From n5ge at n5ge.com Fri Jul 1 00:13:36 2016 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 23:13:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Choosing A Battery For Ham Use In-Reply-To: <013301d1d338$119064c0$34b12e40$@rr.com> References: <2b2ea4d2-c314-5bae-8e82-89cc74c72750@montac.com> <013301d1d338$119064c0$34b12e40$@rr.com> Message-ID: Does every one who buy's a QRP RANGER one get a cracked upper right hand foot? ARS N5GE From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Jul 1 01:28:23 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 01:28:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s & FM filter Message-ID: <5775FF77.25853.685DD1B@Gary.ka1j.com> Wondering about re-orienting the filters between my K3 & K3s. If I put the FM filter in my K3s, can it be safely configured to transmit properly on SSB on all bands? Or must I use a 2.8 MHz to do this? Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Jul 1 01:49:23 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] Panadapter for the Sub Receiver Message-ID: One of our field day operators announced that while he was making QSOs on active bands, he was going to use the sub receiver in his K3 to scan for 10M CW activity. It occurred to me that this kind of scanning would be a lot easier if you could attach a second P3 to the K3 sub receiver. It seems simple. You would need an IF out from the sub receiver, and some new protocols on the aux bus. e.g. QSY on the sub P3 QSYs the sub receiver. etc. Does this idea spark any interest? 73 Bill AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From woodr90 at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 02:13:16 2016 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S new synthesizer query In-Reply-To: <57732DC1.1040902@comcast.net> References: <57732DC1.1040902@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301d1d35f$a899a350$f9cce9f0$@gmail.com> Brian, tis a relative drift? For Example: many use the K3 with Spectrum Lab audio software & soundcard and perform very well in measurement tests in ARRL FMT http://www.b4h.net/fmt/fmtresults201604.php Typically turn K3 on before work on day of FMT can get within 1 hz in FMT (not always but most) The corrections (step) and wiggle can be seen on the Spectrum Lab screen but after several hours of warm up it's typically less than 1 hz If you are trying to more stability, the temperature controlled TCXO might be for you GL & 73 Robert W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S new synthesizer query Please correct me if I am wrong. I believe the heart of the new synthesizer is a SI-570. Great phase noise but the output frequency is quite sensitive to temperature changes. It has been observed that the corrections to bring the synthesizer in step with the master oscillator happen over longer and longer periods as the K3 warms up. It never seems to reach a point of stability even after 24 hours of warmup. Is there some kind of thermal material that one can put around the SI-570 to lengthen these periods and/or reduce it's drift? 73 de Brian/K3KO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 1 07:40:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:40:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s & FM filter In-Reply-To: <5775FF77.25853.685DD1B@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5775FF77.25853.685DD1B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Gary, You must use the 2.8 (or 2.7)kHz filter for SSB, Data, and CW transmit. The 13kHz filter can be used for AM and FM transmit. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2016 1:28 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > Wondering about re-orienting the filters between my K3 & K3s. If I > put the FM filter in my K3s, can it be safely configured to transmit > properly on SSB on all bands? Or must I use a 2.8 MHz to do this? > > Thanks & 73, > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 1 08:28:02 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 08:28:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] Panadapter for the Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bf98161-8208-ee10-72a4-5dc048589ff9@embarqmail.com> Bill, Getting the IF output from the subRX is not a problem, but adding the 'new protocols' would likely be a problem. So if you just want to monitor the band around wherever the subRX is tuned, that part is easy, just add an IF output to the subRX. I have done that to one customer's K3, it is not difficult. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2016 1:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > One of our field day operators announced that while he was making QSOs > on active bands, he was going to use the sub receiver in his K3 to > scan for 10M CW activity. It occurred to me that this kind of scanning > would be a lot easier if you could attach a second P3 to the K3 sub > receiver. > > It seems simple. You would need an IF out from the sub receiver, and > some new protocols on the aux bus. e.g. QSY on the sub P3 QSYs the sub > receiver. etc. > From jameskvochick at me.com Fri Jul 1 13:19:25 2016 From: jameskvochick at me.com (James kvochick) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 13:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using yet another low cost headset with Elecraft Transceivers at 2016 Field Day Message-ID: In my geography, there is a definite divide relative to spending money on radio gear. On one hand, there are so many of us that own and use Elecraft gear, the joke is that I?m the President of JERK (Jim?s Elecraft Radio Klub). On the other side of the ledger, unless they get the equipment for free, they are probably not interested. Many of us bring our complete K3 stations to Field Day. This actually gives lots of folks who show up the chance to operate a really well integrated radio environment. We choose to activate an Emergency Operations Center (EOC) for our Field Day event, which also means lots of radios, operators, and loggers in close proximity. Headset are a must, but the real question is, what headset? There were some other challenges, most notably the ability to control the volume level at each headset. Getting an operator and a logger to agree on a volume level ranks right after gaining world peace. This year, we experimented with a very low cost gaming headset. You can read about it here: http://www.microcenter.com/product/426836/Stereo_Gaming_Headset_-_Black At $7.99 plus tax, the price is right, even for the more ?frugal? among us. There were a couple of minor issues during implementation, but we were able to easily navigate through them. On the Elecraft Radios, the headsets were amazing! We even had happy operators and logging personnel, each being able to adjust the audio level with the inline volume controls! If you choose to, you can read more details about our experience here: https://k8jk.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/low-cost-headsets-for-field-day/ DISCLAIMERS It doesn?t mean that your choice for a headset is any better or worse than this one - I?m just sharing our experience. There was no lab analysis performed. I am not fiscally connected to Microcenter or Elecraft in any income producing way?.however both of them do wind up with lots of my $$$ 73 Jim K8JK From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Jul 1 13:30:49 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using yet another low cost headset with Elecraft Transceivers at 2016 Field Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the headsets don?t have volume controls, you can use a simple headphone distribution amplifier. Pretty much the same thing is made by several companies. I have the Behringer HA400. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/373745-REG/Behringer_HA400_HA_400_Headphone.html wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 1, 2016, at 10:19 AM, James kvochick wrote: > > In my geography, there is a definite divide relative to spending money on radio gear. On one hand, there are so many of us that own and use Elecraft gear, the joke is that I?m the President of JERK (Jim?s Elecraft Radio Klub). > On the other side of the ledger, unless they get the equipment for free, they are probably not interested. > > Many of us bring our complete K3 stations to Field Day. This actually gives lots of folks who show up the chance to operate a really well integrated radio environment. We choose to activate an Emergency Operations Center (EOC) for our Field Day event, which also means lots of radios, operators, and loggers in close proximity. Headset are a must, but the real question is, what headset? There were some other challenges, most notably the ability to control the volume level at each headset. Getting an operator and a logger to agree on a volume level ranks right after gaining world peace. > > This year, we experimented with a very low cost gaming headset. You can read about it here: > > http://www.microcenter.com/product/426836/Stereo_Gaming_Headset_-_Black > > At $7.99 plus tax, the price is right, even for the more ?frugal? among us. > > There were a couple of minor issues during implementation, but we were able to easily navigate through them. On the Elecraft Radios, the headsets were amazing! We even had happy operators and logging personnel, each being able to adjust the audio level with the inline volume controls! > > If you choose to, you can read more details about our experience here: > > > https://k8jk.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/low-cost-headsets-for-field-day/ > > > DISCLAIMERS > > It doesn?t mean that your choice for a headset is any better or worse than this one - I?m just sharing our experience. > > There was no lab analysis performed. > > I am not fiscally connected to Microcenter or Elecraft in any income producing way?.however both of them do wind up with lots of my $$$ > > > 73 > > Jim K8JK > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 14:00:26 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:00:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Evaluation Up Date Message-ID: <5776afb6.0d2e240a.9b45e.3d1e@mx.google.com> I worked 15 stations on Field Day weekend with in an hour on my 160m antenna on 20M. Worked just fine. Started to use N1MM logging and attested programming F keys for CW found the infor on line and help from K9JWV got it working through only ONE USB port. Do not know what the KY codes are or where they came from. Some of the function keys on the program needs to be reprogrammed in N1MM and have not found out where or what to put in yet. Progress is slow but making progress. Showed off my New KX2 at about 4 Field Day sites and most were impressed on the size and what it could do. I did not have N1MM working at the time. Maybe I would have gotten more jaws dropped if I had that Canadian program running. No one afford to connect my KX2 to their Field Day antenna and give it a ride. I found that strange. Maybe I should have offered Found that a bit strange Now if I can switch the keys with Windows 10 and just let the F buttons work like F buttons and not do brightness and the sort, I will be in good shape. Jim K9TF From billw81 at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 1 14:22:59 2016 From: billw81 at bellsouth.net (Ai4PF) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:22:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] kt0ny Message-ID: <1467397379573-7619483.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello Tony: Accidentally deleted your e mail response to my question, and just wanted to say thanks. I do not have a KX3. Is there any other way I can check and correct my wspr drift? Bill, Ai4PF -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/kt0ny-tp7619483.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w1hyv at arrl.net Fri Jul 1 15:09:04 2016 From: w1hyv at arrl.net (Alan Price) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:09:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Let me build your K2 Message-ID: I have built hundreds of K2's and other Elecraft kits. My prices are reasonable and you receive a new radio with the options you want. 73 Alan W1HYV From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 1 15:34:30 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:34:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using yet another low cost headset with Elecraft Transceivers at 2016 Field Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01d1d3cf$96c9beb0$c45d3c10$@biz> Where there is adequate total volume, a simple in-line control is cheap and effective. http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=5467&gclid=CjwKEAjwqdi7BRCL6Zmjk5-rsTwSJABmrVab5rmhfLJ2Gy7w_nq8OCVR_CCA5Adrxj4Lsgv5EYhejhoCFHrw_wcB Just set the master rig volume high enough for the deafest user, and everyone else can turn it down with their in-line control. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- > On Jul 1, 2016, at 10:19 AM, James kvochick wrote: > > In my geography, there is a definite divide relative to spending money on radio gear. On one hand, there are so many of us that own and use Elecraft gear, the joke is that I?m the President of JERK (Jim?s Elecraft Radio Klub). > On the other side of the ledger, unless they get the equipment for free, they are probably not interested. > > Many of us bring our complete K3 stations to Field Day. This actually gives lots of folks who show up the chance to operate a really well integrated radio environment. We choose to activate an Emergency Operations Center (EOC) for our Field Day event, which also means lots of radios, operators, and loggers in close proximity. Headset are a must, but the real question is, what headset? There were some other challenges, most notably the ability to control the volume level at each headset. Getting an operator and a logger to agree on a volume level ranks right after gaining world peace. > > This year, we experimented with a very low cost gaming headset. You can read about it here: > > http://www.microcenter.com/product/426836/Stereo_Gaming_Headset_-_Blac > k > ck> > > At $7.99 plus tax, the price is right, even for the more ?frugal? among us. > > There were a couple of minor issues during implementation, but we were able to easily navigate through them. On the Elecraft Radios, the headsets were amazing! We even had happy operators and logging personnel, each being able to adjust the audio level with the inline volume controls! > > If you choose to, you can read more details about our experience here: > > > https://k8jk.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/low-cost-headsets-for-field-day/ > /> > > > DISCLAIMERS > > It doesn?t mean that your choice for a headset is any better or worse than this one - I?m just sharing our experience. > > There was no lab analysis performed. > > I am not fiscally connected to Microcenter or Elecraft in any income > producing way?.however both of them do wind up with lots of my $$$ > > > 73 > > Jim K8JK From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 15:39:07 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:39:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kt0ny In-Reply-To: <1467397379573-7619483.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467397379573-7619483.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Sorry, I did not notice that your original email referred to the K3 until I had already sent a reply. I'll be darned if I know why the database isn't reflecting your transmissions with the K3, since drift is essentially zero (at least with mine). I assume you're xmting on the right frequency, which of course you will be if you are decoding signals okay. The only way I know to check for such a close freq tolerance is to run a WSPR listening program on another rig. A no-drift signal will be a perfect horizontal line, while a drifty one will show up as a curve. Maybe you can check with a nearby ham...? Do you have the transmit audio gain set right? When WSPR is transmitting, you should show 4 dots, with the 5th just flickering. Here's a word from the expert. It refers to PSK, but the same applies to WSPR: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg167922.html best of luck, Tony KT0NY On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Ai4PF wrote: > Hello Tony: Accidentally deleted your e mail response to my question, and > just wanted to say thanks. I do not have a KX3. Is there any other way I > can > check and correct my wspr drift? > > Bill, Ai4PF > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/kt0ny-tp7619483.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to esteptony at gmail.com > From ku3g at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 15:46:24 2016 From: ku3g at yahoo.com (john votano) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:46:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kt0ny In-Reply-To: <1467397379573-7619483.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467397379573-7619483.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Ai4PF wrote: > > Hello Tony: Accidentally deleted your e mail response to my question, and > just wanted to say thanks. I do not have a KX3. Is there any other way I can > check and correct my wspr drift? > > Bill, Ai4PF > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/kt0ny-tp7619483.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ku3g at yahoo.com From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 1 17:16:04 2016 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:16:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S no output? Message-ID: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> On all bands even into dummy load Not in TEST TX INH OFF In TUNE main display "-" and "0 W" Other rig works fine into same antennas/dummy load with normal SWR indicated. Anybody been there done that? 73 John N5CQ From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Fri Jul 1 17:31:59 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi all I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine. So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path would be that bad by design Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:50:40 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 07:50:40 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <20160701213256.A4F3728B4E13@mailman.qth.net> References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> <20160701213256.A4F3728B4E13@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <5776e5cb.881d620a.5e4bc.0cf5@mx.google.com> I imagine you have already set tx/rx EQ, set Bias on/off depending on the mic insert? What is the model MIC? Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Arck" Sent: ?2/?07/?2016 7:32 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? Hi all I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine. So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path would be that bad by design Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:52:11 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:52:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <20160701213340.078272EB4227@mailman.qth.net> References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> <20160701213340.078272EB4227@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Ken, Is the Monitor level too high? Are you using speakers for the monitor audio? That will certainly cause feedback because the mic will pick up sound from the speakers. You can use headphones with high isolation. I would suggest a better way to evaluate the microphone response is to make a recording and then play it back. If you have the DVR installed, that is a perfect tool for doing that recording. If no DVR, use the monitor to send audio to your computer soundcard and record it with an application like Audacity (an open source and free audio editor). The intent of the monitor function is to give the user of headphones some audio in the phones because it is easier than speaking into a microphone without that acoustical reinforcement. For that purpose, it does not have to represent the full audio response - but I agree it should not be distorted by design. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > Hi all > > I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s > and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another > radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level > before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas > listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine. From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Fri Jul 1 17:58:41 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:58:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <5776e5cb.881d620a.5e4bc.0cf5@mx.google.com> References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> <20160701213256.A4F3728B4E13@mailman.qth.net> <5776e5cb.881d620a.5e4bc.0cf5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Everything from a Koss 40, Koss 45, Heil BM10 and even an old Turner 454C! And yes, I know about the bias issue. Again, they all sound good on a different radio (over the air) but horrible using MONITOR Ken At 02:50 PM 7/1/2016, Gary wrote: >I imagine you have already set tx/rx EQ, set >Bias on/off depending on the mic insert? > >What is the model MIC? > >Gary > >---------- >From: Ken Arck >Sent: ???2/???07/???2016 7:32 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? > >Hi all > >I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s >and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another >radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level >before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas >listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine. > >So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path >would be that bad by design > >Ken >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >President and CTO - Arcom Communications >Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. >http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ >Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and >we offer complete repeater packages! >AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 >http://www.irlp.net >"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Jul 1 18:04:08 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:04:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] Panadapter for the Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: <9bf98161-8208-ee10-72a4-5dc048589ff9@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don. Part of my reasoning for posting was that this feature might increase sales of P3s. Given the relative lack of interest, I think it remains a user mod. (But my K3 might look nice with 2 P3s on top of it. :-) 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/1/16 at 5:28 AM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Bill, > >Getting the IF output from the subRX is not a problem, but >adding the 'new protocols' would likely be a problem. > >So if you just want to monitor the band around wherever the >subRX is tuned, that part is easy, just add an IF output to the >subRX. I have done that to one customer's K3, it is not difficult. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 7/1/2016 1:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>One of our field day operators announced that while he was >>making QSOs on active bands, he was going to use the sub >>receiver in his K3 to scan for 10M CW activity. It occurred to >>me that this kind of scanning would be a lot easier if you >>could attach a second P3 to the K3 sub receiver. >> >>It seems simple. You would need an IF out from the sub >>receiver, and some new protocols on the aux bus. e.g. QSY on >>the sub P3 QSYs the sub receiver. etc. >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w4nz at comcast.net Fri Jul 1 18:19:01 2016 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:19:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <20160701215950.85708149D861@mailman.qth.net> References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> <20160701213256.A4F3728B4E13@mailman.qth.net> <5776e5cb.881d620a.5e4bc.0cf5@mx.google.com> <20160701215950.85708149D861@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <008601d1d3e6$923f0f00$b6bd2d00$@comcast.net> Is CONFIG: TX MON set to "nor" or "FAST"? Whichever it is, try the other one. 73, Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Arck Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:59 PM To: Gary; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? Everything from a Koss 40, Koss 45, Heil BM10 and even an old Turner 454C! And yes, I know about the bias issue. Again, they all sound good on a different radio (over the air) but horrible using MONITOR Ken At 02:50 PM 7/1/2016, Gary wrote: >I imagine you have already set tx/rx EQ, set Bias on/off depending on >the mic insert? > >What is the model MIC? > >Gary > >---------- >From: Ken Arck >Sent: ???2/???07/???2016 7:32 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? > >Hi all > >I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s >and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another >radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level before >they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas listening to >it on 2 other local radios they sound fine. > >So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path >would be that bad by design > >Ken >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater >controllers and accessories. >http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ >Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete >repeater packages! >AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 >http://www.irlp.net >"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >vk1zzgary at gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4nz at comcast.net From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Jul 1 18:22:57 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Field Day Report In-Reply-To: <0FD73B58-D737-41FA-9530-8A6169E6B67B@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: Out of curiosity, what digital modes did people use to make contacts at Field Day. Our operation got good results from PSK31 and RTTY, but did not try other modes. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From jimfinan at att.net Fri Jul 1 18:30:26 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 18:30:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod (K-nob) shipping update Message-ID: <20160701223026.5869650.77803.42603@att.net> ?Received a shipping message from Elecraft. Looks like my K-pod may have shipped. Also received a pre-ship notice about it a day or two ago verifying address, etc.? Maybe Tuesday.... ? 73, Jim AB4AC? Jim?Finan Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. From w2kj at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 1 18:59:00 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:59:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 shipping status Message-ID: Howdy Gang: Has anyone heard of the KXPD2 paddle shipping yet? Thanks for any info. 73, Joe W2KJ KX2 s/n 347 From jlbates4 at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 19:22:16 2016 From: jlbates4 at gmail.com (jlbates4) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:22:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Help: Speed/Mic dial not working on K3 Message-ID: <1467415336611-7619497.post@n2.nabble.com> Strange problem: After the last firmware upgrade, my Speed/Mic dial will not change the speed or mic settings. I can press the dial and switch between the Speed & Mic options - but can't change the settings! Any help or suggestions would be really appreciated! 73 de K8OI ----- K8OI mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com (804) 592-1068 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Help-Speed-Mic-dial-not-working-on-K3-tp7619497.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Fri Jul 1 19:29:27 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 16:29:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> <20160701213340.078272EB4227@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Of course I'm not using the speaker for monitoring SSB - I have tried the Koss 40, 45 and Heil headsets, all with the same result. I've also been careful not to overdrive either the mic(s) nor headphones. Unfortunately I do not have the DVR but let's face it...listening on 2 other radios should give me a fairly accurate portrayal of how my SSB signal sounds (yes, RF gain down so as not to overload the local radios) and MONITOR simply doesn't Ken At 02:52 PM 7/1/2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: >Ken, > >Is the Monitor level too high? >Are you using speakers for the monitor audio? That will certainly >cause feedback because the mic will pick up sound from the >speakers. You can use headphones with high isolation. > >I would suggest a better way to evaluate the microphone response is >to make a recording and then play it back. If you have the DVR >installed, that is a perfect tool for doing that recording. If no >DVR, use the monitor to send audio to your computer soundcard and >record it with an application like Audacity (an open source and free >audio editor). > >The intent of the monitor function is to give the user of headphones >some audio in the phones because it is easier than speaking into a >microphone without that acoustical reinforcement. For that purpose, >it does not have to represent the full audio response - but I agree >it should not be distorted by design. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 7/1/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Arck wrote: >>Hi all >> >>I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my >>K3s and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on >>another radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much >>level before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" >>whereas listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From lmarion at mt.net Fri Jul 1 19:44:53 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:44:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] for the Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a different subreceiver question: The configuration selection is bnc or ANTtuner ant 2. Does it require a separate antenna? I thought the subreceiver would use a pickoff of the current antenna or a separate antenna. Thanks, confused Leroy AB7CE From pincon at erols.com Fri Jul 1 19:59:06 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:59:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kt0ny In-Reply-To: References: <1467397379573-7619483.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <006c01d1d3f4$91347470$b39d5d50$@erols.com> You DO know that anything you "delete" is actually stored in the "Re-Cycle Bin" right? It can be recovered by simply going to the Re-Cycle Bin and there it is. If you delete it from the Re-Cycle Bin, it is truly gone forever (unless you're a computer forensic guru). 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of john votano via Elecraft Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:46 PM To: Ai4PF Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kt0ny Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Ai4PF wrote: > > Hello Tony: Accidentally deleted your e mail response to my question, > and just wanted to say thanks. I do not have a KX3. Is there any other > way I can check and correct my wspr drift? > > Bill, Ai4PF > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/kt0ny-tp7619483.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ku3g at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Jul 1 20:00:14 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:00:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <20160701233053.2B0B128B4DED@mailman.qth.net> References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> <20160701213340.078272EB4227@mailman.qth.net> <20160701233053.2B0B128B4DED@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <4418f3ea-2ab1-1b02-6c53-c66fd6c1779b@foothill.net> Ken, I think there's something wrong. I don't frequent SSB much but when I do the monitor always sounds fine. I just tried my K3 #642, fairly long in the tooth but with a fairly late FW if not the latest, and I sound just fine to myself, for whatever that's worth. There are so many new menu choices since I first built mine, it's possible there could be something there ... like CONFIG:MONITOR CRUMMY/GOOD :-)), but I really doubt it. How does it sound on CW or RTTY or other digital mode? You may be at the "call Elecraft" point. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 7/1/2016 4:29 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > Of course I'm not using the speaker for monitoring SSB - I have tried > the Koss 40, 45 and Heil headsets, all with the same result. I've also > been careful not to overdrive either the mic(s) nor headphones. > > Unfortunately I do not have the DVR but let's face it...listening on 2 > other radios should give me a fairly accurate portrayal of how my SSB > signal sounds (yes, RF gain down so as not to overload the local radios) > and MONITOR simply doesn't > > Ken From dick at elecraft.com Fri Jul 1 20:02:48 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:02:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] for the Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <023d01d1d3f5$122c0ca0$368425e0$@elecraft.com> There are figures on pages 43 thru 45 of the K3S owner's manual (and similar pictures are in the K3 owner's manual) There are two relays that route signal to the sub RX. One of the options you have is picking the sub receiver's input from the main rx antenna path. That's the one I use. Tap ANT while in BSET to choose main path or AUX RF source. Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lmarion Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 16:45 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] for the Sub Receiver I have a different subreceiver question: The configuration selection is bnc or ANTtuner ant 2. Does it require a separate antenna? I thought the subreceiver would use a pickoff of the current antenna or a separate antenna. Thanks, confused Leroy AB7CE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 1 21:04:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:04:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] for the Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1821c360-a95b-1bc5-2e22-4ef12389161d@embarqmail.com> Leroy, The subRX will normally use the transmit antenna, be that ANT1 or ANT2 - there is a 3 dB splitter inserted to feed both the main and the subRX. Now --- *if* (and only if) you select the AUX antenna for the subRX, then the antenna connection that you have plugged into the rear of the subRX will be used - whether that be the BNC connector or the non-transmit antenna. So decide on which TMP cable you want to connect to the subRX AUX ANT input. If you want it to be a receiving antenna, then I think it is best to connect the BNC jack. If instead you have two antennas, both of which are transmit capable, then you may want to connect the subRX AUX ANT to the KAT3. When the subRX AUX antenna is selected, receive for the subRX will be from the non-transmit antenna - in other words, if you select ANT1, the subRX will use ANT2 - and vice-versa. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2016 7:44 PM, lmarion wrote: > I have a different subreceiver question: The configuration selection > is bnc or ANTtuner ant 2. Does it require a separate antenna? I > thought the subreceiver would use a pickoff of the current antenna or > a separate antenna. > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Jul 1 21:11:51 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 21:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] Panadapter for the Sub Receiver Message-ID: HiOne thing missing is software support. A key api command is missing for the subreceiver and is unlikely to be made available.So, it's an ok mod to get an overview of an area of the airwaves, ?but not accurate enough for serious use.73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Bill Frantz Date: 2016-07-01 6:04 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] Panadapter for the Sub Receiver Thanks Don. Part of my reasoning for posting was that this feature might increase sales of P3s. Given the relative lack of interest, I think it remains a user mod. (But my K3 might look nice with 2 P3s on top of it. :-) 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/1/16 at 5:28 AM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Bill, > >Getting the IF output from the subRX is not a problem, but >adding the 'new protocols' would likely be a problem. > >So if you just want to monitor the band around wherever the >subRX is tuned, that part is easy, just add an IF output to the >subRX. I have done that to one customer's K3, it is not difficult. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 7/1/2016 1:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>One of our field day operators announced that while he was >>making QSOs on active bands, he was going to use the sub >>receiver in his K3 to scan for 10M CW activity. It occurred to >>me that this kind of scanning would be a lot easier if you >>could attach a second P3 to the K3 sub receiver. >> >>It seems simple. You would need an IF out from the sub >>receiver, and some new protocols on the aux bus. e.g. QSY on >>the sub P3 QSYs the sub receiver. etc. >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz??????? |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506????? |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from.?? - Andrew Tanenbaum??? | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 1 21:16:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:16:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <6E.62.04092.ADCF6775@mx02.agate.dfw.synacor.com> References: <004001d1d3dd$c6baf770$5430e650$@austin.rr.com> <20160701213340.078272EB4227@mailman.qth.net> <6E.62.04092.ADCF6775@mx02.agate.dfw.synacor.com> Message-ID: Ken, Do you have the TX EQ *and the RX EQ set to zero for all bands? The monitor can give you a double-whammy since it feeds through both equalizers if I recall correctly. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/1/2016 7:29 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > Of course I'm not using the speaker for monitoring SSB - I have tried > the Koss 40, 45 and Heil headsets, all with the same result. I've also > been careful not to overdrive either the mic(s) nor headphones. > > Unfortunately I do not have the DVR but let's face it...listening on 2 > other radios should give me a fairly accurate portrayal of how my SSB > signal sounds (yes, RF gain down so as not to overload the local > radios) and MONITOR simply doesn't From dave at nk7z.net Fri Jul 1 21:13:23 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 18:13:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] kt0ny In-Reply-To: <006c01d1d3f4$91347470$b39d5d50$@erols.com> References: <1467397379573-7619483.post@n2.nabble.com> <006c01d1d3f4$91347470$b39d5d50$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1467422003.3983.25.camel@nk7z.net> On Fri, 2016-07-01 at 19:59 -0400, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > You DO know that anything you "delete" is actually stored in the "Re- > Cycle > Bin" right???It can be recovered by simply going to the Re-Cycle Bin > and > there it is. > > If you delete it from the Re-Cycle Bin, it is truly gone forever > (unless > you're a computer forensic guru). > > 73, Charlie k3ICH >? You should also know that anything you empty from the Recycle Bin, is trivial to make come back from the dead... ?If you want to wipe something overwrite it a few times with FF and 00. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Jul 1 21:36:57 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:36:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Field Day Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8326ADD2-F582-4D76-90ED-87E672110DBB@widomaker.com> At K4RC, I made 8 on 80 m PSK31 and about 21 on RTTY on 20 and 40 M. I only worked about an hour or so at times when the Phone station was between operators. ?bc mr4c > On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:22 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > Out of curiosity, what digital modes did people use to make contacts at Field Day. Our operation got good results from PSK31 and RTTY, but did not try other modes. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 23:47:43 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:47:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Rx antenna for K3's 2nd receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My K3's second receiver is connected directly to the BNC antenna connector with a TMP M/F jumper cable I made, and is permanently connected to a 6M omni antenna. It's (only) used for listening for 6M openings. 73 Ken - K0PP From pfizenmayer at q.com Fri Jul 1 23:57:13 2016 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (HankP) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 23:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s? In-Reply-To: <20160701233116.36CF8149D8D3@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <1636680614.204542.1467431833281.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> resend to reflector because your email was blocked by spamcop - my lousy Centurlylink email system . Ken - I have watched this thread for awhile - while I have never had this issue - (with K3 7536) - sometimes when all else fails , trying an EEINT process is worth while ( I call that my Elecraft one finger salute - ala my 3 ORION s one finger salute when they lost their mind- which was a hell of a lot more often than my K3) Incidentally - I saw some talk about processing etc - my monitor if I select FASt sounds like my normal voice no EQ or processing - switching MON to nor - the TX EQ and processing is VERY apparent . Good luck --- Hank K7HP ----- Original Message ----- From docwatt at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 00:41:11 2016 From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Memories Message-ID: I am unable to erase the CW Memories in my KX3. I've followed the procedure in the Owners Manual and in Fred Cady's book. Would appreciate any help. Tom KN6DR From n3khk_john at verizon.net Sat Jul 2 00:47:49 2016 From: n3khk_john at verizon.net (n3khk_john) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 00:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <001301d1d41c$e3620640$aa2612c0$@verizon.net> UNSUBSCRIBE 73 ES CUL DE N3KHK Mr. John R. Klim II, N3KHK Life member: ARRL, AMSAT LM-2187, 10-10 (68135), NCDXA, QCWA Member: 30MDG (1874), FISTS (5015), PVRC Springbok Chapter (1874), Chesapeake Bay Chapter (549) QSL: LoTW, Bureau, Direct, eQSL as a courtesy From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Sat Jul 2 02:59:00 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 08:59:00 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Bought a second hand P3 with 2 KW TX sensor question Message-ID: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> Hi group, I have a K3 100 Watt and i bought a P32 with VGA and TXmon, the TX Monitor is 2 Kw. I was thinking because of the fact that I am only working with 100 watt would it be worth reducing the sensor to 200 Watt ?? 1 I don't know if it is possible. 2 I don't know if I see beter images then ?? 3 or should I just leave it as it is ?? I did not yet connect the TXmon just trying to learn the possibilities of the P3 Regards William K2, KX3, K3, P3, From hb9brj at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 04:47:17 2016 From: hb9brj at gmail.com (hb9brj) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:47:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 WSPR 2, ver 1.6 In-Reply-To: <1467307577300-7619451.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467307577300-7619451.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1467449237314-7619513.post@n2.nabble.com> Ai4PF wrote > everything works fine on WSP 2 except I never see any of my numerous TX's > in the database. Do you receive (decode) other WSPR stations? If yes, frequency and PC time are ok. During TX, does your ALC show 4-5 bars? 73, Markus HB9BRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-WSPR-2-ver-1-6-tp7619451p7619513.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dl2ydp at mail.ru Sat Jul 2 05:21:35 2016 From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 02:21:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S new synthesizer query In-Reply-To: <000301d1d35f$a899a350$f9cce9f0$@gmail.com> References: <57732DC1.1040902@comcast.net> <000301d1d35f$a899a350$f9cce9f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1467451295667-7619514.post@n2.nabble.com> My K3 has the TCXO 1% 73, Roger -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-new-synthesizer-query-tp7619407p7619514.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 06:58:30 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:58:30 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3 4m transverter (UK) Message-ID: <52089137-EC68-4772-8F66-CFB93006FC83@yahoo.co.uk> For anyone in the UK with a KX3 who wants to get on 4m, I have an Elecraft internal transverter for the KX3 available for sale. I am prepared to fit it to your KX3 if you bring it to my QTH. Price ?169 fitted to your KX3. (List price is ?269) Can also ship this item, buyer pays postage. Cash on collection or PayPal accepted - buyer pays PayPal fees. In addition I have a new and unused 5 element light weight PowAbeam Yagi. http://www.thedxshop.com/powabeam-antennas/70mhz-5-element-max-gain-4m5n50u.html Ideal for portable or fixed station use. Still in unopened box. Price ?89 (List ?94) Buyer collects only please. Cash on collection or PayPal accepted - buyer pays PayPal fees. PS I can also perform the Extended VFO Temperature Calibration on the KX3, this is recommended for 70 MHz SSB/CW. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From k9jri at mac.com Sat Jul 2 07:29:47 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 11:29:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] OT - VSP, com0com and Win4K3 Message-ID: <3ee1fcd8-85c3-45ad-b906-f3c2860a915a@me.com> While attempting to connect Win4K3's AUX1 com port to DXLabs Commander via HHD's Virtual Serial Port I was unable to communicate from Win4K3 (frequency and mode data)to Commander even though all commands sent from Commander to Win4K3 were being received and properly executed. A support request to Tom was quickly answered with "VSP doesn't work correctly, use cm0com.....". He provided a link to a signed copy of com0com which I installed and all worked well. I was surprised as I have used VSP for years with other software (PowerSDR, HDsdr, Omnirig, fldigi, WSJT, HRD....) without issue. THE QUESTION IS: While I realize that the problem could be with either VSP or Win4K3 I do not have the necessary monitoring software to allow me to actually look at the data flow between the two. Has anyone looked at this issue with VSP/Win4K3 AND has been able to determine what the technical issue is that prevents VSP and Win4K3 from successfully communicating with each other? HARDWARE: Intel i5, 2.4 gHz., 8 gig of RAM Windows 10, 64 bit, latest updates VSP 3.22 com0com 2.2.2.0-64 signed Elecraft KX3 Elecraft USB serial adapter connecting KX3 to CPU. Michael Blake k9jri at iCoud.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 2 07:35:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 07:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bought a second hand P3 with 2 KW TX sensor question In-Reply-To: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> References: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: William, The images will not be changed by the TX MON. The resolution of the power display on the P3 will be increased by a factor of 10 if you change to the DCHF-200a - you can order one from Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/2/2016 2:59 AM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > I have a K3 100 Watt and i bought a P32 with VGA and TXmon, the TX Monitor > is 2 Kw. > > I was thinking because of the fact that I am only working with 100 watt > would it be worth reducing the sensor to 200 Watt ?? > > From cautery at montac.com Sat Jul 2 10:19:05 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3, k3S] Panadapter for the Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ed701a6-bf68-1d67-ad8c-759c70e1df7e@montac.com> I'd definitely buy a second P3 for my sub-RX if the IF Out was on the back panel and it was incorporated into the firmware... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/1/2016 5:04 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Thanks Don. > > Part of my reasoning for posting was that this feature might increase > sales of P3s. Given the relative lack of interest, I think it remains > a user mod. (But my K3 might look nice with 2 P3s on top of it. :-) > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 7/1/16 at 5:28 AM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> Getting the IF output from the subRX is not a problem, but adding the >> 'new protocols' would likely be a problem. >> >> So if you just want to monitor the band around wherever the subRX is >> tuned, that part is easy, just add an IF output to the subRX. I have >> done that to one customer's K3, it is not difficult. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/1/2016 1:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> One of our field day operators announced that while he was making >>> QSOs on active bands, he was going to use the sub receiver in his K3 >>> to scan for 10M CW activity. It occurred to me that this kind of >>> scanning would be a lot easier if you could attach a second P3 to >>> the K3 sub receiver. >>> >>> It seems simple. You would need an IF out from the sub receiver, and >>> some new protocols on the aux bus. e.g. QSY on the sub P3 QSYs the >>> sub receiver. etc. >>> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From marrotte at verizon.net Sat Jul 2 12:00:32 2016 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 12:00:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K-Pod] K3 firmware K3 Utility Program Requirements Message-ID: <000501d1d47a$dd1eb1d0$975c1570$@verizon.net> I just received my K-Pod. It looks and feels really nice. Nice and heavy. Won't wander across the desktop. The manual mentions requiring K3 firmware version 5.50 or later. I found that in the beta section and loaded it without problem. The manual also mentions "Be sure you have K3 utility Program rev. 1.16.3.11 or later installed on your personal computer (older versions will not allow you to store macros 9-16)". That I had a problem with. I can't find it on the Elecraft web site. Is it available yet? I don't yet have more than 8 macros so it's not a crisis. Roger, W1EM From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 12:27:16 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:27:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 4m transverter (UK) In-Reply-To: <52089137-EC68-4772-8F66-CFB93006FC83@yahoo.co.uk> References: <52089137-EC68-4772-8F66-CFB93006FC83@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <10801B7D-8E51-42F7-9D6E-BB9976B3FC2B@yahoo.co.uk> I have a couple of questions asking why I am selling the 4m transverter for the KX3. (Is it no good? etc) The reason is simply that I want to be able to work on 144 MHz with my KX3 wit external transverter AND monitor 70 MHz or 50 MHz, so I have another rig that covers 50/70 MHz and a dual band yagi for that now. The 4m transverter is therefore surplus to my needs. No point in having 2 4m rigs here, better that another station uses it so I have another station to work on 4m :-0 73 David GM4JJJ > On 2 Jul 2016, at 11:58, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote: > > For anyone in the UK with a KX3 who wants to get on 4m, I have an Elecraft internal transverter for the KX3 available for sale. I am prepared to fit it to your KX3 if you bring it to my QTH. > > Price ?169 fitted to your KX3. (List price is ?269) > > Can also ship this item, buyer pays postage. > Cash on collection or PayPal accepted - buyer pays PayPal fees. > > In addition I have a new and unused 5 element light weight PowAbeam Yagi. > > http://www.thedxshop.com/powabeam-antennas/70mhz-5-element-max-gain-4m5n50u.html > > Ideal for portable or fixed station use. > Still in unopened box. > > Price ?89 (List ?94) > > Buyer collects only please. > > Cash on collection or PayPal accepted - buyer pays PayPal fees. > > PS I can also perform the Extended VFO Temperature Calibration on the KX3, this is recommended for 70 MHz SSB/CW. > > 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 13:52:15 2016 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 13:52:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Re: K-pod - is it shipping? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e7fcb8b-ec90-c687-ba52-dca0e8b2f6f7@gmail.com> On 6/30/2016 7:20 PM, Keith Onishi wrote: > Re: K-pod - is it shipping? Received my K-Pod today via USPS. When updating the K3 firmware to beta 5.50 to support the K-Pod, the update failed and left me in MCU LD bootloader mode. Disconnected the P3 power and restarted the K3 Utility. The Utility then found the K3 was in bootloader mode and allowed a "Send All Firmware" to proceed normally. Recovered K3 successfully. I wish the rocker switch was a bit lower, and away from VFO knob, as it is very easy to skew the freq a bit as you go to move the rocker switch. Used an audio style RCA male to twin RCA female ("Y") to split power for P3 and K-Pod. K-Pod working as designed. Will perform the power mod after I finish up getting the bonus station GB13COL as part of the 13 Colonies special event going on right now. (He keeps setting up 2K away from state-side Nets and is very light! Argh.) Haven't programmed any macros for the function keys yet. Will need to source a longer RJ12 data cable for the K-Pod. Interested in something about 12-14 ft. Hopefully, the protocol will support that length. Warren, KD4Z From K5WA at Comcast.net Sat Jul 2 13:53:54 2016 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 12:53:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Evaluation Up Date Message-ID: <004401d1d48a$b3732c20$1a598460$@net> Jim, Regarding how to reprogram the F key messages in N1MM, simply right click on any F key block in the N1MM window and all the messages will pop up in an editable mode. You can type in anything you want. The format is this: Example F1 CQ,CQ FD de K9TF K9TF The first CQ and anything BEFORE the comma is shown as a label for the F key. Everything AFTER the comma will be sent as your message. The first F1- F12 keys are the messages sent while in CQ mode and the second set of F1- F12 (shown in GREEN) are the S&P messages. You can save these per contest by simply chosing FILE - "SAVE THESE MESSAGES TO A DIFFERENT FUNCYION KEY .MC FILE NAME". If you have any questions, let me know and I'll give you a hand. Bob K5WA Message: 12 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:00:26 -0500 From: Jim GM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Evaluation Up Date Message-ID: <5776afb6.0d2e240a.9b45e.3d1e at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I worked 15 stations on Field Day weekend with in an hour on my 160m antenna on 20M. Worked just fine. Started to use N1MM logging and attested programming F keys for CW found the infor on line and help from K9JWV got it working through only ONE USB port. Do not know what the KY codes are or where they came from. Some of the function keys on the program needs to be reprogrammed in N1MM and have not found out where or what to put in yet. Progress is slow but making progress. Showed off my New KX2 at about 4 Field Day sites and most were impressed on the size and what it could do. I did not have N1MM working at the time. Maybe I would have gotten more jaws dropped if I had that Canadian program running. No one afford to connect my KX2 to their Field Day antenna and give it a ride. I found that strange. Maybe I should have offered Found that a bit strange Now if I can switch the keys with Windows 10 and just let the F buttons work like F buttons and not do brightness and the sort, I will be in good shape. Jim K9TF From lumin9 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 14:06:04 2016 From: lumin9 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:06:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone For Sale (K7KEY) Message-ID: Very nice, almost pristine, Astatic D-104 Silver Eagle. With W2ENY element and Elecraft 8-pin connector installed. Chrome is fully intact, and you have to search really hard to find any scuffs. Asking $100 with free shipping. From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Sat Jul 2 14:17:21 2016 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (Jim Rodenkirch) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:17:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Evaluation Up Date In-Reply-To: <004401d1d48a$b3732c20$1a598460$@net> References: <004401d1d48a$b3732c20$1a598460$@net> Message-ID: <1467483441831-7619524.post@n2.nabble.com> Bon - none of your examples will work with an Elecraft KX3 and/or, I believe, a K3 or KX2.......any macro for my KX3 must look like below (everything after KY and before ;} is what you can alter, up to 24 characters including spaces): F1 CQ, {CATA1ASC KY CQ TEST k9jwv k9jwv test;} 72 de Jim R. K9JWV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-Elecraft-KX2-Evaluation-Up-Date-tp7619522p7619524.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Sat Jul 2 16:16:15 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 15:16:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K-Pod] K3 firmware K3 Utility Program Requirements In-Reply-To: <000501d1d47a$dd1eb1d0$975c1570$@verizon.net> References: <000501d1d47a$dd1eb1d0$975c1570$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Yes, just received mine too - Hey Elecraft, where is v 1.16.3.11 hidden??? Beautiful work of art indeed! 73 Dwight NS9I On 7/2/2016 11:00 AM, Roger Marrotte wrote: > I just received my K-Pod. It looks and feels really nice. Nice and heavy. > Won't wander across the desktop. The manual mentions requiring K3 firmware > version 5.50 or later. I found that in the beta section and loaded it > without problem. The manual also mentions "Be sure you have K3 utility > Program rev. 1.16.3.11 or later installed on your personal computer (older > versions will not allow you to store macros 9-16)". That I had a problem > with. I can't find it on the Elecraft web site. Is it available yet? I > don't yet have more than 8 macros so it's not a crisis. > > > > Roger, W1EM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 16:49:51 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:49:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] GoBox for the KX-2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BUT ... All the TX heat is trapped inside the box with nowhere to go! It -will- be a serious problem! 73 Ken - K0PP From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 16:55:42 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:55:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] GoBox for the KX-2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Ken G Kopp" Date: Jul 2, 2016 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] GoBox for the KX-2 To: Cc: BUT ... All the TX heat is trapped inside the box with nowhere to go! It -will- be a serious problem! 73 Ken - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com From acsewell at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 17:24:01 2016 From: acsewell at gmail.com (Alan Sewell N5NA) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Missing Step for K-POD Front Panel Mod Message-ID: I received my K-POD this afternoon and proceeded to do the front panel mod. The instructions say to simply remove the 3 top and 2 bottom front panel screws and pry off the front panel. In the past I recalled needing to remove the left side panel but couldn't really remember why. When I was unable to pry the left side of the front panel loose I removed the left panel and remembered why I had to do that in the past. There is a round head screw on the bottom front 2D fastener that must be removed for the board to slide out. After I removed that screw it was no problem. The instructions need to include this step. My K3 is SN 3329. Perhaps later K3s don't have that round head screw. 73, Alan N5NA From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Jul 2 17:28:01 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:28:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 - Voltage vs Power Message-ID: <1467494881080-7619529.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I have my KX1 hooked up to an external filtered adjustable power supply. Does the below look reasonable for Voltage vs Power on ATU tune-up? SWRs all read 1.3-1.5 8-14V 14V - 2.8-2.6W (which rapidly dropped to 2.0-2.1 over 3-5sec) 12V - 2.0-2.1W 10V - 1.5-1.6W 8V -0.9-1.1W Thanks, 73s, Bret/KC1CJN bedford, NH USA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-Voltage-vs-Power-tp7619529.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Sat Jul 2 18:01:01 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 15:01:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Missing Step for K-POD Front Panel Mod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d1d4ad$38cacaa0$aa605fe0$@biz> Yes, that was fixed long, long ago. A screw head struck the edge of one of the boards in early K3 front panel assemblies. It wasn't noticed for a while because in the process of prying the connectors apart, the edge of the pc board chafing against the edge of one board was not noticed. I'm surprised you found it on a K3 as late as 3329. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan Sewell N5NA Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 2:24 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Missing Step for K-POD Front Panel Mod I received my K-POD this afternoon and proceeded to do the front panel mod. The instructions say to simply remove the 3 top and 2 bottom front panel screws and pry off the front panel. In the past I recalled needing to remove the left side panel but couldn't really remember why. When I was unable to pry the left side of the front panel loose I removed the left panel and remembered why I had to do that in the past. There is a round head screw on the bottom front 2D fastener that must be removed for the board to slide out. After I removed that screw it was no problem. The instructions need to include this step. My K3 is SN 3329. Perhaps later K3s don't have that round head screw. 73, Alan N5NA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ve3iay at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 18:40:45 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:40:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Strange filter behaviour in the subRX Message-ID: After a user reported problems with filter settings in N1MM+ in SO2V with one VFO in CW and the other VFO in SSB, I did some investigating. I had never tried mixed-mode dual receive before. After doing some experimenting, first with N1MM+ and then with the radio on its own, I conclude that there does appear to be a problem, but it seems to be in the K3 firmware, not in N1MM+. After some initial exploration, I ran audio spectrum analysis software on the Line Out output of the K3 with band noise input on a dead band, default filter settings and with no radio control software of any kind running. With both VFOs in SSB, the noise spectrum display is similar for both VFOs - reasonably flat (plus or minus a few dB) from 200 Hz to 2800 Hz, more or less. If one VFO is in CW and the other VFO is in SSB (or DATA A, which seems to behave the same way), the VFO A SSB plot looks the same as before, but when I use the K3's A/B button to swap VFOs, the spectrum display for VFO B in SSB looks quite different, with a more or less linear rolloff of roughly 10 dB/kHz (not per octave, per kHz) from 700 Hz to 2700 Hz. That is, at 1700 Hz the spectrum plot is down around 10 dB from the value at 700 Hz, and at 2700 Hz it is down around another 10 dB. The difference is clearly audible. I can fix this by pressing the B-SET button on the K3, which restores a flat response profile in VFO B, but when I press A/B twice to swap the SSB and CW settings between the two VFOs twice, the rolloff comes back when VFO B is in SSB mode. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Is there a configuration setting that can fix it? 73, Rich VE3KI From ve3iay at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 19:27:47 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 19:27:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Evaluation Up Date Message-ID: Jim, not quite. Bob's examples work perfectly with the K3/K3S using CW keying on DTR (or RTS) of the radio control port, and on any radio (including the KX2/KX3) if an external keying circuit or Winkeyer is used. It is only when you don't have a Winkeyer or external serial port keying circuit to use with a KX3 or KX2 that you need to use the KY command method (BTW, there is no need to use the CATA1ASC macro instead of CAT1ASC if you are not using SO2R). There are several limitations to the KY command method when used with N1MM+, as described at < http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Serial+Parallel+and+Sound+Card+Interfacing&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#Choosing_Your_CW_Method >. 73, Rich VE3KI K9JWV wrote: Bob - none of your examples will work with an Elecraft KX3 and/or, I believe, a K3 or KX2.......any macro for my KX3 must look like below (everything after KY and before ;} is what you can alter, up to 24 characters including spaces): F1 CQ, {CATA1ASC KY CQ TEST k9jwv k9jwv test;} From k9jri at mac.com Sat Jul 2 19:34:08 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 23:34:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY Contest with the KX3 and Win4K3 Message-ID: <2085cda6-517d-4d1d-a2a8-a1815f30248d@me.com> What a great combination for search and pounce RTTY. Double click the mark Tone (upper tone peak) and go! The KX3's built in RTTY engine worked 100% with no other RTTY programs required. MMTTY and fldigi were available but not necessary. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Sat Jul 2 20:45:19 2016 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (Jim Rodenkirch) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:45:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Evaluation Up Date In-Reply-To: References: <004401d1d48a$b3732c20$1a598460$@net> Message-ID: <1467506719933-7619533.post@n2.nabble.com> My apologizes.....I was working with K9TF and his requirement was N1MM interacting with the KX3...I did not make that clear and that's my bad...... -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-Elecraft-KX2-Evaluation-Up-Date-tp7619522p7619533.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n1al at sonic.net Sat Jul 2 21:11:59 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:11:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bought a second hand P3 with 2 KW TX sensor question In-Reply-To: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> References: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <5778665F.9030106@sonic.net> The 2kW monitor works pretty well at 100 watts. The 200W sensor might have a little better accuracy at 100W and works much better for QRP. If by "images" you mean seeing the same signal on either side of center of the pandapter display, that doesn't happen with the P3. Unlike SDR receivers and panadapters that use an analog I/Q downconverter, the digital downconverter in the P3 is "perfect" in that respect. Alan N1AL On 07/01/2016 11:59 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > Hi group, > > > > I have a K3 100 Watt and i bought a P32 with VGA and TXmon, the TX Monitor > is 2 Kw. > > > > I was thinking because of the fact that I am only working with 100 watt > would it be worth reducing the sensor to 200 Watt ?? > > > > 1 I don't know if it is possible. > > 2 I don't know if I see beter images then ?? > > 3 or should I just leave it as it is ?? > > > > I did not yet connect the TXmon just trying to learn the possibilities of > the P3 > > > > Regards William > > > > K2, KX3, K3, P3, > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sat Jul 2 22:13:36 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 19:13:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <5778665F.9030106@sonic.net> References: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> <5778665F.9030106@sonic.net> Message-ID: Just finished installing the 100 watt PA and all was going fine until the 14 mHz 50 watt calibration (using the K3 Utility program). The radio went dead and nothing I've tried brings it back to life...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I removed power completely, let it sit for 10 minutes, reconnected and all that happens is a small thump out of the speaker when I tap the power button. I even tried the initialization procedure in the manual (hold the SHIFT/LO button while tapping the power and nothing but the thump. No USB comm either, no matter what (not surprised about that) Ahhh well, figures on a Holiday weekend.... Ken (time to hook the TS2000 back up for the 2 mtr EME pass tomorrow....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From lmarion at mt.net Sat Jul 2 22:29:53 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:29:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <20160703021434.77809149B43C@mailman.qth.net> References: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl><5778665F.9030106@sonic.net> <20160703021434.77809149B43C@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <32873AA44A9C454287AC7DC5FC7DCD73@LeroyPC> Ouch! Sorry to hear that. You are in the right place to get help 73 Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Ken Arck Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:13 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s Just finished installing the 100 watt PA and all was going fine until the 14 mHz 50 watt calibration (using the K3 Utility program). The radio went dead and nothing I've tried brings it back to life...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I removed power completely, let it sit for 10 minutes, reconnected and all that happens is a small thump out of the speaker when I tap the power button. I even tried the initialization procedure in the manual (hold the SHIFT/LO button while tapping the power and nothing but the thump. No USB comm either, no matter what (not surprised about that) Ahhh well, figures on a Holiday weekend.... Ken (time to hook the TS2000 back up for the 2 mtr EME pass tomorrow....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sat Jul 2 22:33:03 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 19:33:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <32873AA44A9C454287AC7DC5FC7DCD73@LeroyPC> References: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> <5778665F.9030106@sonic.net> <20160703021434.77809149B43C@mailman.qth.net> <32873AA44A9C454287AC7DC5FC7DCD73@LeroyPC> Message-ID: Oh yes...holding POWER for more than 10 seconds does nothing either..... I have a feeling it's going back to Elecraft next week....... >-----Original Message----- From: Ken Arck >Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:13 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > >Just finished installing the 100 watt PA and all was going fine until >the 14 mHz 50 watt calibration (using the K3 Utility program). The >radio went dead and nothing I've tried brings it back to >life...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR > >I removed power completely, let it sit for 10 minutes, reconnected >and all that happens is a small thump out of the speaker when I tap >the power button. I even tried the initialization procedure in the >manual (hold the SHIFT/LO button while tapping the power and nothing >but the thump. > >No USB comm either, no matter what (not surprised about that) > >Ahhh well, figures on a Holiday weekend.... > >Ken >(time to hook the TS2000 back up for the 2 mtr EME pass tomorrow....) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >President and CTO - Arcom Communications >Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. >http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ >Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and >we offer complete repeater packages! >AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 >http://www.irlp.net >"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From n0nb at n0nb.us Sat Jul 2 22:44:00 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 21:44:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <20160703023357.97AF8149D833@mailman.qth.net> References: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> <5778665F.9030106@sonic.net> <20160703021434.77809149B43C@mailman.qth.net> <32873AA44A9C454287AC7DC5FC7DCD73@LeroyPC> <20160703023357.97AF8149D833@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <20160703024400.GJ3765@n0nb.us> * On 2016 02 Jul 21:34 -0500, Ken Arck wrote: > Oh yes...holding POWER for more than 10 seconds does nothing either..... > > I have a feeling it's going back to Elecraft next week....... How about pulling the PA out and setting the radio back to the way it was prior to installation (it's been nearly six years since building my K3 and I forgot the strapping, if any). 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From dave at nk7z.net Sat Jul 2 23:50:32 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 20:50:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <20160703023346.E571F149B441@mailman.qth.net> References: <04c401d1d42f$35e29c10$a1a7d430$@zendamateur.nl> <5778665F.9030106@sonic.net> <20160703021434.77809149B43C@mailman.qth.net> <32873AA44A9C454287AC7DC5FC7DCD73@LeroyPC> <20160703023346.E571F149B441@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <1467517832.3716.151.camel@nk7z.net> On Sat, 2016-07-02 at 19:33 -0700, Ken Arck wrote: > Oh yes...holding POWER for more than 10 seconds does nothing > either..... >? What should holding power for more than 30 seconds do? 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From on4iq at telenet.be Sun Jul 3 10:00:17 2016 From: on4iq at telenet.be (on4iq) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 07:00:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini available Message-ID: <1467554417240-7619540.post@n2.nabble.com> If anyone interested, I have a k3/0 mini available with cable set, can ship it worldwide or bring it along to US (Texas) end of the summer. Would consider KX3 swap. Drop me mail if interested. Johan, ON4IQ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-mini-available-tp7619540.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From billincolo73 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 10:23:46 2016 From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 07:23:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Crystal Filter Config Qustion Message-ID: <1467555826785-7619541.post@n2.nabble.com> I am uncertain on how to configure the radio's filters using the K3 Utility. I have the 6 KHz & 2.8 KHz filters. I am totally confused by Cady's book, which shows (pg 27) almost all of the ENABLE boxes checked. This doesn't make any sense to me since I doubt the hardware can be configured with all four filters inline, and even if it could, why would anyone want to use a 350 Hz filter on AM. I assume that I check one box for each mode depending on which filter I want used. Thanks, Bill N0CU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-Crystal-Filter-Config-Qustion-tp7619541.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k4ia at aol.com Sun Jul 3 10:31:56 2016 From: k4ia at aol.com (K4ia) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 10:31:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Crystal Filter Config Qustion In-Reply-To: <1467555826785-7619541.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467555826785-7619541.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: In the utility, you tell the K3 which filters are installed. They kick in when you narrow the DSP to within their range. You can select when they kick in in another setting. Buck k4ia K3 #101 Honor Roll 335 8 Band DXCC On 7/3/2016 10:23 AM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: > I am uncertain on how to configure the radio's filters using the K3 Utility. > I have the 6 KHz & 2.8 KHz filters. I am totally confused by Cady's book, > which shows (pg 27) almost all of the ENABLE boxes checked. This doesn't > make any sense to me since I doubt the hardware can be configured with all > four filters inline, and even if it could, why would anyone want to use a > 350 Hz filter on AM. > > I assume that I check one box for each mode depending on which filter I want > used. > > Thanks, > > Bill N0CU > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-Crystal-Filter-Config-Qustion-tp7619541.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4ia at aol.com > From dick at elecraft.com Sun Jul 3 10:36:24 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 07:36:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Crystal Filter Config Qustion In-Reply-To: <1467555826785-7619541.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467555826785-7619541.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3FCDFCE9-4E76-4651-8126-3D998093ECF7@elecraft.com> Only one filter is used at a time. They are not cascaded. Check all the boxes for which the filter might be useful. K3 firmware selects the crystal filter based on the bandwidth you choose with the width knob, from those filters you choose to enable for the mode you are in. For example, if you enable all the filters for CW, you should be able to see which Xtal filter is used from the LCD display as you change the bandwidth knob. If you have, for example a 250, 400, and 2.7 kHz filter and all are enabled in CW, then at bandwidths 250 and below the 250 Hz filter is chosen, bandwidth 300 to 400 the 400 Hz filter is chosen, and above bandwidth 450 the 2.7 kHz filter is chosen. This all applies for receive. For TX, the rules are pretty rigid, and only one filter is involved per mode. 73 de Dick, K6KR 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Jul 3, 2016, at 07:23, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: > > I am uncertain on how to configure the radio's filters using the K3 Utility. > I have the 6 KHz & 2.8 KHz filters. I am totally confused by Cady's book, > which shows (pg 27) almost all of the ENABLE boxes checked. This doesn't > make any sense to me since I doubt the hardware can be configured with all > four filters inline, and even if it could, why would anyone want to use a > 350 Hz filter on AM. > > I assume that I check one box for each mode depending on which filter I want > used. > > Thanks, > > Bill N0CU > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-Crystal-Filter-Config-Qustion-tp7619541.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From brian at g4dvb.co.uk Sun Jul 3 11:09:47 2016 From: brian at g4dvb.co.uk (GW4DVB) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 08:09:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) Message-ID: <1467558587399-7619544.post@n2.nabble.com> Just a quick question on the 3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) Is it really switched? - I'm only asking as it seems to be permanently sitting at 13.8V I am trying to switch off an accessory on keying the K3 ... is there another way ? Thanks -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-12-VDC-OUT-Switched-tp7619544.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sun Jul 3 11:21:49 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 08:21:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I expected. The problem turned out to be that power was not getting to the radio. Well,,, actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles - but no further. I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on the positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the repeated removed of the power connector but it seems that the added current draw of the 100 watt PA did the connection in one way or another. I reflowed the connection and the radio is once again happy. What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was that THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough charge in some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... Again, thanks to all Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From lmarion at mt.net Sun Jul 3 11:49:22 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 09:49:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> What a relief!! I love my K3S, and hope every ham has the pleasure of a high performance rig. Another Elecraft superior moment, it did not destroy itself and waited for the oops moment to pass. Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble shoot chart. Congratulations Ken and 73 Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Ken Arck Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I expected. The problem turned out to be that power was not getting to the radio. Well,,, actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles - but no further. I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on the positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the repeated removed of the power connector but it seems that the added current draw of the 100 watt PA did the connection in one way or another. I reflowed the connection and the radio is once again happy. What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was that THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough charge in some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... Again, thanks to all Ken From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 3 11:59:17 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 11:59:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) In-Reply-To: <1467558587399-7619544.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467558587399-7619544.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The 12VDC output turns on when the K3 is powered. When you turn power off the K3, it should also turn off. If yours behaves differently, there is a problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/3/2016 11:09 AM, GW4DVB wrote: > Just a quick question on the 3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) > > Is it really switched? - I'm only asking as it seems to be permanently > sitting at 13.8V > > I am trying to switch off an accessory on keying the K3 ... is there another > way ? > > From lists at subich.com Sun Jul 3 12:01:55 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 12:01:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) In-Reply-To: <1467558587399-7619544.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467558587399-7619544.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 7/3/2016 11:09 AM, GW4DVB wrote: > Just a quick question on the 3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) > > Is it really switched? - I'm only asking as it seems to be permanently > sitting at 13.8V Yes, it is switched with the POWER switch on the K3. If you look at K3 RF Board (3 of 4) schematic, the feed to the +12V Out jack comes from the drain of Q2. Q2 is the 12V switch to the K3 and is controlled by the /PWR_ON line (Power switch and control processor). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/3/2016 11:09 AM, GW4DVB wrote: > Just a quick question on the 3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) > > Is it really switched? - I'm only asking as it seems to be permanently > sitting at 13.8V > > I am trying to switch off an accessory on keying the K3 ... is there another > way ? > > Thanks > From k9ma at sdellington.us Sun Jul 3 12:06:43 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 11:06:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> Message-ID: <1516c83f-d97b-0b4c-7d64-1e86c5b18e9e@sdellington.us> On 7/3/2016 10:49, lmarion wrote: > Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble > shoot chart. Or: Check the simple stuff first. Now, why do I keep forgetting that? 73, Scott K9MA From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 3 12:11:12 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 09:11:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) In-Reply-To: <1467558587399-7619544.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The 12VDC OUT RCA jack (lower left side of the back panel) turns on when the K3 is turned on and goes off when it is turned off. The KEY OUT RCA jack (lower right) allows you to switch accessories with the change from receive to transmit. I believe it goes to low resistance when the K3 goes into transmit mode. I hope this helps. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/3/16 at 8:09 AM, brian at g4dvb.co.uk (GW4DVB) wrote: >Just a quick question on the 3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) > >Is it really switched? - I'm only asking as it seems to be permanently >sitting at 13.8V > >I am trying to switch off an accessory on keying the K3 ... is there another >way ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From lmarion at mt.net Sun Jul 3 12:17:36 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 10:17:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity receive is fantastic Message-ID: <50AE4C0195244F26AB2A4840EBED329C@LeroyPC> All of the RADAR and beacon systems I worked on before I retired from the FAA used diversity receive. I could see the video clean itself up , but it was a subtle. I did not expect the diversity receive to work excellent like it does on my K3S. I was a little hesitant to get the SUB receiver, I was not sure the advantage was worth it. What a mistake that would have been! Here is a firmware request for the DIV button: Could it auto tune the Subreceiver to your operating frequency when you turn on the Diversity ? That would be so cool. It might already be able to do that, I just have not discovered it yet. Leroy AB7CE From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 3 12:26:29 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 09:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 12 VDC OUT (Switched) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun,7/3/2016 9:11 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > The 12VDC OUT RCA jack (lower left side of the back panel) turns on > when the K3 is turned on and goes off when it is turned off. Yes. I use it to drive a relay that switches power to a lot of shack accessories, like antenna switching relays, a Beverage preamp, the band decoders for my bandpass filters, computer video monitors, etc. I did that when I found that the relatively small but constant drain running 24/7 was depleting much of the charge my solar panels was putting into my batteries! 73, Jim K9YC From georgeking at twc.com Sun Jul 3 12:51:00 2016 From: georgeking at twc.com (George King) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 11:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 No Transmit Message-ID: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> I just received my KX2 and really like it. I have the ATU and battery installed. Receive works fine, but I cannot transmit. When I press PTT I get several beeps and in some cases the radio shuts off. Sometimes I get a Hi CUR message. Here is some data: 7.213 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power set at 8 watts. When I press ATU to tune the tuner works hard and displays 25.4 - 1 while trying to tune and never changes. Is this telling me the SWR is 25.4:1? The antenna SWR checked at the BNC connector on the antenna at the radio with an MFJ 259B is 1.3:1 7.285 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power 8 watts, SWR checked with MFJ 259B is 2.0:1. Same result when I press ATU. When I bypass the ATU I still get the same result except that I do not see the 25.4 - 1 display. Also, same result on all other bands. I installed the side panels before I tried to transmit. I thought maybe I had a bad antenna connection. A check with an ohm meter shows a good connection between the BNC connector and the antenna connection on the ATU board. I checked the connector from the ATU to the RF board and it seems to be mated properly. I tried transmitting into a 50 ohm dummy load with the same result. I made a jumper cable with a BNC connect on it and connected it to the ATU bypassing the installed BNC connector - same result. SN is 463, just installed firmware 2.66. Did not try to transmit before upgrading to 2.66 or installing the side panels. Seems to me I have a bad antenna connection somewhere. Does this make sense? Any help will be appreciated. George King W5AGK From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun Jul 3 12:56:54 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 09:56:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 No Transmit In-Reply-To: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> References: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> Message-ID: <577943D6.1020400@roadrunner.com> Hi George, You should check the two RF cables to make sure they're seated. There is one cable from the ATU to the RF board (two-pin connector at the RF board), and another from the BNC socket to the ATU. Both of these need to be seated in order for the KX2 to work. The 25.4:1 SWR indication usually means the BNC to ATU cable isn't seated, but I would check both. 73! Matt W6NIA On 07/03/2016 09:51 AM, George King wrote: > I just received my KX2 and really like it. I have the ATU and battery > installed. Receive works fine, but I cannot transmit. When I press > PTT I get several beeps and in some cases the radio shuts off. > Sometimes I get a Hi CUR message. Here is some data: > > 7.213 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power set at 8 watts. When I press ATU > to tune the tuner works hard and displays 25.4 - 1 while trying to > tune and never changes. Is this telling me the SWR is 25.4:1? The > antenna SWR checked at the BNC connector on the antenna at the radio > with an MFJ 259B is 1.3:1 > > 7.285 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power 8 watts, SWR checked with MFJ 259B > is 2.0:1. Same result when I press ATU. > > When I bypass the ATU I still get the same result except that I do not > see the 25.4 - 1 display. > > Also, same result on all other bands. I installed the side panels > before I tried to transmit. I thought maybe I had a bad antenna > connection. A check with an ohm meter shows a good connection between > the BNC connector and the antenna connection on the ATU board. > > I checked the connector from the ATU to the RF board and it seems to > be mated properly. I tried transmitting into a 50 ohm dummy load with > the same result. I made a jumper cable with a BNC connect on it and > connected it to the ATU bypassing the installed BNC connector - same > result. > > SN is 463, just installed firmware 2.66. Did not try to transmit > before upgrading to 2.66 or installing the side panels. Seems to me I > have a bad antenna connection somewhere. Does this make sense? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > George King W5AGK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Voignier] From pincon at erols.com Sun Jul 3 13:23:00 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> Message-ID: <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> One more reason to NOT use power-poles. Did I mention that I don't like them? They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lmarion Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:49 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Ken Arck Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s What a relief!! I love my K3S, and hope every ham has the pleasure of a high performance rig. Another Elecraft superior moment, it did not destroy itself and waited for the oops moment to pass. Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble shoot chart. Congratulations Ken and 73 Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Ken Arck Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I expected. The problem turned out to be that power was not getting to the radio. Well,,, actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles - but no further. I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on the positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the repeated removed of the power connector but it seems that the added current draw of the 100 watt PA did the connection in one way or another. I reflowed the connection and the radio is once again happy. What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was that THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough charge in some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... Again, thanks to all Ken ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sun Jul 3 13:33:34 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 10:33:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> Message-ID: They're reusable but I agree. I have never been a fan Ken At 10:23 AM 7/3/2016, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >One more reason to NOT use power-poles. > >Did I mention that I don't like them? >They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. > >Charlie k3ICH > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >lmarion >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:49 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Ken Arck >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > >What a relief!! I love my K3S, and hope every ham has the pleasure of a >high performance rig. >Another Elecraft superior moment, it did not destroy itself and waited for >the oops moment to pass. > >Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble shoot >chart. > >Congratulations Ken and 73 Leroy AB7CE > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Arck >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:21 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > >Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! > >I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I expected. The >problem turned out to be that power was not getting to the radio. Well,,, >actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles - but no further. >I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on the >positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the repeated removed >of the power connector but it seems that the added current draw of the 100 >watt PA did the connection in one way or another. I reflowed the connection >and the radio is once again happy. > >What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was that >THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough charge in >some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... > >Again, thanks to all > >Ken > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >delivered to pincon at erols.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From esteptony at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 13:38:12 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 12:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, lmarion wrote: > ....Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble shoot chart. > ==== That's the truth! A couple of years ago, my K3 would start, everything seemed to work FB, but when I would turn on my computer the K3 would shut off. Of course I thought something was wrong in the computer-radio connection. But what had actually happened is that my power supply had failed. It worked enough to start the K3 but would shut itself off if the radio tried to draw significant current. When the computer connected, it keyed the transmitter just for a few milliseconds, and that was enough to make the PS click off. I went around in circles for a full day before the light dawned. 73, Tony KT0NY From bruce.rosen at rcn.com Sun Jul 3 13:43:29 2016 From: bruce.rosen at rcn.com (K1FFX) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 10:43:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2]K2 filters continue to "drift" out of alignment In-Reply-To: <563963E4.4080501@embarqmail.com> References: <1446595095126-7609910.post@n2.nabble.com> <563963E4.4080501@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1467567809693-7619558.post@n2.nabble.com> I thought I would close the loop on this issue. It turned out that my "fix" last Fall was just a partial or temporary fix and the BFO did, in fact, continue to drift. So, I finally went ahead and did the procedure which you recommended, which I hesitated to do at the time. I removed L33 and reflowed the solder for the two BFO crystals. It turned out that removing L33 was actually straight-forward ... or maybe I'm just getting better at this. It just took good magnifiers and a little patience. In any case, this seems to have fixed the problem. The "center frequencies" moved back to about where they were when I first built the K2 and receiver performance has been restored. Thanks again for the advice. Best - Bruce K1FFX ----- Bruce Rosen K1FFX K2/100 6982 KSB2 KAT100-1 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-K2-filters-continue-to-drift-out-of-alignment-tp7609910p7619558.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Jul 3 13:52:15 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 10:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> Message-ID: <77e92ecc-0184-32c8-babf-431a1efc03df@triconet.org> I don't like them either. On 7/3/2016 10:23 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > One more reason to NOT use power-poles. > > Did I mention that I don't like them? > They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. > > Charlie k3ICH > > From pincon at erols.com Sun Jul 3 13:55:38 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:55:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <9D.F4.51724.F6C49775@mx02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> <9D.F4.51724.F6C49775@mx02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com> Message-ID: <003e01d1d554$1f81e270$5e85a750$@erols.com> How are they re-useable once they're crimped? I guess you could maybe pry the crimp apart. (??) Chas -----Original Message----- From: Ken Arck [mailto:ken at arcomcontrollers.com] Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:34 PM To: Charlie T, K3ICH ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s They're reusable but I agree. I have never been a fan Ken At 10:23 AM 7/3/2016, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >One more reason to NOT use power-poles. > >Did I mention that I don't like them? >They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. > >Charlie k3ICH > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >lmarion >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:49 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Ken Arck >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > >What a relief!! I love my K3S, and hope every ham has the pleasure of a >high performance rig. >Another Elecraft superior moment, it did not destroy itself and waited >for the oops moment to pass. > >Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble >shoot chart. > >Congratulations Ken and 73 Leroy AB7CE > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Arck >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:21 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > >Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! > >I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I >expected. The problem turned out to be that power was not getting to >the radio. Well,,, actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles - but no further. >I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on >the positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the >repeated removed of the power connector but it seems that the added >current draw of the 100 watt PA did the connection in one way or >another. I reflowed the connection and the radio is once again happy. > >What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was >that THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough >charge in some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... > >Again, thanks to all > >Ken > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >pincon at erols.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >ken at arcomcontrollers.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 13:59:49 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <1516c83f-d97b-0b4c-7d64-1e86c5b18e9e@sdellington.us> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <1516c83f-d97b-0b4c-7d64-1e86c5b18e9e@sdellington.us> Message-ID: The eternal lesson, which most of us cannot convince our emotions to believe in the time of trouble, is that most problems are not the rig per se, but lie in all the stressed connections, etc. *IF* I remember at the time of trouble, that the problem is likely elsewhere, I STILL have to almost bite off my tongue to first go looking externally and not emotionally automatically blame the box I'm using at the moment. Always rule out the mechanicals. This includes any cable entry connections in the unit. Not that there haven't been issues with my 7 year old K3 over the years, including a couple of botched mods. A couple of years ago I finally traced a trouble to a PL259 out in the shed I forgot to solder in 1993 -- how many dreary criticisms can you drag out of that? Anywhere possible, ALL of that braided coax is going away this summer. Hardline connectors too expensive? Any flexible stuff will be flooded. The stuff is not too expensive spread out over 20 years. And if you now need to pay to get certain types of outdoor help from time to time, the hardline/flooded line pays for itself the moment you install it. I am doing a rewire of the shack with a reverse oriented six pack so I can switch rigs/amps to one of two hardlines going down to the ham entry point in the garage. Among the possibilities on the times 6 side of the 6-pack switch is a line to the work bench and a line to my AIM 4170. Some time soon I will have stored calibrations of every possible coax path out to antennas, and stored R,X,RL curves on every antenna. Something gets weird with an antenna, I'll switch from an amp output to the AIM input. I'll start with the antenna and move toward the shack. Too much wasted time otherwise. I'm tired of shooting myself in the foot. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:06 PM, K9MA wrote: > On 7/3/2016 10:49, lmarion wrote: >> >> Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble shoot >> chart. > > > Or: Check the simple stuff first. > > Now, why do I keep forgetting that? > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From ny9h at arrl.net Sun Jul 3 14:00:54 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] got pod... did mod.... no tuning action. Message-ID: did the 6 ohm mod, pwr to the pod is good... leds light for the different tuning vfos.. but no vfo movements on the radio/// something does go beep when I plug in ..../ ideas???? bill K3 sn 2244.... From ktalbott at gamewood.net Sun Jul 3 14:03:11 2016 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:03:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <003e01d1d554$1f81e270$5e85a750$@erols.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> <9D.F4.51724.F6C49775@mx02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com> <003e01d1d554$1f81e270$5e85a750$@erols.com> Message-ID: <001401d1d555$2a6ce0d0$7f46a270$@gamewood.net> So what do recommend? Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 1:56 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s How are they re-useable once they're crimped? I guess you could maybe pry the crimp apart. (??) Chas -----Original Message----- From: Ken Arck [mailto:ken at arcomcontrollers.com] Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:34 PM To: Charlie T, K3ICH ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s They're reusable but I agree. I have never been a fan Ken At 10:23 AM 7/3/2016, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >One more reason to NOT use power-poles. > >Did I mention that I don't like them? >They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. > >Charlie k3ICH > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >lmarion >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:49 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Ken Arck >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > >What a relief!! I love my K3S, and hope every ham has the pleasure of a >high performance rig. >Another Elecraft superior moment, it did not destroy itself and waited >for the oops moment to pass. > >Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble >shoot chart. > >Congratulations Ken and 73 Leroy AB7CE > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Arck >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:21 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > >Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! > >I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I >expected. The problem turned out to be that power was not getting to >the radio. Well,,, actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles - but no further. >I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on >the positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the >repeated removed of the power connector but it seems that the added >current draw of the 100 watt PA did the connection in one way or >another. I reflowed the connection and the radio is once again happy. > >What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was >that THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough >charge in some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... > >Again, thanks to all > >Ken > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >pincon at erols.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >ken at arcomcontrollers.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 3 14:05:28 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 11:05:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Powerpoles (again) Message-ID: [New subject in an attempt to avoid topic drift.] Several people have said that they don't like Powerpole power connectors. I like them quite a bit, given their flexibility and ease of use. I will note that the proximate problem that started this thread again was a bad solder joint, which doesn't seem particularly limited to Powerpoles. What power connectors do people actually like? 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:05:25 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 No Transmit In-Reply-To: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> References: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> Message-ID: May not apply in your case, but male BNC connectors can sometimes have the center pin retracted a bit. This can cause the connection to just barely fail in some female connectors and not in others. PROVE that external connections are not the problem before tearing apart the rig or sending it back to Elecraft. 25:1 SWR means no connection on center pin somewhere very close. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:51 PM, George King wrote: > I just received my KX2 and really like it. I have the ATU and battery > installed. Receive works fine, but I cannot transmit. When I press PTT I > get several beeps and in some cases the radio shuts off. Sometimes I get a > Hi CUR message. Here is some data: > > 7.213 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power set at 8 watts. When I press ATU to > tune the tuner works hard and displays 25.4 - 1 while trying to tune and > never changes. Is this telling me the SWR is 25.4:1? The antenna SWR > checked at the BNC connector on the antenna at the radio with an MFJ 259B is > 1.3:1 > > 7.285 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power 8 watts, SWR checked with MFJ 259B is > 2.0:1. Same result when I press ATU. > > When I bypass the ATU I still get the same result except that I do not see > the 25.4 - 1 display. > > Also, same result on all other bands. I installed the side panels before I > tried to transmit. I thought maybe I had a bad antenna connection. A check > with an ohm meter shows a good connection between the BNC connector and the > antenna connection on the ATU board. > > I checked the connector from the ATU to the RF board and it seems to be > mated properly. I tried transmitting into a 50 ohm dummy load with the same > result. I made a jumper cable with a BNC connect on it and connected it to > the ATU bypassing the installed BNC connector - same result. > > SN is 463, just installed firmware 2.66. Did not try to transmit before > upgrading to 2.66 or installing the side panels. Seems to me I have a bad > antenna connection somewhere. Does this make sense? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > George King W5AGK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From ny9h at arrl.net Sun Jul 3 14:08:22 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:08:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kPOD In-Reply-To: <003e01d1d554$1f81e270$5e85a750$@erols.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> <9D.F4.51724.F6C49775@mx02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com> <003e01d1d554$1f81e270$5e85a750$@erols.com> Message-ID: Bill.... go back to the shop and verify you have latest FW in that K3 !!! ok, good idea bill From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:10:08 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:10:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] got pod... did mod.... no tuning action. In-Reply-To: <20160703180411.96AA328B4E5B@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160703180411.96AA328B4E5B@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Is your K3/K3S firmware at MCU 5.50 / DSP 2.87, 5-17-2016? That appears to be *required*. The K3 program internals need the firmware code that knows what a Kpod is and how to use it. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Bill Steffey NY9H wrote: > did the 6 ohm mod, pwr to the pod is good... > leds light for the different tuning vfos.. > > but no vfo movements on the radio/// > > something does go beep when I plug in ..../ > > > ideas???? > > bill K3 sn 2244.... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Jul 3 14:18:42 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 11:18:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <542a468d-68ca-e245-83d4-4837749db403@coho.net> Hello, Solar activity has slowed providing us with fewer ions each day. The solar flux index is around 70 where it had been sitting around 100 for much of the year. Propagation is OK if you can work around the noise. However, conditions during the night of FD were great. Noise was very low allowing me to work the East Coast on both 40 and 80 meters. Exhaustion finally put an end to that run but signals were still strong to the West Coast. Too bad my K3 is still dead or FD would have been more fun. Even though the sun has returned to the Pacific Northwest warmth has not followed. Temperatures right around 60 degrees with a little rain now and then. Without the greenhouse I could not grow vegetables. But clearing brush around it has allowed me to raise my antennas a few feet higher and make them flatter. As they get higher the propagation pattern becomes more selective. If only I could get them closer to the tops of my tall trees. 100 feet or more above ground level would be very nice :) Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From lists at subich.com Sun Jul 3 14:29:21 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:29:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Powerpoles (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95281abf-f6a4-21d8-b988-2cdee58f9037@subich.com> On 7/3/2016 2:05 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > [New subject in an attempt to avoid topic drift.] > > What power connectors do people actually like? 1/4" or 3/8" threaded studs (bolts) for any circuit drawing more than 10 A peak. Certainly *never* a single pin, friction fit connector for anything more than 2A per connection (pin). 73, ... Joe, W4TV From tnnyswy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 14:29:36 2016 From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com (tnnyswy at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1117159206.1114653.1467570577019.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >>> One more reason to NOT use power-poles <<< WELL! This post has now morphed into another Rendition of " Power Poles " (((73))) Milverton / W9MMS From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s One more reason to NOT use power-poles. Did I mention that I don't like them? They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lmarion Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:49 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Ken Arck Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s What a relief!!? I love my K3S, and hope every? ham has the pleasure of a high performance rig. Another Elecraft superior moment,? it did not destroy itself and waited for the oops moment to pass. Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble shoot chart. Congratulations Ken and 73? Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Ken Arck Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I expected. The problem turned out to be that power was not getting to the radio. Well,,, actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles -? but no further. I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on the positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the repeated removed of the power connector but it seems that the added current draw of the 100 watt PA did the connection in one way or another. I reflowed the connection and the radio is once again happy. What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was that THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough charge in some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... Again, thanks to all Ken ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:40:23 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity receive is fantastic In-Reply-To: <50AE4C0195244F26AB2A4840EBED329C@LeroyPC> References: <50AE4C0195244F26AB2A4840EBED329C@LeroyPC> Message-ID: Hi Leroy, When you place the rig in diversity, both receivers run directly off the main (VFO A) synthesizer, period. If you are in diversity and TX on your RX frequency, VFO B is not being used for anything. VFO B remains independent so that such as split operation is possible. Having VFO B hard reset to the VFO A frequency going into diversity would blow up many common operating procedures. Operating diversity, or not, listening to an up 2 frequency for a TX operating spot can be necessary. In split mode with diversity on, a double tap to the SUB button has me listening to the TX frequency in the right ear, and a hold on the SUB puts me back in diversity, **without losing my TX frequency** on VFO B. It is possible to get K3 diversity to the audiophile's "sound stage" level, where the band noise spreads all around the audio "horizon" and CW signals come from point sources. Has mostly to do with the various RF, AF, PRE, AGC settings, and using RX antennas with deliberate varying patterns. When the pileup or weak-signal-plus-noise is spread around the sound stage, diversity is really neat, and amazingly helpful. That is at the point where you have fed enough and proper information to the headphones for your brain to separate everything out like a conversation in a noisy crowded room. This is not the same thing as diversity for the sake of not having both channels fade out at the same time. If one has not experienced a pileup on a K3 diversity sound stage, you haven't yet experienced what it can do. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:17 PM, lmarion wrote: > All of the RADAR and beacon systems I worked on before I retired from the FAA > > used diversity receive. I could see the video clean itself up , but it was a subtle. > > I did not expect the diversity receive to work excellent like it does on my K3S. > > I was a little hesitant to get the SUB receiver, I was not sure the advantage was worth it. > > What a mistake that would have been! > > Here is a firmware request for the DIV button: > > Could it auto tune the Subreceiver to your operating frequency when you turn on the Diversity ? > > That would be so cool. It might already be able to do that, I just have not discovered it yet. > > Leroy AB7CE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:42:54 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:42:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <1117159206.1114653.1467570577019.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> <1117159206.1114653.1467570577019.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well at least it's not "Finding True North" again on TowerTalk. :>) You have not suffered endless threads until you have to filter out the words "true north" in any email. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: >>>> One more reason to NOT use power-poles <<< > WELL! This post has now morphed into another Rendition of " Power Poles " > > (((73))) Milverton / W9MMS > > > From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:23 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > > > One more reason to NOT use power-poles. > > Did I mention that I don't like them? > They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. > > Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > lmarion > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:49 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Ken Arck > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > > What a relief!! I love my K3S, and hope every ham has the pleasure of a > high performance rig. > Another Elecraft superior moment, it did not destroy itself and waited for > the oops moment to pass. > > Another teaching moment: Check power supply is No 1 on every trouble shoot > chart. > > Congratulations Ken and 73 Leroy AB7CE > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Arck > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:21 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > > Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help! > > I did find the problem this morning and man, it was not what I expected. The > problem turned out to be that power was not getting to the radio. Well,,, > actually it WAS getting to the radio - to the Power Poles - but no further. > I decided to poke around a bit and found that the solder connection on the > positive pole - it appeared to be cracked, perhaps from the repeated removed > of the power connector but it seems that the added current draw of the 100 > watt PA did the connection in one way or another. I reflowed the connection > and the radio is once again happy. > > What threw me (and why no power wasn't my first thought to check) was that > THUMP when the power button was tapped. I guess there was a enough charge in > some capacitor to do that. Ah well, live and learn.... > > Again, thanks to all > > Ken > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From georgeking at twc.com Sun Jul 3 15:04:40 2016 From: georgeking at twc.com (George King) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 No Transmit In-Reply-To: References: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> Message-ID: <8218b5a9-764d-2a2c-1bdc-fb53e661192f@twc.com> Thanks Guy, I checked my connector and in fact tried two other coax leads - all with the same result. 73, George W5AGK On 7/3/2016 1:05 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > May not apply in your case, but male BNC connectors can sometimes have > the center pin retracted a bit. This can cause the connection to just > barely fail in some female connectors and not in others. > > PROVE that external connections are not the problem before tearing > apart the rig or sending it back to Elecraft. > > 25:1 SWR means no connection on center pin somewhere very close. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:51 PM, George King wrote: >> I just received my KX2 and really like it. I have the ATU and battery >> installed. Receive works fine, but I cannot transmit. When I press PTT I >> get several beeps and in some cases the radio shuts off. Sometimes I get a >> Hi CUR message. Here is some data: >> >> 7.213 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power set at 8 watts. When I press ATU to >> tune the tuner works hard and displays 25.4 - 1 while trying to tune and >> never changes. Is this telling me the SWR is 25.4:1? The antenna SWR >> checked at the BNC connector on the antenna at the radio with an MFJ 259B is >> 1.3:1 >> >> 7.285 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power 8 watts, SWR checked with MFJ 259B is >> 2.0:1. Same result when I press ATU. >> >> When I bypass the ATU I still get the same result except that I do not see >> the 25.4 - 1 display. >> >> Also, same result on all other bands. I installed the side panels before I >> tried to transmit. I thought maybe I had a bad antenna connection. A check >> with an ohm meter shows a good connection between the BNC connector and the >> antenna connection on the ATU board. >> >> I checked the connector from the ATU to the RF board and it seems to be >> mated properly. I tried transmitting into a 50 ohm dummy load with the same >> result. I made a jumper cable with a BNC connect on it and connected it to >> the ATU bypassing the installed BNC connector - same result. >> >> SN is 463, just installed firmware 2.66. Did not try to transmit before >> upgrading to 2.66 or installing the side panels. Seems to me I have a bad >> antenna connection somewhere. Does this make sense? >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> George King W5AGK >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From georgeking at twc.com Sun Jul 3 15:06:43 2016 From: georgeking at twc.com (George King) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:06:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 No Transmit In-Reply-To: <577943D6.1020400@roadrunner.com> References: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> <577943D6.1020400@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <76b7df78-007b-7109-2f35-8dcb59fd0769@twc.com> Thanks Matt, I did check both connectors and they are both seated. 73, George W5AGK On 7/3/2016 11:56 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > Hi George, > > You should check the two RF cables to make sure they're seated. There > is one cable from the ATU to the RF board (two-pin connector at the RF > board), and another from the BNC socket to the ATU. Both of these need > to be seated in order for the KX2 to work. The 25.4:1 SWR indication > usually means the BNC to ATU cable isn't seated, but I would check both. > > 73! > Matt W6NIA > > > On 07/03/2016 09:51 AM, George King wrote: >> I just received my KX2 and really like it. I have the ATU and >> battery installed. Receive works fine, but I cannot transmit. When >> I press PTT I get several beeps and in some cases the radio shuts >> off. Sometimes I get a Hi CUR message. Here is some data: >> >> 7.213 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power set at 8 watts. When I press >> ATU to tune the tuner works hard and displays 25.4 - 1 while trying >> to tune and never changes. Is this telling me the SWR is 25.4:1? The >> antenna SWR checked at the BNC connector on the antenna at the radio >> with an MFJ 259B is 1.3:1 >> >> 7.285 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power 8 watts, SWR checked with MFJ 259B >> is 2.0:1. Same result when I press ATU. >> >> When I bypass the ATU I still get the same result except that I do >> not see the 25.4 - 1 display. >> >> Also, same result on all other bands. I installed the side panels >> before I tried to transmit. I thought maybe I had a bad antenna >> connection. A check with an ohm meter shows a good connection >> between the BNC connector and the antenna connection on the ATU board. >> >> I checked the connector from the ATU to the RF board and it seems to >> be mated properly. I tried transmitting into a 50 ohm dummy load >> with the same result. I made a jumper cable with a BNC connect on it >> and connected it to the ATU bypassing the installed BNC connector - >> same result. >> >> SN is 463, just installed firmware 2.66. Did not try to transmit >> before upgrading to 2.66 or installing the side panels. Seems to me >> I have a bad antenna connection somewhere. Does this make sense? >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> George King W5AGK >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > From riese-k3djc at juno.com Sun Jul 3 15:18:23 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:18:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Powerpoles (again) Message-ID: for up tp 5 amps so I like RCA Phono Plugs inex,,, cant reverse them,, makes it hard for other folk to borrow your gear,,,, really ! Bob K3DJC On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 11:05:28 -0700 Bill Frantz writes: > [New subject in an attempt to avoid topic drift.] > > Several people have said that they don't like Powerpole power > connectors. I like them quite a bit, given their flexibility and > ease of use. I will note that the proximate problem that started > this thread again was a bad solder joint, which doesn't seem > particularly limited to Powerpoles. > > What power connectors do people actually like? > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 > Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, > CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 15:28:37 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:28:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 No Transmit In-Reply-To: <76b7df78-007b-7109-2f35-8dcb59fd0769@twc.com> References: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> <577943D6.1020400@roadrunner.com> <76b7df78-007b-7109-2f35-8dcb59fd0769@twc.com> Message-ID: It just sounds, walks and talks like a BNC problem. Try a small guage wire about 10 foot long directly inserted into the center pin connector, and retry. See if the SWR comes down to some degree, if you hear anything on RX. If so, then for whatever reason, the cable BNC pin is not making contact with the jack's center pin receptacle. See if there is a burr on the outside of the BNC jack barrel that prevents being able to shove the BNC all the way home. Is the twist motion at the end of hooking up reasonably easy? It shouldn't be hard if it's shoved all the way home. See if the center pin receptacle in the BNC jack seems "spread apart". There have been poor quality BNC plugs with oversized pins which spread apart the center pin receptacles in BNC jacks and cause problems later. Hardware is not always good. I once had to deal with a Type F connector that lacked threads to grab the threads on the jack's barrel. The BNC jack can be bad, or a cold solder joint to the circuit board, etc, etc. It just sounds like BNC problems. You wouldn't be using 75 ohm BNC plugs would you? I remember something about 75 ohm BNC hardware causing problems. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:06 PM, George King wrote: > Thanks Matt, > > I did check both connectors and they are both seated. > > 73, George W5AGK > > > On 7/3/2016 11:56 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> >> Hi George, >> >> You should check the two RF cables to make sure they're seated. There is >> one cable from the ATU to the RF board (two-pin connector at the RF board), >> and another from the BNC socket to the ATU. Both of these need to be seated >> in order for the KX2 to work. The 25.4:1 SWR indication usually means the >> BNC to ATU cable isn't seated, but I would check both. >> >> 73! >> Matt W6NIA >> >> >> On 07/03/2016 09:51 AM, George King wrote: >>> >>> I just received my KX2 and really like it. I have the ATU and battery >>> installed. Receive works fine, but I cannot transmit. When I press PTT I >>> get several beeps and in some cases the radio shuts off. Sometimes I get a >>> Hi CUR message. Here is some data: >>> >>> 7.213 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power set at 8 watts. When I press ATU to >>> tune the tuner works hard and displays 25.4 - 1 while trying to tune and >>> never changes. Is this telling me the SWR is 25.4:1? The antenna SWR >>> checked at the BNC connector on the antenna at the radio with an MFJ 259B is >>> 1.3:1 >>> >>> 7.285 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power 8 watts, SWR checked with MFJ 259B is >>> 2.0:1. Same result when I press ATU. >>> >>> When I bypass the ATU I still get the same result except that I do not >>> see the 25.4 - 1 display. >>> >>> Also, same result on all other bands. I installed the side panels before >>> I tried to transmit. I thought maybe I had a bad antenna connection. A >>> check with an ohm meter shows a good connection between the BNC connector >>> and the antenna connection on the ATU board. >>> >>> I checked the connector from the ATU to the RF board and it seems to be >>> mated properly. I tried transmitting into a 50 ohm dummy load with the same >>> result. I made a jumper cable with a BNC connect on it and connected it to >>> the ATU bypassing the installed BNC connector - same result. >>> >>> SN is 463, just installed firmware 2.66. Did not try to transmit before >>> upgrading to 2.66 or installing the side panels. Seems to me I have a bad >>> antenna connection somewhere. Does this make sense? >>> >>> Any help will be appreciated. >>> >>> George King W5AGK >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From georgeking at twc.com Sun Jul 3 16:06:39 2016 From: georgeking at twc.com (George King) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:06:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 No Transmit In-Reply-To: References: <1ef0283e-1625-e211-2712-82ad87a69f78@twc.com> <577943D6.1020400@roadrunner.com> <76b7df78-007b-7109-2f35-8dcb59fd0769@twc.com> Message-ID: Hi Guy, Small wire in center pin connector - no change. No burr on the connector. Connection feels normal - not too hard or too easy. Center pin receptacle not spread. 50 ohm connector. I did make a test lead with a BNC female connector on one end and the 2 pin Molex on the other and hooked the antenna up through this test lead - same problem. Thanks for trying to help. It's got to be an antenna connection problem somewhere. Receive is good - good audio. 73, George W5AGK On 7/3/2016 2:28 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > It just sounds, walks and talks like a BNC problem. > > Try a small guage wire about 10 foot long directly inserted into the > center pin connector, and retry. See if the SWR comes down to some > degree, if you hear anything on RX. If so, then for whatever reason, > the cable BNC pin is not making contact with the jack's center pin > receptacle. > > See if there is a burr on the outside of the BNC jack barrel that > prevents being able to shove the BNC all the way home. > > Is the twist motion at the end of hooking up reasonably easy? It > shouldn't be hard if it's shoved all the way home. > > See if the center pin receptacle in the BNC jack seems "spread apart". > There have been poor quality BNC plugs with oversized pins which > spread apart the center pin receptacles in BNC jacks and cause > problems later. > > Hardware is not always good. I once had to deal with a Type F > connector that lacked threads to grab the threads on the jack's > barrel. > > The BNC jack can be bad, or a cold solder joint to the circuit board, > etc, etc. It just sounds like BNC problems. > > You wouldn't be using 75 ohm BNC plugs would you? I remember something > about 75 ohm BNC hardware causing problems. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:06 PM, George King wrote: >> Thanks Matt, >> >> I did check both connectors and they are both seated. >> >> 73, George W5AGK >> >> >> On 7/3/2016 11:56 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >>> Hi George, >>> >>> You should check the two RF cables to make sure they're seated. There is >>> one cable from the ATU to the RF board (two-pin connector at the RF board), >>> and another from the BNC socket to the ATU. Both of these need to be seated >>> in order for the KX2 to work. The 25.4:1 SWR indication usually means the >>> BNC to ATU cable isn't seated, but I would check both. >>> >>> 73! >>> Matt W6NIA >>> >>> >>> On 07/03/2016 09:51 AM, George King wrote: >>>> I just received my KX2 and really like it. I have the ATU and battery >>>> installed. Receive works fine, but I cannot transmit. When I press PTT I >>>> get several beeps and in some cases the radio shuts off. Sometimes I get a >>>> Hi CUR message. Here is some data: >>>> >>>> 7.213 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power set at 8 watts. When I press ATU to >>>> tune the tuner works hard and displays 25.4 - 1 while trying to tune and >>>> never changes. Is this telling me the SWR is 25.4:1? The antenna SWR >>>> checked at the BNC connector on the antenna at the radio with an MFJ 259B is >>>> 1.3:1 >>>> >>>> 7.285 MHz, Voltage 11.7, Power 8 watts, SWR checked with MFJ 259B is >>>> 2.0:1. Same result when I press ATU. >>>> >>>> When I bypass the ATU I still get the same result except that I do not >>>> see the 25.4 - 1 display. >>>> >>>> Also, same result on all other bands. I installed the side panels before >>>> I tried to transmit. I thought maybe I had a bad antenna connection. A >>>> check with an ohm meter shows a good connection between the BNC connector >>>> and the antenna connection on the ATU board. >>>> >>>> I checked the connector from the ATU to the RF board and it seems to be >>>> mated properly. I tried transmitting into a 50 ohm dummy load with the same >>>> result. I made a jumper cable with a BNC connect on it and connected it to >>>> the ATU bypassing the installed BNC connector - same result. >>>> >>>> SN is 463, just installed firmware 2.66. Did not try to transmit before >>>> upgrading to 2.66 or installing the side panels. Seems to me I have a bad >>>> antenna connection somewhere. Does this make sense? >>>> >>>> Any help will be appreciated. >>>> >>>> George King W5AGK >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From w5jv at hotmail.com Sun Jul 3 16:06:39 2016 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:06:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA Message-ID: Subject says it all. Looking for a clear recommendation for a decent monitor that will last. Also what is too small and what is too big and so a waste of room? One side of me tells me anything that will display text well will display the P3 signal but another side tells me "Don't assume !!). Please respond in private if you'd like. Thank you. Doug W5JV From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 16:43:23 2016 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:43:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82481415-594E-4D24-94D2-5CA7F9C45601@gmail.com> So I have had some quality time with my K2 this weekend. I am thinking of doing this modification to my sidetone, has anyone tried it? http://qrpzone.com/elecraft-k2-side-tone-mod/ Seems pretty easy to do and I have always thought it was ?my ears?. Comments? Frank KG9H From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 16:51:26 2016 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Trouble with KX3 on RTTY References: <184879675.858265.1467579086335.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <184879675.858265.1467579086335.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Even following Kady's book, I can't get the KX3 to decode RTTY this weekend. Does anyone have hints on the setup?? (I put the Kx3 in USB, hit data and set it to 45baud AFSK A and decode text.)? With lots of tuning, I get gibberish. S meter is in dual peak mode. Thanks for any help. de Doug K6JEY ? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 3 16:54:08 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:54:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <001401d1d555$2a6ce0d0$7f46a270$@gamewood.net> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> <9D.F4.51724.F6C49775@mx02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com> <003e01d1d554$1f81e270$5e85a750$@erols.com> <001401d1d555$2a6ce0d0$7f46a270$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <7fb42af5-bb2e-3e2e-0795-f10438c7d400@embarqmail.com> Don't monkey around with a bad power cable. If you do not have tight (low resistance) connections capable of carrying the full current, they will overheat and can be a source of a fire. My recommendation is to replace the APP connector with another (or buy an assembled cable). You *may* be able to remove the contact blade giving problems from the housing by itself and replace that contact blade. To release the contact blade from the spring finger, put a slender tipped screwdriver between the contact blade and the spring finger beneath it and pull (or push) the contact blade back until it clears the spring finger, then pull it out of the housing. Download the XV50, 144, 222 Assembly manual from the Elecraft website and look at figure 29 on page 37 for a good cutaway diagram of a properly assembled APP connector. Page 38 of that manual also shows how the tip of the APP connector should look when the contact blade has been fully inserted. Do *not* try to re-use the contact blade. If you do not have any, you can order a new one from Elecraft. The part number for the contact blade is E620062 - APP Connector crimp pin. If you need to replace the housings as well, the red one is Elecraft p/n E620059 and the black one is p/n E620060. You will need 2 contact blades if you are assembling a complete connector. You can order 15 amp APP connector sets from other sources as well. Alternately, you can order the pre-assembled power cable with an APP connector at one end and #12 ring lugs at the other from Elecraft p/n KPCA-F. If you do not have the proper Powerpole crimping tool, do *not* crimp with an alternate tool. Instead solder the wire into the contact blades. Be careful not to get any solder on the front surface of the contact blade because that will prevent proper insertion of the blade into the housing. On 7/3/2016 2:03 PM, Ken Talbott wrote: > So what do recommend? > Ken - ke4rg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Charlie T, K3ICH > Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 1:56 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s > > How are they re-useable once they're crimped? > > I guess you could maybe pry the crimp apart. (??) > > From lists at subich.com Sun Jul 3 17:09:11 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Trouble with KX3 on RTTY In-Reply-To: <184879675.858265.1467579086335.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <184879675.858265.1467579086335.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <184879675.858265.1467579086335.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > (I put the Kx3 in USB, hit data and set it to 45baud AFSK A and > decodetext.) You are *inverted*. Select AFSK_A instead of USB - that will put you into *lower sideband mode* which is the traditional "sense" for RTTY. AFSK traditionally uses 2125/2295 Hz tones (or 1275/1445 Hz) with the lower tone (*higher* RF frequency) representing MARK. The *only time* one would use USB is if using *brain dead software* written by a programmer who has no concept of tradition and is *too lazy* to provide the option to use LSB. However, if you are using the internal encoder/decoder in an Elecraft transceiver use AFSK_A. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/3/2016 4:51 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote: > Hi, Even following Kady's book, I can't get the KX3 to decode RTTY this weekend. Does anyone have hints on the setup? (I put the Kx3 in USB, hit data and set it to 45baud AFSK A and decode text.) With lots of tuning, I get gibberish. S meter is in dual peak mode. Thanks for any help. de Doug K6JEY > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 3 17:19:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:19:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone In-Reply-To: <82481415-594E-4D24-94D2-5CA7F9C45601@gmail.com> References: <82481415-594E-4D24-94D2-5CA7F9C45601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f1e1d5d-6506-33ba-9f34-9482214bf701@embarqmail.com> Frank, That mod is not for all K2s - the K2 design was changed to produce a more sine-wave sidetone. Look closely at the information below. If your K2 serial number is lower than 3000 - *and* you have not installed the K2ATOB mod kit, then that can be a worthwhile change. Be aware that this published mod is quite old, and will cause problems if you attempt to apply it to a K2 above SN3000 or one which has been upgraded with the A to B mods. The sidetone changes made with the A to B kit and K2s above SN 3000 are not exactly the same as this mod, but do essentially the same thing, but with slightly different component values. If your K2 is below SN3000 and has not yet had the A to B kit installed as well as the other mod kits indicated on the A to B Instruction sheets, then I recommend you do those upgrades instead of just adding the sidetone mod. The temperature stability and electrical stability of your older K2 will be improved substantially. If the serial number is below 2560, you will also benefit by changing the IF crystals on both the base K2 and the KSB2 option for a smoother filter response. Look at the markings on the crystals - the new crystals have a "-S" suffix marked on them. If it is anything else, you have the older crystals. The new crystals were shipped with kits beginning at SN 2560. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/3/2016 4:43 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote: > So I have had some quality time with my K2 this weekend. > I am thinking of doing this modification to my sidetone, has anyone tried it? > > http://qrpzone.com/elecraft-k2-side-tone-mod/ > > Seems pretty easy to do and I have always thought it was ?my ears?. > > Comments? > > From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 17:31:45 2016 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:31:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7533E859B18E4CBDAB1F96273881BE50@Toshiba> I have a pair of P3's driving a pair of 23" diagonal measurement monitors, running at 1440 x 900 resolution, which is the best compromise of responsiveness and granularity. I think that size monitor is just about right, especially for displaying large segments of the band. For example, in a CW contest, I can display about 40 KHz of the band, and still be able to easily detect vacant spaces where I can slide in and start calling CQ. Monitors of about that size are also the sweet spot in the pricing right now. Whatever you get, make sure it will run at 1440 x 900. You will probably have to download and read the owner's manual to make sure. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Doug Hensley Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 1:06 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA Subject says it all. Looking for a clear recommendation for a decent monitor that will last. Also what is too small and what is too big and so a waste of room? One side of me tells me anything that will display text well will display the P3 signal but another side tells me "Don't assume !!). Please respond in private if you'd like. Thank you. Doug W5JV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 3 17:41:00 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:41:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d1d573$9759b8d0$c60d2a70$@biz> Being a bit of a tightwad, I picked up an ACER S201HL 20" monitor on sale ($60 IIRC). Works FB for me. Been using it for four years now. The 20" size is a comfortable reading size for me with the monitor three feet or so away. Some will say it is not possible to have a monitor that is "too big", Hi! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Hensley Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 1:07 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA Subject says it all. Looking for a clear recommendation for a decent monitor that will last. Also what is too small and what is too big and so a waste of room? From reuben.popp at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 17:44:19 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:44:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S Message-ID: Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement in QST some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to listen in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... that is until now. In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents and purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than what the 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, doubly so as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in the way for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm willing to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, so I had best make it count. Thanks in advance to all and 73 Reuben From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Jul 3 17:45:48 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:45:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone In-Reply-To: <6f1e1d5d-6506-33ba-9f34-9482214bf701@embarqmail.com> References: <82481415-594E-4D24-94D2-5CA7F9C45601@gmail.com> <6f1e1d5d-6506-33ba-9f34-9482214bf701@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <18aadd81-2237-e049-c165-7296aa3c4253@socal.rr.com> What Don says is right on! I have K2/100 #380 and have done all the mods -- and they were all worth doing :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 7/3/16 2:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Frank, > > That mod is not for all K2s - the K2 design was > changed to produce a more sine-wave sidetone. > Look closely at the information below. > > If your K2 serial number is lower than 3000 - > *and* you have not installed the K2ATOB mod kit, > then that can be a worthwhile change. > Be aware that this published mod is quite old, > and will cause problems if you attempt to apply > it to a K2 above SN3000 or one which has been > upgraded with the A to B mods. > > The sidetone changes made with the A to B kit > and K2s above SN 3000 are not exactly the same > as this mod, but do essentially the same thing, > but with slightly different component values. > > If your K2 is below SN3000 and has not yet had > the A to B kit installed as well as the other > mod kits indicated on the A to B Instruction > sheets, then I recommend you do those upgrades > instead of just adding the sidetone mod. The > temperature stability and electrical stability > of your older K2 will be improved substantially. > > If the serial number is below 2560, you will > also benefit by changing the IF crystals on both > the base K2 and the KSB2 option for a smoother > filter response. Look at the markings on the > crystals - the new crystals have a "-S" suffix > marked on them. If it is anything else, you > have the older crystals. The new crystals were > shipped with kits beginning at SN 2560. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/3/2016 4:43 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote: >> So I have had some quality time with my K2 this >> weekend. >> I am thinking of doing this modification to my >> sidetone, has anyone tried it? >> >> http://qrpzone.com/elecraft-k2-side-tone-mod/ >> >> Seems pretty easy to do and I have always >> thought it was ?my ears?. >> >> Comments? From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 3 17:46:59 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone In-Reply-To: <82481415-594E-4D24-94D2-5CA7F9C45601@gmail.com> References: <82481415-594E-4D24-94D2-5CA7F9C45601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701d1d574$6dee6e40$49cb4ac0$@biz> Yes, and it does produce a tone noticeably closer to a sine wave. However, as a "certifiable" O.T. for years my transmit sidetone was just the squawks, bleats and thumps the receiver made when the transmitter overloaded it before I graduated to a homebrew oscillator that produced a sawtooth output, so the idea of pursuing a musically-pure sidetone has never been an issue for me. I made the mod more out of curiosity than an issue with the original tone. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 1:43 PM To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone So I have had some quality time with my K2 this weekend. I am thinking of doing this modification to my sidetone, has anyone tried it? http://qrpzone.com/elecraft-k2-side-tone-mod/ Seems pretty easy to do and I have always thought it was ?my ears?. Comments? Frank KG9H From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 17:47:00 2016 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY References: <318341219.2613004.1467582420212.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <318341219.2613004.1467582420212.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Joe. Got it figured. I had a switch set wrong. It pays to actually see what the display says. Decoding fine. Doug K6EY ? From kz5d at aol.com Sun Jul 3 18:03:08 2016 From: kz5d at aol.com (Art) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:03:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod manual available for download? Message-ID: <155b2c95a15-35f5-d741@webprd-m74.mail.aol.com> Checked the Elecraft site and didn't see any option to download a manual. Is there one and I missed it? Only noticed the chance to download a data sheet. Happy 4th to all. 73, Art KZ5D From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Jul 3 18:22:16 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:22:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity receive is fantastic Message-ID: <201607032222.u63MMbD4003155@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Seems a solution looking for a problem. In diversity both Rx are slaved to VFO-A. I use diversity on 2m eme to receive two polarities simultaneously and can select Rx frequency up to +/- 45 KHz of the setting of VFO-A. To transmit on the selected Rx frequency I operate split Tx using VFO-B. Tying the Tx to the Rx would defeat my use of diversity mode in the K3. The sw used is MAP65 which automatically peaks the signal to optimum polarity and displays the polarity angle (using JT65B mode). With my K3+DEMI dual Rx transverter+antenna array+8877 PA there is probably a $5K investment which would be rendered null and void with tying the Tx to VFO-A (so please don't). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Jul 3 18:39:32 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:39:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Powerpoles (again) Message-ID: <201607032239.u63MdWrB002511@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I only have power-pole's on my K3/10 and KXPA-100. I installed a power-pole on the CCI 140w linear I built, but would not do it a second time. None of these power-pole will stay seated if equipment is physically moved. I very much like the power connectors used by DEMI on their transverters but do not have a source for them. I chose 4-pin mic connectors to use as dc power and PTT jack on the 80w 2m Linear Amp I built last winter (for twelve customers). Hardly any mics use that connector anymore so not likely one would connect a mic there . For commercial equipment I used multi-pin Mil-spec threaded round connectors. They cost over $30 so hams would not pay that. But for hard-duty usage they are super. You can hold the weight of the Pelican Cased equipment via the cord! Plus they are water-tight. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ppauly at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 18:42:31 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Powerpoles (again) In-Reply-To: <201607032239.u63MdWrB002511@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201607032239.u63MdWrB002511@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I believe these are what you are thinking of: http://www.neutrik.com/en/audio/powercon/ On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I only have power-pole's on my K3/10 and KXPA-100. > > I installed a power-pole on the CCI 140w linear I built, but would not do > it a second time. None of these power-pole will stay seated if equipment > is physically moved. > > I very much like the power connectors used by DEMI on their transverters > but do not have a source for them. I chose 4-pin mic connectors to use as > dc power and PTT jack on the 80w 2m Linear Amp I built last winter (for > twelve customers). Hardly any mics use that connector anymore so not > likely one would connect a mic there . > > For commercial equipment I used multi-pin Mil-spec threaded round > connectors. They cost over $30 so hams would not pay that. But for > hard-duty usage they are super. You can hold the weight of the Pelican > Cased equipment via the cord! Plus they are water-tight. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 3 18:49:27 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity receive is fantastic In-Reply-To: <50AE4C0195244F26AB2A4840EBED329C@LeroyPC> References: <50AE4C0195244F26AB2A4840EBED329C@LeroyPC> Message-ID: Leroy, I believe the "change" you request is already available, it just takes some understanding of the difference between Diversity mode and the subRX in non-diversity. When the K3/K3S is in diversity mode, the operation is just like a single receiver - both the main and subRX work from VFO A, except that you hear the subRX in one ear and the main in the other. If you have antennas that are compatible with diversity receive (such as one vertical one the other horizontally polarized), then you will have full diversity when you select the AUX antenna for the subRX. So, when you select DIV, both receivers will be listening to the same frequency - that is already the norm. Much of what you request can be answered by a study of the antenna configuration diagrams in the manual. I believe what you want to achieve is already present. If instead you meant "operating frequency" to mean your transmit frequency in split mode, then you do not want diversity receive, you want the SUB turned on in normal mode. The subRX will listen to the frequency on VFO B (monitoring the pileup in most cases). When you go to SPLIT, the subRX will listen to your proposed transmit frequency on VFO B the main RX will listen to the DX on VFO A. With the subRX installed, you have an option of not going into split at all, set VFO B to the DX station, and tune the pileup with VFO A. Transmit will be on the VFO A frequency (without SPLIT). I hope this clarifies the situation for you. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/3/2016 12:17 PM, lmarion wrote: > All of the RADAR and beacon systems I worked on before I retired from the FAA > > used diversity receive. I could see the video clean itself up , but it was a subtle. > > I did not expect the diversity receive to work excellent like it does on my K3S. > > I was a little hesitant to get the SUB receiver, I was not sure the advantage was worth it. > > What a mistake that would have been! > > Here is a firmware request for the DIV button: > > Could it auto tune the Subreceiver to your operating frequency when you turn on the Diversity ? > > That would be so cool. It might already be able to do that, I just have not discovered it yet. > > From pheller at me.com Sun Jul 3 19:08:27 2016 From: pheller at me.com (Phillip Heller) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 19:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Misc. EC2 panels available Message-ID: <31108D1A-7624-4E90-8C0F-178B06F1176E@me.com> While cleaning out a closet, I came across the Top Cover, Front Panel, and Heat Sink panel from when I long ago built a KPA100 + KAT100-2 in an EC2. They are in good condition. Find a picture here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/8377240 at N08/28068372495/ They're free, just pay for postage from 02478. Regards, Phil From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Jul 3 19:38:41 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:38:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Powerpoles (again) In-Reply-To: <201607032239.u63MdWrB002511@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201607032239.u63MdWrB002511@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <8bf367cc-103e-f623-aff9-e681647c2cf8@foothill.net> I always used Molex connectors, they seem to work well. I switched to APP's when it seemed everyone was, I have the WMR crimper and haven't had any problems but then, I don't move my radio around much. I'm sort of with Joe for higher current stuff ... terminals and screws. I know -- KID: "But Mom, EVERYONE is doing it!" MOM: "If everyone was jumping off a cliff, would you?" I don't have a better reason. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 7/3/2016 3:39 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I only have power-pole's on my K3/10 and KXPA-100. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 3 19:42:01 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:42:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Crystal Filter Config Qustion In-Reply-To: <1467555826785-7619541.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467555826785-7619541.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3b81ab74-9b26-c617-f624-b93341972dc2@embarqmail.com> Bill, The fact is that the receive filters can be configured for whatever you want. Of course, it is not productive to enable a 400Hz filter for SSB or AM, but the check boxes will allow that if you desire. Use some sense, and configure the filters that you have installed in your K3/K3S in a reasonable manner. If you have the 2.1 or 1.8 filters installed, you would want to select them for SSB RX, but selecting the 1.0kHz for SSB (or AM) would be "iffy" - similarly any filters that are more narrow. The filters that you select for any particular mode will determine which filters will be 'stepped through' as you rotate the width (or HiCut/LoCut) knob. Yes, check the boxes for each mode only for the filters that you want to use for that mode. For transmit, the filter requirements are more stringent. Select the 2.7(2.8)kHz filter for CW, SSB and Data TX and the 6kHz filter for AM and ESSB TX and the 13kHz filter for FM TX. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/3/2016 10:23 AM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: > I am uncertain on how to configure the radio's filters using the K3 Utility. > I have the 6 KHz & 2.8 KHz filters. I am totally confused by Cady's book, > which shows (pg 27) almost all of the ENABLE boxes checked. This doesn't > make any sense to me since I doubt the hardware can be configured with all > four filters inline, and even if it could, why would anyone want to use a > 350 Hz filter on AM. > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 3 20:10:33 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:10:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Well Hell.... I just bricked my K3s In-Reply-To: <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> References: <20160703152245.0EE4426B9811@mailman.qth.net> <2641AAAF8A0C4165A7C95F1A3FF84018@LeroyPC> <003a01d1d54f$9104ab30$b30e0190$@erols.com> Message-ID: On Sun,7/3/2016 10:23 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > One more reason to NOT use power-poles. > > Did I mention that I don't like them? > They are hard to use, over-rated, unreliable and not re-useable. YMMV. I've been using them since I got my K2 around 2003, and love them. I'd guess that I've installed several hundred pairs. I find them easy to install, and at least as reliable as almost any other plug-gable connectors I've used. I don't crimp them, I solder them. On Sun,7/3/2016 3:42 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: > I believe these are what you are thinking of: > > http://www.neutrik.com/en/audio/powercon/ Neutrik is a great company based in EU. Mostly they make connectors for Pro Audio, and their connectors are generally best of the product type. These connectors are their own invention, designed for use with high power loudspeakers in big concert sound systems. They are MUCH larger than the small red/black Power Pole connectors used in ham radio (about twice the diameter of a PL-259). The usefulness of plug-gable connectors is STRONGLY dependent on their footprint on the panel of the equipment on which they are used. All of Elecraft's radios would need to be a lot larger if they used connectors of this size. Some hams like big radios on their desktop. I sure don't -- one of things I love about my Elecraft rigs is their compact size, light weight, and small footprint. Likewise, solid screw contacts can provide more positive cantact, as W4TV suggests. But I sure wouldn't like to have to drag out a screwdriver to plug and unplug my rigs, with all the wiring difficult to access behind my operating desk! 73, Jim K9YC From lists at subich.com Sun Jul 3 20:55:12 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:55:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Powerpoles (again) In-Reply-To: <8bf367cc-103e-f623-aff9-e681647c2cf8@foothill.net> References: <201607032239.u63MdWrB002511@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> <8bf367cc-103e-f623-aff9-e681647c2cf8@foothill.net> Message-ID: On 7/3/2016 7:38 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I'm sort of with Joe for higher current stuff ... terminals and > screws. No screws ... bolt studs and *nuts* - like the terminals on the Astron RS35A/RS50A/RS70A, etc. I want connections that support a properly sized ring terminal that can be tightened with a wrench or nut driver to provide a resistance in the range of 0.01 Ohm and will not degrade over time (particularly if the ring is treated with a light layer of conductive/anti-oxidation grease). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/3/2016 7:38 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I always used Molex connectors, they seem to work well. I switched to > APP's when it seemed everyone was, I have the WMR crimper and haven't > had any problems but then, I don't move my radio around much. I'm sort > of with Joe for higher current stuff ... terminals and screws. > > I know -- KID: "But Mom, EVERYONE is doing it!" MOM: "If everyone was > jumping off a cliff, would you?" I don't have a better reason. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 7/3/2016 3:39 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> I only have power-pole's on my K3/10 and KXPA-100. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lmarion at mt.net Sun Jul 3 21:21:51 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:21:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just bought K3S in last 30 days. So new I don't know how to use all features. K2 100, transverters, KX3, PX3, KPA100, KX1, K1,all in boxes and cases now. Just my KX2 is still is in use because I have not figured out how to carry the K3S around. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Reuben Popp Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:44 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 3 22:09:17 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:09:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The K3S is a top of the line, world class radio. If you can afford it, it will not disappoint you, even if you only use if for listening. If you want a cheaper, simpler radio, the Elecraft KX3 rates nearly as high as the K3S on receive[1] for less money and complexity. It is much more portable, although the K3S isn't bad, being the choice of many DXpedition. It is harder to do some things with the KX3, like change between digital and SSB, but it supports the important features. The K3S also has some features, like two receivers, that the KX3 does not have. The new KX2 has not yet been tested by Sherwood as far as I know. I would expect it to test out similarly to the KX3. It should also be on your short list. [1] 73 Bill AE6JV --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Jul 3 22:20:52 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 22:20:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5779C804.13278.ADC0C90@Gary.ka1j.com> I have to say that I have been totally satisfied with my two AOC monitors, don't recall the model but the one was for my computer and it cost around 110 shipped. It's a 12V monitor and has its own quiet switching supply like a laptop uses. Incredibly low power requirement and it's great to look at. Then B&H had a sale and I bought its bigger brother, the 27" E2752S for around $120. It too is ultra low power draw, has an internal power supply, its been on all day and is cool to the touch. I use the smaller 23" for the P3 and the larger for the computer. I just felt all around both of them and there is no warm spots at all. Couldn't suggest a better monitor, these are perfect; Great picture detail & color, not RFI inducing and far cheaper than any of the big brands. 73, Gary KA1J > Subject says it all. Looking for a clear recommendation for > > a decent monitor that will last. Also what is too small and > > what is too big and so a waste of room? > > > One side of me tells me anything that will display text well > > will display the P3 signal but another side tells me "Don't > > assume !!). > > > Please respond in private if you'd like. > > > Thank you. > > > Doug W5JV > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From km6cq at km6cq.com Sun Jul 3 22:22:43 2016 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:22:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 Message-ID: I would like to be able to get rid of the AA cell holders inside the KX3, and go with a battery pack similar to the KX2. LiFePO4 would be a nice choice in a battery. For instance, I am very happy with Bioennopower products, www.bioennopower.com Something similer would be very nice. Wayne could write the firmware for different battery types to accommodate charging inside the rig. Then Elecraft could sell us some new parts to make the mod. I think there are more than a few of us that would appreciate not having to take AA?s out of the rig. And the added benefits of LiFePO4 are great. Thanks, Dan KM6CQ From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Jul 4 01:46:30 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 00:46:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reuben, I think Rob Sherwood answers this question best with his receiver ratings. Google Sherwood labs. Dick, n0ce On 7/3/2016 4:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! > > I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some > time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because > every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. > > I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement in QST > some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my > ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to listen > in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along > the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... that > is until now. > > In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents and > purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than what the > 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, doubly so > as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, > hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in the way > for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. > There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. > > Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate > future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously > wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come > please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide > here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm willing > to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, so I > had best make it count. > > Thanks in advance to all and 73 > Reuben > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com From juhakasari at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 04:51:56 2016 From: juhakasari at gmail.com (Juha - oh6os) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 01:51:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 dead Message-ID: <1467622316393-7619604.post@n2.nabble.com> Help! I was using K3 as monitor when I measure signal path on my Drake R4C. Now K3 don't receive. Antenna tuner works, but without tuner big SWR. I think there was high voltage (abt 140V) on ANT2. What is the first place I must check? K3, KPA3 100W, KAT3 ATU, KBPF3... juha - oh6os -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-dead-tp7619604.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Jul 4 05:27:58 2016 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 02:27:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1467624478027-7619605.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Doug, The problem with recommending a model number is that within a year of purchasing a monitor it is usually superceded by a different model. I do have some suggestions that you might not have considered. Consider getting a monitor that can also serve as a second monitor for your PC. Most monitors today have multiple inputs. A few years ago that would have been SVGA and DVI. Later it became SVGA and HDMI. Now you might also find SVGA, DVI, and HDMI. But that's not the whole story. You want to make sure that you can change the monitor with a push-button at the bottom of the monitor. Some monitors require that you go into the monitor program settings. That would be much less convenient. When I'm using the P3 I'll push the monitor button to go into SVGA. When the P3 is off the monitor automatically switches back to the DVI input thus acting as a secondary monitor output from my PC. Typical 22" monitors can display the 1440 x 900 from the P3 quite nicely. Of my ASUS and ViewSonic low-cost monitors I prefer the ViewSonic. The colors are more realistic. The ASUS adjustments don't seem capable of getting the softer colors I'm interested in. My ViewSonic model number is VA2265smh. The ASUS is model number VS228H-P. With two large monitors on a desk it's also worth considering adjustable monitor support arms. They let you situate the monitors for best viewing heights and angles without taking up valuable desk surface for your equipment. 73, Mike K2MK Doug Hensley wrote > Subject says it all. Looking for a clear recommendation for > > a decent monitor that will last. Also what is too small and > > what is too big and so a waste of room? > > One side of me tells me anything that will display text well > > will display the P3 signal but another side tells me "Don't > > assume !!). > > Please respond in private if you'd like. > > Thank you. > > Doug W5JV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Please-recommend-an-HD-monitor-to-use-with-P3SVGA-tp7619579p7619605.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tim at sy-edm.com Mon Jul 4 06:33:29 2016 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 14:33:29 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reuben, If you do not need Tx - why not just go for a high end SDR Rx. Lots of really good products out there at the moment - and being SDR easy to upgrade with software etc. You will need to budget for a decent computer and maybe an external sound card - but also an option to consider IMHO. You are not really going to get an un-biased opinion asking a question like that here? nor would you on the Icom forums regards Tim A45WG > On 4 Jul 2016, at 09:46, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > Reuben, > I think Rob Sherwood answers this question best with his receiver ratings. Google Sherwood labs. > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/3/2016 4:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! >> >> I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some >> time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because >> every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. >> >> I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement in QST >> some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my >> ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to listen >> in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along >> the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... that >> is until now. >> >> In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents and >> purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than what the >> 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, doubly so >> as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, >> hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in the way >> for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. >> There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. >> >> Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate >> future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously >> wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come >> please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide >> here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm willing >> to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, so I >> had best make it count. >> >> Thanks in advance to all and 73 >> Reuben >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From dpbunte at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 07:51:52 2016 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 07:51:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA In-Reply-To: <1467624478027-7619605.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467624478027-7619605.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I realize this is off the topic of which monitor to get, but multiple monitors do take up more space. The idea of mounting a monitor, or monitors on arms does address the issue of desk space, but I decided against that due to the cost issue, and those arms still need to be mounted on something. My solution was VERY much less expensive. I made sure my monitors were VESA mount capable. I then mounted them to the wall directly in front of me. Yes, I put about three holes in the wall to mount an angle bracket to the wall. I then screwed another angled bracket to the back of each monitor and they then 'hang' on the bracket that I attached to the wall. The result is that the monitors are at the exact same height, and mine are pushed together so they touch. I know that no solution is perfect for every person or situation, but many people who have seen pictures of my shack have asked how I got two monitors to stay so perfectly aligned in relation to each other, and still have room on my small desk for my K3, KPA500, P3 etc. 73 de Dave K9FN On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Doug, > > The problem with recommending a model number is that within a year of > purchasing a monitor it is usually superceded by a different model. I do > have some suggestions that you might not have considered. > > Consider getting a monitor that can also serve as a second monitor for your > PC. Most monitors today have multiple inputs. A few years ago that would > have been SVGA and DVI. Later it became SVGA and HDMI. Now you might also > find SVGA, DVI, and HDMI. But that's not the whole story. You want to make > sure that you can change the monitor with a push-button at the bottom of > the > monitor. Some monitors require that you go into the monitor program > settings. That would be much less convenient. > > When I'm using the P3 I'll push the monitor button to go into SVGA. When > the > P3 is off the monitor automatically switches back to the DVI input thus > acting as a secondary monitor output from my PC. > > Typical 22" monitors can display the 1440 x 900 from the P3 quite nicely. > Of > my ASUS and ViewSonic low-cost monitors I prefer the ViewSonic. The colors > are more realistic. The ASUS adjustments don't seem capable of getting the > softer colors I'm interested in. My ViewSonic model number is VA2265smh. > The > ASUS is model number VS228H-P. > > With two large monitors on a desk it's also worth considering adjustable > monitor support arms. They let you situate the monitors for best viewing > heights and angles without taking up valuable desk surface for your > equipment. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > > Doug Hensley wrote > > Subject says it all. Looking for a clear recommendation for > > > > a decent monitor that will last. Also what is too small and > > > > what is too big and so a waste of room? > > > > One side of me tells me anything that will display text well > > > > will display the P3 signal but another side tells me "Don't > > > > assume !!). > > > > Please respond in private if you'd like. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Doug W5JV > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Please-recommend-an-HD-monitor-to-use-with-P3SVGA-tp7619579p7619605.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From W4RM at AOL.COM Mon Jul 4 08:25:13 2016 From: W4RM at AOL.COM (Bill OMara) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:25:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s Message-ID: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> I sent this message this before the Dayton Hamfest and with all the traffic on the New KX2 and the KPod I didn't receive but two replies, so I'm going to try again to see if I can't determine the best path forward. I'm leaning away from the P3 and more towards a SDR or LP Pan approach. Thanks for your ideas and help 73 Bill W4RM I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. I would like to find a standard solution at a reasonable price (Per Station) for all stations. I just want to hear some ideas so I don't go down the wrong road X 4. Thanks for your input in advance. 73 Bill W4RM From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 4 09:59:03 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 06:59:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5fc44a9a-d1bd-fb68-af0b-e3eb2d23af78@triconet.org> Even Rob will tell you that one number does not a radio make. Personally, for the most bang for the buck, I would be looking at one of the many non-S K3s that guys like me who have upgraded to a K3S are now offering for sale. I'm allowing mine to gather dust on the floor, because I've found from experience that it is best to have a spare, but others are out there. Performance wise, unless you put them side-by-side, on the same antenna, (something I haven't bother to do) or work six-meters, you probably wouldn't know the difference. Wes N7WS On 7/3/2016 10:46 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Reuben, > I think Rob Sherwood answers this question best with his receiver ratings. > Google Sherwood labs. > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/3/2016 4:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! >> >> I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some >> time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because >> every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. >> >> I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement in QST >> some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my >> ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to listen >> in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along >> the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... that >> is until now. >> >> In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents and >> purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than what the >> 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, doubly so >> as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, >> hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in the way >> for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. >> There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. >> >> Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate >> future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously >> wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come >> please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide >> here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm willing >> to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, so I >> had best make it count. >> >> Thanks in advance to all and 73 >> Reuben >> ______________________________________________________________ From dmoes at nexicom.net Mon Jul 4 10:29:44 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:29:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: <5fc44a9a-d1bd-fb68-af0b-e3eb2d23af78@triconet.org> References: <5fc44a9a-d1bd-fb68-af0b-e3eb2d23af78@triconet.org> Message-ID: <20160704142944.6701140.79443.30356@nexicom.net> ?To put it simply. Ive had a K3 for many years. ? And have kept up to date with what is available. ?Looked at Flex. Icom Hilberling. Etc ? The only Rig I would consider trading my K3 for would be ?a K3s. ?? ? Original Message ? From: Wes Stewart Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 9:59 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S Even Rob will tell you that one number does not a radio make. Personally, for the most bang for the buck, I would be looking at one of the many non-S K3s that guys like me who have upgraded to a K3S are now offering for sale. I'm allowing mine to gather dust on the floor, because I've found from experience that it is best to have a spare, but others are out there. Performance wise, unless you put them side-by-side, on the same antenna, (something I haven't bother to do) or work six-meters, you probably wouldn't know the difference. Wes N7WS On 7/3/2016 10:46 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Reuben, > I think Rob Sherwood answers this question best with his receiver ratings. > Google Sherwood labs. > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/3/2016 4:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! >> >> I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some >> time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because >> every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. >> >> I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement in QST >> some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my >> ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to listen >> in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along >> the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... that >> is until now. >> >> In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents and >> purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than what the >> 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, doubly so >> as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, >> hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in the way >> for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. >> There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. >> >> Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate >> future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously >> wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come >> please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide >> here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm willing >> to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, so I >> had best make it count. >> >> Thanks in advance to all and 73 >> Reuben >> ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From kstover at ac0h.net Mon Jul 4 10:37:21 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 09:37:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> Message-ID: <6cfec47e-7521-eb66-728c-8005d24e65de@ac0h.net> I would go the LP-Pan2 or good SDR route simply from a cost perspective. Price a P3+SVGA+Dedicated monitor x 4 vs. LP-Pan/SDR route. LP-Pan runs on the computer I assume you've already got for logging. If you want you can upgrade the sound system relatively inexpensively to an outboard USB solution like ASUS Xonar U7 or the Steinberg UR22 for more bandwidth, 192KHz. NaP3 is free, Win4K3 Suite is not but it's the Swiss Army knife of K3(s)/KX3 management software. On 7/4/2016 7:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > I sent this message this before the Dayton Hamfest and with all the traffic > on the New KX2 and the KPod I didn't receive but two replies, so I'm going > to try again to see if I can't determine the best path forward. > > > > I'm leaning away from the P3 and more towards a SDR or LP Pan approach. > > > > Thanks for your ideas and help > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > > > I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add > panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. > > > > I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 > SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. > > > > I would like to find a standard solution at a reasonable price (Per Station) > for all stations. > > > > I just want to hear some ideas so I don't go down the wrong road X 4. > > > > Thanks for your input in advance. > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 4 11:27:31 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:27:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> Message-ID: <496ac515-4c5c-02a0-3962-98e126efbc65@embarqmail.com> Bill, The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add > panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. > > I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 > SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. > From jstengrevics at comcast.net Mon Jul 4 11:31:20 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:31:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: <496ac515-4c5c-02a0-3962-98e126efbc65@embarqmail.com> References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> <496ac515-4c5c-02a0-3962-98e126efbc65@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? John WA1EAZ Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bill, > > The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). > > Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. > > So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. > > If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add >> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >> >> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 >> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 4 11:46:51 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> <496ac515-4c5c-02a0-3962-98e126efbc65@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: John, NaP3 can play through the computer speakers to act as a 2nd receiver (but there will be latency dependent on the computer). That is where the NaP3 NB is useful. I do not understand that a NB function would be valuable on the spectrum display. I want to see the noise sources that may interfere with my reception just the same as I want to see the signals on the band. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/4/2016 11:31 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: > Don, > > LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? > > John > WA1EAZ > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). >> >> Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. >> >> So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. >> >> If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >>> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add >>> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >>> >>> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 >>> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net > From jstengrevics at comcast.net Mon Jul 4 11:57:32 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:57:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> <496ac515-4c5c-02a0-3962-98e126efbc65@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, I was looking at the LP-PAN YouTube video where they demonstrated noise reduction that made weak dx signals audible on the K3S where they were not audible without the LP-PAN. Is this really the case? John WA1EAZ Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > John, > > NaP3 can play through the computer speakers to act as a 2nd receiver (but there will be latency dependent on the computer). That is where the NaP3 NB is useful. > > I do not understand that a NB function would be valuable on the spectrum display. I want to see the noise sources that may interfere with my reception just the same as I want to see the signals on the band. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/4/2016 11:31 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: >> Don, >> >> LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? >> >> John >> WA1EAZ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option (and perhaps the TXMON option). >>> >>> Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but requires getting the applications working right on the computer. >>> >>> So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to play together. >>> >>> If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will be similar. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >>>> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way to add >>>> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >>>> >>>> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 and NaP3 >>>> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net >> > From n4uw at chartertn.net Mon Jul 4 12:03:44 2016 From: n4uw at chartertn.net (Luther Phillips) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:03:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s Message-ID: Bill, if you do CW contesting, then you will want to add CW Skimmer to the software lineup as well. I use the following setup for CW contesting: K3s IF out to LP-Pan LP-Pan I/Q out to Asus U5 USB card U5 USB to PC; use MME audio driver, which allows feeding the audio to multiple programs Software setup: LP-Bridge connects to K3s serial port & provides multiple virtual serial ports NaP3 for wide-band view, connects to U5 audio & K3s via LP-Bridge CW Skimmer, connects to U5 audio & K3s via LP-Bridge Either WriteLog or N1MM+ for logging, connects to K3s via LP-Bridge Set CW Skimmer to send spots to Telenet/localhost Connect logging software spots/band map to localhost This provides point & click capability for your logging program, and the main advantage is that no spots appear on the bandmap unless you are actually hearing them. If you don't do CW tests, then there is no need for CW Skimmer. I'm sure you're already aware of NaP3's ability to show spots on the pan display from any spot server you connect to. This is another big advantage for contesting over using a P3. Of course, the logging software can show spots on its band map as well. The PC configuration is also something you will need to consider. From my experience, the minimum desktop-type computer needed to run all the above software is a Intel Core-2 Duo with 4 GB ram. Intel i3 thu i7's will run at lower CPU loads, and if you are using laptops, i3's with at least 4GB ram are probably the minimum. I have been eyeing the small fanless "brick" mini-PC's that are available from several vendors as something that could be used as a shack/contesting PC. They are made using laptop boards, and utilize the aluminum case as a heatsink. A complete i5 can be had with 4 GB ram and a small SSD drive for about $300, but do not include a Windows license. Another option that I don't have any experience with, but would be cheaper to implement, would be to use the SDR-Play SDR receiver to look at the IF output from the K3s. I do not know if the SDR-Play can be used in conjunction with NaP3, CW Skimmer, or contest loggers. You might check around on some of the Kenwood TS-590 info pages or forums, as the SDR-Play seems to be a popular method of providing a panadapter for the TS-590. Hope this is of some help. 73, Luther N4UW From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 4 12:39:02 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 09:39:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA In-Reply-To: <1467624478027-7619605.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467624478027-7619605.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <35eef912-765e-ad22-c365-2bf36313189d@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/4/2016 2:27 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > The problem with recommending a model number is that within a year of > purchasing a monitor it is usually superceded by a different model. Yes. A year or two ago, I discovered a 24-in Samsung at Costco that runs from a nominal 14VDC wall wart. It's an SMPS and noisy, but because it's 14VDC, it's easy to replace with a 12VDC linear wall wart or run from your shack 12-14VDC power supply. To figure out what power the monitor requires, study their spec sheet carefully and also blown-up photos of the rear panel (you may need to get to the mfr website). > With two large monitors on a desk it's also worth considering adjustable > monitor support arms. They let you situate the monitors for best viewing > heights and angles without taking up valuable desk surface for your > equipment. More great advice. I've found mounts like this at amazon. A double-arm mount that clamps onto a horizontal surface and places monitors side-by-side cost me about $70; another that places one above the other about the same price. And there's a company called "monoprice" that sells a single arm for about $50. The tricky part about using these mounts is that they are designed to be used with a monitor that accepts a VESA mounting plate. Not all monitors have that (four screw threads at a certain spacing), but there's also a "garage" operation that makes mounts that retrofit some models of Samsung monitors. All found on the internet. Another issue in choosing a monitor is RFI, which can be from the SMPS wall wart, AND from the monitor itself. W4UAT gave me a different Samsung model that had touch controls that had awful RFI problems -- his TX made the monitor go huts, and it put out lots of RF noise that I could not kill. The Samsung monitors I bought are not completely clean, but can be made clean enough that I can't hear them in my antennas by choking their video and power cables. 73, Jim K9YC From felsummers at comcast.net Mon Jul 4 13:32:52 2016 From: felsummers at comcast.net (Gene N4FZ) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:32:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S USB to Key Transceiver In-Reply-To: <1464739666734-7618303.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1464739666734-7618303.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1467653572139-7619618.post@n2.nabble.com> With HRD, I have set the k3's PTT KEY to RTS-DTR. With N1MM, I set the K3 to RTS-DTR as well, and in the program, I set DTR to CW, and RTS to PTT. Hope this helps. Gene N4FZ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-K3S-USB-to-Key-Transceiver-tp7618303p7619618.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 4 13:36:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:36:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> <496ac515-4c5c-02a0-3962-98e126efbc65@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <02dc4534-1315-3610-e008-81a4ca72a2a5@embarqmail.com> LP-Pan and NaP3 cannot change the audio output of the K3. The audio output that can be changed is only the audio from the computer. The K3 has NR and NB capabilities that can do the same thing for the K3 audio output, just choose the most effective parameters of the K3 NR and NB for the task at hand. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/4/2016 11:57 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: > Don, > > I was looking at the LP-PAN YouTube video where they demonstrated noise reduction that made weak dx signals audible on the K3S where they were not audible without the LP-PAN. Is this really the case? > From k4aen at me.com Mon Jul 4 15:19:15 2016 From: k4aen at me.com (Tom Morehouse) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 15:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Message-ID: Received my KPOD on Thursday, but just hooked it up today. First item: you must have beta firmware 5.50 installed for it to work. item two: manual states that you must have K3 Utility Program rev 1.16.3.11 to store macros 9-16. I couldn?t find any utility later than 1.15.6.27. Must be coming soon 73 and happy Fourth! Tom K4AEN From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Jul 4 16:40:24 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 20:40:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] HD Monitor for P3 SBGA Message-ID: <9CC3AD7A-716A-4554-8C1D-775063007D9B@law.du.edu> Another possibility is an SVGA switch. Many are available at $15 or so, some of them attractive enough for the desktop. I use a single Dell 19?, using a SVGA cable to the DB15 on the switch box, one input from the SVGA output of the P3 and the other through an Apple cable from the thunderbolt output of the computer. (I assume on a PC you could use a USB-to-SVGA converter.) I was unable to find a monitor I liked that had built-in front-panel switching. The switch box works beautifully, and doesn?t result in pushing the monitor around when the input is switched. It does add one more cable to the collection. But in my station, one more isn?t even a rounding digit. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 02:27:58 -0700 (MST) From: Mike K2MK To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please recommend an HD monitor to use with P3SVGA Message-ID: <1467624478027-7619605.post at n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Doug, ? * * Consider getting a monitor that can also serve as a second monitor for your PC. Most monitors today have multiple inputs. A few years ago that would have been SVGA and DVI. Later it became SVGA and HDMI. Now you might also find SVGA, DVI, and HDMI. But that's not the whole story. You want to make sure that you can change the monitor with a push-button at the bottom of the monitor. Some monitors require that you go into the monitor program settings. That would be much less convenient. * * * 73, Mike K2MK From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Jul 4 17:37:17 2016 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 14:37:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone Message-ID: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103. David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From glcazzola at alice.it Mon Jul 4 17:43:07 2016 From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 23:43:07 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> Message-ID: <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> The Neumann are the top of studio microphones, the best of the best. Used also on radio diffusions. It seem to me too much for an ham radio station. But if you can buy it, it is sure a greatest microphone! Ian IK4EWX Invio?eseguito?dallo?smartphone?BlackBerry?10. ? Messaggio originale ? Da: David Ahrendts Inviato: luned? 4 luglio 2016 23:38 A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Oggetto: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103. David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to glcazzola at alice.it From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 4 19:08:32 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:08:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> Message-ID: <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/4/2016 2:43 PM, glcazzola at alice.it wrote: > It seem to me too much for an ham radio station. Wretched excess. Comes under the heading of a fool and his money are easily separated. :) I own about a dozen Neumann mics that I use for recording. I use a Yamaha CM500 in my ham station. 73, Jim K9YC From n1al at sonic.net Mon Jul 4 19:23:38 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:23:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> <496ac515-4c5c-02a0-3962-98e126efbc65@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <577AEFFA.40600@sonic.net> The P3 does have a noise blanker, which works well on impulse-type noise. It allows you to see more-or-less the same signals that the K3 sees when its own noise blanker is turned on. Alan N1AL On 07/04/2016 08:46 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > NaP3 can play through the computer speakers to act as a 2nd receiver > (but there will be latency dependent on the computer). That is where the > NaP3 NB is useful. > > I do not understand that a NB function would be valuable on the spectrum > display. I want to see the noise sources that may interfere with my > reception just the same as I want to see the signals on the band. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/4/2016 11:31 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: >> Don, >> >> LP-PAN advertises noise reduction. Does the P3 do similar? >> >> John >> WA1EAZ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> The least frustration route is to use the P3 with the SVGA option >>> (and perhaps the TXMON option). >>> >>> Certainly the LP-Pan/NaP3 or Win4K3 route will be less expensive, but >>> requires getting the applications working right on the computer. >>> >>> So the tradeoff is between using the hardware solution of the P3 vs. >>> using LP-Pan/NaP3 which involves computer setup of the soundcard and >>> all the attendant frustration that comes with getting everything to >>> play together. >>> >>> If I had a MM station, I would go for the P3, but if you have enough >>> patience to work with the LP-Pan?NaP3 solution, the end result will >>> be similar. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 7/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >>>> I'm looking for some input on the best and most cost effective way >>>> to add >>>> panadapters to my MM contest station with four K3's. >>>> >>>> I currently have one of the four station outfitted with a LP PAN2 >>>> and NaP3 >>>> SW and it works fine with the internal sound card with 48Khz bandwidth. >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net From dmoes at nexicom.net Mon Jul 4 20:31:52 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:31:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone Message-ID: <577afff8.2e4b.e8b1c940.56808ead@nexicom.net> Never understood why one would spend so much on a mic. even AM or ESSB a mic like that Neumann TLM 103 mic is way overkill its sort like drinking a Dom Perignon with a Big Mac. any reasonable sounding mic will have better audio than the best sounding SSB transmitter will need. David Moes VE3SD > --- Original message --- > Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone > From: David Ahrendts > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Date: Monday, 04/07/2016 5:37 PM > > I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the > Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103. > > David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 20:53:36 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 18:53:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone Message-ID: In the same category as gold-plated speaker wire. (;-0) Kudos to Elecraft for limiting TX audio to 4 KHZ, regardless of filter selection. ESSB is an abomination on the amateur bands! 73! K0PP On Jul 4, 2016 5:09 PM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > On Mon,7/4/2016 2:43 PM, glcazzola at alice.it wrote: > >> It seem to me too much for an ham radio station. >> > > Wretched excess. Comes under the heading of a fool and his money are > easily separated. :) I own about a dozen Neumann mics that I use for > recording. I use a Yamaha CM500 in my ham station. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 21:04:32 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:04:32 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <577b07bd.ca28620a.93792.18b3@mx.google.com> Ken, Exactly. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Ken G Kopp" Sent: ?5/?07/?2016 10:54 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In the same category as gold-plated speaker wire. (;-0) Kudos to Elecraft for limiting TX audio to 4 KHZ, regardless of filter selection. ESSB is an abomination on the amateur bands! 73! K0PP On Jul 4, 2016 5:09 PM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > On Mon,7/4/2016 2:43 PM, glcazzola at alice.it wrote: > >> It seem to me too much for an ham radio station. >> > > Wretched excess. Comes under the heading of a fool and his money are > easily separated. :) I own about a dozen Neumann mics that I use for > recording. I use a Yamaha CM500 in my ham station. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From riese-k3djc at juno.com Mon Jul 4 21:06:34 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 21:06:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone Message-ID: Not good to use at all,,, way too broad for crowded bands , Bob K3DJC On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 18:53:36 -0600 Ken G Kopp writes: > In the same category as gold-plated speaker wire. (;-0) > > Kudos to Elecraft for limiting TX audio to 4 KHZ, regardless of > filter > selection. > > ESSB is an abomination on the amateur bands! > > 73! > > > K0PP From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 21:34:07 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:34:07 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <577b0eab.8844620a.6d06c.1cdd@mx.google.com> Some ops like bassy audio, it is really tough to understand the audio due to my damaged hearing so I don't call, added to ESSB further exacerbates the problem I have. I have ESSB with a 2.8Khz bw and set for a "punchy" audio for when condx are tough, normally I use settings suggested by Jim K9YC and get unsolicited good audio reports. With over 21,000 qso's in the log, I am happy with the settings. Mic's used are cm500 Yamaha headset and occasionally the MH2 from Elecraft. Anyone got an old, but working, Turner Plus 3 they have no use for?... Got a Nevada postal address for shipping Gary -----Original Message----- From: "riese-k3djc at juno.com" Sent: ?5/?07/?2016 11:12 AM To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone Not good to use at all,,, way too broad for crowded bands , Bob K3DJC On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 18:53:36 -0600 Ken G Kopp writes: > In the same category as gold-plated speaker wire. (;-0) > > Kudos to Elecraft for limiting TX audio to 4 KHZ, regardless of > filter > selection. > > ESSB is an abomination on the amateur bands! > > 73! > > > K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From dmoes at nexicom.net Mon Jul 4 22:00:49 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 22:00:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone Message-ID: <577b14d1.2e4b.e8c18940.34057f88@nexicom.net> No No not K3 = Big Mac its SSB and even AM audio in general = Big Mac David Moes VE3SD > --- Original message --- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone > From: "Dr. William J. Schmidt, II" > To: > Date: Monday, 04/07/2016 9:11 PM > > > > I like your analogy. K3 = Big Mac. > > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ > PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > Staunton, Illinois > > Owner ? Operator > Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > > On Jul 4, 2016, at 7:31 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote: > >> >> >> >> Never understood why one would spend so much on a mic. even AM or >> ESSB a mic like that Neumann TLM 103 mic is way overkill its >> sort like drinking a Dom Perignon with a Big Mac. any reasonable >> sounding mic will have better audio than the best sounding SSB >> transmitter will need. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> David Moes >> VE3SD >> >> >> >>> >>> --- Original message --- >>> >>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone >>> >>> From: David Ahrendts >>> >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> Date: Monday, 04/07/2016 5:37 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the >>> Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103. >>> >>> >>> >>> David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 22:22:30 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 22:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, find me a "crowded" band anytime other than during incessant contacts, and I'd agree. 40 in the afternoon, or most bands most any time are not crowded, except during the occasional appearance of a sort of rare one ... which is rare. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > > Not good to use at all,,, way too broad for > crowded bands > > , From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 5 00:15:52 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 21:15:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <577b0eab.8844620a.6d06c.1cdd@mx.google.com> References: <577b0eab.8844620a.6d06c.1cdd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Folks, lets end this thread in the interest of relieving email overload for others. 73, Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ On 7/4/2016 6:34 PM, Gary wrote: > Some ops like bassy audio, it is really tough to understand the audio due to my damaged hearing so I don't call, added to ESSB further exacerbates the problem I have. From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 5 00:16:37 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 21:16:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <389bfe6c-9131-ee43-f8ce-3b55979fbbce@elecraft.com> Hopefully tomorrow! 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/4/2016 12:19 PM, Tom Morehouse wrote: > Received my KPOD on Thursday, but just hooked it up today. First item: you must have beta firmware 5.50 installed for it to work. item two: manual states that you must have K3 Utility Program rev 1.16.3.11 to store macros 9-16. I couldn?t find any utility later than 1.15.6.27. Must be coming soon > > 73 and happy Fourth! > > Tom K4AEN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Tue Jul 5 01:05:59 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 05:05:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 shipping? Message-ID: The website says June 28th, but I haven't heard anything on my order. No rush, just curious. Bruce From W4RM at AOL.COM Tue Jul 5 06:19:54 2016 From: W4RM at AOL.COM (Bill OMara) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 06:19:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters Summary of comments Message-ID: <011a01d1d6a6$c636a440$52a3ecc0$@AOL.COM> Thanks everyone foe all the comments and suggestion. I was surprised to see the limited comments toward the SDRs like; Funcube PRO Plus, SDR Play, Softrock and others and more comments toward the LP-Pan2 than expected with a good sound card of course. After some more research I'll pick a path and get started on my upgrades. 73 Bill W4RM Panadapter Re-cap of provided comments * The P3 is turnkey, plug and play as they say costs more, plug in an use today * Softrock based panadapter has worked great here on my K3 for many years. * LPPAN for several years with no problems. I was using NaP3, but with the uncertain future of its support, I have switched over to Win4K3. Configuration for the K3 and LPPAN is a bit simpler than with NaP3. * The LP-Pan2 or good SDR route simply from a cost perspective, If you want you can upgrade the sound system relatively inexpensively to an outboard USB solution like ASUS Xonar U7 or the Steinberg UR22 for more bandwidth, 192KHz * The LP-Pan - struggled with it for year then realized my sound card was junk, $80 for U5 card after getting said card, wanted another for RTTY!! * Software setup: LP-Bridge connects to K3s serial port & provides multiple virtual serial ports NaP3 for wide-band view, connects to U5 audio & K3s via LP-Bridge CW Skimmer, connects to U5 audio & K3s via LP-Bridge Either WriteLog or N1MM+ for logging, connects to K3s via LP-Bridge Set CW Skimmer to send spots to Telenet/localhost Connect logging software spots/band map to localhost This provides point & click capability for your logging program, and the main advantage is that no spots appear on the bandmap unless you are actually hearing them. * You should check out Win4K3Suite. It is the only software panadapter that offers true QSY's regardless of mode, bandwidth shift etc. Unlike the LPBridge software, Win4K3 operates trouble free. o Here's a link to the video. o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU o It supports the P3/SVGA with a video capture board ($$$), LPPAN with a sound card($$) and SDRPlay ($). * I use 2 k3's and a kx3 all with an lp pan, a softrock (equivalent to lp pan with a bit of work) and direct I/Q from the kx3. I use cwskimmer for cw and rtty contests. I use a 20 inch monitor in portrait orientation to show about 22 khz of spectrum. Using synergy which allows sharing the keyboard and mouse I can get to the second PC running the kx3 pretty seamlessly. o This is for so3r. I am limited to 2 cwskimmers per PC due to its limitation. From dl1sdz at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 06:30:53 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:30:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters Summary of comments In-Reply-To: <011a01d1d6a6$c636a440$52a3ecc0$@AOL.COM> References: <011a01d1d6a6$c636a440$52a3ecc0$@AOL.COM> Message-ID: Hi Bill, > I am limited to 2 cwskimmers per PC due to its limitation I have been running a Red Pitaya with the Software of Pavel Demin into the Cw- Skimmer Server on 6 bands of my choice without any problem. The Skimmer Server needs about 10-15% processor time. 73 de Hajo DL1SDZ --- Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il fault cultiver notre jardin. Am 05.07.2016 12:20 schrieb "Bill OMara via Elecraft" < elecraft at mailman.qth.net>: > Thanks everyone foe all the comments and suggestion. I was surprised to > see > the limited comments toward the SDRs like; Funcube PRO Plus, SDR Play, > Softrock and others and more comments toward the LP-Pan2 than expected with > a good sound card of course. After some more research I'll pick a path and > get started on my upgrades. > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > > > Panadapter Re-cap of provided comments > > > > * The P3 is turnkey, plug and play as they say costs more, plug in > an use today > > > > * Softrock based panadapter has worked great here on my K3 for > many > years. > > > > * LPPAN for several years with no problems. I was using NaP3, but > with the uncertain future of its support, I have switched over to Win4K3. > Configuration for the K3 and LPPAN is a bit simpler than with NaP3. > > > > * The LP-Pan2 or good SDR route simply from a cost perspective, If > you want you can upgrade the sound system relatively inexpensively to an > outboard USB solution like ASUS Xonar U7 or the Steinberg UR22 for more > bandwidth, 192KHz > > > > * The LP-Pan - struggled with it for year then realized my sound > card was junk, $80 for U5 card after getting said card, wanted another for > RTTY!! > > > > * Software setup: > > LP-Bridge connects to K3s serial port & provides multiple virtual serial > ports > > NaP3 for wide-band view, connects to U5 audio & K3s via LP-Bridge CW > Skimmer, connects to U5 audio & K3s via LP-Bridge Either WriteLog or N1MM+ > for logging, connects to K3s via LP-Bridge Set CW Skimmer to send spots to > Telenet/localhost Connect logging software spots/band map to localhost > > This provides point & click capability for your logging program, and the > main advantage is that no spots appear on the bandmap unless you are > actually hearing them. > > > > * You should check out Win4K3Suite. It is the only software > panadapter that offers true QSY's regardless of mode, bandwidth shift etc. > Unlike the LPBridge software, Win4K3 operates trouble free. > > o Here's a link to the video. > > o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU > > o It supports the P3/SVGA with a video capture board ($$$), LPPAN with a > sound card($$) and SDRPlay ($). > > > > * I use 2 k3's and a kx3 all with an lp pan, a softrock (equivalent > to lp pan with a bit of work) and direct I/Q from the kx3. I use cwskimmer > for cw and rtty contests. I use a 20 inch monitor in portrait orientation > to show about 22 khz of spectrum. Using synergy which allows sharing the > keyboard and mouse I can get to the second PC running the kx3 pretty > seamlessly. > > o This is for so3r. I am limited to 2 cwskimmers per PC due to its > limitation. > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com > From turnbull at net1.ie Tue Jul 5 06:57:50 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:57:50 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod arrives in EI within 4 days In-Reply-To: <5779C804.13278.ADC0C90@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5779C804.13278.ADC0C90@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Dear OMs and YLs, Oh happy days. My K-Pod arrived this morning not bad for a trip across the USA and Atlantic in four days. I was blessed in that no VAT (23% plus additional costs) was taken this time. Life is good, thank you Elecraft. I have desired this Pod since first purchasing a K3 many years ago. After a while acceptance that there was never going to be a Pod sank in and then this year Elecraft came through. There are other solutions but this is neat and small. The memories for CW and Voice can now be easily accessed without the finger hovering over M1 or M2. This was a pretty uncomfortable position. It will even be possible to kick back in the easy chair and tune the radio. You guys are good. 73 Doug EI2CN From k9jri at mac.com Tue Jul 5 08:54:06 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 12:54:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY Contest with the KX3 and Win4K3 Message-ID: <9253cde9-ac88-4064-bac3-ac16e6e7b43e@me.com> Having now used the KX3/Win4K3 combination more extensively on RTTY, CW and PSK31 I have been amazed that when the spectrum display is zoomed adequately clicking on the "Mark" tone in RTTY, The CW peak or the center of a PSK31 signal tunes them in perfectly. The signals are centered in the chosen passband and decoding starts immediately. If fldigi is on line and correctly tuned for the correct offset you get the same result. Very nice job Tom, makes a perfect little rig even better :) Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI On Jul 02, 2016, at 07:35 PM, Michael Blake wrote: What a great combination for search and pounce RTTY. Double click the mark Tone (upper tone peak) and go! The KX3's built in RTTY engine worked 100% with no other RTTY programs required. MMTTY and fldigi were available but not necessary. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 10:05:41 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:05:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 Shipping status? Message-ID: <072166a4-661a-7ff5-b2c7-1ea2544ffe8d@gmail.com> On the shipping status page, it says "*KXPD2 **Expected to Ship by June 28, 2016"**; *here it is July 5th... Any news or update? anxiously awaiting... 72 de W5SV From K5WA at Comcast.net Tue Jul 5 10:20:45 2016 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s Message-ID: <017901d1d6c8$6b93d9f0$42bb8dd0$@net> Bill, If you DON'T need the point and click feature (and many others) of the P3 and simply want to see band activity on the band you're on, I've had great luck with the NooElec SDR "dongle" and Nooelec 125MHz Upconverter using SDR# software being fed by your K3's IF OUTPUT. I'm able to put a small SDR# window just below each of my N1MM entry windows so I can see band activity on both SO2R rigs. You can set the bandwidth to anything you want but I find +/- 40 KHZ of my operating frequency to be good for me. A downside is that it takes 10 seconds to adjust the screen each time you turn on your computer but with a total investment of about $70 per rig, I'm happy to setup the screen before a contest and live with the limitations. If you run assisted or MM, you can just use the bandmap up/down features of your contest software to move around the band and don't need that feature of the P3. I don't have a P3 but I think that is a feature. ;-) Good luck with your decision. Bob K5WA > I sent this message this before the Dayton Hamfest and with all the traffic > on the New KX2 and the KPod I didn't receive but two replies, so I'm going > to try again to see if I can't determine the best path forward. > > > > I'm leaning away from the P3 and more towards a SDR or LP Pan approach. > > > > Thanks for your ideas and help > > > > 73 Bill W4RM From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Jul 5 10:33:46 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 07:33:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 Shipping status? In-Reply-To: <072166a4-661a-7ff5-b2c7-1ea2544ffe8d@gmail.com> References: <072166a4-661a-7ff5-b2c7-1ea2544ffe8d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80af6139-6bc8-33f2-390e-c4baa71da1c0@socal.rr.com> Last Shipping Status update was June 17, so ... . Lots of us are waiting, so you have company, grasshopper :-) Phil W7OX On 7/5/16 7:05 AM, David F. Reed wrote: > On the shipping status page, it says "*KXPD2 > **Expected to Ship by June 28, 2016"**; *here it > is July 5th... Any news or update? > anxiously awaiting... > > 72 de W5SV From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Tue Jul 5 11:15:29 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William Lagerberg) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:15:29 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] New second hand P3 question Message-ID: <6D1EFEAF-F56E-4874-8A01-6F1E884B6776@zendamateur.nl> Hi Group, I have a P3 connected with VGA and TXmon to my K3. Before this P3 i used a SDR-IQ connected to a computer and if-out to the SDR-IQ, because of the computer noise and the slow starting of windows etc etc, i wanted a P3 this is now perfect. It works nice, but my waterfall display is very unclear it not like i was used to, is there a way to change that ??? It?s unclear on the P3 and on the VGA monitor which is 21? so it should be ok. Next to that is it so that i was used to when i turn my dial of my K3 that the display changes immediately (i was able to tune in to a station with the display) with the P3 there is really a noticeable time between turning and moving of the display. Is this normal or should i change some settings in the P3 or the K3. All software is the latest of elecraft. William Pe1bsb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pe1bsb William lagerberg Stommeerkade 65 1431 EL Aalsmeer E william at zendamateur.nl ?????????????--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recepient. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From n1al at sonic.net Tue Jul 5 11:24:39 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:24:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New second hand P3 question In-Reply-To: <6D1EFEAF-F56E-4874-8A01-6F1E884B6776@zendamateur.nl> References: <6D1EFEAF-F56E-4874-8A01-6F1E884B6776@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <577BD137.9060701@sonic.net> It's unclear what you mean by "unclear". :=) Perhaps averaging is turned on. You can turn it off by HOLDing the AVERAGE key twice. You might also try switching between tracking and fixed-tune modes. These can be changed via the FixTrack menu selection. Alan N1AL On 07/05/2016 08:15 AM, William Lagerberg wrote: > Hi Group, > > I have a P3 connected with VGA and TXmon to my K3. > > Before this P3 i used a SDR-IQ connected to a computer and if-out to > the SDR-IQ, because of the computer noise and the slow starting of > windows etc etc, i wanted a P3 this is now perfect. > > It works nice, but my waterfall display is very unclear it not like i > was used to, is there a way to change that ??? It?s unclear on the P3 > and on the VGA monitor which is 21? so it should be ok. > > Next to that is it so that i was used to when i turn my dial of my K3 > that the display changes immediately (i was able to tune in to a > station with the display) with the P3 there is really a noticeable > time between turning and moving of the display. Is this normal or > should i change some settings in the P3 or the K3. > > All software is the latest of elecraft. > > William Pe1bsb > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Pe1bsb > William lagerberg Stommeerkade 65 1431 EL Aalsmeer > > E william at zendamateur.nl > > ?????????????--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recepient. Any review or distribution by > others is strictly prohibited. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n1al at sonic.net > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 11:45:36 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:45:36 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] New second hand P3 question In-Reply-To: <6D1EFEAF-F56E-4874-8A01-6F1E884B6776@zendamateur.nl> References: <6D1EFEAF-F56E-4874-8A01-6F1E884B6776@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <5D4D501C-1063-4459-BC3A-17BB08E5036E@gmail.com> Make sure the 'waterfall averaging' function in the P3 is turned off. Vic 4X6GP > On 5 Jul 2016, at 18:15, William Lagerberg wrote: > > Hi Group, > > I have a P3 connected with VGA and TXmon to my K3. > > Before this P3 i used a SDR-IQ connected to a computer and if-out to the SDR-IQ, because of the computer noise and the slow starting of windows etc etc, i wanted a P3 this is now perfect. > > It works nice, but my waterfall display is very unclear it not like i was used to, is there a way to change that ??? > It?s unclear on the P3 and on the VGA monitor which is 21? so it should be ok. > > Next to that is it so that i was used to when i turn my dial of my K3 that the display changes immediately (i was able to tune in to a station with the display) with the P3 there is really a noticeable time between turning and moving of the display. Is this normal or should i change some settings in the P3 or the K3. > > All software is the latest of elecraft. > > William Pe1bsb > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 5 13:07:08 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:07:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 Shipping status? In-Reply-To: <072166a4-661a-7ff5-b2c7-1ea2544ffe8d@gmail.com> References: <072166a4-661a-7ff5-b2c7-1ea2544ffe8d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9561458b-abe1-209e-885b-dc4fcf89605c@elecraft.com> We had a minor production glitch last week and are awaiting delivery of a part for the KXPD2 today or tomorrow. We should begin shipping KXPD2s against the backlog later this week. I'll update the status page to reflect this. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ === On 7/5/2016 7:05 AM, David F. Reed wrote: > On the shipping status page, it says "*KXPD2 **Expected to Ship by June 28, > 2016"**; *here it is July 5th... Any news or update? > anxiously awaiting... > > 72 de W5SV From john at kk9a.com Tue Jul 5 15:11:55 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:11:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age Message-ID: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone here can give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is much older. John KK9A From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Jul 5 15:41:41 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:41:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod review(s) In-Reply-To: References: <1E7E081E-2E72-463F-B9BA-F5920B354269@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi all, One of our customers has created a review category on eham.net for the K-Pod control panel: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/12918 It's under the "Specialized Amateur Communication Products" category, where various transceiver accessories appear, including the Elecraft P3 and PX3. Some other K-pod-like devices appear under the "Third Party Products" category, but that doesn't quite work in our case, since it's pure Elecraft. 73, Wayne N6KR From wchofmann at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 15:52:59 2016 From: wchofmann at gmail.com (Wally -K7FEL-) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:52:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> Message-ID: <1467748379540-7619650.post@n2.nabble.com> Have a look at the SDRplay ($150). No sound card required and 1.8 MHz bandwidth. It works beautifully with the recently updated Win4K3suite. ----- Wally K7FEL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Panadapters-for-a-MM-station-using-4-K3s-tp7619608p7619650.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hsherriff at reagan.com Tue Jul 5 16:26:47 2016 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:26:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <39AE5786-4F3D-4ADB-A579-920C33E27719@reagan.com> John, All I can say is my P3 is sn 2397 and the invoice shows a date of 11/21/2012. Harlan K4HES Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:11 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: > > I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone here can > give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. > The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is much > older. > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 5 16:31:00 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:31:00 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <003d01d1d6fc$2603f030$720bd090$@sbcglobal.net> John, I purchased KPA500 serial #1523 in February 2014. It was one of the amps that went on the T33A dxpedition in November 2013. Of the five amps on that dxpedition 4 were in the low 1500s and one was in the low 1200s. I don't know why they had one that had a much lower serial number than the others. The dxpedition coordinator did tell me they got the amps about a year before the dxpedition. So that puts my serial number in late 2012 or early 2013. Elecraft provided the K3s and KPA500s on the dxpedition. There should be no worry about the serial number or age of a KPA500. Unlike the K3 that had many mods over its productive life, I can only think of one mod on the KPA500 and that was to the 12 meter bandpass filter. There were issues with some KPA500s on 12 and the upgrade fixed that. My KPA500 did not experience the problem, but I had it upgraded in July 2014 just to be safe. Other than that one upgrade, and you might ask if he has had it done, a low serial number 1300 should be as good as one off the line today. If the amp has not had the upgrade you can get the parts from Elecraft and do it yourself or send the RF deck to Elecraft and they will do it for you. You do not have to send the complete amp with power supply back to California. All they need is the RF deck. This saves lots on shipping. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 7:12 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone here can give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is much older. John KK9A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From lists at subich.com Tue Jul 5 16:35:52 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapters for a MM station using 4 K3s In-Reply-To: <1467748379540-7619650.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <01f301d1d5ef$1dbadaa0$59308fe0$@AOL.COM> <1467748379540-7619650.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 7/5/2016 3:52 PM, Wally -K7FEL- wrote: > It works beautifully with the recently updated Win4K3suite. ... and with HDSDR as a stand-alone panadater when driven from the K3 IF. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/5/2016 3:52 PM, Wally -K7FEL- wrote: > Have a look at the SDRplay ($150). No sound card required and 1.8 MHz > bandwidth. It works beautifully with the recently updated Win4K3suite. > ----- Wally K7FEL > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Panadapters-for-a-MM-station-using-4-K3s-tp7619608p7619650.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Jul 5 16:50:55 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:50:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Frequency display only shows 10's of HZ? Message-ID: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> Hi, I notice that the KX2 only displays to the 10?s of hz and also only allows tuning to 10?s of Hz in all modes except data. Am I missing something? Can I tune to the Hz? Thanks, Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Jul 5 16:58:52 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:58:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: <39AE5786-4F3D-4ADB-A579-920C33E27719@reagan.com> References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <39AE5786-4F3D-4ADB-A579-920C33E27719@reagan.com> Message-ID: And that indicates what exactly? Each item in the K-LINE has its own serial number series starting with "0001", except the K3S which started at "10001". There might be some zeros out there but I think these were not actually sold to customers. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 5, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: > > John, > All I can say is my P3 is sn 2397 and the invoice shows a date of 11/21/2012. > > Harlan > K4HES > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:11 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: >> >> I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone here can >> give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. >> The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is much >> older. >> >> John KK9A >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 5 17:12:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Frequency display only shows 10's of HZ? In-Reply-To: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> Message-ID: Tom, I believe that is "the way it is". See Tuning Rates in the left column of page 16 in the manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/5/2016 4:50 PM, Tom wrote: > Hi, > I notice that the KX2 only displays to the 10?s of hz and also only allows tuning to 10?s of Hz in all modes except data. Am I missing something? Can I tune to the Hz? > Thanks, Tom > From turnbull at net1.ie Tue Jul 5 17:18:16 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 21:18:16 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products In-Reply-To: References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> Message-ID: <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> Dear OMs and YLs, I looked today for links to supporting products such as Fred Cady's books, Nifty Guides, KX3 stands, add on heat sinks and such but am unable to find this material. It is too bad if Elecraft has found it necessary to delete these links though I am sure such would have been done for sound reasons. If this section of the Elecraft site is still with us can someone tell me how to access it? 73 Doug EI2CN From rickw8zt at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 17:22:00 2016 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:22:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products In-Reply-To: <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> Message-ID: At the very bottom of the main page. www.Elecraft.com On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear OMs and YLs, > I looked today for links to supporting products such as Fred Cady's > books, Nifty Guides, KX3 stands, add on heat sinks and such but am unable > to > find this material. It is too bad if Elecraft has found it necessary to > delete these links though I am sure such would have been done for sound > reasons. If this section of the Elecraft site is still with us can > someone > tell me how to access it? > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rickw8zt at gmail.com > -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Jul 5 17:24:55 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:24:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <39AE5786-4F3D-4ADB-A579-920C33E27719@reagan.com> Message-ID: My KPA500 S/N 19XX arrived in spring of 2014 so, a bit over two years ago. But I doubt any unit as recent as 1300 will have any age-related design deficiencies vs. a new KPA500. Phil W7OX On 7/5/16 1:58 PM, Nr4c wrote: > And that indicates what exactly? Each item in the K-LINE has its own serial number series starting with "0001", except the K3S which started at "10001". There might be some zeros out there but I think these were not actually sold to customers. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Jul 5, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: >> >> John, >> All I can say is my P3 is sn 2397 and the invoice shows a date of 11/21/2012. >> >> Harlan >> K4HES >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:11 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: >>> >>> I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone here can >>> give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. >>> The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is much >>> older. >>> >>> John KK9A From dpk at randomnotes.org Tue Jul 5 17:39:10 2016 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:39:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1. That is definitely a upgrade I would buy. On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Dan Baker wrote: > I would like to be able to get rid of the AA cell holders inside the KX3, > and go with a battery pack similar to the KX2. LiFePO4 would be a nice > choice in a battery. For instance, I am very happy with Bioennopower > products, www.bioennopower.com Something similer would be very nice. Wayne > could write the firmware for different battery types to accommodate > charging inside the rig. Then Elecraft could sell us some new parts to make > the mod. I think there are more than a few of us that would appreciate not > having to take AA?s out of the rig. And the added benefits of LiFePO4 are > great. > > > Thanks, Dan KM6CQ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpk at randomnotes.org From plambert at qa.com.au Tue Jul 5 17:47:26 2016 From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:47:26 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005501d1d706$d307bb90$791732b0$@qa.com.au> I'd definitely buy an LiFePO4 pack and INTERNAL charger board upgrade too. But only if the batteries can be charged while inside the KX3. I'd leave it the way it is if it meant opening the case to remove the batteries for charging. 73's Peter VK4JD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Kingston Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2016 7:39 AM To: Dan Baker Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 +1. That is definitely a upgrade I would buy. On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Dan Baker wrote: > I would like to be able to get rid of the AA cell holders inside the > KX3, and go with a battery pack similar to the KX2. LiFePO4 would be a > nice choice in a battery. For instance, I am very happy with > Bioennopower products, www.bioennopower.com Something similer would be > very nice. Wayne could write the firmware for different battery types > to accommodate charging inside the rig. Then Elecraft could sell us > some new parts to make the mod. I think there are more than a few of > us that would appreciate not having to take AA?s out of the rig. And > the added benefits of LiFePO4 are great. > > > Thanks, Dan KM6CQ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dpk at randomnotes.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to plambert at qa.com.au From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 5 17:49:24 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 21:49:24 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products In-Reply-To: <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> Message-ID: <005d01d1d707$1978b8e0$4c6a2aa0$@sbcglobal.net> Doug, The Cady books are still on the order page. Look on the order page at the bottom of the K3S order area. This is just above the order area for the P3. I didn't look for the other stuff, but I'm sure it is still there. Look on the order page in the KX3 area. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Turnbull Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 9:18 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products Dear OMs and YLs, I looked today for links to supporting products such as Fred Cady's books, Nifty Guides, KX3 stands, add on heat sinks and such but am unable to find this material. It is too bad if Elecraft has found it necessary to delete these links though I am sure such would have been done for sound reasons. If this section of the Elecraft site is still with us can someone tell me how to access it? 73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Jul 5 18:00:24 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:00:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <39AE5786-4F3D-4ADB-A579-920C33E27719@reagan.com> Message-ID: I would agree that there is very little if anything in a KPA500 to deteriorate solely from age, unless we're talking about hundreds of years. That said, perhaps John is concerned that, if the seller is not being truthful about the age, he may not be truthful about other things as well, such as abuse. Just a guess, I suspect I'd be concerned. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 7/5/2016 2:24 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > My KPA500 S/N 19XX arrived in spring of 2014 so, a bit over two years ago. > > But I doubt any unit as recent as 1300 will have any age-related design > deficiencies vs. a new KPA500. > > Phil W7OX From hsherriff at reagan.com Tue Jul 5 18:00:26 2016 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <39AE5786-4F3D-4ADB-A579-920C33E27719@reagan.com> Message-ID: Oops. I read the question correctly, but appears I didn't engage brain. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 5, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > My KPA500 S/N 19XX arrived in spring of 2014 so, a bit over two years ago. > > But I doubt any unit as recent as 1300 will have any age-related design deficiencies vs. a new KPA500. > > Phil W7OX > >> On 7/5/16 1:58 PM, Nr4c wrote: >> And that indicates what exactly? Each item in the K-LINE has its own serial number series starting with "0001", except the K3S which started at "10001". There might be some zeros out there but I think these were not actually sold to customers. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: >>> >>> John, >>> All I can say is my P3 is sn 2397 and the invoice shows a date of 11/21/2012. >>> >>> Harlan >>> K4HES >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:11 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: >>>> >>>> I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone here can >>>> give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. >>>> The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is much >>>> older. >>>> >>>> John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From jimfinan at att.net Tue Jul 5 18:00:48 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:00:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products In-Reply-To: <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> Message-ID: <20160705220048.5869650.22210.42885@att.net> The links are towards the bottom of the Elecraft homepage. Elecraft.com Also, many of Fred Cady's books are also available on his website (downloads) - ? ke7x.com 73,? Jim AB4AC? Jim?Finan Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Doug Turnbull Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:19 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products Dear OMs and YLs, I looked today for links to supporting products such as Fred Cady's books, Nifty Guides, KX3 stands, add on heat sinks and such but am unable to find this material. It is too bad if Elecraft has found it necessary to delete these links though I am sure such would have been done for sound reasons. If this section of the Elecraft site is still with us can someone tell me how to access it? 73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 18:12:45 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:12:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products In-Reply-To: <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> Message-ID: Hi Doug! I don't see anything missing or changed. Be sure you go to the -bottom- of the website's front page. 73! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear OMs and YLs, > I looked today for links to supporting products such as Fred Cady's > books, Nifty Guides, KX3 stands, add on heat sinks and such but am unable > to > find this material. It is too bad if Elecraft has found it necessary to > delete these links though I am sure such would have been done for sound > reasons. If this section of the Elecraft site is still with us can > someone > tell me how to access it? > > 73 Doug EI2CN > From egrimseid at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 18:37:32 2016 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:37:32 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 In-Reply-To: <005501d1d706$d307bb90$791732b0$@qa.com.au> References: <005501d1d706$d307bb90$791732b0$@qa.com.au> Message-ID: +1 me to. I have an lifepo4 battery consisting of 8 aa cells. (4s2p) External of course. Good for a couple of hours of light use. About 2ah. La4tta Erlend 5. jul. 2016 11:49 p.m. skrev "Peter Lambert" : > I'd definitely buy an LiFePO4 pack and INTERNAL charger board upgrade > too. But only if the batteries can be charged while inside the KX3. I'd > leave it the way it is if it meant opening the case to remove the batteries > for charging. > > 73's Peter VK4JD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Doug Kingston > Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2016 7:39 AM > To: Dan Baker > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 > > +1. That is definitely a upgrade I would buy. > > On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Dan Baker wrote: > > > I would like to be able to get rid of the AA cell holders inside the > > KX3, and go with a battery pack similar to the KX2. LiFePO4 would be a > > nice choice in a battery. For instance, I am very happy with > > Bioennopower products, www.bioennopower.com Something similer would be > > very nice. Wayne could write the firmware for different battery types > > to accommodate charging inside the rig. Then Elecraft could sell us > > some new parts to make the mod. I think there are more than a few of > > us that would appreciate not having to take AA?s out of the rig. And > > the added benefits of LiFePO4 are great. > > > > > > Thanks, Dan KM6CQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > dpk at randomnotes.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to plambert at qa.com.au > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 5 18:40:57 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:40:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site Message-ID: <4f19f410-3d78-f7a4-406e-55701c9aef7e@elecraft.com> Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From wa6tla at icloud.com Tue Jul 5 18:54:20 2016 From: wa6tla at icloud.com (Elliott Lawrence) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site In-Reply-To: <4f19f410-3d78-f7a4-406e-55701c9aef7e@elecraft.com> References: <4f19f410-3d78-f7a4-406e-55701c9aef7e@elecraft.com> Message-ID: No support for Mac yet?? Elliott WA6TLA On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at: > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6tla at icloud.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 5 18:56:18 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site In-Reply-To: References: <4f19f410-3d78-f7a4-406e-55701c9aef7e@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Workin' on it. We have to do the Windows version first and then translate it to Mac and Linux.. That takes several weeks more. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/5/2016 3:54 PM, Elliott Lawrence wrote: > No support for Mac yet?? > Elliott WA6TLA > > On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > >> Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at: >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util >> >> 73, >> >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wa6tla at icloud.com From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 19:18:27 2016 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Frequency display only shows 10's of HZ? In-Reply-To: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> Message-ID: I suspect it will also allow you to tune in 1Hz steps in CW mode if you enable the APF. 73, Matt VK2RQ On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:51 AM +1000, "Tom" wrote: Hi, I notice that the KX2 only displays to the 10?s of hz and also only allows tuning to 10?s of Hz in all modes except data. Am I missing something? Can I tune to the Hz? Thanks, Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Jul 5 19:27:33 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:27:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Frequency display only shows 10's of HZ? In-Reply-To: References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> Message-ID: <4389f637-34f6-8620-ca57-a3a21f537caa@socal.rr.com> It does. Phil W7OX On 7/5/16 4:18 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > I suspect it will also allow you to tune in 1Hz steps in CW mode if you enable the APF. > > 73, Matt VK2RQ > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:51 AM +1000, "Tom" wrote: > > > Hi, > I notice that the KX2 only displays to the 10?s of hz and also only allows tuning to 10?s of Hz in all modes except data. Am I missing something? Can I tune to the Hz? > Thanks, Tom From ekacura at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 19:36:29 2016 From: ekacura at yahoo.com (Edward Kacura) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 19:36:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 shipping status Message-ID: <5200534D-FFF1-4047-BBEB-A0DEA3CF22C2@yahoo.com> One thing I've learned about Elecraft in the last almost 10 yrs, is that good things come to those who wait ! I've yet to be disappointed by them, the crew at Elecraft are the BEST IMHO !!! I'll gladly wait...... Ed N7EDK Bradenton, FL Sent from my iPhone From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Tue Jul 5 21:11:13 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Battery Mod for K2 battery pack (was : Battery Pack Mod for the KX3) In-Reply-To: References: <005501d1d706$d307bb90$791732b0$@qa.com.au> Message-ID: <193762253.1762806.1467767473085.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Similarly, with the advance in battery technology, the lead acid battery in K2 should be now advanced to a LiFePo pack as well. ?There are ample space inside the K2 for installing a new charging circuit board. ?This will greatly reduce the weight of a battery powered K2 and give much longer operating period. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Erlend Grimseid ???? Elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2016?07?6? (??) 6:37 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 +1 me to. I have an lifepo4 battery consisting of 8 aa cells. (4s2p) External of course. Good for a couple of hours of light use. About 2ah. La4tta Erlend 5. jul. 2016 11:49 p.m. skrev "Peter Lambert" : > I'd definitely buy an LiFePO4 pack and INTERNAL charger board upgrade > too.? But only if the batteries can be charged while inside the KX3.? I'd > leave it the way it is if it meant opening the case to remove the batteries > for charging. > > 73's Peter VK4JD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Doug Kingston > Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2016 7:39 AM > To: Dan Baker > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery Pack Mod for the KX3 > > +1.? That is definitely a upgrade I would buy. > > On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Dan Baker wrote: > > > I would like to be able to get rid of the AA cell holders inside the > > KX3, and go with a battery pack similar to the KX2. LiFePO4 would be a > > nice choice in a battery. For instance, I am very happy with > > Bioennopower products, www.bioennopower.com Something similer would be > > very nice. Wayne could write the firmware for different battery types > > to accommodate charging inside the rig. Then Elecraft could sell us > > some new parts to make the mod. I think there are more than a few of > > us that would appreciate not having to take AA?s out of the rig. And > > the added benefits of LiFePO4 are great. > > > > > > Thanks,? Dan KM6CQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > dpk at randomnotes.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to plambert at qa.com.au > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 5 21:31:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 21:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Battery Mod for K2 battery pack (was : Battery Pack Mod for the KX3) In-Reply-To: <193762253.1762806.1467767473085.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <005501d1d706$d307bb90$791732b0$@qa.com.au> <193762253.1762806.1467767473085.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3bb121a3-9e47-19cd-9a63-64c8ae1d8f2c@embarqmail.com> Johnny, While this is a good suggestion, given the age of the K2 and the lack of engineering time for the Elecraft designers, I don't think it will be a change coming from Elecraft. It is however a good suggestion to reduce the weight and operating time for a portable K2/10. I think it would be a good mod for some enterprising ham. I don't think an internal charging circuit board would be necessary. Check out the direct battery connection on my website www.w3fpr.com - Smartcharger for the K2. With a battery replacement, the Smartcharger part is not relevant, but the direct connection to the battery is relevant. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/5/2016 9:11 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > Similarly, with the advance in battery technology, the lead acid battery in K2 should be now advanced to a LiFePo pack as well. There are ample space inside the K2 for installing a new charging circuit board. This will greatly reduce the weight of a battery powered K2 and give much longer operating period. > From k9yeq at live.com Tue Jul 5 11:49:39 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Or, as a wealthy customer pointed out to me : "many people have more $ than brains!". Bill -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 6:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone On Mon,7/4/2016 2:43 PM, glcazzola at alice.it wrote: > It seem to me too much for an ham radio station. Wretched excess. Comes under the heading of a fool and his money are easily separated. :) I own about a dozen Neumann mics that I use for recording. I use a Yamaha CM500 in my ham station. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From fcady at montana.edu Wed Jul 6 00:09:02 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 04:09:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Frequency display only shows 10's of HZ? In-Reply-To: References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC>, Message-ID: It will show 1 Hz tuning in CW if APF is on and also in Data modes. Cheers, Fred KE7X [yes a KX2 book is coming] ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Tom Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:50 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Frequency display only shows 10's of HZ? Hi, I notice that the KX2 only displays to the 10?s of hz and also only allows tuning to 10?s of Hz in all modes except data. Am I missing something? Can I tune to the Hz? Thanks, Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From hhoyt at mebtel.net Wed Jul 6 00:12:15 2016 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:12:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products Message-ID: <42ce9159-1abc-0812-a1d1-fe8cf8d56453@mebtel.net> Hi Doug, Since we specialize in KX series accessories, we have a good set of links to such products at: https://proaudioeng.com/links/ May I also suggest that you join the Yahoo Elecraft KX User Group? We now have over 5100 members representing over 50% of KX3 owners: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/info Cheers & 73, Howie - WA4PSC >>I looked today for links to supporting products such as >>Fred Cady's books, Nifty Guides, KX3 stands, add on heat >>sinks and such but am unable to find this material. From turnbull at net1.ie Wed Jul 6 03:47:18 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:47:18 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products In-Reply-To: References: <4F45FEE24FE24DF09B37A03ED963B458@tomsPC> <46B372B050BF4F9CB5B8BB536A7C6767@DougTPC> Message-ID: <96D0C22633844E2D9FDB591AB3ED940F@DougTPC> Dear YLs and OMs, I was looking in the wrong place. The site is quite extensive these days. Everything is there. These resources are appreciated and having links from Elecraft is helpful - this should not surprise me as it fits the ethos of Elecraft. 73 Doug EI2CN _____ From: Rose [mailto:elecraftcovers at gmail.com] Sent: 05 July 2016 22:13 To: Doug Turnbull; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suppporting Products Hi Doug! I don't see anything missing or changed. Be sure you go to the -bottom- of the website's front page. 73! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: Dear OMs and YLs, I looked today for links to supporting products such as Fred Cady's books, Nifty Guides, KX3 stands, add on heat sinks and such but am unable to find this material. It is too bad if Elecraft has found it necessary to delete these links though I am sure such would have been done for sound reasons. If this section of the Elecraft site is still with us can someone tell me how to access it? 73 Doug EI2CN From lightdazzled at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 07:41:08 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:41:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Battery Mod for K2 battery pack (was : Battery Pack Mod for the KX3) In-Reply-To: References: <005501d1d706$d307bb90$791732b0$@qa.com.au> <193762253.1762806.1467767473085.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <3bb121a3-9e47-19cd-9a63-64c8ae1d8f2c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I used a 4S1P 2200 mAh LiFePO4 pack inside my K2 for a long time, and charged it with the original BT2 charging circuit. The BT2 charged the pack slowly enough that it never got warm, even if charging was continued well past full charge for each of the LiFePO4 cells. Normally I just let it run over night and that was enough. Although this is not the ideal way to charge this chemistry, I found it worked well. After several charge/discharge cycles using the BT2 circuit to charge, I would remove the pack and do a proper balance charge with a charger intended for LiFePO4 cells, and found that all of the cells were still in good balance. I also did not find any significant drop in pack capacity over the 5 years and perhaps 30 charge cycles I used this method. I think it worked well because the charge and discharge rates in K2 service were gentle and not a stress on the cells. Would it have been ideal to use a balance charger every time to charge the pack? Of course. Doing it the way I did, maybe I lowered ultimate useful life of the pack from 500 to 200 cycles (just a WAG), but even if I had come close to 200 cycles before I replaced the pack, I would have considered doing it this way a big success. YMMV, but this worked well for me. Now that I have a KX3, I don't take the K2 portable anymore, but it is still my favored base station. Chip AE5KA SOTA W5 Association Manager On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Johnny, > > While this is a good suggestion, given the age of the K2 and the lack of > engineering time for the Elecraft designers, I don't think it will be a > change coming from Elecraft. > > It is however a good suggestion to reduce the weight and operating time > for a portable K2/10. I think it would be a good mod for some enterprising > ham. I don't think an internal charging circuit board would be necessary. > Check out the direct battery connection on my website www.w3fpr.com - > Smartcharger for the K2. With a battery replacement, the Smartcharger part > is not relevant, but the direct connection to the battery is relevant. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/5/2016 9:11 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > >> Similarly, with the advance in battery technology, the lead acid battery >> in K2 should be now advanced to a LiFePo pack as well. There are ample >> space inside the K2 for installing a new charging circuit board. This will >> greatly reduce the weight of a battery powered K2 and give much longer >> operating period. >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From efortner at ctc.net Wed Jul 6 09:04:21 2016 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <39AE5786-4F3D-4ADB-A579-920C33E27719@reagan.com> Message-ID: <000501d1d786$ea918590$bfb490b0$@net> I purchased one in September of 2015 and SN is 1783. Earl, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 5:25 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 age My KPA500 S/N 19XX arrived in spring of 2014 so, a bit over two years ago. But I doubt any unit as recent as 1300 will have any age-related design deficiencies vs. a new KPA500. Phil W7OX On 7/5/16 1:58 PM, Nr4c wrote: > And that indicates what exactly? Each item in the K-LINE has its own serial number series starting with "0001", except the K3S which started at "10001". There might be some zeros out there but I think these were not actually sold to customers. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Jul 5, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: >> >> John, >> All I can say is my P3 is sn 2397 and the invoice shows a date of 11/21/2012. >> >> Harlan >> K4HES >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:11 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: >>> >>> I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone >>> here can give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. >>> The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is >>> much older. >>> >>> John KK9A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From ny9h at arrl.net Wed Jul 6 09:09:15 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: from a guy who worked for : in alpha order AKG Shure Bros Sennheiser SPEND THE BUCKS ON THE ANTENNA..... get an electret element from RatSchak, put it on the end of a gooseneck lamp ( do take out the bulb) .... stuff on an old mic windscreen to make you feel good and tada ..... a great sounding 25$ mic system.... 2$ for the mic 23 for the chrome gooseneck lamp From bhemmis at mac.com Wed Jul 6 09:32:10 2016 From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <20160706131047.1558F149B430@mailman.qth.net> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <20160706131047.1558F149B430@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio. I have both and just sold my EV RE-20 & Marshall V-77. The Heils are long gone? 73, Brian K3USC (since 1962) > On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H wrote: > > from a guy who worked for : > > in alpha order > > AKG > Shure Bros > Sennheiser > > > SPEND THE BUCKS ON THE ANTENNA..... > > get an electret element from RatSchak, put it on the end of a gooseneck lamp > ( do take out the bulb) .... stuff on an old mic windscreen to make you feel good > > and tada ..... a great sounding 25$ mic system.... > 2$ for the mic 23 for the chrome gooseneck lamp > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3usc at arrl.net From graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk Wed Jul 6 11:36:26 2016 From: graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk (graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:36:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] funcube on K3 IF output Message-ID: <2022834171.4588801.1467819386210.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> Hi All I have been trying the Funcube PRO + dongle connected to the IF output on the K3. It works fine, displaying sigs in a 180khz passband centered on 8215 EG setting the FCD to 8215 khz & tuning the K3 to 10100 (A RTTY WX stn) this stn is still visible on the FCD display with the K3 is tuned to 10180 khz. Is there anyway to prevent the frequency changing when tuning on the K3 VFO? I noted this is possible when using a P3, does this use software built into the P3 or does it send commands back to the K3? Gray G3VIP From john at kk9a.com Wed Jul 6 12:10:37 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:10:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 age In-Reply-To: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <16ae969cf4e1a481160706e28d304d5a.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all that responded to my question regarding the age of a KPA500 that I purchased last week. I received a lot of useful clues to the age of this amp, amazingly one guy in Sweden had a KPA500 with a serial number only 20 units higher. As I suspected, this amp was no where near one year old as advertised and the seller has been unresponsive since 2 July when I questioned him on the age. He was either mistaken or attempted fraud. If mistaken and responsive we probably could have worked something out. To those that stated there is nothing that ages in the amp and that there have been few updates, I could not care less. I do not do business this way, the amp has been shipped back and I have demanded a refund. 73, John On Tue, July 5, 2016 3:11 pm, john at kk9a.com wrote: I hate to bother Elecraft with this question, I am hoping someone here can give me an age estimate of a KPA500 with a serial number in the low 1300s. The seller claims that it is a year old and I suspect that it is much older. John KK9A From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Wed Jul 6 13:33:50 2016 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:33:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <20160706131047.1558F149B430@mailman.qth.net> <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> Message-ID: <022001d1d7ac$8f99c0a0$aecd41e0$@STL-OnLine.Net> Telephone mic elements work quite well also. They have been in continuous development since their first use on March 10, 1876. 73, Jim KG0KP -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Hemmis Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:32 AM To: Bill Steffey NY9H Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio. I have both and just sold my EV RE-20 & Marshall V-77. The Heils are long gone? 73, Brian K3USC (since 1962) > On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H wrote: > > from a guy who worked for : > > in alpha order > > AKG > Shure Bros > Sennheiser > > > SPEND THE BUCKS ON THE ANTENNA..... > > get an electret element from RatSchak, put it on the end of a gooseneck lamp > ( do take out the bulb) .... stuff on an old mic windscreen to make you feel good > > and tada ..... a great sounding 25$ mic system.... > 2$ for the mic 23 for the chrome gooseneck lamp > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k3usc at arrl.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net From sjl219 at optonline.net Wed Jul 6 13:35:11 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Interesting Band Condx Website Message-ID: <14445381.7cabd.155c1471f2b.Webtop.56@optonline.net> This website just came to my attention. ?Perhaps it might be of interest to others. ? http://www.bandconditions.com/ Stan WB2LQF From lists at subich.com Wed Jul 6 14:22:53 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:22:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] funcube on K3 IF output In-Reply-To: <2022834171.4588801.1467819386210.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> References: <2022834171.4588801.1467819386210.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> Message-ID: <81a72579-00b7-3ae3-85ef-04e22d011839@subich.com> > Is there anyway to prevent the frequency changing when tuning on the > K3 VFO? I noted this is possible when using a P3, does this use > software built into the P3 or does it send commands back to the K3? It uses capabilities built into the P3. Specifically, in "fix tune" mode, the P3 changes its center frequency to compensate for changes in the K3 VFO frequency. With the SDR software that implemented a fix tune mode, the FCD+ could do the same thing. *However* the SDR software would need to know the the K3's VFO A frequency, mode and IF Offset (IF; and IS; commands), calculate the IF frequency that corresponded to the desired "fixed frequency" *and* compensate every time the K3 VFO, mode and/or filter shift/width changed. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/6/2016 11:36 AM, graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk wrote: > Hi All > > I have been trying the Funcube PRO + dongle connected to the IF > output on the K3. It works fine, displaying sigs in a 180khz passband > centered on 8215 EG setting the FCD to 8215 khz & tuning the K3 to > 10100 (A RTTY WX stn) this stn is still visible on the FCD display > with the K3 is tuned to 10180 khz. Is there anyway to prevent the > frequency changing when tuning on the K3 VFO? I noted this is > possible when using a P3, does this use software built into the P3 or > does it send commands back to the K3? > > Gray G3VIP From n1rj at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 6 14:48:00 2016 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3Utility Data Message-ID: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> Where does the K3 utility store it's data? RF gain cal, AGC cal, etc 73, Roger From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Jul 6 14:55:56 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:55:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3Utility Data In-Reply-To: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> References: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: My KX3 configs are in files like this: ~/Library/Application Support/Elecraft/KX3 Configuration/SN02985.20160324T090003.KX3Config On the Mac, of course. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > Where does the K3 utility store it's data? RF gain cal, AGC cal, etc > > 73, Roger > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ron at cobi.biz Wed Jul 6 15:03:34 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <022001d1d7ac$8f99c0a0$aecd41e0$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <20160706131047.1558F149B430@mailman.qth.net> <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> <022001d1d7ac$8f99c0a0$aecd41e0$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <003901d1d7b9$18a98720$49fc9560$@biz> I have such a RS electret element in a hand-held mic. Works great. Whatever the mic, remember that any modern rig sets the bandwidth transmitted and most have equalizers for those wanting to tweak the response within the typical 300 Hz to 2.7 or 3 kHz range the transmitter will let through. Even the old AM rigs were normally designed to "roll off" the audio above about 3 kHz, although not anywhere near as sharply as a crystal filter. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- > On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H wrote: > > from a guy who worked for : > > in alpha order > > AKG > Shure Bros > Sennheiser > > > SPEND THE BUCKS ON THE ANTENNA..... > > get an electret element from RatSchak, put it on the end of a gooseneck lamp > ( do take out the bulb) .... stuff on an old mic windscreen to make you feel good > > and tada ..... a great sounding 25$ mic system.... > 2$ for the mic 23 for the chrome gooseneck lamp From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 6 15:02:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bewildering K3/KPA500 power cycling. Message-ID: <17ba3bc5-8b59-5f48-9102-0633cd539872@triconet.org> This has bothered me since I got my KPA500 but it hasn't been a show stopper so I haven't brought it up before. It's actually somewhat difficult to describe since it makes no real sense, but I will try. If both the K3 and the KPA are off (KPA rear breaker is on) and I power up the K3, the KPA powers up. If I power off the K3, the KPA stays powered. If I power on the K3 the KPA then powers off and the front panel button is inactive. If I want the KPA power on, I have to cycle the rear panel breaker or power cycle the K3. This is nuts, but my question is, is it "normal"? Wes N7WS. From cautery at montac.com Wed Jul 6 15:03:22 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:03:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3Utility Data In-Reply-To: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> References: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: DEFAULT is here: TX Gain: C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 Tx Gain Configuration: C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 Configuration Basically... all the defaults are here in sub directories: C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\ You can MAKE it be whatever you want it... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/6/2016 1:48 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > Where does the K3 utility store it's data? RF gain cal, AGC cal, etc > > 73, Roger From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 6 15:08:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3Utility Data In-Reply-To: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> References: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Roger, When you do the Calibrate functions of K3 Utility, it stores the results back into the K3 - if you watch the scrolling text, it will say something like "waiting on the K3" or "writing data to the K3". The crystal configuration data is similar. When you do a Save Configuration, it writes that data into a folder on your computer. Watch the messages and it will tell you which folder it is using. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/6/2016 2:48 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > Where does the K3 utility store it's data? RF gain cal, AGC cal, etc > From dick at elecraft.com Wed Jul 6 15:22:41 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3Utility Data In-Reply-To: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> References: <577D5260.4030206@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <2C8A1E2D-5DF9-4498-ABAC-443575FFACE1@elecraft.com> In EEPROM of the K3 Dick Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:48, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > Where does the K3 utility store it's data? RF gain cal, AGC cal, etc > > 73, Roger > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 6 16:26:47 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:26:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SDR Processing from IF Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <728b13da-af95-cb59-7648-62f0d4ab4b9b@triconet.org> I'm not doing any particular analysis, or using it as a second RX, but I have a couple of SDR-IQs, (one on each K3) that I use as panadapters. I just picked up a 10" Motion tablet computer at a thrift store and I'm playing with one of the SDR-IQs (as a standalone so far) and tuning it via SpectraVue and the touch screen. I haven't quite mastered it yet but it holds promise for tuning the K3 via touch. (Maybe I won't need a second rotator cuff surgery after all) Wes N7WS On 6/24/2016 11:06 AM, a45wg wrote: > Fellow Elecrafters, > I have been experimenting with using the IF out from my K3-S to feed an SDR Radio which will in turn allow me to perform some real time signals analysis (including but not only cw-skimmer). I have got the setup working using some cheap RTL-SDR?s which are not designed for HF bands (but with slightly different firmware can be make to sort of work - down to 20 Mhz they are bearable). > > Is anyone else doing this - I would appreciate some feedback (preferably positive) regarding more suitable SDR receivers ?? > > Please feel free to PM me - I shall post back the boiled down wisdom?. > > 73s and thanks > > Tim - A45WG From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Jul 6 16:28:16 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 13:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bewildering K3/KPA500 power cycling. In-Reply-To: <17ba3bc5-8b59-5f48-9102-0633cd539872@triconet.org> References: <17ba3bc5-8b59-5f48-9102-0633cd539872@triconet.org> Message-ID: Nope. You need to check the aux io cable. I would bet the power-on pin is connected on both sides. It should not be. Fix that and the KPA should behave normally. Jack, W6FB Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > This has bothered me since I got my KPA500 but it hasn't been a show stopper so I haven't brought it up before. > > It's actually somewhat difficult to describe since it makes no real sense, but I will try. > > If both the K3 and the KPA are off (KPA rear breaker is on) and I power up the K3, the KPA powers up. If I power off the K3, the KPA stays powered. If I power on the K3 the KPA then powers off and the front panel button is inactive. If I want the KPA power on, I have to cycle the rear panel breaker or power cycle the K3. This is nuts, but my question is, is it "normal"? > > Wes N7WS. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From n1al at sonic.net Wed Jul 6 16:51:23 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:51:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] funcube on K3 IF output In-Reply-To: <81a72579-00b7-3ae3-85ef-04e22d011839@subich.com> References: <2022834171.4588801.1467819386210.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> <81a72579-00b7-3ae3-85ef-04e22d011839@subich.com> Message-ID: <577D6F4B.6050002@sonic.net> On 07/06/2016 11:22 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Is there anyway to prevent the frequency changing when tuning on the >> K3 VFO? I noted this is possible when using a P3, does this use >> software built into the P3 or does it send commands back to the K3? > > It uses capabilities built into the P3. Specifically, in "fix tune" > mode, the P3 changes its center frequency to compensate for changes > in the K3 VFO frequency. > > With the SDR software that implemented a fix tune mode, the FCD+ could > do the same thing. *However* the SDR software would need to know the > the K3's VFO A frequency, mode and IF Offset (IF; and IS; commands), > calculate the IF frequency that corresponded to the desired "fixed > frequency" *and* compensate every time the K3 VFO, mode and/or filter > shift/width changed. *and* compensate in real time for the latency of the communications between the P3 and K3. It was a major development effort to get it to work smoothly. Alan N1AL > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 7/6/2016 11:36 AM, graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I have been trying the Funcube PRO + dongle connected to the IF >> output on the K3. It works fine, displaying sigs in a 180khz passband >> centered on 8215 EG setting the FCD to 8215 khz & tuning the K3 to >> 10100 (A RTTY WX stn) this stn is still visible on the FCD display >> with the K3 is tuned to 10180 khz. Is there anyway to prevent the >> frequency changing when tuning on the K3 VFO? I noted this is >> possible when using a P3, does this use software built into the P3 or >> does it send commands back to the K3? >> >> Gray G3VIP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Jul 6 17:34:06 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:34:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <20160706131047.1558F149B430@mailman.qth.net> <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> Message-ID: <33786e98-f466-40ec-d117-b3b7e7d2eaa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,7/6/2016 6:32 AM, Brian Hemmis wrote: > Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio. K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have a fine TX equalizer built-in. There is ZERO need for anything outboard. 73, Jim K9YC From ta2ah at outlook.com Wed Jul 6 17:56:10 2016 From: ta2ah at outlook.com (Ruchan Ozatay) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 00:56:10 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 Message-ID: Hi, Since I have fully loaded KX3, KXPA100 and PX3. Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? Any comment would be very much appreciated. Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 6 17:59:40 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bewildering K3/KPA500 power cycling. In-Reply-To: References: <17ba3bc5-8b59-5f48-9102-0633cd539872@triconet.org> Message-ID: <3fc3b6d7-240e-dcaf-07f9-4221176407e7@triconet.org> Thanks. I use a VGA cable, modified by breaking off the unneeded pins. I missed one. On 7/6/2016 1:28 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Nope. You need to check the aux io cable. I would bet the power-on pin is connected on both sides. It should not be. Fix that and the KPA should behave normally. > > Jack, W6FB > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Jul 6 18:05:37 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:05:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b0c661f-4011-f675-0a50-3d97411962fc@socal.rr.com> Good discussion/comparison here http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX2%20FAQ%20v-1-2.pdf But I bought mine because I wanted one, Ruchan; best, small QRP rig ever, IMO. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/6/16 2:56 PM, Ruchan Ozatay wrote: > Hi, > > Since I have fully loaded KX3, KXPA100 and PX3. > > Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? > > Any comment would be very much appreciated. > > Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH From ptaa at ieee.org Wed Jul 6 18:22:37 2016 From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:22:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Capture Image not working Message-ID: <1467843757375-7619701.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello, I have the KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100 connected as indicated on page 9 in the PX3 manual. The PC is connected to KXPA100. All units updated to last FW version. The PX3 Utility (rev 1.15.8.1) connects as normal, and I can upload new FW etc. However, the Capture Image function does not work properly. It starts as normal but the program displays an erroneous image and freezes after a short while. Have to reset the PX3. Connecting the PC directly to the PX3 works as normal. Any idea? Best 73 de Per-Tore / LA7NO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Capture-Image-not-working-tp7619701.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ekacura at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 18:38:26 2016 From: ekacura at yahoo.com (Edward Kacura) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 18:38:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: <7b0c661f-4011-f675-0a50-3d97411962fc@socal.rr.com> References: <7b0c661f-4011-f675-0a50-3d97411962fc@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <6C2BC121-55CF-4ECF-BC6A-27AE275966E2@yahoo.com> Same reason here Phil !! It's the ultimate KX1, which I still have and won't part with ! My KX3 is my base station now, along with my amp and PX3. You don't have to buy one Ruchan, but it is a great portable radio. If it's Elecraft, it has to be good !!! 73 Ed N7EDK Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 6, 2016, at 18:05, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Good discussion/comparison here http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX2%20FAQ%20v-1-2.pdf > > But I bought mine because I wanted one, Ruchan; best, small QRP rig ever, IMO. > > 73, Phil W7OX > >> On 7/6/16 2:56 PM, Ruchan Ozatay wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Since I have fully loaded KX3, KXPA100 and PX3. >> >> Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? >> >> Any comment would be very much appreciated. >> >> Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH > > From rv6amark at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 18:53:30 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?TWFyaywgYXJzOiBLRTZCQg==?=) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:53:30 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 Message-ID: <000f426d.25c7ed232392328f@yahoo.com> Re: Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? I am considering buying a KX2, and using my KX3 as my dedicated home station. That would eliminate the need to constantly pug and unplug cables when I go into the field. I have been operating my KX3 in the field with the IF shift engaged (which also bypasses the roofing filters) to simulate the KX2 receiver (I think), and it works great. Now, to find the money ;-) Mark, ars: KE6BB From ptaa at ieee.org Wed Jul 6 18:59:41 2016 From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 00:59:41 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Capture Image not working In-Reply-To: References: <1467843757375-7619701.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Fred, that fixed it. Clearly a FW issue on the KXPA100. P-T On 7 July 2016 at 00:54, Cady, Fred wrote: > Try turning off the KXPA100. At one time there was a problem with the > screen shot and having it on. I don't know if that has been fixed or not. > > 73, > > Fred KE7X > > > For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Elecraft on behalf of LA7NO < > ptaa at ieee.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 4:22 PM > *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Subject:* [Elecraft] PX3 Capture Image not working > > Hello, > > I have the KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100 connected as indicated on page 9 in the PX3 > manual. > The PC is connected to KXPA100. > All units updated to last FW version. > > The PX3 Utility (rev 1.15.8.1) connects as normal, and I can upload new FW > etc. > However, the Capture Image function does not work properly. It starts as > normal but the program displays an erroneous image and freezes after a > short > while. Have to reset the PX3. > Connecting the PC directly to the PX3 works as normal. > > Any idea? > > Best 73 de Per-Tore / LA7NO > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Capture-Image-not-working-tp7619701.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu > > From fcady at montana.edu Wed Jul 6 18:54:59 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Capture Image not working In-Reply-To: <1467843757375-7619701.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467843757375-7619701.