[Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 141, Issue 38
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Wed Jan 27 16:27:56 EST 2016
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> 1. OT: need a 250 gig IDE HD? (Jim Sheldon)
> 2. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
> (Bill Frantz)
> 3. OT: 250 gig Hard Drive (Jim Sheldon)
> 4. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
> (Craig Smith)
> 5. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
> (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
> 6. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
> (Kenneth Christiansen)
> 7. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
> (Phil Kane)
> 8. Re: FW: Lutron dimmers (Fred Townsend)
> 9. DCHF-200 Directional Coupler Documentation (JWAHAR BAMMI)
> 10. K3S DIGOUT1 question (Jim Miller)
> 11. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (Don Wilhelm)
> 12. P3 Save SVGA state via USB (Ken Widelitz)
> 13. P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working (Ken Widelitz)
> 14. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (RIchard Williams)
> 15. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (Jim Miller)
> 16. Re: Faint clicking sound in headphones (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
> 17. P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Ken Widelitz)
> 18. For Sale: K3 roofing filters (Erik Basilier)
> 19. Re: P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working (Dave Cole)
> 20. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (Vic Rosenthal)
> 21. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (RIchard Williams)
> 22. Re: P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
> 23. Re: P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
> (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
> 24. Re: P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Ken Widelitz)
> 25. Using the internal K144xv to feed other transverters. (Dave Glenn)
> 26. For Sale: K3 Filters (Joe Word)
> 27. Re: P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Paul Saffren)
> 28. K3-S - CW Keying for Contests (a45wg)
> 29. Digital Input Pin? (David Kuechenmeister)
> 30. Re: K3-S - CW Keying for Contests (Rick Tavan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:46:09 -0600
> From: Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: need a 250 gig IDE HD?
> Message-ID: <86B5624E-5E1F-445E-9F92-E893E21BB2D4 at cox.net>
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> Anybody need a 250 gigabyte IDE (not ATA) hard drive? I have an essentially new Western Digital WD2500JB "Caviar", IDE, 3.5" hard drive. This has never been installed or partitioned.
>
> It was sent to me by mistake and I was told to keep it when they replaced it with an eSATA drive of the same size.
>
> $25 gets it shipped to you anywhere in the U.S.
>
> Contact me off the reflector if you want it. First "I'll take it" (by date/time on the email) gets right of first refusal.
>
> Jim, W0EB
> w0eb at cox.net
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:22:31 -0800
> From: Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
> Switches
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> FWIW, we have an old Lift Master 1/2 Horsepower garage door
> opener. It's manual said not to use CFLs (it is too old to know
> about LEDs). I tried CFLs anyway. They lasted less than 2 weeks
> before they died.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:30:25 -0600
> From: Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 250 gig Hard Drive
> Message-ID: <E9237C2B-B3DC-462E-9DD1-FA819A1ABDA6 at cox.net>
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> The hard drive has been sold.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:48:17 -0700
> From: Craig Smith <craig at powersmith.net>
> To: Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
> Switches
> Message-ID: <2FC07C53-0BCC-4DFE-92F0-C4123357EB6A at powersmith.net>
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> Thanks, Bill. I have the newer DC motor with Battery Backup Liftmaster, but I?m guessing the receivers might be similar. Interestingly, in the new manual they actually recommend CFLs but warn against LED. Obviously the front end of their receiver is not designed to Elecraft standards ;>)
>
> 73 Craig AC0DS
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:59:40 -0600
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
> Switches
> Message-ID: <56A7DE3C.6070704 at blomand.net>
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> If you choose to use incandescent lamps in the garage door opener,
> choose the "heavy duty vibration resistant" bulbs. These can also be
> found labeled as "ceiling fan" bulbs. Seems that they have 3 or 4 wires
> supporting the filament as opposed to only two wires for the standard bulb.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>> On 1/26/2016 2:48 PM, Craig Smith wrote:
>> Thanks, Bill. I have the newer DC motor with Battery Backup Liftmaster, but I?m guessing the receivers might be similar. Interestingly, in the new manual they actually recommend CFLs but warn against LED. Obviously the front end of their receiver is not designed to Elecraft standards ;>)
>>
>> 73 Craig AC0DS
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:09:22 -0600
> From: Kenneth Christiansen <w0cz at i29.net>
> To: Craig Smith <craig at powersmith.net>
> Cc: John Pitz <crustacean at brig-elec.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
> Switches
> Message-ID: <C8F30DA8-354B-429E-8669-50B1C2892410 at i29.net>
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> Hi to the group
> I have a 40 year old Sears chain drive door opener with two Cree led bulbs. They have been there for over 2 years with no problem using the remote. Every bulb in my house except the oven and refrigerator has been replaced by Cree led bulbs. I have run my K3 and P3 on each antenna on battery power with main AC off than turned everything on in order and no change in noise level. I consider myself lucky.
> Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Craig Smith <craig at powersmith.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the garage door opener experience. I had my door and opener replaced a few months ago. The manual for the opener (Lift Master) specifically says not to use LED bulbs. I was scratching my head over that but did use CFLs in the opener. I asked the installer why that recommendation was there, and he said he didn?t know why LEDs couldn?t be used. But, as your experience shows, it appears that it can indeed be a problem. Probably the close proximity of the opener receiver to the poorly filtered (for some bulbs) switch-mode converters in the bulbs.
>>
>> 73 Craig AC0DS
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:30:04 -0800
> From: Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
> Switches
> Message-ID: <56A7E55C.2060304 at kanafi.org>
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>> On 1/26/2016 12:59 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>
>> If you choose to use incandescent lamps in the garage door opener,
>> choose the "heavy duty vibration resistant" bulbs. These can also be
>> found labeled as "ceiling fan" bulbs. Seems that they have 3 or 4 wires
>> supporting the filament as opposed to only two wires for the standard bulb.
>
> They are also called "Rough Service" bulbs. For years I thought that
> that was "rough surface" from the bulb's coating. No RFI from them AFAICT.
>
> At home I use a remote-controlled light dimmer for a table lamp. It's
> a double threat - the remote Part 15 and the dimmer electronics. After
> ruining one with an LED I RTFM that said "incandescent only". I then
> found a similar dimmer at a specialty lighting store that was certified
> for LEDs. It was also necessary to get a dimmable LED - not all are. I
> tried it out at the store to make sure that it would work together.
>
> The upshot is that I cannot detect any RFI even though the lamp is in
> the next room. Of course, with the high HF noise level here, it may
> just be masked.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402
>
>> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:29:41 -0800
> From: "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Jerry'" <jerry at molaver.org>, <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> The link below is wrong. It should be:
> http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Service-Support/Pages/Technical/Design-Selection
> Tools/LEDDimmerMatrix.aspx
>
> 73
> Fred, AE6QL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:06 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers
>
>
>
>
> GA Jim,
>
> I am in search of replacing over 100 dimmers in our house due to an
> excavating incident where the neutral was pulled out. I have had direct
> contact with Lutron's tech service where I expressed my concern for both rfi
> caused by the dimmers and interference to the dimmers caused by my station.
>
> Fwiw here is the reply (the images didn't copy but were just sine wave
> representations of operation) - I went with one of their recommendations
>
> 73
>
> Jerry, k1tgx
>
> Good afternoon Jerry,
>
> When dimming you can experience interference with sensitive audio equipment
> depending upon the type of dimmer and type of bulb you are controlling. The
> way a dimmer dims is by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second.
> Based upon the on time of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer
> light. Less on time = dimmer light because the lights are not running as
> long each cycle.
>
> Any forward phase dimming control, could result in a feedback into audio
> equipment due to the way that dimming signal works. The way a dimmer dims is
> by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second. Based upon the on time
> of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer light. Less on time =
> dimmer light because the lights are not running as long each cycle.
