From rwhitetexas at verizon.net  Tue Nov  1 06:49:41 2016
From: rwhitetexas at verizon.net (W5RDW)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 03:49:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender
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When I took my 13 wpm General Test at the Houston FCC office in 1961, they
used a tape fed code machine. The only problem with it was the extremely low
pitch it was set for, much lower than what I was use to. So many complained
after the first part of the run was sent, they raised the pitch and then it
sounded much better to most of us.

Roger W5RDW



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From gn525 at ymail.com  Tue Nov  1 06:53:13 2016
From: gn525 at ymail.com (gn525 at ymail.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 10:53:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Paper_Tape_CW_sender?=
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FCC Detroit office, early 70?s.  The punch tape code sending machine had issues, very warbly.  I still passed.


They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.  Not one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.  I guess you are either prepared or you are not.


Gary

K9JN

From esteptony at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 12:27:38 2016
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:27:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender
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On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:49 AM, W5RDW <rwhitetexas at verizon.net> wrote:

> When I took my 13 wpm General Test at the Houston FCC office in 1961,
> they used a tape fed code machine.....

============
Ah yes Roger, I remember that at my General test in 1958. I still remember
the first sentence: "Turning westward, 400 aircraft blanketed the horizon."

Tony KT0NY

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Nov  1 14:32:17 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:32:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender
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	<1477997381468-7623758.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Los Angeles, early 1953:  They used a 2-hole tape reader.  Big thing, 
smelled of oil, sat in a tin tray next to the examiner's desk.  Used a 
tach on the motor shaft to indicate speed on a gauge that looked exactly 
like a pressure gauge on a steam locomotive.  Very imposing and 
intimidating, and the Examiner [wearing a green eyeshade] told me to sit 
right next to it. :-(

6 months later, same machine at 13 WPM, and 2 years after that at 20 and 
25 WPM for the Extra and 2T.  Same Examiner too.

I think the MHRS [KPH/KSM crowd at Point Reyes] uses the same kind 
[Boehme?], I've seen it at Pacificon a couple of times.  Even 60 years 
later, seeing it still gave me a sinking spell.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/1/2016 3:53 AM, gn525--- via Elecraft wrote:
> FCC Detroit office, early 70?s.  The punch tape code sending machine
> had issues, very warbly.  I still passed.

From gn525 at ymail.com  Tue Nov  1 06:58:44 2016
From: gn525 at ymail.com (gn525 at ymail.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 10:58:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Paper_Tape_CW_sender?=
References: <E76CD95C-989F-4EE5-B022-9CCCDFBF3989@i29.net>
	<201610311742.u9VHghC8012046@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>,
	<1477997381468-7623758.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <701616.83891.bm@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

FCC Detroit office, early 70?s.  The punch tape code sending machine had issues, very warbly.  I still passed.





They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.  Not one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.  I guess you are either prepared or you are not.




Gary

K9JN

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Nov  1 18:10:56 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 15:10:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender
In-Reply-To: <c340ea6e-6cb5-82c7-a55e-11b1765c85ba@foothill.net>
References: <E76CD95C-989F-4EE5-B022-9CCCDFBF3989@i29.net>
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	<c340ea6e-6cb5-82c7-a55e-11b1765c85ba@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <24f54135-7d7a-4347-a75f-c919a6a0f3b0@elecraft.com>

Let's wind down and end this OT thread in the interest of controlling email 
overload for other list readers. (We're now at 35 posts..)

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com
List Moderator etc.
/
On 11/1/2016 11:32 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Los Angeles, early 1953:  They used a 2-hole tape reader.  Big thing, smelled 
> of oil, sat in a tin tray next to the examiner's desk.  Used a tach on the 
> motor shaft to indicate speed on a gauge that looked exactly like a pressure 
> gauge on a steam locomotive.  Very imposing and intimidating, and the Examiner 
> [wearing a green eyeshade] told me to sit right next to it. :-(


From donhall161 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  1 18:12:13 2016
From: donhall161 at sbcglobal.net (Don Hall)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:12:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender
In-Reply-To: <701616.83891.bm@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<1477997381468-7623758.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<701616.83891.bm@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1620632622.2135373.1478038333637@mail.yahoo.com>

Similar thing happened to me at a West Gulf Convention in Dallas in the early 50's. After the CW testone or more claimed there was a fault in the letters. I had passed but. along with several others hadto repeat. Fortunately, I was prepared so passed it again and got my Class B and Class A.This thread has brought back lots of memories.
73? Don? K5AQ 

    On Tuesday, November 1, 2016 4:41 PM, gn525--- via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
 

 FCC Detroit office, early 70?s.? The punch tape code sending machine had issues, very warbly.? I still passed.





They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.? Not one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.? I guess you are either prepared or you are not.




Gary

K9JN
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From K2TK at att.net  Tue Nov  1 18:28:07 2016
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 18:28:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender
In-Reply-To: <701616.83891.bm@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <E76CD95C-989F-4EE5-B022-9CCCDFBF3989@i29.net>
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	<1477997381468-7623758.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<701616.83891.bm@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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FCC office in NYC, mid 60', 2 trips and passed the General and Extra.  Had a 
friend whose call will not be disclosed who was far better at CW than I.  Every 
time he went  from nerves just lost it.   On his last trip in mid way through 
the exam the tape machine  developed a problem.  The examiner said that he would 
attempt to fix it on his lunch hour and if anyone wanted too they could take the 
exam over after lunch. Some had passed even as they got a full minute of copy 
before the machine failed.

At the time the drinking age in NY was 18 and 21 in NJ.  So my friend and 
another fellow he met there had almost 2 hours to kill.  They went to a local 
bar and was pretty much blitzed upon return  Had failed in the morning and only 
missed two letters in the afternoon. Nerves were no longer a factor.

Far different era. The FCC office at 201 Varick Street is still a government 
office and  close by "Radio Row" became the site of the World Trade Center.

But the memories!!

73,

Bob

K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR


On 11/1/2016 6:58 AM, gn525--- via Elecraft wrote:
> FCC Detroit office, early 70?s.  The punch tape code sending machine had issues, very warbly.  I still passed.
>
>
>
>
>
> They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.  Not one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.  I guess you are either prepared or you are not.
>
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> K9JN
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Tue Nov  1 19:05:43 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 19:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 manual not found on Elecraft server
Message-ID: <FB8251975AF94E29988A135F3D09BA0B@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hi,
Can someone send me the KX2 manual please?
It is no longer available at the link specified on Elecraft?s server.  I?m sure they will fix it, but I need it now if possible.
Thanks, Tom
va2fsq.com

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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Nov  1 19:11:26 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:11:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 manual not found on Elecraft server
In-Reply-To: <FB8251975AF94E29988A135F3D09BA0B@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <FB8251975AF94E29988A135F3D09BA0B@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
Message-ID: <17BC0B87-C11A-45FE-BDEE-17A48BD9D96D@wunderwood.org>

It is available for me.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner's%20man%20A5.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner's%20man%20A5.pdf>
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282E%20KX2%20Owner'sManErrata%20A5-1.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282E%20KX2%20Owner'sManErrata%20A5-1.pdf>

Main page with links:

http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX2 <http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX2>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Can someone send me the KX2 manual please?
> It is no longer available at the link specified on Elecraft?s server.  I?m sure they will fix it, but I need it now if possible.
> Thanks, Tom
> va2fsq.com
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Tue Nov  1 19:41:11 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 19:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 manual not found on Elecraft server
In-Reply-To: <1i9QcUGJV3wDa1i9RcmI7j@videotron.ca>
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Many thanks!  I now have 6 copies, lol....
Seems a few minutes after I looked for it it came back up.
73 Tom

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tom
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:05 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 manual not found on Elecraft server

Hi,
Can someone send me the KX2 manual please?
It is no longer available at the link specified on Elecraft?s server.  I?m 
sure they will fix it, but I need it now if possible.
Thanks, Tom
va2fsq.com

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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Nov  1 19:49:23 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:49:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 manual not found on Elecraft server
In-Reply-To: <032E83A16E864B209012AB9BE4E21AA0@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <1i9QcUGJV3wDa1i9RcmI7j@videotron.ca>
	<032E83A16E864B209012AB9BE4E21AA0@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
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One per KX2? :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 11/1/16 4:41 PM, Tom wrote:
> Many thanks!  I now have 6 copies, lol....
> Seems a few minutes after I looked for it it 
> came back up.
> 73 Tom
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tom
> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:05 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 manual not found on 
> Elecraft server
>
> Hi,
> Can someone send me the KX2 manual please?
> It is no longer available at the link specified 
> on Elecraft?s server.  I?m sure they will fix 
> it, but I need it now if possible.
> Thanks, Tom
> va2fsq.com


From navydude1962 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 20:16:19 2016
From: navydude1962 at yahoo.com (Ed)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KAT-3 Internal Antenna Tuner
Message-ID: <941C4B5D-6BB3-4C8B-8B96-6EDDCC13A507@yahoo.com>

Optional internal antenna tuner for the K3. 

$200 shipped. 

73,
Ed NI6S 



From navydude1962 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 23:18:26 2016
From: navydude1962 at yahoo.com (Ed)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PR6-10 Preamp
Message-ID: <BC8D074B-0494-4A58-84CA-6064F4F8042D@yahoo.com>

This is the optional plug-in unit for the K3. 
Will add sensitivity, 22-54 MHz. 

Pls see link for more info:
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PR6-
10%20Owners%20Manual%20Rev%20A.p
df

Used only twice!

$100 shipped
73,
Ed NI6S

From navydude1962 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  2 12:20:51 2016
From: navydude1962 at yahoo.com (Ed)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:20:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KSYN3 Board
Message-ID: <6D19E113-8EA6-4496-90A9-C2731C360458@yahoo.com>

Surplus to my needs, as I upgraded this to the latest. This came out of a working K3.  Make offer. Thanks. 

73,
Ed NI6S

From Dmattob at aol.com  Wed Nov  2 12:24:07 2016
From: Dmattob at aol.com (Dmattob at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:24:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] elecraft  listing
Message-ID: <4a094e.27a7ed64.454b6d26@aol.com>

hELLO      I want to have my callsign to be  omitted from the elecraft list 
   KF9TI   ( DON  MATTISON)

From mwatterson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 12:35:17 2016
From: mwatterson at gmail.com (Mike Watterson (K3MAW))
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:35:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and KXPA100 slow TX LED
Message-ID: <CAF2bTuiZqxqRb7nBE_sj1b-+FKtr8bts_zWTb=R4nQfiRXMcFg@mail.gmail.com>

I've experience this issue a couple times before this past weekend, but
during the CQ WW SSB it happened more frequently.

I have noticed at times when I key the mic (Elecraft H3) the TX LED on the
KXPA is slow to light and sometimes takes several seconds.  This does not
happen all the time and it doesn't seem to make a difference whether the I
just hit the ATU button or not.  I found the following in the manual:

Transmit Mode: The TX LED on the amplifier front panel will light
indicating that it is in transmit mode. (If the LED does not light, the
amplifier remains in receive mode and the RF drive simply passes through.
Check the KEY line connections and make sure your transceiver is pulling
the KEY line to ground on transmit.)

So I checked all connections and they are good and secure.

Is this normal behavior that I am just now noticing or does this seem to be
an issue?

Mike - K3MAW

From al7cr at mooseaviation.com  Wed Nov  2 12:44:06 2016
From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
Message-ID: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
considering the 1.8khz.

From indians at xsmail.com  Wed Nov  2 13:12:25 2016
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:12:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/IF-Crystal-filters-on-eBay-td7623489.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250Hz-CW-Crystal-Filter-for-Elecraft-K3-with-8-crystals/201694670061?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D39007%26meid%3D95e7b876ede4444faca007d53c5e8eb0%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D172338045381

Even although I did not measured them or even touched I am not recommending
to purchase these filters. Even the soldering quality is giving a hint about
the overall quality. You do not know anything about the used xtal's cuts,
their parameters, matching in filter etc. The QC will be zero (as always in
Chinese junks), return postage is higher than price itself. It is "ex-gratia
problem" purchase...

My 2c add...

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Nov  2 13:43:16 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7q1eOMn6yD4OmoJsyCw+MBz_SBHQ+QGon-630MO7m+bQ@mail.gmail.com>

If are willing to invest $50, then go ahead.  He does have a return policy.

Next, I would buy, beg, borrow a VNA and sweep them.  That is the only way
to be sure.   It is hard to read his scans/sweeps.  They Q factor looks a
little soft, but usable.

If the soldering is poor, that is an easy fix.  Just redo them.

I'm sure they will work ok.  They won't do any damage to your radio.  But,
you normally do get what you pay for.

Mike va3mw



On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/IF-Crystal-filters-
> on-eBay-td7623489.html
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/250Hz-CW-Crystal-Filter-for-
> Elecraft-K3-with-8-crystals/201694670061?_trksid=p2047675.
> c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%
> 3D2%26asc%3D39007%26meid%3D95e7b876ede4444faca007d53c5e
> 8eb0%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D172338045381
>
> Even although I did not measured them or even touched I am not recommending
> to purchase these filters. Even the soldering quality is giving a hint
> about
> the overall quality. You do not know anything about the used xtal's cuts,
> their parameters, matching in filter etc. The QC will be zero (as always in
> Chinese junks), return postage is higher than price itself. It is
> "ex-gratia
> problem" purchase...
>
> My 2c add...
>
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
>
>
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Wed Nov  2 14:02:53 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:02:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] elecraft listing
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You can unsubscribe yourself.  See 
http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm#options

73,

matt W6NIA


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From efortner at ctc.net  Wed Nov  2 14:05:05 2016
From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:05:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and KPA500 not transmitting
Message-ID: <000001d23533$a408cc90$ec1a65b0$@net>

 

 

No power output on 17 meters.  I was on 17 meters SSB and not getting
response to calls. The red tx light was on but no power output from the
KPA500. I could push the XMIT tune button and get power out but nothing
using the hand microphone. I powered the Amp down and tried again and red TX
light on but no power output from the K3s. I checked to make sure I was not
out of band. Powered the K3s off and back on and still not working. Went to
20 meters and everything works fine, go back to 17 and same problem. Go to
15 meters and working fine but still not working on 17 meters. After
powering the amp and radio down several more times it starts working again.
Besides yesterday and the weekend it has happened before but don't remember
which band but powering the amp down and back on seemed to fix it. Anyone
have any idea what is going on?

Earl, K4KAY


From ne2i at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  2 14:52:20 2016
From: ne2i at yahoo.com (George Cortez)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:52:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft KX3 + PX3
References: <1349331416.638187.1478112740254.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1349331416.638187.1478112740254@mail.yahoo.com>

For sale Elecraft KX3 with the following options:Antenna Tuner?Internal charger real time clockFilter board73CNC weighted knob with bearing in finger dimple.Side KX plates with lexan cover.Hand MicrophonePelican case for the radio.USB cable
Has a scratch on the display plastic. Replacements available from the factory.
Asking 1500$
PX3 available also for sale 400$
Factory built rig with only some of these options are over 2100$
Email or call (text) 845 489 8563
George NE2I


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Nov  2 15:14:31 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:14:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E0BB485D-B6F3-44BF-A948-023771F516C9@elecraft.com>

Hi Petr,

We go to great lengths to ensure performance of our K3/K3S crystal filters. First we 100% screen the crystals, testing them individually for electrical and physical IMD, activity level, Q, and center frequency. We then burn in, test and screen the finished filters. Finally, we label them clearly with the offset parameters required to set up the firmware. Lacking this final step, you could have filters that are not correctly centered. We also provide matched-frequency filters on request.

At the prices shown for these unauthorized knock-offs, you couldn't even buy the high-quality crystals themselves, much less put together and properly test the filters. 

Caveat emptor.

Wayne
N6KR



On Nov 2, 2016, at 10:12 AM, "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:

> Even although I did not measured them or even touched I am not recommending
> to purchase these filters. Even the soldering quality is giving a hint about
> the overall quality. You do not know anything about the used xtal's cuts,
> their parameters, matching in filter etc. The QC will be zero (as always in
> Chinese junks), return postage is higher than price itself. It is "ex-gratia
> problem" purchase...
> 
> My 2c add...
> 
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP





From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Nov  2 15:22:23 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:22:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7q1eOMn6yD4OmoJsyCw+MBz_SBHQ+QGon-630MO7m+bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CA+33ts7q1eOMn6yD4OmoJsyCw+MBz_SBHQ+QGon-630MO7m+bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74E60291-9C20-4031-A248-765C99F9F1F0@elecraft.com>

FYI: You can't screen crystals just with a VNA. And it isn't just about Q. 

Crystals have physical IMD properties that are highly dependent on signal injection level. We have to screen the crystals over a range of signal levels individually, first, then again when they're assembled into a filter. The crystals also have to be burned in, or they can rapidly age when installed in the radio and develop undesirable properties down the road. There can be issues with electrodes, dust, etc., unless the crystal manufacturer is held to a high standard.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Nov 2, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:

> If are willing to invest $50, then go ahead.  He does have a return policy.
> 
> Next, I would buy, beg, borrow a VNA and sweep them.  That is the only way
> to be sure.   It is hard to read his scans/sweeps.  They Q factor looks a
> little soft, but usable.
> 
> If the soldering is poor, that is an easy fix.  Just redo them.
> 
> I'm sure they will work ok.  They won't do any damage to your radio.  But,
> you normally do get what you pay for.
> 
> Mike va3mw




From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:42:09 2016
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:42:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <74E60291-9C20-4031-A248-765C99F9F1F0@elecraft.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CA+33ts7q1eOMn6yD4OmoJsyCw+MBz_SBHQ+QGon-630MO7m+bQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C0DAA749-03B3-4CE0-9C05-8C365C7A3EE3@gmail.com>

Ya, I would not want to invest that much money in an Elecraft and take a gunshot approach with accessories.  

I pay for what I get.

And? I have some exceptional Elecraft equipment on the desk, in the shack, in the go-bag and one currently at Don?s place.
I always take the approach to buy what I can afford but sometimes? I do spend more to get something exceptional.
Wayne, Eric, Don, thanks for all your help over the years and for building exceptional equipment, as well as exceptional support.

Frank KG9H


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI: You can't screen crystals just with a VNA. And it isn't just about Q. 
> 
> Crystals have physical IMD properties that are highly dependent on signal injection level. We have to screen the crystals over a range of signal levels individually, first, then again when they're assembled into a filter. The crystals also have to be burned in, or they can rapidly age when installed in the radio and develop undesirable properties down the road. There can be issues with electrodes, dust, etc., unless the crystal manufacturer is held to a high standard.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
>> If are willing to invest $50, then go ahead.  He does have a return policy.
>> 
>> Next, I would buy, beg, borrow a VNA and sweep them.  That is the only way
>> to be sure.   It is hard to read his scans/sweeps.  They Q factor looks a
>> little soft, but usable.
>> 
>> If the soldering is poor, that is an easy fix.  Just redo them.
>> 
>> I'm sure they will work ok.  They won't do any damage to your radio.  But,
>> you normally do get what you pay for.
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> 
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:50:31 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:50:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNTX2o6mPXj2nfMGc9++4RvxFHbzT-rG5KdiOUYCBgz3w@mail.gmail.com>

Two old sayings come to mind ....

'A fool and his money are soon parted" and "Ya gets what ya pays for"....

73

K0PP

From jim at rhodesend.net  Wed Nov  2 16:06:15 2016
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 15:06:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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Someone on the list here posted a few weeks ago advising not to bother. It
seems he did buy one and was not pleased with the product at all.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:44 AM, AL7CR <al7cr at mooseaviation.com> wrote:

> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
> considering the 1.8khz.
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Wed Nov  2 16:24:20 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:24:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <bdcb09c4-8fea-0eca-de59-9604a931d779@socal.rr.com>
References: <bdcb09c4-8fea-0eca-de59-9604a931d779@socal.rr.com>
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Yes, from Oct 18; perhaps this is it:

-----

Hi,

beware of purchasing the IF Crystal filters on eBay...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/500Hz-CW-Crystal-Filter-for-Elecraft-K3-with-8-crystals-/172338045381?hash=item282025e1c5:g:u4MAAOSwGtRX1PVT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250Hz-CW-Crystal-Filter-for-Elecraft-K3-with-8-crystals/201666313563?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37115%26meid%3D7da2954521644b4dbfd000bf3e4f9fdd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D172338045381

...unbelievable. Even the soldering quality, used headers, etc. are giving
an illustration about this product clone itself so be careful.

73 - Petr, OK1RP

-------
On 11/2/16 1:06 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Someone on the list here posted a few weeks ago advising not to bother. It
> seems he did buy one and was not pleased with the product at all.
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:44 AM, AL7CR<al7cr at mooseaviation.com>  wrote:
>
>> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
>> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
>> considering the 1.8khz.
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 16:32:43 2016
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 16:32:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <245c6dba-f1c3-040d-60e7-c574d756dfce@socal.rr.com>
References: <bdcb09c4-8fea-0eca-de59-9604a931d779@socal.rr.com>
	<245c6dba-f1c3-040d-60e7-c574d756dfce@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F52DE5D4-45D9-4A21-A991-1D2F20A87394@comcast.net>

How's the performance?  Anyone try one?

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, from Oct 18; perhaps this is it:
> 
> -----
> 
> Hi,
> 
> beware of purchasing the IF Crystal filters on eBay...
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/500Hz-CW-Crystal-Filter-for-Elecraft-K3-with-8-crystals-/172338045381?hash=item282025e1c5:g:u4MAAOSwGtRX1PVT
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/250Hz-CW-Crystal-Filter-for-Elecraft-K3-with-8-crystals/201666313563?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37115%26meid%3D7da2954521644b4dbfd000bf3e4f9fdd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D172338045381
> 
> ...unbelievable. Even the soldering quality, used headers, etc. are giving
> an illustration about this product clone itself so be careful.
> 
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> 
> -------
>> On 11/2/16 1:06 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>> Someone on the list here posted a few weeks ago advising not to bother. It
>> seems he did buy one and was not pleased with the product at all.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:44 AM, AL7CR<al7cr at mooseaviation.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
>>> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
>>> considering the 1.8khz.
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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  2 17:39:45 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:39:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <E0BB485D-B6F3-44BF-A948-023771F516C9@elecraft.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<E0BB485D-B6F3-44BF-A948-023771F516C9@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2081480652.679043.1478122785360@mail.yahoo.com>

When purchasing a used K3, remember to ask, "Are the filters genuine Elecraft?"

Al  W6LX

From indians at xsmail.com  Wed Nov  2 17:44:50 2016
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:44:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <245c6dba-f1c3-040d-60e7-c574d756dfce@socal.rr.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<245c6dba-f1c3-040d-60e7-c574d756dfce@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1478123090323-7623788.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

so again:

1. I never bought these filters from China on eBay! 
2. I just found them on eBay and I was disgusted a few weeks ago so I posted
the warning message to others over here on the list in order to not waste
their money as I am pretty sure these filters are poor quality!
3. As I mentioned today again I never spend single cent for junks on eBay
like these filters. I do not want to degrade my top quality K3 by chinese
knock-offs!
4. Please read carefully the post from Wayne, N6KR as he mentioned all what
I meant perfectly.

THANK YOU WAYNE FOR YOUR BRILIANT EXPLANATION.

Hope that people will understand it.

73 - Petr, OK1RP





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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Nov  2 17:51:14 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <74E60291-9C20-4031-A248-765C99F9F1F0@elecraft.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CA+33ts7q1eOMn6yD4OmoJsyCw+MBz_SBHQ+QGon-630MO7m+bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<74E60291-9C20-4031-A248-765C99F9F1F0@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <234224AD-DA8C-477F-8235-433BAFC8B865@wunderwood.org>

One of the fun things I got to help with at a summer job was an acceptance test of a filter for aircraft use. We bolted that poor little filter to a huge shake table, then checked the group delay under vibration. It did not pass.

There were some serious vacuum tubes powering the shake table ?voice coil?.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI: You can't screen crystals just with a VNA. And it isn't just about Q. 
> 
> Crystals have physical IMD properties that are highly dependent on signal injection level. We have to screen the crystals over a range of signal levels individually, first, then again when they're assembled into a filter. The crystals also have to be burned in, or they can rapidly age when installed in the radio and develop undesirable properties down the road. There can be issues with electrodes, dust, etc., unless the crystal manufacturer is held to a high standard.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
>> If are willing to invest $50, then go ahead.  He does have a return policy.
>> 
>> Next, I would buy, beg, borrow a VNA and sweep them.  That is the only way
>> to be sure.   It is hard to read his scans/sweeps.  They Q factor looks a
>> little soft, but usable.
>> 
>> If the soldering is poor, that is an easy fix.  Just redo them.
>> 
>> I'm sure they will work ok.  They won't do any damage to your radio.  But,
>> you normally do get what you pay for.
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Nov  2 17:58:40 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:58:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <d0ba1585-7bf5-7301-1978-0a46b7090521@foothill.net>

 From my short experience with LiIon batteries from China ["Blue 
Bombs"], I'd save up my bucks and get the real Elecraft filters.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/2/2016 9:44 AM, AL7CR wrote:
> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
> considering the 1.8khz.


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Nov  2 18:04:55 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:04:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <d0ba1585-7bf5-7301-1978-0a46b7090521@foothill.net>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<d0ba1585-7bf5-7301-1978-0a46b7090521@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ@mail.gmail.com>

I bought a TCXO on ebay for  my TS480 (SO-3).  I installed it and then put
the RF deck in the oven and then outside (it was winter).

I went through the Alignment calibration to see how far it drifted.  I
can't remember the exact number, but it was within limits in terms of PPM.
Which was great, as my TS480 sits outside all winter on the remote base and
that is as low as -30C at times.   It has been there for 7 years now (or
more).

For me, it was as test for $30 including shipping direct to my door.  It
looked exactly like the SO-3 @ $135  plus shipping.

So, before you declare the entire electronics world as poison, you do need
to do your homework.

Don't forget, this is an experimental hobby.

Try Something....

Mike va3mw

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> From my short experience with LiIon batteries from China ["Blue Bombs"],
> I'd save up my bucks and get the real Elecraft filters.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/2/2016 9:44 AM, AL7CR wrote:
>
>> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
>> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
>> considering the 1.8khz.
>>
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Nov  2 21:37:02 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:37:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Putting together Elecraft DXpedition list & stories --
	need your input
In-Reply-To: <5EE9F4F3-97BD-4DEC-9E9D-CBC695145686@elecraft.com>
References: <05F07C34-3C9F-44CA-9387-B6A789C72042@elecraft.com>
	<E0D11042-5D9F-4543-B04F-AA346BA85B25@elecraft.com>
	<5EE9F4F3-97BD-4DEC-9E9D-CBC695145686@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <ED78764B-91AC-45FE-A3F0-616804C8DF7A@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

The K-Line and KX-Line transceivers have been used in many DXpeditions. We'd like to put together a complete list of these for an upcoming edition of the Elecraft newsletter. We have information on most of them, but not all. 

If you know of DXpeditions that featured Elecraft gear, including those you participated in, please send us the callsigns and expedition dates.

We'll also be publishing a few brief tales from operators who have braved the elements to activate rare DX entities. Feel free to send your own stories (up to 500 words) for consideration.

73,

Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ




From vk2jng at icloud.com  Wed Nov  2 22:28:58 2016
From: vk2jng at icloud.com (Gerard Elijzen)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 12:28:58 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] PC Command (Requested Output Level; GET / SET
Message-ID: <F4537E9A-1DC8-4BE2-BA5F-2BF15ADDE81A@icloud.com>

Hi all,

Using the Kx3 utility Command tester Revision 1.16.6.25 on my MacBook Pro I noticed the following:

Issued command PC001; results in 1W
Issued command PC005; results in 5W
Issued command PC010; results in 10W
Issued command PC015; results in 15W
Issued command PC011; ALSO results in 15W. Could this be a bug perhaps?

Also, how does one issue a command to set the power level to 100mW or 500mW.

The current KX3 Programmers Manual under the PC command states that the range is from 000 to 012 and 015 but this is not the case. Also the power levels in this section are incorrect for the given bands. They should be reversed: 80-20m = 15W and 160/ 15-6m =12W.


My main question is: Using the PC command, how do I set the power level to 100mW?

Thanks,

Gerard VK2JNG


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov  2 22:30:25 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 22:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and KPA500 not transmitting
In-Reply-To: <000001d23533$a408cc90$ec1a65b0$@net>
References: <000001d23533$a408cc90$ec1a65b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4C34E01D-BAA5-45D3-9C75-92492451F007@widomaker.com>

Which antenna is selected on 17 m?


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:05 PM, efortner <efortner at ctc.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No power output on 17 meters.  I was on 17 meters SSB and not getting
> response to calls. The red tx light was on but no power output from the
> KPA500. I could push the XMIT tune button and get power out but nothing
> using the hand microphone. I powered the Amp down and tried again and red TX
> light on but no power output from the K3s. I checked to make sure I was not
> out of band. Powered the K3s off and back on and still not working. Went to
> 20 meters and everything works fine, go back to 17 and same problem. Go to
> 15 meters and working fine but still not working on 17 meters. After
> powering the amp and radio down several more times it starts working again.
> Besides yesterday and the weekend it has happened before but don't remember
> which band but powering the amp down and back on seemed to fix it. Anyone
> have any idea what is going on?
> 
> Earl, K4KAY
> 
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From ron at cobi.biz  Wed Nov  2 23:06:35 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:06:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>	<d0ba1585-7bf5-7301-1978-0a46b7090521@foothill.net>
	<CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101d2357f$49c40eb0$dd4c2c10$@biz>

What are you trying to accomplish by buying the new filter? If it is to help
avoid rx overload from a kilowatt next door, you might need one. Otherwise,
the DSP filters can do the job just fine. The ONLY reason to have the
crystal filters on receive is to strip any monster signals before they can
overload any subsequent circuits in the receiver, but the K3/K3S have
excellent dynamic range. 

73,Ron AC7AC

>> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
>> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
>> considering the 1.8khz.
>>


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov  2 23:35:31 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <2081480652.679043.1478122785360@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<E0BB485D-B6F3-44BF-A948-023771F516C9@elecraft.com>
	<2081480652.679043.1478122785360@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35B83071-A5D0-44D7-BFAE-D303EA9894F2@widomaker.com>

"Pop the top"!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> When purchasing a used K3, remember to ask, "Are the filters genuine Elecraft?"
> 
> Al  W6LX
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov  2 23:44:49 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:44:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PC Command (Requested Output Level; GET / SET
In-Reply-To: <F4537E9A-1DC8-4BE2-BA5F-2BF15ADDE81A@icloud.com>
References: <F4537E9A-1DC8-4BE2-BA5F-2BF15ADDE81A@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <D4E9A9B5-EC6E-466B-9773-439561624E41@widomaker.com>

.1?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Gerard Elijzen <vk2jng at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Using the Kx3 utility Command tester Revision 1.16.6.25 on my MacBook Pro I noticed the following:
> 
> Issued command PC001; results in 1W
> Issued command PC005; results in 5W
> Issued command PC010; results in 10W
> Issued command PC015; results in 15W
> Issued command PC011; ALSO results in 15W. Could this be a bug perhaps?
> 
> Also, how does one issue a command to set the power level to 100mW or 500mW.
> 
> The current KX3 Programmers Manual under the PC command states that the range is from 000 to 012 and 015 but this is not the case. Also the power levels in this section are incorrect for the given bands. They should be reversed: 80-20m = 15W and 160/ 15-6m =12W.
> 
> 
> My main question is: Using the PC command, how do I set the power level to 100mW?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gerard VK2JNG
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From kb3sqw at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 00:42:51 2016
From: kb3sqw at yahoo.com (Todd Burnham)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 04:42:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] proset ic headset for k2 k3 for sale
References: <412517608.190725.1478148171851.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <412517608.190725.1478148171851@mail.yahoo.com>


I have a proset ic that I cant use as I sold my k3. it is working in good shape with adapter for radio. email kb3sqw at yahoo.com if interested.130 buyer pays shipping . obo. thanks Kb3sqw?? Todd??

From cf at cfcorp.com  Thu Nov  3 01:50:21 2016
From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 22:50:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <35B83071-A5D0-44D7-BFAE-D303EA9894F2@widomaker.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>	<E0BB485D-B6F3-44BF-A948-023771F516C9@elecraft.com>	<2081480652.679043.1478122785360@mail.yahoo.com>
	<35B83071-A5D0-44D7-BFAE-D303EA9894F2@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <0c4701d23596$2a762cc0$7f628640$@com>

"Elecraft Inside!", to borrow Intel's old line.

But seriously, people just spent circa $3K-$4K USD (new) on a high
performance radio and then go this route on a fairly critical component?

On one hand, it's a tribute to Elecraft's success and popularity, on the
other it can be a support nightmare.  Can counterfeit versions be that far
off?

73,

Cliff K3LL/6

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 8:36 PM
To: Al Lorona
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay

"Pop the top"!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> When purchasing a used K3, remember to ask, "Are the filters genuine
Elecraft?"
> 
> Al  W6LX
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 03:15:10 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 03:15:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor
In-Reply-To: <157bf9fa129.glcazzola@alice.it>
References: <157bf9fa129.glcazzola@alice.it>
Message-ID: <CANckpc0Xq7RKfqgafuSJH82jdDawuFKLOJ9mzsspUNNRMUC3xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Have not forgotten this.  Have been sick for a while. It's on my reply
list. 73, Guy

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:58 PM, glcazzola at alice.it <glcazzola at alice.it>
wrote:

>
> Many thanks Guy for you help.
> I use K3S from april and can be that I havent set at the best the rig.
> I work 90% CW, usually with 500hz 5 pole filter, sometime with the 200hz 6
> pole.
> Usually I work 40-20-17-15-10 meter, in contests also 80 meters.
> In these last months I worked expecially 40-20-18-15.
> Usually I have AGC slow for ragchewing and fast for contests, always qsk
> with a bug.
> PRE - no
> ATT-  no
> AGC - slow, sometime fast
> ANT - a Force 12 C4 yagi (2el 20 - 3el 15 - 3 el 10m - 1 element 40m 17m
> 12m  - also have a dipole 80m-40m inv vee low on a roof at 5th floor; the
> yagi is 8m high from this roof (composite material, including aluminum
> layer), the buildings around are lower.
> RX ANT - no
> WIDTH - the same as xtal filter, 500hz or 200hz.
>
> in the CONFIG MENU I have:
> AGC DCY - nor
> AGC HLD - 0.00
> AGC PLS - nor
> AGC SLP - 012
> AGC THR - 005
> AGC-F - 120
> AGC-S - 020
>
> Now with the 500hz filter and agc fast, no preamp no attenuator,  ant yagi
>  to north america,  in this moment, I have this noise (local time 22.00):
> 40m---- S7
> 20m ----S4 S5
> 17m --- S3 S4
> 15m -  S3
> 12 m --- S1 S2
> 28mhz--- S4
> Some time of the day noise from long range radar, wide spectrum military
> emissions or domestic applience or lights noises go up to S9.
>
> You asked the higher signals that I receive: say 20dB over S9 or even 30dB
> over S9 from a pair of local hams at the other side of my town.
>
> But I work all kind of signals low and high (327 countries DXCC and a lot
> of ragchew CW).
>
> Thanks for your patience :)
>
> Ian IK4EWX
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Messaggio originale----
> Da: k2av.guy at gmail.com
> Data: 13-ott-2016 21.08
> A: "Gian Luca Cazzola"<glcazzola at alice.it>, <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> Ogg: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor
>
>
> Hi, Ian,
>
> Can you possibly tell me these settings, please? You are getting
> results very, very different than I do.
>
> What bands are you using?
>
> On each band in question, what is the noise floor on the s-meter when
> the band is open.
>
> On each band in question, what is the s-meter reading for the loudest
> signals you are receiving when the band is open.
>
> On each band in question, what are these settings made from the front
> panel: PRE, ATT, AGC, ANT, RX ANT, WIDTH,
>
> What are these settings made in the CONFIG MENU: AGC DCY, AGC HLD, AGC
> PLS, AGC SLP, AGC THR, AGC-F, AGC-S
>
> There is some kind of interaction with NB and NR for each of these.
> Perhaps there are one or two of them that are reducing your results.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>
>

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 10:20:27 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 10:20:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-fg_Mfq5rvLcJee1P51NF-w5NM778KCrCEcDWHGXa_BQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'd appreciate knowledgeable estimates of the loss in dB through the KX3
ATU when working into a 44ft (NorCal) doublet fed with twinlead, with or
without a BL2 balun inline, on 20/17/15M.

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU

From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Nov  3 11:30:22 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 08:30:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <35B83071-A5D0-44D7-BFAE-D303EA9894F2@widomaker.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>	<1478106745086-7623775.post@n2.nabble.com>	<E0BB485D-B6F3-44BF-A948-023771F516C9@elecraft.com>	<2081480652.679043.1478122785360@mail.yahoo.com>
	<35B83071-A5D0-44D7-BFAE-D303EA9894F2@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <003e01d235e7$31a8a8a0$94f9f9e0$@biz>

It's not always a simple "pop". If equipped with a KRX3 sub receiver, it
also involves disconnecting a bunch of cables and removing the KRX3
enclosure to see the main K3S filters, then opening the KRX3 enclosure
itself to see what filters the sub rx has. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
"Pop the top"!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> When purchasing a used K3, remember to ask, "Are the filters genuine
Elecraft?"
> 
> Al  W6LX


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 11:43:05 2016
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 08:43:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<d0ba1585-7bf5-7301-1978-0a46b7090521@foothill.net>
	<CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3trB8X6m4r2mi1YvrUhumDXAM6U4SsfF0m6yJ3nigZXiw@mail.gmail.com>

Since you brought this up, I will post a link to my analysis of the
knockoff "TCXOs" for the Kenwoods. You do get what you pay for, and you
can't even buy good parts for what they charge.

The added phase noise of the Chinese parts increases the phase noise of the
TX by about 10 dB 15 kHz away. It also is full of spurs.

Basically, if you were on a DXpedition with 100W, you would splatter and
interfere like you had a kilowatt. By the way, the K3S with the new
synthesizer is even better in this regard. It is at least 20 dB lower which
would be more like if you had 1 W.

Only the good RX filters in the Kenwood radio prevent degradation in RMDR
on most bands. They basically made a really bad synthesizer, and made it
look like a TCXO. There is a lot more to it than just being on frequency

73,
W7MLG

On Nov 2, 2016 3:05 PM, "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:

> I bought a TCXO on ebay for  my TS480 (SO-3).  I installed it and then put
> the RF deck in the oven and then outside (it was winter).
>
> I went through the Alignment calibration to see how far it drifted.  I
> can't remember the exact number, but it was within limits in terms of PPM.
> Which was great, as my TS480 sits outside all winter on the remote base and
> that is as low as -30C at times.   It has been there for 7 years now (or
> more).
>
> For me, it was as test for $30 including shipping direct to my door.  It
> looked exactly like the SO-3 @ $135  plus shipping.
>
> So, before you declare the entire electronics world as poison, you do need
> to do your homework.
>
> Don't forget, this is an experimental hobby.
>
> Try Something....
>
> Mike va3mw
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
> > From my short experience with LiIon batteries from China ["Blue Bombs"],
> > I'd save up my bucks and get the real Elecraft filters.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Fred K6DGW
> > - Sparks NV DM09dn
> >
> > - Northern California Contest Club
> > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> > - www.cqp.org
> >
> > On 11/2/2016 9:44 AM, AL7CR wrote:
> >
> >> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
> >> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
> >> considering the 1.8khz.
> >>
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 12:08:15 2016
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 09:08:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3trB8X6m4r2mi1YvrUhumDXAM6U4SsfF0m6yJ3nigZXiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<d0ba1585-7bf5-7301-1978-0a46b7090521@foothill.net>
	<CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3trB8X6m4r2mi1YvrUhumDXAM6U4SsfF0m6yJ3nigZXiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3t3htgdCbFw7WG6M7+W5un8FJ7WV=hZNdmsEB1-bqF1mw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the link. Forgot to add it at the end. Posting on a small screen
will get you.

https://sites.google.com/site/markstcxomeasurements/

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Nov 3, 2016 8:43 AM, "Mark Goldberg" <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Since you brought this up, I will post a link to my analysis of the
> knockoff "TCXOs" for the Kenwoods. You do get what you pay for, and you
> can't even buy good parts for what they charge.
>
> The added phase noise of the Chinese parts increases the phase noise of
> the TX by about 10 dB 15 kHz away. It also is full of spurs.
>
> Basically, if you were on a DXpedition with 100W, you would splatter and
> interfere like you had a kilowatt. By the way, the K3S with the new
> synthesizer is even better in this regard. It is at least 20 dB lower which
> would be more like if you had 1 W.
>
> Only the good RX filters in the Kenwood radio prevent degradation in RMDR
> on most bands. They basically made a really bad synthesizer, and made it
> look like a TCXO. There is a lot more to it than just being on frequency
>
> 73,
> W7MLG
>
> On Nov 2, 2016 3:05 PM, "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>
>> I bought a TCXO on ebay for  my TS480 (SO-3).  I installed it and then put
>> the RF deck in the oven and then outside (it was winter).
>>
>> I went through the Alignment calibration to see how far it drifted.  I
>> can't remember the exact number, but it was within limits in terms of PPM.
>> Which was great, as my TS480 sits outside all winter on the remote base
>> and
>> that is as low as -30C at times.   It has been there for 7 years now (or
>> more).
>>
>> For me, it was as test for $30 including shipping direct to my door.  It
>> looked exactly like the SO-3 @ $135  plus shipping.
>>
>> So, before you declare the entire electronics world as poison, you do need
>> to do your homework.
>>
>> Don't forget, this is an experimental hobby.
>>
>> Try Something....
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>> > From my short experience with LiIon batteries from China ["Blue Bombs"],
>> > I'd save up my bucks and get the real Elecraft filters.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Fred K6DGW
>> > - Sparks NV DM09dn
>> >
>> > - Northern California Contest Club
>> > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
>> > - www.cqp.org
>> >
>> > On 11/2/2016 9:44 AM, AL7CR wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
>> >> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
>> >> considering the 1.8khz.
>> >>
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________________________
>> > Elecraft mailing list
>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> >
>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net
>> >
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>

From glcazzola at alice.it  Thu Nov  3 14:34:03 2016
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:34:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] R: Re: Re:  K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor
Message-ID: <1582b7821d1.glcazzola@alice.it>

Thanks Guy. I will wait your suggestion. I maked some different settings test but dont solved at the best. Working 90% CW, I tried different agc settings of agc thr and slp, but really I haven't found great solutions.I read some emails on reflectors about best agc settings, and tried them: THR - SLP12 - 510 -78 -2( I dont like higher THR settings, too noisy)OR5 - 12 (STANDARD ON k3S)7 - 1210-12But at the end I found that I prefer original 5 - 12  or the  little better 7 -12.I set agc hold that was 0 to 0,40 - it is better, it reduce noise between  cw letters, the K3S so seemed more as my old Cubic Astro 102BXA, that have a wonderful agc and a great qsk...But I understood also that thr-slp  5-12 is not the best for taking out of noise lower dx signals.So, really I havent found the ultimate setting...Also I am moderately satisfied of NR and totally unsatisfied of  NB.I confirm that I wouyld like your suggestions.73 de Ian IK4EWX


----Messaggio originale----

Da: k2av.guy at gmail.com

Data: 3-nov-2016 8.15

A: "glcazzola at alice.it"<glcazzola at alice.it>

Cc: "Guy Olinger K2AV"<k2av.guy at gmail.com>, <donwilh at embarqmail.com>, "Elecraft Reflector"<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Ogg: Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor



Have not forgotten this.  Have been sick for a while. It's on my reply list. 73, Guy
On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:58 PM, glcazzola at alice.it <glcazzola at alice.it> wrote:


Many thanks Guy for you help. I use K3S from april and can be that I havent set at the best the rig.I work 90% CW, usually with 500hz 5 pole filter, sometime with the 200hz 6 pole.Usually I work 40-20-17-15-10 meter, in contests also 80 meters.In these last months I worked expecially 40-20-18-15.Usually I have AGC slow for ragchewing and fast for contests, always qsk with a bug.PRE - noATT-  no AGC - slow, sometime fastANT - a Force 12 C4 yagi (2el 20 - 3el 15 - 3 el 10m - 1 element 40m 17m 12m  - also have a dipole 80m-40m inv vee low on a roof at 5th floor; the yagi is 8m high from this roof (composite material, including aluminum layer), the buildings around are lower.RX ANT - noWIDTH - the same as xtal filter, 500hz or 200hz.
in the CONFIG MENU I have: AGC DCY - norAGC HLD - 0.00AGC PLS - norAGC SLP - 012AGC THR - 005AGC-F - 120AGC-S - 020
Now with the 500hz filter and agc fast, no preamp no attenuator,  ant yagi  to north america,  in this moment, I have this noise (local time 22.00):40m---- S7 20m ----S4 S517m --- S3 S415m -  S312 m --- S1 S228mhz--- S4Some time of the day noise from long range radar, wide spectrum military emissions or domestic applience or lights noises go up to S9.
You asked the higher signals that I receive: say 20dB over S9 or even 30dB over S9 from a pair of local hams at the other side of my town.
But I work all kind of signals low and high (327 countries DXCC and a lot of ragchew CW).
Thanks for your patience :)
Ian IK4EWX







----Messaggio originale----
Da: k2av.guy at gmail.com
Data: 13-ott-2016 21.08
A: "Gian Luca Cazzola"<glcazzola at alice.it>, <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Ogg: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor

Hi, Ian,

Can you possibly tell me these settings, please? You are getting
results very, very different than I do.

What bands are you using?

On each band in question, what is the noise floor on the s-meter when
the band is open.

On each band in question, what is the s-meter reading for the loudest
signals you are receiving when the band is open.

On each band in question, what are these settings made from the front
panel: PRE, ATT, AGC, ANT, RX ANT, WIDTH,

What are these settings made in the CONFIG MENU: AGC DCY, AGC HLD, AGC
PLS, AGC SLP, AGC THR, AGC-F, AGC-S

There is some kind of interaction with NB and NR for each of these.
Perhaps there are one or two of them that are reducing your results.

73, Guy K2AV










From glcazzola at alice.it  Thu Nov  3 14:36:04 2016
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:36:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] I: Re: Re:  K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor
Message-ID: <1582b79fa76.glcazzola@alice.it>






----Messaggio originale----

Da: glcazzola at alice.it

Data: 3-nov-2016 19.34

A: <k2av.guy at gmail.com>

Cc: <donwilh at embarqmail.com>, "Elecraft Reflector"<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Ogg: R: Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor



Thanks Guy. I will wait your suggestion. I maked some different settings test but dont solved at the best. Working 90% CW, I tried different agc settings of agc thr and slp, but really I haven't found great solutions.I read some emails on reflectors about best agc settings, and tried them: THR - SLP12 - 510 -78 -2( I dont like higher THR settings, too noisy)OR5 - 12 (STANDARD ON k3S)7 - 1210-12But at the end I found that I prefer original 5 - 12  or the  little better 7 -12.I set agc hold that was 0 to 0,40 - it is better, it reduce noise between  cw letters, the K3S so seemed more as my old Cubic Astro 102BXA, that have a wonderful agc and a great qsk...But I understood also that thr-slp  5-12 is not the best for taking out of noise lower dx signals.So, really I havent found the ultimate setting...Also I am moderately satisfied of NR and totally unsatisfied of  NB.I confirm that I wouyld like your suggestions.73 de Ian IK4EWX


----Messaggio originale----

Da: k2av.guy at gmail.com

Data: 3-nov-2016 8.15

A: "glcazzola at alice.it"<glcazzola at alice.it>

Cc: "Guy Olinger K2AV"<k2av.guy at gmail.com>, <donwilh at embarqmail.com>, "Elecraft Reflector"<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Ogg: Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor



Have not forgotten this.  Have been sick for a while. It's on my reply list. 73, Guy
On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:58 PM, glcazzola at alice.it <glcazzola at alice.it> wrote:


Many thanks Guy for you help. I use K3S from april and can be that I havent set at the best the rig.I work 90% CW, usually with 500hz 5 pole filter, sometime with the 200hz 6 pole.Usually I work 40-20-17-15-10 meter, in contests also 80 meters.In these last months I worked expecially 40-20-18-15.Usually I have AGC slow for ragchewing and fast for contests, always qsk with a bug.PRE - noATT-  no AGC - slow, sometime fastANT - a Force 12 C4 yagi (2el 20 - 3el 15 - 3 el 10m - 1 element 40m 17m 12m  - also have a dipole 80m-40m inv vee low on a roof at 5th floor; the yagi is 8m high from this roof (composite material, including aluminum layer), the buildings around are lower.RX ANT - noWIDTH - the same as xtal filter, 500hz or 200hz.
in the CONFIG MENU I have: AGC DCY - norAGC HLD - 0.00AGC PLS - norAGC SLP - 012AGC THR - 005AGC-F - 120AGC-S - 020
Now with the 500hz filter and agc fast, no preamp no attenuator,  ant yagi  to north america,  in this moment, I have this noise (local time 22.00):40m---- S7 20m ----S4 S517m --- S3 S415m -  S312 m --- S1 S228mhz--- S4Some time of the day noise from long range radar, wide spectrum military emissions or domestic applience or lights noises go up to S9.
You asked the higher signals that I receive: say 20dB over S9 or even 30dB over S9 from a pair of local hams at the other side of my town.
But I work all kind of signals low and high (327 countries DXCC and a lot of ragchew CW).
Thanks for your patience :)
Ian IK4EWX







----Messaggio originale----
Da: k2av.guy at gmail.com
Data: 13-ott-2016 21.08
A: "Gian Luca Cazzola"<glcazzola at alice.it>, <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Ogg: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - K3 Noise Blanker and Noise Reductor

Hi, Ian,

Can you possibly tell me these settings, please? You are getting
results very, very different than I do.

What bands are you using?

On each band in question, what is the noise floor on the s-meter when
the band is open.

On each band in question, what is the s-meter reading for the loudest
signals you are receiving when the band is open.

On each band in question, what are these settings made from the front
panel: PRE, ATT, AGC, ANT, RX ANT, WIDTH,

What are these settings made in the CONFIG MENU: AGC DCY, AGC HLD, AGC
PLS, AGC SLP, AGC THR, AGC-F, AGC-S

There is some kind of interaction with NB and NR for each of these.
Perhaps there are one or two of them that are reducing your results.

73, Guy K2AV














From edauer at law.du.edu  Thu Nov  3 14:56:54 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:56:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Pico Paddle MK-KX3 and Nifty Stand
Message-ID: <4C59AC42-F121-4183-AC27-38849E0CBB24@law.du.edu>

I have been looking at photos of the Palm MK-KX3 adapter, which allows a Pico Paddle to be fixed directly to the existing KX3.  What I cannot tell from the photos, which all show the KX3 flat or on its short rear legs, and have not seen in any discussion, is whether the Pico and MX-KX3 combination is compatible with having the KX3 on a Nifty stand.   It looks as if the total length would put the paddle end further than the bottom edge of the stand, and if the Pico were canted to the side, the vertical axis of the paddles themselves would be at a very strange angle.  If the MK-KX3 bracket were hinged where it makes a 90 degree bend, it would work OK but it looks as if that is just a rigid bend.

Does anyone know?  Can the Pico with MK-KX3 work with a KX3 on a Nifty stand?

Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR


From john at kn5l.net  Thu Nov  3 15:27:20 2016
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:27:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?
In-Reply-To: <CALHj_b-fg_Mfq5rvLcJee1P51NF-w5NM778KCrCEcDWHGXa_BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHj_b-fg_Mfq5rvLcJee1P51NF-w5NM778KCrCEcDWHGXa_BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c331c760-cd7e-df66-a031-fa430609eac4@kn5l.net>

Hi Barry,

The tuner will have negligible compared to the transmission line
miss-match loss.

Take a look at the KX3 list messages:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/messages/60190
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/messages/60192

John KN5L

On 11/03/2016 09:20 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
> I'd appreciate knowledgeable estimates of the loss in dB through the KX3
> ATU when working into a 44ft (NorCal) doublet fed with twinlead, with or
> without a BL2 balun inline, on 20/17/15M.

From hotrod541 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 15:58:28 2016
From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (louis a. ives)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:58:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] VOX SETTING FOR UPGRADED K-3
Message-ID: <BLUPR19MB01637AB94FC987F72D0F0737F5A30@BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I have upgraded my K-3 with all available new K3s updates and I just received it back from Elecraft (check up and align).  There is a great improvement in performance but I now notice that when I set up my Heil Proset (ic) headset for Vox use, I must run the anti-vox a lot higher than I used too (30-35).  I also have noticed that the Vox gain must be at the lowest level.  I use the settings for my tx and rx eqs set to the recommended setting in KE7X, Fred Caddy book and they have worked great in the past.  I need to know if anyone has found the same thing and if there are other recommended setting.  What am I missing here?
Thanks in advance.
KJ4ZSI
PSent from my iPad

From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Nov  3 16:08:34 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:08:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?
In-Reply-To: <CALHj_b-fg_Mfq5rvLcJee1P51NF-w5NM778KCrCEcDWHGXa_BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHj_b-fg_Mfq5rvLcJee1P51NF-w5NM778KCrCEcDWHGXa_BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901d2360e$0ec2b890$2c4829b0$@biz>

You ask a commonly asked question. And, as usual, no responses so far. 

I can't give you an estimate either because first, the losses are highly
dependent upon the impedance transformation. You'd need to characterize that
doublet and feed line (the length of the feed line is important) to see what
impedance it presents to the ATU.

Then you need to measure the ohmic losses in the ATU inductors, wiring and
connectors. Dielectric losses may occur but with modern gear they are very
tiny at HF. 

Finally you calculate the currents flowing in the ATU at each impedance
transformation required to achieve a match to your feed line so you can
calculate the losses based on the resistance of the wires, inductors, and
connectors. 

Personally, I accept the idea that an L-network (which all the Elecraft ATUs
use) is highly efficient and leave it at that. 

If I were really inclined to actually measure the loss, I'd first measure
the RF power output into a stable 50 ohm load without the ATU in the
circuit. Measure with an external wattmeter at the load as well as the KX3
output power indicated.  

Then I'd breadboard another L-network with a variable cap and variable
inductor, connect it to the 50 ohm load and to the KX3 output, transmit and
adjust the external L-net (not the KX3 ATU) for a 1:1 match. In that way you
have created a known dummy load that presents the same complex impedance to
the KX3 as your antenna system. 

Now you can transmit at the same power at the KX3 as before and see what the
power is at the 50 ohm load. Actually, you will be seeing what the power is
after passing through both matching networks. 

My guess is that you'd find the total loss so low you won't be able to read
the difference on the two power meters. 

A more direct approach would be to isolate the ATU in a very well insulated
enclosure, transmit, and measure the temperature rise until it stabilizes.
You can then calculate how much energy is being dissipated by the ATU and
becoming heat. That requires the ATU be carefully isolated from the rest of
the KX3 and be in a very well insulated enclosure to avoid loss of heat to
the environment, something not practical to do with a KX3. It is, however, a
valid way to determine losses in external devices like an RF transformer
(e.g. "balun").

I suspect this explains why few (if any) Hams bother to make the
measurements.

73, Ron AC7AC 



 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry
N1EU
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 7:20 AM
To: elecraft; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?

I'd appreciate knowledgeable estimates of the loss in dB through the KX3 ATU
when working into a 44ft (NorCal) doublet fed with twinlead, with or without
a BL2 balun inline, on 20/17/15M.

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Nov  3 17:16:40 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 21:16:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3t3htgdCbFw7WG6M7+W5un8FJ7WV=hZNdmsEB1-bqF1mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1478105046.227981.775248745.69423586@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<d0ba1585-7bf5-7301-1978-0a46b7090521@foothill.net>
	<CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3trB8X6m4r2mi1YvrUhumDXAM6U4SsfF0m6yJ3nigZXiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3t3htgdCbFw7WG6M7+W5un8FJ7WV=hZNdmsEB1-bqF1mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F131A685-0399-4A22-A04F-29FA582B4496@yahoo.co.uk>

Thanks, excellent work!

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 3 Nov 2016, at 16:08, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here is the link. Forgot to add it at the end. Posting on a small screen
> will get you.
> 
> https://sites.google.com/site/markstcxomeasurements/
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark
> W7MLG
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016 8:43 AM, "Mark Goldberg" <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Since you brought this up, I will post a link to my analysis of the
>> knockoff "TCXOs" for the Kenwoods. You do get what you pay for, and you
>> can't even buy good parts for what they charge.
>> 
>> The added phase noise of the Chinese parts increases the phase noise of
>> the TX by about 10 dB 15 kHz away. It also is full of spurs.
>> 
>> Basically, if you were on a DXpedition with 100W, you would splatter and
>> interfere like you had a kilowatt. By the way, the K3S with the new
>> synthesizer is even better in this regard. It is at least 20 dB lower which
>> would be more like if you had 1 W.
>> 
>> Only the good RX filters in the Kenwood radio prevent degradation in RMDR
>> on most bands. They basically made a really bad synthesizer, and made it
>> look like a TCXO. There is a lot more to it than just being on frequency
>> 
>> 73,
>> W7MLG
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016 3:05 PM, "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I bought a TCXO on ebay for  my TS480 (SO-3).  I installed it and then put
>>> the RF deck in the oven and then outside (it was winter).
>>> 
>>> I went through the Alignment calibration to see how far it drifted.  I
>>> can't remember the exact number, but it was within limits in terms of PPM.
>>> Which was great, as my TS480 sits outside all winter on the remote base
>>> and
>>> that is as low as -30C at times.   It has been there for 7 years now (or
>>> more).
>>> 
>>> For me, it was as test for $30 including shipping direct to my door.  It
>>> looked exactly like the SO-3 @ $135  plus shipping.
>>> 
>>> So, before you declare the entire electronics world as poison, you do need
>>> to do your homework.
>>> 
>>> Don't forget, this is an experimental hobby.
>>> 
>>> Try Something....
>>> 
>>> Mike va3mw
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From my short experience with LiIon batteries from China ["Blue Bombs"],
>>>> I'd save up my bucks and get the real Elecraft filters.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>>>> 
>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/2/2016 9:44 AM, AL7CR wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am tempted to try one of the Chinese made filters listed for sale on
>>>>> Ebay.   Does anyone have any experience with using one?  I am
>>>>> considering the 1.8khz.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> 
>> 
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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 17:35:22 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:35:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?
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It ends up that John KN5L gave a thorough treatment to the topic in this
thread (might need to be a member of the KX3 Yahoo Group to read):
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/topics/5869

73, Barry N1EU

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:

> You ask a commonly asked question. And, as usual, no responses so far.
>
> I can't give you an estimate either because first, the losses are highly
> dependent upon the impedance transformation. You'd need to characterize
> that
> doublet and feed line (the length of the feed line is important) to see
> what
> impedance it presents to the ATU.
>
> Then you need to measure the ohmic losses in the ATU inductors, wiring and
> connectors. Dielectric losses may occur but with modern gear they are very
> tiny at HF.
>
> Finally you calculate the currents flowing in the ATU at each impedance
> transformation required to achieve a match to your feed line so you can
> calculate the losses based on the resistance of the wires, inductors, and
> connectors.
>
> Personally, I accept the idea that an L-network (which all the Elecraft
> ATUs
> use) is highly efficient and leave it at that.
>
> If I were really inclined to actually measure the loss, I'd first measure
> the RF power output into a stable 50 ohm load without the ATU in the
> circuit. Measure with an external wattmeter at the load as well as the KX3
> output power indicated.
>
> Then I'd breadboard another L-network with a variable cap and variable
> inductor, connect it to the 50 ohm load and to the KX3 output, transmit and
> adjust the external L-net (not the KX3 ATU) for a 1:1 match. In that way
> you
> have created a known dummy load that presents the same complex impedance to
> the KX3 as your antenna system.
>
> Now you can transmit at the same power at the KX3 as before and see what
> the
> power is at the 50 ohm load. Actually, you will be seeing what the power is
> after passing through both matching networks.
>
> My guess is that you'd find the total loss so low you won't be able to read
> the difference on the two power meters.
>
> A more direct approach would be to isolate the ATU in a very well insulated
> enclosure, transmit, and measure the temperature rise until it stabilizes.
> You can then calculate how much energy is being dissipated by the ATU and
> becoming heat. That requires the ATU be carefully isolated from the rest of
> the KX3 and be in a very well insulated enclosure to avoid loss of heat to
> the environment, something not practical to do with a KX3. It is, however,
> a
> valid way to determine losses in external devices like an RF transformer
> (e.g. "balun").
>
> I suspect this explains why few (if any) Hams bother to make the
> measurements.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Barry
> N1EU
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 7:20 AM
> To: elecraft; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?
>
> I'd appreciate knowledgeable estimates of the loss in dB through the KX3
> ATU
> when working into a 44ft (NorCal) doublet fed with twinlead, with or
> without
> a BL2 balun inline, on 20/17/15M.
>
> Thanks & 73,
> Barry N1EU
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From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Nov  3 18:45:13 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 15:45:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?
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FB. I get enough e-mail already. Hope your questions were answered. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry
N1EU
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 2:35 PM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire
Cc: elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?

It ends up that John KN5L gave a thorough treatment to the topic in this
thread (might need to be a member of the KX3 Yahoo Group to read):
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/topics/5869

73, Barry N1EU

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:

> You ask a commonly asked question. And, as usual, no responses so far.
>
> I can't give you an estimate either because first, the losses are 
> highly dependent upon the impedance transformation. You'd need to 
> characterize that doublet and feed line (the length of the feed line 
> is important) to see what impedance it presents to the ATU.
>
> Then you need to measure the ohmic losses in the ATU inductors, wiring 
> and connectors. Dielectric losses may occur but with modern gear they 
> are very tiny at HF.
>
> Finally you calculate the currents flowing in the ATU at each 
> impedance transformation required to achieve a match to your feed line 
> so you can calculate the losses based on the resistance of the wires, 
> inductors, and connectors.
>
> Personally, I accept the idea that an L-network (which all the 
> Elecraft ATUs
> use) is highly efficient and leave it at that.
>
> If I were really inclined to actually measure the loss, I'd first 
> measure the RF power output into a stable 50 ohm load without the ATU 
> in the circuit. Measure with an external wattmeter at the load as well 
> as the KX3 output power indicated.
>
> Then I'd breadboard another L-network with a variable cap and variable 
> inductor, connect it to the 50 ohm load and to the KX3 output, 
> transmit and adjust the external L-net (not the KX3 ATU) for a 1:1 
> match. In that way you have created a known dummy load that presents 
> the same complex impedance to the KX3 as your antenna system.
>
> Now you can transmit at the same power at the KX3 as before and see 
> what the power is at the 50 ohm load. Actually, you will be seeing 
> what the power is after passing through both matching networks.
>
> My guess is that you'd find the total loss so low you won't be able to 
> read the difference on the two power meters.
>
> A more direct approach would be to isolate the ATU in a very well 
> insulated enclosure, transmit, and measure the temperature rise until it
stabilizes.
> You can then calculate how much energy is being dissipated by the ATU 
> and becoming heat. That requires the ATU be carefully isolated from 
> the rest of the KX3 and be in a very well insulated enclosure to avoid 
> loss of heat to the environment, something not practical to do with a 
> KX3. It is, however, a valid way to determine losses in external 
> devices like an RF transformer (e.g. "balun").
>
> I suspect this explains why few (if any) Hams bother to make the 
> measurements.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Barry N1EU
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 7:20 AM
> To: elecraft; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 tuner loss?
>
> I'd appreciate knowledgeable estimates of the loss in dB through the 
> KX3 ATU when working into a 44ft (NorCal) doublet fed with twinlead, 
> with or without a BL2 balun inline, on 20/17/15M.
>
> Thanks & 73,
> Barry N1EU
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Thu Nov  3 19:12:38 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 23:12:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU
Message-ID: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>

I loved Ron?s (AC7AC?s) alternative method for measuring power losses in an ATU (reprinted below.)  But if I remember my high school physics correctly, wouldn?t one have to know the specific heat, and the mass, of every bit of matter in the enclosure that participates in the thermal equilibrium in order to calculate the energy loss from the temperature rise?  That made me wonder if Ron offered it tongue-in-cheek.

That suspicion in turn called to mind the classic story of the bored physics class, in which the students were given a barometer and a battery-powered clock and asked to describe how they would determine the height of a nearby building.  One answer was to drop the barometer from the roof, use the clock to measure how long it took to hit the ground, and then working backwards from the known rate of gravitational acceleration calculate the distance it traveled.  Another was to lower the barometer on a string from the roof just to the point where it missed grazing the ground, start it swinging and then measure the period of the pendulum which is, friction ignored, a constant function of its length.  Third (for the pilots in the crowd), measure the barometric pressure at the roof and at the ground and, using the standard barometric pressure reduction rate and assuming a standard temperature lapse rate, calculate the difference between the two altitudes.  Finally, one fellow who was not destined to become a physicist but rather something else entirely, scoffed at having to climb to the roof.  He said, we?ll just go one flight down to the basement ? where we give the superintendent the barometer and the clock as a bribe for him to tell us how tall the building is.

I know it?s OT.  Sorry.  But I haven?t had an excuse to retell that one in years. 

Ted, KN1CBR




On 11/3/16, 3:16 PM, "Elecraft on behalf of elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

    
    A more direct approach would be to isolate the ATU in a very well insulated
    enclosure, transmit, and measure the temperature rise until it stabilizes.
    You can then calculate how much energy is being dissipated by the ATU and
    becoming heat. That requires the ATU be carefully isolated from the rest of
    the KX3 and be in a very well insulated enclosure to avoid loss of heat to
    the environment, something not practical to do with a KX3. It is, however, a
    valid way to determine losses in external devices like an RF transformer
    (e.g. "balun").
    
    


From k9ma at sdellington.us  Thu Nov  3 19:28:28 2016
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:28:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU
In-Reply-To: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>
References: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <26e6a6ee-5151-c9ec-2b37-f91b16d1872c@sdellington.us>

I haven't tried it, but one way to measure the loss of the ATU would be 
to connect a second, identical ATU "backwards" to a 50 Ohm load. This 
second ATU would be tuned to present the highest or lowest resistive 
load possible.  One way this could be done would be by connecting a 
resistor across the transceiver output, matching it, and reading out the 
ATU component values.  The second ATU would be set to the same values, 
which should result in a match from the first ATU without retuning.  The 
measured loss would be twice that of a single ATU.

That said, it's very likely the maximum ATU loss would be at the highest 
frequency of interest and highest or lowest impedance the ATU can 
match.  Highly reactive loads might make it worse.  I suppose an 
automated test could explore all the possible combinations.

This could all be simulated, of course, if good models of the components 
are available.  I suspect most of the loss is in the inductors, but one 
needs to know more than their DC resistance.

73,

Scott  K9MA

-- 
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k9ma at sdellington.us


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Nov  3 20:29:17 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:29:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3 KX2] Using a TR switch with a 2nd received and KX2
Message-ID: <573ro2uq8pdi6qn4orrr0hyl.1478219357375@email.android.com>

HiI have a question about using a TR switch like the MFJ 1708 with the KX3 or KX2 and another receiver attached to the same antenna. I realize that transmitting could blow the front end of the second receiver if it is not switched out of the antenna path and grounded during transmit.My question is, the MJF has an RF sense that will switch the relay without using the key out when it detects RF. However, would this not mean that the RF is already there, and pose a risk? Or, is the switching fast enough so that there would be no issues? ?There is a schematic available in the manual for the MJF.?Thanks for any advice.73 Tom?va2fsq.com?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Nov  3 23:16:52 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:16:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU
In-Reply-To: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>
References: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <000c01d23649$e3ecdfb0$abc69f10$@biz>

Ha, ha, Ed... excellent comment! I tend to lean toward empirical measurements so, since there are so many variables in the isolated ATU experiment my approach is to let the system stabilize at some temperature and then open it and allow it to return to ambient. Then I seal it up again and energize a resistor (light bulb or resistor) that had been previously included in the enclosure and reach equilibrium at the same temperature with no RF applied. Simple current X volts to the lap calculation will show exactly how much power is required. That's the power being lost. 

It's tedious and time consuming. 

I have not done that with an ATU but I have testing other so-called "passive" devices. That's why I call passive devices power loss devices, Hi! 

Being lazy, I, too, would have bribed the superintendent. 

73, Ron AC7AC

  

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 4:13 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU

I loved Ron?s (AC7AC?s) alternative method for measuring power losses in an ATU (reprinted below.)  But if I remember my high school physics correctly, wouldn?t one have to know the specific heat, and the mass, of every bit of matter in the enclosure that participates in the thermal equilibrium in order to calculate the energy loss from the temperature rise?  That made me wonder if Ron offered it tongue-in-cheek.

That suspicion in turn called to mind the classic story of the bored physics class, in which the students were given a barometer and a battery-powered clock and asked to describe how they would determine the height of a nearby building.  One answer was to drop the barometer from the roof, use the clock to measure how long it took to hit the ground, and then working backwards from the known rate of gravitational acceleration calculate the distance it traveled.  Another was to lower the barometer on a string from the roof just to the point where it missed grazing the ground, start it swinging and then measure the period of the pendulum which is, friction ignored, a constant function of its length.  Third (for the pilots in the crowd), measure the barometric pressure at the roof and at the ground and, using the standard barometric pressure reduction rate and assuming a standard temperature lapse rate, calculate the difference between the two altitudes.  Finally, one fellow who was not destined to become a physicist but rather something else entirely, scoffed at having to climb to the roof.  He said, we?ll just go one flight down to the basement ? where we give the superintendent the barometer and the clock as a bribe for him to tell us how tall the building is.

I know it?s OT.  Sorry.  But I haven?t had an excuse to retell that one in years. 

Ted, KN1CBR




On 11/3/16, 3:16 PM, "Elecraft on behalf of elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

    
    A more direct approach would be to isolate the ATU in a very well insulated
    enclosure, transmit, and measure the temperature rise until it stabilizes.
    You can then calculate how much energy is being dissipated by the ATU and
    becoming heat. That requires the ATU be carefully isolated from the rest of
    the KX3 and be in a very well insulated enclosure to avoid loss of heat to
    the environment, something not practical to do with a KX3. It is, however, a
    valid way to determine losses in external devices like an RF transformer
    (e.g. "balun").
    
    

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From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Nov  3 23:24:05 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:24:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU
In-Reply-To: <26e6a6ee-5151-c9ec-2b37-f91b16d1872c@sdellington.us>
References: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>
	<26e6a6ee-5151-c9ec-2b37-f91b16d1872c@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <000d01d2364a$e61f0c80$b25d2580$@biz>

Since, at HF, there is very little dielectric losses most of the loss is
resistive. That means the greatest loss is at whatever condition of
frequency and impedance transformation produces the greatest circulating
currents. You are quite right; RF resistance is different from dc
resistance. It's generally much higher due to the "skin effect".  

One of the widest range ATU circuits is the T-match, but it is capable of
producing a low SWR to the transmitter at settings the result I huge
circulating currents in the coil. More than a few Hams have discovered the
coil in their MFJ T-match tuner collapsed in a heap as the poly insulating
bars on the coil melted at a fraction of the rated power. It's easy to have
one consume more than 50% of the RF power applied. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9MA
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 4:28 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU

I haven't tried it, but one way to measure the loss of the ATU would be to
connect a second, identical ATU "backwards" to a 50 Ohm load. This second
ATU would be tuned to present the highest or lowest resistive load possible.
One way this could be done would be by connecting a resistor across the
transceiver output, matching it, and reading out the ATU component values.
The second ATU would be set to the same values, which should result in a
match from the first ATU without retuning.  The measured loss would be twice
that of a single ATU.

That said, it's very likely the maximum ATU loss would be at the highest
frequency of interest and highest or lowest impedance the ATU can match.
Highly reactive loads might make it worse.  I suppose an automated test
could explore all the possible combinations.

This could all be simulated, of course, if good models of the components are
available.  I suspect most of the loss is in the inductors, but one needs to
know more than their DC resistance.

73,

Scott  K9MA

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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Thu Nov  3 23:55:12 2016
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 22:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU
In-Reply-To: <000d01d2364a$e61f0c80$b25d2580$@biz>
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On 11/3/2016 22:24, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Since, at HF, there is very little dielectric losses most of the loss is
> resistive. That means the greatest loss is at whatever condition of
> frequency and impedance transformation produces the greatest circulating
> currents. You are quite right; RF resistance is different from dc
> resistance. It's generally much higher due to the "skin effect".

The core losses could also be significant.

> One of the widest range ATU circuits is the T-match, but it is capable of
> producing a low SWR to the transmitter at settings the result I huge
> circulating currents in the coil. More than a few Hams have discovered the
> coil in their MFJ T-match tuner collapsed in a heap as the poly insulating
> bars on the coil melted at a fraction of the rated power. It's easy to have
> one consume more than 50% of the RF power applied.

The L network is the lowest Q matching network (without a transformer), 
so it has the lowest circulating currents.  T and Pi networks have 
higher Q, but don't require a continuously variable inductor.

At extreme impedances, T and Pi network tuners can indeed be so lossy 
that most of the power is dissipated in the tuner itself.  One of mine 
once achieved a match to a shorted feedline, with predictable results.

73,

Scott  K9MA

> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9MA
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 4:28 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU
>
> I haven't tried it, but one way to measure the loss of the ATU would be to
> connect a second, identical ATU "backwards" to a 50 Ohm load. This second
> ATU would be tuned to present the highest or lowest resistive load possible.
> One way this could be done would be by connecting a resistor across the
> transceiver output, matching it, and reading out the ATU component values.
> The second ATU would be set to the same values, which should result in a
> match from the first ATU without retuning.  The measured loss would be twice
> that of a single ATU.
>
> That said, it's very likely the maximum ATU loss would be at the highest
> frequency of interest and highest or lowest impedance the ATU can match.
> Highly reactive loads might make it worse.  I suppose an automated test
> could explore all the possible combinations.
>
> This could all be simulated, of course, if good models of the components are
> available.  I suspect most of the loss is in the inductors, but one needs to
> know more than their DC resistance.
>
> 73,
>
> Scott  K9MA
>
> --
> Scott  K9MA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Nov  4 00:29:05 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 21:29:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] VOX SETTING FOR UPGRADED K-3
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Message-ID: <96ed8a1b-a6d4-1cd5-d43d-d76c3deb8699@triconet.org>

Setting up VOX/AntiVOX levels in my K3S is much fussier than my K3. In spite of 
the protestations of the pro audio guy, IMHO, VOX settings should be independent 
of mic gain settings. I realize this isn't the case for either radio, but the K3 
is simply easier to setup.

Likewise setting audio levels for AFSK RTTY operation using the K3S internal USB 
sound card is a PITA.  I've actually considered going back to the computer sound 
card.  I've raised these issues here in the past and once was asked how would I 
like VOX levels remembered by mode.  I thought that would be helpful, but it's 
never happened, despite a promise to bump it "up the list."

  On 11/3/2016 12:58 PM, louis a. ives wrote:
> I have upgraded my K-3 with all available new K3s updates and I just received it back from Elecraft (check up and align).  There is a great improvement in performance but I now notice that when I set up my Heil Proset (ic) headset for Vox use, I must run the anti-vox a lot higher than I used too (30-35).  I also have noticed that the Vox gain must be at the lowest level.  I use the settings for my tx and rx eqs set to the recommended setting in KE7X, Fred Caddy book and they have worked great in the past.  I need to know if anyone has found the same thing and if there are other recommended setting.  What am I missing here?
> Thanks in advance.
> KJ4ZSI


From widelitz at gte.net  Fri Nov  4 00:55:14 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 21:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Strangeness
Message-ID: <006d01d23657$a1fa5d40$e5ef17c0$@gte.net>

My P3, which is turned on when the K3 is turned on isn't working properly.
When turned on, it goes to a red screen, then cycles to a blue sceen, a
black screen and a checkerboard screen. The SVGA screen works properly. Some
of the P3 buttons work, some don't.

 

Any suggestions?

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 


From widelitz at gte.net  Fri Nov  4 01:32:18 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 22:32:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Strangeness
In-Reply-To: <C7DC61A9-C3FA-426C-A2E9-6E492F31C2EA@gmail.com>
References: <006d01d23657$a1fa5d40$e5ef17c0$@gte.net>
	<C7DC61A9-C3FA-426C-A2E9-6E492F31C2EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007a01d2365c$cfc65b20$6f531160$@gte.net>

Hi Mike,

 

After cycling the power 10 times or so, just as I was going to try the P3
utility to reload the firmware per your suggestion, the P3 started working
again. If the problem comes back, I'll try reloading the firmware.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  4 05:01:33 2016
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 09:01:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 151, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10669.1478207807.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.10669.1478207807.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <ce262aed-b609-b57b-1ee6-b7365a7e9931@googlemail.com>

On 03/11/16 21:16, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:04:55 -0400
> From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Chinese Filters on eBay
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+33ts7c2i2EYkMQw1JKS7UVHcgUFnBPtAzjgE5FHjD8jj13qQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I bought a TCXO on ebay for  my TS480 (SO-3).  I installed it and then put
> the RF deck in the oven and then outside (it was winter).
>
> I went through the Alignment calibration to see how far it drifted.  I
> can't remember the exact number, but it was within limits in terms of PPM.
> Which was great, as my TS480 sits outside all winter on the remote base and
> that is as low as -30C at times.   It has been there for 7 years now (or
> more).
>
> For me, it was as test for $30 including shipping direct to my door.  It
> looked exactly like the SO-3 @ $135  plus shipping.
>
> So, before you declare the entire electronics world as poison, you do need
> to do your homework.
>
> Don't forget, this is an experimental hobby.
>
> Try Something....
>
> Mike va3mw
I'd second that.   There is nothing stopping you from reworking any
doubtfull soldering on anything you purchase.  Yes, I've had to do that
to get things working in the recent past.   The design was fine, the
production less so.  You pay your money, you make your choice.  Amateur
Radio is *not* a consumer hobby, experiment, as Mike says.

Yes, there is some crap coming out of China (and not only via eBay.)  
But, there is a lot of good stuff too, very good in fact.  You need to
do your research and look at the reviews and feedback etc.   Most of the
sellers who only have one presence on eBay are fine, but not all.   A
lot of those who have multiple "shops" are doubtful, but again, not all.

Yes, I have been ripped off in the past, but I've also had some
amazingly good value kit from China too.

The above also applies to many vendors from all over the world.   Many
in the US for example haven?t a clue about European safety rules, and
just as many don't seem to acknowledge that the US is not "the world"
when it comes to shipping.

Have to say, that there are some idiot British sellers too.

Just because it's made elsewhere, and comes from outside your own
country, does not immediately mean it's all rubbish, conversely, just
because it's made in your home country does not mean it's all good either.

Have to say, it's a pity other Ham kit is not made to the same high
standards that Elecraft use.  But, there are one or two other makers now
around the globe, who are coming close.    Keep your eyes and mind open.

Lastly, if you have a current model PC or mobile phone, I bet they are
made in China.  Even Apple have product made in China.

73.

Dave G0WBX.


From tbeltran at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 09:37:31 2016
From: tbeltran at earthlink.net (Thomas Beltran)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
Message-ID: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>

I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's
back panel not working with software applications that need the rig's data,
but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just set up a ciro mazzoni
midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's frequency, getting data from
the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's control box only works automatically
when the the RS-232 connector from the control box is hooked directly to the
KX3's side panel, meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a slight
delay in setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  However, it
will not work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's back
panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so I
am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this list
has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in advance.
Tom W2CRN


From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Nov  4 10:14:12 2016
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:14:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <30F4B26D-14C3-4A33-A6EE-77DB322B6145@elecraft.com>

The problem has often been RS232 speed on the kx3 being different from that set in the amp. The KXPA utility will tell you the speed it connects with. Try 38400 bits/s.

Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 13:37, Thomas Beltran <tbeltran at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's
> back panel not working with software applications that need the rig's data,
> but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just set up a ciro mazzoni
> midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's frequency, getting data from
> the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's control box only works automatically
> when the the RS-232 connector from the control box is hooked directly to the
> KX3's side panel, meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a slight
> delay in setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  However, it
> will not work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's back
> panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so I
> am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this list
> has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in advance.
> Tom W2CRN
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov  4 10:20:46 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:20:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <c75ae25d-867f-a962-4405-1095b9132674@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

Do you have the KX3 to KXPA100 adapter cable plugged as indicated on 
page 14 of the KXPA100 manual?  If so, make certain the RJ-45 plugs are 
fully inserted - you should hear a slight click when they are fully 
mated.  If there is any doubt about them seating, pull back the boot on 
the RJ-45 cable end and push the inside connector body "home".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2016 9:37 AM, Thomas Beltran wrote:
> I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's
> back panel not working with software applications that need the rig's data,
> but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just set up a ciro mazzoni
> midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's frequency, getting data from
> the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's control box only works automatically
> when the the RS-232 connector from the control box is hooked directly to the
> KX3's side panel, meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a slight
> delay in setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  However, it
> will not work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's back
> panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so I
> am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this list
> has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in advance.
> Tom W2CRN

From crustacean at brig-elec.com  Fri Nov  4 10:22:38 2016
From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 10:22:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1478269358.3047.10.camel@arabica>

It is likely a RS232 speed issue like Dick Dievendorff said.  Something
else you may want to do is change the KX3 baud rate to match the
KXPA100.  The KXPA100 doesn't care what the baud rate of the KX3 is and
will auto detect it.  This way you will be able to seamlessly use the
KX3 by itself if for some reason you don't want or need the amp.


On Fri, 2016-11-04 at 06:37 -0700, Thomas Beltran wrote:

> I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's
> back panel not working with software applications that need the rig's data,
> but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just set up a ciro mazzoni
> midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's frequency, getting data from
> the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's control box only works automatically
> when the the RS-232 connector from the control box is hooked directly to the
> KX3's side panel, meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a slight
> delay in setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  However, it
> will not work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's back
> panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so I
> am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this list
> has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in advance.
> Tom W2CRN
> 
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From RCrane at woh.rr.com  Fri Nov  4 11:34:09 2016
From: RCrane at woh.rr.com (Robert Crane)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 4 band K1 for sale
Message-ID: <004d01d236b0$e32432b0$a96c9810$@woh.rr.com>

I have a 4-band (40m/30m/20m/15m) K1 with S/N is 3132 for sale. It was
carefully built and is in mint condition because it was rarely used (less
than 4 hours listening) and never used outside. It has been inside in a
non-smoking environment. It has had the AGC mod (capacitor change) and has
the LED backlight BKLKIT, noise blanker KNB1, and antenna tuner
KAT1installed. Also included is a carrying case with foam inserts to
securely hold the K1 and other items, not included, such as wire antenna,
small CW paddle and small AC power supply. The K1 specs are well beyond that
specified by Elecraft - frequency drift is nonexistent and the power output
is almost twice spec. $450 shipped/insured within U.S. PayPal preferred but
will accept other means of payment under the condition that funds need to
clear before I ship. Please contact me off the list at RCrane at woh.rr.com

 

Regards,

Robert Crane, W8SX

200 Lewiston Rd.

Kettering OH 45429-2644

(937) 299-7685 (H)

(937) 903-0087 (C)

RCrane at woh.rr.com

 


From tbeltran at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 10:34:53 2016
From: tbeltran at earthlink.net (Thomas Beltran)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:34:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <1478269358.3047.10.camel@arabica>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
	<1478269358.3047.10.camel@arabica>
Message-ID: <001f01d236a8$9bc4d760$d34e8620$@earthlink.net>

Hello John and thanks.  Should I figure out what the baud rate of the kx3 is
(since that works) and then set the kxpa100 to match?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
Pitz
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:23 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem

It is likely a RS232 speed issue like Dick Dievendorff said.  Something else
you may want to do is change the KX3 baud rate to match the KXPA100.  The
KXPA100 doesn't care what the baud rate of the KX3 is and will auto detect
it.  This way you will be able to seamlessly use the
KX3 by itself if for some reason you don't want or need the amp.


On Fri, 2016-11-04 at 06:37 -0700, Thomas Beltran wrote:

> I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the 
> KXPA100's back panel not working with software applications that need 
> the rig's data, but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just 
> set up a ciro mazzoni midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's 
> frequency, getting data from the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's 
> control box only works automatically when the the RS-232 connector 
> from the control box is hooked directly to the KX3's side panel, 
> meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a slight delay in 
> setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  However, it will not
work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's back
> panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so
I
> am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this 
> list has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in
advance.
> Tom W2CRN
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov  4 11:11:12 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:11:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <001f01d236a8$9bc4d760$d34e8620$@earthlink.net>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
	<1478269358.3047.10.camel@arabica>
	<001f01d236a8$9bc4d760$d34e8620$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <208ace52-8521-ee10-6ab1-0711a049c885@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

If it were not for the addition of your loop control box, you would set 
both the KXPA100 and the KX3 to the 38.4 rate.
But take a look at the baud rate requirements for your loop control box. 
  If it will handle 38.4k, then all is well, but if it requires a lesser 
baud rate, set both the KX3 and the KXPA100 to that baud rate.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2016 10:34 AM, Thomas Beltran wrote:
> Hello John and thanks.  Should I figure out what the baud rate of the kx3 is
> (since that works) and then set the kxpa100 to match?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
> Pitz
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:23 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
>
> It is likely a RS232 speed issue like Dick Dievendorff said.  Something else
> you may want to do is change the KX3 baud rate to match the KXPA100.  The

From tbeltran at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 13:04:46 2016
From: tbeltran at earthlink.net (Thomas Beltran)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <c75ae25d-867f-a962-4405-1095b9132674@embarqmail.com>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
	<c75ae25d-867f-a962-4405-1095b9132674@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <003801d236bd$8be400e0$a3ac02a0$@earthlink.net>

Hi Dick John and Don and thank you.  I checked everything and it was good.
I realized the KXPA100 did not have the current firmware, so I attempted to
upgrade it.  The upgrade failed, and now the utility cannot even connect to
the  KXPA100.  I tried a different computer and same result.  For now, I
just unhooked the KXPA100, and I am able to drive my SG-500 to about 200
watts with the KX3 alone.  I will have to revisit the amp problem.  However,
right now, I just received the loop and wanted to make sure it works.  Thank
you for your reponses.  Later, I will try to communicate with the KXPA100
alone and see what I can find out.  Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:21 AM
To: tbeltran at earthlink.net; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem

Tom,

Do you have the KX3 to KXPA100 adapter cable plugged as indicated on page 14
of the KXPA100 manual?  If so, make certain the RJ-45 plugs are fully
inserted - you should hear a slight click when they are fully mated.  If
there is any doubt about them seating, pull back the boot on the RJ-45 cable
end and push the inside connector body "home".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2016 9:37 AM, Thomas Beltran wrote:
> I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's
> back panel not working with software applications that need the rig's
data,
> but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just set up a ciro
mazzoni
> midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's frequency, getting data from
> the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's control box only works automatically
> when the the RS-232 connector from the control box is hooked directly to
the
> KX3's side panel, meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a slight
> delay in setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  However, it
> will not work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's back
> panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so
I
> am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this
list
> has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in
advance.
> Tom W2CRN


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Nov  4 14:34:42 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Measuring Losses in an ATU
In-Reply-To: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>
References: <A5CBAD79-E43C-419B-9DD9-4CBBAE54F2F9@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <eee2addd-78da-01ea-5bfa-6dd4db7b039a@foothill.net>

I once [1959] measured the efficiency of a 10 KW FM broadcast 
transmitter using a variant of Ron's suggestion.  Came within 0.9% of 
the value eventually measured on a water-cooled dummy load -- which was 
about the accuracy of my K&E Log-Log Duplex Vector rule.  Never 
underestimate the ingenuity of us old guys. :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn


On 11/3/2016 4:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> I loved Ron?s (AC7AC?s) alternative method for measuring power losses
> in an ATU (reprinted below.)  But if I remember my high school
> physics correctly, wouldn?t one have to know the specific heat, and
> the mass, of every bit of matter in the enclosure that participates
> in the thermal equilibrium in order to calculate the energy loss from
> the temperature rise?  That made me wonder if Ron offered it
> tongue-in-cheek.

From tbeltran at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 14:53:21 2016
From: tbeltran at earthlink.net (Thomas Beltran)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:53:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <003801d236bd$8be400e0$a3ac02a0$@earthlink.net>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>	<c75ae25d-867f-a962-4405-1095b9132674@embarqmail.com>
	<003801d236bd$8be400e0$a3ac02a0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <006601d236cc$b773e5e0$265bb1a0$@earthlink.net>

I was able to get the KXPA100 running again.  It seems that the firmware had
partial installed but then stopped.  So, I tried it on yet a third computer,
and was able to install the firmware.  This was done with the amp only.  The
baud rate, according to the utility program was 38400.  Then, hooked up
everthing (KX3, amp, and loop controller), and tried each of the baud rates
in the KX3 menus.  No luck.  Looking at the programmer's reference, it looks
like one can change the KXPA100's PC baud rate with the ^BRP command,
however, I am not sure how it is actually done.   Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Thomas
Beltran
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:05 AM
To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem

Hi Dick John and Don and thank you.  I checked everything and it was good.
I realized the KXPA100 did not have the current firmware, so I attempted to
upgrade it.  The upgrade failed, and now the utility cannot even connect to
the  KXPA100.  I tried a different computer and same result.  For now, I
just unhooked the KXPA100, and I am able to drive my SG-500 to about 200
watts with the KX3 alone.  I will have to revisit the amp problem.  However,
right now, I just received the loop and wanted to make sure it works.  Thank
you for your reponses.  Later, I will try to communicate with the KXPA100
alone and see what I can find out.  Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:21 AM
To: tbeltran at earthlink.net; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem

Tom,

Do you have the KX3 to KXPA100 adapter cable plugged as indicated on page 14
of the KXPA100 manual?  If so, make certain the RJ-45 plugs are fully
inserted - you should hear a slight click when they are fully mated.  If
there is any doubt about them seating, pull back the boot on the RJ-45 cable
end and push the inside connector body "home".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2016 9:37 AM, Thomas Beltran wrote:
> I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the 
> KXPA100's back panel not working with software applications that need 
> the rig's
data,
> but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just set up a ciro
mazzoni
> midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's frequency, getting data 
> from the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's control box only works 
> automatically when the the RS-232 connector from the control box is 
> hooked directly to
the
> KX3's side panel, meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a 
> slight delay in setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  
> However, it will not work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the
KXPA100's back
> panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so
I
> am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this
list
> has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in
advance.
> Tom W2CRN

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From tbeltran at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 15:24:57 2016
From: tbeltran at earthlink.net (Thomas Beltran)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:24:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <208ace52-8521-ee10-6ab1-0711a049c885@embarqmail.com>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
	<1478269358.3047.10.camel@arabica>
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Thanks Dick, John and Don - I plugged the Loop control directly to the KX3,
and tried the different baud rates - the control only works on 4800.  In
other reading, it seems that when the amp is on, everything defaults to
38400, so that is probably why the control box can not communicate.  Perhaps
by way of the utility codes, I can change the baud rate of the amp.  Thank
you for helping me get closer to the solution.  Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:11 AM
To: tbeltran at earthlink.net; 'John Pitz'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem

Tom,

If it were not for the addition of your loop control box, you would set both
the KXPA100 and the KX3 to the 38.4 rate.
But take a look at the baud rate requirements for your loop control box. 
  If it will handle 38.4k, then all is well, but if it requires a lesser
baud rate, set both the KX3 and the KXPA100 to that baud rate.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2016 10:34 AM, Thomas Beltran wrote:
> Hello John and thanks.  Should I figure out what the baud rate of the 
> kx3 is (since that works) and then set the kxpa100 to match?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> John Pitz
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:23 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
>
> It is likely a RS232 speed issue like Dick Dievendorff said.  
> Something else you may want to do is change the KX3 baud rate to match the
KXPA100.  The


From psaffren at elecraft.com  Fri Nov  4 18:28:42 2016
From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 15:28:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Strangeness
In-Reply-To: <006d01d23657$a1fa5d40$e5ef17c0$@gte.net>
References: <006d01d23657$a1fa5d40$e5ef17c0$@gte.net>
Message-ID: <1478298522948-7623828.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Ken, 

Have you checked the voltage at the P3 12V input?  On some earlier K3's
(sorry I don't have the exact date), the 12V RCA jack on the back of the K3
lacked sufficient current to properly drive a P3 with the SVGA add-in board. 
A good test would be to see how the P3 acts when powered directly from an
external source.  If you have one of the earlier K3's you can 'order' and
install our K312MDKT mod-kit. 

Kindly, 

Paul




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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Fri Nov  4 18:59:10 2016
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon  and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
Message-ID: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>


 I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy 
with the SWR reading between it and the K3

with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0  
respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.

however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3 
often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR 
climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly 
closely but about a level of 1 below.  example
K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on

Note that this is done with the KAT3  bypassed of course.

it made me wonder which is correct.   so I put in a meter.   old but 
faithfull KW electronics meter seems to track much closer to the P3's 
reading  which makes sense since the chances that my dipole would have 
a wide are at a solid 1:1 match before climbing as I move away from 
resonance  makes me wonder if the K3's SWR readings are out of 
calibration and if this can be adjusted.     my concern is that I may 
be excepting the SWR from the KAT3  when it may be in fact a little 
too high for the amps safety.

The power readings from both seems to be quite close.

Any thoughts?





David Moes
VE3SD



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov  4 19:42:02 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 19:42:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>

David,

You are trying to compare apples and oranges and expecting them to be 
the same.

The K3 SWR indication is at the *input* to the KAT3, and the TX Monitor 
is indicating the SWR at the *output* of the KAT3.
That is no reason that they should match.

The TX Monitor will always give you the unmatched SWR of your antenna, 
while the K3 will always indicate the match obtained after the antenna 
is tuned.

If you could place the TX Monitor sensor between the K3 PA stage and the 
KAT3, you could expect them to agree, but that connection location is 
impossible without seriously modifying your K3.

Even with the KAT3 in bypass, there is still some residual reactance 
which will make the readings different.
With the K3S, and its KAT3A, there is a relay that will truly bypass the 
L/C portion of the KAT3A and the readings should be closer, but still 
not exact.

With wattmeters as they are, expect a 10% difference in readings without 
alarm - wattmeters are not usually precision instruments unless you get 
into lab instrumentation which costs many, many dollars.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2016 6:59 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>
> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy with
> the SWR reading between it and the K3
>
> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>
> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly closely
> but about a level of 1 below.  example
> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on
>

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Nov  4 19:49:33 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 19:49:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
In-Reply-To: <001f01d236a8$9bc4d760$d34e8620$@earthlink.net>
References: <000f01d236a0$98061b50$c81251f0$@earthlink.net>
	<1478269358.3047.10.camel@arabica>
	<001f01d236a8$9bc4d760$d34e8620$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E71F8818-AAE0-4A45-9876-410593AC259F@widomaker.com>

Set all to 38400. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Thomas Beltran <tbeltran at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello John and thanks.  Should I figure out what the baud rate of the kx3 is
> (since that works) and then set the kxpa100 to match?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
> Pitz
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 7:23 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 RS-232 problem
> 
> It is likely a RS232 speed issue like Dick Dievendorff said.  Something else
> you may want to do is change the KX3 baud rate to match the KXPA100.  The
> KXPA100 doesn't care what the baud rate of the KX3 is and will auto detect
> it.  This way you will be able to seamlessly use the
> KX3 by itself if for some reason you don't want or need the amp.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 2016-11-04 at 06:37 -0700, Thomas Beltran wrote:
>> 
>> I have read some emails concerning the RS-232 connector on the 
>> KXPA100's back panel not working with software applications that need 
>> the rig's data, but I did not see any resolution.  In my case, I just 
>> set up a ciro mazzoni midi loop.  This loop will follow the radio's 
>> frequency, getting data from the rig.  Unfortunately, the loop's 
>> control box only works automatically when the the RS-232 connector 
>> from the control box is hooked directly to the KX3's side panel, 
>> meaning I can only run 10 watts.  BTW, there is a slight delay in 
>> setting the frequency, but loop works pretty nicely.  However, it will not
> work when plugged into the RS-232 connector on the KXPA100's back
>> panel.    If it makes any difference, the loop control box uses a DB9, so
> I
>> am using the KXSER (3.5mm to DB9-F) Cable.  Hopefully, someone on this 
>> list has not only encountered this problem but has a remedy.  Thanks in
> advance.
>> Tom W2CRN
>> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Nov  4 20:09:45 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 17:09:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
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On 11/4/2016 3:59 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>
> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy with
> the SWR reading between it and the K3
>
> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>
> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly closely
> but about a level of 1 below.  example
> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on
>
> Note that this is done with the KAT3  bypassed of course.
>
> it made me wonder which is correct.   so I put in a meter.   old but
> faithfull KW electronics meter seems to track much closer to the P3's
> reading  which makes sense since the chances that my dipole would have a
> wide are at a solid 1:1 match before climbing as I move away from
> resonance  makes me wonder if the K3's SWR readings are out of
> calibration and if this can be adjusted.     my concern is that I may be
> excepting the SWR from the KAT3  when it may be in fact a little too
> high for the amps safety.
>
> The power readings from both seems to be quite close.
>
> Any thoughts?

Well, as an over-thinker who regularly got advice from his Troopers to 
"Stop picking fly poop** out of the pepper," I don't think you have a 
problem.  I think I understand there's no "antenna tuner" in your 
circuit, a little confusing toward the end.

First off, you're not likely to hurt an Elecraft radio with high SWR, 
and none of what you mentioned is actually anywhere near "high."
Secondly, none of the "SWR measuring instruments" you or I have are 
overly accurate.  I've got 5, of various provenance -- into a Bird 
Termaline, they all differ by as much as 0.5 to 0.9 ... and they vary by 
frequency.  Sounds to me like you have a well matched antenna.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

**they used a synonym for "fly poop."

From k6crcus at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 21:24:46 2016
From: k6crcus at gmail.com (Randy Cook)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 18:24:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Elecraft BL2 for sale
Message-ID: <49B04D2E-804B-4103-897D-C7956E699EE0@gmail.com>

BL2 Balun, 1:1 or 4:1 switchable Works fine, assembled two years ago, but never used. Test and work as expected.

$19 + $5 First Class mail in US
Pse respond directly

73
Randy Cook - K6CRC
k6crcus at gmail.com






From k6crcus at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 21:41:55 2016
From: k6crcus at gmail.com (Randy Cook)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 18:41:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: OT: Elecraft BL2 SOLD
References: <49B04D2E-804B-4103-897D-C7956E699EE0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E081732F-4EA5-4DAE-90D0-BF17C6B6895D@gmail.com>

You all are quick! 

73
Randy Cook - K6CRC
k6crcus at gmail.com




From ron at cobi.biz  Fri Nov  4 22:43:56 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 19:43:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>

How much coax is between the K3 and P3 monitor? Only a few feet will create
a growing error as the SWR increases, since the standing waves on the
coaxial line produce different readings at different points along the line.

If you want to compare the SWR meters in the K3 and P3, be sure the P3
sensor is mounted directly on the K3 without a length of coax in between.
Even so, the K3 SWR sensor will be "looking" at the P3 sensor through the
KAT3. Although it is bypassed, the older KAT3 ATUs still routed RF through
them on its way to the K3 rear-panel ANT connector. 

Even so, as Fred pointed out, there will be differences since SWR meters are
no "precision" devices because they don't have to be. The K3 is quite happy
at load SWRs up to 2 or 2.5:1 and even above that the amplifier will protect
itself.

73, Ron AC7AC


On 11/4/2016 6:59 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>
> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy 
> with the SWR reading between it and the K3
>
> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>
> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly 
> closely but about a level of 1 below.  example
> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on
>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 00:10:55 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 06:10:55 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
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	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>
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I have always understood that the SWR on a line will be almost the same 
wherever it is measured (it will increase slightly as you approach the 
load due to losses). It is the impedance of the load as transformed by 
the line that changes.

One thing that I've noticed is that SWR meters often differ when the SWR 
is low, because the amount of reflected power is very small, and diodes 
are often nonlinear dealing with small signals. The difference between 
an SWR of 1.1:1 and 1.2:1 is a very tiny amount of reflacted power.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 5 Nov 2016 04:43, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> How much coax is between the K3 and P3 monitor? Only a few feet will create
> a growing error as the SWR increases, since the standing waves on the
> coaxial line produce different readings at different points along the line.
>
> If you want to compare the SWR meters in the K3 and P3, be sure the P3
> sensor is mounted directly on the K3 without a length of coax in between.
> Even so, the K3 SWR sensor will be "looking" at the P3 sensor through the
> KAT3. Although it is bypassed, the older KAT3 ATUs still routed RF through
> them on its way to the K3 rear-panel ANT connector.
>
> Even so, as Fred pointed out, there will be differences since SWR meters are
> no "precision" devices because they don't have to be. The K3 is quite happy
> at load SWRs up to 2 or 2.5:1 and even above that the amplifier will protect
> itself.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>
> On 11/4/2016 6:59 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>>
>> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy
>> with the SWR reading between it and the K3
>>
>> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
>> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>>
>> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
>> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
>> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly
>> closely but about a level of 1 below.  example
>> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
>> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
>> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on

From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  5 01:52:15 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 22:52:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
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	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>
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It also depends on the line loss per unit length.  A high-loss feedline 
will be more forgiving as measured, but less energy is transferred to 
the load.  If a line is very low-loss per length, you can tune out the 
reactance or mismatch (by transformation or direct compensation) without 
losing much energy.  High loss feedline just burns up the energy in the 
feedline and the load can't radiate very much.  In this case, a good SWR 
"match" won't help get a lot of signal on the air.  This is one reason 
that source-end SWR isn't a good measure of radiation efficiency (not 
considering the actual antenna).  I can get 1:1 on a good 50 ohm load, 
just like anyone else, and no one can hear my 1kW transmitter.

The SWR varies along the length of all feedlines, but at low SWRs it 
doesn't make much difference on energy transferred from source to the 
load.  In most cases 2:1 is perfectly acceptable to the transmitter's 
protection circuitry.

Vic is also correct about diodes; their I-V curve is nonlinear. Ar low 
power levels, this can matter a lot on precision of the SWR measurement.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 11/4/2016 9:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> I have always understood that the SWR on a line will be almost the 
> same wherever it is measured (it will increase slightly as you 
> approach the load due to losses). It is the impedance of the load as 
> transformed by the line that changes.
>
> One thing that I've noticed is that SWR meters often differ when the 
> SWR is low, because the amount of reflected power is very small, and 
> diodes are often nonlinear dealing with small signals. The difference 
> between an SWR of 1.1:1 and 1.2:1 is a very tiny amount of reflacted 
> power.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 5 Nov 2016 04:43, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> How much coax is between the K3 and P3 monitor? Only a few feet will 
>> create
>> a growing error as the SWR increases, since the standing waves on the
>> coaxial line produce different readings at different points along the 
>> line.
>>
>> If you want to compare the SWR meters in the K3 and P3, be sure the P3
>> sensor is mounted directly on the K3 without a length of coax in 
>> between.
>> Even so, the K3 SWR sensor will be "looking" at the P3 sensor through 
>> the
>> KAT3. Although it is bypassed, the older KAT3 ATUs still routed RF 
>> through
>> them on its way to the K3 rear-panel ANT connector.
>>
>> Even so, as Fred pointed out, there will be differences since SWR 
>> meters are
>> no "precision" devices because they don't have to be. The K3 is quite 
>> happy
>> at load SWRs up to 2 or 2.5:1 and even above that the amplifier will 
>> protect
>> itself.
>>
>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/2016 6:59 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy
>>> with the SWR reading between it and the K3
>>>
>>> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
>>> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>>>
>>> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
>>> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
>>> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly
>>> closely but about a level of 1 below.  example
>>> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
>>> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
>>> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on
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From n1al at sonic.net  Sat Nov  5 02:03:02 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 23:03:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>

The SWR is the same anywhere on the feedline, assuming the loss is low. 
If changing the feedline length a few feet causes a significant change 
in SWR reading, then either the directional coupler in the SWR meter 
isn't doing a good job, or (more likely) there is feedline radiation. 
In the latter case, the feedline is effectively part of the antenna; 
that's why changing the length changes the SWR.

Feedline radiation is more common than most people think.  See the 
article in November QST.

Alan N1AL


On 11/04/2016 10:52 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote:
> It also depends on the line loss per unit length.  A high-loss feedline
> will be more forgiving as measured, but less energy is transferred to
> the load.  If a line is very low-loss per length, you can tune out the
> reactance or mismatch (by transformation or direct compensation) without
> losing much energy.  High loss feedline just burns up the energy in the
> feedline and the load can't radiate very much.  In this case, a good SWR
> "match" won't help get a lot of signal on the air.  This is one reason
> that source-end SWR isn't a good measure of radiation efficiency (not
> considering the actual antenna).  I can get 1:1 on a good 50 ohm load,
> just like anyone else, and no one can hear my 1kW transmitter.
>
> The SWR varies along the length of all feedlines, but at low SWRs it
> doesn't make much difference on energy transferred from source to the
> load.  In most cases 2:1 is perfectly acceptable to the transmitter's
> protection circuitry.
>
> Vic is also correct about diodes; their I-V curve is nonlinear. Ar low
> power levels, this can matter a lot on precision of the SWR measurement.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 11/4/2016 9:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> I have always understood that the SWR on a line will be almost the
>> same wherever it is measured (it will increase slightly as you
>> approach the load due to losses). It is the impedance of the load as
>> transformed by the line that changes.
>>
>> One thing that I've noticed is that SWR meters often differ when the
>> SWR is low, because the amount of reflected power is very small, and
>> diodes are often nonlinear dealing with small signals. The difference
>> between an SWR of 1.1:1 and 1.2:1 is a very tiny amount of reflacted
>> power.
>>
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>
>> On 5 Nov 2016 04:43, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>> How much coax is between the K3 and P3 monitor? Only a few feet will
>>> create
>>> a growing error as the SWR increases, since the standing waves on the
>>> coaxial line produce different readings at different points along the
>>> line.
>>>
>>> If you want to compare the SWR meters in the K3 and P3, be sure the P3
>>> sensor is mounted directly on the K3 without a length of coax in
>>> between.
>>> Even so, the K3 SWR sensor will be "looking" at the P3 sensor through
>>> the
>>> KAT3. Although it is bypassed, the older KAT3 ATUs still routed RF
>>> through
>>> them on its way to the K3 rear-panel ANT connector.
>>>
>>> Even so, as Fred pointed out, there will be differences since SWR
>>> meters are
>>> no "precision" devices because they don't have to be. The K3 is quite
>>> happy
>>> at load SWRs up to 2 or 2.5:1 and even above that the amplifier will
>>> protect
>>> itself.
>>>
>>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2016 6:59 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy
>>>> with the SWR reading between it and the K3
>>>>
>>>> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
>>>> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
>>>> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
>>>> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly
>>>> closely but about a level of 1 below.  example
>>>> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
>>>> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
>>>> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Sat Nov  5 06:38:21 2016
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 06:38:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon  and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
Message-ID: <581db69d.5777.52c3d940.4666b981@nexicom.net>


 Thanks  for replies


I will borrow a Bird meter to see what it say  but I think in this 
case the error is in the K3 and not the P3.      as one mentioned a 
reading of 1:1,1 vers 1:1,2 is neglegable  but this is a error by a 
whole number   1:1 vs 1:2

My concern is that if its really a 1:3.5  and it thinks its a 1:2.5  
is the K3 still doing its job for protection  or is this protection 
sensed elswhere.

The coax between the K3 and the sensor is about a foot  so very close. 
 but as some said it should not be a big difference.
and I understand that the K3 is probably one of the most tolerant rigs 
out there for SWR.    My concern is when I am using an antenna say a 
doublet  where the tuner is not able to get it to a perfect match.  
say only to a 2:1 where if the K3s SWR internally is misreading it and 
its really a 3:1  that is getting  a little out of its safe zone and 
it should start to roll the power back   or will it?  if its reading 
lower than what it really is it may not roll the power back as early 
as it should.



