From w7aqk at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 09:04:15 2016
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 07:04:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 30% discount on KE7X books at Lulu 12/31 only
Message-ID: <99F011ECD034440283184C9369FB32B4@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

It took a little doing, but I got the discount.  First, I didn't see it on 
the website.  I guess it was a big secret!  Fred had omitted posting the 
discount code at first, but I found it in a subsequent post--thank 
goodness!!!!  Then  I tried entering it on my order, but it didn't seem to 
work!  Finally I figured out that "NEWYEAR30" had to be in all caps!!!! 
Personally, I think making things like this case sensitive is totally 
unnecessary!  Then, if you don't want to waste a few extra bucks (unless you 
are in a big hurry), you needed to change the automatic mailing method 
before hitting the "purchase" button!  It saves another $5.  If I get it in 
a week or so that is soon enough.

Fred's manuals are a big help, so I recommend them.  I ordered the print 
version, but I may wish I had opted for the PDF version.  Having them on 
your computer, or a thumb drive, can be pretty convenient.

Happy New Year all!

Dave W7AQK


From n6cl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  1 09:08:23 2016
From: n6cl at sbcglobal.net (Joe Lynch)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:08:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] 30% discount on KE7X books at Lulu 12/31 only
In-Reply-To: <99F011ECD034440283184C9369FB32B4@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <99F011ECD034440283184C9369FB32B4@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <1203076776.4590934.1451657303196.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I opted for the pdf versions. No discount but much more convenient. Thanks Fred.
Joe Lynch, N6CL 

    On Friday, January 1, 2016 9:06 AM, w7aqk <w7aqk at cox.net> wrote:
 

 It took a little doing, but I got the discount.? First, I didn't see it on 
the website.? I guess it was a big secret!? Fred had omitted posting the 
discount code at first, but I found it in a subsequent post--thank 
goodness!!!!? Then? I tried entering it on my order, but it didn't seem to 
work!? Finally I figured out that "NEWYEAR30" had to be in all caps!!!! 
Personally, I think making things like this case sensitive is totally 
unnecessary!? Then, if you don't want to waste a few extra bucks (unless you 
are in a big hurry), you needed to change the automatic mailing method 
before hitting the "purchase" button!? It saves another $5.? If I get it in 
a week or so that is soon enough.

Fred's manuals are a big help, so I recommend them.? I ordered the print 
version, but I may wish I had opted for the PDF version.? Having them on 
your computer, or a thumb drive, can be pretty convenient.

Happy New Year all!

Dave W7AQK

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From dhhdeh at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 10:33:05 2016
From: dhhdeh at comcast.net (David and Dianne on Comcast)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 10:33:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3 Encoders-All New
Message-ID: <56869C31.5040200@comcast.net>

Happy New Year Elecrafters,

This past October almost eight great years with my 
K3, I decided to part ways with it. I also decided 
not to buy a K3s.

Prior to this decision I had acquired some new K3 
parts intending to replace the originals.

So my K3 is gone and these parts are now extra to 
my needs. Here's what I am offering for sale:

-2 main and sub VFO encoders - Elecraft part # 
E850239 - original price of $25 each
-4 push button encoders located to the left of the 
Main VFO knob (newer design with less wobble) - 
Elecraft part # E640018 - original price of $3 each
-1 RIT/XIT encoder - Elecraft part # E640021 - 
original price of $10
-5 felt washers for controlling drag on main VFO 
knob - Elecraft part # E7000033 - original price 
of $7.50

The total new cost to me was approx. $80.

I'm selling the lot for $59 shipped via USPS 
priority mail.

I will not break up this set of parts for 
individual sale.

Please contact me off list at N1LQ at arrl.net with 
your interest or questions.

Bst 73 de N1LQ-Dave




From raysills3 at verizon.net  Fri Jan  1 11:28:34 2016
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:28:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Audio Spec
In-Reply-To: <5685E066.4070308@aol.com>
References: <7F199BDA01F3454FAF5FAEE93DD4D1C8@ejhPC> <5675AB06.5000903@necg.de>
	<B7A89321-0E16-49F7-8BBF-43C99DE1F132@elecraft.com>
	<00ed01d13aa8$5d1f1590$175d40b0$@erols.com> <5675D960.8030704@necg.de>
	<5675E227.6060001@horizon.co.fk> <5675F6FD.6010407@gmail.com>
	<1451509529893-7612028.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56844DB7.2000009@subich.com>
	<1451588737200-7612091.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451589343843-7612094.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CALHj_b9_YxMR5WVoMys0aVU9RAfpDy_EWX8F9FEvE37iv-tydw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5685B5D3.9050106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5685BBEF.7080403@blomand.net>
	<5685C924.4020504@embarqmail.com> <5685CBD6.7070906@blomand.net>
	<5685E066.4070308@aol.com>
Message-ID: <88634128-863E-4ACC-B210-3A3FDDBBECB9@verizon.net>

I?m not so sure about that.  The various devices are only connected to one other object.  Think of this picture:

A is connect to B, and B is connected to C.  So, you want to bond A to B.. and don?t care about the connection to C, since it needs only be connected to B and not C.  And the same for B to C.   The ?star? approach means that the connection from A goes to a common point, and then from the common point to B, creating two additional connection points, for a total of 4, whereas, the A to B connection is just 2 points.

The ?star? is fine for safety, but does nothing to assist with the common mode between devices A and B or B and C.  And, we are talking about audio, not safety commons.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



> On Dec 31, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I've always believed in the star approach and completely agree with the series circuit issue.
> 
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
> 


From n7rjn at nobis.net  Fri Jan  1 11:39:13 2016
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 09:39:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  KIO3B Install
In-Reply-To: <5685E6F1.4040003@embarqmail.com>
References: <7F199BDA01F3454FAF5FAEE93DD4D1C8@ejhPC> <5675AB06.5000903@necg.de>
	<B7A89321-0E16-49F7-8BBF-43C99DE1F132@elecraft.com>
	<00ed01d13aa8$5d1f1590$175d40b0$@erols.com>
	<5675D960.8030704@necg.de> <5675E227.6060001@horizon.co.fk>
	<5675F6FD.6010407@gmail.com>
	<1451509529893-7612028.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56844DB7.2000009@subich.com>
	<1451588737200-7612091.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451589343843-7612094.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CALHj_b9_YxMR5WVoMys0aVU9RAfpDy_EWX8F9FEvE37iv-tydw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5685B5D3.9050106@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5685BBEF.7080403@blomand.net> <5685C924.4020504@embarqmail.com>
	<5685CBD6.7070906@blomand.net> <5685E6F1.4040003@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD15E431-E862-44B0-8CC0-D02BBB07674C@nobis.net>

I received the KIO3B upgrade kit for my K3 yesterday. Installation and setup was straightforward.

This was nearly a ?plug-and-play? setup. I was up and running WSJT-X (v1.6) on OS-X (Mac) after minor adjustments to the audio levels, and had my first JT65 QSO within 35 minutes of starting the installation.

Decode performance appears to be just as good, if not better than my external TASCAM US-366.  I will have to run this for a few days to see how well it decodes low level signals (-23 to -25dB) on JT65.

Also the sure helped to reduce my rat?s nest of cables.

Happy New Year.

73,

Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net



From NZ3O at arrl.net  Fri Jan  1 12:14:26 2016
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 12:14:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Ham Radio - SO2R Options?
Message-ID: <5686B3F2.3010201@arrl.net>

I am interested in putting together the most effective equivalent of 
Single-Operator Two-Radio with my regular Elecraft K3S operating 10-40 
meters and a second "radio" operating Remote Ham Radio for 80/160.  I 
was wondering if anyoone on this list has accomplished this already and 
have specific experience to share.

I assume this would require either a software-only computer-based RHR, 
or something like an Elecraft K3/0, plus the SO2R "splitter" to get 
in-front of the radios.  But, it seems to get complicated pretty quickly.

Thoughts from those experienced with this?