>
> During this rapid cycling with a forward phase control, there is a spike
> present before the dimmer turns on each time; we call this repetitive peak
> (see illustration #1). When controlling incandescent or halogen bulbs you
> normally will never experience misbehaviors because these bulbs are
> resistive in nature and act like a filter for the line, suppressing the
> repetitive peak. On the other hand, LEDs are capacitive and can greatly
> increase this repetitive peak, resulting in misbehaviors, buzzing or
> interference. However, since reverse phase or ELV controls dimming signals
> are completely opposite than forward phase signals the buzzing is greatly
> reduced if not completely eliminated (see illustration #2). There are two
> things to be aware of with ELV controls, 1) these types of controls require
> a neutral connection to be present at the location of installation (bundle
> of white wires connected together). 2) These controls are normally 2 to 3
> times to cost of standard incandescent or LED dimmers.
>
> Illustration #1
>
>
>
> Illustration #2
>
>
> You can view our LED selection tool at
> www.lutron.com/ledtool<http://www.lutron.com/ledtool>. This LED selection
> tool will allow you to generate a list of compatible LED products for all of
> our LED rated dimming controls. You will all be able to access a testing
> report for each of the LEDs listed here. The report will provide you with a
> list of all the dimmers we can recommend for that LED, the amount of LEDs
> each dimmer can control and the dimming range you will experience.
>
> If looking for ELV solutions on our LED selection tool, select "reverse
> phase" from the control technology menu. Also, here is a list of ELV
> controls that we can recommend for use with LED products.
>
> * MRF2-6ELV-120
> * RRD-6NA
> * HQRD-6NA
> * PHPM-WBX-DV-WH
> * PHPM-PA-DV-WH
> * LP-RPM-4A-120
> * HW-RPM-4A-120
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions
>
> Sincerely,
> Matt Rehrig
> Lutron Support
> Lutron Electronics, Inc.
> www.lutron.com<http://www.lutron.com>
> MR
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:50:14 -0800
> From: JWAHAR BAMMI <jbammi at mac.com>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] DCHF-200 Directional Coupler Documentation
> Message-ID: <C8D1BB03-1465-4A30-B5DC-88DF274F8E50 at mac.com>
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> I cannot seem to find any documentation on the DCHF-200 Directional Coupler on the elecraft site. Looking for the pinout on the RJ-xx connector, and also looking for the specs on the coupler performance (mainline loss, coupling, return loss etc vs frequency) Any pointers much appreciated.
>
> 73 de kc1ccr
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:22:43 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID:
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> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
>
> 73
> jim ab3cv
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:13:18 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>, Elecraft Reflector
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID: <56A819AE.2040106 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Jim,
>
> I don't know about the RX ant (it may be confined to ANT1/ANT2), but
> give it a try and let us all know the results.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 1/26/2016 7:22 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>>
>> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
>> activation of the RX antenna?
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:18:16 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Save SVGA state via USB
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have entered a number of macros and got them working with the Genovation
> keyboard per Dave, NK7Z's tutorial. I want to move them to my 2nd P3. I've
> used two USB thumb drives. I select the SVGA Usav, press the select know,
> the screen shows saving to USB drive, but no file appears on the drive. I
> also have a USB switch to move the Genovation keyboard to the 2nd P3. That
> appears not to work either. Connecting the Genovation directly to the USB
> port does work. I see in the manual a note that with regard to USB drives,
> "some will not work."
>
>
>
> One peculiar result of unplugging the USB drive is the SVGA display becomes
> upside down. That is, the "grass" comes from the top of the screen down and
> the waterfall is almost solid. Cycling the power fixes that problem.
>
>
>
> Has anyone discovered a particular brand of USB thumb drive that does work?
> Any thoughts on why the USB switch doesn't work?
>
>
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:02:10 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file was saved
> to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my other
> P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't have the
> cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB devices
> before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any event, I am
> a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used with
> the next firmware release.
>
>
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:38:19 +0000 (UTC)
> From: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>, Elecraft Reflector
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID:
> <1858354690.601364.1453862299858.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M. ?That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna? ?You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button. ? That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp; ?select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
> Dick, K8ZTT
>
>
> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
>
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
>
> 73
> jim ab3cv
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:00:46 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
> To: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>, Elecraft Reflector
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID: <4B8C30D0-1FBB-4AE8-9808-A8B459DA7AFE at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern.