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Try turning off the KXPA100. At one time there was a problem with the screen shot and having it on. I don't know if that has been fixed or not. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of LA7NO Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 4:22 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Capture Image not working Hello, I have the KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100 connected as indicated on page 9 in the PX3 manual. The PC is connected to KXPA100. All units updated to last FW version. The PX3 Utility (rev 1.15.8.1) connects as normal, and I can upload new FW etc. However, the Capture Image function does not work properly. It starts as normal but the program displays an erroneous image and freezes after a short while. Have to reset the PX3. Connecting the PC directly to the PX3 works as normal. Any idea? Best 73 de Per-Tore / LA7NO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Capture-Image-not-working-tp7619701.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From bhemmis at mac.com Wed Jul 6 19:40:28 2016 From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 19:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <33786e98-f466-40ec-d117-b3b7e7d2eaa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <20160706131047.1558F149B430@mailman.qth.net> <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> <33786e98-f466-40ec-d117-b3b7e7d2eaa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Exactly Jim. The internal EQ of most of the current radios will make most mics sound pretty good. No need for the stacks of outboard some guys use. 73, Brian K3USC > On Jul 6, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Wed,7/6/2016 6:32 AM, Brian Hemmis wrote: >> Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio. > > K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have a fine TX equalizer built-in. There is ZERO need for anything outboard. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3usc at arrl.net From lists at subich.com Wed Jul 6 20:22:46 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 20:22:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <20160704214307.6238290.93739.14264@alice.it> <474030e9-bb83-b656-64de-305e2ba09f1e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <20160706131047.1558F149B430@mailman.qth.net> <671C3B02-D357-4B0F-BF9E-D3B58305EB39@mac.com> <33786e98-f466-40ec-d117-b3b7e7d2eaa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <85b2e8a3-c268-a724-a47a-0f267f8e7349@subich.com> On 7/6/2016 7:40 PM, Brian Hemmis wrote: > Exactly Jim. The internal EQ of most of the current radios will make > most mics sound pretty good Or make them sound terrible for those lids who boost the lows all the way down to 30 Hz and over drive the highs in an attempt to compensate for the filtering built into the transceiver DSP or transmit IF. In general any input below 200 Hz is a waste of transmit power and contributes to distortion in the audio processing stages. Excess high frequency clipping also generates significant splatter when the heavily processed modulation is passed through a PA stage which is itself in compression (non-linear). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/6/2016 7:40 PM, Brian Hemmis wrote: > Exactly Jim. The internal EQ of most of the current radios will make most mics sound pretty good. No need for the stacks of outboard some guys use. > > 73, Brian K3USC > > >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On Wed,7/6/2016 6:32 AM, Brian Hemmis wrote: >>> Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio. >> >> K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have a fine TX equalizer built-in. There is ZERO need for anything outboard. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Jul 6 20:22:42 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 17:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D0A2A39-FB76-4FFB-A533-B87923020813@elecraft.com> Hi Ruchan, I'm inherently biased, of course, but here's my personal reasoning: I wanted an all-band/multi-mode radio the size of an HT that put out 10 watts from internal battery and could be taken virtually anywhere. The KX2 is that rig. I can pack my entire station--including the KX2, mini-mic, adapters, paddle, log sheet, a whip and two lengths of antenna wire--into our CS40 padded bag. Everything weighs just under 2 pounds. I've been anxious to build something like this ever since my Elmer told me about working VK from CA using an 11-meter walkie-talkie during the 1957 sunspot peak. This was in the 1970s when, as a teen, I first started building my own gear. But I couldn't even have imagined the construction techniques our engineering staff would employ to get the KX2 packed into half the space of the KX3. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Ruchan Ozatay ta2ah at outlook.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Since I have fully loaded KX3, KXPA100 and PX3. > > Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? > > Any comment would be very much appreciated. > > Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH From k9yeq at live.com Wed Jul 6 21:13:18 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 20:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: <7b0c661f-4011-f675-0a50-3d97411962fc@socal.rr.com> References: <7b0c661f-4011-f675-0a50-3d97411962fc@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Phil, That's my issue. I just want it. The KX1 will have to go even though I am sentimentally attached as a field tester. I sold off the FT K2 #35, was sorry about it, bought another and then finally gave in and sold it too. The KX1 is super handy but I like using SSB and had a short but eventful use of the Yaesu FT 817 with many mods, which was so limited in many aspects except as pedestrian mobile which gave me great success on 17m. The KX2 looks perfect for what I love to do on occasion without the hassle and short battery life of the 817. I have an HT for 2 and 440 which I rarely use. The KX3 and K3 do the rest. The IC7000, TS2000 and KAT500 are going on the auction blocks to make way. I rarely use these. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 5:06 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 Good discussion/comparison here http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX2%20FAQ%20v-1-2.pdf But I bought mine because I wanted one, Ruchan; best, small QRP rig ever, IMO. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/6/16 2:56 PM, Ruchan Ozatay wrote: > Hi, > > Since I have fully loaded KX3, KXPA100 and PX3. > > Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? > > Any comment would be very much appreciated. > > Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From rcrgs at verizon.net Wed Jul 6 21:27:23 2016 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 01:27:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Interesting Band Condx Website In-Reply-To: <14445381.7cabd.155c1471f2b.Webtop.56@optonline.net> References: <14445381.7cabd.155c1471f2b.Webtop.56@optonline.net> Message-ID: <577DAFFB.2040304@verizon.net> Interesting and probably useful ...robert On 07/06/2016 17:35, stan levandowski wrote: > This website just came to my attention. Perhaps it might be of interest > to others. > > http://www.bandconditions.com/ > > > Stan WB2LQF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Jul 6 21:29:33 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 18:29:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <7b0c661f-4011-f675-0a50-3d97411962fc@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <244A717A-9268-4FD2-A824-ECF51DDEA7CF@elecraft.com> Bill, I think you'll really like the KX2 (I have one of the "other rigs," too, which I use for 2m/440). The KX2 has one-third the current drain, twice the power output, 5x larger display, IF DSP, ATU, DVR, built-in data modes, attached keyer paddle and a built-in mic. Oh, and it's half the size/weight. Have fun! 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Bill wrote: > Phil, > > That's my issue. I just want it. The KX1 will have to go even though I am > sentimentally attached as a field tester. I sold off the FT K2 #35, was > sorry about it, bought another and then finally gave in and sold it too. > The KX1 is super handy but I like using SSB and had a short but eventful use > of the Yaesu FT 817 with many mods, which was so limited in many aspects > except as pedestrian mobile which gave me great success on 17m. The KX2 > looks perfect for what I love to do on occasion without the hassle and short > battery life of the 817. I have an HT for 2 and 440 which I rarely use. > The KX3 and K3 do the rest. The IC7000, TS2000 and KAT500 are going on the > auction blocks to make way. I rarely use these. > > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil > Wheeler > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 5:06 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 > > Good discussion/comparison here > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX2%20FAQ%20v-1-2.pdf > > But I bought mine because I wanted one, Ruchan; best, small QRP rig ever, > IMO. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 7/6/16 2:56 PM, Ruchan Ozatay wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Since I have fully loaded KX3, KXPA100 and PX3. >> >> Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? >> >> Any comment would be very much appreciated. >> >> Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to k9yeq at live.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Jul 6 22:03:52 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 19:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <7b0c661f-4011-f675-0a50-3d97411962fc@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <6aa325bc-910c-4a78-da9a-a85cf01d5f5e@socal.rr.com> I know what you mean, Bill. I become attached more to a rig I've built than the others. My up-to-date K2/100 is still in use in one of my two operating locations, along with the KX2. The KX3 and K3 are in the primary shack. Like you I need to downsize my equipment inventory a bit, though the four above will stay because they are in use. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/6/16 6:13 PM, Bill wrote: > Phil, > > That's my issue. I just want it. The KX1 will have to go even though I am > sentimentally attached as a field tester. I sold off the FT K2 #35, was > sorry about it, bought another and then finally gave in and sold it too. > The KX1 is super handy but I like using SSB and had a short but eventful use > of the Yaesu FT 817 with many mods, which was so limited in many aspects > except as pedestrian mobile which gave me great success on 17m. The KX2 > looks perfect for what I love to do on occasion without the hassle and short > battery life of the 817. I have an HT for 2 and 440 which I rarely use. > The KX3 and K3 do the rest. The IC7000, TS2000 and KAT500 are going on the > auction blocks to make way. I rarely use these. > > Bill > K9YEQ From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Jul 6 22:24:51 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 19:24:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bewildering K3/KPA500 power cycling. In-Reply-To: <3fc3b6d7-240e-dcaf-07f9-4221176407e7@triconet.org> References: <17ba3bc5-8b59-5f48-9102-0633cd539872@triconet.org> <3fc3b6d7-240e-dcaf-07f9-4221176407e7@triconet.org> Message-ID: <06EEB8B6-D069-443F-A7B8-BF074FC416A5@me.com> Did you check the VGA cable to make sure that all pins were straight-through and none connected together? Standard VGA cables break this rule and have several common pins. This, of course will wreak havoc with the AUX IO system since it requires all pins to be separate. It also means that some things will be connected improperly on the KPA500 (or the K3) which will give very unpleasant surprises. - Jack, W6FB > On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Thanks. I use a VGA cable, modified by breaking off the unneeded pins. I missed one. > > On 7/6/2016 1:28 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> Nope. You need to check the aux io cable. I would bet the power-on pin is connected on both sides. It should not be. Fix that and the KPA should behave normally. >> >> Jack, W6FB >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From wd4elg at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 6 22:56:15 2016 From: wd4elg at triad.rr.com (Mark Lunday) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:56:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? Message-ID: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> I want to ask some questions to help me understand the thinking behind the KX2 (and the KX3) because I am not fully understanding some things. I am a current owner of an LNR MTR3B. 39 years in the hobby, but new to TRUE QRP. Did I make a sub-optimal decision with the MTR3B? (Yes, I WANT a KX2. I have drooled over the KX3 since it was first produced. And I used a friend's K2, so I am a fan, but did I make the BEST choice?) I see three use cases for the small QRP rig in this category: * QRO home station, with an amplifier. * QRP home station. * QRP portable station (NOT FIELD DAY). This is where I get confused. Why would someone purchase all those features in KX2/KX3? I have the following REQUIREMENTS: * Minimize the weight * Simplify the operation * Maximize the operating time * Use efficient and easy-to-install antennas * Maximize the possibility of a QSO, any QSO I have the following OBJECTIVES: * Have fun * Improve my QRP skill * Learn about station optimization * See how far I can work * See if I can get a few DX and as many states as possible * Enrich my time outdoors by including my lifelong hobby of ham radio Again, why buy a KX2 or KX3? Let's take PRICE out of the equation for this thread. That's not a good metric for me in this QRP portable use case analysis, because my SELECTION of FEATURES that fulfill the requirements will dictate what I need to pay in order to MEET those requirements. (The XYL sees it differently, but if the KX2 or KX3 meets the requirements best, then that is what I want to purchase.) And let us call the weight, size and battery consumption as even factors, none wins over the other for this argument. So here goes the analysis: * Why do I need all those bands with the KX2/KX3? I am not going to erect an 80 meter end fed (too long) or a compromise 80 meter antenna for QRP ops in the park, as that won't maximize my objectives. 40/30/20 should do it. Anything higher than 20 will, in the coming sunspot lull (already here?) render QRP operations quite difficult (not impossible, but a huge investment of time for little return). Notwithstanding sporadic E, I don't understand why those other bands would be of benefit now for QRP Portable operation. * Why do I need all those filters and awesome DSP capabilities with the KX2/KX3? I plan to use CW only to maximize QSO possibility.and I am going to only call the strongest stations that my rig will hear. Why would I need to filter so I can hear weak signals that I won't be calling anyway? And I don't see the benefit of chasing DX in a pileup, using an offset, when I am QRP on an end-fed wire on a picnic bench in a park. * Why do I need SSB with the KX2/KX3? See previous bullet item regarding CW only. * Who do I need digital modes with the KX2/KX3? (In fact, why does Elecraft provide the two digital modes most susceptible to QSB, fading and interference? (How many RTTY QRP operators do I know? None. The old-timers I work on HF are all running high power. And many of the PSK QRP guys have gone to JT65 or JT9. I get why Elecraft did this, because PSK and RTTY have been around a long time, but why not add in some additional digital modes that would increase my QSO chances with portable QRP?) * Why do I need 10 watts with the KX2 or KX3, or SDR, or firmware updates? It's no longer QRP at 10 watts, and QRP is why I am out on the picnic bench with the end-fed and the rig in the first place. I won't have a tablet with me. The rig is the rig, it is simple and no need for updates. Use case #3 (and ONLY use case #3), QRP portable, I don't see why the KX2 or KX3 is a better fit than the KX1 (or my MTR3B). Maybe KX2 or KX3 is better BECAUSE IT COVERS more than one use case, but I already have a rig in my shack with lots of nice features. If we consider the Field Day use case, THAT is where the KX2 or KX3 is THE RIG to have (filters, digital modes, antenna tuner). But that's not part of my use case #3, it is a special one-off scenario that has its own set of requirements and objectives that are DIFFERENT than the ones I listed above. Comments/critiques welcome. Did I make a sub-optimal decision with my MTR3B? Maybe I should get rid of all my other gear so I can get a KX2 or KX3 so I can do it all with one rig? Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4elg at arrl.net From K5WA at Comcast.net Wed Jul 6 23:01:28 2016 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> I forgot who I responded to about setting up a KX2 with N1MM and a single USB cable recently but I need to revise my answer. The answer I gave assumed the DTR/RTS lines were assignable to CW or PTT like the K3 does however since the KX2 (like the KX3, I believe) doesn't have DTR/RTS lines assignable in the rig, you need to send ASCII streams to the KX2 in order to use F-keys within N1MM. I just got my new KX2 today (love it!!) and started playing with it when I discovered there weren't any DTR/RTS signals to use. A way to send ASCII streams via F-keys with N1MM (and probably other contest software F keys) is to follow the examples below and write whatever messages you want once you've gotten the basic {CATA1ASC KY ;} piece in place. These are a few messages I started playing with so you can see some possibilities but the permutations are endless to get exactly what you want. The only downside I found was that I can't use N1MM's "autosend" feature (which is meant to save you from having to hit the enter key every time). I like autosend set at 2 characters past the number but when I try to use it, the calls over 2 characters past the number get mangled when being sent. I'm guessing that the ASCII string is interrupted once the rig switches to transmit and therefore the call sending is mangled. Maybe there is a workaround that I have not discovered yet but I doubt many folks are going to be doing lots of contesting with a KX2 anyway so it really isn't much of a downside. I can imagine I'll be on a business trip or a vacation trip and want to toss out a few contacts to the serious contesters using my mini-notebook and KX2 so hitting enter won't be too big a hassle. ;-) Hope this helps someone but I have not extensively checked each one of the entries below so play with yours to get it right if I made a mistake. Most should be right though as I played around in a simulated contest to get these working. Bob K5WA F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC KY k5wa k5wa test;} F2 EXCH,{CATA1ASC KY ! {EXCH};} F3 TU,{CATA1ASC KY tu * test {CLEARRIT};} F4 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY!;} F5 K5WA,{CATA1ASC KY *;} F6 AGN,{CATA1ASC KY agn?;} F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F8 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F9 S&&P,{CATA1ASC KY{S&P};} F10 Call & Exc,{CATA1ASC KY{!} {EXCH};} F11 CQ (long),{CATA1ASC KY CQ CQ TEST K5WA K5WA;} F12 Wipe,{CATA1ASC KY{WIPE};} # ################### # S&P Messages ################### F1 Qrl?,{CATA1ASC KY QRL? K5WA;} F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC KY 5nn {EXCH};} F3 Tu,{CATA1ASC KY{!} tu{LOG};} F4 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY{!};} F5 K5WA,{CATA1ASC KY K5WA;} F6 AGN,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F8 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F9 RUN,{CATA1ASC KY {RUN};} F10 Call & Exc,{CATA1ASC KY{!} {EXCH};} F11 F12 Wipe,{CATA1ASC KY{WIPE};} From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Jul 6 23:59:15 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 23:59:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> References: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> Message-ID: You can build a pair of simple transistor witches into a DE-9 shell and add cables for TX, RX, DTR, and RTS with the proper plugs and it will ?look? like a K3 to your software. ?bill nr4c > On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:01 PM, K5WA wrote: > > I forgot who I responded to about setting up a KX2 with N1MM and a single > USB cable recently but I need to revise my answer. The answer I gave > assumed the DTR/RTS lines were assignable to CW or PTT like the K3 does > however since the KX2 (like the KX3, I believe) doesn't have DTR/RTS lines > assignable in the rig, you need to send ASCII streams to the KX2 in order to > use F-keys within N1MM. I just got my new KX2 today (love it!!) and started > playing with it when I discovered there weren't any DTR/RTS signals to use. > A way to send ASCII streams via F-keys with N1MM (and probably other contest > software F keys) is to follow the examples below and write whatever messages > you want once you've gotten the basic {CATA1ASC KY ;} piece in place. > These are a few messages I started playing with so you can see some > possibilities but the permutations are endless to get exactly what you want. > The only downside I found was that I can't use N1MM's "autosend" feature > (which is meant to save you from having to hit the enter key every time). > I like autosend set at 2 characters past the number but when I try to use > it, the calls over 2 characters past the number get mangled when being sent. > I'm guessing that the ASCII string is interrupted once the rig switches to > transmit and therefore the call sending is mangled. Maybe there is a > workaround that I have not discovered yet but I doubt many folks are going > to be doing lots of contesting with a KX2 anyway so it really isn't much of > a downside. I can imagine I'll be on a business trip or a vacation trip and > want to toss out a few contacts to the serious contesters using my > mini-notebook and KX2 so hitting enter won't be too big a hassle. ;-) > > Hope this helps someone but I have not extensively checked each one of the > entries below so play with yours to get it right if I made a mistake. Most > should be right though as I played around in a simulated contest to get > these working. > > Bob K5WA > > > F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC KY k5wa k5wa test;} > F2 EXCH,{CATA1ASC KY ! {EXCH};} > F3 TU,{CATA1ASC KY tu * test {CLEARRIT};} > F4 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY!;} > F5 K5WA,{CATA1ASC KY *;} > F6 AGN,{CATA1ASC KY agn?;} > F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} > F8 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} > F9 S&&P,{CATA1ASC KY{S&P};} > F10 Call & Exc,{CATA1ASC KY{!} {EXCH};} > F11 CQ (long),{CATA1ASC KY CQ CQ TEST K5WA K5WA;} > F12 Wipe,{CATA1ASC KY{WIPE};} > # > ################### > # S&P Messages > ################### > F1 Qrl?,{CATA1ASC KY QRL? K5WA;} > F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC KY 5nn {EXCH};} > F3 Tu,{CATA1ASC KY{!} tu{LOG};} > F4 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY{!};} > F5 K5WA,{CATA1ASC KY K5WA;} > F6 AGN,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} > F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} > F8 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} > F9 RUN,{CATA1ASC KY {RUN};} > F10 Call & Exc,{CATA1ASC KY{!} {EXCH};} > F11 > F12 Wipe,{CATA1ASC KY{WIPE};} > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Jul 7 00:28:43 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:28:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bewildering K3/KPA500 power cycling. In-Reply-To: <06EEB8B6-D069-443F-A7B8-BF074FC416A5@me.com> References: <17ba3bc5-8b59-5f48-9102-0633cd539872@triconet.org> <3fc3b6d7-240e-dcaf-07f9-4221176407e7@triconet.org> <06EEB8B6-D069-443F-A7B8-BF074FC416A5@me.com> Message-ID: Yes, I'm using SVGA extension cables ($2.80 @Cable Wholesale) that are straight through. The male) ends have the the unneeded/unused pins broken out. I had missed removing a pin 8. It's gone now and all is well. On 7/6/2016 7:24 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Did you check the VGA cable to make sure that all pins were straight-through and none connected together? Standard VGA cables break this rule and have several common pins. This, of course will wreak havoc with the AUX IO system since it requires all pins to be separate. It also means that some things will be connected improperly on the KPA500 (or the K3) which will give very unpleasant surprises. > > - Jack, W6FB > > >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> Thanks. I use a VGA cable, modified by breaking off the unneeded pins. I missed one. >> >> On 7/6/2016 1:28 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>> Nope. You need to check the aux io cable. I would bet the power-on pin is connected on both sides. It should not be. Fix that and the KPA should behave normally. >>> >>> Jack, W6FB >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > From graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk Thu Jul 7 02:32:11 2016 From: graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk (graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:32:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] funcube on K3 IF output Message-ID: <693831092.4734092.1467873131991.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> Hi All Thanks to Joe W4TV & Alan N1AL for the replies. Looks like it's not worth the effort, although would work if CQ'ing in contests and just tuning on FCD. Will stick to using CWSkimmer & FCD. Thanks again Guys for taking the time to reply. Gray G3VIP From egrimseid at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 03:39:36 2016 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:39:36 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish Message-ID: When switching to data modes, the mic btn and mic bias settings in the menu is disabled. I use vox in some settings and have rigged a cable with ptt for my TNC. Also if i forget to turn of mic bias before connecting my smartphone, the phone goes crazy and thinks I'm pushing buttons on my headset. With the current firmware I have to go to voice mode, change settings and then back to data A mode. Would it be possible to enable changing mic settings in data mode? 73 De LA4TTA Erlend From drunkkennedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 06:34:54 2016 From: drunkkennedy at gmail.com (JJ) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:34:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] funcube on K3 IF output Message-ID: On 7/6/2016 11:36 AM, graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk wrote: >* Hi All *>>* I have been trying the Funcube PRO + dongle connected to the IF *>* output on the K3. It works fine, displaying sigs in a 180khz passband *>* centered on 8215 EG setting the FCD to 8215 khz & tuning the K3 to *>* 10100 (A RTTY WX stn) this stn is still visible on the FCD display *>* with the K3 is tuned to 10180 khz. Is there anyway to prevent the *>* frequency changing when tuning on the K3 VFO? I noted this is *>* possible when using a P3, does this use software built into the P3 or *>* does it send commands back to the K3? *>>* Gray G3VIP* Hi Gray, You don't say what software you're running but I have SDR Console running with a SDRPlay. In the External Radio window is a "?". When you click it, a window will open. Under Radio (Omni Rig) you will have Tracking Options for both Fre & Mode. SDR=>Radio Radio=>SDR HDSDR has tracking options as well. 73, Jon WS1K From btippett at alum.mit.edu Thu Jul 7 06:59:21 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 03:59:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> References: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1467889161060-7619721.post@n2.nabble.com> The essence of what you stated is that the 2 rigs are apples and oranges. Having built several of KD1JV's QRP rigs (starting with the ATS-2 in 2004) they are for minimalists (weight, power, bands, modes and cost). I've used my ATS-3, Weber (i.e. KD1JV) Tri-Bander and K2 for SOTA activations, general field operating and QRP events like QRPTTF, FOBB, etc. My favorite for lightweight field QRP is the Tri-Bander mainly because it has a KNOB VFO in addition to reasonable size and weight. I find tuning by the up/down push buttons in most KD1JV rigs to be very painful if you do much S&P (which is necessary since you will be W E A K). Remember that many no-code licensees today who want to do field operations must use SSB out of necessity. Once they become enlightened that CW is a vastly better mode for QRP, then they may consider ultralite rigs like the MTR. The KX2/KX3 are undoubtedly the top of the line for full-featured QRP operations, but I wouldn't lose a bit of sleep agonizing over your decision, based on your planned usage. I do hope you don't eventually regret the push button VFO tuning (as I did) but you can always opt for the Tri-Bander as a reasonable alternative. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Why-buy-a-KX2-KX3-compared-to-a-KX1-MTR3B-in-a-QRP-portable-scenario-tp7619714p7619721.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tcrayner at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 08:09:09 2016 From: tcrayner at gmail.com (Tom Crayner) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:09:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: <8D0A2A39-FB76-4FFB-A533-B87923020813@elecraft.com> References: <8D0A2A39-FB76-4FFB-A533-B87923020813@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, Your comment about VK prompted me to write... while on vacation last week I was sitting on a balcony overlooking the James River in Virginia operating a KX2 on 40m with 5 watts of power using JT65 into a magloop. After working a few stations I opened up PSK Reporter to see that VK stations had been reporting my signal. :-) Anyway, my real reason for writing, the 2.66 code on the KX2 was great to work with for digital operations.No fussing with modes while jumping between different MIC settings, audio cables and such. A real pleasure to work with the radio now... Thanks! Tom, W2YF On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Ruchan, > > I'm inherently biased, of course, but here's my personal reasoning: I > wanted an all-band/multi-mode radio the size of an HT that put out 10 watts > from internal battery and could be taken virtually anywhere. The KX2 is > that rig. I can pack my entire station--including the KX2, mini-mic, > adapters, paddle, log sheet, a whip and two lengths of antenna wire--into > our CS40 padded bag. Everything weighs just under 2 pounds. > > I've been anxious to build something like this ever since my Elmer told me > about working VK from CA using an 11-meter walkie-talkie during the 1957 > sunspot peak. This was in the 1970s when, as a teen, I first started > building my own gear. But I couldn't even have imagined the construction > techniques our engineering staff would employ to get the KX2 packed into > half the space of the KX3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Ruchan Ozatay ta2ah at outlook.com wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > Since I have fully loaded KX3, KXPA100 and PX3. > > > > Can anybody tell me why I should buy also a KX2? > > > > Any comment would be very much appreciated. > > > > Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tcrayner at gmail.com > From fcady at montana.edu Thu Jul 7 08:14:59 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:14:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> References: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> Message-ID: When using KY commands in N1MM does hitting escape stop the transmission? If no, that would be a disadvantage to me. A couple of transistor switches, actually just one because you don't need PTT usually, is pretty easy to build. There are lots of examples of circuits out there. Cheers, Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of K5WA Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys I forgot who I responded to about setting up a KX2 with N1MM and a single USB cable recently but I need to revise my answer. The answer I gave assumed the DTR/RTS lines were assignable to CW or PTT like the K3 does however since the KX2 (like the KX3, I believe) doesn't have DTR/RTS lines assignable in the rig, you need to send ASCII streams to the KX2 in order to use F-keys within N1MM. I just got my new KX2 today (love it!!) and started playing with it when I discovered there weren't any DTR/RTS signals to use. A way to send ASCII streams via F-keys with N1MM (and probably other contest software F keys) is to follow the examples below and write whatever messages you want once you've gotten the basic {CATA1ASC KY ;} piece in place. These are a few messages I started playing with so you can see some possibilities but the permutations are endless to get exactly what you want. The only downside I found was that I can't use N1MM's "autosend" feature (which is meant to save you from having to hit the enter key every time). I like autosend set at 2 characters past the number but when I try to use it, the calls over 2 characters past the number get mangled when being sent. I'm guessing that the ASCII string is interrupted once the rig switches to transmit and therefore the call sending is mangled. Maybe there is a workaround that I have not discovered yet but I doubt many folks are going to be doing lots of contesting with a KX2 anyway so it really isn't much of a downside. I can imagine I'll be on a business trip or a vacation trip and want to toss out a few contacts to the serious contesters using my mini-notebook and KX2 so hitting enter won't be too big a hassle. ;-) Hope this helps someone but I have not extensively checked each one of the entries below so play with yours to get it right if I made a mistake. Most should be right though as I played around in a simulated contest to get these working. Bob K5WA F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC KY k5wa k5wa test;} F2 EXCH,{CATA1ASC KY ! {EXCH};} F3 TU,{CATA1ASC KY tu * test {CLEARRIT};} F4 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY!;} F5 K5WA,{CATA1ASC KY *;} F6 AGN,{CATA1ASC KY agn?;} F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F8 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F9 S&&P,{CATA1ASC KY{S&P};} F10 Call & Exc,{CATA1ASC KY{!} {EXCH};} F11 CQ (long),{CATA1ASC KY CQ CQ TEST K5WA K5WA;} F12 Wipe,{CATA1ASC KY{WIPE};} # ################### # S&P Messages ################### F1 Qrl?,{CATA1ASC KY QRL? K5WA;} F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC KY 5nn {EXCH};} F3 Tu,{CATA1ASC KY{!} tu{LOG};} F4 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY{!};} F5 K5WA,{CATA1ASC KY K5WA;} F6 AGN,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F8 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ?;} F9 RUN,{CATA1ASC KY {RUN};} F10 Call & Exc,{CATA1ASC KY{!} {EXCH};} F11 F12 Wipe,{CATA1ASC KY{WIPE};} ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From lightdazzled at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 08:19:42 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:19:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> References: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I have a KX3 and a KX1. I still use the KX1 sometimes for SOTA portable even when weight is not a big consideration, simply because I enjoy using a simpler rig. Still make plenty of QSO's and it is just a bit more challenging and gratifying since it is a more primitive rig. Really the KX3 offers much improved ease of use. Better built-in ATU, which can make a difference when moving to different bands and using random wire type antennas. NIce VFO. Informative display. etc. etc. Use what you you enjoy using! Chip AE5KA On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Mark Lunday wrote: > I want to ask some questions to help me understand the thinking behind the > KX2 (and the KX3) because I am not fully understanding some things. I am a > current owner of an LNR MTR3B. 39 years in the hobby, but new to TRUE QRP. > Did I make a sub-optimal decision with the MTR3B? (Yes, I WANT a KX2. I > have drooled over the KX3 since it was first produced. And I used a > friend's K2, so I am a fan, but did I make the BEST choice?) > > I see three use cases for the small QRP rig in this category: > * QRO home station, with an amplifier. > * QRP home station. > * QRP portable station (NOT FIELD DAY). This is where I get > confused. > Why would someone purchase all those features in KX2/KX3? > > I have the following REQUIREMENTS: > * Minimize the weight > * Simplify the operation > * Maximize the operating time > * Use efficient and easy-to-install antennas > * Maximize the possibility of a QSO, any QSO > > I have the following OBJECTIVES: > * Have fun > * Improve my QRP skill > * Learn about station optimization > * See how far I can work > * See if I can get a few DX and as many states as possible > * Enrich my time outdoors by including my lifelong hobby of ham radio > > Again, why buy a KX2 or KX3? Let's take PRICE out of the equation for this > thread. That's not a good metric for me in this QRP portable use case > analysis, because my SELECTION of FEATURES that fulfill the requirements > will dictate what I need to pay in order to MEET those requirements. (The > XYL sees it differently, but if the KX2 or KX3 meets the requirements best, > then that is what I want to purchase.) And let us call the weight, size > and > battery consumption as even factors, none wins over the other for this > argument. So here goes the analysis: > > * Why do I need all those bands with the KX2/KX3? I am not going to > erect an 80 meter end fed (too long) or a compromise 80 meter antenna for > QRP ops in the park, as that won't maximize my objectives. 40/30/20 should > do it. Anything higher than 20 will, in the coming sunspot lull (already > here?) render QRP operations quite difficult (not impossible, but a huge > investment of time for little return). Notwithstanding sporadic E, I don't > understand why those other bands would be of benefit now for QRP Portable > operation. > > * Why do I need all those filters and awesome DSP capabilities with > the KX2/KX3? I plan to use CW only to maximize QSO possibility.and I am > going to only call the strongest stations that my rig will hear. Why would > I need to filter so I can hear weak signals that I won't be calling anyway? > And I don't see the benefit of chasing DX in a pileup, using an offset, > when > I am QRP on an end-fed wire on a picnic bench in a park. > > * Why do I need SSB with the KX2/KX3? See previous bullet item > regarding CW only. > > * Who do I need digital modes with the KX2/KX3? (In fact, why does > Elecraft provide the two digital modes most susceptible to QSB, fading and > interference? (How many RTTY QRP operators do I know? None. The > old-timers I work on HF are all running high power. And many of the PSK > QRP > guys have gone to JT65 or JT9. I get why Elecraft did this, because PSK > and > RTTY have been around a long time, but why not add in some additional > digital modes that would increase my QSO chances with portable QRP?) > > * Why do I need 10 watts with the KX2 or KX3, or SDR, or firmware > updates? It's no longer QRP at 10 watts, and QRP is why I am out on the > picnic bench with the end-fed and the rig in the first place. I won't have > a tablet with me. The rig is the rig, it is simple and no need for > updates. > > Use case #3 (and ONLY use case #3), QRP portable, I don't see why the KX2 > or > KX3 is a better fit than the KX1 (or my MTR3B). Maybe KX2 or KX3 is better > BECAUSE IT COVERS more than one use case, but I already have a rig in my > shack with lots of nice features. > > If we consider the Field Day use case, THAT is where the KX2 or KX3 is THE > RIG to have (filters, digital modes, antenna tuner). But that's not part > of > my use case #3, it is a special one-off scenario that has its own set of > requirements and objectives that are DIFFERENT than the ones I listed > above. > > Comments/critiques welcome. Did I make a sub-optimal decision with my > MTR3B? Maybe I should get rid of all my other gear so I can get a KX2 or > KX3 so I can do it all with one rig? > > Mark Lunday, WD4ELG > Greensboro, NC FM06be > wd4elg at arrl.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 7 08:43:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:43:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> References: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <5e26d5dc-9ba3-be8f-e59e-be808d5d839d@embarqmail.com> Mark, If you want one transceiver to fill all your use cases, then I believe the full featured KX2 or KX3 would be your choice. It offers home station features along with field portability (unplug the cables and pick it up to go with you). The receive sensitivity is more than adequate for home station use, and that same sensitivity is useful when working in the field with compromise antennas - if you can't hear them, you can't work them. The internal ATU can handle a wide range of antennas. The KX2 has an internal microphone, so you don't have to take a microphone along to the field to operate SSB. Want to work PSK or RTTY from the field? The KX2/KX3 can send PSK or RTTY by keying with the paddle and can decode received signals and display them in the VFO B display area. I cannot answer whether you made a good or a bad choice, but if you want a small transceiver that can "do it all" in one package, then I believe the KX2 or the KX3 is the obvious choice. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/6/2016 10:56 PM, Mark Lunday wrote: > I want to ask some questions to help me understand the thinking behind the > KX2 (and the KX3) because I am not fully understanding some things. I am a > current owner of an LNR MTR3B. 39 years in the hobby, but new to TRUE QRP. > Did I make a sub-optimal decision with the MTR3B? (Yes, I WANT a KX2. I > have drooled over the KX3 since it was first produced. And I used a > friend's K2, so I am a fan, but did I make the BEST choice?) > > I see three use cases for the small QRP rig in this category: > * QRO home station, with an amplifier. > * QRP home station. > * QRP portable station (NOT FIELD DAY). This is where I get confused. > Why would someone purchase all those features in KX2/KX3? > > From k3ydx at yahoo.com Thu Jul 7 09:05:54 2016 From: k3ydx at yahoo.com (Hank) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:05:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Malware Message-ID: <9AC060FA-D12F-4419-B3AA-2DFE87CD9D7B@yahoo.com> If you got an email supposedly from me with a link, DO NOT CLICK ON IT OR OPEN IT, My yahoo account got hacked apparently. There would be no accompanying text in that email which should always make you suspicious. Sorry for this. Regards, Hank Hanburger From ml.hogan at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 09:12:00 2016 From: ml.hogan at gmail.com (Mark Hogan) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 00909 for sale Message-ID: Contact me direct please KX1 00909 for sale 400.00 shipped USPS insured CONUS only 20-30-40-80 KXB3080 KXPD1 Paddle KXAT1 internal tuner Pelican 1060 case I bought it used, the tuner wasn't always working every time so I contacted Don Wilhelm who gave me some troubleshooting tips, but I ultimately sent it to him for him to correct it, tune and aligned it. Over the past year its sat on my desk at work while we cleaned up our house, sold it and are now living in part of the garage of another house while we remodel, add on and later this year occupy the real part of it. I have sadly had no radio time, will not until the house and land are done so this needs to go to fund a new drawer microwave that is over and above our appliance allotment. Pictures here http://btfom.blogspot.com/2016/07/kx1.html -- Mark Hogan N5OBC From crustacean at brig-elec.com Thu Jul 7 09:14:16 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 09:14:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1467897256.3370.0.camel@arabica> I would like to second that request! On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 09:39 +0200, Erlend Grimseid wrote: > When switching to data modes, the mic btn and mic bias settings in the menu > is disabled. > I use vox in some settings and have rigged a cable with ptt for my TNC. > Also if i forget to turn of mic bias before connecting my smartphone, the > phone goes crazy and thinks I'm pushing buttons on my headset. > > With the current firmware I have to go to voice mode, change settings and > then back to data A mode. > > > Would it be possible to enable changing mic settings in data mode? > > 73 > De > LA4TTA > Erlend > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From ve3iay at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 09:44:15 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:44:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: Fred Cady KE7X wrote: > When using KY commands in N1MM does hitting escape stop the transmission? No, it does not. This is only one of several limitations of this method in N1MM+ - see < http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Serial+Parallel+and+Sound+Card+Interfacing#Choosing_Your_CW_Method> for a list. 73, Rich VE3KI From K5WA at Comcast.net Thu Jul 7 10:26:19 2016 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:26:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: References: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> Message-ID: <015701d1d85b$8830d420$98927c60$@net> Fred, One tap of the paddle stops transmission when using KY so you really don't need ESC. Bob K5WA From: Cady, Fred [mailto:fcady at montana.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:15 AM To: K5WA; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys When using KY commands in N1MM does hitting escape stop the transmission? If no, that would be a disadvantage to me. A couple of transistor switches, actually just one because you don't need PTT usually, is pretty easy to build. There are lots of examples of circuits out there. Cheers, Fred KE7X From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Jul 7 10:43:58 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:43:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <015701d1d85b$8830d420$98927c60$@net> References: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> <015701d1d85b$8830d420$98927c60$@net> Message-ID: <1049C198-85E9-4B14-8F9D-90E4BF33C0E9@widomaker.com> From my own experience, KY commands work but are clumsy, and there is a l limit to how many characters can be sent with one command, The simple switching circuit is quite easy to do and works extremely well, All it takes is a 2N2222 transistor with base connected to the proper pin (4 or 7) thru a 1.2K (1k -1.5K) Ohm resistor, The collector goes to the plug shield and the emitter goes to the tip of the plug. Plug this into the standard KUSB or standard serial cable. ?bc nr4c > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:26 AM, K5WA wrote: > > Fred, > > One tap of the paddle stops transmission when using KY so you really don't > need ESC. > > Bob K5WA > > From: Cady, Fred [mailto:fcady at montana.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:15 AM > To: K5WA; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys > > When using KY commands in N1MM does hitting escape stop the transmission? > If no, that would be a disadvantage to me. A couple of transistor switches, > actually just one because you don't need PTT usually, is pretty easy to > build. There are lots of examples of circuits out there. > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From gallsup at whoi.edu Thu Jul 7 11:06:46 2016 From: gallsup at whoi.edu (geoff allsup) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:06:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: <1467897256.3370.0.camel@arabica> References: <1467897256.3370.0.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <78911ca6-68cf-f1f3-330c-f814aca9fb17@whoi.edu> already done in the latest beta MCU 2.66 according to Elecraft website geoff - W1OH On 7/7/16 09:14, John Pitz wrote: > I would like to second that request! > > > > On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 09:39 +0200, Erlend Grimseid wrote: > >> When switching to data modes, the mic btn and mic bias settings in the menu >> is disabled. >> I use vox in some settings and have rigged a cable with ptt for my TNC. >> Also if i forget to turn of mic bias before connecting my smartphone, the >> phone goes crazy and thinks I'm pushing buttons on my headset. >> >> With the current firmware I have to go to voice mode, change settings and >> then back to data A mode. >> >> >> Would it be possible to enable changing mic settings in data mode? >> >> 73 >> De >> LA4TTA >> Erlend >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gallsup at whoi.edu > -- ******************************************************************* Geoff Allsup, W1OH gallsup at whoi.edu or w1oh at whoi.edu Senior Engineer Upper Ocean Processes Group Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA, USA ******************************************************************* From fred at fmeco.com Thu Jul 7 11:13:29 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:13:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: <1467897256.3370.0.camel@arabica> References: <1467897256.3370.0.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <51886504-4e41-71a0-b034-9624b7313689@fmeco.com> I actually like it working as it is. When I go into data mode I don't have to turn off the bias etc.. I think that is why it works the way it does.. Fred On 7/7/16 9:14 AM, John Pitz wrote: > I would like to second that request! > > > > On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 09:39 +0200, Erlend Grimseid wrote: > >> When switching to data modes, the mic btn and mic bias settings in the menu >> is disabled. >> I use vox in some settings and have rigged a cable with ptt for my TNC. >> Also if i forget to turn of mic bias before connecting my smartphone, the >> phone goes crazy and thinks I'm pushing buttons on my headset. >> >> With the current firmware I have to go to voice mode, change settings and >> then back to data A mode. >> >> >> Would it be possible to enable changing mic settings in data mode? >> >> 73 >> De >> LA4TTA >> Erlend >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From k3ndm at comcast.net Thu Jul 7 11:26:05 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 15:26:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Mark, You ask some good questions and have a clear set of requirements. First, I'm not familiar with the LNR MTR3B and I do own a KX3 and matching amplifier. I do use my KX3 for Field Day in running QRP and solar powered. To me it represents the do everything right radio. However, I don't have the one requirement you and Wayne have of operating a QRP rig out in the park or off a mountain top. And, I don't know how many radios you want in your inventory so that you meet your entire requirement set. Let me also add that I have a KX1 and once had a K2. My thinking was I needed a radio for home at the 100 Watt level and Field Day to me is an imperative. I had been using a range of gear for FD and found the K2 the absolute best in the set of gear that was being used. A friend had a K1 which we used for FD, and he actually chased DX with it. However, I was thinking I might want to do PSK31 QRP away from my shack. That was the reason I added the SSB board to my K2. The K2 is larger than an FT-817 and a few other rigs so I built the KX1 with the 4 band board. I wasn't happy being limited to CW so I got the KX3 and the amplifier; I had been running a Tentec Orion II for my base radio. However, There was something I couldn't do with the Orion that Elecraft handed me, I&Q data so that I could really do an integrated home station. It became quite obvious that the KX3 could meet all of my requirements as listed in your use case. and, I could do it all with one radio. So, I retired my Orion II and am as happy as I can be. But, I don't camp, climb mountains, or walk around with a radio, except 2 meters. If you really do not intend to do anything other than QRP CW in the park, operating SOTA, etc, even a KX2 might be overkill. I would look at the KX1. It's really simple works really well and it fits in the pocket of my cargo pants. I would have preferred the K1, but I don't believe Elecraft is selling that anymore. If there is any probability that you might want PSK31 or RTTY while in the park, a KX2 would be the way to go. But if you can only handle a one radio inventory, the KX3. Performance wise the KX3 is world class. It's limited only by ambient noise and the bad signals of others. I suspect the KX2 is the same as it is fully based on the KX3, as stated by Elecraft. The KX1 will be close, but may not get fully there, but it is far more than adequate for CW in the park with a portable antenna. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mark Lunday" To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com; "'Reflector Elecraft'" Sent: 7/6/2016 10:56:15 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? >I want to ask some questions to help me understand the thinking behind >the >KX2 (and the KX3) because I am not fully understanding some things. I >am a >current owner of an LNR MTR3B. 39 years in the hobby, but new to TRUE >QRP. >Did I make a sub-optimal decision with the MTR3B? (Yes, I WANT a KX2. >I >have drooled over the KX3 since it was first produced. And I used a >friend's K2, so I am a fan, but did I make the BEST choice?) > >I see three use cases for the small QRP rig in this category: >* QRO home station, with an amplifier. >* QRP home station. >* QRP portable station (NOT FIELD DAY). This is where I get confused. >Why would someone purchase all those features in KX2/KX3? > >I have the following REQUIREMENTS: >* Minimize the weight >* Simplify the operation >* Maximize the operating time >* Use efficient and easy-to-install antennas >* Maximize the possibility of a QSO, any QSO > >I have the following OBJECTIVES: >* Have fun >* Improve my QRP skill >* Learn about station optimization >* See how far I can work >* See if I can get a few DX and as many states as possible >* Enrich my time outdoors by including my lifelong hobby of ham radio > >Again, why buy a KX2 or KX3? Let's take PRICE out of the equation for >this >thread. That's not a good metric for me in this QRP portable use case >analysis, because my SELECTION of FEATURES that fulfill the >requirements >will dictate what I need to pay in order to MEET those requirements. >(The >XYL sees it differently, but if the KX2 or KX3 meets the requirements >best, >then that is what I want to purchase.) And let us call the weight, >size and >battery consumption as even factors, none wins over the other for this >argument. So here goes the analysis: > >* Why do I need all those bands with the KX2/KX3? I am not going to >erect an 80 meter end fed (too long) or a compromise 80 meter antenna >for >QRP ops in the park, as that won't maximize my objectives. 40/30/20 >should >do it. Anything higher than 20 will, in the coming sunspot lull >(already >here?) render QRP operations quite difficult (not impossible, but a >huge >investment of time for little return). Notwithstanding sporadic E, I >don't >understand why those other bands would be of benefit now for QRP >Portable >operation. > >* Why do I need all those filters and awesome DSP capabilities with >the KX2/KX3? I plan to use CW only to maximize QSO possibility.and I >am >going to only call the strongest stations that my rig will hear. Why >would >I need to filter so I can hear weak signals that I won't be calling >anyway? >And I don't see the benefit of chasing DX in a pileup, using an offset, >when >I am QRP on an end-fed wire on a picnic bench in a park. > >* Why do I need SSB with the KX2/KX3? See previous bullet item >regarding CW only. > >* Who do I need digital modes with the KX2/KX3? (In fact, why does >Elecraft provide the two digital modes most susceptible to QSB, fading >and >interference? (How many RTTY QRP operators do I know? None. The >old-timers I work on HF are all running high power. And many of the >PSK QRP >guys have gone to JT65 or JT9. I get why Elecraft did this, because >PSK and >RTTY have been around a long time, but why not add in some additional >digital modes that would increase my QSO chances with portable QRP?) > >* Why do I need 10 watts with the KX2 or KX3, or SDR, or firmware >updates? It's no longer QRP at 10 watts, and QRP is why I am out on >the >picnic bench with the end-fed and the rig in the first place. I won't >have >a tablet with me. The rig is the rig, it is simple and no need for >updates. > >Use case #3 (and ONLY use case #3), QRP portable, I don't see why the >KX2 or >KX3 is a better fit than the KX1 (or my MTR3B). Maybe KX2 or KX3 is >better >BECAUSE IT COVERS more than one use case, but I already have a rig in >my >shack with lots of nice features. > >If we consider the Field Day use case, THAT is where the KX2 or KX3 is >THE >RIG to have (filters, digital modes, antenna tuner). But that's not >part of >my use case #3, it is a special one-off scenario that has its own set >of >requirements and objectives that are DIFFERENT than the ones I listed >above. > >Comments/critiques welcome. Did I make a sub-optimal decision with my >MTR3B? Maybe I should get rid of all my other gear so I can get a KX2 >or >KX3 so I can do it all with one rig? > >Mark Lunday, WD4ELG >Greensboro, NC FM06be >wd4elg at arrl.net > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From eric at elecraft.com Thu Jul 7 11:48:56 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:48:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2s now shipping against backlog Message-ID: We are shipping the first KXPD2 paddles today! (Mostly Dayton orders shipping this week and next.) Please hold off emailing sales for your KXPD2 order status - we are getting overloaded with status request emails. We will post a more detailed shipping status with order data vs ship date next week as we get a feel for our production rate. http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From ai6do at yahoo.com Thu Jul 7 11:53:46 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <1049C198-85E9-4B14-8F9D-90E4BF33C0E9@widomaker.com> References: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> <015701d1d85b$8830d420$98927c60$@net> <1049C198-85E9-4B14-8F9D-90E4BF33C0E9@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <571887495.3383828.1467906826852.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Can Elecraft or any other knowledgeable individual explain why the KY commands are limited to 24 characters?? This limitation seems to come up in this list or the KX3 Yahoo list about once a month, but I've never seen (or found through searching the wider web) an explanation of what drives the 24 character limit. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who could use any larger character limit, even if it's just a few additional characters. ? 73, Ryan AI6DO From: Bill Conkling To: K5WA Cc: elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys >From my own experience, KY commands work but are clumsy, and there is a l limit to how many characters can be sent with one command,? The simple switching circuit is quite easy to do and works extremely well,? All it takes is a 2N2222 transistor with base connected to the proper pin (4 or 7) thru a 1.2K (1k -1.5K) Ohm resistor,? The collector goes to the plug shield and the emitter goes to the tip of the plug. Plug this into the standard KUSB or standard serial cable. ?bc nr4c > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:26 AM, K5WA wrote: > > Fred, > > One tap of the paddle stops transmission when using KY so you really don't > need ESC.? > > Bob K5WA > > From: Cady, Fred [mailto:fcady at montana.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:15 AM > To: K5WA; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys > > When using KY commands in N1MM does hitting escape stop the transmission? > If no, that would be a disadvantage to me.? A couple of transistor switches, > actually just one because you don't need PTT usually, is pretty easy to > build.? There are lots of examples of circuits out there. > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ai6do at yahoo.com From accts at gtweb.org Thu Jul 7 11:59:10 2016 From: accts at gtweb.org (Guy Teague) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KXPD2s now shipping against backlog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi eric: i emailed you guys probably after your closing hours last night asking if you could cancel my kxpd2 order. i realize it might be too short notice and if it does ship, i won't return it. i decided to go another route on the keyer, but it never hurts to have a backup. thanks! /guy (73 de kg5vt | wqpz784) On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:48 AM, 'Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft' wa6hhq_lists at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > > > We are shipping the first KXPD2 paddles today! (Mostly Dayton orders > shipping this week and next.) > > Please hold off emailing sales for your KXPD2 order status - we are > getting overloaded with status request emails. We will post a more > detailed shipping status with order data vs ship date next week as we get > a feel for our production rate. > > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm. > > 73, > Eric > *elecraft.com * > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (1) > ------------------------------ > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email > app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your > inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email > again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > ------------------------------ > Visit Your Group > > > - New Members > > 29 > - New Photos > > 6 > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > ? Privacy ? > Unsubscribe ? Terms > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ > From ka0ncr at yahoo.com Thu Jul 7 12:08:56 2016 From: ka0ncr at yahoo.com (Arnie Grubbs) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 paddles? References: <2053589564.3360577.1467907736351.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2053589564.3360577.1467907736351.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Just wondering if anyone has gotten the paddles yet for the KX2? Yes, I know there is an update on the Elecraft shipping page, but I find it hard to trust given that the date shows "Expected to Ship by this Friday, July 10, 2016 (or earlier)" in 2016 July 10th is a Sunday... 73 Arnie KA0NCR From lmarion at mt.net Thu Jul 7 12:10:13 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:10:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2s now shipping against backlog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <030f01d1d86a$0c90e350$25b2a9f0$@mt.net> Good, I hope mine gets here so I can show off the KX2 ant the Glacier/Waterton hamfest at Glacier Park next week. Hope my Kpod is somewhere too. There's a spot where my hand rests on the desk when I relax in my chair that's waiting for it. :) Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:49 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector ; KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2s now shipping against backlog We are shipping the first KXPD2 paddles today! (Mostly Dayton orders shipping this week and next.) Please hold off emailing sales for your KXPD2 order status - we are getting overloaded with status request emails. We will post a more detailed shipping status with order data vs ship date next week as we get a feel for our production rate. http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From inventor61 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 12:09:35 2016 From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:09:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] custom LiFePO4 pack Message-ID: Gents Recently I saw some commentary regarding a LiFePO4 pack for the K2. There is already one made specifically for the application, intended to replace the gel cell option in the rig and to use the bracket provided for same. The picture on the web link below is slightly inaccurate in that the wiring pigtail has a 'flying' lead so it is a 1:1 replacement for the Elecraft gel cell assembly. http://www.batteryspace.com/custom-lifepo4-18650-battery-12-8v-4500-mah-57-6wh-7a-rate-w-pcb-and-connector.aspx As a *very* happy owner of this pack, I have to share that I am not affiliated with the producer in any way. This pack is purposefully made to charge using a LiFePO4 charger, available from the battery supplier, via the radio's DC input jack, and works with the battery switch on the K2 in a manner according to specifications I provided. Several design options were considered in the process of creating the specs and I believe the best balance of these were selected. When I am charging the internal pack with the LiFePO4 charger I am not operating the radio (although it is possible); when I am operating from mains, I use the KX33 supply from Pro Audio Engineering. In some qualitative testing I am able to get roughly 80% more operating time per charge than I was with the gel cell and at less weight. The K2 is aging gracefully. Newer radios for field use beckon but still manage only to be just peers, not better. Steve KZ1X From lenecee at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 7 12:09:22 2016 From: lenecee at ca.rr.com (Len Chesler home email) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:09:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Love my KX2! Message-ID: I have been reading the many comments and questions relating to the virtues and (in)capabilities of the various rigs now available. In my shack I have the complete K-line including the KAT500 tuner and SP3 speaker. All great equipment, but since receiving my KX2, it is my ?go to? radio! It is the first rig I turn on, and the fun and exhilaration of making contacts with a radio having so much capability in such an astonishingly small package renews the excitement I had when I first started hamming 56 years ago. The receiver is very quiet and sensitive, and with the DSP filtering, I don?t think I am missing anything. I can unplug a few connections and put the entire package in the small case and take off. Not saying that I will be giving up my beautiful K-line anytime soon, but for me, this little gem is a winner! I am not an Elecraft employee, nor have I received any dispensation for this note, but thank you to Elecraft engineers for creating yet another element of versatility to a great hobby. Len/K6LEN From eric at elecraft.com Thu Jul 7 12:31:34 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:31:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 paddles? In-Reply-To: <2053589564.3360577.1467907736351.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2053589564.3360577.1467907736351.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2053589564.3360577.1467907736351.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, We are shipping KXPD2s starting today. See my post to this list (about 20 minutes prior to your post below) with more status details. We are updating the status page with the same info right now. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/7/2016 9:08 AM, Arnie Grubbs via Elecraft wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has gotten the paddles yet for the KX2? > > Yes, I know there is an update on the Elecraft shipping page, but I find it hard to trust > given that the date shows "Expected to Ship by this Friday, July 10, 2016 (or earlier)" > > in 2016 July 10th is a Sunday... > > 73 Arnie KA0NCR > From ta2ah at outlook.com Thu Jul 7 12:32:37 2016 From: ta2ah at outlook.com (Ruchan Ozatay) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:32:37 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - KX3 Message-ID: Thank you Wayne and thank you all the other OMs, for all your valuable comments to my question. I am sure that I will get one (KX2), maybe not immediately, but let say soon. 73, Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH From wd4elg at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 7 13:04:51 2016 From: wd4elg at triad.rr.com (Mark Lunday) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FOLLOW-UP: Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: References: <015e01d1d7fb$212c4e90$6384ebb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000a01d1d871$ad54b990$07fe2cb0$@rr.com> Thanks to all who replied on-board and direct to me. As expected, the support/encouragement/guidance/feedback have been EXTREMELY VALUABLE. I know these boards to contain some of the best Elmers our hobby has ever had?.and this thread exceeded my highest expectations. Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4elg at arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com From K1ND at comcast.net Thu Jul 7 13:03:59 2016 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:03:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 Message-ID: The influence of Wayne is ever present @ Elecraft, from the K2 onward. The foundation for this can be found in the book "The Electronics of Radio" by David B. Rutledge from The California Institute of Technology. Congrats! 73 Jan, K1ND From egrimseid at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 13:22:16 2016 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:22:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: <51886504-4e41-71a0-b034-9624b7313689@fmeco.com> References: <1467897256.3370.0.camel@arabica> <51886504-4e41-71a0-b034-9624b7313689@fmeco.com> Message-ID: What firmware are you using Fred? Because on my radio the bias stays on when i go from voice to data mode. So if i forget to turn out off i have to switch to voice and then back to data. I don't use the bias voltage for anything, but someone might have use for it, that's why i don't recommend disabling it completely. Optionally let the settings be stored pr mode. 7. jul. 2016 17:14 skrev "Fred Moore" : > I actually like it working as it is. When I go into data mode I don't > have to turn off the bias etc.. I think that is why it works the way it > does.. Fred > > > On 7/7/16 9:14 AM, John Pitz wrote: > > I would like to second that request! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 09:39 +0200, Erlend Grimseid wrote: > > > >> When switching to data modes, the mic btn and mic bias settings in the > menu > >> is disabled. > >> I use vox in some settings and have rigged a cable with ptt for my TNC. > >> Also if i forget to turn of mic bias before connecting my smartphone, > the > >> phone goes crazy and thinks I'm pushing buttons on my headset. > >> > >> With the current firmware I have to go to voice mode, change settings > and > >> then back to data A mode. > >> > >> > >> Would it be possible to enable changing mic settings in data mode? > >> > >> 73 > >> De > >> LA4TTA > >> Erlend > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > > > > -- > Fred Moore > email: fred at fmeco.com > fred at safes.com > phone: 321-217-8699 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com > From joe at selectconnect.net Thu Jul 7 13:23:51 2016 From: joe at selectconnect.net (Joe Moffatt) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <571887495.3383828.1467906826852.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> <015701d1d85b$8830d420$98927c60$@net> <1049C198-85E9-4B14-8F9D-90E4BF33C0E9@widomaker.com> <571887495.3383828.1467906826852.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of this? Using N1MM? is it possible to hit the ESC key and stop sending whatever has been sent already? This is forcing me to use a Winkeyer and not the KY keys with my KX3?. There are times you need to stop a transmission. Joe From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 10:54 AM To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Can Elecraft or any other knowledgeable individual explain why the KY commands are limited to 24 characters? This limitation seems to come up in this list or the KX3 Yahoo list about once a month, but I've never seen (or found through searching the wider web) an explanation of what drives the 24 character limit. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who could use any larger character limit, even if it's just a few additional characters. 73, Ryan AI6DO From: Bill Conkling To: K5WA Cc: elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys From my own experience, KY commands work but are clumsy, and there is a l limit to how many characters can be sent with one command, The simple switching circuit is quite easy to do and works extremely well, All it takes is a 2N2222 transistor with base connected to the proper pin (4 or 7) thru a 1.2K (1k -1.5K) Ohm resistor, The collector goes to the plug shield and the emitter goes to the tip of the plug. Plug this into the standard KUSB or standard serial cable. ?bc nr4c > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:26 AM, K5WA wrote: > > Fred, > > One tap of the paddle stops transmission when using KY so you really don't > need ESC. > > Bob K5WA > > From: Cady, Fred [mailto:fcady at montana.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:15 AM > To: K5WA; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys > > When using KY commands in N1MM does hitting escape stop the transmission? > If no, that would be a disadvantage to me. A couple of transistor switches, > actually just one because you don't need PTT usually, is pretty easy to > build. There are lots of examples of circuits out there. > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ai6do at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at selectconnect.net ________________________________ Total Control Panel Login To: joe at selectconnect.net From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: Medium Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block this sender / Block this sender enterprise-wide Block mailman.qth.net / Block mailman.qth.net enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. From joe at selectconnect.net Thu Jul 7 13:26:27 2016 From: joe at selectconnect.net (Joe Moffatt) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:26:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: References: <010101d1d7fb$dbb65da0$932318e0$@net> <015701d1d85b$8830d420$98927c60$@net> <1049C198-85E9-4B14-8F9D-90E4BF33C0E9@widomaker.com> <571887495.3383828.1467906826852.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nevermind, I withdraw that question? I see it was answered earlier. From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Moffatt Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 12:24 PM To: Ryan Noguchi Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Speaking of this? Using N1MM? is it possible to hit the ESC key and stop sending whatever has been sent already? This is forcing me to use a Winkeyer and not the KY keys with my KX3?. There are times you need to stop a transmission. Joe From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 10:54 AM To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Can Elecraft or any other knowledgeable individual explain why the KY commands are limited to 24 characters? This limitation seems to come up in this list or the KX3 Yahoo list about once a month, but I've never seen (or found through searching the wider web) an explanation of what drives the 24 character limit. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who could use any larger character limit, even if it's just a few additional characters. 73, Ryan AI6DO From: Bill Conkling To: K5WA Cc: elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys From my own experience, KY commands work but are clumsy, and there is a l limit to how many characters can be sent with one command, The simple switching circuit is quite easy to do and works extremely well, All it takes is a 2N2222 transistor with base connected to the proper pin (4 or 7) thru a 1.2K (1k -1.5K) Ohm resistor, The collector goes to the plug shield and the emitter goes to the tip of the plug. Plug this into the standard KUSB or standard serial cable. ?bc nr4c > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:26 AM, K5WA wrote: > > Fred, > > One tap of the paddle stops transmission when using KY so you really don't > need ESC. > > Bob K5WA > > From: Cady, Fred [mailto:fcady at montana.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:15 AM > To: K5WA; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys > > When using KY commands in N1MM does hitting escape stop the transmission? > If no, that would be a disadvantage to me. A couple of transistor switches, > actually just one because you don't need PTT usually, is pretty easy to > build. 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From kk5f at earthlink.net Thu Jul 7 14:07:43 2016 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? Message-ID: <8841317.1467914864639.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Barry wrote: > ...I would have preferred the K1, but I don't believe Elecraft is > selling that anymore. The K1 is still sold...see http://www.elecraft.com/k1_page.htm . The K1 remains an excellent small CW-only transceiver. However, the four-band KFL1-4 filter board has been unavailable for a couple of years. The original posting in this thread contrasted the KX1 vs. KX2 or KX3. If RF performance mattered, where the K1 is clearly superior to the KX1, the 16-year-old K1 deserves honorable mention among small QRP transceivers: (1) The K1 uses an LC VFO that is cleaner than the DDS frequency generation scheme of the KX1. This reduces transmitter spurious output, and improves receiver performance because fewer spur frequencies are part of the local oscillator signal fed to the front-end mixer. (2) The K1 can be placed on any of the HF bands, although Elecraft sells parts for 80m through 15m only. The KX1 DDS chip is clocked at its maximum rate of 50 MHz, which limits KX1 highest frequency coverage to around those of 20m band. (3) The K1 IF uses a four-pole crystal filter...the KX1 IF uses three-pole. This makes a very noticeable difference in selectivity. (4) The KAT1 produces a larger number of configurations (1020) of impedance than the KXAT1 (124). (It's of note that the KXAT2 produces 32764 different network configurations, 264 *times* the number of the KXAT1. The KXAT3 produces 131068 configurations, 1057 times the KXAT1.) (5) Many find continuous K1 LC VFO tuning more natural than step-wise KX1 DDS tuning. (6) The K1 has a noise blanker option...the KX1 does not. (7) The K1 transmitter can produce up to seven watts of output power. The KX1 is about half that...at best. (8) The K1 case has a speaker...the KX1 does not. OTOH, the KX1 is clearly superior in terms of VFO stability. It is superior in its span of frequency coverage within the limits of the DDS. It can switch between USB and LSB receive mode due to the frequency agility of the DDS as local oscillator. It has neat features like audio feedback to controls. It is smaller and lighter. With respect to the KX1 vs. KX2 or KX3, the gulf in capability and performance is so great as to render the question absurd. The only advantage to the KX1 over the KX2 is that Elecraft provides a schematic for the KX1...something that very noticeably withheld for the KX2 and its accessories. That implies the customer is an "appliance operator". Mike / KK5F From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 7 14:19:59 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:19:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: References: <1467897256.3370.0.camel@arabica> <51886504-4e41-71a0-b034-9624b7313689@fmeco.com> Message-ID: Or does he mean the KX2? If so I believe the latest firmware fixes that issue. Phil W7OX On 7/7/16 10:22 AM, Erlend Grimseid wrote: > What firmware are you using Fred? Because on my radio the bias stays on > when i go from voice to data mode. So if i forget to turn out off i have to > switch to voice and then back to data. > > I don't use the bias voltage for anything, but someone might have use for > it, that's why i don't recommend disabling it completely. > > Optionally let the settings be stored pr mode. > 7. jul. 2016 17:14 skrev "Fred Moore" : > >> I actually like it working as it is. When I go into data mode I don't >> have to turn off the bias etc.. I think that is why it works the way it >> does.. Fred >> >> >> On 7/7/16 9:14 AM, John Pitz wrote: >>> I would like to second that request! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 09:39 +0200, Erlend Grimseid wrote: >>> >>>> When switching to data modes, the mic btn and mic bias settings in the >> menu >>>> is disabled. >>>> I use vox in some settings and have rigged a cable with ptt for my TNC. >>>> Also if i forget to turn of mic bias before connecting my smartphone, >> the >>>> phone goes crazy and thinks I'm pushing buttons on my headset. >>>> >>>> With the current firmware I have to go to voice mode, change settings >> and >>>> then back to data A mode. >>>> >>>> >>>> Would it be possible to enable changing mic settings in data mode? >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> De >>>> LA4TTA >>>> Erlend From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 7 14:22:13 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:22:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: <8841317.1467914864639.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8841317.1467914864639.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9f39a305-6743-957d-cc89-2eb23d94e264@socal.rr.com> Main fun of the K1 and KX1 is building them :-) Phil W7OX On 7/7/16 11:07 AM, Mike Morrow kk5f at arrl.net [KX3] wrote: > > Barry wrote: > > > ...I would have preferred the K1, but I don't > believe Elecraft is > > selling that anymore. > > The K1 is still sold...see > http://www.elecraft.com/k1_page.htm . The K1 > remains an excellent small CW-only transceiver. > However, the four-band KFL1-4 filter board has > been unavailable for a couple of years. > > The original posting in this thread contrasted > the KX1 vs. KX2 or KX3. If RF performance > mattered, where the K1 is clearly superior to > the KX1, the 16-year-old K1 deserves honorable > mention among small QRP transceivers: > (1) The K1 uses an LC VFO that is cleaner than > the DDS frequency generation scheme of the KX1. > This reduces transmitter spurious output, and > improves receiver performance because fewer spur > frequencies are part of the local oscillator > signal fed to the front-end mixer. > (2) The K1 can be placed on any of the HF bands, > although Elecraft sells parts for 80m through > 15m only. The KX1 DDS chip is clocked at its > maximum rate of 50 MHz, which limits KX1 highest > frequency coverage to around those of 20m band. > (3) The K1 IF uses a four-pole crystal > filter...the KX1 IF uses three-pole. This makes > a very noticeable difference in selectivity. > (4) The KAT1 produces a larger number of > configurations (1020) of impedance than the > KXAT1 (124). (It's of note that the KXAT2 > produces 32764 different network configurations, > 264 *times* the number of the KXAT1. The KXAT3 > produces 131068 configurations, 1057 times the > KXAT1.) > (5) Many find continuous K1 LC VFO tuning more > natural than step-wise KX1 DDS tuning. > (6) The K1 has a noise blanker option...the KX1 > does not. > (7) The K1 transmitter can produce up to seven > watts of output power. The KX1 is about half > that...at best. > (8) The K1 case has a speaker...the KX1 does not. > > OTOH, the KX1 is clearly superior in terms of > VFO stability. It is superior in its span of > frequency coverage within the limits of the DDS. > It can switch between USB and LSB receive mode > due to the frequency agility of the DDS as local > oscillator. It has neat features like audio > feedback to controls. It is smaller and lighter. > > With respect to the KX1 vs. KX2 or KX3, the gulf > in capability and performance is so great as to > render the question absurd. The only advantage > to the KX1 over the KX2 is that Elecraft > provides a schematic for the KX1...something > that very noticeably withheld for the KX2 and > its accessories. That implies the customer is an > "appliance operator". > > Mike / KK5F > > __._,_.___ > From lightdazzled at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 14:44:04 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: <9f39a305-6743-957d-cc89-2eb23d94e264@socal.rr.com> References: <8841317.1467914864639.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <9f39a305-6743-957d-cc89-2eb23d94e264@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: > > Main fun of the K1 and KX1 is building them :-) > Well, that is fun. But it is also fun to "do much with little". Work VK with a K3S - nice. Work VK with a KX1 - thats gives a kind of "Wow!" feeling. I'm just saying there is a lot of gratification working with limited gear. Chip AE5KA On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Main fun of the K1 and KX1 is building them :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 7/7/16 11:07 AM, Mike Morrow kk5f at arrl.net [KX3] wrote: > >> >> Barry wrote: >> >> > ...I would have preferred the K1, but I don't believe Elecraft is >> > selling that anymore. >> >> The K1 is still sold...see http://www.elecraft.com/k1_page.htm . The K1 >> remains an excellent small CW-only transceiver. However, the four-band >> KFL1-4 filter board has been unavailable for a couple of years. >> >> The original posting in this thread contrasted the KX1 vs. KX2 or KX3. If >> RF performance mattered, where the K1 is clearly superior to the KX1, the >> 16-year-old K1 deserves honorable mention among small QRP transceivers: >> (1) The K1 uses an LC VFO that is cleaner than the DDS frequency >> generation scheme of the KX1. This reduces transmitter spurious output, and >> improves receiver performance because fewer spur frequencies are part of >> the local oscillator signal fed to the front-end mixer. >> (2) The K1 can be placed on any of the HF bands, although Elecraft sells >> parts for 80m through 15m only. The KX1 DDS chip is clocked at its maximum >> rate of 50 MHz, which limits KX1 highest frequency coverage to around those >> of 20m band. >> (3) The K1 IF uses a four-pole crystal filter...the KX1 IF uses >> three-pole. This makes a very noticeable difference in selectivity. >> (4) The KAT1 produces a larger number of configurations (1020) of >> impedance than the KXAT1 (124). (It's of note that the KXAT2 produces 32764 >> different network configurations, 264 *times* the number of the KXAT1. The >> KXAT3 produces 131068 configurations, 1057 times the KXAT1.) >> (5) Many find continuous K1 LC VFO tuning more natural than step-wise KX1 >> DDS tuning. >> (6) The K1 has a noise blanker option...the KX1 does not. >> (7) The K1 transmitter can produce up to seven watts of output power. The >> KX1 is about half that...at best. >> (8) The K1 case has a speaker...the KX1 does not. >> >> OTOH, the KX1 is clearly superior in terms of VFO stability. It is >> superior in its span of frequency coverage within the limits of the DDS. It >> can switch between USB and LSB receive mode due to the frequency agility of >> the DDS as local oscillator. It has neat features like audio feedback to >> controls. It is smaller and lighter. >> >> With respect to the KX1 vs. KX2 or KX3, the gulf in capability and >> performance is so great as to render the question absurd. The only >> advantage to the KX1 over the KX2 is that Elecraft provides a schematic for >> the KX1...something that very noticeably withheld for the KX2 and its >> accessories. That implies the customer is an "appliance operator". >> >> Mike / KK5F >> >> __._,_.___ >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 7 16:22:07 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Why buy a KX2/KX3 compared to a KX1/MTR3B in a QRP portable scenario? In-Reply-To: References: <8841317.1467914864639.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <9f39a305-6743-957d-cc89-2eb23d94e264@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <78c684b6-2976-8581-a72c-51f5cd235be2@socal.rr.com> Heck, Chip: I provide enough limitations myself, without my hardware helping even a tiny bit ;-) 73, Phil W7OX On 7/7/16 11:44 AM, Chip Stratton wrote: >> Main fun of the K1 and KX1 is building them :-) >> > Well, that is fun. But it is also fun to "do much with little". > > Work VK with a K3S - nice. Work VK with a KX1 - thats gives a kind of > "Wow!" feeling. > > I'm just saying there is a lot of gratification working with limited gear. > > Chip > AE5KA > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> Main fun of the K1 and KX1 is building them :-) >> >> Phil W7OX From rcrgs at verizon.net Thu Jul 7 17:19:20 2016 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:19:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] custom LiFePO4 pack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <577EC758.3060701@verizon.net> Steve... Thanks for your effort in making this battery available. I'll be buying one. Perhaps Elecraft can make them available like they did for the Powerwerx switching powersupply. I do agree: many peers for the K2 yet none really better. The new Elecraft portable radios are nifty, and I fully understand their popularity. That said, my K2 is still in use [470 Q's on 40m CW during FD] and a LiFePO4 battery will be a nice upgrade. ...robert On 07/07/2016 16:09, inventor61 . wrote: > Gents > > Recently I saw some commentary regarding a LiFePO4 pack for the K2. > > There is already one made specifically for the application, intended to > replace the gel cell option in the rig and to use the bracket provided for > same. The picture on the web link below is slightly inaccurate in that the > wiring pigtail has a 'flying' lead so it is a 1:1 replacement for the > Elecraft gel cell assembly. > > http://www.batteryspace.com/custom-lifepo4-18650-battery-12-8v-4500-mah-57-6wh-7a-rate-w-pcb-and-connector.aspx > > As a *very* happy owner of this pack, I have to share that I am not > affiliated with the producer in any way. > > This pack is purposefully made to charge using a LiFePO4 charger, available > from the battery supplier, via the radio's DC input jack, and works with > the battery switch on the K2 in a manner according to specifications I > provided. Several design options were considered in the process of > creating the specs and I believe the best balance of these were selected. > > When I am charging the internal pack with the LiFePO4 charger I am not > operating the radio (although it is possible); when I am operating from > mains, I use the KX33 supply from Pro Audio Engineering. > > In some qualitative testing I am able to get roughly 80% more operating > time per charge than I was with the gel cell and at less weight. > > The K2 is aging gracefully. Newer radios for field use beckon but still > manage only to be just peers, not better. > > Steve KZ1X > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From hdemello2014 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 18:33:57 2016 From: hdemello2014 at gmail.com (Harvey De Mello) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 - Microsoft Surface Pro - HRD - Digital Modes Message-ID: <001c01d1d89f$ac62f0a0$0528d1e0$@gmail.com> Hello, Is there any documents or 'knowledge' base information to get my KX3 to run Digital Modes (PSK31) off my SurfacePro using Ham Radio Deluxe? Thanks, Harvey From pgraitc at me.com Thu Jul 7 18:38:13 2016 From: pgraitc at me.com (PHILIP GRAITCER) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM Message-ID: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> I got the K2 out for Field Day and it performed great! I?d never used the K2 with a computer, so I hooked it up and set up N1MM for the contest. I was unable to get the function keys to operate and N1MM was a little unstable, sometimes locking up. I was able to log contacts, but couldn?t send code. This isn?t the case when I use the same setup with my K3. I?m thinking that there are incompatibilities between the K2 and N1MM, probably due to the age of the K2. But I am not very capable with computers. Any suggestions? Phil From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 7 18:45:53 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:45:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 - Microsoft Surface Pro - HRD - Digital Modes In-Reply-To: <001c01d1d89f$ac62f0a0$0528d1e0$@gmail.com> References: <001c01d1d89f$ac62f0a0$0528d1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <270981ff-5577-e9b4-5deb-fd4e1b1ea9de@socal.rr.com> If the Surface Pro is a Windows 10 PC, then anything related to Win 10 should work, Harvey -- except perhaps some connections. Does it run Win 10? Phil W7OX On 7/7/16 3:33 PM, Harvey De Mello wrote: > Hello, > > Is there any documents or 'knowledge' base information to > get my KX3 to run Digital Modes (PSK31) off my SurfacePro using Ham Radio > Deluxe? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harvey From NZ3O at arrl.net Thu Jul 7 18:55:19 2016 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Is Here Message-ID: <577EDDD7.3000708@arrl.net> Good things the bands are awful, the K-Pod is here today. 72, Byron From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Jul 7 19:23:37 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:23:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whenever I switch between SSB and digital, I have to do a complex dance changing levels, the mic bias setting, and pluggin cables. The K3 is so much superior in this area. Anything to improve the situation is desirable. Note that since I haven't yet mastered a paddle, I need a computer to send digital. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/7/16 at 10:22 AM, egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) wrote: >What firmware are you using Fred? Because on my radio the bias stays on >when i go from voice to data mode. So if i forget to turn out off i have to >switch to voice and then back to data. > >I don't use the bias voltage for anything, but someone might have use for >it, that's why i don't recommend disabling it completely. > >Optionally let the settings be stored pr mode. >7. jul. 2016 17:14 skrev "Fred Moore" : > >>I actually like it working as it is. When I go into data mode I don't >>have to turn off the bias etc.. I think that is why it works the way it >>does.. Fred >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Jul 7 19:31:04 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> Message-ID: <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> In wondering if the same serial cable dorks withe both radios. I thought the K2 cable was different. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:38 PM, PHILIP GRAITCER wrote: > > I got the K2 out for Field Day and it performed great! I?d never used the K2 with a computer, so I hooked it up and set up N1MM for the contest. > > I was unable to get the function keys to operate and N1MM was a little unstable, sometimes locking up. I was able to log contacts, but couldn?t send code. This isn?t the case when I use the same setup with my K3. > > I?m thinking that there are incompatibilities between the K2 and N1MM, probably due to the age of the K2. But I am not very capable with computers. > > Any suggestions? > > Phil > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 7 19:38:15 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:38:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> Message-ID: Phil, First, set the baud rate at 4800bps - that is the maximum speed of the K2 (the K3 can go to 38400 baud). Did you test the setup before Field Day? If it worked OK during that pre-FD testing, all the settings should have been correct. Not getting *all* the settings correct in the software is one of the "bug-a-boo's" in the computer/transceiver world. There are just too many combinations and permutations to give a single answer to your problem. N1MM should fully support the K2 - I am not going to go into details about N1MM configuration settings, I will leave that for others. There are many happy K2 owners out there using N1MM. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/7/2016 6:38 PM, PHILIP GRAITCER wrote: > I got the K2 out for Field Day and it performed great! I?d never used the K2 with a computer, so I hooked it up and set up N1MM for the contest. > > I was unable to get the function keys to operate and N1MM was a little unstable, sometimes locking up. I was able to log contacts, but couldn?t send code. This isn?t the case when I use the same setup with my K3. > > I?m thinking that there are incompatibilities between the K2 and N1MM, probably due to the age of the K2. But I am not very capable with computers. > > From kstover at ac0h.net Thu Jul 7 19:45:28 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 18:45:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> Message-ID: <58f8ea8a-e418-712f-d0af-d21d6628263a@ac0h.net> The DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT a standard RS-232 port. I believe there is a wiring diagram for the necessary cable in the KIO2 and KPA100 manuals. You may have dodged a big bullet. On 7/7/2016 5:38 PM, PHILIP GRAITCER wrote: > I got the K2 out for Field Day and it performed great! I?d never used the K2 with a computer, so I hooked it up and set up N1MM for the contest. > > I was unable to get the function keys to operate and N1MM was a little unstable, sometimes locking up. I was able to log contacts, but couldn?t send code. This isn?t the case when I use the same setup with my K3. > > I?m thinking that there are incompatibilities between the K2 and N1MM, probably due to the age of the K2. But I am not very capable with computers. > > Any suggestions? > > Phil > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 7 19:54:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:54:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> The K3 can use a standard serial cable, the the K2 *cannot*. The only connections for the K2 from the computer is pins 2, 3 and 5 in the cable - those are TXD, RXD and Signal Ground. All other pins in the K2 AUX IO connector (note that it is *not* an RS-232 connector and is not labeled as such) are internal K2 signals to operate external Elecraft devices such as the KAT100, XV transverters and the KRC2. The use of a standard PC serial cable between the K2 and the computer can damage both the K2 and the computer serial port. If you have no special computer connection cable with your K2, then build the cable described in the KIO2 or KPA100 manual or if you have the KAT100, build the cable shown in that manual. N1MM fully supports the K2 unless something has changed quite recently. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/7/2016 7:31 PM, Nr4c wrote: > In wondering if the same serial cable dorks withe both radios. I thought the K2 cable was different. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:38 PM, PHILIP GRAITCER wrote: >> >> I got the K2 out for Field Day and it performed great! I?d never used the K2 with a computer, so I hooked it up and set up N1MM for the contest. >> >> I was unable to get the function keys to operate and N1MM was a little unstable, sometimes locking up. I was able to log contacts, but couldn?t send code. This isn?t the case when I use the same setup with my K3. >> >> I?m thinking that there are incompatibilities between the K2 and N1MM, probably due to the age of the K2. But I am not very capable with computers. >> >> From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Jul 7 20:06:37 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:06:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] custom LiFePO4 pack In-Reply-To: <577EC758.3060701@verizon.net> References: <577EC758.3060701@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1497a890-db6a-c432-6521-0ea74c899ace@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,7/7/2016 2:19 PM, Robert G Strickland wrote: > Perhaps Elecraft can make them available like they did for the > Powerwerx switching powersupply. Why does Elecraft need to be involved if it's a got a part number from batteryspace? They're a good vendor. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Jul 7 21:15:46 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 18:15:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54B492BF-AA56-427D-97E0-DAA1D2A0AA68@elecraft.com> On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Jan wrote: > The influence of Wayne is ever present @ Elecraft, from the K2 onward. > The foundation for this can be found in the book "The Electronics of Radio" by > David B. Rutledge from The California Institute of Technology. Congrats! Hi Jan, In case anyone's interested, this book was based on my NorCal 40 CW transceiver design. Prof. Rutledge created an entire course around it (EE20); the book is a hardcover collection of all the lab exercises, etc. Students built a NorCal 40 as part of the course, and many have become licensed over the years as a result. I believe the course was exported to other universities as well. Just doing our part for higher education :) 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Jul 7 21:16:10 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 18:16:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E3C4A72-8417-498E-BBD3-0E67EA2D73CB@elecraft.com> By the way, it's available on Amazon. Wayne N6KR On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Jan wrote: > The influence of Wayne is ever present @ Elecraft, from the K2 onward. > The foundation for this can be found in the book "The Electronics of Radio" by > David B. Rutledge from The California Institute of Technology. Congrats! > 73 Jan, K1ND From esteptony at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 21:19:36 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: <54B492BF-AA56-427D-97E0-DAA1D2A0AA68@elecraft.com> References: <54B492BF-AA56-427D-97E0-DAA1D2A0AA68@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > ...doing our part for higher education :) > ======== And CalTech is as high up the higher education scale as you can go! Tony KT0NY From egrimseid at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 21:31:32 2016 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 03:31:32 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good point. Maybe the levels also could be stored for data and voice / cw separately. That would be awesome. 73 La4tta Erlend 8. jul. 2016 01:25 skrev "Bill Frantz" : > Whenever I switch between SSB and digital, I have to do a complex dance > changing levels, the mic bias setting, and pluggin cables. The K3 is so > much superior in this area. Anything to improve the situation is desirable. > > Note that since I haven't yet mastered a paddle, I need a computer to send > digital. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 7/7/16 at 10:22 AM, egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) wrote: > > What firmware are you using Fred? Because on my radio the bias stays on >> when i go from voice to data mode. So if i forget to turn out off i have >> to >> switch to voice and then back to data. >> >> I don't use the bias voltage for anything, but someone might have use for >> it, that's why i don't recommend disabling it completely. >> >> Optionally let the settings be stored pr mode. >> 7. jul. 2016 17:14 skrev "Fred Moore" : >> >> I actually like it working as it is. When I go into data mode I don't >>> have to turn off the bias etc.. I think that is why it works the way it >>> does.. Fred >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com > From hdemello2014 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 22:00:34 2016 From: hdemello2014 at gmail.com (Harvey De Mello) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 21:00:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 - Microsoft Surface Pro - HRD - Digital Modes In-Reply-To: <270981ff-5577-e9b4-5deb-fd4e1b1ea9de@socal.rr.com> References: <001c01d1d89f$ac62f0a0$0528d1e0$@gmail.com> <270981ff-5577-e9b4-5deb-fd4e1b1ea9de@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Yes it does. And I think you are right, I am looking at the mic and headphone connections. I'll troubleshoot that next. Thanks Phil. Harvey W5HLD Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > If the Surface Pro is a Windows 10 PC, then anything related to Win 10 should work, Harvey -- except perhaps some connections. > > Does it run Win 10? > > Phil W7OX > >> On 7/7/16 3:33 PM, Harvey De Mello wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Is there any documents or 'knowledge' base information to >> get my KX3 to run Digital Modes (PSK31) off my SurfacePro using Ham Radio >> Deluxe? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Harvey > From n9tf at comcast.net Thu Jul 7 22:07:32 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (Gene Gabry) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 21:07:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro command XIT Message-ID: <003101d1d8bd$7cea8d60$76bfa820$@net> Hi I'm finally diving into setting up command macros, and most are successful. I thought there was a way to not only turn on XIT, but to also be able to set an up or down offset. I've tried several different command combinations, but no luck. XIT turns on but no offset. Is there not a command string that turns on XIT and allows an UP or DN offset? Thanks Gene, N9TF K3S 10057 From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 22:24:10 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 22:24:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: One N1MM/MM+ thing doable on a K3/3S you cannot do with a K2 is to use DTR or RTS to the transceiver for logging program driven internal CW keying. It's not in the K2 firmware, and the leads are not in the K2's DB9 jack. You have to break out the keying and provide *some* external device to key the K2. I use a Microham "CW Keyer" box (very small) to drive my K2 in contests, and it works seamlessly. Splits out everything I need. I have a cable which pulls off TXD, RXD and signal ground from the K2's DB9 connector on one end and uses mini-phone-plug tip ring and sleeve to the CW Keyer. Another cord to the K2 key jack, another for power to the CW Keyer, and a single USB cord from the CW Keyer as the only connection to the computer. The Microham driver software for the CW Keyer serves everything up to N1MM as virtual serial ports. Paddle connects to the CW Keyer. The integration of the K2 with a KPA100 is seamless, even in a separate enclosure, and PTT is not needed. N1MM+ is flawless with the K2 with my Microham CW Keyer setup. 73, Guy K2AV On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > The K3 can use a standard serial cable, the the K2 *cannot*. The only > connections for the K2 from the computer is pins 2, 3 and 5 in the cable - > those are TXD, RXD and Signal Ground. > > All other pins in the K2 AUX IO connector (note that it is *not* an RS-232 > connector and is not labeled as such) are internal K2 signals to operate > external Elecraft devices such as the KAT100, XV transverters and the KRC2. > > The use of a standard PC serial cable between the K2 and the computer can > damage both the K2 and the computer serial port. > > If you have no special computer connection cable with your K2, then build > the cable described in the KIO2 or KPA100 manual or if you have the KAT100, > build the cable shown in that manual. > > N1MM fully supports the K2 unless something has changed quite recently. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/7/2016 7:31 PM, Nr4c wrote: > >> In wondering if the same serial cable dorks withe both radios. I thought >> the K2 cable was different. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:38 PM, PHILIP GRAITCER wrote: >>> >>> I got the K2 out for Field Day and it performed great! I?d never used >>> the K2 with a computer, so I hooked it up and set up N1MM for the contest. >>> >>> I was unable to get the function keys to operate and N1MM was a little >>> unstable, sometimes locking up. I was able to log contacts, but couldn?t >>> send code. This isn?t the case when I use the same setup with my K3. >>> >>> I?m thinking that there are incompatibilities between the K2 and N1MM, >>> probably due to the age of the K2. But I am not very capable with computers. >>> >>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Jul 7 22:24:33 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:24:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro command XIT In-Reply-To: <003101d1d8bd$7cea8d60$76bfa820$@net> References: <003101d1d8bd$7cea8d60$76bfa820$@net> Message-ID: <450305F1-C256-4737-8E0E-5BB20CB76218@elecraft.com> To set a specific RIT/XIT offset, you can use the RO command. From the programmer's reference: SET format: ROsnnnn where s is +/- and nnnn is 0000-9999. s can also be a space in lieu of +. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 7, 2016, at 7:07 PM, "Gene Gabry" wrote: > Hi > > > > I'm finally diving into setting up command macros, and most are successful. > I thought there was a way to not only turn on XIT, but to also be able to > set an up or down offset. I've tried several different command combinations, > but no luck. XIT turns on but no offset. > > Is there not a command string that turns on XIT and allows an UP or DN > offset? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gene, N9TF > > > > K3S 10057 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Jul 7 22:36:43 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:36:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Message-ID: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> Hi all, The K-Pods are coming! Those of you who are not timid with macros: Please send us your favorites for possible inclusion in the next release of the K-Pod owner's manual. We've already included a bunch, but I just know there are some great examples out there we haven't thought of. For newbies: A "macro" is a series of one or more short commands to the radio that act as stand-ins for switch presses, knob turns, etc. They can do really complicated things like custom SPLIT/sub RX/mode/frequency/power level setups. You create these little gems using K3 Utility, then send them to the K3 so the K-Pod has access to them. For further background and examples, refer to the Elecraft programmer's reference: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S&K3&KX3&KX2%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20F8.pdf Wayne N6KR From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Jul 7 22:58:48 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:58:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5fcf07c9-0784-6e01-daed-783dc2a123fa@triconet.org> Where is the current release? On 7/7/2016 7:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > in the next release of the K-Pod owner's manual. From n9tf at comcast.net Thu Jul 7 23:02:58 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (Gene Gabry) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 22:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro command XIT In-Reply-To: <450305F1-C256-4737-8E0E-5BB20CB76218@elecraft.com> References: <003101d1d8bd$7cea8d60$76bfa820$@net> <450305F1-C256-4737-8E0E-5BB20CB76218@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <000001d1d8c5$3b4d8cb0$b1e8a610$@net> Thanks Wayne! That did it. I don't know how I missed that command string. This phase of the K3S is all pretty much Greek to me, and I've read over the programming manual several times trying to absorb it all before experimenting. After a year of pushing buttons and turning knobs, I am finally writing commands for functions I use most and want a one touch button to get there fast. Thanks again and 73 Gene, N9TF To set a specific RIT/XIT offset, you can use the RO command. From the programmer's reference: SET format: ROsnnnn where s is +/- and nnnn is 0000-9999. s can also be a space in lieu of +. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 7, 2016, at 7:07 PM, "Gene Gabry" wrote: > Hi > > > > I'm finally diving into setting up command macros, and most are successful. > I thought there was a way to not only turn on XIT, but to also be able > to set an up or down offset. I've tried several different command > combinations, but no luck. XIT turns on but no offset. > > Is there not a command string that turns on XIT and allows an UP or DN > offset? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gene, N9TF > > > > K3S 10057 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com From k7voradio at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 00:20:47 2016 From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 21:20:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Upper power supply voltage limit with KX3 Message-ID: I have a switching battery supply with 12 and 16 volt settings. Is it safe to use the 16 volt setting with the KX3? I did so briefly without obvious problem. Bob K7VO From n7xy at n7xy.net Fri Jul 8 00:24:12 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 21:24:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 firmware wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51924b11-56ce-eccb-5bf5-a8970b364ede@n7xy.net> Hopefully any changes along that line will be rolled over into the KX2 software as well. My skills with paddles aren't quite good enough to be properly decoded for the digital modes (and my coordination is has gone downhill from my younger years). After getting the necessary USB sound card and cables, etc., together to work digital modes I was going to try WSJT-X with my KX2 and found that it wasn't recognized the radio. The KX3 selection didn't work, although it does appear to with FLRIG. I guess I will have to wait until the KX2 is added to hamlib. I looked at the Programmer's Reference but didn't find anything that helped. Bob, N7XY On 7/7/16 6:31 PM, Erlend Grimseid wrote: > Good point. > > Maybe the levels also could be stored for data and voice / cw separately. > > That would be awesome. > > 73 > La4tta Erlend > 8. jul. 2016 01:25 skrev "Bill Frantz" : > >> Whenever I switch between SSB and digital, I have to do a complex dance >> changing levels, the mic bias setting, and pluggin cables. The K3 is so >> much superior in this area. Anything to improve the situation is desirable. >> >> Note that since I haven't yet mastered a paddle, I need a computer to send >> digital. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> On 7/7/16 at 10:22 AM, egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) wrote: >> >> What firmware are you using Fred? Because on my radio the bias stays on >>> when i go from voice to data mode. So if i forget to turn out off i have >>> to >>> switch to voice and then back to data. >>> >>> I don't use the bias voltage for anything, but someone might have use for >>> it, that's why i don't recommend disabling it completely. >>> >>> Optionally let the settings be stored pr mode. >>> 7. jul. 2016 17:14 skrev "Fred Moore" : >>> >>> I actually like it working as it is. When I go into data mode I don't >>>> have to turn off the bias etc.. I think that is why it works the way it >>>> does.. Fred >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle >> (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave >> www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Jul 8 00:29:53 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 21:29:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Upper power supply voltage limit with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Damage due to using anything over 15 V would void the warranty, since that's the specified maximum. That said, we always over-design wherever possible, so it'll probably be OK. For example, we shoot for 25 V or higher capacitor ratings for all capacitors exposed to the supply. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Robert Sands wrote: > I have a switching battery supply with 12 and 16 volt settings. Is it safe > to use the 16 volt setting with the KX3? I did so briefly without obvious > problem. > > Bob > K7VO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From btippett at alum.mit.edu Fri Jul 8 05:55:50 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 02:55:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Upper power supply voltage limit with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1467971750930-7619779.post@n2.nabble.com> >Damage due to using anything over 15 V would void the warranty, since that's the specified maximum. Add in series a couple of silicon diodes (~0.7V drop each) of sufficient current rating in the positive lead. 16V - 1.4V = 14.6V. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Upper-power-supply-voltage-limit-with-KX3-tp7619776p7619779.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From btippett at alum.mit.edu Fri Jul 8 06:24:15 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 03:24:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1467973455267-7619780.post@n2.nabble.com> Skimmer Pileup Buster Skimmer's "599" function is very powerful since it gives the exact frequency of the last station worked. The macro below allows Skimmer to control VFO A. Why not use VFO B for TX? Because IF OUT is on VFO A and Skimmer can only control VFO A (without mods to both the KRX3 hardware and Skimmer control software). Use as follows assuming Skimmer is running and accurately calibrated for K3 zero beat with the roofing filter you're using in the Main RX (VFO A): 1. Tune in the DX station on VFO A. 2. Activate the SKIMMER Macro via appropriate button on KPOD. 3. Manually tune VFO A to the approximate center of the pileup and watch for a "599" to appear. 4. Click the magenta "599" decoder dot to send VFO A to the last station worked. 5. You can manually add some +/- XIT offset to VFO A if too many guys learn this trick! :-)) 73, Bill W4ZV http://dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/ (note "599" in the bottom screen shot) SKIMMER: LK0;LK$0;SB0;SWT13;SWT13;FR0;LK$1;UP5;RT0;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP006;MN255; LK0;LK$0 to unLCK both VFOs (all LK commands can be omitted if you never use LCK) SB0; turns the sub receiver off, which also turns Diversity off (i.e. my normal setup) SWT13; taps A>B to copy VFO A frequency to VFO B SWT13; taps A>B again to copy all other settings to VFO B FR0; turns off Split (since we'll use the KRX3's Dual RX mode) LK$1; locks VFO B on the DX station's frequency UP5; sets TX VFO A up 2 kHz (so you don't accidentally TX on the DX initially) RT0; turns RIT off XT0; turns XIT off (can be manually set later depending on how DX tunes the pileup) SB1; turns the sub receiver on MN111; selects the CONFIG:L-MIX-R menu entry MP006; selects the "b b" audio mix; which puts VFO B (the DX station) in both audio channels with no distractions for weak stations. You don't even need to listen to the pileup to successfully work stations! I first did this on a massive 160m pileup for ST0R in 2011. Or, if the DX station is stronger, you can add the pileup in one ear by substituting MP002 to get the "Ab b" audio mix. MN255; closes the CONFIG menu -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Now-that-the-K-Pod-is-shipping-we-could-use-your-help-with-useful-macros-tp7619773p7619780.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dhdeitrick at mac.com Fri Jul 8 07:45:12 2016 From: dhdeitrick at mac.com (David Deitrick) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 07:45:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset splitter for KX2, KX3 Message-ID: I have seen some references to a splitter that would allow a mic/phone headset (eg. apple ear buds) to be used with KX2 & KX3. The item referred to in the posts was backwards, with one 4 ring socket & (2) 3 ring jacks. I found a StarTech adaptor on amazon that has one 4 ring socket & (2) 3 ring plugs, which would split the single plug headset into to plugs allowing the use of both the Mic and Phone jacks on the radio. It too is made by StarTech & can be found on Amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-MUYHSFMM-Headset-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B0058DOWH6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467977811&sr=8-1&keywords=MUYHSFMM Price is about $6 US. Dave KB8XG kb8xg at ARRL.net From W4RM at AOL.COM Fri Jul 8 08:48:37 2016 From: W4RM at AOL.COM (Bill OMara) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 08:48:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 IF setup with SDRPlay and HDSRD Message-ID: <05bc01d1d917$0c252090$246f61b0$@AOL.COM> I'm trying to set-up a SDRPlay using my K3 IF Out and HDSRD software. I spent six hours yesterday trying to figure out how to make the three of these play together. Does anyone have any detailed setup instruction for this combination? As of yet I'm been unable to get the K3 IF Data feeding into HDSRD. Any help would be great. Thanks and 73 Bill W4RM From lists at subich.com Fri Jul 8 09:38:24 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:38:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 IF setup with SDRPlay and HDSRD In-Reply-To: <05bc01d1d917$0c252090$246f61b0$@AOL.COM> References: <05bc01d1d917$0c252090$246f61b0$@AOL.COM> Message-ID: As sent to you by "support at microham.com" but apparently blocked by AOL: > Follow the HDSDR documentation to set up the "CAT to Radio > (Omni-Rig)" port. Connect it to the 2nd CAT port in Router. > Configure the IF Offsets, etc. in "Options | RF Front-End and > Calibration. > > I have no specific documentation for HDSDR but had not problem > configuring either my SDR-IQ or SoftRock/sound card using the > documentation available with HDSDR. See the documentation from the > developer of HDSDR (such as it is) and contact the SDRPlay support > team for specifics on their hardware/software. > > 73, > > ... Joe Subich, W4TV > microHAM America, LLC. > http://www.microHAM-USA.com > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM > > support at microham.com > On 7/8/2016 8:48 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > I'm trying to set-up a SDRPlay using my K3 IF Out and HDSRD software. I > spent six hours yesterday trying to figure out how to make the three of > these play together. > > > > Does anyone have any detailed setup instruction for this combination? > > > > As of yet I'm been unable to get the K3 IF Data feeding into HDSRD. > > > > Any help would be great. > > > > Thanks and 73 Bill W4RM > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w0fm at swbell.net Fri Jul 8 10:16:35 2016 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:16:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 In-Reply-To: <8E3C4A72-8417-498E-BBD3-0E67EA2D73CB@elecraft.com> References: <8E3C4A72-8417-498E-BBD3-0E67EA2D73CB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <003001d1d923$566ea6b0$034bf410$@swbell.net> Interestingly, just below the listing on Amazon for "The Electronics of Radio" is an offering of a book called "Ham Radio For Beginners" which features on the cover a sharp photo of a VHF Marine Radio!! ;o) Aspiring amateurs could probably teach this author a thing or two about Amateur Radio: https://www.amazon.com/Ham-Radio-Beginners-Getting-Started/dp/1533674264/ref =sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1467986970&sr=1-2&keywords=the+electronics+of+ra dio Terry, W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:16 PM To: Jan Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 By the way, it's available on Amazon. Wayne N6KR On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Jan wrote: > The influence of Wayne is ever present @ Elecraft, from the K2 onward. > The foundation for this can be found in the book "The Electronics of > Radio" by David B. Rutledge from The California Institute of Technology. Congrats! > 73 Jan, K1ND From K1ND at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 10:28:14 2016 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:28:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 - KX3 Message-ID: <51ad393f-1528-4af6-bb41-efdd0628f094@comcast.net> Hi Wayne N6KR I received a review copy of/ "The Electronics of Radio" book /from the Publisher in 2001 as we were revising our EET Program @ Eastern Michigan University at the time. I liked the writing style of Prof. Rutledge and the format of the book would fit one of the new courses. Your Norcal 40 project was an interesting approach for the lab experiences. We decided on another text for the two Analog Courses; in 2002 I retired from the university, kept the book. Many parts are yet a good read for the aspiring radio amateur. Cheers, Jan K1ND From w0fm at swbell.net Fri Jul 8 10:56:24 2016 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:56:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> Looks like my K-Pod should arrive tomorrow. Does it come with the DC power modification resistors and mod instructions or do I need to order those? 73, Terry, W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:37 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Hi all, The K-Pods are coming! Those of you who are not timid with macros: Please send us your favorites for possible inclusion in the next release of the K-Pod owner's manual. We've already included a bunch, but I just know there are some great examples out there we haven't thought of. For newbies: A "macro" is a series of one or more short commands to the radio that act as stand-ins for switch presses, knob turns, etc. They can do really complicated things like custom SPLIT/sub RX/mode/frequency/power level setups. You create these little gems using K3 Utility, then send them to the K3 so the K-Pod has access to them. For further background and examples, refer to the Elecraft programmer's reference: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S&K3&KX3&KX2%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20F8.pdf Wayne N6KR From marrotte at verizon.net Fri Jul 8 11:42:23 2016 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:42:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> Message-ID: <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> Yes it does. It comes with two 6.8 ohm resistors. One 1/8 watt leaded resistor and one 1/10 watt smd resistor. I did the mod with the smd resistor. It's a small resistor about the size of a large fruit fly and it goes kind of in a tight place, especially for a left hander. I got it in and it works so I'm happy but if I had to do it again I'd probably used the leaded resistor. I've done some smd work before. Roger, W1EM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Schieler Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:56 AM To: 'Wayne Burdick' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Looks like my K-Pod should arrive tomorrow. Does it come with the DC power modification resistors and mod instructions or do I need to order those? 73, Terry, W0FM From matt at nq6n.com Fri Jul 8 11:50:28 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:50:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Is there a specification of how the macros work with the knobs? I have not yet ordered a K-Pod, but would love to write some useful macros (especially for the knobs). Perhaps I could test the macros using the K3 terminal in the meantime but it would be great to know how the knobs are configured to trigger macros first. Advice appreciated. 73, Matt NQ6N On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Roger Marrotte wrote: > Yes it does. It comes with two 6.8 ohm resistors. One 1/8 watt leaded > resistor and one 1/10 watt smd resistor. I did the mod with the smd > resistor. It's a small resistor about the size of a large fruit fly and it > goes kind of in a tight place, especially for a left hander. I got it in > and it works so I'm happy but if I had to do it again I'd probably used the > leaded resistor. I've done some smd work before. > > Roger, W1EM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Terry > Schieler > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:56 AM > To: 'Wayne Burdick' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your > help with useful macros > > Looks like my K-Pod should arrive tomorrow. Does it come with the DC power > modification resistors and mod instructions or do I need to order those? > > 73, > > Terry, W0FM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 8 12:07:02 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:07:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upper power supply voltage limit with KX3 In-Reply-To: <1467971750930-7619779.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467971750930-7619779.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <517531dd-fcab-6e2d-c2ee-93f3f4140432@montac.com> That's one way to go, but note... that while this may work great on RX, heat dissipation MIGHT be an issue on TX. I'm building a fan controller to control 4 x 120mm fans (1.6A per max) on EITHER the 12V or 13.8V power supplies at our repeater site... I tried using 10A10 diodes to drop the 13.8 VDC down into a reasonable 12+ VDC domain.... Worked fine for low speed... let the fans run flat out and the diodes heated up wayyyyyy too hot without heat sinking AND a fan... they sink on the leads. And the 10A10 is rated to 10 Amps. So... at receive say on a K3s, you'd be sinking at least 1VDC (preferably 2.2 to get to 13.8 nominal) at about 1.16A = 1.16W (or 2.552 Watts with three diodes in series.) Not bad... NOW, TRANSMIT on SSB at 100W on the PA.... 3.55 Amps approx without saying anything.... TALK, and the current draw goes up to 16 Amp peaks... Suddenly, you're asking those little silicone diodes to sink anywhere from 7.81 to 35.2 Watts!!! You ain't gonna do that very long without some thermal control... sinks and active cooling... Just my observations... worth what you paid for them. :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/8/2016 4:55 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: >> Damage due to using anything over 15 V would void the warranty, since that's > the specified maximum. > > Add in series a couple of silicon diodes (~0.7V drop each) of sufficient > current rating in the positive lead. 16V - 1.4V = 14.6V. > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Upper-power-supply-voltage-limit-with-KX3-tp7619776p7619779.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From dick at elecraft.com Fri Jul 8 12:07:40 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:07:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004e01d1d932$dd0bb820$97232860$@elecraft.com> The most recent K3 Utility (1.16.26.5) stores 16 command macros in the K3. You can install it now from a link at the bottom of: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm Command macros 1-8 correspond to K-Pod buttons F1-F8 Hold, Command macros 9-16 correspond to K-Pod buttons F1-F8 tap. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 08:50 To: Roger Marrotte Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Is there a specification of how the macros work with the knobs? I have not yet ordered a K-Pod, but would love to write some useful macros (especially for the knobs). Perhaps I could test the macros using the K3 terminal in the meantime but it would be great to know how the knobs are configured to trigger macros first. Advice appreciated. 73, Matt NQ6N On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Roger Marrotte wrote: > Yes it does. It comes with two 6.8 ohm resistors. One 1/8 watt leaded > resistor and one 1/10 watt smd resistor. I did the mod with the smd > resistor. It's a small resistor about the size of a large fruit fly > and it goes kind of in a tight place, especially for a left hander. I > got it in and it works so I'm happy but if I had to do it again I'd > probably used the leaded resistor. I've done some smd work before. > > Roger, W1EM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Terry Schieler > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:56 AM > To: 'Wayne Burdick' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use > your help with useful macros > > Looks like my K-Pod should arrive tomorrow. Does it come with the DC > power modification resistors and mod instructions or do I need to order those? > > 73, > > Terry, W0FM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > matt at nq6n.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 8 12:25:57 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:25:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <003601d1d935$68b9dbc0$3a2d9340$@biz> They're independent Matt. The K-Pod knob works with a rocker switch directly below the knob to operate VFO A, VFO B or the RIT/XIT offset just as if you were at the K3 front panel. However, to change the RIT/XIT offset at the K-Pod those modes do need to be initiated either by macros launched from the K-Pod or at the K3 front panel. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:50 AM To: Roger Marrotte Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Is there a specification of how the macros work with the knobs? I have not yet ordered a K-Pod, but would love to write some useful macros (especially for the knobs). Perhaps I could test the macros using the K3 terminal in the meantime but it would be great to know how the knobs are configured to trigger macros first. Advice appreciated. 73, Matt NQ6N On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Roger Marrotte wrote: > Yes it does. It comes with two 6.8 ohm resistors. One 1/8 watt leaded > resistor and one 1/10 watt smd resistor. I did the mod with the smd > resistor. It's a small resistor about the size of a large fruit fly > and it goes kind of in a tight place, especially for a left hander. I > got it in and it works so I'm happy but if I had to do it again I'd > probably used the leaded resistor. I've done some smd work before. > > Roger, W1EM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Terry Schieler > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:56 AM > To: 'Wayne Burdick' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use > your help with useful macros > > Looks like my K-Pod should arrive tomorrow. Does it come with the DC > power modification resistors and mod instructions or do I need to order those? > > 73, > > Terry, W0FM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > matt at nq6n.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From alsopb at comcast.net Fri Jul 8 12:34:23 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:34:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <004e01d1d932$dd0bb820$97232860$@elecraft.com> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> <004e01d1d932$dd0bb820$97232860$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <577FD60F.5030807@comcast.net> Are these 16 macros in addition to above those previously available in firmware to be assigned to various K3 buttons? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/8/2016 16:07 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > The most recent K3 Utility (1.16.26.5) stores 16 command macros in the K3. > You can install it now from a link at the bottom of: > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm > > Command macros 1-8 correspond to K-Pod buttons F1-F8 Hold, Command macros > 9-16 correspond to K-Pod buttons F1-F8 tap. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt > Murphy > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 08:50 > To: Roger Marrotte > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your > help with useful macros > > Is there a specification of how the macros work with the knobs? I have not > yet ordered a K-Pod, but would love to write some useful macros (especially > for the knobs). Perhaps I could test the macros using the K3 terminal in the > meantime but it would be great to know how the knobs are configured to > trigger macros first. > > Advice appreciated. > > 73, > Matt NQ6N > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Roger Marrotte > wrote: > >> Yes it does. It comes with two 6.8 ohm resistors. One 1/8 watt leaded >> resistor and one 1/10 watt smd resistor. I did the mod with the smd >> resistor. It's a small resistor about the size of a large fruit fly >> and it goes kind of in a tight place, especially for a left hander. I >> got it in and it works so I'm happy but if I had to do it again I'd >> probably used the leaded resistor. I've done some smd work before. >> >> Roger, W1EM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Terry Schieler >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:56 AM >> To: 'Wayne Burdick' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use >> your help with useful macros >> >> Looks like my K-Pod should arrive tomorrow. Does it come with the DC >> power modification resistors and mod instructions or do I need to order > those? >> >> 73, >> >> Terry, W0FM >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> matt at nq6n.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From mike.flowers at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 12:45:01 2016 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <577FD60F.5030807@comcast.net> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> <004e01d1d932$dd0bb820$97232860$@elecraft.com> <577FD60F.5030807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0e3b01d1d938$12ab0990$38011cb0$@gmail.com> It appears to me that they are the same 16 macros, which are invoked via the buttons on the K-POD. As I have many macros that I now invoke via software, I was hopeful that there might be a method by which I could have different 'macro sets', e.g. for SSB, RTTY, CW operation, contests, etc. I thought that perhaps saving a K3 configuration would also save the macro definitions, but this does not appear to be the case. I think that if the K3 Utility had the functions to allow saving and loading different user-defined 'macro sets', the utility of the K-POD would be enhanced. Just my $.02 worth ... - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:34 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help > with useful macros > > Are these 16 macros in addition to above those previously available in firmware > to be assigned to various K3 buttons? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > On 7/8/2016 16:07 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > > The most recent K3 Utility (1.16.26.5) stores 16 command macros in the K3. > > You can install it now from a link at the bottom of: > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm > > > > Command macros 1-8 correspond to K-Pod buttons F1-F8 Hold, Command > > macros > > 9-16 correspond to K-Pod buttons F1-F8 tap. > > > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > > Matt Murphy > > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 08:50 > > To: Roger Marrotte > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use > > your help with useful macros > > > > Is there a specification of how the macros work with the knobs? I have > > not yet ordered a K-Pod, but would love to write some useful macros > > (especially for the knobs). Perhaps I could test the macros using the > > K3 terminal in the meantime but it would be great to know how the > > knobs are configured to trigger macros first. > > > > Advice appreciated. > > > > 73, > > Matt NQ6N > > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Roger Marrotte > > wrote: > > > >> Yes it does. It comes with two 6.8 ohm resistors. One 1/8 watt > >> leaded resistor and one 1/10 watt smd resistor. I did the mod with > >> the smd resistor. It's a small resistor about the size of a large > >> fruit fly and it goes kind of in a tight place, especially for a left > >> hander. I got it in and it works so I'm happy but if I had to do it > >> again I'd probably used the leaded resistor. I've done some smd work > before. > >> > >> Roger, W1EM > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > >> Terry Schieler > >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:56 AM > >> To: 'Wayne Burdick' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' > >> > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use > >> your help with useful macros > >> > >> Looks like my K-Pod should arrive tomorrow. Does it come with the DC > >> power modification resistors and mod instructions or do I need to > >> order > > those? > >> > >> 73, > >> > >> Terry, W0FM > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > _ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email > >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >> matt at nq6n.com > >> > > > _____________________________________________________________ > _ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > dick at elecraft.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > _ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > alsopb at comcast.net > > > _____________________________________________________________ > _ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 8 13:06:37 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:06:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <577FD60F.5030807@comcast.net> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> <004e01d1d932$dd0bb820$97232860$@elecraft.com> <577FD60F.5030807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901d1d93b$17055ba0$451012e0$@biz> They are the macros stored in locations 1 through 16 in the K3. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:34 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Are these 16 macros in addition to above those previously available in firmware to be assigned to various K3 buttons? 73 de Brian/K3KO From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Jul 8 13:09:07 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:09:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Upper power supply voltage limit with KX3 In-Reply-To: <517531dd-fcab-6e2d-c2ee-93f3f4140432@montac.com> References: <1467971750930-7619779.post@n2.nabble.com> <517531dd-fcab-6e2d-c2ee-93f3f4140432@montac.com> Message-ID: Your analysis is right on target, Clay -- dissipation must certainly be considered. Note, however, that when he Bill suggested series diodes, he was specifically addressing the KX3, not a 100W K3. As to the use of diodes to reduce the voltage -- I'd look first at the possibility of adjusting the output voltage of the power supply regulator. Virtually all of the commercial power supplies I've seen that are intended for ham and 2-way radio service are adjustable over a range of +/- 5-10%. This is generally true of both linear and switch-mode supplies. In your application at a repeater site, I would look very carefully at the voltage and current specs of the gear. Most ham gear and commercial 2-way gear is designed for automotive operation with an alternator running. 13.8VDC is the assumed nominal voltage, with possible peaks above that depending on voltage regulation. When used in fixed installations, 13.8VDC is the usual operating voltage. I suspect that is at least part of the basis for Elecraft's design and the 15VDC max spec. Note also that distortion in many RF power amps is strongly related to power supply voltage, and is reduced as the voltage is increased. This is certainly true of Elecraft gear. 73, Jim K9YC But On Fri,7/8/2016 9:07 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > That's one way to go, but note... that while this may work great on RX, > heat dissipation MIGHT be an issue on TX. From rcrgs at verizon.net Fri Jul 8 13:17:45 2016 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:17:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <577FE039.1080205@verizon.net> My previous attempts to key either rig using the DTR/RTS lines direct from N1MM [with appropriate cables] never worked for me. So, I went with the microHAM CW keyer to interface computer and radio via the microHAM Router port emulation software and supplied cables. Works flawlessly. My K2 has the 100w addition with its DB9 jack. For FD, the club uses the N3FJP logging program. Using the CW Keyer, all connections are the same as the with K3/N1MM, and it too works flawlessly. The CW Keyer came with a CAT cable [1/8" plug to DB9 connecter] appropriate for the K2 [built and in use before the K3]. The same cable works with the K3. So, as Guy states and Don infers, using an interface device is probably preferable to a direct computer-radio setup. YMMV and OMD. ...robert On 07/08/2016 02:24, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > One N1MM/MM+ thing doable on a K3/3S you cannot do with a K2 is to use DTR > or RTS to the transceiver for logging program driven internal CW keying. > It's not in the K2 firmware, and the leads are not in the K2's DB9 jack. > You have to break out the keying and provide *some* external device to key > the K2. > > I use a Microham "CW Keyer" box (very small) to drive my K2 in contests, > and it works seamlessly. Splits out everything I need. I have a cable which > pulls off TXD, RXD and signal ground from the K2's DB9 connector on one end > and uses mini-phone-plug tip ring and sleeve to the CW Keyer. Another cord > to the K2 key jack, another for power to the CW Keyer, and a single USB > cord from the CW Keyer as the only connection to the computer. The > Microham driver software for the CW Keyer serves everything up to N1MM as > virtual serial ports. Paddle connects to the CW Keyer. > > The integration of the K2 with a KPA100 is seamless, even in a separate > enclosure, and PTT is not needed. > > N1MM+ is flawless with the K2 with my Microham CW Keyer setup. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > >> The K3 can use a standard serial cable, the the K2 *cannot*. The only >> connections for the K2 from the computer is pins 2, 3 and 5 in the cable - >> those are TXD, RXD and Signal Ground. >> >> All other pins in the K2 AUX IO connector (note that it is *not* an RS-232 >> connector and is not labeled as such) are internal K2 signals to operate >> external Elecraft devices such as the KAT100, XV transverters and the KRC2. >> >> The use of a standard PC serial cable between the K2 and the computer can >> damage both the K2 and the computer serial port. >> >> If you have no special computer connection cable with your K2, then build >> the cable described in the KIO2 or KPA100 manual or if you have the KAT100, >> build the cable shown in that manual. >> >> N1MM fully supports the K2 unless something has changed quite recently. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/7/2016 7:31 PM, Nr4c wrote: >> >>> In wondering if the same serial cable dorks withe both radios. I thought >>> the K2 cable was different. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ...nr4c. bill >>> >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:38 PM, PHILIP GRAITCER wrote: >>>> >>>> I got the K2 out for Field Day and it performed great! I?d never used >>>> the K2 with a computer, so I hooked it up and set up N1MM for the contest. >>>> >>>> I was unable to get the function keys to operate and N1MM was a little >>>> unstable, sometimes locking up. I was able to log contacts, but couldn?t >>>> send code. This isn?t the case when I use the same setup with my K3. >>>> >>>> I?m thinking that there are incompatibilities between the K2 and N1MM, >>>> probably due to the age of the K2. But I am not very capable with computers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Jul 8 13:48:58 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:48:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: <577FE039.1080205@verizon.net> References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> <577FE039.1080205@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Fri,7/8/2016 10:17 AM, Robert G Strickland wrote: > So, as Guy states and Don infers, using an interface device is > probably preferable to a direct computer-radio setup. YMMV and OMD. When I used a K2 for contesting, I made up a simple adapter that split out the DTR line from the computer to an NPN transistor that keyed the radio. Details begin on page 51 of this set of Power Point slides. The NPN inverter is shown on page 53. Following slides suggest how to get varying degrees of fancy. http://k9yc.com/HamInterfacing.pdf As has been noted, the K2 does NOT have a standard RS232 interface, and a standard DB9 cable wired for RS232 CANNOT be used directly. The K2 uses pins 2, 3, and 5 for serial interface. Other pins are used for other functions. When you build a K2 accessory that has a DB9 connector, clear instructions are provided for building a suitable cable to interface to a standard RS232 port. One thing that was WRONG about K2 accessory kits was that Elecraft provided parallel wire cable for the interface. That cable SHOULD use twisted pairs, one pair for each signaling circuit between the K2 and the computer. Ordinary CAT5 cable is an excellent choice. This is shown on pages 53-55. I successfully used this setup to control and key the radio both with WriteLog and N1MM. 73, Jim K9YC From loseeunc at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 14:02:26 2016 From: loseeunc at gmail.com (Robert Losee) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:02:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement Message-ID: It would be nice if Elecraft offered a mini-banana plug for use with the KX2 that would have a binding post or other device that would allow the counterpoise to be attached without soldering the wire -- the binding post to bnc connector is nice and the same binding post would be useful with the mini-banana plug. Bob, KO9V From k4ya at live.com Fri Jul 8 14:07:17 2016 From: k4ya at live.com (Myron Cherry) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:07:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <000901d1d93b$17055ba0$451012e0$@biz> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> <004e01d1d932$dd0bb820$97232860$@elecraft.com>, <577FD60F.5030807@comcast.net>, <000901d1d93b$17055ba0$451012e0$@biz> Message-ID: Can someone tell me how long the supplied data cable is? 73....Myron....K4YA > From: ron at cobi.biz > To: alsopb at comcast.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:06:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros > > They are the macros stored in locations 1 through 16 in the K3. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:34 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your > help with useful macros > > Are these 16 macros in addition to above those previously available in > firmware to be assigned to various K3 buttons? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4ya at live.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 8 14:43:25 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:43:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <003f01d1d928$e65e3d30$b31ab790$@swbell.net> <001001d1d92f$52c77a30$f8566e90$@verizon.net> <004e01d1d932$dd0bb820$97232860$@elecraft.com>, <577FD60F.5030807@comcast.net>, <000901d1d93b$17055ba0$451012e0$@biz> Message-ID: <001001d1d948$9c918430$d5b48c90$@biz> 30 inches (about 76 cm) 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Myron Cherry Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 11:07 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Can someone tell me how long the supplied data cable is? 73....Myron....K4YA > From: ron at cobi.biz > To: alsopb at comcast.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:06:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros > > They are the macros stored in locations 1 through 16 in the K3. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > brian > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:34 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use > your help with useful macros > > Are these 16 macros in addition to above those previously available in > firmware to be assigned to various K3 buttons? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k4ya at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Jul 8 14:51:45 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:51:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMPORTANT - Please keep all postings Cordial Message-ID: *** IMPORTANT - PLEASE KEEP ALL POSTINGS CORDIAL *** Restrain the urge to email someone admonishing them about a posting. 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Please note that Wayne, I and our support staff do not read 100% of the emails on this reflector - especially when we are busy at hamfests, ramping up new products in production etc. If you expect us to reply to a posting, and we do not do so, please email us directly or contact our great guys at support at elecraft.com 12. And above all, HAVE FUN!. We hope that this list is both a good technical resource and that it serves as a Elecraft community gathering place. We enjoy reading it every day and it really helps us keep our energy level high so we can continue getting exciting new products out the door to you! 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft COO, List Moderator, Modulator etc. From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 15:10:17 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:10:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <577ffa96.d40c6b0a.3e91b.0bcd@mx.google.com> It is not the radio but the N1MM program. Not only does my KX2 react that way so does my KX3. Baud rate does not matter. I think N1MM is a bit unstable on my Microsoft Surface 3. I run RumLog on my Apple computer and both radios work just fine. I used N1MM for the 13 colonies over the 4th of July. The N1MM gave issues when it first started and with a bit prompting started to work just fine. The thing kept switching from Run mode to S&P when I left the program to brows on the web for a bit then I switched back I had to switch it back to Run. It then operated a bit funky then settled down again.. it could be a sync issue that N1MM has. I like contesting and with this NEW Surface 3 I have could be fun if I had a stable logging program to run. Jim K9TF From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 15:12:09 2016 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 19:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K.Pod Here References: <1717615485.1011811.1468005129509.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1717615485.1011811.1468005129509.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! Just got my K.Pod. It works as expected. I would like to have some of the buttons do some specific things and need a little tutoring on programming it. Buttons 1-3, tap to? recall memory one, recall memory two and tune.? Should be easy but don't want to narf things up. I haven't done any macros before and could use a little tutoring. Thanks, Doug K6JEY ? K6JEY drzarkof56 at yahoo.com 562 810 3989? cell/text From clark.macaulay at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 15:59:00 2016 From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:59:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> <577FE039.1080205@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1468007940118-7619802.post@n2.nabble.com> All of the suggestions made about the cable and the COM settings are valid. I'd like to add one more: the type of RS-232 hardware in your computer. I could never get my K2 to run with RS-232 dongle (this was before the K3 dongle was available) and have used a "real" RS-232 card in the shack computer. I think the FTDI chipsets are better, but even those I could not get to work. If you are seeing the frequency reflected in N1MM, then your data com between the K2 and the computer is fine. What little contesting I've done using N1MM I have found to work fine with my setup. Data com issues are notorious to track down. Good luck and keep at it. Clark WU4B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-FD-and-N1MM-tp7619756p7619802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pbsbarry at buffalo.edu Fri Jul 8 16:10:41 2016 From: pbsbarry at buffalo.edu (pbsbarry) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:10:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod manual Message-ID: <43f32b3b3f6aa25a0300573b0508afbd@buffalo.edu> Sure would like to get peek at that k-pod manual....hint, hint Wayne Steve, AE2G From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Jul 8 16:23:16 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 13:23:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod manual In-Reply-To: <43f32b3b3f6aa25a0300573b0508afbd@buffalo.edu> References: <43f32b3b3f6aa25a0300573b0508afbd@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: I could be mistaken but it appears we have an impasse here; you can see the manual only if you buy a K-Pod, some of us won't buy a K-Pod until we see the manual. On 7/8/2016 1:10 PM, pbsbarry wrote: > Sure would like to get peek at that k-pod manual....hint, hint Wayne > > Steve, AE2G From btippett at alum.mit.edu Fri Jul 8 16:37:36 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 13:37:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Upper power supply voltage limit with KX3 In-Reply-To: <517531dd-fcab-6e2d-c2ee-93f3f4140432@montac.com> References: <1467971750930-7619779.post@n2.nabble.com> <517531dd-fcab-6e2d-c2ee-93f3f4140432@montac.com> Message-ID: <1468010256293-7619805.post@n2.nabble.com> Clay Autery wrote > NOW, TRANSMIT on SSB at 100W on the PA.... Just curious how you get 100W out of the KX3? ;-) 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Upper-power-supply-voltage-limit-with-KX3-tp7619776p7619805.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From aldermant at windstream.net Fri Jul 8 16:39:37 2016 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <577ffa96.d40c6b0a.3e91b.0bcd@mx.google.com> References: <577ffa96.d40c6b0a.3e91b.0bcd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> Hi Jim, N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the current supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all with various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with both of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a dim view of the writer. 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim GM Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 3:10 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys It is not the radio but the N1MM program. Not only does my KX2 react that way so does my KX3. Baud rate does not matter. I think N1MM is a bit unstable on my Microsoft Surface 3. I run RumLog on my Apple computer and both radios work just fine. I used N1MM for the 13 colonies over the 4th of July. The N1MM gave issues when it first started and with a bit prompting started to work just fine. The thing kept switching from Run mode to S&P when I left the program to brows on the web for a bit then I switched back I had to switch it back to Run. It then operated a bit funky then settled down again.. it could be a sync issue that N1MM has. I like contesting and with this NEW Surface 3 I have could be fun if I had a stable logging program to run. Jim K9TF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 8 16:43:05 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:43:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upper power supply voltage limit with KX3 In-Reply-To: <1468010256293-7619805.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1467971750930-7619779.post@n2.nabble.com> <517531dd-fcab-6e2d-c2ee-93f3f4140432@montac.com> <1468010256293-7619805.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <98d987de-64cd-3230-c5b7-0fe223610467@montac.com> Yeah, I missed that... ;-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/8/2016 3:37 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > Clay Autery wrote >> NOW, TRANSMIT on SSB at 100W on the PA.... > Just curious how you get 100W out of the KX3? ;-) > > 73, Bill W4ZV From ebjr37 at charter.net Fri Jul 8 16:49:24 2016 From: ebjr37 at charter.net (Sandy) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Interesting Band Condx Website In-Reply-To: <14445381.7cabd.155c1471f2b.Webtop.56@optonline.net> References: <14445381.7cabd.155c1471f2b.Webtop.56@optonline.net> Message-ID: <83a924d4-8672-367f-fe45-0ac000b75104@charter.net> Even though this is a simple display it seems to be fairly accurate and updated. 73, Sandy W5TVW On 7/6/2016 12:35 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > This website just came to my attention. Perhaps it might be of > interest to others. > > http://www.bandconditions.com/ > > > Stan WB2LQF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ebjr37 at charter.net From dm4im at t-online.de Fri Jul 8 16:52:35 2016 From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:52:35 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] New version NaP3 Message-ID: <57801293.3030007@t-online.de> FYI, thanks to DL2FHO i found this on the LPPan webite: http://www.telepostinc.com/Files/NaP3%20v5%20install.zip Its a new version NaP3 v5.0 . Finally , the dx cluster spot function works , and some other new settings for the display. Someone is working on it. It still crashes on my Win7 when Direct I/Q (for CWskimmer etc) is checked in the VAC tab. If someone knows how to fix that, please let me know. -- Ohne CW ist es nur CB.. 73, Martin DM4iM From ve2ebk at hotmail.com Fri Jul 8 17:23:43 2016 From: ve2ebk at hotmail.com (VE2EBK) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:23:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros Message-ID: Where can I find the K-Pod manual in PDF? Dany VE2EBK From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Jul 8 17:30:38 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:30:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2]Win4K3Suite now supports the KX2! Message-ID: <5AE6137551034D86B20B06E341CFDF27@tomsPC> Win4K3Suite can turn your KX2 into a powerfull base station integrating all your logging programs and the full line of Elecraft hardware. Using the same interface as for the popular KX3, Win4K3Suite allows integration of the KXPA100, the KAT500 and the KPA500 with the KX2.All features are supported such as : - Support the the antenna tuner, KAT500, KPA500 and more. - Support for frequency memories - Built in cluster software that can use your ClubLog profile - Built in terminal providing CW, FSK and PSK decoding from your KX2. - Integration with all logging and digital mode programs such as HRD Logbook, DXLabs, N1MM and more. - Full access to almost all regular and tech mode menu items. Win4K3Suite offers a free full featured 30 day trial. You can see it in action here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU and the trial is at va2fsq.com Thank, Tom va2fsq.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From wmgoins at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 17:44:04 2016 From: wmgoins at gmail.com (Michael Goins) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:44:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Estate of Henry, W5HNS Message-ID: I lost my 40 year good friend and Elmer, Henry, W5HNS, earlier this week and I am now disposing of his gear for his XYL, Winnie. Wayne has graciously allowed me permission to post that I have a list of gear available I will email anyone interested. There is an autotunes, power supplies, A Kenwood rig, paddle, etc. - so good stuff. All proceeds will go to Winnie. Thanks for the bandwidth. Michael Goins, k5wmg Professor, English Northwest Vista College From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 8 17:53:22 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:53:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod manual In-Reply-To: References: <43f32b3b3f6aa25a0300573b0508afbd@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <001701d1d963$25b67800$71236800$@biz> I saw Wayne ask for it to be posted on the Elecraft web site ASAP earlier. Unfortunately I am over 600 miles north of Watsonville on the Oregon coast, so I'm powerless to help with that. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 1:23 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k-pod manual I could be mistaken but it appears we have an impasse here; you can see the manual only if you buy a K-Pod, some of us won't buy a K-Pod until we see the manual. On 7/8/2016 1:10 PM, pbsbarry wrote: > Sure would like to get peek at that k-pod manual....hint, hint Wayne > > Steve, AE2G From eric at elecraft.com Fri Jul 8 18:17:20 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:17:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and WG0AT above 14,000 ft on QST August Cover Message-ID: <5370eb81-9b4a-9e41-62a8-4085608b71c0@elecraft.com> If you are a QST subscriber, check out the great picture of the KX2 and WG0AT operating above 14,000 ft on the cover of this months QST! http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/arrl/qst_201608/ 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 18:22:42 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:22:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter Message-ID: For some reason, I seem to have lost my mind. I attribute it to congenital CRS. :) I thought there was some way to easily swap between CMP/ALC and SWR/PWR on the KX3. Is my rememberer that bad? 73, Joel - W4JBB From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Fri Jul 8 18:36:05 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:36:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not exactly what you're asking for, but for stackable, non-solder mini banana plugs, try Pomona #2945s; you can get them from Mouser and other places online. I use the Pomona #3296 mini binding post adapter for my wire antennas, so mini-banana is my common connector. Biggest downside is that the Pomona parts are pricey. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:03 AM Robert Losee wrote: > It would be nice if Elecraft offered a mini-banana plug for use with the > KX2 that would have a binding post or other device that would allow the > counterpoise to be attached without soldering the wire -- the binding post > to bnc connector is nice and the same binding post would be useful with the > mini-banana plug. > Bob, KO9V > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net > From n7xy at n7xy.net Fri Jul 8 18:36:43 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:36:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and WG0AT above 14,000 ft on QST August Cover In-Reply-To: <5370eb81-9b4a-9e41-62a8-4085608b71c0@elecraft.com> References: <5370eb81-9b4a-9e41-62a8-4085608b71c0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Cool! At that altitude you really need to travel light and the KX2 is ideal. I took a Tempo S1 (one of the early 2 meter handhelds) to the 14,505 ft. Mt. Whitney summit in 1983 and made a handful of contacts. 73, Bob N7XY (proud owner of KX2 #00385) On 7/8/16 3:17 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > If you are a QST subscriber, check out the great picture of the KX2 > and WG0AT operating above 14,000 ft on the cover of this months QST! > > http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/arrl/qst_201608/ > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 8 18:42:37 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Interesting Band Condx Website In-Reply-To: <83a924d4-8672-367f-fe45-0ac000b75104@charter.net> References: <14445381.7cabd.155c1471f2b.Webtop.56@optonline.net> <83a924d4-8672-367f-fe45-0ac000b75104@charter.net> Message-ID: There is a LOT of information there if you start digging past the landing page.... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/8/2016 3:49 PM, Sandy wrote: > Even though this is a simple display it seems to be fairly accurate > and updated. > > > 73, > > Sandy W5TVW > > > On 7/6/2016 12:35 PM, stan levandowski wrote: >> This website just came to my attention. Perhaps it might be of >> interest to others. >> >> http://www.bandconditions.com/ >> >> >> Stan WB2LQF From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Jul 8 18:46:17 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:46:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and WG0AT above 14,000 ft on QST August Cover In-Reply-To: <5370eb81-9b4a-9e41-62a8-4085608b71c0@elecraft.com> References: <5370eb81-9b4a-9e41-62a8-4085608b71c0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <41b562df-341e-036d-f80e-d4e2482271a0@socal.rr.com> OK, Eric. But when does the Mt. Everest challenge occur? :-) Perhaps there could be a temp issue, though. Phil W7OX On 7/8/16 3:17 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > If you are a QST subscriber, check out the great > picture of the KX2 and WG0AT operating above > 14,000 ft on the cover of this months QST! > > http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/arrl/qst_201608/ > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Jul 8 18:47:55 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:47:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15A7A065-4E70-485E-93E7-70C443759A75@elecraft.com> It's on our website, now, at: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#kpod Wayne N6KR On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:23 PM, VE2EBK wrote: > Where can I find the K-Pod manual in PDF? > > > > Dany VE2EBK > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From pg at fivesevenfive.org Fri Jul 8 18:47:42 2016 From: pg at fivesevenfive.org (Phil Genera) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 18:47:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod manual In-Reply-To: <001701d1d963$25b67800$71236800$@biz> References: <43f32b3b3f6aa25a0300573b0508afbd@buffalo.edu> <001701d1d963$25b67800$71236800$@biz> Message-ID: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20A.pdf -- Phil On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I saw Wayne ask for it to be posted on the Elecraft web site ASAP earlier. > Unfortunately I am over 600 miles north of Watsonville on the Oregon coast, > so I'm powerless to help with that. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes > Stewart > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 1:23 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k-pod manual > > I could be mistaken but it appears we have an impasse here; you can see the > manual only if you buy a K-Pod, some of us won't buy a K-Pod until we see > the manual. > > On 7/8/2016 1:10 PM, pbsbarry wrote: > > Sure would like to get peek at that k-pod manual....hint, hint Wayne > > > > Steve, AE2G > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pg at fivesevenfive.org > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Jul 8 19:32:07 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't have a KX3, but on my K3, it's a HOLD of the DISP/METER button. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 7/8/2016 3:22 PM, Joel Black wrote: > For some reason, I seem to have lost my mind. I attribute it to > congenital CRS. :) > > I thought there was some way to easily swap between CMP/ALC and > SWR/PWR on the KX3. Is my rememberer that bad? > > 73, Joel - W4JBB From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 8 19:49:05 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:49:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod manual In-Reply-To: References: <43f32b3b3f6aa25a0300573b0508afbd@buffalo.edu> <001701d1d963$25b67800$71236800$@biz> Message-ID: <002f01d1d973$509cba10$f1d62e30$@biz> Tnx Phil. For some reason the web master called it "K-Pod Owner's Manual Notes" but it is the current Owner's Manual. But there it is! Ron -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Genera Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 3:48 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire Cc: Wes Stewart; Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k-pod manual http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20A.p df -- Phil On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I saw Wayne ask for it to be posted on the Elecraft web site ASAP earlier. > Unfortunately I am over 600 miles north of Watsonville on the Oregon > coast, so I'm powerless to help with that. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Wes Stewart > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 1:23 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k-pod manual > > I could be mistaken but it appears we have an impasse here; you can > see the manual only if you buy a K-Pod, some of us won't buy a K-Pod > until we see the manual. > > On 7/8/2016 1:10 PM, pbsbarry wrote: > > Sure would like to get peek at that k-pod manual....hint, hint > > Wayne > > > > Steve, AE2G > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > pg at fivesevenfive.org > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Jul 8 19:51:26 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 18:51:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> <577FE039.1080205@verizon.net> Message-ID: <52cc4727-525c-de7a-f10f-3956f21cb527@ac0h.net> I have done it both ways. The transistor interface and an outboard keyer, the Winkey USB. I prefer the Winkeyer because it makes it easy to hook up the paddle and computer. I don't know of a contesting program that doesn't support it. It also avoids the Windows multi-tasking issues which can occasionally screw up the sent code. It's also a kick but standalone keyer. Better than the one in the K2. On 7/8/2016 12:48 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,7/8/2016 10:17 AM, Robert G Strickland wrote: >> So, as Guy states and Don infers, using an interface device is >> probably preferable to a direct computer-radio setup. YMMV and OMD. > > When I used a K2 for contesting, I made up a simple adapter that split > out the DTR line from the computer to an NPN transistor that keyed the > radio. Details begin on page 51 of this set of Power Point slides. The > NPN inverter is shown on page 53. Following slides suggest how to get > varying degrees of fancy. > > http://k9yc.com/HamInterfacing.pdf > > As has been noted, the K2 does NOT have a standard RS232 interface, > and a standard DB9 cable wired for RS232 CANNOT be used directly. The > K2 uses pins 2, 3, and 5 for serial interface. Other pins are used for > other functions. When you build a K2 accessory that has a DB9 > connector, clear instructions are provided for building a suitable > cable to interface to a standard RS232 port. > > One thing that was WRONG about K2 accessory kits was that Elecraft > provided parallel wire cable for the interface. That cable SHOULD use > twisted pairs, one pair for each signaling circuit between the K2 and > the computer. Ordinary CAT5 cable is an excellent choice. This is > shown on pages 53-55. > > I successfully used this setup to control and key the radio both with > WriteLog and N1MM. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From eric at elecraft.com Fri Jul 8 19:55:12 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:55:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod manual In-Reply-To: <002f01d1d973$509cba10$f1d62e30$@biz> References: <43f32b3b3f6aa25a0300573b0508afbd@buffalo.edu> <001701d1d963$25b67800$71236800$@biz> <002f01d1d973$509cba10$f1d62e30$@biz> Message-ID: The K-Pod manual is already on the manual download page. See: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#kpod You may need to refresh your browser page to see the kpod entry in that page's table of contents. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/8/2016 4:49 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Tnx Phil. For some reason the web master called it "K-Pod Owner's Manual > Notes" but it is the current Owner's Manual. > > But there it is! > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil > Genera > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 3:48 PM > To: Ron D'Eau Claire > Cc: Wes Stewart; Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k-pod manual > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20A.p > df > > -- > Phil > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > >> I saw Wayne ask for it to be posted on the Elecraft web site ASAP earlier. >> Unfortunately I am over 600 miles north of Watsonville on the Oregon >> coast, so I'm powerless to help with that. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Wes Stewart >> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 1:23 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k-pod manual >> >> I could be mistaken but it appears we have an impasse here; you can >> see the manual only if you buy a K-Pod, some of us won't buy a K-Pod >> until we see the manual. >> >> On 7/8/2016 1:10 PM, pbsbarry wrote: >>> Sure would like to get peek at that k-pod manual....hint, hint >>> Wayne >>> >>> Steve, AE2G >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> pg at fivesevenfive.org >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Jul 8 20:11:35 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:11:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod arrival Message-ID: Well, my K-Pod has arrived, beating both firmware 5.50 getting out of beta and the Mac version of the 1.16.3.11 utility. (I had a little side bet with myself.) However, the Mac utility version 1.15.6.27 seems to support 16 macro slots, so perhaps it is current enough. While I'm thinking about the utility, it would be great if all the Elecraft utilities were in the Apple store the same way that RUMlogNG is. Then updating to the newest version would be automatic. Somewhat less desirable would be if they were signed by a registered Apple developer. Then I wouldn't have to fuss with the security settings on my Mac to run a new version. 73 Bill AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Airline peanut bag: "Produced | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | in a facility that processes | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | peanuts and other nuts." - Duh | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Jul 8 20:24:21 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:24:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1468023861521-7619825.post@n2.nabble.com> Tap keyer/mic to switch CMP/ALC Power / SWR switch auto,automatically on transmit. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-PWR-CMP-ALC-Meter-tp7619814p7619825.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 21:39:49 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:39:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter In-Reply-To: <1468023861521-7619825.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468023861521-7619825.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8E50B274-1C27-486E-B5C0-D43FC061F8F8@gmail.com> Thanks, Bob. Not sure why that was escaping me. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 8, 2016, at 19:24, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > Tap keyer/mic to switch CMP/ALC Power / SWR switch auto,automatically on > transmit. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-PWR-CMP-ALC-Meter-tp7619814p7619825.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com From fcady at montana.edu Fri Jul 8 22:26:01 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:26:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter In-Reply-To: <8E50B274-1C27-486E-B5C0-D43FC061F8F8@gmail.com> References: <1468023861521-7619825.post@n2.nabble.com>, <8E50B274-1C27-486E-B5C0-D43FC061F8F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: That display seems to act differently depending on if you have SSB -CW or SSB +CW. Cheers, Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Joel Black Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:39 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter Thanks, Bob. Not sure why that was escaping me. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 8, 2016, at 19:24, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > Tap keyer/mic to switch CMP/ALC Power / SWR switch auto,automatically on > transmit. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-PWR-CMP-ALC-Meter-tp7619814p7619825.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Jul 8 22:36:08 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 19:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] rfi Message-ID: Hi all, I have a K3 & P3. I operate both locally on an HOA-stealth EFHW on the fence, and remote to W7RN. The P3 works at home, but not when I'm remote of course. Running at home on 80m, I see what appears to be an SMPS -- ramps up rapidly going up in frequency, then tails off, waterfall shows closely spaced signals that get closer higher in frequency. While my hearing is compromised from activities in my 20's, I honestly do not hear any change in noise as I tune across this. However, when I switch to ANT 2 which is open, it goes away. When I'm remote to W7RN, the P3 shows +/-10 KHz span [which seems to be fixed], no signals [or course] and this same RFI signal on 80m. W7RN is 60 +/- km from me. The P3 doesn't really do anything when I'm in remote mode of course. This would suggest that the noise is getting into the P3 8MHz input, but ... I do not see this noise on any other band which suggests it is NOT getting in at 8 MHz. 8 MHz is also a little high for such RFI. I'm puzzled and I like to understand things. I don't care where the noise is originating, and I know how to find sources like that. I'm just trying to find an explanation for the behavior I see. Old Engineers don't like things they can't explain. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn From jthorpe at liberty.edu Fri Jul 8 23:03:42 2016 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:03:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 memory - odd behavior with RCL Message-ID: <4B8486B4-711A-4973-8444-1D30FA7EBF00@liberty.edu> Does anyone else notice this: I hold RCL, dial VFO A to select the memory I want, then tap any key to exit. Everything looks ok, until I try to tune VFO A, but instead of normal tuning, it rotates through the memory channels again, but only within the same band I started out in. (My memories are all in sequential order of frequency, so I don't know if it would 'hop' over any if they weren't sequential.) VFO A won't go back to normal tuning until I've tapped Band+ or -. Jeff - kg7hdz From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 01:20:48 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:20:48 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, FD, and N1MM In-Reply-To: References: <5C06EE64-D046-467D-9679-A68755B62CD3@me.com> <7CA87B28-C0D7-4E83-BB52-0C040B804616@widomaker.com> <291d040b-26c3-b800-1f76-348f1f9eb80d@embarqmail.com> <577FE039.1080205@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7118902E-6D72-487A-9631-FCFCC005D943@gmail.com> I long ago built this into my K2. I used the wire intended for ALC, which I don't use, connected to the DTR pin of the DB9. The ALC line conveniently goes to the K2 control board through the connector with the RF board. I put the transistor on the back of the control board, along with a pair of Schottky diodes connected to the dit and dah inputs to the microprocessor. Then all I had to do was activate the K2 menu option that allows simultaneous paddle closure to key the rig. No extra wires needed. Vic 4X6GP > On 8 Jul 2016, at 20:48, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Fri,7/8/2016 10:17 AM, Robert G Strickland wrote: >> So, as Guy states and Don infers, using an interface device is probably preferable to a direct computer-radio setup. YMMV and OMD. > > When I used a K2 for contesting, I made up a simple adapter that split out the DTR line from the computer to an NPN transistor that keyed the radio. Details begin on page 51 of this set of Power Point slides. The NPN inverter is shown on page 53. Following slides suggest how to get varying degrees of fancy. > > http://k9yc.com/HamInterfacing.pdf > > As has been noted, the K2 does NOT have a standard RS232 interface, and a standard DB9 cable wired for RS232 CANNOT be used directly. The K2 uses pins 2, 3, and 5 for serial interface. Other pins are used for other functions. When you build a K2 accessory that has a DB9 connector, clear instructions are provided for building a suitable cable to interface to a standard RS232 port. > > One thing that was WRONG about K2 accessory kits was that Elecraft provided parallel wire cable for the interface. That cable SHOULD use twisted pairs, one pair for each signaling circuit between the K2 and the computer. Ordinary CAT5 cable is an excellent choice. This is shown on pages 53-55. > > I successfully used this setup to control and key the radio both with WriteLog and N1MM. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From acdmeagher at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 01:41:28 2016 From: acdmeagher at gmail.com (Chris Meagher) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:41:28 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 erratic VFO Message-ID: I'm getting erratic behaviour of the VFO. it will suddenly jump to frequencies outside of ham bands e.g. 200MHz, or will lurch back and forth in a band. It is triggered when turning the main knob or also RIT/XIT knob configured as fast tune. When powered off and back on, seems to always return to 28.xxx MHz. I have tried re-do firmware, re-init, recal VCO, and still it persists. CAL VFO fixed it for a day or 2 but now its back. Elecraft support suggested remove front panel and deoxit the pins. Before I go to this far, I wonder if anyone has`a similar experience or suggestions. Radio is presently unusable, after many years of trouble free operation.. (Serial no 685) Chris VK2ACD From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 01:50:20 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 00:50:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> References: <577ffa96.d40c6b0a.3e91b.0bcd@mx.google.com> <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <57809099.d4266b0a.7d5d6.474d@mx.google.com> No Running N1MM Logger + I am running KX3 and KX2 with Windows 10 on a Surface 3 is what I am running. Also running the same 2 radios on RumLog on my Apple computer. ZNo problems with the Apple. Just maybe it might no be the N1MM but Windows 10. If other people have the same issues then It still maybe N1MM. May have to switch to N3FJP Logging program and use Win4K3 he is working on the KX2 update. Jim K9TF From: Chester Alderman From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 02:01:44 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <57809099.d4266b0a.7d5d6.474d@mx.google.com> References: <577ffa96.d40c6b0a.3e91b.0bcd@mx.google.com> <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> <57809099.d4266b0a.7d5d6.474d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57809345.0fe4240a.b85ad.6dbf@mx.google.com> Here are the other issues. The CQ Repeat function has no Pause like 5 seconds then starts.? The Repeat Time setting Does not do any thing that I have noticed. ? Also CW speed control does not work. I works manually when I turn the knob on the KX2 and 3. Jim K9TF From: Jim GM From graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk Sat Jul 9 04:54:12 2016 From: graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk (graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:54:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 erratic VFO Message-ID: <20887874.5447298.1468054452956.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk> Hi Chris, A few months ago I updated the K3 (sn5845) firmware from 5.29 to 5.38. I started to have a similar experiences, VFO's jumping Freq etc. I was given similar advise, to try working backwards removing newly installed boards and reinstalling them. Before trying this I decided to go back to firmware 5.29 and last known working config file. This completely cured the problem and K3 is still working fine, so far not plucked up courage to try updating to 5.38 again. If your problem started after updating your firmware, try going back to previous version it might solve the problem. best of luck Chris. 73's Gray G3VIP From aldermant at windstream.net Sat Jul 9 05:26:49 2016 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 05:26:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <57809345.0fe4240a.b85ad.6dbf@mx.google.com> References: <577ffa96.d40c6b0a.3e91b.0bcd@mx.google.com> <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> <57809099.d4266b0a.7d5d6.474d@mx.google.com> <57809345.0fe4240a.b85ad.6dbf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007201d1d9c4$05a21220$10e63660$@windstream.net> Well Jim from your comments it seems pretty obvious that you need to read some of the very comprehensive documentation for N1MM+. My CW speed control always works correct by using the PageUp and PageDown keys. The CQ Repeat pause function is set in the Config menu, by the USER! It is probably best that you take this topic to the N1MM+ reflector where you will find excellent support; however N1MM+ is a very comprehensive contest program and new users MUST read the setup documentation to get the program running correct and to understand how the program works. 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim GM Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 2:02 AM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Here are the other issues. The CQ Repeat function has no Pause like 5 seconds then starts. The Repeat Time setting Does not do any thing that I have noticed. Also CW speed control does not work. I works manually when I turn the knob on the KX2 and 3. Jim K9TF From: Jim GM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From g3nhl at zen.co.uk Sat Jul 9 05:59:06 2016 From: g3nhl at zen.co.uk (Chris Lewis) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:59:06 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Message-ID: <003b01d1d9c8$8834e6f0$989eb4d0$@co.uk> Hi, Can anyone please tell me how the TX monitor facility on the P3 picks up RF? As there are two options, 100w and 2KW, is it an inline sampling device on the antenna cable, please? If you have the 2KW version, does it work adequately when running barefoot at 100w? Thanks 73 Chris G3NHL From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Jul 9 06:42:41 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:42:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + Message-ID: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more current info? ----------- 12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users? No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM Logger on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux clients. Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is not a configuration that the Dev Team can support ------------ Ted, KN1CBR Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400 From: "Chester Alderman" To: "'Jim GM'" , "'Elecraft'" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Jim, N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the current supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all with various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with both of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a dim view of the writer. 73, Tom - W4BQF From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 9 07:12:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 07:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon In-Reply-To: <003b01d1d9c8$8834e6f0$989eb4d0$@co.uk> References: <003b01d1d9c8$8834e6f0$989eb4d0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Chris, The TXMON uses a in-line sampling coupler. The choices are 200 watt and 2000 watt. The 2000 watt coupler displays power in 1 watt increments while the 200 watt displays the power in 0.1 watt units. Whether that is adequate for your needs or not is only for you to say. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/9/2016 5:59 AM, Chris Lewis wrote: > Can anyone please tell me how the TX monitor facility on the P3 picks up RF? > As there are two options, 100w and 2KW, is it an inline sampling device on > the antenna cable, please? If you have the 2KW version, does it work > adequately when running barefoot at 100w? > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 9 07:18:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 07:18:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 memory - odd behavior with RCL In-Reply-To: <4B8486B4-711A-4973-8444-1D30FA7EBF00@liberty.edu> References: <4B8486B4-711A-4973-8444-1D30FA7EBF00@liberty.edu> Message-ID: Jeff, Do you have an "*" in the text field of those memories? If so, that is the indicator that those memories are to be used for channel hopping, and behavior will be exactly as you have described. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/8/2016 11:03 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: > Does anyone else notice this: > > I hold RCL, dial VFO A to select the memory I want, then tap any key to exit. > Everything looks ok, until I try to tune VFO A, but instead of normal tuning, it rotates through the memory channels again, but only within the same band I started out in. (My memories are all in sequential order of frequency, so I don't know if it would 'hop' over any if they weren't sequential.) > > VFO A won't go back to normal tuning until I've tapped Band+ or -. > > From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 07:24:55 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 06:24:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter In-Reply-To: References: <1468023861521-7619825.post@n2.nabble.com> <8E50B274-1C27-486E-B5C0-D43FC061F8F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: I should have stated this in my initial post. I was specifically looking for how to switch in data modes. Bob cleared that up. However, you are correct, Fred. In SSB *or* SSB +CW, I have to press the CMP button to get the CMP/ALC meter to come up. A tap of the KEYER/MIC knob doesn?t do it - it just switches between CW speed and MIC gain. Now, I?m glad you brought up SSB -CW and SSB +CW. I knew I had that on my K3 and I thought I had it on my KX3 but I couldn?t remember how to activate it on the KX3. Somehow (again, the memory eludes me), I got SSB +CW working. It?s not that big a deal I don?t guess except when you want to check power out without going, ?Hello, test, this is W4JBB.? :) Thanks and 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 8, 2016, at 21:26, Cady, Fred wrote: > > That display seems to act differently depending on if you have SSB -CW or SSB +CW. > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > > From: Elecraft on behalf of Joel Black > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:39 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter > > Thanks, Bob. Not sure why that was escaping me. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > > > On Jul 8, 2016, at 19:24, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > > > Tap keyer/mic to switch CMP/ALC Power / SWR switch auto,automatically on > > transmit. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-PWR-CMP-ALC-Meter-tp7619814p7619825.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 07:48:58 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 06:48:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Behringer HA400 Headphone Amp - Partial Review, Partial Wish List Item Message-ID: After having decided that the KX3 / PX3 combo would satisfy my amateur radio needs, I sold my K3 / P3 combo. The only thing I *really* miss is the ability to operate voice and data modes with the simple use of a macro - no cables to disconnect and others to reconnect. I truly miss that. If someone (HINT, HINT, Elecraft) could come up with a module where I could have my mic and headphones hooked *plus* my sound card connections, I would be set. What would it be worth? I don?t know - $100 to $200 I think would be in the ballpark. Until that time comes, I will have to swap out my MIC and my sound card IN connections but, because of some folks on this list, I don?t have to do that with the audio OUT of the KX3. A couple of days ago, the Behringer HA400 Headphone Amp I ordered arrived. I quickly took it out of the carton, hooked up the SMPS that comes with it, and connected the PHONES OUT of the KX3 to the input and hooked up my headphones, Oontz Angle Speaker (which I?m *not* enamored with), and my sound card IN. The Behringer HA400 works very well for what it is - a $25 stereo headphone amp with multiple outputs. I don?t notice any noise increase from the SMPS included with it, but I will cut off the ?wall wart? portion of it, install PowerPoles, and connect to my DC distribution panel. The audio coming out of the KX3 is somewhat muted so I have to run the KX3 AF up to about 35 to hear anything out of the Oontz Angle. Doing that, I have the volume on the HA400 almost 1/2-way for the Oontz Angle speaker. I am somewhat hard of hearing so others may find a lower output fine. I will try another set of speakers and see if it?s just the Oontz Angle. Using my Sony MDR-V6 headphones, I have to run the AF up on my KX3 to about 14 to get good audio out. Again, the output volume on the HA400 is about 1/2-way. I also run the HA400 audio out for the sound card up about 1/2-way. In all honesty, if you run the audio out on the HA400 more than 1/2-way, it acts like a cheap preamp on a TV antenna - it amplifies everything. It introduces too much noise to the audio path and decreases the amount of intelligible audio out. The HA400 is not a perfect solution but it works well enough for a $25 addition. I *do* wish Elecraft (or someone else) could come up with some sort of add-on module for the KX3 (or the KX2 which I don?t have) that would make it much easier to switch between voice and data modes. There is an audio board made by TI called the C5535 (Google "TMS320C5535 eZdsp USB Kit") that is very nice but also require a USB connection to the computer. If an add-on module was developed around that board, I think that would be a wonderful solution. Thoughts? Wayne? I?d let Elecraft use my C5535 as a prototype. :) Sorry, I?m not a designer, just a user but I?d surely pay for that. Thanks for the bandwidth and have a great weekend. 73, Joel - W4JBB From neilmartinsenburrell at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 08:11:50 2016 From: neilmartinsenburrell at gmail.com (Neil Martinsen-Burrell) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 07:11:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> Message-ID: On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: > > Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more current info? That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who has reported success with that setup. -Neil N0FN From ve3iay at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 08:27:21 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: "The thing kept switching from Run mode to S&P when I left the program to browse on the web for a bit then I switched back I had to switch it back to Run": The N1MM+ program automatically switches from Run to S&P whenever you QSY by more than a user-adjustable frequency tolerance. If you inadvertently or intentionally moved the tuning knob on the radio while you were off doing something else, that would switch the program from Run to S&P. If you want to start running on a new frequency after going off and doing something else, simply press the F1 (CQ) key. In addition to sending your CQ message, this automatically switches the program from S&P to Run mode. "The CQ Repeat function has no pause ... The Repeat Time setting does not do anything ...": I'm betting that you are using the CAT1ASC macro with KY commands to send CW. This CW keying method is not supported by N1MM+. It works, sort of, but there are several features of N1MM+ that do not work properly, or at all, with this method. One of these is that the CQ repeat time has to be set long enough to include the entire duration of the CQ message plus the pause between messages, not just the desired pause time as it would with a supported keying method. Try a really long repeat time, then experiment with shortening it until you get a reasonable duration of the pause between messages - but recognize that every time you change CW speeds, you will have to adjust the repeat time as well. "CW speed control does not work": If you are using the KY command method, that's correct, it doesn't. That's one of the program features that do not work with this unsupported keying method. There is a list of shortcomings of the KY command method of CW keying from N1MM+ in the N1MM+ documentation. Go to n1mm.com, click on Documents > 2. Digging Deeper, then select Chapter 5.1 Serial Parallel and Sound Card Interfacing and on that page select section 3.2 Choosing your CW Method - or just go directly to < http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Serial+Parallel+and+Sound+Card+Interfacing&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#Choosing_Your_CW_Method>. If you can live with all of these, fine. If you want to use N1MM+ and you cannot live without one or more of the features in the list, you will have to do what it takes to implement one of the supported CW keying methods. 73, Rich VE3KI From kzeroxb at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 09:14:14 2016 From: kzeroxb at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod not working? Message-ID: <1e596740-2408-51bc-ae36-ba921d3cb172@gmail.com> I received my new K-Pod yesterday, and I connected it this morning. But the tuning function doesn't work. Can someone suggest what I am doing wrong? I'm using it with a K3, S/N 8019 with software version 5.38. I am powering it from the 12V connector on the back of the K3, since I have not done the mod to power it from the data cable. The data cable is connected too of course. The "on" light turns on as well as the D1-D3 LEDs as I switch the rocker switch to different positions. But the VFOA, VFOB and RIT do not change as I turn the knob on the K-Pod. I thought there might be a menu entry to enable it, but I don't see anything like that. Even though it looks like it's powering on OK, do I have to do the mod anyway? Any other suggestions? 73, Rick K0XB From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 9 09:20:00 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:20:00 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Behringer HA400 Headphone Amp - Partial Review, Partial Wish List Item In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joel, I also needed to switch between microphones and Data input with my KX3. I built a simple switch box myself, nothing more than some sockets, switches and wires. It allows me to select headset mic, desk mic or sound card. Also use the HA 400 on the receive side. I leave the KX3 audio at 40 all the time and adjust the HA400 to give me the volume I need, which for my sound card and wireless headphones is about 50% vol. My powered speakers and wired headphones about 25%. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 9 Jul 2016, at 12:48, Joel Black wrote: > > After having decided that the KX3 / PX3 combo would satisfy my amateur radio needs, I sold my K3 / P3 combo. The only thing I *really* miss is the ability to operate voice and data modes with the simple use of a macro - no cables to disconnect and others to reconnect. I truly miss that. If someone (HINT, HINT, Elecraft) could come up with a module where I could have my mic and headphones hooked *plus* my sound card connections, I would be set. What would it be worth? I don?t know - $100 to $200 I think would be in the ballpark. Until that time comes, I will have to swap out my MIC and my sound card IN connections but, because of some folks on this list, I don?t have to do that with the audio OUT of the KX3. > > A couple of days ago, the Behringer HA400 Headphone Amp I ordered arrived. I quickly took it out of the carton, hooked up the SMPS that comes with it, and connected the PHONES OUT of the KX3 to the input and hooked up my headphones, Oontz Angle Speaker (which I?m *not* enamored with), and my sound card IN. The Behringer HA400 works very well for what it is - a $25 stereo headphone amp with multiple outputs. > > I don?t notice any noise increase from the SMPS included with it, but I will cut off the ?wall wart? portion of it, install PowerPoles, and connect to my DC distribution panel. The audio coming out of the KX3 is somewhat muted so I have to run the KX3 AF up to about 35 to hear anything out of the Oontz Angle. Doing that, I have the volume on the HA400 almost 1/2-way for the Oontz Angle speaker. I am somewhat hard of hearing so others may find a lower output fine. I will try another set of speakers and see if it?s just the Oontz Angle. > > Using my Sony MDR-V6 headphones, I have to run the AF up on my KX3 to about 14 to get good audio out. Again, the output volume on the HA400 is about 1/2-way. I also run the HA400 audio out for the sound card up about 1/2-way. > > In all honesty, if you run the audio out on the HA400 more than 1/2-way, it acts like a cheap preamp on a TV antenna - it amplifies everything. It introduces too much noise to the audio path and decreases the amount of intelligible audio out. > > The HA400 is not a perfect solution but it works well enough for a $25 addition. I *do* wish Elecraft (or someone else) could come up with some sort of add-on module for the KX3 (or the KX2 which I don?t have) that would make it much easier to switch between voice and data modes. There is an audio board made by TI called the C5535 (Google "TMS320C5535 eZdsp USB Kit") that is very nice but also require a USB connection to the computer. If an add-on module was developed around that board, I think that would be a wonderful solution. > > Thoughts? Wayne? I?d let Elecraft use my C5535 as a prototype. :) > > Sorry, I?m not a designer, just a user but I?d surely pay for that. > > Thanks for the bandwidth and have a great weekend. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From lists at subich.com Sat Jul 9 09:20:32 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:20:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod not working? In-Reply-To: <1e596740-2408-51bc-ae36-ba921d3cb172@gmail.com> References: <1e596740-2408-51bc-ae36-ba921d3cb172@gmail.com> Message-ID: <617b9003-1483-98d8-8c99-1ba151894295@subich.com> > I'm using it with a K3, S/N 8019 with software version 5.38. As previously documented, the KPOD requires firmware 5.50 (beta) 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/9/2016 9:14 AM, Rick wrote: > I received my new K-Pod yesterday, and I connected it this morning. But > the tuning function doesn't work. Can someone suggest what I am doing > wrong? > > I'm using it with a K3, S/N 8019 with software version 5.38. I am > powering it from the 12V connector on the back of the K3, since I have > not done the mod to power it from the data cable. The data cable is > connected too of course. The "on" light turns on as well as the D1-D3 > LEDs as I switch the rocker switch to different positions. But the VFOA, > VFOB and RIT do not change as I turn the knob on the K-Pod. > > I thought there might be a menu entry to enable it, but I don't see > anything like that. Even though it looks like it's powering on OK, do I > have to do the mod anyway? Any other suggestions? > > 73, Rick K0XB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kzeroxb at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 09:30:25 2016 From: kzeroxb at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:30:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod not working? In-Reply-To: <617b9003-1483-98d8-8c99-1ba151894295@subich.com> References: <617b9003-1483-98d8-8c99-1ba151894295@subich.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joe! I had misread the manual regarding what SW I needed. 73, Rick K0XB From jthorpe at liberty.edu Sat Jul 9 09:36:25 2016 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:36:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 memory - odd behavior with RCL In-Reply-To: References: <4B8486B4-711A-4973-8444-1D30FA7EBF00@liberty.edu> , Message-ID: Guess I misunderstood how channel hopping worked, not ever having tried to use it before. Looks like I've been unintentionally using it. Thanks Don. Jeff - kg7hdz > On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Jeff, > > Do you have an "*" in the text field of those memories? > If so, that is the indicator that those memories are to be used for channel hopping, and behavior will be exactly as you have described. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/8/2016 11:03 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: >> Does anyone else notice this: >> >> I hold RCL, dial VFO A to select the memory I want, then tap any key to exit. >> Everything looks ok, until I try to tune VFO A, but instead of normal tuning, it rotates through the memory channels again, but only within the same band I started out in. (My memories are all in sequential order of frequency, so I don't know if it would 'hop' over any if they weren't sequential.) >> >> VFO A won't go back to normal tuning until I've tapped Band+ or -. > From fred at fmeco.com Sat Jul 9 10:11:37 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> Message-ID: I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7 under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years.. for normal logging I use RumlogNG.. Regards.. Fred On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote: > On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: >> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem > hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a > clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more > current info? > > That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has > made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one > has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full > Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who > has reported success with that setup. > > -Neil N0FN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 10:38:23 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:38:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> Message-ID: Responding to some number of comments in this and closely related threads, not just this particular poster. 1) A reminder that PLAIN N1MM is NO LONGER SUPPORTED, for two years now. Shouting intended. N1MM+ is the current and supported version. Any problem you have with the old MM, the first step is to upgrade to the latest N1MM+. Plus you will open yourself up to a small pile of neat new features. Any problem with MM+, the first step is to upgrade to the latest MM+. Still problems? Go to their excellent support reflector, where there are many patient and informed members who have zero problems helping steer a newby or an unfortunate victim to a successful launch. With a little practice and reading, the MM+ doc will become your best friend. Many, many, many hours have been spent to create that excellent doc. If someone does not answer your reflector post in ten minutes, remember that everything is volunteer, no paid staff. Leave yourself generous run up time before a contest to allow conversations to run a cycle per evening. If not, those who will finally answer you are most likely not reading email at that particular instant, most likely already making contacts in the contest you are trying to start late and unprepared. 2) AGAIN, N1MM+ is FREE, NOT COMMERCIAL. Shouting intended. The team of developers et al putting out MM+ **donate** their time and effort, and have managed to create a stellar **non-commercial** product. They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. I worked for SAS Institute for 20 years, where SAS' various products simultaneously supported IBM mainframes, traditional UNIX platforms, PC operating systems, Windows, for a while OS-2, and various PC versions of UNIX. For those two decades, I worked in the mainframe section of that effort. Maintaining that dozen OS parallelism was an **enormous** task, **grotesquely** complicated, never-endingly rocked by perturbations, revisions and screw-ups from OS and driver programmers, soaking up hundreds of employees (really, hundreds), some thirty-odd of them requiring a peculiar necessarily company-grown skill set that was impossible to hire for off the open programmer market. Never allow yourself to perceive difficulty or delay on, or refusal of, multi-platform support as some dereliction. There, especially for free volunteer efforts, until you have worked a mile in their shoes, you are simply not qualified to give criticism. 3) Even compared to many commercial products, N1MM+ is remarkably responsive in general, particularly in keeping up with changes in the contesting arena. They even developed a way for the USER to create a contest script which the logger will run, allowing many tiny contests, like our annual rules-revised-yet-again PVRC on-the-air reunion, to roll their own. 4) DO JOIN THE MM REFLECTOR. It is a great bunch over there. Many of us there have worked through all the same newby confusions. We get it, we understand, we have ourselves suffered total confusion, and we will help ease you into the RTFM :>) What is politely tolerated and supported OT on Elecraft (thank you Eric) is the main drag on MM. There are **many** Elecraft owners on the MM reflector. You will find call signs common to both Elecraft and the MM reflector. ALSO, it might just be that you are the first to separate out a bug, and if you do not post there, it remains hidden to the only group who **can** and **do want** to actually fix it. They are **not** scanning the Elecraft reflector for MM+ bugs. 73, Guy K2AV On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem > hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a > clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more > current info? > > ----------- > 12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users? > > No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM > Logger on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux > clients. Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is > not a configuration that the Dev Team can support > > ------------ > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400 > From: "Chester Alderman" > To: "'Jim GM'" , "'Elecraft'" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys > Message-ID: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Jim, > > N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are > making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the > current > supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all > with > various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of > the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with > both > of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been > self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most > any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support > from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a > dim view of the writer. > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From ml.hogan at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 10:52:10 2016 From: ml.hogan at gmail.com (Mark Hogan) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:52:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 00909 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sold Thanks. On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Mark Hogan wrote: > > Contact me direct please > > KX1 00909 for sale 400.00 shipped USPS insured CONUS only > 20-30-40-80 > KXB3080 > KXPD1 Paddle > KXAT1 internal tuner > Pelican 1060 case > > I bought it used, the tuner wasn't always working every time so I > contacted Don Wilhelm who gave me some troubleshooting tips, but I > ultimately sent it to him for him to correct it, tune and aligned it. Over > the past year its sat on my desk at work while we cleaned up our house, > sold it and are now living in part of the garage of another house while we > remodel, add on and later this year occupy the real part of it. > I have sadly had no radio time, will not until the house and land are done > so this needs to go to fund a new drawer microwave that is over and above > our appliance allotment. > > Pictures here > http://btfom.blogspot.com/2016/07/kx1.html > > -- > Mark Hogan N5OBC > > -- Mark Hogan From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 9 11:41:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 11:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37dae458-8995-bb82-7450-c3d2834aa361@embarqmail.com> Joel, Yes, go to CW mode and you will see it. Look at the text box at the top left of the display illustration on page 8 of the manual. For voice and data modes, it shows CMP/ALC. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/8/2016 6:22 PM, Joel Black wrote: > For some reason, I seem to have lost my mind. I attribute it to congenital CRS. :) > > I thought there was some way to easily swap between CMP/ALC and SWR/PWR on the KX3. Is my rememberer that bad? > > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Jul 9 12:36:24 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> Message-ID: I use BOOTCAMP to run Win8.1 for portable use with my MacBook Pro. Works great. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more current info? > > ----------- > 12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users? > > No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM Logger on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux clients. Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is not a configuration that the Dev Team can support > > ------------ > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400 > From: "Chester Alderman" > To: "'Jim GM'" , "'Elecraft'" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys > Message-ID: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Jim, > > N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are > making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the current > supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all with > various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of > the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with both > of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been > self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most > any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support > from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a > dim view of the writer. > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 9 14:01:19 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:01:19 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter In-Reply-To: References: <1468023861521-7619825.post@n2.nabble.com> <8E50B274-1C27-486E-B5C0-D43FC061F8F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E134E5B-C4E2-4537-9319-CB621BC50DBE@yahoo.co.uk> This happens when SSB + CW is enabled. In CW WGHT menu tap 1 to toggle between SSB+CW (enabled) and SSB - CW Tapping Keyer/Mic knob toggles between Keyer speed and Mic Gain rather than Meter Scales CMP/ALC and SWR/RF. The CMP/ALC scale is still shown temporarily when CMP or Mic Gain are adjusted. You can switch to DATA mode then change meter scales by tapping Keyer/mic knob then go back to SSB. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 9 Jul 2016, at 12:24, Joel Black wrote: > > I should have stated this in my initial post. I was specifically looking for how to switch in data modes. Bob cleared that up. However, you are correct, Fred. In SSB *or* SSB +CW, I have to press the CMP button to get the CMP/ALC meter to come up. A tap of the KEYER/MIC knob doesn?t do it - it just switches between CW speed and MIC gain. > > Now, I?m glad you brought up SSB -CW and SSB +CW. I knew I had that on my K3 and I thought I had it on my KX3 but I couldn?t remember how to activate it on the KX3. Somehow (again, the memory eludes me), I got SSB +CW working. It?s not that big a deal I don?t guess except when you want to check power out without going, ?Hello, test, this is W4JBB.? :) > > Thanks and 73, > Joel - W4JBB > >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 21:26, Cady, Fred wrote: >> >> That display seems to act differently depending on if you have SSB -CW or SSB +CW. >> Cheers, >> Fred KE7X >> >> >> From: Elecraft on behalf of Joel Black >> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:39 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] SWR/PWR & CMP/ALC Meter >> >> Thanks, Bob. Not sure why that was escaping me. >> >> 73, >> Joel - W4JBB >> >>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 19:24, Bob N3MNT wrote: >>> >>> Tap keyer/mic to switch CMP/ALC Power / SWR switch auto,automatically on >>> transmit. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-PWR-CMP-ALC-Meter-tp7619814p7619825.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 9 14:07:15 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:07:15 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: can someone test this please? Message-ID: <3E5FD838-08FD-47C9-AEE9-D03032960E91@yahoo.co.uk> I have a KX3 and have found a bug (or feature) whereby the VOX delay does not function when the TX Noise Gate is in use. Yes, I have reported it directly to Elecraft. I would like to know if the K3 VOX delay works with its TX Noise Gate on? Many thanks, 73 from David GM4JJJ From kzeroxb at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 16:07:44 2016 From: kzeroxb at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:07:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? Message-ID: I wonder if there is a way to adjust the counts per turn for the K-Pod VFO control? The menu item "VFO CTS" allows one to adjust the counts per turn for the K3's VFO, but I can't find a separate menu item for the K-Pod VFO control. I have the K3 VFO set to 200 counts per turn, but it looks to me like the VFO on my K-Pod is set to 100 counts per turn. Specifically, a full turn of the main K3 VFO control changes the frequency by 2 KHz, but a full turn of the K-Pod VFO control changes the frequency by 1 KHz. I'd like them to be the same. I can accomplish that by changing VFO CTS to 100, but I like the 200 setting better. 73, Rick K0XB From terry at tdowling.com Sat Jul 9 16:52:58 2016 From: terry at tdowling.com (Terence Dowling) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:52:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking an Elmer to help with a new K3s via remotehams Message-ID: I have a recently assembled K3s and K3/0-mini. I can successfully connect and control the radio with RCForb Client (0.8.6000.13812) but I don't have good results with the radio. Problem could be: 1) UBD (user brain damage) - this is my first HF radio... 2) I made some mistake assembling the K3s 3) I have an antenna or cable problem 4) there is too much RF at the radio qth 5) small chance there was a defective part in the K3s kit 6) something else Since I'm new at this and there are so many unknowns I'm not making progress so I'm asking for gentle help from someone who has a K3/0-mini and remotehams capability. Radio is located at BL20cf (Kapa'au, HI - North Kohala, Big Island, Hawaii). Off-line email contact please. 73 Terry KH6L kh6l at arrl.net From n7xy at n7xy.net Sat Jul 9 17:45:17 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:45:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <7496e002-9822-9786-6978-fee8b607aeb0@n7xy.net> While probably lacking some of the features of N!MM+, RUMlogNG does a great job on contests as well as general logging, so we Mac users can avoid going to the dark side :^). Tom (DL2RUM) is continually adding new contests to the list, so one should check frequently for an updated version. Bob, N7XY On 7/9/16 7:11 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7 > under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years.. for > normal logging I use RumlogNG.. Regards.. Fred > > > On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote: >> On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: >>> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem >> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a >> clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more >> current info? >> >> That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has >> made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one >> has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full >> Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who >> has reported success with that setup. >> >> -Neil N0FN >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 9 17:54:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:54:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking an Elmer to help with a new K3s via remotehams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, It seems like you are trying to do too much at one time. Back off a little and verify that the K3S is working properly. Transmit into a dummy load so you do not disturb others on the air. Once you have verified that the K3S is "doing its thing" correctly, then add the K3/0 along with the software applications. The "expert" at Elecraft for remote operation is Brandon. When you have verified that the base K3S is operating as expected, contact Brandon brandon at elecraft.com for additional assistance with the remote operation. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/9/2016 4:52 PM, Terence Dowling wrote: > I have a recently assembled K3s and K3/0-mini. I can successfully > connect and control the radio with RCForb Client (0.8.6000.13812) > but I don't have good results with the radio. > > Problem could be: > > 1) UBD (user brain damage) - this is my first HF radio... > 2) I made some mistake assembling the K3s > 3) I have an antenna or cable problem > 4) there is too much RF at the radio qth > 5) small chance there was a defective part in the K3s kit > 6) something else > > Since I'm new at this and there are so many unknowns I'm > not making progress so I'm asking for gentle help from > someone who has a K3/0-mini and remotehams capability. > > Radio is located at BL20cf (Kapa'au, HI - North Kohala, > Big Island, Hawaii). > > Off-line email contact please. > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Jul 9 19:37:36 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:37:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses Message-ID: <8f3821aa-8886-0681-7436-2e7c7a250c55@nycap.rr.com> K-pod arrived, various firmware installed, and all is well. I have built macros for most of the buttons and find the device to be a great addition to the Genovation keypad and my overall K-Line system. Thank you Elecraft for a well designed tool for my user pleasure and convenience. Regarding macros - their application is only hindered by the user's imagination. It is so easy to chain them together to make the K3 do nearly anything. As with all computers, the K3 will do exactly as told. If the macro pieces are programmed in an incorrect order, the macro will not operate as planned. Bill W2BLC K-Line From jim at sailidaho.com Sat Jul 9 20:12:26 2016 From: jim at sailidaho.com (Jim Larson) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:12:26 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: <7496e002-9822-9786-6978-fee8b607aeb0@n7xy.net> References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> <7496e002-9822-9786-6978-fee8b607aeb0@n7xy.net> Message-ID: I?ve been using N1MM+ via a Windows 10 Virtual Box VM on my iMac. ?Works pretty well, but as Bob, N7XY said, RUMlogNG works great as a native app. ?That is my preferred contesting app, especially on CW. ?Uses the K3S internal keyer instead of computer generated CW characters. ?Sounds much cleaner. Anyway, options to ?try. ?RUMlogNG is a free download via the App Store. Jim - KK7A On July 9, 2016 at 3:47:00 PM, Bob Nielsen (n7xy at n7xy.net) wrote: While probably lacking some of the features of N!MM+, RUMlogNG does a great job on contests as well as general logging, so we Mac users can avoid going to the dark side :^). Tom (DL2RUM) is continually adding new contests to the list, so one should check frequently for an updated version. Bob, N7XY On 7/9/16 7:11 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7 > under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years.. for > normal logging I use RumlogNG.. Regards.. Fred > > > On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote: >> On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: >>> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem >> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a >> clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more >> current info? >> >> That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has >> made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one >> has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full >> Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who >> has reported success with that setup. >> >> -Neil N0FN >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim at sailidaho.com From -unknown- at sy-edm.com Sat Jul 9 23:11:32 2016 From: -unknown- at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 07:11:32 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <3ECEF5A9-9F9B-4972-9810-F5F10B8633BB@sy-edm.com> Guy, Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ? Tim - A45WG > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations > not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. From matt at nq6n.com Sun Jul 10 00:08:26 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 23:08:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: <3ECEF5A9-9F9B-4972-9810-F5F10B8633BB@sy-edm.com> References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> <3ECEF5A9-9F9B-4972-9810-F5F10B8633BB@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about... N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework. Recently this became a cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX. However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other platforms. For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and VMWare. It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality. You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs work flawlessly. Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox. Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future. In the meantime, I have my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot. N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of people maintaining it. I'm continually impressed by the attention to detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release. VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads 73, Matt NQ6N On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-unknown- at sy-edm.com> wrote: > Guy, > Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM > written in ? > > Tim - A45WG > > > > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > > > > > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is > > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, > that > > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from > > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations > > not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen > OS > > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak > here > > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in > the > > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 00:33:54 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:33:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: <3ECEF5A9-9F9B-4972-9810-F5F10B8633BB@sy-edm.com> References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> <3ECEF5A9-9F9B-4972-9810-F5F10B8633BB@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials. 73, Guy K2AV On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-unknown- at sy-edm.com> wrote: > Guy, > Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ? > > Tim - A45WG > > > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > > > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations > not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. > > > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From k6mr at outlook.com Sun Jul 10 00:40:20 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:40:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + Message-ID: ?I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.? Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it is on Windows I don?t think it will ever happen. I tried to build the drivers for my serial card, network USB device, and network serial server, and after spending a couple of days trying to figure it out I gave up. I don?t have an extensive software background, but I do have some programming experience with *nix systems. If you have a simple hardware setup it might be ok but throw in anything unusual and it?s hopeless. And then add in things like rotator controls (Windows only) and there is little chance it will ever work. The next major release of the logger I use (DXLog.net) is going to support Linux (and probably OSX) but without the third party hardware support I won?t be changing. I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations out there are running it very successfully. I just don?t see any advantages to changing at the moment. Ken K6MR From: Matt Murphy Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:09 To: a45wg Cc: Dauer, Edward; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about... N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework. Recently this became a cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX. However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other platforms. For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and VMWare. It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality. You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs work flawlessly. Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox. Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future. In the meantime, I have my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot. N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of people maintaining it. I'm continually impressed by the attention to detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release. VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads 73, Matt NQ6N On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-unknown- at sy-edm.com> wrote: > Guy, > Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM > written in ? > > Tim - A45WG > > > > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > > > > > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is > > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, > that > > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from > > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations > > not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen > OS > > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak > here > > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in > the > > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From matt at nq6n.com Sun Jul 10 01:23:47 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:23:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations out there are running it very successfully. I just don?t see any advantages to changing at the moment. It is true, and Windows continues to improve. I installed Windows 10 and have been very pleased with it. There is not currently a good reason for most hams to leave Windows. Fortunately, Windows 10 will soon offer Linux as an optional module, so many of the benefits of Linux may soon be available to Windows users. 73, Matt NQ6N On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > ?I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from > transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.? > > Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it > is on Windows I don?t think it will ever happen. > > I tried to build the drivers for my serial card, network USB device, and > network serial server, and after spending a couple of days trying to figure > it out I gave up. I don?t have an extensive software background, but I do > have some programming experience with *nix systems. If you have a simple > hardware setup it might be ok but throw in anything unusual and it?s > hopeless. And then add in things like rotator controls (Windows only) and > there is little chance it will ever work. > > The next major release of the logger I use (DXLog.net) is going to support > Linux (and probably OSX) but without the third party hardware support I > won?t be changing. > > I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations > out there are running it very successfully. I just don?t see any advantages > to changing at the moment. > > Ken K6MR > > > From: Matt Murphy > Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:09 > To: a45wg > Cc: Dauer, Edward; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + > > I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about... > > N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework. Recently this became a > cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of > N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX. > > However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not > cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or > OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the > confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other > platforms. > > For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the > program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and > VMWare. It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality. > You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs > work flawlessly. Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the > public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox. > > Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I > think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from > transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future. In the meantime, I have > my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot. > > N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of > people maintaining it. I'm continually impressed by the attention to > detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release. > > VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads > > 73, > Matt NQ6N > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-unknown- at sy-edm.com> wrote: > > > Guy, > > Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM > > written in ? > > > > Tim - A45WG > > > > > > > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > > > > > > > > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is > > > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, > > that > > > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep > from > > > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS > perturbations > > > not related to the product, their development platform and single > chosen > > OS > > > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak > > here > > > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in > > the > > > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 10 04:02:55 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 01:02:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat,7/9/2016 9:40 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > ?I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from > transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.? > > Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it is on Windows I don?t think it will ever happen. I'm VERY strongly in Ken's camp on this one. I started with computers in the early '80s with a measurement system running in CP/M, which I took the time to learn. I also took the time to learn DOS, and to do relatively simple programming in SBASIC and BASIC. A few years down the road, I transitioned to Windoze, because that's where the engineering applications I needed ran. Later, I tried to make OS/2 work for me, but I spent more time getting those specialty Windoze apps to run in OS/2 than I did productive, billable work. That's how I feel about the desire to make ham stuff run in *nix. I'm an engineer, a ham, a technical writer. I do NOT want to spend my time doing IT. I have paid those dues, and lost on the deal big time. OSs are not religious to me, they are practical for what I want to do on a computer. A year or two ago, I went through the exercise of getting Linux and VBox to work on a couple of machines. It was a struggle, and I don't want to get into the reasons. I did that to try to run an ancient version Quattro Pro that happens to do engineering graphs better than anything I can find in current software -- it's what I use for all my published graphs. I got VBox running, but I've failed at installing a version of Windoze old enough to let me load QPW from floppies! *nix may be wonderful if you're a programmer, but I'm not. :) As Ken has observed, there's way too much IT overhead involved. 73, Jim K9YC From n7xy at n7xy.net Sun Jul 10 04:42:08 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 01:42:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52fd9c40-8215-dfa5-3930-7e837484f950@n7xy.net> I disagree somewhat. Whenever I have connected new hardware to my Macs, the drivers were already there and I didn't need to find and install them as I often have needed to to on Windows. I realize this won't always be the case but it is nice when things work this way. The difficulties with Linux can vary considerably depending on the distribution used and it takes some degree of experience to solve these difficulties when they are encountered but at least you can often see where things are failing, something which is often hidden from Windows users. I retired when Windows was at the 3.1 stage and Linux was pre-1.0, so my computing these days is more of a hobby than actual work, but it's a good way to keep the brain cells engaged. I still haven't fully transitioned from the command line do a lot using the Terminal app. Bob, N7XY On 7/10/16 1:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,7/9/2016 9:40 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: >> ?I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from >> transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.? >> >> Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy >> as it is on Windows I don?t think it will ever happen. > > I'm VERY strongly in Ken's camp on this one. I started with computers > in the early '80s with a measurement system running in CP/M, which I > took the time to learn. I also took the time to learn DOS, and to do > relatively simple programming in SBASIC and BASIC. A few years down > the road, I transitioned to Windoze, because that's where the > engineering applications I needed ran. Later, I tried to make OS/2 > work for me, but I spent more time getting those specialty Windoze > apps to run in OS/2 than I did productive, billable work. > > That's how I feel about the desire to make ham stuff run in *nix. I'm > an engineer, a ham, a technical writer. I do NOT want to spend my time > doing IT. I have paid those dues, and lost on the deal big time. OSs > are not religious to me, they are practical for what I want to do on a > computer. > > A year or two ago, I went through the exercise of getting Linux and > VBox to work on a couple of machines. It was a struggle, and I don't > want to get into the reasons. I did that to try to run an ancient > version Quattro Pro that happens to do engineering graphs better than > anything I can find in current software -- it's what I use for all my > published graphs. I got VBox running, but I've failed at installing a > version of Windoze old enough to let me load QPW from floppies! > > *nix may be wonderful if you're a programmer, but I'm not. :) As Ken > has observed, there's way too much IT overhead involved. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From lightdazzled at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 08:01:17 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:01:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/10 and KPA100/KAT100 in EC2 for sale Message-ID: Hi All - I have K2 #5811 with KSB2, KIO2, KNB2, K160RX, KAF2, and KAT2 installed for sale. Asking $740 for this. In excellent condition with all original manuals and a Kenwood microphone. Also the KPA100 and KAT100 installed in an EC2 enclosure for $400. Shipping your preference at cost. Presently on Ebay where you can see pictures, but if you buy it from me now I'll cancel the auction. 73 Chip AE5KA From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Jul 10 08:21:34 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:21:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + In-Reply-To: References: <1BD40368-D387-4832-B898-1C9D99C3C847@law.du.edu> <3ECEF5A9-9F9B-4972-9810-F5F10B8633BB@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <9F522D1A-AD7C-40AF-AEBB-DEC3EC4C7221@portcredit.net> Why is this discussion on the Elecraft reflector and not the N1MM reflector? Mike va3mw > On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:33 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials. > > 73, Guy K2AV > >> On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-unknown- at sy-edm.com> wrote: >> >> Guy, >> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ? >> >> Tim - A45WG >> >> >> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV > > wrote: >> >> >> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is >> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that >> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from >> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations >> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS >> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here >> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the >> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Jul 10 09:04:21 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (k.alexander) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 09:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + Message-ID: Hopefully it will get nipped in the bud before it degenerates into another Linux vs Windows debate... 73, Ken Alexander?VE3HLS? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Mike va3mw Date: 2016-07-10 08:21 (GMT-05:00) To: Guy Olinger K2AV Cc: "Dauer, Edward" , elecraft at mailman.qth.net, a45wg <-unknown- at sy-edm.com> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger + Why is this discussion on the Elecraft reflector and not the N1MM reflector?? Mike va3mw > On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:33 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials. > > 73, Guy K2AV > >> On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-unknown- at sy-edm.com> wrote: >> >> Guy, >> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ? >> >> Tim - A45WG >> >> >> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV > > wrote: >> >> >> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is >> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that >> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from >> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations >> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS >> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here >> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the >> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world. > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k.alexander at rogers.com From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 09:23:13 2016 From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 06:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net - Sundays @ 18z 0n 14.305.5 Message-ID: <3A492BEB-1427-4882-9826-812689565767@gmail.com> The Elecraft SSB net will be run on Sunday 10 July 2016 at 18:00z (UTC) on 20m as usual. Please join us on 14.305.5 and share your name, state, rig and serial #. It is a good way to check on propagation, and usually with the help of relay stations even QRP signals can be heard despite poor conditions. Eric, WB9JNZ, provides the check-in list from last week below: Elecraft SSB Net WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 N6JW John CA K3 936 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 WV5I Dwayne TX 5287 K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 KK6DA Dave CA K3S 10125 K6GUW Gerald CA K3 8115 N9SRA Steve IL K3S 10563 W8OV Dave TX K3 3139 KD0UNQ Jerry CO Kenwood 990 W4LDD Larry NC K3 7664 W9JC Joe OH K3 6623 VE9XX John New Brunswick K3 6873 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 K7BRR Bill AZ K3 5545 N0NB Nate KS K3 4762 KL7UW Ed AK K3 4340 N0QO Ken WY K3 1047 From kzeroxb at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 11:02:26 2016 From: kzeroxb at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 10:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've done some experimenting, and this is what I see: I am using my K3 with firmware beta 5.50 along with my new K-Pod. I noticed that the change per turn in VFO frequency is different between the main knob and the K-Pod knob. Specifically, I see the following behavior as a function VFO CTS setting: VFO CTS setting main/turn K-Pod/turn 100 1 KHz 0.5 KHz 200 2 KHz 1 Khz 400 4 KHz 2 KHz So, it appears that the K-Pod knob changes the VFO frequency half as fast as the main knob. I assume they are supposed to be the same. I sent an email to Elecraft K3 support regarding this. 73, Rick K0XB From phils at riousa.com Sun Jul 10 11:18:51 2016 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net - Sundays @ 18z 0n 14.305.5 In-Reply-To: <3A492BEB-1427-4882-9826-812689565767@gmail.com> References: <3A492BEB-1427-4882-9826-812689565767@gmail.com> Message-ID: The frequency is 14.3035 MHz. > On Jul 10, 2016, at 6:23 AM, John W Webster wrote: > > The Elecraft SSB net will be run on Sunday 10 July 2016 at 18:00z (UTC) on 20m > as usual. Please join us on 14.305.5 and share your name, state, rig and serial #. > It is a good way to check on propagation, and usually with the help of relay stations > even QRP signals can be heard despite poor conditions. > > Eric, WB9JNZ, provides the check-in list from last week below: > > Elecraft SSB Net > > WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control > > AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 > > N6JW John CA K3 936 > > W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 > > WV5I Dwayne TX 5287 > > K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 > > KK6DA Dave CA K3S 10125 > > K6GUW Gerald CA K3 8115 > > N9SRA Steve IL K3S 10563 > > W8OV Dave TX K3 3139 > > KD0UNQ Jerry CO Kenwood 990 > > W4LDD Larry NC K3 7664 > > W9JC Joe OH K3 6623 > > VE9XX John New Brunswick K3 6873 > > NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 > > K7BRR Bill AZ K3 5545 > > N0NB Nate KS K3 4762 > > KL7UW Ed AK K3 4340 > > N0QO Ken WY K3 1047 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phils at riousa.com From jermo at carolinaheli.com Sun Jul 10 11:33:38 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking an Elmer to help with a new K3s via remotehams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404DD373-DF97-4224-A0E4-4AF275B16474@carolinaheli.com> +1 I discovered that f To really get the most out of my K3s Fred Cady's book + this reflector is critical. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Terry, > > It seems like you are trying to do too much at one time. > Back off a little and verify that the K3S is working properly. Transmit into a dummy load so you do not disturb others on the air. > > Once you have verified that the K3S is "doing its thing" correctly, then add the K3/0 along with the software applications. > > The "expert" at Elecraft for remote operation is Brandon. When you have verified that the base K3S is operating as expected, contact Brandon brandon at elecraft.com for additional assistance with the remote operation. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/9/2016 4:52 PM, Terence Dowling wrote: >> I have a recently assembled K3s and K3/0-mini. I can successfully >> connect and control the radio with RCForb Client (0.8.6000.13812) >> but I don't have good results with the radio. >> >> Problem could be: >> >> 1) UBD (user brain damage) - this is my first HF radio... >> 2) I made some mistake assembling the K3s >> 3) I have an antenna or cable problem >> 4) there is too much RF at the radio qth >> 5) small chance there was a defective part in the K3s kit >> 6) something else >> >> Since I'm new at this and there are so many unknowns I'm >> not making progress so I'm asking for gentle help from >> someone who has a K3/0-mini and remotehams capability. >> >> Radio is located at BL20cf (Kapa'au, HI - North Kohala, >> Big Island, Hawaii). >> >> Off-line email contact please. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Jul 10 13:32:26 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 10:32:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <4bf3f85b-7c6b-0a58-7b23-20c9b024473d@coho.net> Good Morning, After a week of rain there may be sun on the horizon; if the forecasters are correct maybe Wednesday. Propagation has been rather chilly with SFU around 80 and no sunspots. Well today the SFU has risen to 92 and the sun has at least four numbered spots so things may be getting better for now. The sunspot minimum is coming with all the doom and gloom sayers wailing on the street corners. However, with a good CW rig solar minimum is not a problem. The low bands have been getting better while the upper bands fade. 6 meter E openings are popping up now and then so enjoy a little CW activity there. Solar minimum does not mean you need to pack your rig away in the attic and wait for better conditions. If you can't make a contact then work at the bench building a rig or practice sending the phone book to keep your CW skills facile. If you take your rig out into the forest and the propagation fades at least you are still in the forest - enjoy it. Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 10 14:21:47 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:21:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Kevin is absolutely correct. With wire antennas running QRP in the IARU contest, I logged: 4 QSOs on 160M 7 QSOs on 80M 11 QSOs on 40M 37 QSOs on 20M 2 QSOs on 15M These scores aren't going to win any contest, but they do show the bands are open and I certainly had fun. I will note that one of the 15M contacts was with ZW0HQ. Other bands included contacts with Alaska, Hawaii, Japan, and Ontario, so it wasn't just local stations. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/10/16 at 10:32 AM, kevinr at coho.net wrote: >Good Morning, > >After a week of rain there may be sun on the horizon; if the >forecasters are correct maybe Wednesday. Propagation has been >rather chilly with SFU around 80 and no sunspots. Well today >the SFU has risen to 92 and the sun has at least four numbered >spots so things may be getting better for now. The sunspot >minimum is coming with all the doom and gloom sayers wailing on >the street corners. However, with a good CW rig solar minimum >is not a problem. The low bands have been getting better while >the upper bands fade. 6 meter E openings are popping up now >and then so enjoy a little CW activity there. Solar minimum >does not mean you need to pack your rig away in the attic and >wait for better conditions. If you can't make a contact then >work at the bench building a rig or practice sending the phone >book to keep your CW skills facile. If you take your rig out >into the forest and the propagation fades at least you are >still in the forest - enjoy it. > >Please join us on: > >14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) >7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) > >73, >Kevin. KD5ONS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Jul 10 15:53:55 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:53:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <380e684c-8122-f174-6328-97d815e2f7b0@foothill.net> Bob, N6TV, did a full-bore single-op effort at W7RN and the remote was thus inop so I did about 3 hours on and off in the IARU from home with K3/100 and my HOA-Stealth.** All CW, all search and pounce: Band QSOs Pts ITU HQ 3.5 3 3 1 1 7 22 48 5 0 14 38 106 8 2 21 1 5 1 0 Total 64 162 15 3 Score : 2,916 QSO's included CE, OA, LU, KH6, PY, and ZF. I'd have done much better on 80 except I fell asleep. Sunspots help of course but the bands were still usable in June when the SSN was exactly zero for most of the month. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn **"HOA-Stealth" is an 80-10 EFHW strung on electric fence insulators along the top of our wooden fence at about 1.8 meters AGL. On 7/10/2016 11:21 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Kevin is absolutely correct. With wire antennas running QRP in the IARU > contest, I logged: > > 4 QSOs on 160M > 7 QSOs on 80M > 11 QSOs on 40M > 37 QSOs on 20M > 2 QSOs on 15M > > These scores aren't going to win any contest, but they do show the bands > are open and I certainly had fun. I will note that one of the 15M > contacts was with ZW0HQ. Other bands included contacts with Alaska, > Hawaii, Japan, and Ontario, so it wasn't just local stations. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From k6fw1 at verizon.net Sun Jul 10 16:00:45 2016 From: k6fw1 at verizon.net (Frank Westphal) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:00:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT Message-ID: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> I have noticed one issue with my K-POD. When I move the rocker switch to RIT/XIT on the K-POD and turn the RIT/XIT function on from the front panel of my K3 spinning the knob on the K-POD does not reliability change the value of the RIT/XIT. It will tune some but not consistently. Turning the RIT/XIT control from the front panel of the K3 works normally. VFO A and VFO B respond to turning the knob on the K-POD normally. With the rocker switch in XIT/RIT position on the K-POD and the K3 RIT/XIT function turned off then the K-POD tuning knob adjusts VFO A in coarse mode. This is normal for the way I have the K3 programmed. I assume this must be a bug in the 5.50 beta firmware which I have installed. As a side note installing the surface mount resister in the K3 is not for those inexperienced in micro soldering. Frank K6FW From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 16:23:35 2016 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th Message-ID: W4RKS Jim in Fort Worth TX substituting for Net Control WB9JNZ Eric in Chicago, IL July 10, 2016 Many thanks for all of the relaying stations: N6JW John in CA, KM4IK Ian in GA and NS7P Phil in OR Stations logged in in spite of very poor conditions were: N6JW John CA K3 936 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 KM4IK Ian GA K3 281 W4LDD Larry NC K3 7664 N4NRD Roger SC K3 1318 AE6JV Bill CA K3 629 KK6DA Dave CA K3S 10125 W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 K6WDE Dave CA KX3 4599 K5RHD Randy NM K3 7317 WV5I Duane TX K3 5287 AD5X Milt TX K3 3203 N7BDL Terry AZ K3S 10373 N9TF Gene IL K3S 10057 KE7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 W4PFM Paul VA K3 1673 KY5G Clay LA K3S 10643 KG6VDW John NV KX3 6046 N0NB Nate KS K3 4762 W4TGF/6 Todd N/CA KX3 284 V31FA Alan Beleze KX3 3129 K4FI Doug SC K3 6199 KJ6OHI Carl CA K3 8936 WB4ODA Ron NC K3S 10684 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 That's 25 participants - not too shabby for such poor band conditions. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 10 16:23:43 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:23:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> Message-ID: Frank, I don't have the K-Pod to try it, but there may some strange relationship between your K3 setting of VFO OFS. Try turning VFO OFS to OFF and see if the K-Pod RIT/XIT selection adjusts RIT properly. If that fixes it, of course that is likely a bug, but at least you will know what is causing it. I have not heard any other reports of abnormal behavior with the K-Pod and RIT/XIT, and I have monitored the K-Pod Field Test comments. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/10/2016 4:00 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: > I have noticed one issue with my K-POD. > > When I move the rocker switch to RIT/XIT on the K-POD and turn the > RIT/XIT function on from the front panel of my K3 spinning the knob on > the K-POD does not reliability change the value of the RIT/XIT. It > will tune some but not consistently. Turning the RIT/XIT control from > the front panel of the K3 works normally. > > VFO A and VFO B respond to turning the knob on the K-POD normally. > > With the rocker switch in XIT/RIT position on the K-POD and the K3 > RIT/XIT function turned off then the K-POD tuning knob adjusts VFO A > in coarse mode. This is normal for the way I have the K3 programmed. > > I assume this must be a bug in the 5.50 beta firmware which I have > installed. > > As a side note installing the surface mount resister in the K3 is not > for those inexperienced in micro soldering. > > Frank > K6FW > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From k6fw1 at verizon.net Sun Jul 10 16:47:43 2016 From: k6fw1 at verizon.net (Frank Westphal) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> Message-ID: <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> Don, Turned off VFO OFS, but the XIT/RIT tuning from the K-POD is still erratic. Thanks for the suggestion. Frank K6FW On 7/10/16 1:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Frank, > > I don't have the K-Pod to try it, but there may some strange > relationship between your K3 setting of VFO OFS. Try turning VFO OFS > to OFF and see if the K-Pod RIT/XIT selection adjusts RIT properly. > > If that fixes it, of course that is likely a bug, but at least you > will know what is causing it. > I have not heard any other reports of abnormal behavior with the K-Pod > and RIT/XIT, and I have monitored the K-Pod Field Test comments. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/10/2016 4:00 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: >> I have noticed one issue with my K-POD. >> >> When I move the rocker switch to RIT/XIT on the K-POD and turn the >> RIT/XIT function on from the front panel of my K3 spinning the knob >> on the K-POD does not reliability change the value of the RIT/XIT. It >> will tune some but not consistently. Turning the RIT/XIT control >> from the front panel of the K3 works normally. >> >> VFO A and VFO B respond to turning the knob on the K-POD normally. >> >> With the rocker switch in XIT/RIT position on the K-POD and the K3 >> RIT/XIT function turned off then the K-POD tuning knob adjusts VFO A >> in coarse mode. This is normal for the way I have the K3 programmed. >> >> I assume this must be a bug in the 5.50 beta firmware which I have >> installed. >> >> As a side note installing the surface mount resister in the K3 is not >> for those inexperienced in micro soldering. >> >> Frank >> K6FW >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jul 10 16:47:50 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:47:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: can someone test this please? In-Reply-To: <3E5FD838-08FD-47C9-AEE9-D03032960E91@yahoo.co.uk> References: <3E5FD838-08FD-47C9-AEE9-D03032960E91@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <2B6A48E1-E942-45F0-A270-AE3243265364@yahoo.co.uk> Anybody? 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 9 Jul 2016, at 19:07, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote: > > I have a KX3 and have found a bug (or feature) whereby the VOX delay does not function when the TX Noise Gate is in use. Yes, I have reported it directly to Elecraft. > > I would like to know if the K3 VOX delay works with the TX Noise Gate on? > From K5WA at Comcast.net Sun Jul 10 16:52:57 2016 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:52:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <035e01d1daed$09f99170$1decb450$@net> Jim, The repeat time setting is actually doing something but it depends on an "end of message" bit to be sent which isn't done when an ASCII stream is transferred. Since the repeat function is generally used in a contest for repetitive CQing and a KX2 is not going to be a heavy duty contest radio, this is probably only going to affect a very few folks BUT here's how I work around the repeat issue (since I'm on the crazy fringe): 1) Assume a constant CW sending rate; say 30 WPM. (or whatever you are normally comfortable with during a contest) 2) Time your message to see how many seconds it takes to send. (let's assume 5 seconds) 3) Take the message length (in seconds) and add the delay you want (in seconds). (If you want a 3 second delay, add 3 to the 5) 4) Put the total seconds derived from bullet 3 into the N1MM repeat timing slot. (Put 8 seconds in the repeat selection) 5) Works like a charm but only for that CW WPM. Slower WPM would require seconds added and faster would subtract seconds from the repeat setting. Sending speed would be controlled by the KX2 since the ASCII stream is just getting dumped into the serial port at 38,400 baud (or whatever baud rate you choose). I generally don't change my CQ sending speed more than 2-4 WPM so a nice compromise delay time could be found experimentally that would satisfy most situation. Additionally, the N1MM delay can be adjusted with 2 key strokes (Ctrl-R then number entry) as a message is sending so it is very user friendly if you need to adjust on the fly. I see this as a very personal situation though. A crazy contester (like me) is going to figure a workaround for just about anything if he is motivated to enter a contest while up a perfectly good mountain playing radio while his wife is wondering why he isn't enjoying the view with her. The repeat function and N1MM speed adjustments can be left behind in most KX2 situations but where there's will, there's a way. ;-) YMMV Bob K5WA P.S. I took my new KX2 to my contest station this weekend and plugged it into the BIG antennas prior to the IARU contest to make a few contacts. The KX2 loved that! ;-) I think it got spoiled and will never let me hook up a BuddiPole to it again. I never got a KX3 because I thought it was too big but this KX2 is my idea of perfection for traveling, hiking or whatever you need a tiny, great rig for. I may actually have to figure out what NPOTA is all about now. Thanks to Wayne and the team!!!! Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:01:44 -0500 From: Jim GM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <57809345.0fe4240a.b85ad.6dbf at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Here are the other issues. The CQ Repeat function has no Pause like 5 seconds then starts.? The Repeat Time setting Does not do any thing that I have noticed. ? Also CW speed control does not work. I works manually when I turn the knob on the KX2 and 3. Jim K9TF From: Jim GM From rtherman59 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 17:12:16 2016 From: rtherman59 at gmail.com (Ronald Herman) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:12:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod Message-ID: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> There has been mention of future software and interfaces for the PC. Will there be any kind of programmer?s manual available to the public? Ron, K1PDY From lightdazzled at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 17:13:47 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:13:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/10 and KPA100/KAT100 in EC2 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All - The KPA100/KAT100 has been spoken for. I'll repost for that if anything should change. Thanks for the replies. Chip AE5KA On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Chip Stratton wrote: > Hi All - > > I have K2 #5811 with KSB2, KIO2, KNB2, K160RX, KAF2, and KAT2 installed > for sale. Asking $740 for this. In excellent condition with all original > manuals and a Kenwood microphone. > > Also the KPA100 and KAT100 installed in an EC2 enclosure for $400. > > Shipping your preference at cost. > > Presently on Ebay where you can see pictures, but if you buy it from me > now I'll cancel the auction. > > > 73 > Chip > AE5KA > From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Sun Jul 10 17:50:52 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:50:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> Message-ID: Not erratic here at all! 73 Dwight NS9I On 7/10/2016 3:47 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: > Don, > > Turned off VFO OFS, but the XIT/RIT tuning from the K-POD is still > erratic. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Frank > K6FW > > On 7/10/16 1:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Frank, >> >> I don't have the K-Pod to try it, but there may some strange >> relationship between your K3 setting of VFO OFS. Try turning VFO OFS >> to OFF and see if the K-Pod RIT/XIT selection adjusts RIT properly. >> >> If that fixes it, of course that is likely a bug, but at least you >> will know what is causing it. >> I have not heard any other reports of abnormal behavior with the >> K-Pod and RIT/XIT, and I have monitored the K-Pod Field Test comments. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/10/2016 4:00 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: >>> I have noticed one issue with my K-POD. >>> >>> When I move the rocker switch to RIT/XIT on the K-POD and turn the >>> RIT/XIT function on from the front panel of my K3 spinning the knob >>> on the K-POD does not reliability change the value of the RIT/XIT. >>> It will tune some but not consistently. Turning the RIT/XIT control >>> from the front panel of the K3 works normally. >>> >>> VFO A and VFO B respond to turning the knob on the K-POD normally. >>> >>> With the rocker switch in XIT/RIT position on the K-POD and the K3 >>> RIT/XIT function turned off then the K-POD tuning knob adjusts VFO A >>> in coarse mode. This is normal for the way I have the K3 programmed. >>> >>> I assume this must be a bug in the 5.50 beta firmware which I have >>> installed. >>> >>> As a side note installing the surface mount resister in the K3 is >>> not for those inexperienced in micro soldering. >>> >>> Frank >>> K6FW >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >>> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 10 18:03:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:03:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> References: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f967373-3dca-1bf7-b6cd-89bfbf6583a5@embarqmail.com> Ron, No additional programmer's manual should be necessary. The K-Pod simply calls on the macros already stored in the K3. The only thing added is how to assign the K-pod buttons (tap or hold) to the macros that are stored in the K3/K3S. The latest version of K3Utility allows for the creation and activation of 16 K3 macros. That is the major piece of "future software", and the future is now - just download it from the Elecraft website. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/10/2016 5:12 PM, Ronald Herman wrote: > There has been mention of future software and interfaces for the PC. Will there be any kind of programmer?s manual available to the public? > > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 10 18:15:57 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:15:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: <035e01d1daed$09f99170$1decb450$@net> Message-ID: Being very lazy, I would like repeat CQ for SOTA activations, or almost any CQing. Pretty much anything but running a pileup. YMMV. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/10/16 at 1:52 PM, K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) wrote: >Since the repeat function is generally used in a contest for >repetitive CQing and a KX2 is not going to be a heavy duty contest radio, >this is probably only going to affect a very few folks BUT here's how I work >around the repeat issue (since I'm on the crazy fringe): ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 18:26:38 2016 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:26:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th Message-ID: Ooops. The entry for KE7JZH was a typo. It should be: KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 Sorry Ron. Had a senior moment. Jim - W4RKS From ae5x at juno.com Sun Jul 10 18:34:37 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:34:37 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 gets out and about Message-ID: <20160710.173437.11233.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> The KX2 survives a bumpy ride yesterday and provided some very welcome companionship last night on the Trans America Trail. About 12 more days to go on the Trail, some nights in a hotel (no radioing), some nights camping (and on the air). Photos etc at link below updated whenever I have internet access. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Sun Jul 10 18:55:34 2016 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:55:34 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> Message-ID: <218C554C-3862-4D37-A50D-322B43CB5EBB@sumaq.jp> Turning the K-Pod knob quickly, RIT/XIT frequency does not follow the tuning. But turning it slowly does follows the tuning. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2016/07/11 6:50?DGB ????? > > Not erratic here at all! > > 73 Dwight NS9I > > > On 7/10/2016 3:47 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: >> Don, >> >> Turned off VFO OFS, but the XIT/RIT tuning from the K-POD is still erratic. >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. >> >> Frank >> K6FW >> >> On 7/10/16 1:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Frank, >>> >>> I don't have the K-Pod to try it, but there may some strange relationship between your K3 setting of VFO OFS. Try turning VFO OFS to OFF and see if the K-Pod RIT/XIT selection adjusts RIT properly. >>> >>> If that fixes it, of course that is likely a bug, but at least you will know what is causing it. >>> I have not heard any other reports of abnormal behavior with the K-Pod and RIT/XIT, and I have monitored the K-Pod Field Test comments. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 7/10/2016 4:00 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: >>>> I have noticed one issue with my K-POD. >>>> >>>> When I move the rocker switch to RIT/XIT on the K-POD and turn the RIT/XIT function on from the front panel of my K3 spinning the knob on the K-POD does not reliability change the value of the RIT/XIT. It will tune some but not consistently. Turning the RIT/XIT control from the front panel of the K3 works normally. >>>> >>>> VFO A and VFO B respond to turning the knob on the K-POD normally. >>>> >>>> With the rocker switch in XIT/RIT position on the K-POD and the K3 RIT/XIT function turned off then the K-POD tuning knob adjusts VFO A in coarse mode. This is normal for the way I have the K3 programmed. >>>> >>>> I assume this must be a bug in the 5.50 beta firmware which I have installed. >>>> >>>> As a side note installing the surface mount resister in the K3 is not for those inexperienced in micro soldering. >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> K6FW >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 18:58:01 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <5782d2f5.05e4240a.5633b.b629@mx.google.com> I finally got the functions to work mostly. On my KX2 and KX3 Here is what I did. It seams I got rid of most of the funkiness due to spaces in the wrong place and so on. Pay attention to S&P F1 with out the {S&P} when hitting the F1 key it would send properly then switch back to Run so it was necessary to put it in. Jim K9TF ################### # RUN Messages ################### F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC KY TEST * * ;} F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC KY TU {SENTRSTCUT} {EXCH} K <04>;} F3 Tu,{CATA1ASC KY Tu * * <04>;} F4 K9TF,{CATA1ASC KY * <04>;} F5 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY {CALL}?;} F6 Repeat,{CATA1ASC KY {SENTRSTCUT} {EXCH} {EXCH};} F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ? ?;} F8 Agn?,{CATA1ASC KY Agn?;} F9 S&&P,{{CATA1ASC KY {S&P};} F10 Call?,{CATA1ASC KY Cl?;} F11 Break,{CATA1ASC KY {RX};} F12 Wipe,{WIPE} # ################### # S&P Messages ################### F1 Qrl?,{{S&P}CATA1ASC KY Qrl ? de {MYCALL};} F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC KY TU {SENTRSTCUT} {EXCH};} F3 Tu,{CATA1ASC KY {CALL} Tu EE;} F4 K9TF,{CATA1ASC KY * <04>;} F5 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY {CALL};} F6 Repeat,{CATA1ASC KY {SENTRSTCUT} {EXCH} {EXCH};} F7 ?,{CATA1ASC KY ? ?;} F8 Agn?,{CATA1ASC KY agn?;} F9 Nr?,{CATA1ASC KY Nr?;} F10 Call?,{CATA1ASC KY Call?;} F11 Break,{CATA1ASC KY RX;} F12 Wipe,{WIPE} From dmb at lightstream.net Sun Jul 10 18:58:37 2016 From: dmb at lightstream.net (Dale Boresz) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: can someone test this please? In-Reply-To: <2B6A48E1-E942-45F0-A270-AE3243265364@yahoo.co.uk> References: <3E5FD838-08FD-47C9-AEE9-D03032960E91@yahoo.co.uk> <2B6A48E1-E942-45F0-A270-AE3243265364@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <53575.71.74.118.201.1468191517.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> David, I can confirm that on the K3, the VOX Delay DOES work, regardless of whether the TX Gate is engaged or not. 73, Dale, WA8SRA > Anybody? > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > > >> On 9 Jul 2016, at 19:07, David Anderson via Elecraft >> wrote: >> >> I have a KX3 and have found a bug (or feature) whereby the VOX delay >> does not function when the TX Noise Gate is in use. Yes, I have >> reported it directly to Elecraft. >> >> I would like to know if the K3 VOX delay works with the TX Noise Gate >> on? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmb at lightstream.net > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 10 19:09:49 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001d1db00$28f73e70$7ae5bb50$@biz> Hi Frank: I have been playing with RIT and XIT various tuning rates and cannot duplicate it here. The K3 follows the K-Pod perfectly. Since it's only in RIT/XIT, I wonder if you got a bad rocker switch with intermittent contacts on the K-Pod. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:48 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT Don, Turned off VFO OFS, but the XIT/RIT tuning from the K-POD is still erratic. Thanks for the suggestion. Frank K6FW On 7/10/16 1:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Frank, > > I don't have the K-Pod to try it, but there may some strange > relationship between your K3 setting of VFO OFS. Try turning VFO OFS > to OFF and see if the K-Pod RIT/XIT selection adjusts RIT properly. > > If that fixes it, of course that is likely a bug, but at least you > will know what is causing it. > I have not heard any other reports of abnormal behavior with the K-Pod > and RIT/XIT, and I have monitored the K-Pod Field Test comments. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/10/2016 4:00 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: >> I have noticed one issue with my K-POD. >> >> When I move the rocker switch to RIT/XIT on the K-POD and turn the >> RIT/XIT function on from the front panel of my K3 spinning the knob >> on the K-POD does not reliability change the value of the RIT/XIT. It >> will tune some but not consistently. Turning the RIT/XIT control >> from the front panel of the K3 works normally. >> >> VFO A and VFO B respond to turning the knob on the K-POD normally. >> >> With the rocker switch in XIT/RIT position on the K-POD and the K3 >> RIT/XIT function turned off then the K-POD tuning knob adjusts VFO A >> in coarse mode. This is normal for the way I have the K3 programmed. >> >> I assume this must be a bug in the 5.50 beta firmware which I have >> installed. >> >> As a side note installing the surface mount resister in the K3 is not >> for those inexperienced in micro soldering. >> >> Frank >> K6FW >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Jul 10 19:10:48 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:10:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160710231048.GE22814@n0nb.us> Interesting list that the represented models are shown as K3, K3S, or KX3 today. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 10 19:35:11 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th In-Reply-To: <20160710231048.GE22814@n0nb.us> Message-ID: Minor correction: AE6JV's K3 is serial 6299 The band really moved up and down during the net. Before the net started, I could hear Jim in Texas very clearly, by 1808, when I checked, he couldn't hear me and I was having trouble hearing him. I think my info was relayed by a combination of Phil, NS7P and John, N6JW, but I'm not sure because I wasn't hearing them very well either. By 1840Z, I could hear many of the stations again and John had come up to S9 and Phil was at S8. Never a boring moment on HF. 73 Bill AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Jul 10 19:47:46 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:47:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> References: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1468194466278-7619897.post@n2.nabble.com> > There has been mention of future software and interfaces for the PC. Will there be any kind of > programmer?s manual available to the public? +1 on the K-Pod programmer's manual. Good call, Ron. I assume Ron is looking for a definition of the interface / protocol between the K-Pod and K3 / K3s. I believe the K3 / K3s "J3" connector leveraged by the K-Pod was originally intended to serve as a MPLAB ICD 2 (In-Circuit Debugger), http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/ICD-2%20Schematic.jpg http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/MPLAB%20ICD%202.jpg http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/devicedoc/51331b.pdf With respect to future software and interfaces ... The owner's manual states, "Future firmware for the K-Pod that can be downloaded from www.elecraft.com will allow you to control your personal computer from the K-Pod through the USB interface. Your computer will recognize the K-Pod as a human interface device such as a keyboard or mouse." The HID protocol is well-defined. For now, let's see if we can get Elecraft to share the interface / protocol between the K-Pod and K3 / K3s. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-pod-tp7619885p7619897.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 10 19:49:59 2016 From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:49:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I found these... On Friday, July 8, 2016 11:04 AM, Robert Losee [via Elecraft] wrote: It would be nice if Elecraft offered a mini-banana plug for use with the KX2 that would have a binding post or other device that would allow the counterpoise to be attached without soldering the wire -- the binding post to bnc connector is nice and the same binding post would be useful with the mini-banana plug. 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From bill.ke5og at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 19:52:06 2016 From: bill.ke5og at gmail.com (Bill Brooks) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:52:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards Message-ID: This may be the wrong place for this question, but... My K3's, I have two, are connected to my computer sound cards, (I have two) via the K3 line out to the sound card line in. After taking the computer and the K3's to Field Day and running different software than I normally do, they no longer work. When I try to set them up for RTTY (I use Writelog), I set the sound card levels. That level setting lasts for about 10 seconds and then it goes to zero. Something is changing the setting. It happens on both sound cards. Each sound card is connected to a different radio. I am using Windows 7 Home Premium with a microHam u2R. Anybody have any idea what may be happening? Thanks, Bill, KE5OG From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Jul 10 20:00:13 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:00:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1468195213373-7619900.post@n2.nabble.com> What are other K-Pod owners seeing? The K-Pod uses the same 100-PPR quadrature optical encoder as the K3. You should see 400 counts per revolution with VFO CTS set to 400. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-Pod-VFO-counts-per-turn-tp7619856p7619900.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Jul 10 20:02:53 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:02:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: <1468194466278-7619897.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> <1468194466278-7619897.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Probably (99.95%) not going to happen. Hasn't happened yet with any other Elecraft device. Why would they "open source" the K-Pod firmware now? Insignificant upside...potential huge downside. On 7/10/2016 6:47 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > For now, let's see if we can get Elecraft to share the interface / protocol > between the K-Pod and K3 / K3s. > > 73's > > Joe Stone > KF5WBO > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-pod-tp7619885p7619897.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 10 20:03:42 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:03:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I have a couple I have just written: PSK: MD6;DT0;PC035;AG000;IS 1450;BW0230 Go to Data mode and then Data A. Set output to 35 watts. Turn audio gain to zero. Set filter center to 1.450 KHz and bandwidth to 2.300 KHz This macro sets up for computer PSK, MFSK etc. modes and opens up the filter so the whole waterfall on my digital program can show signal. RTTY: MD6;DT1;IS 9000;BW0040 Goes to Data mode and then AFSKA A. Sets the filter center to normal and the bandwidth to 400 HZ. I really need to be able to sense settings and then make choices based on the setting. The PSK macro would be better if it didn't raise the power output, so if is used while QRP contesting, it doesn't accidentally power you out of your entry category. But I don't want to come on PSK at 100 watts, so I would like to set 35 watts only if the current power is higher. I would also like to make the power setting safe with milliwatt transverters. A SSB macro would need to know the band to determine whether USB or LSB is the right setting. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/7/16 at 7:36 PM, n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote: >Those of you who are not timid with macros: Please send us your >favorites for possible inclusion in the next release of the >K-Pod owner's manual. We've already included a bunch, but I >just know there are some great examples out there we haven't >thought of. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Jul 10 20:10:24 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:10:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? In-Reply-To: <1468195213373-7619900.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: With VFO CTS 100, I see 500 KHz change for one revolution on the K-Pod and a 1000 KHz change on VFO A With VFO CTS 400. I see 2000 KHz change on the K-Pod and and 4000 KHz change on VFO A. Both on 20 meters. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/10/16 at 5:00 PM, kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) wrote: > What are other K-Pod owners seeing? The K-Pod uses the same 100-PPR > quadrature optical encoder as the K3. You should see 400 counts per > revolution with VFO CTS set to 400. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 10 20:11:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:11:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0ec4200c-59be-f778-9936-5f52b056a364@embarqmail.com> Bob, If I understand your question corretly --- But why? If you are using the BNC to binding post adapter, the ground connection is to the same board PC ground plane as the ground connection of the BNC to binding post adapter. The use of the mini-banana plug is a convenience for those operating pedestrian mobile and provides a connection for the trail wire that will easily disconnect if the wire encounters a snag - protecting the KX2. Do not make it anything other than that. If you can find a mini-banana jack to binding post adapter, then it can be used instead of the Elecraft supplied connector. You are welcome to query the web, but I do not find any. If your pedestrian mobile situation uses anything other than that mini-banana jack, then you could could cause damage to the KX2 if the wire encounters a snag. If you can find a mini-banana jack to BNC adapter, then you can have your wishes, then you will have your solution. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/10/2016 7:49 PM, KD6QZX wrote: > I found these... > > On Friday, July 8, 2016 11:04 AM, Robert Losee [via Elecraft] wrote: > > > It would be nice if Elecraft offered a mini-banana plug for use with the > KX2 that would have a binding post or other device that would allow the > counterpoise to be attached without soldering the wire -- the binding post > to bnc connector is nice and the same binding post would be useful with the > mini-banana plug. > Bob, KO9V > From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Jul 10 20:19:29 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: References: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> <1468194466278-7619897.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468196369867-7619905.post@n2.nabble.com> > Probably (99.95%) not going to happen. Hasn't happened yet with any > other Elecraft device. Why would they "open source" the K-Pod firmware > now? Insignificant upside...potential huge downside. Maybe I wasn't clear. Or maybe I misunderstood what Ron was asking for. I'm not asking Elecraft to "open source" the K-Pod firmware. I'm asking Elecraft to publish the interface / protocol specification (not firmware) between the K-Pod and the K3 / K3s. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-pod-tp7619885p7619905.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Jul 10 20:22:05 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: References: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> <1468194466278-7619897.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <93f87bed-e175-65ac-0a59-ad521e5d1928@triconet.org> There's one current Elecraft engineer who got the job after "breaking the code" on another Elecraft product. There's probably another one out there somewhere. On 7/10/2016 5:02 PM, Kevin wrote: > Probably (99.95%) not going to happen. Hasn't happened yet with any other > Elecraft device. Why would they "open source" the K-Pod firmware now? > Insignificant upside...potential huge downside. > > > On 7/10/2016 6:47 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: >> >> For now, let's see if we can get Elecraft to share the interface / protocol >> between the K-Pod and K3 / K3s. >> >> 73's >> >> Joe Stone >> KF5WBO >> From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Jul 10 20:28:55 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:28:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? In-Reply-To: References: <1468195213373-7619900.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468196935531-7619907.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks, Bill. That's exactly what Rick is seeing. The K-Pod is essentially functioning as a 50-PPR quadrature encoder, rather than a 100-PPR quadrature encoder. Let's see what Elecraft has to say. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-Pod-VFO-counts-per-turn-tp7619856p7619907.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 20:56:15 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:56:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 function buttons Message-ID: At Dayton this year, one of the gentlemen at the Elecraft booth (I believe his name was David) took the time to walk me through the P3 and all its functions. That really opened my eyes to what it could do. I ordered the basic P3 kit (without the options) the next day. I've had it connected to my K3 for a couple weeks now, and am really enjoying it. The integration is superb. Now, my question. I've configured a few of the FN buttons on the P3 to quickly set the Span to different widths, which is cool. I'm wondering what other uses people have found for the FN buttons? Do you have a favorite function that makes sense to assign to one of these buttons? I'll probably think of more uses when I eventually add the SVGA and TXMon options, but for now, I'm not sure what other function assignments would be useful. I still feel like I'm scratching the surface of how I can configure my K3 after 2 years, so I'm sure I have a lot to learn about the P3 as well. 73 de W0ZF From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 20:58:27 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:58:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: <000001d1db00$28f73e70$7ae5bb50$@biz> References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> <000001d1db00$28f73e70$7ae5bb50$@biz> Message-ID: So does the same thing happen with both the K3 and K3S? There may be a different program path involved. Also why it's beta. 73, Guy K2AV On Sunday, July 10, 2016, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Hi Frank: > > I have been playing with RIT and XIT various tuning rates and cannot > duplicate it here. The K3 follows the K-Pod perfectly. > > Since it's only in RIT/XIT, I wonder if you got a bad rocker switch with > intermittent contacts on the K-Pod. > > 73 Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net ] > On Behalf Of Frank > Westphal > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:48 PM > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT > > Don, > > Turned off VFO OFS, but the XIT/RIT tuning from the K-POD is still erratic. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Frank > K6FW > > On 7/10/16 1:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Frank, > > > > I don't have the K-Pod to try it, but there may some strange > > relationship between your K3 setting of VFO OFS. Try turning VFO OFS > > to OFF and see if the K-Pod RIT/XIT selection adjusts RIT properly. > > > > If that fixes it, of course that is likely a bug, but at least you > > will know what is causing it. > > I have not heard any other reports of abnormal behavior with the K-Pod > > and RIT/XIT, and I have monitored the K-Pod Field Test comments. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 7/10/2016 4:00 PM, Frank Westphal wrote: > >> I have noticed one issue with my K-POD. > >> > >> When I move the rocker switch to RIT/XIT on the K-POD and turn the > >> RIT/XIT function on from the front panel of my K3 spinning the knob > >> on the K-POD does not reliability change the value of the RIT/XIT. It > >> will tune some but not consistently. Turning the RIT/XIT control > >> from the front panel of the K3 works normally. > >> > >> VFO A and VFO B respond to turning the knob on the K-POD normally. > >> > >> With the rocker switch in XIT/RIT position on the K-POD and the K3 > >> RIT/XIT function turned off then the K-POD tuning knob adjusts VFO A > >> in coarse mode. This is normal for the way I have the K3 programmed. > >> > >> I assume this must be a bug in the 5.50 beta firmware which I have > >> installed. > >> > >> As a side note installing the surface mount resister in the K3 is not > >> for those inexperienced in micro soldering. > >> > >> Frank > >> K6FW > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >> donwilh at embarqmail.com > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 10 21:00:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:00:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12e26cdf-2c6e-fad5-ab5f-ad065fa233b0@embarqmail.com> Bill, The K3 has no control over the computer soundcard levels. I suggest you pose the question to your computer OS forum to see what may be changing your soundcard levels. The folks at MicroHam *might* be able to offer some clues, but bottom line, your OS is doing something unexpected. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/10/2016 7:52 PM, Bill Brooks wrote: > This may be the wrong place for this question, but... > > My K3's, I have two, are connected to my computer sound cards, (I have two) > via the K3 line out to the sound card line in. After taking the computer > and the K3's to Field Day and running different software than I normally > do, they no longer work. When I try to set them up for RTTY (I use > Writelog), I set the sound card levels. That level setting lasts for about > 10 seconds and then it goes to zero. Something is changing the setting. It > happens on both sound cards. Each sound card is connected to a different > radio. > > I am using Windows 7 Home Premium with a microHam u2R. > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Jul 10 21:03:02 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: <0ec4200c-59be-f778-9936-5f52b056a364@embarqmail.com> References: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0ec4200c-59be-f778-9936-5f52b056a364@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I vaguely someone suggesting connecting a power pole to a single mini banana plug via a short lead. Then different counterpoise lengths can be connected via the power pole, and will still pull out from the banana socket if stepped on. Seems like a good plan, and there would be other ways to implement the same concept -- so dealing with connecting to the mini banana plug need be done only once. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/10/16 5:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bob, > > If I understand your question corretly --- > > But why? If you are using the BNC to binding > post adapter, the ground connection is to the > same board PC ground plane as the ground > connection of the BNC to binding post adapter. > > The use of the mini-banana plug is a convenience > for those operating pedestrian mobile and > provides a connection for the trail wire that > will easily disconnect if the wire encounters a > snag - protecting the KX2. Do not make it > anything other than that. If you can find a > mini-banana jack to binding post adapter, then > it can be used instead of the Elecraft supplied > connector. You are welcome to query the web, but > I do not find any. > > If your pedestrian mobile situation uses > anything other than that mini-banana jack, then > you could could cause damage to the KX2 if the > wire encounters a snag. > > If you can find a mini-banana jack to BNC > adapter, then you can have your wishes, then you > will have your solution. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > On 7/10/2016 7:49 PM, KD6QZX wrote: >> I found these... >> >> On Friday, July 8, 2016 11:04 AM, Robert >> Losee [via Elecraft] >> wrote: >> >> It would be nice if Elecraft offered a >> mini-banana plug for use with the >> KX2 that would have a binding post or other >> device that would allow the >> counterpoise to be attached without soldering >> the wire -- the binding post >> to bnc connector is nice and the same binding >> post would be useful with the >> mini-banana plug. >> Bob, KO9V From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 21:15:01 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027701d1db11$a65413f0$f2fc3bd0$@gmail.com> Bill, Make sure WriteLog is using the u2R as the sound card device, and not whatever the default sound card is for your system. Sometimes, when you make other changes to your system, it can return all sound card settings to the default on-board sound card. Over 22 years in IT has taught me to check all settings, even ones that should be persistent. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 7:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards This may be the wrong place for this question, but... My K3's, I have two, are connected to my computer sound cards, (I have two) via the K3 line out to the sound card line in. After taking the computer and the K3's to Field Day and running different software than I normally do, they no longer work. When I try to set them up for RTTY (I use Writelog), I set the sound card levels. That level setting lasts for about 10 seconds and then it goes to zero. Something is changing the setting. It happens on both sound cards. Each sound card is connected to a different radio. I am using Windows 7 Home Premium with a microHam u2R. Anybody have any idea what may be happening? Thanks, Bill, KE5OG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bill.ke5og at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 21:20:06 2016 From: bill.ke5og at gmail.com (Bill Brooks) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:20:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards In-Reply-To: <027701d1db11$a65413f0$f2fc3bd0$@gmail.com> References: <027701d1db11$a65413f0$f2fc3bd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ian. I have spent three days on it to no avail. I check on that. Bill On Sunday, July 10, 2016, Ian - Ham wrote: > Bill, > > Make sure WriteLog is using the u2R as the sound card device, and not > whatever the default sound card is for your system. Sometimes, when you > make > other changes to your system, it can return all sound card settings to the > default on-board sound card. Over 22 years in IT has taught me to check all > settings, even ones that should be persistent. > > 73 de, > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net ] > On Behalf Of Bill > Brooks > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 7:52 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards > > This may be the wrong place for this question, but... > > My K3's, I have two, are connected to my computer sound cards, (I have two) > via the K3 line out to the sound card line in. After taking the computer > and > the K3's to Field Day and running different software than I normally do, > they no longer work. When I try to set them up for RTTY (I use Writelog), I > set the sound card levels. That level setting lasts for about > 10 seconds and then it goes to zero. Something is changing the setting. It > happens on both sound cards. Each sound card is connected to a different > radio. > > I am using Windows 7 Home Premium with a microHam u2R. > > Anybody have any idea what may be happening? > > Thanks, > Bill, KE5OG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -- Bill Brooks 432-244-8863 From bill.ke5og at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 21:21:33 2016 From: bill.ke5og at gmail.com (Bill Brooks) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:21:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards In-Reply-To: <12e26cdf-2c6e-fad5-ab5f-ad065fa233b0@embarqmail.com> References: <12e26cdf-2c6e-fad5-ab5f-ad065fa233b0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Don, I have gotten no where asking about the OS so I thought I would try here and the Writelog forum. Bill On Sunday, July 10, 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bill, > > The K3 has no control over the computer soundcard levels. > I suggest you pose the question to your computer OS forum to see what may > be changing your soundcard levels. > > The folks at MicroHam *might* be able to offer some clues, but bottom > line, your OS is doing something unexpected. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/10/2016 7:52 PM, Bill Brooks wrote: > >> This may be the wrong place for this question, but... >> >> My K3's, I have two, are connected to my computer sound cards, (I have >> two) >> via the K3 line out to the sound card line in. After taking the computer >> and the K3's to Field Day and running different software than I normally >> do, they no longer work. When I try to set them up for RTTY (I use >> Writelog), I set the sound card levels. That level setting lasts for about >> 10 seconds and then it goes to zero. Something is changing the setting. It >> happens on both sound cards. Each sound card is connected to a different >> radio. >> >> I am using Windows 7 Home Premium with a microHam u2R. >> >> >> > -- Bill Brooks 432-244-8863 From lists at subich.com Sun Jul 10 21:36:59 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:36:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make sure WriteLog has selected the correct sound card. If you connected other hardware to the computer and installed other software during Field Day you will almost certainly need to reset all of the audio settings in Windows Control Panel and WriteLog. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/10/2016 7:52 PM, Bill Brooks wrote: > This may be the wrong place for this question, but... > > My K3's, I have two, are connected to my computer sound cards, (I have two) > via the K3 line out to the sound card line in. After taking the computer > and the K3's to Field Day and running different software than I normally > do, they no longer work. When I try to set them up for RTTY (I use > Writelog), I set the sound card levels. That level setting lasts for about > 10 seconds and then it goes to zero. Something is changing the setting. It > happens on both sound cards. Each sound card is connected to a different > radio. > > I am using Windows 7 Home Premium with a microHam u2R. > > Anybody have any idea what may be happening? > > Thanks, > Bill, KE5OG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jthorpe at liberty.edu Sun Jul 10 21:39:14 2016 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:39:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 memory - odd behavior with RCL In-Reply-To: References: <4B8486B4-711A-4973-8444-1D30FA7EBF00@liberty.edu> , , Message-ID: <9E813355-5B70-4F00-97DE-1B6BFE9A1926@liberty.edu> Good lesson: read Fred Cady's book carefully when puzzled. It was in there. I just needed to pay better attention. Jeff - KG7HDZ > On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:38 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: > > Guess I misunderstood how channel hopping worked, not ever having tried to use it before. Looks like I've been unintentionally using it. > Thanks Don. > > Jeff - kg7hdz > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Jeff, >> >> Do you have an "*" in the text field of those memories? >> If so, that is the indicator that those memories are to be used for channel hopping, and behavior will be exactly as you have described. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 7/8/2016 11:03 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: >>> Does anyone else notice this: >>> >>> I hold RCL, dial VFO A to select the memory I want, then tap any key to exit. >>> Everything looks ok, until I try to tune VFO A, but instead of normal tuning, it rotates through the memory channels again, but only within the same band I started out in. (My memories are all in sequential order of frequency, so I don't know if it would 'hop' over any if they weren't sequential.) >>> >>> VFO A won't go back to normal tuning until I've tapped Band+ or -. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu From aldermant at windstream.net Sun Jul 10 22:07:50 2016 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:07:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys In-Reply-To: References: <035e01d1daed$09f99170$1decb450$@net> Message-ID: <001501d1db19$06eb14f0$14c13ed0$@windstream.net> If you READ the documentation, you would find that 'repeat CQ'ing' has been a function of N1MM and M1MM+ for many years! Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Frantz Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:16 PM Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Being very lazy, I would like repeat CQ for SOTA activations, or almost any CQing. Pretty much anything but running a pileup. YMMV. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/10/16 at 1:52 PM, K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) wrote: >Since the repeat function is generally used in a contest for repetitive >CQing and a KX2 is not going to be a heavy duty contest radio, this is >probably only going to affect a very few folks BUT here's how I work >around the repeat issue (since I'm on the crazy fringe): ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Jul 10 22:13:00 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:13:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 function buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8917899d-0656-c026-51f0-3fe4dc951424@foothill.net> Well Dave ... I have a number of keys on my K3 to which I can assign macro functions. I have one assigned ... PF1=SPKR+PH ON/OFF. I have the 8 soft-keys on my P3 of which 4 are assigned so far [in 3 years], and I use only two, and rarely them. I have 8 macro keys on my Pigknob plus the additional two on the knob. I have one key assigned, which I use sporadically. I occasionally use the knob to switch between tuning rates, I could certainly live without it since the K3 already offers that option in spades. For me, any more "programmable macro buttons" would be gross overkill. YMMV 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 7/10/2016 5:56 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote: > Now, my question. I've configured a few of the FN buttons on the P3 to > quickly set the Span to different widths, which is cool. I'm wondering > what other uses people have found for the FN buttons? Do you have a > favorite function that makes sense to assign to one of these buttons? > > I'll probably think of more uses when I eventually add the SVGA and TXMon > options, but for now, I'm not sure what other function assignments would be > useful. I still feel like I'm scratching the surface of how I can > configure my K3 after 2 years, so I'm sure I have a lot to learn about the > P3 as well. > > 73 de W0ZF From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 22:20:40 2016 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th Message-ID: I'm going to claim it was the poor conditions today. However, here are a couple more corrections: AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 (not 629) KG6VDW Jon (not John) and his KX3 is 8046 (not 6046) At this rate, I may lose my job. ? 73 to all, Jim - W4RKS From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 10 22:27:36 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:27:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> References: <9203F96F-5254-4CD5-9ED2-5D749A7F2AAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d1db1b$ca017c70$5e047550$@biz> So far, it is the K3S/K3 Programmer's reference you can download here: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S&K3&KX3&KX2%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20F8.pdf If further special commands are added for the K-Pod you can be sure there will be either a new document or the above guide will be expanded. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ronald Herman Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:12 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod There has been mention of future software and interfaces for the PC. Will there be any kind of programmer?s manual available to the public? Ron, K1PDY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 22:41:34 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:41:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <5783075e.108d6b0a.dc44d.707a@mx.google.com> Here is a correction from last post Erase the <04> in the F# lines that has it. This controls the CW speed which does not work on the KX2 or KX3. Jim K9TF From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 11 00:15:04 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:15:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sound Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e9c538e-9371-f531-1b68-906debbe562d@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,7/10/2016 6:36 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Make sure WriteLog has selected the correct sound card. If you > connected other hardware to the computer and installed other > software during Field Day you will almost certainly need to reset > all of the audio settings in Windows Control Panel and WriteLog. Yes. Another thing that often happens is that if you plug those sound cards into different USB ports, Windoze will view them as new devices, assign them different IDs. And, as others have suggested, your applications may be using a different device as the default. Bottom line -- it's a Windoze issue. 73, Jim K9YC From linxt at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 01:18:44 2016 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:18:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160710221844.7fd97d27@desktop-1.home> On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:23:35 -0500 James Wilson wrote: > W4RKS Jim in Fort Worth TX substituting for > Net Control WB9JNZ Eric in Chicago, IL > July 10, 2016 > > Many thanks for all of the relaying stations: > N6JW John in CA, KM4IK Ian in GA and NS7P Phil in OR > > Stations logged in in spite of very poor conditions were: > > N6JW John CA K3 936 > > NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 > > KM4IK Ian GA K3 281 > > W4LDD Larry NC K3 7664 > > N4NRD Roger SC K3 1318 > > AE6JV Bill CA K3 629 > > KK6DA Dave CA K3S 10125 > > W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 > > K6WDE Dave CA KX3 4599 > > K5RHD Randy NM K3 7317 > > WV5I Duane TX K3 5287 > > AD5X Milt TX K3 3203 > > N7BDL Terry AZ K3S 10373 > > N9TF Gene IL K3S 10057 > > KE7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 > > W4PFM Paul VA K3 1673 > > KY5G Clay LA K3S 10643 > > KG6VDW John NV KX3 6046 > > N0NB Nate KS K3 4762 > > W4TGF/6 Todd N/CA KX3 284 > > V31FA Alan Beleze KX3 3129 > > K4FI Doug SC K3 6199 > > KJ6OHI Carl CA K3 8936 > > WB4ODA Ron NC K3S 10684 > > W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 > > That's 25 participants - not too shabby for such > poor band conditions. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg7cfc at fwarc.org Hi Jim, Question regarding the SSB net on Sundays. What is the starting time for the net? I'm a new user of Elecraft K2 #7491 (100W version). Thanks, Tom Taylor KE7TT -- Ever notice the first thing you see at an airport is a big sign that says "TERMINAL"? Have a nice flight. - Lewis Grizzard ^^ --... ...-- / -.- . --... - - ^^^^ Tom Taylor KE7TT openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 960 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 40.1, claws-mail 3.10.1 registered linux user 263467 From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Jul 11 01:19:37 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? In-Reply-To: <1468196935531-7619907.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468195213373-7619900.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468196935531-7619907.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8FA5715F-29E2-483E-A987-D480F51D87CA@elecraft.com> The K3 and K3S both use all 400 counts of the VFO A and B encoders (100 pulses/track/revolution). The K-Pod defaults to 200 counts. During our testing we found that this provided the best compromise between precision and "fussiness" for typical K-Pod operations. We plan to add a function to K-Pod Utility (which itself isn't quite ready yet) that will allow the user to change this to 100/200/400. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 10, 2016, at 5:28 PM, "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" wrote: > > Thanks, Bill. That's exactly what Rick is seeing. The K-Pod is essentially > functioning as a 50-PPR quadrature encoder, rather than a 100-PPR quadrature > encoder. Let's see what Elecraft has to say. > > 73's > > Joe Stone > KF5WBO > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-Pod-VFO-counts-per-turn-tp7619856p7619907.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jul 11 03:45:17 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:45:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: can someone test this please? In-Reply-To: <53575.71.74.118.201.1468191517.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <3E5FD838-08FD-47C9-AEE9-D03032960E91@yahoo.co.uk> <2B6A48E1-E942-45F0-A270-AE3243265364@yahoo.co.uk> <53575.71.74.118.201.1468191517.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: Thanks Dale and the otters who have kindly tested this for me. As a KX3 owner I was trying to determine if there was any good reason why the VOX delay couldn't work with the TX Noise Gate. So it does appear this is a KX3 BUG. Over to you Elecraft. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 10 Jul 2016, at 23:58, Dale Boresz wrote: > > David, > > I can confirm that on the K3, the VOX Delay DOES work, regardless of > whether the TX Gate is engaged or not. > > 73, > > Dale, WA8SRA > >> Anybody? >> >> 73 >> >> David Anderson GM4JJJ >> >> >>> On 9 Jul 2016, at 19:07, David Anderson via Elecraft >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have a KX3 and have found a bug (or feature) whereby the VOX delay >>> does not function when the TX Noise Gate is in use. Yes, I have >>> reported it directly to Elecraft. >>> >>> I would like to know if the K3 VOX delay works with the TX Noise Gate >>> on? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dmb at lightstream.net > > From joel.b.black at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 06:38:35 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:38:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Mini Wireless Keyboard Message-ID: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> Wondering if anyone has tried this mini wireless keyboard with their PX3: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1737?gclid=Cj0KEQjwh428BRCnvcyI-5nqjY4BEiQAijebws3eF9yt7A1so9Xw44_K2fCnlGD2uOQ6gPBS8FtpPMoaAgfi8P8HAQ Yes, I know there is a list on Elecraft?s website, but it is not all inclusive and does not seem to include many ?mini? wireless keyboards. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 07:03:33 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:03:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th In-Reply-To: <20160710221844.7fd97d27@desktop-1.home> References: <20160710221844.7fd97d27@desktop-1.home> Message-ID: <028f01d1db63$de03eee0$9a0bcca0$@gmail.com> Tom, The net is at 1800 UTC every Sunday, on 14.3035. If you can't hear the net control station due to propagation, listen for one of the many relay stations that help out. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- Hi Jim, Question regarding the SSB net on Sundays. What is the starting time for the net? I'm a new user of Elecraft K2 #7491 (100W version). Thanks, Tom Taylor KE7TT -- Ever notice the first thing you see at an airport is a big sign that says "TERMINAL"? Have a nice flight. - Lewis Grizzard ^^ --... ...-- / -.- . --... - - ^^^^ Tom Taylor KE7TT openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 960 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 40.1, claws-mail 3.10.1 registered linux user 263467 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ha4zd at t-online.hu Mon Jul 11 07:08:19 2016 From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?UTF-8?B?U3phYsOzIElzdHbDoW4=?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:08:19 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: References: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0ec4200c-59be-f778-9936-5f52b056a364@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Could these BNC adapters be used for it? No additional weight, no more space required. http://www.ebay.com/itm/381429029110 73, Istv?n, HA4ZD From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Mon Jul 11 07:12:45 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William Lagerberg) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:12:45 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard Message-ID: Hi Group, I think there has been told a lot about wireless keyboard an Kpod etc etc. But Is it possible to get a wireless keyboard connected to the P3 somewhere i read that a 2.4 Ghz remote keyboard would work ??? Is there somebody who has experience, I have many apple keyboard but every where i read, they don?t work, i did not even try :-) is the a list of keyboards ?? I am getting stuck in the wire every time ( just google my call) you understand :-) Regards William PE1BSB From kzeroxb at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 07:51:36 2016 From: kzeroxb at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? In-Reply-To: <8FA5715F-29E2-483E-A987-D480F51D87CA@elecraft.com> References: <8FA5715F-29E2-483E-A987-D480F51D87CA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1fa8e68a-2dfb-99d1-9623-4d67dc2806f6@gmail.com> Thanks Wayne. So I understand what I'm seeing is correct, at least for now. I'll watch for the new K3 utility. 73, Rick K0XB From cautery at montac.com Mon Jul 11 08:44:52 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:44:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks again, Jim for linking to this vendor. Just ordered the 12 Amp/Hr battery they had on promotion with charger to 1) try them out, and 2) to power the K3s/P3 while RFI, et al hunting with all or most of the shack service shut down. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 6/30/2016 11:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > This sale offers good discounts on some fine backpacking products from > a ham-friendly company. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From dick at elecraft.com Mon Jul 11 09:24:16 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:24:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod VFO counts per turn? In-Reply-To: <8FA5715F-29E2-483E-A987-D480F51D87CA@elecraft.com> References: <1468195213373-7619900.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468196935531-7619907.post@n2.nabble.com> <8FA5715F-29E2-483E-A987-D480F51D87CA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9F29DFA2-F080-4162-928D-0426C985726E@elecraft.com> > On Jul 10, 2016, at 22:19, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > The K3 and K3S both use all 400 counts of the VFO A and B encoders (100 pulses/track/revolution). > > The K-Pod defaults to 200 counts. During our testing we found that this provided the best compromise between precision and "fussiness" for typical K-Pod operations. > > We plan to add a function to K-Pod Utility (which itself isn't quite ready yet) that will allow the user to change this to 100/200/400. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 5:28 PM, "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" wrote: >> >> >> Thanks, Bill. That's exactly what Rick is seeing. The K-Pod is essentially >> functioning as a 50-PPR quadrature encoder, rather than a 100-PPR quadrature >> encoder. Let's see what Elecraft has to say. >> >> 73's >> >> Joe Stone >> KF5WBO >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-Pod-VFO-counts-per-turn-tp7619856p7619907.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From genebit at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 11 09:29:46 2016 From: genebit at bellsouth.net (Dave KW4M) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:29:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 options weights Message-ID: <1468243786145-7619932.post@n2.nabble.com> The weight of a KX2 with no battery or installed options is specified to be 13 ounces. What are the individual weights of its various options? I'm trying to estimate the potential weight savings compared to a KX3 with options installed. "Worry about the ounces and the pounds will take care of themselves." 73, Dave ----- Dave My Web Site -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-options-weights-tp7619932.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Mon Jul 11 10:15:50 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:15:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1468246550806-7619933.post@n2.nabble.com> Here's the list of keyboards supported in conjunction with the PX3 and P3SVGA, http://www.elecraft.com/manual/px3_keyboard_list_A3.pdf For some reason, the file name and title suggests this list is specific to the PX3, but the list itself states, "Keyboards listed were available when this list was created and have been tested with the PX3/P3SVGA" This is a (very) small sample of the supported keyboards. The key is "2.4 GHz wireless" and NOT "bluetooth". I wouldn't be surprised that an Apple keyboard does not work. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-wireles-keyboard-tp7619928p7619933.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Mon Jul 11 10:37:01 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:37:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Mini Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> References: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1468247821907-7619934.post@n2.nabble.com> I haven't used the Adafruit keyboard, however, I will offer a word of caution ... it wouldn't appear this keyboard has an "Insert" key. An Insert key is currently required in order to leverage the new PX3 "scratchpad" feature (which is excellent). The scratchpad feature can be used to substitute his:callsign in transmitting stored text messages. Paul has promised to fix this issue by offering an alternative to the Insert key (e.g., Alt-i, Ctrl-i, ...). I'm very fond of the Anker wireless keyboards, however, Anker no longer offers compact 2.4 GHz wireless keyboards. They only offer bluetooth compact keyboards. 2.4 GHz wireless is clearly falling out of favor. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Mini-Wireless-Keyboard-tp7619925p7619934.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 11 10:46:50 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Mini Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: <1468247821907-7619934.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> <1468247821907-7619934.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8c934fe0-94b7-e24f-8c57-b8c34232dc3b@embarqmail.com> I personally don't have a problem with USB wired keyboards. Since the keyboard will be located close to the P3/PX3, the cord is not a problem for me. It goes straight back from the keyboard and is routed to the back of the P3, so it is not in the way of anything on the desk. I do use a wireless keyboard and mouse on my media computer, but that is because the computer is located more than 10 feet away from where I want to operate the keyboard and mouse. The list of wired USB keyboards that work is greater than the list of wireless. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/11/2016 10:37 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > I haven't used the Adafruit keyboard, however, I will offer a word of > caution ... it wouldn't appear this keyboard has an "Insert" key. An Insert > key is currently required in order to leverage the new PX3 "scratchpad" > feature (which is excellent). The scratchpad feature can be used to > substitute his:callsign in transmitting stored text messages. > > From k9yeq at live.com Sun Jul 10 23:50:55 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:50:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use a Logitech, Works fine. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of William Lagerberg Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:13 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard Hi Group, I think there has been told a lot about wireless keyboard an Kpod etc etc. But Is it possible to get a wireless keyboard connected to the P3 somewhere i read that a 2.4 Ghz remote keyboard would work ??? Is there somebody who has experience, I have many apple keyboard but every where i read, they don?t work, i did not even try :-) is the a list of keyboards ?? I am getting stuck in the wire every time ( just google my call) you understand :-) Regards William PE1BSB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Jul 11 11:17:13 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:17:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: References: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0ec4200c-59be-f778-9936-5f52b056a364@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Those are for TV, so they are probably 75 Ohm. Those can be used with 50 Ohm connectors if both are made to the BNC spec. With each one costing under a dollar, I?m not sure about the quality. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 11, 2016, at 4:08 AM, Szab? Istv?n wrote: > > Could these BNC adapters be used for it? No additional weight, no more space required. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/381429029110 > > > 73, Istv?n, HA4ZD > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Jul 11 12:24:20 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:24:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard In-Reply-To: <1468246550806-7619933.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: All the Apple keyboards I have seen have built in USB hubs. (And I have a lot of them kicking around the house.) Since the P3 does not support hubs, they won't work. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/11/16 at 7:15 AM, kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) wrote: >I wouldn't be surprised that an Apple >keyboard does not work. -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Jul 11 13:28:03 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:28:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There was a bug in my RTTY macro. The latest version is: RTTY: MD6;DT1;IS 2210;BW0040 Goes to Data mode and then AFSK A. Sets the filter center to normal (2.21 KHz) and the bandwidth to 400 HZ. Old version was: >RTTY: MD6;DT1;IS 9000;BW0040 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From jstengrevics at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 14:36:33 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (stengrevics) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:36:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S Message-ID: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an uninterruptible power supply (UPS). Does anyone have any experience doing this? If so, what UPS specifications are appropriate to handle the K3S? My apologies if this has been previously discussed. Please do provide a link if it has. 73, John WA1EAZ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Uninterruptible-Power-Supply-for-K3S-tp7619939.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kb9iva at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 11 09:37:44 2016 From: kb9iva at sbcglobal.net (Robert Reiman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Portable Ant References: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> What portable or walk about Antenna could I use with my KX2??72's? Bob Kb9ivaKb9iva at sbcglobal.net From n1ho at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 15:02:47 2016 From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1660056677.1286096.1468263767851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The "UPS" for my K3 consists of an Astron RS35 linear powersupply driving a West Mountain Radio Super PWRgate PG40Sto a 105Ah AGM SLA battery. Power to the K3 comes from aWMR RigRunner 4012 that's plugged into the PG40S. Very quiet,and can be deployed fairly quickly. 73 de N1HO Stengrevics wrote: To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an uninterruptible power supply (UPS).? Does anyone have any experience doing this?? If so, what UPS specifications are appropriate to handle the K3S? From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 11 15:05:55 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:05:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Mon,7/11/2016 11:36 AM, stengrevics wrote: > To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an > uninterruptible power supply (UPS). Bad idea, for several reasons. First, power line noise is created by a defective component in the power system arcing, and radiated by power wiring close to the where the arc occurs. This radiated noise is like any other RF signal -- it propagates, and our antennas receive it. It is VERY unlikely to be conducted into our equipment via our own power wiring. Second, UPS units are often noise sources themselves. Third, how do you know that what you hear is power line noise? Much of the noise we hear in our radios is created by electronic equipment of all sorts. Study http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Jul 11 15:14:44 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:14:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Portable Ant In-Reply-To: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For walking one of the MFJ whips seems a reasonable choice. Wayne did some posts on that a month or two ago. Phil W7OX On 7/11/16 6:37 AM, Robert Reiman wrote: > What portable or walk about Antenna could I use with my KX2? 72's Bob Kb9ivaKb9iva at sbcglobal.net From jmoodysr at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 15:17:51 2016 From: jmoodysr at gmail.com (Jon Moody) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Sunday July 10th Message-ID: Jim, You wish !!!! You do an excellent job and will never get fired :) Like you said the band conditions were atrocious with fading and very noisy. -- 73 Jon KG6VDW From raysills3 at verizon.net Mon Jul 11 15:21:55 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:21:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Portable Ant In-Reply-To: References: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The MFJ-18XX series is probably what that was. XX is replaced by your band of choice. The whips are base loaded, and only work on one band. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > For walking one of the MFJ whips seems a reasonable choice. Wayne did some posts on that a month or two ago. > > Phil W7OX > > On 7/11/16 6:37 AM, Robert Reiman wrote: >> What portable or walk about Antenna could I use with my KX2? 72's Bob Kb9ivaKb9iva at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 15:22:58 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:22:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: John, You can use any UPS that will protect your computer. I got mine at Stables. It was the least expensive that they had on sale. They're all pretty much the same, a battery, battery charger and a 12 volt to 117 AC inverter. Some do have computer interfaces for protecting servers, but you really don't need that feature. The size of the battery determines how long you can stay up without power. You only need enough power for a few minutes as you are using the battery as a buffer for noise and voltage spikes from lightning strikes and motors turning on and off. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "stengrevics" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 7/11/2016 2:36:33 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S >To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an >uninterruptible power supply (UPS). Does anyone have any experience >doing >this? If so, what UPS specifications are appropriate to handle the >K3S? > >My apologies if this has been previously discussed. Please do provide >a >link if it has. > >73, > >John >WA1EAZ > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Uninterruptible-Power-Supply-for-K3S-tp7619939.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From ed at w0yk.com Mon Jul 11 15:28:46 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Portable Ant In-Reply-To: References: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76FB9A34C747423C933A8D044A960519@h81420t> You'll also want a counterpoise wire connected to a mini-banana plug inserted into the corner hole on the KX2. It can drag on the ground as you want and if it gets snagged or stepped on, it simply disconnects easily from the KX2. Ed W0YK _______________________________________________________________________ Ray K2ULR wrote: The MFJ-18XX series is probably what that was. XX is replaced by your band of choice. The whips are base loaded, and only work on one band. > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > For walking one of the MFJ whips seems a reasonable choice. Wayne did some posts on that a month or two ago. > On 7/11/16 6:37 AM, Robert Reiman wrote: >> What portable or walk about Antenna could I use with my KX2? 72's Bob Kb9ivaKb9iva at sbcglobal.net From jstengrevics at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 15:38:52 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: References: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <21895B3E-09D5-4B5A-8D87-7EFFDA3BC4A7@comcast.net> Thanks to all for the comments. Not being familiar with these things, I thought the UPS could be use for a protracted period of time. Jim - I?ve been through the exercise of turning off every breaker in the house except the one that supplies power to the shack. I then unplugged everything in the shack except the K3S and rotor control box and turned off the lights. I still had the noise. Bonding didn?t do anything - I only have the K3S, speaker and a rotor control box. I?ve got ferrites out the gazoo! I live in an area with 2-acre zoning and no commercial establishment wishing a couple of miles. So, I?m at a loss. Maybe atmospheric noise? John WA1EAZ > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Mon,7/11/2016 11:36 AM, stengrevics wrote: >> To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an >> uninterruptible power supply (UPS). > > > Bad idea, for several reasons. First, power line noise is created by a defective component in the power system arcing, and radiated by power wiring close to the where the arc occurs. This radiated noise is like any other RF signal -- it propagates, and our antennas receive it. It is VERY unlikely to be conducted into our equipment via our own power wiring. > > Second, UPS units are often noise sources themselves. > > Third, how do you know that what you hear is power line noise? Much of the noise we hear in our radios is created by electronic equipment of all sorts. > > Study http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 11 15:58:32 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:58:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float charge. On 7/11/2016 5:44 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Thanks again, Jim for linking to this vendor. Just ordered the 12 > Amp/Hr battery they had on promotion with charger to 1) try them out, > and 2) to power the K3s/P3 while RFI, et al hunting with all or most of > the shack service shut down. > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 6/30/2016 11:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> This sale offers good discounts on some fine backpacking products from >> a ham-friendly company. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> From ktalbott at gamewood.net Mon Jul 11 16:15:10 2016 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:15:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPDX2 has arrived! Message-ID: <00b301d1dbb0$edb3ddd0$c91b9970$@gamewood.net> Looks and feels good right out of the package. More to follow after some use. But they are in the mail! Ken - ke4rg From n8cep.keith at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 16:31:04 2016 From: n8cep.keith at gmail.com (Keith Hamilton) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3-KX3 sideband null procedure Message-ID: Sorry if this is a dumb question. I went through the sideband null procedure from page 31 of my PX3 manual and everything went just as described. My question is, was I making changes to the KX3 receiver or transmitter or just changes to the PX3? In other words, does making the adjustments on the PX3 as described in the procedure change anything in the KX3? Thanks! Trying to learn! Keith N8CEP From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 11 16:33:44 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Mini Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> References: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005801d1dbb3$85179840$8f46c8c0$@biz> It looks identical to the Anker A7723 keyboard that I've had for a couple of years. Works great. One thing I like that seems the same as the one you referenced is that the main keys are the standard size and spacing. They made is smaller by eliminating the number keypad and compressing the page up/down, etc., keys into four keys in the lower right. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joel Black Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 3:39 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Mini Wireless Keyboard Wondering if anyone has tried this mini wireless keyboard with their PX3: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1737?gclid=Cj0KEQjwh428BRCnvcyI-5nqjY4BEiQAijebws3eF9yt7A1so9Xw44_K2fCnlGD2uOQ6gPBS8FtpPMoaAgfi8P8HAQ Yes, I know there is a list on Elecraft?s website, but it is not all inclusive and does not seem to include many ?mini? wireless keyboards. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From matt at nq6n.com Mon Jul 11 16:42:36 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:42:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] 240V connection advice Message-ID: Hello, I am thinking of connecting my KPA500 to a 240V outlet that is close to the shack that has a NEMA 10-30 receptacle. I'm soliciting advice on how to proceed. As background, I am looking into this because the lights dim a bit when the amp is keyed down. It's a bit distracting and while I don't think the circuit is actually overloaded, it's definitely close to the limit. I was thinking of making a cable by modifying an IEC power cord (with C13 connector) by connecting the two wires to the two hots of a NEMA 10-30 plug, and ignoring the neutral plug AND ignoring the ground wire in the IEC power cord. A few questions about this approach: - Is it the correct way to wire the connectors together? - Is it dangerous in any way? - Is there anything that can be done to reduce/mitigate the danger (if any) other than having an electrician install a currently-up-to-code 240V circuit in the shack? - With respect to safety, assuming it is safe for the KPA500 would it be safe to run other amplifiers that require 240V? How would I determine this? It seems that clothes dryers that are connected via a NEMA 10-30 connector typically have the neutral pin connected to the chassis. Based on my research, the NEMA 10-30 connector was used widely before it was declared not up to code for new installations in 1996. Since many homes were built prior to 1996, I would imagine that others on the reflector might have encountered this sort of issue when dealing with 240V in the shack. Advice appreciated. 73, Matt NQ6N From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Mon Jul 11 16:45:08 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:45:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> This is a nice macro, but it's mostly a patch for a long-standing firmware bug - namely that, on returning to a data sub-mode on any particular band, the IF center frequency and bandwidth have often been changed to something quite inappropriate. This is because the K3 firmware failed to include the center frequency and bandwidth among the data sub-mode parameters that are memorized per-band. As a result, those settings are always being overwritten by the last settings used on some other band - quite possibly for some other, unrelated data sub-mode. Many years have passed since Elecraft acknowledged that this was an oversight... but it never was fixed, so the same problem has propagated into the K3S, and very probably into the KX3 and KX2 as well. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill >Frantz >Sent: 11 July 2016 18:28 >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your >help with useful macros > >There was a bug in my RTTY macro. The latest version is: > >RTTY: MD6;DT1;IS 2210;BW0040 > >Goes to Data mode and then AFSK A. Sets the filter center to >normal (2.21 KHz) and the bandwidth to 400 HZ. > >Old version was: > >>RTTY: MD6;DT1;IS 9000;BW0040 > >73 Bill AE6JV > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle >(408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 >Englewood Ave >www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, >CA 95032 > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 11 16:45:54 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:45:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901d1dbb5$38949480$a9bdbd80$@biz> I have an Anker 2.4G (Model A7723 - but I think it's been discontinued now) that works FB with the P3 (and PX3). That is a real "shack" William! It's clear a real Ham lives there, Hi! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of William Lagerberg Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:13 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard Hi Group, I think there has been told a lot about wireless keyboard an Kpod etc etc. But Is it possible to get a wireless keyboard connected to the P3 somewhere i read that a 2.4 Ghz remote keyboard would work ??? Is there somebody who has experience, I have many apple keyboard but every where i read, they don?t work, i did not even try :-) is the a list of keyboards ?? I am getting stuck in the wire every time ( just google my call) you understand :-) Regards William PE1BSB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 11 16:46:44 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/11/2016 12:58 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose > anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using > one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned > that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float charge. Hi Wes, Where did you learn this? References I can study? I looked and didn't find anything saying that, and that's what I plan to do with the 100Ah battery I just bought. 73, Jim K9YC From fcady at montana.edu Mon Jul 11 16:54:53 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:54:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is the list of keyboards for the PX3. www.elecraft.com/manual/px3_keyboard_list_A3.pdf I'm using a Logictech K360 that works on both the PX3 and P3 with SVGA. cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of William Lagerberg Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 5:12 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wireles keyboard Hi Group, I think there has been told a lot about wireless keyboard an Kpod etc etc. But Is it possible to get a wireless keyboard connected to the P3 somewhere i read that a 2.4 Ghz remote keyboard would work ??? Is there somebody who has experience, I have many apple keyboard but every where i read, they don't work, i did not even try :-) is the a list of keyboards ?? I am getting stuck in the wire every time ( just google my call) you understand :-) Regards William PE1BSB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 17:08:50 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:08:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: <21895B3E-09D5-4B5A-8D87-7EFFDA3BC4A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: John, You can use an UPS for a protracted period. My whole shack is buffered on the one cheap UPS I bought at Staples. I suspect that the size of the battery will only allow for about 10-15 minutes of operating after I lose power. But, it's on continuously. From your description of your situation I would guess there are just a few possibilities, arcing from a power line that is within radio line of sight to your antenna, someone may have an electric fence to control animals, a compressor/air handler controler. or one of your neighbors is doing some arc welding. You can eliminate atmospheric noise if it is steady and doesn't vary like lightning crashes; this time of the year there is a lot of atmospheric noise, but it bounces around in amplitude. If you have a 2 meter rig that can tune down in the aircraft frequencies, tune it to a dead spot between 113-136 MHz. You will be in AM mode. Turn off the squelch and ride around and see if you can find the source of some noise. It could be a few miles away from your antenna depending on how high your antenna is. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "John Stengrevics" To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 7/11/2016 3:38:52 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S >Thanks to all for the comments. > >Not being familiar with these things, I thought the UPS could be use >for a protracted period of time. > >Jim - I?ve been through the exercise of turning off every breaker in >the house except the one that supplies power to the shack. I then >unplugged everything in the shack except the K3S and rotor control box >and turned off the lights. I still had the noise. > >Bonding didn?t do anything - I only have the K3S, speaker and a rotor >control box. > >I?ve got ferrites out the gazoo! > >I live in an area with 2-acre zoning and no commercial establishment >wishing a couple of miles. > >So, I?m at a loss. Maybe atmospheric noise? > >John >WA1EAZ > > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Jim Brown >>wrote: >> >> On Mon,7/11/2016 11:36 AM, stengrevics wrote: >>> To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an >>> uninterruptible power supply (UPS). >> >> >> Bad idea, for several reasons. First, power line noise is created by >>a defective component in the power system arcing, and radiated by >>power wiring close to the where the arc occurs. This radiated noise is >>like any other RF signal -- it propagates, and our antennas receive >>it. It is VERY unlikely to be conducted into our equipment via our own >>power wiring. >> >> Second, UPS units are often noise sources themselves. >> >> Third, how do you know that what you hear is power line noise? Much >>of the noise we hear in our radios is created by electronic equipment >>of all sorts. >> >> Study http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 11 17:12:48 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:12:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] 240V connection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon,7/11/2016 1:42 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > I was thinking of making a cable by modifying an IEC power cord (with C13 > connector) by connecting the two wires to the two hots of a NEMA 10-30 > plug, and ignoring the neutral plug AND ignoring the ground wire in the IEC > power cord. Hi Matt, Good engineering practice as well as all building codes in NA require that two hots be used to power 240V equipment, and that a green wire be run with the two hot conductors and bonded to the equipment enclosure. It is both illegal and very bad practice to use neutral as a ground, or to bond neutral to ground anywhere but the main entry panel. I suspect that outlet you have is for an old laundry appliance. If you can get at the wiring to re-run it, you should pull in a new run to replace the old one. You should NOT use that outlet without that green wire run from the panel with the "hot" (phase) conductors. What WOULD be safe is to rewire the existing wiring on both ends so that the wire currently connected to neutral in the panel is moved to the ground bus in the panel, the existing outlet replaced with a 240V outlet, and that former neutral, now used as the green wire, is connected to the round "ground" pin in the new outlet. And to satisfy code, put a piece of green electrical tape on that green wire on both ends to identify it. If the circuit is protected by a pair of 20A breakers and the conductor size is #12 or larger, I suggest that you use a 20A outlet, which allows you to connect both 15A and 20A plugs. 73, Jim K9YC From grfinn at earthlink.net Mon Jul 11 17:14:31 2016 From: grfinn at earthlink.net (Gerald Finn) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:14:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S Message-ID: In response to Stengrevics : To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an uninterruptible power supply (UPS).? Does anyone have any experience doing this?? If so, what UPS specifications are appropriate to handle the K3S? For my Elecraft K3S/P3 I am using an Astron RS35M power supply which feeds a West Mountain DC-to-Go with attached Radio Power Gate PG40S and RigRunner 4007U. My battery is a 79 amp hour AGM. I live on an island and at stormy times of the year, we experience power losses and multiple short hits. This combination has been quite satisfactory. From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 11 17:17:44 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:17:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Mini Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: <8c934fe0-94b7-e24f-8c57-b8c34232dc3b@embarqmail.com> References: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> <1468247821907-7619934.post@n2.nabble.com> <8c934fe0-94b7-e24f-8c57-b8c34232dc3b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <006001d1dbb9$aae98b40$00bca1c0$@biz> I doubt if anything in PE1BSB's shack is more than 10 feet from anything else, but take a look and you'll see what he means by getting stuck in wires! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 7:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PX3] Mini Wireless Keyboard I personally don't have a problem with USB wired keyboards. Since the keyboard will be located close to the P3/PX3, the cord is not a problem for me. It goes straight back from the keyboard and is routed to the back of the P3, so it is not in the way of anything on the desk. I do use a wireless keyboard and mouse on my media computer, but that is because the computer is located more than 10 feet away from where I want to operate the keyboard and mouse. The list of wired USB keyboards that work is greater than the list of wireless. 73, Don W3FPR From Mike.Carter at unh.edu Mon Jul 11 17:18:46 2016 From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:18:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S (power line arc noise) In-Reply-To: <21895B3E-09D5-4B5A-8D87-7EFFDA3BC4A7@comcast.net> References: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> <21895B3E-09D5-4B5A-8D87-7EFFDA3BC4A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1468271926097-7619959.post@n2.nabble.com> John, Power line arc noise can happen anywhere, even in a semi-rural area like your neighborhood (I used to live in Acton MA). There are many web resources for learning how to identify and track down power line arc sources. Here are some things I've learned by hard experience. A good, though not infallible, indication of a power line arc source for your noise is to check the bands during or shortly after a rain storm. Most arc sources are quenched temporarily by rain if they're exposed to the elements. When I first began tracking down noise sources at my QTH several years ago, I found that keeping a log of baseline noise levels (using the S-meter indication with the K3 in AM mode, widest filter you have) on all bands versus time of day and weather conditions was helpful in establishing any correlation with precipitation or neighbors' activities. I would also add comments about the qualitative audio signature of the noise ("buzz", "raspy", "intermittent buzz" - you get the idea). Simple preliminary source location techniques (once you've eliminated anything in your own home or yard) include using the AM radio in your car on a careful drive around your neighborhood to find candidate sources. This is not particularly selective - you'll hear other interferers in addition to true arc sources, and you'll want to tune to an unoccupied AM channel - I use channels high in the AM broadcast band. My preferred method once I've identified some candidate arc source sites is to use an inexpensive handheld VHF/UHF scanner with a rubber-duck antenna and a switchable attenuator. You don't need a fancy lab-grade attenuator - I find that a home-made 6 dB or 20 dB fixed resistor attenuator (50 ohm, shielded box) is sufficient. I tune the scanner to an open channel in the aircraft band (around 135 MHz; it automatically switches to AM detection in that band, which is necessary to do direction-finding based on signal strength - FM detection won't work), and walk around the suspect site. Turn off the squelch completely and set the audio gain at a fixed, comfortable listening level (I use open-ear headphones for safety as I walk on roads). I hold the rubber-duck antenna in the horizontal orientation and sweep it in an arc to either side of my body. The rubber-duck has a pattern null off the ends, and the reduction in audible noise is very evident if you're close to the arc source. You can resolve the 180 degree direction ambiguity of the null by using your body as an additional shielding attenuator - the difference in audio levels is your clue as to which null direction is the true one. You will find that you'll need to insert one of the fixed attenuators between the rubber-duck and the scanner antenna port if you're very close to the arc source - otherwise it will be difficult to perceive a null. I've used this technique successfully to locate multiple arc sources in my own neighborhood over the past few years. The one drawback is that one cannot hear the arc noise at VHF if one is more than a couple hundred yards from the arc source unless you use a small handheld Yagi antenna. It's easy to make a 3 element Yagi for VHF - there are several simple, inexpensive designs out there to be found. As Jim, K9YC will likely point out, you may also be hearing switch-mode power converters that have a much different noise signature than arc noise. If you can borrow a P3 panadapter from a nearby friend, it is an excellent tool for distinguishing types of noise. There are many other RF noise emitters - look at the archives of the Elecraft forum for some examples - the list of offending devices is too long to include here. One can, of course, purchase commercial DF'ing units that offer more features. However, you may already have the basic DF'ing tools in hand, or you may borrow them from a local ham until you find that you have a recurring need for this set of tools. It's likely that your local electric utility has a person trained in finding arc noise sources, but they love it when you can identify the specific pole on which you have found the likely source! 73, Mike, K8CN Durham NH -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Uninterruptible-Power-Supply-for-K3S-tp7619939p7619959.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 11 17:21:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] quick question about antennas In-Reply-To: References: <908c235b-0969-7da8-67eb-54a7bb8b485e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <664f8149-6463-1e8f-d33f-7b7525bc289a@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/11/2016 2:07 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > I am guessing that installing a grounded 240V receptacle and using the > conduit as ground is *not* up to code. It depends on the building code used by local jurisdiction. In many jurisdictions, it IS legal to use conduit as the green wire IF it is continuous and all the connections are made properly. As I recall, it's legal in Chicago, where steel conduit is used for almost everything, in large part to keep union electricians working. In other jurisdictions, or if the conduit is not properly bonded for the entire length, a dedicated green wire must be run. > If it were, then perhaps I could install a NEMA 6-30 receptacle (which > has a ground pin and two hots). I don't know connectors by number, but what I would install is a standard outlet with two hots and ground that is slightly larger than an ordinary 120V outlet. Or even two outlets in the same steel backbox, like a 120V duplex. 73, Jim K9YC From radioham at mchsi.com Mon Jul 11 17:22:08 2016 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:22:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: References: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0ec4200c-59be-f778-9936-5f52b056a364@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: It says balun connector. Does that mean it is like the old F to twin lead connectors that had a balun internally. If so I don?t think it would do what you want it to. David K0LUM > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Szab? Istv?n wrote: > > Could these BNC adapters be used for it? No additional weight, no more space required. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/381429029110 > > > 73, Istv?n, HA4ZD > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radioham at mchsi.com From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Mon Jul 11 17:26:45 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:26:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <88eefd76-57bf-dd87-78a0-f517709354dc@roadrunner.com> I'd like to know the source of this as well. My shack power is 100W of Siemens PV on the roof, a 10A charge controller diode-ORed with a Samlex 1235 set to 13.62V. The output charges a 75AH Optima battery, which powers the equipment 24/7. I've never had any trouble with it in the four years I've used it. 73, matt W6NIA On 7/11/2016 1:46 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/11/2016 12:58 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose >> anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using >> one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned >> that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float >> charge. > > Hi Wes, > > Where did you learn this? References I can study? I looked and didn't > find anything saying that, and that's what I plan to do with the 100Ah > battery I just bought. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From mveeneman at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 16:49:03 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:49:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Message-ID: Actually you can charge and operate at the same time. Basic charge voltage is 13.2 and finishing voltage is 14.6 volts. I've never had a problem with any Elecraft (or other) ham gear at either voltage. Float charge would work just fine but I wouldn't make a habit of it. The control modules wired between cells need 14.6 volts (for 4S configurations) to trigger their cell balancing ability. Lead acid cells balance automatically when in series. LiFePO4 cells do not. But beware the charger RFI. The 10 amp chargers from BioennoPower are strong generators and I can't use them in the shack to recharge either the battery in use or any other battery while I'm on 80 meter CW. I'm testing some alternative high amp chargers and have found at least one that is RFI quiet. I'll be testing a second, less expensive, alternative this week. -- Marc > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float charge. > >> On 7/11/2016 5:44 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Thanks again, Jim for linking to this vendor. Just ordered the 12 >> Amp/Hr battery they had on promotion with charger to 1) try them out, >> and 2) to power the K3s/P3 while RFI, et al hunting with all or most of >> the shack service shut down. >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >>> On 6/30/2016 11:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> This sale offers good discounts on some fine backpacking products from >>> a ham-friendly company. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Jul 11 17:36:58 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:36:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Portable Ant In-Reply-To: References: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157f4da5-aa65-5b82-cfe5-92c14c1528b3@n7xy.net> Has anyone compared the MFJ-1899T (multiband with tapped coil) to the single band antennas? I realize that none of these will compare with a good fixed antenna but are they all equally bad? Bob, N7XY KX2 #385 On 7/11/16 12:21 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > The MFJ-18XX series is probably what that was. XX is replaced by your band of choice. The whips are base loaded, and only work on one band. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> For walking one of the MFJ whips seems a reasonable choice. Wayne did some posts on that a month or two ago. >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 7/11/16 6:37 AM, Robert Reiman wrote: >>> What portable or walk about Antenna could I use with my KX2? 72's Bob Kb9ivaKb9iva at sbcglobal.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From matt at nq6n.com Mon Jul 11 17:43:19 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] quick question about antennas In-Reply-To: <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <908c235b-0969-7da8-67eb-54a7bb8b485e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <664f8149-6463-1e8f-d33f-7b7525bc289a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim -- Ahh, I think that would work. If the conduit works as ground (which I think it does here) I could use the kind pictured in the link below, and wire up a the power cable using the two hots and ground as you recommend: http://waterheatertimer.org/images/240-Volt-outlet4-253.jpg 73, Matt NQ6N On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/11/2016 2:07 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > >> I am guessing that installing a grounded 240V receptacle and using the >> conduit as ground is *not* up to code. >> > > It depends on the building code used by local jurisdiction. In many > jurisdictions, it IS legal to use conduit as the green wire IF it is > continuous and all the connections are made properly. As I recall, it's > legal in Chicago, where steel conduit is used for almost everything, in > large part to keep union electricians working. > > In other jurisdictions, or if the conduit is not properly bonded for the > entire length, a dedicated green wire must be run. > > If it were, then perhaps I could install a NEMA 6-30 receptacle (which has >> a ground pin and two hots). >> > > I don't know connectors by number, but what I would install is a standard > outlet with two hots and ground that is slightly larger than an ordinary > 120V outlet. Or even two outlets in the same steel backbox, like a 120V > duplex. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From jstengrevics at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 17:43:57 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:43:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S (power line arc noise) In-Reply-To: <1468271926097-7619959.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> <21895B3E-09D5-4B5A-8D87-7EFFDA3BC4A7@comcast.net> <1468271926097-7619959.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1F1BCADF-99BE-419B-AA5E-E6218A663B31@comcast.net> Thanks to all for your very helpful comments & suggestions. John WA1EAZ > On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Mike K8CN wrote: > > John, > > Power line arc noise can happen anywhere, even in a semi-rural area like > your neighborhood (I used to live in Acton MA). There are many web > resources for learning how to identify and track down power line arc > sources. Here are some things I've learned by hard experience. > > A good, though not infallible, indication of a power line arc source for > your noise is to check the bands during or shortly after a rain storm. Most > arc sources are quenched temporarily by rain if they're exposed to the > elements. When I first began tracking down noise sources at my QTH several > years ago, I found that keeping a log of baseline noise levels (using the > S-meter indication with the K3 in AM mode, widest filter you have) on all > bands versus time of day and weather conditions was helpful in establishing > any correlation with precipitation or neighbors' activities. I would also > add comments about the qualitative audio signature of the noise ("buzz", > "raspy", "intermittent buzz" - you get the idea). > > Simple preliminary source location techniques (once you've eliminated > anything in your own home or yard) include using the AM radio in your car on > a careful drive around your neighborhood to find candidate sources. This is > not particularly selective - you'll hear other interferers in addition to > true arc sources, and you'll want to tune to an unoccupied AM channel - I > use channels high in the AM broadcast band. > > My preferred method once I've identified some candidate arc source sites is > to use an inexpensive handheld VHF/UHF scanner with a rubber-duck antenna > and a switchable attenuator. You don't need a fancy lab-grade attenuator - > I find that a home-made 6 dB or 20 dB fixed resistor attenuator (50 ohm, > shielded box) is sufficient. I tune the scanner to an open channel in the > aircraft band (around 135 MHz; it automatically switches to AM detection in > that band, which is necessary to do direction-finding based on signal > strength - FM detection won't work), and walk around the suspect site. Turn > off the squelch completely and set the audio gain at a fixed, comfortable > listening level (I use open-ear headphones for safety as I walk on roads). > > I hold the rubber-duck antenna in the horizontal orientation and sweep it in > an arc to either side of my body. The rubber-duck has a pattern null off > the ends, and the reduction in audible noise is very evident if you're close > to the arc source. You can resolve the 180 degree direction ambiguity of > the null by using your body as an additional shielding attenuator - the > difference in audio levels is your clue as to which null direction is the > true one. You will find that you'll need to insert one of the fixed > attenuators between the rubber-duck and the scanner antenna port if you're > very close to the arc source - otherwise it will be difficult to perceive a > null. I've used this technique successfully to locate multiple arc sources > in my own neighborhood over the past few years. The one drawback is that one > cannot hear the arc noise at VHF if one is more than a couple hundred yards > from the arc source unless you use a small handheld Yagi antenna. It's easy > to make a 3 element Yagi for VHF - there are several simple, inexpensive > designs out there to be found. > > As Jim, K9YC will likely point out, you may also be hearing switch-mode > power converters that have a much different noise signature than arc noise. > If you can borrow a P3 panadapter from a nearby friend, it is an excellent > tool for distinguishing types of noise. There are many other RF noise > emitters - look at the archives of the Elecraft forum for some examples - > the list of offending devices is too long to include here. > > One can, of course, purchase commercial DF'ing units that offer more > features. However, you may already have the basic DF'ing tools in hand, or > you may borrow them from a local ham until you find that you have a > recurring need for this set of tools. > > It's likely that your local electric utility has a person trained in finding > arc noise sources, but they love it when you can identify the specific pole > on which you have found the likely source! > > 73, > Mike, K8CN > Durham NH > > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Uninterruptible-Power-Supply-for-K3S-tp7619939p7619959.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 11 17:55:18 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:55:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <4d80a7bb-c488-f0f4-bf27-fda446153ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/11/2016 1:49 PM, Marc Veeneman via Elecraft wrote: > But beware the charger RFI. The 10 amp chargers from BioennoPower are strong generators and I can't use them in the shack to recharge either the battery in use or any other battery while I'm on 80 meter CW. Thanks for all of your input, Marc. Be sure to tell BioennoPower that the charger they sold you is unacceptable, and return it for credit. I've already told them it's a problem that they must solve if they are to be successful in the ham marketplace, but they should hear it from other customers. When I asked, they told me that the chargers they sell are noisy, so I didn't buy one. They told me that one of their dealers out east had recommended using the PowerGate jumpered for AGM batteries with a linear supply adjusted to provide the charging current, and that they would consider that an in-warranty setup. I'm currently doing that with a 100Ah battery I just bought, but I'm not thrilled with it. The difference between 12V and 14.2 volts doesn't matter for ham gear except that higher voltage reduces IMD in the K3 output stage at full power output. 73, Jim K9YC From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jul 11 18:08:41 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:08:41 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3-KX3 sideband null procedure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not a dumb question at all Keith. The adjustment you did just did only affects the PX3 not the KX3. It affects what the PX3 displays only, not what your KX3 hears. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 11 Jul 2016, at 21:31, Keith Hamilton wrote: > > Sorry if this is a dumb question. > > I went through the sideband null procedure from page 31 of my PX3 > manual and everything went just as described. > > My question is, was I making changes to the KX3 receiver or transmitter > or just changes to the PX3? In other words, does making the adjustments > on the PX3 as described in the procedure change anything in the KX3? > > Thanks! Trying to learn! > > Keith N8CEP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From mveeneman at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 16:49:03 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:49:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Message-ID: Actually you can charge and operate at the same time. Basic charge voltage is 13.2 and finishing voltage is 14.6 volts. I've never had a problem with any Elecraft (or other) ham gear at either voltage. Float charge would work just fine but I wouldn't make a habit of it. The control modules wired between cells need 14.6 volts (for 4S configurations) to trigger their cell balancing ability. Lead acid cells balance automatically when in series. LiFePO4 cells do not. But beware the charger RFI. The 10 amp chargers from BioennoPower are strong generators and I can't use them in the shack to recharge either the battery in use or any other battery while I'm on 80 meter CW. I'm testing some alternative high amp chargers and have found at least one that is RFI quiet. I'll be testing a second, less expensive, alternative this week. -- Marc > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float charge. > >> On 7/11/2016 5:44 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Thanks again, Jim for linking to this vendor. Just ordered the 12 >> Amp/Hr battery they had on promotion with charger to 1) try them out, >> and 2) to power the K3s/P3 while RFI, et al hunting with all or most of >> the shack service shut down. >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >>> On 6/30/2016 11:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> This sale offers good discounts on some fine backpacking products from >>> a ham-friendly company. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 11 18:16:45 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:16:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Power Connectors In-Reply-To: References: <908c235b-0969-7da8-67eb-54a7bb8b485e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <664f8149-6463-1e8f-d33f-7b7525bc289a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5e098612-faf2-34ab-84f4-2f788f32a2e1@audiosystemsgroup.com> Assuming you have 20A breakers and #12 or larger copper, you want NEMA 6-20. See this link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector 73, Jim On Mon,7/11/2016 2:43 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > Jim -- > > Ahh, I think that would work. If the conduit works as ground (which I > think it does here) I could use the kind pictured in the link below, > and wire up a the power cable using the two hots and ground as you > recommend: > > http://waterheatertimer.org/images/240-Volt-outlet4-253.jpg > > 73, > Matt NQ6N > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > > On Mon,7/11/2016 2:07 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > > I am guessing that installing a grounded 240V receptacle and > using the conduit as ground is *not* up to code. > > > It depends on the building code used by local jurisdiction. In > many jurisdictions, it IS legal to use conduit as the green wire > IF it is continuous and all the connections are made properly. As > I recall, it's legal in Chicago, where steel conduit is used for > almost everything, in large part to keep union electricians working. > > In other jurisdictions, or if the conduit is not properly bonded > for the entire length, a dedicated green wire must be run. > > If it were, then perhaps I could install a NEMA 6-30 > receptacle (which has a ground pin and two hots). > > > I don't know connectors by number, but what I would install is a > standard outlet with two hots and ground that is slightly larger > than an ordinary 120V outlet. Or even two outlets in the same > steel backbox, like a 120V duplex. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 11 18:37:03 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: From Kevin at Bioenno Power: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <077fd583-48eb-8461-3409-65aebf66223e@triconet.org> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: From Kevin at Bioenno Power: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:41:24 -0700 From: Kevin Zanjani To: wes_n7ws at triconet.org Hi Wes, Once the charge is complete, you will want to disconnect the charger from the battery itself, and then repeat the cycle later. -Kevin ---------------- Kevin, I'm still confused. I realize that the battery needs to be full charged before initially connecting the load. But once the charge is complete can the charger remain connected while the battery is supplying load current or must the charger be disconnected, only to repeat the cycle later. Wes On 7/11/2016 10:17 AM, Bioenno Power wrote: > Hi Wes, > The battery should be charged up first, before first use. Then afterwords, > after the battery is completely charged, then it is used with the load. > -Kevin > On 7/11/2016 10:02 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Can a LifePO4, BLF-1212WS for example, be charged (using your charger) while >> under load? >> > > > From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Jul 11 18:41:44 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:41:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <744e9363-7854-4c36-6b93-6d5396791c22@n7xy.net> I also live on an island and we too have several outages a year (which can last from seconds to days). Most are caused by branches blown down by wind, hitting and breaking the power lines (it is slowly getting better as Puget Sound Energy has proactively been trimming trees before they break). I have four UPS devices in various parts of my house. The shack and my home computers and DVRs are connected to 1000VA TrippLite UPSs I bought at Costco several years ago and these also protect against surges. I don't try to operate an amp when the power goes out, but have run 100 watt radios barefoot for several minutes. The batteries in my systems probably need replacing and when I do that I will try to silence the darn beep that they make (I can tell when there is an outage without hearing that noise). I will also look into setting up a 12V system like you described. 73, Bob, N7XY On 7/11/16 2:14 PM, Gerald Finn wrote: > In response to Stengrevics : To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an > uninterruptible power supply (UPS).? Does anyone have any experience doing > this?? If so, what UPS specifications are appropriate to handle the K3S? > > For my Elecraft K3S/P3 I am using an Astron RS35M power supply which feeds a West Mountain DC-to-Go with attached Radio Power Gate PG40S and RigRunner 4007U. My battery is a 79 amp hour AGM. I live on an island and at stormy times of the year, we experience power losses and multiple short hits. This combination has been quite satisfactory. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 18:58:11 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] quick question about antennas In-Reply-To: <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <908c235b-0969-7da8-67eb-54a7bb8b485e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <664f8149-6463-1e8f-d33f-7b7525bc289a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1018457008.2170980.1468277891261.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The alternative on a standard duplex box is where the "blades" are at right angles to the normal outlet..? Therefore never allowing a misconnection. Mel, K6KBE From: Jim Brown To: Reflector Elecraft Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] quick question about antennas On Mon,7/11/2016 2:07 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > I am guessing that installing a grounded 240V receptacle and using the > conduit as ground is *not* up to code. It depends on the building code used by local jurisdiction. In many jurisdictions, it IS legal to use conduit as the green wire IF it is continuous and all the connections are made properly. As I recall, it's legal in Chicago, where steel conduit is used for almost everything, in large part to keep union electricians working. In other jurisdictions, or if the conduit is not properly bonded for the entire length, a dedicated green wire must be run. > If it were, then perhaps I could install a NEMA 6-30 receptacle (which > has a ground pin and two hots). I don't know connectors by number, but what I would install is a standard outlet with two hots and ground that is slightly larger than an ordinary 120V outlet.? Or even two outlets in the same steel backbox, like a 120V duplex. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Jul 11 18:58:46 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:58:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] 240V connection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ummm, not exactly following your description but ... NA electrical codes require the two phase conductors [240V between them], after passing through the breaker(s), to go directly to the equipment. The center-tap of your distribution transformer secondary [neutral] is bonded to earth ground at your service entrance. The earth ground becomes the "green wire" [it may be uninsulated and thus the "copper" wire] and should be bonded to the enclosure of the equipment. It's the safety ground and that's all that should power a 240V equipment. Ugly things can happen if the neutral gets involved or used as a ground. If that's what you're describing, exactly, it's probably good. How long a run from the outlet to the KPA500? I'd also make sure the outlet is wired properly. If it's an old dryer plug, an electrician with a license might be in order. For 120V, the neutral forms one side of the circuit, however the safety ground [green wire] still should be bonded to the equipment enclosure. Under no circumstances should you connect the green wire to the neutral ANYWHERE but the bond in your service entrance. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 7/11/2016 1:42 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > Hello, I am thinking of connecting my KPA500 to a 240V outlet that is close > to the shack that has a NEMA 10-30 receptacle. I'm soliciting advice on > how to proceed. > > As background, I am looking into this because the lights dim a bit when the > amp is keyed down. It's a bit distracting and while I don't think the > circuit is actually overloaded, it's definitely close to the limit. > > I was thinking of making a cable by modifying an IEC power cord (with C13 > connector) by connecting the two wires to the two hots of a NEMA 10-30 > plug, and ignoring the neutral plug AND ignoring the ground wire in the IEC > power cord. > > A few questions about this approach: > > - Is it the correct way to wire the connectors together? > > - Is it dangerous in any way? > > - Is there anything that can be done to reduce/mitigate the danger (if any) > other than having an electrician install a currently-up-to-code 240V > circuit in the shack? > > - With respect to safety, assuming it is safe for the KPA500 would it be > safe to run other amplifiers that require 240V? How would I determine > this? It seems that clothes dryers that are connected via a NEMA 10-30 > connector typically have the neutral pin connected to the chassis. > > Based on my research, the NEMA 10-30 connector was used widely before it > was declared not up to code for new installations in 1996. Since many homes > were built prior to 1996, I would imagine that others on the reflector > might have encountered this sort of issue when dealing with 240V in the > shack. > > Advice appreciated. > > 73, > Matt NQ6N From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Jul 11 19:12:39 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:12:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> Message-ID: I hadn't thought of that use for the macro. I was thinking of when I'm tuning the band, probably in CW or SSB mode, and come across a signal that looks like it is RTTY. This macro makes it easy to set up to decode the RTTY. The complementary PSK macro does the same for PSK and the other DATA A encoding modes. PSK MD6;DT0;PC035;AG000;IS 1450;BW0230 Go to Data mode and then Data A. Set output to 35 watts. Turn audio gain to zero. Set filter center to 1.450 KHz and bandwidth to 2.300 KHz This macro sets up for computer PSK, MFSK etc. modes and opens up the filter so the whole waterfall can show signal in the computer decoding program. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/11/16 at 1:45 PM, gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) wrote: >This is a nice macro, but it's mostly a patch for a long-standing >firmware bug - namely that, on returning to a data sub-mode on any >particular band, the IF center frequency and bandwidth have often been >changed to something quite inappropriate. > >This is because the K3 firmware failed to include the center frequency >and bandwidth among the data sub-mode parameters that are memorized >per-band. As a result, those settings are always being overwritten by >the last settings used on some other band - quite possibly for some >other, unrelated data sub-mode. > >Many years have passed since Elecraft acknowledged that this was an >oversight... but it never was fixed, so the same problem has propagated >into the K3S, and very probably into the KX3 and KX2 as well. > > >73 from Ian GM3SEK > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Bill >>Frantz >>Sent: 11 July 2016 18:28 >>To: Elecraft Reflector >>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use >your >>help with useful macros >> >>There was a bug in my RTTY macro. The latest version is: >> >>RTTY: MD6;DT1;IS 2210;BW0040 >> >>Goes to Data mode and then AFSK A. Sets the filter center to >>normal (2.21 KHz) and the bandwidth to 400 HZ. >> >>Old version was: >> >>>RTTY: MD6;DT1;IS 9000;BW0040 >> >>73 Bill AE6JV >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle >>(408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 >>Englewood Ave >>www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, >>CA 95032 >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to frantz at pwpconsult.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Jul 11 19:12:58 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:12:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <9BD5FE8A-0D28-4C97-A4C9-13590D5633A2@wunderwood.org> The KXPA100 is rated to produce 100W at 13.8V or more. I?ve heard reports of lower power at lower voltages. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 11, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Marc Veeneman via Elecraft wrote: > > Actually you can charge and operate at the same time. Basic charge voltage is 13.2 and finishing voltage is 14.6 volts. I've never had a problem with any Elecraft (or other) ham gear at either voltage. > > Float charge would work just fine but I wouldn't make a habit of it. The control modules wired between cells need 14.6 volts (for 4S configurations) to trigger their cell balancing ability. Lead acid cells balance automatically when in series. LiFePO4 cells do not. > > But beware the charger RFI. The 10 amp chargers from BioennoPower are strong generators and I can't use them in the shack to recharge either the battery in use or any other battery while I'm on 80 meter CW. > > I'm testing some alternative high amp chargers and have found at least one that is RFI quiet. I'll be testing a second, less expensive, alternative this week. > -- > Marc > > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float charge. >> >>> On 7/11/2016 5:44 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >>> Thanks again, Jim for linking to this vendor. Just ordered the 12 >>> Amp/Hr battery they had on promotion with charger to 1) try them out, >>> and 2) to power the K3s/P3 while RFI, et al hunting with all or most of >>> the shack service shut down. >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>> MONTAC Enterprises >>> (318) 518-1389 >>> >>>> On 6/30/2016 11:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>> This sale offers good discounts on some fine backpacking products from >>>> a ham-friendly company. >>>> >>>> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Jul 11 19:12:33 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:12:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] quick question about antennas In-Reply-To: <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: When I wired an addition to our house some 40 or so years ago, one of my circuits from the service box started in Romex, converted to steel conduit, and then back to Romex. Since the grounding connections were properly bonded to each other, the building inspector in Los Gatos, CA approved it. The principle reason for the grounding conductor (green wire) is to cause the circuit breaker to open if one of the hot wires shorts to the case of the electrical equipment. If the case just floated, it would be a shock hazard for anyone who touched it and also touched something that was grounded. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/11/16 at 2:21 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >It depends on the building code used by local jurisdiction. In >many jurisdictions, it IS legal to use conduit as the green >wire IF it is continuous and all the connections are made >properly. As I recall, it's legal in Chicago, where steel >conduit is used for almost everything, in large part to keep >union electricians working. > >In other jurisdictions, or if the conduit is not properly >bonded for the entire length, a dedicated green wire must be run. -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From ppauly at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 20:28:12 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:28:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> References: <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> Message-ID: This is one of the few things that annoys me about my K3S. I work a lot of digital modes and switching back and forth between CW, SSB and Data is a pain because of this. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Ian White wrote: > This is a nice macro, but it's mostly a patch for a long-standing > firmware bug - namely that, on returning to a data sub-mode on any > particular band, the IF center frequency and bandwidth have often been > changed to something quite inappropriate. > > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Jul 11 20:42:02 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPDX2 has arrived! In-Reply-To: <00b301d1dbb0$edb3ddd0$c91b9970$@gamewood.net> References: <00b301d1dbb0$edb3ddd0$c91b9970$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: Hi Ken, Thanks for the early report. Let us know how it works out. We worked really hard on the KXPD2's feel, as well as its field-adjustment capability. Since only one hex wrench is needed to adjust the contacts, we simply stored it right on the paddle. (Bruce, N7RR, gets a lot of credit for motivating us on this point :) 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 11, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Ken Talbott wrote: > Looks and feels good right out of the package. More to follow after some > use. But they are in the mail! > > Ken - ke4rg > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jim at n7us.net Mon Jul 11 20:44:50 2016 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:44:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: References: <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> Message-ID: <00db01d1dbd6$99b97ed0$cd2c7c70$@n7us.net> I originally missed band stacking registers that I was used to before I got my K3 in 2009, but I use work-arounds. Two options: 1) Use the MEM 0-9 set to BAND SEL. Then use the K3 Frequency Memory Editor program to load memories for memories 0-9 and each band. For instance, I have the numeric keypad set: 1 160M 2 80M 3 40M 4 20M 5 15M 6 10M 7 30M 8 17M 9 12M 0 6M Then, for each band M1 is set to a CW frequency, M2 is set to a RTTY frequency, M3 is SSB, and M4 is JT65. I'm used to it so I press M->V 4 to go to (the last frequency on) 20M. Then I press M->V M2 if I want to go to the RTTY frequency (with AGC, DATA MD, bandwidth settings, etc.) on 20M I have programmed into that memory. 2) Much easier is to use a program like DXLab with its Commander rig control module that includes 100 memories including mode, etc. Clicking on a cluster spot will QSY the radio and set the mode properly too. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- This is one of the few things that annoys me about my K3S. I work a lot of digital modes and switching back and forth between CW, SSB and Data is a pain because of this. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Ian White wrote: > This is a nice macro, but it's mostly a patch for a long-standing > firmware bug - namely that, on returning to a data sub-mode on any > particular band, the IF center frequency and bandwidth have often been > changed to something quite inappropriate. > From ekacura at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 20:50:20 2016 From: ekacura at yahoo.com (Edward Kacura) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:50:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPDX2 has arrived! In-Reply-To: <00b301d1dbb0$edb3ddd0$c91b9970$@gamewood.net> References: <00b301d1dbb0$edb3ddd0$c91b9970$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <2DB936E7-00DF-446C-9E2C-20E27420C5F4@yahoo.com> I got mine Saturday, love the feel, made a few adjustments and it just sings along beautifully. So much nicer than the KPDX3.... Thanks again to the crew at Elecraft, great job !! 73 de Ed N7EDK Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2016, at 16:15, Ken Talbott wrote: > > Looks and feels good right out of the package. More to follow after some > use. But they are in the mail! > > Ken - ke4rg > > From jim at n7us.net Mon Jul 11 20:51:37 2016 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:51:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, we could use your help with useful macros In-Reply-To: <00db01d1dbd6$99b97ed0$cd2c7c70$@n7us.net> References: <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> <00db01d1dbd6$99b97ed0$cd2c7c70$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <00e001d1dbd7$8bd68b40$a383a1c0$@n7us.net> This is explained better in KE7X's book, specifically the Memories section. The Frequency Memory Editor program makes it easy to load the K3's memories. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I originally missed band stacking registers that I was used to before I got my K3 in 2009, but I use work-arounds. Two options: 1) Use the MEM 0-9 set to BAND SEL. Then use the K3 Frequency Memory Editor program to load memories for memories 0-9 and each band. For instance, I have the numeric keypad set: 1 160M 2 80M 3 40M 4 20M 5 15M 6 10M 7 30M 8 17M 9 12M 0 6M Then, for each band M1 is set to a CW frequency, M2 is set to a RTTY frequency, M3 is SSB, and M4 is JT65. I'm used to it so I press M->V 4 to go to (the last frequency on) 20M. Then I press M->V M2 if I want to go to the RTTY frequency (with AGC, DATA MD, bandwidth settings, etc.) on 20M I have programmed into that memory. 2) Much easier is to use a program like DXLab with its Commander rig control module that includes 100 memories including mode, etc. Clicking on a cluster spot will QSY the radio and set the mode properly too. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- This is one of the few things that annoys me about my K3S. I work a lot of digital modes and switching back and forth between CW, SSB and Data is a pain because of this. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Ian White wrote: > This is a nice macro, but it's mostly a patch for a long-standing > firmware bug - namely that, on returning to a data sub-mode on any > particular band, the IF center frequency and bandwidth have often been > changed to something quite inappropriate. From lmarion at mt.net Mon Jul 11 20:55:18 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:55:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 ARRIVED Message-ID: KXPD2 came today and it works great right out of the box. Man, the KX2 is a super fun rig. It is in time to show it off at the Glacier/Waterton hamfest this coming weekend. No KPOD yet though. Leroy AB7CE From n7tb at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 21:21:51 2016 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:21:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Hello all, I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On the tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam and tower date from the time I became a ham. I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. My home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be about 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S with the tower on the west side of the house. I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two questions: 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna on 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be the direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of installation. A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have been spoiled with that setup over the years. Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. suspended from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the NE corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same thing for my new QTH. I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. Thanks in advance to you all. 73's, Terry Brown, N7TB From len at ka7ftp.com Mon Jul 11 21:55:53 2016 From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:55:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Pyle PHA40 Headphone Amp Message-ID: <013601d1dbe0$861d00e0$925702a0$@ka7ftp.com> I bought a pyle PHA40 headphone amp. It appears to be close in size and specs to the Behringer HA400. It powers off the same type of cable used by the KX2/KX3, same voltage and polarity. I paid 16.60 for mine on Amazon. I connected it to my KX3 and the audio quality sounds good. I didn't detect any extra noise introduced by the amp. 73 Len From Hamshack at N4ST.com Mon Jul 11 23:19:08 2016 From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:19:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S (power line arc noise) In-Reply-To: <1F1BCADF-99BE-419B-AA5E-E6218A663B31@comcast.net> References: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> <21895B3E-09D5-4B5A-8D87-7EFFDA3BC4A7@comcast.net> <1468271926097-7619959.post@n2.nabble.com> <1F1BCADF-99BE-419B-AA5E-E6218A663B31@comcast.net> Message-ID: <04cc01d1dbec$2cf6c670$86e45350$@N4ST.com> I live in a rural area and the last mile of power lines were put in just for my house. I had a dead tree limb fall and hook across the power lines and when it got wet, it would arc and create horrendous electrical noise. I called the power company several times to come out and remove the limb but they didn't respond. I finally sent them an email saying that I would take care of it myself, because if I stood on the cab of my pickup I might be able to knock the limb off with a long stick. If that didn't work, I would shoot it off. They came the next morning and removed the limb. _________________ 73, Jim - N4ST -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Stengrevics Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 17:44 To: Mike K8CN Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S (power line arc noise) Thanks to all for your very helpful comments & suggestions. John WA1EAZ From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 23:29:07 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 03:29:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Terry - My tower is a MA-40, bracketed to the end of my garage, with a rotor and TA-33Jr on top. I've worked 200 DXCC entities with it at 100 watts from here in the RF black hole of Minnesota, so it seems like an effective setup for me. It's not a 'super station' but I have plenty of fun with it (and my K3/P3!). 73 de W0ZF On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:22 PM Terry Brown wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On > the > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam > and tower date from the time I became a ham. > > > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is > amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight > rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. My > home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be about > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S with > the tower on the west side of the house. > > > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > questions: > > > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna > on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be > the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > > > 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is > just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of > installation. > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. suspended > from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 > balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for > my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the > NE > corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same > thing > for my new QTH. > > > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > > > Thanks in advance to you all. > > > > 73's, > > > > Terry Brown, N7TB > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com > From ka5y at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 08:15:03 2016 From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 05:15:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1468325703640-7619986.post@n2.nabble.com> I also moved and down sized my antenna/tower. I put up 40' of my 70' Rohn 25. I added a hazer and can bring the antenna down to the ground, no climbing. I added a worm gear to the hazer and am able to run the hazer with a battery operated drill. I thought about having the tower attached to the side of the house but that would mean climbing on the roof (high pitch) to get to the antenna. My 3el steppir is below the trees and works just fine. 73 Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Need-advice-on-Small-Tower-tp7619982p7619986.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w1hyv at arrl.net Tue Jul 12 08:59:05 2016 From: w1hyv at arrl.net (Alan Price) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:59:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Let me build a K2 for you Message-ID: Let me build your K2, or any other Elecraft kit. My prices are reasonable, and you will have a new radio with the options you want. 73 Alan W1HYV From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 09:12:36 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:12:36 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello Terry, In my opinion, there will be no problem. I can imagine that if the tower is right at the house and if there is a strip of metal flashing along the peak of the roof it might detune the director slightly when the antenna is pointed east. Maybe. But I can't believe it will cause you any trouble. Anyway, with the tilt base you will have to install it some distance from the house. Remember the tilt base and the rotor plus mast will add to the height of the tower. US Towers also makes a 55-footer. It's a lot more expensive, though. I don't recommend the TA33-JR. Because of the short boom length it will have a narrow bandwidth on 20m. If you operate both CW and SSB you may find that you need to use a tuner. Your old ATB-34 is slightly bigger, but has a wider bandwidth. There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the venerable TA-33. Also if you can find one that works on 18 MHz too, that will be a plus. In the next few years, 10 and 15m will be dead much of the time. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 12 Jul 2016 04:21, Terry Brown wrote: > Hello all, > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On the > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam > and tower date from the time I became a ham. > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is > amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight > rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. My > home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be about > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S with > the tower on the west side of the house. \ > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > questions: > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is > just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of installation. > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. suspended > from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 > balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for > my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the NE > corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same thing > for my new QTH. > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > Thanks in advance to you all. > 73's, > Terry Brown, N7TB From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 09:28:13 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <146716398.2418795.1468330093376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Don't discount the Hex Beam concept. Mel, K6KBE From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Terry Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Hello Terry, In my opinion, there will be no problem. I can imagine that if the tower is right at the house and if there is a strip of metal flashing along the peak of the roof it might detune the director slightly when the antenna is pointed east. Maybe. But I can't believe it will cause you any trouble. Anyway, with the tilt base you will have to install it some distance from the house. Remember the tilt base and the rotor plus mast will add to the height of the tower. US Towers also makes a 55-footer. It's a lot more expensive, though. I don't recommend the TA33-JR. Because of the short boom length it will have a narrow bandwidth on 20m. If you operate both CW and SSB you may find that you need to use a tuner. Your old ATB-34 is slightly bigger, but has a wider bandwidth. There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the venerable TA-33. Also if you can find one that works on 18 MHz too, that will be a plus. In the next few years, 10 and 15m will be dead much of the time. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 12 Jul 2016 04:21, Terry Brown wrote: > Hello all, > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100.? I have been a ham since > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear.? I have a question for the group.? I am > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR? after 30 years.? Currently I > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof.? On the > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas.? The beam > and tower? date from the time I became a ham. > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > Oregon.? The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem.? The view to the east is > amazing as the ground slopes away.? To the west, the terrain has a slight > rise.? I am 68 yrs. old.? I don't want to have to climb a tower again.? My > home will be two stories with the garage level under it.? The peak of my > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade.? My new tower location will be about > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof.? The roofline will run N-S with > the tower on the west side of the house.? \ > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller? tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW.? I have seen the US > Towers MA-40,? a 20-41ft. crankup as one type.? It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house.? It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East.? I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older.? With this background I have two > questions: > > 1.? ? Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower)? be an effective radiator and receive antenna on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East?? Being on the West Coast, this will be the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts.? To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > 2.? ? I am not committed to any particular crankup tower.? The US Tower is > just the one I have seen on the internet.? I would be interested in any > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft.? I think a tubular > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of installation. > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly.? I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts.? It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it.? I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain.? I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > length that I use for all the other bands.? It is up about 30 ft. suspended > from the trees in my current QTH.? I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 > balun to coax.? At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for > my horizontal loop.? I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the NE > corner.? I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > horizontally polarized.? My current one works great so I want the same thing > for my new QTH. > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group.? I have been > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > Thanks in advance to you all. > 73's, > Terry Brown, N7TB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From kd1na363 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 09:31:24 2016 From: kd1na363 at gmail.com (David Robertson) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:31:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: Last week at the Lobstercon hamfest in Brunswick Maine. I had an opportunity to pit my KX3 against a new KX2. As far as performance they seem to be identical. We were using a 250 foot end fed random wire and running and running the rigs off of both internal and external batteries. The performance of both the KX2 and KX3 were identical as much as we could determine. I had no problem operating the KX2's front panel controls other then a small learning curve when first using the rig. The KX2 seems to perform very well and it's internal battery really runs the rig well. I don't think I will get the KX2 anytime soon but it is a great rig. -- Dave Robertson KD1NA From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 12 09:39:28 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:39:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <53f72a73-ca5e-f2d6-7436-9edbabba8b71@montac.com> I'd like to see the reference on that one, too. As I EVENTUALLY will add high Ah batts to run pretty much all my household electronics, et al. Even if this is a true issue, no matter. Will just have to engineer around it.... 2x batts with power consumption fed "clock" and auto-switching comes to mind as a 1st brainstorm. :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/11/2016 3:46 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/11/2016 12:58 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose >> anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using >> one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned >> that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float >> charge. > > Hi Wes, > > Where did you learn this? References I can study? I looked and didn't > find anything saying that, and that's what I plan to do with the 100Ah > battery I just bought. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 09:44:04 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:44:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: <146716398.2418795.1468330093376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> <146716398.2418795.1468330093376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't have the tilt base. I bought my MA40 and beam used, so not sure of its age. Quality seems fine. I made an adapter for a cordless drill to allow me to crank it up and down without cranking. Vic is correct that the TA33Jr is a little more narrow banded than some leather beams. However, I use it successfully on both CW and SSB without a tuner. It has a lot less wind load than a full sized triband beam, which is important with a tower of that type if the rotor is placed at the top as I have it. Might not be as big an issue if you rotate the whole tower. On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 8:28 AM Mel Farrer via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Don't discount the Hex Beam concept. > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Terry Brown > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower > > Hello Terry, > > In my opinion, there will be no problem. I can imagine that if the tower > is right at the house and if there is a strip of metal flashing along > the peak of the roof it might detune the director slightly when the > antenna is pointed east. Maybe. But I can't believe it will cause you > any trouble. Anyway, with the tilt base you will have to install it some > distance from the house. > > Remember the tilt base and the rotor plus mast will add to the height of > the tower. US Towers also makes a 55-footer. It's a lot more expensive, > though. > > I don't recommend the TA33-JR. Because of the short boom length it will > have a narrow bandwidth on 20m. If you operate both CW and SSB you may > find that you need to use a tuner. Your old ATB-34 is slightly bigger, > but has a wider bandwidth. > > There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the > venerable TA-33. > > Also if you can find one that works on 18 MHz too, that will be a plus. > In the next few years, 10 and 15m will be dead much of the time. > > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 12 Jul 2016 04:21, Terry Brown wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since > > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am > > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I > > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On > the > > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam > > and tower date from the time I became a ham. > > > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > > Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower > setup. > > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is > > amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight > > rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. > My > > home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my > > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be > about > > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S > with > > the tower on the west side of the house. \ > > > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the > US > > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not > being > > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. > which > > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting > to > > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to > physically > > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > > questions: > > > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive > antenna on > > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be > the > > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > > > 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower > is > > just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any > > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular > > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of > installation. > > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > > length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. > suspended > > from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a > 4:1 > > balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with > 20 > > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put > a > > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N > and S > > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners > for > > my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from > the NE > > corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > > horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same > thing > > for my new QTH. > > > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been > > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > > > Thanks in advance to you all. > > 73's, > > Terry Brown, N7TB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com From john at kk9a.com Tue Jul 12 09:44:56 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: The antenna just over your roof line should not be a problem. You will be able to work a lot of stations with this setup. Before buying the antenna I would suggest that you read the tribander test report. http://www.championradio.com/HF-TRIBANDER-PERFORMANCE-TEST-METHODS-RESULTS.2 John KK9A from: Terry Brown n7tb Mon Jul 11 21:21:51 EDT 2016 Hello all, I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two questions: 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna on 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be the direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have been spoiled with that setup over the years. Thanks in advance to you all. 73's, Terry Brown, N7TB From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 12 09:46:19 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <7f15fb32-e8f5-5891-0447-069a0a79d991@montac.com> Sounds like an engineering challenge to me... if it hasn't been answered "open source" before I get to that step, one that I might take on... A flexible design that is "quiet" and treat the LiFePO battery(ies) as they "need" for maximal lifespan, and allowing them to be used for operation w/ "float", and/or standard charging... CC/CV charging PLUS. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/11/2016 3:49 PM, Marc Veeneman via Elecraft wrote: > Actually you can charge and operate at the same time. Basic charge voltage is 13.2 and finishing voltage is 14.6 volts. I've never had a problem with any Elecraft (or other) ham gear at either voltage. > > Float charge would work just fine but I wouldn't make a habit of it. The control modules wired between cells need 14.6 volts (for 4S configurations) to trigger their cell balancing ability. Lead acid cells balance automatically when in series. LiFePO4 cells do not. > > But beware the charger RFI. The 10 amp chargers from BioennoPower are strong generators and I can't use them in the shack to recharge either the battery in use or any other battery while I'm on 80 meter CW. > > I'm testing some alternative high amp chargers and have found at least one that is RFI quiet. I'll be testing a second, less expensive, alternative this week. > -- Marc From lists at subich.com Tue Jul 12 10:00:15 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:00:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: > There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the > venerable TA-33. Force 12 XR-5 or JK Antennas Navassa 5 both cover 20, 17, 15, 12 and 10 meters. Both are available with a 6 meter (XR-6 or 6M add-on) option. Although the antennas have two active elements er band, they they have boom lengths equal or less than the TA-33/TA-33jr and the full size elements mean they are much more efficient than the Mosley antennas. The Force 12 or Navassa provide full performance on up to six bands in a package the size and weight of the TA-33 (or TA33JR-WARC). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/12/2016 9:12 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > Hello Terry, > > In my opinion, there will be no problem. I can imagine that if the tower > is right at the house and if there is a strip of metal flashing along > the peak of the roof it might detune the director slightly when the > antenna is pointed east. Maybe. But I can't believe it will cause you > any trouble. Anyway, with the tilt base you will have to install it some > distance from the house. > > Remember the tilt base and the rotor plus mast will add to the height of > the tower. US Towers also makes a 55-footer. It's a lot more expensive, > though. > > I don't recommend the TA33-JR. Because of the short boom length it will > have a narrow bandwidth on 20m. If you operate both CW and SSB you may > find that you need to use a tuner. Your old ATB-34 is slightly bigger, > but has a wider bandwidth. > > There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the > venerable TA-33. > > Also if you can find one that works on 18 MHz too, that will be a plus. > In the next few years, 10 and 15m will be dead much of the time. > > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 12 Jul 2016 04:21, Terry Brown wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since >> 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am >> moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I >> have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. >> On the >> tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam >> and tower date from the time I became a ham. >> >> I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, >> Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower >> setup. >> My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is >> amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight >> rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower >> again. My >> home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my >> roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be >> about >> 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S >> with >> the tower on the west side of the house. \ >> >> I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a >> smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen >> the US >> Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over >> base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. >> This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not >> being >> visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. >> which >> would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when >> transmitting to >> the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to >> physically >> crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two >> questions: >> >> 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above >> the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive >> antenna on >> 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will >> be the >> direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna >> will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. >> >> 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US >> Tower is >> just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any >> lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular >> constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of >> installation. >> A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. >> >> I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be >> neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 >> watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also >> want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have >> been spoiled with that setup over the years. >> >> Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in >> length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. >> suspended >> from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into >> a 4:1 >> balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters >> with 20 >> or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can >> put a >> vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N >> and S >> side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two >> corners for >> my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from >> the NE >> corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being >> horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same >> thing >> for my new QTH. >> >> I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been >> amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. >> >> Thanks in advance to you all. >> 73's, >> Terry Brown, N7TB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ny9h at arrl.net Tue Jul 12 10:08:00 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:08:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, In-Reply-To: <00db01d1dbd6$99b97ed0$cd2c7c70$@n7us.net> References: <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> <00db01d1dbd6$99b97ed0$cd2c7c70$@n7us.net> Message-ID: need a longer rj cable for kpod is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Jul 12 10:26:46 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:26:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468262193220-7619939.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: John, I haven't read all the replies yet. I'm sure you will get a variety of responses, such as mine. About 40 years ago when color TV's were more expensive, my neighborhood got a momentary hit in the power, and it came back with a voltage spike that took out too many TV's to count. To prevent that from happening to my ham gear, I made a box with multiple outlets all switched by one relay that locks up through it's own contacts. I have momentary push button switches to operate, or release, the relay. Should the power take a momentary hit, the relay drops and opens the AC line to my equipment. If the power comes back with a voltage spike, my equipment doesn't see it. (This may result in a discussion about MOV's) I have a 100 watt station. I prefer to float a battery across my 12 volt line to allow me to properly shut down my equipment should the power go out. I have had several qso's with people who use 12 V battery power exclusively. Some live where there is no power grid. Also, I have a UPS that powers a lamp at my operating position so that I can see to power down my equipment. I hope to eliminate this with a good 12 Volt LED lamp when I find one. Dick, n0ce On 7/11/2016 1:36 PM, stengrevics wrote: > To deal with a power line noise problem, someone suggested I try an > uninterruptible power supply (UPS). Does anyone have any experience doing > this? If so, what UPS specifications are appropriate to handle the K3S? > > My apologies if this has been previously discussed. Please do provide a > link if it has. > > 73, > > John > WA1EAZ > > > > From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 12 10:31:44 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:31:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <4d80a7bb-c488-f0f4-bf27-fda446153ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> <4d80a7bb-c488-f0f4-bf27-fda446153ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: That seals it... HAM "quiet" charging/operation system is definitely on the list now. I bought the little 2A charger to get me by with my little 12 Ah batt for use with RFI/noise hunting for now. But I'm going to start reading/researching and putting together a requirements list for a "proper" charging/operating system for the LiFePO batts. I like the idea/concept of the PowerGate, RigRunner, etc... And it would be nice to have a system that could run from a large cap LFP and still charge... while during non-op periods could charge to capacity and thence complete the cell balancing... (I'm assuming that is how it works generally). Time to learn something new... :-) As an aside... Jim, I think I read in one of the Bioenno batt docs that the output voltage is somewhere around 12.8 VDC... so it is "closer" to nominal... A "nice to have feature" in a system WOULD be to be able to find a way to "boost" the voltage to 13.8+ to realize the lower full power IMD, WHILE simultaneously keeping the power system "quiet". Not a priority right now. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/11/2016 4:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/11/2016 1:49 PM, Marc Veeneman via Elecraft wrote: >> But beware the charger RFI. The 10 amp chargers from BioennoPower >> are strong generators and I can't use them in the shack to recharge >> either the battery in use or any other battery while I'm on 80 meter CW. > > Thanks for all of your input, Marc. Be sure to tell BioennoPower that > the charger they sold you is unacceptable, and return it for credit. > I've already told them it's a problem that they must solve if they are > to be successful in the ham marketplace, but they should hear it from > other customers. > > When I asked, they told me that the chargers they sell are noisy, so I > didn't buy one. They told me that one of their dealers out east had > recommended using the PowerGate jumpered for AGM batteries with a > linear supply adjusted to provide the charging current, and that they > would consider that an in-warranty setup. I'm currently doing that > with a 100Ah battery I just bought, but I'm not thrilled with it. > > The difference between 12V and 14.2 volts doesn't matter for ham gear > except that higher voltage reduces IMD in the K3 output stage at full > power output. > > 73, Jim K9YC From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 12 10:36:28 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:36:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Power Connectors In-Reply-To: <5e098612-faf2-34ab-84f4-2f788f32a2e1@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <908c235b-0969-7da8-67eb-54a7bb8b485e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <664f8149-6463-1e8f-d33f-7b7525bc289a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5e098612-faf2-34ab-84f4-2f788f32a2e1@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <259bb95d-a451-87e4-b451-b58f194f2126@montac.com> Yup... I've used those... I am a BIG fan of the twist-lock NEMA 240VDC plugs/receptacles for the MAIN 240 source coming into movable racks... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/11/2016 5:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Assuming you have 20A breakers and #12 or larger copper, you want NEMA > 6-20. See this link. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector > > 73, Jim > From matt at nq6n.com Tue Jul 12 10:41:22 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:41:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Power Connectors In-Reply-To: <259bb95d-a451-87e4-b451-b58f194f2126@montac.com> References: <908c235b-0969-7da8-67eb-54a7bb8b485e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <664f8149-6463-1e8f-d33f-7b7525bc289a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7dc7042e-4f00-a4dc-45fb-9427aa25029c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5e098612-faf2-34ab-84f4-2f788f32a2e1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <259bb95d-a451-87e4-b451-b58f194f2126@montac.com> Message-ID: I think that since the breaker is for 30A I might just be able to install a NEMA 14-30 receptacle and connect the equipment ground pin to the steel conduit using a pigtail (and the two hots and neutral to the corresponding pins): http://waterheatertimer.org/images/240-Volt-outlet4-253.jpg Any cautions against doing this? I believe all the wall receptacles in my home have the equipment ground pin connected to the steel conduit, and that there are no separate wires run for equipment ground. 73, Matt NQ6N On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Yup... I've used those... I am a BIG fan of the twist-lock NEMA 240VDC > plugs/receptacles for the MAIN 240 source coming into movable racks... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/11/2016 5:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Assuming you have 20A breakers and #12 or larger copper, you want NEMA > > 6-20. See this link. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector > > > > 73, Jim > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From davidahrendts at me.com Tue Jul 12 11:43:49 2016 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:43:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, with the assistance and skill of the legendary Skip, KJ6Y, I have just had installed the US Tower MA-40, and cannot recommend it more highly especially for a tight urban lot. The tubular tower easily supports a 63-pound SteppIR DB-11 plus a smaller 40M rotatable MFJ dipole. It rests when I?m not operating at the roof level, and rises to well above roof line (2 story house) fully extended. This is a mighty little tower. Happy to round up some still shots for you off-list if you wish. David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles > Mon Jul 11 21:21:51 EDT 2016 > > Hello all, > > > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > questions: > > > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > > Thanks in advance to you all. > > > > 73's, > > > > Terry Brown, N7TB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From ka9zap at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 12:06:25 2016 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Arthur Nienhouse) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:06:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57851581.5030100@gmail.com> Many years ago I replaced a TA 33 with a Force 12 C3, I saw one db improvement in signals testing 15 meters and 20 meters ( before then after) with a station 30 miles away, it was even on 10 meters, in all ways of comparison it was better, I later put the 40 meter element on it which had its own feed line simply a great antenna is my report, which proved out chasing dx before then after how many tries how much power. On a tower I would also check out the aluminum crank up getting the pro and con input from others a friend had one many years ago was happy with it. If the antenna at low rest height is right you work on the antenna from the roof a benefit of putting it by the house. Regards Art ka9zap On 7/12/2016 8:44 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > The antenna just over your roof line should not be a problem. You will be > able to work a lot of stations with this setup. Before buying the antenna > I would suggest that you read the tribander test report. > http://www.championradio.com/HF-TRIBANDER-PERFORMANCE-TEST-METHODS-RESULTS.2 > > John KK9A > > from: Terry Brown n7tb > Mon Jul 11 21:21:51 EDT 2016 > > Hello all, > > > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > questions: > > > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > > Thanks in advance to you all. > > > > 73's, > > > > Terry Brown, N7TB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka9zap at gmail.com From w0uo.w5 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 12:07:51 2016 From: w0uo.w5 at gmail.com (Jim Spaulding) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Problems with band decoder Message-ID: I am using a Y cable from the K3 Aux port to a KPA500 and a WX0B band decoder for a six pack antenna switch. When the Band Decoder is added, the KPA500 does not automatically follow band changes from the K3 although band changes on the KPA500 flow to the K3. Has anyone else had this problem and is there an easy fix? Jim W0UO From ab2tc at arrl.net Tue Jul 12 12:07:09 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:07:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 mini-banana plug improvement In-Reply-To: References: <996904742.1663337.1468194582407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0ec4200c-59be-f778-9936-5f52b056a364@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1468339629900-7620002.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Don't try to transmit through any of those, even QRP! They are for receive only such as FM and TV. I also doubt that most of them are effective below 50MHz. AB2TC - Knut David Christ wrote > It says balun connector. Does that mean it is like the old F to twin lead > connectors that had a balun internally. If so I don?t think it would do > what you want it to. > > David K0LUM > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Szab? Istv?n < > ha4zd@ > > wrote: >> >> Could these BNC adapters be used for it? No additional weight, no more >> space required. >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/381429029110 >> >> >> 73, Istv?n, HA4ZD >> >> >> > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-mini-banana-plug-improvement-tp7619796p7620002.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 12:10:23 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:10:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys Message-ID: <5785166e.0fe4240a.b85ad.2114@mx.google.com> Thanks for all the help. The Repeat delay is now fixed. Part of the problem was the timing and not enough space. The majority of the problem was with what as typed in for the the different F keys. Very touchy on how or what was typed. Once all the errors and bugs were fixed the Repeat delay started to work so then I proceeded to set that up with the rights times. Jim K9TF From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Jul 12 12:11:05 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:11:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S In-Reply-To: <744e9363-7854-4c36-6b93-6d5396791c22@n7xy.net> References: <744e9363-7854-4c36-6b93-6d5396791c22@n7xy.net> Message-ID: <81c8cd25-53a1-4b08-032f-dba4625df6fe@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> On 7/11/2016 3:41 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > The batteries in my systems probably need replacing. UPSes typically use some form of VRLA battery. With computers, they're really to bridge short outages or allow a computer to gracefully shut down, and the designers assume that power outages are somewhat rare. If you want these batteries to last, you try to keep the continuous draw near or below the ten hour rate -- same as the charging rate. In other words, the UPS should last 10 hours with a normal load. Instead, most last about 15 minutes, and after a few cycles, the batteries are fried. I've removed the internal batteries and replaced them with much larger VRLA batteries, often at less than APC or Tripp wants for "proper" replacements. Be sure to use fuses and protect the terminals so you don't hit them with something metal accidentally. VRLA batteries can safely be used indoors. A big hint is that most of these are "UPS shippable." 73 -- Lynn From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Jul 12 12:29:35 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:29:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <53f72a73-ca5e-f2d6-7436-9edbabba8b71@montac.com> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <53f72a73-ca5e-f2d6-7436-9edbabba8b71@montac.com> Message-ID: <551cb1e4-ba8b-b3e0-4708-9c3ae0457d09@triconet.org> I've given the reference already. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, I'm just the messenger. I suppose that when I posted my first message I should have added, "According to the vendor, you cannot..." On 7/12/2016 6:39 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > I'd like to see the reference on that one, too. As I EVENTUALLY will > add high Ah batts to run pretty much all my household electronics, et al. > Even if this is a true issue, no matter. Will just have to engineer > around it.... 2x batts with power consumption fed "clock" and > auto-switching comes to mind as a 1st brainstorm. :-) > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Jul 12 12:35:04 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:35:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] HamRadio 360 interview with Wayne N6KR on the KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BFF292E-A640-44B3-8049-A6E0A64073A4@elecraft.com> Hi George, Thanks again for the opportunity (and some great interview questions). As usual, the Bay-Net field day was a blast. (Note to those interested in the KX2's design philosophy, etc.: this portion of the podcast starts around 33 minutes in. I spend quite a bit of time comparing the KX3 and KX2 and talking about the more adventurous side of ham radio.) 73, Wayne N6KR > > At our Bay-Net (www.bay-net.org) Field Day, I had a chance to chat with Wayne about the design of the KX2 radio. You can listen to the interview on our HamRadio 360 podcast that just went live this morning. > > > > You can find the latest episode on our web site www.hamradio360.com where you can listen or download the episodes or you can subscribe for free on your iphone / Android phone / or tablet at iTunes, Stitcher, and just about any podcast player. Just search for Ham Radio 360. > > > > We also had 6 hours of coverage from Dayton over three episodes including an interview with Eric on the KX2 and his FDIM keynote talk. You can download those back episodes as well. > > > > You may also be interested in our new podcast series called the HamRadio 360 Workbench. > > We alternate every other week between a general topic on HamRadio 360 and a Workbench episode. > > > > On the Workbench show we are starting out with the basics of setting up your workbench, tools, test equipment, parts, making PCBs, etc. In a few months we will also be doing a cool group build project. We have not announced what the project will be yet but I bet a lot of you will like it. Tune in to find out more. > > > > 73 DE George KJ6VU > > HamRadio 360 Workbench From mveeneman at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 16:49:03 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:49:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> Message-ID: Actually you can charge and operate at the same time. Basic charge voltage is 13.2 and finishing voltage is 14.6 volts. I've never had a problem with any Elecraft (or other) ham gear at either voltage. Float charge would work just fine but I wouldn't make a habit of it. The control modules wired between cells need 14.6 volts (for 4S configurations) to trigger their cell balancing ability. Lead acid cells balance automatically when in series. LiFePO4 cells do not. But beware the charger RFI. The 10 amp chargers from BioennoPower are strong generators and I can't use them in the shack to recharge either the battery in use or any other battery while I'm on 80 meter CW. I'm testing some alternative high amp chargers and have found at least one that is RFI quiet. I'll be testing a second, less expensive, alternative this week. -- Marc > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Perhaps it would be overkill to consider one of these for my purpose anyway, but based on this thread my interest was piqued about using one of these in the shack to cover short power outages. I've learned that you CANNOT charge and feed a load at the same time, i.e float charge. > >> On 7/11/2016 5:44 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Thanks again, Jim for linking to this vendor. Just ordered the 12 >> Amp/Hr battery they had on promotion with charger to 1) try them out, >> and 2) to power the K3s/P3 while RFI, et al hunting with all or most of >> the shack service shut down. >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >>> On 6/30/2016 11:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> This sale offers good discounts on some fine backpacking products from >>> a ham-friendly company. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com From john at kk9a.com Tue Jul 12 14:15:11 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Problems with band decoder Message-ID: <9ec26089375a304b848c0adb1c1cce1b.squirrel@www11.qth.com> I do not have any issues with a KPA500/KAT500 and a Top Ten band decoder using a Y supplied by Elecraft. John KK9A from: Jim Spauldingm Tue Jul 12 12:07:51 EDT 2016 I am using a Y cable from the K3 Aux port to a KPA500 and a WX0B band decoder for a six pack antenna switch. When the Band Decoder is added, the KPA500 does not automatically follow band changes from the K3 although band changes on the KPA500 flow to the K3. Has anyone else had this problem and is there an easy fix? Jim W0UO From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 12 14:26:46 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:26:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <551cb1e4-ba8b-b3e0-4708-9c3ae0457d09@triconet.org> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <53f72a73-ca5e-f2d6-7436-9edbabba8b71@montac.com> <551cb1e4-ba8b-b3e0-4708-9c3ae0457d09@triconet.org> Message-ID: <173316b6-0567-6bd3-8051-54238e945885@montac.com> Well, please pardon my inquiry. I must have missed your earlier posting of it. Have a nice day. O:-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/12/2016 11:29 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I've given the reference already. > > I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, I'm just the messenger. I > suppose that when I posted my first message I should have added, > "According to the vendor, you cannot..." > > On 7/12/2016 6:39 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> I'd like to see the reference on that one, too. As I EVENTUALLY will >> add high Ah batts to run pretty much all my household electronics, et >> al. >> Even if this is a true issue, no matter. Will just have to engineer >> around it.... 2x batts with power consumption fed "clock" and >> auto-switching comes to mind as a 1st brainstorm. :-) From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Jul 12 15:16:57 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:16:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Charging LiFePO4 Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <7f745a64-2de1-6b1c-ffcd-a7c488b3ead8@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: This is what I got from Kevin. We also spoke on the phone. On the phone, Kevin clarified that as long as the charger was "proper" for LiFePO4 chemistry and charge current was safely limited, an LiFePO4 battery will NOT be damaged if charged during discharge. His only concern was that the battery might not reach full charge simply because more current was being drawn than was being supplied by the charger. SO -- the bottom line is that LiFePO4 batteries ARE suitable for use as the main power source in a station where a charger is always connected as long as the charger has the proper charging characteristics for the LiFePO4 in use. In general, battery life is maximized if the maximum charging current is no greater than the 4-10 hour discharge current. For example, a 10A charger is sold by Bioenno with their 40 - 100Ah batteries. Higher charging currents reduce battery life. Kevin also said that they have taken our concerns seriously with respect to RFI from chargers, and that they have begun working on sourcing chargers that are RF quiet. He noted that it typically takes 3-6 months to find potential candidates, evaluate them, and get them in inventory. I've volunteered to evaluate them in my station for noise. Bioenno also works with Powerwerx, so they are generally aware of connector issues. He said that they are using the larger connector as standard because some of their customers need the larger connector with the higher current rating. The grey SB50 connectors used in the ham world are rated for 50A. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,7/12/2016 11:39 AM, Kevin Zanjani wrote: > Hi Jim, > I needed to clarify my response. Maybe it's easier to explain over > the phone. My number is 714-336-2953 > > The batteries with the bundled chargers, use constant current, > followed by constant voltage to charge the batteries. Generally, with > these chargers, if the battery is loaded while the charger is > attempting to charge the battery (under a high load condition), then > the battery may not be able to achieve a full charge as its loaded > under a high load condition (it would certainly charge). If the load > is fairly low amperage, that is less than the charge current, then yes > the battery can take the full charge. > > With the PWR gate, you can certainly charge and discharge the battery, > because there is a separate power supply that can provide a large > enough charge current to the battery, while also supplying power to > the radio from that supply . So in that setup, it is perfectly fine. > > So it depends on the charge current available to charge battery versus > the load power to ensure the battery takes a full charge. > > -Kevin > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Jim Brown > > wrote: > > Kevin, > > I've been using the battery for about a week. Some correspondence > you had with Wes Stewart concerns me greatly -- in effect, it > negates the use of the battery in my station. I bit of background. > Most ham gear is designed to run from a DC source in the range of > 12-14V, and its performance is best near the top of that range. > For many years, I've used flooded lead acid cells that are > float-charged as the primary power source for the 12V equipment in > my station, but had to accept the fact that for most of their > discharge, they are at 12V or less. The primary reason for going > to LiFePO4 chemistry is the discharge curve, with most of the > battery's capacity above 12.5V. > > I am a contester. Typical contest operation for me is with two > radios, each drawing about 1.5A in receive mode and between 10-20A > in transmit mode, depending on the contest. Only one radio is > transmitting at a time. The 10A contests are 36 hour events, the > 20A contests are 10 hours long. It doesn't take much arithmetic to > realize that a 100Ah battery must be charged during operation to > handle the load. > > Your response to Wes seemed to indicate that LiFePO4 batteries > cannot be charged during use -- that is, that they must go through > a discharge cycle. I can find no technical references online for > this statement, so I'd like to know the basis of your advice to > Wes. Can you point me to technical references for this? > > Some other comments now that I've been using the battery in my > station for several days. The PowerGate controller seems to work > fine -- IF the power supply is set to a high enough terminal > voltage to provide 10A charge current. > > The 4A charger you provided for my 20Ah battery pack works fine, > but generates significant levels of RF noise. I can suppress that > noise somewhat, but not well enough, by winding multiple turns of > both AC and DC cables through ferrite cores to form common mode > chokes. I've seen comments online from other users of your > chargers indicating that they are too noisy to use in a radio > environment. As I told you last week, it is important that you > find chargers that produce far less RF noise. This is also > critical for the pro audio market, especially for video production > work. > > The Power Pole connector for charging is well chosen; the larger > connector for the load is not. Ham applications have standardized > on the smaller Anderson SB50 series for use with power sources. > It's no problem for a technical user to replace the larger > connector that you ship with, but it's added cost and time. And, > of course, the technician must mount only one conductor at a time, > inserting it in the connector shell, so that there is no > possibility of shorting the battery in the process. > From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 12 15:57:59 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:57:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Charging LiFePO4 Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <7f745a64-2de1-6b1c-ffcd-a7c488b3ead8@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim!!! Here is what I take from that.... Say, you have a 100+ Ah battery and a 10 amp max charge current (limited) on the charger. (And assuming the charger meets other requirements for CC/CV voltage during CC and the desired Voltage during CV (trickle current cell balancing). Assuming a K3s/P3 for instance with only the 100W internal PA... During Transmit, the rig pulls anywhere up to about 15 amps or so on peaks (my experience). On receive, the rig is pulling well less than 1.5 amps... So, on receive... MOST of the time, the charger will be charging the battery.... and when at rest, even with the rig on say overnight (I seldom do this), the battery will easily reach full charge and enter CV cycle which is where the cell balancing happens. On a contest where the TX duty cycle is much higher.... say 50+%, The battery will be averaging somewhere around it's 10 Hr charge current in power draw... So, for the duration of the contest (or high duty cycle session) the battery will remain in the CC charge cycle. At the conclusion of the high duty cycle use, the battery will continue in CC until it is fully charged and thence to CV for maintenance/cell balance... I don't think there is going to be anything super tough about this one... IF a commercial solution doesn't present, I will proceed on the path of finding/building a linear supply that will provide at least the required voltage and trim (if necessary) it with a well-designed linear regulator circuit to the CC voltage required. Add a second linear regulator that provides the CV voltage.... Then add a sense/feedback circuit that monitors the battery for the event/events that signals the need to switch from CC to CV or CV to CC... Seems pretty doable... unless I am missing something... 73, _____________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/12/2016 2:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > This is what I got from Kevin. We also spoke on the phone. > > On the phone, Kevin clarified that as long as the charger was "proper" > for LiFePO4 chemistry and charge current was safely limited, an > LiFePO4 battery will NOT be damaged if charged during discharge. His > only concern was that the battery might not reach full charge simply > because more current was being drawn than was being supplied by the > charger. > > SO -- the bottom line is that LiFePO4 batteries ARE suitable for use > as the main power source in a station where a charger is always > connected as long as the charger has the proper charging > characteristics for the LiFePO4 in use. In general, battery life is > maximized if the maximum charging current is no greater than the 4-10 > hour discharge current. For example, a 10A charger is sold by Bioenno > with their 40 - 100Ah batteries. Higher charging currents reduce > battery life. > > Kevin also said that they have taken our concerns seriously with > respect to RFI from chargers, and that they have begun working on > sourcing chargers that are RF quiet. He noted that it typically takes > 3-6 months to find potential candidates, evaluate them, and get them > in inventory. I've volunteered to evaluate them in my station for noise. > > Bioenno also works with Powerwerx, so they are generally aware of > connector issues. He said that they are using the larger connector as > standard because some of their customers need the larger connector > with the higher current rating. The grey SB50 connectors used in the > ham world are rated for 50A. > > 73, Jim K9YC From k9ma at sdellington.us Tue Jul 12 16:20:01 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:20:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Portable Ant In-Reply-To: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1347871179.1849689.1468244264602.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <427f1d73-4408-1704-148c-044944317a0d@sdellington.us> I've recently been using an 11 meter fishing pole to hold up a 21 meter wire, and it works quite well on 20 and 40. (It should also work on 10 and 15, and a shorter wire on 30.) I can get the antenna up in about 10 minutes almost anywhere there's enough room. Obviously, the pole could hold various lengths of wire in all sorts of configurations, like a half wave vertical or inverted L. Just about anything more than 11 meters long ought to work better than a short loaded vertical. The internal tuner won't load a half wave multiple like this wire, so I built a small tuner. The internal tuner would probably match a quarter wave (3/4 wave, etc.) with radials on the ground, but that kind of antenna might not be as effective. The pole is: http://www.allfishingbuy.com/Fishing-Pole/Pole-A2-83-2-12017.htm It weighs just 600 g. (This outfit has others longer/shorter/heavier/cheaper.) I'd be glad to share the tuner design. 73, Scott K9MA On 7/11/2016 08:37, Robert Reiman wrote: > What portable or walk about Antenna could I use with my KX2? 72's Bob Kb9ivaKb9iva at sbcglobal.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us From sjl219 at optonline.net Tue Jul 12 16:23:54 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna Message-ID: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> I would like to correspond with anyone who has experience using the Alexloop antenna with 1-2 watts. Normally, I use either an end fed antenna and a T1, a resonant linked dipole, or a resonant Par HF Omni-Angle (for 20 and 17 meters). ?They all work quite well for their intended use but require some effort to erect. I have been reading about the Alexloop Walkham for at least the last two years. ?It would present some distinct advantages to me and the reviews seem to be overwhelmingly positive. My concern is that while I have a KX2 for my home station, I only take my LNR five band Mountain Topper out on my portable jaunts. ?On a 9 volt transistor battery, I get a bit over 1 watt; on 12 volts I get 2.5 watts. My specific interest is in finding out as much as I can about how this small Alexloop performs at such low power levels since its efficiency is reported to be about 7% on 40 meters, rising to about 25% on 20 meters. An email to Alex has gone unanswered for the last two days. Thanks and 73 from Stan WB2LQF? From john at t6ee.com Tue Jul 12 16:29:52 2016 From: john at t6ee.com (John) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01d1dc7c$25a26470$70e72d50$@t6ee.com> Terry, I'm over 80 and a couple of years ago: In 1987 I bought and installed a US Tower TMM541SS with electric winch and put a Cushcraft A4 and a Tailtwister rotator on it. 13 years later, 2010, I was overwhelmed by SteppIR antennas So, at the Northern/Southern California DXers shindig Visalia, I bought a 3 Element (40 M trombone) powder coated special. Down came the Tailtwister/Mosley/Cushcraft combo and up went the SteppIR and a Yaesu 800 series Rotator. The tower was re-cabled 8 years ago. The STeppIR and Yaesu rotator once tweeked have performed flawlessly since. My transceiver, K3 of course...with P3. And that's about the size of it. 73 and have fun, John Kountz, WO1S/6, T6EE Message: 18 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:21:51 -0700 From: "Terry Brown" To: Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On the tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam and tower date from the time I became a ham. I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. My home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be about 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S with the tower on the west side of the house. I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two questions: 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna on 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be the direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of installation. A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have been spoiled with that setup over the years. Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. suspended from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the NE corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same thing for my new QTH. I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. Thanks in advance to you all. 73's, Terry Brown, N7TB ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:55:53 -0600 From: To: Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Pyle PHA40 Headphone Amp Message-ID: <013601d1dbe0$861d00e0$925702a0$@ka7ftp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I bought a pyle PHA40 headphone amp. It appears to be close in size and specs to the Behringer HA400. It powers off the same type of cable used by the KX2/KX3, same voltage and polarity. I paid 16.60 for mine on Amazon. I connected it to my KX3 and the audio quality sounds good. I didn't detect any extra noise introduced by the amp. 73 Len ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:19:08 -0400 From: "Jim - N4ST" To: "'John Stengrevics'" , "'Mike K8CN'" Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S (power line arc noise) Message-ID: <04cc01d1dbec$2cf6c670$86e45350$@N4ST.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I live in a rural area and the last mile of power lines were put in just for my house. I had a dead tree limb fall and hook across the power lines and when it got wet, it would arc and create horrendous electrical noise. I called the power company several times to come out and remove the limb but they didn't respond. I finally sent them an email saying that I would take care of it myself, because if I stood on the cab of my pickup I might be able to knock the limb off with a long stick. If that didn't work, I would shoot it off. They came the next morning and removed the limb. _________________ 73, Jim - N4ST -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Stengrevics Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 17:44 To: Mike K8CN Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Uninterruptible Power Supply for K3S (power line arc noise) Thanks to all for your very helpful comments & suggestions. John WA1EAZ ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 03:29:07 +0000 From: Dave Fugleberg To: Terry Brown , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Terry - My tower is a MA-40, bracketed to the end of my garage, with a rotor and TA-33Jr on top. I've worked 200 DXCC entities with it at 100 watts from here in the RF black hole of Minnesota, so it seems like an effective setup for me. It's not a 'super station' but I have plenty of fun with it (and my K3/P3!). 73 de W0ZF On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:22 PM Terry Brown wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On > the > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam > and tower date from the time I became a ham. > > > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is > amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight > rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. My > home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be about > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S with > the tower on the west side of the house. > > > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > questions: > > > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna > on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be > the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > > > 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is > just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of > installation. > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. suspended > from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 > balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for > my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the > NE > corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same > thing > for my new QTH. > > > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > > > Thanks in advance to you all. > > > > 73's, > > > > Terry Brown, N7TB > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 05:15:03 -0700 (MST) From: pkhjr To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: <1468325703640-7619986.post at n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I also moved and down sized my antenna/tower. I put up 40' of my 70' Rohn 25. I added a hazer and can bring the antenna down to the ground, no climbing. I added a worm gear to the hazer and am able to run the hazer with a battery operated drill. I thought about having the tower attached to the side of the house but that would mean climbing on the roof (high pitch) to get to the antenna. My 3el steppir is below the trees and works just fine. 73 Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Need-advice-on-Small-Tower-tp7619982p76 19986.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:59:05 +0000 From: Alan Price To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Let me build a K2 for you Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Let me build your K2, or any other Elecraft kit. My prices are reasonable, and you will have a new radio with the options you want. 73 Alan W1HYV ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:12:36 +0300 From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, Terry Brown Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Hello Terry, In my opinion, there will be no problem. I can imagine that if the tower is right at the house and if there is a strip of metal flashing along the peak of the roof it might detune the director slightly when the antenna is pointed east. Maybe. But I can't believe it will cause you any trouble. Anyway, with the tilt base you will have to install it some distance from the house. Remember the tilt base and the rotor plus mast will add to the height of the tower. US Towers also makes a 55-footer. It's a lot more expensive, though. I don't recommend the TA33-JR. Because of the short boom length it will have a narrow bandwidth on 20m. If you operate both CW and SSB you may find that you need to use a tuner. Your old ATB-34 is slightly bigger, but has a wider bandwidth. There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the venerable TA-33. Also if you can find one that works on 18 MHz too, that will be a plus. In the next few years, 10 and 15m will be dead much of the time. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 12 Jul 2016 04:21, Terry Brown wrote: > Hello all, > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On the > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam > and tower date from the time I became a ham. > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is > amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight > rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. My > home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be about > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S with > the tower on the west side of the house. \ > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the US > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > questions: > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is > just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of installation. > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. suspended > from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 > balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for > my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the NE > corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same thing > for my new QTH. > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > Thanks in advance to you all. > 73's, > Terry Brown, N7TB ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:28:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Mel Farrer To: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP , "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" , Terry Brown Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: <146716398.2418795.1468330093376.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Don't discount the Hex Beam concept. Mel, K6KBE From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Terry Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Hello Terry, In my opinion, there will be no problem. I can imagine that if the tower is right at the house and if there is a strip of metal flashing along the peak of the roof it might detune the director slightly when the antenna is pointed east. Maybe. But I can't believe it will cause you any trouble. Anyway, with the tilt base you will have to install it some distance from the house. Remember the tilt base and the rotor plus mast will add to the height of the tower. US Towers also makes a 55-footer. It's a lot more expensive, though. I don't recommend the TA33-JR. Because of the short boom length it will have a narrow bandwidth on 20m. If you operate both CW and SSB you may find that you need to use a tuner. Your old ATB-34 is slightly bigger, but has a wider bandwidth. There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the venerable TA-33. Also if you can find one that works on 18 MHz too, that will be a plus. In the next few years, 10 and 15m will be dead much of the time. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 12 Jul 2016 04:21, Terry Brown wrote: > Hello all, > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100.? I have been a ham since > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear.? I have a question for the group.? I am > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR? after 30 years.? Currently I > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof.? On the > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas.? The beam > and tower? date from the time I became a ham. > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > Oregon.? The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem.? The view to the east is > amazing as the ground slopes away.? To the west, the terrain has a slight > rise.? I am 68 yrs. old.? I don't want to have to climb a tower again.? My > home will be two stories with the garage level under it.? The peak of my > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade.? My new tower location will be about > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof.? The roofline will run N-S with > the tower on the west side of the house.? \ > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller? tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW.? I have seen the US > Towers MA-40,? a 20-41ft. crankup as one type.? It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house.? It's max height is 41 ft. which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting to > the East.? I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to physically > crank it up by hand as I get older.? With this background I have two > questions: > > 1.? ? Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower)? be an effective radiator and receive antenna on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East?? Being on the West Coast, this will be the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts.? To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > 2.? ? I am not committed to any particular crankup tower.? The US Tower is > just the one I have seen on the internet.? I would be interested in any > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft.? I think a tubular > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of installation. > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly.? I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts.? It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it.? I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain.? I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > length that I use for all the other bands.? It is up about 30 ft. suspended > from the trees in my current QTH.? I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a 4:1 > balun to coax.? At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with 20 > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and S > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners for > my horizontal loop.? I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the NE > corner.? I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > horizontally polarized.? My current one works great so I want the same thing > for my new QTH. > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group.? I have been > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > Thanks in advance to you all. > 73's, > Terry Brown, N7TB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:31:24 -0400 From: David Robertson To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Last week at the Lobstercon hamfest in Brunswick Maine. I had an opportunity to pit my KX3 against a new KX2. As far as performance they seem to be identical. We were using a 250 foot end fed random wire and running and running the rigs off of both internal and external batteries. The performance of both the KX2 and KX3 were identical as much as we could determine. I had no problem operating the KX2's front panel controls other then a small learning curve when first using the rig. The KX2 seems to perform very well and it's internal battery really runs the rig well. I don't think I will get the KX2 anytime soon but it is a great rig. -- Dave Robertson KD1NA ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft You must be a subscriber to post. Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ------------------------------ End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 ***************************************** From N3ND at aol.com Tue Jul 12 16:52:26 2016 From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Message-ID: <8dccf511-2179-a79b-e80f-ca46156e0d14@aol.com> My KPod arrived today after spending an additional day at the post office (actually they had no one to drive the truck yesterday! What a way to run a business). I've gotta tell ya that those 0603 resistors are a tough nut to handle. I managed to stack that supplied SMD resistor on top of the old R82 while severely burning my left index finger. It's not fun soldering under a magnifying glass but I still love the challenge. I'm saving the leaded resistor for my other K3. First impressions are good. See the "half" turns count issue already discussed but after playing with it for a while I find that I like it. Now to fix the SFI. 73, Dan From turnbull at net1.ie Tue Jul 12 16:59:43 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:59:43 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna In-Reply-To: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> References: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4E6D1699DD16489F9E8EB1D76FD5BBEB@DougTPC> Hello Stan, If you go to the AlexLoop site and open clippings then go to Echo Ireland, you will find a fairly lengthy review I wrote. I have not used the AlexLoop very often with my KX1 and hence 2.5W but have used it frequently with the KX3 at 5 Watts for portable operations. The antenna works even when inside a non-metallic building. It seems like snake oil but it works. I made the QSOs mentioned in the article with 5 Watts so it would be harder at 2 Watts as you will be down 3 dB. A dipole is going to work better at any reasonable height but it will be for one band and takes up a lot of space. You can place the AlexLoop on a balcony, take it to the park or better yet a summit and it will work. I think it pricy but so too are all commercial antennas. You could do a lot worse. I am purchasing a KX2 to replace a KX3 used in EI for portable operations in Europe. I reckon the KX2 in its special travel case will fit inside the AlexLoop bag. Though I prefer using my Begali Adventurer Paddle; the new KX2 paddle will be purchased as it is so small and hopefully beats the original KX3 paddle. Elecraft has come a long way since the KX1 paddle. You go trekking but I am an old goat at 72 and do not want to carry anything more than absolutely required when using air travel. One big disadvantage of the KX2 is the size of the battery charger. I do not want to haul this monster around. Maybe two battery packs will do me but airlines do not like LiPo battery packs of any type outside the radio. I may just gamble of a second battery pack. This however is off topic. For me the AlexLoop works better than I would ever expect and even outperformed a Buddipole using a full quarter length shock cord whip on 20M with two raised radials. This should not be the case but was for me when I tried this comparison. Another advantage of the AlexLoop is that you can change bands so easily. At night time no one wants to run outdoors and reconfigure a Buddipole - all I do is retune the AlexLoop which is sitting inside the room with me at arms length. The AlexLoop is a useful antenna for portable operations. It is well packaged and easily assembled. Good luck my friend. These are just my experiences. Again I suggest you read the clipping of my review in Echo Ireland. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of stan levandowski Sent: 12 July 2016 20:24 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna I would like to correspond with anyone who has experience using the Alexloop antenna with 1-2 watts. Normally, I use either an end fed antenna and a T1, a resonant linked dipole, or a resonant Par HF Omni-Angle (for 20 and 17 meters). ?They all work quite well for their intended use but require some effort to erect. I have been reading about the Alexloop Walkham for at least the last two years. ?It would present some distinct advantages to me and the reviews seem to be overwhelmingly positive. My concern is that while I have a KX2 for my home station, I only take my LNR five band Mountain Topper out on my portable jaunts. ?On a 9 volt transistor battery, I get a bit over 1 watt; on 12 volts I get 2.5 watts. My specific interest is in finding out as much as I can about how this small Alexloop performs at such low power levels since its efficiency is reported to be about 7% on 40 meters, rising to about 25% on 20 meters. An email to Alex has gone unanswered for the last two days. Thanks and 73 from Stan WB2LQF? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From k6jw at cox.net Tue Jul 12 17:11:31 2016 From: k6jw at cox.net (Jeffrey Wolf) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:11:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger Message-ID: <2f2eaf15-363d-bfdc-c749-ed9982875fbd@cox.net> I previously bought a LiFePO battery from Bioenno along with one of their wall wart chargers. I wasn't happy with the setup because the wall wart had no user configurable parameters for charging, discharging, or cycling. Instead, I tried to use my Turnigy Accucel-6 charger with parameters set the way I wanted them to prevent overcharging and balance the cells. It wouldn't work because of the internal circuitry built into the battery pack. When I contacted Bioenno about this, they affirmed that I would have to use their wall wart. Since this was unacceptable to me, I sold the battery and charger to someone who wasn't bothered by the limitation. I bought a 4200AH battery from Hobby King which is perfectly compatible with the Turnigy charger (also from Hobby King) and have had no problems since. My advice: If you want control over battery charging and maintenance, Bioenno's LiFePO batteries may not be for you because of the charger limitation. 73, Jeff, K6JW From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Jul 12 17:12:29 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Charging LiFePO4 Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <7f745a64-2de1-6b1c-ffcd-a7c488b3ead8@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55149ba2-f0eb-47cf-51fa-a673872e560a@triconet.org> Despite your earlier response, allow me to offer a suggestion. I've written about this too before but I'll summarize again. I used for a number of years a HB analog charger on a 90 AH AGM battery to run most of my station. This was built using an Astron 35M power supply for the raw DC, heatsink and series pass transistors. The regulator board was removed and substituted by a modified A&A Engineering "smart charger" board. I think these are obsolete now, but the heart of them is the uC3906 IC. I set mine up for a bulk charge rate of 25A (~C/4). I'm not going to design it for you but I imagine the IC can do the trick for this battery chemistry. On 7/12/2016 12:57 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Thanks Jim!!! > > > Here is what I take from that.... Say, you have a 100+ Ah battery and a > 10 amp max charge current (limited) on the charger. (And assuming the > charger meets other requirements for CC/CV voltage during CC and the > desired Voltage during CV (trickle current cell balancing). > > Assuming a K3s/P3 for instance with only the 100W internal PA... > > During Transmit, the rig pulls anywhere up to about 15 amps or so on > peaks (my experience). > On receive, the rig is pulling well less than 1.5 amps... > > So, on receive... MOST of the time, the charger will be charging the > battery.... and when at rest, even with the rig on say overnight (I > seldom do this), the battery will easily reach full charge and enter CV > cycle which is where the cell balancing happens. > > On a contest where the TX duty cycle is much higher.... say 50+%, The > battery will be averaging somewhere around it's 10 Hr charge current in > power draw... So, for the duration of the contest (or high duty cycle > session) the battery will remain in the CC charge cycle. > > At the conclusion of the high duty cycle use, the battery will continue > in CC until it is fully charged and thence to CV for maintenance/cell > balance... > > I don't think there is going to be anything super tough about this one... > > IF a commercial solution doesn't present, I will proceed on the path of > finding/building a linear supply that will provide at least the required > voltage and trim (if necessary) it with a well-designed linear regulator > circuit to the CC voltage required. Add a second linear regulator that > provides the CV voltage.... Then add a sense/feedback circuit that > monitors the battery for the event/events that signals the need to > switch from CC to CV or CV to CC... > > Seems pretty doable... unless I am missing something... > > > 73, > > _____________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/12/2016 2:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> This is what I got from Kevin. We also spoke on the phone. >> >> On the phone, Kevin clarified that as long as the charger was "proper" >> for LiFePO4 chemistry and charge current was safely limited, an >> LiFePO4 battery will NOT be damaged if charged during discharge. His >> only concern was that the battery might not reach full charge simply >> because more current was being drawn than was being supplied by the >> charger. >> >> SO -- the bottom line is that LiFePO4 batteries ARE suitable for use >> as the main power source in a station where a charger is always >> connected as long as the charger has the proper charging >> characteristics for the LiFePO4 in use. In general, battery life is >> maximized if the maximum charging current is no greater than the 4-10 >> hour discharge current. For example, a 10A charger is sold by Bioenno >> with their 40 - 100Ah batteries. Higher charging currents reduce >> battery life. >> >> Kevin also said that they have taken our concerns seriously with >> respect to RFI from chargers, and that they have begun working on >> sourcing chargers that are RF quiet. He noted that it typically takes >> 3-6 months to find potential candidates, evaluate them, and get them >> in inventory. I've volunteered to evaluate them in my station for noise. >> >> Bioenno also works with Powerwerx, so they are generally aware of >> connector issues. He said that they are using the larger connector as >> standard because some of their customers need the larger connector >> with the higher current rating. The grey SB50 connectors used in the >> ham world are rated for 50A. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC From dlsmith at harlanonline.net Tue Jul 12 17:52:10 2016 From: dlsmith at harlanonline.net (David Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:52:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Chameleon CHA-F Loop Antenna Message-ID: <000301d1dc87$a451e060$ecf5a120$@harlanonline.net> I would like comments from anyone who is using the Chameleon CHA-F Loop Antenna. Want to use it with my KX2 for portable use when I travel. Looking for convenience over a dipole. Also any other loop antenna comments. Thanks David ND4Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Jul 12 18:16:12 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:16:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses Message-ID: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> So long as antenna discussions on the reflector haven?t been met with the ?OT? cloture lately, I have an antenna question of a different sort. I am contemplating a ? wave vertical with four elevated radials for 80 meters. My choices for siting it are two ? one is near the top of the property (about 8,600 feet ASL), somewhat in the clear, and within 100 feet from the operating position. The other is in a meadow near the property boundary, which is much more open and a just a bit higher ? but it has two other significant characteristics. One is that the land slopes away from that site, over about half the compass from NNW to SSE, at a slope of 10 to 15% for about a half mile. According to ON4UN?s text, that slope could give me a significant gain in that part of the azimuth with no significant terrain obstruction on the other half. The second characteristic, however, goes the other way ? that site would require about 500 feet of feedline from the house to the antenna feed point. I have been looking at the loss factors in hardline and in ?direct burial? coax, which on 80 meters seem modest but not irrelevant for a run of that length ? maybe a dB or so per 100 feet. What I can?t quantify ? because I don?t have enough life expectancy to learn how to adapt antenna modelling software to a Mac or even to learn it if I could ? is whether the gain from the sloping near field would make up for the feedline loss. In case it matters, the ground likely has very poor conductivity. It?s decomposed granite ? a specialty in the Colorado mountains ? with a very thin layer of usually very dry soil. (Our well has a static level of 142 feet, so there?s no ground water anywhere near the surface.) Anyone have opinions, guesses, estimates, advice, or whatever ? should I accept the feedline losses and enjoy the half-hemisphere low-angle gain? Or would the poor soil quality negate that advantage? Ted, KN1CBR From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Tue Jul 12 18:33:16 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:33:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to gauge interest Message-ID: Hello fellow K3 owners! I still have some boards available if anyone is interested and I'm happy to report they work just fine with the KPA3 installed as well! As my main use for my K3s is 6 meter and 144 EME operation, I bought the 10 watt version without the antenna tuner. I dabble a little on HF but not a whole lot. As such, the 10 watt, no tuner version suits my needs, although I thought it would be nice to be able to select 2 different antennas from the front panel (one for HF and the other for 6 meters). Spending several hundred dollars for the KATU seemed a bit overkill to me just to get front panel selection of 2 antennas. So looking at the schematic, I saw how easy it would be to modify my KANT board to allow 2 antenna selection. I bread boarded up my schematic and It works exactly as I expected. So I'm debating having some pc boards made to replace the entire KANT board but only if there is enough interest to justify doing so and I wanted to see how y'all felt about it. The bare boards run $25. You would take the parts from your existing KANT and reuse them on this new board, in addition to adding around $12 worth of new parts. So for under $40, you could have dual antenna selection on your non-KATU equipped K3. Please email me offlist if you're interested Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From craig at powersmith.net Tue Jul 12 18:49:43 2016 From: craig at powersmith.net (Craig Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:49:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> Message-ID: Ted ? I think you are overstating the coax losses. Even stock RG-11 should be perhaps 0.3 dB/100ft on 80 meters - around 1.5 dB for the 500 ft. run. Even so, I would probably gravitate toward the closer location. With the elevated radials, the effects of the ground conductivity should be minimal. Not sure if ON4UNs data assume elevated radials or many on-ground radials. It could be that his estimate of the sloping ground advantage is for the later. With the closer location, you will have perhaps 1 dB stronger signal in all directions because of the lower feedline loss. 73 Craig AC0DS From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 19:40:35 2016 From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Terry, If you check out my QRZ page, you'll note that I have a USTower TMM-541SS with a Yaesu G1000DXA rotator and a Force12 XR6 topping it off. https://www.qrz.com/db/K4QE The antenna is at 47 feet AGL and it covers 20 thru 6 with one coax. The TMM-541SS nests down to 12 feet, and I also have the tilt-over kit. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have about it. 73, Tony K4QE On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the > > venerable TA-33. > > Force 12 XR-5 or JK Antennas Navassa 5 both cover 20, 17, 15, 12 and > 10 meters. Both are available with a 6 meter (XR-6 or 6M add-on) > option. Although the antennas have two active elements er band, they > they have boom lengths equal or less than the TA-33/TA-33jr and the > full size elements mean they are much more efficient than the Mosley > antennas. > > The Force 12 or Navassa provide full performance on up to six bands > in a package the size and weight of the TA-33 (or TA33JR-WARC). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 7/12/2016 9:12 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > >> Hello Terry, >> >> In my opinion, there will be no problem. I can imagine that if the tower >> is right at the house and if there is a strip of metal flashing along >> the peak of the roof it might detune the director slightly when the >> antenna is pointed east. Maybe. But I can't believe it will cause you >> any trouble. Anyway, with the tilt base you will have to install it some >> distance from the house. >> >> Remember the tilt base and the rotor plus mast will add to the height of >> the tower. US Towers also makes a 55-footer. It's a lot more expensive, >> though. >> >> I don't recommend the TA33-JR. Because of the short boom length it will >> have a narrow bandwidth on 20m. If you operate both CW and SSB you may >> find that you need to use a tuner. Your old ATB-34 is slightly bigger, >> but has a wider bandwidth. >> >> There are newer designs for small beams that are better than the >> venerable TA-33. >> >> Also if you can find one that works on 18 MHz too, that will be a plus. >> In the next few years, 10 and 15m will be dead much of the time. >> >> 73, >> Vic, 4X6GP >> Rehovot, Israel >> Formerly K2VCO >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> >> On 12 Jul 2016 04:21, Terry Brown wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since >>> 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am >>> moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I >>> have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. >>> On the >>> tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam >>> and tower date from the time I became a ham. >>> >>> I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, >>> Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower >>> setup. >>> My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is >>> amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight >>> rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower >>> again. My >>> home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my >>> roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be >>> about >>> 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S >>> with >>> the tower on the west side of the house. \ >>> >>> I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a >>> smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen >>> the US >>> Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over >>> base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. >>> This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not >>> being >>> visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. >>> which >>> would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when >>> transmitting to >>> the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to >>> physically >>> crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two >>> questions: >>> >>> 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above >>> the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive >>> antenna on >>> 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will >>> be the >>> direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna >>> will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. >>> >>> 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US >>> Tower is >>> just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any >>> lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular >>> constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of >>> installation. >>> A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. >>> >>> I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be >>> neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 >>> watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also >>> want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have >>> been spoiled with that setup over the years. >>> >>> Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in >>> length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. >>> suspended >>> from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into >>> a 4:1 >>> balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters >>> with 20 >>> or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can >>> put a >>> vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N >>> and S >>> side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two >>> corners for >>> my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from >>> the NE >>> corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being >>> horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same >>> thing >>> for my new QTH. >>> >>> I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been >>> amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. >>> >>> Thanks in advance to you all. >>> 73's, >>> Terry Brown, N7TB >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to anthony.scandurra at gmail.com > From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 19:53:02 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:53:02 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Cancelling K3S Message-ID: Hi All I am just wondering since the rise of amount of noise sources, why couldn't elecraft come up with an integrated solution for this, either on the K3 like or perhaps add a unit external to the KX3. Something similar to this http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=mfj-1026 I know the K3 has a subreciever perhaps some DSP wizardry could be used to create this. On the KX3 that would be impossible so an external unit perhaps would be required similar to the PX3. I guess my problem is that I get a lot of noise and I know there is this solution from MFJ, and other like integrated noise cancellation near the speaker end by BHI, but why couldn't elecraft come up with something similar to this functionality on the K line that is beautifully integrated, so messy PTT relays aren't required. No I dont have a K3 I have a KX3, but this would be a big win I believe for people in a surburban block like me. Regards VK3FRAD From idarack at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 20:23:29 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just connected my K-Pod to my K3S and have two quick questions: 1. When connected to my computer, what is the name of the Human Interface Device? I have a device showing up as FT232R USB UART? 2. I have a K3S with 12 VDC output (1 amp max powered switched) that I am already using to power my P3. The P3 has the SVG Video card that I use for an external display. Before connecting the K-Pod I want to make sure that I will not be drawing more than the 1 am max. Thanks,Irwin KD3TB -- Irwin KD3TB From w8fn at tx.rr.com Tue Jul 12 20:42:12 2016 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:42:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Problems with band decoder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You don't say, but I presume the band decoder is operating correctly.Since the band change function of the KPA500 works, this says that the serial data bus between the amp and the radio is working fine. The band decoder may be loading down the 4 band data lines to the point they don't make the logic "1" voltage the KPA500 needs. It's probably a major pain, but try measuring the voltages on the 4 band data lines with a DVM with everything connected and report back the logic "1" (most positive) voltage you see on the data lines as you cycle through the bands. The KPA500 should still change bands properly if you give it a short shot of RF, but the situation should really be corrected. 73... Randy, W8FN On 7/12/2016 11:07 AM, Jim Spaulding wrote: > I am using a Y cable from the K3 Aux port to a KPA500 and a WX0B band > decoder for a six pack antenna switch. When the Band Decoder is > added, the KPA500 does not automatically follow band changes from the > K3 although band changes on the KPA500 flow to the K3. Has anyone > else had this problem and is there an easy fix? > > Jim > > W0UO > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8fn at tx.rr.com > From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 12 20:51:30 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:51:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger In-Reply-To: <2f2eaf15-363d-bfdc-c749-ed9982875fbd@cox.net> References: <2f2eaf15-363d-bfdc-c749-ed9982875fbd@cox.net> Message-ID: Just need to know the specs on their internal circuitry... This project is working its way up to the top of my list... Looks like I need to give them a call... Or, I'll simply dissect my battery when it gets here... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/12/2016 4:11 PM, Jeffrey Wolf wrote: > I previously bought a LiFePO battery from Bioenno along with one of > their wall wart chargers. I wasn't happy with the setup because the > wall wart had no user configurable parameters for charging, > discharging, or cycling. Instead, I tried to use my Turnigy Accucel-6 > charger with parameters set the way I wanted them to prevent > overcharging and balance the cells. It wouldn't work because of the > internal circuitry built into the battery pack. When I contacted > Bioenno about this, they affirmed that I would have to use their wall > wart. Since this was unacceptable to me, I sold the battery and > charger to someone who wasn't bothered by the limitation. I bought a > 4200AH battery from Hobby King which is perfectly compatible with the > Turnigy charger (also from Hobby King) and have had no problems since. > My advice: If you want control over battery charging and maintenance, > Bioenno's LiFePO batteries may not be for you because of the charger > limitation. > 73, > Jeff, K6JW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From lightdazzled at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 21:01:05 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:01:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna In-Reply-To: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> References: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Message-ID: On some SOTA activations I will start off running my KX3 at 1 watt with my AlexLoop to try to reduce the initial pile-up to a more manageable level. Sometimes it works, and sometime it doesn't seem to matter, there is still a pile-up! The most important thing when using the AlexLoop is to be able to see the SWR change continuously as you tune it. If your transmitter has a good SWR indication you should be fine. I suspect you would be pleased with its performance even at 1-2 watts. 72 Chip AE5KA On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > I would like to correspond with anyone who has experience using the > Alexloop antenna with 1-2 watts. > > Normally, I use either an end fed antenna and a T1, a resonant linked > dipole, or a resonant Par HF Omni-Angle (for 20 and 17 meters). They all > work quite well for their intended use but require some effort to erect. > > > I have been reading about the Alexloop Walkham for at least the last two > years. It would present some distinct advantages to me and the reviews > seem to be overwhelmingly positive. > > > My concern is that while I have a KX2 for my home station, I only take my > LNR five band Mountain Topper out on my portable jaunts. On a 9 volt > transistor battery, I get a bit over 1 watt; on 12 volts I get 2.5 watts. > > > My specific interest is in finding out as much as I can about how this > small Alexloop performs at such low power levels since its efficiency is > reported to be about 7% on 40 meters, rising to about 25% on 20 meters. > > > An email to Alex has gone unanswered for the last two days. > > > Thanks and 73 from Stan WB2LQF > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 21:06:19 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:06:19 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Message-ID: People seem to have good opinions on the AlexLoop, but I had one feedback into my KX3 and forced it shutdown, I've heard of other similar things as well with magnetic loops. The thing to remember is that you need that ATU off before it can work. On 40M I couldnt even get a signal out, and other frequencies here in VK are dead except 2m/73cm 73 On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Chip Stratton wrote: > On some SOTA activations I will start off running my KX3 at 1 watt with my > AlexLoop to try to reduce the initial pile-up to a more manageable level. > Sometimes it works, and sometime it doesn't seem to matter, there is still > a pile-up! > > The most important thing when using the AlexLoop is to be able to see the > SWR change continuously as you tune it. If your transmitter has a good SWR > indication you should be fine. > > I suspect you would be pleased with its performance even at 1-2 watts. > > 72 > Chip > AE5KA > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM, stan levandowski > wrote: > > > I would like to correspond with anyone who has experience using the > > Alexloop antenna with 1-2 watts. > > > > Normally, I use either an end fed antenna and a T1, a resonant linked > > dipole, or a resonant Par HF Omni-Angle (for 20 and 17 meters). They all > > work quite well for their intended use but require some effort to erect. > > > > > > I have been reading about the Alexloop Walkham for at least the last two > > years. It would present some distinct advantages to me and the reviews > > seem to be overwhelmingly positive. > > > > > > My concern is that while I have a KX2 for my home station, I only take my > > LNR five band Mountain Topper out on my portable jaunts. On a 9 volt > > transistor battery, I get a bit over 1 watt; on 12 volts I get 2.5 watts. > > > > > > My specific interest is in finding out as much as I can about how this > > small Alexloop performs at such low power levels since its efficiency is > > reported to be about 7% on 40 meters, rising to about 25% on 20 meters. > > > > > > An email to Alex has gone unanswered for the last two days. > > > > > > Thanks and 73 from Stan WB2LQF > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com > From jbc5 at case.edu Tue Jul 12 21:15:03 2016 From: jbc5 at case.edu (Joe Carter) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:15:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 578 Message-ID: <23F67CA9-ACFE-4FE3-8E12-1B389E913524@case.edu> Arrived today! Thanks to Elecraft for a great product and thanks for great packaging as the box looked like UPS kicked it all the way here. Radio is smaller than I remembered from Dayton but then I really didn't get a good look there because of the crowds. Joins big brothers KX3 and K3 - I guess it is true - you can't have too many radios - especially if they are Elecraft. This one is another winner! Joe, w9jc Sent from my iPhone From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 12 21:36:52 2016 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <050b01d1dca7$0836e700$18a4b500$@austin.rr.com> The elevated radials should help reduce near field I2R losses, but the sloping terrain will help far field reinforcement and produce 'gain' in some directions, although at 80M it should slope for further than a mile away to really make a difference. I do not think elevated radials will change the far field reflections from the sloping terrain in any way. At 80M, even small hardline should have very low loss, so I would go for the location that has the better terrain profile. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:50 PM To: Dauer, Edward Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses Ted ? I think you are overstating the coax losses. Even stock RG-11 should be perhaps 0.3 dB/100ft on 80 meters - around 1.5 dB for the 500 ft. run. Even so, I would probably gravitate toward the closer location. With the elevated radials, the effects of the ground conductivity should be minimal. Not sure if ON4UNs data assume elevated radials or many on-ground radials. It could be that his estimate of the sloping ground advantage is for the later. With the closer location, you will have perhaps 1 dB stronger signal in all directions because of the lower feedline loss. 73 Craig AC0DS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 12 21:41:26 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Problems with band decoder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d067fe4-0a2f-759c-701e-45c930d7102a@embarqmail.com> Instead of the band data lines being loaded down so the logic "1" value is not reached, it is more likely that the RS-232 lines are not being pulled to the logic "0" level because of pullup resistors in the band decoder receiver inputs. If the band decoder that you are using has pullup resistors, this may indeed be the case. The first K3s did not have pullup resistors in the K3 - the band decode outputs were just FET open drain. That meant that a band decoder was expected to have the pullup resistors on the decoder end, but many do not. Elecraft then added pullup resistors to the K3 outputs rather than requiring that customers modify their band decoders. That is not the best solution for logic drivers and receivers (the pullup resistors should properly be at the receiver end, not at the driver end), but it was 'necessary' in ham circles where some devices expect the drivers to have the pullup resistors. Enter the KPA500 - the KPA500 went to extreme measures by adding diodes to the band data lines to prevent damage (and confusion) for the band data lines from devices that did add pullup resistors at the band data receiving end and those pullups were to voltages higher than +5 volts. So you may be faced with a situation where your band data decoder *also* needs diodes to isolate the voltage of the pullup resistors at the receiver from the K3/K3S band data lines. Adding a series diode in your band decoder with the cathode pointing to the K3 band data lines should cure the problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/12/2016 8:42 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: > You don't say, but I presume the band decoder is operating > correctly.Since the band change function of the KPA500 works, this > says that the serial data bus between the amp and the radio is working > fine. The band decoder may be loading down the 4 band data lines to > the point they don't make the logic "1" voltage the KPA500 needs. It's > probably a major pain, but try measuring the voltages on the 4 band > data lines with a DVM with everything connected and report back the > logic "1" (most positive) voltage you see on the data lines as you > cycle through the bands. The KPA500 should still change bands properly > if you give it a short shot of RF, but the situation should really be > corrected. > > 73... > Randy, W8FN > > On 7/12/2016 11:07 AM, Jim Spaulding wrote: >> I am using a Y cable from the K3 Aux port to a KPA500 and a WX0B band >> decoder for a six pack antenna switch. When the Band Decoder is >> added, the KPA500 does not automatically follow band changes from the >> K3 although band changes on the KPA500 flow to the K3. Has anyone >> else had this problem and is there an easy fix? From dave at nk7z.net Tue Jul 12 21:52:00 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:52:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Cancelling K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1468374720.5244.269.camel@nk7z.net> On Wed, 2016-07-13 at 09:53 +1000, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > Hi All > > I am just wondering since the rise of amount of noise sources, why > couldn't elecraft come up with an integrated solution for this, either > on the K3 like or perhaps add a unit external to the KX3. >? I have often wondered the same thing... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 21:52:44 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:52:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <050b01d1dca7$0836e700$18a4b500$@austin.rr.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <050b01d1dca7$0836e700$18a4b500$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Don't forget about scrap 72 ohm CATV aluminum hard-line -or- open wire to feed the vertical. 73! K0PP From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 21:53:49 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 01:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <050b01d1dca7$0836e700$18a4b500$@austin.rr.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <050b01d1dca7$0836e700$18a4b500$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1472160567.2942228.1468374829260.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Elevated radials will do more by establishing a fixed array configuration on match and pattern.? The orientation of the ground is another issue but with a fixed orientation the pattern will be more subtle.? I run multiple antennas with vertical orientation and find that the ground conductivity has more to change the pattern than the radials.? That said, look at the ground conductivity in your area and see if it is constant over a year or widely wet to dry.? If the ground is highly variable, the elevated radials will help give you a more stable operating platform or match.? Mel, K6KBE From: John Langdon To: 'Craig Smith' ; "'Dauer, Edward'" Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses The elevated radials should help reduce near field I2R losses, but the sloping terrain will help far field reinforcement and produce 'gain' in some directions, although at 80M it should slope for further than a mile away to really make a difference.? I do not think elevated radials will change the far field reflections from the sloping terrain in any way. At 80M, even small hardline should have very low loss, so I would go for the location that has the better terrain profile. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:50 PM To: Dauer, Edward Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses Ted ? I think you are overstating the coax losses.? Even stock RG-11 should be perhaps 0.3 dB/100ft on 80 meters - around 1.5 dB for the 500 ft. run.? Even so, I would probably gravitate toward the closer location.? With the elevated radials, the effects of the ground conductivity should be minimal.? Not sure if ON4UNs data assume elevated radials or many on-ground radials.? It could be that his estimate of the sloping ground advantage is for the later.? With the closer location, you will have perhaps 1 dB stronger signal in all directions because of the lower feedline loss. 73? ? Craig? AC0DS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Jul 12 22:02:16 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX Ant Out? Message-ID: I can't figure out what RX Ant Out does. The K3s users manual is pretty sparse in it's description. It appears that the "normal" e.g. Ant1/2 is presented to RX Ant Out when the RX antenna is selected. If that is the case then could RX Ant Out be fed to Aux In? That would make the TX Ant the Aux antenna and would allow for diversity using this on the Sub RX while RX Ant is going to the Main RX. Am I missing something? (probably...) jim ab3cv From w8fn at tx.rr.com Tue Jul 12 22:39:54 2016 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:39:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RX Ant Out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When the RX ANT function is engaged, the normal internal connection between the Receiver side of the K3's T/R switch and the Receiver input is broken. The output from the T/R switch is routed to the RX Ant Out jack. The RX Ant In jack connects to the Receiver input. This allows you to insert a preamp, filter, etc. in the receive line between the antenna and the Receiver input. This function is extremely useful. In addition to allowing the insertion of filters, etc. you can also feed the Receiver input from an external switching unit to select one of several different receive antennas without disturbing the transmit path. One of the inputs can of course be the transmit antenna signal from the RX Ant Out jack. I use this function extensively to switch between different receive antennas, especially for low band reception. I have actually built a switch matrix that allows me to put any of three receive antenna sources to either the Main receiver input via the RX Ant In jack or the Sub receiver input via the AUX RF connector, with suitable lockout logic. This setup is extremely valuable for Diversity reception. 73... Randy, W8FN On 7/12/2016 9:02 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I can't figure out what RX Ant Out does. The K3s users manual is pretty > sparse in it's description. > > It appears that the "normal" e.g. Ant1/2 is presented to RX Ant Out when > the RX antenna is selected. > > If that is the case then could RX Ant Out be fed to Aux In? > > That would make the TX Ant the Aux antenna and would allow for diversity > using this on the Sub RX while RX Ant is going to the Main RX. > > Am I missing something? (probably...) > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8fn at tx.rr.com > From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 22:40:51 2016 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] RX Ant Out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470837967.2169139.1468377651377.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Jim, You are so right about the K3(S) manual! ?Elecraft pretty much leaves it up to your imagination on just how to use it the RX Out BNC connector????? I found a good use for the RX Out to be where you have a separate receive antenna (Beverage, HI Z 8, SAL, etc.), and plan on using diversity receive (requires the sub receiver). ?What you do is connect a short piece of 52 ohm cable with BNC males on each end between the RX Ant Out BNC, ?and the AUX RF In BNC. ? With the configuration, a push of the RX Antenna button routes one antenna to the Sub Receiver, and the other antenna to the Main Receiver! Dick, K8ZTT From: Jim Miller To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:02 PM Subject: [Elecraft] RX Ant Out? I can't figure out what RX Ant Out does. The K3s users manual is pretty sparse in it's description. It appears that the "normal" e.g. Ant1/2 is presented to RX Ant Out when the RX antenna is selected. If that is the case then could RX Ant Out be fed to Aux In? That would make the TX Ant the Aux antenna and would allow for diversity using this on the Sub RX while RX Ant is going to the Main RX. Am I missing something? (probably...) jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Wed Jul 13 00:05:21 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:05:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Macro via Remote Control Command Message-ID: <1468382721014-7620040.post@n2.nabble.com> You can write eight macros to the KX3 using the KX3 Utility. How do you execute a KX3 macro short of assigning it to the PF1 or PF2 switch? Is there a remote control command to execute a KX3 macro? 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Macro-via-Remote-Control-Command-tp7620040.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richarddnnr2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 00:15:13 2016 From: richarddnnr2 at gmail.com (Richard Donner) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna Message-ID: Hi Stan I own an AlexLoop and a few of us hams went into a park and did some signal comparisons on 20 meters. We compared an Alexloop, a full size vertical with four radials, and a 1/2 wave end fed for 20 meters. I used an a/b switch on receive and transmit. The vertical beat out the other antennas by less than an an s unit. The Alexloop was almost as good as the full size vertical. The only drawbacks I see with this antenna is that it needs to be in the clear. It also has a very narrow bandwidth maybe 30Khz. On a SOTA activation making phone contacts on 20 meters was quite doable with 10 watts last year. You will need an SWR meter with a needle to catch the quick dips as you tune the loop. bye Richard From km6cq at km6cq.com Wed Jul 13 00:54:20 2016 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Alexloop VS P-Loop Message-ID: Last weekend a friend and I set up a club station at a ham swap. I brought my Alexloop and he brought his P-Loop. We swapped them around and as you would expect, we could not tell if one out performed the other. So I will comment on the most noticeable difference I observed while using them. The P-Loop has 6:1 reduction tuning. Which means it is not touchy, you slowly get to the resonate frequency you choose. The Alexloop is 3:1 so you get there twice as fast which makes it a little touchy. Overall I prefer the Alexloop because, I can QSY quickly. You get to know it and just by listening, you can adjust it almost perfectly without transmitting. I have gotten to the point I can tune it while I spend the VFO and it works great. The P-Loop works just fine also, you just have to spin the knob a lot more. The P-loop has a nice enclosure and I think is almost water resistant. It looks like it is made better. The Alexloop would be easier to use hand held because it is not as bulky. I think the P-loop is a better value as it is priced $65 dollars less. They are both nice compact loops. I think a man should own one of each. One last thought, When I set up the buddipole as a 20 meter dipole 8 feet off the ground, it was about the same as the Alexloop. The big difference is it will take 250 watts, the the Loops are limited to 10 watts CW. 73, Dan KM6CQ From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 01:02:00 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:02:00 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <85FFB0D2-8824-4808-AE83-E6BF6124028F@gmail.com> You might also consider receive noise, which you can check in both spots (unless you are planning a dedicated RX antenna). As others said, loss for most coax will be much lower than one dB per 100 feet. Vic 4X6GP > On 13 Jul 2016, at 01:16, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > So long as antenna discussions on the reflector haven?t been met with the ?OT? cloture lately, I have an antenna question of a different sort. I am contemplating a ? wave vertical with four elevated radials for 80 meters. My choices for siting it are two ? one is near the top of the property (about 8,600 feet ASL), somewhat in the clear, and within 100 feet from the operating position. The other is in a meadow near the property boundary, which is much more open and a just a bit higher ? but it has two other significant characteristics. One is that the land slopes away from that site, over about half the compass from NNW to SSE, at a slope of 10 to 15% for about a half mile. According to ON4UN?s text, that slope could give me a significant gain in that part of the azimuth with no significant terrain obstruction on the other half. The second characteristic, however, goes the other way ? that site would require about 500 feet of feedline from the house to the antenna feed point. I have been looking at the loss factors in hardline and in ?direct burial? coax, which on 80 meters seem modest but not irrelevant for a run of that length ? maybe a dB or so per 100 feet. What I can?t quantify ? because I don?t have enough life expectancy to learn how to adapt antenna modelling software to a Mac or even to learn it if I could ? is whether the gain from the sloping near field would make up for the feedline loss. In case it matters, the ground likely has very poor conductivity. It?s decomposed granite ? a specialty in the Colorado mountains ? with a very thin layer of usually very dry soil. (Our well has a static level of 142 feet, so there?s no ground water anywhere near the surface.) Anyone have opinions, guesses, estimates, advice, or whatever ? should I accept the feedline losses and enjoy the half-hemisphere low-angle gain? Or would the poor soil quality negate that advantage? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Jul 13 01:43:41 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:43:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If your K3S is connected to your computer, the FT232R USB UART is probably the one in the K3S that connects your computer to the K3S's programming interface. There should also be a USB AUDIO CODEC. When I look at my K-Pod which is connected to the computer for power, I don't see anything. It is probably just looking like a USB charger. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/12/16 at 5:23 PM, idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) wrote: >I just connected my K-Pod to my K3S and have two quick questions: > >1. When connected to my computer, what is the name of the Human Interface >Device? >I have a device showing up as FT232R USB UART? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics refer to 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar they are www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.? -- Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From n7cqr at arrl.net Wed Jul 13 02:07:58 2016 From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:07:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna In-Reply-To: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> References: <7df40a05.81914.155e0c7bfb3.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Message-ID: Hi Stan-and list. I've used the Alexloop for the past 2 years and overall am very pleased with it. I primarily use it for portable use particularly SOTA, and with my newly acquired KX2 it makes the best portable combination I've ever had for speed and ease of setup. I used mine on a SOTA activation a few weeks back and in 1& 1/2 hrs I worked 25 Q's in 14 states and New Zealand. Propagation was iffy so I had to be patient, and this was all on 20 CW at 5W. Tuning is very sharp so it takes some getting used to, and you need to elevate it at least 5 Ft above ground for good results. I use a cheap camera tripod or sometimes a portable music stand base (like a Manhasset, for those who know what that is!). You want to get it a few feet away from you and tuning at first may seem tricky but after a bit I can get really close just by tuning to band noise. Sometimes I use the little IP60 antenna analyzer that Buddipole sells which is handy but you can do well with the KX2 or 3 SWR indicator. I figure I can have my station up and running in less than 5 minutes. I also have a variety of end fed wires, Buddipole, lightweight dipoles, etc for all situations but they all take time to set up, so the Alexloop wins out because it's light and quick, and works pretty darn well on the upper bands especially. One of my buddies just picked up the Alpha loop at a hamfest which looks very similar so we plan to have a shootout soon to see if there's any difference between the 2-I suspect they're very similar. He got a hamfest deal on his so if that's an option that's a good way to go. Dan Presley N7CQR n7cqr at arrl.net On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:23 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > I would like to correspond with anyone who has experience using the Alexloop antenna with 1-2 watts. > > Normally, I use either an end fed antenna and a T1, a resonant linked dipole, or a resonant Par HF Omni-Angle (for 20 and 17 meters). They all work quite well for their intended use but require some effort to erect. > > > I have been reading about the Alexloop Walkham for at least the last two years. It would present some distinct advantages to me and the reviews seem to be overwhelmingly positive. > > > My concern is that while I have a KX2 for my home station, I only take my LNR five band Mountain Topper out on my portable jaunts. On a 9 volt transistor battery, I get a bit over 1 watt; on 12 volts I get 2.5 watts. > > > My specific interest is in finding out as much as I can about how this small Alexloop performs at such low power levels since its efficiency is reported to be about 7% on 40 meters, rising to about 25% on 20 meters. > > > An email to Alex has gone unanswered for the last two days. > > > Thanks and 73 from Stan WB2LQF > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7cqr at arrl.net From linxt at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 03:18:06 2016 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:18:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with K2? Message-ID: <20160713001806.379dfc8c@desktop-1.home> Can the P3 display unit be used with a K2? If so, are mods necessary for either the K2 or P3? Thanks, Tom Taylor KE7TT -- Ever notice the first thing you see at an airport is a big sign that says "TERMINAL"? Have a nice flight. - Lewis Grizzard ^^ --... ...-- / -.- . --... - - ^^^^ Tom Taylor KE7TT openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 960 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 40.1, claws-mail 3.10.1 registered linux user 263467 From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed Jul 13 04:49:44 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 01:49:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your other comments: 1. Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses ... they will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of ground conductivity determine far field pattern (given a particular profile) no matter what kind of radials he uses. 2. If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, it will be much more than 1 db. Dave AB7E On 7/12/2016 3:49 PM, Craig Smith wrote: > Ted ? > > I think you are overstating the coax losses. Even stock RG-11 should be perhaps 0.3 dB/100ft on 80 meters - around 1.5 dB for the 500 ft. run. > > Even so, I would probably gravitate toward the closer location. With the elevated radials, the effects of the ground conductivity should be minimal. Not sure if ON4UNs data assume elevated radials or many on-ground radials. It could be that his estimate of the sloping ground advantage is for the later. With the closer location, you will have perhaps 1 dB stronger signal in all directions because of the lower feedline loss. > > 73 Craig AC0DS From kd2jip at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 05:13:34 2016 From: kd2jip at gmail.com (David Corsello) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 05:13:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger Message-ID: My goal was extended, off-grid, portable capability with LiFePO4 and solar charging. I believe I have achieved this with the Bioenno 4.5 Ah battery, PowerFilm R28 rollable solar panel and Genasun GV-5 solar charge controller. (This combination works, but there are some caveats that I won't get into now.) The main component that makes this a viable solution is the the battery's internal management board, which protects against over-charging and over-discharging and balances the cells Bioenno isn't the only manufacturer that provides internal cell balancing. For example, any LiFePO4 battery that's sold as a drop-in SLA replacement also offers this. (I recommend Bioenno for their customer service--Kevin is a HUGE asset to this company--and because their 4.5 Ah battery is more ideally suited for portable QRP operation in terms of size and weight (1 lb.) than any other LiFePO4 battery I found.) I mention this to make the point that internal balancing circuits are now commonplace. I assume they are trustworthy, and so far, experience confirms this--I see no degradation of the battery after multiple charge cycles. Jeff, for my education would you please explain the advantages of using a balancing charger with a non-self-balancing battery over using a non-balancing, LiFePO4-compatible charger with a self-balancing battery? --Dave From alsopb at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 06:46:39 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:46:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <57861C0F.2010400@comcast.net> Hi Dave. Care to comment on how much benefit vertically polarized antennas might gain from terrain sloping away from vertical? For horizontally polarized antennas, where ground reflection gain is up to 6 dB, the sloping terrain can lower the effective take off angle a lot- 10's of degrees. There was a program called YTAD that estimated this effect in one dimension. It's results were quite enlightening. Vertical antennas have no ground reflection gain. Would one then expect sloping terrain NOT to alter their already low take off angle much? On the other hand, folklore seems to indicate a benefit of roof top verticals with their "elevated" radials over ground mounted verticals with elevated radials/or in ground radials. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/13/2016 8:49 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > > Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your other > comments: > > 1. Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses ... > they will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of ground > conductivity determine far field pattern (given a particular profile) no > matter what kind of radials he uses. > > 2. If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, it > will be much more than 1 db. > > Dave AB7E > > > On 7/12/2016 3:49 PM, Craig Smith wrote: >> Ted ? >> >> I think you are overstating the coax losses. Even stock RG-11 should >> be perhaps 0.3 dB/100ft on 80 meters - around 1.5 dB for the 500 ft. run. >> >> Even so, I would probably gravitate toward the closer location. With >> the elevated radials, the effects of the ground conductivity should be >> minimal. Not sure if ON4UNs data assume elevated radials or many >> on-ground radials. It could be that his estimate of the sloping >> ground advantage is for the later. With the closer location, you >> will have perhaps 1 dB stronger signal in all directions because of >> the lower feedline loss. >> >> 73 Craig AC0DS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From k2mk at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 07:01:47 2016 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:01:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1468407707184-7620050.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Terry, I'm moving and I've just sold my MA40 with the MARB40 tilt over/rotator base. It's a fine tower for small loads. Be careful, it's only rated at 3sqft load when the tower is cranked down to the 21 foot level. I had a 2 element SteppIR yagi on it and I would crank it down if winds over 20 or 30 mph were forecasted. Cranking it up and down is very easy on the arm. It cranks easily but requires 100 cranks. Tilting it over and cranking it down and back up requires much greater effort until the mast is at the 45 degree angle. I would have liked to have a power driven winch for that operation. The foundation for this mast is substantial with lots of rebar. I'm selling my house and just had the top 12" of concrete removed so that I could replace it with grass. It took a crew longer to remove the 12" then it did for the crew to dig and pour the foundation in the first place. I'm thankful I didn't have to any of the work. This mast can actually be handled by one person if you have moderate equipment to help. I had a wheeled lawn cart for rolling it around and a Harbor Freight 1 ton shop crane for taking it off of the flat bed delivery truck and helping to engage and dis-engage the mast into the MRB40 unit. With two people it's a very simple job. All of my experiences were good and given the opportunity I would not hesitate to purchase another one. I have a personal website with lots of photos. Contact me directly if you want the link. k2mk at comcast dot net 73, Mike K2MK Terry Brown wrote > Hello all, > > I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since > 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am > moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I > have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On > the > tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam > and tower date from the time I became a ham. > > I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, > Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. > My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is > amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight > rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. > My > home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my > roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be > about > 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S > with > the tower on the west side of the house. > > I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a > smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the > US > Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over > base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. > This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being > visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. > which > would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting > to > the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to > physically > crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two > questions: > > 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above > the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna > on > 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be > the > direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna > will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. > > 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is > just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any > lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular > constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of > installation. > A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. > > I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be > neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 > watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also > want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have > been spoiled with that setup over the years. > > Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in > length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. > suspended > from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a > 4:1 > balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with > 20 > or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a > vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and > S > side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners > for > my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the > NE > corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being > horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same > thing > for my new QTH. > > I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been > amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. > > Thanks in advance to you all. > 73's, > Terry Brown, N7TB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Need-advice-on-Small-Tower-tp7619982p7620050.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 13 08:06:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:06:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with K2? In-Reply-To: <20160713001806.379dfc8c@desktop-1.home> References: <20160713001806.379dfc8c@desktop-1.home> Message-ID: Tom, The answer is "yes" and "maybe". The P3 can tune to the K2 IF easily enough (menu setting) - in fact it can be tuned to anywhere between 455kHz and 21MHz. The problem is getting the IF out of the K2. To accomplish that, a buffer amplifier is needed to keep from loading the K2 IF. Clifton Labs used to have their Z10000-K2 buffer amplifier to do exactly that task, but unfortunately Jack Smith is now SK. I had obtained information that DX Engineering had taken over the Clifton Labs stock, but I don't see anything of it on their website. If someone would build a buffer amplifier similar to the Z10000, then it would be possible. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/13/2016 3:18 AM, Thomas Taylor wrote: > Can the P3 display unit be used with a K2? If so, are mods necessary for > either the K2 or P3? > > From turnbull at net1.ie Wed Jul 13 10:19:36 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:19:36 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DEF15BAA3FA4F0184723C932CD3BA64@DougTPC> Dear OMs and YLs, When using the AlexLoop one always at a minimum starts out with the antenna tuner bypassed and normally you leave it that way. I have had occasion to use the AlexLoop mounted atop a steel reinforced concrete wall and found that the minimum SWR was not good enough so I used the KX3 tuner. The location was very good and I still made some good QSOs. Without doubt I should have moved but the location was convenient as I had use of a part bench looking out over the considerable height of Monticatini Alto in Tuscany ( Italians please forgive my spelling). With the AlexLoop or any magloop close by you can tune it and the narrow band properties are not a big deal. It certainly is easier to shift form 20M to 40M with an AlexLoop than with a portable vertical type antenna. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Donner Sent: 13 July 2016 04:15 To: sjl219 at optonline.net; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Alexloop Walkham Antenna Hi Stan I own an AlexLoop and a few of us hams went into a park and did some signal comparisons on 20 meters. We compared an Alexloop, a full size vertical with four radials, and a 1/2 wave end fed for 20 meters. I used an a/b switch on receive and transmit. The vertical beat out the other antennas by less than an an s unit. The Alexloop was almost as good as the full size vertical. The only drawbacks I see with this antenna is that it needs to be in the clear. It also has a very narrow bandwidth maybe 30Khz. On a SOTA activation making phone contacts on 20 meters was quite doable with 10 watts last year. You will need an SWR meter with a needle to catch the quick dips as you tune the loop. bye Richard ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 10:33:27 2016 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:33:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX Ant Out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D23C837-FD25-43EE-A42D-3071C352667F@gmail.com> Thanks all. You've given me good ideas. 73 Jim ab3cv On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:02 PM, Jim Miller wrote: I can't figure out what RX Ant Out does. The K3s users manual is pretty sparse in it's description. It appears that the "normal" e.g. Ant1/2 is presented to RX Ant Out when the RX antenna is selected. If that is the case then could RX Ant Out be fed to Aux In? That would make the TX Ant the Aux antenna and would allow for diversity using this on the Sub RX while RX Ant is going to the Main RX. Am I missing something? (probably...) jim ab3cv From eckerpw at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 11:07:30 2016 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (KC2NYU) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:07:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses In-Reply-To: <8f3821aa-8886-0681-7436-2e7c7a250c55@nycap.rr.com> References: <8f3821aa-8886-0681-7436-2e7c7a250c55@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> I am trying to decide on ordering the K-Pod but struggling to sort out the possible overlap between the K-Pod, and using a Genovation keypad or a software suite like Win4K3. Using the keypad in conjunction with a P3 allows me to activate many macros with the touch of one key. I also can program many macros in Win4K3 as well as perform almost any K3 button or knob function and change the VFO's with the touch of a mouse. So would be interested in any observations about what the K-Pod can do over and above the other two choices, to help me decide on ordering the K-Pod Tnx Paul kc2nyu -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-K-pod-uses-tp7619860p7620054.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 13 11:18:38 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses In-Reply-To: <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8f3821aa-8886-0681-7436-2e7c7a250c55@nycap.rr.com> <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <65caf9dc-ea23-9516-5c70-0468ea00122a@embarqmail.com> Paul, If you are completely comfortable with mouse tuning and Win4K3, then you may not find any advantage for the K-Pod. I do not like mouse tuning, and am more comfortable with a tuning knob. Having the knob next to the keyboard is especially nice if you are mainly using the keyboard - you do not have to move very far from the keyboard to get to the knob. The K-Pod can be placed either to the left or right of the keyboard. The buttons on the K-Pod can activate up to 16 K3 macros. K3 Utility now allows 16 macros to be created/edited and stored in the K3. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/13/2016 11:07 AM, KC2NYU via Elecraft wrote: > I am trying to decide on ordering the K-Pod but struggling to sort out the > possible overlap between the K-Pod, and using a Genovation keypad or a > software suite like Win4K3. Using the keypad in conjunction with a P3 allows > me to activate many macros with the touch of one key. I also can program > many macros in Win4K3 as well as perform almost any K3 button or knob > function and change the VFO's with the touch of a mouse. > From tom at nilza.org Wed Jul 13 11:31:30 2016 From: tom at nilza.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:31:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with K2? In-Reply-To: References: <20160713001806.379dfc8c@desktop-1.home> Message-ID: <43aea55b-c97e-468a-3b2d-974613843e97@nilza.org> How about this one? https://sage-shop.com/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Products/Vk2zfadapterBest%C3%BCckt A K2 IF adapter kit from QRP shop https://sage-shop.com/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/ ?? 73, tom w7sua On 7/13/2016 5:06 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Tom, > > The answer is "yes" and "maybe". > The P3 can tune to the K2 IF easily enough (menu setting) - in fact it > can be tuned to anywhere between 455kHz and 21MHz. > > The problem is getting the IF out of the K2. To accomplish that, a > buffer amplifier is needed to keep from loading the K2 IF. > > Clifton Labs used to have their Z10000-K2 buffer amplifier to do exactly > that task, but unfortunately Jack Smith is now SK. > I had obtained information that DX Engineering had taken over the > Clifton Labs stock, but I don't see anything of it on their website. > > If someone would build a buffer amplifier similar to the Z10000, then it > would be possible. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/13/2016 3:18 AM, Thomas Taylor wrote: >> Can the P3 display unit be used with a K2? If so, are mods necessary for >> either the K2 or P3? >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tom at w7sua.org > > From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Wed Jul 13 11:32:17 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:32:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses In-Reply-To: <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8f3821aa-8886-0681-7436-2e7c7a250c55@nycap.rr.com> <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468423937905-7620056.post@n2.nabble.com> IMHO, the primary advantage of the K-Pod is the weighted knob and corresponding 400-count ball-bearing optical encoder. It's the exact same knob / encoder used with the K3. You can tune the K3 remotely (up to the length of the cable) with the exact same "feel" as if you were turning the VFO A knob on the K3. Of course, in order to pull this off, the K-Pod must seamlessly support 400 counts per revolution (which is still TBD). You're absolutely correct in that the P3 supports up to 50 macros. In conjunction with a keyboard, you have macros coming out of your ears. In this scenario, the K-Pod programmable switches are definitely secondary. Not to mention the fact (as I understand it), the K-Pod won't control the P3 markers. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-K-pod-uses-tp7619860p7620056.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eckerpw at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 11:34:18 2016 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses In-Reply-To: <65caf9dc-ea23-9516-5c70-0468ea00122a@embarqmail.com> References: <8f3821aa-8886-0681-7436-2e7c7a250c55@nycap.rr.com> <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> <65caf9dc-ea23-9516-5c70-0468ea00122a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1227252439.2574979.1468424058495.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Don - thanks for the info, helpful. 73Paul From: Don Wilhelm To: KC2NYU ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses Paul, If you are completely comfortable with mouse tuning and Win4K3, then you may not find any advantage for the K-Pod. I do not like mouse tuning, and am more comfortable with a tuning knob. Having the knob next to the keyboard is especially nice if you are mainly using the keyboard - you do not have to move very far from the keyboard to get to the knob.? The K-Pod can be placed either to the left or right of the keyboard. The buttons on the K-Pod can activate up to 16 K3 macros.? K3 Utility now allows 16 macros to be created/edited and stored in the K3. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/13/2016 11:07 AM, KC2NYU via Elecraft wrote: > I am trying to decide on ordering the K-Pod but struggling to sort out the > possible overlap between the K-Pod, and using a Genovation keypad or a > software suite like Win4K3. Using the keypad in conjunction with a P3 allows > me to activate many macros with the touch of one key. I also can program > many macros in Win4K3 as well as perform almost any K3 button or knob > function and change the VFO's with the touch of a mouse. > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 13 13:06:49 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> I hope you meant much less than 1 dB. On 7/13/2016 1:49 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > > Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your other comments: > > 1. Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses ... they > will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of ground conductivity > determine far field pattern (given a particular profile) no matter what kind > of radials he uses. > > 2. If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, it will be > much more than 1 db. > > Dave AB7E > From kh2tj at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 13 13:24:22 2016 From: kh2tj at sbcglobal.net (Todd) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:24:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57867946.3050701@sbcglobal.net> Jeff, I'd like to hear/see the advantages as well. I've been using a batteryspace.com battery for the past 4 years now on many SOTA activations, a handful of NPOTA activations, and just all around out in the field operating. I have two 10W roll up solar panels fed into the buddipole charge controller and seems to work. I also just picked up Bioenno's 12V 6ah LiFePO4 battery to accompany this set up. I'll be up in Glacier Nat'l Park later this week for some NPOTA fun! David: What caveats? If you don't mind sharing off list? Thanks. 73, Todd KH2TJ David Corsello wrote: > My goal was extended, off-grid, portable capability with LiFePO4 and solar > charging. I believe I have achieved this with the Bioenno 4.5 Ah battery, > PowerFilm R28 rollable solar panel and Genasun GV-5 solar charge > controller. (This combination works, but there are some caveats that I > won't get into now.) > > > Jeff, for my education would you please explain the advantages of using a > balancing charger with a non-self-balancing battery over using a > non-balancing, LiFePO4-compatible charger with a self-balancing battery? > > --Dave > > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed Jul 13 13:29:19 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <57861C0F.2010400@comcast.net> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <57861C0F.2010400@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi, Brian. I have no idea how or to what extent terrain affects a vertically polarized signal. I am, however, pretty certain that if it does at all it would be worth more than 1 db. That's just the nature of proximity effects in general. I suspect that one possible effect of sloping ground for a vertical antenna might be to move the lossy environment to where it has less effect on the signal (i.e., lower), and that might be more significant with poor soil conductivity than with good conductivity. It seems reasonable to me to imagine that the pattern for sloping ground would shift at least to some minor extent toward that of a free space pattern, but I'm pretty sure that ON4UN and others have far more insight into this than I do. I've always wished we had a version of HFTA that handled vertically polarized antennas ... that would probably be enlightening. I've also tried on occasion to use EZNEC+ for the same purpose since it allows you to specify at least two different zones around the antenna, but I didn't have much success with that. I'm one of those who had quite good luck with roof mounted verticals, but it's hard to say whether any improvement (if there was one) was the result of distance from lossy ground or simply the ability to shoot over lossy surrounding structures like trees and houses. I do think it is more than "folklore" that elevated radials have benefits over in-ground radials unless the in-ground radial system is reasonably extensive. There have been some pretty decent studies on that. But again, it is important to keep separate the effect of radials on feedpoint return loss from the effect of ground on radiation pattern. Radials reduce feedpoint loss but have minimal effect on radiation pattern unless you are able to go out several wavelengths. On the other hand, the conductivity of the ground has much less effect on return loss than a decent radial system, but it is the ONLY determinant of far field radiation pattern (other than whatever effect the terrain profile itself may have). 73, Dave AB7E On 7/13/2016 3:46 AM, brian wrote: > Hi Dave. > > Care to comment on how much benefit vertically polarized antennas > might gain from terrain sloping away from vertical? > > For horizontally polarized antennas, where ground reflection gain is > up to 6 dB, the sloping terrain can lower the effective take off angle > a lot- 10's of degrees. There was a program called YTAD that > estimated this effect in one dimension. It's results were quite > enlightening. > > Vertical antennas have no ground reflection gain. Would one then > expect sloping terrain NOT to alter their already low take off angle > much? On the other hand, folklore seems to indicate a benefit of roof > top verticals with their "elevated" radials over ground mounted > verticals with elevated radials/or in ground radials. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > On 7/13/2016 8:49 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your other >> comments: >> >> 1. Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses ... >> they will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of ground >> conductivity determine far field pattern (given a particular profile) no >> matter what kind of radials he uses. >> >> 2. If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, it >> will be much more than 1 db. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> On 7/12/2016 3:49 PM, Craig Smith wrote: >>> Ted ? >>> >>> I think you are overstating the coax losses. Even stock RG-11 should >>> be perhaps 0.3 dB/100ft on 80 meters - around 1.5 dB for the 500 ft. >>> run. >>> >>> Even so, I would probably gravitate toward the closer location. With >>> the elevated radials, the effects of the ground conductivity should be >>> minimal. Not sure if ON4UNs data assume elevated radials or many >>> on-ground radials. It could be that his estimate of the sloping >>> ground advantage is for the later. With the closer location, you >>> will have perhaps 1 dB stronger signal in all directions because of >>> the lower feedline loss. >>> >>> 73 Craig AC0DS >> >> _ a From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed Jul 13 13:38:35 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> Message-ID: No, I didn't mean that. If sloping ground improves radiation pattern, it's going to be worth more than 1 db. Pattern changes of any sort typically have significant effect, whereas one db is almost trivial (notwithstanding my own experiments on that on my website). I'm not saying that sloping ground actually has a significant effect ... only that if it has any effect at all it is likely to be greater than 1 db. Dave AB7E On 7/13/2016 10:06 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I hope you meant much less than 1 dB. > > On 7/13/2016 1:49 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your other >> comments: >> >> 1. Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses >> ... they will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of >> ground conductivity determine far field pattern (given a particular >> profile) no matter what kind of radials he uses. >> >> 2. If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, it >> will be much more than 1 db. >> >> Dave AB7E >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From dl1sdz at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 13:42:41 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:42:41 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3] [Kx2] CW-Machine as logger Message-ID: Hi, 1. my handwriting is bad 2. and I hate to struggle transfering databases of a CW-Logging program between different computers. 3. On the other hand I would miss to look up calls I have already worked. 4. We have so fine machines that it is a pitty that we have to work with big computers just to log some QSOs. So I ran over the CW-Machine from Ulrich N2DE (Begali) which seems to fit, but although reports were good, the youtube presentations left me biased. Has someone out there hands on experience with the CW-Machine as a logging device? Or has anybody developed a little box (Pi, Arduino, ... without a jungle of cables) which could be connected with the Kxx and a Keyboard to gather QSO-Data? Of course a genuine solution from Elecraft would be the best thing, but as long as it is not on the market, there will be silence ;-) ?73 de? Hajo ? DL1SDZ? --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Jul 13 13:58:10 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:58:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <57861C0F.2010400@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Wed,7/13/2016 10:29 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > I have no idea how or to what extent terrain affects a vertically > polarized signal. I am, however, pretty certain that if it does at > all it would be worth more than 1 db. N6BT presented excellent experimental work on the effect of terrain on vertically polarized antennas as his contribution to the Pacificon Antenna forum last fall. He's been working on vertical dipoles for several years now. This experiment included setting one up at various locations on a broad knoll with drop-offs in most directions. He made some measurements of vertical pattern using a drone, and also used the antennas at those various locations to make contacts on the air. As I recall, he was operating on 20M, but I could be wrong about that. The antenna location near a dropoff in the direction of SA yielded QSOs with SA, but none with JA. A location near a dropoff in the direction of JA yielded JA QSOs but no SA. And a setup in the center of the knoll, relatively far from the dropoffs yielded no QSOs with SA or JA. And his measurements with the drone showed vertical radiation increasing below 0 degrees in the direction of the dropoff. > I've always wished we had a version of HFTA that handled vertically > polarized antennas ... that would probably be enlightening. I've also > tried on occasion to use EZNEC+ for the same purpose since it allows > you to specify at least two different zones around the antenna, but I > didn't have much success with that. The interaction of vertically and horizontally polarized signals with ground is quite different, so the math is quite different. Among other things, a primary determinant of ground interaction with vertical antennas is soil conductivity in the far field (that is, at the point of interaction). Height is also a factor. With horizontal antennas, soil conductivity is essentially insignificant, and the primary determinants are height and the elevation profile. > > I'm one of those who had quite good luck with roof mounted verticals, > but it's hard to say whether any improvement (if there was one) was > the result of distance from lossy ground or simply the ability to > shoot over lossy surrounding structures like trees and houses. See my NEC study on this, which is in line with your observations. When I presented this material to an NCCC meeting a few years ago, the OT hams with solid engineering background were nodding their heads in agreement. http://k9yc.com/AntennaPlanning.pdf http://k9yc.com/VerticalHeight.pdf > I do think it is more than "folklore" that elevated radials have > benefits over in-ground radials unless the in-ground radial system is > reasonably extensive. There have been some pretty decent studies on > that. Yep. N6LF has done lots of excellent work, which is on his website. http://www.antennasbyn6lf.com/ I've used part of his work in my applications note/tutorial on antennas for 160M. http://k9yc.com/160MPacificon.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From johnbsaxon at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 14:08:43 2016 From: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com (John Saxon) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna References: <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I want to start giving 6m a try, since my K3 is the first rig I have had that covers 6m. ?Recently I read an article describing a homebrew 6m dipole. ?The author had constructed a simple dipole using aluminum flat stock and rods, along with some u-bolts. ?I can not for the life of me find that article. ?I think it was recent and I was hoping some one out there also saw it and can remind my aging brain where I saw it. ?I have checked recent QSTs and ERs to no avail, although I certainly could have missed it. Thank you for the bandwidth,JohnK5ENQ From valvetbone at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 14:16:34 2016 From: valvetbone at gmail.com (Art Hejduk) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna In-Reply-To: <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, Not sure if this is what you meant, but take a look at this. http://www.hamuniverse.com/6mdipolekk5id.html 73, Art WB8ENE On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:08 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I want to start giving 6m a try, since my K3 is the first rig I have had > that covers 6m. Recently I read an article describing a homebrew 6m > dipole. The author had constructed a simple dipole using aluminum flat > stock and rods, along with some u-bolts. I can not for the life of me find > that article. I think it was recent and I was hoping some one out there > also saw it and can remind my aging brain where I saw it. I have checked > recent QSTs and ERs to no avail, although I certainly could have missed it. > Thank you for the bandwidth,JohnK5ENQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to valvetbone at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Jul 13 14:21:00 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:21:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna In-Reply-To: <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed,7/13/2016 11:08 AM, John Saxon via Elecraft wrote: > Recently I read an article describing a homebrew 6m dipole. The author had constructed a simple dipole using aluminum flat stock and rods, along with some u-bolts. I can not for the life of me find that article. Don't worry about finding that article -- it's purely a mechanical design problem. A dipole can be rigged in lots of ways. Compute element lengths from the ARRL Handbook, making them a few percent shorter if the elements are larger than #12 wire. 73, Jim K9YC From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 14:29:58 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:29:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... Message-ID: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> But maybe phrased another way. I'm just a few years into HAM with a General license, and continuing to explore CW, contesting, digital, etc., using my Yaesu FT-897D. The major upsides for the KX3 vs K3S are portability and cost - a Full Monty K3S-100/P3 vs Full Monty KX3/PX3/KXPA100 is about $4300 vs $9000. With either hooked up to my G5RV 102' dipole on my shack bench, in what operating uses would I see little to no difference, and which operating uses would I see progressively more shortcomings for the KX3? No good options to markedly upgrade the antenna (no tower options and antenna only in the woods), so looking for rig-to-rig comparisons. No plans to push >100W near-term, if ever. Thanks for your patience in yet another X vs Y question. BRET/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-KX3-vs-K3S-Query-tp7620068.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Wed Jul 13 14:45:35 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:45:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna In-Reply-To: References: <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1972435225.2593730.1468433323937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <876f4a11-b47e-56d5-e08c-2763d277b4a7@subich.com> On 7/13/2016 2:21 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Don't worry about finding that article -- it's purely a mechanical > design problem. Absolutely ... a much easier design is a non-metallic conduit box with cover, a couple of fittings, a 10' piece of 1/2" or 3/4" *aluminum* conduit, a dowel that will fit into the conduit snugly and a couple U-bolts to fit whatever mast you're using. If the mast is bigger than 1.25" you may want to dispense with the conduit box and use half or a quarter of a cheap HDPE cutting board with a pair of U-bolts to fit the outside of the conduit. However, everything for the conduit box version is typically available at your local Home Depot or Lowes. The same general construction could be used for 10 and 12 meters except I would stick to 3/4" conduit and it will take two pieces. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From idarack at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 14:47:01 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:47:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Message-ID: My K-Pod arrived on Monday and I am currently working on building Macros. When I tap the F1 function key on the K-Pod it reads macro 09 on the K3S; when I hold the F1 key, it reads macro 01 on the K3S. All the the function keys seem to behaving the same. For example, tapping F4 = macro 12, while holding F4 = macro 04. When I write a macro using either SWT (tap function) or SWH (hold function) for the K3S, and write to the K3S using the K3 Utility, the macro runs correctly on the K3S. Its just the Tap and Hold on the K-Pod seem to be reversed? Should tapping the F1 key on the K-Pod = macro 01 on the K3S, etc? Or was this how it was designed? It seems to reversed from how the keys on the K3S and P3 behave. Thanks, Irwin KD3TB -- Irwin KD3TB From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 13 15:03:55 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:03:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> Message-ID: <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> Ok, but I'm unclear about what "improves radiation pattern" means. To paraphrase your other premise, "I'm not sure if it does or doesn't but if it does, I'm sure it's big" has me wondering. But I wonder about a lot of things... On 7/13/2016 10:38 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > > No, I didn't mean that. > > If sloping ground improves radiation pattern, it's going to be worth more than > 1 db. Pattern changes of any sort typically have significant effect, whereas > one db is almost trivial (notwithstanding my own experiments on that on my > website). I'm not saying that sloping ground actually has a significant > effect ... only that if it has any effect at all it is likely to be greater > than 1 db. > > Dave AB7E > > > > On 7/13/2016 10:06 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I hope you meant much less than 1 dB. >> >> On 7/13/2016 1:49 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your other comments: >>> >>> 1. Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses ... they >>> will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of ground >>> conductivity determine far field pattern (given a particular profile) no >>> matter what kind of radials he uses. >>> >>> 2. If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, it will be >>> much more than 1 db. >>> >>> Dave AB7E From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Wed Jul 13 15:07:02 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:07:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses In-Reply-To: <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I am using both the 48 key Genovation and the K-pod. Everything to do with tuning is on the K-pod along with a mute macro also. All other things are on the keypad - including direct frequency entry, some operational macros, and a few net frequencies. I only touch the K3 when turning on/off. Bill W2BLC K-Line From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Wed Jul 13 15:08:20 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses In-Reply-To: <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Forgot to mention: No need of a computer when running the K3 (except when programming the key pad). Bill W2BLC K-Line From riese-k3djc at juno.com Wed Jul 13 15:13:39 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:13:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna Message-ID: geezs google 6 meter dipole cut a piece of wire to length and tape to a piece of plastic water pipe or just string up a dipole as high as you can get it favor east / west to cover Europe etc have fun Bob K3DJC On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:08:43 +0000 (UTC) John Saxon via Elecraft writes: > I want to start giving 6m a try, since my K3 is the first rig I have > had that covers 6m. Recently I read an article describing a > homebrew 6m dipole. The author had constructed a simple dipole > using aluminum flat stock and rods, along with some u-bolts. I can > not for the life of me find that article. I think it was recent > and I was hoping some one out there also saw it and can remind my > aging brain where I saw it. I have checked recent QSTs and ERs to > no avail, although I certainly could have missed it. > Thank you for the bandwidth,JohnK5ENQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed Jul 13 16:24:56 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:24:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> Message-ID: Lowering takeoff angle. Regarding the other part, I've stated it as clearly as I can about three times now. If you disagree or can't follow the point, I don't think anything else I might say will change that. 73, Dave AB7E On 7/13/2016 12:03 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Ok, but I'm unclear about what "improves radiation pattern" means. To > paraphrase your other premise, "I'm not sure if it does or doesn't but > if it does, I'm sure it's big" has me wondering. But I wonder about a > lot of things... > > > On 7/13/2016 10:38 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> No, I didn't mean that. >> >> If sloping ground improves radiation pattern, it's going to be worth >> more than 1 db. Pattern changes of any sort typically have >> significant effect, whereas one db is almost trivial (notwithstanding >> my own experiments on that on my website). I'm not saying that >> sloping ground actually has a significant effect ... only that if it >> has any effect at all it is likely to be greater than 1 db. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> On 7/13/2016 10:06 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> I hope you meant much less than 1 dB. >>> >>> On 7/13/2016 1:49 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >>>> >>>> Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your >>>> other comments: >>>> >>>> 1. Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses >>>> ... they will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of >>>> ground conductivity determine far field pattern (given a particular >>>> profile) no matter what kind of radials he uses. >>>> >>>> 2. If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, >>>> it will be much more than 1 db. >>>> >>>> Dave AB7E > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 16:43:48 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> Message-ID: <264332224.3333293.1468442628332.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> On a slightly different take, controlling the vertical pattern, ie minimizing the minor lobes, will have a significant effect on gain as the major lobe now gets all of the energy.? Elevated radials have more to do in establishing the actual TOA above ground.? This is not easy.? Try modelling the vertical with radials in free space and see the TOA move around and the minor lobes move with the angle of the radials away for 90 degrees.? When you have the TOA where you want it, move the antenna to somewhere AGL and watch the pattern.? The ground losses will now start to absorb the lower portion of the major lobe.? The result will always be a higher TOA unless over VERY conductive ground.? Mel, K6KBE From: David Gilbert To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses Lowering takeoff angle. Regarding the other part, I've stated it as clearly as I can about three times now.? If you disagree or can't follow the point, I don't think anything else I might say will change that. 73, Dave? AB7E On 7/13/2016 12:03 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Ok, but I'm unclear about what "improves radiation pattern" means. To > paraphrase your other premise, "I'm not sure if it does or doesn't but > if it does, I'm sure it's big" has me wondering.? But I wonder about a > lot of things... > > > On 7/13/2016 10:38 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> No, I didn't mean that. >> >> If sloping ground improves radiation pattern, it's going to be worth >> more than 1 db.? Pattern changes of any sort typically have >> significant effect, whereas one db is almost trivial (notwithstanding >> my own experiments on that on my website).? I'm not saying that >> sloping ground actually has a significant effect ... only that if it >> has any effect at all it is likely to be greater than 1 db. >> >> Dave? AB7E >> >> >> >> On 7/13/2016 10:06 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> I hope you meant much less than 1 dB. >>> >>> On 7/13/2016 1:49 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >>>> >>>> Agree on the coax losses, but totally disagree on both of your >>>> other comments: >>>> >>>> 1.? Elevated radials will ONLY help reduce near field ground losses >>>> ... they will do nothing to help radiation pattern. The effects of >>>> ground conductivity determine far field pattern (given a particular >>>> profile) no matter what kind of radials he uses. >>>> >>>> 2.? If there is any gain benefit from the terrain profile at all, >>>> it will be much more than 1 db. >>>> >>>> Dave? AB7E > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From ron at cobi.biz Wed Jul 13 16:45:15 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:45:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002e01d1dd47$75d0f4e0$6172dea0$@biz> Start with 9.4 feet of wire. That should be a bit "long" considering the loading effect of the support, nearby objects, etc. Open the radiator at the middle and connect 50 ohm coax. (Yes you can use a transformer - "balun" - but don't bother.) Check SWR and shorten the wire until you get the lowest SWR mid-band (or middle of your favorite part of the band). If it's attached to a piece of plastic tube or similar, just fold back the ends bit by bit to shorten. The folded bits just look like slightly thicker wire to the RF. The same approach works on *any* band although on the lower bands where the length gets quite long it's easier to string the dipole between two supports such as trees, etc. Of course you can do that on 6 meters too if it is easier. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:08:43 +0000 (UTC) John Saxon via Elecraft writes: > I want to start giving 6m a try, since my K3 is the first rig I have > had that covers 6m. Recently I read an article describing a homebrew > 6m dipole. The author had constructed a simple dipole using aluminum > flat stock and rods, along with some u-bolts. I can not for the life > of me find that article. I think it was recent and I was hoping some > one out there also saw it and can remind my aging brain where I saw > it. I have checked recent QSTs and ERs to no avail, although I > certainly could have missed it. > Thank you for the bandwidth,JohnK5ENQ From ron at cobi.biz Wed Jul 13 16:51:04 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:51:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01d1dd48$45e9a960$d1bcfc20$@biz> It is correct. Hold F1 through F8 launches the macros in locations 1 through 8 while tapping F1 through F8 launches the macros in locations 9 through 16. (Don't ask me why. I'm just the messenger ;-) 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Irwin Darack Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod My K-Pod arrived on Monday and I am currently working on building Macros. When I tap the F1 function key on the K-Pod it reads macro 09 on the K3S; when I hold the F1 key, it reads macro 01 on the K3S. All the the function keys seem to behaving the same. For example, tapping F4 = macro 12, while holding F4 = macro 04. When I write a macro using either SWT (tap function) or SWH (hold function) for the K3S, and write to the K3S using the K3 Utility, the macro runs correctly on the K3S. Its just the Tap and Hold on the K-Pod seem to be reversed? Should tapping the F1 key on the K-Pod = macro 01 on the K3S, etc? Or was this how it was designed? It seems to reversed from how the keys on the K3S and P3 behave. Thanks, Irwin KD3TB -- Irwin KD3TB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From W1ie at jetbroadband.com Wed Jul 13 17:10:50 2016 From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:10:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question Message-ID: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Greetings all, Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? Best regards, Jerry, W1IE From lladerman at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 17:21:59 2016 From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:21:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1468444919376-7620079.post@n2.nabble.com> When I put the KPOD rocker switch in the RIT/XIT mode, unless I press the RIT or XIT switch on my K3S but turning the knob does nothing. That's not surprising, but is there anyway to control RIT and XIT on/off on the KPOD - without writing a macro? Shouldn't that be built into the firmware? Lou, W0FK ----- St. Louis, MO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPOD-RIT-XIT-tp7619879p7620079.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kf0ur at radins.us Wed Jul 13 17:21:00 2016 From: kf0ur at radins.us (Shel Radin KF0UR) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:21:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3] [Kx2] CW-Machine as logger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1468444860519-7620078.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Hajo, You may want to consider a product from QRPworks. The SideKar and Ham Central Terminal are made to work with the KX3, KX2, K3, and K3S. It talks to the KX3 using one cable (provided) and has a logger for 1000 QSOs. I use it all the time activating a national park here for NPOTA. - it automatically fills in the freq., mode, date, and time - if you enter a call to be used in messages (auto-insertion), the call will automatically be populated in the log - you can export the log and create an ADIF file on a PC or Mac with the free software provided. - the log has features for Field Day (dupe checking), SOTA, and any other event. - it's low current and sunlight readable The full manuals are available at www.QRPworks.com. 73, Shel KF0UR QRPworks -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Kx3-Kx2-CW-Machine-as-logger-tp7620063p7620078.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jbastin at sssnet.com Wed Jul 13 17:28:57 2016 From: jbastin at sssnet.com (John E Bastin) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:28:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? Short answer: No. From the KAT500 manual: "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? Hope this helps, 73, John K8AJS jbastin at sssnet.com From lladerman at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 17:42:38 2016 From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:42:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: <1468444919376-7620079.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> <1468444919376-7620079.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468446158621-7620081.post@n2.nabble.com> W0FK wrote > When I put the KPOD rocker switch in the RIT/XIT mode, unless I press the > RIT or XIT switch on my K3S turning the knob does nothing. That's not > surprising, but is there anyway to control RIT and XIT on/off on the KPOD > - without writing a macro? Shouldn't that be built into the firmware? > > Lou, W0FK I semi-answered my own question. I programmed the RIT and XIT to toggle on/off as follows: RIT - Macro 14 (tap F6) use SWT45; XIT - Macro 15 (tap F7) use SWT47; Seems to me that a dedicated/labeled swith setting woulf be better. ----- St. Louis, MO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPOD-RIT-XIT-tp7619879p7620081.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lladerman at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 17:50:57 2016 From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:50:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, In-Reply-To: <20160712140948.069A1CE425E@mailman.qth.net> References: <00BF7887-84CD-48EE-9D40-7CFB06683B50@elecraft.com> <02dd01d1dbb5$21998dd0$64cca970$@co.uk> <00db01d1dbd6$99b97ed0$cd2c7c70$@n7us.net> <20160712140948.069A1CE425E@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <1468446657537-7620082.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm using the following: RIT toggle on/off - SWT45; XIT toggle on/off - SWT47; Toggle between course and fine (.XX) tuning - SWH49; Although I'm not using it, if you want to toggle between fine (.XX) and "superfine" (.XXX) - SWT49; Lou, W0FK ----- St. Louis, MO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Now-that-the-K-Pod-is-shipping-we-could-use-your-help-with-useful-macros-tp7619773p7620082.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Wed Jul 13 17:51:08 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:51:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with K2? In-Reply-To: <43aea55b-c97e-468a-3b2d-974613843e97@nilza.org> References: <20160713001806.379dfc8c@desktop-1.home> <43aea55b-c97e-468a-3b2d-974613843e97@nilza.org> Message-ID: <1468446668848-7620083.post@n2.nabble.com> The QRP shop IF buffer amplifier looks spot on, but does anyone have any experience with it? The information is a bit sparse, but says "Small Kit do provide the K2 with a buffered IF Output. Installation with or without Noiseblanker possible. " It seems like it fits in the connector of the noise blanker - but how it does that when a noise blanker is already plugged in is not so clear from this brief description. Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote > How about this one? > > https://sage-shop.com/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Products/Vk2zfadapterBest%C3%BCckt > > A K2 IF adapter kit from QRP shop > https://sage-shop.com/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/ > > ?? > > 73, tom w7sua ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-with-K2-tp7620046p7620083.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wa6nhc at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 17:54:43 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:54:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: But you can via the utility, if that can apply to your needs. Rick nhc On 7/13/2016 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: > On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > Short answer: No. > > From the KAT500 manual: > > "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? > > Hope this helps, > > 73, > > John K8AJS > jbastin at sssnet.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From w6vyred at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 18:07:41 2016 From: w6vyred at gmail.com (Robert Dorchuck) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:07:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: Hi Mike, I don't know where the 3 SQ-FT comes from. US Tower does not publish ratings for the MA series any longer. I have had an MA-40 since 1982 and at that time the rating was 10 SQ-FT @ 50 MPH winds fully extended. I have confirmed this with US Tower in the past. I was also told at that time that they do not rate the tower retracted. There have been some new regulations concerning tower ratings in the past couple which is probably why they do not list it now. I have had a 3 Element SteppIR on this tower since 2006. The HRO website still lists the rating at 10 SQ-FT. That being said, I do retract the tower if winds of 50 MPH are predicted or if I am leaving for any length of time. My base is 3 X 3 X 5 which was recommended at that time and I have the drawings for that. I think the 3 SQ is indicating the size of the extended portion which is 3 inches square. Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:01:47 -0700 (MST) From: Mike K2MK To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID:<1468407707184-7620050.post at n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Terry, I'm moving and I've just sold my MA40 with the MARB40 tilt over/rotator base. It's a fine tower for small loads. Be careful, it's only rated at 3sqft load when the tower is cranked down to the 21 foot level. I had a 2 element SteppIR yagi on it and I would crank it down if winds over 20 or 30 mph were forecasted. Cranking it up and down is very easy on the arm. It cranks easily but requires 100 cranks. Tilting it over and cranking it down and back up requires much greater effort until the mast is at the 45 degree angle. I would have liked to have a power driven winch for that operation. The foundation for this mast is substantial with lots of rebar. I'm selling my house and just had the top 12" of concrete removed so that I could replace it with grass. It took a crew longer to remove the 12" then it did for the crew to dig and pour the foundation in the first place. I'm thankful I didn't have to any of the work. This mast can actually be handled by one person if you have moderate equipment to help. I had a wheeled lawn cart for rolling it around and a Harbor Freight 1 ton shop crane for taking it off of the flat bed delivery truck and helping to engage and dis-engage the mast into the MRB40 unit. With two people it's a very simple job. All of my experiences were good and given the opportunity I would not hesitate to purchase another one. I have a personal website with lots of photos. Contact me directly if you want the link. k2mk at comcast dot net 73, Mike K2MK From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Jul 13 18:07:59 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:07:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> Message-ID: <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,7/13/2016 12:03 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Ok, but I'm unclear about what "improves radiation pattern" means. Wes, Take a look at the links I posted to my NEC studies. There can be no doubt as to the meaning of "improves radiation pattern." BTW -- I do NOT agree that elevated radials have much to do with establishing the take-off angle. AND, more to the point, I view take-off angle as absolutely the wrong way to look at the vertical pattern of an antenna. A FAR better approach is the one I used in those antenna planning applications notes, for which I posted links a few hours ago. 73, Jim K9YC From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Wed Jul 13 18:14:34 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:14:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower In-Reply-To: <1468407707184-7620050.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <016301d1dbdb$c5669450$5033bcf0$@comcast.net> <1468407707184-7620050.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8DD31E60-3310-4B7B-AD2A-14AD5554087A@ecsecurityinc.com> I would be interested in the website / picture from anyone on this thread. I was given an older Wilson version of the MA40, and am working on the install now. Any advice or input would be appreciated. Niel WA7SSA Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 05:01, Mike K2MK wrote: > > Hi Terry, > > I'm moving and I've just sold my MA40 with the MARB40 tilt over/rotator > base. It's a fine tower for small loads. Be careful, it's only rated at > 3sqft load when the tower is cranked down to the 21 foot level. I had a 2 > element SteppIR yagi on it and I would crank it down if winds over 20 or 30 > mph were forecasted. > > Cranking it up and down is very easy on the arm. It cranks easily but > requires 100 cranks. Tilting it over and cranking it down and back up > requires much greater effort until the mast is at the 45 degree angle. I > would have liked to have a power driven winch for that operation. > > The foundation for this mast is substantial with lots of rebar. I'm selling > my house and just had the top 12" of concrete removed so that I could > replace it with grass. It took a crew longer to remove the 12" then it did > for the crew to dig and pour the foundation in the first place. I'm thankful > I didn't have to any of the work. > > This mast can actually be handled by one person if you have moderate > equipment to help. I had a wheeled lawn cart for rolling it around and a > Harbor Freight 1 ton shop crane for taking it off of the flat bed delivery > truck and helping to engage and dis-engage the mast into the MRB40 unit. > With two people it's a very simple job. All of my experiences were good and > given the opportunity I would not hesitate to purchase another one. > > I have a personal website with lots of photos. Contact me directly if you > want the link. > k2mk at comcast dot net > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Terry Brown wrote >> Hello all, >> >> I am the owner if a K2, KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I have been a ham since >> 1982, and love my Elecraft gear. I have a question for the group. I am >> moving from my current QTH in Corvallis, OR after 30 years. Currently I >> have a Rohn 25 based tower that is about 35 feet above my flat roof. On >> the >> tower is a tri-band Cushcraft ATB-34 and 2m/440 comet antennas. The beam >> and tower date from the time I became a ham. >> >> I am building a new home in an established neighborhood in West Salem, >> Oregon. The CCRs have expired, so I am not restricted from a tower setup. >> My new QTH is high in the west hills of Salem. The view to the east is >> amazing as the ground slopes away. To the west, the terrain has a slight >> rise. I am 68 yrs. old. I don't want to have to climb a tower again. >> My >> home will be two stories with the garage level under it. The peak of my >> roof will be about 34 ft. above grade. My new tower location will be >> about >> 32 feet from grade to the peak of the roof. The roofline will run N-S >> with >> the tower on the west side of the house. >> >> I have decided to purchase a new smaller lightweight crankup tower and a >> smaller tribander such as the Mosley TA-33 JR-N or NW. I have seen the >> US >> Towers MA-40, a 20-41ft. crankup as one type. It comes with a tilt over >> base add-on which would allow me to service the antenna from the ground. >> This particular two section tower can crank down to 20 ft., thus not being >> visible from the street east of the house. It's max height is 41 ft. >> which >> would put the antenna only 9-10 ft. above the roofline when transmitting >> to >> the East. I want to put a winch on the tower so I don't have to >> physically >> crank it up by hand as I get older. With this background I have two >> questions: >> >> 1. Will the yagi attached to the tower with only 9-10 ft. height above >> the roofline (41 ft. tower) be an effective radiator and receive antenna >> on >> 20-15-10 meter bands to the East? Being on the West Coast, this will be >> the >> direction of most of my mainland US contacts. To the N-W-S, the antenna >> will be 41 ft. above the ground, so no problem. >> >> 2. I am not committed to any particular crankup tower. The US Tower is >> just the one I have seen on the internet. I would be interested in any >> lighterweight fold over crank up tower up to 50 ft. I think a tubular >> constructed type tower would be my preference due to weight of >> installation. >> A triangular designed crankup may be ok, too. >> >> I know I can have a larger tower and antenna, but I want my setup to be >> neighbor friendly. I am not a contester, and will never operate over 100 >> watts. It is nice to be able to work a station if I can hear it. I also >> want the advantage of a horizontally polarized antenna with gain. I have >> been spoiled with that setup over the years. >> >> Just as an aside, my other antenna is a horizontal loop about 250 ft. in >> length that I use for all the other bands. It is up about 30 ft. >> suspended >> from the trees in my current QTH. I feed it with 450 ohm ladder into a >> 4:1 >> balun to coax. At my new QTH, we will plant two contained planters with >> 20 >> or 30 ft. bamboo on the SW and NW corners of my property where I can put a >> vertical pipe for two supports, then use the peak of my roof on the N and >> S >> side at 34 Ft. for my NE and SE contact points for my other two corners >> for >> my horizontal loop. I will feed it with the same 450 ohm ladder from the >> NE >> corner. I really like my horizontal loop because it is so quiet being >> horizontally polarized. My current one works great so I want the same >> thing >> for my new QTH. >> >> I look forward to getting some great input from this group. I have been >> amazed at the level of quality information I have seen on this group. >> >> Thanks in advance to you all. >> 73's, >> Terry Brown, N7TB > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Need-advice-on-Small-Tower-tp7619982p7620050.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com > From tom at nilza.org Wed Jul 13 18:18:24 2016 From: tom at nilza.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:18:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with K2? In-Reply-To: <1468446668848-7620083.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <20160713001806.379dfc8c@desktop-1.home> <43aea55b-c97e-468a-3b2d-974613843e97@nilza.org> <1468446668848-7620083.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2c0f6a0d-409c-ff8c-c27a-9d9bfeb872a3@nilza.org> Good question. I ordered one and will find out when I try to put it in. I could find no instructions but have not written back to see if they have any. 73, tom w7sua On 7/13/2016 2:51 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > The QRP shop IF buffer amplifier looks spot on, but does anyone have any > experience with it? The information is a bit sparse, but says "Small Kit do > provide the K2 with a buffered IF Output. Installation with or without > Noiseblanker possible. " > > It seems like it fits in the connector of the noise blanker - but how it > does that when a noise blanker is already plugged in is not so clear from > this brief description. > > > > Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote >> How about this one? >> >> https://sage-shop.com/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Products/Vk2zfadapterBest%C3%BCckt >> >> A K2 IF adapter kit from QRP shop >> https://sage-shop.com/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/ >> >> ?? >> >> 73, tom w7sua > > > > > > ----- > Sverre, LA3ZA > > K2 #2198, K3 #3391, > LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, > LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-with-K2-tp7620046p7620083.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tom at w7sua.org > > From mwdink at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 18:33:23 2016 From: mwdink at yahoo.com (Michael Dinkelman) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 and the mouse wheel References: <693724326.2984780.1468449203732.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <693724326.2984780.1468449203732.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I know this is the Elecraft reflector but it seems to be a de-facto Win4K3? site as well.Been trying out the Win4K3 demo (which I heard about here).? My mouse/trackball pointer wheels don't seem to have much effect. If I spin them really fast, sometimes something moves a bit. This effect is the same in the spectrum window (incremental tuning)? or the control window (changing a frequency number). Yes I know the steps in the spectrum window can be changed. If I change it to bigger steps, the excessive spinning of the mouse wheel is still required, it just jumps further when the program finally recognizes? the wheel moved. Anybody else seen something similar? I use a trackball but an ol'? fashioned mouse acts the same. cheersdink, n7wa From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 18:33:32 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:33:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] RX Ant Out? Message-ID: The KE7X book on the K3 covers numerous options on this and many other details about the K3. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP ElecraftCovers at gmail.com On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Thanks all. You've given me good ideas. > > 73 > > Jim ab3cv > > On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:02 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > > I can't figure out what RX Ant Out does. The K3s users manual is pretty > sparse in it's description. > > It appears that the "normal" e.g. Ant1/2 is presented to RX Ant Out when > the RX antenna is selected. > > If that is the case then could RX Ant Out be fed to Aux In? > > That would make the TX Ant the Aux antenna and would allow for diversity > using this on the Sub RX while RX Ant is going to the Main RX. > > Am I missing something? (probably...) > > jim ab3cv > > From W1ie at jetbroadband.com Wed Jul 13 18:40:25 2016 From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:40:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: <001d01d1dd57$8c34aa50$a49dfef0$@com> Thanks Rick and John, I asked the question because I have just bought the K3/0 Mini remote and I would like to be able to turn ON and OFF the KAT500 when I am about 1 thousand miles away. I know that I can do control the on.off on the KPA500 by connecting the 8 pin line on the 15 pin ACC connector on the KPA500 to pin 11, I was hoping that there would be an undocumented way for the KAT500. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question But you can via the utility, if that can apply to your needs. Rick nhc On 7/13/2016 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: > On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > Short answer: No. > > From the KAT500 manual: > > "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? > > Hope this helps, > > 73, > > John K8AJS > jbastin at sssnet.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wa6nhc at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ie at jetbroadband.com From johnbsaxon at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 18:41:25 2016 From: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com (John Saxon) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <902434128.2709709.1468449685583.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Many thanks for all the nice responses. I didn't give the background of my request...I have built lotsa wire dipoles. ?However I wanted to build a rigid 6m dipole. ?And if someone else has done it with accompanying explanation and diagram, I can build it without having to think...always a good thing for me ?:-) Thanks to all,JohnK5ENQ From: "riese-k3djc at juno.com" To: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna geezs? google 6 meter dipole cut a piece of wire to length and tape to a piece of plastic water pipe or just string up a dipole as high as you can get it favor east / west to cover Europe etc have fun Bob K3DJC From W1ie at jetbroadband.com Wed Jul 13 18:44:04 2016 From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: <002101d1dd58$0ee7ae20$2cb70a60$@com> Thinking about the answers already received, allow me to ask the question in a different manner. Is it possible to control the KAT500 power on\off via programming macros in the K3 PF2 button? Best regards, Jerry, W1IE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John E Bastin Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:29 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? Short answer: No. >From the KAT500 manual: "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? Hope this helps, 73, John K8AJS jbastin at sssnet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ie at jetbroadband.com From w4grj at satterfield.org Wed Jul 13 18:48:27 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:48:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question Message-ID: I leave my ?kat500 on 24/7JackW4GRJ Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Jerry Date: 7/13/16 18:40 (GMT-05:00) To: 'Rick WA6NHC' , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question Thanks Rick and John, I asked the question because I have just bought the K3/0 Mini remote and I would like to be able to turn ON and OFF the KAT500 when I am about 1 thousand miles away. I know that I can do control the on.off on the? KPA500 by connecting the? 8 pin line on the 15 pin ACC connector on the KPA500 to pin 11, I was hoping that there would be an undocumented way for the KAT500. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question But you can via the utility, if that can apply to your needs. Rick nhc On 7/13/2016 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: > On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> Is it possible to be able to power? on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > Short answer: No. > >? From the KAT500 manual: > > "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? > > Hope this helps, > > 73, > > John K8AJS > jbastin at sssnet.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wa6nhc at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ie at jetbroadband.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From dick at elecraft.com Wed Jul 13 18:48:45 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: <83F402A0-C2EC-471C-8BE6-592CE8D66672@elecraft.com> Not thru, but if you control a power supply from the K3, that will do it. I bought but haven't yet installed a West Mountain Rig Runner model 4020S+ that switches power to other outlets when one "master" device is switched on. Or use the K3 back panel RCA 12V connector to activate a relay that provides power to other station devices. The KAT500 can at times draw a bit more than the 500 ma or 1A provided by the K3 12V RCA connector. 73 de Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 14:10, Jerry wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jerry, W1IE > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ed at w0yk.com Wed Jul 13 18:54:21 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:54:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT Message-ID: This is a perfect application for the K-Pod macro buttons.? If the K-Pod had dedicated controls that satisfied most users, it would be a K3 front panel. As is, the K-Pod is small so it can be conveniently located and completely user-definable for each individual's needs of their most critical K3 functions. 73, Ed W0YK On Jul 13, 2016 2:42 PM, W0FK wrote: > > W0FK wrote > > When I put the KPOD rocker switch in the RIT/XIT mode, unless I press the > > RIT or XIT switch on my K3S? turning the knob does nothing. That's not > > surprising, but is there anyway to control RIT and XIT on/off on the KPOD > > - without writing a macro? Shouldn't that be built into the firmware? > > > > Lou, W0FK > > > I semi-answered my own question. I programmed the RIT and XIT to toggle > on/off as follows: > > RIT - Macro 14 (tap F6) use SWT45; > XIT - Macro 15 (tap F7)? use SWT47; > > Seems to me that a dedicated/labeled swith setting woulf be better. > > > > > > ----- > St. Louis, MO > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPOD-RIT-XIT-tp7619879p7620081.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From dmerky at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 19:00:41 2016 From: dmerky at comcast.net (Dale Merkey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna In-Reply-To: <902434128.2709709.1468449685583.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <902434128.2709709.1468449685583.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6dcec35c-8520-0263-a7b7-0573068c6c13@comcast.net> You might want to check out you tube. This video by K7AGE describes how he built one. I'm sure there are other videos on you tube as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5Vj6wtpE0 73 On 7/13/2016 6:41 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft wrote: > Many thanks for all the nice responses. > > I didn't give the background of my request...I have built lotsa wire dipoles. However I wanted to build a rigid 6m dipole. And if someone else has done it with accompanying explanation and diagram, I can build it without having to think...always a good thing for me :-) > Thanks to all,JohnK5ENQ > From: "riese-k3djc at juno.com" > To: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna > > geezs google 6 meter dipole > cut a piece of wire to length and tape to a piece of > plastic water pipe or just string up a dipole as high as you can get it > favor east / west to cover Europe etc > have fun > > Bob K3DJC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmerky at comcast.net From wc1m73 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 19:10:23 2016 From: wc1m73 at gmail.com (Dick Green WC1M) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:10:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod In-Reply-To: <002f01d1dd48$45e9a960$d1bcfc20$@biz> References: <002f01d1dd48$45e9a960$d1bcfc20$@biz> Message-ID: <027b01d1dd5b$bc9440d0$35bcc270$@gmail.com> I have a couple of theories on this. One is that a lot of owners will have already filled macros 1-8 for use with the K3 front panel, so the K-Pod tap keys should begin with macro 9. The other theory is that the functions you're likely to want to initiate on the K-Pod should be hold-type to avoid accidentally triggering a macro when tuning. My guess is that it was probably the first theory. The second is true for me, but I'm not sure it's true for others. 73, Dick WC1M -----Original Message----- From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:51 PM To: 'Irwin Darack' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod It is correct. Hold F1 through F8 launches the macros in locations 1 through 8 while tapping F1 through F8 launches the macros in locations 9 through 16. (Don't ask me why. I'm just the messenger ;-) 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Irwin Darack Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod My K-Pod arrived on Monday and I am currently working on building Macros. When I tap the F1 function key on the K-Pod it reads macro 09 on the K3S; when I hold the F1 key, it reads macro 01 on the K3S. All the the function keys seem to behaving the same. For example, tapping F4 = macro 12, while holding F4 = macro 04. When I write a macro using either SWT (tap function) or SWH (hold function) for the K3S, and write to the K3S using the K3 Utility, the macro runs correctly on the K3S. Its just the Tap and Hold on the K-Pod seem to be reversed? Should tapping the F1 key on the K-Pod = macro 01 on the K3S, etc? Or was this how it was designed? It seems to reversed from how the keys on the K3S and P3 behave. Thanks, Irwin KD3TB -- Irwin KD3TB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Jul 13 19:10:35 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: No. And, the KAT should be running when you turn on the K3(S). Mine stays on all the time. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jerry, W1IE > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ron at cobi.biz Wed Jul 13 19:20:29 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT In-Reply-To: <1468444919376-7620079.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <3b54af62-a176-08ca-b3ef-c1eaa8af3e36@verizon.net> <41eb4cc5-a2af-c032-52c1-93c0dd0557e7@verizon.net> <1468444919376-7620079.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000c01d1dd5d$25d88960$71899c20$@biz> Not at this time, but they are the world's easiest macros: Turn RIT on: RT1; Turn RIT off: RT0; 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0FK Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:22 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD RIT/XIT When I put the KPOD rocker switch in the RIT/XIT mode, unless I press the RIT or XIT switch on my K3S but turning the knob does nothing. That's not surprising, but is there anyway to control RIT and XIT on/off on the KPOD - without writing a macro? Shouldn't that be built into the firmware? Lou, W0FK ----- St. Louis, MO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPOD-RIT-XIT-tp7619879p7620079.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Jul 13 19:29:05 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:29:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: <3874dfe6-601b-8c28-388c-477036e7eebb@socal.rr.com> I wonder if this "Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere" is because, at one time, the KAT500 had to be powered on before the K3 was powered on? 73, Phil W7OX On 7/13/16 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: > On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > Short answer: No. > > From the KAT500 manual: > > "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? > > Hope this helps, > > 73, > > John K8AJS > jbastin at sssnet.com From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Jul 13 19:49:24 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:49:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Effects of Sloping Terrain Message-ID: <8CB2B37C-4AFB-43BC-979B-A76C4C4251B5@law.du.edu> I can?t contribute to this from my own knowledge; but if it helps there are two sections of ON4UN?s ?Low-Band DXing? that might be of interest. In Chapter 5 (with consulting author, Lew Gordon K4VX) at pages 5-5 and 5-6 appears to illustrate significant effects from sloping terrain; and at page 9-5 (with consulting author Uli Weiss DJ2YA) says directly, ?Fig 9.6 shows that a terrain that slopes downhill in the direction of the target is as helpful for vertical antennas as it is for horizontally polarized antennas.? I would also use this opportunity to thank more than a dozen people who replied off-line to my original post, in which I asked for advice on weighing the disadvantages of longer feedline runs against the gains from sloping terrain. All of it was helpful and I got a much-needed education. Many thanks. Ted, KN1CBR > > On 7/13/2016 10:38 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> No, I didn't mean that. >> >> If sloping ground improves radiation pattern, it's going to be worth >> more than 1 db. Pattern changes of any sort typically have >> significant effect, whereas one db is almost trivial (notwithstanding >> my own experiments on that on my website). I'm not saying that >> sloping ground actually has a significant effect ... only that if it >> has any effect at all it is likely to be greater than 1 db. >> >> Dave AB7E >> From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 13 19:52:40 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:52:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <3874dfe6-601b-8c28-388c-477036e7eebb@socal.rr.com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> <3874dfe6-601b-8c28-388c-477036e7eebb@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <2e303b2a-9b00-40ff-11af-37814c58ef94@triconet.org> Probably. Sounds like old data. On 7/13/2016 4:29 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I wonder if this "Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output > connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere" is because, at one time, > the KAT500 had to be powered on before the K3 was powered on? > > 73, Phil W7OX From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 13 20:02:09 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:02:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> Jim, I've looked at your stuff in the past. But, "improvement" is in the eye of the beholder. The ionosphere determines the optimum TOA, not the antenna. Taking heroic measures to get the max TOA down to 10 degrees (a near impossibility over dirt) when the signals are arriving at 45 degrees is hardly optimum. Anecdotal evidence is mostly worthless but for what it's worth, I have 48 entities worked on 160 meters from here in the desert using no more than 500 watts into an inverted-V, apex at 45' ends at 6'. Everyone "knows" that this can't possibly work because it radiates straight up. (Except that it doesn't) Wes On 7/13/2016 3:07 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,7/13/2016 12:03 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Ok, but I'm unclear about what "improves radiation pattern" means. > > Wes, > > Take a look at the links I posted to my NEC studies. There can be no doubt as > to the meaning of "improves radiation pattern." > > > BTW -- I do NOT agree that elevated radials have much to do with establishing > the take-off angle. AND, more to the point, I view take-off angle as > absolutely the wrong way to look at the vertical pattern of an antenna. A FAR > better approach is the one I used in those antenna planning applications > notes, for which I posted links a few hours ago. > > 73, Jim K9YC From n9tf at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 20:06:32 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (Gene Gabry) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro Command MICSEL question Message-ID: <007e01d1dd63$943ab030$bcb01090$@net> I am wondering if there is a more direct command to toggle between the MIC SEL FP and MIC SEL RP other than having to use the UP/DN command? These are the two command statements I am using to switch between the two with FP.H being the normal home position. To switch to RP (Bias and H already activated) = MN053;UP;CP015;MG003;MN255; To switch back to FP.H (H already activated) = MN053;DN;CP018;MG025;MN255; Is there another command or address to directly activate the actual mic location other than toggling MN up and down? I just want to switch between those two locations. Thanks Gene, N9TF K3S 10057 From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Jul 13 20:07:00 2016 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:07:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] 240V connection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c285e7d-d3f2-e0d6-5b10-ca63e79b3886@kanafi.org> On 7/11/2016 3:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ugly things can happen if the neutral gets involved or used as a ground. The 1996 Code revision required that the neutral (white wire) be carried as well and installed on an appropriate three-wire-plus-ground receptacle on new installations and any substantial rework. The reason for this was that many 240V appliances (dryers, ovens, etc) used 120V for some purpose (lights, fan, controllers, etc) and formerly this was accomplished by using one "hot" side and ground. No longer acceptable. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From Ka9p at aol.com Wed Jul 13 20:09:07 2016 From: Ka9p at aol.com (Ka9p at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID: <50aca9.187c14a5.44b83222@aol.com> I guess since the thread is still alive, and because I use my Elecraft rigs with said tower :) I'll wade in here, because I spent a fair amount of time researching this two years ago before reinstalling my Wilson TT-45, which is very similar. Everyone is right, one way or the other. The tower wind curve I have shows 3 square feet of wind load for a total tower height of 43 feet in a 78 mph wind. Another 50 mph curve supplied with the rotating base is done at 50 mph, and says 12 square feet at a total height of 45 feet. But both curves, as well as the more recent US Tower data, rely on the use of a house bracket in the analysis. A much more recent US Tower doc shows 4.8 square feet of wind load, for 85 MPH 3 second gusts, but with the tower at a height of 21 feet. This was from a California PE analysis, and it also referenced the house bracket. So the answer, "it depends" depends on at least wind speed (or gust) used, what base, the use of a house bracket, height of the mast in the top section, and what the current sq ft numbers for your antenna happen to be, which seem to be changing in some cases :). After crunching some numbers, I decided to limit my use to 34 feet self-supporting with a hex and a rotating base . It's definitely worth doing the math. I'm happy to share PDF's of the reference stuff with anyone that needs it. Scott ka9p (sorry Eric) In a message dated 7/13/2016 5:08:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, w6vyred at gmail.com writes: Hi Mike, I don't know where the 3 SQ-FT comes from. US Tower does not publish ratings for the MA series any longer. I have had an MA-40 since 1982 and at that time the rating was 10 SQ-FT @ 50 MPH winds fully extended. I have confirmed this with US Tower in the past. I was also told at that time that they do not rate the tower retracted. There have been some new regulations concerning tower ratings in the past couple which is probably why they do not list it now. I have had a 3 Element SteppIR on this tower since 2006. The HRO website still lists the rating at 10 SQ-FT. That being said, I do retract the tower if winds of 50 MPH are predicted or if I am leaving for any length of time. My base is 3 X 3 X 5 which was recommended at that time and I have the drawings for that. I think the 3 SQ is indicating the size of the extended portion which is 3 inches square. Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:01:47 -0700 (MST) From: Mike K2MK To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice on Small Tower Message-ID:<1468407707184-7620050.post at n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Terry, I'm moving and I've just sold my MA40 with the MARB40 tilt over/rotator base. It's a fine tower for small loads. Be careful, it's only rated at 3sqft load when the tower is cranked down to the 21 foot level. I had a 2 element SteppIR yagi on it and I would crank it down if winds over 20 or 30 mph were forecasted. Cranking it up and down is very easy on the arm. It cranks easily but requires 100 cranks. Tilting it over and cranking it down and back up requires much greater effort until the mast is at the 45 degree angle. I would have liked to have a power driven winch for that operation. The foundation for this mast is substantial with lots of rebar. I'm selling my house and just had the top 12" of concrete removed so that I could replace it with grass. It took a crew longer to remove the 12" then it did for the crew to dig and pour the foundation in the first place. I'm thankful I didn't have to any of the work. This mast can actually be handled by one person if you have moderate equipment to help. I had a wheeled lawn cart for rolling it around and a Harbor Freight 1 ton shop crane for taking it off of the flat bed delivery truck and helping to engage and dis-engage the mast into the MRB40 unit. With two people it's a very simple job. All of my experiences were good and given the opportunity I would not hesitate to purchase another one. I have a personal website with lots of photos. Contact me directly if you want the link. k2mk at comcast dot net 73, Mike K2MK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ka9p at aol.com From dick at elecraft.com Wed Jul 13 20:10:06 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:10:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <3874dfe6-601b-8c28-388c-477036e7eebb@socal.rr.com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> <3874dfe6-601b-8c28-388c-477036e7eebb@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <00d301d1dd64$13dc7c60$3b957520$@elecraft.com> Not really. I totaled the current draw of all the relays when pulled, added the microcontroller current and it was a tad over an amp. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 16:29 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question I wonder if this "Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere" is because, at one time, the KAT500 had to be powered on before the K3 was powered on? 73, Phil W7OX On 7/13/16 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: > On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > Short answer: No. > > From the KAT500 manual: > > "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? > > Hope this helps, > > 73, > > John K8AJS > jbastin at sssnet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Wed Jul 13 20:15:35 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:15:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <001d01d1dd57$8c34aa50$a49dfef0$@com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> <001d01d1dd57$8c34aa50$a49dfef0$@com> Message-ID: <978287ec-f713-6666-880c-6c06336bc753@Bayland.net> You don't have to play with that 15 pin acc. or anything else. There is a program on the Elecraft site that you host to the control site. Just pecking a button in the program will turn it on/off. I used it for 3 mos, 1200 miles away from here. 73 Dwight NS9I On 7/13/2016 5:40 PM, Jerry wrote: > Thanks Rick and John, > > I asked the question because I have just bought the K3/0 Mini remote and I would like to be able to turn ON and OFF the KAT500 when I am about 1 thousand miles away. I know that I can do control the on.off on the KPA500 by connecting the 8 pin line on the 15 pin ACC connector on the KPA500 to pin 11, I was hoping that there would be an undocumented way for the KAT500. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:55 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question > > But you can via the utility, if that can apply to your needs. > > > Rick nhc > > > On 7/13/2016 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? >> Short answer: No. >> >> From the KAT500 manual: >> >> "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> 73, >> >> John K8AJS >> jbastin at sssnet.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> wa6nhc at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ie at jetbroadband.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net From pauls at elecraft.com Wed Jul 13 20:30:17 2016 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:30:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 BETA 1.45 firmware now available Message-ID: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> PX3 Beta firmware, version 1.45 is now available for download from our PX3 beta firmware directory (ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/PX3/firmware/beta) This version adds USB MSD (thumb drive, flash drive) support, additional new features and bug fixes. The BETA release zip package includes a new PX3 Programmer's reference as well as detailed instructions for using the new MSD sub-menu. PLEASE take a moment to look over these documents and the release notes. As this is a BETA release, please email ONLY ME with any concerns, questions, bugs etc. My email address is: pauls at-you-know-where-dot-com . Here are the release notes for version 1.45 : MCU 1.45 / 06/26/2016 * Adds: USB MSD (mass storage device, memory stick, thumb drive) support. Most types of flash drives are supported. Added a new sub-menu called ?MSD menu? which includes the following features: + Scrn shot ? takes a .bmp screen shot of the current screen. + ConfgSave ? saves the current configuration. + ConfgRstr ? restores the configuration. + XportMacr ? exports macros/text messages. + ImprtMacr ? imports macros. Note: refer to the included BETA documentation PX3_MSD_Features.pdf for more information. * Adds: Serial commands #MAA, #MBA to adjust A or B markers by an incrementing or decrementing. The adjustment value is the same as used by the K3/KX3 UP and DN commands. Usage: #MAAsn s = + to increment, - to decrement n = 0 adjust by 1 Hz n = 1 ? ? 10 Hz n = 2 ? ? 20 Hz n = 3 ? ? 50 Hz n = 4 ? ? 1 kHz n = 5 ? ? 2 kHz n = 6 ? ? 3 kHz n = 7 ? ? 5 kHz n = 8 ? ? 100 Hz n = 9 ? ? 200 Hz Or: #MAAs s = + to increment, - to decrement. The step size is automatically determined by the current span and mode: USB, LSB, AM & FM Span < 5 kHz ? step = 10 Hz Span 2-9.99 kHz ? step = 20 Hz Span 10-49.9 kHz ? step = 50 Hz Span 50-99.1 kHz ? step = 100 Hz Span 100-200 kHz ? step = 200 Hz CW & Data Span < 5 kHz ? step = 2 Hz Span 2-9.99 kHz ? step = 20 Hz Span 10-49.9 kHz ? step = 50 Hz Span 50-99.1 kHz ? step = 100 Hz Span 100-200 kHz ? step = 200 Hz * Adds: Frequency displays now show all digits including the Hz digit. This includes the center frequency adjustment and marker values. Note that markers adjust by values determined by the current span setting. * Adds: To enter the text decode scratchpad, you can now use either Insert or Alt-P. To send the scratchpad, you can now use either Ctrl-Insert or Ctrl-P . * Adds: #MSS msd screen shot serial command. 73, Paul Saffren (n6hz) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-BETA-1-45-firmware-now-available-tp7620109.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nestoji at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 20:32:43 2016 From: nestoji at comcast.net (Jim Nestor) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:32:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mfj whip for KX2 mobile Message-ID: <1924B32B-90E6-429A-804A-392FED1044A0@comcast.net> Waiting for my KX2. Plan to use for camping and stationary mobile. Initially, the antenna for stationary mobile will be hamsticks (40 & 20m) mounted to roof rail on suv. Thinking about trying a 16-17' mfj whip on the roof rail mount. Should be a 1/4 wave on 20m. With a couple of wire radials it should work better than a hamstick. I expect the KX2 ATU should "Tune" it on 40 and maybe also work better than the hamstick. Has anybody used one of the mfj whips with a KX2 or KX3? BTW, for camping have a number of antenna options: endfed wires, dipoles, verticals supported from trees or 33' mast bungeed to the awning of travel trailer. Nothing beats camping and playing radio... 73, Jim, WK8G Sent from my iPad From sjl219 at optonline.net Wed Jul 13 20:40:56 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} Message for Alex Grimsberg PY1AHD Message-ID: <6d934bc7.83293.155e6d96d2b.Webtop.36@optonline.net> Alex, I've sent you three more emails from sjl219 at optonline.net and apparently none of them have reached you. ?I know of no technical problems on my end. ? Apparently you can email successfully to me but my messages don't reach you. Please check your mail handler and advise. Thank you, Stan WB2LQF From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Jul 13 20:45:10 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:45:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 BETA 1.45 firmware now available In-Reply-To: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468457110918-7620112.post@n2.nabble.com> Thank You the PX3 keeps getting better. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-BETA-1-45-firmware-now-available-tp7620109p7620112.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed Jul 13 20:48:51 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:48:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> Message-ID: I've played around with VOACAP a lot in the past. Possibly you want to argue with it's validity, but I can tell you that the percentage of time it shows signals optimally arriving at 45 degrees is much less than the percentage of time they arrive closer to 10 degrees ... certainly for any kind of DX work and most of the time for domestic work here in the U.S. That depends upon the band, of course, and also the time of the opening (optimum angles are lower at openings and closings versus mid-opening), but in general the best TOA's area lot lower than most hams assume. If low takeoff angles weren't generally desirable our hobby has several generations of very misguided members who have squandered millions of dollars. Dave AB7E On 7/13/2016 5:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Jim, I've looked at your stuff in the past. > > But, "improvement" is in the eye of the beholder. The ionosphere > determines the optimum TOA, not the antenna. Taking heroic measures to > get the max TOA down to 10 degrees (a near impossibility over dirt) > when the signals are arriving at 45 degrees is hardly optimum. > > Anecdotal evidence is mostly worthless but for what it's worth, I have > 48 entities worked on 160 meters from here in the desert using no more > than 500 watts into an inverted-V, apex at 45' ends at 6'. Everyone > "knows" that this can't possibly work because it radiates straight > up. (Except that it doesn't) > > Wes > > On 7/13/2016 3:07 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Wed,7/13/2016 12:03 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> Ok, but I'm unclear about what "improves radiation pattern" means. >> >> Wes, >> >> Take a look at the links I posted to my NEC studies. There can be no >> doubt as to the meaning of "improves radiation pattern." >> >> >> BTW -- I do NOT agree that elevated radials have much to do with >> establishing the take-off angle. AND, more to the point, I view >> take-off angle as absolutely the wrong way to look at the vertical >> pattern of an antenna. A FAR better approach is the one I used in >> those antenna planning applications notes, for which I posted links a >> few hours ago. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Jul 13 21:23:11 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:23:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SOTA (Summits on the Air) today Message-ID: <9F3855CB-001A-4BED-94E3-4396E49523F4@wunderwood.org> Played hooky from work today (skipped the company picnic) and activated SOTA peak W6/NC-209 (Sierra Morena). After a couple of navigation errors, it was a very short climb. I made three contacts on HF, including a summit-to-summit, then begged on the local wide-coverage repeater (N6NFI) for some 2m simplex contacts on my HT. Got a small pileup and three more QSOs to finish the activation. Now it is time to unpack and plug the KX3 back into the shack and KXPA100. This is exactly why I bought a KX3. But I do need to get out the cheat sheet out in order to get the KXPA100 cabling correct. I really should label those cables. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 13 21:27:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mfj whip for KX2 mobile In-Reply-To: <1924B32B-90E6-429A-804A-392FED1044A0@comcast.net> References: <1924B32B-90E6-429A-804A-392FED1044A0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim, I suggest that you have better antenna efficiency alternatives than the hamsticks. Since you have a 33 foot mast - I assume non-conductive - I would support a 32 foot wire from the top of it for 40 meters. Add one or more 32 foot counterpoise wires (radials) along the ground. Then for 20 meters, haul a 32 foot dipole on the mast (fed at the center). That will serve as a vertical dipole and should work fine - no radials needed. Cost is only wire and the coax to run to the feedpoint. Since you will likely have a short coax run, you can use RG-58 with little loss. Your ideas are quite workable, but if you have the 32 foot mast already, why spend the extra $$$ for the commercial antennas - just invest in some wire and have fun. I might add that you can also use a 58 foot radiator (supported from your 32 foot mast) in an "inverted L" configuration with a 13 foot counterpoise on the ground. No feedline, just connect to a BNC to binding post adapter and the KX2 internal tuner will handle it just fine. Those lengths were recommended by one of the KX2 Field testers who does a lot of SOTA activation. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/13/2016 8:32 PM, Jim Nestor wrote: > Waiting for my KX2. Plan to use for camping and stationary mobile. > Initially, the antenna for stationary mobile will be hamsticks (40 & 20m) mounted > to roof rail on suv. > > Thinking about trying a 16-17' mfj whip on the roof rail mount. Should be a 1/4 wave on 20m. > With a couple of wire radials it should work better than a hamstick. I expect the KX2 ATU should > "Tune" it on 40 and maybe also work better than the hamstick. > > Has anybody used one of the mfj whips with a KX2 or KX3? > > BTW, for camping have a number of antenna options: endfed wires, dipoles, verticals supported from trees or 33' mast bungeed to the awning of travel trailer. Nothing beats camping and playing radio... > > > 73, > > Jim, WK8G > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From n5lz at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 21:41:38 2016 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:41:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses In-Reply-To: <65caf9dc-ea23-9516-5c70-0468ea00122a@embarqmail.com> References: <8f3821aa-8886-0681-7436-2e7c7a250c55@nycap.rr.com> <1468422450820-7620054.post@n2.nabble.com> <65caf9dc-ea23-9516-5c70-0468ea00122a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d1dd70$dd937840$98ba68c0$@comcast.net> I think each operator has his/her own reason(s) for wanting a KPod . and it's likely that those reasons will vary considerably. In my case, I want it for DXing. I'm a serious DXer .. And am in hog heaven when I'm trying to break one of those huge major DXpedition pileups .. Not the little pileups . but a big one when there are so many callers that I really don't expect to get through .. And, you know, with the DX station's listening range at 20 khz or more. Yes, it is true that I do not really need a K3/KPod to accomplish that .. It can also be done with my 40 year old TS520S /remote VFO .. Or with any of umpteen other transceivers for that matter. But it's more fun and lots easier to accomplish with all the right equipment . which, in my book, includes a subreceiver equipped K3 or K3S, a P3 .. A 1500 watt amp (sorry Elecraft I prefer my robust Alpha 1500 watt amp) .. And now I'm adding the KPod to that mix. To me, the VFO B knob has always been a major weakness of the K3 .. It doesn't spin so it doesn't have a "spin dimple" . it's small .. It's clunky when compared to second VFO knobs on most other high end transceivers . but of course the small size of the K3, which is also a significant virtue, is the limiting factor here . I have never been fond of the K3's small VFO B knob . but . the new KPod has now solved that problem. I do have my 16 KPod function buttons programmed like everyone else .. with a few macros and several more simple single command functions just so they'll be near my hand . but the one I'll be using most is just a simple F8 tap to transmit my callsign (CW or SSB) to crack those big pileups. I'll be using the KPod knob to tune through the pileup trying to figure the DX's listening pattern .... and will finally be able to spin the knob when necessary . and when the time is right I'll be tapping that F8 button to send my callsign. Now . if we only had some DXpeditionp pileups to bust.. Looks pretty bleak on the near horizon in that regard. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:19 AM To: KC2NYU; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: K-pod uses Paul, If you are completely comfortable with mouse tuning and Win4K3, then you may not find any advantage for the K-Pod. I do not like mouse tuning, and am more comfortable with a tuning knob. Having the knob next to the keyboard is especially nice if you are mainly using the keyboard - you do not have to move very far from the keyboard to get to the knob. The K-Pod can be placed either to the left or right of the keyboard. The buttons on the K-Pod can activate up to 16 K3 macros. K3 Utility now allows 16 macros to be created/edited and stored in the K3. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/13/2016 11:07 AM, KC2NYU via Elecraft wrote: > I am trying to decide on ordering the K-Pod but struggling to sort out > the possible overlap between the K-Pod, and using a Genovation keypad > or a software suite like Win4K3. Using the keypad in conjunction with > a P3 allows me to activate many macros with the touch of one key. I > also can program many macros in Win4K3 as well as perform almost any > K3 button or knob function and change the VFO's with the touch of a mouse. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From rv6amark at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 22:22:01 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SOTA (Summits on the Air) today Message-ID: <3g14cjjvs1m9kj278lhfb5oo.1468462622625@email.android.com> Re: ?...But I do need to get out the cheat sheet out in order to get the KXPA100 cabling correct. I really should label those cables. ...or get a KX2 for portable use!!! ?That would be a lot more fun than making labels. Mark, KE6BB From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Jul 13 22:34:38 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:34:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> Message-ID: Dave, Aside from the issue at hand, and perhaps sans the "misguided", I'm certain this "our hobby has several generations of very misguided members who have squandered millions of dollars." is true ;-) 73, Phil W7OX On 7/13/16 5:48 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > I've played around with VOACAP a lot in the > past. Possibly you want to argue with it's > validity, but I can tell you that the percentage > of time it shows signals optimally arriving at > 45 degrees is much less than the percentage of > time they arrive closer to 10 degrees ... > certainly for any kind of DX work and most of > the time for domestic work here in the U.S. > That depends upon the band, of course, and also > the time of the opening (optimum angles are > lower at openings and closings versus > mid-opening), but in general the best TOA's area > lot lower than most hams assume. > > If low takeoff angles weren't generally > desirable our hobby has several generations of > very misguided members who have squandered > millions of dollars. > > Dave AB7E > > > On 7/13/2016 5:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Jim, I've looked at your stuff in the past. >> >> But, "improvement" is in the eye of the >> beholder. The ionosphere determines the >> optimum TOA, not the antenna. Taking heroic >> measures to get the max TOA down to 10 degrees >> (a near impossibility over dirt) when the >> signals are arriving at 45 degrees is hardly >> optimum. >> >> Anecdotal evidence is mostly worthless but for >> what it's worth, I have 48 entities worked on >> 160 meters from here in the desert using no >> more than 500 watts into an inverted-V, apex at >> 45' ends at 6'. Everyone "knows" that this >> can't possibly work because it radiates >> straight up. (Except that it doesn't) >> >> Wes >> >> On 7/13/2016 3:07 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> On Wed,7/13/2016 12:03 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>>> Ok, but I'm unclear about what "improves >>>> radiation pattern" means. >>> >>> Wes, >>> >>> Take a look at the links I posted to my NEC >>> studies. There can be no doubt as to the >>> meaning of "improves radiation pattern." >>> >>> >>> BTW -- I do NOT agree that elevated radials >>> have much to do with establishing the take-off >>> angle. AND, more to the point, I view take-off >>> angle as absolutely the wrong way to look at >>> the vertical pattern of an antenna. A FAR >>> better approach is the one I used in those >>> antenna planning applications notes, for which >>> I posted links a few hours ago. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC From ron at cobi.biz Wed Jul 13 22:44:27 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <3874dfe6-601b-8c28-388c-477036e7eebb@socal.rr.com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> <3874dfe6-601b-8c28-388c-477036e7eebb@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <001801d1dd79$a3e94490$ebbbcdb0$@biz> I understand that when tuning and the relays are rattling like crazy, the KAT500 can draw peak currents well over 1 ampere. Add to the P3 and SVGA running... 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:29 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question I wonder if this "Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere" is because, at one time, the KAT500 had to be powered on before the K3 was powered on? 73, Phil W7OX On 7/13/16 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: > On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > Short answer: No. > > From the KAT500 manual: > > "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? > > Hope this helps, > > 73, > > John K8AJS > jbastin at sssnet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Jul 13 22:47:49 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 and the mouse wheel Message-ID: HiFirst thing I would do is check your firmware on your radio as well as all peripherals like a p3 etc. ?If you have old firmware there's likely to be a delay. Second make sure that you have the radio set to show all digits of the frequency down to hz.?The mouse wheel should work instantaneously and be quite fast.73 Tom? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Michael Dinkelman via Elecraft Date: 2016-07-13 6:33 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 and the mouse wheel I know this is the Elecraft reflector but it seems to be a de-facto Win4K3? site as well.Been trying out the Win4K3 demo (which I heard about here).? My mouse/trackball pointer wheels don't seem to have much effect. If I spin them really fast, sometimes something moves a bit. This effect is the same in the spectrum window (incremental tuning)? or the control window (changing a frequency number). Yes I know the steps in the spectrum window can be changed. If I change it to bigger steps, the excessive spinning of the mouse wheel is still required, it just jumps further when the program finally recognizes? the wheel moved. Anybody else seen something similar? I use a trackball but an ol'? fashioned mouse acts the same. cheersdink, n7wa ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From bbaines at mac.com Wed Jul 13 23:23:19 2016 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:23:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <001d01d1dd57$8c34aa50$a49dfef0$@com> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> <001d01d1dd57$8c34aa50$a49dfef0$@com> Message-ID: Jerry: Here?s an approach that I use for K3 remote operation (including control of the KAT500) that you may find appropriate for your needs as well. I use my K3 almost exclusively through the K3/0-Mini. The radio site is in Southeast Georgia and my primary residence is in Massachusetts. I?ve configured my HF station with the following: 1. K3/0-Mini controls the K3 through Remote Rig?s RRC-1258Mkii devices. 2. The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web-based control of the KPA500, providing a web screen that looks like the front panel of the KPA500, allowing me to control the amplifier as if I were in front of it without using a PC in the shack. 3. For the KAT500, I?m using a Lantronics Serial-to-Ethernet converter that allows me to run Elecraft?s KAT500 Utility software on a computer in Massachusetts controlling the KAT-500 directly in Georgia through the KAT500?s serial port. The Elecraft software provides all of the status information of the KAT500 plus control of all functions, such as turning the unit on/off, setting which of the three antenna port to use (e.g. dummy load, yagi, etc.), bypassing the tuner, noting the SWR of the antenna/band I?m on when transmitting, etc. A prime reason for taking this approach is so I can ensure that the KAT500 antenna port selected when shutting down the tuner is port 1 which has a dummy load attached. Since I?m not at the radio site, selecting the dummy load provides at least some additional isolation for the KPA500 and K3 between the Polyphaser attached to the grounding system at the ground plate entrance where all coax cables and DC lines (rotor control, Preamp on/off, etc.) enter the shack through various Polyphaser devices. A dummy load also provides an appropriate load for testing power output before going ?live? with the Elecraft software providing real time measurement of performance. 4. The Orion rotor?s serial port is also fed through the Lantronics Serial-to-Ethernet converter (it is a five port device; I?m using two), allowing me to run PstRotatorAz.exe to control the rotor directly from Massachusetts. 5. I can turn on/off devices in the shack using the West Mountain Radio R4005i which allows web-based control of up to five separate devices by providing a 12 VDC output to on any of the five available ports. The Orion is turned on/off through this device using West Mountain Radio?s PWR AC Controller attached to Port 1, which is a device using 12VDC to switch 120VAC. Anderson Power Poles provide connections to the R4004i?s five ports and the PWR AC, and each of the five ports of the R4005ican be individually configured for when the ?soft? fuse on each port is opened. There are some network configuration setups required at the radio site?s router, such as configuring port forwarding appropriate ports to various devices to make this work, plus DDNS to allow for connection from the outside world (WAN) without having to know the external IP address at the radio site. An alternative would be to run the KAT500 software on a computer in the shack and then connect to that PC through remote access software such as Team Viewer or LogMeIn. This approach would probably be simpler to set up than what I?ve done (no setup of port forwarding within the router), but prefer my approach because PCs can fail and require reboot which can be problematic if you?re not at the site and won?t be there for some time. Note that I don?t need any PC to be on in the shack to have total control of my HF Station. Overall, I?m very satisfied with this approach. I hope in the future that Remote Rig will provide a firmware update to the RC-1216H to add the ability to control the KAT500 through a web interface just as is done for the KPA500. Such an approach would eliminate the need for a Serial-to-Ethernet converter as well as allows control of the KAT500 with a iPhone or iPad. Hope this helps, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Westborough, MA > On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Thanks Rick and John, > > I asked the question because I have just bought the K3/0 Mini remote and I would like to be able to turn ON and OFF the KAT500 when I am about 1 thousand miles away. I know that I can do control the on.off on the KPA500 by connecting the 8 pin line on the 15 pin ACC connector on the KPA500 to pin 11, I was hoping that there would be an undocumented way for the KAT500. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:55 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question > > But you can via the utility, if that can apply to your needs. > > > Rick nhc > > > On 7/13/2016 2:28 PM, John E Bastin wrote: >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 17:10, Jerry wrote: >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? >> Short answer: No. >> >> From the KAT500 manual: >> >> "Connect to the station 11 to 15 VDC power supply with the white striped lead to the positive terminal. Do not take this power from the K3?s 12 VDC output connector, even if it has been upgraded for 1 Ampere.? >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> 73, >> >> John K8AJS >> jbastin at sssnet.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> wa6nhc at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ie at jetbroadband.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Jul 13 23:42:00 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:42:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> Message-ID: That exactly proves my point about takeoff angle being an inappropriate measure. If you study the plots of my NEC models, it becomes clear that raising the antenna does much more than moving the peak of radiation lower -- it also increases the field strength at most angles below that. See my family of plots of field strength vs height of horizontal antennas. 73, Jim K9YC On Wed,7/13/2016 5:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Everyone "knows" that this can't possibly work because it radiates > straight up. (Except that it doesn't) From k6jw at cox.net Thu Jul 14 01:39:19 2016 From: k6jw at cox.net (Jeffrey Wolf) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c982ff2-ab81-bddc-8bc4-75f2548087e5@cox.net> Hi Dave, There?s really no advantage unless you?re looking to have more control over battery maintenance. My personal preference is to have a maximum amount of control over the maintenance of my batteries. This means charge monitoring (with digital readout from the charger) that?s configurable for maximum charging without overcharging. It means being able to cycle batteries to a predetermined degree of discharge before recharging. And it means being able to balance the cells in any pack without built-in balancing circuitry. If you?re happy with the Bioenno ?blind? setup, go for it. Many appear to be doing it happily. I simply wanted more control. My setup is a Turnigy Accucel-6 charger with built-in cycling and balancing capability combined with a Zippy 4200 MAH battery, both available at reasonable cost from Hobby King. I?m not pushing their stuff, but it has worked well for me. A fuly charged battery will run my KX3 for at least 24 hours. 73, Jeff, K6JW Message: 20 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:24:22 -0700 From: Todd To: David Corsello Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger Message-ID: <57867946.3050701 at sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jeff, for my education would you please explain the advantages of using a balancing charger with a non-self-balancing battery over using a non-balancing, LiFePO4-compatible charger with a self-balancing battery? --Dave From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Jul 14 01:53:37 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SOTA (Summits on the Air) today In-Reply-To: <3g14cjjvs1m9kj278lhfb5oo.1468462622625@email.android.com> References: <3g14cjjvs1m9kj278lhfb5oo.1468462622625@email.android.com> Message-ID: <9F1573EE-588A-453D-9C10-67063B61EFF6@wunderwood.org> The KX2 money would go to a PX3 for home. Need to sell my IC-703 to pay for that, come to think of it. I?ve shaved a lot of backpacking weight ? I have a 1.5 pound two-person tent and a two-pound pack. But I don?t mind carrying the KX3. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Mark via Elecraft wrote: > > Re: ...But I do need to get out the cheat sheet out in order to get the KXPA100 cabling correct. I really should label those cables. > > ...or get a KX2 for portable use!!! That would be a lot more fun than making labels. > > Mark, > KE6BB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Jul 14 03:39:47 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:39:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna Message-ID: <201607140739.u6E7dl8Z001692@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I built one using 1/2-inch electrical conduit (steel) and clamped each half to a 1-inch thick board with conduit clamps ran coax to the dipole an trimmed length to get good SWR. I assume you know how to calculate a half wavelength (cut the tubing about 2-inches long so you have some material to cut off (it will resonate low in freq to start). Probably better if you can find some 1/2-inch aluminum tubing (my local metal dealer would have to order that so I used ordinary conduit). I made a 3-element yagi this way and a 27-MHz J-pole using conduit (for a friend). 73, Ed - KL7UW From: John Saxon To: "riese-k3djc at juno.com" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna Message-ID: <902434128.2709709.1468449685583.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Many thanks for all the nice responses. I didn't give the background of my request...I have built lotsa wire dipoles. ?However I wanted to build a rigid 6m dipole. ?And if someone else has done it with accompanying explanation and diagram, I can build it without having to think...always a good thing for me ?:-) Thanks to all,JohnK5ENQ 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Thu Jul 14 04:16:39 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 01:16:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 BETA 1.45 firmware now available In-Reply-To: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468484199402-7620123.post@n2.nabble.com> Great job, Paul. I tested all of the new features this evening (and early morning) and have sent you detailed test results. I would like to highlight one feature in particular. The new PX3 #MAA and #MBA commands control the PX3 markers. These commands can be assigned to a remote knob such as the Pignology PigKnob. The commands have a variant in which the increment need not be specified, but rather the PX3 adopts the per-span / per-mode default increment (just like with the PX3 knob). In short, you just specify "up" or "down". If only the KX3 UP/UPB and DN/DNB remote control commands supported this variant. Hint, hint. I don't own a PigKnob, but I'll take a crack at the syntax ... The following (partial) syntax will allow the PigKnob to control PX3 marker A and QSY the KX3 VFO A frequency to the marker A frequency by pressing button B1, CMD> p Buttons: B1: ;#QSY1; Knob: CW: ;#MAA+; CC: ;#MAA-; Note: You'll want to make sure marker A is enabled, either through button B1 in conjunction with the #QSY1 remote control command, through a second PigKnob button, via the PX3 itself, ... Alternatively, you could control both PX3 marker A and marker B and QSY the KX3 VFO A frequency to the active marker frequency, CMD> p Buttons: B1: ;#QSY1; Knob: CW: ;#MAA+; FCW: ;#MBA+; CC: ;#MAA-; FCC: ;#MBA-; or even control KX3 VFO A (or VFO B) and PX3 marker A (or marker B), CMD> p Buttons: B1: ;#QSY1; Knob: CW: ;UP; FCW: ;#MAA+; CC: ;DN; FCC: ;#MAA-; If someone could test the new PX3 #MAA and #MBA commands using the PigKnob that would be great. I'm sure Nick will clean up my PigKnob syntax. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-BETA-1-45-firmware-now-available-tp7620109p7620123.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hf at dl6dh.de Thu Jul 14 06:35:08 2016 From: hf at dl6dh.de (Henning, DL6DH) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:35:08 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod es K3/0-Mini Message-ID: <00ea01d1ddbb$65eda130$31c8e390$@dl6dh.de> Hi, today I got my K-Pod and I was only able to test it with the K3/0-Mini right now. But I get a few issues: * Tuning with the K-Pod very slowly works fine. Tuning at normal rate, I guess I can go for about five ticks and then it stucks. Normal Knob on the K3/0-Mini continues working fine. After a few seconds, you can turn it further and it reacts again. Tuning to fast, for example up, the VFO goes up in irregular steps and times. Same thing with VFO B and RIT/XIT * Pressing function buttons seems to toggle between terminal mode and local mode, but not activating any macros. Both sides, radio and mini have the latest firmware version 5.50. I know, there is no supporting of the K-Pod and K3/0-Mini explicit written. How about your observations? And are there plans to support this combination in future? 73 Henning From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Jul 14 07:17:55 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:17:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> Summarizing some great offline feedback I'm getting, I can see a few options emerging: 1. Get a loaded K3S/P3 2. Get a loaded KX3/PX3/KXPA100 system 3. Get a loaded/used K3/P3, which "beats" a KX3 system used for a base, at about the cost of a KX3 system 4. Get a "limited" K3S/P3 system, which is similar in most ways to a KX3 system and can be expanded later For the limited K3S option, I think I would do without a SubRX and filter set, no 2M, no new speakers, and come in at $5600. So not about saving money as much as delaying spend. The used K3/P3 option is attractive, but I miss out on the "Next Generation" hardware and add some risk for used equipment. Past the 1 year warranty, I'm only trusting the owner that "as is" is fully functional. The loaded KX3 system can be had used for ~$4000, so not to be dismissed. Expansion options are limited, but a KX3 system may exceed my needs/capabilities for several years. Who know what will be on the market in 2020? Funds don't free up until 1AUG so I've got time for musing and more feedback. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-KX3-vs-K3S-Query-tp7620068p7620125.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joel.b.black at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 07:32:11 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <97DB39B4-9D15-4BF0-A70C-1C09B20313DD@gmail.com> Let me add a little to the fray then. Up to recently, I had both the K3/P3 combo *and* a KX3. I sold the K3/P3 and added a PX3 to the KX3. I am looking to add the KXPA100 sooner or later. My K3 had a lot of options: 100 W amp 2nd receiver BPF on the 1st receiver 500 Hz CW filters in both receivers 2.7 kHz SSB filter in both receivers TCXO Tuner Maybe other options, I cannot remember now. Why did I sell the K3/P3? Well, my lifestyle changed. I work a regular 8-hour job sitting behind a desk. It dawned on me a couple of months ago, when I get home, I sit behind a desk. I took up mountain biking (and eventually running and swimming) to get out of the house more often. I pared down my operation to just the KX3 and added the PX3 because I like being able to see what I?m working - I?m spoiled. Downsides to what I did? Yep: 1. Cannot easily switch between voice and data modes on the KX3. 2. Noise spikes all over the PX3 that drive my OCD haywire. This is a product more of how the PX3 receives spectrum from the KX3 and not the PX3 itself. I never saw all that noise on my P3 because it took the IF from the K3. The PX3 takes the I and Q. Now I get to try and get all the noise out of the shack *or* learn to live with it. 3. I have to run the RX SHFT at 8.0 kHz for every band so the KXFL3 is useless to me. I am working on a 3 or 4PDT switch for the voice to data issue. I will use a macro on the PX3 to swap between the modes as I did on the K3. I haven?t really started working on the noise issue. Not sure how to address #3 as I just noticed it within the past day or two. That said, I?m glad I made the swap. It is way more in line with my operating habits. I am not a contester although I will enter one every now and again. My greatest enjoyment comes from chasing SOTA summits and working SKCC contacts and the JT modes. The KX3/PX3 combo works great for all of those. I?m adding the KXPA100 just for any nets. I?m not in a huge hurry, just looking for a good deal. So, take that or leave it. It?s just my personal experience based on *my* operating habits. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 14, 2016, at 06:17, MaverickNH wrote: > > Summarizing some great offline feedback I'm getting, I can see a few options > emerging: > > 1. Get a loaded K3S/P3 > 2. Get a loaded KX3/PX3/KXPA100 system > 3. Get a loaded/used K3/P3, which "beats" a KX3 system used for a base, at > about the cost of a KX3 system > 4. Get a "limited" K3S/P3 system, which is similar in most ways to a KX3 > system and can be expanded later > > For the limited K3S option, I think I would do without a SubRX and filter > set, no 2M, no new speakers, and come in at $5600. So not about saving money > as much as delaying spend. > > The used K3/P3 option is attractive, but I miss out on the "Next Generation" > hardware and add some risk for used equipment. Past the 1 year warranty, I'm > only trusting the owner that "as is" is fully functional. > > The loaded KX3 system can be had used for ~$4000, so not to be dismissed. > Expansion options are limited, but a KX3 system may exceed my > needs/capabilities for several years. Who know what will be on the market in > 2020? > > Funds don't free up until 1AUG so I've got time for musing and more > feedback. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-KX3-vs-K3S-Query-tp7620068p7620125.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 08:01:18 2016 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:01:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <97DB39B4-9D15-4BF0-A70C-1C09B20313DD@gmail.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> <97DB39B4-9D15-4BF0-A70C-1C09B20313DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Joel, For pain point #1: I set up two macros accessible via the same PF key on the KX3. The last couple of macro commands setup a toggle on each macro line. Makes switching between SSB and Digital very easy/fast with the press of one button. I offer the two macros for your consideration. Adjust as you like. KX3 commands to setup for SSB operation: SWH29;MD2;BW0300;GT004;MG045;AG010;ML000;PC010;MN110;SWT19;SWH18;MN255; KX3 commands to setup for Digital operation: GT002;MG013;AG007;ML007;MD6;DT0;RG250;PA0;PC005;MN096;MP001;MN255;BW9999;SWH29; For pain points 2 and 3, I too am suffering from these noise spikes. Thanks for your experience and applied knowledge. Helps me understand the situation better. I noticed these are more prominent when operating the KX3/PX3 on a shared battery source via powerpoles. When I operate the KX3/PX3 with their individual wall warts when in the shack, I don't see the centre frequency noise. This is a recent revelation. I too had to run the RX shift at 8KHz this past FD and couldn't use narrowing techniques to focus in on a particular PSK signal. The noise peak was so strong it bled 300-500hz into the PSK bandpass. I suppose I could have removed the PX3 from the equation as I really don't need it for PSK. I had it more for RTTY. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Joel Black wrote: > Let me add a little to the fray then. > > Up to recently, I had both the K3/P3 combo *and* a KX3. I sold the K3/P3 > and added a PX3 to the KX3. I am looking to add the KXPA100 sooner or later. > > My K3 had a lot of options: > > 100 W amp > 2nd receiver > BPF on the 1st receiver > 500 Hz CW filters in both receivers > 2.7 kHz SSB filter in both receivers > TCXO > Tuner > > Maybe other options, I cannot remember now. > > Why did I sell the K3/P3? Well, my lifestyle changed. I work a regular > 8-hour job sitting behind a desk. It dawned on me a couple of months ago, > when I get home, I sit behind a desk. I took up mountain biking (and > eventually running and swimming) to get out of the house more often. I > pared down my operation to just the KX3 and added the PX3 because I like > being able to see what I?m working - I?m spoiled. > > Downsides to what I did? Yep: > > 1. Cannot easily switch between voice and data modes on the KX3. > 2. Noise spikes all over the PX3 that drive my OCD haywire. This is a > product more of how the PX3 receives spectrum from the KX3 and not the PX3 > itself. I never saw all that noise on my P3 because it took the IF from the > K3. The PX3 takes the I and Q. Now I get to try and get all the noise out > of the shack *or* learn to live with it. > 3. I have to run the RX SHFT at 8.0 kHz for every band so the KXFL3 is > useless to me. > > I am working on a 3 or 4PDT switch for the voice to data issue. I will use > a macro on the PX3 to swap between the modes as I did on the K3. I haven?t > really started working on the noise issue. Not sure how to address #3 as I > just noticed it within the past day or two. > > That said, I?m glad I made the swap. It is way more in line with my > operating habits. I am not a contester although I will enter one every now > and again. My greatest enjoyment comes from chasing SOTA summits and > working SKCC contacts and the JT modes. The KX3/PX3 combo works great for > all of those. I?m adding the KXPA100 just for any nets. I?m not in a huge > hurry, just looking for a good deal. > > So, take that or leave it. It?s just my personal experience based on *my* > operating habits. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > > > On Jul 14, 2016, at 06:17, MaverickNH wrote: > > > > Summarizing some great offline feedback I'm getting, I can see a few > options > > emerging: > > > > 1. Get a loaded K3S/P3 > > 2. Get a loaded KX3/PX3/KXPA100 system > > 3. Get a loaded/used K3/P3, which "beats" a KX3 system used for a base, > at > > about the cost of a KX3 system > > 4. Get a "limited" K3S/P3 system, which is similar in most ways to a KX3 > > system and can be expanded later > > > > For the limited K3S option, I think I would do without a SubRX and filter > > set, no 2M, no new speakers, and come in at $5600. So not about saving > money > > as much as delaying spend. > > > > The used K3/P3 option is attractive, but I miss out on the "Next > Generation" > > hardware and add some risk for used equipment. Past the 1 year warranty, > I'm > > only trusting the owner that "as is" is fully functional. > > > > The loaded KX3 system can be had used for ~$4000, so not to be dismissed. > > Expansion options are limited, but a KX3 system may exceed my > > needs/capabilities for several years. Who know what will be on the > market in > > 2020? > > > > Funds don't free up until 1AUG so I've got time for musing and more > > feedback. > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-KX3-vs-K3S-Query-tp7620068p7620125.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com From mveeneman at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 09:19:21 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > On Jul 14, 2016, at 7:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > > The used K3/P3 option is attractive, but I miss out on the "Next Generation" > hardware and add some risk for used equipment. Past the 1 year warranty, I'm > only trusting the owner that "as is" is fully functional. > No Elecraft warranty on second owner equipment, regardless of age. Guess how I found out. -- Marc W8SDG From reuben.popp at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 09:22:04 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:22:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> <97DB39B4-9D15-4BF0-A70C-1C09B20313DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been monitoring this list for similar threads now for a bit now as my situation is close to Maverick's. I love my K2, but after having played with some online sets via WebSDR.org and learning some basics on using a panadapter has only piqued my interest to getting a newer set. Data modes are a new area for me to explore; something that's definitely doable with the K2, but it takes a bit more effort to get it set up and working. Beyond that, show me one guy (or gal) among us that has ever said no to the possibility of a new radio. ;) The KX3 setup is appealing to me as I can keep the set near my bed where I can listen later in the evening and yet keep it portable if I want to take it with me. The downsides of it are that it offers limited upgradeability over time (I still haven't added all the options to my K2 that I built years back) and what with no ticket, SWL and listening in on some nets are my main interest. By the time I end up getting a (new or old) KX3 along with its panadapter and installing most of the add-ons, I will be approaching the cost of a base model K3S. And while I am by no means an audiophile, I am curious as to how the KX3's bandwidth (~ 4kHz from what I've read) on the broadcast bands compare to the K3S with the general coverage module. Either way, what with less than ten weeks before bambino number two arrives for the xyl and I, it has been decreed by the missus that I had best make this count as it will likely be the last large purchase for a bit. Purchasing a used K3 and upgrading its components are a definite route as Maverick mentions, but I agree that it imposes a bit of a limit in that I won't have the "latest and greatest", if only to take advantage of any improvements on design and/or layout of components. 73 Reuben On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Brian Waterworth < brian.waterworth at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Joel, > > For pain point #1: I set up two macros accessible via the same PF key on > the KX3. The last couple of macro commands setup a toggle on each macro > line. Makes switching between SSB and Digital very easy/fast with the > press of one button. I offer the two macros for your consideration. > Adjust as you like. > > KX3 commands to setup for SSB operation: > SWH29;MD2;BW0300;GT004;MG045;AG010;ML000;PC010;MN110;SWT19;SWH18;MN255; > > KX3 commands to setup for Digital operation: > > GT002;MG013;AG007;ML007;MD6;DT0;RG250;PA0;PC005;MN096;MP001;MN255;BW9999;SWH29; > > For pain points 2 and 3, I too am suffering from these noise spikes. > Thanks for your experience and applied knowledge. Helps me understand the > situation better. I noticed these are more prominent when operating the > KX3/PX3 on a shared battery source via powerpoles. When I operate the > KX3/PX3 with their individual wall warts when in the shack, I don't see the > centre frequency noise. This is a recent revelation. I too had to run the > RX shift at 8KHz this past FD and couldn't use narrowing techniques to > focus in on a particular PSK signal. The noise peak was so strong it bled > 300-500hz into the PSK bandpass. I suppose I could have removed the PX3 > from the equation as I really don't need it for PSK. I had it more for > RTTY. > > > regards, > Brian > VE3IBW > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Joel Black > wrote: > > > Let me add a little to the fray then. > > > > Up to recently, I had both the K3/P3 combo *and* a KX3. I sold the K3/P3 > > and added a PX3 to the KX3. I am looking to add the KXPA100 sooner or > later. > > > > My K3 had a lot of options: > > > > 100 W amp > > 2nd receiver > > BPF on the 1st receiver > > 500 Hz CW filters in both receivers > > 2.7 kHz SSB filter in both receivers > > TCXO > > Tuner > > > > Maybe other options, I cannot remember now. > > > > Why did I sell the K3/P3? Well, my lifestyle changed. I work a regular > > 8-hour job sitting behind a desk. It dawned on me a couple of months ago, > > when I get home, I sit behind a desk. I took up mountain biking (and > > eventually running and swimming) to get out of the house more often. I > > pared down my operation to just the KX3 and added the PX3 because I like > > being able to see what I?m working - I?m spoiled. > > > > Downsides to what I did? Yep: > > > > 1. Cannot easily switch between voice and data modes on the KX3. > > 2. Noise spikes all over the PX3 that drive my OCD haywire. This is a > > product more of how the PX3 receives spectrum from the KX3 and not the > PX3 > > itself. I never saw all that noise on my P3 because it took the IF from > the > > K3. The PX3 takes the I and Q. Now I get to try and get all the noise out > > of the shack *or* learn to live with it. > > 3. I have to run the RX SHFT at 8.0 kHz for every band so the KXFL3 is > > useless to me. > > > > I am working on a 3 or 4PDT switch for the voice to data issue. I will > use > > a macro on the PX3 to swap between the modes as I did on the K3. I > haven?t > > really started working on the noise issue. Not sure how to address #3 as > I > > just noticed it within the past day or two. > > > > That said, I?m glad I made the swap. It is way more in line with my > > operating habits. I am not a contester although I will enter one every > now > > and again. My greatest enjoyment comes from chasing SOTA summits and > > working SKCC contacts and the JT modes. The KX3/PX3 combo works great for > > all of those. I?m adding the KXPA100 just for any nets. I?m not in a huge > > hurry, just looking for a good deal. > > > > So, take that or leave it. It?s just my personal experience based on *my* > > operating habits. > > > > 73, > > Joel - W4JBB > > > > > On Jul 14, 2016, at 06:17, MaverickNH wrote: > > > > > > Summarizing some great offline feedback I'm getting, I can see a few > > options > > > emerging: > > > > > > 1. Get a loaded K3S/P3 > > > 2. Get a loaded KX3/PX3/KXPA100 system > > > 3. Get a loaded/used K3/P3, which "beats" a KX3 system used for a base, > > at > > > about the cost of a KX3 system > > > 4. Get a "limited" K3S/P3 system, which is similar in most ways to a > KX3 > > > system and can be expanded later > > > > > > For the limited K3S option, I think I would do without a SubRX and > filter > > > set, no 2M, no new speakers, and come in at $5600. So not about saving > > money > > > as much as delaying spend. > > > > > > The used K3/P3 option is attractive, but I miss out on the "Next > > Generation" > > > hardware and add some risk for used equipment. Past the 1 year > warranty, > > I'm > > > only trusting the owner that "as is" is fully functional. > > > > > > The loaded KX3 system can be had used for ~$4000, so not to be > dismissed. > > > Expansion options are limited, but a KX3 system may exceed my > > > needs/capabilities for several years. Who know what will be on the > > market in > > > 2020? > > > > > > Funds don't free up until 1AUG so I've got time for musing and more > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-KX3-vs-K3S-Query-tp7620068p7620125.html > > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to reuben.popp at gmail.com > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Jul 14 10:35:55 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:35:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468495075976-7620125.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <491875045.73091130.1468506929557.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Ah. I suppose Elecraft might cover issues beyond a year for original owners, for for a used unit, you pay the rate/parts. What was your experience, if you don't mind me asking. Best regards, Bret aka Charles Jessee KC1CJN ------ Original Message ------ From: Elecraft mailing list [via Elecraft] To: MaverickNH Sent: July 14, 2016 at 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Another KX3 vs K3S Query... > On Jul 14, 2016, at 7:17 AM, MaverickNH < [hidden email] > wrote: > > The used K3/P3 option is attractive, but I miss out on the "Next Generation" > hardware and add some risk for used equipment. Past the 1 year warranty, I'm > only trusting the owner that "as is" is fully functional. > No Elecraft warranty on second owner equipment, regardless of age. 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From tony.kaz at verizon.net Thu Jul 14 10:45:15 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:45:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MMTTY interface for FSK Message-ID: <002401d1ddde$55c07710$01416530$@verizon.net> I am having brain freeze. I must have changed something but not sure what. Both K3's had been working fine on FSK using MMTTY for years. I can still receive fine, but I can't transmit on either. I am using LP Bridge which is talking fine to either K3. When I hit Xmit in MMTTY the program shows it is sending, but it does not key the K3. All along I have been using COM 1 on my PC for FSK keying. I have been using pin 3 to Pin 1 on the Acc K3 socket. I have not used Pin 7 (PTT) to Pin 4 on the K3. When I measure voltage on Com 1 pin 3 it is -9V. When I hit Xmit in MMTTY it stays at -9V. MMTTY is setup as follows: - Misc tab - COM-TxD (FSK) - TX tab - Port Com1. - I am not using Radio Command K3 - PTT-KEY is OFF-OFF. One K3 has KIO3A using RS232. The other has KIO3B using USB. Also if I ground pin 4 on the Acc socket it does not transmit. Tried another Com port and made the change in MMTTY but the same result. What could I have inadvertently changed so that the Com 1 Pin 3 to stay at -9V? Tnx for any feedback. N2TK, Tony From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 14 11:16:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:16:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MMTTY interface for FSK In-Reply-To: <002401d1ddde$55c07710$01416530$@verizon.net> References: <002401d1ddde$55c07710$01416530$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Tony, If the com port pin stays at -9volts, then the COM port is not "doing its thing". I trust you used a 'scope to look measure it. A DMM will not likely respond quickly enough to see the positive going pulses. Try another COM port. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/14/2016 10:45 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I am having brain freeze. I must have changed something but not sure what. > Both K3's had been working fine on FSK using MMTTY for years. I can still > receive fine, but I can't transmit on either. > > I am using LP Bridge which is talking fine to either K3. > > When I hit Xmit in MMTTY the program shows it is sending, but it does not > key the K3. > > > > All along I have been using COM 1 on my PC for FSK keying. I have been using > pin 3 to Pin 1 on the Acc K3 socket. I have not used Pin 7 (PTT) to Pin 4 on > the K3. > > When I measure voltage on Com 1 pin 3 it is -9V. When I hit Xmit in MMTTY it > stays at -9V. > > > > From lists at subich.com Thu Jul 14 11:29:34 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:29:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MMTTY interface for FSK In-Reply-To: <002401d1ddde$55c07710$01416530$@verizon.net> References: <002401d1ddde$55c07710$01416530$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <78089f75-db90-f87b-312a-39aa8a4bf684@subich.com> > All along I have been using COM 1 on my PC for FSK keying. I have > been using pin 3 to Pin 1 on the Acc K3 socket. I have not used Pin > 7 (PTT) to Pin 4 on the K3. I trust you have been using an NPN transistor between the RS-232 output (+/- 9V) of the serial port and the TTL input (0 to +5V) of the K3 ACC port. If you are not using Radio Command and have not connected Pin 7 of the serial port to pin 4 of the K3 (again using an NPN transistor), I do not know how the K3 would ever switch to transmit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/14/2016 10:45 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I am having brain freeze. I must have changed something but not sure what. > Both K3's had been working fine on FSK using MMTTY for years. I can still > receive fine, but I can't transmit on either. > > I am using LP Bridge which is talking fine to either K3. > > When I hit Xmit in MMTTY the program shows it is sending, but it does not > key the K3. > > > > All along I have been using COM 1 on my PC for FSK keying. I have been using > pin 3 to Pin 1 on the Acc K3 socket. I have not used Pin 7 (PTT) to Pin 4 on > the K3. > > When I measure voltage on Com 1 pin 3 it is -9V. When I hit Xmit in MMTTY it > stays at -9V. > > > > MMTTY is setup as follows: > > - Misc tab - COM-TxD (FSK) > > - TX tab - Port Com1. > > - I am not using Radio Command > > > > K3 > > - PTT-KEY is OFF-OFF. > > One K3 has KIO3A using RS232. The other has KIO3B using USB. > > > > Also if I ground pin 4 on the Acc socket it does not transmit. > > Tried another Com port and made the change in MMTTY but the same result. > > What could I have inadvertently changed so that the Com 1 Pin 3 to stay at > -9V? > > > > Tnx for any feedback. > > N2TK, Tony > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Jul 14 13:37:05 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:37:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6m antenna In-Reply-To: <201607140739.u6E7dl8Z001692@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I have a 10M vertical made of 1/2" copper water pipe with a ground plane of aluminum window screen. It works reasonably well. One piece of advice is to sweat or otherwise ensure good contact in all joints that should be connected in the antenna. Ask me how I know. :-) 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/13/16 at 12:39 AM, kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) wrote: >Probably better if you can find some 1/2-inch aluminum tubing >(my local metal dealer would have to order that so I used >ordinary conduit). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From pauls at elecraft.com Thu Jul 14 13:39:38 2016 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:39:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 BETA 1.45 firmware now available In-Reply-To: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468517978488-7620135.post@n2.nabble.com> There is a known bug with the macro import feature. As a work around, after the macros have been exported to a file, you will need to rename the file "px3macro.txt" to "macros.txt" . Also, the PX3 does not support flash drives that have been formatted using NTFS, you must use FAT or FAT32. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-BETA-1-45-firmware-now-available-tp7620109p7620135.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Thu Jul 14 14:16:53 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:16:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 BETA 1.45 firmware now available In-Reply-To: <1468517978488-7620135.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468517978488-7620135.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468520213648-7620136.post@n2.nabble.com> > There is a known bug with the macro import feature. As a work around, > after the macros > have been exported to a file, you will need to rename the file > "px3macro.txt" to "macros.txt" . This is what's referred to as an "undocumented feature". This feature allows the user to save / restore one of possibly many text message / macro "sets" where a "set" is a collection of 50 text messages and 50 macros targeting a specific operating scenario. The best "fix" is to allow the user to (optionally) enter (override) the default name in importing a text message / macro file. I'm excited to see the text message / macro file is in text format. Has anyone developed a PC-based utility to manage the text message / macro file? 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-BETA-1-45-firmware-now-available-tp7620109p7620136.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From clift.andy at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 14:40:23 2016 From: clift.andy at gmail.com (Andy Clift) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:40:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 14 15:06:17 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:06:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andy, Is your KX2 receiving or is the problem just with TX? It sounds like you replaced the end panels with the 3rd party option. Did you try the KX2 before doing that? 73, Phil W7OX On 7/14/16 11:40 AM, Andy Clift wrote: > Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Jul 14 15:12:05 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:12:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C310533-2C2D-4358-B8B0-FA7C83AF1806@wunderwood.org> Do you have a ?counterpoise? wire? An EFHW can be very sensitive to nearby objects without that. Another approach is to use an end-fed non-resonant wire. Just yesterday with my KX3, I was using a 26 foot wire thrown in a tree and a 16 foot wire laid on the ground. An end-fed half wave has a very high impedance. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 14, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Andy Clift wrote: > > Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From tony.kaz at verizon.net Thu Jul 14 15:39:01 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MMTTY interface for FSK In-Reply-To: <78089f75-db90-f87b-312a-39aa8a4bf684@subich.com> References: <002401d1ddde$55c07710$01416530$@verizon.net> <78089f75-db90-f87b-312a-39aa8a4bf684@subich.com> Message-ID: <001901d1de07$5f77a930$1e66fb90$@verizon.net> W4TV and W3FPR got me down the right path. I forgot that it is a pulse on RS232 pin1. Got the scope out and it is fine. Thanks Don. Got to get me one of those small, lightweight scopes. I had both transistors in the RS232 shell (FSK keying and PTT) and when I opened the shell it looked like I had not hooked up the transistor to pin4 of the Acc plug. Actually I must have cold soldered the lead and it broke free after several years. When I first looked at the lead it seemed I had unsoldered the lead and insulated it. That is why I had thought I was keying without the PTT. But as Joe pointed out, no way. Back in business. Thanks for the help. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:30 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - MMTTY interface for FSK > All along I have been using COM 1 on my PC for FSK keying. I have been > using pin 3 to Pin 1 on the Acc K3 socket. I have not used Pin > 7 (PTT) to Pin 4 on the K3. I trust you have been using an NPN transistor between the RS-232 output (+/- 9V) of the serial port and the TTL input (0 to +5V) of the K3 ACC port. If you are not using Radio Command and have not connected Pin 7 of the serial port to pin 4 of the K3 (again using an NPN transistor), I do not know how the K3 would ever switch to transmit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/14/2016 10:45 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I am having brain freeze. I must have changed something but not sure what. > Both K3's had been working fine on FSK using MMTTY for years. I can > still receive fine, but I can't transmit on either. > > I am using LP Bridge which is talking fine to either K3. > > When I hit Xmit in MMTTY the program shows it is sending, but it does > not key the K3. > > > > All along I have been using COM 1 on my PC for FSK keying. I have been > using pin 3 to Pin 1 on the Acc K3 socket. I have not used Pin 7 (PTT) > to Pin 4 on the K3. > > When I measure voltage on Com 1 pin 3 it is -9V. When I hit Xmit in > MMTTY it stays at -9V. > > > > MMTTY is setup as follows: > > - Misc tab - COM-TxD (FSK) > > - TX tab - Port Com1. > > - I am not using Radio Command > > > > K3 > > - PTT-KEY is OFF-OFF. > > One K3 has KIO3A using RS232. The other has KIO3B using USB. > > > > Also if I ground pin 4 on the Acc socket it does not transmit. > > Tried another Com port and made the change in MMTTY but the same result. > > What could I have inadvertently changed so that the Com 1 Pin 3 to > stay at -9V? > > > > Tnx for any feedback. > > N2TK, Tony > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:03:15 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:03:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andy, What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it properly? If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - as well as the SWR. That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is the matching device? Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: > Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From bwruble at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:10:09 2016 From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F Wruble) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:10:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation Message-ID: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> When the K3S first came out, I ordered the new synthesizer boards for my K3, and they installed easily and worked great. I also ordered the KXV3B, KAT3A and the KBPF3A. I am just now getting ready to install these. Does anybody have advice on the best order to install them? Or any cautions, lessons learned, etc.? Tnx. 73 de Brian W3BW Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. Sent from my iPad Air 2 From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Jul 14 16:44:02 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:44:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation In-Reply-To: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> References: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> Message-ID: They're kind of spread out so I don't thinking makes much difference. Download the various assembly manuals and see if there are two or more that need common panels/parts unassembled and do those at the same time. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 14, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Brian F Wruble wrote: > > When the K3S first came out, I ordered the new synthesizer boards for my K3, and they installed easily and worked great. > > I also ordered the KXV3B, KAT3A and the KBPF3A. I am just now getting ready to install these. Does anybody have advice on the best order to install them? Or any cautions, lessons learned, etc.? > > Tnx. 73 de Brian W3BW > > Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. > Sent from my iPad Air 2 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From bob at hogbytes.com Thu Jul 14 17:02:03 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:02:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 BETA 1.45 firmware now available In-Reply-To: <1468520213648-7620136.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468456217762-7620109.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468517978488-7620135.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468520213648-7620136.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468530123182-7620143.post@n2.nabble.com> I am unable to recall any of the saved message memories . F key and Alt Fkey do nothing CTLFkey and ShiftFkey send me to boot screen. Reloaded last version and working as before. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-BETA-1-45-firmware-now-available-tp7620109p7620143.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Jul 14 17:22:49 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: PigKnob not needed - got a K-pod Message-ID: If anyone is interested in buying my PigKnob - contact me off list. Bill W2BLC K-Line From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Thu Jul 14 17:35:03 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:35:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with K2? In-Reply-To: <2c0f6a0d-409c-ff8c-c27a-9d9bfeb872a3@nilza.org> References: <20160713001806.379dfc8c@desktop-1.home> <43aea55b-c97e-468a-3b2d-974613843e97@nilza.org> <1468446668848-7620083.post@n2.nabble.com> <2c0f6a0d-409c-ff8c-c27a-9d9bfeb872a3@nilza.org> Message-ID: <1468532103035-7620145.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Tom Looking forward to hearing about your results! Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote > Good question. I ordered one and will find out when I try to put it in. > I could find no instructions but have not written back to see if they > have any. > > 73, tom w7sua 73 ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-with-K2-tp7620046p7620145.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Jul 14 17:40:24 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:40:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of course to marginally lower the SWR. Dave AB7E On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Andy, > > What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it > properly? > If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. > > Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the > antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - > as well as the SWR. > That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. > > You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If > instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is > the matching device? > Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many > manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. > > If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve >> tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that >> I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in >> the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector >> and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit >> the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From k6jw at cox.net Thu Jul 14 17:54:02 2016 From: k6jw at cox.net (Jeffrey Wolf) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:54:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, There?s really no advantage unless you?re looking to have more control over battery maintenance. My personal preference is to have a maximum amount of control over the maintenance of my batteries. This means charge monitoring *with digital readout from the charger) that?s configurable for maximum charging without overcharging. It means being able to cycle batteries to a predetermined degree of discharge before recharging. And it means being able to balance the cells in any pack without built-in circuitry. If you?re happy with the Bioenno ?blind? setup, go for it. Many appear to be doing it happily. I simply wanted more control. My setup is a Turnigy Accucel-6 charger with built-in cycling and balancing capability combined with a Zippy 4300 MAH battery, both available at reasonable cost from Hobby King. I?m not pushing their stuff, but it has worked well for me. A fully charged battery will run my KX3 for at least 24 hours. 73, Jeff, K6JW Message: 20 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:24:22 -0700 From: Todd To: David Corsello Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger Message-ID: <57867946.3050701 at sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jeff, for my education would you please explain the advantages of using a balancing charger with a non-self-balancing battery over using a non-balancing, LiFePO4-compatible charger with a self-balancing battery? --Dave From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Jul 14 17:54:58 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:54:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: I use an EFHW on 80-10, no dedicated counterpoise, no coax length rqmts. However, NEC2 doesn't like a source at the open end of a wire so to model it, I have to put some counterpoise on the wire. Length not critical, 5-10 ft is fine. 73, Fred K6DGW David Gilbert wrote: > >I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a >counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a >counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the >feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the >counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. > >Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the >feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of >course to marginally lower the SWR. > >Dave >AB7E > > >On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Andy, >> >> What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it >> properly? >> If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. >> >> Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the >> antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - >> as well as the SWR. >> That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. >> >> You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If >> instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is >> the matching device? >> Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many >> manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. >> >> If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >>> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve >>> tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that >>> I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in >>> the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector >>> and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit >>> the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From richard at langestreet.com Thu Jul 14 18:17:18 2016 From: richard at langestreet.com (Richard Lange) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:17:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Bag Option Message-ID: My KX2 arrived today. :-) I quickly put my Gemsproducts side plates on so that the knobs and shiny new bezel would stay retain that new-radio-luster. With the plates on, I was pleased to see that it easily fit into a molle water bottle pouch with enough additional room for the mike and coiled antenna. The pouch is insulated/padded and has molle webbing to allow it to be integrated into nearly any packing system I could imagine. I figured I'd pass this along for the good of the order and add a thank-you for the collective wisdom I've been absorbing in anticipation of today's arrival. THANK-YOU! Richard / KG7GDP From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Jul 14 18:42:40 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> The transmitter needs to drive into two terminals. That is how electricity works. If you do not provide a ground or a capacitive RF ground (counterpoise), the ground is the chassis of the transmitter. In a big grounded shack, that might be a stable reference. Otherwise, you need to provide a ground reference. Without that, the feed impedance changes every time you touch the rig. The ground reference does not need to handle much RF current, because of the high impedance feed (around 10 kOhms). Even a little capacitance to ground will stabilize the feedpoint impedance. A minimum length of coax feedline would reduce the SWR due to losses, but it would also provide an RF ground reference with currents on the outside of the shield. Currents on the inside of the shield are balanced, of course. Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. > > Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of course to marginally lower the SWR. > > Dave > AB7E > > > On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Andy, >> >> What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it properly? >> If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. >> >> Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - as well as the SWR. >> That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. >> >> You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is the matching device? >> Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. >> >> If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >>> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 14 19:36:34 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:36:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation In-Reply-To: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> References: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> Message-ID: Brian, Those are in physically different areas of the K3, so I don't think the order is significant. If you have the KRX3 installed, I would suggest adding the KBPF3A first (don't forget the added capacitor to the regulator output), and then leave the KRX3 assembly out until you have installed the KXV3B. There is no electrical significance to my suggested order, but without the KRX3 in place, you will have more "finger room" when installing the KXV3B. Hint on the KXV3B - remove the left side panel to give you more access, and slightly form the male pins of the KXV3B to the K3 rear before trying to insert them into the header. Put the pins on a flat surface and apply a bit of pressure - you only need to bend them a bit. You will understand if you first try to put the pins into the header before bending the pins. Of course, you could remove the entire rear panel to get the pins to align, but that is an extreme solution to the problem. The slightly bent pins will not pose any problem once the KXV3B is fastened in place. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/14/2016 4:10 PM, Brian F Wruble wrote: > When the K3S first came out, I ordered the new synthesizer boards for my K3, and they installed easily and worked great. > > I also ordered the KXV3B, KAT3A and the KBPF3A. I am just now getting ready to install these. Does anybody have advice on the best order to install them? Or any cautions, lessons learned, etc.? > > Tnx. 73 de Brian W3BW > > Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. > Sent from my iPad Air 2 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From w7lkg at comcast.net Thu Jul 14 19:44:27 2016 From: w7lkg at comcast.net (Richard S. Leary) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation In-Reply-To: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> References: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301d1de29$a96355e0$fc2a01a0$@net> Brian, I just added the KIO3B, KXV3B, and KBPF3A mods. As per W3FPR, Don's advise, I did the KXV3B first, then the KIO3B, then the KBPF3A. I don't have the KAT3A, but I do have a K3/100, with ATU, internal 2 mtr xvtr, and the 2nd receiver. Had to take off top cover, remove 2 mtr xvtr, 2nd rcvr, then the left side panel (makes getting to the KXV3B install a lot easier), and then one section of the bottom cover. None of any of the procedures are any trouble. Just be careful doing the KBPF3A stuff. I had a couple of SMT's go flying, but actually got them back. Pretty straight forward. Just be careful, and read the instructions two steps ahead. Everything worked just fine when it got put back together. I'm 80, left handed, have bilateral tremors, and still it's a breeze. Enjoy. 73, Rick, W7LKG -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian F Wruble Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 13:10 To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation When the K3S first came out, I ordered the new synthesizer boards for my K3, and they installed easily and worked great. I also ordered the KXV3B, KAT3A and the KBPF3A. I am just now getting ready to install these. Does anybody have advice on the best order to install them? Or any cautions, lessons learned, etc.? Tnx. 73 de Brian W3BW Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. Sent from my iPad Air 2 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w7lkg at comcast.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 14 19:56:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:56:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> Dave, All that is theoretical does not translate directly to the physical world. Take a look at http://www.aa5tb.com/efha.html for more information. The counterpoise does not need to be very long, but it does need to be present. If the coupling between the high impedance side of the matching device is connected at the "ground side" to the shield of the coax, then the coax shield can act as the counterpoise (with the attendant risk of RF-in-the-shack), but does require some minimum length of coax to be effective - the PAR EndFedZ is one example. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/14/2016 5:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a > counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a > counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the > feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the > counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. > > Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the > feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of > course to marginally lower the SWR. > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Jul 14 20:14:20 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:14:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <4792f84d-d7d7-18cc-d124-0f6c82d3f17e@cis-broadband.com> OK, I can buy that ... except that the term "ground reference" as used by you and Don doesn't really apply. The counterpoise is simply providing some minimal balance to the high impedance at the end of the EFHW, and it doesn't need to have anything to do with "ground". If the counterpoise is located at the rig (as I inadvertently thought Don was suggesting) instead of at the end of the antenna then indeed the feedline would radiate, and if located at the rig the impedance transformation effect of the transmission line (depending upon it's length) could easily put a low impedance there ... rendering a short counterpoise essentially ineffective. For the record, I know how electricity works. Dave AB7E On 7/14/2016 3:42 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The transmitter needs to drive into two terminals. That is how electricity works. If you do not provide a ground or a capacitive RF ground (counterpoise), the ground is the chassis of the transmitter. In a big grounded shack, that might be a stable reference. Otherwise, you need to provide a ground reference. Without that, the feed impedance changes every time you touch the rig. > > The ground reference does not need to handle much RF current, because of the high impedance feed (around 10 kOhms). Even a little capacitance to ground will stabilize the feedpoint impedance. > > A minimum length of coax feedline would reduce the SWR due to losses, but it would also provide an RF ground reference with currents on the outside of the shield. Currents on the inside of the shield are balanced, of course. > > Walter Underwood > wunder at wunderwood.org > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > >> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> >> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. >> >> Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of course to marginally lower the SWR. >> >> Dave >> AB7E >> >> >> On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Andy, >>> >>> What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it properly? >>> If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. >>> >>> Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - as well as the SWR. >>> That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. >>> >>> You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is the matching device? >>> Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. >>> >>> If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >>>> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Jul 14 20:26:29 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <070d3d7c-4c29-a518-4a85-3938be7124bf@cis-broadband.com> Yup ... that all makes sense. The counterpoise as described by that link is at the antenna where it should be, and it compensates for the fact that the network can't produce an infinitely high impedance feed. I stand corrected. Using the coax for a "counterpoise" is a really bad idea, though. There would essentially be no defined counterpoise. There would be no control at all over what kind of balance the coax provides to the matching network at the end of the EFHW. Length of the coax would have an effect, and not just the requirement for some minimum length ... the transmission line effect of the length would change its characteristics as seen by the antenna. Proximity of the coax to nearby structures would also affect what the antenna actually saw. 73, Dave AB7E On 7/14/2016 4:56 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > All that is theoretical does not translate directly to the physical > world. > Take a look at http://www.aa5tb.com/efha.html for more information. > The counterpoise does not need to be very long, but it does need to be > present. > > If the coupling between the high impedance side of the matching device > is connected at the "ground side" to the shield of the coax, then the > coax shield can act as the counterpoise (with the attendant risk of > RF-in-the-shack), but does require some minimum length of coax to be > effective - the PAR EndFedZ is one example. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 7/14/2016 5:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a >> counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a >> counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the >> feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the >> counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. >> >> Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the >> feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of >> course to marginally lower the SWR. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Jul 14 20:38:56 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:38:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <4792f84d-d7d7-18cc-d124-0f6c82d3f17e@cis-broadband.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> <4792f84d-d7d7-18cc-d124-0f6c82d3f17e@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <4B77B224-9967-4E18-8ED2-5633BB3989DA@wunderwood.org> I totally agree. End-fed half waves are tweaky. One terminal is the antenna wire and the other terminal must be something. The RF will find something to drive as the other ?pole? of the antenna. There are no monopole antennas. It could be the outside of the coax, it could be a ?counterpoise? (not fond of that term), or it could be your hand on the key. Ouch. I was using ?ground reference? as the negative side of what you measure RF voltage against. Whatever that is. There might be an antenna topic with more voodoo than end-fed antennas, but I don?t know what it is. The EC-130J flies a long wire out behind it and broadcasts on medium wave. I guess the other pole of that antenna is the airplane itself. http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/104535/ec-130j-commando-solo.aspx wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:14 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > OK, I can buy that ... except that the term "ground reference" as used by you and Don doesn't really apply. The counterpoise is simply providing some minimal balance to the high impedance at the end of the EFHW, and it doesn't need to have anything to do with "ground". > > If the counterpoise is located at the rig (as I inadvertently thought Don was suggesting) instead of at the end of the antenna then indeed the feedline would radiate, and if located at the rig the impedance transformation effect of the transmission line (depending upon it's length) could easily put a low impedance there ... rendering a short counterpoise essentially ineffective. > > For the record, I know how electricity works. > > Dave AB7E > > > On 7/14/2016 3:42 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> The transmitter needs to drive into two terminals. That is how electricity works. If you do not provide a ground or a capacitive RF ground (counterpoise), the ground is the chassis of the transmitter. In a big grounded shack, that might be a stable reference. Otherwise, you need to provide a ground reference. Without that, the feed impedance changes every time you touch the rig. >> >> The ground reference does not need to handle much RF current, because of the high impedance feed (around 10 kOhms). Even a little capacitance to ground will stabilize the feedpoint impedance. >> >> A minimum length of coax feedline would reduce the SWR due to losses, but it would also provide an RF ground reference with currents on the outside of the shield. Currents on the inside of the shield are balanced, of course. >> >> Walter Underwood >> wunder at wunderwood.org >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >> >>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. >>> >>> Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of course to marginally lower the SWR. >>> >>> Dave >>> AB7E >>> >>> >>> On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it properly? >>>> If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. >>>> >>>> Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - as well as the SWR. >>>> That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. >>>> >>>> You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is the matching device? >>>> Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. >>>> >>>> If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >>>>> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 14 20:40:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <070d3d7c-4c29-a518-4a85-3938be7124bf@cis-broadband.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> <070d3d7c-4c29-a518-4a85-3938be7124bf@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <0e087864-f75e-402a-1155-99921eff5de1@embarqmail.com> Dave, Most of the commercial end fed halfwave antennas are designed for low power (100 watts and under). So the use of the coax shield as the counterpoise element is not a big problem in most cases. Add to that, the EFHW is an easy solution for portable operation - an easy up effective antenna. At the home station where more than QRP power is common, that is where the difficulties with EFHW antennas become more problematic. In other words, RF-in-the-shack at QRP levels may not be noticable, but at higher power levels, it can cause problems. That being said, I can run my LNR/PAR EndFedZ for 40/20 meters at 100 watts with no apparent problems. I would not want to push it much higher. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/14/2016 8:26 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > Yup ... that all makes sense. The counterpoise as described by that > link is at the antenna where it should be, and it compensates for the > fact that the network can't produce an infinitely high impedance > feed. I stand corrected. > > Using the coax for a "counterpoise" is a really bad idea, though. > There would essentially be no defined counterpoise. There would be > no control at all over what kind of balance the coax provides to the > matching network at the end of the EFHW. Length of the coax would > have an effect, and not just the requirement for some minimum length > ... the transmission line effect of the length would change its > characteristics as seen by the antenna. Proximity of the coax to > nearby structures would also affect what the antenna actually saw. > > 73, > Dave AB7E > > > > On 7/14/2016 4:56 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Dave, >> >> All that is theoretical does not translate directly to the physical >> world. >> Take a look at http://www.aa5tb.com/efha.html for more information. >> The counterpoise does not need to be very long, but it does need to >> be present. >> >> If the coupling between the high impedance side of the matching >> device is connected at the "ground side" to the shield of the coax, >> then the coax shield can act as the counterpoise (with the attendant >> risk of RF-in-the-shack), but does require some minimum length of >> coax to be effective - the PAR EndFedZ is one example. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 7/14/2016 5:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a >>> counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a >>> counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the >>> feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the >>> counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. >>> >>> Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the >>> feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of >>> course to marginally lower the SWR. >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 14 21:01:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:01:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <4B77B224-9967-4E18-8ED2-5633BB3989DA@wunderwood.org> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> <4792f84d-d7d7-18cc-d124-0f6c82d3f17e@cis-broadband.com> <4B77B224-9967-4E18-8ED2-5633BB3989DA@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <1b9c3681-d043-2432-b7de-7d64a1f3edf0@embarqmail.com> Keep in mind that the original End Fed Half Wave antenna was the original Zepp antenna. A halfwave radiator that was fed from one side of a quarter wave transmission line. That antenna was trailed from a Zeppelin airship. The 1/4 wave transmission line reduced the high impedance of the halfwave antenna to a low impedance (see transmission line characteristics). The ideal characteristic impedance for the 1/4 wave transmission line is 300 ohms - see the work of N3GO - "the J-Pole according to N3GO" at http://knightlites.org/n3go_workshop/index.htm. Of course, the transmitters in those airships had adjustable amplifier tank circuits which could match almost anything except a very high impedance - that function has been moved to the ATU in recent times and the PA output stage is designed to work into 50 ohms. If you want a modern-day example of the EFHW fed with 1/4 wave transmission line, consider the J-Pole antenna that is popular for VHF - it is nothing more than the original Zepp antenna oriented vertically. I have no idea how the "Zepp antenna" designation has been construed in amateur radio circles to apply to a balanced center fed non-resonant radiator but it has been so construed that we have to be careful when saying "I have a Zepp (or Extended Zepp) antenna - it no longer means what it originally did. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/14/2016 8:38 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I totally agree. End-fed half waves are tweaky. One terminal is the antenna wire and the other terminal must be something. The RF will find something to drive as the other ?pole? of the antenna. There are no monopole antennas. > > It could be the outside of the coax, it could be a ?counterpoise? (not fond of that term), or it could be your hand on the key. Ouch. > > I was using ?ground reference? as the negative side of what you measure RF voltage against. Whatever that is. > > There might be an antenna topic with more voodoo than end-fed antennas, but I don?t know what it is. The EC-130J flies a long wire out behind it and broadcasts on medium wave. I guess the other pole of that antenna is the airplane itself. http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/104535/ec-130j-commando-solo.aspx > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:14 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> OK, I can buy that ... except that the term "ground reference" as used by you and Don doesn't really apply. The counterpoise is simply providing some minimal balance to the high impedance at the end of the EFHW, and it doesn't need to have anything to do with "ground". >> >> If the counterpoise is located at the rig (as I inadvertently thought Don was suggesting) instead of at the end of the antenna then indeed the feedline would radiate, and if located at the rig the impedance transformation effect of the transmission line (depending upon it's length) could easily put a low impedance there ... rendering a short counterpoise essentially ineffective. >> >> For the record, I know how electricity works. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> On 7/14/2016 3:42 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> The transmitter needs to drive into two terminals. That is how electricity works. If you do not provide a ground or a capacitive RF ground (counterpoise), the ground is the chassis of the transmitter. In a big grounded shack, that might be a stable reference. Otherwise, you need to provide a ground reference. Without that, the feed impedance changes every time you touch the rig. >>> >>> The ground reference does not need to handle much RF current, because of the high impedance feed (around 10 kOhms). Even a little capacitance to ground will stabilize the feedpoint impedance. >>> >>> A minimum length of coax feedline would reduce the SWR due to losses, but it would also provide an RF ground reference with currents on the outside of the shield. Currents on the inside of the shield are balanced, of course. >>> >>> Walter Underwood >>> wunder at wunderwood.org >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. >>>> >>>> Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of course to marginally lower the SWR. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> AB7E >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>>> Andy, >>>>> >>>>> What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it properly? >>>>> If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - as well as the SWR. >>>>> That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. >>>>> >>>>> You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is the matching device? >>>>> Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. >>>>> >>>>> If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Don W3FPR >>>>> >>>>> On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >>>>>> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From mcb2179 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 23:34:06 2016 From: mcb2179 at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 22:34:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <1b9c3681-d043-2432-b7de-7d64a1f3edf0@embarqmail.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> <4792f84d-d7d7-18cc-d124-0f6c82d3f17e@cis-broadband.com> <4B77B224-9967-4E18-8ED2-5633BB3989DA@wunderwood.org> <1b9c3681-d043-2432-b7de-7d64a1f3edf0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5860A295-8ECC-44F1-A398-F13C348A37E3@gmail.com> A few years ago I built a parallel LC network from a roller inductor and a variable cap rated for approximately 2.5kv and have used it to match 20 meter EFHW many times. I run 500 watts into it from the kpa500 through a choke balun in the shack. I use (5) 8 foot radials for a counterpoise and I tape the wire to a 40 foot spiderbeam fiberglass pole in a vertical configuration. I have never had any problems with rf in the shack using this antenna with the choke. In fact I have more problems with rf from my 80 meter inverted-L than I do the EFHW. I built the antenna for field day use but I have had excellent results with it in several local and DX contests. I easily have over 3000 q's with this antenna and the only real complaint I have is that at times it can be a bit noisy. I originally built the box to match a 40 meter halfsquare but it works well on 20, 80, and 160 as well. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Keep in mind that the original End Fed Half Wave antenna was the original Zepp antenna. > A halfwave radiator that was fed from one side of a quarter wave transmission line. > That antenna was trailed from a Zeppelin airship. The 1/4 wave transmission line reduced the high impedance of the halfwave antenna to a low impedance (see transmission line characteristics). The ideal characteristic impedance for the 1/4 wave transmission line is 300 ohms - see the work of N3GO - "the J-Pole according to N3GO" at http://knightlites.org/n3go_workshop/index.htm. > > Of course, the transmitters in those airships had adjustable amplifier tank circuits which could match almost anything except a very high impedance - that function has been moved to the ATU in recent times and the PA output stage is designed to work into 50 ohms. > > If you want a modern-day example of the EFHW fed with 1/4 wave transmission line, consider the J-Pole antenna that is popular for VHF - it is nothing more than the original Zepp antenna oriented vertically. > > I have no idea how the "Zepp antenna" designation has been construed in amateur radio circles to apply to a balanced center fed non-resonant radiator but it has been so construed that we have to be careful when saying "I have a Zepp (or Extended Zepp) antenna - it no longer means what it originally did. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/14/2016 8:38 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> I totally agree. End-fed half waves are tweaky. One terminal is the antenna wire and the other terminal must be something. The RF will find something to drive as the other ?pole? of the antenna. There are no monopole antennas. >> >> It could be the outside of the coax, it could be a ?counterpoise? (not fond of that term), or it could be your hand on the key. Ouch. >> >> I was using ?ground reference? as the negative side of what you measure RF voltage against. Whatever that is. >> >> There might be an antenna topic with more voodoo than end-fed antennas, but I don?t know what it is. The EC-130J flies a long wire out behind it and broadcasts on medium wave. I guess the other pole of that antenna is the airplane itself. http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/104535/ec-130j-commando-solo.aspx >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:14 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> OK, I can buy that ... except that the term "ground reference" as used by you and Don doesn't really apply. The counterpoise is simply providing some minimal balance to the high impedance at the end of the EFHW, and it doesn't need to have anything to do with "ground". >>> >>> If the counterpoise is located at the rig (as I inadvertently thought Don was suggesting) instead of at the end of the antenna then indeed the feedline would radiate, and if located at the rig the impedance transformation effect of the transmission line (depending upon it's length) could easily put a low impedance there ... rendering a short counterpoise essentially ineffective. >>> >>> For the record, I know how electricity works. >>> >>> Dave AB7E >>> >>> >>>> On 7/14/2016 3:42 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>>> The transmitter needs to drive into two terminals. That is how electricity works. If you do not provide a ground or a capacitive RF ground (counterpoise), the ground is the chassis of the transmitter. In a big grounded shack, that might be a stable reference. Otherwise, you need to provide a ground reference. Without that, the feed impedance changes every time you touch the rig. >>>> >>>> The ground reference does not need to handle much RF current, because of the high impedance feed (around 10 kOhms). Even a little capacitance to ground will stabilize the feedpoint impedance. >>>> >>>> A minimum length of coax feedline would reduce the SWR due to losses, but it would also provide an RF ground reference with currents on the outside of the shield. Currents on the inside of the shield are balanced, of course. >>>> >>>> Walter Underwood >>>> wunder at wunderwood.org >>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. >>>>> >>>>> Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of course to marginally lower the SWR. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> AB7E >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>>>> Andy, >>>>>> >>>>>> What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it properly? >>>>>> If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - as well as the SWR. >>>>>> That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. >>>>>> >>>>>> You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is the matching device? >>>>>> Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> Don W3FPR >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >>>>>>> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mcb2179 at gmail.com From mcb2179 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 23:34:06 2016 From: mcb2179 at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 22:34:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <1b9c3681-d043-2432-b7de-7d64a1f3edf0@embarqmail.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> <4792f84d-d7d7-18cc-d124-0f6c82d3f17e@cis-broadband.com> <4B77B224-9967-4E18-8ED2-5633BB3989DA@wunderwood.org> <1b9c3681-d043-2432-b7de-7d64a1f3edf0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5860A295-8ECC-44F1-A398-F13C348A37E3@gmail.com> A few years ago I built a parallel LC network from a roller inductor and a variable cap rated for approximately 2.5kv and have used it to match 20 meter EFHW many times. I run 500 watts into it from the kpa500 through a choke balun in the shack. I use (5) 8 foot radials for a counterpoise and I tape the wire to a 40 foot spiderbeam fiberglass pole in a vertical configuration. I have never had any problems with rf in the shack using this antenna with the choke. In fact I have more problems with rf from my 80 meter inverted-L than I do the EFHW. I built the antenna for field day use but I have had excellent results with it in several local and DX contests. I easily have over 3000 q's with this antenna and the only real complaint I have is that at times it can be a bit noisy. I originally built the box to match a 40 meter halfsquare but it works well on 20, 80, and 160 as well. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Keep in mind that the original End Fed Half Wave antenna was the original Zepp antenna. > A halfwave radiator that was fed from one side of a quarter wave transmission line. > That antenna was trailed from a Zeppelin airship. The 1/4 wave transmission line reduced the high impedance of the halfwave antenna to a low impedance (see transmission line characteristics). The ideal characteristic impedance for the 1/4 wave transmission line is 300 ohms - see the work of N3GO - "the J-Pole according to N3GO" at http://knightlites.org/n3go_workshop/index.htm. > > Of course, the transmitters in those airships had adjustable amplifier tank circuits which could match almost anything except a very high impedance - that function has been moved to the ATU in recent times and the PA output stage is designed to work into 50 ohms. > > If you want a modern-day example of the EFHW fed with 1/4 wave transmission line, consider the J-Pole antenna that is popular for VHF - it is nothing more than the original Zepp antenna oriented vertically. > > I have no idea how the "Zepp antenna" designation has been construed in amateur radio circles to apply to a balanced center fed non-resonant radiator but it has been so construed that we have to be careful when saying "I have a Zepp (or Extended Zepp) antenna - it no longer means what it originally did. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 7/14/2016 8:38 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> I totally agree. End-fed half waves are tweaky. One terminal is the antenna wire and the other terminal must be something. The RF will find something to drive as the other ?pole? of the antenna. There are no monopole antennas. >> >> It could be the outside of the coax, it could be a ?counterpoise? (not fond of that term), or it could be your hand on the key. Ouch. >> >> I was using ?ground reference? as the negative side of what you measure RF voltage against. Whatever that is. >> >> There might be an antenna topic with more voodoo than end-fed antennas, but I don?t know what it is. The EC-130J flies a long wire out behind it and broadcasts on medium wave. I guess the other pole of that antenna is the airplane itself. http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/104535/ec-130j-commando-solo.aspx >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:14 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> OK, I can buy that ... except that the term "ground reference" as used by you and Don doesn't really apply. The counterpoise is simply providing some minimal balance to the high impedance at the end of the EFHW, and it doesn't need to have anything to do with "ground". >>> >>> If the counterpoise is located at the rig (as I inadvertently thought Don was suggesting) instead of at the end of the antenna then indeed the feedline would radiate, and if located at the rig the impedance transformation effect of the transmission line (depending upon it's length) could easily put a low impedance there ... rendering a short counterpoise essentially ineffective. >>> >>> For the record, I know how electricity works. >>> >>> Dave AB7E >>> >>> >>>> On 7/14/2016 3:42 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>>> The transmitter needs to drive into two terminals. That is how electricity works. If you do not provide a ground or a capacitive RF ground (counterpoise), the ground is the chassis of the transmitter. In a big grounded shack, that might be a stable reference. Otherwise, you need to provide a ground reference. Without that, the feed impedance changes every time you touch the rig. >>>> >>>> The ground reference does not need to handle much RF current, because of the high impedance feed (around 10 kOhms). Even a little capacitance to ground will stabilize the feedpoint impedance. >>>> >>>> A minimum length of coax feedline would reduce the SWR due to losses, but it would also provide an RF ground reference with currents on the outside of the shield. Currents on the inside of the shield are balanced, of course. >>>> >>>> Walter Underwood >>>> wunder at wunderwood.org >>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:40 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm confused why an EFHW should need a counterpoise. If it needs a counterpoise it isn't actually acting like an EFHW. If it needs a counterpoise that means there isn't enough choking impedance at the feedpoint, and it means that the feedline is radiating with the counterpoise acting as ... well, a counterpoise. >>>>> >>>>> Manufacturers state a minimum length feedline simply to have the feedline losses help swamp out SWR variations along the line, and of course to marginally lower the SWR. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> AB7E >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/14/2016 1:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>>>> Andy, >>>>>> >>>>>> What happens if you connect to a dummy load? Does the KX2 tune it properly? >>>>>> If so, then you know the KX2 is operating into a 50 ohm load OK. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have an antenna analyzer? If so, then connect it to the antenna feedline and look at the impedance - both real and reactive - as well as the SWR. >>>>>> That will tell you whether the antenna is troublesome. >>>>>> >>>>>> You specifically said an EFHW - that should be a resonant antenna. If instead you have a random length wire (not a halfwave), and what is the matching device? >>>>>> Many EFHW antennas need a counterpoise to work - that is why many manufacturers state a *minimum* length feedline. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the problem is *not* the antenna, contact Elecraft support. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> Don W3FPR >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 2:40 PM, Andy Clift wrote: >>>>>>> Just received my KX2, but unable to get it to tune an EFHW wire. I?ve tried a home made one and then tried a SOTABEAMS MultiBander that I?ve used successfully with an FT-857. I?ve checked the continuity in the wire and also the continuity in the KX2 between the BNC connector and where the wire connects inside the KX2 (as I removed this to fit the end panels). Battery is at over 11v. Any ideas please? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mcb2179 at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Jul 14 23:41:49 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50aceb13-0c00-f6a4-4a21-83638c70624a@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,7/14/2016 2:54 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: > I use an EFHW on 80-10, no dedicated counterpoise, no coax length rqmts. On what frequency is it a halfwave? :) 73, Jim From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 14 23:44:29 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:44:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <5860A295-8ECC-44F1-A398-F13C348A37E3@gmail.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <1433785A-2507-4AD6-867C-54A11EF47A68@wunderwood.org> <4792f84d-d7d7-18cc-d124-0f6c82d3f17e@cis-broadband.com> <4B77B224-9967-4E18-8ED2-5633BB3989DA@wunderwood.org> <1b9c3681-d043-2432-b7de-7d64a1f3edf0@embarqmail.com> <5860A295-8ECC-44F1-A398-F13C348A37E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: But Morgan, how many KX2s will fit inside your roller inductor? Seems a bit of an overkill for QRP ops :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 7/14/16 8:34 PM, Morgan Bailey wrote: > A few years ago I built a parallel LC network from a roller inductor and a variable cap rated for approximately 2.5kv and have used it to match 20 meter EFHW many times. I run 500 watts into it from the kpa500 through a choke balun in the shack. I use (5) 8 foot radials for a counterpoise and I tape the wire to a 40 foot spiderbeam fiberglass pole in a vertical configuration. I have never had any problems with rf in the shack using this antenna with the choke. In fact I have more problems with rf from my 80 meter inverted-L than I do the EFHW. I built the antenna for field day use but I have had excellent results with it in several local and DX contests. I easily have over 3000 q's with this antenna and the only real complaint I have is that at times it can be a bit noisy. I originally built the box to match a 40 meter halfsquare but it works well on 20, 80, and 160 as well. > > Sent from my iPhone From alorona at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 15 00:11:17 2016 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] AGC Time Constant References: <89986456.4096655.1468555877201.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89986456.4096655.1468555877201.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm looking at the K2 schematic at the components on the Control Board that set the AGC time constant, and I can't understand how the fast setting gets its time constant... the parts involved, C4 and R2, appear to have a very long time, much longer than necessary for the FST settting. If you know what's going on could you contact me off-list to explain it to me? Thanks. R, Al? W6LX From carl at n8vz.com Fri Jul 15 00:56:03 2016 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 00:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeff! Nice to see you on the Elecraft board. I have one question about the Turnigy Accucel 6 Balance Charger. I note that it can charge LiPos. Does it have the standard modular connector for LiPo batteries? This is usually located on the side of most LiPo chargers that I'm aware of. I couldn't find a side view. Sorry I missed you at Dayton this year. 73, Carl ====================================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane(x-apple-data-detectors://21) Athens, Ohio 45701-3718(x-apple-data-detectors://22) carl at n8vz.com(mailto:carl at n8vz.com) www.n8vz.com(http://www.n8vz.com/) EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ====================================== On July 14, 2016 at 5:54:02 PM, Jeffrey Wolf (k6jw at cox.net(mailto:k6jw at cox.net)) wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > There?s really no advantage unless you?re looking to have more control > over battery maintenance. My personal preference is to have a maximum > amount of control over the maintenance of my batteries. This means > charge monitoring *with digital readout from the charger) that?s > configurable for maximum charging without overcharging. It means being > able to cycle batteries to a predetermined degree of discharge before > recharging. And it means being able to balance the cells in any pack > without built-in circuitry. > > If you?re happy with the Bioenno ?blind? setup, go for it. Many appear > to be doing it happily. I simply wanted more control. My setup is a > Turnigy Accucel-6 charger with built-in cycling and balancing capability > combined with a Zippy 4300 MAH battery, both available at reasonable > cost from Hobby King. I?m not pushing their stuff, but it has worked > well for me. A fully charged battery will run my KX3 for at least 24 hours. > > 73, > > Jeff, K6JW > > Message: 20 > > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:24:22 -0700 > > From: Todd > > To: David Corsello > > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bioenno Battery Charger > > Message-ID: <57867946.3050701 at sbcglobal.net> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Jeff, for my education would you please explain the advantages of using a > > balancing charger with a non-self-balancing battery over using a > > non-balancing, LiFePO4-compatible charger with a self-balancing battery? > > --Dave > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Jul 15 01:17:20 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (k6dgw) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 22:17:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: 80. ?KAT3 will match it on 160, haven't tried to make any Q's there yet. Works great everywhere else considering it's strung on the 6' fence. Fred K6DGWTDY in Socal (softball) Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Jim Brown Date: 7/14/16 20:41 (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 On Thu,7/14/2016 2:54 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: > I use an EFHW on 80-10, no dedicated counterpoise, no coax length rqmts. On what frequency is it a halfwave? :) 73, Jim ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 15 02:16:07 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:16:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] AGC Time Constant In-Reply-To: <89986456.4096655.1468555877201.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <89986456.4096655.1468555877201.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <89986456.4096655.1468555877201.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Al, The dynamic balance between the base and emitter of Q12 determine the AGC Fast/Slow response. The dynamic characteristics of Q12 as well as R2, C4, RP6 and C1 all come into play. Remember when doing the analysis that the voltage at /SLOW AGC is at 5 volts for fast AGC. When you consider the dynamic response, C1/RP6 pins 1-2 are important. From a dynamic relationship, that biases the emitter of Q12 to something near 5 volts and obliterates the effect of the R2/C4 time constant. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/15/2016 12:11 AM, Al Lorona wrote: > I'm looking at the K2 schematic at the components on the Control Board that set the AGC time constant, and I can't understand how the fast setting gets its time constant... the parts involved, C4 and R2, appear to have a very long time, much longer than necessary for the FST settting. > > If you know what's going on could you contact me off-list to explain it to me? Thanks. > R, > Al W6LX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Fri Jul 15 02:58:07 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:58:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By "works great" I assume you mean it loads well, which is understandable since a horizontal wire 6 feet off the ground is going to look pretty lossy. Dave AB7E On 7/14/2016 10:17 PM, k6dgw wrote: > > 80. KAT3 will match it on 160, haven't tried to make any Q's there yet. Works great everywhere else considering it's strung on the 6' fence. > Fred K6DGWTDY in Socal (softball) > > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jim Brown > Date: 7/14/16 20:41 (GMT-08:00) > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 > > On Thu,7/14/2016 2:54 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: >> I use an EFHW on 80-10, no dedicated counterpoise, no coax length rqmts. > On what frequency is it a halfwave? :) > > 73, Jim > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Fri Jul 15 04:03:48 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:03:48 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation In-Reply-To: References: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b301d1de6f$70049660$500dc320$@co.uk> Removing the left side panel also makes it much easier to confirm that the connectors at the rear left of the KRX3 have been mated correctly. First-time assembly can be a little tricky, but becomes much easier after the connector pins have settled into their correct alignment. (The same is also true of the front-panel connectors, by the way.) 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Don Wilhelm >Sent: 15 July 2016 00:37 >To: Brian F Wruble; Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation > >Brian, > >Those are in physically different areas of the K3, so I don't think the >order is significant. > >If you have the KRX3 installed, I would suggest adding the KBPF3A first >(don't forget the added capacitor to the regulator output), and then >leave the KRX3 assembly out until you have installed the KXV3B. There >is no electrical significance to my suggested order, but without the >KRX3 in place, you will have more "finger room" when installing the KXV3B. > >Hint on the KXV3B - remove the left side panel to give you more access, >and slightly form the male pins of the KXV3B to the K3 rear before >trying to insert them into the header. Put the pins on a flat surface >and apply a bit of pressure - you only need to bend them a bit. You >will understand if you first try to put the pins into the header before >bending the pins. >Of course, you could remove the entire rear panel to get the pins to >align, but that is an extreme solution to the problem. The slightly >bent pins will not pose any problem once the KXV3B is fastened in place. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 7/14/2016 4:10 PM, Brian F Wruble wrote: >> When the K3S first came out, I ordered the new synthesizer boards for my >K3, and they installed easily and worked great. >> >> I also ordered the KXV3B, KAT3A and the KBPF3A. I am just now getting >ready to install these. Does anybody have advice on the best order to install >them? Or any cautions, lessons learned, etc.? >> >> Tnx. 73 de Brian W3BW >> >> Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. >> Sent from my iPad Air 2 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Jul 15 04:13:23 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 00:13:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: <201607150813.u6F8DONu019068@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Don's comments on the fact that a J-pole is merely a Zepp where the 1/2 wave radiator is vertical is something I discovered a few years ago. I have a dual-band J-pole on 10m/6m which works well. Note that the bottom end of the 1/4 wave matching stub is shorted. By attaching coax to the stub one can find 50-ohm match just by sliding up from the ground end. It was about six inches for the 10m J-pole. I do not have my construction page back on my website as yet. I used aluminum tubing about 25-foot long for the 10m version. You might want to use a common-mode choke at the coax feed to prevent coax radiation. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 06:38:51 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:38:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: <551cb1e4-ba8b-b3e0-4708-9c3ae0457d09@triconet.org> References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <53f72a73-ca5e-f2d6-7436-9edbabba8b71@montac.com> <551cb1e4-ba8b-b3e0-4708-9c3ae0457d09@triconet.org> Message-ID: Hi Wes, et al. I went looking through emails from you to find the reference, because I wanted to read it. I did not locate or recognize the reference in those emails. That aside... For conversation purposes I'll begin this assuming a flooded wet cell battery. That's because I have a pair of T-105 6 volt 225AH cells in series in my RV to supply the "house" "12" VDC needs. T-105's have been very common in golf carts for decades. In larger RV's it's not uncommon to see four T-105's in series parallel to supply house 12VDC. T-105's are large deep cycle flooded wet cells. They are an easy choice for an RV's house DC circuits. It's a very mature application, over 30 years of this scheme in RV's. An RV has extensive "12" volt wiring. The actual satisfactory running DC voltage on the house DC wiring can be 11 to 14.4 volts. To supply the house DC from RV park AC mains, the RV uses a high amperage three stage battery charger, with anywhere from 35 to 100 amps bulk charge rate depending on the specific battery type and configuration. Nomenclature in the RV business for this charger is "converter/charger" which I will denote hereafter with "C/C". The C/C serves two functions: 1) Supplies all the myriad 12 volt RV stuff: lights, blowers, fans, plus controls for fridge, heat, hot water heater, just to name a few. It converts the park AC to DC. 2) Charges the batteries to keep them ready for a common and deliberate operation of the RV without an AC voltage source, as in a park without electric hookups during no-generators-running quiet time. It's very common to run an AC generator from early afternoon until after supper to supply air conditioning, power the microwave, and recharge batteries. Then the generator is shut down and all runs off the house batteries until the next afternoon. A lot of us keep small inverters, 12VDC to 120V, to power cellphone chargers, game boxes, etc, when on batteries. The charging stages are: 1) Bulk charge, current limited. Where up to 80% of the battery energy capacity is replaced by the charger at maximum steady current amp rating of the charger. This charge current continues until the battery voltage reaches 14.4 volts. 2) Absorption charge, voltage limited. Voltage is held at a constant 14.4 volts and the current declines until the battery is 98% charged. 3) Float charge, voltage and current limited. Not more than 13.4 volts and usually less than 1 amp of current **into the battery**. This in time will bring the battery to 100% charged or close to it. This maintenance float charge will not boil or heat batteries but will maintain the batteries at 100% readiness and prevent cycling during long term inactivity. Some Gel Cell and AGM batteries may require different settings or chargers specific to the battery. This is related to differing optimal voltages and heat sensitivities. But the rough concept is the same. When the C/C is running from RV park or generator AC, the RV's DC bus is supplied from the C/C. In float charge the C/C will supply the RV DC at 13.4 VDC. If the AC cuts out at the park or the generator goes off, the house DC circuits will begin to discharge the battery. The battery voltage will quickly drop to the normal battery discharge curve in the upper 12.x range and continue down. When the AC comes back on, before it kicks in, the C/C detects that the battery is down on the discharge curve and re-initiates at step 1). The stink when many hams talk about operating their shack with a battery float, is that they envision hooking a battery to the output of a plain single voltage Astron RS35 or some such, the usual 13.8 volts regulated, fixed supply. One cannot properly care for a battery this way, because it needs the three charge stages for good health. If what one meant by float was a "single voltage float", then no, one cannot *properly* float a battery on one's ham station. After the first discharge event, the battery will not recharge to full charge. It needs the bulk charge voltage to recharge. However, I would not call my RV a "battery float", because "float" is only *one* charge condition of the three RV C/C charge states. But I do have ham friends who call that "float" because that's how the wires run. This little double meaning can make for some confused conversations until the specifics are brought to light. If what you meant is battery always in the circuit, no blip switching interruptions from the "uninterruptible" UPS, then yes, you can use the RV style setup in a ham station, **with a list of caveats**. You probably do not want to use T-105's for a number of reasons. But you will need to obtain a three or four stage charger setup designed for an appropriate battery. Caveats: a) You need an RV style charger-converter, or equivalent specifically matched to the battery. Some equivalents have been described in this thread. b) The bulk charge rate of the C/C must match the battery normal charge maximum. More C/C bulk charge amps than the battery max normal charge rate is NOT better. Slightly less is OK. A lot less will take a long time to return to full charge, leaving you low on charge in case of a double power outage. c) The bulk charge rate of the matched C/C - battery combo should be at least at the next step up from the max station DC amperage draw. This is so that you can run the station under normal AC supply situations at float 13.4 VDC without ever kicking into battery discharge because you turned something on. You want to save your limited number of discharge cycles, and related ventures into bulk charge rate, to actual events and stay away from bulk charge induced heat, etc, unless it's actually a battery supply event. d) In the flooded cell case, the normal C/C switching between 14.4 and 13.4 VDC, or approaching 11 VDC from a partly discharged battery must not be a problem for any of your DC station equipment. There is a parallel requirement for other battery/charger combinations that you must quantify. e) Cost of a battery and multi-stage charger suitable for a) through d) in your station environment and with bulk charge rate that covers your station's draw may exceed what you want to pay to have a Field Day Class 1E station at the ready 24/7. Throwing a lawn tractor battery across your single voltage Astron supply may appear to work, but will be very limited in its effectiveness because after the first discharge it will never return to full charge. Some may call this arrangement "working" and answer the question about float in the positive, but it is in fact severely handicapped, and does not lend itself to healthy batteries. As usual, the devil is in the details. There is a nice entry level treatise that reads well at https://www.batterystuff.com/kb/articles/battery-articles/battery-basics.html My first encounter with the rather complex issues of battery floating and discharge were with AT&T Long Lines in the 60's, where we had such things as 10,000 ampere 12 VDC supplies for many thousands of tube filaments, with delta 440 AC driving huge motor generators in parallel, and strings of low gravity 2' x 2' x 5' single cell batteries floating across the discharge bus, and end cells to switch into the string to maintain 12 volts as the batteries went into their normal discharge curves. Carelessness in the battery room could get you burned, blinded, possibly killed. Also having a major switching center go down because of batteries in Washington, DC, could get one in a lot of trouble with various branches of government. We had Bell Laboratories, Bell System Practices, and lots of management in our ear all the time about how to do the batteries. Zero tolerance for battery screw-ups, for any reason. 73 and good luck, Guy K2AV On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, Wes Stewart wrote: > I've given the reference already. > > I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, I'm just the messenger. I > suppose that when I posted my first message I should have added, "According > to the vendor, you cannot..." > > On 7/12/2016 6:39 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > >> I'd like to see the reference on that one, too. As I EVENTUALLY will >> add high Ah batts to run pretty much all my household electronics, et al. >> Even if this is a true issue, no matter. Will just have to engineer >> around it.... 2x batts with power consumption fed "clock" and >> auto-switching comes to mind as a 1st brainstorm. :-) >> > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 07:35:51 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 07:35:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <070d3d7c-4c29-a518-4a85-3938be7124bf@cis-broadband.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> <070d3d7c-4c29-a518-4a85-3938be7124bf@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: We need to distinguish between an end fed wire (EFW) and an end fed HALF WAVE wire (EFHW). If one has an actual half wave wire being called by the name EFHW, several things are true. One, the feed Z at the end is ridiculously high, with HV and painful burns in play even for 100W. Many (most?) antenna tuners do NOT handle Z that high, while most tuners DO handle 600 ohm Z from an EFW well, particularly with common 4:1 reduction devices. One of the advantages of an EFHW fed at the ground, is that voltage being very high means that current is very low, and even otherwise pathetic grounds are efficient. You CAN feed an EFHW against a ground rod. In a portable situation something like one of those six inch galvanized nails driven mostly into the ground and soaked with a little water, will settle the counterpoise issue nicely. On 80 meters an end fed half wave L (EFHWL) fed against ground is probably the best all around performing single wire 80m antenna available. It's lack of popularity is due to not being able to successfully feed it directly from coax and lack of tuner boxes off the shelf Needs a matching network at the feedpoint, and at QRO, has to deal with very high RF voltages. It has dual polarization, working for both DX and local, with no holes in the pattern, and the current maximum is up around the bend in the L, reducing vertical polarization loss to both ground and nearby clutter. On the other hand an end fed wire (EFW) that stays well away from even quarter wave multiples on bands in use, particularly with a 4:1 reduction device, will tune easily. The disadvantage with EFW is that pathetic ground no longer functions well as a counterpoise. The tuner needs to isolate ground and the case from the antenna side tuner connections, one of which needs to be a planned counterpoise, and the isolation needs to be efficient (not lossy) with high reactance on the antenna side. You can get RF through lesser arrangements and make contacts, but you are paying for the "lesser" with loss. I agree that EFHW's are "tweaky". IMHO more than made up for by performance. EFHW "tweaky" *can* be tamed to considerable degree, but that's another subject. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:26 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > Yup ... that all makes sense. The counterpoise as described by that link is > at the antenna where it should be, and it compensates for the fact that the > network can't produce an infinitely high impedance feed. I stand corrected. > > Using the coax for a "counterpoise" is a really bad idea, though. There > would essentially be no defined counterpoise. There would be no control at > all over what kind of balance the coax provides to the matching network at > the end of the EFHW. Length of the coax would have an effect, and not just > the requirement for some minimum length ... the transmission line effect of > the length would change its characteristics as seen by the antenna. > Proximity of the coax to nearby structures would also affect what the > antenna actually saw. > > 73, > Dave AB7E From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 07:51:25 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 07:51:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <57861C0F.2010400@comcast.net> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <57861C0F.2010400@comcast.net> Message-ID: 1) For the low bands, the overwhelming consideration is reduction in near field losses, both dielectric and I squared R (I2R) losses. 2) We need to remember that for non salt water situations vertically polarized RF is NOT reflected from dirt and rock. For all intents and purposes it is absorbed. Vertically polarized reflection enhancement happens over salt water, but certainly not over rocky or rock-based surfaces. 3) Feedline loss is an issue for distant antennas, **particularly** what the loss will become long term, after extended exposure to the environment. 4) On the low bands are 1/4 wave radials are really the great deal on low bands that ham mythology says they are? We need a counterpoise, and 4 by 1/4 wave radials are only *one* choice with little to recommend it except simplicity at the feedpoint. The worst thing about many counterpoise schemes is that they induce current in the ground, and that is loss. The mechanics that govern the induction are a bit murky and not at all well known. We need a counterpoise to store electrons for a half cycle. Whether that device is naturally resonant on frequency only saves you complexity at the feedpoint. What you will be stuck with permanently is however much LOSS is invoked by the design. Again, the word is LOSS. Mitigate loss in your complete antenna *system* design. Regarding your particular situation: Stand at your two possible installation points. Look at your most distant horizon in any important direction. ANYTHING below tree top, or mountain ridge-top line, even 15, 30, 50 miles away, is severely attenuated, if not lost to -30, -40 dB effects. If you have a clutterless view to distant horizon, for vertical polarization this will advantage you the most because it removes dielectric and I2R lossy clutter in the path to very useful low angles. Remember that reflection enhancement in your situation only applies to horizontally polarized antennas. Designing your antenna, 1) use a counterpoise with least loss from ground induction, 2) move the RF current maximum up on the vertical conductor, 3) **expect and prepare yourself** for matching a miscellaneous impedance at the feedpoint. This misc feed Z is most likely for the best combination of 1) and 2). If you really are concentrating on efficiency, get the current maximum up in the air, and use a low ground induction loss counterpoise. If you go distant installation due to clutter considerations, PAY UP for a permanent hardline coax feed, unless you are willing to put up ***BARE*** wire open wire feedline you construct yourself. Buryflex flooded coax would be a medium solution but has all the critter and outdoor accident issues. Commercial balanced line deteriorates in time. Been there, done that, never again. Even with the open wire, you can have common mode issues on the balanced line nearly impossible to rectify, unless you take steps in the last quarter wave or so before the antenna. The balanced feedline run will need to be an odd multiple of a quarter wave accounting for velocity factor. Common mode current on the line will go almost entirely to loss. 73, Guy K2AV On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, Dauer, Edward wrote: > So long as antenna discussions on the reflector haven?t been met with the > ?OT? cloture lately, I have an antenna question of a different sort. I am > contemplating a ? wave vertical with four elevated radials for 80 meters. > My choices for siting it are two ? one is near the top of the property > (about 8,600 feet ASL), somewhat in the clear, and within 100 feet from the > operating position. The other is in a meadow near the property boundary, > which is much more open and a just a bit higher ? but it has two other > significant characteristics. One is that the land slopes away from that > site, over about half the compass from NNW to SSE, at a slope of 10 to 15% > for about a half mile. > From pincon at erols.com Fri Jul 15 08:34:50 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:34:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <50aceb13-0c00-f6a4-4a21-83638c70624a@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <50aceb13-0c00-f6a4-4a21-83638c70624a@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> One other question I have concerns the length of these "EFHW" antennas that many are using. That is, are they REALLY End Fed Half-Waves? In other words, are they cut to be an electrical half wave-length or, are they simply a convenient length of wire, that is fed at one end? There could be a drastic difference in the feed point impedance depending on this parameter. Also, what's wrong with making a true "Zepp" antenna on the higher bands by adding the required length of twin lead for the ?? matching section? On 20 M and up, this would result in a fairly easy length of wire to deal with. Anybody tried that approach? I know the "J-Poles" are popular on VHF, but how about a 20 meter wire J-Pole? 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:42 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 On Thu,7/14/2016 2:54 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: > I use an EFHW on 80-10, no dedicated counterpoise, no coax length rqmts. From n2bc at stny.rr.com Fri Jul 15 09:17:04 2016 From: n2bc at stny.rr.com (Bill Coleman) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:17:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100 & P3 Message-ID: <3c623353-2865-2a2f-8472-fa606b302a4e@stny.rr.com> Elecraft K3/100 with KAT3A, 2.7kHz filter, 700Hz filter (INRAD), 400Hz filter, PR6 preamp, KSYNTH3A upgrade. Elecraft P3 Panadapter with SVGA and TXMON (2KW sensor). High Serial numbers (K3:86xx, P3:25xx). No scratches, non-smoker. Package deal only, asking $3900 for both, plus shipping & insurance from 13850. THX Bill N2BC From tony.lyon at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 15 09:57:32 2016 From: tony.lyon at austin.rr.com (Tony Lyon) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:57:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Winlink & K3 settings Message-ID: <46393D68-F476-481C-A7D7-780301F920F0@austin.rr.com> Folks, I recently set up an SCS DR-7400 with my K3 on Winlink. I must have some settings that are slightly off, since my link up capabilities (HF) are not as reliable as I expected. So, I would appreciate feedback from Winlink users who are actively using their K3. Here is what I am interested in: TNC setup values in Winlink (RMS Express) K3 settings used. 73, Tony Lyon (KJ5XF) From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Jul 15 10:31:33 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 07:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> References: <50aceb13-0c00-f6a4-4a21-83638c70624a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <83ca2e24-b4f5-7c74-b24b-5c4486cf1324@socal.rr.com> There is a terminology issue, Charlie. The "EFHW" I use is this one: http://www.earchi.org/92011endfedfiles/Endfed6_40.pdf and is fed via a 9:1 UN-UN. Uses the coax shield as a counterpoise and seems to work well over the bands of interest -- depending on the length of wire used. An ATU is generally essential, and the one in the KX2 is very capable. Phil W7OX On 7/15/16 5:34 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > One other question I have concerns the length of these "EFHW" antennas that > many are using. > That is, are they REALLY End Fed Half-Waves? In other words, are they cut > to be an electrical half wave-length or, are they simply a convenient > length of wire, that is fed at one end? > There could be a drastic difference in the feed point impedance depending > on this parameter. > > Also, what's wrong with making a true "Zepp" antenna on the higher bands by > adding the required length of twin lead for the ?? matching section? On > 20 M and up, this would result in a fairly easy length of wire to deal with. > > Anybody tried that approach? I know the "J-Poles" are popular on VHF, but > how about a 20 meter wire J-Pole? > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:42 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 > > On Thu,7/14/2016 2:54 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: >> I use an EFHW on 80-10, no dedicated counterpoise, no coax length rqmts. From nw8l at whitemesa.com Fri Jul 15 11:16:40 2016 From: nw8l at whitemesa.com (Robert Cunnings) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Here's another aricle, by W8JI, on feeding the EFHW: http://www.w8ji.com/end-fed_1_2_wave_matching_system_end%20feed.htm Bob NW8L On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > All that is theoretical does not translate directly to the physical world. > Take a look at http://www.aa5tb.com/efha.html for more information. > The counterpoise does not need to be very long, but it does need to be > present. > > If the coupling between the high impedance side of the matching device is > connected at the "ground side" to the shield of the coax, then the coax > shield can act as the counterpoise (with the attendant risk of > RF-in-the-shack), but does require some minimum length of coax to be > effective - the PAR EndFedZ is one example. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 15 11:21:29 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> References: <50aceb13-0c00-f6a4-4a21-83638c70624a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <74359aa0-85a7-9887-65b1-009f1c76e82e@embarqmail.com> Charlie, There is nothing wrong with making a true Zepp antenna for any band - we usually refer to them as a J-Pole that is popular at VHF/UHF. Use 300 ohm transmission line for the 1/4 wave matching section. See the works of Gary O'Neil N3GO on J-poles for discussion of the ideal characteristic impedance of the matching section. See http://www.knightlites.org/n3go_workshop/N3GO_JPole.xls for a worksheet to give you all the details. Your J-Pole does not have to be oriented vertically - it will work as a horizontal antenna or a sloper. It can be bent between the radiator and the matching section. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/15/2016 8:34 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Also, what's wrong with making a true "Zepp" antenna on the higher bands by > adding the required length of twin lead for the ?? matching section? On > 20 M and up, this would result in a fairly easy length of wire to deal with. > > Anybody tried that approach? I know the "J-Poles" are popular on VHF, but > how about a 20 meter wire J-Pole? > From w4grj at satterfield.org Fri Jul 15 11:28:07 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:28:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Winlink & K3 settings In-Reply-To: <46393D68-F476-481C-A7D7-780301F920F0@austin.rr.com> References: <46393D68-F476-481C-A7D7-780301F920F0@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000801d1dead$7d381170$77a83450$@org> Tony, I use to have a K3, still enjoy this list. I run a P3 SCS modem on winlink .... I think the issue now could be band conditions. They are pretty bad http://www.bandconditions.com/ also, the propagation channel selection in Winlink Express is showing the same here in Florida. Good Luck, Jack W4GRJ/AFA4DG -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tony Lyon Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Winlink & K3 settings Folks, I recently set up an SCS DR-7400 with my K3 on Winlink. I must have some settings that are slightly off, since my link up capabilities (HF) are not as reliable as I expected. So, I would appreciate feedback from Winlink users who are actively using their K3. Here is what I am interested in: TNC setup values in Winlink (RMS Express) K3 settings used. 73, Tony Lyon (KJ5XF) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 15 11:10:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:10:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <83ca2e24-b4f5-7c74-b24b-5c4486cf1324@socal.rr.com> References: <50aceb13-0c00-f6a4-4a21-83638c70624a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> <83ca2e24-b4f5-7c74-b24b-5c4486cf1324@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: The terminology is very *important* for clarity in what you are talking about - especially in the field of antennas where many classic names have been modified so that there is no longer any meaning in the name - I pointed this out in reference to the number of antennas referred to as a Zepp. For instance, the "EFHW" referred to below is *not* an EFHW, but an end fed random wire (look at the description). The "HW" part refers to "halfwave", and a halfwave radiator has specific charactistics. Its behavior is different than feeding a wire of random length. So please, lets call things by their proper names so we all can understand each other when we are communicating. Failure to call things by their proper designation leads to communications chaos. If you mean a real end fed halfwave, please tell us what band it is resonant on and what the matching device is. If you have a non-resonant end fed wire, please tell us how long it is and tell us what the matching device is. By that means, we can all understand each other more clearly. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/15/2016 10:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > There is a terminology issue, Charlie. The "EFHW" I use is this one: > http://www.earchi.org/92011endfedfiles/Endfed6_40.pdf and is fed via a > 9:1 UN-UN. Uses the coax shield as a counterpoise and seems to work > well over the bands of interest -- depending on the length of wire > used. An ATU is generally essential, and the one in the KX2 is very > capable. > From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 11:48:43 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:48:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: <578905d8.8bd6240a.3b094.5006@mx.google.com> Soun ds like a menu setting is in the wrong setting. Jim K9TF From rickw8zt at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 11:51:11 2016 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:51:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: References: <7b2fe2c4-49cd-8abe-c428-efa2118bd2d9@cis-broadband.com> <969c5955-6349-0c1b-eba6-72abafa6c2b8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I don't want to come off as a "A-Hole" but the use of efhw for any end fed antenna is really getting out of hand. We as hams need to step up our game in regards to our communication skills of day to day speech. We, as hams,are regarded as communication specialists and this should go with our speech as well as our knowledge. A efhw is a single band, narrow frequency, antenna. It is a half wave of one frequency with regards to the length of the antenna with some minor adjustments for its mounting. An end fed antenna is just that, a random length of wire fed at one end of the wire. I know this may seem to some as being petty but it degrades the knowledge we have learned as amateurs. If this persists the ones joining the hobby may think that this is an accurate description and then spread this to others, as it seems it already has, and dumb down our status within part 97.1 (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts. My 2 cents. -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile From kevin at k4vd.net Fri Jul 15 11:51:13 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies Message-ID: Hi... I have a KX3 and normally run it on batteries. I also have a Flex-6500 that runs on a big RS-50. Last night during the QRP Fox Hunt (only 1 pelt) I decided to shutdown the Flex and give the KX3 a shot. I powered up the Flex on its internal batteries and, while I had the headphones on, plugged the RS-50 into it. I was surprised with what I heard. Not only a low freq hum (60 or 120 Hz, can't tell) but also a hash sound. The affect was fairly dramatic. I never noticed anything on the Flex because I never ran that on batteries. Today I swapped the KX3 between an old RS-12 linear I had laying around, a 12 V 15 Ah LiFePO4 battery pack and the internal batteries. Going from internal (9.9V) to LiFePO4 (13.0V) I could hear no difference and see no difference on the S-meter. I tried with the antenna connected and disconnected. Going from internal to the RS-12 (13.5 V) i could hear an increase in noise level, about +S1, almost like turning up the RF gain a tad. When the antenna was removed I heard no difference between internal battery and RS-12. The additional noise wasn't objectionable - just sounded like the noise floor jumped up a bit. No hum, no hash (or hiss). I'm not sure what to make of this. It is apparent my RS-50 is in need of some attention. I've had hit-and-miss experiences with Astron over the years and now seeking an alternative. I just want something to work and work well. I'm not even sure the RS-12 is up to spec with the small increase in noise. My expectation is no change in noise going between battery and power supply. Is this unrealistic? eham's reviews are kind of not very helpful. There's plenty of good and plenty of bad said about most makes and models. I'm thinking maybe I want to run 100% battery for both the Flex and KX3 and just recharge when not in use but I'm not sure how realistic that is. I do know I don't want to just settle for the additional noise. Switchers don't seem to be an option. While it might sound quiet at the moment I can always see/hear that noise snake crawling across the panoramic display right towards my current QSO. Has anyone done some A/B comparisons while listening? I'm curious what you may have experienced. Thanks, Kev K4VD (VD = Vacation Day) From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 12:20:32 2016 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:20:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> Bill So far, I'm experiencing normal operation of the K-Pod with a 14ft RJ12 6C straight through cable. Search for: "09600 RJ12 6P6C Straight Modular Cable" on Amazon. It was $4.99 as an add-on item to a larger order. At this point, I am not using the power modification on the K3, so I will report back if the results vary after swapping over to feeding power via the data cable. Of course, your mileage might vary depending on RF levels in your shack :) Warren, KD4Z >From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:08:00 -0400 >Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, > >need a longer rj cable for kpod > >is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Jul 15 12:24:57 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: <544of2idljnr6q8shm7brgqa.1468599897242@email.android.com> OK, my "80-10 EFHW", which is how it's marketed, is really an "EFHWO8OBWGOOBT"? (End Fed On 80 But Works Great On Other Bands Too). :-) 73, Fred K6DGW TDY in SoCal on my Kindle Rick Robinson wrote: >I don't want to come off as a "A-Hole" but the use of efhw for any end fed >antenna is really getting out of hand. We as hams need to step up our game >in regards to our communication skills of day to day speech. We, as >hams,are regarded as communication specialists and this should go with our >speech as well as our knowledge. A efhw is a single band, narrow frequency, >antenna. It is a half wave of one frequency with regards to the length of >the antenna with some minor adjustments for its mounting. An end fed >antenna is just that, a random length of wire fed at one end of the wire. I >know this may seem to some as being petty but it degrades the knowledge we >have learned as amateurs. If this persists the ones joining the hobby may >think that this is an accurate description and then spread this to others, >as it seems it already has, and dumb down our status within part 97.1 (d) >Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of >trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts. My 2 cents. > >-- >Rick, W8ZT > >Sent from Gmail Mobile >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 12:30:10 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> Message-ID: I suggest cutting the wire connected to pin 1 at the radio end. Can't hurt to cut it at both ends. Otherwise, there is a possibility of the radio doing things you prefer it to not do, probably precisely when you prefer that it not do those things... The function associated with pin 1 is not used in the K-Pod, but is used in the radio and at the factory. If you are just curious why this might be, please examine the schematics for the K3 available on the Elecraft website. 73, Lyle KK7P > So far, I'm experiencing normal operation of the K-Pod with a 14ft RJ12 > 6C straight through cable. > >> need a longer rj cable for kpod >> >> is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Jul 15 13:07:15 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:07:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> Message-ID: I'll make a few closing comments, as I suspect the moderator will be cutting this off soon. When I used 45 degrees, that was a number out of a hat for illustrative purposes only. The point being that we hams tend to think that we can "force" the TOA to be lower, and lower is always "better." NM7M (SK) in his book, "The Big Guns Guide to Low-Band Propagation" mentions the case where a low angle signal (10 degrees) can't penetrate the E-layer and needs many more hops than a higher angle signal that does penetrate and gets to the F-layer were fewer hops are necessary to cover the same path. Eric, KL7AJ, has a couple of thought-provoking papers in QST that have a different take as well. They are, "Gimme and X, Gimme an O", QST, Dec. 2010, pp 33-37 and "Three Wrong Assumptions about the Ionosphere", QST, Mar 2012, pp 40-42. Carl, K9LA, in a presentation (http://wwrof.org/webinar-archive/a-long-overdue-review-of-gray-line-propagation-on-the-low-bands-by-carl-luetzelschwab-k9la/) shows an example where IONCAP says there is no (usable) path between two stations, yet QSOs are made. Wes On 7/13/2016 5:48 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > I've played around with VOACAP a lot in the past. Possibly you want to argue > with it's validity, but I can tell you that the percentage of time it shows > signals optimally arriving at 45 degrees is much less than the percentage of > time they arrive closer to 10 degrees ... certainly for any kind of DX work > and most of the time for domestic work here in the U.S. That depends upon the > band, of course, and also the time of the opening (optimum angles are lower at > openings and closings versus mid-opening), but in general the best TOA's area > lot lower than most hams assume. > > If low takeoff angles weren't generally desirable our hobby has several > generations of very misguided members who have squandered millions of dollars. > > Dave AB7E > > > On 7/13/2016 5:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Jim, I've looked at your stuff in the past. >> >> But, "improvement" is in the eye of the beholder. The ionosphere determines >> the optimum TOA, not the antenna. Taking heroic measures to get the max TOA >> down to 10 degrees (a near impossibility over dirt) when the signals are >> arriving at 45 degrees is hardly optimum. >> >> Anecdotal evidence is mostly worthless but for what it's worth, I have 48 >> entities worked on 160 meters from here in the desert using no more than 500 >> watts into an inverted-V, apex at 45' ends at 6'. Everyone "knows" that this >> can't possibly work because it radiates straight up. (Except that it doesn't) >> >> Wes From kilo4tmc at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 13:11:58 2016 From: kilo4tmc at gmail.com (Henry Pollock - K4TMC) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:11:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> References: <50aceb13-0c00-f6a4-4a21-83638c70624a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001601d1de95$4b2e8b90$e18ba2b0$@erols.com> Message-ID: For a 20M J-Pole look at N1LO's web page - http://www.qsl.net/n1lo/antenna.htm I have used his 10M collinear super J-Pole for years in my HOA-neighborhood back yard hanging from tall tree limbs. For the last 2 years it has been supported by a 55 ft fiberglass mast. It is my year-round go-to antenna for checking conditions on 10M. 73, Henry Pollock - K4TMC On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > One other question I have concerns the length of these "EFHW" antennas that > many are using. > That is, are they REALLY End Fed Half-Waves? In other words, are they cut > to be an electrical half wave-length or, are they simply a convenient > length of wire, that is fed at one end? > There could be a drastic difference in the feed point impedance depending > on this parameter. > > Also, what's wrong with making a true "Zepp" antenna on the higher bands by > adding the required length of twin lead for the ?? matching section? On > 20 M and up, this would result in a fairly easy length of wire to deal > with. > > Anybody tried that approach? I know the "J-Poles" are popular on VHF, but > how about a 20 meter wire J-Pole? > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:42 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 > > On Thu,7/14/2016 2:54 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: > > I use an EFHW on 80-10, no dedicated counterpoise, no coax length rqmts. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kilo4tmc at gmail.com From billincolo73 at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 14:00:52 2016 From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:00:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/10: Max FP temp? Message-ID: <1468605652786-7620187.post@n2.nabble.com> I am starting to use some digital modes and couldn't find any specs/guidelines on max power, duty cycle or FP temp. Running only 5W on JT65 (ie, 50% duty cycle) I see the FP temp get up to 43C after just one or two QSO's. Is an external fan recommended when using high duty cycle modes? Thanks, Bill N0CU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-10-Max-FP-temp-tp7620187.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Jul 15 14:02:51 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> Message-ID: <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,7/15/2016 10:07 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > shows an example where IONCAP says there is no (usable) path between > two stations, yet QSOs are made. Wes, There are exceptions to every generalization, even when the generalization is good most of the time. I recall some well known person who had come up poor but was no longer saying "I've been poor and I've been rich, and rich is better." :) Sure, there are times when a higher angle path is better than a low angle path (or exists when the low angle path is not present). But N6BV's statistical data for paths to various locations shows low angle paths to be better far more often than higher angle paths. It also shows high angle paths some smaller percentage of the time. The HUGE problem with using the concept of "takeoff angle," and ONLY the takeoff angle to describe and evaluate antenna performance is that by looking at only one curve at a time, it fails to compare one antenna or mounting height to another. Again, my work looking at the effects of antenna height in a "flatland" QTH have all plotted the complete vertical pattern ON THE SAME GRAPH, which clearly shows that for the range of vertical angles where we can use the ionosphere, higher is better! N6BV presents this quite well as a "figure of merit" for the plots of his elevation studies in HFTA, while also showing the complete vertical data. 73, Jim K9YC From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 15 14:04:48 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:04:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3 --- order of installation In-Reply-To: <00b301d1de6f$70049660$500dc320$@co.uk> References: <58EDD144-A0E2-4830-AB01-36F64E41DB04@gmail.com> <00b301d1de6f$70049660$500dc320$@co.uk> Message-ID: <000001d1dec3$60ddc270$22994750$@biz> Yes, it can be tricky (I call it "fiddly"), especially the first time. If the connectors are aligned with the KRX3A pc board as seen from above in Fig 48 in the KRX3A manual, they are properly mated. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Removing the left side panel also makes it much easier to confirm that the connectors at the rear left of the KRX3 have been mated correctly. First-time assembly can be a little tricky, but becomes much easier after the connector pins have settled into their correct alignment. (The same is also true of the front-panel connectors, by the way.) 73 from Ian GM3SEK From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Jul 15 14:42:17 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:42:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468608137205-7620189.post@n2.nabble.com> Again, thanks for all the help on and off list. My ship came in a bit faster than expected, so I've been able to order a built K3S-100 today, with ATU, SubRX, DigVoice, GenRX, TCXO/REF, 2.8/1.8/1.0/400/250 8-pole filters, K-Pod, mike and headset as well as a P3 with TXMON and SVGA. No 2m module - had to economize somewhere ;-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-KX3-vs-K3S-Query-tp7620068p7620189.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at comcast.net Fri Jul 15 15:16:29 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 19:16:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5789368D.3020800@comcast.net> Guys, There is another issue here. That is : Just because ones antenna pattern is inferior to an optimum one by 5 or even 20 db at the best arrival angle, that doesn't mean there is zero energy at the most important arrival angles. It just means there is less. QRPers often work the same stations as QRO guys. You see it all the time in contests. Likewise guys with high radiation angle antennas do work DX. Maybe just not always the really rare ones, or as many or as quickly. --------------------------------------------------------------------- It might be more interesting to discuss something like $/db to get to closer to optimum. Going from low dipole to a higher one might cost zero to a couple hundred and gain 3 db at about $10-$100/db. Going from that higher dipole to something directive that picks up 4 db more might cost a couple kilobucks - $200-500/db. Going from this directive array to something that picks up another 3 db might cost 5 to 10 kilobucks. Now you're at > $1000/db. Diminishing returns can happen quickly. Desktop dB are near the cheapest. One can pickup 10 db (from 100 w) for about $100-200/db by buying a used amp. Desktop dB can be easier to keep "in the air" too. -------------------------------------- So what is that extra db worth to you? Real world constrains besides money often limit what's possible too. Paper and electricity is cheaper than hardware. Learn how to use EZNEC or another antenna modeling program. Spend pennies/per bad new antenna design rather than big bucks. Go after the cheap dB first. Debunk the myths about magic or folklore antennas that waste time and money. Don't forget feedline loss. One example was a local who was trying to work satellites using 50' of RG58 feedline. Switching him over to LMR-400 doubled his uplink radiated power and improved reception by even more. Read all you can. For example, K9YC's paper referenced in this thread illustrates how difficult it is to make a vertical work as well as even reasonable height dipole on the higher frequency bands. The ground reflection gain of a horizontal antenna (event a zig zag one) is hard to overcome. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/15/2016 18:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,7/15/2016 10:07 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> shows an example where IONCAP says there is no (usable) path between >> two stations, yet QSOs are made. > > Wes, > > There are exceptions to every generalization, even when the > generalization is good most of the time. I recall some well known person > who had come up poor but was no longer saying "I've been poor and I've > been rich, and rich is better." :) > > Sure, there are times when a higher angle path is better than a low > angle path (or exists when the low angle path is not present). But > N6BV's statistical data for paths to various locations shows low angle > paths to be better far more often than higher angle paths. It also shows > high angle paths some smaller percentage of the time. > > The HUGE problem with using the concept of "takeoff angle," and ONLY the > takeoff angle to describe and evaluate antenna performance is that by > looking at only one curve at a time, it fails to compare one antenna or > mounting height to another. Again, my work looking at the effects of > antenna height in a "flatland" QTH have all plotted the complete > vertical pattern ON THE SAME GRAPH, which clearly shows that for the > range of vertical angles where we can use the ionosphere, higher is > better! N6BV presents this quite well as a "figure of merit" for the > plots of his elevation studies in HFTA, while also showing the complete > vertical data. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From hhoyt at mebtel.net Fri Jul 15 16:00:44 2016 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:00:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kevin, It is very possible that what you are experiencing is noise induced by common-mode currents from your antenna system. These currents take any path connected to the chassis of the rig including ANY AC mains connected power supply, regardless of whether it is a switcher or linear. The 10~100 nF average input-to-output capacitance of AC operated power supplies provides a low-impedance path from the DC output to the AC mains at ham frequencies. We have done a LOT of testing of this characteristic here at PAE in order to separate conducted RFI from RFI caused by common-mode current. After identifying this as a problem which is usually worse in portable antennas we took extreme pains to reduce this I/O capacitance with the Kx33 and we were able to achieve less than 100pF, making the Kx33 much less conducive to allowing common-mode noise. Elimination of common-mode currents has many benefits including cleaning up the pickup and radiation pattern of the antenna, elimination of receive noise, and reducing or eliminating RFI-induced events like alarm system triggering (ask me about that one). When using a superhet receiver, baseband AC mains hum is not detected as it can be with a direct-conversion (DC) receiver. This problem plagued early DC receivers like the Heathkit HW-7 which often buzzed like a bee when operated from a linear 12V supply.Fortunately this current can be greatly reduced by the use of common-mode choking on the antenna feedline, DC power lead or both. As has been stated here innumerable times, common-mode choking should be done on all antennas at the feedpoint and optionally but beneficially at the shack end as well. An excellent reference on this subject has been written by our own Jim Brown K9YC and can be viewed at: http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf Cheers & 73, Howard Hoyt - WA4PSC www.proaudioeng.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Jul 15 16:21:48 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:21:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <5789368D.3020800@comcast.net> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5789368D.3020800@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4c18d058-7704-1683-5bd7-52b63a0ae8c5@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,7/15/2016 12:16 PM, brian wrote: > It might be more interesting to discuss something like $/db to get to > closer to optimum. Going from low dipole to a higher one might cost > zero to a couple hundred and gain 3 db at about $10-$100/db. You will find exactly that analysis here. http://k9yc.com/VertOrHorizontal-Slides.pdf Also, several changes of a dB or two add up. Anyone who's ever tried to make QSOs over a difficult path in a contest can tell you that as little as 2dB can be the difference between making the QSO and the other station CQing in your face.. Years ago, our NCCC resident statistician, N6ZFO, even managed to assign a percentage increase in Sweepstakes scores to a dB. In my station, I've worked to squeeze every dB out if that I can -- everything from antenna height to a better feedline to more accurately reading TX power (I use N8LP's power meter, which allows me to get right to the limit, whether it's 1.5kW or 5W). 73, Jim K9YC From kevin at k4vd.net Fri Jul 15 17:01:16 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:01:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Dick and Howard... The RS-50 is pretty new - maybe 6 months old and is in daily use. It wasn't until I had a rig I could easily run on batteries did I notice the noise. The RS-12 is quite old, maybe 15 years? It had been in storage about 10 years until trying it out today. I think I need to dig into the RS-50 and just make sure everything is soldered and connected well. As for common mode currents in the antenna... would that only be an issue during transmit? I have an OCF so I know it can be an issue on transmit. The OCF has a 1:1 current BALUN in the center. Is that enough or do I need to add some additional choking just below the BALUN? I have a couple of the NI4L line isolators (http://www.ni4l.com/hf-choke-line-isolator-1-8-300-mhz/). I could put one up there and see what it does. I also have plenty of clip-ons laying around. I'll try them on the power lead from the supply to the radio. The reports above were with *receive only* (with and without an antenna attached). On the RS-50 the hum I'm hearing is what I think I'd expect to hear from a less-that-well filtered linear power supply. The hash/hiss noise I hear sounds more like a switching power supply, which it is not. I don't know what in the power supply could be generating that noise. The RS-12 does not have either the hum or hiss that I can hear. It just sounds like the noise floor bumped up a little. I'm thinking Dick is right and it is just the receiver responding to the increased voltage though it is only about .5 volts above the external battery pack I was using. Is every power supply going to generate a little noise or should I expect no difference moving from battery to power supply? Kev From n1al at sonic.net Fri Jul 15 17:06:44 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <57895064.1080306@sonic.net> On 07/15/2016 11:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > There are exceptions to every generalization, even when the > generalization is good most of the time. "All generalizations are wrong." Alan N1AL From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Jul 15 17:33:45 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:33:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Bioenno's July Promotion In-Reply-To: References: <7dbc1236-2362-9ccb-1723-810ccd6caeb8@triconet.org> <58240d30-06e9-bd57-8948-ee6f9ef025b8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <53f72a73-ca5e-f2d6-7436-9edbabba8b71@montac.com> <551cb1e4-ba8b-b3e0-4708-9c3ae0457d09@triconet.org> Message-ID: Hi Guy, (Interesting, and nice writing, BTW) I share your experience with batteries, only from the Bell side of things. We ran the major switching centers you described. We had individual cells that held 50 gallons of acid in each cell. A graph was kept for each cell. They lasted many years. My reply is addressing your comments *_only_* about 'floating' lead acid batteries on the 12 volt line. Yes, you are correct with your statements about using a three step charging process for best charge. I have been using a lead acid boat battery floating across my 12V DC line to allow me to quickly end a qso, and properly shut down my K3 during a power outage. Most of the time the outage is short and I can resume my qso as if nothing happened. I do not otherwise discharge/recharge it. (My concern is hydrogen gas). Yes, a UPS can work. I trust this arrangement more. A deep cycle boat battery is intended for charge/dis-charge cycles repeatedly. It sometimes stays in a discharged state for hours or days in high heat or cold before getting recharged again at a single step rate. Despite these conditions, they last pretty well but decline gradually. A deep cycle boat battery may be overkill for me if I don't intend to operate with it, but who knows what could happen? Once again about lead acid batteries, if optimum is the goal, then I think the biggest thing we lack in our consumer batteries today is not being able to monitor or charge individual cells. I prefer cells with removable caps for maintenance also. How else can one tell what the specific gravity is, or the electrolyte level? I can remember when car batteries had the bus exposed so we could read the individual cell voltages. It was common practice to apply a 'boost-charge' to a weak cell to bring the voltage up. I hate to see all the batteries becoming 'maintenance free'. But DSFDF. Dick, n0ce On 7/15/2016 5:38 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > My first encounter with the rather complex issues of battery floating and > discharge were with AT&T Long Lines in the 60's, where we had such things > as 10,000 ampere 12 VDC supplies for many thousands of tube filaments, with > delta 440 AC driving huge motor generators in parallel, and strings of low > gravity 2' x 2' x 5' single cell batteries floating across the discharge > bus, and end cells to switch into the string to maintain 12 volts as the > batteries went into their normal discharge curves. > > Carelessness in the battery room could get you burned, blinded, possibly > killed. Also having a major switching center go down because of batteries > in Washington, DC, could get one in a lot of trouble with various branches > of government. We had Bell Laboratories, Bell System Practices, and lots of > management in our ear all the time about how to do the batteries. Zero > tolerance for battery screw-ups, for any reason. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 15 17:46:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:46:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c1b23d4-738b-0aeb-3e7c-3910a018131f@embarqmail.com> Kev, Yes, common mode current can be a problem on receive as well as transmit. Transmit will cause RF-in-the-shack which is more obvious because you can be 'bitten' by RF. On receive, the common mode current will result in added receive noise due to pickup of noise on the transmission line. OCF antennas are notorious for common mode currents as are end feds. A balanced antenna is usually easier to tame, but are not immune. For effective common mode chokes (some call them baluns or in-line isolators), review the papers of K9YC Jim Brown on the subject. He has posted many times on this reflector - bottom line is that many baluns and in-line isolators are not very effective, how much so depends on the frequency and the core material used. In addition, if your antenna feedline does not run perpendicular to the antenna for at least 1/4 wavelength, it can pick up currents from the radiator. Yes, transmit is more extreme, but it happens in receive as well. Antennas and transmission lines are bi-lateral devices, so what happens in transmit happens in reverse on receive. The transmit effects are easier to measure because the signals are larger. As for the power supply itself, heed the information provided by Howie Hoyt in this thread - he has done extensive testing in his development of the PAE Kx33 power supply. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/15/2016 5:01 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > Thanks Dick and Howard... > > The RS-50 is pretty new - maybe 6 months old and is in daily use. It wasn't > until I had a rig I could easily run on batteries did I notice the noise. > The RS-12 is quite old, maybe 15 years? It had been in storage about 10 > years until trying it out today. I think I need to dig into the RS-50 and > just make sure everything is soldered and connected well. > > As for common mode currents in the antenna... would that only be an issue > during transmit? I have an OCF so I know it can be an issue on transmit. > The OCF has a 1:1 current BALUN in the center. Is that enough or do I need > to add some additional choking just below the BALUN? I have a couple of the > NI4L line isolators (http://www.ni4l.com/hf-choke-line-isolator-1-8-300-mhz/). > I could put one up there and see what it does. I also have plenty of > clip-ons laying around. I'll try them on the power lead from the supply to > the radio. > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Jul 15 17:46:44 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <57895064.1080306@sonic.net> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> <57895064.1080306@sonic.net> Message-ID: Including that one? :-) Phil W7OX On 7/15/16 2:06 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > On 07/15/2016 11:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> There are exceptions to every generalization, >> even when the >> generalization is good most of the time. > > "All generalizations are wrong." > > Alan N1AL From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Jul 15 17:54:37 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:54:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin, As I mentioned, I think this will depend on the Voltage Regulation level in the receiver. The Elecraft gear operates down low in voltage pretty well. I have experienced what you describe with other gear I have owned, but I have not compared if a difference is heard when going from a lower battery voltage to a higher PS voltage with Elecraft gear. I understand your problem is mainly with the RS-50. If you don't have a scope, you could put your DVM on AC and see if any AC can be measured on the 13.8 DC output terminals. Try with, and without, some load. It's not a good test, but something to try. BTW, my experience with talking to Astron has been very good. They will help you. Dick, n0ce On 7/15/2016 4:01 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > Thanks Dick and Howard... > > The RS-50 is pretty new - maybe 6 months old and is in daily use. It wasn't > until I had a rig I could easily run on batteries did I notice the noise. > The RS-12 is quite old, maybe 15 years? It had been in storage about 10 > years until trying it out today. I think I need to dig into the RS-50 and > just make sure everything is soldered and connected well. > > As for common mode currents in the antenna... would that only be an issue > during transmit? I have an OCF so I know it can be an issue on transmit. > The OCF has a 1:1 current BALUN in the center. Is that enough or do I need > to add some additional choking just below the BALUN? I have a couple of the > NI4L line isolators (http://www.ni4l.com/hf-choke-line-isolator-1-8-300-mhz/). > I could put one up there and see what it does. I also have plenty of > clip-ons laying around. I'll try them on the power lead from the supply to > the radio. > > The reports above were with *receive only* (with and without an antenna > attached). On the RS-50 the hum I'm hearing is what I think I'd expect to > hear from a less-that-well filtered linear power supply. The hash/hiss > noise I hear sounds more like a switching power supply, which it is not. I > don't know what in the power supply could be generating that noise. > > The RS-12 does not have either the hum or hiss that I can hear. It just > sounds like the noise floor bumped up a little. I'm thinking Dick is right > and it is just the receiver responding to the increased voltage though it > is only about .5 volts above the external battery pack I was using. > > Is every power supply going to generate a little noise or should I expect > no difference moving from battery to power supply? > > Kev > From wa6nhc at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 18:13:24 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:13:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> <57895064.1080306@sonic.net> Message-ID: <038c3a03-314d-e367-7093-5d43a4351f6c@gmail.com> No. That was a specific statement. The general version would read "Most generalizations..." Alan used 'All' which is a specific. Ah the vagaries of language... Rick nhc On 7/15/2016 2:46 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Including that one? :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 7/15/16 2:06 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >> On 07/15/2016 11:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> There are exceptions to every generalization, even when the >>> generalization is good most of the time. >> >> "All generalizations are wrong." >> >> Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Jul 15 18:38:55 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:38:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: <201607152238.u6FMctLr007280@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Or just feed a grounded 50-foot tower with a 1/4 wave long stub alongside it space a few inches. 3/4 wave at 14-MHz is 53 feet and the 1/4 wave stub would be 17.7 foot. Hook your coax across between stub and tower and slide it up till you find a 50-ohm match. I've used small worm-gear hose clamps to secure the coax temporarily. . If you have a tri-band or 20m yagi mounted on top of the tower they will provide top-hat loading that will make the tower look higher (lower in frequency). Good exercise for those using telescoping towers which one could match by raising or lowering. But I have to say that my tribander at 50-foot always works better on 10m than the 10m J-pole. So I hardly use the J-pole (serves as nice guy mast for ends of my 80/40m invert-V). Too bad I do such little operating on HF **just repaired my 1296 and 900-MHz systems on another tower. 73, Ed - KL7UW SNIP---------------- Also, what's wrong with making a true "Zepp" antenna on the higher bands by adding the required length of twin lead for the ?? matching section? On 20 M and up, this would result in a fairly easy length of wire to deal with. Anybody tried that approach? I know the "J-Poles" are popular on VHF, but how about a 20 meter wire J-Pole? 73, Charlie k3ICH 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 19:19:03 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] "GT" Command Message-ID: <48A00E66-DAF5-40B6-83BB-84C72752ADBD@gmail.com> When I had a K3, I used the GT command to set AGC off for data modes using GT000; I cannot seem to get that to work with the KX3. Is it not available? My reading of The Programmers Reference implies it *is* available. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 15 19:47:06 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:47:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> Can someone send me the RJ-45 pinout for the connection to the K-pod (with and without the power mod)? I'd like to take a look at it.... I am somewhat confident that a standard CAT-5e cable, while functional is not the BEST solution... Thanks! ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/15/2016 11:20 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: > Bill > > So far, I'm experiencing normal operation of the K-Pod with a 14ft RJ12 > 6C straight through cable. Search for: > > "09600 RJ12 6P6C Straight Modular Cable" > > on Amazon. It was $4.99 as an add-on item to a larger order. > > At this point, I am not using the power modification on the K3, so I > will report back if the results vary after swapping over to feeding > power via the data cable. Of course, your mileage might vary depending > on RF levels in your shack :) > > Warren, KD4Z > > >> From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:08:00 -0400 >> Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, >> >> need a longer rj cable for kpod >> >> is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 19:55:24 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:55:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> Message-ID: <69860ccf-12ac-5bf7-f19d-e3fcb5483367@gmail.com> It is a 6-pin connector and the wire at pin 1 should be cut at the radio end and to be safe cut it at both ends. Yes, people will use full 6-pin cables and may not observe any problems. Regardless of such anecdotal evidencee, cut the wire to pin 1. And of course, turn off the radio before you plug or unplug the cable at the radio end . No, you won't damage the radio if you don't observe this.. Yes, you may be surprised if you don't observe this. You can see the schematic of the K3 to see what things are connected to, and pencil in the mod to see what changes. 73, Lyle KK7P > Can someone send me the RJ-45 pinout for the connection to the K-pod > (with and without the power mod)? >> So far, I'm experiencing normal operation of the K-Pod with a 14ft RJ12 >> 6C straight through cable. >>> is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 15 19:57:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 19:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> Message-ID: <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> Clay, Not possible - the connector is an RJ12. Pin 1 is not used and should be clipped at each end for best results. In other words, an Ethernet cable will not work. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/15/2016 7:47 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Can someone send me the RJ-45 pinout for the connection to the K-pod > (with and without the power mod)? > > I'd like to take a look at it.... I am somewhat confident that a > standard CAT-5e cable, while functional is not the BEST solution... > > Thanks! > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/15/2016 11:20 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: >> Bill >> >> So far, I'm experiencing normal operation of the K-Pod with a 14ft RJ12 >> 6C straight through cable. Search for: >> >> "09600 RJ12 6P6C Straight Modular Cable" >> >> on Amazon. It was $4.99 as an add-on item to a larger order. >> >> At this point, I am not using the power modification on the K3, so I >> will report back if the results vary after swapping over to feeding >> power via the data cable. Of course, your mileage might vary depending >> on RF levels in your shack :) >> >> Warren, KD4Z >> >> >>> From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) >>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:08:00 -0400 >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, >>> >>> need a longer rj cable for kpod >>> >>> is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 15 21:19:16 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:19:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <1468608137205-7620189.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468608137205-7620189.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <85948c89-c904-69eb-bf79-44db147b8d7a@montac.com> Holy cow!!! NICE!!! You should be all set... Start reading the Assembly manual... 3 times at least. Get a box(es) with at least 30 compartments to separate out all the hardware... Also... do a 100% inventory BEFORE you start... It's a pain, but it will save you a LOT of trouble and headaches if you're missing some hardware if you get it on the way up front... and they like to only have to do one shortage shipment if any at all. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/15/2016 1:42 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Again, thanks for all the help on and off list. My ship came in a bit faster > than expected, so I've been able to order a built K3S-100 today, with ATU, > SubRX, DigVoice, GenRX, TCXO/REF, 2.8/1.8/1.0/400/250 8-pole filters, K-Pod, > mike and headset as well as a P3 with TXMON and SVGA. No 2m module - had to > economize somewhere ;-) From k9fd at flex.com Fri Jul 15 21:43:30 2016 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:43:30 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <85948c89-c904-69eb-bf79-44db147b8d7a@montac.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468608137205-7620189.post@n2.nabble.com> <85948c89-c904-69eb-bf79-44db147b8d7a@montac.com> Message-ID: <57899142.3040109@flex.com> Now why would he do all that? He said he ordered a BUILT K3S-100 > Holy cow!!! NICE!!! You should be all set... > > Start reading the Assembly manual... 3 times at least. > Get a box(es) with at least 30 compartments to separate out all the > hardware... > > Also... do a 100% inventory BEFORE you start... It's a pain, but it will > save you a LOT of trouble and headaches if you're missing some hardware > if you get it on the way up front... and they like to only have to do > one shortage shipment if any at all. > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/15/2016 1:42 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >> Again, thanks for all the help on and off list. My ship came in a bit faster >> than expected, so I've been able to order a built K3S-100 today, with ATU, >> SubRX, DigVoice, GenRX, TCXO/REF, 2.8/1.8/1.0/400/250 8-pole filters, K-Pod, >> mike and headset as well as a P3 with TXMON and SVGA. No 2m module - had to >> economize somewhere ;-) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Jul 15 21:44:23 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:44:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] "GT" Command In-Reply-To: <48A00E66-DAF5-40B6-83BB-84C72752ADBD@gmail.com> References: <48A00E66-DAF5-40B6-83BB-84C72752ADBD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1468633463261-7620206.post@n2.nabble.com> If I remember correctly, AGC is set to off automatically in data modes. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-GT-Command-tp7620201p7620206.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 15 21:46:38 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:46:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <69860ccf-12ac-5bf7-f19d-e3fcb5483367@gmail.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <69860ccf-12ac-5bf7-f19d-e3fcb5483367@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not THAT into it... I don't own a K-pod... Was just going to review the pin out to see if a better cable design was possible... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/15/2016 6:55 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > It is a 6-pin connector and the wire at pin 1 should be cut at the > radio end and to be safe cut it at both ends. > > Yes, people will use full 6-pin cables and may not observe any > problems. Regardless of such anecdotal evidencee, cut the wire to pin 1. > > And of course, turn off the radio before you plug or unplug the cable > at the radio end . No, you won't damage the radio if you don't > observe this.. Yes, you may be surprised if you don't observe this. > > You can see the schematic of the K3 to see what things are connected > to, and pencil in the mod to see what changes. > > 73, From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 15 21:52:22 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:52:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <769708eb-2e20-ae19-79ff-c34749e30d7b@montac.com> Sorry, I frankly have never looked at the jack on the bottom of my K3s closely. OK, RJ 12... still want to know which signals are on which pins... Guess I'll have to go do it myself.... this is about 187 on my TO DO list... ;) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/15/2016 6:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Clay, > > Not possible - the connector is an RJ12. > Pin 1 is not used and should be clipped at each end for best results. > In other words, an Ethernet cable will not work. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/15/2016 7:47 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Can someone send me the RJ-45 pinout for the connection to the K-pod >> (with and without the power mod)? >> >> I'd like to take a look at it.... I am somewhat confident that a >> standard CAT-5e cable, while functional is not the BEST solution... >> >> Thanks! >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 7/15/2016 11:20 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: >>> Bill >>> >>> So far, I'm experiencing normal operation of the K-Pod with a 14ft RJ12 >>> 6C straight through cable. Search for: >>> >>> "09600 RJ12 6P6C Straight Modular Cable" >>> >>> on Amazon. It was $4.99 as an add-on item to a larger order. >>> >>> At this point, I am not using the power modification on the K3, so I >>> will report back if the results vary after swapping over to feeding >>> power via the data cable. Of course, your mileage might vary depending >>> on RF levels in your shack :) >>> >>> Warren, KD4Z >>> >>> >>>> From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) >>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:08:00 -0400 >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, >>>> >>>> need a longer rj cable for kpod >>>> >>>> is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to cautery at montac.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 15 21:55:05 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:55:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <57899142.3040109@flex.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468608137205-7620189.post@n2.nabble.com> <85948c89-c904-69eb-bf79-44db147b8d7a@montac.com> <57899142.3040109@flex.com> Message-ID: <80c8b81e-456e-b876-2843-2957b0839bb3@montac.com> Oops.. I missed that. It would never occur to me to buy a "built" unit if I could get it as a kit... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/15/2016 8:43 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > Now why would he do all that? He said he ordered a BUILT K3S-100 > > > > >> Holy cow!!! NICE!!! You should be all set... >> >> Start reading the Assembly manual... 3 times at least. >> Get a box(es) with at least 30 compartments to separate out all the >> hardware... >> >> Also... do a 100% inventory BEFORE you start... It's a pain, but it will >> save you a LOT of trouble and headaches if you're missing some hardware >> if you get it on the way up front... and they like to only have to do >> one shortage shipment if any at all. >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 7/15/2016 1:42 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >>> Again, thanks for all the help on and off list. My ship came in a >>> bit faster >>> than expected, so I've been able to order a built K3S-100 today, >>> with ATU, >>> SubRX, DigVoice, GenRX, TCXO/REF, 2.8/1.8/1.0/400/250 8-pole >>> filters, K-Pod, >>> mike and headset as well as a P3 with TXMON and SVGA. No 2m module - >>> had to >>> economize somewhere ;-) From riese-k3djc at juno.com Fri Jul 15 21:57:11 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 21:57:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] those end fed half waves Message-ID: Well years ago I put up a 160 meter L and found it to be a noisy band so went to 75 found it could be matched with the K3s tuner but I wanted to run me amp built a matcher that did a good job with that 75 meter half wave that end fed half wave does a good job stateside and when 75 opens up does a good job working DX so its a half wave,, is end fed and I like it Bob K3DJC From aldermant at windstream.net Fri Jul 15 22:18:31 2016 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:18:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <57899142.3040109@flex.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> <1468608137205-7620189.post@n2.nabble.com> <85948c89-c904-69eb-bf79-44db147b8d7a@montac.com> <57899142.3040109@flex.com> Message-ID: <000201d1df08$5929d060$0b7d7120$@windstream.net> Awww......come on Merv.....be nice......obviously reading comprehension may not be a requirement at MONTAC ??? -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Merv Schweigert Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:44 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... Now why would he do all that? He said he ordered a BUILT K3S-100 > Holy cow!!! NICE!!! You should be all set... > > Start reading the Assembly manual... 3 times at least. > Get a box(es) with at least 30 compartments to separate out all the > hardware... > > Also... do a 100% inventory BEFORE you start... It's a pain, but it > will save you a LOT of trouble and headaches if you're missing some > hardware if you get it on the way up front... and they like to only > have to do one shortage shipment if any at all. > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/15/2016 1:42 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >> Again, thanks for all the help on and off list. My ship came in a bit >> faster than expected, so I've been able to order a built K3S-100 >> today, with ATU, SubRX, DigVoice, GenRX, TCXO/REF, >> 2.8/1.8/1.0/400/250 8-pole filters, K-Pod, mike and headset as well >> as a P3 with TXMON and SVGA. No 2m module - had to economize >> somewhere ;-) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k9fd at flex.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Fri Jul 15 22:32:02 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 19:32:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <5789368D.3020800@comcast.net> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5789368D.3020800@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3b430bd7-5289-bcf9-6503-d8846d0cca34@cis-broadband.com> Agree with your points. I've said for a couple of decades now that one of the least expensive ways to improve a modest station (assuming one has at least a decent antenna) is to add an amplifier. Lots cheaper than a bigger tower and a bigger antenna. Also, to your point about arrival angles ... HFTA calculates a "figure or merit" for several common paths. N6BV (the author of HFTA) ran a few thousand simulations in VOACAP between various parts of the world for the parameter TANGLE ... the optimum takeoff angle for that path. He ran it for every month of the year over a full sunspot cycle (typical solar fluxes) for each path to generate a statistical profile of the normalized signal strength for each takeoff angle. I believe the data for those profiles is included with the ARRL Antenna Book. HFTA's "figure of merit" for a particular antenna over a particular terrain overlays the calculated radiation pattern over that VOACAP statistical profile of takeoff angles and sums the combination for each angle. For example, N6BV ran 121 TANGLE calculations (12 months and 11 years) from W7 to Europe, compiling the signal strength at every degree of elevation for each of the 121 runs. Adding up the strengths for each angle and dividing by 121 gives the statistical profile for the TANGLE calculation. Overlaying the HFTA radiation pattern for the terrain profile pointing from W7 to Europe onto the TANGLE profile, and then adding up the result for each degree, gives the HFTA Figure of Merit. The net result gives an interesting assessment of the antenna/terrain for a particular path taking into account an entire sunspot cycle. That being said, TANGLE is an empirically generated projection based upon actual data taken during the International Geophysical Year and other times, and one of the key scientists who worked on VOCAP and adapted it for general use (Greg Hand) has pointed out that of all the 20 or so parameters that VOACAP can produce, TANGLE is probably the least rigorously substantiated. Still, I think that HFTA Figure of Merit offers a useful assessment of the combination of horizontally polarized antennas and terrain for a desired path. I've used HFTA quite a bit, and my on the air results subjectively correlate quite well with it. 73, Dave AB7E On 7/15/2016 12:16 PM, brian wrote: > Guys, > > There is another issue here. > > That is : > > Just because ones antenna pattern is inferior to an optimum one by 5 > or even 20 db at the best arrival angle, that doesn't mean there is > zero energy at the most important arrival angles. It just means there > is less. > > QRPers often work the same stations as QRO guys. You see it all the > time in contests. Likewise guys with high radiation angle antennas do > work DX. Maybe just not always the really rare ones, or as many or as > quickly. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > It might be more interesting to discuss something like $/db to get to > closer to optimum. Going from low dipole to a higher one might cost > zero to a couple hundred and gain 3 db at about $10-$100/db. Going > from that higher dipole to something directive that picks up 4 db more > might cost a couple kilobucks - $200-500/db. Going from this > directive array to something that picks up another 3 db might cost 5 > to 10 kilobucks. Now you're at > $1000/db. Diminishing returns can > happen quickly. > > Desktop dB are near the cheapest. One can pickup 10 db (from 100 w) > for about $100-200/db by buying a used amp. Desktop dB can be easier > to keep "in the air" too. > -------------------------------------- > So what is that extra db worth to you? Real world constrains besides > money often limit what's possible too. > > Paper and electricity is cheaper than hardware. Learn how to use > EZNEC or another antenna modeling program. Spend pennies/per bad new > antenna design rather than big bucks. Go after the cheap dB first. > Debunk the myths about magic or folklore antennas that waste time and > money. > > Don't forget feedline loss. One example was a local who was trying to > work satellites using 50' of RG58 feedline. Switching him over to > LMR-400 doubled his uplink radiated power and improved reception by > even more. > > Read all you can. For example, K9YC's paper referenced in this thread > illustrates how difficult it is to make a vertical work as well as > even reasonable height dipole on the higher frequency bands. The > ground reflection gain of a horizontal antenna (event a zig zag one) > is hard to overcome. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > On 7/15/2016 18:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Fri,7/15/2016 10:07 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> shows an example where IONCAP says there is no (usable) path between >>> two stations, yet QSOs are made. >> >> Wes, >> >> There are exceptions to every generalization, even when the >> generalization is good most of the time. I recall some well known person >> who had come up poor but was no longer saying "I've been poor and I've >> been rich, and rich is better." :) >> >> Sure, there are times when a higher angle path is better than a low >> angle path (or exists when the low angle path is not present). But >> N6BV's statistical data for paths to various locations shows low angle >> paths to be better far more often than higher angle paths. It also shows >> high angle paths some smaller percentage of the time. >> >> The HUGE problem with using the concept of "takeoff angle," and ONLY the >> takeoff angle to describe and evaluate antenna performance is that by >> looking at only one curve at a time, it fails to compare one antenna or >> mounting height to another. Again, my work looking at the effects of >> antenna height in a "flatland" QTH have all plotted the complete >> vertical pattern ON THE SAME GRAPH, which clearly shows that for the >> range of vertical angles where we can use the ionosphere, higher is >> better! N6BV presents this quite well as a "figure of merit" for the >> plots of his elevation studies in HFTA, while also showing the complete >> vertical data. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 15 22:36:13 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 19:36:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" numbers refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 cable since only 5 conductors are used. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 4:58 PM To: Clay Autery; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) Clay, Not possible - the connector is an RJ12. Pin 1 is not used and should be clipped at each end for best results. In other words, an Ethernet cable will not work. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/15/2016 7:47 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Can someone send me the RJ-45 pinout for the connection to the K-pod > (with and without the power mod)? > > I'd like to take a look at it.... I am somewhat confident that a > standard CAT-5e cable, while functional is not the BEST solution... > > Thanks! > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/15/2016 11:20 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: >> Bill >> >> So far, I'm experiencing normal operation of the K-Pod with a 14ft >> RJ12 6C straight through cable. Search for: >> >> "09600 RJ12 6P6C Straight Modular Cable" >> >> on Amazon. It was $4.99 as an add-on item to a larger order. >> >> At this point, I am not using the power modification on the K3, so I >> will report back if the results vary after swapping over to feeding >> power via the data cable. Of course, your mileage might vary >> depending on RF levels in your shack :) >> >> Warren, KD4Z >> >> >>> From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) >>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:08:00 -0400 >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Now that the K-Pod is shipping, >>> >>> need a longer rj cable for kpod >>> >>> is there a reason that an rj12 6c straight thru would not work,??? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> cautery at montac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From cautery at montac.com Fri Jul 15 23:35:12 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:35:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> Message-ID: <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> RR... I just cracked the K-pod manual and see that the cable is an RJ-25 cable... different pinouts from the RJ-12. (both 6P6C). I need the signals crossed with the pin numbers... or colors... No schematics for the K3s... I guess I'll try the K3 manual to see if it is at all illuminating... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/15/2016 9:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" numbers > refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 cable since only 5 > conductors are used. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > --- From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 15 23:50:24 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:50:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> Message-ID: Clay, The K3 and K3S schematics are the same with respect to that connector. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/15/2016 11:35 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > RR... I just cracked the K-pod manual and see that the cable is an > RJ-25 cable... different pinouts from the RJ-12. (both 6P6C). > > I need the signals crossed with the pin numbers... or colors... > > No schematics for the K3s... I guess I'll try the K3 manual to see if > it is at all illuminating... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/15/2016 9:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" numbers >> refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 cable since only 5 >> conductors are used. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> >> --- > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Jul 15 23:53:18 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:53:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> Message-ID: <1468641198819-7620216.post@n2.nabble.com> As I mentioned in an earlier post, the K3 / K3s "J3" connector leveraged by the K-Pod was originally intended to serve as a MPLAB ICD 2 (In-Circuit Debugger), http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/ICD-2%20Schematic.jpg http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/MPLAB%20ICD%202.jpg http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/devicedoc/51331b.pdf 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPOD-Re-Now-that-the-K-Pod-is-shipping-longer-RJ12-cable-tp7620182p7620216.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 00:12:52 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 07:12:52 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22D9AE22-AB64-4C91-8292-FF13FE37E4FC@gmail.com> You can tell if the noise floor increase is due to increased gain by seeing if signals increase in strength along with the noise. As Don said, OCFs are prone to common mode issues. Perhaps the power supply is acting as a ground return for the 'common mode antenna'? A common mode choke on the power leads as you suggest might be worth a try. Regarding clip-ons, remember that at HF you need multiple turns to have a noticeable affect. Also make sure they are the correct types of ferrite. The K9YC paper deals with that. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Jul 2016, at 00:01, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > > Thanks Dick and Howard... > > The RS-50 is pretty new - maybe 6 months old and is in daily use. It wasn't > until I had a rig I could easily run on batteries did I notice the noise. > The RS-12 is quite old, maybe 15 years? It had been in storage about 10 > years until trying it out today. I think I need to dig into the RS-50 and > just make sure everything is soldered and connected well. > > As for common mode currents in the antenna... would that only be an issue > during transmit? I have an OCF so I know it can be an issue on transmit. > The OCF has a 1:1 current BALUN in the center. Is that enough or do I need > to add some additional choking just below the BALUN? I have a couple of the > NI4L line isolators (http://www.ni4l.com/hf-choke-line-isolator-1-8-300-mhz/). > I could put one up there and see what it does. I also have plenty of > clip-ons laying around. I'll try them on the power lead from the supply to > the radio. > > The reports above were with *receive only* (with and without an antenna > attached). On the RS-50 the hum I'm hearing is what I think I'd expect to > hear from a less-that-well filtered linear power supply. The hash/hiss > noise I hear sounds more like a switching power supply, which it is not. I > don't know what in the power supply could be generating that noise. > > The RS-12 does not have either the hum or hiss that I can hear. It just > sounds like the noise floor bumped up a little. I'm thinking Dick is right > and it is just the receiver responding to the increased voltage though it > is only about .5 volts above the external battery pack I was using. > > Is every power supply going to generate a little noise or should I expect > no difference moving from battery to power supply? > > Kev From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Jul 16 07:13:05 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 04:13:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Another KX3 vs K3S Query... In-Reply-To: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468434598208-7620068.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1468667585837-7620218.post@n2.nabble.com> No densely packed Surface Mount components to solder on two sides of the PCB? Heck, hardly worth the effort. ;-) Actually, I'm a bit of a newbie on kits, and didn't want to muck up my new K3S system. That, and the factory burn-in and re-alignment seemed like a real plus. I'll have fun enough learning the ins/outs from the manual and WE7X's book as I work my way along. My wife could tell you that when she calls the repair guy to fix something around the house, they give her two phone estimate prices - the higher one is if I've already tried to fix it! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-KX3-vs-K3S-Query-tp7620068p7620218.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hhoyt at mebtel.net Sat Jul 16 07:19:09 2016 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 07:19:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kevin, >>As for common mode currents in the antenna... would that >>only be an issue during transmit? Except for very special cases, antenna systems display reciprocity, and show very similar or identical current distributions at the frequency of interest in transmit and receive, although the magnitudes are obviously very different. In a well-balanced antenna system the currents in the feedline are equal and of opposite phase, and in the case of a coax feedine the resulting fields are contained within the coax, i.e. there will be no current flowing on the outside of the coax shield. Antenna system imbalances at the feedpoint will cause the imbalance current to flow on the outside of the coax shield and radiate in transmit and affect the antenna pattern. In receive the exact same imbalance will exist and affect the pattern identically. In both transmit and receive, these common-mode currents will be conducted to the chassis of the rig and anything attached to it. They also capacitively couple through the power supply, you, and anything else touching or near the rig. When these currents couple through the power supply to the AC line they effectively make the AC power system part of the antenna and couple any noise present in the AC mains to the receiver. As the antenna currents pass through the supply they can also be modulated by the input-output impedance of the supply which varies at the rate of rectification, so the supply can add its own noise to these currents. Interestingly enough many people report stronger reception of the desired signals along with the increased noise, certainly proving the common-mode currents become part of the antenna system. Breaking this current path with a common-mode choke will greatly reduce or effectively eliminate this current and noise. For HF chokes we agree with Jim Brown's recommendations and we supply mix 31 cores for the purpose. Proper grounding at the rig can also reduce the AC mains coupling. After selling thousands of these Kx33 supplies we have learned a lot about the nature of most "power supply" RFI. We have found very few instances where any supply was causing RFI by transverse conduction (RF riding on the DC output) or radiation (proximity of the supply to the receive antenna). In the almost all cases, antenna system imbalances and the resulting common-mode currents were inducing RFI in the manner described above. I'd be glad to send you a ferrite core to try, contact me off-line. I hope this helps, Howard Hoyt - WA4PSC www,proaudioeng.com From kevin at k4vd.net Sat Jul 16 08:28:19 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:28:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Howard and thanks for your explanations and patience. I need to do some more testing a little later on with the KX3 on the RS-50. If I remember right, I could hear the hum and hiss from the RS-50 only when the antenna was attached. I think that goes along with what you are saying and I just need to wrap my mind around that. I am prepared to deal with RF issues while transmitting but not so prepared to think the problem could show up during receive also. So far I've added the NI4L HF Choke/Line Isolator just under the BALUN at the feedpoint and another just at the rig. I've also added a few snap-ons to the DC cord between the RS-50 and the radio at the RS-50 side. I want to add more as soon as I can find the rest of them or possibly replace them with the 2.4" ferrites at your site. After doing the above I've noticed my tuning points have shifted a bit. I need to get the analyzer on it to see by how much. I also *maybe* noticed a reduction in noise on the Flex but to tell you the truth, I never really noticed it on the Flex, only the KX3 made it obvious being able to switch from battery to external power supply. I need to do a little more testing if I can find the time this weekend. I see the 2.4" ferrite core on your website and will probably place an order for a couple/few. Does something like this go on each end of a line or do I pick an end? Thanks again, Kevin On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Howard Hoyt wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > As for common mode currents in the antenna... would that >>> only be an issue during transmit? >>> >> > Except for very special cases, antenna systems display reciprocity, and > show very similar or identical current distributions at the frequency of > interest in transmit and receive, although the magnitudes are obviously > very different. In a well-balanced antenna system the currents in the > feedline are equal and of opposite phase, and in the case of a coax feedine > the resulting fields are contained within the coax, i.e. there will be no > current flowing on the outside of the coax shield. Antenna system > imbalances at the feedpoint will cause the imbalance current to flow on the > outside of the coax shield and radiate in transmit and affect the antenna > pattern. In receive the exact same imbalance will exist and affect the > pattern identically. > > In both transmit and receive, these common-mode currents will be conducted > to the chassis of the rig and anything attached to it. They also > capacitively couple through the power supply, you, and anything else > touching or near the rig. When these currents couple through the power > supply to the AC line they effectively make the AC power system part of the > antenna and couple any noise present in the AC mains to the receiver. As > the antenna currents pass through the supply they can also be modulated by > the input-output impedance of the supply which varies at the rate of > rectification, so the supply can add its own noise to these currents. > Interestingly enough many people report stronger reception of the desired > signals along with the increased noise, certainly proving the common-mode > currents become part of the antenna system. Breaking this current path > with a common-mode choke will greatly reduce or effectively eliminate this > current and noise. For HF chokes we agree with Jim Brown's recommendations > and we supply mix 31 cores for the purpose. Proper grounding at the rig > can also reduce the AC mains coupling. > > After selling thousands of these Kx33 supplies we have learned a lot about > the nature of most "power supply" RFI. We have found very few instances > where any supply was causing RFI by transverse conduction (RF riding on the > DC output) or radiation (proximity of the supply to the receive antenna). > In the almost all cases, antenna system imbalances and the resulting > common-mode currents were inducing RFI in the manner described above. I'd > be glad to send you a ferrite core to try, contact me off-line. > > I hope this helps, > > Howard Hoyt - WA4PSC > www,proaudioeng.com > From neilz at techie.com Sat Jul 16 09:30:56 2016 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 - Programming Commands Message-ID: Hi all, Having just sprung for a KXPA100 to pair with my KX3, a PX3 and W2 are in my future, I've been playing around with setting commands up for it on DXLab Commander. I've setup the command to switch antennas, by adapting some command sequences created for the K2 & K3 and posted to the DXLab Yahoo group. There are some good resources there for Elecraft & DXLab integration. However, the KXPA100 Programmer's Reference available on the website is current to firmware revision 1.18, and the latest is 1.35. 1.35 added a function to disable the amplifier, but allow the KX3 to use the amplifier's ATU. This functionality is controlled by the KXPA100 utility, so there must be a command sequence that will perform this function. Has this command sequence been released to the public? Thanks, Neil Zampella KN3ILZ From dick at elecraft.com Sat Jul 16 09:51:09 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 - Programming Commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01d1df69$1bebbf90$53c33eb0$@elecraft.com> The most recent KXPA100 Programmer's reference is 1.18. No new commands have been recently added. What was added in 1.35 was the ability to HOLD the MODE button to toggle PA operate/standby (PA bypass). The KXPA Utility uses ^OP to change PA bypass. This is described on page 19 of the KXPA Programming Reference. ^OP is not at all new. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Neil Zampella Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 06:31 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 - Programming Commands Hi all, Having just sprung for a KXPA100 to pair with my KX3, a PX3 and W2 are in my future, I've been playing around with setting commands up for it on DXLab Commander. I've setup the command to switch antennas, by adapting some command sequences created for the K2 & K3 and posted to the DXLab Yahoo group. There are some good resources there for Elecraft & DXLab integration. However, the KXPA100 Programmer's Reference available on the website is current to firmware revision 1.18, and the latest is 1.35. 1.35 added a function to disable the amplifier, but allow the KX3 to use the amplifier's ATU. This functionality is controlled by the KXPA100 utility, so there must be a command sequence that will perform this function. Has this command sequence been released to the public? Thanks, Neil Zampella KN3ILZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From pubx1 at af2z.net Sat Jul 16 10:58:05 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:58:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <22D9AE22-AB64-4C91-8292-FF13FE37E4FC@gmail.com> References: <22D9AE22-AB64-4C91-8292-FF13FE37E4FC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <578A4B7D.3040204@af2z.net> Won't hurt to use a twisted pair cable between the PS and the rig. If you have the standard DC power cable zip cord just unplug it, twist it up real good, then plug it back in. 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/16/16 00:12, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > You can tell if the noise floor increase is due to increased gain by seeing if signals increase in strength along with the noise. > > As Don said, OCFs are prone to common mode issues. Perhaps the power supply is acting as a ground return for the 'common mode antenna'? A common mode choke on the power leads as you suggest might be worth a try. > > Regarding clip-ons, remember that at HF you need multiple turns to have a noticeable affect. Also make sure they are the correct types of ferrite. The K9YC paper deals with that. > > Vic 4X6GP > > From pubx1 at af2z.net Sat Jul 16 11:26:45 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> I have an endfed wire antenna for the low bands so there is RF in the shack which needs to be managed. In such a case a field strength meter is handy in figuring out how to arrange equipment, cables, keyboards, etc and placing ferrite toroids and snap-ons for best results. I use an old Simpson 374 microameter with a germanium diode across the terminals (cathode to plus terminal); it makes a good RF sniffer... 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/16/16 08:28, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > Hi Howard and thanks for your explanations and patience. I need to do some > more testing a little later on with the KX3 on the RS-50. If I remember > right, I could hear the hum and hiss from the RS-50 only when the antenna > was attached. I think that goes along with what you are saying and I just > need to wrap my mind around that. I am prepared to deal with RF issues > while transmitting but not so prepared to think the problem could show up > during receive also. > > So far I've added the NI4L HF Choke/Line Isolator just under the BALUN at > the feedpoint and another just at the rig. I've also added a few snap-ons > to the DC cord between the RS-50 and the radio at the RS-50 side. I want to > add more as soon as I can find the rest of them or possibly replace them > with the 2.4" ferrites at your site. > > After doing the above I've noticed my tuning points have shifted a bit. I > need to get the analyzer on it to see by how much. I also *maybe* noticed a > reduction in noise on the Flex but to tell you the truth, I never really > noticed it on the Flex, only the KX3 made it obvious being able to switch > from battery to external power supply. > > I need to do a little more testing if I can find the time this weekend. I > see the 2.4" ferrite core on your website and will probably place an order > for a couple/few. Does something like this go on each end of a line or do I > pick an end? > > Thanks again, > Kevin > > > From ron at cobi.biz Sat Jul 16 11:45:07 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:45:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> Message-ID: <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> Clay. That's a typo. See appendix B of the manual. Tnx for the head's up. That's an old reference that should be been removed. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:35 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) RR... I just cracked the K-pod manual and see that the cable is an RJ-25 cable... different pinouts from the RJ-12. (both 6P6C). I need the signals crossed with the pin numbers... or colors... No schematics for the K3s... I guess I'll try the K3 manual to see if it is at all illuminating... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/15/2016 9:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" > numbers refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 cable > since only 5 conductors are used. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > --- From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 16 11:49:45 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:49:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 Message-ID: <2EEC7A3F-F7A3-4B63-BA59-C932443F2122@bellsouth.net> Howdy Gang: I wonder what the users of the new KXPD2 paddle for the KX2 think of this paddle? Touch, feel, sensitivity, adjustability, etc...is it a worthwhile addition to the KX2? Many thanks for any info. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am KX3, KX2 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Jul 16 12:04:27 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:04:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> References: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> Message-ID: <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> Drew, Forget your field strength meter and 1) concentrate on providing a decent counterpoise for your antenna so that return current flows on that counterpoise rather than ground wiring inside your shack; and 2) on killing Pin One Problems in the equipment in your shack. You have high field strength in your shack because the antenna ends at your shack, and because it is working! Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf 73, Jim K9YC On Sat,7/16/2016 8:26 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > I have an endfed wire antenna for the low bands so there is RF in the > shack which needs to be managed. In such a case a field strength meter > is handy in figuring out how to arrange equipment, cables, keyboards, > etc and placing ferrite toroids and snap-ons for best results. I use > an old Simpson 37 From pubx1 at af2z.net Sat Jul 16 12:30:25 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:30:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <578A6121.3080102@af2z.net> I do have counterpoises: "decent" is another matter. If I had better shack/antenna choices I wouldn't be using an endfed wire to begin with. So, the counterpoises, ferrites, ground loop isolators, equipment/cable arrangement are all part of the solution. 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/16/16 12:04, Jim Brown wrote: > Drew, > > Forget your field strength meter and 1) concentrate on providing a > decent counterpoise for your antenna so that return current flows on > that counterpoise rather than ground wiring inside your shack; and 2) on > killing Pin One Problems in the equipment in your shack. You have high > field strength in your shack because the antenna ends at your shack, and > because it is working! > > Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Sat,7/16/2016 8:26 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote: >> I have an endfed wire antenna for the low bands so there is RF in the >> shack which needs to be managed. In such a case a field strength meter >> is handy in figuring out how to arrange equipment, cables, keyboards, >> etc and placing ferrite toroids and snap-ons for best results. I use >> an old Simpson 37 > > From w6sx at arrl.net Sat Jul 16 12:37:45 2016 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Counterpoises are good. Also very helpful is to adjust total length of flattop and feedline to be an odd multiple of Lambda/4 for the bands of interest. This keeps max RF voltage peaks out of the shack. Not always convenient to do if you want multiple bands. 73, Hank, W6SX On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Forget your field strength meter and 1) concentrate on providing a decent > counterpoise for your antenna so that return current flows on that > counterpoise rather than ground wiring inside your shack; and 2) on killing > Pin One Problems in the equipment in your shack. You have high field > strength in your shack because the antenna ends at your shack, and because > it is working! > > Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Sat,7/16/2016 8:26 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > >> I have an endfed wire antenna for the low bands so there is RF in the >> shack which needs to be managed. In such a case a field strength meter is >> handy in figuring out how to arrange equipment, cables, keyboards, etc and >> placing ferrite toroids and snap-ons for best results. I use an old Simpson >> 37 >> > From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 12:44:10 2016 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:44:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! Message-ID: Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? Can't find any on their website. 73 Jim ab3cv From pincon at erols.com Sat Jul 16 13:02:54 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:02:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] =?ks_c_5601-1987?b?QTk1NSA9IKXr?= Message-ID: <005b01d1df83$e8efbb30$bacf3190$@erols.com> Instead of typing out "lambda", just hold down the "ALT" key and type 955 = ? Same for : Alt 171 = ? Alt 172 = ? Alt 0216 = ? Alt 227 = ? Alt 234 = ? There's lots more where those came from... 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hank Garretson Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:38 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supplies Counterpoises are good. Also very helpful is to adjust total length of flattop and feedline to be an odd multiple of Lambda/4 for the bands of interest. This keeps max RF voltage peaks out of the shack. Not always convenient to do if you want multiple bands. 73, Hank, W6SX From ron at cobi.biz Sat Jul 16 13:39:19 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] O.T. Tuning a Counterpoise In-Reply-To: <578A6121.3080102@af2z.net> References: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> <578A6121.3080102@af2z.net> Message-ID: <002901d1df88$fbedb160$f3c91420$@biz> One approach to reduce "RF in the shack" using an end-fed wire is to resonate the "counterpoise" for the band you are using. MFJ made just such a "tuner" (model 931 IIRC) but any tunable L-network will work. The idea is to adjust the "tuner" for maximum current flowing into the counterpoise (meaning the counterpoise is offering the lowest possible impedance to the equipment it is connected to.) I have successfully used that in a 2nd story apartment feeding an end-fed wire running outside. I know one Ham who bought the MFJ box and found it worked FB. For a homebrew "counterpoise tuner" you'll need an RF ammeter but a good cheap one is an incandescent flashlight bulb in series where the counterpoise connects to the rig chassis. Tune for the counterpoise for maximum brightness with the rig running at the lowest power that will light the bulb, then short-circuit the bulb for higher power. Of course, the adjustments will interact with the tuner settings for the end-fed wire. But the "tuning" of the counterpoise is usually broad enough (low-Q) that noting the settings for each band you can return to them without doing the whole retuning thing again. (The MFJ box my buddy bought has an ammeter built in.) My "counterpoise" was a thin white wire run around the baseboard of the shack and down the hall - about 30 feet total. White wire + apartment white wall = invisible counterpoise. Worked FB 40 through 10 meters. While that will reduce the RF voltage on the rig itself, you will be sitting in a high-level RF field from the end fed wire, which limits your maximum power to meet radiation exposure limits, depending upon how far from you the antenna is located and the band you are using. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 9:30 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supplies I do have counterpoises: "decent" is another matter. If I had better shack/antenna choices I wouldn't be using an endfed wire to begin with. So, the counterpoises, ferrites, ground loop isolators, equipment/cable arrangement are all part of the solution. 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/16/16 12:04, Jim Brown wrote: > Drew, > > Forget your field strength meter and 1) concentrate on providing a > decent counterpoise for your antenna so that return current flows on > that counterpoise rather than ground wiring inside your shack; and 2) > on killing Pin One Problems in the equipment in your shack. You have > high field strength in your shack because the antenna ends at your > shack, and because it is working! > > Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Sat,7/16/2016 8:26 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote: >> I have an endfed wire antenna for the low bands so there is RF in the >> shack which needs to be managed. In such a case a field strength >> meter is handy in figuring out how to arrange equipment, cables, >> keyboards, etc and placing ferrite toroids and snap-ons for best >> results. I use an old Simpson 37 > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 16 13:57:19 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:57:19 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> Message-ID: <000001d1df8b$7fadf490$7f09ddb0$@sbcglobal.net> This is no longer true. That problem has been fixed. I don't know what firmware version it was that eliminated the need to have power to the KAT500. Even when the problem existed, it only required that there be 12 Volts at the KAT500 power connector. It did not require the KAT500 to be powered on. I solved this by having the K3 and KAT 500 powered from the same power supply. I could power on the K3 before the KAT500 with no problems. With the fix the problem is moot. On Field Day we operated the K3 and KAT500 from separate power supplies and turning on the K3 before turning on the KAT500 was not a problem. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:11 PM To: Jerry Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question No. And, the KAT should be running when you turn on the K3(S). Mine stays on all the time. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jerry, W1IE > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > nr4c at widomaker.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From dick at elecraft.com Sat Jul 16 14:10:34 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:10:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <000001d1df8b$7fadf490$7f09ddb0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000001d1dd4b$0902f710$1b08e530$@com> <000001d1df8b$7fadf490$7f09ddb0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <00ae01d1df8d$59181bb0$0b485310$@elecraft.com> K3 MCU revision 4.93 fixed this, written 10/16/2014. It's described in the firmware release notes. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark E. Musick Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:57 To: 'Nr4c' ; 'Jerry' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question This is no longer true. That problem has been fixed. I don't know what firmware version it was that eliminated the need to have power to the KAT500. Even when the problem existed, it only required that there be 12 Volts at the KAT500 power connector. It did not require the KAT500 to be powered on. I solved this by having the K3 and KAT 500 powered from the same power supply. I could power on the K3 before the KAT500 with no problems. With the fix the problem is moot. On Field Day we operated the K3 and KAT500 from separate power supplies and turning on the K3 before turning on the KAT500 was not a problem. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:11 PM To: Jerry Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 question No. And, the KAT should be running when you turn on the K3(S). Mine stays on all the time. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > Is it possible to be able to power on and off the KAT500 through the K3? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jerry, W1IE > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > nr4c at widomaker.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ktalbott at gamewood.net Sat Jul 16 14:14:21 2016 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:14:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 In-Reply-To: <2EEC7A3F-F7A3-4B63-BA59-C932443F2122@bellsouth.net> References: <2EEC7A3F-F7A3-4B63-BA59-C932443F2122@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <006c01d1df8d$e0f4d6e0$a2de84a0$@gamewood.net> This week I replaced the KXDP3 paddle on my KX2 with the KXPD2. I like the feel and adjustability of the KXPD2. Since it is shorter, the rig does not tend to move around as much. I had problems with the KXPD3 which forced me to be very assertive! The KXPD2 seems (so far) to operate with a much lighter touch. If you like the idea of a closely integrated paddle and do not own either, I would recommend the KXPD2. If you own a KXPD3 and it is functioning well, I would continue to use it. BTW, I am still eating my way up the CW food chain. Most of my operating is between 10 and 15 WPM for ragchews with frequent excursions above 20 WPM for contests in which the exchanges are predictable. You might want to wait for feedback from a QRQ operator. GL de ken ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe W2KJ Sent: July 16, 2016 11:50 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 Howdy Gang: I wonder what the users of the new KXPD2 paddle for the KX2 think of this paddle? Touch, feel, sensitivity, adjustability, etc...is it a worthwhile addition to the KX2? Many thanks for any info. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am KX3, KX2 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 14:22:26 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:22:26 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] O.T. Tuning a Counterpoise In-Reply-To: <002901d1df88$fbedb160$f3c91420$@biz> References: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> <578A6121.3080102@af2z.net> <002901d1df88$fbedb160$f3c91420$@biz> Message-ID: <2585AD99-7377-4768-A3EB-741DD02A662D@gmail.com> I am thinking that if you make the wire more than 1/4 wavelength at the lowest frequency, all you would need to tune it would be a variable capacitor. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Jul 2016, at 20:39, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > One approach to reduce "RF in the shack" using an end-fed wire is to > resonate the "counterpoise" for the band you are using. MFJ made just such a > "tuner" (model 931 IIRC) but any tunable L-network will work. The idea is to > adjust the "tuner" for maximum current flowing into the counterpoise > (meaning the counterpoise is offering the lowest possible impedance to the > equipment it is connected to.) I have successfully used that in a 2nd story > apartment feeding an end-fed wire running outside. I know one Ham who bought > the MFJ box and found it worked FB. > > For a homebrew "counterpoise tuner" you'll need an RF ammeter but a good > cheap one is an incandescent flashlight bulb in series where the > counterpoise connects to the rig chassis. Tune for the counterpoise for > maximum brightness with the rig running at the lowest power that will light > the bulb, then short-circuit the bulb for higher power. Of course, the > adjustments will interact with the tuner settings for the end-fed wire. But > the "tuning" of the counterpoise is usually broad enough (low-Q) that noting > the settings for each band you can return to them without doing the whole > retuning thing again. (The MFJ box my buddy bought has an ammeter built in.) > > > My "counterpoise" was a thin white wire run around the baseboard of the > shack and down the hall - about 30 feet total. White wire + apartment white > wall = invisible counterpoise. Worked FB 40 through 10 meters. > > While that will reduce the RF voltage on the rig itself, you will be sitting > in a high-level RF field from the end fed wire, which limits your maximum > power to meet radiation exposure limits, depending upon how far from you the > antenna is located and the band you are using. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew > AF2Z > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 9:30 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supplies > > I do have counterpoises: "decent" is another matter. If I had better > shack/antenna choices I wouldn't be using an endfed wire to begin with. > So, the counterpoises, ferrites, ground loop isolators, equipment/cable > arrangement are all part of the solution. > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > >> On 07/16/16 12:04, Jim Brown wrote: >> Drew, >> >> Forget your field strength meter and 1) concentrate on providing a >> decent counterpoise for your antenna so that return current flows on >> that counterpoise rather than ground wiring inside your shack; and 2) >> on killing Pin One Problems in the equipment in your shack. You have >> high field strength in your shack because the antenna ends at your >> shack, and because it is working! >> >> Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >>> On Sat,7/16/2016 8:26 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote: >>> I have an endfed wire antenna for the low bands so there is RF in the >>> shack which needs to be managed. In such a case a field strength >>> meter is handy in figuring out how to arrange equipment, cables, >>> keyboards, etc and placing ferrite toroids and snap-ons for best >>> results. I use an old Simpson 37 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Jul 16 14:24:38 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 In-Reply-To: <006c01d1df8d$e0f4d6e0$a2de84a0$@gamewood.net> References: <2EEC7A3F-F7A3-4B63-BA59-C932443F2122@bellsouth.net> <006c01d1df8d$e0f4d6e0$a2de84a0$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <57c87456-c847-1522-cd8a-dc67b131f8bf@socal.rr.com> Ken, Please clarify what is meant by "I had problems with the KXPD3 which forced me to be very assertive!": What problems, and assertive in what respect? Really a bit academic: I never owned the KXPD3 and have ordered the KXPD2 for its shorter arm and less tendency to move the KX2 around, as you observed. Like many here, I still wait for my KXPD2 to ship. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/16/16 11:14 AM, Ken Talbott wrote: > This week I replaced the KXDP3 paddle on my KX2 with the KXPD2. I like the > feel and adjustability of the KXPD2. Since it is shorter, the rig does not > tend to move around as much. I had problems with the KXPD3 which forced me > to be very assertive! The KXPD2 seems (so far) to operate with a much > lighter touch. If you like the idea of a closely integrated paddle and do > not own either, I would recommend the KXPD2. If you own a KXPD3 and it is > functioning well, I would continue to use it. BTW, I am still eating my > way up the CW food chain. Most of my operating is between 10 and 15 WPM for > ragchews with frequent excursions above 20 WPM for contests in which the > exchanges are predictable. You might want to wait for feedback from a QRQ > operator. > GL de ken ke4rg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe > W2KJ > Sent: July 16, 2016 11:50 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 > > Howdy Gang: > > I wonder what the users of the new KXPD2 paddle for the KX2 think of this > paddle? > > Touch, feel, sensitivity, adjustability, etc...is it a worthwhile addition > to the KX2? > > Many thanks for any info. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am > KX3, KX2 From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Jul 16 14:30:10 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] O.T. Tuning a Counterpoise In-Reply-To: <002901d1df88$fbedb160$f3c91420$@biz> References: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> <578A6121.3080102@af2z.net> <002901d1df88$fbedb160$f3c91420$@biz> Message-ID: Thanks, Ron. You just reminded me that I have an MFJ-934 (ATU with artificial ground) stashed somewhere. No real need for it just now, but who knows? Now I just need to find it! 73, Phil W7OX On 7/16/16 10:39 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > One approach to reduce "RF in the shack" using an end-fed wire is to > resonate the "counterpoise" for the band you are using. MFJ made just such a > "tuner" (model 931 IIRC) but any tunable L-network will work. The idea is to > adjust the "tuner" for maximum current flowing into the counterpoise > (meaning the counterpoise is offering the lowest possible impedance to the > equipment it is connected to.) I have successfully used that in a 2nd story > apartment feeding an end-fed wire running outside. I know one Ham who bought > the MFJ box and found it worked FB. > > For a homebrew "counterpoise tuner" you'll need an RF ammeter but a good > cheap one is an incandescent flashlight bulb in series where the > counterpoise connects to the rig chassis. Tune for the counterpoise for > maximum brightness with the rig running at the lowest power that will light > the bulb, then short-circuit the bulb for higher power. Of course, the > adjustments will interact with the tuner settings for the end-fed wire. But > the "tuning" of the counterpoise is usually broad enough (low-Q) that noting > the settings for each band you can return to them without doing the whole > retuning thing again. (The MFJ box my buddy bought has an ammeter built in.) > > > My "counterpoise" was a thin white wire run around the baseboard of the > shack and down the hall - about 30 feet total. White wire + apartment white > wall = invisible counterpoise. Worked FB 40 through 10 meters. > > While that will reduce the RF voltage on the rig itself, you will be sitting > in a high-level RF field from the end fed wire, which limits your maximum > power to meet radiation exposure limits, depending upon how far from you the > antenna is located and the band you are using. > > 73, Ron AC7AC From pubx1 at af2z.net Sat Jul 16 14:49:24 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:49:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] O.T. Tuning a Counterpoise In-Reply-To: <002901d1df88$fbedb160$f3c91420$@biz> References: <578A5235.6030300@af2z.net> <110c6d5a-8055-1053-9ada-02068c40dd1f@audiosystemsgroup.com> <578A6121.3080102@af2z.net> <002901d1df88$fbedb160$f3c91420$@biz> Message-ID: <578A81B4.2060208@af2z.net> Tks, Ron- I'll keep that in mind. My counterpoises lie on a flat roof adjacent the shack. I've never tried to tune them other than initially cutting them to theoretical best length; I suppose they could be better... 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/16/16 13:39, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > One approach to reduce "RF in the shack" using an end-fed wire is to > resonate the "counterpoise" for the band you are using. MFJ made just such a > "tuner" (model 931 IIRC) but any tunable L-network will work. The idea is to > adjust the "tuner" for maximum current flowing into the counterpoise > (meaning the counterpoise is offering the lowest possible impedance to the > equipment it is connected to.) I have successfully used that in a 2nd story > apartment feeding an end-fed wire running outside. I know one Ham who bought > the MFJ box and found it worked FB. > > For a homebrew "counterpoise tuner" you'll need an RF ammeter but a good > cheap one is an incandescent flashlight bulb in series where the > counterpoise connects to the rig chassis. Tune for the counterpoise for > maximum brightness with the rig running at the lowest power that will light > the bulb, then short-circuit the bulb for higher power. Of course, the > adjustments will interact with the tuner settings for the end-fed wire. But > the "tuning" of the counterpoise is usually broad enough (low-Q) that noting > the settings for each band you can return to them without doing the whole > retuning thing again. (The MFJ box my buddy bought has an ammeter built in.) > > > My "counterpoise" was a thin white wire run around the baseboard of the > shack and down the hall - about 30 feet total. White wire + apartment white > wall = invisible counterpoise. Worked FB 40 through 10 meters. > > While that will reduce the RF voltage on the rig itself, you will be sitting > in a high-level RF field from the end fed wire, which limits your maximum > power to meet radiation exposure limits, depending upon how far from you the > antenna is located and the band you are using. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > > > > > > From ktalbott at gamewood.net Sat Jul 16 15:25:55 2016 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:25:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 In-Reply-To: <57c87456-c847-1522-cd8a-dc67b131f8bf@socal.rr.com> References: <2EEC7A3F-F7A3-4B63-BA59-C932443F2122@bellsouth.net> <006c01d1df8d$e0f4d6e0$a2de84a0$@gamewood.net> <57c87456-c847-1522-cd8a-dc67b131f8bf@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <007a01d1df97$e077d320$a1677960$@gamewood.net> My KXPD3 paddle (which I purchased used) is prone to miss depressions of either side, usually at the worse time in a QSO. There was an early fix by Elecraft which by inspection I believe was installed. Assertive? I have to pound on the paddles much harder than I would like to avoid missing one or more character elements. Ken - ke4rg From: Phil Wheeler [mailto:w7ox at socal.rr.com] Sent: July 16, 2016 14:25 To: Ken Talbott ; 'Joe W2KJ' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 Ken, Please clarify what is meant by "I had problems with the KXPD3 which forced me to be very assertive!": What problems, and assertive in what respect? Really a bit academic: I never owned the KXPD3 and have ordered the KXPD2 for its shorter arm and less tendency to move the KX2 around, as you observed. Like many here, I still wait for my KXPD2 to ship. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/16/16 11:14 AM, Ken Talbott wrote: This week I replaced the KXDP3 paddle on my KX2 with the KXPD2. I like the feel and adjustability of the KXPD2. Since it is shorter, the rig does not tend to move around as much. I had problems with the KXPD3 which forced me to be very assertive! The KXPD2 seems (so far) to operate with a much lighter touch. If you like the idea of a closely integrated paddle and do not own either, I would recommend the KXPD2. If you own a KXPD3 and it is functioning well, I would continue to use it. BTW, I am still eating my way up the CW food chain. Most of my operating is between 10 and 15 WPM for ragchews with frequent excursions above 20 WPM for contests in which the exchanges are predictable. You might want to wait for feedback from a QRQ operator. GL de ken ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe W2KJ Sent: July 16, 2016 11:50 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 Howdy Gang: I wonder what the users of the new KXPD2 paddle for the KX2 think of this paddle? Touch, feel, sensitivity, adjustability, etc...is it a worthwhile addition to the KX2? Many thanks for any info. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am KX3, KX2 From ar at dseven.org Sat Jul 16 15:58:52 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:58:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? > > Can't find any on their website. The KHAT ($12) appears on the order page in three different places. http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm Not sure if there's anything else available for purchase from Elecraft, but there may be "aftermarket options" like: http://www.qsl.net/w9wis/sewdivine/Elecraft_Shirts.html 73, ~iain / N6ML From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 16:07:07 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:07:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: <578a93e7.c61d6b0a.91c1e.1a0d@mx.google.com> Hmmmm Could it be a Long wire, Inverted L or even a comes under so many of the Slopper perhaps? Jim K9TF From ab2tc at arrl.net Sat Jul 16 16:07:03 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:07:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?QTk1NSA9IM67?= In-Reply-To: <005b01d1df83$e8efbb30$bacf3190$@erols.com> References: <005b01d1df83$e8efbb30$bacf3190$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1468699623595-7620240.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, No, please don't use anything beyond the 0x20 to 0x7E standard ASCII characters range. There are too many different delivery options for these messages to reliably render anything outside this range correctly. I am using marc.info to read messages and Nabble to respond to them. Using fancy email clients to create HTML codes for the standard ASCII apostrophe and quotation marks is also an irritating, but common "feature" on this reflector. AB2TC - Knut Charlie T, K3ICH wrote > Instead of typing out "lambda", just hold down the "ALT" key and type 955 > = ? > > Same for : > Alt 171 = ? > Alt 172 = ? > Alt 0216 = ? > Alt 227 = ? > Alt 234 = ? > > There's lots more where those came from... > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto: > elecraft-bounces at .qth > ] On Behalf Of Hank > Garretson > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:38 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector < > elecraft at .qth > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supplies > > Counterpoises are good. > > Also very helpful is to adjust total length of flattop and feedline to be > an odd multiple of Lambda/4 for the bands of interest. This keeps max RF > voltage peaks out of the shack. Not always convenient to do if you want > multiple bands. > > 73, > > Hank, W6SX > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-A955-tp7620230p7620240.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 16:30:39 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 16:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 In-Reply-To: <544of2idljnr6q8shm7brgqa.1468599897242@email.android.com> References: <544of2idljnr6q8shm7brgqa.1468599897242@email.android.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: > (End Fed On 80 But Works Great On Other Bands Too). :-) One of the endearing qualities of an 80 meter end-fed half-wave L is that it is usually a very good antenna for both 7 and 10 MHz. If the bend of the L is somewhere close to the middle of the wire, as in up 55 out 75, up 70 out 60, we get some interesting if counter-intuitive effects. On 40 the wire acts like a 40 dipole hung in the same air space. Due to the interaction of the vertical and horizontal parts of the L, the vertical wire becomes a single wire feedline. Very easy to model. Try it and get used to the idea that to the naked brain that doesn't make any sense. On 30m the pattern is a low-ish angle omnidirectional. Since it is a high Z feedpoint on all three bands, one half-wave on 80, two on 40 and three on 30, the use of pathetic ground is permitted at the feedpoint. If you add the switching and an FCP, this becomes a very efficient antenna for 160-80-40-30. Use of the pathetic ground on 160, since that is a *current* feed rather than a voltage feed will produce a pathetic 160 radiated signal. 73, Guy K2AV From ed at w0yk.com Sat Jul 16 16:33:00 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:33:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 Message-ID: The KXPD2 feels really good to me.? It works well with the lightweight radio, even with my relatively heavy fist.? There is only one adjustment--contact spacing, which is easy with the attached Allen key. On Jul 16, 2016 11:14 AM, Ken Talbott wrote: > > This week I replaced the KXDP3 paddle on my KX2 with the KXPD2.? I like the > feel and adjustability of the KXPD2.? Since it is shorter, the rig does not > tend to move around as much.? I had problems with the KXPD3 which forced me > to be very assertive!? The KXPD2 seems (so far) to operate with a much > lighter touch.? If you like the idea of a closely integrated paddle and do > not own either, I would recommend the KXPD2.? If you own a KXPD3 and it is > functioning well, I would continue to use it.? BTW, I am still? eating my > way up the CW food chain.? Most of my operating is between 10 and 15 WPM for > ragchews with frequent excursions above 20 WPM for contests in which the > exchanges are predictable.? You might want to wait for feedback from a QRQ > operator. > GL de ken ke4rg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe > W2KJ > Sent: July 16, 2016 11:50 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 > > Howdy Gang: > > I wonder what the users of the new KXPD2 paddle for the KX2 think of this > paddle? > > Touch, feel, sensitivity, adjustability, etc...is it a worthwhile addition > to the KX2? > > Many thanks for any info. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am > KX3, KX2 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Jul 16 16:53:15 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:53:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I find the KHAT to be on the small side. I have a largish head (7 3/4), somewhat smaller smaller than Bruce Bochy. http://aroundthefoghorn.com/2014/05/20/just-big-bruce-bochys-head/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:58 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? >> >> Can't find any on their website. > > The KHAT ($12) appears on the order page in three different places. > > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm > > Not sure if there's anything else available for purchase from > Elecraft, but there may be "aftermarket options" like: > > http://www.qsl.net/w9wis/sewdivine/Elecraft_Shirts.html > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w1az at comcast.net Sat Jul 16 17:14:53 2016 From: w1az at comcast.net (Bernie Gardner) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:14:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 In-Reply-To: <20160716203808.B33B4CE41E2@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160716203808.B33B4CE41E2@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <578AA3CD.4060804@comcast.net> I've been using my KXPD3 with the KX2 while waiting for the KXOD2 (just left the left screw out for now.) I had the same problem with having to press harder on the paddles than I wanted to, especially with only one screw attaching it to the radio. I figured there might be some oxidation on the paddle contacts and bought a can of Deoxit D5 from Radio Shack. A couple of sprays and the paddle responds fine now. Bernie W1AZ > Ed Muns > Saturday, July 16, 2016 4:33 PM > The KXPD2 feels really good to me. It works well with the lightweight > radio, even with my relatively heavy fist. There is only one > adjustment--contact spacing, which is easy with the attached Allen key. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftI' > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1az at comcast.net -- Sent from Postbox From neilz at techie.com Sat Jul 16 17:14:38 2016 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:14:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 - Programming Commands In-Reply-To: <003b01d1df69$1bebbf90$53c33eb0$@elecraft.com> References: <003b01d1df69$1bebbf90$53c33eb0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Dick, OK, I misunderstood this as a new feature, from the Elecraft website firmware notes: * Add manual switch to disable amplifier with ATU available: * MODE button HOLD now toggles power amplifier bypass. * Power ON LED blinks slowly when PA is bypassed. So, based on what you're saying, I can use ~OP0 to bypass the amplifier, but still have access the KXPA100's ATU, right? Great ... thanks for that clarification. Neil Zampella KN3ILZ On 7/16/2016 9:51 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > The most recent KXPA100 Programmer's reference is 1.18. > > No new commands have been recently added. What was added in 1.35 was the > ability to HOLD the MODE button to toggle PA operate/standby (PA bypass). > > The KXPA Utility uses ^OP to change PA bypass. This is described on page 19 > of the KXPA Programming Reference. ^OP is not at all new. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > From ekacura at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 17:42:42 2016 From: ekacura at yahoo.com (Edward Kacura) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:42:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 In-Reply-To: <2EEC7A3F-F7A3-4B63-BA59-C932443F2122@bellsouth.net> References: <2EEC7A3F-F7A3-4B63-BA59-C932443F2122@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <5BC5523B-A39C-4372-8545-04AE36F5C376@yahoo.com> In a word Joe, it's worthwhile ! I'm so glad I ordered one, I love it ! It's a great improvement over the KX3 paddle IMO ! I'm seriously thinking of getting a second one for my KX3 I love the new one so well. 73 de Ed N7EDK Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2016, at 11:49, Joe W2KJ wrote: > > Howdy Gang: > > I wonder what the users of the new KXPD2 paddle for the KX2 think of this paddle? > > Touch, feel, sensitivity, adjustability, etc...is it a worthwhile addition to the KX2? > > Many thanks for any info. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am > KX3, KX2 From cautery at montac.com Sat Jul 16 17:53:24 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 16:53:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> Message-ID: No problem Ron... So can someone tell me: Is the Elecraft cable that comes with the K-Pod a simple straight through cable? What wire color or color/stripe conductor is on each pin? I dug through the schematics, et al last night and figured out what each is named... Just wondering if any thought was given to which pins share paired conductors, why, and if anyone considered the twist rate in choosing which pair to use to carry a signal/voltage... Since only 5 of 6 conductors are used, one conductor has no paired mate... It's a thought experiment for now... But the REASON is to see if the standard cable is optimized as is for using an EXTENDED cable... e.g. I want to figure out how long we can make the cable before timing/sig degradation, etc becomes an issue... Also, I think I have seen at least one report where the cable construction MIGHT have been the issue... "Roll your own" isn't as simple as one might think when the paired signals are not differential "mates". 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/16/2016 10:45 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Clay. That's a typo. See appendix B of the manual. > > Tnx for the head's up. That's an old reference that should be been removed. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:35 PM > To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer > RJ12 cable) > > RR... I just cracked the K-pod manual and see that the cable is an > RJ-25 cable... different pinouts from the RJ-12. (both 6P6C). > > I need the signals crossed with the pin numbers... or colors... > > No schematics for the K3s... I guess I'll try the K3 manual to see if it is > at all illuminating... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/15/2016 9:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" >> numbers refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 cable >> since only 5 conductors are used. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> >> --- From cautery at montac.com Sat Jul 16 18:01:44 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wish I'd have gotten a shirt when I bought my hat at HAMCOM, Irving, TX. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/16/2016 11:44 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? > > Can't find any on their website. > > 73 > > Jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From ron at cobi.biz Sat Jul 16 18:47:34 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:47:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> Message-ID: <000f01d1dfb4$0be10a60$23a31f20$@biz> Hi Clay: It is a simple straight through cable. I can't give you the color codes because I don't have the specific cable being shipped. The cable I have is a modified RJ12 (pin 1 disconnected at both ends so I don't care which one I plug into the K3S). The factory was still making up cables when they sent a field test K-Pod to me. I would not hesitate to make up another by just mounting a pair of male 6P6C connectors on the ends of ordinary 6-wire telephone cable, clipping off one wire since pin 1 isn't used. The Project Engineer hasn't mentioned any concerns about twisting conductors or pairing the wires in any particular order. What I have is a flat cable w/o any twisted pairs. I doubt if it is possible to connect the wires to the connectors in any order than they way they are molded in the cable. The only 'trick' is to be sure one connector is turned over so pin 2 at one end connects to pin 2 at the other end, and so on. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:53 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) No problem Ron... So can someone tell me: Is the Elecraft cable that comes with the K-Pod a simple straight through cable? What wire color or color/stripe conductor is on each pin? I dug through the schematics, et al last night and figured out what each is named... Just wondering if any thought was given to which pins share paired conductors, why, and if anyone considered the twist rate in choosing which pair to use to carry a signal/voltage... Since only 5 of 6 conductors are used, one conductor has no paired mate... It's a thought experiment for now... But the REASON is to see if the standard cable is optimized as is for using an EXTENDED cable... e.g. I want to figure out how long we can make the cable before timing/sig degradation, etc becomes an issue... Also, I think I have seen at least one report where the cable construction MIGHT have been the issue... "Roll your own" isn't as simple as one might think when the paired signals are not differential "mates". 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/16/2016 10:45 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Clay. That's a typo. See appendix B of the manual. > > Tnx for the head's up. That's an old reference that should be been removed. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:35 PM > To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, > (longer > RJ12 cable) > > RR... I just cracked the K-pod manual and see that the cable is an > RJ-25 cable... different pinouts from the RJ-12. (both 6P6C). > > I need the signals crossed with the pin numbers... or colors... > > No schematics for the K3s... I guess I'll try the K3 manual to see if > it is at all illuminating... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/15/2016 9:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" >> numbers refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 cable >> since only 5 conductors are used. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> >> --- From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 16 19:40:21 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:40:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KXPD2 paddle for KX2 Message-ID: <77E293E0-B84D-4670-A85D-5879AACD305E@bellsouth.net> Howdy Gang: Many thanks for all of the uniformly favorable comments regarding the KXPD2 paddle for the KX2. Will seriously consider getting one for my KX2. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From cautery at montac.com Sat Jul 16 19:58:04 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KFL3B-FM Filter Message-ID: <556f8fa4-f02b-c0f7-be28-0a71a0c76bc0@montac.com> Does anyone have an extra KFL3B-FM 13kHz FM filter they'd be willing to part with? Reply here or directly to my email with your terms. 73, -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 From cautery at montac.com Sat Jul 16 20:13:20 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:13:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <000f01d1dfb4$0be10a60$23a31f20$@biz> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> <000f01d1dfb4$0be10a60$23a31f20$@biz> Message-ID: <8d6581a2-7d36-2ba5-70b2-4bf3c9d0eb3f@montac.com> Thanks Ron... I know it is straight through, but the color codes on the shipping cable are key to my research/testing so I can determine: 1) Which signals are paired/not paired, and 2) Which pair signals are on (due to the differing twist rate on each pair). If the shipping cable isn't using twisted pair, I would be even more interested in doing some testing... Again, my ??s revolve around making extended cables and finding out how long they can be extended before "issues" arise... There are a number of ways to "trick" signal circuits into allowing longer than "standard" cables as "within spec". We made 30 foot long IDE cables that worked fine back when they were telling us that they could be no longer than 24 inches max... We also made standard length cables that actually IMPOROVED IDE HDD performance because we "cleaned up" the signals in various ways... As I said... just a thought exercise at the moment... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/16/2016 5:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Hi Clay: > > It is a simple straight through cable. I can't give you the color codes > because I don't have the specific cable being shipped. The cable I have is a > modified RJ12 (pin 1 disconnected at both ends so I don't care which one I > plug into the K3S). The factory was still making up cables when they sent a > field test K-Pod to me. > > I would not hesitate to make up another by just mounting a pair of male 6P6C > connectors on the ends of ordinary 6-wire telephone cable, clipping off one > wire since pin 1 isn't used. > > The Project Engineer hasn't mentioned any concerns about twisting conductors > or pairing the wires in any particular order. What I have is a flat cable > w/o any twisted pairs. I doubt if it is possible to connect the wires to the > connectors in any order than they way they are molded in the cable. The only > 'trick' is to be sure one connector is turned over so pin 2 at one end > connects to pin 2 at the other end, and so on. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:53 PM > To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer > RJ12 cable) > > No problem Ron... So can someone tell me: > > Is the Elecraft cable that comes with the K-Pod a simple straight through > cable? > > What wire color or color/stripe conductor is on each pin? > > I dug through the schematics, et al last night and figured out what each is > named... Just wondering if any thought was given to which pins share paired > conductors, why, and if anyone considered the twist rate in choosing which > pair to use to carry a signal/voltage... > > Since only 5 of 6 conductors are used, one conductor has no paired mate... > > It's a thought experiment for now... > > But the REASON is to see if the standard cable is optimized as is for using > an EXTENDED cable... e.g. I want to figure out how long we can make the > cable before timing/sig degradation, etc becomes an issue... > > Also, I think I have seen at least one report where the cable construction > MIGHT have been the issue... > > "Roll your own" isn't as simple as one might think when the paired signals > are not differential "mates". > > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/16/2016 10:45 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Clay. That's a typo. See appendix B of the manual. >> >> Tnx for the head's up. That's an old reference that should be been > removed. >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:35 PM >> To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, >> (longer >> RJ12 cable) >> >> RR... I just cracked the K-pod manual and see that the cable is an >> RJ-25 cable... different pinouts from the RJ-12. (both 6P6C). >> >> I need the signals crossed with the pin numbers... or colors... >> >> No schematics for the K3s... I guess I'll try the K3 manual to see if >> it is at all illuminating... >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 7/15/2016 9:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" >>> numbers refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 cable >>> since only 5 conductors are used. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> >>> >>> --- > From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:14:22 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:14:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] TXMON for P3 Message-ID: <66d2b097-839e-98f9-8f63-be5e439569c8@gmail.com> I just received and installed the TX MON for the P3. It was an easy installation, went by quickly and seamlessly. The proof is in the pudding; a few menu selections on the P3 and everything is as planned and works just great! If you are sitting on the fence about adding one, I can assure you that you will probably like it as much as I do. Keep up the great work Elecraft! Now if only my KXPD2 would show up... 73 de Dave. W5SV From kc6cnn at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:24:33 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:24:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Decoded Text on the P3 Message-ID: <1468715073977-7620253.post@n2.nabble.com> Will the P3 ever get the ability to have decoded text on the P3 screen like the PX3? That why if I run field day I can read the text off of my P3 two line screens. Would be nice to have that. 73 Gerald ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Decoded-Text-on-the-P3-tp7620253.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From clawsoncw at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:35:35 2016 From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:35:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade Message-ID: Maybe the combined wisdom of the group will be able to help before I send this to Elecraft support. I installed the KIO3B upgrade in my K3. The USB interface from PC to K3 works but only if you don't plug a cable in the RS232/P3 jack. The RS232 connection to the P3 isn't happening -- no frequency info or VFO cursors are displayed. Just hooking it up causes communication with the K3 to fail. Even if the connectors to the P3 are left unplugged, simply plugging the cable into the RS232/P3 jack causes communication to fail. If I try RS232 mode, the PC can talk to the P3 with the P3 utility, but cannot talk to the K3. There are some slightly different symptoms, depending, so here's more: 1. USB mode, CBLP3Y plugged into the K3 jack but not plugged into P3. Starting the K3 utility yields the message "K3 waiting for firmware load." 2. If I plug the Y cable into the P3 and start the K3 Utility, it cycles through baud rates and never sees the K3. The same happens if I use RS232 mode and connect the PC to the P3 and the P3 to the K3 with the single-headed cable. All firmware and utilities are up to date and I've double and triple checked all the settings I can think of. I even re-opened the top to double check the USB/RS232 switch on the KIO3B. Any suggestions? I'm thinking that my digital IO board might be faulty. Thanks, Carl WS7L From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:35:21 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <8d6581a2-7d36-2ba5-70b2-4bf3c9d0eb3f@montac.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> <000f01d1dfb4$0be10a60$23a31f20$@biz> <8d6581a2-7d36-2ba5-70b2-4bf3c9d0eb3f@montac.com> Message-ID: Clay, The cable is 5 (active) parallel wires, no twisted pairs. Yes, you can probably construct a cable with twisted pairs that would work well over a much greater distance, but that is only a guess at this point. Why not give it a try and report your results. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/16/2016 8:13 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Thanks Ron... > > I know it is straight through, but the color codes on the shipping cable > are key to my research/testing so I can determine: > > 1) Which signals are paired/not paired, and > > 2) Which pair signals are on (due to the differing twist rate on each pair). > > If the shipping cable isn't using twisted pair, I would be even more > interested in doing some testing... > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:37:15 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:37:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Decoded Text on the P3 In-Reply-To: <1468715073977-7620253.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468715073977-7620253.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <17c60b46-9287-1d47-a3ec-53648d8c1826@embarqmail.com> Gerald, Add the P3SVGA option and you can see the text on the SVGA monitor. 73, Don w3FPR On 7/16/2016 8:24 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > Will the P3 ever get the ability to have decoded text on the P3 screen like > the PX3? > That why if I run field day I can read the text off of my P3 two line > screens. Would be nice to have that. > From ae5x at juno.com Sat Jul 16 20:49:53 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:49:53 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale Message-ID: <20160716.194953.29547.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Details and photos: http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2016/07/elecraft-k3-for-sale.html 73, John AE5X ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 From cautery at montac.com Sat Jul 16 20:51:54 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:51:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> <000f01d1dfb4$0be10a60$23a31f20$@biz> <8d6581a2-7d36-2ba5-70b2-4bf3c9d0eb3f@montac.com> Message-ID: <2edac2b1-36b2-665a-d463-77c0412106ea@montac.com> RR.... thanks... think I've established that they are using flat ribbon 6-conductor cable with the "old" color scheme, parallel, non-twisted... And yes, all my experience says that: 1) using PROPERLY constructed twisted-pair cable choosing the correct pairs (use 3 of 4 pair on CAT-5/6/7 wire, will yield a much more robust standard length cable... and 2) significantly extended cable will likely REQUIRE some form of twisted pairing, and perhaps even some additional "tricks" like 1 ground (Vss) per signal, etc, etc... and perhaps even an STP with the shield bonded to the chassis on the K-pod and K3(s) etc... I don't KNOW any of this... But all of my experience leads me to think in this direction. Granted, at the moment it is a solution in search of a problem. ;-) 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/16/2016 7:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Clay, > > The cable is 5 (active) parallel wires, no twisted pairs. > Yes, you can probably construct a cable with twisted pairs that would > work well over a much greater distance, but that is only a guess at > this point. > Why not give it a try and report your results. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/16/2016 8:13 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Thanks Ron... >> >> I know it is straight through, but the color codes on the shipping cable >> are key to my research/testing so I can determine: >> >> 1) Which signals are paired/not paired, and >> >> 2) Which pair signals are on (due to the differing twist rate on each >> pair). >> >> If the shipping cable isn't using twisted pair, I would be even more >> interested in doing some testing... >> >> > From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:52:26 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <136dbf2d-2770-a35c-57c1-d6e1cf14d282@gmail.com> Carl, A couple of thoughts. 1) Losing communications with the Y cable plugged into the KIO3B but not having BOTH DE-9 connectors attached to the P3 will result in no communications. The KIO3B senses the Y cable and routes the USB side communications to the P3 which then routes signals to the K3. 2) Be sure the cable is fully seated into the jack on the KIO3B. The plastic lock should "click" into place. You can verify this with a gentle tug on the cable after it is inserted to verify it is fully seated. 3) Be sure the P3 is set to 38,400 bps on its serial ports. 4) If the cable is fully seated and the P3 is set to 38,400 bps and you still have the problem, I'd suspect the Y cable being defective. I don;t know if the schematics for the cable are on the website or supplied with the cable to assist you in troubleshooting the cable if you so desire, so it may require a call to support on Monday, or an email directly to them. 73, Lyle KK7P > Maybe the combined wisdom of the group will be able to help before I send > this to Elecraft support. > > I installed the KIO3B upgrade in my K3. The USB interface from PC to K3 > works but only if you don't plug a cable in the RS232/P3 jack. The RS232 > connection to the P3 isn't happening... From kc6cnn at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 21:05:59 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Decoded Text on the P3 In-Reply-To: <17c60b46-9287-1d47-a3ec-53648d8c1826@embarqmail.com> References: <1468715073977-7620253.post@n2.nabble.com> <17c60b46-9287-1d47-a3ec-53648d8c1826@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Don Yeah I have that but was hoping it would work on just the P3 like the PX3 does do I did not have to set up a monitor. > On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Gerald, > > Add the P3SVGA option and you can see the text on the SVGA monitor. > > 73, > Don w3FPR > >> On 7/16/2016 8:24 PM, KC6CNN wrote: >> Will the P3 ever get the ability to have decoded text on the P3 screen like >> the PX3? >> That why if I run field day I can read the text off of my P3 two line >> screens. Would be nice to have that. > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 21:29:16 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:29:16 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Decoded Text on the P3 In-Reply-To: References: <1468715073977-7620253.post@n2.nabble.com> <17c60b46-9287-1d47-a3ec-53648d8c1826@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <578adf8e.9549620a.7e039.ffffa9d4@mx.google.com> This is the main reason I no longer have my P3. The second was the TX monitor which did not meet my requirement. An extra monitor in the motor home simply will not fit. Admittedly cost became a factor as well given the add on hardware as well as the monitor and it all got to difficult. However, I love my K-line and don't plan on replacing it in this lifetime. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Gerald Manthey" Sent: ?17/?07/?2016 11:06 AM To: "donwilh at embarqmail.com" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Decoded Text on the P3 Hello Don Yeah I have that but was hoping it would work on just the P3 like the PX3 does do I did not have to set up a monitor. > On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Gerald, > > Add the P3SVGA option and you can see the text on the SVGA monitor. > > 73, > Don w3FPR > >> On 7/16/2016 8:24 PM, KC6CNN wrote: >> Will the P3 ever get the ability to have decoded text on the P3 screen like >> the PX3? >> That why if I run field day I can read the text off of my P3 two line >> screens. Would be nice to have that. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From kc6cnn at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 21:35:39 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Decoded Text on the P3 In-Reply-To: <578adf8e.9549620a.7e039.ffffa9d4@mx.google.com> References: <1468715073977-7620253.post@n2.nabble.com> <17c60b46-9287-1d47-a3ec-53648d8c1826@embarqmail.com> <578adf8e.9549620a.7e039.ffffa9d4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <33CF8531-0547-4706-B84C-BCAFF3C66613@gmail.com> Hey Gary hope all is well! Did you pack up and move because of weather? LOL Yeah I'm looking for some down size for when I'm at the cabin. It is solar power and would be nice to be able to watch P3 for a couple of lines rather than a word at a time on the K3. Also room is an issue here too. Okay hopefully if the can do the PX3 they can do it to the P3. Fingers crossed. Take care Gary we still need to arrange a qso. Hihi > On Jul 16, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Gary wrote: > > This is the main reason I no longer have my P3. > The second was the TX monitor which did not meet my requirement. > An extra monitor in the motor home simply will not fit. > Admittedly cost became a factor as well given the add on hardware as well as the monitor and it all got to difficult. > However, I love my K-line and don't plan on replacing it in this lifetime. > Gary > From: Gerald Manthey > Sent: ?17/?07/?2016 11:06 AM > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Decoded Text on the P3 > > Hello Don > Yeah I have that but was hoping it would work on just the P3 like the PX3 does do I did not have to set up a monitor. > > > > On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > > > Gerald, > > > > Add the P3SVGA option and you can see the text on the SVGA monitor. > > > > 73, > > Don w3FPR > > > >> On 7/16/2016 8:24 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > >> Will the P3 ever get the ability to have decoded text on the P3 screen like > >> the PX3? > >> That why if I run field day I can read the text off of my P3 two line > >> screens. Would be nice to have that. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From clawsoncw at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 21:47:26 2016 From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade In-Reply-To: <136dbf2d-2770-a35c-57c1-d6e1cf14d282@gmail.com> References: <136dbf2d-2770-a35c-57c1-d6e1cf14d282@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Lyle. I tried those things. If it's a cable problem then I must have TWO defective cables, because feeding RS232 to the P3 and connecting the single-headed cable to the K3 also results in no communications to the K3. And yes, I put the K3 in RS232 mode at 38400 baud when I tried that. -- Carl On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > Carl, > > A couple of thoughts. > > 1) Losing communications with the Y cable plugged into the KIO3B but not > having BOTH DE-9 connectors attached to the P3 will result in no > communications. The KIO3B senses the Y cable and routes the USB side > communications to the P3 which then routes signals to the K3. > > 2) Be sure the cable is fully seated into the jack on the KIO3B. The > plastic lock should "click" into place. You can verify this with a gentle > tug on the cable after it is inserted to verify it is fully seated. > > 3) Be sure the P3 is set to 38,400 bps on its serial ports. > > 4) If the cable is fully seated and the P3 is set to 38,400 bps and you > still have the problem, I'd suspect the Y cable being defective. I don;t > know if the schematics for the cable are on the website or supplied with > the cable to assist you in troubleshooting the cable if you so desire, so > it may require a call to support on Monday, or an email directly to them. > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > > > Maybe the combined wisdom of the group will be able to help before I send >> this to Elecraft support. >> >> I installed the KIO3B upgrade in my K3. The USB interface from PC to K3 >> works but only if you don't plug a cable in the RS232/P3 jack. The RS232 >> connection to the P3 isn't happening... >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to clawsoncw at gmail.com > From ron at cobi.biz Sat Jul 16 22:53:40 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:53:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) In-Reply-To: <8d6581a2-7d36-2ba5-70b2-4bf3c9d0eb3f@montac.com> References: <57890D50.9060300@gmail.com> <8c0088b6-1c59-10af-07ae-ef69d8b174f5@montac.com> <2452cbaf-0dc8-693e-c318-8c2cdee12892@embarqmail.com> <001901d1df0a$d22f3070$768d9150$@biz> <4762c360-f4c9-f8e4-505f-d8a7ecac7928@montac.com> <001801d1df79$0794bc80$16be3580$@biz> <000f01d1dfb4$0be10a60$23a31f20$@biz> <8d6581a2-7d36-2ba5-70b2-4bf3c9d0eb3f@montac.com> Message-ID: <001501d1dfd6$6cd37d90$467a78b0$@biz> I recommend you sending an e-mail to k3support at elecraft dot com. They will get the answer or send it on to the design engineers. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 5:13 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, (longer RJ12 cable) Thanks Ron... I know it is straight through, but the color codes on the shipping cable are key to my research/testing so I can determine: 1) Which signals are paired/not paired, and 2) Which pair signals are on (due to the differing twist rate on each pair). If the shipping cable isn't using twisted pair, I would be even more interested in doing some testing... Again, my ??s revolve around making extended cables and finding out how long they can be extended before "issues" arise... There are a number of ways to "trick" signal circuits into allowing longer than "standard" cables as "within spec". We made 30 foot long IDE cables that worked fine back when they were telling us that they could be no longer than 24 inches max... We also made standard length cables that actually IMPOROVED IDE HDD performance because we "cleaned up" the signals in various ways... As I said... just a thought exercise at the moment... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/16/2016 5:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Hi Clay: > > It is a simple straight through cable. I can't give you the color > codes because I don't have the specific cable being shipped. The cable > I have is a modified RJ12 (pin 1 disconnected at both ends so I don't > care which one I plug into the K3S). The factory was still making up > cables when they sent a field test K-Pod to me. > > I would not hesitate to make up another by just mounting a pair of > male 6P6C connectors on the ends of ordinary 6-wire telephone cable, > clipping off one wire since pin 1 isn't used. > > The Project Engineer hasn't mentioned any concerns about twisting > conductors or pairing the wires in any particular order. What I have > is a flat cable w/o any twisted pairs. I doubt if it is possible to > connect the wires to the connectors in any order than they way they > are molded in the cable. The only 'trick' is to be sure one connector > is turned over so pin 2 at one end connects to pin 2 at the other end, and so on. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:53 PM > To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, > (longer > RJ12 cable) > > No problem Ron... So can someone tell me: > > Is the Elecraft cable that comes with the K-Pod a simple straight > through cable? > > What wire color or color/stripe conductor is on each pin? > > I dug through the schematics, et al last night and figured out what > each is named... Just wondering if any thought was given to which > pins share paired conductors, why, and if anyone considered the twist > rate in choosing which pair to use to carry a signal/voltage... > > Since only 5 of 6 conductors are used, one conductor has no paired mate... > > It's a thought experiment for now... > > But the REASON is to see if the standard cable is optimized as is for > using an EXTENDED cable... e.g. I want to figure out how long we can > make the cable before timing/sig degradation, etc becomes an issue... > > Also, I think I have seen at least one report where the cable > construction MIGHT have been the issue... > > "Roll your own" isn't as simple as one might think when the paired > signals are not differential "mates". > > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/16/2016 10:45 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Clay. That's a typo. See appendix B of the manual. >> >> Tnx for the head's up. That's an old reference that should be been > removed. >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:35 PM >> To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPOD] Re: Now that the K-Pod is shipping, >> (longer >> RJ12 cable) >> >> RR... I just cracked the K-pod manual and see that the cable is an >> RJ-25 cable... different pinouts from the RJ-12. (both 6P6C). >> >> I need the signals crossed with the pin numbers... or colors... >> >> No schematics for the K3s... I guess I'll try the K3 manual to see >> if it is at all illuminating... >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 7/15/2016 9:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> Don is correct but, actually, the connector is a 6PC6 male. The "RJ" >>> numbers refer to the wiring AND connector. So it is NOT an RJ12 >>> cable since only 5 conductors are used. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> >>> >>> --- > From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Sat Jul 16 23:03:44 2016 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:03:44 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <136dbf2d-2770-a35c-57c1-d6e1cf14d282@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Carl Have you actually set RS232 to USB in the Config menu ? Just a thought. Barry VK2BJ On 17 July 2016 at 11:47, Carl Clawson wrote: > Thanks Lyle. I tried those things. If it's a cable problem then I must have > TWO defective cables, because feeding RS232 to the P3 and connecting the > single-headed cable to the K3 also results in no communications to the K3. > And yes, I put the K3 in RS232 mode at 38400 baud when I tried that. > > -- Carl > > On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > > Carl, > > > > A couple of thoughts. > > > > 1) Losing communications with the Y cable plugged into the KIO3B but not > > having BOTH DE-9 connectors attached to the P3 will result in no > > communications. The KIO3B senses the Y cable and routes the USB side > > communications to the P3 which then routes signals to the K3. > > > > 2) Be sure the cable is fully seated into the jack on the KIO3B. The > > plastic lock should "click" into place. You can verify this with a > gentle > > tug on the cable after it is inserted to verify it is fully seated. > > > > 3) Be sure the P3 is set to 38,400 bps on its serial ports. > > > > 4) If the cable is fully seated and the P3 is set to 38,400 bps and you > > still have the problem, I'd suspect the Y cable being defective. I don;t > > know if the schematics for the cable are on the website or supplied with > > the cable to assist you in troubleshooting the cable if you so desire, so > > it may require a call to support on Monday, or an email directly to them. > > > > 73, > > > > Lyle KK7P > > > > > > Maybe the combined wisdom of the group will be able to help before I send > >> this to Elecraft support. > >> > >> I installed the KIO3B upgrade in my K3. The USB interface from PC to K3 > >> works but only if you don't plug a cable in the RS232/P3 jack. The RS232 > >> connection to the P3 isn't happening... > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to clawsoncw at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 23:23:23 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:23:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At Dayton a couple years ago, you got an Elecraft hat with purchase of a K3.... This year at Dayton, they had the choice of a hat or t-shirt with purchase of certain gear, including the P3. So, I've spent about 4k for a hat and a t-shirt, but they came with a very nice radio and panadapter :) On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:02 PM Clay Autery wrote: > Wish I'd have gotten a shirt when I bought my hat at HAMCOM, Irving, TX. > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/16/2016 11:44 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? > > > > Can't find any on their website. > > > > 73 > > > > Jim ab3cv > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com > From n7xy at n7xy.net Sat Jul 16 23:55:09 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:55:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same issue. I used to tell people that some brains require more room. Bob, N7XY On 7/16/16 1:53 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I find the KHAT to be on the small side. I have a largish head (7 3/4), somewhat smaller smaller than Bruce Bochy. > > http://aroundthefoghorn.com/2014/05/20/just-big-bruce-bochys-head/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:58 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >>> Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? >>> >>> Can't find any on their website. >> The KHAT ($12) appears on the order page in three different places. >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm >> >> Not sure if there's anything else available for purchase from >> Elecraft, but there may be "aftermarket options" like: >> >> http://www.qsl.net/w9wis/sewdivine/Elecraft_Shirts.html >> >> 73, >> >> ~iain / N6ML >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From kc4atu at hotmail.com Sun Jul 17 00:05:25 2016 From: kc4atu at hotmail.com (William Rowlett) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With my size 8 it get hard to find anything close. Bill KC4ATU > On Jul 16, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > > I have the same issue. I used to tell people that some brains require more room. > > Bob, N7XY > > On 7/16/16 1:53 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> I find the KHAT to be on the small side. I have a largish head (7 3/4), somewhat smaller smaller than Bruce Bochy. >> >> http://aroundthefoghorn.com/2014/05/20/just-big-bruce-bochys-head/ >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:58 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >>>> Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? >>>> >>>> Can't find any on their website. >>> The KHAT ($12) appears on the order page in three different places. >>> >>> http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm >>> >>> Not sure if there's anything else available for purchase from >>> Elecraft, but there may be "aftermarket options" like: >>> >>> http://www.qsl.net/w9wis/sewdivine/Elecraft_Shirts.html >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ~iain / N6ML >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc4atu at hotmail.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Jul 17 00:09:19 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:09:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F8E6670-CED5-4DD0-9792-25824C6BAC54@widomaker.com> Hats are on the order page, near bottom of K3 section I think. I got my shirts by volunteering to tear down my station and setup at a local ham fest. Elecraft will probably pay for the booth/table, furnish table cloth(s) and banner. And they'll send you s nice polo shirt with logo and your call and name. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > > Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? > > Can't find any on their website. > > 73 > > Jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From rlindzen at mit.edu Sun Jul 17 00:58:38 2016 From: rlindzen at mit.edu (Dick Lindzen) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 04:58:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware update problem Message-ID: I had not updated the firmware on my K3 in a while, so I went to the Elecraft site, downloaded the new K3 utility, found the new firmware, and proceeded to download it to the K3. I have suddenly lost the 100 w amp in the K3, and I can no longer link the two vfo's. I'm not sure what else is screwed up. Can anyone help? 73, Dick WO1I K3 911. P.S. I did check the config and KPA3 is set to PA NOR. From rlindzen at mit.edu Sun Jul 17 01:18:31 2016 From: rlindzen at mit.edu (Dick Lindzen) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:18:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Did calibration Message-ID: The power issue was solved with a calibration. Any suggestions for the inability in link vfo's? 73, Dick, WO1I K3 911 From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 17 01:58:29 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:58:29 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Did calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003001d1dff0$3ee67210$bcb35630$@sbcglobal.net> With the firmware upgrade the VFO linking was moved from the sub receiver button to the config menu. Look in the firmware upgrade notes. There you will find the information you need to link the VFOs. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Lindzen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:19 AM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Did calibration The power issue was solved with a calibration. Any suggestions for the inability in link vfo's? 73, Dick, WO1I K3 911 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From rlindzen at mit.edu Sun Jul 17 02:15:15 2016 From: rlindzen at mit.edu (Dick Lindzen) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 06:15:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Did calibration In-Reply-To: <003001d1dff0$3ee67210$bcb35630$@sbcglobal.net> References: <003001d1dff0$3ee67210$bcb35630$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Mark E. Musick [mailto:markmusick at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:58 AM To: Dick Lindzen; 'Reflector Elecraft' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Did calibration With the firmware upgrade the VFO linking was moved from the sub receiver button to the config menu. Look in the firmware upgrade notes. There you will find the information you need to link the VFOs. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Lindzen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:19 AM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Did calibration The power issue was solved with a calibration. Any suggestions for the inability in link vfo's? 73, Dick, WO1I K3 911 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From kc7eqo at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 03:58:25 2016 From: kc7eqo at gmail.com (Matthew Lawson) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 Message-ID: Please help, went to update my K3 to the latest Firmware (was running 2.19) all updated fine until DSP1. 00:33:01 Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 K3 responded with revision ??.?? 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. 00:33:01 Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification failed 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. 00:33:01 Click "Close" to close this window More detailed verbose: LoadDspDataTableState Response "A" 0 ms ResetMcuState Send "LDD20000;" Waiting 6 seconds for reset to complete ResetMcuState Response "A" 15 ms ResetMcuState Timer Elapsed 5500 ms DetermineSpeedState Send ";" DetermineSpeedState Response ";" 15 ms QueryMainDspRevisionState Send "RVD;" QueryMainDspRevisionState Response "RVD00.00;" 16 ms Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 K3 responded with revision ??.?? DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification failed DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. Click "Close" to close this window Computer I am using has hardware RS232 ports, two of them, and I have tried either one with the same results. I am using the latest K3 Utility 1.16.6.25. My K3's serial number is 01341. Everything seems to load fine but fails the DSP1. I have tried reloading and re-downloading, rebooting, both computer and K3. I also looked into downgrading to an older firmware, but I can not find an older archive that goes back far enough to my working configuration, 2.19. I did try what was archived and got the same results. (ftp directory) Please help. I also searched the forums with no avail. most were USB adapter problems. 73 This has rendered my K3 useless. *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * From aslusher599 at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 07:33:01 2016 From: aslusher599 at gmail.com (Alan Slusher) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:33:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?QTk1NSA9IM67?= In-Reply-To: <005b01d1df83$e8efbb30$bacf3190$@erols.com> References: <005b01d1df83$e8efbb30$bacf3190$@erols.com> Message-ID: Good advice from Charlie, K3ICH. Check the following website: www.asciitable.com/index/extend.gif Scroll down to "Extended ASCII Codes" Hold the "ALT" key and type the three-digit number on the right-hand-side number pad on a standard keyboard (not the numbers across the top of the keyboard - I have not yet figured out how to access the number pad on the reduced-size laptop keyboard). Good idea to print the section. Very useful for tech- and language-writing in WORD. Cheers, Alan V31FA On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Instead of typing out "lambda", just hold down the "ALT" key and type 955 > = ? > > Same for : > Alt 171 = ? > Alt 172 = ? > Alt 0216 = ? > Alt 227 = ? > Alt 234 = ? > > There's lots more where those came from... > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hank > Garretson > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:38 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supplies > > Counterpoises are good. > > Also very helpful is to adjust total length of flattop and feedline to be > an odd multiple of Lambda/4 for the bands of interest. This keeps max RF > voltage peaks out of the shack. Not always convenient to do if you want > multiple bands. > > 73, > > Hank, W6SX > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aslusher599 at gmail.com From lee.buller at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 08:38:51 2016 From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:38:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my power would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would rise to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. Comments? Lee From Andy at rickham.net Sun Jul 17 08:51:25 2016 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:51:25 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?QTk1NSA9IM67?= In-Reply-To: References: <005b01d1df83$e8efbb30$bacf3190$@erols.com> Message-ID: <86E33BDD-C1FB-4728-ADC8-5402A9AC99DB@rickham.net> But much better advice from Knut. Wonderful if you're in the limited group of Word users under Windows. Not so useful for the much larger group of email users on every platform. Sorry if there are any typos, this is sent from my iPad Andy > On 17 Jul 2016, at 12:33, Alan Slusher wrote: > > Good advice from Charlie, K3ICH. > > Check the following website: > www.asciitable.com/index/extend.gif > > Scroll down to "Extended ASCII Codes" > > Hold the "ALT" key and type the three-digit number on the right-hand-side > number pad on a standard keyboard (not the numbers across the top of the > keyboard - I have not yet figured out how to access the number pad on the > reduced-size laptop keyboard). Good idea to print the section. Very > useful for tech- and language-writing in WORD. > > Cheers, > > Alan V31FA > >> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> >> Instead of typing out "lambda", just hold down the "ALT" key and type 955 >> = ? >> >> Same for : >> Alt 171 = ? >> Alt 172 = ? >> Alt 0216 = ? >> Alt 227 = ? >> Alt 234 = ? >> >> There's lots more where those came from... >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hank >> Garretson >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:38 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supplies >> >> Counterpoises are good. >> >> Also very helpful is to adjust total length of flattop and feedline to be >> an odd multiple of Lambda/4 for the bands of interest. This keeps max RF >> voltage peaks out of the shack. Not always convenient to do if you want >> multiple bands. >> >> 73, >> >> Hank, W6SX >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to aslusher599 at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to andy at rickham.net From w0agmike at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 08:58:26 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I noticed the same thing with my K3. I tried reconfiguring the sound setup (I'm using AFSK) thinking that I had screwed something up, but still did the same thing. Mike W0AG On Jul 17, 2016 7:39 AM, "Leroy Buller" wrote: > Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my power > would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would rise > to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. > Comments? > > Lee > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0agmike at gmail.com > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jul 17 09:12:55 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:12:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C84F1B5-E9EF-4171-AA24-8EE2A17A2461@yahoo.co.uk> Have you got enough audio level going in to drive the ALC meter up to 4.5 bars? 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 17 Jul 2016, at 13:38, Leroy Buller wrote: > > Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my power > would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would rise > to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. > Comments? > > Lee > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 09:15:39 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:15:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] "GT" Command In-Reply-To: <1468633463261-7620206.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <48A00E66-DAF5-40B6-83BB-84C72752ADBD@gmail.com> <1468633463261-7620206.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Bob, After experimenting with my macros, you are correct. The first command in my macro string is MD6; and AGC is off after that. Just issuing MD6; in the KX3 Utility turns off AGC. To turn it back on, I put GT004; into the next macro string which turns AGC-S on. Actually, just setting MD2; turns AGC back on either FAST or SLOW depending on the last known setting which means I can just take GT004; out of my second macro string. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 15, 2016, at 20:44, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > If I remember correctly, AGC is set to off automatically in data modes. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-GT-Command-tp7620201p7620206.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 17 09:19:51 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:19:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee (and others) It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a couple dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. If the problem is on voice or data, make sure you are driving the audio sufficiently. If you are not driving the K3 audio hard enough, power control will be "flaky". For Voice: With the compression set to zero, you should produce 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter. After adjusting the mic gain for that indication, increase the compression as you choose - normally I would suggest compression of less than 10dB. For RTTY, if you are using FSK D mode, the power control should be automatic, but if you are using AFSK A (or other soundcard data modes), then do check your audio drive - of course compression should be set to zero, but the audio drive should drive the ALC meter to 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. Note that the K3 controls power differently than other transceivers. Ignore the advice on the internet to show no ALC and adjust the power with the audio level. With the K3 (and K3S, KX3, KX2), the "ALC" meter is a combination "VU" meter and ALC meter. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the audio level. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar. So 4 bars solid and 5th bar flickering is the "no ALC" point for the K3. In data modes, adjust the power with the Power knob, not the audio level. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/17/2016 8:38 AM, Leroy Buller wrote: > Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my power > would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would rise > to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. > Comments? > > From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 09:41:49 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:41:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Follow-Up: Adafruit Mini Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> References: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I suspected this was indeed a 2.4 GHz keyboard. After contacting the seller, they confirmed it. Noting the lack of an INSERT key (thanks Joe, KF5WBO), I think I will go ahead and order it to pair with my PX3. Don, I appreciate the wired keyboard advice but I?m not sure that will lend itself well to how I want to lay out my operating position once it?s finished. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 11, 2016, at 05:38, Joel Black wrote: > > Wondering if anyone has tried this mini wireless keyboard with their PX3: > > https://www.adafruit.com/products/1737?gclid=Cj0KEQjwh428BRCnvcyI-5nqjY4BEiQAijebws3eF9yt7A1so9Xw44_K2fCnlGD2uOQ6gPBS8FtpPMoaAgfi8P8HAQ > > Yes, I know there is a list on Elecraft?s website, but it is not all inclusive and does not seem to include many ?mini? wireless keyboards. > > Thanks, > Joel - W4JBB From w0agmike at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 09:50:59 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don! I suspected as much, but a little disconcerting first time around. Mike - W0AG On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lee (and others) > > It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band > change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. > Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a couple > dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. > >> >> From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sun Jul 17 10:24:50 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:24:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don for the explanation of what is going on with the "ALC" meter. I have two suggestions relative to using my K3/100. The first is a suggestion I made by email some years ago, with no reply. When changing from "Spkr + Phones" to "Phones" ( that is, spkr off) I need differing audio levels due to the different efficiencies of the speakers and phones. So I crank up the gain on when using phones. So far so good. BUT; the monitor level remains constant, and changing that is a different process. I'm sure that for some, having the two audio levels independent is a good thing - for me, it wold be nice to link them. Could a menu option be constructed which would allow for linking monitor and receiver audio? My second problem is that when running CW or SSB, I like to use full power (100 W). On digital modes or FM, it seems prudent to limit the rig to 50 W. The power level is currently saved "per band" - cold it be saved "per mode" as well? This would save a lot of "oops" time. Or maybe these functions are already available and I just haven't found them! George, W3HBM. Bar Harbor, ME On 7/17/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lee (and others) > > It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band > change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. > Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a > couple dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. > > If the problem is on voice or data, make sure you are driving the > audio sufficiently. If you are not driving the K3 audio hard enough, > power control will be "flaky". > > For Voice: With the compression set to zero, you should produce 5 to 7 > bars on the ALC meter. After adjusting the mic gain for that > indication, increase the compression as you choose - normally I would > suggest compression of less than 10dB. > > For RTTY, if you are using FSK D mode, the power control should be > automatic, but if you are using AFSK A (or other soundcard data > modes), then do check your audio drive - of course compression should > be set to zero, but the audio drive should drive the ALC meter to 4 > bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. > > Note that the K3 controls power differently than other transceivers. > Ignore the advice on the internet to show no ALC and adjust the power > with the audio level. > With the K3 (and K3S, KX3, KX2), the "ALC" meter is a combination "VU" > meter and ALC meter. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the > audio level. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar. So 4 bars > solid and 5th bar flickering is the "no ALC" point for the K3. > In data modes, adjust the power with the Power knob, not the audio level. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/17/2016 8:38 AM, Leroy Buller wrote: >> Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my >> power >> would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would >> rise >> to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. >> Comments? >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From bob at hogbytes.com Sun Jul 17 10:38:26 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:38:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Follow-Up: Adafruit Mini Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <341A273F-ECCA-4F97-B8DA-4EB973983C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1468766306402-7620284.post@n2.nabble.com> The recently released firmware beta 1.45 now offers a second option for the insert function therefore the lack of an insert key is no longer an issue. Note: there is a minor bug in beta 1.45 which looks like it should be corrected this week. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Mini-Wireless-Keyboard-tp7619925p7620284.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Jul 17 11:55:31 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:55:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23D65982-8D77-4EDC-9ADA-06427FB1163C@widomaker.com> Do you have the last utility? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 17, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Matthew Lawson wrote: > > Please help, went to update my K3 to the latest Firmware (was running 2.19) > all updated fine until DSP1. > > 00:33:01 Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 > K3 responded with revision ??.?? > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > 00:33:01 Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification failed > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > 00:33:01 Click "Close" to close this window > > More detailed verbose: > > LoadDspDataTableState Response "A" 0 ms > ResetMcuState Send "LDD20000;" > Waiting 6 seconds for reset to complete > ResetMcuState Response "A" 15 ms > ResetMcuState Timer Elapsed 5500 ms > DetermineSpeedState Send ";" > DetermineSpeedState Response ";" 15 ms > QueryMainDspRevisionState Send "RVD;" > QueryMainDspRevisionState Response "RVD00.00;" 16 ms > Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 > K3 responded with revision ??.?? > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification failed > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > Click "Close" to close this window > > Computer I am using has hardware RS232 ports, two of them, and I have tried > either one with the same results. I am using the latest K3 Utility > 1.16.6.25. > My K3's serial number is 01341. > Everything seems to load fine but fails the DSP1. > > I have tried reloading and re-downloading, rebooting, both computer and K3. > > I also looked into downgrading to an older firmware, but I can not find an > older archive that goes back far enough to my working configuration, 2.19. > > I did try what was archived and got the same results. (ftp directory) > > Please help. I also searched the forums with no avail. most were USB > adapter problems. > > 73 > > > This has rendered my K3 useless. > > *Matthew Lawson* > *KC7EQO* > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > > > *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From reuben.popp at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 13:02:47 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:02:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I want to express my thanks to all who replied to my original question; my apologies in the slow response.. It's been a nutty two weeks and I wanted to take a bit of time to mull things over and do some more research. With that in mind... my head hurts . I've read reviews, looked at specs, and pretended I knew an ounce of what the Sherwood Engineering lab reports actually are indicating and/or mean and watched a few [nonstop] days worth of Youtube videos on various rigs. Needless to say, I'm in over my head a bit. I'm curious to see/hear what the breakdown on primary operating mode for most K3S users is: voice, cw, data, [like me, just] swl... mixed? How many use it strictly for contesting, and how many use it as their "daily driver"? The higher-end SDR is an option I suppose, but I already have too many receivers as it is. Two R-390A's, three SP-600 variants, two BC-348s and in the garage two R-1051-B sets. Yes, I might have neglected to mention before that when I first got into the hobby I was instantly drawn to the boatanchor camp (having been in the Navy myself some years ago). Needless to say, my K2/10 is the smallest, and most definitely, _lightest_ radio I own. This coming from the guy who moved most of these into storage in the past two weeks to make room for the baby boy arriving in nine weeks. Yes, my back is still recuperating, but my chiropractor? She loves me. ;). I *will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a penny on a receiver, I'm in for a pound and I might as well get a transceiver. I can never seem to make it out of the house early enough for the tests, most (if not all) of which are scheduled at some ungodly hour of the morning, usually long before even the birds start waking. Okay, maybe not that early, but it sure seems awfully close... Either way, that puts the kabosh (for a bit at least) on contesting, let alone ragchewing. The KX{2,3} is appealing as well, but as nice as they are, they don't offer me an upgrade path, or rather, it's limited, and there's no general coverage module; signal reception is (from what I understand) similar to the K2 in that regard. Portable, yes, and quite possibly lower down on the list, but not something I want or need immediately. I figured that I can get a K3S/10 with the K3 Panadapter, the general coverage module, the 2.8Khz filter, and the SVGA kit for the P3 for ~3400... the approximate cost (or a little under) for a used IC7700 or a FTDX5000. Argh, choices!! Thanks again to all and 73 Reuben On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! > > I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some > time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because > every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. > > I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement in > QST some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my > ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to listen > in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along > the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... that > is until now. > > In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents > and purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than what > the 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, > doubly so as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday > no less, hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little > in the way for adding on new features to the set short of via software > updates. There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. > > Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate > future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously > wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come > please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide > here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm willing > to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, so I > had best make it count. > > Thanks in advance to all and 73 > Reuben > From cautery at montac.com Sun Jul 17 13:14:58 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6755482d-25a9-b17b-a9c9-ddbbd17b254f@montac.com> Figure out your MAX budget for initial purchase... Are you comfortable with a no solder assembly? Buy a K3s and a P3... Using your budget as a guide, put everything you can in the K3s first (except the sub-receiver... that can wait) Just use the 2.7 5 pole stock filter for now... Add a 6kHz AM filter IF you get the General Coverage board so you can hear AM radio stations well. Stop adding things when the budget is topped... Bottom Line... just get the K3s/P3 and stop agonizing over it. You won't be sorry... LOVE my (growing) K-Line! ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/17/2016 12:02 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > I'm curious to see/hear what the breakdown on primary operating mode for > most K3S users is: voice, cw, data, [like me, just] swl... mixed? How > many use it strictly for contesting, and how many use it as their "daily > driver"? > > The KX{2,3} is appealing as well, but as nice as they are, they don't offer > me an upgrade path, or rather, it's limited, and there's no general > coverage module; signal reception is (from what I understand) similar to > the K2 in that regard. Portable, yes, and quite possibly lower down on the > list, but not something I want or need immediately. > > I figured that I can get a K3S/10 with the K3 Panadapter, the general > coverage module, the 2.8Khz filter, and the SVGA kit for the P3 for > ~3400... the approximate cost (or a little under) for a used IC7700 or a > FTDX5000. Argh, choices!! > From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 13:19:05 2016 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:19:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Got the gear, need the garb! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the leads. 73 jim ab3cv On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Where do I order Elecraft shirts and hats? > > Can't find any on their website. > > 73 > > Jim ab3cv > From kb2m at arrl.net Sun Jul 17 13:30:38 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:30:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K144XV for sale Message-ID: <003901d1e050$ef85e4b0$ce91ae10$@net> I have a little used K144XV 2m internal module for sale. It is working perfectly, I just never use it and as I have my K3 apart doing the K3s upgrades I decided it's a good time to offer it for sale. $275.00 shipped, insured US. I will also ship overseas, pre-paid, shipping actual additional cost. I will out of convience, also include the KREF3MDKT mod in the sale. 73 Jeff kb2m73 Jeff kb2m From kc7eqo at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 13:45:26 2016 From: kc7eqo at gmail.com (Matthew Lawson) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:45:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: <23D65982-8D77-4EDC-9ADA-06427FB1163C@widomaker.com> References: <23D65982-8D77-4EDC-9ADA-06427FB1163C@widomaker.com> Message-ID: I have the current one only (1.16.6.25). I don't have any older files. just what I have been able to download lately. *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Nr4c wrote: > Do you have the last utility? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Jul 17, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Matthew Lawson wrote: > > > > Please help, went to update my K3 to the latest Firmware (was running > 2.19) > > all updated fine until DSP1. > > > > 00:33:01 Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 > > K3 responded with revision ??.?? > > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > > 00:33:01 Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification failed > > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > > 00:33:01 Click "Close" to close this window > > > > More detailed verbose: > > > > LoadDspDataTableState Response "A" 0 ms > > ResetMcuState Send "LDD20000;" > > Waiting 6 seconds for reset to complete > > ResetMcuState Response "A" 15 ms > > ResetMcuState Timer Elapsed 5500 ms > > DetermineSpeedState Send ";" > > DetermineSpeedState Response ";" 15 ms > > QueryMainDspRevisionState Send "RVD;" > > QueryMainDspRevisionState Response "RVD00.00;" 16 ms > > Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 > > K3 responded with revision ??.?? > > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > > Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification failed > > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > > Click "Close" to close this window > > > > Computer I am using has hardware RS232 ports, two of them, and I have > tried > > either one with the same results. I am using the latest K3 Utility > > 1.16.6.25. > > My K3's serial number is 01341. > > Everything seems to load fine but fails the DSP1. > > > > I have tried reloading and re-downloading, rebooting, both computer and > K3. > > > > I also looked into downgrading to an older firmware, but I can not find > an > > older archive that goes back far enough to my working configuration, > 2.19. > > > > I did try what was archived and got the same results. (ftp directory) > > > > Please help. I also searched the forums with no avail. most were USB > > adapter problems. > > > > 73 > > > > > > This has rendered my K3 useless. > > > > *Matthew Lawson* > > *KC7EQO* > > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > > > > > > *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Sun Jul 17 13:57:52 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:57:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KP500 Display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a3d3396-6759-ddff-c4d6-195c7a9dab68@Bayland.net> My KPA started having a problem with it's display. The lettering sometimes displays abt. 1/2, sometime not at all, but the backlight always lights. Sometimes it's fine. What do I look for before taking it apart. Wouldn't surprise me if it's some connector problem. TIA 73 Dwight NS9I From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 17 13:58:00 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:58:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: > I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a > penny on a receiver, So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about radio, and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. 73, Jim K9YC From iann8ik at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 14:24:16 2016 From: iann8ik at gmail.com (Ian) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:24:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Consider getting a lesser radio first and using that for a while. Then you'll really appreciate what a step (leap) up the K3S is over other radios. 73, Ian N8IK On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: > >> I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a >> penny on a receiver, >> > > So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. > Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about radio, > and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to iann8ik at gmail.com > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Jul 17 14:33:00 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:33:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Hello, The sun has repopulated with a few large spots, some of them active. While the summer noise is still audible there are more signals than there have been for over a week. I'll check each net against the reverse beacon net to see where my signal lands. Lately I've been covering the East Coast much better than I have been covering the heartland; it seems everything was long. Maybe this week will be better. While the sun may be more active it is still cold and wet here. The dry season is late this year. Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From a45wg at sy-edm.com Sun Jul 17 14:34:11 2016 From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:34:11 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No !!! Bad sales pitch - How about spend $3k now - or spend $2k now and $3k (when you realised you made a mistake) later?.. see spending $3k now much much cheaper?.. 73, tim - A45WG > On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:24, Ian wrote: > > Consider getting a lesser radio first and using that for a while. Then > you'll really appreciate what a step (leap) up the K3S is over other radios. > > 73, Ian N8IK > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >> On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> >>> I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a >>> penny on a receiver, >>> >> >> So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. >> Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about radio, >> and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to iann8ik at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From cautery at montac.com Sun Jul 17 14:58:03 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:58:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <392b80cf-b4db-f2cc-8b67-9c3e7a51ce8a@montac.com> Roger that! Buy the best tool you can afford and never have to buy again is what my Dad taught me 40+ years ago.... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/17/2016 1:34 PM, a45wg wrote: > No !!! Bad sales pitch - How about spend $3k now - or spend $2k now and $3k (when you realised you made a mistake) later?.. see spending $3k now much much cheaper?.. > > 73, tim - A45WG > > >> On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:24, Ian wrote: >> >> Consider getting a lesser radio first and using that for a while. Then >> you'll really appreciate what a step (leap) up the K3S is over other radios. >> >> 73, Ian N8IK >> >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jim Brown >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: >>> >>>> I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a >>>> penny on a receiver, >>>> >>> So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. >>> Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about radio, >>> and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to iann8ik at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From ed at w0yk.com Sun Jul 17 15:16:29 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:16:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Usability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The K-Pod really enhanced my SO2V operation in the NAQP RTTY contest last night. While running on VFO-A, I used the K-Pod predominantly for VFO-B to tune the band, using the P3 as guidance, for finding other CQing stations to work. Overall, I felt I did a far better job (faster and more thorough) using the K-Pod instead of the normal VFO-B knob. (For SO2V, another configuration is to run on VFO-B so that S&P is done on VFO-A. While this has the advantage of a larger tuning knob, it still requires the hand to reach over the keyboard.) First, it was much easier to simultaneously tune VFO-B with the K-Pod next to my keyboard so that my hand could more easily move between it and the keyboard as needed. Of course, with my RTTY contest configuration, I seldom need both hands on the keyboard. Nearly all keyboard usage is simply tapping keys to which messages are mapped, so one hand is sufficient. (This also makes SO2R RTTY easier than CW and SSB where more touch typing is needed.) RTTY callsigns are grabbed automatically without typing them. I used to reach for the VFO-B knob on the K3 front panel which worked fine but is much more awkward and time consuming than using the K-Pod next to the keyboard. It is easier to fine tune with the K-Pod than the normal VFO-B knob, reaching over the keyboard with my hand suspended in mid-air. Second, the rocker switch beneath the K-Pod tuning knob is ergonomically excellent. When a station would call me offset from my VFO-A frequency, I simply used my thumb to temporarily define the K-Pod knob for RIT, zero-beat the calling station, then move the rocker switch back to VFO-B, all while my hand was still near the keyboard with minimal movement. Since my QSL message clears the RIT offset, I was ready for the next caller, hopefully closer to zero-beat. I also have one of the K-Pod buttons programmed to clear the offset when needed, so again not having to reach over the keyboard to press CLR on the K3 front panel. The K-Pod is capable of much, much more functionality, but it is first important that it perform basic functions like these in a significantly better way than the radio front panel. That's what I experienced! Ed W0YK From bob.novas at verizon.net Sun Jul 17 15:28:22 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:28:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: <392b80cf-b4db-f2cc-8b67-9c3e7a51ce8a@montac.com> References: <392b80cf-b4db-f2cc-8b67-9c3e7a51ce8a@montac.com> Message-ID: <06ee01d1e061$61f300e0$25d902a0$@verizon.net> meh. Buy the HF tool and if you use it and it breaks, buy the Snap-On variant. > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay > Autery > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:58 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S > > Roger that! Buy the best tool you can afford and never have to buy again is > what my Dad taught me 40+ years ago.... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/17/2016 1:34 PM, a45wg wrote: > > No !!! Bad sales pitch - How about spend $3k now - or spend $2k now and $3k > (when you realised you made a mistake) later?.. see spending $3k now much > much cheaper?.. > > > > 73, tim - A45WG > > > > > >> On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:24, Ian wrote: > >> > >> Consider getting a lesser radio first and using that for a while. > >> Then you'll really appreciate what a step (leap) up the K3S is over other > radios. > >> > >> 73, Ian N8IK > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jim Brown > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: > >>> > >>>> I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in > >>>> for a penny on a receiver, > >>>> > >>> So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. > >>> Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about > >>> radio, and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the > license. > >>> > >>> 73, Jim K9YC > >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >>> iann8ik at gmail.com > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >> a45wg at sy-edm.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 15:30:03 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:30:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: <392b80cf-b4db-f2cc-8b67-9c3e7a51ce8a@montac.com> References: <392b80cf-b4db-f2cc-8b67-9c3e7a51ce8a@montac.com> Message-ID: If I had a dollar for every time I dreamed beyond my present reach, I'd be rich now. Dreaming out loud on a ham reflector before license obtained is just a modern retread of an ancient pastime. For someone who has high end boat anchor RX in his house, a rig with an inferior RX will be readily apparent. If one can hear why an R390 is a great RX of the era, a low end Icom will not satisfy. For someone who can hear R390 tubes getting soupy, a Flex 6700, an Icom 7851 and a K3 do things right that CAN be heard if you know what to listen for. Flex 6700 $7499 Icom 7851 $13099 Field upgradeable basic K3S/10 kit $2099 Of course if $2k is six months of spare money, a little more dicey. But dreaming beyond your current reach ain't bad.... 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Roger that! Buy the best tool you can afford and never have to buy > again is what my Dad taught me 40+ years ago.... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/17/2016 1:34 PM, a45wg wrote: >> No !!! Bad sales pitch - How about spend $3k now - or spend $2k now and $3k (when you realised you made a mistake) later?.. see spending $3k now much much cheaper?.. >> >> 73, tim - A45WG >> >> >>> On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:24, Ian wrote: >>> >>> Consider getting a lesser radio first and using that for a while. Then >>> you'll really appreciate what a step (leap) up the K3S is over other radios. >>> >>> 73, Ian N8IK >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jim Brown >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: >>>> >>>>> I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a >>>>> penny on a receiver, >>>>> >>>> So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. >>>> Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about radio, >>>> and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. >>>> >>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to iann8ik at gmail.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From kb2m at arrl.net Sun Jul 17 15:40:06 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:40:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K144XV for sale In-Reply-To: <003901d1e050$ef85e4b0$ce91ae10$@net> References: <003901d1e050$ef85e4b0$ce91ae10$@net> Message-ID: <005d01d1e063$0711db90$153592b0$@net> I forgot to mention that it is the module for the 100 watt K3. I also have the FM/AM filter, KFL3B-FM available separately for $90 shipped, or included for $80... I have a little used K144XV 2m internal module for sale. It is working perfectly, I just never use it and as I have my K3 apart doing the K3s upgrades I decided it's a good time to offer it for sale. $275.00 shipped, insured US. I will also ship overseas, pre-paid, shipping actual additional cost. I will out of convience, also include the KREF3MDKT mod in the sale. 73 Jeff kb2m From lee.buller at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 16:04:11 2016 From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don... Thanks for the information. I will check that out. I was told a long time ago by that elusive "someone" to keep the K3 linear that the ALC meter should just flicker. Obviously, that was bogus advice. I will check this out yet today. Thanks Lee On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lee (and others) > > It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band > change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. > Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a couple > dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. > > If the problem is on voice or data, make sure you are driving the audio > sufficiently. If you are not driving the K3 audio hard enough, power > control will be "flaky". > > For Voice: With the compression set to zero, you should produce 5 to 7 > bars on the ALC meter. After adjusting the mic gain for that indication, > increase the compression as you choose - normally I would suggest > compression of less than 10dB. > > For RTTY, if you are using FSK D mode, the power control should be > automatic, but if you are using AFSK A (or other soundcard data modes), > then do check your audio drive - of course compression should be set to > zero, but the audio drive should drive the ALC meter to 4 bars solid with > the 5th bar flashing. > > Note that the K3 controls power differently than other transceivers. > Ignore the advice on the internet to show no ALC and adjust the power with > the audio level. > With the K3 (and K3S, KX3, KX2), the "ALC" meter is a combination "VU" > meter and ALC meter. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the audio > level. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar. So 4 bars solid and > 5th bar flickering is the "no ALC" point for the K3. > In data modes, adjust the power with the Power knob, not the audio level. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/17/2016 8:38 AM, Leroy Buller wrote: > >> Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my power >> would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would rise >> to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. >> Comments? >> >> >> > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Jul 17 16:19:31 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Topband: 160m arrival angles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56bd7a4c-6bf4-be30-00c1-47b73ee6b916@triconet.org> Considering the previous thread, "Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses", I thought this might be of interest. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Topband: 160m arrival angles Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:00:17 -0400 From: Carl Luetzelschwab To: topband at contesting.com BIll (AA7XT), There's some (but not much) measured data at HF of arriving elevation angles (for example, Wilkins et al, Epstein et al, Utlaut et al, Wilkins again et al, and Hallborg et al). But I've never seen any measurements at MF. The only paper that comes close (at least that I'm aware of) is by LaBelle. He measured arriving polarization from 50 KHz to 5 MHz. The only thing I can add are results of doing ray traces of the ordinary wave (the extraordinary wave is heavily attenuated on 1.8 MHz) with electron-neutral collisions and the magnetic field included. There appears to be three ranges of angles for propagation on 160-Meters at night. Low angles (roughly 0 to 15 degrees) give E hops. Medium angles (roughly 15 to 20 degrees) can give ducting. Higher angles (roughly above 20 degrees) give F hops. Whether ducting on 160-Meters occurs likely depends on the factors tied to the magnetic field. For a picture of these ray trace results, go to http://k9la.us. Click on the "160m" link on the left, and look at the "ray tracing on 160m" file at the top. As for E hops, it's tough for most of us to put lots of energy at very low elevation angles - but guys like VE1ZZ with take-offs over salt water may be able to take advantage of these very low angles. Carl K9LA _________________ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband From clift.andy at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 16:50:29 2016 From: clift.andy at gmail.com (Andy Clift) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:50:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Message-ID: <1F73EC9F-B058-4175-8AF7-B462D1D92878@gmail.com> First thanks for all the responses (especially those that managed to avoid the far more interesting topic of antennas and tried to answer my query ?). Apologies I realised my mistake as soon as i re-read my original - I did of course mean an end fed wire not EFHW! That's why I had to tune it. I'm pretty certain the problem doesn't lie with the antenna as it works fine with other equipment. I'll contact Elecraft direct to see if they can offer any advice. The settings on my KX2 all look ok. Yes it was the Gemsproducts panels I fitted. 73 https://www.facebook.com/Martyn-Smith-Bone-Marrow-and-Blood-Donors-997755013647641/ From n1al at sonic.net Sun Jul 17 17:16:58 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:16:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <392b80cf-b4db-f2cc-8b67-9c3e7a51ce8a@montac.com> Message-ID: <578BF5CA.6090800@sonic.net> On 07/17/2016 12:30 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > If one can hear why an R390 > is a great RX of the era, a low end Icom will not satisfy. For someone > who can hear R390 tubes getting soupy, a Flex 6700, an Icom 7851 and a > K3 do things right that CAN be heard if you know what to listen for. > > Flex 6700 $7499 > Icom 7851 $13099 > Field upgradeable basic K3S/10 kit $2099 Collins R390A $1500 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collins-Designed-R-390A-Made-by-Electronic-Assistance-Corporation-/252419777443?hash=item3ac56423a3:g:h9cAAOSwuhhXWhyB :=) Alan N1AL From k7jltextra at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 17:20:41 2016 From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:20:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Meter Antenna Message-ID: After getting several direct inquiries about adding 6 meters to a tribander I decided to post for everyone to see. The best link is to use DX Engineering (you don't have to be a ARRL member) and look for the QST article from September 2011 titled "Add 6 Meters to Your Triband Trap Yagi". I added only two elements, because I had all the parts in my junk box, so my measurements were a little different from the artical, but it worked great on my very old Mosley tribander. John K7JLT From dl1sdz at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 17:25:34 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:25:34 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3] [Kx2] Text decode threshold levels Message-ID: Hello, comparing these two rigs in the mode "text decode" I had the impression that the Kx3 did a better job. But this could be triggered by different settings. Is the software implementation of the thresholds 1-6 when adjusting in both rigs identical or do they differ? If they differ what would be comparable settings? 73 de Hajo dl1sdz --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From reuben.popp at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 17:32:19 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <392b80cf-b4db-f2cc-8b67-9c3e7a51ce8a@montac.com> <578BF5CA.6090800@sonic.net> Message-ID: These days and times, yes... back when I bought the first one it was $300 from Fair Radio. I paid more for the CY-979A cabinets, the CV-591A SSB converter and the accompanying LS-206U. That said, it took a fair chunk o'change to get the radio back into shape. Spare modules in good working condition are not cheap and not getting any cheaper the longer one waits. Anyway, the point was when I started down that path I was in the process of building my K2/10.. I wouldn't get rid of either to fund the purchase of the other, at least, not at this point. On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > On 07/17/2016 12:30 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > If one can hear why an R390 >> is a great RX of the era, a low end Icom will not satisfy. For someone >> who can hear R390 tubes getting soupy, a Flex 6700, an Icom 7851 and a >> K3 do things right that CAN be heard if you know what to listen for. >> >> Flex 6700 $7499 >> Icom 7851 $13099 >> Field upgradeable basic K3S/10 kit $2099 >> > > Collins R390A $1500 > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collins-Designed-R-390A-Made-by-Electronic-Assistance-Corporation-/252419777443?hash=item3ac56423a3:g:h9cAAOSwuhhXWhyB > > :=) > > Alan N1AL > > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 17 17:40:17 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:40:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401d1e073$cfa3bb90$6eeb32b0$@biz> Lee - that is true with many radios. The K3/K3S was designed so that ALC action starts at 8 bars. More info is in the K3S Owner's manual under "Mic Gain and Compression Settings" on page 30. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Leroy Buller Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:04 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity Don... Thanks for the information. I will check that out. I was told a long time ago by that elusive "someone" to keep the K3 linear that the ALC meter should just flicker. Obviously, that was bogus advice. I will check this out yet today. Thanks Lee On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lee (and others) > > It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band > change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. > Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a > couple dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. > > If the problem is on voice or data, make sure you are driving the > audio sufficiently. If you are not driving the K3 audio hard enough, > power control will be "flaky". > > For Voice: With the compression set to zero, you should produce 5 to 7 > bars on the ALC meter. After adjusting the mic gain for that > indication, increase the compression as you choose - normally I would > suggest compression of less than 10dB. > > For RTTY, if you are using FSK D mode, the power control should be > automatic, but if you are using AFSK A (or other soundcard data > modes), then do check your audio drive - of course compression should > be set to zero, but the audio drive should drive the ALC meter to 4 > bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. > > Note that the K3 controls power differently than other transceivers. > Ignore the advice on the internet to show no ALC and adjust the power > with the audio level. > With the K3 (and K3S, KX3, KX2), the "ALC" meter is a combination "VU" > meter and ALC meter. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the > audio level. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar. So 4 bars > solid and 5th bar flickering is the "no ALC" point for the K3. > In data modes, adjust the power with the Power knob, not the audio level. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/17/2016 8:38 AM, Leroy Buller wrote: > >> Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my power >> would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would rise >> to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. >> Comments? >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Jul 17 18:07:04 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:07:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S Message-ID: I agree 100% with Jim (below). Take all the energy you?re putting into this decision and devote it to getting your ticket. There?ll be plenty left over for shopping. I am not even sure a K3S is the best rig for SWLing. It very well might be for operating as a licensed ham. Join the club. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:58:00 -0700 From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: > I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a > penny on a receiver, So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about radio, and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. 73, Jim K9YC From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Jul 17 19:11:48 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:11:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9BAAF040-3279-42CC-96BF-7561C57EB6B7@widomaker.com> Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Get the radio you want and learn to make it work for you. Buying a $2K radio and then buying $4-5K radio just adds $2K to the price and wastes maybe 2 years in the process. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Ian wrote: > > Consider getting a lesser radio first and using that for a while. Then > you'll really appreciate what a step (leap) up the K3S is over other radios. > > 73, Ian N8IK > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >>> On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: >>> >>> I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a >>> penny on a receiver, >>> >> >> So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. >> Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about radio, >> and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to iann8ik at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Jul 17 19:23:48 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:23:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3] [Kx2] Text decode threshold levels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My experience with Elecraft text decode is: ? turn on cwt ? tune station carefully, SPOT is your friend here ? set threshold to 2 or 3 and be sure that the bar is flashing in step with the code, adjust threshold until it does. ? if can get above set threshold one higher and reduce RF Gain Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > > Hello, > > comparing these two rigs in the mode "text decode" I had the > impression that the Kx3 did a better job. But this could be triggered > by different settings. > > Is the software implementation of the thresholds 1-6 when adjusting in > both rigs identical or do they differ? > > If they differ what would be comparable settings? > > 73 de > Hajo dl1sdz > > --- > Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Jul 17 19:44:49 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:44:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8871c137-a9b4-5c31-849d-6239dcc2bbbf@socal.rr.com> Reuben, Since you say you have the K2, I'd get your license before adding any new rig and use the K2 to start out. Even without the amp you can run 10 Watts or so and get your feet wet. After you've operated for a while you'll have a better idea of what you want. OTOH, if you plan to operate SSB 100% of the time (I tend to forget CW is no longer required!), then perhaps you should start with a 100 W rig; 10 Watts on SSB might be a bit discouraging on 20 meters particularly with our current band conditions. If you are willing to start with 10 Watts on SSB, then you might be well advised to add the SSB module to your K2 (assuming it has none now) and get your feet wet with the rig you already own vs. buying the 10W K3s immediately. I consider the K3s/100 to be your best choice if money is no issue. Great rig and great support, both from Elecraft and the user base here. But you should start with it minimally configured (e.g., don't add a bunch of roofing filters -- but do add the ATU because you have a G5RV and will need a good tuner). Below you say "In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents and purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too.". While the IC-7300 has some shortcomings it's a good radio that you could probably be satisfied with for years. So that might be a very good option for you as you first get into ham radio. Whatever you decide, give highest priority to getting your license, Reuben. Then you can start having fun :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 7/3/16 2:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! > > I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some > time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because > every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that itch. > > I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement in QST > some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my > ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to listen > in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along > the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... that > is until now. > > In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all intents and > purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than what the > 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, doubly so > as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, > hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in the way > for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. > There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. > > Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate > future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously > wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come > please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide > here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm willing > to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, so I > had best make it count. > > Thanks in advance to all and 73 > Reuben From tony.lyon at austin.rr.com Sun Jul 17 19:50:45 2016 From: tony.lyon at austin.rr.com (Tony Lyon) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:50:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks for all the feedback regarding Winlink & K3. Message-ID: <1df84eae-83c4-955e-b2a1-b792901f68ba@austin.rr.com> Folks, I appreciate all the feedback that I have received. I am now able to link up to Winlink stations reliably with my K3 and my SCS DR-7400. 73, Tony L. (KJ5XF) From cautery at montac.com Sun Jul 17 19:51:51 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:51:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: <8871c137-a9b4-5c31-849d-6239dcc2bbbf@socal.rr.com> References: <8871c137-a9b4-5c31-849d-6239dcc2bbbf@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1cf6cab9-976c-92c0-5d72-74d850f91aa9@montac.com> Listen to Phil, Reuben... wise man; good advice. Seriously, get your license... you're missing so much without it... Just ain't that hard... Study up for all three and take them all in one day... Had I NOT been in the middle of a gall bladder attack on test day, I would have passed all three at once instead of having to go back for Extra... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/17/2016 6:44 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Reuben, > > Since you say you have the K2, I'd get your license before adding any > new rig and use the K2 to start out. Even without the amp you can run > 10 Watts or so and get your feet wet. > > After you've operated for a while you'll have a better idea of what > you want. > > OTOH, if you plan to operate SSB 100% of the time (I tend to forget CW > is no longer required!), then perhaps you should start with a 100 W > rig; 10 Watts on SSB might be a bit discouraging on 20 meters > particularly with our current band conditions. > > If you are willing to start with 10 Watts on SSB, then you might be > well advised to add the SSB module to your K2 (assuming it has none > now) and get your feet wet with the rig you already own vs. buying the > 10W K3s immediately. > > I consider the K3s/100 to be your best choice if money is no issue. > Great rig and great support, both from Elecraft and the user base > here. But you should start with it minimally configured (e.g., don't > add a bunch of roofing filters -- but do add the ATU because you have > a G5RV and will need a good tuner). > > Below you say "In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which > for all intents and purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too.". While > the IC-7300 has some shortcomings it's a good radio that you could > probably be satisfied with for years. So that might be a very good > option for you as you first get into ham radio. > > Whatever you decide, give highest priority to getting your license, > Reuben. Then you can start having fun :-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 7/3/16 2:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! >> >> I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some >> time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because >> every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that >> itch. >> >> I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement >> in QST >> some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my >> ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to >> listen >> in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along >> the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... >> that >> is until now. >> >> In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all >> intents and >> purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than >> what the >> 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, >> doubly so >> as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, >> hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in >> the way >> for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. >> There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. >> >> Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate >> future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously >> wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come >> please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide >> here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm >> willing >> to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, >> so I >> had best make it count. >> >> Thanks in advance to all and 73 >> Reuben > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 20:28:47 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:28:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Rose's KX2 cases and covers Message-ID: Thanks to Matt and Madelyn at Elecraft, Rose has now received the metal work and other parts to assemble an (empty) KX2 case to use as a manikin for making KX2 cases and covers. Not much, other than size, changes. 73! Ken - K0PP ElecraftCovers at gmail.com Rose: 406-560-3738 From reuben.popp at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 20:36:12 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:36:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: <1cf6cab9-976c-92c0-5d72-74d850f91aa9@montac.com> References: <8871c137-a9b4-5c31-849d-6239dcc2bbbf@socal.rr.com> <1cf6cab9-976c-92c0-5d72-74d850f91aa9@montac.com> Message-ID: I hear ya... I was in the middle of studying for the general last. The tech is.. well, too easy (IMO), so I was going to sit for both tech and general IF I can actually make it up to St. Louis before sunrise, or if I can schmooze a few of the local VEs to do a one-off. As to my K2, I thought about it, but even with the MAB board, the K2 isn't exactly cut out for data modes.. at least, not very easily. Unless I'm completely missing something here. AM BC bands are so-so in that you get what's adjacent. Not knocking my K2.. I _still_ love it, both for what it is and the fact that it was one of the more fun projects I did while working on my undergrad in CSc. I built it with the audio filter module, the SSB module, and the 160M module. I did not purchase either antenna tuner as it's my understanding that a tuner only really helps in TX, not RX. And to be frank, all the above was bought using my federal tax return from my glorious year as a student worker ;). The only other module I've thought of adding is the serial port, if only to dig into the code some and see if I could write some bits for further integration on a linux/BSD system. Right now, I'm looking at a budget of ~3500. In my line of work, OT doesn't come around much, but when it does, forty hours is a nice treat for dad, although the XYL has laid claim to the next OT project's funds. On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Listen to Phil, Reuben... wise man; good advice. > > Seriously, get your license... you're missing so much without it... > Just ain't that hard... Study up for all three and take them all in one > day... > > Had I NOT been in the middle of a gall bladder attack on test day, I > would have passed all three at once instead of having to go back for > Extra... > > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/17/2016 6:44 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Reuben, > > > > Since you say you have the K2, I'd get your license before adding any > > new rig and use the K2 to start out. Even without the amp you can run > > 10 Watts or so and get your feet wet. > > > > After you've operated for a while you'll have a better idea of what > > you want. > > > > OTOH, if you plan to operate SSB 100% of the time (I tend to forget CW > > is no longer required!), then perhaps you should start with a 100 W > > rig; 10 Watts on SSB might be a bit discouraging on 20 meters > > particularly with our current band conditions. > > > > If you are willing to start with 10 Watts on SSB, then you might be > > well advised to add the SSB module to your K2 (assuming it has none > > now) and get your feet wet with the rig you already own vs. buying the > > 10W K3s immediately. > > > > I consider the K3s/100 to be your best choice if money is no issue. > > Great rig and great support, both from Elecraft and the user base > > here. But you should start with it minimally configured (e.g., don't > > add a bunch of roofing filters -- but do add the ATU because you have > > a G5RV and will need a good tuner). > > > > Below you say "In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which > > for all intents and purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too.". While > > the IC-7300 has some shortcomings it's a good radio that you could > > probably be satisfied with for years. So that might be a very good > > option for you as you first get into ham radio. > > > > Whatever you decide, give highest priority to getting your license, > > Reuben. Then you can start having fun :-) > > > > 73, Phil W7OX > > > > On 7/3/16 2:44 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > >> Hey everyone, happy early 4th to you and yours! > >> > >> I'm looking for a bit on input here. I've had my K2 now for quite some > >> time now; built it myself and love it still to this day. But, because > >> every guy and gal needs a new radio every now and then, I've got that > >> itch. > >> > >> I've had my eye on a K3 probably since I first saw the advertisement > >> in QST > >> some years back. I'm not a contester.. heck, I *still* don't have my > >> ticket, so my main use is SWL and running up and down the bands to > >> listen > >> in on some of the nets. My antenna is just a half size G5RV slung along > >> the apex of my roof.... but I've wanted to get my hands on the K3... > >> that > >> is until now. > >> > >> In the past week I found out about the Icom 7300, which for all > >> intents and > >> purposes is one heck of a nifty radio too. And at $500 less than > >> what the > >> 10W K3S. That's a nice chunk of cheddar in these days and times, > >> doubly so > >> as Popp #2 will be arriving here come September (on my birthday no less, > >> hah). The downsides are (at least to me) is that there's little in > >> the way > >> for adding on new features to the set short of via software updates. > >> There's no second antenna option, etc, etc. > >> > >> Granted, I'm not looking at getting either one anytime in the immediate > >> future. Or, if I miraculously get one somehow, something is seriously > >> wrong, and someone has replaced my XYL with the Stepford model... come > >> please make sure I'm okay, lol. But in all seriousness, help me decide > >> here. Which is the better bang for the buck in the long run? I'm > >> willing > >> to bet that this will be the last rig I get for quite some time yet, > >> so I > >> had best make it count. > >> > >> Thanks in advance to all and 73 > >> Reuben > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to reuben.popp at gmail.com > From pincon at erols.com Sun Jul 17 20:49:00 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:49:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007a01d1e08e$2f6bb220$8e431660$@erols.com> Whoa, there are plenty good "pre-owned" radios out there for WAY under $2k. An old Swan 350 should run about $150 - $200. Sure, there's not much in the way of Bells & whistles, but the guy on the other end won't know you're not running a rig that costs more than a good used car! Same for a TS-520/530 or TS-820/830, and others in the under $500 range. If you look at it strictly from a $ & ? aspect, buying a 10 to 15 year old radio can probably be sold a year later for what you paid for it. If you want to go a tad newer, TS-480's are going for under $700. Some good possibilities are: TS-570, TS-450, IC-746, IC-756, FT-1000MP, TS-590, and many others. The point is, you won?t throw away a starter radio resulting in a 100% loss. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of a45wg Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:34 PM To: Ian Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S No !!! Bad sales pitch - How about spend $3k now - or spend $2k now and $3k (when you realised you made a mistake) later?.. see spending $3k now much much cheaper?.. 73, tim - A45WG > On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:24, Ian wrote: > > Consider getting a lesser radio first and using that for a while. > Then you'll really appreciate what a step (leap) up the K3S is over other radios. > > 73, Ian N8IK > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >> On Sun,7/17/2016 10:02 AM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> >>> I*will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for >>> a penny on a receiver, >>> >> >> So work on that FIRST. At this point, the cart is well before the horse. >> Hopefully, while studying for your license, you'll learn more about >> radio, and be able to make a more informed decision. AND you'll have the license. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> iann8ik at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > a45wg at sy-edm.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From w2lj at verizon.net Sun Jul 17 20:53:10 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:53:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC July Sprint this Wednesday Evening Message-ID: The July sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (July 20th, EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Thursday, July 21st, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases. For all the "official" information, please go to: http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201607.html There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important information. Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the GAIN antenna category. Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website. This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards. If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts. If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+ members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life. Come join us and have a real good time! 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 for NAQCC http://naqcc.info/ From w0agmike at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 20:54:31 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Usability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been looking at the K-Pod, but since I already have a PigKnob I decided to wait a bit and see how things shake out. While it worked out OK in the NAQP this weekend, I can see where Ed has used the K-Pod in areas that the Pig won't mimic and would be very helpful. Also, I haven't been able to find any reference as yet, but does the K-Pod also work with the K3/0 mini in remote operations? 73, Mike - W0AG On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Ed Muns wrote: > The K-Pod really enhanced my SO2V operation in the NAQP RTTY contest last > night. While running on VFO-A, I used the K-Pod predominantly for VFO-B to > tune the band, using the P3 as guidance, for finding other CQing stations > to > work. Overall, I felt I did a far better job (faster and more thorough) > using the K-Pod instead of the normal VFO-B knob. > > > > > From kk1w.jim at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 21:03:14 2016 From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:03:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K144XV for sale In-Reply-To: <005d01d1e063$0711db90$153592b0$@net> References: <003901d1e050$ef85e4b0$ce91ae10$@net> <005d01d1e063$0711db90$153592b0$@net> Message-ID: <1468803794313-7620319.post@n2.nabble.com> Jeff, If the KFL3B-FM is still available I'd like to purchase it. Please let me know and if it's available how you would like payment. 73... Jim/KK1W -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-K144XV-for-sale-tp7620289p7620319.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n7xy at n7xy.net Sun Jul 17 21:04:33 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Running at reduced power for RTTY is probably a good idea. My TS-570 died in the middle of a RTTY contact at 100 W. and as bad as that was, I'd hate to think of it happening to a K3! Bob, N7XY On 7/17/16 7:24 AM, George Kidder wrote: > Thanks Don for the explanation of what is going on with the "ALC" meter. > > I have two suggestions relative to using my K3/100. The first is a > suggestion I made by email some years ago, with no reply. When > changing from "Spkr + Phones" to "Phones" ( that is, spkr off) I need > differing audio levels due to the different efficiencies of the > speakers and phones. So I crank up the gain on when using phones. So > far so good. BUT; the monitor level remains constant, and changing > that is a different process. I'm sure that for some, having the two > audio levels independent is a good thing - for me, it wold be nice to > link them. Could a menu option be constructed which would allow for > linking monitor and receiver audio? > > My second problem is that when running CW or SSB, I like to use full > power (100 W). On digital modes or FM, it seems prudent to limit the > rig to 50 W. The power level is currently saved "per band" - cold it > be saved "per mode" as well? This would save a lot of "oops" time. > > Or maybe these functions are already available and I just haven't > found them! > > George, W3HBM. Bar Harbor, ME > > > On 7/17/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Lee (and others) >> >> It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band >> change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. >> Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a >> couple dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. >> >> If the problem is on voice or data, make sure you are driving the >> audio sufficiently. If you are not driving the K3 audio hard enough, >> power control will be "flaky". >> >> For Voice: With the compression set to zero, you should produce 5 to >> 7 bars on the ALC meter. After adjusting the mic gain for that >> indication, increase the compression as you choose - normally I would >> suggest compression of less than 10dB. >> >> For RTTY, if you are using FSK D mode, the power control should be >> automatic, but if you are using AFSK A (or other soundcard data >> modes), then do check your audio drive - of course compression should >> be set to zero, but the audio drive should drive the ALC meter to 4 >> bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. >> >> Note that the K3 controls power differently than other transceivers. >> Ignore the advice on the internet to show no ALC and adjust the power >> with the audio level. >> With the K3 (and K3S, KX3, KX2), the "ALC" meter is a combination >> "VU" meter and ALC meter. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you >> adjust the audio level. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th >> bar. So 4 bars solid and 5th bar flickering is the "no ALC" point >> for the K3. >> In data modes, adjust the power with the Power knob, not the audio >> level. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/17/2016 8:38 AM, Leroy Buller wrote: >>> Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my >>> power >>> would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would >>> rise >>> to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are >>> matched. >>> Comments? >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From acdmeagher at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 21:28:01 2016 From: acdmeagher at gmail.com (Chris Meagher) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:28:01 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit Message-ID: Hi When the can arrives, I plan to deoxit front panel connections on an early K3 which has tinned connectors. This is to try to fix erratic VFO behaviour while tuning. Any hints on how to do this effectively? thanks Chris VK2ACD From reuben.popp at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 21:32:59 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:32:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Chris, On my older hollowstate stuff, I usually spray a quantity into a small cup and then use a q-tip to apply deoxit to areas in a controlled manner. That might not make as big a difference on newer equipment, but I was always told it was a good idea around phenolic tube sockets. GL and 73 Reuben On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Chris Meagher wrote: > Hi > When the can arrives, I plan to deoxit front panel connections on an early > K3 > which has tinned connectors. > This is to try to fix erratic VFO behaviour while tuning. > Any hints on how to do this effectively? thanks > > Chris > VK2ACD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to reuben.popp at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 17 21:35:42 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reuben, Since you do not yet have a license, and you *do* have a K2/10, you already have one of the best receivers on the market. Of course, the K3S and the KX3 are a bit better, but the improvement is marginal. Use the K2 and concentrate on getting your license. Once you have your license coming, examine your ham radio budget and your aspirations. If you can build thru-hole gear, adding the KPA100 to your base K2 will get you a 100 watt transceiver at the lowest cost. It will be a contest grade 100 watt class transceiver. Yes, the Sherwood ratings of the K3/K3S and KX3 surpass the K2, but not by much. OTOH, if you are into SWLing as well as ham radio, the K2 only has good response at frequencies close to the ham bands. The K3S with the KBPF3A option is a better choice for SWLing. That is the technical side of things, your K2 is great for ham band reception, and the K3S with KBPF3 is great for receive outside the ham bands. BUT - concentrate on getting your general (or extra) license before you consider an upgrade to your already very good Elecraft K2. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/17/2016 1:02 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > The higher-end SDR is an option I suppose, but I already have too many > receivers as it is. Two R-390A's, three SP-600 variants, two BC-348s and > in the garage two R-1051-B sets. Yes, I might have neglected to mention > before that when I first got into the hobby I was instantly drawn to the > boatanchor camp (having been in the Navy myself some years ago). Needless > to say, my K2/10 is the smallest, and most definitely, _lightest_ radio I > own. This coming from the guy who moved most of these into storage in the > past two weeks to make room for the baby boy arriving in nine weeks. Yes, > my back is still recuperating, but my chiropractor? She loves me. ;). > > I *will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a > penny on a receiver, I'm in for a pound and I might as well get a > transceiver. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 17 21:41:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:41:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Get the gold pin connectors from Elecraft and install them. That is a better solution than DeOxit on the tin-plated connectors. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/17/2016 9:28 PM, Chris Meagher wrote: > Hi > When the can arrives, I plan to deoxit front panel connections on an early > K3 > which has tinned connectors. > This is to try to fix erratic VFO behaviour while tuning. > Any hints on how to do this effectively? thanks > > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 17 22:24:22 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:24:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d1e09b$7fa668e0$7ef33aa0$@biz> I use the canned stuff on noisy potentiometers where I give them a shot through one of the openings. On any contacts, I have a 2 oz bottle with a needle applicator that puts exactly what I want where I want it. Servicing ancient radars and other shipboard gear with relays and many connectors, that tiny 2 oz bottle has lasted me more than a decade! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Reuben Popp Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 6:33 PM To: Chris Meagher; Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit Hey Chris, On my older hollowstate stuff, I usually spray a quantity into a small cup and then use a q-tip to apply deoxit to areas in a controlled manner. That might not make as big a difference on newer equipment, but I was always told it was a good idea around phenolic tube sockets. GL and 73 Reuben On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Chris Meagher wrote: > Hi > When the can arrives, I plan to deoxit front panel connections on an > early > K3 > which has tinned connectors. > This is to try to fix erratic VFO behaviour while tuning. > Any hints on how to do this effectively? thanks > > Chris > VK2ACD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > reuben.popp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From reuben.popp at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 22:26:09 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:26:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting, but the KDSP2 appears to have disappeared on the order page. Did that part become discontinued for one reason or another? On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Reuben, > > Since you do not yet have a license, and you *do* have a K2/10, you > already have one of the best receivers on the market. Of course, the K3S > and the KX3 are a bit better, but the improvement is marginal. > > Use the K2 and concentrate on getting your license. > Once you have your license coming, examine your ham radio budget and your > aspirations. > If you can build thru-hole gear, adding the KPA100 to your base K2 will > get you a 100 watt transceiver at the lowest cost. It will be a contest > grade 100 watt class transceiver. > > Yes, the Sherwood ratings of the K3/K3S and KX3 surpass the K2, but not by > much. > > OTOH, if you are into SWLing as well as ham radio, the K2 only has good > response at frequencies close to the ham bands. The K3S with the KBPF3A > option is a better choice for SWLing. > > That is the technical side of things, your K2 is great for ham band > reception, and the K3S with KBPF3 is great for receive outside the ham > bands. > > BUT - concentrate on getting your general (or extra) license before you > consider an upgrade to your already very good Elecraft K2. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 7/17/2016 1:02 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > >> The higher-end SDR is an option I suppose, but I already have too many >> receivers as it is. Two R-390A's, three SP-600 variants, two BC-348s and >> in the garage two R-1051-B sets. Yes, I might have neglected to mention >> before that when I first got into the hobby I was instantly drawn to the >> boatanchor camp (having been in the Navy myself some years ago). Needless >> to say, my K2/10 is the smallest, and most definitely, _lightest_ radio I >> own. This coming from the guy who moved most of these into storage in the >> past two weeks to make room for the baby boy arriving in nine weeks. Yes, >> my back is still recuperating, but my chiropractor? She loves me. ;). >> >> I *will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a >> penny on a receiver, I'm in for a pound and I might as well get a >> transceiver. >> > > From byron at n6nul.org Sun Jul 17 22:54:03 2016 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:54:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there! A few thoughts my experience, in case they help. I am a relatively recent ham, having been first licensed in 2008. At that time, I bought a lot of appliances: FT-450, remote auto tuners, ARRL stealth antenna books. It wasn't too long before I realized that I was not achieving my own personal goals in ham radio: learning about radio electronics. And HF really wasn't working well for me, which is no surprise given my HOA QTH and want of understanding. So, I sold my appliances and bought a K1 kit and learned CW. Building that kit was great, and I still really enjoy using that radio. You adjust the VFO frequncy by picking at the windings of an inductor! How much fun is that! So much fun. I have since learned a lot more about radio and electronics, built a K2 with all the features, and have been through several iterations of antennas. I discovered contesting, which added a new goal. And, I even presented my failures at Pacificon a couple of years ago. So many failures! But it was a fun presentation to give. Right now, I have a used K3 at Elecraft being upgraded and I think I am ready for it. But, hey, that's me. Your situation will be different. My point is that you need to figure out what you want to do. Just be prepared for potential failure and a change in direction! Phil gives solid advice, and I recommend considering it. Oh, and definitely get a license first. 73, Byron N6NUL On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > Interesting, but the KDSP2 appears to have disappeared on the order page. > Did that part become discontinued for one reason or another? > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Reuben, >> >> Since you do not yet have a license, and you *do* have a K2/10, you >> already have one of the best receivers on the market. Of course, the K3S >> and the KX3 are a bit better, but the improvement is marginal. >> >> Use the K2 and concentrate on getting your license. >> Once you have your license coming, examine your ham radio budget and your >> aspirations. >> If you can build thru-hole gear, adding the KPA100 to your base K2 will >> get you a 100 watt transceiver at the lowest cost. It will be a contest >> grade 100 watt class transceiver. >> >> Yes, the Sherwood ratings of the K3/K3S and KX3 surpass the K2, but not by >> much. >> >> OTOH, if you are into SWLing as well as ham radio, the K2 only has good >> response at frequencies close to the ham bands. The K3S with the KBPF3A >> option is a better choice for SWLing. >> >> That is the technical side of things, your K2 is great for ham band >> reception, and the K3S with KBPF3 is great for receive outside the ham >> bands. >> >> BUT - concentrate on getting your general (or extra) license before you >> consider an upgrade to your already very good Elecraft K2. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 7/17/2016 1:02 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> >>> The higher-end SDR is an option I suppose, but I already have too many >>> receivers as it is. Two R-390A's, three SP-600 variants, two BC-348s and >>> in the garage two R-1051-B sets. Yes, I might have neglected to mention >>> before that when I first got into the hobby I was instantly drawn to the >>> boatanchor camp (having been in the Navy myself some years ago). Needless >>> to say, my K2/10 is the smallest, and most definitely, _lightest_ radio I >>> own. This coming from the guy who moved most of these into storage in the >>> past two weeks to make room for the baby boy arriving in nine weeks. Yes, >>> my back is still recuperating, but my chiropractor? She loves me. ;). >>> >>> I *will* get my ticket, it's just a matter of when, so if I'm in for a >>> penny on a receiver, I'm in for a pound and I might as well get a >>> transceiver. >>> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to byron at n6nul.org -- - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 18 00:02:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:02:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f31bdb7-5369-9b2a-1057-6654d0e3709e@embarqmail.com> Reuben, I cannot find it on the webpage either, but I do not know why. You might try phoning the sales office instead of ordering on-line. The KDSP2 is an enhancement to the K2 - the basic K2 is just fine for general use even without the KDSP2. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/17/2016 10:26 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > Interesting, but the KDSP2 appears to have disappeared on the order > page. Did that part become discontinued for one reason or another? > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Jul 18 00:20:04 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:20:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe you have the KAF2, the audio filter. Likely it will do well enough for you -- and it cannot be used with the KDPS2, it's one or the other. It discontinued, may be due to some part obsolescence. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/17/16 7:26 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > Interesting, but the KDSP2 appears to have disappeared on the order page. > Did that part become discontinued for one reason or another? From w8ken at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 00:33:33 2016 From: w8ken at yahoo.com (Ken Kontor) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:33:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PTT with DEMI Transverters Message-ID: <2cf671e9-9477-e3fb-ef69-abd62651e10a@yahoo.com> Gentlemen, I am looking for a circuit that one of you K3 users may have designed to automatically switch the K3 PTT line between multible external transverters as the K3 is switched from band to band. I presently use the K3 PTT line to key my 6m amp driven with 30 w from my K3. I recently purchased a DEMI 2m HP transverter to drive my 2m 3CX800 amp. The DEMI puts out 50 w with 1 mw of drive from the K3. The problem I have is when I key the DEMI Transverter from Pin 10 on the K3 15 Pin accessory socket, the K3 PTT out on the back of the K3 also Keys my 6m Amp even though the K3 is set to 2m. I need a circuit that will decode the BCD output from the K3 15 Pin connector to key the 6m Amp when I am on 6m and automatically switch the PTT line to the DEMI Transverter when I am on 2m. A manual switch would be very inconvenient for VHF contesting as one need to quickly QSY between bands with one station for multiple points. Also in the future I might add a 432 Transverter and would like to auto switch the PTT for it also. I would only require three outputs as I would only switch between 6m, 2m and 70 cm. I am a Mechanical Engineer with limited Electrical knowledge. I did build a K2 and can breadboard stuff from a schematic and parts list, but I am not a circuit designer and have no knowledge of digital logic stuff other than I know it exists. I am in need of a designed and tested circuit that is know to work reliably. Given the circuit diagram and a parts list I could then reproduce it. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide. 73, Ken - W8KEN PS: you may contact me off line at w8ken at yahoo.com From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 00:37:17 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:37:17 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was thinking of a K3S, although I have a KX3, I am quite surprised as to how well it performs, the radio is simply amazing, and I am only allowed 10W since I am on the foundation license. Thinking rather than the 100W amp spend the money on a K3S/10 and slowly upgrade. Regards On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I believe you have the KAF2, the audio filter. Likely it will do well > enough for you -- and it cannot be used with the KDPS2, it's one or the > other. > > It discontinued, may be due to some part obsolescence. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 7/17/16 7:26 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > >> Interesting, but the KDSP2 appears to have disappeared on the order page. >> Did that part become discontinued for one reason or another? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com > From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 01:00:02 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:00:02 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Cancelling K3S In-Reply-To: <1468374720.5244.269.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1468374720.5244.269.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Nobody here have noise problems? I've spoke to a few VK Hams here they all say they have 9db of noise on 40M I get power line noise as I am near Kilo Volt power lines and it causes a lot of noise. I know the K3S has the diversity transceiver and if its a DSP feature it could be added to the K3S. Regards On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Wed, 2016-07-13 at 09:53 +1000, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I am just wondering since the rise of amount of noise sources, why > > couldn't elecraft come up with an integrated solution for this, either > > on the K3 like or perhaps add a unit external to the KX3. > > > > I have often wondered the same thing... > > -- > > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > For software/hardware reviews see: > http://www.nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com From n1al at sonic.net Mon Jul 18 03:05:14 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:05:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system Message-ID: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed on my roof. There was an article by K1KP in April 2016 QST about the hoops he had to jump through to reduce the noise level from his system low enough that he could operate the HF bands. My system should be less troublesome than his since it would not have power optimizers (basically switching power supplies) on each solar panel. The panels have no electronics in them. So I think all I need to worry about is the noise from the inverter (the device that converts DC from the panels to 240 VAC to connect to the electric company). The inverter already includes an AC line filter, so hopefully that should reduce differential-mode noise into the power line. So I think I'm talking about common-mode chokes on both sides of the inverter - the side that connects to the electric utility and the side that connects to the panels up on the roof. Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - they just want to do a standard installation like they have done thousands of times before. However, I see in their plans that they connect to the meter main breaker box with 3/4-inch EMT (electrometallic tubing) and also use 3/4 EMT for the solar panel connections. You can buy snap-on ferrite chokes, FairRite P/N 0431177081, which have a 1-inch ID, so it should be possible to simply snap them on over the EMT. These chokes are basically the same as the ones used in the article (type 31, 2" OD, 1" ID, 1.5" L) except that they are snap-on types. My question is, how many chokes do I need? K1KP used 30 (!) in series on the power-line side of his inverter. That seems excessive. The FairRite data sheet says the impedance is about 80 ohms at 2 MHz, rising to 240 ohms at 30 MHz. I'm thinking a half-dozen or so of these on each side would be reasonable. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Alan N1AL From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 18 03:29:35 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:29:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> Message-ID: Alan, There are TWO major noise sources in solar systems -- the charge regulator, which switches square waves, and the inverters. If the solar vendor "will not work with you," run like hell in the other direction. This is my advice for ANY kind of purchase that involves a known engineering problem. System wiring is also a VERY big part of the engineering problem. Study my tutorial, k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and follow the guidelines for RG8 coax chokes for chokes that you add to circuits carrying DC circuits with noise on them. Snap-on ferrite cores are USELESS at HF unless you wind enough turns through them to place the parallel resonance where the noise is. Also study http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf and see my comments on the QST article. One of the most useful points in the QST article is the use of steel conduit for ALL of the wiring AND the use of twisted pair for the circuits carrying noisy DC and AC. This cannot be emphasized enough. I can't comment on the number of chokes used nor their design, because i don't know enough about engineering details of the system. One of the criticisms of the piece is the specific recommendations for chokes. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,7/18/2016 12:05 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed > on my roof. There was an article by K1KP in April 2016 QST about the > hoops he had to jump through to reduce the noise level from his system > low enough that he could operate the HF bands. > > My system should be less troublesome than his since it would not have > power optimizers (basically switching power supplies) on each solar > panel. The panels have no electronics in them. So I think all I need > to worry about is the noise from the inverter (the device that > converts DC from the panels to 240 VAC to connect to the electric > company). > > The inverter already includes an AC line filter, so hopefully that > should reduce differential-mode noise into the power line. So I think > I'm talking about common-mode chokes on both sides of the inverter - > the side that connects to the electric utility and the side that > connects to the panels up on the roof. > > Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - they just > want to do a standard installation like they have done thousands of > times before. However, I see in their plans that they connect to the > meter main breaker box with 3/4-inch EMT (electrometallic tubing) and > also use 3/4 EMT for the solar panel connections. You can buy snap-on > ferrite chokes, FairRite P/N 0431177081, which have a 1-inch ID, so it > should be possible to simply snap them on over the EMT. These chokes > are basically the same as the ones used in the article (type 31, 2" > OD, 1" ID, 1.5" L) except that they are snap-on types. > > My question is, how many chokes do I need? K1KP used 30 (!) in series > on the power-line side of his inverter. That seems excessive. The > FairRite data sheet says the impedance is about 80 ohms at 2 MHz, > rising to 240 ohms at 30 MHz. I'm thinking a half-dozen or so of > these on each side would be reasonable. Does anyone have any > experience with this kind of thing? > > Alan N1AL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From glen.torr at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 03:35:50 2016 From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:35:50 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [FS] K3 VK, another price reduction Message-ID: Hi All, For sale, K SN 2680. Includes:- General Coverge RX 700, 2.8K, 6.0 and 15K 8 pole filters. 100 Watt ATU Upgraded DSP Board SS screws K144XV internal 2 meter module. HM2 Hi Stab. LO Original owner, non smoker, little operating time. Built by professional electronics technical officer. AUD $2000 negotiable. At this price demo and shipping are purchasers responsibility prefer VK 1,2 or 3 but not a show stopper elsewhere. KX2 and KXPA 1000 are now favourites. Cheers Glen Torr, VK1FB From glen.torr at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 04:16:15 2016 From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:16:15 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [FS][KX3] [VK] Message-ID: Hi All. due to KX2 and KXPA100 this dear little gem is for sale:- KX3 SN 2000 kit. HM3 mic. Dual roofing filter KXAT3 Antenna tuner KXBC3 clock/ battery charger. 2 meter transverter XG50 sig. gen KX3 PCK IT cable set Gem Products ens pieces and lexan cover. New = US 1820 price AuD 1200, you ship and inspect. Cheers, Glen VK1FB From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 18 08:54:20 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> I would not be interested in working with Solar City. http://watchdog.org/191409/congress-probes-solarcity/ On 7/18/2016 12:05 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed on my roof. > Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 18 08:59:40 2016 From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:59:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> Message-ID: <518109952.762249.1468846753714.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alan I have information on the SOLAR install as I have done this and have a big noise issue that I am combating still. ?I think this email will just go to you please confirm and I will provide more information. Scott AK6Q On Monday, July 18, 2016 12:06 AM, Alan Bloom [via Elecraft] wrote: I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed on my roof. ?There was an article by K1KP in April 2016 QST about the hoops he had to jump through to reduce the noise level from his system low enough that he could operate the HF bands. My system should be less troublesome than his since it would not have power optimizers (basically switching power supplies) on each solar panel. ?The panels have no electronics in them. ?So I think all I need to worry about is the noise from the inverter (the device that converts DC from the panels to 240 VAC to connect to the electric company). The inverter already includes an AC line filter, so hopefully that should reduce differential-mode noise into the power line. ?So I think I'm talking about common-mode chokes on both sides of the inverter - the side that connects to the electric utility and the side that connects to the panels up on the roof. Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - they just want to do a standard installation like they have done thousands of times before. ?However, I see in their plans that they connect to the meter main breaker box with 3/4-inch EMT (electrometallic tubing) and also use 3/4 EMT for the solar panel connections. ?You can buy snap-on ferrite chokes, FairRite P/N 0431177081, which have a 1-inch ID, so it should be possible to simply snap them on over the EMT. ?These chokes are basically the same as the ones used in the article (type 31, 2" OD, 1" ID, 1.5" L) except that they are snap-on types. My question is, how many chokes do I need? ?K1KP used 30 (!) in series on the power-line side of his inverter. ?That seems excessive. ?The FairRite data sheet says the impedance is about 80 ohms at 2 MHz, rising to 240 ohms at 30 MHz. ?I'm thinking a half-dozen or so of these on each side would be reasonable. ?Does anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? 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From cautery at montac.com Mon Jul 18 09:50:00 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's a cool little knob on the K3s that allows you to turn the power DOWN to 10 W. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/17/2016 11:37 PM, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > Was thinking of a K3S, although I have a KX3, I am quite surprised as to > how well it performs, the radio is simply amazing, and I am only allowed > 10W since I am on the foundation license. > > Thinking rather than the 100W amp spend the money on a K3S/10 and slowly > upgrade. > > Regards > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> I believe you have the KAF2, the audio filter. Likely it will do well >> enough for you -- and it cannot be used with the KDPS2, it's one or the >> other. >> >> It discontinued, may be due to some part obsolescence. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> On 7/17/16 7:26 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: >> >>> Interesting, but the KDSP2 appears to have disappeared on the order page. >>> Did that part become discontinued for one reason or another? >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From cautery at montac.com Mon Jul 18 09:56:43 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:56:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> Message-ID: <70930a4d-f29a-255e-64d9-633d6cc9e565@montac.com> My local solar companies look at me like I'm an alien when I try to explain to them what I want.... They have ZERO actual knowledge... they are building from a standard recipe... I'm going to build my own... Do NOT discount the AC conversion at the panel approach... it has MANY advantages, and probably the quietest system you can build IF you do it right. Jim, K9YC wrote a response to that article with some good info... That article was basically what one guy did to band-aid a flawed design and poorly chosen parts by a willing but uninformed vendor. Follow the guidance in Jim's many papers and design the system yourself... Put it in yourself, and find a Master Electrician to sign-off on your work and do the cross-connection to the grid. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Jul 18 10:46:44 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PTT with DEMI Transverters In-Reply-To: <2cf671e9-9477-e3fb-ef69-abd62651e10a@yahoo.com> References: <2cf671e9-9477-e3fb-ef69-abd62651e10a@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ken I too use a DEMI xvtr and used the following circuit to exploit the K3's capability to set a logic bit on the ACC connector based on band Ken At 09:33 PM 7/17/2016, Ken Kontor via Elecraft wrote: >Gentlemen, > >I am looking for a circuit that one of you K3 users may have >designed to automatically switch the K3 PTT line between multible >external transverters as the K3 is switched from band to band. > >I presently use the K3 PTT line to key my 6m amp driven with 30 w from my K3. > >I recently purchased a DEMI 2m HP transverter to drive my 2m 3CX800 >amp. The DEMI puts out 50 w with 1 mw of drive from the K3. The >problem I have is when I key the DEMI Transverter from Pin 10 on the >K3 15 Pin accessory socket, the K3 PTT out on the back of the K3 >also Keys my 6m Amp even though the K3 is set to 2m. I need a >circuit that will decode the BCD output from the K3 15 Pin connector >to key the 6m Amp when I am on 6m and automatically switch the PTT >line to the DEMI Transverter when I am on 2m. A manual switch would >be very inconvenient for VHF contesting as one need to quickly QSY >between bands with one station for multiple points. Also in the >future I might add a 432 Transverter and would like to auto >switch the PTT for it also. I would only require three outputs as I >would only switch between 6m, 2m and 70 cm. > >I am a Mechanical Engineer with limited Electrical knowledge. I did >build a K2 and can breadboard stuff from a schematic and parts >list, but I am not a circuit designer and have no knowledge of >digital logic stuff other than I know it exists. I am in need of a >designed and tested circuit that is know to work reliably. Given the >circuit diagram and a parts list I could then reproduce it. > >Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for any >information you can provide. > >73, Ken - W8KEN > > >PS: you may contact me off line at w8ken at yahoo.com > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com -------------- next part -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Jul 18 11:01:39 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PTT with DEMI Transverters In-Reply-To: <20160718144757.7CD98149B7AD@mailman.qth.net> References: <2cf671e9-9477-e3fb-ef69-abd62651e10a@yahoo.com> <20160718144757.7CD98149B7AD@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Guess I can't attach a pic so here's a URL to it http://www.ah6le.net/k3_key.jpg Ken At 07:46 AM 7/18/2016, Ken Arck wrote: >Hi Ken > >I too use a DEMI xvtr and used the following circuit to exploit the >K3's capability to set a logic bit on the ACC connector based on band > >Ken > > > > >At 09:33 PM 7/17/2016, Ken Kontor via Elecraft wrote: >>Gentlemen, >> >>I am looking for a circuit that one of you K3 users may have >>designed to automatically switch the K3 PTT line between multible >>external transverters as the K3 is switched from band to band. >> >>I presently use the K3 PTT line to key my 6m amp driven with 30 w from my K3. >> >>I recently purchased a DEMI 2m HP transverter to drive my 2m 3CX800 >>amp. The DEMI puts out 50 w with 1 mw of drive from the K3. The >>problem I have is when I key the DEMI Transverter from Pin 10 on >>the K3 15 Pin accessory socket, the K3 PTT out on the back of the >>K3 also Keys my 6m Amp even though the K3 is set to 2m. I need a >>circuit that will decode the BCD output from the K3 15 Pin >>connector to key the 6m Amp when I am on 6m and automatically >>switch the PTT line to the DEMI Transverter when I am on 2m. A >>manual switch would be very inconvenient for VHF contesting as one >>need to quickly QSY between bands with one station for multiple >>points. Also in the future I might add a 432 Transverter and would >>like to auto switch the PTT for it also. I would only require >>three outputs as I would only switch between 6m, 2m and 70 cm. >> >>I am a Mechanical Engineer with limited Electrical knowledge. I did >>build a K2 and can breadboard stuff from a schematic and parts >>list, but I am not a circuit designer and have no knowledge of >>digital logic stuff other than I know it exists. I am in need of a >>designed and tested circuit that is know to work reliably. Given >>the circuit diagram and a parts list I could then reproduce it. >> >>Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for any >>information you can provide. >> >>73, Ken - W8KEN >> >> >>PS: you may contact me off line at w8ken at yahoo.com >> >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >President and CTO - Arcom Communications >Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. >http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ >Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and >we offer complete repeater packages! >AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 >http://www.irlp.net >"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From hhoyt at mebtel.net Mon Jul 18 12:05:06 2016 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:05:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system Message-ID: <62669a64-e12d-c957-c1e9-a5df71e94d5b@mebtel.net> Alan, I've worked with a large local PV installer to solve RFI problems, and I can vouch for the fact that it can be difficult to de-noise PV interters. the MPPT circuit is not analog and can turn the DC input lines into hash antennas, and as you stated, the inverter itself can put RFI on the 120/240 interconnect. When I was in the market for PV equipment, I took a small battery operated emergency radio and visited several sites as well as showrooms of local vendors where they had demo systems. The quietest PV install I found used the SMA 3000US inverter. I just looked on-line, and the closest I could find to this model is now called the 3000TL (transformerless) so I cannot vouch for it's RFI characteristics. I installed it using a combination of EMT and BX wiring to shield the input and output wiring, with twisted conductors in the conduit, adb BX having inherently twisted conductors. I see zero increase in my noise level due to the PV system from my 160M OCF which goes right over the house, so I can definitely recommend that model SMA. They are not the cheapest inverters, but as a student of switching supply design, I know the least RFI-generating topologies are not the cheapest, and good transverse and common-mode filtering is not cheap to implement at the power levels a PV system can operate. Contact me if you need any other info. Howie - WA4PSC From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 18 12:08:36 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity References: Message-ID: <005001d1e10e$a3fd1900$ebf74b00$@biz> An e-mail exchange with the engineers this morning clarified the ALC question. Let me correct my statement: ALC to an external amplifier starts at 8 bars. ALC internal to the K3/K3S starts at 5 bars. 5 to 7 bars indicates internal ALC active; a combination of AF leveling bu the DSP and drive reduction by the MCU. So, for fully linear (DATA A) operation stay below 5 bars as Don said (5th bar barely flashing). For normal voice operation 5 to 7 bars is typical. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz] Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: 'Leroy Buller'; 'donwilh at embarqmail.com' Cc: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity Lee - that is true with many radios. The K3/K3S was designed so that ALC action starts at 8 bars. More info is in the K3S Owner's manual under "Mic Gain and Compression Settings" on page 30. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Leroy Buller Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:04 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity Don... Thanks for the information. I will check that out. I was told a long time ago by that elusive "someone" to keep the K3 linear that the ALC meter should just flicker. Obviously, that was bogus advice. I will check this out yet today. Thanks Lee On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lee (and others) > > It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band > change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. > Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a > couple dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. > > If the problem is on voice or data, make sure you are driving the > audio sufficiently. If you are not driving the K3 audio hard enough, > power control will be "flaky". > > For Voice: With the compression set to zero, you should produce 5 to 7 > bars on the ALC meter. After adjusting the mic gain for that > indication, increase the compression as you choose - normally I would > suggest compression of less than 10dB. > > For RTTY, if you are using FSK D mode, the power control should be > automatic, but if you are using AFSK A (or other soundcard data > modes), then do check your audio drive - of course compression should > be set to zero, but the audio drive should drive the ALC meter to 4 > bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. > > Note that the K3 controls power differently than other transceivers. > Ignore the advice on the internet to show no ALC and adjust the power > with the audio level. > With the K3 (and K3S, KX3, KX2), the "ALC" meter is a combination "VU" > meter and ALC meter. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the > audio level. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar. So 4 bars > solid and 5th bar flickering is the "no ALC" point for the K3. > In data modes, adjust the power with the Power knob, not the audio level. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/17/2016 8:38 AM, Leroy Buller wrote: > >> Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my power >> would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would rise >> to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. >> Comments? >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Jul 18 12:23:18 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:23:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S Message-ID: <201607181623.u6IGNJs0023499@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I would guess my experience is pretty much typical for most hams (with variance in details): I started out building three tube regen receiver when I was 13 years old. Cost me $19.95 in 1957 (took six months saving to accumulate that much). I didn't have a solder iron so my Dad bought me a Wen solder gun for $5 for my 14th birthday. I became a Novice in Nov. 58. Could not pass 13wpm so upgraded to Tech. in 1959 and got a HQ100 a year later. next was a Clegg Interceptor-B, then I built a SB110. Oh a Sixer in between that. Grad college and moved to CA in 68 and bought a IC-211 and Argonaut-505 in 1976. Moved to AK in 1979 and bought a TS-180S. Tentec-50, FT-840, FT-847 ... and finally in 2010 I upgraded to my K3/10. That's quite a progression in receivers from three tube to K3 (only took 52 years). But if you have the means get the best you can afford (now). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From lee.buller at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 12:57:10 2016 From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:57:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity In-Reply-To: <005001d1e10e$a3fd1900$ebf74b00$@biz> References: <005001d1e10e$a3fd1900$ebf74b00$@biz> Message-ID: Thanks for all the information. Yesterday, I did some research with levels and Don was spot on. I no longer have the issue when I drive the audio to the 4th tick with the 5th flashing. Full power out with no ramp up. Thanks all for setting me straight. Lee. K0WA . On Jul 18, 2016 11:08 AM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" wrote: > An e-mail exchange with the engineers this morning clarified the ALC > question. Let me correct my statement: > > ALC to an external amplifier starts at 8 bars. > > ALC internal to the K3/K3S starts at 5 bars. 5 to 7 bars indicates internal > ALC active; a combination of AF leveling bu the DSP and drive reduction by > the MCU. > > So, for fully linear (DATA A) operation stay below 5 bars as Don said (5th > bar barely flashing). For normal voice operation 5 to 7 bars is typical. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz] > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:40 PM > To: 'Leroy Buller'; 'donwilh at embarqmail.com' > Cc: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity > > Lee - that is true with many radios. The K3/K3S was designed so that ALC > action starts at 8 bars. More info is in the K3S Owner's manual under "Mic > Gain and Compression Settings" on page 30. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Leroy > Buller > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:04 PM > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power oddity > > Don... > > Thanks for the information. I will check that out. I was told a long time > ago by that elusive "someone" to keep the K3 linear that the ALC meter > should just flicker. Obviously, that was bogus advice. I will check this > out yet today. > > Thanks > > Lee > > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > > Lee (and others) > > > > It is normal for the power control circuits to be reset after a band > > change. That prevents overshoot if you are driving an amplifier. > > Normally the power will come up to the requested power level in a > > couple dot times on CW, or several syllables when operating voice. > > > > If the problem is on voice or data, make sure you are driving the > > audio sufficiently. If you are not driving the K3 audio hard enough, > > power control will be "flaky". > > > > For Voice: With the compression set to zero, you should produce 5 to 7 > > bars on the ALC meter. After adjusting the mic gain for that > > indication, increase the compression as you choose - normally I would > > suggest compression of less than 10dB. > > > > For RTTY, if you are using FSK D mode, the power control should be > > automatic, but if you are using AFSK A (or other soundcard data > > modes), then do check your audio drive - of course compression should > > be set to zero, but the audio drive should drive the ALC meter to 4 > > bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. > > > > Note that the K3 controls power differently than other transceivers. > > Ignore the advice on the internet to show no ALC and adjust the power > > with the audio level. > > With the K3 (and K3S, KX3, KX2), the "ALC" meter is a combination "VU" > > meter and ALC meter. The 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the > > audio level. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar. So 4 bars > > solid and 5th bar flickering is the "no ALC" point for the K3. > > In data modes, adjust the power with the Power knob, not the audio level. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 7/17/2016 8:38 AM, Leroy Buller wrote: > > > >> Operated RTTY NAQP this weekend. When changing bands, I noticed my > power > >> would drop to 40 watts or so. After several transmissions, it would > rise > >> to 100 watts. I don't think this is normal. All antennas are matched. > >> Comments? > >> > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz > > From n1al at sonic.net Mon Jul 18 13:22:38 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> Message-ID: <578D105E.3010608@sonic.net> Thanks for the pointer. I was already aware that their "0% down" lease arrangement is not a very good deal, so I am looking at buying the system outright. I figure it should save about $1000/year in electricity bills and they are quoting me $17.5 k for the system. That's a 5.7% return on investment, or 8.3% ROI after the federal tax credit. http://energy.gov/savings/residential-renewable-energy-tax-credit Alan N1AL On 07/18/2016 05:54 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I would not be interested in working with Solar City. > > http://watchdog.org/191409/congress-probes-solarcity/ > > On 7/18/2016 12:05 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: >> I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed >> on my roof. > >> Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Jul 18 13:53:45 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:53:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <000001d1e09b$7fa668e0$7ef33aa0$@biz> References: <000001d1e09b$7fa668e0$7ef33aa0$@biz> Message-ID: I think they also make a product for potentiometers called 'Fader lube' or something similar. Dick, n0ce On 7/17/2016 9:24 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I use the canned stuff on noisy potentiometers where I give them a shot > through one of the openings. > > On any contacts, I have a 2 oz bottle with a needle applicator that puts > exactly what I want where I want it. > > Servicing ancient radars and other shipboard gear with relays and many > connectors, that tiny 2 oz bottle has lasted me more than a decade! > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Reuben > Popp > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 6:33 PM > To: Chris Meagher; Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit > > Hey Chris, > > On my older hollowstate stuff, I usually spray a quantity into a small cup > and then use a q-tip to apply deoxit to areas in a controlled manner. That > might not make as big a difference on newer equipment, but I was always told > it was a good idea around phenolic tube sockets. > > GL and 73 > Reuben > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Chris Meagher wrote: > >> Hi >> When the can arrives, I plan to deoxit front panel connections on an >> early >> K3 >> which has tinned connectors. >> This is to try to fix erratic VFO behaviour while tuning. >> Any hints on how to do this effectively? thanks >> >> Chris >> VK2ACD >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> reuben.popp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com -- In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come. (From Franklin Delano Rosevelt's inaugural address 3/4/33) From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Jul 18 13:54:24 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:54:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <000001d1e09b$7fa668e0$7ef33aa0$@biz> References: <000001d1e09b$7fa668e0$7ef33aa0$@biz> Message-ID: I think they also make a product for potentiometers called 'Fader lube' or something similar. Dick, n0ce On 7/17/2016 9:24 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I use the canned stuff on noisy potentiometers where I give them a shot > through one of the openings. > > On any contacts, I have a 2 oz bottle with a needle applicator that puts > exactly what I want where I want it. > > Servicing ancient radars and other shipboard gear with relays and many > connectors, that tiny 2 oz bottle has lasted me more than a decade! > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 18 14:21:18 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:21:18 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 FOR THE K2 HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED Message-ID: <008401d1e121$2e4020a0$8ac061e0$@sbcglobal.net> I sent an e-mail to sales about this after someone on the reflector pointed out the KDSP2 was no longer on the order page. Margaret replied that indeed it has been discontinued due to the unavailability of parts. She also said that she would inform the website maintenance folks to add a note back on the order page that it has been discontinued. Mark Musick, WB9CIF From reuben.popp at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 14:29:21 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 FOR THE K2 HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED In-Reply-To: <008401d1e121$2e4020a0$8ac061e0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <008401d1e121$2e4020a0$8ac061e0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hey Mark, Thanks for that; it was me who noticed that. Well, crap. I do have the audio filter module, but I was hoping to get the DSP module to replace it. So much for that idea. Thanks again and 73 Reuben On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > I sent an e-mail to sales about this after someone on the reflector pointed > out the KDSP2 was no longer on the order page. > > Margaret replied that indeed it has been discontinued due to the > unavailability of parts. > > She also said that she would inform the website maintenance folks to add a > note back on the order page that it has been discontinued. > > > > Mark Musick, WB9CIF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to reuben.popp at gmail.com > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 14:54:15 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: References: <000001d1e09b$7fa668e0$7ef33aa0$@biz> Message-ID: <7032F59B-1972-4C1D-8D86-15B336A288E2@gmail.com> They do. And it?s better because it?s also a lube. I typically give pots a bit of of Deoxit, followed by the Fader Lube. It?s roughly the same as wearing a belt AND suspenders :-) Grant NQ5T > On Jul 18, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > I think they also make a product for potentiometers called 'Fader lube' or something similar. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/17/2016 9:24 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> I use the canned stuff on noisy potentiometers where I give them a shot >> through one of the openings. >> >> On any contacts, I have a 2 oz bottle with a needle applicator that puts >> exactly what I want where I want it. >> >> Servicing ancient radars and other shipboard gear with relays and many >> connectors, that tiny 2 oz bottle has lasted me more than a decade! >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> From ve2ebk at hotmail.com Mon Jul 18 14:55:58 2016 From: ve2ebk at hotmail.com (VE2EBK) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:55:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit Message-ID: Hi Chris I cleaned the connector and I put few drops of Stabilant 22A and the problem seems resolved. My friend VE2OLM have a PCB design and assembly shop. He need sometime to rework some boards and he need use that stuff to correct the problem. Also use by NATO http://stabilant.com/appnt01.php GL Dany VE2EBK From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 15:21:40 2016 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> Message-ID: <707730279.1229874.1468869700137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I installed solar panels on my roof last year, and have had no problems with noise from them.? On the subject of Solar City, I will agee with Wes to stay away from that company. ? ?Initially, I contacted Solar City for a bid, and have to say I was extremely disappointed with them. ?First, they send out a young chick with a sales pitch to beat the band, and to "evaluate" an installation. ?She came up with a plan of 31 panels, at a cost that I felt was on the high side (to say the least) and a 20 year loan with a higher interest rate than I expected!!! She submitted her findings to the company, and several days later a 'technician" arrived to check out the roof and verify what the chick told me they could do. ?I went up on the roof with him, and he told me I wasn't suppose to be up there with him!!! ?Told him it was my damn roof, and if I wanted to be up there, that was my prerogative. ?He relented, but told me to stay out of the pictures he was going to take (fair enough - I'm not that photogenic anyway). ? ?First thing he told me was a section of the roof where I wanted 3 panels was too steep for their employees to work on (scratch three panels). ?When he was finished, he told me he would submit his plan to the engineering dept for their final approval. The next thing I got was a call from the sales chick who came out the first time; sad news, scratch the 11 panels on the garage because (get this), ?their "ace professional engineer" (must have graduated last in his class at Podunk Univ) said the roof on the garage would not hold the weight of the solar panels because ?the additional weight of the Glen Martin Engineering 8 Foot ?RT-832 roof mounted tower weighing a whopping 32 POUNDS, the Yaesu G-5400 AZ- EL rotor (20 Pounds), the M2 2MCP14 (6 Pounds, M2 436CP30 (5 Pounds), and the weight of a 5 ft aluminum mast and 10 ft fiberglass cross boom (weight - at most 15 Pounds - probably less). ? So, he was telling me the additional 80 POUNDS on the roof was going to be too much weight on the roof!!!!!!! ? O well, maybe it was the weight of the coax (that I didn't add in) was the final blow? I told the chick exactly what I thought of there PE Dept; and the idiots must not have any idea of what was on the roof (80 lbs of aluminum!). ? She did get back a few days later and told me the PE Dept agreed with my assessment (not they were a bunch of idiots, but at least the part where the roof would have no problem holding an additional 80 lbs). ?I put them on hold until I looked at more estimates, and eventually cancelled out with them.? I found a local company, and they had no problem with 30 panels (he dropped one because of too much shade), and no problem with the three on the one section of roof.So, I have solar (30 panels producing 8.25 KW) with micro inverters on each panel. ?Am using SolarWorld SW275 panels and Enphase M250-60-2LL-S22 inverters.? Total price was just under $29,000 divided into two loans. ?The first was $8,100 interest free loan for the first year; to be payed off with the income tax refund of 30% of the cost of the system. ?The remain loan was a 12 year long just under $29,000 at 2.99%. ?This is/was a much better deal than what Solar City offered! Additionally, I had to move the Glen Martin tower to the edge of the garage to make room for all the panels; ?and the guy helped me move the system to the place where it would not interfer with the installation of the panels!! System has been in for a year, and producing 93% of what was calculated (calculations based on weather data). Bottom line, I would check out local small companies that are not bound by all kinds of nit picky rules and restrictions, numerous levels of management and depts that all up the price they must charge to pay all the worker bees. Dick, K8ZTT.? From: Wes Stewart To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system I would not be interested in working with Solar City. http://watchdog.org/191409/congress-probes-solarcity/ On 7/18/2016 12:05 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed on my roof. > Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From w4rks73 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 15:42:45 2016 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system Message-ID: Thanks (Dick - K8ZBT) for a - very- interesting discussion about your solar system. It's likely more of us will follow suit. Jim - W4RKS ------------------------------ >I installed solar panels on my roof last year, >and have had no problems with noise from them. >On the subject of Solar City, I will agee with >Wes to stay away from that company. . . . From lmarion at mt.net Mon Jul 18 16:34:29 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:34:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpod arrival Message-ID: <001c01d1e133$c9661ff0$5c325fd0$@mt.net> Kpod arrived today. New K3S so one cable and it's working. Now to try to program some macros. Leroy AB7CE From lists at subich.com Mon Jul 18 16:42:31 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578D105E.3010608@sonic.net> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> <578D105E.3010608@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5ba50541-c172-624a-3f68-f3640171d1f0@subich.com> > I figure it should save about $1000/year in electricity bills and > they are quoting me $17.5 k for the system. That's a 5.7% return on > investment, or 8.3% ROI after the federal tax credit. Make sure they are quoting *everything.* When I looked into solar a few years ago, the quote specifically excluded building permit(s). By the time the necessary PE reports, building permits, mortgage holder sign-off, etc (regulatory crap) were added and the benefit of the federal tax credit reduced because it is not a "refundable" credit, the payback period was so long the ROI was not competitive with US Government bonds! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/18/2016 1:22 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > Thanks for the pointer. I was already aware that their "0% down" lease > arrangement is not a very good deal, so I am looking at buying the > system outright. I figure it should save about $1000/year in > electricity bills and they are quoting me $17.5 k for the system. That's > a 5.7% return on investment, or 8.3% ROI after the federal tax credit. > > http://energy.gov/savings/residential-renewable-energy-tax-credit > > Alan N1AL > > > On 07/18/2016 05:54 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I would not be interested in working with Solar City. >> >> http://watchdog.org/191409/congress-probes-solarcity/ >> >> On 7/18/2016 12:05 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: >>> I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed >>> on my roof. >> >>> Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 18 17:35:37 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:35:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <5ba50541-c172-624a-3f68-f3640171d1f0@subich.com> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> <578D105E.3010608@sonic.net> <5ba50541-c172-624a-3f68-f3640171d1f0@subich.com> Message-ID: <59a22a06-5a95-7abc-eee1-8c9bed3b33fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Yep. Just like always, the devil is the details, and the large print giveth while the small print taketh away. :) 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,7/18/2016 1:42 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > When I looked into solar a > few years ago, the quote specifically excluded building permit(s). > By the time the necessary PE reports, building permits, mortgage holder > sign-off, etc (regulatory crap) were added and the benefit of the > federal tax credit reduced because it is not a "refundable" credit, > the payback period was so long the ROI was not competitive with US > Government bonds! From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Jul 18 18:17:04 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> Message-ID: Alan, There's a local electrician here in Santa Rosa that I have used for a couple of projects. He is presently installing a new 800A 3P service for me. His prices are fair and I know he has done a number of PV installations. He's accommodating & I'm sure would be willing to deviate from a formulaic install to allow such things as wiring to be in conduit and winding CM chokes as specified by you. He's a big fan of the Enphase microinverters. I don't have any specific info about their RFI performance, although they are HQ in Petaluma and I understand that their tech support people are accessible. He gave me an Enphase microinverters to dissect, so we can open it and see at least if it looks like the design includes expected filtering. For what it's worth, I see that it's externally labeled "complies with part 15" and "operation...may not cause harmful interference" so at least they acknowledge their responsibility! I'm fairly certain that he would give us a tour of one of his installs in operation where we could sniff around and see for ourselves what sort of junk the Enphase inverters are producing. I would be very interested in the results. Let me know off list if interested and we can try to sked. 73, Josh W6XU On 7/18/2016 12:05 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed > on my roof. There was an article by K1KP in April 2016 QST about the > hoops he had to jump through to reduce the noise level from his system > low enough that he could operate the HF bands. > > My system should be less troublesome than his since it would not have > power optimizers (basically switching power supplies) on each solar > panel. The panels have no electronics in them. So I think all I need > to worry about is the noise from the inverter (the device that > converts DC from the panels to 240 VAC to connect to the electric > company). > > The inverter already includes an AC line filter, so hopefully that > should reduce differential-mode noise into the power line. So I think > I'm talking about common-mode chokes on both sides of the inverter - > the side that connects to the electric utility and the side that > connects to the panels up on the roof. > > Solar City is not interested in working with me on this - they just > want to do a standard installation like they have done thousands of > times before. However, I see in their plans that they connect to the > meter main breaker box with 3/4-inch EMT (electrometallic tubing) and > also use 3/4 EMT for the solar panel connections. You can buy snap-on > ferrite chokes, FairRite P/N 0431177081, which have a 1-inch ID, so it > should be possible to simply snap them on over the EMT. These chokes > are basically the same as the ones used in the article (type 31, 2" > OD, 1" ID, 1.5" L) except that they are snap-on types. > > My question is, how many chokes do I need? K1KP used 30 (!) in series > on the power-line side of his inverter. That seems excessive. The > FairRite data sheet says the impedance is about 80 ohms at 2 MHz, > rising to 240 ohms at 30 MHz. I'm thinking a half-dozen or so of > these on each side would be reasonable. Does anyone have any > experience with this kind of thing? > > Alan N1AL From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Mon Jul 18 18:25:46 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:25:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - Option Pre-Installed? Message-ID: <1468880746854-7620358.post@n2.nabble.com> I just put in a order for a KX2 with ATU & clock. Does Elecraft install them or is that my job? Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-Option-Pre-Installed-tp7620358.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lmarion at mt.net Mon Jul 18 18:30:03 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:30:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - Option Pre-Installed? In-Reply-To: <1468880746854-7620358.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468880746854-7620358.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <007e01d1e143$eefd4850$ccf7d8f0$@mt.net> Its all ready to go when you get it, man is it ready! Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of MaverickNH Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - Option Pre-Installed? I just put in a order for a KX2 with ATU & clock. Does Elecraft install them or is that my job? Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-Option-Pre-Installed-tp7620358.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From ditzian at windstream.net Mon Jul 18 18:36:08 2016 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan Ditzian) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter Message-ID: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can tell that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with another computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I also tried a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first computer, which has a serial port, and was also unable to communicate. I am now unsure of the location of the problem. I am willing to go with whatever works. Is there a way for me to test the serial-to-USB converter and cable by itself, or otherwise determine whether it is working? 73, Jan, KX2A From n1al at sonic.net Mon Jul 18 18:48:01 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:48:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <5ba50541-c172-624a-3f68-f3640171d1f0@subich.com> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> <5fe7b94d-5ac7-077d-61cc-41e58ba87f7a@triconet.org> <578D105E.3010608@sonic.net> <5ba50541-c172-624a-3f68-f3640171d1f0@subich.com> Message-ID: <578D5CA1.9060906@sonic.net> On 07/18/2016 01:42 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Make sure they are quoting *everything.* When I looked into solar a > few years ago, the quote specifically excluded building permit(s). Good point. The contract states, "SolarCity will obtain any necessary permits, at SolarCity's cost." So I think I'm covered there. Alan N1AL From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 18 19:05:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:05:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> Message-ID: <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> Jan, The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial device connected to the questionable converter cable. Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces as well as USB interfaces. Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI chipset. If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting we assume only a single failure. You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/18/2016 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: > I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an > Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened > during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS > rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a > serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can tell > that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with another > computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I also tried > a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first computer, > which has a serial port, and was also unable to communicate. I am now > unsure of the location of the problem. I am willing to go with > whatever works. > From ditzian at windstream.net Mon Jul 18 19:25:54 2016 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan Ditzian) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:25:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5e76d8b0-82d8-e76c-ebdc-78052ea95b94@windstream.net> Don, Thank you for the suggestions. I do not have another FTDI cable, but it seems that this is the way to go, and I can order one from Elecraft (since I understand that cheaper alternatives my result in a cable that is incompatible with recent drivers). As for why the serial to serial did not work: I also had a size adapter in there, so that may have been at fault. The most straightforward test would be replacement. If that works, I will contact MDS for a replacement converter as well. Thank you, Jan, KX2A On 7/18/2016 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jan, > > The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with > a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial > device connected to the questionable converter cable. > > Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces > as well as USB interfaces. > > Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good > USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI > chipset. > > If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, > see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter > is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, > multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting > we assume only a single failure. > > You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 > breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to > understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be > helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that > testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was > more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/18/2016 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: >> I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an >> Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened >> during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS >> rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a >> serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can >> tell that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with >> another computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I >> also tried a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first >> computer, which has a serial port, and was also unable to >> communicate. I am now unsure of the location of the problem. I am >> willing to go with whatever works. >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7688 / Virus Database: 4627/12638 - Release Date: > 07/18/16 > > From cf at cfcorp.com Mon Jul 18 19:39:29 2016 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:39:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <023701d1e14d$a3fccc40$ebf664c0$@com> Another test you can try is to short pins 2 and 3 on the RS-232 side of the converter (loop back) and then use a terminal program to see if characters that you type are echoed back. Some notes: 1. make sure handshaking is off/none 2. make sure local echo is off 3. data rate does not matter 4. there are several (free) terminal emulation programs out there. HyperTerminal used to be bundled with XP but is no longer free. However you can download a trial version here http://www.hilgraeve.com/hyperterminal-trial/ 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:05 PM To: Jan Ditzian; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter Jan, The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial device connected to the questionable converter cable. Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces as well as USB interfaces. Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI chipset. If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting we assume only a single failure. You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/18/2016 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: > I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an > Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened > during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS > rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a > serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can tell > that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with another > computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I also tried > a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first computer, > which has a serial port, and was also unable to communicate. I am now > unsure of the location of the problem. I am willing to go with > whatever works. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 18 19:42:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:42:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: <8871c137-a9b4-5c31-849d-6239dcc2bbbf@socal.rr.com> <1cf6cab9-976c-92c0-5d72-74d850f91aa9@montac.com> Message-ID: <5c2930ff-b567-ef00-72e3-f0bc85c87f84@embarqmail.com> Reuben, I differ with you on the statement that the "K2 isn't exactly cut out for data modes". If you activate the RTTY filter set and adjust the filters for that mode, then you have a good transceiver for data modes. The RTTY mode allows you to set the compression (SSBC menu parameter) independently from the compression you use for SSB. If this is an old K2 with old firmware, you may want to update at least the firmware - the RTTY mode was not available before the rev 2.xx firmware level. Hold any button while powering on to see the firmware level briefly displayed. Add the W3FPR Fixed Audio Output and you are all set (instead you can use the headphone output, but the level varies with the AF Gain control). You do have to provide some switching between the microphone and the soundcard output externally to the K2 unless you are strictly data modes. See my Data mode Switchbox article on my website www.w3fpr.com for some ideas about how to accomplish that. The modern K2 is quite capable on soundcard data modes 'as-is', but a few external devices make it easier to use and switch from SSB to data modes. If you have an older K2 (prior to SN3000), you may want to consider adding the A to B upgrade mods (and associated mod kits) to bring it up to date. Do not overlook your K2, it is quite a capable transceiver for all modes. The MAB board is not a data mode solution, that only provides for various microphone pinouts. Yes, the K2 is a ham bands only transceiver. If you are looking for a general coverage receiver for SWLing, the K2 is not going to do it for you. The K3S with the KBPF3A option will provide general coverage receive. But my suggestion is that unless you are vastly interested in SWLing, keep the K2 and use it until you get your license. At this point, concentrate on your license rather than the radio. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/17/2016 8:36 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: > I hear ya... I was in the middle of studying for the general last. The > tech is.. well, too easy (IMO), so I was going to sit for both tech and > general IF I can actually make it up to St. Louis before sunrise, or if I > can schmooze a few of the local VEs to do a one-off. > > As to my K2, I thought about it, but even with the MAB board, the K2 isn't > exactly cut out for data modes.. at least, not very easily. Unless I'm > completely missing something here. AM BC bands are so-so in that you get > what's adjacent. Not knocking my K2.. I _still_ love it, both for what it > is and the fact that it was one of the more fun projects I did while > working on my undergrad in CSc. From kevin at ve3syb.ca Mon Jul 18 19:42:45 2016 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <5e76d8b0-82d8-e76c-ebdc-78052ea95b94@windstream.net> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> <5e76d8b0-82d8-e76c-ebdc-78052ea95b94@windstream.net> Message-ID: <578D6975.3040500@ve3syb.ca> On 16-07-18 07:25 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: > I do not have another FTDI cable, but it seems that this is the way to > go, and I can order one from Elecraft (since I understand that cheaper > alternatives my result in a cable that is incompatible with recent > drivers). If you have some wire you can do a loopback test. If your cable ends in a 9-pin connector you tie together pins 2 and 3, 4 and 6, and 7 and 8. See http://www.ni.com/tutorial/3450/en/ You can try using the Hyperterminal (IIRC) program if you are in Windows to test the serial port. I'm not sure what device an FTDI cable may appear to be in Windows as I mostly run Linux. If you are using Linux you can use minicom. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick From cbjesseenh at comcast.net Mon Jul 18 20:21:58 2016 From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - Option Pre-Installed? In-Reply-To: <007e01d1e143$eefd4850$ccf7d8f0$@mt.net> References: <1468880746854-7620358.post@n2.nabble.com> <007e01d1e143$eefd4850$ccf7d8f0$@mt.net> Message-ID: <1019409649.81762354.1468887718894.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From w8ken at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 20:33:30 2016 From: w8ken at yahoo.com (Ken Kontor) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PTT with DEMI Transverters Message-ID: To: All that responded. Thanks to all of you that responded to my request for information. Much useful information was received (simple to complex schematics) from many respondents for auto switching PTT and TXin / TXout lines to many Xvtrs. I intend to proceed with one of the simpler circuits at this time, but will keep the other schematics on file in case I add more Xvtrs later. Again thank you for all of your very useful comments and information. 73, Ken - W8KEN From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Jul 18 20:33:33 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:33:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> Message-ID: <6B91CDF8-1CA7-480A-BCD1-69C990B55622@widomaker.com> Call support for assistance. They will walk you through the tests. Have lid off and DVM handy. Very simple. I had a choke on the ground line go and it was very obvious with visual exam. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 18, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: > > I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can tell that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with another computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I also tried a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first computer, which has a serial port, and was also unable to communicate. I am now unsure of the location of the problem. I am willing to go with whatever works. > > Is there a way for me to test the serial-to-USB converter and cable by itself, or otherwise determine whether it is working? > > 73, > Jan, KX2A > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 20:39:46 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <49914997-f201-638f-123c-bf3dac4584b6@gmail.com> A multitude of USB 'sins' can often be cured by a complete powering down of the computer, including pulling the power cord (on desktops) and removing the battery (laptops). A soft reboot doesn't always reset the hardware but 10+ seconds of zero power to them usually does. In this condition, the only power in the computer is the RTC battery. All this test costs is time and most of the time, it works here. Then make sure that the OS hasn't assigned it/them a new port value (com2 instead of com5). You may have to use Device Manager in Windoze to force it to accepting the value you want. This is why when I built the shack computer, I went back to using real serial ports, which are far more stable. Good luck. Rick nhc On 7/18/2016 4:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jan, > > The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with > a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial > device connected to the questionable converter cable. > > Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces > as well as USB interfaces. > > Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good > USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI > chipset. > > If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, > see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter > is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, > multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting > we assume only a single failure. > > You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 > breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to > understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be > helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that > testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was > more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/18/2016 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: >> I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an >> Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened >> during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS >> rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a >> serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can >> tell that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with >> another computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I >> also tried a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first >> computer, which has a serial port, and was also unable to >> communicate. I am now unsure of the location of the problem. I am >> willing to go with whatever works. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From ww3s at zoominternet.net Sat Jul 16 21:08:29 2016 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:08:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] monitoring your own transmitted RTTY text Message-ID: Trying to help a RTTY newbie setup his Microkeyer II to his K3, we had everything working in NAQP except whatever he sent was not visible in the digi window of MM+. We noticed it scrolled by in the microkeyer window, but a nusiance to try to keep your eyes on the screen and the keyer......I noticed a post about the recent K3 firmware, but Ed doesn?t have that installed in his K3.....is there a setting or something we missed? With my microkeyer, I didn?t have to do anything, what I sent was automagically captured in the digi window..... 73, Jamie WW3S From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 21:26:43 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:26:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Powered Portable Speakers Message-ID: They're not "portable", but I have several pairs of COMspkrs from West Mountain Radio that I'm totally pleased with. One set is immediately beside my KPA500 with no interference. FWIW 73! Ken - K0PP > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (3) > ------------------------------ > Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app > > Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail > today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) > in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > > ------------------------------ > Visit Your Group > > > - New Members > > 10 > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > ? Privacy ? > Unsubscribe ? Terms > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ > From lists at subich.com Mon Jul 18 21:28:19 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:28:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] monitoring your own transmitted RTTY text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bce238b-2a43-7f29-c242-e5f942fbc4e6@subich.com> Is "Sound Loopback" set to "Int" on the MMTTY Config | Misc tab *and* TX Port set to "Sound + COM-TxD (FSK)? That should allow MMTTY to monitor transmission regardless of the transceiver in use. I'm not sure that all versions of the K3/K3S firmware echo "Monitor" to the Line Out. Is Monitor enabled (Mon level = 8 to 10 at least) on the "newie's" K3? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/16/2016 9:08 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote: > Trying to help a RTTY newbie setup his Microkeyer II to his K3, we had everything working in NAQP except whatever he sent was not visible in the digi window of MM+. We noticed it scrolled by in the microkeyer window, but a nusiance to try to keep your eyes on the screen and the keyer......I noticed a post about the recent K3 firmware, but Ed doesn?t have that installed in his K3.....is there a setting or something we missed? With my microkeyer, I didn?t have to do anything, what I sent was automagically captured in the digi window..... > > 73, Jamie WW3S > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 18 21:43:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:43:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] monitoring your own transmitted RTTY text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jamie, I think we are talking about display on a computer screen rather than some function of the K3. I would suggest that the best answer would come from the support forums of the software involved rather than from the K3 reflector. If there is K3 interaction, then your friend should upgrade to the latest K3 firmware to keep up with the latest. You did not state just how downlevel his firmware might be - that might be important. Soapbox ON --- I do not know why some owners are reluctant to download the latest firmware upgrades. Beta versions may be a concern, but those which are promoted to production level are safe. K3 Utility makes it a snap to download the latest production firmware, it is just a click of a few buttons. If something like a computer glitch happens during the firmware upgrade, it is easily fixed by the "Force Firmware Download" instructions in the manual and the K3 Utility help file. Soapbox OFF. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/16/2016 9:08 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote: > Trying to help a RTTY newbie setup his Microkeyer II to his K3, we had everything working in NAQP except whatever he sent was not visible in the digi window of MM+. We noticed it scrolled by in the microkeyer window, but a nusiance to try to keep your eyes on the screen and the keyer......I noticed a post about the recent K3 firmware, but Ed doesn?t have that installed in his K3.....is there a setting or something we missed? With my microkeyer, I didn?t have to do anything, what I sent was automagically captured in the digi window..... > > From jkaufmann at alum.mit.edu Mon Jul 18 21:49:40 2016 From: jkaufmann at alum.mit.edu (John Kaufmann) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:49:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system Message-ID: <014001d1e15f$d0ef6e30$72ce4a90$@alum.mit.edu> My advice on Solar City is to avoid them at all costs. Their systems, manufactured by SolarEdge, generate horrendous broadband RF noise. One of my neighbors installed a Solar City system on his house and ever since, I've been plagued with extremely bad RF noise, especially on 6m, whenever I beam in the direction of his house. On 50 MHz, it raises my noise floor by 25 dB, which makes it impossible to work anything but very strong signals in the direction of the neighbor's house. The neighbor has been very cooperative in trying to work with Solar City to get the problem fixed for me, but Solar City is technically incompetent or not seriously interested, or both, in trying to eliminate the noise. They claimed the noise was originating in their optimizers, so they replaced them with different units. However, that barely made a dent in the noise. I ran some tests and determined that both the inverter and the optimizers are generating noise. At this point Solar City is trying to wash their hands of the whole mess. The neighbor leases the system from Solar City, so neither he nor I can really make any modifications to the hardware, like adding chokes and the like. I would like to get the FCC on the case, but I seriously doubt that will ever come to pass. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Mon Jul 18 21:56:53 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:56:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+PX3+KXPA100 for K3(S)-100 Swap? Message-ID: Hi folks, The KX2 has totally won me over for portable operations -- a fully-featured HF radio I can fit easily in a carry-on, or my hiking pack. Now I'm interested in switching my home station to a K3 or K3S. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has a 100W K3 or K3S, and would like to trade for a KX3 with all the trimmings but the hand mic, plus some money (via Paypal) in one direction or the other, depending on the details of what you have. Specifically, I have: * KX3, factory assembled with the following options: KXAT3 (tuner), KXBC3 (general coverage), KXFL3 (filter). - Also includes KXPD3 (paddles) and KX3-PCKT (full set of cables for packet, RX I/Q, and accessories). - I installed the KX3-2M-AT 2m module in the KX3 myself. * PX3 * KXPA100, factory assembled; I subsequently installed the KXAT100 tuner myself. Also includes KXPACBL, the cabling for the KX3. No mods, excellent condition, everything works perfectly; I'd like your K3/K3S to be about the same shape. If you were to buy my full setup new from Elecraft, it would cost about $3,700; a new 100W K3S with no options is $2,900, so our rigs are likely to be in the same ballpark. I'm currently travelling, so I won't be able to make the trade until the 1st, regardless. I'm going to leave this invitation out here until then, to see what interest I get. If none, I'll sell this gear for cash, and buy a new K3S. Thanks, everyone. Bruce From jkaufmann at alum.mit.edu Mon Jul 18 22:00:22 2016 From: jkaufmann at alum.mit.edu (John Kaufmann) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:00:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system Message-ID: <015301d1e161$4fb1ba60$ef152f20$@alum.mit.edu> Sorry, I forgot to add my call to my post below. It's W1FV (John). From: John Kaufmann [mailto:jkaufmann at alum.mit.edu] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:50 PM To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net'; 'n1al at sonic.net' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system My advice on Solar City is to avoid them at all costs. Their systems, manufactured by SolarEdge, generate horrendous broadband RF noise. One of my neighbors installed a Solar City system on his house and ever since, I've been plagued with extremely bad RF noise, especially on 6m, whenever I beam in the direction of his house. On 50 MHz, it raises my noise floor by 25 dB, which makes it impossible to work anything but very strong signals in the direction of the neighbor's house. The neighbor has been very cooperative in trying to work with Solar City to get the problem fixed for me, but Solar City is technically incompetent or not seriously interested, or both, in trying to eliminate the noise. They claimed the noise was originating in their optimizers, so they replaced them with different units. However, that barely made a dent in the noise. I ran some tests and determined that both the inverter and the optimizers are generating noise. At this point Solar City is trying to wash their hands of the whole mess. The neighbor leases the system from Solar City, so neither he nor I can really make any modifications to the hardware, like adding chokes and the like. I would like to get the FCC on the case, but I seriously doubt that will ever come to pass. From n1al at sonic.net Mon Jul 18 22:32:12 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:32:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <014001d1e15f$d0ef6e30$72ce4a90$@alum.mit.edu> References: <014001d1e15f$d0ef6e30$72ce4a90$@alum.mit.edu> Message-ID: <578D912C.50204@sonic.net> I am now leaning on going with a local company rather than Solar City. They quoted a higher price for a lower-power system, but because of some convoluted accounting it will actually end up costing me less. And they are at least willing to talk about adding some common-mode chokes. Their system uses micro-inverters on each panel, which potentially should cause less interference because all the switching electronics is localized with short connections. Only 240 VAC 60 Hz comes out of the panels. Alan N1AL On 07/18/2016 06:49 PM, John Kaufmann wrote: > My advice on Solar City is to avoid them at all costs. Their systems, > manufactured by SolarEdge, generate horrendous broadband RF noise.... From konecc at snet.net Mon Jul 18 23:50:07 2016 From: konecc at snet.net (Rich Assarabowski) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:50:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit Message-ID: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> What's the consensus on the best stuff to use on all contacts and connections during assembly of a new K3? Caig DeoxIT Gold G-series (formerly ProGold)? Stabilant 22A? Something else? --- Rich K1CC >I cleaned the connector and I put few drops of Stabilant 22A and the problem >seems resolved. My friend VE2OLM have a PCB design and assembly shop. He >need sometime to rework some boards and he need use that stuff to correct >the problem. Also use by NATO > >http://stabilant.com/appnt01.php From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Jul 19 01:05:10 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:05:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Powered Portable Speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f801073-1e2b-e956-b9af-d549c44afe96@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/18/2016 6:26 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > One set is immediately beside my KPA500 with no interference. That's meaningless, Ken. RF is radiated by antennas, not shielded boxes. :) The most severe RFI to/from my shack is when I'm using a 160M Tee vertical 20 ft from my operating desk. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Jul 19 01:12:40 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:12:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578D912C.50204@sonic.net> References: <014001d1e15f$d0ef6e30$72ce4a90$@alum.mit.edu> <578D912C.50204@sonic.net> Message-ID: You're moving in the right direction, Alan. Study the QST article to learn as much as possible about the concepts. Remember that RF is radiated by CURRENT flowing on conductors that are not shielded, and that differential current on a transmission line is not radiated. Twisting helps that tremendously. Study my RFI piece. I'd be happy to chat if you want to work through some ideas and concepts. Yes, inverters integral to panels can minimize RFI IF the units are properly designed, but that can be a very big if. :) Also, buy Henry Ott's excellent EMC text and study it. Published by Wiley, you want the latest edition (c.a. 2007-8). 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,7/18/2016 7:32 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I am now leaning on going with a local company rather than Solar City. > They quoted a higher price for a lower-power system, but because of > some convoluted accounting it will actually end up costing me less. > And they are at least willing to talk about adding some common-mode > chokes. Their system uses micro-inverters on each panel, which > potentially should cause less interference because all the switching > electronics is localized with short connections. Only 240 VAC 60 Hz > comes out of the panels. From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Tue Jul 19 02:48:16 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:48:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> References: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> Message-ID: <007d01d1e189$8c7ebba0$a57c32e0$@co.uk> Where available, a clear gel product called Contralube 770 also works well (www.contralube.com ). Back when Deoxit was more difficult to buy in Europe, I used Contralube 770 to cure intermittent contacts on all of the multi-way front panel connectors, which have given no further trouble for 7 years. Like all of these products, a little goes a very long way. To apply a small, controlled amount onto inline multi-way connector pins, first apply a thin layer onto the edge of a piece of card, and use that to wipe the lubricant onto the pins. **USE STRONG ANTI-STATIC PRECAUTIONS** These internal interconnections are completely unprotected against static charges! 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Rich Assarabowski >Sent: 19 July 2016 04:50 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit > >What's the consensus on the best stuff to use on all contacts and >connections during assembly of a new K3? Caig DeoxIT Gold G-series >(formerly ProGold)? Stabilant 22A? Something else? > >--- Rich K1CC > >>I cleaned the connector and I put few drops of Stabilant 22A and the >problem >>seems resolved. My friend VE2OLM have a PCB design and assembly shop. >He >>need sometime to rework some boards and he need use that stuff to >correct >>the problem. Also use by NATO >> >>http://stabilant.com/appnt01.php > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Tue Jul 19 05:53:20 2016 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:53:20 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <136dbf2d-2770-a35c-57c1-d6e1cf14d282@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Carl Did you get the KIO3B problem resolved ? Barry VK2BJ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Barry Simpson Date: 17 July 2016 at 13:03 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade To: Carl Clawson Cc: Lyle Johnson , elecraft Hi Carl Have you actually set RS232 to USB in the Config menu ? Just a thought. Barry VK2BJ On 17 July 2016 at 11:47, Carl Clawson wrote: > Thanks Lyle. I tried those things. If it's a cable problem then I must have > TWO defective cables, because feeding RS232 to the P3 and connecting the > single-headed cable to the K3 also results in no communications to the K3. > And yes, I put the K3 in RS232 mode at 38400 baud when I tried that. > > -- Carl > > On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > > Carl, > > > > A couple of thoughts. > > > > 1) Losing communications with the Y cable plugged into the KIO3B but not > > having BOTH DE-9 connectors attached to the P3 will result in no > > communications. The KIO3B senses the Y cable and routes the USB side > > communications to the P3 which then routes signals to the K3. > > > > 2) Be sure the cable is fully seated into the jack on the KIO3B. The > > plastic lock should "click" into place. You can verify this with a > gentle > > tug on the cable after it is inserted to verify it is fully seated. > > > > 3) Be sure the P3 is set to 38,400 bps on its serial ports. > > > > 4) If the cable is fully seated and the P3 is set to 38,400 bps and you > > still have the problem, I'd suspect the Y cable being defective. I don;t > > know if the schematics for the cable are on the website or supplied with > > the cable to assist you in troubleshooting the cable if you so desire, so > > it may require a call to support on Monday, or an email directly to them. > > > > 73, > > > > Lyle KK7P > > > > > > Maybe the combined wisdom of the group will be able to help before I send > >> this to Elecraft support. > >> > >> I installed the KIO3B upgrade in my K3. The USB interface from PC to K3 > >> works but only if you don't plug a cable in the RS232/P3 jack. The RS232 > >> connection to the P3 isn't happening... > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to clawsoncw at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From jd at ko8v.net Tue Jul 19 08:22:42 2016 From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:22:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB Isolation Message-ID: <14582FBC-1179-43BE-BFC1-A0CDAFB65B80@ko8v.net> From jd at ko8v.net Tue Jul 19 08:40:08 2016 From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:40:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB Isolation In-Reply-To: <14582FBC-1179-43BE-BFC1-A0CDAFB65B80@ko8v.net> References: <14582FBC-1179-43BE-BFC1-A0CDAFB65B80@ko8v.net> Message-ID: <27D8B063-8B44-4537-ACE7-6BD27C70D509@ko8v.net> From jd at ko8v.net Tue Jul 19 08:59:21 2016 From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:59:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB Isolation In-Reply-To: References: <14582FBC-1179-43BE-BFC1-A0CDAFB65B80@ko8v.net> <27D8B063-8B44-4537-ACE7-6BD27C70D509@ko8v.net> Message-ID: <1D336297-1EA3-4C6D-80CD-D0E3A817FD51@ko8v.net> From ny9h at arrl.net Tue Jul 19 09:02:29 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:02:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578D912C.50204@sonic.net> References: <014001d1e15f$d0ef6e30$72ce4a90$@alum.mit.edu> <578D912C.50204@sonic.net> Message-ID: In 2010 I had installed a 10kw system, about 400 feet down from my tower. Before selecting SMA as the inverter manufacturer, I went to two sites with my little Kenwood TF6A. It has am fm ssb bdcst to uhf... using the am broadcast band and built in loop antenna, the only noise I could discern was when the handheld was held several inches from the inverter cabinet. Nothing heard on other bands. Lightning took out the inverters, Thor came into the inverters on the RS422 control lines, not the AC outputs, blowing the interface cards & control circuity. Insurance covered the replacement SMA 5000TL transformerLESS inverters. Thankfully the loss of transformers did not change the cleanliness of the SMA boxes. Being in the boonies, allows an s3 noise level...and the SMA do not change that !!! pix at my google/picasa site https://picasaweb.google.com/102281425518350961470/SolarElectric EIS Energy Independent Systems in Pittsburgh did a great job... .....no affiliation other than a customer ... bill ny9h/3 From clawsoncw at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 10:46:45 2016 From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:46:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <136dbf2d-2770-a35c-57c1-d6e1cf14d282@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been in conversation with tech support but we have not yet found what's wrong. -- Carl On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:53 AM, Barry Simpson wrote: > Hi Carl > > Did you get the KIO3B problem resolved ? > > Barry VK2BJ > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Barry Simpson > Date: 17 July 2016 at 13:03 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade > To: Carl Clawson > Cc: Lyle Johnson , elecraft > > > Hi Carl > > Have you actually set RS232 to USB in the Config menu ? Just a thought. > > Barry VK2BJ > > On 17 July 2016 at 11:47, Carl Clawson wrote: > >> Thanks Lyle. I tried those things. If it's a cable problem then I must >> have >> TWO defective cables, because feeding RS232 to the P3 and connecting the >> single-headed cable to the K3 also results in no communications to the K3. >> And yes, I put the K3 in RS232 mode at 38400 baud when I tried that. >> >> -- Carl >> >> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: >> >> > Carl, >> > >> > A couple of thoughts. >> > >> > 1) Losing communications with the Y cable plugged into the KIO3B but not >> > having BOTH DE-9 connectors attached to the P3 will result in no >> > communications. The KIO3B senses the Y cable and routes the USB side >> > communications to the P3 which then routes signals to the K3. >> > >> > 2) Be sure the cable is fully seated into the jack on the KIO3B. The >> > plastic lock should "click" into place. You can verify this with a >> gentle >> > tug on the cable after it is inserted to verify it is fully seated. >> > >> > 3) Be sure the P3 is set to 38,400 bps on its serial ports. >> > >> > 4) If the cable is fully seated and the P3 is set to 38,400 bps and you >> > still have the problem, I'd suspect the Y cable being defective. I >> don;t >> > know if the schematics for the cable are on the website or supplied with >> > the cable to assist you in troubleshooting the cable if you so desire, >> so >> > it may require a call to support on Monday, or an email directly to >> them. >> > >> > 73, >> > >> > Lyle KK7P >> > >> > >> > Maybe the combined wisdom of the group will be able to help before I >> send >> >> this to Elecraft support. >> >> >> >> I installed the KIO3B upgrade in my K3. The USB interface from PC to K3 >> >> works but only if you don't plug a cable in the RS232/P3 jack. The >> RS232 >> >> connection to the P3 isn't happening... >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to clawsoncw at gmail.com >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au >> > > > From kb2m at arrl.net Tue Jul 19 10:51:50 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K POD macros Message-ID: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> I'm happily writing some macros for my K Pod and not finding a way to access front panel controls like M1. Is there a way to access M1 from the K POD? Also does anyone have a macro to share that emulates a band select function? Thanks. 73 Jeff kb2m From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 19 11:21:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:21:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K POD macros In-Reply-To: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> References: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> Message-ID: <64232921-3ddd-ca46-f85c-75c2e63bc263@embarqmail.com> Jeff, Most all the K3 buttons are accessible through the macro SWT/SWH commands. See page 17 of the Programmers Reference. Specifically SWT21 is a tap of the M1 button and SWH21 is a hold. Store the macro in the K3 (the latest K3 Utility allows 16 macros to be edited/stored). Then one of the K-Pod buttons can activate than macro. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/19/2016 10:51 AM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > I'm happily writing some macros for my K Pod and not finding a way to access > front panel controls like M1. Is there a way to access M1 from the K POD? > Also does anyone have a macro to share that emulates a band select function? > Thanks. > > > From dick at elecraft.com Tue Jul 19 11:32:57 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:32:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K POD macros In-Reply-To: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> References: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> Message-ID: <441A3C03-A98C-4E37-8839-19DF2388FA51@elecraft.com> You can tap or hold buttons like M1 with SWT or SWH. Change bands with BN. Dick, K6KR > On Jul 19, 2016, at 07:51, Jeff Griffin wrote: > > I'm happily writing some macros for my K Pod and not finding a way to access > front panel controls like M1. Is there a way to access M1 from the K POD? > Also does anyone have a macro to share that emulates a band select function? > Thanks. > > > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Jul 19 13:04:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:04:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod questions (unanswered) Message-ID: <3da815c5-bfc5-56d0-bf7a-3c0d5a8098ee@triconet.org> I'm teetering on the fence about buying one of these or not. I've sent the following directly to Elecraft but haven't received an answer. Perhaps someone else can help. The K-Pod manual mentions LEDs D1-D4 are programmable then goes on to say that D1-D3 are used already. Please clarify and tell me how one would program them. Also there are Aux outputs mentioned, but only in passing. What is the How, What, Where..." The Shipping Status page is out of date. How long ARO is shipping? From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 19 13:08:10 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:08:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - Option Pre-Installed? In-Reply-To: <1468880746854-7620358.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468880746854-7620358.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Bret, We install the internal options here at ship time if they are ordered with the KX2. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/18/2016 3:25 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I just put in a order for a KX2 with ATU & clock. Does Elecraft install them > or is that my job? > > Bret/KC1CJN > > From jimfinan at att.net Tue Jul 19 13:19:34 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:19:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod questions (unanswered) In-Reply-To: <3da815c5-bfc5-56d0-bf7a-3c0d5a8098ee@triconet.org> References: <3da815c5-bfc5-56d0-bf7a-3c0d5a8098ee@triconet.org> Message-ID: <20160719171934.5869650.27924.44179@att.net> Ordered one last week and shipped the next day. Now I have one for each radio. Jim?Finan AB4AC ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Wes Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:06 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod questions (unanswered) I'm teetering on the fence about buying one of these or not. I've sent the following directly to Elecraft but haven't received an answer. Perhaps someone else can help. The K-Pod manual mentions LEDs D1-D4 are programmable then goes on to say that D1-D3 are used already. Please clarify and tell me how one would program them. Also there are Aux outputs mentioned, but only in passing. What is the How, What, Where..." The Shipping Status page is out of date. How long ARO is shipping? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From tom at nilza.org Tue Jul 19 13:23:01 2016 From: tom at nilza.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:23:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> Message-ID: <168f7c4b-70a0-1fce-73c5-7dd5e0dfb3b1@nilza.org> Hi Alan, We put in a 10KW array on our garage roof using two SMA 5000TL-US-22 inverters to grid tie. I could not see any difference in noise floor or moving noise bands with the inverters running or with both the DC and AC disconnected. Perhaps just lucky? We used a local solar company that has been around 30 years who was aware of RFI issues. The local panel distributor is a ham by the way. As an aside both inverters can provide up to 1500 watts at 120Vac if the grid is down. One inverter feeds that 1500 watts to the kitchen and the other to the shack. My HF dipole runs above the roof mounted panels with the feed about 70 ft south of the garage. I did not do any thing special for RFI. Electricians provided the UFER ground to the inverters. The two 240Vac lines from the inverters run underground about 75 ft over to the utility panels on the north side of the house. They also said for just charging my station batteries using the 700 watt legacy solar array that came with the house that I should use a PWM charger rather than the noisier MPTT chargers. Have not picked a charger yet. The local solar guy also provided that 700 watt array to the original owners of our house as it was an off-grid solar home. You can see the panels on my QRZ page's aerial view. 73, tom w7sua On 7/18/2016 12:05 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I am contemplating having a solar photovoltaic power system installed on > my roof. There was an article by K1KP in April 2016 QST about the hoops > he had to jump through to reduce the noise level from his system low > enough that he could operate the HF bands. > [snip] > > Alan N1AL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tom at w7sua.org > > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Jul 19 13:36:32 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:36:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod questions (unanswered) In-Reply-To: <20160719171934.5869650.27924.44179@att.net> References: <3da815c5-bfc5-56d0-bf7a-3c0d5a8098ee@triconet.org> <20160719171934.5869650.27924.44179@att.net> Message-ID: I thanked you privately for this, then went to order one. The page has been updated and now they're not shipping until the end of August. On 7/19/2016 10:19 AM, Jim Finan wrote: > Ordered one last week and shipped the next day. Now I have one for each radio. > > Jim Finan > AB4AC ? > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > Original Message > From: Wes Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:06 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod questions (unanswered) > > I'm teetering on the fence about buying one of these or not. I've sent the > following directly to Elecraft but haven't received an answer. Perhaps someone > else can help. > > The K-Pod manual mentions LEDs D1-D4 are programmable then goes on to say that > D1-D3 are used already. Please clarify and tell me how one would program them. > > Also there are Aux outputs mentioned, but only in passing. What is the How, > What, Where..." > > The Shipping Status page is out of date. How long ARO is shipping? From msadams60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 14:44:32 2016 From: msadams60 at gmail.com (Mark Adams) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:44:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XV Transverter RF Voltages Message-ID: Hi Gang, Does anyone have a schematic showing typical RF voltages for the XV series? My XV222 is low on power out, about 3W, and I need to run through the xmit chain. I had full power last September and last month it was putting out 7W or so. Something bit the dust. Thanks, Mark 73, Mark K2QO FN03ra From jermo at carolinaheli.com Tue Jul 19 14:46:19 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:46:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d1e1ed$d7ebf940$87c3ebc0$@carolinaheli.com> I will throw my view into the mix. As a new Ham operator you have no idea what you want to do in the hobby other than EVERYTHING!!! In addition to wanting to do everything we're also most often budget limited to some extent. Challenge: Weigh the desire to do everything with the most cost effective way to get started until we know what we actually enjoy. Suggestions: 1. Find a mentor (in our hobby they are called Elmers) to help you along, get you on the air, and help you get experience to find out WHAT you ENJOY doing in the hobby. 2. Meet with as many hams who do different things in the hobby as you can and ask them to show you that part of the hobby....example: HF, UHF/VHF, EME, DX, Contesting, Different modes....etc.. Once you know what you ENJOY in the hobby you can best invest in the resources to engage. My world view of ham radio gear specific to Elecraft: Most Gear Advantage (generalizations): cheaper, simple to use/operate (appliance operator ), may have firmware updates. Most Gear Disadvantage (generalizations): limited to the manf. Design limits and locked to model, firmware updates generally limited to correcting bugs and not generally to add features/functionality. Elecraft Disadvantages (my opinion and generalizations): High entry price, operator MUST learn to use the gear, configurations can be complex and are generally open ended Elecraft Advantages (my opinion and generalizations): Gear is highly adaptable to conditions and configuration based on operator demands a the time, hardware and software upgrades (both hardware and software upgrades have traditionally been for new features/functionality in addition to bug fixes). Summary: I would have been happy with a less expensive radio, however, I would have been frustrated at the limitations. I purchased my Elecraft K3S specifically to avoid the frustrations I've experienced with other gear in the past. To date I've not been let down (although the cost of the options has prevented me from doing the add-ons that would be nice to have..e.g. sub rx, P3..etc). Jerry Moore AE4PB From ai6ii at comcast.net Tue Jul 19 14:54:06 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:54:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Weighted tuning knobs for K3 Message-ID: <1468954446190-7620399.post@n2.nabble.com> For sale: K3 Main and VFO B weighted tuning knobs. The Main tuning knob has the finger dimple, but it is NOT the ball bearing type currently being sold. Asking $95 shipped USPS for the pair. These really make a difference when you play with your rig. ;>) PayPal preferred. Please email me off list. I am good on qrz.com 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-Weighted-tuning-knobs-for-K3-tp7620399.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc6cnn at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 15:17:41 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:17:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S In-Reply-To: <002201d1e1ed$d7ebf940$87c3ebc0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <002201d1e1ed$d7ebf940$87c3ebc0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <0FF63772-9B6D-40DA-9D54-EB8DC62D1247@gmail.com> Jerry Spot on. Thank you for your advice to this new ham. 73 Gerald KC6CNN > On Jul 19, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: > > I will throw my view into the mix. > > As a new Ham operator you have no idea what you want to do in the hobby > other than EVERYTHING!!! > In addition to wanting to do everything we're also most often budget limited > to some extent. > > Challenge: Weigh the desire to do everything with the most cost effective > way to get started until we know what we actually enjoy. > > Suggestions: > 1. Find a mentor (in our hobby they are called Elmers) to help you along, > get you on the air, and help you get experience to find out WHAT you ENJOY > doing in the hobby. > 2. Meet with as many hams who do different things in the hobby as you can > and ask them to show you that part of the hobby....example: HF, UHF/VHF, > EME, DX, Contesting, Different modes....etc.. > > Once you know what you ENJOY in the hobby you can best invest in the > resources to engage. > > > My world view of ham radio gear specific to Elecraft: > > Most Gear Advantage (generalizations): cheaper, simple to use/operate > (appliance operator ), may have firmware updates. > Most Gear Disadvantage (generalizations): limited to the manf. Design limits > and locked to model, firmware updates generally limited to correcting bugs > and not generally to add features/functionality. > > > Elecraft Disadvantages (my opinion and generalizations): High entry price, > operator MUST learn to use the gear, configurations can be complex and are > generally open ended > Elecraft Advantages (my opinion and generalizations): Gear is highly > adaptable to conditions and configuration based on operator demands a the > time, hardware and software upgrades (both hardware and software upgrades > have traditionally been for new features/functionality in addition to bug > fixes). > > > > > Summary: I would have been happy with a less expensive radio, however, I > would have been frustrated at the limitations. I purchased my Elecraft K3S > specifically to avoid the frustrations I've experienced with other gear in > the past. To date I've not been let down (although the cost of the options > has prevented me from doing the add-ons that would be nice to have..e.g. sub > rx, P3..etc). > > Jerry Moore > AE4PB > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com From bill4070 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 15:21:24 2016 From: bill4070 at gmail.com (Bill Schwantes) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:21:24 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] XV Transverter RF Voltages Message-ID: I'm not an expert but I have built and aligned a half dozen XVs. Rather than measure the RF voltage, I would recommend going back through the Alignment and Test section of the XV Build/Operation Manual. The DC voltages shown there are much easier to measure accurately. I'm sure you'll be able to use that info to determine what changed since you last operated your XV222. 73 Bill W7QQ DM75ao From jd at ko8v.net Tue Jul 19 15:23:54 2016 From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:23:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] This is a test to see if ISP no longer reformatting my e-mails Message-ID: This is to see if my mail provider is no longer reformatting my emails into HTML Joe KO8V From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Jul 19 15:45:30 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:45:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> References: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> Message-ID: It is my opinion that with gold plated contacts, nothing should be needed. It is also my opinion **never** to touch gold plated contacts. (I keep some Caig DeoxIT on hand.) Dick, n0ce On 7/18/2016 10:50 PM, Rich Assarabowski wrote: > What's the consensus on the best stuff to use on all contacts and > connections during assembly of a new K3? Caig DeoxIT Gold G-series > (formerly ProGold)? Stabilant 22A? Something else? > > --- Rich K1CC > > From ai6ii at comcast.net Tue Jul 19 15:50:18 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:50:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] How difficult is it to install the FM filter ofr K3 with ... Message-ID: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a K3 with the 2 meter module and second receiver installed. I recently acquired a FM filter and am wondering how difficult it would be to install it. Mostly I guess I am looking for an idea on what steps I need to perform and in what order. I installed the second receiver some time ago after installing the 2 meter module and remember it was quite involved. Before I attempt to add the FM filter I want to make sure I am up to the challenge. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-difficult-is-it-to-install-the-FM-filter-ofr-K3-with-tp7620404.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Jul 19 15:51:08 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:51:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <168f7c4b-70a0-1fce-73c5-7dd5e0dfb3b1@nilza.org> References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> <168f7c4b-70a0-1fce-73c5-7dd5e0dfb3b1@nilza.org> Message-ID: On Tue,7/19/2016 10:23 AM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote: > > We put in a 10KW array on our garage roof using two SMA 5000TL-US-22 > inverters to grid tie. I could not see any difference in noise floor > or moving noise bands with the inverters running or with both the DC > and AC disconnected. Perhaps just lucky? Remember that whether or not you hear more noise with the system running will depend on how much OTHER noise there is in your neighborhood. Some (many?) of us have background noise in the range of S8, others in the range of S3. The difference is 25 dB. > They also said for just charging my station batteries using the 700 > watt legacy solar array that came with the house that I should use a > PWM charger rather than the noisier MPTT chargers. Have not picked a > charger yet. The local solar guy also provided that 700 watt array to > the original owners of our house as it was an off-grid solar home. It's worth looking for a quiet MPPT charge regulator. Just like any other electronics that generate or use square waves, it can be done well or it can be done badly. Since badly is cheaper, and done well requires more technical design expertise, badly is by far the most common. The Genasun regulators are pretty quiet, but so far, they only make units for much smaller systems. 73, Jim K9YC From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 19 15:56:19 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:56:19 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV Transverter RF Voltages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e301d1e1f7$9ebbe220$dc33a660$@sbcglobal.net> You can find the manuals here: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#XV They should have what you are looking for. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Adams Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:45 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] XV Transverter RF Voltages Hi Gang, Does anyone have a schematic showing typical RF voltages for the XV series? My XV222 is low on power out, about 3W, and I need to run through the xmit chain. I had full power last September and last month it was putting out 7W or so. Something bit the dust. Thanks, Mark 73, Mark K2QO FN03ra ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From jermo at carolinaheli.com Tue Jul 19 16:13:25 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: References: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> Message-ID: <006401d1e1fa$02f158e0$08d40aa0$@carolinaheli.com> The contact doesn't exist in a vacuum and is thus potentially exposed to whatever exists in the air at that location. Over time, regardless, the connections may require maintenance. Example: I flew as Aircrew for the Navy. Most of our gear was sealed. Even being sealed a re-seat of a circuit card or cleaning of the edge fingers often brought faulted gear back into functional status. Perhaps if we create d a vacuum around our gear it wouldn't be as much of an issue? -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Fjeld Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:46 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit It is my opinion that with gold plated contacts, nothing should be needed. It is also my opinion **never** to touch gold plated contacts. (I keep some Caig DeoxIT on hand.) Dick, n0ce On 7/18/2016 10:50 PM, Rich Assarabowski wrote: > What's the consensus on the best stuff to use on all contacts and > connections during assembly of a new K3? Caig DeoxIT Gold G-series > (formerly ProGold)? Stabilant 22A? Something else? > > --- Rich K1CC > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Jul 19 16:13:29 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:13:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Buy a K3S? Message-ID: Agree fully with the suggestions. As to equipment, I once saw a sign in a high-end telescope shop: ?Buy the best first and cry only once.? Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:46:19 -0400 From: "Jerry Moore" To: "'Reuben Popp'" , "'Elecraft Reflector Reflector'" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S Message-ID: <002201d1e1ed$d7ebf940$87c3ebc0$@carolinaheli.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will throw my view into the mix. As a new Ham operator you have no idea what you want to do in the hobby other than EVERYTHING!!! In addition to wanting to do everything we're also most often budget limited to some extent. Challenge: Weigh the desire to do everything with the most cost effective way to get started until we know what we actually enjoy. Suggestions: 1. Find a mentor (in our hobby they are called Elmers) to help you along, get you on the air, and help you get experience to find out WHAT you ENJOY doing in the hobby. 2. Meet with as many hams who do different things in the hobby as you can and ask them to show you that part of the hobby....example: HF, UHF/VHF, EME, DX, Contesting, Different modes....etc.. Once you know what you ENJOY in the hobby you can best invest in the resources to engage. My world view of ham radio gear specific to Elecraft: Most Gear Advantage (generalizations): cheaper, simple to use/operate (appliance operator ), may have firmware updates. Most Gear Disadvantage (generalizations): limited to the manf. Design limits and locked to model, firmware updates generally limited to correcting bugs and not generally to add features/functionality. Elecraft Disadvantages (my opinion and generalizations): High entry price, operator MUST learn to use the gear, configurations can be complex and are generally open ended Elecraft Advantages (my opinion and generalizations): Gear is highly adaptable to conditions and configuration based on operator demands a the time, hardware and software upgrades (both hardware and software upgrades have traditionally been for new features/functionality in addition to bug fixes). Summary: I would have been happy with a less expensive radio, however, I would have been frustrated at the limitations. I purchased my Elecraft K3S specifically to avoid the frustrations I've experienced with other gear in the past. To date I've not been let down (although the cost of the options has prevented me from doing the add-ons that would be nice to have..e.g. sub rx, P3..etc). Jerry Moore AE4PB ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft You must be a subscriber to post. Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ------------------------------ End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 ***************************************** From jparnell at igc.org Tue Jul 19 16:24:13 2016 From: jparnell at igc.org (John Parnell) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:24:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Are any of you using a solar panel to charge KX2 battery? Message-ID: <002701d1e1fb$84417be0$8cc473a0$@org> Hello! I am a newly minted KX2 owner and this is my first post here - so be gentle J. So far, I am having a ball with the rig and enjoying discovering it's many features. Just before ordering the KXBT2 battery pack for the KX2, I called Elecraft and asked if the unit could be charged with a solar panel - I like backpacking with QRP. A few years ago (using a Hendricks PFR3 QRP rig), I found that a small folding solar panel and charge controller works well with a A123 LiPo 12V 3 Ah bat and saves me quite a bit of weight in my pack vs using gel cells. My practice is to charge one battery while using the another. I first contacted the bat distributor's tech person who said that it would charge just fine based on the specs for my small Morningstar charge controller.. the bats and folding panel weigh less than 1.5 lbs. Since the KXBT2 is a different voltage, I thought I should call Elecraft and ask if this setup would likewise work with it. Their rep told me that the KXBT2 should ONLY be charged via the provided AC charger. Now that I have one, I am delving a bit and found this: a " Venom 2-4 Cell AC/DC RC LiPo Dual Battery Balance Charger" on Amazon (designed for RC use). It is small and can charge 2-4 cells @ .1-3Amps and accepts 10-18VDC as well as AC. It could easily be set to match the 12.6V @ 2A output of the Tenergy AC charger. https://www.amazon.com/Venom-RC-Battery-Balance-Charger/dp/B00GYPG5JU/ref=sr _1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1468956041&sr=8-2&keywords=12v+lipo+charger So, my question is: Has anyone tried charging their KXBT2 bat with a solar panel? ..or. do any of you foresee any issues using the above gear to charge the KXBT2? (Thinking out loud, I would think that some sort of charge controller specific to the KX line would be a popular accessory for Elecraft to make available, considering that portability is a main draw for this stuff) 73 - de John, K7HV From kc7eqo at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 16:24:18 2016 From: kc7eqo at gmail.com (Matthew Lawson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:24:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: References: <23D65982-8D77-4EDC-9ADA-06427FB1163C@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Well, I got a response from Elecraft, they had me clean the pins on the RF board. This did not work and now I have been asked to ship them my radio. :( So this looks like my attempt at getting up to date firmware and fixes have left me with a nonworking K3, that operated fine, and I have to ship Elecraft my radio and pay their hourly rate to bring the radio back to life. There should be some fail safe or self checking for committing to the update or at least a way to fall back on. For example Cisco does implement a process like this with in their switches and routers. I wanted to update the list on the progress and will let everyone know the outcome. 73 *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Matthew Lawson wrote: > LOL oh yes I plan on posting the solution when one arrives. :) > > *Matthew Lawson* > *KC7EQO* > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > > > *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > >> You will tell me what finally fixes it, won't you... >> >> Good it's you instead of me. I would have been throwing things by now... >> >> >> 73, g. >> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Matthew Lawson >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Guy, no luck on the forcing firmware. Not sure what else there is >>> to tell. I will be calling Elecraft tomorrow. I have also copied support >>> with this email. Thanks for your assistance. >>> >>> 73! >>> >>> *Matthew Lawson* >>> *KC7EQO* >>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* >>> >>> >>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Call Elecraft Tech support in the morning. One of them will recognize >>>> this. In the meantime try the procedure for a hung firmware load where you >>>> force the K3 into an MCU load. >>>> >>>> Start the elecraft utility. Click on help. In the contents tab go down >>>> to "troubleshooting" and click on the + sign expander. Click on >>>> >>>> - Forcing the K3 into "Firmware Load Required" Mode >>>> >>>> Follow the procedure to the letter. >>>> >>>> Something weird going on. >>>> >>>> I have this feeling that you haven't told me something that's >>>> important, but I don't know what it might be, and you don't know it's >>>> important, so I don't know what to ask and you don't know what to tell. :>( >>>> >>>> Sorry I haven't had the answer, but fixing the stuff over the weekend >>>> when Elecraft is closed is always a bear. >>>> >>>> Good Luck, Guy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Matthew Lawson wrote: >>>> >>>>> No joy Guy, I have even tried a different PC running windows 7. same >>>>> thing, fails on the DSP1 upload to the radio. Does anyone know where I can >>>>> find a older copy of firmware? Would like to just get my radio back >>>>> running. Thanks for the help. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> *Matthew Lawson* >>>>> *KC7EQO* >>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hoping one of those will kick something loose. g. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Matthew Lawson >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Guy. I will give it a go and report back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* >>>>>>> *KC7EQO* >>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV < >>>>>>> k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The error message still sounds like version mismatch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go into your device manager and make sure there is only one device >>>>>>>> assigned to the com port used to talk to your K3 to make sure you do not >>>>>>>> have any dual use on the serial line. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Turn off any tricky stuff with com port sharing in it. The binary >>>>>>>> content of K3 firmware can easily contain an escape sequence use by com >>>>>>>> port sharing software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Try creating a brand-new down load directory. Flush your browser >>>>>>>> cache, to make sure it's not short-cutting a failed download. Then download >>>>>>>> ALL the K3 firmware into the new directory, including the K3 utility. Run >>>>>>>> the utility from the new directory and change the directory in the K3 >>>>>>>> utility for downloads to the new directory. Retry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If this sounds a little wooly, it's cause this trouble is now >>>>>>>> officially out in the weeds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Guy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Matthew Lawson >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yep all check out file size and date. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* >>>>>>>>> *KC7EQO* >>>>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV < >>>>>>>>> k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Did you double check the directories and the date stamps on the >>>>>>>>>> files? Also make sure the file lengths are the same as the source. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Guy K2AV >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Matthew Lawson >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Guy. I have a direct serial connection and a hardware >>>>>>>>>>> RS232 (no USB) I have even tried different baud rates. I open for ideas. I >>>>>>>>>>> would like to try to down grade to an older firmware, but don't see it >>>>>>>>>>> archived. My original, be fore flash, was 2.19. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* >>>>>>>>>>> *KC7EQO* >>>>>>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV < >>>>>>>>>>> k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are clerical kinds of errors that can get in the way. >>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure you are downloading to the same exact directory you are are >>>>>>>>>>>> specifying to the K3 utility. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Use a direct serial or USB/serial path from the PC to the K3 >>>>>>>>>>>> with *nothing else* in between. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can't remember all the dumb mistakes I've made or I'd give you >>>>>>>>>>>> a real list. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Guy K2AV >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Matthew Lawson >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the current one only (1.16.6.25). I don't have any >>>>>>>>>>>>> older files. just >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I have been able to download lately. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* >>>>>>>>>>>>> *KC7EQO* >>>>>>>>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R < >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R>* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Nr4c >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Do you have the last utility? >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> > ...nr4c. bill >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On Jul 17, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Matthew Lawson < >>>>>>>>>>>>> kc7eqo at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please help, went to update my K3 to the latest Firmware >>>>>>>>>>>>> (was running >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2.19) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > all updated fine until DSP1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > K3 responded with revision ??.?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number >>>>>>>>>>>>> verification failed >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 Click "Close" to close this window >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > More detailed verbose: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > LoadDspDataTableState Response "A" 0 ms >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > ResetMcuState Send "LDD20000;" >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Waiting 6 seconds for reset to complete >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > ResetMcuState Response "A" 15 ms >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > ResetMcuState Timer Elapsed 5500 ms >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DetermineSpeedState Send ";" >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DetermineSpeedState Response ";" 15 ms >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > QueryMainDspRevisionState Send "RVD;" >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > QueryMainDspRevisionState Response "RVD00.00;" 16 ms >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > K3 responded with revision ??.?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification failed >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Click "Close" to close this window >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Computer I am using has hardware RS232 ports, two of them, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> > tried >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > either one with the same results. I am using the latest K3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Utility >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 1.16.6.25. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > My K3's serial number is 01341. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Everything seems to load fine but fails the DSP1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I have tried reloading and re-downloading, rebooting, both >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer and >>>>>>>>>>>>> > K3. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I also looked into downgrading to an older firmware, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>> can not find >>>>>>>>>>>>> > an >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > older archive that goes back far enough to my working >>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration, >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2.19. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I did try what was archived and got the same results. (ftp >>>>>>>>>>>>> directory) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please help. I also searched the forums with no avail. >>>>>>>>>>>>> most were USB >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > adapter problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 73 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > This has rendered my K3 useless. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Matthew Lawson* >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *KC7EQO* >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R < >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R>* >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please help support this email list: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>>>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help support this email list: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Jul 19 16:30:29 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:30:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Buy a K3S? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <810D1209-6618-4E88-B4A9-C77B4357DA4D@widomaker.com> AKA ?Buy nice, not twice? ?bc nr4c > On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Agree fully with the suggestions. > > As to equipment, I once saw a sign in a high-end telescope shop: ?Buy the best first and cry only once.? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:46:19 -0400 > From: "Jerry Moore" > To: "'Reuben Popp'" , "'Elecraft Reflector > Reflector'" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S > Message-ID: <002201d1e1ed$d7ebf940$87c3ebc0$@carolinaheli.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I will throw my view into the mix. > > As a new Ham operator you have no idea what you want to do in the hobby > other than EVERYTHING!!! > In addition to wanting to do everything we're also most often budget limited > to some extent. > > Challenge: Weigh the desire to do everything with the most cost effective > way to get started until we know what we actually enjoy. > > Suggestions: > 1. Find a mentor (in our hobby they are called Elmers) to help you along, > get you on the air, and help you get experience to find out WHAT you ENJOY > doing in the hobby. > 2. Meet with as many hams who do different things in the hobby as you can > and ask them to show you that part of the hobby....example: HF, UHF/VHF, > EME, DX, Contesting, Different modes....etc.. > > Once you know what you ENJOY in the hobby you can best invest in the > resources to engage. > > > My world view of ham radio gear specific to Elecraft: > > Most Gear Advantage (generalizations): cheaper, simple to use/operate > (appliance operator ), may have firmware updates. > Most Gear Disadvantage (generalizations): limited to the manf. Design limits > and locked to model, firmware updates generally limited to correcting bugs > and not generally to add features/functionality. > > > Elecraft Disadvantages (my opinion and generalizations): High entry price, > operator MUST learn to use the gear, configurations can be complex and are > generally open ended > Elecraft Advantages (my opinion and generalizations): Gear is highly > adaptable to conditions and configuration based on operator demands a the > time, hardware and software upgrades (both hardware and software upgrades > have traditionally been for new features/functionality in addition to bug > fixes). > > > > > Summary: I would have been happy with a less expensive radio, however, I > would have been frustrated at the limitations. I purchased my Elecraft K3S > specifically to avoid the frustrations I've experienced with other gear in > the past. To date I've not been let down (although the cost of the options > has prevented me from doing the add-ons that would be nice to have..e.g. sub > rx, P3..etc). > > Jerry Moore > AE4PB > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 > ***************************************** > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Jul 19 16:35:05 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:35:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How difficult is it to install the FM filter ofr K3 with ... In-Reply-To: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <89ED702B-719D-42F0-A348-81EE53CB87DE@widomaker.com> Well, the FM filter for the main receiver is mounted on the main RF board. So the 2Meter module must come out, and the sub-receiver, and of course the top and front bottom panel, I also think it is easier to re-install the sub-receiver if you remove the left side panel (with handle). ?bill nr4c > On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:50 PM, mike wrote: > > I have a K3 with the 2 meter module and second receiver installed. I recently > acquired a FM filter and am wondering how difficult it would be to install > it. Mostly I guess I am looking for an idea on what steps I need to perform > and in what order. I installed the second receiver some time ago after > installing the 2 meter module and remember it was quite involved. Before I > attempt to add the FM filter I want to make sure I am up to the challenge. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 73 ..mike AI6II > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-difficult-is-it-to-install-the-FM-filter-ofr-K3-with-tp7620404.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 16:36:33 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:36:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: References: <23D65982-8D77-4EDC-9ADA-06427FB1163C@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Forgive me if I missed something .... Did you use the utility to save a backup of your radio -before- attempting the update? 73 K0PP On Jul 19, 2016 2:26 PM, "Matthew Lawson" wrote: > Well, I got a response from Elecraft, they had me clean the pins on the RF > board. This did not work and now I have been asked to ship them my radio. > :( So this looks like my attempt at getting up to date firmware and fixes > have left me with a nonworking K3, that operated fine, and I have to ship > Elecraft my radio and pay their hourly rate to bring the radio back to > life. There should be some fail safe or self checking for committing to the > update or at least a way to fall back on. For example Cisco does implement > a process like this with in their switches and routers. I wanted to update > the list on the progress and will let everyone know the outcome. > > 73 > > *Matthew Lawson* > *KC7EQO* > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > > > *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Matthew Lawson wrote: > > > LOL oh yes I plan on posting the solution when one arrives. :) > > > > *Matthew Lawson* > > *KC7EQO* > > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > > > > > > *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > > wrote: > > > >> You will tell me what finally fixes it, won't you... > >> > >> Good it's you instead of me. I would have been throwing things by now... > >> > >> > >> 73, g. > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Matthew Lawson > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks Guy, no luck on the forcing firmware. Not sure what else there > is > >>> to tell. I will be calling Elecraft tomorrow. I have also copied > support > >>> with this email. Thanks for your assistance. > >>> > >>> 73! > >>> > >>> *Matthew Lawson* > >>> *KC7EQO* > >>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > >>> > >>> > >>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Call Elecraft Tech support in the morning. One of them will recognize > >>>> this. In the meantime try the procedure for a hung firmware load > where you > >>>> force the K3 into an MCU load. > >>>> > >>>> Start the elecraft utility. Click on help. In the contents tab go down > >>>> to "troubleshooting" and click on the + sign expander. Click on > >>>> > >>>> - Forcing the K3 into "Firmware Load Required" Mode > >>>> > >>>> Follow the procedure to the letter. > >>>> > >>>> Something weird going on. > >>>> > >>>> I have this feeling that you haven't told me something that's > >>>> important, but I don't know what it might be, and you don't know it's > >>>> important, so I don't know what to ask and you don't know what to > tell. :>( > >>>> > >>>> Sorry I haven't had the answer, but fixing the stuff over the weekend > >>>> when Elecraft is closed is always a bear. > >>>> > >>>> Good Luck, Guy > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Matthew Lawson wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> No joy Guy, I have even tried a different PC running windows 7. same > >>>>> thing, fails on the DSP1 upload to the radio. Does anyone know where > I can > >>>>> find a older copy of firmware? Would like to just get my radio back > >>>>> running. Thanks for the help. > >>>>> > >>>>> 73 > >>>>> > >>>>> *Matthew Lawson* > >>>>> *KC7EQO* > >>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV < > k2av.guy at gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hoping one of those will kick something loose. g. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Matthew Lawson > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks Guy. I will give it a go and report back. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* > >>>>>>> *KC7EQO* > >>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV < > >>>>>>> k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The error message still sounds like version mismatch. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Go into your device manager and make sure there is only one device > >>>>>>>> assigned to the com port used to talk to your K3 to make sure you > do not > >>>>>>>> have any dual use on the serial line. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Turn off any tricky stuff with com port sharing in it. The binary > >>>>>>>> content of K3 firmware can easily contain an escape sequence use > by com > >>>>>>>> port sharing software. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Try creating a brand-new down load directory. Flush your browser > >>>>>>>> cache, to make sure it's not short-cutting a failed download. > Then download > >>>>>>>> ALL the K3 firmware into the new directory, including the K3 > utility. Run > >>>>>>>> the utility from the new directory and change the directory in > the K3 > >>>>>>>> utility for downloads to the new directory. Retry. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If this sounds a little wooly, it's cause this trouble is now > >>>>>>>> officially out in the weeds. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 73, Guy. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Matthew Lawson > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> yep all check out file size and date. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* > >>>>>>>>> *KC7EQO* > >>>>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R >* > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV < > >>>>>>>>> k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Did you double check the directories and the date stamps on the > >>>>>>>>>> files? Also make sure the file lengths are the same as the > source. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 73, Guy K2AV > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Matthew Lawson > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Guy. I have a direct serial connection and a hardware > >>>>>>>>>>> RS232 (no USB) I have even tried different baud rates. I open > for ideas. I > >>>>>>>>>>> would like to try to down grade to an older firmware, but > don't see it > >>>>>>>>>>> archived. My original, be fore flash, was 2.19. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* > >>>>>>>>>>> *KC7EQO* > >>>>>>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R < > http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R>* > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV < > >>>>>>>>>>> k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are clerical kinds of errors that can get in the way. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure you are downloading to the same exact directory you > are are > >>>>>>>>>>>> specifying to the K3 utility. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Use a direct serial or USB/serial path from the PC to the K3 > >>>>>>>>>>>> with *nothing else* in between. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can't remember all the dumb mistakes I've made or I'd give you > >>>>>>>>>>>> a real list. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Guy K2AV > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Matthew Lawson > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the current one only (1.16.6.25). I don't have any > >>>>>>>>>>>>> older files. just > >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I have been able to download lately. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Matthew Lawson* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *KC7EQO* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R>* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Nr4c > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Do you have the last utility? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > ...nr4c. bill > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On Jul 17, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Matthew Lawson < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> kc7eqo at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please help, went to update my K3 to the latest Firmware > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (was running > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2.19) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > all updated fine until DSP1. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > K3 responded with revision ??.?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number > >>>>>>>>>>>>> verification failed > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 00:33:01 Click "Close" to close this window > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > More detailed verbose: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > LoadDspDataTableState Response "A" 0 ms > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > ResetMcuState Send "LDD20000;" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Waiting 6 seconds for reset to complete > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > ResetMcuState Response "A" 15 ms > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > ResetMcuState Timer Elapsed 5500 ms > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DetermineSpeedState Send ";" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DetermineSpeedState Response ";" 15 ms > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > QueryMainDspRevisionState Send "RVD;" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > QueryMainDspRevisionState Response "RVD00.00;" 16 ms > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Loaded DSP1 firmware revision 02.86 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > K3 responded with revision ??.?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Error code 0xE2000046: Revision number verification > failed > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > DSP1 verification failed. Reload DSP1. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Click "Close" to close this window > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Computer I am using has hardware RS232 ports, two of > them, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > tried > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > either one with the same results. I am using the latest > K3 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Utility > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 1.16.6.25. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > My K3's serial number is 01341. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Everything seems to load fine but fails the DSP1. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I have tried reloading and re-downloading, rebooting, > both > >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > K3. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I also looked into downgrading to an older firmware, but > I > >>>>>>>>>>>>> can not find > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > an > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > older archive that goes back far enough to my working > >>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2.19. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I did try what was archived and got the same results. > (ftp > >>>>>>>>>>>>> directory) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please help. I also searched the forums with no avail. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> most were USB > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > adapter problems. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 73 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > This has rendered my K3 useless. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Matthew Lawson* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *KC7EQO* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R>* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Elecraft mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please help support this email list: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help support this email list: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From reuben.popp at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 17:04:56 2016 From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Buy a K3S? In-Reply-To: <810D1209-6618-4E88-B4A9-C77B4357DA4D@widomaker.com> References: <810D1209-6618-4E88-B4A9-C77B4357DA4D@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Er... Sorry Bill, this was meant to go to the list... So... maybe a bit foolish of me, but... it's a bit like Christmas. Don't kill me, but, I was given a very nice deal on a brand new, never used ICOM 7700 for well over half of what its current msrp is **Note, I really meant that the unit cost me well under half of what the current msrp is**. On top of that, my OT check had a very nice "bonus" from my employer. So, all told, I can get the 7700 and a KX3, and [hopefully] a KDSP2 for my K2/10 if someone on the list here has a spare (built or unbuilt) they're willing to part with. The full blown K3S will have to wait until the next big set of OT projects where the XYL doesn't lay claim to the check. Thanks everyone for their input, it's greatly appreciated :D On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Bill Conkling wrote: > AKA ?Buy nice, not twice? > > ?bc nr4c > > > > > On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > > > Agree fully with the suggestions. > > > > As to equipment, I once saw a sign in a high-end telescope shop: ?Buy > the best first and cry only once.? > > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 30 > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:46:19 -0400 > > From: "Jerry Moore" > > To: "'Reuben Popp'" , "'Elecraft Reflector > > Reflector'" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help sell me on the K3S > > Message-ID: <002201d1e1ed$d7ebf940$87c3ebc0$@carolinaheli.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I will throw my view into the mix. > > > > As a new Ham operator you have no idea what you want to do in the hobby > > other than EVERYTHING!!! > > In addition to wanting to do everything we're also most often budget > limited > > to some extent. > > > > Challenge: Weigh the desire to do everything with the most cost > effective > > way to get started until we know what we actually enjoy. > > > > Suggestions: > > 1. Find a mentor (in our hobby they are called Elmers) to help you along, > > get you on the air, and help you get experience to find out WHAT you > ENJOY > > doing in the hobby. > > 2. Meet with as many hams who do different things in the hobby as you can > > and ask them to show you that part of the hobby....example: HF, UHF/VHF, > > EME, DX, Contesting, Different modes....etc.. > > > > Once you know what you ENJOY in the hobby you can best invest in the > > resources to engage. > > > > > > My world view of ham radio gear specific to Elecraft: > > > > Most Gear Advantage (generalizations): cheaper, simple to use/operate > > (appliance operator ), may have firmware updates. > > Most Gear Disadvantage (generalizations): limited to the manf. Design > limits > > and locked to model, firmware updates generally limited to correcting > bugs > > and not generally to add features/functionality. > > > > > > Elecraft Disadvantages (my opinion and generalizations): High entry > price, > > operator MUST learn to use the gear, configurations can be complex and > are > > generally open ended > > Elecraft Advantages (my opinion and generalizations): Gear is highly > > adaptable to conditions and configuration based on operator demands a the > > time, hardware and software upgrades (both hardware and software upgrades > > have traditionally been for new features/functionality in addition to bug > > fixes). > > > > > > > > > > Summary: I would have been happy with a less expensive radio, however, I > > would have been frustrated at the limitations. I purchased my Elecraft > K3S > > specifically to avoid the frustrations I've experienced with other gear > in > > the past. To date I've not been let down (although the cost of the > options > > has prevented me from doing the add-ons that would be nice to have..e.g. > sub > > rx, P3..etc). > > > > Jerry Moore > > AE4PB > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > You must be a subscriber to post. > > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 > > ***************************************** > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to reuben.popp at gmail.com > From ae5x at juno.com Tue Jul 19 17:13:52 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:13:52 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Items for sale, QRP mostly Message-ID: <20160719.161352.29072.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2016/07/qrp-other-items-for-sale.html John AE5X ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. 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Get online in minutes. > Starting at only $9.95 per month! > www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wmgoins at gmail.com > From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:17:25 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:17:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Filters F/S Message-ID: Surplus to my needs I currently have the following filters available: KFL3A-2.1K KFL3A-1.8K KFL3A-6K Sell for $105 each shipped Priority Mail upon receipt of funds. PayPal only please. 73, Mike - W0AG From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 19:33:35 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does the K-pod work with the K3/0 mini in remote operations? Mike W0AG From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 20:06:57 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:06:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message Message-ID: After removing one filter from my subRx and moving the remaining filter (2.8) to position #1, I'm now getting and ERR BP3 on start up. Before I open everything up again and remove the KRX3, SUBIN and SUBOUT boards and reset everything as detailed in the manual, is there anything else I should be doing to troubleshoot? It's obviously a problem with the SubRx, but I thought I was being ultra cautious during the disassembly/assembly process, including use of static protection precautions. Any suggestions will be appreciated! 73, Mike - W0AG From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Jul 19 20:42:41 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:42:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <006401d1e1fa$02f158e0$08d40aa0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> <006401d1e1fa$02f158e0$08d40aa0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: I have forgotten so much over the years, but I am left with the understanding that gold against gold does not suffer metal migration. Now dirt is another ballgame. And so is condensation. As the name 'DeoxIT' suggests oxidation to me, I answered the way I did. I don't think gold oxidizes. Dick, n0ce On 7/19/2016 3:13 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: > The contact doesn't exist in a vacuum and is thus potentially exposed to > whatever exists in the air at that location. Over time, regardless, the > connections may require maintenance. > Example: I flew as Aircrew for the Navy. Most of our gear was sealed. Even > being sealed a re-seat of a circuit card or cleaning of the edge fingers > often brought faulted gear back into functional status. > Perhaps if we create d a vacuum around our gear it wouldn't be as much of an > issue? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Richard Fjeld > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:46 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit > > It is my opinion that with gold plated contacts, nothing should be needed. > > It is also my opinion **never** to touch gold plated contacts. > > (I keep some Caig DeoxIT on hand.) > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/18/2016 10:50 PM, Rich Assarabowski wrote: >> What's the consensus on the best stuff to use on all contacts and >> connections during assembly of a new K3? Caig DeoxIT Gold G-series >> (formerly ProGold)? Stabilant 22A? Something else? >> >> --- Rich K1CC >> >> > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 19 21:21:26 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:21:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12f8fdf0-985f-24d4-c198-40dd22f1e3ca@elecraft.com> Not at this time. It takes a bit of work to get it there, so we can't promise it near term. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/19/2016 4:33 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > Does the K-pod work with the K3/0 mini in remote operations? > > Mike W0AG From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 21:25:13 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:25:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod In-Reply-To: <12f8fdf0-985f-24d4-c198-40dd22f1e3ca@elecraft.com> References: <12f8fdf0-985f-24d4-c198-40dd22f1e3ca@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks Eric!!! On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > Not at this time. It takes a bit of work to get it there, so we can't > promise it near term. > > 73, > > Eric > *elecraft.com * > > On 7/19/2016 4:33 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > > Does the K-pod work with the K3/0 mini in remote operations? > > Mike W0AG > > From ron at cobi.biz Tue Jul 19 23:02:16 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:02:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <5e76d8b0-82d8-e76c-ebdc-78052ea95b94@windstream.net> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> <5e76d8b0-82d8-e76c-ebdc-78052ea95b94@windstream.net> Message-ID: <007801d1e233$1f8dc810$5ea95830$@biz> Instead of buying a new adapter, you might consider upgrading your K3 with a KIO3B interface board that contains a built-in USB port. There are several other enhancements in the KIO3B that may make it a "no-brainer" upgrade! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jan Ditzian Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:26 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter Don, Thank you for the suggestions. I do not have another FTDI cable, but it seems that this is the way to go, and I can order one from Elecraft (since I understand that cheaper alternatives my result in a cable that is incompatible with recent drivers). As for why the serial to serial did not work: I also had a size adapter in there, so that may have been at fault. The most straightforward test would be replacement. If that works, I will contact MDS for a replacement converter as well. Thank you, Jan, KX2A On 7/18/2016 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jan, > > The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with > a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial > device connected to the questionable converter cable. > > Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces > as well as USB interfaces. > > Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good > USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI > chipset. > > If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, > see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter > is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, > multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting > we assume only a single failure. > > You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 > breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to > understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be > helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that > testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was > more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/18/2016 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: >> I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an >> Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened >> during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS >> rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a >> serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can >> tell that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with >> another computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I >> also tried a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first >> computer, which has a serial port, and was also unable to >> communicate. I am now unsure of the location of the problem. I am >> willing to go with whatever works. >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7688 / Virus Database: 4627/12638 - Release Date: > 07/18/16 > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Jul 19 23:05:46 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:05:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <49914997-f201-638f-123c-bf3dac4584b6@gmail.com> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> <49914997-f201-638f-123c-bf3dac4584b6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007901d1e233$9c9d50a0$d5d7f1e0$@biz> Absolutely. I had some "strangeness" occur with a Compaq laptop a number of years ago and support instructed me to remove the battery for a full minute (they have a "supercapacitor" that must fully discharge) and it fixed the problem. Subsequently I ran into that with my XYLs Toshiba laptop which was restored the same way. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter A multitude of USB 'sins' can often be cured by a complete powering down of the computer, including pulling the power cord (on desktops) and removing the battery (laptops). A soft reboot doesn't always reset the hardware but 10+ seconds of zero power to them usually does. In this condition, the only power in the computer is the RTC battery. All this test costs is time and most of the time, it works here. Then make sure that the OS hasn't assigned it/them a new port value (com2 instead of com5). You may have to use Device Manager in Windoze to force it to accepting the value you want. This is why when I built the shack computer, I went back to using real serial ports, which are far more stable. Good luck. Rick nhc On 7/18/2016 4:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jan, > > The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with > a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial > device connected to the questionable converter cable. > > Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces > as well as USB interfaces. > > Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good > USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI > chipset. > > If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, > see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter > is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, > multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting > we assume only a single failure. > > You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 > breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to > understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be > helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that > testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was > more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/18/2016 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: >> I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an >> Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened >> during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS >> rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a >> serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can >> tell that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with >> another computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I >> also tried a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first >> computer, which has a serial port, and was also unable to >> communicate. I am now unsure of the location of the problem. I am >> willing to go with whatever works. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wa6nhc at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Jul 19 23:11:03 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:11:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> References: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> Message-ID: <007a01d1e234$59a04ef0$0ce0ecd0$@biz> I have only used deoxit because the little bottle I bought a decade ago is not nearly exhausted. It works great and contacts cleaned with it have continued to work for years afterward, even aboard ships where they are exposed to salty air (but not salt water). However other formulations or brands may work better. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich Assarabowski Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 8:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit What's the consensus on the best stuff to use on all contacts and connections during assembly of a new K3? Caig DeoxIT Gold G-series (formerly ProGold)? Stabilant 22A? Something else? --- Rich K1CC >I cleaned the connector and I put few drops of Stabilant 22A and the problem >seems resolved. My friend VE2OLM have a PCB design and assembly shop. >He need sometime to rework some boards and he need use that stuff to >correct the problem. Also use by NATO > >http://stabilant.com/appnt01.php ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Jul 19 23:12:55 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <007d01d1e189$8c7ebba0$a57c32e0$@co.uk> References: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> <007d01d1e189$8c7ebba0$a57c32e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <007b01d1e234$9c9a9c10$d5cfd430$@biz> Quite so. I used deoxit in a small 2 oz bottle with a thin syringe-like tube applicator that puts a very tiny amount on the contact. That's all it takes. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian White Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 11:48 PM To: 'Rich Assarabowski'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit Where available, a clear gel product called Contralube 770 also works well (www.contralube.com ). Back when Deoxit was more difficult to buy in Europe, I used Contralube 770 to cure intermittent contacts on all of the multi-way front panel connectors, which have given no further trouble for 7 years. Like all of these products, a little goes a very long way. To apply a small, controlled amount onto inline multi-way connector pins, first apply a thin layer onto the edge of a piece of card, and use that to wipe the lubricant onto the pins. **USE STRONG ANTI-STATIC PRECAUTIONS** These internal interconnections are completely unprotected against static charges! 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Rich Assarabowski >Sent: 19 July 2016 04:50 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] deoxit > >What's the consensus on the best stuff to use on all contacts and >connections during assembly of a new K3? Caig DeoxIT Gold G-series >(formerly ProGold)? Stabilant 22A? Something else? > >--- Rich K1CC > >>I cleaned the connector and I put few drops of Stabilant 22A and the >problem >>seems resolved. My friend VE2OLM have a PCB design and assembly shop. >He >>need sometime to rework some boards and he need use that stuff to >correct >>the problem. Also use by NATO >> >>http://stabilant.com/appnt01.php > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Jul 19 23:18:47 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:18:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K POD macros In-Reply-To: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> References: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> Message-ID: <007c01d1e235$6e545660$4afd0320$@biz> Hi Jeff: M1 is accessed by SWT21;, M2 - SWT32;, M3 - SWT35; SWT10; moves you one band up. SWT09; moves you one band down. You can use the memories to go direct to a band, or use the direct frequency entry. I have submitted a two page summary of all of these commands for approval in the next update of the Owner's manual. Hopefully they can be made available here or on the web page in the meantime. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Griffin Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:52 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K POD macros I'm happily writing some macros for my K Pod and not finding a way to access front panel controls like M1. Is there a way to access M1 from the K POD? Also does anyone have a macro to share that emulates a band select function? Thanks. 73 Jeff kb2m ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 20 00:03:02 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:03:02 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: <007901d1e233$9c9d50a0$d5d7f1e0$@biz> References: <6943eab3-eb48-ba91-e793-f44735f8e791@windstream.net> <11998697-7c48-c0dd-a217-0e435180b9a8@embarqmail.com> <49914997-f201-638f-123c-bf3dac4584b6@gmail.com> <007901d1e233$9c9d50a0$d5d7f1e0$@biz> Message-ID: <00fd01d1e23b$9d71be00$d8553a00$@sbcglobal.net> I have solved problems with my laptops in the past as Ron describes. However, take note that most laptops today do not have removable batteries or DVD/Blue Ray drives. All in an effort to make the laptops thinner. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:06 AM To: 'Rick WA6NHC' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter Absolutely. I had some "strangeness" occur with a Compaq laptop a number of years ago and support instructed me to remove the battery for a full minute (they have a "supercapacitor" that must fully discharge) and it fixed the problem. Subsequently I ran into that with my XYLs Toshiba laptop which was restored the same way. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter A multitude of USB 'sins' can often be cured by a complete powering down of the computer, including pulling the power cord (on desktops) and removing the battery (laptops). A soft reboot doesn't always reset the hardware but 10+ seconds of zero power to them usually does. In this condition, the 10+ only power in the computer is the RTC battery. All this test costs is time and most of the time, it works here. Then make sure that the OS hasn't assigned it/them a new port value (com2 instead of com5). You may have to use Device Manager in Windoze to force it to accepting the value you want. This is why when I built the shack computer, I went back to using real serial ports, which are far more stable. Good luck. Rick nhc On 7/18/2016 4:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jan, > > The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with > a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial > device connected to the questionable converter cable. > > Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces > as well as USB interfaces. > > Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good > USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI > chipset. > > If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, > see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter > is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, > multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting > we assume only a single failure. > > You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 > breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to > understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be > helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that > testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was > more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/18/2016 6:36 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: >> I have a K3 that lost communication with my computer. It uses an >> Elecraft serial-to-USB converter and cable. This probably happened >> during a known power surge. I also lost communication to my MDS >> rotor, which uses a built-in USB cable, which I believe may also be a >> serial-to-USB arrangement. I checked things out a bit, and I can >> tell that my USB ports all seem to work. I also tried the K3 with >> another computer and was unable to communicate with it. However, I >> also tried a direct serial-to-serial cable from the K3 to the first >> computer, which has a serial port, and was also unable to >> communicate. I am now unsure of the location of the problem. I am >> willing to go with whatever works. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wa6nhc at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From kc7eqo at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 00:08:44 2016 From: kc7eqo at gmail.com (Matthew Lawson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: References: <23D65982-8D77-4EDC-9ADA-06427FB1163C@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Well, Howard was able to send me FW 2.19 and I had a successful flash to the K3. Now I tried to jumped from version 2.19 to 5.38, is there a bug in jumping this far? Is there a DSP hardware revision that may have an issue with current version of firmware (older radio, 1st gen, etc...?)??? Anyways my rig is back from being a brick, and is working again. YEAH!!! An observation on this, I accidentally tried to push just the DSP1 Firmware from 2.19 with 5.38 MCU still installed but it would fail, saw my error and corrected it and had a successfully flash when the 2.19 MCU was installed first. This made me wonder if this was part of the problem with the update. Is there some sort of version check with the DSP1 to MCU? I am wanting to try an incremental update from 2.19, but older firmware is not published. Wanted to keep the list updated on whats been happening and thank you for all your support in this. 73 *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Matthew Lawson wrote: > I did save the configuration. I thought this was separate from the > firmware. I don't see where to back up just the firmware. It's ju a thought > the dsp1 that fails. > > On Jul 19, 2016 1:43 PM, "Ken G Kopp" wrote: > > Saving the radio's configuration is always a good idea, even if no "event" > is expected. No telling when "something" may happen. (;-) > > 73! > > K0PP > > > From sndtubes at vacuumtubes.com Wed Jul 20 01:12:38 2016 From: sndtubes at vacuumtubes.com (sndtubes) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:12:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 display blank Message-ID: I was using the KPA500 tonight and all of a sudden the info display went blank. ?Everything else is fine. ?Puts out full power, talks to the K3, buttons change bands. ?Power cycle did not help. ?Disconnecting the K3 data cables didn't help. ?Any ideas? 73 Mike WB0SND Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphon From kb2m at arrl.net Wed Jul 20 08:02:18 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:02:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K POD macros In-Reply-To: <007c01d1e235$6e545660$4afd0320$@biz> References: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> <007c01d1e235$6e545660$4afd0320$@biz> Message-ID: <012a01d1e27e$9112cc60$b3386520$@net> Thanks to all for the macro help. Like a good boy I found the time to read more slowly through the programmers reference and all is now well. Only problem I have now is trying to remember what macro is associated with what button, and is it tap or hold??? 73 Jeff kb2m I'm happily writing some macros for my K Pod and not finding a way to access front panel controls like M1. Is there a way to access M1 from the K POD? Also does anyone have a macro to share that emulates a band select function? Thanks. 73 Jeff kb2m From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Wed Jul 20 08:52:34 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:52:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 K POD macros In-Reply-To: <012a01d1e27e$9112cc60$b3386520$@net> References: <03c101d1e1cd$1575c500$40614f00$@net> <007c01d1e235$6e545660$4afd0320$@biz> <012a01d1e27e$9112cc60$b3386520$@net> Message-ID: <8fe811eb-bd4e-d5db-3a0b-ff7ee17e0168@Bayland.net> I use some small yellow labels printed off a Brother P-Touch alongside each button. Also use those labels on all the wires in my wireless station here! ;-) 73 Dwight NS9I On 7/20/2016 7:02 AM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > Thanks to all for the macro help. Like a good boy I found the time to read > more slowly through the programmers reference and all is now well. Only > problem I have now is trying to remember what macro is associated with what > button, and is it tap or hold??? > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > I'm happily writing some macros for my K Pod and not finding a way to access > front panel controls like M1. Is there a way to access M1 from the K POD? > Also does anyone have a macro to share that emulates a band select function? > Thanks. > > > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From tom at nilza.org Wed Jul 20 10:20:52 2016 From: tom at nilza.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:20:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: References: <578C7FAA.7070803@sonic.net> <168f7c4b-70a0-1fce-73c5-7dd5e0dfb3b1@nilza.org> Message-ID: Hi Jim, On 7/19/2016 12:51 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Remember that whether or not you hear more noise with the system running > will depend on how much OTHER noise there is in your neighborhood. Some > (many?) of us have background noise in the range of S8, others in the > range of S3. The difference is 25 dB. Good point. When not in Monsoon season my K3 S meter is around S2 with my 160 meter inverted V up about 50 ft with about 150 ft of RG8 type coax. Right now jumps up much higher during static crashes but storms all around us. We live in a rural area long way from high voltage power lines and perhaps from plasma TVs and electric fences. > It's worth looking for a quiet MPPT charge regulator. Just like any > other electronics that generate or use square waves, it can be done well > or it can be done badly. Since badly is cheaper, and done well requires > more technical design expertise, badly is by far the most common. The > Genasun regulators are pretty quiet, but so far, they only make units > for much smaller systems. I'll keep looking for quiet MPPT charge controllers. My battery bank is 1200 amp-hr at 12 volts. Thanks! 73, tom w7sua > > 73, Jim K9YC > From eschuller at ymail.com Wed Jul 20 10:47:03 2016 From: eschuller at ymail.com (eschuller at ymail.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:47:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod D1-D4 programming Message-ID: <9C4CEC66-340F-4B59-AFBE-BA2DC7E29A2D@ymail.com> I have looked through the K-POD manual and the programmers guide and find nothing about programming the D1-D4 LEDs on the pod. Did I miss it? If not, how do I do this? It would be handy to assign the lights to some functions! Thanks! 73, Ed K6CTA Sent from my iPhone From kevin at k4vd.net Wed Jul 20 11:52:10 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:52:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NPOTA NP51 Activation (KX3 and K1) Message-ID: Detrick (KI4STU) with his K1 and I with the KX3 took off work on Monday and headed up to Dickey Ridge on Skyline Drive in the Shenandoah National Park (NP51). We were both on battery power. CW was the mode of choice. The antennas were end-fed - Detrick's some odd-ball thingy and mine an LNR EF-40/20 (no counterpoise). Basically the same setup we used on FD but trimmed down significantly for mobility and quick setup. We were able to activate NP51 with 12 CW QSOs in about 2 hours. There were some tricky parts. The end-fed thingy Detrick had would not tune until we swapped out the coax. The guess is either the original coax is bad or the length of the coax was contributing to the high SWR. Waiting to find out the results. Detrick normally runs the antenna directly to binding posts. Checking the weather in the morning it all looked clear. Then came the dangerous wind and hail alerts and it was all we could do to get everything back to the cars before the downpour. Weather changes quick! I uploaded the QSLs to LoTW and hope I did it right, creating a new location for the park. eQSL is all kinds of messed up but I'm losing my patience with that service anyway. I'm not sure if I should expect something back from the ARRL concerning the activation or just assume all went well. GNATS, GNATS and damn GNATS! Then we went to Spelunkers for some Cavern Burgers and all was good in the world again. I'm absolutely enjoying the KX3. My go-bag is a little Nikon camera bag containing the KX3 with side panels and cover, Begali Adventure paddles, mic (unused), EF-40/20 antenna, Sony in-ear phones, spool of mason line, short coax, mini-log and notepad, pen, pencil, 15Ah LiFePO4 (not used for this trip). There's also copy of my license in a pouch. It is freedom in a bag. Next trip... bug spray. To top off the good news, our new little crew - Barred Owl Radio Club (BORC) was just issued W4OWL. We named our group for the fledgling begging call that kept us away all night on FD (yep, we slept). You can find that wonderful sound of nature right here: https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Barred_Owl/sounds. Scroll on down to the bottom for pure listening e??njoyment. If you don't get the impression of a spike being driven into your ears you don't have the volume high enough. 73, Kev K4VD From pubx1 at af2z.net Wed Jul 20 11:57:59 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:57:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <578F9F87.60907@af2z.net> I have approx 35 firmware zips from 2.10 through 5.01. This isn't the complete set; only the ones for which I was interested in upgrading some feature on my K3. You can have them if you want but as far as I know installing intermediate revisions is not required. 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/20/16 00:08, Matthew Lawson wrote: > Well, Howard was able to send me FW 2.19 and I had a successful flash to > the K3. > > Now I tried to jumped from version 2.19 to 5.38, is there a bug in jumping > this far? Is there a DSP hardware revision that may have an issue with > current version of firmware (older radio, 1st gen, etc...?)??? > > Anyways my rig is back from being a brick, and is working again. YEAH!!! > > An observation on this, I accidentally tried to push just the DSP1 Firmware > from 2.19 with 5.38 MCU still installed but it would fail, saw my error and > corrected it and had a successfully flash when the 2.19 MCU was installed > first. This made me wonder if this was part of the problem with the update. > Is there some sort of version check with the DSP1 to MCU? > > I am wanting to try an incremental update from 2.19, but older firmware is > not published. > > Wanted to keep the list updated on whats been happening and thank you for > all your support in this. > > 73 > > *Matthew Lawson* > *KC7EQO* > *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* > > From coldfusionzero at icloud.com Wed Jul 20 12:17:21 2016 From: coldfusionzero at icloud.com (Terry Lewis) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:17:21 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 with wspr program Message-ID: Hi, I have tried but been unsuccessful with getting wspr to work with my kx2. I'm on the right com port (4) it's the only one I can see. Tried the k3 and k2 from the wspr settings drop down menu, set the rate to the same as radio 4800. Has anyone got their kx2 working and if so could you let me know what kind of settings or what to sort, I have used it with my ts590s no problem but the kx2 just doesn't want to run. I have Realtek sound card, win7, using the usb cable that was supplied with the radio. Thanks for your help, Regards, Terry. MW0ZUS From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Wed Jul 20 12:33:51 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:33:51 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner Message-ID: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> Hi group, Perhaps it's a silly question, but i don't understand something. I have a K2 100 watt but I don't think any other set will make a deferens. the set is connected to a tuner (AT-100Pro LDG) and it tunes as far as I can see ok. But now what I notice, when I tune the tuner tunes to swr 1.1 so that seems to be ok, but my K2 gives me 2.0 1. Does that mean my K2 sees a swr from2.0 whil my tuner says it is 1.0 ?? I just don't understand this so perhaps somebody can explane. Regards William PE1BSB K2 K3 P3 KX3 From n2bc at stny.rr.com Wed Jul 20 12:53:28 2016 From: n2bc at stny.rr.com (Bill Coleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:53:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100 & P3 (Update) Message-ID: <80b4bdc3-ed21-db62-55e8-92458858bb41@stny.rr.com> Elecraft K3/100 with KAT3A, 2.7kHz filter, 700Hz filter (INRAD), 400Hz filter, PR6 preamp, KSYNTH3A upgrade. Elecraft P3 Panadapter with SVGA and TXMON (2KW sensor). High Serial numbers (K3:86xx, P3:25xx). No scratches, non-smoker. Package deal only, 7/20: PRICE REDUCED asking $3500 for both, plus shipping & insurance from 13850. THX Bill N2BC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 13:26:42 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: William, Are you reading the K2 display correctly when you do a TUNE? Normally the K2 displays the power on the left and the SWR on the right. The power is normally 20 watts and the SWR will be shown as 2 digits (1.0 through 9.9). In other words, you will see something like "20 1.0". If the KPA100 wattmeter is not indicating properly, it may be that diodes D16 and D17 have become damaged, or it may just be that the wattmeter needs to be balanced and calibrated. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 12:33 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > Hi group, > > Perhaps it's a silly question, but i don't understand something. > > I have a K2 100 watt but I don't think any other set will make a deferens. > the set is connected to a tuner (AT-100Pro LDG) and it tunes as far as I can > see ok. > > But now what I notice, when I tune the tuner tunes to swr 1.1 so that seems > to be ok, but my K2 gives me 2.0 1. > > Does that mean my K2 sees a swr from2.0 whil my tuner says it is 1.0 ?? > From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Wed Jul 20 13:41:41 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:41:41 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> Thanks Don fort he answer, The display is ok I just did not put every thing there It says : 20 2.0 - 1 So I enderstand that as a swr of 2.0 ??? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 19:27 Aan: William at zendamateur.nl ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner William, Are you reading the K2 display correctly when you do a TUNE? Normally the K2 displays the power on the left and the SWR on the right. The power is normally 20 watts and the SWR will be shown as 2 digits (1.0 through 9.9). In other words, you will see something like "20 1.0". If the KPA100 wattmeter is not indicating properly, it may be that diodes D16 and D17 have become damaged, or it may just be that the wattmeter needs to be balanced and calibrated. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 12:33 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > Hi group, > > Perhaps it's a silly question, but i don't understand something. > > I have a K2 100 watt but I don't think any other set will make a deferens. > the set is connected to a tuner (AT-100Pro LDG) and it tunes as far as > I can see ok. > > But now what I notice, when I tune the tuner tunes to swr 1.1 so that seems > to be ok, but my K2 gives me 2.0 1. > > Does that mean my K2 sees a swr from2.0 whil my tuner says it is 1.0 ?? > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 13:49:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:49:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> William, Thanks for that clarification. Connect the KPA100 to a good dummy load and do the wattmeter alignment and calibration as indicated in the KPA100 manual page 48 - see the SWR Bridge Null Adjustment and also the Power Calibration sections. You must do the bridge null before attempting the Power Calibration. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 1:41 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > Thanks Don fort he answer, > > The display is ok > > I just did not put every thing there > > It says : 20 2.0 - 1 > > So I enderstand that as a swr of 2.0 ??? > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 19:27 > Aan: William at zendamateur.nl ; > Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner > > William, > > Are you reading the K2 display correctly when you do a TUNE? > Normally the K2 displays the power on the left and the SWR on the right. > The power is normally 20 watts and the SWR will be shown as 2 digits > (1.0 through 9.9). > In other words, you will see something like "20 1.0". > > If the KPA100 wattmeter is not indicating properly, it may be that diodes > D16 and D17 have become damaged, or it may just be that the wattmeter needs > to be balanced and calibrated. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/20/2016 12:33 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: >> Hi group, >> >> Perhaps it's a silly question, but i don't understand something. >> >> I have a K2 100 watt but I don't think any other set will make a > deferens. >> the set is connected to a tuner (AT-100Pro LDG) and it tunes as far as >> I can see ok. >> >> But now what I notice, when I tune the tuner tunes to swr 1.1 so that > seems >> to be ok, but my K2 gives me 2.0 1. >> >> Does that mean my K2 sees a swr from2.0 whil my tuner says it is 1.0 ?? >> > > > From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Wed Jul 20 14:02:12 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:02:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> When i just connect a 50 ohm dummy tot he K2 it says 20 1.0 - 1 So I think it is right calibrated :-) Regards William -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 19:50 Aan: William at zendamateur.nl ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner William, Thanks for that clarification. Connect the KPA100 to a good dummy load and do the wattmeter alignment and calibration as indicated in the KPA100 manual page 48 - see the SWR Bridge Null Adjustment and also the Power Calibration sections. You must do the bridge null before attempting the Power Calibration. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 1:41 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > Thanks Don fort he answer, > > The display is ok > > I just did not put every thing there > > It says : 20 2.0 - 1 > > So I enderstand that as a swr of 2.0 ??? > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 19:27 > Aan: William at zendamateur.nl ; > Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner > > William, > > Are you reading the K2 display correctly when you do a TUNE? > Normally the K2 displays the power on the left and the SWR on the right. > The power is normally 20 watts and the SWR will be shown as 2 digits > (1.0 through 9.9). > In other words, you will see something like "20 1.0". > > If the KPA100 wattmeter is not indicating properly, it may be that > diodes > D16 and D17 have become damaged, or it may just be that the wattmeter > needs to be balanced and calibrated. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/20/2016 12:33 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: >> Hi group, >> >> Perhaps it's a silly question, but i don't understand something. >> >> I have a K2 100 watt but I don't think any other set will make a > deferens. >> the set is connected to a tuner (AT-100Pro LDG) and it tunes as far >> as I can see ok. >> >> But now what I notice, when I tune the tuner tunes to swr 1.1 so that > seems >> to be ok, but my K2 gives me 2.0 1. >> >> Does that mean my K2 sees a swr from2.0 whil my tuner says it is 1.0 ?? >> > > > From ron at cobi.biz Wed Jul 20 14:19:16 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:19:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod questions (unanswered) In-Reply-To: <3da815c5-bfc5-56d0-bf7a-3c0d5a8098ee@triconet.org> References: <3da815c5-bfc5-56d0-bf7a-3c0d5a8098ee@triconet.org> Message-ID: <001601d1e2b3$3a5e7fb0$af1b7f10$@biz> Hi Wes: Currently the K-Pod LEDs work as described. Functionality is being added to the K-Pod that, as a mere "scribe" I don't have yet but have been asked to include tidbits such as the LEDs being programmable. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 10:04 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod questions (unanswered) I'm teetering on the fence about buying one of these or not. I've sent the following directly to Elecraft but haven't received an answer. Perhaps someone else can help. The K-Pod manual mentions LEDs D1-D4 are programmable then goes on to say that D1-D3 are used already. Please clarify and tell me how one would program them. Also there are Aux outputs mentioned, but only in passing. What is the How, What, Where..." The Shipping Status page is out of date. How long ARO is shipping? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 14:28:04 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:28:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> William, That indicates that either you have a bad coax between the K2 and the tuner, or the tuner's SWR meter has a problem. If you have an antenna analyzer, connect it to the same coax that you connect to the K2 and see what it indicates. It may be that the KPA100 wattmeter could stand some refinement, but that would take some special dummy loads - I use a 25 ohm and a 100 ohm dummy load to refine the setting of capacitor C1 - the SWR indication should be the *same* for each of these loads if C1 is set to exactly the null point. That is more precise than finding the voltage null. After doing that adjustment, I set R27 to show SWR at the 2.0-1 point and then set R26 to indicate the power while driving a 50 ohm dummy load and an external wattmeter that I know is properly calibrated. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 2:02 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > When i just connect a 50 ohm dummy tot he K2 it says 20 1.0 - 1 > > So I think it is right calibrated :-) > > Regards William > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 19:50 > Aan: William at zendamateur.nl ; > Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner > > William, > > Thanks for that clarification. Connect the KPA100 to a good dummy load and > do the wattmeter alignment and calibration as indicated in the > KPA100 manual page 48 - see the SWR Bridge Null Adjustment and also the > Power Calibration sections. > You must do the bridge null before attempting the Power Calibration. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/20/2016 1:41 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: >> Thanks Don fort he answer, >> >> The display is ok >> >> I just did not put every thing there >> >> It says : 20 2.0 - 1 >> >> So I enderstand that as a swr of 2.0 ??? >> >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] >> Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 19:27 >> Aan: William at zendamateur.nl ; >> Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner >> >> William, >> >> Are you reading the K2 display correctly when you do a TUNE? >> Normally the K2 displays the power on the left and the SWR on the right. >> The power is normally 20 watts and the SWR will be shown as 2 digits >> (1.0 through 9.9). >> In other words, you will see something like "20 1.0". >> >> If the KPA100 wattmeter is not indicating properly, it may be that >> diodes >> D16 and D17 have become damaged, or it may just be that the wattmeter >> needs to be balanced and calibrated. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/20/2016 12:33 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: >>> Hi group, >>> >>> Perhaps it's a silly question, but i don't understand something. >>> >>> I have a K2 100 watt but I don't think any other set will make a >> deferens. >>> the set is connected to a tuner (AT-100Pro LDG) and it tunes as far >>> as I can see ok. >>> >>> But now what I notice, when I tune the tuner tunes to swr 1.1 so that >> seems >>> to be ok, but my K2 gives me 2.0 1. >>> >>> Does that mean my K2 sees a swr from2.0 whil my tuner says it is 1.0 ?? >>> >> >> > > > From ab2tc at arrl.net Wed Jul 20 14:38:16 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:38:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1469039896569-7620440.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, I can think of one other *possible* explanation, although far fetched. If the K2 transmitter has excessive harmonics or parasitics, this could happen. The out of band energy is readily absorbed by the dummy load but not by the tuned load presented by the LDG tuner. The antenna analyzer should easily resolve this. AB2TC - Knut Don Wilhelm wrote > William, > > That indicates that either you have a bad coax between the K2 and the > tuner, or the tuner's SWR meter has a problem. > > If you have an antenna analyzer, connect it to the same coax that you > connect to the K2 and see what it indicates. > > It may be that the KPA100 wattmeter could stand some refinement, but > that would take some special dummy loads - I use a 25 ohm and a 100 ohm > dummy load to refine the setting of capacitor C1 - the SWR indication > should be the *same* for each of these loads if C1 is set to exactly the > null point. That is more precise than finding the voltage null. > After doing that adjustment, I set R27 to show SWR at the 2.0-1 point > and then set R26 to indicate the power while driving a 50 ohm dummy load > and an external wattmeter that I know is properly calibrated. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-automatic-tuner-tp7620433p7620440.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From detrick at merzhaus.org Wed Jul 20 14:56:02 2016 From: detrick at merzhaus.org (Detrick Merz) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:56:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NPOTA NP51 Activation (KX3 and K1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Results are in! Test #1: dummy load connected directly to the antenna analyzer Result: 1:1 SWR Test #2: dummy to PL259 barrel to coax to antenna analyzer Result: 1:1 SWR The coax ain't bad. The "odd ball thingy" is an 84' "random wire" with a 17' counterpoise. The use of coax was an attempt to separate our antennas a bit more than we had done during FD, since we had experienced a bit of interference from each other. No interference for the NPOTA activation so maybe the separation helped something. I think I (still) like that K1 almost as much as Kev likes his KX3. -detrick KI4STU On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > Detrick (KI4STU) with his K1 and I with the KX3 took off work on Monday and > headed up to Dickey Ridge on Skyline Drive in the Shenandoah National Park > (NP51). We were both on battery power. CW was the mode of choice. The > antennas were end-fed - Detrick's some odd-ball thingy and mine an LNR > EF-40/20 (no counterpoise). Basically the same setup we used on FD but > trimmed down significantly for mobility and quick setup. > > We were able to activate NP51 with 12 CW QSOs in about 2 hours. > > There were some tricky parts. > > The end-fed thingy Detrick had would not tune until we swapped out the > coax. The guess is either the original coax is bad or the length of the > coax was contributing to the high SWR. Waiting to find out the results. > Detrick normally runs the antenna directly to binding posts. > > Checking the weather in the morning it all looked clear. Then came the > dangerous wind and hail alerts and it was all we could do to get everything > back to the cars before the downpour. Weather changes quick! > > I uploaded the QSLs to LoTW and hope I did it right, creating a new > location for the park. eQSL is all kinds of messed up but I'm losing my > patience with that service anyway. I'm not sure if I should expect > something back from the ARRL concerning the activation or just assume all > went well. > > GNATS, GNATS and damn GNATS! > > Then we went to Spelunkers for some Cavern Burgers and all was good in the > world again. > > I'm absolutely enjoying the KX3. My go-bag is a little Nikon camera bag > containing the KX3 with side panels and cover, Begali Adventure paddles, > mic (unused), EF-40/20 antenna, Sony in-ear phones, spool of mason line, > short coax, mini-log and notepad, pen, pencil, 15Ah LiFePO4 (not used for > this trip). There's also copy of my license in a pouch. It is freedom in a > bag. > > Next trip... bug spray. > > To top off the good news, our new little crew - Barred Owl Radio Club > (BORC) was just issued W4OWL. We named our group for the fledgling begging > call that kept us away all night on FD (yep, we slept). You can find that > wonderful sound of nature right here: > https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Barred_Owl/sounds. Scroll on down to > the bottom for pure listening e??njoyment. If you don't get the impression > of a spike being driven into your ears you don't have the volume high > enough. > > 73, > Kev K4VD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to detrick at merzhaus.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:04:06 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:04:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <1469039896569-7620440.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> <1469039896569-7620440.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <90c5a82c-1bf2-dbfc-29a2-9bbff980d7f1@embarqmail.com> Knut and all, I do agree with that *and* if the band is 40 meters *and* if the KPA100 is not the latest design T/R switch it is entirely possible that there could be a spurious response above the 40 meter band during the time it takes to do the antenna tuning - this may cause the ATU to tune the antenna somewhere above the 40 meter band. There is also the possibility that RFC10 (on the back of the SO-239 jack) is coupling with the base K2 - and that condition is worse if the shield is the older one with a wide notch above the SO-239 jack and no solder lugs from the SO-239 jack to the top of the shield. I am not saying that the problem is restricted to 40 meters, only that it is more apparent on 40 than on other bands. If the KPA100 has the older red core toroids at L15 and L16, it should be updated with the KPA100MDKT because that mod was created to address exactly that problem. If the shield needs updated, the KPA100SHLDKT is available. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 2:38 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I can think of one other *possible* explanation, although far fetched. If > the K2 transmitter has excessive harmonics or parasitics, this could happen. > The out of band energy is readily absorbed by the dummy load but not by the > tuned load presented by the LDG tuner. The antenna analyzer should easily > resolve this. > > From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Wed Jul 20 15:18:26 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:18:26 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <90c5a82c-1bf2-dbfc-29a2-9bbff980d7f1@embarqmail.com> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> <1469039896569-7620440.post@n2.nabble.com> <90c5a82c-1bf2-dbfc-29a2-9bbff980d7f1@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <01e401d1e2bb$7d7275b0$78576110$@zendamateur.nl> Ok Don and Knut, Its getting better :-) I tryed a antenne analyzer, gives me the same as my K2, so I think K2 is fine. The AT-100 ( just bought it second hand, has two antenna connectors wich I can switch. Put a dummy on the other port then switched an tune the dummy 20 1.0 - 1 so looks ok Did the same with connectors reversed so antenne 1 is antenne 2 again 20 1.0 - 1 But with the antenne it stil give me the same as my antenne analyzer. Is this the tuner ?? William PE1BSB -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens Don Wilhelm Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 21:04 Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner Knut and all, I do agree with that *and* if the band is 40 meters *and* if the KPA100 is not the latest design T/R switch it is entirely possible that there could be a spurious response above the 40 meter band during the time it takes to do the antenna tuning - this may cause the ATU to tune the antenna somewhere above the 40 meter band. There is also the possibility that RFC10 (on the back of the SO-239 jack) is coupling with the base K2 - and that condition is worse if the shield is the older one with a wide notch above the SO-239 jack and no solder lugs from the SO-239 jack to the top of the shield. I am not saying that the problem is restricted to 40 meters, only that it is more apparent on 40 than on other bands. If the KPA100 has the older red core toroids at L15 and L16, it should be updated with the KPA100MDKT because that mod was created to address exactly that problem. If the shield needs updated, the KPA100SHLDKT is available. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 2:38 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I can think of one other *possible* explanation, although far fetched. > If the K2 transmitter has excessive harmonics or parasitics, this could happen. > The out of band energy is readily absorbed by the dummy load but not > by the tuned load presented by the LDG tuner. The antenna analyzer > should easily resolve this. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Wed Jul 20 15:20:42 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:20:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <01e401d1e2bb$7d7275b0$78576110$@zendamateur.nl> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> <1469039896569-7620440.post@n2.nabble.com> <90c5a82c-1bf2-dbfc-29a2-9bbff980d7f1@embarqmail.com> <01e401d1e2bb$7d7275b0$78576110$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <01e601d1e2bb$cea16360$6be42a20$@zendamateur.nl> PS i have the shield update. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens William at zendamateur.nl Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 21:18 Aan: donwilh at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner Ok Don and Knut, Its getting better :-) I tryed a antenne analyzer, gives me the same as my K2, so I think K2 is fine. The AT-100 ( just bought it second hand, has two antenna connectors wich I can switch. Put a dummy on the other port then switched an tune the dummy 20 1.0 - 1 so looks ok Did the same with connectors reversed so antenne 1 is antenne 2 again 20 1.0 - 1 But with the antenne it stil give me the same as my antenne analyzer. Is this the tuner ?? William PE1BSB -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens Don Wilhelm Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 21:04 Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner Knut and all, I do agree with that *and* if the band is 40 meters *and* if the KPA100 is not the latest design T/R switch it is entirely possible that there could be a spurious response above the 40 meter band during the time it takes to do the antenna tuning - this may cause the ATU to tune the antenna somewhere above the 40 meter band. There is also the possibility that RFC10 (on the back of the SO-239 jack) is coupling with the base K2 - and that condition is worse if the shield is the older one with a wide notch above the SO-239 jack and no solder lugs from the SO-239 jack to the top of the shield. I am not saying that the problem is restricted to 40 meters, only that it is more apparent on 40 than on other bands. If the KPA100 has the older red core toroids at L15 and L16, it should be updated with the KPA100MDKT because that mod was created to address exactly that problem. If the shield needs updated, the KPA100SHLDKT is available. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 2:38 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I can think of one other *possible* explanation, although far fetched. > If the K2 transmitter has excessive harmonics or parasitics, this > could happen. > The out of band energy is readily absorbed by the dummy load but not > by the tuned load presented by the LDG tuner. The antenna analyzer > should easily resolve this. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Wed Jul 20 15:31:04 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:31:04 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <01e601d1e2bb$cea16360$6be42a20$@zendamateur.nl> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> <1469039896569-7620440.post@n2.nabble.com> <90c5a82c-1bf2-dbfc-29a2-9bbff980d7f1@embarqmail.com> <01e401d1e2bb$7d7275b0$78576110$@zendamateur.nl> <01e601d1e2bb$cea16360$6be42a20$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <01e801d1e2bd$41707380$c4515a80$@zendamateur.nl> Little extra Al tests are made on 3604. When I pick diver end bands it gives me diver end outcome so 3 band are really 1.0. - 1 some 1.3 - 1 so its also depending on the band, I have a G5RV I am curious what happens without a tuner Going to test that later, wife is waiting and have to be the man in the house :-)) Nice testing this really is a nice group with a lot of nollage.. 73 PE1BSB -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens William at zendamateur.nl Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 21:21 Aan: donwilh at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner PS i have the shield update. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens William at zendamateur.nl Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 21:18 Aan: donwilh at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner Ok Don and Knut, Its getting better :-) I tryed a antenne analyzer, gives me the same as my K2, so I think K2 is fine. The AT-100 ( just bought it second hand, has two antenna connectors wich I can switch. Put a dummy on the other port then switched an tune the dummy 20 1.0 - 1 so looks ok Did the same with connectors reversed so antenne 1 is antenne 2 again 20 1.0 - 1 But with the antenne it stil give me the same as my antenne analyzer. Is this the tuner ?? William PE1BSB -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens Don Wilhelm Verzonden: woensdag 20 juli 2016 21:04 Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner Knut and all, I do agree with that *and* if the band is 40 meters *and* if the KPA100 is not the latest design T/R switch it is entirely possible that there could be a spurious response above the 40 meter band during the time it takes to do the antenna tuning - this may cause the ATU to tune the antenna somewhere above the 40 meter band. There is also the possibility that RFC10 (on the back of the SO-239 jack) is coupling with the base K2 - and that condition is worse if the shield is the older one with a wide notch above the SO-239 jack and no solder lugs from the SO-239 jack to the top of the shield. I am not saying that the problem is restricted to 40 meters, only that it is more apparent on 40 than on other bands. If the KPA100 has the older red core toroids at L15 and L16, it should be updated with the KPA100MDKT because that mod was created to address exactly that problem. If the shield needs updated, the KPA100SHLDKT is available. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 2:38 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I can think of one other *possible* explanation, although far fetched. > If the K2 transmitter has excessive harmonics or parasitics, this > could happen. > The out of band energy is readily absorbed by the dummy load but not > by the tuned load presented by the LDG tuner. The antenna analyzer > should easily resolve this. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:58:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:58:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 automatic tuner In-Reply-To: <01e401d1e2bb$7d7275b0$78576110$@zendamateur.nl> References: <01ab01d1e2a4$7fa13400$7ee39c00$@zendamateur.nl> <01d001d1e2ad$f97c2f60$ec748e20$@zendamateur.nl> <97cc7f8b-0df4-3ae7-8fe9-a6491d46f586@embarqmail.com> <01d801d1e2b0$d7acc2c0$87064840$@zendamateur.nl> <4d821432-a838-3c83-012d-a89355b26eab@embarqmail.com> <1469039896569-7620440.post@n2.nabble.com> <90c5a82c-1bf2-dbfc-29a2-9bbff980d7f1@embarqmail.com> <01e401d1e2bb$7d7275b0$78576110$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: William, It is beginning to look like either the tuner or the antenna is the problem. Don't overlook the possibility that something has come loose or shorted in your antenna. Baluns can go bad, especially if they get moisture inside. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 3:18 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > Ok Don and Knut, > > Its getting better :-) > > I tryed a antenne analyzer, gives me the same as my K2, so I think K2 is > fine. > The AT-100 ( just bought it second hand, has two antenna connectors wich I > can switch. Put a dummy on the other port then switched an tune the dummy 20 > 1.0 - 1 so looks ok > From w5jv at hotmail.com Wed Jul 20 16:07:32 2016 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:07:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Effect of mechanical connectors & sampling units on the antenna line Message-ID: I don't want to start a flurry of emails on this so perhaps if you could respond privately, it will keep the list traffic down. I began my question-subject with a curiosity on how the professional evaluators test & report on modern transceiver performance such as sensitivity, etc. At the same time, I have been looking at some Elecraft products: the W2, the P3 TXMON, and the like. My instinct tells me that no ultimate best figures can survive on an input line where there are sampling units & PL-259 couplings, short lengths, PL-259 to BNC adapters, etc. So I'm thinking that when Sherwood Labs specs out the K2 and the K3, they probably: 1. Have the rig on a wet cell battery; 2. Except for the signal generator line coming, the rig is probably inside an EMF shielded cage, etc. 3. The only thing going into the transceiver is a single signal cable connection. Am I at least close to being right ? And if so, how much degradation would I cause using, for example, both the P3TXMON sampling unit and a W2 sampling unit between the antenna and the K-Type receiver as well as a typical switching power supply feeding the power? Thanks for any responses to me in private. Cheers, Doug W5JV From ghyoungman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 16:15:42 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:15:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Effect of mechanical connectors & sampling units on the antenna line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F7A073B-3F36-4545-A0B8-04783742BF53@gmail.com> No ?. not close. You can talk to Rob about his tests, but that isn?t what he does. And any sensors between the signal generator and the radio (or your antenna and the radio) aren?t going to materially change anything about the radios performance. How many tenths of a dB are you concerned about? :-) Grant NQ5T > > > I began my question-subject with a curiosity on how the professional > > evaluators test & report on modern transceiver performance such as > > sensitivity, etc. At the same time, I have been looking at some Elecraft > > products: the W2, the P3 TXMON, and the like. My instinct tells me > > that no ultimate best figures can survive on an input line where there > > are sampling units & PL-259 couplings, short lengths, PL-259 to BNC > > adapters, etc. So I'm thinking that when Sherwood Labs specs out > > the K2 and the K3, they probably: > > > 1. Have the rig on a wet cell battery; > > 2. Except for the signal generator line coming, the rig is probably inside > > an EMF shielded cage, etc. > > 3. The only thing going into the transceiver is a single signal cable connection. > > > Am I at least close to being right ? > > From jonigro at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 16:18:17 2016 From: jonigro at gmail.com (John R. Lonigro) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Test serial-to-USB converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48d1dc01-a24f-51fc-d32a-703e5cbc1b5b@gmail.com> Jan, In the "good old days", you could check a serial port by connecting pin 2 to pin3 at the end of the serial cable. Set the port to software handshaking (or else connect the control pins together in a similar manner-I don't recall the pin numbers). Then run a dumb terminal program. What you type will be echoed to your screen, even with "echo" turned off. If echo is turned on, you'd see what you typed twice. That would prove the signal made it out and back and the interface works. The baudrate doesn't matter, as long as it's the same for transmitting and receiving. 73, John AA0VE Jan, >> The best way to test a USB to serial converter is by substitution with >> a known good one, or by substitution of a known good working serial >> device connected to the questionable converter cable. >> >> Yes, a power surge or a lightning event can damage serial interfaces >> as well as USB interfaces. >> >> Since your USB ports on the computer seem to work, borrow a known good >> USB to serial converter and try it out - preferably one with an FTDI >> chipset. >> >> If you have any other devices that use a serial COM port interface, >> see if they work with your USB to serial adapter - if so, the adapter >> is probably OK, but remember that in the event of a power surge, >> multiple failures are possible even though in normal troubleshooting >> we assume only a single failure. >> >> You can test the USB to serial converter with a 'scope and an RS-232 >> breakout box, but you have to know the proper RS-232 levels to >> understand what is happening. A null modem loopback cable can be >> helpful if you have to proper driving software application for that >> testing. I did that during my years of PC modem testing, but that was >> more than 30 years ago and the software ran under DOS - not helpful now. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> From ve6dc at xplornet.ca Wed Jul 20 16:33:12 2016 From: ve6dc at xplornet.ca (Renze ve6dc) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:33:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] muffled cw sound, Message-ID: <002601d1e2c5$f0986950$d1c93bf0$@xplornet.ca> Hi everyone, At last SeaPac I bought a KX3. It works well and I also practise my CW sending with it. I also try all the different settings to get to know the KX3 better. I think I played a little too much because since a few days the CW sending does not produce a CW tone anymore but a muffled and dull ticking in the back ground. Must be a setting that I miss but I think I tried them all. Any one have any ideas of what to do? If it is important I have loaded the latest update into the KX3. Regards, Renze ve6dc From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 17:07:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:07:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] muffled cw sound, In-Reply-To: <002601d1e2c5$f0986950$d1c93bf0$@xplornet.ca> References: <002601d1e2c5$f0986950$d1c93bf0$@xplornet.ca> Message-ID: <60611ac0-3ffc-1766-795f-c91f1fa07616@embarqmail.com> Renze, Try turning the MONitor setting up. Hold the AF Gain pot in and turn it - you will see the setting displayed in VFO B area. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 4:33 PM, Renze ve6dc wrote: > At last SeaPac I bought a KX3. > > > It works well and I also practise my CW sending with it. > > I also try all the different settings to get to know the KX3 better. > > I think I played a little too much because since a few days the CW sending > does not produce a CW tone anymore but a muffled and dull ticking in the > back ground. > > Must be a setting that I miss but I think I tried them all. > > From kevin at k4vd.net Wed Jul 20 18:03:52 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:03:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A follow-up to the situation. I purchased a PWRgate PG40S. On one side I have a marine battery. On the other side I've got an Alinco DM-330MVT. In the middle is the KX3 and the Flex. Only one has an antenna at any time. I added a line isolator right below the BALUN of the OCF and another one right at the rig input. At this point there is no difference in the noise level on the KX3 when comparing internal batteries vs the power setup described above. The Flex is also not showing anything of concern on the waterfall. I was (and maybe still am) a little skeptical about both the Alinco switching power supply and the PWRgate which I think is just the switching portion of a switching power supply? So far they do not seem to be generating noise. I'll have to give it some time to see if any snakes come crawling across the waterfall. Remaining work... I'm calling things 80% done and getting back to normal operation. I want to add some more clip-ons to power cables as soon as I can remember where I put them all. I need to tear into the RS-50 and see if I see anything obvious and if not, dig deeper with the o'scope and meter and actually do some troubleshooting. If I get it working right then I have a good backup or loaner supply. If not... who knows. I also need to continue reading the RFI document. There's a ton of information in it and I'm working to actually understand what I'm reading instead of just using it as a cookbook. A more balanced antenna - even a Hex Beam - might be on the wish list. Thanks for all the help and guidance. I'm feeling pretty good that things are working well. The QRP Foxhunt is tomorrow night. I hope to be able to blame my anticipated poor performance on atmospheric conditions and not equipment noise. ?73! Kevin K4VD? From ghyoungman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 18:12:38 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:12:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The PWRgate is just basically Schottky steering diodes used to direct power from one terminal to another. It does not generate noise ? Grant NQ5T > I was (and maybe still am) a little skeptical about ?. the PWRgate which I think is just the switching > portion of a switching power supply? So far they do not seem to be > generating noise. I'll have to give it some time to see if any snakes come > crawling across the waterfall. > From eric at elecraft.com Wed Jul 20 18:23:59 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:23:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] deoxit In-Reply-To: <007b01d1e234$9c9a9c10$d5cfd430$@biz> References: <000301d1e170$a47e6a70$ed7b3f50$@snet.net> <007d01d1e189$8c7ebba0$a57c32e0$@co.uk> <007b01d1e234$9c9a9c10$d5cfd430$@biz> Message-ID: We are at 14 posts on Deoxit(tm) and this topic has been pretty much beaten to death ;-) Let's close the thread at this time in the interest of reducing email overload for others. 73, Eric Mooderator /elecraft.com/ ---- On 7/19/2016 8:12 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Quite so. I used deoxit in a small 2 oz bottle with a thin syringe-like tube > applicator that puts a very tiny amount on the contact. That's all it takes. > > > 73 Ron AC7AC > From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 18:29:43 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:29:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Message-ID: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> All, After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last few years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to add a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize desk clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution. However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150 on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as a voice keyer. Thanks and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jsissom at jsissom.com Wed Jul 20 18:35:24 2016 From: jsissom at jsissom.com (Jay Sissom) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:35:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Elecraft KX1 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elecraft KX1 QRP HF Transceiver - KX1 Radio (covers 20m and 40m) - KXB3080 band board (covers 30m/80m) - KXAT1 Antenna Tuner - Pelican Case See this URL for pictures: http://imgur.com/a/B4uCz I built this radio and have used it portable. It works as it should. The radio with options retail for $520 as a kit. Sell for $300 including shipping. Cashier's check or money order. Sell to US only. Email jsissom @ jsissom.com. 73 Jay From jsissom at jsissom.com Wed Jul 20 18:36:00 2016 From: jsissom at jsissom.com (Jay Sissom) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:36:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Elecraft K1 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elecraft K1 QRP HF Transceiver - K1 Radio - 4 band board installed in radio (radio covers 40m, 30m, 20m, 17m) - Additional 2 band board (80m, 15m) - KAT1 Antenna Tuner - KNB1 Noise Blanker - Internal Battery Adapter - LCD Backlight - Tilt Stand See this URL for pictures: http://imgur.com/a/VPxWR This radio was part of an SK estate. I have used it and it operates as it should. The radio and options retail for $770+ as a kit. Sell for $440 which includes shipping. Cashier check or money order. Sell to US only. Please contact me at jsissom at jsissom.com. 73 Jay From kevin at k4vd.net Wed Jul 20 18:51:24 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Grant. I thought there'd be a little more inside for charging the battery. I did a quick look for schematics on Google but didn't find anything. Kev On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:12 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > The PWRgate is just basically Schottky steering diodes used to direct > power from one terminal to another. It does not generate noise ? > > Grant NQ5T > > > > I was (and maybe still am) a little skeptical about ?. the PWRgate which > I think is just the switching > > portion of a switching power supply? So far they do not seem to be > > generating noise. I'll have to give it some time to see if any snakes > come > > crawling across the waterfall. > > > > From dick_mcclain at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 20 19:15:49 2016 From: dick_mcclain at sbcglobal.net (McClain Richard) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:15:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale Message-ID: <66D924C9-31E8-4C8C-9866-41CAFE314748@sbcglobal.net> The K3 transceiver for sale is Serial Number 06517 which was purchased in May, 2012. It includes the following options: -- 100 watt amplifier, internal -- 2.8 kHz, 8-pole filter -- KXV3A, RX Antenna, IF Out and Transverter Interface (needed if you add the P3 display) -- Elecraft PR 6-10 external pre-amp. (helpful on some weak signals on 6, 10 and 12 meters) According to Elecraft Technical Support, K3 serial numbers greater than 5000 have "most major mods" that were updated since production startup. Transceiver is clean, scratch-free and working well. Price is $1900 with CONUS shipping included. Smoke-free, non-pet home. Thanks and 73, Dick McClain, N9XO dick_mcclain [at] sbcglobal.net or 812-344-0747 From rprather at mac.com Wed Jul 20 19:17:08 2016 From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:17:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ian, If you get good at making the recording you can have virtually no delay at either the beginning or end of the message. Rick K6LE On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > All, > > > > After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last > few > years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event > stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to > add > a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize > desk > clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution. > However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the > KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it > has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded > message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150 > on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love > to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 > as > a voice keyer. > > > > Thanks and 73, > > > > --Ian > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Jul 20 19:17:52 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:17:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin, I will be interested in anything you find. I have a RS-50M and I am not aware of any noise as you describe. It may be my hearing. I do have a line isolator in-line left there from the days when I had a G5RV. That is the only time I have known of RFI. It was pretty bad. Dick, n0ce On 7/20/2016 5:03 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > A follow-up to the situation. > > I purchased a PWRgate PG40S. On one side I have a marine battery. On the > other side I've got an Alinco DM-330MVT. In the middle is the KX3 and the > Flex. Only one has an antenna at any time. > > I added a line isolator right below the BALUN of the OCF and another one > right at the rig input. > > At this point there is no difference in the noise level on the KX3 when > comparing internal batteries vs the power setup described above. The Flex > is also not showing anything of concern on the waterfall. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:28:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:28:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matthew, You should not have to do incremental firmware updates. Keep the 2.19 firmware files "just in case", but delete the latest firmware files from the folder where you have the firmware stored on your computer in case the copies you have are corrupt. Open K3 Utility (make sure it is the latest), and then "Get files from Elecraft" to download the latest production firmware. Once you have those files on your computer, click the "Send all files to the K3" and it should update with no problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 12:08 AM, Matthew Lawson wrote: > Well, Howard was able to send me FW 2.19 and I had a successful flash to > the K3. > > Now I tried to jumped from version 2.19 to 5.38, is there a bug in jumping > this far? Is there a DSP hardware revision that may have an issue with > current version of firmware (older radio, 1st gen, etc...?)??? > > Anyways my rig is back from being a brick, and is working again. YEAH!!! > > An observation on this, I accidentally tried to push just the DSP1 Firmware > from 2.19 with 5.38 MCU still installed but it would fail, saw my error and > corrected it and had a successfully flash when the 2.19 MCU was installed > first. This made me wonder if this was part of the problem with the update. > Is there some sort of version check with the DSP1 to MCU? > > I am wanting to try an incremental update from 2.19, but older firmware is > not published. > > Wanted to keep the list updated on whats been happening and thank you for > all your support in this. > > From Nu1Oscar at aol.com Wed Jul 20 19:58:19 2016 From: Nu1Oscar at aol.com (Nu1Oscar at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:58:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribe Message-ID: <324ff5.464a24f7.44c16a1b@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/2016 3:24:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: [This e-mail contains a MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) file. The file was specially formatted to be sent over the Internet. For more information on opening the attached file, go to Keyword: MIME.] From k1xx at k1xx.com Wed Jul 20 20:02:45 2016 From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <786328c9-77d9-1ab5-7718-f0b6c11d0b63@k1xx.com> Ian: I agree with the observations about the delay times when using the KDVR3. If you're a S&P, 1 QSO/hr kind of operator, then it's probably not a big deal. At 200+ Qs/hr, the delays are noticeable (and aggravating). On March 11th of this year, I sent a feature request to the reflector asking for some method to get around these delays. Unfortunately, I never heard any response from Elecraft. You can reduce the initiate delay by being "fast on the buttons," but, as I found, it's not something I want to do during a contest. The KDVR3 is nice that it's integrated into the K3 so that another box and cables don't have to be thrown into my bag when traveling. 73 charlie, k1xx/vp2mmf On 7/20/2016 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > All, > > > > After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last few > years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event > stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to add > a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize desk > clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution. > However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the > KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it > has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded > message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150 > on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love > to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as > a voice keyer. > > > > Thanks and 73, > > > > --Ian > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1xx at k1xx.com > From cautery at montac.com Wed Jul 20 20:15:31 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep... I don't have any delay at all at the beginning OR end... Just a matter of timing the REC button pushes. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/20/2016 6:17 PM, Rick Prather wrote: > Ian, > > If you get good at making the recording you can have virtually no delay at > either the beginning or end of the message. > > Rick > K6LE From W4RM at AOL.COM Wed Jul 20 20:15:57 2016 From: W4RM at AOL.COM (Bill OMara) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <786328c9-77d9-1ab5-7718-f0b6c11d0b63@k1xx.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <786328c9-77d9-1ab5-7718-f0b6c11d0b63@k1xx.com> Message-ID: <00b601d1e2e5$0ded78f0$29c86ad0$@AOL.COM> Ian, I agree! I have two K3 with KDVRs and two without. But All four of my K3 are using external Microham Microkeyers II because the internal KDVK is not responsive enough for high rate contesting. I would love for this to be address by Elecraft so the investment can be used every day and not just on dxpeditions when packing space is limited. 73 Bill W4RM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of charlie carroll Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; km4ik.ian at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Ian: I agree with the observations about the delay times when using the KDVR3. If you're a S&P, 1 QSO/hr kind of operator, then it's probably not a big deal. At 200+ Qs/hr, the delays are noticeable (and aggravating). On March 11th of this year, I sent a feature request to the reflector asking for some method to get around these delays. Unfortunately, I never heard any response from Elecraft. You can reduce the initiate delay by being "fast on the buttons," but, as I found, it's not something I want to do during a contest. The KDVR3 is nice that it's integrated into the K3 so that another box and cables don't have to be thrown into my bag when traveling. 73 charlie, k1xx/vp2mmf On 7/20/2016 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > All, > > > > After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the > last few years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies > special event stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find > myself ready to add a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and > in order to minimize desk clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution. > However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have > the > KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer > because it has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission > of the recorded message and dropping transmit at the end of the > message. Before I drop $150 on a component that might not be the > solution I'm looking for, I would love to get others' opinions and > feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as a voice keyer. > > > > Thanks and 73, > > > > --Ian > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k1xx at k1xx.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4rm at aol.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:15:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:15:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3651bb6f-3fa4-e76f-a10c-222df284f058@embarqmail.com> Mike, Since you moved the filters in the KRX3, you may want to go into the CONFIG menu and tell it which filters for the KRX3 are installed and in which slots. 73, Do W3FPR On 7/19/2016 8:06 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > After removing one filter from my subRx and moving the remaining filter > (2.8) to position #1, I'm now getting and ERR BP3 on start up. Before I > open everything up again and remove the KRX3, SUBIN and SUBOUT boards and > reset everything as detailed in the manual, is there anything else I should > be doing to troubleshoot? It's obviously a problem with the SubRx, but I > thought I was being ultra cautious during the disassembly/assembly process, > including use of static protection precautions. > > From kc7eqo at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:20:38 2016 From: kc7eqo at gmail.com (Matthew Lawson) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:20:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Failed K3 Firmware update DSP1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don, I talked with Howard at Elecraft today about the radio. He thinks there might be a memory problem and the new firmware that is address-ably larger is causing the problem. They would have to see the radio to verify this. If this is the case then he would recommend updating the DSP board to the new version. I am going to see if I can update to Version 4.39 tonight and if successful stay there, or if not milk it along until I can afford to send the radio into Elecraft. My radio is an older one serial is 01341 so a new rig might be in order, but that is way down the road. Thanks again to everyone, this community for help has been a great experience, with bricking my K3 aside. Thank you for the quick responses. Now I really have my eyes set on a KX3 :) first things first, get this K3 figured out. 73! *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Matthew, > > You should not have to do incremental firmware updates. > Keep the 2.19 firmware files "just in case", but delete the latest > firmware files from the folder where you have the firmware stored on your > computer in case the copies you have are corrupt. > > Open K3 Utility (make sure it is the latest), and then "Get files from > Elecraft" to download the latest production firmware. > > Once you have those files on your computer, click the "Send all files to > the K3" and it should update with no problem. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 7/20/2016 12:08 AM, Matthew Lawson wrote: > >> Well, Howard was able to send me FW 2.19 and I had a successful flash to >> the K3. >> >> Now I tried to jumped from version 2.19 to 5.38, is there a bug in jumping >> this far? Is there a DSP hardware revision that may have an issue with >> current version of firmware (older radio, 1st gen, etc...?)??? >> >> Anyways my rig is back from being a brick, and is working again. YEAH!!! >> >> An observation on this, I accidentally tried to push just the DSP1 >> Firmware >> from 2.19 with 5.38 MCU still installed but it would fail, saw my error >> and >> corrected it and had a successfully flash when the 2.19 MCU was installed >> first. This made me wonder if this was part of the problem with the >> update. >> Is there some sort of version check with the DSP1 to MCU? >> >> I am wanting to try an incremental update from 2.19, but older firmware is >> not published. >> >> Wanted to keep the list updated on whats been happening and thank you for >> all your support in this. >> >> >> > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:23:24 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:23:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How difficult is it to install the FM filter ofr K3 with ... In-Reply-To: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1df5f653-3046-19dd-f800-29c1a8ff39dc@embarqmail.com> Mike, Not a big problem, but you do have some mechanical work to do. Remove the 2 meter option and the KRX3. That will expose the filters for the main receiver. The 13kHz filter should go into the FL1 slot - that means you may have to move and reconfigure all the other filters installed in your K3. Other than having to remove the K144XV and the KRX3 options to physically get at the main RX filters, you should have no problem when you re-install the KRX3 and the K144XV. Keeping your mind straight about which filters are plugged into which slots and transferring that information into the CONFIG menu is the hardest part of the chore. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/19/2016 3:50 PM, mike wrote: > I have a K3 with the 2 meter module and second receiver installed. I recently > acquired a FM filter and am wondering how difficult it would be to install > it. Mostly I guess I am looking for an idea on what steps I need to perform > and in what order. I installed the second receiver some time ago after > installing the 2 meter module and remember it was quite involved. Before I > attempt to add the FM filter I want to make sure I am up to the challenge. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 73 ..mike AI6II > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-difficult-is-it-to-install-the-FM-filter-ofr-K3-with-tp7620404.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From joel.b.black at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:34:10 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:34:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] ATU Message-ID: I am not completely understanding the tuning performed using the KX3 with the KXPA100. First, I?m not even completely sure which mode I should be in: Byp, Man, or Auto. I have three antennas - one is a vertical which is resonant on 40 - 10 except for 17 and 12 m. I have an OCF that is resonant on 40 - 10 *including* 17 and 12 m. I also have a shortened 80 m inverted vee that I have to tune if I go to 75 m. Currently, I have the shortened 80 m antenna selected with my antenna switch. No matter which mode I use, I never hear any relays in the KXPA100 ATU and I never get below about 7.4:1 SWR. The KX3?s ATU works just fine with the same antenna. Pressing the ATU TUNE button on the KX3 starts the 25 LED blinking but stopping the tuning does not stop the 25 LED from blinking. It?s blinking right now and I?m not tuning anything. I?m going to go back and verify all my cabling (I also have a PX3 in the mix) and make sure I haven?t cabled something wrong. Otherwise, what else can I look for? Thanks, Joel - W4JBB From af4b at att.net Wed Jul 20 20:51:59 2016 From: af4b at att.net (af4b at att.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:51:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] NPOTA NP51 Activation (KX3 and K1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FD11C4E-1B3F-423C-BF64-B541A72D27A0@att.net> 84' with 17' counterpoise = W3EDP, not an oddball thingy! Bill af4b Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Detrick Merz wrote: > > Results are in! > > Test #1: dummy load connected directly to the antenna analyzer > Result: 1:1 SWR > > Test #2: dummy to PL259 barrel to coax to antenna analyzer > Result: 1:1 SWR > > The coax ain't bad. > > The "odd ball thingy" is an 84' "random wire" with a 17' counterpoise. The > use of coax was an attempt to separate our antennas a bit more than we had > done during FD, since we had experienced a bit of interference from each > other. No interference for the NPOTA activation so maybe the separation > helped something. > > I think I (still) like that K1 almost as much as Kev likes his KX3. > > -detrick > KI4STU > >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: >> >> Detrick (KI4STU) with his K1 and I with the KX3 took off work on Monday and >> headed up to Dickey Ridge on Skyline Drive in the Shenandoah National Park >> (NP51). We were both on battery power. CW was the mode of choice. The >> antennas were end-fed - Detrick's some odd-ball thingy and mine an LNR >> EF-40/20 (no counterpoise). Basically the same setup we used on FD but >> trimmed down significantly for mobility and quick setup. >> >> We were able to activate NP51 with 12 CW QSOs in about 2 hours. >> >> There were some tricky parts. >> >> The end-fed thingy Detrick had would not tune until we swapped out the >> coax. The guess is either the original coax is bad or the length of the >> coax was contributing to the high SWR. Waiting to find out the results. >> Detrick normally runs the antenna directly to binding posts. >> >> Checking the weather in the morning it all looked clear. Then came the >> dangerous wind and hail alerts and it was all we could do to get everything >> back to the cars before the downpour. Weather changes quick! >> >> I uploaded the QSLs to LoTW and hope I did it right, creating a new >> location for the park. eQSL is all kinds of messed up but I'm losing my >> patience with that service anyway. I'm not sure if I should expect >> something back from the ARRL concerning the activation or just assume all >> went well. >> >> GNATS, GNATS and damn GNATS! >> >> Then we went to Spelunkers for some Cavern Burgers and all was good in the >> world again. >> >> I'm absolutely enjoying the KX3. My go-bag is a little Nikon camera bag >> containing the KX3 with side panels and cover, Begali Adventure paddles, >> mic (unused), EF-40/20 antenna, Sony in-ear phones, spool of mason line, >> short coax, mini-log and notepad, pen, pencil, 15Ah LiFePO4 (not used for >> this trip). There's also copy of my license in a pouch. It is freedom in a >> bag. >> >> Next trip... bug spray. >> >> To top off the good news, our new little crew - Barred Owl Radio Club >> (BORC) was just issued W4OWL. We named our group for the fledgling begging >> call that kept us away all night on FD (yep, we slept). You can find that >> wonderful sound of nature right here: >> https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Barred_Owl/sounds. Scroll on down to >> the bottom for pure listening e??njoyment. If you don't get the impression >> of a spike being driven into your ears you don't have the volume high >> enough. >> >> 73, >> Kev K4VD >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to detrick at merzhaus.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to af4b at att.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:52:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:52:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] ATU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93d5b751-c080-ca50-e090-a314f0d784c8@embarqmail.com> Joel, If you have the KXAT100 in your KXPA100 then, you should set the KXAT100 to AUTO while you "train" the ATU. Move the VFO in 50kHz increments and do a TUNE. Do that for all bands of interest and each antenna of interest. Then put the KXATU into MAN mode and it will recall the settings for each band segment, but will not try to auto-tune. If you leave it in AUTO mode, it may detect an erroneous bad SWR and attempt to auto-tune. That is more likely during SSB speech than it is for CW or data modes. If you have resonant antennas and do not wish the KXAT100 to tune, put it in bypass for those antennas. In other words, do not leave the KXAT100 in AUTO mode unless you connect an antenna that you have not yet trained the antenna to. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 8:34 PM, Joel Black wrote: > I am not completely understanding the tuning performed using the KX3 with the KXPA100. > > First, I?m not even completely sure which mode I should be in: Byp, Man, or Auto. I have three antennas - one is a vertical which is resonant on 40 - 10 except for 17 and 12 m. I have an OCF that is resonant on 40 - 10 *including* 17 and 12 m. I also have a shortened 80 m inverted vee that I have to tune if I go to 75 m. > > Currently, I have the shortened 80 m antenna selected with my antenna switch. No matter which mode I use, I never hear any relays in the KXPA100 ATU and I never get below about 7.4:1 SWR. The KX3?s ATU works just fine with the same antenna. Pressing the ATU TUNE button on the KX3 starts the 25 LED blinking but stopping the tuning does not stop the 25 LED from blinking. It?s blinking right now and I?m not tuning anything. > > I?m going to go back and verify all my cabling (I also have a PX3 in the mix) and make sure I haven?t cabled something wrong. Otherwise, what else can I look for? > > Thanks, > Joel - W4JBB > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From joel.b.black at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:53:44 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:53:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] ATU In-Reply-To: <93d5b751-c080-ca50-e090-a314f0d784c8@embarqmail.com> References: <93d5b751-c080-ca50-e090-a314f0d784c8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Don. It was cockpit error. Hopefully I haven?t burned anything up. I had the KX3 connected to ANT 1 and the antenna selector switch on RF IN. Yep, I?m feeling pretty small right now. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 20, 2016, at 19:52, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Joel, > > If you have the KXAT100 in your KXPA100 then, you should set the KXAT100 to AUTO while you "train" the ATU. Move the VFO in 50kHz increments and do a TUNE. Do that for all bands of interest and each antenna of interest. > > Then put the KXATU into MAN mode and it will recall the settings for each band segment, but will not try to auto-tune. > > If you leave it in AUTO mode, it may detect an erroneous bad SWR and attempt to auto-tune. That is more likely during SSB speech than it is for CW or data modes. > > If you have resonant antennas and do not wish the KXAT100 to tune, put it in bypass for those antennas. > > In other words, do not leave the KXAT100 in AUTO mode unless you connect an antenna that you have not yet trained the antenna to. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/20/2016 8:34 PM, Joel Black wrote: >> I am not completely understanding the tuning performed using the KX3 with the KXPA100. >> >> First, I?m not even completely sure which mode I should be in: Byp, Man, or Auto. I have three antennas - one is a vertical which is resonant on 40 - 10 except for 17 and 12 m. I have an OCF that is resonant on 40 - 10 *including* 17 and 12 m. I also have a shortened 80 m inverted vee that I have to tune if I go to 75 m. >> >> Currently, I have the shortened 80 m antenna selected with my antenna switch. No matter which mode I use, I never hear any relays in the KXPA100 ATU and I never get below about 7.4:1 SWR. The KX3?s ATU works just fine with the same antenna. Pressing the ATU TUNE button on the KX3 starts the 25 LED blinking but stopping the tuning does not stop the 25 LED from blinking. It?s blinking right now and I?m not tuning anything. >> >> I?m going to go back and verify all my cabling (I also have a PX3 in the mix) and make sure I haven?t cabled something wrong. Otherwise, what else can I look for? >> >> Thanks, >> Joel - W4JBB >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From cautery at montac.com Wed Jul 20 20:57:23 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:57:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations Message-ID: I am looking for recommendations for a linear power supply to power my shack. Right this minute I need one just for my K3s and P3, but at some point will be adding a KPA500, KAT500, dual monitors, etc. Also, looking at building a dummy battery to run my laptop off the shack supply (11.1VDC, so a linear reg built into the dummy). I will have plenty of power soon... 40 Amp 220 VAC sub-panel going in with 8 x 20A 120, 1x 15Amp 220, 1 x 20A 220 (yes, I know the sub branches total more than the sub-IN... total up the breakers in your main service). The wiring is such that I can up it to 60 Amps if/when I "need" it. I just can't deal with this SMPS anymore... Ran one net on battery power and it was like a different world. At some point, I will run on batteries 100%, but will still need a nice quiet hoss of a linear to feed the charge controller(s). 73, -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 From ai6ii at comcast.net Wed Jul 20 21:59:37 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:59:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] How difficult is it to install the FM filter ofr K3 with ... In-Reply-To: <1df5f653-3046-19dd-f800-29c1a8ff39dc@embarqmail.com> References: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> <1df5f653-3046-19dd-f800-29c1a8ff39dc@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1469066377754-7620476.post@n2.nabble.com> Okay Don, just ti make sure I understand about the filters. I currently have three matched filters in both the main and subreceiver. I would insert the FM filter in FL1 of the main and slide the other three down. Then I would need to leave the FL1 blank on the subreceiver and slide the three existing ones down as I did in the main receiver, right? I then would need to reconfigure the FW definitions for all the filters. Actually I don't really use the 2 meter module at all at my qth. I do have a second K3 that I have up for sale, so maybe I will install the 2 meter module and the FM filter in it instead. It doesn't have a second receiver so the installation would be much easier. Hmmmmm. Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-difficult-is-it-to-install-the-FM-filter-ofr-K3-with-tp7620404p7620476.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Jul 20 23:19:13 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:19:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Keying the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron (&mothers) I have put a link to my website to access a schematic for a simple transistor switching interface for the KX2 and KX3. It allows use of standard KUSB cable to provide CW, PTT and CAT control of the radio. Looks just like a K3 to n1mm. Http://nr4c.net and use the Projects Tab for some fun projects. I am looking at a PC board and maybe kits for this interface. Stay tuned. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Ron Mudry wrote: > > Bill, > > I just saw you post to the KX# user group, below. > > I?m also wanting to run cw from N1MM. Could you send me a schematic of the transistor switch that you mentioned in your post? > > > You need a regular KUSB cable and a simple transistor switch to take pin-7 signal and direct it to the key jack for CW keying. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > 73, > Ron Mudry, W6FPS > SKCC #2126 > NAQCC #376 > 10-10 #50193 > From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Jul 20 23:24:44 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> I use my K3DVR a lot. It is useful for contests as well as day-to-day DXing, Who enjoys calling ?CQ CQ? for hours or, repeating your call when trying to break tha pileup on K1N, etc? Get it. ?bill nr4c > On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > > All, > > > > After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last few > years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event > stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to add > a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize desk > clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible solution. > However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the > KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because it > has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the recorded > message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop $150 > on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would love > to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as > a voice keyer. > > > > Thanks and 73, > > > > --Ian > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Jul 20 23:29:03 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message In-Reply-To: <3651bb6f-3fa4-e76f-a10c-222df284f058@embarqmail.com> References: <3651bb6f-3fa4-e76f-a10c-222df284f058@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Aren?t you supposed to have the filters in the sub receiver in the same slot as the main receiver? I?m not saying that all filters in the main have to be in the sub, but any that are the same, shouldn?t they be in the sane slot? ?bc nr4c > On Jul 20, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Mike, > > Since you moved the filters in the KRX3, you may want to go into the CONFIG menu and tell it which filters for the KRX3 are installed and in which slots. > > 73, > Do W3FPR > > On 7/19/2016 8:06 PM, Mike Murray wrote: >> After removing one filter from my subRx and moving the remaining filter >> (2.8) to position #1, I'm now getting and ERR BP3 on start up. Before I >> open everything up again and remove the KRX3, SUBIN and SUBOUT boards and >> reset everything as detailed in the manual, is there anything else I should >> be doing to troubleshoot? It's obviously a problem with the SubRx, but I >> thought I was being ultra cautious during the disassembly/assembly process, >> including use of static protection precautions. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 20 23:49:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:49:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How difficult is it to install the FM filter ofr K3 with ... In-Reply-To: <1469066377754-7620476.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> <1df5f653-3046-19dd-f800-29c1a8ff39dc@embarqmail.com> <1469066377754-7620476.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2ce78fa5-4d93-25c5-9a97-fe9d8e766e85@embarqmail.com> Mike, You technically don't have to move the filters in the KRX3, but it just makes more sense to me to have them match. Yes, if you do not have the K144XV in your K3, then there is no real sense in installing the 13kHz filter (unless you want to do AM transmit with that filter). 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2016 9:59 PM, mike wrote: > Okay Don, just ti make sure I understand about the filters. I currently have > three matched filters in both the main and subreceiver. I would insert the > FM filter in FL1 of the main and slide the other three down. Then I would > need to leave the FL1 blank on the subreceiver and slide the three existing > ones down as I did in the main receiver, right? I then would need to > reconfigure the FW definitions for all the filters. > > Actually I don't really use the 2 meter module at all at my qth. I do have a > second K3 that I have up for sale, so maybe I will install the 2 meter > module and the FM filter in it instead. It doesn't have a second receiver so > the installation would be much easier. Hmmmmm. > > From n7xy at n7xy.net Thu Jul 21 01:52:20 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:52:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> Since the KPA500 has its own linear supply, you probably don't need much more than 20 amp capability. I have used an Astron RS-20 for the past 35 years but I would probably go for the RS-35 or RS-50 if I was getting another one. 73, Bob N7XY On 7/20/16 5:57 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > I am looking for recommendations for a linear power supply to power my shack. > > Right this minute I need one just for my K3s and P3, but at some point will be adding a KPA500, KAT500, dual monitors, etc. Also, looking at building a dummy battery to run my laptop off the shack supply (11.1VDC, so a linear reg built into the dummy). > > I will have plenty of power soon... 40 Amp 220 VAC sub-panel going in with 8 x 20A 120, 1x 15Amp 220, 1 x 20A 220 (yes, I know the sub branches total more than the sub-IN... total up the breakers in your main service). The wiring is such that I can up it to 60 Amps if/when I "need" it. > > I just can't deal with this SMPS anymore... Ran one net on battery power and it was like a different world. At some point, I will run on batteries 100%, but will still need a nice quiet hoss of a linear to feed the charge controller(s). > > 73, > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Jul 21 02:10:59 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> Message-ID: <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,7/20/2016 10:52 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > you probably don't need much more than 20 amp capability. I have used > an Astron RS-20 for the past 35 years but I would probably go for the > RS-35 or RS-50 if I was getting another one. That depends on what gear other than the radio that you want to run from it, and whether it is charging a battery which runs the gear or the supply is running the gear directly. It's easy for other 12V gear in a shack to add several amps to the load, and the fancier the shack gets, the more that increases. Clay said he wanted to run all his gear from it (but not the KPA, I am assuming, because it's 120/240V powered). The gear I saw included computer monitors, a K-Line, and some accessories. Perhaps there will someday be antenna relays. And so on. Also, the numbers in Astron's model names do NOT correspond to steady state load capacity. It's important to study the data sheets. They are generally well regarded for reliability, but every one I've opened had a bonding problem which is important, but easy to fix. Another important characteristic of Astron supplies is that their output regulator circuit is likely to fry if connected to charge a battery but the supply is not powered. Like in a power failure. Ask me how I know this. :) Astron sells a module to place between the supply and the battery to solve this problem. 73, Jim K9YC From iz4afw at iz4afw.org Thu Jul 21 03:49:38 2016 From: iz4afw at iz4afw.org (Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:49:38 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Hi guys, I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in particular if you're going to be low power. No delays for me. Just need to be quick when you press the buttons, as the recording starts immediately. The same applies for ending the recording...usually after a few tries you get used to this. I only miss two features: - uploading and downloading audio from the PC would be great; - Setting the repeat delay resolution to 1/10th of a second would be better than the current setting of 1 second resolution (even 0.5s would be ok) Just my 2 cents Ciao, Fabio IZ4AFW / IO4W / NZ1W 2016-07-21 5:24 GMT+02:00 Bill Conkling : > I use my K3DVR a lot. It is useful for contests as well as day-to-day > DXing, Who enjoys calling ?CQ CQ? for hours or, repeating your call when > trying to break tha pileup on K1N, etc? > > Get it. > > ?bill nr4c > > > > On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > > > > All, > > > > > > > > After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the last > few > > years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies special event > > stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find myself ready to > add > > a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and in order to minimize > desk > > clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 s/n 281 as a possible > solution. > > However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have the > > KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer because > it > > has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission of the > recorded > > message and dropping transmit at the end of the message. Before I drop > $150 > > on a component that might not be the solution I'm looking for, I would > love > > to get others' opinions and feedback on their experiences using the > KDVR3 as > > a voice keyer. > > > > > > > > Thanks and 73, > > > > > > > > --Ian > > > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > > Roswell, GA EM74ua > > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > > > PODXS 070 #1962 > > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to iz4afw at iz4afw.org > From cautery at montac.com Thu Jul 21 03:53:15 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:53:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] How difficult is it to install the FM filter ofr K3 with ... In-Reply-To: <2ce78fa5-4d93-25c5-9a97-fe9d8e766e85@embarqmail.com> References: <1468957818544-7620404.post@n2.nabble.com> <1df5f653-3046-19dd-f800-29c1a8ff39dc@embarqmail.com> <1469066377754-7620476.post@n2.nabble.com> <2ce78fa5-4d93-25c5-9a97-fe9d8e766e85@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Mmmmm.... 6 meters? I just installed a 13 kHz filter tonight specifically for 6m repeater ops. As for filters being the same bandwidth and in the same filter slot #: Elecraft K3s Owners Manual: Page 25: For diversity receive, matched filters should be used (pg. 40). Page 40: For diversity receive, we recommend using identical crystal filter configurations for the two receivers. This will ensure that both receivers have the same characteristics when strong QRM is present. Page 82: For crystal filter installation. Page 85: Rule #1: If you plan to use a particular filter for both transmitting and receiving (main receiver), you?ll need to install it on the RF board. You can optionally install a filter of the same or similar bandwidth on the sub receiver for receive-only use. (This is recommended since it will keep the receivers identical.) While not mandatory, it would appear that matching filters between receivers is HIGHLY recommended, especially if you ever plan to employ diversity receive. I actually am putting FM filters in slot #1 of both receivers, so I can listen to 6m or 2m on either receiver... Same, same 6 kHz on slot #2... so I can listen via AM on either receiver, especially when I am listening to broadcast AM, etc. If I was a CW guy primarily, I might consider giving one of them up for a 3rd CW filter besides my 700 and 400 Hz filters in #4 and #5. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/20/2016 10:49 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Mike, > > You technically don't have to move the filters in the KRX3, but it > just makes more sense to me to have them match. > > Yes, if you do not have the K144XV in your K3, then there is no real > sense in installing the 13kHz filter (unless you want to do AM > transmit with that filter). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/20/2016 9:59 PM, mike wrote: >> Okay Don, just ti make sure I understand about the filters. I >> currently have >> three matched filters in both the main and subreceiver. I would >> insert the >> FM filter in FL1 of the main and slide the other three down. Then I >> would >> need to leave the FL1 blank on the subreceiver and slide the three >> existing >> ones down as I did in the main receiver, right? I then would need to >> reconfigure the FW definitions for all the filters. >> >> Actually I don't really use the 2 meter module at all at my qth. I do >> have a >> second K3 that I have up for sale, so maybe I will install the 2 meter >> module and the FM filter in it instead. It doesn't have a second >> receiver so >> the installation would be much easier. Hmmmmm. From sm5ajv at qrq.se Thu Jul 21 04:48:30 2016 From: sm5ajv at qrq.se (SM5AJV) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:48:30 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Interference tone in SSB modulation Message-ID: Hi! I have discovered that my SSB modulation is having a interference tone in the output. A friend of mine has the same trouble with his new K3S. My K3 has serial number 07341. The tone's frequency is around 1780 Hz and is 25 dB above the transmitting noise floor measured in RBW of 0.7 Hz, the test was done on 3672.5 kHz LSB. Testing on 14240 kHz USB the tone is at 1830 Hz and 25 dB above noise floor. The tone is clearly heard over the air. The test has been performed with MIC:25 and COMP:25. The tone disappears when setting MIC:0. It doesn't matter if I select Front or Rear Mic input. I have tried to disconnect everything, even the microphone signal and only key with PTT or XMIT, the tone is still there. Any clues of what's going is appreciated. 73 Ingo SM5AJV From cautery at montac.com Thu Jul 21 05:24:33 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:24:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim! Yes, eventually there will be quite a collection of gear. My #1 Elmer showed up at my door and surprised me with a NICE RS-35M to get me off that SMPS. It is super quiet. I haven't opened it up yet, but I know (from one of your papers) what to look for. And I suspect my Elmer has already gone over this unit with a fine-toothed comb. He's an old Motorola and Air Force comms tech. Eventually, I DO plan to power the entire shack from batteries and am considering modifying linear supplies to provide the DC to the charger controller(s). I will probably use the PWRGate as an interim solution as per Kevin's reiterated "OK" via email today... Have a lot on my plate to complete before I get to that... Just got a "new" (to me) HP 5335A today, so I need to back up and cal the radio while I wait on the rest of the sub-panel project parts to arrive. And I am cooperating with Elecraft (and hopefully Powerwerx) to figure out how to mitigate the problems with the switcher supply. (Sounds like reverse current through the regulator circuit.... almost smoked my fan controller because I almost forgot to protect against this when switching to the 12VDC input from the 13.8VDC input... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/21/2016 1:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,7/20/10:52 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: >> you probably don't need much more than 20 amp capability. I have used >> an Astron RS-20 for the past 35 years but I would probably go for the >> RS-35 or RS-50 if I was getting another one. > > That depends on what gear other than the radio that you want to run > from it, and whether it is charging a battery which runs the gear or > the supply is running the gear directly. It's easy for other 12V gear > in a shack to add several amps to the load, and the fancier the shack > gets, the more that increases. Clay said he wanted to run all his gear > from it (but not the KPA, I am assuming, because it's 120/240V > powered). The gear I saw included computer monitors, a K-Line, and > some accessories. Perhaps there will someday be antenna relays. And so > on. > > Also, the numbers in Astron's model names do NOT correspond to steady > state load capacity. It's important to study the data sheets. They are > generally well regarded for reliability, but every one I've opened had > a bonding problem which is important, but easy to fix. > > Another important characteristic of Astron supplies is that their > output regulator circuit is likely to fry if connected to charge a > battery but the supply is not powered. Like in a power failure. Ask me > how I know this. :) Astron sells a module to place between the supply > and the battery to solve this problem. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From tony.kaz at verizon.net Thu Jul 21 06:25:38 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01d1e33a$3a37d180$aea77480$@verizon.net> I agree. Once you get the knack of it there is not an issue at high run rates. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Prather Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:17 PM Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Ian, If you get good at making the recording you can have virtually no delay at either the beginning or end of the message. Rick K6LE On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > All, > > > > After competing somewhat competitively in the Georgia QSO Party the > last few years, and participating as one of the hunted 13 Colonies > special event stations in Georgia for the last couple of years, I find > myself ready to add a voice keyer to my shack set up. To that end, and > in order to minimize desk clutter, I'm looking at the KDVR3 for my K3 > s/n 281 as a possible solution. > However, I've heard anecdotal evidence from hams in my area who have > the > KDVR3 that it probably isn't the best solution for a voice keyer > because it has long (>1 sec) delays before both beginning transmission > of the recorded message and dropping transmit at the end of the > message. Before I drop $150 on a component that might not be the > solution I'm looking for, I would love to get others' opinions and > feedback on their experiences using the KDVR3 as a voice keyer. > > > > Thanks and 73, > > > > --Ian > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > rick.prather at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From pincon at erols.com Thu Jul 21 07:46:49 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> Who exactly IS K3DVR ? Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" antenna and changed his call when his company went public? There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Hi guys, I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in particular if you're going to be low power. pincon at erols.com From tony.kaz at verizon.net Thu Jul 21 08:09:28 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:09:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> Message-ID: <005101d1e348$bb8808a0$329819e0$@verizon.net> Actually he is a guy that seems to repeat himself a lot. And it is the same thing over and over. He can be very tiring but at the same time he gives you some relief so you can keep your mouth shut. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Who exactly IS K3DVR ? Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" antenna and changed his call when his company went public? There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Hi guys, I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in particular if you're going to be low power. pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Jul 21 08:28:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:28:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <9300f169-5304-1dd7-4b67-9a1d9c02a0ed@triconet.org> That would have been my recommendation. I discovered a couple of weeks ago that I had a new-in-box RS-35M in my storage shed that I bought for a spare 20+ years ago. Never needed it. Fired it up just for the heck of it and it's FB. On 7/21/2016 2:24 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Thanks Jim! > > Yes, eventually there will be quite a collection of gear. My #1 Elmer > showed up at my door and surprised me with a NICE RS-35M to get me off > that SMPS. It is super quiet. From thelastdb at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 08:41:36 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (Myron Schaffer) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:41:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> Jim and Clay, It used to be that way....the RS linear models could not tolerate external voltage present when unpowered, not anymore. Astron has incorporated back-voltage protection through incorporation of some diodes installed in key locations to prevent this. You can verify if your supply has this modification by looking at the circuit board and see a 1N4001 type diode soldered across 2-pins (can't remember which ones off the top of my head) of the IC voltage regulator LM-723 chip and others hung in various places to protect the pass transistor as well. Usually soldered to the solder side of the circuit board so they are easy to spot. I can't remember is there were some small capacitors added as well. Any newer (like newer than 1990) linear Astron will have these installed. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Wed,7/20/2016 10:52 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: >> you probably don't need much more than 20 amp capability. I have used an Astron RS-20 for the past 35 years but I would probably go for the RS-35 or RS-50 if I was getting another one. > > That depends on what gear other than the radio that you want to run from it, and whether it is charging a battery which runs the gear or the supply is running the gear directly. It's easy for other 12V gear in a shack to add several amps to the load, and the fancier the shack gets, the more that increases. Clay said he wanted to run all his gear from it (but not the KPA, I am assuming, because it's 120/240V powered). The gear I saw included computer monitors, a K-Line, and some accessories. Perhaps there will someday be antenna relays. And so on. > > Also, the numbers in Astron's model names do NOT correspond to steady state load capacity. It's important to study the data sheets. They are generally well regarded for reliability, but every one I've opened had a bonding problem which is important, but easy to fix. > > Another important characteristic of Astron supplies is that their output regulator circuit is likely to fry if connected to charge a battery but the supply is not powered. Like in a power failure. Ask me how I know this. :) Astron sells a module to place between the supply and the battery to solve this problem. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com From ktalbott at gamewood.net Thu Jul 21 09:01:06 2016 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:01:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Are any of you using a solar panel to charge KX2 battery? In-Reply-To: <002701d1e1fb$84417be0$8cc473a0$@org> References: <002701d1e1fb$84417be0$8cc473a0$@org> Message-ID: <005201d1e34f$f2a47240$d7ed56c0$@gamewood.net> I use the iMax B6 DC-to-DC charger. http://tinyurl.com/j8mxpub It will charge almost any battery technology in many combinations of stacks / parallels. It provides CC/CV charging for packs with internal min/max/balancing as well as standard connections for those that require external balancing. CAUTION! You must know what your battery expects and program the charger properly. The charging output uses banana plugs and adapters, so even more care is required. Another model with AC or DC inputs is available for $27. GL de ken ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Parnell Sent: July 19, 2016 16:24 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Are any of you using a solar panel to charge KX2 battery? Hello! I am a newly minted KX2 owner and this is my first post here - so be gentle J. So far, I am having a ball with the rig and enjoying discovering it's many features. Just before ordering the KXBT2 battery pack for the KX2, I called Elecraft and asked if the unit could be charged with a solar panel - I like backpacking with QRP. A few years ago (using a Hendricks PFR3 QRP rig), I found that a small folding solar panel and charge controller works well with a A123 LiPo 12V 3 Ah bat and saves me quite a bit of weight in my pack vs using gel cells. My practice is to charge one battery while using the another. I first contacted the bat distributor's tech person who said that it would charge just fine based on the specs for my small Morningstar charge controller.. the bats and folding panel weigh less than 1.5 lbs. Since the KXBT2 is a different voltage, I thought I should call Elecraft and ask if this setup would likewise work with it. Their rep told me that the KXBT2 should ONLY be charged via the provided AC charger. Now that I have one, I am delving a bit and found this: a " Venom 2-4 Cell AC/DC RC LiPo Dual Battery Balance Charger" on Amazon (designed for RC use). It is small and can charge 2-4 cells @ .1-3Amps and accepts 10-18VDC as well as AC. It could easily be set to match the 12.6V @ 2A output of the Tenergy AC charger. https://www.amazon.com/Venom-RC-Battery-Balance-Charger/dp/B00GYPG5JU/ref=sr _1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1468956041&sr=8-2&keywords=12v+lipo+charger So, my question is: Has anyone tried charging their KXBT2 bat with a solar panel? ..or. do any of you foresee any issues using the above gear to charge the KXBT2? (Thinking out loud, I would think that some sort of charge controller specific to the KX line would be a popular accessory for Elecraft to make available, considering that portability is a main draw for this stuff) 73 - de John, K7HV From pincon at erols.com Thu Jul 21 09:15:05 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:15:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003401d1e351$e8f8f160$baead420$@erols.com> Boy, talk about LOOOOONNNGG life. The ?723 regulator IC has been around almost as long as 811-A's ! Wasn't it introduced by Fairchild in the 60's? I wonder how many ( XX thousands ??) of power supplies have been designed around it. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Myron Schaffer Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:42 AM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations Jim and Clay, It used to be that way....the RS linear models could not tolerate external voltage present when unpowered, not anymore. Astron has incorporated back-voltage protection through incorporation of some diodes installed in key locations to prevent this. You can verify if your supply has this modification by looking at the circuit board and see a 1N4001 type diode soldered across 2-pins (can't remember which ones off the top of my head) of the IC voltage regulator LM-723 chip and others hung in various places to protect the pass transistor as well. Usually soldered to the solder side of the circuit board so they are easy to spot. I can't remember is there were some small capacitors added as well. Any newer (like newer than 1990) linear Astron will have these installed. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Wed,7/20/2016 10:52 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: >> you probably don't need much more than 20 amp capability. I have used an Astron RS-20 for the past 35 years but I would probably go for the RS-35 or RS-50 if I was getting another one. > > That depends on what gear other than the radio that you want to run from it, and whether it is charging a battery which runs the gear or the supply is running the gear directly. It's easy for other 12V gear in a shack to add several amps to the load, and the fancier the shack gets, the more that increases. Clay said he wanted to run all his gear from it (but not the KPA, I am assuming, because it's 120/240V powered). The gear I saw included computer monitors, a K-Line, and some accessories. Perhaps there will someday be antenna relays. And so on. > > Also, the numbers in Astron's model names do NOT correspond to steady state load capacity. It's important to study the data sheets. They are generally well regarded for reliability, but every one I've opened had a bonding problem which is important, but easy to fix. > > Another important characteristic of Astron supplies is that their output regulator circuit is likely to fry if connected to charge a battery but the supply is not powered. Like in a power failure. Ask me how I know this. :) Astron sells a module to place between the supply and the battery to solve this problem. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > thelastdb at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 09:38:57 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:38:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S/P3 Set Up - The Essentials? Message-ID: <1469108337458-7620494.post@n2.nabble.com> A new K3S (2.8/2.1/1.0/400/250) and P3 with SVGA/TXMON arriving early next week (with ATU and SubRX, SS30DV PSU) and I'll run off a G5RV with remote ATU at base for now, with the stock ProSet-2 headset and MH2 mike. I'm working through the Elecraft Manual and Cady's books too, taking notes. If K3/K3S users have any "first thing you want to do is", "don't forget to set the", "it won't work if you don't", sort of tips for initial set up, I'd appreciate it. I'll be doing a lot of listening on CW/SSB first. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3S-P3-Set-Up-The-Essentials-tp7620494.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 09:44:20 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:44:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S/P3 Set Up - The Essentials? In-Reply-To: <1469108337458-7620494.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469108337458-7620494.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5CCEFCBC-9AE1-43AE-938C-1F690F9CF618@gmail.com> I'll start it. First thing you want to do is Hide the invoice with total amount spent from your spouse. LOL Congrats Gerald KC6CNN > On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:38 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > > A new K3S (2.8/2.1/1.0/400/250) and P3 with SVGA/TXMON arriving early next > week (with ATU and SubRX, SS30DV PSU) and I'll run off a G5RV with remote > ATU at base for now, with the stock ProSet-2 headset and MH2 mike. I'm > working through the Elecraft Manual and Cady's books too, taking notes. > > If K3/K3S users have any "first thing you want to do is", "don't forget to > set the", "it won't work if you don't", sort of tips for initial set up, I'd > appreciate it. I'll be doing a lot of listening on CW/SSB first. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3S-P3-Set-Up-The-Essentials-tp7620494.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com From cbjesseenh at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 09:48:43 2016 From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S/P3 Set Up - The Essentials? In-Reply-To: <5CCEFCBC-9AE1-43AE-938C-1F690F9CF618@gmail.com> References: <1469108337458-7620494.post@n2.nabble.com> <5CCEFCBC-9AE1-43AE-938C-1F690F9CF618@gmail.com> Message-ID: <265383016.2259014.1469108923910.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Jul 21 10:28:43 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:28:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S/P3 Set Up - The Essentials? In-Reply-To: <1469108337458-7620494.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469108337458-7620494.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469111323172-7620497.post@n2.nabble.com> Ah not to worry. Elecraft rigs aren't like computers where they're shipped to you completely broken and you're wasting the better part of a week trying to get it into a usable state. All you'll really have to do is plug it all in and turn it on, and you're ready to go. They do a superb job with the default settings and everything works first time out of the box. I've had my K3S since the spring and I haven't had to do a thing to it. I've twiddled with some of the settings like the AGC and played with the noise reduction but that's about all. The K2, yeah you have to build it first, hi hi, but the K3s comes completely configured/calibrated, etc. right out of the box. Enjoy! 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3S-P3-Set-Up-The-Essentials-tp7620494p7620497.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jerry at molaver.org Thu Jul 21 10:29:21 2016 From: jerry at molaver.org (Jerry) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:29:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you! Message-ID: Its been several months now since I became active on HF again with my new K3S. Its been a blast (and a hell of a learning experience). I would just like to express my thanks to many, many members of this mail list who took the time to email me with suggestions not only on the K3 but also on logging software. I eventually decided on DxLab and even with my technical background, all I can say is 'magic'. We're not in Kansas anymore Toto. I still have much to learn about the K3 and certainly DxLab. Having implemented the logging and control functions of the software, I really enjoy operating now. I don't even have to wonder what that call was that I wrote down in the paper log before - my handwriting sucks. With a fan dipole I have worked 113 countries in the past few months of casual operating - its like being 13 again! 73 Jerry, k1tgx From eric at elecraft.com Thu Jul 21 11:31:43 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:31:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <005101d1e348$bb8808a0$329819e0$@verizon.net> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> <005101d1e348$bb8808a0$329819e0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Actually, the correct name for the DVR option on the K3 and K3S is, drum roll.. 'KDVR3' (not K3DVR) . As noted by several other KDVR3 users, if the recording audio starts immediately after pressing the button to start recording, and ended immediately after the audio stops by pressing the button, there should be no delay on playback. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/21/2016 5:09 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Actually he is a guy that seems to repeat himself a lot. And it is the same > thing over and over. He can be very tiring but at the same time he gives you > some relief so you can keep your mouth shut. > > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Charlie T, K3ICH > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR > > Who exactly IS K3DVR ? > > Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" > antenna and changed his call when his company went public? > > There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fabio > IZ4AFW / NZ1W > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM > Cc: elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR > > Hi guys, > I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. > My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in > particular if you're going to be low power. > pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 11:37:31 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> Message-ID: <07ad01d1e365$cbcc7030$63655090$@gmail.com> Charlie, I meant KDVR3. I changed the nomenclature reference in the body of the email, but forgot to change the subject line. My apologies for the confusion. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Who exactly IS K3DVR ? Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" antenna and changed his call when his company went public? There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Hi guys, I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in particular if you're going to be low power. pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n1al at sonic.net Thu Jul 21 11:54:30 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF noise in solar photovoltaic system In-Reply-To: <578D912C.50204@sonic.net> References: <014001d1e15f$d0ef6e30$72ce4a90$@alum.mit.edu> <578D912C.50204@sonic.net> Message-ID: In case anyone's interested, I decided not to go with Solar City. I think they would have done a fine job of installing a standard, off-the-shelf solar system with a 20-year warranty that would have worked fine as far as providing solar power. I was planning to buy it outright rather than lease and I'm convinced that the investment would have paid for itself in reduced electricity costs. But I was worried about RF interference from the inverter, basically a 3000-watt switching power supply attached to the side of my house. So instead I have decided to go with a local company that is willing to work with me on RFI issues, even though their price is higher. Rather than one big inverter, their system uses "micro-inverters" mounted on each solar panel. They did some research and found that it is possible to get extension cables to go between each micro-inverter and its panel and between each micro-inverter and the power bus. The extra length can accommodate a common-mode choke by wrapping several turns of the cable through a ferrite core. So the plan is to install the system without chokes and see if there is any interference. If so, then I will buy the extra cables and ferrite cores and install the chokes. For testing purposes I can just temporarily disconnect all the panels but one and then apply whatever works with one to them all. Alan N1AL On 07/18/2016 07:32 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I am now leaning on going with a local company rather than Solar City. > They quoted a higher price for a lower-power system, but because of some > convoluted accounting it will actually end up costing me less. And they > are at least willing to talk about adding some common-mode chokes. Their > system uses micro-inverters on each panel, which potentially should > cause less interference because all the switching electronics is > localized with short connections. Only 240 VAC 60 Hz comes out of the > panels. > > Alan N1AL > > > On 07/18/2016 06:49 PM, John Kaufmann wrote: >> My advice on Solar City is to avoid them at all costs. Their systems, >> manufactured by SolarEdge, generate horrendous broadband RF noise.... From joel.b.black at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 13:10:31 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Adafruit P/N 1737 Wireless Keyboard Message-ID: The Adafruit 1737 wireless keyboard I ordered showed up today. Appears to work fine with the PX3 in case anyone?s interested. I would consider the price a little high with shipping - $17 for the keyboard and more than $12 for shipping. The keyboard is not very robust but I don?t plan on standing on it. :) All I?ve tried so far is Ctrl-Alt-M to see if it would communicate. It communicates fine. I will try adding macros in the next day or two but I don?t think there will be any issue. 73, Joel - W4JBB From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 21 13:41:55 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:41:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Adafruit P/N 1737 Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recently acquired this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M75WPKO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and am using it with my computer. Caveat: Not yet tested with PX3, but I really like it with computer, it seems well built and price was right. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/21/16 10:10 AM, Joel Black wrote: > The Adafruit 1737 wireless keyboard I ordered showed up today. Appears to work fine with the PX3 in case anyone?s interested. > > I would consider the price a little high with shipping - $17 for the keyboard and more than $12 for shipping. The keyboard is not very robust but I don?t plan on standing on it. :) > > All I?ve tried so far is Ctrl-Alt-M to see if it would communicate. It communicates fine. I will try adding macros in the next day or two but I don?t think there will be any issue. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB From cautery at montac.com Thu Jul 21 14:39:35 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:39:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> Message-ID: <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> Thanks Myron... Haven't cracked the case yet, but will check and verify... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/21/2016 7:41 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote: > Jim and Clay, > > It used to be that way....the RS linear models could not tolerate external voltage present when unpowered, not anymore. Astron has incorporated back-voltage protection through incorporation of some diodes installed in key locations to prevent this. > > You can verify if your supply has this modification by looking at the circuit board and see a 1N4001 type diode soldered across 2-pins (can't remember which ones off the top of my head) of the IC voltage regulator LM-723 chip and others hung in various places to protect the pass transistor as well. Usually soldered to the solder side of the circuit board so they are easy to spot. I can't remember is there were some small capacitors added as well. > > Any newer (like newer than 1990) linear Astron will have these installed. > > Myron WV?H > Printed on Recycled Data From w7aqk at cox.net Thu Jul 21 15:05:56 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:05:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Message-ID: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Hi All, FWIW, there was a very interesting program I watched last night on PBS. The regular program called "Nova" had a most informative discussion about the solar cycle and how it affects us here on Earth. It won't tell you everything you want to know about propagation, etc., but it does give a lot of perspective as to why our communications can be so disrupted by solar storms. They also talked a lot about "sunspots"! We tend to think the more the better for us, but do we really understand how they form, and the effect they have? This gives you some insight about that. Anyway, you might want to check it out, and I think you can watch it online at www.pbs.org/nova. Dave W7AQK From bob.novas at verizon.net Thu Jul 21 15:07:37 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:07:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The new k-pod has arriv! Message-ID: <013401d1e383$25706980$70513c80$@verizon.net> I like it a lot! Still have to figure out what macros to setup. In the way of a wish list, what I would really like to do with the tuning knob is have it control the small knob on the P3, and assign one of the k-pod buttons to do what happens when you click (push) that knob. The way I like to use the P3 is to use the P3 knob to move the receiver VFO frequency cursor to a signal, and then click the P3 knob to move the receiver VFO frequency there. I can usually hit the signal first try, if I use the frequency readout and assume the signal is either on 0khz or .5khz. This works for a lot of signals. I think it would be a great feature if this could be done with the k-pod knob and button instead of the P3. Is that likely to happen anytime? Thanks, Bob - W3DK From ab2tc at arrl.net Thu Jul 21 15:33:57 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:33:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: <1469129637316-7620507.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Dave, The link works but I could not find the video you mention. I put "solar circle" into their search engine and it came up with nothing from this year. Maybe you can provide some more details on how to work this site. The program sounds very interesting. AB2TC - Knut w7aqk wrote > Hi All, > > FWIW, there was a very interesting program I watched last night on PBS. > The > regular program called "Nova" had a most informative discussion about the > solar cycle and how it affects us here on Earth. It won't tell you > everything you want to know about propagation, etc., but it does give a > lot > of perspective as to why our communications can be so disrupted by solar > storms. They also talked a lot about "sunspots"! We tend to think the > more > the better for us, but do we really understand how they form, and the > effect > they have? This gives you some insight about that. > > Anyway, you might want to check it out, and I think you can watch it > online > at www.pbs.org/nova. > > Dave W7AQK > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Solar-Cycle-tp7620505p7620507.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 15:37:18 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 05:37:18 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: <07ad01d1e365$cbcc7030$63655090$@gmail.com> References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> <07ad01d1e365$cbcc7030$63655090$@gmail.com> Message-ID: OK. I'll admit to being confused. If there is no delay (Press and HOLD M! if that is where I placed my voice recording) why would you NOT want a delay, which is adjustable? If there is no delay, how do I answer your call?....you will be transmitting again so will not hear me? When contesting, I set my time between Play-receive-play at 4 seconds to allow me to hear somebody calling me. Am I missing something here? Maybe this explains some stations not allowing enough delay or receive time between calls so that i can't get my call out quick enough for them to hear me before they transmit again. Just curious. To me the KDVR3 is essential for me, had it since day one 8 years ago. Gary On 22 July 2016 at 01:37, Ian - Ham wrote: > Charlie, > > I meant KDVR3. I changed the nomenclature reference in the body of the > email, but forgot to change the subject line. My apologies for the > confusion. > > 73 de, > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Charlie T, K3ICH > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR > > Who exactly IS K3DVR ? > > Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" > antenna and changed his call when his company went public? > > There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Fabio > IZ4AFW / NZ1W > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM > Cc: elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR > > Hi guys, > I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. > My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in > particular if you're going to be low power. > pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz Motorhome Portable* *Miss Behavin'* *Elecraft K3KPA500FT #18KAT500FT #007* From ab2tc at arrl.net Thu Jul 21 15:46:02 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:46:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <1469129637316-7620507.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <1469129637316-7620507.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469130362382-7620509.post@n2.nabble.com> Silly me, I meant "solar cycle". AB2TC - Knut ab2tc wrote > Hi Dave, > > The link works but I could not find the video you mention. I put "solar > circle" into their search engine and it came up with nothing from this > year. Maybe you can provide some more details on how to work this site. > The program sounds very interesting. > > AB2TC - Knut > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Solar-Cycle-tp7620505p7620509.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Jul 21 16:19:11 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:19:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: http://www.bandconditions.com/ Great for a quick glance at band conditions and some other related stuff also. Bill W2BLC K-Line From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 21 16:25:17 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:25:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> OTOH sometimes "no news is good news". Propagation data these days is not happy reading, Bill ;-) Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Jul 21, 2016, at 13:19, Bill wrote: > > http://www.bandconditions.com/ Great for a quick glance at band conditions and some other related stuff also. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > __________________________________________ From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 16:48:35 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:48:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> <07ad01d1e365$cbcc7030$63655090$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07f501d1e391$405fac70$c11f0550$@gmail.com> Gary, The delay I referred to originally is not between message cycles. It referred to the following: Press M1 to play CQ message -> Wait 1 second -> Message finally plays -> Wait another second -> DVR releases transmit so you can hear answering stations on receive. I apologize if my original request caused confusion. Thanks and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 From: Gary Gregory [mailto:vk1zzgary at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:37 PM To: Ian - Ham Cc: Charlie T, K3ICH ; Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR OK. I'll admit to being confused. If there is no delay (Press and HOLD M! if that is where I placed my voice recording) why would you NOT want a delay, which is adjustable? If there is no delay, how do I answer your call?....you will be transmitting again so will not hear me? When contesting, I set my time between Play-receive-play at 4 seconds to allow me to hear somebody calling me. Am I missing something here? Maybe this explains some stations not allowing enough delay or receive time between calls so that i can't get my call out quick enough for them to hear me before they transmit again. Just curious. To me the KDVR3 is essential for me, had it since day one 8 years ago. Gary On 22 July 2016 at 01:37, Ian - Ham > wrote: Charlie, I meant KDVR3. I changed the nomenclature reference in the body of the email, but forgot to change the subject line. My apologies for the confusion. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net ] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Who exactly IS K3DVR ? Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" antenna and changed his call when his company went public? There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net ] On Behalf Of Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM Cc: elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Hi guys, I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in particular if you're going to be low power. pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com -- Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHL Skype: Gary.VK1ZZ http://www.qsl.net/vk1zz Motorhome Portable Miss Behavin' Elecraft K3 KPA500FT #18 KAT500FT #007 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ron at cobi.biz Thu Jul 21 16:53:07 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:53:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Time was, we just turned on the receiver and tuned across the bands. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:25 PM To: Bill Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle OTOH sometimes "no news is good news". Propagation data these days is not happy reading, Bill ;-) Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Jul 21, 2016, at 13:19, Bill wrote: > > http://www.bandconditions.com/ Great for a quick glance at band conditions and some other related stuff also. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > __________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 16:58:48 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:58:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> <005101d1e348$bb8808a0$329819e0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <08a201d1e392$adc16c80$09444580$@gmail.com> So, Eric, does that mean that, if I purchase a KDVR3, and it doesn't provide the solution I'm looking for (for whatever reason), you'll buy it back from me? :-) Thanks for the feedback. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:32 AM To: N2TK, Tony ; 'Charlie T, K3ICH' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR Actually, the correct name for the DVR option on the K3 and K3S is, drum roll.. 'KDVR3' (not K3DVR) . As noted by several other KDVR3 users, if the recording audio starts immediately after pressing the button to start recording, and ended immediately after the audio stops by pressing the button, there should be no delay on playback. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/21/2016 5:09 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Actually he is a guy that seems to repeat himself a lot. And it is the > same thing over and over. He can be very tiring but at the same time > he gives you some relief so you can keep your mouth shut. > > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Charlie T, K3ICH > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:47 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR > > Who exactly IS K3DVR ? > > Wasn't he the guy who invented the famous "Downspout Vertical Radiator" > antenna and changed his call when his company went public? > > There's no listing on QRZ.COM for that call, so I assume he's an SK now. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 AM > Cc: elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR > > Hi guys, > I have my KDVR installed since my first K3. > My activity is 99.5% contesting... my best spent bucks definitely, in > particular if you're going to be low power. > pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > eric.swartz at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 21 17:25:34 2016 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (ac5p at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:25:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: <1469136334.28233.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web185403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Can you check your PBS TV station schedule and give us the title of that NOVA program?? Our station was running the RNC. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Jul 21 17:26:48 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:26:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Message-ID: I still do that. No boot up time required and it's location specific.. On 7/21/2016 1:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Time was, we just turned on the receiver and tuned across the bands. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil > Wheeler > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:25 PM > To: Bill > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > > OTOH sometimes "no news is good news". Propagation data these days is not > happy reading, Bill ;-) > > Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > >> On Jul 21, 2016, at 13:19, Bill wrote: >> >> http://www.bandconditions.com/ Great for a quick glance at band > conditions and some other related stuff also. >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> __________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From augie.hansen at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 17:33:11 2016 From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:33:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <1469136334.28233.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web185403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1469136334.28233.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web185403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Secrets of the Sun" 04/25/2012 was the original broadcast date 73, Gus On 7/21/2016 3:25 PM, ac5p at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Can you check your PBS TV station schedule and give us the title of that NOVA program? Our station was running the RNC. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to augie.hansen at comcast.net > From mveeneman at yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 17:38:57 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:38:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Adafruit P/N 1737 Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8041426F-897D-4B32-BA8E-45F0B55402DC@yahoo.com> These all look suspiciously alike, and have no branding on the keyboard itself. I have this one, but sold under a different name. It works great. I also have one that looks identical except for the ON-OFF switch. There isn't one. It also works great. One is on the P3/SVGA, the other is on the PX3. They've been interchanged between the two and work correctly either place. I prefer the one with no switch because it's always ready to go. For reasons of training and perhaps OCD, I do turn the switch off on the keyboard with the switch. I use NIMH rechargeables in both and they haven't needed recharging in over a year. YMMV 73 -- Marc W8SDG > On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > I recently acquired this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M75WPKO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and am using it with my computer. Caveat: Not yet tested with PX3, but I really like it with computer, it seems well built and price was right. > > 73, Phil W7OX From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 17:42:36 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> <005101d1e348$bb8808a0$329819e0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: I find that the delay at the beginning and end of a K3 DVR recording is 100% controllable by me and with a minor amount of practice can be set where needed to incorporate a proper "breath pause" to make concatenated messages sound natural, or start and end right at the waveform edges. Since I use N1MM to control the repeat timing, something which really needs to be adjusted as the contest goes on, the K3 timing is not an issue. The N1MM repeat delay is a function key input, extremely handy and fast. To me anyway, using MM for controlling repeat time is far superior than anything you could put in the radio. Alt+R and Ctrl+R work spiffy and don't involve moving my fingers off the keyboard, or putting a pause in my transmissions that could lose my run frequency. Though I will say that I rarely use anything shorter than the K3's default repeat timing. Any longer pause can be created by a little extra pause before and after in the recording, so I really don't get what the fuss is on that score. For SSB contesting, I record everything, except numbers and letters for call signs and serial numbers, in the eight memories used by the DVR. The N1MM function key strings include K3 DVR invocation strings. These are eight simple ones I always have loaded in N1MM SSB function key definitions, and leave in the four primary memories for casual DX when I don't have MM running. ################### # RUN Messages ################### f1m1 CQ,{CATA1ASC SWT21;} f2m2 Exch,{CATA1ASC SWT31;} f3m4 73,{CATA1ASC SWT39;} f4m3 K2AV,{CATA1ASC SWT35;} ..... ################### # S&P Messages ################### f1 Spare,- f2m2 Exch,{CATA1ASC SWT31;} f3 Spare,- f4m3 K2AV,{CATA1ASC SWT35;} I got used to the K3 memory key contents before I started using the CATA1ASC commands, and that's why the F key numbers and the Memory key numbers aren't the same. When things get busy, I remember all of that by position, not number, more of a muscle memory thing. So I put the M key numbers in the MM F key button texts. It's seamless and I find voice to mic, to K3, with K3 voice processing saved in the memories, from listener comments, to be superior in non-distorted-sounding punch to anything else I have ever used with my simply-awful-for-radio soft voice with muted sibilants. They say me over the K3 doesn't sound like me at all AND that me-over-the-K3 is much easier to understand and listen to :>). I'll take that. Certainly seems to work in the contests. One of my PVRC acquaintances, hearing this for the first time in the SS SSB, remarked over the air, "Your computer voice keying sounds really great, much better than you in person." As usual, YMMV. 73, Guy K2AV On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > Actually, the correct name for the DVR option on the K3 and K3S is, drum > roll.. 'KDVR3' (not K3DVR) . > > As noted by several other KDVR3 users, if the recording audio starts > immediately after pressing the button to start recording, and ended > immediately after the audio stops by pressing the button, there should be > no delay on playback. > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > From n7xy at n7xy.net Thu Jul 21 17:48:24 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:48:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Message-ID: I did it a few days ago. I didn't hear anything. On 7/21/16 2:26 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I still do that. No boot up time required and it's location specific.. > > On 7/21/2016 1:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Time was, we just turned on the receiver and tuned across the bands. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Phil >> Wheeler >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:25 PM >> To: Bill >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle >> >> OTOH sometimes "no news is good news". Propagation data these days is >> not >> happy reading, Bill ;-) >> >> Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S >> >>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 13:19, Bill wrote: >>> >>> http://www.bandconditions.com/ Great for a quick glance at band >> conditions and some other related stuff also. >>> Bill W2BLC K-Line >>> __________________________________________ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to ron at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > . > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Jul 21 17:53:39 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:53:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Message-ID: Connect an antenna. On 7/21/2016 2:48 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > I did it a few days ago. I didn't hear anything. > > On 7/21/16 2:26 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I still do that. No boot up time required and it's location specific.. From btippett at alum.mit.edu Thu Jul 21 17:57:13 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:57:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1469138233090-7620521.post@n2.nabble.com> "Secrets of the Sun" is free on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncphh8FWUUE 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Solar-Cycle-tp7620505p7620521.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 21 17:59:03 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:59:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Message-ID: <9f5795df-ff56-e2ef-9892-808c5e6641a8@socal.rr.com> Peaceful, isn't it? On 7/21/16 2:48 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > I did it a few days ago. I didn't hear anything. > > On 7/21/16 2:26 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I still do that. No boot up time required and >> it's location specific.. >> >> On 7/21/2016 1:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> Time was, we just turned on the receiver and >>> tuned across the bands. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft >>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On >>> Behalf Of Phil >>> Wheeler >>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:25 PM >>> To: Bill >>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle >>> >>> OTOH sometimes "no news is good news". >>> Propagation data these days is not >>> happy reading, Bill ;-) >>> >>> Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S >>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 13:19, Bill >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> http://www.bandconditions.com/ Great for a >>>> quick glance at band >>> conditions and some other related stuff also. >>>> Bill W2BLC K-Line From eric.csuf at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 18:04:30 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:04:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Message-ID: <009af4a6-e581-df4e-f084-14b52c071fb6@gmail.com> That's tougher to do these days. A lot of people are busy on the internet or whatever and watching spots. I see this in county hunting, SKCC and just about everywhere. During the week, I can tune the entire CW portion of 20 meters and not hear a single station. A check on RBN shows me hitting just about every skimmer in North America with a decent signal, so I know I'm getting out and everything's working, but nobody is calling CQ or in QSO. The conditions are there for stateside, but nobody's on. Weekends light up if there is a contest. Signals will be decent until the end of the contest, then the last one out turns off the lights. Not a peep to be heard late Sunday afternoon. It's eerie. I tune around 20m CW two or three times a day and call CQ if RBN shows there's any hope of being heard somewhere, but during the week it can get frustrating. That would be fine, but it's too damn hot to work on projects in the garage instead. Eric KE6US On 7/21/2016 1:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Time was, we just turned on the receiver and tuned across the bands. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Jul 21 18:16:55 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:16:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations Message-ID: <201607212216.u6LMGuPb019974@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I blew up the LM-723 in my old Astron VS-35M by trying to use it as a battery charger quite a few years ago (I bought the Astron to power my TS-180S in 1981). A year ago it failed to output and blew the fuses. Turned out one of the rectifiers shorted. I replaced both and its working fine as workbench PS. I guessed the output pass regulator transistors shorted so bought four. Now I have four spares (2016-1981 = 35 years and counting). My workplace (retired seven years) used a bunch of Basecom-20 which were identical to Astron RS-20A which all used the LM-723. My guess Astron markets a lot of PS that are relabeled. I use a 50A PS for powering my station (Has TAIT Two-way Radio label but meters are labeled Astron; guessing RS-50M). It maintains a charge on a 17AH gel-cell which I use to power by station 10-MHz OCXO reference. It's run 24/7 for years. Much newer than the VS-35M. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca Thu Jul 21 18:31:06 2016 From: ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca (Mike Smith VE9AA) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:31:06 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] SO2V mixed mode oddity Message-ID: <002501d1e39f$92a706a0$b7f513e0$@nbnet.nb.ca> Reported by myself (Mike VE9AA) on the N1MM+ list but described much better by VE3KI, Rich, below. Has anyone found a work around to mixed mode SO2V operating when the sub rx is on SSB? (incidently, K8UT does not notice this on his K3S) [Elecraft] [K3] Strange filter behaviour in the subRX Richard Ferch Sat, 02 Jul 2016 15:43:22 -0700 After a user reported problems with filter settings in N1MM+ in SO2V with one VFO in CW and the other VFO in SSB, I did some investigating. I had never tried mixed-mode dual receive before. After doing some experimenting, first with N1MM+ and then with the radio on its own, I conclude that there does appear to be a problem, but it seems to be in the K3 firmware, not in N1MM+. After some initial exploration, I ran audio spectrum analysis software on the Line Out output of the K3 with band noise input on a dead band, default filter settings and with no radio control software of any kind running. With both VFOs in SSB, the noise spectrum display is similar for both VFOs - reasonably flat (plus or minus a few dB) from 200 Hz to 2800 Hz, more or less. If one VFO is in CW and the other VFO is in SSB (or DATA A, which seems to behave the same way), the VFO A SSB plot looks the same as before, but when I use the K3's A/B button to swap VFOs, the spectrum display for VFO B in SSB looks quite different, with a more or less linear rolloff of roughly 10 dB/kHz (not per octave, per kHz) from 700 Hz to 2700 Hz. That is, at 1700 Hz the spectrum plot is down around 10 dB from the value at 700 Hz, and at 2700 Hz it is down around another 10 dB. The difference is clearly audible. I can fix this by pressing the B-SET button on the K3, which restores a flat response profile in VFO B, but when I press A/B twice to swap the SSB and CW settings between the two VFOs twice, the rolloff comes back when VFO B is in SSB mode. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Is there a configuration setting that can fix it? 73, Rich VE3KI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 18:31:21 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:31:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Looking for feedback on K3DVR In-Reply-To: References: <06e601d1e2d6$36f91fb0$a4eb5f10$@gmail.com> <16176843-FF01-4A4B-8F39-FFFA90EE98B3@widomaker.com> <002201d1e345$94a365c0$bdea3140$@erols.com> <005101d1e348$bb8808a0$329819e0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <08d401d1e39f$9bac98a0$d305c9e0$@gmail.com> Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the KDVR3. Looks like I'll be placing an order with the gang in Aptos soon! I might even start upgrading those parts of my old K3 that can be upgraded to K3S standard! 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From eschuller at ymail.com Thu Jul 21 18:35:11 2016 From: eschuller at ymail.com (eschuller at ymail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD LED programming Message-ID: I'll ask this again: how does one program the 4 LED's on the K-POD. D-1 through D-3 are assigned by "default" to the rocker switch, which would imply that they can be changed. D-4 just sits there darkly staring at me with no ability to be programmed. On page 5 of the manual the caption states "LEDs D1 through D4 programmable to indicate status of K3 functions". My question is: how???? 73, Ed K6CTA Sent from my iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 21 19:07:34 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:07:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD LED programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d6b881e-05b3-492d-d65e-c877a00497b9@embarqmail.com> Ed, The answer is "later". The Utility to make those LED assignments has to be created. For now, the LEDs "do what they do". Later on as resources become available to work on that task, you will be able to program them. This is one case where the manual is ahead of the implementation. It *is* coming. Note that there is nothing in the current K-Pod "advertising" to indicate that the LEDs are programmable, so there is no deceptive advertising going on. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/21/2016 6:35 PM, K6CTA via Elecraft wrote: > I'll ask this again: how does one program the 4 LED's on the K-POD. D-1 through D-3 are assigned by "default" to the rocker switch, which would imply that they can be changed. D-4 just sits there darkly staring at me with no ability to be programmed. On page 5 of the manual the caption states "LEDs D1 through D4 programmable to indicate status of K3 functions". My question is: how???? > > From silver60 at charter.net Thu Jul 21 19:59:22 2016 From: silver60 at charter.net (Dick) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:59:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar panels and RFI Message-ID: I have 28 panels installed on my garage roof, the company that installed the panels is VIVINT. I have not incurred an problems as of yet and it has been over 15 months. Dick W1REJ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From nestoji at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 20:31:24 2016 From: nestoji at comcast.net (Jim Nestor) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:31:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 questions Message-ID: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> Just got my KX2 with ATU & internal battery. Waiting on my paddles. Have a number of power sources & antennas to try. Meantime, I have a couple of questions. 1) cabling for digital modes. Looking to run PSK-31 & WSJT-X. Am experienced with those modes on Icom 756 Pro II, Flex 1500, and K3. All I need is the cables. From looking at the schematics it looks like all I need is a couple of 1/8" stereo Male-to-Male cables. No real question about the receive side. Looks like the transmit side (KX2 mic input) is a 4-conductor jack with separate signal & logic grounds. Will it work with a 3-conductor cable which would seem to short the grounds together? BTW, I discovered that Apple iPod earbuds (4-conductor plug) don't work. I tried pushing the plug all the way in, and pulling it out part way. No joy. My expensive Bose earphone work well, as do my inexpensive over-the-ear "cans". Looking for a set of earbuds with 3-conductor plug to keep the package small. 2) can anybody recommend a small (cheap) headset? Maybe a computer, telephone, or gaming headset? I'll probably spring for the MH3, but would like a hands-free option. KX2 is going along to a family reunion this weekend. We are both looking forward to it. 73, Jim, WK8G Sent from my iPad From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Jul 21 20:37:21 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: The solar cycle originated thanks to fruitcake [Fc]. All the fruitcake in the universe was created at the Big Bang, along with a lot of hydrogen [H] and some helium [He]. The hydrogen and helium began to float upward of course ... think Goodyear or Hindenburg ... but the Fc, being the densest thing in the universe began to gather the H and He into massive clumps using its gravity. When the hydrogen became dense enough around the fruitcake, it began to fuse -- two H --> one He. The helium atom weighed just a bit less than the two hydrogen's which showed up as a lot of energy which heated the clump until it began to emit light and other stuff [a technical term used by astrophysicists]. Eventually two He began to fuse producing one lithium [Li] atom and a lot more energy. This of course was the beginning of laptop and cell phone batteries -- and Tesla. This continued until almost all of the H and He was iron [Fe]. There was also the fruitcake of course, nothing fuses with fruitcake. To fuse two Fe atoms would produce negative energy which hadn't been invented then, so with nothing left to do, the clump exploded and that was the first solar cycle. All that fusing produced heavier elements which drifted around in space and eventually formed more hot, bright clumps with fruitcake at the center. Some atoms were aluminum [Al] which formed into vast sheets called Reynolds Wrap [Rw], and which had an affinity for the Fc, wrapping itself around the Fc like Glad Wrap wraps around everything in the kitchen but the dish you're trying to cover. That's how we find fruitcake today. With the heavier elements, the hot bright clumps settled into a pattern of occasional explosions or semi-explosions, and that became the solar cycle we know, love, and anxiously wait for. There is a Conservation of Fruitcake law. You can't destroy it. You can give it away, however it is nearly uniformly distributed in the universe and likely will come back at some point, usually around Christmas. Many things have a half-life ... the time it takes for half of it to disappear or morph into something else. The half-life of both disco and leisure suits was blessedly short. The half-life of fruitcake is forever. Eat your heart out, NOVA. 73, Fred K6DGW Rocket Scientist On 7/21/2016 12:05 PM, w7aqk wrote: > Hi All, > > FWIW, there was a very interesting program I watched last night on PBS. > The regular program called "Nova" had a most informative discussion > about the solar cycle and how it affects us here on Earth. It won't > tell you everything you want to know about propagation, etc., but it > does give a lot of perspective as to why our communications can be so > disrupted by solar storms. They also talked a lot about "sunspots"! We > tend to think the more the better for us, but do we really understand > how they form, and the effect they have? This gives you some insight > about that. > > Anyway, you might want to check it out, and I think you can watch it > online at www.pbs.org/nova. > > Dave W7AQK From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Jul 21 20:41:10 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:41:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 questions In-Reply-To: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> References: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <81F2DF2F-48B2-43CE-8098-26148A389543@wunderwood.org> > On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Jim Nestor wrote: > > 2) can anybody recommend a small (cheap) headset? Maybe a computer, telephone, or gaming headset? I'll probably spring for the MH3, but would like a hands-free option. A lot of people like the Yamaha CM-500. I?ve posted some hints about connecting it to the KX3. These probably hold for the KX2. https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/ The same setup should work for any headset with an electret mic, including some cheap gaming headsets. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 21 20:45:17 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:45:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 questions In-Reply-To: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> References: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <62a31a1e-07de-69a6-a531-08e44cfc5119@socal.rr.com> My Apple earbuds with 4-conductor do work on my KX2, Jim. Phil W7OX On 7/21/16 5:31 PM, Jim Nestor wrote: > Just got my KX2 with ATU & internal battery. Waiting on my paddles. Have a number of power sources & antennas to try. Meantime, I have a couple of questions. > > 1) cabling for digital modes. Looking to run PSK-31 & WSJT-X. Am experienced with those modes on Icom 756 Pro II, Flex 1500, and K3. All I need is the cables. From looking at the schematics it looks like all I need is a couple of 1/8" stereo Male-to-Male cables. No real question about the receive side. Looks like the transmit side (KX2 mic input) is a 4-conductor jack with separate signal & logic grounds. Will it work with a 3-conductor cable which would seem to short the grounds together? > > BTW, I discovered that Apple iPod earbuds (4-conductor plug) don't work. I tried pushing the plug all the way in, and pulling it out part way. No joy. My expensive Bose earphone work well, as do my inexpensive over-the-ear "cans". Looking for a set of earbuds with 3-conductor plug to keep the package small. > > 2) can anybody recommend a small (cheap) headset? Maybe a computer, telephone, or gaming headset? I'll probably spring for the MH3, but would like a hands-free option. > > KX2 is going along to a family reunion this weekend. We are both looking forward to it. > > 73, > > Jim, WK8G From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 20:50:01 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:50:01 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Message-ID: It just doesn't work like it did in 1957. But then, neither does other stuff. Vic 4X6GP > On 22 Jul 2016, at 00:48, Bob Nielsen wrote: > > I did it a few days ago. I didn't hear anything. > >> On 7/21/16 2:26 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I still do that. No boot up time required and it's location specific.. >> >>> On 7/21/2016 1:53 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> Time was, we just turned on the receiver and tuned across the bands. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 20:48:01 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:48:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 questions In-Reply-To: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> References: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <72e632c4-c1a7-8770-3814-502d7173f777@gmail.com> Yes, this should work fine. 73, Lyle KK7P > 1) ...Looks like the transmit side (KX2 mic input) is a 4-conductor jack with separate signal & logic grounds. Will it work with a 3-conductor cable which would seem to short the grounds together? From nestoji at comcast.net Thu Jul 21 21:02:47 2016 From: nestoji at comcast.net (Jim Nestor) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:02:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 questions In-Reply-To: <62a31a1e-07de-69a6-a531-08e44cfc5119@socal.rr.com> References: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> <62a31a1e-07de-69a6-a531-08e44cfc5119@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Phil, Correction: earbuds in- question are from iPhone 5 and have 4-conductor plug. They do work with the iPhone but not with KX2. Jim, WK8G Sent from my iPad > On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > My Apple earbuds with 4-conductor do work on my KX2, Jim. > > Phil W7OX > >> On 7/21/16 5:31 PM, Jim Nestor wrote: >> Just got my KX2 with ATU & internal battery. Waiting on my paddles. Have a number of power sources & antennas to try. Meantime, I have a couple of questions. >> >> 1) cabling for digital modes. Looking to run PSK-31 & WSJT-X. Am experienced with those modes on Icom 756 Pro II, Flex 1500, and K3. All I need is the cables. From looking at the schematics it looks like all I need is a couple of 1/8" stereo Male-to-Male cables. No real question about the receive side. Looks like the transmit side (KX2 mic input) is a 4-conductor jack with separate signal & logic grounds. Will it work with a 3-conductor cable which would seem to short the grounds together? >> >> BTW, I discovered that Apple iPod earbuds (4-conductor plug) don't work. I tried pushing the plug all the way in, and pulling it out part way. No joy. My expensive Bose earphone work well, as do my inexpensive over-the-ear "cans". Looking for a set of earbuds with 3-conductor plug to keep the package small. >> >> 2) can anybody recommend a small (cheap) headset? Maybe a computer, telephone, or gaming headset? I'll probably spring for the MH3, but would like a hands-free option. >> >> KX2 is going along to a family reunion this weekend. We are both looking forward to it. >> >> 73, >> >> Jim, WK8G > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 21 21:08:08 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:08:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> <62a31a1e-07de-69a6-a531-08e44cfc5119@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <948b521b-7c4e-293e-673e-65a02cb12361@socal.rr.com> What correction, Jim? Mine are from an iPhone 5s and work fine with KX2, KX3, various MP3 players, etc. They look like this: https://www.amazon.com/Apple-EarPods-Genuine-Stereo-Headphones/dp/B00HVVONP4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1469149621&sr=8-4&keywords=apple+earbuds Caveat: I use only the right side because my left ear doesn't work Phil W7OX On 7/21/16 6:02 PM, Jim Nestor wrote: > Phil, > > Correction: earbuds in- question are from iPhone > 5 and have 4-conductor plug. They do work with > the iPhone but not with KX2. > > Jim, WK8G > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Phil Wheeler > > > wrote: > >> My Apple earbuds with 4-conductor do work on my >> KX2, Jim. >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 7/21/16 5:31 PM, Jim Nestor wrote: >>> Just got my KX2 with ATU & internal battery. Waiting on my paddles. Have a number of power sources & antennas to try. Meantime, I have a couple of questions. >>> >>> 1) cabling for digital modes. Looking to run PSK-31 & WSJT-X. Am experienced with those modes on Icom 756 Pro II, Flex 1500, and K3. All I need is the cables. From looking at the schematics it looks like all I need is a couple of 1/8" stereo Male-to-Male cables. No real question about the receive side. Looks like the transmit side (KX2 mic input) is a 4-conductor jack with separate signal & logic grounds. Will it work with a 3-conductor cable which would seem to short the grounds together? >>> >>> BTW, I discovered that Apple iPod earbuds (4-conductor plug) don't work. I tried pushing the plug all the way in, and pulling it out part way. No joy. My expensive Bose earphone work well, as do my inexpensive over-the-ear "cans". Looking for a set of earbuds with 3-conductor plug to keep the package small. >>> >>> 2) can anybody recommend a small (cheap) headset? Maybe a computer, telephone, or gaming headset? I'll probably spring for the MH3, but would like a hands-free option. >>> >>> KX2 is going along to a family reunion this weekend. We are both looking forward to it. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jim, WK8G >> From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Thu Jul 21 21:50:46 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:50:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD LED programming In-Reply-To: <1d6b881e-05b3-492d-d65e-c877a00497b9@embarqmail.com> References: <1d6b881e-05b3-492d-d65e-c877a00497b9@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1469152246783-7620537.post@n2.nabble.com> > Note that there is nothing in the current K-Pod "advertising" to > indicate that the LEDs are programmable, so there is no deceptive > advertising going on. Both the K-Pod web page and data sheet state, Three of the unit?s user-definable LEDs indicate rocker switch position, by default. The manual states, LEDs D1 THROUGH D4 PROGRAMMABLE TO INDICATE STATUS OF K3s/K3FUNCTIONS Clearly, Elecraft isn't trying to be deceptive. They'll certainly deliver on this functionality in a timely manner. But I can understand why someone would think the LED's are (currently) user-definable / programmable. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-POD-LED-programming-tp7620527p7620537.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Jul 21 22:01:20 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:01:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar panels and RFI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c62617f-1370-9bb1-d220-7abbe24e7116@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Dick, How close are your antennas to the solar system and its wiring? What does the S-meter read on band noise? Do you live in city/suburbs/small town, or out in the boonies with no neighbors? 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,7/21/2016 4:59 PM, Dick wrote: > I have 28 panels installed on my garage roof, the company that installed the panels is VIVINT. I have not incurred an problems as of yet and it has been over 15 months. From K2TK at ptd.net Thu Jul 21 22:27:55 2016 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD LED programming In-Reply-To: <1d6b881e-05b3-492d-d65e-c877a00497b9@embarqmail.com> References: <1d6b881e-05b3-492d-d65e-c877a00497b9@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: From lockery at yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 22:27:18 2016 From: lockery at yahoo.com (stanley frady) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 Spliter Message-ID: <1469154438.88681.YahooMailMobile@web140105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I want to know if the KX3, PX3, etc ACC1 can be broken out to go 2 devices such as a PC or Sidekar. Appears to me to be a serial network like Icom's CV system. Thanks, Stan From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:43:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:43:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> Message-ID: <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> Vic, I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) was on the rise. Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10 meters during the daytime hours. Those were exciting times for ham radio, but we have not seen anything like it since. It appears we are declining in sunspot numbers rapidly this cycle. I just wonder what the next few years will bring propagation wise. Ham radio is still exciting, but the ability to work far DX contacts with ease is not with us anymore - we just have to work harder at it, but it is possible, pick the right band and the right time of day, and have patience. It may force more DX operators to use CW or data modes. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/21/2016 8:50 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > It just doesn't work like it did in 1957. > But then, neither does other stuff. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:52:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:52:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 questions In-Reply-To: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> References: <2F2675DE-D6F1-4987-85E7-FEDC0065B6CB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <142eaf80-9885-2d1e-e35f-4d0c5bad052e@embarqmail.com> Jim, Re: Data modes --- Yes, all you need is the cables. As far as connecting the logic and RF grounds together, you may find some improvement by turning MIC BTN in the menu to OFF. Many have been doing that with the KX3, and the KX2 should behave similarly. If you want the 'best of both worlds', then you will build special cables that use a 4 conductor jack to separate the grounds. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/21/2016 8:31 PM, Jim Nestor wrote: > Just got my KX2 with ATU & internal battery. Waiting on my paddles. Have a number of power sources & antennas to try. Meantime, I have a couple of questions. > > 1) cabling for digital modes. Looking to run PSK-31 & WSJT-X. Am experienced with those modes on Icom 756 Pro II, Flex 1500, and K3. All I need is the cables. From looking at the schematics it looks like all I need is a couple of 1/8" stereo Male-to-Male cables. No real question about the receive side. Looks like the transmit side (KX2 mic input) is a 4-conductor jack with separate signal & logic grounds. Will it work with a 3-conductor cable which would seem to short the grounds together? > From w7aqk at cox.net Thu Jul 21 23:37:50 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:37:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m currently traveling in Oregon, and watched it on the Portland area PBS station (Oregon Public Broadcasting). I assume it is the most current program in the Nova series, but I missed the actual title as I didn?t tune in until about 5 minutes after it started. Sometimes there is a slight lag between on air viewing and their website availability, but just about every Nova program ends up on the website for viewing online. Check the dates shown, and it should be the one for this week. If it?s not there yet, it will be, and they even said it would be available online. Also, most PBS stations broadcast Nova multiple times during the week, so check your own station?s schedule for the week. Looking at OPB?s schedule, I think the title may be ? Secrets OF The Sun?. Here it is being aired multiple times this week. I might just add that there are few programs on TV these days that are better than Nova. It is marvelous! My other favorite is ?Frontline?, but, of course, there are still other superb programs that are pure entertainment, like ?Masterpiece?. If you are not a regular PBS viewer, I think you are really missing something! My satellite TV system gives me just about anything that is available, but in truth, I could probably survive quite nicely with just two channels?PBS and Turner Classic Movies! Well, I do like to watch a little golf and football! Hi. Dave W7AQK From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:25 PM To: Elecraft Reflector ; w7aqk Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Can you check your PBS TV station schedule and give us the title of that NOVA program? Our station was running the RNC. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: w7aqk ; To: Elecraft Reflector ; Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2016 7:05:56 PM Hi All, FWIW, there was a very interesting program I watched last night on PBS. The regular program called "Nova" had a most informative discussion about the solar cycle and how it affects us here on Earth. It won't tell you everything you want to know about propagation, etc., but it does give a lot of perspective as to why our communications can be so disrupted by solar storms. They also talked a lot about "sunspots"! We tend to think the more the better for us, but do we really understand how they form, and the effect they have? This gives you some insight about that. Anyway, you might want to check it out, and I think you can watch it online at www.pbs.org/nova. Dave W7AQK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Jul 22 00:22:49 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Message-ID: <9h4hyqsytul2pque9e5nd6bx.1469161369527@email.android.com> Just open a panadapter on 20m during the day...depressing. makes you wonder if it's working Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: w7aqk Date: 2016-07-21 11:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: ac5p at sbcglobal.net, Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle I?m currently traveling in Oregon, and watched it on the Portland area PBS station (Oregon Public Broadcasting).? I assume it is the most current program in the Nova series, but I missed the actual title as I didn?t tune in until about 5 minutes after it started.? Sometimes there is a slight lag between on air viewing and their website availability, but just about every Nova program ends up on the website for viewing online.? Check the dates shown, and it should be the one for this week.? If it?s not there yet, it will be, and they even said it would be available online.? Also, most PBS stations broadcast Nova multiple times during the week, so check your own station?s schedule for the week.? Looking at OPB?s schedule, I think the title may be ? Secrets OF The Sun?.? Here it is being aired multiple times this week. I might just add that there are few programs on TV these days that are better than Nova.? It is marvelous!? My other favorite is ?Frontline?, but, of course, there are still other superb programs that are pure entertainment, like ?Masterpiece?.? If you are not a regular PBS viewer, I think you are really missing something!? My satellite TV system gives me just about anything that is available, but in truth, I could probably survive quite nicely with just two channels?PBS and Turner Classic Movies!? Well, I do like to watch a little golf and football!? Hi. Dave W7AQK From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:25 PM To: Elecraft Reflector ; w7aqk Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle ????? Can you check your PBS TV station schedule and give us the title of that NOVA program? Our station was running the RNC. ????? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ???? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: w7aqk ; To: Elecraft Reflector ; Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2016 7:05:56 PM ????? Hi All, ????? FWIW, there was a very interesting program I watched last night on PBS.? The ????? regular program called "Nova" had a most informative discussion about the ????? solar cycle and how it affects us here on Earth.? It won't tell you ????? everything you want to know about propagation, etc., but it does give a lot ????? of perspective as to why our communications can be so disrupted by solar ????? storms.? They also talked a lot about "sunspots"!? We tend to think the more ????? the better for us, but do we really understand how they form, and the effect ????? they have?? This gives you some insight about that. ????? Anyway, you might want to check it out, and I think you can watch it online ????? at www.pbs.org/nova. ????? Dave W7AQK ????? ______________________________________________________________ ????? Elecraft mailing list ????? Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft ????? Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm ????? Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net ????? 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Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net ???? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Jul 22 03:14:38 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> Message-ID: I was glad that I caught Jim's remark about blowing the 723 by being connected to a battery with the PS off. And also Myron's answer. Back in the tube TV days, I purchased a bare circuit board at Radio Shack, (I think). The board was similar to an Astron circuit board, but simpler. I rewound a heavy transformer from a color TV and made my first 13.8 Volt power supply to use for a Heathkit HW-104. Years later, the 723 went bad. It may have been due to the stated reason, I can't remember now. I did some repair work on it and still have it. Someone on the reflector provided the following link one time, which I think is a good idea for an extra measure of over-voltage protection or accidental reversal in polarity. I remember discussion about a reversal that happened to someone on the reflector not long ago. I hope the link still works on here. If it doesn't, it is on ad5x dot com website. Look for a Vprotect pdf file. http://ad5x.com/images/Articles/Vprotect.pdf Dick, n0ce > On 7/21/2016 7:41 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote: >> Jim and Clay, >> >> It used to be that way....the RS linear models could not tolerate external voltage present when unpowered, not anymore. Astron has incorporated back-voltage protection through incorporation of some diodes installed in key locations to prevent this. >> >> You can verify if your supply has this modification by looking at the circuit board and see a 1N4001 type diode soldered across 2-pins (can't remember which ones off the top of my head) of the IC voltage regulator LM-723 chip and others hung in various places to protect the pass transistor as well. Usually soldered to the solder side of the circuit board so they are easy to spot. I can't remember is there were some small capacitors added as well. >> >> Any newer (like newer than 1990) linear Astron will have these installed. >> >> Myron WV?H >> Printed on Recycled Data - From jd at ko8v.net Fri Jul 22 07:53:39 2016 From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:53:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 Spliter In-Reply-To: <1469154438.88681.YahooMailMobile@web140105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1469154438.88681.YahooMailMobile@web140105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I run a SteppIr with my KX3. The KX3 will send out its current frequency via ACC1 so the SteppIR can automatically change bands. I have a splitter going from the PC to the SteppIR and the KXPA100 (which eventually chains to the KX3 via my PX3). It all works just fine. If the SideKar sends data on the serial port at the same time as the PC or KX3, then that could be a problem. For the SteppIR, it is a listen only device. Works just fine. Joe KO8V > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:27 PM, stanley frady via Elecraft wrote: > > I want to know if the KX3, PX3, etc ACC1 can be broken out to go 2 devices such as a PC or Sidekar. Appears to me to be a serial network like Icom's CV system. > > Thanks, > Stan > From john at kn5l.net Fri Jul 22 08:08:25 2016 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Here is a link to a schematic for the 3/4 A power supplies with the added parts for external voltage protection: http://www.ameradio.com/doc/Astron%20RS-3A,%20RS-4A%20schematic.pdf John KN5L On 07/21/2016 07:41 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote: > It used to be that way....the RS linear models could not tolerate external voltage present when unpowered, not anymore. Astron has incorporated back-voltage protection through incorporation of some diodes installed in key locations to prevent this. > > You can verify if your supply has this modification by looking at the circuit board and see a 1N4001 type diode soldered across 2-pins (can't remember which ones off the top of my head) of the IC voltage regulator LM-723 chip and others hung in various places to protect the pass transistor as well. Usually soldered to the solder side of the circuit board so they are easy to spot. I can't remember is there were some small capacitors added as well. From w0agmike at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 09:01:33 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:01:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] F/S - K3/K3s filter Message-ID: One filter still available for shipment - KFL3A-1.8K. Packaged and shipped Priority Mail for $105. PayPal preferred. Mike W0AG From n1al at sonic.net Fri Jul 22 10:55:28 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:55:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> Message-ID: <8e00df23-de0f-43f8-14c1-2eea9981578f@sonic.net> The 723 regulator has some known reliability issues, but with proper design they can be mitigated. In particular the differential voltage on the error amplifier inputs is only rated for 5v. If one input is connected to the 7.15V reference, then if the power supply output is shorted the voltage rating is exceeded. The solution is a strategically-placed diode. Alan N1AL On 07/22/2016 12:14 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I was glad that I caught Jim's remark about blowing the 723 by being > connected to a battery with the PS off. And also Myron's answer. > > Back in the tube TV days, I purchased a bare circuit board at Radio > Shack, (I think). The board was similar to an Astron circuit board, but > simpler. I rewound a heavy transformer from a color TV and made my > first 13.8 Volt power supply to use for a Heathkit HW-104. Years later, > the 723 went bad. It may have been due to the stated reason, I can't > remember now. I did some repair work on it and still have it. > > Someone on the reflector provided the following link one time, which I > think is a good idea for an extra measure of over-voltage protection or > accidental reversal in polarity. I remember discussion about a reversal > that happened to someone on the reflector not long ago. > > I hope the link still works on here. If it doesn't, it is on ad5x dot > com website. Look for a Vprotect pdf file. > http://ad5x.com/images/Articles/Vprotect.pdf > > Dick, n0ce > > >> On 7/21/2016 7:41 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote: >>> Jim and Clay, >>> >>> It used to be that way....the RS linear models could not tolerate >>> external voltage present when unpowered, not anymore. Astron has >>> incorporated back-voltage protection through incorporation of some >>> diodes installed in key locations to prevent this. >>> >>> You can verify if your supply has this modification by looking at the >>> circuit board and see a 1N4001 type diode soldered across 2-pins >>> (can't remember which ones off the top of my head) of the IC voltage >>> regulator LM-723 chip and others hung in various places to protect >>> the pass transistor as well. Usually soldered to the solder side of >>> the circuit board so they are easy to spot. I can't remember is there >>> were some small capacitors added as well. >>> >>> Any newer (like newer than 1990) linear Astron will have these >>> installed. >>> >>> Myron WV?H >>> Printed on Recycled Data > > - > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Jul 22 11:10:06 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:10:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K3EXREF 10MHz Voltage Help Message-ID: <1469200206267-7620550.post@n2.nabble.com> The manual says: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740156%20K3EXREF%20Installation%20and%20Operation%20Manual%20Rev%20A2.pdf Connect the external 10 MHz signal source to the K3 rear panel REF connector . The 10 MHz source should have a signal levelbetween +4 dBm and +16 dBm, nominal . For square wave sources, 2VDC to 3.3VDC peak is optimum. If the source is a 5V logic level, use a 50-ohm resistor in series with the input. Caution: To avoid damage to the K3EXREF, do not exceed these levels My Jackson Labs LC-XO-Plus manual says: http://www.jackson-labs.com/assets/uploads/main/LC_XO-PLUS-specsheet1.pdf Oscillator Specification: Frequency Output 10MHz CMOS 5Vpp So I'm concluding the need for a 50ohm resister in series with the input. The K3EXREF board will come pre-installed with my new K3S, so I'd prefer an exterior solution. Is there a tidy little SMA connector with 50ohm in series that I can get off the shelf? Or would I have to make that? If so, how to best do that? I can certainly chop a SMA(M)-SMA(M) jumper in half and solder a 50ohm resister across the center wire, but I'm not sure how to maintain the shielding ground web. Twist each side and solder, sure, but seems I lose shielding of a delicate signal. Thanks for the help! BRET/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-K3EXREF-10MHz-Voltage-Help-tp7620550.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 22 11:16:06 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:16:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: <8e00df23-de0f-43f8-14c1-2eea9981578f@sonic.net> References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> <8e00df23-de0f-43f8-14c1-2eea9981578f@sonic.net> Message-ID: I have a couple of homebuilt DC regulated supplies that I built a great many years ago, the first is a simple 3A 13.5V one that was the very first supply I ever built and it used a 723 with a single 2N3055 series pass transistor. I remember I bought a lovely oil filled mains transformer for it, but accidentally wired up the 120V windings in parallel instead of series for our 240V mains and watched it start to bulge when I switched it on. (after I put a bigger fuse in it). I ended up using another transformer and the power supply is still in daily use, built in the early 70's. I later built a 25 Amp version with 4 3055s and a 723 with overvoltage trip, and also short circuit protection. It can be shorted out and with barely a spark it trips out and has to be reset before it comes on again. No fuses to blow and replace, no destroyed series pass transistors. I built it in a chassis that was lying around and 35 years later it is still in daily use and still not got a proper cover made for the chassis. I checked the output the other day on my scope to see if there was any hum or ripple and on full load I had 10mV p-p of noise. Regulation still excellent. Nothing much wrong with the humble 723. I have seen some truly awful "commercial" supplies with no short circuit protection, that blow the series pass transistors like fuses, or worse make them into short circuits that apply the full unregulated supply on to the load. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 22 Jul 2016, at 15:55, Alan Bloom wrote: > > The 723 regulator has some known reliability issues, but with proper design they can be mitigated. In particular the differential voltage on the error amplifier inputs is only rated for 5v. If one input is connected to the 7.15V reference, then if the power supply output is shorted the voltage rating is exceeded. The solution is a strategically-placed diode. > > Alan N1AL > > From K5WA at Comcast.net Fri Jul 22 12:04:02 2016 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:04:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Very small KX2 earbud/mic/adapter Message-ID: <050701d1e432$aa6ec960$ff4c5c20$@net> I wanted to optimize my KX2 experience with the smallest headset I could find. I stumbled across the Panasonic ErgoFit (see link below) which are the best fitting ear buds I've ever tried with the added bonus of a built in microphone. Previous ear buds always fell out of my ear or were so loose fitting which let in outside noise. These fit perfectly and securely hold in place to block outside noise. I can highly recommend them if you are trying to find the smallest/lightest option for your KX2. The second piece of the puzzle was how to connect the 4 conductor plug to both the phones and microphone jacks on the KX2. The second link below is an adapter that proved to work perfectly in separating mic and phones. The mic is built into the ear bud wire and takes up very little space. The mic is a bit bassy but tweaking the TX equalizer cured that. I also felt more comfortable holding the mic closer to my mouth but that may have also caused the bassiness. I tried a different adapter bought from Amazon and it did NOT work so be careful on what you buy. Fortunately, a "mistake" only costs you a few bucks but this one I list below works great. Apparently, the 4 conductor standard is not as standard as people expect so adapters and plugs don't always work. I'm not saying this is the only adapter/headset that works with the KX2 but it is one that I accidentally stumbled upon that works for me. Plus, it is very reasonably priced. ;-) Standard disclaimer, if needed. I don't work for or promote these items for a living. Have fun, Bob K5WA https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E4LGVUO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF 8 &psc=1 http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail &p=6025&gclid=CjwKEAjwiMe8BRD0ts3Vtv-ohWgSJAAZurk1Nb_zbSyuYyHMd9iraondI0Kh-4 XUauI4v0VsF-bUfBoCQSnw_wcB From w4sc at windstream.net Fri Jul 22 12:08:41 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:08:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Bypass indication/operation issue Message-ID: <46E975FF014F4D1B90B45C575FF93826@z22z28> When SWR is less than 1.3 (factory default), the KAT-500 should go into ?BYPASS? as I understand. The LC values and MODE (Manual) from the previously selected antenna are still shown in the config utility ?Operate TAB?. Also, the STANDBY LED has never illuminated when the SWR measurement is less than the threshold set for entering the BYPASS mode. Firmware installed K3: 5.38 KAT-500: 1.67 de Ben W4SC From alsopb at comcast.net Fri Jul 22 12:19:06 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:19:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness Message-ID: <5792477A.1030508@comcast.net> Guys, I've run into something on 80M trying to use the internal antenna tuner. It fails to tune to a low SWR. My recollection is that the tuner worked fine on the same antenna before. "Worked before" may have been with a slightly different tap position. Antenna is an MFJ 1/8 Wave vertical with loading coil and 4:1 "Guanella" balun at the antenna base. With the current coil tap an RF analyst antenna analyzer shows the following: 3.55 MHz SWR=2.0 Z=35 ohms 3.6 SWR=2.7 Z=36 ohms The K3 in the tune position (tuner out) shows SWR's of 1.7 and 2.4 respectively. The antenna tuner finds a match for a 50 ohm dummy load OK. Using those settings as a starting point, we attempted to match the antenna. The best it can do is bring the 1.7 SWR down to 1.4. The 2.0 SWR can brought down to 1.7 at best. Other bands work OK. Any thoughts? 73 de Brian/K3KO From dick at elecraft.com Fri Jul 22 12:57:27 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:57:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Bypass indication/operation issue In-Reply-To: <46E975FF014F4D1B90B45C575FF93826@z22z28> References: <46E975FF014F4D1B90B45C575FF93826@z22z28> Message-ID: <002b01d1e43a$20d04050$6270c0f0$@elecraft.com> When the ATU TUNE function discovers the SWR is less than the bypass threshold, it should select "bypassed" as the tuning solution, and the KAT500 Utility should show no L or C values selected. It should also show the "bypassed" check box. I don't have a "standby" LED. The "BYPASS" LED means that the ATU's mode is "BYPASSED", not that the current ATU tuning solution is "Bypassed". 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of w4sc Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 09:09 To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Bypass indication/operation issue When SWR is less than 1.3 (factory default), the KAT-500 should go into ?BYPASS? as I understand. The LC values and MODE (Manual) from the previously selected antenna are still shown in the config utility ?Operate TAB?. Also, the STANDBY LED has never illuminated when the SWR measurement is less than the threshold set for entering the BYPASS mode. Firmware installed K3: 5.38 KAT-500: 1.67 de Ben W4SC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From eric.csuf at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 13:15:55 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:15:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <9h4hyqsytul2pque9e5nd6bx.1469161369527@email.android.com> References: <9h4hyqsytul2pque9e5nd6bx.1469161369527@email.android.com> Message-ID: Secrets of the Sun. Took 5 seconds on google to discover it is on youtube.com, and blocked in my area (So Cal) on PBS. Eric KE6US On 7/21/2016 9:22 PM, tomb18 wrote: > Just open a panadapter on 20m during the day...depressing. makes you wonder if it's working > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: w7aqk Date: 2016-07-21 11:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: ac5p at sbcglobal.net, Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > I?m currently traveling in Oregon, and watched it on the Portland area PBS station (Oregon Public Broadcasting). I assume it is the most current program in the Nova series, but I missed the actual title as I didn?t tune in until about 5 minutes after it started. Sometimes there is a slight lag between on air viewing and their website availability, but just about every Nova program ends up on the website for viewing online. Check the dates shown, and it should be the one for this week. If it?s not there yet, it will be, and they even said it would be available online. Also, most PBS stations broadcast Nova multiple times during the week, so check your own station?s schedule for the week. Looking at OPB?s schedule, I think the title may be ? Secrets OF The Sun?. Here it is being aired multiple times this week. > > I might just add that there are few programs on TV these days that are better than Nova. It is marvelous! My other favorite is ?Frontline?, but, of course, there are still other superb programs that are pure entertainment, like ?Masterpiece?. If you are not a regular PBS viewer, I think you are really missing something! My satellite TV system gives me just about anything that is available, but in truth, I could probably survive quite nicely with just two channels?PBS and Turner Classic Movies! Well, I do like to watch a little golf and football! Hi. > > Dave W7AQK > > > > From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:25 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector ; w7aqk > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > > Can you check your PBS TV station schedule and give us the title of that NOVA program? Our station was running the RNC. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: w7aqk ; > To: Elecraft Reflector ; > Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2016 7:05:56 PM > > > Hi All, > > FWIW, there was a very interesting program I watched last night on PBS. The > regular program called "Nova" had a most informative discussion about the > solar cycle and how it affects us here on Earth. It won't tell you > everything you want to know about propagation, etc., but it does give a lot > of perspective as to why our communications can be so disrupted by solar > storms. They also talked a lot about "sunspots"! We tend to think the more > the better for us, but do we really understand how they form, and the effect > they have? This gives you some insight about that. > > Anyway, you might want to check it out, and I think you can watch it online > at www.pbs.org/nova. > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Fri Jul 22 13:16:10 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:16:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <9h4hyqsytul2pque9e5nd6bx.1469161369527@email.android.com> References: <9h4hyqsytul2pque9e5nd6bx.1469161369527@email.android.com> Message-ID: Secrets of the Sun. Took 5 seconds on google to discover it is on youtube.com, and blocked in my area (So Cal) on PBS. Eric KE6US On 7/21/2016 9:22 PM, tomb18 wrote: > Just open a panadapter on 20m during the day...depressing. makes you wonder if it's working > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: w7aqk Date: 2016-07-21 11:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: ac5p at sbcglobal.net, Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > I?m currently traveling in Oregon, and watched it on the Portland area PBS station (Oregon Public Broadcasting). I assume it is the most current program in the Nova series, but I missed the actual title as I didn?t tune in until about 5 minutes after it started. Sometimes there is a slight lag between on air viewing and their website availability, but just about every Nova program ends up on the website for viewing online. Check the dates shown, and it should be the one for this week. If it?s not there yet, it will be, and they even said it would be available online. Also, most PBS stations broadcast Nova multiple times during the week, so check your own station?s schedule for the week. Looking at OPB?s schedule, I think the title may be ? Secrets OF The Sun?. Here it is being aired multiple times this week. > > I might just add that there are few programs on TV these days that are better than Nova. It is marvelous! My other favorite is ?Frontline?, but, of course, there are still other superb programs that are pure entertainment, like ?Masterpiece?. If you are not a regular PBS viewer, I think you are really missing something! My satellite TV system gives me just about anything that is available, but in truth, I could probably survive quite nicely with just two channels?PBS and Turner Classic Movies! Well, I do like to watch a little golf and football! Hi. > > Dave W7AQK > > > > From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:25 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector ; w7aqk > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > > Can you check your PBS TV station schedule and give us the title of that NOVA program? Our station was running the RNC. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: w7aqk ; > To: Elecraft Reflector ; > Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2016 7:05:56 PM > > > Hi All, > > FWIW, there was a very interesting program I watched last night on PBS. The > regular program called "Nova" had a most informative discussion about the > solar cycle and how it affects us here on Earth. It won't tell you > everything you want to know about propagation, etc., but it does give a lot > of perspective as to why our communications can be so disrupted by solar > storms. They also talked a lot about "sunspots"! We tend to think the more > the better for us, but do we really understand how they form, and the effect > they have? This gives you some insight about that. > > Anyway, you might want to check it out, and I think you can watch it online > at www.pbs.org/nova. > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com From kevin at ve3syb.ca Fri Jul 22 13:22:18 2016 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:22:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) was > on the rise. > Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10 > meters during the daytime hours. The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the airwaves with stray RF signals. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick From sidfrissell at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 13:24:55 2016 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:24:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 20 meters is dead all day Message-ID: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> You "20 meters is dead all day" guys need to check out WSJT-X (JT-9 and JT-65). At least here in MT 14076 is busy every day all day! You can find many US and VE stations plus a very good mix of DX. I have only been on this mode since late in 2014 (been a ham since 1950) and I have worked over 100 DX entities. {I started over when I took up digital. New ones are still popping up. Plenty of QSO's. No rag-chewing of course !!! Also, my DX spotter in DXLabd seems to keep rolling out spots all day--many on 20, both SSB and cw. Try 14076. I call it "Mouse-click Radio" as thats all you have to do. At least you will hear (see?) activity. 73, Sid. NZ7M Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad From jermo at carolinaheli.com Fri Jul 22 13:34:23 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure Message-ID: <01ad01d1e43f$4a4ae570$dee0b050$@carolinaheli.com> Does anyone have a full functional test procedure to verify my K3S is fully operational? I had a local lightning strike came in through ground that apparently damaged a USB hub, Raspberry PI, Keyboard, Mouse... I suspect the K3s may be damaged as well (especially the USB). I'm looking for a full test process so I can find all of the damage first time around rather than hunt/peck. The K3S powers and appears to rx/tx, Thanks in advance Jerry Moore, AE4PB From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Jul 22 13:59:19 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:59:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <5792477A.1030508@comcast.net> References: <5792477A.1030508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C73769C-F6BD-4CC5-958B-75728330C0B4@widomaker.com> Try a ?slightly different tap position? and see what happens. Your words, not mine. ?bill nr4c > On Jul 22, 2016, at 12:19 PM, brian wrote: > > Guys, > > I've run into something on 80M trying to use the internal antenna tuner. > It fails to tune to a low SWR. > > My recollection is that the tuner worked fine on the same antenna before. "Worked before" may have been with a slightly different tap position. > > Antenna is an MFJ 1/8 Wave vertical with loading coil and 4:1 "Guanella" balun at the antenna base. > > With the current coil tap an RF analyst antenna analyzer shows the following: > > 3.55 MHz SWR=2.0 Z=35 ohms > 3.6 SWR=2.7 Z=36 ohms > > The K3 in the tune position (tuner out) shows SWR's of 1.7 and 2.4 respectively. > > The antenna tuner finds a match for a 50 ohm dummy load OK. Using those settings as a starting point, we attempted to match the antenna. > > The best it can do is bring the 1.7 SWR down to 1.4. The 2.0 SWR can brought down to 1.7 at best. > > Other bands work OK. > > Any thoughts? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 14:01:56 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning. My little DX-40 worked a lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time of day it was. I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since .... Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > >> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) was >> on the rise. >> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10 >> meters during the daytime hours. > > The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the airwaves with stray RF signals. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Fri Jul 22 14:10:39 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:10:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 20 meters is dead all day In-Reply-To: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> References: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm one of "those guys". I operated JT65-HF and JT9 for a couple years with my oldest K2 (SN 567), including half a dozen contacts with K1JT hisself. First time ever working a guy on a mode he invented. hi. It's a very interesting mode, but limited fun for a 60 year veteran of CW mostly interested in ragchewing and county hunting. My primary activity in ham radio these days is homebrewing left-handed bugs. They work fine for the original digital mode, but don't adapt easily to the newfangled ones. I actually do tune 14.076 as a quick check on propagation because there is so much activity. If there are signals there, I'm fairly sure I can be heard on CW if anybody is listening. Operating digital modes (WSJT and PSK) is the only time my K2 has ever been on SSB. I've used it barefoot, with an HF Packer amp and with the KPA100. It does a great job on these modes. Eric KE6US On 7/22/2016 10:24 AM, Sid Frissell wrote: > You "20 meters is dead all day" guys need to check out WSJT-X (JT-9 and JT-65). > At least here in MT 14076 is busy every day all day! You can find many US and VE stations plus a very good mix of DX. I have only been on this mode since late in 2014 (been a ham since 1950) and I have worked over 100 DX entities. {I started over when I took up digital. New ones are still popping up. Plenty of QSO's. No rag-chewing of course !!! Also, my DX spotter in DXLabd seems to keep rolling out spots all day--many on 20, both SSB and cw. Try 14076. > I call it "Mouse-click Radio" as thats all you have to do. At least you will hear (see?) activity. > > 73, Sid. NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From w4sc at windstream.net Fri Jul 22 14:10:23 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:10:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Bypass indication/operation issue In-Reply-To: <002b01d1e43a$20d04050$6270c0f0$@elecraft.com> References: <46E975FF014F4D1B90B45C575FF93826@z22z28> <002b01d1e43a$20d04050$6270c0f0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <296C1B5256FE491C940015FB8E025C47@z22z28> Misspoke, I meant "BYPASS" LED Ben -----Original Message----- From: Dick Dievendorff Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 12:57 PM To: 'w4sc' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Bypass indication/operation issue When the ATU TUNE function discovers the SWR is less than the bypass threshold, it should select "bypassed" as the tuning solution, and the KAT500 Utility should show no L or C values selected. It should also show the "bypassed" check box. I don't have a "standby" LED. The "BYPASS" LED means that the ATU's mode is "BYPASSED", not that the current ATU tuning solution is "Bypassed". 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of w4sc Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 09:09 To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Bypass indication/operation issue When SWR is less than 1.3 (factory default), the KAT-500 should go into ?BYPASS? as I understand. The LC values and MODE (Manual) from the previously selected antenna are still shown in the config utility ?Operate TAB?. Also, the STANDBY LED has never illuminated when the SWR measurement is less than the threshold set for entering the BYPASS mode. Firmware installed K3: 5.38 KAT-500: 1.67 de Ben W4SC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 14:17:36 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:17:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> Message-ID: I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in 1956. In '56 every day in Columbus OH I could see test patterns on channel 2 from Miami FL. Oh, to have had a K3/KPA500 back then. 11 meters was a ham band on my friend's dad's 75A3. And 10 was jumping. 73, Guy K2AV On Friday, July 22, 2016, Grant Youngman wrote: > Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning. My little DX-40 worked a > lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time > of day it was. > > I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since .... > > Grant NQ5T > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens > wrote: > > > >> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) > was > >> on the rise. > >> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10 > >> meters during the daytime hours. > > > > The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was > neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the > airwaves with stray RF signals. > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > > > Kevin. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 14:12:33 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> Message-ID: <216637705.3203413.1469211153747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have tried to find the NOVA series on Direct TV without success.? Anyone know what channel it will be on? Mel, K6KBE From: Grant Youngman To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning.? My little DX-40 worked a lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time of day it was. I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since .... Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > >> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) was >> on the rise. >> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10 >> meters during the daytime hours. > > The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the airwaves with stray RF signals. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 14:46:54 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <216637705.3203413.1469211153747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <216637705.3203413.1469211153747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nova is normally on your local PBS channel. 73, Guy K2AV On Friday, July 22, 2016, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > I have tried to find the NOVA series on Direct TV without success. Anyone > know what channel it will be on? > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Grant Youngman > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle > > Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning. My little DX-40 worked a > lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time > of day it was. > > I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since .... > > Grant NQ5T > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens > wrote: > > > >> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) > was > >> on the rise. > >> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10 > >> meters during the daytime hours. > > > > The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was > neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the > airwaves with stray RF signals. > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > > > Kevin. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Jul 22 15:04:38 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:04:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <001701d1e391$e2b8cce0$a82a66a0$@biz> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ebf7337-bb4e-90f9-6502-3c339645aa34@triconet.org> I was licensed as a Novice in 1958 and upgraded to Conditional shortly after. My Elmer, W7UVR, who signed both applications told me he didn't want the RI coming around and retesting me and having me fail, hence getting him in trouble. So he said I better stay on CW for the duration. I had my BC342 and a Millen transmitter and a couple of 40-meter crystals. I dutifully stayed on 40 (except when my 2nd harmonic worked an FCC monitoring station and I received a "pink" QSL. My high school English teacher helped me write a very convincing letter to them) Always a DXer at heart, I would stay up all night during the summer eking out QSOs on 40. My Elmer finally took pity on me and loaned me an Elmac AF67 that worked 10-meter AM. What a revelation; on 40 I would spend nights trying to work VK, on 10 I was working them by the dozen on phone in the daytime. Magical. Wes ps. I can also remember seeing aurora here in Tucson, 32deg N. On 7/22/2016 11:17 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are > in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in > 1956. > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Jul 22 15:17:27 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <9h4hyqsytul2pque9e5nd6bx.1469161369527@email.android.com> References: <9h4hyqsytul2pque9e5nd6bx.1469161369527@email.android.com> Message-ID: At our monthly Southern Arizona DX Association club meeting last night, as we often do, we go around the room to hear what guys have worked since the last meeting. Personally, because it's thunderstorm season, I've been disconnected most of the month. Others have not. One guy, a top of the Honor Roll type, reported working 400 band/countries on HF and 47 states.... on 6-meters. Another top of the Honor Roll guy, now a 6 and 160 specialist worked 18 Europeans on 6 this past week. And that's not from Maine, it's from southern Arizona. The bands aren't great, but they are far from dead. On 7/21/2016 9:22 PM, tomb18 wrote: > Just open a panadapter on 20m during the day...depressing. makes you wonder if it's working From clawsoncw at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 15:24:56 2016 From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:24:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <136dbf2d-2770-a35c-57c1-d6e1cf14d282@gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve AD7OG graciously permitted me to tear his K3 apart and swap boards. KIO3B main board is bad and Elecraft is sending a replacement. 73 - WS7L, whose K3 #486 after 8 years of service just keeps getting better! On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, Carl Clawson wrote: > I've been in conversation with tech support but we have not yet found > what's wrong. > -- Carl > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:53 AM, Barry Simpson > wrote: > >> Hi Carl >> >> Did you get the KIO3B problem resolved ? >> >> Barry VK2BJ >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Barry Simpson > > >> Date: 17 July 2016 at 13:03 >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - communication failure after KIO3B upgrade >> To: Carl Clawson > > >> Cc: Lyle Johnson > >, elecraft < >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> >> >> Hi Carl >> >> Have you actually set RS232 to USB in the Config menu ? Just a thought. >> >> Barry VK2BJ >> >> On 17 July 2016 at 11:47, Carl Clawson > > wrote: >> >>> Thanks Lyle. I tried those things. If it's a cable problem then I must >>> have >>> TWO defective cables, because feeding RS232 to the P3 and connecting the >>> single-headed cable to the K3 also results in no communications to the >>> K3. >>> And yes, I put the K3 in RS232 mode at 38400 baud when I tried that. >>> >>> -- Carl >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyle Johnson >> > wrote: >>> >>> > Carl, >>> > >>> > A couple of thoughts. >>> > >>> > 1) Losing communications with the Y cable plugged into the KIO3B but >>> not >>> > having BOTH DE-9 connectors attached to the P3 will result in no >>> > communications. The KIO3B senses the Y cable and routes the USB side >>> > communications to the P3 which then routes signals to the K3. >>> > >>> > 2) Be sure the cable is fully seated into the jack on the KIO3B. The >>> > plastic lock should "click" into place. You can verify this with a >>> gentle >>> > tug on the cable after it is inserted to verify it is fully seated. >>> > >>> > 3) Be sure the P3 is set to 38,400 bps on its serial ports. >>> > >>> > 4) If the cable is fully seated and the P3 is set to 38,400 bps and you >>> > still have the problem, I'd suspect the Y cable being defective. I >>> don;t >>> > know if the schematics for the cable are on the website or supplied >>> with >>> > the cable to assist you in troubleshooting the cable if you so desire, >>> so >>> > it may require a call to support on Monday, or an email directly to >>> them. >>> > >>> > 73, >>> > >>> > Lyle KK7P >>> > >>> > >>> > Maybe the combined wisdom of the group will be able to help before I >>> send >>> >> this to Elecraft support. >>> >> >>> >> I installed the KIO3B upgrade in my K3. The USB interface from PC to >>> K3 >>> >> works but only if you don't plug a cable in the RS232/P3 jack. The >>> RS232 >>> >> connection to the P3 isn't happening... >>> >> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ >>> > Elecraft mailing list >>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> > >>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > Message delivered to clawsoncw at gmail.com >>> >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au >>> >>> >> >> >> > From k7jltextra at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 15:30:03 2016 From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John K7JLT) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:30:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Message-ID: <6c1svlhbakyk8c8acyjjni1m.1469215803390@email.android.com> Yesterday I couldn't see any activity on 20 Meters but worked Pactor 3 at the maximum speed over a 1200 mile path. Far from a dead band. John K7JLT From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com Fri Jul 22 15:59:15 2016 From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] 20 meters is dead all day In-Reply-To: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> References: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> Message-ID: At the Pacific Northwest QRP gathering a few weeks back, one of the presenters ran WSPRnet overnight on his K3. I was amazed at the propagation! Indeed, he used the live data in his presentation, and I was flabberghasted to see that a huge 6m opening had occured an hour ealier. I'm not particularly excited by point-and-click QSOs, but I am interested in using the same tools to generate opening alerts. Meanwhile, I had the 20m static on softly during my late night (12a - 1a PDT) piano practices this week, and I heard a surprising amount of cw -- a nice reminder that 20m isn't just a night time band during Field Day :). - kb7psg On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Sid Frissell wrote: > You "20 meters is dead all day" guys need to check out WSJT-X (JT-9 and > JT-65). At least here in MT 14076 is busy every day all day! You can > find many US and VE stations plus a very good mix of DX. I have only > been on this mode since late in 2014 (been a ham since 1950) and I have > worked over 100 DX entities. {I started over when I took up digital. > New ones are still popping up. Plenty of QSO's. No rag-chewing of > course !!! Also, my DX spotter in DXLabd seems to keep rolling out > spots all day--many on 20, both SSB and cw. Try 14076. I call it > "Mouse-click Radio" as thats all you have to do. At least you will hear > (see?) activity. > > 73, Sid. NZ7M From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Jul 22 16:08:07 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:08:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 20 meters is dead all day In-Reply-To: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> References: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a45f007-e9a4-402e-8a01-f3fe2128d49a@socal.rr.com> Sid, re "I call it "Mouse-click Radio" as that's all you have to do. At least you will hear (see?) activity.": Seems like the other challenge might be staying awake for the complete contact, on these warm Summer afternoons ;-) 73, Phil W7OX On 7/22/16 10:24 AM, Sid Frissell wrote: > You "20 meters is dead all day" guys need to check out WSJT-X (JT-9 and JT-65). > At least here in MT 14076 is busy every day all day! You can find many US and VE stations plus a very good mix of DX. I have only been on this mode since late in 2014 (been a ham since 1950) and I have worked over 100 DX entities. {I started over when I took up digital. New ones are still popping up. Plenty of QSO's. No rag-chewing of course !!! Also, my DX spotter in DXLabd seems to keep rolling out spots all day--many on 20, both SSB and cw. Try 14076. > I call it "Mouse-click Radio" as thats all you have to do. At least you will hear (see?) activity. > > 73, Sid. NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad From ka9zap at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 16:21:44 2016 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:21:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Nova link on u-tube Message-ID: <57928058.2050904@gmail.com> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncphh8FWUUE */Regards Art ka9zap /* From w6jhb at me.com Fri Jul 22 16:33:31 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:33:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 20 meters is dead all day In-Reply-To: <1a45f007-e9a4-402e-8a01-f3fe2128d49a@socal.rr.com> References: <7F430134-CEF8-4E0F-AC76-B4F2F5250B57@gmail.com> <1a45f007-e9a4-402e-8a01-f3fe2128d49a@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4705A86B-929A-4461-9A7F-2775FD67A7DD@me.com> The band only ?seems? dead. If you were to install WSJT-X and run a WSPR-2 session you would see that there IS propagation - it is just a lack of stations where you are listening for and/or looking for CW/SSB activity. I currently have my KX3 running WSPR-2 via a Raspberry Pi 3. On 20 meters, with my simple wire doublet, I am decoding quite a variety of stations as far east as Indiana & Louisiana, at mid-day, and none of them are running more than five watts. Granted, WSPR-2 is weak signal software, but stations with QRO power and rotatable antennas ought to be able to hear each other and make QSOs - IF someone gets on and actually calls CQ instead of simply listening, hearing nothing, and walking away thinking the band is dead? Just my two rubles?.. 73, Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 16:35:41 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:35:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] RTFM - Was: Adafruit P/N 1737 Wireless Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510384E1-2FC1-4204-807C-72B343B63233@gmail.com> Well, as I stated, I bought the keyboard and it arrived. I find it perplexing that I cannot use the F-keys for macros but I *can* use CTRL, F-key. I need to do some more reading. Works okay for what it is and why I bought it - macros for the PX3. This brings me to RTFM: It really helps. I figured out I could program macros on the PX3 itself with its function keys. I only really wanted four to six macros which is all I had on the K3. Well, you can do that. I use FN1 - FN4 for BW control on the PX3. I figured out about the PX3 macros today and programmed FN5 and FN6 for what I was using PF1 for on the KX3. Just thought you?d find a little humor in my continuing saga of cockpit errors. :) At least it wasn?t an expensive mistake and if I need more than six macros, I have the keyboard. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:10, Joel Black wrote: > > The Adafruit 1737 wireless keyboard I ordered showed up today. Appears to work fine with the PX3 in case anyone?s interested. > > I would consider the price a little high with shipping - $17 for the keyboard and more than $12 for shipping. The keyboard is not very robust but I don?t plan on standing on it. :) > > All I?ve tried so far is Ctrl-Alt-M to see if it would communicate. It communicates fine. I will try adding macros in the next day or two but I don?t think there will be any issue. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB From silver60 at charter.net Fri Jul 22 17:13:39 2016 From: silver60 at charter.net (Dick) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:13:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Reply to Jim Message-ID: Hi Jim, the panels are approximately 250 feet from my Hexbeam antenna and about 275 feet from my Dipole (160-2m OCF).? I have not seen any rise in the noise level (base) on my S meter on my 857 . I am in a small town (10, 500), in central MA, my nearest neighbor is 200 feet from the antennas. Dick Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Jul 22 17:18:24 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K3EXREF 10MHz Voltage Help Message-ID: <201607222118.u6MLIO9A019592@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Bret, I run my 10-MHz reference thru a 4-way distribution amplifier that has a two-pole bandpass filter which passes only a sine wave no matter how distorted the source 10-MHz. That provides 10mw level to all my equipment needing a reference. But if you are determined to provide some protection a 3-dB sma attenuator should do just fine. They are small in diameter and size with typically sma-male and sma-female on opposite ends. If there are some VHF-up hams in your area ask about getting one; otherwise they are available on e-bay and from mfr's (Google "sma attenuators"). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Jul 22 19:25:32 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:25:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Message-ID: <1FB777BB-1346-4E58-96BF-F7F085097AE0@law.du.edu> ?> I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since ....? That is my experience as well; and I believe the recorded sunspot counts since bear that out. The Fall of 1957 on 15 meters was like shooting fish in a barrel, with a DX-20 then, after getting the bigger ticket, a Viking Ranger, an HQ-100, and a dipole almost but not quite 15 feet above ground. The receive selectivity was something like the width of a garage door; but a routine morning was adding a handful of new entities in Europe and Africa before heading off to school, and a couple in the Pacific after coming home. We all got spoiled. But easier doesn?t necessarily mean more fun. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:17:36 -0400 From: Guy Olinger K2AV To: Grant Youngman Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in 1956. In '56 every day in Columbus OH I could see test patterns on channel 2 from Miami FL. Oh, to have had a K3/KPA500 back then. 11 meters was a ham band on my friend's dad's 75A3. And 10 was jumping. 73, Guy K2AV On Friday, July 22, 2016, Grant Youngman wrote: > Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning. My little DX-40 worked a > lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time > of day it was. > > I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since .... > > Grant NQ5T > From kc6cnn at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 20:01:39 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:01:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 four band for sale. Message-ID: <1469232099305-7620580.post@n2.nabble.com> Elecraft K1 for Sale Radio works great. I am down sizing my shack getting ready to move to a small off grid cabin. I am selling this radio for $450. The radio includes the following options and features: K1-4 four band 5 watt CW Xcvr 15 / 20 / 30 / 40 KFL1-2 two band module 20 / 40 meter additional KFL1-2 two band module 15 / 30 meter additional KAT1 Internal ATU for the K1 KNB1 Noise Blanker K1BKLKIT K1 Back light kit K1 Wide Range Tilt Stand Thank you Gerald Manthey ? KC6CNN kc6cnn at gmail.com ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-four-band-for-sale-tp7620580.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc6cnn at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 20:02:52 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:02:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for sale Message-ID: <1469232172057-7620581.post@n2.nabble.com> I am down sizing my shack to move to a small off grid cabin. I have a Elecraft K2 station for sale. Station works great. Elecraft K2 Twins Price List. EC2 K2 Blank Project Enclosure $79.95 ETS15 Tilt Stand, 1.5 inch $14.95 FDIMP Finger Dimple for K1/K2 $6.95 K160RX K2 160M / 2nd RX Antenna Option $39.95 K2 K2 HF Transceiver $759.95 KAF2 K2 Audio filter and Real Time Clock $89.95 KAT100-2 100W ATU with EC2 panels $229.95 KAT100PNL Kit to convert KAT100-1 to -2 $39.95 KAT2 K2 20W Internal Auto Tuner $179.95 KBT2 K2 Internal 2.9AH Battery Kit $79.95 KIO2 K2 AUX I/O RS-232 Interface $99.95 KPA100 K2/100 Internal Integration Kit $399.95 KSB2 K2 SSB Option $129.95 Hand Microphone $40.00 10th Led CWT indicator $45.00 Fixed Auto Output $35.00 Tuned by W3FPR Total to purchase - $2271.35 For Sale for $1150 Thanks you Gerald Manthey ? KC6CNN kc6cnn at gmail.com ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-for-sale-tp7620581.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From btippett at alum.mit.edu Fri Jul 22 21:22:54 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:22:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Guy Olinger K2AV wrote > I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are > in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in > 1956. The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots = 355). http://www.solen.info/solar/history/hist1957.html I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC: http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Solar-Cycle-tp7620505p7620582.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pastormg2 at verizon.net Fri Jul 22 23:38:59 2016 From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:38:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale! Message-ID: <12784216.2464652.1469245139570.JavaMail.root@vznit170134.mailsrvcs.net> Good Evening this is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I would like to put my K3 up for sale. Please see below for all the details. Mark Griffin, KB3Z Elecraft K3 System Part # Description Selling Price K3-100 F K3 100 Watt Transceiver, SN# 4805 1650 KXV3A RX Ant, IF Out, Xverter Int. 82.5 KSYN3AUPG Ksyn3a Upgrade Kit 165 KVDR3 K3 Digital Voice Recorder 105 KFL3A-1.8K-IR 1.8 KHZ 8 Pole Filter 82.5 KFL3A-250-IR 250 Hz 8 Pole Filter 105 KFL3A-400-IR 400 Hz 8 Pole Filter 105 Total 2295 K3 has the 2.8 KHZ 8 pole filter that came with the radio. K3 does not have Internal Antenna Tuner. K3 does not have a Secondary Receiver. K3 Internal Speaker does not work due to a possible Resistor Fault. My Email Address is Pastormg2 at verizon.Net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Jul 22 23:48:30 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:48:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 20 meters is dead all day Message-ID: <201607230348.u6N3mUb3008430@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I'll take a chance the thread has not been moderated. I built my first receiver in time for listening on 1958 to wide-open 10m. Guy's running 50w easily heard around the world. Definitely never the same since. Unfortunately 13wpm kept my off 10m though I passed the General written exam when I took my Tech license in 1959 at age 15. The good part of that was I got on 6m and 2m which led to years on VHF+. I now can work the world by sending my signal half a million miles via the Moon; no propagation issues (unless a solar flare disturbs the ionosphere enough to attenuate my signal passage thru it). Nearly impossible to check into the Elecraft SSB Net on Sunday's; only hear N6JW and that can be rough copy. 20m is mostly noise these days. WWV comes thru on 15-MHz and very little heard on 17-10m. Ground wave on 600m is still reliable and some DX during winter when folks south of me can hear weak signals (static crashes kill 600m in summer). Hoping Joe Tayor (K1JT) will have out a digital QSO based mode soon. That should help use on HF/MW. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 00:42:44 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 07:42:44 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6FC46A67-A9C1-43BA-A671-E2E7BBB1E67B@gmail.com> 375! And today I'm happy when it breaks 100. Vic 4X6GP > On 23 Jul 2016, at 04:22, Bill W4ZV wrote: > > Guy Olinger K2AV wrote >> I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are >> in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in >> 1956. > > The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots = > 355). > > http://www.solen.info/solar/history/hist1957.html > > I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC: > > http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html > > 73, Bill W4ZV > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Sat Jul 23 02:46:55 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:46:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> <8e00df23-de0f-43f8-14c1-2eea9981578f@sonic.net> Message-ID: Hello David, (and Alan), and thanks to John for the link showing the added parts. David, your PS sounds very similar to the one I built, also in the 70's. Mine has four 3055's on very large heat sinks that are overkill, but I didn't know what to expect. It was at a time when we were going from high voltage PS for tubes to Low voltage PS for solid state. I had not seen a low voltage supply to power a 100 watt rig yet. So I went heavy duty. My diodes for the full wave bridge I made were stud mounted on 1/4 inch aluminum pieces for heat sinking, and mounted on wood to insulate them from each other. There were no full wave bridges in a package yet. I'm curious how your supply trips out, and if you used a relay? It seems to me that I did that, and when the 723 clamps down, the relay drops to open the primary. I have not had the time to review the schematic diagram, but as I recall, if a pass transistor shorts out, the crowbar may try to shunt the unregulated voltage, but the situation is not going to be good. That is why I like the device ad5x is showing on his website. It will protect the radio from over-voltage by blowing a fuse in the DC line. If Alan is reading this, I'm wondering if I missed where that 'strategically placed diode' is located? Dick, n0ce On 7/22/2016 10:16 AM, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote: > I have a couple of homebuilt DC regulated supplies that I built a great many years ago, the first is a simple 3A 13.5V one that was the very first supply I ever built and it used a 723 with a single 2N3055 series pass transistor. I remember I bought a lovely oil filled mains transformer for it, but accidentally wired up the 120V windings in parallel instead of series for our 240V mains and watched it start to bulge when I switched it on. (after I put a bigger fuse in it). I ended up using another transformer and the power supply is still in daily use, built in the early 70's. > > I later built a 25 Amp version with 4 3055s and a 723 with overvoltage trip, and also short circuit protection. It can be shorted out and with barely a spark it trips out and has to be reset before it comes on again. No fuses to blow and replace, no destroyed series pass transistors. I built it in a chassis that was lying around and 35 years later it is still in daily use and still not got a proper cover made for the chassis. I checked the output the other day on my scope to see if there was any hum or ripple and on full load I had 10mV p-p of noise. Regulation still excellent. > > Nothing much wrong with the humble 723. > > I have seen some truly awful "commercial" supplies with no short circuit protection, that blow the series pass transistors like fuses, or worse make them into short circuits that apply the full unregulated supply on to the load. > > 73 from David GM4JJJ > >> On 22 Jul 2016, at 15:55, Alan Bloom wrote: >> >> The 723 regulator has some known reliability issues, but with proper design they can be mitigated. In particular the differential voltage on the error amplifier inputs is only rated for 5v. If one input is connected to the 7.15V reference, then if the power supply output is shorted the voltage rating is exceeded. The solution is a strategically-placed diode. >> >> Alan N1AL >> >> > From jhpike at cox.net Sat Jul 23 03:28:17 2016 From: jhpike at cox.net (Jon) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 00:28:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 20 meters is dead all day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57931C91.8060705@cox.net> Well, it all depends... Was reading this, and flipped on the K2 to take a look. And... I just finished working E51JD, Jim on Raratonga, with the K2 putting out a mighty 10W to the inverted V, 11:57p PST. Also worked a VE in Vancouver, a good 20-30 over 9 here. (Raratonga was nowhere near as strong, but he was only running 100W) The other night though, I didn't hear much of anything the couple of times I listened. Your (our?) Ionosphere may vary... I agree about listening, and calling so there's a signal out there... And, the more "beacon like" modes and services sure help nowadays. Stumbled across a VK net on 14.183, sounded like a nightly Aussie version of the HHH net. Things like that could also serve as "propagation beacons". Jon - KA6MOK From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 23 07:31:11 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:31:11 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> <8e00df23-de0f-43f8-14c1-2eea9981578f@sonic.net> Message-ID: Richard, After a big search through my old documentation I have found all my design notes on the power supplies I built, I still have the Fairchild voltage regulator application handbook that I consulted at the time. Like you, I needed to build this supply for my first solid state high power equipment and I still use it to this day. The smoothing electrolytics are 2 large 31,000 uF military standard capacitors which were used in battlefield computers. The short circuit protection of the 25 Amp power supply appears to be something that I "designed" as it doesn't appear in the handbook in the form I used. Basically it uses a transistor that senses the output voltage dropping (as it would with a short circuit on the output) and this then triggers a small SCR which pulls the 723 compensation pin low which makes the 723 output voltage stop. This will remain like that until the short circuit is removed and the current through the SCR is broken by manually pushing a NC switch in series with the SCR. It works well, I have used it to zap NICADS that have gone short circuit! It just gives a brief pulse of high current and trips the supply, no fuse blowing etc. Overvoltage protection is even cruder, it is a standard Crowbar circuit with very big 40 amp SCR and 16 V zener to sense. This will blow a 20 Amp fuse in the raw supply. It has never been used in anger, though I did test it with a smaller fuse. It is there only to protect against either a shorted pass transistor or some fault with the regulator circuitry. Of course having a good current limit circuit with short circuit protection makes the likelihood of a series pass transistor failing short circuit more unlikely. My design has 4 2N3055's in parallel (with low value resistors in the emitters to help share the current equally) driven by another 3055, the current sense resistor is in the base drive of the output series pass transistors. I have over temperature protection of the transformer with a bimetallic switch but that has never tripped. I do have a soft start circuit on the primary using an AC relay and some high wattage resistors. I avoided using fans by using large heatsinks as fans are a source of failure over time. [I recall a commercial 5V 80 amp supply cooling fan failing at night, the supply shutting down for over temperature then coming back on again, rinse and repeat, until nearly every IC in a multimillion $ machine was damaged.] Like so many projects this was developed from earlier projects, starting with a simple single transistor 3A PSU, then an 8A using more transistors, and finally the 25A supply with much more in the way of protection from likely fault conditions. I am not sure I could source the mains transformer or smoothing capacitors so easily nowadays if I wanted to build another one, as nearly all new designs are high efficiency switched mode supplies. I think it best if anyone else wants more details that they take this off the list and contact me directly as we are well over the limit on postings on this subject. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 23 Jul 2016, at 07:46, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > Hello David, (and Alan), and thanks to John for the link showing the added parts. > > David, your PS sounds very similar to the one I built, also in the 70's. Mine has four 3055's on very large heat sinks that are overkill, but I didn't know what to expect. > > I'm curious how your supply trips out, and if you used a relay? It seems to me that I did that, and when the 723 clamps down, the relay drops to open the primary. I have not had the time to review the schematic diagram, but as I recall, if a pass transistor shorts out, the crowbar may try to shunt the unregulated voltage, but the situation is not going to be good. That is why I like the device ad5x is showing on his website. It will protect the radio from over-voltage by blowing a fuse in the DC line. > > If Alan is reading this, I'm wondering if I missed where that 'strategically placed diode' is located? > > Dick, n0ce > > >> On 7/22/2016 10:16 AM, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I later built a 25 Amp version with 4 3055s and a 723 with overvoltage trip, and also short circuit protection. It can be shorted out and with barely a spark it trips out and has to be reset before it comes on again. No fuses to blow and replace, no destroyed series pass transistors. I built it in a chassis that was lying around and 35 years later it is still in daily use and still not got a proper cover made for the chassis. I checked the output the other day on my scope to see if there was any hum or ripple and on full load I had 10mV p-p of noise. Regulation still excellent. >> >> >> 73 from David GM4JJJ >> >>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 15:55, Alan Bloom wrote: >>> >>> The 723 regulator has some known reliability issues, but with proper design they can be mitigated. In particular the differential voltage on the error amplifier inputs is only rated for 5v. If one input is connected to the 7.15V reference, then if the power supply output is shorted the voltage rating is exceeded. The solution is a strategically-placed diode. >>> >>> Alan N1AL >>> From wn3r.us at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 08:10:08 2016 From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (Dick,WN3R) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 08:10:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Data operation. Message-ID: I have a KX3 and never added the third party heat sink, but will probably install the one now offered by Elecraft. I'm seriously looking over the KX2. I'd be interested in hearing from owners of both rigs about digital operation comparisons. How has the heat issue been addressed in the KX2? If this question has been asked and answered, please tell me where I can find them. Thank you. 73, Dick, WN3R From ed at w0yk.com Sat Jul 23 08:23:37 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:23:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Data operation. Message-ID: What heat issue?? My KX2 runs RTTY at 10 watts.? If the transmit-receive ratio is too high, or if the transmission is too long, the PA temperature may reach the limit where power is reduced to 5 watts. 73, Ed W0YK On Jul 23, 2016 5:10 AM, "Dick,WN3R" wrote: > > I have a KX3 and never added the third party heat sink, but will probably install the one now offered by Elecraft. > > I'm seriously looking over the KX2. I'd be interested in hearing from owners of both rigs about digital operation comparisons. > > How has the heat issue been addressed in the KX2? > > If this question has been asked and answered, please tell me where I can find them. > > Thank you. > > 73, Dick, WN3R > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From N3ND at aol.com Sat Jul 23 08:36:30 2016 From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 08:36:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MACROS Message-ID: I've built countless macros for controlling many things in the K3(s), P3, and now KPOD, but there is one command that is either lacking or I can't seem to locate it. Help me here. I need a "wait" command that would allow the macro title to appear on the VFO-B display for a defined time limit before extinguishing itself automatically. Right now I build macros with many semicolons (;) prior to a final "MN255;" command, but the macro build limits the macro field to 120 characters and the resultant display time is too short. I'd like to see a "WAIT" command that would allow a pause of xxxx milliseconds before enacting the next command in a macro line. Now more than ever, with the KPOD, it would be nice not having to extinguish a macro name from the VFO-B display without having to touch the radio front panel. (WAxxxx; ?) Dan -- N3ND From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Jul 23 08:46:50 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:46:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX 2 cheat sheet? In-Reply-To: <0C1E7933-6560-4D32-BAE7-AA1E07D1AD45@arrl.net> References: <0C1E7933-6560-4D32-BAE7-AA1E07D1AD45@arrl.net> Message-ID: <1469278010787-7620592.post@n2.nabble.com> There's a few simple ones on the Yahoo KX3 group, which has other Elecraft stuff too. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX-2-cheat-sheet-tp7618924p7620592.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w6jhb at me.com Sat Jul 23 10:37:56 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 07:37:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Data operation. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BBB197A-BD06-4726-A437-8DDC4F57A367@me.com> Dick, I have only the KX3 - no KX2 - but I can tell you that with the basic unit, no add-on heat sink, operating PSK31 heated up the unit enough for it to fold back just about every time I used it. I put on the heat sink offered by Pro Audio Engineering, did it the optimal way, and it made a world of difference. No fold back, the heat sink only warm to the touch. I also use the rig for WSPR-2, almost 24-7, but only running 2 watts. After the 2 minute transmit cycle completes the heat sink is only slightly warm. Can't say how the Elecraft replacement heat sink compares to the one I bought, but I think you will want something other than the stock unit. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Jul 23, 2016, at 5:10 AM, Dick,WN3R wrote: > > I have a KX3 and never added the third party heat sink, but will probably install the one now offered by Elecraft. > > I'm seriously looking over the KX2. I'd be interested in hearing from owners of both rigs about digital operation comparisons. > > How has the heat issue been addressed in the KX2? > > If this question has been asked and answered, please tell me where I can find them. > > Thank you. > > 73, Dick, WN3R > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From dave at nk7z.net Sat Jul 23 11:16:41 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 08:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MACROS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1469287001.5813.90.camel@nk7z.net> On Sat, 2016-07-23 at 08:36 -0400, Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote: > > I need a "wait" command that would allow the macro title to appear on? > the VFO-B display for a defined time limit before extinguishing itself > automatically. I would also like that very much, and for the same reasons... ?I use strings of macros in programming the Genovation keypad, for K3/P3 control, and a WAIT X ms, would be wonderful... --? 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From n7tb at comcast.net Sat Jul 23 11:42:53 2016 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 08:42:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference Message-ID: I am operating portable in the southern Puget Sound area currently. I am picking up a strange S9 interference that is very narrow but generally slowly moving down the bands and sometimes up the bands. It occurs at any one point in time at 14.030, 14.060, 14.090 for instance, and occurs on all ham bands with the same spacing between the instances of interference. I started noticing this same pattern of interference at my home QRH in Oregon last week. I am running a KX3, KXPA100, and sometimes the PX3. It occurs with preamp on or off and with PA Mode on or off. I am wondering if it is atmospheric natural or man made interference or if something is wrong with my receiver in the KX3. I would appreciate any help I could get. Thanks, Terry, N7TB From phystad at mac.com Sat Jul 23 11:49:06 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 08:49:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, I am in the mid-Puget Sound area but about 15 miles due east of Puget Sound in Kirkland, WA. I can?t find any signals that you describe. Time currently is 8:48 AM (PDT). 