73, Byron


From w4das at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 13:21:50 2016
From: w4das at comcast.net (Doug Shields)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 13:21:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Options for K3 wanted
Message-ID: <017c01d144c1$48e02100$daa06300$@comcast.net>

Hello,

    I recently was able to pick up a K3 to replace one sold several years
ago.  I regretted selling my original K3 for a long time.  My present K3 has
the 100 watt amp, auto antenna tuner, and the KXV3A.  I would like to add
some options to the radio.  If you have a K3 option that is not being used,
let me know what you have and your price.  I will consider almost any
options that are working and reasonably priced.  Thanks and hope everyone is
having a Happy New Year.

 

Doug  W4DAS


From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  1 13:31:54 2016
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 10:31:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  Remote Ham Radio - SO2R Options?
References: <5686B3F2.3010201@arrl.net> 
Message-ID: <008001d144c2$b0d49100$127db300$@elecraft.com>


If you intend this for use in contests, At least several contest rules
require that all antennas and radios be within a limited distance of one
another (often a 500 meter circle). 

See http://cqww.com/rules.htm,

VIII. DEFINITIONS OF TERMS, 1.  Station Location.

And http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-all-arrl-contests

General rule 3.7, all transmitters and receivers must be within a 500-meter
diameter circle

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Byron
Peebles
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 09:14
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Ham Radio - SO2R Options?

I am interested in putting together the most effective equivalent of
Single-Operator Two-Radio with my regular Elecraft K3S operating 10-40
meters and a second "radio" operating Remote Ham Radio for 80/160.  I was
wondering if anyoone on this list has accomplished this already and have
specific experience to share.

I assume this would require either a software-only computer-based RHR, or
something like an Elecraft K3/0, plus the SO2R "splitter" to get in-front of
the radios.  But, it seems to get complicated pretty quickly.

Thoughts from those experienced with this?

73, Byron

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From brians at fl240.com  Fri Jan  1 16:09:04 2016
From: brians at fl240.com (Brian Sheets)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 21:09:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: k3/0 or k3 mini
Message-ID: <F535C4CB-85E1-4059-8485-7DC025D6457A@fl240.com>

Does anyone have one they want to part with?

Brian
KA7KDX


From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 16:11:46 2016
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 21:11:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] 30% discount on KE7X books at Lulu 12/31 only
In-Reply-To: <1203076776.4590934.1451657303196.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <99F011ECD034440283184C9369FB32B4@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<1203076776.4590934.1451657303196.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F0E8602DF208AAEE.E362B030-D7C2-462D-AEE7-884409D4A94D@mail.outlook.com>

Yesterday there was a 5% discount on e-books at Lulu with discount coupon EBOOK5. Not sure when it expires.
73, Matt VK2RQ

Envoy? via Outlook Mobile




On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 6:09 AM -0800, "Joe Lynch" <n6cl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:










I opted for the pdf versions. No discount but much more convenient. Thanks Fred.
Joe Lynch, N6CL 

    On Friday, January 1, 2016 9:06 AM, w7aqk  wrote:
 

 It took a little doing, but I got the discount.? First, I didn't see it on 
the website.? I guess it was a big secret!? Fred had omitted posting the 
discount code at first, but I found it in a subsequent post--thank 
goodness!!!!? Then? I tried entering it on my order, but it didn't seem to 
work!? Finally I figured out that "NEWYEAR30" had to be in all caps!!!! 
Personally, I think making things like this case sensitive is totally 
unnecessary!? Then, if you don't want to waste a few extra bucks (unless you 
are in a big hurry), you needed to change the automatic mailing method 
before hitting the "purchase" button!? It saves another $5.? If I get it in 
a week or so that is soon enough.

Fred's manuals are a big help, so I recommend them.? I ordered the print 
version, but I may wish I had opted for the PDF version.? Having them on 
your computer, or a thumb drive, can be pretty convenient.

Happy New Year all!

Dave W7AQK

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From dan at ae9k.com  Fri Jan  1 16:45:51 2016
From: dan at ae9k.com (Dan AE9K)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:45:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Audio Spec
In-Reply-To: <1451589343843-7612094.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <5675AB06.5000903@necg.de>
	<B7A89321-0E16-49F7-8BBF-43C99DE1F132@elecraft.com>
	<00ed01d13aa8$5d1f1590$175d40b0$@erols.com>
	<5675D960.8030704@necg.de> <5675E227.6060001@horizon.co.fk>
	<5675F6FD.6010407@gmail.com>
	<1451509529893-7612028.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56844DB7.2000009@subich.com>
	<1451588737200-7612091.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451589343843-7612094.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1451684751301-7612159.post@n2.nabble.com>

After staring at Knut's KIO3B spectrum with an XG3 signal source, I am
wondering how much of that spectrum can be attributed to the KIO3B and how
much is due to the K3S RF chain and XG3 phase noise and harmonics.

I tried a different approach with my K3 and DigiKeyer keeping everything at
AF and avoiding the RF and XG3 related variables - I think.

I sent the K3 a 1 kHz test tone to LINE IN while the K3 was keyed in TX TEST
mode.  At the same time an instance of Spectrum Lab analyzed the return
audio (i.e. the monitor audio returned over LINE OUT).

The resulting spectrum lacks the significant harmonics Knut observed
although I show some AC spectra (fundamental + 3rd, 5th and 7th harmonics)
which might be attributable to my DigiKeyer sitting directly above the
KPA500's transformer.

<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7612159/1_kHz_test_tone.png> 

Is analaysis of recovered transmit audio while in TX TEST a viable way to
eliminate the RF and XG3 related variables or have I missed something?  If
it is viable, I would be interested in the same being done with a KIO3B for
comparison purposes.

73,

Dan
AE9K 



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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Fri Jan  1 17:57:30 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 15:57:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Audio Spec
In-Reply-To: <1451684751301-7612159.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <B7A89321-0E16-49F7-8BBF-43C99DE1F132@elecraft.com>
	<00ed01d13aa8$5d1f1590$175d40b0$@erols.com>
	<5675D960.8030704@necg.de> <5675E227.6060001@horizon.co.fk>
	<5675F6FD.6010407@gmail.com>
	<1451509529893-7612028.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56844DB7.2000009@subich.com>
	<1451588737200-7612091.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451589343843-7612094.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451684751301-7612159.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1451689050019-7612160.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

There is little doubt that most of the noise/blips in that spectrogram is
not related to the KIO3B, but rather the K3 RF chain and possibly the KX3
phase noise. I was just trying to show that the audio produced by the USB
codec is darned good from an HF radio (and in  my case demonstrably better
than what I got from the line out on my old K3). I have never tried to see
what the port can do with the transmit audio.

AB2TC - Knut


Dan AE9K wrote
> After staring at Knut's KIO3B spectrum with an XG3 signal source, I am
> wondering how much of that spectrum can be attributed to the KIO3B and how
> much is due to the K3S RF chain and XG3 phase noise and harmonics.
> 
> I tried a different approach with my K3 and DigiKeyer keeping everything
> at AF and avoiding the RF and XG3 related variables - I think.
> 
> I sent the K3 a 1 kHz test tone to LINE IN while the K3 was keyed in TX
> TEST mode.  At the same time an instance of Spectrum Lab analyzed the
> return audio (i.e. the monitor audio returned over LINE OUT).
> 
> The resulting spectrum lacks the significant harmonics Knut observed
> although I show some AC spectra (fundamental + 3rd, 5th and 7th harmonics)
> which might be attributable to my DigiKeyer sitting directly above the
> KPA500's transformer.
<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7612159/1_kHz_test_tone.png> 
> 
> Is analaysis of recovered transmit audio while in TX TEST a viable way to
> eliminate the RF and XG3 related variables or have I missed something?  If
> it is viable, I would be interested in the same being done with a KIO3B
> for comparison purposes.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dan
> AE9K





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From NZ3O at arrl.net  Fri Jan  1 18:46:58 2016
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 18:46:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
Message-ID: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>

The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues 
are probably related to that.


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Fri Jan  1 19:02:16 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:02:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

Are you suggesting that this may be the reason why a number of us
(apparently all with Verizon FIOS) cannot reach the web site?

AB2TC - Knut

Byron Peebles wrote
> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues 
> are probably related to that.
> 
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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 19:07:18 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 00:07:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
	<1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b8HDZO=TFeUciP+wFZdgjfb+QL=VVW5aDQuE1PWm747SQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't understand why folks would be using https unless they're
browser/proxy is forcing it somehow.  A secure connection is not
needed.  And the shopping is handled by cartserver.com

But yes, if for some reason they are trying to access elecraft.com via
https, they would have a problem because of that SSL cert.