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M. That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna? You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button. That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
>
> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp; select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
>
> Dick, K8ZTT
>
>
>
> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
>
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
>
> 73
> jim ab3cv
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:04:36 -0600
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Faint clicking sound in headphones
> Message-ID: <56A833C4.6080605 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> I hear something which is very slight in QSK mode but not in SEMI mode.
> My observation is that it is "very" slight. Headphones with higher
> sensitivity may be more prone to exacerbate the the click. I speculate
> it is the leading edge AGC recovery in between CW elements. Being on a
> dummy load, there would be no AGC transition to noise as would appear
> with noise from the antenna.
>
> If you think it is RF related, turn the PWR down to 1 watt or operate in
> TEST mode. I suspect however it is switching related and not RF related.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>> On 1/25/2016 9:44 AM, Mike Weir wrote:
>> Just today I notice a faint clicking noise when using my headphones and only when the AF is turned up not when all the way down, here is my setup.....Elecraft k3, Begali key into a Winkeyer USB and the menu key weight setting in the K3 is 1.10
>> Here is what I have tried to fix the issue with no success:
>> 1. Tried different headphones.
>> 2. Snap on chokes on headphone cord.
>> 3. Removed Winkeyer and plugged key into rear of K3.
>> 4. Tried a different key plugged it into Winkeyer and just to rear of K3.
>> 5. Tried on Dummy load and clicking is gone.
>> 6. Check all connections to make sure they are tight.
>> 7. Tried my KX3 using same key and antenna and no clicks.
>> 8. The clicking is happening on all bands.
>> I believe that is all I tried and I am at a loss as to what it could be, I'm hopping it's something simple that I have overlooked.
>> Thanks in advance for your help
>> Mike
>> VE3WDM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:16:18 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> It seems that if you toggle a USB device on the P3, it loses its knowledge
> of the USB device and doesn't recognize the device when it is toggled back
> UNLESS the SVGA is in data display mode. IMHO this is a firmware bug.
>
>
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:00:13 -0700
> From: "Erik Basilier" <ebasilier at cox.net>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 roofing filters
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> After reconfiguring my K3 I have the following roofing filters for sale:
>
>
>
> 6 kHz $90 one available
>
> 1.8 kHz $90 two available
>
> 500 Hz $60 one available offset -0.75
>
>
>
> Shipping is additional, and would be by Priority Mail Small Box where
> applicable (typically $6.80 in the U.S. if $50 insurance is considered
> sufficient)
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Erik K7TV
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:37:23 -0800
> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
> Message-ID: <1453876643.3301.8.camel at nk7z.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I too am looking forward to the next release of P3 software, and hoping
> it contains the changes which allow P3 macros to be sent to the P3, via
> the P3 USB port.
> --
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave
>
> For software/hardware reviews see:
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> For MixW support see:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>
> For SSTV help see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
>
>> On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 18:02 -0800, Ken Widelitz wrote:
>> I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file
>> was saved
>> to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my
>> other
>> P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't
>> have the
>> cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB
>> devices
>> before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any
>> event, I am
>> a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used
>> with
>> the next firmware release.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:03:43 +0200
> From: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
> Cc: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>, Elecraft Reflector
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID: <DB518473-B3B2-46CE-A0C3-9A459F3B2F79 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> DIGOUT1 isn't affected by RX ANT, or at least it wasn't when I used it to control an external amp some time ago. But a voltmeter will tell you for sure.
>
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>
>> On 27 Jan 2016, at 5:00 AM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern.
>>
>> Jim ab3cv
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M. That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna? You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button. That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
>>
>> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp; select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
>>
>> Dick, K8ZTT
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
>>
>> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>>
>> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
>> activation of the RX antenna?