73, phil, K7PEH > On Jul 23, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Terry Brown wrote: > > I am operating portable in the southern Puget Sound area currently. I am picking up a strange S9 interference that is very narrow but generally slowly moving down the bands and sometimes up the bands. It occurs at any one point in time at 14.030, 14.060, 14.090 for instance, and occurs on all ham bands with the same spacing between the instances of interference. I started noticing this same pattern of interference at my home QRH in Oregon last week. I am running a KX3, KXPA100, and sometimes the PX3. It occurs with preamp on or off and with PA Mode on or off. I am wondering if it is atmospheric natural or man made interference or if something is wrong with my receiver in the KX3. > > I would appreciate any help I could get. > > Thanks, > > Terry, N7TB > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Jul 23 12:31:35 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:31:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat,7/23/2016 8:42 AM, Terry Brown wrote: > It occurs at any one point in time at 14.030, 14.060, 14.090 for instance, and occurs on all ham bands with the same spacing between the instances of interference. It's a switch-mode power supply, one of the most common noise sources. http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From w8dn at roadrunner.com Sat Jul 23 12:37:28 2016 From: w8dn at roadrunner.com (Mike Rhodes) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:37:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5014024e-9c1a-c92a-f308-307f65559aa7@roadrunner.com> ...hmmm. Since Phil is not hearing the interference from a few miles away, it sounds like the source may be something you brought with you. What all have you brought from your home QTH? Mike / W8DN On 7/23/2016 11:49 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Terry, > > I am in the mid-Puget Sound area but about 15 miles due east of Puget Sound in Kirkland, WA. I can?t find any signals that you describe. Time currently is 8:48 AM (PDT). > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Terry Brown wrote: >> >> I am operating portable in the southern Puget Sound area currently. I am picking up a strange S9 interference that is very narrow but generally slowly moving down the bands and sometimes up the bands. It occurs at any one point in time at 14.030, 14.060, 14.090 for instance, and occurs on all ham bands with the same spacing between the instances of interference. I started noticing this same pattern of interference at my home QRH in Oregon last week. I am running a KX3, KXPA100, and sometimes the PX3. It occurs with preamp on or off and with PA Mode on or off. I am wondering if it is atmospheric natural or man made interference or if something is wrong with my receiver in the KX3. >> >> I would appreciate any help I could get. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Terry, N7TB >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8dn at roadrunner.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 12:47:04 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:47:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: <5014024e-9c1a-c92a-f308-307f65559aa7@roadrunner.com> References: <5014024e-9c1a-c92a-f308-307f65559aa7@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <1373b601-9682-d078-7873-c469c5c9ee38@gmail.com> Or is of a common thread at both locations. i.e. rather than hauling phone chargers around, I leave them scattered in my usual places (less to move). I do the same with similar devices (not always the stock brand). Switching supplies are common but not all meet or exceed noise requirements. Rick nhc On 7/23/2016 9:37 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > ...hmmm. Since Phil is not hearing the interference from a few miles > away, it sounds like the source may be something you brought with you. > What all have you brought from your home QTH? > > Mike / W8DN > > On 7/23/2016 11:49 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Terry, >> >> I am in the mid-Puget Sound area but about 15 miles due east of Puget >> Sound in Kirkland, WA. I can?t find any signals that you describe. >> Time currently is 8:48 AM (PDT). >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Terry Brown wrote: >>> >>> I am operating portable in the southern Puget Sound area currently. >>> I am picking up a strange S9 interference that is very narrow but >>> generally slowly moving down the bands and sometimes up the bands. >>> It occurs at any one point in time at 14.030, 14.060, 14.090 for >>> instance, and occurs on all ham bands with the same spacing between >>> the instances of interference. I started noticing this same pattern >>> of interference at my home QRH in Oregon last week. I am running a >>> KX3, KXPA100, and sometimes the PX3. It occurs with preamp on or off >>> and with PA Mode on or off. I am wondering if it is atmospheric >>> natural or man made interference or if something is wrong with my >>> receiver in the KX3. >>> >>> I would appreciate any help I could get. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Terry, N7TB >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w8dn at roadrunner.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Jul 23 12:49:23 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: <5014024e-9c1a-c92a-f308-307f65559aa7@roadrunner.com> References: <5014024e-9c1a-c92a-f308-307f65559aa7@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <080a6fdb-64de-f013-736c-bb3c5d740190@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,7/23/2016 9:37 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > it sounds like the source may be something you brought with you. What > all have you brought from your home QTH? Good thinking, Mike. Terry -- read my link, notice the forms that switch-mode power supplies take, like wall warts and power supplies for equipment. Like computers, cell phone chargers, etc. 73, Jim K9YC From n1al at sonic.net Sat Jul 23 13:57:14 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear PS Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <60704ca6-19d9-b986-94d6-3251afecacb5@n7xy.net> <1d042b1e-df62-4993-5cb2-42ffcbd45096@audiosystemsgroup.com> <05D41073-746D-442A-88EB-B0B306039477@gmail.com> <041f2526-7f3e-ae1a-a2ed-3e02084b5b61@montac.com> <8e00df23-de0f-43f8-14c1-2eea9981578f@sonic.net> Message-ID: > If Alan is reading this, I'm wondering if I missed where that > 'strategically placed diode' is located? One way to do it is just to put a pair of back-to-back diodes in parallel with the inputs. That protects against over-voltage of either polarity. One thing I always like to do when constructing a homebrew project is to paste a copy of the schematic inside the top cover. That way I can never lose the schematic. :=) Here's an image of such a schematic of a 723-based, 10A, 7-15V bench supply that I built many years ago: http://n1al.net/music/N1AL_10A.gif It is very conservatively rated at 10A. I probably could have designed it for a comfortable 15A, but the markings on the meter I wanted to use for an ammeter wouldn't easily accommodate that. For a similar reason, I put a 5V zener in series with the voltmeter so it would read 5-15. One issue with the 723 is that it needs a higher-voltage supply than the pass transistors. If you make the unregulated input voltage high enough to avoid dropout, the pass transistors are dissipating more power than they need to. So in this design I used a separate supply for the 723. One issue with doing that is if the transistor supply fails (it is separately fused) the 723 tries to supply all the output current. In this case the 723 supply is derived from 65V (since that was the available winding on the transformer I used) with a dropping resistor and shunt zener. The dropping resistor limits the current to a safe value. This supply has fold-back current limiting. The 22k resistor from pin 2 causes the current limit to drop from 14A or so at 13.8V output to about 11A at 7V output and 7A with a short circuit. That's a good idea for a variable-voltage supply since pass transistor dissipation increases at lower output voltages. But even for a fixed-voltage supply it's nice that the supply recovers automatically from a shorted output. If you use a crowbar-type current limit, you have to cycle power to get it to turn on again. Alan N1AL On 07/22/2016 11:46 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Hello David, (and Alan), and thanks to John for the link showing the > added parts. > > David, your PS sounds very similar to the one I built, also in the > 70's. Mine has four 3055's on very large heat sinks that are overkill, > but I didn't know what to expect. It was at a time when we were going > from high voltage PS for tubes to Low voltage PS for solid state. I had > not seen a low voltage supply to power a 100 watt rig yet. So I went > heavy duty. My diodes for the full wave bridge I made were stud mounted > on 1/4 inch aluminum pieces for heat sinking, and mounted on wood to > insulate them from each other. There were no full wave bridges in a > package yet. > > I'm curious how your supply trips out, and if you used a relay? It > seems to me that I did that, and when the 723 clamps down, the relay > drops to open the primary. I have not had the time to review the > schematic diagram, but as I recall, if a pass transistor shorts out, the > crowbar may try to shunt the unregulated voltage, but the situation is > not going to be good. That is why I like the device ad5x is showing on > his website. It will protect the radio from over-voltage by blowing a > fuse in the DC line. > > If Alan is reading this, I'm wondering if I missed where that > 'strategically placed diode' is located? > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/22/2016 10:16 AM, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote: >> I have a couple of homebuilt DC regulated supplies that I built a >> great many years ago, the first is a simple 3A 13.5V one that was the >> very first supply I ever built and it used a 723 with a single 2N3055 >> series pass transistor. I remember I bought a lovely oil filled mains >> transformer for it, but accidentally wired up the 120V windings in >> parallel instead of series for our 240V mains and watched it start to >> bulge when I switched it on. (after I put a bigger fuse in it). I >> ended up using another transformer and the power supply is still in >> daily use, built in the early 70's. >> >> I later built a 25 Amp version with 4 3055s and a 723 with overvoltage >> trip, and also short circuit protection. It can be shorted out and >> with barely a spark it trips out and has to be reset before it comes >> on again. No fuses to blow and replace, no destroyed series pass >> transistors. I built it in a chassis that was lying around and 35 >> years later it is still in daily use and still not got a proper cover >> made for the chassis. I checked the output the other day on my scope >> to see if there was any hum or ripple and on full load I had 10mV p-p >> of noise. Regulation still excellent. >> >> Nothing much wrong with the humble 723. >> >> I have seen some truly awful "commercial" supplies with no short >> circuit protection, that blow the series pass transistors like fuses, >> or worse make them into short circuits that apply the full unregulated >> supply on to the load. >> >> 73 from David GM4JJJ >> >>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 15:55, Alan Bloom wrote: >>> >>> The 723 regulator has some known reliability issues, but with proper >>> design they can be mitigated. In particular the differential voltage >>> on the error amplifier inputs is only rated for 5v. If one input is >>> connected to the 7.15V reference, then if the power supply output is >>> shorted the voltage rating is exceeded. The solution is a >>> strategically-placed diode. >>> >>> Alan N1AL >>> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net From n7tb at comcast.net Sat Jul 23 14:43:49 2016 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 11:43:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks to all for the advice. I found the issue. It is my Powerwerx SS30DV Switching supply. I thought this supply was a good one to not create problems like I am having. Not sure if it is fixable or If I need to send it in for repair. Very 73, Terry N7TB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Strange-Interference-tp7620595p7620602.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cautery at montac.com Sat Jul 23 14:49:42 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:49:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: My unit has an issue as well... spikes/hash every 34kHz from 160m to 10m. I think there might have been a batch slip through... because so many people report no noise. I am testing every one I can get and recording/reporting the serial numbers. I documented the issue to Elecraft and Powerwerx, and both companies, as expected of course, have been very responsive. NICE little package... Hopefully, the issue can be solved or sufficiently mitigated. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/23/2016 1:43 PM, Terry wrote: > Thanks to all for the advice. I found the issue. It is my Powerwerx SS30DV > Switching supply. I thought this supply was a good one to not create > problems like I am having. Not sure if it is fixable or If I need to send it > in for repair. > > Very 73, > > Terry > N7TB From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 14:54:59 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:54:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <34F5DDFA-7D41-4BBD-A842-02693740FD64@gmail.com> I've found the same issues with mine. It was fine when my antennas were outdoors, tower mounted, and a good bit away from the shack. Now that I'm reduced to using close by portable style antennas ... it's just noisy. I've tried all manner of ferrites to little avail. In the radio room I use a linear supply and portable I run on batteries. I carry the PowerWerx to handle charging duties when I'm away from home .. but not for operating. Grant NQ5T K3/P3, KX3/PX3 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Terry wrote: > > Thanks to all for the advice. I found the issue. It is my Powerwerx SS30DV > Switching supply. I thought this supply was a good one to not create > problems like I am having. Not sure if it is fixable or If I need to send it > in for repair. > > From ppauly at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 14:55:06 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:55:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: References: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I had a similar problem with a very strong noise that increased in frequency. I wondered for weeks where it was coming from and low-and-behold - it was the Astron SS-30 sitting on top of my ham gear. I was using it for the 2 meter rig and other smaller stuff. I replaced it with a linear model and all is well. My point is, if you think you can solve this problem by buying a different brand switching power supply, you may be disappointed. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > My unit has an issue as well... spikes/hash every 34kHz from 160m to 10m. > > I think there might have been a batch slip through... because so many > people report no noise. > > I am testing every one I can get and recording/reporting the serial > numbers. > > I documented the issue to Elecraft and Powerwerx, and both companies, as > expected of course, have been very responsive. > > NICE little package... Hopefully, the issue can be solved or > sufficiently mitigated. > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/23/2016 1:43 PM, Terry wrote: > > Thanks to all for the advice. I found the issue. It is my Powerwerx > SS30DV > > Switching supply. I thought this supply was a good one to not create > > problems like I am having. Not sure if it is fixable or If I need to > send it > > in for repair. > > > > Very 73, > > > > Terry > > N7TB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From ae5x at juno.com Sat Jul 23 15:32:18 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:18 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] KX 2 cheat sheet? Message-ID: <20160723.143218.12981.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Here's the most recent one: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sjhyn5ejs8hujw9/KX2%20Cheat%20Sheet.pdf?dl=0 John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 From pincon at erols.com Sat Jul 23 15:45:07 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:45:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <00a401d1e51a$ba3bb2c0$2eb31840$@erols.com> Glad you found the source. However, last year I heard some strange "weeblie" signals that swept across the 10 meter band. They would typically start up some point and sweep from low to high in frequency. They were quite noticeable on the VGA/P3 or the Flex screen. They sounded like they were being frequency modulated at a slow, maybe 10Hz rate over about a 100 Hz span, while the whole signal took anywhere from a split second to about 10 seconds to travel a few hundred kilohertz. The fast ones would leave a trail of dashes, depending on the P3 sweep speed and the slow movement seemed to get a bit faster as it moved. I'd see a couple every 10 to 20 seconds and they were definitely coming in the antenna. The source was not local, because I could switch to an indoor loop and they were barely readable. I haven't looked recently since ten has not been too active. I'll park the K3 up on ten and check the scope every so often to see if they still show up. I DO have a similar RFI type signal coming from my PWM solar charger, but these weeblies are different. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 2:44 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange Interference Thanks to all for the advice. I found the issue. It is my Powerwerx SS30DV Switching supply. I thought this supply was a good one to not create problems like I am having. Not sure if it is fixable or If I need to send it in for repair. Very 73, Terry N7TB From n7xy at n7xy.net Sat Jul 23 16:01:09 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:01:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: <5014024e-9c1a-c92a-f308-307f65559aa7@roadrunner.com> References: <5014024e-9c1a-c92a-f308-307f65559aa7@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <95eb79db-e96a-2657-4cfd-fa39dd8a2463@n7xy.net> I'm on Bainbridge Island in the west-central part of Puget Sound and I'm not hearing anything (not much in the way of signals either). Of course it is several hours later. Bob, N7XY On 7/23/16 9:37 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > ...hmmm. Since Phil is not hearing the interference from a few miles > away, it sounds like the source may be something you brought with you. > What all have you brought from your home QTH? > > Mike / W8DN > > On 7/23/2016 11:49 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Terry, >> >> I am in the mid-Puget Sound area but about 15 miles due east of Puget >> Sound in Kirkland, WA. I can?t find any signals that you describe. >> Time currently is 8:48 AM (PDT). >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Terry Brown wrote: >>> >>> I am operating portable in the southern Puget Sound area currently. >>> I am picking up a strange S9 interference that is very narrow but >>> generally slowly moving down the bands and sometimes up the bands. >>> It occurs at any one point in time at 14.030, 14.060, 14.090 for >>> instance, and occurs on all ham bands with the same spacing between >>> the instances of interference. I started noticing this same pattern >>> of interference at my home QRH in Oregon last week. I am running a >>> KX3, KXPA100, and sometimes the PX3. It occurs with preamp on or off >>> and with PA Mode on or off. I am wondering if it is atmospheric >>> natural or man made interference or if something is wrong with my >>> receiver in the KX3. >>> >>> I would appreciate any help I could get. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Terry, N7TB >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w8dn at roadrunner.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Jul 23 16:25:48 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53ad67cd-25e6-9dbb-c8ed-b6e3abc0729d@foothill.net> Sounds like an SMPS, it may be yours :-) I have a similar noise on 80 only. It sounds like a slight increase in the background noise as I tune across it, but it is much more pronounced on the P3, and it drifts slowly up and down by 20-30 KHz over time. It rises to a 2-3 KHz wide peak, drops to near zero, rises to a lesser peak about 15 KHz higher, drops again, and continues like that until the amplitude is near zero. The WF shows a series of vertical, noisy, lines. I think it's mine because when I get into a CW ragchew on 80 and have a higher key-down average, the drift becomes more pronounced, like something is heating up. I haven't been motivated to find it because, while it's very pronounced on the P3, at CW bandwidths like 250 Hz, I really don't hear it. Weigh your wall warts. If they're not heavy, they're very likely SMPS. The one I charge my shaver with puts out a "yuuge" amount of noise. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 7/23/2016 8:42 AM, Terry Brown wrote: > I am operating portable in the southern Puget Sound area currently. I > am picking up a strange S9 interference that is very narrow but > generally slowly moving down the bands and sometimes up the bands. It > occurs at any one point in time at 14.030, 14.060, 14.090 for > instance, and occurs on all ham bands with the same spacing between > the instances of interference. I started noticing this same pattern > of interference at my home QRH in Oregon last week. I am running a > KX3, KXPA100, and sometimes the PX3. It occurs with preamp on or off > and with PA Mode on or off. I am wondering if it is atmospheric > natural or man made interference or if something is wrong with my > receiver in the KX3. From lists at subich.com Sat Jul 23 16:31:01 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:31:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SO2V mixed mode oddity In-Reply-To: <002501d1e39f$92a706a0$b7f513e0$@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <002501d1e39f$92a706a0$b7f513e0$@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: > (incidently, K8UT does not notice this on his K3S) It seems that you have not attempted to determine what is different on your K3 and that of K8UT. The behavior you (and VE3KI) are seeing is due to the EQ setting for the main RX being applied to the Sub RX. If you will select MENU: RX EQ and press CLR for each mode (setting RX EQ flat for each mode), you will no longer observe the behavior (audio "roll off") you have been complaining about. The audio roll off is most likely because you have selected a significant high frequency roll off for CW. Pressing B SET causes the K3 to select the RX EQ settings for the Sub RX mode which remains in effect when you clear B SET - until you toggle either Entry focus (position of the green dot) or TX Focus (position of the red dot). It is likely K8UT has his CW RX EQ set to flat or very similar to his SSB settings. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/21/2016 6:31 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: > Reported by myself (Mike VE9AA) on the N1MM+ list but described much better > by VE3KI, Rich, below. > > Has anyone found a work around to mixed mode SO2V operating when the sub rx > is on SSB? > > (incidently, K8UT does not notice this on his K3S) > > [Elecraft] [K3] Strange filter behaviour in the subRX > %5C%5BElecraft%5C%5D+%5C%5BK3%5C%5D+Strange+filter+behaviour+in+the+subRX%22 > &o=newest> > > > > Richard Ferch Sat, 02 Jul 2016 15:43:22 -0700 > > > > After a user reported problems with filter settings in N1MM+ in SO2V with > > one VFO in CW and the other VFO in SSB, I did some investigating. I had > > never tried mixed-mode dual receive before. After doing some experimenting, > > first with N1MM+ and then with the radio on its own, I conclude that there > > does appear to be a problem, but it seems to be in the K3 firmware, not in > > N1MM+. > > > > After some initial exploration, I ran audio spectrum analysis software on > > the Line Out output of the K3 with band noise input on a dead band, default > > filter settings and with no radio control software of any kind running. > > With both VFOs in SSB, the noise spectrum display is similar for both VFOs > > - reasonably flat (plus or minus a few dB) from 200 Hz to 2800 Hz, more or > > less. If one VFO is in CW and the other VFO is in SSB (or DATA A, which > > seems to behave the same way), the VFO A SSB plot looks the same as before, > > but when I use the K3's A/B button to swap VFOs, the spectrum display for > > VFO B in SSB looks quite different, with a more or less linear rolloff of > > roughly 10 dB/kHz (not per octave, per kHz) from 700 Hz to 2700 Hz. That > > is, at 1700 Hz the spectrum plot is down around 10 dB from the value at 700 > > Hz, and at 2700 Hz it is down around another 10 dB. The difference is > > clearly audible. I can fix this by pressing the B-SET button on the K3, > > which restores a flat response profile in VFO B, but when I press A/B twice > > to swap the SSB and CW settings between the two VFOs twice, the rolloff > > comes back when VFO B is in SSB mode. > > > > Has anyone else seen anything like this? Is there a configuration setting > > that can fix it? > > > > 73, > > Rich VE3KI > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > > > Mike, Coreen & Corey > > Keswick Ridge, NB > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From esteptony at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 16:55:18 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:55:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots = > 355). > I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC: > http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html > ============ Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill. He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade. Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24 hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns, aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15 phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities, plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket. 73, Tony KT0NY > > From mark at mlb.net Sat Jul 23 17:13:50 2016 From: mark at mlb.net (Mark Bayern) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to the final, crystal controlled. (At least that is what I remember in the mid 60's.) Mark AD5SS On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > >> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots = >> 355). >> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC: >> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html >> > ============ > Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill. > He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but > I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade. > Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice > call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did > it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24 > hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was > hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls > ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled > to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns, > aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels > of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15 > phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning > back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly > coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the > Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The > older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities, > plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another > pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket. > > 73, > Tony KT0NY > >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to plcmark at gmail.com From mark at mlb.net Sat Jul 23 17:14:48 2016 From: mark at mlb.net (Mark Bayern) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:14:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ... and a _one_ year license! On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: > So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to > the final, crystal controlled. (At least that is what I remember in > the mid 60's.) > > Mark AD5SS > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: >> >>> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots = >>> 355). >>> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC: >>> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html >>> >> ============ >> Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill. >> He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but >> I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade. >> Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice >> call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did >> it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24 >> hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was >> hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls >> ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled >> to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns, >> aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels >> of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15 >> phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning >> back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly >> coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the >> Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The >> older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities, >> plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another >> pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket. >> >> 73, >> Tony KT0NY >> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to plcmark at gmail.com From wa9mag at ameritech.net Sat Jul 23 18:12:57 2016 From: wa9mag at ameritech.net (Larry P. Greenberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3 Synthesizer & Board Stiffener Message-ID: I recently upgraded the two synthesizers in my K3. I therefore have two original KSYN3 synthesizers and two unopened Synthesizer Board Stiffeners available. I don?t know what they are worth. If anyone wants them, please email me off list and we can agree on a price. My email address is wa9mag at ameritech dot net. Larry, WA9MAG?' From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Jul 23 18:44:06 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 18:44:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3 Synthesizer & Board Stiffener In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <783D1DA6-4BDD-458F-ACA4-9884BF007814@widomaker.com> You're a bit late. So far, after a year there hasn't been a run on these nor any use other than dis-assembly practice for SMD components. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Larry P. Greenberg wrote: > > I recently upgraded the two synthesizers in my K3. I therefore have two original KSYN3 synthesizers and two unopened Synthesizer Board Stiffeners available. I don?t know what they are worth. If anyone wants them, please email me off list and we can agree on a price. My email address is wa9mag at ameritech dot net. > > Larry, WA9MAG?' > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From btippett at alum.mit.edu Sat Jul 23 20:00:35 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:00:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469318435596-7620616.post@n2.nabble.com> Tony Estep wrote > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV < > btippett at .mit > > wrote: > > Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after > Bill. > He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but > I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade. > Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice > call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did > it, but I can't remember who it was. Hi Tony. Sorry my linked story didn't mention that you received DXCC because at the time I wrote that article I didn't see it in late 50s QSTs. After checking later QSTs, there were actually 4 that made it: Call QST Total KN4RID Nov 58 102 KN4RID Oct 59 114 (an endorsement) KN1IVT May 60 100 KN0LTB Aug 67 102 WN8TND Sep 67 105 For Mark, another restriction was that we were limited to 21.100 and above, but many DX stations lower in the band would respond if you answered their CQs. My guess is this was because many were using military surplus RXs which did not have great resolution, so they sometimes answered even if you were way off their TX frequency. Those days were the golden years of DXing IMHO...no spotting, no lists, no mega-expeditions and the key to success was lots and lots of tuning the bands and listening. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Solar-Cycle-tp7620505p7620616.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From g3pqa at onetel.com Sat Jul 23 21:09:49 2016 From: g3pqa at onetel.com (g3pqa at onetel.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 02:09:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <5792477A.1030508@comcast.net> Message-ID: Guys, I've run into something on 80M trying to use the internal antenna tuner. It fails to tune to a low SWR. Brian K3KOI had a similar problem but never quite got to the bottom of it because partly intermittent, possibly multiple faults. In the end to fix it:- a) I rewound one of the swr sensor toroids (centre wire had possibly arced to ferrite because I disconnected antenna by mistake and tuned), and b) fixed a new earthing wire between KAT3 chassis and SO259 Ant1 socket body. (possible poor earth connection via KAT3 securing pillar to side panel) John G3PQA From vk3byd at bigpond.com Sat Jul 23 23:22:37 2016 From: vk3byd at bigpond.com (Warren_vk3byd) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:22:37 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Feature request OFS / DISPlay Message-ID: <000801d1e55a$a3d30cf0$eb7926d0$@bigpond.com> Using the OFS mode for Course tuning and the Main VFO knob for Fine tuning is great but this is at the expense of the DISPlay function. It would be great to leave the VFO B display set as DISPlay but still have the option to Course tune via the VFO B Knob, rather than changing the tuning rate of the Main VFO knob between course and fine when DISPlay is on. This would be similar to how the TEXT DECODE mode works, and would allow the operator to leave the DISPlay on Voltage, Clock or whatever they wanted and still have course tuning. Implementation could be via a new option in the Menu setup, VFO B display [VFO B or DISP] when in OFS Mode. Or maybe When OFS On, Display [VFO B, Voltage, Time, Ah etc..] 73, Warren vk3byd #479 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Jul 23 23:51:12 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Actually, I sort of did. "I had my BC342 and a Millen transmitter and a couple of 40-meter crystals." I still have the BC342. On 7/23/2016 2:13 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: > So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to > the final, crystal controlled. (At least that is what I remember in > the mid 60's.) > > Mark AD5SS > From n7xy at n7xy.net Sat Jul 23 23:58:46 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:58:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle In-Reply-To: References: <603B2D2D45BC49628DECC1C2BE508191@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <61AB38F0-04FC-4EF9-BEF2-9BB592AB4D96@socal.rr.com> <8e189aa4-5a3a-ca1c-91c8-8a00a6c2e8b6@embarqmail.com> <5792564A.1030101@ve3syb.ca> <979914FC-A030-46DF-8F67-683297A9EE43@gmail.com> <1469236974497-7620582.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Also limited to a narrow portion of the bands, not where the DX normally hung out. I was a Novice in 1952-53, at the bottom of a cycle. In fact, at the peak of each cycle since then I have not been on the air (timing is everything) or was putting up with a stealth antenna system. Still, I have been close enough to experience some reasonably good propagation. Bob, N7XY On 7/23/16 2:14 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: > ... and a _one_ year license! > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: >> So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to >> the final, crystal controlled. (At least that is what I remember in >> the mid 60's.) >> >> Mark AD5SS >> >> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: >>> >>>> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots = >>>> 355). >>>> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC: >>>> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html >>>> >>> ============ >>> Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill. >>> He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but >>> I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade. >>> Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice >>> call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did >>> it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24 >>> hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was >>> hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls >>> ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled >>> to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns, >>> aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels >>> of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15 >>> phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning >>> back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly >>> coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the >>> Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The >>> older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities, >>> plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another >>> pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket. >>> >>> 73, >>> Tony KT0NY >>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to plcmark at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From w7aqk at cox.net Sun Jul 24 01:24:43 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:24:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle Message-ID: <174ADF8228BD420D8E8A964AF08B7F90@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Hi All, The info I got from Space Weather today indicated that there were strong solar flares occurring, and radio blackouts were predicted. I believe it! Yesterday I put up a "not so great" antenna to tinker with, hooked up my KX3 (I'm traveling), and tried to snag a contact. Even with this antenna, and running QRP, I rarely get skunked, but I did today! Interestingly, I could hear W1AW, and a couple of 6's not all that far away, but otherwise, zilch! The nostalgia about the late 50's is still something I well remember. My rig only put out about 30 watts, and the antenna was a simple base loaded vertical, but I worked all sorts of DX back then. My favorite hangout was the top 50 khz of 20 meters, which back then was CW only. I had numerous QSO's with HZ1AB up there (I was living in Albuquerque), and I don't think I've worked Saudi Arabia since! I wasn't a 6 meter op back then, but it must have been good! One day I flipped channels on our TV and suddenly I was watching a crystal clear picture from KSTP in Minneapolis! It wasn't just a short event either, as I watched it for over an hour. Maybe this sort of thing still happens now and then, but since most of us are hooked up to cable TV, we don't know! Dave W7AQK From ai6ii at comcast.net Sun Jul 24 08:29:55 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 05:29:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144NHz xvrtr - no output Message-ID: <1469363395172-7620622.post@n2.nabble.com> I am stumped. I finally got around to installing a FM filter so I could work 2 meter FM. All went well and the K3 receives fine on 144. However I cannot detect output on FM (or any other mode) on 2 meters. The K3 shows RF out of 8 to 10 watts on the rig's meter, but there is no output registered on my external PWR meter running to a dummy load. I have changed coax jumpers and tested them and the PWR meter on my IC-2300H at low power and everything works. On the air I can hear FM signals (both from the local repeater and my handheld working simplex in the shack), but I cannot trip the repeater or even detect a signal on my handheld when I key the K3. I have gone through the menu setup and everything looks like it is correct (I am not in test mode and I am not inhibiting transmit.) What am I missing? Help would be greatly appreciated. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-internal-144NHz-xvrtr-no-output-tp7620622.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ai6ii at comcast.net Sun Jul 24 09:25:58 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 06:25:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144MHz xvrtr - no output In-Reply-To: <1469363395172-7620622.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469363395172-7620622.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469366758939-7620623.post@n2.nabble.com> Apparently it is an intermittent problem. Originally receive seemed to work fine, but not now. And then just now I was able to pick up a transmission from the K3 on my handheld, working just as it was supposed to. But then it didn't work anymore. I will need move the K3 to my bench (I do hate unplugging all the cables in back!), pop the top on the K3 and run through the diagnostics on the xvrtr. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-internal-144NHz-xvrtr-no-output-tp7620622p7620623.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 10:28:34 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 10:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144MHz xvrtr - no output In-Reply-To: <1469366758939-7620623.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469363395172-7620622.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469366758939-7620623.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <855C863D-6D4C-4DBB-9583-FAA44E64AA99@gmail.com> An idle thought. Are you sure the cables are all seated properly into the xvrtr? It is not difficult to think you have the TMP cables seated only to find that all you've done is force the center contact in the jack backwards ... so that it becomes intermittent or open. Easy to spot and fix ... the little plastic surround for the center contact will be pushed backwards at a funky angle. I learned to always leave the cover off the xvrtr when attaching cables. A couple of them (don't recall which ones specifically) are prone to this problem. Don't ask me how I know this ;) Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:25 AM, mike wrote: > > Apparently it is an intermittent problem. Originally receive seemed to work > fine, but not now. And then just now I was able to pick up a transmission > from the K3 on my handheld, working just as it was supposed to. But then it > didn't work anymore. > > I will need move the K3 to my bench (I do hate unplugging all the cables in > back!), pop the top on the K3 and run through the diagnostics on the xvrtr. > 73 ..mike AI6II > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-internal-144NHz-xvrtr-no-output-tp7620622p7620623.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From kc6cnn at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 11:09:00 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:09:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for sale In-Reply-To: <1469232172057-7620581.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469232172057-7620581.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469372940487-7620625.post@n2.nabble.com> Radio sold pending funds. Thank you Gerald - KC6CNN ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-for-sale-tp7620581p7620625.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevinr at coho.net Sun Jul 24 11:40:55 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <9535cb26-eb7e-5475-ca40-c63ec1f49b33@coho.net> Good Morning, The sunspots we've had for the last week or so are passing over the limb of the sun and the SFU is dropping. However, the sun did send a double blast in our direction. It may, or may not, hit a glancing blow Tuesday; but at least the sun is semi-active. Hopefully this will allow us to eke out a few contacts this week. The weather is supposed to change but that's been in the forecast all month. It is still chilly but the clouds are going away. Maybe summer will start one of these days. Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 24 12:34:59 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 09:34:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144MHz xvrtr - no output In-Reply-To: <1469366758939-7620623.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469363395172-7620622.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469366758939-7620623.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001501d1e5c9$52418d70$f6c4a850$@biz> How about other modes (CW or SSB)? Do they work on 2M, if so it's a crystal filter configuration issue. Easy to check: see if you can transmit FM on another band such as 10 or 6 meters. If it's dead in all modes, or especially if it is intermittent, check to be sure the antenna cable is properly inserted in the TMP connector at the K144XV module. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 6:26 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144MHz xvrtr - no output Apparently it is an intermittent problem. Originally receive seemed to work fine, but not now. And then just now I was able to pick up a transmission from the K3 on my handheld, working just as it was supposed to. But then it didn't work anymore. I will need move the K3 to my bench (I do hate unplugging all the cables in back!), pop the top on the K3 and run through the diagnostics on the xvrtr. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-internal-144NHz-xvrtr-no-output-tp76 20622p7620623.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Sun Jul 24 13:05:33 2016 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:05:33 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Interference In-Reply-To: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469299429400-7620602.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <03C5BA3CBDDB40029154D4A6F2BFE5D2@Paramount> A bit late with this one (ill health) but I had a horrible teaser with a switcher. I was using a wall wart to power an MFJ Intellituner. It seemed OK at first and I didn't detect any RFI on any band from it, but after a short while I was getting a 10-20KHz wide spurious on 40 metres, and the center frequency moved around from time to time and always seemed to cover the part of the band that I wanted to use! I finally traced it back to the tuner, which every time it tuned to a different band segment, used a different internal relay array, which very slightly varied the load on the wall wart. This in turn caused it to change its frequency. Needless to say, the wall wart was replaced. Interference can indeed be strange. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Terry Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 7:43 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange Interference Thanks to all for the advice. I found the issue. It is my Powerwerx SS30DV Switching supply. I thought this supply was a good one to not create problems like I am having. Not sure if it is fixable or If I need to send it in for repair. Very 73, Terry N7TB From haarsager at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 14:38:47 2016 From: haarsager at gmail.com (Dennis L. Haarsager) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 accessory installation Message-ID: I have a KX3, s/n 520, for which I purchased the KXBC3 battery charger/clock and the KXFL3 roofing filter about four years ago. It was a busy period and they got set aside. However, they just turned up in unpacking from a recent move from Virginia to Maine. In the intervening few years, I've discovered that dexterity loss from arthritis is making a number things involving small parts (or pills) more difficult for me, so I'm thinking that to be safe I should ask someone else to take this on. Bottom line: Is there anyone out there, especially someone with experience in calibrating the roofing filter installation, who I could pay to do the installation of these items? I could send along my XG3 if that is needed. Please reply off-list. This KX3 has the antenna tuner installed but not the 2M option board. Thanks and 73, Dennis Haarsager, N7DH/1 -- Mail: PO Box 192, Kittery Point, ME 03905-0192 Delivery: 598 Haley Rd, Kittery Point, ME 03905-5628 +1 207-703-2472 (home) | +1 202-431-1556 (mobile) | +1 866-587-3403 (fax) From jermo at carolinaheli.com Sun Jul 24 15:39:50 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 15:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure Message-ID: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> Further testing has proven to be interesting. Final assessment. 1 USB hub damaged All other gear is fully functional. It's more likely that the hub failed at an earlier date and was only discovered on me testing post storm. This is the most logical as everything has been disconnected for weeks due to inactivity. Jer -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:34 PM To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: [K3S] Test Procedure Does anyone have a full functional test procedure to verify my K3S is fully operational? I had a local lightning strike came in through ground that apparently damaged a USB hub, Raspberry PI, Keyboard, Mouse... I suspect the K3s may be damaged as well (especially the USB). I'm looking for a full test process so I can find all of the damage first time around rather than hunt/peck. The K3S powers and appears to rx/tx, Thanks in advance Jerry Moore, AE4PB From cautery at montac.com Sun Jul 24 16:16:49 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 15:16:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure In-Reply-To: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <228399c6-eeb7-0901-66e0-54ccb7d141e7@montac.com> Glad that's all that was toasted, Jerry! Did I miss where the "complete test procedure" was posted? That's a diag tree I'd like ot have. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/24/2016 2:39 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: > Further testing has proven to be interesting. > Final assessment. > 1 USB hub damaged > > All other gear is fully functional. It's more likely that the hub failed at > an earlier date and was only discovered on me testing post storm. This is > the most logical as everything has been disconnected for weeks due to > inactivity. > Jer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:34 PM > To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' > Subject: [K3S] Test Procedure > > > > Does anyone have a full functional test procedure to verify my K3S is fully > operational? > > I had a local lightning strike came in through ground that apparently > damaged a USB hub, Raspberry PI, Keyboard, Mouse... I suspect the K3s may be > damaged as well (especially the USB). > I'm looking for a full test process so I can find all of the damage first > time around rather than hunt/peck. > > The K3S powers and appears to rx/tx, > Thanks in advance > Jerry Moore, AE4PB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From k2cm.george at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 16:39:26 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 16:39:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Can a KX3 be configured to work like a K0 or K0 mini? Message-ID: Wondering if I can use my KX3 for remote operation? George K2CM Sent from my iPad From jermo at carolinaheli.com Sun Jul 24 18:10:13 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:10:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure In-Reply-To: <228399c6-eeb7-0901-66e0-54ccb7d141e7@montac.com> References: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> <228399c6-eeb7-0901-66e0-54ccb7d141e7@montac.com> Message-ID: Not yet received to date Sent from my iPad > On Jul 24, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Glad that's all that was toasted, Jerry! > > Did I miss where the "complete test procedure" was posted? That's a > diag tree I'd like ot have. > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 7/24/2016 2:39 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> Further testing has proven to be interesting. >> Final assessment. >> 1 USB hub damaged >> >> All other gear is fully functional. It's more likely that the hub failed at >> an earlier date and was only discovered on me testing post storm. This is >> the most logical as everything has been disconnected for weeks due to >> inactivity. >> Jer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:34 PM >> To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' >> Subject: [K3S] Test Procedure >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a full functional test procedure to verify my K3S is fully >> operational? >> >> I had a local lightning strike came in through ground that apparently >> damaged a USB hub, Raspberry PI, Keyboard, Mouse... I suspect the K3s may be >> damaged as well (especially the USB). >> I'm looking for a full test process so I can find all of the damage first >> time around rather than hunt/peck. >> >> The K3S powers and appears to rx/tx, >> Thanks in advance >> Jerry Moore, AE4PB >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ai6ii at comcast.net Sun Jul 24 19:30:01 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 16:30:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144MHz xvrtr - no output Message-ID: <009101d1e603$4cb73320$e6259960$@comcast.net> Thanks for the suggestions Ron. There is no registered output for cw or ssb on 2 meters. There is good output on FM on 10 meters, so the filter is not the problem. I will pop the top and check the TMP'. Hopefully that is where the issue lies. 73 ..mike AI6II From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 24 19:38:14 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 23:38:14 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure In-Reply-To: References: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> <228399c6-eeb7-0901-66e0-54ccb7d141e7@montac.com> Message-ID: <027301d1e604$732160c0$59642240$@sbcglobal.net> You probably won't. The K3 or K3S is put in a test fixture and run for 24 hours before being shipped after assembly, repair and/or upgrades. I just talked to Elecraft in the last week about one of my K3s I had in for upgrades and was told it would ship a day after being put in a test fixture and going through a 24 hour burn in. I take that to mean there is some sort of computer/microprocessor automation that runs various tests on the K3 over a 24 hour period. So there is probably no complete overall K3 test we as users can perform other than what is in the K3 utility and/or specific tests for a specific problem as directed to users by Elecraft support. There may be someone (support, Wayne or Eric) who knows more than I that can confirm or deny my assumption. Even if we as users had such a procedure, how many users would have the test equipment necessary to perform such tests? Plus running the risk that the user(s) could mess up the works. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 10:10 PM To: Clay Autery Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure Not yet received to date Sent from my iPad > On Jul 24, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Glad that's all that was toasted, Jerry! > > Did I miss where the "complete test procedure" was posted? That's a > diag tree I'd like ot have. > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 7/24/2016 2:39 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> Further testing has proven to be interesting. >> Final assessment. >> 1 USB hub damaged >> >> All other gear is fully functional. It's more likely that the hub >> failed at an earlier date and was only discovered on me testing post >> storm. This is the most logical as everything has been disconnected >> for weeks due to inactivity. >> Jer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:34 PM >> To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' >> Subject: [K3S] Test Procedure >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a full functional test procedure to verify my K3S is >> fully operational? >> >> I had a local lightning strike came in through ground that apparently >> damaged a USB hub, Raspberry PI, Keyboard, Mouse... I suspect the K3s >> may be damaged as well (especially the USB). >> I'm looking for a full test process so I can find all of the damage >> first time around rather than hunt/peck. >> >> The K3S powers and appears to rx/tx, >> Thanks in advance >> Jerry Moore, AE4PB >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jermo at carolinaheli.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From jermo at carolinaheli.com Sun Jul 24 20:01:36 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure In-Reply-To: <027301d1e604$732160c0$59642240$@sbcglobal.net> References: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> <228399c6-eeb7-0901-66e0-54ccb7d141e7@montac.com> <027301d1e604$732160c0$59642240$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <001f01d1e607$b793eea0$26bbcbe0$@carolinaheli.com> The lack of a full functional test is more likely due to it not being profitable AND being overkill. Generally if it works then it just works. I'm still thinking it through, however, the process doesn't require complex test gear as it's a functional testing of all features/modules of the radio. The build/calibration process is a bare bones, single band/mode setup. I'll run back through the manuals and if I don't find something then I'll create one. The objective is to give a quantitative value for the current operation go/no-go that can be recorded and used to detect when system degradation has occurred. Jer -----Original Message----- From: Mark E. Musick [mailto:markmusick at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:38 PM To: 'Jerry'; 'Clay Autery' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure You probably won't. The K3 or K3S is put in a test fixture and run for 24 hours before being shipped after assembly, repair and/or upgrades. I just talked to Elecraft in the last week about one of my K3s I had in for upgrades and was told it would ship a day after being put in a test fixture and going through a 24 hour burn in. I take that to mean there is some sort of computer/microprocessor automation that runs various tests on the K3 over a 24 hour period. So there is probably no complete overall K3 test we as users can perform other than what is in the K3 utility and/or specific tests for a specific problem as directed to users by Elecraft support. There may be someone (support, Wayne or Eric) who knows more than I that can confirm or deny my assumption. Even if we as users had such a procedure, how many users would have the test equipment necessary to perform such tests? Plus running the risk that the user(s) could mess up the works. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 10:10 PM To: Clay Autery Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure Not yet received to date Sent from my iPad > On Jul 24, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Glad that's all that was toasted, Jerry! > > Did I miss where the "complete test procedure" was posted? That's a > diag tree I'd like ot have. > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 7/24/2016 2:39 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> Further testing has proven to be interesting. >> Final assessment. >> 1 USB hub damaged >> >> All other gear is fully functional. It's more likely that the hub >> failed at an earlier date and was only discovered on me testing post >> storm. This is the most logical as everything has been disconnected >> for weeks due to inactivity. >> Jer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:34 PM >> To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' >> Subject: [K3S] Test Procedure >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a full functional test procedure to verify my K3S is >> fully operational? >> >> I had a local lightning strike came in through ground that apparently >> damaged a USB hub, Raspberry PI, Keyboard, Mouse... I suspect the K3s >> may be damaged as well (especially the USB). >> I'm looking for a full test process so I can find all of the damage >> first time around rather than hunt/peck. >> >> The K3S powers and appears to rx/tx, >> Thanks in advance >> Jerry Moore, AE4PB >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jermo at carolinaheli.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From ar at dseven.org Sun Jul 24 20:55:17 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 17:55:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Can a KX3 be configured to work like a K0 or K0 mini? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:39 PM, george allen wrote: > Wondering if I can use my KX3 for remote operation? AFAIK this is still valid... https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/msg145357.html 73, ~iain / N6ML From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 21:25:16 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:25:16 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Can a KX3 be configured to work like a K0 or K0 mini? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Uhmm That is a feature I was looking into before evaluating a decision to get a K3 or not. However this seems inadequate, I was hoping for a REMOTE feature aka: I am in a seperate room controlling the K3 with the KX3 Even if that required two computers, which I can wire up via the LAN. Regards On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:55 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:39 PM, george allen > wrote: > > Wondering if I can use my KX3 for remote operation? > > AFAIK this is still valid... > > https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/msg145357.html > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com > From vwracer23 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 21:28:09 2016 From: vwracer23 at gmail.com (Kurt Cramer) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:28:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Propagation Message-ID: Today was the most difficult Elacraft SSB net I have ever seen. Two nets were running at the same time.. One on the East coast, the other on the west coast! They couldn?t hear each other. About half past the hour I started hearing Eric in Chicago here in Arizona. I guess there were a couple of solar flares. 73 Kurt W7QHD From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Jul 24 21:35:35 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:35:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Propagation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There have been a string of M-class flares for the last 30 hours or so. Initial ones were in the M.8-M.9 range, recent ones somewhat smaller. A was 8, Kp was 3 earlier this afternoon which wouldn't normally suggest terrible conditions, but I guess if the ionization is already very weak, any disturbance can have a large effect. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 7/24/2016 6:28 PM, Kurt Cramer wrote: > Today was the most difficult Elacraft SSB net I have ever seen. Two > nets were running at the same time.. One on the East coast, the other > on the west coast! They couldn?t hear each other. About half past the > hour I started hearing Eric in Chicago here in Arizona. I guess there > were a couple of solar flares. > > 73 Kurt W7QHD From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 24 21:37:53 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:37:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure In-Reply-To: <027301d1e604$732160c0$59642240$@sbcglobal.net> References: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> <228399c6-eeb7-0901-66e0-54ccb7d141e7@montac.com> <027301d1e604$732160c0$59642240$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <7d0745de-03b3-e706-c724-beabb248c6fd@embarqmail.com> Mark, I think you are correct, no "standard" test procedure is possible because it would not account for all installed options, filter assignments, and other configurable aspects of the K3/K3S. I would however suggest that one could use a procedure similar to what I use for a K2. It is best if you have a dummy load and can observe the TX waveforms on an oscilloscope connected across that dummy load with a 10X probe. How well you can do the tests will depend on the equipment you have available. Testing into an antenna can produce ambiguous results - use a dummy load even if you have to borrow one. An external wattmeter with trusted calibration is also useful. Proposed procedure --- 1) Go through all the calibration items listed in the manual. 2) Check the status of each option installed and do a functional check to assure that each of those options is working. 3) Check the computer connection capability - does it connect with K3 Uility? 4) Check the filter assignments using K3 Utility. 5) Check the CW output waveform on the 'scope. 6) Check the SSB output waveform. Does it change with Mic Gain and Compression. 7) Check data mode operation if you had been set up for that capability. 8) Check FM capability if your K3 is equipped with the 13kHz filter. 9) Check AM capability if your K3 has the 6kHz or 13kHz filter. 10) if you have the KAT3, check that it tunes properly into a dummy load on all bands. 10a) if you have 2 50 ohm dummy loads, connect them in parallel and assure that the KAT3 will tune into the resultant 25 ohm dummy load. 11) Check receive function on all bands. A signal generator like the XG3 is a big help with this evaluation. Check at low signal levels. 12) Check the KRX3 receive in the same manner as the main reciever. Note, you can best observe the RX characteristics using an audio spectrum analyzer (Spectrogram or Spectrum Lab or others) running on your computer - feed the headphone output (or rear panel phones or speaker) to the soundcard input. The main RX is the left channel and the KRX3 is the right channel. If you do not have an audio spectrum analyzer, you can download a good copy of Spectrogram from my website www.w3fpr.com - look near the bottom of the opening page for links to a copy internal to my website (it has been scrubbed by several anti-virus programs and has come up clean - contrary to several copies of Spectrogram found 'in the wild' on the internet). 73, Don W3FPR On 7/24/2016 7:38 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > You probably won't. > The K3 or K3S is put in a test fixture and run for 24 hours before being > shipped after assembly, repair and/or upgrades. > I just talked to Elecraft in the last week about one of my K3s I had in for > upgrades and was told it would ship a day after being put in a test fixture > and going through a 24 hour burn in. > I take that to mean there is some sort of computer/microprocessor automation > that runs various tests on the K3 over a 24 hour period. > So there is probably no complete overall K3 test we as users can perform > other than what is in the K3 utility and/or specific tests for a specific > problem as directed to users by Elecraft support. > There may be someone (support, Wayne or Eric) who knows more than I that can > confirm or deny my assumption. > Even if we as users had such a procedure, how many users would have the test > equipment necessary to perform such tests? Plus running the risk that the > user(s) could mess up the works. > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Jul 24 21:41:23 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Propagation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5812966b-e21a-bbc9-5c2f-9a31b9d797f5@coho.net> Just completed the second Elecraft CW Net. 40 meters was good from here to ND as well as into ID & CA. Twenty meters was pretty long but I did get one CA op as well as TX, ND, GA, & MI. Both bands had QSB while forty also had some noise which rose as the net went on. Scanning around there were quite a few signals to be found on each band. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS ECN net control On 7/24/2016 6:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > There have been a string of M-class flares for the last 30 hours or > so. Initial ones were in the M.8-M.9 range, recent ones somewhat > smaller. A was 8, Kp was 3 earlier this afternoon which wouldn't > normally suggest terrible conditions, but I guess if the ionization is > already very weak, any disturbance can have a large effect. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > On 7/24/2016 6:28 PM, Kurt Cramer wrote: >> Today was the most difficult Elacraft SSB net I have ever seen. Two >> nets were running at the same time.. One on the East coast, the other >> on the west coast! They couldn?t hear each other. About half past the >> hour I started hearing Eric in Chicago here in Arizona. I guess there >> were a couple of solar flares. >> >> 73 Kurt W7QHD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 24 22:17:23 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:17:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Can a KX3 be configured to work like a K0 or K0 mini? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03740814-6da0-b7b9-760e-23f318957b0a@embarqmail.com> Enzio, See page 28 of the KX3 manual. If you must go "wireless", then some sort of computer at each location will be required. But if you can go wired, then a 'null-modem' cable is all that is necessary. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/24/2016 9:25 PM, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > Uhmm > > That is a feature I was looking into before evaluating a decision to get a > K3 or not. > However this seems inadequate, I was hoping for a REMOTE feature aka: I am > in a seperate room controlling the K3 with the KX3 > Even if that required two computers, which I can wire up via the LAN. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 24 22:35:01 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:35:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> John, Yes, the "earthing" connection to the SO-239 jacks is important. That connection is provided by the mechanical connection to the standoff between the right side panel and the KAT3. The assembly manual instructions will provide adequate connection - first insert the side panel screw through the 2-D connector and then tighten the standoff to the 2D connector, and lastly, put the screw and lockwasher into the standoff. The problem is that *if* that long screw in the upper rear corner of the right side panel is removed for any reason, it cannot be tightened properly without going through the entire procedure - tighten the 2D connector, then tighten the standoff and finally tighten the screw into the standoff. If one tries to remove that screw from the right side panel, it is impossible to re-tighten everything without going through the entire process in order. The threads of the 2D connector cannot be properly tightened to the threads of the standoff. A shortcut is to drill out the screw threads on that 2D connector allowing the screw to pass through the 2D connector without threads. That will permit the screw threads to pass through the 2D connector and be tightened onto the standoff. I recommend that anyone removing the right side panel from their K3/K3S to drill out the threads in this hole of the 2D connector so it can be assembled tightly without going through the entire procedure of first tightening the 2D connector, then the standoff and finally the screw and lockwasher. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/23/2016 9:09 PM, g3pqa at onetel.com wrote: > Guys, > I've run into something on 80M trying to use the internal antenna tuner. > It fails to tune to a low SWR. Brian K3KOI had a similar problem but never quite got to the bottom of it because partly intermittent, possibly multiple faults. > In the end to fix it:- > a) I rewound one of the swr sensor toroids (centre wire had possibly arced to ferrite because I disconnected antenna by mistake and tuned), and > b) fixed a new earthing wire between KAT3 chassis and SO259 Ant1 socket body. (possible poor earth connection via KAT3 securing pillar to side panel) > John G3PQA > From tim at sy-edm.com Sun Jul 24 22:50:10 2016 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:50:10 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Can a KX3 be configured to work like a K0 or K0 mini? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No need to great expense here - look at a set of the new Raspberry Pi. With a case <$40 each. Plenty of CPU power in them - plus Cat 5 & Wifi as and 4 usb ports. If you have a microUSB power supply then a decent SDcard (level 10) and you are all set. 73 Tim / A45WG > On 25 Jul 2016, at 05:25, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > > Uhmm > > That is a feature I was looking into before evaluating a decision to get a > K3 or not. > However this seems inadequate, I was hoping for a REMOTE feature aka: I am > in a seperate room controlling the K3 with the KX3 > Even if that required two computers, which I can wire up via the LAN. > > Regards > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:55 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML > > wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:39 PM, george allen >> wrote: >>> Wondering if I can use my KX3 for remote operation? >> >> AFAIK this is still valid... >> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/msg145357.html >> >> 73, >> >> ~iain / N6ML >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From sjl219 at optonline.net Sun Jul 24 22:54:02 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Propagation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> Well, science provides predictions and suggests outcomes but I'm still a hopeless romantic who tunes the bands in spite of the numbers. ?Tonight I found a completely dead 20M band at 0220Z except for a single CW QSO in progress between WB6UIA (QRZ says Wyoming) and XE2HOE in Baja California (La Paz). ?When they were finished, I gave XE2HOE a call and got a 579. ?He was a steady S9 and the guy in Wyoming was S6. I live in NY, my antenna is a 67' doublet in my attic and my rig is a KX2 and it was running at 5 watts (I'm 100% CW and QRP).? Afterward, I tuned the band again but heard nothing. ?Guess everyone read the prop stats and turned off their radios.... 73, Stan WB2LQF On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 09:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > There have been a string of M-class flares for the last 30 hours or > so. Initial ones were in the M.8-M.9 range, recent ones somewhat > smaller. A was 8, Kp was 3 earlier this afternoon which wouldn't > normally suggest terrible conditions, but I guess if the ionization is > already very weak, any disturbance can have a large effect. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW> - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > On 7/24/2016 6:28 PM, Kurt Cramer wrote: >> Today was the most difficult Elacraft SSB net I have ever seen. Two >> nets were running at the same time.. One on the East coast, the other >> on the west coast! They couldn?t hear each other. About half past the >> hour I started hearing Eric in Chicago here in Arizona. I guess there >> were a couple of solar flares. >> >> 73 Kurt W7QHD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > From alsopb at comcast.net Mon Jul 25 09:30:15 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:30:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> References: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> Hi Don, Further insight needed. John and I have looked into the 80M tuner strangeness problem further. We both have qualitatively seen the same thing. It is related to trying to tune Z's that are on the order of 25-30 ohms on 160M/80M. John already addressed the grounding issue in his K3. The original problem raised was trying to tune a vertical antenna on 80M which had a measured R=30 ohms and XL =18 ohms. The tuner only slightly reduced the SWR. Repeated presses of ATU Tune did not improve things. A calculation of the L network component values needed to match this load shows L/C values well within the range that the KAT could switch in. I then tried matching a 25 ohm pure resistive load-- two 50 ohm dummy loads in parallel. One would think this kind of load could easily be matched. Not so. It would match only on the upper end of 80M and not at all on 160M. The tuner did not reduce the 2:1 SWR at all on 160M and only brought it down a few tenths on the low end of 80. It is interesting to note that the high end of 80 match used L/C values greater than needed in the vertical antenna to match it. John tried other resistive and combined resistive/reactive loads. Here are his results. Freq Load value measured SWR on K3 SWR on K3 after KAT3 tune 1.836 23.5 (via 1 m. RG213) 1.6 1.6 1.836 32+j28 2.5 1.0 3.522 23.5 1.6 1.3 3.522 56+j55 3.0 1.0 7.006 23.5 1.5 1.0 7.006 132-j76 4.0 1.0 10.100 23.5 1.3 1.0 10.100 30-j48 4.0 1.0 So we have two different K3's having the same qualitative matching problem with lower Z loads on 80/160. Of course it is possible that both KAT tuners have other component failures. It would be interesting if others would try the two paralleled dummy load experiment. Elecraft suggested shorting out the 8.215 MHz trap in series with the ATU/output. They say the trap has been removed in later KAT versions. The trap consists of parallel 96 nH and 3900 pf components. It is not clear that would fix this particular issue. It undoubtedly was a fix for other issues. Looking at the component values and parallel configuration: 1) Both shorted would be the Elecraft fix 2) Open C: Parallel inductor would shunt the RF around the failed cap. On 80/160 the added series reactance would be <2 ohms. 3) Open inductor: Parallel C would introduce a series reactance of less than an ohm. 4) Both open, the tuner would not match on any band. So we are left with a mystery. Why are lower Z (~25-30 ohm) loads so hard to match on 80/160? It would be instructive if others have luck matching the 25 ohm paralleled dummy load case on 80/160. Insight in where else to look would be welcomed. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/25/2016 2:35 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > Yes, the "earthing" connection to the SO-239 jacks is important. > That connection is provided by the mechanical connection to the standoff > between the right side panel and the KAT3. > The assembly manual instructions will provide adequate connection - > first insert the side panel screw through the 2-D connector and then > tighten the standoff to the 2D connector, and lastly, put the screw and > lockwasher into the standoff. > > The problem is that *if* that long screw in the upper rear corner of the > right side panel is removed for any reason, it cannot be tightened > properly without going through the entire procedure - tighten the 2D > connector, then tighten the standoff and finally tighten the screw into > the standoff. > > If one tries to remove that screw from the right side panel, it is > impossible to re-tighten everything without going through the entire > process in order. The threads of the 2D connector cannot be properly > tightened to the threads of the standoff. > > A shortcut is to drill out the screw threads on that 2D connector > allowing the screw to pass through the 2D connector without threads. > That will permit the screw threads to pass through the 2D connector and > be tightened onto the standoff. > > I recommend that anyone removing the right side panel from their K3/K3S > to drill out the threads in this hole of the 2D connector so it can be > assembled tightly without going through the entire procedure of first > tightening the 2D connector, then the standoff and finally the screw and > lockwasher. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/23/2016 9:09 PM, g3pqa at onetel.com wrote: >> Guys, >> I've run into something on 80M trying to use the internal antenna tuner. >> It fails to tune to a low SWR. Brian K3KOI had a similar problem but >> never quite got to the bottom of it because partly intermittent, >> possibly multiple faults. >> In the end to fix it:- >> a) I rewound one of the swr sensor toroids (centre wire had possibly >> arced to ferrite because I disconnected antenna by mistake and tuned), >> and >> b) fixed a new earthing wire between KAT3 chassis and SO259 Ant1 >> socket body. (possible poor earth connection via KAT3 securing pillar >> to side panel) >> John G3PQA >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 13:05:50 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:05:50 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Strange noise Message-ID: Has anyone experienced this: When I let the key up after sending a dash or two there is a "static crash" which seems to start AFTER or just as I stop sending. - It happens on various bands, but seems to happen more often on 30m or 20m. - It happens whether I am running my K3 barefoot or with a kW amp active. - It is intermittent. For example, this morning (6 am) it was bothering me on 30m. Now (8 pm) I can't make it happen. - On the P3 it looks like a series of horizontal lines extending across the display. Sometimes it is very short in duration, but sometimes it can go on for several seconds. You can imagine how annoying this is in a DX pileup. It is as if my RF is triggering an arc somewhere. Could a CFL lamp do this? -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 25 13:04:22 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:04:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Propagation In-Reply-To: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> Message-ID: <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> I don't "chase DX" but over the years have had a number of great, albeit short CW rag chews with various DX stations on a dead band. Usually the DX responds to my CQ, noting that they were surprised to hear me because the band seemed dead. So we chat for a few minutes. Unfortunately (depending upon your point of view) the various spotters would notice us, alert the 'net and soon there would be tuners on top of us so we'd QRT. As one DX station noted, "Sigh, here we go again..." and sure 'nuf pandemonium would erupt on the frequency with the DX station sending "UP 2 UP 2 UP 2..." while I set down my 'phones, refreshed my cup of tea and wrote him a thank you note on an old-fashioned paper QSL card. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of stan levandowski Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:54 PM To: k6dgw at foothill.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Propagation Well, science provides predictions and suggests outcomes but I'm still a hopeless romantic who tunes the bands in spite of the numbers. Tonight I found a completely dead 20M band at 0220Z except for a single CW QSO in progress between WB6UIA (QRZ says Wyoming) and XE2HOE in Baja California (La Paz). When they were finished, I gave XE2HOE a call and got a 579. He was a steady S9 and the guy in Wyoming was S6. I live in NY, my antenna is a 67' doublet in my attic and my rig is a KX2 and it was running at 5 watts (I'm 100% CW and QRP). Afterward, I tuned the band again but heard nothing. Guess everyone read the prop stats and turned off their radios.... 73, Stan WB2LQF On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 09:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > There have been a string of M-class flares for the last 30 hours or > so. Initial ones were in the M.8-M.9 range, recent ones somewhat > smaller. A was 8, Kp was 3 earlier this afternoon which wouldn't > normally suggest terrible conditions, but I guess if the ionization is > already very weak, any disturbance can have a large effect. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW> - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > On 7/24/2016 6:28 PM, Kurt Cramer wrote: >> Today was the most difficult Elacraft SSB net I have ever seen. Two >> nets were running at the same time.. One on the East coast, the other >> on the west coast! They couldn?t hear each other. About half past the >> hour I started hearing Eric in Chicago here in Arizona. I guess there >> were a couple of solar flares. >> >> 73 Kurt W7QHD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From jsissom at jsissom.com Mon Jul 25 13:06:06 2016 From: jsissom at jsissom.com (Jay Sissom) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:06:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings Message-ID: Is there any way to determine the settings that the antenna tuner determined were necessary for an antenna? I would like to be able to move my antenna around and determine which one is a better match for the frequency being used. It would be awesome to do this with just the radio instead of needing an external device. Thanks & 73 Jay W9IUF From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 25 13:16:56 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:16:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> References: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002b01d1e698$592c2da0$0b8488e0$@biz> FWIW, my K3 (not S) matches 25 ohms resistive (two 50 ohm loads in parallel as you described) on both the low end of 160 and 80. In both cases the matched conditions shows an SWR of 1.5:1. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 6:30 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness Hi Don, Further insight needed. John and I have looked into the 80M tuner strangeness problem further. We both have qualitatively seen the same thing. It is related to trying to tune Z's that are on the order of 25-30 ohms on 160M/80M. John already addressed the grounding issue in his K3. The original problem raised was trying to tune a vertical antenna on 80M which had a measured R=30 ohms and XL =18 ohms. The tuner only slightly reduced the SWR. Repeated presses of ATU Tune did not improve things. A calculation of the L network component values needed to match this load shows L/C values well within the range that the KAT could switch in. I then tried matching a 25 ohm pure resistive load-- two 50 ohm dummy loads in parallel. One would think this kind of load could easily be matched. Not so. It would match only on the upper end of 80M and not at all on 160M. The tuner did not reduce the 2:1 SWR at all on 160M and only brought it down a few tenths on the low end of 80. It is interesting to note that the high end of 80 match used L/C values greater than needed in the vertical antenna to match it. John tried other resistive and combined resistive/reactive loads. Here are his results. Freq Load value measured SWR on K3 SWR on K3 after KAT3 tune 1.836 23.5 (via 1 m. RG213) 1.6 1.6 1.836 32+j28 2.5 1.0 3.522 23.5 1.6 1.3 3.522 56+j55 3.0 1.0 7.006 23.5 1.5 1.0 7.006 132-j76 4.0 1.0 10.100 23.5 1.3 1.0 10.100 30-j48 4.0 1.0 So we have two different K3's having the same qualitative matching problem with lower Z loads on 80/160. Of course it is possible that both KAT tuners have other component failures. It would be interesting if others would try the two paralleled dummy load experiment. Elecraft suggested shorting out the 8.215 MHz trap in series with the ATU/output. They say the trap has been removed in later KAT versions. The trap consists of parallel 96 nH and 3900 pf components. It is not clear that would fix this particular issue. It undoubtedly was a fix for other issues. Looking at the component values and parallel configuration: 1) Both shorted would be the Elecraft fix 2) Open C: Parallel inductor would shunt the RF around the failed cap. On 80/160 the added series reactance would be <2 ohms. 3) Open inductor: Parallel C would introduce a series reactance of less than an ohm. 4) Both open, the tuner would not match on any band. So we are left with a mystery. Why are lower Z (~25-30 ohm) loads so hard to match on 80/160? It would be instructive if others have luck matching the 25 ohm paralleled dummy load case on 80/160. Insight in where else to look would be welcomed. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/25/2016 2:35 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > Yes, the "earthing" connection to the SO-239 jacks is important. > That connection is provided by the mechanical connection to the > standoff between the right side panel and the KAT3. > The assembly manual instructions will provide adequate connection - > first insert the side panel screw through the 2-D connector and then > tighten the standoff to the 2D connector, and lastly, put the screw > and lockwasher into the standoff. > > The problem is that *if* that long screw in the upper rear corner of > the right side panel is removed for any reason, it cannot be tightened > properly without going through the entire procedure - tighten the 2D > connector, then tighten the standoff and finally tighten the screw > into the standoff. > > If one tries to remove that screw from the right side panel, it is > impossible to re-tighten everything without going through the entire > process in order. The threads of the 2D connector cannot be properly > tightened to the threads of the standoff. > > A shortcut is to drill out the screw threads on that 2D connector > allowing the screw to pass through the 2D connector without threads. > That will permit the screw threads to pass through the 2D connector > and be tightened onto the standoff. > > I recommend that anyone removing the right side panel from their > K3/K3S to drill out the threads in this hole of the 2D connector so it > can be assembled tightly without going through the entire procedure of > first tightening the 2D connector, then the standoff and finally the > screw and lockwasher. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/23/2016 9:09 PM, g3pqa at onetel.com wrote: >> Guys, >> I've run into something on 80M trying to use the internal antenna tuner. >> It fails to tune to a low SWR. Brian K3KOI had a similar problem but >> never quite got to the bottom of it because partly intermittent, >> possibly multiple faults. >> In the end to fix it:- >> a) I rewound one of the swr sensor toroids (centre wire had possibly >> arced to ferrite because I disconnected antenna by mistake and >> tuned), and >> b) fixed a new earthing wire between KAT3 chassis and SO259 Ant1 >> socket body. (possible poor earth connection via KAT3 securing pillar >> to side panel) John G3PQA >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > alsopb at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 25 13:22:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99bdf008-7bff-48b1-702e-164060b2ab16@triconet.org> Your dummy load would always be the better match. So why select any other load? Now if you want to communicate, you should probably select the antenna that provides the best gain/lowest noise, etc and NOT worry so much about the match. On 7/25/2016 10:06 AM, Jay Sissom wrote: > Is there any way to determine the settings that the antenna tuner > determined were necessary for an antenna? I would like to be able to move > my antenna around and determine which one is a better match for the > frequency being used. It would be awesome to do this with just the radio > instead of needing an external device. > > Thanks & 73 > Jay > W9IUF From kk4svm at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 13:53:41 2016 From: kk4svm at gmail.com (Doug Lane) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:53:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Feature request OFS / DISPlay Message-ID: Warren- I believe that if you use the"rate" button to the left of the main tuning knob, on the bottom row that it does this function. At least, that was what I was doing before I realized the OFS knob does the same thing. I still have not read the entire manual, nor do I understand all of the functions, but at least on my KX2, that is what happens. And when I learned about the OFS knob (the cheat sheet floating around the email lists, is great) I wondered about the duplication of the feature. Both values change the amount I place in the menu for VFO CRS. Doug From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 13:54:33 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:54:33 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Strange noise - forgot to add In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27d1bc58-8af9-f936-9763-f91afc795d30@gmail.com> I should have added that sometimes what appears to be the same noise occurs when I am NOT transmitting. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 25 Jul 2016 20:05, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > Has anyone experienced this: > > When I let the key up after sending a dash or two there is a "static > crash" which seems to start AFTER or just as I stop sending. > > - It happens on various bands, but seems to happen more often on 30m or > 20m. > > - It happens whether I am running my K3 barefoot or with a kW amp active. > > - It is intermittent. For example, this morning (6 am) it was bothering > me on 30m. Now (8 pm) I can't make it happen. > > - On the P3 it looks like a series of horizontal lines extending across > the display. Sometimes it is very short in duration, but sometimes it > can go on for several seconds. You can imagine how annoying this is in a > DX pileup. > > It is as if my RF is triggering an arc somewhere. > > Could a CFL lamp do this? From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 25 13:59:57 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:59:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> References: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> Message-ID: There is something wrong with the unmatched SWR values you measured/posted. If your load is actually 23.5 +j0 then the beginning SWR is ~2.1:1, not the 1.6 you list. That's not to say that the tuner shouldn't do something with it but it does point to something amiss. Likewise the values you give for 4:1 are closer to 3.6:1 On 7/25/2016 6:30 AM, brian wrote: > Hi Don, > > Further insight needed. > > John and I have looked into the 80M tuner strangeness problem further. > We both have qualitatively seen the same thing. It is related to trying to > tune Z's that are on the order of 25-30 ohms on 160M/80M. > > John already addressed the grounding issue in his K3. > > The original problem raised was trying to tune a vertical antenna on 80M which > had a measured R=30 ohms and XL =18 ohms. The tuner only slightly reduced the > SWR. Repeated presses of ATU Tune did not improve things. > > A calculation of the L network component values needed to match this load > shows L/C values well within the range that the KAT could switch in. > > I then tried matching a 25 ohm pure resistive load-- two 50 ohm dummy loads in > parallel. One would think this kind of load could easily be matched. Not so. > It would match only on the upper end of 80M and not at all on 160M. The tuner > did not reduce the 2:1 SWR at all on 160M and only brought it down a few > tenths on the low end of 80. > > It is interesting to note that the high end of 80 match used L/C values > greater than needed in the vertical antenna to match it. > > John tried other resistive and combined resistive/reactive loads. Here are his > results. > > Freq Load value measured SWR on K3 SWR on K3 after KAT3 tune > 1.836 23.5 (via 1 m. RG213) 1.6 1.6 > 1.836 32+j28 2.5 1.0 > 3.522 23.5 1.6 1.3 > 3.522 56+j55 3.0 1.0 > 7.006 23.5 1.5 1.0 > 7.006 132-j76 4.0 1.0 > 10.100 23.5 1.3 1.0 > 10.100 30-j48 4.0 1.0 > > So we have two different K3's having the same qualitative matching problem > with lower Z loads on 80/160. > > Of course it is possible that both KAT tuners have other component failures. > > It would be interesting if others would try the two paralleled dummy load > experiment. > > Elecraft suggested shorting out the 8.215 MHz trap in series with the > ATU/output. They say the trap has been removed in later KAT versions. > The trap consists of parallel 96 nH and 3900 pf components. > > It is not clear that would fix this particular issue. It undoubtedly was a > fix for other issues. > > Looking at the component values and parallel configuration: > 1) Both shorted would be the Elecraft fix > 2) Open C: Parallel inductor would shunt the RF around the failed cap. On > 80/160 the added series reactance would be <2 ohms. > 3) Open inductor: Parallel C would introduce a series reactance of less than > an ohm. > 4) Both open, the tuner would not match on any band. > > So we are left with a mystery. > > Why are lower Z (~25-30 ohm) loads so hard to match on 80/160? > > It would be instructive if others have luck matching the 25 ohm paralleled > dummy load case on 80/160. > > Insight in where else to look would be welcomed. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO From huntinhmb at coastside.net Mon Jul 25 14:08:30 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:08:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> References: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Brian, Just a thought, but given the KAT3 uses discrete components for C and L, what you are seeing may be as close as you can get. If you have calculated the tuner parameters from the Z you are seeing at the antenna going into the tuner, compare those with the discrete combinations possible in the tuner. Find the closest ones and then work backwards to the SWR value. SimSmith Smith chart software is great for this. The KAT3 schematic is included in the K3 schematics .pdf file. I ran into a similar situation on 40 meters with an MFJ remote autotuner. Drove me nuts until I figured it out. Good luck! Brian, K0DTJ On 7/25/2016 06:30, brian wrote: > Further insight needed. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 25 14:11:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:11:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> References: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4d75041a-10c9-1f20-2024-49ef03b2182c@embarqmail.com> Brian, You might try going into the KAT3 menu and go through the L1-L8 and C1-C8 settings to hear the relays click with each selection. If all the relays are working, you should be able to do a check on the health of the inductors and capacitors using a method similar to that shown for the KAT100 in the right column of page 35 - manually select the inductors starting with L1 and see what the SWR is on a high band. With each other inductor, the SWR should increase. Change to a lower band if the SWR gets too high to indicate (highest is 9.9). Do the same for the capacitors. I have not tried this technique with the KAT3 (but it should work) - I have used it with the KAT100 and the KAT2. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/25/2016 9:30 AM, brian wrote: > Hi Don, > > Further insight needed. > > John and I have looked into the 80M tuner strangeness problem further. > We both have qualitatively seen the same thing. It is related to > trying to tune Z's that are on the order of 25-30 ohms on 160M/80M. > From sjl219 at optonline.net Mon Jul 25 14:34:30 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Propagation In-Reply-To: <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> Message-ID: <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> Ah, yes Ron -- Paper QSLs! ?On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." ?I still revere old fashioned QSL cards, with handwritten notes and some evidence that our QSO was something more than just "599 TU". ?Try showing your grandchildren a printout of your LoTW contacts and see how many oohs and aahs you get ;-) 73, Stan WB2LQF On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 01:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I don't "chase DX" but over the years have had a number of great, > albeit short CW rag chews with various DX stations on a dead band. > Usually the DX responds to my CQ, noting that they were surprised to > hear me because the band seemed dead. So we chat for a few minutes. > Unfortunately (depending upon your point of view) the various spotters > would notice us, alert the 'net and soon there would be tuners on top > of us so we'd QRT. As one DX station noted, "Sigh, here we go > again..." and sure 'nuf pandemonium would erupt on the frequency with > the DX station sending "UP 2 UP 2 UP 2..." while I set down my > 'phones, refreshed my cup of tea and wrote him a thank you note on an > old-fashioned paper QSL card. > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > stan levandowski > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:54 PM > To: k6dgw at foothill.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Propagation > > Well, science provides predictions and suggests outcomes but I'm still > a hopeless romantic who tunes the bands in spite of the numbers. > Tonight I found a completely dead 20M band at 0220Z except for a > single CW QSO in progress between WB6UIA (QRZ says Wyoming) and XE2HOE > in Baja California (La Paz). When they were finished, I gave XE2HOE a > call and got a 579. He was a steady S9 and the guy in Wyoming was S6. > > > I live in NY, my antenna is a 67' doublet in my attic and my rig is a > KX2 and it was running at 5 watts (I'm 100% CW and QRP). > > Afterward, I tuned the band again but heard nothing. Guess everyone > read the prop stats and turned off their radios.... > > > 73, Stan WB2LQF > > > > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 09:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >> There have been a string of M-class flares for the last 30 hours or >> so. Initial ones were in the M.8-M.9 range, recent ones somewhat >> smaller. A was 8, Kp was 3 earlier this afternoon which wouldn't >> normally suggest terrible conditions, but I guess if the ionization >> is already very weak, any disturbance can have a large effect. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 >> - www.cqp.org >> >> On 7/24/2016 6:28 PM, Kurt Cramer wrote: >>> Today was the most difficult Elacraft SSB net I have ever seen. Two >>> nets were running at the same time.. One on the East coast, the >>> other >>> on the west coast! They couldn?t hear each other. About half past >>> the >>> hour I started hearing Eric in Chicago here in Arizona. I guess >>> there >>> were a couple of solar flares. >>> >>> 73 Kurt W7QHD >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net From kevin at k4vd.net Mon Jul 25 14:37:28 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:37:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings In-Reply-To: <99bdf008-7bff-48b1-702e-164060b2ab16@triconet.org> References: <99bdf008-7bff-48b1-702e-164060b2ab16@triconet.org> Message-ID: ?I think SWR is not a good indication of which antenna is better. As Wes mentioned, a 50 ohm dummy load has a near perfect match and is about the worse possible antenna. A dipole fed with 600 ohm ladder line provides a terrible match before the BALUN (and sometimes after) but generally is a fine performer because of the low loss. The better antenna is the one that can hear the signal you are after better than the other you are testing against. And then only for that signal, in that direction, at that time of day, on that band and with that particular propagation mode in play. I think this is why you find some of the happiest hams are the ones that have enough land for enough antennas to switch between them as the need arises. Kev / K4VD From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 25 14:49:19 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:49:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> Message-ID: <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote: > On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, average $3.50 to/from other countries. LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 25 14:53:01 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:53:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings In-Reply-To: References: <99bdf008-7bff-48b1-702e-164060b2ab16@triconet.org> Message-ID: On Mon,7/25/2016 11:37 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > ?I think SWR is not a good indication of which antenna is better. As Wes > mentioned, a 50 ohm dummy load has a near perfect match and is about the > worse possible antenna. Absolutely right. > A dipole fed with 600 ohm ladder line provides a terrible match before the > BALUN (and sometimes after) but generally is a fine performer because of > the low loss. And sometimes that "low loss" is a fiction. > The better antenna is the one that can hear the signal you are after better > than the other you are testing against. And also that the other station hears you better. The difference is efficiency (loss) in the antenna system, which generally does not matter on RX, but does matter on transmit. > And then only for that signal, in > that direction, at that time of day, on that band and with that particular > propagation mode in play. Yep. > I think this is why you find some of the happiest hams are the ones that > have enough land for enough antennas to switch between them as the need > arises. Yep. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Jul 25 15:45:53 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:45:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Field antenna tip Message-ID: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Hi all, This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU (KXAT2) can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of lengths wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting or splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one of the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other bands (up through 10 m). 73, Wayne N6KR From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 16:07:15 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:07:15 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> I couldn't agree with Jim more! I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it. It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying to increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so much easier than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country who can do it, or mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that our troubled postal service will get them there and back. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 25 Jul 2016 21:49, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote: >> On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." > > That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a > confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we > were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost > of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 > round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, > average $3.50 to/from other countries. > > LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the > popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate > thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of > what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, > the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW. > > 73, Jim K9YC From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 16:16:59 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:16:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Strange noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could also be bad points on the RX side of relay in the RX path somewhere. 73, Guy K2AV. On Monday, July 25, 2016, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > Has anyone experienced this: > > When I let the key up after sending a dash or two there is a "static > crash" which seems to start AFTER or just as I stop sending. > > - It happens on various bands, but seems to happen more often on 30m or > 20m. > > - It happens whether I am running my K3 barefoot or with a kW amp active. > > - It is intermittent. For example, this morning (6 am) it was bothering me > on 30m. Now (8 pm) I can't make it happen. > > - On the P3 it looks like a series of horizontal lines extending across > the display. Sometimes it is very short in duration, but sometimes it can > go on for several seconds. You can imagine how annoying this is in a DX > pileup. > > It is as if my RF is triggering an arc somewhere. > > Could a CFL lamp do this? > -- > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Jul 25 16:39:31 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:39:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F30B568-2A9B-4DC5-BDF9-39E68923BC52@widomaker.com> I?m sorry, but I understood that Jay is looking to interrogate the ATU in the KX3 for the settings that the tuner made to match the antenna, And unfortunately this feature is only available on the K3(s) KAT3(A). i thought it was also available the KX3 ATU. maybe in a futeure FW release. ?bc nr4c > On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Jay Sissom wrote: > > Is there any way to determine the settings that the antenna tuner > determined were necessary for an antenna? I would like to be able to move > my antenna around and determine which one is a better match for the > frequency being used. It would be awesome to do this with just the radio > instead of needing an external device. > > Thanks & 73 > Jay > W9IUF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From lmarion at mt.net Mon Jul 25 16:57:24 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:57:24 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> References: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Wayne. I have a lot of fun using random wires with my KX2, will try this out. The coolest QRP rig ever. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:45 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] Field antenna tip Hi all, This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU (KXAT2) can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of lengths wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting or splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one of the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other bands (up through 10 m). 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From bob at hogbytes.com Mon Jul 25 17:05:19 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:05:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1469480719821-7620664.post@n2.nabble.com> Connect the KX3 utility it will show you the exact values the tuner has chosen to match the antenna. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Antenna-Tuner-Settings-tp7620648p7620664.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From thelastdb at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 17:12:03 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (thelastdb) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:12:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings Message-ID: Hi Bob, Which tab is that under? Myron WV?HPrinted on Recycled Data?-------- Original message --------From: Bob N3MNT Date: 7/25/2016 3:05 PM (GMT-07:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings Connect the KX3 utility it will show you the exact values the tuner has chosen to match the antenna. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Antenna-Tuner-Settings-tp7620648p7620664.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com From alsopb at comcast.net Mon Jul 25 17:23:25 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:23:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <4d75041a-10c9-1f20-2024-49ef03b2182c@embarqmail.com> References: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> <4d75041a-10c9-1f20-2024-49ef03b2182c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5796834D.3020101@comcast.net> Thanks Don, Very instructive. All relays click. Tabulated below are the L/C test results. The only anomaly appears to be with C2. It seems to act as a 100 pf rather than the 22 pf it is supposed to be. SWR's 50 ohm dummy load attached to antenna port of K3 ------------------------------------- L test Bypass 1.0 50.1 MHz L1 1.1 L2 1.8 Bypass 1.0 28.1 MHz L1 1.0 L2 1.0 L3 1.5 L4 3.3 L5 14 Bypass 1.0 14.10 MHz L5 3.9 L6 9.8 Bypass 1.0 7.05 MHz L6 4.2 L7 8.9 Bypass 1.81 MHz L7 2.3 L8 4.6 ------------------------------------------------- 28.1 MHz Bypass = 1.0 21.0 MHz Bypass =1.0 C1 1.4 C1 1.3 C2 2.5 C2 2.1 C3 1.5 C3 1.4 C4 1.7 C4 1.5 C5 5.5 14.1 MHz Bypass =1.0 C5 2.6 C6 5.2 7.05 MHz Bypass =1.0 C6=1.7 C7=3.9 C8=10.9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Not sure if the C2 anomaly is relevant to 160/80 M 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/25/2016 18:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brian, > > You might try going into the KAT3 menu and go through the L1-L8 and > C1-C8 settings to hear the relays click with each selection. > > If all the relays are working, you should be able to do a check on the > health of the inductors and capacitors using a method similar to that > shown for the KAT100 in the right column of page 35 - manually select > the inductors starting with L1 and see what the SWR is on a high band. > With each other inductor, the SWR should increase. Change to a lower > band if the SWR gets too high to indicate (highest is 9.9). Do the same > for the capacitors. > > I have not tried this technique with the KAT3 (but it should work) - I > have used it with the KAT100 and the KAT2. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/25/2016 9:30 AM, brian wrote: >> Hi Don, >> >> Further insight needed. >> >> John and I have looked into the 80M tuner strangeness problem further. >> We both have qualitatively seen the same thing. It is related to >> trying to tune Z's that are on the order of 25-30 ohms on 160M/80M. >> > From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Jul 25 17:24:16 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:24:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, What a novel solution! That's one that would never have occurred to me! Glad it worked! 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Wayne Burdick" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: 7/25/2016 3:45:53 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Field antenna tip >Hi all, > >This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in >a tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU >(KXAT2) can handle just about anything, but this particular combination >of lengths wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after >matching. It probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. > >The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a >simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting >or splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around >one of the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. > >The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the >other bands (up through 10 m). > >73, >Wayne >N6KR > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From john at kn5l.net Mon Jul 25 17:36:04 2016 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:36:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a3404f7-2b13-1ef9-fd6e-bdad543a149f@kn5l.net> The command is: AK (ATU Network Values; KX3/KX2 only, GET only) Programmer's Reference Page 3. The KX3 L and C values can be found from the schematic. Wayne sent an email some years ago with the list of L can C values. I don't believe that the KX2 L and C values have been published. John KN5L On 07/25/2016 04:12 PM, thelastdb wrote: > Hi Bob, > Which tab is that under? > Myron WV?HPrinted on Recycled Data -------- Original message --------From: Bob N3MNT Date: 7/25/2016 3:05 PM (GMT-07:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings > Connect the KX3 utility it will show you the exact values the tuner has > chosen to match the antenna. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 25 17:37:56 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:37:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <2c54dabf-3d8c-13e1-16a6-aba88224ed76@triconet.org> Agreed. On 7/25/2016 11:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote: >> On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." > > That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a confirmation > from you to spend money with the postal system. When we were kids, it cost a > penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost of printing a card, it > costs someone who wants your card more than $1 round trip (.49 each way) in > the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, average $3.50 to/from other > countries. > > LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the > popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate thing to > do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of what we said in > the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, the last courtesy of a > QSO is an upload to LOTW. > > 73, Jim K9YC From vk3byd at bigpond.com Mon Jul 25 17:38:00 2016 From: vk3byd at bigpond.com (Warren_vk3byd) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:38:00 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Feature request OFS / DISPlay Message-ID: <000501d1e6bc$d55d32b0$80179810$@bigpond.com> Hi Doug, Yes you are correct the RATE button will change the tuning rate of the VFO A knob, and the OFS mode will use the VFO B Knob to change the frequency of VFO A at the VFO-CRS rate. Whilst it does duplicate features it also allows the MAIN knob to be left at a slow rate and OFS used for quick tuning. So no need to button press RATE for quick QSY's just use the OFS mode. This configuration I find to be natural and makes sense, less button pushing just to two knobs to deal with. Equally the DISPlay Mode is the great I generally leave it on Voltage or Clock, but I if set the radio to use the OFS function the Display of Voltage etc. disappears and is replaced by Frequency of VFO B When using the Decode Text function the VFO B display is replaced by Decoded (or Transmitted) Text, however the OFS still operates as a course Tune for VFO A. It was the option to have this functionality I was asking to be added as a new feature, the ability to have Both the Course Tuning of VFO A via OFS and the VFO B section of the Display being able to Display Voltage, or Clock, etc, at the same time. 73, Warren vk3byd ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ Warren- I believe that if you use the"rate" button to the left of the main tuning knob, on the bottom row that it does this function. At least, that was what I was doing before I realized the OFS knob does the same thing. I still have not read the entire manual, nor do I understand all of the functions, but at least on my KX2, that is what happens. And when I learned about the OFS knob (the cheat sheet floating around the email lists, is great) I wondered about the duplication of the feature. Both values change the amount I place in the menu for VFO CRS. Doug ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ Using the OFS mode for Course tuning and the Main VFO knob for Fine tuning is great but this is at the expense of the DISPlay function. It would be great to leave the VFO B display set as DISPlay but still have the option to Course tune via the VFO B Knob, rather than changing the tuning rate of the Main VFO knob between course and fine when DISPlay is on. This would be similar to how the TEXT DECODE mode works, and would allow the operator to leave the DISPlay on Voltage, Clock or whatever they wanted and still have course tuning. Implementation could be via a new option in the Menu setup, VFO B display [VFO B or DISP] when in OFS Mode. Or maybe When OFS On, Display [VFO B, Voltage, Time, Ah etc..] 73, Warren vk3byd #479 ________________________________________ From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Mon Jul 25 16:47:11 2016 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (mfsj) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs Message-ID: Well said Jim. 73,Fred/N0AZZ Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Jim Brown Date: 7/25/16 1:49 PM (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote: > On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, average $3.50 to/from other countries. LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From kc4atu at hotmail.com Mon Jul 25 17:41:50 2016 From: kc4atu at hotmail.com (Bill Rowlett) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:41:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> Message-ID: If all you want is a contact confirmation in the ARRL data base to be used for an award from ARRL, than by all means use LOTW. LOTW is not ?the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL.? A QSL which can be held in you hand, can bring back a memory about the QSO, that is the last courtesy of the QSO, not some data in a data bank somewhere. As for me, all CARDS go by the buro, state side manager with SASE, or direct with SASE. Back in my hole now Bill KC4ATU > On Jul 25, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > > I couldn't agree with Jim more! > > I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it. > > It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying to increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so much easier than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country who can do it, or mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that our troubled postal service will get them there and back. > > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 25 Jul 2016 21:49, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote: >>> On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." >> >> That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a >> confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we >> were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost >> of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 >> round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, >> average $3.50 to/from other countries. >> >> LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the >> popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate >> thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of >> what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, >> the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc4atu at hotmail.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 25 17:42:19 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:42:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards. For the life of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs. I still send a receive paper cards...recently bought 1000 of them, but LoTW is great. Wes N7WS On 7/25/2016 1:07 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > I couldn't agree with Jim more! > > I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it. > > It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying to > increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so much easier > than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country who can do it, or > mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that our troubled postal > service will get them there and back. > > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From n9tf at comcast.net Mon Jul 25 17:44:44 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> References: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <306791589.46231185.1469483084310.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Here ya go Wayne, a 160m loading coil!?? http://www.slickpic.com/users/GeneGabry/albums/N9TFHamStationPhotos/?wallpaper#2743010 ? This was from my one time 160m inverted "U". No matter how many times I tried shortening and lengthening the end, 2:1 was the best VSWR I could achieve. Until I added 21 turns around a "full" tube of caulk. Must have been the dielectric constant of the caulk material ;) ? 73 Gene, N9TF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Burdick" To: "elecraft" Cc: KX3 at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:45:53 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Field antenna tip Hi all, This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU (KXAT2) can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of lengths wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting or splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one of the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other bands (up through 10 m). 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From robert.converse at finnegan.com Mon Jul 25 17:49:40 2016 From: robert.converse at finnegan.com (Converse, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:49:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFE8FC23@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> In my KX2 SN 567, I removed the BPF and KXAT2 boards in order to install the Gem Products replacement side plates. I had no trouble installing these on my KX3 and really like them. One article by KE4RG states that this procedure for the KX2 is "not for the timid," and I would now concur. After MUCH difficulty, I got both boards reinstalled and closed up the unit. However, upon power-up, I received an error message "ERR ATC d=001." The manual entry for this error message suggests removing and re-installing the KXAT2 board, making sure the 8-pin connector is properly mated. However, the ol? hands and eyes must not be what they used to be (if they ever were), and it took me over an hour to get it plugged in the first time. It?s extremely difficult to see the KXAT2 board pins and determine if they are properly lined up, while maneuvering the KXAT2 board past the BPF board and antenna connector. Before I make another attempt, I thought I would check if anyone has any hints to increase my chances of success for this procedure. Thanks. Bob, WO3E This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Jul 25 17:50:06 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:50:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> Message-ID: Hmm, the 160 meter QSLs might be complicated by the varying rules for different parts of the US that were in force during the LORAN era. Any old QSLs should be checked for those rules, but those should be getting pretty rare by now. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 25, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards. For the life of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs. > > I still send a receive paper cards...recently bought 1000 of them, but LoTW is great. > > Wes N7WS > > On 7/25/2016 1:07 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >> I couldn't agree with Jim more! >> >> I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it. >> >> It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying to increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so much easier than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country who can do it, or mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that our troubled postal service will get them there and back. >> >> 73, >> Vic, 4X6GP >> Rehovot, Israel >> Formerly K2VCO >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 25 17:56:34 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> Message-ID: <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/25/2016 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards. For the > life of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs. The requirement is that a card checker must have achieved 160M DXCC him/herself before they can check 160M cards. The reason is pretty simple -- some operators were cheating by doctoring cards -- for example, by changing 18.1 MHz to 1.8 MHz. The logic is that a card checker should know enough about 160M propagation (and perhaps even activity) to know whether a QSL might be invalid because it occurs at a time when the band could not possibly have been open between the two stations (for example, no common darkness over a realistic path, taking greyline into account). Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) 73, Jim K9YC From robert.converse at finnegan.com Mon Jul 25 17:58:27 2016 From: robert.converse at finnegan.com (Converse, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:58:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Ser.567 - ERR ATC d=001 Message-ID: <2D8F120650007943AA291C349577162CBFE8FC4E@WASEXMB01.finnegan.com> I apologize that my earlier inquiry did not include a subject. I would really appreciate any guidance on re-installing the KXAT2board. Bob, WO3E This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. From john at kn5l.net Mon Jul 25 18:17:56 2016 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings In-Reply-To: <0a3404f7-2b13-1ef9-fd6e-bdad543a149f@kn5l.net> References: <0a3404f7-2b13-1ef9-fd6e-bdad543a149f@kn5l.net> Message-ID: <6243ed98-aeef-1f32-5763-b37438b4b72b@kn5l.net> Here is Wayne's email referencing the KX3 ATU L and C values: On 08/02/2012 12:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > We're still working on getting the schematics formatted for > publication. Meanwhile, here are the approximate L and C values: > > L: 8, 4, 2, 1, 0.5, 0.25, 0.12, and 0.06 uH > > C: 1360, 680, 330, 164, 82, 39, 18, 10 pF John KN5L On 07/25/2016 04:36 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > The command is: > AK (ATU Network Values; KX3/KX2 only, GET only) > > Programmer's Reference Page 3. > > The KX3 L and C values can be found from the schematic. Wayne sent an > email some years ago with the list of L can C values. > > I don't believe that the KX2 L and C values have been published. > > John KN5L > > On 07/25/2016 04:12 PM, thelastdb wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> Which tab is that under? >> Myron WV?HPrinted on Recycled Data -------- Original message --------From: Bob N3MNT Date: 7/25/2016 3:05 PM (GMT-07:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Antenna Tuner Settings >> Connect the KX3 utility it will show you the exact values the tuner has >> chosen to match the antenna. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to john at kn5l.net > From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 25 18:18:02 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:18:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002b01d1e6c2$6966e550$3c34aff0$@biz> When I was first licensed in the 1950's, the cost of printing QSLs was a significant expense, as was the cost of International Reply Coupons if I didn't want to wait for the buro. I could buy a gallon of gas for 25 cents and a decent meal for $1.00. And, while it was far cheaper even in adjusted dollars than today, the cost of College was very significant. As always, I respond to a request for a QSL in whatever form the other station wants. Being located in Oregon I do not get a lot of requests, so it's not a significant burden. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Jim Brown Date: 7/25/16 1:49 PM (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote: > On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, average $3.50 to/from other countries. LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 25 18:56:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:56:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) Antenna tuner strangeness In-Reply-To: <5796834D.3020101@comcast.net> References: <71f03023-fa11-cb7a-fd40-d151d1afe38d@embarqmail.com> <57961467.9060207@comcast.net> <4d75041a-10c9-1f20-2024-49ef03b2182c@embarqmail.com> <5796834D.3020101@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1f598df5-a0a2-c435-f1ff-06a1a6a155b7@embarqmail.com> Brian, There should have been an increase in SWR between L1 and L2 on 28MHz, but the results on 50MHz indicate that it may be OK. I think the increase in SWR between C1 and C2 is normal, but why does the SWR drop when C3 is selected? That to me indicates a problem with C3 - and possibly C4 for the same reason. The problem can either be the capacitor or its associated relay. The relays clicking indicate that the coil is OK, but that says little about the contacts. Take another look at the C1 through C5 sequence on 28MHz. The SWR should increase with each successive capacitor selected - simply because the capacitor values are larger. From my experience with the KAT2 and KAT100, the SWR increase between C1 and C2 is normal, but the real question is "Why does it drop significantly with C3 and C4?" The C5 SWR of 5.5 is more along the lines of what I would expect. So I would suspect C3 and C4 -- or more likely their relays above all else. Yes, those could be the reason you cannot achieve a good match to low impedance loads on 80 and 160 - it just may be that those values are needed and are not available. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/25/2016 5:23 PM, brian wrote: > Thanks Don, > Very instructive. > All relays click. > Tabulated below are the L/C test results. > The only anomaly appears to be with C2. It seems to act as a 100 pf > rather than the 22 pf it is supposed to be. > > SWR's 50 ohm dummy load attached to antenna port of K3 > ------------------------------------- > L test > Bypass 1.0 50.1 MHz > L1 1.1 > L2 1.8 > Bypass 1.0 28.1 MHz > L1 1.0 > L2 1.0 > L3 1.5 > L4 3.3 > L5 14 > Bypass 1.0 14.10 MHz > L5 3.9 > L6 9.8 > Bypass 1.0 7.05 MHz > L6 4.2 > L7 8.9 > Bypass 1.81 MHz > L7 2.3 > L8 4.6 > ------------------------------------------------- > 28.1 MHz Bypass = 1.0 21.0 MHz Bypass =1.0 > C1 1.4 C1 1.3 > C2 2.5 C2 2.1 > C3 1.5 C3 1.4 > C4 1.7 C4 1.5 > C5 5.5 > 14.1 MHz Bypass =1.0 > C5 2.6 > C6 5.2 > 7.05 MHz Bypass =1.0 > C6=1.7 > C7=3.9 > C8=10.9 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure if the C2 anomaly is relevant to 160/80 M > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 7/25/2016 18:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Brian, >> >> You might try going into the KAT3 menu and go through the L1-L8 and >> C1-C8 settings to hear the relays click with each selection. >> >> If all the relays are working, you should be able to do a check on the >> health of the inductors and capacitors using a method similar to that >> shown for the KAT100 in the right column of page 35 - manually select >> the inductors starting with L1 and see what the SWR is on a high band. >> With each other inductor, the SWR should increase. Change to a lower >> band if the SWR gets too high to indicate (highest is 9.9). Do the same >> for the capacitors. >> >> I have not tried this technique with the KAT3 (but it should work) - I >> have used it with the KAT100 and the KAT2. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Jul 25 17:34:41 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:34:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: References: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Charles Cupp wrote: > Which binding post Wayne?does it make any difference? No. It's entirely ad-hoc/empirical. I wound up maybe 15-20 turns. Definitely not critical, but not guaranteed, either :) Wayne N6KR > Charly XF1/W6CUP - on the air in Cabo San Lucas > > Sent from my iPad Mini 64gig---(Life is too short to Fly Coach) > > On Jul 25, 2016, at 12:45, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU (KXAT2) can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of lengths wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. >> >> The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting or splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one of the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. >> >> The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other bands (up through 10 m). >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: Wayne Burdick >> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) >> Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app >> Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >> >> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 16 New Photos 2 >> ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use >> . >> >> >> __,_._,___ From ditzian at windstream.net Mon Jul 25 19:01:56 2016 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan Ditzian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 boards for K3 wanted Message-ID: I had a power surge in my home (along with everyone else in the zip code), and it looks like my KIO3 boards took a hit via the computer. I tried a new serial-USB converter, and that does not fix the problem. Elecraft suggests that the next step be a new set of I/O boards, but, of course, they no longer make them for the K3, and I will have to spend $400 for the K3S version, which, while an improvement, is not one that I need. If someone has upgraded his/her K3 with the new boards, I would like to discuss purchase of the old ones, if they are fully working. Thank you, Jan, KX2A From eric.csuf at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 19:05:16 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:05:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <002b01d1e6c2$6966e550$3c34aff0$@biz> References: <002b01d1e6c2$6966e550$3c34aff0$@biz> Message-ID: <4046de95-39c3-1344-ffc1-fc2d750c2945@gmail.com> Hah! You should be in So Cal. EVERYBODY wants my card. Ok, nobody, but I'll courteously reply in kind if it ever happens. Eric KE6US On 7/25/2016 3:18 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > When I was first licensed in the 1950's, the cost of printing QSLs was a > significant expense, as was the cost of International Reply Coupons if I > didn't want to wait for the buro. I could buy a gallon of gas for 25 cents > and a decent meal for $1.00. And, while it was far cheaper even in adjusted > dollars than today, the cost of College was very significant. > > As always, I respond to a request for a QSL in whatever form the other > station wants. Being located in Oregon I do not get a lot of requests, so > it's not a significant burden. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: Jim Brown > Date: 7/25/16 1:49 PM (GMT-06:00) To: > elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, > stan levandowski wrote: >> On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." > That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a > confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we > were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost > of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 > round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, > average $3.50 to/from other countries. > > LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the > popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate > thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of > what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, > the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Jul 25 19:06:14 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:06:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <002b01d1e6c2$6966e550$3c34aff0$@biz> References: <002b01d1e6c2$6966e550$3c34aff0$@biz> Message-ID: Hah! You should be in So Cal. EVERYBODY wants my card. Ok, nobody, but I'll courteously reply in kind if it ever happens. Eric KE6US On 7/25/2016 3:18 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > As always, I respond to a request for a QSL in whatever form the other > station wants. Being located in Oregon I do not get a lot of requests, so > it's not a significant burden. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > From kc7eqo at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 19:16:07 2016 From: kc7eqo at gmail.com (Matthew Lawson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:16:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 boards for K3 wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jan, sorry to hear about the surge. Is the local utility working with on replacing gear? This has happened in my family and the utility covered the cost to replace the items damaged. Good luck and 73! *Matthew Lawson* *KC7EQO* *442.100 + 100 Hz PL Blyn Mt Repeater* *http://www.qrz.com/db/KC7EQO/R * On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Jan Ditzian wrote: > I had a power surge in my home (along with everyone else in the zip code), > and it looks like my KIO3 boards took a hit via the computer. I tried a > new serial-USB converter, and that does not fix the problem. Elecraft > suggests that the next step be a new set of I/O boards, but, of course, > they no longer make them for the K3, and I will have to spend $400 for the > K3S version, which, while an improvement, is not one that I need. If > someone has upgraded his/her K3 with the new boards, I would like to > discuss purchase of the old ones, if they are fully working. > > Thank you, > > Jan, KX2A > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc7eqo at gmail.com > From kstover at ac0h.net Mon Jul 25 19:43:10 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:43:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Test Procedure In-Reply-To: <7d0745de-03b3-e706-c724-beabb248c6fd@embarqmail.com> References: <03cf01d1e5e3$25b4fc50$711ef4f0$@carolinaheli.com> <228399c6-eeb7-0901-66e0-54ccb7d141e7@montac.com> <027301d1e604$732160c0$59642240$@sbcglobal.net> <7d0745de-03b3-e706-c724-beabb248c6fd@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <12ef9ae3-7e4f-ae4b-19d8-0118566da68e@ac0h.net> I think Don should write that up and post it on his site. On 7/24/2016 8:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Mark, > > I think you are correct, no "standard" test procedure is possible > because it would not account for all installed options, filter > assignments, and other configurable aspects of the K3/K3S. > > I would however suggest that one could use a procedure similar to what > I use for a K2. > It is best if you have a dummy load and can observe the TX waveforms > on an oscilloscope connected across that dummy load with a 10X probe. > How well you can do the tests will depend on the equipment you have > available. > Testing into an antenna can produce ambiguous results - use a dummy > load even if you have to borrow one. An external wattmeter with > trusted calibration is also useful. > > Proposed procedure --- > 1) Go through all the calibration items listed in the manual. > 2) Check the status of each option installed and do a functional check > to assure that each of those options is working. > 3) Check the computer connection capability - does it connect with K3 > Uility? > 4) Check the filter assignments using K3 Utility. > 5) Check the CW output waveform on the 'scope. > 6) Check the SSB output waveform. Does it change with Mic Gain and > Compression. > 7) Check data mode operation if you had been set up for that capability. > 8) Check FM capability if your K3 is equipped with the 13kHz filter. > 9) Check AM capability if your K3 has the 6kHz or 13kHz filter. > 10) if you have the KAT3, check that it tunes properly into a dummy > load on all bands. > 10a) if you have 2 50 ohm dummy loads, connect them in parallel and > assure that the KAT3 will tune into the resultant 25 ohm dummy load. > 11) Check receive function on all bands. A signal generator like the > XG3 is a big help with this evaluation. Check at low signal levels. > 12) Check the KRX3 receive in the same manner as the main reciever. > > Note, you can best observe the RX characteristics using an audio > spectrum analyzer (Spectrogram or Spectrum Lab or others) running on > your computer - feed the headphone output (or rear panel phones or > speaker) to the soundcard input. The main RX is the left channel and > the KRX3 is the right channel. > If you do not have an audio spectrum analyzer, you can download a good > copy of Spectrogram from my website www.w3fpr.com - look near the > bottom of the opening page for links to a copy internal to my website > (it has been scrubbed by several anti-virus programs and has come up > clean - contrary to several copies of Spectrogram found 'in the wild' > on the internet). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Jul 25 19:55:47 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:55:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e8d6969-0bb8-4a27-2826-3ef9f57a41d8@nycap.rr.com> Putting the costs into perspective by date - it was not cheap back in the day. I have many many QSL cards I have received over the years and enjoy going through them. Some are simple, some are ornate, and I even have a few that were hand made. The gist of this? You cannot view electronic QSL cards - they are only there to serve the purpose of proving a contact to attain some form of status. Electronic QSLs fit right in with texting and other impersonal activities of the digital age. I no longer DX, except to rag chew - so I really don't care if I get a QSL or not. But, I sure don't mind sending them and most certainly enjoy receiving them. Anymore, I also only do direct. Bill W2BLC K-Line From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Jul 25 21:12:10 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:12:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <8de4fa55-908e-3671-bb36-e164a9c34cdd@triconet.org> I know that "logic" but doctored cards are nothing new and are always reason for rejection. So all cards should be looked at closely by every card checker. Besides, with the plethora of stations for hire, who says a guy in sunny CA can't work Mt Athos on 160 using a station in dark ME. "Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " We're supposed to avoid politics here. On 7/25/2016 2:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/25/2016 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards. For the life >> of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs. > > The requirement is that a card checker must have achieved 160M DXCC > him/herself before they can check 160M cards. The reason is pretty simple -- > some operators were cheating by doctoring cards -- for example, by changing > 18.1 MHz to 1.8 MHz. The logic is that a card checker should know enough about > 160M propagation (and perhaps even activity) to know whether a QSL might be > invalid because it occurs at a time when the band could not possibly have been > open between the two stations (for example, no common darkness over a > realistic path, taking greyline into account). > > Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 25 21:41:29 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:41:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <8de4fa55-908e-3671-bb36-e164a9c34cdd@triconet.org> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8de4fa55-908e-3671-bb36-e164a9c34cdd@triconet.org> Message-ID: <9b558387-ca23-e563-9762-0eb13a2270fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,7/25/2016 6:12 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > "Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " We're supposed to avoid > politics here. Why is that political? Are you unaware of the widespread cheating in some contests? 73, Jim From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 21:54:17 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez CX6VM) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:54:17 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> That's sounds very good But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when one side of the QSO was during his noon time 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 25 jul. 2016, a las 18:56, Jim Brown escribi?: > >> On Mon,7/25/2016 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards. For the life of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs. > > The requirement is that a card checker must have achieved 160M DXCC him/herself before they can check 160M cards. The reason is pretty simple -- some operators were cheating by doctoring cards -- for example, by changing 18.1 MHz to 1.8 MHz. The logic is that a card checker should know enough about 160M propagation (and perhaps even activity) to know whether a QSL might be invalid because it occurs at a time when the band could not possibly have been open between the two stations (for example, no common darkness over a realistic path, taking greyline into account). > > Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Mon Jul 25 23:00:16 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:00:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <9b558387-ca23-e563-9762-0eb13a2270fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8de4fa55-908e-3671-bb36-e164a9c34cdd@triconet.org> <9b558387-ca23-e563-9762-0eb13a2270fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <000701d1e6e9$d6c61810$84524830$@biz> Way back in the 50's and 60's we knew that some operators were "earning" their ARRL CW speed proficiency certificates by recording W1AW on reel-to-reel tape recorders and cutting the speed in half. But that was them. I know my certificates were a record of my real ability. That's all that mattered to me. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- > > "Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " From phystad at mac.com Mon Jul 25 23:34:05 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:34:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode Message-ID: I have my K3 enabled to allow the sending of CW in SSB mode. However, I am not sure how this actually works. Therefore, this question. If the K3 VFO is dialed into 3850 KHz (for example) and the mode is set to SSB and my sidetone monitor of the CW signal is set to 700 Hz (not sure if this matters), what will the other station here if I send something in CW while in SSB mode on my K3. In particular: 1. They are also dialed into the same frequency 3850 KHz, what will they hear: a tone of 700 Hz, a tone of some other audio frequency, or no tone at all. My only assumption is that they are in SSB mode and dialed to the same frequency as I am. 2. They (the other station) are dialed into the same frequency of 3850 but their mode is CW and not SSB while my mode in sending is still SSB. Same questions, what will they hear? Thanks, 73, phil, K7PEH From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Jul 25 23:51:09 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> Message-ID: LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed. Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is rare. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote: > But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when one side of the QSO was during his noon time From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Jul 26 00:54:10 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:54:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil, I use that feature on my K3, and I have done it many times. To answer #1, they say they hear me perfectly when we are on the same SSB frequency. It has been handy several times. To answer #2, I think they will be off by their offset frequency. Dick, n0ce On 7/25/2016 10:34 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I have my K3 enabled to allow the sending of CW in SSB mode. However, I am not sure how this actually works. Therefore, this question. > > If the K3 VFO is dialed into 3850 KHz (for example) and the mode is set to SSB and my sidetone monitor of the CW signal is set to 700 Hz (not sure if this matters), what will the other station here if I send something in CW while in SSB mode on my K3. In particular: > > 1. They are also dialed into the same frequency 3850 KHz, what will they hear: a tone of 700 Hz, a tone of some other audio frequency, or no tone at all. My only assumption is that they are in SSB mode and dialed to the same frequency as I am. > > > 2. They (the other station) are dialed into the same frequency of 3850 but their mode is CW and not SSB while my mode in sending is still SSB. Same questions, what will they hear? > > Thanks, > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > From reheath at shaw.ca Tue Jul 26 01:01:49 2016 From: reheath at shaw.ca (ROBERT HEATH) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1851760094.37480621.1469509309140.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Hystad" To: "Elecraft Reflector Reflector" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:34:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode I have my K3 enabled to allow the sending of CW in SSB mode. However, I am not sure how this actually works. Therefore, this question. If the K3 VFO is dialed into 3850 KHz (for example) and the mode is set to SSB and my sidetone monitor of the CW signal is set to 700 Hz (not sure if this matters), what will the other station here if I send something in CW while in SSB mode on my K3. In particular: 1. They are also dialed into the same frequency 3850 KHz, what will they hear: a tone of 700 Hz, a tone of some other audio frequency, or no tone at all. My only assumption is that they are in SSB mode and dialed to the same frequency as I am. 2. They (the other station) are dialed into the same frequency of 3850 but their mode is CW and not SSB while my mode in sending is still SSB. Same questions, what will they hear? Thanks, 73, phil, K7PEH Hello Phil, 1. When in the CW mode, the actual sending frequency is the frequency seen on the transceiver display (assuming zero XIT). As far as I know this applies to all modern transceivers whether set for LSB or USB CW mode. The receive sidetone offset has nothing to do with this. 2. If you wish a station listening on 3850 kHz LSB to hear a CW signal to yield an audio output of 700 Hz, you must transmit a CW signal at a frequency 700 Hz below 3850 kHz, namely 3849.3 kHz. (If the station were listening on 3850 kHz USB, the CW signal signal would need to be at a frequency of 3850.7 kHz.) I think the above information covers all the bases. Your question 2 doesn't mean anything to me because I don't believe any modern transceiver will send CW while set for either SSB mode. An interesting and worthwhile possibility exists by making use of the SPLIT capability. To use the frequency specified above, one would listen on 3850 kHz in LSB mode but transmit in CW mode on 3849.3 kHz in CW mode. With this scheme one can quickly switch back to transmitting in LSB mode by cancelling SPLIT mode. I've done this sort of thing many times. I believe this stunt can be done with any modern transceiver. It can be done with the TenTec Orion but the setup is more complicated and TenTec doesn't tell you in their manual how to do it. 73, Bob, VA3BZ, W8BZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to reheath at shaw.ca From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Jul 26 01:10:03 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:10:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144MHz xvrtr - no output In-Reply-To: <001501d1e5c9$52418d70$f6c4a850$@biz> Message-ID: After upgrading my K3 with some of the new boards from the K3S, I tested my K144XV module by hitting the local repeater (about 1.5 miles from my roof mounted antenna). It came back to me so I assumed everything was OK. Then my wife (KI6SLX) acted as net control using the K3. Everyone thought she was very scratchy. I hooked up a power/SWR meeter to the antenna feed and it showed almost no power output. I opened up the radio, reseated the TMP connectors, and the power came back to normal. Moral: Watch those TMP connectors. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/24/16 at 9:34 AM, ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) wrote: >If it's dead in all modes, or especially if it is intermittent, check to be >sure the antenna cable is properly inserted in the TMP connector at the >K144XV module. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Jul 26 03:37:07 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:37:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs Message-ID: <201607260737.u6Q7b70e011139@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I still do QSL cards but only if requested for a contact on HF. On 6m I QSL 100% of initial contacts. On 2m and up I QSL eme initial contacts 100%. If you want to work Alaska on 2m-eme then you have to work me. I'm the only station that is regularly active. http://www.kl7uw.com/QSL_2mEME_2011.jpg One other station has the ability to set up his 30-foot dish on 2m but rarely does. His eme interest is 432 and up. So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer on card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for someone that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info? Might like to upgrade the quality of my QSL's. I have different cards for 600m, 6m, 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw. I use the 6m card for any HF requests. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jul 26 04:18:35 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:18:35 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <1851760094.37480621.1469509309140.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1851760094.37480621.1469509309140.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: > On 26 Jul 2016, at 06:01, ROBERT HEATH wrote: > > I think the above information covers all the bases. Your question 2 doesn't mean anything to me because I don't believe any modern transceiver will send CW while set for either SSB mode. Bob, the K3 and KX3 ( and possibly others) have this feature and that is what the OP was asking about. See SSB + CW. It is hidden away under the CW WGHT menu. It is a -fantastically- useful feature especially on VHF bands where often CW can be used to help complete a contact that started on SSB and QSB made copy difficult. Just hit the paddles while still in SSB mode and send CW without having to think about changing to CW mode first and whether you need to alter VFO etc. The other station who has you tuned in on SSB will hear the CW in his receiver at approximately your chosen sidetone frequency. What can't all manufacturers have this ? - It is so blindingly obvious that if I use my key that I want to send CW and if I press my microphone PTT that I want to speak on SSB. Others make you have to press mode buttons just so I can quickly send a R or K on the key while in an SSB QSO. Well done Elecraft! 73 David GM4JJJ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 26 08:30:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:30:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil, With CW+SSB turned on, SSB will be sent at the carrier frequency indicated on the VFO. When CW is sent, the frequency is shifted by the amount of your sidetone pitch, so the receiving station will hear a pitch equal to your sidetone pitch. Note that for normal CW, the signal frequency is the same as indicated on the VFO, i.e. it is different in CW+SSB. If you are sending in CW mode and the receiving station is listening in SSB - and both VFOs are tuned to the same frequency, they will hear nothing because their receiver will likely not hear a signal at the carrier frequency - that does assume that both stations VFOs are calibrated properly. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/25/2016 11:34 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I have my K3 enabled to allow the sending of CW in SSB mode. However, I am not sure how this actually works. Therefore, this question. > > If the K3 VFO is dialed into 3850 KHz (for example) and the mode is set to SSB and my sidetone monitor of the CW signal is set to 700 Hz (not sure if this matters), what will the other station here if I send something in CW while in SSB mode on my K3. In particular: > > 1. They are also dialed into the same frequency 3850 KHz, what will they hear: a tone of 700 Hz, a tone of some other audio frequency, or no tone at all. My only assumption is that they are in SSB mode and dialed to the same frequency as I am. > > > 2. They (the other station) are dialed into the same frequency of 3850 but their mode is CW and not SSB while my mode in sending is still SSB. Same questions, what will they hear? > > From n9tf at comcast.net Tue Jul 26 08:45:12 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (Gene Gabry) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:45:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham community as well. Gene, N9TF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed. Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is rare. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote: > But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when > one side of the QSO was during his noon time ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 09:17:21 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez CX6VM) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:17:21 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> Message-ID: <8469A37A-E3A7-4698-A122-EB20EE4D3656@gmail.com> That's what I mean Gene Or maybe this situation, I run a remote station in Japan, worked P5 at 14 utc but called him as cx6vm and not JA/ cx6vm That will match on LOTW but LOTW don't know that is impossible a DX on 160 mts at 14 utc 73, Jorge Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 26 jul. 2016, a las 09:45, Gene Gabry escribi?: > > I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same > capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact > could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon > Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have > coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off > an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most > hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition > in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham > community as well. > > Gene, N9TF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM > To: Reflector Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs > > LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed. > Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is > rare. > > 73, Jim K9YC > >> On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote: >> But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when >> one side of the QSO was during his noon time > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to n9tf at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com From arsk2rny at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 10:00:20 2016 From: arsk2rny at gmail.com (Carey Magee) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Upgrade of KAT3 possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. I have a couple of antennas I use that require no antenna tuner. I have the KAT3 bypassed for those. Is there an upgrade kit for the kat3, or do I need to buy the kat3a if I want to take advantage of completely bypassing the tuner. Many thanks. 73, Carey From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 26 10:59:58 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:59:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <201607260737.u6Q7b70e011139@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201607260737.u6Q7b70e011139@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I use KB3IFH at http://kb3ifh.homestead.com/ . I have made two different orders of full color, heavy gloss stock, printed both sides from him. Fair price and fast turn-around. Here's the product I bought: "PREMIUM QSL Cards (14pt Gloss Front (UV Coating) / Color Back" http://kb3ifh.homestead.com/portfolio.html#anchor_56 Please tell him KY5G sent you.... I don't "get" anything from the referral. Just want him to know that I am, in fact, sending him "Word of Mouth" business. :) Beautiful cards. 100% Custom. I get compliments on them all the time. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/26/2016 2:37 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I still do QSL cards but only if requested for a contact on HF. On 6m > I QSL 100% of initial contacts. On 2m and up I QSL eme initial > contacts 100%. > > If you want to work Alaska on 2m-eme then you have to work me. I'm > the only station that is regularly active. > http://www.kl7uw.com/QSL_2mEME_2011.jpg > > One other station has the ability to set up his 30-foot dish on 2m but > rarely does. His eme interest is 432 and up. > > So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer on > card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for someone > that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info? Might like to > upgrade the quality of my QSL's. I have different cards for 600m, 6m, > 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw. I use the 6m card for any HF > requests. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Jul 26 11:46:53 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:46:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Upgrade of KAT3 possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Carey, The KAT3A PC board required significant layout changes to add the bypass relay. It would be very difficult to modify a KAT3 for this purpose. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Carey Magee wrote: > Hi. I have a couple of antennas I use that require no antenna tuner. I have > the KAT3 bypassed for those. > > Is there an upgrade kit for the kat3, or do I need to buy the kat3a if I > want to take advantage of completely bypassing the tuner. > > Many thanks. > > 73, > Carey > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 26 11:54:14 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:54:14 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Upgrade of KAT3 possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101d1e755$f6429490$e2c7bdb0$@sbcglobal.net> Carey, You need to buy the KAT3A. There is no upgrade kit for the KAT3. I would suspect the PC board layout to be different for the KAT3A from the KAT3 to allow for the additional relay. So I doubt there is any way to retrofit a KAT3 with the bypass relay. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carey Magee Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:00 PM To: elecraft at mailman. qth. net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Upgrade of KAT3 possible? Hi. I have a couple of antennas I use that require no antenna tuner. I have the KAT3 bypassed for those. Is there an upgrade kit for the kat3, or do I need to buy the kat3a if I want to take advantage of completely bypassing the tuner. Many thanks. 73, Carey ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From k1zn at att.net Tue Jul 26 12:11:27 2016 From: k1zn at att.net (Jeffrey Cantor) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with a K3 & MicroHam digikeyer II References: <1062468872.5841546.1469549487257.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1062468872.5841546.1469549487257.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Looking for a mentor to help me set up and get going.? Tnx,? Jeff? From phystad at mac.com Tue Jul 26 12:55:15 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:55:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> Don (and others who answered): Thanks. I was guessing that the answer to the second question (CW mode TX ?> SSB RX) was as you said but entirely confident. So, given what you are saying on sending CW while in SSB mode, the K3 does the following things: 1. Allows CW to be sent in SSB mode (enabled or disabled). 2. Shifts the actual TX frequency by side-tone monitor frequency per LSB/USB direction. Therefore, given that the RX station is receiving at the same dial VFO frequency reading, they will hear a tone roughly equivalent to the tone determined by my side-tone frequency. Of course, assuming they are the same LSB or USB as I am. As someone else said ? ?why don?t all transceiver vendors do the same and support this feature?. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Jul 26, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Phil, > > With CW+SSB turned on, SSB will be sent at the carrier frequency indicated on the VFO. > When CW is sent, the frequency is shifted by the amount of your sidetone pitch, so the receiving station will hear a pitch equal to your sidetone pitch. > > Note that for normal CW, the signal frequency is the same as indicated on the VFO, i.e. it is different in CW+SSB. > > If you are sending in CW mode and the receiving station is listening in SSB - and both VFOs are tuned to the same frequency, they will hear nothing because their receiver will likely not hear a signal at the carrier frequency - that does assume that both stations VFOs are calibrated properly. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/25/2016 11:34 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I have my K3 enabled to allow the sending of CW in SSB mode. However, I am not sure how this actually works. Therefore, this question. >> >> If the K3 VFO is dialed into 3850 KHz (for example) and the mode is set to SSB and my sidetone monitor of the CW signal is set to 700 Hz (not sure if this matters), what will the other station here if I send something in CW while in SSB mode on my K3. In particular: >> >> 1. They are also dialed into the same frequency 3850 KHz, what will they hear: a tone of 700 Hz, a tone of some other audio frequency, or no tone at all. My only assumption is that they are in SSB mode and dialed to the same frequency as I am. >> >> >> 2. They (the other station) are dialed into the same frequency of 3850 but their mode is CW and not SSB while my mode in sending is still SSB. Same questions, what will they hear? >> >> > From arsk2rny at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:11:15 2016 From: arsk2rny at gmail.com (Carey Magee) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:11:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Upgrade of KAT3 possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the great responses. Carey On Tuesday, July 26, 2016, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Carey, > > The KAT3A PC board required significant layout changes to add the bypass > relay. It would be very difficult to modify a KAT3 for this purpose. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Carey Magee > wrote: > > > Hi. I have a couple of antennas I use that require no antenna tuner. I > have > > the KAT3 bypassed for those. > > > > Is there an upgrade kit for the kat3, or do I need to buy the kat3a if I > > want to take advantage of completely bypassing the tuner. > > > > Many thanks. > > > > 73, > > Carey > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > -- 73, Carey Magee, K2RNY Rochester New York Grid: FN13ef arsk2rny at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:18:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:18:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> References: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> Message-ID: <87653c31-c3fc-8c87-2dad-bc28d504702d@embarqmail.com> Phil, My best guess is that others cannot shift the transmit frequency fast enough to follow CW -- or they just don't think it is important. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/26/2016 12:55 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > As someone else said ? ?why don?t all transceiver vendors do the same and support this feature?. > > From rick at tavan.com Tue Jul 26 13:24:59 2016 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:24:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> References: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Was this on the hot side or the counterpoise? /Rick On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] < KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a > tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU (KXAT2) > can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of lengths > wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It > probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. > > The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a > simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting or > splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one of > the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. > > The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other > bands (up through 10 m). > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > ? Reply to > group ? Start > a New Topic > > ? 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Terms > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:41:18 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:41:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> Message-ID: Check out the history of DXCC for more than half a century of scandal, intrigue and exotic adventure! Eric KE6US On 7/26/2016 5:45 AM, Gene Gabry wrote: > I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same > capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact > could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon > Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have > coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off > an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most > hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition > in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham > community as well. > > Gene, N9TF > From k2cm.george at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:48:56 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:48:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Upgrade of KAT3 possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E68F9AD-605C-4B10-86DC-C6227E641DA2@gmail.com> Why not take two relays,put them in a box with connectors, and bypass the tuner externally. We use relays as part of our switching system for two remote stations. Send me an email direct and I will send you a schematic, part numbers and sources for the relays. George K2CM Vestal, NY Sent from my iPad > On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Carey Magee wrote: > > Thanks everyone for the great responses. > > Carey > >> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Hi Carey, >> >> The KAT3A PC board required significant layout changes to add the bypass >> relay. It would be very difficult to modify a KAT3 for this purpose. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Carey Magee > > wrote: >> >>> Hi. I have a couple of antennas I use that require no antenna tuner. I >> have >>> the KAT3 bypassed for those. >>> >>> Is there an upgrade kit for the kat3, or do I need to buy the kat3a if I >>> want to take advantage of completely bypassing the tuner. >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> 73, >>> Carey >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> >> > > -- > 73, > Carey Magee, K2RNY > Rochester New York > Grid: FN13ef > arsk2rny at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Jul 26 13:57:51 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:57:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2100 and KAT100 Question Message-ID: I am just about to order my second K2 ? principally for the experience of building it, but also to have an additional configuration in the station. I have a question about using a K2/100 with an existing KAT100 already in an EC2 with another KPA100. Specifically: I already have a K2/10 with the internal low power tuner, the KAT2. And I have a KPA100 with a KAT100 in an EC-2 enclosure. What I am about to order will be a K2/100, i.e. another K2 with its own internal KPA100. There may be occasions when I will need an ATU for that soon-to-be K2/100. The easiest option would be to build another KAT100 in the low-profile box. But to lower the total cost I was thinking I might on those occasions use my existing KAT100 in the EC-2. Can I do so? The problem is that the existing KAT100 is wired into the existing KPA-100 within the EC-2. There is an 8 connector ribbon cable, as I recall, conveying power and control data from one to the other. That makes me wonder whether the KAT100 already tethered to its KPA100 in the EC-2 could work with an outside KPA100 in the new K2/100, without having to open the EC-2 and undo the control line connection every time? A second question is whether, for the same purpose, I would need a KIO2 in the soon-to-be K2/100, assuming I can use the EC-2?s ATU with it? The KPA100 in the new K2/100 will have its own RS232. Will that be sufficient? Thanks for any insights anyone can offer. Ted, KN1CBR From lists at subich.com Tue Jul 26 14:47:41 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:47:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with a K3 & MicroHam digikeyer II In-Reply-To: <1062468872.5841546.1469549487257.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1062468872.5841546.1469549487257.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1062468872.5841546.1469549487257.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Which JT65 application? The easiest way to start is to use WSJT 10 - the example configuration is in microHAM Router (Help | Download Documents) or on the web site at www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html. You can also use several of the other JT65 HF packages if you disable CAT (radio frequency interface) and us only serial port PTT on the 2nd PTT port in microHAM Router. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/26/2016 12:11 PM, Jeffrey Cantor wrote: > Looking for a mentor to help me set up and get going. Tnx, Jeff > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Jul 26 15:02:45 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with a K3 & MicroHam digikeyer II In-Reply-To: References: <1062468872.5841546.1469549487257.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1062468872.5841546.1469549487257.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9f0c17c5-be88-57a0-e6e0-78eb5e3e2122@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,7/26/2016 11:47 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Which JT65 application? The easiest way to start is to use WSJT 10 > - the example configuration is in microHAM Router (Help | Download > Documents) or on the web site at www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html. > > You can also use several of the other JT65 HF packages if you disable > CAT (radio frequency interface) and us only serial port PTT on the > 2nd PTT port in microHAM Router. I can't comment on the microHam aspects of JT65 operation, in which Joe is the best to advise you. But using nothing more than an Elecraft USB cable and a Tascam US100 audio interface, I find WSJT-X to be MUCH simpler and easier to use than WSJT 10. I use VOX for T/R switching. Before WSJT-X was introduced, I was quite happy with WSJT-HF by W6CQZ. I use WSJT 10 only for those modes that WSJT-X does not support, like FSK441 and ISCAT. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 26 15:16:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:16:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2100 and KAT100 Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ted, The answer is if you want to go to some bit of trouble, yes you can use the KAT100 in the EC2 enclosure. If you want to do it only once in a while, then you can, but if you think you will do it frequently, you will want another KAT100. You will have to electrically disconnect the KPA100 in the EC2. You can disconnect it by removing the right side panel and unplugging the ribbon cable, the power cable and the input coax. Disconnect the short PL-259 to PL259 coax from the KAT100 RF IN jack and connect a longer cable from your new K2/100 to this RF IN jack. You will have to power the KAT100 from the 2.1mm coaxial jack. You will need to have a control cable from the K2/100 AUX IO to the DE-9 connector on the KAT100. (if you are using this connector in your current configuration, plug it into the KPA100 - the one in the EC2 enclosure - AUX IO connector instead, it can stay there). You will need to build a 2nd control cable as shown in the KAT100 manual (it can have the cable to the computer too, but that is not required). If desired, put the right side panel back on the EC2 enclosure, although it will operate just fine with it off. When you are finished using the KAT100 with your new K2/100, restore the internal cables between the KPA100 and KAT100 and re-do your external cables. With the KPA100 on the base K2 enclosure, you will not need the KIO2 - in fact, there will be no place to put it. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/26/2016 1:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I am just about to order my second K2 ? principally for the experience of building it, but also to have an additional configuration in the station. I have a question about using a K2/100 with an existing KAT100 already in an EC2 with another KPA100. > > Specifically: I already have a K2/10 with the internal low power tuner, the KAT2. And I have a KPA100 with a KAT100 in an EC-2 enclosure. What I am about to order will be a K2/100, i.e. another K2 with its own internal KPA100. > > There may be occasions when I will need an ATU for that soon-to-be K2/100. The easiest option would be to build another KAT100 in the low-profile box. But to lower the total cost I was thinking I might on those occasions use my existing KAT100 in the EC-2. Can I do so? The problem is that the existing KAT100 is wired into the existing KPA-100 within the EC-2. There is an 8 connector ribbon cable, as I recall, conveying power and control data from one to the other. That makes me wonder whether the KAT100 already tethered to its KPA100 in the EC-2 could work with an outside KPA100 in the new K2/100, without having to open the EC-2 and undo the control line connection every time? > > A second question is whether, for the same purpose, I would need a KIO2 in the soon-to-be K2/100, assuming I can use the EC-2?s ATU with it? The KPA100 in the new K2/100 will have its own RS232. Will that be sufficient? > > Thanks for any insights anyone can offer. > > From ppauly at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 15:35:20 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:35:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: References: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I'm starting to think Wayne is the MacGyver of the ham radio world. On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Rick Tavan wrote: > Was this on the hot side or the counterpoise? > > /Rick > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] < > KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a > > tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU > (KXAT2) > > can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of > lengths > > wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It > > probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. > > > > The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a > > simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting > or > > splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one > of > > the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. > > > > The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other > > bands (up through 10 m). > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > __._,_.___ > > ------------------------------ > > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > > ------------------------------ > > Reply via web post > > < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/messages/59470;_ylc=X3oDMTJyOXFzMTJwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARtc2dJZAM1OTQ3MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0Njk0NzY5Mjg-?act=reply&messageNum=59470 > > > > ? Reply to sender > > ? 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Privacy > ? > > Unsubscribe ? > Terms > > of Use > > > > . > > > > __,_._,___ > > > > > > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From pfizenmayer at q.com Tue Jul 26 15:35:49 2016 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (HankP) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1979024239.556935.1469561749331.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> While we are on this subject - is there a way to have CW+SSB on the split frequency as in using the subrx for split freq and want to get a carrier with key ? I have tried b SET and A>B ALL etc etc . You CAN get it by an A/B and turning off split but would be handy to simply have it on both VFOs. Hank K7HP ----- Original Message ----- > With CW+SSB turned on, SSB will be sent at the carrier frequency > indicated on the VFO. > When CW is sent, the frequency is shifted by the amount of your > sidetone pitch, so the receiving station will hear a pitch equal to > your > sidetone pitch. > Note that for normal CW, the signal frequency is the same as indicated > on the VFO, i.e. it is different in CW+SSB. > If you are sending in CW mode and the receiving station is listening > in > SSB - and both VFOs are tuned to the same frequency, they will hear > nothing because their receiver will likely not hear a signal at the > carrier frequency - that does assume that both stations VFOs are > calibrated properly. > 73, > Don W3FPR From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Jul 26 16:22:27 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:22:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: References: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <583F77DA-662F-474B-90DF-0B96C990088B@elecraft.com> Hot, though it wouldn't matter. I was just using the post as a coil form. Wayne On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Rick Tavan rtavan at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Was this on the hot side or the counterpoise? > > /Rick > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > > Hi all, > > This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU (KXAT2) can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of lengths wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. > > The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting or splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one of the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. > > The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other bands (up through 10 m). > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee, CA > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: Rick Tavan > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (5) > Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app > Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 20 New Photos 2 > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 16:27:12 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:27:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bought an EC2 to put my KPA100 and KAT100 in. That left a blank top cover, front/rear cover sitting on a shelf. I recently made two side covers and a bottom cover for it which I want to paint as close to the original EC2 panels as possible. Most of the rattle can greys are more blue than the Elecraft grey which tends towards a brown tone almost. Anyone run across a rattle can color that comes close? Eric KE6US From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 26 16:39:32 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:39:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <1979024239.556935.1469561749331.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1979024239.556935.1469561749331.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <10078807-af9d-31e5-ce84-d5ac6334628d@embarqmail.com> Hank, I am not clear what you are trying to accomplish. First, CW+SSB is only applicable for transmit, and you cannot transmit with the subRX. Yes, you can swap the frequencies, but transmit is still only on the main RF board whether in SPLIT or not. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/26/2016 3:35 PM, HankP wrote: > While we are on this subject - is there a way to have CW+SSB on the > split frequency > as in using the subrx for split freq and want to get a carrier with > key ? > > I have tried b SET and A>B ALL etc etc . You CAN get it by an A/B and > turning off split but would > be handy to simply have it on both VFOs. > From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 16:40:49 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:40:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric, Elecraft used to sell cans of spray touch up paint. Don't know if they still do. You might look at Rustoleum flat gray primer or their "Navy Gray". 73 Ken - K0PP On Jul 26, 2016 14:27, "EricJ" wrote: > I bought an EC2 to put my KPA100 and KAT100 in. That left a blank top > cover, front/rear cover sitting on a shelf. I recently made two side covers > and a bottom cover for it which I want to paint as close to the original > EC2 panels as possible. Most of the rattle can greys are more blue than the > Elecraft grey which tends towards a brown tone almost. > > Anyone run across a rattle can color that comes close? > > Eric KE6US > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 17:00:50 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] covers and cases Message-ID: <4d2eb888-32da-c02c-46f0-d371d1a9a8b7@gmail.com> Anyone hear from Rose lately? I want to get her to make a carrying case for me, sent an email, but have no reply; I hope she is okay... 72 de Dave, W5SV From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Jul 26 18:13:44 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <201607260737.u6Q7b70e011139@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: For very short run QSLs, I make up a card in a photo editing program and print it as a 4x6 print. I cut that down to 3.5" x 5.5" for a standard QSL size. I put all the QSO information on the front and leave the back as it comes from the photo shop. For the 80-100 cards I need to print for the special event station that just finished, it has been suggested that I get a copy shop (Kinko's/FedEx etc.) to print them 4 up on glossy stock with anything I want on the back. For larger numbers, the various QSL printers are probably the way to go. As for sending QSLs, I upload all my contacts to LotW (including net control contacts for the Elecraft SSB net). If I want a card from you, I will send you one with a SASE/SAE w/green stamps. If you want a card from me, send a request via email or postal mail. Since Santa Clara county isn't a rare one, I can afford the postage for the people who want my card. I will add, I still don't know the procedure to apply paper QSLs to DXCC. I got mine entirely with LotW. 73 Bill AE6JV (and QSL manager for N7C) On 7/25/16 at 12:37 AM, kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) wrote: >So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer >on card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for >someone that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info? Might >like to upgrade the quality of my QSL's. I have different >cards for 600m, 6m, 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw. I use >the 6m card for any HF requests. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Truth and love must prevail | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | over lies and hate. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Vaclav Havel | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 26 18:22:37 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <9b558387-ca23-e563-9762-0eb13a2270fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8de4fa55-908e-3671-bb36-e164a9c34cdd@triconet.org> <9b558387-ca23-e563-9762-0eb13a2270fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <83603693-1e6a-f364-4322-0aa2342565b7@elecraft.com> Guys - This is a little too OT. Let's close the thread and take this off-list. 73, Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ On 7/25/2016 6:41 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,7/25/2016 6:12 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> "Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " We're supposed to avoid politics >> here. > > Why is that political? Are you unaware of the widespread cheating in some > contests? From lew at n6lew.us Tue Jul 26 19:08:13 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If ?money is no object? and you want to nail the color exactly, you can buy custom-blended spray paint for about $50 a can from http://www.myperfectcolor.com/ Lew N6LEW > On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:27 PM, EricJ wrote: > > I bought an EC2 to put my KPA100 and KAT100 in. That left a blank top cover, front/rear cover sitting on a shelf. I recently made two side covers and a bottom cover for it which I want to paint as close to the original EC2 panels as possible. Most of the rattle can greys are more blue than the Elecraft grey which tends towards a brown tone almost. > > Anyone run across a rattle can color that comes close? > > Eric KE6US > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us > Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Jul 26 19:32:18 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:32:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2100 and KAT100 Question and a side note about Alaska Message-ID: Thanks, Don. I feared that might be the case ? that once the amp and tuner are mated in the EC-2, using that tuner by itself for a different amp would require severing it from its mate. Then, to return to the ?twins? configuration for the other K2, means doing all of that in reverse. A separate KAT100 sounds like the better choice by far. OK; here we go. An order will go to Elecraft tomorrow. Incidentally, in case Ed Cole, KL7UW, is reading the mail, I have been cruising the inside passage for the past week, Sitka today and heading for Anchorage two days from now. Is it always incessant cold rain this time of year? Never mind sunspots; I have forgotten what the sun looks like. Otherwise, beautiful territory. Ted, KN1CBR On 7/26/16, 1:16 PM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: Ted, The answer is if you want to go to some bit of trouble, yes you can use the KAT100 in the EC2 enclosure. If you want to do it only once in a while, then you can, but if you think you will do it frequently, you will want another KAT100. You will have to electrically disconnect the KPA100 in the EC2. You can disconnect it by removing the right side panel and unplugging the ribbon cable, the power cable and the input coax. Disconnect the short PL-259 to PL259 coax from the KAT100 RF IN jack and connect a longer cable from your new K2/100 to this RF IN jack. You will have to power the KAT100 from the 2.1mm coaxial jack. You will need to have a control cable from the K2/100 AUX IO to the DE-9 connector on the KAT100. (if you are using this connector in your current configuration, plug it into the KPA100 - the one in the EC2 enclosure - AUX IO connector instead, it can stay there). You will need to build a 2nd control cable as shown in the KAT100 manual (it can have the cable to the computer too, but that is not required). If desired, put the right side panel back on the EC2 enclosure, although it will operate just fine with it off. When you are finished using the KAT100 with your new K2/100, restore the internal cables between the KPA100 and KAT100 and re-do your external cables. With the KPA100 on the base K2 enclosure, you will not need the KIO2 - in fact, there will be no place to put it. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/26/2016 1:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I am just about to order my second K2 ? principally for the experience of building it, but also to have an additional configuration in the station. I have a question about using a K2/100 with an existing KAT100 already in an EC2 with another KPA100. > > Specifically: I already have a K2/10 with the internal low power tuner, the KAT2. And I have a KPA100 with a KAT100 in an EC-2 enclosure. What I am about to order will be a K2/100, i.e. another K2 with its own internal KPA100. > > There may be occasions when I will need an ATU for that soon-to-be K2/100. The easiest option would be to build another KAT100 in the low-profile box. But to lower the total cost I was thinking I might on those occasions use my existing KAT100 in the EC-2. Can I do so? The problem is that the existing KAT100 is wired into the existing KPA-100 within the EC-2. There is an 8 connector ribbon cable, as I recall, conveying power and control data from one to the other. That makes me wonder whether the KAT100 already tethered to its KPA100 in the EC-2 could work with an outside KPA100 in the new K2/100, without having to open the EC-2 and undo the control line connection every time? > > A second question is whether, for the same purpose, I would need a KIO2 in the soon-to-be K2/100, assuming I can use the EC-2?s ATU with it? The KPA100 in the new K2/100 will have its own RS232. Will that be sufficient? > > Thanks for any insights anyone can offer. > > From mbower at bbunch.org Tue Jul 26 19:32:45 2016 From: mbower at bbunch.org (Michael Bower) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:32:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many years ago, I had a piece of Heathkit gear that needed a touch up. I took one of the side panels to Home Depot. They scanned the panel and made a custom mix that matched perfectly (except the finish). Maybe taking an Elecraft panel to them would give you the color you need. Michael N4NMR On Tuesday, July 26, 2016, EricJ wrote: > I bought an EC2 to put my KPA100 and KAT100 in. That left a blank top > cover, front/rear cover sitting on a shelf. I recently made two side covers > and a bottom cover for it which I want to paint as close to the original > EC2 panels as possible. Most of the rattle can greys are more blue than the > Elecraft grey which tends towards a brown tone almost. > > Anyone run across a rattle can color that comes close? > > Eric KE6US > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mbower at bbunch.org > From w5sum at comcast.net Tue Jul 26 19:35:19 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:35:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-2 well alrighty then! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F52D774DC014A6CA000F8A55D53BDEA@MININTMC1HLDC> it will be here friday! my 20th anniversary gift from my Bride! W5SUM Ronnie From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Jul 26 19:46:10 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:46:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <8469A37A-E3A7-4698-A122-EB20EE4D3656@gmail.com> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> <8469A37A-E3A7-4698-A122-EB20EE4D3656@gmail.com> Message-ID: You're right Jorge, it is a real problem when using on-line systems such as eQSL and LoTW as well as for contest log checking. The reverse situation occurs often too. You sign JA/CX6VM but I log it as CX6VM. If someone signs K6XXX/7, do I log it as received or as K6XXX. All depends on how he will submit it, and that depends on why he thought it necessary to send /7. It gets even more complicated between the US and Canada: In every case except Canada, the US rules tell a visiting amateur to sign the /. Thus in the last CWT, I worked W5/MM0LID. However Canadian hams are to sign their /. I have no idea why, but if I were operating in British Columbia, I'd be K6DGW/VE7. How much of that would get logged is sort of up in the air. Ignoring the costs for a moment, that is an advantage of hard copy QSL cards ... you can annotate them with special circumstances, such as remote operation, which is occurring more frequently these days. Costs tend to follow the world economy. In the mid-50's, I could mail a domestic card for $0.03 but of course, $0.05 would also buy me an ice cream cone or a candy bar, and it cost $0.15 to ride the bus/streetcar/urban train down to the FCC office in downtown Los Angeles. Most ice cream cones now are in the general range of #3.00 for one scoop. :-) I will respond to Bureau QSL cards that say "Pse QSL." If someone sends me a card direct, I always respond. I operate W7RN remote, and sometimes on-site. Tom has a vast-ish array of "real" QSL cards under the glass on desks at the opr positions. Fun to read. 73, Fred K6DGW(/7?) Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 7/26/2016 6:17 AM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote: > That's what I mean Gene > > Or maybe this situation, I run a remote station in Japan, worked P5 > at 14 utc but called him as cx6vm and not JA/ cx6vm > > That will match on LOTW but LOTW don't know that is impossible a DX > on 160 mts at 14 utc > > 73, Jorge From ditzian at windstream.net Tue Jul 26 19:46:50 2016 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan Ditzian) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 boards wanted Message-ID: <933fd61c-e564-f03b-801d-4f15b5c02bee@windstream.net> I am the ham who asked for replacement KIO3 boards. At the present time, I have received several offers of boards at different prices, and several offers of free boards. I am in communication with a ham with free boards now, and I will let this reflector know how that went. Meanwhile, I urge those who still have boards not to discard them, but to save them for the next ham who has such a problem. The only alternative from Elecraft is the $400 upgraded set. Thank you to all who replied, Jan, KX2A From glen.torr at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 19:48:32 2016 From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:48:32 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [FS] K3 VK yet another price drop Message-ID: Hi All, For sale, K SN 2680. Includes:- General Coverage RX 700, 2.8K, 6.0 and 15K 8 pole filters. 100 Watt ATU Upgraded DSP Board SS screws K144XV internal 2 meter module. HM2 Hi Stab. LO Original owner, non smoker, little operating time. Built by professional electronics technical officer. AUD $1500 negotiable. KX3,2 and KXPA100 have rendered this excellent K3 surplus to requirements, need more diesel. At this price demo and shipping are purchasers responsibility prefer VK 1,2 or 3 but not a show stopper elsewhere. KX2 and KXPA 1000 are now favourites. Cheers Glen Torr, VK1FB From greenacres113 at charter.net Tue Jul 26 19:50:35 2016 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (greenacres113 at charter.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:50:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs & cheating Message-ID: This is a hobby or it's supposed to be. To cheat in contests or Dxing or some other aspect of the hobby is really a mute point. What do you gain? I guess if you get praise or false respect it boils down to what's in your heart. As a DXer I can't bring myself to cheat. To me what's the point. No matter who knows my results it boils down to if I feel I've done it the correct honorable way. As to QSLs, old guys like me often prefer the paper card over the bits on a computer screen. Everyone goes their own way. Unfortunately, there is a monster in the mix. The jammers. Whether it's trying to prevent others from enjoying the hobby or some kind of demented fun I don't know. Especially on CW. The crazies are more hidden. But when jammers try to converse with the freq. cops [ another mutation] at high speed CW it's one of two things. Either they are very good CW Ops which tends to say they are hams or ex-hams or they have really great code reading software! When my K line is on I just want to enjoy the hobby. I have no ax to grind. Sad that everyone doesn't feel that way. They should find a new hobby. That's what QSY or QRT means. K9IL From cautery at montac.com Tue Jul 26 20:07:53 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bde1166-cc61-e9b5-ee66-b55ba1d7ad01@montac.com> Take a sample to your local REPUTABLE body shop and ask them to match it. Don't do it with a "rattle can". Get it painted with a proper prep/process or powder coated, or something... Do it right and don't have to worry about ever doing it again... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/26/2016 3:40 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Eric, > > Elecraft used to sell cans of spray touch up paint. Don't know if theyh > still do. > > You might look at Rustoleum flat gray primer or their "Navy Gray". > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > > On Jul 26, 2016 14:27, "EricJ" wrote: > >> I bought an EC2 to put my KPA100 and KAT100 in. That left a blank top >> cover, front/rear cover sitting on a shelf. I recently made two side covers >> and a bottom cover for it which I want to paint as close to the original >> EC2 panels as possible. Most of the rattle can greys are more blue than the >> Elecraft grey which tends towards a brown tone almost. >> >> Anyone run across a rattle can color that comes close? >> >> Eric KE6US From lists at subich.com Tue Jul 26 20:14:54 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> <8469A37A-E3A7-4698-A122-EB20EE4D3656@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/26/2016 7:46 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > In every case except Canada, the US rules tell a visiting amateur to > sign the /. Thus in the last CWT, I > worked W5/MM0LID. However Canadian hams are to sign their > /. I have no idea why, but if I were > operating in British Columbia, I'd be K6DGW/VE7. The formats are specified by the respective international treaties. For Canadian amateurs the format is specified by the "Convention Between the United States and Canada (TIAS No. 2508) Relating to the Operation by Citizens of Either Country of Certain Radio Equipment or Stations in the Other Country" (?97.107 (a)(1)). For amateurs from countries covered by CEPT (?97.5 (d)) or IARP (?97.5 (e)) the format is specified by those conventions. As to why the two formats are different ... the Canada/US Convention preceded CEPT (Europe) and IARP (The Americas) by more than a decade ... the Europeans chose to do things their own way and the majority of IARP decided to emulate Europe rather than the US/Canada. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 20:33:03 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:33:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. I'll keep it mind for a future project. Considering that I took hours to build side panels, a bottom panel and 2D fasteners from scratch to salvage some old EC2 panels when I could have just paid $79.95 for a new EC2 case...I'd say money was a big object. hi. Eric KE6US On 7/26/2016 4:08 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > If ?money is no object? and you want to nail the color exactly, you can buy custom-blended spray paint for about $50 a can from > > http://www.myperfectcolor.com/ > > Lew N6LEW > > >> On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:27 PM, EricJ wrote: >> >> I bought an EC2 to put my KPA100 and KAT100 in. That left a blank top cover, front/rear cover sitting on a shelf. I recently made two side covers and a bottom cover for it which I want to paint as close to the original EC2 panels as possible. Most of the rattle can greys are more blue than the Elecraft grey which tends towards a brown tone almost. >> >> Anyone run across a rattle can color that comes close? >> >> Eric KE6US >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us >> > Lew Phelps N6LEW > Pasadena, CA DM04wd > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 > Yaesu FT-7800 > Lew at N6LEW.US > www.n6lew.us > > Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com From mail at cvkimball.com Tue Jul 26 20:48:42 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:48:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared Message-ID: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm a new owner and all worked fine. After an absence of a few days I came back to no power out, or , at least, very little. Rig is the 100W version with ATU working into a dummy load. In CW mode adjusting the power level to 70W produces only a one segment power out. Running the ATU produces a 5W indication, the usual searching rumbling, but no resultant SWR. The Test mode is NOT in operation. I have restored to the last working config via K3 Utility, but suspect I must have "hit" something to limit the power. The FP and AMP temps were too high (35C) when the problem was noticed. I set them down to a more reasonable 23C without effect. Input voltage is 12.8V. Probably something trivial, but suggestions would be appreciated. Chris NQ8Z -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Tue Jul 26 21:33:23 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:33:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> Message-ID: <002d01d1e7a6$ddc35b10$994a1130$@biz> Hams are people. Some people are dishonest. However, to judge whether a contact is honest or not cannot be made on the basis of what we think we know about propagation. Remember that Hams in the USA were given the use of frequencies of 200 meters and down based on the "scientific" knowledge that any wavelength less than 200 meter was totally useless for communications beyond a mile or two. 200 meters is about 1500 kHz. They were saying that any frequency higher than 1500 kHz was useless for long-distance communications: All of the HF ham bands were useless for communications beyond a mile or two or as some said (beyond their back yards). We know that is not true. Further, we are still discovering unexpected oddities in propagation. Exploring those oddities is one of the major justifications for even having Hams because there are so many of us tinkering around with things others are sure will never work. Sure, a pair of Hams may collude to report a contact. But to assume it was not possible is to reject the very basis for why Ham radio exists (at least in the USA). I suggest that such odd reports be places on "suspension" until more are received, just as any other experience would be until it is proven "repeatable". Only then could it be accepted as "proof" of the first occurrence. Otherwise it is allowed to fade into obscurity along with things like cold fusion. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gene Gabry Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:45 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham community as well. Gene, N9TF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed. Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is rare. 73, Jim K9YC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Jul 26 21:52:43 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:52:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: K3 or K3s? On 7/26/16 5:48 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: > I'm a new owner and all worked fine. After an absence of a few days I came > back to no power out, or , at least, very little. > > Rig is the 100W version with ATU working into a dummy load. In CW mode > adjusting the power level to 70W produces only a one segment power out. > Running the ATU produces a 5W indication, the usual searching rumbling, but > no resultant SWR. The Test mode is NOT in operation. > > I have restored to the last working config via K3 Utility, but suspect I > must have "hit" something to limit the power. The FP and AMP temps were too > high (35C) when the problem was noticed. I set them down to a more > reasonable 23C without effect. Input voltage is 12.8V. > > Probably something trivial, but suggestions would be appreciated. > > Chris > NQ8Z From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Tue Jul 26 21:55:08 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:55:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Obvious question - did you check it with an external wattmeter/dummy load? At 05:48 PM 7/26/2016, Chris Kimball wrote: >I'm a new owner and all worked fine. After an absence of a few days I came >back to no power out, or , at least, very little. > >Rig is the 100W version with ATU working into a dummy load. In CW mode >adjusting the power level to 70W produces only a one segment power out. >Running the ATU produces a 5W indication, the usual searching rumbling, but >no resultant SWR. The Test mode is NOT in operation. > >I have restored to the last working config via K3 Utility, but suspect I >must have "hit" something to limit the power. The FP and AMP temps were too >high (35C) when the problem was noticed. I set them down to a more >reasonable 23C without effect. Input voltage is 12.8V. > >Probably something trivial, but suggestions would be appreciated. > >Chris >NQ8Z > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From eric at elecraft.com Tue Jul 26 22:08:39 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs In-Reply-To: <002d01d1e7a6$ddc35b10$994a1130$@biz> References: <28654b6.8b1db.1561ff939a0.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <002a01d1e696$979fa500$c6deef00$@biz> <78c521aa.8baeb.15623564195.Webtop.50@optonline.net> <28e94e7d-fbaf-d1fd-0579-9396adfd6ac0@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7cdc4f88-7493-bee6-c063-554535ac9a41@gmail.com> <84e98fa9-5574-32f5-128f-6599f951345b@triconet.org> <8e739e47-a955-475b-9b2a-f754953360b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> <22B17500-54F4-460B-8447-5306747591B3@gmail.com> <003e01d1e73b$8d89f390$a89ddab0$@net> <002d01d1e7a6$ddc35b10$994a1130$@biz> Message-ID: <043A11D9-7EFF-4FEE-9F59-007F83300C5C@elecraft.com> Guys, thread was closed earlier. Please take it off list. 73, Eric Moderator, really! elecraft.com _..._ > On Jul 26, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > Hams are people. Some people are dishonest. > > However, to judge whether a contact is honest or not cannot be made on the > basis of what we think we know about propagation. > > Remember that Hams in the USA were given the use of frequencies of 200 > meters and down based on the "scientific" knowledge that any wavelength less > than 200 meter was totally useless for communications beyond a mile or two. > 200 meters is about 1500 kHz. They were saying that any frequency higher > than 1500 kHz was useless for long-distance communications: All of the HF > ham bands were useless for communications beyond a mile or two or as some > said (beyond their back yards). > > We know that is not true. Further, we are still discovering unexpected > oddities in propagation. Exploring those oddities is one of the major > justifications for even having Hams because there are so many of us > tinkering around with things others are sure will never work. > > Sure, a pair of Hams may collude to report a contact. But to assume it was > not possible is to reject the very basis for why Ham radio exists (at least > in the USA). > > I suggest that such odd reports be places on "suspension" until more are > received, just as any other experience would be until it is proven > "repeatable". Only then could it be accepted as "proof" of the first > occurrence. > > Otherwise it is allowed to fade into obscurity along with things like cold > fusion. > > 73 Ron AC7AC > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gene > Gabry > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:45 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs > > I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same > capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact > could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon > Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have > coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off > an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most > hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition > in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham > community as well. > > Gene, N9TF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM > To: Reflector Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs > > LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed. > Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is > rare. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Jul 26 23:13:05 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Field antenna tip In-Reply-To: <3102EAFE-C16F-49B4-9D0C-DA5267CD8AE3@me.com> References: <49DCBAE0-A9FD-44E5-B88C-B38FFC49685F@elecraft.com> <583F77DA-662F-474B-90DF-0B96C990088B@elecraft.com> <3102EAFE-C16F-49B4-9D0C-DA5267CD8AE3@me.com> Message-ID: Like this, but just the "hot" wire (the one up in the air). The counterpoise wire was used as-is, with no ad-hoc inductance in series. Wayne On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:38 PM, shawn Bado wrote: > wrapped around only as a form or left on there? > > something like this?? > (imagine there is a counterpoise on black post as well) > > > > KK6NLZ > > Bado... > > On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > >> Hot, though it wouldn't matter. I was just using the post as a coil form. >> >> >> Wayne >> >> >> On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Rick Tavan rtavan at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Was this on the hot side or the counterpoise? >>> >>> /Rick >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This weekend I was using the KX2 with a random length of wire tossed in a tree and another random length laid on the ground. Normally the ATU (KXAT2) can handle just about anything, but this particular combination of lengths wasn't working well on 40 m; SWR was still around 3:1 after matching. It probably looked like an end-fed half wave to the tuner. >>> >>> The wires were connected to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, suggesting a simple workaround. Rather than adjust the length of the wire by cutting or splicing, I simply reeled in a few feet of it and wrapped it around one of the binding posts, forming an inductor of perhaps several uH. >>> >>> The ATU was then able to match the antenna on 40 m, as well as the other bands (up through 10 m). >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Rick Tavan >>> Truckee, CA >>> >> >> >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: Wayne Burdick >> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (6) >> Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app >> Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >> >> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 20 New Photos 2 >> ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use >> . >> >> >> __,_._,___ From wd6cmp at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 23:19:57 2016 From: wd6cmp at gmail.com (rocky cookus) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:19:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the KPA3A (100 W Power Amplifier) install in a K3? Message-ID: I saw nothing mentioned on the order form--but Fred Cady, KE7X says, "To upgrade a K3/10 to a K3/100, order and install the KPA3A amplifier module. You may have to do some modifications to the RF board during installation. If the final transistors in a KPA3 fail, you may have to replace it with the KPA3A." From wd6cmp at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 23:44:25 2016 From: wd6cmp at gmail.com (rocky cookus) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:44:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] test -- please ignore Message-ID: From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Jul 27 01:13:07 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, while we are at it, would one of those hand-held electric sprayers work well enough to spray that Paint? Dick, n0ce On 7/26/2016 6:32 PM, Michael Bower wrote: > Many years ago, I had a piece of Heathkit gear that needed a touch up. I > took one of the side panels to Home Depot. They scanned the panel and made > a custom mix that matched perfectly (except the finish). > > Maybe taking an Elecraft panel to them would give you the color you need. > > Michael N4NMR > > On Tuesday, July 26, 2016, EricJ wrote: > >> I bought an EC2 to put my KPA100 and KAT100 in. That left a blank top >> cover, front/rear cover sitting on a shelf. I recently made two side covers >> and a bottom cover for it which I want to paint as close to the original >> EC2 panels as possible. Most of the rattle can greys are more blue than the >> Elecraft grey which tends towards a brown tone almost. >> >> Anyone run across a rattle can color that comes close? >> >> Eric KE6US >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mbower at bbunch.org >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Jul 27 01:25:42 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:25:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I don't think you stated, so I will ask; Did you check the circuit breaker in back? Dick, n0ce On 7/26/2016 7:48 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: > I'm a new owner and all worked fine. After an absence of a few days I came > back to no power out, or , at least, very little. > > Rig is the 100W version with ATU working into a dummy load. In CW mode > adjusting the power level to 70W produces only a one segment power out. > Running the ATU produces a 5W indication, the usual searching rumbling, but > no resultant SWR. The Test mode is NOT in operation. > > I have restored to the last working config via K3 Utility, but suspect I > must have "hit" something to limit the power. The FP and AMP temps were too > high (35C) when the problem was noticed. I set them down to a more > reasonable 23C without effect. Input voltage is 12.8V. > > Probably something trivial, but suggestions would be appreciated. > > Chris > NQ8Z > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com From n7xy at n7xy.net Wed Jul 27 02:14:42 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:14:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Headphones for KX2/KX3 for Single sided deafness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <076fb119-97f9-ec51-a706-92d321232aa6@n7xy.net> As another ham who is deaf in one ear (although I was in my 50s when it happened), I was wondering if I am out of luck when it comes to the dual watch function of the KX2. Bob, N7XY On 7/26/16 3:50 PM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Joe, > > I suggest that you are looking at the wrong parameter. Audio folks have > not done "impedance matching" for a long time now. > You should be looking at the SPL ratings for the headphone instead - > that is an indicator of the sensitivity. > > The audio amplifier output is a low impedance and will feed as much > power into the connected device (speaker or headphones) as it can take. > Consider a parallel - plugging a lamp into an AC mains receptacle. > The AC Mains receptacle is a low impedance source. If you plug in a 25 > watt bulb, it will produce the light of a 25 watt bulb, but if you plug > in a 100 watt bulb, it will produce more light - same low impedance > driving source. > > Just guessing here --- > Is it possible that your single headphone has a mono plug on it? If so, > it is shorting out one channel of the KX2 audio. Change it to a stereo > plug with the tip and ring connected together. (caution, wires in > headphones can be difficult to solder, some are nylon fiber wrapped > loosely with copper braid for flexibility). > > Alternately, just use a regular set of headphones - yes, you will not > hear one side, but the audio should be better. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/26/2016 5:15 PM, kn2a2016 at icloud.com [KX3] wrote: > > > > Hi all. > > I have SSD. Born deaf from my left ear. > > Can anyone recommend an affordable headphone that I can use with the > > KX2? I recently purchased a Stanton DJ Pro 300 headphone ( it only has > > one side). It seems that there is a impedance mismatch because I can't > > get a loud output when I use it. It works fine when connected to my > > iPhone or laptop. > > Any suggestions? I can probably cook up a impedance matching circuit > > or just buy a "normal " headphone and call it a day however I like the > > single headset concept. > > Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated. > > Thanks > > Joe KN2A > > > > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: Don Wilhelm . > > __,_._,___ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Jul 27 03:07:33 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:07:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 Message-ID: My K3 (and P3) were used in a very dusty environment in eastern Nevada. Some people there compared the dust levels to those at burning man. Does anyone have any advice about cleaning the equipment? 73 Bill AE6JV --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 03:23:03 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:23:03 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144d5c0-75bb-9931-3ccc-3266fecee90a@gmail.com> I always cleaned computers (I worked for an agricultural software company and some of our customers' computers could have had crops planted in them) with a reverse-connected vacuum cleaner to blow the dust out. This must be done outdoors, of course! You need to be careful not to spin fans with the air because it's possible to damage bearings with excessive RPM. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 27 Jul 2016 10:07, Bill Frantz wrote: > My K3 (and P3) were used in a very dusty environment in eastern > Nevada. Some people there compared the dust levels to those at burning > man. Does anyone have any advice about cleaning the equipment? > > 73 Bill AE6JV > From indians at xsmail.com Wed Jul 27 04:45:44 2016 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 01:45:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <1144d5c0-75bb-9931-3ccc-3266fecee90a@gmail.com> References: <1144d5c0-75bb-9931-3ccc-3266fecee90a@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1469609144657-7620747.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bill, the same what suggested Vic, the pressed air gun (like reverse-connected vacuum cleaner tool) to blow the dust out I am using in our company for rough cleaning of the testing equipment time to time. Important things are to protect fans (as Vic mentioned too) from the over-spining. After that when the dust is roughly out I am repeating this step again on different place (if you did not do it outside for the first time) to blow the settled residual dust from the all boards. After all of these steps I am removing the boards one by one and cleaning the pins and all contact with Isopropyl on the cleaning pad. It takes time but it will surely pay! In any case during all of that cleaning procedure I am protecting all LCD displays and screens with covers (adhesive paper tape) in order to avoid getting the dust under the plastic covers, glass screens etc. by the high pressed air gun... Hope it helps, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Cleaning-a-K3-tp7620745p7620747.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mail at cvkimball.com Wed Jul 27 07:34:19 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:34:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared, additional info. In-Reply-To: References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks to all who responded. Alas, the problem continues. Let me respond to the queries to date: 1. The rig is a recent K3S (100W). 2. The KPAT is on, "PA nor". 3. The circuit breaker seems fine. No red showing on button, button feels loose. 4. Operation is into a dummy load, without wattmeter. I've tried using the TUNE button, setting the TUN PWR level to 20W. On pushing TUNE, the panel says 0 W, even though it was set to 20W. In CW mode, the ALC shows reasonable ALC movement on CW sending. RF output remains at 1 segment. Note: No error message has been received of any kind. All operation, other than RF output, is fine. The last contact I had before leaving on the trip was on SSB just to set up the mike. All worked fine on 20 m. Perhaps I "hit" something in playing with SSB. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620748.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 07:50:34 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-2 well alrighty then! Message-ID: <5798a007.1419240a.b4f42.8d6f@mx.google.com> That?s just great! Next thing to do is to work on getting her to say Go with the guys to Dayton and buy what ever you want! Cheers ? Jim K9TF From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Wed Jul 27 08:16:09 2016 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:16:09 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared, additional info. In-Reply-To: <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris It sounds as if you have put the rig into Test mode - the middle button on the far left of the front panel. Barry VK2BJ On 27 July 2016 at 21:34, Chris Kimball wrote: > Thanks to all who responded. Alas, the problem continues. > > Let me respond to the queries to date: > > 1. The rig is a recent K3S (100W). > 2. The KPAT is on, "PA nor". > 3. The circuit breaker seems fine. No red showing on button, button feels > loose. > 4. Operation is into a dummy load, without wattmeter. > > I've tried using the TUNE button, setting the TUN PWR level to 20W. On > pushing TUNE, the panel says 0 W, even though it was set to 20W. > > In CW mode, the ALC shows reasonable ALC movement on CW sending. RF output > remains at 1 segment. > > Note: No error message has been received of any kind. All operation, other > than RF output, is fine. > > The last contact I had before leaving on the trip was on SSB just to set up > the mike. All worked fine on 20 m. Perhaps I "hit" something in playing > with SSB. > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620748.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From w5sum at comcast.net Wed Jul 27 08:40:34 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:40:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-2 well alrighty then! Message-ID: Dayton is on the list for next year! Jim GM wrote: >That?s just great! > >Next thing to do is to work on getting her to say Go with the guys to Dayton and buy what ever you want! > >Cheers ? > >Jim K9TF > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From mail at cvkimball.com Wed Jul 27 09:29:35 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:29:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared, additional info, part 2. In-Reply-To: References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469626175015-7620752.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for the comments. The rig is NOT in the TEST mode, that is, the display TX is not flashing. Holding the TEST mode produces informative messages in the VFO B area both on turn on and turn off. I'm not certain that the TEST mode produces ANY indication at all in the RF scale. I've bypassed both the KPAT and KAT and set the power to 10W. Into a dummy load I still get just one segment in the RF output, the segment being about twice the width of the end tick on the RF scale. There is a distinctive click in going below 13W output. The rig has only 1 receiver and that receiver has the general coverage option. I've tried operating on 80, 40, and 20m with the same no-output result. Just reloaded the latest firmware with K3 Utility. No change in RF output, unfortunately. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620752.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Wed Jul 27 09:51:04 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:51:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared, additional info, part 2. In-Reply-To: <1469626175015-7620752.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469626175015-7620752.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <64e3e347-cd88-f5b1-c4ca-1467535e0876@subich.com> Have you tried an external wattmeter to check for power output? When you make your tests, have you looked at the current draw (use the internal current measuring capability)? What is the current with the rig set to high power (100W) and low power (10W)? Have you checked the hardware on the low power amplifier (motherboard and bottom cover)? Question 1 is an attempt to determine if the internal wattmeter has failed. Question 2 is an attempt to determine if the 8.12 MHz (IF) trap has opened. Question 3 leads to the possibility that the pre-driver has failed because of insufficient heat sinking (loose hardware). If your rig started life as a 10W radio and you have the PA jumper board, I would also recommend removing the KPA3/switching board and installing the jumper to conduct low power tests. Beyond this, I suspect you should be contacting K3support at elecraft.com to arrange for factory support/return for diagnosis/repair. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/27/2016 9:29 AM, Chris Kimball wrote: > Thanks for the comments. > > The rig is NOT in the TEST mode, that is, the display TX is not flashing. > Holding the TEST mode produces informative messages in the VFO B area both > on turn on and turn off. I'm not certain that the TEST mode produces ANY > indication at all in the RF scale. > > I've bypassed both the KPAT and KAT and set the power to 10W. Into a dummy > load I still get just one segment in the RF output, the segment being about > twice the width of the end tick on the RF scale. There is a distinctive > click in going below 13W output. > > The rig has only 1 receiver and that receiver has the general coverage > option. I've tried operating on 80, 40, and 20m with the same no-output > result. > > Just reloaded the latest firmware with K3 Utility. No change in RF output, > unfortunately. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620752.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From mail at cvkimball.com Wed Jul 27 09:55:21 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:55:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared, additional info, part 3. In-Reply-To: <1469626175015-7620752.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469626175015-7620752.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469627721136-7620754.post@n2.nabble.com> K6MKF suggested I run the Calibrate Transmitter Gain function from K3 Utility. The rig failed at both the 5 and 50W levels because the output was inadequate. I think it may be a hardware problem. Operator ineptitude is still a possibility! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620754.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Jul 27 09:56:13 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Be careful if using a vacuum cleaner. A static build-up can develop. I have seen it cause arcing. That may have been a hose with metal fittings. There is also a metal spring inside the hose that can conduct. Perhaps an attachment with a brush for the hose will avoid a discharge. Dick, n0ce On 7/27/2016 2:07 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > My K3 (and P3) were used in a very dusty environment in eastern > Nevada. Some people there compared the dust levels to those at burning > man. Does anyone have any advice about cleaning the equipment? > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: > 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the > www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com -- In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come. (From Franklin Delano Rosevelt's inaugural address 3/4/33) From mail at cvkimball.com Wed Jul 27 10:41:02 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:41:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared, additional info, part 2. In-Reply-To: <64e3e347-cd88-f5b1-c4ca-1467535e0876@subich.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469626175015-7620752.post@n2.nabble.com> <64e3e347-cd88-f5b1-c4ca-1467535e0876@subich.com> Message-ID: <1469630462332-7620756.post@n2.nabble.com> Alas, I don't have a wattmeter in the shack. So I can't answer Joe's question 1. The current drains are: Receive: 1.02 Transmit 10W: 2.74 Transmit 50W: 2.73 The rig is factory built and arrived only last week. I've never opened it up as I have no static protection gear. The rig doesn't rattle, however. I'll contact Elecraft to see what they recommend. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620756.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From knowkode at verizon.net Wed Jul 27 11:05:17 2016 From: knowkode at verizon.net (knowkode at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:05:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? Message-ID: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Greetings, I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for weak signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 and an LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying to compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think the P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... Tnx, Jim, W5QM From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Wed Jul 27 11:16:09 2016 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:16:09 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <56125455-e8d2-2119-8db3-96fe6b2eb6f4@g3ysx.org.uk> On 27/07/2016 16:05, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF It is very useful for search and pounce operation in contests, and for finding a slot to call CQ. It is also useful for understanding the shape of a DX pileup. I find that it helps build a mental picture of the band that I was never able to do simply by listening. Having owned one together with the VGA adapter, I would be very reluctant to go back to ears only operating on any band. - Stewart/G3YSX From r.tristani at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 11:30:50 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:30:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Jim: How can you enjoy a radio without a pan adapter or spectrum display nowadays? After using the P3 for close to six years, I would never even consider a radio without something with that functionality. Still thinking about it? Hello, just don?t think anymore. Just use the plastic and enjoy ham radio again! Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. NQ9V r.tristani at gmail.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ > On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:05 AM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > > > Greetings, > > I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for weak signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 and an LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying to compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think the P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... > > Tnx, > Jim, W5QM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 11:39:45 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:39:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <56125455-e8d2-2119-8db3-96fe6b2eb6f4@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> <56125455-e8d2-2119-8db3-96fe6b2eb6f4@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: Absolutely agree with Stewart. 73, Guy K2AV. On Wednesday, July 27, 2016, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > > On 27/07/2016 16:05, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > >> I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF >> > > It is very useful for search and pounce operation in contests, and for > finding a slot to call CQ. It is also useful for understanding the shape of > a DX pileup. > > I find that it helps build a mental picture of the band that I was never > able to do simply by listening. Having owned one together with the VGA > adapter, I would be very reluctant to go back to ears only operating on any > band. > > - Stewart/G3YSX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Jul 27 11:52:20 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:52:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I apologize for this, but being it's a new rig it has to be said; could there be any confusion in the antenna jack selection? I haven't followed how it is equipped. Dick, n0ce On 7/26/2016 7:48 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: > I'm a new owner and all worked fine. After an absence of a few days I came > back to no power out, or , at least, very little. > > Rig is the 100W version with ATU working into a dummy load. In CW mode > adjusting the power level to 70W produces only a one segment power out. > Running the ATU produces a 5W indication, the usual searching rumbling, but > no resultant SWR. The Test mode is NOT in operation. > > I have restored to the last working config via K3 Utility, but suspect I > must have "hit" something to limit the power. The FP and AMP temps were too > high (35C) when the problem was noticed. I set them down to a more > reasonable 23C without effect. Input voltage is 12.8V. > > Probably something trivial, but suggestions would be appreciated. > > Chris > NQ8Z > > > > From alsopb at comcast.net Wed Jul 27 12:10:39 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:10:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <5798DCFF.7020601@comcast.net> Premise: It is more enjoyable working them than not-- the quicker the better. Let's face it DXing is a competitive undertaking. Besides power and antenna dB's, there is another "space race" war going on. Technology has equipped many station with panadapters of some sort. They have proved so useful that those without them are at a huge disadvantage. So to stay even with the crowd, one almost has to have one. DXpeditions have been impacted negatively. They can't listen on the same frequency for more than one or two QSO's. That frequency becomes a wall of unreadable stations. Thus they move their receive frequency between QSO's. Finding that pattern is really hard without a panadapter. Don't shoot the messenger. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/27/2016 15:30 PM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > Jim: > > How can you enjoy a radio without a pan adapter or spectrum display nowadays? After using the P3 for close to six years, I would never even consider a radio without something with that functionality. Still thinking about it? Hello, just don?t think anymore. Just use the plastic and enjoy ham radio again! > > > Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. NQ9V > r.tristani at gmail.com > https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ > > > > > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:05 AM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for weak signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 and an LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying to compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think the P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... >> >> Tnx, >> Jim, W5QM >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Jul 27 12:13:16 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> <56125455-e8d2-2119-8db3-96fe6b2eb6f4@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: Not all pan-adapters are created equal. Some suggestions; Compare the images of one to another. Look for images that are sluggish and exhibit a delay between what is heard and what is seen due to the computer involved. Also look for false images that are mirrored, etc. (That may take experience to notice.) The same image may be appearing in more than one place on the band at the same time. Best done at the widest bandwidth setting. Compare the bandwidth capability of the various units. Compare the features included in the various units. Compare the ease of operation. Dick, n0ce On 7/27/2016 10:39 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Absolutely agree with Stewart. 73, Guy K2AV. > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2016, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > From cautery at montac.com Wed Jul 27 12:16:10 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> Cleaning a REALLY dusty unit is always better to VACUUM with a static protected unit with a HEPA filter FIRST... Then, blow out what you can't reach with a vacuum second (outside), preferably with the chassis completely open. NOT recommending this because it requires a great deal of care/experience, but I, as my OCD dictates, also clean individual circuit boards with 99% alcohol followed by hot water. Water is bad juju in the wrong places and you absolutely MUST make sure that it is all removed (I use elevated temps in a low humidity environment) prior to reinstallation. Just depends on how much time/energy you want to put into it and you level of care. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/27/2016 8:56 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Be careful if using a vacuum cleaner. A static build-up can develop. > I have seen it cause arcing. That may have been a hose with metal > fittings. > There is also a metal spring inside the hose that can conduct. Perhaps > an attachment with a brush for the hose will avoid a discharge. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/27/2016 2:07 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> My K3 (and P3) were used in a very dusty environment in eastern >> Nevada. Some people there compared the dust levels to those at >> burning man. Does anyone have any advice about cleaning the equipment? >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and >> security: >> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com > From cautery at montac.com Wed Jul 27 12:21:41 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <7c875604-291c-76f7-1bc1-b210849dbb9b@montac.com> Never used an LP-Pan, but it appears to be a sweet instrument and lots of folks like it. I have a P3 w/ SVGA option (will add TXMON soon). IMHO, a panadapter is no longer optional. I use it every time I am on the radio... regardless of the band. I use it to monitor a band segment when running a net. Use it to find signals when DXing, et al. Use it for weak signal work (the screen is better than my ears). Use it for all kinds of stuff... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/27/2016 10:05 AM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > Greetings, > > I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for weak signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 and an LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying to compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think the P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... > > Tnx, > Jim, W5QM From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Jul 27 13:06:50 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:06:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <017301d1e829$496760f0$dc3622d0$@co.uk> The P3 is excellent for HF but its "point and click" facility is far too slow to catch fleeting openings on 6m. To keep watch on the 6m beacons, CW and SSB requires a frequency span of at least 200kHz - and wherever a station may appear, you need to jump onto that frequency *immediately*. For a 6m DXer, that is the practical test case. A mouse can point-and-click accurately at the opposite side of the screen within 2-3 seconds, almost independent of the size of the jump. If a station is calling CQ and you're using a mouse, you can probably arrive in time to catch the callsign - so if it's a new one, you can be the first to answer. But the P3 requires a button-press before you can even begin to twiddle the small knob, and then it takes at least an order of magn... oh never mind, the station's gone. The P3 fails that practical test by a wide margin. Having suffered that scenario too many times, when I purchased a second K3 for use mostly at VHF I decided not to buy either a P3 or a KRX3. There are far better possibilities using conventional SDRs with computer displays that have the *true* point-and-click facility. After some experimentation the 2m station now uses an SDR at the transverter IF, 28MHz, which is where the front-end gain and SNR are the highest (the SNR at the K3 IF port is not as good, which is very noticeable with weak signals). The SDR-IQ, Funcube Dongle Pro+ and SDRplay all gave comparably good waterfall displays but the SDRplay has the major advantage that the frequency span can be expanded beyond the more usual limit of 192kHz. For example, European VHF/UHF contests require 250kHz for full coverage - and those extra kHz are important, because stations do spread out to the extreme edges of the range. Integration with logging software is obviously vital. At present I am using Eterlogic's VSPE port emulator to provide a additional USB links to the HDSDR program and to N1MM+. HDSDR offers the valuable option of the Winrad waterfall palette which is specifically optimized for finding weak signals, and it automatically recognises the K3's transverter offset and allows single-click QSY of either VFO A or VFO B. If HDSDR is linked to VFO B, the K3's VFO B knob can then be used to tune the SDR. All the other functions of the K3 remain unaffected, so the SDR is effectively behaving as a second receiver. A simple switch allows the audio output from HDSDR to be fed into the RH earphone, effectively replacing the KRX3 for SO2V operation. Meanwhile N1MM+ automatically keeps track of all events, and can provide voice and CW keying in the normal way. This setup is still in the experimental stage, not yet ready for a full cookbook description, but it is showing geat promise. None of this is new, but it was new to me (special thanks to GM4JJJ for pointing me in the right direction and making it click). Above all, it does seem to meet the *practical* requirements for VHF/UHF DXing and contesting. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >knowkode at verizon.net >Sent: 27 July 2016 16:05 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? > > >Greetings, > >I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for weak >signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 and an >LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying to >compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? >Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think the >P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do >have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... > >Tnx, >Jim, W5QM > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From len at ka7ftp.com Wed Jul 27 13:13:59 2016 From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:13:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <064f01d1e82a$4405b430$cc111c90$@ka7ftp.com> A few years ago I had Superior Paint Supply in SLC make me a rattle-can of paint that matched the front panel on a PDP11 that I was restoring. As I recall it wasn't more than 20 or 30$. I also bought two types primers, one etching and one non-etching. I was really happy with the result. The color match was perfect. YMMV Len Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft grey in a rattle can? Hey, while we are at it, would one of those hand-held electric sprayers work well enough to spray that Paint? Dick, n0ce From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 27 13:22:01 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <0dab35e9-8f67-62d0-3a10-7f702fd8904a@triconet.org> I use an SDR-IQ and SpectraVue software* to look at the K3 IF output. The software has a K3 interface option built in that knows all of the frequency offsets between modes and tracks the K3 center frequency perfectly and seamlessly. You can tune the K3 with the mouse wheel or point and click. Theoretically it can be used as a second RX, however latency might be disconcerting, at least it is to me. But I don't have a second RX in the K3 either since I have a hard enough job listening to one frequency without trying two :-) The SDR-IQ has been discontinued but used ones still show up. (~$350-$400) There is a higher priced replacement but I can't speak to that one. The P3 crowd will argue that my approach requires a computer (and a USB port), but who doesn't already use one for logging anyway? I run LP-Bridge to share the USB port with the SDR, K3, logging program, MMTTY, etc. A secondary benefit is that the SDR-IQ makes a decent (but not stellar) standalone RX and can be used (with care) as a very accurate spectrum analyzer. I used my second one to measure the TX IMD of both my K3 and K3S. My data correlated with Elecraft's to within a dB or less. * There is other SDR programs out there and I've tried most of them but I'm sorry, the authors of the other packages simply don't think like real people do and I find them simply awful. Wes N7WS On 7/27/2016 8:05 AM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > Greetings, > > I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for weak signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 and an LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying to compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think the P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... > > Tnx, > Jim, W5QM > > _ From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 27 13:32:14 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:32:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <5798DCFF.7020601@comcast.net> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> <5798DCFF.7020601@comcast.net> Message-ID: When I was trying to work my friend Ned, AA7A, operating RTTY at VP8STI I was looking for his pattern. It took about an hour to figure out that he didn't have one! I finally stuck to one frequency and he eventually found me. When I saw him later I mentioned it and he confirmed that after each QSO he just randomly moved the dial. On 7/27/2016 9:10 AM, brian wrote: > > DXpeditions have been impacted negatively. They can't listen on the same > frequency for more than one or two QSO's. That frequency becomes a wall of > unreadable stations. Thus they move their receive frequency between QSO's. > Finding that pattern is really hard without a panadapter. From mike at ki8r.com Wed Jul 27 13:45:59 2016 From: mike at ki8r.com (Michael Murphy) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I love my P3. I've been a ham for 36 years (active for all of them). I've had my P3 for over a year and a half and simply don't know how I ever lived without it. Mike - KI8R On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > Jim: > > How can you enjoy a radio without a pan adapter or spectrum display > nowadays? After using the P3 for close to six years, I would never even > consider a radio without something with that functionality. Still thinking > about it? Hello, just don?t think anymore. Just use the plastic and enjoy > ham radio again! > > > Ram?n E. Tristani Sr. NQ9V > r.tristani at gmail.com > https://www.flickr.com/photos/nq9v/ > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:05 AM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for > weak signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 > and an LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying > to compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? > Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think > the P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do > have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... > > > > Tnx, > > Jim, W5QM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike at ki8r.com -- ----------------------------------------------- *Michael Murphy - KI8R* mike at ki8r.com www.ki8r.com *614-371-8265 (cell)* ----------------------------------------------- From lists at subich.com Wed Jul 27 14:08:29 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:08:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared, additional info, part 2. In-Reply-To: <1469630462332-7620756.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469619259887-7620748.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469626175015-7620752.post@n2.nabble.com> <64e3e347-cd88-f5b1-c4ca-1467535e0876@subich.com> <1469630462332-7620756.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <01a60ede-bf34-f50a-84eb-17ebb22fda35@subich.com> The relative currents indicate little if any drive. I would begin to suspect a failure in the predriver. > I'll contact Elecraft to see what they recommend. I think that's your best bet given the symptoms and the fact that you have a week old factory assembled rig. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/27/2016 10:41 AM, Chris Kimball wrote: > > > Alas, I don't have a wattmeter in the shack. So I can't answer Joe's > question 1. > > The current drains are: > > Receive: 1.02 > Transmit 10W: 2.74 > Transmit 50W: 2.73 > > The rig is factory built and arrived only last week. I've never opened it > up as I have no static protection gear. The rig doesn't rattle, however. > > I'll contact Elecraft to see what they recommend. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620756.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Jul 27 14:15:35 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:15:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> References: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> Message-ID: <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> My S3-line acquired a chronic case of creeping fungus on the chassis while packed up and stored in the Philippines for 4 years. Returning home, I took it to the DIY car wash a couple of times and then dried it in the sun. Seemed to work really well, except for the fungi living in the IF cans. YMMV, I won't be doing that to my K3 however. I'd be real wary of any kind of solvent(s), circuit boards used to be washed with distilled water, maybe still are. Here in No NV, our humidity runs in the single digits in the summer, things dry in the sun very fast. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 7/27/2016 9:16 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > NOT recommending this because it requires a great deal of > care/experience, but I, as my OCD dictates, also clean individual > circuit boards with 99% alcohol followed by hot water. Water is bad > juju in the wrong places and you absolutely MUST make sure that it is > all removed (I use elevated temps in a low humidity environment) prior > to reinstallation. From cautery at montac.com Wed Jul 27 14:18:48 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:18:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> References: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> Message-ID: <6a362e38-f85b-bdf0-0e5e-0d296831d566@montac.com> 99% Isopropyl alcohol is the approved solvent for getting flux, et al off boards... It evaps rapidly and is water soluble... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/27/2016 1:15 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > My S3-line acquired a chronic case of creeping fungus on the chassis > while packed up and stored in the Philippines for 4 years. Returning > home, I took it to the DIY car wash a couple of times and then dried > it in the sun. Seemed to work really well, except for the fungi > living in the IF cans. YMMV, I won't be doing that to my K3 however. > > I'd be real wary of any kind of solvent(s), circuit boards used to be > washed with distilled water, maybe still are. Here in No NV, our > humidity runs in the single digits in the summer, things dry in the > sun very fast. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 7/27/2016 9:16 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > >> NOT recommending this because it requires a great deal of >> care/experience, but I, as my OCD dictates, also clean individual >> circuit boards with 99% alcohol followed by hot water. Water is bad >> juju in the wrong places and you absolutely MUST make sure that it is >> all removed (I use elevated temps in a low humidity environment) prior >> to reinstallation. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From n3ikq at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 14:21:30 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Off Shore RF amplifiers References: <1112441812.6599075.1469643690164.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1112441812.6599075.1469643690164.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> First of all, I'm NOT entertaining purchasing one, I'm happy with my 100W K3. I've been away from the hobby for a while and I'm catching up on a few things. I'm noticing quite a few add on amplifiers targeting the portable crowd on the auction site. Most are originating from China. Many show an internal picture and I do not see any obvious forms of LP filtering. Is it legal to run one of these amps without FCC acceptance? If the answer is "no" then is an effort being made to educate people why these amps may be causing harm to the airwaves (in the test question pool, for instance)? Hams, being a notoriously thrifty lot, may be attracted to the low price but may not be aware of, or have the ability to monitor their own signals. I'm not trying to stir up any wars, I'm simply curious about the proliferation of cheap equipment of questionable quality control and if there has been a noticeable change to the bands over the years. From gkidder at ilstu.edu Wed Jul 27 14:21:56 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:21:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> References: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> Message-ID: <477253dd-30c4-c248-5b98-3d995c33b6b8@ilstu.edu> Another way to look at the use of CW in SSB mode on the K3: What I think the rig does when you hit the key is inject an audio tone at the CW offset frequency into the audio chain for the SSB signal. If all is clean and not distorted, the result will be a single RF frequency offset from the SSB "carrier", and will be receivable as such by a SSB receiver tuned to the SSB carrier frequency. If the K3/K3S doesn't actually generate an audio tone, it sure behaves like it. George, W3HBM On 7/26/2016 12:55 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Don (and others who answered): > > Thanks. I was guessing that the answer to the second question (CW mode TX ?> SSB RX) was as you said but entirely confident. > > So, given what you are saying on sending CW while in SSB mode, the K3 does the following things: > > 1. Allows CW to be sent in SSB mode (enabled or disabled). > 2. Shifts the actual TX frequency by side-tone monitor frequency per LSB/USB direction. > > Therefore, given that the RX station is receiving at the same dial VFO frequency reading, they will > hear a tone roughly equivalent to the tone determined by my side-tone frequency. Of course, > assuming they are the same LSB or USB as I am. > > As someone else said ? ?why don?t all transceiver vendors do the same and support this feature?. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On Jul 26, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Phil, >> >> With CW+SSB turned on, SSB will be sent at the carrier frequency indicated on the VFO. >> When CW is sent, the frequency is shifted by the amount of your sidetone pitch, so the receiving station will hear a pitch equal to your sidetone pitch. >> >> Note that for normal CW, the signal frequency is the same as indicated on the VFO, i.e. it is different in CW+SSB. >> >> If you are sending in CW mode and the receiving station is listening in SSB - and both VFOs are tuned to the same frequency, they will hear nothing because their receiver will likely not hear a signal at the carrier frequency - that does assume that both stations VFOs are calibrated properly. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 7/25/2016 11:34 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >>> I have my K3 enabled to allow the sending of CW in SSB mode. However, I am not sure how this actually works. Therefore, this question. >>> >>> If the K3 VFO is dialed into 3850 KHz (for example) and the mode is set to SSB and my sidetone monitor of the CW signal is set to 700 Hz (not sure if this matters), what will the other station here if I send something in CW while in SSB mode on my K3. In particular: >>> >>> 1. They are also dialed into the same frequency 3850 KHz, what will they hear: a tone of 700 Hz, a tone of some other audio frequency, or no tone at all. My only assumption is that they are in SSB mode and dialed to the same frequency as I am. >>> >>> >>> 2. They (the other station) are dialed into the same frequency of 3850 but their mode is CW and not SSB while my mode in sending is still SSB. Same questions, what will they hear? >>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 27 14:39:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:39:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <477253dd-30c4-c248-5b98-3d995c33b6b8@ilstu.edu> References: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> <477253dd-30c4-c248-5b98-3d995c33b6b8@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: George, The K3/K3S does *not* inject an audio tone. It shifts the transmit carrier by an amount equal to your sidetone pitch. Lower if you are on LSB and higher if you are on USB. The effect is the same as adding a tone to a perfectly suppressed carrier, but is guaranteed to be clean. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/27/2016 2:21 PM, George Kidder wrote: > Another way to look at the use of CW in SSB mode on the K3: What I > think the rig does when you hit the key is inject an audio tone at the > CW offset frequency into the audio chain for the SSB signal. If all > is clean and not distorted, the result will be a single RF frequency > offset from the SSB "carrier", and will be receivable as such by a SSB > receiver tuned to the SSB carrier frequency. > > If the K3/K3S doesn't actually generate an audio tone, it sure behaves > like it. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 27 14:47:55 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:47:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Off Shore RF amplifiers In-Reply-To: <1112441812.6599075.1469643690164.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1112441812.6599075.1469643690164.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1112441812.6599075.1469643690164.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, You are correct, an amplifier without low pass filtering will generate harmonics - unless it is a *very* expensive instrumentation amplifier - you might find one in a test lab, but most likely not in a ham station. It is not legal to *sell* those kind of amplifiers in the US (and I assume many other countries). However, an amateur can purchase one of these and add his own low pass filters and that is entirely legal. Any amateur radio station in the US must assure that his transmitted signal is clean and meets FCC requirements. The amateur is individually responsible for the quality of the signal he transmits. Anyone who has passed his amateur exam should know that. For that reason, I will not allow my call to be used at Field Day unless they also use my transceiver(s). 73, Don W3FPR On 7/27/2016 2:21 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > First of all, I'm NOT entertaining purchasing one, I'm happy with my 100W K3. I've been away from the hobby for a while and I'm catching up on a few things. I'm noticing quite a few add on amplifiers targeting the portable crowd on the auction site. Most are originating from China. Many show an internal picture and I do not see any obvious forms of LP filtering. Is it legal to run one of these amps without FCC acceptance? If the answer is "no" then is an effort being made to educate people why these amps may be causing harm to the airwaves (in the test question pool, for instance)? Hams, being a notoriously thrifty lot, may be attracted to the low price but may not be aware of, or have the ability to monitor their own signals. I'm not trying to stir up any wars, I'm simply curious about the proliferation of cheap equipment of questionable quality control and if there has been a noticeable change to the bands over the years. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From valvetbone at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 14:56:56 2016 From: valvetbone at gmail.com (Art Hejduk) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:56:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <7c875604-291c-76f7-1bc1-b210849dbb9b@montac.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> <7c875604-291c-76f7-1bc1-b210849dbb9b@montac.com> Message-ID: Although I really like using a panadapter, which I made from a Softrock Lite II for $21.00 and an external USB sound card for about $50.00, it was a lot of fun using my K1 during a recent NAQCC sprint. Panadapters are nice, but not absolutely necessary in my opinion. 73, Art WB8ENE On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Never used an LP-Pan, but it appears to be a sweet instrument and lots > of folks like it. > > I have a P3 w/ SVGA option (will add TXMON soon). > > IMHO, a panadapter is no longer optional. I use it every time I am on > the radio... regardless of the band. > > I use it to monitor a band segment when running a net. Use it to find > signals when DXing, et al. Use it for weak signal work (the screen is > better than my ears). > > Use it for all kinds of stuff... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/27/2016 10:05 AM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I have yet to be convinced I need a panadapter for HF but its use for > weak signal 6m use is what has my attention. That said, I have seen the P3 > and an LP-Pan demonstrated but nothing else. I realize I am probably trying > to compare apples to oranges but how do these stack up against each other? > Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? I think > the P3 lends itself to my rudimentary comfort level with computers but I do > have good tech support in my wife. That said, fire away.... > > > > Tnx, > > Jim, W5QM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to valvetbone at gmail.com > From severyn46 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 27 15:15:32 2016 From: severyn46 at hotmail.com (John Severyn) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:15:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will second Dick's caution of using any high pressure air or gas. The high flow rates can cause static charge buildup on higher impedance parts, causing over-voltage failures. Keep the flow rate and pressure low....do not use an air compressor hose. The static buildup can happen no matter if the hose is conductive or insulating. The flow of air over the component leads generates a static charge. John AF6QO On 7/27/2016 6:56 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Be careful if using a vacuum cleaner. A static build-up can develop. > I have seen it cause arcing. That may have been a hose with metal > fittings. > There is also a metal spring inside the hose that can conduct. Perhaps > an attachment with a brush for the hose will avoid a discharge. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/27/2016 2:07 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> My K3 (and P3) were used in a very dusty environment in eastern >> Nevada. Some people there compared the dust levels to those at >> burning man. Does anyone have any advice about cleaning the equipment? >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and >> security: >> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com > From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Jul 27 15:18:17 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> Couple questions: 1) What radio, K3 or K3S, or K2/100? 2) which antenna, 1 or 2? 3) You said you turned the ?temps down to a more reasonable 23C?? I don?t recall a temp setting, only a REF to current room temperature calibration step. 4) What is the voltage shown on the front panel display? ?billc nr4c > On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > I apologize for this, but being it's a new rig it has to be said; could there be any confusion in the antenna jack selection? > I haven't followed how it is equipped. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/26/2016 7:48 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: >> I'm a new owner and all worked fine. After an absence of a few days I came >> back to no power out, or , at least, very little. >> >> Rig is the 100W version with ATU working into a dummy load. In CW mode >> adjusting the power level to 70W produces only a one segment power out. >> Running the ATU produces a 5W indication, the usual searching rumbling, but >> no resultant SWR. The Test mode is NOT in operation. >> >> I have restored to the last working config via K3 Utility, but suspect I >> must have "hit" something to limit the power. The FP and AMP temps were too >> high (35C) when the problem was noticed. I set them down to a more >> reasonable 23C without effect. Input voltage is 12.8V. >> >> Probably something trivial, but suggestions would be appreciated. >> >> Chris >> NQ8Z >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From Mundschenk55 at msn.com Wed Jul 27 15:21:32 2016 From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:21:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are going to use a compressor, use a moisture/condensate trap like you would use with a paint spray gun. Those air tanks get full of water. And yes, of course keep the pressure way down!! Russ KD4JO -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Severyn Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 I will second Dick's caution of using any high pressure air or gas. The high flow rates can cause static charge buildup on higher impedance parts, causing over-voltage failures. Keep the flow rate and pressure low....do not use an air compressor hose. The static buildup can happen no matter if the hose is conductive or insulating. The flow of air over the component leads generates a static charge. John AF6QO On 7/27/2016 6:56 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Be careful if using a vacuum cleaner. A static build-up can develop. > I have seen it cause arcing. That may have been a hose with metal > fittings. > There is also a metal spring inside the hose that can conduct. Perhaps > an attachment with a brush for the hose will avoid a discharge. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/27/2016 2:07 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> My K3 (and P3) were used in a very dusty environment in eastern >> Nevada. Some people there compared the dust levels to those at >> burning man. Does anyone have any advice about cleaning the equipment? >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> >> Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and >> security: >> 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the >> www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> rpfjeld at outlook.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mundschenk55 at msn.com From josh at voodoolab.com Wed Jul 27 15:26:25 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:26:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> References: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> Message-ID: <0360dba5-8fc8-ec9a-da1e-488c3e1e44ee@voodoolab.com> DI water is the standard, usually in a closed loop system. Most process now use water soluble flux. If not, sometimes a wash with addition of soap and/or solvent is done prior to the DI water rinsing. 73, Josh W6XU On 7/27/2016 11:15 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > circuit boards used to be washed with distilled water, maybe still are. From mail at cvkimball.com Wed Jul 27 15:53:14 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:53:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks, Bill. 1. The rig is a K3S(100)-F which I received last Tuesday, 19 July. It has both the antenna tuner and the general coverage option on the one and only receiver. 2. The rig has the antenna tuner and the dummy load is on antenna 2. It matches my existing K2/KAT/KPA connections, so I'm familiar with having 2 antennas. 3. As received the front panel and amplifier temperatures shown were 35C. The rig was much cooler than that, so I calibrated both temperatures with a room thermometer as described in the manual. 4. The voltage on the panel was 12.8V. It comes from a bank of 3 35A-h batteries and varies only slightly under load. 5. As suggested, I checked the PowerPoles and they're OK. Nothing in the operation is intermittant. I'm waiting on an RMA from Elecraft. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620783.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Jul 27 16:13:15 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:13:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <0360dba5-8fc8-ec9a-da1e-488c3e1e44ee@voodoolab.com> References: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> <0360dba5-8fc8-ec9a-da1e-488c3e1e44ee@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <31a24189-b448-c192-ca0b-e4ed625d44fb@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> In a production environment, acid flux is almost universal. Rosin flux requires solvents and the local air pollution cops watch you very closely. The solvents are more likely to damage components than water. A proper wave soldering system does a great job of displacing the flux, and water cleans the acid off very nicely. 73 -- Lynn On 7/27/2016 12:26 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > DI water is the standard, usually in a closed loop system. Most > process now use water soluble flux. If not, sometimes a wash with > addition of soap and/or solvent is done prior to the DI water rinsing. > > 73, > Josh W6XU From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Wed Jul 27 16:45:42 2016 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:45:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 Message-ID: Josh is exactly correct, DI is the standard. ? Surfactants are sometimes added to increase the wetting on the board and reduce the surface tension. I think that distilled water, under the right conditions is actually corrosive.? 73Gary K9GS -------- Original message -------- From: Josh Fiden Date: 07/27/2016 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 DI water is the standard, usually in a closed loop system. Most process now use water soluble flux. If not, sometimes a wash with addition of soap and/or solvent is done prior to the DI water rinsing. 73, Josh W6XU On 7/27/2016 11:15 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > circuit boards used to be washed with distilled water, maybe still are. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Wed Jul 27 16:50:33 2016 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:50:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 Message-ID: <31spf4oh2d53gfu2sy3fdxyx.1469652633039@email.android.com> Be careful using isopropyl alcohol. ? You don't want the dissolved Flux flowing inside switches and under components. ?Then the alcohol evaporates and the Flux stays inside. .not good. This is why the industry has largely switched to ?no clean flux. ?Just leave it alone. Of course you have to know what you're using.? 73Gary K9GS -------- Original message -------- From: Clay Autery Date: 07/27/2016 1:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 99% Isopropyl alcohol is the approved solvent for getting flux, et al off boards...? It evaps rapidly and is water soluble... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/27/2016 1:15 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > My S3-line acquired a chronic case of creeping fungus on the chassis > while packed up and stored in the Philippines for 4 years.? Returning > home, I took it to the DIY car wash a couple of times and then dried > it in the sun.? Seemed to work really well, except for the fungi > living in the IF cans.? YMMV, I won't be doing that to my K3 however. > > I'd be real wary of any kind of solvent(s), circuit boards used to be > washed with distilled water, maybe still are.? Here in No NV, our > humidity runs in the single digits in the summer, things dry in the > sun very fast. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 7/27/2016 9:16 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > >> NOT recommending this because it requires a great deal of >> care/experience, but I, as my OCD dictates, also clean individual >> circuit boards with 99% alcohol followed by hot water.? Water is bad >> juju in the wrong places and you absolutely MUST make sure that it is >> all removed (I use elevated temps in a low humidity environment) prior >> to reinstallation. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com From cautery at montac.com Wed Jul 27 17:11:12 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:11:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <31spf4oh2d53gfu2sy3fdxyx.1469652633039@email.android.com> References: <31spf4oh2d53gfu2sy3fdxyx.1469652633039@email.android.com> Message-ID: <4515a455-215c-96b2-2c18-7f99f19ce1ff@montac.com> As I originally said, "NOT recommending this because it requires a great deal of care/experience"... I use 99% Iso. Alcohol when necessary. And I'm not saying to flood the board with it. Also not saying to get it near enclosed components... One should use proper instruments and care when utilizing ANY solvent, TO INCLUDE water... which BTW, is the "universal solvent". 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/27/2016 3:50 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: > > Be careful using isopropyl alcohol. You don't want the dissolved Flux flowing inside switches and under components. Then the alcohol evaporates and the Flux stays inside. .not good. > This is why the industry has largely switched to no clean flux. Just leave it alone. > Of course you have to know what you're using. > > > > > 73Gary K9GS > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Clay Autery > Date: 07/27/2016 1:18 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 > > 99% Isopropyl alcohol is the approved solvent for getting flux, et al > off boards... It evaps rapidly and is water soluble... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 7/27/2016 1:15 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> My S3-line acquired a chronic case of creeping fungus on the chassis >> while packed up and stored in the Philippines for 4 years. Returning >> home, I took it to the DIY car wash a couple of times and then dried >> it in the sun. Seemed to work really well, except for the fungi >> living in the IF cans. YMMV, I won't be doing that to my K3 however. >> >> I'd be real wary of any kind of solvent(s), circuit boards used to be >> washed with distilled water, maybe still are. Here in No NV, our >> humidity runs in the single digits in the summer, things dry in the >> sun very fast. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> Sparks NV >> Washoe County DM09dn >> >> On 7/27/2016 9:16 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> >>> NOT recommending this because it requires a great deal of >>> care/experience, but I, as my OCD dictates, also clean individual >>> circuit boards with 99% alcohol followed by hot water. Water is bad >>> juju in the wrong places and you absolutely MUST make sure that it is >>> all removed (I use elevated temps in a low humidity environment) prior >>> to reinstallation. From gkidder at ilstu.edu Wed Jul 27 17:22:07 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:22:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: References: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> <477253dd-30c4-c248-5b98-3d995c33b6b8@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: Thanks, Don. Harder to implement, but safer. George On 7/27/2016 2:39 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > George, > > The K3/K3S does *not* inject an audio tone. > It shifts the transmit carrier by an amount equal to your sidetone pitch. > Lower if you are on LSB and higher if you are on USB. > > The effect is the same as adding a tone to a perfectly suppressed > carrier, but is guaranteed to be clean. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/27/2016 2:21 PM, George Kidder wrote: >> Another way to look at the use of CW in SSB mode on the K3: What I >> think the rig does when you hit the key is inject an audio tone at >> the CW offset frequency into the audio chain for the SSB signal. If >> all is clean and not distorted, the result will be a single RF >> frequency offset from the SSB "carrier", and will be receivable as >> such by a SSB receiver tuned to the SSB carrier frequency. >> >> If the K3/K3S doesn't actually generate an audio tone, it sure >> behaves like it. > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 18:09:37 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: References: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> <477253dd-30c4-c248-5b98-3d995c33b6b8@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <959054D5-51D2-476B-9124-C36CD80F1111@gmail.com> It's just a"few lines of code" ;) All done in DSP most likely. Simpler than doing the same thing in an analog radio. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 5:22 PM, George Kidder wrote: > > Thanks, Don. Harder to implement, but safer. > > George > > >> On 7/27/2016 2:39 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> George, >> >> The K3/K3S does *not* inject an audio tone. >> It shifts the transmit carrier by an amount equal to your sidetone pitch. >> Lower if you are on LSB and higher if you are on USB. >> >> The effect is the same as adding a tone to a perfectly suppressed carrier, but is guaranteed to be clean. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 7/27/2016 2:21 PM, George Kidder wrote: >>> Another way to look at the use of CW in SSB mode on the K3: What I think the rig does when you hit the key is inject an audio tone at the CW offset frequency into the audio chain for the SSB signal. If all is clean and not distorted, the result will be a single RF frequency offset from the SSB "carrier", and will be receivable as such by a SSB receiver tuned to the SSB carrier frequency. >>> >>> If the K3/K3S doesn't actually generate an audio tone, it sure behaves like it. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 27 18:18:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <4515a455-215c-96b2-2c18-7f99f19ce1ff@montac.com> References: <31spf4oh2d53gfu2sy3fdxyx.1469652633039@email.android.com> <4515a455-215c-96b2-2c18-7f99f19ce1ff@montac.com> Message-ID: <3cfb8835-3fd7-b733-b9d2-425fd463cb5d@embarqmail.com> You may want to note that Elecraft does not recommend cleaning flux at all. Those working in support and repair for the thru-hole legacy line may see a board we have to work on that is so covered with flux residue that it has to be removed. Even then, we work with cotton swabs in a small area at a time with 99% iso alcohol. I once had a K1 repair which had failed because the builder used something for a flux cleaner. The residue had crept under the ICs, R-Paks, other components and the connectors. After an extended repair time, it worked, but I heard a report about a year later that it stopped working again - I guess I did not remove enough components to clean under them! Rosin Flux is better left in place, it is non-conductive if let alone - but when attempts to remove the flux are used, the flux and cleaner will produce conductive paths - so if you do remove flux, remove it and its residue completely or you are likely to have trouble later. Use a solder with a mildly reactive rosin flux, Kester 285 is one of those. It does not leave much flux residue and does not need to be cleaned. Highly reactive flux solder (like the popular Kester 44) does leave a good deal of flux, but it too usually does not need to be cleaned. We have morphed the original question - which was about cleaning a K3 (of dust and dirt mainly), so further responses should change the subject line to something like 'cleaning flux from boards'. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/27/2016 5:11 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > As I originally said, "NOT recommending this because it requires a great > deal of > > care/experience"... > > I use 99% Iso. Alcohol when necessary. And I'm not saying to flood the board with it. Also not saying to get it near enclosed components... One should use proper instruments and care when utilizing ANY solvent, TO INCLUDE water... which BTW, is the "universal solvent". > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 27 18:23:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:23:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <959054D5-51D2-476B-9124-C36CD80F1111@gmail.com> References: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> <477253dd-30c4-c248-5b98-3d995c33b6b8@ilstu.edu> <959054D5-51D2-476B-9124-C36CD80F1111@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d22eb60-9f0a-1cde-10ab-d0e1453ec444@embarqmail.com> Actually, I believe the frequency shift is done in the MCU firmware. Control of the synthesizers is what is needed. Those "few lines of code" can be problematic (not with what is intended, but other aspects that it interfered with) - that is why the firmware is tested in-house (or by a few out-of-house field testers) before it is even released as a beta version. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/27/2016 6:09 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > It's just a"few lines of code" ;) > > All done in DSP most likely. Simpler than doing the same thing in an analog radio. > > Grant NQ5T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 5:22 PM, George Kidder wrote: >> >> Thanks, Don. Harder to implement, but safer. >> >> From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Jul 27 18:51:03 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:51:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <4515a455-215c-96b2-2c18-7f99f19ce1ff@montac.com> References: <31spf4oh2d53gfu2sy3fdxyx.1469652633039@email.android.com> <4515a455-215c-96b2-2c18-7f99f19ce1ff@montac.com> Message-ID: <4d7822cb-f09f-1501-bb0d-90113988f38a@triconet.org> I remember the good old days when it was rosin flux and Freon TF in a vapor degreaser :-) Then my employer (Hughes) invented "lemon juice" flux as we called it, and gave away the patent. On 7/27/2016 2:11 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > As I originally said, "NOT recommending this because it requires a great > deal of > > care/experience"... > > I use 99% Iso. Alcohol when necessary. And I'm not saying to flood the board with it. Also not saying to get it near enclosed components... One should use proper instruments and care when utilizing ANY solvent, TO INCLUDE water... which BTW, is the "universal solvent". > > 73, > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Jul 27 19:04:05 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:04:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2100 and KAT100 Question and a side note about Alaska In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201607272304.u6RN467s031155@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Ted, Can't tell you how often folks with lower-48 experience expect to take a vacation in late August or September during "the cooler sunny fall months". Maybe where you live its like that in August-September but in southcentral and southeast Alaska its time for the fall monsoons. Summer wx up here is great from mid-May to mid-July after which the wx shifts to the rainy season and temps drop. In parts of AK first frost arrives the third week of August and leaves start dropping. Our trees are bare by end of Sept. But the coastal climate from the Alaska Peninsula thru Anchorage - Prince William Sound down the SE coast is overcast rainy and 50-60F wx starting mid to end of July. Oh it stops raining about every 8-9th day so one can mow the lawn which has grown 6-8 inches in between "dry" days. We had a super nice summer this year with up into the 70's sunny and clear. But that is over now (except very occasional day or two thru fall until it snows (usually by Halloween). Except the last three winters have been unusually warm with above freezing temps and nearly no snow (I plowed only two time last winter). Normally we have 18-24 inches of snow cover all winter with temps down to -15F and a very few down to -25F (not seen in almost 8 years). Welcome to global warming! Not a theory up here. 73, Ed PS I've lived up here for 37 years so have seen the change. At 03:32 PM 7/26/2016, Dauer, Edward wrote: >snip------- > >Incidentally, in case Ed Cole, KL7UW, is reading the mail, I have >been cruising the inside passage for the past week, Sitka today and >heading for Anchorage two days from now. Is it always incessant >cold rain this time of year? Never mind sunspots; I have forgotten >what the sun looks like. Otherwise, beautiful territory. > >Ted, KN1CBR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From n7xy at n7xy.net Wed Jul 27 19:11:25 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Bioment 11.1V 2600 mAH battery pack In-Reply-To: <8B98E845-8273-48D9-88A5-359D0878E6E4@gmail.com> References: <88ca8a09-e274-b8a6-3d3e-c824e387f834@att.net> <8B98E845-8273-48D9-88A5-359D0878E6E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <994141ca-09c4-23d7-c3d8-cebcac3348b0@n7xy.net> Fortunately you can use the cheap batteries external to the KX2, connected by several hundred feet of wire. On 7/27/16 4:01 PM, Dkabell dkabell at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > I agree! I continue to be amazed to see discussions about cheap > battery solutions by people who have purchased relatively high cost > Elecraft products. This is especially true of batteries that one > might actually install in a premium Elecraft device, such as the > KX2. On the other hand, ham radio has always been about exploring all > options. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 26, 2016, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrjohnson45 at hotmail.com > [KX3] > wrote: > >> If you have never had lithium battery ?experience? you could have >> everything to lose. They are violent if you don?t have good >> batteries, charger and some knowledge, like read the directions. >> >> Bill >> >> K9YEQ >> >> *From:*KX3 at yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:KX3 at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Cupp >> w6cup at hotmail.com [KX3] >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 24, 2016 6:02 PM >> *To:* Hank Greeb > >> *Cc:* KX3 Yahoogroups > >> *Subject:* Re: [KX3] Bioment 11.1V 2600 mAH battery pack >> >> What do we got to lose Hank?? Tnx Charly >> >> Sent from my iPad Mini 64gig---(Life is too short to Fly Coach) >> >> >> On Jul 24, 2016, at 15:49, Hank Greeb n8xx at arrl.org >> [KX3] > > wrote: >> >> Charles: >> >> So, you want a form factor which will fit in the KX2? No >> guarantee this is the rock bottom price for the BIOMET form >> factor, and, no guarantee as to the reliability of the vendor, >> nor whether the insides of the pack are "really" up the the >> Biomet specifications, here's one which claims to be "BM-BAT-4 >> LS1865L220 3SIPMXZ for Bionet BM3 BM3 plus BM5" >> >> http://goo.gl/IIrCW2 >> >> It is listed @ $27.55 for an individual pack. Check shipping >> charges, says $7.90 to Michigan USPS >> >> Usual caveats apply: I've never dealt with any of this vendor, >> have no financial interest in whether it is legitimate or not, >> and have waived my "normal" $10,000 listing fee. >> 72/73 de n8xx Hg >> QRP >99.44% of the time >> >> On 7/24/2016 6:30 PM, Charles Cupp wrote: >> >> Problem is, won't fit inside a kx2. But ur right Hank, sure >> is cheap!-Charly >> >> Sent from my iPad Mini 64gig---(Life is too short to Fly Coach) >> > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: Dkabell > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? 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Terms > of Use > . > __,_._,___ From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 19:16:38 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:16:38 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR Message-ID: Hi All Yes this topic might be a little bit more complicated than the title suggest. So I have the KX3 plugged into the audio input of my computer, and its sending quadrature data (IQ) to the sound card, the sound card samples at 96Khz. So my question is how I process this? Yes I know use a piece of software, but I am trying to write this, I know the IQ data is coming through down and if I use the right process on the IQ data I get base band data out. I kind of know that however I dont understand the SDR data coming out, so for example and I getting sample of IQ data at freq point Y, or is it a circular buffer arrangement. I guess what I am saying is, is the IQ data coming from teh KX3 data from teh Centre Freq (+/-) the bandwith scope, or just the centre freq + some additional side bands? How are bandwith and sampling rate related? I mean if I am sampling at at 96Khz, with a band with of 48Khz does that mean I am only getting 2 samples per second at perticular freq??? Or am I getting the entire band of 48Khz at 96Khz. Regards From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Jul 27 19:41:52 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR Message-ID: Hi It's not that simple?Basically you take the I and q signals, sample them with the sound card, convert them to a complex number, pop them ?in a fast Fourier transform, do a rectangular to polar conversion and then calculate the magnitude in dBm. ?Then plot them. There's a few more nuances but that's the overall idea. Check out the free book on the Internet called the scientists guide to digital signal processing.73 Tom?va2fsq.com Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Enzo Adrian-Reyes Date: 2016-07-27 7:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR Hi All Yes this topic might be a little bit more complicated than the title suggest. So I have the KX3 plugged into the audio input of my computer, and its sending quadrature data (IQ) to the sound card, the sound card samples at 96Khz. So my question is how I process this? Yes I know use a piece of software, but I am trying to write this, I know the IQ data is coming through down and if I use the right process on the IQ data I get base band data out. I kind of know that however I dont understand the SDR data coming out, so for example and I getting sample of IQ data at freq point Y, or is it? a circular buffer arrangement. I guess what I am saying is, is the IQ data coming from teh KX3 data from teh Centre Freq (+/-) the bandwith scope, or just the centre freq + some additional side bands? How are bandwith and sampling rate related? I mean if I am sampling at at 96Khz, with a band with of 48Khz does that mean I am only getting 2 samples per second at perticular freq??? Or am I getting the entire band of 48Khz at 96Khz. Regards ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:04:20 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:04:20 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom I never thought it was simple :) I am just trying to understand what is going on, so given by what you've said I would push the IQ data coming from the KX3 into an FFT, that FFT would then produce the circular buffer that would let me analyse what signals are in that band? But this would be in the frequency domain then, however I am not interested in a band plot, I have a signal at Freq X, with the KX3 tuned at Y, (X=Y), would I have to still pump that IQ data into the FFT to filter all the other signals out, then inverse teh FFT to get the IQ data that I would want? Regards On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:41 AM, tomb18 wrote: > Hi It's not that simple > Basically you take the I and q signals, sample them with the sound card, > convert them to a complex number, pop them in a fast Fourier transform, do > a rectangular to polar conversion and then calculate the magnitude in dBm. > Then plot them. There's a few more nuances but that's the overall idea. > Check out the free book on the Internet called the scientists guide to > digital signal processing. > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Enzo Adrian-Reyes > Date: 2016-07-27 7:16 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Elecraft List > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR > > Hi All > > Yes this topic might be a little bit more complicated than the title > suggest. > > So I have the KX3 plugged into the audio input of my computer, and its > sending quadrature data (IQ) to the sound card, the sound card samples at > 96Khz. > > So my question is how I process this? Yes I know use a piece of software, > but I am trying to write this, I know the IQ data is coming through down > and if I use the right process on the IQ data I get base band data out. I > kind of know that however I dont understand the SDR data coming out, so for > example and I getting sample of IQ data at freq point Y, or is it a > circular buffer arrangement. > > I guess what I am saying is, is the IQ data coming from teh KX3 data from > teh Centre Freq (+/-) the bandwith scope, or just the centre freq + some > additional side bands? > > How are bandwith and sampling rate related? I mean if I am sampling at at > 96Khz, with a band with of 48Khz does that mean I am only getting 2 samples > per second at perticular freq??? Or am I getting the entire band of 48Khz > at 96Khz. > > Regards > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Jul 27 20:07:51 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> References: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> Message-ID: I read about guys whose rigs were flooded a few years back, and they washed them in water and dried them somehow. Said they worked fine after that. Hard to imagine though. Dick, n0ce On 7/27/2016 1:15 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > My S3-line acquired a chronic case of creeping fungus on the chassis > while packed up and stored in the Philippines for 4 years. Returning > home, I took it to the DIY car wash a couple of times and then dried > it in the sun. Seemed to work really well, except for the fungi > living in the IF cans. YMMV, I won't be doing that to my K3 however. > > I'd be real wary of any kind of solvent(s), circuit boards used to be > washed with distilled water, maybe still are. Here in No NV, our > humidity runs in the single digits in the summer, things dry in the > sun very fast. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:26:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:26:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are writing your own software, you will have to become proficient in Digital Signal Processing. The I and Q signals are simply baseband signals that are 90 degrees out of phase - by themselves, they will do nothing but audio signals, but with DSP processing, they can do most anything that is possible in the math of digital signals - limited only by your processing power and skills at DSP signal processing. Run them through FFT transforms to convert them to digital signals, and then do the math of your DSP algorithms to produce whatever you want - panadapter display, demodulation, etc. You can add filtering and other things like AGC, Noise Reduction, Noise Blanking, and a whole variety of effects. It is all in how you choose to implement you DSP mathematical functions. Rather than write your own, there are several DSP applications available for free or at nominal cost - try HDSDR or NaP3 or WIN4K3 as examples. Once you see what is happening with those applications, you may be moved to write your own DSP application to process the I and Q signals. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/27/2016 7:16 PM, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > Hi All > > Yes this topic might be a little bit more complicated than the title > suggest. > > So I have the KX3 plugged into the audio input of my computer, and its > sending quadrature data (IQ) to the sound card, the sound card samples at > 96Khz. > > So my question is how I process this? Yes I know use a piece of software, > but I am trying to write this, I know the IQ data is coming through down > and if I use the right process on the IQ data I get base band data out. I > kind of know that however I dont understand the SDR data coming out, so for > example and I getting sample of IQ data at freq point Y, or is it a > circular buffer arrangement. > > I guess what I am saying is, is the IQ data coming from teh KX3 data from > teh Centre Freq (+/-) the bandwith scope, or just the centre freq + some > additional side bands? > > How are bandwith and sampling rate related? I mean if I am sampling at at > 96Khz, with a band with of 48Khz does that mean I am only getting 2 samples > per second at perticular freq??? Or am I getting the entire band of 48Khz > at 96Khz. > > From eric at elecraft.com Wed Jul 27 20:26:56 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:26:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: References: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> Message-ID: <935d43ca-5d31-a57c-4278-f9bbda8772df@elecraft.com> Looks like we have beaten this one to death. ;-) Time to end the thread. In general, please self moderate (limiting the number of posts on a topic) and do not wait for me to jump in, as I can get busy or may be out of town when these long threads occur. 73, Eric Moderator (hopefully not for life!) /elecraft.com/ === On 7/27/2016 5:07 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I read about guys whose rigs were flooded a few years back, and they washed > them in water and dried them somehow. Said they worked fine after that. Hard > to imagine though. > > Dick, n0ce From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:38:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:38:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Cleaning a K3 In-Reply-To: References: <502ee577-e1bd-09bf-250a-aa4890bdd04b@montac.com> <4b9ff42a-5c65-dfe1-c989-31d9032cc161@foothill.net> Message-ID: <293d4151-5182-370a-f79d-226ff0346d88@embarqmail.com> Dick, That was possible, and done commonly back in the old days of vacuum tube gear with open inductors and not too much else to be harmed by the water (once dried out), it worked just fine as long as lubricants were added to things like capacitor shafts after the 'washing'. Today with ICs mounted to PC boards, and shielded inductors and other components that will not dry out readily, I do not recommend "washing" the PC boards. A cleaning with air may be helpful if there is a significant dust accumulation - I recently did that with my computer and it was successful - the computer was shutting down due to temperature. You may have to think of your K3 more like a computer if you consider the various cleaning methods. Use some common sense. Heat sinks can be washed if you take care to keep any attached electronics away from the water - thoughts like that can be beneficial when contemplating a "cleaning". 73, Don W3FPR On 7/27/2016 8:07 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I read about guys whose rigs were flooded a few years back, and they > washed them in water and dried them somehow. Said they worked fine > after that. Hard to imagine though. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/27/2016 1:15 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> My S3-line acquired a chronic case of creeping fungus on the chassis >> while packed up and stored in the Philippines for 4 years. Returning >> home, I took it to the DIY car wash a couple of times and then dried >> it in the sun. Seemed to work really well, except for the fungi >> living in the IF cans. YMMV, I won't be doing that to my K3 however. >> >> I'd be real wary of any kind of solvent(s), circuit boards used to be >> washed with distilled water, maybe still are. Here in No NV, our >> humidity runs in the single digits in the summer, things dry in the >> sun very fast. >> From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:43:00 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:43:00 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Yes, well I have used those in the past, hence my confusion, when I see bandwith of a SDR at lets say 24Khz and I am sampling at 48Khz. Does that mean I am sampling the whole bandwith of 24Khz centered on freq X, or am I a sampling some point Y at +/- from the center frequency. I am trying to design a digital mode, and while I do understand the concepts, could do it in GNU radio but it abstracts a lot of this away, and I would like to do this in C/C++ So before getting there I have to know what is going on, especially what data is coming from the device. Thinking about it yeah it would have to be a stream of IQ signals coming from the KX3 with a certain freq set, but I am guessing its in the time domain. Not at the freq domain? On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > If you are writing your own software, you will have to become proficient > in Digital Signal Processing. The I and Q signals are simply baseband > signals that are 90 degrees out of phase - by themselves, they will do > nothing but audio signals, but with DSP processing, they can do most > anything that is possible in the math of digital signals - limited only by > your processing power and skills at DSP signal processing. > > Run them through FFT transforms to convert them to digital signals, and > then do the math of your DSP algorithms to produce whatever you want - > panadapter display, demodulation, etc. You can add filtering and other > things like AGC, Noise Reduction, Noise Blanking, and a whole variety of > effects. It is all in how you choose to implement you DSP mathematical > functions. > > Rather than write your own, there are several DSP applications available > for free or at nominal cost - try HDSDR or NaP3 or WIN4K3 as examples. > Once you see what is happening with those applications, you may be moved > to write your own DSP application to process the I and Q signals. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 7/27/2016 7:16 PM, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> Yes this topic might be a little bit more complicated than the title >> suggest. >> >> So I have the KX3 plugged into the audio input of my computer, and its >> sending quadrature data (IQ) to the sound card, the sound card samples at >> 96Khz. >> >> So my question is how I process this? Yes I know use a piece of software, >> but I am trying to write this, I know the IQ data is coming through down >> and if I use the right process on the IQ data I get base band data out. I >> kind of know that however I dont understand the SDR data coming out, so >> for >> example and I getting sample of IQ data at freq point Y, or is it a >> circular buffer arrangement. >> >> I guess what I am saying is, is the IQ data coming from teh KX3 data from >> teh Centre Freq (+/-) the bandwith scope, or just the centre freq + some >> additional side bands? >> >> How are bandwith and sampling rate related? I mean if I am sampling at at >> 96Khz, with a band with of 48Khz does that mean I am only getting 2 >> samples >> per second at perticular freq??? Or am I getting the entire band of 48Khz >> at 96Khz. >> >> >> > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Jul 27 20:55:48 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:55:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR Message-ID: HiI have little experience in demodulation of the signals but I did do SSB and AM at one time. Basically once you have the samples in the fre1uency domain you will want to apply a bandpass filters and shift it down to baseband, ?do an inverse fft and then a Hilbert transform to demodulate the SSB signal.Again you best bet is the free online book I mention.73 Tom? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Enzo Adrian-Reyes Date: 2016-07-27 8:04 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tomb18 Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR Hi Tom I never thought it was simple :) I am just trying to understand what is going on, so given by what you've said I would push the IQ data coming from the KX3 into an FFT, that FFT would then produce the circular buffer ?that would ?let me analyse what signals are in that band? But this would be in the frequency domain then, however I am not interested in a band plot, ?I have a signal at Freq X, with the KX3 tuned at Y, (X=Y), would I have to still pump that IQ data into the FFT to filter all the other signals out, then inverse teh FFT to get the IQ data that I would want? Regards On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:41 AM, tomb18 wrote: Hi It's not that simple?Basically you take the I and q signals, sample them with the sound card, convert them to a complex number, pop them ?in a fast Fourier transform, do a rectangular to polar conversion and then calculate the magnitude in dBm.? Then plot them. There's a few more nuances but that's the overall idea. Check out the free book on the Internet called the scientists guide to digital signal processing.73 Tom?va2fsq.com Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Enzo Adrian-Reyes Date: 2016-07-27 7:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR Hi All Yes this topic might be a little bit more complicated than the title suggest. So I have the KX3 plugged into the audio input of my computer, and its sending quadrature data (IQ) to the sound card, the sound card samples at 96Khz. So my question is how I process this? Yes I know use a piece of software, but I am trying to write this, I know the IQ data is coming through down and if I use the right process on the IQ data I get base band data out. I kind of know that however I dont understand the SDR data coming out, so for example and I getting sample of IQ data at freq point Y, or is it? a circular buffer arrangement. I guess what I am saying is, is the IQ data coming from teh KX3 data from teh Centre Freq (+/-) the bandwith scope, or just the centre freq + some additional side bands? How are bandwith and sampling rate related? I mean if I am sampling at at 96Khz, with a band with of 48Khz does that mean I am only getting 2 samples per second at perticular freq??? Or am I getting the entire band of 48Khz at 96Khz. Regards ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:57:12 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31fe78f9-042d-4589-db55-a35074feff93@gmail.com> The signals at the IQ jack on the KX3 are analog, not digital. They are centered approximately 8 kHz away from the dial frequency as the KX3 uses an internal offset of 8 kHz. Depending on the firmware release and user settable options, that offset may be on either side of the center of the IQ audio. The rate at which you sample it in general will determine, and in any case will certainly limit, the maximum bandwidth you can digitize for further processing. Internally, the KX3 samples the analog IQ signals at 48 kHz. Externally you can sample at any rate you desire that your A/D (soundcard) will support, as long as you take into account anti-aliasing filtering and the bandwidth/response of the analog circuitry in the KX3 itself, and any similar limitations of the soundcard including its analog circuitry and the characteristics of its ADC. For example,many ADCs do noise shaping of their sampling systems to prefer 0 to 20 kHz at the expense of internal noise humps above 20 kHz. General information about the frequency rolloff of the KX3 analog IQ signals have been discussed here in the past, and I think (but have not checked) that they are in the Owner's Manual. You can also observe them, perhaps using your proposed soundcard and the tools that gnu radio provides for you to explore these topics. 73, Lyle KK7P On 7/27/16 5:43 PM, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > Hi > > Yes, well I have used those in the past, hence my confusion, when I see > bandwith of a SDR at lets say 24Khz > and I am sampling at 48Khz. Does that mean I am sampling the whole bandwith > of 24Khz centered on freq X, or > am I a sampling some point Y at +/- from the center frequency... From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Wed Jul 27 21:55:11 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:55:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1469670911508-7620805.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Enzo, I'd recommend that you look at some of the Raspberry Pi / Elecraft KX3 panadapters, http://twitter.com/giorgiofox/status/694969541521207296 https://github.com/Giorgiofox/panadapter 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SDR-tp7620795p7620805.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Wed Jul 27 22:38:31 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:38:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <959054D5-51D2-476B-9124-C36CD80F1111@gmail.com> References: <74CAEC5D-B198-442E-8CFC-7E12E2E75308@mac.com> <477253dd-30c4-c248-5b98-3d995c33b6b8@ilstu.edu> <959054D5-51D2-476B-9124-C36CD80F1111@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201d1e879$2168acd0$643a0670$@biz> Exactly Grant. Many of the early SSB rigs were basically SSB-only. So adding a tone to the SSB signal was the simplest way to send "cw". But the opposite sideband suppression is never perfect - too often far from it. That was no big deal back when over half of the signals on a "phone" band were 6 kHz wide AM signals. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:10 PM To: gkidder at ilstu.edu Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode It's just a"few lines of code" ;) All done in DSP most likely. Simpler than doing the same thing in an analog radio. Grant NQ5T From ka2rvo at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 23:26:17 2016 From: ka2rvo at gmail.com (James Austin) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:26:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another free online DSP book, that I stumbled upon this evening is Signal Processing for Communications. I have not gone much past the table of contents, but it looks interesting. http://www.signalprocessingforcommunications.org/ Jim KA2RVO On Wednesday, July 27, 2016, tomb18 wrote: > Hi It's not that simple Basically you take the I and q signals, sample > them with the sound card, convert them to a complex number, pop them in a > fast Fourier transform, do a rectangular to polar conversion and then > calculate the magnitude in dBm. Then plot them. There's a few more nuances > but that's the overall idea. Check out the free book on the Internet called > the scientists guide to digital signal processing.73 Tom va2fsq.com > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Enzo Adrian-Reyes < > enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com > Date: 2016-07-27 7:16 PM > (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft List > > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR > Hi All > > Yes this topic might be a little bit more complicated than the title > suggest. > > So I have the KX3 plugged into the audio input of my computer, and its > sending quadrature data (IQ) to the sound card, the sound card samples at > 96Khz. > > So my question is how I process this? Yes I know use a piece of software, > but I am trying to write this, I know the IQ data is coming through down > and if I use the right process on the IQ data I get base band data out. I > kind of know that however I dont understand the SDR data coming out, so for > example and I getting sample of IQ data at freq point Y, or is it a > circular buffer arrangement. > > I guess what I am saying is, is the IQ data coming from teh KX3 data from > teh Centre Freq (+/-) the bandwith scope, or just the centre freq + some > additional side bands? > > How are bandwith and sampling rate related? I mean if I am sampling at at > 96Khz, with a band with of 48Khz does that mean I am only getting 2 samples > per second at perticular freq??? Or am I getting the entire band of 48Khz > at 96Khz. > > Regards > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka2rvo at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Jul 28 03:53:01 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 23:53:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs Message-ID: <201607280753.u6S7r11I023547@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> First off, my thanks for all the suggestions from several people. Here is how I make my QSL's: 1. The photo is opened with Paint (it is found by clicking "START" then clicking "ALL PROGRAMS" and a dialog window opens which I click accessories and click Paint. 2. I use text from Paint to add lettering on the image; be sure to click transparent text else the test window will produce a white rectangle within which the test is inserted. Word Art is also handy. 3. Once I have the photos with added text set up I save the file. 4. Next I open MSWord and insert the photo, sizing it so four images fit a 11-1/2 by 8 inch page; select Landscape format for this. You just insert the image four times resizing to fit after each one is open. 5. I use MSWord to produce the back side text and save it under a different file name. 6.Then I use a plain sheet of paper to test print the cards; you may need to move the images on the MSWord document in order to align well for using 4 segment card stock. 7. One side of the card is printed using the image file; then I open the text side and print the backside of the cards 8. Take note of how to insert the unprinted card stock so you print on the blank side and not on the side that was already printed. 9. Separate the individual cards using the perforated lines on the card stock. Hopefully you have a little art sense for layout of your cards. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Jul 28 05:38:19 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 02:38:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Center/Top Spectrum Frequency Stays Zero? Message-ID: <1469698699642-7620808.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi All, Just setting up my new K3S/P3 w/SVGA/TXMON. At the center/top of the P3 spectrum display, the manuals show a frequency, but mine just stays 0 (zero). Must be I'm missing how to change that? Otherwise, I see spectra and waterfalls. Thanks, 73s, Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Center-Top-Spectrum-Frequency-Stays-Zero-tp7620808.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 28 07:47:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:47:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Center/Top Spectrum Frequency Stays Zero? In-Reply-To: <1469698699642-7620808.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469698699642-7620808.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48232919-8f47-65c0-402b-24eaf26ebe0e@embarqmail.com> Bret, Do you have the RJ-45 plugged completely into the K3S? Push on the cable (not the hood) until you hear a click - or pull back the hood and push directly on the plug, again until it clicks. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/28/2016 5:38 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > Hi All, > > Just setting up my new K3S/P3 w/SVGA/TXMON. At the center/top of the P3 > spectrum display, the manuals show a frequency, but mine just stays 0 > (zero). Must be I'm missing how to change that? Otherwise, I see spectra and > waterfalls. > From cbjesseenh at comcast.net Thu Jul 28 07:53:06 2016 From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Center/Top Spectrum Frequency Stays Zero? In-Reply-To: <48232919-8f47-65c0-402b-24eaf26ebe0e@embarqmail.com> References: <1469698699642-7620808.post@n2.nabble.com> <48232919-8f47-65c0-402b-24eaf26ebe0e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <952097939.15051927.1469706786022.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From bob at hogbytes.com Thu Jul 28 07:58:47 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 04:58:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1469707127178-7620811.post@n2.nabble.com> Also be aware that many PC's ( especially laptops) do not have stereo line -in jacks. There is an excellent program written for the BeagleBone Black that does a Panadapter for the KX3. You can find it here. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QST/This%20Month%20in%20QST/April%202014/Ewing.pdf -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SDR-tp7620795p7620811.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4sc at windstream.net Thu Jul 28 08:02:45 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Center/Top Spectrum Frequency Stays Zero? Message-ID: <3256CC0F2D8B41CEA4B65A8B89799FF4@z22z28> I had this issue also. The ?0? reading appeared after making and saving a couple of screen captures. Recycling the power on the P3 did not correct. Closing the ?COMM PORT? and reopening did correct it. I have had other issues with this connection to the P3 through the K3S USB connection. Ben W4SC From k4zrj at icloud.com Thu Jul 28 08:52:23 2016 From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Center/Top Spectrum Frequency Stays Zero? In-Reply-To: <3256CC0F2D8B41CEA4B65A8B89799FF4@z22z28> References: <3256CC0F2D8B41CEA4B65A8B89799FF4@z22z28> Message-ID: Same exact issue here. The P3 screen also became slow to refresh, like once every 5 seconds. Turn K3 and P3 off/on solved the issue. This only happened after a screen capture. Charles, K4ZRJ > On Jul 28, 2016, at 8:02 AM, w4sc wrote: > > I had this issue also. The ?0? reading appeared after making and saving a couple of screen captures. Recycling the power on the P3 did not correct. Closing the ?COMM PORT? and reopening did correct it. I have had other issues with this connection to the P3 through the K3S USB connection. > > Ben W4SC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4zrj at icloud.com From pa3a at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 28 09:18:24 2016 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:18:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: NAP3 + Softrock IF + built-in stereo line in (96kHz samplerate) is best bang for the buck if you want to see the band, point & click and solid integration with K3 and other software. The combo here is: - software: N1MM logger + NAP3 + LP-bridge - hardware: Softrock-IF, built-in soundcard on 5 year old laptop (can run at 192kHz) or back in the shack an 8 yr old vista-Dell with $50 soundcard. Use the point and click when scanning the band and looking for certain stations or QRM free frequencies. 73 Arie PA3A From btippett at alum.mit.edu Thu Jul 28 11:19:29 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:19:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <1469719169708-7620815.post@n2.nabble.com> Jim Hoge-2 wrote > Can anything besides the P3 be used to point and click for QSY? If you want to point and click to EXACT frequencies, I recommend CW Skimmer with LP-PAN. Skimmer is the only SDR program I'm aware of that calculates exact frequencies for its decoder dots. When properly set up (which takes some doing), you can dead zero beat decoder dots simply by clicking them. This was one of my gripes about the P3. It's difficult to position the cursor exactly and then press the knob without applying any torque which will slightly shift the frequency. Another useful feature of Skimmer in large pileups is its "599" function. You can watch the display for a magenta 599 to appear and then click to the exact frequency of the last station worked. I've worked stations in very large pileups without ever actually listening to the pileup itself. I do dial in a small XIT offset so that I'm not dead zero beat with others using the same technique. For determining the pattern that the DX is using to work the pileup, it's simply a matter of watching the 599s to appear to see whether the DX op is working up the band, down the band (and by how much) or random tuning. Here's a recent post about how to do this (note that a KRX3 is required) including a link to the Skimmer page which showing the 599 function in a very large pileup: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Now-that-the-K-Pod-is-shipping-we-could-use-your-help-with-useful-macros-td7619773.html#a7619780 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/comparing-P3-LP-Pan-SDRPlay-others-tp7620757p7620815.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 11:46:24 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:46:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: References: <31fe78f9-042d-4589-db55-a35074feff93@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I was thinking of the KX2 which always has the IF shift enabled. In a KX3, the center of the IQ stream is approximately the dial setting. I say approximately because some modes (AM, FM) or submodes (narrow SSB using Weaver demodulation) there may be some offset regardless of the setting of IF shift. Thank you for your careful reading, Greg! 73, Lyle KK7P >> The signals at the IQ jack on the KX3 are analog, not digital. They >> are centered approximately 8 kHz away from the dial frequency as the >> KX3 uses an internal offset of 8 kHz. Depending on the firmware >> release and user settable options, that offset may be on either side >> of the center of the IQ audio. > Do you mean always 8 kHz off, or is this only if the IF shift is > enabled? I would expect a 0 offset without that. > From rv6amark at yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 11:44:01 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:44:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? Message-ID: Re:?If you want to point and click to EXACT frequencies, I recommend CW Skimmer Both CA Skimmer and Rocky have this feature. ?All you need to do is click within a pixel or two of the desired signal and it pulls the frequency to zero beat the signal. ?I have only used it on CW, so I don't know if it works for other modes. ?It is similar to the CWT function. If the P3 and PX3 don't have this feature, they should! ?It would complement the "Elecraft Quality" that they build into their radios. ? Mark, ? KE6BB From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 28 11:46:59 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: <1469707127178-7620811.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469707127178-7620811.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6a14cd07-6b35-408d-aac5-c8fb40627fad@socal.rr.com> I built that one using a Raspberry Pi a couple of years ago, pre-PX3. Worked fine for what it is, but ergonomics are not even close to that of a PX3. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/28/16 4:58 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > Also be aware that many PC's ( especially laptops) do not have stereo line > -in jacks. There is an excellent program written for the BeagleBone Black > that does a Panadapter for the KX3. You can find it here. > http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QST/This%20Month%20in%20QST/April%202014/Ewing.pdf > > > From btippett at alum.mit.edu Thu Jul 28 12:12:59 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:12:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <1469722379234-7620819.post@n2.nabble.com> Elecraft mailing list wrote > Re:?If you want to point and click to EXACT frequencies, I recommend CW > Skimmer > > Both CA Skimmer and Rocky have this feature. ?All you need to do is click > within a pixel or two of the desired signal and it pulls the frequency to > zero beat the signal. ?I have only used it on CW, so I don't know if it > works for other modes. ?It is similar to the CWT function. As I said "Skimmer is the only SDR program I'm aware of that calculates exact frequencies for its decoder dots" and I haven't researched newer programs since 2011, so there are probably others now. BTW your comment assumes the calling station in question is still there for CWT-like behavior to work. The 599 function will send the K3 to the frequency of the *last* station worked in the pileup, even though he's probably no longer transmitting. Here's another neat thing you can do with Skimmer and a script to control it via a mouse wheel. I use the wheel to quickly tune up or down the band in contests. No need to mess with carefully positioning a mouse, pressing a knob, etc. Note that this is Blind Skimmer mode (no callsign decoding) which is legal for unassisted contest categories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZDXuOgUQJ0 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/comparing-P3-LP-Pan-SDRPlay-others-tp7620757p7620819.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k3ndm at comcast.net Thu Jul 28 12:23:43 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:23:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1469722379234-7620819.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I use Win4K3 with CW Simmer. I can see what the band looks like in the spectrum display in Win4K3 and refine my selection and decode call signs for 1/2 the sampling rate of my sound card in CW Skimmer. Together they are a powerful combination. Both control the frequency tuning of your radio. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bill W4ZV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 7/28/2016 12:12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? >Elecraft mailing list wrote >> Re: If you want to point and click to EXACT frequencies, I recommend >>CW >> Skimmer >> >> Both CA Skimmer and Rocky have this feature. All you need to do is >>click >> within a pixel or two of the desired signal and it pulls the >>frequency to >> zero beat the signal. I have only used it on CW, so I don't know if >>it >> works for other modes. It is similar to the CWT function. > >As I said "Skimmer is the only SDR program I'm aware of that calculates >exact frequencies for its decoder dots" and I haven't researched newer >programs since 2011, so there are probably others now. > >BTW your comment assumes the calling station in question is still there >for >CWT-like behavior to work. The 599 function will send the K3 to the >frequency of the *last* station worked in the pileup, even though he's >probably no longer transmitting. > >Here's another neat thing you can do with Skimmer and a script to >control it >via a mouse wheel. I use the wheel to quickly tune up or down the band >in >contests. No need to mess with carefully positioning a mouse, pressing >a >knob, etc. Note that this is Blind Skimmer mode (no callsign decoding) >which is legal for unassisted contest categories. > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZDXuOgUQJ0 > >73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/comparing-P3-LP-Pan-SDRPlay-others-tp7620757p7620819.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From tomb18 at videotron.ca Thu Jul 28 12:40:52 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? Message-ID: HiWin4K3Suite can also qsy cwskimmer on VFOB allowing split operation which is great for pileup. ?Cwskimmer alone does not have this functionality.?73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Barry LaZar Date: 2016-07-28 12:23 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Bill W4ZV , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? I use Win4K3 with CW Simmer. I can see what the band looks like in the spectrum display in Win4K3 and refine my selection and decode call signs for 1/2 the sampling rate of my sound card in CW Skimmer. Together they are a powerful combination. Both control the frequency tuning of your radio. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bill W4ZV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 7/28/2016 12:12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? >Elecraft mailing list wrote >>? Re: If you want to point and click to EXACT frequencies, I recommend >>CW >>? Skimmer >> >>? Both CA Skimmer and Rocky have this feature.? All you need to do is >>click >>? within a pixel or two of the desired signal and it pulls the >>frequency to >>? zero beat the signal.? I have only used it on CW, so I don't know if >>it >>? works for other modes.? It is similar to the CWT function. > >As I said "Skimmer is the only SDR program I'm aware of that calculates >exact frequencies for its decoder dots" and I haven't researched newer >programs since 2011, so there are probably others now. > >BTW your comment assumes the calling station in question is still there >for >CWT-like behavior to work.? The 599 function will send the K3 to the >frequency of the *last* station worked in the pileup, even though he's >probably no longer transmitting. > >Here's another neat thing you can do with Skimmer and a script to >control it >via a mouse wheel.? I use the wheel to quickly tune up or down the band >in >contests.? No need to mess with carefully positioning a mouse, pressing >a >knob, etc.? Note that this is Blind Skimmer mode (no callsign decoding) >which is legal for unassisted contest categories. > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZDXuOgUQJ0 > >73,? Bill? W4ZV > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/comparing-P3-LP-Pan-SDRPlay-others-tp7620757p7620819.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From dhandzic at plantron.se Thu Jul 28 12:50:06 2016 From: dhandzic at plantron.se (Dirk Handzic) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:50:06 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier Message-ID: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier? I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144 and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers? -- 73, Dirk SA4DHT From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Jul 28 13:09:26 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:09:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> Message-ID: <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,7/28/2016 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic wrote: > Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier? My neighbor W6GJB and I both have K3s with Elecraft 2m transverters. His is internal, mine is external (I've owned it for more than ten years). Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30 year old) brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of about 150W. They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made during the 70s and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were built in Northern California. They also made versions of these amps that required higher drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they also made versions for 440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use with the FM rig in my shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ. We found four of these vintage amps in good condition in a few days simply by asking on two local club reflectors. I don't remember what we paid, but I do know that we considered them a bargain. :) Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat. 73, Jim K9YC From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com Thu Jul 28 13:30:41 2016 From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:30:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> Message-ID: I've used mine with the Mirage B-320-G quite a lot. It works great, both FM and SSB with no issues. I've also used it with a little Tokyo Hi-Power 35 watt amp and had no issues, either. There really isn't anything complicated about getting the KX3 2m going with any amplifier - just make sure the one you choose will deliver the power you're looking for with 3 watts or less input. Tim AE6LX On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic wrote: > Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier? > I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144 > and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does > anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers? > -- > 73, Dirk SA4DHT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com > -- Owner, worldwidedx.com AE6LX, Amateur Radio From btippett at alum.mit.edu Thu Jul 28 13:39:03 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:39:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <1469727543846-7620825.post@n2.nabble.com> >HiWin4K3Suite can also qsy cwskimmer on VFOB allowing split operation which is great for pileup. Cwskimmer alone does not have this functionality. True. However if you have a KRX3, CW Skimmer can use VFOA for TX/RX pileup and VFOB for RX DX frequency *without any other program needed*. Since I already have a KRX3 (necessary for diversity), I created a simple Macro to program VFOA for TX and VFOB for RX (see my previously referenced link for the Macro) allowing Skimmer to jump the TX frequency to Skimmer's 599 decoder dots. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/comparing-P3-LP-Pan-SDRPlay-others-tp7620757p7620825.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at comcast.net Thu Jul 28 14:08:15 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:08:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <1469727543846-7620825.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> <1469727543846-7620825.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <579A4A0F.9090303@comcast.net> If you have SKIMMER on the subrx's IF, you also need a different RIG file for SKIMMER to do this. It's really neat though. Send SKIMMER spots to the logging program. Click on them there and VFO A goes to the spot. Click on spot in SKIMMER and VFO B goes to the spot. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 7/28/2016 17:39 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: >> HiWin4K3Suite can also qsy cwskimmer on VFOB allowing split operation which > is great for pileup. Cwskimmer alone does not have this functionality. > > True. However if you have a KRX3, CW Skimmer can use VFOA for TX/RX pileup > and VFOB for RX DX frequency *without any other program needed*. Since I > already have a KRX3 (necessary for diversity), I created a simple Macro to > program VFOA for TX and VFOB for RX (see my previously referenced link for > the Macro) allowing Skimmer to jump the TX frequency to Skimmer's 599 > decoder dots. > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/comparing-P3-LP-Pan-SDRPlay-others-tp7620757p7620825.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From cautery at montac.com Thu Jul 28 14:20:34 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:20:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <6a4f012a-82fd-a44e-6cf8-0b2d7e612269@montac.com> I need one of those... Adding 2m as soon as I can. Can you give me some better info on that low drive unit, Jim? Bet one of the guys around here has one they aren't using... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/28/2016 12:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,7/28/2016 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic wrote: >> Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external >> amplifier? > > My neighbor W6GJB and I both have K3s with Elecraft 2m transverters. > His is internal, mine is external (I've owned it for more than ten > years). Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30 > year old) brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of > about 150W. They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made > during the 70s and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were > built in Northern California. They also made versions of these amps > that required higher drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they > also made versions for 440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use > with the FM rig in my shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ. > We found four of these vintage amps in good condition in a few days > simply by asking on two local club reflectors. I don't remember what > we paid, but I do know that we considered them a bargain. :) > > Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft > transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run > the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From cowchip at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 28 14:30:47 2016 From: cowchip at ca.rr.com (Don Minkoff) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:30:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 For Sale Message-ID: <08abb6fb-8c3f-cedb-3a6f-11ea985b517f@ca.rr.com> I hate to sell anything. Especially a radio I built and have enjoyed for all these years. Professionally built. I also hate that I do not use it anymore. I would like to see it go to a good home and and get used once again. Worked many a Fox while on vacation and used a few times on SOTA activations. I have all documents and manuals. There is no back light. Can be added. For Sale Elecraft K1 4 band plus extra 2 band module missing 20 m xtal) (20-40M) Professionally built. Ser. No 844. Includes the following: KTS1 wide range tild stand (no longer available from Elecraft) KFL1-4 four band filter board 40-30-20 and 15M. (No longer available from Elecraft). KBT1 internal battery adapter plus original top and speaker KAT1 auto antenna tuner KNB1 Noise Blanker Built for the lower 80 Khz. Run up to 7 W out. Pictures available . Asking $450. Paypal add 3%. USPS check OK. I will ship USPS insured. Don, NK6A Los Angeles From pbsbarry at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 28 14:36:51 2016 From: pbsbarry at buffalo.edu (pbsbarry) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:36:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod PTT emulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75ccd1dcafe670c3cb57f94fe8548604@buffalo.edu> Have any of you clever Elecrafters figured out a macro to emulate a true PTT function (push ptt on, release, off) for the k-pod function switches? Any ideas? Steve, AE2G From bob at hogbytes.com Thu Jul 28 15:04:03 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:04:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SDR In-Reply-To: <6a14cd07-6b35-408d-aac5-c8fb40627fad@socal.rr.com> References: <1469707127178-7620811.post@n2.nabble.com> <6a14cd07-6b35-408d-aac5-c8fb40627fad@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1469732643994-7620830.post@n2.nabble.com> Did not mean to imply that the Raspbery Pi or BBB panadpater was anywhere close to the PX3, but that looking at the code could help with OP's original question. Built mine while waiting for PX3 and yes they are day and night re functionality and ease of use. I love my PX3 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SDR-tp7620795p7620830.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 15:08:41 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <6a4f012a-82fd-a44e-6cf8-0b2d7e612269@montac.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <6a4f012a-82fd-a44e-6cf8-0b2d7e612269@montac.com> Message-ID: <1669034154.5903506.1469732921166.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Any of the older ones rated at less than 10 watt in and a linear version not Class C will be fine.? I have used the KLM, Mirage and TPL units with success on two meters with various rigs both FM and SSB.? There are quite a few on the used market, just make sure it still works as advertised for rated output.? Good luck. Mel, K6KBE One of the founders of KLM Electronics From: Clay Autery To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier I need one of those...? Adding 2m as soon as I can. Can you give me some better info on that low drive unit, Jim?? Bet one of the guys around here has one they aren't using... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/28/2016 12:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,7/28/2016 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic wrote: >> Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external >> amplifier? > > My neighbor W6GJB and I both have K3s with Elecraft 2m transverters. > His is internal, mine is external (I've owned it for more than ten > years). Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30 > year old) brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of > about 150W. They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made > during the 70s and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were > built in Northern California. They also made versions of these amps > that required higher drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they > also made versions for 440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use > with the FM rig in my shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ. > We found four of these vintage amps in good condition in a few days > simply by asking on two local club reflectors. I don't remember what > we paid, but I do know that we considered them a bargain. :) > > Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft > transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run > the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From josh at voodoolab.com Thu Jul 28 15:33:32 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:33:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> I've been very happy with a vintage RF Concepts 2-417. It's rated for 170W out with 45W drive. However, I used it very successfully driving it from my TH-F6A 5W HT. I never measured the output with that drive, but it was clearly considerable. Also, the preamp is quite good. These are readily available used, best guess is price around $175-250 for one in good condx. 73, Josh W6XU From pincon at erols.com Thu Jul 28 15:58:56 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> My TE Systems 1452G amp puts out a tad under 400 watts with 4 watts drive. AND it is biased for linear service. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Josh Fiden Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:34 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier I've been very happy with a vintage RF Concepts 2-417. It's rated for 170W out with 45W drive. However, I used it very successfully driving it from my TH-F6A 5W HT. I never measured the output with that drive, but it was clearly considerable. Also, the preamp is quite good. These are readily available used, best guess is price around $175-250 for one in good condx. 73, Josh W6XU ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Jul 28 16:59:02 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:59:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> Message-ID: I have a 2M amp about 80 watts from Edward R Cole, KL6UW. I drive it with my 5W HT. It seems to work well, although I just got it working a month or so ago and have been away most of the time since. Note that Ed will set it up for the drive level you need. Pluses: Solidly built. Automatic T/R switching, or by control wire. Minuses: Little/no protective circuity. Class A so it draws a lot of power with no input. I built mine as a kit and it was a fun build. Since I was an early adopter, I asked Ed a lot of questions and got very useful support throughout the process. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/28/16 at 9:50 AM, dhandzic at plantron.se (Dirk Handzic) wrote: >Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier? >I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144 >and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does >anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Jul 28 17:10:57 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:10:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <1669034154.5903506.1469732921166.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <6a4f012a-82fd-a44e-6cf8-0b2d7e612269@montac.com> <1669034154.5903506.1469732921166.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42a5c181-5615-5ebe-996a-67cb63b78b65@triconet.org> K6PF on the CADXA Yahoo group is advertising (among other things) . TE Systems 1410-G for 2m. Xlnt condx. 10W in / 160W out. Will drive above 8877 HPA to legal limit pwr output with abt 7W. Has built-in preamp. Includes manual & schematic. Asking $225. On 7/28/2016 12:08 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Any of the older ones rated at less than 10 watt in and a linear version not Class C will be fine. I have used the KLM, Mirage and TPL units with success on two meters with various rigs both FM and SSB. There are quite a few on the used market, just make sure it still works as advertised for rated output. > > Good luck. > Mel, K6KBE > One of the founders of KLM Electronics From josh at voodoolab.com Thu Jul 28 17:12:59 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> Message-ID: <6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> Difficult to power, need a stiff supply that does 60A. Great amp but know what you're getting into. 73, Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > My TE Systems 1452G amp puts out a tad under 400 watts with 4 watts drive. > AND it is biased for linear service. > From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 18:04:24 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 22:04:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: <579A4A0F.9090303@comcast.net> References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> <1469727543846-7620825.post@n2.nabble.com> <579A4A0F.9090303@comcast.net> Message-ID: I used a Softrock and a Xonar U7 USB sound card for awhile til I got my P3. I tried a few different SDR software packages, which each had their pros and cons. Now that I have a P3, my Softrock and U7 are for sale. The Softrock I have is overkill for a panadapter - it's a RXTX Ensemble in a KM5H case, when all that's really needed is a receive-only unit. The U7 is about 6 months old- I only bought it to see more of the band at once. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list at W0ZF at ARRL.NET. On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 1:08 PM brian wrote: > If you have SKIMMER on the subrx's IF, you also need a different RIG > file for SKIMMER to do this. > > It's really neat though. Send SKIMMER spots to the logging program. > Click on them there and VFO A goes to the spot. Click on spot in > SKIMMER and VFO B goes to the spot. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 7/28/2016 17:39 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > >> HiWin4K3Suite can also qsy cwskimmer on VFOB allowing split operation > which > > is great for pileup. Cwskimmer alone does not have this functionality. > > > > True. However if you have a KRX3, CW Skimmer can use VFOA for TX/RX > pileup > > and VFOB for RX DX frequency *without any other program needed*. Since I > > already have a KRX3 (necessary for diversity), I created a simple Macro > to > > program VFOA for TX and VFOB for RX (see my previously referenced link > for > > the Macro) allowing Skimmer to jump the TX frequency to Skimmer's 599 > > decoder dots. > > > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/comparing-P3-LP-Pan-SDRPlay-others-tp7620757p7620825.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Jul 28 18:28:36 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:28:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] comparing P3, LP-Pan, SDRPlay, others? In-Reply-To: References: <1562ce36d50-6a6c-113cf@webprd-m06.mail.aol.com> <1469727543846-7620825.post@n2.nabble.com> <579A4A0F.9090303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9aec177a-5770-34c7-8c93-c4bc3871e1c2@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,7/28/2016 3:04 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote: > U7 are for sale. The U7 also makes a great audio interface between computer and radio. If you don't already have a good one, you might consider hanging onto it for when you work RTTY, PSK, JT65, etc. It is, for example, far superior to a SignaLink USB and the sound cards built into most laptops, to the extent that the U7 provides much better decoding of weak signals. If you own a K3S, or have added the KIO3B to your K3, you don't need the U7. :) 73, Jim K9YC From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Thu Jul 28 18:47:31 2016 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 23:47:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0b18e02e-75c6-20d2-075a-fabd7c252010@g3ysx.org.uk> I had not realized it could do this. As was said this is a real boon for VHF contesters where you really want to leave the dial fixed and continue to receive SSB, but need to complete the exchange in CW when you get QSB. However I cannot find any reference in the manual - how do you enable this, or is it just there all along? 73 Stewart/G3YSX From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:06:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:06:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitting CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: <0b18e02e-75c6-20d2-075a-fabd7c252010@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <0b18e02e-75c6-20d2-075a-fabd7c252010@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: <285e6436-a3b6-0415-f2bf-4cc94388c78a@embarqmail.com> Stewart, It is not in the early manuals since it was not available then. Look in the new manual (I am looking at D10) which you can download from the Elecraft website. See page 55, the CW WGHT description. Also see page 36 SPLIT and Cross-Mode Operation. If you look in past firmware release notes, you will see it described in the release that included this function. It is a good idea to review the firmware release notes when new firmware is announced. If you want the function mentioned, download that firmware (or a later level). 73, Don W3FPR On 7/28/2016 6:47 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > I had not realized it could do this. As was said this is a real boon > for VHF contesters where you really want to leave the dial fixed and > continue to receive SSB, but need to complete the exchange in CW when > you get QSB. > > However I cannot find any reference in the manual - how do you enable > this, or is it just there all along? From KD8RQE at aol.com Thu Jul 28 19:18:24 2016 From: KD8RQE at aol.com (KD8RQE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:18:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier Message-ID: <299fb7.1ac608ce.44cbecbf@aol.com> Ed, KL7UW, built me a nice 80w 2m amp for less than $400. http://www.kl7uw.com Mike In a message dated 7/28/2016 12:54:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dhandzic at plantron.se writes: Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier? I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144 and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers? -- 73, Dirk SA4DHT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kd8rqe at aol.com From Robin at rmoseley.co.uk Thu Jul 28 19:33:40 2016 From: Robin at rmoseley.co.uk (Robin Moseley) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 00:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <299fb7.1ac608ce.44cbecbf@aol.com> References: <299fb7.1ac608ce.44cbecbf@aol.com> Message-ID: Get a Gemini SSPA http://www.linamp.co.uk/gemini_2.html Robin G1MHU From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com Thu Jul 28 20:00:09 2016 From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:00:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> <6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: Not difficult to power, at all. Just buy two of these 50 amp units and run them in parallel. I've personally tested these in my shack and they work great. No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run. And they're made right here in California: http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/ On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Josh wrote: > Difficult to power, need a stiff supply that does 60A. Great amp but know > what you're getting into. > > 73, > Josh W6XU > > Sent from my mobile device > > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > > > My TE Systems 1452G amp puts out a tad under 400 watts with 4 watts > drive. > > AND it is biased for linear service. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com > -- Owner, worldwidedx.com AE6LX, Amateur Radio From larrydwarner at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 20:04:56 2016 From: larrydwarner at gmail.com (Larry D. Warner) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:04:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Great KX3/PX3 Covers Message-ID: <0cd801d1e92c$d742b100$85c81300$@gmail.com> I just received my new Ultimate Combination Kit for the KX3/PX3 this week. Installed easier than I thought and it looks and works great. I appreciate all the time Scott invests in quality product. It shows. I ordered in December but he was having problems with production and new molds. These covers are well worth the wait. Now I'm anxiously waiting for the new KX3 mount he is designing. I highly recommend all his products. Regards, Larry KG7ZSB You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- John Wooden From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Jul 28 20:34:46 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:34:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> <6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <7ebba8b1-89eb-9880-b350-e491543ac0c6@audiosystemsgroup.com> On the recommendation of someone on this list, about a year ago I bought one of the 350-12 units. It came with no documentation, and no certification of compliance with anything. It is VERY NOISY, and nothing I have tried has been able to make a dent in the noise. Multiple chokes on AC, multiple chokes on DC, and bypass caps on both AC and DC. It's currently sitting on the shelf in my store room. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote: > Not difficult to power, at all. Just buy two of these 50 amp units and run > them in parallel. I've personally tested these in my shack and they work > great. No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run. And > they're made right here in California: > > http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/ From cautery at montac.com Thu Jul 28 20:42:34 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <7ebba8b1-89eb-9880-b350-e491543ac0c6@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> <6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> <7ebba8b1-89eb-9880-b350-e491543ac0c6@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim... I was going to try one of those to test the claims made... Even had someone offer to pay me my cost +$10 if I decided I didn't want it after testing... The business owner claims they are "quiet" and says there are "counterfeits" being passed off as "his" power supplies. Really would be nice to have a SMPS that was quiet, modular, and able to be put in parallel for more power out... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/28/2016 7:34 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On the recommendation of someone on this list, about a year ago I > bought one of the 350-12 units. It came with no documentation, and no > certification of compliance with anything. It is VERY NOISY, and > nothing I have tried has been able to make a dent in the noise. > Multiple chokes on AC, multiple chokes on DC, and bypass caps on both > AC and DC. It's currently sitting on the shelf in my store room. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Thu,7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote: >> Not difficult to power, at all. Just buy two of these 50 amp units >> and run >> them in parallel. I've personally tested these in my shack and they >> work >> great. No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run. >> And >> they're made right here in California: >> >> http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From josh at voodoolab.com Thu Jul 28 20:44:27 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> <6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: While I don't doubt that you're successfully using these, I previously looked into these supplies and find the claim that they are made in California to be highly questionable. At the least, I don't see where the products are marked "Made in USA" nor does it say this anywhere that I can find on their web site. They refer to copies as "offshore clones" and so on, but no where do they refer to their own supplies as made here. Selling 30A supplies for $50 full of hand inserted through hole components, it seems frankly impossible that they are manufactured using California labor. If you have information to the contrary, please post as I'd love to be wrong. Since we all own Elecraft gear, I'm guessing that many have the same strong preference for USA made products that I do. 73, Josh W6XU On 7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote: > Not difficult to power, at all. Just buy two of these 50 amp units and run > them in parallel. I've personally tested these in my shack and they work > great. No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run. And > they're made right here in California: > > http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/ > > > > From jcox123 at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 28 20:52:45 2016 From: jcox123 at bellsouth.net (Jim Cox) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:52:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <7ebba8b1-89eb-9880-b350-e491543ac0c6@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se><99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com><79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com><008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com><6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> <7ebba8b1-89eb-9880-b350-e491543ac0c6@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim for the information. I certainly don?t want one of them in my shack. Have used Astron PS for many years with excellent results, power and RFI wise.. 73s Jim K4JAF -----Original Message----- From: Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:34 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier On the recommendation of someone on this list, about a year ago I bought one of the 350-12 units. It came with no documentation, and no certification of compliance with anything. It is VERY NOISY, and nothing I have tried has been able to make a dent in the noise. Multiple chokes on AC, multiple chokes on DC, and bypass caps on both AC and DC. It's currently sitting on the shelf in my store room. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote: > Not difficult to power, at all. Just buy two of these 50 amp units and > run > them in parallel. I've personally tested these in my shack and they work > great. No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run. And > they're made right here in California: > > http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jcox123 at bellsouth.net From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com Thu Jul 28 21:51:51 2016 From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:51:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <79944ccf-6a7e-0e7b-48c9-82b6ce2f6465@voodoolab.com> <008f01d1e90a$7d200410$77600c30$@erols.com> <6A2A3244-7400-4AEF-88AD-FFFD67189F71@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: You can call the owner and talk to him yourself and make your own determination on where they're made. He has his name, address, and email address right there - email and ask for his phone number. I know quite a few people (including myself) that have purchased several of those power supplies direct from him and have not had any problem with RFI. I have also purchased one of the chinese versions that look the same and threw it out almost immediately because it was so bad. If you bought one direct from him that was noisy, I'd call him up and send it back for him to replace to test out his advertised 2 year warranty. On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > While I don't doubt that you're successfully using these, I previously > looked into these supplies and find the claim that they are made in > California to be highly questionable. At the least, I don't see where the > products are marked "Made in USA" nor does it say this anywhere that I can > find on their web site. They refer to copies as "offshore clones" and so > on, but no where do they refer to their own supplies as made here. Selling > 30A supplies for $50 full of hand inserted through hole components, it > seems frankly impossible that they are manufactured using California labor. > > If you have information to the contrary, please post as I'd love to be > wrong. Since we all own Elecraft gear, I'm guessing that many have the same > strong preference for USA made products that I do. > > 73, > Josh W6XU > > On 7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote: > >> Not difficult to power, at all. Just buy two of these 50 amp units and >> run >> them in parallel. I've personally tested these in my shack and they work >> great. No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run. And >> they're made right here in California: >> >> http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/ >> >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com > -- Owner, worldwidedx.com AE6LX, Amateur Radio From lmarion at mt.net Thu Jul 28 23:03:25 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:03:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Macro help Message-ID: <003001d1e945$c815c460$58414d20$@mt.net> I am having some success with the Kpod marcros. I have read thru the programing reference But still need some help I am a macro beginner. 1. What would be the one tap turn on the diversity one hold same button turn it off macro. I can make it do it but it does not turn off the SUB RCVR when I use mine. I am trying make one that does not change the VFO frequencies as well. Just enable diversity/return to where it was. 2. Can one tap/hold the Fine/Coarse VFO resolution. My others seem to work OK, so if someone can help with these two I appreciate it. Leroy From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Jul 29 01:45:39 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:45:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier Message-ID: <201607290546.u6T5kTcw007250@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Thanks to Mike and Bill for buying my 2M80 amps (assembled or partial kit). I built twelve amps so far and most were to be driven by KX3's with 2M module. I set nearly all amps to be driven by 1.5-2.0w so the KX3-2M would not have to run full power. The 80w RF module that is used is not in production so now limited quantities available (from RFParts). I have identified a replacement power module which should run 60-70w. But there are quite few surplus 2m linear amps available. Mirage, TE Systems, and RFConcepts. I have a RFC 2-23 linear which runs 2w/30w and RFC 3-17 linear which runs 40w/170w. I have three 2m sources: an old FT736R (30w), DEMI 28-144 HP (50w) and the KX3-2M which not up to stuff running only 1.5w. I use either the RFC 2-23 or a surplus MOT amp that runs 1w/60w (FM) with my KX3-2M. I am not taking orders for a couple months as I am working on some of my own projects while summer wx is still here: 6m 1kW amp and possibly building a new 18x26 foot ham shack which will require running all new cables to my four towers and dish. Take a look at the amps here: http://www.kl7uw.com/kits.htm 73, Ed -------------------------------------- Ed, KL7UW, built me a nice 80w 2m amp for less than $400. http://www.kl7uw.com Mike In a message dated 7/28/2016 12:54:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dhandzic at plantron.se writes: Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier? I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144 and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers? -- 73, Dirk SA4DHT 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Fri Jul 29 04:23:05 2016 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:23:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Off Shore RF amplifiers Message-ID: Rick. As others have said, your suspicions re the Chines "Auction site" PA's are largely correct. But also, many "Expensive instrumentation" amps, are by their broadband nature, not that clean re harmonics either. -20dBc is a common figure, if the harmonics are "in band", and somewhat better (but still not communications grade) if they are out of band. Regardless of the actual technology, Bipolar, FET, Vacuum Tube, or TWT... Some of the cheap PA's can be very good linearity wise, if you add filters, very good heat sinks, and a very capable (very good dynamic regulation) DC power source. (Or, run them in Class A, and use a SMPS to power them, with more filtering on the DC lines!) As in all things amplifiers, the power supply, and cooling are critical. Skimp on either of them, and you'll have trouble, period! But a note too, regarding "if there has been a noticeable change to the bands over the years." Oh yes! There are now hoards of poorly suppressed digital gadgets that populate the place, and between them produce a noticeable level of QRM from near DC to way up the spectrum. MF/HF being particularly badly hit. Domestic LED lighting (not the LED's themselves, but some types of switched mode constant current drivers.) "In House" Power line Networking (data over the mains) devices. Plasma TV's (the older they get, the worse they get.) And now VDSL. (High speed broadband over phone lines.) Plus the gazillions of SMPS based wall warts/chargers etc, that can be amazingly noisy at RF when they have no load! (Not that they are particularly quite when working into a load.) Some older games console PSU's, the Wii "grey brick" types are particularly bad... Don't ask me how I know.. Remember, that the EMC regulations regarding radiated noise *from* a "Product" are designed to protect Broadcast Reception, where the RX's are relatively deaf, and wanted signal levels are high. Sadly, our interest in weak signal working using sensitive RX's with good antennas, result in us being unduly affected by the urban EM Fugg we now have to endure. Coupled with the sad EMC lore, that "nothing radiates below 30MHz anyway", so there are few if any radiated emissions checks below 30MHz for "consumer" products, it's just conducted EMI that's tested for, and under artificial conditions too. So, even a product that passes such a test, in practical use can still cause a huge problem when it has a "better antenna" (the mains wiring, or other hook up leads) to feed it's QRM into and get radiated! If you do have unduly high levels of noise on the bands, run the RX from a battery (A KX3 here is a natural of course for this sort of test) make sure you have the RX connected directly to the antenna, note the noise levels, power down your house with the main breaker, and see what changes. If it did markedly change for the better, then at least you have control of whatever is causing the trouble. Finding it though, can take a while, unless you can power up each part of the house separately. You might be surprised at what you may find! If there was little to no difference, then any of your neighbours, or local infrastructure can be causing it, then you have a near vertical uphill struggle to even identify the source, let alone getting a fix. If you want help, make a recording of the noise, with a RX in AM mode, and as wide a filter as possible, and make that file available to others via (for example) dropbox or similar. If it's high levels of "white noise" that is definitely coming from outside your property, that could indicate badly balanced phone lines carrying VDSL signals, possibly linking fibre fed telco cabinets to users homes (common here in the UK now) but there are clues you can hunt for (narrow gaps or "guard bands" between different levels of noise.) Lastly, even with high levels of local QRM, some of the new Digital modes, can work very well indeed, but again, the learning curve is steep, if you've only ever used RTTY or PSK31 in the past. Welcome Back Rick, and 73. Dave G0WBX. ~~ Original Message ~~ From: rick jones Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Off Shore RF amplifiers Message-ID: <1112441812.6599075.1469643690164.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 First of all, I'm NOT entertaining purchasing one, I'm happy with my 100W K3. I've been away from the hobby for a while and I'm catching up on a few things. I'm noticing quite a few add on amplifiers targeting the portable crowd on the auction site. Most are originating from China. Many show an internal picture and I do not see any obvious forms of LP filtering. Is it legal to run one of these amps without FCC acceptance? If the answer is "no" then is an effort being made to educate people why these amps may be causing harm to the airwaves (in the test question pool, for instance)? Hams, being a notoriously thrifty lot, may be attracted to the low price but may not be aware of, or have the ability to monitor their own signals. I'm not trying to stir up any wars, I'm simply curious about the proliferation of cheap equipment of questionable quality control and if there has been a noticeable change to the bands over the years. From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 10:30:53 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM KX2 and KX3 Issues Message-ID: <579b6899.8e41240a.73cb3.4015@mx.google.com> When I open N1MM when it opens it is in the S&P mode and when I switch to RUN mode the Dual RX propagates its self to all the bands. This is Annoying. The ATU settings on all bands are completely changed when N1MM was opened. So this junk was also generated by N1MM. Both of these issue occur on the KX2 and KX3 when N1MM is opened. I am guessing that what ever N1MM is generating is K3 commands from N1MM but I am not sure. Jim K9TF From pc2a at pi4cc.nl Fri Jul 29 10:59:56 2016 From: pc2a at pi4cc.nl (Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:59:56 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Macro command Message-ID: <1c3f25e1-d883-e042-9288-0f118bb89256@pi4cc.nl> Hi there Is is possible to set the power level AND lock it via a macro command? Via menu PWR SET press1 it locks (disable) the power knob To set the power level via a commando its: PC065; I Now I need the last part :-) Peter PC2A From jrhallas at optonline.net Fri Jul 29 11:01:01 2016 From: jrhallas at optonline.net (Joel Hallas) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:01:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2M External amp -- go linear! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006401d1e9aa$055a4850$100ed8f0$@net> While there are many amplifiers that can be pressed into service for SSB use on 2 meters, most are really not designed for linear SSB use and have a high level of IMD products if used for SSB. I spent a fair amount of effort during my tenure at ARRL looking for an exception. While in general operation in many areas, 2 meter IMD products will not likely be noticed by casual operators due to the sparse number of operators on the band, in contests -- when we find most 2 meter SSB and CW activity in my area -- it is a different matter. The usual brick amplifier probably has a switch that says FM/SSB, but a look behind the covers will indicate that this only changes the TR switching time. Most have no bias arrangements and no hope to be close to linear. If similar They would be run off the HF bands in minutes. If you have access to QST, or are a member and can look at the archives on line, I recommend reading the following product reviews with a close look at IMD figures: Aug 2010 - QST (Pg. 52) A Pair of Mirage 2 Meter Amplifiers Jan 2012 - QST (Pg. 54) TE Systems 1410G 2 Meter Linear Amplifier May 2012 - QST (Pg. 48) Tokyo Hy-Power Labs HL-350VDX 2 Meter Linear Amplifier The last amplifier worked really well in this regard and was a real gem. Unfortunately, it was very expensive and the company is no longer in biz. As to the preamps, the internal Elecraft transverters have a better noise figure than the preamp in any brick amp that I have looked at. That means that they are not particularly useful unless you have them mounted remotely at the antenna and have a lossy coax run. My solution was inspired by an excellent QST article by Jim Klitzing, W6PQL: Oct 2012 - QST (Pg. 32) Solid State 1 kW Linear Amplifier for 2 Meters Jim described an amplifier that was built around a linear amplifier module that did all the heavy lifting. The rest of the amplifier was still more of a project than I wanted to tackle, although I think it would work with the transverters. I convinced Jim to design and build an amplifier that would make my K3 competitive with the typical 100 W HF-VHF transceivers. With my great receiver and 10 W transmitter, I was hearing people and they weren't hearing me. By staying at the 100 W level, I could use the same power supply that my K3 used for HF. I have been using the amplifier for years and been very happy with it. It is very linear up to 80 W PEP out on SSB, but happy to do CW and FM at 100 W. See the article at: May 2013 -- QST (p. 30) Build a Linear 2 Meter 80 W All Mode Amplifier Jim offers PC boards, unpopulated, as well as largely complete, for reasonable prices via his web page at w6pql.com. This amplifier is the size of a brick, probably costs less and is a much better product, in my view. I recommend it without reservation. Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Westport, CT From rickw8zt at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 11:42:46 2016 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2M External amp -- go linear! In-Reply-To: <006401d1e9aa$055a4850$100ed8f0$@net> References: <006401d1e9aa$055a4850$100ed8f0$@net> Message-ID: > > If you want a real linear amp try to find a Teltec amp. Check out the QST > review. I have one each for 2,220,& 432 . -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Jul 29 12:54:22 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:54:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod PTT emulation In-Reply-To: <75ccd1dcafe670c3cb57f94fe8548604@buffalo.edu> References: <75ccd1dcafe670c3cb57f94fe8548604@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <1469811262251-7620857.post@n2.nabble.com> Currently, macros are associated with the trailing edge of a programmable switch. What you're proposing is an option through which a macro (SWT16;) could be associated with the leading edge (and the trailing edge) of a switch. I like the idea. Can't hurt to ask Elecraft. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k-pod-PTT-emulation-tp7620829p7620857.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 29 13:31:22 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:31:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <003701d1e9bf$06924690$13b6d3b0$@biz> Are those capable of linear operation for SSB as the poster asked? The ones I had back then were non-linear (class C) strictly for FM/CW only. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30 year old) brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of about 150W. They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made during the 70s and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were built in Northern California. They also made versions of these amps that required higher drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they also made versions for 440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use with the FM rig in my shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ. We found four of these vintage amps in good condition in a few days simply by asking on two local club reflectors. I don't remember what we paid, but I do know that we considered them a bargain. :) Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat. 73, Jim K9YC From ron at cobi.biz Fri Jul 29 13:40:35 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:40:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod PTT emulation In-Reply-To: <75ccd1dcafe670c3cb57f94fe8548604@buffalo.edu> References: <75ccd1dcafe670c3cb57f94fe8548604@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <003801d1e9c0$50b86730$f2293590$@biz> Since the macro is sent ONLY when switch is pressed, it's not possible to send a "return to receive" macro by releasing a switch on the K-Pod. SWT16; Will toggle the XMIT switch between transmit and receive. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of pbsbarry Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:37 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod PTT emulation Have any of you clever Elecrafters figured out a macro to emulate a true PTT function (push ptt on, release, off) for the k-pod function switches? Any ideas? Steve, AE2G ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From pbsbarry at buffalo.edu Fri Jul 29 14:06:08 2016 From: pbsbarry at buffalo.edu (pbsbarry) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:06:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod PTT emulation In-Reply-To: <003801d1e9c0$50b86730$f2293590$@biz> References: <75ccd1dcafe670c3cb57f94fe8548604@buffalo.edu> <003801d1e9c0$50b86730$f2293590$@biz> Message-ID: <6af127156f079cd85491e1216c9f5368@buffalo.edu> Thanks Ron, I was pretty sure that was the case but then, there are some pretty clever fellas out there. I've programmed SWT16 on f12 and it's just fine. The vox in the k3 is so good that I usually operate with that. Thanks for taking the time to answer, Ron. 73, steve AE2 On 07/29/2016 1:40 pm, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Since the macro is sent ONLY when switch is pressed, it's not possible > to > send a "return to receive" macro by releasing a switch on the K-Pod. > > SWT16; > Will toggle the XMIT switch between transmit and receive. > > 73 Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > pbsbarry > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:37 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod PTT emulation > > Have any of you clever Elecrafters figured out a macro to emulate a > true PTT > function (push ptt on, release, off) for the k-pod function switches? > > Any ideas? > > Steve, AE2G > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 14:47:04 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <003701d1e9bf$06924690$13b6d3b0$@biz> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <003701d1e9bf$06924690$13b6d3b0$@biz> Message-ID: <1489634787.6289174.1469818024309.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> All of the Mirage amplifiers called linear were just that.? Only special order FM repeater amplifiers could be Class C. Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier Are those capable of linear operation for SSB as the poster asked? The ones I had back then were non-linear (class C) strictly for FM/CW only. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30 year old) brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of about 150W. They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made during the 70s and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were built in Northern California. They also made versions of these amps that required higher drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they also made versions for 440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use with the FM rig in my shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ. We found four of these vintage amps in good condition in a few days simply by asking on two local club reflectors. I don't remember what we paid, but I do know that we considered them a bargain. :) Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Jul 29 15:08:26 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:08:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM KX2 and KX3 Issues In-Reply-To: <579b6899.8e41240a.73cb3.4015@mx.google.com> References: <579b6899.8e41240a.73cb3.4015@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1469819306339-7620860.post@n2.nabble.com> Are you using someone's config file? If so the commands for that configuration may have been introduced that way. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/N1MM-KX2-and-KX3-Issues-tp7620853p7620860.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Jul 29 15:15:41 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:15:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <003701d1e9bf$06924690$13b6d3b0$@biz> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <003701d1e9bf$06924690$13b6d3b0$@biz> Message-ID: On Fri,7/29/2016 10:31 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Are those capable of linear operation for SSB as the poster asked? The ones > I had back then were non-linear (class C) strictly for FM/CW only. CW is 100% modulation of a carrier by a rectangular wave, so the harmonics associated with rise and fall times create at least as much distortion as SSB. That distortion shows up in the form of clicky sidebands. It's quite easy to see these sidebands on a P3. Here's some work I did a year or two ago measuring some rigs that were available to me. http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf The second file contains much of the same data, but focuses on improvements made by firmware upgrades to the FTDX5000 a year or two ago. http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Jul 29 15:38:43 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:38:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] k-pod PTT emulation In-Reply-To: <6af127156f079cd85491e1216c9f5368@buffalo.edu> References: <75ccd1dcafe670c3cb57f94fe8548604@buffalo.edu> <6af127156f079cd85491e1216c9f5368@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <1469821123364-7620862.post@n2.nabble.com> > Since the macro is sent ONLY when switch is pressed, it's not possible > to send a "return to receive" macro by releasing a switch on the K-Pod. Actually ... a macro is sent: when a programmable switch is released after being held for less than 500 ms; or when a programmable switch is held for more than (>=) 500 ms. Note: It doesn't matter if the switch is held for 500 ms, 5 secs or 5 mins. The associated "hold macro" is sent after 500 ms. Steve is looking for the ability to send a macro when a switch is first pressed and at the time a switch is released (after 500 ms) ... neither of which are currently supported. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k-pod-PTT-emulation-tp7620829p7620862.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 15:57:01 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <003701d1e9bf$06924690$13b6d3b0$@biz> Message-ID: <168377843.6616224.1469822221418.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> If anyone needs information on the older KLM/Mirage amplifiers, I have some of the original documentation when I was at KLM/Mirage in the '70/'80 time period. Would be glad to share. Mel, K6KBEOne of the founders of KLM Electronics From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier On Fri,7/29/2016 10:31 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Are those capable of linear operation for SSB as the poster asked? The ones > I had back then were non-linear (class C) strictly for FM/CW only. CW is 100% modulation of a carrier by a rectangular wave, so the harmonics associated with rise and fall times create at least as much distortion as SSB. That distortion shows up in the form of clicky sidebands. It's quite easy to see these sidebands on a P3. Here's some work I did a year or two ago measuring some rigs that were available to me. http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf The second file contains much of the same data, but focuses on improvements made by firmware upgrades to the FTDX5000 a year or two ago. http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 16:27:17 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM KX2 and KX3 Issues Message-ID: Your problem is obviously with N1MM+, not with your elecraft rigs. It would have been more appropriate to post your message to the N1MMLoggerPlus reflector. Be that as it may, my guess would be that you are using an inappropriate N1MM Logger.ini (configuration) file, namely one that has been configured for a dual-receiver K3. In the N1MM+ Config menu, make sure the Sub Receiver Always On menu item is not checked. It appears as if you may have this option selected; if so, that would be what is causing Dual RX to be turned on when you change bands. In the Configurer, make sure the SO1V radio button is selected; I suspect you may have SO2V selected; SO2V is not really appropriate for a KX2 or KX3. Also, make sure that the selected radio type is Elecraft KX3, not Elecraft K3. N1MM+ does not send ATU commands to the radio as far as I am aware. I can only guess that your configuration is such that K3 commands for the second receiver are being sent, and that these are having some kind of side effects on the KX2/KX3, possibly because the second receiver's Entry window is starting up on a different band. Using an ini file that is configured for the correct radio in SO1V mode should resolve this. If you wish to use N1MM+ with more than one radio (not SO2R, just different radios at different times), you should not try to use the same ini file for all. N1MM+ has a way to use multiple ini files for this kind of situation. This is described in the on-line documentation at < http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Program+Installation+and+Setup&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#Multiple_ini_Files >. 73, Rich VE3KI From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Jul 29 16:52:04 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:52:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 VFO A Encoder Message-ID: <1469825524340-7620865.post@n2.nabble.com> Can anyone tell me which encoder the KX2 VFO A uses? It's described as a "Mechanical, sleeve bearing" encoder in the KX2 FAQ. I'm looking for the specific make and model. Most of the Elecraft encoders are manufactured by Bourns. If you can't access the specific make and model, a close-up photograph would be appreciated. Is the encoder soldered to the main circuit board? Or does it have its own mini "daughter board" (like the K3 and KX3 VFO A encoder) which, in turn, plugs into the main circuit board (making the encoder upgrade-able / field replaceable)? Would someone please measure its CPR (Counts Per Revolution)? Set the VFO A rate to 1 Hz, note the VFO A frequency and rotate the knob / encoder 360 degrees. The CPR corresponds to the increase / decrease in frequency (in Hz). Much appreciated. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-VFO-A-Encoder-tp7620865.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 17:44:44 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:44:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB? Message-ID: <8cc956bc-9fdf-0977-4376-c6b0753bf83b@gmail.com> KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB: I seem to think this is possible, but don't remember how to get it going; help appreciated. I tried the manual, but I must be going right past it... Thanks & 72 de Dave, W5SV From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Jul 29 17:48:56 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:48:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier In-Reply-To: <168377843.6616224.1469822221418.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8d26316b-bbaf-47d2-c44a-37e511e3add8@plantron.se> <99ac92dc-a876-ee65-c305-8064c8da7375@audiosystemsgroup.com> <003701d1e9bf$06924690$13b6d3b0$@biz> <168377843.6616224.1469822221418.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That would be great, Mel. I think I probably have about 8 brick amps of this generation carrying the Mirage and RF Concepts nameplate. Up to now, I've never looked at their spectral performance, and I don't have an easy way to do so with the frequency resolution of the P3, because I have only one 2M CW transceiver. OTOH, I could probably borrow a second one from W6GJB. The most practical test I currently know of for IM performance is transmitting CW dits in the range of 35WPM and looking at the occupied bandwidth on a P3 with a display bandwidth on the order of 10 kHz. 73, Jim On Fri,7/29/2016 12:57 PM, Mel Farrer wrote: > If anyone needs information on the older KLM/Mirage amplifiers, I have > some of the original documentation when I was at KLM/Mirage in the > '70/'80 time period. Would be glad to share. > > Mel, K6KBE > One of the founders of KLM Electronics > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Brown > *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2016 12:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier > > On Fri,7/29/2016 10:31 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > Are those capable of linear operation for SSB as the poster asked? > The ones > > I had back then were non-linear (class C) strictly for FM/CW only. > > CW is 100% modulation of a carrier by a rectangular wave, so the > harmonics associated with rise and fall times create at least as much > distortion as SSB. That distortion shows up in the form of clicky > sidebands. It's quite easy to see these sidebands on a P3. Here's some > work I did a year or two ago measuring some rigs that were available > to me. > > http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf > > The second file contains much of the same data, but focuses on > improvements made by firmware upgrades to the FTDX5000 a year or two ago. > > http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 29 17:50:01 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:50:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB? In-Reply-To: <8cc956bc-9fdf-0977-4376-c6b0753bf83b@gmail.com> References: <8cc956bc-9fdf-0977-4376-c6b0753bf83b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c66a318-adc7-0866-d455-b71c00d78a5c@embarqmail.com> Dave, The KX2 manual index says to look on page 44. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/29/2016 5:44 PM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB: I seem to think this is possible, > but don't remember how to get it going; help appreciated. I tried the > manual, but I must be going right past it... > > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Fri Jul 29 18:52:23 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 15:52:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: <27A04186-5F40-48DF-89AC-D388562632CF@elecraft.com> References: <026d01d1b1e6$c4f24060$4ed6c120$@carolinaheli.com> <27A04186-5F40-48DF-89AC-D388562632CF@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1469832743210-7620869.post@n2.nabble.com> "Do not continue charging the battery if it does not recharge within the specified charging time. Doing so may cause the battery to become hot, rupture, or ignite." Does this mean the battery should not be charged more than ~2hr to full charge? So it shouldn't be charged overnight? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KXBT2-Charger-tp7617624p7620869.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 29 20:02:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 20:02:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: <1469832743210-7620869.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <026d01d1b1e6$c4f24060$4ed6c120$@carolinaheli.com> <27A04186-5F40-48DF-89AC-D388562632CF@elecraft.com> <1469832743210-7620869.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <576f0290-8bec-2512-5d90-b0fe012f4e5e@embarqmail.com> Yes, with Lithium batteries, follow the instructions. If they do not recharge within the specified time, something is wrong. Whether that specified charging time is 2 hours, or something else is of no consequence. If it does not charge within the specified time, it is cause for investigation or replacement of the batteries. If you wish to charge them overnight, I suggest you put them in a non-flammable pan outdoors (away from buildings) and power the charger with an extension cord. That is for the safety of you and yours in case something bad happens. There is a reason why shipping of lithium batteries is restricted - it is all a matter of safety. Lithium batteries are generally safe if treated properly, but must be charged within the limits set by the manufacturer/distributor to maintain that safety margin. Follow the instructions of the battery supplier, they have your safety in mind. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/29/2016 6:52 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > "Do not continue charging the battery if it does not recharge within the > specified charging time. Doing so may cause the battery to become hot, > rupture, or ignite." > > Does this mean the battery should not be charged more than ~2hr to full > charge? So it shouldn't be charged overnight? > From W1ie at jetbroadband.com Fri Jul 29 20:20:39 2016 From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 20:20:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? Message-ID: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> Greetings all, I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a 1500 watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. From a "unknown" European company and stick Elecraft's name on the product. Sounds kinda far-fetch to me, but you never know.. Is this a very belated "April Fools" joke?? Best regards, Jerry, W1IE From w5sum at comcast.net Fri Jul 29 20:21:41 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger Message-ID: Interesting question. In just received my kx2 today. I ordered everything EXEPT the kxbt2! I don't know how I missed that so I'm ordering it this weekend. Can't wait to get on the air with it Ronnie w5sum MaverickNH wrote: >"Do not continue charging the battery if it does not recharge within the >specified charging time. Doing so may cause the battery to become hot, >rupture, or ignite." > >Does this mean the battery should not be charged more than ~2hr to full >charge? So it shouldn't be charged overnight? > > > >-- >View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KXBT2-Charger-tp7617624p7620869.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 20:34:22 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 20:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> Message-ID: This rumor or a close cousin bubbles up out of the stinky mud every now and then. Don't believe anything until you hear it from the principal owners. Back to sleep. 73, Guy K2AV On Friday, July 29, 2016, Jerry wrote: > Greetings all, > > > > I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a > 1500 > watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the > story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. From a "unknown" European > company and stick Elecraft's name on the product. > > > > Sounds kinda far-fetch to me, but you never know.. > > > > Is this a very belated "April Fools" joke?? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jerry, W1IE > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Jul 29 21:09:49 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> Message-ID: <9EE61791-455B-438C-8323-6C7C36DF7A67@elecraft.com> On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:20 PM, "Jerry" wrote: > I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a 1500 > watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the > story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. Both statements are false. Demote your source :) Wayne N6KR From n1al at sonic.net Fri Jul 29 21:15:07 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:15:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> Message-ID: <22e41ad2-6127-9bec-bc08-bcd4d4153dc5@sonic.net> If Elecraft were going to re-brand and re-sell an amplifier from someone else, which one should they choose, and why? Alan N1AL On 07/29/2016 05:34 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > This rumor or a close cousin bubbles up out of the stinky mud every now and > then. Don't believe anything until you hear it from the principal owners. > Back to sleep. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Friday, July 29, 2016, Jerry wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a >> 1500 >> watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the >> story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. From a "unknown" European >> company and stick Elecraft's name on the product. >> >> >> >> Sounds kinda far-fetch to me, but you never know.. >> >> >> >> Is this a very belated "April Fools" joke?? >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Jerry, W1IE >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> > > From jthorpe at liberty.edu Fri Jul 29 21:18:44 2016 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 01:18:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> , Message-ID: <3CE7E10A-A671-4634-AAC1-D19EEB6E2E47@liberty.edu> As far as I'm concerned, putting a KX2 or 3 (or any Elecraft transceiver for that matter) out on 1500W is insulting to Elecraft and the user. While I am typically a "brute-force" type of guy, it just seems like such a waste of such an elegant product. Now if I had to communicate with somebody on Pluto through crazy storms, then yeah. But here, even with these current band conditions? There are other ways to spend my money. Skills trump gear. Jeff - kg7hdz > On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > This rumor or a close cousin bubbles up out of the stinky mud every now and > then. Don't believe anything until you hear it from the principal owners. > Back to sleep. > > 73, Guy K2AV > >> On Friday, July 29, 2016, Jerry wrote: >> >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a >> 1500 >> watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the >> story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. From a "unknown" European >> company and stick Elecraft's name on the product. >> >> >> >> Sounds kinda far-fetch to me, but you never know.. >> >> >> >> Is this a very belated "April Fools" joke?? >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Jerry, W1IE >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu From k0bx at arrl.net Fri Jul 29 21:26:33 2016 From: k0bx at arrl.net (joeduerbusch) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 01:26:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <9EE61791-455B-438C-8323-6C7C36DF7A67@elecraft.com> References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> <9EE61791-455B-438C-8323-6C7C36DF7A67@elecraft.com> Message-ID: At Dayton this year, Flex showed their soon to be 1.2 kw amp. It is a rebranded Europe amp. It is on their website. Joe K0BX #1 Honor Roll Mixed Honor Roll Phone Honor Roll CW Honor Roll RTTY Honor Roll 20 Meters 5BDXCC Plus 30,17,12 5BWAS Stop the insanity! Please do not add me to any distribution lists (Joke, Stories or Junk) without my permission. On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:20 PM, "Jerry" wrote: > > > I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a > 1500 > > watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the > > story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. > > > Both statements are false. Demote your source :) > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0bx at arrl.net > From rickw8zt at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 21:30:13 2016 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> Message-ID: I am very fortunate to have been to the SWODXA DX dinner one year and saw a 1kw or more Elecraft prototype. I am sure there are photos out there somewhere but it was a nice looking amp. It created lots of buzz that evening. Then it was scuttled off to parts unknown to never be seen by the masses. It might be in Area 51. Anyway I am sure with Elecrafts business plan a large amp is not on the "list" . On Friday, July 29, 2016, Jerry wrote: > Greetings all, > > > > I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a > 1500 > watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the > story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. From a "unknown" European > company and stick Elecraft's name on the product. > > > > Sounds kinda far-fetch to me, but you never know.. > > > > Is this a very belated "April Fools" joke?? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jerry, W1IE > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rickw8zt at gmail.com > -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile From w7aqk at cox.net Fri Jul 29 21:41:33 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:41:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB? Message-ID: It's referenced in the Index, on Page 70--"CW, Sending in SSB mode, 44". Not that hard to find!!! Anyway, go to page 44 of the manual. Bring up "CW Weight" on the menu of your KX2. Then tap "1" until you get SSB + CW displayed. It should only take one tap. That's the same procedure the KX3 uses. Dave W7AQK From anyone1545 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 22:17:49 2016 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Linear amps Message-ID: <82A385F6-B851-4E84-88D3-FD3AEE8D2577@gmail.com> Be careful using the offshore unfiltered amps on 10 meters. The harmonics fall into the aviation navigation band. There is one made in Italy amp that is unfiltered. If you look at the company's web site the amps are listed as "not for US export". They were at Dayton and are now making US models. Best to only buy external amps that are marked FCC certified. Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPad From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Jul 29 22:22:55 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:22:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: <576f0290-8bec-2512-5d90-b0fe012f4e5e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I would get a timer switch, set it for the recommended charging time. and run the charger off that switch. If you get back before it starts charging again, all should be well. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/29/16 at 5:02 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >If you wish to charge them overnight, I suggest you put them in >a non-flammable pan outdoors (away from buildings) and power >the charger with an extension cord. >That is for the safety of you and yours in case something bad happens. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I don't have high-speed | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | internet. I have DSL. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ae5x at juno.com Fri Jul 29 22:28:48 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 02:28:48 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? Message-ID: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Here are those pics: http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html I'm thinking it's the next logical major item for Elecraft to offer. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ ___________________________ and saw a 1kw or more Elecraft prototype. I am sure there are photos out there somewhere I am sure with Elecrafts business plan a large amp is not on the "list" . ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Jul 29 22:33:59 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:33:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setting frequency memories via the programming interface Message-ID: How do you set a frequency memory from a PC program? I assume you first set the radio for the frequency/mode/DSP bandwidth/etc. and then store the settings into a frequency memory. What is the command for setting the frequency memory? I see MC in the manual with GET and SET formats. Does one set the memory and the other recall the memory to the radio? Just how does this work? Thanks - Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |Security, like correctness, is| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |not an add-on feature. - Attr-| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |ibuted to Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Fri Jul 29 22:33:58 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:33:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: From 2006? Really? At 07:28 PM 7/29/2016, ae5x at juno.com wrote: >Here are those pics: >http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html > >I'm thinking it's the next logical major item for Elecraft to offer. > >John AE5X >http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ >___________________________ >and saw a 1kw or more Elecraft prototype. 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AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From raysills3 at verizon.net Fri Jul 29 22:48:50 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D66C6A-0896-4DBC-9C1F-7A234E19A053@verizon.net> Hi Bill: One slick trick I?ve done with chargers is to use one of those timer switches? the type often used to turn on and off interior lighting, to make it appear that someone is home, when they are not home. The model I have uses some plastic pins, color coded, to set the ?on? time, (green) and the off time (red). I just use the red pin, adjust the timer for the interval needed, based on the current time of day, and manually turn on the timer. When it gets to the ?off? time, it shuts off? never to turn on again, because there are no green pins in the timer wheel. A great one-time-only power control. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > I would get a timer switch, set it for the recommended charging time. and run the charger off that switch. If you get back before it starts charging again, all should be well. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 7/29/16 at 5:02 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: > >> If you wish to charge them overnight, I suggest you put them in a non-flammable pan outdoors (away from buildings) and power the charger with an extension cord. >> That is for the safety of you and yours in case something bad happens. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | I don't have high-speed | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | internet. I have DSL. | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Jul 29 23:04:06 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> Message-ID: It is about that time again. On 7/29/2016 7:34 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > This rumor or a close cousin bubbles up out of the stinky mud every now and > then. Don't believe anything until you hear it from the principal owners. > Back to sleep. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Friday, July 29, 2016, Jerry wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> >> >> >> I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a >> 1500 >> watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with the >> story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. From a "unknown" European >> company and stick Elecraft's name on the product. >> >> >> >> Sounds kinda far-fetch to me, but you never know.. >> >> >> >> Is this a very belated "April Fools" joke?? >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Jerry, W1IE >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Jul 29 23:09:59 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:09:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: References: <000d01d1e9f8$33de1a50$9b9a4ef0$@com> Message-ID: <35a0b907-8b6d-49d8-a9a2-e78f0b37a968@ac0h.net> It'll happen again at the end of January. Twice a year for the last 10. Time to catch a clue boys. If it was going to happen it would have by now. On 7/29/2016 10:04 PM, Kevin wrote: > It is about that time again. > > > On 7/29/2016 7:34 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> This rumor or a close cousin bubbles up out of the stinky mud every >> now and >> then. Don't believe anything until you hear it from the principal >> owners. >> Back to sleep. >> >> 73, Guy K2AV >> >> On Friday, July 29, 2016, Jerry wrote: >> >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I heard a rumor this afternoon that Elecraft is going to be marketing a >>> 1500 >>> watt amp at approx $6000.00 very soon. The rumor mill continues with >>> the >>> story that Elecraft is going to buy the amp. From a "unknown" European >>> company and stick Elecraft's name on the product. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sounds kinda far-fetch to me, but you never know.. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is this a very belated "April Fools" joke?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Jerry, W1IE >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >>> >> > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 23:12:48 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 23:12:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <20160730024014.CCDC7149B4C8@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <20160730024014.CCDC7149B4C8@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Wayne just posted that there are no such plans. 73, Guy K2AV Wayne Burduck wrote: Both statements are false. Demote your source :) Wayne N6KR On Friday, July 29, 2016, ae5x at juno.com > wrote: > Here are those pics: > http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html > > I'm thinking it's the next logical major item for Elecraft to offer. > > John AE5X > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > ___________________________ > and saw a 1kw or more Elecraft prototype. I am sure there are photos out > there > somewhere > > I am sure with Elecrafts business plan a large amp is not on the "list" . > > ____________________________________________________________ > Affordable Wireless Plans > Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. > Starting at only $9.95 per month! > www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Jul 29 23:13:19 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 20:13:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <20160730023953.0E03A149B5D2@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <20160730023953.0E03A149B5D2@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <157595d2-8fcb-74d2-f5c7-df4ee0c4d223@socal.rr.com> Not to mention Wayne repeatedly denying the rumors. Phil W7OX On 7/29/16 7:33 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > From 2006? Really? > > > At 07:28 PM 7/29/2016, ae5x at juno.com wrote: >> Here are those pics: >> http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html >> >> I'm thinking it's the next logical major item >> for Elecraft to offer. >> >> John AE5X >> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ >> ___________________________ >> and saw a 1kw or more Elecraft prototype. I am >> sure there are photos out there >> somewhere >> >> I am sure with Elecrafts business plan a large >> amp is not on the "list" . From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 23:36:27 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:36:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks; don't know how I missed that, but I did. 72 de Dave, W5SV On 7/29/16 20:41, w7aqk wrote: > It's referenced in the Index, on Page 70--"CW, Sending in SSB mode, > 44". Not that hard to find!!! > > Anyway, go to page 44 of the manual. Bring up "CW Weight" on the menu > of your KX2. Then tap "1" until you get SSB + CW displayed. It should > only take one tap. That's the same procedure the KX3 uses. > > Dave W7AQK > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sv.dave at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Jul 30 05:11:35 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 01:11:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2M External amp -- go linear! Message-ID: <201607300911.u6U9BZd3017781@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Joel and all: The 80w amplifier I build is the Klitzing amp described, below. I purchase the unpopulated pc board from Jim and order all other components. I install them in Hammond enclosure with same heat sink Jim recommends, plus a 120mm square fan controlled by a thermistor-based ckt. I also add a bar meter which indicates relative output. I also use the ALC kit from Jim to sample RF power for the meter. It runs with 8amp quiescent current at near class-A operation so very linear in output. No preamp is included but the TR relay allows bypass in OFF so you do not need to disconnect the amp if not needed. I agree with Joel that there are better preamps than typically embedded in most ham VHF amps. I handle PayPal sales for the popular WA2ODO preamps (6m-13cm). 73, Ed - KL7UW snipped----------------- I convinced Jim to design and build an amplifier that would make my K3 competitive with the typical 100 W HF-VHF transceivers. With my great receiver and 10 W transmitter, I was hearing people and they weren't hearing me. By staying at the 100 W level, I could use the same power supply that my K3 used for HF. I have been using the amplifier for years and been very happy with it. It is very linear up to 80 W PEP out on SSB, but happy to do CW and FM at 100 W. See the article at: May 2013 -- QST (p. 30) Build a Linear 2 Meter 80 W All Mode Amplifier Jim offers PC boards, unpopulated, as well as largely complete, for reasonable prices via his web page at w6pql.com. This amplifier is the size of a brick, probably costs less and is a much better product, in my view. I recommend it without reservation. Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Westport, CT 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jack at satterfield.org Sat Jul 30 07:14:48 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 07:14:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 cycling Message-ID: <000601d1ea53$962446c0$c26cd440$@org> I leave the KAT500 on 24/7, several years of perfect operation. Today I sent the usual 15 watts tune carrier on 75 meters the tuner started cycling all lights on and off. Turned the tune carrier off but the tuner continued to cycle. Tuner will only turn off by removing power. Plug power back in it starts cycling. Sounds like a trip to Elecraft but thought I would ask here to see if there is anything I can do. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ From w1hyv at arrl.net Sat Jul 30 08:01:41 2016 From: w1hyv at arrl.net (Alan Price) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:01:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Let me build your Elecraft kit Message-ID: Let me build a K2, or other Elecraft kit for you. My prices are reasonable and you have a new radio with the options you want. 73 Alan W1HYV From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Jul 30 09:18:01 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 06:18:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: <47D66C6A-0896-4DBC-9C1F-7A234E19A053@verizon.net> References: <026d01d1b1e6$c4f24060$4ed6c120$@carolinaheli.com> <27A04186-5F40-48DF-89AC-D388562632CF@elecraft.com> <1469832743210-7620869.post@n2.nabble.com> <576f0290-8bec-2512-5d90-b0fe012f4e5e@embarqmail.com> <47D66C6A-0896-4DBC-9C1F-7A234E19A053@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1469884681077-7620894.post@n2.nabble.com> I put a battery in a steel pan out on the concrete patio and charged overnight - the LED went Red to Green overnight and the battery was still cool in the morning, so all went well. The timer sounds like a good solution for indoor safe charging, but I'll still do so in a pan on a patio block, just in case... My son got a little battery-powered remote control race car many years ago, and the battery scorched the Formica counter top when it overheated during charging. So yeah, those lithiums can be nasty without proper circuitry and care. Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KXBT2-Charger-tp7617624p7620894.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From john at eeek.org.uk Sat Jul 30 09:43:14 2016 From: john at eeek.org.uk (John) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:43:14 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: <1469884681077-7620894.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <026d01d1b1e6$c4f24060$4ed6c120$@carolinaheli.com> <27A04186-5F40-48DF-89AC-D388562632CF@elecraft.com> <1469832743210-7620869.post@n2.nabble.com> <576f0290-8bec-2512-5d90-b0fe012f4e5e@embarqmail.com> <47D66C6A-0896-4DBC-9C1F-7A234E19A053@verizon.net> <1469884681077-7620894.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <057b01d1ea68$5252ee00$f6f8ca00$@eeek.org.uk> All, What specific chemistry are these batteries? Li-ion? LiPo? LiFePO4? The three different types of lithium-based battery all have different ways of 'looking after' them (I'm a heavy user of Lithium-based batteries, for airsoft, portable radio and r/c... I suspect the reason for the note about 'specified charging time' is based on the chargers being designed to charge at a certain rate (usually measured in 'C'... for 'capacity')... Presumably if it recommends a 2 hour charge, the provided charger charges at 0.5C (half the capacity per hour). If you stick the batteries on a 'proper' hobbyist's charger, you'll have a variable maximum charging rate, so you could in theory cut it down and leave it running longer... In fact some chemistries actually prefer to be charged at anything as low as 0.1C! If someone can fill in the blanks on battery types (and ideally the capacity too!) that'd be fantastic. As for the steel pan on the concrete patio... That's a great idea provided it a) isn't going to rain and b) there aren't any bugs or creatures that will nibble through your cabling. The conventional method of charging safely indoors is to drop the batteries into a LiPo charging bag (available fairly cheaply from all good r/c stores and hobbyist websites) which is designed to contain any fire or explosion caused by improper overcharging of the batteries. For what it's worth... LiPo and LiFePO4 batteries also need to be balanced (and as such are sold with a 'balance connector' on a fly lead as well as the main 'power output' connector. This allows all good chargers to individually float a cell or pull a bit from another cell to keep all of them in balance. 73, and a firm left handshake. John (XLX) -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of MaverickNH Sent: 30 July 2016 14:18 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger I put a battery in a steel pan out on the concrete patio and charged overnight - the LED went Red to Green overnight and the battery was still cool in the morning, so all went well. The timer sounds like a good solution for indoor safe charging, but I'll still do so in a pan on a patio block, just in case... My son got a little battery-powered remote control race car many years ago, and the battery scorched the Formica counter top when it overheated during charging. So yeah, those lithiums can be nasty without proper circuitry and care. Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KXBT2-Charger-tp7617624p7620894.htm l Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to john at eeek.org.uk From bob at hogbytes.com Sat Jul 30 10:53:57 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 07:53:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: <057b01d1ea68$5252ee00$f6f8ca00$@eeek.org.uk> References: <026d01d1b1e6$c4f24060$4ed6c120$@carolinaheli.com> <27A04186-5F40-48DF-89AC-D388562632CF@elecraft.com> <1469832743210-7620869.post@n2.nabble.com> <576f0290-8bec-2512-5d90-b0fe012f4e5e@embarqmail.com> <47D66C6A-0896-4DBC-9C1F-7A234E19A053@verizon.net> <1469884681077-7620894.post@n2.nabble.com> <057b01d1ea68$5252ee00$f6f8ca00$@eeek.org.uk> Message-ID: <1469890437794-7620896.post@n2.nabble.com> One of the main failure modes of Li-Ion batteries is trying to charge a defective battery ( puffed pack). When Li-Ion batteries begin to fail one or more cells develop a high internal resistance and heat up during charging. The 2hr warning is likely driven by the danger of trying to charge a bad pack more than the a time limit for a good pack. For packs with built in management/balancing circuitry ( no access to individual cells) it is difficult to see a bad cell. If you are concerned, there are fireproof pouches to put the battery in during charging. You can get them from most major RC model sites. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KXBT2-Charger-tp7617624p7620896.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Jul 30 11:31:23 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 08:31:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger In-Reply-To: <057b01d1ea68$5252ee00$f6f8ca00$@eeek.org.uk> References: <026d01d1b1e6$c4f24060$4ed6c120$@carolinaheli.com> <27A04186-5F40-48DF-89AC-D388562632CF@elecraft.com> <1469832743210-7620869.post@n2.nabble.com> <576f0290-8bec-2512-5d90-b0fe012f4e5e@embarqmail.com> <47D66C6A-0896-4DBC-9C1F-7A234E19A053@verizon.net> <1469884681077-7620894.post@n2.nabble.com> <057b01d1ea68$5252ee00$f6f8ca00$@eeek.org.uk> Message-ID: <1469892683401-7620897.post@n2.nabble.com> Good advice - I picked up a small LiPo Battery Bag from Amazon. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KXBT2-Charger-tp7617624p7620897.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim.gmforum at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 12:24:14 2016 From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 11:24:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM KX2 and KX3 Issues Message-ID: <579cd4aa.482c6b0a.182a7.c12d@mx.google.com> No I have it set to SO1V. I would really like to know what?s going on with N1MM program with the KX2 and 3 with this program. Jim K9TF From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Jul 30 12:37:25 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:37:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite Message-ID: Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite. This release has improved SDRPlay performance and it fixes an issue with the Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor files. Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and KX2. It can provide a software panadapter using SDRPlay (giving up to 1.8 MHz bandwidth), LPPAN, or a video capture board for the P3. Win4K3Suite can interface to any third party program such as Ham Radio Deluxe, DXLabs, N1MM+, and many more with little fuss. You can see it in action here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU There is a free full featured 30 day trial available at va2fsq.com. If you ran the trial in the past and would like to try it again, please drop a note. 73 Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w6jhb at me.com Sat Jul 30 12:47:32 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:47:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / FLDIGI Problem Message-ID: I have a KX3 and am running FLDIGI 3.22.01 on my Raspberry Pi 3. Everything works? except for one annoying thing and I?m trying to find out if this is an FLDIGI issue or something I need to tweak on the KX3. When I fire off a macro such as a CQ message, the rig goes into transmit as it should, sends the text in the macro as it should, but never returns to receive: the red TX light on the KX3 stays on, although the RF output ceases. I have to manually ?tickle? the KX3 XMIT button to get the radio into receive mode. Here is a sample macro text I?ve been using to get this resolved: Testing testing de w6jhb w6jhb k Seems pretty darn basic, but in my case, basic isn?t getting the job done. Anyone else with a KX3 and FLDIGI know what I need to do to get this working w/o having to reach up there and press that XMIT button to get back to receive mode? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB From n4bp at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 30 13:30:29 2016 From: n4bp at bellsouth.net (N4BP) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 10:30:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> 3. I would set the temp calibration back to where it was before shipping it back to Elecraft. Especially since it appears that is the only change you made before the loss of power occurred. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620901.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 13:42:02 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 Message-ID: I just received my KXPD2 yesterday and spent a while adjusting it to my taste. I am very pleased with its feel and quality and have to admit it was worth the wait. 72 de Dave, W5SV From kevin at k4vd.net Sat Jul 30 14:23:25 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:23:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / FLDIGI Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?I'm only guessing here. fldigi has at least two methods of setting PTT on rigs. One uses RigCat (?CAT command for PTT) and the other uses Hardware PTT. I don't know much about Hamlib, flrig or the other tabs. Is it possible PTT is being set by more than one fldigi method and they are conflicting? From z_kevino at hotmail.com Sat Jul 30 14:28:57 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:28:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / FLDIGI Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bet if you go turn off "PPT via Hamlib command," you will be good. -Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:49, James Bennett wrote: > > I have a KX3 and am running FLDIGI 3.22.01 on my Raspberry Pi 3. Everything works? except for one annoying thing and I?m trying to find out if this is an FLDIGI issue or something I need to tweak on the KX3. > > When I fire off a macro such as a CQ message, the rig goes into transmit as it should, sends the text in the macro as it should, but never returns to receive: the red TX light on the KX3 stays on, although the RF output ceases. I have to manually ?tickle? the KX3 XMIT button to get the radio into receive mode. Here is a sample macro text I?ve been using to get this resolved: > > Testing testing de w6jhb w6jhb k > > Seems pretty darn basic, but in my case, basic isn?t getting the job done. Anyone else with a KX3 and FLDIGI know what I need to do to get this working w/o having to reach up there and press that XMIT button to get back to receive mode? > > Thanks, Jim / W6JHB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From w6jhb at me.com Sat Jul 30 15:36:17 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / FLDIGI Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin, Kevin, Jack, & Dirk - Thanks for all your helpful suggestions! And the winner is: Kevin Turned off the ?PTT via Hamlib command? and that cured the problem. Very much appreciated. Now the rig and FLDIGI are MUCH easier to operate! 73, Jim / W6JHB > On Saturday, Jul 30, 2016, at Saturday, 11:28 AM, kevino z wrote: > > I bet if you go turn off "PPT via Hamlib command," you will be good. > > -Kevin (KK4YEL) > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > >> On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:49, James Bennett wrote: >> >> I have a KX3 and am running FLDIGI 3.22.01 on my Raspberry Pi 3. Everything works? except for one annoying thing and I?m trying to find out if this is an FLDIGI issue or something I need to tweak on the KX3. >> >> When I fire off a macro such as a CQ message, the rig goes into transmit as it should, sends the text in the macro as it should, but never returns to receive: the red TX light on the KX3 stays on, although the RF output ceases. I have to manually ?tickle? the KX3 XMIT button to get the radio into receive mode. Here is a sample macro text I?ve been using to get this resolved: >> >> Testing testing de w6jhb w6jhb k >> >> Seems pretty darn basic, but in my case, basic isn?t getting the job done. Anyone else with a KX3 and FLDIGI know what I need to do to get this working w/o having to reach up there and press that XMIT button to get back to receive mode? >> >> Thanks, Jim / W6JHB >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From n9aa at arrl.net Sat Jul 30 15:48:10 2016 From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:48:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <20160730023956.9E25D149B46F@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <20160730023956.9E25D149B46F@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <0f07c754-5b06-7650-19d4-740c9c48083d@arrl.net> Yes, from 2006. Two versions of the amp were on display at Dayton, the KPA800 and KPA1500. Both were working prototypes and both were putting out power, the KPA1500 at 1800+ watts continuously into a dummy load, if I recall properly. Both were things of beauty and planted the Elecraft seed in my brain that eventually resulted in my having a complete K-line, minus the KAT500. 73, Scott N9AA On 7/29/16 10:33 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > From 2006? Really? > > > At 07:28 PM 7/29/2016, ae5x at juno.com wrote: >> Here are those pics: >> http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html >> >> I'm thinking it's the next logical major item for Elecraft to offer. >> >> John AE5X >> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > we offer complete repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com > From jack at satterfield.org Sat Jul 30 15:57:08 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 cycling Message-ID: <001201d1ea9c$8e14f170$aa3ed450$@org> Thought I would report the solution, tried a different power supply to the tuner.that was it. Jack W4GRJ From: Jack Satterfield [mailto:jack at satterfield.org] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 7:15 AM To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: KAT500 cycling I leave the KAT500 on 24/7, several years of perfect operation. Today I sent the usual 15 watts tune carrier on 75 meters the tuner started cycling all lights on and off. Turned the tune carrier off but the tuner continued to cycle. Tuner will only turn off by removing power. Plug power back in it starts cycling. Sounds like a trip to Elecraft but thought I would ask here to see if there is anything I can do. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Jul 30 15:33:48 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? In-Reply-To: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20160729.212848.19498.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20CA0634-00B5-42DF-8F48-1BD006524E3E@elecraft.com> Ancient history, complete with myths and hanging chads. Wayne On Jul 29, 2016, at 7:28 PM, ae5x at juno.com wrote: > Here are those pics: > http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html > > I'm thinking it's the next logical major item for Elecraft to offer. > > John AE5X > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > ___________________________ > and saw a 1kw or more Elecraft prototype. I am sure there are photos out there > somewhere From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Jul 30 18:06:08 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:06:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 DSP vs bhi DSP Message-ID: <1469916368155-7620909.post@n2.nabble.com> For those who have been with a Elecraft KX2 longer than I (1st day), just wondering how you might compare the KX2 DSP to a bhi Compact-in-Line DSP. I have one for use with other rigs lacking DSP. I'll get to trying it with my KX2, but I'm on the early learning curve end still. The KX2 is mighty sweet! Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-DSP-vs-bhi-DSP-tp7620909.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sat Jul 30 18:40:17 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:40:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / FLDIGI Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you using VOX to trigger transmit? If so you might try different VOX GAIN settings. 72, Brian, K0DTJ > On Jul 30, 2016, at 09:47, James Bennett wrote: > > I have a KX3 and am running FLDIGI 3.22.01 on my Raspberry Pi 3. Everything works? except for one annoying thing and I?m trying to find out if this is an FLDIGI issue or something I need to tweak on the KX3. > > When I fire off a macro such as a CQ message, the rig goes into transmit as it should, sends the text in the macro as it should, but never returns to receive: the red TX light on the KX3 stays on, although the RF output ceases. I have to manually ?tickle? the KX3 XMIT button to get the radio into receive mode. Here is a sample macro text I?ve been using to get this resolved: > > Testing testing de w6jhb w6jhb k > > Seems pretty darn basic, but in my case, basic isn?t getting the job done. Anyone else with a KX3 and FLDIGI know what I need to do to get this working w/o having to reach up there and press that XMIT button to get back to receive mode? > > Thanks, Jim / W6JHB > From sidfrissell at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 18:47:46 2016 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 16:47:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 54 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143EC97-B289-4401-B033-40D4C17A8823@gmail.com> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > On Jul 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? > (joeduerbusch) > 2. Re: Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? > (Rick Robinson) > 3. KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB? (w7aqk) > 4. Linear amps (Gmail) > 5. Re: [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger (Bill Frantz) > 6. Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? > (ae5x at juno.com) > 7. KX3 Setting frequency memories via the programming interface > (Bill Frantz) > 8. Re: Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? (Ken Arck) > 9. Re: [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger (Ray Sills) > 10. Re: Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? (Kevin) > 11. Re: Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? (Kevin) > 12. Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? > (Guy Olinger K2AV) > 13. Re: Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? > (Phil Wheeler) > 14. Re: KX2 transmit CW while receiving SSB? (David F. Reed) > 15. Re: KX3 2M External amp -- go linear! (Edward R Cole) > 16. KAT500 cycling (Jack Satterfield) > 17. Let me build your Elecraft kit (Alan Price) > 18. Re: [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger (MaverickNH) > 19. Re: [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger (John) > 20. Re: [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger (Bob N3MNT) > 21. Re: [ KX2] KXBT2 Charger (MaverickNH) > 22. Re: N1MM KX2 and KX3 Issues (Jim GM) > 23. New release of Win4K3Suite (Tom) > 24. KX3 / FLDIGI Problem (James Bennett) > 25. Re: Power has disappeared (N4BP) > 26. KXPD2 (David F. Reed) > 27. Re: KX3 / FLDIGI Problem (Kevin - K4VD) > 28. Re: KX3 / FLDIGI Problem (kevino z) > 29. Re: KX3 / FLDIGI Problem (James Bennett) > 30. Re: Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? > (Scott Manthe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 01:26:33 +0000 > From: joeduerbusch > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Jerry , elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our > future?? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > At Dayton this year, Flex showed their soon to be 1.2 k From z_kevino at hotmail.com Sat Jul 30 19:37:52 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 19:37:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / FLDIGI Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great news. Think this is the first time I managed to contribute a solution to this reflector. I've learned so much from everyone on here, and can say it feels good to help someone out for a change. 73 Hope to work you on the air someday KK4YEL -Kevin No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > On Jul 30, 2016, at 15:39, James Bennett wrote: > > Kevin, Kevin, Jack, & Dirk - > > Thanks for all your helpful suggestions! And the winner is: Kevin Turned off the ?PTT via Hamlib command? and that cured the problem. > > Very much appreciated. Now the rig and FLDIGI are MUCH easier to operate! > > 73, Jim / W6JHB > > >> On Saturday, Jul 30, 2016, at Saturday, 11:28 AM, kevino z wrote: >> >> I bet if you go turn off "PPT via Hamlib command," you will be good. >> >> -Kevin (KK4YEL) >> >> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! >> >>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:49, James Bennett wrote: >>> >>> I have a KX3 and am running FLDIGI 3.22.01 on my Raspberry Pi 3. Everything works? except for one annoying thing and I?m trying to find out if this is an FLDIGI issue or something I need to tweak on the KX3. >>> >>> When I fire off a macro such as a CQ message, the rig goes into transmit as it should, sends the text in the macro as it should, but never returns to receive: the red TX light on the KX3 stays on, although the RF output ceases. I have to manually ?tickle? the KX3 XMIT button to get the radio into receive mode. Here is a sample macro text I?ve been using to get this resolved: >>> >>> Testing testing de w6jhb w6jhb k >>> >>> Seems pretty darn basic, but in my case, basic isn?t getting the job done. Anyone else with a KX3 and FLDIGI know what I need to do to get this working w/o having to reach up there and press that XMIT button to get back to receive mode? >>> >>> Thanks, Jim / W6JHB >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 30 19:41:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 19:41:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 DSP vs bhi DSP In-Reply-To: <1469916368155-7620909.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469916368155-7620909.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <39494f1b-2370-0def-f3d7-8836586cbe6d@embarqmail.com> Bret, Actually you are comparing apples and oranges. Any "in-line" DSP is an audio DSP processor, and it can only do filtering and noise reduction functions at audio frequencies. The KX2, being an SDR radio, does everything with DSP - modulation, demodulation, all filtering as well as some pre-processing for the audio stages is done mathematically. What we used to think of as the modulator, detector, IF filters, AGC, etc. in analog radios does not exist in the KX2/KX3. Instead, the incoming RF signal is sent to a mixer which converts that signal to 8kHz (or baseband in the case of the KX3 without the IF shift active). The resulting 8kHz signal is digitized by an analog to digital converter (ADC). That digital output is mathematically massaged to produce the kind of demodulation and filtering that you have requested from the KX2 knobs and buttons. Once that math result is obtained, it is sent to a digital to analog converter (DAC) as an audio signal which is then amplified to headphone or speaker volume. So bottom line, while the audio DSP units (such as the BHI unit you mentioned) can 'massage' the audio, the KX2 does that massaging at what would be the equivalent of the IF in an analog radio, so the result is that the signal is processed much earlier in the receive chain before distortion products can be present by the distortion inherent in each IF and detector stage. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/30/2016 6:06 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > For those who have been with a Elecraft KX2 longer than I (1st day), just > wondering how you might compare the KX2 DSP to a bhi Compact-in-Line DSP. I > have one for use with other rigs lacking DSP. I'll get to trying it with my > KX2, but I'm on the early learning curve end still. The KX2 is mighty sweet! > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Jul 30 20:29:37 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux Message-ID: <03ee6c18-0774-1db2-ea78-c576722f5490@nycap.rr.com> I am switching from Windows to Linux (Mint) and am wondering if the K3 and other support software works as well on Linux as it does on Windows? Advice/comments from Linux users will me most appreciated. Bill W2BLC K-Line From rhbraun at msn.com Sat Jul 30 20:40:19 2016 From: rhbraun at msn.com (Rick Braun) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:40:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as odd. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Jul 30 20:53:30 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 00:53:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? Message-ID: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> Go to Google Images, enter KPA1500, see numerous images of both. Nice looking equipment. I wonder what happened? Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:48:10 -0400 From: Scott Manthe To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our future?? Message-ID: <0f07c754-5b06-7650-19d4-740c9c48083d at arrl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Yes, from 2006. Two versions of the amp were on display at Dayton, the KPA800 and KPA1500. Both were working prototypes and both were putting out power, the KPA1500 at 1800+ watts continuously into a dummy load, if I recall properly. Both were things of beauty and planted the Elecraft seed in my brain that eventually resulted in my having a complete K-line, minus the KAT500. 73, Scott N9AA On 7/29/16 10:33 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > From 2006? Really? > > > At 07:28 PM 7/29/2016, ae5x at juno.com wrote: >> Here are those pics: >> http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html >> >> I'm thinking it's the next logical major item for Elecraft to offer. >> >> John AE5X >> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > we offer complete repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft You must be a subscriber to post. Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ------------------------------ End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 54 ***************************************** From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Jul 30 20:59:13 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:59:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? In-Reply-To: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> References: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <877a0451-1a41-1dd3-10d2-f49f61b4cabb@socal.rr.com> Sanity prevailed?:-) Phil W7OX On 7/30/16 5:53 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Go to Google Images, enter KPA1500, see numerous images of both. Nice looking equipment. I wonder what happened? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:48:10 -0400 > From: Scott Manthe > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our > future?? > Message-ID: <0f07c754-5b06-7650-19d4-740c9c48083d at arrl.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Yes, from 2006. Two versions of the amp were on display at Dayton, the > KPA800 and KPA1500. Both were working prototypes and both were putting > out power, the KPA1500 at 1800+ watts continuously into a dummy load, if > I recall properly. Both were things of beauty and planted the Elecraft > seed in my brain that eventually resulted in my having a complete > K-line, minus the KAT500. > > 73, > Scott N9AA From jim at jtmiller.com Sat Jul 30 21:12:31 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:12:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? In-Reply-To: <877a0451-1a41-1dd3-10d2-f49f61b4cabb@socal.rr.com> References: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> <877a0451-1a41-1dd3-10d2-f49f61b4cabb@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: IMO the 1K5 amp market is a bit of a mess. I own a KPA500 and continue to consider purchasing a legal limit amp. I'm not impressed by the offerings. Most of amps that I've seen seem to be offered by unstable suppliers with unstable supply chains. I'm not eager to plop down serious cash for something that is likely to be an orphan before the warrantee is up. Plus some of the "legal limit" offerings are pretty dirty when run full out. I'd like the feature set of the KPA500 and legal limit and from a supplier that has some legs. I'd like an Elecraft legal limit amp. jim ab3cv On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Sanity prevailed?:-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 7/30/16 5:53 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > >> Go to Google Images, enter KPA1500, see numerous images of both. Nice >> looking equipment. I wonder what happened? >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 30 >> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:48:10 -0400 >> From: Scott Manthe >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our >> future?? >> Message-ID: <0f07c754-5b06-7650-19d4-740c9c48083d at arrl.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Yes, from 2006. Two versions of the amp were on display at Dayton, the >> KPA800 and KPA1500. Both were working prototypes and both were putting >> out power, the KPA1500 at 1800+ watts continuously into a dummy load, if >> I recall properly. Both were things of beauty and planted the Elecraft >> seed in my brain that eventually resulted in my having a complete >> K-line, minus the KAT500. >> >> 73, >> Scott N9AA >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From ww3s at zoominternet.net Sat Jul 30 21:16:56 2016 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] connector pin changes on final amp? Message-ID: <8A76B13C725745E1B0800CFED0209D51@ww3s> Around what serial number did the change from the nickel type pins to the gold plated one? I?ve heard there was a problem running RTTY on the earlier models with overheating causing trouble with the connectors..... From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 21:27:02 2016 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux In-Reply-To: <03ee6c18-0774-1db2-ea78-c576722f5490@nycap.rr.com> References: <03ee6c18-0774-1db2-ea78-c576722f5490@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> Yes! What exists works well. The selection is less than Windows, however. I use hamlib/xlog/xdx and am happy in my simple world. 73 and enjoy, Mike ab3ap, ubuntu distro (ex PDP11/70, VAX11/780, HP-UX, SGI, UNICOS, Solaris, BSD, gentoo, ???) On 07/30/2016 08:29 PM, Bill wrote: > I am switching from Windows to Linux (Mint) and am wondering if the K3 > and other support software works as well on Linux as it does on Windows? > Advice/comments from Linux users will me most appreciated. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Jul 30 21:38:31 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:38:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux In-Reply-To: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software under Linux works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and straight forward as their Windows software? K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. Bill W2BLC K-Line From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 21:47:02 2016 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:47:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux In-Reply-To: References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fd1b782-ad6f-18f6-b235-dfa33f9bfad3@gmail.com> Yes, it is just as easy. I have no trouble using it for firmware updates, etc. 73, Mike ab3ap On 07/30/2016 09:38 PM, Bill wrote: > I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software under > Linux works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy > and straight forward as their Windows software? > > K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line From a45wg at sy-edm.com Sat Jul 30 22:30:25 2016 From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 06:30:25 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux In-Reply-To: <1fd1b782-ad6f-18f6-b235-dfa33f9bfad3@gmail.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <1fd1b782-ad6f-18f6-b235-dfa33f9bfad3@gmail.com> Message-ID: same here regarding the Elecraft SW Tim A45wg > On Jul 31, 2016, at 5:47 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > Yes, it is just as easy. I have no trouble using it for firmware updates, etc. > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > > On 07/30/2016 09:38 PM, Bill wrote: >> I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software under >> Linux works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy >> and straight forward as their Windows software? >> >> K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From kevin at k4vd.net Sat Jul 30 22:51:30 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 22:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not so sure. Just the rumor of a big Elecraft amp had some people (including me) quite interested. In fact, based on some of the pictures, Elecraft had some interest in the past. Amps are not evil and I also don't think they are incompatible - technically or philosophically - with Elecraft. I value skill, intelligence, cunning and brute force when necessary. If ever Elecraft comes out with a legal limit amp I'd be asking the boss for OT. On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: > I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems > inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed > by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When > receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, > digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of > DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. > blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft > ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, > and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as > odd. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net From bobchortek at yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 22:57:41 2016 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 02:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1644131131.6787948.1469933861784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Agreed, and I'd guess it was purely an economic decision. Bob AA6VB Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 30, 2016, 7:51 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: I'm not so sure. Just the rumor of a big Elecraft amp had some people (including me) quite interested. In fact, based on some of the pictures, Elecraft had some interest in the past. Amps are not evil and I also don't think they are incompatible - technically or philosophically - with Elecraft. I value skill, intelligence, cunning and brute force when necessary. If ever Elecraft comes out with a legal limit amp I'd be asking the boss for OT. On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: > I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor.? It seems > inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed > by someone else.? Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups,? .? When > receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, > digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of > DX receivers.? We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. > blow out the ops with less power.? To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft > ethic.? They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, > and cunning, rather than brute power.? Whole big amp thing struck me as > odd. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From stevewa88 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 23:03:03 2016 From: stevewa88 at gmail.com (Steve Ward) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:03:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 cycling Message-ID: <4de5e06d-c75c-6595-0fbb-576fe580a2d4@gmail.com> When my KAT500 started acting strange I opened it up. There are two thick, green insulated wires that cross each other on the PCB, and the top one had sagged down and got close enough to the bottom one that it had arced through the insulation. I'm guessing I had a less than optimal match! Anyway after consulting support, I gently separated the two lines and put a double layer of electrical tape between to hopefully prevent recurrence. Steve AD7OG From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 31 00:14:41 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:14:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? In-Reply-To: References: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> <877a0451-1a41-1dd3-10d2-f49f61b4cabb@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <9438d3e6-483c-33a1-066b-998ff3c24a35@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,7/30/2016 6:12 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > IMO the 1K5 amp market is a bit of a mess. I'm pretty happy with my three Ten Tec Titans, first built in the early 80s. Designed by K4XU. All bought used for a combined cost of less than $4,000. Two are in my SO2R setup, the third is a spare (T/R relays fail, not a good thing in the middle of a contest). I did some repairs to two of the three right after I bought them, total cost about $250. Not automatic anything, but they WORK, and they're clean. And I've been using them for 11 years now. 73, Jim K9YC From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Sun Jul 31 00:26:50 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:26:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36bfa196-aef8-f131-728f-2573ff920560@cis-broadband.com> Compared to a 500 watt amplifier, 1500 watts represents almost 5 db. If you don't know what 5 db can do when trying to make weak signal contacts you haven't done much of it. I'm not saying that Elecraft should come out with a 1500 watt amp, but amps are NOT just about being loud and busting pileups. They have nothing to do with the front end of receivers and everything to do with fighting noise of one sort or another. Dave Ab7E On 7/30/2016 5:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: > I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as odd. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Jul 31 07:01:47 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 06:01:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux In-Reply-To: References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> * On 2016 30 Jul 20:39 -0500, Bill wrote: > I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software under Linux > works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and straight > forward as their Windows software? > > K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. It sounds like more of a hassle than it really is. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From mail at cvkimball.com Sun Jul 31 07:20:27 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 04:20:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> I received the Return Service Authorization (RSA) on 27 July. I was able to persuade Elecraft to pay the shipping. I'm awaiting a UPS shipping label from them. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7620930.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n4zr at contesting.com Sun Jul 31 09:10:06 2016 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 09:10:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? In-Reply-To: <877a0451-1a41-1dd3-10d2-f49f61b4cabb@socal.rr.com> References: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> <877a0451-1a41-1dd3-10d2-f49f61b4cabb@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <9d947cc9-427b-fb30-0d3c-1255ed05e0a6@contesting.com> I recall seeing that amp at Dayton one year, and knew at least one person who had one for field testing. Looks like a business decision to me - plus that was a long time ago, and the state of the solid-state amp art was a good deal less well along. Presumably modern parts would dictate a complete internal redesign, which might make it prohibitive relative to the demand. 73, Pete N4ZR Download the new N1MM Logger+ at . Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at , now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. On 7/30/2016 8:59 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Sanity prevailed?:-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 7/30/16 5:53 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> Go to Google Images, enter KPA1500, see numerous images of both. >> Nice looking equipment. I wonder what happened? >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 30 >> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:48:10 -0400 >> From: Scott Manthe >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our >> future?? >> Message-ID: <0f07c754-5b06-7650-19d4-740c9c48083d at arrl.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Yes, from 2006. Two versions of the amp were on display at Dayton, the >> KPA800 and KPA1500. Both were working prototypes and both were putting >> out power, the KPA1500 at 1800+ watts continuously into a dummy load, if >> I recall properly. Both were things of beauty and planted the Elecraft >> seed in my brain that eventually resulted in my having a complete >> K-line, minus the KAT500. >> >> 73, >> Scott N9AA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4zr at contesting.com > From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun Jul 31 10:39:25 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 07:39:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux In-Reply-To: <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> All the Elecraft utilities I use work fine on Wine, under Ubuntu 16.04. Using Wine dodges the multiarch requirement, and it seems 100% compatible with all Windoze API calls the utilities make. If you decide to go this way, you'll have to make a symlink between /dev/tty to COM1 in dos_devices. If your serial port under Linux is /dev/ttyUSB0, in a terminal type ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1 [Also, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/685985/symbolic-link-between-usb-and-com-port]. The Linux native utilities are ported from Win32 to the Linux 32-bit API. 73, matt W6NIA On 7/31/2016 4:01 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2016 30 Jul 20:39 -0500, Bill wrote: >> I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software under Linux >> works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and straight >> forward as their Windows software? >> >> K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. > Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit > versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows > 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need > i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, > and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will > probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. > > It sounds like more of a hassle than it really is. > > 73, Nate > -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From w8dn at roadrunner.com Sun Jul 31 11:14:32 2016 From: w8dn at roadrunner.com (Mike Rhodes) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:14:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Ok, I am not a Unix/Linux user. Years ago I did a little C programming on a real-time Unix box but have forgotten way more than I learned about that system (and C). However, I have to ask the question - what is the point of getting away from "windoze" by going to a Linux box and then immediately slapping a fully licensed copy of "Windoze", running under an emulator, on that Linux box. It just seems not only counter-intuitive but counter-productive. Since the majority of the apps that I wish to run are strictly Windows based, it just seems to make more sense to run the real thing natively. If the intent is to not add more to the Gates billions then you have defeated that by running under an emulator. Mike / W8DN On 7/31/2016 10:39 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > All the Elecraft utilities I use work fine on Wine, under Ubuntu > 16.04. Using Wine dodges the multiarch requirement, and it seems 100% > compatible with all Windoze API calls the utilities make. If you > decide to go this way, you'll have to make a symlink between > /dev/tty to COM1 in dos_devices. If your serial port under > Linux is /dev/ttyUSB0, in a terminal type > > ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1 > > [Also, see > http://askubuntu.com/questions/685985/symbolic-link-between-usb-and-com-port]. > > The Linux native utilities are ported from Win32 to the Linux 32-bit API. > > 73, > > matt W6NIA > > > On 7/31/2016 4:01 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >> * On 2016 30 Jul 20:39 -0500, Bill wrote: >>> I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software >>> under Linux >>> works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and >>> straight >>> forward as their Windows software? >>> >>> K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. >> Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit >> versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows >> 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need >> i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, >> and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will >> probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. >> >> It sounds like more of a hassle than it really is. >> >> 73, Nate >> > From w8dn at roadrunner.com Sun Jul 31 11:18:37 2016 From: w8dn at roadrunner.com (Mike Rhodes) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:18:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <3d20b19e-3ac2-3a2b-9b0f-826f1b429729@roadrunner.com> Ok, I already see I have misunderstood something. I mistakenly thought Wine was an emulator that would allow you to run a copy of Windows on Linux where it is actually a Windows on Linux simulator. That answers at least part of my question. Mike / W8DN On 7/31/2016 11:14 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > Ok, I am not a Unix/Linux user. Years ago I did a little C > programming on a real-time Unix box but have forgotten way more than I > learned about that system (and C). > However, I have to ask the question - what is the point of getting > away from "windoze" by going to a Linux box and then immediately > slapping a fully licensed copy of "Windoze", running under an > emulator, on that Linux box. It just seems not only counter-intuitive > but counter-productive. Since the majority of the apps that I wish to > run are strictly Windows based, it just seems to make more sense to > run the real thing natively. If the intent is to not add more to the > Gates billions then you have defeated that by running under an emulator. > > Mike / W8DN > > On 7/31/2016 10:39 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> All the Elecraft utilities I use work fine on Wine, under Ubuntu >> 16.04. Using Wine dodges the multiarch requirement, and it seems >> 100% compatible with all Windoze API calls the utilities make. If >> you decide to go this way, you'll have to make a symlink between >> /dev/tty to COM1 in dos_devices. If your serial port under >> Linux is /dev/ttyUSB0, in a terminal type >> >> ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1 >> >> [Also, see >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/685985/symbolic-link-between-usb-and-com-port]. >> >> The Linux native utilities are ported from Win32 to the Linux 32-bit >> API. >> >> 73, >> >> matt W6NIA >> >> >> On 7/31/2016 4:01 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >>> * On 2016 30 Jul 20:39 -0500, Bill wrote: >>>> I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software >>>> under Linux >>>> works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and >>>> straight >>>> forward as their Windows software? >>>> >>>> K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. >>> Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit >>> versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows >>> 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need >>> i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, >>> and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will >>> probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. >>> >>> It sounds like more of a hassle than it really is. >>> >>> 73, Nate >>> >> > From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Jul 31 11:25:26 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:25:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Some People" does not a market make. The 1KW and up amplifier market is awash with suppliers. Yaesu, Icom, SPE, Ameritron, Alpha, OM Power, Emtron or whoever owns them now, Dishtronics. To be competitive they'd have to design an amp that works with anybody's transceiver just like the KPA500 does with the K3(s) and be as rugged as an AL1500, the contest crowds favorite amp. Add solid state to that and your market shrinks because fewer people will drop $8K+ on an amp. I'd bet they'd sell less than 1,000...ever. Smart move is to let the legal limit amplifier folks do what they do best and Elecraft do what it does best, make radios. On 7/30/2016 9:51 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > I'm not so sure. Just the rumor of a big Elecraft amp had some people > (including me) quite interested. In fact, based on some of the pictures, > Elecraft had some interest in the past. > > Amps are not evil and I also don't think they are incompatible - > technically or philosophically - with Elecraft. I value skill, > intelligence, cunning and brute force when necessary. > > If ever Elecraft comes out with a legal limit amp I'd be asking the boss > for OT. > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: > >> I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems >> inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed >> by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When >> receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, >> digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of >> DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. >> blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft >> ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, >> and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as >> odd. >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun Jul 31 11:28:00 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 08:28:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <4de93acb-9450-f1f0-7833-5a80c7b07f47@roadrunner.com> This isn't really an Elecraft topic, but ... please see https://www.winehq.org/license. You're right, imho. If you have a ton of Windoze software, you should stay with Windoze. Many users have transitioned to Linux recently, particularly after the Win10 nagware episode(s). Some of them have Win software they'd like to keep using. In most cases, wine is a acceptable and valid option for doing that. If the packages they're running are already paid for, it doesn't put any additional $ in M$'s pocket. 73, matt W6NIA On 7/31/2016 8:14 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > Ok, I am not a Unix/Linux user. Years ago I did a little C > programming on a real-time Unix box but have forgotten way more than I > learned about that system (and C). > However, I have to ask the question - what is the point of getting > away from "windoze" by going to a Linux box and then immediately > slapping a fully licensed copy of "Windoze", running under an > emulator, on that Linux box. It just seems not only counter-intuitive > but counter-productive. Since the majority of the apps that I wish to > run are strictly Windows based, it just seems to make more sense to > run the real thing natively. If the intent is to not add more to the > Gates billions then you have defeated that by running under an emulator. > > Mike / W8DN > > On 7/31/2016 10:39 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> All the Elecraft utilities I use work fine on Wine, under Ubuntu >> 16.04. Using Wine dodges the multiarch requirement, and it seems >> 100% compatible with all Windoze API calls the utilities make. If >> you decide to go this way, you'll have to make a symlink between >> /dev/tty to COM1 in dos_devices. If your serial port under >> Linux is /dev/ttyUSB0, in a terminal type >> >> ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1 >> >> [Also, see >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/685985/symbolic-link-between-usb-and-com-port]. >> >> The Linux native utilities are ported from Win32 to the Linux 32-bit >> API. >> >> 73, >> >> matt W6NIA >> >> >> On 7/31/2016 4:01 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >>> * On 2016 30 Jul 20:39 -0500, Bill wrote: >>>> I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software >>>> under Linux >>>> works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and >>>> straight >>>> forward as their Windows software? >>>> >>>> K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. >>> Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit >>> versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows >>> 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need >>> i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, >>> and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will >>> probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. >>> >>> It sounds like more of a hassle than it really is. >>> >>> 73, Nate >>> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From tim at sy-edm.com Sun Jul 31 11:28:56 2016 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:28:56 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: <3d20b19e-3ac2-3a2b-9b0f-826f1b429729@roadrunner.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> <3d20b19e-3ac2-3a2b-9b0f-826f1b429729@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <955B7433-C557-47F3-AF76-C812EA99DD7A@sy-edm.com> Mike, What you are possibly getting a little confused is WINE - which sort of allows Windows executables to run in a Linux environment. How well this solution works depends upon the Application, and the DLL?s. This was initially intended for XP/Win NT. Since lots of Windows apps are now .NET Assemblies this is more tricky to use, as Mono has not been fully embraced by the Open-Source community. Virtualisation - Oracle-Virtual Box (KVM and VMware) allows you to run a different OS (Operating System) machine in another environment (in this case in a Linux Environment). This solution is the most stable - but at the costs of further enriching a large US Multi-National. A very good technique and one used in Data Centres around the world. Welcome on-board - there may be a few bumps on the way - but you are at least on the right path. 73s - A45WG Tim, Muscat: Sultanate of Oman > On 31 Jul 2016, at 19:18, Mike Rhodes wrote: > > Ok, I already see I have misunderstood something. I mistakenly thought Wine was an emulator that would allow you to run a copy of Windows on Linux where it is actually a Windows on Linux simulator. That answers at least part of my question. > > Mike / W8DN > > On 7/31/2016 11:14 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: >> Ok, I am not a Unix/Linux user. Years ago I did a little C programming on a real-time Unix box but have forgotten way more than I learned about that system (and C). >> However, I have to ask the question - what is the point of getting away from "windoze" by going to a Linux box and then immediately slapping a fully licensed copy of "Windoze", running under an emulator, on that Linux box. It just seems not only counter-intuitive but counter-productive. Since the majority of the apps that I wish to run are strictly Windows based, it just seems to make more sense to run the real thing natively. If the intent is to not add more to the Gates billions then you have defeated that by running under an emulator. >> >> Mike / W8DN >> >> On 7/31/2016 10:39 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >>> All the Elecraft utilities I use work fine on Wine, under Ubuntu 16.04. Using Wine dodges the multiarch requirement, and it seems 100% compatible with all Windoze API calls the utilities make. If you decide to go this way, you'll have to make a symlink between /dev/tty to COM1 in dos_devices. If your serial port under Linux is /dev/ttyUSB0, in a terminal type >>> >>> ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1 >>> >>> [Also, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/685985/symbolic-link-between-usb-and-com-port]. >>> >>> The Linux native utilities are ported from Win32 to the Linux 32-bit API. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> matt W6NIA >>> >>> >>> On 7/31/2016 4:01 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >>>> * On 2016 30 Jul 20:39 -0500, Bill wrote: >>>>> I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software under Linux >>>>> works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and straight >>>>> forward as their Windows software? >>>>> >>>>> K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. >>>> Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit >>>> versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows >>>> 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need >>>> i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, >>>> and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will >>>> probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. >>>> >>>> It sounds like more of a hassle than it really is. >>>> >>>> 73, Nate >>>> >>> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 11:29:42 2016 From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:29:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Mike, WINE = *W*ine *I*s *N*ot an *E*mulator You don't run Windows in WINE. You run Windows programs that are then presented the Windows APIs by WINE. Think of WINE as a translator, not an emulator. I otherwise agree with your sentiment. I prefer to run apps in their native environment. Once my favorite programs DXLab and N1MM+ are able to run in Linux natively, I will switch to Linux in a heartbeat! 73, Tony K4QE On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > Ok, I am not a Unix/Linux user. Years ago I did a little C programming > on a real-time Unix box but have forgotten way more than I learned about > that system (and C). > However, I have to ask the question - what is the point of getting away > from "windoze" by going to a Linux box and then immediately slapping a > fully licensed copy of "Windoze", running under an emulator, on that Linux > box. It just seems not only counter-intuitive but counter-productive. Since > the majority of the apps that I wish to run are strictly Windows based, it > just seems to make more sense to run the real thing natively. If the intent > is to not add more to the Gates billions then you have defeated that by > running under an emulator. > > Mike / W8DN From w5jv at hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 11:38:28 2016 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:38:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Tilt Stand ??? Message-ID: Does anyone make a simple flip down bail (wire stand support) for the K1 as is available for the K2 ? I'm continually tilting the K1 back using a book or similar to position the front panel for easier viewing. 1.25 to 1.5" tilt should work. TIA, Doug W5JV K1 007xx From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Jul 31 11:45:40 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 08:45:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: Using TX TEST to adjust speech controls and ALC level In-Reply-To: <8BCA71B0-C1EE-473B-98B6-4CCA93084BD1@elecraft.com> References: <8BCA71B0-C1EE-473B-98B6-4CCA93084BD1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1469979940215-7620941.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm trying this on my K3s, which appears to have the same capability. I have Heil ProSet K2/K3 headphones installed and configured as instructed (1/8" plug to gray AD-1-K adapter jack and 1/4" plug to K3s PHONES jack, with adapter plugged to K3s MIC, and menu MIC SEL set to FP.L bI AS on. With MIC Gain set to 23, I see red TX LED light continuously as I speak, in normal TX mode. With TX TEST selected, the red LED does not slowly blink, and I can see the ALC meter register 5-6 bars, but hear nothing through my headphones. No doubt I am missing a setting, eh? I appreciate the help! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Operating-Tip-Using-TX-TEST-to-adjust-speech-controls-and-ALC-level-tp5289738p7620941.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 31 11:57:28 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:57:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: Using TX TEST to adjust speech controls and ALC level In-Reply-To: <1469979940215-7620941.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8BCA71B0-C1EE-473B-98B6-4CCA93084BD1@elecraft.com> <1469979940215-7620941.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Bret, You have to adjust the MON setting to hear your audio through your headphones. Is MON set to zero? Hold the CMP/PWR knob to get to the MON setting. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2016 11:45 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > I'm trying this on my K3s, which appears to have the same capability. > > I have Heil ProSet K2/K3 headphones installed and configured as instructed > (1/8" plug to gray AD-1-K adapter jack and 1/4" plug to K3s PHONES jack, > with adapter plugged to K3s MIC, and menu MIC SEL set to FP.L bI AS on. > > With MIC Gain set to 23, I see red TX LED light continuously as I speak, in > normal TX mode. With TX TEST selected, the red LED does not slowly blink, > and I can see the ALC meter register 5-6 bars, but hear nothing through my > headphones. > > No doubt I am missing a setting, eh? I appreciate the help! > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 31 12:00:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:00:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Tilt Stand ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ada010-e5eb-76c0-e522-fe430f0bf0ff@embarqmail.com> Doug, None that I know of. If you have a bandsaw (or know someone who has one), I would cut a wedge from a 2x4 that is as long as the K1 is deep. That should be a better solution than a book. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2016 11:38 AM, Doug Hensley wrote: > Does anyone make a simple flip down bail (wire stand support) for the K1 > > as is available for the K2 ? > > > I'm continually tilting the K1 back using a book or similar to position the > > front panel for easier viewing. 1.25 to 1.5" tilt should work. > > > TIA, > > > Doug W5JV > > K1 007xx > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Jul 31 12:06:40 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: <955B7433-C557-47F3-AF76-C812EA99DD7A@sy-edm.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> <3d20b19e-3ac2-3a2b-9b0f-826f1b429729@roadrunner.com> <955B7433-C557-47F3-AF76-C812EA99DD7A@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <6233ab4f-c182-a0d8-333e-a0ee9fcd2331@ac0h.net> Virtual Box is free for non-commercial users. You've got to have some pretty good hardware meaning dual core processor, as much memory as you can afford and a good video card. I have it running on a quad core AMD @ 4.0GHz, 32G of DDR3 ram, and a small time gamer class video card. I have four virtual machines installed, XP, Win7 which gets used the most, Windows 10, and for old times sake DOS 6.22 to run Castle Wolfenstein. The hard drives are a pair of 512 Gig SSD's. I don't run an Linux distro VM because the accessibility options for the Linux desktop just plain suck compared to Windows. You can run Windows on a Linux/FreeBSD host and don't have to dork around trying to get WINE running correctly. WINES days are numbered. On 7/31/2016 10:28 AM, a45wg wrote: > Mike, > What you are possibly getting a little confused is > > WINE - which sort of allows Windows executables to run in a Linux environment. How well this solution works depends upon the Application, and the DLL?s. This was initially intended for XP/Win NT. Since lots of Windows apps are now .NET Assemblies this is more tricky to use, as Mono has not been fully embraced by the Open-Source community. > > Virtualisation - Oracle-Virtual Box (KVM and VMware) allows you to run a different OS (Operating System) machine in another environment (in this case in a Linux Environment). This solution is the most stable - but at the costs of further enriching a large US Multi-National. A very good technique and one used in Data Centres around the world. > > Welcome on-board - there may be a few bumps on the way - but you are at least on the right path. > > 73s - A45WG > > Tim, Muscat: Sultanate of Oman > > > > >> On 31 Jul 2016, at 19:18, Mike Rhodes wrote: >> >> Ok, I already see I have misunderstood something. I mistakenly thought Wine was an emulator that would allow you to run a copy of Windows on Linux where it is actually a Windows on Linux simulator. That answers at least part of my question. >> >> Mike / W8DN >> >> On 7/31/2016 11:14 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: >>> Ok, I am not a Unix/Linux user. Years ago I did a little C programming on a real-time Unix box but have forgotten way more than I learned about that system (and C). >>> However, I have to ask the question - what is the point of getting away from "windoze" by going to a Linux box and then immediately slapping a fully licensed copy of "Windoze", running under an emulator, on that Linux box. It just seems not only counter-intuitive but counter-productive. Since the majority of the apps that I wish to run are strictly Windows based, it just seems to make more sense to run the real thing natively. If the intent is to not add more to the Gates billions then you have defeated that by running under an emulator. >>> >>> Mike / W8DN >>> >>> On 7/31/2016 10:39 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >>>> All the Elecraft utilities I use work fine on Wine, under Ubuntu 16.04. Using Wine dodges the multiarch requirement, and it seems 100% compatible with all Windoze API calls the utilities make. If you decide to go this way, you'll have to make a symlink between /dev/tty to COM1 in dos_devices. If your serial port under Linux is /dev/ttyUSB0, in a terminal type >>>> >>>> ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1 >>>> >>>> [Also, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/685985/symbolic-link-between-usb-and-com-port]. >>>> >>>> The Linux native utilities are ported from Win32 to the Linux 32-bit API. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> matt W6NIA >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/31/2016 4:01 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >>>>> * On 2016 30 Jul 20:39 -0500, Bill wrote: >>>>>> I am only interested in how well the Elecraft provided software under Linux >>>>>> works? I do not use any third party stuff at all. Is it as easy and straight >>>>>> forward as their Windows software? >>>>>> >>>>>> K3 Utility, KPA Utility, etc. >>>>> Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit >>>>> versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows >>>>> 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need >>>>> i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, >>>>> and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will >>>>> probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. >>>>> >>>>> It sounds like more of a hassle than it really is. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Nate >>>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 12:10:32 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: After waiting 6 months I gave in to the Windows 10 nagware, and upgraded my and my wife's Win 7 Pro machines. Regardless of how one might compare Windows and Linux, both our conversions have been stable as a rock, apparently the best version of Windoze that we have ever had. Running ham stuff on Win 10 is a better deal now. It was a little spooky not being able to closely control the upgrades in Win 10, but that hasn't made any difference thus far. YMMV, but have a really good reason to go to Linux. You may want to try Win 10 before you invest all those resources (including your valuable time) in a conversion to Linux. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Anthony Scandurra < anthony.scandurra at gmail.com> wrote: > Mike, > > WINE = *W*ine *I*s *N*ot an *E*mulator > > You don't run Windows in WINE. You run Windows programs that are then > presented the Windows APIs by WINE. Think of WINE as a translator, not an > emulator. > > I otherwise agree with your sentiment. > > I prefer to run apps in their native environment. Once my favorite > programs DXLab and N1MM+ are able to run in Linux natively, I will switch > to Linux in a heartbeat! > > 73, Tony K4QE > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > > > Ok, I am not a Unix/Linux user. Years ago I did a little C programming > > on a real-time Unix box but have forgotten way more than I learned about > > that system (and C). > > However, I have to ask the question - what is the point of getting away > > from "windoze" by going to a Linux box and then immediately slapping a > > fully licensed copy of "Windoze", running under an emulator, on that > Linux > > box. It just seems not only counter-intuitive but counter-productive. > Since > > the majority of the apps that I wish to run are strictly Windows based, > it > > just seems to make more sense to run the real thing natively. If the > intent > > is to not add more to the Gates billions then you have defeated that by > > running under an emulator. > > > > Mike / W8DN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From jrhallas at optonline.net Sun Jul 31 12:33:01 2016 From: jrhallas at optonline.net (Joel Hallas) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] QRO Possibilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01d1eb49$34bebb30$9e3c3190$@net> Interesting discussion about past and future higher power amplifiers. I recently sprung for a KPA500 and love everything about it. In fact my TT Centaur is available, if anyone is interested. I have considered higher power -- and it does make some sense for me -- I am antenna limited. Rather than developing a new amplifier product, it occurred to me that Elecraft could sell more KPA500s if they made a two-amp coupler box to allow a pair to be run together. Since the drive requirements are typically 25 W, a 3 dB splitter should be able to easily drive a pair and a combiner could bring the outputs together -- matched cables required in and out. I could imagine a KPA sized front panel with the splitter and combiner inside, a 1200 W power indicator and duplicate control functions. I think the cost of a pair of KPA500s, and the control/splitter box might be competitive and allow an easy upgrade path for those with a single KPA500. Of course, the KPA500s could be in a closet, since all control is from the combiner box. That gets you 3 dB, rather than 5 -- but it will still be a seamless K3+ setup. Hard not to like, IMHO. The other argument goes like this -- as a mainly CW op, I remember the days when we were limited to 1000 W dc input -- typically a max of 700 W output on a good day. My KPA500 can put out an easy 600 W, within 0.7 dB of what I could only dream of while starting fires with my 811s as a kid who thought he knew everything Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Westport, CT From mark at tannert.net Sun Jul 31 12:36:52 2016 From: mark at tannert.net (Mark Tannert) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:36:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 not sending 100w Message-ID: I have a KX3 / KXPA100 combo. Both are on latest generally available firmware. I can run the power calibration process as documented. My dummy load is 100w capable. After the power calibration process, the amp only seems to put out 60w or so across the bands. I cannot seem to get it to do more than that. Is there something I'm missing or am I facing a hardware issue? Mark, WN8U From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 31 12:38:24 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:38:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <7c3cfdeb-c758-a06e-0ec2-b583b65cb905@embarqmail.com> I have to agree with Guy. I have 7 computers on my home network and the only one still running Win7 is the one at the workbench, which is soon to be replaced because it just runs too slow, and would not upgrade to Win10 anyway. No problems running any ham software on Win10, and the OS seems to be quite solid. In the past, I have tried the switch to Linux, but had numerous problems. My conclusion was that anyone who just wanted a stand-alone computer for web surfing, email and document creation can do that easily with Linux, Firefox, Thunderbird and LibreOffice. Unfortunately, getting communications between networked computers is much more complex, particularly if the installed network is Windows based. I gave up, Windows may have its complexities, but it installs easily and "just runs". If you want to become a computer geek, then have at it with Linux - the support is a mixed bag of geek talk and insults if you do not understand their language. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2016 12:10 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > After waiting 6 months I gave in to the Windows 10 nagware, and upgraded my > and my wife's Win 7 Pro machines. > > Regardless of how one might compare Windows and Linux, both our conversions > have been stable as a rock, apparently the best version of Windoze that we > have ever had. > > Running ham stuff on Win 10 is a better deal now. It was a little spooky > not being able to closely control the upgrades in Win 10, but that hasn't > made any difference thus far. > > YMMV, but have a really good reason to go to Linux. You may want to try Win > 10 before you invest all those resources (including your valuable time) in > a conversion to Linux. > > 73, Guy K2AV > From fcady at montana.edu Sun Jul 31 13:16:05 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:16:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 not sending 100w In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Go into the KXPA Utility and bring up the Operation Screen. The KXPA is pretty sensitive to its supply voltage so you want to check to make sure it isn't sagging below 13.8 volts while you are transmitting. The Utilities operate screen is really useful to watch a lot of things going on. Cheers, Fred KE7X for all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Mark Tannert Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:36 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 not sending 100w I have a KX3 / KXPA100 combo. Both are on latest generally available firmware. I can run the power calibration process as documented. My dummy load is 100w capable. After the power calibration process, the amp only seems to put out 60w or so across the bands. I cannot seem to get it to do more than that. Is there something I'm missing or am I facing a hardware issue? Mark, WN8U ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From k7jltextra at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 13:20:07 2016 From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John K7JLT) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:20:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Tilt Stand ??? Message-ID: When I owned a K1 my tilt stand was a length of 1" flat bar from Home depot bent in a U. It flipped up and just cleared the tuning knob to protect the front panel during transport. John K7JLT John K7JLT Doug Hensley wrote: >Does anyone make a simple flip down bail (wire stand support) for the K1 > >as is available for the K2 ? > > >I'm continually tilting the K1 back using a book or similar to position the > >front panel for easier viewing. 1.25 to 1.5" tilt should work. > > >TIA, > > >Doug W5JV > >K1 007xx > > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k7jltextra at gmail.com From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 13:23:29 2016 From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:23:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB NET Message-ID: <76DAF9E8-EC19-487B-A248-BE7C7C94AF96@gmail.com> All are welcome to join us for the weekly Elecraft SSB net, at 18:00z (UTC) on 14.303.5 in the 20m band. We hope conditions will be a bit better than they have been the last week or two. Eric WB9JNZ, sent the check-in logs from the last two weeks: Elecraft SSB Net 7-24-2016 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 KC9USC Robert IL KX3 9460 N0CE Dick MN K3 5105 N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 W9TF Gene IL K3S 10057 W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329 W4PFM Paul VA K3 1673 K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 K8MU Carl OH K3 7976 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 N6JW John CA K3 936 N0WM Mitch MO K3 5702 K4FI Doug SC K3 6199 KB3FBR Ron TX K3 5287 AA2RR Ron NJ KX3 1864 K4KAY Karl NC K3S 10326 Elecraft SSB Net 7-17-2016 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 N9SRA Steve IL K3S 10563 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 N6JW John CA K3 936 NM7J Steve NV K3 2105 N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 WM6P Steve GA K3 8133 KK6DA David CA K3S 10128 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 W4LDD Larry NC KX3 1356 W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 W5MLM Mark TX KX3 8673 QRP W5SV Dave TX K3 5354 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 K7BRR Bill AZ K3 5545 K6VDW John NV KX3 8046 NQ9V Ramon NC K3 4416 K7EMF Gary WA K3 4628 W4PPM Paul VA K3 1673 K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 QRP From brendon at whateley.com Sun Jul 31 13:23:55 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? In-Reply-To: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> References: <4B7D16E8-9E55-4900-8651-03B7146AF7F1@law.du.edu> Message-ID: I believe they built a couple of prototypes to evaluate the feasibility of making such a product. In the end, it was decided that it would not be an economically viable addition to the product lineup and was shelved. No conspiracy. Nothing sinister. But sadly for those who might want to buy such a beast, nothing in sight along those lines. - Brendon KK6AYI On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Go to Google Images, enter KPA1500, see numerous images of both. Nice > looking equipment. I wonder what happened? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:48:10 -0400 > From: Scott Manthe > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our > future?? > Message-ID: <0f07c754-5b06-7650-19d4-740c9c48083d at arrl.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Yes, from 2006. Two versions of the amp were on display at Dayton, the > KPA800 and KPA1500. Both were working prototypes and both were putting > out power, the KPA1500 at 1800+ watts continuously into a dummy load, if > I recall properly. Both were things of beauty and planted the Elecraft > seed in my brain that eventually resulted in my having a complete > K-line, minus the KAT500. > > 73, > Scott N9AA > > > On 7/29/16 10:33 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > > From 2006? Really? > > > > > > At 07:28 PM 7/29/2016, ae5x at juno.com wrote: > >> Here are those pics: > >> http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html > >> > >> I'm thinking it's the next logical major item for Elecraft to offer. > >> > >> John AE5X > >> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > > we offer complete repeater packages! > > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > > http://www.irlp.net > > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 147, Issue 54 > ***************************************** > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Jul 31 13:33:39 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:33:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <20160731173339.GZ22814@n0nb.us> * On 2016 31 Jul 10:35 -0500, Anthony Scandurra wrote: > I prefer to run apps in their native environment. Once my favorite > programs DXLab and N1MM+ are able to run in Linux natively, I will switch > to Linux in a heartbeat! I suspect the sun will go dark first... ;-) 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Jul 31 13:39:26 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 09:39:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: <201607311739.u6VHdRNQ026792@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I was going to say something like what Kevin has. I have a HB 300w linear sspa built from Comm Concepts kit which sitting on the dusty shelf and a 140w amp from them. BTW both are for sale. I bought the KXPA-100* which work nicely with either my KX3 or K3/10 driving at about 4w. If I did more HF I guess I would want more RF power but cannot justify several $K for that. For what I would spend on a KPA-500 I could build a 1200w LDMOS amp using the kit board from Jim Klitzing - W6PQL. Of course I like building. That would not have all the nice features or integrating ATU. If I had the disposable cash the KPA-500 would be just fine. Stack more aluminum for more ERP!! I am more likely to spend ham dollars on my VHF+ "stuff". Current project is converting a Harris KW ch2 TV linear to 6m. It will drive with 8-10w. Yesterday, we held a celebration of life at Rich Strand's KL7RA (sk) Nikiski QTH and admiring the multi-multi contest station he built - Lots of the amps that have been mentioned in that room. I feel that Wayne and Eric are very smart businessman and they consider the market very carefully when looking at a new product line. Probably why they are staying out of the QRO market or VHF amp market (which I dipped my toe into). 73, Ed - KL7UW *Nice opening from Alaska to PacNW on 6m last two days (my 80w worked well) From: Kevin To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed "Some People" does not a market make. The 1KW and up amplifier market is awash with suppliers. Yaesu, Icom, SPE, Ameritron, Alpha, OM Power, Emtron or whoever owns them now, Dishtronics. To be competitive they'd have to design an amp that works with anybody's transceiver just like the KPA500 does with the K3(s) and be as rugged as an AL1500, the contest crowds favorite amp. Add solid state to that and your market shrinks because fewer people will drop $8K+ on an amp. I'd bet they'd sell less than 1,000...ever. Smart move is to let the legal limit amplifier folks do what they do best and Elecraft do what it does best, make radios. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Jul 31 13:42:29 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:42:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? Message-ID: If one were to construct a demand curve (or surface) with three axes ? predicting units sold as a function of price and RF power ? I would bet there would be a significant discontinuity at about 600 ? 700 watts. Below that, an amp can run from ordinary home 117 VAC without a dedicated line, as I now run my KPA500. Above that it begins to become dicey to do so; and at some point below 1.5 KW it requires 220 VAC to the desktop. That means that even if the selling price of the amp were smoothly continuous with the power output, the total cost to many buyers would not be. It would require some buyers? investing in additional wiring to the shack, as mine would. So I would expect the demand curve to have a so-called downward knee somewhere above 500 watts but lower than 1.5 KW, which could change the production investment analysis significantly. Among other factors, that might have helped make the KPA500 a financially optimal choice. Just my guess. Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver From: on behalf of Brendon Whateley Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:23 AM To: Edward Dauer Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? I believe they built a couple of prototypes to evaluate the feasibility of making such a product. In the end, it was decided that it would not be an economically viable addition to the product lineup and was shelved. No conspiracy. Nothing sinister. But sadly for those who might want to buy such a beast, nothing in sight along those lines. - Brendon KK6AYI From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Jul 31 13:48:51 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:48:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67C61B90-012B-4330-94C5-260FC789CDA2@wunderwood.org> Another factor in the market size ? some countries allow a maximum of 400W (UK and Australia, at least). I think the limit in Canada is 750W. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 31, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > > If one were to construct a demand curve (or surface) with three axes ? predicting units sold as a function of price and RF power ? I would bet there would be a significant discontinuity at about 600 ? 700 watts. Below that, an amp can run from ordinary home 117 VAC without a dedicated line, as I now run my KPA500. Above that it begins to become dicey to do so; and at some point below 1.5 KW it requires 220 VAC to the desktop. That means that even if the selling price of the amp were smoothly continuous with the power output, the total cost to many buyers would not be. It would require some buyers? investing in additional wiring to the shack, as mine would. So I would expect the demand curve to have a so-called downward knee somewhere above 500 watts but lower than 1.5 KW, which could change the production investment analysis significantly. Among other factors, that might have helped make the KPA500 a financially optimal choice. > > Just my guess. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > Edward A. Dauer > Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law > University of Denver > > > From: on behalf of Brendon Whateley > Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:23 AM > To: Edward Dauer > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? > > I believe they built a couple of prototypes to evaluate the feasibility of making such a product. In the end, it was decided that it would not be an economically viable addition to the product lineup and was shelved. > > No conspiracy. Nothing sinister. But sadly for those who might want to buy such a beast, nothing in sight along those lines. > > - Brendon > KK6AYI > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Jul 31 14:00:35 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:00:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile Message-ID: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> We bought a new truck this week: 2015 (new from dealer) Ford F250 crew cab diesel 4x4: http://www.kl7uw.com/New_Rover_1.jpg Saved $17K off msrp since it will be two years old when 2017 models hit the sales floor. Got 321 miles and getting 19.1 mpg (so far). It will be outfitted with a dual-band VHF/UHF mobile and the KX3+KXPA-100. I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. We'll be adding a 5th wheel trailer next spring for doing a little road tripping. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 31 14:16:52 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:16:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: On Sun,7/31/2016 11:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. Do you work CW? It's a LOT more effective under the marginal conditions that often exist on 6M/2M. Saw you spotted yesterday on the calling frequency. That's a great place to monitor, but a terrible place to operate. The good ops move off the calling frequency when the band is open. 73, Jim K9YC From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sun Jul 31 14:20:20 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Man, if I could only fit all that in my Corvette Ken At 11:00 AM 7/31/2016, Edward R Cole wrote: >We bought a new truck this week: 2015 (new from dealer) Ford F250 >crew cab diesel 4x4: >http://www.kl7uw.com/New_Rover_1.jpg > >Saved $17K off msrp since it will be two years old when 2017 models >hit the sales floor. Got 321 miles and getting 19.1 mpg (so far). > >It will be outfitted with a dual-band VHF/UHF mobile and the >KX3+KXPA-100. I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. > >We'll be adding a 5th wheel trailer next spring for doing a little >road tripping. > >73, Ed - KL7UW >http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" >Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From kevinr at coho.net Sun Jul 31 14:32:33 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:32:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: After a rather hot week with poor propagation it is now cool again - with poor propagation. There are sunspots today with an SFU of 71. A CME is due to hit but not until Tuesday. So we get to test our ears and find the peaks of the QSB. Some days you can ride the waves just right and have a contact; other days it just does not work. Hopefully I will be able to reach the East Coast again on 20 meters. The reverse beacon net shows me hitting PA, NY, CT, and Ontario as well as GA, NC, SC, & FL. If you're on your radio please tune us in and check us out. Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Jul 31 14:37:08 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> Apparently you don't know Elecraft's engineering process. Many "Elecraft" products were "designed by someone else", starting with the DSP in the K2. Here's what Wayne had to say about that: "A major milestone in our history was the KDSP2 option for the K2. Lyle Johnson, KK7P, became known to us *after* he had mostly completed this highly versatile DSP unit. He reverse-engineered the auxBus protocol and made the KDSP2 behave as if it were a KAF2, which plugged into the same spot. He showed it to us, and we immediately adopted both the product and Lyle himself." Lyle now works for Elecraft from the comfort of his home here in Tucson..(What I call, "distributed engineering.") Many other "Elecraft" designs were done similarly, by someone else, PAs included. BTW QRO is about being heard. I'm often amused by the digital mode crowd, who profess that one doesn't need "power" to get through, i.e., "I work the world with 5 W on ESP (your favorite mode here)." Some of them even make imaginary QSOs on EME. http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html Wes N7WS www.qrz.com/db/n7ws On 7/30/2016 5:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: > I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as odd. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Jul 31 14:51:06 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:51:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a 1500w amp from Elecraft in our past? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good points. I retired a Drake L-4B that gave me terrific service for years, but was big, heavy, noisy, didn't cover 160 or 6 meters in favor of the KPA500. I did have a dedicated 240V service that was totally safe, but technically not to code because the conduit wasn't buried deep enough. So I yanked it out, saving my survivors the trouble. I gained desk space and lowered the heat load in my shack, which is in a big closet that is without A/C. Wes N7WS www.qrz.com/db/n7ws On 7/31/2016 10:42 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > If one were to construct a demand curve (or surface) with three axes ? predicting units sold as a function of price and RF power ? I would bet there would be a significant discontinuity at about 600 ? 700 watts. Below that, an amp can run from ordinary home 117 VAC without a dedicated line, as I now run my KPA500. Above that it begins to become dicey to do so; and at some point below 1.5 KW it requires 220 VAC to the desktop. That means that even if the selling price of the amp were smoothly continuous with the power output, the total cost to many buyers would not be. It would require some buyers? investing in additional wiring to the shack, as mine would. So I would expect the demand curve to have a so-called downward knee somewhere above 500 watts but lower than 1.5 KW, which could change the production investment analysis significantly. Among other factors, that might have helped make the KPA500 a financially optimal choice. > > Just my guess. > > Ted, KN1CBR > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 14:57:48 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:57:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Anyone I hear making QSO's on the calling frequency goes on my "don't ever work" list posted on my desk, and will miss my somewhat rare grid square. (DN36) (;-) 73 K0PP On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,7/31/2016 11:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. >> > > Do you work CW? It's a LOT more effective under the marginal conditions > that often exist on 6M/2M. Saw you spotted yesterday on the calling > frequency. That's a great place to monitor, but a terrible place to > operate. The good ops move off the calling frequency when the band is open. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Jul 31 15:09:21 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:09:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: So if it is a calling frequency, who calls and what is the expected behavior if the caller is answered within the "sometime seconds" of opening? 73 jim ab3cv On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Rose wrote: > Anyone I hear making QSO's on the calling frequency goes on my > "don't ever work" list posted on my desk, and will miss my somewhat > rare grid square. (DN36) (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > > > On Sun,7/31/2016 11:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > > >> I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. > >> > > > > Do you work CW? It's a LOT more effective under the marginal conditions > > that often exist on 6M/2M. Saw you spotted yesterday on the calling > > frequency. That's a great place to monitor, but a terrible place to > > operate. The good ops move off the calling frequency when the band is > open. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 15:22:07 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <877699984.7387303.1469992927069.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> CALL, MOVE OFF....... Mel, K6KBE From: Rose To: Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My New Mobile Anyone I hear making QSO's on the calling frequency goes on my "don't ever work" list posted on my desk, and will miss my somewhat rare grid square. (DN36) (;-) 73 K0PP On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,7/31/2016 11:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. >> > > Do you work CW? It's a LOT more effective under the marginal conditions > that often exist on 6M/2M. Saw you spotted yesterday on the calling > frequency. That's a great place to monitor, but a terrible place to > operate. The good ops move off the calling frequency when the band is open. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Jul 31 15:24:33 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:24:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Interesting attitudes. I agree that hogging a calling frequency is bad form. That said, an answered CQ could be responded to with, "K0PP DM42 from N7WS" in no more time than, "K0PP I'm moving to 144.210." If this was a meteor burst there would be no QSO, but at least I wouldn't be on you s list. I guess everyone should just monitor the calling frequency but never ever call there. End of problem. On 7/31/2016 11:57 AM, Rose wrote: > Anyone I hear making QSO's on the calling frequency goes on my > "don't ever work" list posted on my desk, and will miss my somewhat > rare grid square. (DN36) (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >> On Sun,7/31/2016 11:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> >>> I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. >>> >> Do you work CW? It's a LOT more effective under the marginal conditions >> that often exist on 6M/2M. Saw you spotted yesterday on the calling >> frequency. That's a great place to monitor, but a terrible place to >> operate. The good ops move off the calling frequency when the band is open. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Jul 31 15:24:38 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:24:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile Message-ID: <201607311924.u6VJOc3s004315@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Jim, I'm long time* off CW so my receiving needs some work (practise) before I try to do any significant CW (on any band). *Long time means 1958-59 when I was a Novice. Certainly CW gets thru under marginal conditions. KL7YK was active yesterday on 50.095. And 50.125 is clobbered by QRM but this where people monitor. If I were to call in the blind at 50.130 or 50.140 I could be totally missed in a short opening. But sometimes I do QSY up. I would never try CW while mobile, though. Someone "down there" needs to spot me onto another frequency for that to work (usually). I didn't stay on the logger after I started working stations. Plenty of others to do the spotting. A couple years ago during the CQ VHF Contest I did some work at 50.260 on digital modes but not a lot of 6m folks do that, it seems. I will be trying some meteor scatter and eme on 6m after my kW amp is running. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My New Mobile Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My New Mobile On Sun,7/31/2016 11:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. Do you work CW? It's a LOT more effective under the marginal conditions that often exist on 6M/2M. Saw you spotted yesterday on the calling frequency. That's a great place to monitor, but a terrible place to operate. The good ops move off the calling frequency when the band is open. 73, Jim K9YC 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From pincon at erols.com Sun Jul 31 15:32:00 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: <877699984.7387303.1469992927069.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> <877699984.7387303.1469992927069.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201d1eb62$38d99140$aa8cb3c0$@erols.com> The many beacons below 50.1 will tell you if the band is open, and to where. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mel Farrer via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:22 PM To: Rose Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My New Mobile CALL, MOVE OFF....... Mel, K6KBE From: Rose To: Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My New Mobile Anyone I hear making QSO's on the calling frequency goes on my "don't ever work" list posted on my desk, and will miss my somewhat rare grid square. (DN36) (;-) 73 K0PP On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,7/31/2016 11:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> I have the 2M module so can operate 6m/2m SSB for roving/mobile. >> > > Do you work CW? It's a LOT more effective under the marginal > conditions that often exist on 6M/2M. Saw you spotted yesterday on the > calling frequency. That's a great place to monitor, but a terrible > place to operate. The good ops move off the calling frequency when the band is open. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 31 15:32:12 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:32:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <201607311800.u6VI0Zvc005465@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: On Sun,7/31/2016 12:09 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > So if it is a calling frequency, who calls and what is the expected > behavior if the caller is answered within the "sometime seconds" of opening? When I use the calling frequency, it's when I hear few if any signals on the band, and I announce a frequency up the band where I am listening. Like K0PP, I refuse to work stations on the calling frequency. Working on the calling frequency is bad in at least two important ways. First, when you're using it, you often cover up other stations who want to use it correctly. Second, because it's a calling frequency, others who are using it, properly or improperly, will QRM you and the stations calling you. A year or two ago, an OT VHF operator working from a high QTH overlooking Silicon Valley "Bogarted" the 6M and 2M calling frequencies with high power for much of the contest that he won for our ARRL division. If you wanted to use the calling frequency correctly, you couldn't. I no longer work him during contests. 73, Jim K9YC From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Jul 31 15:33:47 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:33:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: Using TX TEST to adjust speech controls and ALC level In-Reply-To: References: <8BCA71B0-C1EE-473B-98B6-4CCA93084BD1@elecraft.com> <1469979940215-7620941.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1469993627788-7620968.post@n2.nabble.com> Hey Don - that was the missing setting indeed! The K3s isn't your Father's transceiver, for sure. In fact, my FT-897D is sitting on the floor waiting to be re-purposed. The red LED doesn't blink in TX TEST still...I saw some controversy about that on the forum, so maybe the blinking is disabled by default, if not permanently. 73s, BRET/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Operating-Tip-Using-TX-TEST-to-adjust-speech-controls-and-ALC-level-tp5289738p7620968.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 15:42:49 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:42:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Calling frequency "behavior" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "CQ" several times ... "this is K0PP in DN36 listening 50.140, etc.". I usually don't even listen (on the calling frequency) after I call CQ. I've already stated where I'm listening. BTW ... one should -always- know/give your grid square. For most it's more important than your actual city/town. Beware of grid info found on QRZ.com ... nearby Butte, MT has border dividing the town and several with POB's aren't in the same grid as the POB listed on QRZ. 73 K0PP From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Jul 31 15:50:59 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:50:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: Using TX TEST to adjust speech controls and ALC level In-Reply-To: <1469993627788-7620968.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8BCA71B0-C1EE-473B-98B6-4CCA93084BD1@elecraft.com> <1469979940215-7620941.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469993627788-7620968.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: If you're referencing the RED TX lED, it only lights up when actually transmitting, not in TEST mode. ?billc nr4c > On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > > Hey Don - that was the missing setting indeed! The K3s isn't your Father's > transceiver, for sure. In fact, my FT-897D is sitting on the floor waiting > to be re-purposed. > > The red LED doesn't blink in TX TEST still...I saw some controversy about > that on the forum, so maybe the blinking is disabled by default, if not > permanently. > > 73s, BRET/KC1CJN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Operating-Tip-Using-TX-TEST-to-adjust-speech-controls-and-ALC-level-tp5289738p7620968.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 31 16:00:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:00:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: Using TX TEST to adjust speech controls and ALC level In-Reply-To: <1469993627788-7620968.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8BCA71B0-C1EE-473B-98B6-4CCA93084BD1@elecraft.com> <1469979940215-7620941.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469993627788-7620968.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <23684a68-a0c6-4eb6-6797-313e3dc8325b@embarqmail.com> Bret, The TX LED never did blink during TX TEST, What blinks is the "TX" icon on the LCD - to the right of the display. I guess someone mixed up LED and LCD in some posting in the past. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2016 3:33 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Hey Don - that was the missing setting indeed! The K3s isn't your Father's > transceiver, for sure. In fact, my FT-897D is sitting on the floor waiting > to be re-purposed. > > The red LED doesn't blink in TX TEST still...I saw some controversy about > that on the forum, so maybe the blinking is disabled by default, if not > permanently. > > From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Jul 31 16:01:27 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux In-Reply-To: <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <20160731200127.GB22814@n0nb.us> * On 2016 31 Jul 06:03 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Be aware that the Elecraft utilities are only available in 32 bit > versions at this time. If you use a distribution that allows > 'multiarch', and Mint should being a Debian derivative, you will need > i386 architecture enabled if your base architecture is amd64. Ubuntu, > and probably Mint, have this enabled on amd64 installations. You will > probably have to manually install the i386 versions of some libraries. To help, I've posted a short note on my blog about enabling multiarch and which i386 packages need to be installed. So far I have tested the K3 and P3 utilities: http://www.n0nb.us/blog/2016/07/running-electraft-utilities-on-linux-amd64-and-multiarch/ 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Jul 31 16:18:23 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:18:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] My New Mobile In-Reply-To: <201607311924.u6VJOc3s004315@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201607311924.u6VJOc3s004315@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <9f2639d3-8be0-22fc-2897-d6fb3510b278@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,7/31/2016 12:24 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Jim, > > I'm long time* off CW so my receiving needs some work (practise) > before I try to do any significant CW (on any band). *Long time means > 1958-59 when I was a Novice. CWOPS holds free classes online at three skill levels. They work well, and there's a pretty long waiting list. Several of my friends have been through them. > > Certainly CW gets thru under marginal conditions. When W6JTI was in CM79, he was easy copy on CW, WAY above the noise. When we switched to SSB a few minutes later, he was VERY rough copy. The difference between CW and SSB is dramatic. > KL7YK was active yesterday on 50.095. I think all of my KL7 QSOs (3-4) have been on CW. > And 50.125 is clobbered by QRM but this where people monitor. If I > were to call in the blind at 50.130 or 50.140 I could be totally > missed in a short opening. That was certainly true years ago, but with the increasingly widespread use of panadapters and other spectrum displays, Skimmers, and spotting clusters, you're going to get spotted almost no matter where you operate! There are dozens of skimmers around NA on 6M. There are lots of K3s and KX3s on 6M, many of them with P3s. Also SDRs and rigs with LP-Pan. > A couple years ago during the CQ VHF Contest I did some work at 50.260 > on digital modes but not a lot of 6m folks do that, it seems. I will > be trying some meteor scatter and eme on 6m after my kW amp is running. For years, digital mode skeds have been coordinated via chat rooms. ON4KST and Ping Jockey are the most popular that I know of. JT65 has firmly established operating frequencies on all the ham bands up to at least 2M. On 6M, it's USB with a dial frequency of 50.276 MHz, and 2 kHz higher for JT9. WSJT-X, the most popular software application for JT65 and JT9, can be set to automatically spot all decoded signals to PSKReporter, and many JT65 operators spot signals heard to a DX cluster. If you load VE7CC's excellent CCluster application on your Windoze machine, it's easy to set it to display only 6M and 2M spots, and only those in parts of the world that you care about. dxmaps.com displays a map of the last hour or so of cluster spots on a map. As I write this, there are spots from the western US to KL7HBK and WL7X, and much of the eastern US is working VP2ETE. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Jul 31 16:19:00 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Calling frequency "behavior" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks! jim ab3cv On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > "CQ" several times ... "this is K0PP in DN36 listening 50.140, etc.". I > usually don't even listen (on the calling frequency) after I call CQ. I've > already stated where I'm listening. > > BTW ... one should -always- know/give your grid square. For most it's > more important than your actual city/town. > > Beware of grid info found on QRZ.com ... nearby Butte, MT has border > dividing the town and several with POB's aren't in the same grid as the POB > listed on QRZ. > > 73 > > K0PP > From n4cc at windstream.net Sun Jul 31 16:20:18 2016 From: n4cc at windstream.net (Greg) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:20:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> It's amazing how many people offer an opinion on what the market would be for an Elecraft 1500 watt amplifier. People just know it wouldn't be successful without a clue who might or might not really be interested. They're right...the QRP'ers would not be interested, for one, would be very interested. People who have amplifiers sitting on shelves collecting dust would not be interested. So who would be interested -- contesters and DX'ers. I own a KPA500 and it is very nice; the integration with the K3 makes it a pleasure to use...but I want the capability to run full legal limit. I own several full legal limit amps but would gladly get rid of one or more for an Elecraft amp. At my age and being retired, I care more about value, engineering design, and service than I do about price. There are lots of people who spend $6 - $14K on a radio...why not an amplifier? The majority of serious contesters and DX'ers own a K3. If a KPA1500 had the same features as the KPA500 then it would be compatible with the K3, remember the drive required on each band, put the K3 back at 100 watts when in standby, be upgradeable through Elecraft's utilities, have Elecraft's service commitment, would match the K-line, would be fully self-protected, and it would be made and serviced in the USA. Elecraft has already dealt with the requirements for an amp to be compatible with other rigs than the K3 so that would not be an issue with the 1500. Contesters especially would appreciate convenience with the instant band switching with no need to touch drive controls or worry about antenna selection. I'll offer my opinion that a lot of people who already own a 1500 watt amplifier would go ahead and purchase an Elecraft amplifier for all the reasons mentioned. Alphas used to be the cat's meow but the products and service they have now don't measure up to what Dick Ehrhorn used to offer. I wouldn't discourage Eric/Wayne from considering a KPA1500. I hope they do it. Put me on the list to get one if/when they do. 73, Greg-N4CC From cautery at montac.com Sun Jul 31 16:37:59 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> References: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> Message-ID: <6cb098f0-0669-1cb2-f040-dde75ac405f6@montac.com> Building a pile of cash for an amp... Would definitely prefer to hand that pile of cash to Elecraft than to any other company... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/31/2016 3:20 PM, Greg wrote: > Put me on the > list to get one if/when they do. 73, Greg-N4CC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Jul 31 16:39:19 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> References: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> Message-ID: <420a15b3-c86f-b305-4a8b-68356fb2e7de@triconet.org> I would even reinstall the 240V service:-) On 7/31/2016 1:20 PM, Greg wrote: > It's amazing how many people offer an opinion on what the market would be > for an Elecraft 1500 watt amplifier. People just know it wouldn't be > successful without a clue who might or might not really be interested. > They're right...the QRP'ers would not be interested, for one, would be very > interested. People who have amplifiers sitting on shelves collecting dust > would not be interested. So who would be interested -- contesters and > DX'ers. > > I own a KPA500 and it is very nice; the integration with the K3 makes it a > pleasure to use...but I want the capability to run full legal limit. I own > several full legal limit amps but would gladly get rid of one or more for an > Elecraft amp. At my age and being retired, I care more about value, > engineering design, and service than I do about price. There are lots of > people who spend $6 - $14K on a radio...why not an amplifier? > > The majority of serious contesters and DX'ers own a K3. If a KPA1500 had > the same features as the KPA500 then it would be compatible with the K3, > remember the drive required on each band, put the K3 back at 100 watts when > in standby, be upgradeable through Elecraft's utilities, have Elecraft's > service commitment, would match the K-line, would be fully self-protected, > and it would be made and serviced in the USA. Elecraft has already dealt > with the requirements for an amp to be compatible with other rigs than the > K3 so that would not be an issue with the 1500. Contesters especially would > appreciate convenience with the instant band switching with no need to touch > drive controls or worry about antenna selection. I'll offer my opinion that > a lot of people who already own a 1500 watt amplifier would go ahead and > purchase an Elecraft amplifier for all the reasons mentioned. Alphas used > to be the cat's meow but the products and service they have now don't > measure up to what Dick Ehrhorn used to offer. I wouldn't discourage > Eric/Wayne from considering a KPA1500. I hope they do it. Put me on the > list to get one if/when they do. 73, Greg-N4CC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Jul 31 16:39:29 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:39:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> Message-ID: <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> The K2 DSP is the only such case, and as noted, Lyle has been with us exclusively ever since. All other Elecraft products were designed by our full-time or part-time engineering staff. We would not source someone else's QRO amp design. We would reserve the fun for ourselves :) Those exploratory models from 2006 were designed by our senior RF engineer in his "spare time." If he gets the itch again someday, we'll let you know. 73, Wayne N6KR ----- http://www.elecraft.com > On Jul 31, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Apparently you don't know Elecraft's engineering process. Many "Elecraft" products were "designed by someone else", starting with the DSP in the K2. Here's what Wayne had to say about that: > > "A major milestone in our history was the KDSP2 option for the K2. Lyle Johnson, KK7P, became known to us *after* he had mostly completed this highly versatile DSP unit. He reverse-engineered the auxBus protocol and made the KDSP2 behave as if it were a KAF2, which plugged into the same spot. He showed it to us, and we immediately adopted both the product and Lyle himself." > > Lyle now works for Elecraft from the comfort of his home here in Tucson..(What I call, "distributed engineering.") > > Many other "Elecraft" designs were done similarly, by someone else, PAs included. > > BTW QRO is about being heard. I'm often amused by the digital mode crowd, who profess that one doesn't need "power" to get through, i.e., "I work the world with 5 W on ESP (your favorite mode here)." Some of them even make imaginary QSOs on EME. http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html > > Wes N7WS > www.qrz.com/db/n7ws > > >> On 7/30/2016 5:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: >> I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as odd. >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 31 16:57:09 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:57:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <1644131131.6787948.1469933861784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1644131131.6787948.1469933861784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301d1eb6e$1b173250$514596f0$@biz> It's an economic decision for the Ham too. The KPA500 can be run from any decent 120VAC mains outlet as long as there aren't too many other loads on it. But going above that power level forces the Ham to have 240 VAC in the shack, something many of us do not normally plan for. That can be a very expensive addition to the cost of the amp, especially if the mains panel is not expandable as needed. Of course, it's a "no brainer" for those looking to run the legal limit, but for the average Ham it can be a real consideration. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Agreed, and I'd guess it was purely an economic decision. Bob AA6VB Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 17:31:35 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 07:31:35 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <003301d1eb6e$1b173250$514596f0$@biz> References: <1644131131.6787948.1469933861784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <003301d1eb6e$1b173250$514596f0$@biz> Message-ID: <579e6e37.83de620a.7ad3e.46b5@mx.google.com> The kpa500 runs happily on generator power. For those of us who wander around as well as expeditions etc, the kpa500 works great. Many of us are possibly in the silent majority NOT into buying a 1500w amplifier. Having said that, I am aware of big amps working into dipoles here in VK, loud, and mostly deaf...:-) I have been beating on my field test kpa500 unit from day one, not a single heart stopping event has occurred to date. Not all amp are created equal Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" Sent: ?1/?08/?2016 6:57 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp It's an economic decision for the Ham too. The KPA500 can be run from any decent 120VAC mains outlet as long as there aren't too many other loads on it. But going above that power level forces the Ham to have 240 VAC in the shack, something many of us do not normally plan for. That can be a very expensive addition to the cost of the amp, especially if the mains panel is not expandable as needed. Of course, it's a "no brainer" for those looking to run the legal limit, but for the average Ham it can be a real consideration. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Agreed, and I'd guess it was purely an economic decision. Bob AA6VB Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From k0acp at k0acp.com Sun Jul 31 17:36:34 2016 From: k0acp at k0acp.com (Art Peters) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:36:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <34FE4829-E107-48FD-B924-17850545BBFE@k0acp.com> I would say, here is to itchy conditions ?. 73, Art Peters, K0ACP k0acp at k0acp.com > On Jul 31, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > The K2 DSP is the only such case, and as noted, Lyle has been with us exclusively ever since. All other Elecraft products were designed by our full-time or part-time engineering staff. > > We would not source someone else's QRO amp design. We would reserve the fun for ourselves :) > > Those exploratory models from 2006 were designed by our senior RF engineer in his "spare time." If he gets the itch again someday, we'll let you know. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ----- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Jul 31, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Wes Stewart > wrote: >> >> Apparently you don't know Elecraft's engineering process. Many "Elecraft" products were "designed by someone else", starting with the DSP in the K2. Here's what Wayne had to say about that: >> >> "A major milestone in our history was the KDSP2 option for the K2. Lyle Johnson, KK7P, became known to us *after* he had mostly completed this highly versatile DSP unit. He reverse-engineered the auxBus protocol and made the KDSP2 behave as if it were a KAF2, which plugged into the same spot. He showed it to us, and we immediately adopted both the product and Lyle himself." >> >> Lyle now works for Elecraft from the comfort of his home here in Tucson..(What I call, "distributed engineering.") >> >> Many other "Elecraft" designs were done similarly, by someone else, PAs included. >> >> BTW QRO is about being heard. I'm often amused by the digital mode crowd, who profess that one doesn't need "power" to get through, i.e., "I work the world with 5 W on ESP (your favorite mode here)." Some of them even make imaginary QSOs on EME. http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html >> >> Wes N7WS >> www.qrz.com/db/n7ws >> >> >>> On 7/30/2016 5:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: >>> I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as odd. >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0acp at k0acp.com From brian at brianlinn.com Sun Jul 31 17:38:47 2016 From: brian at brianlinn.com (Brian J. Linn) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:38:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Higher Power than KPA500 Message-ID: <007c01d1eb73$ec019c70$c404d550$@com> All: Given that Elecraft will not be creating an amp of greater than 500 watts, I've a question for the group. If I really want to run a greater number of watts than my KPA500 will deliver, do you recommend a) the purchase of one of the higher end 1 or 1.5 kW amps, or b) searching out a combiner to use multiple KPA500s? 73, Brian - KD0HII K Line Operator From josh at voodoolab.com Sun Jul 31 17:39:33 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <003301d1eb6e$1b173250$514596f0$@biz> References: <1644131131.6787948.1469933861784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <003301d1eb6e$1b173250$514596f0$@biz> Message-ID: <11cf8733-6209-b716-bf44-0cc21dbee9a8@voodoolab.com> Before I switched to the K3, I ran Icom gear with their PW-1 amp. While the PW-1 had a few shortcomings, having a 160-6 KW amp with built-in tuner, 4 antenna outs which auto-select per band, and integration with the transceiver was pretty great. It had an internal switching power supply which would run from either 120 or 240v. At 120v max output power was reduced. These days my operating is primarily HF contesting and 6m EME, so a 500W amp is not interesting. Something like the PW-1, done right with Elecraft's attention to detail, absolutely would be interesting. 73, Josh W6XU From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 18:43:30 2016 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:43:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT Message-ID: <343a5390-c1e3-6283-97e0-c82c7c73e5d6@gmail.com> Regarding networking linux and Windows, it's not an issue these days. At work our lab has a network of gear from Keysight, Tektronix, and Rohde & Schwarz, as well as Windows and linux computers. Absolutely no issues and none of us are IT guys. We managed - thank you, Google! - to set up one machine as dhcp server, ntp server and file server. Another runs an ubuntu mirror since our lab must remain off the internet. We record and edit signals with Keysight software on Windows, automate tests in python on linux, and run Matlab on both OSes. A web server for the lab makes data accessible throughout. We find that Windows is good for 'canned' software when you need to run commercial stuff. When you need to do custom work linux is the way to go. To format higher mathematics use LaTeX on either OS. Bringing this back to ham radio, I think OS can be chosen along similar lines. Mix and match what you need with whatever OS supports it. Our lab is proof that it's not hard anymore. 73, Mike ab3ap From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Sun Jul 31 19:03:31 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:03:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <34FE4829-E107-48FD-B924-17850545BBFE@k0acp.com> References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> <34FE4829-E107-48FD-B924-17850545BBFE@k0acp.com> Message-ID: <9182cecb-a495-d680-3bff-d4312518ab51@Bayland.net> ditto ditto ! ;-) 73 de NS9I On 7/31/2016 4:36 PM, Art Peters wrote: > I would say, here is to itchy conditions ?. > > 73, > > Art Peters, K0ACP > k0acp at k0acp.com > > > >> On Jul 31, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> The K2 DSP is the only such case, and as noted, Lyle has been with us exclusively ever since. All other Elecraft products were designed by our full-time or part-time engineering staff. >> >> We would not source someone else's QRO amp design. We would reserve the fun for ourselves :) >> >> Those exploratory models from 2006 were designed by our senior RF engineer in his "spare time." If he gets the itch again someday, we'll let you know. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ----- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> >>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Wes Stewart > wrote: >>> >>> Apparently you don't know Elecraft's engineering process. Many "Elecraft" products were "designed by someone else", starting with the DSP in the K2. Here's what Wayne had to say about that: >>> >>> "A major milestone in our history was the KDSP2 option for the K2. Lyle Johnson, KK7P, became known to us *after* he had mostly completed this highly versatile DSP unit. He reverse-engineered the auxBus protocol and made the KDSP2 behave as if it were a KAF2, which plugged into the same spot. He showed it to us, and we immediately adopted both the product and Lyle himself." >>> >>> Lyle now works for Elecraft from the comfort of his home here in Tucson..(What I call, "distributed engineering.") >>> >>> Many other "Elecraft" designs were done similarly, by someone else, PAs included. >>> >>> BTW QRO is about being heard. I'm often amused by the digital mode crowd, who profess that one doesn't need "power" to get through, i.e., "I work the world with 5 W on ESP (your favorite mode here)." Some of them even make imaginary QSOs on EME. http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html >>> >>> Wes N7WS >>> www.qrz.com/db/n7ws >>> >>> >>>> On 7/30/2016 5:40 PM, Rick Braun wrote: >>>> I was heartened to see Wayne?s response to this rumor. It seems inceivable that Elecraft would offer such a product, much less one designed by someone else. Big amps are about being loud, busting pileups, . When receivers were less sensitive and sophisticated, e.g. digital filters, digital noise reduction, etc., you needed power to get in the front ends of DX receivers. We don?t need that power anymore except to contest, i.e. blow out the ops with less power. To me this don?t seem like the Elecraft ethic. They aren?t QRP snobs, and they seem to value skill, intelligence, and cunning, rather than brute power. Whole big amp thing struck me as odd. >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k0acp at k0acp.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Jul 31 20:06:36 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:06:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> References: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> Message-ID: <4f3a8532-b6b1-8a62-e782-8bbacf68e422@ac0h.net> On 7/31/2016 3:20 PM, Greg wrote: "I own a KPA500 and it is very nice; the integration with the K3 makes it a pleasure to use...but I want the capability to run full legal limit. I own several full legal limit amps but would gladly get rid of one or more for an Elecraft amp. At my age and being retired, I care more about value,engineering design, and service than I do about price. There are lots of people who spend $6 - $14K on a radio...why not an amplifier?" You assume because they have spent that kind of money on a radio they will turn right around and spend that on an amp. I'm saying they won't, not even an Elecraft amp. "The majority of serious contesters and DX'ers own a K3." No argument there, The exception I know of is K3LR who runs Icom 7851's And a majority of those multi-multi and dedicated DX chasing stations are running tube amps of one flavor or another, most likely an AL-1500 on each band. They aren't looking for fancy shmancy doodads. They want simple brute force power. There is a reason why more Ameritron amps are sold than Alpha's and it's not price. It's simplicity. The RF section of an Alpha amp is pretty much bomb proof as is the AL1500. It's all the microprocessor controlled "stuff" that breaks. If an Ameritron breaks during the contest there's a better than even chance of fixing it before the contest is over. Not so with an Alpha. "Contesters especially would appreciate convenience with the instant band switching with no need to touch drive controls or worry about antenna selection." Nope, SO2R's and multi-multi class stations are running dedicated amps per band or radio with integrated automatic antenna switching running off band data from the radio. The only time the Op raises a finger is to hit another function key in N1MM+. If you're running stations in a contest you won't touch the amp no need to. If your chasing P5 on twenty meters you won't move far enough in the pile to have to re tune the amp. "I'll offer my opinion that a lot of people who already own a 1500 watt amplifier would go ahead and purchase an Elecraft amplifier for all the reasons mentioned". For those folks it's obviously a pissing contest...boys and their toys. To make it profitable for Elecraft they'd probably have to sell as many 1500W amps as Ameritron does. A tall order at twice the price. Then there's SPE who make a legal limit SSPA right now that does almost everything the KPA500 does with a K3. It'll even do kinda sorta SO2R in one box. It's $8K+ and I wouldn't contest with one. The "I can't fix it" rule kicks in. The tube is still king of the brute force crowd. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 31 20:29:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:29:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1986d33d-37b7-99e7-c823-b05757678d6d@embarqmail.com> Wes, You will have to find an example beyond the KDSP2 to support that assertion. Yes, Lyle did design the KSDP2 independently, and then when he presented it to Elecraft, it became a product - *and* Lyle was subsequently hired by Elecraft as their DSP designer. All other products were designed by engineers working either full time or part time for Elecraft. The fact that they are not all working at a desk in Watsonville is not important. The Elecraft staff is distributed throughout the country, and I represent the Elecraft legacy line for repairs, and I am located in Wake Forest, NC. Email and other forms of communication keep us working together - for me the only handicap is the time difference, Watsonville does not "wake up" until 11AM my time. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2016 2:37 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Apparently you don't know Elecraft's engineering process. Many > "Elecraft" products were "designed by someone else", starting with the > DSP in the K2. Here's what Wayne had to say about that: From km6cq at km6cq.com Sun Jul 31 20:30:53 2016 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:30:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. Message-ID: Once the FCC removes the 15 dB gain limitation on amateur amplifiers *Petition for Rule Making* (*RM-11767* ) Then Elecraft can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. That would give us the ability to run our KX?s as a very effective mobile rig. This would compliment Elecrafts theme of products much more than a legal limit amp, that really you can find anywhere. 73, Dan KM6CQ Don't sacrifice your hobby for the right house. From Dubinse at aol.com Sun Jul 31 20:38:04 2016 From: Dubinse at aol.com (Dubinse at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:38:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Blue" topic list Message-ID: <49ca45.43311130.44cff3ec@aol.com> First off, I really like reading the Elecraft reflector. Not only is it my main source of info about Elecraft gear and operation, but many interesting other ham radio (and life in general) topics. However, there are times when I am too busy/lazy to read everything and find it tedious to copy topics into the search field ( "CRTL F" ) etc. On quite a few blogs and email newsletters I have seen the topic list is structured as a set of links to the specific items; such that, one clicks the (blue) topic and jumps right to the posting. I wonder whether this might be done with this Elecraft reflector? I realize I am being selfish and lackadaisical, but please consider this suggestion. VY 73 de W3UEC (Steve) From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Jul 31 20:53:12 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:53:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <1986d33d-37b7-99e7-c823-b05757678d6d@embarqmail.com> References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <1986d33d-37b7-99e7-c823-b05757678d6d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <79a4a81e-495c-c497-4599-7448f9d8add1@socal.rr.com> Re "Lyle did design the KSDP2 independently, and then when he presented it to Elecraft, it became a product - *and* Lyle was subsequently hired by Elecraft as their DSP designer.": An impressive job interview, that :-) And the KDSP2 remains a favorite of mine; I replaced the KAF2 with it as soon as it was available,it really makes a difference in my K2! Given the design constraints of adding it to the K2 after the design was more-or-less complete, it's menu system is not the most user friendly. But using the K2 with KDSP2 alongside my K3, KX3 and KX2 the K2 still holds its own. 73, Phil W7OX On 7/31/16 5:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wes, > > You will have to find an example beyond the > KDSP2 to support that assertion. > Yes, Lyle did design the KSDP2 independently, > and then when he presented it to Elecraft, it > became a product - *and* Lyle was subsequently > hired by Elecraft as their DSP designer. > > All other products were designed by engineers > working either full time or part time for > Elecraft. The fact that they are not all > working at a desk in Watsonville is not > important. The Elecraft staff is distributed > throughout the country, and I represent the > Elecraft legacy line for repairs, and I am > located in Wake Forest, NC. Email and other > forms of communication keep us working together > - for me the only handicap is the time > difference, Watsonville does not "wake up" until > 11AM my time. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/31/2016 2:37 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Apparently you don't know Elecraft's >> engineering process. Many "Elecraft" products >> were "designed by someone else", starting with >> the DSP in the K2. Here's what Wayne had to >> say about that: From josh at voodoolab.com Sun Jul 31 20:54:51 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:54:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <4f3a8532-b6b1-8a62-e782-8bbacf68e422@ac0h.net> References: <000601d1eb68$f6b135f0$e413a1d0$@net> <4f3a8532-b6b1-8a62-e782-8bbacf68e422@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <9d778d04-1078-9b88-4c97-b3615fd00cca@voodoolab.com> I wouldn't make any assumption about what Elecraft customers will do! I understand people deciding to upgrade their K3 to the K3S. What has completely mystified me is how many people upgrade the synthesizer(s) and THEN dump the rig to replace it with a nearly identical radio! I'm sure my view is biased since when faced with the same choice, it seemed only logical to upgrade my existing radios which work great and are configured how I like them. I guess this horse is dead, no?! hi 73, Josh W6XU On 7/31/2016 5:06 PM, Kevin wrote: > > You assume because they have spent that kind of money on a radio they > will turn right around and spend that on an amp. I'm saying they > won't, not even an Elecraft amp. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 31 20:56:01 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:56:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Blue" topic list In-Reply-To: <49ca45.43311130.44cff3ec@aol.com> References: <49ca45.43311130.44cff3ec@aol.com> Message-ID: <7c190deb-a1b1-9670-850a-36e9098229a3@embarqmail.com> Steve, If you mean URLs that are included as part of the post, then that is already present, all you have to do is click on the link. OTOH, if you are thinking of clicking on a post topic (thread) to see all the relevant posts to that thread, you may want to look into the Nabble presentation of the Elecraft email reflector. I may be considered "archaic" by some, but I receive all posts to my subscribed discussion groups via email. My email client can arrange the posts by threads if I want (usually I do not), and I can reply to any one post easily (as I am doing for yours). I do not wish to click on a bunch of links to get to a particular "topic" such as might be available in Yahoo Groups or others. Signing into a group to get information is a PITA as far as I am concerned. In other words, I like this mailman.qth.com list just as it is - plain email that I can read and respond to if I desire. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/31/2016 8:38 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote: > First off, I really like reading the Elecraft reflector. Not only is it my > main source of info about Elecraft gear and operation, but many interesting > other ham radio (and life in general) topics. However, there are times > when I am too busy/lazy to read everything and find it tedious to copy topics > into the search field ( "CRTL F" ) etc. On quite a few blogs and email > newsletters I have seen the topic list is structured as a set of links to the > specific items; such that, one clicks the (blue) topic and jumps right to > the posting. I wonder whether this might be done with this Elecraft > reflector? I realize I am being selfish and lackadaisical, but please consider this > suggestion. > VY 73 de W3UEC (Steve) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 20:57:11 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:57:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 6M Calling Frequency usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excellent question Ed! You are expected to respond to your caller on your announced listening frequency. (You've already set the second VFO there before calling CQ.) What happens next can vary. If the band is "open" with vigor, you're likely to get more than one caller ... maybe dozens ... on your listening frequency .... much like you are a rare DX station on HF. BTW, you never spread your callers out by something like "up 2" or "up 5". That would cause QRM to someone trying to work -his- callers. Actually, I've then had "runs" of many logbook pages and several hours without ever returning to the calling frequency (50.125). Anything else I can help with? 73 Ken - K0PP 406-797-3340 On Jul 31, 2016 6:36 PM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: And then what? I mean this question seriously ? I have not operated 2M or 6M for more than 50 years, but might sometime soon; and I have not heard a discussion of the VHF calling frequency etiquette until now. So if I call on the calling frequency ?CQ de KN1CBR in DM78 listening on 50.140? and someone calls me there, what?s my proper reply? Would he have expected me to QSY to 50.140 to reply, and also be listening there? Or do I reply with ?K0PP de KN1CBR QSY to 50.140? and then do so myself? Or can I reply on the calling frequency with ?K0PP QSL TU? and then end it? Further, what?s the cw equivalent of ?listening on? ? would it be ?up 5? or ?up to 50.xxx?? "CQ" several times ... "this is K0PP in DN36 listening 50.140, etc.". I usually don't even listen (on the calling frequency) after I call CQ. I've already stated where I'm listening. BTW ... one should -always- know/give your grid square. For most it's more important than your actual city/town. Beware of grid info found on QRZ.com ... nearby Butte, MT has border dividing the town and several with POB's aren't in the same grid as the POB listed on QRZ. 73 K0PP From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 21:29:00 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Blue" topic list In-Reply-To: <7c190deb-a1b1-9670-850a-36e9098229a3@embarqmail.com> References: <49ca45.43311130.44cff3ec@aol.com> <7c190deb-a1b1-9670-850a-36e9098229a3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Same here, Don. All my groups, reflectors and normal email from 3 accounts come into Thunderbird. Then I use Thunderbird to filter out what I know I don't care about. On this reflector, I filter out any mention of rigs I don't own or don't have any intention of owning. That leaves just a few posts a day now. The odd K1 or K2 post, and several OT posts. hi. It may be archaic, but it has worked for several decades for me. I see everything I want and nothing I don't. If somehow I miss something important, it will come back to haunt me. I don't have to go looking for it. Eric KE6US On 7/31/2016 5:56 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Steve, > > If you mean URLs that are included as part of the post, then that is > already present, all you have to do is click on the link. > > OTOH, if you are thinking of clicking on a post topic (thread) to see > all the relevant posts to that thread, you may want to look into the > Nabble presentation of the Elecraft email reflector. > > I may be considered "archaic" by some, but I receive all posts to my > subscribed discussion groups via email. My email client can arrange > the posts by threads if I want (usually I do not), and I can reply to > any one post easily (as I am doing for yours). I do not wish to click > on a bunch of links to get to a particular "topic" such as might be > available in Yahoo Groups or others. Signing into a group to get > information is a PITA as far as I am concerned. > > In other words, I like this mailman.qth.com list just as it is - plain > email that I can read and respond to if I desire. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 7/31/2016 8:38 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote: >> First off, I really like reading the Elecraft reflector. Not only is >> it my >> main source of info about Elecraft gear and operation, but many >> interesting >> other ham radio (and life in general) topics. However, there are times >> when I am too busy/lazy to read everything and find it tedious to >> copy topics >> into the search field ( "CRTL F" ) etc. On quite a few blogs and email >> newsletters I have seen the topic list is structured as a set of >> links to the >> specific items; such that, one clicks the (blue) topic and jumps >> right to >> the posting. I wonder whether this might be done with this Elecraft >> reflector? I realize I am being selfish and lackadaisical, but >> please consider this >> suggestion. >> VY 73 de W3UEC (Steve) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From lists at subich.com Sun Jul 31 21:43:57 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:43:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <782c3174-64f5-ec7b-d58f-cda7fb30bbd5@subich.com> > Then Elecraft can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. Heaven help us, NO! The 12V amplifiers are marginally clean enough at 100W. A 500W 12V amplifier is likely to have IMD be much poorer than -30 dB PEP. What we really need is a 48V final for the K3/K3S (maybe at 200W) so we can see IMD in the -45 dB to -50 dB PEP range where it really should be. It's time to make a stand for cleaner signals ... not signals in the same class as the "no name" Italian and Chinese amplifiers. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/31/2016 8:30 PM, Dan Baker wrote: > Once the FCC removes the 15 dB gain limitation on amateur amplifiers *Petition > for Rule Making* (*RM-11767* > ) Then Elecraft can > build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. That would give us the ability to > run our KX?s as a very effective mobile rig. This would compliment > Elecrafts theme of products much more than a legal limit amp, that really > you can find anywhere. > > 73, Dan KM6CQ > > Don't sacrifice your hobby > for the right house. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Jul 31 22:15:53 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d1eb9a$a1d692a0$e583b7e0$@biz> Dan, the issue is producing more than 100 watts from a 12-volt supply without unacceptable levels of IMD. That's why Elecraft used a 60-volt power supply in the KPA500. If the gain restrictions are removed, Elecraft (and anyone else) could produce a 500 watt amplifier that worked from an exciter with any level of drive, even less than 1 watt. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Baker Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:31 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. Once the FCC removes the 15 dB gain limitation on amateur amplifiers *Petition for Rule Making* (*RM-11767* ) Then Elecraft can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. That would give us the ability to run our KX?s as a very effective mobile rig. This would compliment Elecrafts theme of products much more than a legal limit amp, that really you can find anywhere. 73, Dan KM6CQ Don't sacrifice your hobby for the right house. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 22:39:56 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses In-Reply-To: <3b430bd7-5289-bcf9-6503-d8846d0cca34@cis-broadband.com> References: <932B4418-9744-406D-B9E7-A385CA00999E@law.du.edu> <86e8ded3-58ca-c901-1e13-b521bceabdbd@cis-broadband.com> <1469bc99-a3db-1f47-bc80-fadfe84f779f@triconet.org> <17f06965-547a-6d4c-556d-f116d606a093@triconet.org> <89c8aa9c-cf1f-e97a-9240-52cc8c54ff05@audiosystemsgroup.com> <62dd2820-726b-f83b-1e33-f083acdf4573@triconet.org> <9b90c716-bc2d-1362-cea9-6bccdd97a0a2@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5789368D.3020800@comcast.net> <3b430bd7-5289-bcf9-6503-d8846d0cca34@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Also, several changes of a dB or two add up. Oh Yeah. Particularly on any band where it's common to have poor but open paths. Oh Yeah. Sing it again, Sam.... These last few dB's count on 160 particularly, just about all the time, on 80 an awful lot of the time. These are bands where even a merely moderate loss can put you in the noise at the other end. The real expenditure of resources needs to be with the grey matter. As one evil friend persists in saying regardless of who it offends, "Don't-do-dumb-sh*t doesn't cost any money". RF loss is mostly self-inflicted. Maybe because looking at model patterns, we think we can get that predicted gain just by throwing up some wires in the same shape. But the model is missing the implementation and the environment. We have proven cases of self-inflicted 12 dB total losses to an antenna system. You *can* buy an amp to cancel out the 12 dB, that would be the same as 100 watts after fixing the 12 dB. Yeah, *measured* that one. That bad surely *is* uncommon. But would you take total 6 or 7 dB loss eliminated? That happens a fair amount. My evil friend also says "Fix stupid before spending money". He must have laughed for 15 minutes when I told him the 12 dB story. He could barely breathe. Of course that's really no fun if it was you or I that just did stupid, and my evil friend says "Fix stupid before spending money". Grrrr. But loss is loss. In some professions it's "First, do no harm." In antenna system design and implementation it's "First, do no loss." There are some exceptions. Distance to antennas and cost/suitability of feedline is a balancing act. Just do your best. At least try to quantify it, and mull on it for a while. Read up. Talk to someone who is not inside your own brain. We all have our personal blind spots, and good friends who will tell us the truth are priceless. Just one example, one local ham (not the evil friend) put up ON4UN style 4 x 1/8 wave raised radial systems for his phased pair of 160m verticals using #14 THHN. He did not strip the insulation. UV destroyed the insulation in only two years which had deteriorated to a rather strange appearance, but "something" was left of the insulation still hanging on the #14. The *measured* effective series resistance of the two radial systems was 18 and 21 ohms. The radials were replaced with BARE #12. After that the *measured* effective series resistance of the two radial systems was 4 and 5 ohms respectively. The R component of the repaired system feed of the vertical with the 5 ohm radials was now 38 ohms. Calculating backward, the 16 ohms of unnecessary deteriorated insulation series resistance would have produced a feed R of 54 ohms and a completely amazing 1.5 dB loss caused by the THHN insulation on the four 1/8 wave elevated radial wires. We don't know whether the THHN was that lossy from the get-go, as this parameter was not measured right after the THHN initially went up. It could have gotten better with the deterioration. We will never know. The local ham bought the THHN from his local home improvement store, just like me and the rest of us, for the reduced bulk cost, which is typically half the cost of the same length of bare wire from outlets who will actually sell you spools of bare #12. Said local ham is witness to a stripping technique I used that will allow you to strip the wire with a dull pocket knife at walking speed. Back to my evil friend, who says "Fix stupid before......" Grrr.... I will say positively that stripping THHN to create bare copper will eliminate certain losses. One really should consider it. My evil friend says "Leaving THHN insulation on wire used in antenna systems is stupid." Go shoot HIM. You should see his list of "stupids". Grrr, Grrr, and triple Grrr. It's hardly just leaving the insulation on THHN used for antenna wire. K9YC (not the evil friend) says "Also, several changes of a dB or two add up." And he surely is right, especially on the low bands. They do add up. Death by a thousand paper cuts. Used to hear a thing on TV a lot, "Do you know where your children are?" Remember that? Do you know where your losses are? Be just as irritated about a 2 dB loss out in the feed and antenna systems as you would be if your supposedly 1500 watt brick-on-key super-pileup-stomper amp, for which you just spent multi-kilo-bucks, would only load up to 950 watts, no matter the drive power. Oh yeah, 2 dB loss in an antenna system used for QRP? On any given day that can be the difference between weak-but-heard and no contact. The low band contesting season is just a few short months away, and approaching at the same speed as Christmas and New Year's. Go eliminate a loss or two. 73, Guy K2AV. From mark at tannert.net Sun Jul 31 23:19:57 2016 From: mark at tannert.net (Mark Tannert) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:19:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 not sending 100w Message-ID: Thank you all for the very kind suggestions on the weekend. Ryan (AI6DO) nailed it with my having somehow bumped the attenuator switch in the back panel. It was set to "IN". Changing that restored expected operation. My poor KX3/KXPA100 has been the mainstay of my NPOTA activations this year, and has taken some mild abuse being transferred from car to shack to car to shack to car and such. A new HF rig is in the car now permanently and the KX3/KXPA100 shall remain in the shack. Cheers and Thanks! Mark, WN8U