Barry N1EU

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:02 AM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Are you suggesting that this may be the reason why a number of us
> (apparently all with Verizon FIOS) cannot reach the web site?
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
> Byron Peebles wrote
>> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues
>> are probably related to that.
>>
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From raysills3 at verizon.net  Fri Jan  1 19:10:52 2016
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 19:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
	<1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8681E979-3BB8-4E19-A8D2-1C012A1EE278@verizon.net>

That might account for things.  The site is still unreachable here in EPA.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

> On Jan 1, 2016, at 7:02 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Are you suggesting that this may be the reason why a number of us
> (apparently all with Verizon FIOS) cannot reach the web site?
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> Byron Peebles wrote
>> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues 
>> are probably related to that.
>> 


From dan at ae9k.com  Fri Jan  1 19:45:00 2016
From: dan at ae9k.com (Dan AE9K)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:45:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Audio Spec
In-Reply-To: <1451689050019-7612160.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <00ed01d13aa8$5d1f1590$175d40b0$@erols.com>
	<5675D960.8030704@necg.de> <5675E227.6060001@horizon.co.fk>
	<5675F6FD.6010407@gmail.com>
	<1451509529893-7612028.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56844DB7.2000009@subich.com>
	<1451588737200-7612091.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451589343843-7612094.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451684751301-7612159.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451689050019-7612160.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1451695500109-7612165.post@n2.nabble.com>

Sorry, I didn't word my reply correctly.  I didn't mean to suggest the KIO3B
was responsible for the spikes of spectra.  I realize those are the XG3
fundamental and harmonics. The XG3 phase noise just makes it impossible to
see the audio noise floor of the KIO3B.  My intention was just to advance
your "darned good" comment to something measurable for comparison purposes. 
But, for all I know my pursuit of measuring USB audio spectrum quality may
be moot if we're always RF noise-limited. 

Stepping back a bit, my original intent was to determine whether the KIO3B
was a suitable drop-in replacement for my DigiKeyer (to eliminate a box and
associated connections to the K3).  Part of that is audio-related the other
part is interfacing-related (KEY, PTT, etc.).  Someone pointed out off-forum
that there is no FSK interface with the KIO3B so that is one disparity with
the interfacing aspect.

As for the audio aspect, I'm sure Joe's right in that they're essentially
the same unless there was an implementation short-cut taken with the KIO3B -
which isn't likely.  That said, I am still curious if the proposed test
setup of passing audio in and analyzing the monitor audio is a valid means
of measuring the performance of the USB audio path - whether with the KIO3B
or other USB audio interface.  Can I, for example, conclude from my test
that my DigiKeyer/K3 path has a -110 dB noise floor?

73,

Dan
AE9K



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From rick at tavan.com  Fri Jan  1 21:11:18 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 18:11:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Ham Radio - SO2R Options?
In-Reply-To: <5686B3F2.3010201@arrl.net>
References: <5686B3F2.3010201@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CANVONAJWyAw5_aaMeHbTFXQEBVbFYkPmu3mdY9K2dOr8eMXo0Q@mail.gmail.com>

The only "contest" I know of that allows this is pseudo-contest CWT on
Wednesdays. I'm set up to do it with a local KX3 and a remote K3-K3 hookup
via Microbit RemoteRig controllers and a local YCCC SO2R box. I've tested
it in non-contest environments and it works even better than real SO2R in
one respect - there's absolutely no inter-station interference. I intend to
try it out in a CWT Real Soon Now. But in a real contest, alas, it's
against the rules.

I wish CQ hadn't dropped their experimental category - I think it was in
CQWW - that allowed anything legal under the laws of the land(s).

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Byron Peebles <NZ3O at arrl.net> wrote:

> I am interested in putting together the most effective equivalent of
> Single-Operator Two-Radio with my regular Elecraft K3S operating 10-40
> meters and a second "radio" operating Remote Ham Radio for 80/160.  I was
> wondering if anyoone on this list has accomplished this already and have
> specific experience to share.
>
> I assume this would require either a software-only computer-based RHR, or
> something like an Elecraft K3/0, plus the SO2R "splitter" to get in-front
> of the radios.  But, it seems to get complicated pretty quickly.
>
> Thoughts from those experienced with this?
>
> 73, Byron
>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jan  1 21:22:21 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 21:22:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Software
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5g1q5JCVWeScYNg5KmHqOSha3ekLv5QeXQcjiAJf5oxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

I have server W2's and I use them all at my remote base.  The interface
works wonderfully, but for me it takes up too much screen real estate.

Has anyone either written a smaller one or knows of one that would be about
the quarter of the size?

I know I should program one myself, but programming isn't one of my best
skills.  :)

73 all and HNY

Mike va3mw

From WB4SON at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 22:18:29 2016
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 22:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <8681E979-3BB8-4E19-A8D2-1C012A1EE278@verizon.net>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
	<1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8681E979-3BB8-4E19-A8D2-1C012A1EE278@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ_mUC+1XqkGOiZq-7MbMp8bVBjPHuxuwcWr8pVDiU-4cg@mail.gmail.com>

Non https connections are being dropped in the near future on many devices,
there will be no other way to connect.  Unfortunately for some small
websites, that will be a huge pain as the security certificate is a small
fortune annually ($150).

I'm sure elecraft will renew their certificate once someone points out it
has expired.

73, Bob, WB4SON

PS:  I had lost connectivity to elecraft.com on BOTH AT&T and FIOS, but it
did come back late this afternoon.





On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Ray Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:

> That might account for things.  The site is still unreachable here in EPA.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
> > On Jan 1, 2016, at 7:02 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Are you suggesting that this may be the reason why a number of us
> > (apparently all with Verizon FIOS) cannot reach the web site?
> >
> > AB2TC - Knut
> >
> > Byron Peebles wrote
> >> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues
> >> are probably related to that.
> >>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 22:24:03 2016
From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 19:24:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] why is my P3 VFO B cursor stuck?
Message-ID: <CAH0gZcYAP7LWs-6-WWWwQvbTvL_cbBX0iwHbkWk7WJpETn2ovw@mail.gmail.com>

This is a K3S, with sub RX, and a P3. The VFO B cursor is stuck at 14046.80.

Everything else is working. VFO A cursor behaves as it should so the P3 and
K3S must be talking. I can tune signals on the sub RX just fine, but the P3
VFO B cursor does not track with the tuning.

The contest logger I am running (writelog) is correctly reading the sub RX
frequency from the K3S.

Am I missing something? Thanks & 73 jeff wk6i

-- 
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Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/
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From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 22:38:49 2016
From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 19:38:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] why is my P3 VFO B cursor stuck?
In-Reply-To: <CAH0gZcYAP7LWs-6-WWWwQvbTvL_cbBX0iwHbkWk7WJpETn2ovw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH0gZcYAP7LWs-6-WWWwQvbTvL_cbBX0iwHbkWk7WJpETn2ovw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0gZcafnKBCnrc8G0XVx-HW9iuO3GbLx0wuvvUu-51+NPwpWQ@mail.gmail.com>

So why not try one more power cycle of the K3S/P3? Now the cursor is moving
as it should.

This has been quite a day of "ghosts in the machine". Sayonara & 73 jeff
wk6i

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a K3S, with sub RX, and a P3. The VFO B cursor is stuck at
> 14046.80.
>
> Everything else is working. VFO A cursor behaves as it should so the P3
> and K3S must be talking. I can tune signals on the sub RX just fine, but
> the P3 VFO B cursor does not track with the tuning.
>
> The contest logger I am running (writelog) is correctly reading the sub RX
> frequency from the K3S.
>
> Am I missing something? Thanks & 73 jeff wk6i
>
> --
> Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com
> Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/
> Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak
>



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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat Jan  2 00:30:01 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 05:30:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] QLF?
Message-ID: <8020ED1E-99CC-4032-B9A1-D33B3794197A@law.du.edu>

I just learned there will be a QLF contest at Frostfest in Richmond in February.  (Our son and his family live there, so the trip wouldn?t be entirely fanciful.)  If I enter the contest I?ll want to train for it seriously.  Having never done QLF before, I am open to advice.  First, the equipment ? do the contestants each bring their own ?key? or is there some contraption everyone has to use, to equalize the challenge?  How about a KXPD3, for the low power single toe division?  What?s the duration of the transmission?  What characteristics will the judges be most attentive to ? would a snazzy sock design give an unfair advantage?