>>
>> 73
>> jim ab3cv
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:23:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID:
> <1052025222.915205.1453915411120.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Jim,
> I would think you could create a macro to accomplish this. ?The commands would be SWT25;BN00; ?this would turn on the RX ANT, change the band to 160M. ? You could add additional commands to the string to set more options (like Split up 2 or 5 or whatever floats your boat.
> The one thing to remember is the SWT25 command toggles the RX ANT on or off; unlike some other commands (like BN00), it does not "set" the position (if you to send the SWT25;BN00; Macro a second time, the band (160M) would stay the same, but the RX ANT would now turn off.
> Additionally, when you send a band change command (like BN00, BN01, BN02, etc.), you need a 300 ms delay before sending another command in the string. ?Other than inserting one or two semicolons after the BNxx command, before additional commands, the easiest approach might be to put the BNxx; command last in the string.
> Dick, K8ZTT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 27 Jan 2016, at 5:00 AM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern.
>>
>> Jim ab3cv
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M.? That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna?? You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button.? That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
>>
>> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp;? select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
>>
>> Dick, K8ZTT
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
>>
>> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>>
>> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
>> activation of the RX antenna?
>>
>> 73
>> jim ab3cv
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:28:01 -0700 (MST)
> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <1453915681118-7613182.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I don't understand what you mean by 'toggle a USB device'. The P3/SVGA
> board will enumerate a USB keyboard or thumb drive even if the SVGA en is
> turned off (the display is turned off) OR data display mode is turned off.
> I just checked. You can verify that by opening up the P3 and looking on
> the SVGA card. Whenever a USB device is correctly enumerated, the LED
> toward the connector will light solid.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-USB-Serendipitous-Solution-tp7613177p7613182.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:32:04 -0700 (MST)
> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
> Message-ID: <1453915924725-7613183.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I am not familiar with the USB switch but if it is electronic and not
> mechanical there could be an issue since the SVGA USB port is limited as to
> what it can support. For example it does not support a hub or really
> anything except a USB thumb drive and/or keyboard.
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-Save-Restore-State-via-USB-Working-tp7613173p7613183.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:37:16 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: "'Paul Saffren N6HZ'" <pauls at elecraft.com>,
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>
>
> My experience with the P3 SVGA is that the Genovation USB keypad will not
> work unless data mode is on.
>
>
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:39:39 -0800
> From: "Dave Glenn" <glenn.d at ca.rr.com>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Using the internal K144xv to feed other
> transverters.
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have the internal 2 meter transverter. I would like to use it to feed my
> other transverters for 2, 3, 5 and 10ghz.
>
> However, when setting it up in the K3 I don't see that I can drive a
> transverter from a transverter.
>
> Has anyone tried this before? The XV RF setting only goes up to 50mhz and I
> don't see how I could feed one from another.
>
>
>
> Dave N6TEB
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:40:16 -0500
> From: Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Filters
> Message-ID:
> <CAEk6-=uaajffFPXQ-gQtSjYSd_f414C+-m+NJDJ3XNgna6_XHg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> K3 filters for sale:
>
> KFLA3A-6K $105 shipped.
>
> KBPF3A General coverage $140 shipped.
>
> Shipped to CONUS only, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
> cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Joe N9VX
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:05:52 -0800
> From: Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: Ken Widelitz <widelitz at gte.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <56A90700.7010502 at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Yes, the USB keyboard is not active when not in data display mode. I
> realize that folks are using the Genovation keypad as means of
> executing macros to control the K3 (and soon the P3), however the USB
> keyboard port was designed for data.
>
> -Paul
>
> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
> Project Manager
> Elecraft Inc.
> www.elecraft.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:51:20 +0400
> From: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
> Message-ID: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51 at sy-edm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Fellow Hams,
> I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been marvelling at it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator - and them I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying the awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
>
> I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) - on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully understand and accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.
>
> It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW ? How about Data Modes ??
>
> I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found flexible and worthwhile.
>
>
> OS for PC:
> Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>
> Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tim - A45WG
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:39:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: David Kuechenmeister <n4kd at bellsouth.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Input Pin?