David Moes
VE3SD



On Friday 04/11/2016 at 6:59 pm, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>
> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy
> with the SWR reading between it and the K3
>
> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>
> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly
> closely but about a level of 1 below.  example
> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on
>
> Note that this is done with the KAT3  bypassed of course.
>
> it made me wonder which is correct.   so I put in a meter.   old but
> faithfull KW electronics meter seems to track much closer to the P3's
> reading  which makes sense since the chances that my dipole would have
> a wide are at a solid 1:1 match before climbing as I move away from
> resonance  makes me wonder if the K3's SWR readings are out of
> calibration and if this can be adjusted.     my concern is that I may
> be excepting the SWR from the KAT3  when it may be in fact a little
> too high for the amps safety.
>
> The power readings from both seems to be quite close.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
> David Moes
> VE3SD
>
>
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From ve3iay at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 08:23:26 2016
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 08:23:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHnju2UtVxgFHwY0ZCxQGFDVWewkFcm6xGdvF3S14y=BaQ@mail.gmail.com>

You are talking about SWR as if it were something real and physical that
could damage the transmitter's finals.  It's not - it's just a mathematical
construct that makes it easier to calculate various other quantities (such
as loss in the transmission line). The real physical quantities that can
damage the finals are currents and voltages.

The SWR reading on an SWR meter is back-calculated from currents and
voltages measured, for example, in an SWR bridge circuit. An analog SWR
meter is just a milliammeter with an unusual scale - the scale does the
calculation for you (like a nomograph). A digital meter does the
calculation using a formula.

The protective circuitry does not measure SWR directly - it measures
currents and voltages, and it can measure them close to the finals, not at
the end of some indeterminate length of transmission line. There is no need
for the protective circuitry to calculate an SWR from those measurements -
all it needs to know is the measured voltage at which it needs to act to
limit the voltages and currents inside the finals to safe levels.The
calculated SWR that is displayed on the front panel is there to keep the
operator happy, not because the circuitry itself needs to know it.

The SWR at which the foldback occurs in the finals actually varies with
output power. At very low output power, the SWR can be very high without
causing damage, because the currents and voltages are still low, so the
foldback circuit does not need to operate just because the SWR is high. It
only needs to operate when the voltages or currents start to threaten the
finals.

This being the case, any errors in the SWR calculation based on the
measured voltages and currents at various locations are basically
irrelevant to the issue of protection of the finals, regardless of their
origin.

73,
Rich VE3KI

From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Sat Nov  5 08:32:50 2016
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 08:32:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others
Message-ID: <6A45697B-A545-4193-8347-C968667D7940@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2, K3, whatever? 
Does your K2 need a tuneup?

I build and service them all!

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 

Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure --  are at
http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ 

In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago.

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-478-0736 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701


From n9vo at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  5 08:35:56 2016
From: n9vo at hotmail.com (Jim Vohland)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 12:35:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ill
Message-ID: <CY1PR20MB0233D82C5739854C2C6640BA81A50@CY1PR20MB0233.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Well it appears my k3 has caught an early cold. Reconnected yesterday morning and noticed very little output power. Tested into dummy load. Voltage checked good at rig. Tried tx calibration. Passes 5 watt fine but fails on 50 watt. Sent test result report to the left coast and I'll be sending back to the mothership for repair and updates necessary. First trip back. I'll miss it.
Sent from my iPad

From pincon at erols.com  Sat Nov  5 11:34:39 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 beta to production ??
Message-ID: <003601d2377a$24106e00$6c314a00$@erols.com>

Any projection as to when the latest Beta software that adds AM to the KX2
will become the standard production version?

73, Charlie k3ICH






From johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com  Sat Nov  5 11:51:10 2016
From: johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com (John)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 beta to production ??
In-Reply-To: <003601d2377a$24106e00$6c314a00$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <7D.66.30921.55FFD185@cdptpa-omsmta02>

Hi Charlie. I just received my KX2 last Friday and it has AM.

John K2JHU...
Peace Through Strength 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:35 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 beta to production ??

Any projection as to when the latest Beta software that adds AM to the KX2
will become the standard production version?

73, Charlie k3ICH





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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov  5 12:06:01 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 09:06:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 beta to production ??
In-Reply-To: <7D.66.30921.55FFD185@cdptpa-omsmta02>
References: <7D.66.30921.55FFD185@cdptpa-omsmta02>
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Version 2.69 was released on 10/31. That adds AM.

http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2_software.htm <http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2_software.htm>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 8:51 AM, John <johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Charlie. I just received my KX2 last Friday and it has AM.
> 
> John K2JHU...
> Peace Through Strength 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Charlie T, K3ICH
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:35 AM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 beta to production ??
> 
> Any projection as to when the latest Beta software that adds AM to the KX2
> will become the standard production version?
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ae5x at juno.com  Sat Nov  5 12:35:02 2016
From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:35:02 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX2 beta to production ??
Message-ID: <20161105.113502.12243.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

That wasn't his question.

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
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Version 2.69 was released on 10/31. That adds AM.

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From richard at lamont.me.uk  Sat Nov  5 12:38:27 2016
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:38:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio questions
Message-ID: <befcf1dc-b2fe-37f6-ee7a-ee0010cc9d59@lamont.me.uk>

A few questions about the K3S internal audio interface:

1. Is the internal connection between the USB audio interface and the
2nd IF analogue or digital? If digital, how is the sample rate
conversion implemented?

2. It seems to support sampling rates of 32000, 44100 and 48000 Hz, but
not higher or lower values. Is this correct?

3. What determines the clock frequency for this sampling? Is it a
free-running crystal? If so, what is its frequency tolerance? Or is it
locked to the main TXCO and/or external 10 MHz reference?

4. When listening to SSB audio at S9+, with slow AGC, the output level
via this interface seems to be -22 dBFS true peak. Why is it throwing
away three bits of resolution? Or is this amount of headroom
necessary/useful?

TIA.

-- 
Richard Lamont G4DYA
<richard at lamont.me.uk>

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov  5 12:53:01 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 09:53:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 beta to production ??
In-Reply-To: <20161105.113502.12243.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20161105.113502.12243.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <462B322F-03A1-4335-AD8E-8793FC8E0CA8@wunderwood.org>

Oh, sorry. Version 2.69 is still beta.

But as we?ve observed before, Elecraft does not pre-announce dates for firmware updates.

wunder
K6WRU
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> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:35 AM, ae5x at juno.com wrote:
> 
> That wasn't his question.
> 
> John AE5X
> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
> ______________________
> Version 2.69 was released on 10/31. That adds AM.
> 
> wunder
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Nov  5 13:03:21 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 10:03:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>
	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <002701d23786$83d0cbd0$8b726370$@biz>

Quite so, Alan and Matt; the SWR *IS* the same all along the line, but it is
still good practice to compare two couplers at the same place along the
transmission line. 

Since the outside of the coax shield is exposed to the RF field from the
antenna, it's hard to imagine a situation where there are no RF currents
flowing on the outside of the feed line unless specific measures are taken
to suppress them.

Also, any transmission line that is not terminated exactly in its
characteristic impedance will act as an impedance transformer presenting a
different impedance to any device along its length depending upon the
frequency and the line's length. To ensure two couplers being compared are
faced with the same impedance, I would compare them connected together at
the same place. Although, as Alan noted, a well-designed coupler should show
the same SWR anywhere along the line, putting them together eliminates
another variable. 

73, Ron AC7AC



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan
Bloom
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 11:03 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch

The SWR is the same anywhere on the feedline, assuming the loss is low. 
If changing the feedline length a few feet causes a significant change in
SWR reading, then either the directional coupler in the SWR meter isn't
doing a good job, or (more likely) there is feedline radiation. 
In the latter case, the feedline is effectively part of the antenna; that's
why changing the length changes the SWR.

Feedline radiation is more common than most people think.  See the article
in November QST.

Alan N1AL


On 11/04/2016 10:52 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote:
> It also depends on the line loss per unit length.  A high-loss 
> feedline will be more forgiving as measured, but less energy is 
> transferred to the load.  If a line is very low-loss per length, you 
> can tune out the reactance or mismatch (by transformation or direct 
> compensation) without losing much energy.  High loss feedline just 
> burns up the energy in the feedline and the load can't radiate very 
> much.  In this case, a good SWR "match" won't help get a lot of signal 
> on the air.  This is one reason that source-end SWR isn't a good 
> measure of radiation efficiency (not considering the actual antenna).  
> I can get 1:1 on a good 50 ohm load, just like anyone else, and no one can
hear my 1kW transmitter.
>
> The SWR varies along the length of all feedlines, but at low SWRs it 
> doesn't make much difference on energy transferred from source to the 
> load.  In most cases 2:1 is perfectly acceptable to the transmitter's 
> protection circuitry.
>
> Vic is also correct about diodes; their I-V curve is nonlinear. Ar low 
> power levels, this can matter a lot on precision of the SWR measurement.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 11/4/2016 9:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> I have always understood that the SWR on a line will be almost the 
>> same wherever it is measured (it will increase slightly as you 
>> approach the load due to losses). It is the impedance of the load as 
>> transformed by the line that changes.
>>
>> One thing that I've noticed is that SWR meters often differ when the 
>> SWR is low, because the amount of reflected power is very small, and 
>> diodes are often nonlinear dealing with small signals. The difference 
>> between an SWR of 1.1:1 and 1.2:1 is a very tiny amount of reflacted 
>> power.
>>
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>
>> On 5 Nov 2016 04:43, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>> How much coax is between the K3 and P3 monitor? Only a few feet will 
>>> create a growing error as the SWR increases, since the standing 
>>> waves on the coaxial line produce different readings at different 
>>> points along the line.
>>>
>>> If you want to compare the SWR meters in the K3 and P3, be sure the 
>>> P3 sensor is mounted directly on the K3 without a length of coax in 
>>> between.
>>> Even so, the K3 SWR sensor will be "looking" at the P3 sensor 
>>> through the KAT3. Although it is bypassed, the older KAT3 ATUs still 
>>> routed RF through them on its way to the K3 rear-panel ANT 
>>> connector.
>>>
>>> Even so, as Fred pointed out, there will be differences since SWR 
>>> meters are no "precision" devices because they don't have to be. The 
>>> K3 is quite happy at load SWRs up to 2 or 2.5:1 and even above that 
>>> the amplifier will protect itself.
>>>
>>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2016 6:59 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recently installed the TX monitor in my P3 and have a discrepancy 
>>>> with the SWR reading between it and the K3
>>>>
>>>> with a dummy load connected the P3 and K3 read 1.12 and 1.0
>>>> respectively   a level of error that is to me quite acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> however  when connected to an antenna  I will see the SWR on the K3
>>>> often close to 1:1   when the P3 will show up to a 1:2.   as the SWR
>>>> climbs above 1:2 on the P3  the K3 reading will track it fairly 
>>>> closely but about a level of 1 below.  example
>>>> K3 1:1  P3 1:2,
>>>> K3 1:1.5  P3 1:2.5
>>>> K3 1:2   P3 1:3   and so on
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  5 13:23:49 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 10:23:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio questions
In-Reply-To: <befcf1dc-b2fe-37f6-ee7a-ee0010cc9d59@lamont.me.uk>
References: <befcf1dc-b2fe-37f6-ee7a-ee0010cc9d59@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <3eb9f6fe-3e5e-d6b8-3859-3bc672f97a08@roadrunner.com>

Hi Richard,

Some answers, below.  --matt


On 11/5/2016 9:38 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> A few questions about the K3S internal audio interface:
>
> 1. Is the internal connection between the USB audio interface and the
> 2nd IF analogue or digital? If digital, how is the sample rate
> conversion implemented?

The KIO3B uses a codec (digital on its USB side, analog one the audio 
side (line in/out).  The codec's USB D+/- nets are connected to a USB hub.


>
> 2. It seems to support sampling rates of 32000, 44100 and 48000 Hz, but
> not higher or lower values. Is this correct?

These are the sample rates the codec supports.  Yes.

>
> 3. What determines the clock frequency for this sampling? Is it a
> free-running crystal? If so, what is its frequency tolerance? Or is it
> locked to the main TXCO and/or external 10 MHz reference?

The clock is an XO: 12 MHz, +/- 100 ppm as rated.  The XO's output is 
buffered and feeds the codec.

>
> 4. When listening to SSB audio at S9+, with slow AGC, the output level
> via this interface seems to be -22 dBFS true peak. Why is it throwing
> away three bits of resolution? Or is this amount of headroom
> necessary/useful?

You can find a copy of the data sheet here: 
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=PCM2901E%2F2K

73,
matt W6NIA

>
> TIA.
>

-- 
Always store beer in a dark place.  - R. Heinlein

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
[Shiraz]


From p.vano at cpce.net  Sat Nov  5 13:49:25 2016
From: p.vano at cpce.net (VANO Peter)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 18:49:25 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 badpass issue
Message-ID: <548e6950-a173-ff97-ee91-7be464ab51e7@cpce.net>

Hi Gang,

recently I have experienced an irritating phenomenon in SSB mode. The 
situation for example: SSB is set to 2,4 khz with central point 1,5 kHz. 
Mode change or band change and return back makes shift  this central 
point to 1,6 kHz. Is there any explation?

TNX and 73

Peter, OM7VV


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sat Nov  5 14:13:57 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:13:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio questions
In-Reply-To: <3eb9f6fe-3e5e-d6b8-3859-3bc672f97a08@roadrunner.com>
References: <befcf1dc-b2fe-37f6-ee7a-ee0010cc9d59@lamont.me.uk>
	<3eb9f6fe-3e5e-d6b8-3859-3bc672f97a08@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <1478369637189-7623848.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

On item 4:

The audio level seen by, say a recording program on the PC depends on the
LINE OUT setting on the K3. I left that as the default, 10, and used the
Windows mixer to adjust the level. My audio is now reading  approximately
-6dB below clipping which is probably a little high, but I have set my AGC
SLP to the flattest possible setting (highest number). If you prefer a
considerable slope on the AGC curve above threshold, you will need a lower
LINE OUT setting. Remember that even when throwing away 3 bits, you still
have far more resolution than you can use with an HF receiver.

AB2TC - Knut


Matt Zilmer-3 wrote
> Hi Richard,
> 
> Some answers, below.  --matt
> 
> 
> On 11/5/2016 9:38 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>> A few questions about the K3S internal audio interface:
>>
>> 1. Is the internal connection between the USB audio interface and the
>> 2nd IF analogue or digital? If digital, how is the sample rate
>> conversion implemented?
> 
> The KIO3B uses a codec (digital on its USB side, analog one the audio 
> side (line in/out).  The codec's USB D+/- nets are connected to a USB hub.
> 
> 
>>
>> 2. It seems to support sampling rates of 32000, 44100 and 48000 Hz, but
>> not higher or lower values. Is this correct?
> 
> These are the sample rates the codec supports.  Yes.
> 
>>
>> 3. What determines the clock frequency for this sampling? Is it a
>> free-running crystal? If so, what is its frequency tolerance? Or is it
>> locked to the main TXCO and/or external 10 MHz reference?
> 
> The clock is an XO: 12 MHz, +/- 100 ppm as rated.  The XO's output is 
> buffered and feeds the codec.
> 
>>
>> 4. When listening to SSB audio at S9+, with slow AGC, the output level
>> via this interface seems to be -22 dBFS true peak. Why is it throwing
>> away three bits of resolution? Or is this amount of headroom
>> necessary/useful?
> 
> You can find a copy of the data sheet here: 
> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=PCM2901E%2F2K
> 
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
> 
>>
>> TIA.
>>
> 
> -- 
> Always store beer in a dark place.  - R. Heinlein
> 
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> [Shiraz]
> <snip>





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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Nov  5 15:09:18 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 12:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>
	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>
	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>
	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Yes, and that is exactly the right way to understand it -- when an 
antenna is unbalanced, regardless of the reason for the imbalance, the 
feedline becomes part of the antenna unless it is choked. Indeed, that's 
the major reason to use a good choke -- to prevent noise picked up on 
the outside of the coax from coupling to the antenna and from there to 
the radio (by coming down the inside of the coax). The choke also 
prevents RF current from our transmitter from flowing down the outside 
of the coax to radiate into home entertainment equipment, or even onto 
the power wiring.

Many hams think that using 2-wire line eliminates the possibility of 
imbalance, and even call it "balanced line" and feed it with a 
"balanced" tuner. Nothing could be further from the truth -- many 
(most?) antennas, especially wire antennas, are unbalanced by their 
surroundings, and that imbalance causes current on the two wires to be 
unequal. The difference between the two currents is a "common mode" 
current, it radiates just like the current on the outside of coax, and 
by reciprocity, receives noise and couples it to the radio as a 
differential signal, just like with coax.

A major shortcoming of antennas fed with open wire line is that it is 
not practical to choke them to kill that common mode current.

Another important point. The SWR on a line is determined entirely by the 
match between the line and the load -- when we're transmitting, that's 
the antenna, and when we're receiving, it's the receiver. And yes, it's 
same everywhere along the line as long as the line is uniform -- that 
is, the same impedance, and with no stubs or matching networks.

73, Jim K9YC

On Fri,11/4/2016 11:03 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> The SWR is the same anywhere on the feedline, assuming the loss is 
> low. If changing the feedline length a few feet causes a significant 
> change in SWR reading, then either the directional coupler in the SWR 
> meter isn't doing a good job, or (more likely) there is feedline 
> radiation. In the latter case, the feedline is effectively part of the 
> antenna; that's why changing the length changes the SWR. 



From tom.parish at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 15:14:05 2016
From: tom.parish at gmail.com (Tom Parish)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 14:14:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie question - re: kx2 with amp
Message-ID: <D249A5C0-C44D-4D88-AFB8-67F6353CA94B@gmail.com>

I am waiting for my kx2 to arrive. I  am delighted at the energetic and thoughtful responses in this group.

While waiting I was wondering - is there and option to use the kxa10 100 watt amp in the future with the kx2 if I wanted too? 

If so, how much battery power would the kxa10 and optional ATU require for a portable hike type operation? I realize it's more weight, I am just curious to explore what's possible. 

Thank you,
Tom KG5LBP


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From johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com  Sat Nov  5 15:33:15 2016
From: johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com (John)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 15:33:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie question - re: kx2 with amp
In-Reply-To: <D249A5C0-C44D-4D88-AFB8-67F6353CA94B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3.1C.30921.2633E185@cdptpa-omsmta02>

Congratulations Tom on your ordering the KX2. You will love. I have had mine
1 week and can't say enough about it. 

John K2JHU...
Peace Through Strength 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Parish
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:14 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie question - re: kx2 with amp

I am waiting for my kx2 to arrive. I  am delighted at the energetic and
thoughtful responses in this group.

While waiting I was wondering - is there and option to use the kxa10 100
watt amp in the future with the kx2 if I wanted too? 

If so, how much battery power would the kxa10 and optional ATU require for a
portable hike type operation? I realize it's more weight, I am just curious
to explore what's possible. 

Thank you,
Tom KG5LBP


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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Nov  5 15:57:18 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 12:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
	<f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>

...The SWR on a line is determined entirely by the match between the line
and the load -- when we're transmitting, that's the antenna, and when we're
receiving, it's the receiver. And yes, it's same everywhere along the line
as long as the line is uniform -- that is, the same impedance, and with no
stubs or matching networks.

73, Jim K9YC

And the losses are low. Losses go up with increased SWR on a given
transmission line and losses reduce the SWR measured at the load. 

(I neglected to make that point in my last post and couple of sharp-eyed
readers caught it.)

73, Ron AC7AC




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov  5 16:17:47 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 13:17:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie question - re: kx2 with amp
In-Reply-To: <D249A5C0-C44D-4D88-AFB8-67F6353CA94B@gmail.com>
References: <D249A5C0-C44D-4D88-AFB8-67F6353CA94B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11F6AA29-E4D0-4AE8-B2D4-EAF30C69C3CD@wunderwood.org>

The KXPA100 should work fine with your KX2.

At 13.8 V, the KXPA100 typically uses 20 Amps. Add that to the 1 or 2 Amps needed by the KX2.

http://www.elecraft.com/KXPA100/kxpa100.htm <http://www.elecraft.com/KXPA100/kxpa100.htm>
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX2%20FAQ%20v-1-1a.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX2%20FAQ%20v-1-1a.pdf>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Tom Parish <tom.parish at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am waiting for my kx2 to arrive. I  am delighted at the energetic and thoughtful responses in this group.
> 
> While waiting I was wondering - is there and option to use the kxa10 100 watt amp in the future with the kx2 if I wanted too? 
> 
> If so, how much battery power would the kxa10 and optional ATU require for a portable hike type operation? I realize it's more weight, I am just curious to explore what's possible. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Tom KG5LBP
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From richard at lamont.me.uk  Sat Nov  5 16:24:02 2016
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 20:24:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio questions
In-Reply-To: <1478369637189-7623848.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <befcf1dc-b2fe-37f6-ee7a-ee0010cc9d59@lamont.me.uk>
	<3eb9f6fe-3e5e-d6b8-3859-3bc672f97a08@roadrunner.com>
	<1478369637189-7623848.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9d10b83d-3608-ed7d-3db6-12d71595d54d@lamont.me.uk>

On 05/11/16 18:13, ab2tc wrote:
[
>>> 4. When listening to SSB audio at S9+, with slow AGC, the output level
>>> via this interface seems to be -22 dBFS true peak. Why is it throwing
>>> away three bits of resolution? Or is this amount of headroom
>>> necessary/useful?

> The audio level seen by, say a recording program on the PC depends on the
> LINE OUT setting on the K3. I left that as the default, 10, and used the
> Windows mixer to adjust the level. My audio is now reading  approximately
> -6dB below clipping which is probably a little high, but I have set my AGC
> SLP to the flattest possible setting (highest number). If you prefer a
> considerable slope on the AGC curve above threshold, you will need a lower
> LINE OUT setting. Remember that even when throwing away 3 bits, you still
> have far more resolution than you can use with an HF receiver.

Consider JT65+JT9. There might be 30 or more signals within a 4 kHz
band, with widely varying levels. If they're all at the same level, then
each signal will be about 30 dB below the sum of the signals. If the
signal you want is 30 dB weaker than the others, then it will be 60 dB
below the sum.

The data sheet shows the ADC has an SNR of 89 dB and THD+N of 0.01%
(i.e. -80 dB).

If the sum of the signals is peaking to -22 dBFS true peak, than that
weak JT65/JT9 signal is going to be at -82 dBFS - close to the ADC noise
floor. Maybe getting at least some of those three bits back could make
quite a difference.


-- 
Richard Lamont G4DYA
<richard at lamont.me.uk>

From n7rjn at nobis.net  Sat Nov  5 17:03:43 2016
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 14:03:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 badpass issue
In-Reply-To: <548e6950-a173-ff97-ee91-7be464ab51e7@cpce.net>
References: <548e6950-a173-ff97-ee91-7be464ab51e7@cpce.net>
Message-ID: <DE0926B9-2838-432D-A643-ED4FCB583D0E@nobis.net>

You need to setup each band. The setup for each band is independent, and the K3 remembers the setup for each.

 
Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 10:49, VANO Peter <p.vano at cpce.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gang,
> 
> recently I have experienced an irritating phenomenon in SSB mode. The situation for example: SSB is set to 2,4 khz with central point 1,5 kHz. Mode change or band change and return back makes shift  this central point to 1,6 kHz. Is there any explation?
> 
> TNX and 73
> 
> Peter, OM7VV
> 
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From keith.hutt at virgin.net  Sat Nov  5 17:21:09 2016
From: keith.hutt at virgin.net (Keith Hutt)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 21:21:09 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie question - re: kx2 with amp
In-Reply-To: <D249A5C0-C44D-4D88-AFB8-67F6353CA94B@gmail.com>
References: <D249A5C0-C44D-4D88-AFB8-67F6353CA94B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C4105D81D174533B32F3619B3597BA3@KeithPC>

Hi

The KXPA 100 works fine with the KX2, though i normally run mine with the 
KX3

Regards

Keith G0TSH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tom Parish
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:14 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie question - re: kx2 with amp

I am waiting for my kx2 to arrive. I  am delighted at the energetic and 
thoughtful responses in this group.

While waiting I was wondering - is there and option to use the kxa10 100 
watt amp in the future with the kx2 if I wanted too?

If so, how much battery power would the kxa10 and optional ATU require for a 
portable hike type operation? I realize it's more weight, I am just curious 
to explore what's possible.

Thank you,
Tom KG5LBP


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From palle at oz1rh.com  Sat Nov  5 17:34:55 2016
From: palle at oz1rh.com (Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 22:34:55 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] TX DLY on SSB for sequencing VHF preamp
Message-ID: <CAOgtrSkxk2nqQiDMrh7xv_9StWaHW5Zn2S1uqEdcZw=m=2ivWA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a K3 with the K144XV 2M Internal transverter for 144 MHz and I want
to use a linear and an external mast mounted preamp for 144 MHz. This
preamp must be switched out of the transmission line before any TX power
goes to the antenna.

In the K3 manual the setting TX DLY adjusts the delay between keying the TX
and RF coming out. However the manual only describes this for CW. Does TX
DLY also apply in SSB or DATA? In other words when I use the Digital Voice
Recorder for calling CQ on SSB will the RF be delayed by the number of ms
specified in TX DLY? And does this delay occur at the HF output 1.8-50 MHz
and at the output from the Internal transverter for 144 MHz?

73, Palle, OZ1RH
www.oz1rh.com
OZ9EDR/OZ5W/OZ2RF/OZ1HQ contest teams
www.oz9edr.dk

From brianmo at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 18:01:12 2016
From: brianmo at yahoo.com (Brian Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 22:01:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Serial Port (RJ45) pinout
References: <357420803.1019534.1478383272403.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <357420803.1019534.1478383272403@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm trying to find documentation for the KIO3B Serial Port Pinout -- this is the RJ45 jack that is on the back panel. I've checked the K3S manual, and the KIO3B module installation documentation, but neither seem to show it. 

Can anyone point me to this documentation?
thanks,
Brian N9ADG


From lists at subich.com  Sat Nov  5 19:40:48 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 19:40:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Serial Port (RJ45) pinout
In-Reply-To: <357420803.1019534.1478383272403@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <357420803.1019534.1478383272403.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<357420803.1019534.1478383272403@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <18aa0c01-68a3-5827-a7bb-b9d3274d7688@subich.com>


Page 19 (lower right corner) of the K3S Owner's Manual.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/5/2016 6:01 PM, Brian Moran via Elecraft wrote:
> I'm trying to find documentation for the KIO3B Serial Port Pinout -- this is the RJ45 jack that is on the back panel. I've checked the K3S manual, and the KIO3B module installation documentation, but neither seem to show it.
>
> Can anyone point me to this documentation?
> thanks,
> Brian N9ADG
>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov  6 01:01:10 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 23:01:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <a7874426-3e48-0f0a-6842-301817b37bd7@coho.net>

Good Evening,

    The sun has been active this week.  So active it made a lot of 
noise.  However, after that calmed down signals were better than they 
had been in a while.  DX kept popping up like the local chanterelles.

    While clearing out an acre of hillside I flushed a grouse. That is 
not uncommon.  But, instead of flying into the nearby thicket of alder 
he perched on a limb.  For the next half hour he watched me improve his 
bit of property.  The bear berries will do nicely next year.  Once he 
was satisfied with my work he glided off.  The elk have already approved 
my work.

Remember the time change.  Local time stays the same (for most of you) 
while the UTC time changes.  If the bands are uncooperative there may be 
changes.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
      7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Nov  6 02:00:33 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 00:00:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>
	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>
	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>
	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
	<f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>
Message-ID: <523ea923-a99c-9329-ec3b-1b853b78785f@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,11/5/2016 12:57 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> ...The SWR on a line is determined entirely by the match between the line
> and the load -- when we're transmitting, that's the antenna, and when we're
> receiving, it's the receiver. And yes, it's same everywhere along the line
> as long as the line is uniform -- that is, the same impedance, and with no
> stubs or matching networks.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> And the losses are low. Losses go up with increased SWR on a given
> transmission line and losses reduce the SWR measured at the load.

Not correct. And how many of us measure SWR at the load?  It's up in the 
air!

73, Jim


From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 11:31:59 2016
From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 10:31:59 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 ON THE KX2
Message-ID: <CALpA8Wg8oSUCAB8-nwYiGyWR0Gkhn=L3tAeRoJR6LsGzhk_Lsg@mail.gmail.com>

How is it accomplished?

-- 
May You Live Long and Prosper....

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Nov  6 11:40:34 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 09:40:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>
	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>
	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>
	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
	<f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>
Message-ID: <11b65f7b-e7f4-a42d-9b77-cffecac2557e@triconet.org>

Line loss decreases the SWR measured at the source, not the load.

In this case, thinking in terms of return loss makes this thought experiment 
easier.  The line loss adds to the return loss of the load, increasing the input 
return loss by a factor of 2 X line loss (dB).  Higher return loss = better match.

While on this subject, let me introduce you to Dan, AC6LA's fabulous software 
and tutorials.  Before the death of my wife changed some priorities, I did a lot 
of beta testing for Dan after he was gentleman enough to ask permission to 
include ladderline data that I developed in his software.

For a discussion of increased loss due to SWR this is a must read: 
http://ac6la.com/swrloss.html

If you want to use a wonderful tool to help understand some of this, this 
(free!) one can't be beat: http://ac6la.com/tldetails1.html *

His Zplots tool is also useful, and free, but does require that you have some 
version of MS Excel.  If you use EZNEC, then I've found AutoEZ to be indispensable.

Wes  N7WS

* If you download and play with this tool, here are some starting values that 
are illustrative.

Set
Type = Belden 9913.
Freq = 125 MHz
R = 50
X = 0
R and X = At Load
Length = 100 feet

Results:
At the bottom of the frame click the "Return Loss"
Loss (total) = 1.5 dB (this is the matched line loss)
If you look at the "At Input" and "At Load" columns you can see that:
RL (true) is 61.238 dB and 58.238 dB respectively.  The input RL is exactly 3 dB 
greater than the load RL.  (2 X the line loss)

The true values are different from the 50 Ohm values.  This is because the line 
Zo isn't 50 Ohm as seen in the "True Zo" box. The "Plot |Zo|" and "Plot VF" 
buttons will open another screen where these values can be seen to vary with 
respect to frequency.

Return to the first screen and click Show SWR.  Change R to 1000. Note that the 
At Load SWR (50) = 20, exactly as expected. The input SWR is ~4.5.  showing that 
a moderately lossy line can have a profound effect with highly mismatched loads. 
In the loss column the total is 6.599, ~5.1 dB greater than the matched loss.
But selecting Show Return Loss again shows that the input is still 3 dB higher 
than at the load, they're just much smaller values.

If you can measure input SWR and want to know load SWR and you've characterized, 
or believe the manufacture's specifications for your matched line loss, you can 
convert the input SWR to RL, subtract 2 X matched line loss and derive the load 
RL.  Convert this back to SWR.  If you don't want to do the math, use Dan's tool 
and trial-and-error.




On 11/5/2016 12:57 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> And the losses are low. Losses go up with increased SWR on a given
> transmission line and losses reduce the SWR measured at the load.
>
> (I neglected to make that point in my last post and couple of sharp-eyed
> readers caught it.)
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sun Nov  6 11:48:00 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 09:48:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio questions
In-Reply-To: <9d10b83d-3608-ed7d-3db6-12d71595d54d@lamont.me.uk>
References: <befcf1dc-b2fe-37f6-ee7a-ee0010cc9d59@lamont.me.uk>
	<3eb9f6fe-3e5e-d6b8-3859-3bc672f97a08@roadrunner.com>
	<1478369637189-7623848.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<9d10b83d-3608-ed7d-3db6-12d71595d54d@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <1478450880477-7623862.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

You make a good point for some digital modes. But you should be able to make
up for most or all of these 3 bits by increasing the LINE OUT as it must
surely be before the codec ADC but probably not before the K3's DSP DAC.
It's a shame that they have to do it this way (back to back DAC/ADC, but
everybody else is doing the same). But by adjusting LINE OUT, the USB audio
interface should be no worse than the audio LINE OUT considering the
nonlinearity of the transformer in that path.

AB2TC - Knut



Richard Lamont wrote
> On 05/11/16 18:13, ab2tc wrote:
> [
>>>> 4. When listening to SSB audio at S9+, with slow AGC, the output level
>>>> via this interface seems to be -22 dBFS true peak. Why is it throwing
>>>> away three bits of resolution? Or is this amount of headroom
>>>> necessary/useful?
> 
>> The audio level seen by, say a recording program on the PC depends on the
>> LINE OUT setting on the K3. I left that as the default, 10, and used the
>> Windows mixer to adjust the level. My audio is now reading  approximately
>> -6dB below clipping which is probably a little high, but I have set my
>> AGC
>> SLP to the flattest possible setting (highest number). If you prefer a
>> considerable slope on the AGC curve above threshold, you will need a
>> lower
>> LINE OUT setting. Remember that even when throwing away 3 bits, you still
>> have far more resolution than you can use with an HF receiver.
> 
> Consider JT65+JT9. There might be 30 or more signals within a 4 kHz
> band, with widely varying levels. If they're all at the same level, then
> each signal will be about 30 dB below the sum of the signals. If the
> signal you want is 30 dB weaker than the others, then it will be 60 dB
> below the sum.
> 
> The data sheet shows the ADC has an SNR of 89 dB and THD+N of 0.01%
> (i.e. -80 dB).
> 
> If the sum of the signals is peaking to -22 dBFS true peak, than that
> weak JT65/JT9 signal is going to be at -82 dBFS - close to the ADC noise
> floor. Maybe getting at least some of those three bits back could make
> quite a difference.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Richard Lamont G4DYA
> &lt;

> richard at .me

> &gt;
> <snip>





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From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 12:17:28 2016
From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 09:17:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <72101C2A-4E3E-4B4E-8003-86602E379F04@gmail.com>

Please consider joining us for the weekly Elecraft SSB Net on Sundays at 18:00z (UTC)
on 20m (14.303.5).  Remember that we always stay with universal time, so the local
time will change in places that have daylight saving time.  So today, here in California the 
net meets at 10am instead of 11am.

73

John, N6JW

Eric WB9JNZ, sent the following list of participants for last week:

Elecraft SSB Net 10-30-2016

WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control

W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618

AE6JV Bill CA K3 2299

N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318

NS7P Phil OR K3 1826

K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939

W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697

W8OV Dave TX KX3 3139

K4GCJ Gary NC K3 1597

K1NW Brian RI K3 4974

W4PFM Paul VA K3 1673

W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603

N2LRB Jose NY Flex 1500 QRP

NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356

AA2RR Ron NJ KX3 1764

W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843

KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262

W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329

W4PFM Paul VA K3 1673

W4DML Doug TN KX3 2915

ZL1PWD Peter New Zealand K3 139

W5MLM Mark TX KX3 8673 QRP

K7JG John WA KX3 3519

N7GOD Gordon WA K2 6533

From ve7fxg at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 12:39:25 2016
From: ve7fxg at gmail.com (Greg Franklin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 09:39:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 alt MD
Message-ID: <CAL=1-tif1nbe73_uYDZqv2TQZFtK0sdmvamknzHp8rR-aSjQOA@mail.gmail.com>

A small group of us in the Pacific NW operate voice and digimodes on the
lower bands (40m, 80m) and we seem to be frequently shifting between voice
and digimodes.  It would be nice if a future firmware update removed the
necessity of the alt MD feature and put the alternate mode access in the
MODE button itself.  That way when switching from LSB voice to a USB
digimodes, it would simply be a matter of accessing a front panel button
rather then diving into the submenu for each change from LSB to USB and
vice versa.  Just a thought.
73
Greg
VA7BC

From richard at lamont.me.uk  Sun Nov  6 12:43:06 2016
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:43:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio questions
In-Reply-To: <20c6d786-29bb-63df-653f-a84eee3e0c06@lamont.me.uk>
References: <20c6d786-29bb-63df-653f-a84eee3e0c06@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <c381a7a6-3d4e-344f-b6ce-adb18d602b46@lamont.me.uk>

Hi,

FWIW I've done this. I've increased the gain by 12 dB, i.e. two bits.

Incidentally, the scaling on CONFIG:LIN OUT is linear - i.e. the output
voltage is proportional to the number. So for +12 dB w.r.t. the default
I've increased it from 10 to 40.

Richard Lamont G4DYA

On 06/11/16 16:48, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You make a good point for some digital modes. But you should be able to make
> up for most or all of these 3 bits by increasing the LINE OUT as it must
> surely be before the codec ADC but probably not before the K3's DSP DAC.
> It's a shame that they have to do it this way (back to back DAC/ADC, but
> everybody else is doing the same). But by adjusting LINE OUT, the USB audio
> interface should be no worse than the audio LINE OUT considering the
> nonlinearity of the transformer in that path.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> 
> Richard Lamont wrote
>> On 05/11/16 18:13, ab2tc wrote:
>> [
>>>>> 4. When listening to SSB audio at S9+, with slow AGC, the output level
>>>>> via this interface seems to be -22 dBFS true peak. Why is it throwing
>>>>> away three bits of resolution? Or is this amount of headroom
>>>>> necessary/useful?
>>
>>> The audio level seen by, say a recording program on the PC depends on the
>>> LINE OUT setting on the K3. I left that as the default, 10, and used the
>>> Windows mixer to adjust the level. My audio is now reading  approximately
>>> -6dB below clipping which is probably a little high, but I have set my
>>> AGC
>>> SLP to the flattest possible setting (highest number). If you prefer a
>>> considerable slope on the AGC curve above threshold, you will need a
>>> lower
>>> LINE OUT setting. Remember that even when throwing away 3 bits, you still
>>> have far more resolution than you can use with an HF receiver.
>>
>> Consider JT65+JT9. There might be 30 or more signals within a 4 kHz
>> band, with widely varying levels. If they're all at the same level, then
>> each signal will be about 30 dB below the sum of the signals. If the
>> signal you want is 30 dB weaker than the others, then it will be 60 dB
>> below the sum.
>>
>> The data sheet shows the ADC has an SNR of 89 dB and THD+N of 0.01%
>> (i.e. -80 dB).
>>
>> If the sum of the signals is peaking to -22 dBFS true peak, than that
>> weak JT65/JT9 signal is going to be at -82 dBFS - close to the ADC noise
>> floor. Maybe getting at least some of those three bits back could make
>> quite a difference.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Richard Lamont G4DYA
>> &lt;
> 
>> richard at .me
> 
>> &gt;
>> <snip>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-USB-audio-questions-tp7623845p7623862.html
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Nov  6 14:06:12 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 11:06:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <523ea923-a99c-9329-ec3b-1b853b78785f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>	<f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>
	<523ea923-a99c-9329-ec3b-1b853b78785f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <000001d23860$d785ed20$8691c760$@biz>

Sri Jim: You must have misunderstood. You defined the rig as the 'load' so I
used your definition. Perhaps that's the problem.  

Avoiding that terminology, if there is no reflected power at the rig, the
SWR will be 1:1. Power can be "lost" in the antenna (hopefully radiated) or
consumed in the transmission line. But, as long as there is no reflected
power arriving back at the rig, the SWR at the rig will be 1:1 no matter
what it is at the antenna. 

You are right; the antenna is usually up in the air, and some hams climb
towers to make the adjustments at the antenna in order to ensure a good
impedance match with the transmission line to minimize transmission line
losses. 

But most of us with dipoles, etc., make do with an approximate match based
on physical measurements. We measure the SWR at the rig to reassure
ourselves that the SWR at the antenna is reasonable. 

And, of course, if the rig is not equipped with an ATU, we are concerned
that the SWR at the rig is not high enough to be reduce final amplifier
efficiency and increase heat dissipation. That was the original concern that
started this thread.  

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
>
> And the losses are low. Losses go up with increased SWR on a given 
> transmission line and losses reduce the SWR measured at the load.

Not correct. And how many of us measure SWR at the load?  It's up in the
air!

73, Jim


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov  6 14:18:54 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 11:18:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <000001d23860$d785ed20$8691c760$@biz>
References: <581d12be.5777.52334940.5b2dabb7@nexicom.net>
	<a3b08f78-9902-c6e3-eaf7-96c416009235@embarqmail.com>
	<007101d2370e$747e4db0$5d7ae910$@biz>
	<d16d9fcf-a9b9-1f33-f321-4587ca2f2b5e@gmail.com>
	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>
	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
	<f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>
	<523ea923-a99c-9329-ec3b-1b853b78785f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<000001d23860$d785ed20$8691c760$@biz>
Message-ID: <ef17cc35-ae36-df95-4595-f2711b060826@foothill.net>

On 11/6/2016 11:06 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Sri Jim: You must have misunderstood. You defined the rig as the 'load' so I
> used your definition. Perhaps that's the problem.

I thought that too.  Jim was here for dinner last night but I forgot to 
ask him.

> You are right; the antenna is usually up in the air, and some hams climb
> towers to make the adjustments at the antenna in order to ensure a good
> impedance match with the transmission line to minimize transmission line
> losses.

Well, except mine at home.  It's an EF 80-10 wire strung along the top 
of the 6' fence.  I can "measure" the SWR anywhere on it I want to since 
I'm 6'2" tall. :-)  While its claim to fame is being HOA-proof, its 
doing a surprisingly good job on 20 and 15 this AM in SS.  Just S&P as 
fresh meat on Sun AM, but almost no IMI's.

If you're willing to cut a 180 deg length of low-loss transmission line 
for the band(s) in question, you can measure the characteristics at the 
elevated antenna.
>
> But most of us with dipoles, etc., make do with an approximate match based
> on physical measurements. We measure the SWR at the rig to reassure
> ourselves that the SWR at the antenna is reasonable.

It it's at the minimum at the rig, it's at the minimum at the antenna 
too, even if the actual value may be different because of transmission 
line loss.
>
> And, of course, if the rig is not equipped with an ATU, we are concerned
> that the SWR at the rig is not high enough to be reduce final amplifier
> efficiency and increase heat dissipation. That was the original concern that
> started this thread.

Indeed

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org



From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Sun Nov  6 14:39:07 2016
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:39:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - utility, a question
Message-ID: <29008479.70260.1478461147849.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

I have the latest version of the P3 utility as downloaded from the Elecraft website viz 1.16.3.15. I note that it enables the creation of only 16 macros (the P3 can store 50 macros), and furthermore those macros don't seem to be saved to the P3 itself (but clearly it is a useful way to test macros). I installed my P3 macros using the SVGA macro capability - which itself appears a bit of a kludge. I successfully activate those macros using a keyboard. So I have achieved what I wanted to.
My questions are:
1  Am I right in thinking that the macros created using the P3 utility are not stored on the P3, or have I missed something?? and as a supplementary how would one associate those macros with an activation character?
2  Is the P3 utility regarded as being fully functional as is? or are there plans to enable it to achieve what the SVGA macros entry kludge does??
Andy  G4HUE 
K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500

From dave at lanks.plus.com  Sun Nov  6 18:43:05 2016
From: dave at lanks.plus.com (Dave Lankshear)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 23:43:05 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing Ke with MFJ929?
Message-ID: <2595AC8AB2C845C79360255D9C0D21EF@DaveLLaptop>

I wonder if anyone has interfaced a K3 with an MFJ-929, used as a remote
tuner?

 

One of my antennas is a doublet fed with 450 ohm ladder line.  The ideal
place for a tuner is at the base of the ladderline and I intend to
experiment with a variety of baluns to see which work best on which bands.
I have a suitable housing for the auto ATU and balun(s), which may end up
being switched remotely.

 

The auto tuner can be set to an automatic mode whereby feeding a few watts
of RF will generate a tune before adjusting power output of the K3 to the
required level, but I wonder if this can be done in a more automated manner?

 

Any help and guidance would be greatly appreciated.

 

73 Dave G3TJP

 

 


From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sun Nov  6 19:34:19 2016
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 16:34:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing Ke with MFJ929?
In-Reply-To: <2595AC8AB2C845C79360255D9C0D21EF@DaveLLaptop>
References: <2595AC8AB2C845C79360255D9C0D21EF@DaveLLaptop>
Message-ID: <B388E190-7F0D-4133-830C-F26FA2945336@coastside.net>

I have a MFJ-927 which is probably the same circuit board in a different, water resistant box. It's powered over the coax with a bias-T. It's set up to automatically tune when it sees RF. I give it about 5 watts of "TUN PWR" and it finds a match, usually pretty easily. Sometimes it's. Little flakey and seems to depend on where it's tuning from. You can watch it tune on the K3 display and see what it arrives at. 

I use the 927 on 80-30m with a 92 ft doublet, 450 ohm window line and a 1:1 choke balun. SWR < 1.5:1 most of the time. Helps keep the losses in 130 ft of coax under control. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Nov  6 19:46:34 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 ON THE KX2
In-Reply-To: <CALpA8Wg8oSUCAB8-nwYiGyWR0Gkhn=L3tAeRoJR6LsGzhk_Lsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALpA8Wg8oSUCAB8-nwYiGyWR0Gkhn=L3tAeRoJR6LsGzhk_Lsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0017831A-B564-463D-B7C5-B54F635A0C7F@widomaker.com>

Check manual for digital modes using DATA A submode. Watch power out as this mode has a 42 second 100% TX time. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 6, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert 'RC' Conley <rc.kc5wa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How is it accomplished?
> 
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From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Sun Nov  6 19:56:14 2016
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:56:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing Ke with MFJ929?
In-Reply-To: <2595AC8AB2C845C79360255D9C0D21EF@DaveLLaptop>
References: <2595AC8AB2C845C79360255D9C0D21EF@DaveLLaptop>
Message-ID: <6af6795d-53e0-404f-bb89-1b8a81eb6969@ilstu.edu>

In CONFIG menu, TUN PWR defaults to NOR, where tuning power follows the 
power knob.  But TUN PWR can be pre-set to any other value, which it 
will produce whenever the "xmit" button is held. (I have mine set for 50 
W since my SWR indicators are manual). You could use 5W or anything 
else.  Is this "automated" enough?

George, W3HBM


On 11/6/2016 6:43 PM, Dave Lankshear wrote:
> I wonder if anyone has interfaced a K3 with an MFJ-929, used as a remote
> tuner?
>
>   
>
> One of my antennas is a doublet fed with 450 ohm ladder line.  The ideal
> place for a tuner is at the base of the ladderline and I intend to
> experiment with a variety of baluns to see which work best on which bands.
> I have a suitable housing for the auto ATU and balun(s), which may end up
> being switched remotely.
>
>   
>
> The auto tuner can be set to an automatic mode whereby feeding a few watts
> of RF will generate a tune before adjusting power output of the K3 to the
> required level, but I wonder if this can be done in a more automated manner?
>
>   
>
> Any help and guidance would be greatly appreciated.
>
>   
>
> 73 Dave G3TJP
>
>   
>
>   
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Nov  6 21:04:21 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 18:04:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 ON THE KX2
In-Reply-To: <0017831A-B564-463D-B7C5-B54F635A0C7F@widomaker.com>
References: <CALpA8Wg8oSUCAB8-nwYiGyWR0Gkhn=L3tAeRoJR6LsGzhk_Lsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0017831A-B564-463D-B7C5-B54F635A0C7F@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <A41F7985-A09E-4D8C-8561-D4CED83BE40B@wunderwood.org>

What??? That isn?t in any spec or manual for the KX2. Why 42 seconds? 

The KX2 manual says this, on page 27:

"5.0 watts or lower is recommended in all data modes. The KX2 will reduce power, if necessary, to maintain a safe operating temperature.?

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner's%20man%20A5.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner's%20man%20A5.pdf>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> Check manual for digital modes using DATA A submode. Watch power out as this mode has a 42 second 100% TX time. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert 'RC' Conley <rc.kc5wa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How is it accomplished?
>> 
>> -- 
>> May You Live Long and Prosper....
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From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 21:25:58 2016
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 02:25:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing Ke with MFJ929?
In-Reply-To: <6af6795d-53e0-404f-bb89-1b8a81eb6969@ilstu.edu>
References: <2595AC8AB2C845C79360255D9C0D21EF@DaveLLaptop>
	<6af6795d-53e0-404f-bb89-1b8a81eb6969@ilstu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf3gcMxxAbjNzuOBsqFURPkiZR8vDTDZniFn7H+F3R1WGQ@mail.gmail.com>

I use a SGC auto tuner in a similar configuration. Tuner at ground level,
40 feet of window line straight up to feed point of 130 foot doublet. TUN
PWR on the K3 is set to about 5 watts in the menu. Press and hold the XMIT
(Tune) button on the K3 and it tunes.
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:05 PM George Kidder <gkidder at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> In CONFIG menu, TUN PWR defaults to NOR, where tuning power follows the
> power knob.  But TUN PWR can be pre-set to any other value, which it
> will produce whenever the "xmit" button is held. (I have mine set for 50
> W since my SWR indicators are manual). You could use 5W or anything
> else.  Is this "automated" enough?
>
> George, W3HBM
>
>
> On 11/6/2016 6:43 PM, Dave Lankshear wrote:
> > I wonder if anyone has interfaced a K3 with an MFJ-929, used as a remote
> > tuner?
> >
> >
> >
> > One of my antennas is a doublet fed with 450 ohm ladder line.  The ideal
> > place for a tuner is at the base of the ladderline and I intend to
> > experiment with a variety of baluns to see which work best on which
> bands.
> > I have a suitable housing for the auto ATU and balun(s), which may end up
> > being switched remotely.
> >
> >
> >
> > The auto tuner can be set to an automatic mode whereby feeding a few
> watts
> > of RF will generate a tune before adjusting power output of the K3 to the
> > required level, but I wonder if this can be done in a more automated
> manner?
> >
> >
> >
> > Any help and guidance would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 Dave G3TJP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 03:55:24 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 08:55:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 ON THE KX2
In-Reply-To: <A41F7985-A09E-4D8C-8561-D4CED83BE40B@wunderwood.org>
References: <CALpA8Wg8oSUCAB8-nwYiGyWR0Gkhn=L3tAeRoJR6LsGzhk_Lsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0017831A-B564-463D-B7C5-B54F635A0C7F@widomaker.com>
	<A41F7985-A09E-4D8C-8561-D4CED83BE40B@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CB2F29B3-E274-45DD-82BB-935218541FFB@yahoo.co.uk>

I think the mode referred to with the 42 seconds TX time is JT65 not DATA-A. Simple misunderstanding.



73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 02:04, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> What??? That isn?t in any spec or manual for the KX2. Why 42 seconds? 
> 
> The KX2 manual says this, on page 27:
> 
> "5.0 watts or lower is recommended in all data modes. The KX2 will reduce power, if necessary, to maintain a safe operating temperature.?
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner's%20man%20A5.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner's%20man%20A5.pdf>
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Check manual for digital modes using DATA A submode. Watch power out as this mode has a 42 second 100% TX time. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert 'RC' Conley <rc.kc5wa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How is it accomplished?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> May You Live Long and Prosper....
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov  7 07:36:45 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 07:36:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 alt MD
In-Reply-To: <CAL=1-tif1nbe73_uYDZqv2TQZFtK0sdmvamknzHp8rR-aSjQOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=1-tif1nbe73_uYDZqv2TQZFtK0sdmvamknzHp8rR-aSjQOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56e60baa-1716-52c0-edd0-f61003f749ee@embarqmail.com>

Greg,

Use DATA A mode.  Not only dooes it solve your request, but it also sets 
equalization flat and sets compression to zero.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/6/2016 12:39 PM, Greg Franklin wrote:
> A small group of us in the Pacific NW operate voice and digimodes on the
> lower bands (40m, 80m) and we seem to be frequently shifting between voice
> and digimodes.  It would be nice if a future firmware update removed the
> necessity of the alt MD feature and put the alternate mode access in the
> MODE button itself.  That way when switching from LSB voice to a USB
> digimodes, it would simply be a matter of accessing a front panel button
> rather then diving into the submenu for each change from LSB to USB and
> vice versa.  Just a thought.
>


From n3ikq at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 11:03:40 2016
From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Digi Mode Newb looking for advice
References: <51253425.1967006.1478534620645.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <51253425.1967006.1478534620645@mail.yahoo.com>

I have happily acquired a newish KX2 and a SideKar (and Signal Link usb). Now that I have the hardware I'd like to jump in. There seems to be more modes then ever. Any advice or suggestions on which are the "hot" modes at the moment or what modes are best for a beginner? Best for portable use? Books, links or Youtube videos that you have found helpful? Thanks!?It is not possible to cheat Ohm's Law. If you try, you will have to answer to the Blue Smoke Monster.

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Nov  7 11:31:55 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 08:31:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] TxMon and K3 (tuner bypassed) SWR missmatch
In-Reply-To: <000001d23860$d785ed20$8691c760$@biz>
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	<99955bba-1f1b-2e7f-ada5-c06aa6af638a@roadrunner.com>
	<a199d48f-e91d-d82a-ecda-24551fe3ff06@sonic.net>
	<f4706f84-12c7-2d7d-315c-2bbc2626ad73@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<000301d2379e$d0e2ca50$72a85ef0$@biz>
	<523ea923-a99c-9329-ec3b-1b853b78785f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<000001d23860$d785ed20$8691c760$@biz>
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On Sun,11/6/2016 11:06 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Sri Jim: You must have misunderstood. You defined the rig as the 'load' so I
> used your definition. Perhaps that's the problem.

I think you misunderstood me. )  The rig is the load for the line ONLY 
when the line is feeding the RECEIVER.  Loss in the line is almost never 
a factor in hearing weak signals. That happens only when the signal is 
so low, and the noise received by the antenna is so low, that the signal 
is near the level of internal noise. This is usually a factor only for 
very weak signal work at VHF and UHF.

> Avoiding that terminology, if there is no reflected power at the rig, the
> SWR will be 1:1. Power can be "lost" in the antenna (hopefully radiated) or
> consumed in the transmission line. But, as long as there is no reflected
> power arriving back at the rig, the SWR at the rig will be 1:1 no matter
> what it is at the antenna.

There is a common misconception that the output impedance of a power 
amplifier is 50 ohms resistive. This is NOT generally true. Rather, 50 
ohms is the LOAD that the rig is designed to drive. The output impedance 
of the power amplifier is generally a lot lower than 50 ohms.  The 
"match" that antenna tuners provide is to transform the complex 
impedance of the transmission line to that 50 ohm value as seen at the 
output terminal of the power amp (whether an external amp or the 100W 
amp of a rig running barefoot).  Also, tube power amps include variable 
matching networks that perform that impedance transformation for 
moderate values of mismatch.

> You are right; the antenna is usually up in the air, and some hams climb
> towers to make the adjustments at the antenna in order to ensure a good
> impedance match with the transmission line to minimize transmission line
> losses.

Hams who have done their homework to learn about modern test equipment 
use Vector Network or Vector Impedance analyzers to measure the 
impedance in the shack, use the Time Delay Reflectometer function in 
those analyzers to find the electrical length of the line, and plug the 
data into a program like SimSmith to transform the measurement made in 
the shack to the impedance at the antenna.

> But most of us with dipoles, etc., make do with an approximate match based
> on physical measurements. We measure the SWR at the rig to reassure
> ourselves that the SWR at the antenna is reasonable.

The fixation on SWR is unreasonable. The real reason to use an SWR 
indicator is to find the approximate resonant frequency of an antenna, 
and to determine whether the impedance at the transmitter end of the 
line is in the range that the transmitter can provide power to it. Solid 
state rigs and power amps have protection circuits that cause them to 
shut down if the SWR is higher than about 2:1 -- that's because voltage 
and/or current in the transistors get high enough to cause destructive 
failure. Also, DISTORTION rises in output devices (both solid state and 
hollow state) when they are not driving their intended load. This is 
something that my neighbor, fellow contester, and Elecraft engineer K6XX 
made certain that I understood when I moved in five miles down the road 
from him ten years ago. :)

> And, of course, if the rig is not equipped with an ATU, we are concerned
> that the SWR at the rig is not high enough to be reduce final amplifier
> efficiency and increase heat dissipation. That was the original concern that
> started this thread.

See above.

73, Jim K9YC

From psaffren at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  7 11:41:42 2016
From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 09:41:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - utility, a question
In-Reply-To: <29008479.70260.1478461147849.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <29008479.70260.1478461147849.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <1478536902446-7623877.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Andy, 

I know it can get confusing with all the different macros.  The K3 can be
programmed with macros, the P3/SVGA can have keyboard macros saved using a
keyboard and each of the Utilities allows macros to be created and used with
a mouse click. 

The P3/SVGA accessory board allows up to 50 macros and 50 text messages to
be stored in the SVGA card.  The P3 Utility macros on the other hand are
simply macros that are used entirely within the P3 Utility, they cannot be
downloaded or programmed into the P3/SVGA.   A planned future release of
P3/SVGA firmware will allow the user to export/edit/import P3/SVGA macros
using a USB memory stick. 

Kindly, 

Paul






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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 11:59:09 2016
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 10:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - utility, a question
In-Reply-To: <1478536902446-7623877.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <29008479.70260.1478461147849.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
	<1478536902446-7623877.post@n2.nabble.com>
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I sure wish it would display text like the PX3 does.  


> On Nov 7, 2016, at 10:41 AM, n6hz <psaffren at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andy, 
> 
> I know it can get confusing with all the different macros.  The K3 can be
> programmed with macros, the P3/SVGA can have keyboard macros saved using a
> keyboard and each of the Utilities allows macros to be created and used with
> a mouse click. 
> 
> The P3/SVGA accessory board allows up to 50 macros and 50 text messages to
> be stored in the SVGA card.  The P3 Utility macros on the other hand are
> simply macros that are used entirely within the P3 Utility, they cannot be
> downloaded or programmed into the P3/SVGA.   A planned future release of
> P3/SVGA firmware will allow the user to export/edit/import P3/SVGA macros
> using a USB memory stick. 
> 
> Kindly, 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From phils at riousa.com  Mon Nov  7 14:06:04 2016
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 11:06:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results Nov 6, 2016
In-Reply-To: <72101C2A-4E3E-4B4E-8003-86602E379F04@gmail.com>
References: <72101C2A-4E3E-4B4E-8003-86602E379F04@gmail.com>
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Here are the results from the SSB net of Nov 6, 2016.  Thanks to W4RKS, N6JW, WO1I, NC0JW and any others who helped with relays, etc. Have a great week and remember to vote.

CALL		NAME		QTH	RIG		NOTES

W4RKS		Jim			TX		K3		3618
N6JW		John		CA		K3		936
W5MLM		Mark		TX		KX3		8673	
KD7BCF		Gene		OR		KX3		7071	
KB9FMV		Paul			IL		FT1000
WO1I		Dick			MA		K3		911
W7SNR		Bob			AZ		K3		343
NC5G		George		TX		K2		2217
NC0JW		Jim			CO		KX3		1356
W9LSE		Bob			WI		KX3		945
N7BDL		Terry		AZ		K3S		10373
W4PFM		Paul			VA		K3		1673
K4GCJ		Gerry		NC		K3		1597
KN5L		John		TX		K2		7212
ZL1PWD		Peter		NZ		K3		139
AD5SX		Paul			NM		K3		4645
W0CZ		Ken			ND		K3S		10329
W7QHD		Kurt			AZ		KX3		8697
K6WDE		Dave		CA		KX3		4599
W4SC		Ben			SC		KX2		39
WW9S		Dave		IL		K3S		10115
W7JKL		John		WA		KX3		993
K6SAB		Steve		CA		K3		7497
KK4FLZ/m	Tom			TN		FT857D
AD6A		Dave		CA		K32		1162
N2LRB		Jose		NY		KX3		7791
W7REK		Glen		AZ		K3		2843
N4NRW		Roger		SC		K3		1318
NS7P		Phil			OR		K3		1826

73,
Phil, NS7P

From w2id at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 16:49:41 2016
From: w2id at comcast.net (John W2ID)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:49:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Need hints on using K3/K3S with MK2R+ and N1MM
Message-ID: <1464769791.104944.1478555382119@connect.xfinity.com>

Hi all,

If you do not use N1MM and an MK2R(+) with at least one K3 radio, then you should probably skip the rest of this message, because it won't be relevant to you.

I have been using N1MM (classic, under Windows XP) with my MK2R+ and a pair of Yaesu FT-1000MP's for a few years with good success.  I have just replaced the two Yaesu radios with a K3 and a K3S.

It took me the first 90 minutes of the Sweepstakes to get to the point where N1MM saw both of my radios and was able to send CW. Thankfully, I did get that far.  But despite several more hours of playing with every setting I could think of, I could not figure out how to make the MK2R+ transmit on the proper radio in "Auto" mode, i.e. the radio that has transmit focus in N1MM.  So I was forced to switch manually using the front panel buttons on the MK2R+.   

I know it seems like this issue should be posted on either the MicroHam or N1MM reflectors. However, my MicroHam device was working perfectly fine with N1MM with my Yaesu radios, and the problem only started happening when I switched over to the K3's.  So I figured my best bet would be to reach out to people who have succeeded in making the MK2R and N1MM work properly with a couple of Elecraft radios, and this is where I can find that crowd!

Can anyone who has been successful getting N1MM and an MK2R+ to work with a pair of Elecraft K3 or K3S radios please kindly either point me to a document showing how to do it, and what all the relevant settings are, or else perhaps share with me either some screen shots or photos of your configuration screens, or a copy of the page in your station configuration log where you documented all of this?   I have found numerous docs online, but couldn't find any that address SO2R with an MK2R and a pair of Elecraft rigs.  I have pulled out about as much hair as I can afford to pull out.

Thanks!

73,

John W2ID

p.s.  Yes, I am aware that I shouldn't still be using Windows XP.    The PC is used only for contesting, I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. :-)

From lists at subich.com  Mon Nov  7 17:35:51 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 17:35:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need hints on using K3/K3S with MK2R+ and N1MM
In-Reply-To: <1464769791.104944.1478555382119@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1464769791.104944.1478555382119@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <2ea3d306-5eb4-2091-82cb-c507af6fb59d@subich.com>


John,

I hate to tell you to look for whatever you changed in your software
configuration.  However, there is absolutely no difference in TX Focus
whether one is using a pair of FT-1000MP or a pair of K3s!

My best guess would be that you have - in no particular order -
1) set "Radio Nr" for the "MK2R Port" in N1MM to 1 or 2 instead
    of "Both"
2) failed to set the "Control" Port in Router to the same port
    as you configured as the MK2R port in N1MM
3) failed to set an MK2R port (Two Radio Protocol) in N1MM
4) failed to enable the MK2R Port (check CW/Other) in N1MM
5) failed to select "microHAM control protocol on COM port" on
    the SO2R tab in microHAM Router
6) failed to select "Auto" on TX Focus (MK2R front panel).

N1MM Classic is no longer supported by the N1MM development team.
However, the example configuration for N1MM Classic and MK2R+ is
available here:
   <http://www.microham.com/Downloads/MK2R_N1MM_USB_Setup.pdf>

Since N1MM Classic and N1MM Logger+ can not be installed at the same
time, I can no longer provide updates/specific support for N1MM
Classic.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV



On 11/7/2016 4:49 PM, John W2ID wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> If you do not use N1MM and an MK2R(+) with at least one K3 radio,
> then you should probably skip the rest of this message, because it
> won't be relevant to you.
>
> I have been using N1MM (classic, under Windows XP) with my MK2R+ and
> a pair of Yaesu FT-1000MP's for a few years with good success.  I
> have just replaced the two Yaesu radios with a K3 and a K3S.
>
> It took me the first 90 minutes of the Sweepstakes to get to the
> point where N1MM saw both of my radios and was able to send CW.
> Thankfully, I did get that far.  But despite several more hours of
> playing with every setting I could think of, I could not figure out
> how to make the MK2R+ transmit on the proper radio in "Auto" mode,
> i.e. the radio that has transmit focus in N1MM.  So I was forced to
> switch manually using the front panel buttons on the MK2R+.
>
> I know it seems like this issue should be posted on either the
> MicroHam or N1MM reflectors. However, my MicroHam device was working
> perfectly fine with N1MM with my Yaesu radios, and the problem only
> started happening when I switched over to the K3's.  So I figured my
> best bet would be to reach out to people who have succeeded in making
> the MK2R and N1MM work properly with a couple of Elecraft radios, and
> this is where I can find that crowd!
>
> Can anyone who has been successful getting N1MM and an MK2R+ to work
> with a pair of Elecraft K3 or K3S radios please kindly either point
> me to a document showing how to do it, and what all the relevant
> settings are, or else perhaps share with me either some screen shots
> or photos of your configuration screens, or a copy of the page in
> your station configuration log where you documented all of this?   I
> have found numerous docs online, but couldn't find any that address
> SO2R with an MK2R and a pair of Elecraft rigs.  I have pulled out
> about as much hair as I can afford to pull out.
>
> Thanks!
>
> 73,
>
> John W2ID
>
> p.s.  Yes, I am aware that I shouldn't still be using Windows XP.
> The PC is used only for contesting, I subscribe to the "if it ain't
> broke, don't fix it" philosophy. :-)



From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Nov  7 17:39:51 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 17:39:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need hints on using K3/K3S with MK2R+ and N1MM
In-Reply-To: <2ea3d306-5eb4-2091-82cb-c507af6fb59d@subich.com>
References: <1464769791.104944.1478555382119@connect.xfinity.com>
	<2ea3d306-5eb4-2091-82cb-c507af6fb59d@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts53KZHSK29j4=wTB8QDyGThWCuxC_sAX6UJivwQk0V86A@mail.gmail.com>

John,  your PS comment made me laugh.

Sounds like it might be broke now, so now you are going to have to fix it.
 :)

73, mike va3mw


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> John,
>
> I hate to tell you to look for whatever you changed in your software
> configuration.  However, there is absolutely no difference in TX Focus
> whether one is using a pair of FT-1000MP or a pair of K3s!
>
> My best guess would be that you have - in no particular order -
> 1) set "Radio Nr" for the "MK2R Port" in N1MM to 1 or 2 instead
>    of "Both"
> 2) failed to set the "Control" Port in Router to the same port
>    as you configured as the MK2R port in N1MM
> 3) failed to set an MK2R port (Two Radio Protocol) in N1MM
> 4) failed to enable the MK2R Port (check CW/Other) in N1MM
> 5) failed to select "microHAM control protocol on COM port" on
>    the SO2R tab in microHAM Router
> 6) failed to select "Auto" on TX Focus (MK2R front panel).
>
> N1MM Classic is no longer supported by the N1MM development team.
> However, the example configuration for N1MM Classic and MK2R+ is
> available here:
>   <http://www.microham.com/Downloads/MK2R_N1MM_USB_Setup.pdf>
>
> Since N1MM Classic and N1MM Logger+ can not be installed at the same
> time, I can no longer provide updates/specific support for N1MM
> Classic.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>
> On 11/7/2016 4:49 PM, John W2ID wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> If you do not use N1MM and an MK2R(+) with at least one K3 radio,
>> then you should probably skip the rest of this message, because it
>> won't be relevant to you.
>>
>> I have been using N1MM (classic, under Windows XP) with my MK2R+ and
>> a pair of Yaesu FT-1000MP's for a few years with good success.  I
>> have just replaced the two Yaesu radios with a K3 and a K3S.
>>
>> It took me the first 90 minutes of the Sweepstakes to get to the
>> point where N1MM saw both of my radios and was able to send CW.
>> Thankfully, I did get that far.  But despite several more hours of
>> playing with every setting I could think of, I could not figure out
>> how to make the MK2R+ transmit on the proper radio in "Auto" mode,
>> i.e. the radio that has transmit focus in N1MM.  So I was forced to
>> switch manually using the front panel buttons on the MK2R+.
>>
>> I know it seems like this issue should be posted on either the
>> MicroHam or N1MM reflectors. However, my MicroHam device was working
>> perfectly fine with N1MM with my Yaesu radios, and the problem only
>> started happening when I switched over to the K3's.  So I figured my
>> best bet would be to reach out to people who have succeeded in making
>> the MK2R and N1MM work properly with a couple of Elecraft radios, and
>> this is where I can find that crowd!
>>
>> Can anyone who has been successful getting N1MM and an MK2R+ to work
>> with a pair of Elecraft K3 or K3S radios please kindly either point
>> me to a document showing how to do it, and what all the relevant
>> settings are, or else perhaps share with me either some screen shots
>> or photos of your configuration screens, or a copy of the page in
>> your station configuration log where you documented all of this?   I
>> have found numerous docs online, but couldn't find any that address
>> SO2R with an MK2R and a pair of Elecraft rigs.  I have pulled out
>> about as much hair as I can afford to pull out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John W2ID
>>
>> p.s.  Yes, I am aware that I shouldn't still be using Windows XP.
>> The PC is used only for contesting, I subscribe to the "if it ain't
>> broke, don't fix it" philosophy. :-)
>>
>
>
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From idarack at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 21:41:08 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:41:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
Message-ID: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>

When I boot up my computer it keys the K3s Radio. I seem to remember there
is a setting in the K3s Radio to prevent this?

Irwin KD3TB


-- 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Nov  7 21:59:18 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 18:59:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a831966e-6ff7-f794-4625-eaa75b058d89@foothill.net>

Ahhh yes.  I had a similar problem very recently and the list solved it 
for me.  I'll pass it on ...

Hold MENU for CONFIG
VFOB to PTT_KEY
VFOA to OFF-OFF
MENU

I think CONFIG-->TECH MD must be on.

If you use RTS and/or DTR to key your rig from a computer, you'll have 
to set these back where they belong.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/7/2016 6:41 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> When I boot up my computer it keys the K3s Radio. I seem to remember there
> is a setting in the K3s Radio to prevent this?
>
> Irwin KD3TB
>
>


From kstover at ac0h.net  Mon Nov  7 22:03:23 2016
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:03:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38b98a9e-7086-3044-a25e-6e8568b2f080@ac0h.net>

Yep, boot the computer before you turn on the radio.


On 11/7/2016 8:41 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> When I boot up my computer it keys the K3s Radio. I seem to remember there
> is a setting in the K3s Radio to prevent this?
>
> Irwin KD3TB
>
>

-- 
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AC0H
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From fcady at montana.edu  Mon Nov  7 23:00:55 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 04:00:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB0809CB58496DFB03C4A8ACB2AFA60@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Irwin,

Here is the poop from firmware
MCU 5.33 / DSP 2.86 / FPF 1.23, 8-3-2015

* DIVERSITY WORKS WITH MISMATCHED MAIN/SUB RX FILTERS:  Diversity mode in the K3S (or a K3 with the KSYN3A installed) now works with any combination of main/sub RX crystal filters. They can have different bandwidths or offsets, and it's not necessary to have an equal number of filters in each receiver. Note: Matched filters are optimal for diversity, but non-matched filters will still perform well.

* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED:  PC applications can activate PTT and KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial setup of the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S, or if the USB cable is not connected. There is now a "Safe" mode (the default) which disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE". Exit the menu and turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY via USB but never send commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this case, unwanted transmit can be avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S.

* CANCELLING UNEXPECTED PTT-KEY ACTIVATION:  If an external source (usually a PC) activates PTT or KEY unexpectedly, you can cancel transmit by tapping the XMIT switch. This will show ERR KEY or ERR PTT on VFO B. Once the PTT or KEY source as been removed, transmit will be re-enabled. If the cause may be unneeded PTT-KEY activation via the USB port, go into the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu entry and set the parameter to OFF-OFF.

Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com


________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:41 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S

When I boot up my computer it keys the K3s Radio. I seem to remember there
is a setting in the K3s Radio to prevent this?

Irwin KD3TB


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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Nov  8 01:12:19 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  7 Nov 2016 22:12:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Digi Mode Newb looking for advice
In-Reply-To: <51253425.1967006.1478534620645@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10116i-22D1CF2361C34A62A681F682AAA4C79B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I suggest starting with PSK31 on 20M. There are usually signals 
at 14.070 and up when the band is open. I see the advantage as: 
PSK31 is symmetric so it will work with both sidebands. Not 
having to worry about whether the higher frequency signal on the 
air is also higher in your computer lets you get things like 
audio levels an keying working. Then when you try a mode like 
RTTY, most things work making finding out what is wrong easier.

There are lots of programs which support PSK31, including the 
popular fldigi which runs on Linux, Macintosh, and Windows. 
There are also PSK31 programs that run on phones and tablets.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 11/7/16 at 8:03 AM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (rick jones via 
Elecraft) wrote:

>I have happily acquired a newish KX2 and a SideKar (and Signal 
>Link usb). Now that I have the hardware I'd like to jump in. 
>There seems to be more modes then ever. Any advice or 
>suggestions on which are the "hot" modes at the moment or what 
>modes are best for a beginner? Best for portable use? Books, 
>links or Youtube videos that you have found helpful? 
>Thanks!?It is not possible to cheat Ohm's Law. If you try, you 
>will have to answer to the Blue Smoke Monster.
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 13:31:30 2016
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 13:31:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale
Message-ID: <1DBA57D3-B739-428E-963F-D094D93778D8@gmail.com>

Just bought a K3S and want to sell my K3/100.

SN 7976.
Built from a kit. Excellent condition except for one bad screw on a side panel (picture available).
One owner, no smoking.
400 Hz 8 pole filter
KXV3A  interface
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$1750 shipped CONUS.


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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  9 07:24:36 2016
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:24:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24awTtdC=HETzM3qY9psGZtzsD3iZYP9nDJwB8eiSS=KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY1PR0801MB109604B732857BC5E1994ECBFAB90@BY1PR0801MB1096.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Do you have it on vox mode, and perhaps the K3S sound card is set to default sound device  (and windows startup sound is triggering the Vox)?

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On Nov 7, 2016, at 21:42, Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com<mailto:idarack at gmail.com>> wrote:

When I boot up my computer it keys the K3s Radio. I seem to remember there
is a setting in the K3s Radio to prevent this?

Irwin KD3TB


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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Wed Nov  9 11:05:13 2016
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 11:05:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
Message-ID: <58234939.5777.52685940.4376b51d@nexicom.net>


 nothing new here  My K3 does this as well

the computers serial port will toggle the DTR and RTS several times 
during the boot process.   some computers more or less.   My laptop 
will hold it on until I launch  a program that accesses the port like 
VSPE or a logging program.

the solution.  you could disable keying from the RTS or DTR in the 
menues  but if you are using that to say send CW from your computer 
that is a poor option.

My solution is this.  I either turn off the K3 when the computer boots 
or hold the TX TEST  to disable transmit. untill the computer has 
completed the boot.





David Moes
VE3SD



> --- Original message ---
> Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
> From: Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Monday, 07/11/2016  9:41 PM
>
> When I boot up my computer it keys the K3s Radio. I seem to remember 
> there
> is a setting in the K3s Radio to prevent this?
>
> Irwin KD3TB
>
>
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 11:10:07 2016
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 09:10:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Boot Up Keys the K3S
In-Reply-To: <58234939.5777.52685940.4376b51d@nexicom.net>
References: <58234939.5777.52685940.4376b51d@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <51717b94-a845-d8e2-730b-2340c1e8c027@gmail.com>

See the firmware release notes.  There is a setting to help with this.

73,

Lyle KK7P


>
> ...the solution.  you could disable keying from the RTS or DTR in the 
> menues  but if you are using that to say send CW from your computer 
> that is a poor option.
>
>> When I boot up my computer it keys the K3s Radio. I seem to remember 
>> there
>> is a setting in the K3s Radio to prevent this?


From K8ami.goblue at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 13:31:42 2016
From: K8ami.goblue at gmail.com (Michael Carter)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:31:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3A For Sale - $95 Shipped
In-Reply-To: <5691BEAF.6030802@rthorne.net>
References: <5691BEAF.6030802@rthorne.net>
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Do you still have your KXV3A board for the Elecraft K3. I am interested.

TNX 73
Mike K8AMI



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From kbeckman at wi.rr.com  Wed Nov  9 15:21:36 2016
From: kbeckman at wi.rr.com (Kbeckman@wi.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:21:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Glitch when using USB Keyboard on P3 to send CW via K3
References: <5691BEAF.6030802@rthorne.net>
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Message-ID: <74730FA8908946BFA5458E36D425BD40@dellquadcore>

I had an interesting issue using a USB keyboard on a P3 to send CW via a K3.  The CW characters were not reliable, depending on how long (time wise) the CW character was.  E always worked perfectly, but H was a problem.  You could press H multiple times, and sometimes you would get dit dit dit dit and other times just dit dit, or dit dit dit.

The problem is a parameter in the P3.  This had been working perfectly, but I just upgraded all the firmware in the K3 and P3 recently.  Somewhere in this upgrade process, the parameter got wiped out.

To fix it:

  a.. Plug in a SVGA monitor and USB keyboard into the P3.
  b.. On the SVGA screen, you should have Ctrl-H Help    K on the lower right corner.
  c.. Press Ctrl-Alt-S to enter settings menu.
  d.. Press down arrow to put caret at  >Transmit Timeout.  
  e.. Press the right arrow to increase this value to 1000.
  f.. Press Esc to exit.  You should see Saving Settings...
The problem should be fixed.

I spoke to the engineer at Elecraft, who said there is a firmware version coming out to fix this.

Keith
K9GL

From len at ka7ftp.com  Wed Nov  9 15:07:09 2016
From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:07:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Device data retention times
Message-ID: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>

Hi All,

 

            I'm constantly doing projects with microcontrollers and
programmable logic devices.  I've been doing this long enough that I've got
devices that have "lost their memory."  Things that I designed and built
decades ago no longer function.  Over time flash will lose its mind, I guess
just like we do.

 

At some point in time that will happen to our lovely little radios.  From an
operator stand point we can re-flash the firmware as long as the boot code
is functional.  Does Elecraft have a provision in the radios that will allow
an update of the bootloader to keep it fresh, so to speak?  That is without
sending it back to the factory?

 

I know a lot of people don't keep stuff forever, but I pretty much do.   In
old radios we replace caps, and a few other parts that age.  With
programmable chips you need and ISP, unless there is another provision.  

 

73

 

Len

 

            


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Wed Nov  9 15:38:28 2016
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:38:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Device data retention times
In-Reply-To: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>
References: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>
Message-ID: <d9d65c73-5e7b-efbb-36fe-4ad80bc7d330@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Last time I saw numbers on this, it was for the configuration memory on 
a TAPR TNC-1.

The documentation said 100,000 writes, but it only counted if you 
actually flipped a bit -- and it was per-bit, not per word or across the 
entire device.

That means re-flashing with the same firmware shouldn't count at all, 
since you're writing the same bits into the same words in storage.

I'm sure current parts are better.

73 -- Lynn

On 11/9/2016 12:07 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>   
>
>              I'm constantly doing projects with microcontrollers and
> programmable logic devices.  I've been doing this long enough that I've got
> devices that have "lost their memory."  Things that I designed and built
> decades ago no longer function.  Over time flash will lose its mind, I guess
> just like we do.
>
>   
>
> At some point in time that will happen to our lovely little radios.  From an
> operator stand point we can re-flash the firmware as long as the boot code
> is functional.  Does Elecraft have a provision in the radios that will allow
> an update of the bootloader to keep it fresh, so to speak?  That is without
> sending it back to the factory?
>
>   
>
> I know a lot of people don't keep stuff forever, but I pretty much do.   In
> old radios we replace caps, and a few other parts that age.  With
> programmable chips you need and ISP, unless there is another provision.
>
>   
>
> 73
>
>   
>
> Len
>
>   
>
>              
>
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From k4mmg.ham at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 16:28:24 2016
From: k4mmg.ham at gmail.com (k4mmg.ham at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:28:24 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
Message-ID: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>

Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the Elecraft hand mic?

Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using any other type of mike?

I am not seeking any fancy audio profile.

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Nov  9 16:36:54 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:36:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
Message-ID: <A447B7E1-1E61-4995-BD7D-8355ADF3AF30@wunderwood.org>

Pretty much the same for all modern mics. Some have an upper midrange boost, so you?ll need to decide whether you like that. Here is a writeup on TX EQ, compression, etc.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ <https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 1:28 PM, <k4mmg.ham at gmail.com> <k4mmg.ham at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the Elecraft hand mic?
> 
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using any other type of mike?
> 
> I am not seeking any fancy audio profile.
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Wed Nov  9 16:36:12 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:36:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
Message-ID: <dc5264af-7e4d-f05f-c649-b1fd3e4ffec6@roadrunner.com>

Best is to eliminate the low (50, 100, 200 Hzbands).  These contribute 
nothing to intelligibility, and the MH3 has frequency response below 400 
Hz, so you'd just be wasting energy because of this.  With the low bands 
at 0dB, I got reports of muddy audio.

I would also suggest a mid-band boost, say at 1.6 and 2.4 KHz, of 3 to 5 
dB.  This will assist intelligibilityin general.

I'm using these settings on a K3, KX3, and on a KX2 with different 
microphones, and all of them produce excellent voice audio as reported 
on-air.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 11/9/2016 1:28 PM, k4mmg.ham at gmail.com wrote:
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the Elecraft hand mic?
>
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using any other type of mike?
>
> I am not seeking any fancy audio profile.
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From john at kn5l.net  Wed Nov  9 18:09:01 2016
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:09:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
Message-ID: <54288d87-3e4f-d248-0000-b5ccc4b9b050@kn5l.net>

The Heil site as some suggestions here:
https://www.heilsound.com/amateur/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft

Using a K3/P3 to measure the response curve, I use:
-16 -16 -16 -2 +3 +9 +16 +8

John KN5L

On 11/09/2016 03:28 PM, k4mmg.ham at gmail.com wrote:
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the Elecraft hand mic?
> 
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using any other type of mike?
> 
> I am not seeking any fancy audio profile.

From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com  Wed Nov  9 18:34:34 2016
From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:34:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Device data retention times
In-Reply-To: <d9d65c73-5e7b-efbb-36fe-4ad80bc7d330@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<d9d65c73-5e7b-efbb-36fe-4ad80bc7d330@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1611091527270.12191@tara.technosattva.org>


      I believe Len is talking about the durability of the "most recent" 
flash, not the number of times the device may be re-flashed.

      For rigs like the K1 and K2, the firmware is literally "burned" into 
the chips by applying enough voltage to open internal fuses.  The data is 
permanent.  For most re-programmable memory, however, the "chemistry" is 
more volatile and the data can degrade over time.  This isn't a problem if 
you can reprogram the chips, but the radio may well outlive the hardware 
and software needed to perform such a reprogramming.

- kb7psg

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Last time I saw numbers on this, it was for the configuration memory on a 
> TAPR TNC-1.
>
> The documentation said 100,000 writes, but it only counted if you actually 
> flipped a bit -- and it was per-bit, not per word or across the entire 
> device.
>
> That means re-flashing with the same firmware shouldn't count at all, since 
> you're writing the same bits into the same words in storage.
>
> I'm sure current parts are better.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 11/9/2016 12:07 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>              I'm constantly doing projects with microcontrollers and
>> programmable logic devices.  I've been doing this long enough that I've got
>> devices that have "lost their memory."  Things that I designed and built
>> decades ago no longer function.  Over time flash will lose its mind, I 
>> guess
>> just like we do.
>>
>> 
>> At some point in time that will happen to our lovely little radios.  From 
>> an
>> operator stand point we can re-flash the firmware as long as the boot code
>> is functional.  Does Elecraft have a provision in the radios that will 
>> allow
>> an update of the bootloader to keep it fresh, so to speak?  That is without
>> sending it back to the factory?
>>
>> 
>> I know a lot of people don't keep stuff forever, but I pretty much do.   In
>> old radios we replace caps, and a few other parts that age.  With
>> programmable chips you need and ISP, unless there is another provision.
>>
>> 
>> 73
>>
>> 
>> Len
>>
>>
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From psaffren at elecraft.com  Wed Nov  9 19:11:38 2016
From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:11:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Device data retention times
In-Reply-To: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>
References: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>
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Hi Len, 

That certainly used to be a problem with older windowed EPROMS.  I know that
it's possible for FLASH cells to flip from cosmic radiation, and cells can
go bad from repeated writing, but the bootroms we employ are loaded into
write protected memory and are usually never re-written.   

There is typically no way to re-flash the bootrom without a suitable
programmer (hardware).   In-field write protection of the bootrom is
critical for a robustness.  

Kindly, 

Paul




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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov  9 20:05:13 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:05:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Device data retention times
In-Reply-To: <1478736698051-7623901.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<1478736698051-7623901.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D302FE51-E147-47F8-8AF0-001FB7251937@widomaker.com>

Don't forget there is a small battery in your K3. How long have you had the radio????

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:11 PM, n6hz <psaffren at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Len, 
> 
> That certainly used to be a problem with older windowed EPROMS.  I know that
> it's possible for FLASH cells to flip from cosmic radiation, and cells can
> go bad from repeated writing, but the bootroms we employ are loaded into
> write protected memory and are usually never re-written.   
> 
> There is typically no way to re-flash the bootrom without a suitable
> programmer (hardware).   In-field write protection of the bootrom is
> critical for a robustness.  
> 
> Kindly, 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From psaffren at elecraft.com  Wed Nov  9 20:18:48 2016
From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 18:18:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Device data retention times
In-Reply-To: <D302FE51-E147-47F8-8AF0-001FB7251937@widomaker.com>
References: <1fa801d23ac4$d9ff8b90$8dfea2b0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<1478736698051-7623901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<D302FE51-E147-47F8-8AF0-001FB7251937@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <1478740728108-7623903.post@n2.nabble.com>

The battery is for the real time clock and has nothing to do with the flash
on the MCU's. 

-Paul



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From w0mu at w0mu.com  Wed Nov  9 22:31:24 2016
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:31:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FC issue with filters
Message-ID: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>

I am having issues with my K3.  When I change bands and modes the FC 
setting is not the default or * setting.  I keep picking normal and then 
when I change bands it reverts back to some setting that sounds terrible.

This rig was just at Elecraft for updates.  I have looked for settings 
for this but have not found one.

Am I missing something here?  Is this maybe a firmware glitch?

W0MU

From ron at cobi.biz  Wed Nov  9 23:04:15 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:04:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <dc5264af-7e4d-f05f-c649-b1fd3e4ffec6@roadrunner.com>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
	<dc5264af-7e4d-f05f-c649-b1fd3e4ffec6@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <000301d23b07$81450640$83cf12c0$@biz>

I will certainly support Matt's suggestions. They are what has been found
the most effective and natural sounding since the 1930's! The famous Astatic
D-104 mic had this response curve built into its Rochelle Salts crystal
element design. 

A real disadvantage with modern electret elements is that they have a
response curve far too great for optimal "communications" quality. 

The ideal curve used by Astatic for their D-104 is shown here. 

http://www.radiomanual.info/schemi/ACC_microphone/Astatic_TUP9-D104SE_Silver
_Eagle_user.pdf

Note the gradual peak up around 4 kHz. And as Matt noted, you may want to
roll off the low end higher than shown since the energy in that range is
wasted at best and can result in "muddy" reports in some cases. That all
depends upon the receiver at the other end. But the less RF power you use to
transmit tose low frequencies the more you will be putting out in the key
speech range. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
Zilmer
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:36 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings

Best is to eliminate the low (50, 100, 200 Hzbands).  These contribute
nothing to intelligibility, and the MH3 has frequency response below 400 Hz,
so you'd just be wasting energy because of this.  With the low bands at 0dB,
I got reports of muddy audio.

I would also suggest a mid-band boost, say at 1.6 and 2.4 KHz, of 3 to 5 dB.
This will assist intelligibilityin general.

I'm using these settings on a K3, KX3, and on a KX2 with different
microphones, and all of them produce excellent voice audio as reported
on-air.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 11/9/2016 1:28 PM, k4mmg.ham at gmail.com wrote:
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the
Elecraft hand mic?
>
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using any
other type of mike?
>
> I am not seeking any fancy audio profile.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Nov  9 23:20:07 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 23:20:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FC issue with filters
In-Reply-To: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
References: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <a0db1c95-f49b-04f9-2350-15163d6c61f2@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

The passband is per mode, per mode.
You will have better results if you use HiCut/LoCut for SSB and 
SHIFT/WIDTH for CW.

Attempting to us SHIFT/WIDTH for SSB will give you uncertain results 
since the last used settings on a particular band will be restored when 
you go back to that band.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/9/2016 10:31 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> I am having issues with my K3.  When I change bands and modes the FC
> setting is not the default or * setting.  I keep picking normal and then
> when I change bands it reverts back to some setting that sounds terrible.
>
> This rig was just at Elecraft for updates.  I have looked for settings
> for this but have not found one.
>

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Nov 10 00:21:18 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:21:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <000301d23b07$81450640$83cf12c0$@biz>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
	<dc5264af-7e4d-f05f-c649-b1fd3e4ffec6@roadrunner.com>
	<000301d23b07$81450640$83cf12c0$@biz>
Message-ID: <76E3757F-A1AE-4C1E-B488-BBEF84B3322B@wunderwood.org>

That ?ideal curve? assumes an LC receive filter with a roll off on the high (and low) frequencies. That peak is a pre-emphasis on the high end to correct for the receive filters. Modern crystal filters and FIR filters don?t have that roll off, so it is not needed.

Maybe it works for your own voice and that?s great. But it is a choice, not a standard setting.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> I will certainly support Matt's suggestions. They are what has been found
> the most effective and natural sounding since the 1930's! The famous Astatic
> D-104 mic had this response curve built into its Rochelle Salts crystal
> element design. 
> 
> A real disadvantage with modern electret elements is that they have a
> response curve far too great for optimal "communications" quality. 
> 
> The ideal curve used by Astatic for their D-104 is shown here. 
> 
> http://www.radiomanual.info/schemi/ACC_microphone/Astatic_TUP9-D104SE_Silver
> _Eagle_user.pdf
> 
> Note the gradual peak up around 4 kHz. And as Matt noted, you may want to
> roll off the low end higher than shown since the energy in that range is
> wasted at best and can result in "muddy" reports in some cases. That all
> depends upon the receiver at the other end. But the less RF power you use to
> transmit tose low frequencies the more you will be putting out in the key
> speech range. 
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
> Zilmer
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:36 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
> 
> Best is to eliminate the low (50, 100, 200 Hzbands).  These contribute
> nothing to intelligibility, and the MH3 has frequency response below 400 Hz,
> so you'd just be wasting energy because of this.  With the low bands at 0dB,
> I got reports of muddy audio.
> 
> I would also suggest a mid-band boost, say at 1.6 and 2.4 KHz, of 3 to 5 dB.
> This will assist intelligibilityin general.
> 
> I'm using these settings on a K3, KX3, and on a KX2 with different
> microphones, and all of them produce excellent voice audio as reported
> on-air.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
> On 11/9/2016 1:28 PM, k4mmg.ham at gmail.com wrote:
>> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the
> Elecraft hand mic?
>> 
>> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using any
> other type of mike?
>> 
>> I am not seeking any fancy audio profile.
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 01:01:35 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 01:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FC issue with filters
In-Reply-To: <a0db1c95-f49b-04f9-2350-15163d6c61f2@embarqmail.com>
References: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
	<a0db1c95-f49b-04f9-2350-15163d6c61f2@embarqmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> The passband is per mode, per mode.


That would be "The passband is per band, per mode." ?

G.

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Nov 10 01:37:20 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:37:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <76E3757F-A1AE-4C1E-B488-BBEF84B3322B@wunderwood.org>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
	<dc5264af-7e4d-f05f-c649-b1fd3e4ffec6@roadrunner.com>
	<000301d23b07$81450640$83cf12c0$@biz>
	<76E3757F-A1AE-4C1E-B488-BBEF84B3322B@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <21b8074a-cf63-d21f-ed2a-232c0f71c45d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,11/9/2016 9:21 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> That ?ideal curve? assumes an LC receive filter with a roll off on the high (and low) frequencies. That peak is a pre-emphasis on the high end to correct for the receive filters. Modern crystal filters and FIR filters don?t have that roll off, so it is not needed.

That's not true. There's nothing magic about "modern" filters -- filters 
implemented in DSP emulate filters made with physical components. ANY 
filter has skirts that we think of as only amplitude, but they also have 
phase response. Can't have one without the other. It's just that DSP 
filters can be made far more complex, so they can emulate physical 
filters that would be FAR too complex to actually build, so amplitude 
and phase response can be improved.

For ALL communications circuits where speech intelligibility is the 
primary goal, octave-band TXEQ should have the 60, 120, 240 Hz bands set 
for maximum cut, the 500 Hz band set by ear for something like 6-12 dB 
cut, the bands around 2.5-3.5 kHz should be set for 3-6 dB of peaking, 
and all other bands should be set "flat" -- that is, to 0 dB. In 
general, using "boost" EQ more than about 6 dB is a bad idea, because it 
tends to use up headroom and make it more likely that the signal path 
will clip on peaks.

In Elecraft rigs, the IF filters are in DSP. The only crystal filters 
are roofing filters, and they have that name because they protect the 
DSP filters from overload by strong signals near, but outside, the DSP 
filter's passband.
> Maybe it works for your own voice and that?s great. But it is a choice, not a standard setting.

Yes. The settings I've listed are for a generic "flat" microphone, 
without a "tailored" response. Some ham mics, including some Heil and 
Shure models, have a peak around 3 kHz, and these mics should NOT be 
used with an additional 3 kHz peak in TXEQ.

BTW -- Bob Heil did NOT invent that concept. Shure was doing it in the 
earliest days of SSB (the '50s), and the D104 is a pretty old mic too. 
And the other great US mic company in those days was Electro-Voice, 
which was led by Al Kahn, K4FW, who later started Ten Tec when his 
partner, Lou Burroughs, wanted to sell the company and retire. Al was a 
CW man -- I don't know if they ever did any ham mics. :)  But they OWNED 
the market for broadcast mics, and to some extent still do -- their RE20 
is THE prestigious talk show and DJ mic, and their 635 and DO54 were 
wildly popular for reporters in the field.

73, Jim K9YC

From K9SW at comcast.net  Thu Nov 10 01:49:45 2016
From: K9SW at comcast.net (K9SW)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:49:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 output power falls
Message-ID: <21A144E8-2809-4FCB-9E47-95DD3C20EF31@comcast.net>

Maximum power output on my K3 dropped to 12 watts, for no discernible reason.   Any handy hints about what might cause this?  I haven?t yet taken it apart to check voltages, etc.

Dave

From richard at lamont.me.uk  Thu Nov 10 05:13:56 2016
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:13:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
Message-ID: <7c066c99-ab60-9eee-e965-3f3e745b1f9f@lamont.me.uk>

On 09/11/16 21:28, k4mmg.ham at gmail.com wrote:

> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the Elecraft hand mic?
> 
> Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using any other type of mike?

Good intelligibility seems to coincide with having roughly equal power
per unit bandwidth. So look at the waterfall on a convenient WebSDR and
see where the peaks and troughs in your signal are, then tweak
accordingly. There's little point in having anything below 300 Hz unless
you wish to be mistaken for Barry White.

-- 
Richard Lamont G4DYA
<richard at lamont.me.uk>

From ed.n3cw at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 06:45:40 2016
From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:45:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need hints on using K3/K3S with MK2R+ and N1MM
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10669.1478207807.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.10669.1478207807.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <319013D6DED94AEE8F505319E48A0DE1@SHACKXPS>


Hi Joe,
     You posted;

> Since N1MM Classic and N1MM Logger+ can not be installed at the same
> time, I can no longer provide updates/specific support for N1MM
> Classic.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV

I have both N1MM old and new versions installed and running on my computer,
so I was curious after reading what you said. Can you explain further?
--Ed, N3CW--




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From fcady at montana.edu  Thu Nov 10 10:10:26 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:10:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 output power falls
In-Reply-To: <21A144E8-2809-4FCB-9E47-95DD3C20EF31@comcast.net>
References: <21A144E8-2809-4FCB-9E47-95DD3C20EF31@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB0809D1892AEF401D641F23FCAFB80@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Dave,

Check CONFIG:KPA3.  It should be PA nor.

Cheers,

Fred KE7X


for all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com


________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 11:49 PM
To: Elecraft Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 output power falls

Maximum power output on my K3 dropped to 12 watts, for no discernible reason.   Any handy hints about what might cause this?  I haven't yet taken it apart to check voltages, etc.

Dave
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 10:16:09 2016
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <7c066c99-ab60-9eee-e965-3f3e745b1f9f@lamont.me.uk>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
	<7c066c99-ab60-9eee-e965-3f3e745b1f9f@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUk0ZN4VY=ZsjbVAX4NB-zw76HgdPPgmNt=acFsxb1cn2g@mail.gmail.com>

Since I am in the field I can't check, but at some past point, I put a file
in the folder with suggested EQ settings they've been used by many
including WG0AT and found them very useful.

Paul  KB9AVO

On Nov 10, 2016 4:14 AM, "Richard Lamont" <richard at lamont.me.uk> wrote:

> On 09/11/16 21:28, k4mmg.ham at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communication using the
> Elecraft hand mic?
> >
> > Any suggestions on what EQ settings for good SSB communications using
> any other type of mike?
>
> Good intelligibility seems to coincide with having roughly equal power
> per unit bandwidth. So look at the waterfall on a convenient WebSDR and
> see where the peaks and troughs in your signal are, then tweak
> accordingly. There's little point in having anything below 300 Hz unless
> you wish to be mistaken for Barry White.
>
> --
> Richard Lamont G4DYA
> <richard at lamont.me.uk>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Nov 10 10:42:54 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:42:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <7c066c99-ab60-9eee-e965-3f3e745b1f9f@lamont.me.uk>
References: <3400D8C91BC94681AF20B56DB5F266D7@StevePC>
	<7c066c99-ab60-9eee-e965-3f3e745b1f9f@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <25aac356-38a8-e5f5-2474-101254378ee0@audiosystemsgroup.com>


On Thu,11/10/2016 2:13 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> Good intelligibility seems to coincide with having roughly equal power
> per unit bandwidth. So look at the waterfall on a convenient WebSDR and
> see where the peaks and troughs in your signal are, then tweak
> accordingly.

That is NOT a good idea, because speech does not have equal components 
over the transmitted bandwidth.

> There's little point in having anything below 300 Hz unless
> you wish to be mistaken for Barry White.

Right.

73, Jim K9YC


From ka5y at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 15:21:38 2016
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:21:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale - KXPA100 with tuner
Message-ID: <1478809298153-7623914.post@n2.nabble.com>

KXPA100 with tuner factory assembled.  Sold KX3 so not needed.  Excellent
condition works as it should.  $950 shipped.  Paypal preferred.  Please
contact via ka5y at yahoo.com

73 Tex
ka5y



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From w0mu at w0mu.com  Thu Nov 10 21:03:42 2016
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:03:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FC issue with filters
In-Reply-To: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
References: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <4b2df789-b52c-430e-22a2-2316256b8ae7@w0mu.com>

I think I have solved this.  I sent all the firmware to the radio again 
and the radio is behaving like my other K3.


On 11/9/2016 8:31 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> I am having issues with my K3.  When I change bands and modes the FC 
> setting is not the default or * setting.  I keep picking normal and 
> then when I change bands it reverts back to some setting that sounds 
> terrible.
>
> This rig was just at Elecraft for updates.  I have looked for settings 
> for this but have not found one.
>
> Am I missing something here?  Is this maybe a firmware glitch?
>
> W0MU
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 21:29:55 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:29:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FC issue with filters
In-Reply-To: <4b2df789-b52c-430e-22a2-2316256b8ae7@w0mu.com>
References: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
	<4b2df789-b52c-430e-22a2-2316256b8ae7@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3WnGhKoGGzegG2FxMsNwc1-HcaCet3W2xVzkbn8u5pWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Busted firmware load will make anything sick, including me.

73, Guy K2AV

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:03 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:

> I think I have solved this.  I sent all the firmware to the radio again
> and the radio is behaving like my other K3.
>
>
> On 11/9/2016 8:31 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>
>> I am having issues with my K3.  When I change bands and modes the FC
>> setting is not the default or * setting.  I keep picking normal and then
>> when I change bands it reverts back to some setting that sounds terrible.
>>
>> This rig was just at Elecraft for updates.  I have looked for settings
>> for this but have not found one.
>>
>> Am I missing something here?  Is this maybe a firmware glitch?
>>
>> W0MU
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Nov 11 02:24:51 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:24:51 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
Message-ID: <201611110724.uAB7Oo59021317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Jim,

In the 1960's I had an EV664 which I used on 2m AM 150w plate 
modulation.  Made very nice AM with my Johnson 6N2.  Mic sat in 
storage shed too long and suffered moisture corrosion.

I even applied to work for EV after college.  Ended up LA working for 
Hughes Aircraft, instead.

73, Ed - KL7UW

Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:37:20 -0800
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings

=====snip
BTW -- Bob Heil did NOT invent that concept. Shure was doing it in the
earliest days of SSB (the '50s), and the D104 is a pretty old mic too.
And the other great US mic company in those days was Electro-Voice,
which was led by Al Kahn, K4FW, who later started Ten Tec when his
partner, Lou Burroughs, wanted to sell the company and retire. Al was a
CW man -- I don't know if they ever did any ham mics. :)  But they OWNED
the market for broadcast mics, and to some extent still do -- their RE20
is THE prestigious talk show and DJ mic, and their 635 and DO54 were
wildly popular for reporters in the field.

73, Jim K9YC


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag Business e-mail:
     dubususa at gmail.com 


From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Fri Nov 11 08:50:23 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:50:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
Message-ID: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>

To prevent static discharge problems with my computers, I have a bare 
ground wire attached to the side of my desk. I touch it when I first sit 
down. In the winter, it does draw a spark. Most computers are not well 
designed or protected.

That said, I had no idea the K3 was susceptible to ESD - via the K-Pod.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

From pincon at erols.com  Fri Nov 11 09:16:17 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:16:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
In-Reply-To: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
References: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>

Yes, but they typically DO use a three wire (case at ground) power cord.
I make it a point to touch the metal side of the computer before anything
else.

A couple other recommendations would be to buy a cheap digital humidity
indicator and put one or more humidifiers* around the house.

I'm not sure what is the ideal humidity level, but our house here in
Virginia it would get down under 30% which results in lots of sparks AND
split fingers.

I try to get it nearer to 50% which seems to help both those conditions.

73, Charlie k3ICH

*I don't recommend  the old fashioned steam units which simply have two
electrodes immersed in water such that the steam is created from the
electric current between them.  Obviously, pure laboratory H2O won't work,
but a pinch of salt in the water makes the house lights dim (HI), neither of
which is a desirable situation.   I don't like the ultrasonic units either
because for some reason, they caused a lot of dust to be deposited on our
flat screen TV.  My opinion is that the best types are the ones that use a
wick element and fan to put moisture in the air.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:50 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge

To prevent static discharge problems with my computers, I have a bare ground
wire attached to the side of my desk. I touch it when I first sit down. In
the winter, it does draw a spark. Most computers are not well designed or
protected.

That said, I had no idea the K3 was susceptible to ESD - via the K-Pod.

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From crustacean at brig-elec.com  Fri Nov 11 09:24:04 2016
From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:24:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 audio muting during RS232 communications
Message-ID: <1478874244.3088.15.camel@arabica>

Hello,

Last night I was trying to use my KX3 with 2M module to decode weather
satellite images.  I have been working at this for a while now with very
limited success.  I am using Gnome predict to find the satellites and
control the radio using rigctld.  I am using xwxtoimg to decode the
sounds coming off the radio.  The antenna is a Quadrifilar Helix
antenna.  Often I will get a very noisy picture, with what appear to be
clouds near the middle and increasing noise toward the top and bottom
edge.  I have the FM deviation as high as it will go in the menu.
Finally last night I was near(life is busy, usually I set it up and get
called away) the radio as a satellite was entering the horizon so I
unplugged the radio from the computer and listened.  I could very
clearly hear the signal, but as the satellite got closer and closer to
over head as shown on gnome predict the audio started muting.  It seemed
to mute as the frequency was being adjusted by gnome predict.  By
default the frequency is adjusted every 1 second.  When I changed it to
every 2 seconds it seemed to get better.  Any idea why this is happening
and is there any sort of workaround?  It doesn't seem to happen until
there is a strong signal.  The software seems to be continuously
adjusting the radio's frequency even well before the satellite comes
into view and the static doesn't mute.  Incidentally, initially I think
squelch was set to a 3, I ended up setting it to 0.

Any ideas?

What is the theoretical maximum deviation for FM this module can do?  Be
helpful for this kind of thing to widen it up more...

Incidentally, the satellites transmit in the vicinity of 137MHz.

From ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca  Fri Nov 11 11:50:35 2016
From: ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca (Mike Smith VE9AA)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:50:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD and SO2V
Message-ID: <001f01d23c3b$b9f03570$2dd0a050$@nbnet.nb.ca>

Can the K-POD be used to tune the 2nd receiver in SO2V mode, say in a
contest?

 

I own an older K3 with the 2nd receiver, but have only used it a couple
times and it remains packed away awaiting the next outing, thus the perhaps
silly question.

 

Thanks in advance for the answer.

 

Mike VE9AA

 

Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB

 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Nov 11 11:59:28 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:59:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <201611110724.uAB7Oo59021317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201611110724.uAB7Oo59021317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <f44481a9-e7af-60ac-4422-808a2046dcd8@audiosystemsgroup.com>

As you may know, the 664 and 666 were EV's first "variable-D" mics -- 
the 666 was the pro version, the 664 for "PA." The 666 was known as the 
Buchannon Hammer because Lou Burroughs, co-founder of EV with Al Kahn, 
demonstrated their ruggedness by using one to drive a nail. (EV was in 
Buchannon, MI; Lou taught workshops on microphones, and wrote a great 
text on their use.)

Directional mics have "proximity effect" (bass boost when close to the 
sound source) that results from their construction -- front and rear 
openings to the capsule that cancel sound from the back of the mic. 
Variable-D mics have almost none by virtue of one or more additional 
openings along the "handle" of the mic. The EV RE16, RE20, and RE27 are 
variable-D mics.

73, Jim K9YC

On Thu,11/10/2016 11:24 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Jim,
>
> In the 1960's I had an EV664 which I used on 2m AM 150w plate 
> modulation.  Made very nice AM with my Johnson 6N2.  Mic sat in 
> storage shed too long and suffered moisture corrosion.

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Fri Nov 11 12:02:46 2016
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:02:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
In-Reply-To: <003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
References: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
	<003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <CO2PR16MB01212AEB28670186FF33EBF1BFBB0@CO2PR16MB0121.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

This is a huge problem in Minnesota due to the extreme cold causing 
humidity on the windows and turning to ice.
It is difficult to hit a happy medium between avoiding static and wet 
windows.

As for protecting my  equipment, I have mentioned keeping a grounded 
wrist strap around an Altoids can
by my stuffed chair. When I get up from the chair, I touch the can to 
discharge my static build up.
At the K3, I touch the end of a small resistor that is connected to a 
ground point on the nearby outlet
and protrudes above the face-plate from it's back.

Dick, n0ce


On 11/11/2016 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Yes, but they typically DO use a three wire (case at ground) power cord.
> I make it a point to touch the metal side of the computer before anything
> else.
>
> A couple other recommendations would be to buy a cheap digital humidity
> indicator and put one or more humidifiers* around the house.
>
> I'm not sure what is the ideal humidity level, but our house here in
> Virginia it would get down under 30% which results in lots of sparks AND
> split fingers.
>
> I try to get it nearer to 50% which seems to help both those conditions.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
> *I don't recommend  the old fashioned steam units which simply have two
> electrodes immersed in water such that the steam is created from the
> electric current between them.  Obviously, pure laboratory H2O won't work,
> but a pinch of salt in the water makes the house lights dim (HI), neither of
> which is a desirable situation.   I don't like the ultrasonic units either
> because for some reason, they caused a lot of dust to be deposited on our
> flat screen TV.  My opinion is that the best types are the ones that use a
> wick element and fan to put moisture in the air.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:50 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
>
> To prevent static discharge problems with my computers, I have a bare ground
> wire attached to the side of my desk. I touch it when I first sit down. In
> the winter, it does draw a spark. Most computers are not well designed or
> protected.
>
> That said, I had no idea the K3 was susceptible to ESD - via the K-Pod.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From w0mu at w0mu.com  Fri Nov 11 12:26:28 2016
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:26:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FC issue with filters
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3WnGhKoGGzegG2FxMsNwc1-HcaCet3W2xVzkbn8u5pWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
	<4b2df789-b52c-430e-22a2-2316256b8ae7@w0mu.com>
	<CANckpc3WnGhKoGGzegG2FxMsNwc1-HcaCet3W2xVzkbn8u5pWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7db56c4-e9cd-fd44-1b55-115458515989@w0mu.com>

I called the Elecraft to get some help with this.  After removing the K3 
out of line, removed computer control, amps, tuner etc. The problem was 
gone.