And yes, Elecraft reportedly will have a table there too.

Ted, KN1CBR

From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jan  2 00:30:18 2016
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 21:30:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ_mUC+1XqkGOiZq-7MbMp8bVBjPHuxuwcWr8pVDiU-4cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
	<1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8681E979-3BB8-4E19-A8D2-1C012A1EE278@verizon.net>
	<CAPonRZ_mUC+1XqkGOiZq-7MbMp8bVBjPHuxuwcWr8pVDiU-4cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5687606A.9010008@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Security certificates should cost $150 or more because they should be 
identity documents, properly vetted by a trusted third party.

There are at least two CAs that will issue domain-vetted certificates 
for free, and at least two under $20.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/1/2016 7:18 PM, Bob wrote:
> Non https connections are being dropped in the near future on many devices,
> there will be no other way to connect.  Unfortunately for some small
> websites, that will be a huge pain as the security certificate is a small
> fortune annually ($150).
>


From n0jrn at att.net  Sat Jan  2 00:56:03 2016
From: n0jrn at att.net (Jerry Ford)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 05:56:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 IN EC2 ENCLOSURE
References: <782119587.4642096.1451714163964.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <782119587.4642096.1451714163964.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

 Good evening all:
I'm looking for some advise.?? My KAT100 / KPA100? are in an EC2 enclosure next to my K2.
I was changing bands this evening and neglected to changeantenna's when moving from 80 to 40 meters.
I hit the?? " TUNE "?? on the K2? and my KAT100? triedto tune.? It ran through the scale a couple of times beforeI could shut it off.
Now when I hit the "TUNE"? button,? the radio goes intotransmit,? but the tuner isn't tuning anything.?? Normal operation the tuner would tune and go back to receive.
It doesn't change back to receive unless I hit the tunebutton again.? SO,?? the tuner quit.
I remember reading about a transistor that fails and causes this issue but I don't remember which one it is.
SO,?? looking for some information.?? 
Any idea's what I'm looking for ???
Thanks:????? 73??????????? Jerry???????????? N0JRN

From ha4zd at t-online.hu  Sat Jan  2 03:36:52 2016
From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?UTF-8?B?U3phYsOzIElzdHbDoW4=?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:36:52 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ_mUC+1XqkGOiZq-7MbMp8bVBjPHuxuwcWr8pVDiU-4cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
	<1451692936231-7612162.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8681E979-3BB8-4E19-A8D2-1C012A1EE278@verizon.net>
	<CAPonRZ_mUC+1XqkGOiZq-7MbMp8bVBjPHuxuwcWr8pVDiU-4cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56878C24.2080705@t-online.hu>

Interesting, never experienced any Elecraft line fallout. Neither 
recently, nor earlier.

73, Istv?n, HA4ZD

On 1/2/2016 4:18 AM, Bob wrote:
> Non https connections are being dropped in the near future on many devices,
> there will be no other way to connect.  Unfortunately for some small
> websites, that will be a huge pain as the security certificate is a small
> fortune annually ($150).
>
> I'm sure elecraft will renew their certificate once someone points out it
> has expired.
>
> 73, Bob, WB4SON
>
> PS:  I had lost connectivity to elecraft.com on BOTH AT&T and FIOS, but it
> did come back late this afternoon.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Ray Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> That might account for things.  The site is still unreachable here in EPA.
>>
>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211
>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 7:02 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting that this may be the reason why a number of us
>>> (apparently all with Verizon FIOS) cannot reach the web site?
>>>
>>> AB2TC - Knut
>>>
>>> Byron Peebles wrote
>>>> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues
>>>> are probably related to that.
>>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
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From droese at necg.de  Sat Jan  2 05:46:27 2016
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:46:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <5687AA83.6010003@necg.de>

http://www.elecraft.com is not using any certificates (just checked), 
it's just plain http, not https (thus no need for certificates). It only 
switches to https when you are going to pay an order like in "Check Out 
Now". And even then it's not Elecraft anymore but cartserver.com which 
is providing the service and has a valid certificate.

Otherwise I'd appreciate if you'd discuss issues with your internet 
provider in the appropriate forums. Everybody worldwide can access the 
Elecraft website fine just not a handful of Verizon FIOS customers. Now 
go figure where the fault is ...

Thanks,
Olli

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 02.01.2016 um 00:46 schrieb Byron Peebles:
> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues 
> are probably related to that.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 06:04:52 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:04:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <5687AA83.6010003@necg.de>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net>
	<5687AA83.6010003@necg.de>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b90GvuX3F4uKq=U9FBpZY1MZYo+csQ5BgvKk=g29uz+SQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it is not an issue of an expired certificate.  There IS no Elecraft
certificate, and when you try to force https, Elecraft's ISP host cruzio.com
provides a self-signed certificate on Elecraft's behalf and that is
generally interpreted as suspicious activity.  The "issued to" domain is
the ISP and should be elecraft.com and the "issued by" agency is the ISP
and needs to be a trusted issuing agency.

*This server could not prove that it is elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>;
its security certificate is from host6.cruzio.com
<http://host6.cruzio.com>. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an
attacker intercepting your connection.*

Barry N1EU


On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Oliver Dr?se <droese at necg.de> wrote:

> http://www.elecraft.com is not using any certificates (just checked),
> it's just plain http, not https (thus no need for certificates). It only
> switches to https when you are going to pay an order like in "Check Out
> Now". And even then it's not Elecraft anymore but cartserver.com which is
> providing the service and has a valid certificate.
>
> Otherwise I'd appreciate if you'd discuss issues with your internet
> provider in the appropriate forums. Everybody worldwide can access the
> Elecraft website fine just not a handful of Verizon FIOS customers. Now go
> figure where the fault is ...
>
> Thanks,
> Olli
>
> Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
>
>
> Am 02.01.2016 um 00:46 schrieb Byron Peebles:
>
>> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues are
>> probably related to that.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to droese at necg.de
>>
>>
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From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com  Sat Jan  2 07:05:53 2016
From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (Jim Rodenkirch)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 05:05:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] 30% discount on KE7X books at Lulu 12/31 only
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0201MB08093114BA113CA066C9A4BFAFFE0@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY1PR0201MB08093114BA113CA066C9A4BFAFFE0@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1451736353174-7612177.post@n2.nabble.com>

If you offered a hard copy version for the KX3, Fred, at 30% off this 'ol war
horse wud be interested....hihi 

71.5/72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 08:05:26 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 08:05:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 IN EC2 ENCLOSURE
In-Reply-To: <782119587.4642096.1451714163964.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <782119587.4642096.1451714163964.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<782119587.4642096.1451714163964.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5687CB16.7070008@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

There is no one transistor that will cause that behavior.

First put an in-line wattmeter and a dummy load on the KAT100 ANT1 
connector, set the power to 50 watts and then enter TUNE.
1) does the tuner tune so no LEDs are lit on the KAT100?  If no, how 
many are lit?
2) what is the power indicated on the wattmeter (it should be about 20 
watts)?