> Message-ID:
> <237536816.1071367.1453923575164.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I was looking for a way to automatically reduce power when operating on batteries. It seems like another transceiver I once owned had a pin that, when grounded would reduce output power to conserve batteries.
> I don't see any handy way to do this with the K3, other than crank down the power...
> It looks like all the ACC pins are defined, so except for making one of them a programmable I/O pin, I think I'm out of luck. Is there anyone else interested in a programmable input pin that could be tied to a macro command?
> vy 73,Dave N4KD
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:50:56 -0800
> From: Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com>
> To: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
> Message-ID:
> <CANVONAJMosGu5wDRfpQe_0hhkqg_dAz-j8Usiok1PG6ii14xTg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> You need to consider several separate aspects of radio automation. Assuming
> you are operating with one radio, consider these:
>
> - Operating System: There are logging programs for Linux and MacOS but
> your choices are much more limited than with Windows. When I switched from
> Windows to MacOS, I tried Snookum Logger but found it primitive compared to
> Windows offerings. There are other possibilities that I know nothing about.
> At this point I run a virtual Windows machine on my Macbook Pro under
> VMware Fusion. It's complicated but it works.
> - Rig Control: Connect either an RS232 cable or USB cable from your
> computer to the K3s. Tell your logging program the COM port number (or
> identify the USB connection to MacOS) and characteristics (typically
> 38400-N-8-1) and then the logger will track the radio's frequency and mode.
> You can also type in a frequency and most loggers will send the rig there.
> Not all of them, though.
> - CW Keying: Although you can key the K3s through the same serial port
> that you use for rig control, I advise against it because unrelated load on
> your computer can sometimes result in "stuttering" - poor keying. Instead,
> I like to use an external keyer and the WinKeyer USB is a very good choice.
> It connects to your computer via a USB cable, to your paddle and to the the
> K3s Key In connector. It forms dots and dashes outside the computer and
> works very well for both computer and manual sending. Some people prefer to
> connect the paddle to the K3 PADDLE input to provide separate speed control
> for manual and computer sending. (I use two paddles, one through the
> external keyer and one direct to the K3.)
> - Voice Messages: If you operate phone, you may want to automate contest
> messages, especially CQ, Exchange and Thanks. If you have the K3s internal
> voice keyer, you can use that, provided your logging program supports it.
> If not, you can let your logger generate voice messages and transfer them
> to the K3 via a sound card. It is best to use an external sound card rather
> than the one inside the computer in order to avoid computer sound effects
> getting transmitted. The Griffen iMic card is simple and inexpensive. (The
> Asus Xonar family are more sophisticated and probably "better." I don't
> have mine working yet.) There are dozens of alternatives. You can plug into
> K3 Line In and leave your live microphone connected to front or rear MIC In
> connectors.
> - Data Modes: The quickest way to get here is to connect a pair of 3.5mm
> phone cables between an external sound card and the K3 Line In and Line Out
> connectors. Run AFSK or PSK with appropriate software. Many prefer FSK
> which requires a cable from a serial port (or carefully chosen
> USB-to-Serial adapter) to the FSK line on the K3 ACC connector. You can
> also use a Signalink or other multi-function interface box, but it's not
> required and won't be any simpler. It might save some cable swapping when
> changing between voice and data modes, depending on the box and how you set
> things up.
>
> There are lots of "moving parts" and patience is a virtue. Consider the
> project of getting it all working to be part of your pursuit of ham radio.
> Take it one piece at a time and enjoy each individual success.
>
> If you operate two radios (SO2R), it's more complicated. ;-)
>
> GL & 73,
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:51 AM, a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Hams,
>> I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been
>> marvelling at it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator -
>> and them I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying
>> the awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
>>
>> I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here)
>> - on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some
>> steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can
>> automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully understand and
>> accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.
>>
>> It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for
>> CW ? How about Data Modes ??
>>
>> I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things
>> simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found
>> flexible and worthwhile.
>>
>>
>> OS for PC:
>> Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>>
>> Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim - A45WG
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee, CA
>
>
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