I was running radio control with my logging software.  I found a tab 
where that software was sending the odd FC offsets.

Just like computers, always go back to the most basic configuration 
possible and see if the problem is there if not then start adding in 
pieces until you find the cause.

Thanks for help everyone and as usual the folks at Elecraft were quick 
to call me back and get me on track.

Thanks from an embarrassed K3 owner.

W0MU



On 11/10/2016 7:29 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Busted firmware load will make anything sick, including me.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:03 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com 
> <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think I have solved this.  I sent all the firmware to the radio
>     again and the radio is behaving like my other K3.
>
>
>     On 11/9/2016 8:31 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>
>         I am having issues with my K3.  When I change bands and modes
>         the FC setting is not the default or * setting.  I keep
>         picking normal and then when I change bands it reverts back to
>         some setting that sounds terrible.
>
>         This rig was just at Elecraft for updates.  I have looked for
>         settings for this but have not found one.
>
>         Am I missing something here?  Is this maybe a firmware glitch?
>
>         W0MU
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 11 11:29:04 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:29:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Latest SOTA activation video from Steve, WG0AT
In-Reply-To: <C10FA599-0B9A-41D1-A543-DCA5D19B11BA@gmail.com>
References: <89224528-4960-4898-BA87-0D2EE846477C@gmail.com>
	<B7836921-65B0-4A37-950D-5509541BF93F@elecraft.com>
	<C10FA599-0B9A-41D1-A543-DCA5D19B11BA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56F8B928-2D06-433C-98D1-AB7FA10FF43B@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

Here's Steve's latest mountain-top expedition video:

    https://youtu.be/HkeZhnJo1g4

73,
Wayne
N6KR







From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 11 11:26:45 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:26:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FYI:  20 and 17 m wide open from US to EU this morning
Message-ID: <2A32672F-6A00-4D6D-9508-8129F6FB4062@elecraft.com>

Working all kinds of DX on both bands.

Have fun!

Wayne
N6KR


From john at kn5l.net  Fri Nov 11 12:13:07 2016
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 11:13:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <201611110724.uAB7Oo59021317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201611110724.uAB7Oo59021317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <b2917911-a019-4ddd-7da4-b9016ed50457@kn5l.net>

A K3/P3 can be used to measure the KX3 SSB TX bandpass. The process is
to speak random words for several seconds while monitoring with a P3 in
"Peak" mode. After about 30 seconds the display will stabilize.

The K3 filter width is 2.1 KHz 350 - 2450

Here are some measurements:
http://kn5l.net/KX3-TxEq/

John KN5L

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 12:55:15 2016
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 11:55:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FYI: 20 and 17 m wide open from US to EU this morning
In-Reply-To: <2A32672F-6A00-4D6D-9508-8129F6FB4062@elecraft.com>
References: <2A32672F-6A00-4D6D-9508-8129F6FB4062@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4bykSC4hAUZ2CQkE23sJh7U23wgyLxL-pMiQ_UmZDTm-g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Wayne! Hope it continues through the weekend.

On Nov 11, 2016 11:32 AM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Working all kinds of DX on both bands.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From sancho at frawg.org  Fri Nov 11 12:58:23 2016
From: sancho at frawg.org (sancho)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FYI: 20 and 17 m wide open from US to EU this morning
In-Reply-To: <2A32672F-6A00-4D6D-9508-8129F6FB4062@elecraft.com>
References: <2A32672F-6A00-4D6D-9508-8129F6FB4062@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <3846089F-7A8D-4761-A8AE-F493D838F03B@frawg.org>

We should get some openings on 10 m in a bit also... Activity on PropNET and WSPRnet already showing US transcon links. Might listen down into CW segment in a few...

Jack - KD4IZ
Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:26, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Working all kinds of DX on both bands.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 11 13:44:54 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:44:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite + SDRPlay: Panadapter for the KX2 and KX3!
Message-ID: <6FE0369E95994701A0B5206C9DD0E94A@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hello,
There is a new release of Win4K3Suite that allows integration of the SDRPlay RSP (Radio Spectrum Processor) with Win4K3 and the Elecraft KX2 and KX3.  This new solution provides a easy to use 1.8MHz bandwidth Panadapter with no need for a sound card. Please note that you WILL need a transmit receive switch such as the MFJ 1708 to prevent damage to the SDRPlay.  To see the KX2 in operation with the SDRPlay please check out the latest Win4K3Suite video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxJq-aQivGk
Win4K3Suite turns your KX2 and KX3 into a powerful base station allowing the use of the KXPA100 and even the KPA500 and KAT500.  There is full support for band switching without the need for additional hardware.
In addition, Win4K3Suite is a trouble free alternative to port sharing applications with it's built in virtual serial port connections.  You can connect any software or hardware that supports CAT commands for the K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2.  It's like having 5 radios available at any time.
You can check out some reviews of the port sharing and other aspects here: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214 and download the software from va2fsq.com
There is a free full featured 30 day trial.  Please contact me if you have tried this in the past and would like an extension on your trial.
Thanks very much for your continued support.
73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From w0tq at w0tq.com  Fri Nov 11 14:21:58 2016
From: w0tq at w0tq.com (W0TQ)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:21:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - Elecraft KXPD3
Message-ID: <172651c2-02f2-70b4-4ad5-44d46120aed1@w0tq.com>

Elecraft KXPD3 Iambic Paddle, like new with spring kits and tool as 
shipped. About a year old, but very low use.  $100 shipped

Pls contact off list if interested

Lou W0TQ

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Nov 11 14:23:53 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 11:23:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
In-Reply-To: <003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
References: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
	<003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <a5e9653c-c0af-74d8-ac5b-38c2ec8115bf@foothill.net>

Hmmm ... not uncommon for our relative humidity to be in single digits, 
and it's very often less than 20%.  I never get shocked by static 
discharge.  However, when we lived in Auburn CA with numbers in the 30 
to 50% range, it happened all the time.  There must be more to it than 
water vapor.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/11/2016 6:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

> I'm not sure what is the ideal humidity level, but our house here in
> Virginia it would get down under 30% which results in lots of sparks AND
> split fingers.
>
> I try to get it nearer to 50% which seems to help both those conditions.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Fri Nov 11 16:18:51 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 14:18:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FC issue with filters
In-Reply-To: <a7db56c4-e9cd-fd44-1b55-115458515989@w0mu.com>
References: <988599c8-7e52-b1f4-88e9-d207caa4b1b4@w0mu.com>
	<4b2df789-b52c-430e-22a2-2316256b8ae7@w0mu.com>
	<CANckpc3WnGhKoGGzegG2FxMsNwc1-HcaCet3W2xVzkbn8u5pWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<a7db56c4-e9cd-fd44-1b55-115458515989@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <1478899131819-7623933.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

Now we are cooking. I am glad you found the real problem. There is virtually
0 probability that reloading the same firmware will fix anything. There is
no such thing as a "busted firmware load" except the kind that leaves the
"CPU load" or similar message indicating that the bootloader firmware has
detected that the main software is faulty. This is typically caused by
either a power failure, communications interruption or similar problem
during firmware reload. File corruptions on the PC are extremely rare and
should it happen, the bootloader will detect that, too.

AB2TC - Knut


w0mu wrote
> I called the Elecraft to get some help with this.  After removing the K3 
> out of line, removed computer control, amps, tuner etc. The problem was 
> gone.
> 
> I was running radio control with my logging software.  I found a tab 
> where that software was sending the odd FC offsets.
> 
> Just like computers, always go back to the most basic configuration 
> possible and see if the problem is there if not then start adding in 
> pieces until you find the cause.
> 
> Thanks for help everyone and as usual the folks at Elecraft were quick 
> to call me back and get me on track.
> 
> Thanks from an embarrassed K3 owner.
> 
> W0MU
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/10/2016 7:29 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> Busted firmware load will make anything sick, including me.
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>





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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 11 17:23:58 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 22:23:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit EQ Settings
In-Reply-To: <b2917911-a019-4ddd-7da4-b9016ed50457@kn5l.net>
References: <201611110724.uAB7Oo59021317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
	<b2917911-a019-4ddd-7da4-b9016ed50457@kn5l.net>
Message-ID: <1418377372.2098845.1478903038335@mail.yahoo.com>

These two sentences contain all of the phonemes (sounds) of the English language and I have found them  useful in adjusting things:

"Joe took father's shoe bench out."

"She was waiting at my lawn."

Al  W6LX




>> The process is to speak random words for several seconds while monitoring 

>> with a P3 in "Peak" mode. After about 30 seconds the display will stabilize.

From rick at tavan.com  Fri Nov 11 18:13:48 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 15:13:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD and SO2V
In-Reply-To: <001f01d23c3b$b9f03570$2dd0a050$@nbnet.nb.ca>
References: <001f01d23c3b$b9f03570$2dd0a050$@nbnet.nb.ca>
Message-ID: <CANVONA++61n9Bi3x7g3470VFkf6zK5E3qgdeO4_eTqtYjEiSHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Most certainly! K*Pod has a three-position rocker switch that assigns the
knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT. If the second rx is enabled and the K*Pod
rocker is in the VFO B position, the pod knob tunes the second rx, even if
you're not presently listening to it. That's exactly how I operated SS last
weekend and found it relaxing to be able to move my left hand only a few
inches to the left to tune the sub. Go for it!

BTW, I use N1MM Logger which, like some other loggers, uses the tilde key
to turn the sub on and off when in SO2V mode. That's even closer to hand
than the K*Pod. But if you use a logger that doesn't implement that
convention, it would be handy to program a pod button, probably F8 or maybe
F4, to toggle the sub off and on.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

> Can the K-POD be used to tune the 2nd receiver in SO2V mode, say in a
> contest?
>
>
>
> I own an older K3 with the 2nd receiver, but have only used it a couple
> times and it remains packed away awaiting the next outing, thus the perhaps
> silly question.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for the answer.
>
>
>
> Mike VE9AA
>
>
>
> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>
> Keswick Ridge, NB
>
>
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Nov 11 18:46:34 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:46:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
In-Reply-To: <003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
References: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
	<003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <f3bfbe52-1b48-1392-59c6-51a67ba09fa5@triconet.org>

Sounds like a rain forest to me.

On 11/11/2016 7:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> I try to get it nearer to 50% which seems to help both those conditions.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>


From fcady at montana.edu  Fri Nov 11 18:57:00 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 23:57:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB080950BB8AEDF7259A435F23AFBB0@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

We have seen some great macro ideas where a single function key is used to toggle between two different K3 states, e.g. in and out of split, toggling between two AGC THR settings, etc.  Unfortunately, this idea cannot be used (directly) with a KPod button.  Each of the the 16 KPod buttons are dedicated to a single macro and cannot be changed like the function key assignments can.


However, I just twigged onto the thought that you can assign a third macro to be activated by a KPod key that then toggles the macro sequence.  For example, if you use a hold of PF2 to toggle in and out of split, that uses Macro 7 and Macro 8 (say) you can assign SWH47; to Macro 9 and then tap the KPod F1 key to run Macro 7 and then Macro 8 in sequence.


Don't why I didn't think of it before or if I missed it when somebody else mentioned it.


have a good weekend all.

73,

Fred KE7X


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From n3ikq at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 19:56:19 2016
From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 00:56:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [FS] Pelican Storm Case for K3 and P3
References: <814000602.2487074.1478912179034.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <814000602.2487074.1478912179034@mail.yahoo.com>

I have Pelecan iM2700 case that I picked up and re-purposed as a travel case for a K3 + P3 with closed cell foam. I went portable and this case is excess to my needs. Could be used as-is or re-worked into anything. Interior dimensions 22" x 17" x 8". It is tan in color. I expect the best way to ship would be to just wrap it in a lot of plastic wrap and tape. Contact me off list for pictures or to verify shipping costs. I am in MD and would be happy to arrange an agreeable meet up location. New these things are $150, I only want to re-coup my initial investment of $50+any shipping costs. Case is 20"x15" x 8" and 13.5 lbs. Thanks, Rick?

From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 11 20:28:22 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:28:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
In-Reply-To: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
References: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <afeb7272-fe25-830a-a546-a951ffd1d259@elecraft.com>

If the KPOD is causing this due to static discharge, reverse ends on the 
direction of the cable connecting it to the K3S or K3. The wire to pin one of 
our supplied cable is supposed to be cut, but it is possible there is one end 
with a wire still making the connection. (If you are supplying your own cable, 
please make sure pin one is cut on both ends.)

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/11/2016 5:50 AM, Bill wrote:
> That said, I had no idea the K3 was susceptible to ESD - via the K-Pod.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Nov 12 09:18:23 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:18:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EQ settings
Message-ID: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51@nycap.rr.com>

Can EQ, or any other menu settings, degrade or change over time?

I ask, as I keep careful logs of ALL menu settings and have noted some 
changes showing up from time to time. Currently, I make my settings 
manually.

Too bad no one ever picked up the now defunct K3 EZ. Now there was a 
program that really served a purpose.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Nov 12 09:36:56 2016
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 07:36:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
In-Reply-To: <afeb7272-fe25-830a-a546-a951ffd1d259@elecraft.com>
References: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
	<afeb7272-fe25-830a-a546-a951ffd1d259@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1478961416430-7623941.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have a (high quality=$50 or so) antistatic mat on my desk. Slower
discharge. No issues with sparks in the winter. It makes a nice surface as
well.



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From nw0m at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 12 10:38:13 2016
From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:38:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EQ settings
In-Reply-To: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51@nycap.rr.com>
References: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1478965093511-7623942.post@n2.nabble.com>

Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
new Windows 10 laptop.

73, Mitch
NW?M



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From kstover at ac0h.net  Sat Nov 12 11:17:37 2016
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:17:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
In-Reply-To: <003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
References: <b944c8e7-c509-e4a9-24c2-f8ffd4e84c7b@nycap.rr.com>
	<003c01d23c26$2e6bdb90$8b4392b0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <54853bca-452c-8906-caa6-b17bcd243162@ac0h.net>

We have a whole house humidifier.
The default setting is 40%. We run it just up to the point where we 
start to get condensation on windows then back off about 5%. It only 
runs during winter.


On 11/11/2016 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Yes, but they typically DO use a three wire (case at ground) power cord.
> I make it a point to touch the metal side of the computer before anything
> else.
>
> A couple other recommendations would be to buy a cheap digital humidity
> indicator and put one or more humidifiers* around the house.
>
> I'm not sure what is the ideal humidity level, but our house here in
> Virginia it would get down under 30% which results in lots of sparks AND
> split fingers.
>
> I try to get it nearer to 50% which seems to help both those conditions.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
> *I don't recommend  the old fashioned steam units which simply have two
> electrodes immersed in water such that the steam is created from the
> electric current between them.  Obviously, pure laboratory H2O won't work,
> but a pinch of salt in the water makes the house lights dim (HI), neither of
> which is a desirable situation.   I don't like the ultrasonic units either
> because for some reason, they caused a lot of dust to be deposited on our
> flat screen TV.  My opinion is that the best types are the ones that use a
> wick element and fan to put moisture in the air.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:50 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
>
> To prevent static discharge problems with my computers, I have a bare ground
> wire attached to the side of my desk. I touch it when I first sit down. In
> the winter, it does draw a spark. Most computers are not well designed or
> protected.
>
> That said, I had no idea the K3 was susceptible to ESD - via the K-Pod.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 11:47:23 2016
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:47:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
Message-ID: <08433cd0-e3e9-8a3b-d4e6-ec90f15256fa@gmail.com>

I am running a KX3-PX3 set; on the PX3 set for the spectrum in top, 
waterfall on bottom, I note the following oddity: The right side of the 
spectrum display has a green tint to it.

What's up with that?

Is it normal; anyone else see it?

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV



From kbeckman at wi.rr.com  Sat Nov 12 11:48:01 2016
From: kbeckman at wi.rr.com (Kbeckman@wi.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:48:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
References: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51@nycap.rr.com>
	<1478965093511-7623942.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6@dellquadcore>

The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8

http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip

K9GL

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To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ


Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
new Windows 10 laptop.

73, Mitch
NW?M


From n3ikq at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 12:21:30 2016
From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [FS] Pelican Storm Case for K3 and P3
References: <580517904.2769749.1478971290660.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <580517904.2769749.1478971290660@mail.yahoo.com>

Sold. Thanks for the bandwidth! Rick?It is not possible to cheat Ohm's Law. If you try, you will have to answer to the Blue Smoke Monster.

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov 12 12:27:19 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:27:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
In-Reply-To: <58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6@dellquadcore>
References: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51@nycap.rr.com>
	<1478965093511-7623942.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6@dellquadcore>
Message-ID: <1BFB0D7E-E088-4C1C-A7D3-628484F9E03B@wunderwood.org>

The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not be defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 years.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Kbeckman at wi.rr.com <kbeckman at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
> 
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
> 
> K9GL
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> 
> 
> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
> new Windows 10 laptop.
> 
> 73, Mitch
> NW?M
> 
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 12:28:26 2016
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:28:26 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
In-Reply-To: <020e01d23d09$8280e110$8782a330$@frontier.com>
References: <08433cd0-e3e9-8a3b-d4e6-ec90f15256fa@gmail.com>
	<020e01d23d09$8280e110$8782a330$@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <3da943cb-dcf0-c6a2-14d6-b96a1207a465@gmail.com>

That must be it; I am running DATA-A mode, and have the bandwidth maxed 
out; since data-a is USB in my use, it takes the right half of the 
screen because of the frequency range I have it set for; thanks for the 
clue that got me to realize what was going on.

73 de Dave, W5SV

On 11/12/16 11:23, Dale Parfitt wrote:
> Are you referring to the bandwidth green column? If so it just shows you the
> width of your current filter setting.
>
> Dale W4OP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David
> F. Reed
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
>
> I am running a KX3-PX3 set; on the PX3 set for the spectrum in top,
> waterfall on bottom, I note the following oddity: The right side of the
> spectrum display has a green tint to it.
>
> What's up with that?
>
> Is it normal; anyone else see it?
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Nov 12 12:53:17 2016
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (jermo)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:53:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
Message-ID: <sydmvuadtgbhrxxy02thfn2f.1478973197195@email.android.com>


    
Anyone have the source code?


Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> 
Date: 11/12/16  12:27  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ 

The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not be defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 years.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Kbeckman at wi.rr.com <kbeckman at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
> 
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
> 
> K9GL
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> 
> 
> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?? I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
> new Windows 10 laptop.
> 
> 73, Mitch
> NW?M
> 
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From nw0m at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 12 13:00:14 2016
From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:00:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
In-Reply-To: <58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6@dellquadcore>
References: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51@nycap.rr.com>
	<1478965093511-7623942.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6@dellquadcore>
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That's the zipped file that I used.  When you unzip that file the folder is
actually 2.0.0.7.



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From kbeckman at wi.rr.com  Sat Nov 12 13:20:03 2016
From: kbeckman at wi.rr.com (Kbeckman@wi.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:20:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
References: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51@nycap.rr.com><1478965093511-7623942.post@n2.nabble.com><58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6@dellquadcore>
	<1478973614351-7623949.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3552DB8C37174415A89B2752F243C9BE@dellquadcore>

The install says it's 2.0.0.7, but it's actually 2.0.0.8.  If you compare 
the 2 zip files the 2.0.0.8 was created 5/22/2012 and 2.0.0.7 was created 
5/9/2012, the author just neglected to change the number.

http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ2007.zip

The only difference between the 2 is V2.0.0.8 Corrected bug, index error if 
saved MEM count null.

Keith
K9GL




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ


That's the zipped file that I used.  When you unzip that file the folder is
actually 2.0.0.7.


From jim at n7us.net  Sat Nov 12 14:08:29 2016
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:08:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
In-Reply-To: <sydmvuadtgbhrxxy02thfn2f.1478973197195@email.android.com>
References: <sydmvuadtgbhrxxy02thfn2f.1478973197195@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <000001d23d18$280ebe50$782c3af0$@n7us.net>

The developer is N2BC.

73, Jim N7US


-----Original Message-----

    
Anyone have the source code?

-------- Original message --------

The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not be defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 years.

wunder
K6WRU



From n7tb at comcast.net  Sat Nov 12 14:23:02 2016
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:23:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
Message-ID: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>

Hello Group,

 

I am looking for some feedback from those using magnetic loop antennas with
the current band conditions.  I use dipoles or end fed random wires when I
am in the field with my KX3.   When I am at my home, I use a horizontal loop
that is a close to a full wavelength on 80, and a 10-15-20 meter beam.  In
the field I a running max 15w with my KX3 and at home 100W with my KXPA100.


 

I know that mag loops are not as efficient as a dipole and will never
receive or transmit as well because of their compact size as my field
antennas.  I have been toying with the idea of building/buying one for times
when I need a compact antenna for 40-10 meters.  



When I have looked at YouTube videos of folks using magnetic loops, they are
all from a time when band conditions were far better than they are now.

 

Can any of you current magnetic loop antenna users in the group tell me how
they are performing now and what is a realistic expectation as the cycle
continues to drop. I should also say that I am almost exclusively a CW
operator.  I can envision using a mag loop from hotel rooms or other travel
times when I can't get a long wire or a dipole in a tree.

 

Thanks,

 

Terry, N7TB

 

 


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Nov 12 15:18:24 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:18:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>
References: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6fe242a9-b50a-ddb4-f59f-94bee02b6c33@foothill.net>

All the antennas you say you use are E-field antennas, they couple to 
the E-component of the EM wave [which includes your horizontal loop]. 
Mag loops couple to the H-component.  Away from the antenna [far-field], 
the EM-wave has both E and H components orthogonal to each other, and it 
doesn't matter how the wave was launched.

Antenna efficiency is complex.  E-field antennas are strongly affected 
by surroundings, imbalance, and the like because objects in their 
environment have varying conductivities which contributes to their 
inefficiencies.  Mag loops are mostly insensitive to surroundings 
because most of the objects [including me sitting under my Alexloop] 
exhibit a permeability of 1.0 or very close [ferromagnetic metal 
buildings, towers, and railroad tracks excepted].

The radiation resistance of most E-field antennas that hams use is 
fairly high compared to the loss resistance in the wires.  Radiation 
resistance for mag loops is very low, usually measured in the milliohm 
range, and in the general range of the loss resistance in the loop 
conductor.  Thus, loop resistance is a major factor in efficiency or the 
lack of it.

In QRP field settings, my Alexloop [H-field] regularly outperforms the 
E-field Buddipole I had in all the configurations I tried for the BP. 
The resonant loop has a very high Q and suffers from very narrow 
bandwidth [4-10 KHz depending on the band] and must be very carefully 
adjusted after each QSY.  On balance, my loop is quieter than the 
end-fed I also use outside and it has a pronounced null orthogonal to 
the loop plane which can be useful.  The KAT2 takes care of matching the 
end-fed, it's bypassed for the loop and tuning is critical.

As always, life is a series of trade-offs.  I have not found any 
correlation between the solar cycle and antenna choice.  [:-)

You mentioned a KXPA100:  Beware, mag loops exhibit some surprisingly 
high voltages and circulating currents, even at 10-15 W.  There's a 
nifty calculator at

www.66pacific.com/calculators/small_tx_loop_calc.aspx

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/12/2016 11:23 AM, Terry Brown wrote:

> I am looking for some feedback from those using magnetic loop antennas with
> the current band conditions.  I use dipoles or end fed random wires when I
> am in the field with my KX3.   When I am at my home, I use a horizontal loop
> that is a close to a full wavelength on 80, and a 10-15-20 meter beam.  In
> the field I a running max 15w with my KX3 and at home 100W with my KXPA100.

> I know that mag loops are not as efficient as a dipole and will never
> receive or transmit as well because of their compact size as my field
> antennas.  I have been toying with the idea of building/buying one for times
> when I need a compact antenna for 40-10 meters.

> When I have looked at YouTube videos of folks using magnetic loops, they are
> all from a time when band conditions were far better than they are now.

> Can any of you current magnetic loop antenna users in the group tell me how
> they are performing now and what is a realistic expectation as the cycle
> continues to drop. I should also say that I am almost exclusively a CW
> operator.  I can envision using a mag loop from hotel rooms or other travel
> times when I can't get a long wire or a dipole in a tree.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Terry, N7TB
>
>
>
>
>
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>


From RLVZ at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 15:38:26 2016
From: RLVZ at aol.com (RLVZ at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:38:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
Message-ID: <625625.7f37c596.4558d7c2@aol.com>

My K3S with Elecraft USB cable going the radio to  computer worked great on 
my old Windows 7 64-bit computer.  Now I'm trying  to use the same radio 
and same USB cable with another Windows 7 64-bit computer  and cannot get it 
to work as I'm having problems getting the driver  installed.  Some related 
thoughts:
 
1) This Windows 7 64-bit computer cannot  auotmatically find a Driver for 
the USB cable.  I'm, quite sure my  old W.7 computer installed the driver 
automatically without  me downloading it manually.
 
2) Since the new computer cannot find the driver  automatically, from the 
Elecraft website, I downloaded the Driver file: "CDM  v2.12.24 WHQL 
Certified" and then unzipped it to the Documents folder.   (there are 8 files within 
that folder)
 
Using Device Manager, I try to install the new Driver, but  regardless 
where I place the zipped or unzipped "CDM v2.12.24 WHQL Certified"  driver file, 
Device Manager reports that it "cannot find the  driver".
 
Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular file 
I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file needs 
to be placed in a particular  folder?
 
Thanks & 73,
 
Dick- K9OM

From alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 15:54:19 2016
From: alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com (Alan Geller)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:54:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] WG0AT's KX2 matching unit
Message-ID: <B04EA7AC-D6C2-466D-AB90-377DCEC2AB79@yahoo.com>

WRT WG0AT?s video  https://youtu.be/HkeZhnJo1g4 <https://youtu.be/HkeZhnJo1g4>  that Wayne Burdick just put on the group net,
It looks like the ubiquitis and handy BNC to banana plug adapter with a miniature single sided UNUN to the antenna and ground.
I know there is no such thing, but the video only gave a peek. All I know is that it is small, it looks like it has a minimalist matching 
thingis and it works.
If Steve or any other good fellow could tell us what it is, I would be interested. Mine always become more bigger and more complicated.

Cheers,

alan/K6ADG

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Nov 12 16:30:47 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:30:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
In-Reply-To: <625625.7f37c596.4558d7c2@aol.com>
References: <625625.7f37c596.4558d7c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <52395433-90f2-0544-65dd-3e2b138febb0@foothill.net>

I can't "advise what you're doing wrong," but ...

Has Windows assigned two USB connections to the same COM port?  You can 
tell in device mangler.  That's happened to me and I've had to go in and 
change one of the ports to an unused one.  This never happened to me 
under XP.  Apparently, Windows' USB IQ is inversely proportional to 
Windows version #. [:-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/12/2016 12:38 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
>
> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular file
> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file needs
> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>
> Thanks & 73,
>
> Dick- K9OM


From tdanley at centurylink.net  Sat Nov 12 16:34:49 2016
From: tdanley at centurylink.net (Tad Danley)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:34:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] TX audio via N1MM+
Message-ID: <2e90580b-365e-cf38-1c46-86666f5def0d@centurylink.net>

Is there a template for configuring N1MM+ to use with a K3s so that I 
can record TX audio on the fly using the Function keys?

Asking for a friend as I don't (yet) own a K3s, but I know his has 
direct USB connection to the PC so I'm not sure where to start in 
configuring N1MM+ and the K3s.

Thanks and 73,

-- 

Tad Danley, K3TD



From n3ikq at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 16:36:50 2016
From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
References: <2122763465.2871132.1478986610982.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2122763465.2871132.1478986610982@mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry, this ended up being quite long winded! I'm currently building one from a Russian Vacuum Variable Cap from ebay. Pure DC resistance is the biggest challenge as I see it. Even little additional resistance just turns into useless heat in the loop so R needs to be as low as possible. The MFJ mag loop helps in that dept by welding the loop to the variable cap. Since that is out of reach I am going to use one solid piece of copper pipe bent into a circle and then a length of 1" solid copper strap will be soldered to each pipe end and wrap around the ends of the vacuum cap. I figure once a year I should disassemble the copper/vacuum cap connection and clean any oxidation off. I found 6cm aluminum automotive fuel pump mounts on ebay that fit onto the ends of the vacuum caps perfectly providing a mount and allowing the copper strap connection to take place. Email me directly if you are going the vacuum cap route and want to see how I'm doing it. There are two lessons I have learned so far: 1). That Russian vacuum caps are way heaver then I thought. 2): The screw device needs more torque then I originally anticipated. The weight factor just needs to be addressed with a beefier mount. Since it will reside at the top of the loop it will have a high center of gravity and I don't want the wind to knock over a >$200 glass cap! The torque issue just means I need a stronger NEMA17 stepping motor and a 2 amp easy driver board to give it extra current. I imagine when it is cold the grease will stiffen up requiring even more torque. It may come to pass that I will use a gear reduction stepper motor to get the torque I need. I'm tending to figure out the little problems as they crop up! I'm building this one for 100 watt operation as the vacuum cap should be able to handle the voltage. For QRP operation I have found a 2Kv air variable on ebay that (according to the 99pacific calculator) should handle the 10 watt KX2 for portable operation. I'm already starting rev.2 and I haven't even finished the first one yet! Anyway I'm having a hard time finding someone to bend the copper pipe. It takes a rolling tube bender and I don't want to invest $150 at Harbor Freight to use it a few times! Most local garages can't bend 1" pipe. Too small. I need to find a fabrication shop. I could use soft copper and try to make a good circle but I'm a little too OCD for that! Well that's about all I can say so far. I'm sure I'll have more advice as I finally get this thing actually working!?

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 12 17:14:40 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
In-Reply-To: <625625.7f37c596.4558d7c2@aol.com>
References: <625625.7f37c596.4558d7c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7ecbaa8f-dcc9-8f3b-2dd1-18a55ce3769c@embarqmail.com>

Dick,

Since Windows cannot automatically find the new driver file, when you 
get to the window that asks 'How do you want to search for driver 
software', click "Browse my computer for driver software".

In the window that opens, click the 'Browse' button and navigate to 
where you have placed the unzipped file.  Windows should then load that 
file.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 11/12/2016 3:38 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
> My K3S with Elecraft USB cable going the radio to  computer worked great on
> my old Windows 7 64-bit computer.  Now I'm trying  to use the same radio
> and same USB cable with another Windows 7 64-bit computer  and cannot get it
> to work as I'm having problems getting the driver  installed.  Some related
> thoughts:
>
> 1) This Windows 7 64-bit computer cannot  auotmatically find a Driver for
> the USB cable.  I'm, quite sure my  old W.7 computer installed the driver
> automatically without  me downloading it manually.
>
> 2) Since the new computer cannot find the driver  automatically, from the
> Elecraft website, I downloaded the Driver file: "CDM  v2.12.24 WHQL
> Certified" and then unzipped it to the Documents folder.   (there are 8 files within
> that folder)
>
> Using Device Manager, I try to install the new Driver, but  regardless
> where I place the zipped or unzipped "CDM v2.12.24 WHQL Certified"  driver file,
> Device Manager reports that it "cannot find the  driver".
>
> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular file
> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file needs
> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Nov 12 17:15:42 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 14:15:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <2122763465.2871132.1478986610982@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2122763465.2871132.1478986610982.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2122763465.2871132.1478986610982@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9c45724c-bdbe-e11b-77e0-164d530f2020@foothill.net>

Try muffler repair shops.  I think most new ones get the pipe pre-formed 
from the suppliers, but an older one might have the equipment to do it. 
Or, make it octagonal with soldered fittings, there really is no 
discernible difference.

An 18 ft circumference loop with 1" copper pipe will be about 50% 
efficient on 40, with a BW of ~5-6 KHz [Q is about 1,000].  That's close 
to as small as you'd want for 40, just outside the upper limit for 20 
and it will transition to an E-field antenna above 14 MHz, basically it 
becomes "an elevated conductor."  About 5KV across the capacitor @ 100 
W, resonant current will be a bit north of 20 A.

The RF loss-resistance of the pipe will be higher than the DC resistance 
since the RF sees only the outside surface of the pipe.  I'd look into 
some way of getting that cap to the bottom of the loop.  On a 5 ft 
tripod, the top will be close to 11 ft in the air with a big 
"falling-over moment" in the wind.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/12/2016 1:36 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:

> Anyway I'm
> having a hard time finding someone to bend the copper pipe. It takes
> a rolling tube bender and I don't want to invest $150 at Harbor
> Freight to use it a few times! Most local garages can't bend 1" pipe.
> Too small. I need to find a fabrication shop. I could use soft copper
> and try to make a good circle but I'm a little too OCD for that!

From k9ma at sdellington.us  Sat Nov 12 17:37:18 2016
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:37:18 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
Message-ID: <6ba77e8a-23f8-c838-c58f-51d4bdfe4be5@sdellington.us>

The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters, 
from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't changed, nor has the 
supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a previous 
configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem early on, also on 
15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced the 10 W 
module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic band.  Has 
anyone else seen a problem like this?

73,

Scott  K9MA

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From a45wg at sy-edm.com  Sat Nov 12 20:54:59 2016
From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:54:59 +0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
Message-ID: <30E5FA55-D176-44E0-B0B2-699469FA7850@sy-edm.com>

Fellow Elecrafters,
		I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the computer/Software


I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest as of today).

Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
I am using the RIGCat interface.
Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for device confirmation)
K3-A is in DATA-A mode. 

PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)

	QSY Works
	Mode Works
	RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen

But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.

As I have decoding on the Screen I am presuming that the USB cable is receiving Audio from the K3 correctly. 

The output from system_profiler SPAudioDataType yields sensible data?. specifically

Devices:

        Built-in Output:

          Default System Output Device: Yes
          Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
          Output Channels: 2
          Current SampleRate: 48000
          Transport: Built-in

        USB Audio CODEC :

          Default Output Device: Yes
          Manufacturer: Burr-Brown from TI              
          Output Channels: 2
          Current SampleRate: 48000
          Transport: USB

        USB Audio CODEC :

          Default Input Device: Yes
          Input Channels: 2
          Manufacturer: Burr-Brown from TI              
          Current SampleRate: 48000
          Transport: USB

So what am I missing ?

Answers on an electronic postcard please .


Regards

	Tim - A45WG

From wlbaber at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 12 20:58:31 2016
From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:58:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
References: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790@mail.yahoo.com>

My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands are good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts or less to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in February, so long as it doesn't get worse.

73, Will, wj9b

CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:

 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
 
 The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
 suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters, 
 from about 100 W to 85-90.? The other bands haven't
 changed, nor has the 
 supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
 previous 
 configuration does not help.? I had a similar problem
 early on, also on 
 15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
 the 10 W 
 module, but not the KPA3.? 15 seems to be a problematic
 band.? Has 
 anyone else seen a problem like this?
 
 73,
 
 Scott? K9MA
 
 -- 
 Scott? K9MA
 
 k9ma at sdellington.us
 
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 21:01:47 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:01:47 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
In-Reply-To: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<519820687.2947960.1479002311790@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaGjooHNfKFLCSaxjmbtju5LFajqKMj-u5P_vAkWRBGhWw@mail.gmail.com>

Issue not seen on mine. Had it since January 2007 so maybe you have an
issue?
Gary

On Nov 13, 2016 11:59, "WILLIE BABER" <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands are
> good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts or less
> to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in February, so
> long as it doesn't get worse.
>
> 73, Will, wj9b
>
> CWops #1085
> CWA Advisor levels II and III
> http://cwops.org/
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>  Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
>
>  The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
>  suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
>  from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't
>  changed, nor has the
>  supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
>  previous
>  configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem
>  early on, also on
>  15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
>  the 10 W
>  module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic
>  band.  Has
>  anyone else seen a problem like this?
>
>  73,
>
>  Scott  K9MA
>
>  --
>  Scott  K9MA
>
>  k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Sat Nov 12 21:52:57 2016
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:52:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 internal keyer speed limit
Message-ID: <87D38763-BD2A-48C5-A1F4-6FA15E31A6A6@liberty.edu>

I'm curious - why is the upper limit 50 WPM? Not that I could manually send anywhere near this, but shouldn't the KX3 be able to send a pre-recorded message much faster?

Jeff - KG7HDZ

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 12 22:41:55 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:41:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
In-Reply-To: <30E5FA55-D176-44E0-B0B2-699469FA7850@sy-edm.com>
References: <30E5FA55-D176-44E0-B0B2-699469FA7850@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <89251194-aacd-0754-44e9-11eaeed3e2a1@embarqmail.com>

Tim,

Do you have *anything* plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S?  If so, 
that overrides audio from the internal CODEC.

I don't know Apple, but I do know the K3.  Go to your computer's 
soundcard gain and set the slider for the soundcard output to about 2/3 
of maximum.
THEN - during the Fldigi transmit, set the K3S LINE IN level to produce 
4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  That is the 
proper drive level.  Note that for the K3/K3S, this is the NO ALC point.
Adjust the desired power with the power knob.  Ignore the internet 
advice to use the audio level to adjust the power - the K3/K3S is 
different than most transceivers in its power control mechanism.

BTW, you can do those transmit adustments with the K3/K3S in TX TEST 
mode so no RF is generated - keep the airways clean of "tuneup signals".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2016 8:54 PM, a45wg wrote:
> Fellow Elecrafters,
> 		I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the computer/Software
>
>
> I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest as of today).
>
> Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
> I am using the RIGCat interface.
> Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for device confirmation)
> K3-A is in DATA-A mode.
>
> PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)
>
> 	QSY Works
> 	Mode Works
> 	RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen
>
> But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.
>

From dave at ad6a.com  Sat Nov 12 23:06:55 2016
From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:06:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Vox/PTT Precedence
Message-ID: <F9BFBF49-EFD3-4717-9321-C9F88382FEF9@ad6a.com>

Just got a KX2 last week and so far I'm loving it! It's a technological marvel!

I did notice one small thing that irks me though. That is, if I use vox to transmit (I have the vox delay set to 0.5s) and find I want to end the transmission quickly by pressing the manual XMIT button on the rig, the button push is ignored by the rig's firmware. Transmission only ends when the vox times out. 

The vox seems to have a higher priority in the firmware. This could cause a problem when, for example, you are operating the rig in a noisy environment. It's theoretically possible, given enough noise, that the rig could get stuck on transmit forever (or at least until you pull the power or mic cable!). 

Might I suggest (in a future version of the firmware) reversing the vox and PTT precedence in the firmware, so that I can end a vox-started transmission at any time by pressing the XMIT key on the rig?

72 de Dave AD6A

Sent from my ? iPhone 7+

From tbeltran at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 12 23:34:30 2016
From: tbeltran at earthlink.net (Thomas Beltran)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:34:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>
References: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000501d23d67$3a155c90$ae4015b0$@earthlink.net>

Hi Terry - I have two loops: the MFJ 1788 (40-15 meters) and the Ciro
Mazzoni Midi loop (80-20 meters).  

I use the MFJ portable, on a MFJ tripod, and it works well, but better to
answer someone's CQ than trying to call.  The downside is it is limited to
places you can drive up to - it is pretty heavy for its small size.
Interestingly, I use it on 40 meters, where I seem to do better than on the
higher bands.  I used this loop extensively during the last low cycle,
2008-2010, and checked into a 40 meter net every Sunday with good results
most of the time.  The stations were located all over the state.

The Midi is for permanent operation.  It weighs 40 pounds, the loop is made
of 3" diameter thick wall tubing, 6.5 feet in diameter.  I had troubles at
first with the KX3's cat system, but it is working fine with a work-around
(I use the KX3PA100 as a generic amp).  For the past week, I have been
comparing the Midi with my regular antenna, a vertical delta loop with the
apex at 50'.  I've only used the Midi on 40 meters so far, where the Midi is
is typically lower than the loop by less than an S-Unit.  On receive, they
for the most part, identical.    Tom W2CRN



From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Nov 12 23:53:14 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:53:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <a72eaeca-8c43-d165-2332-2b5ab3edcf43@coho.net>

Good Evening,

    The sun has been active for the last week sending a steady hiss of 
ions.  QSB gives an interesting warble to CW communications while the 
aurora makes it sound like you're in a large pool of water.  Picking DX 
out of this mix is always fun.

     For some reason it is getting much easier to gather wood. Somewhere 
around truck load eight I noticed this.  I am sleeping well too.  I took 
a hike today to check out the undergrowth and to see where the elk are 
moving.  More chanterelles in the usual locations.  I need some 
recipes.  The wood gathering also improves my appetite.


Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
      7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From wn3r.us at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 00:15:42 2016
From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (Richard Hayman)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote operation flexibility
Message-ID: <B20D498D-531F-4CB5-92FC-B5D3CD34B8D5@gmail.com>

I am operating my K-3/100, KPA-500, and KAT500 successfully using a K3/0 at my residence with RemoteRig.

I?ve been asked to setup a station in a Public Library MakerSpace. The problem is the antenna and feed line. To keep the cost low, I am hoping to be able to use a PC Laptop runningTRX-Manager and a Remote Rig black box at the MakeSpace.

My question is a simple one. What changes do I need to make to the Remote configuration and jumpers to be compatible with two types of control methods.

At the moment, the TRX-Manager will not turn on the radio. I get two error messages: RTS and CTS are not available. J3 in the Remote Rig ties them together.

The solution needs to be a single configuration at the radio side to support control by both a PC with Control SW at the MakerSpace and the K3/0 at home.

Any help would be appreciated.

73, Dick, WN3R



From glcazzola at alice.it  Sun Nov 13 04:03:53 2016
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:03:53 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] R:  Macro sequencing
Message-ID: <1585ceda395.glcazzola@alice.it>



Fred, can you specify the macro for setting two different options of AGC, for example:
a) thr 10 - slp 5B) thr 6 - slp 12
I would like to set them both on PF2 and on different macros on K-Pod.
I have seen examples on your K3S book that I own  and on ham web pages. I have programmed split+2 on and off on PF1,  and on K-Pod, pwr 100 and pwr 65 (for driving amp), but dont understand how to set these values for AGC in a macro.
ThanksIan IK4EWX


----Messaggio originale----
Da: fcady at montana.edu
Data: 12-nov-2016 0.57
A: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Ogg: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing

We have seen some great macro ideas where a single function key is used to toggle between two different K3 states, e.g. in and out of split, toggling between two AGC THR settings, etc.  Unfortunately, this idea cannot be used (directly) with a KPod button.  Each of the the 16 KPod buttons are dedicated to a single macro and cannot be changed like the function key assignments can.


However, I just twigged onto the thought that you can assign a third macro to be activated by a KPod key that then toggles the macro sequence.  For example, if you use a hold of PF2 to toggle in and out of split, that uses Macro 7 and Macro 8 (say) you can assign SWH47; to Macro 9 and then tap the KPod F1 key to run Macro 7 and then Macro 8 in sequence.


Don't why I didn't think of it before or if I missed it when somebody else mentioned it.


have a good weekend all.

73,

Fred KE7X


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From w7aqk at cox.net  Sun Nov 13 04:41:55 2016
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:41:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
Message-ID: <9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

Terry,

If you have the inclination at all, why not build one!  It's really not all 
that hard to do.  Quite a few years ago I did that, and the thing worked 
pretty well.  I got the info from a QST article from back in the 90's.  The 
hardest part might be finding a proper capacitor for tuning, but if your 
junk box has much in it, you may have that problem solved.  I complicated 
things a bit by adding a small low voltage motor to turn the capacitor.  You 
need to use one that has a very low rpm rate for that, but they are 
available.  Not counting the motor, the whole thing cost lest than $10 to 
build.  I used copper tubing, but you could use coax shield.  I recommend 
copper tubing.

Even though band conditions are rather poor these days, you can still do 
good things with a mag loop--especially on 20 meters.  You may not be able 
to run that amp through it, unless you get a pretty husky capacitor, but 15 
watts is not usually a problem.  You just might be surprised at what you can 
do with one of these things.  They are fun to play with.

73,

Dave W7AQK



From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 13 06:34:27 2016
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:34:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
In-Reply-To: <89251194-aacd-0754-44e9-11eaeed3e2a1@embarqmail.com>
References: <30E5FA55-D176-44E0-B0B2-699469FA7850@sy-edm.com>,
	<89251194-aacd-0754-44e9-11eaeed3e2a1@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0801MB1097CA07C4858E4B91D400C4FABD0@CY1PR0801MB1097.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

In the K3S menus, Have you verified the selection for Mic Select : rear mic, front mic, or line in? Having it set to the wrong input could make same symptoms you experience. Don't ask how I know :-) 

--Kevin (KK4YEL) 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 22:43, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Do you have *anything* plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S?  If so, that overrides audio from the internal CODEC.
> 
> I don't know Apple, but I do know the K3.  Go to your computer's soundcard gain and set the slider for the soundcard output to about 2/3 of maximum.
> THEN - during the Fldigi transmit, set the K3S LINE IN level to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  That is the proper drive level.  Note that for the K3/K3S, this is the NO ALC point.
> Adjust the desired power with the power knob.  Ignore the internet advice to use the audio level to adjust the power - the K3/K3S is different than most transceivers in its power control mechanism.
> 
> BTW, you can do those transmit adustments with the K3/K3S in TX TEST mode so no RF is generated - keep the airways clean of "tuneup signals".
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 11/12/2016 8:54 PM, a45wg wrote:
>> Fellow Elecrafters,
>>        I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the computer/Software
>> 
>> 
>> I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest as of today).
>> 
>> Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
>> I am using the RIGCat interface.
>> Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for device confirmation)
>> K3-A is in DATA-A mode.
>> 
>> PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)
>> 
>>    QSY Works
>>    Mode Works
>>    RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen
>> 
>> But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.
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From sjl219 at optonline.net  Sun Nov 13 09:01:13 2016
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 09:01:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <5322758c.1b72b.1585dfdf1d8.Webtop.47@optonline.net>

My first loop was because of an article I read online that said, "Look 
no further!  Here is all you need: 10 feet 3 inches of 3/4-inch hard 
line, 2 hose clamps, a chassis connector, a little bit of house wire, 
and you could be in business as shown in the photo below"


The darn thing worked incredibly well! ?It was for 40 meters. Here's the 
"starter article" at?http://www.antennex.com/hws/ws0902/hardline.html


This inspired me to build a square loop made of two inch copper pipe 
with a vacuum variable and a 1 rpm 12VDC motor which I switched by 
reversing polarity. ?It was for 20 meters and worked great with QRP.


I finally bought an Alexloop for true portable work.?


73, Stan WB2LQF

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:41 AM, w7aqk wrote:

> Terry,
>
> If you have the inclination at all, why not build one!  It's really 
> not all that hard to do.  Quite a few years ago I did that, and the 
> thing worked pretty well.  I got the info from a QST article from back 
> in the 90's.  The hardest part might be finding a proper capacitor for 
> tuning, but if your junk box has much in it, you may have that problem 
> solved.  I complicated things a bit by adding a small low voltage 
> motor to turn the capacitor.  You need to use one that has a very low 
> rpm rate for that, but they are available.  Not counting the motor, 
> the whole thing cost lest than $10 to build.  I used copper tubing, 
> but you could use coax shield.  I recommend copper tubing.
>
> Even though band conditions are rather poor these days, you can still 
> do good things with a mag loop--especially on 20 meters.  You may not 
> be able to run that amp through it, unless you get a pretty husky 
> capacitor, but 15 watts is not usually a problem.  You just might be 
> surprised at what you can do with one of these things.  They are fun 
> to play with.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
>
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From fcady at montana.edu  Sun Nov 13 10:35:54 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:35:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing
In-Reply-To: <1585ceda395.glcazzola@alice.it>
References: <1585ceda395.glcazzola@alice.it>
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Here ya go.


Toggle AGC THR between 012 and 020
Toggle AGC THR between 012 and 020 by holding M1
Uses Macro 4 and Macro 5 and M1.
Assign the following to Macro 4:

MN074;  Select the AGC THR menu.
MP020;   Set THR to 020;
SWT14;   Tap the MENU switch to exit this menu.
MN110;  Enter the MACRO n menu.
SWT27;  Tap the 5 switch.
SWH21;  Hold M1.  (This assigns M1 to the commands in Macro 5 for the next hold.)
MN255;   Exit menu mode.

MN074;MP020;SWT14;MN110;SWT27;SWH21;MN255;

Assign the following to Macro 5:

MN074;  Select the AGC THR menu.
MP012;   Set THR to 012;
SWT14;  Tap the MENU switch.
MN110;  Enter the MACRO n menu.
SWT24;  Tap the  4 switch.
SWH21;  Hold M1.  (This assigns M1 to the commands in Macro 4 for the next hold.)
MN255;  Exit menu mode.

MN074;MP012;SWT14;MN110;SWT24;SWH21;MN255;


Enter the CONFIG:MACRO x menu and tap  4.
Hold M1 to program it to execute MACRO 4.
Each time you hold M1 the threshold switches between 012 and 020.

Using a K*Pod button to toggle AGC THR.

A K*Pod button cannot directly replace the M1 function key in the Toggle THR macro (above)
but you can use a K*Pod button to activate a macro that holds M1.
SWH21;  Hold M1.

Write this macro to one of the 16 in the K3S/K3 and tap or hold the corresponding K*Pod switch.

Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books see www.elecraft<http://www.elecraft>.com

(Coming soon: "Elecraft K3s, K3, KX3 and P3, PX3 Programming"




________________________________
From: glcazzola at alice.it <glcazzola at alice.it>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 2:03 AM
To: Cady, Fred; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: R: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing


Fred, can you specify the macro for setting two different options of AGC, for example:

a) thr 10 - slp 5
B) thr 6 - slp 12

I would like to set them both on PF2 and on different macros on K-Pod.

I have seen examples on your K3S book that I own  and on ham web pages. I have programmed split+2 on and off on PF1,  and on K-Pod, pwr 100 and pwr 65 (for driving amp), but dont understand how to set these values for AGC in a macro.

Thanks
Ian IK4EWX
----Messaggio originale----
Da: fcady at montana.edu
Data: 12-nov-2016 0.57
A: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Ogg: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing

We have seen some great macro ideas where a single function key is used to toggle between two different K3 states, e.g. in and out of split, toggling between two AGC THR settings, etc.  Unfortunately, this idea cannot be used (directly) with a KPod button.  Each of the the 16 KPod buttons are dedicated to a single macro and cannot be changed like the function key assignments can.


However, I just twigged onto the thought that you can assign a third macro to be activated by a KPod key that then toggles the macro sequence.  For example, if you use a hold of PF2 to toggle in and out of split, that uses Macro 7 and Macro 8 (say) you can assign SWH47; to Macro 9 and then tap the KPod F1 key to run Macro 7 and then Macro 8 in sequence.


Don't why I didn't think of it before or if I missed it when somebody else mentioned it.


have a good weekend all.

73,

Fred KE7X


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From ham at odsgc.net  Sun Nov 13 10:46:14 2016
From: ham at odsgc.net (Jim AC0E)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 09:46:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-EZ
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11869.1479011685.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.11869.1479011685.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1585e5e1570.280a.91274f60ae22af0776e3fe30f1e2796d@odsgc.net>

I have sent Mr. COLEMAN, N2BC,  several emails over the past couple of 
years with regard to K3-EZ.   To which I received no responses.  His QRZ 
page is still up.
I fear he is either no longer interested in amateur radio,  incapacitated 
in some fashion,  or become a silent key.
73 -  Jim AC0E


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>    1. K3 EQ settings (Bill)
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>    5. PX3 question (David F. Reed)
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>   13. Re: K3 EZ (Jim McDonald)
>   14. Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (Terry Brown)
>   15. Re: Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (Fred Jensen)
>   16. K3S USB driver problem (RLVZ at aol.com)
>   17. WG0AT's KX2 matching unit (Alan Geller)
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>   19. TX audio via N1MM+ (Tad Danley)
>   20. Re: Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (rick jones)
>   21. Re: K3S USB driver problem (Don Wilhelm)
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>   23. K3 Low Output on 15 (K9MA)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:18:23 -0500
> From: Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EQ settings
> Message-ID: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51 at nycap.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Can EQ, or any other menu settings, degrade or change over time?
>
> I ask, as I keep careful logs of ALL menu settings and have noted some
> changes showing up from time to time. Currently, I make my settings
> manually.
>
> Too bad no one ever picked up the now defunct K3 EZ. Now there was a
> program that really served a purpose.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 07:36:56 -0700 (MST)
> From: ke9uw <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
> Message-ID: <1478961416430-7623941.post at n2.nabble.com>
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> I have a (high quality=$50 or so) antistatic mat on my desk. Slower
> discharge. No issues with sparks in the winter. It makes a nice surface as
> well.
>
>
>
> -----
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> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:38:13 -0700 (MST)
> From: NW0M <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EQ settings
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> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
> new Windows 10 laptop.
>
> 73, Mitch
> NW?M
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:17:37 -0600
> From: Kevin <kstover at ac0h.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
> Message-ID: <54853bca-452c-8906-caa6-b17bcd243162 at ac0h.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> We have a whole house humidifier.
> The default setting is 40%. We run it just up to the point where we
> start to get condensation on windows then back off about 5%. It only
> runs during winter.
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> Yes, but they typically DO use a three wire (case at ground) power cord.
>> I make it a point to touch the metal side of the computer before anything
>> else.
>>
>> A couple other recommendations would be to buy a cheap digital humidity
>> indicator and put one or more humidifiers* around the house.
>>
>> I'm not sure what is the ideal humidity level, but our house here in
>> Virginia it would get down under 30% which results in lots of sparks AND
>> split fingers.
>>
>> I try to get it nearer to 50% which seems to help both those conditions.
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>
>> *I don't recommend  the old fashioned steam units which simply have two
>> electrodes immersed in water such that the steam is created from the
>> electric current between them.  Obviously, pure laboratory H2O won't work,
>> but a pinch of salt in the water makes the house lights dim (HI), neither of
>> which is a desirable situation.   I don't like the ultrasonic units either
>> because for some reason, they caused a lot of dust to be deposited on our
>> flat screen TV.  My opinion is that the best types are the ones that use a
>> wick element and fan to put moisture in the air.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:50 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
>>
>> To prevent static discharge problems with my computers, I have a bare ground
>> wire attached to the side of my desk. I touch it when I first sit down. In
>> the winter, it does draw a spark. Most computers are not well designed or
>> protected.
>>
>> That said, I had no idea the K3 was susceptible to ESD - via the K-Pod.
>>
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> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:47:23 -0600
> From: "David F. Reed" <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
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> I am running a KX3-PX3 set; on the PX3 set for the spectrum in top,
> waterfall on bottom, I note the following oddity: The right side of the
> spectrum display has a green tint to it.
>
> What's up with that?
>
> Is it normal; anyone else see it?
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:48:01 -0600
> From: "Kbeckman at wi.rr.com" <kbeckman at wi.rr.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6 at dellquadcore>
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> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
>
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
>
> K9GL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>
>
> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
> new Windows 10 laptop.
>
> 73, Mitch
> NW?M
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rick jones <n3ikq at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [FS] Pelican Storm Case for K3 and P3
> Message-ID: <580517904.2769749.1478971290660 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> Sold. Thanks for the bandwidth! Rick?It is not possible to cheat Ohm's Law. 
> If you try, you will have to answer to the Blue Smoke Monster.
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:27:19 -0800
> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <1BFB0D7E-E088-4C1C-A7D3-628484F9E03B at wunderwood.org>
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>
> The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not be 
> defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 
> years.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Kbeckman at wi.rr.com <kbeckman at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
>>
>> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
>>
>> K9GL
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
>> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>>
>>
>> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
>> new Windows 10 laptop.
>>
>> 73, Mitch
>> NW?M
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:28:26 -0600
> From: "David F. Reed" <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>
> To: parinc1 at frontier.com, KX3 at yahoogroups.com,	elecraft Reflector
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question
> Message-ID: <3da943cb-dcf0-c6a2-14d6-b96a1207a465 at gmail.com>
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>
> That must be it; I am running DATA-A mode, and have the bandwidth maxed
> out; since data-a is USB in my use, it takes the right half of the
> screen because of the frequency range I have it set for; thanks for the
> clue that got me to realize what was going on.
>
> 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> On 11/12/16 11:23, Dale Parfitt wrote:
>> Are you referring to the bandwidth green column? If so it just shows you the
>> width of your current filter setting.
>>
>> Dale W4OP
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David
>> F. Reed
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:47 AM
>> To: elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
>>
>> I am running a KX3-PX3 set; on the PX3 set for the spectrum in top,
>> waterfall on bottom, I note the following oddity: The right side of the
>> spectrum display has a green tint to it.
>>
>> What's up with that?
>>
>> Is it normal; anyone else see it?
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:53:17 -0500
> From: jermo <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> To: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>, Elecraft Reflector
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <sydmvuadtgbhrxxy02thfn2f.1478973197195 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
> Anyone have the source code?
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> Date: 11/12/16  12:27  (GMT-05:00)
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>
> The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not be 
> defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 
> years.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Kbeckman at wi.rr.com <kbeckman at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
>>
>> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
>>
>> K9GL
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
>> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>>
>>
>> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?? I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on a
>> new Windows 10 laptop.
>>
>> 73, Mitch
>> NW?M
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:00:14 -0700 (MST)
> From: NW0M <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <1478973614351-7623949.post at n2.nabble.com>
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>
> That's the zipped file that I used.  When you unzip that file the folder is
> actually 2.0.0.7.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-EQ-settings-tp7623940p7623949.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:20:03 -0600
> From: "Kbeckman at wi.rr.com" <kbeckman at wi.rr.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <3552DB8C37174415A89B2752F243C9BE at dellquadcore>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The install says it's 2.0.0.7, but it's actually 2.0.0.8.  If you compare
> the 2 zip files the 2.0.0.8 was created 5/22/2012 and 2.0.0.7 was created
> 5/9/2012, the author just neglected to change the number.
>
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ2007.zip
>
> The only difference between the 2 is V2.0.0.8 Corrected bug, index error if
> saved MEM count null.
>
> Keith
> K9GL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>
>
> That's the zipped file that I used.  When you unzip that file the folder is
> actually 2.0.0.7.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:08:29 -0600
> From: "Jim McDonald" <jim at n7us.net>
> To: "'jermo'" <jermo at carolinaheli.com>,	"'Walter Underwood'"
> 	<wunder at wunderwood.org>,	"'Elecraft Reflector'"
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <000001d23d18$280ebe50$782c3af0$@n7us.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
>
> The developer is N2BC.
>
> 73, Jim N7US
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Anyone have the source code?
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not be 
> defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 
> years.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:23:02 -0800
> From: "Terry Brown" <n7tb at comcast.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello Group,
>
>
>
> I am looking for some feedback from those using magnetic loop antennas with
> the current band conditions.  I use dipoles or end fed random wires when I
> am in the field with my KX3.   When I am at my home, I use a horizontal loop
> that is a close to a full wavelength on 80, and a 10-15-20 meter beam.  In
> the field I a running max 15w with my KX3 and at home 100W with my KXPA100.
>
>
>
>
> I know that mag loops are not as efficient as a dipole and will never
> receive or transmit as well because of their compact size as my field
> antennas.  I have been toying with the idea of building/buying one for times
> when I need a compact antenna for 40-10 meters.
>
>
>
> When I have looked at YouTube videos of folks using magnetic loops, they are
> all from a time when band conditions were far better than they are now.
>
>
>
> Can any of you current magnetic loop antenna users in the group tell me how
> they are performing now and what is a realistic expectation as the cycle
> continues to drop. I should also say that I am almost exclusively a CW
> operator.  I can envision using a mag loop from hotel rooms or other travel
> times when I can't get a long wire or a dipole in a tree.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Terry, N7TB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:18:24 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <6fe242a9-b50a-ddb4-f59f-94bee02b6c33 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> All the antennas you say you use are E-field antennas, they couple to
> the E-component of the EM wave [which includes your horizontal loop].
> Mag loops couple to the H-component.  Away from the antenna [far-field],
> the EM-wave has both E and H components orthogonal to each other, and it
> doesn't matter how the wave was launched.
>
> Antenna efficiency is complex.  E-field antennas are strongly affected
> by surroundings, imbalance, and the like because objects in their
> environment have varying conductivities which contributes to their
> inefficiencies.  Mag loops are mostly insensitive to surroundings
> because most of the objects [including me sitting under my Alexloop]
> exhibit a permeability of 1.0 or very close [ferromagnetic metal
> buildings, towers, and railroad tracks excepted].
>
> The radiation resistance of most E-field antennas that hams use is
> fairly high compared to the loss resistance in the wires.  Radiation
> resistance for mag loops is very low, usually measured in the milliohm
> range, and in the general range of the loss resistance in the loop
> conductor.  Thus, loop resistance is a major factor in efficiency or the
> lack of it.
>
> In QRP field settings, my Alexloop [H-field] regularly outperforms the
> E-field Buddipole I had in all the configurations I tried for the BP.
> The resonant loop has a very high Q and suffers from very narrow
> bandwidth [4-10 KHz depending on the band] and must be very carefully
> adjusted after each QSY.  On balance, my loop is quieter than the
> end-fed I also use outside and it has a pronounced null orthogonal to
> the loop plane which can be useful.  The KAT2 takes care of matching the
> end-fed, it's bypassed for the loop and tuning is critical.
>
> As always, life is a series of trade-offs.  I have not found any
> correlation between the solar cycle and antenna choice.  [:-)
>
> You mentioned a KXPA100:  Beware, mag loops exhibit some surprisingly
> high voltages and circulating currents, even at 10-15 W.  There's a
> nifty calculator at
>
> www.66pacific.com/calculators/small_tx_loop_calc.aspx
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/12/2016 11:23 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>
>> I am looking for some feedback from those using magnetic loop antennas with
>> the current band conditions.  I use dipoles or end fed random wires when I
>> am in the field with my KX3.   When I am at my home, I use a horizontal loop
>> that is a close to a full wavelength on 80, and a 10-15-20 meter beam.  In
>> the field I a running max 15w with my KX3 and at home 100W with my KXPA100.
>
>> I know that mag loops are not as efficient as a dipole and will never
>> receive or transmit as well because of their compact size as my field
>> antennas.  I have been toying with the idea of building/buying one for times
>> when I need a compact antenna for 40-10 meters.
>
>> When I have looked at YouTube videos of folks using magnetic loops, they are
>> all from a time when band conditions were far better than they are now.
>
>> Can any of you current magnetic loop antenna users in the group tell me how
>> they are performing now and what is a realistic expectation as the cycle
>> continues to drop. I should also say that I am almost exclusively a CW
>> operator.  I can envision using a mag loop from hotel rooms or other travel
>> times when I can't get a long wire or a dipole in a tree.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry, N7TB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:38:26 -0500
> From: RLVZ at aol.com
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
> Message-ID: <625625.7f37c596.4558d7c2 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> My K3S with Elecraft USB cable going the radio to  computer worked great on
> my old Windows 7 64-bit computer.  Now I'm trying  to use the same radio
> and same USB cable with another Windows 7 64-bit computer  and cannot get it
> to work as I'm having problems getting the driver  installed.  Some related
> thoughts:
>
> 1) This Windows 7 64-bit computer cannot  auotmatically find a Driver for
> the USB cable.  I'm, quite sure my  old W.7 computer installed the driver
> automatically without  me downloading it manually.
>
> 2) Since the new computer cannot find the driver  automatically, from the
> Elecraft website, I downloaded the Driver file: "CDM  v2.12.24 WHQL
> Certified" and then unzipped it to the Documents folder.   (there are 8 
> files within
> that folder)
>
> Using Device Manager, I try to install the new Driver, but  regardless
> where I place the zipped or unzipped "CDM v2.12.24 WHQL Certified"  driver 
> file,
> Device Manager reports that it "cannot find the  driver".
>
> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular file
> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file needs
> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>
> Thanks & 73,
>
> Dick- K9OM
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:54:19 -0800
> From: Alan Geller <alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] WG0AT's KX2 matching unit
> Message-ID: <B04EA7AC-D6C2-466D-AB90-377DCEC2AB79 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> WRT WG0AT?s video  https://youtu.be/HkeZhnJo1g4 
> <https://youtu.be/HkeZhnJo1g4>  that Wayne Burdick just put on the group net,
> It looks like the ubiquitis and handy BNC to banana plug adapter with a 
> miniature single sided UNUN to the antenna and ground.
> I know there is no such thing, but the video only gave a peek. All I know 
> is that it is small, it looks like it has a minimalist matching
> thingis and it works.
> If Steve or any other good fellow could tell us what it is, I would be 
> interested. Mine always become more bigger and more complicated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> alan/K6ADG
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:30:47 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
> Message-ID: <52395433-90f2-0544-65dd-3e2b138febb0 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> I can't "advise what you're doing wrong," but ...
>
> Has Windows assigned two USB connections to the same COM port?  You can
> tell in device mangler.  That's happened to me and I've had to go in and
> change one of the ports to an unused one.  This never happened to me
> under XP.  Apparently, Windows' USB IQ is inversely proportional to
> Windows version #. [:-)
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/12/2016 12:38 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular file
>> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file needs
>> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>>
>> Thanks & 73,
>>
>> Dick- K9OM
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:34:49 -0500
> From: Tad Danley <tdanley at centurylink.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] TX audio via N1MM+
> Message-ID: <2e90580b-365e-cf38-1c46-86666f5def0d at centurylink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Is there a template for configuring N1MM+ to use with a K3s so that I
> can record TX audio on the fly using the Function keys?
>
> Asking for a friend as I don't (yet) own a K3s, but I know his has
> direct USB connection to the PC so I'm not sure where to start in
> configuring N1MM+ and the K3s.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> --
>
> Tad Danley, K3TD
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rick jones <n3ikq at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <2122763465.2871132.1478986610982 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Sorry, this ended up being quite long winded! I'm currently building one 
> from a Russian Vacuum Variable Cap from ebay. Pure DC resistance is the 
> biggest challenge as I see it. Even little additional resistance just turns 
> into useless heat in the loop so R needs to be as low as possible. The MFJ 
> mag loop helps in that dept by welding the loop to the variable cap. Since 
> that is out of reach I am going to use one solid piece of copper pipe bent 
> into a circle and then a length of 1" solid copper strap will be soldered 
> to each pipe end and wrap around the ends of the vacuum cap. I figure once 
> a year I should disassemble the copper/vacuum cap connection and clean any 
> oxidation off. I found 6cm aluminum automotive fuel pump mounts on ebay 
> that fit onto the ends of the vacuum caps perfectly providing a mount and 
> allowing the copper strap connection to take place. Email me directly if 
> you are going the vacuum cap route and want to see how I'm doing it. There 
> are two lessons I have lea
>  rned so far: 1). That Russian vacuum caps are way heaver then I thought. 
>  2): The screw device needs more torque then I originally anticipated. The 
>  weight factor just needs to be addressed with a beefier mount. Since it 
>  will reside at the top of the loop it will have a high center of gravity 
>  and I don't want the wind to knock over a >$200 glass cap! The torque issue 
>  just means I need a stronger NEMA17 stepping motor and a 2 amp easy driver 
>  board to give it extra current. I imagine when it is cold the grease will 
>  stiffen up requiring even more torque. It may come to pass that I will use 
>  a gear reduction stepper motor to get the torque I need. I'm tending to 
>  figure out the little problems as they crop up! I'm building this one for 
>  100 watt operation as the vacuum cap should be able to handle the voltage. 
>  For QRP operation I have found a 2Kv air variable on ebay that (according 
>  to the 99pacific calculator) should handle the 10 watt KX2 for portable 
>  operation. I'm already startin
>  g rev.2 and I haven't even finished the first one yet! Anyway I'm having a 
>  hard time finding someone to bend the copper pipe. It takes a rolling tube 
>  bender and I don't want to invest $150 at Harbor Freight to use it a few 
>  times! Most local garages can't bend 1" pipe. Too small. I need to find a 
>  fabrication shop. I could use soft copper and try to make a good circle but 
>  I'm a little too OCD for that! Well that's about all I can say so far. I'm 
>  sure I'll have more advice as I finally get this thing actually working!?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:14:40 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: RLVZ at aol.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
> Message-ID: <7ecbaa8f-dcc9-8f3b-2dd1-18a55ce3769c at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Dick,
>
> Since Windows cannot automatically find the new driver file, when you
> get to the window that asks 'How do you want to search for driver
> software', click "Browse my computer for driver software".
>
> In the window that opens, click the 'Browse' button and navigate to
> where you have placed the unzipped file.  Windows should then load that
> file.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:38 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
>> My K3S with Elecraft USB cable going the radio to  computer worked great on
>> my old Windows 7 64-bit computer.  Now I'm trying  to use the same radio
>> and same USB cable with another Windows 7 64-bit computer  and cannot get it
>> to work as I'm having problems getting the driver  installed.  Some related
>> thoughts:
>>
>> 1) This Windows 7 64-bit computer cannot  auotmatically find a Driver for
>> the USB cable.  I'm, quite sure my  old W.7 computer installed the driver
>> automatically without  me downloading it manually.
>>
>> 2) Since the new computer cannot find the driver  automatically, from the
>> Elecraft website, I downloaded the Driver file: "CDM  v2.12.24 WHQL
>> Certified" and then unzipped it to the Documents folder.   (there are 8 
>> files within
>> that folder)
>>
>> Using Device Manager, I try to install the new Driver, but  regardless
>> where I place the zipped or unzipped "CDM v2.12.24 WHQL Certified"  driver 
>> file,
>> Device Manager reports that it "cannot find the  driver".
>>
>> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular file
>> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file needs
>> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 14:15:42 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <9c45724c-bdbe-e11b-77e0-164d530f2020 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Try muffler repair shops.  I think most new ones get the pipe pre-formed
> from the suppliers, but an older one might have the equipment to do it.
> Or, make it octagonal with soldered fittings, there really is no
> discernible difference.
>
> An 18 ft circumference loop with 1" copper pipe will be about 50%
> efficient on 40, with a BW of ~5-6 KHz [Q is about 1,000].  That's close
> to as small as you'd want for 40, just outside the upper limit for 20
> and it will transition to an E-field antenna above 14 MHz, basically it
> becomes "an elevated conductor."  About 5KV across the capacitor @ 100
> W, resonant current will be a bit north of 20 A.
>
> The RF loss-resistance of the pipe will be higher than the DC resistance
> since the RF sees only the outside surface of the pipe.  I'd look into
> some way of getting that cap to the bottom of the loop.  On a 5 ft
> tripod, the top will be close to 11 ft in the air with a big
> "falling-over moment" in the wind.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/12/2016 1:36 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> Anyway I'm
>> having a hard time finding someone to bend the copper pipe. It takes
>> a rolling tube bender and I don't want to invest $150 at Harbor
>> Freight to use it a few times! Most local garages can't bend 1" pipe.
>> Too small. I need to find a fabrication shop. I could use soft copper
>> and try to make a good circle but I'm a little too OCD for that!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:37:18 -0600
> From: K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
> Message-ID: <6ba77e8a-23f8-c838-c58f-51d4bdfe4be5 at sdellington.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
> from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't changed, nor has the
> supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a previous
> configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem early on, also on
> 15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced the 10 W
> module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic band.  Has
> anyone else seen a problem like this?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott  K9MA
>
> --
> Scott  K9MA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:54:59 +0400
> From: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
> Message-ID: <30E5FA55-D176-44E0-B0B2-699469FA7850 at sy-edm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> Fellow Elecrafters,
> 		I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the computer/Software
>
>
> I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest as 
> of today).
>
> Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
> I am using the RIGCat interface.
> Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for 
> device confirmation)
> K3-A is in DATA-A mode.
>
> PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)
>
> 	QSY Works
> 	Mode Works
> 	RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen
>
> But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.
>
> As I have decoding on the Screen I am presuming that the USB cable is 
> receiving Audio from the K3 correctly.
>
> The output from system_profiler SPAudioDataType yields sensible data?. 
> specifically
>
> Devices:
>
>         Built-in Output:
>
>           Default System Output Device: Yes
>           Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
>           Output Channels: 2
>           Current SampleRate: 48000
>           Transport: Built-in
>
>         USB Audio CODEC :
>
>           Default Output Device: Yes
>           Manufacturer: Burr-Brown from TI
>           Output Channels: 2
>           Current SampleRate: 48000
>           Transport: USB
>
>         USB Audio CODEC :
>
>           Default Input Device: Yes
>           Input Channels: 2
>           Manufacturer: Burr-Brown from TI
>           Current SampleRate: 48000
>           Transport: USB
>
> So what am I missing ?
>
> Answers on an electronic postcard please .
>
>
> Regards
>
> 	Tim - A45WG
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:58:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
> Message-ID: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands are 
> good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts or less 
> to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in February, so 
> long as it doesn't get worse.
>
> 73, Will, wj9b
>
> CWops #1085
> CWA Advisor levels II and III
> http://cwops.org/
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>  Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
>
>  The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
>  suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
>  from about 100 W to 85-90.? The other bands haven't
>  changed, nor has the
>  supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
>  previous
>  configuration does not help.? I had a similar problem
>  early on, also on
>  15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
>  the 10 W
>  module, but not the KPA3.? 15 seems to be a problematic
>  band.? Has
>  anyone else seen a problem like this?
>
>  73,
>
>  Scott? K9MA
>
>  --
>  Scott? K9MA
>
>  k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:01:47 +1000
> From: Gary Gregory <vk1zzgary at gmail.com>
> To: WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: Scott Ellington <k9ma at sdellington.us>,	Elecraft List
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+MFBaGjooHNfKFLCSaxjmbtju5LFajqKMj-u5P_vAkWRBGhWw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Issue not seen on mine. Had it since January 2007 so maybe you have an
> issue?
> Gary
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 11:59, "WILLIE BABER" <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands are
>> good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts or less
>> to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in February, so
>> long as it doesn't get worse.
>>
>> 73, Will, wj9b
>>
>> CWops #1085
>> CWA Advisor levels II and III
>> http://cwops.org/
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
>>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>  Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
>>
>>  The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
>>  suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
>>  from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't
>>  changed, nor has the
>>  supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
>>  previous
>>  configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem
>>  early on, also on
>>  15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
>>  the 10 W
>>  module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic
>>  band.  Has
>>  anyone else seen a problem like this?
>>
>>  73,
>>
>>  Scott  K9MA
>>
>>  --
>>  Scott  K9MA
>>
>>  k9ma at sdellington.us
>>
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>
> Message: 27
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:52:57 +0000
> From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 internal keyer speed limit
> Message-ID: <87D38763-BD2A-48C5-A1F4-6FA15E31A6A6 at liberty.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'm curious - why is the upper limit 50 WPM? Not that I could manually send 
> anywhere near this, but shouldn't the KX3 be able to send a pre-recorded 
> message much faster?
>
> Jeff - KG7HDZ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:41:55 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>,	"elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
> Message-ID: <89251194-aacd-0754-44e9-11eaeed3e2a1 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Tim,
>
> Do you have *anything* plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S?  If so,
> that overrides audio from the internal CODEC.
>
> I don't know Apple, but I do know the K3.  Go to your computer's
> soundcard gain and set the slider for the soundcard output to about 2/3
> of maximum.
> THEN - during the Fldigi transmit, set the K3S LINE IN level to produce
> 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  That is the
> proper drive level.  Note that for the K3/K3S, this is the NO ALC point.
> Adjust the desired power with the power knob.  Ignore the internet
> advice to use the audio level to adjust the power - the K3/K3S is
> different than most transceivers in its power control mechanism.
>
> BTW, you can do those transmit adustments with the K3/K3S in TX TEST
> mode so no RF is generated - keep the airways clean of "tuneup signals".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/12/2016 8:54 PM, a45wg wrote:
>> Fellow Elecrafters,
>> 		I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the computer/Software
>>
>>
>> I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest as 
>> of today).
>>
>> Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
>> I am using the RIGCat interface.
>> Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for 
>> device confirmation)
>> K3-A is in DATA-A mode.
>>
>> PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)
>>
>> 	QSY Works
>> 	Mode Works
>> 	RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen
>>
>> But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:06:55 -0800
> From: Dave AD6A <dave at ad6a.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Vox/PTT Precedence
> Message-ID: <F9BFBF49-EFD3-4717-9321-C9F88382FEF9 at ad6a.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Just got a KX2 last week and so far I'm loving it! It's a technological marvel!
>
> I did notice one small thing that irks me though. That is, if I use vox to 
> transmit (I have the vox delay set to 0.5s) and find I want to end the 
> transmission quickly by pressing the manual XMIT button on the rig, the 
> button push is ignored by the rig's firmware. Transmission only ends when 
> the vox times out.
>
> The vox seems to have a higher priority in the firmware. This could cause a 
> problem when, for example, you are operating the rig in a noisy 
> environment. It's theoretically possible, given enough noise, that the rig 
> could get stuck on transmit forever (or at least until you pull the power 
> or mic cable!).
>
> Might I suggest (in a future version of the firmware) reversing the vox and 
> PTT precedence in the firmware, so that I can end a vox-started 
> transmission at any time by pressing the XMIT key on the rig?
>
> 72 de Dave AD6A
>
> Sent from my ? iPhone 7+
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:34:30 -0800
> From: "Thomas Beltran" <tbeltran at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Terry Brown'" <n7tb at comcast.net>,	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <000501d23d67$3a155c90$ae4015b0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Terry - I have two loops: the MFJ 1788 (40-15 meters) and the Ciro
> Mazzoni Midi loop (80-20 meters).
>
> I use the MFJ portable, on a MFJ tripod, and it works well, but better to
> answer someone's CQ than trying to call.  The downside is it is limited to
> places you can drive up to - it is pretty heavy for its small size.
> Interestingly, I use it on 40 meters, where I seem to do better than on the
> higher bands.  I used this loop extensively during the last low cycle,
> 2008-2010, and checked into a 40 meter net every Sunday with good results
> most of the time.  The stations were located all over the state.
>
> The Midi is for permanent operation.  It weighs 40 pounds, the loop is made
> of 3" diameter thick wall tubing, 6.5 feet in diameter.  I had troubles at
> first with the KX3's cat system, but it is working fine with a work-around
> (I use the KX3PA100 as a generic amp).  For the past week, I have been
> comparing the Midi with my regular antenna, a vertical delta loop with the
> apex at 50'.  I've only used the Midi on 40 meters so far, where the Midi is
> is typically lower than the loop by less than an S-Unit.  On receive, they
> for the most part, identical.    Tom W2CRN
>
>
>
>
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From jim at n7us.net  Sun Nov 13 10:56:54 2016
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 09:56:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-EZ
In-Reply-To: <1585e5e1570.280a.91274f60ae22af0776e3fe30f1e2796d@odsgc.net>
References: <mailman.11869.1479011685.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<1585e5e1570.280a.91274f60ae22af0776e3fe30f1e2796d@odsgc.net>
Message-ID: <008401d23dc6$8e8f2350$abad69f0$@n7us.net>

I've thought the same, though I see that his QRZ page was updated in June.

73, Jim N7US


-----Original Message-----


I have sent Mr. COLEMAN, N2BC,  several emails over the past couple of 
years with regard to K3-EZ.   To which I received no responses.  His QRZ 
page is still up.
I fear he is either no longer interested in amateur radio,  incapacitated in
some fashion,  or become a silent key.
73 -  Jim AC0E


From Nolan at KI5IO.com  Sun Nov 13 11:14:00 2016
From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:14:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio Drop ... looking for additional suggestions?
Message-ID: <000e01d23dc8$f22aa400$d67fec00$@KI5IO.com>

I have an occasional audio drop on my K3 when closing my logging program - Log4OM.  The problem is an annoyance more than anything, but is still frustrating. There is also another OM who is experiencing the same audio drop as I do with his K3S. The audio drop can easily be reversed by simply tapping the XFIL key or by only slightly moving the shift or width knobs. By doing that the audio pops right back up.  I can also reload the Log4OM application and click on a cluster spot (maybe even same station) and the audio will pop back up.

I have spent extensive effort with the programmers of Log4OM and the developer of the OmniRig application used to send the band, frequency commands between Log4OM and the K3.  I've captured many debugging files and trace files trying to come up with item that may be causing the audio drop.  So far to no avail.

I've worked extensively with Wayne and he has provided me with early Beta FW versions in attempts to isolate the problem. He is tending to think it is related to flash read errors, but we still have not hit on the key.

My K3 is s/n:  9013 and was assembled in May-2015.  Since that time I've added a number of upgrades and one included the KIO3B interface.  I installed the KIO3B option in June-2016. 

I have been able to isolate the audio drop to a change in the K3 Firmware.  The audio drops started to appear with FW V5.50 that I installed in July-2016.  I've tried other FW Beta releases and am currently using FW V5.56.

Sometimes the audio drop won't occur  for a day or two and other times it happens each and every time I close the Log4OM application. Doesn't seem to matter if I'm using the USB or serial I/O for communications.

What does help isolate the problem is that when I revert back to FW V5.38 the audio drop just does not occur at all when closing the Log4OM application.

Certainly seems to be some weird anomaly in the FW and maybe there is a timing issue with commands coming out of Log4OM and OmniRig, but just have not been able to ID it yet.

As I've noted Wayne has been working hard to help out, but we're still both a tad stumped.  I'm just tossing this out looking for some out of the box thoughts for something I'm completely missing in trying to trouble-shoot.  Again, this is not a huge problem rather just an annoyance, but it still bugs the heck out of me.


73,  	Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO


From cyaffey at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 11:15:15 2016
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:15:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sold
Message-ID: <7813E201-4134-478E-902C-51B3A4FEB5B1@gmail.com>

My K3 has sold. My K3S is awesome!
73,
Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com
http://www.bluesswing.com










From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun Nov 13 11:17:54 2016
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:17:54 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-EZ
In-Reply-To: <1585e5e1570.280a.91274f60ae22af0776e3fe30f1e2796d@odsgc.net>
References: <mailman.11869.1479011685.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<1585e5e1570.280a.91274f60ae22af0776e3fe30f1e2796d@odsgc.net>
Message-ID: <3F73418BED88481D97A83744E1274A35@DougTPC>

Jim,
     I believe the poor man is now a Silent Key, RIP.
                    73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
AC0E
Sent: 13 November 2016 15:46
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-EZ

I have sent Mr. COLEMAN, N2BC,  several emails over the past couple of 
years with regard to K3-EZ.   To which I received no responses.  His QRZ 
page is still up.
I fear he is either no longer interested in amateur radio,  incapacitated 
in some fashion,  or become a silent key.
73 -  Jim AC0E


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>    1. K3 EQ settings (Bill)
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>    3. Re: K3 EQ settings (NW0M)
>    4. Re: K3 - static discharge (Kevin)
>    5. PX3 question (David F. Reed)
>    6. Re: K3 EZ (Kbeckman at wi.rr.com)
>    7. Re: [FS] Pelican Storm Case for K3 and P3 (rick jones)
>    8. Re: K3 EZ (Walter Underwood)
>    9. Re: PX3 question (David F. Reed)
>   10. Re: K3 EZ (jermo)
>   11. Re: K3 EZ (NW0M)
>   12. Re: K3 EZ (Kbeckman at wi.rr.com)
>   13. Re: K3 EZ (Jim McDonald)
>   14. Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (Terry Brown)
>   15. Re: Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (Fred Jensen)
>   16. K3S USB driver problem (RLVZ at aol.com)
>   17. WG0AT's KX2 matching unit (Alan Geller)
>   18. Re: K3S USB driver problem (Fred Jensen)
>   19. TX audio via N1MM+ (Tad Danley)
>   20. Re: Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (rick jones)
>   21. Re: K3S USB driver problem (Don Wilhelm)
>   22. Re: Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (Fred Jensen)
>   23. K3 Low Output on 15 (K9MA)
>   24. Fldigi Mac no TX Audio (a45wg)
>   25. Re: K3 Low Output on 15 (WILLIE BABER)
>   26. Re: K3 Low Output on 15 (Gary Gregory)
>   27. KX3 internal keyer speed limit (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
>   28. Re: Fldigi Mac no TX Audio (Don Wilhelm)
>   29. KX2 Vox/PTT Precedence (Dave AD6A)
>   30. Re: Magnetic Loop Antenna Question (Thomas Beltran)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:18:23 -0500
> From: Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 EQ settings
> Message-ID: <554af691-3d3a-8fb7-6c41-dbb651300e51 at nycap.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Can EQ, or any other menu settings, degrade or change over time?
>
> I ask, as I keep careful logs of ALL menu settings and have noted some
> changes showing up from time to time. Currently, I make my settings
> manually.
>
> Too bad no one ever picked up the now defunct K3 EZ. Now there was a
> program that really served a purpose.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 07:36:56 -0700 (MST)
> From: ke9uw <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
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> I have a (high quality=$50 or so) antistatic mat on my desk. Slower
> discharge. No issues with sparks in the winter. It makes a nice surface as
> well.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:38:13 -0700 (MST)
> From: NW0M <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EQ settings
> Message-ID: <1478965093511-7623942.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on
a
> new Windows 10 laptop.
>
> 73, Mitch
> NW?M
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:17:37 -0600
> From: Kevin <kstover at ac0h.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
> Message-ID: <54853bca-452c-8906-caa6-b17bcd243162 at ac0h.net>
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> We have a whole house humidifier.
> The default setting is 40%. We run it just up to the point where we
> start to get condensation on windows then back off about 5%. It only
> runs during winter.
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> Yes, but they typically DO use a three wire (case at ground) power cord.
>> I make it a point to touch the metal side of the computer before anything
>> else.
>>
>> A couple other recommendations would be to buy a cheap digital humidity
>> indicator and put one or more humidifiers* around the house.
>>
>> I'm not sure what is the ideal humidity level, but our house here in
>> Virginia it would get down under 30% which results in lots of sparks AND
>> split fingers.
>>
>> I try to get it nearer to 50% which seems to help both those conditions.
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>
>> *I don't recommend  the old fashioned steam units which simply have two
>> electrodes immersed in water such that the steam is created from the
>> electric current between them.  Obviously, pure laboratory H2O won't
work,
>> but a pinch of salt in the water makes the house lights dim (HI), neither
of
>> which is a desirable situation.   I don't like the ultrasonic units
either
>> because for some reason, they caused a lot of dust to be deposited on our
>> flat screen TV.  My opinion is that the best types are the ones that use
a
>> wick element and fan to put moisture in the air.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Bill
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:50 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - static discharge
>>
>> To prevent static discharge problems with my computers, I have a bare
ground
>> wire attached to the side of my desk. I touch it when I first sit down.
In
>> the winter, it does draw a spark. Most computers are not well designed or
>> protected.
>>
>> That said, I had no idea the K3 was susceptible to ESD - via the K-Pod.
>>
>> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:47:23 -0600
> From: "David F. Reed" <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
> Message-ID: <08433cd0-e3e9-8a3b-d4e6-ec90f15256fa at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> I am running a KX3-PX3 set; on the PX3 set for the spectrum in top,
> waterfall on bottom, I note the following oddity: The right side of the
> spectrum display has a green tint to it.
>
> What's up with that?
>
> Is it normal; anyone else see it?
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:48:01 -0600
> From: "Kbeckman at wi.rr.com" <kbeckman at wi.rr.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <58849B6B74FF4D07B1253786725C92B6 at dellquadcore>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>
> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
>
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
>
> K9GL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>
>
> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on
a
> new Windows 10 laptop.
>
> 73, Mitch
> NW?M
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rick jones <n3ikq at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [FS] Pelican Storm Case for K3 and P3
> Message-ID: <580517904.2769749.1478971290660 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Sold. Thanks for the bandwidth! Rick?It is not possible to cheat Ohm's
Law. 
> If you try, you will have to answer to the Blue Smoke Monster.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:27:19 -0800
> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <1BFB0D7E-E088-4C1C-A7D3-628484F9E03B at wunderwood.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not
be 
> defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 
> years.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Kbeckman at wi.rr.com <kbeckman at wi.rr.com>
wrote:
>>
>> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
>>
>> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
>>
>> K9GL
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
>> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>>
>>
>> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?  I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on
a
>> new Windows 10 laptop.
>>
>> 73, Mitch
>> NW?M
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:28:26 -0600
> From: "David F. Reed" <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>
> To: parinc1 at frontier.com, KX3 at yahoogroups.com,	elecraft Reflector
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question
> Message-ID: <3da943cb-dcf0-c6a2-14d6-b96a1207a465 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> That must be it; I am running DATA-A mode, and have the bandwidth maxed
> out; since data-a is USB in my use, it takes the right half of the
> screen because of the frequency range I have it set for; thanks for the
> clue that got me to realize what was going on.
>
> 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> On 11/12/16 11:23, Dale Parfitt wrote:
>> Are you referring to the bandwidth green column? If so it just shows you
the
>> width of your current filter setting.
>>
>> Dale W4OP
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
David
>> F. Reed
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:47 AM
>> To: elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
>>
>> I am running a KX3-PX3 set; on the PX3 set for the spectrum in top,
>> waterfall on bottom, I note the following oddity: The right side of the
>> spectrum display has a green tint to it.
>>
>> What's up with that?
>>
>> Is it normal; anyone else see it?
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:53:17 -0500
> From: jermo <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> To: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>, Elecraft Reflector
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <sydmvuadtgbhrxxy02thfn2f.1478973197195 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
> Anyone have the source code?
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> Date: 11/12/16  12:27  (GMT-05:00)
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>
> The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not
be 
> defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 
> years.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Kbeckman at wi.rr.com <kbeckman at wi.rr.com>
wrote:
>>
>> The latest version of K3 EZ is 2.0.0.8
>>
>> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
>>
>> K9GL
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
>> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>>
>>
>> Bill, why do you say K3 EZ is defunct?? I just installed it (v2.0.0.7) on
a
>> new Windows 10 laptop.
>>
>> 73, Mitch
>> NW?M
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:00:14 -0700 (MST)
> From: NW0M <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <1478973614351-7623949.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> That's the zipped file that I used.  When you unzip that file the folder
is
> actually 2.0.0.7.
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:20:03 -0600
> From: "Kbeckman at wi.rr.com" <kbeckman at wi.rr.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <3552DB8C37174415A89B2752F243C9BE at dellquadcore>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The install says it's 2.0.0.7, but it's actually 2.0.0.8.  If you compare
> the 2 zip files the 2.0.0.8 was created 5/22/2012 and 2.0.0.7 was created
> 5/9/2012, the author just neglected to change the number.
>
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ_V2008.zip
> http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/K3_EZ2007.zip
>
> The only difference between the 2 is V2.0.0.8 Corrected bug, index error
if
> saved MEM count null.
>
> Keith
> K9GL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NW0M" <nw0m at embarqmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
>
>
> That's the zipped file that I used.  When you unzip that file the folder
is
> actually 2.0.0.7.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:08:29 -0600
> From: "Jim McDonald" <jim at n7us.net>
> To: "'jermo'" <jermo at carolinaheli.com>,	"'Walter Underwood'"
> 	<wunder at wunderwood.org>,	"'Elecraft Reflector'"
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ
> Message-ID: <000001d23d18$280ebe50$782c3af0$@n7us.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
>
> The developer is N2BC.
>
> 73, Jim N7US
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Anyone have the source code?
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> The most recent file in that distro is from April 22, 2012. It might not
be 
> defunct, but it does not appear to be maintained, with no releases in 4.5 
> years.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:23:02 -0800
> From: "Terry Brown" <n7tb at comcast.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello Group,
>
>
>
> I am looking for some feedback from those using magnetic loop antennas
with
> the current band conditions.  I use dipoles or end fed random wires when I
> am in the field with my KX3.   When I am at my home, I use a horizontal
loop
> that is a close to a full wavelength on 80, and a 10-15-20 meter beam.  In
> the field I a running max 15w with my KX3 and at home 100W with my
KXPA100.
>
>
>
>
> I know that mag loops are not as efficient as a dipole and will never
> receive or transmit as well because of their compact size as my field
> antennas.  I have been toying with the idea of building/buying one for
times
> when I need a compact antenna for 40-10 meters.
>
>
>
> When I have looked at YouTube videos of folks using magnetic loops, they
are
> all from a time when band conditions were far better than they are now.
>
>
>
> Can any of you current magnetic loop antenna users in the group tell me
how
> they are performing now and what is a realistic expectation as the cycle
> continues to drop. I should also say that I am almost exclusively a CW
> operator.  I can envision using a mag loop from hotel rooms or other
travel
> times when I can't get a long wire or a dipole in a tree.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Terry, N7TB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:18:24 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <6fe242a9-b50a-ddb4-f59f-94bee02b6c33 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> All the antennas you say you use are E-field antennas, they couple to
> the E-component of the EM wave [which includes your horizontal loop].
> Mag loops couple to the H-component.  Away from the antenna [far-field],
> the EM-wave has both E and H components orthogonal to each other, and it
> doesn't matter how the wave was launched.
>
> Antenna efficiency is complex.  E-field antennas are strongly affected
> by surroundings, imbalance, and the like because objects in their
> environment have varying conductivities which contributes to their
> inefficiencies.  Mag loops are mostly insensitive to surroundings
> because most of the objects [including me sitting under my Alexloop]
> exhibit a permeability of 1.0 or very close [ferromagnetic metal
> buildings, towers, and railroad tracks excepted].
>
> The radiation resistance of most E-field antennas that hams use is
> fairly high compared to the loss resistance in the wires.  Radiation
> resistance for mag loops is very low, usually measured in the milliohm
> range, and in the general range of the loss resistance in the loop
> conductor.  Thus, loop resistance is a major factor in efficiency or the
> lack of it.
>
> In QRP field settings, my Alexloop [H-field] regularly outperforms the
> E-field Buddipole I had in all the configurations I tried for the BP.
> The resonant loop has a very high Q and suffers from very narrow
> bandwidth [4-10 KHz depending on the band] and must be very carefully
> adjusted after each QSY.  On balance, my loop is quieter than the
> end-fed I also use outside and it has a pronounced null orthogonal to
> the loop plane which can be useful.  The KAT2 takes care of matching the
> end-fed, it's bypassed for the loop and tuning is critical.
>
> As always, life is a series of trade-offs.  I have not found any
> correlation between the solar cycle and antenna choice.  [:-)
>
> You mentioned a KXPA100:  Beware, mag loops exhibit some surprisingly
> high voltages and circulating currents, even at 10-15 W.  There's a
> nifty calculator at
>
> www.66pacific.com/calculators/small_tx_loop_calc.aspx
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/12/2016 11:23 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>
>> I am looking for some feedback from those using magnetic loop antennas
with
>> the current band conditions.  I use dipoles or end fed random wires when
I
>> am in the field with my KX3.   When I am at my home, I use a horizontal
loop
>> that is a close to a full wavelength on 80, and a 10-15-20 meter beam.
In
>> the field I a running max 15w with my KX3 and at home 100W with my
KXPA100.
>
>> I know that mag loops are not as efficient as a dipole and will never
>> receive or transmit as well because of their compact size as my field
>> antennas.  I have been toying with the idea of building/buying one for
times
>> when I need a compact antenna for 40-10 meters.
>
>> When I have looked at YouTube videos of folks using magnetic loops, they
are
>> all from a time when band conditions were far better than they are now.
>
>> Can any of you current magnetic loop antenna users in the group tell me
how
>> they are performing now and what is a realistic expectation as the cycle
>> continues to drop. I should also say that I am almost exclusively a CW
>> operator.  I can envision using a mag loop from hotel rooms or other
travel
>> times when I can't get a long wire or a dipole in a tree.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry, N7TB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:38:26 -0500
> From: RLVZ at aol.com
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
> Message-ID: <625625.7f37c596.4558d7c2 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> My K3S with Elecraft USB cable going the radio to  computer worked great
on
> my old Windows 7 64-bit computer.  Now I'm trying  to use the same radio
> and same USB cable with another Windows 7 64-bit computer  and cannot get
it
> to work as I'm having problems getting the driver  installed.  Some
related
> thoughts:
>
> 1) This Windows 7 64-bit computer cannot  auotmatically find a Driver for
> the USB cable.  I'm, quite sure my  old W.7 computer installed the driver
> automatically without  me downloading it manually.
>
> 2) Since the new computer cannot find the driver  automatically, from the
> Elecraft website, I downloaded the Driver file: "CDM  v2.12.24 WHQL
> Certified" and then unzipped it to the Documents folder.   (there are 8 
> files within
> that folder)
>
> Using Device Manager, I try to install the new Driver, but  regardless
> where I place the zipped or unzipped "CDM v2.12.24 WHQL Certified"  driver

> file,
> Device Manager reports that it "cannot find the  driver".
>
> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular file
> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file
needs
> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>
> Thanks & 73,
>
> Dick- K9OM
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:54:19 -0800
> From: Alan Geller <alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] WG0AT's KX2 matching unit
> Message-ID: <B04EA7AC-D6C2-466D-AB90-377DCEC2AB79 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> WRT WG0AT?s video  https://youtu.be/HkeZhnJo1g4 
> <https://youtu.be/HkeZhnJo1g4>  that Wayne Burdick just put on the group
net,
> It looks like the ubiquitis and handy BNC to banana plug adapter with a 
> miniature single sided UNUN to the antenna and ground.
> I know there is no such thing, but the video only gave a peek. All I know 
> is that it is small, it looks like it has a minimalist matching
> thingis and it works.
> If Steve or any other good fellow could tell us what it is, I would be 
> interested. Mine always become more bigger and more complicated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> alan/K6ADG
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:30:47 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
> Message-ID: <52395433-90f2-0544-65dd-3e2b138febb0 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> I can't "advise what you're doing wrong," but ...
>
> Has Windows assigned two USB connections to the same COM port?  You can
> tell in device mangler.  That's happened to me and I've had to go in and
> change one of the ports to an unused one.  This never happened to me
> under XP.  Apparently, Windows' USB IQ is inversely proportional to
> Windows version #. [:-)
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/12/2016 12:38 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular
file
>> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file
needs
>> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>>
>> Thanks & 73,
>>
>> Dick- K9OM
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:34:49 -0500
> From: Tad Danley <tdanley at centurylink.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] TX audio via N1MM+
> Message-ID: <2e90580b-365e-cf38-1c46-86666f5def0d at centurylink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Is there a template for configuring N1MM+ to use with a K3s so that I
> can record TX audio on the fly using the Function keys?
>
> Asking for a friend as I don't (yet) own a K3s, but I know his has
> direct USB connection to the PC so I'm not sure where to start in
> configuring N1MM+ and the K3s.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> --
>
> Tad Danley, K3TD
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rick jones <n3ikq at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <2122763465.2871132.1478986610982 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Sorry, this ended up being quite long winded! I'm currently building one 
> from a Russian Vacuum Variable Cap from ebay. Pure DC resistance is the 
> biggest challenge as I see it. Even little additional resistance just
turns 
> into useless heat in the loop so R needs to be as low as possible. The MFJ

> mag loop helps in that dept by welding the loop to the variable cap. Since

> that is out of reach I am going to use one solid piece of copper pipe bent

> into a circle and then a length of 1" solid copper strap will be soldered 
> to each pipe end and wrap around the ends of the vacuum cap. I figure once

> a year I should disassemble the copper/vacuum cap connection and clean any

> oxidation off. I found 6cm aluminum automotive fuel pump mounts on ebay 
> that fit onto the ends of the vacuum caps perfectly providing a mount and 
> allowing the copper strap connection to take place. Email me directly if 
> you are going the vacuum cap route and want to see how I'm doing it. There

> are two lessons I have lea
>  rned so far: 1). That Russian vacuum caps are way heaver then I thought. 
>  2): The screw device needs more torque then I originally anticipated. The

>  weight factor just needs to be addressed with a beefier mount. Since it 
>  will reside at the top of the loop it will have a high center of gravity 
>  and I don't want the wind to knock over a >$200 glass cap! The torque
issue 
>  just means I need a stronger NEMA17 stepping motor and a 2 amp easy
driver 
>  board to give it extra current. I imagine when it is cold the grease will

>  stiffen up requiring even more torque. It may come to pass that I will
use 
>  a gear reduction stepper motor to get the torque I need. I'm tending to 
>  figure out the little problems as they crop up! I'm building this one for

>  100 watt operation as the vacuum cap should be able to handle the
voltage. 
>  For QRP operation I have found a 2Kv air variable on ebay that (according

>  to the 99pacific calculator) should handle the 10 watt KX2 for portable 
>  operation. I'm already startin
>  g rev.2 and I haven't even finished the first one yet! Anyway I'm having
a 
>  hard time finding someone to bend the copper pipe. It takes a rolling
tube 
>  bender and I don't want to invest $150 at Harbor Freight to use it a few 
>  times! Most local garages can't bend 1" pipe. Too small. I need to find a

>  fabrication shop. I could use soft copper and try to make a good circle
but 
>  I'm a little too OCD for that! Well that's about all I can say so far.
I'm 
>  sure I'll have more advice as I finally get this thing actually working!?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:14:40 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: RLVZ at aol.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB driver problem
> Message-ID: <7ecbaa8f-dcc9-8f3b-2dd1-18a55ce3769c at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Dick,
>
> Since Windows cannot automatically find the new driver file, when you
> get to the window that asks 'How do you want to search for driver
> software', click "Browse my computer for driver software".
>
> In the window that opens, click the 'Browse' button and navigate to
> where you have placed the unzipped file.  Windows should then load that
> file.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:38 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
>> My K3S with Elecraft USB cable going the radio to  computer worked great
on
>> my old Windows 7 64-bit computer.  Now I'm trying  to use the same radio
>> and same USB cable with another Windows 7 64-bit computer  and cannot get
it
>> to work as I'm having problems getting the driver  installed.  Some
related
>> thoughts:
>>
>> 1) This Windows 7 64-bit computer cannot  auotmatically find a Driver for
>> the USB cable.  I'm, quite sure my  old W.7 computer installed the driver
>> automatically without  me downloading it manually.
>>
>> 2) Since the new computer cannot find the driver  automatically, from the
>> Elecraft website, I downloaded the Driver file: "CDM  v2.12.24 WHQL
>> Certified" and then unzipped it to the Documents folder.   (there are 8 
>> files within
>> that folder)
>>
>> Using Device Manager, I try to install the new Driver, but  regardless
>> where I place the zipped or unzipped "CDM v2.12.24 WHQL Certified"
driver 
>> file,
>> Device Manager reports that it "cannot find the  driver".
>>
>> Please advise what I'm doing wrong?  Such as, it  there on particular
file
>> I need to select manually?  Or perhaps  this CDM v2.12.24 driver file
needs
>> to be placed in a particular  folder?
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 14:15:42 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <9c45724c-bdbe-e11b-77e0-164d530f2020 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Try muffler repair shops.  I think most new ones get the pipe pre-formed
> from the suppliers, but an older one might have the equipment to do it.
> Or, make it octagonal with soldered fittings, there really is no
> discernible difference.
>
> An 18 ft circumference loop with 1" copper pipe will be about 50%
> efficient on 40, with a BW of ~5-6 KHz [Q is about 1,000].  That's close
> to as small as you'd want for 40, just outside the upper limit for 20
> and it will transition to an E-field antenna above 14 MHz, basically it
> becomes "an elevated conductor."  About 5KV across the capacitor @ 100
> W, resonant current will be a bit north of 20 A.
>
> The RF loss-resistance of the pipe will be higher than the DC resistance
> since the RF sees only the outside surface of the pipe.  I'd look into
> some way of getting that cap to the bottom of the loop.  On a 5 ft
> tripod, the top will be close to 11 ft in the air with a big
> "falling-over moment" in the wind.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/12/2016 1:36 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> Anyway I'm
>> having a hard time finding someone to bend the copper pipe. It takes
>> a rolling tube bender and I don't want to invest $150 at Harbor
>> Freight to use it a few times! Most local garages can't bend 1" pipe.
>> Too small. I need to find a fabrication shop. I could use soft copper
>> and try to make a good circle but I'm a little too OCD for that!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:37:18 -0600
> From: K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
> Message-ID: <6ba77e8a-23f8-c838-c58f-51d4bdfe4be5 at sdellington.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
> from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't changed, nor has the
> supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a previous
> configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem early on, also on
> 15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced the 10 W
> module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic band.  Has
> anyone else seen a problem like this?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott  K9MA
>
> --
> Scott  K9MA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:54:59 +0400
> From: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
> Message-ID: <30E5FA55-D176-44E0-B0B2-699469FA7850 at sy-edm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> Fellow Elecrafters,
> 		I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the
computer/Software
>
>
> I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest
as 
> of today).
>
> Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
> I am using the RIGCat interface.
> Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for 
> device confirmation)
> K3-A is in DATA-A mode.
>
> PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)
>
> 	QSY Works
> 	Mode Works
> 	RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen
>
> But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.
>
> As I have decoding on the Screen I am presuming that the USB cable is 
> receiving Audio from the K3 correctly.
>
> The output from system_profiler SPAudioDataType yields sensible data?. 
> specifically
>
> Devices:
>
>         Built-in Output:
>
>           Default System Output Device: Yes
>           Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
>           Output Channels: 2
>           Current SampleRate: 48000
>           Transport: Built-in
>
>         USB Audio CODEC :
>
>           Default Output Device: Yes
>           Manufacturer: Burr-Brown from TI
>           Output Channels: 2
>           Current SampleRate: 48000
>           Transport: USB
>
>         USB Audio CODEC :
>
>           Default Input Device: Yes
>           Input Channels: 2
>           Manufacturer: Burr-Brown from TI
>           Current SampleRate: 48000
>           Transport: USB
>
> So what am I missing ?
>
> Answers on an electronic postcard please .
>
>
> Regards
>
> 	Tim - A45WG
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:58:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
> Message-ID: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands are 
> good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts or
less 
> to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in February, so

> long as it doesn't get worse.
>
> 73, Will, wj9b
>
> CWops #1085
> CWA Advisor levels II and III
> http://cwops.org/
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>  Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
>
>  The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
>  suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
>  from about 100 W to 85-90.? The other bands haven't
>  changed, nor has the
>  supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
>  previous
>  configuration does not help.? I had a similar problem
>  early on, also on
>  15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
>  the 10 W
>  module, but not the KPA3.? 15 seems to be a problematic
>  band.? Has
>  anyone else seen a problem like this?
>
>  73,
>
>  Scott? K9MA
>
>  --
>  Scott? K9MA
>
>  k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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>
> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:01:47 +1000
> From: Gary Gregory <vk1zzgary at gmail.com>
> To: WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: Scott Ellington <k9ma at sdellington.us>,	Elecraft List
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+MFBaGjooHNfKFLCSaxjmbtju5LFajqKMj-u5P_vAkWRBGhWw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Issue not seen on mine. Had it since January 2007 so maybe you have an
> issue?
> Gary
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 11:59, "WILLIE BABER" <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands are
>> good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts or
less
>> to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in February,
so
>> long as it doesn't get worse.
>>
>> 73, Will, wj9b
>>
>> CWops #1085
>> CWA Advisor levels II and III
>> http://cwops.org/
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
>>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>  Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
>>
>>  The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
>>  suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
>>  from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't
>>  changed, nor has the
>>  supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
>>  previous
>>  configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem
>>  early on, also on
>>  15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
>>  the 10 W
>>  module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic
>>  band.  Has
>>  anyone else seen a problem like this?
>>
>>  73,
>>
>>  Scott  K9MA
>>
>>  --
>>  Scott  K9MA
>>
>>  k9ma at sdellington.us
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:52:57 +0000
> From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 internal keyer speed limit
> Message-ID: <87D38763-BD2A-48C5-A1F4-6FA15E31A6A6 at liberty.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'm curious - why is the upper limit 50 WPM? Not that I could manually
send 
> anywhere near this, but shouldn't the KX3 be able to send a pre-recorded 
> message much faster?
>
> Jeff - KG7HDZ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:41:55 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>,	"elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
> Message-ID: <89251194-aacd-0754-44e9-11eaeed3e2a1 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Tim,
>
> Do you have *anything* plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S?  If so,
> that overrides audio from the internal CODEC.
>
> I don't know Apple, but I do know the K3.  Go to your computer's
> soundcard gain and set the slider for the soundcard output to about 2/3
> of maximum.
> THEN - during the Fldigi transmit, set the K3S LINE IN level to produce
> 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  That is the
> proper drive level.  Note that for the K3/K3S, this is the NO ALC point.
> Adjust the desired power with the power knob.  Ignore the internet
> advice to use the audio level to adjust the power - the K3/K3S is
> different than most transceivers in its power control mechanism.
>
> BTW, you can do those transmit adustments with the K3/K3S in TX TEST
> mode so no RF is generated - keep the airways clean of "tuneup signals".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/12/2016 8:54 PM, a45wg wrote:
>> Fellow Elecrafters,
>> 		I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the
computer/Software
>>
>>
>> I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest
as 
>> of today).
>>
>> Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
>> I am using the RIGCat interface.
>> Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for 
>> device confirmation)
>> K3-A is in DATA-A mode.
>>
>> PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)
>>
>> 	QSY Works
>> 	Mode Works
>> 	RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen
>>
>> But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:06:55 -0800
> From: Dave AD6A <dave at ad6a.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Vox/PTT Precedence
> Message-ID: <F9BFBF49-EFD3-4717-9321-C9F88382FEF9 at ad6a.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Just got a KX2 last week and so far I'm loving it! It's a technological
marvel!
>
> I did notice one small thing that irks me though. That is, if I use vox to

> transmit (I have the vox delay set to 0.5s) and find I want to end the 
> transmission quickly by pressing the manual XMIT button on the rig, the 
> button push is ignored by the rig's firmware. Transmission only ends when 
> the vox times out.
>
> The vox seems to have a higher priority in the firmware. This could cause
a 
> problem when, for example, you are operating the rig in a noisy 
> environment. It's theoretically possible, given enough noise, that the rig

> could get stuck on transmit forever (or at least until you pull the power 
> or mic cable!).
>
> Might I suggest (in a future version of the firmware) reversing the vox
and 
> PTT precedence in the firmware, so that I can end a vox-started 
> transmission at any time by pressing the XMIT key on the rig?
>
> 72 de Dave AD6A
>
> Sent from my ? iPhone 7+
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:34:30 -0800
> From: "Thomas Beltran" <tbeltran at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Terry Brown'" <n7tb at comcast.net>,	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
> Message-ID: <000501d23d67$3a155c90$ae4015b0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Terry - I have two loops: the MFJ 1788 (40-15 meters) and the Ciro
> Mazzoni Midi loop (80-20 meters).
>
> I use the MFJ portable, on a MFJ tripod, and it works well, but better to
> answer someone's CQ than trying to call.  The downside is it is limited to
> places you can drive up to - it is pretty heavy for its small size.
> Interestingly, I use it on 40 meters, where I seem to do better than on
the
> higher bands.  I used this loop extensively during the last low cycle,
> 2008-2010, and checked into a 40 meter net every Sunday with good results
> most of the time.  The stations were located all over the state.
>
> The Midi is for permanent operation.  It weighs 40 pounds, the loop is
made
> of 3" diameter thick wall tubing, 6.5 feet in diameter.  I had troubles at
> first with the KX3's cat system, but it is working fine with a work-around
> (I use the KX3PA100 as a generic amp).  For the past week, I have been
> comparing the Midi with my regular antenna, a vertical delta loop with the
> apex at 50'.  I've only used the Midi on 40 meters so far, where the Midi
is
> is typically lower than the loop by less than an S-Unit.  On receive, they
> for the most part, identical.    Tom W2CRN
>
>
>
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Nov 13 11:36:13 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-EZ
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His license is valid through 11/22/2016, so if he doesn?t renew soon, that will be a clue.