You may have "popped" one or more of the diodes in either the KPA100 or 
the KAT100 wattmeter, but the answers to the above questions will 
indicate where to look next.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 12:56 AM, Jerry Ford wrote:
>   Good evening all:
> I'm looking for some advise.   My KAT100 / KPA100  are in an EC2 enclosure next to my K2.
> I was changing bands this evening and neglected to changeantenna's when moving from 80 to 40 meters.
> I hit the   " TUNE "   on the K2  and my KAT100  triedto tune.  It ran through the scale a couple of times beforeI could shut it off.
> Now when I hit the "TUNE"  button,  the radio goes intotransmit,  but the tuner isn't tuning anything.   Normal operation the tuner would tune and go back to receive.
> It doesn't change back to receive unless I hit the tunebutton again.  SO,   the tuner quit.
> I remember reading about a transistor that fails and causes this issue but I don't remember which one it is.
> SO,   looking for some information.
>


From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Jan  2 10:28:30 2016
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 10:28:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SKN.
In-Reply-To: <59B92B40-7F92-4254-A744-96DBF0A5202C@widomaker.com>
References: <59B92B40-7F92-4254-A744-96DBF0A5202C@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <5687EC9E.5106.2AD9E20@Gary.ka1j.com>

Though you did get the info you asked and that SKN is over, this info 
may be moot but it's a worthy read. SKN is not a contest though it 
can be looked at that way. Here is the official website and it 
explains it well.

http://www.arrl.org/straight-key-night

On the personal side, I enjoy SKN for several reasons but one main 
reason; it allows me to experience ham radio the way it was before 
digital everything took over our operating stations. Back when people 
made more than a "contest style" 599 TU & back to CQing for their 
next fly by contact. During SKN, people send their station 
information, rig, antenna, key, their name and QTH and the RST is 
real rather than cookie cutter 599 regardless of signal.

It's refreshing to ignore the electronic log that already gives you 
their name & QTH the second you enter their call, and listen to them 
send their town, a comma and then their state. It takes me back to 
the days of my paper log where it was a challenge to remember 
someone's name when you hear their familiar call, where if you wanted 
to know where someone lived to send a QSL, you needed to the look it 
up in the US and international editions of the US Call Book. 
Sometimes DX would send their mailing address and it was a test of 
copy skills to get the unusual street names and town names correctly 
over the QRN & QSB. But when you did it that way, those QSL cards 
meant so much more. As a poor student in Nursing School, I remember 
hand drawing my first QSL cards, artfully, because I couldn't afford 
to pay someone to make them, paper was cheap and pens were plentiful. 
Those original KA1DQG cards were a joy to make and surely were 
appreciated by the recipients. SKN reminds me of those days.

It was a time of more honesty in RST and comments as to poor tone and 
others trying to help you without the eternal LID or UP being always 
sent. QRM is worse today but there always was QRM, even Maxim called 
it Rotten QRM and had his Wouf Hong at the ready to do battle. But I 
wax nostalgic; SKN is a time to experience older times when I think 
Ham Radio was more fun and personal when it comes to the QSO itself. 

You hear some on hand keys today, I suspect the speed demons bypass 
them like the tortoise and the Hare but those with the hand keys are 
still living the joy that made Ham Radio great and a contact more of 
a joy than another minimalist Q in the log. I have my Begali 
Sculpture and use it daily but sometimes I bring out the old Navy 
Key, just because of respect for the old days. 

This SKN I used my K3 at around 40 watts with my father's Navy key he 
brought back from Pearl Harbor when he was there in the 40's. Some of 
the contacts I made were using their tube gear. It's fun to ragchew 
about their old radio that they just dusted off. Truth be told, the 
most fun QSO's I've had in the last year were those SKN QSOs because 
you have to invest your effort to the copy and the conversation is 
much more active and personal, it's Ham Radio today as it was then. 
Consider it an annual Brigadoon of Ham Radio, you just don't have to 
wait 100 years to enjoy it again.

Try to fit it in if you can, next year.

73,
Gary
KA1J 


> I've seen several references to Straight Key Nite being tonight. Guys, I thought SKN was Jan 1st. On the east coast, it's still Dec 31st. SKN should be tomorrow nite. Right?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>


From n0jrn at att.net  Sat Jan  2 11:01:59 2016
From: n0jrn at att.net (Jerry Ford)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:01:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 IN EC2 ENCLOSURE
In-Reply-To: <5687CB16.7070008@embarqmail.com>
References: <5687CB16.7070008@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <88027587.4766740.1451750519337.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Good Morning Don:
I did as you?instructed.??On 40 meters the watt meter is?reading?120 watts.
I have 1 LED showing on the tuner.? The display on the K2 shows 52 wattsand 1.1-1? SWR
As I change bands,? the results change.???The higher bands are showing less power out and SWR up to? 1.5-1..???? The number of LED'sshowing on the tuner agree with the SWR indicated on the K2's display.
The tuner does not attempt to tune.? I do not hear the relays changingas I move from band to band.? Entering? " TUNE "?? mode is the sameas entering transmit with my straight key.? 
I have to tap my key or one of the button on the K2? to exit TUNE.
Where does this take us ??
Thank you Don and Happy New Year:
Jerry???????????? N0JRN





     ?
First put an in-line wattmeter and a dummy load on the KAT100 ANT1 
connector, set the power to 50 watts and then enter TUNE.
1) does the tuner tune so no LEDs are lit on the KAT100?? If no, how 
many are lit?
2) what is the power indicated on the wattmeter (it should be about 20 
watts)?

You may have "popped" one or more of the diodes in either the KPA100 or 
the KAT100 wattmeter, but the answers to the above questions will 
indicate where to look next.


  

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 11:32:58 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 IN EC2 ENCLOSURE
In-Reply-To: <88027587.4766740.1451750519337.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5687CB16.7070008@embarqmail.com>
	<88027587.4766740.1451750519337.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5687FBBA.2050904@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

If you set the power to 40 watts as I asked, you should not have 120 
watts output with TUNE.
First you have to fix that power control problem.  The most likely cause 
of that is the wattmeter diodes D16 and D17 in the KPA100. They are 
1N5711 diodes, and you should order 4 of them so you can have 2 to 
replace the ones in the KAT100 if necessary.

After replacing those diodes, test the KPA100 mounted on the base K2, 
*not* in the EC2 enclosure.  If you still do not have good power control 
- a TUNE with the KPA100 only connected to the base K2 should produce 20 
watts, TUNE + DISPLAY should produce the power you have set on the power 
knob.

In the meantime, you might try removing the KPA100 from the EC2 
enclosure and operating the KAT100 only from the base K2 (you will have 
to power the KAT100 from the 2.1mm power jack).  Again, first into a 
dummy load with the external wattmeter connected in-line. With the ATU 
menu set to CAL, does the external wattmeter agree with the power 
displayed on the K2, and does the SWR agree (during a TUNE)?  If so, the 
wattmeter diodes in the KAT100 are OK.
Next, set the ATU menu to AUTO and see if the KAT100 tunes to the dummy 
load.  If not, either the firmware is faulty or U2 or U3 or U4 may be 
faulty.

You can go into the ATU menu and activate each relay individually - see 
the KAT100 manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 11:01 AM, Jerry Ford wrote:
> Good Morning Don:
> I did as you instructed.  On 40 meters the watt meter is reading 120 watts.
> I have 1 LED showing on the tuner.  The display on the K2 shows 52 wattsand 1.1-1  SWR
> As I change bands,  the results change.   The higher bands are showing less power out and SWR up to  1.5-1..     The number of LED'sshowing on the tuner agree with the SWR indicated on the K2's display.
> The tuner does not attempt to tune.  I do not hear the relays changingas I move from band to band.  Entering  " TUNE "   mode is the sameas entering transmit with my straight key.
> I have to tap my key or one of the button on the K2  to exit TUNE.
> Where does this take us ??
> Thank you Don and Happy New Year:
> Jerry             N0JRN
>
>
>
>
>
>        
> First put an in-line wattmeter and a dummy load on the KAT100 ANT1
> connector, set the power to 50 watts and then enter TUNE.
> 1) does the tuner tune so no LEDs are lit on the KAT100?  If no, how
> many are lit?
> 2) what is the power indicated on the wattmeter (it should be about 20
> watts)?
>
> You may have "popped" one or more of the diodes in either the KPA100 or
> the KAT100 wattmeter, but the answers to the above questions will
> indicate where to look next.
>
>
>    
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Jan  2 13:48:32 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 10:48:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SKN.
In-Reply-To: <5687EC9E.5106.2AD9E20@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <59B92B40-7F92-4254-A744-96DBF0A5202C@widomaker.com>
	<5687EC9E.5106.2AD9E20@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <001e01d1458e$2e2033f0$8a609bd0$@biz>

Gary wrote:

On the personal side, I enjoy SKN for several reasons but one main reason;
it allows me to experience ham radio the way it was before digital
everything took over our operating stations. Back when people made more than
a "contest style" 599 TU & back to CQing for their next fly by contact.
During SKN, people send their station information, rig, antenna, key, their
name and QTH and the RST is real rather than cookie cutter 599 regardless of
signal.

