalent parts substitutes (usually SMD parts mounted on DIP socket carrier boards). 73, Don W3FPR On 9/12/2016 3:39 PM, Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk wrote: > Hello All, > > Not an Elecraft owner yet but making plans to be one soon. I?m just starting the research. > > A close friend is all Elecraft and I'm impressed. Even meeting the company owners and designers at Dayton has me sold on them. > > > Is it safe to assume i won't be loosing any performance by making this chance and even gain some? > > From mwatterson at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 16:24:50 2016 From: mwatterson at gmail.com (Mike Watterson (K3MAW)) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:24:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian, In August of 2015 I sold all my HF radios to buy a used KX3 with the 100w amp, I never regretted the decision. I did buy the internal tuner and installed it myself and will soon get the 2 meter add-on. Barry (K3NDM) mention Win4k3 and CWSkimmer, which I use as well along with HRD Logger and N1MM+. If you can swing it, go for it. Mike - K3MAW On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk wrote: > Hello All, > > Not an Elecraft owner yet but making plans to be one soon. I?m just > starting the research. > > A close friend is all Elecraft and I'm impressed. Even meeting the company > owners and designers at Dayton has me sold on them. > > My QRP rig today is an FT817 which I love (I have been known to sleep with > it under my pillow lol) and have had a few memorable QRP mini-expiditions > on vacation trips to Central America, France and around the province. > > Currently my primary base rig is a Kenwood TS590 no complaints about it so > far. I have been approached by prospective buyers with reasonable offers to > sell both these rigs. So I am giving serious thought to using this > opportunity to get a KX3 and the KXPA100 100W amplifier/tuner combo to > replace my TS590 as a base radio. I would then use the KX3 on its own > instead of the FT817 for my QRP trips. > > I am playing now with the HF digital modes such as FreeDV, PSK31, JT65, > WSPR so hopefully CAT and audio interfacing to a computer is easy. Today I > use a SignaLink USB. > > I like the idea of getting to know one radio really well (the kx3) by > using it as my primary rig on the road AND at home (maybe even in the > mobile at some point). I would then save my pennies for the PX3 and even a > KX2 for lighter travels at some point. > > Is it safe to assume i won't be loosing any performance by making this > chance and even gain some? > > Hopefully no trolls on this group. > > Thanks, > > Ve3bwp > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mwatterson at gmail.com From w1tef at swsports.org Mon Sep 12 16:35:31 2016 From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:35:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <127784cf-4c84-8082-7a22-0c24baa841c0@swsports.org> The simplest and easier mount that actually works and allows for positioning depending on what you are planning, check this out. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CRQUKQ4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I have one for my KX3 and KX2. I'd post a picture, but don't think that is allowed on this forum. I must admit, when I thought of it, I didn't think it would work, but it did over 10,000 miles this summer on trips. Tom, W1TEF On 9/12/2016 8:24 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > I have a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan. > I currently have a FTM-400 mounted using a seat mount. > Any ideas what mounts might be available to put a KX3 in the van along with the FTM-400? > Anyone have experience with the KX3 mobile in a car? Worth the effort? > Thanks, > Wayne AC9HP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org > From Mundschenk55 at msn.com Mon Sep 12 16:38:01 2016 From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:38:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Independent Headphone & Speaker Volume Message-ID: Hi: I currently feed a powered speaker with the constant line output of my K3. I can individually adjust that speaker's volume locally and the HP volume on the K3. I'm contemplating the purchase of an SP-3. As this speaker is unpowered, I will have to use the K3 power amp and am afraid that I will lose the individual volume control versatility I have. If this is the case - would it be possible to repurpose the sub-rx (I don't have one) AF gain "ring" to control the speaker amp level. My understanding is that the speaker out and HP out's are fed by separate DAC's. Thanks, Russ KD4JO From kevin at k4vd.net Mon Sep 12 16:41:50 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:41:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As mentioned, you lose 70 cm. I do have the 2 m module installed but haven't had much opportunity to use it. The roofing filters and the overall receiver performance of the K3 will floor you compared to the 817 (I owned an 817ND). Working PSK-31 with a CW key is a blast (as a alternative to dragging the extra equipment around). I have a Flex-6500 on the desk. I have been sorely tempted numerous times to simplify, sell and go with a KPA-100 and KX-3 combination to replace it. I've done many side-by-side receive comparisons and the KX3 holds its own nicely in typical conditions. So, not sure what you should do but as one that had the 817ND and now a KX3 I have never looked back. I suggest the roofing filter and the antenna tuner at minimum. I'm not a fan of the current internal charger option - that needs work. I use an external battery and fall back to internal only when necessary. The paddles work very well for me. I also have the Begali but the KXPD3 is good. Everything else (and I got it all) is just fluff I think. Whatever you choose... have a blast! 73, Kevin K4VD On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Barry wrote: > Brian, > I would say the KX3 and KXPA100 is a good choice. I have this setup > now, and I use it for everything, QRP Field Day to contesting, and > everything in between. I have used mine on CW, SSB, and various digital > modes. It's been amazing. In my opinion, it is the most flexible radio > being sold today, and its performance is limited more by the environment > than the radio itself. > > I have mine set up to use spectrum display using Win4K3 by way of a > good sound card that is driven by the radio's I&Q output that Elecraft so > thoughtfully provided. I use this same output for CW Skimmer that gives me > local spotting over ~130 KHz of spectrum in the band I'm on. I also have > Ham Radio Deluxe connected for cluster spots and logging. > > Digital modes are handled via a SignaLink USB interface that takes the > audio from the KX3 and uses its own sound card. I use the aux out on the > back of the SignaLink to drive a pair of powered computer speakers. This > way I never need to change anything when going from SSB to digital except > to remove the mic and plug in the SignaLink in its place. > > To address your concerns about interfacing to the KX3 with a SignaLink > USB, it's pretty easy. You will need a cable for the radio and reset the > jumpers, or get the prewired header plug. The SignaLink USB does control > the radio, no problem. I would say go for it. > > > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 9/12/2016 3:39:11 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! > > Hello All, >> >> Not an Elecraft owner yet but making plans to be one soon. I?m just >> starting the research. >> >> A close friend is all Elecraft and I'm impressed. Even meeting the >> company owners and designers at Dayton has me sold on them. >> >> My QRP rig today is an FT817 which I love (I have been known to sleep >> with it under my pillow lol) and have had a few memorable QRP >> mini-expiditions on vacation trips to Central America, France and around >> the province. >> >> Currently my primary base rig is a Kenwood TS590 no complaints about it >> so far. I have been approached by prospective buyers with reasonable offers >> to sell both these rigs. So I am giving serious thought to using this >> opportunity to get a KX3 and the KXPA100 100W amplifier/tuner combo to >> replace my TS590 as a base radio. I would then use the KX3 on its own >> instead of the FT817 for my QRP trips. >> >> I am playing now with the HF digital modes such as FreeDV, PSK31, JT65, >> WSPR so hopefully CAT and audio interfacing to a computer is easy. Today I >> use a SignaLink USB. >> >> I like the idea of getting to know one radio really well (the kx3) by >> using it as my primary rig on the road AND at home (maybe even in the >> mobile at some point). I would then save my pennies for the PX3 and even a >> KX2 for lighter travels at some point. >> >> Is it safe to assume i won't be loosing any performance by making this >> chance and even gain some? >> >> Hopefully no trolls on this group. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ve3bwp >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > From jkhooper at rockisland.com Mon Sep 12 16:55:05 2016 From: jkhooper at rockisland.com (J.K. Hooper) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:55:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Independent Headphone & Speaker Volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11A2C830-02FC-49AC-8A85-A65A340766B9@rockisland.com> Russ, There is a input A and input B switch on the SP3. I only use input A to the speaker, so when on headphones I push the A/B switch on the SP3 to mute the speaker. I have a Behringer MicroAmp HA400 4 channel stereo headphone amplifier I use for field day, when we might have multiple folks on headphones listening to the radio. That could be used as a separate volume control for your headphones. 73, Hoop K9QJS On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Russ wrote: Hi: I currently feed a powered speaker with the constant line output of my K3. I can individually adjust that speaker's volume locally and the HP volume on the K3. I'm contemplating the purchase of an SP-3. As this speaker is unpowered, I will have to use the K3 power amp and am afraid that I will lose the individual volume control versatility I have. If this is the case - would it be possible to repurpose the sub-rx (I don't have one) AF gain "ring" to control the speaker amp level. My understanding is that the speaker out and HP out's are fed by separate DAC's. Thanks, Russ KD4JO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jkhooper at rockisland.com From anyone1545 at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 16:57:59 2016 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:57:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount Message-ID: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> Newer cars that have the auto stop feature ( engine turns off at stop lights) have a sensor between battery negative and car frame. In these cars the radio has to be connected to frame ground not the battery negative post or the sensor will not work right correctly. Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPad From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 12 17:52:50 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:52:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> References: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not necessarily. There is no good reason to bond the radio to the vehicle. It is, however, necessary to have good RF connection at the antenna between the coax shield and the body so that it can act as a counterpoise. That connection could be through a good RF capacitor. In this were done, I see no reason why powering the radio directly from the battery would be problematic, or would interfere with that system. Also, it seems to me that the system you describe is only viable with electric or hybrid vehicles. There are other significantly greater issues with installation of a HF radio in these vehicles. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,9/12/2016 1:57 PM, Gmail wrote: > Newer cars that have the auto stop feature ( engine turns off at stop lights) have a sensor between battery negative and car frame. In these cars the radio has to be connected to frame ground not the battery negative post or the sensor will not work right correctly. From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Sep 12 20:01:37 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:01:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, It's not just hybrid & electric vehicles. Some newer conventional cars shut the engine off during idle to save fuel. There's a sensor inline with the battery neg terminal to measure charge & discharge rates to prevent the start-stop algorithm from causing a dead battery. If you connect direct to the battery, you will confuse the sensor. 73, Josh W6XU On 9/12/2016 2:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Not necessarily. There is no good reason to bond the radio to the > vehicle. It is, however, necessary to have good RF connection at the > antenna between the coax shield and the body so that it can act as a > counterpoise. That connection could be through a good RF capacitor. In > this were done, I see no reason why powering the radio directly from > the battery would be problematic, or would interfere with that system. > > Also, it seems to me that the system you describe is only viable with > electric or hybrid vehicles. There are other significantly greater > issues with installation of a HF radio in these vehicles. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Mon,9/12/2016 1:57 PM, Gmail wrote: >> Newer cars that have the auto stop feature ( engine turns off at stop >> lights) have a sensor between battery negative and car frame. In >> these cars the radio has to be connected to frame ground not the >> battery negative post or the sensor will not work right correctly. > From n4we.ter at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 20:41:44 2016 From: n4we.ter at gmail.com (Tom Richardson) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Mode Question Message-ID: I bought a new K3S two weeks ago, and I am trying to learn how to use it. I apologize if the answer to this issue is obvious, but it isn't obvious to me. I am trying to use the K3S in data mode (JT65 or AFSK). I have the DATA MD set to DATA A, MIC SEL to LInE In, MODE to DATA, and LINE input gain to 10. Everything seems to work until I try to increase the power output beyond 12 watts. At 13 watts and beyond, the power abruptly drops down to one or two watts. I can see the signal in my P3, as well as hear it in the K3S monitor. I am using either WSJT-X, DM780 or fldigi software with identical results. The K3S seems to work fine in CW and SSB modes. I would appreciate any insights that might help me understand what is happening. 73, Tom N4WE From ae5x at juno.com Mon Sep 12 20:47:19 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 00:47:19 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Did anybody test any universal USB / 12V lithium batter y pack for KX3? Message-ID: <20160912.194719.27359.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> I bought one of these from Amazon about 6 weeks ago: http://tinyurl.com/jf4co9o It is advertised at having a 13.6AH capacity. I haven't tested it with my battery analyzer yet (but will tomorrow) but it doesn't seem to be anywhere near that from what I can guesstimate from the length of time it powered my KX2. It did however start my V8 Silverado in a test of that capability. It also comes with almost every size of barrel connector you might ever need. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________ The ICTM (Sponsored by Content.Ad) Diabetes Breakthrough That Will Bankrupt Diabetes Industry http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57d74ce5610054ce47ecfst01vuc From n3ikq at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 20:49:19 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 00:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Jump starter system for K3 portable power? References: <894507334.31261.1473727759809.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <894507334.31261.1473727759809@mail.yahoo.com> I'm looking for one of those hand carried jump starter/ portable power units for occasional field use for my K3 plus the rare car jump start in a pinch. Ultimately I would like it to have a replaceable battery, real three state charger that allows it to be plugged in at all times, high current output lugs (not just 12v jack), built in jumper cables, light enough to carry short distances, made in USA! OK that's a tall order! Do you know of a brand and model that covers many or most of these requirements? MOST of the dozens on Amazon do not appear to have the quality I prefer and are throw away, consumer grade units. I do like the looks of the?Schumacher ProSeries chargers (22 amp hours or so).?If I fail in my quest I'll consider a West Mountain Radio setup that I can lug out to the car if necessary for field use, camping, jump starting etc.. The up side is that Power Poles are standard! PS: I am aware of the amp-hours vs. power output vs. operating time vs. weight aspect of making a selection. I believe not getting a hernia will ultimately define the capacity of whichever unit I choose! Thanks for reading! From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 12 20:56:48 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0bc2b708-edc2-6420-cea6-6f453cdcb832@audiosystemsgroup.com> Thanks Josh. To confuse the sensor, it seems to me that the sensor would need to be built into the battery lug, so that it was between where we could connect our 12V minus lead and the battery -- i.e., so that our current was going through it. I was assuming it was on the wire side of the battery lug. I haven't seen one of these things, so I must plead ignorance. Thanks and 73, Jim On Mon,9/12/2016 5:01 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > Hi Jim, > > It's not just hybrid & electric vehicles. Some newer conventional cars > shut the engine off during idle to save fuel. There's a sensor inline > with the battery neg terminal to measure charge & discharge rates to > prevent the start-stop algorithm from causing a dead battery. If you > connect direct to the battery, you will confuse the sensor. From Mundschenk55 at msn.com Mon Sep 12 21:15:05 2016 From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 01:15:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Trump's a bigot - Hillary's a crook!! Message-ID: Now that I have your attention - off topic subjects get the most airtime it seems.... Here is an on-topic question - thanks!! I currently feed a powered speaker with the constant line output of my K3. I can individually adjust that speaker's volume locally and the HP volume on the K3. I'm contemplating the purchase of an SP-3. As this speaker is unpowered, I will have to use the K3 power amp and am afraid that I will lose the individual volume control versatility I have. If this is the case - would it be possible to repurpose the sub-rx (I don't have one) AF gain "ring" to control the speaker amp level. My understanding is that the speaker out and HP out's are fed by separate DAC's. Thanks, Russ KD4JO From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 12 22:31:53 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:31:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501d20d66$fe0fa870$fa2ef950$@biz> Wow! This discussion reinforces my decision to keep my 20+ year old cars on the road. But, isn't the issue making sure the radio can never provide a path for current from the "-" terminal on the battery to ground through the radio? 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:53 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount Not necessarily. There is no good reason to bond the radio to the vehicle. It is, however, necessary to have good RF connection at the antenna between the coax shield and the body so that it can act as a counterpoise. That connection could be through a good RF capacitor. In this were done, I see no reason why powering the radio directly from the battery would be problematic, or would interfere with that system. Also, it seems to me that the system you describe is only viable with electric or hybrid vehicles. There are other significantly greater issues with installation of a HF radio in these vehicles. 73, Jim K9YC From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Sep 12 22:40:18 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:40:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <0bc2b708-edc2-6420-cea6-6f453cdcb832@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> <0bc2b708-edc2-6420-cea6-6f453cdcb832@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <0eb652a9-fd32-3a69-6e01-172006b278a1@voodoolab.com> How I understand it is that the sensor is measuring charge/discharge current of the battery. The following assumes the radio is connected directly to the battery terminal: Case 1. If the alternator is running, then current to the radio is passing through the sensor which looks like charging current to the battery. Case 2. If the alternator is not running, then the current to the radio is discharging the battery, but not being registered by the sensor. If instead we connect the radio's negative supply to the chassis ground side of the sensor, then the sensor can correctly measure when the radio is discharging the battery. Caveat: my understanding of this is from the fount of all knowledge, i.e. I read about it on the internet! If I got it wrong, someone please correct. 73, Josh W6XU On 9/12/2016 5:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Thanks Josh. > > To confuse the sensor, it seems to me that the sensor would need to be > built into the battery lug, so that it was between where we could > connect our 12V minus lead and the battery -- i.e., so that our > current was going through it. I was assuming it was on the wire side > of the battery lug. I haven't seen one of these things, so I must > plead ignorance. > > Thanks and 73, Jim From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 12 22:58:56 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:58:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <0eb652a9-fd32-3a69-6e01-172006b278a1@voodoolab.com> References: <37D044B9-0BD4-4FE3-8099-F0B068874AC9@gmail.com> <0bc2b708-edc2-6420-cea6-6f453cdcb832@audiosystemsgroup.com> <0eb652a9-fd32-3a69-6e01-172006b278a1@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: OK. In the absence of learning something different, I agree with your analysis, Josh. One of the great things about sticking your neck out and saying what you think you know is that when you're wrong, folks will tell you about it. :) Thanks! 73, Jim On Mon,9/12/2016 7:40 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > How I understand it is that the sensor is measuring charge/discharge > current of the battery. > > The following assumes the radio is connected directly to the battery > terminal: > > Case 1. If the alternator is running, then current to the radio is > passing through the sensor which looks like charging current to the > battery. > > Case 2. If the alternator is not running, then the current to the > radio is discharging the battery, but not being registered by the sensor. > > If instead we connect the radio's negative supply to the chassis > ground side of the sensor, then the sensor can correctly measure when > the radio is discharging the battery. > > Caveat: my understanding of this is from the fount of all knowledge, > i.e. I read about it on the internet! If I got it wrong, someone > please correct. > > 73, > Josh W6XU > > On 9/12/2016 5:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Thanks Josh. >> >> To confuse the sensor, it seems to me that the sensor would need to >> be built into the battery lug, so that it was between where we could >> connect our 12V minus lead and the battery -- i.e., so that our >> current was going through it. I was assuming it was on the wire side >> of the battery lug. I haven't seen one of these things, so I must >> plead ignorance. >> >> Thanks and 73, Jim > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 12 23:06:25 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Mode Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, Are you driving your audio level correctly. With the K3S (or K3 or KX3 or KX2) you need to set the soundcard level and the line in level so you have 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with possibly the 5th bar flickering. Then adjust the power output to the desired level with the power knob. This is essential for the K3S to maintain good power control. Power control will be erratic if you do otherwise. Ignore the common internet advice to set the power to maximum and use the audio level to control the power - that just does not work with the K3S because its power control mechanism is different than other transceivers. As far as the "No ALC" internet advice goes, for the K3S, the onset of ALC is at the 5th bar, so 4 bars is actually the No ALC point. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the audio level - sort of like a VU Meter. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/12/2016 8:41 PM, Tom Richardson wrote: > I bought a new K3S two weeks ago, and I am trying to learn how to use > it. I apologize if the answer to this issue is obvious, but it isn't > obvious to me. > > I am trying to use the K3S in data mode (JT65 or AFSK). I have the > DATA MD set to DATA A, MIC SEL to LInE In, MODE to DATA, and LINE > input gain to 10. Everything seems to work until I try to increase the > power output beyond 12 watts. At 13 watts and beyond, the power > abruptly drops down to one or two watts. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 12 23:24:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Mode Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, Another thought - take a look at the DC voltage in the VFO B alternate display. If your voltage is dropping much below 12.5 volts, that might be the problem. Should that be the problem, check your power supply output, it should be 13.8 volts or higher - preferably 14.3 volts or more. All power supply connections should be tight to reduce voltage drop. Run the power cable directly from the power supply to the K3. If you use a "Rigrunner" or similar DC distribution device, use it for powering accessories and not the K3. A fused Rigrunner introduces at least 4 points of contacts, each of which can contribute to voltage drops. Is this a K3S/100 or a K3S/10? If it is a K3S/100 then the switchover from low power to the KPA3 occurs above 12 watts. Check that the circuit breaker on the back of the KPA3 is not in a tripped condition. If all checks out OK and you still have problems, contact K3support at elecraft.com for some additional ideas. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/12/2016 8:41 PM, Tom Richardson wrote: > I bought a new K3S two weeks ago, and I am trying to learn how to use > it. I apologize if the answer to this issue is obvious, but it isn't > obvious to me. > > I am trying to use the K3S in data mode (JT65 or AFSK). I have the > DATA MD set to DATA A, MIC SEL to LInE In, MODE to DATA, and LINE > input gain to 10. Everything seems to work until I try to increase the > power output beyond 12 watts. At 13 watts and beyond, the power > abruptly drops down to one or two watts. > > From thelastdb at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 23:29:33 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (thelastdb) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:29:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount Message-ID: ?I was once a 2-way radio tech and have installed over 1000 business band radios (yes, over one thousand) in my 15 or so years career. One thing we, the companies I've worked for, was NEVER to run a dedicated ground wire to the battery. We used a short ground wire from the radio and the local vehicle chassis.? From the 100W Motrac/Mastr II/SyntorX (and many others) all used the chassis as a return path. Only once did I have a problem. Once a Low band unit (39MHz) with a magnetic mount (NMO-40) came back because the excess ground wire was coiled into a nice inductor. (I installed that one). Caused all sorts of RFI in the broadcast radio etc. Just a data point on thousands and thousands of industrial, commercial and public safety radio installs out there doing it that way. Myron WV?HPrinted on Recycled Data?-------- Original message --------From: Jim Brown Date: 9/12/2016 8:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount OK.? In the absence of learning something different, I agree with your analysis, Josh.? One of the great things about sticking your neck out and saying what you think you know is that when you're wrong, folks will tell you about it. :) Thanks! 73, Jim On Mon,9/12/2016 7:40 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > How I understand it is that the sensor is measuring charge/discharge > current of the battery. > > The following assumes the radio is connected directly to the battery > terminal: > > Case 1. If the alternator is running, then current to the radio is > passing through the sensor which looks like charging current to the > battery. > > Case 2. If the alternator is not running, then the current to the > radio is discharging the battery, but not being registered by the sensor. > > If instead we connect the radio's negative supply to the chassis > ground side of the sensor, then the sensor can correctly measure when > the radio is discharging the battery. > > Caveat: my understanding of this is from the fount of all knowledge, > i.e. I read about it on the internet! If I got it wrong, someone > please correct. > > 73, > Josh W6XU > > On 9/12/2016 5:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Thanks Josh. >> >> To confuse the sensor, it seems to me that the sensor would need to >> be built into the battery lug, so that it was between where we could >> connect our 12V minus lead and the battery -- i.e., so that our >> current was going through it.? I was assuming it was on the wire side >> of the battery lug. I haven't seen one of these things, so I must >> plead ignorance. >> >> Thanks and 73, Jim > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 13 00:05:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 00:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Myron, Good points. For those who choose not to trust the conductivity of the vehicle chassis local ground point, run the negative wire to a point on the vehicle chassis near the point where the battery to chassis ground wire is mounted - but not to the battery terminal itself nor the battery to chassis cable mounting point. Create a new ground point near the battery to chassis wire and bite into the metal with an adequate star washer for a low resistance connection - no fuse in the negative wire. This is the recommendation of W8JI Tom Rauch who has also installed many mobile radio systems (commercial and amateur). See http://www.w8ji.com/mobile_ground.htm as has been mentioned previously. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/12/2016 11:29 PM, thelastdb wrote: > I was once a 2-way radio tech and have installed over 1000 business band radios (yes, over one thousand) in my 15 or so years career. One thing we, the companies I've worked for, was NEVER to run a dedicated ground wire to the battery. We used a short ground wire from the radio and the local vehicle chassis. > From the 100W Motrac/Mastr II/SyntorX (and many others) all used the chassis as a return path. Only once did I have a problem. Once a Low band unit (39MHz) with a magnetic mount (NMO-40) came back because the excess ground wire was coiled into a nice inductor. (I installed that one). Caused all sorts of RFI in the broadcast radio etc. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Sep 13 00:23:35 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:23:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vehicle mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0271f099-f63d-e112-183b-09e95cf99bd2@audiosystemsgroup.com> VHF/UHF is a VERY different animal with respect to RFI to and from a vehicle's electronics. Using the vehicle's chassis as the return for power is a recipe for serious problems. Yes, it carries DC just fine, but it forms a BIG loop that is a sitting duck for all the RF trash in the vehicle. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,9/12/2016 8:29 PM, thelastdb wrote: > I was once a 2-way radio tech and have installed over 1000 business > band radios (yes, over one thousand) in my 15 or so years career. One > thing we, the companies I've worked for, was NEVER to run a dedicated > ground wire to the battery. We used a short ground wire from the radio > and the local vehicle chassis. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Sep 13 03:54:18 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:54:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount Message-ID: <201609130754.u8D7sJjr007991@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Very timely discussion as I am installing my KX3 into a 2015 truck. I already installed a new Alinco DR-735T. Temporarily using a dc accessory plug for power and not running low RF output as the dc plug wiring is not large enough for the current required for 50w (dc outlet is clearly provided for charging cell phones or other low current devices). But I bought some No. 8awg wire to run from the battery to a power distribution connector (which I already installed). Per the w8ji article I should run the No. 8 negative wire to a chassis ground in proximity to the battery ground (but not directly to the battery neg terminal). I can do that. However the DR-735T power cord has both pos and neg lead fuses. Should I eliminate the neg fuse for the radio? (and on all neg lines to each radio component I am installing?). I have a main fuse for the pos lead that will be connected at the battery, plus each radio item has individual fuses on pos leads rated for their current draw. Equipment location is about 12 feet from the battery (crew cab pickup) so that is a lot chassis for current to flow thru, so I feel running a dedicated neg wire to the engine compartment chassis is better than a short ground wire to nearby chassis (which would have to be on exterior of the cab as there is no exposed metal in the interior). That would be subject to corrosion from exposure. Under hood chassis is better protected from direct exposure to the elements (I live in an area where road salt is applied in winter). BTW I recall installing the trunk mount 50w and 100w VHF MOT radios that used the chassis ground wire. Also recall installs in 24v ground-start heavy equipment (D8's, frontloaders, and roadgraders). We installed high current steering diodes to prevent 24v flowing thru the radio ground. I will be mounting the KX3 at the dash of my F250 Ford using a combination or RAM mounts and ProClip dash bracket. I will have photos and description on my website in a few days to show that. My KX3 has add on heat sink which makes the exterior dimension 3/4 inch higher, so the std RAM mount is not able to accommodate this. I am using some HB 1/8-inch thick aluminum tabs to extend the RAM mounting "fingers" which might be of interest to others with this predicament. 73, Ed - KL7UW ---------------- From: Fred Moore To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Brian, if you run the negative lead all the way to the battery (direct) fuse the lead close to the battery. If you run the negative lead to point that ends in a frame ground do not fuse the negative lead. This does not conflict with standard automotive manufacture recommendations. Also carefully read almost all manufactures installations it says run the leads to the battery, and they provide two fuses on in the positive and negative lead. I have not seen an installation manual in years that didn't say directly to the battery.. Tom W8JI has some good explanations on they why's and how this came to be http://www.w8ji.com/mobile_ground.htm Regards.. Fred 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Sep 13 04:29:47 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 00:29:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Soon to be an Elecraft(er)! Message-ID: <201609130829.u8D8TmK2027687@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I initially bought a K3/10 (10w version) in 2010, which I really like and is the prime radio used for eme with transverters. But I originally had both a FT-847 (very good for VHF & UHF, but lousy on HF) and a FT-817 (bought primarily to use portable on 144 with my mw equipment but also got used for satellite and local FM). I never used it on HF much. When the KX3 came out I looked it over as candidate to replace the FT-817. The 2M module helped to convince me. I now use it a lot for 6m, finding its internal preamp makes it at least equal to the K3+PR6. I also use it on HF as much as I use the K3. My final piece of equipment is the KXPA-100 which I can use with either radio. I recently used the KX3+KXPA-100 on 6m during the ARRL VHF Contest, while I ran my K3 with 144 and 222 transverters and separate amplifiers. the KX3 sitting on 6m lets me monitor for openings while using the K3 doing other stuff. Latest project is installing both KX3 and KXPA-100 wiring into my new F250 Ford truck. Install is designed for rapid install or removal of the equipment with permanent wiring in the truck. Normally still use both in the shack. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From charlestropp at yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 06:31:27 2016 From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Trump's a bigot - Hillary's a crook!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1835667349.216601.1473762687455@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Russ, I am not sure what problem you perceive in the failure of the SP3 to amplify it's signal allowing you to individually change it's volume setting. As some say, "this is a feature - not a bug" as it prevents possible RFI interference from a nearby transmitted signal. Volume on the K3 is controlled by the AF knob. Is this not all you need? I mostly work CW and use my headphones for that purpose. But sometimes, I am doing something else and would rather just listen to the speaker. I rarely adjust he AF knob and yet, I can hear CW throughout the house when the speaker is on. I use my K Pod to instantly switch between headphones only or headphones and speaker. All this is controlled by the ?configuration menu settings. ?I think you will enjoy the SP3 Russ, and if you buy two you can have stereo! ?73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org On Monday, September 12, 2016 9:17 PM, Russ wrote: Now that I have your attention - off topic subjects get the most airtime it seems.... Here is an on-topic question - thanks!! I currently feed a powered speaker with the constant line output of my K3. I can individually adjust that speaker's volume locally and the HP volume on the K3. I'm contemplating the purchase of an SP-3.? As this speaker is unpowered, I will have to use the K3 power amp and am afraid that I will lose the individual volume control versatility I have. If this is the case - would it be possible to repurpose the sub-rx (I don't have one) AF gain "ring" to control the speaker amp level.? My understanding is that the speaker out and HP out's are fed by separate DAC's. Thanks, Russ KD4JO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 13 07:26:09 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:26:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount In-Reply-To: <201609130754.u8D7sJjr007991@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201609130754.u8D7sJjr007991@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Ed, Yes, eliminate the fuse in the negative wire and ground it to the chassis near the point where the battery negative is grounded. Consider that the radio will also be grounded by the connection of the coax shield to the chassis. If the negative power lead is fused and that fuse opens, current can still flow to the radio, but by a very circuitous path and that is not 'goodness' . 73, Don W3FPR On 9/13/2016 3:54 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > But I bought some No. 8awg wire to run from the battery to a power > distribution connector (which I already installed). Per the w8ji > article I should run the No. 8 negative wire to a chassis ground in > proximity to the battery ground (but not directly to the battery neg > terminal). > > I can do that. However the DR-735T power cord has both pos and neg > lead fuses. Should I eliminate the neg fuse for the radio? (and on > all neg lines to each radio component I am installing?). I have a main > fuse for the pos lead that will be connected at the battery, plus each > radio item has individual fuses on pos leads rated for their current > draw. From r.tristani at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 08:53:53 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:53:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From cautery at montac.com Tue Sep 13 09:11:07 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:11:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am pretty much a cabling/connector freak. I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and becoming more common/standard as time passes. Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. > > Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V > r.tristani at gmail.com > https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ > https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From Mundschenk55 at msn.com Tue Sep 13 09:12:06 2016 From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:12:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Independent headphone and speaker volume Message-ID: All: I understand the potential RFI issues and in fact have had to try different grounding schemes and #31 ferrites to eliminate the issue with my powered speaker. Call it a personal preference but when another person is in the shack and I want to use headphones, it is nice to have individual control of the speaker and HP. I could always add an amp to the SP3??. I?ll just order an Elecraft knob for the pot? Russ KD4JO PS - Back to the original thread name ? From: Charles R.Tropp [mailto:charlestropp at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:31 AM To: Russ ; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Trump's a bigot - Hillary's a crook!! Hi Russ, I am not sure what problem you perceive in the failure of the SP3 to amplify it's signal allowing you to individually change it's volume setting. As some say, "this is a feature - not a bug" as it prevents possible RFI interference from a nearby transmitted signal. Volume on the K3 is controlled by the AF knob. Is this not all you need? I mostly work CW and use my headphones for that purpose. But sometimes, I am doing something else and would rather just listen to the speaker. I rarely adjust he AF knob and yet, I can hear CW throughout the house when the speaker is on. I use my K Pod to instantly switch between headphones only or headphones and speaker. All this is controlled by the configuration menu settings. I think you will enjoy the SP3 Russ, and if you buy two you can have stereo! 73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. http://QCWA.org On Monday, September 12, 2016 9:17 PM, Russ > wrote: Now that I have your attention - off topic subjects get the most airtime it seems.... Here is an on-topic question - thanks!! I currently feed a powered speaker with the constant line output of my K3. I can individually adjust that speaker's volume locally and the HP volume on the K3. I'm contemplating the purchase of an SP-3. As this speaker is unpowered, I will have to use the K3 power amp and am afraid that I will lose the individual volume control versatility I have. If this is the case - would it be possible to repurpose the sub-rx (I don't have one) AF gain "ring" to control the speaker amp level. My understanding is that the speaker out and HP out's are fed by separate DAC's. Thanks, Russ KD4JO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:20:05 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:20:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps something is wrong in the assembly of your Power Poles? Mine are secure enough to pull the K3 across the desk using the power cable and have never been an issue. 73 Ken - K0PP From detrick at merzhaus.org Tue Sep 13 09:29:29 2016 From: detrick at merzhaus.org (Detrick Merz) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:29:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same experience as Ken (dragging gear around by the power cords), but I know of others who seem to have trouble getting PP connectors to stay stuck. It would be interesting to find out why they seem so solid for some people, and so unreliable for others. For reference, I tend to crimp my PP connectors (although I've soldered a few, too), and I never bother with roll pins, super glue, or anything other than the natural friction to hold the black/red housings in a pair, or anything other than friction to keep them plugged in. I plug them in end-to-end as well as into a homebrew PP distribution block. Sometimes they're near impossible to get out of the distribution block! -detrick KI4STU On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Perhaps something is wrong in the assembly of your Power Poles? > > Mine are secure enough to pull the K3 across the desk using the power cable > and have never been an issue. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to detrick at merzhaus.org > From r.tristani at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:32:36 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:32:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken: Maybe there is. When my K3 arrived more than 5 years ago, it was my first experience with Power Poles. I actually soldered the connections inside, yet it is so easy to pull them and separate them from the radio that scares me always thinking that the connection is not solid. Tell me, how do you manage to pull the cable, radio and all, without disconnecting the power poles? Please share. Ramon > On Sep 13, 2016, at 09:20, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Perhaps something is wrong in the assembly of your Power Poles? > > Mine are secure enough to pull the K3 across the desk using the power cable > and have never been an issue. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:41:39 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:41:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <284df68b-23b1-ff85-8c53-7f418059fc4b@embarqmail.com> One of the reasons some have trouble with APP connectors is that they have not been properly assembled. If you look at the end of an APP and can see the spring finger as well as the contact blade, it has not been properly assembled. Give the contact blade a push from the wire side until the contact blade locks over the spring finger. If it will not lock, there may be solder on the contact blade preventing it from being fully inserted - remove the contact blade and either cut off the solder with a sharp knife or replace the contact blade. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/13/2016 9:29 AM, Detrick Merz wrote: > I have the same experience as Ken (dragging gear around by the power > cords), but I know of others who seem to have trouble getting PP connectors > to stay stuck. It would be interesting to find out why they seem so solid > for some people, and so unreliable for others. > > From r.tristani at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:46:01 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:46:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <284df68b-23b1-ff85-8c53-7f418059fc4b@embarqmail.com> References: <284df68b-23b1-ff85-8c53-7f418059fc4b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don: Thanks. I will inspect the connector carefully and if necessary I will replace it. Thanks to all for the good advice. Ramon > On Sep 13, 2016, at 09:41, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > One of the reasons some have trouble with APP connectors is that they have not been properly assembled. > If you look at the end of an APP and can see the spring finger as well as the contact blade, it has not been properly assembled. Give the contact blade a push from the wire side until the contact blade locks over the spring finger. > If it will not lock, there may be solder on the contact blade preventing it from being fully inserted - remove the contact blade and either cut off the solder with a sharp knife or replace the contact blade. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/13/2016 9:29 AM, Detrick Merz wrote: >> I have the same experience as Ken (dragging gear around by the power >> cords), but I know of others who seem to have trouble getting PP connectors >> to stay stuck. It would be interesting to find out why they seem so solid >> for some people, and so unreliable for others. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From bob.novas at verizon.net Tue Sep 13 09:49:17 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:49:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <058101d20dc5$9f93fd00$debbf700$@verizon.net> I have assembled power poles incorrectly and noticed that they didn't "stick". However, when I assemble them correctly, they stick great and like Ken and Detrick said, I can drag my K3S around by the power cord. You have to be really careful to assemble them with the correct orientation of the metal insert to the plastic case. I crimp the metal insert to the wire - this results in a good gas-tight seal with no excess. The insert has to go all the way into the housing. Again, if you assemble them correctly, they work great. If you don't assemble them properly, they do not work well at all. Bob - W3DK From mwdink at yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 10:08:11 2016 From: mwdink at yahoo.com (Michael Dinkelman) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount References: <1681391037.1756849.1473775691650.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1681391037.1756849.1473775691650@mail.yahoo.com> My KX3 mount in a 2008 Tacoma 7th District QSO Party 2016 with KX3 The Amp is on the hump in the back Access cab portion. | | | | | | | | | | | 7th District QSO Party 2016 with KX3 19 new photos added to shared album | | | | From: Edward R Cole To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount Very timely discussion as I am installing my KX3 into a 2015 truck. I already installed a new Alinco DR-735T.? Temporarily using a dc accessory plug for power and not running low RF output as the dc plug wiring is not large enough for the current required for 50w (dc outlet is clearly provided for charging cell phones or other low current devices). But I bought some No. 8awg wire to run from the battery to a power distribution connector (which I already installed).? Per the w8ji article I should run the No. 8 negative wire to a chassis ground in proximity to the battery ground (but not directly to the battery neg terminal). I can do that.? However the DR-735T power cord has both pos and neg lead fuses.? Should I eliminate the neg fuse for the radio? (and on all neg lines to each radio component I am installing?).? I have a main fuse for the pos lead that will be connected at the battery, plus each radio item has individual fuses on pos leads rated for their current draw. Equipment location is about 12 feet from the battery (crew cab pickup) so that is a lot chassis for current to flow thru, so I feel running a dedicated neg wire to the engine compartment chassis is better than a short ground wire to nearby chassis (which would have to be on exterior of the cab as there is no exposed metal in the interior).? That would be subject to corrosion from exposure.? Under hood chassis is better protected from direct exposure to the elements (I live in an area? where road salt is applied in winter). BTW I recall installing the trunk mount 50w and 100w VHF MOT radios that used the chassis ground wire.? Also recall installs in 24v ground-start heavy equipment (D8's, frontloaders, and roadgraders).? We installed high current steering diodes to prevent 24v flowing thru the radio ground. I will be mounting the KX3 at the dash of my F250 Ford using a combination or RAM mounts and ProClip dash bracket.? I will have photos and description on my website in a few days to show that.? My KX3 has add on heat sink which makes the exterior dimension 3/4 inch higher, so the std RAM mount is not able to accommodate this.? I am using some HB 1/8-inch thick aluminum tabs to extend the RAM mounting "fingers" which might be of interest to others with this predicament. 73, Ed - KL7UW ---------------- From: Fred Moore To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Vehicle mount Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Brian, if you run the negative lead all the way to the battery (direct) fuse the lead close to the battery.? If you run the negative lead to point that ends in a frame ground do not fuse the negative lead.? This does not conflict with standard automotive manufacture recommendations. Also carefully read almost all manufactures installations it says run the leads to the battery, and they provide two fuses on in the positive and negative lead.? I have not seen an installation manual in years that didn't say directly to the battery.. Tom W8JI has some good explanations on they why's and how this came to be http://www.w8ji.com/mobile_ground.htm Regards.. Fred 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com ? ? "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: ? ? dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mwdink at yahoo.com From dave at nk7z.net Tue Sep 13 10:34:32 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:34:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1473777272.4442.7.camel@nk7z.net> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 09:29 -0400, Detrick Merz wrote: > For reference, I tend to crimp my PP connectors (although I've > soldered a few, too), and I never bother with roll pins, super glue, > or anything other than the natural friction to hold the black/red > housings in a pair. As a totally off topic comment, you can save yourself a few cents if you use the stick on a Q-Tip for a roll pin. ?It fits perfectly, and you can remove it easily as well. ? I keep a few Q-Tips in my Power Pole box, and just cut off the cotton ends, and then push the stick in, where the roll pin goes. ?Then much like a coax connector center pin, I cut off the excess. ?Keeps the connectors together, and is removable later. I also never solder my power poles, for fear of creating a really small radius bend point. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Sep 13 11:04:32 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 11:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? Message-ID: For those of you implementing remote operation: what are you using for an IP accessed power switch? I need one port to control station A/C power and another to toggle the K3s power control line on the ACC connector. Since I plan on using Teamviewer to control this I could also use a USB controlled switch instead. Suggestions welcome. Thanks jim ab3cv From r.tristani at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 11:09:24 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 11:09:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <1473777272.4442.7.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1473777272.4442.7.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <00568E54-D233-4DA3-9632-2CD78B903356@gmail.com> I was able to remove both power pole connectors from the power supply cable. Added more tension to the ?tongue?, lifted the spring a little bit and the connectors ?clicked? as before. They are a bit more secure now, not as strong as a solid power connector like the old Kenwood or Icoms ( I say ?old? because I have not seen the new ones for years, being Elecraft-only) but the voltage on the K3 holds steady during the transmit cycle, meaning (to me) that the connection is good enough. I still cannot pull the radio around from the power supply cable, not that I want to anyway. So, thank you all for the recommendations and help. I have always counted on Elecraft and this mail list and always found the needed assistance and guidance. It is good to be part of the ?family?. 73, Ramon, NQ9V > On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:34, Dave Cole wrote: > > On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 09:29 -0400, Detrick Merz wrote: >> For reference, I tend to crimp my PP connectors (although I've >> soldered a few, too), and I never bother with roll pins, super glue, >> or anything other than the natural friction to hold the black/red >> housings in a pair. > > As a totally off topic comment, you can save yourself a few cents if you > use the stick on a Q-Tip for a roll pin. It fits perfectly, and you can > remove it easily as well. > > I keep a few Q-Tips in my Power Pole box, and just cut off the cotton > ends, and then push the stick in, where the roll pin goes. Then much > like a coax connector center pin, I cut off the excess. Keeps the > connectors together, and is removable later. > > I also never solder my power poles, for fear of creating a really small > radius bend point. > > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > For software/hardware reviews see: > http://www.nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From dmoes at nexicom.net Tue Sep 13 11:22:08 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 11:22:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160913152208.6733910.48682.34679@nexicom.net> ?Everyone has their ways. ?Here is my two cents. Everything 12V in my shack including lighting is APP NEVER SOLDER. To many possible issues including that the solder flows so well on those pins its almost impossible to keep it off the contact surface. Also the wire break off easier? Second. For years I used a crimp tool I had. Not really purpose made but seemed OK and folded in the split the way it is intended and had good luck. A few months back when I was doing some changes I borrowed someone's fancy ratcheting Andy crimp tool made for APP. Wow. What a difference. the crimps where way better and easy to get them right. ?? I since bought my own. It was worth it. ? To keep the black and red body sets together I don't pin. But touch one spot on the joint with a solder iron melting a small bit of the plastic and bonding them together. ?? I have never needed to do anything to keep mated connector pairs together. ? The current capacity in my experience is at least if not better than advertised. ? ?I have never had any sign of heating even when running many things at the same time including lights rigs and accessories al through APPs even at the power supply. (single set there too) ? Original Message ? From: Ramon Tristani Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:53 AM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From bbaines at mac.com Tue Sep 13 11:55:59 2016 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 11:55:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92CA410C-140A-4BDD-914E-AD051FEF57D3@mac.com> Jim: The problem with Teamviewer is that if the PC at the ham station hangs up, you?ve lost control. I suggest taking a look at using the West Mountain Radio R4005i which provides five ports for powering equipment (each with its own ?soft fuse?) and is TCP/IP accessible through a web browser. I use three of these at my ham location in Georgia to control various devices, including powering on/off Flex Radios. My K3 is controlled through Remote Rig and a K3/0-Mini. See: http://www.westmountainradio.com/product_info.php?products_id=rr_4005i West Mountain Radio also offers a ?PWR AC Controller? that can power 120VAC devices (up to 15A) using the 12 VDC from the 4005i to turn on/off power to the AC device. See: http://www.westmountainradio.com/product_info.php?products_id=pwr_ac Thus, I can control both DC and AC devices without issues. The web interface can be remotely accessed (through port forwarding); one can define the HTTP port as well as the TCP/IP local address, as well as define a login name and password for each R4005i. Since the 4005i is web-accessible, I can access each 4005i independently via web browser on a PC/Mac, tablet, or smart phone as well as reconfigure the 4005i as necessary. Hope this helps, Barry, WD4ASW Westborough, MA > On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > For those of you implementing remote operation: what are you using for an > IP accessed power switch? I need one port to control station A/C power and > another to toggle the K3s power control line on the ACC connector. > > Since I plan on using Teamviewer to control this I could also use a USB > controlled switch instead. > > Suggestions welcome. > > Thanks > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Sep 13 12:07:34 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:07:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Jump starter system for K3 portable power? In-Reply-To: <894507334.31261.1473727759809@mail.yahoo.com> References: <894507334.31261.1473727759809.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <894507334.31261.1473727759809@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, I don't know if you will find something that meets all your requirements. Perhaps you will need to modify something that has the hardware you want. In my limited exposure to jump starters, I have found that the data is sometimes vague. I have had the same brand be both good, and sorry. I have also found unusual sized gel-cells within. So I want to consider battery replacement. There are 'boat' batteries that are a compromise for both deep cycle and starting. They come with some weight, and charging considerations. I will be interested in the replies you receive. Dick, n0ce On 9/12/2016 7:49 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > I'm looking for one of those hand carried jump starter/ portable power units for occasional field use for my K3 plus the rare car jump start in a pinch. From r.tristani at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 12:27:22 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:27:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Jump starter system for K3 portable power? In-Reply-To: <894507334.31261.1473727759809@mail.yahoo.com> References: <894507334.31261.1473727759809.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <894507334.31261.1473727759809@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bought one of these: http://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-1-portable-power-pack-with-jump-start-62747.html Seems to be more than enough to fill up tires, drive AC power tools and feed some 12 volt equipment within its ratings. I don?t know if this is exactly what you want or need but for its purpose it has worked just fine for me. Ramon, NQ9V > On Sep 12, 2016, at 20:49, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > > I'm looking for one of those hand carried jump starter/ portable power units for occasional field use for my K3 plus the rare car jump start in a pinch. Ultimately I would like it to have a replaceable battery, real three state charger that allows it to be plugged in at all times, high current output lugs (not just 12v jack), built in jumper cables, light enough to carry short distances, made in USA! OK that's a tall order! Do you know of a brand and model that covers many or most of these requirements? MOST of the dozens on Amazon do not appear to have the quality I prefer and are throw away, consumer grade units. I do like the looks of the Schumacher ProSeries chargers (22 amp hours or so). If I fail in my quest I'll consider a West Mountain Radio setup that I can lug out to the car if necessary for field use, camping, jump starting etc.. The up side is that Power Poles are standard! PS: I am aware of the amp-hours vs. power output vs. operating time vs. weight aspect of making a selection. I believe not getting a hernia will ultimately define the capacity of whichever unit I choose! Thanks for reading! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From ar at dseven.org Tue Sep 13 12:38:08 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:38:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > For those of you implementing remote operation: what are you using for an > IP accessed power switch? I need one port to control station A/C power and > another to toggle the K3s power control line on the ACC connector. I use an old ("telnet" interface) WTI Network Power Switch that I rescued from a recycle pile. Digital Loggers Inc make a good/inexpensive "Web Power Switch". For powering-on the K3 via ACC pin 8, I use a RS232 port on an onsite PC, with the same simple circuit used for FSK keying. 73, ~iain / N6ML From va3mw at portcredit.net Tue Sep 13 12:43:55 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:43:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bought a pile of these at $20 US each. http://www.digital-loggers.com/iot.html I drive them with PI's or just about anything. It takes any logic from +3V to 120Vac to control them. I found that all the other options are great, but very very expensive for what they are. Mike va3mw On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:38 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > For those of you implementing remote operation: what are you using for an > > IP accessed power switch? I need one port to control station A/C power > and > > another to toggle the K3s power control line on the ACC connector. > > I use an old ("telnet" interface) WTI Network Power Switch that I > rescued from a recycle pile. Digital Loggers Inc make a > good/inexpensive "Web Power Switch". > > For powering-on the K3 via ACC pin 8, I use a RS232 port on an onsite > PC, with the same simple circuit used for FSK keying. > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From crustacean at brig-elec.com Tue Sep 13 12:49:26 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:49:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. KD8CIV On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: > I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am > pretty much a cabling/connector freak. > > I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and > becoming more common/standard as time passes. > > Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole > does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. > > If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never > have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to > satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. > > And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > > The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. > > > > Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V > > r.tristani at gmail.com > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ > > https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Sep 13 13:02:06 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:02:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx Message-ID: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> Working to get WSJT 1.7 alpha running with my K3S. I saw some other posts but found no solution. I can Rx just fine, just cannot Tx. Pressing TUNE on the K3S gives Red TX LED and obvious Tx evidence from display with ATU TUNE enabled. Settings:Radio are Rig Elecraft K3/KX3, COM 7 (correct for my rig), Baud Rtae 38400, Data Bits 8, Stop Bit 2, Handshake None, DTR/RTS blank, PTT Method CAT, Mode USB, Split Operation Fake-it, Poll Interval 1s. Band Hopping enabled, with CAT working fine it seems. The Settings: Radio tab give a Green CAT and Red PTT when tested. But no sign of power out, even though TX LED lights on K3S. MIC is adjusted to 23 such that USB voice gives ALC to 4 with occasional spikes to 5. Increasing MIC while WSJT-X is TX'ing doesn't budge ALC. I must be overlooking some K3S setting (as usual). Appreciate some help! Thanks, 73s, Bret/N2SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Sep 13 15:54:21 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:54:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> References: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> Message-ID: You must place the terminal into the guide with the flaps up. I use tweezers to rotate it a few degrees clockwise so that the upper dies will not catch the left flap as it closes. Now insert the stripped wire till it stops and crimp. Should work every time. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM, John Pitz wrote: > > On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I > remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty > similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success > crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I > have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. > With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to > extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do > manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to > push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip > cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something > really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is > always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. > > KD8CIV > > >> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: >> >> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >> >> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >> >> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >> >> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >> >> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >>> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>> >>> Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>> r.tristani at gmail.com >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k9yeq at live.com Tue Sep 13 15:58:59 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If there isn't a solid click which putting the wire connectors into the holder, the mating plugs won't stay together, at least in my experience. Also, soldering can interfere with proper mating to the shell and both connectors as well. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Detrick Merz Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:29 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles I have the same experience as Ken (dragging gear around by the power cords), but I know of others who seem to have trouble getting PP connectors to stay stuck. It would be interesting to find out why they seem so solid for some people, and so unreliable for others. For reference, I tend to crimp my PP connectors (although I've soldered a few, too), and I never bother with roll pins, super glue, or anything other than the natural friction to hold the black/red housings in a pair, or anything other than friction to keep them plugged in. I plug them in end-to-end as well as into a homebrew PP distribution block. Sometimes they're near impossible to get out of the distribution block! -detrick KI4STU On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Perhaps something is wrong in the assembly of your Power Poles? > > Mine are secure enough to pull the K3 across the desk using the power > cable and have never been an issue. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > detrick at merzhaus.org > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Sep 13 16:58:03 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006401d20e01$854b81c0$8fe28540$@biz> I believe the "click" Detrick refers to is when you insert the contacts into the connector housing. There's a nice document on-line showing the proper way to assemble them if you are "rolling your own" or need to check what you have. Notice the cutaway view on page 3. It shows the spring contact in the proper position in the housing. When inserting it in the housing you'll hear a "click" as the spring drops into place to hold the contact. Looking at the end of the assembled connector, you should see the contact in place covering the spring. If it isn't in that position, the contact will slide back reducing the surface area (and so increasing the heating and voltage drop) until it fails to make contact at all. Also, those connectors come apart with little or no force. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Public%20Service/TrainingModules/Technical/An derson%20powerpole.pdf I did a quick pull test on a sample of 1 (Elecraft assembled) power cord and my K3 rear panel pp connector using a spring gage. It requires about 4 lb (roughly 1.8 kg) to of pull straight back on the connector to separate them. This is a power cord and K3 that have seen lots of use. It's tight enough I can slide the K3/100 around on the desk top by the cable if I don't jerk on it. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:59 PM To: 'Detrick Merz'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles If there isn't a solid click which putting the wire connectors into the holder, the mating plugs won't stay together, at least in my experience. Also, soldering can interfere with proper mating to the shell and both connectors as well. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Detrick Merz Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:29 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles I have the same experience as Ken (dragging gear around by the power cords), but I know of others who seem to have trouble getting PP connectors to stay stuck. It would be interesting to find out why they seem so solid for some people, and so unreliable for others. For reference, I tend to crimp my PP connectors (although I've soldered a few, too), and I never bother with roll pins, super glue, or anything other than the natural friction to hold the black/red housings in a pair, or anything other than friction to keep them plugged in. I plug them in end-to-end as well as into a homebrew PP distribution block. Sometimes they're near impossible to get out of the distribution block! -detrick KI4STU On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Perhaps something is wrong in the assembly of your Power Poles? > > Mine are secure enough to pull the K3 across the desk using the power > cable and have never been an issue. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > detrick at merzhaus.org > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Sep 13 17:03:51 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:03:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: <201609132103.u8DL3pPR024431@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Not going to get into pro-cons of PP but I have encountered issues trying to use No.10 zip cord from Powerwerx. Not a fault of the wire but insulation size is too big for many connectors. Wire is great from them - just wish shipping was cheaper. So I ended up using a short piece of No. 12 installed in the connector and splicing the No.12 to the No.10 wire. You can use yellow butt splices which crimp or do as I prefer, which is doing a soldered lap junction covered with heat shrink. Voltage drop in a couple inches of the smaller gauge wire is insignificant (probably unmeasurable) but make life easier when assembling high-current power cords. BTW the old four pin mic connector remains my power connector of choice. The are cheap and do not separate as they have threaded collar. Use male pins in the panel receptacle and female pins in the plug. I found a source of them from MCM Electronics. That is what I installed as Power/PTT connector on my 2M80 2m linear amps. Supplied with 4-foot of No.10 red/black zip to reduce voltage drop when drawing 15 amps. My fancy-dancy plastic power connector failed on my DEMI transverter so I installed a 4-pin mic jack and plug. Unit is working great, again. Original socket melted under current load for the 50w transverter. DEMI now uses something different with no issues seen by me with those. The units using the black connector dated from 2010-11. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: John Pitz To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? =snip 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Sep 13 17:07:45 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:07:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> References: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <006501d20e02$e00a4aa0$a01edfe0$@biz> FWIW, rather than invest in crimpers and practice as needed to get great crimps, I simply solder the wires into the terminals as recommended by Wayne. I place the terminals over the bare ends and solder, filling the part you might crimp with solder. It's useful to align the terminals correctly so they slide right into the PP housing when done. Also, be sure you do not get solder on the terminal contacts. Some builders like to hold the wires vertically with a vice to prevent soldering from flowing onto the contact area. I've had no problems over the past 12 years or so using the PP connectors -- all but a very few are soldered. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Pitz Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:49 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. KD8CIV On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: > I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am > pretty much a cabling/connector freak. > > I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and > becoming more common/standard as time passes. > > Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole > does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. > > If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never > have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to > satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. > > And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > > The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. > > > > Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V > > r.tristani at gmail.com > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ > > > > https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > crustacean at brig-elec.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Sep 13 17:42:36 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:42:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> Vital detail omitted - I'm using WSPR-2 as the mode. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622443.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n3wg at pignology.net Tue Sep 13 17:58:54 2016 From: n3wg at pignology.net (Nick Garner) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:58:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Macro Maker Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I had an idea pop into my head over the weekend to put together an application to help with the composition of macros for use with Elecraft radios. Here's the result: http://pignology.net/emm 73, Nick N3WG From gkidder at ilstu.edu Tue Sep 13 18:08:02 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <006501d20e02$e00a4aa0$a01edfe0$@biz> References: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> <006501d20e02$e00a4aa0$a01edfe0$@biz> Message-ID: Completely agree! Soldering is effective, cheap and reliable if done right - as is crimping, bar the cost of the tool. W3HBM On 9/13/2016 5:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > FWIW, rather than invest in crimpers and practice as needed to get great crimps, I simply solder the wires into the terminals as recommended by Wayne. > > I place the terminals over the bare ends and solder, filling the part you might crimp with solder. It's useful to align the terminals correctly so they slide right into the PP housing when done. Also, be sure you do not get solder on the terminal contacts. Some builders like to hold the wires vertically with a vice to prevent soldering from flowing onto the contact area. > > I've had no problems over the past 12 years or so using the PP connectors -- all but a very few are soldered. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Pitz > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:49 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles > > On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. > With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. > > KD8CIV > > > On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: > >> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >> >> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >> >> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >> >> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >> >> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>> >>> Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>> r.tristani at gmail.com >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>> >>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> crustacean at brig-elec.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From ron at cobi.biz Tue Sep 13 18:32:39 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:32:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Macro Maker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01d20e0e$bca9eeb0$35fdcc10$@biz> Neat! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nick Garner Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:59 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Macro Maker Hi Everyone, I had an idea pop into my head over the weekend to put together an application to help with the composition of macros for use with Elecraft radios. Here's the result: http://pignology.net/emm 73, Nick N3WG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Sep 13 18:46:52 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:46:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <201609132103.u8DL3pPR024431@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201609132103.u8DL3pPR024431@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I've done a lot of these. The simple solution is to strip enough of the insulation so that the completed pin fits into the housing. Also -- "zip cord" is a lousy choice for use in a ham station. Twisted pair is FAR better, because it inherently resists RF coupling. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,9/13/2016 2:03 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Not going to get into pro-cons of PP but I have encountered issues > trying to use No.10 zip cord from Powerwerx. Not a fault of the wire > but insulation size is too big for many connectors. Wire is great from > them - just wish shipping was cheaper. From r.tristani at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 18:48:39 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> <006501d20e02$e00a4aa0$a01edfe0$@biz> Message-ID: Hello all: David, K6SBA, most graciously shared the solution with me. Powerwerx (see their website) sells a plastic clip that ties the mating connectors together, preventing them from slipping apart and disconnecting. The clip can be easily removed if needed. I just ordered a few of the clips for my installation. Now, that? a solution! Thank you again David! You made my day! Ramon, NQ9V > On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, George Kidder wrote: > > Completely agree! Soldering is effective, cheap and reliable if done right - as is crimping, bar the cost of the tool. > > W3HBM > > > On 9/13/2016 5:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> FWIW, rather than invest in crimpers and practice as needed to get great crimps, I simply solder the wires into the terminals as recommended by Wayne. >> >> I place the terminals over the bare ends and solder, filling the part you might crimp with solder. It's useful to align the terminals correctly so they slide right into the PP housing when done. Also, be sure you do not get solder on the terminal contacts. Some builders like to hold the wires vertically with a vice to prevent soldering from flowing onto the contact area. >> >> I've had no problems over the past 12 years or so using the PP connectors -- all but a very few are soldered. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Pitz >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:49 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles >> >> On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. >> With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. >> >> KD8CIV >> >> >> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: >> >>> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >>> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >>> >>> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >>> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >>> >>> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >>> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >>> >>> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >>> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >>> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >>> >>> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>> MONTAC Enterprises >>> (318) 518-1389 >>> >>> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>>> >>>> Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>>> r.tristani at gmail.com >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>>> >>>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> crustacean at brig-elec.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From kd0kji at centurylink.net Tue Sep 13 19:56:38 2016 From: kd0kji at centurylink.net (Al Samson) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> References: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> Message-ID: There is a connect for ten gage wire. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:49 AM, John Pitz wrote: > > On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I > remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty > similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success > crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I > have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. > With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to > extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do > manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to > push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip > cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something > really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is > always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. > > KD8CIV > > >> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: >> >> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >> >> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >> >> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >> >> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >> >> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >>> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>> >>> Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>> r.tristani at gmail.com >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kd0kji at centurylink.net From danki6x at socal.rr.com Tue Sep 13 22:01:43 2016 From: danki6x at socal.rr.com (Dan Violette) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: <031901d20e2b$f0e5f2b0$d2b1d810$@socal.rr.com> And there are retention clips. I have a couple black ones that came with some order at one time (RigRunner I think). https://powerwerx.com/powerpole-connector-retention-clip Dan KI6X ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:53:53 -0400 From: Ramon Tristani To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 13 22:41:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:41:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <031901d20e2b$f0e5f2b0$d2b1d810$@socal.rr.com> References: <031901d20e2b$f0e5f2b0$d2b1d810$@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <06b332a7-cd8a-950f-7489-091e0577a969@embarqmail.com> I need to point out that those retention clips will work fine when you are connecting two APP in-line connectors together, however, they cannot be fitted to the K3/K3S APP connector because the "retainer pin" hole is not accessible at the K3/K3S end. They are fine for connecting one APP cable to another, but in practice, I have not found them necessary. Properly assembled APP connectors will have a significant pullout force requirement. Pay attention to those who state they can move the K3 by pulling on the cable - those folks have properly assembled APP connectors. 73, Don W3FPR If yours cannot do that, investigate the construction of your APP connectors. On 9/13/2016 10:01 PM, Dan Violette wrote: > And there are retention clips. I have a couple black ones that came with > some order at one time (RigRunner I think). > From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Sep 13 23:02:21 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:02:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: <9E98626C-37B8-434B-96E7-43858E4DFD10@law.du.edu> And imperfect assembly is a mistake easily made. For the first year or so that I owned the K3 I had the problem of intermittent DC, requiring fiddling with the APP connectors until getting them positioned just right, only to have intermittent connections again whenever the rig was moved. Then, having read an earlier suggestion like the one Don just made, though skeptical that I could possibly have assembled them incorrectly, I decided to give the blades an extra shove from behind. Click. No more problems since. I demur from saying whether I use solder or crimp. One can ruin friendships very quickly by debating matters of religion or politics. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:41:39 -0400 From: Don Wilhelm To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: <284df68b-23b1-ff85-8c53-7f418059fc4b at embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed One of the reasons some have trouble with APP connectors is that they have not been properly assembled. If you look at the end of an APP and can see the spring finger as well as the contact blade, it has not been properly assembled. Give the contact blade a push from the wire side until the contact blade locks over the spring finger. If it will not lock, there may be solder on the contact blade preventing it from being fully inserted - remove the contact blade and either cut off the solder with a sharp knife or replace the contact blade. 73, Don W3FPR From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Sep 13 23:13:25 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:13:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <1473811829.2958.1.camel@arabica> References: <201609132103.u8DL3pPR024431@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <1473811829.2958.1.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <9748d7fa-d3ac-da14-6379-22f6fb1a34cc@audiosystemsgroup.com> Sure. I buy black and white lengths of #10 stranded THHN (ordinary house wire) at the big box store, cut a length of each, put one end of both in a bench vise, the other in a drill, and twist it. Then let it sit overnight to let it set in position (it will untwist some, but not enough to matter if you've twisted it a lot.) 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,9/13/2016 5:10 PM, John Pitz wrote: > I don't suppose you have a suggestion as to where I could buy flexible > #10 wire? The reason I chose the zip cord is because of it's flexibility. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Tue Sep 13 23:24:31 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:24:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 + MH3 notes Message-ID: Hi folks, I just got back from a weekend camping and hiking with my KX2. This was the first time I took the KX2 out with the bigger CS80 soft case, and I used the extra room mostly to carry my MH3 mic, which I kept when I sold my KX3. I thought I'd share my experiences, as they might be useful to other (potential) KX2 owners. I found that the coil on the MH3's cable is sufficiently stiff as to move the KX2 almost as soon as it's put under any tension. This forces you to either hold down the KX2, which means you can't take notes, or hold the mic quite close to the KX2. If you're going to arrange your operating position to have your KX2 near your mouth anyway, I would consider one of these $5 wonders: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002EQ6E9E This will free up a bunch of room in your case, allowing you to either downsize to the CS40, or carry a bunch of extra radials in the CS80. I'm also going to look into making a switchable loading coil that will fit in the CS80 and make my 29' wire tune up on 80m. This isn't a knock on the MH3, nor on any other operating setup. It worked great with my heavier KX3, and I'm sure there are many other setups (mobile, in particular) where the MH3 would be the ideal mic for the KX2. For KX2 portable, though, I'd probably try something else. Bruce From eric at elecraft.com Tue Sep 13 23:27:13 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:27:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <9748d7fa-d3ac-da14-6379-22f6fb1a34cc@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201609132103.u8DL3pPR024431@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <1473811829.2958.1.camel@arabica> <9748d7fa-d3ac-da14-6379-22f6fb1a34cc@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I see the recurring APP thread has once again raised its head and has again been beaten to death.. :-) Let's end the thread at this time, due to the very large number of posts on this topic, and the fact that exactly the same info is available in the archives from multiple past threads. Must be a slow dx day! 73, Eric Moderator etc. elecraft.com _..._ > On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Sure. I buy black and white lengths of #10 stranded THHN (ordinary house wire) at the big box store, cut a length of each, put one end of both in a bench vise, the other in a drill, and twist it. Then let it sit overnight to let it set in position (it will untwist some, but not enough to matter if you've twisted it a lot.) > > 73, Jim K9YC From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Sep 13 23:51:54 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:51:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> Procedure should be same. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:42 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > > Vital detail omitted - I'm using WSPR-2 as the mode. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622443.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From jonlevy73 at usa.net Wed Sep 14 04:18:24 2016 From: jonlevy73 at usa.net (jonlevy73) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:18:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Super Antenna? OT ish Message-ID: <1473841104128-7622456.post@n2.nabble.com> Has anyone used a New Super Antenna, http://newsuperantenna.com/ ? With their Elecraft rig? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Super-Antenna-OT-ish-tp7622456.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pa0kv at pa0kv.nl Wed Sep 14 06:06:38 2016 From: pa0kv at pa0kv.nl (pa0kv at pa0kv.nl) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:06:38 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles Message-ID: Power pole connectors are okay but they do break! When you use the K3's Tilt Stand the power cable will lean on the desk surface. If you for any reason lift the K3 at the front any higher the sideways pressure on the Power pole connector can break its housing and the spring in the connector is loosing its tension. You have to look closely to see the crack. It happened to me. I replaced the housing and the connection was tight again. So if you have a loosely fitting connector.. check for cracks in the housing! 73's Twan - PA?KV From ka5y at yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 07:12:18 2016 From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:12:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Super Antenna? OT ish In-Reply-To: <1473841104128-7622456.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473841104128-7622456.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1473851538390-7622458.post@n2.nabble.com> I had one of the original ones and was not impressed. Never had any success, always did better with random wire or dipole. Picked up a used BuddiStick and it seems to be a better built antenna than the SuperAntenna. 73 Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Super-Antenna-OT-ish-tp7622456p7622458.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ppauly at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 08:28:57 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:28:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Macro Maker In-Reply-To: <001a01d20e0e$bca9eeb0$35fdcc10$@biz> References: <001a01d20e0e$bca9eeb0$35fdcc10$@biz> Message-ID: Awesome! Nicely done. On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Neat! > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nick > Garner > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:59 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Macro Maker > > Hi Everyone, > I had an idea pop into my head over the weekend to put together an > application to help with the composition of macros for use with Elecraft > radios. > > Here's the result: > http://pignology.net/emm > > 73, > Nick > N3WG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Wed Sep 14 09:05:54 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:05:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> I've used that in my set-up of app and rig, but no go. I might be missing something simple as a K3S newbie. With USB as mode, and VOX enabled, perhaps Tx is not enabled? When the app goes to Tx, or it do a Tune from the app, the K3S Red TX LED comes on, but ALC doesn't budge. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622460.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jimlcary at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 09:16:07 2016 From: jimlcary at gmail.com (Jim Cary) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:16:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Muting K3 Mini speaker Message-ID: <8C805968-1974-4C26-8F49-2773BDBB6989@gmail.com> Is there a way to mute the internal speaker on the K3 mini? When I plug in my external speaker (much better audio quality), the mini speaker is still active so get an undesirable ?stereo? sound. Using the mini with RRC to the K3. Jim W2SM From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 09:23:25 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:23:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Where do you have your soundcard level set? Set it at the 75% point or a bit higher. One "eccentricity" of the KX3 is that *if* the audio input is too high the KX3 will protect the audio input by shutting it down. Start with the MIC GAIN at a low level and bring it up slowly until you find the point where you have 4 bars solid on the ALC meter. If the mic gain setting is at a rediculously low level, you can add some attenuation in the audio cable - 100k in series and 10k across the line at the K3 end will give you about a 10x reduction in input to the KX3. Instead of using USB mode, use DATA A - it is almost the same thing, but compression is automatically turned off and the equalization is automatically set to flat. That leaves your SSB settings intact when you go back to voice. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 9:05 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > I've used that in my set-up of app and rig, but no go. I might be missing > something simple as a K3S newbie. With USB as mode, and VOX enabled, perhaps > Tx is not enabled? When the app goes to Tx, or it do a Tune from the app, > the K3S Red TX LED comes on, but ALC doesn't budge. > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Wed Sep 14 09:35:12 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:35:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Macro Maker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5fc7820b-a2c3-56f1-278a-ba65195937e0@nycap.rr.com> Nice job! Next comes all the utility of chaining macros together - you are only limited by your imagination (or lack of). So far so good on my Genovation keypad and K-pod. Macros make the K3 for me - no other rig can compare, except perhaps for the K3S. Now, if I could just write a macro to get the lawn mower to do the lawn without me hanging onto it!! Bill W2BLC K-Line From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 09:39:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:39:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? In-Reply-To: <92CA410C-140A-4BDD-914E-AD051FEF57D3@mac.com> References: <92CA410C-140A-4BDD-914E-AD051FEF57D3@mac.com> Message-ID: The problem with the remote PC hanging up can be handled by removing the PC power with a remote AC switch and then turning it back on. Set up the PC to automatically log on and launch the remote control application at startup. If you do not know how to set that up for your OS, google will give you some pointers. I know you can do that with Windows 7 and Windows 10 - don't know about Mac. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/13/2016 11:55 AM, Barry Baines wrote: > Jim: > > The problem with Teamviewer is that if the PC at the ham station hangs up, you?ve lost control. > > From cautery at montac.com Wed Sep 14 09:40:43 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:40:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> <006501d20e02$e00a4aa0$a01edfe0$@biz> Message-ID: I alluded to those clips when I said, "And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". It was my intention to clarify that statement with a link to the clips... Apologize. I was on vacation and become distracted and hit "Send" too early. :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 9/13/2016 5:48 PM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > Hello all: > > David, K6SBA, most graciously shared the solution with me. Powerwerx (see their website) sells a plastic clip that ties the mating connectors together, preventing them from slipping apart and disconnecting. The clip can be easily removed if needed. I just ordered a few of the clips for my installation. Now, that? a solution! Thank you again David! You made my day! > > Ramon, NQ9V > > >> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, George Kidder wrote: >> >> Completely agree! Soldering is effective, cheap and reliable if done right - as is crimping, bar the cost of the tool. >> >> W3HBM >> >> >> On 9/13/2016 5:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> FWIW, rather than invest in crimpers and practice as needed to get great crimps, I simply solder the wires into the terminals as recommended by Wayne. >>> >>> I place the terminals over the bare ends and solder, filling the part you might crimp with solder. It's useful to align the terminals correctly so they slide right into the PP housing when done. Also, be sure you do not get solder on the terminal contacts. Some builders like to hold the wires vertically with a vice to prevent soldering from flowing onto the contact area. >>> >>> I've had no problems over the past 12 years or so using the PP connectors -- all but a very few are soldered. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Pitz >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:49 AM >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles >>> >>> On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. >>> With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. >>> >>> KD8CIV >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: >>> >>>> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >>>> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >>>> >>>> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >>>> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >>>> >>>> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >>>> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >>>> >>>> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >>>> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >>>> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >>>> >>>> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>>> MONTAC Enterprises >>>> (318) 518-1389 >>>> >>>> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>>>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>>>> >>>>> Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>>>> r.tristani at gmail.com >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>>>> >>>>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> crustacean at brig-elec.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com > Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. > r.tristani at gmail.com > https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ > https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From k9jri at mac.com Wed Sep 14 09:58:50 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:58:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? In-Reply-To: References: <92CA410C-140A-4BDD-914E-AD051FEF57D3@mac.com> Message-ID: Don, also true with Mac OS X and is how I have mine set up for remote operation. 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > The problem with the remote PC hanging up can be handled by removing the PC power with a remote AC switch and then turning it back on. > Set up the PC to automatically log on and launch the remote control application at startup. If you do not know how to set that up for your OS, google will give you some pointers. I know you can do that with Windows 7 and Windows 10 - don't know about Mac. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/13/2016 11:55 AM, Barry Baines wrote: >> Jim: >> >> The problem with Teamviewer is that if the PC at the ham station hangs up, you?ve lost control. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Wed Sep 14 10:09:09 2016 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:09:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? In-Reply-To: References: <92CA410C-140A-4BDD-914E-AD051FEF57D3@mac.com> Message-ID: <003f01d20e91$9003f170$b00bd450$@austin.rr.com> Many of the IP remote power switches (I use DLI) also have a backup control available via a POTS telephone hardline, plus a ping function to do a reset. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:39 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote AC power switch? The problem with the remote PC hanging up can be handled by removing the PC power with a remote AC switch and then turning it back on. Set up the PC to automatically log on and launch the remote control application at startup. If you do not know how to set that up for your OS, google will give you some pointers. I know you can do that with Windows 7 and Windows 10 - don't know about Mac. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/13/2016 11:55 AM, Barry Baines wrote: > Jim: > > The problem with Teamviewer is that if the PC at the ham station hangs up, you?ve lost control. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com From wn3r.us at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 10:09:25 2016 From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (wn3r.us at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:09:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC switch Message-ID: <5F8D22B2-9A0C-4074-B840-8718AEB81AA4@gmail.com> http://3gstore.com/products/107_view_all.html Control this from your phone. Works well and only $100. Also look for APC remote switched power strips on eBay. Some models let you set automatic schedules. Happy to answer questions off list: wn3r.us at gmail.com 73, Dick, WN3R From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Sep 14 10:39:26 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote AC switch In-Reply-To: <5F8D22B2-9A0C-4074-B840-8718AEB81AA4@gmail.com> References: <5F8D22B2-9A0C-4074-B840-8718AEB81AA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is too bad they want $31US to ship to Canada. Mike va3mw On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:09 AM, wrote: > http://3gstore.com/products/107_view_all.html > > Control this from your phone. Works well and only $100. > > Also look for APC remote switched power strips on eBay. Some models let > you set automatic schedules. > > Happy to answer questions off list: wn3r.us at gmail.com > > 73, Dick, WN3R > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Sep 14 11:13:06 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:13:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 talk this coming Friday night Message-ID: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> Hi all, If you'll be in the San Mateo, CA area on Friday night, and your social calendar isn't quite full, we'd love to see you at the San Mateo Radio Club meeting. I'll be doing a talk on portable and hand-held operation, with application to the KX2 and KX3 transceivers. The meeting is at the Beresford Recreation Center, 7:30 PM. 73, Wayne N6KR From jbammi at mac.com Wed Sep 14 11:24:32 2016 From: jbammi at mac.com (Jwahar Bammi) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:24:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Macro Maker Message-ID: <57D96BB0.1030507@mac.com> Thanks Nick, Very handy tool, nicely done like all your stuff. Suggestion: Please allow frequency entry with common suffixes like k, M, G etc instead of the error prone entry in Hz or allow scientific notation like E3, E6 etc if that is more convenient from a field parsing point of view. 73 de kc1ccr bammi > Here's the result: http://pignology.net/emm From cbjesseenh at comcast.net Wed Sep 14 11:35:08 2016 From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Hi Don - I'm running on a K3S rather than a KX3 so working with the internal sound card.. I switched to DATA Mode and Data A but WSPR-2 shows no Rx, there is no signal apparent on the waterfall. BRET ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilhelm" To: "MaverickNH" , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:23:25 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx Where do you have your soundcard level set? Set it at the 75% point or a bit higher. One "eccentricity" of the KX3 is that *if* the audio input is too high the KX3 will protect the audio input by shutting it down. Start with the MIC GAIN at a low level and bring it up slowly until you find the point where you have 4 bars solid on the ALC meter. If the mic gain setting is at a rediculously low level, you can add some attenuation in the audio cable - 100k in series and 10k across the line at the K3 end will give you about a 10x reduction in input to the KX3. Instead of using USB mode, use DATA A - it is almost the same thing, but compression is automatically turned off and the equalization is automatically set to flat. That leaves your SSB settings intact when you go back to voice. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 9:05 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > I've used that in my set-up of app and rig, but no go. I might be missing > something simple as a K3S newbie. With USB as mode, and VOX enabled, perhaps > Tx is not enabled? When the app goes to Tx, or it do a Tune from the app, > the K3S Red TX LED comes on, but ALC doesn't budge. > > From ken at arkayengravers.com Wed Sep 14 12:14:30 2016 From: ken at arkayengravers.com (Ken Kaplan) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:14:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 talk this coming Friday night Message-ID: <1a8a56ca-e0f1-d92e-7a74-74ffb4f6ca56@arkayengravers.com> How about recording this, for those of us who don't fly and are on the east coast. Ken , WB2ART From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Sep 14 12:29:46 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 talk this coming Friday night In-Reply-To: <1a8a56ca-e0f1-d92e-7a74-74ffb4f6ca56@arkayengravers.com> References: <1a8a56ca-e0f1-d92e-7a74-74ffb4f6ca56@arkayengravers.com> Message-ID: <1473870586112-7622474.post@n2.nabble.com> X2 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-talk-this-coming-Friday-night-tp7622473p7622474.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 13:11:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:11:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> Bret, How do you have the LINE IN level set? Try increasing it to see if you can get a waterfall display. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 11:35 AM, Charles wrote: > Hi Don - I'm running on a K3S rather than a KX3 so working with the > internal sound card.. > > I switched to DATA Mode and Data A but WSPR-2 shows no Rx, there is no > signal apparent on the waterfall. > > From kevin at k4vd.net Wed Sep 14 13:47:16 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 talk this coming Friday night In-Reply-To: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> References: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Record and share? Or stream live? That would be cool. On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > If you'll be in the San Mateo, CA area on Friday night, and your social > calendar isn't quite full, we'd love to see you at the San Mateo Radio Club > meeting. I'll be doing a talk on portable and hand-held operation, with > application to the KX2 and KX3 transceivers. The meeting is at the > Beresford Recreation Center, 7:30 PM. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > From fred at fmeco.com Wed Sep 14 14:39:21 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:39:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC Message-ID: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that will run under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but don't want anything that runs under windows.. What are you Mac users using?.. Fred -- Fred Moore WD8KNI email: fred at fmeco.com phone: 321-217-8699 From joe at k2uf.com Wed Sep 14 14:48:31 2016 From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:48:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question Message-ID: Using my K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3+SVGA with the TX sensor in line. On the KPA500 the SWR reads 1.3 with one or two SWR led's lit also one or two led's lit on the KAT500 but the SWR display on the P3 shows about 6. Any ideas why this is happening? Joe K2UF From k9yeq at live.com Wed Sep 14 14:52:11 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:52:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 + MH3 notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce, won't that give you a stiff neck from bending over to talk into it? My MH3 cable is quite a bit longer. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Nourish Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:25 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 + MH3 notes Hi folks, I just got back from a weekend camping and hiking with my KX2. This was the first time I took the KX2 out with the bigger CS80 soft case, and I used the extra room mostly to carry my MH3 mic, which I kept when I sold my KX3. I thought I'd share my experiences, as they might be useful to other (potential) KX2 owners. I found that the coil on the MH3's cable is sufficiently stiff as to move the KX2 almost as soon as it's put under any tension. This forces you to either hold down the KX2, which means you can't take notes, or hold the mic quite close to the KX2. If you're going to arrange your operating position to have your KX2 near your mouth anyway, I would consider one of these $5 wonders: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002EQ6E9E This will free up a bunch of room in your case, allowing you to either downsize to the CS40, or carry a bunch of extra radials in the CS80. I'm also going to look into making a switchable loading coil that will fit in the CS80 and make my 29' wire tune up on 80m. This isn't a knock on the MH3, nor on any other operating setup. It worked great with my heavier KX3, and I'm sure there are many other setups (mobile, in particular) where the MH3 would be the ideal mic for the KX2. For KX2 portable, though, I'd probably try something else. Bruce ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9jri at mac.com Wed Sep 14 14:54:17 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. Fill us in what functions you are looking for. Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore wrote: > > I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that will run > under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but > don't want anything that runs under windows.. > > What are you Mac users using?.. Fred > > > -- > Fred Moore > WD8KNI > email: fred at fmeco.com > > phone: 321-217-8699 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 14:59:45 2016 From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:59:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talks and demo booths in the next 2 weeks: W9DXCC and W4DXCC In-Reply-To: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> References: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1473879585464-7622481.post@n2.nabble.com> In addition to Wayne's talk at the San Mateo club this coming Friday night, there will be a demo booth and talks available elsewhere in the US: W9DXCC in Schaumberg, Illinois, this weekend: We'll have a full booth of demo gear including all the lastest options available during the show on Saturday, Sept 17th. We'll have show specials and special bundle pricing on the K3S when purchased with other peripherals. Raffle prizes include a KX3 and XG3's. Details are here. W4DXCC in Pigeon Forge, TN the following weekend: We will be speaking at the HF Bootcamp on the topic of "Operating QRP" plus there will be a special presentation on Friday night from Elecraft. Likewise, there will be booth specials and bundle pricing on the K3S and peripherals. Details are here. Do come by the booth to say hello! Cheers, David ----------------------------------------- David Shoaf K3/KX3 International Distributor and Customer Support +1-831-763-4211 x121 KG6IRW ----------------------------------------- -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-talk-this-coming-Friday-night-tp7622470p7622481.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From fred at fmeco.com Wed Sep 14 15:04:12 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:04:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: I am aware it doesn't require any SDR software, but wanted to play with some.. primary for a panadapter, without adding on a PX3.. I have not looked at iSDR for ipad.... will take a look at it.. thanks.. Fred On 9/14/16 2:54 PM, Michael Blake wrote: > Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. > Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will > even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. > > Fill us in what functions you are looking for. > > Michael Blake > k9jri at mac.com > > On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore > wrote: > >> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that will run >> under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but >> don't want anything that runs under windows.. >> >> What are you Mac users using?.. Fred >> >> >> -- >> Fred Moore >> WD8KNI >> email: fred at fmeco.com >> >> phone: 321-217-8699 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 14 15:14:06 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:14:06 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <20160914184946.C4043149B4E4@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160914184946.C4043149B4E4@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <008501d20ebc$2a615cb0$7f241610$@sbcglobal.net> Where is the TX sensor located? It should be between the KPA500 and the KAT500. It sounds like you have it in-line after the KAT500. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe K2UF Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:49 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question Using my K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3+SVGA with the TX sensor in line. On the KPA500 the SWR reads 1.3 with one or two SWR led's lit also one or two led's lit on the KAT500 but the SWR display on the P3 shows about 6. Any ideas why this is happening? Joe K2UF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From k9jri at mac.com Wed Sep 14 15:30:26 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:30:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: Fred, If you have the PigRemote it will serve as the RS-232 connection from iSdr to the KX3. If you do not then then just set the frequency on iSdr to 0 (zero) kHz and the frequency you are tuned to will be at center screen and other signals will be displayed as plus or minus kHz. It works quite well? very well actually. I use an Apple camera adapter (lightning to usb) with a Griffin iMic to connect from the I/Q jack on the KX3 to the iPad. It works just as well on the iPhone with a smaller display. If you want other stuff like CAT, Log, LOTW support, DX-Cluster, etc. look at RumLog NG running on your Mac. Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Sep 14, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Fred Moore wrote: > > I am aware it doesn't require any SDR software, but wanted to play with > some.. primary for a panadapter, without adding on a PX3.. I have not > looked at iSDR for ipad.... will take a look at it.. thanks.. Fred > > > On 9/14/16 2:54 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >> Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. >> Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will >> even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. >> >> Fill us in what functions you are looking for. >> >> Michael Blake >> k9jri at mac.com >> >> On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore > > wrote: >> >>> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that will run >>> under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but >>> don't want anything that runs under windows.. >>> >>> What are you Mac users using?.. Fred >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fred Moore >>> WD8KNI >>> email: fred at fmeco.com >>> >>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> believed to be clean. > > -- > Fred Moore > email: fred at fmeco.com > fred at safes.com > phone: 321-217-8699 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From dick at elecraft.com Wed Sep 14 15:23:33 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:23:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> If your TX sensor is in line after the KAT500, you might be observing the SWR of the antenna side of the ATU. The KPA500 and KAT500 LEDs show the SWR at the transmitter side of the ATU, rather than the antenna side. The KAT500 Utility will show the "bypass VSWR", which is the SWR observed by the ATU when it is in Bypass. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe K2UF Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:49 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question Using my K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3+SVGA with the TX sensor in line. On the KPA500 the SWR reads 1.3 with one or two SWR led's lit also one or two led's lit on the KAT500 but the SWR display on the P3 shows about 6. Any ideas why this is happening? Joe K2UF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 15:39:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:39:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bret, One more thing - if you are using the K3S internal soundcard, make certain you do not have anything plugged into the LINE IN jack. A plug in LINE IN overrides and disconnects input from the internal sound card. 73, Don W3FPR ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bret, How do you have the LINE IN level set? Try increasing it to see if you can get a waterfall display. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 11:35 AM, Charles wrote: > Hi Don - I'm running on a K3S rather than a KX3 so working with the > internal sound card.. > > I switched to DATA Mode and Data A but WSPR-2 shows no Rx, there is no > signal apparent on the waterfall. > > From bartholdl at yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 15:55:25 2016 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:55:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> > The KAT500 Utility will show the "bypass VSWR", which is the SWR observed by the ATU when it is in Bypass. As will the SWR meter on the KPA500, right? Barthold -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:24 PM To: 'Joe K2UF'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SWR question If your TX sensor is in line after the KAT500, you might be observing the SWR of the antenna side of the ATU. The KPA500 and KAT500 LEDs show the SWR at the transmitter side of the ATU, rather than the antenna side. The KAT500 Utility will show the "bypass VSWR", which is the SWR observed by the ATU when it is in Bypass. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe K2UF Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:49 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question Using my K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3+SVGA with the TX sensor in line. On the KPA500 the SWR reads 1.3 with one or two SWR led's lit also one or two led's lit on the KAT500 but the SWR display on the P3 shows about 6. Any ideas why this is happening? Joe K2UF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bartholdl at yahoo.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Sep 14 16:11:03 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:11:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> Message-ID: Without seeing the entire diagram, SWR is not a consistent value throughout the feedline. We actually proved this a one of my classes back in college. I can't remember how many jumper cables I made to up to this test at 100Mhz. All different wavelengths and random lengths as well. Let me borrow something Cecil KG7BK said in a previous forum a long time ago. *The SWR changes every inch up and down the transmission line because everyinch has a finite loss and because the SWR is never exactly 1/1 at theload. _For practical purposes_ if the transmission line is matchedto the load the SWR is close enough to 1/1. If the transmission line is not matched to the load, the SWR decreases in the direction toward the generator because of losses. Removing an inch of transmission linechanges the SWR... inserting an SWR meter changes the SWR... hopefullyby a neglible amount.* *SWR's of 1/1, infinite and zero impedences, exactly 50 ohm antennas andtransmission lines are human concepts that do not exist in reality.Sometimes they are good approximations to reality and sometimes they arenot.* Mike va3mw On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > The KAT500 Utility will show the "bypass VSWR", which is the SWR observed > by the ATU when it is in Bypass. > > As will the SWR meter on the KPA500, right? > > Barthold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick > Dievendorff > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:24 PM > To: 'Joe K2UF'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SWR question > > If your TX sensor is in line after the KAT500, you might be observing the > SWR of the antenna side of the ATU. The KPA500 and KAT500 LEDs show the SWR > at the transmitter side of the ATU, rather than the antenna side. > > The KAT500 Utility will show the "bypass VSWR", which is the SWR observed > by > the ATU when it is in Bypass. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe > K2UF > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:49 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question > > Using my K3/KPA500/KAT500/P3+SVGA with the TX sensor in line. > > On the KPA500 the SWR reads 1.3 with one or two SWR led's lit also one > or > two led's lit on the KAT500 but the SWR display on the P3 shows about 6. > > Any ideas why this is happening? > > Joe K2UF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to bartholdl at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 16:26:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:26:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> Message-ID: <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> Barthold, No, the KPA500 will see the SWR at the *input* to the KAT500, and that is what it will display. The tuner will attempt to create a low SWR when it tunes. The output side of the KAT500 will be the SWR that is presented by the antenna feedline. The KAT500 Utility will show you that bypassed VSWR value even though the KAT500 is not bypassed. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 3:55 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft wrote: >> The KAT500 Utility will show the "bypass VSWR", which is the SWR observed > by the ATU when it is in Bypass. > > As will the SWR meter on the KPA500, right? > > From bartholdl at yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 16:54:38 2016 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> Hi Don, I meant if the KAT500 is in bypass mode, what will the SWR meter on the KPA500 show? Thanks, Barthold -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:26 PM To: Barthold Lichtenbelt; 'Dick Dievendorff'; 'Joe K2UF'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SWR question Barthold, No, the KPA500 will see the SWR at the *input* to the KAT500, and that is what it will display. The tuner will attempt to create a low SWR when it tunes. The output side of the KAT500 will be the SWR that is presented by the antenna feedline. The KAT500 Utility will show you that bypassed VSWR value even though the KAT500 is not bypassed. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 3:55 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft wrote: >> The KAT500 Utility will show the "bypass VSWR", which is the SWR >> observed > by the ATU when it is in Bypass. > > As will the SWR meter on the KPA500, right? > > From jcox123 at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 14 16:59:02 2016 From: jcox123 at bellsouth.net (Jim Cox) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB Soundcard Message-ID: Is the internal USB soundcard stereo or mono? IE is the sub receiver audio sent to the computer as well as audio from the main receiver? 73s Jim K4JAF From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Sep 14 17:02:22 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:02:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> Message-ID: <298a20bb-4d6c-df2c-87eb-2611353555eb@triconet.org> Actually, it doesn't. Slap a flat plate over the end of a zero length waveguide and the SWR is infinite. Insert whatever you want in front of that and the SWR may measure something different, but it's still infinite:-) On 9/14/2016 1:11 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > inserting an SWR meter changes the SWR... > hopefullyby a neglible amount.* > From mattz at elecraft.com Wed Sep 14 17:03:57 2016 From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:03:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB Soundcard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The output (to the computer) is stereo, and the sub's audio is sent on the right channel (assuming you have a sub installed). The USB line in is mono. 73, matt W6NIA On 9/14/2016 1:59 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > Is the internal USB soundcard stereo or mono? IE is the sub receiver audio sent to the computer as well as audio from the main receiver? 73s Jim K4JAF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com Office: 831-763-4211 x125 Mobile: 909-730-6552 [Shiraz] From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 17:32:06 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> Message-ID: Barthold, If the KAT500 is in bypass you should see a similar SWR indicated on both the KAT500 and the KPA500. They may not be exactly the same due to component tolerances in the wattmeters. I am not sure what your goal is in asking that question. If it is a quick check on your antenna system, then that indication should be adequate. If you really want to know the SWR on the feedline with greater accuracy, measure it with an antenna analyzer or put the Elecraft W2 Wattmeter in-line. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 4:54 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt wrote: > Hi Don, > > I meant if the KAT500 is in bypass mode, what will the SWR meter on the > KPA500 show? > > From bobchortek at yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 18:59:44 2016 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> Message-ID: <560437053.1373104.1473893984310@mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I have a KPA500 and a KAT500 for sale. ?Both are in mint condition and very lightly used (I use an Alpha 9500 when I need an amp). KPA500 - $2,000 delivered and insured (cables included); KAT500 - $600.00 delivered and insured (cables included). Please email me directly at rlc at berliner.com. 73, Bob/AA6VB From mkx at sympatico.ca Wed Sep 14 19:55:19 2016 From: mkx at sympatico.ca (mkx mkx) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 149, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1787606106.426016.1473897319021.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui02> From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Sep 14 20:43:21 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:43:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx Message-ID: <201609150043.u8F0hMnv006092@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I confess I do not use WSPR-X very much but I checked my version and the K3s is not shown in setup. Plenty ways to chose a com port and a soundcard, but one does not use a computer soundcard with the K3s connected via USB port. Just wondering if this could be the issue? I see you can chose K3/KX3 under CAT, but no listing of K3s. With my K3 I merely set up com port (for PTT) and select the soundcard from the drop-down list at the bottom of the setup window; I don't enable CAT in WSPR-X v0.8 r3058; possibly it is in later versions. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Sep 14 21:08:39 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:08:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <06929AC5-8F7E-45E6-B4B3-925B38EA74BE@widomaker.com> First off use DATA A not USB. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:05 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > > I've used that in my set-up of app and rig, but no go. I might be missing > something simple as a K3S newbie. With USB as mode, and VOX enabled, perhaps > Tx is not enabled? When the app goes to Tx, or it do a Tune from the app, > the K3S Red TX LED comes on, but ALC doesn't budge. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622460.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From jermo at carolinaheli.com Wed Sep 14 21:54:07 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:54:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: References: <1473785366.3007.16.camel@arabica> <006501d20e02$e00a4aa0$a01edfe0$@biz> Message-ID: I fly RC helicopters and use Power Poles on all of my connections. My motor draws 75A with spikes over 100A. The model experiences broad frequency vibration, direct exposure to heat, cold, and moisture. I've never had a failure of a connection, an inadvertent disconnection, or wore one out. Now to be fair I buy Anderson brand and use their crimper. If you are having issues with pp then my first question is where you obtained them and how are you attaching. The only odd thing I do is coat them with Vaseline ( which I'm told is bad). After almost 10 years I figure I'm due for a failure or such. Jer Sent from my iPad > On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > > I alluded to those clips when I said, "And there are ways/devices to > make PP connections "more secure". > > It was my intention to clarify that statement with a link to the > clips... Apologize. I was on vacation and become distracted and hit > "Send" too early. :-) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 9/13/2016 5:48 PM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >> Hello all: >> >> David, K6SBA, most graciously shared the solution with me. Powerwerx (see >> their website) sells a plastic clip that ties the mating connectors >> together, preventing them from slipping apart and disconnecting. The clip >> can be easily removed if needed. I just ordered a few of the clips for my >> installation. Now, that? a solution! Thank you again David! You made my >> day! >> >> Ramon, NQ9V >> >> >>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, George Kidder wrote: >>> >>> Completely agree! Soldering is effective, cheap and reliable if done >>> right - as is crimping, bar the cost of the tool. >>> >>> W3HBM >>> >>> >>>> On 9/13/2016 5:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>>> FWIW, rather than invest in crimpers and practice as needed to get great >>>> crimps, I simply solder the wires into the terminals as recommended by >>>> Wayne. >>>> >>>> I place the terminals over the bare ends and solder, filling the part >>>> you might crimp with solder. It's useful to align the terminals >>>> correctly so they slide right into the PP housing when done. Also, be >>>> sure you do not get solder on the terminal contacts. Some builders like >>>> to hold the wires vertically with a vice to prevent soldering from >>>> flowing onto the contact area. >>>> >>>> I've had no problems over the past 12 years or so using the PP >>>> connectors -- all but a very few are soldered. >>>> >>>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>>> John Pitz >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:49 AM >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles >>>> >>>> On the topic of Power Pole connectors, I have a crimper that if I >>>> remember correctly I bought from West Mountain Radio. It looks pretty >>>> similar to the one sold by Powerwerx. I have had very little success >>>> crimping the #10 zip cord sold by Powerwerx. Am I missing something? I >>>> have used these off and on for a few years to crimp smaller gauge wire. >>>> With the 10 wire the crimp looks terrible, and it is very hard to >>>> extract the pin from the crimper without destroying the pin. If you do >>>> manage to get the pin out of the crimpers it is almost impossible to >>>> push into the housing. Is there something wrong with Powerwerx's zip >>>> cord? my crimpers? Is there better cable to use, ideally something >>>> really flexible? A lot of my operation is portable so this stuff is >>>> always getting plugged, unplugged, coiled, uncoiled, etc. >>>> >>>> KD8CIV >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 08:11 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I find the Power pole connectors perfectly serviceable... And I am >>>>> pretty much a cabling/connector freak. >>>>> >>>>> I like Power Poles because they are serviceable, configurable, and >>>>> becoming more common/standard as time passes. >>>>> >>>>> Would I prefer a CPC or other connector? Perhaps, but the Power Pole >>>>> does the job and at a manufacturing price point that makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> If you do your cabling and cable routing correctly, you should never >>>>> have a problem. The connectors are rated to carry enough power to >>>>> satisfy the K3s' needs AT FULL POWER. >>>>> >>>>> And there are ways/devices to make PP connections "more secure". >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>>>> MONTAC Enterprises >>>>> (318) 518-1389 >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/13/2016 7:53 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>>>>> The Power Pole connectors on the back of my K3 provide for only a >>>>>> marginal, non-secure connection to the cable coming from the power >>>>>> supply. Has anybody out there ?invented? or ?discovered? a more secure >>>>>> and strong connection than the one provided by the Power Poles? It is >>>>>> so easy for the connection to come loose that makes me wonder how can >>>>>> they safely conduct the 20 amps needed for the radio to operate at >>>>>> full power. I believe in strong and tight connections when relatively >>>>>> high current is expected. Anybody out there with suggestions? I would >>>>>> appreciate knowing from you. Thank you all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ram?n E. Tristani Sr., NQ9V >>>>>> r.tristani at gmail.com >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >>>>>> >>>>>> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>>> crustacean at brig-elec.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com >> Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. >> r.tristani at gmail.com >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ >> https://tristaniministries.wordpress.com/ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From bartholdl at yahoo.com Wed Sep 14 23:01:22 2016 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:01:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> Message-ID: <068001d20efd$716bca50$54435ef0$@com> Hi Don, Ok, this all came from Dick saying that you can see the "bypass SWR" that the KAT500 measures with the PC utility. But if you don't have that hooked up, a simple trick seemed to be to put the KAT500 in bypass mode, and see what the KPA500 tells you on its SWR led bar. That can give you an idea of the SWR past the KAT500 (thus the Antenna SWR). Of course, if the SWR is too far off the KPA500 will complain. If you have a P3 with TX sensor, and you want to know your antenna SWR, then putting the P3 TX sensor after the KAT500 seems like the way to go. That way you can quickly see how well your antenna is actually matched to the feedline, and you can use the KAT500 in tune mode (and not in bypass mode). Of course, a real antenna analyzer (I use a RigExpert 600) will be more accurate. Hope that explains it Don! Regards, Barthold -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:32 PM To: Barthold Lichtenbelt; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SWR question Barthold, If the KAT500 is in bypass you should see a similar SWR indicated on both the KAT500 and the KPA500. They may not be exactly the same due to component tolerances in the wattmeters. I am not sure what your goal is in asking that question. If it is a quick check on your antenna system, then that indication should be adequate. If you really want to know the SWR on the feedline with greater accuracy, measure it with an antenna analyzer or put the Elecraft W2 Wattmeter in-line. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 4:54 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt wrote: > Hi Don, > > I meant if the KAT500 is in bypass mode, what will the SWR meter on > the > KPA500 show? > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:34:32 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:34:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: <068001d20efd$716bca50$54435ef0$@com> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> <068001d20efd$716bca50$54435ef0$@com> Message-ID: Barthold, Another way to accomplish that is to power off the KPA500 and bypass the KAT500. Then the K3 will display the SWR. There are several ways to "skin that cat". Actually, if you 'train' the KAT500 to your antennas and want to monitor the status of your antennas, put the KAT500 into manual mode after the training (you should do that anyway) - and then monitor the SWR seen by the LEDs on either the KPA500 or the KAT500. If there is a significant change, then take a look at your antenna(s) with your antenna analyzer. If no significant change in the SWR indication, then just keep operating because all is well. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 11:01 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt wrote: > Hi Don, > > Ok, this all came from Dick saying that you can see the "bypass SWR" that > the KAT500 measures with the PC utility. But if you don't have that hooked > up, a simple trick seemed to be to put the KAT500 in bypass mode, and see > what the KPA500 tells you on its SWR led bar. That can give you an idea of > the SWR past the KAT500 (thus the Antenna SWR). Of course, if the SWR is too > far off the KPA500 will complain. > > If you have a P3 with TX sensor, and you want to know your antenna SWR, then > putting the P3 TX sensor after the KAT500 seems like the way to go. That way > you can quickly see how well your antenna is actually matched to the > feedline, and you can use the KAT500 in tune mode (and not in bypass mode). > > Of course, a real antenna analyzer (I use a RigExpert 600) will be more > accurate. > > Hope that explains it Don! > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:38:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:38:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <201609150043.u8F0hMnv006092@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201609150043.u8F0hMnv006092@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Ed, The internal soundcard in the K3S should show up as a separate USB soundcard (Codec) in your computer. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 8:43 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I confess I do not use WSPR-X very much but I checked my version and > the K3s is not shown in setup. Plenty ways to chose a com port and a > soundcard, but one does not use a computer soundcard with the K3s > connected via USB port. > > Just wondering if this could be the issue? I see you can chose K3/KX3 > under CAT, but no listing of K3s. > From philji at mac.com Thu Sep 15 00:47:15 2016 From: philji at mac.com (Phillip Lontz) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:47:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [New post] Ebike charging for long Battery life References: <33246106.17758.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: What me worry? Begin forwarded message: > From: ElectricBike.com > Date: September 14, 2016 at 7:33:55 PM MDT > To: philji at mac.com > Subject: [New post] Ebike charging for long Battery life > > > New post on ElectricBike.com > > > Ebike charging for long Battery life > by Eric Hicks > ] > Ebike charging for long Battery life > > > So you want your battery to last a long time?.remember that most people will not ride their ebike 500 times in their lifetime?.500 charges is the typical lifespan of a 18650 ebike battery?. And 500 charges will take nearly anyone a long time to get through?.. So our first advice is not to worry about it and ride it like you stole it. By the time your ebike battery is used up, there will probably be some amazing technology around and you will want to replace your old clunky battery anyway. Also most people will damage their ebike battery from abuse (dropping etc) way before they use it up from natural wear and tear. > > However it has been theorized that you can get up to double the life of your batteries expected life, by taking care when charging. > > Simple Rule To Remember > > > Lithium batteries like to stay cool. If you want to make your battery last a long time do not let it get hot, either in discharge or when charging. How to tell if you battery is getting hot? just use the finger test and just put your finger on it. Warm is ok?. Hot to the touch is bad and you are shortening the life of your battery when you get it hot. > > Always Charge Slow When You Can > > > Ebike batteries prefer to be charged slowly?. The smaller the pack in amp hours the slower they like to be charged. If you are concerned with battery life don't buy the highest amperage charger you can find?.just stick with a low amperage (2-3 amps) charger, or go with an advanced smart charger which can charge slow or fast with the turn of a knob. It's always good to charge slow unless you are in a rush. (read more on the benefits of slow charging here) > > When to charge? > > > You do not have to charge your battery after every ride?. These are not old school lead acid packs that if you forget to charge you will shorten the life of your pack?. Lithium batteries only need to be charged when needed. > > Where to charge? > > > All large lithium batteries are a potential fire risk and should be charged in a safe place, preferably outside or in the middle of a garage floor Other safe ways to charge an ebike lithium battery are in a fireproof bag, oven or barbecue grill. (read this article on safe charging) Do not attempt charging a battery you think is damaged. > > Never charge a lithium battery unsupervised inside a house or building. > > 80 90 100 percent Advanced Chargers > > > Consider buying a smart charger that will automatically automatically charge your battery at 80, 90 or 100 percent, and only charge to 100 percent when you are planning long ride. > > Chargers that do this include the Satiator and the Luna Advanced Charger. > > We know from research done by the auto industry that batteries live longer lives when not charged to 100 percent every time ?.but at the same time you should charge your battery to 100 percent at least once in a while to ensure its balance charged. > > Watch our video on the Luna charging station pictured above. > > Balance Charging an Ebike Pack > Balance charging is a function that is controlled by more advanced bms (read article on bms) . What it does is when the battery has reached its peak charge, the cells will slowly be balanced so each line of cells are at the same voltage?.this not only extends the range of your pack, it also extends the life expectancy. Modern name brand 18650 cells are very good at staying in balance, but should be charged to 100 percent once in a while to ensure proper balance is kept. > > Know your high voltage cut off limit > Always use a charger that is designed for you pack. If you use the wrong charger you not only risk the long life of your pack it can also become a fire hazard. Make sure the charger?s maximum voltage matches the maximum voltage of your pack. Here is an example of maximum charge voltage for 18650 battery packs. If you do not know what your batteries maximum voltage is find out...and write it on a label on the battery so you never forget. > > Here is an example of maximum voltages for popular luna cycle 18650 packs > > 10s (36v) - 42v max voltage > > 13s (48v pack) - 54.4v max voltage > > 14s (52v pack) - 58.8v max voltage > > Know your low voltage cut off limit > Knowing what your high voltage cut off and knowing what your low voltage cut off is the clear way that you will start to understand your pack and how to maximize its life, and also how to maximize your range when you need it. > > High voltage cut off > > Here is typical low voltage cut off of some popular 18650 packs. Low voltage cut off will vary depending on which cells and which bms. > > 36v (10s) - 27.5 volts > > 48v (13s) - 36 volts > > 52 (14s) - 39 volts > > Storage of your lithium battery pack > > > Do not store your lithium batteries either fully charged or fully discharged?.but somewhere in the middle. If you have a smart charger we recommend you charge to 80 percent and store there. > > If you are storing for a large period of time, charge it to around 50 percent and keep it in a fire safe place. > > If you have to choose between storing your batteries empty or full?.choose full to keep the battery from drifting down to a level that it cannot be safely charged. The bms will shut down and you can ruin your battery if the battery drops below the low voltage cut off. The bms is the battery management system that keeps your battery from overcharging or undercharging and monitors the safety and health of your pack. (read more about ebike bms) > > Tools that can help you > > > Always have a handy multi meter around to monitor the health of your pack. > > You can also invest in a wattmeter, a Cycle Analyst, or a batt-man which will also give you a fairly accurate voltage of your pack, and also give you a good idea of the capacity of your pack in amp hours as your battery ages. > > It?s normal for a lithium battery to drop in both amp hours and max voltage as it ages. > > Only buy ebike packs containing name brand and authentic 18650 cells > > > The last tip we will give you to maintain long life of your battery and the safety of it during charging is when you purchase your battery pack make sure that it is cells are made from a name brand Japanese or Korean company (panasonic, samsung, lg, or sanyo) and that the cells are authentic. > > At this writing China is not good at making their own battery cells, although they have proven they are good at rewrapping chinese cells to look like name brands on the outside, or relabel them as name brands that boast ridiculous impossible numbers. > > Buy your ebike battery from a source you trust, and preferably a USA supplier. Of course i recommend Lunacycle.com for all your battery needs. (disclaimer i am the owner of Luna Cycle). > > Eric Hicks | September 14, 2016 at 6:20 pm | Categories: Technical, Uncategorized | URL: http://www.electricbike.com/?p=17758 > Comment See all comments > Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from ElectricBike.com. > Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. > > Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: > http://www.electricbike.com/ebike-battery-longevity/ > From bartholdl at yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 00:53:45 2016 From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:53:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR question In-Reply-To: References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> <068001d20efd$716bca50$54435ef0$@com> Message-ID: <068101d20f0d$2453aa20$6cfafe60$@com> Hi Don, As you say "many ways to skin the cat" :-) Thanks for that last tip, hadn't thought of that and will work as well of course! Barthold -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:35 PM To: Barthold Lichtenbelt; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SWR question Barthold, Another way to accomplish that is to power off the KPA500 and bypass the KAT500. Then the K3 will display the SWR. There are several ways to "skin that cat". Actually, if you 'train' the KAT500 to your antennas and want to monitor the status of your antennas, put the KAT500 into manual mode after the training (you should do that anyway) - and then monitor the SWR seen by the LEDs on either the KPA500 or the KAT500. If there is a significant change, then take a look at your antenna(s) with your antenna analyzer. If no significant change in the SWR indication, then just keep operating because all is well. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/14/2016 11:01 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt wrote: > Hi Don, > > Ok, this all came from Dick saying that you can see the "bypass SWR" > that the KAT500 measures with the PC utility. But if you don't have > that hooked up, a simple trick seemed to be to put the KAT500 in > bypass mode, and see what the KPA500 tells you on its SWR led bar. > That can give you an idea of the SWR past the KAT500 (thus the Antenna > SWR). Of course, if the SWR is too far off the KPA500 will complain. > > If you have a P3 with TX sensor, and you want to know your antenna > SWR, then putting the P3 TX sensor after the KAT500 seems like the way > to go. That way you can quickly see how well your antenna is actually > matched to the feedline, and you can use the KAT500 in tune mode (and not in bypass mode). > > Of course, a real antenna analyzer (I use a RigExpert 600) will be > more accurate. > > Hope that explains it Don! > From sancho at frawg.org Thu Sep 15 08:03:31 2016 From: sancho at frawg.org (sancho) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Super Antenna? OT ish In-Reply-To: <1473841104128-7622456.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473841104128-7622456.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Have the kit with the mini tripod and used it for quite a while. It has worked reasonably well with the KX3 and FT-817 in its best locations (put the tripod on top of the car or clamped to a metal railing). The radial system is meh but works well enough. I get better "milage" with a home made pocket dipole (if there is a place to put it up) or the Alex Walkham Loop. When I do portable ops, I usually throw all 3 options into the car when traveling but will fly with the Alex Loop in my checked bag. Jack - KD4IZ Sent from my iPad > On Sep 14, 2016, at 04:18, jonlevy73 wrote: > > Has anyone used a New Super Antenna, http://newsuperantenna.com/ ? With their > Elecraft rig? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Super-Antenna-OT-ish-tp7622456.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sancho at frawg.org From m0lep at hewett.org Thu Sep 15 08:54:07 2016 From: m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:54:07 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Super Antenna? OT ish References: <1473841104128-7622456.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Not too bad on the higher HF bands, but the more loading coil you need, the worse it gets. I suppose, if you make good radials for it and lay them out on nice dry ground, then you'll probably be pushing more signal out via them than via the antenna... ....and, like Jack, I've had *far* better mileage, particularly on the lower HF bands, with a pocket dipole held up by a glass-fibre fishing rod... -- 73, Rick, M0LEP (KX3 #3281) Cat: Do you speak Bulgarian? Lister: Bulgarian? Me? I can hardly speak English. -- [Red Dwarf 3/1] From k4ia at aol.com Thu Sep 15 09:07:47 2016 From: k4ia at aol.com (Buck) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:07:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale Message-ID: <7763f704-8828-6b52-9bdc-5663cc11cb54@aol.com> KX3 with roofing filter, key, clock/charger, tuner, microphone and cable set. Very mild use and in perfect condition. Also includes 8 eneloop Ni-Mh batteries, Power Pole cable, and padded carry case. Photos available. New price over $1,600 plus shipping. Yours for only $1,275 plus $23 shipping to ConUS. PayPal OK. Wonderful radio. I got it thinking I would be doing some SOTA and outdoor activity. That hasn't happened and I hate to have it sitting around unused. Please reply directly to k four ia at AOL -- K4ia Buck Honor Roll 335 8BDXCC From fred at fmeco.com Thu Sep 15 10:40:19 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:40:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: Michael, I installed iSDR and ordered to lightning to USB adapter from apple, it will be here tomorrow.. After ordering the adapter I started wondering how to keep the iPad charged when it is powering the sound device.. how do you make that happen, I could not find anything on the web. Do you know if plugging the iPad into a powered USB hub will charge the iPad, as the iPad would be acting as a host hub.. nothing I could find... ???? regards... Fred On 9/14/16 3:30 PM, Michael Blake wrote: > Fred, If you have the PigRemote it will serve as the RS-232 connection > from iSdr to the KX3. If you do not then then just set the frequency > on iSdr to 0 (zero) kHz and the frequency you are tuned to will be at > center screen and other signals will be displayed as plus or minus > kHz. It works quite well? very well actually. > > I use an Apple camera adapter (lightning to usb) with a Griffin iMic > to connect from the I/Q jack on the KX3 to the iPad. It works just as > well on the iPhone with a smaller display. > > If you want other stuff like CAT, Log, LOTW support, DX-Cluster, etc. > look at RumLog NG running on your Mac. > > Michael Blake > k9jri at mac.com > > > > > > >> On Sep 14, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Fred Moore > > wrote: >> >> I am aware it doesn't require any SDR software, but wanted to play with >> some.. primary for a panadapter, without adding on a PX3.. I have not >> looked at iSDR for ipad.... will take a look at it.. thanks.. Fred >> >> >> On 9/14/16 2:54 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >>> Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. >>> Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will >>> even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. >>> >>> Fill us in what functions you are looking for. >>> >>> Michael Blake >>> k9jri at mac.com >>> >>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore >> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that >>>> will run >>>> under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but >>>> don't want anything that runs under windows.. >>>> >>>> What are you Mac users using?.. Fred >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fred Moore >>>> WD8KNI >>>> email: fred at fmeco.com >>>> >>>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >>> and is >>> believed to be clean. >> >> -- >> Fred Moore >> email: fred at fmeco.com >> fred at safes.com >> phone: 321-217-8699 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From k9jri at mac.com Thu Sep 15 11:10:38 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A980853-B4B1-4FF2-B8C6-8D823A8D401D@mac.com> Fred, one of the Apple lightning to USB adapters also contains a female Lightning connector that allows for charging/powering along with the USB interface. It is called the ?Lightning Digital AV Adapter? I believe. 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > > Michael, I installed iSDR and ordered to lightning to USB adapter from apple, it will be here tomorrow.. After ordering the adapter I started wondering how to keep the iPad charged when it is powering the sound device.. how do you make that happen, I could not find anything on the web. Do you know if plugging the iPad into a powered USB hub will charge the iPad, as the iPad would be acting as a host hub.. nothing I could find... ???? > > regards... Fred > > On 9/14/16 3:30 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >> Fred, If you have the PigRemote it will serve as the RS-232 connection from iSdr to the KX3. If you do not then then just set the frequency on iSdr to 0 (zero) kHz and the frequency you are tuned to will be at center screen and other signals will be displayed as plus or minus kHz. It works quite well? very well actually. >> >> I use an Apple camera adapter (lightning to usb) with a Griffin iMic to connect from the I/Q jack on the KX3 to the iPad. It works just as well on the iPhone with a smaller display. >> >> If you want other stuff like CAT, Log, LOTW support, DX-Cluster, etc. look at RumLog NG running on your Mac. >> >> Michael Blake >> k9jri at mac.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Fred Moore > wrote: >>> >>> I am aware it doesn't require any SDR software, but wanted to play with >>> some.. primary for a panadapter, without adding on a PX3.. I have not >>> looked at iSDR for ipad.... will take a look at it.. thanks.. Fred >>> >>> >>> On 9/14/16 2:54 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >>>> Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. >>>> Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will >>>> even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. >>>> >>>> Fill us in what functions you are looking for. >>>> >>>> Michael Blake >>>> k9jri at mac.com > >>>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that will run >>>>> under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but >>>>> don't want anything that runs under windows.. >>>>> >>>>> What are you Mac users using?.. Fred >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fred Moore >>>>> WD8KNI >>>>> email: fred at fmeco.com > >>>>> >>>>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* >, and is >>>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> -- >>> Fred Moore >>> email: fred at fmeco.com >>> fred at safes.com >>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner , and is >> believed to be clean. > > -- > Fred Moore > email: fred at fmeco.com > fred at safes.com > phone: 321-217-8699 From michaelwong at mac.com Thu Sep 15 11:10:38 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael Wong) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: Depends on which adapter you bought. This will allow charging and USB 3 (and USB 2) passthrough: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter Look forward to hearing how this works. > On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > > Michael, I installed iSDR and ordered to lightning to USB adapter from > apple, it will be here tomorrow.. After ordering the adapter I started > wondering how to keep the iPad charged when it is powering the sound > device.. how do you make that happen, I could not find anything on the > web. Do you know if plugging the iPad into a powered USB hub will > charge the iPad, as the iPad would be acting as a host hub.. nothing I > could find... ???? > > regards... Fred > > > On 9/14/16 3:30 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >> Fred, If you have the PigRemote it will serve as the RS-232 connection >> from iSdr to the KX3. If you do not then then just set the frequency >> on iSdr to 0 (zero) kHz and the frequency you are tuned to will be at >> center screen and other signals will be displayed as plus or minus >> kHz. It works quite well? very well actually. >> >> I use an Apple camera adapter (lightning to usb) with a Griffin iMic >> to connect from the I/Q jack on the KX3 to the iPad. It works just as >> well on the iPhone with a smaller display. >> >> If you want other stuff like CAT, Log, LOTW support, DX-Cluster, etc. >> look at RumLog NG running on your Mac. >> >> Michael Blake >> k9jri at mac.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Fred Moore >> > wrote: >>> >>> I am aware it doesn't require any SDR software, but wanted to play with >>> some.. primary for a panadapter, without adding on a PX3.. I have not >>> looked at iSDR for ipad.... will take a look at it.. thanks.. Fred >>> >>> >>> On 9/14/16 2:54 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >>>> Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. >>>> Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will >>>> even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. >>>> >>>> Fill us in what functions you are looking for. >>>> >>>> Michael Blake >>>> k9jri at mac.com >>>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that >>>>> will run >>>>> under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but >>>>> don't want anything that runs under windows.. >>>>> >>>>> What are you Mac users using?.. Fred >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fred Moore >>>>> WD8KNI >>>>> email: fred at fmeco.com >>>>> >>>>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >>>> and is >>>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> -- >>> Fred Moore >>> email: fred at fmeco.com >>> fred at safes.com >>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> believed to be clean. > > -- > Fred Moore > email: fred at fmeco.com > fred at safes.com > phone: 321-217-8699 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From k9jri at mac.com Thu Sep 15 11:13:13 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: <445ADAC8-F7B5-48B6-9D03-4B020F33A7CB@mac.com> Fred, Michael Wong has the correct adapter. 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > > Depends on which adapter you bought. This will allow charging and USB 3 (and USB 2) passthrough: > > http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter > > Look forward to hearing how this works. > > >> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Fred Moore > wrote: >> >> Michael, I installed iSDR and ordered to lightning to USB adapter from >> apple, it will be here tomorrow.. After ordering the adapter I started >> wondering how to keep the iPad charged when it is powering the sound >> device.. how do you make that happen, I could not find anything on the >> web. Do you know if plugging the iPad into a powered USB hub will >> charge the iPad, as the iPad would be acting as a host hub.. nothing I >> could find... ???? >> >> regards... Fred >> >> >> On 9/14/16 3:30 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >>> Fred, If you have the PigRemote it will serve as the RS-232 connection >>> from iSdr to the KX3. If you do not then then just set the frequency >>> on iSdr to 0 (zero) kHz and the frequency you are tuned to will be at >>> center screen and other signals will be displayed as plus or minus >>> kHz. It works quite well? very well actually. >>> >>> I use an Apple camera adapter (lightning to usb) with a Griffin iMic >>> to connect from the I/Q jack on the KX3 to the iPad. It works just as >>> well on the iPhone with a smaller display. >>> >>> If you want other stuff like CAT, Log, LOTW support, DX-Cluster, etc. >>> look at RumLog NG running on your Mac. >>> >>> Michael Blake >>> k9jri at mac.com > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Fred Moore >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am aware it doesn't require any SDR software, but wanted to play with >>>> some.. primary for a panadapter, without adding on a PX3.. I have not >>>> looked at iSDR for ipad.... will take a look at it.. thanks.. Fred >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/14/16 2:54 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >>>>> Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. >>>>> Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will >>>>> even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. >>>>> >>>>> Fill us in what functions you are looking for. >>>>> >>>>> Michael Blake >>>>> k9jri at mac.com > > >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore >>>>> > >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that >>>>>> will run >>>>>> under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but >>>>>> don't want anything that runs under windows.. >>>>>> >>>>>> What are you Mac users using?.. Fred >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Fred Moore >>>>>> WD8KNI >>>>>> email: fred at fmeco.com > > >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* >, >>>>> and is >>>>> believed to be clean. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fred Moore >>>> email: fred at fmeco.com > >>>> fred at safes.com > >>>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* >, and is >>> believed to be clean. >> >> -- >> Fred Moore >> email: fred at fmeco.com >> fred at safes.com >> phone: 321-217-8699 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From b.denley at comcast.net Thu Sep 15 11:47:18 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: Plugging any iPad into a powered USB plug will actively charge the iPad batteries. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > > Michael, I installed iSDR and ordered to lightning to USB adapter from > apple, it will be here tomorrow.. After ordering the adapter I started > wondering how to keep the iPad charged when it is powering the sound > device.. how do you make that happen, I could not find anything on the > web. Do you know if plugging the iPad into a powered USB hub will > charge the iPad, as the iPad would be acting as a host hub.. nothing I > could find... ???? > > regards... Fred > > >> On 9/14/16 3:30 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >> Fred, If you have the PigRemote it will serve as the RS-232 connection >> from iSdr to the KX3. If you do not then then just set the frequency >> on iSdr to 0 (zero) kHz and the frequency you are tuned to will be at >> center screen and other signals will be displayed as plus or minus >> kHz. It works quite well? very well actually. >> >> I use an Apple camera adapter (lightning to usb) with a Griffin iMic >> to connect from the I/Q jack on the KX3 to the iPad. It works just as >> well on the iPhone with a smaller display. >> >> If you want other stuff like CAT, Log, LOTW support, DX-Cluster, etc. >> look at RumLog NG running on your Mac. >> >> Michael Blake >> k9jri at mac.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Fred Moore >> > wrote: >>> >>> I am aware it doesn't require any SDR software, but wanted to play with >>> some.. primary for a panadapter, without adding on a PX3.. I have not >>> looked at iSDR for ipad.... will take a look at it.. thanks.. Fred >>> >>> >>>> On 9/14/16 2:54 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >>>> Fred, what is your goal? The KX3 does not require any SDR software. >>>> Panadapter, try iSDR on the iPad. If you have a PigRemote it will >>>> even display the KX3's frequency. It connects to the I/Q jacks. >>>> >>>> Fill us in what functions you are looking for. >>>> >>>> Michael Blake >>>> k9jri at mac.com >>>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 14:39, Fred Moore >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that >>>>> will run >>>>> under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but >>>>> don't want anything that runs under windows.. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Sep 15 13:10:30 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:10:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> <8F705A89-D081-498D-8657-3277211A1A1D@mac.com> Message-ID: Fred, Seems like I recently saw a lightning T-splitter which might work announced (related to the new iPhone with no headphone jack), by Belkin I believe. I wonder if that might be a solution to charging in such a situation. OTOH -- my iPad Mini battery seems to last a very long time. 73, Phil W7OX On 9/15/16 7:40 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > Michael, I installed iSDR and ordered to lightning to USB adapter from > apple, it will be here tomorrow.. After ordering the adapter I started > wondering how to keep the iPad charged when it is powering the sound > device.. how do you make that happen, I could not find anything on the > web. Do you know if plugging the iPad into a powered USB hub will > charge the iPad, as the iPad would be acting as a host hub.. nothing I > could find... ???? > > regards... Fred > > > On 9/14/16 3:30 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >> Fred, If you have the PigRemote it will serve as the RS-232 connection >> from iSdr to the KX3. If you do not then then just set the frequency >> on iSdr to 0 (zero) kHz and the frequency you are tuned to will be at >> center screen and other signals will be displayed as plus or minus >> kHz. It works quite well? very well actually. >> >> I use an Apple camera adapter (lightning to usb) with a Griffin iMic >> to connect from the I/Q jack on the KX3 to the iPad. It works just as >> well on the iPhone with a smaller display. >> >> If you want other stuff like CAT, Log, LOTW support, DX-Cluster, etc. >> look at RumLog NG running on your Mac. >> >> Michael Blake >> k9jri at mac.com From alsopb at comcast.net Thu Sep 15 14:54:10 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 18:54:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LBRIDGE/NEW K3 TUNER -->Runtime error 13 Message-ID: <57DAEE52.90302@comcast.net> I wonder if others are experiencing this. Using LP-Bridge with the K3. When the ATU button is tapped it results in an LP-BRIDGE Runtime error 13. Happens 100% of the time. This is the new K3 AT in a S/N 8XXX K3. The K3 window shows the following commands when the abort takes place. MD2; TQ1; FI5950; IS <750; The last command seems to be the bad actor. 73 DE Brian/K3KO From kf0ur at radins.us Thu Sep 15 17:38:44 2016 From: kf0ur at radins.us (Shel Radin KF0UR) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:38:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SideKars are now in stock Message-ID: <1473975524125-7622515.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, QRPworks is happy to report that SideKars are now in stock and shipping. There was a delay this summer as a new case was designed to accommodate the KX2. The new universal case allows it to: - be mounted on top of a KX2 - be mounted on the right side of the KX3 (like the original case) - sit on a desk for use with a K3/K3S The SideKars in the original case can also be mounted on a KX2 as well. 73, Shel KF0UR QRPworks -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/SideKars-are-now-in-stock-tp7622515.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric at elecraft.com Thu Sep 15 17:49:48 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:49:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talks and demo booths in the next 2 weeks: W9DXCC and W4DXCC In-Reply-To: <1473879585464-7622481.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> <1473879585464-7622481.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4f0b0693-e029-b2f1-6b3e-e0452ef40c85@elecraft.com> And one more talk.. (We're busy this month!) I will be talking at the Northern California DX Club meeting tonight (9/15) in Cupertino, CA. See: http://www.ncdxc.org/ 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ ---- On 9/14/2016 11:59 AM, David Shoaf wrote: > In addition to Wayne's talk at the San Mateo club this coming Friday night, > there will be a demo booth and talks available elsewhere in the US: > > W9DXCC in Schaumberg, Illinois, this weekend: > > We'll have a full booth of demo gear including all the lastest options > available during the show on Saturday, Sept 17th. We'll have show specials > and special bundle pricing on the K3S when purchased with other peripherals. > Raffle prizes include a KX3 and XG3's. Details are here. > > > W4DXCC in Pigeon Forge, TN the following weekend: > > We will be speaking at the HF Bootcamp on the topic of "Operating QRP" plus > there will be a special presentation on Friday night from Elecraft. > Likewise, there will be booth specials and bundle pricing on the K3S and > peripherals. Details are here. > > Do come by the booth to say hello! > > Cheers, > > David > > ----------------------------------------- > David Shoaf > K3/KX3 International Distributor and Customer Support From bobchortek at yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 18:01:24 2016 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 For Sale In-Reply-To: <560437053.1373104.1473893984310@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160914185059.BDDD0149B572@mailman.qth.net> <00b901d20ebd$7c10a880$7431f980$@elecraft.com> <067201d20ec1$f054c510$d0fe4f30$@com> <02b48ad5-0ef7-3e51-61f5-f03308d1c378@embarqmail.com> <067c01d20eca$35f13ab0$a1d3b010$@com> <560437053.1373104.1473893984310@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <462820568.601693.1473976884500@mail.yahoo.com> The KAT500 has been sold. From: Chortek Bob via Elecraft To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:59 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 For Sale Dear All, I have a KPA500 and a KAT500 for sale. ?Both are in mint condition and very lightly used (I use an Alpha 9500 when I need an amp). KPA500 - $2,000 delivered and insured (cables included); KAT500 - $600.00 delivered and insured (cables included). Please email me directly at rlc at berliner.com. 73, Bob/AA6VB ? ? ? ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk Fri Sep 16 07:04:19 2016 From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:04:19 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Message-ID: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Hi all. I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise. I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. Thoughts? 73, Alan. G4GNX From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Sep 16 07:44:24 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 07:44:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <0546a134-6b9e-2e95-87d9-30317bd8ded8@nycap.rr.com> Check out the RX EQ settings. You can do a lot with them. Bill W2BLC K-Line From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Sep 16 07:57:06 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:57:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a proper audio setup on the rig when it arrived or did it just get tossed on the desk and turned on? You need to go to W3FPR's website and take a look at the audio settings Don worked up on the original K3. The K3(s) is a highly configurable radio. To be fair stick an outboard speaker on the K3 and tweek the audio settings. Then again some people don't want to mess with radio settings. The "appliance operators" expect perfect this and perfect that and don't want to lift a finger to get it. On 9/16/2016 6:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > Hi all. > > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise. > I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! > We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. > > I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. > > I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? > > Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. > > Thoughts? > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 16 08:08:15 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:08:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: Alan, Have you considered replacing the speaker in that K3? On 9/16/2016 7:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > Hi all. > > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 16 08:13:31 2016 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (ac5p at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 07:13:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <0546a134-6b9e-2e95-87d9-30317bd8ded8@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <0ae0e78f-5ea1-4e09-b9b4-fd4b8824eb9e@email.android.com> From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri Sep 16 08:29:00 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <1046983227.1902363.1474028940986@mail.yahoo.com> I must say that I respectfully disagree '99% of the time?the fault lies between the chair and the radio'. My comments are restricted to voice mode. ?Alan's comments are related to comparison with Icom DSP radios. ?K3's audio in voice mode (no matter how you set / adjust the RX EQ) is far inferior than Icom. The reason behind is the artifacts from K3 DSP. ?I am of the opinion that the audio (not internal speaker) from KX3 is more comparable to Icom. While I am not young and over 50, I can still hear up to 12KHz. ?Perhaps, this is the reason why I am very sensitive to DSP artifacts. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Kevin ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2016?09?16? (??) 7:57 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a proper audio setup on the rig when it arrived or did it just get tossed on the desk and turned on? You need to go to W3FPR's website and take a look at the audio settings Don worked up on the original K3. The K3(s) is a highly configurable radio. To be fair stick an outboard speaker on the K3 and tweek the audio settings. Then again some people don't want to mess with radio settings. The "appliance operators" expect perfect this and perfect that and don't want to lift a finger to get it. On 9/16/2016 6:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > Hi all. > > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise.?I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! > We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which? also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. > > I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. > > I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? > > Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. > > Thoughts? > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX From cautery at montac.com Fri Sep 16 09:01:23 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Message-ID: I would be interested to see the testing procedure and results that confirm your statement RE: DSP artifacts. Not sure why you would be concerned about audio anywhere near 12 kHz. Sent from my cell phone... pardon the likely typos! ?;) -------- Original message -------- From: Johnny Siu via Elecraft Date:09/16/2016 07:29 (GMT-06:00) To: Kevin ,elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality I must say that I respectfully disagree '99% of the time?the fault lies between the chair and the radio'. My comments are restricted to voice mode. ?Alan's comments are related to comparison with Icom DSP radios. ?K3's audio in voice mode (no matter how you set / adjust the RX EQ) is far inferior than Icom. The reason behind is the artifacts from K3 DSP. ?I am of the opinion that the audio (not internal speaker) from KX3 is more comparable to Icom. While I am not young and over 50, I can still hear up to 12KHz. ?Perhaps, this is the reason why I am very sensitive to DSP artifacts. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ????? ???? Kevin ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2016?09?16? (??) 7:57 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality ?? This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a proper audio setup on the rig when it arrived or did it just get tossed on the desk and turned on? You need to go to W3FPR's website and take a look at the audio settings Don worked up on the original K3. The K3(s) is a highly configurable radio. To be fair stick an outboard speaker on the K3 and tweek the audio settings. Then again some people don't want to mess with radio settings. The "appliance operators" expect perfect this and perfect that and don't want to lift a finger to get it. On 9/16/2016 6:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > Hi all. > > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise.?I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! > We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which? also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. > > I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. > > I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? > > Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. > > Thoughts? > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX ?? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Sep 16 09:01:59 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 05:01:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Message-ID: <201609161302.u8GD20uK024623@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I only listened to the internal K3 speaker for a few days when it was brand new...sounded harsh. Use of headphones K3 sounds great and have been using a ten-inch National Speaker built in the 1950's since then whose ambience I really appreciate. I never haul my K3 out to portable locations so quite happen in the shack in this configuration. Just as in Hi Fi preferences, its personal taste. If you don't care for the sound of the small internal speaker hook something else up. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jermo at carolinaheli.com Fri Sep 16 09:13:46 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:13:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <006601d2101c$298eaa70$7cabff50$@carolinaheli.com> I went round and round with my K3S sound to no avail. I finally realized 2 important facts. 1. When operating I wear headphones. 2. If I want speaker sound it's better to have it directed towards me. So for using the built in speaker a hood or reflector may work, however, I've personally found a separate external speaker gives the best possible sound (especially after the built in EQ is adjusted for the mode I'm working). Just my 2c -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan. G4GNX Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:04 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Hi all. I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise. I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. Thoughts? 73, Alan. G4GNX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Fri Sep 16 09:15:26 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <1046983227.1902363.1474028940986@mail.yahoo.com> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> <1046983227.1902363.1474028940986@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20160916131526.GJ24748@n0nb.us> * On 2016 16 Sep 07:33 -0500, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > My comments are restricted to voice mode. ?Alan's comments are related > to comparison with Icom DSP radios. ?K3's audio in voice mode (no > matter how you set / adjust the RX EQ) is far inferior than Icom. I don't own an Icom and likely never will so I can't compare. I do have some Yaesu radios and a Kenwood TS-520 to compare and coming back to the K3 is relaxing to me. > The reason behind is the artifacts from K3 DSP. ?I am of the opinion > that the audio (not internal speaker) from KX3 is more comparable to > Icom. Is this with the later DSP board or the original? My K3 came with the later version DSP and I don't notice artifacts nor is the K3 audio "tiring". > While I am not young and over 50, I can still hear up to > 12KHz. ?Perhaps, this is the reason why I am very sensitive to DSP > artifacts. I'm very similar but one thing I did right away is to set the RX EQ to roll off all frequencies above 4 kHz or so as much as possible for SSB (for CW my settings are even more aggressive). I don't use the K3 for AM broadcast listening so anything above those frequencies is useless for SSB audio and attenuated to the greatest extent possible. It's also likely that I would have no idea of what artifacts would sound like either. ;-) 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From jermo at carolinaheli.com Fri Sep 16 09:16:22 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:16:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <006801d2101c$8634ed70$929ec850$@carolinaheli.com> In my case the issue was low frequency harmonics in the case/assembly causing the audio to distort. Removing the speaker from the case resulted in very excellent audio from the built in speaker. I re-installed it and use an external speaker now (on the rare occasion I need/want external sound). It's largely a non-issue as I was surprised to find I operate most often with headphones so I can hear better. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality This has been a complaint for the last nine years and 99% of the time the fault lies between the chair and the radio. Did anybody do a proper audio setup on the rig when it arrived or did it just get tossed on the desk and turned on? You need to go to W3FPR's website and take a look at the audio settings Don worked up on the original K3. The K3(s) is a highly configurable radio. To be fair stick an outboard speaker on the K3 and tweek the audio settings. Then again some people don't want to mess with radio settings. The "appliance operators" expect perfect this and perfect that and don't want to lift a finger to get it. On 9/16/2016 6:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > Hi all. > > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise. > I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! > We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. > > I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. > > I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? > > Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. > > Thoughts? > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Sep 16 09:36:47 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:36:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <006801d2101c$8634ed70$929ec850$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006801d2101c$8634ed70$929ec850$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <5df8551f-cf6a-38f9-b7c4-1cbc9538b092@nycap.rr.com> First - my K3 never leaves my desk. Hence, no issues with external speakers. It took me several months of adjusting the EQ and AGC (many settings available to the user to suit their desires) to get the sound I desired from my Behringer MS40 speakers. Armchair surround copy! Best sounding rig I ever had - and up until about ten years ago, I had nearly all of them since the 60s. The beauty of the K3 being the availability of the many menu settings to adjust the rig to whatever you want. Bill W2BLC K-Line From pincon at erols.com Fri Sep 16 09:49:40 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:49:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <006801d2101c$8634ed70$929ec850$@carolinaheli.com> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> <006801d2101c$8634ed70$929ec850$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <003d01d21021$2f7f9020$8e7eb060$@erols.com> I have yet to use any internal SS radio's speaker except for an occasional test or possibly a portable set-up. They may as well leave it out as far as I'm concerned. NONE of them come anywhere close to the sound quality I get from simple outboard speakers. (Note, this does NOT include the over-priced, cheap speaker in a metal box often sold as a matching "accessory" by the big-three.) Personally, I find the recovered audio from my K3s, feeding two little computer speakers to be the best of any modern radio I have ever used. That said, it's hard to beat the audio from an old boatanchor radio with push-pull 6V6's driving a big 12" speaker cabinet. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Moore Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:16 AM To: 'Kevin' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In my case the issue was low frequency harmonics in the case/assembly causing the audio to distort. Removing the speaker from the case resulted in very excellent audio from the built in speaker. I re-installed it and use an external speaker now (on the rare occasion I need/want external sound). It's largely a non-issue as I was surprised to find I operate most often with headphones so I can hear better. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 10:20:43 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:20:43 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will help a great deal. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Sep 2016, at 14:04, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > > Hi all. > > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise. > I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! > We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. > > I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. > > I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? > > Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. > > Thoughts? > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From k5aj at gmx.com Fri Sep 16 11:08:26 2016 From: k5aj at gmx.com (k5aj at gmx.com) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:08:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New member intro Message-ID: <57DC0AEA.1010706@gmx.com> Hi, Thank you for allowing me to join this listserv list. I'm about midway toward building KPA500 kit. Goal is to use it for NVIS comms. Yaesu 1200 --- KPA-500 --- MFJ915 Line Isolator --- MFJ998R Rmt Autotuner --- MFJ915 Balun --- Ladder Line --- Random Length Dipole with LadderLoc at 32 ft. This arrangement works great "barefoot," and I look forward to incorporating the KPA-500. My worst SWR on any frequency is 1.3; and it's at 12M (which I won't need anyway). Building the KPA-500 is interesting and gives me great respect and admiration for the micro-surgery professions. Glad I have a good magnifying glass handy. I highly recommend that all medical students who intend to pursue vascular or neuro-surgery be required to build a KPA-500 as a prerequisite. :) Thanks, for all your hard work, and I hope to become useful to this listserv list. Jack K5AJ Windcrest, TX From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 16 11:28:49 2016 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:28:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <3FB79D4333D741468F3CED8F2387FFE9@DavidPC> I stand a stiff cardboard box (for my Kent paddle) behind the speaker and that throws the sound toward me. The K3 speaker in an external box would be very good. I have Pyle battery powered speakers which are also excellent and very small as advised on the list some while ago. David G3UNA > High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a speaker > facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small speaker in > a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will help a great > deal. > > Vic 4X6GP From n0nb at n0nb.us Fri Sep 16 11:35:16 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:35:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <20160916153515.GK24748@n0nb.us> * On 2016 16 Sep 09:17 -0500, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a > speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small > speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will > help a great deal. I don't use the internal speaker on the K3 as it sits under a shelf and with the radio sloping rearward, that is probably a recipe in frustration. I have a pair of Radio Shack Minimus 3.5 speakers (now probably getting close to 25 years old and not amplified) connected to the K3 and facing me positioned on either side and to the rear of the computer monitor that sits on the shelf directly above the K3. The audio is pleasant to me with the K3's volume control rarely advanced above the 9:30 or so position. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From mail at cvkimball.com Fri Sep 16 11:54:54 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:54:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go? Message-ID: <1474041294121-7622535.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm running a test on my K3 with Olivia 8/500 data mode at 40 W output. The duty cycle is 1/3 transmit (4 min) and 2/3 receive. A "LOW BAT" warning and beep occur occasionally during transmit, however, the ALC remains at about 4 bars solid, one flickering. The voltage during receive is more than 11 V, but during transmit it drops into the 9.x range sporadically. The test is into a dummy load and I have no way to judge the signal quality. When, at this power level, should I stop the test? What's the best indication that the voltage is too low for a clean and usable signal? Chris NQ8Z -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-low-V-can-the-K3-go-tp7622535.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc7eqo at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 12:07:01 2016 From: kc7eqo at gmail.com (Matthew Lawson) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:07:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <20160916153515.GK24748@n0nb.us> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> <20160916153515.GK24748@n0nb.us> Message-ID: My K3 has had weak audio on the external speaker, have to crank volume knob up almost all the way up. Seems like there is no amplification. Need to check into it. *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2016 16 Sep 09:17 -0500, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a > > speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small > > speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will > > help a great deal. > > I don't use the internal speaker on the K3 as it sits under a shelf and > with the radio sloping rearward, that is probably a recipe in > frustration. I have a pair of Radio Shack Minimus 3.5 speakers (now > probably getting close to 25 years old and not amplified) connected to > the K3 and facing me positioned on either side and to the rear of the > computer monitor that sits on the shelf directly above the K3. The > audio is pleasant to me with the K3's volume control rarely advanced > above the 9:30 or so position. > > 73, Nate, N0NB > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc7eqo at gmail.com > From g4urt at btinternet.com Fri Sep 16 12:08:20 2016 From: g4urt at btinternet.com (g4urt at btinternet.com) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12v RCA rear socket. References: <1395485043.4316584.1474042100377.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1395485043.4316584.1474042100377@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I've just hooked up my new hupRF K3 IF buffer to the 12v RCA socket at the rear of the K3 expecting to see some volts. The buffer requires 12v at 10ma to drive it. Nothing. Zilch. I've perused the instructions and Freds book but cannot see if I have to enable this function. Its either that or the socket is defunct. I put the K3 together about 4 years but have never had the need to use the 12v RCA output before. Anyone out there got a clue of what could have gone wrong? Apart from this all is working well with the rig. Cheers, Peter G4URT From mattz at elecraft.com Fri Sep 16 12:12:12 2016 From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:12:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go? In-Reply-To: <1474041294121-7622535.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474041294121-7622535.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9bf27fde-7e93-8d5b-ec79-df8d5ff4c5cc@elecraft.com> The K3 / K3S is rated to meet its specs with a power source between 11 and 15V. The problem with operating at low voltages is that the TX IMD increases. Distortion of any type is one of the enemies of data modes. Well, really, ALL modes. I wouldn't operate the K3 / K3S much below 11.5V, personally. A solution for battery operation when the source voltage is too low is a battery booster such as the N8XJK : http://stores.tgelectronics.org/the-new-n8xjk-boost-regulator/. These devices have a setting to go into an alarm state if the source voltage is too low (I set mine to 10.5V), and you can set the output for up to 15VDC even with a source voltage as low as 9 VDC. This will all work with a power supply as well. You may want to beef up your supply cabling if you're seeing such a large voltage drop from source to K3. If you're using a battery, read the specs to determine the lowest safe operating voltage. Running a battery discharging below this minimum voltage will shorten its life (called overdischarge). 73! matt W6NIA On 9/16/2016 8:54 AM, Chris Kimball wrote: > I'm running a test on my K3 with Olivia 8/500 data mode at 40 W output. The > duty cycle is 1/3 transmit (4 min) and 2/3 receive. A "LOW BAT" warning and > beep occur occasionally during transmit, however, the ALC remains at about 4 > bars solid, one flickering. The voltage during receive is more than 11 V, > but during transmit it drops into the 9.x range sporadically. > > The test is into a dummy load and I have no way to judge the signal quality. > > When, at this power level, should I stop the test? What's the best > indication that the voltage is too low for a clean and usable signal? > > Chris > NQ8Z > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-low-V-can-the-K3-go-tp7622535.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com Office: 831-763-4211 x125 Mobile: 909-730-6552 [Shiraz] From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Sep 16 12:42:04 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:42:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <003d01d21021$2f7f9020$8e7eb060$@erols.com> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> <006801d2101c$8634ed70$929ec850$@carolinaheli.com> <003d01d21021$2f7f9020$8e7eb060$@erols.com> Message-ID: I usually use a Yamaha CM500 headset which I like very much. For an external speaker, early into the hobby I made a nice walnut frame with grill cloth to house an old speaker from a Muntz TV, if you remember those. It became a keepsake. Dick, n0ce On 9/16/2016 8:49 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > I have yet to use any internal SS radio's speaker except for an occasional test or possibly a portable set-up. > They may as well leave it out as far as I'm concerned. NONE of them come anywhere close to the sound quality I get from simple outboard speakers. > (Note, this does NOT include the over-priced, cheap speaker in a metal box often sold as a matching "accessory" by the big-three.) > Personally, I find the recovered audio from my K3s, feeding two little computer speakers to be the best of any modern radio I have ever used. > That said, it's hard to beat the audio from an old boatanchor radio with push-pull 6V6's driving a big 12" speaker cabinet. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > From ron at cobi.biz Fri Sep 16 13:04:18 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:04:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <003301d2103c$5d2ce070$1786a150$@biz> As Kevin notes it's a long-standing complaint. Actually, it goes back to about 1999 when the first grumbles about the upward-facing speaker on the original Elecraft K2 were posted. It's especially true in a "live" room where the audio is reflected from various surfaces or where a shelf is close to the top of the rig that muffles the audio. One excellent solution is to fold some stiff paper in a "U" with one surface slanted at 45 degrees. Place it on top of the K3 with the open side facing you, so the sound bounces off of the paper and toward you. The difference is dramatic. You can simply hold any firm flat surface - a book for example - and demonstrate the effect. Black paper will blend in and be almost invisible. A few bits of tape will hold it in pace. A little more "techie" solution is to add an Elecraft SP3 loudspeaker to your setup. It's larger, forward-facing speaker is a significant improvement and the cabinet matches the K3 so it can sit alongside or anywhere convenient. 73, Ron AC7AC On 9/16/2016 6:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > Hi all. > > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise. > I suspect that part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal preference, or not really setup at all! > We made a comparison last week against a new Icom IC7300 which also had an external speaker and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was still superior. > > I have never really had an issue with audio on my personal K3, but then I?m into clear communication and over the years I?ve trained my ears to listen in the noise and pick out voices, whilst ignoring the mush, much the same as in a crowded room when attempting a conversation with one or two individuals. > > I do know what good hi-fi sound is but do not necessarily look for that in a communications device, so are some members being over-pedantic? > > Another Radio Ham reported that he had by accident parked his new K3S under a shelf which ?threw? the sound forward and he found that it was greatly enhanced. I wonder if fitting some sort of hood, in keeping with the K3?s style, would be worth trying, or maybe replacing the internal speaker with a better device. I don?t really want to start campaigning to purchase an external speaker for the K3 because it?s another ?lump? that needs to be carted around to club meetings and events. > > Thoughts? > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Sep 16 13:05:25 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:05:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go? In-Reply-To: <9bf27fde-7e93-8d5b-ec79-df8d5ff4c5cc@elecraft.com> References: <1474041294121-7622535.post@n2.nabble.com> <9bf27fde-7e93-8d5b-ec79-df8d5ff4c5cc@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <8B048AF4-FF24-46C4-BAD3-7D2C39201D93@elecraft.com> The K3 will actually continue to operate well below 11 V, which is rare for any desktop transceiver. It will automatically reduce maximum allowed transmit power output, to some degree, based on the supply voltage. This allows use from a depleted 12-V car battery, for example. Our objective is to keep you on the air even in less-than-ideal conditions. But as you noted, higher supply voltages result in improved IMD performance. Low voltages should only be used when there's no other choice. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > The K3 / K3S is rated to meet its specs with a power source between 11 and 15V. The problem with operating at low voltages is that the TX IMD increases. Distortion of any type is one of the enemies of data modes. Well, really, ALL modes. > > I wouldn't operate the K3 / K3S much below 11.5V, personally. A solution for battery operation when the source voltage is too low is a battery booster such as the N8XJK : http://stores.tgelectronics.org/the-new-n8xjk-boost-regulator/. These devices have a setting to go into an alarm state if the source voltage is too low (I set mine to 10.5V), and you can set the output for up to 15VDC even with a source voltage as low as 9 VDC. This will all work with a power supply as well. You may want to beef up your supply cabling if you're seeing such a large voltage drop from source to K3. > > If you're using a battery, read the specs to determine the lowest safe operating voltage. Running a battery discharging below this minimum voltage will shorten its life (called overdischarge). > > 73! > > matt W6NIA > > > On 9/16/2016 8:54 AM, Chris Kimball wrote: >> I'm running a test on my K3 with Olivia 8/500 data mode at 40 W output. The >> duty cycle is 1/3 transmit (4 min) and 2/3 receive. A "LOW BAT" warning and >> beep occur occasionally during transmit, however, the ALC remains at about 4 >> bars solid, one flickering. The voltage during receive is more than 11 V, >> but during transmit it drops into the 9.x range sporadically. >> >> The test is into a dummy load and I have no way to judge the signal quality. >> >> When, at this power level, should I stop the test? What's the best >> indication that the voltage is too low for a clean and usable signal? >> >> Chris >> NQ8Z >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-low-V-can-the-K3-go-tp7622535.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > > -- > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > www.elecraft.com > Office: 831-763-4211 x125 > Mobile: 909-730-6552 > [Shiraz] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 13:10:47 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go? In-Reply-To: <1474041294121-7622535.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474041294121-7622535.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The manufacturer has clearly, often, repeatedly stated, and keeps posted their specification that the K3/K3S is designed for 11 to 15 volts. Optimum THD is at the high end of that range. I have my supplies set at 14.4 VDC for this reason. This is also the bulk charge voltage for my "12" volt batteries which proves handy at times. Your operation at nine point something is simply out of bounds. Batteries with 9 volts in their routine sustainable discharge curve are inappropriate for the K3/K3S. Operating any data mode away from the point of best linearity is poor practice other than for continuation of communication in emergencies. For normal operation, especially data, if you aren't operating at 14.4 then fix it so you are. Stay there. Discharging lead-based batteries below 11 volts will shorten life. Each time you let batteries drop below 11 volts the length of time decreases that you can operate below 11 volts following a recharge. If you are into emergency preparedness, you save the south of 11 volt operation for actual emergencies where you don't have a choice. Remember that when you go south of 11 you are using up the battery's useful life. The manufacturer is telling you that the K3/K3S is not designed for south of 11. South of 11 is a foul ball. Personally I manage the huge T105's in my RV to stay above 11.5 VDC in camps without power hookup. They are expensive, very heavy, and a real pain in the *ss to change out. 73, Guy K2AV On Friday, September 16, 2016, Chris Kimball wrote: > > I'm running a test on my K3 with Olivia 8/500 data mode at 40 W output. The > duty cycle is 1/3 transmit (4 min) and 2/3 receive. A "LOW BAT" warning > and > beep occur occasionally during transmit, however, the ALC remains at about > 4 > bars solid, one flickering. The voltage during receive is more than 11 V, > but during transmit it drops into the 9.x range sporadically. > > The test is into a dummy load and I have no way to judge the signal > quality. > > When, at this power level, should I stop the test? What's the best > indication that the voltage is too low for a clean and usable signal? > > Chris > NQ8Z > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/How-low-V-can-the-K3-go-tp7622535.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 16 13:16:27 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:16:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12v RCA rear socket. In-Reply-To: <1395485043.4316584.1474042100377@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1395485043.4316584.1474042100377.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1395485043.4316584.1474042100377@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3bde1af1-3de2-cdd7-e017-77458e8ad6d0@embarqmail.com> Peter, There is no 'setup' for the AUX 12V output - I think yours is broken. If you want to make some measurements, take a look at the lower right corner of RF Board schematic sheet 3. The RFC and resettable fuse are thru-hole components, so troubleshooting should be easy. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/16/2016 12:08 PM, g4urt at btinternet.com wrote: > Hi, > I've just hooked up my new hupRF K3 IF buffer to the 12v RCA socket at the rear of the K3 expecting to see some volts. The buffer requires 12v at 10ma to drive it. Nothing. Zilch. I've perused the instructions and Freds book but cannot see if I have to enable this function. Its either that or the socket is defunct. I put the K3 together about 4 years but have never had the need to use the 12v RCA output before. > From robert.converse at finnegan.com Fri Sep 16 14:00:52 2016 From: robert.converse at finnegan.com (Converse, Robert) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:00:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem Message-ID: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFECA7B3@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming loose on the KXPD2 paddles. I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO. I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if anyone has a fix for this problem. I would prefer to avoid loss of use of the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to Maryland. Bob, WO3E This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. From psaffren at elecraft.com Fri Sep 16 14:15:43 2016 From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:15:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 version 1.18 Production Firmware Released Message-ID: <1474049743954-7622544.post@n2.nabble.com> Elecraft XG3 Firmware 1.18 is now available for download using the XG3 Utility. Version 1.18 simply fixes a bug that caused the start frequency of a programmed sweep to increment by the sweep step size on the second sweep. (thank you Mark Crouch AC4D for finding it). No other features were added at this time. 73, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-version-1-18-Production-Firmware-Released-tp7622544.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From g4urt at btinternet.com Fri Sep 16 14:12:19 2016 From: g4urt at btinternet.com (g4urt at btinternet.com) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks References: <104142257.4396452.1474049539527.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <104142257.4396452.1474049539527@mail.yahoo.com> To those who replied to my plea... Many thanks for your input. Delving further into the rig it seems that when you put an RCA plug into the socket it bends the centre tab down to complete a circuit and gives the 12v....having checked the volts etc there is 12v (fuse is fine) at the base of the RCA but putting a plug in doesn't fully complete the circuit hence no volts going out. That is the derivation of ?'switched socket' on rear of rig.... Looks like some minor surgery (bending of tab) to be performed tomorrow!!! Much obliged to all - you know who you are!! Thanks, Peter G4URT From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Sep 16 14:43:38 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:43:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <7a8504ad-795d-6c22-9278-bd8ff9bfaa9c@foothill.net> A recurring theme on this list, Alan. My hearing is sufficiently challenged that the only audio my K3 ever produces go into headphones, which are hugely improved over the "cans" on the mid-20th Century. I have found that the internal speakers in many of today's transceivers leave a lot to be desired. I find the K3 internal speaker to be in the lower part of the "audio quality" spectrum. That said, You can lay your headphones on the desk and still copy CW [old RO's trick for weak signals in noise]. You will also hear voice and it will be intelligible, but it doesn't sound good. Mark this as one end of the quality spectrum A number of years ago, I inherited a Hallicrafters SX-28 with the bass reflex speaker cabinet. The cabinet is about belt-high, and about 50 cm wide and deep [receiver will fit nicely on top]. The speaker is about 30-35 cm in diameter, and has a very large, strong magnet. Internally, it has a baffle that directs the energy from the rear of the speaker back, around, and eventually out the bottom front ... a fairly long path. The SX-28 uses two 6V6's in push-pull for 8 watts undistorted audio out. It sounds fantastic! Mark that as the other end of the quality spectrum. I formed a theory long ago that speakers are like antennas. A small antenna [relative to wavelength] will radiate, but not well. Likewise, a small speaker will speak, but it does so best at higher frequencies. If you want balanced audio, you need apparatus that "radiates" well at longer wavelengths. Electronic equalization can do a lot, but in the end, it's the "antenna" that makes the final difference. My K3 has much less empty volume inside that my TS-950 did. The 950 sounded better. My K2 has less empty volume than my K3, and predictably, sounds worse I forwarded my theory to Stockholm ... just waiting now for the Nobel Committee to send me travel instructions. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 9/16/2016 4:04 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: > I wonder if I can get some feedback about K3 audio from the built in > speaker. Please note that this is not a K3 bashing session, my > comments are made as an enquiry based on observed facts. > > We have a K3 at the local Ham Radio club and we often get complaints > that the audio from the internal speaker is not very good quality, > even when signals are 5/9 and virtually no RF noise. I suspect that > part of the reason is that the K3 is setup to someone?s personal > preference, or not really setup at all! We made a comparison last > week against a new Icom IC7300 which also had an external speaker > and the IC7300 ?won? hands down. At first I made an excuse that it > was the external speaker, but we unplugged it and the IC7300 was > still superior. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Sep 16 14:46:53 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:46:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Message-ID: <201609161846.u8GIkrnV017529@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> PS: I have just gotten new hearing aids that have bluetooth capability. Soon will try using the audio appliance to interface with headphone output of the K3, which will eliminate all speakers (if it works well). It works well when used with my iphone, so likely will be nice for working weak-signals with the radio (my biggest challenge is hearing in white-noise). But for casual haming with armchair signals the big old ten inch National speaker sounds real nice with the K3. http://www.kl7uw.com/Shack2011_1.jpg speaker at left side of photo I use the COMspkr from West Mountain with my KX3 in the shack and will use the KX3 mobile with the Sync in my truck. And note in this 1958 photo of my Novice station the speaker (and also the headphones) next to the typewriter! http://www.kl7uw.com/1958%20HamStation.jpg 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From nz8j at woh.rr.com Fri Sep 16 14:48:28 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3/PX3 Message-ID: <000001d2104a$ea01da60$be058f20$@woh.rr.com> Radio and camping is turning out to be not as much fun as I remember so I'm selling the KX3/PX3 I bought for that purpose. KX3 serial number 76XX (factory assembled) ATU Bandpass filter KXPD3 Paddle Charger/clock MH3 Mic BNC-BP binding post Manual and power cord PX3 serial 15XX (factory assembled) Cables Manual and power cord USB programming cable that works with both the PX3 and KX3 All in excellent physical condition. Latest firmware in both The KX3 has one issue (the amp keying transistor is bad), Elecraft says $100 for them to fix it, maybe someone with the skills and equipment can replace it themselves) All other aspects of the KX3 work perfect. If you don't use an amp then you'll never know it has the issue. Considering the issue with the KX3 I will sell the entire package for $1295 shipped and insured in the US. PayPal preferred, I pay the fee. Please email direct to nz8j at woh.rr.com with any questions. I prefer to sell as a package, may consider splitting them up if no one shows interest in the package after a reasonable amount of time Thanks Tim NZ8J From n4cc at windstream.net Fri Sep 16 15:18:40 2016 From: n4cc at windstream.net (Greg) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:18:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Message-ID: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 speaker to go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to the second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the FT1000D and the K3, making equalizer adjustments to the K3 as I did so. Finally I felt I had the K3 sounding like a FT-1000D. My friend came over and I made him turn around so he could not see which radio he was listening to...At that point when I switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell which was which. Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make changes to a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed... The beauty of the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and adjusting the sound to personal taste is only one feature! 73, Greg-N4CC From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 15:30:32 2016 From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:30:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talk in November in Southern California In-Reply-To: <4f0b0693-e029-b2f1-6b3e-e0452ef40c85@elecraft.com> References: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> <1473879585464-7622481.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f0b0693-e029-b2f1-6b3e-e0452ef40c85@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1474054232033-7622550.post@n2.nabble.com> Looking forward to November, we'll also be in Southern California at the SoCal DX Club meeting November 10th. The topic is, "Emerging Remote Architectures for Ham Radio". Cheers, David ----------------------------------------- David Shoaf K3/KX3 International Distributor and Customer Support +1-831-763-4211 x121 KG6IRW ----------------------------------------- -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-talk-this-coming-Friday-night-tp7622470p7622550.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Sep 16 15:44:38 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:44:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST Message-ID: <1474055078813-7622551.post@n2.nabble.com> In text for "A Radio by the Barbie" on page 20 of OCT QST the radio is listed as a KX3, however radio in photo is definitely not a KX3. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-KX3-wannabe-in-photo-of-Qct-QST-tp7622551.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rwnewbould at comcast.net Fri Sep 16 17:14:57 2016 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:14:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? Rich K3RWN On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: > When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 speaker to > go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 > sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to the > second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the FT1000D and > the K3, making equalizer adjustments to the K3 as I did so. Finally I felt > I had the K3 sounding like a FT-1000D. My friend came over and I made him > turn around so he could not see which radio he was listening to...At that > point when I switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell which > was which. Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make changes to > a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed... The beauty of > the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and adjusting the sound to > personal taste is only one feature! 73, Greg-N4CC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rwnewbould at comcast.net > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Fri Sep 16 17:46:22 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Control Problem Message-ID: K2 s/n 567 has gone deaf to I/O access. It's current for mods. Everything else in the radio seems to work fine. VFOs tune, all switch functions appear to work, Port is ON, etc. If I connect it to the EC2-mounted KPA100, operating the power output knob causes the Low/High Power LEDs to indicate properly. I'm guessing that just means the AUX Bus is working, but my problem is probably with RXD. The KIO2 is OK. I swapped it out with the one in my other K2 s/n 6911 and both work fine in that rig. Both K2's are connected to a PC via separate USB converter cables. The converters both work and the special USB-K2 cables work with either K2. They have been in almost daily use for several months, and worked fine. I put a scope on Pin 3 of the KIO2 connector and issued a Get command to read a VFO, then traced the resulting characters all the way to MCU pin 26. A Set command also could be traced from pin 26 back. Lots more characters were generated for Set than for Get, so that all looks OK. I'm stuck as I don't know anything at all about what's happening from the MCU, or how to test it, but it looks like it's getting what it needs from the PC. Is it the MCU (v. 2.04) itself that is at fault? I'm nervous about swapping the control board from s/n 6911 even though the older K2 board is current on mods. If it's safe to do, I'll try it. Any help appreciated. This is the first failure of either K2 so no complaints from me. Eric KE6US From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 16 17:46:47 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:47 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <00fb01d21063$d3871de0$7a9559a0$@sbcglobal.net> Remember RX EQ settings are by mode. One for CW and one for SSB. Also, has already been mentioned, the settings that suit your taste for audio quality may not suit anyone else. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:15 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? Rich K3RWN On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: > When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 > speaker to go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he > thought the K3 sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I > hooked the K3 up to the second input on the SP5 and switched back and > forth between the FT1000D and the K3, making equalizer adjustments to > the K3 as I did so. Finally I felt I had the K3 sounding like a > FT-1000D. My friend came over and I made him turn around so he could > not see which radio he was listening to...At that point when I > switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell which was > which. Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make changes > to a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed... The > beauty of the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and > adjusting the sound to personal taste is only one feature! 73, > Greg-N4CC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > rwnewbould at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Sep 16 17:47:24 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:47:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talk in November in Southern California In-Reply-To: <1474054232033-7622550.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> <1473879585464-7622481.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f0b0693-e029-b2f1-6b3e-e0452ef40c85@elecraft.com> <1474054232033-7622550.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0c874dfb-7a93-2ee0-8adb-29d2f8d4fe09@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,9/16/2016 12:30 PM, David Shoaf wrote: > Looking forward to November, we'll also be in Southern California at the > SoCal DX Club meeting November 10th. > > The topic is, "Emerging Remote Architectures for Ham Radio". I heard David give this excellent talk to the Santa Cruz club a few months ago. Really good, and not "Elecraft centric," not limited to only one kind of remote system, it describes them all. Highly recommended. 73, Jim K9YC From mail at cvkimball.com Fri Sep 16 17:48:25 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:48:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] How low (V) can the K3 go? In-Reply-To: References: <1474041294121-7622535.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474062505804-7622554.post@n2.nabble.com> Just to complete the picture, I was away from the test for a bit and came back to find the K3 turned off. It came right back when a reasonable voltage was applied. Very likely, the voltage got too low at one point in the transmission and sent the internal computer down. When it's down, you're done! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-low-V-can-the-K3-go-tp7622535p7622554.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Sep 16 17:51:56 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:51:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <5ac330ff-6260-4d97-6656-39f4eb297148@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,9/16/2016 7:20 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > High frequencies propagate in a straight line from a speaker, so a speaker facing upward loses 'presence'. Also the K3 speaker is a small speaker in a small box. An external speaker, facing the operator, will help a great deal. This is exactly right. Someone else wrote: > The reason behind is the artifacts from K3 DSP. False. ALL audio goes through DSP. If it sounds good on headphones or an external speaker, bad sound is NOT the result of DSP -- unless it's been badly adjusted, like pushing up the low end or pushing up highs. But that's a USER problem, not a problem with the radio. It's all very simple physics. Look at the size of the loudspeaker. Its low frequency output is limited by its size as a fraction of a wavelength. The K3 and K3S are designed as compact, light weight radios. The speaker used is quite good for its size. If you want big bass, you need a big loudspeaker (or at least one a lot bigger than the little guy in the K3 and K3S). BUT -- ham radio is NOT about high fidelity, it's about COMMUNICATIONS quality sound. Nearly a century ago, Bell Labs learned through a lot of research that all it takes for communications is smooth (flat) response between about 500 Hz and 3 kHz, and the telephone system was designed around that bandwidth. Most hams I know use headphones for serious operation, and use the speaker only for monitoring while doing something else in the shack, or for tuning in digital modes like RTTY, or listening for meteor pings with WSJT modes. If you want better sound through a speaker, buy a decent front-facing speaker and plug it into the rear panel jack. 73, Jim K9YC From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 17:56:55 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:56:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks In-Reply-To: <104142257.4396452.1474049539527@mail.yahoo.com> References: <104142257.4396452.1474049539527.