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=656057 <http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=656057>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 7:56 AM, Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net> wrote:
> 
> I've thought the same, though I see that his QRZ page was updated in June.
> 
> 73, Jim N7US
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> I have sent Mr. COLEMAN, N2BC,  several emails over the past couple of 
> years with regard to K3-EZ.   To which I received no responses.  His QRZ 
> page is still up.
> I fear he is either no longer interested in amateur radio,  incapacitated in
> some fashion,  or become a silent key.
> 73 -  Jim AC0E
> 
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From jkelly at verizon.net  Sun Nov 13 11:44:00 2016
From: jkelly at verizon.net (jkelly)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:44:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KX2
Message-ID: <769a9fbf-97a6-03bd-6747-92dd4636f398@verizon.net>

For Sale Mint KX2 #316

with ATU, Real Time Clock, Paddle, Hand Mic, Large Travel Bag, Lithium 
Battery and charger, acc cable.

$1100 Shipped CONUS

Jeff

K2SDR

k2sdr at verizon.net



From glcazzola at alice.it  Sun Nov 13 11:46:58 2016
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:46:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] R: Re:  Macro sequencing
Message-ID: <1585e95b0fe.glcazzola@alice.it>



Great Fred!After reading your beautiful book about the Elecraft K3s i was sure that you were the right man for my problem! :)You were very clear and this evening I will actuate your instructions.Only another question, if you permit me.You say and repeat "THR between 12 and 20".It seem that also you dont like agc thr  lower than 12...Is it so?But Elecraft set THR 5 and SLP 12 when a lot of hams prefer to reverse, thr 12 slp 5.Do you know why Elecraft/Wayne prefer THR 5 and SLP 12?Many thanks for your very appreciated time spent here.Ian IK4EWX
PS I am sure that lot of people would appreciate if in your beautiful books you will suggest other macros, easy for you but not for us :) 



----Messaggio originale----

Da: fcady at montana.edu

Data: 13-nov-2016 16.35

A: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, "glcazzola at alice.it"<glcazzola at alice.it>

Ogg: Re: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing





-->



Here ya go.






Toggle AGC THR between 012 and 020

Toggle AGC THR between 012 and 020 by holding M1 

Uses Macro 4 and Macro 5 and M1.

Assign the following to Macro 4:



MN074;  Select the AGC THR menu.

MP020;   Set THR to 020;

SWT14;   Tap the MENU switch to exit this menu.

MN110;  Enter the MACRO n menu.

SWT27;  Tap the 5 switch.

SWH21;  Hold M1.  (This assigns M1 to the commands in Macro 5 for the next hold.)

MN255;   Exit menu mode.



MN074;MP020;SWT14;MN110;SWT27;SWH21;MN255;



Assign the following to Macro 5:



MN074;  Select the AGC THR menu.

MP012;   Set THR to 012;

SWT14;  Tap the MENU switch.

MN110;  Enter the MACRO n menu.

SWT24;  Tap the  4 switch.

SWH21;  Hold M1.  (This assigns M1 to the commands in Macro 4 for the next hold.)

MN255;  Exit menu mode.



MN074;MP012;SWT14;MN110;SWT24;SWH21;MN255;





Enter the CONFIG:MACRO x menu and tap  4.

Hold M1 to program it to execute MACRO 4.

Each time you hold M1 the threshold switches between 012 and 020.



Using a K*Pod button to toggle AGC THR.



A K*Pod button cannot directly replace the M1 function key in the Toggle THR macro (above)


but you can use a K*Pod button to activate a macro that holds M1.

SWH21;  Hold M1.



Write this macro to one of the 16 in the K3S/K3 and tap or hold the corresponding K*Pod switch.




Cheers,



Fred KE7X





For all KE7X Elecraft books see 
www.elecraft.com

(Coming soon: "Elecraft K3s, K3, KX3 and P3, PX3 Programming"














From: glcazzola at alice.it <glcazzola at alice.it>

Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 2:03 AM

To: Cady, Fred; elecraft at mailman.qth.net

Subject: R: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing
 



Fred, can you specify the macro for setting two different options of AGC, for example:



a) thr 10 - slp 5
B) thr 6 - slp 12



I would like to set them both on PF2 and on different macros on K-Pod.



I have seen examples on your K3S book that I own  and on ham web pages. I have programmed split+2 on and off on PF1,  and on K-Pod, pwr 100 and pwr 65 (for driving amp), but dont understand how to set these values for AGC in a macro.



Thanks
Ian IK4EWX

----Messaggio originale----

Da: fcady at montana.edu

Data: 12-nov-2016 0.57

A: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Ogg: [Elecraft] Macro sequencing



We have seen some great macro ideas where a single function key is used to toggle between two different K3 states, e.g. in and out of split, toggling between two AGC THR settings, etc.  Unfortunately, this idea cannot be used (directly) with a KPod button. 
 Each of the the 16 KPod buttons are dedicated to a single macro and cannot be changed like the function key assignments can.





However, I just twigged onto the thought that you can assign a third macro to be activated by a KPod key that then toggles the macro sequence.  For example, if you use a hold of PF2 to toggle in and out of split, that uses Macro 7 and Macro 8 (say) you can
 assign SWH47; to Macro 9 and then tap the KPod F1 key to run Macro 7 and then Macro 8 in sequence.





Don't why I didn't think of it before or if I missed it when somebody else mentioned it.





have a good weekend all.



73,



Fred KE7X





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From a45wg at sy-edm.com  Sun Nov 13 11:55:47 2016
From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:55:47 +0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi Mac no TX Audio
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0801MB1097CA07C4858E4B91D400C4FABD0@CY1PR0801MB1097.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <30E5FA55-D176-44E0-B0B2-699469FA7850@sy-edm.com>
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The Solution has been found.

Firstly, I checked that Fldigi was not misbehaving on my Mac.

Installed on a spare development Mac, and with no radio connected at all - pressed CQ, I audibly verified that I could hear the audio comping out of the Mac?s speakers? It was very nice sounding. (I double checked this with the USB Codec using the excellent Audio Jack from 
Rogue Ameoba - excellent - and again I could hear sound card generated output).

So Mac Ok (IMHO) lets check the K3-S?.

1 Usb Cable plugged in - no audio in or out leads (there were this morning !! thanks Don). Plus I have my Bencher plugged in - which seems to be rather laughing at me.

K3-S settings
	Data Mode-A
	MIC SEL 	Line-In
	LIN OUT - Nor 10	(I can see this effects the Decode signal strength on the Mac so this must be correct also)
	PTT-KEY OFF-OFF 
	
Scanning the Elecraft archives for the umpteenth time - I found a similar issue (Thank you  Brian ? K1LI)

I seemed to need to adjust something called the mic button - Huh ? I almost never use Voice - so I had to read the manual (again) and after a suitable tweak - it all worked. 

Apologies - Apple, Fldigi software developers - nice work Elecraft - Digital with 1 cable ? awesome

regards

	Tim - A45WG


> On Nov 13, 2016, at 3:34 PM, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com <mailto:z_kevino at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> In the K3S menus, Have you verified the selection for Mic Select : rear mic, front mic, or line in? Having it set to the wrong input could make same symptoms you experience. Don't ask how I know :-) 
> 
> --Kevin (KK4YEL) 
> 
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 22:43, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Do you have *anything* plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S?  If so, that overrides audio from the internal CODEC.
>> 
>> I don't know Apple, but I do know the K3.  Go to your computer's soundcard gain and set the slider for the soundcard output to about 2/3 of maximum.
>> THEN - during the Fldigi transmit, set the K3S LINE IN level to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  That is the proper drive level.  Note that for the K3/K3S, this is the NO ALC point.
>> Adjust the desired power with the power knob.  Ignore the internet advice to use the audio level to adjust the power - the K3/K3S is different than most transceivers in its power control mechanism.
>> 
>> BTW, you can do those transmit adustments with the K3/K3S in TX TEST mode so no RF is generated - keep the airways clean of "tuneup signals".
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 11/12/2016 8:54 PM, a45wg wrote:
>>> Fellow Elecrafters,
>>>       I am trying to do some Digital modes but using the computer/Software
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am running a MacMini, with K3-S. Software is a Fldigi  (3.23-13 latest as of today).
>>> 
>>> Wiring - 1 USB cable from K3-S to MacMini.
>>> I am using the RIGCat interface.
>>> Configure->Sound Card -> Audio is set to USB Audio Codec (See below for device confirmation)
>>> K3-A is in DATA-A mode.
>>> 
>>> PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (mentioned in the k3.xml right file)
>>> 
>>>   QSY Works
>>>   Mode Works
>>>   RX Works - nice decoding on the Computer screen
>>> 
>>> But no TX Output. The K3-S red TX light is on - but nothing ?.
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 12:29:49 2016
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 07:29:49 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-EZ
In-Reply-To: <008401d23dc6$8e8f2350$abad69f0$@n7us.net>
References: <mailman.11869.1479011685.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Or just call his number:

William D. Coleman
513 Ridge Rd   
Vestal, NY 13850

(607) 748-5232

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net> wrote:
> 
> I've thought the same, though I see that his QRZ page was updated in June.
> 
> 73, Jim N7US
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> I have sent Mr. COLEMAN, N2BC,  several emails over the past couple of 
> years with regard to K3-EZ.   To which I received no responses.  His QRZ 
> page is still up.
> I fear he is either no longer interested in amateur radio,  incapacitated in
> some fashion,  or become a silent key.
> 73 -  Jim AC0E
> 
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From w7aqk at cox.net  Sun Nov 13 13:57:39 2016
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:57:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <7S1C1u0334MXFkf01S1Edf>
References: <9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<7S1C1u0334MXFkf01S1Edf>
Message-ID: <8D49F0A2F2274721B27A0838A3E54455@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

Stan,

Well, my first question was "how about the capacitor?".  I looked at the 
article, and it says no capacitor needed, but that it is mono band only.  I 
would have to guess that it is "mono-frequency" as well, or just about!!!

Dave W7AQK



-----Original Message----- 
From: stan levandowski
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:01 AM
To: w7aqk
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question

My first loop was because of an article I read online that said, "Look
no further!  Here is all you need: 10 feet 3 inches of 3/4-inch hard
line, 2 hose clamps, a chassis connector, a little bit of house wire,
and you could be in business as shown in the photo below"


The darn thing worked incredibly well!  It was for 40 meters. Here's the
"starter article" at http://www.antennex.com/hws/ws0902/hardline.html


This inspired me to build a square loop made of two inch copper pipe
with a vacuum variable and a 1 rpm 12VDC motor which I switched by
reversing polarity.  It was for 20 meters and worked great with QRP.


I finally bought an Alexloop for true portable work.


73, Stan WB2LQF

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:41 AM, w7aqk wrote:

> Terry,
>
> If you have the inclination at all, why not build one!  It's really not 
> all that hard to do.  Quite a few years ago I did that, and the thing 
> worked pretty well.  I got the info from a QST article from back in the 
> 90's.  The hardest part might be finding a proper capacitor for tuning, 
> but if your junk box has much in it, you may have that problem solved.  I 
> complicated things a bit by adding a small low voltage motor to turn the 
> capacitor.  You need to use one that has a very low rpm rate for that, but 
> they are available.  Not counting the motor, the whole thing cost lest 
> than $10 to build.  I used copper tubing, but you could use coax shield. 
> I recommend copper tubing.
>
> Even though band conditions are rather poor these days, you can still do 
> good things with a mag loop--especially on 20 meters.  You may not be able 
> to run that amp through it, unless you get a pretty husky capacitor, but 
> 15 watts is not usually a problem.  You just might be surprised at what 
> you can do with one of these things.  They are fun to play with.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
>
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 14:22:56 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:22:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Batteries for KX series radios
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTO5VZ9pAn8YWZBt8SYmDiMnULam9OtJaQ+5SYE7ezV9mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTNT1ERBZ-0_kVm84sxMKN1tpRKzdP+21ox45FjuUYn=ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPRK=LhGPT9abTdGpV8Qcs0=JOuAj5Oe2SNRv8cf+Vj6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTP2_6kc+U07o1U4LOyrB_5CgKQB6thoyKcvpVGw2VEqrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPaHbsaAB6_7VE7GhBHg7Tf14aenx3W_J0ir9MtHB4thQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMFGqCqfxpSHV0U6gj385jF8REFiszpnROh0MRmn7gdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM-SzsTR6SxY=RBCE1ZpKAoc_AJirzLsusgZc1NOoRj_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTO5VZ9pAn8YWZBt8SYmDiMnULam9OtJaQ+5SYE7ezV9mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMTeQhyN3LV_aSbAWXzNEGLkEoJh7dUyVk7GOJY+5hBiQ@mail.gmail.com>

I will error on the side of caution and never use any type of battery
inside my radio.  Given the potential for damage it simply isn't worth the
risk.

I recently sold the clock / charger board for my KX3.

73

K0PP
73

From sjl219 at optonline.net  Sun Nov 13 15:30:44 2016
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:30:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <8D49F0A2F2274721B27A0838A3E54455@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<7S1C1u0334MXFkf01S1Edf@in-mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<8D49F0A2F2274721B27A0838A3E54455@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <3c092827.1a82b.1585f62901e.Webtop.38@optonline.net>

Yeah, if I remember my experience, it was rather "mono frequency" for a 
few kHz. ?Then I had to adjust the coupling for better SWR. It wasn't 
all that user-friendly! ?However, it was a great and cheap way to play 
with a mag loop. ?I remember sitting on my front porch with a K1 and 
working DX with it. ?The loop was just tie-wrapped to a broomstick stuck 
into a patio umbrella stand and sitting on my driveway. It was enough to 
get me interested in reading and experimenting so it accomplished the 
authors' objective. ?


73, Stan WB2LQF

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 01:57 PM, w7aqk wrote:

> Stan,
>
> Well, my first question was "how about the capacitor?".  I looked at 
> the article, and it says no capacitor needed, but that it is mono band 
> only.  I would have to guess that it is "mono-frequency" as well, or 
> just about!!!
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: stan levandowski
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:01 AM
> To: w7aqk
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
>
> My first loop was because of an article I read online that said, "Look
> no further!  Here is all you need: 10 feet 3 inches of 3/4-inch hard
> line, 2 hose clamps, a chassis connector, a little bit of house wire,
> and you could be in business as shown in the photo below"
>
>
> The darn thing worked incredibly well!  It was for 40 meters. Here's 
> the
> "starter article" at http://www.antennex.com/hws/ws0902/hardline.html
>
>
> This inspired me to build a square loop made of two inch copper pipe
> with a vacuum variable and a 1 rpm 12VDC motor which I switched by
> reversing polarity.  It was for 20 meters and worked great with QRP.
>
>
> I finally bought an Alexloop for true portable work.
>
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:41 AM, w7aqk wrote:
>
>> Terry,
>>
>> If you have the inclination at all, why not build one!  It's really 
>> not all that hard to do.  Quite a few years ago I did that, and the 
>> thing worked pretty well.  I got the info from a QST article from 
>> back in the 90's.  The hardest part might be finding a proper 
>> capacitor for tuning, but if your junk box has much in it, you may 
>> have that problem solved.  I complicated things a bit by adding a 
>> small low voltage motor to turn the capacitor.  You need to use one 
>> that has a very low rpm rate for that, but they are available.  Not 
>> counting the motor, the whole thing cost lest than $10 to build.  I 
>> used copper tubing, but you could use coax shield. I recommend copper 
>> tubing.
>>
>> Even though band conditions are rather poor these days, you can still 
>> do good things with a mag loop--especially on 20 meters.  You may not 
>> be able to run that amp through it, unless you get a pretty husky 
>> capacitor, but 15 watts is not usually a problem.  You just might be 
>> surprised at what you can do with one of these things.  They are fun 
>> to play with.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Dave W7AQK
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>
>

From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun Nov 13 15:54:48 2016
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:54:48 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Batteries for KX series radios
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMTeQhyN3LV_aSbAWXzNEGLkEoJh7dUyVk7GOJY+5hBiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTNT1ERBZ-0_kVm84sxMKN1tpRKzdP+21ox45FjuUYn=ZQ@mail.gmail.com><CAD4CdTPRK=LhGPT9abTdGpV8Qcs0=JOuAj5Oe2SNRv8cf+Vj6w@mail.gmail.com><CAD4CdTP2_6kc+U07o1U4LOyrB_5CgKQB6thoyKcvpVGw2VEqrQ@mail.gmail.com><CAD4CdTPaHbsaAB6_7VE7GhBHg7Tf14aenx3W_J0ir9MtHB4thQ@mail.gmail.com><CAD4CdTMFGqCqfxpSHV0U6gj385jF8REFiszpnROh0MRmn7gdEA@mail.gmail.com><CAD4CdTM-SzsTR6SxY=RBCE1ZpKAoc_AJirzLsusgZc1NOoRj_g@mail.gmail.com><CAD4CdTO5VZ9pAn8YWZBt8SYmDiMnULam9OtJaQ+5SYE7ezV9mQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMTeQhyN3LV_aSbAWXzNEGLkEoJh7dUyVk7GOJY+5hBiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4577F2AE1312492C8BC411D68226AE20@DougTPC>

Internal batteries are handy if you are flying as airlines may object to
batteries outside equipment.   Otherwise I agree.

                   73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
Kopp
Sent: 13 November 2016 19:23
To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Batteries for KX series radios

I will error on the side of caution and never use any type of battery
inside my radio.  Given the potential for damage it simply isn't worth the
risk.

I recently sold the clock / charger board for my KX3.

73

K0PP
73
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Nov 13 16:02:06 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:02:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Batteries for KX series radios
In-Reply-To: <4577F2AE1312492C8BC411D68226AE20@DougTPC>
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On Sun,11/13/2016 12:54 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Internal batteries are handy if you are flying as airlines may object to
> batteries outside equipment.

They're also quite handy if you're using the radio to walk around and 
probe for RFI, or to look for the resonance on an antenna.

73, Jim K9YC


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov 13 16:36:39 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:36:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <3c092827.1a82b.1585f62901e.Webtop.38@optonline.net>
References: <9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<7S1C1u0334MXFkf01S1Edf@in-mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<8D49F0A2F2274721B27A0838A3E54455@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<3c092827.1a82b.1585f62901e.Webtop.38@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <c062b367-e180-b205-9db7-03fd85267a44@foothill.net>

I've built several of those ... most before I understood how they worked 
... or didn't. [:-)  The #1 requirement, if you are building an antenna 
and not a dummy load, is resonance.  Since most loops are used fairly 
close to the TX with short transmission lines, SWR doesn't matter much, 
except to keep the TX happy.

It the loop is resonant, you can match the impedance at the input end of 
the line with a tuner if you have to.  But, the problem is folks new to 
mag loops tend to get the loop close to resonance [usually because the 
exact point tends to be fairly sharp on the capacitor rotation], and 
then "let the ATU do the rest."

Loops will get you attention, sometimes more than you want:

A couple years ago, I set up for the FOBB at a local park on top of a 
little knoll with my Alexloop.  I sit under mine and can reach up to 
tune it easily.  Several people inquired what I was doing.  Finally, one 
older guy who had been walking past me several times at a bit of a 
distance finally came up and said, "You're the CIA and you're spying on 
me aren't you?"

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/13/2016 12:30 PM, stan levandowski wrote:
> Yeah, if I remember my experience, it was rather "mono frequency" for a
> few kHz.  Then I had to adjust the coupling for better SWR. It wasn't
> all that user-friendly!  However, it was a great and cheap way to play
> with a mag loop.  I remember sitting on my front porch with a K1 and
> working DX with it.  The loop was just tie-wrapped to a broomstick stuck
> into a patio umbrella stand and sitting on my driveway. It was enough to
> get me interested in reading and experimenting so it accomplished the
> authors' objective.

> 73, Stan WB2LQF


From lgs42450 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 17:24:47 2016
From: lgs42450 at yahoo.com (l s)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:24:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for Sale
References: <1401360063.3227071.1479075887555.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1401360063.3227071.1479075887555@mail.yahoo.com>

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From w6sfm at w6sfm.com  Sun Nov 13 17:32:57 2016
From: w6sfm at w6sfm.com (W6SFM)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:32:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W6SFM Bug Roundup Event Reminder
Message-ID: <83f0e952-8267-a3d4-5f6c-b23ee29b8bbd@w6sfm.com>

This is a simple reminder that Next Weekend is the "CQ BR" W6SFM Bug 
Roundup Event!

W6SFM On-Air BUG ROUNDUP - Starts Saturday November 19th 1500  - 1500 
November 20th 2016

Objective:
This 24-hour event is not a contest; rather it is a time dedicated to 
celebrating our CW and Bug key heritage. Participants are encouraged to 
get on the air and simply make enjoyable, conversational CW QSOs using a 
Bug style key as the sending instrument. There are no points scored in 
this event, and all who participate are winners.

An on-line spotting page and Operator Chat window will be active during 
the event and can be found by visiting the Bug Roundup Event page or by 
clicking HERE. <http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html>
Once the event has concluded, logs can be submitted to the W6SFM by way 
of the link provided on the clubs Bug Roundup web page.

Thank you for your participation and we hope you enjoy the event. 73

For more information on this exciting event please visit the W6SFM Bug 
Roundup website page by clicking HERE 
<http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html> 
(http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html)

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From bartholdl at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 17:51:06 2016
From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:51:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
Message-ID: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>

Hi All,

 

Maybe you can help with something that is baffling me. My KPA500 doesn't go
to full output until I have spoken my callsign (when trying to get through a
pileup) a few times. It starts off with 100 or so watts, and after a few
iterations rises to the full 500W output. I see this both on the KPA500 LED
bar, as well as on the P3 PEP output monitored by P3TXMON.  My full setup is
K3S+KPA500+KAT500+P3+P3TXMON. All devices run the latest released firmware.

 

Any thoughts much appreciated!

 

Barthold

AD0RM

 


From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Sun Nov 13 17:55:19 2016
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:55:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <8D49F0A2F2274721B27A0838A3E54455@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<7S1C1u0334MXFkf01S1Edf>
	<8D49F0A2F2274721B27A0838A3E54455@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <2ba15ea7-72f0-87b6-1138-bc512b2abdbd@comcast.net>

The length of hardline provides both an inductor (the shield) and a 
series capacitor (the center conductor to shield). It is an interesting 
experimental loop antenna, but not particularly versatilefor general use.

There is a picture of my two-turn mag loop for 40-80m on my QRZ .com 
page. I wrote an article for antenneX several years ago describing this 
antenna, but it is behind the "pay wall" so I can't post it anywhere else.

The main loop is about 4.5 feet in diameter formed by using the shield 
of 7/8-inch Heliax. The loop is remotely tuned over the coax by a DC 
motor-driven vacuum variable capacitor. The antenna can handle between 
500 watts and 1KW depending on frequency if the VVC is stout enough 
(15kV at 60 amps). The driver loop is about 1/5 the diameter of the main 
loop diameter.

73,
Gus Hansen
KB0YH


On 11/13/2016 11:57 AM, w7aqk wrote:
> Stan,
>
> Well, my first question was "how about the capacitor?".  I looked at 
> the article, and it says no capacitor needed, but that it is mono band 
> only.  I would have to guess that it is "mono-frequency" as well, or 
> just about!!!
>
> Dave W7AQK


From no9e at arrl.net  Sun Nov 13 18:30:29 2016
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:30:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <2ba15ea7-72f0-87b6-1138-bc512b2abdbd@comcast.net>
References: <00ff01d23d1a$30753f40$915fbdc0$@comcast.net>
	<9D9D7FF4DB744CAC889B7EF8B1792172@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<8D49F0A2F2274721B27A0838A3E54455@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<2ba15ea7-72f0-87b6-1138-bc512b2abdbd@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1479079829357-7623995.post@n2.nabble.com>

Magnetic loop is interesting when running 100W without a tuner. I had lots of
interesting contacts on 20-10 with the loop 8 ft up and an air split-stator
capacitor.  Altogether the loop weighted some 2 kg and was pretty large.
Such a loop for 40m would be inefficient. 

When your KX3 weighs < 1 kg and has ATU, end fed is likely to be as
efficient and much lighter. Also it can cover many bands without extra
tuning. 

I made my mag loop over 20 years ago and made many contacts. Since I bought
ATU, the loop was not in use. I tried to compare it to  along wire, and the
wire was stronger and lighter. The loop may have a purpose in
quasi-stationary situation especially if there is RFI since the loop can be
rotated to minimize RFI. 

Ignacy, NO9E 



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From robert.forster at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 18:35:16 2016
From: robert.forster at gmail.com (Robert Forster)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:35:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 No LCD display
Message-ID: <CAHf6gZcm_zwf_QCaL4QxioE58jyz8HJ488sir7Vot1SLbVZchQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I finally made it to the first power up of my K2 and seem to have hit a
snag.
The radio powers up, The relays click and the backlight of the LCD comes on
but no text.  After searching the list it seems that pin 1 of the driver is
a likely suspect.  I took a look at it with a USB microscope and it looks
like the solder joint there is fine.  I posted a picture of it here:
https://flic.kr/p/P3Esg4


Here are the steps I've taken so far:

I reflowed a few of the pins that looked suspect going from the LCD to the
driver IC

Checked the values of R15 and 16 they both test as the correct values

I show fluctuating voltage on pins 16 and 17 indicating data is present

Pulled the Driver IC and tested continuity from pins 1 and 2 to the rf
board connector pins 16 and 17

Further tested continuity from lcd controller pins 1 and 2 all the way back
to pins 38 and 39 on the MCU

Confirmed proper voltage to the MCU (5V) and I do hear the oscillator @ 4Mhz

Confirmed I am getting 5v at the voltage regulator on the control board and
that is making it to the front panel board


I'm not sure what else to test now.  One thing that is mentioned in the
troubleshooting is if the bargraph is also not working to check the 5V
line.  Should the bargraph be lit at all during power up?  Maybe that's a
clue?  I would like make sure I'm getting the 2V? to the LCD driver but
when everything is assembled I cant get at that pin.

Thanks for any and all help!
Robert
AD0TA

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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Nov 13 18:42:20 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:42:20 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
Message-ID: <201611132342.uADNgJYd005573@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Another source of copper tubing is to use a length of either 1/2-inch 
Heliax (LDF4-50A) or 7/8-inch (LDF5-50A).  Often available in short 
pieces at hamfests.  I plan to use some 1/2-inch to make a 4-foot 
loop one day (to use on 630m Rx).

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag Business e-mail:
     dubususa at gmail.com 


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 18:47:15 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:47:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <201611132342.uADNgJYd005573@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201611132342.uADNgJYd005573@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTN+sxE6KzP-tWyQJiV4pQVvsMnFQd4977j2-6YafpsRug@mail.gmail.com>

Two-way radio shops are another source of "hard-line" in short lengths.

73

K0PP

On Nov 13, 2016 16:42, "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:

> Another source of copper tubing is to use a length of either 1/2-inch
> Heliax (LDF4-50A) or 7/8-inch (LDF5-50A).  Often available in short pieces
> at hamfests.  I plan to use some 1/2-inch to make a 4-foot loop one day (to
> use on 630m Rx).
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag Business e-mail:
>     dubususa at gmail.com
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From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Sun Nov 13 19:10:45 2016
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:10:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop Antenna Question
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTN+sxE6KzP-tWyQJiV4pQVvsMnFQd4977j2-6YafpsRug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201611132342.uADNgJYd005573@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<CAD4CdTN+sxE6KzP-tWyQJiV4pQVvsMnFQd4977j2-6YafpsRug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <107421f0-f724-4424-6b3e-a7c1258deaf8@comcast.net>



On 11/13/2016 4:47 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Two-way radio shops are another source of "hard-line" in short lengths.

The best source I've found is a cell phone company. They usually have 
freebees in the form of "pulls" of old hardline during upgrades or "cut 
ends" from newly installed cable. We only care about the outer (shield) 
so the cable doesn't need to be perfect.

73,
Gus


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:36:07 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 No LCD display
In-Reply-To: <CAHf6gZcm_zwf_QCaL4QxioE58jyz8HJ488sir7Vot1SLbVZchQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHf6gZcm_zwf_QCaL4QxioE58jyz8HJ488sir7Vot1SLbVZchQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ce9929a-6705-d67d-405b-e66c0ad6b1cb@embarqmail.com>

Robert,

Is this a new K2 that uses the new VFO encoder mounted on a board?
If so, the most likely problem is that the encoder board is contacting 
the back of the Control Board.

Flush cut *all* the leads on the encoder board - really flush with the 
board.
Then also flush cut the leads on the Control Board that might contact 
the encoder board.
Put some electrical tape over the encoder board and see if it works.
In extreme cases, a better insulator such as fish paper or some other 
plastic insulator may be required on the encoder board.

You can gain extra space between the encoder board and the Control Board 
by placing the lockwashers for the Front Panel standoffs between the 
rear of the Front Panel Board and the standoffs instead of behind the 
screwheads.

Make certain the pads between the top rear of the Front panel board and 
the 2D connectors are properly in place.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/13/2016 6:35 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I finally made it to the first power up of my K2 and seem to have hit a
> snag.
> The radio powers up, The relays click and the backlight of the LCD comes on
> but no text.  After searching the list it seems that pin 1 of the driver is
> a likely suspect.  I took a look at it with a USB microscope and it looks
> like the solder joint there is fine.  I posted a picture of it here:
> https://flic.kr/p/P3Esg4
>
>

From n7tb at comcast.net  Sun Nov 13 22:37:02 2016
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:37:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 VFO question
Message-ID: <001101d23e28$5e0c6410$1a252c30$@comcast.net>

Hello Group,

 

I got my first exposure to Elecraft gear when I bought a used K2 about a
year ago and began my re-entry into CW operating, which I love.  I used to
be exclusively SSB, then got too busy for Ham Radio for about 6 years, then
got the K2.  I now pretty much run CW all the time.  

 

When I got the K2, I had nothing to compare it to in the Elecraft line of
rigs.  My friend had a KX3, KXPA100, and the PX3.  I made the mistake of
going to his QTH and looking at that great gear.  Long story short, I
started acquiring those components in January of this year and now the combo
is my main station at home, and in the field.  

 

When I bought the KX3, I have used it exclusively until tonight when I
dusted off the K2 for a few contacts.  I immediately noticed how hard it was
to turn the K2 VFO compared to the KX3.  I installed the KX3 VFO upgrade, so
that made the KX3 very smooth and adjustable.  I tried to adjust the K2 by
moving the knob totally away from the felt, but it still is very stiff.
It's difficult to turn it using the finger indent.  Is that normal?  I would
appreciate any advice in getting the K2 VFO knob to turn easier.  My Ser.
No. on the K2 is 2584.  

 

Thanks and 73's,

 

Terry, N7TB


From ruler55 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:47:55 2016
From: ruler55 at gmail.com (Robie Elms)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 03:47:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK
Message-ID: <CAAfqLSChYBemCXyYmPCn_KgHSO3jig0ea5NYzTAx=A8rj4xx+Q@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I have very limited experience with a K3 and I am helping a fellow club
member get up and running on RTTY with his K3.  Here is the setup:

1. We are using MMTTY in the AFSK mode

2. line in/out on the transceiver connected to the computer sound card mic
and speaker input/output

3. PTT is via command the radio control port.


The problem we are having is intermittent transmission of data.  At times
the set up works properly and then later when transmitting the K3 sends
only a steady carrier.  It appears that the computer is outputting audio
tones to the K3 when this situation occurs.  What are the potential causes
of this problem.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Robie - AJ4F

From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Nov 13 22:52:01 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:52:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 VFO question
In-Reply-To: <001101d23e28$5e0c6410$1a252c30$@comcast.net>
References: <001101d23e28$5e0c6410$1a252c30$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001d01d23e2a$75058410$5f108c30$@biz>

Hi Terry:

No, the knob should spin freely unless it is hard against the felt. I and a
lot of other K2 builders a decade ago ran into this issue. What has most
likely happened is that one of the threads around the inside opening of the
felt washer has gotten caught in the shaft and wound itself into the
bearing, causing it to bind. 

On mine, after removing the knob and washer, I was able to see the thread
sticking out around the C retainer on the encoder shaft. I grabbed it with
tweezers and, by turning the encoder shaft the correct direction, it slowly
unwound and came back out. After that the shaft turned very freely. 

You have a few choices:

I used a little CA (super glue) cement around the inner hole opening in the
felt washer and, after it hardened, trimmed off any loose threads remaining.


Others had luck just opening up the hole in the felt washer.

And a few replaced the felt washer with one they made out of a scrap bit of
leather from an old belt, etc.

The K2 is a superb CW rig and does a decent job on SSB. 

73, Ron AC7AC 



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry
Brown
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:37 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 VFO question

Hello Group,

 

I got my first exposure to Elecraft gear when I bought a used K2 about a
year ago and began my re-entry into CW operating, which I love.  I used to
be exclusively SSB, then got too busy for Ham Radio for about 6 years, then
got the K2.  I now pretty much run CW all the time.  

 

When I got the K2, I had nothing to compare it to in the Elecraft line of
rigs.  My friend had a KX3, KXPA100, and the PX3.  I made the mistake of
going to his QTH and looking at that great gear.  Long story short, I
started acquiring those components in January of this year and now the combo
is my main station at home, and in the field.  

 

When I bought the KX3, I have used it exclusively until tonight when I
dusted off the K2 for a few contacts.  I immediately noticed how hard it was
to turn the K2 VFO compared to the KX3.  I installed the KX3 VFO upgrade, so
that made the KX3 very smooth and adjustable.  I tried to adjust the K2 by
moving the knob totally away from the felt, but it still is very stiff.
It's difficult to turn it using the finger indent.  Is that normal?  I would
appreciate any advice in getting the K2 VFO knob to turn easier.  My Ser.
No. on the K2 is 2584.  

 

Thanks and 73's,

 

Terry, N7TB

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:58:12 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:58:12 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
Message-ID: <ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>

Hi Barthold,

Maybe the K3S output is ramping up slowly. Do you notice this with the 
KPA500 off? Running the TX Gain Calibration in the K3 Utility might help 
in that case.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 14 Nov 2016 00:51, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Maybe you can help with something that is baffling me. My KPA500 doesn't go
> to full output until I have spoken my callsign (when trying to get through a
> pileup) a few times. It starts off with 100 or so watts, and after a few
> iterations rises to the full 500W output. I see this both on the KPA500 LED
> bar, as well as on the P3 PEP output monitored by P3TXMON.  My full setup is
> K3S+KPA500+KAT500+P3+P3TXMON. All devices run the latest released firmware.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts much appreciated!
>
>
>
> Barthold
>
> AD0RM

From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 23:02:25 2016
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:02:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCaGngfeVoH_BA=abKGfkddX_JGjtAaORsV2PJjvK90j2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Does the SWR also change?

Sounds like something is happening with your
antenna.  Do you have a dummy load that will
handle the power? Good test would be to see
what it does into a known 50 ohm load.

Jim W, W4RKS

From SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 13 23:02:53 2016
From: SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com (Steve-KI4EZL)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:02:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] External hand mic for KX2
Message-ID: <1479096173923-7624004.post@n2.nabble.com>

I want to purchase the best hand mic for my new KX2.  I have the Heil Pro Set
which are headphones and a boom mic, but I also want a hand mic.  The Heil
HMM iC will work and the Elecraft MH3 will work, but which one is the best?

Thanks,

Steve - KI4EZL



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From w0mu at w0mu.com  Sun Nov 13 23:37:16 2016
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:37:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
In-Reply-To: <CA+MFBaGjooHNfKFLCSaxjmbtju5LFajqKMj-u5P_vAkWRBGhWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<519820687.2947960.1479002311790@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+MFBaGjooHNfKFLCSaxjmbtju5LFajqKMj-u5P_vAkWRBGhWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b8136fc-90f5-0c79-f41b-008206f5081a@w0mu.com>

Did you do a re-calibration?  Is this output confirmed on a external 
meter?  Do the K3 and external meters agree is what I am asking.

Is there some way you are getting rf back into the rig just in 15m?

Does it do this on a dummy load?

Have you taken the K3 completely out of line, no computer, no amp, no 
tuners etc?


On 11/12/2016 7:01 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> Issue not seen on mine. Had it since January 2007 so maybe you have an
> issue?
> Gary
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 11:59, "WILLIE BABER" <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands are
>> good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts or less
>> to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in February, so
>> long as it doesn't get worse.
>>
>> 73, Will, wj9b
>>
>> CWops #1085
>> CWA Advisor levels II and III
>> http://cwops.org/
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>>
>>   Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
>>   To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>   Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
>>
>>   The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
>>   suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
>>   from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't
>>   changed, nor has the
>>   supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
>>   previous
>>   configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem
>>   early on, also on
>>   15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
>>   the 10 W
>>   module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic
>>   band.  Has
>>   anyone else seen a problem like this?
>>
>>   73,
>>
>>   Scott  K9MA
>>
>>   --
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>>
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From w0mu at w0mu.com  Sun Nov 13 23:40:17 2016
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:40:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK
In-Reply-To: <CAAfqLSChYBemCXyYmPCn_KgHSO3jig0ea5NYzTAx=A8rj4xx+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAfqLSChYBemCXyYmPCn_KgHSO3jig0ea5NYzTAx=A8rj4xx+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9522737-2b33-41f8-45d8-be5ff66f8efc@w0mu.com>

It doesn't solve you issue but the K3 is really good with FSK, ie clean.

RF?  have you put ferrites on the cables with a number of turns? Does it 
happen with 5 watts, 50 watts 100 or 1000 watts?



On 11/13/2016 8:47 PM, Robie Elms wrote:
> All,
>
> I have very limited experience with a K3 and I am helping a fellow club
> member get up and running on RTTY with his K3.  Here is the setup:
>
> 1. We are using MMTTY in the AFSK mode
>
> 2. line in/out on the transceiver connected to the computer sound card mic
> and speaker input/output
>
> 3. PTT is via command the radio control port.
>
>
> The problem we are having is intermittent transmission of data.  At times
> the set up works properly and then later when transmitting the K3 sends
> only a steady carrier.  It appears that the computer is outputting audio
> tones to the K3 when this situation occurs.  What are the potential causes
> of this problem.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
> Robie - AJ4F
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From ve3iay at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 23:43:21 2016
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:43:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeH=JaWjR6UdE9gkmd_Y64d=D_-3c-c9CF6TGtZSk9EEybQ@mail.gmail.com>

If the K3 is sending a steady carrier, by far the most likely explanation
is that it is in FSK D instead of AFSK A.

The data sub-mode is remembered per-band, so perhaps it is not set
correctly on all bands.

Another cause can be a logging program - for example, if you are using
MMTTY from within N1MM+, you have to make sure that the Mode control
setting for the mode sent to the radio is AFSK, not RTTY. RTTY in the mode
control selector in N1MM+ means FSK, and it will cause the radio to be put
into FSK D every time a QSY is commanded from N1MM+. A similar phenomenon
can occur with other logging or digital mode programs.

73,
Rich VE3KI

AJ4F wrote:

The problem we are having is intermittent transmission of data.  At times
the set up works properly and then later when transmitting the K3 sends
only a steady carrier.  It appears that the computer is outputting audio
tones to the K3 when this situation occurs.  What are the potential causes
of this problem.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.

From K9SW at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 02:13:49 2016
From: K9SW at comcast.net (K9SW at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:13:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 output power falls
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0201MB0809D1892AEF401D641F23FCAFB80@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <21A144E8-2809-4FCB-9E47-95DD3C20EF31@comcast.net>
	<CY1PR0201MB0809D1892AEF401D641F23FCAFB80@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1C289C0E-2A39-4EC4-85D1-F73BADE64945@comcast.net>

Thanks for the pointer, Fred.  With the book open to p.165, plus a couple of other menu adventures, I was able to get the K3 working like it should.  Don?t know how the settings were scrambled - something of a mystery.  

Best regards -

Dave K9SW


> On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Cady, Fred <fcady at montana.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> Check CONFIG:KPA3.  It should be PA nor.
> Cheers,
> Fred KE7X
> 
> for all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com <http://www.ke7x.com/>
> 
> 
> From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of K9SW <K9SW at comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 11:49 PM
> To: Elecraft Elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 output power falls
>  
> Maximum power output on my K3 dropped to 12 watts, for no discernible reason.   Any handy hints about what might cause this?  I haven?t yet taken it apart to check voltages, etc.
> 
> Dave
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From mark at tannert.net  Mon Nov 14 08:58:22 2016
From: mark at tannert.net (Mark Tannert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: KXPA100 for sale
Message-ID: <CALXcQpduWE7DpVDkoAce5z3T9H8GJ66MkFZJsHC7XCsq2N2jZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have KXPA100 #651 for sale.

Includes KXAT100 (ATU), KXPACBL (cable kit), and KXSER (RS232 control
cable). Functionally and cosmetically excellent. $1050 shipped to the lower
48 states in original box.

Mark, WN8U

From no9e at arrl.net  Mon Nov 14 12:23:50 2016
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:23:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Batteries for KX series radios
In-Reply-To: <af43ed66-fecb-02f3-0b7e-08e4b8c13c0c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMTeQhyN3LV_aSbAWXzNEGLkEoJh7dUyVk7GOJY+5hBiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4577F2AE1312492C8BC411D68226AE20@DougTPC>
	<af43ed66-fecb-02f3-0b7e-08e4b8c13c0c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1479144230364-7624011.post@n2.nabble.com>

Jim Brown-10 wrote
> They're also quite handy if you're using the radio to walk around and 
> probe for RFI, or to look for the resonance on an antenna.

Very much true. I have never seen NIMH or AA Lithium battery leaking.

 
Doug wrote
>> Internal batteries are handy if you are flying as airlines may object to
>> batteries outside equipment.

Very few questions from airlines if any. Recently I traveled many
connections with an Expert amp + lots of cables + KX3 + batteries as hand
luggage and mostly no questions. 

Ignacy, NO9E 




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From carl at n8vz.com  Mon Nov 14 12:29:43 2016
From: carl at n8vz.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carl_J=F3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KAT500 Firmware Issue
In-Reply-To: <5829EE9C.4030307@qth.com>
References: <5829EE9C.4030307@qth.com>
Message-ID: <5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>

I'm experiencing a weird issue related to the FW REV menu entry.  I just 
upgraded my firmware via the Elecraft KPA500 Utility to version 1.75.  
The Utility now reports that 1.75 is successfully installed.  However,  
FW REV reports "FP 01.38."  I've done a reset of the KPA500 and another 
reinstall of 1.75, but FW REV is still reporting the earlier version as 
being the one installed.  I don't know if this is an error in the FW REV 
menu setting, or if the KPA500 Utility is reporting an error.  
Suggestions anyone?

Thanks.

73,

Carl
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From dragan.bar at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 12:48:11 2016
From: dragan.bar at gmail.com (Dragan 4O4A)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:48:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Low Line-In level
Message-ID: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am an occasional user of digital modes.
My K3 is conntected to my PCs via in-line-out cables.

Usually, I used PC speakers gain to about 50-75% of max, and Line level on
K3 was about 10 or so. ALC used to be 4 bars, with 5th bar flickering, or
lower.

Recently, I cannot setup line-in level as it was before. 
Even if I setup both PC audio to 100% and Line to max (60), I can hear very
weak sound. VOX (DATA A) works properly, but audio signal is very weak. 
If I setup Monitor to max (60), I can hear sound but it is very "dirty".

Where to start? :)

Regards,
Dragan, 4O4A




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From ar at dseven.org  Mon Nov 14 13:24:59 2016
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:24:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KAT500 Firmware Issue
In-Reply-To: <5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>
References: <5829EE9C.4030307@qth.com> <5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B3Ad4m4QOOZn=FrdwbhEmZwK6iwrQGEsvV+HxdZbuJiAQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Carl J?n Denbow <carl at n8vz.com> wrote:
> I'm experiencing a weird issue related to the FW REV menu entry.  I just
> upgraded my firmware via the Elecraft KPA500 Utility to version 1.75.  The
> Utility now reports that 1.75 is successfully installed.  However,  FW REV
> reports "FP 01.38."  I've done a reset of the KPA500 and another reinstall
> of 1.75, but FW REV is still reporting the earlier version as being the one
> installed.  I don't know if this is an error in the FW REV menu setting, or
> if the KPA500 Utility is reporting an error.  Suggestions anyone?

You seem to be getting confused between KAT500 and KPA500. The current
KPA500 firmware is 1.47.

73,

    ~iain / N6ML

From wp4cw at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 14:05:46 2016
From: wp4cw at aol.com (WP4CW)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:05:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FYI: 20 and 17 m wide open from US to EU this morning
In-Reply-To: <2A32672F-6A00-4D6D-9508-8129F6FB4062@elecraft.com>
References: <2A32672F-6A00-4D6D-9508-8129F6FB4062@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <03C1EE0A-637F-4B25-B45F-9E40C624100A@aol.com>

Hello Wayne 

I'm I a happy camper. I received my KX2, put it on 20m CW. I made a 6500 mile contact to Argentina. Good Job on your product KX2. Ted WP4CW

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Working all kinds of DX on both bands.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
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From kstover at ac0h.net  Mon Nov 14 14:43:22 2016
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:43:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KAT500 Firmware Issue
In-Reply-To: <5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>
References: <5829EE9C.4030307@qth.com> <5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>
Message-ID: <4e7ac507-f479-5291-9748-d5d4beef218b@ac0h.net>

Are you running the latest KPA500 utility?



On 11/14/2016 11:29 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
> I'm experiencing a weird issue related to the FW REV menu entry.  I 
> just upgraded my firmware via the Elecraft KPA500 Utility to version 
> 1.75.  The Utility now reports that 1.75 is successfully installed.  
> However,  FW REV reports "FP 01.38."  I've done a reset of the KPA500 
> and another reinstall of 1.75, but FW REV is still reporting the 
> earlier version as being the one installed.  I don't know if this is 
> an error in the FW REV menu setting, or if the KPA500 Utility is 
> reporting an error.  Suggestions anyone?
>
> Thanks.
>
> 73,
>
> Carl

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From kstover at ac0h.net  Mon Nov 14 14:45:04 2016
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:45:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KAT500 Firmware Issue
In-Reply-To: <4e7ac507-f479-5291-9748-d5d4beef218b@ac0h.net>
References: <5829EE9C.4030307@qth.com> <5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>
	<4e7ac507-f479-5291-9748-d5d4beef218b@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <a688e525-0e60-d5bf-fc47-4f32cd63d865@ac0h.net>

Make that KAT500 utility.


On 11/14/2016 1:43 PM, Kevin wrote:
> Are you running the latest KPA500 utility?
>
>
>
> On 11/14/2016 11:29 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
>> I'm experiencing a weird issue related to the FW REV menu entry.  I 
>> just upgraded my firmware via the Elecraft KPA500 Utility to version 
>> 1.75.  The Utility now reports that 1.75 is successfully installed.  
>> However,  FW REV reports "FP 01.38."  I've done a reset of the KPA500 
>> and another reinstall of 1.75, but FW REV is still reporting the 
>> earlier version as being the one installed.  I don't know if this is 
>> an error in the FW REV menu setting, or if the KPA500 Utility is 
>> reporting an error.  Suggestions anyone?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Carl
>

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From carl at n8vz.com  Mon Nov 14 15:15:35 2016
From: carl at n8vz.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Carl_J=F3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:15:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KAT500 Firmware Issue
In-Reply-To: <a688e525-0e60-d5bf-fc47-4f32cd63d865@ac0h.net>
References: <5829EE9C.4030307@qth.com> <5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>
	<4e7ac507-f479-5291-9748-d5d4beef218b@ac0h.net>
	<a688e525-0e60-d5bf-fc47-4f32cd63d865@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <582A1B67.9030606@n8vz.com>

OK, I figured out what I did.  Somehow I managed to use the KPA500 
Utility to connect to my KAT500.  It actually worked and downloaded the 
KAT500 firmware and installed it.  I was, of course, on a different 
port, but I didn't pay close enough attention to the which unit was 
using which port.  Thanks for all of your feedback.  73 de Carl N8VZ

Kevin wrote:
> Make that KAT500 utility.
>
>
> On 11/14/2016 1:43 PM, Kevin wrote:
>> Are you running the latest KPA500 utility?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/2016 11:29 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
>>> I'm experiencing a weird issue related to the FW REV menu entry.  I 
>>> just upgraded my firmware via the Elecraft KPA500 Utility to version 
>>> 1.75.  The Utility now reports that 1.75 is successfully installed.  
>>> However,  FW REV reports "FP 01.38."  I've done a reset of the 
>>> KPA500 and another reinstall of 1.75, but FW REV is still reporting 
>>> the earlier version as being the one installed.  I don't know if 
>>> this is an error in the FW REV menu setting, or if the KPA500 
>>> Utility is reporting an error.  Suggestions anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Carl
>>
>

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From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 14 16:04:27 2016
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:04:27 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KAT500 Firmware Issue
In-Reply-To: <582A1B67.9030606@n8vz.com>
References: <5829EE9C.4030307@qth.com>
	<5829F487.40907@n8vz.com>	<4e7ac507-f479-5291-9748-d5d4beef218b@ac0h.net>	<a688e525-0e60-d5bf-fc47-4f32cd63d865@ac0h.net>
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If the KPA500 utility connected to the KAT500, I think whoever at Elecraft
maintains the utility software needs to add some code to prevent that from
happening.

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl
J?n Denbow
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 8:16 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange KAT500 Firmware Issue

OK, I figured out what I did.  Somehow I managed to use the KPA500 Utility
to connect to my KAT500.  It actually worked and downloaded the
KAT500 firmware and installed it.  I was, of course, on a different port,
but I didn't pay close enough attention to the which unit was using which
port.  Thanks for all of your feedback.  73 de Carl N8VZ

Kevin wrote:
> Make that KAT500 utility.
>
>
> On 11/14/2016 1:43 PM, Kevin wrote:
>> Are you running the latest KPA500 utility?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/2016 11:29 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
>>> I'm experiencing a weird issue related to the FW REV menu entry.  I 
>>> just upgraded my firmware via the Elecraft KPA500 Utility to version 
>>> 1.75.  The Utility now reports that 1.75 is successfully installed.
>>> However,  FW REV reports "FP 01.38."  I've done a reset of the
>>> KPA500 and another reinstall of 1.75, but FW REV is still reporting 
>>> the earlier version as being the one installed.  I don't know if 
>>> this is an error in the FW REV menu setting, or if the KPA500 
>>> Utility is reporting an error.  Suggestions anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Carl
>>
>

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Nov 14 16:17:19 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:17:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>

That hasn?t helped my KPA500.  I notice it particularly after a band change.

?bill nr4c


> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Barthold,
> 
> Maybe the K3S output is ramping up slowly. Do you notice this with the KPA500 off? Running the TX Gain Calibration in the K3 Utility might help in that case.
> 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 
> On 14 Nov 2016 00:51, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe you can help with something that is baffling me. My KPA500 doesn't go
>> to full output until I have spoken my callsign (when trying to get through a
>> pileup) a few times. It starts off with 100 or so watts, and after a few
>> iterations rises to the full 500W output. I see this both on the KPA500 LED
>> bar, as well as on the P3 PEP output monitored by P3TXMON.  My full setup is
>> K3S+KPA500+KAT500+P3+P3TXMON. All devices run the latest released firmware.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any thoughts much appreciated!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Barthold
>> 
>> AD0RM
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From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Nov 14 16:19:20 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:19:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote operation flexibility
In-Reply-To: <B20D498D-531F-4CB5-92FC-B5D3CD34B8D5@gmail.com>
References: <B20D498D-531F-4CB5-92FC-B5D3CD34B8D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALcvumOq3-Wfa5qMLxX7c0ohCC3OkrYycxns-Cgi+XB60pDH5g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Dick,

Why do you need TRX Manager or anything of the sort?

Just bring the K3/0, RemoteRig box and whatever internet connectivity you
need.

If you need to access a desktop for antenna or KPA500, use TeamViewer or
Remote Desktop, and access any automation applications locally in the shack.

I've done many public demos with the RemoteRig gear and K3/0.  I've also
done simple Remotes using TeamViewer and Skype (just a laptop for the demo
location).

Let me know if I can help!

73, Gerry W1VE
Operating the K3 family remotely to VY1AAA, K2LE and VE4EA
Hancock, NH

Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373
AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM
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On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Richard Hayman <wn3r.us at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am operating my K-3/100, KPA-500, and KAT500 successfully using a K3/0
> at my residence with RemoteRig.
>
> I?ve been asked to setup a station in a Public Library MakerSpace. The
> problem is the antenna and feed line. To keep the cost low, I am hoping to
> be able to use a PC Laptop runningTRX-Manager and a Remote Rig black box at
> the MakeSpace.
>
> My question is a simple one. What changes do I need to make to the Remote
> configuration and jumpers to be compatible with two types of control
> methods.
>
> At the moment, the TRX-Manager will not turn on the radio. I get two error
> messages: RTS and CTS are not available. J3 in the Remote Rig ties them
> together.
>
> The solution needs to be a single configuration at the radio side to
> support control by both a PC with Control SW at the MakerSpace and the K3/0
> at home.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> 73, Dick, WN3R
>
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Nov 14 16:21:14 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:21:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK
In-Reply-To: <c9522737-2b33-41f8-45d8-be5ff66f8efc@w0mu.com>
References: <CAAfqLSChYBemCXyYmPCn_KgHSO3jig0ea5NYzTAx=A8rj4xx+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c9522737-2b33-41f8-45d8-be5ff66f8efc@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <75FF7E3B-9B0A-445F-891A-7FB1F2554AC3@widomaker.com>

Check software.  I have noted my software switches sub-modes when making changes.  It has to do with mode selection and mapping softwre modes tot he radio mode/sub-mode.

bill nr4c

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 11:40 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
> 
> It doesn't solve you issue but the K3 is really good with FSK, ie clean.
> 
> RF?  have you put ferrites on the cables with a number of turns? Does it happen with 5 watts, 50 watts 100 or 1000 watts?
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/13/2016 8:47 PM, Robie Elms wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> I have very limited experience with a K3 and I am helping a fellow club
>> member get up and running on RTTY with his K3.  Here is the setup:
>> 
>> 1. We are using MMTTY in the AFSK mode
>> 
>> 2. line in/out on the transceiver connected to the computer sound card mic
>> and speaker input/output
>> 
>> 3. PTT is via command the radio control port.
>> 
>> 
>> The problem we are having is intermittent transmission of data.  At times
>> the set up works properly and then later when transmitting the K3 sends
>> only a steady carrier.  It appears that the computer is outputting audio
>> tones to the K3 when this situation occurs.  What are the potential causes
>> of this problem.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>> 
>> Robie - AJ4F
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Mon Nov 14 16:47:48 2016
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:47:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
In-Reply-To: <1b8136fc-90f5-0c79-f41b-008206f5081a@w0mu.com>
References: <519820687.2947960.1479002311790.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<519820687.2947960.1479002311790@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+MFBaGjooHNfKFLCSaxjmbtju5LFajqKMj-u5P_vAkWRBGhWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1b8136fc-90f5-0c79-f41b-008206f5081a@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <0f2d6c56-5023-6bf4-a119-d5738f992d8a@sdellington.us>

Yes to all.  There's no question that something has changed within the 
K3.  15 was always marginal, with higher current at 100W than the other 
bands, but now the maximum current on 15 is lower than it used to be, 
which makes me suspect the LPA module.  When I recently did a new TxGain 
calibration, 15 did not change much, (HP 12 to 19), but 24 MHz did (HP 
08 to 46). LP calibrations changed by similar amounts.  However, output 
on 24 MHz is normal, as is the current.  The calibration did not change 
output or current on 15.

73,

Scott  K9MA


On 11/13/2016 22:37, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> Did you do a re-calibration?  Is this output confirmed on a external 
> meter?  Do the K3 and external meters agree is what I am asking.
>
> Is there some way you are getting rf back into the rig just in 15m?
>
> Does it do this on a dummy load?
>
> Have you taken the K3 completely out of line, no computer, no amp, no 
> tuners etc?
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 7:01 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>> Issue not seen on mine. Had it since January 2007 so maybe you have an
>> issue?
>> Gary
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016 11:59, "WILLIE BABER" <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> My 2014 purchased K3 is 20-25 watts low on 14mhz but all other bands 
>>> are
>>> good.  ....just haven't worried about it as I normally use 50 watts 
>>> or less
>>> to drive an amplifier.  I'll look into it after ARRL DX CW in 
>>> February, so
>>> long as it doesn't get worse.
>>>
>>> 73, Will, wj9b
>>>
>>> CWops #1085
>>> CWA Advisor levels II and III
>>> http://cwops.org/
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Sat, 11/12/16, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low Output on 15
>>>   To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>   Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:37 PM
>>>
>>>   The output of my K3 (SN 4657) has
>>>   suddenly dropped 10-15 W on 15 meters,
>>>   from about 100 W to 85-90.  The other bands haven't
>>>   changed, nor has the
>>>   supply voltage (13.6 V at full power). Restoring to a
>>>   previous
>>>   configuration does not help.  I had a similar problem
>>>   early on, also on
>>>   15, and had to ship the K3 back to Elecraft, who replaced
>>>   the 10 W
>>>   module, but not the KPA3.  15 seems to be a problematic
>>>   band.  Has
>>>   anyone else seen a problem like this?
>>>
>>>   73,
>>>
>>>   Scott  K9MA
>>>
>>>   --
>>>   Scott  K9MA
>>>
>>>   k9ma at sdellington.us
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________


-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Nov 14 17:02:00 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:02:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote operation flexibility
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumOq3-Wfa5qMLxX7c0ohCC3OkrYycxns-Cgi+XB60pDH5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B20D498D-531F-4CB5-92FC-B5D3CD34B8D5@gmail.com>
	<CALcvumOq3-Wfa5qMLxX7c0ohCC3OkrYycxns-Cgi+XB60pDH5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc6d770b-bc9e-17b6-8168-893a6eed1671@foothill.net>

That's how W7RN does it.  In fact, Gerry used W7RN for a recent demo. 
Once your RRC-1258 is configured properly, you don't need a computer 
unless you need to access station automation at the remote site too.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/14/2016 1:19 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> Hey Dick,
>
> Why do you need TRX Manager or anything of the sort?
>
> Just bring the K3/0, RemoteRig box and whatever internet connectivity you
> need.
>
> If you need to access a desktop for antenna or KPA500, use TeamViewer or
> Remote Desktop, and access any automation applications locally in the shack.
>
> I've done many public demos with the RemoteRig gear and K3/0.  I've also
> done simple Remotes using TeamViewer and Skype (just a laptop for the demo
> location).
>
> Let me know if I can help!
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE
> Operating the K3 family remotely to VY1AAA, K2LE and VE4EA
> Hancock, NH


From glcazzola at alice.it  Mon Nov 14 17:19:45 2016
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:19:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] great article on AGC by Fred Cady
Message-ID: <15864ecbbc5.glcazzola@alice.it>

Fred, I have seen your great article on AGC version 4.51 on your web page.I hadnt seen it before, my mistake.Now I have understood better how it work, THR and SLP, on K3/K3S.But, sorry, I repeat the question: what is/are the setting/settings that you prefer?For CW dx-ing and CW ragchewing, expecially.Thanks Ian IK4EWX
PS: I will wait your new book on K3S - KPAD programming macros, anxiously :)
.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 14 18:16:09 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] great article on AGC by Fred Cady
In-Reply-To: <15864ecbbc5.glcazzola@alice.it>
References: <15864ecbbc5.glcazzola@alice.it>
Message-ID: <ad7a4007-153c-e1ac-1a84-fd8ac780d3ca@embarqmail.com>

Ian,

You might also want to look at the information on my website 
www.w3fpr.com - Article on "Noisy K3" for more information about how to 
adjust your AGC parameters for your particular tastes and band conditions.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/14/2016 5:19 PM, glcazzola at alice.it wrote:
> Fred, I have seen your great article on AGC version 4.51 on your web page.I hadnt seen it before, my mistake.Now I have understood better how it work, THR and SLP, on K3/K3S.But, sorry, I repeat the question: what is/are the setting/settings that you prefer?For CW dx-ing and CW ragchewing, expecially.Thanks Ian IK4EWX
>

From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Nov 14 20:22:02 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:22:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

How about following Vic, 4X6GP's advice and test the K3 without the KPA500
in circuit? Your symptoms are exactly as if the K3 TX calibration is badly
out of wack as he suggests. The fact that a band change makes it worse is a
dead give-away. A band change makes the K3's ALC algorithm reset itself to
defaults and these defaults are set by the TX gain calibration. Your
situation seems a bit extreme, though, with only 20% initial power so there
may be other problems. But please test this out without the KPA500 in
circuit. And surely eliminate antenna problems by testing into a dummy load.

AB2TC - Knut

 


Bill Conkling wrote
> That hasn?t helped my KPA500.  I notice it particularly after a band
> change.
> 
> ?bill nr4c
> 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP &lt;

> k2vco.vic@

> &gt; wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Barthold,
>> 
>> Maybe the K3S output is ramping up slowly. Do you notice this with the
>> KPA500 off? Running the TX Gain Calibration in the K3 Utility might help
>> in that case.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
>> On 14 Nov 2016 00:51, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maybe you can help with something that is baffling me. My KPA500 doesn't
>>> go
>>> to full output until I have spoken my callsign (when trying to get
>>> through a
>>> pileup) a few times. It starts off with 100 or so watts, and after a few
>>> iterations rises to the full 500W output. I see this both on the KPA500
>>> LED
>>> bar, as well as on the P3 PEP output monitored by P3TXMON.  My full
>>> setup is
>>> K3S+KPA500+KAT500+P3+P3TXMON. All devices run the latest released
>>> firmware.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts much appreciated!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Barthold
>>> 
>>> AD0RM
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From ruler55 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 20:27:47 2016
From: ruler55 at gmail.com (Robie Elms)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 01:27:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK
In-Reply-To: <75FF7E3B-9B0A-445F-891A-7FB1F2554AC3@widomaker.com>
References: <CAAfqLSChYBemCXyYmPCn_KgHSO3jig0ea5NYzTAx=A8rj4xx+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c9522737-2b33-41f8-45d8-be5ff66f8efc@w0mu.com>
	<75FF7E3B-9B0A-445F-891A-7FB1F2554AC3@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CAAfqLSDi+XaEfdy7XAeahDH+5hdT7c8aFvDjeadHOsbOxgGNKw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Thanks for your input and as a result I have several new ideas to
investigate.

Robie

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Bill Conkling <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> Check software.  I have noted my software switches sub-modes when making
> changes.  It has to do with mode selection and mapping softwre modes tot he
> radio mode/sub-mode.
>
> bill nr4c
>
> > On Nov 13, 2016, at 11:40 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't solve you issue but the K3 is really good with FSK, ie clean.
> >
> > RF?  have you put ferrites on the cables with a number of turns? Does it
> happen with 5 watts, 50 watts 100 or 1000 watts?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/13/2016 8:47 PM, Robie Elms wrote:
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I have very limited experience with a K3 and I am helping a fellow club
> >> member get up and running on RTTY with his K3.  Here is the setup:
> >>
> >> 1. We are using MMTTY in the AFSK mode
> >>
> >> 2. line in/out on the transceiver connected to the computer sound card
> mic
> >> and speaker input/output
> >>
> >> 3. PTT is via command the radio control port.
> >>
> >>
> >> The problem we are having is intermittent transmission of data.  At
> times
> >> the set up works properly and then later when transmitting the K3 sends
> >> only a steady carrier.  It appears that the computer is outputting audio
> >> tones to the K3 when this situation occurs.  What are the potential
> causes
> >> of this problem.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Robie - AJ4F
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
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From navydude1962 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 20:32:25 2016
From: navydude1962 at yahoo.com (Ed)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:32:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?
Message-ID: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>

Before I install 73inc weighted knobs on my K3S, is anybody of the opinion that these knobs cause long-term damage to the PTO shaft?  These knobs are quite heavy, compared to the factory ones.  

Seems Elecraft used lightweight knobs for a reason. 

Input appreciated. 

73,
Ed NI6S

From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Mon Nov 14 22:07:45 2016
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:07:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?
In-Reply-To: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
References: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <94d44ef8-83d7-ce6e-0443-6f6d74804851@tx.rr.com>

I've been using a pair on my K3 since about 2011 and also have had a 
pair installed on my K3S for just over a year now. Zero problems. The 
tuning feel with the weighted knobs is wonderful. Go for it.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 11/14/2016 7:32 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote:
> Before I install 73inc weighted knobs on my K3S, is anybody of the opinion that these knobs cause long-term damage to the PTO shaft?  These knobs are quite heavy, compared to the factory ones.
>
> Seems Elecraft used lightweight knobs for a reason.
>
> Input appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Ed NI6S


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 14 22:28:49 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:28:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?
In-Reply-To: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
References: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56504c9c-8c8f-13f6-ca4f-c7aff3996739@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

Whether the weighted knobs will cause pre-mature wear to the encoder 
bearings is undetermined.

However, I would caution you to remove those heavy knobs before 
transporting or shipping the K3.  Any vertical bumps can cause the extra 
weight to bend the encoder shaft and create "rough spots" in the knob 
when rotated.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/14/2016 8:32 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote:
> Before I install 73inc weighted knobs on my K3S, is anybody of the opinion that these knobs cause long-term damage to the PTO shaft?  These knobs are quite heavy, compared to the factory ones.
>

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Nov 14 22:36:14 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:36:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
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just did that.  no help.

?bill
> On Nov 14, 2016, at 8:22 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How about following Vic, 4X6GP's advice and test the K3 without the KPA500
> in circuit? Your symptoms are exactly as if the K3 TX calibration is badly
> out of wack as he suggests. The fact that a band change makes it worse is a
> dead give-away. A band change makes the K3's ALC algorithm reset itself to
> defaults and these defaults are set by the TX gain calibration. Your
> situation seems a bit extreme, though, with only 20% initial power so there
> may be other problems. But please test this out without the KPA500 in
> circuit. And surely eliminate antenna problems by testing into a dummy load.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Conkling wrote
>> That hasn?t helped my KPA500.  I notice it particularly after a band
>> change.
>> 
>> ?bill nr4c
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP &lt;
> 
>> k2vco.vic@
> 
>> &gt; wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Barthold,
>>> 
>>> Maybe the K3S output is ramping up slowly. Do you notice this with the
>>> KPA500 off? Running the TX Gain Calibration in the K3 Utility might help
>>> in that case.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Vic, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> 
>>> On 14 Nov 2016 00:51, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe you can help with something that is baffling me. My KPA500 doesn't
>>>> go
>>>> to full output until I have spoken my callsign (when trying to get
>>>> through a
>>>> pileup) a few times. It starts off with 100 or so watts, and after a few
>>>> iterations rises to the full 500W output. I see this both on the KPA500
>>>> LED
>>>> bar, as well as on the P3 PEP output monitored by P3TXMON.  My full
>>>> setup is
>>>> K3S+KPA500+KAT500+P3+P3TXMON. All devices run the latest released
>>>> firmware.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts much appreciated!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Barthold
>>>> 
>>>> AD0RM
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From bartholdl at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 23:01:03 2016
From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:01:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>

Thanks all for all the suggestions!

Fred Cady privately suggested making sure my ALC and Mic gain are set correctly. I tuned that some more, and it is a lot better, but still doesn't immediately go to full power output. 

I will test without KPA500 next.

I have two antennas, so I can test with that too, to rule out antenna problems. 

As to answer your questions:

> Does the SWR also change?

Nope. Just power output. SWR graphs of my antenna are just fine (using a Rigexpert AA-600 antenna analyzer).

> Have you measured the output of the K3 with a separate watt meter?

I don't have one, but both the P3TXMON and the KPA power Leds show the effect.

> How are the three boxes connected? Are you using the AuxIO cable that comes with the KPA and KAT? 

Yes, using the 15pin cables from K3S to KPA500 and KAT500. No separate key line.  The P3 is connected with the RJ45 to dual serial connector cable.

> And lastly, might you have ALC enabled in the K3 menu? Anything you can tell me about the setup will be helpful.

Yes, TX ALC is ON (I never messed with that, had to look it up in the manual how to get it to show up even in the config).

ALC Threshold for the KPA500 is set to 210.

The K3S has these options: Second receiver, internal tuner (Set to bypass), frequency lock option, 4x 8 pole filters, DVR.

Again, thanks for the help and suggestions. Quite a friendly bunch of people here!

Barthold
AD0RM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ab2tc
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 6:22 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up

Hi,

How about following Vic, 4X6GP's advice and test the K3 without the KPA500 in circuit? Your symptoms are exactly as if the K3 TX calibration is badly out of wack as he suggests. The fact that a band change makes it worse is a dead give-away. A band change makes the K3's ALC algorithm reset itself to defaults and these defaults are set by the TX gain calibration. Your situation seems a bit extreme, though, with only 20% initial power so there may be other problems. But please test this out without the KPA500 in circuit. And surely eliminate antenna problems by testing into a dummy load.

AB2TC - Knut

 


Bill Conkling wrote
> That hasn?t helped my KPA500.  I notice it particularly after a band 
> change.
> 
> ?bill nr4c
> 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP &lt;

> k2vco.vic@

> &gt; wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Barthold,
>> 
>> Maybe the K3S output is ramping up slowly. Do you notice this with 
>> the
>> KPA500 off? Running the TX Gain Calibration in the K3 Utility might 
>> help in that case.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
>> On 14 Nov 2016 00:51, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maybe you can help with something that is baffling me. My KPA500 
>>> doesn't go to full output until I have spoken my callsign (when 
>>> trying to get through a
>>> pileup) a few times. It starts off with 100 or so watts, and after a 
>>> few iterations rises to the full 500W output. I see this both on the 
>>> KPA500 LED bar, as well as on the P3 PEP output monitored by 
>>> P3TXMON.  My full setup is
>>> K3S+KPA500+KAT500+P3+P3TXMON. All devices run the latest released
>>> firmware.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts much appreciated!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Barthold
>>> 
>>> AD0RM
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From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Nov 14 23:23:09 2016
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 04:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale.
Message-ID: <SC1P152MB172647FF2643EBE8016FBE749CBF0@SC1P152MB1726.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have a K3-100 factory built unit.  I am sending into Elecraft to transfer my components into a K3s and have all current updates added to the K3.  I will include the tuner, gold pin updates and any items that are already in the K3s.  The 6 meter rf amplifier will also be included.  Unit is clean, no . environment.  I will sell and have sent directly from factory to purchasing user, who may also wish to add more features installed at the factory.  The K3s standard filter will be transferred to the K3. I am looking for $1850 plus shipping and PayPal fees.

Bill
K9YEQ


From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Nov 15 00:31:37 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:31:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>
Message-ID: <92F6A3E8-592C-48BB-A01A-25FA31277C11@me.com>

Several things I would suggest:

1) Turn off external ALC in the K3. We recommend NOT using it with the KPA500 (or any other amp for that matter).

2) Run the test with the K3 connected to a power meter then a dummy load to see if the problem persists. If so,
you probably need to recalibrate the K3. If it does not, then we need to look further at the K3-KPA connection.

3) Connect the output of the KPA500 to a high-power dummy load and test. Even though the RigExpert may indicate
a good match, that is at very low power. At high power things can change, arcs may occur and other bad things may
happen. Make sure the setup works just fine into a dummy load, THEN connect to the antenna.

4) The KPA500 can show you voltage and current for the PA transistors. Make note of each as you key up the K3 to
see what is happening. They should go to fairly stable conditions fairly rapidly if the transmitter does the same. If
it is taking its time, then look to the transmitter for the cause.

Note that the KPA is either full on or off. It does not (nor can it) vary its output power in any other way. If there were 
a problem in the 15m LPF you could see a problem, but it would be persistent, not recovering as you indicate. So far
I am not seeing anything that indicates the problem is in the KPA. Please run the above suggestions. I am very
interested in the results.

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

(sent a second time trying to get the email list to accept the email...)

> On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks all for all the suggestions!
> 
> Fred Cady privately suggested making sure my ALC and Mic gain are set correctly. I tuned that some more, and it is a lot better, but still doesn't immediately go to full power output. 
> 
> I will test without KPA500 next.
> 
> I have two antennas, so I can test with that too, to rule out antenna problems. 
> 
> As to answer your questions:
> 
>> Does the SWR also change?
> 
> Nope. Just power output. SWR graphs of my antenna are just fine (using a Rigexpert AA-600 antenna analyzer).
> 
>> Have you measured the output of the K3 with a separate watt meter?
> 
> I don't have one, but both the P3TXMON and the KPA power Leds show the effect.
> 
>> How are the three boxes connected? Are you using the AuxIO cable that comes with the KPA and KAT? 
> 
> Yes, using the 15pin cables from K3S to KPA500 and KAT500. No separate key line.  The P3 is connected with the RJ45 to dual serial connector cable.
> 
>> And lastly, might you have ALC enabled in the K3 menu? Anything you can tell me about the setup will be helpful.
> 
> Yes, TX ALC is ON (I never messed with that, had to look it up in the manual how to get it to show up even in the config).
> 
> ALC Threshold for the KPA500 is set to 210.
> 
> The K3S has these options: Second receiver, internal tuner (Set to bypass), frequency lock option, 4x 8 pole filters, DVR.
> 
> Again, thanks for the help and suggestions. Quite a friendly bunch of people here!
> 
> Barthold
> AD0RM


From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Nov 15 07:07:58 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 04:07:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?
In-Reply-To: <94d44ef8-83d7-ce6e-0443-6f6d74804851@tx.rr.com>
References: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
	<94d44ef8-83d7-ce6e-0443-6f6d74804851@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <f9fecc51-d15c-7ee4-2a2a-deafdfd2a153@nk7z.net>

Be aware that if you ship the radio, you will want to remove the heavy 
knobs...

If the radio is man handled, the the moment of inertia, (for lack of a 
better term), can get quite high when the package is dropped, and break 
the encoder shaft.

Dave

On 11/14/2016 07:07 PM, Randy Farmer wrote:
> I've been using a pair on my K3 since about 2011 and also have had a 
> pair installed on my K3S for just over a year now. Zero problems. The 
> tuning feel with the weighted knobs is wonderful. Go for it.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
>
> On 11/14/2016 7:32 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote:
>> Before I install 73inc weighted knobs on my K3S, is anybody of the 
>> opinion that these knobs cause long-term damage to the PTO shaft?  
>> These knobs are quite heavy, compared to the factory ones.
>>
>> Seems Elecraft used lightweight knobs for a reason.
>>
>> Input appreciated.
>>
>> 73,
>> Ed NI6S
>
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Tue Nov 15 07:34:18 2016
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:34:18 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?
In-Reply-To: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
References: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEFF0C24-079C-4D3B-9FF4-1EAAB8A57B1E@socket.net>

Ed ...

They've been installed on my K3 for 9 years, and on my KX3 ever since it came out.  No problems so far. 

The company is 73cnc, by the way.  Not 73inc.

They no longer make the spun aluminum knobs for the K3, unfortunately.  Just the plain black ones.

73,  Kent  K9ZTV



> On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Ed via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Before I install 73inc weighted knobs on my K3S, is anybody of the opinion that these knobs cause long-term damage to the PTO shaft?  These knobs are quite heavy, compared to the factory ones.  
> 
> Seems Elecraft used lightweight knobs for a reason. 
> 
> Input appreciated. 
> 
> 73,
> Ed NI6S


From k9ztv at socket.net  Tue Nov 15 07:57:45 2016
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:57:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?
In-Reply-To: <f9fecc51-d15c-7ee4-2a2a-deafdfd2a153@nk7z.net>
References: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
	<94d44ef8-83d7-ce6e-0443-6f6d74804851@tx.rr.com>
	<f9fecc51-d15c-7ee4-2a2a-deafdfd2a153@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <1FEC7B21-B04D-438A-973B-84DE456D2936@socket.net>


While we're on the subject of protection for the K3, back in the fall of 2007, when we were asked to setup a display table for the newly released rigs (sn 008 & 021) for the Lebanon Hamfest and in a quandry as to how to transport them safely, the late Tom Hammond (N0SS) came across military surplus night-vision goggle cases that are just perfect for the K3.  I see they are still available for $25.  At least the site is still active.  I wouldn't drive an Abrams tank over them, but they'll survive darn near anything less. 

http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/military-issue-unique-items-odds-and-ends/military-aluminum-pressurized-case-night-vision-goggles-storage-case.html

73,  Kent  K9ZTV


> On Nov 15, 2016, at 6:07 AM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> Be aware that if you ship the radio, you will want to remove the heavy knobs...
> 
> If the radio is man handled, the the moment of inertia, (for lack of a better term), can get quite high when the package is dropped, and break the encoder shaft.
> 
> Dave

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 15 08:43:38 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Low Line-In level
In-Reply-To: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <e24ceeac-04d5-494c-ed42-ac99c9749733@embarqmail.com>

Dragan,

Does the K3 still respond to microphone input as it did before?
If the answer is YES, then I would suspect the soundcard is the source 
of your problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/14/2016 12:48 PM, Dragan 4O4A wrote:
> I am an occasional user of digital modes.
> My K3 is conntected to my PCs via in-line-out cables.
>
> Usually, I used PC speakers gain to about 50-75% of max, and Line level on
> K3 was about 10 or so. ALC used to be 4 bars, with 5th bar flickering, or
> lower.
>
> Recently, I cannot setup line-in level as it was before.
> Even if I setup both PC audio to 100% and Line to max (60), I can hear very
> weak sound. VOX (DATA A) works properly, but audio signal is very weak.
> If I setup Monitor to max (60), I can hear sound but it is very "dirty".
>
> Where to start? :)
>
> Regards,
> Dragan, 4O4A
>
>
>
>
> --
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From doug at k0dxv.com  Tue Nov 15 11:51:34 2016
From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:51:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?
In-Reply-To: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
References: <8BAB8F12-B084-4767-B46B-AF0ABA6419D6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eb267801-dc2b-7b69-553f-bfc426384dd9@k0dxv.com>

Used one for years.  Never had a problem.  The encoder is not THAT 
fragile.  The extra weight is very pleasant to have.

73, Doug -- K0DXV


On 11/14/16 6:32 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote:
> Before I install 73inc weighted knobs on my K3S, is anybody of the opinion that these knobs cause long-term damage to the PTO shaft?  These knobs are quite heavy, compared to the factory ones.
>
> Seems Elecraft used lightweight knobs for a reason.
>
> Input appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Ed NI6S
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From n7tb at comcast.net  Tue Nov 15 13:43:03 2016
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:43:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR Problem and KPXA 100 behavior
Message-ID: <003c01d23f70$19606340$4c2129c0$@comcast.net>

Hello Group,

 

I am having a problem that I have not seen before.   I have a KX3 connected
to a KPXA100.  When I tune my yagi, I get 1.2 to 1 SWR when I press the tune
button on 10-15--20.  The rig shows that the SWR does not change during CW
transmissions.  When running 100W, the LED indicator on the amp shows 100 W
on 10 and 80W on 15-20.  SWR is stable.

 

When I change to my 240 ish ft. horizontal loop fed with open 450 ohm ladder
to a 4:1 voltage balun, as I drop down to 30M, I have about 40W showing on
the amp as the output, but the SWR stays at 1.5 on the radio meter and amp
meter. 

 

When I go down to 40M, the power output goes back up to 60W and the SWR
remains below 2:1.

 

When I go to 80, however, a strange thing is occurring.  The power indicator
on the amp shows 50W max.  I tune the KX3 to 1.2:1 but as soon as I start to
transmit, the swr meter on the KX3 jumps up to 4+, but the SWR led on the
KPXA still shows 1.2:1.

 

Can someone help me figure out what is going on?  

 

Thanks,

 

Terry, N7TB


From johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com  Tue Nov 15 14:16:14 2016
From: johnk2jhu at cfl.rr.com (John)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:16:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <D5.D6.30921.D5E5B285@cdptpa-omsmta02>



John...
Peace Through Strength 



From joe at ioka.net  Tue Nov 15 17:24:58 2016
From: joe at ioka.net (Joe Hall)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:24:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] KBPF3A for sale
Message-ID: <000301d23f8f$198e6000$4cab2000$@ioka.net>

I've got a KBPF3A "General Coverage RX Bandpass Module" for sale for $130
shipped by USPS Priority Mail anywhere in the USA.  Works perfectly.

Includes: circuit board, hardware kit, and installation instructions.  Also
includes the bypass capacitor that should be installed on the K3 or KRX3
main board in order to tune below 500 kHz.   This is all the stuff you get
when you buy this upgrade from Elecraft.  This KBPF3 was bought new from
Elecraft in late 2013 along with my K3 and was just (early November 2016)
sent in to them to do the SMD mods to bring it up to KBPF3A specs.  These
sell for $179.95 new.

Please contact me at "joe at ioka dot net" to ask questions or purchase.

73,
Joe Hall / WB1M

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From hotrod541 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 15 17:46:22 2016
From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (louis a. ives)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:46:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
Message-ID: <BLUPR19MB0163C2E9337B5D965D5943C2F5BF0@BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I have been following the thread with regards to the setting of the AGC of the K-3 with great interest.  I am new to the use of the K-3 even though I have owned the radio for some time.  I had  a medical issue that delayed my use of the unit.    My K-3 has been updated with all of the current K-3s upgrades and I use a KPA500.  The thread has given several settings for AGC SLP and AGC THR but I noticed that the setting for the other AGC settings are not mentioned.  Should  I assume that the other default settings are to be used?   I tried the suggested settings and found that they did help with the reception of weak signals.  I work a lot of DX SSB and working the pileups can be a problem.  I also would like to thank KE7X for the great book on the K-3, it has been a great help and has answered a lot of questions.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
73 
Louis, KJ4ZSI


PSent from my iPad

From joe at ioka.net  Tue Nov 15 18:18:22 2016
From: joe at ioka.net (Joe Hall)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:18:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] KBPF3A for sale
Message-ID: <001601d23f96$8f850730$ae8f1590$@ioka.net>

KBPF3A has been sold.  


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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hall [mailto:joe at ioka.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:25 PM
To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [K3] KBPF3A for sale

I've got a KBPF3A "General Coverage RX Bandpass Module" for sale for $130
shipped by USPS Priority Mail anywhere in the USA.  Works perfectly.

Includes: circuit board, hardware kit, and installation instructions.  Also
includes the bypass capacitor that should be installed on the K3 or KRX3
main board in order to tune below 500 kHz.   This is all the stuff you get
when you buy this upgrade from Elecraft.  This KBPF3 was bought new from
Elecraft in late 2013 along with my K3 and was just (early November 2016)
sent in to them to do the SMD mods to bring it up to KBPF3A specs.  These
sell for $179.95 new.

Please contact me at "joe at ioka dot net" to ask questions or purchase.

73,
Joe Hall / WB1M

--
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From idarack at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 18:24:50 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 23:24:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3USB Drivers
Message-ID: <CAGC7P25HfkHwMJtjvdS9X9UFs7xbP_bwfmTMD8MnOt3PF0jKig@mail.gmail.com>

I am setting up a new 64 bit Windows 7 Pro computer and need to make sure I
have downloaded the correct K3USB Drivers for my K3s.

Following the Elecraft web site link, I downloaded VCP Drivers - CDMV
2.12.24 zip file?

Thanks, Irwin KD3TB

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 15 20:42:30 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR19MB0163C2E9337B5D965D5943C2F5BF0@BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLUPR19MB0163C2E9337B5D965D5943C2F5BF0@BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <82c9562d-d1e4-b585-b05c-41e021478c5e@embarqmail.com>

Louis,

I am not one to give you specific settings for you to just plug in and 
use.  If I did so, I would just tell you to use the default settings.
Every location and operating style is different, and you can enhance the 
AGC performance to meet your particular situation.

Please read the "Noisy K3" information on my webiste www.w3fpr/com to 
give you guidelines on how to adjust your particular AGC.
Pay particular attention to the method for evaluating the results of 
your adjustments - it is critical that you listen to short gaps in the 
CW or SSB voice to determine the best settings for you.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/15/2016 5:46 PM, louis a. ives wrote:
> I have been following the thread with regards to the setting of the AGC of the K-3 with great interest.  I am new to the use of the K-3 even though I have owned the radio for some time.  I had  a medical issue that delayed my use of the unit.    My K-3 has been updated with all of the current K-3s upgrades and I use a KPA500.  The thread has given several settings for AGC SLP and AGC THR but I noticed that the setting for the other AGC settings are not mentioned.  Should  I assume that the other default settings are to be used?   I tried the suggested settings and found that they did help with the reception of weak signals.  I work a lot of DX SSB and working the pileups can be a problem.  I also would like to thank KE7X for the great book on the K-3, it has been a great help and has answered a lot of questions.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance

From matt at nq6n.com  Tue Nov 15 21:37:17 2016
From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:37:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
In-Reply-To: <82c9562d-d1e4-b585-b05c-41e021478c5e@embarqmail.com>
References: <BLUPR19MB0163C2E9337B5D965D5943C2F5BF0@BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<82c9562d-d1e4-b585-b05c-41e021478c5e@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANth69jH9AH7eu4jJefjNov_-2PaaHs17S69GSwmY43_iD4S+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Louis,

FWIW I like my K3 noisy, almost so it sounds like there is no AGC action,
just enough to protect my ears from an unexpected loud signal. I've found
that this makes it easiest to copy extremely weak CW signals that are below
the noise, and prevents static pops from covering up the signal.  The two
settings to adjust are AGC threshold and AGC slope.  Start with threshold
as it will make the biggest difference in how strong vs weak signals
sound.  If you need finer-grained control, the AGC threshold can be useful.
The other settings should be fine at their default values. The AGC decay
"soft" setting is preferred by some in pileups, so you might try both
settings.

I found this writeup which looks pretty good:

http://www.ad4c.us/Elecraft%20K3/AGC%20Tutorial.pdf


73,
Matt NQ6N

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Louis,
>
> I am not one to give you specific settings for you to just plug in and
> use.  If I did so, I would just tell you to use the default settings.
> Every location and operating style is different, and you can enhance the
> AGC performance to meet your particular situation.
>
> Please read the "Noisy K3" information on my webiste www.w3fpr/com to give
> you guidelines on how to adjust your particular AGC.
> Pay particular attention to the method for evaluating the results of your
> adjustments - it is critical that you listen to short gaps in the CW or SSB
> voice to determine the best settings for you.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/15/2016 5:46 PM, louis a. ives wrote:
>
>> I have been following the thread with regards to the setting of the AGC
>> of the K-3 with great interest.  I am new to the use of the K-3 even though
>> I have owned the radio for some time.  I had  a medical issue that delayed
>> my use of the unit.    My K-3 has been updated with all of the current K-3s
>> upgrades and I use a KPA500.  The thread has given several settings for AGC
>> SLP and AGC THR but I noticed that the setting for the other AGC settings
>> are not mentioned.  Should  I assume that the other default settings are to
>> be used?   I tried the suggested settings and found that they did help with
>> the reception of weak signals.  I work a lot of DX SSB and working the
>> pileups can be a problem.  I also would like to thank KE7X for the great
>> book on the K-3, it has been a great help and has answered a lot of
>> questions.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance
>>
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From bartholdl at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 23:42:36 2016
From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:42:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results Nov 6, 2016
In-Reply-To: <1D1502D9-24D2-42E5-B29C-279C5B82B7DC@riousa.com>
References: <72101C2A-4E3E-4B4E-8003-86602E379F04@gmail.com>
	<1D1502D9-24D2-42E5-B29C-279C5B82B7DC@riousa.com>
Message-ID: <00c301d23fc3$daaab980$90002c80$@com>

Is it OK to use ESSB on the net?

Thanks,
Barthold
AD0RM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Shepard
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 12:06 PM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results Nov 6, 2016

Here are the results from the SSB net of Nov 6, 2016.  Thanks to W4RKS,
N6JW, WO1I, NC0JW and any others who helped with relays, etc. Have a great
week and remember to vote.

CALL		NAME		QTH	RIG		NOTES

W4RKS		Jim			TX		K3		3618
N6JW		John		CA		K3		936
W5MLM		Mark		TX		KX3		8673	
KD7BCF		Gene		OR		KX3		7071	
KB9FMV		Paul			IL		FT1000
WO1I		Dick			MA		K3		911
W7SNR		Bob			AZ		K3		343
NC5G		George		TX		K2		2217
NC0JW		Jim			CO		KX3		1356
W9LSE		Bob			WI		KX3		945
N7BDL		Terry		AZ		K3S		10373
W4PFM		Paul			VA		K3		1673
K4GCJ		Gerry		NC		K3		1597
KN5L		John		TX		K2		7212
ZL1PWD		Peter		NZ		K3		139
AD5SX		Paul			NM		K3		4645
W0CZ		Ken			ND		K3S
10329
W7QHD		Kurt			AZ		KX3		8697
K6WDE		Dave		CA		KX3		4599
W4SC		Ben			SC		KX2		39
WW9S		Dave		IL		K3S		10115
W7JKL		John		WA		KX3		993
K6SAB		Steve		CA		K3		7497
KK4FLZ/m	Tom			TN		FT857D
AD6A		Dave		CA		K32		1162
N2LRB		Jose		NY		KX3		7791
W7REK		Glen		AZ		K3		2843
N4NRW		Roger		SC		K3		1318
NS7P		Phil			OR		K3		1826

73,
Phil, NS7P
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From brianmo at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 00:16:51 2016
From: brianmo at yahoo.com (Brian Moran)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 05:16:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Always Flashing TX on K3S on power up
References: <461756080.850476.1479273411100.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <461756080.850476.1479273411100@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm getting an always-flashing TX on the LCD about 3 seconds after I power up our K3S; I'm running? firmware 5.50 (though it was happening with 5.38). There are no "PTT ERR" or "KEY ERR" messages displayed on power up.

The ONLY connections on the rear panel are Antenna and Power -- Nothing plugged into USB, Nothing into ACC, Nothing plugged into PTT. The Config: PTT-KEY is set to Off/Off. 

There is nothing plugged into the mic jack on the front panel.
Pressing the Test button on the front panel doesn't clear this mode to NORM. It doesn't matter what mode the radio is in, the LCD TX indicator just keeps flashing.

Anyone have any ideas ?
I will call Elecraft tomorrow, but thought perhaps someone would recognize this ...Thanks!-Brian N9ADG

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Nov 16 00:54:36 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:54:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results Nov 6, 2016
In-Reply-To: <00c301d23fc3$daaab980$90002c80$@com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10121i-21DF142803B640B88D972D1677B02A5C@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I have seen activity on frequencies just above the net frequency 
of 14,303.5, so ESSB might interfere with those people. Given 
how hard it is to pull some net stations out of the noise, most 
stations are probably using rather narrow receive bandwidths, so 
a full spectrum signal will be cut off by the receivers.

I would stick with communications grade bandwidth.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 11/15/16 at 8:42 PM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Barthold 
Lichtenbelt via Elecraft) wrote:

>Is it OK to use ESSB on the net?

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From brianmo at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 01:52:13 2016
From: brianmo at yahoo.com (Brian Moran)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:52:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Flashing TX - sort of fixed
References: <169336473.893151.1479279133355.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <169336473.893151.1479279133355@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm not sure I "solved" it, but here's how I got the flashing TX to stop.
Again, this is with a K3S, fw 5.50. Nothing attached to the rear panel, especially the ACC connector. LCD TX was constantly flashing. 

Went into Config: TX Inh, which was set to Inh=LO.? set Inh=Off. Flashing? TX stopped, TX functionality restored.. 
Went back into Config: TX inh, and set it to Inh=LO again. The Flashing TX did NOT re-occur. TX functions.
Seems like there was some sort of TX Inh latch state that was cleared by turning TX Inh off or on.
Re-cabling the K3S, and no problems so far -- Our ACC cable has a 1K resistor to +5v on pin 10 (tx_inh).? That is now being obeyed again.
-Brian N9ADG




From w2lj at verizon.net  Wed Nov 16 06:00:55 2016
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC November Sprint this Wednesday Evening
Message-ID: <2cec4d5b505c7448bf72ab4d39ae3f5d@192.168.1.2>

The November sprint is this coming this evening local time (November 16th,
EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Thursday, November 17th, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201611.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/

From alsopb at comcast.net  Wed Nov 16 08:03:24 2016
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:03:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
In-Reply-To: <CANth69jH9AH7eu4jJefjNov_-2PaaHs17S69GSwmY43_iD4S+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR19MB0163C2E9337B5D965D5943C2F5BF0@BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>	<82c9562d-d1e4-b585-b05c-41e021478c5e@embarqmail.com>
	<CANth69jH9AH7eu4jJefjNov_-2PaaHs17S69GSwmY43_iD4S+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <582C591C.10100@comcast.net>

Hi Matt,

I used to think I could copy CW signals below the noise.
However when I put SPECTROGRAM in line and actually measured the S/N 
ratio the results were disappointing.

According the SPECTROGRAM, those "in the noise" signals actually had an 
+8-10 dB S/N ratio.

Try it and see for yourself.

Likewise those WSPR and JT65 guys have been mislead by the -dB (e.g. 
-20) edited signal strengths.  They need to know that those are 
calculated with a 2.4 - 2.8 KHz assumed noise power.  In reality, many 
of the negative "dB" value signals can be copied by ear.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 11/16/2016 2:37 AM, Matt Murphy wrote:
> Louis,
>
> FWIW I like my K3 noisy, almost so it sounds like there is no AGC action,
> just enough to protect my ears from an unexpected loud signal. I've found
> that this makes it easiest to copy extremely weak CW signals that are below
> the noise, and prevents static pops from covering up the signal.  The two
> settings to adjust are AGC threshold and AGC slope.  Start with threshold
> as it will make the biggest difference in how strong vs weak signals
> sound.  If you need finer-grained control, the AGC threshold can be useful.
> The other settings should be fine at their default values. The AGC decay
> "soft" setting is preferred by some in pileups, so you might try both
> settings.
>
> I found this writeup which looks pretty good:
>
> http://www.ad4c.us/Elecraft%20K3/AGC%20Tutorial.pdf
>
>
> 73,
> Matt NQ6N
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Louis,
>>
>> I am not one to give you specific settings for you to just plug in and
>> use.  If I did so, I would just tell you to use the default settings.
>> Every location and operating style is different, and you can enhance the
>> AGC performance to meet your particular situation.
>>
>> Please read the "Noisy K3" information on my webiste www.w3fpr/com to give
>> you guidelines on how to adjust your particular AGC.
>> Pay particular attention to the method for evaluating the results of your
>> adjustments - it is critical that you listen to short gaps in the CW or SSB
>> voice to determine the best settings for you.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 11/15/2016 5:46 PM, louis a. ives wrote:
>>
>>> I have been following the thread with regards to the setting of the AGC
>>> of the K-3 with great interest.  I am new to the use of the K-3 even though
>>> I have owned the radio for some time.  I had  a medical issue that delayed
>>> my use of the unit.    My K-3 has been updated with all of the current K-3s
>>> upgrades and I use a KPA500.  The thread has given several settings for AGC
>>> SLP and AGC THR but I noticed that the setting for the other AGC settings
>>> are not mentioned.  Should  I assume that the other default settings are to
>>> be used?   I tried the suggested settings and found that they did help with
>>> the reception of weak signals.  I work a lot of DX SSB and working the
>>> pileups can be a problem.  I also would like to thank KE7X for the great
>>> book on the K-3, it has been a great help and has answered a lot of
>>> questions.
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
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From lladerman at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 16 11:41:20 2016
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:41:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: 73CNC spinner knob for the KX3
Message-ID: <1479314480864-7624057.post@n2.nabble.com>

  
Looking for a 73CNC spinner knob for the KX3. This is the one described as a
Weighted Tuning Knob with Ball Bearing Dimple & Aluminum Inlay. Please
respond with shipped asking price and condition. 73, Lou, W0FK
   



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From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Wed Nov 16 12:04:06 2016
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:04:06 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <92F6A3E8-592C-48BB-A01A-25FA31277C11@me.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>
	<92F6A3E8-592C-48BB-A01A-25FA31277C11@me.com>
Message-ID: <b95a2915-b993-42db-b03d-131da00177c7@xs4all.nl>

This might be a problem with the pin diode T/R switching in the KPA500.


73,

Arie





From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Nov 16 12:56:09 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:56:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <b95a2915-b993-42db-b03d-131da00177c7@xs4all.nl>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>
	<92F6A3E8-592C-48BB-A01A-25FA31277C11@me.com>
	<b95a2915-b993-42db-b03d-131da00177c7@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <EBD34569-1823-4C38-94E7-3D52405CF3B8@me.com>

A TR switch failure would affect all bands. This one is a bit different. It will be interesting to see the cause when we finish troubleshooting.

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> This might be a problem with the pin diode T/R switching in the KPA500.
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Arie
> 
> 
> 
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From ar at dseven.org  Wed Nov 16 13:12:20 2016
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:12:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <EBD34569-1823-4C38-94E7-3D52405CF3B8@me.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>
	<92F6A3E8-592C-48BB-A01A-25FA31277C11@me.com>
	<b95a2915-b993-42db-b03d-131da00177c7@xs4all.nl>
	<EBD34569-1823-4C38-94E7-3D52405CF3B8@me.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B1vq-PgqOBNOO7CHtN6V7e-odd6ztAHu0ug6T8VYmn_Og@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't see anything in this thread that suggested that the problem
wasn't observed on all bands. Maybe I missed it?

Also haven't noticed anyone suggest using the K3's "TUNE" function,
instead of SSB modulation, as a test. If the output ramps up with the
TUNE function, it's an output problem. If it doesn't, it might be an
issue of insufficient audio input for SSB modulation. (AFAIK) the K3
will automatically boost the audio input if it detects that there's
not enough (a feature that I'm not particularly fond of).

73,

    ~iain / N6ML



On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> A TR switch failure would affect all bands. This one is a bit different. It will be interesting to see the cause when we finish troubleshooting.
>
> Jack Brindle, W6FB
> Elecraft Engineering
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> This might be a problem with the pin diode T/R switching in the KPA500.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Arie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From bartholdl at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 15:24:37 2016
From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:24:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <CACDL7B1vq-PgqOBNOO7CHtN6V7e-odd6ztAHu0ug6T8VYmn_Og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>	<004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>	<92F6A3E8-592C-48BB-A01A-25FA31277C11@me.com>	<b95a2915-b993-42db-b03d-131da00177c7@xs4all.nl>	<EBD34569-1823-4C38-94E7-3D52405CF3B8@me.com>
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Message-ID: <00e301d24047$74038890$5c0a99b0$@com>

> I didn't see anything in this thread that suggested that the problem
wasn't observed on all bands. Maybe I missed it?

I see it on 20m, 40m, 80m, on two different antennas. Haven't tried any
other bands.

> Also haven't noticed anyone suggest using the K3's "TUNE" function,
instead of SSB modulation, as a test.

Excellent idea! It does NOT happen when I use the TUNE function. Not with
the KPA500 in standby nor in operation. Tried 20m and 40m.

> If it doesn't, it might be an issue of insufficient audio input for SSB
modulation. (AFAIK) the K3 will automatically boost the audio input if it
detects that there's not enough (a feature that I'm not particularly fond
of).

I carefully tuned the Mic gain and Compression as per the manual. ALC goes
up to 5 or 6 bars, compression below 10 dB when I speak in my normal voice.
So that suggests input side is OK?

Barthold
AD0RM


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of iain
macdonnell - N6ML
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 11:12 AM
To: Jack Brindle
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up

I didn't see anything in this thread that suggested that the problem wasn't
observed on all bands. Maybe I missed it?

Also haven't noticed anyone suggest using the K3's "TUNE" function, instead
of SSB modulation, as a test. If the output ramps up with the TUNE function,
it's an output problem. If it doesn't, it might be an issue of insufficient
audio input for SSB modulation. (AFAIK) the K3 will automatically boost the
audio input if it detects that there's not enough (a feature that I'm not
particularly fond of).

73,

    ~iain / N6ML



On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> A TR switch failure would affect all bands. This one is a bit different.
It will be interesting to see the cause when we finish troubleshooting.
>
> Jack Brindle, W6FB
> Elecraft Engineering
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> This might be a problem with the pin diode T/R switching in the KPA500.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Arie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From fcady at montana.edu  Wed Nov 16 18:19:35 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:19:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] great article on AGC by Fred Cady
In-Reply-To: <ad7a4007-153c-e1ac-1a84-fd8ac780d3ca@embarqmail.com>
References: <15864ecbbc5.glcazzola@alice.it>,
	<ad7a4007-153c-e1ac-1a84-fd8ac780d3ca@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB0809740C71A784CC9DD2E755AFBE0@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>


Hi Ian,

Most of my operating has been contesting and dealing with pileups.  I want to have the most discrimination or differences between different strength signals in the pile up.  And it would also like the radio to be as linear as possible.  So I would normally use a high threshold and SLP=0 (oddly, that is the steepest slope) so that loud signals sound loud and weak signals weak.  On the other hand, for rag chewing in a you might want all signals to sound pretty much alike.  Then choosing a low thr and slope=15 will flatten out the signals.


Don has some great ideas on setting AGC in his article, especially regarding noise.  It is easy to hear (and see) if  you have the THR set too low and noise is activating the AGC.  Tune to a noisy band and then start cranking THR down.  When you get too low you can easily hear the noise level decrease.  If you set up the dBV measurement you can actually measure the reduction in audio level.


73,

Fred KE7X

________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:16 PM
To: glcazzola at alice.it; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] great article on AGC by Fred Cady

Ian,

You might also want to look at the information on my website
www.w3fpr.com<http://www.w3fpr.com> - Article on "Noisy K3" for more information about how to
adjust your AGC parameters for your particular tastes and band conditions.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/14/2016 5:19 PM, glcazzola at alice.it wrote:
> Fred, I have seen your great article on AGC version 4.51 on your web page.I hadnt seen it before, my mistake.Now I have understood better how it work, THR and SLP, on K3/K3S.But, sorry, I repeat the question: what is/are the setting/settings that you prefer?For CW dx-ing and CW ragchewing, expecially.Thanks Ian IK4EWX
>
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From andrewfaber at ymail.com  Wed Nov 16 18:28:29 2016
From: andrewfaber at ymail.com (Andrew Faber)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:28:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] great article on AGC by Fred Cady
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0201MB0809740C71A784CC9DD2E755AFBE0@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <15864ecbbc5.glcazzola@alice.it>,
	<ad7a4007-153c-e1ac-1a84-fd8ac780d3ca@embarqmail.com>
	<CY1PR0201MB0809740C71A784CC9DD2E755AFBE0@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8D9E4A790B2C4A649D499E8AA6311F3B@BC.local>

Ian,
At P49Y, I also like to use SLP=0 for pileups, because then one can "ride" 
the RF Gain control to try to differentiate signals within a pileup. On the 
other hand, for casual operation, it is easier on your ears to use higher 
values of SLP in order to make the volume of signals more constant.  This 
also works better in a contest for the second radio if it is used for S&P on 
another band.
73, andy ae6y p49y

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cady, Fred
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:19 PM
To: glcazzola at alice.it ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] great article on AGC by Fred Cady


Hi Ian,

Most of my operating has been contesting and dealing with pileups.  I want 
to have the most discrimination or differences between different strength 
signals in the pile up.  And it would also like the radio to be as linear as 
possible.  So I would normally use a high threshold and SLP=0 (oddly, that 
is the steepest slope) so that loud signals sound loud and weak signals 
weak.  On the other hand, for rag chewing in a you might want all signals to 
sound pretty much alike.  Then choosing a low thr and slope=15 will flatten 
out the signals.


Don has some great ideas on setting AGC in his article, especially regarding 
noise.  It is easy to hear (and see) if  you have the THR set too low and 
noise is activating the AGC.  Tune to a noisy band and then start cranking 
THR down.  When you get too low you can easily hear the noise level 
decrease.  If you set up the dBV measurement you can actually measure the 
reduction in audio level.


73,

Fred KE7X

________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Don Wilhelm 
<donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:16 PM
To: glcazzola at alice.it; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] great article on AGC by Fred Cady

Ian,

You might also want to look at the information on my website
www.w3fpr.com<http://www.w3fpr.com> - Article on "Noisy K3" for more 
information about how to
adjust your AGC parameters for your particular tastes and band conditions.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/14/2016 5:19 PM, glcazzola at alice.it wrote:
> Fred, I have seen your great article on AGC version 4.51 on your web 
> page.I hadnt seen it before, my mistake.Now I have understood better how 
> it work, THR and SLP, on K3/K3S.But, sorry, I repeat the question: what 
> is/are the setting/settings that you prefer?For CW dx-ing and CW 
> ragchewing, expecially.Thanks Ian IK4EWX
>
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From wcbilljohnson at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 18:57:46 2016
From: wcbilljohnson at yahoo.com (William C. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:57:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Check Out The Elecraft Line-Up
References: <1504944445.1590979.1479340666047.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1504944445.1590979.1479340666047@mail.yahoo.com>

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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Nov 16 20:04:13 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:04:13 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
Message-ID: <201611170104.uAH146sm027437@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

Just a comment/correction about JT65:

I don't know who is claiming 20-dB improvement over CW, but the 
creator of JT65, Joe Taylor - K1JT has stated that "about" ten dB 
improvement can be realized.  I can hear -18 dB JT65 tones from eme 
signals.  This fits well with the theory of receiving weak-signals, 
be they CW or digital.