It's refreshing to ignore the electronic log that already gives you their
name & QTH the second you enter their call, and listen to them send their
town, a comma and then their state. It takes me back to the days of my paper
log where it was a challenge to remember someone's name when you hear their
familiar call, where if you wanted to know where someone lived to send a
QSL, you needed to the look it up in the US and international editions of
the US Call Book.

------------------

The only operating I do is rag chewing, mostly on CW with a very rare AM/SSB
contact, and I keep a paper log. Since I don't contest I have no need to
hook a computer to my rig. 

Going QRP is another way to dig up ragchew QSOs throughout the year. I find
that QRP operators more often than not like to talk about their rigs,
especially the homebrewers. My ears prick up when I hear a slightly
odd-sounding signal. Perhaps a hint of chirp or it drifts slightly. Aha!
That must be a fellow with an interesting rig. 

My favorites are 40 and 30 meters. They're almost always open and 30 meters
is a welcome refuge from contests. 

While many Hams today focus on contests or DX-ing, we are out there on the
bands looking for an interesting QSO.

73, Ron AC7AC


From n5ge at n5ge.com  Sat Jan  2 14:09:23 2016
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 13:09:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QLF?
In-Reply-To: <8020ED1E-99CC-4032-B9A1-D33B3794197A@law.du.edu>
References: <8020ED1E-99CC-4032-B9A1-D33B3794197A@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <8k7g8bthsbbldf2he7u1dple0htvhcbd4u@4ax.com>

When I lived in Oklahoma City, the yearly ham fest had a QLF contest.
Participants did not need to bring a key.  The club had a straight key
that was about four or five feet long and about two feet wide.  All
contestants used that key.

It was quite fun to watch ;o)

Good luck, Ted

Tom,

N5GE

On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 05:30:01 +0000, you wrote:

>I just learned there will be a QLF contest at Frostfest in Richmond in February.  (Our son and his family live there, so the trip wouldn?t be entirely fanciful.)  If I enter the contest I?ll want to train for it seriously.  Having never done QLF before, I am open to advice.  First, the equipment ? do the contestants each bring their own ?key? or is there some contraption everyone has to use, to equalize the challenge?  How about a KXPD3, for the low power single toe division?  What?s the duration of the transmission?  What characteristics will the judges be most attentive to ? would a snazzy sock design give an unfair advantage?
>
>And yes, Elecraft reportedly will have a table there too.
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
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From n5ge at n5ge.com  Sat Jan  2 14:17:47 2016
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 13:17:47 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft.com - NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
In-Reply-To: <5687AA83.6010003@necg.de>
References: <56870FF2.2000001@arrl.net> <5687AA83.6010003@necg.de>
Message-ID: <qf8g8bpj31ursoidea1g72jv752kid2425@4ax.com>

Well said Olli.



On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:46:27 +0100, you wrote:

>http://www.elecraft.com is not using any certificates (just checked), 
>it's just plain http, not https (thus no need for certificates). It only 
>switches to https when you are going to pay an order like in "Check Out 
>Now". And even then it's not Elecraft anymore but cartserver.com which 
>is providing the service and has a valid certificate.
>
>Otherwise I'd appreciate if you'd discuss issues with your internet 
>provider in the appropriate forums. Everybody worldwide can access the 
>Elecraft website fine just not a handful of Verizon FIOS customers. Now 
>go figure where the fault is ...
>
>Thanks,
>Olli
>
>Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
>
>
>Am 02.01.2016 um 00:46 schrieb Byron Peebles:
>> The Elecraft site has an invalid certificate, so others having issues 
>> are probably related to that.
>>
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From wrcooke at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 14:52:51 2016
From: wrcooke at yahoo.com (WILLIS COOKE)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 19:52:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] QLF?
In-Reply-To: <8k7g8bthsbbldf2he7u1dple0htvhcbd4u@4ax.com>
References: <8k7g8bthsbbldf2he7u1dple0htvhcbd4u@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1944563135.4768639.1451764371262.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

We have a QLF contest each year at the Tidelands Amateur Radio Society in Texas City, Texas.In the past, we have used a door bell buzzer and a regular CW hand key. ?It works well, but last year we had a participant complain that the buzzer was too loud, but one of the judges complained that he ?could not hear well enough when the announcer activated the PA. ?I think this year that we will allow hearing protection for the participants and let the judges set the volume. ?Some times you can't please everyone!?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,Tidelands VP and Hamfest Chairman for 2016 K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS
 

      From: Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <n5ge at n5ge.com>
 To: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu> 
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 1:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QLF?
   
When I lived in Oklahoma City, the yearly ham fest had a QLF contest.
Participants did not need to bring a key.? The club had a straight key
that was about four or five feet long and about two feet wide.? All
contestants used that key.

It was quite fun to watch ;o)

Good luck, Ted

Tom,

N5GE

On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 05:30:01 +0000, you wrote:

>I just learned there will be a QLF contest at Frostfest in Richmond in February.? (Our son and his family live there, so the trip wouldn?t be entirely fanciful.)? If I enter the contest I?ll want to train for it seriously.? Having never done QLF before, I am open to advice.? First, the equipment ? do the contestants each bring their own ?key? or is there some contraption everyone has to use, to equalize the challenge?? How about a KXPD3, for the low power single toe division?? What?s the duration of the transmission?? What characteristics will the judges be most attentive to ? would a snazzy sock design give an unfair advantage?
>
>And yes, Elecraft reportedly will have a table there too.
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
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From todd at ruby-wine.com  Sat Jan  2 15:04:37 2016
From: todd at ruby-wine.com (todd ruby)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:04:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
Message-ID: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>

From what I can determine, some areas in the US can not get the HTML of the site to open using Fios, regardless of the browser. I just sent 10 successful pings with an average time of 77 ms. The trace route did not time out and got to elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com/> in 77 ms. I spoke to a 4th level tech who along with 2 of her colleagues raised the site with no problems. They were not here in MD though. I also have heard a user in Plano, TX with the same issue.

Since it?s the weekend, let?s see if they can get to the bottom of it by next week.

73

todd

WB2ZAB


From wrcooke at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 15:16:11 2016
From: wrcooke at yahoo.com (WILLIS COOKE)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 20:16:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SKN.
In-Reply-To: <5687EC9E.5106.2AD9E20@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <5687EC9E.5106.2AD9E20@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <30136159.4826628.1451765771761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

For everyone's information, the Straight Key Century Club has Straight Key Night every day and night 24 hours per day and 7 days per week all year. ?Some of us are Ludites Never get enough Straight Key and Bug operation. ?We even have some that like and use side swipers. ?Read about us ?and our activities at ?SKCCgroup.com and join us if you like what you see, we are free and will not ask for money. ?If you are new to CW and would like to get better, we will QRS for you and welcome you!
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,SKCC #4077S K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS
 

      From: Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 9:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SKN.
   
Though you did get the info you asked and that SKN is over, this info 
may be moot but it's a worthy read. SKN is not a contest though it 
can be looked at that way. Here is the official website and it 
explains it well.

http://www.arrl.org/straight-key-night

On the personal side, I enjoy SKN for several reasons but one main 
reason; it allows me to experience ham radio the way it was before 
digital everything took over our operating stations. Back when people 
made more than a "contest style" 599 TU & back to CQing for their 
next fly by contact. During SKN, people send their station 
information, rig, antenna, key, their name and QTH and the RST is 
real rather than cookie cutter 599 regardless of signal.

It's refreshing to ignore the electronic log that already gives you 
their name & QTH the second you enter their call, and listen to them 
send their town, a comma and then their state. It takes me back to 
the days of my paper log where it was a challenge to remember 
someone's name when you hear their familiar call, where if you wanted 
to know where someone lived to send a QSL, you needed to the look it 
up in the US and international editions of the US Call Book. 
Sometimes DX would send their mailing address and it was a test of 
copy skills to get the unusual street names and town names correctly 
over the QRN & QSB. But when you did it that way, those QSL cards 
meant so much more. As a poor student in Nursing School, I remember 
hand drawing my first QSL cards, artfully, because I couldn't afford 
to pay someone to make them, paper was cheap and pens were plentiful. 
Those original KA1DQG cards were a joy to make and surely were 
appreciated by the recipients. SKN reminds me of those days.