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <104142257.4396452.1474049539527@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There also is an issue that caused me a lot of grief until I figured it out: some pins on RCA plugs are not long enough to contact the tongues on some RCA jacks. This could be an issue with the shoulders of the jacks or the shape of the shell of the plug. But the result is that the pin just barely, barely makes contact with the tongue, which is a recipe for all kinds of undesired behavior. I bought a little bag of simple RCA plugs with a longer pin and I now make all my RCA pinned cords myself. All the ready-made off the shelf cords have short pins. 73, Guy K2AV On Friday, September 16, 2016, wrote: > To those who replied to my plea... > Many thanks for your input. > Delving further into the rig it seems that when you put an RCA plug into > the socket it bends the centre tab down to complete a circuit and gives the > 12v....having checked the volts etc there is 12v (fuse is fine) at the base > of the RCA but putting a plug in doesn't fully complete the circuit hence > no volts going out. That is the derivation of 'switched socket' on rear of > rig.... > Looks like some minor surgery (bending of tab) to be performed tomorrow!!! > Much obliged to all - you know who you are!! > Thanks, Peter G4URT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From radioham at mchsi.com Fri Sep 16 18:07:44 2016 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:07:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Additional Elecraft talk in November in Southern California References: <2ACF5E17-06DF-42A2-99E2-8A4B3ADC1BB9@elecraft.com> <1473879585464-7622481.post@n2.nabble.com> <4f0b0693-e029-b2f1-6b3e-e0452ef40c85@elecraft.com> <1474054232033-7622550.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7C5AC93A-5B06-46C5-A5F7-AEC10E0D4F32@mchsi.com> Pity it isn?t available to those of us in more rural areas. Wish it could be filmed an put on Utube. David K0LUM Iowa > On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Fri,9/16/2016 12:30 PM, David Shoaf wrote: >> Looking forward to November, we'll also be in Southern California at the >> SoCal DX Club meeting November 10th. >> >> The topic is, "Emerging Remote Architectures for Ham Radio". > > I heard David give this excellent talk to the Santa Cruz club a few months ago. Really good, and not "Elecraft centric," not limited to only one kind of remote system, it describes them all. Highly recommended. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Sep 16 18:15:58 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:15:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <00fb01d21063$d3871de0$7a9559a0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> <00fb01d21063$d3871de0$7a9559a0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9488E255-AE24-4C4A-B587-90BB10D4D8D9@wunderwood.org> It would still be nice to see some examples. A while back, a bunch of people posted their TX EQ settings. Some were outliers, but a few were very similar. It was clear that about a third of those posted had come to pretty much the same settings. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > > Remember RX EQ settings are by mode. One for CW and one for SSB. > Also, has already been mentioned, the settings that suit your taste for > audio quality may not suit anyone else. > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:15 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality > > Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? > > Rich > > K3RWN > > > On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: >> When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 >> speaker to go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he >> thought the K3 sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I >> hooked the K3 up to the second input on the SP5 and switched back and >> forth between the FT1000D and the K3, making equalizer adjustments to >> the K3 as I did so. Finally I felt I had the K3 sounding like a >> FT-1000D. My friend came over and I made him turn around so he could >> not see which radio he was listening to...At that point when I >> switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell which was >> which. Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make changes >> to a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed... The >> beauty of the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and >> adjusting the sound to personal taste is only one feature! 73, >> Greg-N4CC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> rwnewbould at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 16 18:22:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:22:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Control Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric, Yes, you can swap the Control Boards between the 2 K2s for that test. Just don't get them mixed up and do not change any of the menu or calibration settings in the process. The EEPROM values are for the K2 that it was aligned with! It may be easier than that - Has this K2 lost its sidetone too? If so, that is the problem (unless your firmware is 2.04r). Go to the STL menu and tap DISPLAY until you hear sidetone - the sidetone source must be U8-4. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/16/2016 5:46 PM, Eric J wrote: > K2 s/n 567 has gone deaf to I/O access. It's current for mods. Everything else in the radio seems to work fine. VFOs tune, all switch functions appear to work, Port is ON, etc. If I connect it to the EC2-mounted KPA100, operating the power output knob causes the Low/High Power LEDs to indicate properly. I'm guessing that just means the AUX Bus is working, but my problem is probably with RXD. > > The KIO2 is OK. I swapped it out with the one in my other K2 s/n 6911 and both work fine in that rig. > > > Both K2's are connected to a PC via separate USB converter cables. The converters both work and the special USB-K2 cables work with either K2. They have been in almost daily use for several months, and worked fine. > > I put a scope on Pin 3 of the KIO2 connector and issued a Get command to read a VFO, then traced the resulting characters all the way to MCU pin 26. A Set command also could be traced from pin 26 back. Lots more characters were generated for Set than for Get, so that all looks OK. > > I'm stuck as I don't know anything at all about what's happening from the MCU, or how to test it, but it looks like it's getting what it needs from the PC. Is it the MCU (v. 2.04) itself that is at fault? > > I'm nervous about swapping the control board from s/n 6911 even though the older K2 board is current on mods. If it's safe to do, I'll try it. > > Any help appreciated. This is the first failure of either K2 so no complaints from me. > > Eric KE6US > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From augie.hansen at comcast.net Fri Sep 16 18:37:40 2016 From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:37:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <5ac330ff-6260-4d97-6656-39f4eb297148@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> <5ac330ff-6260-4d97-6656-39f4eb297148@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <84215c63-a750-f020-fed5-7892135b17f1@comcast.net> Hi Jim, > ... > It's all very simple physics. Look at the size of the loudspeaker. Its > low frequency output is limited by its size as a fraction of a > wavelength. The K3 and K3S are designed as compact, light weight > radios. The speaker used is quite good for its size. If you want big > bass, you need a big loudspeaker (or at least one a lot bigger than > the little guy in the K3 and K3S). BUT -- ham radio is NOT about high > fidelity, it's about COMMUNICATIONS quality sound. Having the sub receiver doubles my listening pleasure. I use a pair of old RS Minimus-7 speakers with my original K3, and am using a pair of Jensen Powered Speakers (JPS 45) with my K3S. Getting excellent sound from both systems. > Nearly a century ago, Bell Labs learned through a lot of research that > all it takes for communications is smooth (flat) response between > about 500 Hz and 3 kHz, and the telephone system was designed around > that bandwidth. As a former Bell head (BTL in Denver) working on PBX systems in the 1970s I was exposed to the training for many telephone products. The plain old telephone service, POTS, was designed for a 3000 Hz bandwidth (300-3300). In the 1960s while earning my EE degree I worked in the broadcast business. Our main studio to transmitter link was an equalized line, but the backup circuit was a POTS line. Fortunately we didn't need to press it into service often, but on those occasions it sure sounded crappy by comparison to the usual AM 6 kHz or so eq'd circuit. And much more so when we added an FM station to the mix. 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH From Robin at rmoseley.co.uk Fri Sep 16 18:42:05 2016 From: Robin at rmoseley.co.uk (Robin Moseley) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:42:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks In-Reply-To: References: <104142257.4396452.1474049539527.ref@mail.yahoo.com><104142257.4396452.1474049539527@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <565F730D290D41B2A4523840165CCA6A@HPi72> RCA sockets are designed to grip the centre pin at 4mm inserion.. the standard pin length is 8.5mm From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Fri Sep 16 18:46:38 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:46:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Control Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Don. That fixed it. I remember the KIO2 manual (I think) saying to check that after making the Control Board mod, but the mod had been done 10 years ago (by you. hi), and I guess I decided to follow my nose down a wrong turn instead of asking for directions. This K2 is used mostly for digital modes and the other for CW only. I bought it on ebay about 10 years ago and it was such a mess I sent it to you to get it working and install all the mods. It's been a flawless performer since then. I sent your letter describing what you had to do to it to the ebay seller and he sent me a $100 check to compensate me! Thanks again. I'm relieved that it was something simple. Even more relieved to have unprecedented support such as yours. Eric KE6US On 9/16/2016 3:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Eric, Yes, you can swap the Control Boards between the 2 K2s for that test. Just don't get them mixed up and do not change any of the menu or calibration settings in the process. The EEPROM values are for the K2 that it was aligned with! It may be easier than that - Has this K2 lost its sidetone too? If so, that is the problem (unless your firmware is 2.04r). Go to the STL menu and tap DISPLAY until you hear sidetone - the sidetone source must be U8-4. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/16/2016 5:46 PM, Eric J wrote: K2 s/n 567 has gone deaf to I/O access. It's current for mods. Everything else in the radio seems to work fine. VFOs tune, all switch functions appear to work, Port is ON, etc. If I connect it to the EC2-mounted KPA100, operating the power output knob causes the Low/High Power LEDs to indicate properly. I'm guessing that just means the AUX Bus is working, but my problem is probably with RXD. The KIO2 is OK. I swapped it out with the one in my other K2 s/n 6911 and both work fine in that rig. Both K2's are connected to a PC via separate USB converter cables. The converters both work and the special USB-K2 cables work with either K2. They have been in almost daily use for several months, and worked fine. I put a scope on Pin 3 of the KIO2 connector and issued a Get command to read a VFO, then traced the resulting characters all the way to MCU pin 26. A Set command also could be traced from pin 26 back. Lots more characters were generated for Set than for Get, so that all looks OK. I'm stuck as I don't know anything at all about what's happening from the MCU, or how to test it, but it looks like it's getting what it needs from the PC. Is it the MCU (v. 2.04) itself that is at fault? I'm nervous about swapping the control board from s/n 6911 even though the older K2 board is current on mods. If it's safe to do, I'll try it. Any help appreciated. This is the first failure of either K2 so no complaints from me. Eric KE6US ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com . From djdaverichards at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 18:53:28 2016 From: djdaverichards at gmail.com (Dave Richards) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:53:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <1474055078813-7622551.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474055078813-7622551.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1936a4f1-b825-3171-176b-7e6cfd39e440@gmail.com> Perhaps it was a very early pre-production model, before they had finished miniaturizing it sufficiently :-) Dave AA7EE On 9/16/2016 12:44 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > In text for "A Radio by the Barbie" on page 20 of OCT QST the radio is listed > as a KX3, however radio in photo is definitely not a KX3. From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Sep 16 19:36:31 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: I rest my case. I think if you blindfold someone and tell them their listening to a K3(s) they'd come back with the same "it sounds like %$@!" answer even if it was another manu's rig they were listening to. It's a self sustaining urban legend now. On 9/16/2016 2:18 PM, Greg wrote: > When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 speaker to > go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 > sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to the > second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the FT1000D and > the K3, making equalizer adjustments to the K3 as I did so. Finally I felt > I had the K3 sounding like a FT-1000D. My friend came over and I made him > turn around so he could not see which radio he was listening to...At that > point when I switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell which > was which. Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make changes to > a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed... The beauty of > the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and adjusting the sound to > personal taste is only one feature! 73, Greg-N4CC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 19:37:26 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:37:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding K3 12v RCA rear socket - many thanks In-Reply-To: <565F730D290D41B2A4523840165CCA6A@HPi72> References: <104142257.4396452.1474049539527.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <104142257.4396452.1474049539527@mail.yahoo.com> <565F730D290D41B2A4523840165CCA6A@HPi72> Message-ID: On Friday, September 16, 2016, Robin Moseley wrote: > RCA sockets are designed to grip the centre pin at 4mm inserion.. the > standard pin length is 8.5mm Hmm. Then how do you account for http://www.farnell.com/cad/436556.pdf?_ga=1.267275786.520606856.1474066281 pin 10.1 mm beyond the shell. http://www.farnell.com/cad/2124889.pdf?_ga=1.29765179.520606856.1474066281 pin 9.6 mm beyond the shell http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/switchcraft-inc/3558-2/SC1136-ND/109664 pin 9.5 mm beyond the shell. http://www.farnell.com/cad/42767.pdf?_ga=1.258830222.520606856.1474066281 pin 7.0 mm beyond the shell http://www.farnell.com/cad/302013.pdf?_ga=1.90728094.520606856.1474066281 pin 7.5 mm beyond the shell. http://www.keyelco.com/product-pdf.cfm?p=3113 pin 6.3 mm beyond the shell. Standards? What standards? I quit having trouble when I started making my own cords with the 10 mm pins. I use the kind with a wrap around solder connection to the shield inside the cover. I also use teflon jacketed shielded coax of one size or another. Very permanent. Very shielded. Never melts when soldering. Bad cords and connectors are responsible for so much trouble.... 73, Guy K2AV From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Sep 16 19:50:11 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:50:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1807d07e-4271-38d9-2235-5ed75d05261f@nycap.rr.com> * *Menu settings used at W2BLC for armchair copy on 160/75/40 meters:* * The following are the settings I am using on 40, 75, 160 for armchair copy (meaning very reduced hiss and no ANF warbling). My RX audio goes through amplified Behringer studio speakers with bass/treble adjustments. The speaker adjustments: bass at 3 o'clock and the treble at 11 o'clock K3 settings (Config Menu): AGC DLY - NORM AGC HLD - 0 AGC PLS - NORM AGC SLP - 4 to 6 (low setting reduces artifacts from the Automatic Notch Filter) AGC THR - 12 AGC F - 120 AGC S - 20 Shift - 1.25 Width - 2.7 RF Gain - 90 (sometimes less) ATT - ON RX EQ 1 -2 2 0 3 +9 4 +12 5 +11 6 +14 7 +7 8 -16 Be sure to read the "Noisy K3" section on http://www.w3fpr.com/ - excellent information! The disclaimer: Your mileage for the above settings may vary - depending upon speaker selection, personal preferences, and your hearing acuity. Note: I made all of my settings by hand, using the K3 menus. I did NOT use K3 EZ as that program will sometimes upset the AGC settings. Bill W2BLC ** From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Sep 16 19:55:11 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <84215c63-a750-f020-fed5-7892135b17f1@comcast.net> References: <145791F3B2DB46A28785D4418570BA78@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> <5ac330ff-6260-4d97-6656-39f4eb297148@audiosystemsgroup.com> <84215c63-a750-f020-fed5-7892135b17f1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5d63bd93-ad26-cd08-0a1c-b9565de4af81@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,9/16/2016 3:37 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote: > AM 6 kHz or so eq'd circuit. In the OLD days when AM was still the "big dog" and FM was a license to lose money, the station I worked for had a telephone link to the transmitter equalized to 10 kHz. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Sep 16 20:04:35 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <1807d07e-4271-38d9-2235-5ed75d05261f@nycap.rr.com> References: <1807d07e-4271-38d9-2235-5ed75d05261f@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, One thing we learned many years ago in pro audio is that in general, it's a bad idea to use "boost" EQ, especially to boost a lot of bands, and to boost them a lot. The reason is "headroom" -- when you're boosting a lot, you're more likely to hit digital clip on audio peaks. I suggest that you subtract 10 dB from each band. The only band where you'll change the shape of the curve is the top one. And if you're doing the cut in that band to minimize noise internal to the K3, simply increase the RF gain a bit (or turn off the ATTEN and reduce the RF gain). 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,9/16/2016 4:50 PM, Bill wrote: > * > > *Menu settings used at W2BLC for armchair copy on 160/75/40 meters:* > > * > > The following are the settings I am using on 40, 75, 160 for armchair > copy (meaning very reduced hiss and no ANF warbling). My RX audio goes > through amplified Behringer studio speakers with bass/treble adjustments. > > The speaker adjustments: bass at 3 o'clock and the treble at 11 o'clock > > K3 settings (Config Menu): > AGC DLY - NORM > AGC HLD - 0 > AGC PLS - NORM > AGC SLP - 4 to 6 (low setting reduces artifacts from the Automatic > Notch Filter) > AGC THR - 12 > AGC F - 120 > AGC S - 20 > Shift - 1.25 > Width - 2.7 > RF Gain - 90 (sometimes less) > ATT - ON > RX EQ 1 -2 > 2 0 > 3 +9 > 4 +12 > 5 +11 > 6 +14 > 7 +7 > 8 -16 From lists at subich.com Fri Sep 16 20:17:31 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: EQ settings here: SSB: -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, -6 CW: -16, -3, 0, 0, 0, -6, -10, -12 SSB setting are designed to roll off low frequency QRM, provide some "presence" in the 1200-2800 Hz range essential for intelligibility and roll off high frequency hiss, noise and QRM. Those who like "full range" audio (ESSB QRM generators) will be appalled at the low frequency cut but it makes a big improvement in intelligibility in most conditions. Audio at 100 Hz and below is absolutely not needed for communication. CW Settings are designed to roll off outside my CW listening range. My "pitch" is 460 Hz so I keep 200 - 800 Hz flat and cut above/below a 600-700 Hz passband. If one is using a higher "pitch" it would be worthwhile changing the 1600 Hz band from -6 to 0. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/16/2016 5:14 PM, Rich wrote: > Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? > > Rich > > K3RWN > > > On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: >> When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 >> speaker to >> go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 >> sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to >> the >> second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the >> FT1000D and >> the K3, making equalizer adjustments to the K3 as I did so. Finally I >> felt >> I had the K3 sounding like a FT-1000D. My friend came over and I made >> him >> turn around so he could not see which radio he was listening to...At that >> point when I switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell >> which >> was which. Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make >> changes to >> a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed... The >> beauty of >> the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and adjusting the >> sound to >> personal taste is only one feature! 73, Greg-N4CC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rwnewbould at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 20:27:38 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 00:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> Joe and all, Isn't this where the rubber hits the road?? That is while your EQ settings are OK....? It does not address the audio spectrum generated by the speaker.? Consider a baritone against a soprano on the same settings.? I think we need to hear from Jim on how they adjust the mixer settings for each person, news or music.... Thanks.? Mel, K6KBE From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality EQ settings here: SSB: -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3,? +5,? -6 CW:? -16,? -3,? 0, 0, 0, -6, -10, -12 SSB setting are designed to roll off low frequency QRM, provide some "presence" in the 1200-2800 Hz range essential for intelligibility and roll off high frequency hiss, noise and QRM. Those who like "full range" audio (ESSB QRM generators) will be appalled at the low frequency cut but it makes a big improvement in intelligibility in most conditions.? Audio at 100 Hz and below is absolutely not needed for communication. CW Settings are designed to roll off outside my CW listening range.? My "pitch" is 460 Hz so I keep 200 - 800 Hz flat and cut above/below a 600-700 Hz passband.? If one is using a higher "pitch" it would be worthwhile changing the 1600 Hz band from -6 to 0. 73, ? ? ... Joe, W4TV On 9/16/2016 5:14 PM, Rich wrote: > Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? > > Rich > > K3RWN > > > On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: >> When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 >> speaker to >> go with it.? A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 >> sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to >> the >> second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the >> FT1000D and >> the K3, making equalizer adjustments to the K3 as I did so.? Finally I >> felt >> I had the K3 sounding like a FT-1000D.? My friend came over and I made >> him >> turn around so he could not see which radio he was listening to...At that >> point when I switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell >> which >> was which.? Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make >> changes to >> a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed...? The >> beauty of >> the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and adjusting the >> sound to >> personal taste is only one feature!? 73, Greg-N4CC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rwnewbould at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From jereed at ameritech.net Fri Sep 16 20:43:50 2016 From: jereed at ameritech.net (Joe Reed) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:43:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <1936a4f1-b825-3171-176b-7e6cfd39e440@gmail.com> References: <1474055078813-7622551.post@n2.nabble.com> <1936a4f1-b825-3171-176b-7e6cfd39e440@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05FF31BA-B6A1-4D3E-8722-DDB45389CEAB@ameritech.net> That was mighty lame. From the photo it looks like an ancient Yaesu. Hence the need for the Honda generator. But hey, he got his 15 minutes of fame, along with unending mockery. Perhaps a bit of grog with his "sustenance"? What I find more annoying is the ARRL didn't vet the photo first before publishing. I thought hams used to work there. Oh well perhaps this is the new paradigm for ham radio journalism. Joe N9JR Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Dave Richards wrote: > > Perhaps it was a very early pre-production model, before they had finished miniaturizing it sufficiently :-) > > Dave > AA7EE > >> On 9/16/2016 12:44 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: >> In text for "A Radio by the Barbie" on page 20 of OCT QST the radio is listed >> as a KX3, however radio in photo is definitely not a KX3. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jereed at ameritech.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 16 20:58:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:58:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> <1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has been thoroughly beat to death in the past. Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going to produce astounding bass and since it faces upwards away from your ears, the high frequency sounds are going to get lost. I believe it does exceptionally well for its size and quality. If you want good quality speaker audio from your K3/K3S, you are going to have to use external speakers - pick your quality there too. I use a pair of old Radio Shack Optimus speakers that I picked up for cheap at a 2nd hand store. The 4 inch drivers sound great with my K3, but being 4 inch drivers they are not expected to produce 'resounding bass', but that is not required for communications. The internal speaker sounds worse by comparison, but is usable if the external speakers are not available. So, if you are comparing the audio between two radios, don't rely on the internal speakers. Connect each one to good quality speakers - that way you are comparing the radio's audio, and not the quality of the internal speakers. Some radios produce better quality audio from their internal speakers than others - for instance the KX3 internal speaker is far inferior to the internal speaker used in the KX2. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/16/2016 8:27 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Joe and all, > Isn't this where the rubber hits the road? That is while your EQ settings are OK.... It does not address the audio spectrum generated by the speaker. > > Consider a baritone against a soprano on the same settings. I think we need to hear from Jim on how they adjust the mixer settings for each person, news or music.... > Thanks. > > From lists at subich.com Fri Sep 16 21:01:14 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:01:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> <1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <217523e1-e080-90c5-e839-fbcef2bef8c4@subich.com> > Consider a baritone against a soprano on the same settings. I think > we need to hear from Jim on how they adjust the mixer settings for > each person, news or music.... The way EQ settings are adjusted in a recording studio or FM broadcast (where one is concerned with 20 Hz to 15 or 20 KHz) has *no bearing* in *communications* service. As Jim and others have already pointed out, Ma Bell learned nearly 90 years ago that 300 Hz to 2700 Hz works just as well for the baritone (or basso profundo) as the soprano (or even coloratura). Even news/talk does minimal vocal equalization leaving that to the preemphasis/deemphasis built into the transmission system. When it comes to communications, the fundamental tone of the voice is not [so] important ... what is important is overtone structure and that is transmitted better in the 300 - 2700 Hz range than a 100 (or 50) Hz to 2200 Hz range for a baritone/basso profundo as the power is concentrated in the frequency range critical for intelligibility. With either the baritone or soprano, the speaking voice has very little useful *power* above 3 KHz. In RF systems (and old unequalized phone circuits), there is more broadband noise than actual voice energy above 3 KHz so a 3 KHz roll-off improves intelligibility and reduces "listing fatigue". 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/16/2016 8:27 PM, Mel Farrer wrote: > Joe and all, > Isn't this where the rubber hits the road? That is while your EQ settings are OK.... It does not address the audio spectrum generated by the speaker. > > Consider a baritone against a soprano on the same settings. I think we need to hear from Jim on how they adjust the mixer settings for each person, news or music.... > Thanks. > > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality > > > EQ settings here: > > SSB: -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, -6 > > CW: -16, -3, 0, 0, 0, -6, -10, -12 > > SSB setting are designed to roll off low frequency QRM, > provide some "presence" in the 1200-2800 Hz range essential > for intelligibility and roll off high frequency hiss, noise > and QRM. > > Those who like "full range" audio (ESSB QRM generators) will > be appalled at the low frequency cut but it makes a big > improvement in intelligibility in most conditions. Audio at > 100 Hz and below is absolutely not needed for communication. > > CW Settings are designed to roll off outside my CW listening > range. My "pitch" is 460 Hz so I keep 200 - 800 Hz flat and > cut above/below a 600-700 Hz passband. If one is using a > higher "pitch" it would be worthwhile changing the 1600 Hz > band from -6 to 0. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 9/16/2016 5:14 PM, Rich wrote: >> Would you be kind enough to post your EQ values? >> >> Rich >> >> K3RWN >> >> >> On 9/16/2016 15:18 PM, Greg wrote: >>> When I first got my K3, I was used to a FT1000D and had the SP5 >>> speaker to >>> go with it. A friend who also has a FT1000D told me he thought the K3 >>> sounded like "$#@%" compared to the FT1000D...so I hooked the K3 up to >>> the >>> second input on the SP5 and switched back and forth between the >>> FT1000D and >>> the K3, making equalizer adjustments to the K3 as I did so. Finally I >>> felt >>> I had the K3 sounding like a FT-1000D. My friend came over and I made >>> him >>> turn around so he could not see which radio he was listening to...At that >>> point when I switched from one radio to the other, he could not tell >>> which >>> was which. Of course he grumbled that you shouldn't have to make >>> changes to >>> a new radio to get it to sound good...but I just laughed... The >>> beauty of >>> the K3 is having the ability to do what you want, and adjusting the >>> sound to >>> personal taste is only one feature! 73, Greg-N4CC >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rwnewbould at comcast.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > From kk5f at earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 21:46:31 2016 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:46:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST Message-ID: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980. To this day it's one of the best hybrid-design ham transceivers ever made. It has two S2001A (equivalent to 6146B) tubes in the PA for 220 W PEP SSB, 180 W CW. Ham bands (including WARC) only. Gotta love a rig with PA PLATE and LOAD controls. Still...what QST editor confused the TS-830S with a KX3, or any other all-solid state rig made since 1983? My guess is some youngster who doesn't know that rigs like this with vacuum tubes ever existed. :-) Mike / KK5F > ...From the photo it looks like an ancient Yaesu. > ... > Joe N9JR >> Perhaps it was a very early pre-production model, before they had finished miniaturizing it sufficiently :-) >> >> Dave >> AA7EE From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Sep 16 22:06:42 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45167d1f-19f7-4064-cca2-6eb15dffc7fa@socal.rr.com> Good rig ID, Mike. Yes the TS-830S was a fine rig. And it looks like his mic is the MC-60A. You have to wonder about the wisdom of running even 100 Watts into the MFJ loop while sitting that close to it. 73, Phil W7OX On 9/16/16 6:46 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: > It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980. To this day it's one of the best hybrid-design ham transceivers ever made. It has two S2001A (equivalent to 6146B) tubes in the PA for 220 W PEP SSB, 180 W CW. Ham bands (including WARC) only. Gotta love a rig with PA PLATE and LOAD controls. > > Still...what QST editor confused the TS-830S with a KX3, or any other all-solid state rig made since 1983? My guess is some youngster who doesn't know that rigs like this with vacuum tubes ever existed. :-) > > Mike / KK5F > >> ...From the photo it looks like an ancient Yaesu. >> ... >> Joe N9JR >>> Perhaps it was a very early pre-production model, before they had finished miniaturizing it sufficiently :-) >>> >>> Dave >>> AA7EE From n6cl at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 16 22:11:36 2016 From: n6cl at sbcglobal.net (Joe Lynch) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 02:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1010243609.40101.1474078296539@mail.yahoo.com> The Honda generator provides the electromagnetic energy?to energize?the MFJ-1788. On Friday, September 16, 2016 9:48 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980.? To this day it's one of the best hybrid-design ham transceivers ever made.? It has two S2001A (equivalent to 6146B) tubes in the PA for 220 W PEP SSB, 180 W CW.? Ham bands (including WARC) only.? Gotta love a rig with PA PLATE and LOAD controls. Still...what QST editor confused the TS-830S with a KX3, or any other all-solid state rig made since 1983?? My guess is some youngster who doesn't know that rigs like this with vacuum tubes ever existed. :-) Mike / KK5F > ...From the photo it looks like an ancient Yaesu. > ... > Joe N9JR >> Perhaps it was a very early pre-production model, before they had finished miniaturizing it sufficiently :-) >> >> Dave >> AA7EE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n6cl at sbcglobal.net From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Sep 16 22:17:41 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:17:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5027ffa0-3d61-8531-fcf6-006b37e0afb2@ac0h.net> Ditto. On 9/16/2016 8:46 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: > It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980. To this day it's one of the best hybrid-design ham transceivers ever made. It has two S2001A (equivalent to 6146B) tubes in the PA for 220 W PEP SSB, 180 W CW. Ham bands (including WARC) only. Gotta love a rig with PA PLATE and LOAD controls. > > Still...what QST editor confused the TS-830S with a KX3, or any other all-solid state rig made since 1983? My guess is some youngster who doesn't know that rigs like this with vacuum tubes ever existed. :-) > > Mike / KK5F > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Sep 16 22:21:55 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:21:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <1010243609.40101.1474078296539@mail.yahoo.com> References: <29539970.1474076791753.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1010243609.40101.1474078296539@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And you have to wonder how much noise that generator produces when receiving. Phil W7OX On 9/16/16 7:11 PM, Joe Lynch wrote: > The Honda generator provides the electromagnetic energy to energize the MFJ-1788. > > On Friday, September 16, 2016 9:48 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: > > > It looks nothing like an "ancient Yaesu"...because is a Kenwood TS-830S, introduced in 1980. To this day it's one of the best hybrid-design ham transceivers ever made. It has two S2001A (equivalent to 6146B) tubes in the PA for 220 W PEP SSB, 180 W CW. Ham bands (including WARC) only. Gotta love a rig with PA PLATE and LOAD controls. > > Still...what QST editor confused the TS-830S with a KX3, or any other all-solid state rig made since 1983? My guess is some youngster who doesn't know that rigs like this with vacuum tubes ever existed. :-) > > Mike / KK5F From john at kn5l.net Sat Sep 17 08:22:43 2016 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:22:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXIO2 Time Hack Message-ID: <807d88b8-937a-7049-fa84-0d2600745540@kn5l.net> Hi Wayne, Sure would be nice if while in TIME MENU, pushing "3" would set seconds to zero. This would make it much easier to hack to WWV. Or to maintain backwards compatibility, program "4" as a seconds hack button. John KN5L KX2 #80 From w1tef at swsports.org Sat Sep 17 08:56:10 2016 From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:56:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <05FF31BA-B6A1-4D3E-8722-DDB45389CEAB@ameritech.net> References: <1474055078813-7622551.post@n2.nabble.com> <1936a4f1-b825-3171-176b-7e6cfd39e440@gmail.com> <05FF31BA-B6A1-4D3E-8722-DDB45389CEAB@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <3570b27f-9424-b6e5-bfb6-4642180b5e7c@swsports.org> Post production screwups happen all the time. I had it happen to me when I was a Tech Editor at QST in the mid-80's. Stuff happens. However, in this case, it might not have been, but always benefit of the doubt. Tom,, W1TEF On 9/16/2016 8:43 PM, Joe Reed wrote: > That was mighty lame. From the photo it looks like an ancient Yaesu. Hence the need for the Honda generator. > > But hey, he got his 15 minutes of fame, along with unending mockery. Perhaps a bit of grog with his "sustenance"? > > What I find more annoying is the ARRL didn't vet the photo first before publishing. I thought hams used to work there. Oh well perhaps this is the new paradigm for ham radio journalism. > > Joe N9JR > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Dave Richards wrote: >> >> Perhaps it was a very early pre-production model, before they had finished miniaturizing it sufficiently :-) >> >> Dave >> AA7EE >> >>> On 9/16/2016 12:44 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: >>> In text for "A Radio by the Barbie" on page 20 of OCT QST the radio is listed >>> as a KX3, however radio in photo is definitely not a KX3. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jereed at ameritech.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Sep 17 09:09:30 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:09:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <3570b27f-9424-b6e5-bfb6-4642180b5e7c@swsports.org> References: <3570b27f-9424-b6e5-bfb6-4642180b5e7c@swsports.org> Message-ID: <27a4800e-33bc-9bbf-c340-1e9589ecdc72@nycap.rr.com> Sure - mistakes happen. That is why you have proof readers - or, in this case, should have proof readers. Bill W2BLC K-Line From ae5x at juno.com Sat Sep 17 09:23:40 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:23:40 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST Message-ID: <20160917.082340.15471.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Threads like this are a better indication of poor band conditions than the solar indices. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ >That was mighty lame. ____________________________________________________________ How To Remove Lip Lines & Aging Eye Bags In Under 3 Minutes Beauty Informer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57dd441c11f9e441b2295st04vuc From pincon at erols.com Sat Sep 17 09:43:52 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:43:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <27a4800e-33bc-9bbf-c340-1e9589ecdc72@nycap.rr.com> References: <3570b27f-9424-b6e5-bfb6-4642180b5e7c@swsports.org> <27a4800e-33bc-9bbf-c340-1e9589ecdc72@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <003c01d210e9$8a6a6aa0$9f3f3fe0$@erols.com> Maybe they should have saved the pic for the April issue.... Chas -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:10 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST Sure - mistakes happen. That is why you have proof readers - or, in this case, should have proof readers. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk Sat Sep 17 10:01:23 2016 From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:01:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net><1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9AEA044F31574F4986D2ED353935B1CB@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Well guys (and gals) so far there have been 34 replies on this thread and I'm grateful for every one of them. I guess we need to try out forming some kind of hood to see if that will work for the complainers and if that fails we may need to try an external speaker. We actually had one guy last week (who is the main complainer) who boldly stated that he was a hi-fi buff and I just groaned silently! I also agree with the appliance-operator syndrome, where "it's no good unless it's totally plug and play"! Several points come to mind: The comparison with the IC7300 seems to be a fair one to me, because that rig also has an upward facing internal speaker and we did disconnect the external speaker to check. To my ears (and several others) the IC7300 had far better "quality" audio, but that said it is probably not optimum for Amateur communications, which is what many don't seem to realise is what we are 'actually' trying to achieve. It may pay us to find time to experiment with the DSP settings with the complainers in the same room but unable to see the adjustments, to see if they can be appeased, but I have my doubts because I suspect that the prejudice is already well entrenched. I brought the IC7300 home and compared it with my IC7100 and it didn't show a great deal of difference, perhaps slightly better because the IC7300 is in a bigger enclosure. I haven't yet made a comparison with my own K3. One of the greatest problems with club owned equipment is the variation in members' preferences as well as poor test conditions. In a large room with many people, it's impossible to keep them all quiet and some folks seem to think it's OK to stand right next to the operator/s and discuss some other topic - LOUDLY. The only answer there seems to be headphones. The same goes for filed days/contests. Perhaps we should start to wind this thread up now before it outstays its welcome? :-) 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has been thoroughly beat to death in the past. Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going to produce astounding bass and since it faces upwards away from your ears, the high frequency sounds are going to get lost. I believe it does exceptionally well for its size and quality. If you want good quality speaker audio from your K3/K3S, you are going to have to use external speakers - pick your quality there too. I use a pair of old Radio Shack Optimus speakers that I picked up for cheap at a 2nd hand store. The 4 inch drivers sound great with my K3, but being 4 inch drivers they are not expected to produce 'resounding bass', but that is not required for communications. The internal speaker sounds worse by comparison, but is usable if the external speakers are not available. So, if you are comparing the audio between two radios, don't rely on the internal speakers. Connect each one to good quality speakers - that way you are comparing the radio's audio, and not the quality of the internal speakers. Some radios produce better quality audio from their internal speakers than others - for instance the KX3 internal speaker is far inferior to the internal speaker used in the KX2. 73, Don W3FPR From k5aj at gmx.com Sat Sep 17 11:33:25 2016 From: k5aj at gmx.com (k5aj at gmx.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 10:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KWM-2 or HF-50 to drive the KPA-500 Message-ID: <57DD6245.1050705@gmx.com> Hi, Although a Yaesu1200 will be the primary drive for KPA-500, I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has used a KWM-2 with the KPA-500, for CW and/or sideband. Ditto from anyone who has used a Q-Mac HF-50 to drive the KPA-500. Thanks very much, Jack From bob at hogbytes.com Sat Sep 17 13:29:15 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 10:29:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT KX3 wannabe in photo of Qct QST In-Reply-To: <003c01d210e9$8a6a6aa0$9f3f3fe0$@erols.com> References: <1474055078813-7622551.post@n2.nabble.com> <1936a4f1-b825-3171-176b-7e6cfd39e440@gmail.com> <05FF31BA-B6A1-4D3E-8722-DDB45389CEAB@ameritech.net> <3570b27f-9424-b6e5-bfb6-4642180b5e7c@swsports.org> <27a4800e-33bc-9bbf-c340-1e9589ecdc72@nycap.rr.com> <003c01d210e9$8a6a6aa0$9f3f3fe0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1474133355579-7622587.post@n2.nabble.com> What I found most ironic was the the facing page was a full page ad for the Elecraft KX2/3 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-KX3-wannabe-in-photo-of-Qct-QST-tp7622551p7622587.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nz8j at woh.rr.com Sat Sep 17 14:40:02 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:40:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 package sold Message-ID: <61A61163-3A7D-4771-8BDA-E24130F2425B@woh.rr.com> Thanks to all who responded. Tim NZ8J From jim at rhodesend.net Sat Sep 17 14:49:53 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:49:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: <9AEA044F31574F4986D2ED353935B1CB@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> <1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> <9AEA044F31574F4986D2ED353935B1CB@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: Nothing to add except that I have never owned tranceiver that did not sound better on headphones or an external speaker(s). On Sep 17, 2016 8:02 AM, "Alan. G4GNX" wrote: > Well guys (and gals) so far there have been 34 replies on this thread and > I'm grateful for every one of them. > > I guess we need to try out forming some kind of hood to see if that will > work for the complainers and if that fails we may need to try an external > speaker. > > We actually had one guy last week (who is the main complainer) who boldly > stated that he was a hi-fi buff and I just groaned silently! I also agree > with the appliance-operator syndrome, where "it's no good unless it's > totally plug and play"! > > Several points come to mind: > > The comparison with the IC7300 seems to be a fair one to me, because that > rig also has an upward facing internal speaker and we did disconnect the > external speaker to check. To my ears (and several others) the IC7300 had > far better "quality" audio, but that said it is probably not optimum for > Amateur communications, which is what many don't seem to realise is what we > are 'actually' trying to achieve. > > It may pay us to find time to experiment with the DSP settings with the > complainers in the same room but unable to see the adjustments, to see if > they can be appeased, but I have my doubts because I suspect that the > prejudice is already well entrenched. > > I brought the IC7300 home and compared it with my IC7100 and it didn't > show a great deal of difference, perhaps slightly better because the IC7300 > is in a bigger enclosure. I haven't yet made a comparison with my own K3. > > One of the greatest problems with club owned equipment is the variation in > members' preferences as well as poor test conditions. In a large room with > many people, it's impossible to keep them all quiet and some folks seem to > think it's OK to stand right next to the operator/s and discuss some other > topic - LOUDLY. The only answer there seems to be headphones. The same goes > for filed days/contests. > > Perhaps we should start to wind this thread up now before it outstays its > welcome? :-) > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:58 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality > > I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has > been thoroughly beat to death in the past. > > Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going > to produce astounding bass and since it faces upwards away from your > ears, the high frequency sounds are going to get lost. > I believe it does exceptionally well for its size and quality. > > If you want good quality speaker audio from your K3/K3S, you are going > to have to use external speakers - pick your quality there too. I use a > pair of old Radio Shack Optimus speakers that I picked up for cheap at a > 2nd hand store. The 4 inch drivers sound great with my K3, but being 4 > inch drivers they are not expected to produce 'resounding bass', but > that is not required for communications. The internal speaker sounds > worse by comparison, but is usable if the external speakers are not > available. > > So, if you are comparing the audio between two radios, don't rely on the > internal speakers. Connect each one to good quality speakers - that way > you are comparing the radio's audio, and not the quality of the internal > speakers. Some radios produce better quality audio from their internal > speakers than others - for instance the KX3 internal speaker is far > inferior to the internal speaker used in the KX2. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 14:51:54 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 04:51:54 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality In-Reply-To: References: <002e01d2104f$23884680$6a98d380$@windstream.net> <1619055732.22003.1474072058310@mail.yahoo.com> <9AEA044F31574F4986D2ED353935B1CB@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> Message-ID: <57dd90cc.4335620a.8008d.2752@mx.google.com> Ditto Jim -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Rhodes" Sent: ?18/?09/?2016 4:51 AM To: "Alan. G4GNX" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality Nothing to add except that I have never owned tranceiver that did not sound better on headphones or an external speaker(s). On Sep 17, 2016 8:02 AM, "Alan. G4GNX" wrote: > Well guys (and gals) so far there have been 34 replies on this thread and > I'm grateful for every one of them. > > I guess we need to try out forming some kind of hood to see if that will > work for the complainers and if that fails we may need to try an external > speaker. > > We actually had one guy last week (who is the main complainer) who boldly > stated that he was a hi-fi buff and I just groaned silently! I also agree > with the appliance-operator syndrome, where "it's no good unless it's > totally plug and play"! > > Several points come to mind: > > The comparison with the IC7300 seems to be a fair one to me, because that > rig also has an upward facing internal speaker and we did disconnect the > external speaker to check. To my ears (and several others) the IC7300 had > far better "quality" audio, but that said it is probably not optimum for > Amateur communications, which is what many don't seem to realise is what we > are 'actually' trying to achieve. > > It may pay us to find time to experiment with the DSP settings with the > complainers in the same room but unable to see the adjustments, to see if > they can be appeased, but I have my doubts because I suspect that the > prejudice is already well entrenched. > > I brought the IC7300 home and compared it with my IC7100 and it didn't > show a great deal of difference, perhaps slightly better because the IC7300 > is in a bigger enclosure. I haven't yet made a comparison with my own K3. > > One of the greatest problems with club owned equipment is the variation in > members' preferences as well as poor test conditions. In a large room with > many people, it's impossible to keep them all quiet and some folks seem to > think it's OK to stand right next to the operator/s and discuss some other > topic - LOUDLY. The only answer there seems to be headphones. The same goes > for filed days/contests. > > Perhaps we should start to wind this thread up now before it outstays its > welcome? :-) > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:58 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality > > I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has > been thoroughly beat to death in the past. > > Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going > to produce astounding bass and since it faces upwards away from your > ears, the high frequency sounds are going to get lost. > I believe it does exceptionally well for its size and quality. > > If you want good quality speaker audio from your K3/K3S, you are going > to have to use external speakers - pick your quality there too. I use a > pair of old Radio Shack Optimus speakers that I picked up for cheap at a > 2nd hand store. The 4 inch drivers sound great with my K3, but being 4 > inch drivers they are not expected to produce 'resounding bass', but > that is not required for communications. The internal speaker sounds > worse by comparison, but is usable if the external speakers are not > available. > > So, if you are comparing the audio between two radios, don't rely on the > internal speakers. Connect each one to good quality speakers - that way > you are comparing the radio's audio, and not the quality of the internal > speakers. Some radios produce better quality audio from their internal > speakers than others - for instance the KX3 internal speaker is far > inferior to the internal speaker used in the KX2. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From r.tristani at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 14:53:03 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:53:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Power Poles In-Reply-To: <06b332a7-cd8a-950f-7489-091e0577a969@embarqmail.com> References: <031901d20e2b$f0e5f2b0$d2b1d810$@socal.rr.com> <06b332a7-cd8a-950f-7489-091e0577a969@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4BBA8AA3-3574-4473-A441-AA79F39CA40D@gmail.com> Just for info to all. I ordered the retention clip from Powerwerx and it fits very well. The connection to my K3 is now secure. Ramon Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > I need to point out that those retention clips will work fine when you are connecting two APP in-line connectors together, however, they cannot be fitted to the K3/K3S APP connector because the "retainer pin" hole is not accessible at the K3/K3S end. They are fine for connecting one APP cable to another, but in practice, I have not found them necessary. > Properly assembled APP connectors will have a significant pullout force requirement. Pay attention to those who state they can move the K3 by pulling on the cable - those folks have properly assembled APP connectors. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > If yours cannot do that, investigate the construction of your APP connectors. > >> On 9/13/2016 10:01 PM, Dan Violette wrote: >> And there are retention clips. I have a couple black ones that came with >> some order at one time (RigRunner I think). >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Sep 17 16:19:41 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:19:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Classen In-Reply-To: <807d88b8-937a-7049-fa84-0d2600745540@kn5l.net> References: <807d88b8-937a-7049-fa84-0d2600745540@kn5l.net> Message-ID: <432a1af1-45e5-f8fe-54d8-bf9c29cce2d5@foothill.net> While building an irrigation controller for our 32 valves, I discovered it's a bit more complex than that. Taking a clue from my analog-digital watch: If clock is 1-29 sec ahead of WWV, pushing the button should set the seconds to zero. If clock is 1-30 sec behind WWV, pushing the button should set the seconds to zero and advance the min by 1. It gets more complicated if your clock is more than 29 sec ahead or more than 30 sec behind WWV. The easy solution is ... don't ever let that happen. :-)) 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn "Usefulness=log(technology)" On 9/17/2016 5:22 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > Hi Wayne, > > Sure would be nice if while in TIME MENU, pushing "3" would set seconds > to zero. This would make it much easier to hack to WWV. Or to maintain > backwards compatibility, program "4" as a seconds hack button. > > John KN5L > KX2 #80 From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Sep 17 16:37:06 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:37:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for the replies all. Just back from travel - sorry for the silence. OK - on DATA A now and getting Rx on the waterfall. So Rx but no Tx. Nothing plugged to rear LINE IN jack, and MIC SEL to LInE In. The MIC level was indeed low, and bumping it to level 6 yields an ALC meter raeding of 7 bars when in select TUNE from WSJT-X app. I hear the tone through my headphones, which might not be right - or is that just monitor? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622593.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kstover at ac0h.net Sat Sep 17 17:26:09 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:26:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sounds to me llike you have the wrong sound card line out setup. When you plug the USB cable in the computer there should be three entries in device manager in control panel once the drivers are loaded. One under the "ports" heading which should say "USB serial port" write down the Com port number you're going to need it. The other two will be under the sound heading in device manager. One Microphone labeled USB Audio Codec, the other a Speaker with the same label. Make sure the Speaker with the USB Audio Codec label is set active instead of the onboard sound card of the computer. That speaker setting is your line out level from the computer to the K3s. The microphone USB Codec is the line in level for the K3s to the computer. Both need to be enabled on the PC and levels set properly. If you have two USB sound cards you need to figure out which one is the K3 and which is the computer. This applies to a Windows 7 and up computer. On 9/17/2016 3:37 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Thanks for the replies all. Just back from travel - sorry for the silence. > > OK - on DATA A now and getting Rx on the waterfall. So Rx but no Tx. > > Nothing plugged to rear LINE IN jack, and MIC SEL to LInE In. The MIC level > was indeed low, and bumping it to level 6 yields an ALC meter raeding of 7 > bars when in select TUNE from WSJT-X app. I hear the tone through my > headphones, which might not be right - or is that just monitor? > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622593.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n3ikq at yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 18:02:51 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Quick question about portable vertical antenna References: <2014995419.246685.1474149771059.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2014995419.246685.1474149771059@mail.yahoo.com> I have one of those MFJ telescoping whips that extends to 1/4 wave on 20 meters (40 with a coil). Instead of cutting a bunch of quarter wave radials for each band I'm going to press into service an SGC290 at the feedpoint and use 16, 30 foot radials instead. When using the tuner should I still "tune" the whip to my operating band or just leave it fully extended? In other words is a resonant vertical more efficient then a non resonant vertical with the same SGC and radials in place? Thanks!? From jim at rhodesend.net Sat Sep 17 18:09:48 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:09:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Quick question about portable vertical antenna In-Reply-To: <2014995419.246685.1474149771059@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2014995419.246685.1474149771059.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2014995419.246685.1474149771059@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are you going to use them as raised radials or just lay them on the ground? If you are using them as ground radials, just lay 4-6 25FT (or there abouts) radials on the ground. Ground radials just are not resonant. Or should I say that their apparent resonance changes with what they are laying on. On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 4:02 PM, rick jones via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I have one of those MFJ telescoping whips that extends to 1/4 wave on 20 > meters (40 with a coil). Instead of cutting a bunch of quarter wave radials > for each band I'm going to press into service an SGC290 at the feedpoint > and use 16, 30 foot radials instead. When using the tuner should I still > "tune" the whip to my operating band or just leave it fully extended? In > other words is a resonant vertical more efficient then a non resonant > vertical with the same SGC and radials in place? Thanks! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From kw9e at wi.rr.com Sat Sep 17 18:16:23 2016 From: kw9e at wi.rr.com (Peter LaBissoniere) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:16:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem In-Reply-To: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFECA7B3@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> References: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFECA7B3@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> Message-ID: <134B3F8C-60E7-40B9-B36C-179C99B61E30@wi.rr.com> I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to handle the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the posts. I'm afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and won't help for long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the top? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert wrote: > > A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming loose on the KXPD2 paddles. I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO. > > I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if anyone has a fix for this problem. I would prefer to avoid loss of use of the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to Maryland. > > Bob, WO3E > > > > This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kw9e at wi.rr.com From n3ikq at yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 18:32:11 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Quick question about portable vertical antenna References: <1675265536.251588.1474151531621.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1675265536.251588.1474151531621@mail.yahoo.com> Forgot to mention radials on the ground... From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Sep 17 18:49:18 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:49:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? Message-ID: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm not quite sure how to calibrate my XG3 against the 10MHz output of a GPSDO. Appreciate help on correct tab, button, etc, or XG3 Utility and how best to connect the GPSDO to XG3, or through my K3S which is connected to the GPSDO. Thanks, Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-Calibration-from-10MHz-Standard-tp7622599.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Dubinse at aol.com Sat Sep 17 19:07:35 2016 From: Dubinse at aol.com (Dubinse at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Questions about portable vertical and Super Antenna Message-ID: In some recent postings about Super Antenna and other portable verticals, issues were raised about a suitable counterpoise. Please excuse my callous and opportunistic plug for my (still in review but available) incursion into the question. It is posted at http://www.eham.net/articles/37408 (Space Blanket Revisited). It seems to load and work nicely with my KX1 and KX3 internal ATU's, VY 73 de W3UEC (Steve) From jdfreed at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 17 19:37:17 2016 From: jdfreed at bellsouth.net (John Freed) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:37:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: K3 audio quality Message-ID: I own a K3 ser#7028. I will try the settings listed for the EQ for SSB. I am also trying a mid-sized Bose amplified speaker (bought a refurbished one at the local Bose store). I am using it in the Aux function plugged into the K3 audio out (speaker). It does sound good. The reason I did this is I bought an Icom 7300 because of the SDR design and the monitor for audio and spectrum. The unadjusted audio, EQ, of the 7300 had a marked difference (sounded good) in comparison my K3. My K3 did not have any EQ adjustments so they were pretty much even in this sense. Oh, by the way, the K3 is still my main rig. (Love It). 73 John, KX6F From wlbaber at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 17 19:49:27 2016 From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] k2/k3 References: <1916488163.280059.1474156167981.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1916488163.280059.1474156167981@mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, I have been reading the mail of this reflector for some time, and thought I would join today and include my two cents; after all I own so2r K3/P3/K-Pod. However, I do enjoy other radios, mainly an IC 7600 which isn't a K-3 in handling strong signals but it does just fine here is rural Idaho, and the qsk is just as good. Shamelessly, I like the colorful screen. On K3 audio: After finishing the build on a K2/100 recently (a field model purchased in 1998 and never completed) I was surprised at the overall performance of K2 and decided that K3 can have too much gain. I now have no gain on each filter, and 2db on the 200 hz one. If K3 seems noisy then after adjusting agc and RX EQ (like most others I have the cw offset at 500hz), you may want to use 0 gain on the filters. Maybe this point about I-F gain has been covered but if so I don't recall reading about it. Moreover, I don't normally use a preamp 160m through 20m, except on beverages. K2 does not have objectionable phase noise as I read somewhere, that noise is the need to do the keying modification. K2 is a real sleeper of a radio, and it taught me something about K3. Of course you have to build it, but K2 is contest competent though with far fewer features than K3. BTW, I had no difficulty getting the parts to finish K2, including the keying modification, 18 years later. 73, Will, wj9b CWops #1085 CWA Advisor levels II and III http://cwops.org/ From steamerone at mac.com Sat Sep 17 20:24:02 2016 From: steamerone at mac.com (Robert Biamonte) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:24:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 Message-ID: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> Hello, Yesterday all was fine, and today the KPA500 will not transmit on 40m. All other bands show normal operation and output. It is connected to a K3. Any thoughts before I open the covers? 73, Rob W3OMW From k9ztv at socket.net Sat Sep 17 20:32:42 2016 From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:32:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem In-Reply-To: <134B3F8C-60E7-40B9-B36C-179C99B61E30@wi.rr.com> References: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFECA7B3@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> <134B3F8C-60E7-40B9-B36C-179C99B61E30@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <825A2538-5485-41E6-8E3B-230BC14EAB56@socket.net> Temporary emergency solution: eye-glass kit containing small Phillips screwdriver available at any convenience store, airport, hotel, notions counter, drug store, etc. Permanent but removable solution: screw-threads lightly coated with Loctite Blue (not Loctite Red). Kent K9ZTV > On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Peter LaBissoniere wrote: > > I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to handle the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the posts. I'm afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and won't help for long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the top? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert wrote: >> >> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming loose on the KXPD2 paddles. I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO. >> >> I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if anyone has a fix for this problem. I would prefer to avoid loss of use of the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to Maryland. >> >> Bob, WO3E >> >> >> >> This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kw9e at wi.rr.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ztv at socket.net > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 20:51:01 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:51:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 In-Reply-To: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> References: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> Message-ID: If you have the KAT3 in the K3, make sure you haven't accidentally changed the output to the SO239 which DOESN'T have the KPA500 attached. Changed by tapping the ANT button. That setting is remembered by band. So if you accidentally tap it, it's moved to the other SO239 on the back of K3, and stays that way. Check anything that is remembered by band, including power level settings. 73, Guy. On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Robert Biamonte wrote: > Hello, > Yesterday all was fine, and today the KPA500 will not transmit on 40m. > All other bands show normal operation and output. It is connected to a K3. > Any thoughts before I open the covers? > > 73, > Rob W3OMW > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From steamerone at mac.com Sat Sep 17 21:00:19 2016 From: steamerone at mac.com (Robert Biamonte) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:00:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 In-Reply-To: References: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks Gary! Ant 2 was selected for 40m. Ant 2 is my dummy load which I may have selected during the testing of the new Windom antenna. All is well with the ether now. *G* very 73 Rob W3OMW > On Sep 17, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > If you have the KAT3 in the K3, make sure you haven't accidentally changed the output to the SO239 which DOESN'T have the KPA500 attached. Changed by tapping the ANT button. That setting is remembered by band. So if you accidentally tap it, it's moved to the other SO239 on the back of K3, and stays that way. Check anything that is remembered by band, including power level settings. > > 73, Guy. > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Robert Biamonte > wrote: > Hello, > Yesterday all was fine, and today the KPA500 will not transmit on 40m. > All other bands show normal operation and output. It is connected to a K3. Any thoughts before I open the covers? > > 73, > Rob W3OMW > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Sep 17 21:02:02 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:02:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 In-Reply-To: References: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> Message-ID: <91CDCC35-96AE-42CD-AC2D-BCDF006F301A@me.com> Likewise make sure the K3 output power for 40 meters, for the KPA if you have the per-band power set, has not been somehow set to zero. - Jack, W6FB > On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > If you have the KAT3 in the K3, make sure you haven't accidentally changed > the output to the SO239 which DOESN'T have the KPA500 attached. Changed by > tapping the ANT button. That setting is remembered by band. So if you > accidentally tap it, it's moved to the other SO239 on the back of K3, and > stays that way. Check anything that is remembered by band, including power > level settings. > > 73, Guy. > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Robert Biamonte wrote: > >> Hello, >> Yesterday all was fine, and today the KPA500 will not transmit on 40m. >> All other bands show normal operation and output. It is connected to a K3. >> Any thoughts before I open the covers? >> >> 73, >> Rob W3OMW >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From steamerone at mac.com Sat Sep 17 21:03:31 2016 From: steamerone at mac.com (Robert Biamonte) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 In-Reply-To: References: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> Message-ID: <7DADCD75-8407-4817-A723-5FAD2C9C5E99@mac.com> Sorry , I meant to type Guy?. Thank you for the quick response > On Sep 17, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > If you have the KAT3 in the K3, make sure you haven't accidentally changed the output to the SO239 which DOESN'T have the KPA500 attached. Changed by tapping the ANT button. That setting is remembered by band. So if you accidentally tap it, it's moved to the other SO239 on the back of K3, and stays that way. Check anything that is remembered by band, including power level settings. > > 73, Guy. > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Robert Biamonte > wrote: > Hello, > Yesterday all was fine, and today the KPA500 will not transmit on 40m. > All other bands show normal operation and output. It is connected to a K3. Any thoughts before I open the covers? > > 73, > Rob W3OMW > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From steamerone at mac.com Sat Sep 17 21:04:44 2016 From: steamerone at mac.com (Robert Biamonte) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:04:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 In-Reply-To: <036301d21144$ddb76e00$99264a00$@gmail.com> References: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> <036301d21144$ddb76e00$99264a00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3DC9ED1F-BAD7-4083-A1DB-A9DC6EA9F9DF@mac.com> Thanks Mike for the quick response! Ant 2 was selected for 40m. Ant 2 is my dummy load which I may have selected during the testing of the new Windom antenna. All is well with the ether now. *G* very 73 Rob W3OMW > On Sep 17, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > One of my embarrassing errors is that the K3's ANT selection is by band - so > if you've inadvertently selected ANT2 for 40M, etc. no 40M RF may be getting > to the KPA500. > > Seems very odd that just 40M is not working. > > Just a thought. > > - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Robert >> Biamonte >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:24 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 >> >> Hello, >> Yesterday all was fine, and today the KPA500 will not transmit on 40m. >> All other bands show normal operation and output. It is connected to a K3. > Any >> thoughts before I open the covers? >> >> 73, >> Rob W3OMW >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> _ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message >> delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com > From steamerone at mac.com Sat Sep 17 21:06:23 2016 From: steamerone at mac.com (Robert Biamonte) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:06:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Stopped working on 40 In-Reply-To: <91CDCC35-96AE-42CD-AC2D-BCDF006F301A@me.com> References: <97BF37D3-21B7-41A9-A627-78222C30412D@mac.com> <91CDCC35-96AE-42CD-AC2D-BCDF006F301A@me.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone for the all the answers!! Everything is working again. vy 73 Rob W3OMW > On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > Likewise make sure the K3 output power for 40 meters, for the KPA if you have the per-band power set, has not been somehow set to zero. > > - Jack, W6FB > >> On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> >> If you have the KAT3 in the K3, make sure you haven't accidentally changed >> the output to the SO239 which DOESN'T have the KPA500 attached. Changed by >> tapping the ANT button. That setting is remembered by band. So if you >> accidentally tap it, it's moved to the other SO239 on the back of K3, and >> stays that way. Check anything that is remembered by band, including power >> level settings. >> >> 73, Guy. >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Robert Biamonte wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Yesterday all was fine, and today the KPA500 will not transmit on 40m. >>> All other bands show normal operation and output. It is connected to a K3. >>> Any thoughts before I open the covers? >>> >>> 73, >>> Rob W3OMW >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Sat Sep 17 21:07:35 2016 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft k-2 / 100 for sale Message-ID: <004001d21149$0a791d40$1f6b57c0$@ca> Selling my k2/100 in near mint condition. https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/elecraft-k2-100-w.538002/ Thanks es 73 de ve3vtg From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Sep 17 21:50:31 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:50:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474163431871-7622612.post@n2.nabble.com> Hey Kevin - sorry, edited my post to note I'm being heard while you were replying. Sorry about that - your comment were otherwise on the mark. One remaining niggle - the WSJT-X "Tune" option in Band Hopping doesn't seem to trigger my K3S ATU TUNE. Not sure why... Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622612.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Sep 17 21:53:33 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:53:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem In-Reply-To: <825A2538-5485-41E6-8E3B-230BC14EAB56@socket.net> References: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFECA7B3@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> <134B3F8C-60E7-40B9-B36C-179C99B61E30@wi.rr.com> <825A2538-5485-41E6-8E3B-230BC14EAB56@socket.net> Message-ID: <31902DDD-EB4B-4843-807C-13D863468F29@wunderwood.org> That awl on my Boy Scout knife? The end works pretty well as an emergency Phillips screwdriver. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:32 PM, K9ZTV wrote: > > Temporary emergency solution: eye-glass kit containing small Phillips screwdriver available at any convenience store, airport, hotel, notions counter, drug store, etc. > > Permanent but removable solution: screw-threads lightly coated with Loctite Blue (not Loctite Red). > > Kent K9ZTV > > > >> On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Peter LaBissoniere wrote: >> >> I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to handle the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the posts. I'm afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and won't help for long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the top? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert wrote: >>> >>> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming loose on the KXPD2 paddles. I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO. >>> >>> I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if anyone has a fix for this problem. I would prefer to avoid loss of use of the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to Maryland. >>> >>> Bob, WO3E >>> >>> >>> >>> This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kw9e at wi.rr.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9ztv at socket.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Sep 17 22:12:06 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7ca4b36a-57cb-c86c-7eb0-3e1388b99659@embarqmail.com> Bret, Reduce the soundcard level setting in your computer so you have a greater range of control with the MIC Gain setting. Adjust so you get 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. 7 bars is too much - you are driving into the ALC region. The No ALC point for the K3 and K3S is at the 5th bar. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/17/2016 4:37 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Thanks for the replies all. Just back from travel - sorry for the silence. > > OK - on DATA A now and getting Rx on the waterfall. So Rx but no Tx. > > Nothing plugged to rear LINE IN jack, and MIC SEL to LInE In. The MIC level > was indeed low, and bumping it to level 6 yields an ALC meter raeding of 7 > bars when in select TUNE from WSJT-X app. I hear the tone through my > headphones, which might not be right - or is that just monitor? > > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Sep 17 23:05:22 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <18a0547c-b7c9-f0ed-bb7d-6d6d5a0fbab3@coho.net> Good Evening, Propagation continues to be poor but the changing seasons bring more hours of darkness, maybe that will help. However, noise has been dropping too so it's easier to hear weaker stations. Things balance out. Autumn is here in the mountains. Those trees which can change color are doing so. The bird population is also changing as more species move lower. The pileated woodpeckers are still here causing quite a racket but there was a barred owl last night which was quite loud. It must have been right over the house. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Sep 17 23:21:21 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:21:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1474163431871-7622612.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474163431871-7622612.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: It isn't supposed activate the auto-tune. It provides a TX signal to allow you to adjust your ALC and maybe check SWR. If you want to use ATU, just tap Tune button on K3. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:50 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > > Hey Kevin - sorry, edited my post to note I'm being heard while you were > replying. Sorry about that - your comment were otherwise on the mark. > > One remaining niggle - the WSJT-X "Tune" option in Band Hopping doesn't seem > to trigger my K3S ATU TUNE. Not sure why... > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622612.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From gondard.christian at orange.fr Sun Sep 18 05:27:54 2016 From: gondard.christian at orange.fr (christian Gondard) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:27:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 no more output on 20m In-Reply-To: <004001d21149$0a791d40$1f6b57c0$@ca> References: <004001d21149$0a791d40$1f6b57c0$@ca> Message-ID: <57DE5E1A.7080505@orange.fr> Hello I have just discovered that I have a trouble with my KXPA100 on 20m, and only on this band. The set up is a KX3 connected to the KXPA100 using the internal ATU of the KXPA100 ; the fault occurs on the usual antenna (a 2x20 doublet + 450 ohms ladder line) or with a 50 ohms dummy load. The KXPA100 settings are : ANT1, Mode = Man My first investigations are : 1. I can get 10 watts or under by selecting the power from the KX3 (in this range the KXPA100 is by passed) 2. when I select the next power setting (11 watts), the output power goes to 0 on the KXPA100 ; on a separate RX (my old K2) I can hear a signal coming from the KX3, but weaker than when the kx3 is alone under 10 watts ; the drain current for the KXPA100 on 20m is roughly the same as for other bands : 7 amps for 30w, 11 amps for 60w, but no RF output on 20m 3. when I bypassed the KXPA100, I can get up to 15 watts from the KX3 alone, so the KX3 seems OK 4. when I try to use the KXPA100 above 10 watts, the green TX is ON as for other bands, and other LED are in same status as for other bands Using the KXPA100 utility, I can see that : 1. when I send an ATU TUNE, the KXPA100 ATU finds a 1.3 SWR on the KX3 panel and 1.1 on the KXPA100 utility (C= 0pf and 1480 nH) and the 25w LED lights as for other bands ; the kx3 power at this moment is 5w 2. when I try to TX, the kx3 sent power is coherent with the requested KXPA100 power (from 1 to 4 watts), but the SWR goes high (more 5 and fluctuating ) forward and reflected powers are 0, and dissipated power is high : 130 w !! Before calling the elecraft support , does somebody has a good idea ? Tnx in advance Chris / F6FTB --- L'absence de virus dans ce courrier ?lectronique a ?t? v?rifi?e par le logiciel antivirus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Sep 18 07:34:29 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 04:34:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474163431871-7622612.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474198469036-7622617.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bill - We might be talking two different things. WSPR & WSJT-X have an option under band hopping to send a 2-3 second tune signal before each RX so that an ATU can recall the tune parameters for that frequency from memory. That's not happening for me. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622617.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ae5x at juno.com Sun Sep 18 08:14:44 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:14:44 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Free ad for Elecraft! Message-ID: <20160918.071444.32702.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> N3JT was recently featured on a Wash DC TV station using a K3: http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2016/09/video.html "All publicity is good publicity" said someone. John AE5X ____________________________________________________________ The Shocking Hillary Video We???re Not Supposed To Show You Health Sciences Institute http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57de8560a406c5605bdbst02vuc From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Sep 18 09:40:10 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 06:40:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474206010220-7622619.post@n2.nabble.com> Kevin, I do find the Serial Port for the K3S as COM7, and also have a ASUS Xonar U7 external card on COM3, running through a LP-PAN2 I'm also working to configure. That's a somewhat separate topic. I have several sound cards, it seems. My Windows 10 PC Device Manager lists: High Definition Audio Device NVIDA High Definition Audio Device (from a G-Force audio/video card, 4 separate lines in Device Manager) NVIDA Virtual Audio Device (that NVIDA card again) USB Audio CODEC (likely the K3S) Xonar U7 (an external card) At present, my default devices are: Playback - Headphones Xonar U7 Recording - Line Xonar U7 I see the USB Audio CODEC as, not default, but "Ready" under: Playback - Speakers 3 - USB Audio CODEC Recording - Microphone 3 - USB Audio CODEC When WSJT-X/WSPR-2 Mode is TXing (both the full 2min WSPR-2 mode TX and the short 2-3sec tune-up TX tone), I see some bars turn green to the right of the Playback - Speakers 3 - USB Audio CODEC entry, suggesting the the K3S card is enabled, despite the Xonar U7 setting as default. As Don suggests, I went to the K3S Playback - Speakers 3 - USB Audio CODEC and saw the Level was 100%, so I cut that back to 20%, which gives ALC 4 bars with flickering 5 bars. Advanced Tab shows format to be 16 bit, 44100 Hz (CD Quality). Unlike the Xonar U7 card, there is no 192 KHz option. For the K3S Recording - Microphone 3 - USB Audio CODEC I have that set at 50%. That slider and the WSJT-X slider for digital gain are interactive. I can set the max on the PC and back it down on the app, or lower on the PC and bump it up on the app. Unlike when I was using a FT-897D, the short 2-3sec TUNE tone between band hops doesn't trigger the ATU when set to AUTO (I'm running 5.0W). Nor is the ATU triggered when in the 2min WSPR-2 mode TX cycle. With WSJT-X TX, the K3S red TX LED lighs, and now I see ALC bars, but no power indication as when pressing the K3S TUNE button. But I my WSPR-2 mode TX is being heard and logged in WSPRnet (N4SRN) so there is RF power out. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622619.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ve3iay at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 10:20:44 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:20:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx Message-ID: 1. The U7 is not on COM3. Sound cards do not use serial ports. Perhaps COM3 is a virtual COM port created by LP-Bridge, or perhaps COM3 is the K3S's USB serial port, and COM7 is a virtual port created by LP-Bridge that you connect other software to. You need to get this straight for other reasons, but it has nothing to do with the audio issues with WSJT-X 2. Your default sound devices should be set to the motherboard sound card. That is where Windows sounds are sent, YouTube audio and other media player stuff goes, etc., and you don't want any of that stuff going to the sound card(s) you use for radio, much less to the sound card you use with LP-PAN. 3. In WSJT-X, in the File > Settings menu under the Audio tab, set the Input and Output sound cards to the ones you are using for sound card modes - most likely the USB Audio CODEC in the K3S, unless you have chosen to bypass it and use an external sound card plugged into the Line In jack on the K3S, which disables the K3S's internal sound card. If you are using the U7 with LP-PAN for panadapter software, it is *not* the sound card you are using for sound card modes, and it should *not* be connected to the K3S's Line In jack - it should be connected directly to the LP-PAN. In that case, WSJT-X should be set to use the USB AUDIO CODEC and there should be nothing connected to the K3S's Line In jack. 4. The ATU on the K3S is not triggered by a transmitted signal, whether from WSJT-X or elsewhere. It is not auto-tune in that sense; it is auto-tuning based on frequency memories, which is what the KAT500 calls MAN mode. It will automatically switch to the last setting used on that band segment with that antenna output (ANT1 or ANT2). Once you have tuned the ATU once with your antenna for a particular frequency, that should be good enough from then on. If your antenna's SWR changes dramatically because of weather conditions, e.g. ice on the antenna, you tune the K3S's ATU using the ATU TUNE button on the K3S. Therefore an extra 2-second tune signal between band hops does not do anything useful, other than give you a 2-second advance notice of the SWR. 5. When the K3S's meter is in ALC mode, it does not show the transmitted power. You have to put it into PWR mode with the METER button. The TUNE button switches from ALC to PWR mode automatically, but transmitting normally does not do this. 73, Rich VE3KI From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 18 10:30:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:30:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1474206010220-7622619.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474206010220-7622619.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4bca0696-e3f8-8598-c9d9-5146647a9905@embarqmail.com> Bret, Do not set the K3S CODEC to be the default soundcard - the default soundcard will be the one that plays sounds from the OS (Windows Sounds), and those sounds should not be transmitted on the air. The "Recording" setting level is audio from the K3S to the computer (not K3S recording). Use that level as well as the K3S LINE OUT level to adjust the waterfall display brightness. Look at those soundcard settings (Input and Output) from the perspective of the computer and not the K3S. Even though the soundcard is in the K3S, it is still the "property" of the computer - the same as any other external soundcard. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/18/2016 9:40 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > I see the USB Audio CODEC as, not default, but "Ready" under: > Playback - Speakers 3 - USB Audio CODEC > Recording - Microphone 3 - USB Audio CODEC > > When WSJT-X/WSPR-2 Mode is TXing (both the full 2min WSPR-2 mode TX and the > short 2-3sec tune-up TX tone), I see some bars turn green to the right of > the Playback - Speakers 3 - USB Audio CODEC entry, suggesting the the K3S > card is enabled, despite the Xonar U7 setting as default. > > As Don suggests, I went to the K3S Playback - Speakers 3 - USB Audio CODEC > and saw the Level was 100%, so I cut that back to 20%, which gives ALC 4 > bars with flickering 5 bars. Advanced Tab shows format to be 16 bit, 44100 > Hz (CD Quality). Unlike the Xonar U7 card, there is no 192 KHz option. > > For the K3S Recording - Microphone 3 - USB Audio CODEC I have that set at > 50%. That slider and the WSJT-X slider for digital gain are interactive. I > can set the max on the PC and back it down on the app, or lower on the PC > and bump it up on the app. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 18 10:39:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:39:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1474206010220-7622619.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1473802956498-7622443.post@n2.nabble.com> <395F9ED1-AC24-4C82-8701-28277348DC13@widomaker.com> <1473858354368-7622460.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137699004.20711795.1473867308101.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <07f2ccff-009c-705b-205d-3debec707a04@embarqmail.com> <1474144626761-7622593.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474206010220-7622619.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8132cc6d-514b-b3a2-d8c4-7bdef20f0f3c@embarqmail.com> An additional "By The Way" comment - Windows normally sets the last installed soundcard as the default. Your U7 soundcard was likely set to be default when it was installed. You can set the default back to the internal soundcard (the NVIDIA) if you are trying to use the U7 with LP-Pan2. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/18/2016 9:40 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > Kevin, > > I do find the Serial Port for the K3S as COM7, and also have a ASUS Xonar U7 > external card on COM3, running through a LP-PAN2 I'm also working to > configure. That's a somewhat separate topic. > > I have several sound cards, it seems. My Windows 10 PC Device Manager lists: > High Definition Audio Device > NVIDA High Definition Audio Device (from a G-Force audio/video card, 4 > separate lines in Device Manager) > NVIDA Virtual Audio Device (that NVIDA card again) > USB Audio CODEC (likely the K3S) > Xonar U7 (an external card) > > At present, my default devices are: > Playback - Headphones Xonar U7 > Recording - Line Xonar U7 > > From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Sep 18 11:08:17 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:08:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e024afe-2773-ae74-5262-fdb450e11723@ac0h.net> Both Rich and Don have given good advice. Make sure the U7 or onboard NVIDIA sound device is set as default so you don't broadcast windows sounds. Make sure the USB Audio Codec Speaker and Mic are enabled but not set as default. In the WSJT software select the USB Audio Codec as the sound device for line in (Microphone) and line out (Speaker) respectively. Set mic gain levels on the K3s so you get four solid bars and an occasional flicker of the fifth on the ALC when transmitting. Set the K3s line in level to achieve a medium blue background on the waterfall. Use the K3s power control to adjust output power. I'm not quite sure what the tune function in the software is about. What does the K3s SWR meter say? Is the tune button in the software supposed to kick the K3s into transmit and not doing it? The tune button on the K3s only controls the internal tuner or the outboard KAT500 and neither will "tune" unless a certain SWR threshold is met. If you're transmitting signals and receiving them and neither is over driven quit messing with it. On 9/18/2016 9:20 AM, Richard Ferch wrote: > 1. The U7 is not on COM3. Sound cards do not use serial ports. Perhaps COM3 > is a virtual COM port created by LP-Bridge, or perhaps COM3 is the K3S's > USB serial port, and COM7 is a virtual port created by LP-Bridge that you > connect other software to. You need to get this straight for other reasons, > but it has nothing to do with the audio issues with WSJT-X > > 2. Your default sound devices should be set to the motherboard sound card. > That is where Windows sounds are sent, YouTube audio and other media player > stuff goes, etc., and you don't want any of that stuff going to the sound > card(s) you use for radio, much less to the sound card you use with LP-PAN. > > 3. In WSJT-X, in the File > Settings menu under the Audio tab, set the > Input and Output sound cards to the ones you are using for sound card modes > - most likely the USB Audio CODEC in the K3S, unless you have chosen to > bypass it and use an external sound card plugged into the Line In jack on > the K3S, which disables the K3S's internal sound card. If you are using the > U7 with LP-PAN for panadapter software, it is *not* the sound card you are > using for sound card modes, and it should *not* be connected to the K3S's > Line In jack - it should be connected directly to the LP-PAN. In that case, > WSJT-X should be set to use the USB AUDIO CODEC and there should be nothing > connected to the K3S's Line In jack. > > 4. The ATU on the K3S is not triggered by a transmitted signal, whether > from WSJT-X or elsewhere. It is not auto-tune in that sense; it is > auto-tuning based on frequency memories, which is what the KAT500 calls MAN > mode. It will automatically switch to the last setting used on that band > segment with that antenna output (ANT1 or ANT2). Once you have tuned the > ATU once with your antenna for a particular frequency, that should be good > enough from then on. If your antenna's SWR changes dramatically because of > weather conditions, e.g. ice on the antenna, you tune the K3S's ATU using > the ATU TUNE button on the K3S. Therefore an extra 2-second tune signal > between band hops does not do anything useful, other than give you a > 2-second advance notice of the SWR. > > 5. When the K3S's meter is in ALC mode, it does not show the transmitted > power. You have to put it into PWR mode with the METER button. The TUNE > button switches from ALC to PWR mode automatically, but transmitting > normally does not do this. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pete.sobye at icloud.com Sun Sep 18 12:04:54 2016 From: pete.sobye at icloud.com (G0PNM) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:04:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's Message-ID: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, New to the whole Elecraft scene. Just acquired my first K3 and its serial number is 07126. I have been experiencing some strange behavior while rotating the VFO whereby the radio would change bands unexpectedly. On occasions, the rig will jump to a supposed frequency well out of the range of the radio i.e. in the VHF bands! I managed to capture this behavior on my phone and have uploaded it to youtube. The link is here:- https://youtu.be/IILWIe7hPzg I have waited a long time to get hold of an Elecraft, being my dream radio but its quickly losing its sparkle and I am losing my hair!. ANY help would be much appreciated. I have only had it a week and I am also emailing the supplier here in the UK. Thanks Pete G0PNM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Erratic-VFO-behaviour-Switching-bands-and-freq-s-tp7622624.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hk3j.dx at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 12:38:05 2016 From: hk3j.dx at gmail.com (German Duran) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 11:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s transceiver blocked MCU LD Message-ID: Dear friends: My new Elecraft K3s is blocked. When I open the box, connect power supply, in the display appear HIGH SIG. It was not possible HIGH SIG dissapear, I tapped CONFIG, I looging for a solution and nothing. I want resetting the radio hold in shift knob while pressing power on switch unit and now the radio shows MCU LD, and is totally blocked. I didn?t save the original configuration from factory before to start configuratio. There is not possible communication between radio and computer. What can I do? German HK3J From dick at elecraft.com Sun Sep 18 12:43:31 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:43:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s transceiver blocked MCU LD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901d211cb$ca5e80f0$5f1b82d0$@elecraft.com> To restore the firmware, follow the procedure in K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Boot Loader. That should get past the MCU LD on the LCD screen. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of German Duran Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 09:38 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s transceiver blocked MCU LD Dear friends: My new Elecraft K3s is blocked. When I open the box, connect power supply, in the display appear HIGH SIG. It was not possible HIGH SIG dissapear, I tapped CONFIG, I looging for a solution and nothing. I want resetting the radio hold in shift knob while pressing power on switch unit and now the radio shows MCU LD, and is totally blocked. I didn?t save the original configuration from factory before to start configuratio. There is not possible communication between radio and computer. What can I do? German HK3J ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From jimfinan at att.net Sun Sep 18 12:57:19 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:57:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem In-Reply-To: <825A2538-5485-41E6-8E3B-230BC14EAB56@socket.net> References: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFECA7B3@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> <134B3F8C-60E7-40B9-B36C-179C99B61E30@wi.rr.com> <825A2538-5485-41E6-8E3B-230BC14EAB56@socket.net> Message-ID: <20160918165719.5869643.81714.48950@att.net> Re: Loctite: I'd suggest Loctite 'Purple' (222). Still accomplishes the task but much easier to adjust/disassemble later. Especially important with small fasteners and tools. If you're installing 6mm, 8mm bolts on your car, Blue is likely the best choice. 73, Jim Jim?Finan AB4AC ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: K9ZTV Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 8:33 PM To: Peter LaBissoniere Cc: Converse, Robert; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem Temporary emergency solution: eye-glass kit containing small Phillips screwdriver available at any convenience store, airport, hotel, notions counter, drug store, etc. Permanent but removable solution: screw-threads lightly coated with Loctite Blue (not Loctite Red). Kent K9ZTV > On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Peter LaBissoniere wrote: > > I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to handle the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the posts. I'm afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and won't help for long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the top? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert wrote: >> >> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming loose on the KXPD2 paddles. I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO. >> >> I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if anyone has a fix for this problem. I would prefer to avoid loss of use of the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to Maryland. >> >> Bob, WO3E >> >> >> >> This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kw9e at wi.rr.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ztv at socket.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 13:32:37 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:32:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: In the K3 there are a few digital lines from the front panel which carry multiplexed information to the CPU. The only way I can think of that would scramble unrelated front panel input according to your report is that the multiplexed line is malfunctioning and screwing up the data stream into the cpu. The essential way to do that is a poor connection in the connector pin/socket between front panel and CPU board. Don't remember serial when Elecraft went to gold pins, but if they aren't gold in yours you need to upgrade. If they ARE gold then the connector probably is not seated properly. There is a lot of good stuff in the archives about the "pin problem". The other thing hate to bring up is lightning/static damage. If you can get to the seller you might want to discuss the problem with him and whether unit non-professionally repaired/disassembled/reassembled. 73, Guy K2AV On Sunday, September 18, 2016, G0PNM wrote: > Hi all, New to the whole Elecraft scene. > Just acquired my first K3 and its serial number is 07126. > I have been experiencing some strange behavior while rotating the VFO > whereby the radio would change bands unexpectedly. On occasions, the rig > will jump to a supposed frequency well out of the range of the radio i.e. > in > the VHF bands! > > I managed to capture this behavior on my phone and have uploaded it to > youtube. The link is here:- > https://youtu.be/IILWIe7hPzg > > > I have waited a long time to get hold of an Elecraft, being my dream radio > but its quickly losing its sparkle and I am losing my hair!. > > ANY help would be much appreciated. I have only had it a week and I am also > emailing the supplier here in the UK. > > Thanks > Pete G0PNM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/K3-Erratic-VFO-behaviour-Switching-bands-and- > freq-s-tp7622624.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Sep 18 14:14:46 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:14:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6m EME Message-ID: <201609181814.u8IIElA4024873@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I am QRV for 6m-eme and have worked three stations. Log link: http://www.kl7uw.com/eme-status.htm Running the K3/10 at 1.7w to drive a Kenwood FL-6020 driver to 11w into Harris Platinum surplus TV ch.2 amplifier outputting 900w to 6-element yagi. Details: http://www.kl7uw.com/6m.htm skeds made on Magic Band EME Group 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Sun Sep 18 15:31:13 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:31:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000c01d211e3$37d91e30$a78b5a90$@biz> Guy is quite right about the pin issue, however I have an early K3 with the original pins and it works FB after 9 years. To be absolutely sure it isn't something external to the K3, first I'd disconnect EVERYTHING except the main power cable, and see if the problem persists. Next I'd remove and replace the front panel assembly. It's not nearly as bad as it sounds but doing so will exercise the connectors and clean any oxidation that has accumulated on the pins. You can download a manual with a detailed procedure with photos for R/R the front panel from Elecraft: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740130%20KDVR3%20Option%20Installation%20Rev %20C.pdf That manual is for adding the digital voice recorder which requires removing the front panel (see pages 6, 7 and 8). One reason I have never had a problem is possibly because my K3 (S/N 00010) has been apart countless times as I maintain the Kit Assembly manual with updates, etc. So the connectors don't get a chance to oxidize. Another thing that I've done is to put a drop of contact cleaner on each pin. I used DeOxit by Caig. But simply exercising those connectors seems to have fixed issues for others. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:33 AM To: G0PNM Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In the K3 there are a few digital lines from the front panel which carry multiplexed information to the CPU. The only way I can think of that would scramble unrelated front panel input according to your report is that the multiplexed line is malfunctioning and screwing up the data stream into the cpu. The essential way to do that is a poor connection in the connector pin/socket between front panel and CPU board. Don't remember serial when Elecraft went to gold pins, but if they aren't gold in yours you need to upgrade. If they ARE gold then the connector probably is not seated properly. There is a lot of good stuff in the archives about the "pin problem". The other thing hate to bring up is lightning/static damage. If you can get to the seller you might want to discuss the problem with him and whether unit non-professionally repaired/disassembled/reassembled. 73, Guy K2AV On Sunday, September 18, 2016, G0PNM wrote: > Hi all, New to the whole Elecraft scene. > Just acquired my first K3 and its serial number is 07126. > I have been experiencing some strange behavior while rotating the VFO > whereby the radio would change bands unexpectedly. On occasions, the > rig will jump to a supposed frequency well out of the range of the radio i.e. > in > the VHF bands! > > I managed to capture this behavior on my phone and have uploaded it to > youtube. The link is here:- https://youtu.be/IILWIe7hPzg > > > > I have waited a long time to get hold of an Elecraft, being my dream > radio but its quickly losing its sparkle and I am losing my hair!. > > ANY help would be much appreciated. I have only had it a week and I am > also emailing the supplier here in the UK. > > Thanks > Pete G0PNM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/K3-Erratic-VFO-behaviour-Switching-bands-and- > freq-s-tp7622624.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Sep 18 15:43:18 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:43:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X and K3S Tx In-Reply-To: <1e024afe-2773-ae74-5262-fdb450e11723@ac0h.net> References: <1473786126285-7622439.post@n2.nabble.com> <1e024afe-2773-ae74-5262-fdb450e11723@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <1474227798158-7622630.post@n2.nabble.com> OK - thanks Rich, Don & Kevin. 1) COM3 was my XG3 RF Signal Source USB Serial Port - silly me... 2) PC Sound Card is now Default - I had to plug something into the Blue Line In and Green Line Out jacks for them to be Ready so I could select them as default 3) Nothing in K3S Line In jack; U7 card connected to the LP-PAN2 4) WSJT-X Line In/Out set to the K3S USB Audio CODEC 5) DATA A selected as mode 6) Did a manual TUNE to each WSPR frequency, so they are now stored in memory 7) WSJT-X/WSPR-2 Mode waterfall dark background with clear and sharp signals Do I want my XFIL wide open to FL1 4.00? Like Kevin says, I'll quit messing with it - it works. Thanks again! Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSJT-X-and-K3S-Tx-tp7622439p7622630.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 18 15:48:52 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:48:52 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: <000c01d211e3$37d91e30$a78b5a90$@biz> References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> <000c01d211e3$37d91e30$a78b5a90$@biz> Message-ID: <014401d211e5$af9cd680$0ed68380$@sbcglobal.net> When I had K3 serial #3505 in for upgrades, it had the old pins and they upgraded to the gold pins and didn't charge me for that part of the service. The support folks told me the change to the gold pins was somewhere just over serial #4000. They did not know the exact serial number. I agree with Ron. I would remove and replace the front panel to exercise the pins for possible oxidation. Also, the front panel connectors may not be aligned properly. Pete, if you decide to perform the front panel removal, it is important that you use an antistatic mat. It is a good idea to have one as you may want to add options or change options later. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:31 PM To: 'G0PNM' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's Guy is quite right about the pin issue, however I have an early K3 with the original pins and it works FB after 9 years. To be absolutely sure it isn't something external to the K3, first I'd disconnect EVERYTHING except the main power cable, and see if the problem persists. Next I'd remove and replace the front panel assembly. It's not nearly as bad as it sounds but doing so will exercise the connectors and clean any oxidation that has accumulated on the pins. You can download a manual with a detailed procedure with photos for R/R the front panel from Elecraft: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740130%20KDVR3%20Option%20Installation%20Rev %20C.pdf That manual is for adding the digital voice recorder which requires removing the front panel (see pages 6, 7 and 8). One reason I have never had a problem is possibly because my K3 (S/N 00010) has been apart countless times as I maintain the Kit Assembly manual with updates, etc. So the connectors don't get a chance to oxidize. Another thing that I've done is to put a drop of contact cleaner on each pin. I used DeOxit by Caig. But simply exercising those connectors seems to have fixed issues for others. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:33 AM To: G0PNM Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In the K3 there are a few digital lines from the front panel which carry multiplexed information to the CPU. The only way I can think of that would scramble unrelated front panel input according to your report is that the multiplexed line is malfunctioning and screwing up the data stream into the cpu. The essential way to do that is a poor connection in the connector pin/socket between front panel and CPU board. Don't remember serial when Elecraft went to gold pins, but if they aren't gold in yours you need to upgrade. If they ARE gold then the connector probably is not seated properly. There is a lot of good stuff in the archives about the "pin problem". The other thing hate to bring up is lightning/static damage. If you can get to the seller you might want to discuss the problem with him and whether unit non-professionally repaired/disassembled/reassembled. 73, Guy K2AV On Sunday, September 18, 2016, G0PNM wrote: > Hi all, New to the whole Elecraft scene. > Just acquired my first K3 and its serial number is 07126. > I have been experiencing some strange behavior while rotating the VFO > whereby the radio would change bands unexpectedly. On occasions, the > rig will jump to a supposed frequency well out of the range of the > radio i.e. > in > the VHF bands! > > I managed to capture this behavior on my phone and have uploaded it to > youtube. The link is here:- https://youtu.be/IILWIe7hPzg > > > > I have waited a long time to get hold of an Elecraft, being my dream > radio but its quickly losing its sparkle and I am losing my hair!. > > ANY help would be much appreciated. I have only had it a week and I am > also emailing the supplier here in the UK. > > Thanks > Pete G0PNM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/K3-Erratic-VFO-behaviour-Switching-bands-and- > freq-s-tp7622624.