The typical (or maybe better than typical) CW op can hear copy 
signals down to 17 dB below what is SNR = 0 dB in a 2.5 KHz 
bandwidth.  How that is determined is by reducing bw to 50-Hz.  The 
improvement in SNR from 2.5 KHz to 50-Hz is given by 10Log(2500/50) = 
10 Log(50) = 17 dB.

JT-65 signals can be decoded down at -28 dB referenced to 2.5 KHz, 
thus about 10-dB improvement over hearing CW.

I find I need to reduce radio bw to 100-Hz when trying to copy 
very-weak CW; maybe my ears/brain adds another 3-dB filtering to get 
to 50-Hz (maybe not as I seem to need SNR> 6 dB to copy CW.  But I 
can make out tones at SNR=0 (or below).

Narrowing radio bw to 50-Hz does not help me as the filter ringing 
confuses what my brain hears.  Having severe hearing disability does 
not help, either.

Nearly all the improvement in decoding signals comes from narrowing 
bw.  JT-65 digital bw is about 5-Hz using a sequence of tones that 
vary in audio frequency so the FSK signal takes about 180 KHz bw in 
Tx.  Note 10Log(2500/5) = 27 dB.

One more note:  JT-65 is run at SSB bw (typ. 2.5 KHz) since all the 
weak-signal work is done in sw.  Some eme JT-65 stations run 4-KHz bw 
to watch several frequencies.  I run MAP65 at 60-KHz bw to 
simultaneously watch the whole eme sub-band 144.095-144.155.  My 
system does not use the K3 2nd IF or roofing filters. I've written 
before about that so visit my website if you want to know more about that.

73, Ed - KL7UW
---------------------------
From: brian <alsopb at comcast.net>
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> 'Elecraft Reflector'"
         <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
Message-ID: <582C591C.10100 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Hi Matt,

I used to think I could copy CW signals below the noise.
However when I put SPECTROGRAM in line and actually measured the S/N
ratio the results were disappointing.

According the SPECTROGRAM, those "in the noise" signals actually had an
+8-10 dB S/N ratio.

Try it and see for yourself.

Likewise those WSPR and JT65 guys have been mislead by the -dB (e.g.
-20) edited signal strengths.  They need to know that those are
calculated with a 2.4 - 2.8 KHz assumed noise power.  In reality, many
of the negative "dB" value signals can be copied by ear.

73 de Brian/K3KO


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Nov 16 20:11:05 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:11:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
In-Reply-To: <201611170104.uAH146sm027437@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201611170104.uAH146sm027437@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <585186b3-4e79-16ef-4fc4-a85c9ba97850@nk7z.net>

Ed,
Thank you for a very clear explanation here...  Well written out.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 11/16/2016 05:04 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Just a comment/correction about JT65:
>
> I don't know who is claiming 20-dB improvement over CW, but the creator
> of JT65, Joe Taylor - K1JT has stated that "about" ten dB improvement
> can be realized.  I can hear -18 dB JT65 tones from eme signals.  This
> fits well with the theory of receiving weak-signals, be they CW or digital.
>
> The typical (or maybe better than typical) CW op can hear copy signals
> down to 17 dB below what is SNR = 0 dB in a 2.5 KHz bandwidth.  How that
> is determined is by reducing bw to 50-Hz.  The improvement in SNR from
> 2.5 KHz to 50-Hz is given by 10Log(2500/50) = 10 Log(50) = 17 dB.
>
> JT-65 signals can be decoded down at -28 dB referenced to 2.5 KHz, thus
> about 10-dB improvement over hearing CW.
>
> I find I need to reduce radio bw to 100-Hz when trying to copy very-weak
> CW; maybe my ears/brain adds another 3-dB filtering to get to 50-Hz
> (maybe not as I seem to need SNR> 6 dB to copy CW.  But I can make out
> tones at SNR=0 (or below).
>
> Narrowing radio bw to 50-Hz does not help me as the filter ringing
> confuses what my brain hears.  Having severe hearing disability does not
> help, either.
>
> Nearly all the improvement in decoding signals comes from narrowing bw.
> JT-65 digital bw is about 5-Hz using a sequence of tones that vary in
> audio frequency so the FSK signal takes about 180 KHz bw in Tx.  Note
> 10Log(2500/5) = 27 dB.
>
> One more note:  JT-65 is run at SSB bw (typ. 2.5 KHz) since all the
> weak-signal work is done in sw.  Some eme JT-65 stations run 4-KHz bw to
> watch several frequencies.  I run MAP65 at 60-KHz bw to simultaneously
> watch the whole eme sub-band 144.095-144.155.  My system does not use
> the K3 2nd IF or roofing filters. I've written before about that so
> visit my website if you want to know more about that.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> ---------------------------
> From: brian <alsopb at comcast.net>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> 'Elecraft Reflector'"
>         <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC INFORMATION
> Message-ID: <582C591C.10100 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> I used to think I could copy CW signals below the noise.
> However when I put SPECTROGRAM in line and actually measured the S/N
> ratio the results were disappointing.
>
> According the SPECTROGRAM, those "in the noise" signals actually had an
> +8-10 dB S/N ratio.
>
> Try it and see for yourself.
>
> Likewise those WSPR and JT65 guys have been mislead by the -dB (e.g.
> -20) edited signal strengths.  They need to know that those are
> calculated with a 2.4 - 2.8 KHz assumed noise power.  In reality, many
> of the negative "dB" value signals can be copied by ear.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
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From zl3pah at xtra.co.nz  Wed Nov 16 20:53:06 2016
From: zl3pah at xtra.co.nz (Phil Holliday)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:53:06 +1300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 CBLP3Y with other equipment
Message-ID: <21EE5068-7929-4DE5-9D6B-A133E78BA369@xtra.co.nz>

Is there a schematic for this cable assembly?  I am looking at the simplest way of connecting other RS-232 driven peripheral equipment which are just ?listening? devices, in my case my SteppIR SDA100 controller and SPE 1K-FA linear and minimizing cables now that I have a K3s & P3 connected by USB to my laptop with Logger32 and N1MM+ as my logging applications.  My immediate thought is to tap into the CBLP3Y cable at the PC connection on the P3 and daisy chain the other devices.   73 Phil zl3pah

 

 


From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 22:12:10 2016
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 03:12:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 during firmware update
Message-ID: <582D200A.9010704@gmail.com>

Somehow while loading rev 5.54 to my K3, it locked up.
It is hung up with the TX led flashing and the screen saying MCU LD.
What can I do to recover from this disaster?

thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV

From dick at elecraft.com  Wed Nov 16 23:01:11 2016
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:01:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 during firmware update
In-Reply-To: <582D200A.9010704@gmail.com>
References: <582D200A.9010704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39A3B1DF-E4FB-4612-8076-EE2C02007351@elecraft.com>

There is a procedure in K3 Utility Help, Trouble shooting MCU load failure. 

Dick, K6KR


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2016, at 19:12, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Somehow while loading rev 5.54 to my K3, it locked up.
> It is hung up with the TX led flashing and the screen saying MCU LD.
> What can I do to recover from this disaster?
> 
> thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Nov 16 23:01:45 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:01:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 during firmware update
In-Reply-To: <582D200A.9010704@gmail.com>
References: <582D200A.9010704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45465c03-afac-78ba-7e37-2b260bdb4f7c@embarqmail.com>

David,

That happens when the firmware load is interrupted for some reason or 
another - usually a computer glitch.  I have never heard of it being a 
K3 failure.

Follow the instructions given in the K3 Utility Help file under "Forcing 
a Firmware Download" - Information is also in the K3 manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/16/2016 10:12 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
> Somehow while loading rev 5.54 to my K3, it locked up.
> It is hung up with the TX led flashing and the screen saying MCU LD.
> What can I do to recover from this disaster?
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Nov 16 23:07:54 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:07:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 CBLP3Y with other equipment
In-Reply-To: <21EE5068-7929-4DE5-9D6B-A133E78BA369@xtra.co.nz>
References: <21EE5068-7929-4DE5-9D6B-A133E78BA369@xtra.co.nz>
Message-ID: <ed8ada0c-bd9f-2b5a-4dbf-be13ea2fe077@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

There are RS-232 "Y" adapters that will accomplish what you want.
Make certain the other devices will not attempt to transmit - their 
drivers on the RS-232 lines must be disabled and present a high impedance.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/16/2016 8:53 PM, Phil Holliday wrote:
> Is there a schematic for this cable assembly?  I am looking at the simplest way of connecting other RS-232 driven peripheral equipment which are just ?listening? devices, in my case my SteppIR SDA100 controller and SPE 1K-FA linear and minimizing cables now that I have a K3s & P3 connected by USB to my laptop with Logger32 and N1MM+ as my logging applications.  My immediate thought is to tap into the CBLP3Y cable at the PC connection on the P3 and daisy chain the other devices.   73 Phil zl3pah
>
>
>
>
>
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From k1ka at comcast.net  Thu Nov 17 06:03:37 2016
From: k1ka at comcast.net (David Mackey)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 06:03:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Bricked my K3 during firmware
	update
In-Reply-To: <39A3B1DF-E4FB-4612-8076-EE2C02007351@elecraft.com>
References: <582D200A.9010704@gmail.com>
	<39A3B1DF-E4FB-4612-8076-EE2C02007351@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <471EBC8C-4FB1-48F0-8FE6-877FB464EB61@comcast.net>

Had the same problem early on. I was not happy. The procedure is called Forcing a Firmware Download. Its on page 47 of the K3s manual, and probably close by if you have a K3.

David Mackey
K1KA at comcast.net

> On Nov 16, 2016, at 23:01, Dick Dievendorff dick at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] <Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a procedure in K3 Utility Help, Trouble shooting MCU load failure. 
> 
> Dick, K6KR
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 16, 2016, at 19:12, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Somehow while loading rev 5.54 to my K3, it locked up.
> > It is hung up with the TX led flashing and the screen saying MCU LD.
> > What can I do to recover from this disaster?
> > 
> > thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
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From k3hx at juno.com  Wed Nov 16 19:45:23 2016
From: k3hx at juno.com (k3hx at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:45:23 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Fundraiser.
Message-ID: <20161117.004523.17233.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>

Need to thin the herd a bit to make way for a K3S.

Want to sell an Orion 1 with antenna tuner and factory accessory speaker.

Also has 600 Hz roofing filter and factory-replaced LCD display (blue-white.)

Non-smoker (not even tobacco...HI!)

I don't "do" e-Bay so am unaware of the value of this unit.  I'd be grateful to
get input on what I should ask for it.  Unit runs fine, mostly used QRP.

I'd sell the speaker without the radio but not the radio without the speaker.

Advice, counsel, words of wisdom welcome.

72,

Tim Colbert  K3HX  K3HX HAT JUNO DAUGHT COM



____________________________________________________________
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From ve2fww at globetrotter.net  Thu Nov 17 11:16:43 2016
From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:16:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 remote
Message-ID: <c9acc55f-ee5d-bf17-edb1-5f035e9ceebf@globetrotter.net>

Anybody in this group using the K3S \REMOTE with the k3/mini control 
head and remote rig boxes?
I would like to control my k3s remote with the control head(mini) and 
control rig boxes...
I would like to control the k3s from another room...not over  the 
internet....
I would have many questions to ask before ordering........I am using the 
P3...and I was told that the P3 must be off when operarting the k3 
remote???.....
Thanks
Noel

From bbaines at mac.com  Thu Nov 17 11:34:49 2016
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:34:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 remote
In-Reply-To: <c9acc55f-ee5d-bf17-edb1-5f035e9ceebf@globetrotter.net>
References: <c9acc55f-ee5d-bf17-edb1-5f035e9ceebf@globetrotter.net>
Message-ID: <7DF00737-1F49-4A70-AD3F-83780C29EB8C@mac.com>

Noel:

> On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:16 AM, NOEL POULIN <ve2fww at globetrotter.net> wrote:
> 
> Anybody in this group using the K3S \REMOTE with the k3/mini control head and remote rig boxes?
> I would like to control my k3s remote with the control head(mini) and control rig boxes...
> I would like to control the k3s from another room?not over  the internet....

The Remote Rig interfaces work fine on an internal LAN (Local Area Network).  Simply configure the RRC-1258MKII device (the one by the K3/0-mini) to connect to the Local IP address of the Remote Rig RR-1258 device controlling the K3s.  

> I would have many questions to ask before ordering........I am using the P3?and I was told that the P3 must be off when operarting the k3 remote???.....

Not true; the P3 can remain on (it will turn on if you have the power for the P3 supplied by the K3s).   However, you won?t have access to the P3 screen and buttons from the K3/O-Mini operating position in the other room.  This means of course that there isn?t much point having the P3 on anyway if using the K3/0-Mini in the other room.

Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Westborough, MA
Folkston, GA


> Thanks
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Thu Nov 17 11:35:19 2016
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I love my K3s and my HI-Z Rx antenna
Message-ID: <582DDC47.2459.17F6540F@Gary.ka1j.com>

I love my K3s and I love my HI-Z array, 
they work beautifully. I hear signals that 
are so faint but I hear them clearly with 
only background noise.

I know I am praising the K3s and HI-Z 
array but this goes for my old K3 and HI-Z 
Triangular array as well. Earlier this 
year I bought a K3s, retiring my K3 and I 
replaced my HI-Z triangular Rx antenna 
with a HI-Z 8 element Rx antenna a few 
months ago. It is a stellar antenna. 

I replaced both because I wanted the best 
I could have at this QTH for reception on 
the low bands. The difference between my 
enhanced K3 and the K3s is not tremendous 
Rx wise but I wanted what little there may 
be, the same for the HI-Z Triangular. My 
160 antenna is a sloper with a max height 
of maybe 50'.

Last year I was using the K3 and the 
Triangular. With that, I just received a 
certificate from the ARRL for last year's 
160 Meter Contest, giving me 1st place, 
single op QRP in CT and 4th place United 
States and Canada. This with an average Tx 
antenna and much QRM from RFI due to the 
electric AMTRAK lines 75' away.

If it weren't for the abilities of this 
fine K3 and this Rx antenna, I would have 
never been so lucky as to do as well. So 
this is a shout out to Elecraft for 
producing a magnificent radio and to HI-Z 
for a magnificent Rx antenna.

Thank you, Elecraft.

73,

Gary
KA1J

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Nov 17 11:42:48 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:42:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Fundraiser.
In-Reply-To: <20161117.004523.17233.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
References: <20161117.004523.17233.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4219e9ab-80e7-8619-f033-d185dc7b770e@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,11/16/2016 4:45 PM, k3hx at juno.com wrote:
> Advice, counsel, words of wisdom welcome.

Join the Ten Tec reflector and list it there.

73, Jim K9YC


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Nov 17 11:46:10 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:46:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] I love my K3s and my HI-Z Rx antenna
In-Reply-To: <582DDC47.2459.17F6540F@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <582DDC47.2459.17F6540F@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <3eed5ef2-f682-65de-bded-ce571ce25c93@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,11/17/2016 8:35 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> If it weren't for the abilities of this
> fine K3 and this Rx antenna, I would have
> never been so lucky as to do as well.

Don't forget the huge advantage of location -- DX contesting from W1 is 
like getting batted in by a single and thinking you hit a home run.

73, Jim K9YC


From john at kk9a.com  Thu Nov 17 12:36:06 2016
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:36:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Fundraiser.
Message-ID: <b788ead8ceb7ecce13ca9033a357eb69.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

I cannot imagine that there are a lot of guys on the Elecraft list looking
for an Orion. I have bought and sold many items on KA9FOX's
http://swap.qth.com/.

John KK9A

k3hx at juno.com k3hx at juno.com

Need to thin the herd a bit to make way for a K3S.

Want to sell an Orion 1 with antenna tuner and factory accessory speaker.

Also has 600 Hz roofing filter and factory-replaced LCD display (blue-white.)

Non-smoker (not even tobacco...HI!)

I don't "do" e-Bay so am unaware of the value of this unit.  I'd be
grateful to
get input on what I should ask for it.  Unit runs fine, mostly used QRP.

I'd sell the speaker without the radio but not the radio without the speaker.

Advice, counsel, words of wisdom welcome.

72,

Tim Colbert  K3HX  K3HX HAT JUNO DAUGHT COM


From w8dn at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov 17 14:35:05 2016
From: w8dn at roadrunner.com (Mike Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100-F For Sale
In-Reply-To: <201611170104.uAH146sm027437@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201611170104.uAH146sm027437@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <566e8d18-552b-cde3-4e2b-a7e7137598de@roadrunner.com>

 From the estate of Bob, WB8QLA

K3/100-F            K3 100W Xcvr - Factory Assembled
KAT3-F                K3 ATU - Factory Installed
KFL3A-1.8K-F     1.8 kHz 8-Pole Roofing Filter - Factory Installed
KFL3A-400-F       K3 400Hz 8 Pole Filter - Factory Installed
KUSB                    USB Adapter
S/N    7786           Clean
Original Carton

LOW HOURS

$3020 NEW (plus shipping)
70% =$2114

$2050 Shipped Continental US

Mike / W8DN


From w8dn at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov 17 14:47:15 2016
From: w8dn at roadrunner.com (Mike Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100-F For Sale
In-Reply-To: <566e8d18-552b-cde3-4e2b-a7e7137598de@roadrunner.com>
References: <201611170104.uAH146sm027437@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
	<566e8d18-552b-cde3-4e2b-a7e7137598de@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <11c10e2b-a68d-12db-e872-542b9203dfa8@roadrunner.com>

Manual included.
email:  w8dn at roadrunner.com

On 11/17/2016 2:35 PM, Mike Rhodes wrote:
> From the estate of Bob, WB8QLA
>
> K3/100-F            K3 100W Xcvr - Factory Assembled
> KAT3-F                K3 ATU - Factory Installed
> KFL3A-1.8K-F     1.8 kHz 8-Pole Roofing Filter - Factory Installed
> KFL3A-400-F       K3 400Hz 8 Pole Filter - Factory Installed
> KUSB                    USB Adapter
> S/N    7786           Clean
> Original Carton
>
> LOW HOURS
>
> $3020 NEW (plus shipping)
> 70% =$2114
>
> $2050 Shipped Continental US
>
> Mike / W8DN
>
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From dragan.bar at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 15:03:56 2016
From: dragan.bar at gmail.com (Dragan 4O4A)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:03:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Low Line-In level
In-Reply-To: <e24ceeac-04d5-494c-ed42-ac99c9749733@embarqmail.com>
References: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e24ceeac-04d5-494c-ed42-ac99c9749733@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1479413036257-7624082.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Don,

When I connect PC line-out to rear MIC, it is a little bit better.
Well, a bit better, I'd say. 

However, I'm not sure if it works properly.
Namely, when I give to K3 a steady tone, say 1500 Hz from PC, ALC is
"pulsing" and I cannot adjust it properly (3 or 4 bars + 5th flickering).
Tone looks OK on monitor, clean and steady -- no pulses.

I tested two computers (plus one external EMU-0404 sound card) and original
problem is always there: low level of signal from PC.

Regards,
Dragan, 4O4A



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Nov 17 16:40:08 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:40:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 remote
In-Reply-To: <7DF00737-1F49-4A70-AD3F-83780C29EB8C@mac.com>
References: <c9acc55f-ee5d-bf17-edb1-5f035e9ceebf@globetrotter.net>
	<7DF00737-1F49-4A70-AD3F-83780C29EB8C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <bb251ba1-2330-5d7c-fe11-124251a77242@foothill.net>

Well ... if your control position and the remote are in the same house, 
you could run a length of RG-58 from the remote K3S IF output to the P3 
near the K3/0 where you can see the screen.

That won't work for me, my control site is about 60 km +/- from the 
remote that actually makes the RF and has all the antennas.  Washoe and 
Storey counties won't give me an easement. [:-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/17/2016 8:34 AM, Barry Baines wrote:

>> I would have many questions to ask before ordering........I am
>> using the P3?and I was told that the P3 must be off when operarting
>> the k3 remote???.....
>
> Not true; the P3 can remain on (it will turn on if you have the power
> for the P3 supplied by the K3s).   However, you won?t have access to
> the P3 screen and buttons from the K3/O-Mini operating position in
> the other room.  This means of course that there isn?t much point
> having the P3 on anyway if using the K3/0-Mini in the other room.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov 17 21:53:51 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:53:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Low Line-In level
In-Reply-To: <1479413036257-7624082.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e24ceeac-04d5-494c-ed42-ac99c9749733@embarqmail.com>
	<1479413036257-7624082.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8b34b2d3-4f28-436c-5565-1d8208bb2e52@embarqmail.com>

Dragan,

Since you have tested 2 computer soundcards with similar results, I 
suggest you contact Elecraft support for further clues to 
troubleshooting and resolution.

It still sounds to me that the computer speaker level may be too low for 
some reason.  If you can get the normal 5 to 7 bars of ALC meter with 
the microphone, then you should be able to get 4 bars solid with the 5th 
bar flashing in data modes.

Do you have bias set on for the mic connection? - bias should be off. 
If it is ON, then the bias voltage may be reducing the output of your 
soundcard interface.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 11/17/2016 3:03 PM, Dragan 4O4A wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> When I connect PC line-out to rear MIC, it is a little bit better.
> Well, a bit better, I'd say.
>
> However, I'm not sure if it works properly.
> Namely, when I give to K3 a steady tone, say 1500 Hz from PC, ALC is
> "pulsing" and I cannot adjust it properly (3 or 4 bars + 5th flickering).
> Tone looks OK on monitor, clean and steady -- no pulses.
>
> I tested two computers (plus one external EMU-0404 sound card) and original
> problem is always there: low level of signal from PC.

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 23:47:12 2016
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:47:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting higher gain from input of line in or rear panel
	mic on K3
Message-ID: <e48126a0-7155-f7a1-91cd-e970224cae9d@gmail.com>

I am trying to get set up for JT9 in Data A mode; I am not getting 
enough drive from the sound card to adequately drive the K3.

I am wondering (but cannot figure out from the manual) how to achieve 
this using either Line In or the rear mic jack when in Data A, and get 
more gain, but not use the front mic (leave it connected but not get 
audio from it).

At the same time, the front mic is working fine (correct bias etc.) and 
I don't want to loose this.

Surely someone must have solved this before me, and could help me figure 
it out.

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Fri Nov 18 05:07:37 2016
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:07:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <CACDL7B1vq-PgqOBNOO7CHtN6V7e-odd6ztAHu0ug6T8VYmn_Og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <045201d23e00$6b8535e0$428fa1a0$@com>
	<ba79cfa1-037a-c465-7483-e57cec54ff6d@gmail.com>
	<7AB725A7-7AAC-4DB4-8EA2-56CF30C23AD8@widomaker.com>
	<1479172922645-7624027.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<004401d23ef4$e26492b0$a72db810$@com>
	<92F6A3E8-592C-48BB-A01A-25FA31277C11@me.com>
	<b95a2915-b993-42db-b03d-131da00177c7@xs4all.nl>
	<EBD34569-1823-4C38-94E7-3D52405CF3B8@me.com>
	<CACDL7B1vq-PgqOBNOO7CHtN6V7e-odd6ztAHu0ug6T8VYmn_Og@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7960a7e5-777a-b284-54f7-e91fd1b5fa93@xs4all.nl>

I had the KPA500 PIN diode problem in 2015, and it started on one band 
only. And it did not happen all the time. After a while it became worse 
and more bands were affected.
So based on my experience with my KPA500 #1497, I suggested the PIN 
diode problem as a possiblity.

I wonder what the serial number is of the KPA500 we are talking about, 
and whether it is produced before or after a change in the design(?). 
Anyway, when I presented this problem (how it presented itself on my 
KPA500) in the group and to elecraft support, I never got the right answer.
After basic faultfinding I found that the PIN diode circuit was causing 
the strange behaviour of the linear and then... presto... there was a 
elecraft-mod that I never heard of before.
It contained a few new switching components and some capactiors for one 
of the LP-filters.

After putting those in, problem was solved. My K3 line and me lived 
happy ever after :-).

73

Arie PA3A




From serussell at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 05:10:13 2016
From: serussell at gmail.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:10:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Use Phones message
Message-ID: <CABDoXRJVjY66-B+NdWtJGvXsGbxzoSii+yaczvJkXj68F7iXoA@mail.gmail.com>

I was tuning around the 80m band this morning and when I adjusted the
volume the message... use phones... scrolled across the sub band. I've
never seen that before. Does anyone know what it is? Thanks! Scott N1SER

From ve3iay at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 07:32:36 2016
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 07:32:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting higher gain from input of line in or rear
 panel mic on K3
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHneCn-as3QLATL=e0Nc=3m1+CaOTrkOeeJBiJYDVwDu1w@mail.gmail.com>

The audio input settings (source jack, bias, mic gain, etc.) are set and
remembered independently in voice modes vs data modes.

In voice modes, set the MAIN:MIC SEL, bias and MIC gain control to wherever
you need them for your voice and microphone. Set MAIN:MIC+LIN to OFF
(unless you are using the computer as a voice keyer).

Now put the K3 into DATA A mode. Set MAIN:MIC SEL to LINE IN, make sure
MAIN:MIC+LIN is N/A or OFF, and now use the MIC gain control to set the
LINE IN level. Typical numbers for this control are often in the range
8-12, but this is in series with the sound card's own Line Out level
control in the Windows mixer, so the two control settings interact
strongly. Between the sound card control and the K3's MIC control, you
should be able to set the audio input level in JT9 or other digital modes
to the desired 4-5 bars.

73,
Rich VE3KI


W5SV wrote:

I am trying to get set up for JT9 in Data A mode; I am not getting
enough drive from the sound card to adequately drive the K3.

...

At the same time, the front mic is working fine (correct bias etc.) and
I don't want to lose this.

From jameskvochick at me.com  Fri Nov 18 08:03:23 2016
From: jameskvochick at me.com (James kvochick)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 07:03:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Use Phones message
In-Reply-To: <CABDoXRJVjY66-B+NdWtJGvXsGbxzoSii+yaczvJkXj68F7iXoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXRJVjY66-B+NdWtJGvXsGbxzoSii+yaczvJkXj68F7iXoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A77148A-0730-41A5-AE77-00CD2B3051FF@me.com>

Hi Scott

Read all about dual watch and the need for stereo headphones on page 25 of the KX2 manual.

73 Jim

K8JK


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:10 AM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was tuning around the 80m band this morning and when I adjusted the
> volume the message... use phones... scrolled across the sub band. I've
> never seen that before. Does anyone know what it is? Thanks! Scott N1SER
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Nov 18 08:13:32 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 08:13:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Use Phones message
In-Reply-To: <CABDoXRJVjY66-B+NdWtJGvXsGbxzoSii+yaczvJkXj68F7iXoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXRJVjY66-B+NdWtJGvXsGbxzoSii+yaczvJkXj68F7iXoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96FAC77A-07D2-474A-A9EB-F464199E6FB1@widomaker.com>

Do you have Dual Watch turned ON.  This feature requires stereo phones or speakers to realize the effect. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 18, 2016, at 5:10 AM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was tuning around the 80m band this morning and when I adjusted the
> volume the message... use phones... scrolled across the sub band. I've
> never seen that before. Does anyone know what it is? Thanks! Scott N1SER
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Nov 18 09:22:17 2016
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 07:22:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Fundraiser.
In-Reply-To: <20161117.004523.17233.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
References: <20161117.004523.17233.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1479478937708-7624091.post@n2.nabble.com>

Completed listings on Ebay show selling prices of from $800 to $1100
depending probably on filters, extras, and marketing skill :).



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From serussell at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 10:46:33 2016
From: serussell at gmail.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:46:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Use Phones message
In-Reply-To: <CABDoXRJVjY66-B+NdWtJGvXsGbxzoSii+yaczvJkXj68F7iXoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXRJVjY66-B+NdWtJGvXsGbxzoSii+yaczvJkXj68F7iXoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABDoXR+p_sZ0=kVgu8giD26TN5BwS4KXNVQiyx_WW_KTBP7mHg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the comments. I was reading about Dual Watch but I have it
turned off in the menu. I've not been able to duplicate it so I'm not sure
what triggered that message. I'll keep digging.

73, Scott N1SER

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was tuning around the 80m band this morning and when I adjusted the
> volume the message... use phones... scrolled across the sub band. I've
> never seen that before. Does anyone know what it is? Thanks! Scott N1SER
>

From dragan.bar at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 14:14:21 2016
From: dragan.bar at gmail.com (Dragan 4O4A)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:14:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Low Line-In level
In-Reply-To: <8b34b2d3-4f28-436c-5565-1d8208bb2e52@embarqmail.com>
References: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e24ceeac-04d5-494c-ed42-ac99c9749733@embarqmail.com>
	<1479413036257-7624082.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8b34b2d3-4f28-436c-5565-1d8208bb2e52@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1479496461723-7624093.post@n2.nabble.com>

I think that PC speakers level is OK. On my headset, on my speakers tone
sounds just fine, clean.

I tried to ground PC - no difference.

When connected to MIC input, I tried various BIAS settings. With all three
settings (no BIAS, L and H), result is the same except that with High BIAS
it needs less sound level to trigger VOX.
Again, with MIC input, sound is OK, but it is pulsing. Sorry for my English,
I don't know how to explain "pulsing" :) 
I can hear sound well. When K3 meter is showing power, it is stable and no
fluctuation. When meter shows ALC, it is "pulsing" slowly from zero to, say,
5 bars and back to zero, with frequency of 1 pulse in second (or so). It
looks like ALC is not only limiting sound level, but dropping it back to
zero.

I didn't notice any RX problem on other modes, CW or FSK Digi, not even on
SSB which I use very rarely (with HM-2 mic).



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov 18 14:30:56 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Low Line-In level
In-Reply-To: <1479496461723-7624093.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e24ceeac-04d5-494c-ed42-ac99c9749733@embarqmail.com>
	<1479413036257-7624082.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8b34b2d3-4f28-436c-5565-1d8208bb2e52@embarqmail.com>
	<1479496461723-7624093.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7eb06db6-488a-9c65-05b0-734878813da5@embarqmail.com>

Have you tried replacing the audio cables between the K3 and PC 
soundcard?  You may have an open shield in the cable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/18/2016 2:14 PM, Dragan 4O4A wrote:
> I think that PC speakers level is OK. On my headset, on my speakers tone
> sounds just fine, clean.
>
> I tried to ground PC - no difference.
>
> When connected to MIC input, I tried various BIAS settings. With all three
> settings (no BIAS, L and H), result is the same except that with High BIAS
> it needs less sound level to trigger VOX.
> Again, with MIC input, sound is OK, but it is pulsing. Sorry for my English,
> I don't know how to explain "pulsing" :)

From todd at ruby-wine.com  Fri Nov 18 14:35:05 2016
From: todd at ruby-wine.com (todd ruby)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Slight distortion on DVR playback
Message-ID: <E54FE2BF-8ECA-47E4-A066-134AEF147B5D@ruby-wine.com>

All of a sudden I am experiencing a slight distortion on the playback from my DVR while preparing for Sweepstakes. Mic gain and compression at 15 as always. I had just recorded for CQWW recently and it sounded perfect. Anyone have any ideas what may be causing this?

thanks

de Todd WB2ZAB

From dragan.bar at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 14:45:53 2016
From: dragan.bar at gmail.com (Dragan 4O4A)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:45:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Low Line-In level
In-Reply-To: <7eb06db6-488a-9c65-05b0-734878813da5@embarqmail.com>
References: <1479145691992-7624013.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e24ceeac-04d5-494c-ed42-ac99c9749733@embarqmail.com>
	<1479413036257-7624082.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8b34b2d3-4f28-436c-5565-1d8208bb2e52@embarqmail.com>
	<1479496461723-7624093.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7eb06db6-488a-9c65-05b0-734878813da5@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1479498353028-7624096.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have total of three cables (using two at the time, normally). I didn't make
them so I'm not sure if it is shielded or not, cables are with ferrite beads
next to the jacks, on both sides of cables. I have used those cables for two
years, never experienced any problem. Nothing changed in my setup recently,
I used this for both WSJT and RTTY ten days ago or so, and it was OK. When I
tried WSJT few days ago I found this behavior. 

Then I switched my RTTY operations to FSK (to "real" FSK, keying with serial
cable). 
I liked to use AFSK because of simplicity and I'm aware of importance of ALC
settings for clean signal.

I tried to switch cables, but no joy. Still the same. 




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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Fri Nov 18 14:53:45 2016
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:53:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Slight distortion on DVR playback
In-Reply-To: <E54FE2BF-8ECA-47E4-A066-134AEF147B5D@ruby-wine.com>
References: <E54FE2BF-8ECA-47E4-A066-134AEF147B5D@ruby-wine.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD128B2256@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

I have encountered a similar issue with my dvr
________________________________________
From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of todd ruby [todd at ruby-wine.com]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:35 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Slight distortion on DVR playback

All of a sudden I am experiencing a slight distortion on the playback from my DVR while preparing for Sweepstakes. Mic gain and compression at 15 as always. I had just recorded for CQWW recently and it sounded perfect. Anyone have any ideas what may be causing this?

thanks

de Todd WB2ZAB
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From john at kk9a.com  Fri Nov 18 15:16:33 2016
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:16:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Slight distortion on DVR playback
Message-ID: <46b55299b0c2aea19076abc7e72dde90.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

Is there distortion on your live audio?  I recently had some mic/DVR RF
feedback issues when guest operating from a station with antenna corrosion
issues.

John KK9A

from: todd ruby
Fri Nov 18 14:35:05 EST 2016

All of a sudden I am experiencing a slight distortion on the playback from
my DVR while preparing for Sweepstakes. Mic gain and compression at 15 as
always. I had just recorded for CQWW recently and it sounded perfect.
Anyone have any ideas what may be causing this?

thanks

de Todd WB2ZAB


From adb66856 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 20:38:34 2016
From: adb66856 at yahoo.com (Allen Bush)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 01:38:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TXF Error
References: <2103261697.11127.1479519514057.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2103261697.11127.1479519514057@mail.yahoo.com>

I am just now getting around to trying modes other than cw and data on a recently acquired K3.? I have a 12KHz filter installed in FL1 and the filter utility says it is the only one selected for FM.? However, I am getting the ERR TXF error when I key the mic on FM.? I have no problems on any other modes that I am aware of.? The rig makes called for power and has correct modulation (deviation) on the first mic key on FM but the error keeps the rig from being keyed the second time until I clear the error.??? 

Any suggestions would be appreciated...?? Allen, W0OUU

From adb66856 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 21:08:56 2016
From: adb66856 at yahoo.com (Allen Bush)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:08:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Follow-up TXF error
References: <15169160.31327.1479521336140.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15169160.31327.1479521336140@mail.yahoo.com>

Stupid me.... it was a 13 kHz filter and I had fat fingered it in as a 12.? When I changed it to 13 the TXF error went away....Life is good
Sorry for the bandwidth.... Allen, W0OUU

From bartholdl at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 23:50:53 2016
From: bartholdl at yahoo.com (Barthold Lichtenbelt)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 21:50:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up
In-Reply-To: <00e301d24047$74038890$5c0a99b0$@com>
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	<00e301d24047$74038890$5c0a99b0$@com>
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Hi All,

Problem solved! The problem was in my K3S. A simple Transmitter Gain
calibration procedure fixed it. (This calibration you start in the K3 PC
utility). Now I am very curious to better understand why this calibration
fixed it. Also curious to know why a 6 week old K3S, built by the factory,
needed a calibration. Bad luck? Any config settings I could have done that
affect this behavior?

Many thanks to both Jack Brindle and Craig Smith from Elecraft who both
jumped on this to help me troubleshoot. Jack contacted me while he was on
vacation (!). Craig called me (!) to help me troubleshoot, just from reading
this discussion thread. The reason it took a while to fix is because I first
had to order a dummy load so I could perform the TX gain calibration
procedure. 

Jack, Craig, you guys rock!!

Barthold
AD0RM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Barthold Lichtenbelt via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:25 PM
To: 'iain macdonnell - N6ML'; 'Jack Brindle'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up

> I didn't see anything in this thread that suggested that the problem
wasn't observed on all bands. Maybe I missed it?

I see it on 20m, 40m, 80m, on two different antennas. Haven't tried any
other bands.

> Also haven't noticed anyone suggest using the K3's "TUNE" function,
instead of SSB modulation, as a test.

Excellent idea! It does NOT happen when I use the TUNE function. Not with
the KPA500 in standby nor in operation. Tried 20m and 40m.

> If it doesn't, it might be an issue of insufficient audio input for 
> SSB
modulation. (AFAIK) the K3 will automatically boost the audio input if it
detects that there's not enough (a feature that I'm not particularly fond
of).

I carefully tuned the Mic gain and Compression as per the manual. ALC goes
up to 5 or 6 bars, compression below 10 dB when I speak in my normal voice.
So that suggests input side is OK?

Barthold
AD0RM


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of iain
macdonnell - N6ML
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 11:12 AM
To: Jack Brindle
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power output starts out low, then goes up

I didn't see anything in this thread that suggested that the problem wasn't
observed on all bands. Maybe I missed it?

Also haven't noticed anyone suggest using the K3's "TUNE" function, instead
of SSB modulation, as a test. If the output ramps up with the TUNE function,
it's an output problem. If it doesn't, it might be an issue of insufficient
audio input for SSB modulation. (AFAIK) the K3 will automatically boost the
audio input if it detects that there's not enough (a feature that I'm not
particularly fond of).

73,

    ~iain / N6ML



On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> A TR switch failure would affect all bands. This one is a bit different.
It will be interesting to see the cause when we finish troubleshooting.
>
> Jack Brindle, W6FB
> Elecraft Engineering
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> This might be a problem with the pin diode T/R switching in the KPA500.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Arie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dave at ad6a.com  Sat Nov 19 00:22:57 2016
From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave Fifield)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 21:22:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Max Current Taken By KX2?
Message-ID: <0aa501d24224$fd910040$f8b300c0$@ad6a.com>

Hi Folks, 

 

I need to know what the maximum current draw a loaded KX2 will take so that
I can provision some field-ready external supply options. Anyone know?

 

Cheers,
Dave Fifield

AD6A



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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Nov 19 00:56:15 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 21:56:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Max Current Taken By KX2?
In-Reply-To: <0aa501d24224$fd910040$f8b300c0$@ad6a.com>
References: <0aa501d24224$fd910040$f8b300c0$@ad6a.com>
Message-ID: <c3d4ef2c-9e66-a72a-95df-060465508003@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Page 65 of the manual. On the website.

73, Jim K9YC

On Fri,11/18/2016 9:22 PM, Dave Fifield wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
>   
>
> I need to know what the maximum current draw a loaded KX2 will take so that
> I can provision some field-ready external supply options. Anyone know?



From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 12:33:00 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
Message-ID: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>

I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a 
couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is 
coming.

When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all 
the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could 
see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to 
hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other 
rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past 
experience - this is not normal.

I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc 
filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair 
copy on 75 and 40 meters.

My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever 
made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line



From kbeckman at wi.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 13:16:39 2016
From: kbeckman at wi.rr.com (Kbeckman@wi.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:16:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>

Welcome to the K3 on CW!

Yes, it is that quiet!!  Try a KX3 it is even quieter!!!

This radio opened a new world for me on CW a few years ago.

Even though you don't have the CW filter, you can still utilize the filters 
you have, and DSP filtering to narrow your bandwidth down to 50 Hz.

Your K3 is an amazing rig.

Keith
K9GL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:33 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW


I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
coming.

When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
experience - this is not normal.

I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
copy on 75 and 40 meters.

My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line


From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 13:29:12 2016
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 10:29:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
	<BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>
Message-ID: <29a2fa39-3263-0559-eb17-9ef3c77524b8@gmail.com>

Make sure that your filter(s) are enabled for that mode...  ;-)

Rick NHC


On 11/19/2016 10:16 AM, Kbeckman at wi.rr.com wrote:
> Welcome to the K3 on CW!
>
> Yes, it is that quiet!!  Try a KX3 it is even quieter!!!
>
> This radio opened a new world for me on CW a few years ago.
>
> Even though you don't have the CW filter, you can still utilize the filters
> you have, and DSP filtering to narrow your bandwidth down to 50 Hz.
>
> Your K3 is an amazing rig.
>
> Keith
> K9GL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill" <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:33 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
>
>
> I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
> couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
> coming.
>
> When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
> the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
> see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
> hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
> rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
> experience - this is not normal.
>
> I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
> filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
> copy on 75 and 40 meters.
>
> My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
> made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Nov 19 13:44:21 2016
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:44:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <58309D85.22640.38F882C@Gary.ka1j.com>

Yes, you've been missing out on the 
quietest CW rig ever made.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
> couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
> coming.
> 
> When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
> the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I
> could see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio
> gain to hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything
> that my other rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared
> to my past experience - this is not normal.
> 
> I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
> filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
> copy on 75 and 40 meters.
> 
> My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
> made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too
> quiet.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
> 
> 
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From parinc1 at frontier.com  Sat Nov 19 13:59:58 2016
From: parinc1 at frontier.com (Dale Parfitt)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:59:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
	<BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>
Message-ID: <083201d24297$20508b10$60f1a130$@frontier.com>

I don't understand the term quiet in this instance because at HF our noise
floor is limited by manmade, atmospheric and galactic noise. If your noise
floor does not increase when you connect the antenna, something is likely
set very wrong.

Dale W4OP

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Kbeckman at wi.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:17 PM
To: Bill
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW

Welcome to the K3 on CW!

Yes, it is that quiet!!  Try a KX3 it is even quieter!!!

This radio opened a new world for me on CW a few years ago.

Even though you don't have the CW filter, you can still utilize the filters
you have, and DSP filtering to narrow your bandwidth down to 50 Hz.

Your K3 is an amazing rig.

Keith
K9GL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill" <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:33 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW


I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
coming.

When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
experience - this is not normal.

I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
copy on 75 and 40 meters.

My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 14:11:14 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:11:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <083201d24297$20508b10$60f1a130$@frontier.com>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
	<BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>
	<083201d24297$20508b10$60f1a130$@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <91A3849F-DC7C-413A-A57D-7166E848CCE5@socal.rr.com>

CW or maybe it's just because CW is quieter than SSB?

Phil W7OX-- Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 10:59, Dale Parfitt <parinc1 at frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't understand the term quiet in this instance because at HF our noise
> floor is limited by manmade, atmospheric and galactic noise. If your noise
> floor does not increase when you connect the antenna, something is likely
> set very wrong.
> 
> Dale W4OP
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Kbeckman at wi.rr.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:17 PM
> To: Bill
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
> 
> Welcome to the K3 on CW!
> 
> Yes, it is that quiet!!  Try a KX3 it is even quieter!!!
> 
> This radio opened a new world for me on CW a few years ago.
> 
> Even though you don't have the CW filter, you can still utilize the filters
> you have, and DSP filtering to narrow your bandwidth down to 50 Hz.
> 
> Your K3 is an amazing rig.
> 
> Keith
> K9GL
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill" <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:33 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
> 
> 
> I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
> couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
> coming.
> 
> When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
> the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
> see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
> hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
> rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
> experience - this is not normal.
> 
> I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
> filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
> copy on 75 and 40 meters.
> 
> My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
> made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
> 
> ___________________________________________________

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 19 14:36:18 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:36:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41c5208c-9342-5914-ffa6-c493286775c0@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

If you have your 2.7 and 2.1 roofing filters (not the 6kHz) enabled for 
CW, all should be well.
The total noise heard should be reduced as the DSP bandwidth is reduced 
because the noise bandwidth is narrowed as well.
However signals which are tuned to the PITCH you have set (default is 
600Hz) should not be weaker than they are in a wider bandwidth.
Try using the WIDTH knob to increase the DSP bandwidth, and you should 
hear the total band noise increase.

Yes, the K3 is quiet as far as hearing the internal receiver noise (what 
you hear when the antenna is removed).  When you attach the antenna, you 
should hear an increase in total noise if all is well - how much will 
depend on the DSP bandwidth that is set.

Remember that many SSB stations are running high power, while many CW 
stations are running low power - that may be part of the difference you 
are hearing.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/19/2016 12:33 PM, Bill wrote:
> I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
> couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
> coming.
>
> When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
> the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
> see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
> hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
> rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
> experience - this is not normal.
>
> I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
> filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
> copy on 75 and 40 meters.
>
> My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
> made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.

From matt at nq6n.com  Sat Nov 19 14:39:39 2016
From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:39:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <41c5208c-9342-5914-ffa6-c493286775c0@embarqmail.com>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
	<41c5208c-9342-5914-ffa6-c493286775c0@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANth69jB01KTQoYwcrSG7=2SomkqWHLh8QW2K8smaQ_hXPfDaw@mail.gmail.com>

Also be sure you don't have the NR turned on by accident.  In my experience
there is not a signifiant difference in audio amplitude of a signal in CW
mode at 500Hz vs SSB mode at 500Hz when you adjust for the CW offset.

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> If you have your 2.7 and 2.1 roofing filters (not the 6kHz) enabled for
> CW, all should be well.
> The total noise heard should be reduced as the DSP bandwidth is reduced
> because the noise bandwidth is narrowed as well.
> However signals which are tuned to the PITCH you have set (default is
> 600Hz) should not be weaker than they are in a wider bandwidth.
> Try using the WIDTH knob to increase the DSP bandwidth, and you should
> hear the total band noise increase.
>
> Yes, the K3 is quiet as far as hearing the internal receiver noise (what
> you hear when the antenna is removed).  When you attach the antenna, you
> should hear an increase in total noise if all is well - how much will
> depend on the DSP bandwidth that is set.
>
> Remember that many SSB stations are running high power, while many CW
> stations are running low power - that may be part of the difference you are
> hearing.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/19/2016 12:33 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
>> couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
>> coming.
>>
>> When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
>> the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
>> see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
>> hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
>> rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
>> experience - this is not normal.
>>
>> I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
>> filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
>> copy on 75 and 40 meters.
>>
>> My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
>> made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too
>> quiet.
>>
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From ken at arcomcontrollers.com  Sat Nov 19 15:15:43 2016
From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:15:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <91A3849F-DC7C-413A-A57D-7166E848CCE5@socal.rr.com>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
	<BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>
	<083201d24297$20508b10$60f1a130$@frontier.com>
	<91A3849F-DC7C-413A-A57D-7166E848CCE5@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.121.1479586555.7381.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Only if the bandwidth is narrower

(all things being equal, there is no difference in noise floor 
between SSB and CW if the bandwidth is identical)

Ken


At 11:11 AM 11/19/2016, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>CW or maybe it's just because CW is quieter than SSB?
>
>Phil W7OX-- Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
> > On Nov 19, 2016, at 10:59, Dale Parfitt <parinc1 at frontier.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand the term quiet in this instance because at HF our noise
> > floor is limited by manmade, atmospheric and galactic noise. If your noise
> > floor does not increase when you connect the antenna, something is likely
> > set very wrong.
> >
> > Dale W4OP
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> > Kbeckman at wi.rr.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:17 PM
> > To: Bill
> > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
> >
> > Welcome to the K3 on CW!
> >
> > Yes, it is that quiet!!  Try a KX3 it is even quieter!!!
> >
> > This radio opened a new world for me on CW a few years ago.
> >
> > Even though you don't have the CW filter, you can still utilize the filters
> > you have, and DSP filtering to narrow your bandwidth down to 50 Hz.
> >
> > Your K3 is an amazing rig.
> >
> > Keith
> > K9GL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill" <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
> > To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:33 AM
> > Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
> >
> >
> > I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
> > couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
> > coming.
> >
> > When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
> > the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
> > see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
> > hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
> > rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
> > experience - this is not normal.
> >
> > I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
> > filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
> > copy on 75 and 40 meters.
> >
> > My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
> > made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill W2BLC K-Line
> >
> > ___________________________________________________
>______________________________________________________________
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 15:28:36 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:28:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
In-Reply-To: <A4.78.11406.6F2B0385@dnvrco-imsmta09>
References: <8611dc98-b08e-0b04-8557-4d3a34435955@nycap.rr.com>
	<BDD085BC79914A43B6066FCE5B20BB1E@dellquadcore>
	<083201d24297$20508b10$60f1a130$@frontier.com>
	<91A3849F-DC7C-413A-A57D-7166E848CCE5@socal.rr.com>
	<A4.78.11406.6F2B0385@dnvrco-imsmta09>
Message-ID: <AFCB871D-1362-4D42-8524-E360EDD45617@socal.rr.com>

Of course, and I assume he's using bandwidth control to do that. 

Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 12:15, Ken Arck <ken at arcomcontrollers.com> wrote:
> 
> Only if the bandwidth is narrower
> 
> (all things being equal, there is no difference in noise floor between SSB and CW if the bandwidth is identical)
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> At 11:11 AM 11/19/2016, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> CW or maybe it's just because CW is quieter than SSB?
>> 
>> Phil W7OX-- Sent from my iPhone 5S
>> 
>> > On Nov 19, 2016, at 10:59, Dale Parfitt <parinc1 at frontier.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't understand the term quiet in this instance because at HF our noise
>> > floor is limited by manmade, atmospheric and galactic noise. If your noise
>> > floor does not increase when you connect the antenna, something is likely
>> > set very wrong.
>> >
>> > Dale W4OP
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> > Kbeckman at wi.rr.com
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:17 PM
>> > To: Bill
>> > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
>> >
>> > Welcome to the K3 on CW!
>> >
>> > Yes, it is that quiet!!  Try a KX3 it is even quieter!!!
>> >
>> > This radio opened a new world for me on CW a few years ago.
>> >
>> > Even though you don't have the CW filter, you can still utilize the filters
>> > you have, and DSP filtering to narrow your bandwidth down to 50 Hz.
>> >
>> > Your K3 is an amazing rig.
>> >
>> > Keith
>> > K9GL
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bill" <w2blc at nycap.rr.com>
>> > To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:33 AM
>> > Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
>> >
>> >
>> > I have not used my K3 for CW, so I have no experience with it. So, a
>> > couple of days ago I decided to give it a try, after all - winter is
>> > coming.
>> >
>> > When I switched to CW mode - things got deathly quiet. Quiet as in all
>> > the background noise vanished - along with most of the signals. I could
>> > see them unchanged on the P3 - but, had to turn up the audio gain to
>> > hear them. With the audio gain up, I could hear everything that my other
>> > rigs were hearing - except no background noise. Compared to my past
>> > experience - this is not normal.
>> >
>> > I am using a K3 set up for SSB and only having the 2.7. 2.1, and 6 kc
>> > filters. Some ACG changes have been made to afford improved arm chair
>> > copy on 75 and 40 meters.
>> >
>> > My question: Have I been missing out on using the quietest CW rig ever
>> > made or is there something wrong with my receiver? It just seems too quiet.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Bill W2BLC K-Line
>> >
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From timk9wx at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 16:53:30 2016
From: timk9wx at gmail.com (Tim Gennett)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:53:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursor tunes off screen
Message-ID: <CAJc0o=9gHSmfzTRuL6aCLDMHM-L5Bsf=Mf7q9WcYtoDnS8OpAw@mail.gmail.com>

I have the FixMode menu function in my P3 set to Full.  Yet, when in fixed
tune mode, the cursor tunes off screen and the center frequency does not
update.

Is there another setting that affects this function?

Tim K9WX

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 19 17:02:54 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:02:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursor tunes off screen
In-Reply-To: <CAJc0o=9gHSmfzTRuL6aCLDMHM-L5Bsf=Mf7q9WcYtoDnS8OpAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJc0o=9gHSmfzTRuL6aCLDMHM-L5Bsf=Mf7q9WcYtoDnS8OpAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <613a9a6b-b374-56c4-1330-3bfae2dedddc@embarqmail.com>

Tim,

That is what Fixed Mode is all about - the center frequency stays put 
and the cursor follows the VFO.  If you have the SPAN set to a value 
more narrow than your QSY excursion, the cursor will go off-screen.

If you instead go to tracking mode, the cursor stays fixed in the center 
and the "background area" moves and the frequency at the center will 
track your VFO frequency.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/19/2016 4:53 PM, Tim Gennett wrote:
> I have the FixMode menu function in my P3 set to Full.  Yet, when in fixed
> tune mode, the cursor tunes off screen and the center frequency does not
> update.
>

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Nov 19 18:38:17 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 15:38:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursor tunes off screen
In-Reply-To: <613a9a6b-b374-56c4-1330-3bfae2dedddc@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAJc0o=9gHSmfzTRuL6aCLDMHM-L5Bsf=Mf7q9WcYtoDnS8OpAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<613a9a6b-b374-56c4-1330-3bfae2dedddc@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3d40bbf-69f0-cf27-ad98-90d235495668@foothill.net>

I'm not quite certain what Tim means by "tunes off-screen," but taken 
literally, it's not how mine works.  My parameters on 80 CW currently are:

FIXED-TUNE on
FIXED MODE AUTO ADJUST=Full Span
SPAN=20 KHz

When I tune VFO A up in frequency, its cursor moves to the right and 
when it gets to the right edge, the display moves up 20 KHz and the 
cursor appears at the left edge.

When I tune VFO B up, its cursor moves to the right and when it gets to 
the right edge, it disappears and the triangle appears pointing to the 
right.

I think Tim is saying that he tunes VFO A up, the cursor goes off-screen 
on the right, and the display span does not update.  Is there any chance 
your Auto-Adjust has gotten set to static?  In static, mine behaves as I 
think you describe.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/19/2016 2:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Tim,
>
> That is what Fixed Mode is all about - the center frequency stays put
> and the cursor follows the VFO.  If you have the SPAN set to a value
> more narrow than your QSY excursion, the cursor will go off-screen.
>
> If you instead go to tracking mode, the cursor stays fixed in the center
> and the "background area" moves and the frequency at the center will
> track your VFO frequency.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/19/2016 4:53 PM, Tim Gennett wrote:
>> I have the FixMode menu function in my P3 set to Full.  Yet, when in
>> fixed
>> tune mode, the cursor tunes off screen and the center frequency does not
>> update.
>>

> -----
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>
>


From kbeckman at wi.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 19:26:54 2016
From: kbeckman at wi.rr.com (Kbeckman@wi.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:26:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Revisited: Glitch when using USB Keyboard on P3 to send
	CW via K3
References: <5691BEAF.6030802@rthorne.net><1478716302470-7623893.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<74730FA8908946BFA5458E36D425BD40@dellquadcore>
Message-ID: <EC793A51B22E4D71AF8C1C0E868948B9@dellquadcore>

Well, it seems I was a little fast in determining that setting the P3 
"Transmit Timeout" to 1000, fixed the issue.  It actually just masks the 
underlying problem, but doesn't really fix it.

The problem is that the K3 is not staying in transmit long enough for CW 
characters to be sent.  The correct character is being sent to the K3, but 
the K3 truncates the character by turning off transmit too soon.  Setting 
this timer to 1000 (milliseconds) just gives the K3 a little extra time to 
stay in transmit, but created another problem for me.

While running my P3 with this timer at 1000 and the K3 at MCU 5.60 and P3 at 
MCU 1.60, I encountered an issue.  On occasion my P3 'text' macros would 
stop transmitting after 1 second.  Weird thing was, this wouldn't happen all 
the time, but once it did start, it would continue until the rig was turned 
off.  Sometimes simple things like a band change would trigger this to 
occur.  I increased the timer to 20,000 (20 seconds) and that resolved this 
Macro issue, but created a different issue.  I tried to let Elecraft 
troubleshoot this, but they could not recreate it, and they wanted me to 
send my P3 back to them.

This had all worked fine, until I upgrade my K3 and P3 firmware a month ago. 
If you look in your PC, you can figure out what your previous version of F/W 
were.  Simply deleting the newer hex files, allows you to re-flash your old 
versions.

Just for grins, I flashed the P3 back to 1.29 first.  This did NOT fix it. 
Rolling the K3 back to 5.14 fixed it.  I looked through the F/W updates 
between 5.14 and 5.60, and nothing popped out dealing with this directly, 
but I suspect the code for the vox in the K3 was changed somewhere to fix 
something else, causing the issue with the P3.

Bottom line is everything works fine now using these old F/W versions.

Hallelujah!

Keith
K9GL 


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov 19 19:29:52 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:29:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursor tunes off screen
In-Reply-To: <d3d40bbf-69f0-cf27-ad98-90d235495668@foothill.net>
References: <CAJc0o=9gHSmfzTRuL6aCLDMHM-L5Bsf=Mf7q9WcYtoDnS8OpAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<613a9a6b-b374-56c4-1330-3bfae2dedddc@embarqmail.com>
	<d3d40bbf-69f0-cf27-ad98-90d235495668@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <29b6ef46-379c-127f-c99e-443372511db1@roadrunner.com>

Setting full span or half span works best for most.  Fred nailed this one.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 11/19/2016 3:38 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> I'm not quite certain what Tim means by "tunes off-screen," but taken 
> literally, it's not how mine works.  My parameters on 80 CW currently 
> are:
>
> FIXED-TUNE on
> FIXED MODE AUTO ADJUST=Full Span
> SPAN=20 KHz
>
> When I tune VFO A up in frequency, its cursor moves to the right and 
> when it gets to the right edge, the display moves up 20 KHz and the 
> cursor appears at the left edge.
>
> When I tune VFO B up, its cursor moves to the right and when it gets 
> to the right edge, it disappears and the triangle appears pointing to 
> the right.
>
> I think Tim is saying that he tunes VFO A up, the cursor goes 
> off-screen on the right, and the display span does not update.  Is 
> there any chance your Auto-Adjust has gotten set to static?  In 
> static, mine behaves as I think you describe.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 11/19/2016 2:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Tim,
>>
>> That is what Fixed Mode is all about - the center frequency stays put
>> and the cursor follows the VFO.  If you have the SPAN set to a value
>> more narrow than your QSY excursion, the cursor will go off-screen.
>>
>> If you instead go to tracking mode, the cursor stays fixed in the center
>> and the "background area" moves and the frequency at the center will
>> track your VFO frequency.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 11/19/2016 4:53 PM, Tim Gennett wrote:
>>> I have the FixMode menu function in my P3 set to Full.  Yet, when in
>>> fixed
>>> tune mode, the cursor tunes off screen and the center frequency does 
>>> not
>>> update.
>>>
>
>> -----
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13437 - Release Date: 
>> 11/19/16
>>
>>
>
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Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
[Shiraz]


From ae5x at juno.com  Sat Nov 19 19:32:50 2016
From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 00:32:50 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] A bug with my KX2
Message-ID: <20161119.183250.22904.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

Not to worry though - not *that* kind of bug:
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2016/11/two-way-vintage-bug-qso.html

John AE5X

____________________________________________________________
How To Fix Your Fatigue (Do This Every Day)
gundrymd.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5830ef7ae211e6f7a2659st04vuc

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Nov 19 19:56:50 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:56:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 cursor tunes off screen
In-Reply-To: <29b6ef46-379c-127f-c99e-443372511db1@roadrunner.com>
References: <CAJc0o=9gHSmfzTRuL6aCLDMHM-L5Bsf=Mf7q9WcYtoDnS8OpAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<613a9a6b-b374-56c4-1330-3bfae2dedddc@embarqmail.com>
	<d3d40bbf-69f0-cf27-ad98-90d235495668@foothill.net>
	<29b6ef46-379c-127f-c99e-443372511db1@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <0fb7a0d7-fb47-15fa-cd58-1cf8ea43aa81@foothill.net>

I am always amazed at how different we are as individuals.  I have 
several CW friends who think half-span is better than canned beer.  For 
me, I just get really confused by it.  I'm an Iambic-A ham, others swear 
that B is the only way.  Actually, I never got Iambicized and I now use 
a single lever key, but I couldn't send on a dual lever if it was on 
Iambic-B, unless extraneous dits were good.

One of the things I really like about my K3 is that it has so many ways 
to configure things.  I've gotten the TX EQ to the point where I get 
unsolicited "Great audio" comments in the rare times I step into the 
phone bands, and the RX EQ to where I can sort of understand SSB.

One of the things I really dislike about my K3 is that it has so many 
ways to configure things, I run out of configuring time. ]:-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/19/2016 4:29 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote:
> Setting full span or half span works best for most.  Fred nailed this
> one.

> matt W6NIA


From w1tef at swsports.org  Sat Nov 19 19:53:02 2016
From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:53:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A bug with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <20161119.183250.22904.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20161119.183250.22904.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <a477715f-2500-1bfe-36e2-65793e173046@swsports.org>

Very cool.  I need to dig mine out one of these days.

Tom, W1TEF

On 11/19/2016 7:32 PM, ae5x at juno.com wrote:
> Not to worry though - not *that* kind of bug:
> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2016/11/two-way-vintage-bug-qso.html
>
> John AE5X
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> How To Fix Your Fatigue (Do This Every Day)
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From Nolan at KI5IO.com  Sat Nov 19 21:28:42 2016
From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:28:42 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Revisited: Glitch when using USB Keyboard on P3 to
Message-ID: <000301d242d5$cfc558d0$6f500a70$@KI5IO.com>

I've been having a timing issue of sorts that somewhat parallels Keith's observations.

I've been working closely with Elecraft support as well as Wayne (directly) and we're still scratching our heads.

My problem goes away when I revert back to FW V5.38 ... any FW V5.50 and newer lets my intermittent 'audio reduction/drop' problem show up.

73 - Nolan Kienitz ... KI5IO


Message: 24
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:26:54 -0600
From: "Kbeckman at wi.rr.com" <kbeckman at wi.rr.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Revisited: Glitch when using USB Keyboard on P3 to
	send	CW via K3
Message-ID: <EC793A51B22E4D71AF8C1C0E868948B9 at dellquadcore>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Well, it seems I was a little fast in determining that setting the P3 
"Transmit Timeout" to 1000, fixed the issue.  It actually just masks the 
underlying problem, but doesn't really fix it.

The problem is that the K3 is not staying in transmit long enough for CW 
characters to be sent.  The correct character is being sent to the K3, but 
the K3 truncates the character by turning off transmit too soon.  Setting 
this timer to 1000 (milliseconds) just gives the K3 a little extra time to 
stay in transmit, but created another problem for me.

While running my P3 with this timer at 1000 and the K3 at MCU 5.60 and P3 at 
MCU 1.60, I encountered an issue.  On occasion my P3 'text' macros would 
stop transmitting after 1 second.  Weird thing was, this wouldn't happen all 
the time, but once it did start, it would continue until the rig was turned 
off.  Sometimes simple things like a band change would trigger this to 
occur.  I increased the timer to 20,000 (20 seconds) and that resolved this 
Macro issue, but created a different issue.  I tried to let Elecraft 
troubleshoot this, but they could not recreate it, and they wanted me to 
send my P3 back to them.

This had all worked fine, until I upgrade my K3 and P3 firmware a month ago. 
If you look in your PC, you can figure out what your previous version of F/W 
were.  Simply deleting the newer hex files, allows you to re-flash your old 
versions.

Just for grins, I flashed the P3 back to 1.29 first.  This did NOT fix it. 
Rolling the K3 back to 5.14 fixed it.  I looked through the F/W updates 
between 5.14 and 5.60, and nothing popped out dealing with this directly, 
but I suspect the code for the vox in the K3 was changed somewhere to fix 
something else, causing the issue with the P3.

Bottom line is everything works fine now using these old F/W versions.

Hallelujah!

Keith
K9GL

73,
	Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO
	SKCC - 9532C
	NAQCC ? 6230
	FISTS ? 14948



From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Nov 19 22:32:08 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:32:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <5adfaae3-e2a0-c8ea-49a2-7de846db8371@coho.net>

Good Evening,

The bands have been uncooperative as of late.  SFU steady around 78 with 
few to no sunspots.  My DX has been to such exotic locales as Michigan 
and Ohio.  Fine folks the lot of them but not DX in the truest sense :)  
We are out of the latest solar stream so that steady hissing sound has 
weakened.  Maybe the latest 'upsurge' in spots bodes well for the winter.

I was hiking my forest, looking for dead trees to thin, when I saw the 
flick of an ear.  I spotted the doe looking at me so I waited.  And 
waited.  Then I went back to looking at trees while ignoring her.  She 
took the hint and got back to eating.  For five minutes or so I walked 
cross wind of her assessing next year's pile of wood.  She ate her way 
behind some trees and we lost track of each other.  I have a lot of wood 
to cut.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
      7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Nov 19 23:14:04 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:14:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Habits, WAS: RE:  P3 cursor tunes off screen
In-Reply-To: <0fb7a0d7-fb47-15fa-cd58-1cf8ea43aa81@foothill.net>
References: <CAJc0o=9gHSmfzTRuL6aCLDMHM-L5Bsf=Mf7q9WcYtoDnS8OpAw@mail.gmail.com>	<613a9a6b-b374-56c4-1330-3bfae2dedddc@embarqmail.com>	<d3d40bbf-69f0-cf27-ad98-90d235495668@foothill.net>	<29b6ef46-379c-127f-c99e-443372511db1@roadrunner.com>
	<0fb7a0d7-fb47-15fa-cd58-1cf8ea43aa81@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <000601d242e4$88527e10$98f77a30$@biz>

Well put Fred. I was unable to find time for a QSO for almost a year and,
when I had a chance to get on the air I found I could not use my paddles!
Eventually I discovered that I had at some point changed the keyer to A mode
instead of B mode. I learned to squeeze using my homebrew accu-keyer in the
1970's which used B mode. 

A great "plus" of the Ele-rigs is that I can set one up like I like it and
then ignore 90% of the menu. It never needs to change, just as I don't need
to change how I get dressed or brush my teeth. But, unlike rigs in the past,
we can make those changes and have exactly what we want -- assuming we know
what we want. 

73 Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Jensen
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:57 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 cursor tunes off screen

I am always amazed at how different we are as individuals.  I have several
CW friends who think half-span is better than canned beer.  For me, I just
get really confused by it.  I'm an Iambic-A ham, others swear that B is the
only way.  Actually, I never got Iambicized and I now use a single lever
key, but I couldn't send on a dual lever if it was on Iambic-B, unless
extraneous dits were good.

One of the things I really like about my K3 is that it has so many ways to
configure things.  I've gotten the TX EQ to the point where I get
unsolicited "Great audio" comments in the rare times I step into the phone
bands, and the RX EQ to where I can sort of understand SSB.

One of the things I really dislike about my K3 is that it has so many ways
to configure things, I run out of configuring time. ]:-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Nov 19 22:30:17 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:30:17 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: very quiet on CW
Message-ID: <201611200719.uAK7JrXg003732@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

OK I had to check this out on "My" K3.  Good band to do this - 
20m  6:00pm local time:

SSB-mode, F2 (2.8-KHz), DSP bw=2.8-KHz, PRE=OFF, ANT=triband yagi, 
S-meter = S5  Plenty of white noise
CW-mode, F2, DSP bw=2.8-KHz, PRE=OFF, same ANT, same  S-meter reading 
and same audio noise level
CW-mode, F4 (400-Hz), DSP bw=0.40 KHz, PRE=OFF, same ANT, S-meter = 
S2 and lowered noise audio
If I adjust DSP bw=2.8 KHz S-meter increases to S5 and noise audio 
equals that I hear with SSB-mode.
AGC=ON for all measurements

So much for "CW is quieter".  No narrower bw is quieter regardless of mode.
BTW F1 (13-KHz) is identical to F2 if DSP is set to 2.8-KHz (as you 
would expect since DSP sets the receive bw and not the filter).

I have F1 enabled for SSB, AM, FM
F2 SSB, AM, CW
F3 no fllter
F4 SSB, CW
F5 no filter

In any mode if I select  F3 or F5 the K3 is VERY quiet, S-meter shows 
S0 (would you expect anything otherwise?)
I actually select F3 when operating DATA-A USB because I take the 1st 
IF from the K3 to ext SDR and do not use the 2nd IF (K3 DSP).
Visit my LINRAD webpage for more on that.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag Business e-mail:
     dubususa at gmail.com 


From w8dn at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov 20 10:26:39 2016
From: w8dn at roadrunner.com (Mike Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD Pending... K3/100-F For Sale
In-Reply-To: <11c10e2b-a68d-12db-e872-542b9203dfa8@roadrunner.com>
References: <201611170104.uAH146sm027437@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
	<566e8d18-552b-cde3-4e2b-a7e7137598de@roadrunner.com>
	<11c10e2b-a68d-12db-e872-542b9203dfa8@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <49999c03-87d2-6620-e130-e193c3a7ba59@roadrunner.com>

Thanks to all...

Mike / W8DN

On 11/17/2016 2:47 PM, Mike Rhodes wrote:
> Manual included.
> email:  w8dn at roadrunner.com
>
> On 11/17/2016 2:35 PM, Mike Rhodes wrote:
>> From the estate of Bob, WB8QLA
>>
>> K3/100-F            K3 100W Xcvr - Factory Assembled
>> KAT3-F                K3 ATU - Factory Installed
>> KFL3A-1.8K-F     1.8 kHz 8-Pole Roofing Filter - Factory Installed
>> KFL3A-400-F       K3 400Hz 8 Pole Filter - Factory Installed
>> KUSB                    USB Adapter
>> S/N    7786           Clean
>> Original Carton
>>
>> LOW HOURS
>>
>> $3020 NEW (plus shipping)
>> 70% =$2114
>>
>> $2050 Shipped Continental US
>>
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>>
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Nov 20 12:23:23 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:23:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboards for P3/SVGA
Message-ID: <6DDF3DDB-4DA6-4546-A74E-BDC0453AF4CC@law.du.edu>

Some time ago there was a discussion about the fact that some standard computer keyboards do not play well with the P3/SVGA and possibly not with the PX3 either.  I am about to buy one.  Anyone have advice about a readily available make & model that does work well?

Thanks in advance,

Ted, KN1CBR


From n1al at sonic.net  Sun Nov 20 12:54:42 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:54:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboards for P3/SVGA
In-Reply-To: <6DDF3DDB-4DA6-4546-A74E-BDC0453AF4CC@law.du.edu>
References: <6DDF3DDB-4DA6-4546-A74E-BDC0453AF4CC@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <f943c58b-6d0e-7842-288a-6dcee9a31f5d@sonic.net>


Here's a list of keyboards that are known to work with the PX3:

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/px3_keyboard_list_A3.pdf

I think most "plain Jane" keyboards will work.  It says:

    Note: Most "PC BIOS compatible" keyboards will work.  In other
    words, the keyboard must be able to be recognized by the PC
    BIOS.  This rules out Bluetooth and multimedia style keyboards,
    those with mice, touchpads, and multimedia functions.

I believe that keyboards that work with the PX3 should work with the 
P3/SVGA also.

Alan N1AL


On 11/20/2016 09:23 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Some time ago there was a discussion about the fact that some
> standard computer keyboards do not play well with the P3/SVGA and
> possibly not with the PX3 either.  I am about to buy one.  Anyone
> have advice about a readily available make & model that does work
> well?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Nov 20 13:01:29 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 10:01:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboards for P3/SVGA
In-Reply-To: <f943c58b-6d0e-7842-288a-6dcee9a31f5d@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10121i-8A961A8B5DC748978FF1CD02FE1885B0@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 11/20/16 at 9:54 AM, n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) wrote:

As I remember, the P3 does not support USB hubs. So, I would 
also avoid any keyboard with a built-in USB hub like the older 
Apple keyboards. These keyboards can be recognized because they 
have connections for additional USB devices.

73 Bill AE6JV

>Here's a list of keyboards that are known to work with the PX3:
>
>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/px3_keyboard_list_A3.pdf
>
>I think most "plain Jane" keyboards will work.  It says:
>
>Note: Most "PC BIOS compatible" keyboards will work.  In other
>words, the keyboard must be able to be recognized by the PC
>BIOS.  This rules out Bluetooth and multimedia style keyboards,
>those with mice, touchpads, and multimedia functions.
>
>I believe that keyboards that work with the PX3 should work with the P3/SVGA also.
>
>Alan N1AL
>
>
>On 11/20/2016 09:23 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>Some time ago there was a discussion about the fact that some
>>standard computer keyboards do not play well with the P3/SVGA and
>>possibly not with the PX3 either.  I am about to buy one.  Anyone
>>have advice about a readily available make & model that does work
>>well?
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Ted, KN1CBR
--------------------------------------------------------------
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408-356-8506       | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by
www.pwpconsult.com | accident.  -  William Hugh Murray


From ingerassociates at cox.net  Sun Nov 20 15:45:34 2016
From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 12:45:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Free (Almost) to a Good Home: Vinyl Cover for the
	Elecraft W2 Watt/SWR Meter
Message-ID: <1418A36391E243FA968F40709B9EB0FF@DELLXPS>

While cleaning out some drawers, I found a nice cover for the W2.  I sold
the meter awhile back and forget that I had the  cover.  This is a high
quality vinyl cover with felt lining.  The front has  gold embroidered
stitching reading "ELECRAFT W2" on two lines. The cover is in brand new
condition. 
 
If you will pay the postage (+/-$2.50), the cover is yours.  Cash/check is
fine, and so is PayPal (yes, I will pay the $0.09 fee).
 
73 de K6SBA
David in Santa Barbara, CA

From w2bvh at comcast.net  Sun Nov 20 16:23:17 2016
From: w2bvh at comcast.net (w2bvh)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 16:23:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 to USB adapter for K2
Message-ID: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>

I just retired my 2000 vintage shack computer and the new one doesn't 
have a serial port.

Is there a list somewhere of model numbers for USB to RS232 converters 
that will play nice with both K2 and N1MM Logger under Win10?

Now that I blew the big bucks on the computer I'd like to save a few on 
the converter, without wasting any on one that won't work.

Thanks in advance for the info.

73,

--Lenny W2BVH


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 20 16:52:53 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 16:52:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 to USB adapter for K2
In-Reply-To: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>
References: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9f7d1840-5c48-4155-fb14-86ab5ba859e4@embarqmail.com>

Lenny,

That is not a place to pinch pennies.  Get a good one with the FTDI 
chipset, or order the one from Elecraft.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/20/2016 4:23 PM, w2bvh wrote:
> I just retired my 2000 vintage shack computer and the new one doesn't
> have a serial port.
>
> Is there a list somewhere of model numbers for USB to RS232 converters
> that will play nice with both K2 and N1MM Logger under Win10?
>
> Now that I blew the big bucks on the computer I'd like to save a few on
> the converter, without wasting any on one that won't work.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 20 17:25:21 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:25:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] G4WPW SK
Message-ID: <5f0bdc7b-91ca-2c7c-6555-bdd0aea676f4@embarqmail.com>

Hi,

I have used the G4WPW website often for its valuable information on 
microphones.
Now that he is SK, the website is no longer available.

Is there anyone who has saved the microphone information from his site?
It has been invaluable in the past.

73,
Don W3FPR

From kevin at k4vd.net  Sun Nov 20 17:38:27 2016
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] G4WPW SK
In-Reply-To: <5f0bdc7b-91ca-2c7c-6555-bdd0aea676f4@embarqmail.com>
References: <5f0bdc7b-91ca-2c7c-6555-bdd0aea676f4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsmr5CPdXED9ZNpg0K5FjMk5fL2bJh8uP==sep-E8zt5A@mail.gmail.com>

Try this: ?http://www.qsl.net/g4wpw/date.html
?

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> G4WPW website

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 20 17:54:52 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:54:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] G4WPW SK
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsmr5CPdXED9ZNpg0K5FjMk5fL2bJh8uP==sep-E8zt5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5f0bdc7b-91ca-2c7c-6555-bdd0aea676f4@embarqmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujsmr5CPdXED9ZNpg0K5FjMk5fL2bJh8uP==sep-E8zt5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9a20f438-fde9-482d-907c-ecd3daf5e004@embarqmail.com>

Kevin,

Thank you, that works.
I often am asked about microphones that will work with the K2, and that 
website has a wealth of useful information.  I am glad to hear that it 
has been saved at QSL.net.

See -- I don't know everything, but I know where to find some good info!:-)

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/20/2016 5:38 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> Try this: ?http://www.qsl.net/g4wpw/date.html
> ?
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com 
> <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     G4WPW website
>
>
>


From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 18:35:54 2016
From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:35:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboards for P3/SVGA
In-Reply-To: <6DDF3DDB-4DA6-4546-A74E-BDC0453AF4CC@law.du.edu>
References: <6DDF3DDB-4DA6-4546-A74E-BDC0453AF4CC@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <7d3dbcce-2c8b-a29f-f7a5-ce6aa7671acb@yahoo.com>

I use a wireless keyboard made by TECKNET that works fine.  You plug in 
the wireless adapter to the USB port on the P3 or PX3 and your set.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M75WPKO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Dave K5MWR



On 11/20/2016 11:23 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Some time ago there was a discussion about the fact that some standard computer keyboards do not play well with the P3/SVGA and possibly not with the PX3 either.  I am about to buy one.  Anyone have advice about a readily available make & model that does work well?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Nov 20 20:42:58 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:42:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboards for P3/SVGA
In-Reply-To: <7d3dbcce-2c8b-a29f-f7a5-ce6aa7671acb@yahoo.com>
References: <6DDF3DDB-4DA6-4546-A74E-BDC0453AF4CC@law.du.edu>
	<7d3dbcce-2c8b-a29f-f7a5-ce6aa7671acb@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8368a441-513f-3b13-a530-809a39eb88c2@socal.rr.com>


From ingerassociates at cox.net  Sun Nov 20 21:33:03 2016
From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:33:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Free (Almost) to a Good Home: Vinyl Cover for the
	Elecraft W2 Watt/SWR Meter
Message-ID: <A847217E84604068A8685A047F4A7A5F@DELLXPS>

The cover has been spoken for.  
Thanks all for wanting to keep this nice cover out of the landfill.
 
73 de K6SBA
David

From alsopb at comcast.net  Sun Nov 20 23:39:27 2016
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 04:39:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Needed old style KIO3 board
Message-ID: <58327A7F.1080400@comcast.net>

Perhaps some K3 owner who upgraded to the new board has one.
Apparently killed the band data output on mine.

73 de Brian/K3KO

From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Mon Nov 21 01:06:02 2016
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Timothy K Cook)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 01:06:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KAT500
Message-ID: <7b19d9a5-90a5-41d6-95e0-d1fb37db0c82@email.android.com>

Anyone have a KAT500 they are wanting to sell? If so send details direct to nZ8J at woh.rr.com  including price shipped to zip 45324
Thanks
Tim
NZ8J
-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

From charlestropp at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 06:35:15 2016
From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:35:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboards for P3/SVGA
In-Reply-To: <8368a441-513f-3b13-a530-809a39eb88c2@socal.rr.com>
References: <6DDF3DDB-4DA6-4546-A74E-BDC0453AF4CC@law.du.edu>
	<7d3dbcce-2c8b-a29f-f7a5-ce6aa7671acb@yahoo.com>
	<8368a441-513f-3b13-a530-809a39eb88c2@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <27174131.1281944.1479728115930@mail.yahoo.com>

This is small and inexpensive:?
Boxcave 78 Key Wired USB Mini Slim Keyboard?

You can find it on Amazon for $19.00. Anything similar would work just as well. I agree with the others. Stay away from elaborate keyboards that have USB ports or other bells and whistles. ??

73, Charles N2SO
Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org 

    On Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:45 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
 

 
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From W1ie at jetbroadband.com  Mon Nov 21 08:48:57 2016
From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:48:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
Message-ID: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>

Good morning all,

 

I have been having this problem for about the last three weeks. Erratic
behavior with my K3; such as when I attempted to turn off the K3, it would
remove sound, xmit and the data on the front panel.  The panel would stay
lit with the amber backlight, but there would be just a blank screen. To
reset the radio back to being "all off", I would disconnect the power, wait
a respectable 10 seconds and then when I turn it on and all was well until I
tried to turn it off again, resulting in the same previous condition. I was
on the verge of sending the rig back home to California after the winter
contests , when I notice something during  yesterdays SSB contest.

 

I was using N1MM software for contesting and I noticed that the radio would
behave oddly; such as after a while the VOX became unreliable  and the radio
would not respond to mouse clicks on the N1MM program.  It seems I would
have to reset the radio and N1MM every ten minutes or so.  So one time, I
had both N1MM down and the radio off, and when I started N1MM, it turned on
the radio via through a standard RS-232 port (came with the computer board).
I have since found out through some testing this morning, that all my K3
problems seem to be related to the presence of the N1MM being on, and when
N1MM was shut down - my K3 works as expected.

 

My question is,after this long ramble,  before I submit this to the N1MM
team, has anyone else experienced this type of behavior in the relationship
of N1MM and the K3?

 

Best regards,

 

Jerry, W1IE

 

(BTW I did get a "Sweep" on the contest. I don't think it would have happen
if I did not have the K3.)


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 21 09:44:45 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
In-Reply-To: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
References: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
Message-ID: <5fd598ce-0969-4c76-638d-c96c97a609f8@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

You must have something else going on there.

Check the PSn command in the K3 Programmer's Reference and you should 
see that the command can turn the K3 power OFF, but when off, the K3 
(and its RS-232 port) is not powered, so the K3 cannot be powered ON via 
an RS-232 command.

The K3 CAN be powered on by an external device pulling the AUX I/O 
connector pin 8 to ground, but not via the RS-232 connection.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/21/2016 8:48 AM, Jerry wrote:

>
> I was using N1MM software for contesting and I noticed that the radio would
> behave oddly; such as after a while the VOX became unreliable  and the radio
> would not respond to mouse clicks on the N1MM program.  It seems I would
> have to reset the radio and N1MM every ten minutes or so.  So one time, I
> had both N1MM down and the radio off, and when I started N1MM, it turned on
> the radio via through a standard RS-232 port (came with the computer board).
> I have since found out through some testing this morning, that all my K3
> problems seem to be related to the presence of the N1MM being on, and when
> N1MM was shut down - my K3 works as expected.
>

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 09:50:45 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:50:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
In-Reply-To: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
References: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc0i7c+N5WpLXbgPeam605d+mdz6xu1jazKJ6dL5scEZQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jerry,

Sometimes when one sees a pile of weird inexplicable happenings that don't
make any sense at all, one must stand back, look at the forest instead of
the trees, and say I've got the the weird inexplicable multi problem
syndrome, otherwise known as "the wimps".

The problem with not knowing you've got the wimps is the attempt to fix the
symptoms one by one, which can't work.

There are some well known wimps causes. RFI in the shack is a great one.
Problems with third party programs another. Another, if your K3 is old
enough, is the "pin problem" that needs the replacement with gold pins
thing done.

I'd like to see W3FPR's take on your wimps, if that sounds like the pin
problem to him.

What's the serial number on your K3?

73, Guy K2AV

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:50 AM Jerry <W1ie at jetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Good morning all,
>
>
>
> I have been having this problem for about the last three weeks. Erratic
> behavior with my K3; such as when I attempted to turn off the K3, it would
> remove sound, xmit and the data on the front panel.  The panel would stay
> lit with the amber backlight, but there would be just a blank screen. To
> reset the radio back to being "all off", I would disconnect the power, wait
> a respectable 10 seconds and then when I turn it on and all was well until
> I
> tried to turn it off again, resulting in the same previous condition. I was
> on the verge of sending the rig back home to California after the winter
> contests , when I notice something during  yesterdays SSB contest.
>
>
>
> I was using N1MM software for contesting and I noticed that the radio would
> behave oddly; such as after a while the VOX became unreliable  and the
> radio
> would not respond to mouse clicks on the N1MM program.  It seems I would
> have to reset the radio and N1MM every ten minutes or so.  So one time, I
> had both N1MM down and the radio off, and when I started N1MM, it turned on
> the radio via through a standard RS-232 port (came with the computer
> board).
> I have since found out through some testing this morning, that all my K3
> problems seem to be related to the presence of the N1MM being on, and when
> N1MM was shut down - my K3 works as expected.
>
>
>
> My question is,after this long ramble,  before I submit this to the N1MM
> team, has anyone else experienced this type of behavior in the relationship
> of N1MM and the K3?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Jerry, W1IE
>
>
>
> (BTW I did get a "Sweep" on the contest. I don't think it would have happen
> if I did not have the K3.)
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 21 10:04:33 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 10:04:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0i7c+N5WpLXbgPeam605d+mdz6xu1jazKJ6dL5scEZQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
	<CANckpc0i7c+N5WpLXbgPeam605d+mdz6xu1jazKJ6dL5scEZQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <184f4784-ec32-56ed-f7a5-cd2fa1483a3d@embarqmail.com>

Jerry and Guy,

The connector pin problem does not usually manifest itself as something 
"extra" happening, but something that does not work.

I would suggest first unplugging everything except power and a coax to a 
dummy load.  Make sure the K3 operates correctly - plug mic or paddles 
or key in one at a time to make checks on them.
Then connect the RS-232 cable and run N1MM to see if that now behaves 
normally.
Lastly, plug in the AUX I/O cable and see what happens.

I would suggest that there is something wrong with the AUX I/O cable - 
shorting pin 8 to ground.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 11/21/2016 9:50 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

>
> I'd like to see W3FPR's take on your wimps, if that sounds like the pin
> problem to him.
>
> What's the serial number on your K3?
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>

From W1ie at jetbroadband.com  Mon Nov 21 10:19:13 2016
From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 10:19:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
In-Reply-To: <184f4784-ec32-56ed-f7a5-cd2fa1483a3d@embarqmail.com>
References: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
	<CANckpc0i7c+N5WpLXbgPeam605d+mdz6xu1jazKJ6dL5scEZQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<184f4784-ec32-56ed-f7a5-cd2fa1483a3d@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <00be01d2440a$9dd68890$d98399b0$@com>

I will do that. I do have pin 8 shorted to ground through another rs-232
port and that is for my remoting my K3 as a remote. I use the K3/0 mini a
lot when I travel and other people do also. I will look at the pin 8
arrangement. 

Jerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:05 AM
To: Guy Olinger K2AV; Jerry; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated

Jerry and Guy,

The connector pin problem does not usually manifest itself as something
"extra" happening, but something that does not work.

I would suggest first unplugging everything except power and a coax to a
dummy load.  Make sure the K3 operates correctly - plug mic or paddles or
key in one at a time to make checks on them.
Then connect the RS-232 cable and run N1MM to see if that now behaves
normally.
Lastly, plug in the AUX I/O cable and see what happens.

I would suggest that there is something wrong with the AUX I/O cable -
shorting pin 8 to ground.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 11/21/2016 9:50 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

>
> I'd like to see W3FPR's take on your wimps, if that sounds like the 
> pin problem to him.
>
> What's the serial number on your K3?
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 21 10:30:08 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 10:30:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
In-Reply-To: <00be01d2440a$9dd68890$d98399b0$@com>
References: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
	<CANckpc0i7c+N5WpLXbgPeam605d+mdz6xu1jazKJ6dL5scEZQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<184f4784-ec32-56ed-f7a5-cd2fa1483a3d@embarqmail.com>
	<00be01d2440a$9dd68890$d98399b0$@com>
Message-ID: <92d8459f-6391-69b4-0f2f-257eb76e2a3e@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

That connection to pin 8 of the AUX I/O is most likely the problem.
I don't know how you have implemented it, but it should not be held low 
constantly.  See Remote Power On in the manual.

Also be aware that when the computer boots, it will "exercise" the pins 
of the RS-232 ports, causing the signal to ground AUX I/O pin 8 to 
become active. That too may be part of the problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/21/2016 10:19 AM, Jerry wrote:
> I will do that. I do have pin 8 shorted to ground through another rs-232
> port and that is for my remoting my K3 as a remote. I use the K3/0 mini a
> lot when I travel and other people do also. I will look at the pin 8
> arrangement.
>
> Jerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:05 AM
> To: Guy Olinger K2AV; Jerry; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
>
> Jerry and Guy,
>
> The connector pin problem does not usually manifest itself as something
> "extra" happening, but something that does not work.
>
> I would suggest first unplugging everything except power and a coax to a
> dummy load.  Make sure the K3 operates correctly - plug mic or paddles or
> key in one at a time to make checks on them.
> Then connect the RS-232 cable and run N1MM to see if that now behaves
> normally.
> Lastly, plug in the AUX I/O cable and see what happens.
>
> I would suggest that there is something wrong with the AUX I/O cable -
> shorting pin 8 to ground.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 11/21/2016 9:50 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see W3FPR's take on your wimps, if that sounds like the
>> pin problem to him.
>>
>> What's the serial number on your K3?
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>


From W1ie at jetbroadband.com  Mon Nov 21 11:00:34 2016
From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 being turn on when N1MM is activated
In-Reply-To: <184f4784-ec32-56ed-f7a5-cd2fa1483a3d@embarqmail.com>
References: <009f01d243fe$01903d70$04b0b850$@com>
	<CANckpc0i7c+N5WpLXbgPeam605d+mdz6xu1jazKJ6dL5scEZQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<184f4784-ec32-56ed-f7a5-cd2fa1483a3d@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d24410$64aa65e0$2dff31a0$@com>

Thank you both for your help. The problem is solved.

Normally (about 98% of the time), LP-Bridge sits (software wise) between the
K3 comport and the N1MM program. During contests, since there is a
significant slow down with that arrangement when I attempt to use the
CATASC1 SWT21 commands, I close the LP-Bridge program and go direct from
N1MM to K3. Now since the setting for the comport in N1MM has the RTS set to
always on and there is no "buffer" between the K3 and the N1MM program, we
now have the conditions previously described. Setting the RTS to always off
in the N1MM solves the problem. 

This situation exemplifies my military training and experience in planning
"as too many moving parts" to the problem and solution.

Radio, LP-Bridge, N1MM program and Time.

My very best regards to you both.

Jerry, W1IE




From rstealey at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 21 11:28:50 2016
From: rstealey at hotmail.com (Rick Stealey)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:28:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Design suggestion for Elecraft designers
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB11540EE9BBF16C65671D9B27CEB50@BN6PR15MB1154.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

It would make it soooooooo much easier on us when troubleshooting a power distribution issue if we could verify whether the voltage regulator itself or the load is the problem.  All you would have to do is put a tiny jumper on the output of the regulator.  Then we could snip it and see if the regulator is still putting out proper voltage and also look towards the circuit for a short.  An insignificant cost that would make it unnecessary to have to cut a land on the board.

Wayne, Old Buddy, what say ?


Rick  K2XT

From w0eb at cox.net  Mon Nov 21 11:57:06 2016
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:57:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: FS: YouKits DP-1 QRP Power & SWR meter
Message-ID: <emb7e857af-296b-4d05-9ac4-962b608ec220@jimsdesktop-pc>

I have an older YouKits DP-1 QRP Power & SWR meter - reads from 
5milliwatts to 25 watts in 2 ranges. Frequency range is 1-60 MHz with a 
specified accuracy of 5 percent. Their exclusive US distributor, 
Vibroplex, is selling these for $149 plus shipping. The new ones have an 
internal Lithium Ion rechargable battery. This one came without the 
battery/charger and Vibroplex will not sell just the battery/charger 
separately (at least as of my last call to them) and you cannot get it 
from YouKits directly. It can be powered through the coaxial power jack 
by any 8-15 volt source (center pin is positive) and most 9-12 volt wall 
warts power it just fine. I'm including a 9 volt 300 ma wall ward with 
the unit.  The operating instructions can be downloaded from the 
www.vibroplex.com website but a printed copy will be included.

I'm asking $85 shipped anywhere in the US for this one. (I can't ship it 
internationally as it would be cost prohibitive.)  Cosmetically it's a 9 
out of 10 (they misspelled the word CHARGE when they silk screened the 
lettering on the front panel - spelled it CHAGE).

Pictures of it available by email on request.

PayPal (preferred) or USPS Money Order.

Please reply off list to w0eb at cox.net and first "I'll take it" gets 
rights of first refusal as usual.

Jim - W0EB
Park City, KS


From f1gwr at free.fr  Mon Nov 21 14:18:56 2016
From: f1gwr at free.fr (C G)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:18:56 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and ICOM IC-2KL
In-Reply-To: <CAEJf59gxyHfkOWStAVpXv-dNwj3M1mm0zuM_8OaARu1HHeKf=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEJf59izg_HQBb8JtSUHNA=jPaqLpr+b=49YE-i0rr2EBNp2Mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D8640ED0-8DE4-4F6D-B4CC-53DFE97B0737@free.fr>
	<CAEJf59gxyHfkOWStAVpXv-dNwj3M1mm0zuM_8OaARu1HHeKf=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18456781-65CC-4C9D-8AE0-619C5F8D3D2E@free.fr>

Hi German,

Today the second-hand 2KL+2KLPS+AT500 arrived by post. Am under way cleaning and checking the whole set. Later on, must check ALC's compatibility.

Now, have to build:
- a balun, because my sole present antenna is a Levy a.k.a. Zepp with a 300 ohms symmetrical feeder,
- a PA driver, as the 2KL is supposed to be driven by around 80 W, and my K3s is a 10W version. Found some hackable PCB's on epay, adaptable to use my stock power FET's.
- an automatic band switch interface, as the K3s outputs BCD, where the 2KL/AT500 are voltage driven. Already mounted a BCD decoder kit that I most probably will link to the 2KL A/D converter **outputs** for reliability reasons, by means of a diode matrix (+ DIL switches for configuration of various antennae including multiband.)

Do you have issues with your Elecraft + Icom configuration?

Christian F1GWR

Le 16 nov. 2016 ? 05:26, German Duran a ?crit :

> Hello Christian: It gives me great joy to know that someone has the same concern about combining the K3s with the 2KL and the AT 500. I will be very attentive to any communication from you about it. Merci beacoup. German HK3J
> 
> 
> El mar., 15 nov. 2016 8:22 p. m., f1gwr <f1gwr at free.fr> escribi?:
> Just under way buying one 2KL+PS+AT500. Expect to find some way to control them with my K3s.
> Will let you know if this is your concern.
> 73
> Christian F1GWR
> 
> Le 23 oct. 2016 ? 05:18, German Duran a ?crit :
> 
> > Someone works the K3s with the ICOM IC-2KL amplifier?
> > Best regards for all.
> > German HK3J
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From hk3j.dx at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 14:36:03 2016
From: hk3j.dx at gmail.com (German Duran)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 19:36:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and ICOM IC-2KL
In-Reply-To: <18456781-65CC-4C9D-8AE0-619C5F8D3D2E@free.fr>
References: <CAEJf59izg_HQBb8JtSUHNA=jPaqLpr+b=49YE-i0rr2EBNp2Mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D8640ED0-8DE4-4F6D-B4CC-53DFE97B0737@free.fr>
	<CAEJf59gxyHfkOWStAVpXv-dNwj3M1mm0zuM_8OaARu1HHeKf=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<18456781-65CC-4C9D-8AE0-619C5F8D3D2E@free.fr>
Message-ID: <CAEJf59j4zn8bHwwQFF3iskyrw=VLTxhCynfQFaEehGTxT2cbwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Christian. I'm using the 2KL with my Elecraft K3s and works well. But it
does not work automatically. When I change the band on the Elecraft I have
to change the band manually on the AT500 and 2 KL because the AT500 and 2KL
does it automatically. I think with the 2KL it is easy to change
automatically because they changes with voltage and not with codes like
Icom and Kenwood amplifiers that change with codes and not with voltages. I
am neither an electronic engineer nor a technician. I am a doctor and it is
difficult for me to modify the 2KL. I keep waiting for your news to see if
you can automatically change the bands in 2KL with your modifications. 73,
German

El lun., 21 nov. 2016 2:18 p. m., C G <f1gwr at free.fr> escribi?:

> Hi German,
>
> Today the second-hand 2KL+2KLPS+AT500 arrived by post. Am under way
> cleaning and checking the whole set. Later on, must check ALC's
> compatibility.
>
> Now, have to build:
> - a balun, because my sole present antenna is a Levy a.k.a. Zepp with a
> 300 ohms symmetrical feeder,
> - a PA driver, as the 2KL is supposed to be driven by around 80 W, and my
> K3s is a 10W version. Found some hackable PCB's on epay, adaptable to use
> my stock power FET's.
> - an automatic band switch interface, as the K3s outputs BCD, where the
> 2KL/AT500 are voltage driven. Already mounted a BCD decoder kit that I most
> probably will link to the 2KL A/D converter ***outputs*** for reliability
> reasons, by means of a diode matrix (+ DIL switches for configuration of
> various antennae including multiband.)
>
> Do you have issues with your Elecraft + Icom configuration?
>
> Christian F1GWR
>
> Le 16 nov. 2016 ? 05:26, German Duran a ?crit :
>
> Hello Christian: It gives me great joy to know that someone has the same
> concern about combining the K3s with the 2KL and the AT 500. I will be very
> attentive to any communication from you about it. Merci beacoup. German HK3J
>
> El mar., 15 nov. 2016 8:22 p. m., f1gwr <f1gwr at free.fr> escribi?:
>
> Just under way buying one 2KL+PS+AT500. Expect to find some way to control
> them with my K3s.
> Will let you know if this is your concern.
> 73
> Christian F1GWR
>
> Le 23 oct. 2016 ? 05:18, German Duran a ?crit :
>
> > Someone works the K3s with the ICOM IC-2KL amplifier?
> > Best regards for all.
> > German HK3J
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
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From iz4afw at iz4afw.org  Mon Nov 21 17:06:42 2016
From: iz4afw at iz4afw.org (Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 23:06:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT ??
Message-ID: <e548c5d9-976c-6e9b-7505-0c0dae459995@iz4afw.org>

Hi guys,
   I'm having some tough time installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT assembly on 
the main board of my K3.
As for every upgrade, I am following the instructions. I removed the two 
old electrolytic caps in a few seconds, it was easy and quick.

But installing the new tiny board, as easy as it seems, is just a 
different matter. I was able to remove almost all of the remaining 
solder, but the pass-thru holes just remain closed with some solder. I 
tried with some solder wick but to no avail.
In addition, the pass-thru holes are so small that I don't have any tool 
that I can use to try to open those holes while heating the board with 
my soldering iron.
I tried to align the 4 legs of the assembly but -of course- pushing them 
through the holes is not easy, as they bend as soon as I apply a minimum 
force.

Did anyone of you already perform this upgrade? Any tips for me? :)

Thanks, 73
  Fabio
  IZ4AFW


From mtkoszew at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 17:18:50 2016
From: mtkoszew at gmail.com (Marty Koszewski)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:18:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question
References: <9F3DC7F3-F209-4C74-BD37-0D81251A47BD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <903F4908-C43B-4094-B66F-CB3578074654@gmail.com>

I installed the latest K-Pod firmware - MCU 1.09.   The release notes state "Adds a power-on feature: if the F3 button is held during power up the K-Pod encoder uses a divide by 4 scaling factor.?    I do not notice any difference when powering up holding the F3 button.

What is the ?F3? power-up supposed to do?  I thought it might address the 4X VFO knob speed difference between the K3 and the K-Pod (my K3s VFO is still 4X faster than the K-Pod).

Thanks.

Marty - N1VH



From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 17:25:04 2016
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:25:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT ??
In-Reply-To: <e548c5d9-976c-6e9b-7505-0c0dae459995@iz4afw.org>
References: <e548c5d9-976c-6e9b-7505-0c0dae459995@iz4afw.org>
Message-ID: <6EC45A5B-1A10-44E0-9396-4A4BA6A2B186@gmail.com>

Heat the thru-holes from one side of the board, and use a solder sucker from the opposite side.  Wick alone won?t clean these things out very well.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W <iz4afw at iz4afw.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
>  I'm having some tough time installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT assembly on the main board of my K3.
> As for every upgrade, I am following the instructions. I removed the two old electrolytic caps in a few seconds, it was easy and quick.
> 
> But installing the new tiny board, as easy as it seems, is just a different matter. I was able to remove almost all of the remaining solder, but the pass-thru holes just remain closed with some solder. I tried with some solder wick but to no avail.
> In addition, the pass-thru holes are so small that I don't have any tool that I can use to try to open those holes while heating the board with my soldering iron.
> I tried to align the 4 legs of the assembly but -of course- pushing them through the holes is not easy, as they bend as soon as I apply a minimum force.
> 
> Did anyone of you already perform this upgrade? Any tips for me? :)
> 
> 





From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 21 17:46:17 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:46:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT ??
In-Reply-To: <e548c5d9-976c-6e9b-7505-0c0dae459995@iz4afw.org>
References: <e548c5d9-976c-6e9b-7505-0c0dae459995@iz4afw.org>
Message-ID: <7b41d0e4-b559-34f5-4afb-78b4e33d4335@embarqmail.com>

Fabio,

To open the thru-plated holes after you have used solder wick, heat the 
solder pads and push out the remaining solder with a wooden toothpick or 
a stainless steel needle.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/21/2016 5:06 PM, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W wrote:
> Hi guys,
>   I'm having some tough time installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT assembly on
> the main board of my K3.
> As for every upgrade, I am following the instructions. I removed the two
> old electrolytic caps in a few seconds, it was easy and quick.
>
> But installing the new tiny board, as easy as it seems, is just a
> different matter. I was able to remove almost all of the remaining
> solder, but the pass-thru holes just remain closed with some solder. I
> tried with some solder wick but to no avail.
> In addition, the pass-thru holes are so small that I don't have any tool
> that I can use to try to open those holes while heating the board with
> my soldering iron.
> I tried to align the 4 legs of the assembly but -of course- pushing them
> through the holes is not easy, as they bend as soon as I apply a minimum
> force.

From alsopb at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 18:37:56 2016
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 23:37:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Needed old style KIO3 board
In-Reply-To: <58327A7F.1080400@comcast.net>
References: <58327A7F.1080400@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <58338554.9050005@comcast.net>

Guys,
Thanks. Got one.
73 de Brian/K3KO

On 11/21/2016 4:39 AM, brian wrote:
> Perhaps some K3 owner who upgraded to the new board has one.
> Apparently killed the band data output on mine.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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From iz4afw at iz4afw.org  Mon Nov 21 18:58:01 2016
From: iz4afw at iz4afw.org (Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 00:58:01 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT ??
In-Reply-To: <7b41d0e4-b559-34f5-4afb-78b4e33d4335@embarqmail.com>
References: <e548c5d9-976c-6e9b-7505-0c0dae459995@iz4afw.org>
	<7b41d0e4-b559-34f5-4afb-78b4e33d4335@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <9797cb99-c39a-d9f1-ba0e-95cb37eac1f7@iz4afw.org>

Thanks guys,
    I finally made it. I had to use needles and to heat the pad and the 
needle itself. The toothpick was too big to be used (maybe we have big 
teeth in Italy?)

Thank you very much for the replies! I was feeling stupid but, hey, I 
wanted that mod done!! :)

Ciao,
  Fabio
  IZ4AFW

Il 21.11.2016 23:46, Don Wilhelm ha scritto:
> Fabio,
>
> To open the thru-plated holes after you have used solder wick, heat the
> solder pads and push out the remaining solder with a wooden toothpick or
> a stainless steel needle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/21/2016 5:06 PM, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>   I'm having some tough time installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT assembly on
>> the main board of my K3.
>> As for every upgrade, I am following the instructions. I removed the two
>> old electrolytic caps in a few seconds, it was easy and quick.
>>
>> But installing the new tiny board, as easy as it seems, is just a
>> different matter. I was able to remove almost all of the remaining
>> solder, but the pass-thru holes just remain closed with some solder. I
>> tried with some solder wick but to no avail.
>> In addition, the pass-thru holes are so small that I don't have any tool
>> that I can use to try to open those holes while heating the board with
>> my soldering iron.
>> I tried to align the 4 legs of the assembly but -of course- pushing them
>> through the holes is not easy, as they bend as soon as I apply a minimum
>> force.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 21 19:11:48 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 19:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT ??
In-Reply-To: <9797cb99-c39a-d9f1-ba0e-95cb37eac1f7@iz4afw.org>
References: <e548c5d9-976c-6e9b-7505-0c0dae459995@iz4afw.org>
	<7b41d0e4-b559-34f5-4afb-78b4e33d4335@embarqmail.com>
	<9797cb99-c39a-d9f1-ba0e-95cb37eac1f7@iz4afw.org>
Message-ID: <f3871ecc-36da-0dc9-59b3-e435493803d2@embarqmail.com>

Fabio,

It is good to hear that you were successful.

Sometimes you have to whittle down the toothpick, but with the thin 
"squarish" ones ones they usually work out-of-the box.

I am gald to hear you had success with the SS needle.  The only problem 
with the metallic needle is that it heats and can burn your fingers if 
you do not take precautions.

I use stainless steel needles fashioned from the ground down shafts of 
dental tools for that purpose.  They are often found at hamfests here in 
the US.  But then I work mostly on the K2 where that procedure is often 
required.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/21/2016 6:58 PM, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W wrote:
> Thanks guys,
>    I finally made it. I had to use needles and to heat the pad and the 
> needle itself. The toothpick was too big to be used (maybe we have big 
> teeth in Italy?)
>
> Thank you very much for the replies! I was feeling stupid but, hey, I 
> wanted that mod done!! :)
>
> Ciao,
>  Fabio
>  IZ4AFW
>
> Il 21.11.2016 23:46, Don Wilhelm ha scritto:
>> Fabio,
>>
>> To open the thru-plated holes after you have used solder wick, heat the
>> solder pads and push out the remaining solder with a wooden toothpick or
>> a stainless steel needle.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 11/21/2016 5:06 PM, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>   I'm having some tough time installing the K3AUDPROTMDKT assembly on
>>> the main board of my K3.
>>> As for every upgrade, I am following the instructions. I removed the 
>>> two
>>> old electrolytic caps in a few seconds, it was easy and quick.
>>>
>>> But installing the new tiny board, as easy as it seems, is just a
>>> different matter. I was able to remove almost all of the remaining
>>> solder, but the pass-thru holes just remain closed with some solder. I
>>> tried with some solder wick but to no avail.
>>> In addition, the pass-thru holes are so small that I don't have any 
>>> tool
>>> that I can use to try to open those holes while heating the board with
>>> my soldering iron.
>>> I tried to align the 4 legs of the assembly but -of course- pushing 
>>> them
>>> through the holes is not easy, as they bend as soon as I apply a 
>>> minimum
>>> force.
>


From htrn727 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 19:39:09 2016
From: htrn727 at yahoo.com (M.)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 00:39:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FS
References: <1018924216.1524049.1479775149742.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1018924216.1524049.1479775149742@mail.yahoo.com>

K3/100s/n 7148KBPF3KIO3KXV3KNB32.7 kHz and 400 Hz filters(No tuner, original synthesizer)

$1800split shipping
73, Mike N4GU

From w1go at icloud.com  Mon Nov 21 21:15:49 2016
From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe))
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 02:15:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 code oscillator
In-Reply-To: <EE4D4805-18F7-42B4-8ED0-E6FFEF657A67@icloud.com>
References: <EE4D4805-18F7-42B4-8ED0-E6FFEF657A67@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <3428D3F0-9699-4AE9-8B15-736BDDBB1EC5@icloud.com>

Al,

Quick follow-up on the KPA500 with the very loud buzzing transformer ? after hours of disassembling, reassembling, tightening, etc., I couldn?t correct the problem and sent the unit back to the mother ship.  The transformer had a problem and was replaced.  I have heard from others that they were similarly told of a problem with transformers that would require replacement.  My unit is now wonderfully quiet.

My unit was a kit, but it makes me wonder if the ?burn-in? of assembled units is simply an idle current test or if the unit it tested under load at different modes; my unit was quiet on SSB but ferociously loud on CW (even at 5W drive). It seems that would be pretty easy to detect in an assembled unit; kits are a whole other story.

In any event, aside for the $80+ it cost me to ship the unit back, all is well ? and quiet.

Joe W1GO

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 5:46 PM, W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Finished assembly of KPA500 and a little surprised at the magnitude of hum / buzz during CW (no real issue on SSB); I've read about it but was surprised at just how pronounced it is.   I could use the KPA500 as a code oscillator for practice; no need to keep monitor turned on.  I've read most of the historical dialogue regarding methods to minimize "the buzz": use yellow wire tap, keep wires from touching chassis, make sure everything (including transformer) is good and tight, etc.  all those things are done with little positive impact.  I'm running off well regulated 240 VAC.
> 
> I just wonder if anyone has any other "secrets" they might share.  My code proficiency is not great, at this point, and having the KPA500 groan in response to my keying is somewhat distracting; even with headphones when monitor is turned up higher than usual.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Joe
> W1GO
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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Nov 22 05:40:33 2016
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 03:40:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WTB:KAT500
In-Reply-To: <1477301624737-7623620.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1476702140324-7623456.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1477301624737-7623620.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1479811233457-7624163.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

sorry to bother. Just want to let you know I am still looking for KAT500.
No luck until now...