It was a time of more honesty in RST and comments as to poor tone and 
others trying to help you without the eternal LID or UP being always 
sent. QRM is worse today but there always was QRM, even Maxim called 
it Rotten QRM and had his Wouf Hong at the ready to do battle. But I 
wax nostalgic; SKN is a time to experience older times when I think 
Ham Radio was more fun and personal when it comes to the QSO itself. 

You hear some on hand keys today, I suspect the speed demons bypass 
them like the tortoise and the Hare but those with the hand keys are 
still living the joy that made Ham Radio great and a contact more of 
a joy than another minimalist Q in the log. I have my Begali 
Sculpture and use it daily but sometimes I bring out the old Navy 
Key, just because of respect for the old days. 

This SKN I used my K3 at around 40 watts with my father's Navy key he 
brought back from Pearl Harbor when he was there in the 40's. Some of 
the contacts I made were using their tube gear. It's fun to ragchew 
about their old radio that they just dusted off. Truth be told, the 
most fun QSO's I've had in the last year were those SKN QSOs because 
you have to invest your effort to the copy and the conversation is 
much more active and personal, it's Ham Radio today as it was then. 
Consider it an annual Brigadoon of Ham Radio, you just don't have to 
wait 100 years to enjoy it again.

Try to fit it in if you can, next year.

73,
Gary
KA1J 


> I've seen several references to Straight Key Nite being tonight. Guys, I thought SKN was Jan 1st. On the east coast, it's still Dec 31st. SKN should be tomorrow nite. Right?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jan  2 15:22:04 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 12:22:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] QLF?
In-Reply-To: <8k7g8bthsbbldf2he7u1dple0htvhcbd4u@4ax.com>
References: <8020ED1E-99CC-4032-B9A1-D33B3794197A@law.du.edu>
	<8k7g8bthsbbldf2he7u1dple0htvhcbd4u@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5688316C.2090800@foothill.net>

Someone in the Nor Cal Contest Club is purported to be the custodian of 
a fairly large key, used at IDXC in Visalia [I think] for "butt sending" 
in the occasional QLF contest.  FWIW, every QLF contest I've entered 
and/or seen in the last 60+ years always provided the "key" to forestall 
complaints about fairness.  They didn't actually forestall any 
complaints which were numerous and somewhat raucous, but it was an attempt.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/2/2016 11:09 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
> When I lived in Oklahoma City, the yearly ham fest had a QLF contest.
> Participants did not need to bring a key.  The club had a straight key
> that was about four or five feet long and about two feet wide.  All
> contestants used that key.
>
> It was quite fun to watch ;o)
>
> Good luck, Ted
>
> Tom,
>
> N5GE


From w4fmd.steve at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:26:59 2016
From: w4fmd.steve at gmail.com (Steve Glickstein)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
Message-ID: <56883293.7090203@gmail.com>

Todd, I'm on FIOS across the river from you in Fairfax, VA.  No problem 
on FIOS to access Elecraft with my Windows 7 computer. My Windows 10 
machine is a different matter.  No access after an update to Ver. 1511 
Build 10586.36.

73, Steve W4FMD

On 1/2/2016 3:04 PM, todd ruby wrote:
>  From what I can determine, some areas in the US can not get the HTML of the site to open using Fios, regardless of the browser. I just sent 10 successful pings with an average time of 77 ms. The trace route did not time out and got to elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com/> in 77 ms. I spoke to a 4th level tech who along with 2 of her colleagues raised the site with no problems. They were not here in MD though. I also have heard a user in Plano, TX with the same issue.
>
> Since it?s the weekend, let?s see if they can get to the bottom of it by next week.
>
> 73
>
> todd
>
> WB2ZAB
>
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sat Jan  2 15:41:22 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 13:41:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
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Hi,

I am on FIOS here in CNY and I have the exact same symptoms. Ping and
tracert reach the site with no problems, but no browser can establish an
HTTP connection; instead it sits there forever with the message "Waiting for
elecraft.com". Doesn't that mean that you can't rule out a problem with the
Elecraft site or their ISP?

Knut - AB2TC


todd ruby-2 wrote
> From what I can determine, some areas in the US can not get the HTML of
> the site to open using Fios, regardless of the browser. I just sent 10
> successful pings with an average time of 77 ms. The trace route did not
> time out and got to elecraft.com &lt;http://elecraft.com/&gt; in 77 ms. I
> spoke to a 4th level tech who along with 2 of her colleagues raised the
> site with no problems. They were not here in MD though. I also have heard
> a user in Plano, TX with the same issue.
> 
> Since it?s the weekend, let?s see if they can get to the bottom of it by
> next week.
> 
> 73
> 
> todd
> 
> WB2ZAB
> 
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sat Jan  2 15:47:05 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 13:47:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1451767625241-7612190.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi again,

Of course, until this is fixed, there is an easy workaround: Use one of the
many free proxies, like this one:

https://hide.me/en/proxy

Knut - AB2TC



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From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:58:49 2016
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 14:58:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/KX3] Memory Editor
Message-ID: <CAA0D6AF-EDD1-4D52-B185-7DCCE08FB853@gmail.com>

Is there a memory editor for Mac? I ask because I have been using the K3 Memory Editor on and off via Parallels for quite some time but it doesn?t seem to function the way I remember it working.

I had to go in and make a lot of changes to the memories on my K3 yesterday. I thought you could copy and paste memories from one slot to another. In other words, I have memory slots one, two, and three. I thought if I deleted memory slot two, I could copy-and-paste three into where two used to be. Try as I might, I could not yesterday.

I tried with the K3 Memory Editor in Parallels and rebooting to my Win10 partition in BootCamp. Perhaps it is a Win10 issue? I do not have a Win7 machine that I can try.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:58:46 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:58:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>

Knut,

The fact that the problem seems to be limited to Fios (but only some of 
the customers).
Note that Steve W4FMD just posted that he had no problem with his 
Windows 7 computer, but had the problem with his Win 10 computer after 
update Ver. 1511 Build 10586.36.

Are you running Windows 10?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 3:41 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am on FIOS here in CNY and I have the exact same symptoms. Ping and
> tracert reach the site with no problems, but no browser can establish an
> HTTP connection; instead it sits there forever with the message "Waiting for
> elecraft.com". Doesn't that mean that you can't rule out a problem with the
> Elecraft site or their ISP?
>
>


From w4rm at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 16:10:09 2016
From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:10:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>	<1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a2c01d145a1$f8afff70$ea0ffe50$@aol.com>

Yes, I'm on windows 10 and FiOS and can't get to the Elecraft site for days.

73 Bill  W4RM 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 3:59 PM
To: ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios

Knut,

The fact that the problem seems to be limited to Fios (but only some of the
customers).
Note that Steve W4FMD just posted that he had no problem with his Windows 7
computer, but had the problem with his Win 10 computer after update Ver.
1511 Build 10586.36.

Are you running Windows 10?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 3:41 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am on FIOS here in CNY and I have the exact same symptoms. Ping and 
> tracert reach the site with no problems, but no browser can establish 
> an HTTP connection; instead it sits there forever with the message 
> "Waiting for elecraft.com". Doesn't that mean that you can't rule out 
> a problem with the Elecraft site or their ISP?
>
>

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From bob.novas at verizon.net  Sat Jan  2 16:12:17 2016
From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 16:12:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR and K3S
Message-ID: <029f01d145a2$42e16020$c8a42060$@verizon.net>

I'm trying to use WSPR 2.1 with a K3S and the USB hookup.  The K3S works
with fldigi just fine, but no joy with WSPR.  I set them up on the same COM
port.  Is there something else I need to do?  Thanks, Bob W3DK

 


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sat Jan  2 16:12:41 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 14:12:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1451769161313-7612194.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Don,

No, I am  running Win7 and I have made zero changes to my setup in the last
6 months. I am not touching Win10 for at least 2 more years when the folks
have caught up with their drivers, maybe.