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From mikerosenberg at hotmail.com Sun Sep 18 16:01:26 2016 From: mikerosenberg at hotmail.com (Michael Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:01:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft, Thank you for having a display at W9DXCC Message-ID: Just wanted to take a couple of minutes to drop a line and say thank you for having a booth at W9DXCC this weekend. It was great to meet Dave S. and see the KX2 in person. I appreciate your making the effort to come to these smaller regional gatherings and bring the full line of products, answer questions and let us check everything out. Also, many thanks for being a contributor of raffle prizes. Best 73s Mike N9YB KX3 #8017 From ron at cobi.biz Sun Sep 18 16:39:24 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:39:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: <014401d211e5$af9cd680$0ed68380$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> <000c01d211e3$37d91e30$a78b5a90$@biz> <014401d211e5$af9cd680$0ed68380$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000d01d211ec$be560c30$3b022490$@biz> Mark makes an excellent point but a special anti-static pad is not required for a simple procedure like this. However, simply unplugging and replacing the FP does not require touching anything inside the K3, so there's no danger. If you need to touch the pins on the connectors or anything inside the K3, a good workable option to the anti-static mat is to simply touch a ground frequently while working. IF you don't already have one, a good pad and a wrist strap to keep you "discharged" is a great addition to your tool kit. One of the Elecraft engineers undertook an analysis to the mats on the market and discovered that some are less than useful. Here's his recommendations as published in many of the Elecraft manuals: An anti-static mat must bleed off any charge that comes in contact with it at a rate slow enough to avoid a shock or short circuit hazard but fast enough to ensure dangerous charges cannot accumulate. Typically, a mat will have a resistance of up to 1 Gigaohm (109 ohms). Testing a mat requires specialized equipment, so we recommend that you choose an anti-static mat that comes with published resistance specifications and clean it as recommended by the manufacturer. Testing has shown that many inexpensive mats that do not specify their resistance have resistance values much too high to provide adequate protection, even after they were cleaned and treated with special anti-static mat solutions. Suitable anti-static table mats are available from many sources including: . U-line (Model 12743 specified at 107 ohms) . Desco (Model 66164, specified at 106 to 108 ohms) . 3MTM Portable Service Kit (Model 8505 or 8507, specified at 106 to 109 ohms) 73, Ron AC7AC From jim at n7us.net Sun Sep 18 16:59:06 2016 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft, Thank you for having a display at W9DXCC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would like to echo Mike's comments. ?Elecraft is very supportive of its customers and gatherings such as W9DXCC. ?I appreciate the effort and cost that went into attending W9DXCC and providing raffle prizes. Jim N7US Sent from Outlook on my iPad _____________________________ From: Michael Rosenberg Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:02 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft, Thank you for having a display at W9DXCC To: Just wanted to take a couple of minutes to drop a line and say thank you for having a booth at W9DXCC this weekend. It was great to meet Dave S. and see the KX2 in person. I appreciate your making the effort to come to these smaller regional gatherings and bring the full line of products, answer questions and let us check everything out. Also, many thanks for being a contributor of raffle prizes. Best 73s Mike N9YB KX3 #8017 ______________________________________________________________ From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 17:25:57 2016 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (ng7m) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 14:25:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? In-Reply-To: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, normally, you would drive a frequency counter with your 10mhz GPSDO output... i.e. you need to have a frequency counter that accepts a 10mhz input as a reference. Then you would measure the output of the XG3 for any given frequency and adjust the parameters in the software that programs the crystal offset in the XG3 firmware. You can find some good deals on an HP 5384A on flea-bay for example... if you look around. Just make sure you don't over drive your frequency counter based on the peak to peak voltage output from the XG3. The same holds true for the output from your GPSDO into your frequency counter... make sure the PVP output meets the frequency counter specification. Max NG7M -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-Calibration-from-10MHz-Standard-tp7622599p7622634.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 18 17:40:09 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:40:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? In-Reply-To: <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <359fc357-1117-4318-73be-eaf5e389ba18@embarqmail.com> If you do not have a frequency counter, there is another way. Use XG3 Utility to set the XG3 to provide a 10 MHz output. Listen to the 10 MHz reference in your receiver in CW mode and peak the signal at your sidetone pitch. Then listen to the XG3 without touching the receiver. Adjust the XG3 software parameters to produce a signal at *exactly* the same sidetone pitch. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/18/2016 5:25 PM, ng7m wrote: > Hi, normally, you would drive a frequency counter with your 10mhz GPSDO > output... i.e. you need to have a frequency counter that accepts a 10mhz > input as a reference. Then you would measure the output of the XG3 for any > given frequency and adjust the parameters in the software that programs the > crystal offset in the XG3 firmware. You can find some good deals on an HP > 5384A on flea-bay for example... if you look around. > > Just make sure you don't over drive your frequency counter based on the peak > to peak voltage output from the XG3. The same holds true for the output > from your GPSDO into your frequency counter... make sure the PVP output > meets the frequency counter specification. > > Max NG7M > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-Calibration-from-10MHz-Standard-tp7622599p7622634.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From geoff at marshalls.plus.com Sun Sep 18 17:52:34 2016 From: geoff at marshalls.plus.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 22:52:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Upgrades Message-ID: Perhaps a simple question but I am a new Elecraft user. I have a 10 Watt K3S, (obtained pre built) together with*the****following three upgrade options ready to be installed; *100W automatic antenna tuner (KAT3), 100W PA stage (KPA3) and 2m option (K144XV). Is there any preferred order to install them? Left to my own devices I would probably start with KPA3, and finish with the K144XV, and I am also wondering whether to re-assemble and test between the addition of each module. Thanks, 73, GeoffG1WRH From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 18:11:40 2016 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (ng7m) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:11:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? In-Reply-To: <359fc357-1117-4318-73be-eaf5e389ba18@embarqmail.com> References: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> <359fc357-1117-4318-73be-eaf5e389ba18@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1474236700371-7622637.post@n2.nabble.com> Bret, Don brings up a great point if you don't have a frequency counter. Per Don's suggestion you could even get very close if you zero beat your K3 to a WWV carrier on 10, 15 or 20 mhz. This is really easy to do with the K3 reference offset setting in the Config menu... Tune into the WWV 10mhz carrier for example on CW and switch back and forth from CW to CW-R... i.e. from side band to side band with the Alt option on the K3 panel... as you do this, make sure you are in the REFCAL K3 menu and tune the offset until you can't hear a difference between the side band tones via switching from CW to CW-R(eversed). If you have a good ear, you can be very accurate. Oh, make sure you K3 is nice and warmed up before you do this. Once you have the K3 REFCAL set as close as you can tell to a WWV carrier, you will be even closer if you follow Don's suggestion about listening to the 10mhz output of the XG3 on your K3 receiver. Pretty easy to get very, very close. Now if you really want to get anal! As in time-nuts anal, you could pick up a used HP Agilent 8657 (or similar) frequency generator. Drive it with your GPSDO and use the output in place of the XG3. And then take it to another level of anal and get a nice used power meter to set the output of the frequency generator to as close as you can to the right power level to calibrate your S meter and power output on your K3. :) It's a evil slippery slope of buying older lab grade equipment in an anal effort to have a very accurate signal reference and power output reference. For a used power meter, I would look at the HP 438A series or even the newer version, but the thing that will set you back are the power sensors... they can pricey and still demand a premium on flea-bay. Something like a HP 8484A to go along with your power sensor. Make sure you know what you are getting for the HF range of power sensors etc.. and know what kind of power you are pumping into the power sensor. If you don't attenuate the level input and adjust accordingly, you can fry the power sensor really quick and turn it into a several hundred dollar brick. ;) Anyway, this kind of stuff is fun... you will find yourself buying all kinds of stuff just to have fun calibrating your gear. Max NG7M -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-Calibration-from-10MHz-Standard-tp7622599p7622637.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 18 18:32:47 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 22:32:47 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014901d211fc$95818590$c08490b0$@sbcglobal.net> Hi Geoff, I have built two K3/100s and one K3S/100. All three with a KAT3/KAT3A. Knowing how tight it is putting in the KAT3/KAT3A, I would install that first. Then the KPA3 and the K144V last. I have never installed a K144V, but I suspect you have to install the KPA3 before the K144V. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 9:53 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Upgrades Perhaps a simple question but I am a new Elecraft user. I have a 10 Watt K3S, (obtained pre built) together with*the****following three upgrade options ready to be installed; *100W automatic antenna tuner (KAT3), 100W PA stage (KPA3) and 2m option (K144XV). Is there any preferred order to install them? Left to my own devices I would probably start with KPA3, and finish with the K144XV, and I am also wondering whether to re-assemble and test between the addition of each module. Thanks, 73, GeoffG1WRH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 18 18:44:14 2016 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 18:44:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] **WANTED Elecraft KX1**** Message-ID: <000c01d211fe$2e9381b0$8bba8510$@ca> Looking for a Elecraft KX1 let me know what options it may have and price shipped. 73 de ve3vtg enzoisis at sympatico.ca 416 824-0569 From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Sep 18 19:08:04 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:08:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D6B2110-897E-4826-B9E2-8D53210786B5@widomaker.com> I believe that if you look at the kit assembly manual, it will reference the installation of these items at the appropriate point during assembly. The kit manual is available from Elecraft website as PDF. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Geoff wrote: > > Perhaps a simple question but I am a new Elecraft user. > > I have a 10 Watt K3S, (obtained pre built) together with*the****following three upgrade options ready to be installed; *100W automatic antenna tuner (KAT3), 100W PA stage (KPA3) and 2m option (K144XV). > > Is there any preferred order to install them? Left to my own devices I would probably start with KPA3, and finish with the K144XV, and I am also wondering whether to re-assemble and test between the addition of each module. > > Thanks, > > 73, GeoffG1WRH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From hotrod541 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 18 20:53:29 2016 From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (Louis Ives) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:53:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise when K-3 keyed Message-ID: My Upgraded K-3 has a noise when the transmitter is keyed. The noise sounds like either some type of data noise or a severe feedback The noise is there the moment that the radio is keyed, no type of voice input needed. I have checked all settings and can find nothing that is out of spec. I bypassed the 100 watt amp and the problem was still there. I am using Heil Proset headset and when the radio is put into test the audio is fine in the headset. I used the recorder to make sure the noise was there during transmit and I also set up a second radio to monitor the K-3. The noise was still there. I have no idea what to check next, if anyone has a suggestions it would be appreciated. PSent from my iPad From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Sep 18 21:41:41 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 18:41:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise when K-3 keyed In-Reply-To: References: <18a5949d-9364-8214-49d4-8891f2c72eb5@foothill.net> Message-ID: OK, this reply is to the list, lots of very smart and experienced folks there. Let's see what others come up with given that additional info. It sounds to me like most if not all of the usual suspects are ruled out. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 9/18/2016 6:27 PM, Louis Ives wrote: > Thanks for the reply. The noise is there in all modes and I am using > Vox but the noise is there even when I key with foot ptt. I > completely disconnected from the antenna system with same results. I > tried with dummy load with same results. The noise almost sounds like > what you would get with noise generator or other injected noise. > >> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Fred Jensen >> wrote: >> >> Hmmm ... first thought would be RF in undesirable places. >> >> 1. How are you asserting PTT? Foot or other switch, or VOX? >> >> 2. If it's not VOX, is it really as soon as you press the switch, >> or does it start as soon as you talk [which can often be almost >> simultaneous]? FWIW: I once had a colleague who couldn't master >> "point and click." His mode was click and then point at what he >> wanted. Push then Talk totally eluded him. :-) >> >> 3. What happens in CW mode? >> >> The K3 makes no RF in TX test, a big clue. Give us a few more >> tidbits of info, like your antenna situation, actions into a dummy >> load if you have one, etc. I'm sure you'll get a lot of help >> here. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 18 22:19:27 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 22:19:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise when K-3 keyed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Louis, It goes away in TX TEST. So I suspect it is an RF-in-the-shack problem. Try the K3 into a dummy load to verify that assumption. If it is OK on a dummy load, your best fix is in the antenna system - better baluns, check antenna connections and anything else that can cause common mode feedline currents. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/18/2016 8:53 PM, Louis Ives wrote: > My Upgraded K-3 has a noise when the transmitter is keyed. The noise sounds like either some type of data noise or a severe feedback The noise is there the moment that the radio is keyed, no type of voice input needed. I have checked all settings and can find nothing that is out of spec. I bypassed the 100 watt amp and the problem was still there. I am using Heil Proset headset and when the radio is put into test the audio is fine in the headset. I used the recorder to make sure the noise was there during transmit and I also set up a second radio to monitor the K-3. The noise was still there. I have no idea what to check next, if anyone has a suggestions it would be appreciated. > > From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sun Sep 18 22:12:38 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise when K-3 keyed In-Reply-To: References: <18a5949d-9364-8214-49d4-8891f2c72eb5@foothill.net> Message-ID: I had the same problem - turned out to be noise from the computer (I was using the USB CODEC for audio in/out to the computer). Ken At 06:41 PM 9/18/2016, Fred Jensen wrote: >OK, this reply is to the list, lots of very smart and experienced folks there. > >Let's see what others come up with given that additional info. It >sounds to me like most if not all of the usual suspects are ruled out. > >73, > >Fred K6DGW >Sparks NV USA >Washoe County DM09dn > >On 9/18/2016 6:27 PM, Louis Ives wrote: >>Thanks for the reply. The noise is there in all modes and I am using >>Vox but the noise is there even when I key with foot ptt. I >>completely disconnected from the antenna system with same results. I >>tried with dummy load with same results. The noise almost sounds like >>what you would get with noise generator or other injected noise. >> >>>On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Fred Jensen >>>wrote: >>> >>>Hmmm ... first thought would be RF in undesirable places. >>> >>>1. How are you asserting PTT? Foot or other switch, or VOX? >>> >>>2. If it's not VOX, is it really as soon as you press the switch, >>>or does it start as soon as you talk [which can often be almost >>>simultaneous]? FWIW: I once had a colleague who couldn't master >>>"point and click." His mode was click and then point at what he >>>wanted. Push then Talk totally eluded him. :-) >>> >>>3. What happens in CW mode? >>> >>>The K3 makes no RF in TX test, a big clue. Give us a few more >>>tidbits of info, like your antenna situation, actions into a dummy >>>load if you have one, etc. I'm sure you'll get a lot of help >>>here. >>> >>>73, >>> >>>Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Mon Sep 19 03:30:43 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 08:30:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: <000d01d211ec$be560c30$3b022490$@biz> References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> <000c01d211e3$37d91e30$a78b5a90$@biz> <014401d211e5$af9cd680$0ed68380$@sbcglobal.net> <000d01d211ec$be560c30$3b022490$@biz> Message-ID: <006601d21247$c0820490$41860db0$@co.uk> Ron wrote: > >Mark makes an excellent point but a special anti-static pad is not required >for a simple procedure like this. However, simply unplugging and replacing >the FP does not require touching anything inside the K3, so there's no >danger. > >If you need to touch the pins on the connectors or anything inside the K3, a >good workable option to the anti-static mat is to simply touch a ground >frequently while working. > Sorry, I would strongly disagree. Removing the front panel is when you need an anti-static mat and wrist strap the MOST. * You are separating two quite large assemblies, each of which is capable of holding a significant charge (and each of which cost several hundred dollars). * You're just about to expose a large number of unprotected internal connector pins. * And in all probability, you're just about to *touch* every one of those pins when applying antioxidant. This really is NOT a good moment to skip the static protection. Also, "touching a ground" is fundamentally NOT what static protection is about! It's about safely CONNECTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER (including the operator) to discharge any potential differences. This includes keeping them connected together, even while subassemblies like the front panel are being unplugged. In this context, the word "safely" includes the use of high-resistance materials and connecting leads, to avoid damaging discharge currents and minimize the risk of electric shock to the operator. That is why the operator is connected through a *high* resistance to ground - and also why "touching ground" can actually do damage. Note to Pete, G0PNM: in the UK, Contralube 770 (from Maplin) has proved to be an excellent alternative to Deoxit. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From acdmeagher at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 04:45:13 2016 From: acdmeagher at gmail.com (Chris Meagher) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:45:13 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] erratic vfo Message-ID: Hi Pete and the forum I have been having exactly the same problem. While rotating the VFO, it will suddenly jump to another frequency or band, usually this seems to be nearer the band edges. There is a relay click when there ought not to be one, then further on the 'jump' happens. I have been advised to use de-oxit spray on the front panel to motherboard pins, that did not work. The next advice from elecraft support was to replace the motherboard male pins with gold plated pins, I did this and it seemed to be effective for a few days, but then the erratic behaviour returned, exactly the same symptoms. 200MHz is a frequently jumped to point, and when i turn off the rig and back on, it always goes to 28MHz band. I am suspecting that something in newer firmware is incompatible with the older K3's, but have no way to confirm this. I understand your frustration, I have the same sense of disappointment, and wonder what to do, I have been going back to my K2 as it is totally trouble free. Chris VK2ACD From graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk Mon Sep 19 05:21:55 2016 From: graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk (G Wood) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:21:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's Message-ID: <902750362.15745710.1474276915176.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> Hello Pete A few months ago I had similar problem with my K3 (sn: 05845). I upgraded the FW from 05.29 to 05.38, tuning the vfo, the freq would jump, sometimes out of band. One occasion both vfo's read 300.000.00. The rig had worked fine on the old FW so I reverted back to FW 05.29. That solved all the problems, that was 7 months ago, touch wood everything has worked fine since. Something worth trying before taking boards out etc. Graham G3VIP From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 19 05:41:33 2016 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:41:33 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] erratic vfo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chris How old is your K3 ? I built mine in 2008 (s/n 1397). It has all the "works" and I have recently upgraded it with all the new boards available. I have never experienced what you are suffering and I am running all of the latest firmware and a KPod. Barry VK2BJ On 19 September 2016 at 18:45, Chris Meagher wrote: > Hi Pete and the forum > > I have been having exactly the same problem. > While rotating the VFO, it will suddenly jump to another frequency or band, > usually this seems > to be nearer the band edges. There is a relay click when there ought not to > be one, then further on > the 'jump' happens. > > I have been advised to use de-oxit spray on the front panel to motherboard > pins, that did not work. > The next advice from elecraft support was to replace the motherboard male > pins with gold plated pins, > I did this and it seemed to be effective for a few days, but then the > erratic behaviour returned, exactly the same symptoms. > 200MHz is a frequently jumped to point, and when i turn off the rig and > back on, it always goes to 28MHz band. > > I am suspecting that something in newer firmware is incompatible with the > older K3's, > but have no way to confirm this. > > I understand your frustration, I have the same sense of disappointment, and > wonder what to do, > I have been going back to my K2 as it is totally trouble free. > > Chris > VK2ACD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From kh at kh-translation.dk Mon Sep 19 09:28:38 2016 From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:28:38 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - JT65 on 2m Message-ID: <008401d21279$bb463910$31d2ab30$@kh-translation.dk> Dear Elecrafters, After having a lot of DX and fun with WSJT-X on HF using JT65 I was about to look for the possibilities of activating my 2m transverter in my K3. WSJT-X suggests 144.489 but on the internet there are a lot of other frequencies listed among others 144.076, 144.116, 144.160 and 144.120 MHz. Having just a 4-element horizontal Yagi I will rather ask for advice than spending a lot of time on empty frequencies. Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld From dave at nk7z.net Mon Sep 19 09:29:19 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 06:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise when K-3 keyed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1474291759.8624.9.camel@nk7z.net> On Sun, 2016-09-18 at 22:19 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Louis, > > It goes away in TX TEST.??So I suspect it is an RF-in-the-shack > problem. > Try the K3 into a dummy load to verify that assumption. > > If it is OK on a dummy load, your best fix is in the antenna system -? > better baluns, check antenna connections and anything else that can? > cause common mode feedline currents. > > 73, > Don W3FPR Bingo! ?I was getting ready to send the same message... ?I am also sure it is RF related. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From ka5y at yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 09:57:05 2016 From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 06:57:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] **WANTED Elecraft KX1**** In-Reply-To: <000c01d211fe$2e9381b0$8bba8510$@ca> References: <000c01d211fe$2e9381b0$8bba8510$@ca> Message-ID: <1474293425240-7622652.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a KX1, with tuner, 30 meters, key, bnc lamp dummy load, Pelican 1120 case, all manuals. Looks great and works as it should. Looked up shipping to Canada and medium priority mail box is almost $50. Asking $425 based on that shipping. 73 Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WANTED-Elecraft-KX1-tp7622639p7622652.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Mon Sep 19 12:24:40 2016 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 09:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Ground Loop Isolation XFRMR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> I have a switch-box at my station which allows me to switch back and forth between the K3 audio and PC audio. This allows me to have SDR running on the PC and I can also listen to the K3 in one ear and the PC in the other. Any way, I've been experiencing ground-loop noise from my PC. I've tried three different isolation transformers and they all work, but with significant signal loss from the PC. Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks! N1BBR :-] -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 19 12:41:44 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 09:41:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: <006601d21247$c0820490$41860db0$@co.uk> References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> <000c01d211e3$37d91e30$a78b5a90$@biz> <014401d211e5$af9cd680$0ed68380$@sbcglobal.net> <000d01d211ec$be560c30$3b022490$@biz> <006601d21247$c0820490$41860db0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <003101d21294$b52c8820$1f859860$@biz> Ian: You make good points. That's why I was careful to say that static was not a serious issue as long as you do NOT touch anything inside the K3. If so, such as applying cleaner to the pins, anti-static protection is needed. My comments are based on over 50 years of working on sensitive solid state gear, in the field and in the lab. And they agree with Wayne's recommendations, which we have reproduced in the various Elecraft assembly manuals. The most common source of a static charge while working is the person; clothing rubbing, feet shuffling on the floor, etc. That's why being grounded is very important. The ideal is to wear a conductive wrist or ankle strap connected to ground through a high-value resistor (1 meg is common) to prevent shock. Touching a ground accomplishes the same benefit. When not wearing a strap I touch a ground every time before touching a component or circuit. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian White Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:31 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's Sorry, I would strongly disagree. Removing the front panel is when you need an anti-static mat and wrist strap the MOST. * You are separating two quite large assemblies, each of which is capable of holding a significant charge (and each of which cost several hundred dollars). * You're just about to expose a large number of unprotected internal connector pins. * And in all probability, you're just about to *touch* every one of those pins when applying antioxidant. This really is NOT a good moment to skip the static protection. Also, "touching a ground" is fundamentally NOT what static protection is about! It's about safely CONNECTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER (including the operator) to discharge any potential differences. This includes keeping them connected together, even while subassemblies like the front panel are being unplugged. In this context, the word "safely" includes the use of high-resistance materials and connecting leads, to avoid damaging discharge currents and minimize the risk of electric shock to the operator. That is why the operator is connected through a *high* resistance to ground - and also why "touching ground" can actually do damage. Note to Pete, G0PNM: in the UK, Contralube 770 (from Maplin) has proved to be an excellent alternative to Deoxit. 73 from Ian GM3SEK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 19 12:46:48 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 09:46:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] erratic vfo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003201d21295$6a2bfb20$3e83f160$@biz> Frustrating for sure! Does Elecraft support have any suggestions? Email: k3support- at - elecraft dot com. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Meagher Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 1:45 AM To: pete.sobye at icloud.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] erratic vfo Hi Pete and the forum I have been having exactly the same problem. While rotating the VFO, it will suddenly jump to another frequency or band, usually this seems to be nearer the band edges. There is a relay click when there ought not to be one, then further on the 'jump' happens. I have been advised to use de-oxit spray on the front panel to motherboard pins, that did not work. The next advice from elecraft support was to replace the motherboard male pins with gold plated pins, I did this and it seemed to be effective for a few days, but then the erratic behaviour returned, exactly the same symptoms. 200MHz is a frequently jumped to point, and when i turn off the rig and back on, it always goes to 28MHz band. I am suspecting that something in newer firmware is incompatible with the older K3's, but have no way to confirm this. I understand your frustration, I have the same sense of disappointment, and wonder what to do, I have been going back to my K2 as it is totally trouble free. Chris VK2ACD From ny9h at arrl.net Mon Sep 19 13:49:55 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:49:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft, Thank you for having a display at W9DXCC In-Reply-To: <01e001d21207$5ae45470$10acfd50$@com> References: <01e001d21207$5ae45470$10acfd50$@com> Message-ID: I'll third that ,,, disappointed that I did not see a single device 5 KW amplifier.... ( hehe ) ...\ please no flamers... I know the drill. TNX Eric & Wayne for coming to Chicago.... T'was great. bill NY9H / 3 At 07:49 PM 9/18/2016, you wrote: >I will add a second to that. > >Bob, K9RHY > >From: NIDXA at yahoogroups.com [mailto:NIDXA at yahoogroups.com] >Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:59 PM >To: Michael Rosenberg; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Cc: NIDXA Reflector >Subject: [NIDXA] Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft, Thank >you for having a display at W9DXCC > > > > >I would like to echo Mike's comments. Elecraft >is very supportive of its customers and >gatherings such as W9DXCC. I appreciate the >effort and cost that went into attending W9DXCC and providing raffle prizes. >Jim N7US >Sent from Outlook on my iPad > >_____________________________ >From: Michael Rosenberg ><mikerosenberg at hotmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:02 PM >Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft, Thank you for having a display at W9DXCC >To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > > >Just wanted to take a couple of minutes to drop >a line and say thank you for having a booth at >W9DXCC this weekend. It was great to meet Dave >S. and see the KX2 in person. I appreciate your >making the effort to come to these smaller >regional gatherings and bring the full line of >products, answer questions and let us check everything out. > > >Also, many thanks for being a contributor of raffle prizes. > > >Best 73s > > >Mike > >N9YB > >KX3 #8017 >______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > >__._,_.___ > >---------- >Posted by: "Bob Farkaly" > >---------- > > >Visit >Your Group > >Yahoo! Groups > >? >Privacy >? >Unsubscribe >? Terms of Use > >__,_._,___ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 19 14:03:53 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:03:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Ground Loop Isolation XFRMR? In-Reply-To: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Mon,9/19/2016 9:24 AM, dw wrote: > I have a switch-box at my station which allows me to switch back and > forth between the K3 audio and PC audio. > This allows me to have SDR running on the PC and I can also listen to > the K3 in one ear and the PC in the other. > > Any way, I've been experiencing ground-loop noise from my PC. > I've tried three different isolation transformers and they all work, but > with significant signal loss from the PC. > Does anyone have a suggestion? Yes. NO transformer is needed. What IS needed is 1) simple bonding together of the chassis of all the equipment in your shack, bonding that to all the other grounds in your home; and 2) get power for all of the equipment in your shack from the same AC outlet, or from outlets whose green wires are bonded together. Study http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From dave at nk7z.net Mon Sep 19 14:15:34 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:15:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Pig Knob (New in box) Message-ID: <1474308934.13626.8.camel@nk7z.net> Hi, I have a new in the box, never connected or even powered up, Pig Knob for sale. ? This is new, never used, in it's original box. ?Includes all cables and paper work. The first $85.00 gets it to your CONUS door, Paypal only. The little Googly Pig Eyes are also still with it, unused. ?You can attach them if you want, or leave them off... For more info see: http://shop.pignology.net/PigKnob_p_31.html -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From Robin at rmoseley.co.uk Mon Sep 19 14:40:47 2016 From: Robin at rmoseley.co.uk (Robin Moseley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:40:47 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Ground Loop Isolation XFRMR? In-Reply-To: References: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: or open circuit one of the shields at one end.. Robin G1MHU From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Sep 19 15:09:49 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:09:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads Message-ID: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> Ron ? Your post (below) came at the right moment. I am about to begin building another K2 and wondered whether my anti-static pad, now more than five years and ten Elecraft kits old, needs some sort of cleaning to maintain its properties; and, if so, what to clean it with ? or maybe to replace it. I have looked and found no brand name on it anywhere, though maybe there was one that disappeared when I cut the mat to fit my workspace. I believe it was one of those recommended by Elecraft, but I have no record of it. Is there a generic cleaner, or would it be safer to begin with a new one? Forgive my asking this on the reflector rather than by private e-mail; but I suspect there may be some other old mats like me out there . . . Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:39:24 -0700 From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" To: "'G0PNM'" Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's Message-ID: <000d01d211ec$be560c30$3b022490$@biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" . . . Testing a mat requires specialized equipment, so we recommend that you choose an anti-static mat that comes with published resistance specifications and clean it as recommended by the manufacturer. . . . 73, Ron AC7AC From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Sep 19 15:13:03 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:13:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Ground Loop Isolation XFRMR? In-Reply-To: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4ea99a6c-2512-7a21-68c1-7e6659d206fb@foothill.net> The K3 has isolation transformers on LINE IN/OUT. You don't need to add any more. I assume you're using the term "ground-loop problems" in the generic [and somewhat archaic] sense. Make sure that you're not using the shield of any of the cables [RF or AF] as the bond between your component's chassis' or enclosures. They should all be directly bonded together. If isolating the shields with external isolation transformers fixes the noise, that's a huge clue. Finding the "chassis" on laptops can be a problem. The hold-down nuts on DB or DE connectors are often [but not always] one place to get it. Unfortunately, those can be hard to find on some new laptops. In stubborn cases, I'm told it sometimes helps if all the power cords connect to the same green wire too although I've never had to go that far. 73, Fred K6DGW -Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/19/2016 9:24 AM, dw wrote: > Any way, I've been experiencing ground-loop noise from my PC. > I've tried three different isolation transformers and they all work, but > with significant signal loss from the PC. > Does anyone have a suggestion? > > Thanks! > N1BBR :-] From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 19 16:12:21 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:12:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> Hello Ed: I don't have any experience with mat cleaners. Perhaps some of the other list members do. If your old mat did not come with a resistance value specified, I suggest replacing it. The Elecraft engineer testing a variety of mats found that the resistance of a mat without a spec was always far too high to be of practical value. I checked to see if the products suggested are still available. These all have resistances in the Gigaohm (1X10^9 ohm) range. The U-Line mat can be purchased here: https://www.uline.com/BL_7403/Anti-Static-Table-Mats The Desco 66164 is available here: http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/desco/floor-worksurface-mats/worksurface-mats/vinyl/66164.htm The 3M mats seem to have been replaced by this one: http://www.isconline.com/product/8214/3M-Blue-2%27x4%27-Table-Mat.html?cid=14 Note that the K2 manual does not make much of an issue about an anti-static mat. It's on the bottom of the anti-static priority list Wayne compiled. In the interest of full disclosure, I built my K2 while most of my stuff was in storage, working solely on a small wooden drawing board using my ESD-Safe iron. I simply did the recommended "touch a ground" before each time I reached for a transistor, i.c. or pc board and experienced no problems whatsoever. Sixteen years later the K2 is still going strong. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:10 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads Ron ? Your post (below) came at the right moment. I am about to begin building another K2 and wondered whether my anti-static pad, now more than five years and ten Elecraft kits old, needs some sort of cleaning to maintain its properties; and, if so, what to clean it with ? or maybe to replace it. I have looked and found no brand name on it anywhere, though maybe there was one that disappeared when I cut the mat to fit my workspace. I believe it was one of those recommended by Elecraft, but I have no record of it. Is there a generic cleaner, or would it be safer to begin with a new one? Forgive my asking this on the reflector rather than by private e-mail; but I suspect there may be some other old mats like me out there . . . Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Sep 19 16:50:32 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:50:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> Message-ID: I built K2 S/N 4398 the same as Ron, on a desktop with a Formica top in a room with a carpet. I kept all semiconductor parts in their anti-static bags and/or conductive foam, and touched ground before picking them up. My soldering station is static-safe. I tried not to shuffle my feet on the carpet and wore sneakers with rubber soles. I did ban the vacuum from the room until I was done and the K2 was working. :-) Don did an alignment for me when he replaced an intermittent component, other than that, it's been completely fine. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 9/19/2016 1:12 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Note that the K2 manual does not make much of an issue about an > anti-static mat. It's on the bottom of the anti-static priority list > Wayne compiled. In the interest of full disclosure, I built my K2 > while most of my stuff was in storage, working solely on a small > wooden drawing board using my ESD-Safe iron. I simply did the > recommended "touch a ground" before each time I reached for a > transistor, i.c. or pc board and experienced no problems whatsoever. > Sixteen years later the K2 is still going strong. > > 73, Ron AC7AC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:12:20 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> Message-ID: <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> Hi all, A point I failed to make in my comments below is that the goal of anti-static measures is to keep everything at the same potential (and not necessarily to 'ground things'). For instance, all my tools touch my anti-static mat before I use them, and when I remove a device which is shipped in anti-static bags or the black foam from its anti-static material, I place the bag or foam on my anti-static mat first, then remove the device and place its leads on the mat. That assures that anything originating beyond the bounds of my mat will be equalized to whatever potential exists on the mat - there should be no static potential difference between items that reside on my mat. 73, Don W3FPR ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hi all, While I can state that Ron's comment about the K2 is typically true, the static tolerance of thru-hole ICs and transistors is lower than it was back in 1998 or even 2006 (OK, I picked those years as a guess). Many current DIP mounted devices are really SMD devices with DIP leads and can be as static sensitive as the devices in the K3 and KX3. Despite the "touch grounded metal" instruction in the K2 manual, I do see some repairs come in with failed firmware ICs, and rarely, but not zero, some 'normal' ICs on a new build. My best guess is that those parts were damaged due to a static charge. Whether the builder did not follow the "touch a metal ground" or not I cannot tell, all I know is that it failed. When possible, use an anti-static mat and wrist strap when handling ICs and transistors, especially during periods of low humidity. Do not work on carpet without them and do not wear nylon clothing - and don't shuffle your feet on the floor while working. The minimum should be a wrist strap connected to the green-wire ground in your house. You can use a banana plug in the round pin of an electrical receptacle, but before you trust it, get one of the receptacle testers and make sure that green wire ground is intact - some are not. Whether your anti-static precautions are 'overkill' for the task to be accomplished will never be known. Take whatever precautions make you feel comfortable with the risk factor involved. Doing nothing or ignoring the static damage probability is not acceptable unless you are willing to accept the risk. I suggest that you do not connect the wrist strap to a separate ground rod that you have for your hamshack unless that ground rod is also bonded to the utility entrance ground rod. It is off this topic, but if your ground rods are not connected to the utility entrance ground, it is a safety hazard should something in the house *or* your shack develop a fault. In addition, it is a violation of the NEC (those codes are written for your safety). 73, Don W3FPR On 9/19/2016 4:12 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Note that the K2 manual does not make much of an issue about an anti-static mat. It's on the bottom of the anti-static priority list Wayne compiled. In the interest of full disclosure, I built my K2 while most of my stuff was in storage, working solely on a small wooden drawing board using my ESD-Safe iron. I simply did the recommended "touch a ground" before each time I reached for a transistor, i.c. or pc board and experienced no problems whatsoever. Sixteen years later the K2 is still going strong. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 19 16:59:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> Message-ID: Hi all, While I can state that Ron's comment about the K2 is typically true, the static tolerance of thru-hole ICs and transistors is lower than it was back in 1998 or even 2006 (OK, I picked those years as a guess). Many DIP mounted devices are really SMD devices with DIP leads and can be as static sensitive as the devices in the K3 and KX3. Despite the "touch grounded metal" instruction in the K2 manual, I do see some repairs come in with failed firmware ICs, and rarely, but not zero, some 'normal' ICs on a new build. My best guess is that those parts were damaged due to a static charge. Whether the builder did not follow the "touch a metal ground" or not I cannot tell, all I know is that it failed. When possible, use an anti-static mat and wrist strap when handling ICs and transistors, especially during periods of low humidity. Do not work on carpet without them and do not wear nylon clothing - and don't shuffle your feet on the floor while working. The minimum should be a wrist strap connected to the green-wire ground in your house. You can use a banana plug in the round pin of an electrical receptacle, but before you trust it, get one of the receptacle testers and make sure that green wire ground is intact - some are not. Whether your anti-static precautions are 'overkill' for the task to be accomplished will never be known. Take whatever precautions make you feel comfortable with the risk factor involved. Doing nothing or ignoring the static damage probability is not acceptable unless you are willing to accept the risk. I suggest that you do not connect the wrist strap to a separate ground rod that you have for your hamshack unless that ground rod is also bonded to the utility entrance ground rod. It is off this topic, but if your ground rods are not connected to the utility entrance ground, it is a safety hazard should something in the house *or* your shack develop a fault. In addition, it is a violation of the NEC (those codes are written for your safety). 73, Don W3FPR On 9/19/2016 4:12 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Note that the K2 manual does not make much of an issue about an anti-static mat. It's on the bottom of the anti-static priority list Wayne compiled. In the interest of full disclosure, I built my K2 while most of my stuff was in storage, working solely on a small wooden drawing board using my ESD-Safe iron. I simply did the recommended "touch a ground" before each time I reached for a transistor, i.c. or pc board and experienced no problems whatsoever. Sixteen years later the K2 is still going strong. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 19 17:22:56 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:22:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Ground Loop Isolation XFRMR? In-Reply-To: References: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <6ae68c22-055e-f4fb-a11f-341c9aa79f84@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,9/19/2016 11:40 AM, Robin Moseley wrote: > or open circuit one of the shields at one end. NO, NO, NO!These are UN-BALANCED circuits. That solution only works on BALANCED circuits. 73, Jim K9YC From pauls at elecraft.com Mon Sep 19 17:37:07 2016 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:37:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? In-Reply-To: <1474236700371-7622637.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> <359fc357-1117-4318-73be-eaf5e389ba18@embarqmail.com> <1474236700371-7622637.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474321027380-7622664.post@n2.nabble.com> Please realize that while the XG3 can be calibrated, it does not employ a temperature compensated or ovenized crystal oscillator as is found in higher end test equipment. The unit can be susceptible to temperature swings, holding it in your hand for several minutes, for example, will affect the output frequency by a few Hertz. 73, Paul n6hz XG3 PM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-Calibration-from-10MHz-Standard-tp7622599p7622664.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Sep 19 17:41:48 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Ground Loop Isolation XFRMR? In-Reply-To: <4ea99a6c-2512-7a21-68c1-7e6659d206fb@foothill.net> References: <1474302280.1670788.730363985.161C444E@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4ea99a6c-2512-7a21-68c1-7e6659d206fb@foothill.net> Message-ID: <883f819c-eca2-2d44-5ff9-426ec6508386@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,9/19/2016 12:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > The K3 has isolation transformers on LINE IN/OUT. You don't need to > add any more. And THOSE transformers are unnecessary -- all that is needed is proper BONDING. > I assume you're using the term "ground-loop problems" in the generic > [and somewhat archaic] sense. Yes. Indeed, there is no such thing as a "ground loop" -- it's an entirely false concept. > Make sure that you're not using the shield of any of the cables [RF or > AF] as the bond between your component's chassis' or enclosures. Right. That is NOT a bond. Indeed, part of the CAUSE of these hum/buzz problems is that the cable shield is NOT connected to the chassis at one or both ends. > They should all be directly bonded together. If isolating the shields > with external isolation transformers fixes the noise, that's a huge clue. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:57:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:57:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Geoff, I did not see a reply on the reflector, so I am offering my opinion. The order I would suggest is to add the KAT3 first, then the KPA3, and last the K144XV. That order suggestion is based on physical space, nothing electrical. It is easier to install the KAT3 before the KPA3 because there is more "finger room". The K144XV should be installed last because it sits atop everything else and you would likely want to remove it to install the KPA3. Whether you test each one as each is installed or wait until you have everything in is up to you. Testing each one as it is installed will tell you that piece is OK. If you wait until all of them have been installed, in the case of trouble, all you can say is that the problem is with one of the options installed. If you are *really* good at troubleshooting, then you will be successful either way, but since you felt a need to ask, I suspect your confidence level is not that high and you should test each after its installation. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/18/2016 5:52 PM, Geoff wrote: > Perhaps a simple question but I am a new Elecraft user. > > I have a 10 Watt K3S, (obtained pre built) together > with*the****following three upgrade options ready to be installed; > *100W automatic antenna tuner (KAT3), 100W PA stage (KPA3) and 2m > option (K144XV). > > Is there any preferred order to install them? Left to my own devices I > would probably start with KPA3, and finish with the K144XV, and I am > also wondering whether to re-assemble and test between the addition of > each module. From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 19 18:16:03 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:16:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> Message-ID: <003301d212c3$691f0910$3b5d1b30$@biz> As I observed to Dick, n0ce: It's been a long, long road from the early low-impedance bipolar transistors to the modern ultra low power FETs. There was a time we worried about getting hurt: knocked on our keister by accidentally touching high voltage or burning our fingers on a hot vacuum tube. Now the tables are turned and we have to worry more about the equipment. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 1:59 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads Hi all, While I can state that Ron's comment about the K2 is typically true, the static tolerance of thru-hole ICs and transistors is lower than it was back in 1998 or even 2006 (OK, I picked those years as a guess). Many DIP mounted devices are really SMD devices with DIP leads and can be as static sensitive as the devices in the K3 and KX3. Despite the "touch grounded metal" instruction in the K2 manual, I do see some repairs come in with failed firmware ICs, and rarely, but not zero, some 'normal' ICs on a new build. My best guess is that those parts were damaged due to a static charge. Whether the builder did not follow the "touch a metal ground" or not I cannot tell, all I know is that it failed. When possible, use an anti-static mat and wrist strap when handling ICs and transistors, especially during periods of low humidity. Do not work on carpet without them and do not wear nylon clothing - and don't shuffle your feet on the floor while working. The minimum should be a wrist strap connected to the green-wire ground in your house. You can use a banana plug in the round pin of an electrical receptacle, but before you trust it, get one of the receptacle testers and make sure that green wire ground is intact - some are not. Whether your anti-static precautions are 'overkill' for the task to be accomplished will never be known. Take whatever precautions make you feel comfortable with the risk factor involved. Doing nothing or ignoring the static damage probability is not acceptable unless you are willing to accept the risk. I suggest that you do not connect the wrist strap to a separate ground rod that you have for your hamshack unless that ground rod is also bonded to the utility entrance ground rod. It is off this topic, but if your ground rods are not connected to the utility entrance ground, it is a safety hazard should something in the house *or* your shack develop a fault. In addition, it is a violation of the NEC (those codes are written for your safety). 73, Don W3FPR From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Mon Sep 19 18:23:06 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:23:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? In-Reply-To: <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474323786853-7622667.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a Rigol DG1022A Arbitrary Waveform Function Generator that has a counter that can measure 1 Hz to 200 MHz at 200 mVpp to 5 Vpp. My GPSDO is within this range for 10 MHz output (5 Vpp knocked down 3 dB). Seems the XG3 and XG3 should work fine, eh? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-Calibration-from-10MHz-Standard-tp7622599p7622667.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at comcast.net Mon Sep 19 18:50:25 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:50:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? In-Reply-To: <1474323786853-7622667.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474152558646-7622599.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474233957035-7622634.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474323786853-7622667.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57E06BB1.1050306@comcast.net> Hi Maverick, The accuracy of the DG1022A stinks with the internal oscillator. Counter likewise is inaccurate. Look at the specs -- something like 50 ppm. I had one and measured how bad it really was. In all other respects, it was a decent product. Apparently waveform synthesis is cheap and easy but including a decent reference oscillator isn't at the Rigol's price point. When I tried to lock it to a Rb source and it was much better but still off (low) a small amount. To make it accurate, I had to use as super-stable reference oscillator at slightly greater than 10 MHz (10,000,000.175Hz) to get the RIGOL to be accurate. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 9/19/2016 22:23 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I have a Rigol DG1022A Arbitrary Waveform Function Generator that has a > counter that can measure 1 Hz to 200 MHz at 200 mVpp to 5 Vpp. My GPSDO is > within this range for 10 MHz output (5 Vpp knocked down 3 dB). Seems the XG3 > and XG3 should work fine, eh? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-Calibration-from-10MHz-Standard-tp7622599p7622667.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From K1ND at comcast.net Mon Sep 19 20:13:16 2016 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:13:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 for sale Message-ID: <92241951-d58d-013f-8522-ece2dd199931@comcast.net> Elecraft K1 with 4-band module and original manual Available from an estate that I'm handling 73, Jan ~ contact off-list => k1nd at comcast dor net From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:19:07 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:19:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DSP/Audio upgrade for K3 Message-ID: <525F2ACC-A05F-4A2F-9FFA-0AC27BE9D78C@gmail.com> Anyone ever heard a fact or rumor (or conspiracy theory related to chemtrails) about what happened to the early advertised DSP board upgrade for the K3 that included the new low distortion AF amp in the K3S?? It was announced as one of the upgrades that would be available for the K3. Apparently still buried under the cone of silence ? but it would be nice to have some definitive answer from Elecraft one way or the other. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From w2lj at verizon.net Mon Sep 19 21:01:19 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:01:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC September Sprint this Wednesday Evening Message-ID: <6644993bcead7e429f5711bc2426c9b4@192.168.1.5> The September sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (September 21st, EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Thursday, September 22nd, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases. For all the "official" information, please go to: http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201609.html There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important information. Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the GAIN antenna category. Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website. This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards. If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts. If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+ members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life. Come join us and have a real good time! 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 for NAQCC http://naqcc.info/ From wlbaber at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 19 21:21:01 2016 From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 01:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, I did M/M with a big station in the NW running Icom 7700. Needless to say comparison between K3 (one was on site) versus Icom radios came into discussion during rest periods. Yes, the Icom 7700 played quite well, giving what some called "full-body" cw and easy to pick-out-stations while running them. I like all radios...well almost all of them. Having said that, you can easily get "full-body" cw and better running of station if you simulate the front-end of the Icom radio using K3. To do this, set the first I-F filter to ssb bandwidth (2.7khz) and then use the DSP to deliver 500 hz passband. You will hear stations that are within the 2.7khz window but not quite on your frequency (similar to 7700) while running stations, and without having to fool so often with RIT. Once you go to 400 hz in the first I-F of K3 you are in serious high dynamic range territory...better have a k-pod on RIT and forget about "full-body" cw, which requires a wider first I-F. Of course when you need a narrow first I-F you can have several of them in K3. My two cents. 73, Will, wj9b CWops #1085 CWA Advisor levels II and III http://cwops.org/ From rwnewbould at comcast.net Mon Sep 19 21:56:18 2016 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Manual Message-ID: <1096cb79-f6ce-7b85-a58f-82ca52b08605@comcast.net> The searchable emails did not cover this question, so if it was asked prior I apologize. Should K3 owners just stick with the K3 manual which is dated 2011 or should we start using the K3S manual? I guess the real question would be are these manuals now combined into one for both radios? Rich K3RWN From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Sep 19 22:34:17 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:34:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: At this point; A Question about how to properly test an anti-static mat? I bought one last winter that appears to be totally non-conductive. I don't think it is my error. If others have mats like this, and are trusting them, I can see the possibility for failures. Dick, n0ce P.S. I like reading the comments about the K2's. On 9/19/2016 4:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Hi all, > > A point I failed to make in my comments below is that the goal of > anti-static measures is to keep everything at the same potential (and > not necessarily to 'ground things'). > For instance, all my tools touch my anti-static mat before I use them, > and when I remove a device which is shipped in anti-static bags or the > black foam from its anti-static material, I place the bag or foam on > my anti-static mat first, then remove the device and place its leads > on the mat. That assures that anything originating beyond the bounds > of my mat will be equalized to whatever potential exists on the mat - > there should be no static potential difference between items that > reside on my mat. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From jim at rhodesend.net Mon Sep 19 22:40:10 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:40:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Well, the resistance of a good one is probably higher than what a normal VOM could measure. A merger might measure it, but having never had access to one I couldn't be sure. On Sep 19, 2016 8:35 PM, "Richard Fjeld" wrote: At this point; A Question about how to properly test an anti-static mat? I bought one last winter that appears to be totally non-conductive. I don't think it is my error. If others have mats like this, and are trusting them, I can see the possibility for failures. Dick, n0ce P.S. I like reading the comments about the K2's. On 9/19/2016 4:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Hi all, > > A point I failed to make in my comments below is that the goal of > anti-static measures is to keep everything at the same potential (and > not necessarily to 'ground things'). > For instance, all my tools touch my anti-static mat before I use them, > and when I remove a device which is shipped in anti-static bags or the > black foam from its anti-static material, I place the bag or foam on > my anti-static mat first, then remove the device and place its leads > on the mat. That assures that anything originating beyond the bounds > of my mat will be equalized to whatever potential exists on the mat - > there should be no static potential difference between items that > reside on my mat. > > 73, > Don W3FPR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Sep 19 22:45:06 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:45:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <79a288fa-3aef-30a3-a7f4-d7c1dff660b0@foothill.net> 10^9+ ohms [1,000 megohms or more] is pretty much "non-conductive" for anything we ordinary hams have to measure it. My Heath MM-1 just doesn't register at that. :-) Whether or not your mat is any good for ESD protection, and whether or not you can believe the specs if it has them, depends a lot on where it comes from. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/19/2016 7:34 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > At this point; A Question about how to properly test an anti-static mat? > > I bought one last winter that appears to be totally non-conductive. I > don't think it is my error. > If others have mats like this, and are trusting them, I can see the > possibility for failures. > > Dick, n0ce From ron at cobi.biz Mon Sep 19 23:05:41 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:05:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> The test procedure involves both the contact area and measuring a very high resistance - in the Gigaohm range. That requires very specialized equipment that few (if any) Hams have on hand. Useful "probes" for connecting to the mat run from $150 to almost $400. For example: https://www.amazon.com/PRS-801-W-Conductive-Surface-Resistance-Electrode/dp/ B017V3RO2A/ref=pd_day0_328_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=9VFF4V66Y9VFB0F7Z4E9 I believe you will need two probes, plus a meter that can measure in the Gigaohm range . The price of one probe would convince me to simply buy a new mat, Hi! 73 Ron AC7AC P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Fjeld Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 7:34 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads At this point; A Question about how to properly test an anti-static mat? I bought one last winter that appears to be totally non-conductive. I don't think it is my error. If others have mats like this, and are trusting them, I can see the possibility for failures. Dick, n0ce P.S. I like reading the comments about the K2's. From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Sep 19 23:32:43 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 03:32:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: I stand corrected. I didn't realize the resistance was that great. I need to think of a simple way to determine conductivity rather than measuring the resistance. Thanks for the answers. Dick, n0ce From n1al at sonic.net Tue Sep 20 00:36:35 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:36:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: On 09/19/2016 08:32 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I stand corrected. I didn't realize the resistance was that great. > > I need to think of a simple way to determine conductivity rather than > measuring the resistance. Here are the results of some anti-static mat testing that I did a few years ago. If you scroll down to the bottom, there is a description of the test procedure. http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg94407.html Alan N1AL From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Sep 20 01:00:46 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:00:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - JT65 on 2m Message-ID: <201609200500.u8K50lE2027848@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Kjeld, Not sure what is locally done in Denmark but as a 2m eme'er I can tell you that 144.000-144.100 is universally restricted to CW-only. 144.100-144.170 is used for digital eme with 144.140 also used for meteor scatter in NA. 144.170-144.200 in the USA is fairly un-used so open for SSB or CW or digital. Above 144.200-144.275 is SSB and 144.275-144.300 is used for beacons. But I realize a lot of EU only has 144-146 MHz so your national 2m band plan may be quite different than here in the USA. But I would not use 144.076 else you hear from your local eme'rs. 73, Ed - KL7UW Subject: [Elecraft] OT - JT65 on 2m Message-ID: <008401d21279$bb463910$31d2ab30$@kh-translation.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Elecrafters, After having a lot of DX and fun with WSJT-X on HF using JT65 I was about to look for the possibilities of activating my 2m transverter in my K3. WSJT-X suggests 144.489 but on the internet there are a lot of other frequencies listed among others 144.076, 144.116, 144.160 and 144.120 MHz. Having just a 4-element horizontal Yagi I will rather ask for advice than spending a lot of time on empty frequencies. Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 20 03:37:30 2016 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:37:30 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] DSP/Audio upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: <525F2ACC-A05F-4A2F-9FFA-0AC27BE9D78C@gmail.com> References: <525F2ACC-A05F-4A2F-9FFA-0AC27BE9D78C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Grant It is the K3DSPUPGD board. It is buried away but only on the Spare Parts and Mod Kits page on the Elecraft website. I got one a few months ago when I upgraded my K3 with all the other new boards as well. 73 Barry Simpson VK2BJ On 20 September 2016 at 10:19, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Anyone ever heard a fact or rumor (or conspiracy theory related to > chemtrails) about what happened to the early advertised DSP board upgrade > for the K3 that included the new low distortion AF amp in the K3S?? > > It was announced as one of the upgrades that would be available for the > K3. Apparently still buried under the cone of silence ? but it would be > nice to have some definitive answer from Elecraft one way or the other. > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au From dk5ya at dk5ya.de Tue Sep 20 04:18:26 2016 From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:18:26 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - JT65 on 2m In-Reply-To: <008401d21279$bb463910$31d2ab30$@kh-translation.dk> References: <008401d21279$bb463910$31d2ab30$@kh-translation.dk> Message-ID: Kjeld, here's what you were looking for. http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php/spectrum-and-band-plans/vhf/2-meter 144.489 is a bad choice since this is the beacon allocation in Europe and region 1. Try 144.170 instead and find the DX guys at the ON4KST chat for skeds. http://www.on4kst.com/chat/start.php 73 Udo, DK5YA Am 19.09.2016 um 15:28 schrieb Kjeld Holm: > Dear Elecrafters, > After having a lot of DX and fun with WSJT-X on HF using JT65 I was about to > look for the possibilities of activating my 2m transverter in my K3. > WSJT-X suggests 144.489 but on the internet there are a lot of other > frequencies listed among others 144.076, 144.116, 144.160 and 144.120 MHz. > Having just a 4-element horizontal Yagi I will rather ask for advice than > spending a lot of time on empty frequencies. > Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dk5ya at dk5ya.de > -- ****************************************** Webs by DK5YA: * http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ [editor]* http://www.vhfdx.de/ [owner] * http://www.palekastro.de/ [owner] * http://www.solweb.de/ [owner] * http://www.spessartwetter.de/ [owner] * ****************************************** From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Sep 20 04:21:55 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 00:21:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Calibration from 10MHz Standard? Message-ID: <201609200822.u8K8LvfS021248@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I've used the XG3 as signal source for testing/aligning VHF to mw gear and do not worry about its accuracy/stability. Instead I use my EIP538 counter which is good to 26.5 GHz using either the internal TCXO or my Rb source into the counter reference port. At turn-on the XG3 drifts quite a bit but after 20-min or so is slow enough for aligning Rx front ends. I have some heated xtal signal sources that act the same way but operate at mw frequencies. Its a fine piece of test equipment for its size/cost and generates useful signals up to 1296-MHz. Above 200-MHz the output level is uncalibrated as you are using a harmonic of the output which will be lower level. So not real accurate for testing receiver MDS, still it can make a ballpark test of a receiver (is it good, mediocre, or bad). For HF thru 2m quite good for measurements. If you do not have a counter its harder to check its frequency. Good suggestions have already been made. EIP538 is one of the best $500 investments I've made. HP141T is another. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Sep 20 04:51:16 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 00:51:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Ground Loop Isolation XFRMR? Message-ID: <201609200851.u8K8pHlv001664@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I bought an ac line isolation transformer for my workbench at work some years ago. The building had a horrendous ac line noise and ground faults which mgmt was not willing to pay to correct, so this got the test equipment grounds isolated to avoid discharges into open ckts when using test probes or solder iron. Certainly not an ideal situation. You should not use this solution at home (dangerous). Fix your grounding system, instead. Re: antistatic pads: best to use one in doubt. But I would not connect anything to the green wire system. I have antistatic solder station so know its safe, and always work on unpowered ckts - disconnected equipment wiring from PS. That being said I have done considerable repair and assembly without a pad but using just a wrist strap. Sometimes not even that. I've gotten to know which devices one does not risk and those that appear more durable. But I keep the devices in their antistatic bags until they are installed. I touch my tools to chassis ground before picking the device up and immediately place the device into position for soldering - minimize handling, if possible. RF power devices "seem" more durable than small-signal devices (but they are more expensive). Always use antistatic pad/straps when installing preamp devices. I detest synthetic clothes so that is not an issue -cotton for me. Be careful of wool clothing. I'm also lucky because our climate is usually humid. Only in deep winter extreme cold will lower humidity to levels where you draw sparks from everything you touch - not a good time to build anything. But if you sit down use antistatic devices and not get up walking around during your sensitive work it should be OK. Best advice is to limit the duration of exposure for the device - beating the odds. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From f1gwr at free.fr Tue Sep 20 06:12:01 2016 From: f1gwr at free.fr (f1gwr) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 12:12:01 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s DSP headroom Message-ID: <69420D43-E278-4321-A114-F95E7D351786@free.fr> Question for the K3s DSP programmer(s): After reading the "audio" thread and trying to optimize my audio equalizer, my questions are: what is the headroom over the 0 dB equalizer? Or does the DSP has its own normalizer/AGC to avoid overload? Found a satisfactory setting, with maximum values being set to 0 dB in the voice band (300-3 k), and consequently have to turn the volume halfway in a calm room (audio preset= high). My concerns are: - not clipping the AF while overflowing the DSP, namely registers during calculations. - getting enough AF gain so to have sufficient audio power especially in noisy environments. Said in another way what is in practice the maximum safe gain settable in the equalizer? VY 73, Christian F1GWR in JN38SN K3s groupie From r.tristani at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 07:02:02 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 07:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s DSP headroom In-Reply-To: <69420D43-E278-4321-A114-F95E7D351786@free.fr> References: <69420D43-E278-4321-A114-F95E7D351786@free.fr> Message-ID: <78EAC847-05D1-4CEA-A79A-D2D439692016@gmail.com> Important question. Could the designer from Elecraft please answer? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:12 AM, f1gwr wrote: > > Question for the K3s DSP programmer(s): > > After reading the "audio" thread and trying to optimize my audio equalizer, my questions are: what is the headroom over the 0 dB equalizer? Or does the DSP has its own normalizer/AGC to avoid overload? > > Found a satisfactory setting, with maximum values being set to 0 dB in the voice band (300-3 k), and consequently have to turn the volume halfway in a calm room (audio preset= high). > > My concerns are: > - not clipping the AF while overflowing the DSP, namely registers during calculations. > - getting enough AF gain so to have sufficient audio power especially in noisy environments. > > Said in another way what is in practice the maximum safe gain settable in the equalizer? > > VY 73, > Christian F1GWR in JN38SN > K3s groupie > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com From alsopb at comcast.net Tue Sep 20 07:59:11 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:59:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s DSP headroom In-Reply-To: <78EAC847-05D1-4CEA-A79A-D2D439692016@gmail.com> References: <69420D43-E278-4321-A114-F95E7D351786@free.fr> <78EAC847-05D1-4CEA-A79A-D2D439692016@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57E1248F.5080008@comcast.net> I seem to recall this advice (from Elecraft?): Use the attenuation sides of the equalizers and not the gain side if at all possible. This begs the question. If gain is bad to use, then why is it (up to +16 db) included as a choice. Why not limit it to some small value? It would seem this area is ripe for some real measurements. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 9/20/2016 11:02 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > Important question. Could the designer from Elecraft please answer? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:12 AM, f1gwr wrote: >> >> Question for the K3s DSP programmer(s): >> >> After reading the "audio" thread and trying to optimize my audio equalizer, my questions are: what is the headroom over the 0 dB equalizer? Or does the DSP has its own normalizer/AGC to avoid overload? >> >> Found a satisfactory setting, with maximum values being set to 0 dB in the voice band (300-3 k), and consequently have to turn the volume halfway in a calm room (audio preset= high). >> >> My concerns are: >> - not clipping the AF while overflowing the DSP, namely registers during calculations. >> - getting enough AF gain so to have sufficient audio power especially in noisy environments. >> >> Said in another way what is in practice the maximum safe gain settable in the equalizer? >> >> VY 73, >> Christian F1GWR in JN38SN >> K3s groupie >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 08:41:28 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:41:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DSP/Audio upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: References: <525F2ACC-A05F-4A2F-9FFA-0AC27BE9D78C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B7E6D08-52A0-4320-B161-9B6388BD1C92@gmail.com> The K3DSPUPGD is the Rev D upgrade for earlier K3?s, which I?ve had for a long time (well, actually a Rev C with the LPF board). The upgrade I?m referring to is the the K3S DSP board (with updated audio amps for reduced IMD). When the K3S was announced, the indication was that this newer board would be made available to K3 owners as an upgrade. Grant > On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:37 AM, Barry Simpson wrote: > > Hi Grant > > It is the K3DSPUPGD board. It is buried away but only on the Spare Parts and Mod Kits page on the Elecraft website. I got one a few months ago when I upgraded my K3 with all the other new boards as well. > > > > On 20 September 2016 at 10:19, GRANT YOUNGMAN > wrote: > Anyone ever heard a fact or rumor (or conspiracy theory related to chemtrails) about what happened to the early advertised DSP board upgrade for the K3 that included the new low distortion AF amp in the K3S?? > > It was announced as one of the upgrades that would be available for the K3. Apparently still buried under the cone of silence ? but it would be nice to have some definitive answer from Elecraft one way or the other. > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > From k9yeq at live.com Tue Sep 20 08:41:56 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 07:41:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise when K-3 keyed In-Reply-To: <20160919023243.50EEB149B54B@mailman.qth.net> References: <18a5949d-9364-8214-49d4-8891f2c72eb5@foothill.net> <20160919023243.50EEB149B54B@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Monitors, Supplies, poorly constructed LED light supplies (built into bulbs) in my personal experience are great sources of noise. I find them easy to figure out using my P3 when the level is low and then one by one eliminated potential sources. An LED lit TV used as a monitor is one of the low level issues I have found. 73, K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Arck Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 9:13 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise when K-3 keyed I had the same problem - turned out to be noise from the computer (I was using the USB CODEC for audio in/out to the computer). Ken At 06:41 PM 9/18/2016, Fred Jensen wrote: >OK, this reply is to the list, lots of very smart and experienced folks there. > >Let's see what others come up with given that additional info. It >sounds to me like most if not all of the usual suspects are ruled out. > >73, > >Fred K6DGW >Sparks NV USA >Washoe County DM09dn > >On 9/18/2016 6:27 PM, Louis Ives wrote: >>Thanks for the reply. The noise is there in all modes and I am using >>Vox but the noise is there even when I key with foot ptt. I >>completely disconnected from the antenna system with same results. I >>tried with dummy load with same results. The noise almost sounds like >>what you would get with noise generator or other injected noise. >> >>>On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Fred Jensen >>>wrote: >>> >>>Hmmm ... first thought would be RF in undesirable places. >>> >>>1. How are you asserting PTT? Foot or other switch, or VOX? >>> >>>2. If it's not VOX, is it really as soon as you press the switch, or >>>does it start as soon as you talk [which can often be almost >>>simultaneous]? FWIW: I once had a colleague who couldn't master >>>"point and click." His mode was click and then point at what he >>>wanted. Push then Talk totally eluded him. :-) >>> >>>3. What happens in CW mode? >>> >>>The K3 makes no RF in TX test, a big clue. Give us a few more >>>tidbits of info, like your antenna situation, actions into a dummy >>>load if you have one, etc. I'm sure you'll get a lot of help here. >>> >>>73, >>> >>>Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >ken at arcomcontrollers.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From lists at subich.com Tue Sep 20 09:26:59 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:26:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s DSP headroom In-Reply-To: <57E1248F.5080008@comcast.net> References: <69420D43-E278-4321-A114-F95E7D351786@free.fr> <78EAC847-05D1-4CEA-A79A-D2D439692016@gmail.com> <57E1248F.5080008@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, brian wrote: > I seem to recall this advice (from Elecraft?): > Use the attenuation sides of the equalizers and not the gain side if > at all possible. Yes, this came from Lyle, KK7P who designed the DSP. > This begs the question. If gain is bad to use, then why is it (up to > +16 db) included as a choice. Why not limit it to some small value? His commend was not to use large values of boost across the passband. one band of significant boost should not be an issue unless it is in the middle of the passband. For example, I have experimented with some rather aggressive high frequency boost profiles (-16, -16, -6, 0, 0, 6, 10, 12) without apparent problem but aggressive mid-range boost (-16, -16, 0, 10, 10, 10, 13, 15, 16) results in obvious distortion. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, brian wrote: > I seem to recall this advice (from Elecraft?): > Use the attenuation sides of the equalizers and not the gain side if at > all possible. > > This begs the question. If gain is bad to use, then why is it (up to > +16 db) included as a choice. Why not limit it to some small value? > > It would seem this area is ripe for some real measurements. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 9/20/2016 11:02 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >> Important question. Could the designer from Elecraft please answer? >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:12 AM, f1gwr wrote: >>> >>> Question for the K3s DSP programmer(s): >>> >>> After reading the "audio" thread and trying to optimize my audio >>> equalizer, my questions are: what is the headroom over the 0 dB >>> equalizer? Or does the DSP has its own normalizer/AGC to avoid overload? >>> >>> Found a satisfactory setting, with maximum values being set to 0 dB >>> in the voice band (300-3 k), and consequently have to turn the volume >>> halfway in a calm room (audio preset= high). >>> >>> My concerns are: >>> - not clipping the AF while overflowing the DSP, namely registers >>> during calculations. >>> - getting enough AF gain so to have sufficient audio power especially >>> in noisy environments. >>> >>> Said in another way what is in practice the maximum safe gain >>> settable in the equalizer? >>> >>> VY 73, >>> Christian F1GWR in JN38SN >>> K3s groupie >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dave at nk7z.net Tue Sep 20 09:40:52 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 06:40:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob Sold Message-ID: <1474378852.13626.73.camel@nk7z.net> Hi, The Pig Knob has sold pending funds... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From w4sc at windstream.net Tue Sep 20 10:03:49 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DSP/Audio upgrade for K3 Message-ID: <319DD7866D8F4FDEA2DC1A437A34C8F6@z22z28> The upgrade DSP (K3DSPUPGD) is not the board being referenced. Here is link to the information as to status and boards offered for use in K3. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C9.pdf Ben W4SC From w0fm at swbell.net Tue Sep 20 10:37:37 2016 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:37:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> Message-ID: <002b01d2134c$890ba650$9b22f2f0$@swbell.net> Don wrote, I built a new home in 1996. After living there a few years I noticed an intermittent issue with an outlet on the first floor. Upon opening up the outlet box I discovered the green "safety ground" coiled up, disconnected in the back of the box. I fixed that. Then I used a receptacle tester to confirm the other outlets. All the outlets but three on the first floor had the disconnected green wire stuffed into the back of the box. I spent a weekend making them safe again. All outlets in the rest of the house were fine. Hearing my experience, most people say "man I hope you gave your builder a piece of your mind". I was unable to do that as he was in federal prison at the time... for fraud. Every dog has his day. Check your receptacles. Terry, W?FM -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:59 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads Hi all, While I can state that Ron's comment about the K2 is typically true, the static tolerance of thru-hole ICs and transistors is lower than it was back in 1998 or even 2006 (OK, I picked those years as a guess). Many DIP mounted devices are really SMD devices with DIP leads and can be as static sensitive as the devices in the K3 and KX3. Despite the "touch grounded metal" instruction in the K2 manual, I do see some repairs come in with failed firmware ICs, and rarely, but not zero, some 'normal' ICs on a new build. My best guess is that those parts were damaged due to a static charge. Whether the builder did not follow the "touch a metal ground" or not I cannot tell, all I know is that it failed. When possible, use an anti-static mat and wrist strap when handling ICs and transistors, especially during periods of low humidity. Do not work on carpet without them and do not wear nylon clothing - and don't shuffle your feet on the floor while working. The minimum should be a wrist strap connected to the green-wire ground in your house. You can use a banana plug in the round pin of an electrical receptacle, but before you trust it, get one of the receptacle testers and make sure that green wire ground is intact - some are not. From fred at fmeco.com Tue Sep 20 10:44:24 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:44:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: <002b01d2134c$890ba650$9b22f2f0$@swbell.net> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <002b01d2134c$890ba650$9b22f2f0$@swbell.net> Message-ID: The person who needs a piece of you mind is the Electrical Inspector who didn't do his job.... Fred On 9/20/16 10:37 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: > Don wrote, > > > > I built a new home in 1996. After living there a few years I noticed an intermittent issue with an outlet on the first floor. Upon opening up the outlet box I discovered the green "safety ground" coiled up, disconnected in the back of the box. I fixed that. Then I used a receptacle tester to confirm the other outlets. All the outlets but three on the first floor had the disconnected green wire stuffed into the back of the box. I spent a weekend making them safe again. All outlets in the rest of the house were fine. > Hearing my experience, most people say "man I hope you gave your builder a piece of your mind". I was unable to do that as he was in federal prison at the time... for fraud. Every dog has his day. > > Check your receptacles. > > Terry, W?FM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:59 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads > > Hi all, > > While I can state that Ron's comment about the K2 is typically true, the static tolerance of thru-hole ICs and transistors is lower than it was back in 1998 or even 2006 (OK, I picked those years as a guess). Many DIP mounted devices are really SMD devices with DIP leads and can be as static sensitive as the devices in the K3 and KX3. > Despite the "touch grounded metal" instruction in the K2 manual, I do see some repairs come in with failed firmware ICs, and rarely, but not zero, some 'normal' ICs on a new build. > My best guess is that those parts were damaged due to a static charge. > Whether the builder did not follow the "touch a metal ground" or not I cannot tell, all I know is that it failed. > > When possible, use an anti-static mat and wrist strap when handling ICs and transistors, especially during periods of low humidity. Do not work on carpet without them and do not wear nylon clothing - and don't shuffle your feet on the floor while working. > The minimum should be a wrist strap connected to the green-wire ground in your house. You can use a banana plug in the round pin of an electrical receptacle, but before you trust it, get one of the receptacle testers and make sure that green wire ground is intact - some are not. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From n1rx at comcast.net Tue Sep 20 10:54:40 2016 From: n1rx at comcast.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:54:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DSP/Audio upgrade for K3 Message-ID: <976B921CB09B42F0ABB3FF59A654679D@FamilyPC> The FAQ for the K3s indicated that these K3S DSP boards "May be available later in 2016..." for use as a retrofit to the K3. I think key word there being "may". I would expect that once production needs are fully met and excess becomes available they will be offered as an upgrade for the K3. I also expect it will be fairly expensive, as this is not just a simple update to the original K3 DSP board as the older upgrade was. 73, Bruce N1RX Grant wrote: "The K3DSPUPGD is the Rev D upgrade for earlier K3's, which I've had for a long time (well, actually a Rev C with the LPF board). The upgrade I'm referring to is the the K3S DSP board (with updated audio amps for reduced IMD). When the K3S was announced, the indication was that this newer board would be made available to K3 owners as an upgrade." From hotrod541 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 11:39:22 2016 From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (Louis Ives) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Ref: Noise on K3 When keyed Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied to my call for help on my problem with noise on transmit on my upgraded K-3. I found the problem to be the way my external speaker was connected. The new KI03B board didn't like the way I had it connected, I guess. I still do not understand why it did't work the way I had it but when checking the new manual for the K3s I saw the way to connect and problem gone. Thanks again! PSent from my iPad From jack at satterfield.org Tue Sep 20 11:42:27 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Max Pwr in StandBy Message-ID: <00a901d21355$97503650$c5f0a2f0$@org> I just read in the KPA500 manual not to exceed 100W in StandBy mode Woops.I sometimes run 150W to 200W digital when connecting to Winlink with KPA500 in StandBy I won't do it again will limit to 100W However, curious if anyone know why the limitation to 100 watts? Thanks, Jack W4GRJ From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 11:43:34 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:43:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: AC wiring, grounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My house ... built mid-60's ... had "modern" 3-wire receptacles throughout ... and was wired with single conductor "knob and tube" wiring. To add to the difficulty, the boxes were mounted halfway between the studs on 1 x 3 boards. Terrible rework required! No idea how it passed inspection for the loan! (;-) 73 K0PP From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Tue Sep 20 11:47:32 2016 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - am I locked into a specific microcode level Message-ID: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> I have not installed any of the K3S lookalike modules but was up to date with all the mods until then. I remember seeing that I could not load some level unless I had the new synth boards. I suspect I cannot load any more code updates after that. Does the code yet recognize where I am and load the latest code applicable to my level? Am I locked into a "latest level for my machine"? What is that level? Can I still get it if I am not totally up to date? Love my machine - I (me, myself, only me, etc.) have made over 10000 contacts in the last 5 years of W6P Special Event 9 days periods and I am not a contest person. This is my favorite event of all. I actually cannot get on my radio very often and not for very long but do everything I can to play with my K3 as W6P during Route 66 On-The-Air. 73, Jim KG0KP, K3 1442 since new From jackbrindle at me.com Tue Sep 20 12:10:21 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - am I locked into a specific microcode level In-Reply-To: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: This is not true. The K3/K3S firmware is designed to determine which modules are installed in your K3/K3S and use what it finds. There is no ?lock-in?, you can use the latest code in your K3 (as I and many others do). To put it another way, we did not obsolete the K3. It is great radio and continues to improve with each firmware release. Jack Brindle, W6FB > On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > I have not installed any of the K3S lookalike modules but was up to date > with all the mods until then. I remember seeing that I could not load some > level unless I had the new synth boards. I suspect I cannot load any more > code updates after that. > > > > Does the code yet recognize where I am and load the latest code applicable > to my level? > > > > Am I locked into a "latest level for my machine"? > > > > What is that level? > > > > Can I still get it if I am not totally up to date? > > > > Love my machine - I (me, myself, only me, etc.) have made over 10000 > contacts in the last 5 years of W6P Special Event 9 days periods and I am > not a contest person. This is my favorite event of all. I actually cannot > get on my radio very often and not for very long but do everything I can to > play with my K3 as W6P during Route 66 On-The-Air. > > > > 73, Jim KG0KP, K3 1442 since new > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From alan at elecraft.com Tue Sep 20 12:24:20 2016 From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:24:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: AC wiring, grounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <931e9c1b-36b2-f100-82fe-8c6dcd5a51a1@elecraft.com> I recently have been having extensive electrical renovation done on my early 60s era house. We found wires spliced in the middle of a wall (3 different places), wrong wire sizes, a dead bat in the main meter panel, and my favorite: a 220V circuit with each phase on a separate single breaker, which weren't even the same amperage! :=) Alan N1AL On 09/20/2016 08:43 AM, Ken G Kopp kengkopp at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > > My house ... built mid-60's ... had "modern" 3-wire receptacles > throughout ... and was wired with single conductor "knob and tube" > wiring. To add to the difficulty, the boxes were mounted halfway > between the studs on 1 x 3 boards. Terrible rework required! > > No idea how it passed inspection for the loan! (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Sep 20 12:40:58 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:40:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s DSP headroom In-Reply-To: References: <69420D43-E278-4321-A114-F95E7D351786@free.fr> <78EAC847-05D1-4CEA-A79A-D2D439692016@gmail.com> <57E1248F.5080008@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7856f310-3f6f-1846-d8c5-b2da2c079ea5@audiosystemsgroup.com> This is very good advice. My TXEQ settings are similar -- I'm using more low cut and about half as much HF boost. My friend Fred, K6DGW, has severe hearing loss, probably a result of his military service. Knowing my experience in pro audio, he asked my advice for his K3. I recommended RXEQ settings with extreme low cut below about 800 Hz and extreme boost above that frequency. He says it works well for him. His hearing loss is so severe that he probably would not hear distortion if it were present. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,9/20/2016 6:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, brian wrote: > > I seem to recall this advice (from Elecraft?): >> Use the attenuation sides of the equalizers and not the gain side if >> at all possible. > > Yes, this came from Lyle, KK7P who designed the DSP. > > > This begs the question. If gain is bad to use, then why is it (up to > > +16 db) included as a choice. Why not limit it to some small value? > > His commend was not to use large values of boost across the passband. > one band of significant boost should not be an issue unless it is in > the middle of the passband. For example, I have experimented with > some rather aggressive high frequency boost profiles (-16, -16, -6, > 0, 0, 6, 10, 12) without apparent problem but aggressive mid-range > boost (-16, -16, 0, 10, 10, 10, 13, 15, 16) results in obvious > distortion. From phystad at mac.com Tue Sep 20 12:48:10 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:48:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 Message-ID: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> I use my KX3 primarily for operating portable at various locations, usually outside but not always. Sometimes, I do have grid supplied power, most other times I do not. Usually I operate using two LiFePo batteries which usually gives me all the QRP power I need for a few hours. But, I am considering QRO which to me means 100 watts and therefore I am thinking of buying a KXPA100. But, where to plug in when there is no outlet. I could get more beefy LiFePo batteries but I am also considering a small portable generator. I could use power from my pickup truck and I have done that before but I am not always within power cord length from the truck. So, I am thinking of a generator. Ideally I would like one that is RFI quiet and I have no idea if they exist as I have never operated off of a generator. Something small (1 KW) and highly portable. Therefore: can someone who has used such generators give a recommendation and also comment on whether RFI is a problem or not with these portable generators. For example, Honda makes a 1600 watt model that looks reasonable (EU2000i). Thanks. 73, phil, K7PEH From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Sep 20 13:32:20 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:32:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: AC wiring, grounds In-Reply-To: <931e9c1b-36b2-f100-82fe-8c6dcd5a51a1@elecraft.com> References: <931e9c1b-36b2-f100-82fe-8c6dcd5a51a1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9206f5a0-7580-b7aa-5579-1e7ace369693@foothill.net> Perils of an old house. Ours in Auburn CA was started in the mid-20's, added onto by everyone who lived there, including us ... twice. With sheetrock gone, we found the reason why doors wouldn't close and windows were stuck--headers over them were spliced in the middle. Barn out next to the pasture had 120V outlets with exposed wiring. Feed from house was 2 aerial wires, 240V between them. Finally figured out that the neutral was "ground," as in dirt. The two "phase" conductors were spliced into separate 120V breakers in the service entrance. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/20/2016 9:24 AM, Alan wrote: > I recently have been having extensive electrical renovation done on my > early 60s era house. We found wires spliced in the middle of a wall (3 > different places), wrong wire sizes, a dead bat in the main meter panel, > and my favorite: a 220V circuit with each phase on a separate single > breaker, which weren't even the same amperage! :=) > > Alan N1AL > > > On 09/20/2016 08:43 AM, Ken G Kopp kengkopp at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> >> My house ... built mid-60's ... had "modern" 3-wire receptacles >> throughout ... and was wired with single conductor "knob and tube" >> wiring. To add to the difficulty, the boxes were mounted halfway >> between the studs on 1 x 3 boards. Terrible rework required! From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Sep 20 13:41:03 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:41:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: Simplest way I know: Conductivity = 1 / Resistance. All you need is a slide rule. :-) But seriously, Alan's method ... charge a capacitor to a known voltage, discharge it through the mat to a lower voltage measuring how long it takes, and use the RC time constant to calculate the resistance ... is about the simplest and maybe the most ingenious. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/19/2016 8:32 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I stand corrected. I didn't realize the resistance was that great. > > I need to think of a simple way to determine conductivity rather than > measuring the resistance. > > Thanks for the answers. > > Dick, n0ce From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Sep 20 14:31:49 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:31:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - am I locked into a specific microcode level In-Reply-To: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <0BD1C2F7-5BBE-432E-8A21-6E9A76F28E5B@widomaker.com> Everything is backwards compatible. Features you don't have just won't work. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > I have not installed any of the K3S lookalike modules but was up to date > with all the mods until then. I remember seeing that I could not load some > level unless I had the new synth boards. I suspect I cannot load any more > code updates after that. > > > > Does the code yet recognize where I am and load the latest code applicable > to my level? > > > > Am I locked into a "latest level for my machine"? > > > > What is that level? > > > > Can I still get it if I am not totally up to date? > > > > Love my machine - I (me, myself, only me, etc.) have made over 10000 > contacts in the last 5 years of W6P Special Event 9 days periods and I am > not a contest person. This is my favorite event of all. I actually cannot > get on my radio very often and not for very long but do everything I can to > play with my K3 as W6P during Route 66 On-The-Air. > > > > 73, Jim KG0KP, K3 1442 since new > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Sep 20 14:35:06 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:35:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> References: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> Message-ID: <7A091CCB-7C33-415E-8BB9-5FB1DE054917@widomaker.com> It runs on 13.8 volts. Any portable supply will work if it supports a standard 100 watt transceiver like a K3 or TS 480. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > I use my KX3 primarily for operating portable at various locations, usually outside but not always. Sometimes, I do have grid supplied power, most other times I do not. Usually I operate using two LiFePo batteries which usually gives me all the QRP power I need for a few hours. > > But, I am considering QRO which to me means 100 watts and therefore I am thinking of buying a KXPA100. But, where to plug in when there is no outlet. > > I could get more beefy LiFePo batteries but I am also considering a small portable generator. I could use power from my pickup truck and I have done that before but I am not always within power cord length from the truck. So, I am thinking of a generator. > > Ideally I would like one that is RFI quiet and I have no idea if they exist as I have never operated off of a generator. Something small (1 KW) and highly portable. > > Therefore: can someone who has used such generators give a recommendation and also comment on whether RFI is a problem or not with these portable generators. For example, Honda makes a 1600 watt model that looks reasonable (EU2000i). > > Thanks. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 14:35:27 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:35:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K2 In-Reply-To: <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: I had recently stopped monitoring the reflector as I only have a K1 and two K2's. Everything is K3 and subject lines rarely reflect that anymore so it's hard to filter them. But I had a K2 problem and rejoined. Got a response with solution within an hour! And discovered that I miss the OT discussions from a unique bunch of experts. Most of the OTs are interesting and more relevant to a non-KX/K3 owner. So I'm back to monitoring only OTs. hi. The new products don't fill any need in my hamming that isn't satisfied by the K2, but the ongoing development of the state of ham art at Elecraft is extraordinary to see. Eric KE6US On 9/19/2016 8:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still > monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, > testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 14:45:17 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:45:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The killer for that wide roofer approach is that loud enough stations can pump the hardware AGC before the signal gets to the DSP. The "full body" (whatever that means) CW technique will NOT work in a DX test I've been in (Will knows where) with that 45 over S9 Italian station running 15 kW and a 4 element beam on 40m pointed at the US when the band is wide open, and who has parked 400 Hz above or below me, AND I am trying to copy an S0 (if even that strong) basement noodle antenna QRP station. I want the skirts of the roofing filter and the DSP to COINCIDE and when I hit the edge of the 450 or 350 Hz, I want the skirts do a VERY sharp dive to oblivion. This gives me a 450 kHz running bandwidth and a 350 running bandwidth, which I can shift in 10 Hz steps, dropping a signal on the edge about 10 dB per 10 Hz step. This way I get the same excellent selectivity with a K3 that I had with my MP with cascaded INRAD filters in the 8 and 455 IF's. K3 is not superior to the MP in selectivity or audio quality, but the K3 front end and low noise opened up a new layer on 40 meters, going down past the DL and OK basement noodle QRP stations and exposing the RUSSIAN basement noodle QRP stations. We thought that was band crap listening to the MP, but turned out to be RX IMD, RX noise crap generated by the MP. Finally exposed by not being there in the K3. If my skirts do NOT dive maximally, then the 15 kW Italian is going to pump the K3's hardware AGC and make copy of my basement noodle QRP stations impossible. I do know those (so far all in the western US) who insist that the DSP selectivity is all they need. They might be right, out where they are. Idaho is not exactly the land of monster signals. If one really wants to do "full body CW" out there, a 700 Hz roofer would be a better choice to be in front of the DSP. Do you really want your AGC pumped by the next two or three stations above and below your frequency? I've spent my time with radios with too-wide high IF selectivity. NEVER AGAIN. Besides, having the steep diving combined selectivity converts key clicks to spikes, which the K3 NB and AGC circuits handle splendidly, allowing key click elimination, another K3 advantage trying to keep a run frequency 400 Hz from a 45 over S9 15 kW Italian station. You think I'm kidding about 15 kW and 4 elements on 40m? Think again. Not kidding about 45 over 9 on a calibrated K3 S meter either. Though we *were* listening on a five element wide spaced (190 feet end to end) 40m quad. 73, Guy K2AV On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 PM, WILLIE BABER wrote: > Hello All, > > I did M/M with a big station in the NW running Icom 7700. Needless to say > comparison between K3 (one was on site) versus Icom radios came into > discussion during rest periods. Yes, the Icom 7700 played quite well, > giving what some called "full-body" cw and easy to pick-out-stations while > running them. > > I like all radios...well almost all of them. Having said that, you can > easily get "full-body" cw and better running of station if you simulate the > front-end of the Icom radio using K3. To do this, set the first I-F filter > to ssb bandwidth (2.7khz) and then use the DSP to deliver 500 hz passband. > You will hear stations that are within the 2.7khz window but not quite on > your frequency (similar to 7700) while running stations, and without having > to fool so often with RIT. > > Once you go to 400 hz in the first I-F of K3 you are in serious high > dynamic range territory...better have a k-pod on RIT and forget about > "full-body" cw, which requires a wider first I-F. Of course when you need > a narrow first I-F you can have several of them in K3. > > My two cents. > > 73, Will, wj9b > > CWops #1085 > CWA Advisor levels II and III > http://cwops.org/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From dpbunte at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 14:53:19 2016 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:53:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> References: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> Message-ID: Phil - N9FN and I have operated portable in various state QSO parties using his Honda EU2000 with no RF noise we could detect. We often used his KPA500 and that generator handled it quite well. The Honda 1KW unit is lighter and would certainly handle the gear you are talking about. I have heard reports that "some" folks experienced RFI with that unit, and even some with the EU2000 but I believe any such problems can probably be mitigated by physical separation and chokes. We are usually about 20 feet from the generator and cannot hear it running from that distance. Best of luck. Dave - K9FN On Sep 20, 2016 12:50 PM, "Phil Hystad" wrote: > I use my KX3 primarily for operating portable at various locations, > usually outside but not always. Sometimes, I do have grid supplied power, > most other times I do not. Usually I operate using two LiFePo batteries > which usually gives me all the QRP power I need for a few hours. > > But, I am considering QRO which to me means 100 watts and therefore I am > thinking of buying a KXPA100. But, where to plug in when there is no > outlet. > > I could get more beefy LiFePo batteries but I am also considering a small > portable generator. I could use power from my pickup truck and I have done > that before but I am not always within power cord length from the truck. > So, I am thinking of a generator. > > Ideally I would like one that is RFI quiet and I have no idea if they > exist as I have never operated off of a generator. Something small (1 KW) > and highly portable. > > Therefore: can someone who has used such generators give a recommendation > and also comment on whether RFI is a problem or not with these portable > generators. For example, Honda makes a 1600 watt model that looks > reasonable (EU2000i). > > Thanks. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Sep 20 15:39:07 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 12:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> Message-ID: If you are in a very quiet location with antennas close to the Honda and haven't brought other noise sources to pollute your environment, you WILL want a serious common mode choke on the AC line. We use Honda 2000i with K3/KPA500 for our county expedition to a rare county for CQP (California QSO Party). Noise sources include computers, monitors, wall warts, battery chargers, portable refrigerators, etc. We use no SMPS wall warts, and choke everything. The length of AC cable between the Honda and the choke should be as short as possible. To get more turns through the choke, make a short jumper with the thinnest practical cable and use it to wind the choke. #14 indoor wiring cable or #14 appliance cable are a good choice. Wind the choke before installing the second connector. Follow the guidelines in Chapter 7 of k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf for coax the size as the power cable you're using. Use larger diameter and close spaced turns to move the resonance lower. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,9/20/2016 11:53 AM, David Bunte wrote: > N9FN and I have operated portable in various state QSO parties using his > Honda EU2000 with no RF noise we could detect. We often used his KPA500 and > that generator handled it quite well. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Sep 20 15:51:31 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:51:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: AC wiring, grounds Message-ID: <201609201951.u8KJpWlB025620@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> My previous house was a homestead house built in 1955. It had three different foundations, a nearly flat roof, and the back half of the house wired with two conductor wiring (no U ground outlets). I bought it in 1996 and FHA gave me a waver on the wiring and also a non-standard indoor door opening. I did got thru the house to clear ground faults and found one dead outlet with wires burned away. I trimmed/taped them and place a blank cover on that outlet. Bathroom had no ground-fault outlets (another code violation) which I disabled to get wiring to pass inspection. We sold it and moved in 2006. Its because of these potential (no pun) errors in wiring that I do not recommend connecting your antistatic devices to the green safety ckt of the house wiring. Absolute ground is not necessary; only that there is not voltage potential between components being installed. Why I also suggest unhooking dc power leads to any PS during sensitive component work. If you start checking outlets you may be in for surprise how few are correctly installed. A simple plug in the outlet ckt tester will show ground faults (from Lowes or Home Depot for $12). Best purchase for determining if outlets are hot. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Sep 20 16:13:10 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 13:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: AC wiring, grounds In-Reply-To: <931e9c1b-36b2-f100-82fe-8c6dcd5a51a1@elecraft.com> References: <931e9c1b-36b2-f100-82fe-8c6dcd5a51a1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <843ed37c-6927-ac7a-216c-3285f085e75e@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,9/20/2016 9:24 AM, Alan wrote: > I recently have been having extensive electrical renovation done on my > early 60s era house. We found wires spliced in the middle of a wall > (3 different places), wrong wire sizes, a dead bat in the main meter > panel, and my favorite: a 220V circuit with each phase on a separate > single breaker, which weren't even the same amperage! :=) On Tue,9/20/2016 12:51 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > My previous house was a homestead house built in 1955. The house I owned in Chicago was built before 1900 (after the great Chicago fire). It was a "2-flat" with an undeveloped attic. When I bought it, it had knob and tube wiring, and pipe for gas lights, some of which was still active (connected to gas lines). Other gas lines were used to carry wiring to overhead lighting. I hired electricians to bring the wiring up to code, installing a lot of EMT (steel thin-wall conduit), with separate conduit systems for power and low voltage wiring. The house I bought in W6 had multiple wiring errors, some quite serious. I found only one bad outlet, but grounding for the main electrical service was a nightmare. "Ground" for the service entrance was a #14 wire running 40-50 ft to a hose outlet, which was connected by PVC pipe to the water system. In other words, no ground at all. There's a detached garage with a "mother-in-law" apartment that is fed from the house. 240VAC with neutral and ground were carried to a panel in that building. A #14 bare copper ran up from the panel to the attic, across the building, then down to a ground rod, with the cable zig-zagging down the wall to tuck closely into a window frame and seams in the siding. I'd guess this wire was at least 60 ft long. That was the only ground. In that second building, 240V was fed to a well and to appliances; 120V convenience outlets were wired between one leg of 240 (good) and ground (BAD!). BTW -- NONE of these problems were noted by the "inspector" we hired before buying the house. It's worth studying my power and grounding tutorials, then carefully poking around your home. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Sep 20 17:00:06 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:00:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] I'll ask again Message-ID: Could we please have VOX settings remembered by mode? From matt at nq6n.com Tue Sep 20 17:08:34 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:08:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting! Can anyone explain why zero beat CW would sound more "full bodied" with a 2.7 KHz IF than with, say, a 400 Hz IF bandwidth? It would seem that the CW signal was typically narrower than either one, so there would not be any information lost on a zero beat signal. Is there some sort of audio harmonic that exists only when the IF bandwidth is sufficiently wide? Or could the wider bandwidth effectively change the perceived audio impact of AGC (depending on band noise)? Is there a measurement of the distortion introduced by an IF filter across both the signal *and* the noise? I think noise sounds better (smoother?) with a wider IF filter bandwidth. Of course, the purpose of the narrower filter is to reduce IMD from nearby signals, not to make noise sound pleasant. I'm curious if anyone has thoughts or insights about any of the above... 73, Matt NQ6N On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > The killer for that wide roofer approach is that loud enough stations can > pump the hardware AGC before the signal gets to the DSP. > > The "full body" (whatever that means) CW technique will NOT work in a DX > test I've been in (Will knows where) with that 45 over S9 Italian station > running 15 kW and a 4 element beam on 40m pointed at the US when the band > is wide open, and who has parked 400 Hz above or below me, AND I am trying > to copy an S0 (if even that strong) basement noodle antenna QRP station. > > I want the skirts of the roofing filter and the DSP to COINCIDE and when I > hit the edge of the 450 or 350 Hz, I want the skirts do a VERY sharp dive > to oblivion. This gives me a 450 kHz running bandwidth and a 350 running > bandwidth, which I can shift in 10 Hz steps, dropping a signal on the edge > about 10 dB per 10 Hz step. > > This way I get the same excellent selectivity with a K3 that I had with my > MP with cascaded INRAD filters in the 8 and 455 IF's. K3 is not superior to > the MP in selectivity or audio quality, but the K3 front end and low noise > opened up a new layer on 40 meters, going down past the DL and OK basement > noodle QRP stations and exposing the RUSSIAN basement noodle QRP stations. > > We thought that was band crap listening to the MP, but turned out to be RX > IMD, RX noise crap generated by the MP. Finally exposed by not being there > in the K3. > > If my skirts do NOT dive maximally, then the 15 kW Italian is going to pump > the K3's hardware AGC and make copy of my basement noodle QRP stations > impossible. > > I do know those (so far all in the western US) who insist that the DSP > selectivity is all they need. They might be right, out where they are. > > Idaho is not exactly the land of monster signals. If one really wants to do > "full body CW" out there, a 700 Hz roofer would be a better choice to be in > front of the DSP. Do you really want your AGC pumped by the next two or > three stations above and below your frequency? > > I've spent my time with radios with too-wide high IF selectivity. NEVER > AGAIN. > > Besides, having the steep diving combined selectivity converts key clicks > to spikes, which the K3 NB and AGC circuits handle splendidly, allowing key > click elimination, another K3 advantage trying to keep a run frequency 400 > Hz from a 45 over S9 15 kW Italian station. > > You think I'm kidding about 15 kW and 4 elements on 40m? Think again. Not > kidding about 45 over 9 on a calibrated K3 S meter either. Though we *were* > listening on a five element wide spaced (190 feet end to end) 40m quad. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 PM, WILLIE BABER > wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > I did M/M with a big station in the NW running Icom 7700. Needless to > say > > comparison between K3 (one was on site) versus Icom radios came into > > discussion during rest periods. Yes, the Icom 7700 played quite well, > > giving what some called "full-body" cw and easy to pick-out-stations > while > > running them. > > > > I like all radios...well almost all of them. Having said that, you can > > easily get "full-body" cw and better running of station if you simulate > the > > front-end of the Icom radio using K3. To do this, set the first I-F > filter > > to ssb bandwidth (2.7khz) and then use the DSP to deliver 500 hz > passband. > > You will hear stations that are within the 2.7khz window but not quite on > > your frequency (similar to 7700) while running stations, and without > having > > to fool so often with RIT. > > > > Once you go to 400 hz in the first I-F of K3 you are in serious high > > dynamic range territory...better have a k-pod on RIT and forget about > > "full-body" cw, which requires a wider first I-F. Of course when you > need > > a narrow first I-F you can have several of them in K3. > > > > My two cents. > > > > 73, Will, wj9b > > > > CWops #1085 > > CWA Advisor levels II and III > > http://cwops.org/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Sep 20 17:09:08 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:09:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Anti-static Pads In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: G=1/R as I remember it. Yes, I wanted to reply to Alan's method, but I have been away. I wanted to re-read it to see if he allowed time to determine if a cap was leaky first. It was a clever idea. I have two Simpson's so I should be able to duplicate the test, if I can round up exposed metal pans. I bought my anti-static mat online. I'm at a loss concerning specs. I file everything, but after doing so for more than 50 years, things aren't found quickly. I don't remember receiving specs, either. Static discharge is an on-going concern for me. I humidify in the winter, and try to stay around 40%. I keep a grounded wrist-band around a tin breath mint container on the table beside my recliner for watching TV. When I stand up, I touch the tin to discharge myself. Otherwise, I zap my video equipment. Humidifying helps, but it's no guarantee. At my workbench, I have a four outlet metal box that is grounded so that I can touch it regularly to bleed off any static build-up. I can be 'sure' that it is grounded, but I have to 'trust' that my wrist strap and anti-static mat are. Maybe I'm a 'belt and suspenders' type of guy. Dick, n0ce On 9/20/2016 12:41 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Simplest way I know: Conductivity = 1 / Resistance. All you need is a > slide rule. :-) But seriously, > > Alan's method ... charge a capacitor to a known voltage, discharge it > through the mat to a lower voltage measuring how long it takes, and > use the RC time constant to calculate the resistance ... is about the > simplest and maybe the most ingenious. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Sparks NV DM09dn From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Sep 20 17:18:18 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:18:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For one thing, you would hear more clicks with the broader filter. You would, of course, also hear MORE signals. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,9/20/2016 2:08 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > Can anyone explain why zero beat CW would sound more "full bodied" with a > 2.7 KHz IF than with, say, a 400 Hz IF bandwidth? From hms4 at lehigh.edu Tue Sep 20 17:25:13 2016 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:25:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port issue Message-ID: I have delayed posting this as I was hoping that I would see the same issue posted by another user. I am running a K3s and the issue is with the USB com port. First, the com port assignment is com 27 which seems strange for my simple PC set up. I have tried to go into the Windows control panel and change it to a lower # available port, but it will not take, but this is not the issue. My problem is that the com port will sometimes be recognized by the K3 utility or other programs as either 9600 or 38400 baud on a totally random basis. If I connect at 9600 the K3s will after a while change its port rate to 38400 and I have to close the program that I am using and re start it at 38400. This will work fine for a while until the K3s then resets it baud rate again to 9600 and I have to re start the program that I am using. Using programs like WSJT-X which now has rig control is very frustrating and I usually just turn off the rig control and use the com 27 only for ptt control. I have even had issues while using WSJT-X and the rig control, that will change the K3s com port to a new baud rate between Rx & Tx transitions. Are there any suggestions out there? I only have a PC in the shack and can?t try another PC. Is this a K3 issue of something with my PC? Thanks, Howard AE3T From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 18:00:47 2016 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:00:47 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is the degeneration of Amateur radio, yes really, it's true. These signals from Eu are invariably the dirtiest worst you will ever hear on the bands, spewing crap all over the band. Below... "The "full body" (whatever that means) CW technique will NOT work in a DX test I've been in (Will knows where) with that 45 over S9 Italian station running 15 kW and a 4 element beam on 40m pointed at the US when the band is wide open, and who has parked 400 Hz above or below me, AND I am trying to copy an S0 (if even that strong) basement noodle antenna QRP station." 73 F5VJC On 20 September 2016 at 20:45, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > The killer for that wide roofer approach is that loud enough stations can > pump the hardware AGC before the signal gets to the DSP. > > The "full body" (whatever that means) CW technique will NOT work in a DX > test I've been in (Will knows where) with that 45 over S9 Italian station > running 15 kW and a 4 element beam on 40m pointed at the US when the band > is wide open, and who has parked 400 Hz above or below me, AND I am trying > to copy an S0 (if even that strong) basement noodle antenna QRP station. > > I want the skirts of the roofing filter and the DSP to COINCIDE and when I > hit the edge of the 450 or 350 Hz, I want the skirts do a VERY sharp dive > to oblivion. This gives me a 450 kHz running bandwidth and a 350 running > bandwidth, which I can shift in 10 Hz steps, dropping a signal on the edge > about 10 dB per 10 Hz step. > > This way I get the same excellent selectivity with a K3 that I had with my > MP with cascaded INRAD filters in the 8 and 455 IF's. K3 is not superior to > the MP in selectivity or audio quality, but the K3 front end and low noise > opened up a new layer on 40 meters, going down past the DL and OK basement > noodle QRP stations and exposing the RUSSIAN basement noodle QRP stations. > > We thought that was band crap listening to the MP, but turned out to be RX > IMD, RX noise crap generated by the MP. Finally exposed by not being there > in the K3. > > If my skirts do NOT dive maximally, then the 15 kW Italian is going to pump > the K3's hardware AGC and make copy of my basement noodle QRP stations > impossible. > > I do know those (so far all in the western US) who insist that the DSP > selectivity is all they need. They might be right, out where they are. > > Idaho is not exactly the land of monster signals. If one really wants to do > "full body CW" out there, a 700 Hz roofer would be a better choice to be in > front of the DSP. Do you really want your AGC pumped by the next two or > three stations above and below your frequency? > > I've spent my time with radios with too-wide high IF selectivity. NEVER > AGAIN. > > Besides, having the steep diving combined selectivity converts key clicks > to spikes, which the K3 NB and AGC circuits handle splendidly, allowing key > click elimination, another K3 advantage trying to keep a run frequency 400 > Hz from a 45 over S9 15 kW Italian station. > > You think I'm kidding about 15 kW and 4 elements on 40m? Think again. Not > kidding about 45 over 9 on a calibrated K3 S meter either. Though we *were* > listening on a five element wide spaced (190 feet end to end) 40m quad. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 PM, WILLIE BABER > wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > I did M/M with a big station in the NW running Icom 7700. Needless to > say > > comparison between K3 (one was on site) versus Icom radios came into > > discussion during rest periods. Yes, the Icom 7700 played quite well, > > giving what some called "full-body" cw and easy to pick-out-stations > while > > running them. > > > > I like all radios...well almost all of them. Having said that, you can > > easily get "full-body" cw and better running of station if you simulate > the > > front-end of the Icom radio using K3. To do this, set the first I-F > filter > > to ssb bandwidth (2.7khz) and then use the DSP to deliver 500 hz > passband. > > You will hear stations that are within the 2.7khz window but not quite on > > your frequency (similar to 7700) while running stations, and without > having > > to fool so often with RIT. > > > > Once you go to 400 hz in the first I-F of K3 you are in serious high > > dynamic range territory...better have a k-pod on RIT and forget about > > "full-body" cw, which requires a wider first I-F. Of course when you > need > > a narrow first I-F you can have several of them in K3. > > > > My two cents. > > > > 73, Will, wj9b > > > > CWops #1085 > > CWA Advisor levels II and III > > http://cwops.org/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Sep 20 18:04:30 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:04:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port issue Message-ID: HiWhy not set the baud rate in the k3s to 38300 ?and be done with it?It's a menu option under rs232.Just set it and your software to 38400 and you will never worry about ut again.73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Howard Sherer Date: 2016-09-20 5:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port issue I have delayed posting this as I was hoping that I would see the same issue posted by another user. I am running a K3s and the issue is with the USB com port. First, the com port assignment is com 27 which seems strange for my simple PC set up. I have tried to go into the Windows control panel and change it to a lower # available port, but it will not take, but this is not the issue. My problem is that the com port will sometimes be recognized by the K3 utility or other programs as either 9600 or 38400 baud on a totally random basis. If I connect at 9600 the K3s will after a while change its port rate to 38400 and I have to close the program that I am using and re start it at 38400. This will work fine for a while until the K3s then resets it baud rate again to 9600 and I have to re start the program that I am using. Using programs like WSJT-X which now has rig control is very frustrating and I usually just turn off the rig control and use the com 27 only for ptt control. I have even had issues while using WSJT-X and the rig control, that will change the K3s com port to a new baud rate between Rx & Tx transitions. Are there any suggestions out there? I only have a PC in the shack and can?t try another PC. Is this a K3 issue of something with my PC? Thanks, Howard AE3T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 20 19:14:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <111f2185-8c43-72f8-0dbd-6edcf6a1420c@embarqmail.com> Howard, How is the K3S RS-232 menu parameter configured. If you are using the internal USB port in the K3S, it should be set to "USB" If you are using an external USB to serial adapter, set the parameter to 38400. The COM port that is assigned by your PC should be the one you need to use. A side-note - if you always plug to the same computer USB port, that COM port number should stay the same, but if you plug into a different USB port, the COM number will likely change. Such is the state of things with the computer OS and we have to live with it. For the PTT, the same COM port can be used for both rig control and PTT. Set the K2 CONFIG menu PTT-KEY parameter to agree with your application - PTT will be driven with either RTS or DTR - the application and the K3 must agree on which one is used. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/20/2016 5:25 PM, Howard Sherer wrote: > I am running a K3s and the issue is with the USB com port. First, the com > port assignment is com 27 which seems strange for my simple PC set up. I > have tried to go into the Windows control panel and change it to a lower # > available port, but it will not take, but this is not the issue. > > > > My problem is that the com port will sometimes be recognized by the K3 > utility or other programs as either 9600 or 38400 baud on a totally random > basis. If I connect at 9600 the K3s will after a while change its port rate > to 38400 and I have to close the program that I am using and re start it at > 38400. This will work fine for a while until the K3s then resets it baud > rate again to 9600 and I have to re start the program that I am using. > > > > Using programs like WSJT-X which now has rig control is very frustrating > and I usually just turn off the rig control and use the com 27 only for ptt > control. I have even had issues while using WSJT-X and the rig control, > that will change the K3s com port to a new baud rate between Rx & Tx > transitions. > From k9yeq at live.com Tue Sep 20 19:21:22 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:21:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] For sale K3-100 factory built and updated mods with ATU Message-ID: I want to purchase a K3s and will have filters moved along with other add-ons. This lightly used K3 will include the tuner and mods added to the original unit. I have the documentation and we can work with the factory to help you decide if you would like to add additional updates at your own expense. You can have the factory add your equipment which save you money as I will be paying to remove what I wish to keep, like second receiver and my filters, recorder and two meter module. I will also included the 6 meter preamp. I will have the factory do the work and thoroughly check the K3 before selling and will pay for shipping from the factory once complete. You can add more equipment and add-ons at your expense. If interested, I will send you a list of what has been done and what will be done to make your purchase a super great one. Please contact me off reflector for more details. The benefit: you get a factory built and updated basic K3 which is a fabulous radio. Scanned copies of orginial equipment and later factory updates will be provided on request. Bill K9YEQ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 20 19:34:07 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:34:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K2 In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: Eric, I do repairs, alignment and calibration and upgrades of the Elecraft legacy gear (K2, K1, KX1 and XV series transverters), and I am as busy as I want to be (sometimes more than I want to be). So there is still a lot of interest in that gear, but you are right, most of the posts are about the K3, KX3 and KX2. Non-the-less, there are frequent posts about the legacy gear. Many of the older posts about "how to do ..." are no longer seen, but those questions do pop up occasionally. Many of the K2, K1 and KX1 posts come from folks who have purchased a used transceiver. In many cases, they did not get all the associated pieces (counter probe for the K2, connecting cables for the KAT100, power cables, etc.) so those new owners need assistance, and they do often post to the reflector. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/20/2016 2:35 PM, Eric J wrote: > I had recently stopped monitoring the reflector as I only have a K1 and > two K2's. Everything is K3 and subject lines rarely reflect that anymore > so it's hard to filter them. But I had a K2 problem and rejoined. Got a > response with solution within an hour! And discovered that I miss the OT > discussions from a unique bunch of experts. Most of the OTs are > interesting and more relevant to a non-KX/K3 owner. So I'm back to > monitoring only OTs. hi. > > The new products don't fill any need in my hamming that isn't satisfied > by the K2, but the ongoing development of the state of ham art at > Elecraft is extraordinary to see. > > Eric KE6US > > On 9/19/2016 8:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still >> monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, >> testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 20 19:52:26 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - am I locked into a specific microcode level In-Reply-To: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: Jim, Go ahead and update your K3 with the latest level firmware! K3 Utility has the capability to interrogate your K3 and determine which modules are to be loaded. Yes, there are K3S unique firmware modules, but K3 Utility sorts all that out so you get the latest for your K3 configuration. The firmware is "backwards compatible" - the K3 is not obsolete nor "old school". Elecraft would not remove firmware upgrade support without notice - consider that the legacy gear is still being supported - the K2, K1, and KX1 - that is witness to the Elecraft support for all customers, new or old. The first K2s were produced in 1998 and are still going strong and even those first K2s are capable of being upgraded with mod kits to be equal to the latest K2 being shipped (with some minor exceptions). I think this is an example of the kind of support you will receive from Elecraft in the future. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/20/2016 11:47 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > I have not installed any of the K3S lookalike modules but was up to date > with all the mods until then. I remember seeing that I could not load some > level unless I had the new synth boards. I suspect I cannot load any more > code updates after that. > > Does the code yet recognize where I am and load the latest code applicable > to my level? > > Am I locked into a "latest level for my machine"? > From ron at cobi.biz Tue Sep 20 20:03:47 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:03:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01d2139b$a0dad400$e2907c00$@biz> A very long time ago (1950's) we called 'em "California Kilowatts" knowing that their driver stages were running a kilowatt at least and then the big amp following... On A.M. (not so much SSB then) 100% modulation was a starter. 150% produced a nice splatter that told everyone across the band that you were "on the air". The same with CW using very square wave keying that announced your presence over many kc/s with clicks that allowed everyone to read your call and know that "Big Al" (or whomever) was on his key. They seemed rampant on 75 and 20 meters. So the geography has shifted, but not the crazy interests of some operators. BTW, if you are interested in a 15 kW H.F. amp check out the "Tsunami": http://ta5fa.blogspot.com/2013/03/15kw-hf-rf-amplifier-tube.html I'm sure that some operators would use it to drive a "big" final amp, Hi! We can hope they don't find a way. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of F5vjc Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:01 PM To: Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 This is the degeneration of Amateur radio, yes really, it's true. These signals from Eu are invariably the dirtiest worst you will ever hear on the bands, spewing crap all over the band. Below... "The "full body" (whatever that means) CW technique will NOT work in a DX test I've been in (Will knows where) with that 45 over S9 Italian station running 15 kW and a 4 element beam on 40m pointed at the US when the band is wide open, and who has parked 400 Hz above or below me, AND I am trying to copy an S0 (if even that strong) basement noodle antenna QRP station." 73 F5VJC From wlbaber at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 20 20:39:50 2016 From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K2 References: <1938980034.1987510.1474418390343.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1938980034.1987510.1474418390343@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Don, You may never know how many folks you have helped-out who are K2 owners. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I didn't finish my K2/100 until very recently, serial number 0086.....four years after I retired! So, as you know, I had to do lots of mods. I think I got them all. Your posts got me through several issues, including the keying wave-form mod, alignment of the crystal filter (I used the newer crystals based on your post about this--a big difference in my case), the power output instability problem (which led me to the Elecraft mod on this).....and some more stuff I don't recall now. I don't think there was one issue that I searched on that didn't include a response from you. All your advice was dead on, too. Anyone wanting to build K2 has a resource on this reflector in your advice. Thanks for all your advice and easy to follow instructions. I guess K2 is a legacy radio but it will out perform all those up-conversion radios, hands down. Sweet sound too. You may never need a K3! 73, Will, wj9b Kx1, K2, so2r K3/P3 CWops #1085 CWA Advisor levels II and III http://cwops.org/ -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/20/16, Don Wilhelm wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: K2 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016, 4:34 PM Eric, I do repairs, alignment and calibration and upgrades of the Elecraft legacy gear (K2, K1, KX1 and XV series transverters), and I am as busy as I want to be (sometimes more than I want to be). So there is still a lot of interest in that gear, but you are right, most of the posts are about the K3, KX3 and KX2. Non-the-less, there are frequent posts about the legacy gear. Many of the older posts about "how to do ..." are no longer seen, but those questions do pop up occasionally. Many of the K2, K1 and KX1 posts come from folks who have purchased a used transceiver.? In many cases, they did not get all the associated pieces (counter probe for the K2, connecting cables for the KAT100, power cables, etc.) so those new owners need assistance, and they do often post to the reflector. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/20/2016 2:35 PM, Eric J wrote: > I had recently stopped monitoring the reflector as I only have a K1 and > two K2's. Everything is K3 and subject lines rarely reflect that anymore > so it's hard to filter them. But I had a K2 problem and rejoined. Got a > response with solution within an hour! And discovered that I miss the OT > discussions from a unique bunch of experts. Most of the OTs are > interesting and more relevant to a non-KX/K3 owner. So I'm back to > monitoring only OTs. hi. > > The new products don't fill any need in my hamming that isn't satisfied > by the K2, but the ongoing development of the state of ham art at > Elecraft is extraordinary to see. > > Eric KE6US > > On 9/19/2016 8:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still >> monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, >> testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wlbaber at bellsouth.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 20 20:52:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:52:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K2 In-Reply-To: <1938980034.1987510.1474418390343@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1938980034.1987510.1474418390343.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938980034.1987510.1474418390343@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Will, Thank you for your fine words. They are appreciated. I continue to help where I can. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/20/2016 8:39 PM, WILLIE BABER wrote: > Hello Don, > > You may never know how many folks you have helped-out who are K2 owners. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I didn't finish my K2/100 until very recently, serial number 0086.....four years after I retired! So, as you know, I had to do lots of mods. I think I got them all. > > Your posts got me through several issues, including the keying wave-form mod, alignment of the crystal filter (I used the newer crystals based on your post about this--a big difference in my case), the power output instability problem (which led me to the Elecraft mod on this).....and some more stuff I don't recall now. I don't think there was one issue that I searched on that didn't include a response from you. All your advice was dead on, too. > > Anyone wanting to build K2 has a resource on this reflector in your advice. Thanks for all your advice and easy to follow instructions. > > I guess K2 is a legacy radio but it will out perform all those up-conversion radios, hands down. Sweet sound too. You may never need a K3! > > 73, Will, wj9b > Kx1, K2, so2r K3/P3 > > > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Sep 20 21:48:15 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:48:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Storing Configurations for Operating Conditions Message-ID: <1474422495508-7622726.post@n2.nabble.com> So, having gotten my K3S configured to run WSJT-X/WSPR-2 Mode, what way(s) can I use to store the configuration so that I can simply store and recall the configuration rather than working all the menus and buttons, after going off on other settings? I'll read the manual until I fall asleep tonight... Thanks, Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Storing-Configurations-for-Operating-Conditions-tp7622726.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n7wwa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 22:02:53 2016 From: n7wwa at yahoo.com (n7wwa) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:02:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FSQcall Message-ID: <1474423373429-7622727.post@n2.nabble.com> Anyone using the K3S and FSQcall. I can get the audiocodecs to load from the K3S to FSQcall but can't get the rig to key up and transmit. I checked the CAT file and set it to correct com port and baud rate but no joy. Any suggestions? n7wwa -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-and-FSQcall-tp7622727.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wlbaber at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 20 23:24:36 2016 From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 03:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 References: <908539836.2079641.1474428276375.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> It wasn't my term. But I think "full-bodied" cw means a slightly wider I-F to establish background noise that some ops want to hear, particularly if the receiver has exceptional gain distribution and in-band IMD, which the latest Icoms do have. This gives articulation to cw signal outs of a quiet back ground of noise, and so long as you are not dealing with an exceptionally strong signal nearby, hard-wired fast agc can give relative strength to the competing signals. Then, a good cw op can pick out stations actually easier than with a 400hz filter where RIT becomes more necessary. Of course on the Icom radio there is no choice but to do this because 3khz is the narrowest setting, though you could ask for more DSP filtering. So, here again, is what I mean: set you K3 for 2.7khz and I-F DSP at 500hz and tune in a s-9 signal. Now engage your narrow cw filter (I can do 400hz, 250hz, and 200hz). Listen to the I-F back ground noise decrease relative to the signal. Notice too that 2.7 hz with 500hz of DSP sounds more "full-bodied" than 400hz, 250hz, 200hz. Of course, this is all good when you are trying to hear a weak signal anyway as opposed to running a pileup of stations. My point is (or was in the discussion about this) if you like running stations with an Icom you can enjoy running them in the same way with K3. But what has to happen to the Icom radio when a signal like the one Guy describes gets within the 3 khz roofing filter? On the k3 you can engage a 200 hz filter and carry on the east coast -EU battle If there is an advantage to contesting in Idaho it is that EU stations from over the pole are seldom over s-9 and don't blink, you will miss the EU opening, hi. However, I have seen east coast signals nearly peg the meter of k3 a few times in 300z cwt. 73, Will, wj9b KX1, k2, so2r K3/P3 CWops #1085 CWA Advisor levels II and III http://cwops.org/ -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/20/16, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 To: "'F5vjc'" , "'Guy Olinger K2AV'" Cc: "'Elecraft Reflector Reflector'" Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016, 6:03 PM A very long time ago (1950's) we called 'em "California Kilowatts" knowing that their driver stages were running a kilowatt at least and then the big amp following... On A.M. (not so much SSB then) 100% modulation was a starter. 150% produced a nice splatter that told everyone across the band that you were "on the air". The same with CW using very square wave keying that announced your presence over many kc/s with clicks that allowed everyone to read your call and know that "Big Al" (or whomever) was on his key. They seemed rampant on 75 and 20 meters. So the geography has shifted, but not the crazy interests of some operators. BTW, if you are interested in a 15 kW H.F. amp check out the "Tsunami": http://ta5fa.blogspot.com/2013/03/15kw-hf-rf-amplifier-tube.html I'm sure that some operators would use it to drive a "big" final amp, Hi! We can hope they don't find a way. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of F5vjc Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:01 PM To: Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 This is the degeneration of Amateur radio, yes really, it's true.? These signals from Eu are invariably the dirtiest worst you will ever hear on the bands, spewing crap all over the band. Below... "The "full body" (whatever that means) CW technique will NOT work in a DX test I've been in (Will knows where) with that 45 over S9 Italian station running 15 kW and a 4 element beam on 40m pointed at the US when the band is wide open, and who has parked 400 Hz above or below me, AND I am trying to copy an S0 (if even that strong) basement noodle antenna QRP station." 73 F5VJC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wlbaber at bellsouth.net From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Sep 20 23:43:19 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:43:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> References: <908539836.2079641.1474428276375.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35140AFD-27FB-4AA9-B410-60708EABB6E8@wunderwood.org> Analog filters have phase delay. That would be stronger with a narrower filter. Also, the on-off CW signal has sidebands (the harmonics of the square wave). Maybe a narrower filter sounds ?softer?? I have no idea what ?full-bodied CW? means, of course. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:24 PM, WILLIE BABER wrote: > > It wasn't my term. But I think "full-bodied" cw means a slightly wider I-F to establish background noise that some ops want to hear, particularly if the receiver has exceptional gain distribution and in-band IMD, which the latest Icoms do have. This gives articulation to cw signal outs of a quiet back ground of noise, and so long as you are not dealing with an exceptionally strong signal nearby, hard-wired fast agc can give relative strength to the competing signals. Then, a good cw op can pick out stations actually easier than with a 400hz filter where RIT becomes more necessary. Of course on the Icom radio there is no choice but to do this because 3khz is the narrowest setting, though you could ask for more DSP filtering. > > So, here again, is what I mean: set you K3 for 2.7khz and I-F DSP at 500hz and tune in a s-9 signal. Now engage your narrow cw filter (I can do 400hz, 250hz, and 200hz). Listen to the I-F back ground noise decrease relative to the signal. Notice too that 2.7 hz with 500hz of DSP sounds more "full-bodied" than 400hz, 250hz, 200hz. Of course, this is all good when you are trying to hear a weak signal anyway as opposed to running a pileup of stations. > > My point is (or was in the discussion about this) if you like running stations with an Icom you can enjoy running them in the same way with K3. But what has to happen to the Icom radio when a signal like the one Guy describes gets within the 3 khz roofing filter? > > On the k3 you can engage a 200 hz filter and carry on the east coast -EU battle If there is an advantage to contesting in Idaho it is that EU stations from over the pole are seldom over s-9 and don't blink, you will miss the EU opening, hi. However, I have seen east coast signals nearly peg the meter of k3 a few times in 300z cwt. > > 73, Will, wj9b > KX1, k2, so2r K3/P3 > > > CWops #1085 > CWA Advisor levels II and III > http://cwops.org/ > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 9/20/16, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 > To: "'F5vjc'" , "'Guy Olinger K2AV'" > Cc: "'Elecraft Reflector Reflector'" > Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016, 6:03 PM > > A very long time ago > (1950's) we called 'em "California > Kilowatts" knowing > that their driver > stages were running a kilowatt at least and then the big > amp following... > > On A.M. (not so much SSB then) 100% modulation > was a starter. 150% produced > a nice splatter > that told everyone across the band that you were "on > the > air". The same with CW using very > square wave keying that announced your > presence over many kc/s with clicks that > allowed everyone to read your call > and know > that "Big Al" (or whomever) was on his key. > > They seemed rampant on 75 and > 20 meters. > > So the > geography has shifted, but not the crazy interests of some > operators. > > > BTW, if you are interested in a 15 kW H.F. amp > check out the "Tsunami": > > http://ta5fa.blogspot.com/2013/03/15kw-hf-rf-amplifier-tube.html > > I'm sure that some > operators would use it to drive a "big" final amp, > Hi! We > can hope they don't find a way. > > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] > On Behalf Of F5vjc > Sent: Tuesday, September > 20, 2016 3:01 PM > To: Guy Olinger K2AV > Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with > k3 > > This is the degeneration > of Amateur radio, yes really, it's true. These > signals from Eu are invariably the dirtiest > worst you will ever hear on the > bands, > spewing crap all over the band. > > Below... > > > "The "full body" (whatever that > means) CW technique will NOT work in a DX > test I've been in (Will knows where) with > that 45 over S9 Italian station > running 15 > kW and a 4 element beam on 40m pointed at the US when the > band is > wide open, and who has parked 400 Hz > above or below me, AND I am trying to > copy > an S0 (if even that strong) basement noodle antenna QRP > station." > > 73 F5VJC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wlbaber at bellsouth.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w7aqk at cox.net Wed Sep 21 00:07:02 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:07:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 Message-ID: Any currently available Honda generator would certainly be adequate--even the EU1000 model. I've run similar setups to what you describe from several different Hondas. My own generator is a Yamaha 2400 watt model, but it's more than I need for just that. In the past I've even used a small 600 watt Honda, and that worked O.K. too. With Honda you are probably looking at the highest "dollar per watt" cost. The Yamaha is somewhat less, but a very good generator. It's not quite as quiet (ambient noise vs. RFI) though, but only slightly less. There are lots of alternatives out there, and some that have Honda engines. The real issue may be RFI, and you just have to check that out first if you can. Personally, I'd recommend something larger than a 1KW generator if you want to use it for camping, etc. It's surprising how many small appliances can require a fairly high amount of power. A coffee pot often requires 1200 watts or more!!!! That's why I opted for the Yamaha 2400 watt model. In my case, I have a small travel trailer that I use for camping outings, and it has a 15000 BTU air conditioner. A Honda EU2000 won't quite handle that, but the Yamaha will! So, you have to think about the maximum requirement you are apt to have, and the ham rig probably won't be it! Dave W7AQK From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Sep 21 01:45:54 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 22:45:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FWIW, we had problems with noise from a Generac ix 800 (800 watts) generator when we were running a special event station. It just covered the P3 with noise. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | it. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Scott McNealy | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Wed Sep 21 05:13:31 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] ] OT: K2 In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: <858506815.1944423.1474449211662@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Eric, Please stay with the reflector. ?Folks here are helpful and civilized. ?Opposite opinions can be expressed here without too much firing back (even you criticize elecraft). ?Occasional OT is also allowed. I once asked for tourist information in NYC. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Eric J ???? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2016?09?21? (??) 2:35 AM ??? [Elecraft] OT: K2 I had recently stopped monitoring the reflector as I only have a K1 and two K2's. Everything is K3 and subject lines rarely reflect that anymore so it's hard to filter them. But I had a K2 problem and rejoined. Got a response with solution within an hour! And discovered that I miss the OT discussions from a unique bunch of experts. Most of the OTs are interesting and more relevant to a non-KX/K3 owner. So I'm back to monitoring only OTs. hi. The new products don't fill any need in my hamming that isn't satisfied by the K2, but the ongoing development of the state of ham art at Elecraft is extraordinary to see. Eric KE6US On 9/19/2016 8:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still > monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, > testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From kb2tvi at hotmail.com Wed Sep 21 06:06:56 2016 From: kb2tvi at hotmail.com (steve roberts) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:06:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] ] : K2 In-Reply-To: <858506815.1944423.1474449211662@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> , <858506815.1944423.1474449211662@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I recently joined the reflector after purchasing an older K2. I was recently looking for a Kat100 to mate with the K2 and found one on QTH. It had several deficiencies and because of the reflector, I found Don Wilhelm. He took the tuner and repaired it within a week. It's now in line, doing what's it's supposed to do. My point is no matter if you own a K1, K2, or K3, answers, no matter what, can be found here. 73 Steve N2SER On September 21, 2016, at 05:16, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: Hello Eric, Please stay with the reflector. Folks here are helpful and civilized. Opposite opinions can be expressed here without too much firing back (even you criticize elecraft). Occasional OT is also allowed. I once asked for tourist information in NYC. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Eric J ???? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2016?09?21? (??) 2:35 AM ??? [Elecraft] OT: K2 I had recently stopped monitoring the reflector as I only have a K1 and two K2's. Everything is K3 and subject lines rarely reflect that anymore so it's hard to filter them. But I had a K2 problem and rejoined. Got a response with solution within an hour! And discovered that I miss the OT discussions from a unique bunch of experts. Most of the OTs are interesting and more relevant to a non-KX/K3 owner. So I'm back to monitoring only OTs. hi. The new products don't fill any need in my hamming that isn't satisfied by the K2, but the ongoing development of the state of ham art at Elecraft is extraordinary to see. Eric KE6US On 9/19/2016 8:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still > monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, > testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kb2tvi at hotmail.com From btippett at alum.mit.edu Wed Sep 21 06:59:39 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 03:59:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> WILLIE BABER wrote > It wasn't my term. But I think "full-bodied" cw means a slightly wider > I-F to establish background noise that some ops want to hear, particularly > if the receiver has exceptional gain distribution and in-band IMD, which > the latest Icoms do have. This gives articulation to cw signal outs of a > quiet back ground of noise, and so long as you are not dealing with an > exceptionally strong signal nearby, hard-wired fast agc can give relative > strength to the competing signals. Then, a good cw op can pick out > stations actually easier than with a 400hz filter where RIT becomes more > necessary. Of course on the Icom radio there is no choice but to do this > because 3khz is the narrowest setting, though you could ask for more DSP > filtering. This is nothing new. K3ZO has been doing this for about 30 years (at least) using wide filters and his ears as DSP. I did this long ago with a TS-930S using SSB filters with CW VBT fully engaged which shifts two IF filters in opposite directions giving a broad overall response but peaked in the center. See K3ZO's comments here: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Rx-Audio-td467894.html#a467895 As Guy said this technique will NOT work on extremely crowded bands on the East Coast but I have used it on 10 meters where it was not uncommon for JAs to reply well off-frequency. It absolutely WILL NOT work for 160 contests loaded with S9+++ signals spaced every 200 Hz. Interestingly enough I use this technique with APF for ultra weak signal DXing on 160. I set my 200 Hz filters (in diversity) to engage at 400 Hz (i.e. the DSP filter is 400 Hz but preceded by the broad shape factor 200 Hz XTAL filter). This gives more presence (i.e. "full-bodied" sound) to the weak signal by allowing it to be differentiated from noise by my ear/brain while APF is engaged. The net result is a broad overall response but with a very narrow ~10 dB peak in the center (from APF). 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Running-stations-with-k3-tp7622672p7622733.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ai6ii at comcast.net Wed Sep 21 07:52:47 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:52:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] How can I find serial number? Message-ID: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> I just acquired a used factory built KXPA100 that is missing the serial number from the designated spot on the bottom of the case. I don't see where the KXPA Utility tells me what the serial number is. How can I determine this amp's serial number? Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-How-can-I-find-serial-number-tp7622734.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From g6glp at strus.co.uk Wed Sep 21 08:07:06 2016 From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD missing a beat Message-ID: <8986323b-1040-88bd-e30c-05df7f70a484@strus.co.uk> Hi All, I have had the K-Pod some time now and have been more than happy with it. I modded the K3 with the 6.8 ohm R so that I only need to use the rj45 cable supplied to connect the K3 and K-Pod together. I have, being lazy, programmed F3 to simulate M1 which works fine most of the time. When it works I press the F3 and MEM 3 appears on the K3 display and the contents of M1 are send (my call in CW). Occasionally only the MEM 3 appears and the M1 contents are not sent. I know its easy enough to just press F3 again and it will work but thats not the point. Has anyone else seen this or similar and found the fix? I thought it maybe RF getting in but it happens on various bands so while not impossible, it is unlikely (OK prove me wrong). Looking forward to hearing the theories! 73 de Tony G6GLP From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 21 08:08:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] How can I find serial number? In-Reply-To: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Mike, If you know the name and callsign of the original owner, you can contact Elecraft support and they can look it up. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/21/2016 7:52 AM, mike wrote: > I just acquired a used factory built KXPA100 that is missing the serial > number from the designated spot on the bottom of the case. I don't see where > the KXPA Utility tells me what the serial number is. How can I determine > this amp's serial number? Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II > From K1ND at comcast.net Wed Sep 21 08:33:21 2016 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:33:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K2 Message-ID: <6e01db2f-624b-c42f-34e7-1a3067c40953@comcast.net> My K2 # 136 yet does yeoman duty at the bedside, as a listening post in the whee hours But recently I had to take it apart, to recall how the jumpers are set for the HM-2. Was helping a friend get his recent purchase of a mike & K2 to work together. Brought back memories of the Summer 1999 assembly, and fun operating . Cheers, Jan K1ND From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 21 08:34:29 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:34:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD missing a beat In-Reply-To: <8986323b-1040-88bd-e30c-05df7f70a484@strus.co.uk> References: <8986323b-1040-88bd-e30c-05df7f70a484@strus.co.uk> Message-ID: Tony, That may not be a K-POD problem since the MEM 3 is being shown in the VFO B area. Try to see if you can duplicate the same behavior with your M1 button (with the K-POD connected). If you suspect an RF problem, try it into a dummy load and see if the behavior stops. If it does, some work on your antenna system to reduce the RF in the Shack. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/21/2016 8:07 AM, Tony G6GLP wrote: > Hi All, > > I have had the K-Pod some time now and have been more than happy with > it. I modded the K3 with the 6.8 ohm R so that I only need to use the > rj45 cable supplied to connect the K3 and K-Pod together. > > I have, being lazy, programmed F3 to simulate M1 which works fine most > of the time. > > When it works I press the F3 and MEM 3 appears on the K3 display and > the contents of M1 are send (my call in CW). Occasionally only the MEM > 3 appears and the M1 contents are not sent. I know its easy enough to > just press F3 again and it will work but thats not the point. > From hsherriff at reagan.com Wed Sep 21 09:57:44 2016 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] How can I find serial number? In-Reply-To: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <30AB6A12-7B2D-4711-8F20-D394C65455ED@reagan.com> Mike Use the kxpa100 utility and send the serial number command (^SN). The utility will return the serial number. Harlan K4HES Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:52 AM, mike wrote: > > I just acquired a used factory built KXPA100 that is missing the serial > number from the designated spot on the bottom of the case. I don't see where > the KXPA Utility tells me what the serial number is. How can I determine > this amp's serial number? Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-How-can-I-find-serial-number-tp7622734.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From phystad at mac.com Wed Sep 21 11:21:25 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:21:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> Message-ID: <2F9DF4D2-E136-4873-84AD-79EC50C91545@mac.com> Thanks to all you guys with comments and recommendations regarding a generator. Everyone seemed to have great reports on the Honda EU2000i and that will likely be what I get. I see the going street price is $999.99. Some have suggested larger to handle other things like computer, coffee pots, etc. If I were operating a day-long contesting station in the field then that might be justified but that is not my thing. Besides, I never use a computer with ham radio except to load software/firmware on my Elecraft gear or maintain my log (though, I always log on paper and enter into computer later). Jim (K9YC) suggested using a good choke on the input AC line and I will look into it. I already use his RFI paper as the basis design of several chokes I use on my dipole antennas. 73, phil, K7PEH From dick at elecraft.com Wed Sep 21 11:21:45 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:21:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] How can I find serial number? In-Reply-To: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <005f01d2141b$eb9d6900$c2d83b00$@elecraft.com> The KXPA Utility should have the S/N on the title bar if it's connected to a KXPA100. In the command tester window, type "^SN;" 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 04:53 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] How can I find serial number? I just acquired a used factory built KXPA100 that is missing the serial number from the designated spot on the bottom of the case. I don't see where the KXPA Utility tells me what the serial number is. How can I determine this amp's serial number? Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-How-can-I-find-serial-number-tp 7622734.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 12:43:00 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > This is nothing new. K3ZO has been doing this for about 30 years (at > least) > using wide filters and his ears as DSP. > Some people really CAN do this. For some years while he was living in NC, I had the pleasure of operating with W2CS at the NY4A multi/multi sessions. There were some number of neat things he could do, that I could not make happen in my brain, including the K3ZO method and typing 100% copy well behind the signal while carrying on an unrelated conversation. I think I figured out I can't copy CW and chew gum at the same time or something pretty close. So beware of presentation of methodology as general technique, that actually requires some not-so-common physical talents to pull off. I *do* know that K3ZO and W2CS *can* do that, and I also know that I *cannot*. And I also know that my chances of typing CW well behind the signal and carrying on a separate conversation in the room about how deep to plant radials at the same time are simply, factually, ZERO. :>) I do know how to turn K3 diversity into a sound stage and spread signals in a pile up around an audio "horizon". So I'm not totally devoid. :>) 73, Guy K2AV From ai6ii at comcast.net Wed Sep 21 13:03:15 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:03:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] How can I find serial number? In-Reply-To: <005f01d2141b$eb9d6900$c2d83b00$@elecraft.com> References: <1474458767513-7622734.post@n2.nabble.com> <005f01d2141b$eb9d6900$c2d83b00$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1474477395223-7622743.post@n2.nabble.com> The KXPA Utility should have the S/N on the title bar if it's connected to a KXPA100. That's the easiest answer of all, Dick. SN was right there in the title bar. Thanks to all. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-How-can-I-find-serial-number-tp7622734p7622743.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wlbaber at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 21 13:08:21 2016 From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 References: <1494209108.2441918.1474477701294.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1494209108.2441918.1474477701294@mail.yahoo.com> Well, I didn't mention who it was that made the comment about what we now can call the k3zo method. However, the guy who sees an advantage in a 3 khz roofing filter can do just that!! 73, wj9b CWops #1085 CWA Advisor levels II and III http://cwops.org/ -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/21/16, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 To: "Bill W4ZV" Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016, 10:43 AM On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > This is nothing new.? K3ZO has been doing this for about 30 years (at > least) > using wide filters and his ears as DSP. > Some people really CAN do this. For some years while he was living in NC, I had the pleasure of operating with W2CS at the NY4A multi/multi sessions. There were some number of neat things he could do, that I could not make happen in my brain, including the K3ZO method and typing 100% copy well behind the signal while carrying on an unrelated conversation. I think I figured out I can't copy CW and chew gum at the same time or something pretty close. So beware of presentation of methodology as general technique, that actually requires some not-so-common physical talents to pull off. I *do* know that K3ZO and W2CS *can* do that, and I also know that I *cannot*. And I also know that my chances of typing CW well behind the signal and carrying on a separate conversation in the room about how deep to plant radials at the same time are simply, factually, ZERO.? :>) I do know how to turn K3 diversity into a sound stage and spread signals in a pile up around an audio "horizon". So I'm not totally devoid.? :>) 73, Guy K2AV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wlbaber at bellsouth.net From ron at cobi.biz Wed Sep 21 13:10:55 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: <35140AFD-27FB-4AA9-B410-60708EABB6E8@wunderwood.org> References: <908539836.2079641.1474428276375.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> <35140AFD-27FB-4AA9-B410-60708EABB6E8@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <004201d2142b$1d6c9410$5845bc30$@biz> As a 99.99% CW op, I prefer a fairly wide bandwidth - 2 kHz or so - when copying, especially with a weak signal. I attribute that to the gray-matter filter between my ears that can better detect the CW signal in wider-band noise rather than in a noise spectrum limited to frequencies near those of the signal. It works better for me even if there are other signals inside the bandpass. Then it becomes like listening to someone in a room full of people speaking to each other. Quickly my gray matter can filter out the extraneous chatter as long as no one voice is extremely loud, like someone standing next to you at a party yelling at someone across the room. In that case I prefer using the notch filter or even the limiter to suppress a "loudmouth" before narrowing the bandwidth. I used to avoid AGC because of 'pumping', but got back into the habit with the Elecraft rigs because their AGC systems are extremely resistant to pumping. It was easier in the past because many signals had distinctive differences caused by hand-sent keying which made it easier to pick them out against a cacophony of others. Now, of course, most signals are pristine and produced by keyers although there are large variations in speeds, so it's still easier for me to use a wider bandwidth. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 Analog filters have phase delay. That would be stronger with a narrower filter. Also, the on-off CW signal has sidebands (the harmonics of the square wave). Maybe a narrower filter sounds ?softer?? I have no idea what ?full-bodied CW? means, of course. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From linxt at comcast.net Wed Sep 21 13:29:33 2016 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:29:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K2 In-Reply-To: References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> Message-ID: <20160921102933.32e2f823@desktop-1.home> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:35:27 +0000 Eric J wrote: > I had recently stopped monitoring the reflector as I only have a K1 and > two K2's. Everything is K3 and subject lines rarely reflect that anymore > so it's hard to filter them. But I had a K2 problem and rejoined. Got a > response with solution within an hour! And discovered that I miss the OT > discussions from a unique bunch of experts. Most of the OTs are > interesting and more relevant to a non-KX/K3 owner. So I'm back to > monitoring only OTs. hi. > > The new products don't fill any need in my hamming that isn't satisfied > by the K2, but the ongoing development of the state of ham art at > Elecraft is extraordinary to see. > > Eric KE6US > > On 9/19/2016 8:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still > > monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, > > testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg7cfc at fwarc.org This reflector has helped me on several occasions. Most recently I got Don Wilhelm's (W3FPR) name as a possible repair person. I had an incomplete K2 (2 years uncompleted) which he completed, tested, and aligned at a cost which I consider quite good and in a speedy manner. I finally got some ham friends to help install a vertical antenna (I'm in a wheelchair) and am now beginning to learn how to use the K2. My thanks to Don and others on this list who have offered help and advise with problems as they occurred. 73, Tom Taylor KE7TT -- The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance. The wise man grows it under his feet. - James Oppenheim ^^ --... ...-- / -.- . --... - - ^^^^ Tom Taylor KE7TT openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 960 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 40.1, claws-mail 3.10.1 registered linux user 263467 From n7wwa at yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 13:31:18 2016 From: n7wwa at yahoo.com (n7wwa) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:31:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FSQcall In-Reply-To: <1474423373429-7622727.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474423373429-7622727.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474479078617-7622745.post@n2.nabble.com> Found a work around. Set the FSQcall program to PTT. Enable Vox on the K3S and set vox gain to 25. I still get the "no com port available or in use" message but the rig will key up and send. If anyone still knows how to get the K3S to key with FSQcall through the cat line, I would like to know. n7wwa -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-and-FSQcall-tp7622727p7622745.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Sep 21 13:32:22 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:32:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wed,9/21/2016 3:59 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > This is nothing new. K3ZO has been doing this for about 30 years (at least) > using wide filters and his ears as DSP. I did this long ago with a TS-930S > using SSB filters with CW VBT fully engaged which shifts two IF filters in > opposite directions giving a broad overall response but peaked in the > center. See K3ZO's comments here: Now we're getting to the good part of this thread, which I've found quite illuminating, because it explains user preferences for one radio over another that aren't obvious. Thanks to Will, Guy, and Bill for their very useful contributions to the discussion. There's another VERY important factor related to bandwidth -- when we narrow the bandwidth to copy a very weak signal buried in noise (as opposed to QRM), the filter tends to ring at its skirts, making it more difficult to copy rather than easier. I find this to be true independent of which filter alignment I've chosen, and it's predicted entirely by classic filter theory. The K2, which sounds great when listening through its TX filter, has a multi-element crystal filter that it realigns to vary the bandwidth, sounds just awful when set for narrow SSB bandwidths. It's all due to the extreme phase shift in those filters. As another example from my work in pro audio, I was hired to try to clean some really nasty buzz out of a "jailhouse" recording. This was in the late '70s, and DSP didn't exist. My tool was a very high quality, very narrow tunable notch filter with high and low pass filters, and I passed the recording though it a half dozen times to attack the harmonics of the buzz. With each pass, I reduced the buzz, but I also introduced more phase shift. So as the signal to noise improved, the intelligibility degraded. 73, Jim K9YC From matt at nq6n.com Wed Sep 21 14:33:56 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > Now we're getting to the good part of this thread, which I've found quite illuminating, because it explains user preferences for one radio over another that aren't obvious. Thanks to Will, Guy, and Bill for their very useful contributions to the discussion. I agree, this is a very interesting topic. I've heard some lore about the TS-830 and 930, and the Yaesu FT-990 having very desirable receiver characteristics for hearing weak signals in pileups.... not necessarily due to a specific design goal or commensurate with minimizing close-in IMD, but as a byproduct of the overall receiver design whose distortion characteristics happen to work nicely in a pileup. In terms of the phase shift introduced by filters, I assume the distortion introduced by the filter is commensurate with the steepness of the skirts? On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,9/21/2016 3:59 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > >> This is nothing new. K3ZO has been doing this for about 30 years (at >> least) >> using wide filters and his ears as DSP. I did this long ago with a >> TS-930S >> using SSB filters with CW VBT fully engaged which shifts two IF filters in >> opposite directions giving a broad overall response but peaked in the >> center. See K3ZO's comments here: >> > > Now we're getting to the good part of this thread, which I've found quite > illuminating, because it explains user preferences for one radio over > another that aren't obvious. Thanks to Will, Guy, and Bill for their very > useful contributions to the discussion. > > There's another VERY important factor related to bandwidth -- when we > narrow the bandwidth to copy a very weak signal buried in noise (as opposed > to QRM), the filter tends to ring at its skirts, making it more difficult > to copy rather than easier. I find this to be true independent of which > filter alignment I've chosen, and it's predicted entirely by classic filter > theory. The K2, which sounds great when listening through its TX filter, > has a multi-element crystal filter that it realigns to vary the bandwidth, > sounds just awful when set for narrow SSB bandwidths. It's all due to the > extreme phase shift in those filters. > > As another example from my work in pro audio, I was hired to try to clean > some really nasty buzz out of a "jailhouse" recording. This was in the late > '70s, and DSP didn't exist. My tool was a very high quality, very narrow > tunable notch filter with high and low pass filters, and I passed the > recording though it a half dozen times to attack the harmonics of the buzz. > With each pass, I reduced the buzz, but I also introduced more phase shift. > So as the signal to noise improved, the intelligibility degraded. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From mwatterson at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 14:52:26 2016 From: mwatterson at gmail.com (Mike Watterson (K3MAW)) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <2F9DF4D2-E136-4873-84AD-79EC50C91545@mac.com> References: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> <2F9DF4D2-E136-4873-84AD-79EC50C91545@mac.com> Message-ID: Phil, If you go with the Honda give Mayberrys a call, http://www.mayberrys.com/. They give a discount to hams. I bought mine there several years ago and if I recall, the discount was pretty good. Mike - K3MAW On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > Thanks to all you guys with comments and recommendations regarding a > generator. Everyone seemed to have great reports on the Honda EU2000i and > that will likely be what I get. I see the going street price is $999.99. > > Some have suggested larger to handle other things like computer, coffee > pots, etc. If I were operating a day-long contesting station in the field > then that might be justified but that is not my thing. Besides, I never > use a computer with ham radio except to load software/firmware on my > Elecraft gear or maintain my log (though, I always log on paper and enter > into computer later). > > Jim (K9YC) suggested using a good choke on the input AC line and I will > look into it. I already use his RFI paper as the basis design of several > chokes I use on my dipole antennas. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mwatterson at gmail.com > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Sep 21 15:06:51 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:06:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: <422BC137-BD21-43C8-8767-901E7DC63553@mac.com> <2F9DF4D2-E136-4873-84AD-79EC50C91545@mac.com> Message-ID: <039c0393-3811-6f83-171c-b84053cb9743@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> One thing to think about (and yes, Honda makes great stuff). There is a triple-fuel conversion for the Yamaha generators -- gasoline, propane or natural gas. Propane is easier to store, and won't gum up the carburetor like gasoline. I've not seen a propane conversion Honda generator, but I'd definitely look for non-gasoline options. -- Lynn From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Sep 21 15:20:28 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: OK, this is probably a good place to ask: When trying to copy a weak-ish signal in noise and "other stuff" in the 50's, one of my crewmates at the coastal marine station told me to lay the cans on the desk, face up. It works. I don't know why, maybe someone here knows. Surprisingly, I generally didn't need to turn the gain up much if at all. The receiver I used most on our HF frequencies was a brand new Collins 51J4. The military version was the R-388A. It had 6 and 3 KHz mech filters, and a separate, adjustable crystal filter. Did not cover 500 Kcs which was particularly noise and full of signals at night, however the trick worked on those receivers too, so it wasn't just the mech filter. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/21/2016 9:43 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > >> This is nothing new. K3ZO has been doing this for about 30 years (at >> least) >> using wide filters and his ears as DSP. From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Sep 21 15:43:36 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:43:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48FB3A17-3AC9-40E5-BD6B-200DB2DD534C@wunderwood.org> > On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Matt Murphy wrote: > > In terms of the phase shift introduced by filters, I assume the distortion > introduced by the filter is commensurate with the steepness of the skirts? When designing an analog filter, you can optimize the amplitude response (Chebyshev or Elliptic) or the phase response (Bessel), or a compromise (Butterworth). Digital filters can optimize both the amplitude and phase response (FIR), but they add delay in the time domain. Once again, no free lunch in physics. The textbook for my analog filter class was ?Analog Filter Design? by M. E. Van Valkenburg. Filters are designed by computer now, but the math should be pretty much the same. http://dea.unsj.edu.ar/sredes/Biblioauxi/260360960-Analogue-Filter-Design.pdf wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From thom2 at att.net Wed Sep 21 18:04:10 2016 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:04:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K2 In-Reply-To: <20160921102933.32e2f823@desktop-1.home> References: <8F3C16D7-2654-4B4B-80B8-D8B9FF3416E7@law.du.edu> <002201d212b2$21573e10$6405ba30$@biz> <1c7f4cf8-51bb-a9cd-1846-760c10bef525@embarqmail.com> <000301d212eb$df5a5760$9e0f0620$@biz> <20160921102933.32e2f823@desktop-1.home> Message-ID: <7e1d3660-1472-92ab-c747-c3c575e07465@att.net> As a K2 only owner I appreciate when the posters reference the equipment they are posting about in the subject line (e.g. "K3"). This helps with auto sorting. Tom, wb2qdg K2 #1103 On 9/21/2016 1:29 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:35:27 +0000 > Eric J wrote: > >> I had recently stopped monitoring the reflector as I only have a K1 and >> two K2's. Everything is K3 and subject lines rarely reflect that anymore >> so it's hard to filter them. But I had a K2 problem and rejoined. Got a >> response with solution within an hour! And discovered that I miss the OT >> discussions from a unique bunch of experts. Most of the OTs are >> interesting and more relevant to a non-KX/K3 owner. So I'm back to >> monitoring only OTs. hi. >> >> The new products don't fill any need in my hamming that isn't satisfied >> by the K2, but the ongoing development of the state of ham art at >> Elecraft is extraordinary to see. >> >> Eric KE6US >> >> On 9/19/2016 8:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> P.S. Us K2 owners are rather quiet these days. I suspect few are still >>> monitoring the reflector. I miss the many questions about soldering, >>> testing, setting up an antenna, etc. But time, and products, moves on.. >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kg7cfc at fwarc.org > This reflector has helped me on several occasions. Most recently I got Don > Wilhelm's (W3FPR) name as a possible repair person. I had an incomplete K2 (2 > years uncompleted) which he completed, tested, and aligned at a cost which I > consider quite good and in a speedy manner. > > I finally got some ham friends to help install a vertical antenna (I'm in a > wheelchair) and am now beginning to learn how to use the K2. > > My thanks to Don and others on this list who have offered help and advise with > problems as they occurred. > > 73, Tom Taylor KE7TT > -- I don't wear a watch because where I am is where I want to be. I don't carry a cell phone because who I'm with is who I want to talk to...yep I'm retired! From ron at cobi.biz Wed Sep 21 18:47:24 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:47:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 In-Reply-To: References: <365788261.1268821.1474334461227@mail.yahoo.com> <908539836.2079641.1474428276375@mail.yahoo.com> <1474455579495-7622733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001501d2145a$1f510020$5df30060$@biz> Most of the "cans" I used in the 50's had a flat metal disk diaphragm that vibrated in the field of a pair of magnets behind it. They had a pronounced "peak" in their audio response in the 1 to 1.5 kHz (kc/s to be period-correct) range. I, too, often just laid them on the table while working around the operating room at K6USA (Ft. Ord Army MARS station). The R.O. on the SS Californian used to wind up his magnetic detector and listen to traffic from his cans laying on the operating table while he fell asleep in his bed after his shift ended for the night. They estimate it was just a few minutes at most after his detector wound down and the signals went quiet before the CQD/SOS started blasting out from nearby MGY (SS Titanic). That's why she never responded. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:20 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Running stations with k3 OK, this is probably a good place to ask: When trying to copy a weak-ish signal in noise and "other stuff" in the 50's, one of my crewmates at the coastal marine station told me to lay the cans on the desk, face up. It works. I don't know why, maybe someone here knows. Surprisingly, I generally didn't need to turn the gain up much if at all. The receiver I used most on our HF frequencies was a brand new Collins 51J4. The military version was the R-388A. It had 6 and 3 KHz mech filters, and a separate, adjustable crystal filter. Did not cover 500 Kcs which was particularly noise and full of signals at night, however the trick worked on those receivers too, so it wasn't just the mech filter. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Wed Sep 21 19:51:19 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:51:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Storing Configurations for Operating Conditions In-Reply-To: <1474422495508-7622726.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474422495508-7622726.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474501879309-7622753.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for an off-list suggestion to use the K3 Utility, which seems a decent idea. Would that be the recommended way? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Storing-Configurations-for-Operating-Conditions-tp7622726p7622753.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 21 19:58:25 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:58:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Storing Configurations for Operating Conditions In-Reply-To: <1474501879309-7622753.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474422495508-7622726.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474501879309-7622753.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7ede8960-d752-bd2a-a28f-c51ddc9338a9@embarqmail.com> Bret, Other than writing down all the menu and configuration settings, that is the only way I know of. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/21/2016 7:51 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Thanks for an off-list suggestion to use the K3 Utility, which seems a decent > idea. Would that be the recommended way? > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Sep 21 20:16:51 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:16:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Ops with KX3 along with KXPA100 Message-ID: <201609220016.u8M0GpZA009472@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I operated from temporary locations (often in a wall tent) from remote Alaska on 80 & 40m SSB with a radio and ac PS powered by one of the 600w Honda "lunch box" generators. Never had any radio noise problems. We went out with long ext cords to get the engine noise away from the radio. I have a 6500w electric-start Honda as emerg backup power for the house and no radio noise. Engine runs very quiet as well (has its own "doghouse" near the commercial power meter box to which I ran wiring via conduit using a 200amp transfer switch). I believe is uses a alternator with true sine wave. Cost me $4K. I just put in service a 50v - 50amp switching PS for my 6m QRO amp. I ran three wraps of the 50v wiring thru a toroid donut and used a couple clamp-on ferrites on the 240vac leads to block RFI. Absolutely no 6m electrical noise in the K3 only 5-feet from the PS. You could do the same with the ac leads from a noisy generator. Generac is an old name known for supplying farm power; cheap in cost and not a lot of engineering. I'd buy the Honda! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From graham at alston.com.au Thu Sep 22 01:37:43 2016 From: graham at alston.com.au (Graham Alston) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:37:43 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes Message-ID: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> Hi, I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? 73, Graham VK3GA From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 07:56:26 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 07:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> Message-ID: <064801d214c8$592976b0$0b7c6410$@gmail.com> Graham, DATA-A mode is typically used for PSK-31 and some other digital modes. Try using CW mode for CW and see if that doesn?t help resolve the issue. Hope this helps. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Graham Alston Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:38 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes Hi, I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? 73, Graham VK3GA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 22 08:50:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 08:50:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> Message-ID: <825c78aa-9009-e4d1-6c9d-8d1ab69ea991@embarqmail.com> Graham, You are sending CW with audio tones, so that is a natural consequence. I suggest the only "fix" is to put the K3S into SPLIT mode, set VFO B 600Hz lower than VFO A and then link the VFOs (LINK is a menu function now). 73, Don W3FPR On 9/22/2016 1:37 AM, Graham Alston wrote: > Hi, > > I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. > > I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). > > When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? > > I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? > > 73, Graham VK3GA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From mwdink at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 11:43:18 2016 From: mwdink at yahoo.com (Michael Dinkelman) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Cold KX3 doesn't turn on References: <1075624481.3669852.1474558998393.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1075624481.3669852.1474558998393@mail.yahoo.com> I bought a used KX3 back in June. It's a very early production device (#109). Been great all summer as a mobile in my truck. (Just did 1000 miles in the Salmon Run) Past two days, it hasn't turned on when I started off to work in the morning.Yesterday, thought it was a loose connection, opened it up, at work,nothing obvious. Powered up after I put it back together. Worked fineon the way home. Today, same thing. This time, I just brought it inside at work and let itwarm up. Powered up right up. Symptoms: If you press BAND- / ATU Tune (in that order) it just clicks. If you press ATU Tune / BAND-? (in that order) the backlight come on, but nothing else. I figure the temps have been in the high 30's F, maybe low 40's F? the past couple days I searched the net, no one else seems to have made this complaint. (I haven't checkedthe mail-list archives yet.) No, it's not the batteries - I use the vehicle battery in the truck anyway. cheersdink, n7wa From robert.forster at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 12:00:44 2016 From: robert.forster at gmail.com (Robert Forster) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 10:00:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking For Rework Eliminator Option Bypass Headers Message-ID: Hello all, First time poster to the group. I've been looking at building a K2 to use as an IF rig and I'm really close to pulling the trigger. I'd like to build this rig with the bypass headers from unpcbs.com but it seems they are sold out and not anticipating another run. I'd like to build this rig so it is as flexible as possible so if anyone has a spare set they would like to sell please contact me off list. Thanks and 73, Robert AD0TA -- === I could tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it. === From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 22 13:23:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 13:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Cold KX3 doesn't turn on In-Reply-To: <1075624481.3669852.1474558998393@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1075624481.3669852.1474558998393.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1075624481.3669852.1474558998393@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8b074785-70f7-9010-718c-0b0a6fc29b29@embarqmail.com> You need a new MCU crystal to fix it. Sometimes it can be recovered by opening the KX3 and heating the crystal for 30 seconds or so with a soldering iron - but that is a temporary work-around. It needs to go back to Watsonville to have the crystal changed. Contact KX3support at elecraft.com to start the process of obtaining an RSA. 73,, Don W3FPR On 9/22/2016 11:43 AM, Michael Dinkelman via Elecraft wrote: > I bought a used KX3 back in June. It's a very early production device (#109). > Been great all summer as a mobile in my truck. (Just did 1000 miles in the Salmon Run) > Past two days, it hasn't turned on when I started off to work in the morning.Yesterday, thought it was a loose connection, opened it up, at work,nothing obvious. Powered up after I put it back together. Worked fineon the way home. > Today, same thing. This time, I just brought it inside at work and let itwarm up. Powered up right up. > Symptoms: > If you press BAND- / ATU Tune (in that order) it just clicks. > If you press ATU Tune / BAND- (in that order) the backlight come on, but nothing else. > I figure the temps have been in the high 30's F, maybe low 40's F the past couple days > From hb9brj at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 14:06:03 2016 From: hb9brj at gmail.com (hb9brj) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:06:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FSQcall In-Reply-To: <1474479078617-7622745.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474423373429-7622727.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474479078617-7622745.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474567563329-7622763.post@n2.nabble.com> Quite some time ago I did some tests using FSQCALL v0.24.6 and my K3 TRX. I used the "Use CAT commands from file" option. In a text file, you have to define the relevant COM port and CAT parameters. See the help text for details. Markus HB9BRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-and-FSQcall-tp7622727p7622763.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hms4 at lehigh.edu Thu Sep 22 15:11:21 2016 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and acces FS Message-ID: Due to the need to downsize my portable station to travel very small and light I have decided to replace my great KX3 with a KX2 which is now on order. This includes the KX3 sn 482, KXAT3 tuner, KXFL3 filter, KXBC3 clock/charger, KX side panels with plexi cover. I would like $1190. I will reduce by $50. if you do not want the side panels and cover which I will remove. If you would like a new set of Sanyo Eneloop Ni-MH 2000 mAh AA cells, I will include them for $15. Howard AE3T From rwhitetexas at verizon.net Thu Sep 22 15:24:49 2016 From: rwhitetexas at verizon.net (W5RDW) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:24:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KRX3 Install..... Message-ID: <1474572289596-7622765.post@n2.nabble.com> Recently finished the install of the KRX3 receiver and two KSYN3A synthesizers in my K3. I have had the 2nd receiver sitting in its box too long, but family problems was the priority the last year or so. When the new KSYN3a came out, it looked like a good option to install also. My K3 was a factory assembled unit, so the only opening up of it previously was to install a few optional filters, a simple task. I had read a number of sub-receiver installs on the web, so I knew I was going to have to dig down into the radio a little further. Fortunately, as I proceeded, the install was smooth. Pulling off and then reinstalling the front panel was simple. Assembling the sub-receiver was pretty simple also. As I got everything ready to start the final effort to install the rather large sub-receiver into the K3, I wondered how I was going to fit it in the space, line up two multi-pin DC/control connectors, push a few coax?s out of the way and line up two holes for the two hold-down screws that go thru the sub- receiver assy. Although this sounds complicated, it really was not, especially if you slightly tilt the sub-receiver toward the front mating dc/control connector and then start lowering it slowly into the space. Elecraft did a good job of getting everything built precisely so that the fit is precise but easily accomplished. Worth waiting for! Roger W5RDW ----- Roger W5RDW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KRX3-Install-tp7622765.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Thu Sep 22 15:35:42 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FSQcall In-Reply-To: <1474567563329-7622763.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474423373429-7622727.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474479078617-7622745.post@n2.nabble.com> <1474567563329-7622763.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9ddda600-74b8-af3a-91b7-d0e64c024288@subich.com> It should not be necessary to use the "Use CAT commands from file" option. Set PTT/CAT to "01,Kenwood (newer models)" and check the "Use PTT" radio button. Set the Comport to the port created by the K3S. Set the Soundcard (Select Soundcard) to "Line (USB Audio CODEC)" or "mic (USB Audio CODEC)" depending on the way the K3S identifies in your operating system for Input and "Speakers (USB Audio CODEC)" for Output. In the K3S make sure to set CONFIG:PTT-Key to rts-OFF to allow the RTS line of the USB port to be used for PTT by the K3S. Set the K3S to DATA A mode, set MENU:MIC SEL to LINE IN and adjust the K3 Mic Gain along with the Windows gain for FSQCALL for four bars of ALC with the fifth flickering. In general, these configuration options are the same as one would use for PSK31, JT65, JT9 or any other audio based data mode. Note: there may be a problem with FSQcall and COM port numbers greater than 8. I have not made it work with higher port numbers but it works properly with COM 1 - COM 8. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/22/2016 2:06 PM, hb9brj wrote: > Quite some time ago I did some tests using FSQCALL v0.24.6 and my K3 TRX. > I used the "Use CAT commands from file" option. In a text file, you have to > define the relevant COM port and CAT parameters. See the help text for > details. > > Markus HB9BRJ > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-and-FSQcall-tp7622727p7622763.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 16:21:15 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 16:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> Message-ID: [In the following text, "both the K3 and the K3S" is represented by "K3/S". Text applicable to only one or the other will be "K3" or "K3S"] Hi Graham. With a warm smile, a soft voice, and friendly demeanor. I have had to go through this post-analog era "de-analoging" my own radio perceptions, and have had a fairly painful time of it :>) The big lesson from my de-analoging was just how much my traditional analog thinking, ground in by 50 years of analog hamming experience on analog equipment, was keeping me from moving on. I needed to understand, cope with and take advantage of very superior digital methods in a new digital era. I was really pretty clunky. That said, not reporting any genius-level learning rate on my part to claim superiority... There is no suppressed carrier in software derived radio (SDR). In the K3/S the single sideband envelope is generated directly from firmware. It begins with data from analog to digital converter chips (ADC) on line in or mic leads. Firmware converts this to SSB representative data, sent to a digital to analog chip (DAC) directly outputting SSB at the 15 kHz TX IF. There is no carrier to null or filter out. There is no opposite sideband to phase out or filter out. There are DAC and frequency conversion artifacts which need to be removed by one means or another (as in going through a 2.7 kHz wide 8 MHz crystal filter also used for receive). CW is not a keyed carrier any more. It is directly generated by the DAC chip to the 15 kHz TX IF from digital data representing an ideal waveform. The normal keying "sidebands" of the CW signal are also from that data. The frequency conversion, and linear amplifier stages following, will add some additional sidebands based on their degree of linearity, hopefully very well down. For frequency display, in CW mode the K3/S will display the single frequency of the central signal. For SSB and any mode generated through DATA A, the K3/S will display the traditional amateur radio SSB frequency, which is what you would get if you could somehow create SSB output from a DC voltage applied to the K3/S transmitter line in or mic inputs. Note that some other radio services use center of bandwidth as the frequency for SSB operation. Use of audio input for keying should be avoided where possible. Note that you can generate CW, FSK, and PSK without use of audio input, producing ideal keying and bandwidth. Signals generated this way are without any audio input artifacts like 60, 120, 180 Hz hum, audio harmonics from low level distortion, audio noise or hiss, or miscellaneous unwanted audio from grounding issues, or feedback from mild RF in the shack, or miscellaneous audio from other apps on the PC bleeding through PC "soundboards". The state of digital direct signal generation for CW is so clean that it is simply poor amateur practice to generate CW from audio tones. There are so many ways to screw up CW in the audio. The reputation of very clean CW from K3/S depends on the direct data generation of CW in the K3/S The key jack input on the back of the K3/S is itself converted to data on one lead of an ADC chip, and sent to the CPU as data, only one data "channel" on a single multiplexed data line, informing the CPU that the key is *reported* high or low. That key jack voltage is not used directly for anything except to be sampled, and advise the CPU whether the jack is keyed or not. The CPU directs other stuff based upon the *report* of keyed or not. It can do exactly the same thing from a string of characters converted in firmware to the *effect* of *reports* of keyed or not. Ditto FSK D and PSK D. In a contest, I would not want to be the next station up or down frequency from you doing audio generation of CW. I urge you to permanently discontinue that practice. I would also urge that you use FSK D and PSK D where possible to transmit instead of audio tones. These are all successfully employed by some remote users, though I can't speak to the methods or their complexity. FSK D and PSK D will occupy minimum bandwidth by virtue of ideal waveforms and be independent of all the audio train issues of gain, noise, level-based distortion and AC power artifacts between user PC generation, audio train, and the K3/S. Use of the K3/S USB "soundcard" in some setups does remove some audio transmission issues, but you are exporting the "quality control" of waveforms to the third-party program running on the PC. Third-party programmers are not going to take responsibility for K3/S output waveshape. Sorry to rag on, but not excessively sorry. :>) 73 and good luck with all the remote stuff. Guy K2AV On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Graham Alston wrote: > Hi, > > I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. > > I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in > reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). > > When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than > the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and > the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? > > I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? > > 73, Graham VK3GA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 17:17:18 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 21:17:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> Message-ID: A very enlightening post, Guy. Almost every new technology ever invented experiences the same thing. New users tend to work hard to make the new technology work just like the old technology did. Instead of developing new procedures to fit very different technology, they make the new technology fit the old procedures. I worked in the printing and publishing industry for many years. We were still using some hot metal Linotypes that weren't even made anymore, and when we bought electronic typesetters, managers and workers tried to make them compatible with hot type instead of junking hot type and developing new procedures. It was a long battle. Computer use was the same. People would type on the new word processors, then immediately print a copy to edit from, then go back to the WP enter the edits and immediately print a "clean" copy. One wag early on said the paperless office was about as likely as the paperless bathroom. Thanks for the very lucid description of how the K3 works. Eric KE6US On 9/22/2016 1:21 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: [In the following text, "both the K3 and the K3S" is represented by "K3/S". Text applicable to only one or the other will be "K3" or "K3S"] Hi Graham. With a warm smile, a soft voice, and friendly demeanor. I have had to go through this post-analog era "de-analoging" my own radio perceptions, and have had a fairly painful time of it :>) The big lesson from my de-analoging was just how much my traditional analog thinking, ground in by 50 years of analog hamming experience on analog equipment, was keeping me from moving on. I needed to understand, cope with and take advantage of very superior digital methods in a new digital era. I was really pretty clunky. That said, not reporting any genius-level learning rate on my part to claim superiority... There is no suppressed carrier in software derived radio (SDR). In the K3/S the single sideband envelope is generated directly from firmware. It begins with data from analog to digital converter chips (ADC) on line in or mic leads. Firmware converts this to SSB representative data, sent to a digital to analog chip (DAC) directly outputting SSB at the 15 kHz TX IF. There is no carrier to null or filter out. There is no opposite sideband to phase out or filter out. There are DAC and frequency conversion artifacts which need to be removed by one means or another (as in going through a 2.7 kHz wide 8 MHz crystal filter also used for receive). CW is not a keyed carrier any more. It is directly generated by the DAC chip to the 15 kHz TX IF from digital data representing an ideal waveform. The normal keying "sidebands" of the CW signal are also from that data. The frequency conversion, and linear amplifier stages following, will add some additional sidebands based on their degree of linearity, hopefully very well down. For frequency display, in CW mode the K3/S will display the single frequency of the central signal. For SSB and any mode generated through DATA A, the K3/S will display the traditional amateur radio SSB frequency, which is what you would get if you could somehow create SSB output from a DC voltage applied to the K3/S transmitter line in or mic inputs. Note that some other radio services use center of bandwidth as the frequency for SSB operation. Use of audio input for keying should be avoided where possible. Note that you can generate CW, FSK, and PSK without use of audio input, producing ideal keying and bandwidth. Signals generated this way are without any audio input artifacts like 60, 120, 180 Hz hum, audio harmonics from low level distortion, audio noise or hiss, or miscellaneous unwanted audio from grounding issues, or feedback from mild RF in the shack, or miscellaneous audio from other apps on the PC bleeding through PC "soundboards". The state of digital direct signal generation for CW is so clean that it is simply poor amateur practice to generate CW from audio tones. There are so many ways to screw up CW in the audio. The reputation of very clean CW from K3/S depends on the direct data generation of CW in the K3/S The key jack input on the back of the K3/S is itself converted to data on one lead of an ADC chip, and sent to the CPU as data, only one data "channel" on a single multiplexed data line, informing the CPU that the key is *reported* high or low. That key jack voltage is not used directly for anything except to be sampled, and advise the CPU whether the jack is keyed or not. The CPU directs other stuff based upon the *report* of keyed or not. It can do exactly the same thing from a string of characters converted in firmware to the *effect* of *reports* of keyed or not. Ditto FSK D and PSK D. In a contest, I would not want to be the next station up or down frequency from you doing audio generation of CW. I urge you to permanently discontinue that practice. I would also urge that you use FSK D and PSK D where possible to transmit instead of audio tones. These are all successfully employed by some remote users, though I can't speak to the methods or their complexity. FSK D and PSK D will occupy minimum bandwidth by virtue of ideal waveforms and be independent of all the audio train issues of gain, noise, level-based distortion and AC power artifacts between user PC generation, audio train, and the K3/S. Use of the K3/S USB "soundcard" in some setups does remove some audio transmission issues, but you are exporting the "quality control" of waveforms to the third-party program running on the PC. Third-party programmers are not going to take responsibility for K3/S output waveshape. Sorry to rag on, but not excessively sorry. :>) 73 and good luck with all the remote stuff. Guy K2AV On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Graham Alston wrote: Hi, I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? 73, Graham VK3GA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com From gkidder at ilstu.edu Thu Sep 22 18:26:22 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:26:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> Message-ID: <03892f98-e6ef-957f-b3c5-c3becea27d14@ilstu.edu> Eric, As an old duffer who has done lots of scientific writing over the last 60 years, I have never found that I could ACCURATELY proofread from a computer screen. For some reason, my eye skips over some really howlers which I do catch in the printed copy. And along with this is the growing incidence of spellchecker errors, in which the wrong real word is substituted for a misspelled word with another meaning. (My favorite error was the substitution of "wooden" for "woolen" in a sentence which was intended to read "[she] was the type of girl who looks like she wears woolen underwear." I hope the younger generations are better than I am, but looking as the printed results does not encourage this belief. George, W3HBM PS - I hope this short message is error-free, but don't count on it - I didn't print it out. > A very enlightening post, Guy. > > Almost every new technology ever invented experiences the same thing. New users tend to work hard to make the new technology work just like the old technology did. Instead of developing new procedures to fit very different technology, they make the new technology fit the old procedures. I worked in the printing and publishing industry for many years. > > We were still using some hot metal Linotypes that weren't even made anymore, and when we bought electronic typesetters, managers and workers tried to make them compatible with hot type instead of junking hot type and developing new procedures. It was a long battle. Computer use was the same. People would type on the new word processors, then immediately print a copy to edit from, then go back to the WP enter the edits and immediately print a "clean" copy. One wag early on said the paperless office was about as likely as the paperless bathroom. > > Thanks for the very lucid description of how the K3 works. > > Eric KE6US > > On 9/22/2016 1:21 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > [In the following text, "both the K3 and the K3S" is represented by "K3/S". > Text applicable to only one or the other will be "K3" or "K3S"] > > Hi Graham. > > With a warm smile, a soft voice, and friendly demeanor. I have had to go > through this post-analog era "de-analoging" my own radio perceptions, and > have had a fairly painful time of it :>) > > The big lesson from my de-analoging was just how much my traditional analog > thinking, ground in by 50 years of analog hamming experience on analog > equipment, was keeping me from moving on. I needed to understand, cope with > and take advantage of very superior digital methods in a new digital era. I > was really pretty clunky. That said, not reporting any genius-level > learning rate on my part to claim superiority... > > There is no suppressed carrier in software derived radio (SDR). In the > K3/S the single sideband envelope is generated directly from firmware. It > begins with data from analog to digital converter chips (ADC) on line in or > mic leads. Firmware converts this to SSB representative data, sent to a > digital to analog chip (DAC) directly outputting SSB at the 15 kHz TX IF. > There is no carrier to null or filter out. There is no opposite sideband to > phase out or filter out. There are DAC and frequency conversion artifacts > which need to be removed by one means or another (as in going through a 2.7 > kHz wide 8 MHz crystal filter also used for receive). > > CW is not a keyed carrier any more. It is directly generated by the DAC > chip to the 15 kHz TX IF from digital data representing an ideal waveform. > The normal keying "sidebands" of the CW signal are also from that data. The > frequency conversion, and linear amplifier stages following, will add some > additional sidebands based on their degree of linearity, hopefully very > well down. > > For frequency display, in CW mode the K3/S will display the single > frequency of the central signal. > > For SSB and any mode generated through DATA A, the K3/S will display the > traditional amateur radio SSB frequency, which is what you would get if you > could somehow create SSB output from a DC voltage applied to the K3/S > transmitter line in or mic inputs. Note that some other radio services use > center of bandwidth as the frequency for SSB operation. > > Use of audio input for keying should be avoided where possible. Note that > you can generate CW, FSK, and PSK without use of audio input, producing > ideal keying and bandwidth. Signals generated this way are without any > audio input artifacts like 60, 120, 180 Hz hum, audio harmonics from low > level distortion, audio noise or hiss, or miscellaneous unwanted audio from > grounding issues, or feedback from mild RF in the shack, or miscellaneous > audio from other apps on the PC bleeding through PC "soundboards". > > The state of digital direct signal generation for CW is so clean that it is > simply poor amateur practice to generate CW from audio tones. There are so > many ways to screw up CW in the audio. The reputation of very clean CW from > K3/S depends on the direct data generation of CW in the K3/S > > The key jack input on the back of the K3/S is itself converted to data on > one lead of an ADC chip, and sent to the CPU as data, only one data > "channel" on a single multiplexed data line, informing the CPU that the key > is *reported* high or low. That key jack voltage is not used directly for > anything except to be sampled, and advise the CPU whether the jack is keyed > or not. The CPU directs other stuff based upon the *report* of keyed or > not. It can do exactly the same thing from a string of characters converted > in firmware to the *effect* of *reports* of keyed or not. Ditto FSK D and > PSK D. > > In a contest, I would not want to be the next station up or down frequency > from you doing audio generation of CW. I urge you to permanently > discontinue that practice. > > I would also urge that you use FSK D and PSK D where possible to transmit > instead of audio tones. These are all successfully employed by some remote > users, though I can't speak to the methods or their complexity. > > FSK D and PSK D will occupy minimum bandwidth by virtue of ideal waveforms > and be independent of all the audio train issues of gain, noise, > level-based distortion and AC power artifacts between user PC generation, > audio train, and the K3/S. > > Use of the K3/S USB "soundcard" in some setups does remove some audio > transmission issues, but you are exporting the "quality control" of > waveforms to the third-party program running on the PC. Third-party > programmers are not going to take responsibility for K3/S output waveshape. > > Sorry to rag on, but not excessively sorry. :>) > > 73 and good luck with all the remote stuff. > > Guy K2AV > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Graham Alston wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. > > I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in > reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). > > When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than > the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and > the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? > > I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? > > 73, Graham VK3GA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 20:12:38 2016 From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Nets Message-ID: <22F6B077-03CB-4AE7-A8E7-D18C6C891981@gmail.com> Here is a collated list for the last several weeks, of stations checking in to the weekly Elecraft SSB Net on 20m (14.303.5) at 18:00z (UTC). The lists for all but last week come from regular net control station Eric, WB9JNZ. I hope the formatting survives the posting experience. Please feel welcome to join us any or every week for the phone net. 73 John, N6JW Elecraft SSB Net 8-21 8-28 9-3 9-11 9-18 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control ? ? ? ? AE6JV Bill CA K3 2299 ? ? ? N6JW John CA K3 936 ? ? ? W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 ? ? ? K7BRR Bill AZ K3 5545 ? ? NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 ? ? ? VA7ZOO Bill BC KX3 3035 QRP ? ? NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 ? ? ? ? ? KC5MOL Javier TX KX3 101 QRP ? KK6DA Dave CA K3S 10125 ? N7BDL Terry AZ K3S 10373 ? W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843 ? ? W7HD Ron AZ KX3 6966 ? KC9JXJ Hi IL Kenwood 590 ? KG6VDW Jon NV KX3 8046 ? ? ? Elecraft SSB Net 8-21 8-28 9-3 9-11 9-18 N9SRA Steve IL K3S 10563 ? W5MLM Mark TX KX3 515 KX3 8673 ? ? W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 ? ? W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 ? ? W8OV Dave TX K3 2139 ? N9TF Gene IL K3S 10057 ? WM6P Steve GA K3 8133 ? VE3XM Bob ONT K3 409 ? ? ? W4PFM Paul VA K3 1673 ? ? ? ? K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 ? N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 ? ? ? W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329 ? ? N0MPM Mike IA K3S 10514 ? K4GCJ Gary NC K3 1957 ? K7EMF Gary WA K3 4628 ? ? N7BPL Terry AZ K3S 10373 ? KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 ? W4DHL Doug TN K3 6433 ? AA3YT Dan UT FT897 ? Elecraft SSB Net 8-21 8-28 9-3 9-11 9-18 AC9KU George IL KX3 6775 QRP FT1kD ? ? W5TTF Charlie TX K3 4016 ? K6GVW Jerry CA K3 8115 ? K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 ? ? K8NU Carl OH K3 7976 ? K8NU Carl OH K3 1318 ? K4FI Doug SC K3 6199 ? ? KB7A Dave or Icom 745 ? KF6U Gary CA KX3 424 ? ? WL7BA Mike CA KX3 4718 ? KJ6YPG Alex CA KX3 4843 ? K6WDE/KH6 Dave HI KX3 4599 ? K6WDE Dave CA KX3 4599 ? KC9JXJ Hi IL Kenwood 590sg ? N0NB Nate KS K3 4762 ? ? Elecraft SSB Net 8-21 8-28 9-3 9-11 9-18 KF7JZH Don ID KX3 2262 QRP ? K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 ? WU6K Jim CA KX2 553 QRP ? K8DVX Roger MI Kenwood TS 830s ? K0VET John MO K3 3986 ? KD1UM Michael CO Yaesu 817 QRP ? K4KAY Earl NC K3S 10326 ? ? Elecraft SSB Net 8-21 8-28 9-3 9-11 9-18 AD5SX Paul NM K2/100 583 [K3 4645] ? W6RKE Jerry WA K3S 10242 ? AC8UC Ray OH KX3 8407 ? W4CRN JP GA K3 8850 ? W4LT Lu FL K3 3192 ? WJ6OHI Karl CA K3 8936 ? W5SV Dave TX K3 5354 ? KL7UW Ed AK K3 4340 ? N2TNQ Len NJ K3 5270 ? W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 ? ZL1PWD Peter NZ K3 139 ? From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 20:20:24 2016 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP Old and New References: <1636049190.41571.1474590024096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1636049190.41571.1474590024096@mail.yahoo.com> I have an older 2009 K3 without the updated DSP. What is your opinion? Is it worth the upgrade to the newer D version? Anyone done a comparison? ?? Doug K6JEY ? From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu Sep 22 20:55:25 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP Old and New In-Reply-To: <1636049190.41571.1474590024096@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1636049190.41571.1474590024096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1636049190.41571.1474590024096@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <643370341.2692451.1474592125039@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Doug, If you are not going for a K3S, the update to newer D version is very worthwhile. ?It gives great improvement in the audio (though I still consider the audio worse than my new generation Icom radio). However, Elecraft mentioned in the past that the DSP board currently used in K3S would be offered to K3 user for upgrade. I would wonder whether you would like to wait for the new K3S DSP board instead. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Doug Millar via Elecraft ???? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2016?09?23? (??) 8:20 AM ??? [Elecraft] K3 DSP Old and New I have an older 2009 K3 without the updated DSP. What is your opinion? Is it worth the upgrade to the newer D version? Anyone done a comparison? ?? Doug K6JEY ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 22 22:02:45 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP Old and New In-Reply-To: <1636049190.41571.1474590024096@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1636049190.41571.1474590024096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1636049190.41571.1474590024096@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Doug, I also have the older DSP board. I elected to add the Low Pass Filter add-on-board because I was not interested in the extended low frequency response. So the proper answer depends on your aspirations - the low pass filter does provide a definite advantage in high frequency 'hiss'. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/22/2016 8:20 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote: > I have an older 2009 K3 without the updated DSP. What is your opinion? Is it worth the upgrade to the newer D version? Anyone done a comparison? > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 22:14:33 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:14:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: <03892f98-e6ef-957f-b3c5-c3becea27d14@ilstu.edu> References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> <03892f98-e6ef-957f-b3c5-c3becea27d14@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: You haven't adjusted to on-screen technology, because paper technology is familiar. That was the main point I saw in Guy's note. Many of us hams are hung up on analog technology, and some of us insist on imposing this on digital technology such as the K3. We want the K3 to work like the old analog stuff did/does. Older people have to relearn things to deal with new technology as new technology. Younger people who grow up on the new digital technology will likely do the same thing when they are older and technology again changes. I wrote professionally for half my life (autos and motorcycles). I started on a manual typewriter then an electric. When the TRS-80 came out and Michael Shrayer's Electric Pencil became available, I switched completely to composing, editing and submitting electronically by about 1980. Affordable printers were crappy 40 column thermal dot matrix at first, then mostly paper dot-matrix. I learned to do as much as I could on the screen to avoid those abysmal printers. It turned out to be a good decision. All that said, I love my analog (mostly) technology K2's. hi. Eric KE6US On 9/22/2016 3:26 PM, George Kidder wrote: Eric, As an old duffer who has done lots of scientific writing over the last 60 years, I have never found that I could ACCURATELY proofread from a computer screen. For some reason, my eye skips over some really howlers which I do catch in the printed copy. And along with this is the growing incidence of spellchecker errors, in which the wrong real word is substituted for a misspelled word with another meaning. (My favorite error was the substitution of "wooden" for "woolen" in a sentence which was intended to read "[she] was the type of girl who looks like she wears woolen underwear." I hope the younger generations are better than I am, but looking as the printed results does not encourage this belief. George, W3HBM PS - I hope this short message is error-free, but don't count on it - I didn't print it out. A very enlightening post, Guy. Almost every new technology ever invented experiences the same thing. New users tend to work hard to make the new technology work just like the old technology did. Instead of developing new procedures to fit very different technology, they make the new technology fit the old procedures. I worked in the printing and publishing industry for many years. We were still using some hot metal Linotypes that weren't even made anymore, and when we bought electronic typesetters, managers and workers tried to make them compatible with hot type instead of junking hot type and developing new procedures. It was a long battle. Computer use was the same. People would type on the new word processors, then immediately print a copy to edit from, then go back to the WP enter the edits and immediately print a "clean" copy. One wag early on said the paperless office was about as likely as the paperless bathroom. Thanks for the very lucid description of how the K3 works. Eric KE6US On 9/22/2016 1:21 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: [In the following text, "both the K3 and the K3S" is represented by "K3/S". Text applicable to only one or the other will be "K3" or "K3S"] Hi Graham. With a warm smile, a soft voice, and friendly demeanor. I have had to go through this post-analog era "de-analoging" my own radio perceptions, and have had a fairly painful time of it :>) The big lesson from my de-analoging was just how much my traditional analog thinking, ground in by 50 years of analog hamming experience on analog equipment, was keeping me from moving on. I needed to understand, cope with and take advantage of very superior digital methods in a new digital era. I was really pretty clunky. That said, not reporting any genius-level learning rate on my part to claim superiority... There is no suppressed carrier in software derived radio (SDR). In the K3/S the single sideband envelope is generated directly from firmware. It begins with data from analog to digital converter chips (ADC) on line in or mic leads. Firmware converts this to SSB representative data, sent to a digital to analog chip (DAC) directly outputting SSB at the 15 kHz TX IF. There is no carrier to null or filter out. There is no opposite sideband to phase out or filter out. There are DAC and frequency conversion artifacts which need to be removed by one means or another (as in going through a 2.7 kHz wide 8 MHz crystal filter also used for receive). CW is not a keyed carrier any more. It is directly generated by the DAC chip to the 15 kHz TX IF from digital data representing an ideal waveform. The normal keying "sidebands" of the CW signal are also from that data. The frequency conversion, and linear amplifier stages following, will add some additional sidebands based on their degree of linearity, hopefully very well down. For frequency display, in CW mode the K3/S will display the single frequency of the central signal. For SSB and any mode generated through DATA A, the K3/S will display the traditional amateur radio SSB frequency, which is what you would get if you could somehow create SSB output from a DC voltage applied to the K3/S transmitter line in or mic inputs. Note that some other radio services use center of bandwidth as the frequency for SSB operation. Use of audio input for keying should be avoided where possible. Note that you can generate CW, FSK, and PSK without use of audio input, producing ideal keying and bandwidth. Signals generated this way are without any audio input artifacts like 60, 120, 180 Hz hum, audio harmonics from low level distortion, audio noise or hiss, or miscellaneous unwanted audio from grounding issues, or feedback from mild RF in the shack, or miscellaneous audio from other apps on the PC bleeding through PC "soundboards". The state of digital direct signal generation for CW is so clean that it is simply poor amateur practice to generate CW from audio tones. There are so many ways to screw up CW in the audio. The reputation of very clean CW from K3/S depends on the direct data generation of CW in the K3/S The key jack input on the back of the K3/S is itself converted to data on one lead of an ADC chip, and sent to the CPU as data, only one data "channel" on a single multiplexed data line, informing the CPU that the key is *reported* high or low. That key jack voltage is not used directly for anything except to be sampled, and advise the CPU whether the jack is keyed or not. The CPU directs other stuff based upon the *report* of keyed or not. It can do exactly the same thing from a string of characters converted in firmware to the *effect* of *reports* of keyed or not. Ditto FSK D and PSK D. In a contest, I would not want to be the next station up or down frequency from you doing audio generation of CW. I urge you to permanently discontinue that practice. I would also urge that you use FSK D and PSK D where possible to transmit instead of audio tones. These are all successfully employed by some remote users, though I can't speak to the methods or their complexity. FSK D and PSK D will occupy minimum bandwidth by virtue of ideal waveforms and be independent of all the audio train issues of gain, noise, level-based distortion and AC power artifacts between user PC generation, audio train, and the K3/S. Use of the K3/S USB "soundcard" in some setups does remove some audio transmission issues, but you are exporting the "quality control" of waveforms to the third-party program running on the PC. Third-party programmers are not going to take responsibility for K3/S output waveshape. Sorry to rag on, but not excessively sorry. :>) 73 and good luck with all the remote stuff. Guy K2AV On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Graham Alston wrote: Hi, I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? 73, Graham VK3GA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Sep 22 23:24:40 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 03:24:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change Message-ID: Two thoughts on this . . . One is about a book published some years ago titled ?Who Moved My Cheese!? It was aimed at a business management audience, with the message that when the cheese is in a different place, it really doesn?t make sense to go back to where it used to be and try to amanage as if it?s still there. A short book, and a great read. The other, which has been exaggerated but the core of which rings true, is about the development of the typewriter and its use by law firms in the late 1800s. A central character in the practice then was the scrivener, the human predecessor to the typewriter whose professional self-worth retarded adoption of the then-new technology for half a generation. Equally a part of our legends are senior partners in the so-called silk stocking firms who admonished their young clerks that while they might use that typewriter thing for whatever their own purposes were, when the clerk wrote to THAT lawyer?s clients, the letter would be written by hand and absolutely nothing else. To this day some of us ? including yours truly ? still like the feel and smell of buckram. And of CW generated in the old way that we could watch happening in the red glow of the plate in the 6146. And in our mire still think it quite magical that A to D conversion actually works. All of which is admittedly OT; but the bands are closed for the night. Atavistically, Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:14:33 +0000 From: Eric J To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You haven't adjusted to on-screen technology, because paper technology is familiar. That was the main point I saw in Guy's note. Many of us hams are hung up on analog technology, and some of us insist on imposing this on digital technology such as the K3. We want the K3 to work like the old analog stuff did/does. Older people have to relearn things to deal with new technology as new technology. Younger people who grow up on the new digital technology will likely do the same thing when they are older and technology again changes. I wrote professionally for half my life (autos and motorcycles). I started on a manual typewriter then an electric. When the TRS-80 came out and Michael Shrayer's Electric Pencil became available, I switched completely to composing, editing and submitting electronically by about 1980. Affordable printers were crappy 40 column thermal dot matrix at first, then mostly paper dot-matrix. I learned to do as much as I could on the screen to avoid those abysmal printers. It turned out to be a good decision. All that said, I love my analog (mostly) technology K2's. hi. Eric KE6US From robert.forster at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 23:33:21 2016 From: robert.forster at gmail.com (Robert Forster) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 21:33:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking For Rework Eliminator Option Bypass Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found a set. Thank you to everyone who responded. Looking forward to sharing my trials and tribulations with the list as I start my largest kit build to date! 73, Robert AD0TA On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Robert Forster wrote: > Hello all, > > First time poster to the group. > I've been looking at building a K2 to use as an IF rig and I'm really > close to pulling the trigger. I'd like to build this rig with the > bypass headers from unpcbs.com but it seems they are sold out and not > anticipating another run. I'd like to build this rig so it is as > flexible as possible so if anyone has a spare set they would like to > sell please contact me off list. > > Thanks and 73, > Robert > AD0TA > > > > > > -- > === > I could tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it. > === -- === I could tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it. === From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Sep 22 23:45:44 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 20:45:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,9/22/2016 8:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Two thoughts on this . . . Great observations, Ted! And one more thought, articulated in a novel by Thomas Wolfe, published in 1940. The title is "You Can't Go Home Again." The meaning of the title is that we can't go back to where we grew up (or where we had "a life") and expect it to be the same, because things change in many ways. People we knew then have moved on, they have grown/changed/evolved, the things that made up the life of that place and of those people are different, often VERY different. So we can go back to the same physical place, but we can't go back to the life we remembered. And it's not that our memory is faulty, but rather that the world has moved on. 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Sep 22 23:55:01 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:55:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes Message-ID: <201609230355.u8N3t2fj003827@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Graham I do not know what program you are using to operate CW (perhaps FLdigi) but guessing this for HF. On eme digital modes have become prevalent and using sw such as WSJT10 for that one can switch from say JT65 to CW by simple choice of mode on a drop down menu. I have not operated CW-eme with this but many have been to accommodate some traditionalist who prefer to use CW. The ability to switch modes in the sw without changing modes on the K3 (or K3s) is very convenient. If one switches out of DATA-A the waterfall display stops receiving and one has no display of the received signal (an inconvenience). So I just made a test using WSJT10 with my K3 connecting the 1.5mw XVT output to my frequency counter. I simulated CW by pressing XMIT which displayed 28.124.998 (for dial = 28.125) I have my CW offset to 600 Hz which I can hear with the monitor. Then I tried running the CW mode on WSJT10 but the counter could not lock on such short duration tones. So I set the sw up for test tones which typically are used for setting Tx audio levels in the K3. Pressing the 1000-Hz tone gave the same RF frequency at the counter = 28,124.998 That definitely is 1000-Hz vs 600-Hz but both mode output on the same carrier freq. Switching to CW mode on the K3 while operating eme on digital would be cumbersome, so there may be times that using tone generated CW has advantages. I guess its up to each operator to ensure clean operating settings and connections are existing if the do so. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From graham at alston.com.au Fri Sep 23 00:55:36 2016 From: graham at alston.com.au (Graham Alston) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:55:36 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> Message-ID: Hello Guy, Ian, Don, Eric, Ed?... Very enlightening posts, thank you! As a ham who has only, in the last 12 months, returned on air after 30 years, this information is very relevant. So on your advice I did some more testing and can confirm that using WinK3Suite remotely via the RemoteRig K3-Twin system works perfectly for CW/RTTY/PSK. No need to use Fldigi/sound card or USB for those modes?.nice and clean. For JT65/JT9, which cannot be provided ?in the box?, I am forced to use the sound card tones at the control end of the remote link (which the RemoteRig appliances send to the remote K3S via the MIC IN). Elecraft Support insist that I should use DATA-A and keep a close eye on the ALC so as not to cause any spectrum problems. Ed, thanks for doing the tests. I assume WSJT-X is the same as WSJT10, so I think I?m all good. I must say that I am having a ball on these new digital modes and enjoying DX?ing much more than I ever did 30 years ago. The ability to work an Iraq station on JT65 at -20dB who was running 30W into a dipole is extraordinary, particularly from this part of the world in a declining sunspot cycle. Best 73, Graham VK3GA > On 23 Sep 2016, at 6:21 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > [In the following text, "both the K3 and the K3S" is represented by "K3/S". Text applicable to only one or the other will be "K3" or "K3S"] > > Hi Graham. > > With a warm smile, a soft voice, and friendly demeanor. I have had to go through this post-analog era "de-analoging" my own radio perceptions, and have had a fairly painful time of it :>) > > The big lesson from my de-analoging was just how much my traditional analog thinking, ground in by 50 years of analog hamming experience on analog equipment, was keeping me from moving on. I needed to understand, cope with and take advantage of very superior digital methods in a new digital era. I was really pretty clunky. That said, not reporting any genius-level learning rate on my part to claim superiority... > > There is no suppressed carrier in software derived radio (SDR). In the K3/S the single sideband envelope is generated directly from firmware. It begins with data from analog to digital converter chips (ADC) on line in or mic leads. Firmware converts this to SSB representative data, sent to a digital to analog chip (DAC) directly outputting SSB at the 15 kHz TX IF. There is no carrier to null or filter out. There is no opposite sideband to phase out or filter out. There are DAC and frequency conversion artifacts which need to be removed by one means or another (as in going through a 2.7 kHz wide 8 MHz crystal filter also used for receive). > > CW is not a keyed carrier any more. It is directly generated by the DAC chip to the 15 kHz TX IF from digital data representing an ideal waveform. The normal keying "sidebands" of the CW signal are also from that data. The frequency conversion, and linear amplifier stages following, will add some additional sidebands based on their degree of linearity, hopefully very well down. > > For frequency display, in CW mode the K3/S will display the single frequency of the central signal. > > For SSB and any mode generated through DATA A, the K3/S will display the traditional amateur radio SSB frequency, which is what you would get if you could somehow create SSB output from a DC voltage applied to the K3/S transmitter line in or mic inputs. Note that some other radio services use center of bandwidth as the frequency for SSB operation. > > Use of audio input for keying should be avoided where possible. Note that you can generate CW, FSK, and PSK without use of audio input, producing ideal keying and bandwidth. Signals generated this way are without any audio input artifacts like 60, 120, 180 Hz hum, audio harmonics from low level distortion, audio noise or hiss, or miscellaneous unwanted audio from grounding issues, or feedback from mild RF in the shack, or miscellaneous audio from other apps on the PC bleeding through PC "soundboards". > > The state of digital direct signal generation for CW is so clean that it is simply poor amateur practice to generate CW from audio tones. There are so many ways to screw up CW in the audio. The reputation of very clean CW from K3/S depends on the direct data generation of CW in the K3/S > > The key jack input on the back of the K3/S is itself converted to data on one lead of an ADC chip, and sent to the CPU as data, only one data "channel" on a single multiplexed data line, informing the CPU that the key is *reported* high or low. That key jack voltage is not used directly for anything except to be sampled, and advise the CPU whether the jack is keyed or not. The CPU directs other stuff based upon the *report* of keyed or not. It can do exactly the same thing from a string of characters converted in firmware to the *effect* of *reports* of keyed or not. Ditto FSK D and PSK D. > > In a contest, I would not want to be the next station up or down frequency from you doing audio generation of CW. I urge you to permanently discontinue that practice. > > I would also urge that you use FSK D and PSK D where possible to transmit instead of audio tones. These are all successfully employed by some remote users, though I can't speak to the methods or their complexity. > > FSK D and PSK D will occupy minimum bandwidth by virtue of ideal waveforms and be independent of all the audio train issues of gain, noise, level-based distortion and AC power artifacts between user PC generation, audio train, and the K3/S. > > Use of the K3/S USB "soundcard" in some setups does remove some audio transmission issues, but you are exporting the "quality control" of waveforms to the third-party program running on the PC. Third-party programmers are not going to take responsibility for K3/S output waveshape. > > Sorry to rag on, but not excessively sorry. :>) > > 73 and good luck with all the remote stuff. > > Guy K2AV > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Graham Alston > wrote: > Hi, > > I?m very new to Elecraft and K3S so hope this is not too obvious?. > > I have a K3S connected to my PC with audio tones coming in via MIC IN (in reality the K3S is the remote end of a K3-Twin remote setup). > > When I use DATA-A sub mode for CW, the transmission is 600Hz higher than the VFO frequency. I assume this is because DATA-A transmits on the USB and the VFO shows the suppressed carrier frequency? > > I want my CW signal to match the VFO, how can I do that? > > 73, Graham VK3GA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Fri Sep 23 02:05:04 2016 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 01:05:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - am I locked into a specific microcode level In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <00d001d21560$6d9c9df0$48d5d9d0$@STL-OnLine.Net> Is there any problem "jumping " from my current level to the newest? Thanks Guys, I should have known but somehow I thought I had to upgrade to load new levels because of the synthesizers. So glad to hear that and this one will be quite an upgrade from maybe a couple of years ago. I just made 1200 contacts with it in the previous 9 days for Route 66 On-The-Air Special Event and it worked just fine like it always dd. Heard from another person who was listening to me and didn't understand how I could hear some and he couldn't. I told him it was spelled K3. Last year 2387 and the previous year 2606 in the 9 days. Had personal stuff in the way this year. Radio works FINE. Will start with a new K3 Utility and go from there. Thanks all, 73, Jim KG0KP W6P(annually) -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 6:52 PM To: Jim Miller; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - am I locked into a specific microcode level Jim, Go ahead and update your K3 with the latest level firmware! K3 Utility has the capability to interrogate your K3 and determine which modules are to be loaded. Yes, there are K3S unique firmware modules, but K3 Utility sorts all that out so you get the latest for your K3 configuration. The firmware is "backwards compatible" - the K3 is not obsolete nor "old school". Elecraft would not remove firmware upgrade support without notice - consider that the legacy gear is still being supported - the K2, K1, and KX1 - that is witness to the Elecraft support for all customers, new or old. The first K2s were produced in 1998 and are still going strong and even those first K2s are capable of being upgraded with mod kits to be equal to the latest K2 being shipped (with some minor exceptions). I think this is an example of the kind of support you will receive from Elecraft in the future. 73, Don W3FPR From pete.sobye at icloud.com Fri Sep 23 03:32:57 2016 From: pete.sobye at icloud.com (G0PNM) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:32:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: <902750362.15745710.1474276915176.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> <902750362.15745710.1474276915176.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> Message-ID: <1474615977489-7622781.post@n2.nabble.com> So, the USB/Serial cable arrived yesterday. Last night, I downloaded the Utility software and reinstalled the firmware 5.50. All was good, no issues. So I decided to try the Beta firmware 5.52 and again no problems and the radio behaved normally so I was overjoyed. I sent an email to Elecraft, expressing my jubilation that the matter has been resolved. Fast forward to this morning. I started work this morning at 0800 but was up early so thought I would have a tune around before leaving home. To my amazement, the radio behaved as it did before my interventions last night. Jumping bands, random relay clicks and the frequency readout displaying weird frequencies such as 249Mhz... I did shoot a quick video on my phone, again, and its on YouTube here:- https://youtu.be/Lwuuy246FyI I apologise for it being on its side but it was early! I now fear this radio is going to have to go back to the dealer (Waters and Stanton (UK)) for repair / replacement / refund. My Elecraft experience has not been as I had hoped, being my dream radio. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Erratic-VFO-behaviour-Switching-bands-and-freq-s-tp7622624p7622781.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 06:29:49 2016 From: john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com (John Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:29:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - am I locked into a specific microcode level In-Reply-To: <00d001d21560$6d9c9df0$48d5d9d0$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <000f01d21356$4d7c6980$e8753c80$@STL-OnLine.Net> <00d001d21560$6d9c9df0$48d5d9d0$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <9f3abc22-59da-3ba9-6287-b44f8244e6a6@gmail.com> Why are we using the term microcode here? When I think of microcode, I think of the code within a cpu that takes the machine code from outside the processor and turns it into the signals that move and manipulate the data within the processor, turning on and off registers and paths. When I think of firmware within a device such as an SDR, I am still thinking along the lines of machine code that is outside of some processor. 72 - john - n0hj From aurich85 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 06:54:50 2016 From: aurich85 at yahoo.com (Luke) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2: Sub 100mw power setting? References: <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859@mail.yahoo.com> Would it be possible to configure the KX2 through a firmware update to transmit at power levels below the 100mw low limit? If the PA is capable of being stepped down that low I'm interested in experimenting with very low power transmissions and it would be convenient if I could access levels somewhere in the range of 50mw to 5mw without the need for an external attenuator.? Thanks! LukeAD0KI From dl1sdz at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 07:21:40 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:21:40 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2: Sub 100mw power setting? In-Reply-To: References: <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, I second that! Beeing a 5 Watt Operator for nearly 20 years, I discovered in the last years the Joy of qrpp down to 0.5 mW . And I can tell you it works. So I consider 100 mW in CW nearly QRO. In Wspr 200 mW is definitly Qro and I tx most of the time with 10 mW with the help of a step attenuator. So the control of the power level from the Kx2 down to 1 mW would be a major improvement. 73 de Hajo dl1sdz From mbaileycrna at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 08:42:06 2016 From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 07:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Whats this 6146 stuff...what happened to the 1628 or the 807...and not to mention the trusty 813 and for the big power ...304TL...whoot bring on them big filament transformers... On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,9/22/2016 8:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > >> Two thoughts on this . . . >> > > Great observations, Ted! And one more thought, articulated in a novel by > Thomas Wolfe, published in 1940. The title is "You Can't Go Home Again." > The meaning of the title is that we can't go back to where we grew up (or > where we had "a life") and expect it to be the same, because things change > in many ways. People we knew then have moved on, they have > grown/changed/evolved, the things that made up the life of that place and > of those people are different, often VERY different. So we can go back to > the same physical place, but we can't go back to the life we remembered. > And it's not that our memory is faulty, but rather that the world has moved > on. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mbaileycrna at gmail.com > From K5WA at Comcast.net Fri Sep 23 09:05:35 2016 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 08:05:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Tracking Upgrades with the K3 Utility? Message-ID: <009701d2159b$2cbbe030$8633a090$@net> This is probably a feature request but there may also be a way to accomplish this request with the K3 Utility (or other diagnostic software) and I'm just unaware of it. I am not a disciplined inventory keeper of the changes I've made to my K3 rigs so I'm not absolutely sure where I stand on upgrades, mods, etc. I believe Elecraft keeps that information if you have ever sent your rig in for repair or calibration but I'm not sure how to access that unless I just call/email them. The K3 Utility shows filters, settings, accessories and such so I'm thinking board tracking (such as "Which DSP board is in this particular rig?") is a logical extension of that concept. Question: Can the K3 Utility track which boards and upgrades are actually in your K3? This probably isn't a practical request but I would never put a brilliant/elegant solution out of Wayne's possibilities. Yes, I could open up my rigs and search for the board designators but I prefer the lazy/faster way if possible. ;-) Alternatively, maybe Elecraft has this information by serial number in a database and there could be a page on the Elecraft site where I could see my serial numbered results. Admittedly, it wouldn't show anything that might have changed since the last visit to the factory but it would be a good start. I started down this line of thought when I saw Don's, W3FPR, post on the DSP board and the low pass board. I don't remember ever seeing that a low pass board was available but it sounds like a great idea...which I might already own. ;-) Early morning dreaming, Bob K5WA From w4das at comcast.net Fri Sep 23 09:37:19 2016 From: w4das at comcast.net (Doug Shields) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:37:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Assembled K2 MAB boards available Message-ID: <001501d2159f$9b8e66f0$d2ab34d0$@comcast.net> Hello everyone, Months ago I took on assembling a small lot of the K2 MAB boards. Life got in the way and it took a lot longer to complete the boards than anticipated. I now have seven boards completed and available. The K2 MAB is a small accessory circuit board for the K2. It combines a fixed level audio output, a CW tuning indicator, a circuit for keying the K2 from a computer, and the microphone configuration headers that are accessible simply by removing the side panel of the radio. Full information is available at the link below. I have seven complete, ready to install boards, with wire for connection available. The boards are available for $90 each, which includes Priority Mail postage for the US. International postage will be a bit more. I can accept payments through Paypal, money order, check or cash. Please let me know how I can help. Doug W4DAS w4das at comcast.net General Information: http://www.genebitsystems.com/david/K2MiscAccessoryBoard/index.htm Manual: http://www.genebitsystems.com/david/K2MiscAccessoryBoard/K2_Misc_Accessory_B oard_V1.1_Manual_3-20-2014.pdf From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 09:37:42 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 08:37:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: KXPA100 and KXPACBL For Sale Message-ID: Life changes. Interests wax and wane. I'm more interested in triathlons and training than I am amateur radio. Been a ham since 1992 and decided at age 48 that, for me, there's more to life than sitting at a desk behind a computer or radio. I need to get outside more with my wife and youngest daughter and after my first sprint a couple of weeks ago on a mountain bike, I decided I need a road bike. Therefore, I am selling the above. Cost is $1050 to your door. This price is firm and I don't want trades. I will accept PayPal, USPS MO, or cashier's check drawn on a US bank. US shipping only. If you want to call and discuss, call me at 205-535-2070. Oh, I am keeping my KX3 / PX3. ? 73, Joel - W4JBB From alsopb at comcast.net Fri Sep 23 09:46:40 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:46:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: References: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <57E53240.3080706@comcast.net> One unwelcome change is the proliferation of icons, emoji and other pictograms instead of words. We are headed back to the days of hieroglyphics--devolution. Ten lines of text in a news article is being displaced by megabytes of video. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 9/23/2016 12:42 PM, Morgan Bailey wrote: > Whats this 6146 stuff...what happened to the 1628 or the 807...and not to > mention the trusty 813 and for the big power ...304TL...whoot bring on them > big filament transformers... > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >> On Thu,9/22/2016 8:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> >>> Two thoughts on this . . . >>> >> >> Great observations, Ted! And one more thought, articulated in a novel by >> Thomas Wolfe, published in 1940. The title is "You Can't Go Home Again." >> The meaning of the title is that we can't go back to where we grew up (or >> where we had "a life") and expect it to be the same, because things change >> in many ways. People we knew then have moved on, they have >> grown/changed/evolved, the things that made up the life of that place and >> of those people are different, often VERY different. So we can go back to >> the same physical place, but we can't go back to the life we remembered. >> And it's not that our memory is faulty, but rather that the world has moved >> on. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mbaileycrna at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From mbaileycrna at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 09:47:32 2016 From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 08:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: References: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I made a miss key, GiGo (for all you fortran non porgramers that means Garbage in Garbage out), 1625 not 1628....arggg..then there was the trusty OA3 regular of purple phase noise generator of a mercury vapor tube...then there was the magic EYE of the ARK 5 command transmitter...with the flip up top with the mirror on it...man those were the days when a BA/Weller 30 watt iron a few old TV and Radio sets could get you on the air with about 1 pound of solder. What great fun that was...when you could actually take a TV apart for the terminal strips and drill out the rivets on the tube sockets, bend an aluminum cookie sheet or use oak lath on 1 by 2s for the tube base chassis open high voltage on the cathode key and static generated clix that could be heard on any radio in the house...Bring on the resistor across the key and cut down the clix...yeah we have come a long way. Not to mention the 2ft by 4ft dupe sheet for Multi-single contesting for each band. Making ladder line because you could not afford the nice round coax when you were 12 years old...it cost more than the entire radio rx and tx. using fence wire with oak lath strips cut and drilled then boiled in wax to weather proof, the out put of the tube would load just about any thing. Just put a light bulb across the antenna terminals and tune for maximum smoke, with the antenna hooked up...or use a neon light close to the feed line and do the same when you could afford to buy a ne2 light bulb. Finding one on the farm was hard. Had to get a ride 70 miles away to a Laffyette radio store to buy one. OMG found a Wave meter there, used it to tune after that ...was over driven so connected a resistor to the antenna of the meter to bring it in range. Worked DXCC with one 1625 and cw a dipole fed with ladder line and coils wound on toilet roll cardboard soaked in waterglass then varnished to make them really stiff. All this was before PVC at a big box store. They took down the wire from the telephone poles...yes telephone wire was like 10 gage copperweld wire...got it free for the taking ... had to use a barbed wire fence tool to work with it but once you had it cut it stayed up like forever, the tree would come down first... I could rattle for hours on the things I did when I was a kid learning radio, My first radio was out of a used cubscout book I found at a library, (I was not a scout), that taught me to make (condenser) a capacitor a razor blade (blue blade) detector with a safety pin and a piece of lead from a #2 pencil. I had to get the wire from an audio transformer to wind the coil and used a #10 gauge copper wire for the slider to tune the coil (fixed capacitor tank, tunable inductor). Then there was the problem of the antenna...clipped it on every thing that I could...then finally clipped it on my open bed springs that I slept on and left the radio on the bed side table. KOMA Oklahoma city with no batteries all night long...then KNCK radio Concordia Kansas during the day. Those are where I got my start. My dad was talking to a shop mechanic, W0PBX, Cliff Horne, that repaired tractors and mentioned my exploits in radio when I was 7 years old and he gave me a key. An old Lionell key. Yeh the same people that made the model trains post WWII, it was great, A J38. I tapped on it but could not learn code. LOL needed and oscillator and found that by tuning a radio to an AM station tone using bfo (Beat Frequency Oscillatory, injected a tone so you could hear a carrier on an am signal) and keying the speaker yeah the speaker...back then they were dynamic and had an electromagnet for the field core (250 volts on the key) well I had me a damned fine and LOUD code practice oscillator...LOL. Oh what fun that was. Oh but I forgot my first real commercial receiver...the trusty BC454, with one touch of the top of the case you wire 20 KHz off freq. Then I upgraded to the BC348. I bought it from a salvage yard again for $3.49 for shipping. I just paid the shipping because I knew the guy. He sent it with out the tubes but I had plenty of old tubes. Back then minimum wage was 60 cents an hour. That rx was like magic with the xtal filter that you could actually narrow bandwidth. Otherwise just pushing on the case really hard would make the tones sound like an electric guitar foot pedal. I used that rx because I bought it from a salvage yard. No tubes, and it was wired to be used with a dynamotor at 24 volts. Had to rewire all the tubes filaments in parallel from the series that they were wired in and this was explained in a book with a green cover put out by CQ publishing about surplus equip and how to put it on the air. Then the trusty Command Transmitter was single band but 40 was great back then. Had to use the back socket to put in my xtals because then I was a novice and rockbound at the age of 12-13. Then my first pink slip was when I up graded to a 6146 Eico 720 transmitter and SX 101 Hallicrafters RX. Seems like I was on 40 putting out now a raging 60 watts and second and third harmonics on 14 and 21 came in to the FCC monitoring station in Nebraska. Oh I was scared. So scared that I sold the radio and bought a Gonset G76 transceiver and had great fun then. Finally, Loaded hay all summer and bought a Swan Cygnet 270 B and had to manually switch from Transmit to RX when running CW nets for NTS. Was a NCS for QKS and TCC for CAN EAN liason at 14. Got into girls about then and a job and did not do anything after I got my general for about 18 years was QRT. College, Family, Wife and finally went to Michigan and got in with a bunch of great hams there...AC8W and the late Duck Duck...AKA K8DD Hank. And of course Roy NT8V. Discovered electronic memory keyers then from the AEA company. CK1 and the morsematic. Still have both. They work great. But, Switch to the K1EL usb keyer for computer interface. Nothing better and easier than that. Well again took some time off from radio when I moved back to Topeka Ks. I put up 3 towers and had 3 beams with 40-10 covered with GAIN. Oh what a blast I had. Jobs changed and life changes with the need for income...QRT again and on the road. 16 years QRT this time. All radios and towers and beams sold. Sold the house and bought the fixer up retirement home all one floor for my last house then started working all over the US as a contract relief anesthetist. Went to a hamfest and bought an Elecraft K1 that some one put together. I bought it for RX only to listen to cw...missed it greatly. Best RX I had ever owned. What a miracle in a small box. Was totally amazed. Bought it for 140$$ and it was the 4 band model. I was amazed. Well one Saturday in the cold winter in North Dakota where I was working, I was severely bored and turned on the radio and what would you believe was the SS weekend. Loved contesting, but with 3 watts and no antenna worth squat....well I found some old wire in the trash and hooked about 15 feet of it up across the room and clipped it to the drape of the hotel room on the ground floor and called the stations that were loudest. I had to get on the net to see how to turn on the Automatic antenna tuner, did this, and bingo 3.5 watts out on 40 and 20 meters. In the next 10 hours I worked over 60 contacts with this set up. If any one would have said it was possible...I would have thought them a bold faced liar. Well I was convinced. QRP works!!!. Especially with the K1. The funny part was that I was on the ground floor on the inside concourse of a brick hotel shaped in a U. Was totally amazed. Desided to get back on the air more often. My son bought a K3 and still I had no radio or antenna at home, but I bought an electric crank up tower...have to get the priorities straight. No radio but, I gots a tower. LOL. Well Tower is still horizontal but I run a vertical to a K3S and KTA500 with a Tokyo Hypower amp KFX 1.5. N1MM for logging to an I5 computer with SSHD and they work great. Working on getting a better antenna set up but will address that when the house is paid off and retired...26 months for the house then the aluminum seeds will be planted in the back yard. New beams are in the box and phasing array is used for FD. DX engineering NCC1 and active antennas for RX. It works well. Now another 4 years of work and I will be able to play radio ... heck maybe SO2R and a bit of paper chasing from my city lot antenna farm. Sorry to rattle but I wanted to show the evolution of the radio and tech for me. I failed to mention all the radios in between the ones mentioned but the evolution of radio for me is something that has been great and in the least keeps the Alzheimer's at bay. Vy 73, Morgan Bailey NJ8M On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Morgan Bailey wrote: > Whats this 6146 stuff...what happened to the 1628 or the 807...and not to > mention the trusty 813 and for the big power ...304TL...whoot bring on them > big filament transformers... > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >> On Thu,9/22/2016 8:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> >>> Two thoughts on this . . . >>> >> >> Great observations, Ted! And one more thought, articulated in a novel by >> Thomas Wolfe, published in 1940. The title is "You Can't Go Home Again." >> The meaning of the title is that we can't go back to where we grew up (or >> where we had "a life") and expect it to be the same, because things change >> in many ways. People we knew then have moved on, they have >> grown/changed/evolved, the things that made up the life of that place and >> of those people are different, often VERY different. So we can go back to >> the same physical place, but we can't go back to the life we remembered. >> And it's not that our memory is faulty, but rather that the world has moved >> on. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mbaileycrna at gmail.com >> > > From jack at satterfield.org Fri Sep 23 09:51:21 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:51:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 not working on 3mhz or 14mhz Message-ID: <000601d215a1$91864720$b492d560$@org> Just tried my XG2 on a new radio, it's only working on 7.040 Tried on another radio to confirm it's the XG2, battery is good. Any suggestions to check why it's not working on all three freqs. Jack W4GRJ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 23 10:18:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:18:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 not working on 3mhz or 14mhz In-Reply-To: <000601d215a1$91864720$b492d560$@org> References: <000601d215a1$91864720$b492d560$@org> Message-ID: Jack, The only things that are changed between bands are the crystals and the switch position. If you do not have bad switch contacts (check with an ohmmeter), then you have bad crystals - try resoldering them. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/23/2016 9:51 AM, Jack Satterfield wrote: > Just tried my XG2 on a new radio, it's only working on 7.040 > > Tried on another radio to confirm it's the XG2, battery is good. Any > suggestions to check why it's not working on all three freqs. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 23 10:20:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:20:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: <57E53240.3080706@comcast.net> References: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <57E53240.3080706@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes, most videos are great time wasting mechanisms. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/23/2016 9:46 AM, brian wrote: > Ten lines of text in a news article is being displaced by megabytes of > video. > From danny.higgins at keme.co.uk Fri Sep 23 10:36:16 2016 From: danny.higgins at keme.co.uk (danny.higgins) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:36:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Tracking Upgrades with the K3 Utility? In-Reply-To: <009701d2159b$2cbbe030$8633a090$@net> References: <009701d2159b$2cbbe030$8633a090$@net> Message-ID: It?s also a good way to check the mod status of a second hand rig before you buy it, if you know the serial number. Regards, Danny Higgins, G3XVR From: K5WA From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Sep 23 11:00:49 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 08:00:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic VFO behaviour, Switching bands and freq's In-Reply-To: <1474615977489-7622781.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474214694518-7622624.post@n2.nabble.com> <902750362.15745710.1474276915176.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> <1474615977489-7622781.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Pete, This is very baffling, and is most likely firmware issue. I'll discuss it with customer support right away and will be getting back to you with some questions. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:32 AM, G0PNM wrote: > So, the USB/Serial cable arrived yesterday. Last night, I downloaded the > Utility software and reinstalled the firmware 5.50. All was good, no issues. > So I decided to try the Beta firmware 5.52 and again no problems and the > radio behaved normally so I was overjoyed. I sent an email to Elecraft, > expressing my jubilation that the matter has been resolved. > Fast forward to this morning. I started work this morning at 0800 but was up > early so thought I would have a tune around before leaving home. To my > amazement, the radio behaved as it did before my interventions last night. > Jumping bands, random relay clicks and the frequency readout displaying > weird frequencies such as 249Mhz? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Sep 23 11:31:34 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 08:31:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: <57E53240.3080706@comcast.net> References: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <57E53240.3080706@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6f437ab0-1c3c-74df-b1ae-de121f62fb3a@socal.rr.com> Yes, now we can spend 30 min watching a video with info we could read in one or two minutes: Ugh! Phil W7OX On 9/23/16 6:46 AM, brian wrote: > Ten lines of text in a news article is being > displaced by megabytes of video. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO From w0fm at swbell.net Fri Sep 23 11:36:31 2016 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes In-Reply-To: References: <3E95B3AB-102F-4A70-9429-A26F80B35F2B@alston.com.au> <03892f98-e6ef-957f-b3c5-c3becea27d14@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <003801d215b0$42aa7360$c7ff5a20$@swbell.net> I agree, Eric. I started in ham radio in 1962. I love tapping into the new technology but it's not as easy as you grow older. My son continues to beat me up over the fact that I still have my newspaper delivered every day. Tramping through the snow and rain to retrieve it. Sometimes it's wet and it gets thinner of content each week. But I'd much prefer plopping into my big leather chair with my morning paper than trying to read the same thing on a computer screen. Same goes for books, magazines and instruction manuals. Works for me. Terry, W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Eric J [mailto:eric_csuf at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:15 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DATA-A tx freq offset with digital modes You haven't adjusted to on-screen technology, because paper technology is familiar. That was the main point I saw in Guy's note. Many of us hams are hung up on analog technology, and some of us insist on imposing this on digital technology such as the K3. We want the K3 to work like the old analog stuff did/does. Older people have to relearn things to deal with new technology as new technology. Younger people who grow up on the new digital technology will likely do the same thing when they are older and technology again changes. I wrote professionally for half my life (autos and motorcycles). I started on a manual typewriter then an electric. When the TRS-80 came out and Michael Shrayer's Electric Pencil became available, I switched completely to composing, editing and submitting electronically by about 1980. Affordable printers were crappy 40 column thermal dot matrix at first, then mostly paper dot-matrix. I learned to do as much as I could on the screen to avoid those abysmal printers. It turned out to be a good decision. All that said, I love my analog (mostly) technology K2's. hi. Eric KE6US From w4grj at satterfield.org Fri Sep 23 12:26:08 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj at satterfield.org) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 12:26:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 not working on 3mhz or 14mhz In-Reply-To: References: <000601d215a1$91864720$b492d560$@org> Message-ID: Don, Touched the xtal solder points, that did the trick. TNX Jack W4GRJ On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Jack, The only things that are changed between bands are the crystals and the switch position. If you do not have bad switch contacts (check with an ohmmeter), then you have bad crystals - try resoldering them. 73, Don W3FPR > On 9/23/2016 9:51 AM, Jack Satterfield wrote: > Just tried my XG2 on a new radio, it's only working on 7.040 > > Tried on another radio to confirm it's the XG2, battery is good. Any > suggestions to check why it's not working on all three freqs. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 12:38:35 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:38:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: KXPA100 and KXPACBL For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66BFC72A-86FD-463B-82C4-A8CD20F1291B@gmail.com> Folks, For whatever reason, I forgot to add that the KXPA100 *includes* the ATU. It is a factory-assembled unit and also includes the manuals. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Sep 23, 2016, at 08:37, Joel Black wrote: > > Life changes. Interests wax and wane. I'm more interested in triathlons and training than I am amateur radio. Been a ham since 1992 and decided at age 48 that, for me, there's more to life than sitting at a desk behind a computer or radio. I need to get outside more with my wife and youngest daughter and after my first sprint a couple of weeks ago on a mountain bike, I decided I need a road bike. Therefore, I am selling the above. > > Cost is $1050 to your door. This price is firm and I don't want trades. I will accept PayPal, USPS MO, or cashier's check drawn on a US bank. US shipping only. If you want to call and discuss, call me at 205-535-2070. > > Oh, I am keeping my KX3 / PX3. ? > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > From kk5f at earthlink.net Fri Sep 23 12:45:02 2016 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) Message-ID: <17131882.1474649103279.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Morgan / NJ8M wrote: > I made a miss key ... 1625 not 1628. Yep...in fact there was never a 1628. The 1625 is a 12.6v 807, with different base. > ...then there was the magic EYE of the ARK 5 command transmitter. That's the 1629. The equipment nomenclature is AN/ARC-5 (or ARA/ATA or SCR-274-N): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/ARC-5 The transmitters use a 1626 MO, two 1625 PA, and a 1629 cal indicator. There are many many of these sets, often in near original military configuration except for some capacitor replacement, in use *today* by those who appreciate vintage technology and history. The users accept that it won't be K3S performance. :-) > ...it was great, A J38. The J-38 is a Morse training set key. The J-37 was used with Morse communications sets. > I forgot my first real commercial receiver...the trusty BC454, with one touch > of the top of the case you wire 20 KHz off freq. The BC-454-B (3.0 to 6.0 MHz, A1/A2/A3) is not a commercial set, but a USAAF version from the command sets mentioned above...the SCR-274-N set. If your BC-454-B drifted that much, something was very very wrong with it. It was designed for use in all aircraft types under extreme mechanical vibration stress under gross temperature changes. It was pilot-tuned via a long flexible shaft. Its entire range was in seven inches of dial travel, so selectivity was deliberately very poor by post-war standards. > Then I upgraded to the BC348. The USAAC/AAF BC-348-* receiver (200 to 500, 1.5 to 18.0 MHz) is basically a 1936 RCA design. It was the finest aircraft radio receiver in the world during WWII. A few remained in USAF service into early 1970s. I like the idea of a KX2 communicating effectively with a 75-year-old BC-696-A (3.0-4.0 MHz) transmitter and associated BC-454-B receiver. The latest sets like the KX2 and KX3 may be appreciated much more with knowledge of antecedent technology. The same can be said of new and (likely) transient communications modes. To borrow from Ecclesiastes 1:4: "One ham fad passeth away, and another ham fad cometh: but CW abideth for ever." Mike / KK5F [With one other old-time quirk that the modern crowd doesn't share: I just can not purchase a commercial HF ham rig that lacks schematics. That violates all my ham instincts. :-) ] From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Fri Sep 23 12:48:05 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:48:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking For Rework Eliminator Option Bypass Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert, in the reply's did you find more than one set ? I'm starting on a project to upgrade my original K2 (sn 096) and those might be real handy for that project ... Niel WA7SSA On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Robert Forster wrote: > I found a set. Thank you to everyone who responded. Looking forward > to sharing my trials and tribulations with the list as I start my > largest kit build to date! > > 73, > Robert > AD0TA > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Robert Forster > wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> First time poster to the group. >> I've been looking at building a K2 to use as an IF rig and I'm really >> close to pulling the trigger. I'd like to build this rig with the >> bypass headers from unpcbs.com but it seems they are sold out and not >> anticipating another run. I'd like to build this rig so it is as >> flexible as possible so if anyone has a spare set they would like to >> sell please contact me off list. >> >> Thanks and 73, >> Robert >> AD0TA >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> === >> I could tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it. >> === > > > > -- > === > I could tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it. > === > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com > From holgerschurig at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 12:59:54 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:59:54 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 stopped answering to serial commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Follow up: the KXUSB3 cable was faulty according to QRP Project. Got a new one, now everything works again. 2016-09-07 0:05 GMT+02:00 iain macdonnell - N6ML : > On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Holger Schurig > wrote: > > - yes, it echos back one character at a time, like I'm typing > > > > - yes, it echos back even when I enter random characters. > > Does the echo happen if the KX3 is connected but not powered on? > > > > I opened my KX3 and removed the the shielding (Battery retainer). Then I > > measured at J3 (ACC1). Imagine that the ACC1 is positioned towards the > left, > > then the lower-right and the right pins of J3 have a connection > according to > > my Multimeter. But I think that is the switch that is inside the socket. > > Yes, I see the same thing, but only when there is nothing plugged in. > The schematic shows a switch connected to (unused) pin 4. > > A simpler test might be to use a stereo audio cable, plugged into ACC1 > - measure between the tip and ring at the other end. I see a few > M-ohms there in both directions... > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > From holgerschurig at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 13:12:12 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:12:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR Message-ID: Hi ho, I want to programmatically get the SWR, or at least an approximation of the SWR via the serial cable. I found an old application kx3swr.py (http://robert.butera.org/?p=380), but somehow this one returned always 0.0 as SWR back, which I didn't really believe. Basically the program does this: select ATU menu: MN023; turn ATU to bypass: MP001; turn menu off: SWT09; set frequency: FA ... ; wait a bit turn TUNE button: SWH16; wait a bit get VFO data: DS; try to decipher it release TUNE button: SWT16; However, my KX3 with firmware 2.38 always returns DS@@@@@>>@; as response. Even when I do the steps manually. Did this change with some recent firmware update, or did I miss something important? Only when outside of TUNE I get some value, e.g. DS14?60?00. Also, dear Elecraft, in the K3&KX3 Programmers manual you wrote in the BG command description "CWT, SWR, and CMP readings not yet available". How long is "not yet" going to take? :-) Or, dear Elecraft, maybe you implement the RM command like the Kenwood TS850 or TS870 ... (I have found them used in the hamlib source). 73, Holger From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Sep 23 13:16:15 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <187548A9-C3B5-4454-9632-B9ED24F1FDF7@wunderwood.org> I recommend the Wizkers app. It is portable across several kinds of computers. http://www.wizkers.io/ In the KX3, you get the SWR by fetching the display characters, then translating them to numbers. Kind of messy. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Holger Schurig wrote: > > Hi ho, > > I want to programmatically get the SWR, or at least an approximation of the > SWR via the serial cable. > > I found an old application kx3swr.py (http://robert.butera.org/?p=380), but > somehow this one returned always 0.0 as SWR back, which I didn't really > believe. Basically the program does this: > > select ATU menu: MN023; > turn ATU to bypass: MP001; > turn menu off: SWT09; > set frequency: FA ... ; > wait a bit > turn TUNE button: SWH16; > wait a bit > get VFO data: DS; > try to decipher it > release TUNE button: SWT16; > > However, my KX3 with firmware 2.38 always returns DS@@@@@>>@; as response. > Even when I do the steps manually. Did this change with some recent > firmware update, or did I miss something important? Only when outside of > TUNE I get some value, e.g. DS14?60?00. > > > Also, dear Elecraft, in the K3&KX3 Programmers manual you wrote in the BG > command description "CWT, SWR, and CMP readings not yet available". How > long is "not yet" going to take? :-) > > Or, dear Elecraft, maybe you implement the RM command like the Kenwood > TS850 or TS870 ... (I have found them used in the hamlib source). > > > 73, Holger > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wlbaber at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 23 13:21:57 2016 From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> I'd just like to know how an ADC works and produces some measurable form of dynamic range that I can associate with what I do know and learned about dynamic range. I got started with Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur, published in 1977, where I learned about the concept of roofing filter but the concept didn't have a name. Wes and Doug were producing 100 db two tone dynamic range receivers in their homes, back in the day. Then I got hold of Wes Hayward's book and learn more about how to test receivers. I don't enjoy radio when someone seems to explain something that is so complicated mathematically that I don't understand in comparison to what I do know, or how I enjoy what I do know. A true paradigm shift will be able to explain the new technology in terms of some mutually comparable variable that includes the old technology. For example, I do not yet understand how Flex radio can top the chart of Sherwood's receiver table based on how two tone dynamic range is measured when I also know that Flex radio is a direct conversion radio without a way of separating the two tones of two tone dynamic range in the way that superhets do. Yes, I understand that signal separation is a delayed output based on signal sampling by the ADC but how does that process relate to two tone dynamic range? Flex radio numbers in that chart do not make sense to me in comparison to the superhet receiver numbers that do make sense to me. Am I simply an Elecraft nut when it seems by the numbers that K3 should be ranked first (based on MDS AND dynamic range), and that there needs to be some type of conversion based on two-tone dynamic range to know where the Flex-type ADC radios would rank? Ok, so I am a nut. 73, Will wj9b CWops #1085 CWA Advisor levels II and III http://cwops.org/ -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 9/23/16, Mike Morrow wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Date: Friday, September 23, 2016, 10:45 AM Morgan / NJ8M wrote: > I made a miss key ... 1625 not 1628. Yep...in fact there was never a 1628.? The 1625 is a 12.6v 807, with different base. > ...then there was the magic EYE of the ARK 5 command transmitter. That's the 1629.? The equipment nomenclature is AN/ARC-5 (or ARA/ATA or SCR-274-N): ???https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/ARC-5 The transmitters use a 1626 MO, two 1625 PA, and a 1629 cal indicator. There are many many of these sets, often in near original military configuration except for some capacitor replacement, in use *today* by those who appreciate vintage technology and history.? The users accept that it won't be K3S performance. :-) > ...it was great, A J38. The J-38 is a Morse training set key.? The J-37 was used with Morse communications sets. > I forgot my first real commercial receiver...the trusty BC454, with one touch > of the top of the case you wire 20 KHz off freq. The BC-454-B (3.0 to 6.0 MHz, A1/A2/A3) is not a commercial set, but a USAAF version from the command sets mentioned above...the SCR-274-N set.? If your BC-454-B drifted that much, something was very very wrong with it.? It was designed for use in all aircraft types under extreme mechanical vibration stress under gross temperature changes.? It was pilot-tuned via a long flexible shaft.? Its entire range was in seven inches of dial travel, so selectivity was deliberately very poor by post-war standards. > Then I upgraded to the BC348. The USAAC/AAF BC-348-* receiver (200 to 500, 1.5 to 18.0 MHz) is basically a 1936 RCA design.? It was the finest aircraft radio receiver in the world during WWII.? A few remained in USAF service into early 1970s. I like the idea of a KX2 communicating effectively with a 75-year-old BC-696-A (3.0-4.0 MHz) transmitter and associated BC-454-B receiver.? The latest sets like the KX2 and KX3 may be appreciated much more with knowledge of antecedent technology.? The same can be said of new and (likely) transient communications modes. To borrow from Ecclesiastes 1:4:? "One ham fad passeth away, and another ham fad cometh: but CW abideth for ever." Mike / KK5F [With one other old-time quirk that the modern crowd doesn't share:? I just can not purchase a commercial HF ham rig that lacks schematics.? That violates all my ham instincts.? :-) ] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wlbaber at bellsouth.net From va3mw at portcredit.net Fri Sep 23 13:25:14 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) In-Reply-To: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can we get an OT reflector for the Elecraft group? I know you are all wonderful people, but I already get 400 emails a day related to ham radio forums. many 73, mike va3mw From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 13:33:28 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:33:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike? Sounds like you need to choose what forums are most interesting / important to you and curtail those that aren't. 73! Ken - K0PP On Sep 23, 2016 11:25, "Michael Walker" wrote: > Can we get an OT reflector for the Elecraft group? > > I know you are all wonderful people, but I already get 400 emails a day > related to ham radio forums. > > many 73, mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From linxt at comcast.net Fri Sep 23 13:47:26 2016 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Assembled K2 MAB boards available In-Reply-To: <001501d2159f$9b8e66f0$d2ab34d0$@comcast.net> References: <001501d2159f$9b8e66f0$d2ab34d0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20160923104726.7ffe1a62@desktop-1.home> On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:37:19 -0400 "Doug Shields" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Months ago I took on assembling a small lot of the K2 MAB boards. > Life got in the way and it took a lot longer to complete the boards than > anticipated. I now have seven boards completed and available. > > The K2 MAB is a small accessory circuit board for the K2. It combines a > fixed level audio output, a CW tuning indicator, a circuit for keying the K2 > from a computer, and the microphone configuration headers that are > accessible simply by removing the side panel of the radio. Full information > is available at the link below. > > I have seven complete, ready to install boards, with wire for connection > available. The boards are available for $90 each, which includes Priority > Mail postage for the US. International postage will be a bit more. I can > accept payments through Paypal, money order, check or cash. Please let me > know how I can help. > > > > Doug W4DAS > > w4das at comcast.net > > > > General Information: > > http://www.genebitsystems.com/david/K2MiscAccessoryBoard/index.htm > > Manual: > > http://www.genebitsystems.com/david/K2MiscAccessoryBoard/K2_Misc_Accessory_B > oard_V1.1_Manual_3-20-2014.pdf > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg7cfc at fwarc.org Hi Doug, I ish to purchase one (1) of the MAB boards for $90.00. I will pay via PayPal. Any special instructions for that? Thanks, Tom KE7TT -- The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance. The wise man grows it under his feet. - James Oppenheim ^^ --... ...-- / -.- . --... - - ^^^^ Tom Taylor KE7TT openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 960 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 40.1, claws-mail 3.10.1 registered linux user 263467 From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Sep 23 13:55:16 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:55:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, Why not build a filter and have it move anything with OT in the title to trash? Such things work for me :-) But here I find the OT stuff often to be of interest. 73, Phil W7OX On 9/23/16 10:25 AM, Michael Walker wrote: > Can we get an OT reflector for the Elecraft group? > > I know you are all wonderful people, but I already get 400 emails a day > related to ham radio forums. > > many 73, mike va3mw From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Sep 23 13:57:02 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:57:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All OT threads get old after 5-10 answers. I'm with Mike. Go off list! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 23, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Hi Mike? > > Sounds like you need to choose what forums are most interesting / important > to you and curtail those that aren't. > > 73! > > Ken - K0PP > >> On Sep 23, 2016 11:25, "Michael Walker" wrote: >> >> Can we get an OT reflector for the Elecraft group? >> >> I know you are all wonderful people, but I already get 400 emails a day >> related to ham radio forums. >> >> many 73, mike va3mw >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Fri Sep 23 13:58:18 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree. The Elecraft one is important to me for my KRC2, W2's, KPA500 and KX2. 73 On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Hi Mike? > > Sounds like you need to choose what forums are most interesting / > important to you and curtail those that aren't. > > 73! > > Ken - K0PP > > On Sep 23, 2016 11:25, "Michael Walker" wrote: > >> Can we get an OT reflector for the Elecraft group? >> >> I know you are all wonderful people, but I already get 400 emails a day >> related to ham radio forums. >> >> many 73, mike va3mw >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 14:10:47 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> >> I know you are all wonderful people, but I already get 400 emails a day >> related to ham radio forums. >> This is much like stepping into the path of a dozen speeding oncoming 18-wheelers, and then complaining that the drivers couldn?t stop in time to avoid turning you into a smudge on the pavement :-) Grant NQ5T From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Sep 23 14:12:46 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:12:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change (OT) In-Reply-To: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1190056693.3709008.1474651317655@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri,9/23/2016 10:21 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote: > I'd just like to know how an ADC works and produces some measurable form of dynamic range that I can associate with what I do know and learned about dynamic range. Hi Will, I think what people are saying is that an email reflector dedicated to a specific topic (like this one) should not be a substitute for studying either classic texts (like the ARRL Handbook or Antenna Book) or for digging on the internet. Wikipedia is a great starting point for many topics. There are plenty of places to study how these radios work. Google is your friend. As to off-topic posts in general -- every computer I've ever owned has a delete key, and it works real well. :) That's the best reason I know of for NOT using digest mode. 73, Jim K9YC From holgerschurig at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 14:18:26 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:18:26 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: <187548A9-C3B5-4454-9632-B9ED24F1FDF7@wunderwood.org> References: <187548A9-C3B5-4454-9632-B9ED24F1FDF7@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Hi Walter, I'm not going to learn NodeJS, npm, gulp and JavaScript to get the SWR out of my KX3 :-) I'd rather learn in a generic way how to get the SWR. I however checked out the source, and in wizkers/oem/radio/www/js/app/instruments/elecraft/driver_frontend.js it does in this.tune = something similar: MN023;MP001;MN255;SWH16;. I didn't found where it sends the DS; command, but the parsing of the DS commands output is is at the end of wizkers/oem/radio/www/js/app/instruments/elecraft_siggen/display_numeric.js. However, if the radio returns DS@@@@@>>@; as response, than there is still nothing to decode. So the question stands: why does my KX3 return "DS@@@@@>>@;", what am I doing wrong? From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Sep 23 14:33:09 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:33:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: References: <187548A9-C3B5-4454-9632-B9ED24F1FDF7@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: I worked on some Python code to do this, but programming the KX3 was pretty flaky. It is easy to get out of sync with the commands and responses. Also, the radio needs varying and undocumented amounts of time to respond to different commands. The program you first linked to is a little more complicated. I eventually just moved the frequency with TUNE enabled instead of shutting it off, moving it, then TXing again. You can find some discussion and my code in the Wizkers forum. http://forum.wizkers.io/t/swr-sweep-with-wizkers-and-kx3/43 The Wizkers code works better than mine. If you want the data, I?d work on getting a data dump from Wizkers. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Sep 23, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Holger Schurig wrote: > > Hi Walter, > > I'm not going to learn NodeJS, npm, gulp and JavaScript to get the SWR out of my KX3 :-) I'd rather learn in a generic way how to get the SWR. > > I however checked out the source, and in wizkers/oem/radio/www/js/app/instruments/elecraft/driver_frontend.js it does in this.tune = something similar: MN023;MP001;MN255;SWH16;. I didn't found where it sends the DS; command, but the parsing of the DS commands output is is at the end of wizkers/oem/radio/www/js/app/instruments/elecraft_siggen/display_numeric.js. However, if the radio returns DS@@@@@>>@; as response, than there is still nothing to decode. > > So the question stands: why does my KX3 return "DS@@@@@>>@;", what am I doing wrong? From pincon at erols.com Fri Sep 23 14:59:42 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: References: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <005101d215cc$a8da5bc0$fa8f1340$@erols.com> I think you mean 1625....... Chas -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Morgan Bailey Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 8:42 AM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Technology Change Whats this 6146 stuff...what happened to the 1628 or the 807...and not to mention the trusty 813 and for the big power ...304TL...whoot bring on them big filament transformers... On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,9/22/2016 8:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > >> Two thoughts on this . . . >> > > Great observations, Ted! And one more thought, articulated in a novel > by Thomas Wolfe, published in 1940. The title is "You Can't Go Home Again." > The meaning of the title is that we can't go back to where we grew up > (or where we had "a life") and expect it to be the same, because > things change in many ways. People we knew then have moved on, they > have grown/changed/evolved, the things that made up the life of that > place and of those people are different, often VERY different. So we > can go back to the same physical place, but we can't go back to the life we remembered. > And it's not that our memory is faulty, but rather that the world has > moved on. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > mbaileycrna at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From holgerschurig at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 16:14:04 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:14:04 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: References: <187548A9-C3B5-4454-9632-B9ED24F1FDF7@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Hi Walter, btw, thanks for all your input! I tried the swr_sweep.py program from this discussion and here I still get only the DS output that doesn't tell me anything: WRITE: MN023; WRITE: MN023;MP001; WRITE: SWH16; WRITE: FA00014000000; WRITE: FA; READ: FA00014000000; WRITE: FA00014000000; WRITE: FA; READ: FA00014000000; WRITE: DS; READ: DS@@@@@>>@; WRITE: SWH16; WRITE: MN023;MP002; Even when I manually set the TX Power to 0.5W and press(hold) the TUNE button and issue the DS command by hand, I don't get anything usable back. Despite I'm seeing an SWR value of 3 in the display. 73, Holger From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Sep 23 16:25:54 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: References: <187548A9-C3B5-4454-9632-B9ED24F1FDF7@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <9A9AE170-5D24-4B14-B6AC-605586EA6CF4@wunderwood.org> I think we?ve hit the limit of my knowledge on this. Sorry. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Sep 23, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Holger Schurig wrote: > > Hi Walter, > > btw, thanks for all your input! > > > I tried the swr_sweep.py program from this discussion and here I still get only the DS output that doesn't tell me anything: > > WRITE: MN023; > WRITE: MN023;MP001; > WRITE: SWH16; > WRITE: FA00014000000; > WRITE: FA; > READ: FA00014000000; > WRITE: FA00014000000; > WRITE: FA; > READ: FA00014000000; > WRITE: DS; > READ: DS@@@@@>>@; > WRITE: SWH16; > WRITE: MN023;MP002; > > Even when I manually set the TX Power to 0.5W and press(hold) the TUNE button and issue the DS command by hand, I don't get anything usable back. Despite I'm seeing an SWR value of 3 in the display. > > 73, Holger From n1rx at comcast.net Fri Sep 23 16:36:53 2016 From: n1rx at comcast.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:36:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tracking Upgrades with the K3 Utility? Message-ID: <5671279246CF4525860D77EE4302BED2@FamilyPC> Unfortunately Bob, It's not feasible to have the K3 utility track and report all of the possible mods that may have been made to an earlier K3. Some of them involved simple component changes or additions that would not be visible to any firmware or software. To keep track of this on my early K3, s/n 559, I printed out the mod instructions or the option install instructions and noted the rig s/n and the date it was installed or the mod performed. I have these going back to 2008 of all the updates I have done on this rig. I know it is a bit late for that for you, but. You could download all the updates that have come out since your rig was produced, and do the same- just note the date that each update was verified as done. Just a thought. 72/73 es GL, Bruce/N1RX From gm0bkc at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 17:16:48 2016 From: gm0bkc at gmail.com (PAUL GM0BKC) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:16:48 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all I have just aquired an lp pan interface but with no cables which is no big deal as I should have plenty around the shack but I'm not sure how to connect it to the radio. I see plenty of info on the net for connection between k3. So hope someone can point me in the right direction as to what I need for connecting to k3s. And also any advice on software. Mny tks Paul gm0bkc From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Sep 23 17:41:59 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:41:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1474666919761-7622818.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Paul, I was just getting around to asking the same question and wonder if we might merge efforts? I have a K3S and P3 with a new LP-PAN 2, hoping to get it working with a ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card and NaP3 software. From there, on to LP-Bridge and CW Skimmer. But if you have other hardware/software thoughts, I'll hold off. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622818.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4sc at windstream.net Fri Sep 23 19:02:49 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:02:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR Message-ID: <7B7A5E63AAA14DAF919826E4739B0F13@z22z28> The commands are being sent too close together. Place a minimum 100ms delay between the SWH16 and following DS command. Do not send any other commands until after second SWH16. Four macros were setup to allow ?manual? delay between commands. I don?t see a direct way to allow a command-command delay in the command tester. Reducing the baud rate may help. Macro 1 FA;DS; Macro 2 DS; Macro 3 SWH16; Macro 4 DS;DS;DS; The following results were realized: FA;DS; FA00007123610;DS at 7?23?1@??;SWH16; DS; DS@@@@1?>I??;DS; DS@@@@1?>I??;DS; DS@@@@1?>I??;SWH16; FA;DS; FA00007123610;DS at 7?23?1@??; DS at 7?23?1@??;SWH16; DS;DS;DS; DS@@@@1?>I??;DS@@@@1?>I??;DS@@@@1?>I??;DS; DS@@@@1?>I??;SWH16; The SWR returned is 1.3-1 as displayed on VFO-A. The @ in the returned data means there is NO data in that byte position. The returned DS data will require ?massaging? to get a proper text string as there is display Icon data mixed in. A KX2 was used for this test, but KX3 should be the same. de Ben W4SC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 23 19:08:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:08:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: <1474666919761-7622818.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474666919761-7622818.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2a22d8d6-d15d-5e1c-6235-44561e1630dd@embarqmail.com> Bret and Paul, If you have the P3, connect the LP-Pan to the IF OUT on the P3. If you have only the K3 (K3S), connect LP-Pan directly to the IF output of the K3. The "rest of the story" is related to LP-Pan and your soundcard and your computer and the computer applications and is appropriate discussion on the LP-Pan Yahoo group. There is a lot of setup information at Larry's website www.telepostinc.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/23/2016 5:41 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I was just getting around to asking the same question and wonder if we might > merge efforts? I have a K3S and P3 with a new LP-PAN 2, hoping to get it > working with a ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card and NaP3 software. From > there, on to LP-Bridge and CW Skimmer. But if you have other > hardware/software thoughts, I'll hold off. > > From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 23 20:41:22 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 00:41:22 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: <2a22d8d6-d15d-5e1c-6235-44561e1630dd@embarqmail.com> References: <1474666919761-7622818.post@n2.nabble.com> <2a22d8d6-d15d-5e1c-6235-44561e1630dd@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <007101d215fc$5fc7b0b0$1f571210$@sbcglobal.net> And don't forget to turn the IF OUT switch on the P3 from OFF to ON. Don't ask how I know. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 11:08 PM To: MaverickNH ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s Bret and Paul, If you have the P3, connect the LP-Pan to the IF OUT on the P3. If you have only the K3 (K3S), connect LP-Pan directly to the IF output of the K3. The "rest of the story" is related to LP-Pan and your soundcard and your computer and the computer applications and is appropriate discussion on the LP-Pan Yahoo group. There is a lot of setup information at Larry's website www.telepostinc.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/23/2016 5:41 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I was just getting around to asking the same question and wonder if we > might merge efforts? I have a K3S and P3 with a new LP-PAN 2, hoping > to get it working with a ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card and NaP3 > software. From there, on to LP-Bridge and CW Skimmer. But if you have > other hardware/software thoughts, I'll hold off. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Sep 23 21:09:26 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:09:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: <007101d215fc$5fc7b0b0$1f571210$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1474666919761-7622818.post@n2.nabble.com> <2a22d8d6-d15d-5e1c-6235-44561e1630dd@embarqmail.com> <007101d215fc$5fc7b0b0$1f571210$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1893971792.1588164.1474679348949.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I was hoping that was my problem, but not so easy. I can't seem to get signal from the P3 to appear on my NaP3 install. I'll post my settings and ask for some advice. Best regards, Bret aka Charles Jessee N4SRN ------ Original Message ------ From: Mark E. Musick [via Elecraft] To: Charles Bret Jessee Sent: September 23, 2016 at 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Lp.pan & k3s And don't forget to turn the IF OUT switch on the P3 from OFF to ON. Don't ask how I know. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto: [hidden email] ] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 11:08 PM To: MaverickNH < [hidden email] >; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s Bret and Paul, If you have the P3, connect the LP-Pan to the IF OUT on the P3. If you have only the K3 (K3S), connect LP-Pan directly to the IF output of the K3. The "rest of the story" is related to LP-Pan and your soundcard and your computer and the computer applications and is appropriate discussion on the LP-Pan Yahoo group.  There is a lot of setup information at Larry's website www.telepostinc.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/23/2016 5:41 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I was just getting around to asking the same question and wonder if we > might merge efforts? I have a K3S and P3 with a new LP-PAN 2, hoping > to get it working with a ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card and NaP3 > software. From there, on to LP-Bridge and CW Skimmer. But if you have > other hardware/software thoughts, I'll hold off. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: [hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html  Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: [hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622821.html To unsubscribe from Lp.pan & k3s, click here . NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622822.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lightdazzled at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 21:40:01 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 21:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2: Sub 100mw power setting? In-Reply-To: References: <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is pretty easy to find inexpensive attenuators to step QRP power levels down to QRPp levels, including at least one I ran across that switches out of line in receive mode. Just a thought! 72 Chip AE5KA On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > Hello, > > I second that! Beeing a 5 Watt Operator for nearly 20 years, I discovered > in the last years the Joy of qrpp down to 0.5 mW . And I can tell you it > works. So I consider 100 mW in CW nearly QRO. In Wspr 200 mW is definitly > Qro and I tx most of the time with 10 mW with the help of a step > attenuator. > > So the control of the power level from the Kx2 down to 1 mW would be a > major improvement. > > 73 de Hajo dl1sdz > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 22:51:48 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:51:48 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Flex SDR panadapter Message-ID: <57e5ea45.055a620a.c9f54.210a@mx.google.com> Listening to a Flex operator making assertions that the k3 exhibited USB spurs, 3khz above the 7.120 frequency being used. I am curious to hear from the learned group here. The k3 in question was using the upgraded synthesizer. Gary From Robin at rmoseley.co.uk Fri Sep 23 22:52:46 2016 From: Robin at rmoseley.co.uk (Robin Moseley) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 03:52:46 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2: Sub 100mw power setting? In-Reply-To: References: <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1799469278.3468951.1474628090859@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A6EA72F34774D999111E3D58D885562@HPi72> at QRP levels, you can easily make a relay bypass, the relays used in the 2m DG8 pre-amp will suffice.. http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/ Robin G1MHU From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 00:30:31 2016 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:30:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Control with K3/100 and K-Pod Message-ID: I searched for other threads covering this question, but I couldn't find anything based on my searching. (my 5 minute effort googling up to see if this has been covered many times) I received a shinny new K-Pod today and was excited to play around with it in the CQWW RTTY where I would be using my K3/100 as an RRC Control to a Remote K2... with the RRC-1258 setup. I just assumed that on the control side, the K-Pod would be transparent and control the control K3/100 and be a pass through to the control side of the RRC-1258. It appears I was wrong... When spinning the K-Pod knob... it does a little VFO control and then stops. A bummer for certain... I clearly missed something some where that explains the fact that there are issues with the K-Pod controlling a K3/100 as the control radio. Or in general the K-Pod won't work with a K3/100 / K3 mini or K30 when hooked up on the control side? By the way... the K3/100 control and remote K3 are running the latest beta 5.52 firmware. Max NG7M -- M. George From rpfjeld at outlook.com Sat Sep 24 02:06:36 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 06:06:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Flex SDR panadapter In-Reply-To: <57e5ea45.055a620a.c9f54.210a@mx.google.com> References: <57e5ea45.055a620a.c9f54.210a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Maybe, but consider that some SDR pan adapters exhibit false images if not properly 'set up'. I can't think of a better description for it. Dick, n0ce On 9/23/2016 9:51 PM, Gary wrote: > Listening to a Flex operator making assertions that the k3 exhibited USB spurs, 3khz above the 7.120 frequency being used. > I am curious to hear from the learned group here. > The k3 in question was using the upgraded synthesizer. > Gary > -- From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sat Sep 24 02:53:36 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 07:53:36 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2: Sub 100mw power setting? In-Reply-To: <7A6EA72F34774D999111E3D58D885562@HPi72> References: <1799469278.3468951.1474628090859.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1799469278.3468951.1474628090859@mail.yahoo.com> <7A6EA72F34774D999111E3D58D885562@HPi72> Message-ID: <003e01d21630$64e646e0$2eb2d4a0$@co.uk> Maybe a little over-engineered... those relays will handle 1kW! 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Robin Moseley >Sent: 24 September 2016 03:53 >To: Chip Stratton >Cc: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2: Sub 100mw power setting? > >at QRP levels, you can easily make a relay bypass, the relays used in the >2m DG8 pre-amp will suffice.. >http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/ > >Robin G1MHU > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From holgerschurig at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 05:02:53 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:02:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: <7B7A5E63AAA14DAF919826E4739B0F13@z22z28> References: <7B7A5E63AAA14DAF919826E4739B0F13@z22z28> Message-ID: Okay, figured it out. I don't have a real dummy load, but a BNC terminator with 50 Ohm. This one is rated for only 0.5W, which I used as PWR setting. The SWR bargraph (while TUNE is active) start to appear when I use a TX power of 0.4W ... 0.5W. However, the SWR display (e.g. "6.6-1") in the VFOA display only appears above 0.7 .. 0.9W PWR setting. From w4sc at windstream.net Sat Sep 24 06:21:04 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 06:21:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: References: <7B7A5E63AAA14DAF919826E4739B0F13@z22z28> Message-ID: <9AC6E334063C44EBA59DF3DD925F3434@z22z28> Holger, Glad you solved the problem. For ?TUNE? hold, I have my KX2 is set to a fixed level (3 Watts) by the TUN PWR menu entry. So the power level issue was masked in my setup. I don?t know what minimum power level is required for an accurate SWR reading, and ATU tuning. The designers may want to comment. For KX3 ref pg 14 in owners reference. The KX3 may be ?fast enough? to not need a delay in your code. The KX2 appears to not be. 73 de Ben W4SC From hstrickner2014 at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 07:20:53 2016 From: hstrickner2014 at gmail.com (Helmut Strickner) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 04:20:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SW update request Message-ID: Subject: Problem with the 'IF' data sent by my new K3S rig. Just got my K3S assembled and still familiarising myself with everything, great product and tremendous effort had been put into everything by all the people involved. Now to my question and request for improvement or fix. The 'IF' data stream sent by the rig is very useful and contains most information anyone would need, however the 29th byte which gives the Transmit status is not updated when the RX/TX status changes. I want to connect an external antenna controller via RS232 to the rig and need the Transmit status updated as soon as the rig goes into transmit or back to receive mode. Now I have to change a control (press CLR or similar) to trigger an IF stream. It would be logical that the change in RX/TX status would trigger an IF stream? Thanks and regards Helmut -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/SW-update-request-tp7622831.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Sep 24 08:28:03 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 05:28:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: <1893971792.1588164.1474679348949.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1474666919761-7622818.post@n2.nabble.com> <2a22d8d6-d15d-5e1c-6235-44561e1630dd@embarqmail.com> <007101d215fc$5fc7b0b0$1f571210$@sbcglobal.net> <1893971792.1588164.1474679348949.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1474720083995-7622832.post@n2.nabble.com> I've made a PDF on Dropbox with Screen Captures of my settings https://www.dropbox.com/s/1y7mnn3cpf4kukp/16-09-24%20LP%20Pan%20K3S%20P3%20U7.pdf?dl=0 Appreciate advice! Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622832.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Sep 24 08:58:05 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer iPhone) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 07:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] How to get SWR In-Reply-To: References: <7B7A5E63AAA14DAF919826E4739B0F13@z22z28> Message-ID: <84A34EFB-042A-4BF8-BA1D-9CCB20D67F45@roadrunner.com> All diode-based SWR bridges have significant error at lower power levels. I suggest the use of 3W or higher for TUN PWR. 73! -Matt Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein [iPhone] > On Sep 24, 2016, at 04:02, Holger Schurig wrote: > > Okay, figured it out. > > I don't have a real dummy load, but a BNC terminator with 50 Ohm. This one > is rated for only 0.5W, which I used as PWR setting. > > The SWR bargraph (while TUNE is active) start to appear when I use a TX > power of 0.4W ... 0.5W. However, the SWR display (e.g. "6.6-1") in the > VFOA display only appears above 0.7 .. 0.9W PWR setting. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com From fcady at montana.edu Sat Sep 24 12:44:42 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:44:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod LED control Message-ID: Does firmware 5.52 work to control the K-Pod LEDs with the KPLEDnON/OFF commands? I'm not getting it to work. Is there firmware that needs to be loaded into the K-Pod. Cheers all, Fred KE7X From ron at cobi.biz Sat Sep 24 13:06:31 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Flex SDR panadapter In-Reply-To: References: <57e5ea45.055a620a.c9f54.210a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001801d21685$ffb6fed0$ff24fc70$@biz> If you don't have a second receiver in the shack to listen for yourself, how about asking someone else to listen for the spur? If you use a local receiver, be sure it has a dummy load connected and the main signal on the intended frequency is NOT overloading it - a maximum reading of 10 or 20 dB over S-9 is a good top limit. Too much RF can produce lots of false signals in the receiver. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Fjeld Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 11:07 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Flex SDR panadapter Maybe, but consider that some SDR pan adapters exhibit false images if not properly 'set up'. I can't think of a better description for it. Dick, n0ce On 9/23/2016 9:51 PM, Gary wrote: > Listening to a Flex operator making assertions that the k3 exhibited USB spurs, 3khz above the 7.120 frequency being used. > I am curious to hear from the learned group here. > The k3 in question was using the upgraded synthesizer. > Gary > -- ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 13:54:01 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:54:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Flex SDR panadapter In-Reply-To: <001801d21685$ffb6fed0$ff24fc70$@biz> References: <57e5ea45.055a620a.c9f54.210a@mx.google.com> <001801d21685$ffb6fed0$ff24fc70$@biz> Message-ID: For listening for weirds on my own TX signal, I use my internal battery K2/10, connected to *nothing* else and using internal speaker. This was very helpful a while back when I was accused of transmitting key clicks with my K3/8410 combo. Accuser also said I was 30 over 9 at his place. Locals could not hear them. But I *could* with my K2. Did not hear them if I switched to my 3-1000Z amp. Trouble turned out to be the electronic bias setting in the 8410, which reduces finals idling current when not actually transmitting RF. I dialed back that setting until the "mild" clicks went away on my K2. Now cuts down some on idle current, but not nearly so much and no discernible clicks in my K2. Basic K2/10 with internal battery is a very useful instrument. I once used it with a rubber ducky to find a break in a stretch of buried RG6. Got it to within a few inches, with 5 watts from the owner's K3 on the line steady. Had been stretched to snapping center conductor when a tractor drove over it when ground was saturated by days of rain. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > If you don't have a second receiver in the shack to listen for yourself, > how > about asking someone else to listen for the spur? > > If you use a local receiver, be sure it has a dummy load connected and the > main signal on the intended frequency is NOT overloading it - a maximum > reading of 10 or 20 dB over S-9 is a good top limit. Too much RF can > produce > lots of false signals in the receiver. > > 73 Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Richard Fjeld > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 11:07 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Flex SDR panadapter > > Maybe, but consider that some SDR pan adapters exhibit false images if not > properly 'set up'. I can't think of a better description for it. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 9/23/2016 9:51 PM, Gary wrote: > > Listening to a Flex operator making assertions that the k3 exhibited USB > spurs, 3khz above the 7.120 frequency being used. > > I am curious to hear from the learned group here. > > The k3 in question was using the upgraded synthesizer. > > Gary > > > > -- > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Sep 24 14:02:25 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod LED control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fred, 5.52 is what you need on the K3. But the K-Pod also needs new firmware, which we'll send you on Monday. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:44 AM, "Cady, Fred" wrote: > Does firmware 5.52 work to control the K-Pod LEDs with the KPLEDnON/OFF commands? I'm not getting it to work. Is there firmware that needs to be loaded into the K-Pod. > > Cheers all, > > Fred KE7X > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From softblue at windstream.net Sat Sep 24 15:16:00 2016 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:16:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - RF Gain / S-Meter Message-ID: <000001d21698$1640c7f0$42c257d0$@windstream.net> I have an early, but updated K3. I used to be one who thought the K3 was often uncomfortable to listen to. In the recent past while I have reset my AGC values AND started cutting back the RF Gain. For me this has made all the difference in listenability. However I find something curious with the action of the K3 S-Meter relative to the RF Gain setting. My daytime 40 meter background noise level runs S-6 and sometimes S-7 with the RF Gain full clockwise. That's per the K3 S-Meter which is calibrated with the XG1 on 40 meters. When I turn the RF Gain counterclockwise (down) the S-Meter reading of background noise drops down to about S-4/5 when the knob is at about 1:30. This seems to be a sweet spot from a couple of points of view. Obviously background noise coming through the speaker is less. Signals above the noise level continue to come through fine. Turning the RF Gain further counterclockwise causes the S-Meter reading to rise as expected. The sweet spot seems to may vary a little by band / background noise level. This action of the S-Meter relative to the RF Gain is different from what I have experienced with previous radios. I can understand the S-Meter not 'rising' while the RF Gain is turned down...until the RF Gain action begins to exceed the full CW reading, but I don't understand it lowering the S-Meter level while moving CCW...to a point and then rising. In my experience with analog radios don't recall encountering a dip in S-Meter reading when the RF Gain is turned down. Perhaps this is common in the K3, but it is new to me. I find it easy to tune to a dead spot on the band and find the null in the S-Meter level. I do really enjoy listening now in this sweet spot area and it seems I'm listening to 12dB or so less noise. Is this common for the K3 and is it somehow different from other / analog rigs? Dick - KA5KKT From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Sep 24 17:14:39 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:14:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: <1474720083995-7622832.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474666919761-7622818.post@n2.nabble.com> <2a22d8d6-d15d-5e1c-6235-44561e1630dd@embarqmail.com> <007101d215fc$5fc7b0b0$1f571210$@sbcglobal.net> <1893971792.1588164.1474679348949.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <1474720083995-7622832.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1474751679802-7622838.post@n2.nabble.com> As an added note, I've looked to adjust Line In Levels on the Xonar U7 as per http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html using the Digital Level Meter app. I find that the Elecraft Signal Generator XG3 -73dBm 14.02000 MHz signal shows on my P3 as a -81 dB peak on CW (and I hear it on the K3S headphones), but I find no change in turning the XG3 On/OFF while adjusting the full range of Line In Level on the U7 sound card (dB ranges -33.3 to -27 with or without XG3 signal). If I switch my PC to the U7, I can hear YouTube videos, so I think my U7 is OK. If I run from IF Out on the K3S rather than the P3, still no success, so the P3 IF Out appears to not be the issue. Might be the LP-PAN 2 not be working? I'm only more mystified... Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622838.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From emoss98133 at msn.com Sat Sep 24 17:47:27 2016 From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:47:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - RF Gain / S-Meter In-Reply-To: <000001d21698$1640c7f0$42c257d0$@windstream.net> References: <000001d21698$1640c7f0$42c257d0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1474753647427-7622839.post@n2.nabble.com> I brought this up way back in 2011 see: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/RF-gain-sweet-spot-td6604787.html#a6607729 Ed KD7PY ex K7WIA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-RF-Gain-S-Meter-tp7622837p7622839.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA Sat Sep 24 18:15:10 2016 From: Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA (Ellam, Timothy St. J.) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:15:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sale K3/0 Message-ID: <8A95468E87A3074D92B72ACDE23B495B7188902C@CANEXMBR02.firm.internal> Hello I have an Elecraft K3/0 (old style with the full size case) that is surplus to my needs. $375 shipped in NA. 73 Tim VE6SH ________________________________ This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure. No waiver whatsoever is intended by sending this e-mail which is intended only for the named recipient(s). Unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of this e-mail. Our privacy policy is available at www.mccarthy.ca. Click here to unsubscribe from commercial electronic messages. Please note that you will continue to receive non-commercial electronic messages, such as account statements, invoices, client communications, and other similar factual electronic communications. Suite 5300, TD Bank Tower, Box 48, 66 Wellington Street West, Toronto, ON M5K 1E6 From ron at cobi.biz Sat Sep 24 18:15:59 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:15:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - RF Gain / S-Meter In-Reply-To: <000001d21698$1640c7f0$42c257d0$@windstream.net> References: <000001d21698$1640c7f0$42c257d0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <000b01d216b1$3adab580$b0902080$@biz> Interesting Dick. I can't duplicate that on mine. Once I reduce the RF gain manually to the point where the AGC is holding the gain the S-meter starts to rise smoothly to max at min RF gain as expected. Perhaps there's some combination of the setting of the AGC slope or perhaps if you have an AGC HOLD delay set you're seeing the noise level drop as you reduce your RF Gain before the hold delay expires. Whatever it is, it sounds like time to save that configuration, if you've not done so already, Hi! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dickinson Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - RF Gain / S-Meter I have an early, but updated K3. I used to be one who thought the K3 was often uncomfortable to listen to. In the recent past while I have reset my AGC values AND started cutting back the RF Gain. For me this has made all the difference in listenability. However I find something curious with the action of the K3 S-Meter relative to the RF Gain setting. My daytime 40 meter background noise level runs S-6 and sometimes S-7 with the RF Gain full clockwise. That's per the K3 S-Meter which is calibrated with the XG1 on 40 meters. When I turn the RF Gain counterclockwise (down) the S-Meter reading of background noise drops down to about S-4/5 when the knob is at about 1:30. This seems to be a sweet spot from a couple of points of view. Obviously background noise coming through the speaker is less. Signals above the noise level continue to come through fine. Turning the RF Gain further counterclockwise causes the S-Meter reading to rise as expected. The sweet spot seems to may vary a little by band / background noise level. This action of the S-Meter relative to the RF Gain is different from what I have experienced with previous radios. I can understand the S-Meter not 'rising' while the RF Gain is turned down...until the RF Gain action begins to exceed the full CW reading, but I don't understand it lowering the S-Meter level while moving CCW...to a point and then rising. In my experience with analog radios don't recall encountering a dip in S-Meter reading when the RF Gain is turned down. Perhaps this is common in the K3, but it is new to me. I find it easy to tune to a dead spot on the band and find the null in the S-Meter level. I do really enjoy listening now in this sweet spot area and it seems I'm listening to 12dB or so less noise. Is this common for the K3 and is it somehow different from other / analog rigs? Dick - KA5KKT From kevinr at coho.net Sat Sep 24 21:40:30 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 18:40:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Good Evening, Propagation is a little better this week. The sun has been actively tossing solar streams at the ionosphere adding enough ions to help us. Not very many sunspots but the change in sun angle and the shortening season is helping too. Aurora are present if the skies ever clear. As I was bucking up a large tree my wandering mind started making connections. Each cut ring of the tree was one year - Sand County Almanac - obituary of a friend - Erd?s number. I then realized while my Erd?s number is slightly less than infinite my Aldo Leopold number is 2. There is good reason I like being in the woods :) Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Sep 24 22:48:37 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 19:48:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - RF Gain / S-Meter In-Reply-To: <000001d21698$1640c7f0$42c257d0$@windstream.net> References: <000001d21698$1640c7f0$42c257d0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <8fe563f3-7385-25e7-c54a-997a135b9387@triconet.org> Have you done the "RF" (really i-f) gain calibration? If not, any wackiness you see is unsurprising. On 9/24/2016 12:16 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote: > I have an early, but updated K3. I used to be one who thought the K3 was > often uncomfortable to listen to. In the recent past while I have reset my > AGC values AND started cutting back the RF Gain. For me this has made all > the difference in listenability. However I find something curious with the > action of the K3 S-Meter relative to the RF Gain setting. > > My daytime 40 meter background noise level runs S-6 and sometimes S-7 with > the RF Gain full clockwise. That's per the K3 S-Meter which is calibrated > with the XG1 on 40 meters. When I turn the RF Gain counterclockwise (down) > the S-Meter reading of background noise drops down to about S-4/5 when the > knob is at about 1:30. This seems to be a sweet spot from a couple of > points of view. Obviously background noise coming through the speaker is > less. Signals above the noise level continue to come through fine. Turning > the RF Gain further counterclockwise causes the S-Meter reading to rise as > expected. The sweet spot seems to may vary a little by band / background > noise level. > > This action of the S-Meter relative to the RF Gain is different from what I > have experienced with previous radios. I can understand the S-Meter not > 'rising' while the RF Gain is turned down...until the RF Gain action begins > to exceed the full CW reading, but I don't understand it lowering the > S-Meter level while moving CCW...to a point and then rising. In my > experience with analog radios don't recall encountering a dip in S-Meter > reading when the RF Gain is turned down. > > Perhaps this is common in the K3, but it is new to me. I find it easy to > tune to a dead spot on the band and find the null in the S-Meter level. I > do really enjoy listening now in this sweet spot area and it seems I'm > listening to 12dB or so less noise. > > Is this common for the K3 and is it somehow different from other / analog > rigs? > > > Dick - KA5KKT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From hf at dl6dh.de Sat Sep 24 22:50:24 2016 From: hf at dl6dh.de (Henning, DL6DH) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 04:50:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Control with K3/100 and K-Pod Message-ID: <000401d216d7$9151e9d0$b3f5bd70$@dl6dh.de> Hi Max, I thought in the same way as you, using the KPod with the K3/0-Mini. But I encountered the same behavior as you. Elecraft support told me, that the KPod support for remote is on the firmware wish list. Actually 5.52 does not include this routine. I hope, that we will see a solution soon, the KPod is a great tool. Henning, DL6DH --- I searched for other threads covering this question, but I couldn't find anything based on my searching. (my 5 minute effort googling up to see if this has been covered many times) I received a shinny new K-Pod today and was excited to play around with it in the CQWW RTTY where I would be using my K3/100 as an RRC Control to a Remote K2... with the RRC-1258 setup. I just assumed that on the control side, the K-Pod would be transparent and control the control K3/100 and be a pass through to the control side of the RRC-1258. It appears I was wrong... When spinning the K-Pod knob... it does a little VFO control and then stops. A bummer for certain... I clearly missed something some where that explains the fact that there are issues with the K-Pod controlling a K3/100 as the control radio. Or in general the K-Pod won't work with a K3/100 / K3 mini or K30 when hooked up on the control side? By the way... the K3/100 control and remote K3 are running the latest beta 5.52 firmware. Max NG7M From SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 24 23:26:08 2016 From: SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com (SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 23:26:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 has occasional snap, crackle, & pop Message-ID: <9D4646EC-762B-4B90-AE94-DA2AE2A4EDFB@nc.rr.com> Hi, My K2/10 has an occasional bout with popping static that comes on for a minute or so, attenuates the receive signal while it is happening, then goes away. Might come back again in a couple minutes, or not. Was wondering if anyone has chased down a problem like this in theirs. Radio was recently looked at, configured and aligned. Didn't have any problems after it's checkup, until a few days later. Radio has kat2, knb2, kio2, k160RX, ksb2, and kaf2 options installed. It did have the kbt2 installed, but I felt it was in the way, so I removed it before the last time it went in for a check up. The cure is to turn off radio, wait a few seconds, turn on again. Does not matter the power setting or band or filters engaged, will still happen. Steve/KI4EZL Thank you, Steve From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Sep 25 03:25:15 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s Message-ID: HiDid you set the xonar for line in with the Asus sound utility?Tomva2fsq.com Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: MaverickNH Date: 2016-09-24 5:14 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s As an added note, I've looked to adjust Line In Levels on the Xonar U7 as per http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html using the Digital Level Meter app. I find that the Elecraft Signal Generator XG3 -73dBm 14.02000 MHz signal shows on my P3 as a -81 dB peak on CW (and I hear it on the K3S headphones), but I find no change in turning the XG3 On/OFF while adjusting the full range of Line In Level on the U7 sound card (dB ranges -33.3 to -27 with or without XG3 signal). If I switch my PC to the U7, I can hear YouTube videos, so I think my U7 is OK.? If I run from IF Out on the K3S rather than the P3, still no success, so the P3 IF Out appears to not be the issue. Might be the LP-PAN 2 not be working? I'm only more mystified... Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622838.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From z_kevino at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 07:45:06 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:45:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Control with K3/100 and K-Pod In-Reply-To: <000401d216d7$9151e9d0$b3f5bd70$@dl6dh.de> References: <000401d216d7$9151e9d0$b3f5bd70$@dl6dh.de> Message-ID: My only disappointment is that the KPOD will not allow a macro to change the KPA500 state from STBY to OPER. This is really a limitation of the K3S, but one thing I felt should be absolutely essential, especially when remote. What do y'all think ? --Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! On Sep 24, 2016, at 22:52, Henning, DL6DH > wrote: Hi Max, I thought in the same way as you, using the KPod with the K3/0-Mini. But I encountered the same behavior as you. Elecraft support told me, that the KPod support for remote is on the firmware wish list. Actually 5.52 does not include this routine. I hope, that we will see a solution soon, the KPod is a great tool. Henning, DL6DH --- I searched for other threads covering this question, but I couldn't find anything based on my searching. (my 5 minute effort googling up to see if this has been covered many times) I received a shinny new K-Pod today and was excited to play around with it in the CQWW RTTY where I would be using my K3/100 as an RRC Control to a Remote K2... with the RRC-1258 setup. I just assumed that on the control side, the K-Pod would be transparent and control the control K3/100 and be a pass through to the control side of the RRC-1258. It appears I was wrong... When spinning the K-Pod knob... it does a little VFO control and then stops. A bummer for certain... I clearly missed something some where that explains the fact that there are issues with the K-Pod controlling a K3/100 as the control radio. Or in general the K-Pod won't work with a K3/100 / K3 mini or K30 when hooked up on the control side? By the way... the K3/100 control and remote K3 are running the latest beta 5.52 firmware. Max NG7M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From softblue at windstream.net Sun Sep 25 08:37:33 2016 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:37:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - RF Gain / S-Meter Message-ID: <000501d21729$970e4b00$c52ae100$@windstream.net> Yes.did it last night and now the 'sweet spot' is gone. 73, Dick - KA5KKT >Have you done the "RF" (really i-f) gain calibration? If not, any wackiness you >see is unsurprising. >Wes Stewart From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Sep 25 09:21:30 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 09:21:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 macro wish list Message-ID: I wish there was a macro that would control the KPA500 for OPER/STBY. Then I could put that macro on my Genovation keypad. Sometimes I tap the button on the KPA500 with a back scratcher - a keypad button would be much more elegant. Bill W2BLC - K-Line From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Sep 25 12:32:53 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 09:32:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 macro wish list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you directly connect the controller to the KPA500?s PC serial port, then you can control it in many ways. The only information passed from the K3 to the KPA500 is the band information, using the BAND output signals form the K3. There are no other communications. Thus the K3 cannot tell the KPA500 to change operating modes, or anything else besides band. The opposite direction _is_ supported on a limited basis, which is how band requests are sent to the K3 from the KPA. - Jack Brindle, W6FB > > On Sep 25, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Bill wrote: > > I wish there was a macro that would control the KPA500 for OPER/STBY. Then I could put that macro on my Genovation keypad. Sometimes I tap the button on the KPA500 with a back scratcher - a keypad button would be much more elegant. > > Bill W2BLC - K-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From fcady at montana.edu Sun Sep 25 14:54:08 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 18:54:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod LED control In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks Wayne. Paul sent it to me. Cheers, Fred ________________________________ From: Wayne Burdick Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:02 PM To: Cady, Fred Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod LED control Fred, 5.52 is what you need on the K3. But the K-Pod also needs new firmware, which we'll send you on Monday. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:44 AM, "Cady, Fred" wrote: > Does firmware 5.52 work to control the K-Pod LEDs with the KPLEDnON/OFF commands? I'm not getting it to work. Is there firmware that needs to be loaded into the K-Pod. > > Cheers all, > > Fred KE7X > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From cx7tt at 4email.net Mon Sep 26 10:32:37 2016 From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Flex control knob for K3s or Flex series radio Message-ID: <15999514-4eef-9a8d-da63-63db24073682@4email.net> Used for two months with my K3s and N4PY software/HRD. Works great, no scratches. Excess to my needs as I have K3 K-Pod tuning knob now. $85 includes shipping from Miami to stateside address. See QTH.com #Listing #1288036 for pix. 73 Tom 305-767-1927 HP1XT/CX7TT From eric at elecraft.com Mon Sep 26 11:42:32 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 08:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod LED control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wayne, is the needed k-pod f/w mentioned below released? If not, we need to get this out immediately. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 9/25/2016 11:54 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > Thanks Wayne. Paul sent it to me. > > Cheers, > > Fred > > > ________________________________ > From: Wayne Burdick > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:02 PM > To: Cady, Fred > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod LED control > > Fred, > > 5.52 is what you need on the K3. But the K-Pod also needs new firmware, which we'll send you on Monday. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:44 AM, "Cady, Fred" wrote: > >> Does firmware 5.52 work to control the K-Pod LEDs with the KPLEDnON/OFF commands? I'm not getting it to work. Is there firmware that needs to be loaded into the K-Pod. >> >> Cheers all, >> >> Fred KE7X >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Sep 26 11:50:10 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 08:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod LED control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops! My last email on this thread was just meant for Wayne :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From edouard at lafargue.name Mon Sep 26 11:51:49 2016 From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 08:51:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR MAC In-Reply-To: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> References: <82a23929-5dd0-657c-ca76-a0dcedbac5f4@fmeco.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, I realize I'm pretty late in the thread but... if you are willing to experiment, you can check out my blog post here: http://www.aerodynes.fr/2014/01/08/kx3-gnuradio-spectrum-visualisations/ This uses GNURadio to do really nice looking IQ spectrum visualizations with the KX3. Runs great on the Mac but requires quite a lot of hands-on action :) There is also my own KX3 utility for the mac at wizkers.io/wizkersradio which you should check out - it is open source too :) 73 de ed w6ela On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > I am looking for recommendations on a good SDR application that will run > under Mac OSX. I also have parallels installed with a windows VM, but > don't want anything that runs under windows.. > > What are you Mac users using?.. Fred > > > -- > Fred Moore > WD8KNI > email: fred at fmeco.com > > phone: 321-217-8699 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to edouard at lafargue.name > From juulhome at cox.net Mon Sep 26 12:33:09 2016 From: juulhome at cox.net (Pete Juul) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:33:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KPA500 Message-ID: Elecraft KPA 500 solid state HF / VHF solid state amp. The amp runs 500 watts output on 160 thru 6 Meters. The amp is very clean and works great. On a scale from 1-10 this amp is definitely a 9 +. Price $1950 plus shipping. Contact Terry W7KW at w7kw.terry at gmail.com or via telephone at 602-315-0312 From n8lp at telepostinc.com Mon Sep 26 12:44:30 2016 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 12:44:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57E9506E.2000609@telepostinc.com> Is your LP-PAN 2 set up for K3, ie. does it have the correct xtal? Larry N8LP On 9/26/2016 11:52 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:14:39 -0700 (MST) > From: MaverickNH > To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s > Message-ID:<1474751679802-7622838.post at n2.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > As an added note, I've looked to adjust Line In Levels on the Xonar U7 as per > http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html using the Digital Level Meter > app. I find that the Elecraft Signal Generator XG3 -73dBm 14.02000 MHz > signal shows on my P3 as a -81 dB peak on CW (and I hear it on the K3S > headphones), but I find no change in turning the XG3 On/OFF while adjusting > the full range of Line In Level on the U7 sound card (dB ranges -33.3 to -27 > with or without XG3 signal). > > If I switch my PC to the U7, I can hear YouTube videos, so I think my U7 is > OK. If I run from IF Out on the K3S rather than the P3, still no success, > so the P3 IF Out appears to not be the issue. > > Might be the LP-PAN 2 not be working? > > I'm only more mystified... > > Bret/N4SRN From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Mon Sep 26 12:51:18 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:51:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s In-Reply-To: <57E9506E.2000609@telepostinc.com> References: <57E9506E.2000609@telepostinc.com> Message-ID: <23764572.3176952.1474908651940.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> It was ordered from Telepost for a K3 - no K3S choice so I figured it was the same. Best regards, Bret aka Charles Jessee N4SRN ------ Original Message ------ From: N8LP [via Elecraft] To: Charles Bret Jessee Sent: September 26, 2016 at 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Lp.pan & k3s Is your LP-PAN 2 set up for K3, ie. does it have the correct xtal? Larry N8LP On 9/26/2016 11:52 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:14:39 -0700 (MST) > From: MaverickNH< [hidden email] > > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lp.pan & k3s > Message-ID:< [hidden email] > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > As an added note, I've looked to adjust Line In Levels on the Xonar U7 as per > http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html   using the Digital Level Meter > app. I find that the Elecraft Signal Generator XG3 -73dBm 14.02000 MHz > signal shows on my P3 as a -81 dB peak on CW (and I hear it on the K3S > headphones), but I find no change in turning the XG3 On/OFF while adjusting > the full range of Line In Level on the U7 sound card (dB ranges -33.3 to -27 > with or without XG3 signal). > > If I switch my PC to the U7, I can hear YouTube videos, so I think my U7 is > OK.  If I run from IF Out on the K3S rather than the P3, still no success, > so the P3 IF Out appears to not be the issue. > > Might be the LP-PAN 2 not be working? > > I'm only more mystified... > > Bret/N4SRN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: [hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622856.html To unsubscribe from Lp.pan & k3s, click here . NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Lp-pan-k3s-tp7622817p7622857.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4nz at comcast.net Mon Sep 26 14:19:21 2016 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 14:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W4DXCC/SEDCO Conference in Pigeon Forge, TN Message-ID: <00ea01d21822$815e47c0$841ad740$@comcast.net> Hello Eric, Just wanted to thank you and Elecraft for your support of the just-concluded W4DXCC DX and Contesting Conference. David Shoaf did an excellent presentation as well as answering many questions about Elecraft products from the attendees. I was a fortunate winner of one of the XG3's given as prizes. Thank you! (yes, I also own a K3! :)) See you at Dayton in 2017. 73, Ted W4NZ From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 14:35:55 2016 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 11:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? Message-ID: hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It works fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an "N/A" on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From mbaileycrna at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 15:54:06 2016 From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 14:54:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Technology Change In-Reply-To: <1407D4F3-5536-45C9-957D-CAC4C41BF524@gmail.com> References: <5165dd26-2c6e-fe6a-4a8d-c6d44787a2a3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1407D4F3-5536-45C9-957D-CAC4C41BF524@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone for the kind words that have been sent to me via email. Im 62 yrs old and still love radio as much as when the magic of the fist xtal set that I put together. It is still magic that I can close a switch and broadcast RF and instantaneously some one 5 to 7000 miles away hears me and sends my call back to me. When ever I do this it is a connection to the world, to another person making the magic happen. Over and Over it is like xmas when some one answers my CQ or when I answer someone else. Some of my best times was when I just sit back and listen to 2 or 3 guys in a round table talk on CW. I really enjoy just listening. I can hold my own on CW and copy most of the time in my head and keep notes of name qth, job and kids etc on paper. People are life and most of the qso's beyond equipment and signal report are great. I use an amp to make this happen longer to keep the window of propagation up 30 min to an hour longer, knowing that I may never hear this person again. Now that I use N3FJP ACLOG for logging, I realize I have talked to many people and can pick up where I have left off with them. So. My best advice is use an electronic logger and keep notes in the log. It will make so much better communication. My brain is good but I cant remember everything. Remembering in the log and coming back gives the other operator validation that someone cared enough to take the time and give value to their time from the last QSO. Take this time and be more than an operator, be a caring person that is interested in more than just contesting and making the numbers. There is a time and place for the numbers but in the off times, relaxing, keep a long and you might be surprised how wonderful this is when someone comes back with your name when you call CQ. Hi morgan! always suprises me. Dale Carnegie, once said, "the most beautiful word in the language is the sound of your own name especially when some one else remembers and addresses you." Logging can help with this. After all, there are a few million of us out there looking for the magic. Vy 73, Morgan Bailey NJ8M On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, Roger Stein wrote: > Great read Morgan! Thank you for taking the time to record your historical > experience. > 73, Roger K7SJ/VE1 Halifax NS > First crystal set in the late 50's > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Morgan Bailey > wrote: > > > > I made a miss key, GiGo (for all you fortran non porgramers that means > > Garbage in Garbage out), 1625 not 1628....arggg..then there was the > trusty > > OA3 regular of purple phase noise generator of a mercury vapor > tube...then > > there was the magic EYE of the ARK 5 command transmitter...with the flip > up > > top with the mirror on it...man those were the days when a BA/Weller 30 > > watt iron a few old TV and Radio sets could get you on the air with > about 1 > > pound of solder. What great fun that was...when you could actually take a > > TV apart for the terminal strips and drill out the rivets on the tube > > sockets, bend an aluminum cookie sheet or use oak lath on 1 by 2s for the > > tube base chassis open high voltage on the cathode key and static > generated > > clix that could be heard on any radio in the house...Bring on the > resistor > > across the key and cut down the clix...yeah we have come a long way. Not > to > > mention the 2ft by 4ft dupe sheet for Multi-single contesting for each > > band. Making ladder line because you could not afford the nice round coax > > when you were 12 years old...it cost more than the entire radio rx and > tx. > > using fence wire with oak lath strips cut and drilled then boiled in wax > to > > weather proof, the out put of the tube would load just about any thing. > > Just put a light bulb across the antenna terminals and tune for maximum > > smoke, with the antenna hooked up...or use a neon light close to the feed > > line and do the same when you could afford to buy a ne2 light bulb. > Finding > > one on the farm was hard. Had to get a ride 70 miles away to a Laffyette > > radio store to buy one. OMG found a Wave meter there, used it to tune > after > > that ...was over driven so connected a resistor to the antenna of the > meter > > to bring it in range. Worked DXCC with one 1625 and cw a dipole fed with > > ladder line and coils wound on toilet roll cardboard soaked in waterglass > > then varnished to make them really stiff. All this was before PVC at a > big > > box store. They took down the wire from the telephone poles...yes > telephone > > wire was like 10 gage copperweld wire...got it free for the taking ... > had > > to use a barbed wire fence tool to work with it but once you had it cut > it > > stayed up like forever, the tree would come down first... > > > > I could rattle for hours on the things I did when I was a kid learning > > radio, My first radio was out of a used cubscout book I found at a > library, > > (I was not a scout), that taught me to make (condenser) a capacitor a > razor > > blade (blue blade) detector with a safety pin and a piece of lead from a > #2 > > pencil. I had to get the wire from an audio transformer to wind the coil > > and used a #10 gauge copper wire for the slider to tune the coil (fixed > > capacitor tank, tunable inductor). Then there was the problem of the > > antenna...clipped it on every thing that I could...then finally clipped > it > > on my open bed springs that I slept on and left the radio on the bed side > > table. KOMA Oklahoma city with no batteries all night long...then KNCK > > radio Concordia Kansas during the day. Those are where I got my start. > > > > My dad was talking to a shop mechanic, W0PBX, Cliff Horne, that repaired > > tractors and mentioned my exploits in radio when I was 7 years old and he > > gave me a key. An old Lionell key. Yeh the same people that made the > model > > trains post WWII, it was great, A J38. I tapped on it but could not learn > > code. LOL needed and oscillator and found that by tuning a radio to an AM > > station tone using bfo (Beat Frequency Oscillatory, injected a tone so > you > > could hear a carrier on an am signal) and keying the speaker yeah the > > speaker...back then they were dynamic and had an electromagnet for the > > field core (250 volts on the key) well I had me a damned fine and LOUD > code > > practice oscillator...LOL. Oh what fun that was. Oh but I forgot my first > > real commercial receiver...the trusty BC454, with one touch of the top of > > the case you wire 20 KHz off freq. Then I upgraded to the BC348. I bought > > it from a salvage yard again for $3.49 for shipping. I just paid the > > shipping because I knew the guy. He sent it with out the tubes but I had > > plenty of old tubes. Back then minimum wage was 60 cents an hour. > > > > That rx was like magic with the xtal filter that you could actually > narrow > > bandwidth. Otherwise just pushing on the case really hard would make the > > tones sound like an electric guitar foot pedal. I used that rx because I > > bought it from a salvage yard. No tubes, and it was wired to be used > with a > > dynamotor at 24 volts. Had to rewire all the tubes filaments in parallel > > from the series that they were wired in and this was explained in a book > > with a green cover put out by CQ publishing about surplus equip and how > to > > put it on the air. Then the trusty Command Transmitter was single band > but > > 40 was great back then. Had to use the back socket to put in my xtals > > because then I was a novice and rockbound at the age of 12-13. Then my > > first pink slip was when I up graded to a 6146 Eico 720 transmitter and > SX > > 101 Hallicrafters RX. Seems like I was on 40 putting out now a raging 60 > > watts and second and third harmonics on 14 and 21 came in to the FCC > > monitoring station in Nebraska. Oh I was scared. So scared that I sold > the > > radio and bought a Gonset G76 transceiver and had great fun then. > Finally, > > Loaded hay all summer and bought a Swan Cygnet 270 B and had to manually > > switch from Transmit to RX when running CW nets for NTS. Was a NCS for > QKS > > and TCC for CAN EAN liason at 14. Got into girls about then and a job > and > > did not do anything after I got my general for about 18 years was QRT. > > College, Family, Wife and finally went to Michigan and got in with a > bunch > > of great hams there...AC8W and the late Duck Duck...AKA K8DD Hank. And of > > course Roy NT8V. Discovered electronic memory keyers then from the AEA > > company. CK1 and the morsematic. Still have both. They work great. But, > > Switch to the K1EL usb keyer for computer interface. Nothing better and > > easier than that. Well again took some time off from radio when I moved > > back to Topeka Ks. I put up 3 towers and had 3 beams with 40-10 covered > > with GAIN. Oh what a blast I had. Jobs changed and life changes with the > > need for income...QRT again and on the road. 16 years QRT this time. All > > radios and towers and beams sold. Sold the house and bought the fixer up > > retirement home all one floor for my last house then started working all > > over the US as a contract relief anesthetist. Went to a hamfest and > bought > > an Elecraft K1 that some one put together. I bought it for RX only to > > listen to cw...missed it greatly. Best RX I had ever owned. What a > miracle > > in a small box. Was totally amazed. Bought it for 140$$ and it was the 4 > > band model. I was amazed. Well one Saturday in the cold winter in North > > Dakota where I was working, I was severely bored and turned on the radio > > and what would you believe was the SS weekend. Loved contesting, but > with 3 > > watts and no antenna worth squat....well I found some old wire in the > trash > > and hooked about 15 feet of it up across the room and clipped it to the > > drape of the hotel room on the ground floor and called the stations that > > were loudest. I had to get on the net to see how to turn on the Automatic > > antenna tuner, did this, and bingo 3.5 watts out on 40 and 20 meters. In > > the next 10 hours I worked over 60 contacts with this set up. If any one > > would have said it was possible...I would have thought them a bold faced > > liar. Well I was convinced. QRP works!!!. Especially with the K1. The > funny > > part was that I was on the ground floor on the inside concourse of a > brick > > hotel shaped in a U. Was totally amazed. Desided to get back on the air > > more often. > > > > My son bought a K3 and still I had no radio or antenna at home, but I > > bought an electric crank up tower...have to get the priorities straight. > No > > radio but, I gots a tower. LOL. Well Tower is still horizontal but I run > a > > vertical to a K3S and KTA500 with a Tokyo Hypower amp KFX 1.5. N1MM for > > logging to an I5 computer with SSHD and they work great. Working on > getting > > a better antenna set up but will address that when the house is paid off > > and retired...26 months for the house then the aluminum seeds will be > > planted in the back yard. New beams are in the box and phasing array is > > used for FD. DX engineering NCC1 and active antennas for RX. It works > well. > > Now another 4 years of work and I will be able to play radio ... heck > maybe > > SO2R and a bit of paper chasing from my city lot antenna farm. > > > > Sorry to rattle but I wanted to show the evolution of the radio and tech > > for me. I failed to mention all the radios in between the ones mentioned > > but the evolution of radio for me is something that has been great and in > > the least keeps the Alzheimer's at bay. > > > > Vy 73, > > > > Morgan Bailey NJ8M > > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Morgan Bailey > > wrote: > > > >> Whats this 6146 stuff...what happened to the 1628 or the 807...and not > to > >> mention the trusty 813 and for the big power ...304TL...whoot bring on > them > >> big filament transformers... > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Jim Brown > >> wrote: > >> > >>>> On Thu,9/22/2016 8:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Two thoughts on this . . . > >>> > >>> Great observations, Ted! And one more thought, articulated in a novel > by > >>> Thomas Wolfe, published in 1940. The title is "You Can't Go Home > Again." > >>> The meaning of the title is that we can't go back to where we grew up > (or > >>> where we had "a life") and expect it to be the same, because things > change > >>> in many ways. People we knew then have moved on, they have > >>> grown/changed/evolved, the things that made up the life of that place > and > >>> of those people are different, often VERY different. So we can go back > to > >>> the same physical place, but we can't go back to the life we > remembered. > >>> And it's not that our memory is faulty, but rather that the world has > moved > >>> on. > >>> > >>> 73, Jim K9YC > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to mbaileycrna at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to burch.craft at gmail.com > From stevewa88 at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 03:50:00 2016 From: stevewa88 at gmail.com (Steve Ward) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 00:50:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [K3] Weird behavior on 17m In-Reply-To: <57E86905.2080302@gmail.com> References: <57E86905.2080302@gmail.com> Message-ID: Helps to send to the proper address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Steve Ward" Date: Sep 25, 2016 5:17 PM Subject: [K3] Weird behavior on 17m To: Cc: During the CQWW RTTY contest just concluded I happened to accidentally QSY to 17m and my radio basically locked up in transmit mode, it'd "blip" into RX every second or so, but go right back to TX before I could do anything to stop it. The only way out seems to be the band selector buttons on the KPA500 which allowed me to switch back to 20m. I checked all the other bands and did not observe this behavior, it's only 17m. I'm at a total loss as to what is happening as it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the computer interface (I unplugged the USB cable from the rig and the problem persists). It may be the case the problem has been with me a long time as my antenna is not resonant on 17, so I hardly every go there. Corrupted config or firmware maybe? Thanks, Steve AD7OG K3 sn 1544 From paul.g4kzy at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 06:38:24 2016 From: paul.g4kzy at gmail.com (Radiobeamer) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 03:38:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Poor sensitivity Message-ID: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi group, I bought a used K2 some time ago. I've not used it much but it seemed to work fine. I recently upgraded it with the SSB option and the 60m/transverter option. I had to go through the BFO re-alignment procedure in order to make the filters work properly after installing the SSB option, and this process seemed to work quite well. The added options appear to be working OK and I was able to make a few CW and SSB QSOs. However, I noticed that the S meter was not moving very much so I thought to check the sensitivity. According to the spec we should have a sensitivity (MDS) of something like -130dBm without the preamp and -135dBm with the preamp. I have an HP signal generator and, without being too precise about MDS etc, I was not able to hear anything at all below about -120dBm (ie the signal was completely buried in the noise) and it would probably take -110dBm to -100dBm to be able to copy a signal. This is with the preamp on. So I am looking for reasons why my sensitivity is a bit down, say 20 to 30dB. My K2 has, in addition to the SSB and 60m options, the noise blanker and top band options as well as the KPA100 and KDSP2, which were not in use during these checks. I was able to make the following observations: a) The sensitivity is about the same on all bands which would seem to exclude the 60m module as a potential source of the problem. b) The sensitivity is the same using the separate receive antenna input in the top band option. c) The transverter option does not appear to be causing the problem since I can use it to switch between the transverter input and the normal BNC antenna connection. d) The sensitivity seemed to be slightly better using the SSB filter than the CW filters. By the time the 200Hz crystal filter bandwidth was selected the signal was audibly weaker than using the fixed SSB filter. I'm not all that familiar with the K2 architecture and particularly the alignment procedure. So I should like some advice about the best way to approach this issue. I see that the noise blanker has an IF filter (labelled -6dB) which I imagine could cause a problem like this if it was built incorrectly. I guess it is an easy enough step to remove the option and replace it with a wire link. Assuming that this did not resolve the problem, would I be wise to look for a definite fault (eg in the IF amplifier chain) or to go down the path of complete re-alignment? Can poor alignment (excluding front-end alignment) of the radio cause poor sensitivity? Could this be the reason why the CW filters seem less sensitive than the SSB filter? Bear in mind that there could be an original build fault causing this issue (perhaps a wrongly wound matching transformer, for example). Thanks in advance for your help. Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Poor-sensitivity-tp7622862.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From john at kn5l.net Tue Sep 27 07:00:04 2016 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 06:00:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Poor sensitivity In-Reply-To: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, There is a procedure for estimating MDS documented in the XG3 manual, the "Measuring Receiver Sensitivity" section: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740154%20XG3%20Owner%27s%20Manual%20Rev%20D2%20-%20ECO%2001887.pdf I've performed this test and found my K2 to have a reasonable match. John KN5L On 09/27/2016 05:38 AM, Radiobeamer wrote: > I noticed that the S meter was not moving very much so I thought to > check the sensitivity. According to the spec we should have a sensitivity > (MDS) of something like -130dBm without the preamp and -135dBm with the > preamp. I have an HP signal generator and, without being too precise about > MDS etc, From k2cm.george at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 08:59:28 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:59:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [K3] Weird behavior on 17m In-Reply-To: References: <57E86905.2080302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77BB5FC2-952C-47A2-83D8-B08BC99F4FFC@gmail.com> I have seen this issue with several different radios and traced the problem to RF feedback. When you run high power, RF can get into everything in the world. You will need to do some enhanced grounding and put split-ferrite cores on all cables. I first encountered this while on a dxpedition to Bequia ( St. vincent and the Grenadines) as J8K2CM. I could not get a good ground...so had to limit my power to 25 watts. More power than that and the radio would hang up. I have seen this on both my K3 and Flex 6700. No problem with the barefoot KX3. George K2CM Sent from my iPad > On Sep 27, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Steve Ward wrote: > > Helps to send to the proper address. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Steve Ward" > Date: Sep 25, 2016 5:17 PM > Subject: [K3] Weird behavior on 17m > To: > Cc: > > During the CQWW RTTY contest just concluded I happened to accidentally QSY > to 17m and my radio basically locked up in transmit mode, it'd "blip" into > RX every second or so, but go right back to TX before I could do anything > to stop it. The only way out seems to be the band selector buttons on the > KPA500 which allowed me to switch back to 20m. > > I checked all the other bands and did not observe this behavior, it's only > 17m. I'm at a total loss as to what is happening as it doesn't appear to > have anything to do with the computer interface (I unplugged the USB cable > from the rig and the problem persists). It may be the case the problem has > been with me a long time as my antenna is not resonant on 17, so I hardly > every go there. > > Corrupted config or firmware maybe? > > Thanks, > > Steve AD7OG > K3 sn 1544 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Sep 27 10:58:18 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Poor sensitivity In-Reply-To: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3b2b9235-5c3d-27f9-50a2-845e8734886f@embarqmail.com> Paul, If the sensitivity was OK before adding the KSB2 option, then the KSB2 is the most likely cause. Remove the KSB2 and put a bent wire jumper between pins 1 and 3 of both J9 and J10 and see if the sensitivity improves. If so, re-flow the soldering on the KSB2 board, check the diode orientation and check the leads of T1 and T2 to be sure they were well stripped and tinned. If you need to optimize the filter alignment, take a look at the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website www.w3fpr.com - part 3 of that article covers filter alignment. If it turns out that there is something else wrong, you will have to do Receive Signal Tracing to isolate it to the failing stage. See Appendix A in the manual. It takes a strong signal input to do the checks with an RF Probe. If your HP signal generator is not strong enough to provide the specified input signal level, build the signal generator shown in the manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/27/2016 6:38 AM, Radiobeamer wrote: > Hi group, > > I bought a used K2 some time ago. I've not used it much but it seemed to > work fine. I recently upgraded it with the SSB option and the > 60m/transverter option. I had to go through the BFO re-alignment procedure > in order to make the filters work properly after installing the SSB option, > and this process seemed to work quite well. The added options appear to be > working OK and I was able to make a few CW and SSB QSOs. > > From rfphelps at snet.net Tue Sep 27 11:01:44 2016 From: rfphelps at snet.net (rfphelps) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:01:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 For Sale! Message-ID: <000001d218d0$132b8890$398299b0$@net> For Sale, my KX1 transceiver, s/n 0294: Includes: . KX1 Transceiver . KXPD1 Keyer paddle . KXAT1, Internal Automatic Antenna Tuner . KXB30, 30 meter adapter . All documentation . Plastic carrying case (not waterproof) Rig is in pristine condition! Price: $400.00, which includes shipping in continental US Please contact me off-list at k1sw at ARRL dot net Dick Phelps, K1SW From paul.g4kzy at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 11:22:26 2016 From: paul.g4kzy at gmail.com (Radiobeamer) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:22:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Poor sensitivity In-Reply-To: <3b2b9235-5c3d-27f9-50a2-845e8734886f@embarqmail.com> References: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> <3b2b9235-5c3d-27f9-50a2-845e8734886f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1474989746192-7622867.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi John and Don, Thanks for your responses. Very useful information. for John: Thanks for the link. I'm not sure that my ears really understand what a 30dB S/N ratio sounds like but for sure with well over 1uV input (which is -107dBm) I was not getting what I think of as 30+ dB S/N. With the signal generator down at -120dBm the signal was lost in the noise so I'm quite sure that there is some kind of issue here. I'll hook up the audio to a PC with Spectrum lab and do some measurements. for Don: I used the radio for a few CW QSOs before adding the SSB and 60m/transverter options and I was happy enough with it but I'm not sure if the sensitivity was OK before adding the SSB option. It sounds OK when connected to a decent antenna and you can make contacts well enough (on 40m and 20m). With the noise in a domestic environment and a good antenna you don't need a super-sensitive receiver on those bands! I completed the SSB board last week and I'm confident of my abilities so I'm thinking that (hopefully) the SSB module is good. As you mentioned, it is easy enough to reverse the options mods so I can easily check that. My HP sig gen goes from -136dBm to +7dBm so it can get pretty strong! One bad thing about buying used is that the test probes (frequency and RF signal) didn't come with the radio so I'll have to build some up - I already did the frequency probe to allow the BFO to be aligned. Just need to find a detector diode now ... Also - thanks for all of the great information on your web site Don. I already downloaded your alignment guide. I'll spend some more time troubleshooting and let you know what I find. 73, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Poor-sensitivity-tp7622862p7622867.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ab2tc at arrl.net Tue Sep 27 16:02:27 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:02:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1475006547811-7622868.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; both are affected. AB2TC - Knut jeff stai-2 wrote > hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band > change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It works > fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an "N/A" > on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? > > Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i > > -- > Jeff Stai ~ > wk6i.jeff@ > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Sep 27 19:00:33 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:00:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: <1475006547811-7622868.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1475006547811-7622868.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8C33B32C-DFFF-4F5F-AB8A-9942E12D4139@elecraft.com> XMIT was disabled only for FSK-D and PSK-D data submodes. It can still be used in DATA-A and AFSK-A submodes. There are three ways to transmit in FSK-D and PSK-D modes: 1. Keyer paddle 2. Message play (M1-M4 tap) or message repeat (M1-M4 hold) 3. Text packet from a host computer or macro (see KeYing command, KY) XMIT was disable for FSK-D and PSK-D as part of a much larger firmware makeover having to do with T/R, the USB port, and safe exit from transmit. If you need to test transmit while in these or any other modes, you can do a TUNE. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:02 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. > > Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware > version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; > both are affected. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > jeff stai-2 wrote >> hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band >> change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It works >> fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an "N/A" >> on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? >> >> Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i >> >> -- >> Jeff Stai ~ > >> wk6i.jeff@ > >> Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ >> Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Tue Sep 27 19:22:55 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:22:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: <8C33B32C-DFFF-4F5F-AB8A-9942E12D4139@elecraft.com> References: <1475006547811-7622868.post@n2.nabble.com> <8C33B32C-DFFF-4F5F-AB8A-9942E12D4139@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <4eb38b94-404c-1811-59d9-a9821447c36e@subich.com> On 9/27/2016 7:00 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > There are three ways to transmit in FSK-D and PSK-D modes: *FIVE* ways in FSK-D: 4) assert PTT on the mic jack, rear panel PTT jack or CAT RTS/DTR line if selected 5) Sent TX; to the CAT interface Both are used by common RTTY software (in FSK mode), like MMTTY. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/27/2016 7:00 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > XMIT was disabled only for FSK-D and PSK-D data submodes. It can still be used in DATA-A and AFSK-A submodes. > > There are three ways to transmit in FSK-D and PSK-D modes: > > 1. Keyer paddle > > 2. Message play (M1-M4 tap) or message repeat (M1-M4 hold) > > 3. Text packet from a host computer or macro (see KeYing command, KY) > > XMIT was disable for FSK-D and PSK-D as part of a much larger firmware makeover having to do with T/R, the USB port, and safe exit from transmit. > > If you need to test transmit while in these or any other modes, you can do a TUNE. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:02 PM, ab2tc wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. >> >> Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware >> version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; >> both are affected. >> >> AB2TC - Knut >> >> >> jeff stai-2 wrote >>> hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band >>> change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It works >>> fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an "N/A" >>> on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? >>> >>> Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i >>> >>> -- >>> Jeff Stai ~ >> >>> wk6i.jeff@ >> >>> Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ >>> Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Sep 27 19:26:49 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: <4eb38b94-404c-1811-59d9-a9821447c36e@subich.com> References: <1475006547811-7622868.post@n2.nabble.com> <8C33B32C-DFFF-4F5F-AB8A-9942E12D4139@elecraft.com> <4eb38b94-404c-1811-59d9-a9821447c36e@subich.com> Message-ID: <53F3CB29-4572-45F9-97A5-BC75BE509B91@elecraft.com> What Joe said :) I suppose you could put "TX;" into a switch macro, too, restoring the ability to do this via a front-panel switch. Wayne On Sep 27, 2016, at 4:22 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > On 9/27/2016 7:00 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > There are three ways to transmit in FSK-D and PSK-D modes: > > *FIVE* ways in FSK-D: > > 4) assert PTT on the mic jack, rear panel PTT jack or CAT RTS/DTR > line if selected > > 5) Sent TX; to the CAT interface > > Both are used by common RTTY software (in FSK mode), like MMTTY. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 9/27/2016 7:00 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> XMIT was disabled only for FSK-D and PSK-D data submodes. It can still be used in DATA-A and AFSK-A submodes. >> >> There are three ways to transmit in FSK-D and PSK-D modes: >> >> 1. Keyer paddle >> >> 2. Message play (M1-M4 tap) or message repeat (M1-M4 hold) >> >> 3. Text packet from a host computer or macro (see KeYing command, KY) >> >> XMIT was disable for FSK-D and PSK-D as part of a much larger firmware makeover having to do with T/R, the USB port, and safe exit from transmit. >> >> If you need to test transmit while in these or any other modes, you can do a TUNE. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:02 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. >>> >>> Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware >>> version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; >>> both are affected. >>> >>> AB2TC - Knut >>> >>> >>> jeff stai-2 wrote >>>> hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band >>>> change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It works >>>> fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an "N/A" >>>> on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? >>>> >>>> Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeff Stai ~ >>> >>>> wk6i.jeff@ >>> >>>> Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ >>>> Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From ed at w0yk.com Tue Sep 27 18:37:35 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 18:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? Message-ID: I'm on the latest K3 firmware (5.52?) and the XMIT button continues to work as it always has in all modes, including RTTY. I can't think of what would cause it not to work and display 'N/A'.? I doubt it is unique to the K3s. On Sep 27, 2016 4:02 PM, ab2tc wrote: > > Hi, > > Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. > > Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware > version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; > both are affected. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > jeff stai-2 wrote > > hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band > > change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It works > > fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an "N/A" > > on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? > > > > Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i > > > > -- > > Jeff Stai ~ > > > wk6i.jeff@ > > > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 00:02:19 2016 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:02:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: <20160928032222.E573D149B6B8@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160928032222.E573D149B6B8@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Well, Wayne says it doesn't work anymore. I think I will program a writelog message for one letter. Close enough. 73 jeff wk6i On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ed Muns wrote: > I'm on the latest K3 firmware (5.52?) and the XMIT button continues to > work as it always has in all modes, including RTTY. > > I can't think of what would cause it not to work and display 'N/A'. I > doubt it is unique to the K3s. > On Sep 27, 2016 4:02 PM, ab2tc > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. > > > > Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware > > version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; > > both are affected. > > > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > > > jeff stai-2 wrote > > > hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band > > > change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It > works > > > fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an > "N/A" > > > on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? > > > > > > Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Stai ~ > > > > > wk6i.jeff@ > > > > > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > > > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wk6i.jeff at gmail.com -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Sep 28 00:31:30 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:31:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: References: <20160928032222.E573D149B6B8@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <7423C201-C8DC-43FF-95F6-11BAB87FEC33@widomaker.com> Wayne did not say "It doesn't work anymore. ". He said it no longer works with DATA submodes PSK D & FSK D. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Jeff Stai wrote: > > Well, Wayne says it doesn't work anymore. I think I will program a writelog > message for one letter. Close enough. 73 jeff wk6i > > >> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ed Muns wrote: >> >> I'm on the latest K3 firmware (5.52?) and the XMIT button continues to >> work as it always has in all modes, including RTTY. >> >> I can't think of what would cause it not to work and display 'N/A'. I >> doubt it is unique to the K3s. >>> On Sep 27, 2016 4:02 PM, ab2tc > wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. >>> >>> Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware >>> version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; >>> both are affected. >>> >>> AB2TC - Knut >>> >>> >>> jeff stai-2 wrote >>>> hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band >>>> change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It >> works >>>> fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an >> "N/A" >>>> on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? >>>> >>>> Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeff Stai ~ >>> >>>> wk6i.jeff@ >>> >>>> Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ >>>> Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. >> nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > > > > -- > Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ed at w0yk.com Wed Sep 28 00:37:02 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:37:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? Message-ID: From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 01:28:53 2016 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 22:28:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: <7423C201-C8DC-43FF-95F6-11BAB87FEC33@widomaker.com> References: <20160928032222.E573D149B6B8@mailman.qth.net> <7423C201-C8DC-43FF-95F6-11BAB87FEC33@widomaker.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Nr4c wrote: > Wayne did not say "It doesn't work anymore. ". He said it no longer works > with DATA submodes PSK D & FSK D. What else matters? 73 jeff wk6i > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Jeff Stai > wrote: > > > > Well, Wayne says it doesn't work anymore. I think I will program a > writelog > > message for one letter. Close enough. 73 jeff wk6i > > > > > >> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ed Muns > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm on the latest K3 firmware (5.52?) and the XMIT button continues to > >> work as it always has in all modes, including RTTY. > >> > >> I can't think of what would cause it not to work and display 'N/A'. I > >> doubt it is unique to the K3s. > >>> On Sep 27, 2016 4:02 PM, ab2tc > > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. > >>> > >>> Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware > >>> version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with > K3/K3S; > >>> both are affected. > >>> > >>> AB2TC - Knut > >>> > >>> > >>> jeff stai-2 wrote > >>>> hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto > tune/band > >>>> change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It > >> works > >>>> fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an > >> "N/A" > >>>> on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Jeff Stai ~ > >>> > >>>> wk6i.jeff@ > >>> > >>>> Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > >>>> Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > >> nabble.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html > >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 01:29:23 2016 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 22:29:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: <57eb4907.4b19240a.d0238.8cd0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <57eb4907.4b19240a.d0238.8cd0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: This I do not understand. - j On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ed Muns wrote: > Interesting because it worked fine for me all week. > > 73, > Ed W0YK > On Sep 27, 2016 9:02 PM, Jeff Stai > wrote: > > Well, Wayne says it doesn't work anymore. I think I will program a > writelog message for one letter. Close enough. 73 jeff wk6i > > > On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ed Muns > wrote: > > I'm on the latest K3 firmware (5.52?) and the XMIT button continues to > work as it always has in all modes, including RTTY. > > I can't think of what would cause it not to work and display 'N/A'. I > doubt it is unique to the K3s. > On Sep 27, 2016 4:02 PM, ab2tc > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. > > > > Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware > > version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; > > both are affected. > > > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > > > jeff stai-2 wrote > > > hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band > > > change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It > works > > > fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an > "N/A" > > > on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? > > > > > > Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Stai ~ > > > > > wk6i.jeff@ > > > > > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > > > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabb > le.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 01:33:48 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:33:48 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? In-Reply-To: References: <57eb4907.4b19240a.d0238.8cd0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57eb563c.4607620a.9dd3f.22bd@mx.google.com> I got left at the on ramp :-) -----Original Message----- From: "Jeff Stai" Sent: ?28/?09/?2016 3:31 PM To: "Ed Muns" Cc: "ab2tc" ; "Elecraft" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] XMIT button not working? This I do not understand. - j On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ed Muns wrote: > Interesting because it worked fine for me all week. > > 73, > Ed W0YK > On Sep 27, 2016 9:02 PM, Jeff Stai > wrote: > > Well, Wayne says it doesn't work anymore. I think I will program a > writelog message for one letter. Close enough. 73 jeff wk6i > > > On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ed Muns > wrote: > > I'm on the latest K3 firmware (5.52?) and the XMIT button continues to > work as it always has in all modes, including RTTY. > > I can't think of what would cause it not to work and display 'N/A'. I > doubt it is unique to the K3s. > On Sep 27, 2016 4:02 PM, ab2tc > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Nobody has responded to this so I'll hop in with what I know. > > > > Apparently the XMIT button was disabled for all data modes in firmware > > version 5.47 and all later versions. This has nothing to do with K3/K3S; > > both are affected. > > > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > > > jeff stai-2 wrote > > > hi - I'm used to using this button to nudge the amp into auto tune/band > > > change by toggling it on and off briefly. I am in data/FSK mode. It > works > > > fine on the older K3 but for some reason on the K3S I am getting an > "N/A" > > > on the display and nothing happens. Why would I be getting N/A? > > > > > > Thanks and 73 jeff wk6i > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Stai ~ > > > > > wk6i.jeff@ > > > > > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > > > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabb > le.com/XMIT-button-not-working-tp7622859p7622868.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > > -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From rbudden at easternshoremdre.com Wed Sep 28 16:35:38 2016 From: rbudden at easternshoremdre.com (Richard Budden) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:35:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Email Address Update Message-ID: <3skqGK3JMYzM3Q6@multi326.postfix.bmsend.com> email address change! for over 13-years my email address has been richardbudden at mris.com please note my new email address: [1] rbudden@ easternshoremdre.com [2] eastern shore of maryland real estate.com richard budden, realtor gri coldwell banker chesapeake real estate co. cell (443) 480-1181 home (410) 778-0561 [3] view this email in your browser this message was sent to test at test.com by richard budden 114 s. cross street, chestertown, md, 21620 unsubscribe| manage subscription| forward email| report abuse References: 1. mailto:rbudden at easternshoremdre.com 2. u=67cc8cc 3. http://benchemail.bmetrack.com/c/v?e=A164D8&c=A2ACA&t=0&l=57C607FB&email=S8w9%2BBvoBC9lmvasyS4yNkbAPgZAhAb6NyIeD9VsXLU%3D This message was sent to elecraft at mailman.qth.net by rbudden at easternshoremdre.com You can modify/update your subscription via the link below. 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Can anyone give me a little assistance tnx in advance 73 todd WB2ZAB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Sep 28 18:42:44 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:42:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? Message-ID: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com> It's time to finally start using the K-Pod. I had hoped it might control the P3 as well as the K3s but apparently A P3 function not happening yet. I would though like to assign the functions of the K3s memories M1-M4 to the K-Pod and if someone knows of a page with macros for this & maybe even other nifty Macro treasures, I'd appreciate a link Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From jkiracofe51 at charter.net Wed Sep 28 18:49:59 2016 From: jkiracofe51 at charter.net (jkiracofe51 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:49:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Attn: Jim Brown; KX3 Equalizer & Compression Settings Message-ID: Jim; Several months ago, I inquired on the Reflector about the optimum TX Equalizer and compression settings for best performance on the KX3. You provided excellent feedback but unfortunately, I have misplaced the printout. It would be greatly appreciated if you would re-post them. Tnx .... I owe you John Kiracofe Jr. KN4XX From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Sep 28 18:56:03 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:56:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Attn: Jim Brown; KX3 Equalizer & Compression Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the link below for Home, click on "search the archive. 73, Jim On Wed,9/28/2016 3:49 PM, jkiracofe51 at charter.net wrote: > > > Jim; > > Several months ago, I inquired on the Reflector about the optimum TX > Equalizer and compression settings for best performance on the KX3. > > You provided excellent feedback but unfortunately, I have misplaced > the printout. > > It would be greatly appreciated if you would re-post them. > > Tnx .... I owe you > > John Kiracofe Jr. > > KN4XX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From ron at cobi.biz Wed Sep 28 19:02:20 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <000001d219dc$5e981390$1bc83ab0$@biz> I believe what you want is in the Rev C K-Pod Owner's Manual on page 16. IF you have an older version, you can download the Rev C manual here: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20C.p df For example, SWT21; will "tap" M1 on the K3, SWT32; will "tap" M2 and so on. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:43 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? It's time to finally start using the K-Pod. I had hoped it might control the P3 as well as the K3s but apparently A P3 function not happening yet. I would though like to assign the functions of the K3s memories M1-M4 to the K-Pod and if someone knows of a page with macros for this & maybe even other nifty Macro treasures, I'd appreciate a link Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From kevin at k4vd.net Wed Sep 28 19:12:59 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:12:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Attn: Jim Brown; KX3 Equalizer & Compression Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ Hope this helps. Kev K4VD On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:49 PM, wrote: > > > Jim; > > Several months ago, I inquired on the Reflector about the optimum > TX > Equalizer and compression settings for best performance on the KX3. > > You provided excellent feedback but unfortunately, I have misplaced > the printout. > > It would be greatly appreciated if you would re-post them. > > Tnx .... I owe you > > John Kiracofe Jr. > > KN4XX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Sep 28 19:13:27 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:13:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K-Pod, I believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and recalling them with button pushes, taps/etc. I would like (and would purchase) a keypad that takes a simple push of a button to execute a command (recorded in the keypad) to perform a function. I detest tap and/or hold and want the function performed regardless of how long I hold the button. For example: button 1 sends the command string to go split and TX up 1 to the radio just like I would using the K3 Utility. Button 2, clears that command, and so on and so forth. On 9/8/2016 6:30 PM, Dave Cole wrote > Make that using the P3, not directly to the K3. From jim at jtmiller.com Wed Sep 28 19:20:42 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:20:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig connections with K3S and P3 Message-ID: Is there a connection diagram for the K3S/P3 when used at the remote station for a RemoteRig setup? In this case I'd want to also have the P3 to be functional. I'd view the P3 video piped via TeamViewer. Anyone tried this combo remotely via RemoteRig? 73 jim ab3cv From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Sep 28 19:29:04 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:29:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: <000001d219dc$5e981390$1bc83ab0$@biz> References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com>, <000001d219dc$5e981390$1bc83ab0$@biz> Message-ID: <57EC5240.14667.1E75979@Gary.ka1j.com> Well thanks! I got the K-Pod a bit ago but it's been unused because of other projects. My owner's manual only has 11 pages to it so there have been a lot of revisions in a short time. Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J > I believe what you want is in the Rev C K-Pod Owner's Manual on page > 16. IF you have an older version, you can download the Rev C manual > here: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev > %20C.p df > > For example, SWT21; will "tap" M1 on the K3, SWT32; will "tap" M2 and > so on. > > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Gary Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:43 PM To: > elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? > > It's time to finally start using the > K-Pod. I had hoped it might control the P3 as well as the K3s but > apparently A P3 function not happening yet. > > I would though like to assign the > functions of the K3s memories M1-M4 to the K-Pod and if someone knows > of a page with macros for this & maybe even other nifty Macro > treasures, I'd appreciate a link > > Thanks & 73, > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Sep 28 19:37:11 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:37:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Attn: Jim Brown; KX3 Equalizer & Compression Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last year, I collected all the posts I could find on KX3 TX EQ and compression settings and wrote a blog post with what appeared to be the consensus, plus some step-by-step procedures from those who know more than me. OK, that was a long sentence. K9YC?s settings were straight down the middle of the consensus for TX EQ. https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Sep 28, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > In the link below for Home, click on "search the archive. > > 73, Jim > > On Wed,9/28/2016 3:49 PM, jkiracofe51 at charter.net wrote: >> >> Jim; >> >> Several months ago, I inquired on the Reflector about the optimum TX >> Equalizer and compression settings for best performance on the KX3. >> >> You provided excellent feedback but unfortunately, I have misplaced >> the printout. >> >> It would be greatly appreciated if you would re-post them. >> >> Tnx .... I owe you >> >> John Kiracofe Jr. >> >> KN4XX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Wed Sep 28 19:37:06 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> References: <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> Message-ID: <50d81379-887a-18fc-50e9-170bb098b207@nycap.rr.com> The PigKnob stores the commands in the device and sends them to the K3 via the serial port. It plugs into the K3 and the P3 plugs into it. It is a nice device - I have one sitting on the shelf, as I now have the Genovation and a K-Pod. Not interested in selling it - I may yet use it again. They are quite inexpensive - does VFO (two speeds) and eight other commands (that is the number of buttons on it. Truth be told, I may put it back in line and take the other stuff out. Decisions for the winter. Bill W2BLC K-Line From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Sep 28 19:43:27 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:43:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig connections with K3S and P3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0132842a-82f9-263d-ea58-7434cecfbd98@foothill.net> Please share results on-list, not having the P3 when operating remote is really disappointing. For me, it would mean about 60+/- km of RG-58 from the station K3 IF-out to my K3. :-)) If there's another way I'd sure like to know about it. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/28/2016 4:20 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Is there a connection diagram for the K3S/P3 when used at the remote > station for a RemoteRig setup? In this case I'd want to also have the P3 to > be functional. I'd view the P3 video piped via TeamViewer. > > Anyone tried this combo remotely via RemoteRig? > > 73 > > jim ab3cv From sosdrivingschool at live.com Wed Sep 28 23:18:29 2016 From: sosdrivingschool at live.com (ANCLETUS ERNEST) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 03:18:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Attn: Jim Brown; KX3 Equalizer & Compression Settings In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hey I just got my KX2 a few days age 7 day. I have been learning the radio I love it so far. My serial number 1009 >From my DL750 Digicel On Sep 28, 2016 6:15 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ Hope this helps. Kev K4VD On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:49 PM, wrote: > > > Jim; > > Several months ago, I inquired on the Reflector about the optimum > TX > Equalizer and compression settings for best performance on the KX3. > > You provided excellent feedback but unfortunately, I have misplaced > the printout. > > It would be greatly appreciated if you would re-post them. > > Tnx .... I owe you > > John Kiracofe Jr. > > KN4XX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sosdrivingschool at live.com From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Sep 28 23:41:16 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:41:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: <57EC5240.14667.1E75979@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com>, <000001d219dc$5e981390$1bc83ab0$@biz>, <57EC5240.14667.1E75979@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <57EC8D5C.19797.2CE4012@Gary.ka1j.com> I've been trying to find the info I am looking for but I must be dumber than a box of New England boulders. With the immediate goal of tapping the K-Pod buttons to do the following: F3 = M3 (macro SWT35) F4 = M4 (macro SWT39) F7 = M1 (macro SWT21) F8 = M2 (macro SWT31) I haven't found out how to make the F buttons fire a specific macro. Some of the info below was very helpful, such as SWT21 and that helped me figure out more. But how do I ascribe a button on the K-Pod top a specific desired macro? > Well thanks! I got the K-Pod a bit ago but > it's been unused because of other > projects. My owner's manual only has 11 > pages to it so there have been a lot of > revisions in a short time. > > Thanks & 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > > I believe what you want is in the Rev C K-Pod Owner's Manual on page > > 16. IF you have an older version, you can download the Rev C manual > > here: > > > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20R > > ev %20C.p df > > > > For example, SWT21; will "tap" M1 on the K3, SWT32; will "tap" M2 > > and so on. > > > > > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > > Of Gary Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:43 PM To: > > elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? > > > > It's time to finally start using the > > K-Pod. I had hoped it might control the P3 as well as the K3s but > > apparently A P3 function not happening yet. > > > > I would though like to assign the > > functions of the K3s memories M1-M4 to the K-Pod and if someone > > knows of a page with macros for this & maybe even other nifty Macro > > treasures, I'd appreciate a link > > > > Thanks & 73, > > > > Gary > > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From nwgarner at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 23:53:56 2016 From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:53:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, A few weeks ago I made this website to help with the creation of macros. http://pignology.net/emm/ 73, Nick N3WG On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > It's time to finally start using the > K-Pod. I had hoped it might control the P3 > as well as the K3s but apparently A P3 > function not happening yet. > > I would though like to assign the > functions of the K3s memories M1-M4 to the > K-Pod and if someone knows of a page with > macros for this & maybe even other nifty > Macro treasures, I'd appreciate a link > > Thanks & 73, > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nwgarner at gmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 29 00:20:27 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:20:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: > And therein is the rub.??All of these schemes, including the K-Pod, I > believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and recalling them > with button pushes, taps/etc. The Genovation keypad does not trigger anything in the K3, it triggers a macro from the P3, which you preload. > I would like (and would purchase) a keypad that takes a simple push of > a button to execute a command (recorded in the keypad) to perform a > function.?? Using the Genovation, you get essentially this. ?You stack as many macros as you want, load them into the P3, then trigger that macro cluster from the Genovation with a single keytap. ?The P3 then fires the macro cluster to the K3. > I detest tap and/or hold and want the function performed regardless of > how long I hold the button.??For example: button 1 sends the command > string to go split and TX up 1 to the radio just like I would using > the K3 Utility.??Button 2, clears that command, and so on and so > forth. This is exactly how the Genovation works... ?There are no press and hold functions possible with the Genovation. ?It uses the macro sets Elecraft provides, some of which perform the same function a press and hold, only you trigger it with a single keypress on the Genovation. ? If there is a macro for it, then you can trigger it with a single press of the Genovation, be it instant, or a 10 minutes press, the result is the same... ?An example is the "Split + 5" macro, it does the following with a single instantaneous keytap: 1. ?Puts the radio in split. 2. ?Shifts the P3 display to show the DX on the left edge. 3. ?Positions the transmit VFO 5 up from the DX. 4. ?Sets the P3 span to 6 KHz wide. 5. ?Sets the appropriate mode for the P3. The result you as a user will see for your single keytap is that the DX is moved to the left side of the P3, showing the high 5 KHz on the right of the P3 screen, allowing you to control where you transmit using the VFO B knob. ?All with a single tap of a single key. All I do as the user, is press the SPLIT +5 button on the Genovation, and all of the above happens. ?I just find a hole in the pile up and send my call using a second button... ?Once the DX returns my call, I press a third button and the report is sent. ?DX worked... ?I log it, and move on... For me, it matters not where the commands are stored, what matters is what happens when I touch a key.? See: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ Start at the section labeled, "How the P3/SVGA works", to get a more detailed overview of what is happening when you tap a key on the Genovation. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Sep 29 00:22:37 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:22:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: <030e01d21a04$166fc220$434f4660$@n7us.net> References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com>, <57EC8D5C.19797.2CE4012@Gary.ka1j.com>, <030e01d21a04$166fc220$434f4660$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <57EC970D.31540.2F41986@Gary.ka1j.com> Beautiful! That's the Rosetta Stone I needed; From 9 on down to 16 in the Command Tester in the Utility: 9 = F1 10 = F2 11 = F3 And so on to 16 - F8 Maybe they will mention that in the next Rev of the owner's manual. Thank you all, now I'll have to figure out the more complex macros and how I might want to use them but that will come. And thanks to those who provided links to help me out as well, I will certainly check them out. 73, Gary KA1J > > Gary, > ? > Here are mine as of now: > ? > > ? > 11 and 12 do what you want.? 11 is F3 (tap), and 12 is F4 > (tap). > ? > 73, Jim N7US > ? > ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On > Behalf Of Gary Smith > Sent: September 28, 2016 22:41 > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? > ? > I've been trying to find the info I am > looking for but I must be dumber than a box of New England > boulders. > ? > With the immediate goal of tapping the > K-Pod buttons to do the following: > ? > F3 = M3 (macro SWT35) > F4 = M4 (macro SWT39) > F7 = M1 (macro SWT21) > F8 = M2 (macro SWT31) > ? > I haven't found out how to make the F > buttons fire a specific macro. Some of the info below was > very helpful, such as SWT21 and that helped me figure out > more. > ? > But how do I ascribe a button on the K-Pod top a specific > desired macro? > ? > > Well thanks! I got the K-Pod a bit ago but it's been > unused because of > > other projects. My owner's manual only has 11 pages to it > so there > > have been a lot of revisions in a short time. > > > > Thanks & 73, > > > > Gary > > KA1J > > > > > I believe what you want is in the Rev C K-Pod Owner's > Manual on page > > > 16. IF you have an older version, you can download the > Rev C manual > > > here: > > > > > > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Ma > nual%20R > > > ev %20C.p df > > > > > > For example, SWT21; will "tap" M1 on the K3, SWT32; will "tap" > M2 > > and so on. > > > > > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: Elecraft > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > > Of Gary > Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:43 PM To: > > > elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? > > > > > It's time to finally start using the K-Pod. I had hoped it > might > > control the P3 as well as the K3s but apparently A P3 > function not > > happening yet. > > > > I would though like to > assign the > > functions of the K3s memories M1-M4 to the K-Pod > and if someone > > knows of a page with macros for this & maybe > even other nifty Macro > > treasures, I'd appreciate a link > > > > > Thanks & 73, > > > > Gary > > KA1J > > > ____________________________________________________________ __ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: > http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > ron at elecraft.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ __ > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: > http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > gary at ka1j.com > ? ? ? > ____________________________________________________________ __ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net ? This list hosted by: > http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim at n7us.net From michaelwong at mac.com Thu Sep 29 01:01:11 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael A. Wong) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:01:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? Message-ID: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> Hey folks, KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. Sent from my iPad From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Sep 29 01:27:55 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> Message-ID: <1b2fa438-7fc6-8f62-cd2e-f161f4808a09@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,9/28/2016 10:01 PM, Michael A. Wong wrote: > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, That's entirely expected -- Buddistick, Buddipole, etc. is a short, loaded antenna, so it IS less efficient (that is, less of the power from your rig is radiated). It's an "appliance-operator's antenna," for those who haven't taken the time to study the ARRL Handbook chapter on antennas and the relevant chapters in the ARRL Antenna Book, and only know to BUY a solution. BOTH antennas need radials or a counterpoise to work. > I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. Repeating for emphasis -- SWR is NOT a meaningful measure of how well an antenna works. SWR is NOT a meaningful measure of how well an antenna works. SWR is NOT a meaningful measure of how well an antenna works. SWR is NOT a meaningful measure of how well an antenna works. SWR is NOT a meaningful measure of how well an antenna works. SWR is NOT a meaningful measure of how well an antenna works. SWR as indicated at the rig simply indicates that the antenna tuner is matching the feedline to the radio, so that you're putting power into the feedline. In virtually all portable operation, feedlines are too short to contribute loss, so if the power is getting to the feedline, it's getting to the antenna. Antennas with loading coils are bad for three reasons. 1) loading coils are lossy, so they burn power; 2) the antenna is physically shorter, so the radiation resistance is lower; and 3) the resonance of antennas with loading coils tend to be narrow-band, so they are more difficult to match (that is, the antenna tuner must have a wider range). {Radiation resistance is a theoretical resistance that allows us to compute the radiated power. A higher number is better.] 73, Jim K9YC From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Sep 29 01:53:43 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:53:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <1b2fa438-7fc6-8f62-cd2e-f161f4808a09@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: As the real resistance grows larger compared with the radiation resistance, then more of the power is converted to heat in the real resistance rather than radiated as RF. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/28/16 at 10:27 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >{Radiation resistance is a theoretical resistance that allows >us to compute the radiated power. A higher number is better.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From philippe at f5iyj.com Thu Sep 29 03:31:33 2016 From: philippe at f5iyj.com (Philippe) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:31:33 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - low power/reception on 80m Message-ID: <3bcb811dd93f60907bd35f15a464eb77@f5iyj.com> Hi, I bought an used K2/100 with an issue on 80m: - RF is low (less than 1 watt) even when PWR set to 100W - reception sensibility is low as well, I need to switch the PRE to hear something on the band. - all other bands are doing fine (good sensibility, 100W+) I first though about the band filter but I didn't success to get any RF increase when re-tuning L3/L4. Do you have an idea where I can start? Thanks -- Phil F5IYJ / NK2F From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 04:01:36 2016 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - low power/reception on 80m In-Reply-To: <3bcb811dd93f60907bd35f15a464eb77@f5iyj.com> References: <3bcb811dd93f60907bd35f15a464eb77@f5iyj.com> Message-ID: Sticky relay? 73, Matt VK2RQ On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 5:32 PM +1000, "Philippe" wrote: Hi, I bought an used K2/100 with an issue on 80m: - RF is low (less than 1 watt) even when PWR set to 100W - reception sensibility is low as well, I need to switch the PRE to hear something on the band. - all other bands are doing fine (good sensibility, 100W+) I first though about the band filter but I didn't success to get any RF increase when re-tuning L3/L4. Do you have an idea where I can start? Thanks -- Phil F5IYJ / NK2F ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 06:04:20 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:04:20 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> Message-ID: Michael, If received signals are stronger on the wire, almost certainly transmitted ones are too. If you really want to know which is better, arrange some way to switch between them quickly so you can do an a-b comparison. With the K3's tuner, this is easy, but I believe the KX3 tuner only has one output, so you have to use an external switch. Keep in mind that the antennas will have different radiation patterns, of course. Vic 4X6GP > On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:01, Michael A. Wong wrote: > > Hey folks, > > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. > > Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? > > I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... > > Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. > > From K8UT at charter.net Thu Sep 29 06:47:39 2016 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry Gauthier (K8UT)) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:47:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> Message-ID: <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> The most likely answer is "it depends." Despite the theoretical differences between the antennas, there are situational differences where one will out-perform the other: quality of ground, height, propagation, direction to receiving station... BUT, you can measure those differences yourself. Tune-up on the Buddistick in the CW portion and send the string "test test de ". Move your VFO 5 KHz and send the same string on the random wire. Then open your browser to the Reverse Beacon Network's search page and enter your callsign. http://www.reversebeacon.net/srch.php Compare your received signal strength on each antenna by the stations who heard you. Run the test a few times to minimize QSB and propagation fading. What do you get? The results ("which is better?") may be different as you move from one location to another. If you can carry both antennas use the one that's working. -larry (K8UT) -----Original Message----- From: Michael A. Wong Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:01 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? Hey folks, KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k8ut at charter.net From kk5f at earthlink.net Thu Sep 29 06:53:40 2016 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? Message-ID: <18636803.1475146420869.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Michael A. Wong (who declines to provide his call sign) writes; > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. Great on the former...my sympathies on the latter. :-) > Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, Remove the words "maybe" and "random wire". If you wish to experience the stark contrast between a proper wire antenna and your expensive ground resistance heater, you need only to construct a simple resonant wire dipole for 20 meters. (It's just a center insulator with 16.5 feet of wire coming off each side...fed with RG-58 or RG-8X coax going to the KX3.) The dipole provides its own counterpoise. (You did not describe the counterpoise that you used with your random wire.) The performance difference on transmit and receive (if the band is not dead) compared to what you've been using should amaze you. The ATU will love it as well, inserting far less (or even no) lossy reactances for a match. (Many Elecrafters pretend those tiny little ATU inductors and capacitors are loss-free, but of course they certainly are not...TANSTAAFL!) Of course, the above details are only for 20m. On request I can send description of a simple and extremely inexpensive 40m to 10m (seven-band) wire dipole that I've used for almost 40 years for portable (camp-site) operation. Mike / KK5F From KI4D at arrl.net Thu Sep 29 07:21:27 2016 From: KI4D at arrl.net (Don Lewis (KI4D)) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:21:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> Message-ID: <016901d21a43$9f810710$de831530$@arrl.net> Michael - unless you are interested in experimenting regarding this project, I have found the most effective, portable, flexible and lightweight wire antenna system for 20 meters is the PAR-20 EndFedz antenna system from LNR Precision. You can configure it as a vertical, horizontal or slanted antenna. With a portable telescoping pole on a tripod (or thrown up in a tree) it can be set up in about the same amount of time as the Buddistick, and has been more effective in my experience. Good luck. Don Lewis, KI4D -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michael A. Wong Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:01 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? Hey folks, KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ki4d at arrl.net From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 29 07:39:10 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:39:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <1475149150.4974.29.camel@nk7z.net> On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 20:53 -0700, Nick Garner wrote: > Hi Gary, > A few weeks ago I made this website to help with the creation of > macros. > > http://pignology.net/emm/ > > 73, > Nick > N3WG That is a pretty cool page Nick... ?:) -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From w4grj at satterfield.org Thu Sep 29 08:24:43 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: References: <1b2fa438-7fc6-8f62-cd2e-f161f4808a09@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <000601d21a4c$75e87150$61b953f0$@org> When explaining low swr vs antenna efficiency I use the example of a dummy load perfect swr but not a very good antenna. Jack W4GRJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Frantz Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:54 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? As the real resistance grows larger compared with the radiation resistance, then more of the power is converted to heat in the real resistance rather than radiated as RF. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/28/16 at 10:27 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >{Radiation resistance is a theoretical resistance that allows us to >compute the radiated power. A higher number is better.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 29 08:59:55 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:59:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: <57EC8D5C.19797.2CE4012@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com> <000001d219dc$5e981390$1bc83ab0$@biz> <57EC5240.14667.1E75979@Gary.ka1j.com> <57EC8D5C.19797.2CE4012@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <48db7435-4785-bc20-946e-1b2101a08cc3@embarqmail.com> Gary and all, The K-Pod buttons activate macros 1 thru 16. For instance, a hold of the F1 button activates Macro 1 and a tap activates Macro 9. So you create a Macro for those macro numbers. It is a subtle point, but you do not assign the K-Pod buttons to any random macro, that is pre-assigned. Place the desired macro into the proper numbered slot in the K3. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/28/2016 11:41 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > But how do I ascribe a button on the K-Pod > top a specific desired macro? From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Sep 29 09:50:04 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:50:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <2035cb5c-1b12-63e0-c7dc-cfba85fac6a8@triconet.org> Where did I say anything about a P3? On 9/28/2016 9:20 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >> And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K-Pod, I >> believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and recalling them >> with button pushes, taps/etc. > The Genovation keypad does not trigger anything in the K3, it triggers a > macro from the P3, which you preload. > >> I would like (and would purchase) a keypad that takes a simple push of >> a button to execute a command (recorded in the keypad) to perform a >> function. > Using the Genovation, you get essentially this. You stack as many > macros as you want, load them into the P3, then trigger that macro > cluster from the Genovation with a single keytap. The P3 then fires the > macro cluster to the K3. > >> I detest tap and/or hold and want the function performed regardless of >> how long I hold the button. For example: button 1 sends the command >> string to go split and TX up 1 to the radio just like I would using >> the K3 Utility. Button 2, clears that command, and so on and so >> forth. > This is exactly how the Genovation works... There are no press and hold > functions possible with the Genovation. It uses the macro sets Elecraft > provides, some of which perform the same function a press and hold, only > you trigger it with a single keypress on the Genovation. > > If there is a macro for it, then you can trigger it with a single press > of the Genovation, be it instant, or a 10 minutes press, the result is > the same... An example is the "Split + 5" macro, it does the following > with a single instantaneous keytap: > > 1. Puts the radio in split. > 2. Shifts the P3 display to show the DX on the left edge. > 3. Positions the transmit VFO 5 up from the DX. > 4. Sets the P3 span to 6 KHz wide. > 5. Sets the appropriate mode for the P3. > > The result you as a user will see for your single keytap is that the DX > is moved to the left side of the P3, showing the high 5 KHz on the right > of the P3 screen, allowing you to control where you transmit using the > VFO B knob. All with a single tap of a single key. > > All I do as the user, is press the SPLIT +5 button on the Genovation, > and all of the above happens. I just find a hole in the pile up and > send my call using a second button... Once the DX returns my call, I > press a third button and the report is sent. DX worked... I log it, > and move on... > > For me, it matters not where the commands are stored, what matters is > what happens when I touch a key. > > See: > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ > > Start at the section labeled, "How the P3/SVGA works", to get a more > detailed overview of what is happening when you tap a key on the > Genovation. > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 10:15:59 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:15:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> Message-ID: I take some degree of umbrage with all of the comments that classify a shortened loaded vertical as a dummy load and a random wire (with or without a 9:1 balun, etc) as always better. I regularly use both. If I?m at the beach, I guess I could have two friends hold a 35? wire 5? off the ground or put one end on a short pole and get excellent radiation straight up ? or, I could quickly put up a Buddistick on a tripod or shock cord mast and start making some contacts. Keep the radial wire(s) 3? or more off the ground/sand. Bungie the mast to a chair, or use a clamp on a table or whatever is handy, etc. Sometimes a wire is better, sometimes even a shortened vertical is better ? there are a lot of factors. To claim that one is ALWAYS better than the other, has not, in my experience, been the case given the wide variety of landscape, propagation conditions, locations of stations at the other end, radiation patterns, etc. If you?re operating from an area with lots of trees, and you have a way to get a wire UP, then by all means put it UP and give it a try. (But carrying even light weight wire, by the time you add throwing line and weights, and potentially extra coax is going to negate some of the weight difference between the stick antenna and a wire). If not, either a commercial or home-brew vertical will be easier to put up and will make contacts. With Buddipole products specifically you?re better off with the long whips and a couple of 22? arms on 20 ? it takes maybe a couple of turns on the loading coil to get to resonance with a one or two elevated radials ? but that?s more to carry around. The Buddipole stuff I own lets me put up a full size 20M vertical if I feel like it, although I don?t usually do that because it has to be guyed to be stable, and that?s just more work and more stuff to carry for only a small gain. (This is not an ad for Buddipole. It?s simply one option and was part of the question). YMMV Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:01 AM, Michael A. Wong wrote: > > Hey folks, > > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. > > Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? > > I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... > > Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. > From w0agmike at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 10:16:20 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:16:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote question Message-ID: I have my remote setup tested and working OK with the RemoteRigs. The one thing I'd like to add is visibility of the P3. I have a webcam set up and operational to view the screen using TeamViewer. However, the K3 freq info doesn't get to the P3 since there is now no connection between the two. I thought I might be able to use COM1 on the RemoteRig to direct CAT info to the P3, but can't get that to work using either Mode 6 or Mode 7 on the RemoteRig. Has anyone tried this successfully or am I completely barking up the wrong tree? Mike - W0AG From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 29 10:51:26 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - low power/reception on 80m In-Reply-To: <3bcb811dd93f60907bd35f15a464eb77@f5iyj.com> References: <3bcb811dd93f60907bd35f15a464eb77@f5iyj.com> Message-ID: <95697c37-43f3-dc14-d645-935f2d675cff@embarqmail.com> Phillippe, There are several things that could be wrong. First determine if it is a problem with the base K2 or the KPA100. To accomplish that, you will have to physically remove the KPA100, unplug the 4 cables and power the base K2 from the 2.1mm coaxial power jack on the lower rear panel. It could be the 80 meter Low pass Filter - either in the base K2 or the KPA100 - badly tinned toroid leads are a common cause. It is also possible that the LPF relay or the BPF relay for 80 meters is not working properly - look at K3 and K8 in the base K2 and K11 and K12 in the KPA100. If the relay case has been damaged, replace it. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/29/2016 3:31 AM, Philippe wrote: > Hi, > > I bought an used K2/100 with an issue on 80m: > > - RF is low (less than 1 watt) even when PWR set to 100W > > - reception sensibility is low as well, I need to switch the PRE to hear > something on the band. > > - all other bands are doing fine (good sensibility, 100W+) > > From phystad at mac.com Thu Sep 29 10:52:59 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:52:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> Message-ID: <72073DD3-5B8D-481E-8FC1-AC35E7D19FA8@mac.com> I have used both a Buddipole and wire antennas out in the field during various birding trips ? while my wife is stalking feathered friends with her camera, I set up a nice field operation with my KX3 and antennas. Often I have my pickup and I used to have great performance with an inverted-V 20-meter dipole using the center pole an extensible fiberglass pole (up 24 feet but raised by 5 feet so top elevation 29 feet). Although the wire conductors are sized for the low end of 20 since I operate CW only, I extend each of the two Dipole legs further out using dacron line before anchoring to the ground with tent pegs (or something else if convenient). The result is an inverted-V with a large angle separation to the legs. Oh ? one other thing. The fiberglass pole is mounted in the truck stake hole on the rear part of the bed and I can get buy with no guy lines if I am careful in setup. I have not compared the Buddipole to the inverted-V dipole antenna directly because I bought my Buddipole after I broke my fiberglass pole and decided on using a Buddipole instead as it was more flexible in some ways and I would not have the dependence on my pickup truck. However, in general, I would say that the Inverted-V always beat out performance of the Buddipole but also the Buddipole does work. Note ? all my field work is KX3 QRP (10 watts) or a few times only a few watts using my KX1. Both antennas though took me about the same time to set up ? maybe about 20 minutes as I am not usually racing for some record set up time. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:01 AM, Michael A. Wong wrote: > > Hey folks, > > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. > > Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? > > I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... > > Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. > From sosdrivingschool at live.com Thu Sep 29 11:00:43 2016 From: sosdrivingschool at live.com (ANCLETUS ERNEST) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:00:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com>, Message-ID: I will tell you I have always tested random wire and ready made and home made vertical PVC and wire vertical antenna. I have always gotten better results from my vertical antennas. You can go to YouTube or on my QRZ page go to the bottom of the page and click on the video. I have been doing QRP portable for about 15 years. I have used Alinco DX70 X108G, FX-9A,now my new toy KX2 all on QRP 10watts >From my DL750 Digicel On Sep 29, 2016 9:18 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: I take some degree of umbrage with all of the comments that classify a shortened loaded vertical as a dummy load and a random wire (with or without a 9:1 balun, etc) as always better. I regularly use both. If I?m at the beach, I guess I could have two friends hold a 35? wire 5? off the ground or put one end on a short pole and get excellent radiation straight up ? or, I could quickly put up a Buddistick on a tripod or shock cord mast and start making some contacts. Keep the radial wire(s) 3? or more off the ground/sand. Bungie the mast to a chair, or use a clamp on a table or whatever is handy, etc. Sometimes a wire is better, sometimes even a shortened vertical is better ? there are a lot of factors. To claim that one is ALWAYS better than the other, has not, in my experience, been the case given the wide variety of landscape, propagation conditions, locations of stations at the other end, radiation patterns, etc. If you?re operating from an area with lots of trees, and you have a way to get a wire UP, then by all means put it UP and give it a try. (But carrying even light weight wire, by the time you add throwing line and weights, and potentially extra coax is going to negate some of the weight difference between the stick antenna and a wire). If not, either a commercial or home-brew vertical will be easier to put up and will make contacts. With Buddipole products specifically you?re better off with the long whips and a couple of 22? arms on 20 ? it takes maybe a couple of turns on the loading coil to get to resonance with a one or two elevated radials ? but that?s more to carry around. The Buddipole stuff I own lets me put up a full size 20M vertical if I feel like it, although I don?t usually do that because it has to be guyed to be stable, and that?s just more work and more stuff to carry for only a small gain. (This is not an ad for Buddipole. It?s simply one option and was part of the question). YMMV Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:01 AM, Michael A. Wong wrote: > > Hey folks, > > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. > > Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? > > I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... > > Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sosdrivingschool at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Thu Sep 29 11:34:35 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:34:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> Message-ID: That's great advice, Larry! Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry Gauthier (K8UT) The most likely answer is "it depends." Despite the theoretical differences between the antennas, there are situational differences where one will out-perform the other: quality of ground, height, propagation, direction to receiving station... BUT, you can measure those differences yourself. Tune-up on the Buddistick in the CW portion and send the string "test test de ". Move your VFO 5 KHz and send the same string on the random wire. Then open your browser to the Reverse Beacon Network's search page and enter your callsign. http://www.reversebeacon.net/srch.php Compare your received signal strength on each antenna by the stations who heard you. Run the test a few times to minimize QSB and propagation fading. What do you get? The results ("which is better?") may be different as you move from one location to another. If you can carry both antennas use the one that's working. -larry (K8UT) -----Original Message----- From: Michael A. Wong Hey folks, KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made all my contacts with the Buddistick. Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO over a wire? I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. From ea2bd at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 12:06:19 2016 From: ea2bd at yahoo.com (EA2BD) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:06:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 temporary high SWR on PTT with external Amplifier Message-ID: <1475165179260-7622916.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello, I want to check if anyone experiences the same behaviour when connecting the KX3 to an external amplifier. - I receintly added an external amplifier to my KX3. - I connected the PTT cable to the ACC2 port and to the amplifier. - I set the Menu ACC2 on the KX3 to Active low, as specified. - I verified if the cable works and it closes contact all right every time I key down. The TROUBLE is: Everytime I send a dit (CW) or start talking (Voice) the SWR indicator on the KX3 shows full reading (Hi SWR!) just briefly and it quickly relaxes down to normal reading (SWR 1:1) during the rest of transmission. I believe there should be any kind of delay between the TX on the KX3 and the TX on the ampli, that causes the momentarily Hi SWR reading... But this is extrange because the PTT cable is in! Does anyone have experienced similar phaenomena? Any idea to overcome this? Do you consider there will be a real overload on the finals due to this small transient time? I drive with 2 watt out from the KX3 to get around 90W out from my Amplifier. Wait for your feedback, many thanks! 73 de Ignacio EA2BD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-temporary-high-SWR-on-PTT-with-external-Amplifier-tp7622916.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From michaelwong at mac.com Thu Sep 29 12:22:57 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael Wong) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> Message-ID: <863D52B2-B516-4E20-B2A1-0F6BAAA74E60@mac.com> Thanks everyone! Larry's was great, quickly actionable advice. I?ll do this the next time I go out. I don?t have a shack, and am still hunting around for a spot where I can try some of the other great suggestions (that I can fit in my backpack and if I actually find a spot where I can string up a wire. I do use a wire counterpoise for both my wire and Buddistick and try to keep it off the ground except for the end. Yes, I have an older copy of the antenna book and I?m in the transmission lines chapter. I guess I should just skip ahead to the long wire chapter. Given all the advice, I?m going to continue to try to find a good wire antenna deployment given the random locations I tend to drop in at. Thanks all! Michael K2MAW > On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Bill wrote: > > That's great advice, Larry! > > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry > Gauthier (K8UT) > > The most likely answer is "it depends." Despite the theoretical differences > between the antennas, there are situational differences where one will > out-perform the other: quality of ground, height, propagation, direction to > receiving station... > > BUT, you can measure those differences yourself. Tune-up on the Buddistick > in the CW portion and send the string "test test de callsign>". Move your VFO 5 KHz and send the same string on the random wire. > > Then open your browser to the Reverse Beacon Network's search page and enter > > your callsign. > http://www.reversebeacon.net/srch.php > Compare your received signal strength on each antenna by the stations who > heard you. Run the test a few times to minimize QSB and propagation fading. > > What do you get? The results ("which is better?") may be different as you > move from one location to another. If you can carry both antennas use the > one that's working. > > -larry (K8UT) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A. Wong > > Hey folks, > > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I > would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my > Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the > wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made > all my contacts with the Buddistick. > > Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend > a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the > wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the > Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO > over a wire? > > I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the > triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet > between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 > > and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the > Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... > > Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire > antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 12:24:09 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 temporary high SWR on PTT with external Amplifier In-Reply-To: <1475165179260-7622916.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1475165179260-7622916.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1942463312.1293291.1475166249764@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, the switching time in the amplifier is too slow,? hence you need to consider sequencing the amp keying so that it keys first then the KX3.? Sounds like the amp has a relay vs solid state switching.? Mel, K6KBE From: EA2BD via Elecraft To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:06 AM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 temporary high SWR on PTT with external Amplifier Hello, I want to check if anyone experiences the same behaviour when connecting the KX3 to an external amplifier. - I receintly added an external amplifier to my KX3. - I connected the PTT cable to the ACC2 port and to the amplifier. - I set the Menu ACC2 on the KX3 to Active low, as specified. - I verified if the cable works and it closes contact all right every time I key down. The TROUBLE is: Everytime I send a dit (CW) or start talking (Voice) the SWR indicator on the KX3 shows full reading (Hi SWR!) just briefly and it quickly relaxes down to normal reading (SWR 1:1) during the rest of transmission. I believe there should be any kind of delay between the TX on the KX3 and the TX on the ampli, that causes the momentarily Hi SWR reading... But this is extrange because the PTT cable is in! ? Does anyone have experienced similar phaenomena? ? Any idea to overcome this? ? Do you consider there will be a real overload on the finals due to this small transient time? I drive with 2 watt out from the KX3 to get around 90W out from my Amplifier. Wait for your feedback, many thanks! 73 de Ignacio EA2BD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-temporary-high-SWR-on-PTT-with-external-Amplifier-tp7622916.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 29 12:39:56 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <863D52B2-B516-4E20-B2A1-0F6BAAA74E60@mac.com> References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> <863D52B2-B516-4E20-B2A1-0F6BAAA74E60@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael, If your KX3 has the ATU, you can use the following random wire for 20 through 10m, and it will work under all conditions I've come across. I've used it on 40m as well, but there are more dependencies on height of the radiator (to be effective). 