Thank you for offers.

best 73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Nov 22 08:53:47 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:53:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>

I run a remote base with a KPA500.  The Amp is a 3 hour drive away.

I can control just about everything remotely without effort.  The
installation has been rock solid for years (Flex 6300 / KPA500)  and lots
of chokes everwhere.

Last week the unit worked fine.  Today the KPA500 appears to shut down
based on the Remote GUI.

I will be on SSB, and then I see the bar at the bottom go to PWR OFF, reset
and go back to Powering ON/ Amp On.  This is when the amp is only producing
about 300 watts peak (about 24 watts drive).

There are no error messages displayed at all and the only thing I suspect
it might be is low AC voltage into the amp.

RF could be the problem, however in 2 years running contests, this is the
first time I have seen a shutdown like this.  I run many Mix 43 chokes on
all coax and signal lines.

Are there other messages I can see by monitoring the Serial port at all?
Any thing else I can do remotely?

I can recreate this on 160/80/40m.  Those antennas are at least 150 ft from
the station.

Also, at times, the GUI will seem to freeze.  The buttons work, but the bar
graphs are stuck frozen in time at a peak reading.  Yet, I can power off
the amp when this happens.

Currently, the amp is about 34F ambient temp.  In the past, I have used it
well below that (-25F) without issue (last winter).

My question is to the Elecraft guru's.  Any thoughts?  I am trying to
retrieve more data from the KPA500 remotely.

Mike va3mw

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Tue Nov 22 10:24:27 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:24:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <afe71651-9bc0-bd86-3965-1cb7624626c5@nycap.rr.com>

First thing that comes to mind - high SWR.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Nov 22 10:31:39 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <afe71651-9bc0-bd86-3965-1cb7624626c5@nycap.rr.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<afe71651-9bc0-bd86-3965-1cb7624626c5@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5SK+g1z36qw_3mhugOKtENU2-9gZZ8QHV1abwt5iRAJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not an SWR issue.  I can see the SWR on the KPA500 and on the external W2.
Both would alarm if the SWR got above got above 3:1.

At least, for the moment, I have eliminated that.

It could be breakdown in an antenna switch, but that would again show up as
something other than the until powering off and on.

Yes, it does seem like RF, but when nothing has changed in a year (and I
mean nothing), I have to set that aside too until I have eliminated a few
other things.

I appreciate the idea though.

Mike va3mw


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> First thing that comes to mind - high SWR.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Nov 22 11:40:38 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:40:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5SK+g1z36qw_3mhugOKtENU2-9gZZ8QHV1abwt5iRAJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<afe71651-9bc0-bd86-3965-1cb7624626c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts5SK+g1z36qw_3mhugOKtENU2-9gZZ8QHV1abwt5iRAJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BECCF352-7498-4DAF-9C69-FFE6660347E1@me.com>

Mike;

There is no event in the firmware that should cause power down other that activating the power on/off signal, either through the front panel button or the AUX/IO signal. Having said this, obviously something is going on.
You don?t report any faults being shown, but that doesn?t mean there aren?t any. Is there anything anomalous that you are seeing other than the KPA powering off? Is there any connection to pin 8 of the KPA?s AUX connector? If so, it could be triggering the power-off.
 
Let?s try to gather more information to determine what is going on. If you can capture a current fault dump using the KPA Utility I will analyze it to see what it might reveal. I don?t know if you can get that remotely, but it is worth a try.

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> Not an SWR issue.  I can see the SWR on the KPA500 and on the external W2.
> Both would alarm if the SWR got above got above 3:1.
> 
> At least, for the moment, I have eliminated that.
> 
> It could be breakdown in an antenna switch, but that would again show up as
> something other than the until powering off and on.
> 
> Yes, it does seem like RF, but when nothing has changed in a year (and I
> mean nothing), I have to set that aside too until I have eliminated a few
> other things.
> 
> I appreciate the idea though.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> First thing that comes to mind - high SWR.
>> 
>> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Nov 22 11:50:12 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 11:50:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <BECCF352-7498-4DAF-9C69-FFE6660347E1@me.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<afe71651-9bc0-bd86-3965-1cb7624626c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts5SK+g1z36qw_3mhugOKtENU2-9gZZ8QHV1abwt5iRAJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BECCF352-7498-4DAF-9C69-FFE6660347E1@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4s+dBqdzo1m4NN=8sV-qx4W=e6V4LzbVWGHkWg7hqr1g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jack for taking the time to reply.

No faults are shown on the GUI.  There is no connection to Pin 8 of the Aux
connector either.

I will try to pull a dump tonight when I get home.  I will also do a trap
on the serial line to see if I can capture any data during a failure.  That
will hopefully point us in the correct direction.

73, Mike va3mw


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:

> Mike;
>
> There is no event in the firmware that should cause power down other that
> activating the power on/off signal, either through the front panel button
> or the AUX/IO signal. Having said this, obviously something is going on.
> You don?t report any faults being shown, but that doesn?t mean there
> aren?t any. Is there anything anomalous that you are seeing other than the
> KPA powering off? Is there any connection to pin 8 of the KPA?s AUX
> connector? If so, it could be triggering the power-off.
>
> Let?s try to gather more information to determine what is going on. If you
> can capture a current fault dump using the KPA Utility I will analyze it to
> see what it might reveal. I don?t know if you can get that remotely, but it
> is worth a try.
>
> 73,
>
> Jack Brindle, W6FB
> Elecraft Engineering
>
> > On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not an SWR issue.  I can see the SWR on the KPA500 and on the external
> W2.
> > Both would alarm if the SWR got above got above 3:1.
> >
> > At least, for the moment, I have eliminated that.
> >
> > It could be breakdown in an antenna switch, but that would again show up
> as
> > something other than the until powering off and on.
> >
> > Yes, it does seem like RF, but when nothing has changed in a year (and I
> > mean nothing), I have to set that aside too until I have eliminated a few
> > other things.
> >
> > I appreciate the idea though.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> First thing that comes to mind - high SWR.
> >>
> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From ve2fww at globetrotter.net  Tue Nov 22 12:37:51 2016
From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 cable
Message-ID: <a9bcf654-25b3-3575-3c39-d61207e69b3a@globetrotter.net>

I am wiring a new cable for THE KPA500 FOR THE K3S
Here are the pins I am using on a db15

2,3,4(NC),5,9 11,12,13,14
I am not using pin10 ....keying the kpa ....with an rca cable
I am not using pin 15... ALC
I would like to know if my setting is ok.....like this
Thanks
NOel




From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Nov 22 13:01:28 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:01:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 cable
In-Reply-To: <a9bcf654-25b3-3575-3c39-d61207e69b3a@globetrotter.net>
References: <a9bcf654-25b3-3575-3c39-d61207e69b3a@globetrotter.net>
Message-ID: <F64FD322-6BD9-4C7D-84D2-41463412E9B4@me.com>

Page 18 of the KPA500 manual contains a table with the connections you need to make (and the pins you shouldn?t connect).

If you see conflicts with the DIGOUT1 causing the KPA500 to be disabled you may wish to remove the pin 11 connection.

73,

- Jack, W6FB


> On Nov 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, NOEL POULIN <ve2fww at globetrotter.net> wrote:
> 
> I am wiring a new cable for THE KPA500 FOR THE K3S
> Here are the pins I am using on a db15
> 
> 2,3,4(NC),5,9 11,12,13,14
> I am not using pin10 ....keying the kpa ....with an rca cable
> I am not using pin 15... ALC
> I would like to know if my setting is ok.....like this
> Thanks
> NOel
> 
> 
> 
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 14:04:36 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:04:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc07tucL+g1p1HToZtn18sPvTfKefxHr=718Rmj4wqpL3A@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps outdoors you have had a ground go bad, or a connector go bad, to
all of a sudden have RF in the shack. Connection work loose, that kind of
thing. These could happen without your seeing SWR on the line you are
transmitting on.

73, Guy K2AV

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
wrote:

> I run a remote base with a KPA500.  The Amp is a 3 hour drive away.
>
> I can control just about everything remotely without effort.  The
> installation has been rock solid for years (Flex 6300 / KPA500)  and lots
> of chokes everwhere.
>
> Last week the unit worked fine.  Today the KPA500 appears to shut down
> based on the Remote GUI.
>
> I will be on SSB, and then I see the bar at the bottom go to PWR OFF, reset
> and go back to Powering ON/ Amp On.  This is when the amp is only producing
> about 300 watts peak (about 24 watts drive).
>
> There are no error messages displayed at all and the only thing I suspect
> it might be is low AC voltage into the amp.
>
> RF could be the problem, however in 2 years running contests, this is the
> first time I have seen a shutdown like this.  I run many Mix 43 chokes on
> all coax and signal lines.
>
> Are there other messages I can see by monitoring the Serial port at all?
> Any thing else I can do remotely?
>
> I can recreate this on 160/80/40m.  Those antennas are at least 150 ft from
> the station.
>
> Also, at times, the GUI will seem to freeze.  The buttons work, but the bar
> graphs are stuck frozen in time at a peak reading.  Yet, I can power off
> the amp when this happens.
>
> Currently, the amp is about 34F ambient temp.  In the past, I have used it
> well below that (-25F) without issue (last winter).
>
> My question is to the Elecraft guru's.  Any thoughts?  I am trying to
> retrieve more data from the KPA500 remotely.
>
> Mike va3mw
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k2dt at arrl.net  Tue Nov 22 14:42:52 2016
From: k2dt at arrl.net (Wayne Carlson, K2DT)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:42:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 to USB adapter for K2
In-Reply-To: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>
References: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <056701d244f8$9db552d0$d91ff870$@net>

I have been using this adapter with my K3, Windows 10 and N1MM+ as well as Ham Radio Deluxe.

http://amzn.to/2gdeg57

73, Wayne K2DT

-----Original Message-----
From: w2bvh [mailto:w2bvh at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:23 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 to USB adapter for K2

I just retired my 2000 vintage shack computer and the new one doesn't have a serial port.

Is there a list somewhere of model numbers for USB to RS232 converters that will play nice with both K2 and N1MM Logger under Win10?

Now that I blew the big bucks on the computer I'd like to save a few on the converter, without wasting any on one that won't work.

Thanks in advance for the info.

73,

--Lenny W2BVH




From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Nov 22 14:49:07 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:49:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 to USB adapter for K2
In-Reply-To: <056701d244f8$9db552d0$d91ff870$@net>
References: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>
	<056701d244f8$9db552d0$d91ff870$@net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7y9yEGNa9sr1rHUrMStRZiWmdWTMWO5-PBM_6EyK1CUQ@mail.gmail.com>

We use only these in our professional world as they also Com Retention.
Which means that once you set the com port number, it will never change
regardless of which USB port you plug it into.

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-Adapter-Retention-ICUSB2321F/dp/B004ZMYTYC/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1479844052&sr=1-1&keywords=startech+ftdi

Mike va3mw




On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Wayne Carlson, K2DT <k2dt at arrl.net> wrote:

> I have been using this adapter with my K3, Windows 10 and N1MM+ as well as
> Ham Radio Deluxe.
>
> http://amzn.to/2gdeg57
>
> 73, Wayne K2DT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w2bvh [mailto:w2bvh at comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:23 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 to USB adapter for K2
>
> I just retired my 2000 vintage shack computer and the new one doesn't have
> a serial port.
>
> Is there a list somewhere of model numbers for USB to RS232 converters
> that will play nice with both K2 and N1MM Logger under Win10?
>
> Now that I blew the big bucks on the computer I'd like to save a few on
> the converter, without wasting any on one that won't work.
>
> Thanks in advance for the info.
>
> 73,
>
> --Lenny W2BVH
>
>
>
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From w0eb at cox.net  Tue Nov 22 15:55:10 2016
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 20:55:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: FS: YouKits DP-1 QRP Power & SWR meter
Message-ID: <em33fa6673-dffb-4b10-892c-718d48ded2c8@jimsdesktop-pc>

Since there didn't seem to be any interest in the DP-1 here, it's now 
listed on eBay.

73,
Jim - W0EB


From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 16:35:41 2016
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick Bates (WA6NHC))
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:35:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc07tucL+g1p1HToZtn18sPvTfKefxHr=718Rmj4wqpL3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANckpc07tucL+g1p1HToZtn18sPvTfKefxHr=718Rmj4wqpL3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A66A2A8-F482-4AF1-94FD-3E3FF26C75A2@gmail.com>

It could also be tiny livestock nibbling at the wiring, making nests etc. (or large livestock tripping, kicking ...)  Just because you didn't do anything doesn't mean they're idle.  Natural events such as lightning, icing of the antennas or something else could make things go wonky (usually a reset of power clears electrical issues and it might NOT be KPA related if one of the other connected devices went whack).  If you haven't been there in a year, perhaps loneliness?  ;-)

If you are using a remote computer, the readings you seek to know (voltage, current, SWR) are available via the utility program (that's how I control mine remotely).

I'd be VERY curious if shutdown was truly random as opposed to happening when the transmitter was on.  But that would tend to point to a non-RF issue.

Ultimately, it appears you'll have to take a day trip to investigate.

73,
Rick

Spell Czech happens

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps outdoors you have had a ground go bad, or a connector go bad, to
> all of a sudden have RF in the shack. Connection work loose, that kind of
> thing. These could happen without your seeing SWR on the line you are
> transmitting on.
> 
> 73, Guy K2AV
> 
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> I run a remote base with a KPA500.  The Amp is a 3 hour drive away.
>> 
>> I can control just about everything remotely without effort.  The
>> installation has been rock solid for years (Flex 6300 / KPA500)  and lots
>> of chokes everwhere.
>> 
>> Last week the unit worked fine.  Today the KPA500 appears to shut down
>> based on the Remote GUI.
>> 
>> I will be on SSB, and then I see the bar at the bottom go to PWR OFF, reset
>> and go back to Powering ON/ Amp On.  This is when the amp is only producing
>> about 300 watts peak (about 24 watts drive).
>> 
>> There are no error messages displayed at all and the only thing I suspect
>> it might be is low AC voltage into the amp.
>> 
>> RF could be the problem, however in 2 years running contests, this is the
>> first time I have seen a shutdown like this.  I run many Mix 43 chokes on
>> all coax and signal lines.
>> 
>> Are there other messages I can see by monitoring the Serial port at all?
>> Any thing else I can do remotely?
>> 
>> I can recreate this on 160/80/40m.  Those antennas are at least 150 ft from
>> the station.
>> 
>> Also, at times, the GUI will seem to freeze.  The buttons work, but the bar
>> graphs are stuck frozen in time at a peak reading.  Yet, I can power off
>> the amp when this happens.
>> 
>> Currently, the amp is about 34F ambient temp.  In the past, I have used it
>> well below that (-25F) without issue (last winter).
>> 
>> My question is to the Elecraft guru's.  Any thoughts?  I am trying to
>> retrieve more data from the KPA500 remotely.
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Tue Nov 22 16:44:40 2016
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 21:44:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <6A66A2A8-F482-4AF1-94FD-3E3FF26C75A2@gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANckpc07tucL+g1p1HToZtn18sPvTfKefxHr=718Rmj4wqpL3A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<6A66A2A8-F482-4AF1-94FD-3E3FF26C75A2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD128CE2E0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Mike I totally agree with this assessment.  As you know I have a remote contest site. As you are probably aware the systems in a remote site can go long periods with no problems, but usually if all the telemetry looks ok there are various other factors that may require eyes on check.  Most of the time I have discovered to "trust my instruments".  Fortunately my remote KPA-500/KAT-500 combo have provided years of very reliable service in a less than hospitable environment at K6LRG.

I wish you the best of luck in tracking this down!

Chris
N6WM
________________________________________
From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Rick Bates (WA6NHC) [wa6nhc at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:35 PM
To: Guy Olinger K2AV
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down

It could also be tiny livestock nibbling at the wiring, making nests etc. (or large livestock tripping, kicking ...)  Just because you didn't do anything doesn't mean they're idle.  Natural events such as lightning, icing of the antennas or something else could make things go wonky (usually a reset of power clears electrical issues and it might NOT be KPA related if one of the other connected devices went whack).  If you haven't been there in a year, perhaps loneliness?  ;-)

If you are using a remote computer, the readings you seek to know (voltage, current, SWR) are available via the utility program (that's how I control mine remotely).

I'd be VERY curious if shutdown was truly random as opposed to happening when the transmitter was on.  But that would tend to point to a non-RF issue.

Ultimately, it appears you'll have to take a day trip to investigate.

73,
Rick

Spell Czech happens

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps outdoors you have had a ground go bad, or a connector go bad, to
> all of a sudden have RF in the shack. Connection work loose, that kind of
> thing. These could happen without your seeing SWR on the line you are
> transmitting on.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I run a remote base with a KPA500.  The Amp is a 3 hour drive away.
>>
>> I can control just about everything remotely without effort.  The
>> installation has been rock solid for years (Flex 6300 / KPA500)  and lots
>> of chokes everwhere.
>>
>> Last week the unit worked fine.  Today the KPA500 appears to shut down
>> based on the Remote GUI.
>>
>> I will be on SSB, and then I see the bar at the bottom go to PWR OFF, reset
>> and go back to Powering ON/ Amp On.  This is when the amp is only producing
>> about 300 watts peak (about 24 watts drive).
>>
>> There are no error messages displayed at all and the only thing I suspect
>> it might be is low AC voltage into the amp.
>>
>> RF could be the problem, however in 2 years running contests, this is the
>> first time I have seen a shutdown like this.  I run many Mix 43 chokes on
>> all coax and signal lines.
>>
>> Are there other messages I can see by monitoring the Serial port at all?
>> Any thing else I can do remotely?
>>
>> I can recreate this on 160/80/40m.  Those antennas are at least 150 ft from
>> the station.
>>
>> Also, at times, the GUI will seem to freeze.  The buttons work, but the bar
>> graphs are stuck frozen in time at a peak reading.  Yet, I can power off
>> the amp when this happens.
>>
>> Currently, the amp is about 34F ambient temp.  In the past, I have used it
>> well below that (-25F) without issue (last winter).
>>
>> My question is to the Elecraft guru's.  Any thoughts?  I am trying to
>> retrieve more data from the KPA500 remotely.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From n0so at att.net  Tue Nov 22 19:41:13 2016
From: n0so at att.net (Mike Heitmann)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:41:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 to USB adapter for K2
In-Reply-To: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>
References: <095ddfad-26c4-36f8-4fb2-31d2f77f9178@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8F93479A-9685-41E8-B117-8EF4E504FD18@att.net>

If you're handy with a soldering iron, these FTDI USB to RS-232 "wire end" cables work well:
http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_USB_RS232_CABLES.pdf

The cable is a USB plug / converter at one end and "bare wires" at the other end. You will need to solder on a connector that fits your rig. Given that the K2 I/O connector is not standard, I would only connect pins 2, 3 and 5 on the mating connector.


Mike, N0SO

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:23 PM, w2bvh <w2bvh at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I just retired my 2000 vintage shack computer and the new one doesn't have a serial port.
> 
> Is there a list somewhere of model numbers for USB to RS232 converters that will play nice with both K2 and N1MM Logger under Win10?
> 
> Now that I blew the big bucks on the computer I'd like to save a few on the converter, without wasting any on one that won't work.

From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 20:44:00 2016
From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 01:44:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Rechargable Batteries
References: <1736439163.79495.1479865440345.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1736439163.79495.1479865440345@mail.yahoo.com>

Taking the batteries in and out? of the radio between portable operations is a pain. Can I take out just one in the string? That would eliminate any current drain. Are there other considerations?? Doug K6JEY
?

 

From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov 22 21:03:23 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:03:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Rechargable Batteries
In-Reply-To: <1736439163.79495.1479865440345@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1736439163.79495.1479865440345.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1736439163.79495.1479865440345@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5bf03fc1-b36d-dba4-4abd-57ab002e5948@roadrunner.com>

If you have the battery charger / RTC, it would reduce the current drain 
by a tiny amount (think uA).  But .. it is likely that battery 
self-discharge is taking more charge from the batteries than the RTC.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 11/22/2016 5:44 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote:
> Taking the batteries in and out  of the radio between portable operations is a pain. Can I take out just one in the string? That would eliminate any current drain. Are there other considerations?  Doug K6JEY
>   
>
>   
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[Shiraz]


From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Tue Nov 22 21:58:01 2016
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 20:58:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pods and Contests
Message-ID: <a41c5197-a6d5-d317-cecc-6541f6ad4c50@tx.rr.com>

I installed a new K-Pod on my primary station just before undertaking a 
serious effort in Sweepstakes CW. This addition to the station proved to 
be extremely useful.

In a CW contest like SS there are always quite a few people who have 
trouble calling on frequency, especially the casual participants who 
make up the bulk of the QSOs on Sunday. When I'm running I normally put 
the K3 in Split mode, transmitting on VFO B and receiving on VFO A. This 
setup makes it much easier to use the big knob to tune in the 
off-frequency guys rather than the tiny RIT/XIT knob. But... it still 
means I'm constantly having to take one hand off the keyboard and reach 
over to tune the radio. Doing this a few hundred times in the course of 
a 24 hour contest effort can be pretty tiring. This time I put the K-Pod 
right next to the keyboard, so that the only motion necessary was to 
move my hand a couple of inches to do the tuning. The reduction in 
fatigue by the end of the contest was quite noticeable.

I only got the K-Pod a couple of days before SS CW, so I didn't have 
time to set up the radio macros to take full advantage of the macro 
buttons. Immediately after the contest I did two things: 1. I set up 
macros to toggle Split mode, XIT on/off and Diversity on/off in both my 
K3s; and 2. Ordered another K-Pod for the second radio.

When SS SSB rolled around I had both radios ready to go. I'm an 
extremely reluctant phone operator, so I only operated for a limited 
time on Sunday. Having the K-Pods for each radio, one on either side of 
the keyboard, made it a piece of cake to do two-radio Search & Pounce. 
Now I'm looking forward to CQWW CW this weekend to really give them a 
workout.

These things rock! If you're a K3 contester you really need one (or two).

73...
Randy, W8FN

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Nov 22 22:05:40 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:05:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Rechargable Batteries
In-Reply-To: <5bf03fc1-b36d-dba4-4abd-57ab002e5948@roadrunner.com>
References: <1736439163.79495.1479865440345.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1736439163.79495.1479865440345@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5bf03fc1-b36d-dba4-4abd-57ab002e5948@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <50b858ab-7937-6ef9-8c70-20e58e2520e9@socal.rr.com>


From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Wed Nov 23 06:16:10 2016
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 04:16:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Reported RX Frequncies in WSJT-X?
Message-ID: <1479899770494-7624182.post@n2.nabble.com>

Looking at WSJT-X 1.7rc2 ALL_WSPR log and seeing RX frequencies such as
14.0971282. Seems like too many digits unless reporting 10th of a Hertz as
in 14,097,128.2 Hz. Perhaps this is calculated as an average over the RX
window?

Looking at the log for RX over 500+ RXs, I find the RX frequency range is
206Hz. Actual TX 14,097,037 and average RX at 14,097,110, or +73Hz.

I have a GPSDO managed PC clock as well as a GPSDO managed frequency
oscillator in my K3S transceiver, so my regulation is pretty tight.

What are the major components of the deviation in reported RX frequency? I
posted on WSPRnet also, but one seldom gets replies there on any posts.

Bret/N4SRN 



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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Nov 23 07:42:56 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc07tucL+g1p1HToZtn18sPvTfKefxHr=718Rmj4wqpL3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANckpc07tucL+g1p1HToZtn18sPvTfKefxHr=718Rmj4wqpL3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6ks3EgzNy5_CiGPhW4f_iFHuCL0xtDVW9n6ukAi4Uh7w@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to say thanks to Jack for spending time after hours analyzing my
KPA500 log and providing some detailed analysis.

While I haven't solved the problem yet, I have enough clues that possibly
support my theory of a bad AC supply line.

I will likely get to my remote base over the weekend, so I should have the
next clue on why it fails by then.

It is thanks to the support of Elecraft that I buy their product.  In fact,
when it comes to HF, I only use US manufactures for radios and supporting
products.  That is because they all provide amazing service!

Mike va3mw


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Perhaps outdoors you have had a ground go bad, or a connector go bad, to
> all of a sudden have RF in the shack. Connection work loose, that kind of
> thing. These could happen without your seeing SWR on the line you are
> transmitting on.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I run a remote base with a KPA500.  The Amp is a 3 hour drive away.
>>
>> I can control just about everything remotely without effort.  The
>> installation has been rock solid for years (Flex 6300 / KPA500)  and lots
>> of chokes everwhere.
>>
>> Last week the unit worked fine.  Today the KPA500 appears to shut down
>> based on the Remote GUI.
>>
>> I will be on SSB, and then I see the bar at the bottom go to PWR OFF,
>> reset
>> and go back to Powering ON/ Amp On.  This is when the amp is only
>> producing
>> about 300 watts peak (about 24 watts drive).
>>
>> There are no error messages displayed at all and the only thing I suspect
>> it might be is low AC voltage into the amp.
>>
>> RF could be the problem, however in 2 years running contests, this is the
>> first time I have seen a shutdown like this.  I run many Mix 43 chokes on
>> all coax and signal lines.
>>
>> Are there other messages I can see by monitoring the Serial port at all?
>> Any thing else I can do remotely?
>>
>> I can recreate this on 160/80/40m.  Those antennas are at least 150 ft
>> from
>> the station.
>>
>> Also, at times, the GUI will seem to freeze.  The buttons work, but the
>> bar
>> graphs are stuck frozen in time at a peak reading.  Yet, I can power off
>> the amp when this happens.
>>
>> Currently, the amp is about 34F ambient temp.  In the past, I have used it
>> well below that (-25F) without issue (last winter).
>>
>> My question is to the Elecraft guru's.  Any thoughts?  I am trying to
>> retrieve more data from the KPA500 remotely.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From richard at lamont.me.uk  Wed Nov 23 07:51:02 2016
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:51:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Reported RX Frequncies in WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <1479899770494-7624182.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1479899770494-7624182.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <fdf938b2-71bd-dff3-3b4b-21aab3a27538@lamont.me.uk>

On 23/11/16 11:16, MaverickNH wrote:

> Looking at WSJT-X 1.7rc2 ALL_WSPR log and seeing RX frequencies such as
> 14.0971282. Seems like too many digits unless reporting 10th of a Hertz as
> in 14,097,128.2 Hz. Perhaps this is calculated as an average over the RX
> window?
> 
> Looking at the log for RX over 500+ RXs, I find the RX frequency range is
> 206Hz. Actual TX 14,097,037 and average RX at 14,097,110, or +73Hz.
> 
> I have a GPSDO managed PC clock as well as a GPSDO managed frequency
> oscillator in my K3S transceiver, so my regulation is pretty tight.
> 
> What are the major components of the deviation in reported RX frequency? I
> posted on WSPRnet also, but one seldom gets replies there on any posts.

There are errors at the TX end, errors at the RX end and errors in the
middle: ionospheric doppler shift.

With a K3S + GPSDO, the biggest source of RX error might be the
tolerance of the sampling frequency of the sound card. The built-in USB
sound card has a 100ppm clock crystal, corresponding to ?0.15 Hz @ 1500 Hz.

-- 
Richard G4DYA


From lists at subich.com  Wed Nov 23 07:53:40 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:53:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reported RX Frequncies in WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <1479899770494-7624182.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1479899770494-7624182.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <dd8ec24f-2828-b48a-57bf-87390cb1eec9@subich.com>



On 11/23/2016 6:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> Looking at WSJT-X 1.7rc2 ALL_WSPR log and seeing RX frequencies such as
> 14.0971282. Seems like too many digits unless reporting 10th of a Hertz as
> in 14,097,128.2 Hz. Perhaps this is calculated as an average over the RX
> window?

Yes it is calculated:  Dial (carrier) frequency + tone (audio
frequency) of the sync bits.

> Looking at the log for RX over 500+ RXs, I find the RX frequency range is
> 206Hz. Actual TX 14,097,037 and average RX at 14,097,110, or +73Hz.

This would appear to indicate a "dial" frequency of 14,096.000 KHz with
a transmit audio frequency (sync bits) of 1,037 Hz while signals you
receive have somewhat dial or audio frequencies.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV



From alsopb at comcast.net  Wed Nov 23 08:12:55 2016
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:12:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Reported RX Frequncies in WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <fdf938b2-71bd-dff3-3b4b-21aab3a27538@lamont.me.uk>
References: <1479899770494-7624182.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<fdf938b2-71bd-dff3-3b4b-21aab3a27538@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <583595D7.5010802@comcast.net>



On 11/23/2016 12:51 PM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>
>
> There are errors at the TX end, errors at the RX end and errors in the
> middle: ionospheric doppler shift.

Doppler shifts are 1 Hz or less at these frequencies.

Look to rig calibration as the major source.  Many guys don't calibrate 
their rigs.  Being 100 Hz off is quite reasonable.

73 de Brian/K3KO


From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 11:07:53 2016
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:07:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / PX3 Combo For Sale
Message-ID: <58630741-E95F-447D-8CE2-150626C9B076@gmail.com>

Sorry for any duplication - I think I sent previously from a bad email address.

Offering for sale here first?

KX3 S/N 46xx. Has the following accessories / add-ons:

MH3 hand mic
KXFL3 dual-passband roofing filter
KXAT3 20 W tuner
KXBC3 NiMH battery charger / clock
~25? power cord with PowerPoles installed
~9? BNC(M)-to-PL-259 RG-8X coax
KXUSB computer interface cable
2 ea. ~6' right-angle TRS(M)-to-TRS(F) cables
Right-angle BNC(M)-to-BNC(F) adapter

I have added the following:

VE7FMN Cooler KX Plus heatsink
Gems Products KX3 Combo End Panels and Cover

PX3 S/N 3xx. Has the following add-ons:

KXUSB computer interface cable
PX3CBL PX3-KX3 interface cable
~34? power cord with PowerPoles installed
PX3 Nifty! Mini-manual
Gems Products PX3 Combo End Panels and Cover
Wireless keyboard

In regards to the GEMS Products add-ons, I have the original side panels around here somewhere. I?ll try to locate them and include with the package. As for the heat-sink, I have the original and will also include it. However, I will *not* uninstall and then reinstall either the end panels or the heat sink - it?s an all-or-none deal when it comes to those accessories.

KX3 price is $1250 shipped and insured to your door

PX3 price is $450 shipped and insured to your door

If you decide to purchase both, it?ll be $1650 shipped and insured to your door.

I am not the original owner of either.

Please reply direct to me at joel.b.black at gmail.com <mailto:joel.b.black at gmail.com>.

Thanks for looking.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

From fcady at montana.edu  Wed Nov 23 11:22:04 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:22:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question
In-Reply-To: <903F4908-C43B-4094-B66F-CB3578074654@gmail.com>
References: <9F3DC7F3-F209-4C74-BD37-0D81251A47BD@comcast.net>,
	<903F4908-C43B-4094-B66F-CB3578074654@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB0809F4A3906EEBCFDFC54FA7AFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Marty,

I don't remember seeing any response to your question so here is what I have found with my KPod:

The K3's tuning rate is determined by VFO CTS, FST and CRS and there are two fine rates (1 Hz and 10 Hz) and a course rate (100 Hz) depending on the FINE/COARSE switch.

So when my CTS is 200, the K3 tunes 200 Hz, 2 kHz and 10 kHz per revolution.

The normal power-on KPod tunes 100 Hz, 1 kHz, and 5 kHz per revolution.  (it divides by 2).

Holding F3 when power-on the KPod tunes 50 Hz, 500 Hz and 2.5 kHz per revolution (divide by 4).


Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com>

(A macro programming book is coming soon.)




________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Marty Koszewski <mtkoszew at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

I installed the latest K-Pod firmware - MCU 1.09.   The release notes state "Adds a power-on feature: if the F3 button is held during power up the K-Pod encoder uses a divide by 4 scaling factor."    I do not notice any difference when powering up holding the F3 button.

What is the 'F3' power-up supposed to do?  I thought it might address the 4X VFO knob speed difference between the K3 and the K-Pod (my K3s VFO is still 4X faster than the K-Pod).

Thanks.

Marty - N1VH


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From n3ikq at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 23 11:50:48 2016
From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2 + T1] Data cable
References: <1553438748.533948.1479919848656.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1553438748.533948.1479919848656@mail.yahoo.com>

Will the KX2 or 3 communicate with a TI through a properly made data cable? I only see info on mating to a Yeasu rig. Has anyone gotten their KX to talk to a T1through one of the aux ports? It would be nice to put the T1 at the feedpoint of an antenna and have it talk to the rig. As it stands now I have a simple remote tune button that works but taking it to the next level would be great. Thanks.

From doug at w7kf.com  Wed Nov 23 12:00:50 2016
From: doug at w7kf.com (Doug Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:00:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pods and Contests
In-Reply-To: <a41c5197-a6d5-d317-cecc-6541f6ad4c50@tx.rr.com>
References: <a41c5197-a6d5-d317-cecc-6541f6ad4c50@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <17F2BAAE-2959-4A2E-948E-4A0BC2D7CB9C@w7kf.com>

I agree ? the K-Pod is really cool for contesting.  I love that the K-Pod can sit right next to the keyboard *and* that it has a goodly number of F-Keys.

I set mine up for CW SS as:

F1	-	SUB RX On/Off
F1H	-	Diversity On/Off
F2	-	APF On/Off
F3	-	NB On/Off
F4	-	NR On/Off

F5	-	VFO A/B
F6	-	RX Ant
F7	-	
F8	-	Auto Spot
F8H	-	Tune (tune power set at 20 watts)

I used every programmed key enough to justify it?s existence and rarely touched the radio.  I also used the VFO A / VFO B / RIT switch a fair amount.  I didn?t have to reach up to adjust the radio very much; usually to adjust the balance between the two receivers in diversity mode or tweak the volume.  

BTW, diversity receive with an RX-only antenna that is cross polarized from the main antenna is magical!

CW SS was my first use of my new K3S / K-Pod / P3 / SP3.  What a GREAT rig!

73,
Doug, W7KF
http://www.w7kf.com <http://www.w7kf.com/>



> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Randy Farmer <w8fn at tx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I installed a new K-Pod on my primary station just before undertaking a serious effort in Sweepstakes CW. This addition to the station proved to be extremely useful.
> ?..


From cx7tt at 4email.net  Wed Nov 23 13:48:40 2016
From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:48:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Err KP1?
Message-ID: <bda26d1e-cd37-32c1-1ac5-5cbca4090314@4email.net>

Changed the feedline to the vertical dipole from 18ga ladder line to
14ga and tested the system...all works fine except on 15m cw with
K3s/KPA500/KAT500 as usual.  Barefoot, no msg, but with K3s providing
23w of drive to get 500w out, I get an intermittent ERR KP1.  Dont see
this code in the manual.

Any ideas or suggestions?

73
Tom
HP1XT

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 13:09:31 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Err KP1?
In-Reply-To: <bda26d1e-cd37-32c1-1ac5-5cbca4090314@4email.net>
References: <bda26d1e-cd37-32c1-1ac5-5cbca4090314@4email.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3cpCfT=sd36=W8_ukWPwNbSR_JdDScmfHGr0jY0NU8Ew@mail.gmail.com>

Google elecraft err kp1

73, Guy K2AV

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016, <cx7tt at 4email.net> wrote:

> Changed the feedline to the vertical dipole from 18ga ladder line to
> 14ga and tested the system...all works fine except on 15m cw with
> K3s/KPA500/KAT500 as usual.  Barefoot, no msg, but with K3s providing
> 23w of drive to get 500w out, I get an intermittent ERR KP1.  Dont see
> this code in the manual.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> 73
> Tom
> HP1XT
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From mtkoszew at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 14:42:53 2016
From: mtkoszew at gmail.com (Marty Koszewski)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:42:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question
Message-ID: <749BCFDC-4218-4F23-AD4F-378FE5ACE1D0@gmail.com>

Hi Fred,
Thank you for your detailed response.  I am able to get my K-Pod to behave as you described.  However, the 'F3 power up' seems to work intermittently.  I must cycle the radio and K-Pod to get the tuning rate change to take place. Re-powering the K-Pod only does not seem to consistently change the tuning rate. 
I am looking forward to the firmware upgrade that will allow the K-Pod to have the same tuning rate as the K3S (instead of 1:2 or 1:4).

Happy Thanksgiving!
Marty - N1VH

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Marty,

I don't remember seeing any response to your question so here is what I have found with my KPod:

The K3's tuning rate is determined by VFO CTS, FST and CRS and there are two fine rates (1 Hz and 10 Hz) and a course rate (100 Hz) depending on the FINE/COARSE switch.

So when my CTS is 200, the K3 tunes 200 Hz, 2 kHz and 10 kHz per revolution.

The normal power-on KPod tunes 100 Hz, 1 kHz, and 5 kHz per revolution.  (it divides by 2).

Holding F3 when power-on the KPod tunes 50 Hz, 500 Hz and 2.5 kHz per revolution (divide by 4).


Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com <http://www.ke7x.com/>>

(A macro programming book is coming soon.)




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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

I installed the latest K-Pod firmware - MCU 1.09.   The release notes state "Adds a power-on feature: if the F3 button is held during power up the K-Pod encoder uses a divide by 4 scaling factor."    I do not notice any difference when powering up holding the F3 button.

What is the 'F3' power-up supposed to do?  I thought it might address the 4X VFO knob speed difference between the K3 and the K-Pod (my K3s VFO is still 4X faster than the K-Pod).

Thanks.

Marty - N1VH


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From fcady at montana.edu  Wed Nov 23 16:44:56 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:44:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question (RIT tunit)
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0201MB0809F4A3906EEBCFDFC54FA7AFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9F3DC7F3-F209-4C74-BD37-0D81251A47BD@comcast.net>,
	<903F4908-C43B-4094-B66F-CB3578074654@gmail.com>,
	<CY1PR0201MB0809F4A3906EEBCFDFC54FA7AFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB080905FFD7885C61074FF2D0AFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I've done some more testing and it is interesting to see the tuning rate for the KPod RIT in comparison to the OFS RIT tuning knob.

The K3 OFS knob changes the RIT frequency at about 500 Hz/rev.

Normal KPod power-on, the KPod knob changes the RIT frequency at about 1 kHz/rev and when holding F3 to power on, 500 Hz/rev.


To see these rates you have to tune the knobs fairly slowly so an encoder pulse isn't missed.


Cheer and 73,

Fred KE7X


________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Cady, Fred <fcady at montana.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:22 AM
To: Marty Koszewski; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

Hello Marty,

I don't remember seeing any response to your question so here is what I have found with my KPod:

The K3's tuning rate is determined by VFO CTS, FST and CRS and there are two fine rates (1 Hz and 10 Hz) and a course rate (100 Hz) depending on the FINE/COARSE switch.

So when my CTS is 200, the K3 tunes 200 Hz, 2 kHz and 10 kHz per revolution.

The normal power-on KPod tunes 100 Hz, 1 kHz, and 5 kHz per revolution.  (it divides by 2).

Holding F3 when power-on the KPod tunes 50 Hz, 500 Hz and 2.5 kHz per revolution (divide by 4).


Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com>

(A macro programming book is coming soon.)




________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Marty Koszewski <mtkoszew at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

I installed the latest K-Pod firmware - MCU 1.09.   The release notes state "Adds a power-on feature: if the F3 button is held during power up the K-Pod encoder uses a divide by 4 scaling factor."    I do not notice any difference when powering up holding the F3 button.

What is the 'F3' power-up supposed to do?  I thought it might address the 4X VFO knob speed difference between the K3 and the K-Pod (my K3s VFO is still 4X faster than the K-Pod).

Thanks.

Marty - N1VH


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From fcady at montana.edu  Wed Nov 23 16:47:31 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:47:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question
In-Reply-To: <749BCFDC-4218-4F23-AD4F-378FE5ACE1D0@gmail.com>
References: <749BCFDC-4218-4F23-AD4F-378FE5ACE1D0@gmail.com>
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That is interesting.  I have my KPod powered from the K3 12v output so have been turning both off and on so haven't noticed the intermittents.

In any event, the KPod is great!

Cheers,

Fred



________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Marty Koszewski <mtkoszew at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:42 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

Hi Fred,
Thank you for your detailed response.  I am able to get my K-Pod to behave as you described.  However, the 'F3 power up' seems to work intermittently.  I must cycle the radio and K-Pod to get the tuning rate change to take place. Re-powering the K-Pod only does not seem to consistently change the tuning rate.
I am looking forward to the firmware upgrade that will allow the K-Pod to have the same tuning rate as the K3S (instead of 1:2 or 1:4).

Happy Thanksgiving!
Marty - N1VH

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Marty,

I don't remember seeing any response to your question so here is what I have found with my KPod:

The K3's tuning rate is determined by VFO CTS, FST and CRS and there are two fine rates (1 Hz and 10 Hz) and a course rate (100 Hz) depending on the FINE/COARSE switch.

So when my CTS is 200, the K3 tunes 200 Hz, 2 kHz and 10 kHz per revolution.

The normal power-on KPod tunes 100 Hz, 1 kHz, and 5 kHz per revolution.  (it divides by 2).

Holding F3 when power-on the KPod tunes 50 Hz, 500 Hz and 2.5 kHz per revolution (divide by 4).


Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com <http://www.ke7x.com/>>

(A macro programming book is coming soon.)




________________________________
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

I installed the latest K-Pod firmware - MCU 1.09.   The release notes state "Adds a power-on feature: if the F3 button is held during power up the K-Pod encoder uses a divide by 4 scaling factor."    I do not notice any difference when powering up holding the F3 button.

What is the 'F3' power-up supposed to do?  I thought it might address the 4X VFO knob speed difference between the K3 and the K-Pod (my K3s VFO is still 4X faster than the K-Pod).

Thanks.

Marty - N1VH


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From mtkoszew at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 17:10:35 2016
From: mtkoszew at gmail.com (Marty Koszewski)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:10:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0201MB08095935DB19361A4C5500BDAFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <749BCFDC-4218-4F23-AD4F-378FE5ACE1D0@gmail.com>
	<CY1PR0201MB08095935DB19361A4C5500BDAFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B4A1B231-1D58-474A-A7F2-B8CBDCD74122@gmail.com>

Hi Fred,
I re-installed the K-Pod and K3S firmware.  The K-Pod is now working as it is supposed to.  I must have had a ?glitch? in the original K-Pod firmware upgrade.  The ?F3? at power up does the correct ?divide by 4?.  The K-Pod now resets itself when I cycle the power on the radio without the need to disconnect the K-Pod.  (My K-Pod is powered through the data port - I did the resistor upgrade to eliminate the need for a power cable).

Thanks again for your help.

Marty - N1VH


On Nov 23, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Cady, Fred <fcady at montana.edu> wrote:

That is interesting.  I have my KPod powered from the K3 12v output so have been turning both off and on so haven't noticed the intermittents.
In any event, the KPod is great!
Cheers,
Fred



From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> on behalf of Marty Koszewski <mtkoszew at gmail.com <mailto:mtkoszew at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:42 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question
 
Hi Fred,
Thank you for your detailed response.  I am able to get my K-Pod to behave as you described.  However, the 'F3 power up' seems to work intermittently.  I must cycle the radio and K-Pod to get the tuning rate change to take place. Re-powering the K-Pod only does not seem to consistently change the tuning rate. 
I am looking forward to the firmware upgrade that will allow the K-Pod to have the same tuning rate as the K3S (instead of 1:2 or 1:4).

Happy Thanksgiving!
Marty - N1VH

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Marty,

I don't remember seeing any response to your question so here is what I have found with my KPod:

The K3's tuning rate is determined by VFO CTS, FST and CRS and there are two fine rates (1 Hz and 10 Hz) and a course rate (100 Hz) depending on the FINE/COARSE switch.

So when my CTS is 200, the K3 tunes 200 Hz, 2 kHz and 10 kHz per revolution.

The normal power-on KPod tunes 100 Hz, 1 kHz, and 5 kHz per revolution.  (it divides by 2).

Holding F3 when power-on the KPod tunes 50 Hz, 500 Hz and 2.5 kHz per revolution (divide by 4).


Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com <http://www.ke7x.com/>< <applewebdata://D549D51B-772B-4E3D-AF59-7424E4776F26>http://www.ke7x.com <http://www.ke7x.com/> <http://www.ke7x.com/ <http://www.ke7x.com/>>>

(A macro programming book is coming soon.)




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Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

I installed the latest K-Pod firmware - MCU 1.09.   The release notes state "Adds a power-on feature: if the F3 button is held during power up the K-Pod encoder uses a divide by 4 scaling factor."    I do not notice any difference when powering up holding the F3 button.

What is the 'F3' power-up supposed to do?  I thought it might address the 4X VFO knob speed difference between the K3 and the K-Pod (my K3s VFO is still 4X faster than the K-Pod).

Thanks.

Marty - N1VH


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From fcady at montana.edu  Wed Nov 23 17:14:30 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 22:14:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question
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	<CY1PR0201MB08095935DB19361A4C5500BDAFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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Great.  Glad you found that.

It is interesting that the RIT/XIT is multiplied by two for normal power on and the same for F3 power on.



________________________________
From: Marty Koszewski <mtkoszew at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:10 PM
To: Cady, Fred
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

Hi Fred,
I re-installed the K-Pod and K3S firmware.  The K-Pod is now working as it is supposed to.  I must have had a ?glitch? in the original K-Pod firmware upgrade.  The ?F3? at power up does the correct ?divide by 4?.  The K-Pod now resets itself when I cycle the power on the radio without the need to disconnect the K-Pod.  (My K-Pod is powered through the data port - I did the resistor upgrade to eliminate the need for a power cable).

Thanks again for your help.

Marty - N1VH


On Nov 23, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Cady, Fred <fcady at montana.edu<mailto:fcady at montana.edu>> wrote:

That is interesting.  I have my KPod powered from the K3 12v output so have been turning both off and on so haven't noticed the intermittents.
In any event, the KPod is great!
Cheers,
Fred



________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> on behalf of Marty Koszewski <mtkoszew at gmail.com<mailto:mtkoszew at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:42 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

Hi Fred,
Thank you for your detailed response.  I am able to get my K-Pod to behave as you described.  However, the 'F3 power up' seems to work intermittently.  I must cycle the radio and K-Pod to get the tuning rate change to take place. Re-powering the K-Pod only does not seem to consistently change the tuning rate.
I am looking forward to the firmware upgrade that will allow the K-Pod to have the same tuning rate as the K3S (instead of 1:2 or 1:4).

Happy Thanksgiving!
Marty - N1VH

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Marty,

I don't remember seeing any response to your question so here is what I have found with my KPod:

The K3's tuning rate is determined by VFO CTS, FST and CRS and there are two fine rates (1 Hz and 10 Hz) and a course rate (100 Hz) depending on the FINE/COARSE switch.

So when my CTS is 200, the K3 tunes 200 Hz, 2 kHz and 10 kHz per revolution.

The normal power-on KPod tunes 100 Hz, 1 kHz, and 5 kHz per revolution.  (it divides by 2).

Holding F3 when power-on the KPod tunes 50 Hz, 500 Hz and 2.5 kHz per revolution (divide by 4).


Cheers,

Fred KE7X


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(A macro programming book is coming soon.)




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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 3:18 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod MCU 1.09 'F3 Power Up' Question

I installed the latest K-Pod firmware - MCU 1.09.   The release notes state "Adds a power-on feature: if the F3 button is held during power up the K-Pod encoder uses a divide by 4 scaling factor."    I do not notice any difference when powering up holding the F3 button.

What is the 'F3' power-up supposed to do?  I thought it might address the 4X VFO knob speed difference between the K3 and the K-Pod (my K3s VFO is still 4X faster than the K-Pod).

Thanks.

Marty - N1VH


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From Peter at w2irt.net  Wed Nov 23 17:42:07 2016
From: Peter at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:42:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.
Message-ID: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>

My travel laptop upgraded itself to Windows 10 earlier this summer. I have
had no occasion or reason to fully dismantle my home station to test it out
until today, the day before I leave for CQWW in VE3 but I have a
show-stopper problem that I can't seem to fix.

I have no communication between N1MM+ and the K3S, using the USB cable
supplied by Elecraft. Last year it all worked 100% reliably under Windows 7.
Since the upgrade something has obviously changed. 
When I plug the K3S into the computer a new port shows up in Device manager
(COM-9 in this case). I launch N1MM+ go into the configurer and select COM9,
click SET and, using the same settings that work on my desktop system,
nothing's happening. I'm using 38400, N-8-1, DTR=PTT, RTS=Always Off, Radio
Nr. 1, Foot switch none, radio polling rate Normal. None of the checkboxes
are checked. I have also selected both DTR and RTS to Always off, which has
also worked in the past. Nothing. No CAT control, no CW send, nothing. I'm
completely dead in the water. I am leaving tomorrow morning (Thursday) and
need to get this going or I'm completely sunk.

Like I said, last year it worked 100% on the first try. Today, nothing.
Other than the Windows 7 to Windows 10  forced "upgrade" in July, various
forced patches, etc, and an update to N1MM+ yesterday nothing has been done
to this computer in a year. No new hardware or software. Any help gratefully
appreciated. Please feel free to contact me via my QRZ.com email address as
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT/VE3THX.
 

From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Nov 23 17:53:25 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:53:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 Question about Bandwidth display on P3
Message-ID: <4860e4a5-b528-f61c-54db-584237050395@nk7z.net>

Hello,

I just noticed what may be a bug in the L3/P3 software.

Setup:
1.  Using the K3/P3 combination

2.  Using a macro to change bandwidth launched from the P3, via the 
Elecraft Utility program.

3.  P3 set up to show bandwidth by making the cursor line running 
vertically wider of narrower.

What happens:
While in CW, or SSB, (no other modes tested), if I am at 2.4 KHz 
bandwidth, (and the P3 is showing the correct BW on the screen via the 
width of the cursor), and I initiate a BW change using the Macro Editor 
utility Elecraft provides, using the macro command, "BW00300;", the 
bandwidth changes on the K3, but the display of bandwidth on the P3 does 
not change width.

If I then manually turn the BW control on the K3, no matter how small a 
change, the bandwidth on the P3 then instantly reverts to correctly 
showing the bandwidth.

An example...  I set the bandwidth via the K3, and the bandwidth updates 
fine on the P3, and K3.

I then unleash a single macro as described above, (from the P3 utility 
program), the K3 changes bandwidth correctly, but the P3 does not 
indicate the change, by changing the display cursor width.

If I then launch more BW changing macros of the form BWXXXXX;, from the 
P3 Utility, or from my Genovation Keypad, no changes are shown on the 
P3, with regards to width, while the K3 always goes to the specified 
bandwidth correctly.

If I then just touch the BW knob on the K3 only enough to trigger the 
encoder, (any change, no matter how small) the P3 reverts to the correct 
BW display width.

Discussion:
Has anyone else seen this behavior?  I am pretty sure that when I 
created all of the BW macros for my Genovation keypad, this was not 
happening.  So I think this happened sometime in the last year.

I noticed this while changing bandwidths using my Genovation keypad 
today demoing the K3/P3 to a friend.  I then removed all of the 
Genovation items, and tested again, the problem persists, so it is NOT 
the Genovation keypad.

I suspect this is a bug and will need to be addressed by Elecraft.

-- 
73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Nov 23 18:07:37 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 15:07:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.
In-Reply-To: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
References: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
Message-ID: <A788DA53-1F69-4DFB-BED6-64B1539CFF60@me.com>

Peter;

If you haven?t done so already, I strongly suggest you post this query to the N1MM reflector.
You may get a good response here, but that reflector is the place for N1MM questions, and I?d
bet you will get a quicker response in that forum.

73 & hope to Q in CWWCW!

- Jack, W6FB

> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Peter Dougherty <Peter at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> My travel laptop upgraded itself to Windows 10 earlier this summer. I have
> had no occasion or reason to fully dismantle my home station to test it out
> until today, the day before I leave for CQWW in VE3 but I have a
> show-stopper problem that I can't seem to fix.
> 
> I have no communication between N1MM+ and the K3S, using the USB cable
> supplied by Elecraft. Last year it all worked 100% reliably under Windows 7.
> Since the upgrade something has obviously changed. 
> When I plug the K3S into the computer a new port shows up in Device manager
> (COM-9 in this case). I launch N1MM+ go into the configurer and select COM9,
> click SET and, using the same settings that work on my desktop system,
> nothing's happening. I'm using 38400, N-8-1, DTR=PTT, RTS=Always Off, Radio
> Nr. 1, Foot switch none, radio polling rate Normal. None of the checkboxes
> are checked. I have also selected both DTR and RTS to Always off, which has
> also worked in the past. Nothing. No CAT control, no CW send, nothing. I'm
> completely dead in the water. I am leaving tomorrow morning (Thursday) and
> need to get this going or I'm completely sunk.
> 
> Like I said, last year it worked 100% on the first try. Today, nothing.
> Other than the Windows 7 to Windows 10  forced "upgrade" in July, various
> forced patches, etc, and an update to N1MM+ yesterday nothing has been done
> to this computer in a year. No new hardware or software. Any help gratefully
> appreciated. Please feel free to contact me via my QRZ.com email address as
> well.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT/VE3THX.
> 
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Nov 23 18:10:24 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:10:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 Question about Bandwidth display on P3
Message-ID: <8m1dlnnwpnx4jvgrypb0jbnw.1479942624476@email.android.com>

HiThe command you are using to change the bandwidth is incorrect. It isBWXXXX; not BWXXXXX;You supply bandwidth in 10hz increments. Thus for 300hz you issue BW0030;This is likely the source of your error.I have a bit of experience in programming the K3 and I have found only 4 bugs, that's it. Whether they are bugs or the documentation in wrong is debatable. But the BWXXXX command isn't in error.73 Tomva2fsq.com?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> Date: 2016-11-23  5:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 Question about Bandwidth display on P3 
Hello,

I just noticed what may be a bug in the L3/P3 software.

Setup:
1.? Using the K3/P3 combination

2.? Using a macro to change bandwidth launched from the P3, via the 
Elecraft Utility program.

3.? P3 set up to show bandwidth by making the cursor line running 
vertically wider of narrower.

What happens:
While in CW, or SSB, (no other modes tested), if I am at 2.4 KHz 
bandwidth, (and the P3 is showing the correct BW on the screen via the 
width of the cursor), and I initiate a BW change using the Macro Editor 
utility Elecraft provides, using the macro command, "BW00300;", the 
bandwidth changes on the K3, but the display of bandwidth on the P3 does 
not change width.

If I then manually turn the BW control on the K3, no matter how small a 
change, the bandwidth on the P3 then instantly reverts to correctly 
showing the bandwidth.

An example...? I set the bandwidth via the K3, and the bandwidth updates 
fine on the P3, and K3.

I then unleash a single macro as described above, (from the P3 utility 
program), the K3 changes bandwidth correctly, but the P3 does not 
indicate the change, by changing the display cursor width.

If I then launch more BW changing macros of the form BWXXXXX;, from the 
P3 Utility, or from my Genovation Keypad, no changes are shown on the 
P3, with regards to width, while the K3 always goes to the specified 
bandwidth correctly.

If I then just touch the BW knob on the K3 only enough to trigger the 
encoder, (any change, no matter how small) the P3 reverts to the correct 
BW display width.

Discussion:
Has anyone else seen this behavior?? I am pretty sure that when I 
created all of the BW macros for my Genovation keypad, this was not 
happening.? So I think this happened sometime in the last year.

I noticed this while changing bandwidths using my Genovation keypad 
today demoing the K3/P3 to a friend.? I then removed all of the 
Genovation items, and tested again, the problem persists, so it is NOT 
the Genovation keypad.

I suspect this is a bug and will need to be addressed by Elecraft.

-- 
73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net
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From fcady at montana.edu  Wed Nov 23 18:45:13 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 23:45:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.
In-Reply-To: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
References: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB08095204BAE4AC4874D879E3AFB70@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Make sure CONFIG:RS232 is set to USB????

Cheers,

Fred KE7X'



________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Peter Dougherty <Peter at w2irt.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:42 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.

My travel laptop upgraded itself to Windows 10 earlier this summer. I have
had no occasion or reason to fully dismantle my home station to test it out
until today, the day before I leave for CQWW in VE3 but I have a
show-stopper problem that I can't seem to fix.

I have no communication between N1MM+ and the K3S, using the USB cable
supplied by Elecraft. Last year it all worked 100% reliably under Windows 7.
Since the upgrade something has obviously changed.
When I plug the K3S into the computer a new port shows up in Device manager
(COM-9 in this case). I launch N1MM+ go into the configurer and select COM9,
click SET and, using the same settings that work on my desktop system,
nothing's happening. I'm using 38400, N-8-1, DTR=PTT, RTS=Always Off, Radio
Nr. 1, Foot switch none, radio polling rate Normal. None of the checkboxes
are checked. I have also selected both DTR and RTS to Always off, which has
also worked in the past. Nothing. No CAT control, no CW send, nothing. I'm
completely dead in the water. I am leaving tomorrow morning (Thursday) and
need to get this going or I'm completely sunk.

Like I said, last year it worked 100% on the first try. Today, nothing.
Other than the Windows 7 to Windows 10  forced "upgrade" in July, various
forced patches, etc, and an update to N1MM+ yesterday nothing has been done
to this computer in a year. No new hardware or software. Any help gratefully
appreciated. Please feel free to contact me via my QRZ.com email address as
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT/VE3THX.

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From Peter at w2irt.net  Wed Nov 23 18:49:00 2016
From: Peter at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:49:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.
In-Reply-To: <D5C08F3C-E6ED-4B1E-B1B1-0F0F059E839F@me.com>
References: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
	<A788DA53-1F69-4DFB-BED6-64B1539CFF60@me.com>
	<faf8d7e5c900492fa12e0b79af799fc9@winhexbeus7.winus.mail>
	<D5C08F3C-E6ED-4B1E-B1B1-0F0F059E839F@me.com>
Message-ID: <002801d245e4$2b363ac0$81a2b040$@net>

OK, so I'm halfway there. I have CAT control back--I needed to change the RS-232 setting to USB. However, I am still out of luck in terms of sending keyboard CW via N1MM+. Seems to be a DTS/RTS problem and I?m trying everything. So far I can get the K3s into transmit mode, but no CW gets keyed.

----------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:10 PM
To: Peter Dougherty
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.

Good! I really hope you get this one solved quickly. Be sure to post the response when you do.

And, good luck in the contest! At least we W6s can QSO with you and get points, unlike W6-W2?

73!

Jack, W6FB

> On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Peter Dougherty <Peter at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, also posted to N1MM+ reflector and my local contest club.
> 
> - pjd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:08 PM
> To: Peter Dougherty
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.
> 
> Peter;
> 
> If you haven?t done so already, I strongly suggest you post this query to the N1MM reflector.
> You may get a good response here, but that reflector is the place for N1MM questions, and I?d bet you will get a quicker response in that forum.
> 
> 73 & hope to Q in CWWCW!
> 
> - Jack, W6FB
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Peter Dougherty <Peter at w2irt.net> wrote:
>> 
>> My travel laptop upgraded itself to Windows 10 earlier this summer. I 
>> have had no occasion or reason to fully dismantle my home station to 
>> test it out until today, the day before I leave for CQWW in VE3 but I 
>> have a show-stopper problem that I can't seem to fix.
>> 
>> I have no communication between N1MM+ and the K3S, using the USB 
>> cable supplied by Elecraft. Last year it all worked 100% reliably under Windows 7.
>> Since the upgrade something has obviously changed. 
>> When I plug the K3S into the computer a new port shows up in Device 
>> manager
>> (COM-9 in this case). I launch N1MM+ go into the configurer and 
>> select COM9, click SET and, using the same settings that work on my 
>> desktop system, nothing's happening. I'm using 38400, N-8-1, DTR=PTT, 
>> RTS=Always Off, Radio Nr. 1, Foot switch none, radio polling rate 
>> Normal. None of the checkboxes are checked. I have also selected both 
>> DTR and RTS to Always off, which has also worked in the past. Nothing.
>> No CAT control, no CW send, nothing. I'm completely dead in the water. 
>> I am leaving tomorrow morning (Thursday) and need to get this going or I'm completely sunk.
>> 
>> Like I said, last year it worked 100% on the first try. Today, nothing.
>> Other than the Windows 7 to Windows 10  forced "upgrade" in July, 
>> various forced patches, etc, and an update to N1MM+ yesterday nothing 
>> has been done to this computer in a year. No new hardware or software.
>> Any help gratefully appreciated. Please feel free to contact me via 
>> my QRZ.com email address as well.
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Regards,
>> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT/VE3THX.
>> 
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From keith at kr7rk.com  Wed Nov 23 19:01:11 2016
From: keith at kr7rk.com (Keith Schlottman, KR7RK)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:01:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K30/Mini Audio Level
Message-ID: <CALciXv+xJjOzC7m3k=q_XuaHJoti4JjjrPheg0U_pt0vLOeYfA@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a K30/Mini control head connected over the internet to my home QTH
K3S using RemoteRig boxes.  The audio volume from the K30/Mini is extremely
low.  Apparently the AF knob on the control unit (K30/Mini) does not
control volume, rather it's set by the remote station (K3S).  However it
seems that turning the AF Knob on the remote station has no effect, whether
it's at min or max or anything in between, the audio from the control unit
remains almost too low to hear.

Additionally, I would prefer to have the audio out at the remote station
muted so that my YL does not have to hear it blasting away when I am
remoting in from my office.  Likewise, I would prefer to have a variable
volume level at my office rather than a fixed level that can only be
changed by shutting down.

Am I missing something?  Is there a way to increase/decrease volume levels
from the control head?

Thanks for any help,
Keith KR7RK

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Wed Nov 23 19:01:42 2016
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 00:01:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.
In-Reply-To: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
References: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
Message-ID: <CO2PR16MB0121D905E35D1433B013D970BFB60@CO2PR16MB0121.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,

Maybe something like this could be related to your problem.

I recently lost all my USB ports.  They were dead. I let Windows 10 
check for a better driver
and it said I had the best one.  So I went to the Lenovo website and put 
in my model
and s/n, and it came up with a full screen to have me update the 
driver.  Problem fixed!

The moral of the story is; watch out for drivers.

Dick, n0ce


On 11/23/2016 4:42 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> My travel laptop upgraded itself to Windows 10 earlier this summer. I have
> had no occasion or reason to fully dismantle my home station to test it out
> until today, the day before I leave for CQWW in VE3 but I have a
> show-stopper problem that I can't seem to fix.
>
> I have no communication between N1MM+ and the K3S, using the USB cable
> supplied by Elecraft. Last year it all worked 100% reliably under Windows 7.
> Since the upgrade something has obviously changed.
> When I plug the K3S into the computer a new port shows up in Device manager
> (COM-9 in this case). I launch N1MM+ go into the configurer and select COM9,
> click SET and, using the same settings that work on my desktop system,
> nothing's happening. I'm using 38400, N-8-1, DTR=PTT, RTS=Always Off, Radio
> Nr. 1, Foot switch none, radio polling rate Normal. None of the checkboxes
> are checked. I have also selected both DTR and RTS to Always off, which has
> also worked in the past. Nothing. No CAT control, no CW send, nothing. I'm
> completely dead in the water. I am leaving tomorrow morning (Thursday) and
> need to get this going or I'm completely sunk.
>
> Like I said, last year it worked 100% on the first try. Today, nothing.
> Other than the Windows 7 to Windows 10  forced "upgrade" in July, various
> forced patches, etc, and an update to N1MM+ yesterday nothing has been done
> to this computer in a year. No new hardware or software. Any help gratefully
> appreciated. Please feel free to contact me via my QRZ.com email address as
> well.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT/VE3THX.
>   
>

-- 
  


From k9yeq at live.com  Wed Nov 23 19:19:41 2016
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 00:19:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/N1MM communications failed.
In-Reply-To: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
References: <002301d245da$d2ca5c30$785f1490$@net>
Message-ID: <SC1P152MB1726B2A903E0DEB203CFD3FF9CB60@SC1P152MB1726.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Be sure you allow the program through the firewall.  You can look up the process via internet.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>




On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:42 PM -0600, "Peter Dougherty" <Peter at w2irt.net<mailto:Peter at w2irt.net>> wrote:


My travel laptop upgraded itself to Windows 10 earlier this summer. I have
had no occasion or reason to fully dismantle my home station to test it out
until today, the day before I leave for CQWW in VE3 but I have a
show-stopper problem that I can't seem to fix.

I have no communication between N1MM+ and the K3S, using the USB cable
supplied by Elecraft. Last year it all worked 100% reliably under Windows 7.
Since the upgrade something has obviously changed.
When I plug the K3S into the computer a new port shows up in Device manager
(COM-9 in this case). I launch N1MM+ go into the configurer and select COM9,
click SET and, using the same settings that work on my desktop system,
nothing's happening. I'm using 38400, N-8-1, DTR=PTT, RTS=Always Off, Radio
Nr. 1, Foot switch none, radio polling rate Normal. None of the checkboxes
are checked. I have also selected both DTR and RTS to Always off, which has
also worked in the past. Nothing. No CAT control, no CW send, nothing. I'm
completely dead in the water. I am leaving tomorrow morning (Thursday) and
need to get this going or I'm completely sunk.

Like I said, last year it worked 100% on the first try. Today, nothing.
Other than the Windows 7 to Windows 10  forced "upgrade" in July, various
forced patches, etc, and an update to N1MM+ yesterday nothing has been done
to this computer in a year. No new hardware or software. Any help gratefully
appreciated. Please feel free to contact me via my QRZ.com email address as
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT/VE3THX.

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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Nov 23 20:01:40 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:01:40 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Reported RX Frequencies in WSJT-X?
Message-ID: <201611240102.uAO12AdG029374@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

A little off topic but I observed upper atmosphere Doppler during an 
experiment made with HAARP several years ago.

For those unaware, HAARP is an experimental high altitude scientific 
installation located about 250 miles East of Anchorage, AK.  It was 
built by the Federal Gov't and run by joint USAF/USN Research labs to 
investigate use of high altitude ionospheric effects on long range 
communication.  It was offered for use by the scientific community 
free of charge.

I learned about it in 1998 and wrote the director who happened to be 
a ham.  I wondered if we could try an experiment where the HAARP 
facility irradiated the Ionosphere with high energy HF at 180 million 
watts which causes artificial heating (exciting free electrons in the 
ionosphere and causes structures called FAI = Field Aligned Irregularities).

Our idea was to have a couple 144-MHz eme stations run full power 
pointed at the 90km high area over HAARP while they "heated it", and 
a couple high quality 2m satellite equipped stations attempt to see 
reflections of the 2m signal.  I was one of the receiving 
stations.  We used a precursor to sw like spectran that displays a 
waterfall spectrum.

We could not get any receiving station set up in time in Whitehorse, 
YT so both transmit and receive stations were in southcentral AK (but 
separated by over 100km).  Signals received were backscatter.

Well not only did we see the reflected signal but it displayed 
Doppler indicating high velocity movement in the ionosphere up to 
700mph. That was an unexpected result that had UAF scientist quite 
excited.  Some hams said that all we were seeing was aircraft echoes, 
which it might be.  But the signal started and stopped in direct 
correlation with when HAARP turned on and off their transmission. The 
experiment was repeated in 1999.

This involved about 10-12 AK hams and was published by ARRL, plus I 
was invited to display our experiment results at an Int'l Symposium 
on high altitude physics held in NM.

HAARP consists of 180 HF turnstyle antennas (360 individual dipoles) 
tunable from 2.8-12 MHz with 360 4CX10,000A transmitters each feeding 
its own dipole but able to be phase shifted for steering the beam 
over a 30-degree angle from vertical.  The turnstyle are above a 
ground plane and beam vertically.

HAARP recently passed ownership from USGovt to UofAlaska, so will 
continue upper atmospheric science.

Sorry for the long message but thought maybe of interest.

73, Ed - KL7UW
---------------------------------------------
On 11/23/2016 12:51 PM, Richard Lamont wrote:
 > There are errors at the TX end, errors at the RX end and errors in the
 > middle: ionospheric doppler shift.

Doppler shifts are 1 Hz or less at these frequencies.

Look to rig calibration as the major source.  Many guys don't calibrate
their rigs.  Being 100 Hz off is quite reasonable.

73 de Brian/


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag Business e-mail:
     dubususa at gmail.com 


From ve3iay at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 20:34:30 2016
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:34:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K30/Mini Audio Level
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeH==zZMup4yEH5XoF9HSeTNOMoK=yE8feeF_4USOj4r2Yw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure whether or how the RemoteRig might affect this, not yet having
used it, but is the RemoteRig box connected to the remote radio using the
Line Out jack, rather than the speaker or headphone jack? If so, I believe
the way to control the volume may be by using the CONFIG:LIN OUT setting on
the K3. By default, the Line Out volume is independent of the front panel
AF level control. You can change this by tapping the 1 button while in
CONFIG:LIN OUT to make the Line Out level vary with the AF control
(CONFIG:LIN OUT=PHONES).

The simplest way to mute the speaker on the K3 is to plug headphones into
the headphone jack.

73,
Rich VE3KI


KR7RK wrote:

I've got a K30/Mini control head connected over the internet to my home QTH
K3S using RemoteRig boxes.  The audio volume from the K30/Mini is extremely
low.  Apparently the AF knob on the control unit (K30/Mini) does not
control volume, rather it's set by the remote station (K3S).  However it
seems that turning the AF Knob on the remote station has no effect, whether
it's at min or max or anything in between, the audio from the control unit
remains almost too low to hear.

Additionally, I would prefer to have the audio out at the remote station
muted so that my YL does not have to hear it blasting away when I am
remoting in from my office.  Likewise, I would prefer to have a variable
volume level at my office rather than a fixed level that can only be
changed by shutting down.

Am I missing something?  Is there a way to increase/decrease volume levels
from the control head?

Thanks for any help,
Keith KR7RK

From Peter at w2irt.net  Wed Nov 23 22:59:34 2016
From: Peter at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 22:59:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Saying goodbye to the MicroKeyer?
Message-ID: <008101d24607$2c1a6b50$844f41f0$@net>

Hi all,
Thanks to my recent troubles reconfiguring my K3s for USB CW operation has
given me pause and I was wondering if it's possible to use just a USB cable
for all PC<>K3s interactions.

I do CW, SSB (live and .wav files), FSK-RTTY, a little PSK when needed and a
very little JT-65 on occasion. When I use RTTY, I also like to do
dual-channel receive for pileups. While the MK-II is a great device, it does
increase the complexity of my station somewhat dramatically and I'm
wondering if it's possible or feasible to do everything just via the USB
cable. I'm trying to reduce the complexity of my setup if at all possible.
Should I be pursuing this strategy or does the MK-II and its inherent
complexity offer any significant advantages? Thanks in advance.
 
---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT


Vice President, North Jersey DX Association
DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
 

From lists at subich.com  Wed Nov 23 23:39:43 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 23:39:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Saying goodbye to the MicroKeyer?
In-Reply-To: <008101d24607$2c1a6b50$844f41f0$@net>
References: <008101d24607$2c1a6b50$844f41f0$@net>
Message-ID: <7de5ace4-7423-98ad-d7d0-494c4ec932cc@subich.com>


You can not do FSK RTTY with the single USB cable - period, end of
story.  You also lose the benefits of the K1EL WinKey keyer - the
K3 keyer may be one of the better ones around but it is not supported
by most logging software and even Windows 10 is prone to stuttering
when generating CW.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/23/2016 10:59 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> Hi all,
> Thanks to my recent troubles reconfiguring my K3s for USB CW operation has
> given me pause and I was wondering if it's possible to use just a USB cable
> for all PC<>K3s interactions.
>
> I do CW, SSB (live and .wav files), FSK-RTTY, a little PSK when needed and a
> very little JT-65 on occasion. When I use RTTY, I also like to do
> dual-channel receive for pileups. While the MK-II is a great device, it does
> increase the complexity of my station somewhat dramatically and I'm
> wondering if it's possible or feasible to do everything just via the USB
> cable. I'm trying to reduce the complexity of my setup if at all possible.
> Should I be pursuing this strategy or does the MK-II and its inherent
> complexity offer any significant advantages? Thanks in advance.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
>
>
> Vice President, North Jersey DX Association
> DXCC Card Checker
> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
>
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 23:57:59 2016
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Happy Thanksgiving Day
In-Reply-To: <CAK+fsRUS1hO9Dz6ty=iVZKB+NFae6hxTxF7=k-zrn+nT02s17Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAK+fsRUS1hO9Dz6ty=iVZKB+NFae6hxTxF7=k-zrn+nT02s17Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXtMP672q2UJR9TRGssDyDt1i5_3D-Afa_EEttSMHLZEA@mail.gmail.com>

Ken and I want to wish all of you a Happy Thanksgiving Day.  Enjoy your
family and friends.

88!

Rose Kopp - N7HKW
ElecraftCovers at gmail.com

From w4das at comcast.net  Thu Nov 24 00:12:06 2016
From: w4das at comcast.net (Doug Shields)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 00:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 filter trade?
Message-ID: <030901d24611$4d8ab510$e8a01f30$@comcast.net>

Hello everyone,

      I have an extra 2.8 KHz 8-pole filter for the K3.  I would like to
trade it for a 400 Hz filter for CW.  My 2.8 filter works perfectly.  Anyone
want to trade?

     Otherwise, I would buy a 400 Hz filter if anyone has one they would
part with.  Let me know your price.  

 

Doug  W4DAS



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From donnieput at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 01:34:22 2016
From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 22:34:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3} Setting K3 and WSJT-X levels?
Message-ID: <CA+T3j_UNcMP2Qt0qKXtzrcaFC4N+23JG2wcJWYiyUzPm15fgYA@mail.gmail.com>

I know about how to use the S-meter to set transmit audio level (4 bars).
What I've yet to find anywhere is a discussion on whether to favor the
sound card output or the mic gain. In other words, is it better to have a
lower sound card output and a higher mic gain, or vice versa, or does it
matter? And why?
73 and Happy Thanksgiving!
Don NA6Z

From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Thu Nov 24 07:16:59 2016
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 05:16:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Reported RX Frequncies in WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <583595D7.5010802@comcast.net>
References: <1479899770494-7624182.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<fdf938b2-71bd-dff3-3b4b-21aab3a27538@lamont.me.uk>
	<583595D7.5010802@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1479989819817-7624211.post@n2.nabble.com>

I might take a measure of variability at different frequencies to see if the
range size is correlated to frequency.

Bret/N4SRN



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From lists at subich.com  Thu Nov 24 08:03:25 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3} Setting K3 and WSJT-X levels?
In-Reply-To: <CA+T3j_UNcMP2Qt0qKXtzrcaFC4N+23JG2wcJWYiyUzPm15fgYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2608378d-a96e-e380-e10d-563a7c9c1619@subich.com>


On 11/24/2016 1:34 AM, Don Putnick wrote:
> What I've yet to find anywhere is a discussion on whether to favor
> the sound card output or the mic gain. In other words, is it better
> to have a lower sound card output and a higher mic gain, or vice
> versa, or does it matter? And why?

In general, one would preset the sound card output to between 50 and
75% of maximum and leave it there while adjusting the modulation level
with the LINE IN (mic gain in DATA modes).

Most sound cards start to show some distortion above 75 - 80% of full
output and have a fixed level of output noise that is more noticeable
as the output level decreases.

Adjusting to 50 - 75% of maximum output also generally puts the sound
card level in the "sweet spot" (where rig's the mic/line gain is
between 9:00 and 3:00 or 25-75%) for the K3 and many other rigs.

Except for rigs like the K2, KX2, KX3 that fail to provide a "Line In"
(Patch in), never connect a sound card output directly to the mic jack.
Use the Line/Patch in and always disable the mic input when operating
any audio based data mode.  If you *must* use the mic jack, connect the
sound card to the mic jack through a 20 dB attenuator (for example,
4.7K resistor from the sound card line out to the mic and 470 Ohm
resistor from the transceiver mic input to mic return).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV

On 11/24/2016 1:34 AM, Don Putnick wrote:
> I know about how to use the S-meter to set transmit audio level (4 bars).
> What I've yet to find anywhere is a discussion on whether to favor the
> sound card output or the mic gain. In other words, is it better to have a
> lower sound card output and a higher mic gain, or vice versa, or does it
> matter? And why?
> 73 and Happy Thanksgiving!
> Don NA6Z
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From ve3iay at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 08:23:05 2016
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:23:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3} Setting K3 and WSJT-X levels?
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHkGbtr-7LuiQm-jXn7ULEOgXUqw+4xh33cdecsYokjLXw@mail.gmail.com>

You don't want either control to be too close to either end of its range.

If the sound card level is so high that the gain control in the rig has to
be set to only 1 or 2, the granularity of the rig's control becomes a
problem (e.g. set it to 1 and get zero or one bar, set it to 2 and get six
bars, with no way to reach a setting in between). Also, some sound cards
might become non-linear at or near the top of their control ranges, and too
high an input level into the rig might also cause non-linearity introduced
at the rig end of the link before the level control.

If the sound card level is too low, the granularity issue might appear at
the sound card end, and the signal to noise ratio at the input to the radio
might become a problem. You want the audio signal at the input to the rig
to be well above the level of any hum or noise picked up anywhere along the
way, but not so high that it drives the audio circuits into non-linearity.

Ideally, then, you want the rig's Line In level control to be in a
comfortable range (say 6-10 or so) with the sound card's control somewhere
in the middle of its range.

73,
Rich VE3KI


NA6Z wrote:

I know about how to use the S-meter to set transmit audio level (4 bars).
What I've yet to find anywhere is a discussion on whether to favor the
sound card output or the mic gain. In other words, is it better to have a
lower sound card output and a higher mic gain, or vice versa, or does it
matter? And why?
73 and Happy Thanksgiving!
Don NA6Z

From bhemmis at mac.com  Thu Nov 24 11:36:19 2016
From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:36:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 when powered up generates noise in RX
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-xeHkGbtr-7LuiQm-jXn7ULEOgXUqw+4xh33cdecsYokjLXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-xeHkGbtr-7LuiQm-jXn7ULEOgXUqw+4xh33cdecsYokjLXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB5E70DD-B37B-458D-9BE1-7A38BC017385@mac.com>

I searched online but couldn?t find an answer to this. Perhaps someone in the group has a suggestion. 
When powering up the KAT500 tuner (used with KPA500) the static level on my Icom 7300 raises to as much as 7 S units of a pulsing ignition-like sounding noise. At first I thought it was a noisy wall wart but tried several and no difference. Then wired it directly to my Astron supply with the same noisy results. The problem is worse on 6 meters but still apparent on the lower bands.
Any thoughts on a fix for this ?
73, Brian K3USC


From tomdon92 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 11:59:57 2016
From: tomdon92 at gmail.com (Thomas Donohue)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:59:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple rig control and logging using a single Macbook
	Pro
Message-ID: <7FEC4C3B-0198-4A59-9217-C6924BF425A1@gmail.com>

Hi to all:

I posted the following on the MacloggerDX site and got a partial response, so thought I would try here also.

I have been using a Macbook Pro running the El Captan operating system and the MacloggerDX program for rig control and logging of a K3 for several years now and all is working FB. I?m in the process of adding two new rigs to the shack, a Yaesu FTdx 3000 and a K3S. I intend to use MacloggerDX and a single Macbook Pro for rig control and logging on all three rigs. Adding the FTdx 3000 in preferences on MacloggerDX seems to be pretty straight forward and foresee no problems there; however, adding the K3S in preferences, which will use the same utility as the K3 could be problematic. I should also mention that both the K3 and K3S have attached, identical P3 pan-adaptors, which also have a separate utility., How do I distinguish between the K3/P3 and K3S/P3 utilities in MacloggerDX? Or, do I use the same utilities for the both the K3/P3 and K3S/P3? Has anyone in the group traveled this road before and if you have, how did you handle the rigs and software? Any thoughts, help and/or guidance would be appreciated.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Best 73,
Tom/W1QU

From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Nov 24 12:27:48 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:27:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday & Weekend Sale
Message-ID: <319cfcfa-528a-3b3d-af84-0b536b9e0735@elecraft.com>

We'll, we have finally given in to the Black Friday Sale hysteria.. ;-)

The Elecraft Black Friday Sale begins 11/24/16 (today) and ends at midnight 
(PST) on Monday night, 11/28/16.

You can get the details at:
http://www.elecraft.com/BlackFridaySale.htm

Our order form also has the K3S Bundle special Discounts and Black Friday Specials

Our Black Friday special includes free ground shipping in North America for our 
Black Friday specials and for our K3S Bundle specials. (We'll adjust the 
shipping after checkout and will email you the adjusted cost.)

The Black Friday Banner also shows at the top of our main page at 
http://elecraft.com
Our order form now has the K3S Bundle special Discounts and Black Friday Specials
(You may need to refresh your browser page to see the new page versions.)

Enjoy!

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/


From n1ho at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 24 12:49:26 2016
From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple rig control and logging using a single
 Macbook	Pro
In-Reply-To: <7FEC4C3B-0198-4A59-9217-C6924BF425A1@gmail.com>
References: <7FEC4C3B-0198-4A59-9217-C6924BF425A1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1950805817.1474625.1480009766157@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm running a mid-2015 MacBook Pro, but have just one K3 and one P3.However, I do have a powered USB hub to which I've attached an externalsound card (Asus Xonar U5) and three serial lines. The one cute thing aboutthose serial lines (which use the "real" FTDI FT232R devices) is that theyeach display a unique serial number, which can be viewed under the USBDevice Tree page under System Information which you dive into from the"About This Mac" GUI by going to "System Report". I've found that to bevery useful for troubleshooting, because I don't have to sort out device namesin "/dev", etc. (The 3 serial lines are for the K3, a Trimble ThunderboltGPSDO, and a Kantronics KPC3+, all of which run at different speeds).
I typically run WSJT-X under MacOS (Sierra, 10.12.1) using the K3's serial lineand the Xonar, but I can also run RUMlog and Fldigi. But, occasionally, I'll bootWindows 10 (under Parallels 12.1.1) to run HRD, Lady Heather, Winlink, Outpostand/or EZNEC+. I usually maintain the K3/P3 firmware using the usual utilitiesunder MacOS, but I can also do them under Windows if need be. Note that theP3 and the K3 utilities *do* allow you to select (under "Port") which serial lineyou wish to use. I don't know anything about MacloggerDX.
As I mentioned above, I am using an externally powered USB2 hub becauseI need to power the Xonar. I had a fair number of problems stabilizing thisconfiguration under Windows (7, then 10) because the GPSDO runs at 4800 baudand Windows insisted it was a USB mouse. I alleviated it by rebooting Windows,sometimes 2 or 3 times in a row. Although the MacBook Pro is USB3 and the USB3spec stipulates that a USB3 port must supply more than enough current to supportthe U3 (I forget the exact numbers off the top of my head), it still didn't solve theproblem of multiple serial lines, coupled with the fact that the backup drive isattached directly to the (only) other USB port. One trick is to mark the cables carefullyand keep them in the same physical USB hub slots. Another is to avoid hot plugging,which despite manufacturers' propaganda WILL blow hubs; I keep a spare handy.
HTH, and 73 for a Happy Thanksgiving,
Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO

From cyaffey at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 12:59:33 2016
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:59:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KPA500 utility program ptoblems
Message-ID: <031DD09A-6F50-4693-AA99-36D4B8AC384B@gmail.com>

My current setup is K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500
I recently replaced my K3 with the K3S. I was able to run all the utilities with no problem when I had the K3. 
Now, the K3S and P3 utilities are fine. But not so withe the KAT and KPA ones.
Both take several minutes to come up and run.

KAT500 utility: can?t connect (KAT500 not responding)

KPA500 utility: connects at 38400 no problem but no info shows in the operate tab. firmware N/A. I try to load firmware and it fails. I tried to force a load (per the manual) with no luck.

More info:
The K3 is set to USB.
The computer is an Apple mac mini with the latest OS.
I?ve refreshed the ports before trying to connect.
I?ve tried rebooting, unplugging  and replugging the USB cables.
I?ve checked all the cable connections.

Note that all units are operating OK except:
On 6 meters, the KPA faults when trying to run more than 200 watts. 
It used to work fine when I had a K3 driving it.

Any suggestions?
TNX and 73,
Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com
http://www.bluesswing.com










From edauer at law.du.edu  Thu Nov 24 13:49:16 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:49:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Firmware Download Problem
Message-ID: <E034290E-C862-41E3-BF5F-CCF1D31934A0@law.du.edu>

The latest production F/W revision for the KXPA is 1.35.  The KXPA utility, however, which correctly notes that 1.35 is available, will not download it for me.  I get the message ?Your folder has the most recent . . .?  But what I have is 1.32.

Version 1.35 requires the latest KXPA utility, which I believe I also have ? rev. 1.14.4.11 (for Mac OSX).  In any case that?s the most recent version listed on the Elecraft site.

Any ideas about what I might be doing wrong ? or what I can do to download 1.35?

Thanks in advance.

Ted, KN1CBR


From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 14:10:47 2016
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:10:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHsRBKm1Tn0WE1tq5nTWSj5vAxQG_BYUT6hgfo4m1ff8fA@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I would share the following.  I have been using a narrow gaming
keyboard for years now and really like it.  It has cherry mechanical keys
and nice options on the back lighting.  The real reason for the post here
is related to my K-Pod and the positioning of the K-Pod in relation to the
keyboard in my paddle.  Plus, I found these huge mouse pads online for a
very reasonable price.  They are 32" x 24".  I hate table edges against my
wrist when keying the paddle and using the mouse, not to mention using the
K-Pod as near to the keyboard as possible.  I'm pretty happy with the two
big mouse pads which solve the movement of the paddle too etc...

The big mouse pads were found on the shopping site that nobody can live
without these days... search for 'Large gaming mouse pad'.  I found some
big ones on usual auction site too, but they were wider and not as deep.

Anyway, here are the pictures if you want to take a look at the layout with
the narrow keyboard and the K-Pod / Paddle etc...

http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/NG7M/Elecraft/K-Pod/

Happy Thanksgiving!

Max NG7M

-- 
M. George

From dflem at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 24 14:11:41 2016
From: dflem at yahoo.com (David Fleming)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 19:11:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Firmware Download Problem
In-Reply-To: <E034290E-C862-41E3-BF5F-CCF1D31934A0@law.du.edu>
References: <E034290E-C862-41E3-BF5F-CCF1D31934A0@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <1388653738.30669.1480014701952@mail.yahoo.com>

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  If the Utility shows 1.35 is "Available", then it has already been downloaded. You just need to send it to the KXPA.
David, W4SMT


On Thursday, November 24, 2016, 1:49 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

The latest production F/W revision for the KXPA is 1.35.? The KXPA utility, however, which correctly notes that 1.35 is available, will not download it for me.? I get the message ?Your folder has the most recent . . .?? But what I have is 1.32.

Version 1.35 requires the latest KXPA utility, which I believe I also have ? rev. 1.14.4.11 (for Mac OSX).? In any case that?s the most recent version listed on the Elecraft site.

Any ideas about what I might be doing wrong ? or what I can do to download 1.35?


 


From k9ma at sdellington.us  Thu Nov 24 15:06:25 2016
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:06:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Paddle Wiring
Message-ID: <f983ee02-572c-2b0a-ce2d-92511a0b1e6d@sdellington.us>

When I built my KX1, I discovered that the paddle (KXPD1) was wired so 
the default setting was that the paddle was pressed to the LEFT for 
dits, just the opposite of the way bugs have always been made, and the 
way most people wire their paddles, as far as I can tell.  I'm 
left-handed, but I learned to sent with a bug (some 50 years ago), so I 
just re-wired the KXPD1 so I don't have to keep changing from the 
default setting.  Now, rumor has it that both Eric and Wayne are 
lefties.  Could this be the explanation for the KXPD1 wiring?

73,

Scott  K9MA

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From kevin at k4vd.net  Thu Nov 24 15:14:52 2016
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:14:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
In-Reply-To: <CAFYRpHsRBKm1Tn0WE1tq5nTWSj5vAxQG_BYUT6hgfo4m1ff8fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFYRpHsRBKm1Tn0WE1tq5nTWSj5vAxQG_BYUT6hgfo4m1ff8fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujt-+3UXp3axu6XiANRVGaMXyzEJrn-kVENddJ-a=88ajw@mail.gmail.com>

?I enjoy shack shots and this batch was great Max. I particularly liked the
1899 photo.

I don't have a K-pod but something similar for my Flex setup (FlexRemote).
I keep it on the left side so I can keep my right hand on the key or mouse.

Kev, K4VD

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Nov 24 15:17:36 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3} Setting K3 and WSJT-X levels?
In-Reply-To: <CA+T3j_UNcMP2Qt0qKXtzrcaFC4N+23JG2wcJWYiyUzPm15fgYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+T3j_UNcMP2Qt0qKXtzrcaFC4N+23JG2wcJWYiyUzPm15fgYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD31EE46-776A-447F-80EB-5DF2CBEB3B4F@widomaker.com>

I find the following to work for me. 

Set computer output level to about 50%. Now check radio ALC with K3(s) in TEST mode. Observe adjustment of rig to 4bars solid and fifth flashing. If computer is too high, you wind up with 7 bars or none. If ALC setting is low like 2-5, you usually can't get it to be right. 

Lower computer output and check again. I keep setting computer lower until I can set the ALC easily.  May be 20-30%. But this works for me on K3 and K3S, and KX3. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 1:34 AM, Don Putnick <donnieput at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know about how to use the S-meter to set transmit audio level (4 bars).
> What I've yet to find anywhere is a discussion on whether to favor the
> sound card output or the mic gain. In other words, is it better to have a
> lower sound card output and a higher mic gain, or vice versa, or does it
> matter? And why?
> 73 and Happy Thanksgiving!
> Don NA6Z
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Thu Nov 24 16:14:39 2016
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:14:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Paddle Wiring
In-Reply-To: <f983ee02-572c-2b0a-ce2d-92511a0b1e6d@sdellington.us>
References: <f983ee02-572c-2b0a-ce2d-92511a0b1e6d@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <669A91EC-A0E1-482F-BAE4-ECDB806ECFEA@socket.net>

Naw...

It's a simple menu choice totally unrelated to wiring or the owners' genetics.  Page 65, menu item INP.  Set it anyway you want. 

73,

Kent  K9ZTV


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 2:06 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
> 
> When I built my KX1, I discovered that the paddle (KXPD1) was wired so the default setting was that the paddle was pressed to the LEFT for dits, just the opposite of the way bugs have always been made, and the way most people wire their paddles, as far as I can tell.  I'm left-handed, but I learned to sent with a bug (some 50 years ago), so I just re-wired the KXPD1 so I don't have to keep changing from the default setting.  Now, rumor has it that both Eric and Wayne are lefties.  Could this be the explanation for the KXPD1 wiring?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Scott  K9MA
> 
> -- 
> Scott  K9MA
> 
> k9ma at sdellington.us
> 
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From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Nov 24 16:35:36 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:35:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Paddle Wiring
In-Reply-To: <f983ee02-572c-2b0a-ce2d-92511a0b1e6d@sdellington.us>
References: <f983ee02-572c-2b0a-ce2d-92511a0b1e6d@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <000a01d2469a$b232b060$16981120$@biz>

Hello Scott:

It depends upon which way you have the paddles "pointed", to the left or to
the right. That reverses the dot and dash paddles. 

To get the dot and dash functions on the desired paddles once you have them
positioned as you like, just enter the MENU and select INP, then choose
between PDn or PDr (normal or reversed). 

No wiring changes needed. 

73 Ron 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9MA
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:06 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Paddle Wiring

When I built my KX1, I discovered that the paddle (KXPD1) was wired so the
default setting was that the paddle was pressed to the LEFT for dits, just
the opposite of the way bugs have always been made, and the way most people
wire their paddles, as far as I can tell.  I'm left-handed, but I learned to
sent with a bug (some 50 years ago), so I just re-wired the KXPD1 so I don't
have to keep changing from the default setting.  Now, rumor has it that both
Eric and Wayne are lefties.  Could this be the explanation for the KXPD1
wiring?

73,

Scott  K9MA

--
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k9ma at sdellington.us

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From mike at k5ux.com  Thu Nov 24 18:24:27 2016
From: mike at k5ux.com (Mike Gusky)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:24:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: KX3 PX3 KXPA(AT)
Message-ID: <1480029867686-7624226.post@n2.nabble.com>

Selling my KX3 line. All 3 pieces are factory assembled and in excellent
condition. The KX3 (7xxx s/n) includes the dual passband roofing filter.
Also included are the cable kits KPACCL and KX3-PCK. Comes with the XG50
freq standard and 2 Nifty stands for the KX3 and PX3. Non-smoking
environment and never portable. I will not split the package. $2200 plus
shipping. No trades.

Mike
K5UX



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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Thu Nov 24 19:54:52 2016
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:54:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Paddle Wiring
In-Reply-To: <000a01d2469a$b232b060$16981120$@biz>
References: <f983ee02-572c-2b0a-ce2d-92511a0b1e6d@sdellington.us>
	<000a01d2469a$b232b060$16981120$@biz>
Message-ID: <dbc0b326-e2b2-cbf9-a752-4d77e67fc2c6@sdellington.us>

Duh, if I'd just thought about it for a second, I'd have realized that 
rotating the paddle swapped sides. And, of course, I never tried it in 
the right-handed position. I suppose some lefties send that way (dots 
with thumb), but I don't.

I know about the menu item, of course, but I got tired of changing it 
every time I reset, or something.  If I ever sell it, I'll gladly rewire 
the paddle back.

73,

Scott  K9MA



On 11/24/2016 15:35, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Hello Scott:
>
> It depends upon which way you have the paddles "pointed", to the left or to
> the right. That reverses the dot and dash paddles.
>
> To get the dot and dash functions on the desired paddles once you have them
> positioned as you like, just enter the MENU and select INP, then choose
> between PDn or PDr (normal or reversed).
>
> No wiring changes needed.
>
> 73 Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9MA
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:06 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Paddle Wiring
>
> When I built my KX1, I discovered that the paddle (KXPD1) was wired so the
> default setting was that the paddle was pressed to the LEFT for dits, just
> the opposite of the way bugs have always been made, and the way most people
> wire their paddles, as far as I can tell.  I'm left-handed, but I learned to
> sent with a bug (some 50 years ago), so I just re-wired the KXPD1 so I don't
> have to keep changing from the default setting.  Now, rumor has it that both
> Eric and Wayne are lefties.  Could this be the explanation for the KXPD1
> wiring?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott  K9MA
>
> --
> Scott  K9MA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 24 19:59:40 2016
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 00:59:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
Message-ID: <YTOPR01MB0028119492EAFDB3BB43696B91890@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I went online this evening to order some items for the Black Friday price. It says free shipping in North America but in the checkout I am being charged 46.00 for shipping? I'm in Canada and that's North America so how is the shipping free?? 
Mike 
VE3WDM 

From john at kk9a.com  Thu Nov 24 21:06:03 2016
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 21:06:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Black Friday
Message-ID: <000901d246c0$7a694470$6f3bcd50$@com>

I think that they will adjust your shipping charge when your order is
processed. The following is shown on the Elecraft website under Black Friday
Sale: "Free Ground Shipping on these items anwhere [sic] in North America.
Shipping cost will be reduced at the factory after order is placed"  

John KK9A

From: Mike Weir ve3wdm

I went online this evening to order some items for the Black Friday price.
It says free shipping in North America but in the checkout I am being
charged 46.00 for shipping? I'm in Canada and that's North America so how is
the shipping free?? 
Mike 
VE3WDM


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Nov 24 21:29:06 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 21:29:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
In-Reply-To: <000901d246c0$7a694470$6f3bcd50$@com>
References: <000901d246c0$7a694470$6f3bcd50$@com>
Message-ID: <558D23FE-4E5F-47A7-902D-99C9567FF597@widomaker.com>

Read the whole email from Eric.  Freight will be adjusted later but you won't be charged. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:06 PM, <john at kk9a.com> <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
> 
> I think that they will adjust your shipping charge when your order is
> processed. The following is shown on the Elecraft website under Black Friday
> Sale: "Free Ground Shipping on these items anwhere [sic] in North America.
> Shipping cost will be reduced at the factory after order is placed"  
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> From: Mike Weir ve3wdm
> 
> I went online this evening to order some items for the Black Friday price.
> It says free shipping in North America but in the checkout I am being
> charged 46.00 for shipping? I'm in Canada and that's North America so how is
> the shipping free?? 
> Mike 
> VE3WDM
> 
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 22:00:31 2016
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] One problem solved. A new one appears.
Message-ID: <1120EC53-06BD-466D-9432-72F5B4974AFF@gmail.com>

I recently posted:

> KAT500 utility: can?t connect (KAT500 not responding)
> 
> KPA500 utility: connects at 38400 no problem but no info shows in the operate tab. firmware N/A. I try to load firmware and it fails. I tried to force a load (per the manual) with no luck.

I solved this by plugging in the cables one at a time. All utilities working fine now.

New problem:

On 6 meters, with the input power to the KPA500 around 7 watts, I get 200 watts out. But as I increase the input power, the SWR increases and a ?hi swr? fault occurs. This happens with 3 different antennas: a 3 el beam, an R8 vertical, and a dipole. All are tuned to low swr via my KAT500.
I have tried connected the beam directly to the KPA with the same result. 
This only happens on 6 meters. It used to work fine when I had a K3. I now have a K3S. Is there some setting in either the K3S or the KPA that I should change?



Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com
http://www.bluesswing.com










From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 22:28:41 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] One problem solved. A new one appears.
In-Reply-To: <1120EC53-06BD-466D-9432-72F5B4974AFF@gmail.com>
References: <1120EC53-06BD-466D-9432-72F5B4974AFF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc0dywSXCuNmZwOUL=4BVcqAQVW8=6FYN06G2JuGnr+rQg@mail.gmail.com>

I would guess that you have a piece of coax and/or connector going bad.
Will be something common in the path from amp to antennas, including a
remote coax switch. Something is arcing

Cables and connectors are forever going bad. Especially the ones we've used
forever and just keep reusing because they're a convenient length. Most
likely something mechanical, too much bending for too many years, etc.

73, Guy K2AV


On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently posted:
>
> > KAT500 utility: can?t connect (KAT500 not responding)
> >
> > KPA500 utility: connects at 38400 no problem but no info shows in the
> operate tab. firmware N/A. I try to load firmware and it fails. I tried to
> force a load (per the manual) with no luck.
>
> I solved this by plugging in the cables one at a time. All utilities
> working fine now.
>
> New problem:
>
> On 6 meters, with the input power to the KPA500 around 7 watts, I get 200
> watts out. But as I increase the input power, the SWR increases and a ?hi
> swr? fault occurs. This happens with 3 different antennas: a 3 el beam, an
> R8 vertical, and a dipole. All are tuned to low swr via my KAT500.
> I have tried connected the beam directly to the KPA with the same result.
> This only happens on 6 meters. It used to work fine when I had a K3. I now
> have a K3S. Is there some setting in either the K3S or the KPA that I
> should change?
>
>
>
> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
> Recording studio.
> cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com
> 614 268 6353, Columbus OH
> http://www.carl-yaffey.com
> http://www.grassahol.com
> http://www.bluesswing.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From htodd at twofifty.com  Thu Nov 24 22:55:56 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 19:55:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
In-Reply-To: <558D23FE-4E5F-47A7-902D-99C9567FF597@widomaker.com>
References: <000901d246c0$7a694470$6f3bcd50$@com>
	<558D23FE-4E5F-47A7-902D-99C9567FF597@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.20.99.1611241955280.23720@chris.i8u.org>

Wow, another email from Elecraft that never reaches me. I never get the
firmware announcements either.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016, Nr4c wrote:

> Read the whole email from Eric.  Freight will be adjusted later but you won't be charged.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:06 PM, <john at kk9a.com> <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think that they will adjust your shipping charge when your order is
>> processed. The following is shown on the Elecraft website under Black Friday
>> Sale: "Free Ground Shipping on these items anwhere [sic] in North America.
>> Shipping cost will be reduced at the factory after order is placed"
>>
>> John KK9A
>>
>> From: Mike Weir ve3wdm
>>
>> I went online this evening to order some items for the Black Friday price.
>> It says free shipping in North America but in the checkout I am being
>> charged 46.00 for shipping? I'm in Canada and that's North America so how is
>> the shipping free??
>> Mike
>> VE3WDM
>>
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From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Nov 24 23:18:57 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 20:18:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.20.99.1611241955280.23720@chris.i8u.org>
References: <000901d246c0$7a694470$6f3bcd50$@com>	<558D23FE-4E5F-47A7-902D-99C9567FF597@widomaker.com>
	<alpine.NEB.2.20.99.1611241955280.23720@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <001e01d246d3$0ad4aec0$207e0c40$@biz>

The sale runs through Nov 28, so you still have time.

73, Ron AC7AC 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Hisashi T Fujinaka
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Nr4c
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Black Friday

Wow, another email from Elecraft that never reaches me. I never get the
firmware announcements either.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016, Nr4c wrote:

> Read the whole email from Eric.  Freight will be adjusted later but you
won't be charged.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:06 PM, <john at kk9a.com> <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think that they will adjust your shipping charge when your order is 
>> processed. The following is shown on the Elecraft website under Black 
>> Friday
>> Sale: "Free Ground Shipping on these items anwhere [sic] in North
America.
>> Shipping cost will be reduced at the factory after order is placed"
>>
>> John KK9A
>>
>> From: Mike Weir ve3wdm
>>
>> I went online this evening to order some items for the Black Friday
price.
>> It says free shipping in North America but in the checkout I am being 
>> charged 46.00 for shipping? I'm in Canada and that's North America so 
>> how is the shipping free??
>> Mike
>> VE3WDM
>>
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 25 00:37:46 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 21:37:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR01MB0028119492EAFDB3BB43696B91890@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR01MB0028119492EAFDB3BB43696B91890@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <95E7746E-EDED-48DA-9E50-543692242474@elecraft.com>

Hi Mike,

We noted with the Black Friday and K3S Bundle specials on the order form that those items would get free ground shipping to North America and that we would adjust out the shipping for those items when the order came in. (We do not charge the credit cards until we double check the orders.) 

We will email you the final total next week after we return from the holiday. (The factory is closed Thursday and Friday and we will be back in action on Monday.)

Yup, Canada is still in North America. ;-)

73,
Eric
elecraft.com
_..._

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Mike Weir <ve3wdm at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I went online this evening to order some items for the Black Friday price. It says free shipping in North America but in the checkout I am being charged 46.00 for shipping? I'm in Canada and that's North America so how is the shipping free?? 
> Mike 
> VE3WDM 
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Fri Nov 25 00:39:58 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 05:39:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Firmware Download Problem
In-Reply-To: <22784157-9B59-411C-BE69-1A9EAFE7B752@elecraft.com>
References: <E034290E-C862-41E3-BF5F-CCF1D31934A0@law.du.edu>
	<000d01d24685$0b29d010$217d7030$@elecraft.com>
	<9DBB30C3-B8BE-4716-8BDA-276BCBC1798B@law.du.edu>
	<22784157-9B59-411C-BE69-1A9EAFE7B752@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CB1E2A55-18BD-4933-90ED-8C904E93A62E@law.du.edu>

Dick and David  --

Thanks for your good counsel; I do appreciate your taking the time to help.

I?ve solved the problem but in a way that defies explanation.

On a hunch I decided to reload the F/W in the KX3.  I know that was up to date, but because I use the KXPA PC connection to connect the KXUSB to the computer for both the KXPA and the KX3, I thought  . . . well, it can?t hurt.  But momentarily it did hurt.  Trying to reload the KX3 F/W with the KX3 Utility resulted in a hang up.  Unable to shut down without removing a battery, and then experiencing a continuing hangup even after the manual?s suggested restart.  Multiple times - the Utility reported no communication between the computer and the KX3.  So, on another hunch (or out of desperation) I unplugged and reseated everything and then I reloaded the KX3 utility ? even though the one I had on board is the latest.  Did that; tried the F/W reload on the KX3; and that worked.  Then back to the KXPA Utility, tried to download the new F/W rev for the amp ? and that worked!

And people say the business I?m in is mysterious and arcane . . . .

Many thanks.  Hope you had a great holiday.  See you in the CQWW CW.  I?ll be on with an updated KX3 and KXPA.

Ted, KN1CBR

Edward A. Dauer,  LL.B.  M.P.H.
Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
University of Denver


From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 25 00:45:34 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 21:45:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
In-Reply-To: <000901d246c0$7a694470$6f3bcd50$@com>
References: <000901d246c0$7a694470$6f3bcd50$@com>
Message-ID: <AF507D31-4E48-4C9E-9BA6-57E3C67DDD2F@elecraft.com>

John,

Nice catch. Typo fixed!

(anwhere --> anywhere)

73,

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:06 PM, <john at kk9a.com> <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
> 
> I think that they will adjust your shipping charge when your order is
> processed. The following is shown on the Elecraft website under Black Friday
> Sale: "Free Ground Shipping on these items anwhere [sic] in North America.
> Shipping cost will be reduced at the factory after order is placed"  
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> From: Mike Weir ve3wdm
> 
> I went online this evening to order some items for the Black Friday price.
> It says free shipping in North America but in the checkout I am being
> charged 46.00 for shipping? I'm in Canada and that's North America so how is
> the shipping free?? 
> Mike 
> VE3WDM
> 
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From timk9wx at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 06:36:53 2016
From: timk9wx at gmail.com (Tim Gennett)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 06:36:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=8B_Re=3A_Narrow_Gaming_Keyboard_and_G?=
	=?utf-8?q?iant_Mouse_Pads_-_K-Pod?=
Message-ID: <CAJc0o=8YazVg3GVXJSisR7UbxsQDSVksR-=3eV8tywi3PVRv8A@mail.gmail.com>

?What is the make and model of the keyboard?  I can't see any? brand or
model markings in the pictures.

Thanks

Tim K9WX


From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Mailer <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:10:47 -0700
> Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
> I thought I would share the following.  I have been using a narrow gaming
> keyboard for years now and really like it.  It has cherry mechanical keys
> and nice options on the back lighting.  The real reason for the post here
> is related to my K-Pod and the positioning of the K-Pod in relation to the
> keyboard in my paddle.  Plus, I found these huge mouse pads online for a
> very reasonable price.  They are 32" x 24".  I hate table edges against my
> wrist when keying the paddle and using the mouse, not to mention using the
> K-Pod as near to the keyboard as possible.  I'm pretty happy with the two
> big mouse pads which solve the movement of the paddle too etc...
>
> The big mouse pads were found on the shopping site that nobody can live
> without these days... search for 'Large gaming mouse pad'.  I found some
> big ones on usual auction site too, but they were wider and not as deep.
>
> Anyway, here are the pictures if you want to take a look at the layout with
> the narrow keyboard and the K-Pod / Paddle etc...
>
> http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/NG7M/Elecraft/K-Pod/
>
> Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> Max NG7M
>
> --
> M. George
>
>
>
>

From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Nov 25 06:45:54 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 03:45:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Repost with correction: P3 Not updating bandwidth on
	display
Message-ID: <c0d57f6c-70b3-7a1e-d6bc-22ae6c261799@nk7z.net>

Hello,

I just noticed what may be a bug in the L3/P3 software.

Setup:
1.  Using the K3/P3 combination

2.  Using a macro to change bandwidth launched from the P3, via the
Elecraft Utility program.

3.  P3 set up to show bandwidth by making the cursor line running
vertically wider of narrower.

What happens:
While in CW, or SSB, (no other modes tested), if I am at 2.4 KHz
bandwidth, (and the P3 is showing the correct BW on the screen via the
width of the cursor), and I initiate a BW change using the Macro Editor
utility Elecraft provides, the bandwidth changes on the K3, but the 
display of bandwidth on the P3 does not change width.

If I then manually turn the BW control on the K3, no matter how small a
change, the bandwidth on the P3 then instantly reverts to correctly
showing the bandwidth.

An example...  I set the bandwidth via the K3, and the bandwidth updates
fine on the P3, and K3.

I then unleash a single macro as described above, (from the P3 utility
program), the K3 changes bandwidth correctly, but the P3 does not
indicate the change, by changing the display cursor width.

If I then launch more BW changing macros from the P3 Utility, or from my 
Genovation Keypad, no changes are shown on the P3, with regards to 
width, while the K3 always goes to the specified bandwidth correctly.