28 foot radiator (I use #20 stranded). If you have a tree or even a tall bush nearby, weight one end of the wire and toss it into the tree as high as you can. 13 to 17 foot counterpoise, or "trailer" wire. This can be laid on the ground, usually opposite of the direction your radiator is sloped. Use a Banana to BNC adapter at the KX3, and attach the radiator to the red post. The black post is attached to the counterpoise wire. Use your ATU to adjust feedpoint SWR. As a testimonial to this antenna configuration, I've used it on multiple field days at 5W to score a ton of QRP contacts. One year, I was outscoring our main station running a K3 at 100W while I had the KX3 using this antenna (at least some of that is technique and luck). When you're done at the site, pull your radiator wire back down and wind it up with the counterpoise wire. Then - you're on to your next site. 73, matt W6NIA On 09/29/2016 09:22 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > Thanks everyone! Larry's was great, quickly actionable advice. I?ll do this the next time I go out. I don?t have a shack, and am still hunting around for a spot where I can try some of the other great suggestions (that I can fit in my backpack and if I actually find a spot where I can string up a wire. > > I do use a wire counterpoise for both my wire and Buddistick and try to keep it off the ground except for the end. > > Yes, I have an older copy of the antenna book and I?m in the transmission lines chapter. I guess I should just skip ahead to the long wire chapter. > > Given all the advice, I?m going to continue to try to find a good wire antenna deployment given the random locations I tend to drop in at. > > Thanks all! > > Michael > K2MAW > > >> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Bill wrote: >> >> That's great advice, Larry! >> >> Bill >> K9YEQ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry >> Gauthier (K8UT) >> >> The most likely answer is "it depends." Despite the theoretical differences >> between the antennas, there are situational differences where one will >> out-perform the other: quality of ground, height, propagation, direction to >> receiving station... >> >> BUT, you can measure those differences yourself. Tune-up on the Buddistick >> in the CW portion and send the string "test test de > callsign>". Move your VFO 5 KHz and send the same string on the random wire. >> >> Then open your browser to the Reverse Beacon Network's search page and enter >> >> your callsign. >> http://www.reversebeacon.net/srch.php >> Compare your received signal strength on each antenna by the stations who >> heard you. Run the test a few times to minimize QSB and propagation fading. >> >> What do you get? The results ("which is better?") may be different as you >> move from one location to another. If you can carry both antennas use the >> one that's working. >> >> -larry (K8UT) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael A. Wong >> >> Hey folks, >> >> KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I >> would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my >> Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the >> wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made >> all my contacts with the Buddistick. >> >> Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend >> a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the >> wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the >> Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO >> over a wire? >> >> I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the >> triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet >> between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 >> >> and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the >> Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... >> >> Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire >> antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Voignier] From michaelwong at mac.com Thu Sep 29 12:49:26 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael Wong) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> <863D52B2-B516-4E20-B2A1-0F6BAAA74E60@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks Matt: This is pretty close to what I have, but I?ve done a 36? radiator and 13? counterpoise. So maybe it?s in the details. I have my antenna wire (100?) wound on a kite string winder. I spool out what I calculate I need and the other end is connected to my BNC/banana adapter. So I have 60+? of wire still wound on the reel. Is the inductance effect of the remaining wire wound on the reel have any effect on the antenna? Michael K2MAW > On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > If your KX3 has the ATU, you can use the following random wire for 20 through 10m, and it will work under all conditions I've come across. I've used it on 40m as well, but there are more dependencies on height of the radiator (to be effective). > > 28 foot radiator (I use #20 stranded). If you have a tree or even a tall bush nearby, weight one end of the wire and toss it into the tree as high as you can. > > 13 to 17 foot counterpoise, or "trailer" wire. This can be laid on the ground, usually opposite of the direction your radiator is sloped. > > Use a Banana to BNC adapter at the KX3, and attach the radiator to the red post. The black post is attached to the counterpoise wire. Use your ATU to adjust feedpoint SWR. > > As a testimonial to this antenna configuration, I've used it on multiple field days at 5W to score a ton of QRP contacts. One year, I was outscoring our main station running a K3 at 100W while I had the KX3 using this antenna (at least some of that is technique and luck). > > When you're done at the site, pull your radiator wire back down and wind it up with the counterpoise wire. Then - you're on to your next site. > > 73, > > matt W6NIA > > > On 09/29/2016 09:22 AM, Michael Wong wrote: >> Thanks everyone! Larry's was great, quickly actionable advice. I?ll do this the next time I go out. I don?t have a shack, and am still hunting around for a spot where I can try some of the other great suggestions (that I can fit in my backpack and if I actually find a spot where I can string up a wire. >> >> I do use a wire counterpoise for both my wire and Buddistick and try to keep it off the ground except for the end. >> >> Yes, I have an older copy of the antenna book and I?m in the transmission lines chapter. I guess I should just skip ahead to the long wire chapter. >> >> Given all the advice, I?m going to continue to try to find a good wire antenna deployment given the random locations I tend to drop in at. >> >> Thanks all! >> >> Michael >> K2MAW >> >> >>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Bill wrote: >>> >>> That's great advice, Larry! >>> >>> Bill >>> K9YEQ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry >>> Gauthier (K8UT) >>> >>> The most likely answer is "it depends." Despite the theoretical differences >>> between the antennas, there are situational differences where one will >>> out-perform the other: quality of ground, height, propagation, direction to >>> receiving station... >>> >>> BUT, you can measure those differences yourself. Tune-up on the Buddistick >>> in the CW portion and send the string "test test de >> callsign>". Move your VFO 5 KHz and send the same string on the random wire. >>> >>> Then open your browser to the Reverse Beacon Network's search page and enter >>> >>> your callsign. >>> http://www.reversebeacon.net/srch.php >>> Compare your received signal strength on each antenna by the stations who >>> heard you. Run the test a few times to minimize QSB and propagation fading. >>> >>> What do you get? The results ("which is better?") may be different as you >>> move from one location to another. If you can carry both antennas use the >>> one that's working. >>> >>> -larry (K8UT) >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Michael A. Wong >>> >>> Hey folks, >>> >>> KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I >>> would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my >>> Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the >>> wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made >>> all my contacts with the Buddistick. >>> >>> Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend >>> a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the >>> wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the >>> Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO >>> over a wire? >>> >>> I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the >>> triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet >>> between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 >>> >>> and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the >>> Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... >>> >>> Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire >>> antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > > -- > "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein > > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > [Voignier] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 29 13:15:07 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:15:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <2035cb5c-1b12-63e0-c7dc-cfba85fac6a8@triconet.org> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> <2035cb5c-1b12-63e0-c7dc-cfba85fac6a8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1475169307.5007.23.camel@nk7z.net> On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 06:50 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: > Where did I say anything about a P3? You didn't-- in fact, you specifically limited your comments to, "*not in the radio*", hence why I am pointing out that the Genovation meets your stated criteria-- "*not in the radio*". ?I bring up where the macros live, the P3, to show you that the Genovation meets your stated criteria of not having macros live in the radio. ? See below for the quote I am responding too. > > On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: > > > > > > And therein is the rub.??All of these schemes, including the K- > > > Pod, I believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and > > > recalling them with button pushes, taps/etc. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 29 13:16:24 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:16:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: References: <160BED7C-582A-4716-A9EA-FD7C1E433213@mac.com> <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> <863D52B2-B516-4E20-B2A1-0F6BAAA74E60@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael, Couple of points - - Just about any random wire will work on some bands. "Work" just means you can tune it with the ATU, but it may or may not be very efficient. Otoh, putting *any* signal on the air is better than none. Tuning will be easiest the closer to odd multiples of a quarter wave the radiator is (and it might be fairly efficient too, if it's close to vertical). Your 36' configuration seems like it should work very well on 40m and 15m. - Avoid half-wave configurations of the radiator length. For example, 66 feet on 40m won't tune easily or maybe at all using the ATU. A half wave is very high impedance and not desirable to use in most cases. Some hams use this configuration, but it really needs an impedance transformer at the feedpoint to be "SWR-friendly" for the transmitter. Your antenna sounds like it's certainly versatile enough to set up as you need it. The big "lump" inductance at your spool is a lower impedance than the wire (to free space), and should have no negative effect. The other view of all the mad science is, "If it works to your liking, keep using it." There are a lot of hams that use Off-Center Fed dipoles (OCFs, they're called) with great success on multiple bands. You might look into that type of wire antenna and experiment with it a bit. You'll need a choke balun to keep radiation off the feedline [except at resonance]. For a base station wire antenna, the doublet works well. My favorite FD antenna is 70' and 70' balanced, fed with ladder line 61 feet long, and terminated in a 1:1: balun. The other end of the balun is fed with coax (the lowest loss you can find - say LMR400), and as short as physically possible. I used this configuration for many years with MARS out-of-ham-band operation and never really found a frequency I couldn't use between 3 and 24 MHz. 73, matt W6NIA On 09/29/2016 09:49 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > Thanks Matt: > > This is pretty close to what I have, but I?ve done a 36? radiator and 13? counterpoise. So maybe it?s in the details. I have my antenna wire (100?) wound on a kite string winder. I spool out what I calculate I need and the other end is connected to my BNC/banana adapter. So I have 60+? of wire still wound on the reel. Is the inductance effect of the remaining wire wound on the reel have any effect on the antenna? > > > > Michael > K2MAW > > >> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> If your KX3 has the ATU, you can use the following random wire for 20 through 10m, and it will work under all conditions I've come across. I've used it on 40m as well, but there are more dependencies on height of the radiator (to be effective). >> >> 28 foot radiator (I use #20 stranded). If you have a tree or even a tall bush nearby, weight one end of the wire and toss it into the tree as high as you can. >> >> 13 to 17 foot counterpoise, or "trailer" wire. This can be laid on the ground, usually opposite of the direction your radiator is sloped. >> >> Use a Banana to BNC adapter at the KX3, and attach the radiator to the red post. The black post is attached to the counterpoise wire. Use your ATU to adjust feedpoint SWR. >> >> As a testimonial to this antenna configuration, I've used it on multiple field days at 5W to score a ton of QRP contacts. One year, I was outscoring our main station running a K3 at 100W while I had the KX3 using this antenna (at least some of that is technique and luck). >> >> When you're done at the site, pull your radiator wire back down and wind it up with the counterpoise wire. Then - you're on to your next site. >> >> 73, >> >> matt W6NIA >> >> >> On 09/29/2016 09:22 AM, Michael Wong wrote: >>> Thanks everyone! Larry's was great, quickly actionable advice. I?ll do this the next time I go out. I don?t have a shack, and am still hunting around for a spot where I can try some of the other great suggestions (that I can fit in my backpack and if I actually find a spot where I can string up a wire. >>> >>> I do use a wire counterpoise for both my wire and Buddistick and try to keep it off the ground except for the end. >>> >>> Yes, I have an older copy of the antenna book and I?m in the transmission lines chapter. I guess I should just skip ahead to the long wire chapter. >>> >>> Given all the advice, I?m going to continue to try to find a good wire antenna deployment given the random locations I tend to drop in at. >>> >>> Thanks all! >>> >>> Michael >>> K2MAW >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Bill wrote: >>>> >>>> That's great advice, Larry! >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> K9YEQ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry >>>> Gauthier (K8UT) >>>> >>>> The most likely answer is "it depends." Despite the theoretical differences >>>> between the antennas, there are situational differences where one will >>>> out-perform the other: quality of ground, height, propagation, direction to >>>> receiving station... >>>> >>>> BUT, you can measure those differences yourself. Tune-up on the Buddistick >>>> in the CW portion and send the string "test test de >>> callsign>". Move your VFO 5 KHz and send the same string on the random wire. >>>> >>>> Then open your browser to the Reverse Beacon Network's search page and enter >>>> >>>> your callsign. >>>> http://www.reversebeacon.net/srch.php >>>> Compare your received signal strength on each antenna by the stations who >>>> heard you. Run the test a few times to minimize QSB and propagation fading. >>>> >>>> What do you get? The results ("which is better?") may be different as you >>>> move from one location to another. If you can carry both antennas use the >>>> one that's working. >>>> >>>> -larry (K8UT) >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Michael A. Wong >>>> >>>> Hey folks, >>>> >>>> KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I >>>> would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my >>>> Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the >>>> wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and have made >>>> all my contacts with the Buddistick. >>>> >>>> Now, recognizing the DIY nature of our hobby might lead people to recommend >>>> a random wire over a commercial antenna, if I actually manage to deploy the >>>> wire "optimally", should I really see performance equal or outpace the >>>> Buddistick? Or am I simply finding bad luck the times I try to get a QSO >>>> over a wire? >>>> >>>> I've tried deploying from a 30' pole sloping down, the hypotenuse of the >>>> triangle pointing to my desired direction. I tried deploying 40+ feet >>>> between two trees about 12' off the ground. Now I'm going to get a Zebco 202 >>>> >>>> and rig up my slingshot to deploy vertical. But honestly, I can get the >>>> Buddistick up and running in about 3 minutes.... >>>> >>>> Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire >>>> antennas, but I would appreciate the group's thoughts. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com >> -- >> "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein >> >> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >> [Voignier] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Voignier] From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 29 14:08:15 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:08:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 temporary high SWR on PTT with external Amplifier In-Reply-To: <1475165179260-7622916.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1475165179260-7622916.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <60304de2-796e-747c-6999-d4f0c7d9ea4e@embarqmail.com> Ignacio, The amplifier is not switching to the transmit state within the time between when the KX3 pulls PTT low and the time RF appears. I believe that time is about 8 milliseconds. Yes, your KX3 is working into an open load when that happens - hence the high SWR. That condition is known as "hot switching", and even if it does not eventually damage the KX3 PA, the relay contacts in your amplifier T/R changover will become pitted due to the arcing. One solution is to modify your amplifier with a QSK T/R switch or substitute fast vacuum relays. Another solution is not to use QSK or VOX - connect a footswitch to the KX3 PTT *input* (ACC2 jack's TIP connection) and set the ACC2 IO menu to LO=PTT if the footswitch grounds the connection. Then use the footswitch to put the KX3 into transmit before you operate the paddles or speak into the microphone. In other words, do not turn on VOX. Another way to put the KX3 into transmit mode without the footswitch is to use the XMIT button on the KX3. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/29/2016 12:06 PM, EA2BD via Elecraft wrote: > Hello, > I want to check if anyone experiences the same behaviour when connecting the > KX3 to an external amplifier. > > - I receintly added an external amplifier to my KX3. > - I connected the PTT cable to the ACC2 port and to the amplifier. > - I set the Menu ACC2 on the KX3 to Active low, as specified. > - I verified if the cable works and it closes contact all right every time I > key down. > > The TROUBLE is: > Everytime I send a dit (CW) or start talking (Voice) the SWR indicator on > the KX3 shows full reading (Hi SWR!) just briefly and it quickly relaxes > down to normal reading (SWR 1:1) during the rest of transmission. > > I believe there should be any kind of delay between the TX on the KX3 and > the TX on the ampli, that causes the momentarily Hi SWR reading... But this > is extrange because the PTT cable is in! > > Does anyone have experienced similar phaenomena? > Any idea to overcome this? > Do you consider there will be a real overload on the finals due to this > small transient time? > > I drive with 2 watt out from the KX3 to get around 90W out from my > Amplifier. > > Wait for your feedback, many thanks! > 73 de Ignacio EA2BD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-temporary-high-SWR-on-PTT-with-external-Amplifier-tp7622916.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Sep 29 14:46:48 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:46:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1475169307.5007.23.camel@nk7z.net> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> <2035cb5c-1b12-63e0-c7dc-cfba85fac6a8@triconet.org> <1475169307.5007.23.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <2bd16c11-a5e6-6347-1e2d-6d7e0efdc977@triconet.org> Oh, dear me. Maybe I should have said, "in the radio equipment as opposed to in the keypad." The Genovation "solution" isn't a solution. The commands don't live in the keyboard which was my expressed desire. But of course you knew that. On 9/29/2016 10:15 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 06:50 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Where did I say anything about a P3? > You didn't-- in fact, you specifically limited your comments to, "*not > in the radio*", hence why I am pointing out that the Genovation meets > your stated criteria-- "*not in the radio*". I bring up where the > macros live, the P3, to show you that the Genovation meets your stated > criteria of not having macros live in the radio. > > See below for the quote I am responding too. > >>> On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 16:13 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >>>> And therein is the rub. All of these schemes, including the K- >>>> Pod, I believe, require recording macros *in the radio* and >>>> recalling them with button pushes, taps/etc. From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 29 15:21:22 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:21:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <2bd16c11-a5e6-6347-1e2d-6d7e0efdc977@triconet.org> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> <2035cb5c-1b12-63e0-c7dc-cfba85fac6a8@triconet.org> <1475169307.5007.23.camel@nk7z.net> <2bd16c11-a5e6-6347-1e2d-6d7e0efdc977@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1475176882.5007.54.camel@nk7z.net> On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 11:46 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: > Oh, dear me.??Maybe I should have said, "in the radio equipment as > opposed to in the keypad." Probably would have been a good idea on your part to actually say what you are trying to communicate. > > The Genovation "solution" isn't a solution.??The commands don't live > in the keyboard which was my expressed desire.?? Sigh... ?Your expressed desire was that they not be in the Radio, you were unclear... ? > But of course you knew that. No, I did not... ?I actually thought you were asking for some assistance here, I see I was wrong. ?My error for trying to help... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From ron at cobi.biz Thu Sep 29 15:31:47 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:31:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? In-Reply-To: <57EC970D.31540.2F41986@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57EC4764.9380.1BCEEE4@Gary.ka1j.com>, <57EC8D5C.19797.2CE4012@Gary.ka1j.com>, <030e01d21a04$166fc220$434f4660$@n7us.net> <57EC970D.31540.2F41986@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <004801d21a88$1eb5c8b0$5c215a10$@biz> See the Owner's Manual (rev C) that I provided the link to: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20C.p df >From Page 7, "Operating the K-Pod": "Macros are launched at the K-Pod using tap and hold presses of switches F1 through F8 just as you tap and hold front panel switches on your K3S/K3: "Holding switches F1 through F8 for 1/2 second or more launches K3S/K3 macros 1 through 8. Tapping switches F1 through F8 (holding for less than 1/2 second) launches K3S/K3 macros 9 through 16." Of course, you choose which locations where you want to store each macro in the K3 in the Utility program just as in the past, and locations 1 through 16 are automatically assigned to the K-Pod switches (buttons) as described above. The owner's manual is growing as more information is added. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:23 PM To: Jim McDonald Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod macros Around? Beautiful! That's the Rosetta Stone I needed; From 9 on down to 16 in the Command Tester in the Utility: 9 = F1 10 = F2 11 = F3 And so on to 16 - F8 Maybe they will mention that in the next Rev of the owner's manual. Thank you all, now I'll have to figure out the more complex macros and how I might want to use them but that will come. And thanks to those who provided links to help me out as well, I will certainly check them out. 73, Gary KA1J > > Gary, > ? > Here are mine as of now: > ? > > ? > 11 and 12 do what you want.? 11 is F3 (tap), and 12 is F4 > (tap). > ? > 73, Jim N7US > ? > ? From holgerschurig at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 15:50:09 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:50:09 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? Message-ID: Hi all, I have an end-fed antenna with some random wire. The UNUN at one end of it has three sockets to plug the random wire in: 1:4, 1:9 and 1:16. My KX3 has the built-in ATU. I now want to find out on which band I best use which one of the sockets. As a first step, I wrote a simple program kx3lc.py (see https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5d53f5bdbc50782a9d5e2c8d7062be69) that can give me an output like this: holger at laptop:/usr/src/afu/kx3/swr$ ./kx3lc.py L: 0.12 mH, C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side Am I right to assume that the ATU settings with the lowest L is always the best? So when I have (for the three sockets), these values, L: 0.12 mH, C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side L: 0.0 mH, C: 246.0 pF on transmitter side L: 0.0 mH, C: 256.0 pF on antenna side (but lowest SWR 1.2-1) ... that the middle socket is the best? 73 Holger, DH3HS PS: those values are all bogus, I measured when when my end-fed was in a big curl inside my shack ... From jack at satterfield.org Thu Sep 29 15:52:19 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:52:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MH-2 Mic with Kenwood Message-ID: <000001d21a8a$fd2b2d40$f78187c0$@org> Trying to use the MH-2 mic with a Kenwood radio. It keys the transmitter but no audio, do I need to do anything to the mic for it to work with Kenwood HF radio? Thanks, Jack From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Sep 29 16:06:05 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:06:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1475176882.5007.54.camel@nk7z.net> References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> <2035cb5c-1b12-63e0-c7dc-cfba85fac6a8@triconet.org> <1475169307.5007.23.camel@nk7z.net> <2bd16c11-a5e6-6347-1e2d-6d7e0efdc977@triconet.org> <1475176882.5007.54.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: From a thread on _your_ blog N7PXY wrote: "I use a K3 but do not use a P3. Is there a way to have the keypad send the macros to the K3 directly?" You replied in part: "Probably by using the serial port on the K3, but you would have to save the Macros themselves in the Genovation..." I commented to this thus: "Any progress on this?" You replied: "Hi Wes, I am now actively looking into this..." So six months ago I was expressing to you an interest in having macros live in the keypad and play into a K3 sans P3. On 9/29/2016 12:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 11:46 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Oh, dear me. Maybe I should have said, "in the radio equipment as >> opposed to in the keypad." > Probably would have been a good idea on your part to actually say what > you are trying to communicate. >> The Genovation "solution" isn't a solution. The commands don't live >> in the keyboard which was my expressed desire. > Sigh... Your expressed desire was that they not be in the Radio, you > were unclear... > >> But of course you knew that. > No, I did not... I actually thought you were asking for some assistance > here, I see I was wrong. My error for trying to help... > From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Sep 29 16:21:24 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:21:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MH-2 Mic with Kenwood In-Reply-To: <000001d21a8a$fd2b2d40$f78187c0$@org> References: <000001d21a8a$fd2b2d40$f78187c0$@org> Message-ID: <3209C628-F6B8-4076-A749-AA7704D7653C@widomaker.com> Yes. Replace it with a dynamic mic. The MH2 is an electret mic and requires bias. It is possible to build an interface that will supply the bias. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 29, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Jack Satterfield wrote: > > Trying to use the MH-2 mic with a Kenwood radio. It keys the transmitter but > no audio, > > do I need to do anything to the mic for it to work with Kenwood HF radio? > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k9yeq at live.com Thu Sep 29 16:37:40 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:37:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 temporary high SWR on PTT with external Amplifier In-Reply-To: <60304de2-796e-747c-6999-d4f0c7d9ea4e@embarqmail.com> References: <1475165179260-7622916.post@n2.nabble.com> <60304de2-796e-747c-6999-d4f0c7d9ea4e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Not a cheap solution, but Heil produces a foot switch that sequences the key line. Of course this requires some wiring. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:08 PM To: EA2BD ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 temporary high SWR on PTT with external Amplifier Ignacio, The amplifier is not switching to the transmit state within the time between when the KX3 pulls PTT low and the time RF appears. I believe that time is about 8 milliseconds. Yes, your KX3 is working into an open load when that happens - hence the high SWR. That condition is known as "hot switching", and even if it does not eventually damage the KX3 PA, the relay contacts in your amplifier T/R changover will become pitted due to the arcing. One solution is to modify your amplifier with a QSK T/R switch or substitute fast vacuum relays. Another solution is not to use QSK or VOX - connect a footswitch to the KX3 PTT *input* (ACC2 jack's TIP connection) and set the ACC2 IO menu to LO=PTT if the footswitch grounds the connection. Then use the footswitch to put the KX3 into transmit before you operate the paddles or speak into the microphone. In other words, do not turn on VOX. Another way to put the KX3 into transmit mode without the footswitch is to use the XMIT button on the KX3. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/29/2016 12:06 PM, EA2BD via Elecraft wrote: > Hello, > I want to check if anyone experiences the same behaviour when > connecting the > KX3 to an external amplifier. > > - I receintly added an external amplifier to my KX3. > - I connected the PTT cable to the ACC2 port and to the amplifier. > - I set the Menu ACC2 on the KX3 to Active low, as specified. > - I verified if the cable works and it closes contact all right every > time I key down. > > The TROUBLE is: > Everytime I send a dit (CW) or start talking (Voice) the SWR indicator > on the KX3 shows full reading (Hi SWR!) just briefly and it quickly > relaxes down to normal reading (SWR 1:1) during the rest of transmission. > > I believe there should be any kind of delay between the TX on the KX3 > and the TX on the ampli, that causes the momentarily Hi SWR reading... > But this is extrange because the PTT cable is in! > > Does anyone have experienced similar phaenomena? > Any idea to overcome this? > Do you consider there will be a real overload on the finals due to > this small transient time? > > I drive with 2 watt out from the KX3 to get around 90W out from my > Amplifier. > > Wait for your feedback, many thanks! > 73 de Ignacio EA2BD > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-temporary-high-SWR-on-PTT-wit > h-external-Amplifier-tp7622916.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 29 16:43:18 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:43:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation keypad In-Reply-To: References: <57D1C52C.6030903@roadrunner.com> <1473384450.3900.20.camel@nk7z.net> <1473384651.3900.24.camel@nk7z.net> <32df651f-1626-eb32-0da5-3352f3da9736@triconet.org> <1475122827.4974.20.camel@nk7z.net> <2035cb5c-1b12-63e0-c7dc-cfba85fac6a8@triconet.org> <1475169307.5007.23.camel@nk7z.net> <2bd16c11-a5e6-6347-1e2d-6d7e0efdc977@triconet.org> <1475176882.5007.54.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <1475181798.5007.71.camel@nk7z.net> On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 13:06 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: > ?From a thread on _your_ blog N7PXY wrote: > > ????"I use a K3 but do not use a P3. Is there a way to have the keypad > send the ? ? macros to the K3 directly?" > > You replied in part: > > ????"Probably by using the serial port on the K3, but you would have > to save the ? ? Macros themselves in the Genovation..." > > I commented to this thus: > > ????"Any progress on this?" > > You replied: > > ????"Hi Wes, > > ????I am now actively looking into this..." > > So six months ago I was expressing to you an interest in having macros > live in the keypad and play into a K3 sans P3. That's great... ?Changes nothing here, in this discussion, but glad you asked... ?The Genovation is still a solution for me, even though it uses the P3... ? I looked at your QRZ page, and I see you are using an different Panadaptor, which is why you dislike the Genovation solution, which I now understand. Related-- I would bet money there is no way to make the Genovation actually feed a macro into the K3 directly, save a total rewrite of the code for the Genovation, which I am not going to do... ? I am however now working on a using a Raspberry Pi to more directly control the K3. ?I suspect a more direct method of controlling the K3, allowing macros to be shot into it, without the P3 will be forthcoming as a result of this. ? That is however a winter project. ?I will probably use the Genovation as the input device for the Raspberry Pi, then just fire commands directly to the K3 from the Pi. ?I need to get my head wrapped around the protocol for talking directly to the K3 first... ?That is my delay in this... --? 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From jack at satterfield.org Thu Sep 29 16:44:08 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (jack) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:44:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MH-2 Mic with Kenwood Message-ID: Bill....thanksJackW4GRJ Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Nr4c Date: 9/29/16 16:21 (GMT-05:00) To: Jack Satterfield Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MH-2 Mic with Kenwood Yes. Replace it with a dynamic mic. The MH2 is an electret mic and requires bias.?? It is possible to build an interface that will supply the bias. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Sep 29, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Jack Satterfield wrote: > > Trying to use the MH-2 mic with a Kenwood radio. It keys the transmitter but > no audio, > > do I need to do anything to the mic for it to work with Kenwood HF radio? > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ea2bd at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 16:55:56 2016 From: ea2bd at yahoo.com (EA2BD) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:55:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 temporary high SWR on PTT with external Amplifier In-Reply-To: References: <1475165179260-7622916.post@n2.nabble.com> <60304de2-796e-747c-6999-d4f0c7d9ea4e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1475182556995-7622934.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello, thanks for all your comments. Okay, that's what I supposed it was going on. I'll try to find a way to get out of this and make the amp switches earlier. Take care, 73 Ignacio -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-temporary-high-SWR-on-PTT-with-external-Amplifier-tp7622916p7622934.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Sep 29 16:57:22 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:57:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> > Am I right to assume that the ATU settings with the lowest L is > always the best? I don't know exactly what you mean by "best," but you said "always" so I'd say no. If the length of your wire is in the vicinity of n * 90 degrees where n is any odd integer, it will have a low-ish impedance at the end and 1:1 would be appropriate [if your UNUN had it]. If the length is around 180 degrees [or any integer multiple thereof] it will exhibit a fairly high impedance. How long is the wire? What band? If the 1:4, 1:9, and 1:16 that you quote are turns ratios, the impedance transformation equals the square of them. 12,800 ohms and a 16:1 turns ratio yields 50 ohms. 12 Kohms likely exceeds the impedance at the end of a half-wave by quite a bit. The Elecraft ATU losses are very low unless you're trying to match some outrageous impedance at the end of or beyond it's useful range. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 9/29/2016 12:50 PM, Holger Schurig wrote: > Hi all, > > I have an end-fed antenna with some random wire. The UNUN at one end of it > has three sockets to plug the random wire in: 1:4, 1:9 and 1:16. > > My KX3 has the built-in ATU. > > I now want to find out on which band I best use which one of the sockets. > As a first step, I wrote a simple program kx3lc.py (see > https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5d53f5bdbc50782a9d5e2c8d7062be69) that > can give me an output like this: > > holger at laptop:/usr/src/afu/kx3/swr$ ./kx3lc.py > L: 0.12 mH, C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side > > > Am I right to assume that the ATU settings with the lowest L is always the > best? So when I have (for the three sockets), these values, > > L: 0.12 mH, C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side > L: 0.0 mH, C: 246.0 pF on transmitter side > L: 0.0 mH, C: 256.0 pF on antenna side (but lowest SWR 1.2-1) > > ... that the middle socket is the best? > > 73 > Holger, DH3HS From hms4 at lehigh.edu Thu Sep 29 17:01:31 2016 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:01:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need of an external sound card with the KX2 Message-ID: I plan to do some light weight travel with my KX2 running JT65, JT9 etc in the future. Can I connect the audio in and out ports of the KX2 directly into my laptop or will I need an external device like a Signal Link. If not needed how will the software key the KX2? Howard AE3T From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Sep 29 17:10:34 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 14:10:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? In-Reply-To: <6F68C58E89334401B7043BE8194BAD5F@home.dns> Message-ID: Note: Even if you don't know CW, you can program a memory in the radio using the K3/K3S/KX3 utility to send the sequence. Just press the button to sent the sequence and look at the reverse beacon network. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/29/16 at 3:47 AM, K8UT at charter.net (Larry Gauthier (K8UT)) wrote: >BUT, you can measure those differences yourself. Tune-up on the >Buddistick in the CW portion and send the string "test test de > ". Move your VFO 5 KHz and send >the same string on the random wire. > >Then open your browser to the Reverse Beacon Network's search page and enter your callsign. >http://www.reversebeacon.net/srch.php >Compare your received signal strength on each antenna by the >stations who heard you. Run the test a few times to minimize >QSB and propagation fading. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From hickspj467 at comcast.net Thu Sep 29 17:11:58 2016 From: hickspj467 at comcast.net (P.J.Hicks) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] gennovation keypad Message-ID: <1672754585.9087605.1475183518338.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I have been trying to follow the adventures of those of you interested in using a Genovation Keypad with a K3 or K3s and I believe the waters have become muddied a bit. I think the gentleman wants to do what i want to do and that is to use a Genovation connected to the radio without having a P3 involved. Maybe I'm wrong. As stated before, I have used a G-keypad on my KX3 for several years and it is convenient and works well. However I have not been able to make it work with the K3 in any of the ways I have tried to set it up. Firstly I believe I do not know what the data stream data the K3 requires; I thought it was serial ASCI. It is obviously different from what the KX3 requires. But then again I may be wrong. The Genovation, in my understanding, sends ASCI text via the serial port to the KX3 where it is interpreted as commends and executed. What am I missing here? If the K3 accepts ASCI commands from the Elecraft K3 Utility and the KX3 accepts ASCI commands from the KX3 Utility, why are they not interchangeable? 73 and keep it civil, PJH, N7PXY From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 29 17:22:12 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:22:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need of an external sound card with the KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c12d8f9-1925-baf2-c1f3-f6ace9cc5695@embarqmail.com> Howard, One downside to using an internal soundcard is that many have a higher noise level than external USB soundcards (the SignaLink is *not* among the quietest). The second is that the internal (default) soundcard will be the one that produces the sounds used by your OS, and you certainly don't want those being transmitted over the air - but you can always turn off system sounds. If your laptop contains a built-in microphone, make certain it is turned off as well when using the default soundcard or the room sounds and voices picked up by the microphone can be transmitted. Other than the considerations above, the internal soundcard should work fine. You do not need PTT, use VOX, it works fine - in fact, that is how the SignaLink develops its "PTT" output - it detects tones from the soundcard and activates PTT - VOX in the KX2/3 will accomplish the same thing. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/29/2016 5:01 PM, Howard Sherer wrote: > I plan to do some light weight travel with my KX2 running JT65, JT9 etc in > the future. Can I connect the audio in and out ports of the KX2 directly > into my laptop or will I need an external device like a Signal Link. If not > needed how will the software key the KX2? > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 29 17:43:55 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:43:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MH-2 Mic with Kenwood In-Reply-To: <000001d21a8a$fd2b2d40$f78187c0$@org> References: <000001d21a8a$fd2b2d40$f78187c0$@org> Message-ID: <8ab8c74b-be3d-8dc6-21c5-9026428b3877@embarqmail.com> Jack and all, Not all microphones are created equal, and you have to know something about the microphone characteristics and the capability of the transceiver that you want it to work with. Quite generally, there are 2 classes of microphones - dynamic and electret (condenser) types. The electret types need a bias voltage applied to the AF pin (through a resistor - usually 5K to 10k to 5 volts or 8 volts). The dynamic types do not need that bias voltage, and will "sound funny" if it applied because the bias offsets the position of the coil in the dynamic mic. The K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2 have menu settings allowing that bias voltage to be turned on or off - the K2 uses a resistor connected to the AF mic pin to accomplish the same thing. So -- a Kenwood microphone can be used on an Elecraft transceiver, but not the other way around because the Kenwood does not supply bias to the mic. You could modify the Kenwood to add a resistor on the back of the Mic Jack between pin 5 and pin 1 to bias the MH2 (note: no dash in Elecraft products), or you can add an external adapter to accomplish the same thing. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/29/2016 3:52 PM, Jack Satterfield wrote: > Trying to use the MH-2 mic with a Kenwood radio. It keys the transmitter but > no audio, > > do I need to do anything to the mic for it to work with Kenwood HF radio? > > From philippe at f5iyj.com Thu Sep 29 18:29:24 2016 From: philippe at f5iyj.com (Philippe) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:29:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - low power/reception on 80m In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160929222923.GA26720@home.f5iyj.com> Hi, thanks Matt & Don for your messages. The issue is located on the K2, not on the PA I checked K3 and K8. K3 looks fine but it looks like I have a shortcut between the pins 7-8-9. I will get another relay and change K8. Thanks again Cheers, -- Phil F5IYJ / NK2F From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 29 19:12:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - low power/reception on 80m In-Reply-To: <20160929222923.GA26720@home.f5iyj.com> References: <20160929222923.GA26720@home.f5iyj.com> Message-ID: <51e87700-d5f5-b5e7-2ec9-80c2074ad5a1@embarqmail.com> Phil, Don't be too quick to draw that conclusion. Note that everything in the Low Pass Filter will appear to be connected to ground at DC. If you want to make a valid DC resistance check, you have to lift lead 4 of T4 and re-measure. Good that you have isolated it to the base K2. Take a good look at the toroid leads for L16 and L17. You should not see any enamel on the solder side and there should not be a ring around the toroid leads - that is an indication that the lead was not properly stripped and tinned. In addition, there should be a bit of tinned lead exposed on the component side. It would be nice to know if the prior owner operated it on 80 meters. The relays in the base K2 are latching type, so you can set to the band of interest and then turn power off to make resistance readings at the relay contacts. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/29/2016 6:29 PM, Philippe wrote: > Hi, > thanks Matt & Don for your messages. > The issue is located on the K2, not on the PA > I checked K3 and K8. K3 looks fine but it looks like I have a shortcut between the pins 7-8-9. > I will get another relay and change K8. > > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 20:04:52 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1084680188.1650234.1475193892639@mail.yahoo.com> Fred said it right,? Let me go to another side of the question.? No auto-transformer can match all of the antenna reflected impedances,? but using a parallel tank circuit to ground CAN.? The beauty of this arrangement is that you can tap the coil on the input of the coil and tap the output for a VERY wide range of impedance.? R and j .? What seems to have been lost in the transition from ancient and now is that we did not have ATU's.? All of the PRE now used tuned circuit match boxes.? Now you have to think about it for a few minutes. Let me explain, the tuned parallel tank circuit can do a wide range of matching BECAUSE, If you tun the tank to one side of resonance your get a negative reactance,? if you tune it to the other side you get positive reactance.?? HUMMMMMMM. If the tank circuit is a true resonant one, the impedance across the coil from top to bottom is a range of the impedance available from HIZ to ZERO.? This is the beauty of the parallel tuned circuit over a auto transformer.? Oh well at least I remember it..... Mel, K6KBE From: Fred Jensen To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? > Am I right to assume that the ATU settings with the lowest L is > always the best? I don't know exactly what you mean by "best," but you said "always" so I'd say no.? If the length of your wire is in the vicinity of n * 90 degrees where n is any odd integer, it will have a low-ish impedance at the end and 1:1 would be appropriate [if your UNUN had it].? If the length is around 180 degrees [or any integer multiple thereof] it will exhibit a fairly high impedance. How long is the wire? What band? If the 1:4, 1:9, and 1:16 that you quote are turns ratios, the impedance transformation equals the square of them.? 12,800 ohms and a 16:1 turns ratio yields 50 ohms.? 12 Kohms likely exceeds the impedance at the end of a half-wave by quite a bit. The Elecraft ATU losses are very low unless you're trying to match some outrageous impedance at the end of or beyond it's useful range. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 9/29/2016 12:50 PM, Holger Schurig wrote: > Hi all, > > I have an end-fed antenna with some random wire. The UNUN at one end of it > has three sockets to plug the random wire in: 1:4, 1:9 and 1:16. > > My KX3 has the built-in ATU. > > I now want to find out on which band I best use which one of the sockets. > As a first step, I wrote a simple program kx3lc.py (see > https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5d53f5bdbc50782a9d5e2c8d7062be69) that > can give me an output like this: > > holger at laptop:/usr/src/afu/kx3/swr$ ./kx3lc.py > L: 0.12 mH,? C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side > > > Am I right to assume that the ATU settings with the lowest L is always the > best?? So when I have (for the three sockets), these values, > > L: 0.12 mH,? C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side > L: 0.0 mH,? C: 246.0 pF on transmitter side > L: 0.0 mH,? C: 256.0 pF on antenna side? (but lowest SWR 1.2-1) > > ... that the middle socket is the best? > > 73 > Holger, DH3HS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 29 20:41:17 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <1084680188.1650234.1475193892639@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <1084680188.1650234.1475193892639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mel, Your points are well taken when you are feeding an end-fed half wave or a radiator of a multiple of a half wave. The ideal parallel tank circuit should be fed with a coupling coil that is isolated from the larger secondary coil - that reduces or eliminates common mode currents in the shack. That solution is practical for open coil configurations where the user can tap the antenna to any point on the coil of the tuned circuit. However, the tapping choices are limited in a compact, portable implementation for use in portable operation which use toroids for the inductor. We used to use those isolated link coupled ATUs constructed of open coil inductors where it was practical to tap the coil at any point, but today's world of toroid wound inductors, that is not as easy. If one has a resonant parallel tuned circuit, it will match very high impedance, and a series tuned circuit will match very low impedance. The link coupling will provide isolation from common mode currents. Those type of ATU's work very well with a wide range of antennas with varying feedpoint impedance. However, the physical implementation of the ability to tap the antenna to any turn of the high impedance tuned resonant inductor requires a physically large coil. While it will work *very* well, it is not consistent with small ATUs used for portable operation. If you have a fixed length radiator and work only a single band, you can devise a link coupled tuner that will do a great job, but if you are multiband, and do not want to fiddle with coil taps, the auto-transformer is a good compromise. Yes, I still have my link coupled ATUs with plug-in coils for each band and also have a Johnson Matchbox which is also link coupled. They do the job well, but the convenience of toroid wound ATUs is an advantage in simplicity and convenience. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/29/2016 8:04 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Fred said it right, > > Let me go to another side of the question. No auto-transformer can match all of the antenna reflected impedances, but using a parallel tank circuit to ground CAN. The beauty of this arrangement is that you can tap the coil on the input of the coil and tap the output for a VERY wide range of impedance. R and j . What seems to have been lost in the transition from ancient and now is that we did not have ATU's. All of the PRE now used tuned circuit match boxes. Now you have to think about it for a few minutes. > Let me explain, the tuned parallel tank circuit can do a wide range of matching BECAUSE, If you tun the tank to one side of resonance your get a negative reactance, if you tune it to the other side you get positive reactance. HUMMMMMMM. > If the tank circuit is a true resonant one, the impedance across the coil from top to bottom is a range of the impedance available from HIZ to ZERO. This is the beauty of the parallel tuned circuit over a auto transformer. Oh well at least I remember it..... > Mel, K6KBE > From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 29 20:52:31 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:52:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] gennovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1672754585.9087605.1475183518338.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1672754585.9087605.1475183518338.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1475196751.5007.87.camel@nk7z.net> On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 21:11 +0000, P.J.Hicks wrote: > As stated before, I have used a G-keypad on my KX3 for several years > and it is convenient and works well. However I have not been able to > make it work with the K3 in any of the ways I have tried to set it up. Nor have I, and I have tried at least three different ways as well... > Firstly I believe I do not know what the data stream data the K3 > requires; I thought it was serial ASCI. It is obviously different from > what the KX3 requires. That was the part about getting my head around the protocol I mentioned in a previous post... ?I need to find out exactly how the P3 fires macros into the K3, then have the Raspberry Pi do the same. ?After that, it will be a snap to connect the keypad to the Pi. ?I believe the Pig Knob does it, so it is something that is doable. > But then again I may be wrong. The Genovation, in my understanding, > sends ASCI text via the serial port to the KX3 where it is interpreted > as commends and executed. > What am I missing here? > If the K3 accepts ASCI commands from the Elecraft K3 Utility and the > KX3 accepts ASCI commands from the KX3 Utility, why are they not > interchangeable?? Because they are not implemented the same-- that seems to be the only conclusion I can come too in this. ?You said it upthread, the two don't accept the same command set, yet they both send ASCII... ?I think you are correct. ?I suspect there is another layer of protocol involved, which is being transferred via ASCII. ? What I need to do is to get Wireshark, (a port snooper), going and look at the data leaving the P3... ?That will answer many questions. > 73 and keep it civil Always do... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From ww3s at zoominternet.net Thu Sep 29 20:57:42 2016 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] external auto tuner for K3? Message-ID: <13D6962C46CA44CF92EDEA46FCDF5CA2@ww3s> Any thoughts or suggestions? I have the internal Elecraft tuner, but looking for something I can place on the antenna side of the bandpass filter.... From dave at nk7z.net Thu Sep 29 21:02:45 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 18:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] gennovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1475196751.5007.87.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1672754585.9087605.1475183518338.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <1475196751.5007.87.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <1475197365.5007.93.camel@nk7z.net> On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 17:52 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: > On Thu, 2016-09-29 at 21:11 +0000, P.J.Hicks wrote: > > > > As stated before, I have used a G-keypad on my KX3 for several years > > and it is convenient and works well. However I have not been able to > > make it work with the K3 in any of the ways I have tried to set it > > up. > > Nor have I, and I have tried at least three different ways as well... > > > > > Firstly I believe I do not know what the data stream data the K3 > > requires; I thought it was serial ASCI. It is obviously different > > from what the KX3 requires.? > > That was the part about getting my head around the protocol I > mentioned in a previous post... ?I need to find out exactly how the P3 > fires macros into the K3, then have the Raspberry Pi do the same. > ?After that, it will be a snap to connect the keypad to the Pi. ?I > believe the Pig Knob does it, so it is something that is doable. > > > > > But then again I may be wrong. The Genovation, in my understanding, > > sends ASCI text via the serial port to the KX3 where it is > > interpreted as commends and executed.? > > > > What am I missing here?? > > > > If the K3 accepts ASCI commands from the Elecraft K3 Utility and the > > KX3 accepts ASCI commands from the KX3 Utility, why are they not > > interchangeable?? > > Because they are not implemented the same-- that seems to be the only > conclusion I can come too in this. ?You said it upthread, the two > don't accept the same command set, yet they both send ASCII... ?I > think you are correct. ?I suspect there is another layer of protocol > involved, which is being transferred via ASCII. ? > > What I need to do is to get Wireshark, (a port snooper), going and > look at the data leaving the P3... ?That will answer many questions. > > > > > 73 and keep it civil > > Always do... It just hit me why it fails... ?I believe that the keyboards are not sending out ASCII, but scan codes... ?See: http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/hex-to-ascii.htm The protocol stack on the P3 does not interpret scan codes, which is what the Keyboards send out... ?While I would bet the KX3 protocol stack does interpret them... Don't know why this never occurred to me before... ?Thanks for asking the question the way you did! ?It triggered something in my head! -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From k2cm.george at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 21:07:04 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] external auto tuner for K3? In-Reply-To: <13D6962C46CA44CF92EDEA46FCDF5CA2@ww3s> References: <13D6962C46CA44CF92EDEA46FCDF5CA2@ww3s> Message-ID: <848BA012-97E2-44CC-8711-D8FE3519AB5E@gmail.com> KAT500 works well. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote: > > Any thoughts or suggestions? I have the internal Elecraft tuner, but looking for something I can place on the antenna side of the bandpass filter.... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Thu Sep 29 23:21:58 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:21:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <1084680188.1650234.1475193892639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601d21ac9$cdcfc4e0$696f4ea0$@biz> I have such a tuner that I built years ago because my favorite antennas are doublets (center fed wires of various lengths) or, when necessary, an end fed wire. In the latter case I prefer a 1/2 or multiple of 1/2 wave long wire because the very high impedance at the feed point means very low "ground" currents and so very low "ground" losses. Mine has a center link that is tuned with a variable cap in series and a split rotor variable cap across the main coil. Taps set the number of active turns in the link and the main coil. The feeders are tapped onto the main coil as well. With all those taps (accomplished by alligator clips) it looks like something Igor would have in Dr. Frankenstein's lab, hence my name for it: Frankentuner. It takes a little fiddling to find the tap positions but once noted one can switch bands quite easily. If feeding a doublet, the taps are set equidistant from the center. The further toward the end, the higher the impedance being presented by the feeders. At the other extreme, the main coil can be opened at the center to put the feeder in series with the main coil for very low impedances. For an end-fed wire, only one tap is used where it best matches the impedance of the radiator. The right positions are found with two criteria: 1) low SWR on the link between the Frankentuner and the rig and 2) lowest over all "Q" in the tuner (high Q results in unnecessarily high circulating currents and losses and requires more frequent adjustment while moving around a band). It's a design that was very popular in the days before the demand to hop across the Ham bands in milliseconds. It does take 15 or 30 seconds to configure it for a new band and a few more to do a "tune" for adjusting the caps. It does not fit in a tiny enclosure with nice lighted buttons that look "modern". All I care about is that it works. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 5:41 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? Mel, Your points are well taken when you are feeding an end-fed half wave or a radiator of a multiple of a half wave. The ideal parallel tank circuit should be fed with a coupling coil that is isolated from the larger secondary coil - that reduces or eliminates common mode currents in the shack. That solution is practical for open coil configurations where the user can tap the antenna to any point on the coil of the tuned circuit. However, the tapping choices are limited in a compact, portable implementation for use in portable operation which use toroids for the inductor. We used to use those isolated link coupled ATUs constructed of open coil inductors where it was practical to tap the coil at any point, but today's world of toroid wound inductors, that is not as easy. If one has a resonant parallel tuned circuit, it will match very high impedance, and a series tuned circuit will match very low impedance. The link coupling will provide isolation from common mode currents. Those type of ATU's work very well with a wide range of antennas with varying feedpoint impedance. However, the physical implementation of the ability to tap the antenna to any turn of the high impedance tuned resonant inductor requires a physically large coil. While it will work *very* well, it is not consistent with small ATUs used for portable operation. If you have a fixed length radiator and work only a single band, you can devise a link coupled tuner that will do a great job, but if you are multiband, and do not want to fiddle with coil taps, the auto-transformer is a good compromise. Yes, I still have my link coupled ATUs with plug-in coils for each band and also have a Johnson Matchbox which is also link coupled. They do the job well, but the convenience of toroid wound ATUs is an advantage in simplicity and convenience. 73, Don W3FPR From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Sep 30 00:44:32 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:44:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413365e5-d9ae-c0f1-2646-8b6c455cf4e6@audiosystemsgroup.com> This discussion makes me wonder if the ARRL Handbook and the ARRL Antenna Book have somehow been banned! This is BASIC antennas, guys. This is not CB radio, it is ham radio, and we're supposed to be able to study this stuff and figure it out! Building antennas is one the easiest parts of ham radio to do yourself, and once you've invested the time to learn the fundamentals, it's a lot of fun! New copies of these books can be bought for less than the cost of the overpriced antennas mentioned here that mostly don't work very well, while the cost of the wire to build much better antennas can be had for a few dollars! Wire as small as #22 works fine for temporary wire antennas for QRP operation. Insulators are easy to improvise with piece of plastic with holes drilled in them. While we can make a wire of random length load (take power) and radiate, it's far easier if we make it a quarter wave. "One size fits all" antennas are like "one size fits all" clothing. They work, sort of, but FITS (and LOOKS) a heckuva lot better. The most expensive part of a vertical for portable or hiking operation is whatever you use to hold it up. I paid about $100 for a 10M long telescoping fiberglass pole that collapses to 1 M. Tape the wire to it, run out a couple of radials, and you've got a great antenna for any band between 40M and 10M (just trim the wires to a quarter wave on the band you want to work). For less than $10, you could do the same with 2-3 10 ft lengths of 1/2-in PVC conduit. The picture of me on my qrz.com page is from our Chicago club's annual QRP night in a local park My antenna was #22 wire wound on that 10M pole, the pole was wedged between the seat and the top of the picnic bench so it was at roughly 45 degrees to vertical, and I had one or two radials laying on the ground. In a few hours, I made a half dozen QSOs on 30M, including busting a pileup. A few years ago, W6GJB and I set up on a peak near Sacramento with a KX3 running on internal AAs into a similar antenna for 15M. We worked three continents in about 10 minutes. There were two radials laying on top of low brush. The vertical element was held up by a small tripod intended for a small camera. Nothing personal intended, but my opinion of virtually all of these antennas you buy comes under the heading of "a fool and his money." 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,9/29/2016 12:50 PM, Holger Schurig wrote: > Hi all, > > I have an end-fed antenna with some random wire. The UNUN at one end of it > has three sockets to plug the random wire in: 1:4, 1:9 and 1:16. > > My KX3 has the built-in ATU. > > I now want to find out on which band I best use which one of the sockets. > As a first step, I wrote a simple program kx3lc.py (see > https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5d53f5bdbc50782a9d5e2c8d7062be69) that > can give me an output like this: > > holger at laptop:/usr/src/afu/kx3/swr$ ./kx3lc.py > L: 0.12 mH, C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side > > > Am I right to assume that the ATU settings with the lowest L is always the > best? So when I have (for the three sockets), these values, > > L: 0.12 mH, C: 203.0 pF on transmitter side > L: 0.0 mH, C: 246.0 pF on transmitter side > L: 0.0 mH, C: 256.0 pF on antenna side (but lowest SWR 1.2-1) > > ... that the middle socket is the best? > > 73 > Holger, DH3HS > > > > From holgerschurig at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 02:24:32 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:24:32 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> Message-ID: <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> Fred Jensen writes: > How long is the wire? > What band? Who knowns? I'm not asking for a *specific* optimization, I'm asking for a general rule of thumb. I'm not talking about a permanent installation, I'm talking about going to some field, or hill. I don't know the band in advance, I don't know the propagation conditions. And I have several lengths of wire with me, I can adjust the wire length. And given the circumstances of the location, even the layout of my wire (only on fiber glass post, between tree and fiber glass post, etc) will change (e.g. sloper, vertical, etc). Even the high will be undefined and/or changeable. That is actually to fun (for me): to change things and try out. But then arises the question: if I change this or that ... how can I find out what setting is "good" or maybe even "best". Assuming I have only the things with me that I normally have with me when I'm in the field: KX3 and laptop. The most easy thing to change (because it's often near the bottom) is the UNUN tap I'm using. And I can check the LC-setting in the ATU. And now I would like to know if there is a method --- in the field --- where I can optimize wire and tap. And if a low inductance of the ATU could be measure for it. And if this is true in both setings (the inducator can be at the antenna side or at the radio side). So either this question has never been solved amongst the readers here ... or I'm completely on the wrong track and shouldn't care at all what the ATU finds as a match. So far Ron's answer come the farthest in answering the question, he optimizes for a high impedance. Then I should go for the highest impedance and select 1:16, should I? 73, Holger DHSHS From holgerschurig at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 02:29:41 2016 From: holgerschurig at gmail.com (Holger Schurig) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:29:41 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8760pdaoiy.fsf@gmail.com> > Then I should go for the highest impedance and select 1:16, should I? I meant antenna impedance, not the impedance of the internal ATU inductor. From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 03:06:20 2016 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:06:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <8760pdaoiy.fsf@gmail.com> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> <8760pdaoiy.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you are working QRP, take a look at http://www.qrpproject.de/UK/atu.htm This describes the 'Fuchs' half wave antenna and a matching unit in kit form. I have built this, very compact, it works well, gives a good indication of optimum tune adjustment and is not totally dependent on a good radial ground system. 73, Denis F5VJC On 30 September 2016 at 08:29, Holger Schurig wrote: > > Then I should go for the highest impedance and select 1:16, should I? > > I meant antenna impedance, not the impedance of the internal ATU > inductor. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Sep 30 06:33:11 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:33:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] gennovation keypad In-Reply-To: <1475197365.5007.93.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1475197365.5007.93.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <0a789825-449c-939d-ea1a-8b191b865c01@nycap.rr.com> Has anyone thought about simply asking the folks at Elecraft how it all works? Seems to me that getting factual answers from them would be far better than beating it to death here. Bill W2BLC K-Line From jack at satterfield.org Fri Sep 30 07:13:03 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 07:13:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS MH2 Mic Message-ID: <000601d21b0b$9d5c2e60$d8148b20$@org> For Sale is a New MH2 mic, purchased when I got my K3 but never used. I was going to use on my Kenwood but learned here I would have to modify the mic, don't want to do that. Selling for $48 mailed. Responses off line please. Jack W4GRJ From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 07:42:16 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:42:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 issue Message-ID: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> I am running a KX3 into a KXPA100. It all plays very nicely except for one issue; on a seemingly random basis, it seems to lose communications between them in a big way. The KX3 has (without my doing anything) reset the PA Mode to Off, and the PWR to 5.0. When this happens, let's say I have power set to 30 watts; the KXPA100 shuts down and to get it back up, I have to go to the KX3, re-enable PA MODE from Off to On, and and reset the PWR level from 5.0 watts to 30 watts. My questions are: 1. Is anyone else experiencing this? 2. What is going on? 3. How do I fix it Any help appreciated. Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave From w4grj at satterfield.org Fri Sep 30 08:06:55 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:06:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS MH2 Mic In-Reply-To: <000601d21b0b$9d5c2e60$d8148b20$@org> References: <000601d21b0b$9d5c2e60$d8148b20$@org> Message-ID: <000001d21b13$238282d0$6a878870$@org> MH2 is SOLD Jack W4GRJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack Satterfield Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:13 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] FS MH2 Mic For Sale is a New MH2 mic, purchased when I got my K3 but never used. I was going to use on my Kenwood but learned here I would have to modify the mic, don't want to do that. Selling for $48 mailed. Responses off line please. Jack W4GRJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From gallsup at whoi.edu Fri Sep 30 08:20:59 2016 From: gallsup at whoi.edu (Geoff Allsup) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would be my first suggestion. geoff - W1OH Sent from my iPhone Geoff Allsup, W1OH gallsup at whoi.edu or w1oh at whoi.edu Senior Engineer Upper Ocean Processes Group Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA > On Sep 30, 2016, at 07:42, David F. Reed wrote: > > I am running a KX3 into a KXPA100. > > It all plays very nicely except for one issue; on a seemingly random basis, it seems to lose communications between them in a big way. The KX3 has (without my doing anything) reset the PA Mode to Off, and the PWR to 5.0. When this happens, let's say I have power set to 30 watts; the KXPA100 shuts down and to get it back up, I have to go to the KX3, re-enable PA MODE from Off to On, and and reset the PWR level from 5.0 watts to 30 watts. > > My questions are: > > 1. Is anyone else experiencing this? > 2. What is going on? > 3. How do I fix it > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gallsup at whoi.edu > From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Sep 30 09:07:35 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:07:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1475240855605-7622958.post@n2.nabble.com> Make sure you turn off the KX3 before you shut off power supply. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-KXPA100-issue-tp7622955p7622958.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri Sep 30 09:18:33 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: P3 Panadaptor + P3SVGA video adaptor /FFT processor References: <529985676.6468805.1475241513883.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <529985676.6468805.1475241513883@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Elecrafters, I am now downsizing my shack. ?The above is available for sale at USD799 including shipping by insured air parcel to major cities around the world. I am the original owner, non -smoker. Excellent condition with manual.? If you are interested or would like to see the photo, please contact me off-the-list at vr2xmc at yahoo dot com dot hk 73 Johnny VR2XMC From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 09:24:11 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:24:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> Message-ID: Geoff, Thanks for the idea... That might be it; I am not in the shack when it happens, though if that were it, I would be surprised, as I have the internal batteries in place, and I would have thought that the power doesn't go away if the external supply drops. Could be just enough I guess... Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave On 9/30/16 07:20, Geoff Allsup wrote: > If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power > off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would > be my first suggestion. > > geoff - W1OH > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Geoff Allsup, W1OH gallsup at whoi.edu or > w1oh at whoi.edu > Senior Engineer Upper Ocean Processes Group > Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA > > > On Sep 30, 2016, at 07:42, David F. Reed > wrote: > >> I am running a KX3 into a KXPA100. >> >> It all plays very nicely except for one issue; on a seemingly random >> basis, it seems to lose communications between them in a big way. The >> KX3 has (without my doing anything) reset the PA Mode to Off, and the >> PWR to 5.0. When this happens, let's say I have power set to 30 >> watts; the KXPA100 shuts down and to get it back up, I have to go to >> the KX3, re-enable PA MODE from Off to On, and and reset the PWR >> level from 5.0 watts to 30 watts. >> >> My questions are: >> >> 1. Is anyone else experiencing this? >> 2. What is going on? >> 3. How do I fix it >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 09:29:30 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:29:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: <6F51A470-8FAA-4903-8EFC-B70EA9F0B44E@gmail.com> References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <6F51A470-8FAA-4903-8EFC-B70EA9F0B44E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Joel, thanks for the help; typically I am not in the shack when this happens. Software sometimes running WSJT-X, sometimes DXLab suite. Firmware revisions: KX3 - MCU: 02.38, DSP 01.37 ... KXPA100 - 01.35 thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave On 9/30/16 06:55, Joel Black wrote: > Dave, > > I run the same setup adding the PX3. First, I am *not* experiencing this with my setup. Second, what are you doing (i.e. software controls, macros, etc.) right *before* this happens? What version of F/W are you running on each? > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > >> On Sep 30, 2016, at 06:42, David F. Reed wrote: >> >> I am running a KX3 into a KXPA100. >> >> It all plays very nicely except for one issue; on a seemingly random basis, it seems to lose communications between them in a big way. The KX3 has (without my doing anything) reset the PA Mode to Off, and the PWR to 5.0. When this happens, let's say I have power set to 30 watts; the KXPA100 shuts down and to get it back up, I have to go to the KX3, re-enable PA MODE from Off to On, and and reset the PWR level from 5.0 watts to 30 watts. >> >> My questions are: >> >> 1. Is anyone else experiencing this? >> 2. What is going on? >> 3. How do I fix it >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 30 09:30:09 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:30:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Holger, There are many answers to your questions. You will have to get more specific about the wire lengths and the band(s) of operation for specific answers. If you want an easy antenna that will work for 40 thru 10 meters with no feedline, download the KXAT1 manual from Elecraft and look at page 10. It is just two wires and a BNC to binding post adapter, you can't get much simpler than that. If you just want to experiment with antennas, feedlines and matching networks, do it with some education - get the ARRL Handbook and the ARRL Antenna Book ans spend some time studying while doing your experiments. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/30/2016 2:24 AM, Holger Schurig wrote: > Fred Jensen writes: > >> How long is the wire? >> What band? > Who knowns? I'm not asking for a *specific* optimization, I'm asking > for a general rule of thumb. > > I'm not talking about a permanent installation, I'm talking about going > to some field, or hill. I don't know the band in advance, I don't know > the propagation conditions. And I have several lengths of wire with me, > I can adjust the wire length. And given the circumstances of the > location, even the layout of my wire (only on fiber glass post, between > tree and fiber glass post, etc) will change (e.g. sloper, vertical, > etc). Even the high will be undefined and/or changeable. > > That is actually to fun (for me): to change things and try out. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 30 09:43:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <4db319b3-23d1-83d1-6c98-fee655cb224a@embarqmail.com> David, The KX3 may still be running by virtue of the internal batteries if the KXPA100 power drops, but that will not prevent the KX3 from turning off the PA ON menu and dropping the power to 5 volts. Check your power cable - look in the end of the APP connector. If you see the end of 2 pieces of metal (both the spring finger and the contact blade) the contact blade is not latched, give it a push from the wire side until it latches. Check the connections at your power supply, they must be tight - if you can move them at all, they are not tight. Also check the fuse and fuseholder. The fuse must make tight contact with the fuseholder contacts. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/30/2016 9:24 AM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Geoff, > > Thanks for the idea... That might be it; I am not in the shack when it > happens, though if that were it, I would be surprised, as I have the > internal batteries in place, and I would have thought that the power > doesn't go away if the external supply drops. Could be just enough I > guess... > > Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave > > > On 9/30/16 07:20, Geoff Allsup wrote: >> If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power >> off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would >> be my first suggestion. >> >> From nineback at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 09:46:11 2016 From: nineback at gmail.com (Tom) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Hum Message-ID: Just received a KPA 500 and KAT 500 yesterday. Using them with my Icom 7300. I know the manual says to expect some hum from the KPA 500 but I believe mine is more than a hum. When I send CW I don't need to monitor the radio side tone. I just have to listen to the amp. :-) Anyone else experience this? My HV voltage is 75 at idle. I am using 120V power. When I key down it drops to around 58. Manual says 60+ is best. Don't know if this has anything to do with the hum? I have not contacted Elecraft yet. I wanted to hear what folks say first. 73, Tom KQ5S From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 30 10:16:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:16:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> Message-ID: I have been corrected - last word of 1st paragraph should have been 'watts' instead of 'volts'. I trust everyone knew that! 73, Don W3FPR David, The KX3 may still be running by virtue of the internal batteries if the KXPA100 power drops, but that will not prevent the KX3 from turning off the PA ON menu and dropping the power to 5 volts. Check your power cable - look in the end of the APP connector. If you see the end of 2 pieces of metal (both the spring finger and the contact blade) the contact blade is not latched, give it a push from the wire side until it latches. Check the connections at your power supply, they must be tight - if you can move them at all, they are not tight. Also check the fuse and fuseholder. The fuse must make tight contact with the fuseholder contacts. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/30/2016 9:24 AM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Geoff, > > Thanks for the idea... That might be it; I am not in the shack when it > happens, though if that were it, I would be surprised, as I have the > internal batteries in place, and I would have thought that the power > doesn't go away if the external supply drops. Could be just enough I > guess... > > Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave > > > On 9/30/16 07:20, Geoff Allsup wrote: >> If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power >> off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would >> be my first suggestion. >> >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 30 10:37:12 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:37:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <57d37644-435e-e407-87a5-931a22edf3cd@embarqmail.com> I have just been alerted that a loose RJ-45 plug in the KXPA100 Control jack can cause that same problem. Make sure the plug is fully inserted and the locking tab has clicked into place. 73, Don W3FPR ---------------------------------------------------------- David, The KX3 may still be running by virtue of the internal batteries if the KXPA100 power drops, but that will not prevent the KX3 from turning off the PA ON menu and dropping the power to 5 volts. Check your power cable - look in the end of the APP connector. If you see the end of 2 pieces of metal (both the spring finger and the contact blade) the contact blade is not latched, give it a push from the wire side until it latches. Check the connections at your power supply, they must be tight - if you can move them at all, they are not tight. Also check the fuse and fuseholder. The fuse must make tight contact with the fuseholder contacts. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/30/2016 9:24 AM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Geoff, > > Thanks for the idea... That might be it; I am not in the shack when it > happens, though if that were it, I would be surprised, as I have the > internal batteries in place, and I would have thought that the power > doesn't go away if the external supply drops. Could be just enough I > guess... > > Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave > > > On 9/30/16 07:20, Geoff Allsup wrote: >> If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power >> off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would >> be my first suggestion. >> >> From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 10:37:54 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <819f4619-9e04-14db-a3c7-c36bc6837d8c@gmail.com> Don, understood; the cables and PS and its connections are fine. I expect what is happening is I am occasionally losing line power, which shuts down the PA without it communicating to the XK3; I think that is what is resetting things... Thanks for the help & 73 de W5SV, Dave On 9/30/16 09:16, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I have been corrected - last word of 1st paragraph should have been > 'watts' instead of 'volts'. > I trust everyone knew that! > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > David, > > The KX3 may still be running by virtue of the internal batteries if > the KXPA100 power drops, but that will not prevent the KX3 from > turning off the PA ON menu and dropping the power to 5 volts. > > Check your power cable - look in the end of the APP connector. If you > see the end of 2 pieces of metal (both the spring finger and the > contact blade) the contact blade is not latched, give it a push from > the wire side until it latches. > > Check the connections at your power supply, they must be tight - if > you can move them at all, they are not tight. Also check the fuse and > fuseholder. The fuse must make tight contact with the fuseholder > contacts. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/30/2016 9:24 AM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> Geoff, >> >> Thanks for the idea... That might be it; I am not in the shack when it >> happens, though if that were it, I would be surprised, as I have the >> internal batteries in place, and I would have thought that the power >> doesn't go away if the external supply drops. Could be just enough I >> guess... >> >> Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave >> >> >> On 9/30/16 07:20, Geoff Allsup wrote: >>> If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power >>> off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would >>> be my first suggestion. >>> >>> > From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 10:38:07 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> Message-ID: Don, understood; the cables and PS and its connections are fine. I expect what is happening is I am occasionally losing line power, which shuts down the PA without it communicating to the KX3; I think that is what is resetting things... Thanks for the help & 73 de W5SV, Dave On 9/30/16 09:16, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I have been corrected - last word of 1st paragraph should have been > 'watts' instead of 'volts'. > I trust everyone knew that! > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > David, > > The KX3 may still be running by virtue of the internal batteries if > the KXPA100 power drops, but that will not prevent the KX3 from > turning off the PA ON menu and dropping the power to 5 volts. > > Check your power cable - look in the end of the APP connector. If you > see the end of 2 pieces of metal (both the spring finger and the > contact blade) the contact blade is not latched, give it a push from > the wire side until it latches. > > Check the connections at your power supply, they must be tight - if > you can move them at all, they are not tight. Also check the fuse and > fuseholder. The fuse must make tight contact with the fuseholder > contacts. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/30/2016 9:24 AM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> Geoff, >> >> Thanks for the idea... That might be it; I am not in the shack when it >> happens, though if that were it, I would be surprised, as I have the >> internal batteries in place, and I would have thought that the power >> doesn't go away if the external supply drops. Could be just enough I >> guess... >> >> Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave >> >> >> On 9/30/16 07:20, Geoff Allsup wrote: >>> If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power >>> off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would >>> be my first suggestion. >>> >>> > From paul.g4kzy at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 10:41:12 2016 From: paul.g4kzy at gmail.com (Radiobeamer) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 07:41:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Poor sensitivity In-Reply-To: <1474989746192-7622867.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> <3b2b9235-5c3d-27f9-50a2-845e8734886f@embarqmail.com> <1474989746192-7622867.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1475246472175-7622968.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi All, Firstly, thanks for all of your help. I checked the RFCs on the SSB board as per Steve's suggestion and they were OK, although my problem was quite similar (see below). Also, thanks to Frank for your suggestion. As I'm in the UK it is quite cost prohibitive to send the radio to Don. Also, being able to fault-find, align and repair the K2 is part of its attraction. Secondly, I managed to find the fault!. I noticed that the sensitivity on the transverter input was better than on the antenna input. Probing about on the TR switch led me to the conclusion that RFC3 was not connected properly, leading to excessive loss in D4. Problems with poor soldering on enamelled wire are well known! After re-making the joints of RFC3 I can hear signals down to -130dBm on all bands (with the preamp on). I've still not measured the sensitivity accurately but it does seem to work properly now. I'll re-align everything now for 100% performance. Thanks again for a helpful and friendly group. 73, Paul G4KZY -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Poor-sensitivity-tp7622862p7622968.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at rhodesend.net Fri Sep 30 10:41:15 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:41:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: KX3/KXPA100 issue In-Reply-To: <57d37644-435e-e407-87a5-931a22edf3cd@embarqmail.com> References: <0376a24d-df81-07c1-8abc-347d68808305@gmail.com> <8B76E599-CABD-436A-9808-1A6849B13B19@whoi.edu> <57d37644-435e-e407-87a5-931a22edf3cd@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: And make sure the contacts on your control cable are securely crimped. Lessons learned from experience are best remembered. On Sep 30, 2016 8:38 AM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: > I have just been alerted that a loose RJ-45 plug in the KXPA100 Control > jack can cause that same problem. Make sure the plug is fully inserted and > the locking tab has clicked into place. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > David, > > The KX3 may still be running by virtue of the internal batteries if the > KXPA100 power drops, but that will not prevent the KX3 from turning off the > PA ON menu and dropping the power to 5 volts. > > Check your power cable - look in the end of the APP connector. If you see > the end of 2 pieces of metal (both the spring finger and the contact blade) > the contact blade is not latched, give it a push from the wire side until > it latches. > > Check the connections at your power supply, they must be tight - if you > can move them at all, they are not tight. Also check the fuse and > fuseholder. The fuse must make tight contact with the fuseholder contacts. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/30/2016 9:24 AM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > >> >> Geoff, >> >> Thanks for the idea... That might be it; I am not in the shack when it >> happens, though if that were it, I would be surprised, as I have the >> internal batteries in place, and I would have thought that the power >> doesn't go away if the external supply drops. Could be just enough I >> guess... >> >> Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave >> >> >> On 9/30/16 07:20, Geoff Allsup wrote: >> >>> If supply power goes off even momentarily (instead of turning power >>> off on the KX3) that's exactly what happens. Check your supply would >>> be my first suggestion. >>> >>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Sep 30 12:24:35 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:24:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63af0f42-2dba-cda4-ef61-1eb1db36f8a0@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Maybe I'm missing something, but you have a selection of taps, the highest is 16:1. If the wire is exactly 1/2 wave, then the impedance is going to be very high, and the 16:1 tap will come closest to matching a high impedance load. If the wire is some multiple of 1/4 wave but not a an even multiple (not an multiple of a half wave) then the lowest tap is probably best. I'd disable the tuner and check the SWR on each tap for each band -- if I wanted to verify the (very simple) math. 73 -- Lynn On 9/29/2016 11:24 PM, Holger Schurig wrote: > The most easy thing to change (because it's often near the bottom) is > the UNUN tap I'm using. From b.denley at comcast.net Fri Sep 30 12:33:17 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:33:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Poor sensitivity In-Reply-To: <1475246472175-7622968.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1474972704704-7622862.post@n2.nabble.com> <3b2b9235-5c3d-27f9-50a2-845e8734886f@embarqmail.com> <1474989746192-7622867.post@n2.nabble.com> <1475246472175-7622968.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Nice work Paul. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Radiobeamer wrote: > > Hi All, > > Firstly, thanks for all of your help. I checked the RFCs on the SSB board > as per Steve's suggestion and they were OK, although my problem was quite > similar (see below). Also, thanks to Frank for your suggestion. As I'm in > the UK it is quite cost prohibitive to send the radio to Don. Also, being > able to fault-find, align and repair the K2 is part of its attraction. > > Secondly, I managed to find the fault!. I noticed that the sensitivity on > the transverter input was better than on the antenna input. Probing about > on the TR switch led me to the conclusion that RFC3 was not connected > properly, leading to excessive loss in D4. Problems with poor soldering on > enamelled wire are well known! After re-making the joints of RFC3 I can > hear signals down to -130dBm on all bands (with the preamp on). > > I've still not measured the sensitivity accurately but it does seem to work > properly now. I'll re-align everything now for 100% performance. > > Thanks again for a helpful and friendly group. > > 73, > > Paul > G4KZY > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Poor-sensitivity-tp7622862p7622968.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From jackbrindle at me.com Fri Sep 30 13:29:31 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:29:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Hum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You may not have the transformer properly tightened down. Recheck it. Also, 58V is not that bad, but you might want to recheck that you are using the proper tap from the transformer. You just might want to go up a notch to get a higher voltage. Essentially you want the tap that provides the highest voltage, but does not cause over-voltage faults. Also, you might check your shack wiring. If you are sagging too much, then you are seeing significant voltage drop in the AC wiring to the amplifier. This includes the power cord and the wiring inside the wall. If you are a long ways from the breaker box you might want to consider increasing the wire size in the wall, or better, going to 240V operation with the KPA. The procedure for both these things is described in the KPA manual. If tightening the transformer hold-down nut does not quiet the amplifier, give the folks at the factory a call. They should be able to help you get it more quiet, although they may tell you the same things just did? 73, Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Tom wrote: > > Just received a KPA 500 and KAT 500 yesterday. Using them with my Icom > 7300. I know the manual says to expect some hum from the KPA 500 but I > believe mine is more than a hum. When I send CW I don't need to monitor > the radio side tone. I just have to listen to the amp. :-) Anyone else > experience this? > > My HV voltage is 75 at idle. I am using 120V power. When I key down it > drops to around 58. Manual says 60+ is best. Don't know if this has > anything to do with the hum? > > I have not contacted Elecraft yet. I wanted to hear what folks say first. > > 73, > Tom > KQ5S > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From hickspj467 at comcast.net Fri Sep 30 14:12:26 2016 From: hickspj467 at comcast.net (P.J.Hicks) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 18:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] genovation Keypad Message-ID: <1763793689.9840313.1475259146337.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Dave, Not that I know what I'm doing but glad I could help. Hi I do know that with a few exceptions both rigs use the same commands from the utility programs. I am not a Rpi guy; I dabble in the Arduino but I'm sure the code could be ported over rather easily. Pleas keep me and all of us apprised of your progress. I am very interested. 73, P. J. Hicks, N7PXY From dave at nk7z.net Fri Sep 30 14:24:57 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation Keypad In-Reply-To: <1763793689.9840313.1475259146337.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1763793689.9840313.1475259146337.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1475259897.17316.11.camel@nk7z.net> On Fri, 2016-09-30 at 18:12 +0000, P.J.Hicks wrote: > Dave,? > > Not that I know what I'm doing but glad I could help. Hi? > > I do know that with a few exceptions both rigs use the same commands > from the utility programs. I am not a Rpi guy; I dabble in the Arduino > but I'm sure the code could be ported over rather easily. Pleas keep > me and all of us apprised of your progress. I am very interested.? > > 73,? > P. J. Hicks, N7PXY? I just need to write small stack to decoded the scan codes, then feed that to a lookup table, then fire off the macros to see if this is correct... ?Should be a bit, as I am headed out on vacation shortly... I will have the Genovation feeding directly into the K3, it just may take some time for me to get my head around the scan code thing... ? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From w2kj at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 30 14:52:42 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. KX3 Message-ID: <7E1D331B-9682-477F-98A2-D6F21CF4C957@bellsouth.net> Howdy Gang: I offer for sale my back-up KX3...don't need two as I bought a KX2. The KX3 is in most excellent condition...can't find a scratch, ding, dent anywhere. Unit has the internal auto tuner and roofing filter, plus the Gem Products SideKx end panels/handles ($40 value). Picture available for serious buyer. Will ship for $975...sorry, no overseas shipping. U.S. Postal Money Order is fine for payment or PayPal (please add 4% to cover the fee). 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Sep 30 15:59:14 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:59:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <387dd4c2-6a54-dd3f-e664-a6e2ee64a343@foothill.net> Let me see if I understand the question: You're looking for a simple algorithm to tell you how to "best" deploy a wire of indeterminate length in a configuration yet to be specified using a transformer of indefinite impedance ratio on any of a number of unnamed bands. This is reminiscent of one of the five volumes in Douglas Adams' trilogy, "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy." The people build a very powerful computer and then asked it, "What is the meaning of the Universe?" The computer begins to compute, as is the wont of computers, and worked on the problem for a very long time. Finally, it announced that it had determined the answer. By this time, there was no one in the Universe that remembered the original question. When asked for the answer, the computer replied, "Forty Two." Possibly "forty two" would work for you as a rule of thumb? :-)) 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/29/2016 11:24 PM, Holger Schurig wrote: > Fred Jensen writes: > >> How long is the wire? >> What band? > > Who knowns? I'm not asking for a *specific* optimization, I'm asking > for a general rule of thumb. > > I'm not talking about a permanent installation, I'm talking about going > to some field, or hill. I don't know the band in advance, I don't know > the propagation conditions. And I have several lengths of wire with me, > I can adjust the wire length. And given the circumstances of the > location, even the layout of my wire (only on fiber glass post, between > tree and fiber glass post, etc) will change (e.g. sloper, vertical, > etc). Even the high will be undefined and/or changeable. From efortner at ctc.net Fri Sep 30 16:10:15 2016 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:10:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 down Message-ID: <008f01d21b56$a8ce8590$fa6b90b0$@net> KPA500 blew both FETS and PA module has been shipped for repairs. I am trying to use an Ameritron AL-80B amplifier until I get my KPA500 back. My paddle goes to an external keyer (Navigator) which is plugged into PTT on my K3s and the key out goes to the PTT input on the Ameritron amp. The paddle works fine with the K3s but the Xmit tune button will not key the amp nor the macro button on CW. I cannot find anything about config to make it work. Any suggestions. Earl, K4KAY From w2kj at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 30 16:12:36 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:12:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. KX3 In-Reply-To: <7E1D331B-9682-477F-98A2-D6F21CF4C957@bellsouth.net> References: <7E1D331B-9682-477F-98A2-D6F21CF4C957@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: The KX3 listed for sale below has been sold. 73, Joe W2KJ On Sep 30, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: > Howdy Gang: > > I offer for sale my back-up KX3...don't need two as I bought a KX2. > > The KX3 is in most excellent condition...can't find a scratch, ding, dent anywhere. > > Unit has the internal auto tuner and roofing filter, plus the Gem Products SideKx end panels/handles ($40 value). > > Picture available for serious buyer. > > Will ship for $975...sorry, no overseas shipping. > > U.S. Postal Money Order is fine for payment or PayPal (please add 4% to cover the fee). > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am > > From n1rj at roadrunner.com Fri Sep 30 16:19:09 2016 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:19:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation Keypad In-Reply-To: <1475259897.17316.11.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1763793689.9840313.1475259146337.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <1475259897.17316.11.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <57EEC8BD.8000304@roadrunner.com> Jeff, VA2SS, wrote an article covering this: http://www.eham.net/articles/32176 Unfortunately, I can't retrieve the picture that went with the article. Jeff used a "serial port splitter" but I think a program like LP-Bridge that generated virtual ports will work also. I ordered a USB keypad that didn't work so have a RS232 one on order. I'll let you know how it works. 73, Roger From n4kd at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 30 16:22:19 2016 From: n4kd at bellsouth.net (David Kuechenmeister) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 20:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <387dd4c2-6a54-dd3f-e664-a6e2ee64a343@foothill.net> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> <387dd4c2-6a54-dd3f-e664-a6e2ee64a343@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1598270068.530112.1475266939466@mail.yahoo.com> I think 42 might be a valid answer, depending on the question. Forty-one is certainly a good answer! There are a couple pages that try to address the question of what long wire lengths are the easiest to tune, i.e. present a low SWR to the matching unit. The first is at?http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/randomWire/?and it's work is derived from what was presented here,?http://www.qsl.net/on7dy/Documentation/Best%20%20Random%20Wire%20Antenna%20Lengths.htm Hope this helps a little. With my KX3 tuner, it doesn't seem to matter much what I use for a long wire. The tuner does a good job matching the antenna to the rig. vy 73,Dave N4KD On Friday, September 30, 2016 4:01 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Let me see if I understand the question:? You're looking for a simple algorithm to tell you how to "best" deploy a wire of indeterminate length in a configuration yet to be specified using a transformer of indefinite impedance ratio on any of a number of unnamed bands. This is reminiscent of one of the five volumes in Douglas Adams' trilogy, "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy."? The people build a very powerful computer and then asked it, "What is the meaning of the Universe?"? The computer begins to compute, as is the wont of computers, and worked on the problem for a very long time.? Finally, it announced that it had determined the answer.? By this time, there was no one in the Universe that remembered the original question.? When asked for the answer, the computer replied, "Forty Two." Possibly "forty two" would work for you as a rule of thumb? :-)) 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/29/2016 11:24 PM, Holger Schurig wrote: > Fred Jensen writes: > >> How long is the wire? >> What band? > > Who knowns?? I'm not asking for a *specific* optimization, I'm asking > for a general rule of thumb. > > I'm not talking about a permanent installation, I'm talking about going > to some field, or hill. I don't know the band in advance, I don't know > the propagation conditions. And I have several lengths of wire with me, > I can adjust the wire length. And given the circumstances of the > location, even the layout of my wire (only on fiber glass post, between > tree and fiber glass post, etc) will change (e.g. sloper, vertical, > etc). Even the high will be undefined and/or changeable. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n4kd at bellsouth.net From woodr90 at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 16:49:52 2016 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert W5AJ Wood) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:49:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 K3 Message-ID: <001b01d21b5c$3171f9e0$9455eda0$@gmail.com> Looking for RS232 board for K3 73 Robert W5AJ From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Sep 30 17:36:50 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:36:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR & Diversity RX Message-ID: <1475271410838-7622983.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm wondering about my K3S in Diversity RX on Digital modes, such as WSPR. I have a G5RV and a 43ft Vertical, so was thinking I might find better overall RX with Diversity enabled. Thoughts on this? Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WSPR-Diversity-RX-tp7622983.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Sep 30 18:08:40 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:08:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? In-Reply-To: <1598270068.530112.1475266939466@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2293c54a-0495-d9f8-756f-868539b16582@foothill.net> <878tu9aorj.fsf@gmail.com> <387dd4c2-6a54-dd3f-e664-a6e2ee64a343@foothill.net> <1598270068.530112.1475266939466@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes ... and forty three is held in reverence by others who attribute magical properties to it. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 9/30/2016 1:22 PM, David Kuechenmeister wrote: > I think 42 might be a valid answer, depending on the question. > Forty-one is certainly a good answer! There are a couple pages that > try to address the question of what long wire lengths are the easiest > to tune, i.e. present a low SWR to the matching unit. The first is at > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/randomWire/ and it's work is derived from > what was presented here, > http://www.qsl.net/on7dy/Documentation/Best%20%20Random%20Wire%20Antenna%20Lengths.htm From riese-k3djc at juno.com Fri Sep 30 18:08:37 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 18:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: how to optimize end-fed? Message-ID: some years ago the arrl handbook had a Series Parallel Capacitor tuner which matches my 1/2 wave 75 meter wire,,, makes, for me, a good 1000 mile antenna and when the band is open works DX as well used to match the antenna at the end wit coils etc but the SPC has replaced all that with a 50 Ft run of coax to the antenna end the tuner can be a problem to find the sweet spot but it doesnt change once found Bob Subject: Re: [Elecraft] how to optimize end-fed? > Holger, There are many answers to your questions. You will have to get more specific about the wire lengths and the band(s) of operation for specific answers. If you want an easy antenna that will work for 40 thru 10 meters with no feedline, download the KXAT1 manual from Elecraft and look at page 10. It is just two wires and a BNC to binding post adapter, you can't get much simpler than that. If you just want to experiment with antennas, feedlines and matching networks, do it with some education - get the ARRL Handbook and the ARRL Antenna Book ans spend some time studying while doing your experiments. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/30/2016 2:24 AM, Holger Schurig wrote: > Fred Jensen writes: > >> How long is the wire? >> What band? > Who knowns? I'm not asking for a *specific* optimization, I'm asking > for a general rule of thumb. > > I'm not talking about a permanent installation, I'm talking about going > to some field, or hill. I don't know the band in advance, I don't know > the propagation conditions. And I have several lengths of wire with me, > I can adjust the wire length. And given the circumstances of the > location, even the layout of my wire (only on fiber glass post, between > tree and fiber glass post, etc) will change (e.g. sloper, vertical, > etc). Even the high will be undefined and/or changeable. > > That is actually to fun (for me): to change things and try out. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com From ptaa at ieee.org Fri Sep 30 18:17:21 2016 From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 00:17:21 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, RX ANT and Band Outputs Message-ID: Hello, It appears that the Band Outputs are not according to the selected band when RX ANT is active. Anyone who can explain how this is supposed to function? 73 de Per-Tore / LA7NO From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 30 19:22:09 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:22:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, RX ANT and Band Outputs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0b488013-1785-efd2-f551-df1e7167d0b2@embarqmail.com> Per-Tore, The band data outputs should follow the band set on VFO A. That should not change with RX ANT in or out. If you have VFO IND set to ON, the band outputs should still reflect the band for VFO A. The other thing that affects the band data output is the menu CONFIG:KIO3 - if set to TRNS, then the band data output for HF-6 m will all be zero. If set to NOR, they should conform to the chart in the manual. If you have different results, please report it to Elecraft support as a problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/30/2016 6:17 PM, Per-Tore Aasestrand wrote: > Hello, > > It appears that the Band Outputs are not according to the selected band > when RX ANT is active. > > Anyone who can explain how this is supposed to function? > > From dave at nk7z.net Fri Sep 30 19:32:26 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:32:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation Keypad In-Reply-To: <1763793689.9840313.1475259146337.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1763793689.9840313.1475259146337.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1475278346.16858.8.camel@nk7z.net> On Fri, 2016-09-30 at 18:12 +0000, P.J.Hicks wrote: > Dave,? > > Not that I know what I'm doing but glad I could help. Hi? > > I do know that with a few exceptions both rigs use the same commands > from the utility programs. I am not a Rpi guy; I dabble in the Arduino > but I'm sure the code could be ported over rather easily. Pleas keep > me and all of us apprised of your progress. I am very interested.? > > 73,? > P. J. Hicks, N7PXY? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net I may switch to the Arduino... ?I found some code for doing scan codes ready to fly on the Arduino... ?Basically, all I need to do then is to write a lookup table, and populate the macros into that... ?:) ?This seems all too simple... ?There will be a gotcha in here someplace... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From lists at subich.com Fri Sep 30 20:23:05 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 20:23:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] genovation Keypad In-Reply-To: <1475259897.17316.11.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1763793689.9840313.1475259146337.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <1475259897.17316.11.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: On 9/30/2016 2:24 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > I just need to write small stack to decoded the scan codes, then feed > that to a lookup table, then fire off the macros to see if this is > correct... Should be a bit, as I am headed out on vacation shortly... It depend on which Genovation unit you are using. There are three versions. One is a true serial device - it emits ASCII (RS-232). One is a USB Virtual serial device - it also emits ASCII (USB). The third is an USB HID (Human Interface Device) - it is a virtual keyboard and emits scan codes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 30 21:10:40 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 21:10:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR & Diversity RX In-Reply-To: <1475271410838-7622983.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1475271410838-7622983.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0d1cfa26-19bb-a09b-93dd-e6bf695ffd82@embarqmail.com> Bret, Since the computer soundcard is working only with one channel, diversity mode will not help - unless you can create an 'add-on' to interpret both channels and decide which one has better reception. When using Diversity Mode, you listen with both ears to the left and right channels and your brain figures out which is the better side to listen to - one channel from the main RX and the other from the subRX. With digital modes, the soundcard is listening only to the left channel - main RX. Yes, you have antennas that will do diversity for you, but that will only be useful in voice modes and CW because the human brain will automatically decipher the best signal from the two channels - you listen to diversity with one channel in each ear. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/30/2016 5:36 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I'm wondering about my K3S in Diversity RX on Digital modes, such as WSPR. I > have a G5RV and a 43ft Vertical, so was thinking I might find better overall > RX with Diversity enabled. Thoughts on this? >