If I then just touch the BW knob on the K3 only enough to trigger the
encoder, (any change, no matter how small) the P3 reverts to the correct 
BW display width.

Discussion:
Has anyone else seen this behavior?  I am pretty sure that when I
created all of the BW macros for my Genovation keypad, this was not
happening.  So I think this started sometime in the last year.

I noticed this while changing bandwidths using my Genovation keypad
today demoing the K3/P3 to a friend.  I then removed all of the
Genovation items, and tested again, the problem persists, so it is NOT
the Genovation keypad.
-- 
73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 07:54:26 2016
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 05:54:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=8B_Re=3A_Narrow_Gaming_Keyboard_and_G?=
	=?utf-8?q?iant_Mouse_Pads_-_K-Pod?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJc0o=8YazVg3GVXJSisR7UbxsQDSVksR-=3eV8tywi3PVRv8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJc0o=8YazVg3GVXJSisR7UbxsQDSVksR-=3eV8tywi3PVRv8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHufSa7KAqdxr7He0oYDBQyJ8ZAfxf2wTG_VMKdb_vDr4g@mail.gmail.com>

The keyboard is a CM Storm QuickFire Rapid - Tenkeyless Mechanical Gaming
Keyboard with Cherry Switches.  These are very popular keyboards and are
still available in several different models, however there are many other
manufacturers that sell the same size / style of keyboard, with or without
cherry brand mechanical keys.  Search on Amazon as a starting point.

If back lighting is important to you, make sure and search for one that has
back lighting. Since I bought mine there are some keyboards out there now
that let you control the lighting on a key by key basis... Also, know that
the mechanical cherry keys have a very distinctive click based on the
version of the Cherry switches. Here is a good gaming article that
describes the different cherry keys and how each version (color type) is
different.  i.e. Red, Blue, Brown Cherry switch types
<http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-keyboard-and-why-you-511140347>
.

Keyboards with cherry switches won't be inexpensive.  Expect to pay
$60-$100+ if you want cherry switches in a keyboard.  Plus, do the research
and know what to expect on the feel and sound of the keys.  You might drive
your XYL crazy typing on a cherry switch keyboard! ;)

Again, other keyboards with the same form factor are out there with the
typical contact membrane key style, that is nearly silent... and mushy...
however, they can be had for $15-25.

Just to  be clear, I obviously do not have any vested interest in the
cherry switch based keyboards.  I just like them and love the tactile feel
and positive feedback you get from the keys.  The narrow width was critical
too in my case... less hand movement between the keyboard at the K-Pod,
Paddle and mouse.

Max NG7M



On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com> wrote:

> ?What is the make and model of the keyboard?  I can't see any? brand or
> model markings in the pictures.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim K9WX
>
>
> From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
> > To: Elecraft Mailer <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Cc:
> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:10:47 -0700
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
> > I thought I would share the following.  I have been using a narrow gaming
> > keyboard for years now and really like it.  It has cherry mechanical keys
> > and nice options on the back lighting.  The real reason for the post here
> > is related to my K-Pod and the positioning of the K-Pod in relation to
> the
> > keyboard in my paddle.  Plus, I found these huge mouse pads online for a
> > very reasonable price.  They are 32" x 24".  I hate table edges against
> my
> > wrist when keying the paddle and using the mouse, not to mention using
> the
> > K-Pod as near to the keyboard as possible.  I'm pretty happy with the two
> > big mouse pads which solve the movement of the paddle too etc...
> >
> > The big mouse pads were found on the shopping site that nobody can live
> > without these days... search for 'Large gaming mouse pad'.  I found some
> > big ones on usual auction site too, but they were wider and not as deep.
> >
> > Anyway, here are the pictures if you want to take a look at the layout
> with
> > the narrow keyboard and the K-Pod / Paddle etc...
> >
> > http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/NG7M/Elecraft/K-Pod/
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > Max NG7M
> >
> > --
> > M. George
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From timk9wx at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 08:56:01 2016
From: timk9wx at gmail.com (Tim Gennett)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:56:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=8B_Re=3A_Narrow_Gaming_Keyboard_and_G?=
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When I think about how much time we spend in contact with our keyboards, I
find it surprising how casual we can be when it comes to selecting a
keyboard.  In a contest, I can go for hours without ever touching my
radios, yet still log hundreds of QSO's just by typing on my keyboard.

Several years ago, I thought I should dig into the subject and see if there
was a better choice for me than the 1998 Compaq KB-3923 I was using.  I
purchased a WASD Cherry MX Switch Tester from Amazon and that did little to
help.  The tester made it clear that I wanted non-clicky keys, but I was
unable to make the final call between tactile and non-tactile switches, or
how much activation force I preferred.  Then, when I threw in the effect of
two different types of o-rings, I was quickly lost in the weeds.  Making a
judgement by pressing on a single key on the tester is clearly NOT the same
thing as typing at contest speeds on a full size keyboard.

There are a half dozen or so gaming stores in my neck of the woods, but
they typically don't stock a lot of keyboards, mostly just the game
cartridges.  So these stores were not much help.  I checked exhibitors at a
couple of computers shows but they typically did not have a full range of
options available to test.

For contesting, I like to mount a macro template to the keyboard, to help
me find the right key in the heat of battle.  There may be better ways to
do this but my technique requires a flat spot on the top or side of the
keyboard case.  See picture at http://www.k9wx.net/downloads/IMG4799.JPG
And, because I operate SO2R, I insist on having a Pause key and a backslash
key.  I know I could get around this by using AutoHotKey but I want to keep
my setup as simple as possible and don't want to add yet another piece of
software that has to be learned, maintained, and that can fail.

Each time I have dug into this, I have always decided to stick with the
Compaq.  But, tomorrow may be different.

Tim K9WX





On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:54 AM, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The keyboard is a CM Storm QuickFire Rapid - Tenkeyless Mechanical Gaming
> Keyboard with Cherry Switches.  These are very popular keyboards and are
> still available in several different models, however there are many other
> manufacturers that sell the same size / style of keyboard, with or without
> cherry brand mechanical keys.  Search on Amazon as a starting point.
>
> If back lighting is important to you, make sure and search for one that
> has back lighting. Since I bought mine there are some keyboards out there
> now that let you control the lighting on a key by key basis... Also, know
> that the mechanical cherry keys have a very distinctive click based on the
> version of the Cherry switches. Here is a good gaming article that
> describes the different cherry keys and how each version (color type) is
> different.  i.e. Red, Blue, Brown Cherry switch types
> <http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-keyboard-and-why-you-511140347>
> .
>
> Keyboards with cherry switches won't be inexpensive.  Expect to pay
> $60-$100+ if you want cherry switches in a keyboard.  Plus, do the research
> and know what to expect on the feel and sound of the keys.  You might drive
> your XYL crazy typing on a cherry switch keyboard! ;)
>
> Again, other keyboards with the same form factor are out there with the
> typical contact membrane key style, that is nearly silent... and mushy...
> however, they can be had for $15-25.
>
> Just to  be clear, I obviously do not have any vested interest in the
> cherry switch based keyboards.  I just like them and love the tactile feel
> and positive feedback you get from the keys.  The narrow width was critical
> too in my case... less hand movement between the keyboard at the K-Pod,
> Paddle and mouse.
>
> Max NG7M
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ?What is the make and model of the keyboard?  I can't see any? brand or
>> model markings in the pictures.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tim K9WX
>>
>>
>> From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
>> > To: Elecraft Mailer <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> > Cc:
>> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:10:47 -0700
>> > Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
>> > I thought I would share the following.  I have been using a narrow
>> gaming
>> > keyboard for years now and really like it.  It has cherry mechanical
>> keys
>> > and nice options on the back lighting.  The real reason for the post
>> here
>> > is related to my K-Pod and the positioning of the K-Pod in relation to
>> the
>> > keyboard in my paddle.  Plus, I found these huge mouse pads online for a
>> > very reasonable price.  They are 32" x 24".  I hate table edges against
>> my
>> > wrist when keying the paddle and using the mouse, not to mention using
>> the
>> > K-Pod as near to the keyboard as possible.  I'm pretty happy with the
>> two
>> > big mouse pads which solve the movement of the paddle too etc...
>> >
>> > The big mouse pads were found on the shopping site that nobody can live
>> > without these days... search for 'Large gaming mouse pad'.  I found some
>> > big ones on usual auction site too, but they were wider and not as deep.
>> >
>> > Anyway, here are the pictures if you want to take a look at the layout
>> with
>> > the narrow keyboard and the K-Pod / Paddle etc...
>> >
>> > http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/NG7M/Elecraft/K-Pod/
>> >
>> > Happy Thanksgiving!
>> >
>> > Max NG7M
>> >
>> > --
>> > M. George
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>
> --
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>

From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 09:24:14 2016
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 07:24:14 -0700
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Tim, you bring up a good point about how much time is spent interacting
with the keyboard.  Thanks for mentioning the WASD Cherry MX Switch Tester
<http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-6-key-cherry-mx-switch-tester.html>
too.
I didn't know that existed.  We are getting down into the weeds on keyboard
obsession. I totally understand sticking with your Compaq keyboard too

I didn't mention the O-rings earlier, but since you brought it up... for
others, it's a whole other level of customizing your keyboard feel.  I did
the same thing a few years ago.  Researched the O-rings and ended up
installing them on my keyboard pictured in the first post.  It's going to
an obsessive level, but you remove all the keys on the keyboard and install
rubber O-rings as the bummer when the key physically bottoms out on the
keyboard.  This can also quiet down the sound when using mechanical cherry
MX switches.

Anyway, maybe too much information on keyboards for most!

Thanks for jumping in Tim.

Max NG7M

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I think about how much time we spend in contact with our keyboards, I
> find it surprising how casual we can be when it comes to selecting a
> keyboard.  In a contest, I can go for hours without ever touching my
> radios, yet still log hundreds of QSO's just by typing on my keyboard.
>
> Several years ago, I thought I should dig into the subject and see if
> there was a better choice for me than the 1998 Compaq KB-3923 I was using.
> I purchased a WASD Cherry MX Switch Tester from Amazon and that did little
> to help.  The tester made it clear that I wanted non-clicky keys, but I was
> unable to make the final call between tactile and non-tactile switches, or
> how much activation force I preferred.  Then, when I threw in the effect of
> two different types of o-rings, I was quickly lost in the weeds.  Making a
> judgement by pressing on a single key on the tester is clearly NOT the same
> thing as typing at contest speeds on a full size keyboard.
>
> There are a half dozen or so gaming stores in my neck of the woods, but
> they typically don't stock a lot of keyboards, mostly just the game
> cartridges.  So these stores were not much help.  I checked exhibitors at a
> couple of computers shows but they typically did not have a full range of
> options available to test.
>
> For contesting, I like to mount a macro template to the keyboard, to help
> me find the right key in the heat of battle.  There may be better ways to
> do this but my technique requires a flat spot on the top or side of the
> keyboard case.  See picture at http://www.k9wx.net/downloads/IMG4799.JPG
>   And, because I operate SO2R, I insist on having a Pause key and a
> backslash key.  I know I could get around this by using AutoHotKey but I
> want to keep my setup as simple as possible and don't want to add yet
> another piece of software that has to be learned, maintained, and that can
> fail.
>
> Each time I have dug into this, I have always decided to stick with the
> Compaq.  But, tomorrow may be different.
>
> Tim K9WX
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:54 AM, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The keyboard is a CM Storm QuickFire Rapid - Tenkeyless Mechanical Gaming
>> Keyboard with Cherry Switches.  These are very popular keyboards and are
>> still available in several different models, however there are many other
>> manufacturers that sell the same size / style of keyboard, with or without
>> cherry brand mechanical keys.  Search on Amazon as a starting point.
>>
>> If back lighting is important to you, make sure and search for one that
>> has back lighting. Since I bought mine there are some keyboards out there
>> now that let you control the lighting on a key by key basis... Also, know
>> that the mechanical cherry keys have a very distinctive click based on the
>> version of the Cherry switches. Here is a good gaming article that
>> describes the different cherry keys and how each version (color type) is
>> different.  i.e. Red, Blue, Brown Cherry switch types
>> <http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-keyboard-and-why-you-511140347>
>> .
>>
>> Keyboards with cherry switches won't be inexpensive.  Expect to pay
>> $60-$100+ if you want cherry switches in a keyboard.  Plus, do the research
>> and know what to expect on the feel and sound of the keys.  You might drive
>> your XYL crazy typing on a cherry switch keyboard! ;)
>>
>> Again, other keyboards with the same form factor are out there with the
>> typical contact membrane key style, that is nearly silent... and mushy...
>> however, they can be had for $15-25.
>>
>> Just to  be clear, I obviously do not have any vested interest in the
>> cherry switch based keyboards.  I just like them and love the tactile feel
>> and positive feedback you get from the keys.  The narrow width was critical
>> too in my case... less hand movement between the keyboard at the K-Pod,
>> Paddle and mouse.
>>
>> Max NG7M
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ?What is the make and model of the keyboard?  I can't see any? brand or
>>> model markings in the pictures.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Tim K9WX
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
>>> > To: Elecraft Mailer <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> > Cc:
>>> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:10:47 -0700
>>> > Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
>>> > I thought I would share the following.  I have been using a narrow
>>> gaming
>>> > keyboard for years now and really like it.  It has cherry mechanical
>>> keys
>>> > and nice options on the back lighting.  The real reason for the post
>>> here
>>> > is related to my K-Pod and the positioning of the K-Pod in relation to
>>> the
>>> > keyboard in my paddle.  Plus, I found these huge mouse pads online for
>>> a
>>> > very reasonable price.  They are 32" x 24".  I hate table edges
>>> against my
>>> > wrist when keying the paddle and using the mouse, not to mention using
>>> the
>>> > K-Pod as near to the keyboard as possible.  I'm pretty happy with the
>>> two
>>> > big mouse pads which solve the movement of the paddle too etc...
>>> >
>>> > The big mouse pads were found on the shopping site that nobody can live
>>> > without these days... search for 'Large gaming mouse pad'.  I found
>>> some
>>> > big ones on usual auction site too, but they were wider and not as
>>> deep.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, here are the pictures if you want to take a look at the layout
>>> with
>>> > the narrow keyboard and the K-Pod / Paddle etc...
>>> >
>>> > http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/NG7M/Elecraft/K-Pod/
>>> >
>>> > Happy Thanksgiving!
>>> >
>>> > Max NG7M
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > M. George
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> M. George
>>
>
>


-- 
M. George

From tomdon92 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 09:59:44 2016
From: tomdon92 at gmail.com (Thomas Donohue)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:59:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Mic Gain and Heil PR-10 Query
Message-ID: <7D9A5706-F56D-4C32-99F2-C5E81149FFC5@gmail.com>

Hi to All:

I?m using a PR-10 mic to drive the K3S; I find that I need to set the mic gain to 40+ to get sufficient output to push the ALC meter to nearly the top of its range. My XYL, W1JX, with a softer voice, needs to run the mic gain to the maximum setting (60) to achieve the same output. Other Heil mics such as the HM-12 only require a mic gain setting of 25 for both of us to achieve sufficient output.. I contacted Heil and was told that the PR-10 is much wider in audio bandwidth and therefore requires a higher mic gain settings; they further advised that my experience was normal. While I understand this, I?m just not comfortable running the mic gain setting at max to achieve normal output when my XYL is using the K3S. Am I missing something here? Any thoughts and/or advice would be appreciated.

Best 73,
Tom/W1QU

From jcox123 at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 25 09:59:16 2016
From: jcox123 at bellsouth.net (Jim Cox)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:59:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday & Weekend Sale
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Does the free shipping apply to accessories such as antenna tuner when the 
KX2 is ordered on the Black Friday Special?  Thanks Jim K4JAF

-----Original Message----- 
From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:27 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday & Weekend Sale

We'll, we have finally given in to the Black Friday Sale hysteria.. ;-)

The Elecraft Black Friday Sale begins 11/24/16 (today) and ends at midnight
(PST) on Monday night, 11/28/16.

You can get the details at:
http://www.elecraft.com/BlackFridaySale.htm

Our order form also has the K3S Bundle special Discounts and Black Friday 
Specials

Our Black Friday special includes free ground shipping in North America for 
our
Black Friday specials and for our K3S Bundle specials. (We'll adjust the
shipping after checkout and will email you the adjusted cost.)

The Black Friday Banner also shows at the top of our main page at
http://elecraft.com
Our order form now has the K3S Bundle special Discounts and Black Friday 
Specials
(You may need to refresh your browser page to see the new page versions.)

Enjoy!

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

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From hk3j.dx at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 10:13:42 2016
From: hk3j.dx at gmail.com (German Duran)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:13:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
Message-ID: <CAEJf59hpmCMOhARsp+x2RqoUwAddw=HUSJ0UHAd=mXRhXoUXrg@mail.gmail.com>

 I'm going to sleep in a tent waiting to open the doors of the factory and
save 70 on a radio that costs 3000

From hk3w.inf at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 10:23:58 2016
From: hk3w.inf at gmail.com (Francisco H)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:23:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
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I just had a mini heart attack when I saw Elecraft's black friday discounts,
amazing!!!



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Duran
Enviado el: viernes, 25 de noviembre de 2016 10:14 a.m.
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Asunto: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday

 I'm going to sleep in a tent waiting to open the doors of the factory and
save 70 on a radio that costs 3000
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Nov 25 10:44:45 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Mic Gain and Heil PR-10 Query
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Is MENU:MIC SEL set to rP.H/FP.H or rP.L/FP.L?

For a dynamic mic like the PR-10, you will want to select
the High gain (xP.H) settings.  If you are connecting to
the front panel, you can also tap the "7" key to turn on
an *additional* gain stage if necessary.

See page 55 of the K3S Owner's Manual.

> I contacted Heil and was told that the PR-10 is much wider in audio
 > bandwidth and therefore requires a higher mic gain settings; they
 > further advised that my experience was normal.

Heil is not telling you the truth or their spec sheets are not
accurate.  The specification sheets (on their web site) show the
output level specifications for both the PR-10 and HM-12 at -55 dB.
The microphones show similar bandwidth (80 - 14 KHz) with the HM-12
having a peak at 2 KHz and the PR-10 peak at 5 KHz).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/25/2016 9:59 AM, Thomas Donohue wrote:
> Hi to All:
>
> I?m using a PR-10 mic to drive the K3S; I find that I need to set the mic gain to 40+ to get sufficient output to push the ALC meter to nearly the top of its range. My XYL, W1JX, with a softer voice, needs to run the mic gain to the maximum setting (60) to achieve the same output. Other Heil mics such as the HM-12 only require a mic gain setting of 25 for both of us to achieve sufficient output.. I contacted Heil and was told that the PR-10 is much wider in audio bandwidth and therefore requires a higher mic gain settings; they further advised that my experience was normal. While I understand this, I?m just not comfortable running the mic gain setting at max to achieve normal output when my XYL is using the K3S. Am I missing something here? Any thoughts and/or advice would be appreciated.
>
> Best 73,
> Tom/W1QU
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From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com  Fri Nov 25 11:25:15 2016
From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]
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Work recently provided a TypeMatrix ( www.typematrix.com ) as an 'ergo' keyboard. If you need a small-ish quality keyboard, I really like mine !

Niel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 07:24, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tim, you bring up a good point about how much time is spent interacting
> with the keyboard.  Thanks for mentioning the WASD Cherry MX Switch Tester
> <http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-6-key-cherry-mx-switch-tester.html>
> too.
> I didn't know that existed.  We are getting down into the weeds on keyboard
> obsession. I totally understand sticking with your Compaq keyboard too
> 
> I didn't mention the O-rings earlier, but since you brought it up... for
> others, it's a whole other level of customizing your keyboard feel.  I did
> the same thing a few years ago.  Researched the O-rings and ended up
> installing them on my keyboard pictured in the first post.  It's going to
> an obsessive level, but you remove all the keys on the keyboard and install
> rubber O-rings as the bummer when the key physically bottoms out on the
> keyboard.  This can also quiet down the sound when using mechanical cherry
> MX switches.
> 
> Anyway, maybe too much information on keyboards for most!
> 
> Thanks for jumping in Tim.
> 
> Max NG7M
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When I think about how much time we spend in contact with our keyboards, I
>> find it surprising how casual we can be when it comes to selecting a
>> keyboard.  In a contest, I can go for hours without ever touching my
>> radios, yet still log hundreds of QSO's just by typing on my keyboard.
>> 
>> Several years ago, I thought I should dig into the subject and see if
>> there was a better choice for me than the 1998 Compaq KB-3923 I was using.
>> I purchased a WASD Cherry MX Switch Tester from Amazon and that did little
>> to help.  The tester made it clear that I wanted non-clicky keys, but I was
>> unable to make the final call between tactile and non-tactile switches, or
>> how much activation force I preferred.  Then, when I threw in the effect of
>> two different types of o-rings, I was quickly lost in the weeds.  Making a
>> judgement by pressing on a single key on the tester is clearly NOT the same
>> thing as typing at contest speeds on a full size keyboard.
>> 
>> There are a half dozen or so gaming stores in my neck of the woods, but
>> they typically don't stock a lot of keyboards, mostly just the game
>> cartridges.  So these stores were not much help.  I checked exhibitors at a
>> couple of computers shows but they typically did not have a full range of
>> options available to test.
>> 
>> For contesting, I like to mount a macro template to the keyboard, to help
>> me find the right key in the heat of battle.  There may be better ways to
>> do this but my technique requires a flat spot on the top or side of the
>> keyboard case.  See picture at http://www.k9wx.net/downloads/IMG4799.JPG
>>  And, because I operate SO2R, I insist on having a Pause key and a
>> backslash key.  I know I could get around this by using AutoHotKey but I
>> want to keep my setup as simple as possible and don't want to add yet
>> another piece of software that has to be learned, maintained, and that can
>> fail.
>> 
>> Each time I have dug into this, I have always decided to stick with the
>> Compaq.  But, tomorrow may be different.
>> 
>> Tim K9WX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:54 AM, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The keyboard is a CM Storm QuickFire Rapid - Tenkeyless Mechanical Gaming
>>> Keyboard with Cherry Switches.  These are very popular keyboards and are
>>> still available in several different models, however there are many other
>>> manufacturers that sell the same size / style of keyboard, with or without
>>> cherry brand mechanical keys.  Search on Amazon as a starting point.
>>> 
>>> If back lighting is important to you, make sure and search for one that
>>> has back lighting. Since I bought mine there are some keyboards out there
>>> now that let you control the lighting on a key by key basis... Also, know
>>> that the mechanical cherry keys have a very distinctive click based on the
>>> version of the Cherry switches. Here is a good gaming article that
>>> describes the different cherry keys and how each version (color type) is
>>> different.  i.e. Red, Blue, Brown Cherry switch types
>>> <http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-keyboard-and-why-you-511140347>
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Keyboards with cherry switches won't be inexpensive.  Expect to pay
>>> $60-$100+ if you want cherry switches in a keyboard.  Plus, do the research
>>> and know what to expect on the feel and sound of the keys.  You might drive
>>> your XYL crazy typing on a cherry switch keyboard! ;)
>>> 
>>> Again, other keyboards with the same form factor are out there with the
>>> typical contact membrane key style, that is nearly silent... and mushy...
>>> however, they can be had for $15-25.
>>> 
>>> Just to  be clear, I obviously do not have any vested interest in the
>>> cherry switch based keyboards.  I just like them and love the tactile feel
>>> and positive feedback you get from the keys.  The narrow width was critical
>>> too in my case... less hand movement between the keyboard at the K-Pod,
>>> Paddle and mouse.
>>> 
>>> Max NG7M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?What is the make and model of the keyboard?  I can't see any? brand or
>>>> model markings in the pictures.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Tim K9WX
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Elecraft Mailer <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:10:47 -0700
>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
>>>>> I thought I would share the following.  I have been using a narrow
>>>> gaming
>>>>> keyboard for years now and really like it.  It has cherry mechanical
>>>> keys
>>>>> and nice options on the back lighting.  The real reason for the post
>>>> here
>>>>> is related to my K-Pod and the positioning of the K-Pod in relation to
>>>> the
>>>>> keyboard in my paddle.  Plus, I found these huge mouse pads online for
>>>> a
>>>>> very reasonable price.  They are 32" x 24".  I hate table edges
>>>> against my
>>>>> wrist when keying the paddle and using the mouse, not to mention using
>>>> the
>>>>> K-Pod as near to the keyboard as possible.  I'm pretty happy with the
>>>> two
>>>>> big mouse pads which solve the movement of the paddle too etc...
>>>>> 
>>>>> The big mouse pads were found on the shopping site that nobody can live
>>>>> without these days... search for 'Large gaming mouse pad'.  I found
>>>> some
>>>>> big ones on usual auction site too, but they were wider and not as
>>>> deep.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, here are the pictures if you want to take a look at the layout
>>>> with
>>>>> the narrow keyboard and the K-Pod / Paddle etc...
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/NG7M/Elecraft/K-Pod/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Max NG7M
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> M. George
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> M. George
> 
> 
> -- 
> M. George
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 25 11:50:10 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:50:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday & Weekend Sale
In-Reply-To: <B8DDF6BDD02F4F76A0115C1E8D32C8D3@JimPC>
References: <319cfcfa-528a-3b3d-af84-0b536b9e0735@elecraft.com>
	<B8DDF6BDD02F4F76A0115C1E8D32C8D3@JimPC>
Message-ID: <8D9770BC-C611-424B-9512-6C9E9F8F389E@elecraft.com>

Yes. Internal options and cables ordered with a radio also have free shipping for the sale.

73,

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Nov 25, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Jim Cox <jcox123 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Does the free shipping apply to accessories such as antenna tuner when the KX2 is ordered on the Black Friday Special?  Thanks Jim K4JAF
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:27 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday & Weekend Sale
> 
> We'll, we have finally given in to the Black Friday Sale hysteria.. ;-)
> 
> The Elecraft Black Friday Sale begins 11/24/16 (today) and ends at midnight
> (PST) on Monday night, 11/28/16.
> 
> You can get the details at:
> http://www.elecraft.com/BlackFridaySale.htm
> 
> Our order form also has the K3S Bundle special Discounts and Black Friday Specials
> 
> Our Black Friday special includes free ground shipping in North America for our
> Black Friday specials and for our K3S Bundle specials. (We'll adjust the
> shipping after checkout and will email you the adjusted cost.)
> 
> The Black Friday Banner also shows at the top of our main page at
> http://elecraft.com
> Our order form now has the K3S Bundle special Discounts and Black Friday Specials
> (You may need to refresh your browser page to see the new page versions.)
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
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From w0mu at w0mu.com  Fri Nov 25 11:51:14 2016
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Receiver dead no output
Message-ID: <3300dfea-8a76-9350-5e80-246779d3ed3f@w0mu.com>

My secondary K3 is having troubles.

It was working fine last night.  Turned it on this am and the receiver 
is very quiet.  I have to turn the knob way up to get the same output as 
last night and there is no output.

I did a ee init reset.  No change.  reloaded all the firmware, no change.

I had this happen a couple of weeks ago and the radio mysteriously 
repaired itself.

Can anyone give me some hints on what to look for?

The radio was back at Elecraft for updates, new pins etc about 6 months 
ago (or more) and then sat in the box for months.  Took it out about a 
month ago when I set up my new shack.

W0MU

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Fri Nov 25 14:16:18 2016
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:16:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13393.1480088701.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.13393.1480088701.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <d2c06807-c72c-f914-a969-b1c72d63b64c@mebtel.net>

Hi all,
After reviewing Elecraft's momentous decision to participate in the 
Black Friday sales we figured that many hams would need a Kx33 Low-RFI 
power supply for all those KX2 and KX3s that will be bought so...we are 
going to offer Free Shipping to US hams starting today, Nov 25th and 
extending through the end of the month for all Pro Audio Engineering 
products.

We would love to extend this to all North American hams, but it is 
impractical given the ratio of product to shipping cost. Alternatively 
we will split the shipping cost to North American hams outside the US in 
this same time period.  After your purchase we will refund you 50% of 
the shipping cost.

Happy Thanksgiving all you US hams and a belated Canadian Thanksgiving 
and Mexican Revolution Day!

Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com

From nelasat at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 14:49:07 2016
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (KV5J)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:49:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <CAEJf59hpmCMOhARsp+x2RqoUwAddw=HUSJ0UHAd=mXRhXoUXrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEJf59hpmCMOhARsp+x2RqoUwAddw=HUSJ0UHAd=mXRhXoUXrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1480103347641-7624251.post@n2.nabble.com>

WOW.  A 2.49% discount.  Does that qualify as a Black Friday sale?

Keith, KV5J



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From mrudolph at therabbi.com  Fri Nov 25 15:45:11 2016
From: mrudolph at therabbi.com (Michael Rudolph)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Catch me up on KX3
Message-ID: <0bb801d2475c$d145edb0$73d1c910$@therabbi.com>

I have been off the air for the better part of a year and have lost track of
firmware downloads and the best software for controlling the KX3 for PSK31.
I would appreciate your advice with links.

 

Michael Rudolph


From mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 16:04:47 2016
From: mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com (Paul Clay)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:04:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <1480103347641-7624251.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Level of discount silly and not at all in keeping with the concept of a &quot;Black Friday&quot; sale, IMHO. If Elecraft can&#39;t afford to offer a true &quot;Black Friday&quot;  discount (nothing shameful in that), it should just pass (or offer the presented discounts simply as holiday or end of year discounts).  $70 isnt going to cause me (or most folks, I suspect) to jump at buying a K3S or feel like I&#39;ve gotten a great &quot;Black Friday&quot; deal.  (Please, no flames; just offering MHO.)

From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 16:07:49 2016
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:07:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujt-+3UXp3axu6XiANRVGaMXyzEJrn-kVENddJ-a=88ajw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFYRpHsRBKm1Tn0WE1tq5nTWSj5vAxQG_BYUT6hgfo4m1ff8fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt-+3UXp3axu6XiANRVGaMXyzEJrn-kVENddJ-a=88ajw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHscaRN4vZOCT8hEj6e+Dm0X5GR=2tJCKiz1R7K=V6QwUw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kevin, I missed your note about the setup earlier. Yes, it's nice to set
things up the way you operate.  In my case, I have always had the K3 on the
left side to keep the right hand near the paddle and mouse, but now with
the K-Pod, I get the best of both worlds.  I can use the left hand on the
K3 if I want to tune the main VFO or RIT (for example), or I can do
everything with the right hand and keep the left hand on the left side of
the keyboard (obviously) to work the function keys etc... while having the
right hand ready to work the mouse, K-Pod or paddle.  When pouncing it's
really night with the K-Pod on the right if you want to use the paddle to
call or fill etc...

Max NG7M

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:

> ?I enjoy shack shots and this batch was great Max. I particularly liked
> the 1899 photo.
>
> I don't have a K-pod but something similar for my Flex setup (FlexRemote).
> I keep it on the left side so I can keep my right hand on the key or mouse.
>
> Kev, K4VD
>



-- 
M. George

From mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 16:10:17 2016
From: mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com (Paul Clay)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:10:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw:  Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1480108217.6330.YahooMailMobile@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Actually, to be fair, offering everyone a small discount, vice a substantial discount on a very limited number of units, has merit. I withdraw my previous (friendly!) criticism. :-)

From timk9wx at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 16:15:20 2016
From: timk9wx at gmail.com (Tim Gennett)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:15:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=8B_Re=3A_Narrow_Gaming_Keyboard_and_G?=
	=?utf-8?q?iant_Mouse_Pads_-_K-Pod?=
In-Reply-To: <858FDCAC-16FF-4191-94CF-BD79D3D00589@ecsecurityinc.com>
References: <CAJc0o=8YazVg3GVXJSisR7UbxsQDSVksR-=3eV8tywi3PVRv8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFYRpHufSa7KAqdxr7He0oYDBQyJ8ZAfxf2wTG_VMKdb_vDr4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJc0o=8heXtqUeHFfQWO3NLJ50RgjgjrVGcMxvov4W2V+0kXCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFYRpHusBzJy8Db7p8dj8=4daArAksq03fyddFd+Vw6kN67ThQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<858FDCAC-16FF-4191-94CF-BD79D3D00589@ecsecurityinc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJc0o=8Brtzof2wX--L3uVcDiZhXE6WR94mKBqP_kbejLBOBhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious, Niel, how long did it take you to get use to the new keyboard
layout?  And, is this the only keyboard you use, or are you using this at
work and a more traditional QWERTY style at home?

Tim K9WX

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Niel Skousen <nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com>
wrote:

> Work recently provided a TypeMatrix ( www.typematrix.com ) as an 'ergo'
> keyboard. If you need a small-ish quality keyboard, I really like mine !
>
> Niel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 07:24, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tim, you bring up a good point about how much time is spent interacting
> > with the keyboard.  Thanks for mentioning the WASD Cherry MX Switch
> Tester
> > <http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-6-key-cherry-
> mx-switch-tester.html>
> > too.
> > I didn't know that existed.  We are getting down into the weeds on
> keyboard
> > obsession. I totally understand sticking with your Compaq keyboard too
> >
> > I didn't mention the O-rings earlier, but since you brought it up... for
> > others, it's a whole other level of customizing your keyboard feel.  I
> did
> > the same thing a few years ago.  Researched the O-rings and ended up
> > installing them on my keyboard pictured in the first post.  It's going to
> > an obsessive level, but you remove all the keys on the keyboard and
> install
> > rubber O-rings as the bummer when the key physically bottoms out on the
> > keyboard.  This can also quiet down the sound when using mechanical
> cherry
> > MX switches.
> >
> > Anyway, maybe too much information on keyboards for most!
> >
> > Thanks for jumping in Tim.
> >
> > Max NG7M
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When I think about how much time we spend in contact with our
> keyboards, I
> >> find it surprising how casual we can be when it comes to selecting a
> >> keyboard.  In a contest, I can go for hours without ever touching my
> >> radios, yet still log hundreds of QSO's just by typing on my keyboard.
> >>
> >> Several years ago, I thought I should dig into the subject and see if
> >> there was a better choice for me than the 1998 Compaq KB-3923 I was
> using.
> >> I purchased a WASD Cherry MX Switch Tester from Amazon and that did
> little
> >> to help.  The tester made it clear that I wanted non-clicky keys, but I
> was
> >> unable to make the final call between tactile and non-tactile switches,
> or
> >> how much activation force I preferred.  Then, when I threw in the
> effect of
> >> two different types of o-rings, I was quickly lost in the weeds.
> Making a
> >> judgement by pressing on a single key on the tester is clearly NOT the
> same
> >> thing as typing at contest speeds on a full size keyboard.
> >>
> >> There are a half dozen or so gaming stores in my neck of the woods, but
> >> they typically don't stock a lot of keyboards, mostly just the game
> >> cartridges.  So these stores were not much help.  I checked exhibitors
> at a
> >> couple of computers shows but they typically did not have a full range
> of
> >> options available to test.
> >>
> >> For contesting, I like to mount a macro template to the keyboard, to
> help
> >> me find the right key in the heat of battle.  There may be better ways
> to
> >> do this but my technique requires a flat spot on the top or side of the
> >> keyboard case.  See picture at http://www.k9wx.net/downloads/
> IMG4799.JPG
> >>  And, because I operate SO2R, I insist on having a Pause key and a
> >> backslash key.  I know I could get around this by using AutoHotKey but I
> >> want to keep my setup as simple as possible and don't want to add yet
> >> another piece of software that has to be learned, maintained, and that
> can
> >> fail.
> >>
> >> Each time I have dug into this, I have always decided to stick with the
> >> Compaq.  But, tomorrow may be different.
> >>
> >> Tim K9WX
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:54 AM, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The keyboard is a CM Storm QuickFire Rapid - Tenkeyless Mechanical
> Gaming
> >>> Keyboard with Cherry Switches.  These are very popular keyboards and
> are
> >>> still available in several different models, however there are many
> other
> >>> manufacturers that sell the same size / style of keyboard, with or
> without
> >>> cherry brand mechanical keys.  Search on Amazon as a starting point.
> >>>
> >>> If back lighting is important to you, make sure and search for one that
> >>> has back lighting. Since I bought mine there are some keyboards out
> there
> >>> now that let you control the lighting on a key by key basis... Also,
> know
> >>> that the mechanical cherry keys have a very distinctive click based on
> the
> >>> version of the Cherry switches. Here is a good gaming article that
> >>> describes the different cherry keys and how each version (color type)
> is
> >>> different.  i.e. Red, Blue, Brown Cherry switch types
> >>> <http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-the-best-mechanical-
> keyboard-and-why-you-511140347>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> Keyboards with cherry switches won't be inexpensive.  Expect to pay
> >>> $60-$100+ if you want cherry switches in a keyboard.  Plus, do the
> research
> >>> and know what to expect on the feel and sound of the keys.  You might
> drive
> >>> your XYL crazy typing on a cherry switch keyboard! ;)
> >>>
> >>> Again, other keyboards with the same form factor are out there with the
> >>> typical contact membrane key style, that is nearly silent... and
> mushy...
> >>> however, they can be had for $15-25.
> >>>
> >>> Just to  be clear, I obviously do not have any vested interest in the
> >>> cherry switch based keyboards.  I just like them and love the tactile
> feel
> >>> and positive feedback you get from the keys.  The narrow width was
> critical
> >>> too in my case... less hand movement between the keyboard at the K-Pod,
> >>> Paddle and mouse.
> >>>
> >>> Max NG7M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Tim Gennett <timk9wx at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?What is the make and model of the keyboard?  I can't see any? brand
> or
> >>>> model markings in the pictures.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim K9WX
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: Elecraft Mailer <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> >>>>> Cc:
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:10:47 -0700
> >>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads -
> K-Pod
> >>>>> I thought I would share the following.  I have been using a narrow
> >>>> gaming
> >>>>> keyboard for years now and really like it.  It has cherry mechanical
> >>>> keys
> >>>>> and nice options on the back lighting.  The real reason for the post
> >>>> here
> >>>>> is related to my K-Pod and the positioning of the K-Pod in relation
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>>> keyboard in my paddle.  Plus, I found these huge mouse pads online
> for
> >>>> a
> >>>>> very reasonable price.  They are 32" x 24".  I hate table edges
> >>>> against my
> >>>>> wrist when keying the paddle and using the mouse, not to mention
> using
> >>>> the
> >>>>> K-Pod as near to the keyboard as possible.  I'm pretty happy with the
> >>>> two
> >>>>> big mouse pads which solve the movement of the paddle too etc...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The big mouse pads were found on the shopping site that nobody can
> live
> >>>>> without these days... search for 'Large gaming mouse pad'.  I found
> >>>> some
> >>>>> big ones on usual auction site too, but they were wider and not as
> >>>> deep.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, here are the pictures if you want to take a look at the
> layout
> >>>> with
> >>>>> the narrow keyboard and the K-Pod / Paddle etc...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/NG7M/Elecraft/K-Pod/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Happy Thanksgiving!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Max NG7M
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> M. George
> >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >
> >
> > --
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Nov 25 16:34:31 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:34:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f362e2d8-e35f-bf17-6fc1-4975f90f2fe9@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Think about it -- those who offer large discounts for special sales are 
not losing money, they have large markups built in, and are simply 
reducing them for that sale. Elecraft sells direct, with no commission 
to "dealers" who do nothing but ship boxes in and out the door, and they 
price their products as low as they can and still stay in business. 
Remember that the equipment they sell must support telephone support, a 
service department to do both in-warranty and out of warranty repairs, 
engineers who work on the design of future products, others who do the 
work to put those designs into production, administrative people who do 
the billing, customer contact, purchasing of parts, accounting, filing 
tax returns, and so on.

As a ham for 60 years, I've watched dozens of ham companies go out of 
business because they didn't understand their market, or priced their 
products too low or too high, failed to treat customers with respect, 
and so on.  Ten Tec and Alpha are two formerly great US companies that 
have failed to make a profit and "reorganized." The remains of both 
companies have been acquired by companies 3-6 times removed from the 
originals, and the acquirers are trying to get going again. Both are 
skeleton operations, doing their best to service legacy products.

I'm happy to pay Elecraft whatever Eric and Wayne think they need to 
stay in business, support existing customers, and continue to lead the 
industry. The level at which they have chosen to work ain't cheap. If 
you want a big discount, go to HRO's website and look at their "deal" on 
a TS590SG.

73, Jim K9YC

On Fri,11/25/2016 1:04 PM, Paul Clay via Elecraft wrote:
> Level of discount silly and not at all in keeping with the concept of a &quot;Black Friday&quot; sale, IMHO.



From phystad at mac.com  Fri Nov 25 16:38:05 2016
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:38:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <f362e2d8-e35f-bf17-6fc1-4975f90f2fe9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<f362e2d8-e35f-bf17-6fc1-4975f90f2fe9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <898BA0A6-5F91-4BB7-87E6-9C950C9A7B15@mac.com>

Ditto!!


> On Nov 25, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> Think about it -- those who offer large discounts for special sales are not losing money, they have large markups built in, and are simply reducing them for that sale. Elecraft sells direct, with no commission to "dealers" who do nothing but ship boxes in and out the door, and they price their products as low as they can and still stay in business. Remember that the equipment they sell must support telephone support, a service department to do both in-warranty and out of warranty repairs, engineers who work on the design of future products, others who do the work to put those designs into production, administrative people who do the billing, customer contact, purchasing of parts, accounting, filing tax returns, and so on.
> 
> As a ham for 60 years, I've watched dozens of ham companies go out of business because they didn't understand their market, or priced their products too low or too high, failed to treat customers with respect, and so on.  Ten Tec and Alpha are two formerly great US companies that have failed to make a profit and "reorganized." The remains of both companies have been acquired by companies 3-6 times removed from the originals, and the acquirers are trying to get going again. Both are skeleton operations, doing their best to service legacy products.
> 
> I'm happy to pay Elecraft whatever Eric and Wayne think they need to stay in business, support existing customers, and continue to lead the industry. The level at which they have chosen to work ain't cheap. If you want a big discount, go to HRO's website and look at their "deal" on a TS590SG.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> On Fri,11/25/2016 1:04 PM, Paul Clay via Elecraft wrote:
>> Level of discount silly and not at all in keeping with the concept of a &quot;Black Friday&quot; sale, IMHO.
> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Fri Nov 25 20:47:06 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:47:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d1812355-f9ad-3c95-2fd4-7a13612a1440@montac.com>

No one really gives a rat's "4th point of contact" what you think.

Thank you, Elecraft!  :-)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 11/25/2016 3:04 PM, Paul Clay via Elecraft wrote:
> Level of discount silly and not at all in keeping with the concept of a &quot;Black Friday&quot; sale, IMHO. If Elecraft can&#39;t afford to offer a true &quot;Black Friday&quot;  discount (nothing shameful in that), it should just pass (or offer the presented discounts simply as holiday or end of year discounts).  $70 isnt going to cause me (or most folks, I suspect) to jump at buying a K3S or feel like I&#39;ve gotten a great &quot;Black Friday&quot; deal.  (Please, no flames; just offering MHO.)
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From mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 21:15:39 2016
From: mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com (Paul Clay)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 18:15:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <d1812355-f9ad-3c95-2fd4-7a13612a1440@montac.com>
Message-ID: <1480126539.67527.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Ah, I forgot why I don&#39;t follow the Reflector much anymore. Thanks for reminding me, OM.  (What a course and vulgar society we&#39;ve become.)

From w0cz at i29.net  Fri Nov 25 22:10:38 2016
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:10:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
Message-ID: <FB561D58-2084-40CB-B5A8-FDA9C362A89E@i29.net>

I have been thinking about a KPA500 and KAT500 for quite some time and appreciate saving $130 and the ability to save even more by getting the kit versions. 

Thank you Elecraft and I hope everyone has as fine a Christmas present.

73 and good luck

Ken.  W0CZ

Sent from my iPad

From aldermant at windstream.net  Fri Nov 25 23:47:54 2016
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:47:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]
	=?utf-8?q?OT--=09=E2=80=8B_Re=3A_Narrow_Gaming_Keyboar?=
	=?utf-8?q?d_and_Giant_Mouse_Pads_-_K-Pod?=
Message-ID: <000001d247a0$410016b0$c3004410$@windstream.net>

Hi Tim,

I, obviously, am not Niel, however I have been using Dvorak key layout boards for some 30 years and will share my experience with you.

With a standard QWERTY keyboard layout, I never could get my typing speed much over 45 wpm and since I developed an interest in operating CW at QRQ speeds, or in excess of 60 to 120 wpm, I had to find something better! It took me about four to six months to get my typing speed up to about 60 wpm, but much less time to exceed 100 wpm and I maxed out at about 130 wpm. Unfortunately at that time I was working as a computer specialist, providing computer support to PC users in the FDA. I got several quizzical stares when I began typing with two fingers on a QWERTY standard keyboard and numerous times had to explain how I could provide PC support and only type with two fingers! So my answer to your second question is in my experience I could never switch between a Dvorak board and a QWERTY board.

Other than the ability to correctly type over 100 wpm is the fact that Professor Dvorak had performed serious study into key placement, changing the high percentage of keystrokes from the left hand to where both the left and right hand had more equal percentage of keystrokes for typing common words of the English language; and he moved the highest percentage of keystrokes from the two outer fingers of each hand to the two inner fingers of each hand. There are reasons for this, but with a QWERTY keyboard one can type some 90 words of the English language without lifting your eight fingers off of the home keys and with a Dvorak key placement board one can type some 3000 words of the English language without lifting the eight fingers off of the home keys. Also because of less wrist movement with a Dvorak board, carpel (sp?) tunnel syndrome is eliminated. Since Dvorak keyboards have never been accepted (because of folks total dislike of change!!) by industry, these efficient keyboards are very difficult to find.

73,
Tom - W4BQF




-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gennett
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Niel Skousen
Cc: Elecraft Mailer
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? Re: Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod

Just curious, Niel, how long did it take you to get use to the new keyboard layout?  And, is this the only keyboard you use, or are you using this at work and a more traditional QWERTY style at home?

Tim K9WX



From w6jhb at me.com  Sat Nov 26 01:14:40 2016
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 22:14:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KPA500 & KAT500
Message-ID: <61BB2B04-1848-4C15-A81D-79AC58A74884@me.com>

After some serious teeth-gnashing and head scratching, I've decided to run my K3 and KX3 barefoot. So, I'm putting up for sale my KPA500 160-6 meter, 500-watt plus solid state amp and the matching auto antenna tuner, the KAT500. The amp is serial number 1749 and the tuner is serial number 1004. Both are in superb operating and physical condition and have no scratches, dings, or blemishes of any kind. They've spent their entire life at this non-smoking QTH. All originally-supplied Elecraft cables and assembly/operating manuals are included. Both were assembled by me and neither has ever had any sort of problem.

Price for the two units is $2,300 plus shipping - AND no sales tax charged to California buyers! I would prefer selling to someone in the Sacramento or SF Bay Area if possible, avoiding having to ship that heavy amp and thus no shipping fee if you pick it up. I can deliver it within a 100 mile radius of Folsom for free, too. I prefer selling them as a package, but would consider selling them separately. 

Please contact me off-list if you are interested. I can accept PayPal, cash, or personal check (with ten day wait for clearing).

Jim Bennett / W6JHB at ARRL.NET
Folsom, CA
(25 miles east of Sacramento)

From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com  Sat Nov 26 09:47:39 2016
From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:47:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]
 =?utf-8?q?OT--=09=E2=80=8B_Re=3A_Narrow_Gaming_Keyboar?=
 =?utf-8?q?d_and_Giant_Mouse_Pads_-_K-Pod?=
In-Reply-To: <000001d247a0$410016b0$c3004410$@windstream.net>
References: <000001d247a0$410016b0$c3004410$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <D08C1951-A565-494A-A975-485D2661A07D@ecsecurityinc.com>

Hi guys fwiw, the typematrix Kbd can do dvorak layout as well, so if you get the qwerty layout and want to change to dvorak (or visa-versa), the investment is a new 'skin'. 

The kbd has a nicer touch without a protective  'skin', but still very usable with a skin.  I've been thinking of switching to Dvorak and giving it a try with a Dvorak skin. 

Niel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 21:47, Chester Alderman <aldermant at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I, obviously, am not Niel, however I have been using Dvorak key layout boards for some 30 years and will share my experience with you.
> 
> With a standard QWERTY keyboard layout, I never could get my typing speed much over 45 wpm and since I developed an interest in operating CW at QRQ speeds, or in excess of 60 to 120 wpm, I had to find something better! It took me about four to six months to get my typing speed up to about 60 wpm, but much less time to exceed 100 wpm and I maxed out at about 130 wpm. Unfortunately at that time I was working as a computer specialist, providing computer support to PC users in the FDA. I got several quizzical stares when I began typing with two fingers on a QWERTY standard keyboard and numerous times had to explain how I could provide PC support and only type with two fingers! So my answer to your second question is in my experience I could never switch between a Dvorak board and a QWERTY board.
> 
> Other than the ability to correctly type over 100 wpm is the fact that Professor Dvorak had performed serious study into key placement, changing the high percentage of keystrokes from the left hand to where both the left and right hand had more equal percentage of keystrokes for typing common words of the English language; and he moved the highest percentage of keystrokes from the two outer fingers of each hand to the two inner fingers of each hand. There are reasons for this, but with a QWERTY keyboard one can type some 90 words of the English language without lifting your eight fingers off of the home keys and with a Dvorak key placement board one can type some 3000 words of the English language without lifting the eight fingers off of the home keys. Also because of less wrist movement with a Dvorak board, carpel (sp?) tunnel syndrome is eliminated. Since Dvorak keyboards have never been accepted (because of folks total dislike of change!!) by industry, these efficient keyboards are very difficult to find.
> 
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gennett
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 4:15 PM
> To: Niel Skousen
> Cc: Elecraft Mailer
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? Re: Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod
> 
> Just curious, Niel, how long did it take you to get use to the new keyboard layout?  And, is this the only keyboard you use, or are you using this at work and a more traditional QWERTY style at home?
> 
> Tim K9WX
> 
> 
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From scuba9829 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 11:13:38 2016
From: scuba9829 at yahoo.com (Grady Harper)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:13:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] The Sale
Message-ID: <67CBF6E6-1FAC-4815-BF09-F0487E1D94EF@yahoo.com>

When does the sale end?
AJ4YA
Grady

Sent from my iPad

From awong at comcast.net  Sat Nov 26 11:45:52 2016
From: awong at comcast.net (awong at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 16:45:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <898BA0A6-5F91-4BB7-87E6-9C950C9A7B15@mac.com>
References: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<f362e2d8-e35f-bf17-6fc1-4975f90f2fe9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<898BA0A6-5F91-4BB7-87E6-9C950C9A7B15@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1882891058.52629651.1480178752123.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Ditto!! 
We must remember that ham radio is pretty much a niche market; and for firms like Elecraft I don't think they have the big margins like the big boys like Icon or Yaesau have. Has anyone noticed the steady drop in price of the Icom 7300 since it was introduced at the beginning of the year? Makes you think what the true of the price is. $70.00 is not a lot but it might get that guy eyeing a K3s to to buy it with the knowledge that there will be another price drop next month (hopefully), Just my 2 cents. 
73 
Alan KK6WA 




From: "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> 
To: "Jim Brown" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 1:38:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday 

Ditto!! 


> On Nov 25, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote: 
> 
> Think about it -- those who offer large discounts for special sales are not losing money, they have large markups built in, and are simply reducing them for that sale. Elecraft sells direct, with no commission to "dealers" who do nothing but ship boxes in and out the door, and they price their products as low as they can and still stay in business. Remember that the equipment they sell must support telephone support, a service department to do both in-warranty and out of warranty repairs, engineers who work on the design of future products, others who do the work to put those designs into production, administrative people who do the billing, customer contact, purchasing of parts, accounting, filing tax returns, and so on. 
> 
> As a ham for 60 years, I've watched dozens of ham companies go out of business because they didn't understand their market, or priced their products too low or too high, failed to treat customers with respect, and so on. Ten Tec and Alpha are two formerly great US companies that have failed to make a profit and "reorganized." The remains of both companies have been acquired by companies 3-6 times removed from the originals, and the acquirers are trying to get going again. Both are skeleton operations, doing their best to service legacy products. 
> 
> I'm happy to pay Elecraft whatever Eric and Wayne think they need to stay in business, support existing customers, and continue to lead the industry. The level at which they have chosen to work ain't cheap. If you want a big discount, go to HRO's website and look at their "deal" on a TS590SG. 
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC 
> 
> On Fri,11/25/2016 1:04 PM, Paul Clay via Elecraft wrote: 
>> Level of discount silly and not at all in keeping with the concept of a &quot;Black Friday&quot; sale, IMHO. 
> 
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From k9yeq at live.com  Sat Nov 26 11:55:11 2016
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 16:55:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <1882891058.52629651.1480178752123.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
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And free shipping!  That can be a big deal as well.   I would rather not have the discounts, but more new great products.
73,

Have a great day!
Bill J



On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM -0600, "awong at comcast.net" <awong at comcast.net<mailto:awong at comcast.net>> wrote:


Ditto!!
We must remember that ham radio is pretty much a niche market; and for firms like Elecraft I don't think they have the big margins like the big boys like Icon or Yaesau have. Has anyone noticed the steady drop in price of the Icom 7300 since it was introduced at the beginning of the year? Makes you think what the true of the price is. $70.00 is not a lot but it might get that guy eyeing a K3s to to buy it with the knowledge that there will be another price drop next month (hopefully), Just my 2 cents.
73
Alan KK6WA




From: "Phil Hystad"
To: "Jim Brown"
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 1:38:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday

Ditto!!


> On Nov 25, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
>
> Think about it -- those who offer large discounts for special sales are not losing money, they have large markups built in, and are simply reducing them for that sale. Elecraft sells direct, with no commission to "dealers" who do nothing but ship boxes in and out the door, and they price their products as low as they can and still stay in business. Remember that the equipment they sell must support telephone support, a service department to do both in-warranty and out of warranty repairs, engineers who work on the design of future products, others who do the work to put those designs into production, administrative people who do the billing, customer contact, purchasing of parts, accounting, filing tax returns, and so on.
>
> As a ham for 60 years, I've watched dozens of ham companies go out of business because they didn't understand their market, or priced their products too low or too high, failed to treat customers with respect, and so on. Ten Tec and Alpha are two formerly great US companies that have failed to make a profit and "reorganized." The remains of both companies have been acquired by companies 3-6 times removed from the originals, and the acquirers are trying to get going again. Both are skeleton operations, doing their best to service legacy products.
>
> I'm happy to pay Elecraft whatever Eric and Wayne think they need to stay in business, support existing customers, and continue to lead the industry. The level at which they have chosen to work ain't cheap. If you want a big discount, go to HRO's website and look at their "deal" on a TS590SG.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On Fri,11/25/2016 1:04 PM, Paul Clay via Elecraft wrote:
>> Level of discount silly and not at all in keeping with the concept of a "Black Friday" sale, IMHO.
>
>
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From nc3z at outlook.com  Sat Nov 26 15:25:53 2016
From: nc3z at outlook.com (NC3Z Gary)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 20:25:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 for sale
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Message-ID: <SN1PR0601MB1710517300083AFFBD619E2298880@SN1PR0601MB1710.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Just sold my KX3 station but new owner did not want the PX3. Saving up 
for a K3S.

Includes:
Gems products Side KX Panel
Nifty PX3 Stand
Logitech K360 wireless keyboard

$450 shipped conus.


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15

From n2cn at siegel.org  Sat Nov 26 16:49:28 2016
From: n2cn at siegel.org (Andrew Siegel)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 16:49:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Workaround for FPF Firmware Load Failure: Cool it
 down in the fridge first
Message-ID: <583A0368.7060607@siegel.org>

My K3 (s/n 6000+) has developed the FPF Load failure problem: the K3 
Utility times out after a few minutes when trying to update the FPF 
firmware, leaving "FPF Load" showing on the K3 display, and leaving the 
K3 unusable.

This happens on Windows, Mac, and Linux, using three different 
high-quality USB-to-serial adapters: Keyspan USA-19HS, Tripp Lite 
U209-000-R, and Plugable PL2303-DB9. I can upgrade the MCU and DSP 
firmware without a problem. The FPF load fails regardless of the version 
of the K3 utility I use, the version of MCU or DSP firmware already 
installed on the K3, or the version of FPF firmware that I am attempting 
to install.

In a panic after seeing the FPF load failure just before this past Field 
Day, I came up with a workaround that has worked twice now:

==> Put the K3 in the fridge for an hour or two before doing the FPF 
firmware upgrade.

On my K3, the FPF load fails when the front panel temperature is even at 
my relatively low house temperature of 19C (as displayed on the front 
panel). The longer the K3 has been powered up, the warmer the FP gets, 
and the less time it takes for an FPF firmware load to fail. When I 
activate View->Trace in the K3 Utility and watch the serial interaction 
under these conditions, I observe that the rig starts taking longer and 
longer to acknowledge packets sent, until finally it stops ACKing 
completely, at which point the utility gives up.

When I refrigerate the K3, the reported FP temperature drops to 9C, and 
the FPF firmware load works reliably. There are no dropped ACKs.

Your mileage may vary; refrigerate your K3 at your own risk, and 
definitely do not freeze it.

73,
Andy, N2CN

From eric at elecraft.com  Sat Nov 26 17:30:05 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:30:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <d1812355-f9ad-3c95-2fd4-7a13612a1440@montac.com>
References: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<d1812355-f9ad-3c95-2fd4-7a13612a1440@montac.com>
Message-ID: <59B52E36-EFF5-4047-8CD8-D83ED07F8935@elecraft.com>

Folks, direct attacks on others are way outside of the Elecraft list guidelines.

Please keep it civil.

73,

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._

> 


From yo8saw at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 17:53:54 2016
From: yo8saw at gmail.com (Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 00:53:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes ---)
Message-ID: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>

Hello,

This is my first message to this mailing list, so please be gentle!

During the summer and autumn I built my first ever kit: the K1-2 (#3449) + KAT1. Everything worked surprisingly well (being a first-timer and all), I never had any problems. Until now. It seems that I failed in my ?build-without-help? venture :)

A few days ago I completed building the KNB1 option and when I got to the ?Initial Test? phase I noticed that in the menu, instead of HI/LO/OFF I can only see three dashes (---). The instructions say that the K1 firmware has not detected the noise blanker module and that a possible cause may be that the U3 was soldered in backwards. I assume that?s a mistake - there is no U3. Just a U1, and it?s soldered properly.

Some details:

- The K1 firmware is revision 109
- The KNB1 PCB is revision Cr
- U1 on KNB1 has a small paper label with ?NB 1.02? written on it
- Turning the trimmer C2 on KNB1 does vary the band noise and received signal strength
- There is continuity from KNB1 U1 pins 3/4 to the front panel U1 pin 8 (6R/AUX) - around 182 ohms
- The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 1 (VDD) and GND is 6.03V
- The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 5 and GND is 5.59V (this is the 6V switch for the noise blanker)

That?s about as much information as I can think of right now.

Has anyone else encountered the same issue before? At the moment I?m thinking that KNB1 U1 may be defective, but I don?t know how to make sure. I would appreciate some assistance in solving this.

Many thanks for taking the time to read this message!

73,
Bogdan YO8SAW

From k9yeq at live.com  Sat Nov 26 18:38:49 2016
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 23:38:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Workaround for FPF Firmware Load Failure: Cool
 it down in the fridge first
In-Reply-To: <583A0368.7060607@siegel.org>
References: <583A0368.7060607@siegel.org>
Message-ID: <SC1P152MB17269EBC1D4C6AC534CF72AF9C880@SC1P152MB1726.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

That is usually a technique for determining a board or component issue.
Been around a long time.  You have a component issue.  Good luck.  Me, I
would send it to the factory for troubleshooting.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
Siegel
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:49 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Workaround for FPF Firmware Load Failure: Cool it
down in the fridge first

My K3 (s/n 6000+) has developed the FPF Load failure problem: the K3 Utility
times out after a few minutes when trying to update the FPF firmware,
leaving "FPF Load" showing on the K3 display, and leaving the
K3 unusable.

This happens on Windows, Mac, and Linux, using three different high-quality
USB-to-serial adapters: Keyspan USA-19HS, Tripp Lite U209-000-R, and
Plugable PL2303-DB9. I can upgrade the MCU and DSP firmware without a
problem. The FPF load fails regardless of the version of the K3 utility I
use, the version of MCU or DSP firmware already installed on the K3, or the
version of FPF firmware that I am attempting to install.

In a panic after seeing the FPF load failure just before this past Field
Day, I came up with a workaround that has worked twice now:

==> Put the K3 in the fridge for an hour or two before doing the FPF
firmware upgrade.

On my K3, the FPF load fails when the front panel temperature is even at my
relatively low house temperature of 19C (as displayed on the front panel).
The longer the K3 has been powered up, the warmer the FP gets, and the less
time it takes for an FPF firmware load to fail. When I activate View->Trace
in the K3 Utility and watch the serial interaction under these conditions, I
observe that the rig starts taking longer and longer to acknowledge packets
sent, until finally it stops ACKing completely, at which point the utility
gives up.

When I refrigerate the K3, the reported FP temperature drops to 9C, and the
FPF firmware load works reliably. There are no dropped ACKs.

Your mileage may vary; refrigerate your K3 at your own risk, and definitely
do not freeze it.

73,
Andy, N2CN
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Nov 26 18:51:20 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 15:51:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes
	---)
In-Reply-To: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
References: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501d2483f$fcf72300$f6e56900$@biz>

Hello Bogdan:

You message caused me to perk up because I maintain a lot of the Elecraft manuals, but that one predates my work and I never built the K1. So all I can offer is a couple of possibilities:

1) Is the module plugged in correctly. Are all the pins mated and the module is not offset leaving one of the end pins hanging outside the connector? 

2) There should have been an errata sheet shipped with your manual. Did you get it, and if so did you follow its instructions? If for some reason you don't have the errata, you can download it here:
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740022E%20KNB1%20Rev%20C-3.pdf
 
3) Don, W3FPR, is an expert on the rigs and may respond to you at any time depending upon his schedule. 

4) Drop an e-mail to support at elecraft.com Monday if you don't find a solution before then. 

Good luck and have fun!

73, Ron AC7AC


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 2:54 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes ---)

Hello,

This is my first message to this mailing list, so please be gentle!

During the summer and autumn I built my first ever kit: the K1-2 (#3449) + KAT1. Everything worked surprisingly well (being a first-timer and all), I never had any problems. Until now. It seems that I failed in my ?build-without-help? venture :)

A few days ago I completed building the KNB1 option and when I got to the ?Initial Test? phase I noticed that in the menu, instead of HI/LO/OFF I can only see three dashes (---). The instructions say that the K1 firmware has not detected the noise blanker module and that a possible cause may be that the U3 was soldered in backwards. I assume that?s a mistake - there is no U3. Just a U1, and it?s soldered properly.

Some details:

- The K1 firmware is revision 109
- The KNB1 PCB is revision Cr
- U1 on KNB1 has a small paper label with ?NB 1.02? written on it
- Turning the trimmer C2 on KNB1 does vary the band noise and received signal strength
- There is continuity from KNB1 U1 pins 3/4 to the front panel U1 pin 8 (6R/AUX) - around 182 ohms
- The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 1 (VDD) and GND is 6.03V
- The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 5 and GND is 5.59V (this is the 6V switch for the noise blanker)

That?s about as much information as I can think of right now.

Has anyone else encountered the same issue before? At the moment I?m thinking that KNB1 U1 may be defective, but I don?t know how to make sure. I would appreciate some assistance in solving this.

Many thanks for taking the time to read this message!

73,
Bogdan YO8SAW
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From n2cn at siegel.org  Sat Nov 26 19:11:32 2016
From: n2cn at siegel.org (Andrew Siegel)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Workaround for FPF Firmware Load Failure: Cool
 it down in the fridge first
In-Reply-To: <SC1P152MB17269EBC1D4C6AC534CF72AF9C880@SC1P152MB1726.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <583A0368.7060607@siegel.org>
	<SC1P152MB17269EBC1D4C6AC534CF72AF9C880@SC1P152MB1726.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <583A24B4.9050200@siegel.org>

Agreed. It's a workaround, not a fix.


On 11/26/16 6:38 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> That is usually a technique for determining a board or component issue.
> Been around a long time.  You have a component issue.  Good luck.  Me, I
> would send it to the factory for troubleshooting.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Siegel
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:49 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Workaround for FPF Firmware Load Failure: Cool it
> down in the fridge first
>
> My K3 (s/n 6000+) has developed the FPF Load failure problem: the K3 Utility
> times out after a few minutes when trying to update the FPF firmware,
> leaving "FPF Load" showing on the K3 display, and leaving the
> K3 unusable.
>
> This happens on Windows, Mac, and Linux, using three different high-quality
> USB-to-serial adapters: Keyspan USA-19HS, Tripp Lite U209-000-R, and
> Plugable PL2303-DB9. I can upgrade the MCU and DSP firmware without a
> problem. The FPF load fails regardless of the version of the K3 utility I
> use, the version of MCU or DSP firmware already installed on the K3, or the
> version of FPF firmware that I am attempting to install.
>
> In a panic after seeing the FPF load failure just before this past Field
> Day, I came up with a workaround that has worked twice now:
>
> ==> Put the K3 in the fridge for an hour or two before doing the FPF
> firmware upgrade.
>
> On my K3, the FPF load fails when the front panel temperature is even at my
> relatively low house temperature of 19C (as displayed on the front panel).
> The longer the K3 has been powered up, the warmer the FP gets, and the less
> time it takes for an FPF firmware load to fail. When I activate View->Trace
> in the K3 Utility and watch the serial interaction under these conditions, I
> observe that the rig starts taking longer and longer to acknowledge packets
> sent, until finally it stops ACKing completely, at which point the utility
> gives up.
>
> When I refrigerate the K3, the reported FP temperature drops to 9C, and the
> FPF firmware load works reliably. There are no dropped ACKs.
>
> Your mileage may vary; refrigerate your K3 at your own risk, and definitely
> do not freeze it.
>
> 73,
> Andy, N2CN
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From hk3j.dx at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 19:12:37 2016
From: hk3j.dx at gmail.com (German Duran)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:12:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <59B52E36-EFF5-4047-8CD8-D83ED07F8935@elecraft.com>
References: <1480107887.9912.YahooMailMobile@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<d1812355-f9ad-3c95-2fd4-7a13612a1440@montac.com>
	<59B52E36-EFF5-4047-8CD8-D83ED07F8935@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAEJf59g8NP1m14ECs2ZRe2-k_d1h3zBeE4L8U6+OkcA-fP2wuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues, I started this BlackFriday issue in an ironic way. But I
want to say that I am a proud owner of an Elecfat K3s radio and when I have
needed technical support they have provided it to me in a timely manner. I
want to break a lance for Elecraft and say that what several colleagues
have said shows that there is customer satisfaction with the products. I
apologize if I have disturbed anyone with my comment. German HK3J

2016-11-26 17:30 GMT-05:00 Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com
>:

> Folks, direct attacks on others are way outside of the Elecraft list
> guidelines.
>
> Please keep it civil.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
>
> >
>
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From yo8saw at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 19:38:38 2016
From: yo8saw at gmail.com (Bogdan Lazanu)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 02:38:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes
	---)
In-Reply-To: <000501d2483f$fcf72300$f6e56900$@biz>
References: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
	<000501d2483f$fcf72300$f6e56900$@biz>
Message-ID: <3310B340-2792-4DFD-BB6C-015733CB492F@gmail.com>

Hi Ron,

Thanks for your reply! 

Yes, the connectors are correctly mated. In fact the available space for the KNB1 module is so tight, I don't even think that it can be offset by one pin. As for the errata, I do have it and I followed its instructions. 

I won't write to support just yet, maybe someone will be able to help here. 

73,
Bogdan YO8SAW

> On 27 Nov 2016, at 01:51, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bogdan:
> 
> You message caused me to perk up because I maintain a lot of the Elecraft manuals, but that one predates my work and I never built the K1. So all I can offer is a couple of possibilities:
> 
> 1) Is the module plugged in correctly. Are all the pins mated and the module is not offset leaving one of the end pins hanging outside the connector? 
> 
> 2) There should have been an errata sheet shipped with your manual. Did you get it, and if so did you follow its instructions? If for some reason you don't have the errata, you can download it here:
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740022E%20KNB1%20Rev%20C-3.pdf
> 
> 3) Don, W3FPR, is an expert on the rigs and may respond to you at any time depending upon his schedule. 
> 
> 4) Drop an e-mail to support at elecraft.com Monday if you don't find a solution before then. 
> 
> Good luck and have fun!
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 2:54 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes ---)
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This is my first message to this mailing list, so please be gentle!
> 
> During the summer and autumn I built my first ever kit: the K1-2 (#3449) + KAT1. Everything worked surprisingly well (being a first-timer and all), I never had any problems. Until now. It seems that I failed in my ?build-without-help? venture :)
> 
> A few days ago I completed building the KNB1 option and when I got to the ?Initial Test? phase I noticed that in the menu, instead of HI/LO/OFF I can only see three dashes (---). The instructions say that the K1 firmware has not detected the noise blanker module and that a possible cause may be that the U3 was soldered in backwards. I assume that?s a mistake - there is no U3. Just a U1, and it?s soldered properly.
> 
> Some details:
> 
> - The K1 firmware is revision 109
> - The KNB1 PCB is revision Cr
> - U1 on KNB1 has a small paper label with ?NB 1.02? written on it
> - Turning the trimmer C2 on KNB1 does vary the band noise and received signal strength
> - There is continuity from KNB1 U1 pins 3/4 to the front panel U1 pin 8 (6R/AUX) - around 182 ohms
> - The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 1 (VDD) and GND is 6.03V
> - The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 5 and GND is 5.59V (this is the 6V switch for the noise blanker)
> 
> That?s about as much information as I can think of right now.
> 
> Has anyone else encountered the same issue before? At the moment I?m thinking that KNB1 U1 may be defective, but I don?t know how to make sure. I would appreciate some assistance in solving this.
> 
> Many thanks for taking the time to read this message!
> 
> 73,
> Bogdan YO8SAW
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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Nov 26 20:01:41 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 20:01:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <CAEJf59g8NP1m14ECs2ZRe2-k_d1h3zBeE4L8U6+OkcA-fP2wuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEJf59g8NP1m14ECs2ZRe2-k_d1h3zBeE4L8U6+OkcA-fP2wuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54abbc1f-63cd-4b02-2c5e-b934aa8a2dc4@nycap.rr.com>

Wow - what a friendly bunch! Kind of like some of the help I have 
received over the past few years on this site and via private email.

I can tell you that a few dollars off, when it comes to buying an 
expensive piece of equipment, will not make or break a deal for me. I 
either want the equipment, because it is able to suit my specific needs, 
or I do not. A few dollars one way or the other might be nice, but it 
will not influence my final choice.

So far as Elecraft is concerned, when the chips have been down - I have 
ALWAYS received quick and accurate help from the factory. Sometimes by 
email and sometimes by phone. You will not get this one-on-one attention 
from the so called "big manufacturers."

I am just not into squeezing pennies - I just desire great quality 
products!

Bill W2BLC K-Line


From k9yeq at live.com  Sat Nov 26 20:27:17 2016
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 01:27:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <54abbc1f-63cd-4b02-2c5e-b934aa8a2dc4@nycap.rr.com>
References: <CAEJf59g8NP1m14ECs2ZRe2-k_d1h3zBeE4L8U6+OkcA-fP2wuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54abbc1f-63cd-4b02-2c5e-b934aa8a2dc4@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <SC1P152MB1726FF835027C7452B8F2D959C8B0@SC1P152MB1726.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

As a HAM of 66+ years... Elecraft is the best when it comes to technology,
pricing for quality and the THE BEST customer service.  Of all the equipment
I have owned this company is the best and I will them along fruitful life,
at least unitl I am dead :-).  (I figure I will be around ~15-20 years.)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 7:02 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday

Wow - what a friendly bunch! Kind of like some of the help I have received
over the past few years on this site and via private email.

I can tell you that a few dollars off, when it comes to buying an expensive
piece of equipment, will not make or break a deal for me. I either want the
equipment, because it is able to suit my specific needs, or I do not. A few
dollars one way or the other might be nice, but it will not influence my
final choice.

So far as Elecraft is concerned, when the chips have been down - I have
ALWAYS received quick and accurate help from the factory. Sometimes by email
and sometimes by phone. You will not get this one-on-one attention from the
so called "big manufacturers."

I am just not into squeezing pennies - I just desire great quality products!

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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From kp4y at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 20:37:19 2016
From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 20:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <54abbc1f-63cd-4b02-2c5e-b934aa8a2dc4@nycap.rr.com>
References: <CAEJf59g8NP1m14ECs2ZRe2-k_d1h3zBeE4L8U6+OkcA-fP2wuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54abbc1f-63cd-4b02-2c5e-b934aa8a2dc4@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B5DC8BD3-870C-4C50-BBA0-E6B8CCD925FE@yahoo.com>

> 

On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> You will not get this one-on-one attention from the so called "big manufacturers."

Just for the record, I keep hearing this argument on this reflector, but it seems like nobody ever backs this up with the specific issues. While I agree that Elecraft's customer service is outstanding, I have never had any problems with the customer service from the "big manufacturers" 

Yaesu replaced an OLED on my FTDX5K free of charge after 4 years and Kenwood fixed a problem with the ALC free of charge on my TS-590S sometime after the warranty expired. 

Someone will claim that they were morally (not contractually) obligated to correct the problems because these are know issues on both of these transceivers. Regardless, the point is that they provide the customer service when I needed it and they took responsibility for the problems. I know that there are folks who haven't had the same experience as me and I know that there will be some folks that have had negative experiences with Elecraft (i have seen some emails on this reflector) 

I believe that one can be a huge fan of Elecraft without losing objectivity.

73,
Robert-KP4Y/W4
> 
> 
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From w7aqk at cox.net  Sat Nov 26 22:38:41 2016
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 20:38:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A Word About Discounts
Message-ID: <58C67E7CF91A40C8B471C0F54DC25C5E@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

Hi All,

No need to get too critical, or overly exuberant, about Elecraft's Black 
Friday Special.  If you were about to pull the trigger on an order, or fence 
sitting perhaps, this may be just what you needed for a little boost.  That 
is exactly what the discount is intended to do!  If it works for you, take 
it and run!   Clearly there are dollars that can be saved, and it's not 
necessarily just lunch money either.

2%+ isn't exactly the typical Black Friday discount, but anything is 
welcome.  Probably anybody who isn't "moved" by the amount of it wasn't 
really that close to buying something anyway.  It's a funny thing about 
discounts--when the percentage gets big it often motivates us to buy 
something we might not really need all that much!!!

No need to "thank" Elecraft for this event--I'm certain there is a profit 
motive to it all.  For one thing, the "cost" to them on a per item basis, 
after tax, is only about half of the stated discount amount.  Not a biggie. 
However, if they encourage enough folks to get off the fence, the overall 
benefit to them is surely positive, not negative.  No charity here--no 
"detached generosity".  There is absolutely no benefit to them in cutting a 
price, even a little bit, if the overall effect isn't positive.  In your 
eyes they may be giving you something, which is good, but they also should 
be getting more.

Some products are priced artificially high so that frequent discounts can be 
offered.  This makes you think you are getting a deal when you probably are 
not!  I don't think Elecraft does that kind of pricing at all.  They have 
made their own calculation of a price point, and pretty much stick to it. 
Also, they don't work through dealers, so there is no competitive pricing 
activity going on.  You just have to assume they have set their prices 
astutely, balancing supply and demand, and insuring a healthy result for 
themselves.

Much of this Black Friday thing is a hoax anyway.  Many items in stores are 
"limited" as to available quantity, so the cost of it all is pretty 
determinable.  The kicker is that they want to get you in the door to spend 
more money on other things, thus boosting profits overall.  Apparently it 
works!  A lot of psychology involved here.  It puts people in a buying mood, 
and besides, it's the season for that.  It jump starts everything.  Just 
don't lose sight of the fact that, like Las Vegas, the advantage is always 
with "The House".  In this case the vendors have the real advantage, but if 
you genuinely "save" some bucks, good for you!  It's kind of like going to 
the grocery store without a definitive list--you often end up with more than 
you need.  I'm susceptible to that, and to discounts too, and I bet a lot of 
other folks are as well.

Dave W7AQK



From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Nov 26 22:50:43 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:50:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Customer Support WAS: Elecraft black friday
In-Reply-To: <B5DC8BD3-870C-4C50-BBA0-E6B8CCD925FE@yahoo.com>
References: <CAEJf59g8NP1m14ECs2ZRe2-k_d1h3zBeE4L8U6+OkcA-fP2wuQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54abbc1f-63cd-4b02-2c5e-b934aa8a2dc4@nycap.rr.com>
	<B5DC8BD3-870C-4C50-BBA0-E6B8CCD925FE@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d24861$6de1d530$49a57f90$@biz>

Robert, KP4Y/W4 wrote:
... While I agree that Elecraft's customer service is outstanding, I have
never had any problems with the customer service from the "big
manufacturers"

-------------------------
That is generally my experience too. Way back in the 1960's I wanted to
overhaul my aging National HRO-5TA1 receiver. It was over 20 years old -
manufactured in 1940 or 41. I needed a schematic. (Remember, this was 1960's
- the world wide web didn't exist for at least 20 years). So I wrote a
letter to National company asking if I could possibly buy the schematic
(yes, "wrote" - e-mail was still decades away). A few weeks passed and a
big, thick envelope appeared in my mailbox. Inside was a complete Owner's
manual for my HRO, with schematic, and a very nice note. It was from a woman
who worked for National. She apologized for the delay but, she explained, my
receiver was so old it was decades out of production, so she had spent
several of her lunch hours digging through the company archive files in a
warehouse to find this manual. She hoped it provided what I needed. It
certainly did, and more. Her note ended with "no charge, of course". 

I have always believed that we get up every morning wanting to have a good
day. For the majority of us it means doing an excellent job, sometimes going
an "extra mile" for someone we don't even know. I will never forget her
effort and kindness.  

In my 16 years of association with Elecraft as an independent contractor, I
have found that they also consistently follow that customer support goal.
Elecraft may not be unique, but they are absolutely worth supporting.

73, Ron AC7AC




From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 27 00:07:51 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 21:07:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net partial cancellation
Message-ID: <8ef94485-f4db-558e-349f-790fc3291e89@coho.net>

Good Evening,

      CQ world DX contest is everywhere I have looked.  This contest 
will continue until 2400z on the 27th.  Tomorrow's twenty meter net will 
be cancelled.  There should be room for the second net on 40 meters.

     Just yesterday I had a contact into AK on 30 meters.  As we went 
along he dropped farther into the noise on QSB dips.  Even with the 
noise I was copying almost everything.  On the peaks I could copy the CW 
tones but during the troughs I was copying the breaks in the steady 
hiss.  When you think about it this shouldn't be possible.  Am I making 
this up or do other folks copy breaks in the hiss too?  It may be due to 
the 2500+ hours we have spent on the air together; better than ESP :)

Please join us tomorrow on:

      7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 27 00:43:48 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 05:43:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] Ability to copy very weak signals
References: <349158864.891997.1480225428445.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <349158864.891997.1480225428445@mail.yahoo.com>


How are your 'ears'-- your ability to copy very weak CW signals?

Here's a way to "measure" your ears. You'll need your panadapter set to a narrow span such as 2 kHz. Turn on averaging so that the noise flattens out to allow you to estimate the true level of the noise. Use a full-screen vertical scale of just a few dB to make it easy to measure small signals just above the noise. 

Whatever your noise floor is, when a signal creates a 3 dB "bump" above the noise floor, that means the signal and noise are equal (because if you add two equal powers you get twice the power, which is a 3 dB bump). We call this condition a "signal-to-noise ratio of 0 dB".

Now tune around the band to find very weak signals and see how much of a bump they make. Here are some rough rules of thumb, rounded off for simplicity:

Height of bump above noise        S/N ratio

6 dB                                 5 dB
5                                    3 dB
4 dB                                                        2 dB
3.5 dB                               1 dB
3 dB                                                        0 dB
2.5 dB                                                 -1 dB
2 dB                                                     -2 dB
1.8 dB                                                 -3 dB


I listed some negative S/N ratios because I've heard of folks who can copy signals below the noise floor! That's crazy!

In any case, this is a very approximate measurement, but it's fun having some idea how well you can actually copy CW at phenomenally low levels.



Al  W6LX

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 08:46:56 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:46:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 software controlled bandswitching
Message-ID: <CALHj_b_jw5q7+TpLMPR7xiMZXLWWLK7rbdBVPBBHTJtLU+7jiw@mail.gmail.com>

Other than DDUtil and TRX-Manager, are there any other software logging
programs out there that directly support the KPA500 so the
amp automatically tracks the frequency of whatever rig is interfaced to the
software?

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU

From lists at subich.com  Sun Nov 27 09:20:12 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 09:20:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 software controlled bandswitching
In-Reply-To: <CALHj_b_jw5q7+TpLMPR7xiMZXLWWLK7rbdBVPBBHTJtLU+7jiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHj_b_jw5q7+TpLMPR7xiMZXLWWLK7rbdBVPBBHTJtLU+7jiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <311b7ab7-2133-5ec7-a0c2-e8dd6e566628@subich.com>


DXLab Suite (DXKeeper/CI-V Commander) can be configured to support
an amplifier - either using a CI-V converter on a USB/serial port 
(Secondary CAT Serial Port) or or using BCD output on a parallel
port (Frequency Dependent Device).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/27/2016 8:46 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
> Other than DDUtil and TRX-Manager, are there any other software logging
> programs out there that directly support the KPA500 so the
> amp automatically tracks the frequency of whatever rig is interfaced to the
> software?
>
> Thanks & 73,
> Barry N1EU
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From kf5wbs at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 09:23:31 2016
From: kf5wbs at yahoo.com (Tom branton)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:23:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale
Message-ID: <B91A914B-B7E7-4FE8-9871-7912AE1E71BE@yahoo.com>

I have my K3/100 (serial number 61--) with KAT3; KXV3A; KBPF3; KFLA-400; 
KFLA-1.8; KFLA-2.8; KFLA-6; and KSYN3A for sale. It has been my backup rig and 
has seen little use. It has all the updates and has the new KSYN3A board 
installed. It is in mint shape and never seen cigarette smoke. Includes hand mike, power cord and power supply. I am asking $2,400.
plus shipping continental USA from 75964. E-mail me 
if interested. Thanks, Tom KF5WBS


From genebit at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov 27 11:15:04 2016
From: genebit at bellsouth.net (Dave KW4M)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 09:15:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 antenna tuner intermittent operation
In-Reply-To: <C9C890D8-375A-45BA-97AE-141B39FBE33E@elecraft.com>
References: <1367482616129-7573335.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<C9C890D8-375A-45BA-97AE-141B39FBE33E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1480263304835-7624286.post@n2.nabble.com>

I experienced a related issue with the KX2 ATU during the CQ WW contest this
weekend.

After a frequency change during search-and-pounce, I would send my call,
KW4M.  What was actually transmitted was KM4M.  The first dit in the second
letter was chopped off.  I could hear what sounded like a relay click when
this happened.

This happened on multiple occasions.  Subsequent transmissions were fine
until another significant QSY.

The CW keying was computer-generated at 25 WPM.

-Dave


KW4M
wayne burdick wrote
> Ralf,
> 
> Like the K3's ATU, the KX3's ATU stores up to 32 segments of LC data on
> each band. On 160 m the segments are 10 kHz wide (1800-1810, 1810-1820,
> etc.). Anytime you move the VFO into a new segment, then transmit, the ATU
> will reload the last-used LC data for that segment (or the closest segment
> for which data has been stored). If the data is the same as for the
> previous segment, nothing will change. If it's different, the LC data will
> be sent to the ATU's relays, and the "ATU" icon will flash. 
> 
> Note that this will not happen until after you pause 1/2 second in your
> transmission. This way we don't mess up the timing on your first
> transmission if you were in CW mode.
> 
> My guess is that you moved the VFO into a new segment where you had
> previously tuned up into a different load, so that the LC data was a
> little different. 
> 
> There are a couple of things you might want to do. If you changed
> antennas, you can optionally go into the ATU MD menu entry and hold CLR to
> erase all of the ATU LC data for the current band. Then retune the ATU in
> the part of the band you use, as needed (when SWR is high). 
> 
> A more exhaustive approach might be useful if the antenna's SWR varies
> widely across the band (often the case on 160 m): Tune up the ATU ahead of
> time on every segment. That is, set the VFO to about 1805, tune the ATU,
> then move to 1815 and tune the ATU, etc. This is usually overkill, but it
> would optimize the LC settings ahead of time for a narrowband antenna.
> 
> You might try the above and let me know what happens.
> 
> Another possibility is that you simply have very high SWR resulting in
> RFI. If that were the case, reducing power to a couple of watts would
> reduce RFI and the symptoms would go away (or at least be different). My
> guess is that this is not what's happening; you're just seeing the ATU
> retune in new segments.
> 
> I'll also send you our latest field-test firmware which is likely to be
> released as beta later today (rev 1.47). It has significant stability
> improvements that could have some bearing on ATU-related problems.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On May 2, 2013, at 1:16 AM, DL6OAP &lt;

> Ralf@

> &gt; wrote:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> I received my KX3 one week ago and had some fun yesterday with it and an
>> end-fed wire antenna roughly 20 mtrs long. The ATU worked great on
>> getting
>> the SWR down to 1:1 (not on 160) but there was an issue that concerns me:
>> while transmitting, the ATU icon in the display went flashing and the SWR
>> changed?.
> 
> 
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From mike at ve3yf.com  Sun Nov 27 13:58:36 2016
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:58:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft black friday
Message-ID: <9567c77e-1d97-4186-b7df-7ed4678c2f0c@getmailbird.com>

Actually $70 off on this price of a K3S is not all that bad of a deal, but to sweeten the pot with free shipping anywhere in North America is even better. That could mean up to around almost $200 off depending on where you live.

Now I just have to wing that by the boss....


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com
[http://www.ve3yf.com/]

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov 27 15:55:12 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:55:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] Ability to copy very weak signals
In-Reply-To: <349158864.891997.1480225428445@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <349158864.891997.1480225428445.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<349158864.891997.1480225428445@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16d5d63d-b827-bbaa-4749-a9032eef81a5@foothill.net>

"Doing science with your P3"  Nice idea Al! [:-)  What actually gets 
delivered to our ears is signal plus noise.  At the "ear end" of the 
receive chain, there are things we can do to increase the ratio of
(s+n)/n by either decreasing n or increasing s, or both.

Several techniques in addition to reducing the BW will, to varying 
degrees, accomplish this:  The K3 AFX, RIT, RF/AF gain, inverting the 
phase of one headphone [my Heil Proset does this], moving one or both 
headphones forward on your head, or laying the headphones on the table 
face up on the desk can reduce or modify the noise and raise the ratio 
(s+n)/n as you perceive it with your ears.

I guess that headphones on the desk rather than on your ears forces the 
noise into the background to a greater extent than the desired signal, 
but I've never really heard a good explanation of why that works.

My hearing is admittedly significantly compromised but many hams tend to 
be in the older rather than younger population, and with birthdays 
passing, so does hearing.  On CW, judicious use of RIT can place the 
s-component at a peak in hearing acuity without modifying the 
n-component, raising the perceived (s+n)/n.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/26/2016 9:43 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>
> How are your 'ears'-- your ability to copy very weak CW signals?
>
> Here's a way to "measure" your ears. You'll need your panadapter set
> to a narrow span such as 2 kHz. Turn on averaging so that the noise
> flattens out to allow you to estimate the true level of the noise.
> Use a full-screen vertical scale of just a few dB to make it easy to
> measure small signals just above the noise.
>
> Whatever your noise floor is, when a signal creates a 3 dB "bump"
> above the noise floor, that means the signal and noise are equal
> (because if you add two equal powers you get twice the power, which
> is a 3 dB bump). We call this condition a "signal-to-noise ratio of 0
> dB".
>
> Now tune around the band to find very weak signals and see how much
> of a bump they make. Here are some rough rules of thumb, rounded off
> for simplicity:
>
> ++++TABLE DELETED, DID NOT SURVIVE THE REWRAP ON REPLY++++
>
> I listed some negative S/N ratios because I've heard of folks who can
> copy signals below the noise floor! That's crazy!
>
> In any case, this is a very approximate measurement, but it's fun
> having some idea how well you can actually copy CW at phenomenally
> low levels.

From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 16:30:20 2016
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:30:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSPR "Receiver Noise Level"
Message-ID: <1480282220265-7624289.post@n2.nabble.com>

A section from the WSJT-X 1.7rc2 manual states:  "Use the receiver gain
controls and/or the computer?s audio mixer controls to set the background
noise level (scale at lower left of main window) to around 30 dB when no
signals are present. It is usually best to turn AGC off or reduce the RF
gain control to minimize AGC action. If necessary you can also adjust the
slider next to the dB scale, but note that the overall dynamic range will be
best when the displayed level is near 30 dB with the slider close to its
mid-point."

A couple of questions:

1. "...when no signals are present."  Would this be suggesting that I tune
my K3S to a frequency off the WSPR TX range where I see no other signals on
my P3?

2. "Use the receiver gain controls and/or the computer?s audio mixer
controls..." Which is preferable for a K3S, adjusting the K3S gain or the PC
Windows 10 Mixer?

Bret/N4SRN



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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 16:36:02 2016
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:36:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] A Word About Discounts
In-Reply-To: <58C67E7CF91A40C8B471C0F54DC25C5E@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <58C67E7CF91A40C8B471C0F54DC25C5E@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <1480282562949-7624290.post@n2.nabble.com>

I rarely buy anything online that's available from multiple vendors without a
discount coupon of some sort. There's almost always Free Shipping or X% off
somewhere. Or a Holiday around the corner...

Elecraft - I have paid full price and hefty shipping/handling. But there is
no regret over the little black boxes that work so very well!

Bret/N4SRN



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From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Nov 27 17:09:10 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:09:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSPR "Receiver Noise Level"
In-Reply-To: <1480282220265-7624289.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1480282220265-7624289.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5b9a843f-c8bb-6bf3-8bc7-c85e5fbe6e78@nk7z.net>

Just a short warning, if you have a local station that is running JT 
modes, (or a really loud one), and you have things turned up, and the 
AGC off, you will be punished...

The dynamic range of the rig is so great, that if you are using 
headphones, you will be faced with a very loud signal in your ears...

If you have not experienced this, you don't understand just how loud it 
can get.  Make sure you have the limiter set, under CONFIG, AF LIM.


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 11/27/2016 01:30 PM, MaverickNH wrote:
> A section from the WSJT-X 1.7rc2 manual states:  "Use the receiver gain
> controls and/or the computer?s audio mixer controls to set the background
> noise level (scale at lower left of main window) to around 30 dB when no
> signals are present. It is usually best to turn AGC off or reduce the RF
> gain control to minimize AGC action. If necessary you can also adjust the
> slider next to the dB scale, but note that the overall dynamic range will be
> best when the displayed level is near 30 dB with the slider close to its
> mid-point."
>
> A couple of questions:
>
> 1. "...when no signals are present."  Would this be suggesting that I tune
> my K3S to a frequency off the WSPR TX range where I see no other signals on
> my P3?
>
> 2. "Use the receiver gain controls and/or the computer?s audio mixer
> controls..." Which is preferable for a K3S, adjusting the K3S gain or the PC
> Windows 10 Mixer?
>
> Bret/N4SRN
>
>
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov 27 18:31:42 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:31:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSPR "Receiver Noise Level"
In-Reply-To: <1480282220265-7624289.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1480282220265-7624289.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <258e6355-ccdd-fd47-1c11-60404cf76096@foothill.net>

On 11/27/2016 1:30 PM, MaverickNH wrote:

> A couple of questions:
>
> 1. "...when no signals are present."  Would this be suggesting that I tune
> my K3S to a frequency off the WSPR TX range where I see no other signals on
> my P3?

In general, yes, but stay close.  Depending on the band, it may not be a 
problem, but on the lower frequencies, the ubiquitous SMPS that surround 
us all can put "noise bumps" in the spectrum.  They're very apparent on 
a panadapter and you wouldn't want to set your no-signal level on one of 
those.
>
> 2. "Use the receiver gain controls and/or the computer?s audio mixer
> controls..." Which is preferable for a K3S, adjusting the K3S gain or the PC
> Windows 10 Mixer?

In general, things always seem to work best for me if the various gain 
controls are in the middle of their ranges.  For digital modes, I 
usually set the Win mixer mid-scale and see where the K3 gain needs to 
be.  It's pretty obvious if the input level is too hot or too low for 
the K3.  If they're all right near the bottom, you may want to put a 
10:1 voltage divider in the circuit.

AGC-off is a mixed bag.  In very narrow bandwidths where the likelihood 
of another signal showing up is low, OFF and manual control of RF GAIN 
can help get a dB or two additional SNR.  However, in wider BW where a 
very strong signal can show up as you work for a very weak one, you 
could be very surprised ... and temporarily deaf.  The K3 has an AF LIM 
in the CONFIG menu.  It was put there as a safety for your hearing in 
AGC OFF situations.

When I was trying out JT-<mumble>, I left AGC on.  I've given it up now, 
it seemed like watching the barbed wire fence rust, but for many its a 
really great mode.

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn


From jalleninvest at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 18:35:05 2016
From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:35:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB driver
Message-ID: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>

What driver do I need for the KUSB device? I have a K2 and am connecting it to a W10 machine that has no internet connection.  Where would I get it?  Can I put it on a thumb drive and copy it onto the W10 machine?  Where should it go on that device?

TIA.

73 Jim Allen W6OGC 

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 27 19:32:40 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:32:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes
 ---)
In-Reply-To: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
References: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52ee665a-aeff-ac64-0660-731ddcad4592@embarqmail.com>

Bogdan,

I just returned from Thanksgiving holiday/vacation and saw your post.

The indication of "---" in the menu entry indicates that the 6R/AUX 
signal line is not allowing the KNB1 firmware to communicate with the K1 
main MCU.

I would suggest you check the soldering of RF Board J1 pin 2 and also 
pin 2 of the mating connector on the KNB1 board.

Also check to be certain KNB1 R1 is 180 ohms and is inserted into the 
correct lead holes and well soldered.

You could try a continuity check between Front Panel J1 pin 8 and the 
KNB1 U1 pins 3 and 4 - the resistance should be 180 ohms if all is well.

Double check the orientation of KNB1 U1 - the label used often covers 
the device notch on those 8 pin firmware packages making it easy to 
insert backwards.

The trimmer on the KNB1 board will work whether or not the KNB1 firmware 
is working.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/26/2016 5:53 PM, Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is my first message to this mailing list, so please be gentle!
>
> During the summer and autumn I built my first ever kit: the K1-2 (#3449) + KAT1. Everything worked surprisingly well (being a first-timer and all), I never had any problems. Until now. It seems that I failed in my ?build-without-help? venture :)
>
> A few days ago I completed building the KNB1 option and when I got to the ?Initial Test? phase I noticed that in the menu, instead of HI/LO/OFF I can only see three dashes (---). The instructions say that the K1 firmware has not detected the noise blanker module and that a possible cause may be that the U3 was soldered in backwards. I assume that?s a mistake - there is no U3. Just a U1, and it?s soldered properly.
>
> Some details:
>
> - The K1 firmware is revision 109
> - The KNB1 PCB is revision Cr
> - U1 on KNB1 has a small paper label with ?NB 1.02? written on it
> - Turning the trimmer C2 on KNB1 does vary the band noise and received signal strength
> - There is continuity from KNB1 U1 pins 3/4 to the front panel U1 pin 8 (6R/AUX) - around 182 ohms
> - The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 1 (VDD) and GND is 6.03V
> - The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 5 and GND is 5.59V (this is the 6V switch for the noise blanker)
>

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Nov 27 19:44:30 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:44:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB driver
In-Reply-To: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>
References: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80760EAE-8E4E-42F5-8833-127693C6ADB7@widomaker.com>

All my WIN10 machines had no issue with drivers for FTDI devices. 
Is yours an older Prolific KUSB?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Jim Allen <jalleninvest at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What driver do I need for the KUSB device? I have a K2 and am connecting it to a W10 machine that has no internet connection.  Where would I get it?  Can I put it on a thumb drive and copy it onto the W10 machine?  Where should it go on that device?
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 27 19:59:29 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB driver
In-Reply-To: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>
References: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc841c4e-02e2-dfd0-7f00-1c815819a46d@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

You can download the FTDI driver from 
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm.

Yes, you can put it on a thumb drive and install it on your Win10 
machine with no internet connection.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/27/2016 6:35 PM, Jim Allen wrote:
> What driver do I need for the KUSB device? I have a K2 and am connecting it to a W10 machine that has no internet connection.  Where would I get it?  Can I put it on a thumb drive and copy it onto the W10 machine?  Where should it go on that device?
>

From jalleninvest at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 20:16:02 2016
From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:16:02 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB driver
In-Reply-To: <80760EAE-8E4E-42F5-8833-127693C6ADB7@widomaker.com>
References: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>
	<80760EAE-8E4E-42F5-8833-127693C6ADB7@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <E256C2A8-2F91-474C-A628-26772C39AD19@gmail.com>

I have no idea.  It is a KUSB I just bought recently from Elecraft.

When I plugged it in, it wasn't recognized, new device found, etc.  I thought the driver would be there, like so many are, but no.

Is there a secret to plugging things in?  I turned the machine off, plugged it in and restarted the machine.  

It found my Funcube Pro Plus before, no problem.

Thanks!

73 Jim Allen W6OGC 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 27, 2016, at 18:44, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> All my WIN10 machines had no issue with drivers for FTDI devices. 
> Is yours an older Prolific KUSB?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Jim Allen <jalleninvest at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What driver do I need for the KUSB device? I have a K2 and am connecting it to a W10 machine that has no internet connection.  Where would I get it?  Can I put it on a thumb drive and copy it onto the W10 machine?  Where should it go on that device?
>> 
>> TIA.
>> 
>> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 20:47:49 2016
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:47:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSPR "Receiver Noise Level"
In-Reply-To: <258e6355-ccdd-fd47-1c11-60404cf76096@foothill.net>
References: <1480282220265-7624289.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<258e6355-ccdd-fd47-1c11-60404cf76096@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ_b5NRJ3L4vpVh0-wwG02nK9vRK-qz0ZR+D5T9WhLjVyA@mail.gmail.com>

Well, everyone is different I suppose, but I believe the intent of WSJT-X
and the JT65/JT9 modes is to open your RX filter wide, to 4 KHz.  That lets
you see every JT65 AND JT9 signal in the bandpass.  If you narrow down the
filter you will miss many of the signals.

Because of the wide bandwidth, you really need to turn your AGC OFF.  This
will prevent a strong signal somewhere in the passband from suppressing the
RX gain to the point that weak signals are missed.  Turn your RF gain fully
CCW, then turn the AGC OFF.  Then advance the RX gain until you see about
"30" on the WSJT-x meter (left side - per the manual).  I drive my
interface off the line output, so the AF setting in not material.

When done this way, it is very common to decode 20 or more signals per pass
on 20 meters.  And it is fairly easy to have DXCC within a couple of weeks,
especially if you use JT-Alert too.

Good luck!

Bob, WB4SON


On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> On 11/27/2016 1:30 PM, MaverickNH wrote:
>
> A couple of questions:
>>
>> 1. "...when no signals are present."  Would this be suggesting that I tune
>> my K3S to a frequency off the WSPR TX range where I see no other signals
>> on
>> my P3?
>>
>
> In general, yes, but stay close.  Depending on the band, it may not be a
> problem, but on the lower frequencies, the ubiquitous SMPS that surround us
> all can put "noise bumps" in the spectrum.  They're very apparent on a
> panadapter and you wouldn't want to set your no-signal level on one of
> those.
>
>>
>> 2. "Use the receiver gain controls and/or the computer?s audio mixer
>> controls..." Which is preferable for a K3S, adjusting the K3S gain or the
>> PC
>> Windows 10 Mixer?
>>
>
> In general, things always seem to work best for me if the various gain
> controls are in the middle of their ranges.  For digital modes, I usually
> set the Win mixer mid-scale and see where the K3 gain needs to be.  It's
> pretty obvious if the input level is too hot or too low for the K3.  If
> they're all right near the bottom, you may want to put a 10:1 voltage
> divider in the circuit.
>
> AGC-off is a mixed bag.  In very narrow bandwidths where the likelihood of
> another signal showing up is low, OFF and manual control of RF GAIN can
> help get a dB or two additional SNR.  However, in wider BW where a very
> strong signal can show up as you work for a very weak one, you could be
> very surprised ... and temporarily deaf.  The K3 has an AF LIM in the
> CONFIG menu.  It was put there as a safety for your hearing in AGC OFF
> situations.
>
> When I was trying out JT-<mumble>, I left AGC on.  I've given it up now,
> it seemed like watching the barbed wire fence rust, but for many its a
> really great mode.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Nov 27 21:27:23 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB driver
In-Reply-To: <E256C2A8-2F91-474C-A628-26772C39AD19@gmail.com>
References: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>
	<80760EAE-8E4E-42F5-8833-127693C6ADB7@widomaker.com>
	<E256C2A8-2F91-474C-A628-26772C39AD19@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1564a537-7118-3968-5a40-bd8ec65059ba@triconet.org>

I'm no expert but after having trouble with another device with an FTDI USB to 
Serial chip in it, I found that I needed to manually install the Virtual Com 
Port (VCP) driver.  I believe that this driver used to come separately but is 
now part of a package from FTDI and requires checking a box during installation. 
Don't ask me where; I've forgotten the complete process.

On 11/27/2016 6:16 PM, Jim Allen wrote:
> I have no idea.  It is a KUSB I just bought recently from Elecraft.
>
> When I plugged it in, it wasn't recognized, new device found, etc.  I thought the driver would be there, like so many are, but no.
>
> Is there a secret to plugging things in?  I turned the machine off, plugged it in and restarted the machine.
>
> It found my Funcube Pro Plus before, no problem.
>
> Thanks!
>
> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov 27 21:48:43 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:48:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSPR "Receiver Noise Level"
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ_b5NRJ3L4vpVh0-wwG02nK9vRK-qz0ZR+D5T9WhLjVyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1480282220265-7624289.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<258e6355-ccdd-fd47-1c11-60404cf76096@foothill.net>
	<CAPonRZ_b5NRJ3L4vpVh0-wwG02nK9vRK-qz0ZR+D5T9WhLjVyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7a68e38e-64c9-941e-aa03-5147d68ee589@foothill.net>

Yep, totally true.  Same problem/effect as when someone uses way more 
power than needed on a satellite transponder.  Just be careful of your 
ears.  At 2.7 KHz [widest roofer I have], I never encountered a really 
strong signal in the passband that I could hear, in the fairly short 
time I was using JT-65.  One approach from "way back in radio" is to 
wear your headphones somewhat forward on your head when in these AGC-off 
modes.  CONFIG:AF LIM ON is also a really good idea.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 11/27/2016 5:47 PM, Bob wrote:
> Well, everyone is different I suppose, but I believe the intent of
> WSJT-X and the JT65/JT9 modes is to open your RX filter wide, to 4 KHz.
> That lets you see every JT65 AND JT9 signal in the bandpass.  If you
> narrow down the filter you will miss many of the signals.
>
> Because of the wide bandwidth, you really need to turn your AGC OFF.
> This will prevent a strong signal somewhere in the passband from
> suppressing the RX gain to the point that weak signals are missed.  Turn
> your RF gain fully CCW, then turn the AGC OFF.  Then advance the RX gain
> until you see about "30" on the WSJT-x meter (left side - per the
> manual).  I drive my interface off the line output, so the AF setting in
> not material.
>
> When done this way, it is very common to decode 20 or more signals per
> pass on 20 meters.  And it is fairly easy to have DXCC within a couple
> of weeks, especially if you use JT-Alert too.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Bob, WB4SON


From yo8saw at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 01:04:58 2016
From: yo8saw at gmail.com (Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:04:58 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes
 ---)
In-Reply-To: <52ee665a-aeff-ac64-0660-731ddcad4592@embarqmail.com>
References: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
	<52ee665a-aeff-ac64-0660-731ddcad4592@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <C793518F-891A-4EDC-A976-6A0BAA92EAE9@gmail.com>

Thanks Don, but I have already done these checks and mentioned the results in my first post on this list.

73,
Bogdan YO8SAW

> On 28 Nov 2016, at 02:32, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bogdan,
> 
> I just returned from Thanksgiving holiday/vacation and saw your post.
> 
> The indication of "---" in the menu entry indicates that the 6R/AUX signal line is not allowing the KNB1 firmware to communicate with the K1 main MCU.
> 
> I would suggest you check the soldering of RF Board J1 pin 2 and also pin 2 of the mating connector on the KNB1 board.
> 
> Also check to be certain KNB1 R1 is 180 ohms and is inserted into the correct lead holes and well soldered.
> 
> You could try a continuity check between Front Panel J1 pin 8 and the KNB1 U1 pins 3 and 4 - the resistance should be 180 ohms if all is well.
> 
> Double check the orientation of KNB1 U1 - the label used often covers the device notch on those 8 pin firmware packages making it easy to insert backwards.
> 
> The trimmer on the KNB1 board will work whether or not the KNB1 firmware is working.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 11/26/2016 5:53 PM, Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> This is my first message to this mailing list, so please be gentle!
>> 
>> During the summer and autumn I built my first ever kit: the K1-2 (#3449) + KAT1. Everything worked surprisingly well (being a first-timer and all), I never had any problems. Until now. It seems that I failed in my ?build-without-help? venture :)
>> 
>> A few days ago I completed building the KNB1 option and when I got to the ?Initial Test? phase I noticed that in the menu, instead of HI/LO/OFF I can only see three dashes (---). The instructions say that the K1 firmware has not detected the noise blanker module and that a possible cause may be that the U3 was soldered in backwards. I assume that?s a mistake - there is no U3. Just a U1, and it?s soldered properly.
>> 
>> Some details:
>> 
>> - The K1 firmware is revision 109
>> - The KNB1 PCB is revision Cr
>> - U1 on KNB1 has a small paper label with ?NB 1.02? written on it
>> - Turning the trimmer C2 on KNB1 does vary the band noise and received signal strength
>> - There is continuity from KNB1 U1 pins 3/4 to the front panel U1 pin 8 (6R/AUX) - around 182 ohms
>> - The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 1 (VDD) and GND is 6.03V
>> - The voltage between KNB1 U1 pin 5 and GND is 5.59V (this is the 6V switch for the noise blanker)
>> 


From jperlick at ariacorp.com  Mon Nov 28 03:25:49 2016
From: jperlick at ariacorp.com (John Perlick)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:25:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] Ability to copy very weak signals
Message-ID: <A83DF2CAC11FA64D8A793D4E235FF63B05B176248351@SBS2K8.aria.local>

There are several factors that make this technique insufficient to "measure" your ears.  

The K3 splits the incoming signal path and sends part of the signal to the P3 and part to the K3 receive circuitry.  The split occurs just after the first mixer so the P3 is sampling a wideband signal (+/- 200 KHz) centered at the 9 MHz IF.  

The K3 passes the same signal through the narrowband IF filters, amplifies the signals and down-converts to 15 KHz, amplifies again, and then uses a TI DSP for filtering, Noise Reduction and detection.

The P3 is an SDR directly operating on the wideband 9 MHz IF input signal.  It immediately converts the signal using a different A/D converter, a digital down converter and digital filters, and a Microchip DSP.  

These two signal paths are dramatically different!  They each have their own imperfections including noise, several kinds of distortion, and differences in digital processing algorithms.  Just because you can see a signal on the P3, it doesn't mean you can hear it through the K3.  And the reverse is also be true--just because you hear it on the K3, it doesn't mean that you can see it on the P3.  There are just too many variables.

The P3 does indeed have an extremely narrow bandwidth--only one pixel wide or roughly SPAN/450.  But, this is after a signal is processed with amplifiers, an A/D converter, a digital mixer and decimation filters, and then converted to a spectrum display with an FFT (with some NR).  All of these processes, whether analog or digital, slightly degrade the S/N ratio of the signal.  

The K3 uses a very modern approach to maximize dynamic range in the signal path.  While it is low noise, it is also highly immune to distortion.  The K3 has a wide variety of selectable signal processing techniques that are not in the P3, including two Noise Reduction systems, Noise Blanking, AFX, EQ, Notch, and both narrowband analog and digital filtering.  You can set up the K3 signal path to operate in many different ways--and these various set-ups will affect noise floor and dynamic range.

There is no guarantee that these two paths maintain the same noise floor and the same distortion characteristics.  Sorry, but you can't use your P3's display to measure your ears.  But, that doesn't mean that some excellent operators can read CW signals seemingly buried in noise.  K0KX comes to mind.

John
K0UM
 


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 05:43:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] Ability to copy very weak signals
Message-ID: <349158864.891997.1480225428445 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8


How are your 'ears'-- your ability to copy very weak CW signals?

Here's a way to "measure" your ears. You'll need your panadapter set to a narrow span such as 2 kHz. Turn on averaging so that the noise flattens out to allow you to estimate the true level of the noise. Use a full-screen vertical scale of just a few dB to make it easy to measure small signals just above the noise. 

Whatever your noise floor is, when a signal creates a 3 dB "bump" above the noise floor, that means the signal and noise are equal (because if you add two equal powers you get twice the power, which is a 3 dB bump). We call this condition a "signal-to-noise ratio of 0 dB".

Now tune around the band to find very weak signals and see how much of a bump they make. Here are some rough rules of thumb, rounded off for simplicity:

Height of bump above noise        S/N ratio

6 dB                                 5 dB
5                                    3 dB
4 dB                                                        2 dB
3.5 dB                               1 dB
3 dB                                                        0 dB
2.5 dB                                                 -1 dB
2 dB                                                     -2 dB
1.8 dB                                                 -3 dB


I listed some negative S/N ratios because I've heard of folks who can copy signals below the noise floor! That's crazy!

In any case, this is a very approximate measurement, but it's fun having some idea how well you can actually copy CW at phenomenally low levels.



Al  W6LX


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 28 07:54:28 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes
 ---)
In-Reply-To: <C793518F-891A-4EDC-A976-6A0BAA92EAE9@gmail.com>
References: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
	<52ee665a-aeff-ac64-0660-731ddcad4592@embarqmail.com>
	<C793518F-891A-4EDC-A976-6A0BAA92EAE9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61917c47-0c49-ccf9-701c-0dab88f7418f@embarqmail.com>

Bogdan,

FB, I now see you did check all the paths, sorry, but I was tired after 
9 hours on the road!

It sounds like you need to contact Elecraft support.  You have 
indications of a faulty KNB2 firmware IC.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/28/2016 1:04 AM, Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu wrote:
> Thanks Don, but I have already done these checks and mentioned the results in my first post on this list.
>
> 73,
> Bogdan YO8SAW
>
>


From nc3z at outlook.com  Mon Nov 28 10:40:59 2016
From: nc3z at outlook.com (NC3Z Gary)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:40:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 for sale -SOLD
In-Reply-To: <o1aigs+17f0o8i@YahooGroups.com>
References: <o1aigs+17f0o8i@YahooGroups.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR0601MB1710C722FF20825AC8B32673988A0@SN1PR0601MB1710.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

SOLD thanks for all the interest.

Just sold my KX3 station but new owner did not want the PX3. Saving up 
for a K3S.

Includes:
Gems products Side KX Panel
Nifty PX3 Stand
Logitech K360 wireless keyboard

$450 shipped conus.


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15

From w1zk at comcast.net  Mon Nov 28 12:30:35 2016
From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:30:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website down - Black Friday event?
Message-ID: <bf8cb1d4-0f5a-a450-07c9-85d4d5b34d48@comcast.net>

The Elecraft website is down this Monday morning? Overwhelming number of 
sales?

Ralph W1ZK

-- 
Webmaster USS PUEBLO Veterans Association
Life Member American Ex-Prisoners of War
Life Member Disabled American Veterans


From kstover at ac0h.net  Mon Nov 28 13:10:27 2016
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:10:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB driver
In-Reply-To: <E256C2A8-2F91-474C-A628-26772C39AD19@gmail.com>
References: <5AA7206C-47F4-4D48-ADB3-CCDBA05ABEF5@gmail.com>
	<80760EAE-8E4E-42F5-8833-127693C6ADB7@widomaker.com>
	<E256C2A8-2F91-474C-A628-26772C39AD19@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82eaa592-c190-ab6d-6789-b8ac2b57ad09@ac0h.net>

If windows isn't finding the device you may have to install the driver 
manually. No big deal.

Download the driver from Elecraft onto a thumb drive. Browse to the file 
on the thumb drive and run the setup. Follow the instructions. Once 
installed, possibly after a reboot, plug the device in a USB port. If 
your going to be plugging/unplugging the device make sure you plug it 
back in the same port.

You should be able to see the port the install created by going to 
Control Panel -> System -> Device Manager -> Ports.


On 11/27/2016 7:16 PM, Jim Allen wrote:
> I have no idea.  It is a KUSB I just bought recently from Elecraft.
>
> When I plugged it in, it wasn't recognized, new device found, etc.  I thought the driver would be there, like so many are, but no.
>
> Is there a secret to plugging things in?  I turned the machine off, plugged it in and restarted the machine.
>
> It found my Funcube Pro Plus before, no problem.
>
> Thanks!
>
> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 18:44, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>>
>> All my WIN10 machines had no issue with drivers for FTDI devices.
>> Is yours an older Prolific KUSB?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Jim Allen <jalleninvest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What driver do I need for the KUSB device? I have a K2 and am connecting it to a W10 machine that has no internet connection.  Where would I get it?  Can I put it on a thumb drive and copy it onto the W10 machine?  Where should it go on that device?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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From w4fmd.steve at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 13:13:44 2016
From: w4fmd.steve at gmail.com (Steve Glickstein)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website down - Black Friday event?
In-Reply-To: <bf8cb1d4-0f5a-a450-07c9-85d4d5b34d48@comcast.net>
References: <bf8cb1d4-0f5a-a450-07c9-85d4d5b34d48@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6221b4da-d81e-9f69-c08b-912355b613ee@gmail.com>

Web site is FB here in the Washington DC area. Very low latency.

73, Steve W4FMD

On 11/28/2016 12:30 PM, Ralph McClintock wrote:
> The Elecraft website is down this Monday morning? Overwhelming number 
> of sales?
>
> Ralph W1ZK
>


From WB4SON at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 13:15:23 2016
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:15:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website down - Black Friday event?
In-Reply-To: <bf8cb1d4-0f5a-a450-07c9-85d4d5b34d48@comcast.net>
References: <bf8cb1d4-0f5a-a450-07c9-85d4d5b34d48@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ81oBUxTiAgdzL=MwH31Kpb4J-rYpMnkM3twGE-gkN4ag@mail.gmail.com>

That would be nice -- but the site is working fine for me!

Still hope they bust sales records

B

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Ralph McClintock <w1zk at comcast.net> wrote:

> The Elecraft website is down this Monday morning? Overwhelming number of
> sales?
>
> Ralph W1ZK
>
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 13:24:43 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:24:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMVyEyPgHQ5PUnJs6hKCA3uCqVbxOzXHsQpZYTwdAWZxw@mail.gmail.com>

Is OK in the outback of SW Montana

73

K0PP

From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 28 14:34:04 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:34:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] The Sale
In-Reply-To: <67CBF6E6-1FAC-4815-BF09-F0487E1D94EF@yahoo.com>
References: <67CBF6E6-1FAC-4815-BF09-F0487E1D94EF@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <419996e0-c8ef-85af-a4f3-6ebf01ea5a8c@elecraft.com>

Midnight PST tonight (Monday) Calif. time.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/26/2016 8:13 AM, Grady Harper via Elecraft wrote:
> When does the sale end?
> AJ4YA
> Grady
>

From elanpeim at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 14:44:50 2016
From: elanpeim at gmail.com (Elan Paim)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:44:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] wanted K2
Message-ID: <CAKE+kA=fJ9M=6MXG5Y7bikwOQX4NQx4Swdk_K4AbA70aR3x16w@mail.gmail.com>

hello
i am new to this reflector .
i am looking for k2 with all option [no need the 100w but if it come with
the 100w amp its ok as well ]
now this have to be built by pro [or one of eelcraft  builder please ]
i am in U.K so some one in the area will be great
many thanks vy 73 elan g0uut/4z4un

From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Nov 28 15:57:08 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:57:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K30/Mini Audio Level
In-Reply-To: <CALciXv+xJjOzC7m3k=q_XuaHJoti4JjjrPheg0U_pt0vLOeYfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALciXv+xJjOzC7m3k=q_XuaHJoti4JjjrPheg0U_pt0vLOeYfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALcvumPWbZkt66iN8gfVwez9uoetPya2uq-Pyax6WZhDFOb_xw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Keith,

No, the K3/0 sends remote commands to the K3 to control audio.

You DO NOT connect the RemoteRig box to the line out -- it goes from the
Speaker output to  the SP plug on RemoteRig.

If you want local + remote audio, plug headphones in and turn on HDPH+SPKR
on the station K3.

I always turn station audio to Zero before leaving and doing remote.

Never had an issue with audio with the four stations I remote into.

73,

Gerry W1VE
Trustee, VY1AAA Remote Team


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On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith Schlottman, KR7RK <keith at kr7rk.com>
wrote:

> I've got a K30/Mini control head connected over the internet to my home QTH
> K3S using RemoteRig boxes.  The audio volume from the K30/Mini is extremely
> low.  Apparently the AF knob on the control unit (K30/Mini) does not
> control volume, rather it's set by the remote station (K3S).  However it
> seems that turning the AF Knob on the remote station has no effect, whether
> it's at min or max or anything in between, the audio from the control unit
> remains almost too low to hear.
>
> Additionally, I would prefer to have the audio out at the remote station
> muted so that my YL does not have to hear it blasting away when I am
> remoting in from my office.  Likewise, I would prefer to have a variable
> volume level at my office rather than a fixed level that can only be
> changed by shutting down.
>
> Am I missing something?  Is there a way to increase/decrease volume levels
> from the control head?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Keith KR7RK
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From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Nov 28 15:59:42 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-TX "stutters" on power up
In-Reply-To: <67c03913-25b7-53b2-e3d8-4ccd7a7297ce@foothill.net>
References: <67c03913-25b7-53b2-e3d8-4ccd7a7297ce@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CALcvumO6c9w3pkKmXDe6wX+1nW_Mhs7oTv_TPaAYZezT+1_f7w@mail.gmail.com>

Fred,

I never see that on remote.  Only if I'm using N1MM for DTR CW keying and
booting a PC.

I exclusively use the USB cable for Radio Control and Winkey CW
Keying/RTTY.  No issues with that.

73, Gerry W1VE


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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> This may not be new, I often pay no attention to the radio if I power it
> up, but recently I've noticed that it's going into TX multiple times as the
> start-up display scrolls by on VFO B.  I don't think it's making any RF.
>
> FWIW:  I do operate W7RN remote using RemoteRig which immediately puts the
> K3 into TERM mode.  This problem I've noticed happens when I'm operating
> from home, 100W, almost always on CW.
>
> I don't see any harm to it, it's just new, and I'm wondering.  FW is 5.38
> Any info appreciated.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
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From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Nov 28 16:27:05 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:27:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mini Error question
In-Reply-To: <025E4039-BAD4-44AE-B504-7967D372844F@gmail.com>
References: <414CA5EE-C9F3-4B34-B71E-8F445A983A56@gmail.com>
	<086501d2322c$df9ddb60$9ed99220$@eeek.org.uk>
	<025E4039-BAD4-44AE-B504-7967D372844F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALcvumMYrYEwAo_Vt6qHw2aXeuZ8x8msYUZGorqHkqM7v=_Y_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jim,

I'm late to the party, but just some words of advice:

- Make sure the station end is set up properly first.  As noted before,
there are three UDP ports that need to be set up in port forwarding.  You
don't have to use the ports RemoteRig recommends, but if you want to,
that's fine.  If you have VoIP phones at your QTH, use 5095 instead of
5060.    If your router support a DMZ, you can use that instead of port
forwarding.    Another port I like to forward is the RRC's Web server
port.  This allows you to view the rrc's configuration and status (station
end) while you are debugging a connection.  The default port is port 80.  I
would not use that; I'd make it 8080 or something along those lines.  You
still need to forward that port if you want to see it from the outside
world, and it is TCP.     The remoterig box also has a Telnet interface,
another tool for debugging, which is on TCP Port 23.   (If you port forward
that, make it a non-obvious port like 2300).

If you forward the web port and the telnet port on the station end, it's
pretty quick to find out if you can get to the RRC by trying to go to it's
web page.
(before you even attempt radio operation.)

As far as internet in far off lands, I've had no issues, except with
Wireless network providers.  Multipoint-to-Point shared Wireless ISPs
typically use TDM techniques to share customers, and these radio systems
are terrible for JITTER, which kills VoIP, and incidentally, RemoteRig.
(Jitter being the difference in ping time over time. )  RemoteRig will
tolerate a TON of latency, but not a lot of jitter.  (These systems can
produce anything from 10-1000 mS of jitter, all the way to packet loss).
DSL systems are usually very good.  Fiber/cable are usually awesome.

if you get the three-tiered tone, it simply means it cannot connect to the
far party -- exactly like the "Service Not Available" tone you get from the
phone company.   This can be that the other end is not turned on, you have
the wrong DNS/IP, port forwarding is incorrect, or, you are not matching
the values specified in the station-end RRC.

If you get connected but the K3/0 is stuck in TERM, you have an RS-232
control problem (lots of guys have trouble with this).  Especially with a
K2s, when you are in either USB or RS-232 mode.

Also -- when you get connected and are adjusting menus, always remember you
are controlling the REMOTE K3, not local.  So don't change RS-232 by
accident!

If you are doing CW and using a logging program, like N1MM+, I recommend
using the mini USB cable for CW and Rig Control.  It is flawless.
At the remote end, RRC's Logical COM1 (Actual port in brackets) is your Rig
Control, and COMextra (Actual port in brackets) is your Winkey control.
(There are some settings to change in your remote RRC if you want this to
work... I can pass them along.)

For SSB, make sure you have the Station's  MIC selection set to RPNL (Rear
panel).

Not RRC or Elecraft related, but I highly recommend getting one or more Web
Power Switches (http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html)
These ~$130 devices will save your butt!   They can remotely control up to
10 devices ... and, more importantly, can automatically reboot the DSL
Modem or router if you get a power glitch and they hang.  Worth their
weight in gold.

Glad to help with any questions.

73, Gerry W1VE
Trustee, VY1AAA Yukon CanAm Contest Club &
Remote Contest Team


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On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Jim Cary <jimlcary at gmail.com> wrote:

> John/Barry
>
> Thanks for the quick responses.   I?ll be setting up the other side
> tomorrow.  I think when I had them working at home I had both units
> connected before I fired up the mini, so I didn?t have the problem.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2016, at 5:39 PM, John <john at eeek.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > This is actually quite a simple one, luckily!
> >
> > I'm assuming when you say RRC you mean the MicroHAM RemoteRig Control
> system - I've helped set these up and test them for a couple of years now,
> so assuming I've got that bit right...
> >
> > It simply means that it's unable to talk to the other end (ie the kit
> you haven't connected at the far end).
> >
> > The MicroHAM RRC systems use SIP over UDP on three different ports - one
> for voice data, one for CAT data, and one for control signals between the
> remote head and the unit body. If it's a SIP connection error you're
> seeing, it's because the two ends of the RRC system can't see each other
> (which, as you say, is the correct case because you haven't hooked up the
> remote unit yet).
> >
> > If I'm barking up the wrong tree, please correct me.
> >
> > 73, and a firm left handshake,
> > John (XLX)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Jim Cary
> > Sent: 29 October 2016 22:27
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mini Error question
> >
> > I just packed up both my control and remote systems and moved them down
> to my ZF QTH, where they will be permanent.
> >
> > I have the K3 mini hooked up to the control RRC unit, but haven?t hooked
> up the remote unit yet/
> >
> > When I powered up the mini, and turned the volume control I got a three
> tone warning signal.  The light over the aux/mic cable is flashing yellow,
> which according to the Remote Rig manual means the SIP connection has
> failed?. but it isn?t clear what that means or what to do about it.  I?ve
> checked and doubled checked all the connections and they look good.
> >
> > Does anyone not in the CQ contest (!!!) have an idea?
> >
> > Jim
> > W2SM
> > ZF2LC
> >
> >
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From yo8saw at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 16:52:26 2016
From: yo8saw at gmail.com (Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 23:52:26 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] [KNB1] Noise blanker not detected (three dashes
 ---)
In-Reply-To: <61917c47-0c49-ccf9-701c-0dab88f7418f@embarqmail.com>
References: <463C5DC4-2397-49AC-87C4-BB21582EA955@gmail.com>
	<52ee665a-aeff-ac64-0660-731ddcad4592@embarqmail.com>
	<C793518F-891A-4EDC-A976-6A0BAA92EAE9@gmail.com>
	<61917c47-0c49-ccf9-701c-0dab88f7418f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <29875CA4-5887-408A-A408-6970C2C78707@gmail.com>

Yeah, I was afraid I might have to do that. Oh well, I guess I?ll go ahead and drop Support a few lines and see what they advise. Thanks everyone for your help!

73,
Bogdan YO8SAW

> On 28 Nov 2016, at 14:54, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bogdan,
> 
> FB, I now see you did check all the paths, sorry, but I was tired after 9 hours on the road!
> 
> It sounds like you need to contact Elecraft support.  You have indications of a faulty KNB2 firmware IC.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 11/28/2016 1:04 AM, Bogdan - Constantin Lazanu wrote:
>> Thanks Don, but I have already done these checks and mentioned the results in my first post on this list.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Bogdan YO8SAW
>> 
>> 
> 


From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 28 16:56:04 2016
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:56:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3
Message-ID: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

While on 20m I tuned the MFJ 1788 to the lowest SWR which was 1.2:1. I did this using the tune button on the K3. I noticed the SWR on the K3 was bouncing around from 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.4 and so on and never settling on just one reading. This only happens on 20m and no other band that I tuned on. Here is some of the trouble shooting I did.

  1.  I have a KX3 and hooked it up to the MFJ 1788 loop antenna and read the SWR. It showed 1.2:1 and no "bouncing" issues. I did remove the PL259 from the K3 ANT1 port and connected it to the KX3 so the test would include all that was in line with the K3. In line meaning coax, antenna switch and MFJ tuner box.

  2.  I opened up the K3 and tightened all screws ( boards, case, SO-239 and any checked out the seating of coax jumpers in the rig for a secure fit.

  3.  I tried the K3 on a dummy load and all was good.

I am at a loss as to what is going on and am looking for some input? I check the rig again today on 20m and it's still having SWR bouncing issues. I have never had this in the past and am looking for feed back on things to check?


Setup information

Radio K3 with antenna tuner (not being used rig is on bypass)

Antenna MFJ 1788 mag loop

Power 5 watts QRP

Coax RG 8X 30 ft

Thanks in advance

Mike VE3WDM


From sjl219 at optonline.net  Mon Nov 28 17:08:10 2016
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:08:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
Message-ID: <dab2702.43b1.158acfb28ea.Webtop.58@optonline.net>

For the last couple of months my KX2 randomly comes up acting like it 
has a very tight filter engaged although all screen indications are 
normal. In plain language it sounds "hollow" as if it were at 50 Hz. 
?Yet all screen indications are normal (for example, it shows 400 Hz 
from its last use). There are no error messages.

This is very random; not a regular event. ?When it does occur, all I 
have to do is turn the power off and then immediately back on and all is 
well.

My KX2 is connected to an SEC1235M power supply and is also connected to 
the KXPA100 amplifier. ?It's always in CW mode because that's all I use. 
?This "weird" power up situation occurs even if the KXPA100 is 
physically disconnected.


The KX2 otherwise works normally in all regards. ?My firmware is at 
2.61, DSP at 1.46 and PA at 1.32. ?These are "as shipped" by Elecraft at 
purchase time. ?My serial number is 0472.


Just wondering if this little issue has visited anyone else.


73, Stan WB2LQF

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Nov 28 16:20:16 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:20:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
Message-ID: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>

My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the old 200
HZ filter. Is this correct?

If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air? 

 

Tnx

N2TK, Tony


From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Nov 28 17:25:28 2016
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 22:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
In-Reply-To: <dab2702.43b1.158acfb28ea.Webtop.58@optonline.net>
References: <dab2702.43b1.158acfb28ea.Webtop.58@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <FR1P152MB13982C23E976AB9C6583A0659C8A0@FR1P152MB1398.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Stan,
I would try MCU 02.68 and DSP of 01.48 and see if that helps.  If you have the unit on SUB receiver you may be looking at two different settings for each VFO and the spread between VFO A and B can be confusing.  I use SSB and leave the SUB on.  When there are two close signals I have to check both VFO's for same settings.  Filters can be different, etc., from what I have witnessed.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of stan levandowski
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:08 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"

For the last couple of months my KX2 randomly comes up acting like it has a very tight filter engaged although all screen indications are normal. In plain language it sounds "hollow" as if it were at 50 Hz. 
 Yet all screen indications are normal (for example, it shows 400 Hz from its last use). There are no error messages.

This is very random; not a regular event.  When it does occur, all I have to do is turn the power off and then immediately back on and all is well.

My KX2 is connected to an SEC1235M power supply and is also connected to the KXPA100 amplifier.  It's always in CW mode because that's all I use. 
 This "weird" power up situation occurs even if the KXPA100 is physically disconnected.


The KX2 otherwise works normally in all regards.  My firmware is at 2.61, DSP at 1.46 and PA at 1.32.  These are "as shipped" by Elecraft at purchase time.  My serial number is 0472.


Just wondering if this little issue has visited anyone else.


73, Stan WB2LQF
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From ron at cobi.biz  Mon Nov 28 17:54:29 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:54:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <000901d249ca$60d26bb0$22774310$@biz>

My guess is common-mode current on the feed line from RF picked up from the
loop since the SWR is stable into a dummy load. 

In an rf-rich environment the rig itself becomes part of the antenna, so
everything cannot be exactly the same switching between the KX3 and K3. 

Assuming you don't have a good low-impedance RF path to earth on the K3, you
might take a 16 foot long piece of wire and attach it to the K3 ground post.
That might eliminate the issue but even if it only changes the behavior of
the SWR bridge in the K3 it would indicate stray RF currents are the cause. 

73 Ron AC7AC 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Weir
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 1:56 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3

While on 20m I tuned the MFJ 1788 to the lowest SWR which was 1.2:1. I did
this using the tune button on the K3. I noticed the SWR on the K3 was
bouncing around from 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.4 and so on and never settling on just
one reading. This only happens on 20m and no other band that I tuned on.
Here is some of the trouble shooting I did.

  1.  I have a KX3 and hooked it up to the MFJ 1788 loop antenna and read
the SWR. It showed 1.2:1 and no "bouncing" issues. I did remove the PL259
from the K3 ANT1 port and connected it to the KX3 so the test would include
all that was in line with the K3. In line meaning coax, antenna switch and
MFJ tuner box.

  2.  I opened up the K3 and tightened all screws ( boards, case, SO-239 and
any checked out the seating of coax jumpers in the rig for a secure fit.

  3.  I tried the K3 on a dummy load and all was good.

I am at a loss as to what is going on and am looking for some input? I check
the rig again today on 20m and it's still having SWR bouncing issues. I have
never had this in the past and am looking for feed back on things to check?


Setup information

Radio K3 with antenna tuner (not being used rig is on bypass)

Antenna MFJ 1788 mag loop

Power 5 watts QRP

Coax RG 8X 30 ft

Thanks in advance

Mike VE3WDM

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From glcazzola at alice.it  Mon Nov 28 18:00:23 2016
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 00:00:23 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] R:  K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>

The new filter has 6 poles and steeper sides than the older filter thet have only 5 poles. On my K3s I have also the 500hz 5 poles. I excluded the 8 poles filter becouse on a previous experience on my old FT1000MP ?with the great 400hz ?paired filter by Inrad found them a little tiring on long listening - more poles, more ringing I think.
I think that the new 200hz 6 poles is very good: I used it 48 hours CQ WPX and yesterday CQ WW CW, great radio and filters test, ?without tiring my ears.
Ian IK4EWX

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Da: N2TK, Tony
Inviato: luned? 28 novembre 2016 23:22
A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Oggetto: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the old 200
HZ filter. Is this correct?

If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air? 



Tnx

N2TK, Tony

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Nov 28 18:29:18 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:29:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-TX "stutters" on power up
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumO6c9w3pkKmXDe6wX+1nW_Mhs7oTv_TPaAYZezT+1_f7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <67c03913-25b7-53b2-e3d8-4ccd7a7297ce@foothill.net>
	<CALcvumO6c9w3pkKmXDe6wX+1nW_Mhs7oTv_TPaAYZezT+1_f7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65528001-be9c-3095-288f-11b651b1e415@foothill.net>

Hmmm ... my original message was on 31 Oct -- Long Delay Echo?

Problem was the PTT-KEY setting -- PTT was set to DSR and it gets 
asserted intermittently as the radio and computer USB port argue when 
the radio comes on.  Apparently the radio eventually wins because it 
stops.  OFF-OFF suppresses the argument.

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 11/28/2016 12:59 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> Fred,
>
> I never see that on remote.  Only if I'm using N1MM for DTR CW keying
> and booting a PC.
>
> I exclusively use the USB cable for Radio Control and Winkey CW
> Keying/RTTY.  No issues with that.
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE
>
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373
> AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM
> <http://www.yccc.org><http://www.yccc.org/>
> <http://www.facebook.com/gerryhull>  <https://plus.google.com/+GerryHull/posts>    <http://www.twitter.com/w1ve>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net
> <mailto:k6dgw at foothill.net>> wrote:
>
>     This may not be new, I often pay no attention to the radio if I
>     power it up, but recently I've noticed that it's going into TX
>     multiple times as the start-up display scrolls by on VFO B.  I don't
>     think it's making any RF.
>
>     FWIW:  I do operate W7RN remote using RemoteRig which immediately
>     puts the K3 into TERM mode.  This problem I've noticed happens when
>     I'm operating from home, 100W, almost always on CW.
>
>     I don't see any harm to it, it's just new, and I'm wondering.  FW is
>     5.38  Any info appreciated.
>
>     73,
>
>     Fred K6DGW
>     - Sparks NV DM09dn


From mattz at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 28 18:37:51 2016
From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:37:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-TX "stutters" on power up
In-Reply-To: <65528001-be9c-3095-288f-11b651b1e415@foothill.net>
References: <67c03913-25b7-53b2-e3d8-4ccd7a7297ce@foothill.net>
	<CALcvumO6c9w3pkKmXDe6wX+1nW_Mhs7oTv_TPaAYZezT+1_f7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<65528001-be9c-3095-288f-11b651b1e415@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1b8c9b7e-b092-928e-e6ba-c1d20742ca09@elecraft.com>

You can also put the USB key / ptt into Safe Mode.  See the instructions 
in MCU 5.33 release notes (or any release notes later than this rev).

73,

matt W6NIA


On 11/28/2016 3:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Hmmm ... my original message was on 31 Oct -- Long Delay Echo?
>
> Problem was the PTT-KEY setting -- PTT was set to DSR and it gets 
> asserted intermittently as the radio and computer USB port argue when 
> the radio comes on.  Apparently the radio eventually wins because it 
> stops.  OFF-OFF suppresses the argument.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 11/28/2016 12:59 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>> Fred,
>>
>> I never see that on remote.  Only if I'm using N1MM for DTR CW keying
>> and booting a PC.
>>
>> I exclusively use the USB cable for Radio Control and Winkey CW
>> Keying/RTTY.  No issues with that.
>>
>> 73, Gerry W1VE
>>
>>
>> Gerry Hull, W1VE   | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373
>> AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM
>> <http://www.yccc.org><http://www.yccc.org/>
>> <http://www.facebook.com/gerryhull> 
>> <https://plus.google.com/+GerryHull/posts> <http://www.twitter.com/w1ve>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net
>> <mailto:k6dgw at foothill.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     This may not be new, I often pay no attention to the radio if I
>>     power it up, but recently I've noticed that it's going into TX
>>     multiple times as the start-up display scrolls by on VFO B. I don't
>>     think it's making any RF.
>>
>>     FWIW:  I do operate W7RN remote using RemoteRig which immediately
>>     puts the K3 into TERM mode.  This problem I've noticed happens when
>>     I'm operating from home, 100W, almost always on CW.
>>
>>     I don't see any harm to it, it's just new, and I'm wondering.  FW is
>>     5.38  Any info appreciated.
>>
>>     73,
>>
>>     Fred K6DGW
>>     - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Nov 28 18:39:30 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
Message-ID: <003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>

Tnx Ian,
On 80 and 160M this past weekend had the filter bandwidth set at 200HZ most of the time due to the QRN. The NR helped a little. Just trying to find out if worth the money to buy the new 200 HZ filter if I would really know the difference.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: glcazzola at alice.it [mailto:glcazzola at alice.it] 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 6:00 PM
To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: R: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

The new filter has 6 poles and steeper sides than the older filter thet have only 5 poles. On my K3s I have also the 500hz 5 poles. I excluded the 8 poles filter becouse on a previous experience on my old FT1000MP  with the great 400hz ?paired filter by Inrad found them a little tiring on long listening - more poles, more ringing I think.
I think that the new 200hz 6 poles is very good: I used it 48 hours CQ WPX and yesterday CQ WW CW, great radio and filters test,  without tiring my ears.
Ian IK4EWX

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  Messaggio originale
Da: N2TK, Tony
Inviato: luned? 28 novembre 2016 23:22
A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Oggetto: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the old 200 HZ filter. Is this correct?

If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air? 



Tnx

N2TK, Tony

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 28 18:42:41 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:42:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
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References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <228704C5-8680-4FCA-BED9-95213CDE7729@elecraft.com>

The new filter has 6 crystals rather than 5, and has steeper skirts. The difference is easily measurable. Whether you can hear the difference depends on QRM levels and biology :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:20 PM, "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:

> My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the old 200
> HZ filter. Is this correct?
> 
> If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air? 
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx
> 
> N2TK, Tony
> 
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Nov 28 18:53:22 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:53:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <228704C5-8680-4FCA-BED9-95213CDE7729@elecraft.com>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<228704C5-8680-4FCA-BED9-95213CDE7729@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <005101d249d2$9afa2410$d0ee6c30$@verizon.net>

Tnx Wayne. Looking for something to add to my Xmas wish list besides a KPOD.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 6:43 PM
To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

The new filter has 6 crystals rather than 5, and has steeper skirts. The
difference is easily measurable. Whether you can hear the difference depends
on QRM levels and biology :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:20 PM, "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:

> My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the 
> old 200 HZ filter. Is this correct?
> 
> If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air? 
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx
> 
> N2TK, Tony
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 28 19:11:02 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:11:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <67647932-7142-1ee6-0971-e7177c515080@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

What is the proximity of the magnetic loop antenna to the K3?

I suspect RF feedback from the K3 being within the strong field of the 
magnetic loop.

Try moving the loop further from the K3 or rotate it so the maximum RF 
is not directed at the K3.

Yes, those RF problems can be present even at 5 watts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/28/2016 4:56 PM, Mike Weir wrote:
> While on 20m I tuned the MFJ 1788 to the lowest SWR which was 1.2:1. I did this using the tune button on the K3. I noticed the SWR on the K3 was bouncing around from 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.4 and so on and never settling on just one reading. This only happens on 20m and no other band that I tuned on. Here is some of the trouble shooting I did.
>
>   1.  I have a KX3 and hooked it up to the MFJ 1788 loop antenna and read the SWR. It showed 1.2:1 and no "bouncing" issues. I did remove the PL259 from the K3 ANT1 port and connected it to the KX3 so the test would include all that was in line with the K3. In line meaning coax, antenna switch and MFJ tuner box.
>
>   2.  I opened up the K3 and tightened all screws ( boards, case, SO-239 and any checked out the seating of coax jumpers in the rig for a secure fit.
>
>   3.  I tried the K3 on a dummy load and all was good.
>
> I am at a loss as to what is going on and am looking for some input? I check the rig again today on 20m and it's still having SWR bouncing issues. I have never had this in the past and am looking for feed back on things to check?
>
>
> Setup information
>
> Radio K3 with antenna tuner (not being used rig is on bypass)
>
> Antenna MFJ 1788 mag loop
>
> Power 5 watts QRP
>
> Coax RG 8X 30 ft
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Mike VE3WDM
>
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From sjl219 at optonline.net  Mon Nov 28 19:12:04 2016
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:12:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
In-Reply-To: <FR1P152MB13982C23E976AB9C6583A0659C8A0@FR1P152MB1398.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <dab2702.43b1.158acfb28ea.Webtop.58@optonline.net>
	<FR1P152MB13982C23E976AB9C6583A0659C8A0@FR1P152MB1398.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5ad0d746.48e5.158ad6c9746.Webtop.45@optonline.net>

Thanks, Bill. ?The KX2 doesn't actually have a "sub" receiver; if you 
mean dual watch then no, it's rarely engaged unless I'm working split 
DX. It's not a VFO A/B issue either. ?I guess I should update my 
firmware....I only work CW and my needs are simple so I've refrained 
from updating so far. The little rig and its amp work so well.....I'm 
always afraid of screwing something up!!
73, Stan WB2LQF


On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 05:25 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

> Stan,
> I would try MCU 02.68 and DSP of 01.48 and see if that helps.  If you 
> have the unit on SUB receiver you may be looking at two different 
> settings for each VFO and the spread between VFO A and B can be 
> confusing.  I use SSB and leave the SUB on.  When there are two close 
> signals I have to check both VFO's for same settings.  Filters can be 
> different, etc., from what I have witnessed.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> stan levandowski
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:08 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
>
> For the last couple of months my KX2 randomly comes up acting like it 
> has a very tight filter engaged although all screen indications are 
> normal. In plain language it sounds "hollow" as if it were at 50 Hz. 
> Yet all screen indications are normal (for example, it shows 400 Hz 
> from its last use). There are no error messages.
>
> This is very random; not a regular event.  When it does occur, all I 
> have to do is turn the power off and then immediately back on and all 
> is well.
>
> My KX2 is connected to an SEC1235M power supply and is also connected 
> to the KXPA100 amplifier.  It's always in CW mode because that's all I 
> use.  This "weird" power up situation occurs even if the KXPA100 is 
> physically disconnected.
>
>
> The KX2 otherwise works normally in all regards.  My firmware is at 
> 2.61, DSP at 1.46 and PA at 1.32.  These are "as shipped" by Elecraft 
> at purchase time.  My serial number is 0472.
>
>
> Just wondering if this little issue has visited anyone else.
>
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 28 19:17:09 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:17:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
In-Reply-To: <5ad0d746.48e5.158ad6c9746.Webtop.45@optonline.net>
References: <dab2702.43b1.158acfb28ea.Webtop.58@optonline.net>
	<FR1P152MB13982C23E976AB9C6583A0659C8A0@FR1P152MB1398.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Stan,

I would use the latest "one-click" production firmware release (MCU 2.69/DSP 1.49). This corrects a DSP problem that in rare cases could result in the DSP not sampling signals correctly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of stan levandowski
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:08 PM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
>> 
>> For the last couple of months my KX2 randomly comes up acting like it has a very tight filter engaged although all screen indications are normal. In plain language it sounds "hollow" as if it were at 50 Hz. Yet all screen indications are normal (for example, it shows 400 Hz from its last use). There are no error messages.
>> 
>> This is very random; not a regular event.  When it does occur, all I have to do is turn the power off and then immediately back on and all is well.
>> 
>> My KX2 is connected to an SEC1235M power supply and is also connected to the KXPA100 amplifier.  It's always in CW mode because that's all I use.  This "weird" power up situation occurs even if the KXPA100 is physically disconnected.
>> 
>> 
>> The KX2 otherwise works normally in all regards.  My firmware is at 2.61, DSP at 1.46 and PA at 1.32.  These are "as shipped" by Elecraft at purchase time.  My serial number is 0472.
>> 
>> 
>> Just wondering if this little issue has visited anyone else.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Stan WB2LQF




From sjl219 at optonline.net  Mon Nov 28 19:23:03 2016
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:23:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
In-Reply-To: <B5124EAE-81BE-4515-8B5C-B105994C04CE@elecraft.com>
References: <dab2702.43b1.158acfb28ea.Webtop.58@optonline.net>
	<FR1P152MB13982C23E976AB9C6583A0659C8A0@FR1P152MB1398.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<5ad0d746.48e5.158ad6c9746.Webtop.45@optonline.net>
	<B5124EAE-81BE-4515-8B5C-B105994C04CE@elecraft.com>
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Ahhh....I shall gather up my courage and press onward with my first KX2 
update.....Thanks and 73,Stan WB2LQF


On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 07:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Hi Stan,
>
> I would use the latest "one-click" production firmware release (MCU 
> 2.69/DSP 1.49). This corrects a DSP problem that in rare cases could 
> result in the DSP not sampling signals correctly.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf 
>>> Of stan levandowski
>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:08 PM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) - Randomly Powers Up "Weird"
>>>
>>> For the last couple of months my KX2 randomly comes up acting like 
>>> it has a very tight filter engaged although all screen indications 
>>> are normal. In plain language it sounds "hollow" as if it were at 50 
>>> Hz. Yet all screen indications are normal (for example, it shows 400 
>>> Hz from its last use). There are no error messages.
>>>
>>> This is very random; not a regular event.  When it does occur, all I 
>>> have to do is turn the power off and then immediately back on and 
>>> all is well.
>>>
>>> My KX2 is connected to an SEC1235M power supply and is also 
>>> connected to the KXPA100 amplifier.  It's always in CW mode because 
>>> that's all I use.  This "weird" power up situation occurs even if 
>>> the KXPA100 is physically disconnected.
>>>
>>>
>>> The KX2 otherwise works normally in all regards.  My firmware is at 
>>> 2.61, DSP at 1.46 and PA at 1.32.  These are "as shipped" by 
>>> Elecraft at purchase time.  My serial number is 0472.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wondering if this little issue has visited anyone else.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>
>
>
>

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Nov 28 19:23:29 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:23:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <3DE10594-3711-4D74-8E6E-C78D6D9D5EF3@widomaker.com>

Are you "checking" with a constant CW carrier or voice?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Mike Weir <ve3wdm at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> While on 20m I tuned the MFJ 1788 to the lowest SWR which was 1.2:1. I did this using the tune button on the K3. I noticed the SWR on the K3 was bouncing around from 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.4 and so on and never settling on just one reading. This only happens on 20m and no other band that I tuned on. Here is some of the trouble shooting I did.
> 
>  1.  I have a KX3 and hooked it up to the MFJ 1788 loop antenna and read the SWR. It showed 1.2:1 and no "bouncing" issues. I did remove the PL259 from the K3 ANT1 port and connected it to the KX3 so the test would include all that was in line with the K3. In line meaning coax, antenna switch and MFJ tuner box.
> 
>  2.  I opened up the K3 and tightened all screws ( boards, case, SO-239 and any checked out the seating of coax jumpers in the rig for a secure fit.
> 
>  3.  I tried the K3 on a dummy load and all was good.
> 
> I am at a loss as to what is going on and am looking for some input? I check the rig again today on 20m and it's still having SWR bouncing issues. I have never had this in the past and am looking for feed back on things to check?
> 
> 
> Setup information
> 
> Radio K3 with antenna tuner (not being used rig is on bypass)
> 
> Antenna MFJ 1788 mag loop
> 
> Power 5 watts QRP
> 
> Coax RG 8X 30 ft
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Mike VE3WDM
> 
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> While on 20m I tuned the MFJ 1788 to the lowest SWR which was 1.2:1. I did this using the tune button on the K3. I noticed the SWR on the K3 was bouncing around from 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.4 and so on and never settling on just one reading. This only happens on 20m and no other band that I tuned on. Here is some of the trouble shooting I did.
> 
>  1.  I have a KX3 and hooked it up to the MFJ 1788 loop antenna and read the SWR. It showed 1.2:1 and no "bouncing" issues. I did remove the PL259 from the K3 ANT1 port and connected it to the KX3 so the test would include all that was in line with the K3. In line meaning coax, antenna switch and MFJ tuner box.
> 
>  2.  I opened up the K3 and tightened all screws ( boards, case, SO-239 and any checked out the seating of coax jumpers in the rig for a secure fit.
> 
>  3.  I tried the K3 on a dummy load and all was good.
> 
> I am at a loss as to what is going on and am looking for some input? I check the rig again today on 20m and it's still having SWR bouncing issues. I have never had this in the past and am looking for feed back on things to check?
> 
> 
> Setup information
> 
> Radio K3 with antenna tuner (not being used rig is on bypass)
> 
> Antenna MFJ 1788 mag loop
> 
> Power 5 watts QRP
> 
> Coax RG 8X 30 ft
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Mike VE3WDM
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Nov 28 19:25:05 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:25:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
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Yes. I think it is a 6- pole filter. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 4:20 PM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the old 200
> HZ filter. Is this correct?
> 
> If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air? 
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx
> 
> N2TK, Tony
> 
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From srmuenich at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 19:46:14 2016
From: srmuenich at gmail.com (Steve Muenich)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:46:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  XV-144 transverter
Message-ID: <9BE40205-4BBC-491C-B6E7-610C87D8E9CF@gmail.com>

For Sale:
XV-144 2m transverter. Excellent-mint condition. 
$400 shipped

Steve
NA5C


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From phystad at mac.com  Mon Nov 28 20:13:12 2016
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:13:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Dual Switched Radios with KAT500 Tuner
Message-ID: <57BEB5A3-60BA-471A-9DA4-E3B4CBC9D5D8@mac.com>

I would like to consider using my KAT500 tuner in a configuration switched between two radios.  One of them is my K3 and the other is my Icom 706.

My normal configuration is a full K-Line:

         K3/P3 ?> KPA500 ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas

This K-Line configuration is by the book full Elecraft cabling setup.

My alternate configuration is the Icom IC-706:

          IC-706  ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas

No amplifier in this configuration.

My first thought is that my 706 will be RF connected to the KAT500 only ? no other cabling as I am using with the K-Line.  While using the 706 the K3/P3-KPA500 will be switched off (front panel switch for KPA500).

I am thinking of using RF sensing for the frequency, band detection and thus switching to the right antenna by the KAT500 but I am not sure if this will work.  Manually switching is OK but would rather make use of auto-switched by KAT500.

Advice??  Is there anything wrong with this idea and my operating plan with the 706?  All cabling RF/Digital between K-Line and KAT500 will be left connected with the exception that RF input is actually physically switched between the K-Line and the 706 (only one connected to KAT500 at a time).

73, phil, K7PEH


From phystad at mac.com  Mon Nov 28 21:06:10 2016
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:06:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Dual Switched Radios with KAT500 Tuner
In-Reply-To: <26B7638C281646C2BB488E90A269FEED@JimPC>
References: <57BEB5A3-60BA-471A-9DA4-E3B4CBC9D5D8@mac.com>
	<26B7638C281646C2BB488E90A269FEED@JimPC>
Message-ID: <CD15A325-F734-44BB-BED0-C8FF8C9BA0EC@mac.com>

> < quoted from Jim Cox K4JAF>
> Main question I have:  Why would you want to use the 706 on HF when you have the K3?

I suppose the most direct and honest answer is ?because I want to?.  Actually, the 706 is sort of my backup radio if I ever need a backup radio.  And, I have a tendency to use my backup radio a couple of times per month just as a means of exercising it.  Right now, the antenna tuner I use with the 706 is a manual Palstar AT1KM which is bulky and takes up room on the desk.  I want to get rid of it.  Making dual use of the KAT500 would be a nice solution to getting rid of the AT1KM.

I also own a KX3 but I use it for portable QRP ops only ? it does not have an external amplifier.

>  I think the 706 covered 2 meters?  Hook the 2 meter antenna to it and use it there..

Of all the 2-meter solutions I have already, the 706 would be my last to use.  2-meters on the 706 is a hassle.
However, I do next to zero 2-meter work so a moot point.  I have a 2-meter Yaesu FM transceiver as well as the 2-meter option on the KX3,   and two Yaesu 2-meter capable HTs.


73, phil, K7PEH

> 



> -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 7:13 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Using Dual Switched Radios with KAT500 Tuner
> 
> I would like to consider using my KAT500 tuner in a configuration switched between two radios.  One of them is my K3 and the other is my Icom 706.
> 
> My normal configuration is a full K-Line:
> 
>        K3/P3 ?> KPA500 ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas
> 
> This K-Line configuration is by the book full Elecraft cabling setup.
> 
> My alternate configuration is the Icom IC-706:
> 
>         IC-706  ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas
> 
> No amplifier in this configuration.
> 
> My first thought is that my 706 will be RF connected to the KAT500 only ? no other cabling as I am using with the K-Line.  While using the 706 the K3/P3-KPA500 will be switched off (front panel switch for KPA500).
> 
> I am thinking of using RF sensing for the frequency, band detection and thus switching to the right antenna by the KAT500 but I am not sure if this will work.  Manually switching is OK but would rather make use of auto-switched by KAT500.
> 
> Advice??  Is there anything wrong with this idea and my operating plan with the 706?  All cabling RF/Digital between K-Line and KAT500 will be left connected with the exception that RF input is actually physically switched between the K-Line and the 706 (only one connected to KAT500 at a time).
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Mon Nov 28 22:51:54 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:51:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Dual Switched Radios with KAT500 Tuner
In-Reply-To: <CD15A325-F734-44BB-BED0-C8FF8C9BA0EC@mac.com>
References: <57BEB5A3-60BA-471A-9DA4-E3B4CBC9D5D8@mac.com>
	<26B7638C281646C2BB488E90A269FEED@JimPC>
	<CD15A325-F734-44BB-BED0-C8FF8C9BA0EC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2FB503B2-207F-42DF-BC63-808FA35F0570@me.com>

Phil;

How would you switch between the radios? Manual switch?
Be sure you also connect that you provide some method for cutting power on the transmitter when the KAT is tuning. This is built into the K3/KPA setup, but you also need to do it for the IC706.
You really don?t want to hot-switch the KAT500?s relays at 100 watts+. It would greatly shorten their life.

- Jack, W6FB

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> < quoted from Jim Cox K4JAF>
>> Main question I have:  Why would you want to use the 706 on HF when you have the K3?
> 
> I suppose the most direct and honest answer is ?because I want to?.  Actually, the 706 is sort of my backup radio if I ever need a backup radio.  And, I have a tendency to use my backup radio a couple of times per month just as a means of exercising it.  Right now, the antenna tuner I use with the 706 is a manual Palstar AT1KM which is bulky and takes up room on the desk.  I want to get rid of it.  Making dual use of the KAT500 would be a nice solution to getting rid of the AT1KM.
> 
> I also own a KX3 but I use it for portable QRP ops only ? it does not have an external amplifier.
> 
>> I think the 706 covered 2 meters?  Hook the 2 meter antenna to it and use it there..
> 
> Of all the 2-meter solutions I have already, the 706 would be my last to use.  2-meters on the 706 is a hassle.
> However, I do next to zero 2-meter work so a moot point.  I have a 2-meter Yaesu FM transceiver as well as the 2-meter option on the KX3,   and two Yaesu 2-meter capable HTs.
> 
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Using Dual Switched Radios with KAT500 Tuner
>> 
>> I would like to consider using my KAT500 tuner in a configuration switched between two radios.  One of them is my K3 and the other is my Icom 706.
>> 
>> My normal configuration is a full K-Line:
>> 
>>       K3/P3 ?> KPA500 ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas
>> 
>> This K-Line configuration is by the book full Elecraft cabling setup.
>> 
>> My alternate configuration is the Icom IC-706:
>> 
>>        IC-706  ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas
>> 
>> No amplifier in this configuration.
>> 
>> My first thought is that my 706 will be RF connected to the KAT500 only ? no other cabling as I am using with the K-Line.  While using the 706 the K3/P3-KPA500 will be switched off (front panel switch for KPA500).
>> 
>> I am thinking of using RF sensing for the frequency, band detection and thus switching to the right antenna by the KAT500 but I am not sure if this will work.  Manually switching is OK but would rather make use of auto-switched by KAT500.
>> 
>> Advice??  Is there anything wrong with this idea and my operating plan with the 706?  All cabling RF/Digital between K-Line and KAT500 will be left connected with the exception that RF input is actually physically switched between the K-Line and the 706 (only one connected to KAT500 at a time).
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From phystad at mac.com  Mon Nov 28 23:48:11 2016
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:48:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Dual Switched Radios with KAT500 Tuner
In-Reply-To: <2FB503B2-207F-42DF-BC63-808FA35F0570@me.com>
References: <57BEB5A3-60BA-471A-9DA4-E3B4CBC9D5D8@mac.com>
	<26B7638C281646C2BB488E90A269FEED@JimPC>
	<CD15A325-F734-44BB-BED0-C8FF8C9BA0EC@mac.com>
	<2FB503B2-207F-42DF-BC63-808FA35F0570@me.com>
Message-ID: <A312052F-C925-4C27-B249-6FE08D327EC3@mac.com>

Jack,

Switching using a CX-210 manual switch.  

By cutting power, you mean cutting back to low power for tuning right?  

I assume with the KAT500 running in manual mode, which is the way I use it now with the K3, I will not have the problem of auto-tune going into action while I am transmitting.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Phil;
> 
> How would you switch between the radios? Manual switch?
> Be sure you also connect that you provide some method for cutting power on the transmitter when the KAT is tuning. This is built into the K3/KPA setup, but you also need to do it for the IC706.
> You really don?t want to hot-switch the KAT500?s relays at 100 watts+. It would greatly shorten their life.
> 
> - Jack, W6FB
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> < quoted from Jim Cox K4JAF>
>>> Main question I have:  Why would you want to use the 706 on HF when you have the K3?
>> 
>> I suppose the most direct and honest answer is ?because I want to?.  Actually, the 706 is sort of my backup radio if I ever need a backup radio.  And, I have a tendency to use my backup radio a couple of times per month just as a means of exercising it.  Right now, the antenna tuner I use with the 706 is a manual Palstar AT1KM which is bulky and takes up room on the desk.  I want to get rid of it.  Making dual use of the KAT500 would be a nice solution to getting rid of the AT1KM.
>> 
>> I also own a KX3 but I use it for portable QRP ops only ? it does not have an external amplifier.
>> 
>>> I think the 706 covered 2 meters?  Hook the 2 meter antenna to it and use it there..
>> 
>> Of all the 2-meter solutions I have already, the 706 would be my last to use.  2-meters on the 706 is a hassle.
>> However, I do next to zero 2-meter work so a moot point.  I have a 2-meter Yaesu FM transceiver as well as the 2-meter option on the KX3,   and two Yaesu 2-meter capable HTs.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Using Dual Switched Radios with KAT500 Tuner
>>> 
>>> I would like to consider using my KAT500 tuner in a configuration switched between two radios.  One of them is my K3 and the other is my Icom 706.
>>> 
>>> My normal configuration is a full K-Line:
>>> 
>>>      K3/P3 ?> KPA500 ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas
>>> 
>>> This K-Line configuration is by the book full Elecraft cabling setup.
>>> 
>>> My alternate configuration is the Icom IC-706:
>>> 
>>>       IC-706  ?> KAT500 ?> Antennas
>>> 
>>> No amplifier in this configuration.
>>> 
>>> My first thought is that my 706 will be RF connected to the KAT500 only ? no other cabling as I am using with the K-Line.  While using the 706 the K3/P3-KPA500 will be switched off (front panel switch for KPA500).
>>> 
>>> I am thinking of using RF sensing for the frequency, band detection and thus switching to the right antenna by the KAT500 but I am not sure if this will work.  Manually switching is OK but would rather make use of auto-switched by KAT500.
>>> 
>>> Advice??  Is there anything wrong with this idea and my operating plan with the 706?  All cabling RF/Digital between K-Line and KAT500 will be left connected with the exception that RF input is actually physically switched between the K-Line and the 706 (only one connected to KAT500 at a time).
>>> 
>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>> 
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From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 29 04:11:31 2016
From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:11:31 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
	<003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
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I installed two of the new 200Hz filters in my K3 main and sub receivers a
few months ago as part of a major upgrade. Previously my narrowest filters
were the 400Hz.

I am very happy with the 200Hz filters and find them very good in contests
and pile up situations (when on the receiving end).

I generally operate split in such situations and transmit on VFO B and
receive on VFO A so that I can tune around the transmit frequency and pick
out stations with the very narrow filter.

73

Barry  VK2BJ

On 29 November 2016 at 10:39, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:

> Tnx Ian,
> On 80 and 160M this past weekend had the filter bandwidth set at 200HZ
> most of the time due to the QRN. The NR helped a little. Just trying to
> find out if worth the money to buy the new 200 HZ filter if I would really
> know the difference.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glcazzola at alice.it [mailto:glcazzola at alice.it]
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 6:00 PM
> To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: R: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
>
> The new filter has 6 poles and steeper sides than the older filter thet
> have only 5 poles. On my K3s I have also the 500hz 5 poles. I excluded the
> 8 poles filter becouse on a previous experience on my old FT1000MP  with
> the great 400hz ?paired filter by Inrad found them a little tiring on long
> listening - more poles, more ringing I think.
> I think that the new 200hz 6 poles is very good: I used it 48 hours CQ WPX
> and yesterday CQ WW CW, great radio and filters test,  without tiring my
> ears.
> Ian IK4EWX
>
> Invio eseguito dallo smartphone BlackBerry 10.
>   Messaggio originale
> Da: N2TK, Tony
> Inviato: luned? 28 novembre 2016 23:22
> A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Oggetto: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
>
> My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the old
> 200 HZ filter. Is this correct?
>
> If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air?
>
>
>
> Tnx
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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From n0nbd at outlook.com  Tue Nov 29 09:30:14 2016
From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:30:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Weird startup
Message-ID: <DM3PR19MB05054053CC9F49D561E75419EA8D0@DM3PR19MB0505.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I am not sure what my KX2 has been doing but it seemed "deaf at times" I have operated nothing but the simplest kit built rigs for 15 years so the KX2 has a bunch of stuff Im not sure of yet.

I just this morning upgraded the software to the latest version. It seems to hear really well I worked a guy in TX and he was gangbusters at 5 watts. Thanks Wayne and Eric for a great radio and easy fixes.

de Paul N0NBD


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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Nov 29 11:13:31 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shutting down
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References: <CA+33ts6srZOqOO7Qj55tbW0msrfK+S0f_bd8D4ahxCha4ANF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANckpc07tucL+g1p1HToZtn18sPvTfKefxHr=718Rmj4wqpL3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts6ks3EgzNy5_CiGPhW4f_iFHuCL0xtDVW9n6ukAi4Uh7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4qDspE+wP87XvhO2ZVe8i941tUhd0pZNmmoJQ44D_y2Q@mail.gmail.com>

A final update on this, as the problem is solved.

Jack looked at the logs and had a number of things to comment on, all very
helpful.  I knew this was not going to be solved without a trip to the
remote base.  It was not a simple software problem.

I am a big fan of looking at the facts (not guessing) and trying to work
out what may be contributing to the problem.  One of the things that Jack
said was:

*At this point I highly suspect the power source or the KPA supply. The
hypothesis is that when the power drain from the KPA rises, it causes the
supply source to drop, ending in *
*the problems you are seeing. The problem could be in the KPA?s power
connections, either through the switch or the power cord, or beyond this.
This is further supported by the High Voltage (too high) faults.*
*This usually means a wide swing on the AC supply, which could be due to
the power company or further point at the AC supply feed. Unfortunately
this means a long trip to the site to check on things, but if you have an
AC supply problem, this is warranted. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
If my analysis is indeed correct, you will want to correct the issue, then
check the supply voltage from the transformer to make sure it stays below
the maximum for the HV (90 volts).*

When I got to my remote base, I found 2 trees had landed on my power feeder
lines.  While the lines were not broken, the Neutral line was and this was
the problem as the system was unbalanced.

I called Ontario Hydro (Hydro One) and they had 2 guys and a bucket truck
onsite within 30 minutes.  The line was fixed within another 30 minutes and
after that, the Amp worked as it should.

It is a good thing it wasn't during the summer as I would have lost a lot
of appliances.  The only things running had switching power supplies in
them, so they survived.

Thanks to Elecraft for the excellent customer support and the smarts to
have good logging data in their amplifier to assist in diagnosing issue.

Many 73, Mike va3mw


On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
wrote:

> I wanted to say thanks to Jack for spending time after hours analyzing my
> KPA500 log and providing some detailed analysis.
>
> While I haven't solved the problem yet, I have enough clues that possibly
> support my theory of a bad AC supply line.
>
> I will likely get to my remote base over the weekend, so I should have the
> next clue on why it fails by then.
>
> It is thanks to the support of Elecraft that I buy their product.  In
> fact, when it comes to HF, I only use US manufactures for radios and
> supporting products.  That is because they all provide amazing service!
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps outdoors you have had a ground go bad, or a connector go bad, to
>> all of a sudden have RF in the shack. Connection work loose, that kind of
>> thing. These could happen without your seeing SWR on the line you are
>> transmitting on.
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I run a remote base with a KPA500.  The Amp is a 3 hour drive away.
>>>
>>> I can control just about everything remotely without effort.  The
>>> installation has been rock solid for years (Flex 6300 / KPA500)  and lots
>>> of chokes everwhere.
>>>
>>> Last week the unit worked fine.  Today the KPA500 appears to shut down
>>> based on the Remote GUI.
>>>
>>> I will be on SSB, and then I see the bar at the bottom go to PWR OFF,
>>> reset
>>> and go back to Powering ON/ Amp On.  This is when the amp is only
>>> producing
>>> about 300 watts peak (about 24 watts drive).
>>>
>>> There are no error messages displayed at all and the only thing I suspect
>>> it might be is low AC voltage into the amp.
>>>
>>> RF could be the problem, however in 2 years running contests, this is the
>>> first time I have seen a shutdown like this.  I run many Mix 43 chokes on
>>> all coax and signal lines.
>>>
>>> Are there other messages I can see by monitoring the Serial port at all?
>>> Any thing else I can do remotely?
>>>
>>> I can recreate this on 160/80/40m.  Those antennas are at least 150 ft
>>> from
>>> the station.
>>>
>>> Also, at times, the GUI will seem to freeze.  The buttons work, but the
>>> bar
>>> graphs are stuck frozen in time at a peak reading.  Yet, I can power off
>>> the amp when this happens.
>>>
>>> Currently, the amp is about 34F ambient temp.  In the past, I have used
>>> it
>>> well below that (-25F) without issue (last winter).
>>>
>>> My question is to the Elecraft guru's.  Any thoughts?  I am trying to
>>> retrieve more data from the KPA500 remotely.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
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>>
>>
>

From sjl219 at optonline.net  Tue Nov 29 11:20:11 2016
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:20:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Weird startup
In-Reply-To: <DM3PR19MB05054053CC9F49D561E75419EA8D0@DM3PR19MB0505.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM3PR19MB05054053CC9F49D561E75419EA8D0@DM3PR19MB0505.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7206b5c3.4e19.158b0e2ecfc.Webtop.36@optonline.net>

I upgraded yesterday and my "weird" situation appears to be resolved. 
?Probably a good practice to regularly upgrade to the latest level.....I 
should have trusted Elecraft more! ??


I certainly will from now on.


Thanks Wayne and Eric and 73,
Stan WB2LQF


On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 09:30 AM, Paul Smith wrote:

> I am not sure what my KX2 has been doing but it seemed "deaf at times" 
> I have operated nothing but the simplest kit built rigs for 15 years 
> so the KX2 has a bunch of stuff Im not sure of yet.
>
> I just this morning upgraded the software to the latest version. It 
> seems to hear really well I worked a guy in TX and he was gangbusters 
> at 5 watts. Thanks Wayne and Eric for a great radio and easy fixes.
>
> de Paul N0NBD
>
>
> Sent from Outlook
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From ww6dhamradio at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 14:14:36 2016
From: ww6dhamradio at gmail.com (Doug Bender)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:14:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Rig Control using Rigblaster Advantage COM port
Message-ID: <CAOffon_v1Jjm+x_bN8fA0dHhcLxN6_x94P0=RnNGWKpaF3cS2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I posted this note to the KX3 Yahoo group but with no answers.  So thought
I would try to larger group here...

I am trying to free up a USB port on my laptop and thought, why not use my
Rigblaster Advantage to control both the KX3 and send CW?

First off ? I have already verified that the USB to KX3 cable, that came
with the radio, works correctly with my KX3 using the KX3 Utility software
and also works with N1MM+.  (On my computer it is assigned COM3.)

So now I unplug the KX3USB cable and connect a KXSer-a cable from the RS232
on the back of the Rigblaster to the KX3.  The Rigblaster port has been
assigned to COM4 and verified using Device Manager.  Note:  this serial
cable is one that I purchased from Elecraft, not a homebrew cable.)

However, when I fire up the KX3 Utility and select COM4, it just cycles
through the baud rates.

I?m confident that the RigBlaster, using COM4, works because I can connect
my old Yaesu FT-1000MP and have rig control using it with N1MM+.

I?ve tried setting the Properties of COM4 under the Device Manager to slow
(4800) and fast (38400) settings to no avail.  I've tried setting Stop Bits
from 1 to 2, etc... no luck.

Any thoughts or other RigBlaster users using it to control the KX3?

Thanks,

Doug WW6D

From pkmaint at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 15:13:14 2016
From: pkmaint at yahoo.com (David N.)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:13:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier
References: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>

?Hello AllI just ordered a New KX3 (Kit)I am wanting to know if Keying?My Heathkit SB1000 (Ameritron AL80A) ?amplifier with key line off of the ACC2 will be a problemIt says that it is good for 30v @ 100ma. My Amplifier is 12v relay. Not sure current. I would think itwould be fine. But just wanted to check. I won't be able to order my KXPA100 till next year. Have to save the penny's for that one.Thanks
David KR4OWK2/100 4320

From hb9anm at bluewin.ch  Tue Nov 29 15:56:13 2016
From: hb9anm at bluewin.ch (Richard)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:56:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] SSB TX modulation heard in phones
Message-ID: <91e7036a-ba32-2a1e-8cab-aa0a1c6a8f2d@bluewin.ch>

Duri, HB9DOC, has an issue with his K3: when TXing on SSB, he hears his 
own voice in the phones, but only if the microphone is plugged into the 
rear connector, not when using the front panel one.
And it can?t be RF feedback since the sound is not distorted at all.
MON is set to 0
MIC+LIN is OFF
He is also using the P3.
We both searched the manual but no joy.
Suggestions will be much appreciated.

73
Richard - HB9ANM

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Nov 29 15:58:02 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:58:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6UyDnbGFYR8qO=BU40eNb19FbLu-q_geadHUUBx-mnFg@mail.gmail.com>

David

If the Amp keying line requires less than what the radio is able to
managed, you are good to go.

KX2 = 30v @100ma
Amp is 12V - current unknown

So, you can simply measure this just by plugging in the amp and using a
multimeter to measure the current being used by the relay.  You don't need
any RF hooked up to the amp as you are not driving it.

Take your meter in current mode and have one lead on ground and the other
to the center connector of the amp PTT lead.  You will hear a click when
the amp relay goes into transmit.  Measure the current on your meter and
make sure it is less than 100ma.

If it isn't you will require another relay to key the amp.

900 other people will tell you to install a commercial MFJ amp keying
 buffer.  :)  It won't be required if you draw less than 100ma.  Save your
money.  hi hi

I hope that helps.  It is all in the math.

Mike va3mw


On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:13 PM, David N. via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>  Hello AllI just ordered a New KX3 (Kit)I am wanting to know if Keying My
> Heathkit SB1000 (Ameritron AL80A)  amplifier with key line off of the ACC2
> will be a problemIt says that it is good for 30v @ 100ma. My Amplifier is
> 12v relay. Not sure current. I would think itwould be fine. But just wanted
> to check. I won't be able to order my KXPA100 till next year. Have to save
> the penny's for that one.Thanks
> David KR4OWK2/100 4320
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From jcox123 at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 29 16:05:25 2016
From: jcox123 at bellsouth.net (Jim Cox)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:05:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0FD81B81F1944E2A3126B6939977175@JimPC>

I believe the relay in the AL80 12volts at 100 ma.  I think it does draw a 
bit more than that, put your meter in line the keying relay jack and see 
what it draws.  I certainly would not want to key the older AL80 with a KX3. 
Jim K4JAF
-----Original Message----- 
From: David N. via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:13 PM
To: Elecraf
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier

Hello AllI just ordered a New KX3 (Kit)I am wanting to know if Keying My 
Heathkit SB1000 (Ameritron AL80A)  amplifier with key line off of the ACC2 
will be a problemIt says that it is good for 30v @ 100ma. My Amplifier is 
12v relay. Not sure current. I would think itwould be fine. But just wanted 
to check. I won't be able to order my KXPA100 till next year. Have to save 
the penny's for that one.Thanks
David KR4OWK2/100 4320
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From hb9anm at bluewin.ch  Tue Nov 29 16:07:17 2016
From: hb9anm at bluewin.ch (Richard)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:07:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [K3] SSB TX modulation heard in phones
In-Reply-To: <91e7036a-ba32-2a1e-8cab-aa0a1c6a8f2d@bluewin.ch>
References: <91e7036a-ba32-2a1e-8cab-aa0a1c6a8f2d@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <25a89a94-8508-7f57-3765-3ab4a9c71353@bluewin.ch>

Not HB9DOC  I meant HB9DCO. sri.

73
Richard - HB9ANM

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 29 16:15:45 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:15:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] SSB TX modulation heard in phones
In-Reply-To: <91e7036a-ba32-2a1e-8cab-aa0a1c6a8f2d@bluewin.ch>
References: <91e7036a-ba32-2a1e-8cab-aa0a1c6a8f2d@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <803cad12-829c-723e-ba14-12fab143b11d@embarqmail.com>

Richard,

FR feedback will not necessarily create a distorted sound, so do not 
rule that out.
One of the best checks to see if it is an RFI problem is to operate into 
a dummy load.  If the problem goes away, it is time for better common 
mode chokes on the antenna feedlines.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/29/2016 3:56 PM, Richard wrote:
> Duri, HB9DOC, has an issue with his K3: when TXing on SSB, he hears his
> own voice in the phones, but only if the microphone is plugged into the
> rear connector, not when using the front panel one.
> And it can?t be RF feedback since the sound is not distorted at all.
> MON is set to 0
> MIC+LIN is OFF
> He is also using the P3.
> We both searched the manual but no joy.
> Suggestions will be much appreciated.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 29 16:21:55 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:21:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <B0FD81B81F1944E2A3126B6939977175@JimPC>
References: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
	<B0FD81B81F1944E2A3126B6939977175@JimPC>
Message-ID: <fa03e2c5-5ef0-db47-0a04-3004a7f9400d@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

If the relay requires 100ma I would be hesitant to connect it to the KX3 
without additional information.
The reason is that the pull-in current can exceed the nominal current 
rating - so check the specs carefully.
I would trust it if the current meter check shows a current of 50ma or 
less, if it is as high as 100ma, I would not take the chance.  Remember 
that the digital current meter will not show the pull-in peak.

73,,
Don W3FPR


On 11/29/2016 4:05 PM, Jim Cox wrote:
> I believe the relay in the AL80 12volts at 100 ma.  I think it does draw
> a bit more than that, put your meter in line the keying relay jack and
> see what it draws.  I certainly would not want to key the older AL80
> with a KX3. Jim K4JAF
> -----Original Message----- From: David N. via Elecraft
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: Elecraf
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier
>
> Hello AllI just ordered a New KX3 (Kit)I am wanting to know if Keying My
> Heathkit SB1000 (Ameritron AL80A)  amplifier with key line off of the
> ACC2 will be a problemIt says that it is good for 30v @ 100ma. My
> Amplifier is 12v relay. Not sure current. I would think itwould be fine.
> But just wanted to check. I won't be able to order my KXPA100 till next
> year. Have to save the penny's for that one.Thanks

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 29 17:13:57 2016
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:13:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 151, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14008.1480453635.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.14008.1480453635.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1290d212-82d2-6219-3c77-b9bdc26ee171@googlemail.com>

On 29/11/16 21:07, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> From: Doug Bender
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Rig Control using Rigblaster Advantage COM
> 	port
>
> I posted this note to the KX3 Yahoo group but with no answers.  So thought
> I would try to larger group here...
>
> I am trying to free up a USB port on my laptop and thought, why not use my
> Rigblaster Advantage to control both the KX3 and send CW?
>
> First off ? I have already verified that the USB to KX3 cable, that came
> with the radio, works correctly with my KX3 using the KX3 Utility software
> and also works with N1MM+.  (On my computer it is assigned COM3.)
>
> So now I unplug the KX3USB cable and connect a KXSer-a cable from the RS232
> on the back of the Rigblaster to the KX3.  The Rigblaster port has been
> assigned to COM4 and verified using Device Manager.  Note:  this serial
> cable is one that I purchased from Elecraft, not a homebrew cable.)
>
> However, when I fire up the KX3 Utility and select COM4, it just cycles
> through the baud rates.
>
> I?m confident that the RigBlaster, using COM4, works because I can connect
> my old Yaesu FT-1000MP and have rig control using it with N1MM+.
>
> I?ve tried setting the Properties of COM4 under the Device Manager to slow
> (4800) and fast (38400) settings to no avail.  I've tried setting Stop Bits
> from 1 to 2, etc... no luck.
>
> Any thoughts or other RigBlaster users using it to control the KX3?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug WW6D
TXD and RXD crossed over?

Have you checked the continuity of the cable is correct, in regards to
the data lines and serial port on the back of the RigBlaster?   Does the
cable work the KX3 if used with a regular PC com port (or regular
USB<>serial adapter?)

NEVER assume that because something else worked, everything will.  Check
those data lines are correctly wired, and if needed also any loopbacks
to fake a good handshake condition for the RB.

Also, check for wrong voltage levels, not all serial ports are equal. 
You'll probably need a 'scope to do that on the fly.

73

Dave G0WBX.


From va2ss at outlook.com  Tue Nov 29 17:13:38 2016
From: va2ss at outlook.com (VA2SS)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:13:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] TX inhibit feature ??
Message-ID: <1480457618657-7624349.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

I looking a way to securely use my KX2 as a second receiver with K3S by
using the RX out.

Instead of putting the KX2 at 0W or by other work around, is there a way to
completely inhibit TX from the menu in a near futur with the KX2 ???

Actually I'm using my TS-590SG as a second receiver.... the TX inhibit
feature found in the transceiver menu is a way more secure to prevent any
mistake.

Thanks!

73 de Jeff | VA2SS 





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From alan at muldawer.com  Tue Nov 29 18:42:07 2016
From: alan at muldawer.com (Alan Muldawer)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 18:42:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2
Message-ID: <CAJ6vY6z6XSqBoyNy7TMJqtX2ZxFg359TpFyY2poxiyr8=kDMQw@mail.gmail.com>

Elecraft K2/100 Twins FS
I have a Elecraft K2 station for sale. $1250.00 plus shipping (paypal
accepted)
Station works great. Serial# 00247
Rare but handy "K2 Twins" configuration transceiver as described by KK7P
The KPA-100 amplifier and KAT-100 autotuner are housed in an enclosure
matching that of the K2. This allows the K2 to be detached and used as a
stand alone QRP/Portable battery powered rig or connected together for a
full 100+ watt base station. The K2 includes the following optional modules:

KNB2

KBT2

K160RX

KSB2

KAT2

KIO2

KAF2

You will get a serial cable and a BNC cable along with the radio and
tuner/amp and manuals ONLY, no more no less.

PHOTOS:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g21svqq5d9s3ay8/AAADSrpXRoRrtvuk3EAbhw8ua?dl=0

73
Alan N3ALN

From alan at muldawer.com  Tue Nov 29 18:44:36 2016
From: alan at muldawer.com (N3ALN)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:44:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2/100 Twins FS
Message-ID: <1480463076774-7624352.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have a Elecraft K2 station for sale. $1250.00 plus shipping (paypal
accepted) 
Station works great. Serial# 00247
Rare but handy "K2 Twins" configuration transceiver as described by KK7P The
KPA-100 amplifier and KAT-100 autotuner are housed in an enclosure matching
that of the K2. This allows the K2 to be detached and used as a stand alone
QRP/Portable battery powered rig or connected together for a full 100+ watt
base station. The K2 includes the following optional modules:

KNB2
KBT2
K160RX
KSB2
KAT2
KIO2
KAF2

You will get a serial cable and a BNC cable along with the radio and
tuner/amp and manuals ONLY, no more no less.

PHOTOS:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g21svqq5d9s3ay8/AAADSrpXRoRrtvuk3EAbhw8ua?dl=0

73
Alan N3ALN



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From maxrcul at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 22:25:48 2016
From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:25:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
Message-ID: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>

I'm new to Elecraft and was wondering how most of you handle digital communications.

Use the K3 Utility program for digital modes or something like SignalLink USB with fldigi or equivalent?

Bill - W3PNM

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Nov 29 23:14:51 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:14:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
References: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23f42889-cfbc-c6c0-89c7-8989556ff65d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,11/29/2016 7:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote:
> I'm new to Elecraft and was wondering how most of you handle digital communications.

Just like any other good radio -- I use a good quality USB audio 
interface between the computer and the Line In and Line Out connectors 
on the back panel of the radio. I use AFSK for RTTY, and the Digital A 
setting for all other modes. For RTTY, I use MMTTY and 2Tone with 
WinWarbler for every day operation, and with N1MM Plus for contesting. I 
use WSJT-X for the modes it supports, WSJT for the other JT modes. I 
don't work other digital modes.

SignaLink USB is a pretty poor quality product, and it's WAY out of 
date. Here are recommendations for some good ones, all of which are 
cheaper. :) http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

73, Jim K9YC



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Nov 29 23:16:38 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:16:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
References: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <075aa12b-3604-f6b7-dde3-8d36693db170@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Sorry, I missed that this is for a K3S.  You don't need any outboard 
audio interface, use the one built into the K3S.

Forgot to mention that I use VOX for all digital modes.

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,11/29/2016 7:25 PM, Bill DeVore wrote:
> I'm new to Elecraft and was wondering how most of you handle digital communications.



From dmoes at nexicom.net  Tue Nov 29 23:35:57 2016
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:35:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
Message-ID: <583e572d.5777.50da5940.26210e52@nexicom.net>


 Digital with the K3  is much like with other rigs but with a few 
differences

Im not sure if you have a K3 or K3s   but neither need a signal link   
but they can be used.   the K3s has a built in sound adapter that can 
is used through the USB port.   with an older K3 you can use any sound 
adapter including the one built into most computers and connect it to 
the line in and out on the rear of the K3, it has internal isolation 
so this function of a  signallink is not really needed.

For software you can use what ever you chose  be it FLdigi HRD or 
MMvari or whatever you prefer.   setup is a little different regarding 
driving the rig.   with most rigs you want to drive it with no ALC 
meter deflection.  with the K3 however it should be with the fourth 
bar showing and flickering the fifth bar.     you then adjust your 
output power with the power adjustment.   runining digital with a K3 
it is possible to run much more power out than with most conventional 
rigs.      this setup makes the K3 in my opinion a fantastic rig for 
digital modes.

there are alot of fine points using the different digital settings on 
the rig. so the manual will be a must  if not Fred Caddy's book.  
which is highly recommended.

David Moes
VE3SD



> --- Original message ---
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
> From: Bill DeVore <maxrcul at gmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Tuesday, 29/11/2016 10:26 PM
>
> I'm new to Elecraft and was wondering how most of you handle digital 
> communications.
>
> Use the K3 Utility program for digital modes or something like 
> SignalLink USB with fldigi or equivalent?
>
> Bill - W3PNM
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From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 23:41:15 2016
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:41:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
References: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHv0tu0Njb6Y-E+tG52z8sZzfzxUpOh-OM84CpzwvnaEaQ@mail.gmail.com>

The K3S has a built in sound card... via the USB connection.  You can
download the manual for the K3S here and read about the USB interface and
sound card: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Owner's%20man%20A1.pdf

Here is the review from the ARRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=wMy3f52sSvo

If the Elecraft user manual isn't enough and you are close to pulling the
trigger on a K3S, you might want to spend $45 on "The Elecraft K3S & P3" by
Fred Cady" (on the order page)  Well worth the investment.

At the end of the day, you don't need an external sound card, but you can
use one if you want to... then pair it up with the software of your choice,
fldigi, dxlab, mmtty, etc... etc...  Google, google, google... the sky is
the limit on the information you will find. YouTube etc...

Max NG7M





On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Bill DeVore <maxrcul at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm new to Elecraft and was wondering how most of you handle digital
> communications.
>
> Use the K3 Utility program for digital modes or something like SignalLink
> USB with fldigi or equivalent?
>
> Bill - W3PNM
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From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 23:58:33 2016
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAFYRpHv0tu0Njb6Y-E+tG52z8sZzfzxUpOh-OM84CpzwvnaEaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
	<CAFYRpHv0tu0Njb6Y-E+tG52z8sZzfzxUpOh-OM84CpzwvnaEaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHuuFpRC4=7LyqzgZH571p8donM2Djm2YyhYaxzGp+7SKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wow that ARRL review on the K3S was terrible (and I'm being generous)...
sorry I even put a link in for it.  There must be a better video review out
there.  Sorry.

Max NG7M

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:41 PM, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The K3S has a built in sound card... via the USB connection.  You can
> download the manual for the K3S here and read about the USB interface and
> sound card: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Owner's%20man%20A1.pdf
>
> Here is the review from the ARRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=wMy3f52sSvo
>
> If the Elecraft user manual isn't enough and you are close to pulling the
> trigger on a K3S, you might want to spend $45 on "The Elecraft K3S & P3" by
> Fred Cady" (on the order page)  Well worth the investment.
>
> At the end of the day, you don't need an external sound card, but you can
> use one if you want to... then pair it up with the software of your choice,
> fldigi, dxlab, mmtty, etc... etc...  Google, google, google... the sky is
> the limit on the information you will find. YouTube etc...
>
> Max NG7M
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Bill DeVore <maxrcul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm new to Elecraft and was wondering how most of you handle digital
>> communications.
>>
>> Use the K3 Utility program for digital modes or something like SignalLink
>> USB with fldigi or equivalent?
>>
>> Bill - W3PNM
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Wed Nov 30 00:03:14 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:03:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
References: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <em74af6f22-80bb-41b7-947a-14cbf4b90724@laptop3>

Bill,
     You ask a very good question. You could use a SignaLink with FLDIGI. 
But, why do it that way as Elecraft made the option OBE. You have, 
essentially, a built in SignaLink. It will show up in the sound card 
list for FLDIGI. I did this for the last RTTY contest, and it worked out 
very well.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

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From: "Bill DeVore" <maxrcul at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 11/29/2016 10:25:48 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S

>I'm new to Elecraft and was wondering how most of you handle digital 
>communications.
>
>Use the K3 Utility program for digital modes or something like 
>SignalLink USB with fldigi or equivalent?
>
>Bill - W3PNM
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Nov 30 03:20:42 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:20:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAFYRpHuuFpRC4=7LyqzgZH571p8donM2Djm2YyhYaxzGp+7SKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C68343B-C399-42DC-BAEE-EDA257790BBF@gmail.com>
	<CAFYRpHv0tu0Njb6Y-E+tG52z8sZzfzxUpOh-OM84CpzwvnaEaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFYRpHuuFpRC4=7LyqzgZH571p8donM2Djm2YyhYaxzGp+7SKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F242FF9-4677-40FF-A793-71B90CCA4A58@yahoo.co.uk>

George,

I have to say all the ARRL QST "video reviews" are terrible. So dumbed down, Bob telling you where the antenna socket is, and that kind of thing. Of no earthly use. I really don't know why they bother, I have never learned a thing from any of them. 

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 30 Nov 2016, at 04:58, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow that ARRL review on the K3S was terrible (and I'm being generous)...
> sorry I even put a link in for it.  There must be a better video review out
> there.  Sorry.
> 
> Max NG7M
> 


From monk1925 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 03:46:37 2016
From: monk1925 at gmail.com (Bill Bauer)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 02:46:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Mailing list
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 30 06:48:39 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 06:48:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <CA+03d8heOhai3v1KoH83-SXW-0-e0F_kjpvi7Juy1kB8hOeaAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
	<003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
	<CA+03d8heOhai3v1KoH83-SXW-0-e0F_kjpvi7Juy1kB8hOeaAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006201d24aff$b19084c0$14b18e40$@verizon.net>

Hi Barry,

Tnx for the info.

Yes, I do like my 200HZ filters. I have one in each rig. When running split when bands are crowded I can have the VFO A width down to 200HZ. Usually I have VFO B wider.

I was trying to find out if the new 200 HZ filters had any advantages over the older 200 HZ filters that you could hear. From Elecraft feedback It seems the newer filters are better but probably you could not hear the difference.

 

73,

N2TK, Tony

 

From: vk2bj.au at gmail.com [mailto:vk2bj.au at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry Simpson
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:12 AM
To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net>
Cc: glcazzola at alice.it; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

 

I installed two of the new 200Hz filters in my K3 main and sub receivers a few months ago as part of a major upgrade. Previously my narrowest filters were the 400Hz.

 

I am very happy with the 200Hz filters and find them very good in contests and pile up situations (when on the receiving end).

 

I generally operate split in such situations and transmit on VFO B and receive on VFO A so that I can tune around the transmit frequency and pick out stations with the very narrow filter.

 

73

 

Barry  VK2BJ

 

On 29 November 2016 at 10:39, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net <mailto:tony.kaz at verizon.net> > wrote:

Tnx Ian,
On 80 and 160M this past weekend had the filter bandwidth set at 200HZ most of the time due to the QRN. The NR helped a little. Just trying to find out if worth the money to buy the new 200 HZ filter if I would really know the difference.

73,
N2TK, Tony

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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 6:00 PM
To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net <mailto:tony.kaz at verizon.net> >; elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: R: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

The new filter has 6 poles and steeper sides than the older filter thet have only 5 poles. On my K3s I have also the 500hz 5 poles. I excluded the 8 poles filter becouse on a previous experience on my old FT1000MP  with the great 400hz ?paired filter by Inrad found them a little tiring on long listening - more poles, more ringing I think.
I think that the new 200hz 6 poles is very good: I used it 48 hours CQ WPX and yesterday CQ WW CW, great radio and filters test,  without tiring my ears.
Ian IK4EWX

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  Messaggio originale
Da: N2TK, Tony
Inviato: luned? 28 novembre 2016 23:22
A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Oggetto: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

My understanding is that the new 200 HZ filter is different than the old 200 HZ filter. Is this correct?

If so, is the difference even possible to detect on the air?



Tnx

N2TK, Tony

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From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 30 07:30:51 2016
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (VE3WDM)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:30:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1480509051311-7624363.post@n2.nabble.com>

I just wanted to give an update to my SWR issue and thank everyone for their
time and helpful input. I solved the issue and the SWR on 20m is back to
normal now. What i did was this......I never had this issue in the past
which had me sitting down and thinking "what has changed"? The only thing
that was done was I put up the Christmas lights on our balcony. After the
process of elimination I found the extension cord feeding the lights was the
issue! When the extension cord is removed from the balcony the issue is
solved. As a matter of fact all that has to be done is unpluging it from the
outlet on the balcony. 
73 
Mike 
VE3WDM



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From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 07:43:01 2016
From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:43:01 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3
In-Reply-To: <1480509051311-7624363.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <YTOPR01MB002895B7A6E1A1997A4DA4F1918A0@YTOPR01MB0028.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1480509051311-7624363.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+h_a7+qpxA2RqCGr6X92BoV2kf=_wYAVY3ta1JAqjwd6gq+Gg@mail.gmail.com>

hello

talking about SWR issue, I had a issue that took my attention many moths
ago but since I can solve it, now just I have the concern to know why this
happens

Some times i notice high SWR on the K3 (2.4:1) and normal on my LP100
(1.3:1).

So i turn on the ATU, adjust SWR on the K3 with ATU TUNE and it?s now
normal on the K3 (1.3:1).  then I turn off ATU and SWR remain good in 1.3:1

So why this first reading of 2.4:1? really strange

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

2016-11-30 9:30 GMT-03:00 VE3WDM <ve3wdm at hotmail.com>:

> I just wanted to give an update to my SWR issue and thank everyone for
> their
> time and helpful input. I solved the issue and the SWR on 20m is back to
> normal now. What i did was this......I never had this issue in the past
> which had me sitting down and thinking "what has changed"? The only thing
> that was done was I put up the Christmas lights on our balcony. After the
> process of elimination I found the extension cord feeding the lights was
> the
> issue! When the extension cord is removed from the balcony the issue is
> solved. As a matter of fact all that has to be done is unpluging it from
> the
> outlet on the balcony.
> 73
> Mike
> VE3WDM
>
>
>
> --
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From fcady at montana.edu  Wed Nov 30 11:26:58 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:26:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Lulu 35% discount on KE7X print books
Message-ID: <BY2PR0201MB0808C765BAE8546A264781BDAF8C0@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

It looks like www.lulu.com<http://www.lulu.com> is offering a 35% discount on KE7X print books (I don't think it applies to pdf books, though).  It may only be good for today.  The discount code is NIGEL35.


For pdf books there is a 5% discount code LULUORDERS5.


73,

Fred KE7X

For info on all KE7X books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com>.

(A macro programming book is coming shortly.)

From no3m at no3m.net  Wed Nov 30 12:00:40 2016
From: no3m at no3m.net (Eric NO3M)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 12:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
	<003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <65770a87-1025-1617-7754-357832e71690@no3m.net>

I find the 200Hz filter most useful to knock down adjacent QRM, ie. 
during crowded contest conditions, not so much dealing with QRN. Try 
opening up the bandwidth to 500-700Hz when QRN is bad.  The brain 
generally does a better job discerning a weak signal when there is more 
noise bandwidth, but of course, depends on the operator.  APF doesn't 
seem particularly useful on very weak signals when a certain amount of 
QRN is present either.

I had decent copy of 8Q7SP on QSB peaks on 160M last night with the 
bandwidth set at 550Hz... no chance with anything much narrower.

73 Eric NO3M

On 11/28/2016 06:39 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Tnx Ian,
> On 80 and 160M this past weekend had the filter bandwidth set at 200HZ most of the time due to the QRN. The NR helped a little. Just trying to find out if worth the money to buy the new 200 HZ filter if I would really know the difference.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Nov 30 12:50:26 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:50:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <65770a87-1025-1617-7754-357832e71690@no3m.net>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
	<003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
	<65770a87-1025-1617-7754-357832e71690@no3m.net>
Message-ID: <b80fefc8-9d78-3d47-a98f-50c8ad409844@audiosystemsgroup.com>

AGREE!  There's also some serious science behind Eric's observation -- 
the skirts of filters made with real components cause phase distortion, 
often described as "ringing." Noise excites that ringing at the 
frequency of the filter slopes, and confuse the brain when trying to 
decode CW.

The same thing happens when the crystal filters in the K2 are aligned 
for RX bandwidths narrower than the TX filter -- the amplitude response 
is a bunch of peaks, and the resulting phase distortion makes SSB hard 
to copy. At full RX bandwidth, the K2 uses the TX filter, which sounds 
very good.

73, Jim K9YC

On Wed,11/30/2016 9:00 AM, Eric NO3M wrote:
> I find the 200Hz filter most useful to knock down adjacent QRM, ie. 
> during crowded contest conditions, not so much dealing with QRN. Try 
> opening up the bandwidth to 500-700Hz when QRN is bad. 



From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 30 13:28:27 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:28:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <65770a87-1025-1617-7754-357832e71690@no3m.net>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
	<003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
	<65770a87-1025-1617-7754-357832e71690@no3m.net>
Message-ID: <003101d24b37$8b584cb0$a208e610$@verizon.net>

Eric,
I agree and open up the bandwidth when there isn't strong adjacent signals,
especially with the upper bands. But on Topband I do seem to hear better in
the QRN with the filter narrowed down to 200HZ.
I do wonder why the difference we both see on Topband with you using a wider
setting and I am using a narrower setting? Maybe you have better receive
antennas?
I only have a couple Pennants, a short 3-el vert inline array that I can't
get working well and a BOG. I haven't optimized the length yet on the BOG.
But so far it hear fairly well. I sure do miss my long beverages when I
lived in Joisey.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric
NO3M
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:01 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

I find the 200Hz filter most useful to knock down adjacent QRM, ie. 
during crowded contest conditions, not so much dealing with QRN. Try opening
up the bandwidth to 500-700Hz when QRN is bad.  The brain generally does a
better job discerning a weak signal when there is more noise bandwidth, but
of course, depends on the operator.  APF doesn't seem particularly useful on
very weak signals when a certain amount of QRN is present either.

I had decent copy of 8Q7SP on QSB peaks on 160M last night with the
bandwidth set at 550Hz... no chance with anything much narrower.

73 Eric NO3M

On 11/28/2016 06:39 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Tnx Ian,
> On 80 and 160M this past weekend had the filter bandwidth set at 200HZ
most of the time due to the QRN. The NR helped a little. Just trying to find
out if worth the money to buy the new 200 HZ filter if I would really know
the difference.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
>

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From no3m at no3m.net  Wed Nov 30 13:50:01 2016
From: no3m at no3m.net (Eric NO3M)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <003101d24b37$8b584cb0$a208e610$@verizon.net>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
	<003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
	<65770a87-1025-1617-7754-357832e71690@no3m.net>
	<003101d24b37$8b584cb0$a208e610$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <eb0e1688-9fb5-1932-3a9c-ddd8a82a3e71@no3m.net>

Tony

I have large beverage arrays in each direction as well as a passive BSEF 
8-circle:

http://no3m.net/antennas/receive-antennas/

I am planning to add a couple new 8-circles, one in the front and one in 
the back of the property, 2200 ft center-to-center, that should provide 
excellent stereo diversity (4 wavelengths on 160M).

73 Eric NO3M



On 11/30/2016 01:28 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Eric,
> I agree and open up the bandwidth when there isn't strong adjacent signals,
> especially with the upper bands. But on Topband I do seem to hear better in
> the QRN with the filter narrowed down to 200HZ.
> I do wonder why the difference we both see on Topband with you using a wider
> setting and I am using a narrower setting? Maybe you have better receive
> antennas?
> I only have a couple Pennants, a short 3-el vert inline array that I can't
> get working well and a BOG. I haven't optimized the length yet on the BOG.
> But so far it hear fairly well. I sure do miss my long beverages when I
> lived in Joisey.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
>


From no3m at no3m.net  Wed Nov 30 14:13:16 2016
From: no3m at no3m.net (Eric NO3M)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 14:13:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
In-Reply-To: <003101d24b37$8b584cb0$a208e610$@verizon.net>
References: <006001d249bd$378efcd0$a6acf670$@verizon.net>
	<20161128230023.6287442.84803.21068@alice.it>
	<003501d249d0$aa5be4e0$ff13aea0$@verizon.net>
	<65770a87-1025-1617-7754-357832e71690@no3m.net>
	<003101d24b37$8b584cb0$a208e610$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8cba6409-8703-8d8c-9680-49c54f5f60d2@no3m.net>

We may also be referring to different types of QRN.  I have almost zero 
local noise, the transmit antenna is usually about S1 midday and on 
quiet nights, S2-3 at night.

Locally generated QRN is generally more even and narrow filtering may be 
beneficial in that case.  Propagated QRN, which is what I mainly hear, 
is more erratic, with bursts and inconsistent behavior, where wider 
bandwidths seem to benefit.  As Jim points out, there is science behind 
it, but I also think the inherent phase distortion and how it is 
processed / handled by the brain may be a function of the individual to 
some extent.

73 Eric NO3M

On 11/30/2016 01:28 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Eric,
> I agree and open up the bandwidth when there isn't strong adjacent signals,
> especially with the upper bands. But on Topband I do seem to hear better in
> the QRN with the filter narrowed down to 200HZ.
> I do wonder why the difference we both see on Topband with you using a wider
> setting and I am using a narrower setting? Maybe you have better receive
> antennas?
> I only have a couple Pennants, a short 3-el vert inline array that I can't
> get working well and a BOG. I haven't optimized the length yet on the BOG.
> But so far it hear fairly well. I sure do miss my long beverages when I
> lived in Joisey.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
>


From kevin at k4vd.net  Wed Nov 30 15:55:17 2016
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Firmware Update Question
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujvU3-+jcWdW1fkXT2KXR7vDBqZwxVOjuUuSmerrjuuxAA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi... I just got my new (used) PX3 and I'm going through the firmware
update process. I downloaded the latest Elecraft PX3 Utility (1.15.8.1). It
shows I have firmware revision 01.45 installed and that 01.39 is available.

What did I miss?

73 & Thanks,
Kev K4VD

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Nov 30 16:03:13 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:03:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Firmware Update Question
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvU3-+jcWdW1fkXT2KXR7vDBqZwxVOjuUuSmerrjuuxAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujvU3-+jcWdW1fkXT2KXR7vDBqZwxVOjuUuSmerrjuuxAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11350745-3B3C-4C39-8420-E29D78B41539@wunderwood.org>

Looking at the FTP site, 1.45 is beta software. 1.39 is the latest
production release.

If it is working OK, staying with 1.45 should be OK. The file 
archive was made on July 13th, so it probably is not badly
broken. 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi... I just got my new (used) PX3 and I'm going through the firmware
> update process. I downloaded the latest Elecraft PX3 Utility (1.15.8.1). It
> shows I have firmware revision 01.45 installed and that 01.39 is available.
> 
> What did I miss?
> 
> 73 & Thanks,
> Kev K4VD
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From phvidston at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 16:05:48 2016
From: phvidston at gmail.com (Paul Hvidston)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 14:05:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26fcbc8d-4bf8-2e83-611e-98cd8577bdc3@gmail.com>

(had to change email subscription to post to reflector. lets see if this one works...)

The AL80A uses a 12V 100mA relay coil that is pulled to ground to
activate. There is no back-EMF diode in the circuit. The KX3 keying
output is simply the open drain of a 2N7002 low-power MOSFET, also with
no back-EMF protection other than its internal channel diode and an
additional 0.01 uF cap. You could probably "get away" with it, but I
would not recommend it. There is limited protection on the I/O of the
KX3. The lines typically have RC networks to limit RFI and current, but
driving an inductive relay is asking a bit much. A safer solution would
be a simple driver to protect your KX3 from a repair trip to the factory.

On a similar note, the Black Friday sale pushed me off the fence and I
ordered a KX3 (my first Elecraft), woo hoo! I've got an SB-200 that I can hook up
to the KX3 to provide about 80 watts out if I want QRO while saving up
money for a linear for the little guy. My SB-200 has the Harbach keying
circuit so it's good to go. The Harbach circuit was not quite designed
correctly, but that's a story for another list, HI.

vy 72 de Paul/N6MGN, Montana


On 11/29/2016 1:13 PM, David N. via Elecraft wrote:
>  Hello AllI just ordered a New KX3 (Kit)I am wanting to know if Keying My Heathkit SB1000 (Ameritron AL80A)  amplifier with key line off of the ACC2 will be a problemIt says that it is good for 30v @ 100ma. My Amplifier is 12v relay. Not sure current. I would think itwould be fine. But just wanted to check. I won't be able to order my KXPA100 till next year. Have to save the penny's for that one.Thanks
> David KR4OWK2/100 4320
>


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Wed Nov 30 16:13:57 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:13:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Firmware Update Question
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvU3-+jcWdW1fkXT2KXR7vDBqZwxVOjuUuSmerrjuuxAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujvU3-+jcWdW1fkXT2KXR7vDBqZwxVOjuUuSmerrjuuxAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f640e0b6-e7cd-a0d9-152a-a069f2c1fe3a@socal.rr.com>


From elanpeim at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 16:23:14 2016
From: elanpeim at gmail.com (Elan Paim)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 21:23:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2
Message-ID: <CAKE+kAn_sxyPOBvoyMi_SS3cUao4XASsMAyitbwHhiCeRDnXqg@mail.gmail.com>

hi
i am after k2 with high serial number 6k or 7k s/n
with all option [not need to have the 100w amp ]
have to be built by one of the Elecraft builder recommendation please
and in nice good condition in and out i can paypal
thank you kind
vy 73 elan g0uut

From kevin at k4vd.net  Wed Nov 30 16:27:38 2016
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:27:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Firmware Update Question
In-Reply-To: <f640e0b6-e7cd-a0d9-152a-a069f2c1fe3a@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAFA9ujvU3-+jcWdW1fkXT2KXR7vDBqZwxVOjuUuSmerrjuuxAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f640e0b6-e7cd-a0d9-152a-a069f2c1fe3a@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsN6TQE0t_oxXji-h3Wu6QO+QAXFcrtsr9iUCA5MVo7Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Gotcha! Thanks. So if I want to play with beta software (which I often
enjoy doing) I need to check the FTP site. Otherwise, if I stick with
production software I should go with the utility.

Things seem to be working real nicely so I'll stay where I am at the
moment. It's a great little box.

Thanks again,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:

>
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Wed Nov 30 16:50:18 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer iPhone)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:50:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 To SB1000 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <26fcbc8d-4bf8-2e83-611e-98cd8577bdc3@gmail.com>
References: <694161934.2586202.1480450394634.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<694161934.2586202.1480450394634@mail.yahoo.com>
	<26fcbc8d-4bf8-2e83-611e-98cd8577bdc3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24EFEA0D-AA69-49BE-9C13-66EF1F938D0C@roadrunner.com>

Welcome to the fold, Paul. 

-Matt
Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein
[iPhone]




> On Nov 30, 2016, at 13:05, Paul Hvidston <phvidston at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> (had to change email subscription to post to reflector. lets see if this one works...)
> 
> The AL80A uses a 12V 100mA relay coil that is pulled to ground to
> activate. There is no back-EMF diode in the circuit. The KX3 keying
> output is simply the open drain of a 2N7002 low-power MOSFET, also with
> no back-EMF protection other than its internal channel diode and an
> additional 0.01 uF cap. You could probably "get away" with it, but I
> would not recommend it. There is limited protection on the I/O of the
> KX3. The lines typically have RC networks to limit RFI and current, but
> driving an inductive relay is asking a bit much. A safer solution would
> be a simple driver to protect your KX3 from a repair trip to the factory.
> 
> On a similar note, the Black Friday sale pushed me off the fence and I
> ordered a KX3 (my first Elecraft), woo hoo! I've got an SB-200 that I can hook up
> to the KX3 to provide about 80 watts out if I want QRO while saving up
> money for a linear for the little guy. My SB-200 has the Harbach keying
> circuit so it's good to go. The Harbach circuit was not quite designed
> correctly, but that's a story for another list, HI.
> 
> vy 72 de Paul/N6MGN, Montana
> 
> 
>> On 11/29/2016 1:13 PM, David N. via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hello AllI just ordered a New KX3 (Kit)I am wanting to know if Keying My Heathkit SB1000 (Ameritron AL80A)  amplifier with key line off of the ACC2 will be a problemIt says that it is good for 30v @ 100ma. My Amplifier is 12v relay. Not sure current. I would think itwould be fine. But just wanted to check. I won't be able to order my KXPA100 till next year. Have to save the penny's for that one.Thanks
>> David KR4OWK2/100 4320
>> 
> 
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From tomdon92 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 17:48:38 2016
From: tomdon92 at gmail.com (Thomas Donohue)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band data 1 connection to the Yaesu VL1000 query
Message-ID: <8447A436-470C-4662-93EC-960838347015@gmail.com>

Hi to all:

This subject has been posted before and I found the answer on the Elecraft historical threads web page. In any event I tried the recommended solution but have not been able to get the K3S to key the VL1000.

Specifically, I?m using a Band data one cable put together by Array Solutions (designator K3VL1K1) to connect the ACC output on the K3S to the Band data 1 input on the VL1000. With the VL1000 turned off and the power supply turned on, I can use the K3S on all bands FB; When I turn the VL1000 on and select input 1, I can use the K3S on all bands, with auto band switching by the VL1000. However, when I press the operate button on the VL1000, the unit will not key on any band, but the auto band switching function on the VL1000 continues to work. My initial thought is that the K3VL1K1 is not wired correctly and will not key the amp. But, when I checked the wiring it appeared to be wired correctly. So my query is (1)Is the K3VL1K1 the correct cable for what I?m trying to do (i.e. auto band switch and key the amplifier?, and if it is the correct cable is there a config menu setting that needs to be implemented (i?ve checked and haven?t found any)?, or is there something I?m missing or not doing. Any thoughts or advice will be appreciated.

Best 73,
Tom/W1QU

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov 30 18:17:15 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:17:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mailing list
In-Reply-To: <F6419B00-39E3-4BBC-98BB-5E6881E76888@gmail.com>
References: <F6419B00-39E3-4BBC-98BB-5E6881E76888@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8D13098-104D-48DB-B3AF-D3D1B0B5ED8E@widomaker.com>

Is this where we should turn the BIG knob (DELETE KEY)?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 30, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Bill Bauer <monk1925 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov 30 18:22:22 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:22:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3
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Note to self:  When asked "What did you change since it worked before?" Is not restricted to the radio system!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:30 AM, VE3WDM <ve3wdm at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to give an update to my SWR issue and thank everyone for their
> time and helpful input. I solved the issue and the SWR on 20m is back to
> normal now. What i did was this......I never had this issue in the past
> which had me sitting down and thinking "what has changed"? The only thing
> that was done was I put up the Christmas lights on our balcony. After the
> process of elimination I found the extension cord feeding the lights was the
> issue! When the extension cord is removed from the balcony the issue is
> solved. As a matter of fact all that has to be done is unpluging it from the
> outlet on the balcony. 
> 73 
> Mike 
> VE3WDM
> 
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Nov 30 18:25:11 2016
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:25:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band data 1 connection to the Yaesu VL1000 query
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Tom,

It sounds to me like the cable does not include the keying signal to the 
amp.

Try putting a cable from the K3S KEYOUT jack to the amp KEYIN (or 
whatever it is named) - RCA mono cable - and see if it works.

Caution: I know nothing about that amp or the cable - it just "seems to 
me---".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/30/2016 5:48 PM, Thomas Donohue wrote:
> Hi to all:
>
> This subject has been posted before and I found the answer on the Elecraft historical threads web page. In any event I tried the recommended solution but have not been able to get the K3S to key the VL1000.
>
> Specifically, I?m using a Band data one cable put together by Array Solutions (designator K3VL1K1) to connect the ACC output on the K3S to the Band data 1 input on the VL1000. With the VL1000 turned off and the power supply turned on, I can use the K3S on all bands FB; When I turn the VL1000 on and select input 1, I can use the K3S on all bands, with auto band switching by the VL1000. However, when I press the operate button on the VL1000, the unit will not key on any band, but the auto band switching function on the VL1000 continues to work. My initial thought is that the K3VL1K1 is not wired correctly and will not key the amp. But, when I checked the wiring it appeared to be wired correctly. So my query is (1)Is the K3VL1K1 the correct cable for what I?m trying to do (i.e. auto band switch and key the amplifier?, and if it is the correct cable is there a config menu setting that needs to be implemented (i?ve checked and haven?t found any)?, or is there something I?m missing or not doing. Any thoughts or advice will be appreciated.
>
> Best 73,
> Tom/W1QU
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 30 18:50:33 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:50:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter
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I think we are talking about different types of QRN. This evening the noise
level is way down. My Pennants seem to be quite directive. Of course the
W1FV array still does not work. The BOG is hearing quite well but no
directivity at 220'. Will try shortening it. I was chatting with AA1K a
little while ago. He does quite well down in DE with his array of receive
and transmit antennas on 160M. He was saying weird propagation and noise
this past weekend too on 80 and 160M.
Oh well, probably see more of this with the low sunspot numbers. SW3LPL had
a good explanation of this the other day.

73 
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric
NO3M
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:13 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: KFL3C-200 filter

We may also be referring to different types of QRN.  I have almost zero
local noise, the transmit antenna is usually about S1 midday and on quiet
nights, S2-3 at night.

Locally generated QRN is generally more even and narrow filtering may be
beneficial in that case.  Propagated QRN, which is what I mainly hear, is
more erratic, with bursts and inconsistent behavior, where wider bandwidths
seem to benefit.  As Jim points out, there is science behind it, but I also
think the inherent phase distortion and how it is processed / handled by the
brain may be a function of the individual to some extent.

73 Eric NO3M

On 11/30/2016 01:28 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Eric,
> I agree and open up the bandwidth when there isn't strong adjacent 
> signals, especially with the upper bands. But on Topband I do seem to 
> hear better in the QRN with the filter narrowed down to 200HZ.
> I do wonder why the difference we both see on Topband with you using a 
> wider setting and I am using a narrower setting? Maybe you have better 
> receive antennas?
> I only have a couple Pennants, a short 3-el vert inline array that I 
> can't get working well and a BOG. I haven't optimized the length yet on
the BOG.
> But so far it hear fairly well. I sure do miss my long beverages when 
> I lived in Joisey.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
>

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From lists at subich.com  Wed Nov 30 19:55:31 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 19:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band data 1 connection to the Yaesu VL1000 query
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The authority on connecting the K3 to the Quadra (Band Data 1)
was N0SS.  See:
   http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/k3-to-quadra_pre-wired_din.pdf

Check the Array Solutions cable for a connection between pin 10 of
the K3 DE15HD plug (key out LP) and pin 2 of the Quadra DIN-8/262
(TX GND).

As an alternative, connect an RCA to RCA cable between the K3
Key Out jack and the Quadra PTT 1 jack.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 11/30/2016 5:48 PM, Thomas Donohue wrote:
> Hi to all:
>
> This subject has been posted before and I found the answer on the Elecraft historical threads web page. In any event I tried the recommended solution but have not been able to get the K3S to key the VL1000.
>
> Specifically, I?m using a Band data one cable put together by Array Solutions (designator K3VL1K1) to connect the ACC output on the K3S to the Band data 1 input on the VL1000. With the VL1000 turned off and the power supply turned on, I can use the K3S on all bands FB; When I turn the VL1000 on and select input 1, I can use the K3S on all bands, with auto band switching by the VL1000. However, when I press the operate button on the VL1000, the unit will not key on any band, but the auto band switching function on the VL1000 continues to work. My initial thought is that the K3VL1K1 is not wired correctly and will not key the amp. But, when I checked the wiring it appeared to be wired correctly. So my query is (1)Is the K3VL1K1 the correct cable for what I?m trying to do (i.e. auto band switch and key the amplifier?, and if it is the correct cable is there a config menu setting that needs to be implemented (i?ve checked and haven?t found any)?, or is there something I?m missing or not doing. Any thoughts or advice will be appreciated.
>
> Best 73,
> Tom/W1QU
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov 30 20:40:23 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 20:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Firmware Update Question
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Not up on latest FW for PX3 but it sounds like your device has a later Beta version than the official released version on website. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 30, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi... I just got my new (used) PX3 and I'm going through the firmware
> update process. I downloaded the latest Elecraft PX3 Utility (1.15.8.1). It
> shows I have firmware revision 01.45 installed and that 01.39 is available.
> 
> What did I miss?
> 
> 73 & Thanks,
> Kev K4VD
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Nov 30 23:13:41 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 19:13:41 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft]  Re: Lulu 35% discount on KE7X print books
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>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:13:25 -0900
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.ne
>From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Lulu 35% discount on KE7X print books
>
>Thanks, Fred.
>
>That got me off my butt to order the K3 and K3 upgrade books (Merry 
>Christmas to me!) at a nice saving.  Although six year veteran of 
>owning a K3, sure that I will discover some new ideas and ways of 
>doing.  I still have my upgraded synth boards and general coverage 
>module get done.  Paper copies ordered.
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>written on new desktop Dell i5-3.3GHz, 8GB, 1TB, win10pro installed 
>yesterday (cyber-monday purchase)
>Ham radio sw & I/F continues with old XP32 Dell w/GPS-time which 
>will be "un-plugged" from internet very soon.
>
>From: "Cady, Fred" <fcady at montana.edu>
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] Lulu 35% discount on KE7X print books
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> 
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>
>It looks like www.lulu.com<http://www.lulu.com> is offering a 35% 
>discount on KE7X print books (I don't think it applies to pdf books, 
>though).  It may only be good for today.  The discount code is NIGEL35.
>
>
>For pdf books there is a 5% discount code LULUORDERS5.
>
>
>73,
>
>Fred KE7X
>
>For info on all KE7X books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com>.