Knut - AB2TC


Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
> Knut,
> 
> The fact that the problem seems to be limited to Fios (but only some of 
> the customers).
> Note that Steve W4FMD just posted that he had no problem with his 
> Windows 7 computer, but had the problem with his Win 10 computer after 
> update Ver. 1511 Build 10586.36.
> 
> Are you running Windows 10?
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> <snip>





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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:17:39 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:17:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/KX3] Memory Editor
In-Reply-To: <CAA0D6AF-EDD1-4D52-B185-7DCCE08FB853@gmail.com>
References: <CAA0D6AF-EDD1-4D52-B185-7DCCE08FB853@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56883E73.8030207@embarqmail.com>

Joel,

It may not be your computer at all.  The current production K3 Memory 
Editor has a problem with Paste.
Dick N6KR posted a link to a beta version which fixes it on 12/26/2015.  
Unfortunately, it has not been moved to production (likely due to the 
holidays).

In the meantime, the fixed version is available at
ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/tmp/FrequencyMemoryEditor/beta

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 3:58 PM, Joel Black wrote:
> Is there a memory editor for Mac? I ask because I have been using the K3 Memory Editor on and off via Parallels for quite some time but it doesn?t seem to function the way I remember it working.
>
> I had to go in and make a lot of changes to the memories on my K3 yesterday. I thought you could copy and paste memories from one slot to another. In other words, I have memory slots one, two, and three. I thought if I deleted memory slot two, I could copy-and-paste three into where two used to be. Try as I might, I could not yesterday.
>
> I tried with the K3 Memory Editor in Parallels and rebooting to my Win10 partition in BootCamp. Perhaps it is a Win10 issue? I do not have a Win7 machine that I can try.
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:19:38 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <0a2c01d145a1$f8afff70$ea0ffe50$@aol.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>
	<0a2c01d145a1$f8afff70$ea0ffe50$@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56883EEA.1070503@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Try removing that update to Windows 10 and see if the problem is "cured".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 4:10 PM, Bill OMara wrote:
> Yes, I'm on windows 10 and FiOS and can't get to the Elecraft site for days.
>
> 73 Bill  W4RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
> Wilhelm
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 3:59 PM
> To: ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
>
> Knut,
>
> The fact that the problem seems to be limited to Fios (but only some of the
> customers).
> Note that Steve W4FMD just posted that he had no problem with his Windows 7
> computer, but had the problem with his Win 10 computer after update Ver.
> 1511 Build 10586.36.
>
> Are you running Windows 10?
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/2/2016 3:41 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am on FIOS here in CNY and I have the exact same symptoms. Ping and
>> tracert reach the site with no problems, but no browser can establish
>> an HTTP connection; instead it sits there forever with the message
>> "Waiting for elecraft.com". Doesn't that mean that you can't rule out
>> a problem with the Elecraft site or their ISP?
>>
>>
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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Sat Jan  2 16:22:58 2016
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:22:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
Message-ID: <AABMJSSBLA63H7PS@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>


not just FIOS verizon dsl isnt getting to elecraft either
win7 pro

Bob K3DJC


On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:58:46 -0500 Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
writes:
> Knut,
> 
> The fact that the problem seems to be limited to Fios (but only some 
> of 
> the customers).
> Note that Steve W4FMD just posted that he had no problem with his 
> Windows 7 computer, but had the problem with his Win 10 computer 
> after 
> update Ver. 1511 Build 10586.36.
> 
> Are you running Windows 10?
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR


From neilz at techie.com  Sat Jan  2 16:27:39 2016
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <0a2c01d145a1$f8afff70$ea0ffe50$@aol.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>
	<0a2c01d145a1$f8afff70$ea0ffe50$@aol.com>
Message-ID: <568840CB.8070303@techie.com>

What are you using for a browser ?   I'm in the middle of Pennsylvania, 
using Windows 10 with the latest build, with Firefox, and it comes up 
quickly.  According to YSlow, it has an overall Grade A for performance.

Again, it appears that the issue is limited to Verizon users in parts of 
the country.

Neil
KN3ILZ

On 1/2/2016 4:10 PM, Bill OMara wrote:
> Yes, I'm on windows 10 and FiOS and can't get to the Elecraft site for days.
>
> 73 Bill  W4RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
> Wilhelm
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 3:59 PM
> To: ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
>
> Knut,
>
> The fact that the problem seems to be limited to Fios (but only some of the
> customers).
> Note that Steve W4FMD just posted that he had no problem with his Windows 7
> computer, but had the problem with his Win 10 computer after update Ver.
> 1511 Build 10586.36.
>
> Are you running Windows 10?
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/2/2016 3:41 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am on FIOS here in CNY and I have the exact same symptoms. Ping and
>> tracert reach the site with no problems, but no browser can establish
>> an HTTP connection; instead it sits there forever with the message
>> "Waiting for elecraft.com". Doesn't that mean that you can't rule out
>> a problem with the Elecraft site or their ISP?
>>
>>
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From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:32:14 2016
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:32:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Khz filter question
Message-ID: <COL131-W1319AA4DC41648DB154EDF91F00@phx.gbl>

Good afternoon all, I have for some time now had the 6 Khz filter installed in my K3. I was just recently on JT-65 in Data A mode and wanted to use the 6Khz filter. I was only able to open the width to 4 Khz using the width knob? I wanted to open it up to 6 khz so I could receive both JT65 and JT9 signals. 
Any ideas
Mike VE3WDm

	
		
			
		
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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:42:16 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 21:42:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Khz filter question
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W1319AA4DC41648DB154EDF91F00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL131-W1319AA4DC41648DB154EDF91F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b9KntBzJ82Hz1KB843hO1x-HWr5a4ay=WaNG1M2e20zFw@mail.gmail.com>

There's a 4KHz low pass audio filter inline that will limit the rx audio
passband, even if the width control allowed you to go higher.

Barry N1EU

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Mike Weir <ve3wdm at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Good afternoon all, I have for some time now had the 6 Khz filter
> installed in my K3. I was just recently on JT-65 in Data A mode and wanted
> to use the 6Khz filter. I was only able to open the width to 4 Khz using
> the width knob? I wanted to open it up to 6 khz so I could receive both
> JT65 and JT9 signals.
> Any ideas
> Mike VE3WDm
>
>
>
>
>
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From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:43:12 2016
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:43:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/KX3] Memory Editor
In-Reply-To: <56883E73.8030207@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAA0D6AF-EDD1-4D52-B185-7DCCE08FB853@gmail.com>
	<56883E73.8030207@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1A4370C-0ABE-4674-B114-A17AC1AC5739@gmail.com>

Thanks, Don. That version fixed the copy-paste issue.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Joel,
> 
> It may not be your computer at all.  The current production K3 Memory Editor has a problem with Paste.
> Dick N6KR posted a link to a beta version which fixes it on 12/26/2015.  Unfortunately, it has not been moved to production (likely due to the holidays).
> 
> In the meantime, the fixed version is available at
> ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/tmp/FrequencyMemoryEditor/beta
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 1/2/2016 3:58 PM, Joel Black wrote:
>> Is there a memory editor for Mac? I ask because I have been using the K3 Memory Editor on and off via Parallels for quite some time but it doesn?t seem to function the way I remember it working.
>> 
>> I had to go in and make a lot of changes to the memories on my K3 yesterday. I thought you could copy and paste memories from one slot to another. In other words, I have memory slots one, two, and three. I thought if I deleted memory slot two, I could copy-and-paste three into where two used to be. Try as I might, I could not yesterday.
>> 
>> I tried with the K3 Memory Editor in Parallels and rebooting to my Win10 partition in BootCamp. Perhaps it is a Win10 issue? I do not have a Win7 machine that I can try.
>> 
> 


From k0dxv at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 16:45:43 2016
From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 14:45:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <56883EEA.1070503@embarqmail.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
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Message-ID: <56884507.4050109@aol.com>

If it were a problem with Windows 10.  It would be a problem with every 
Windows 10.  It's not Elecraft's server and its not Windows 10.  So 
perhaps you guys having trouble can go create you're own special 
interest group.  I'm pretty sure I saw Eric say enough on this already.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 1/2/2016 2:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Try removing that update to Windows 10 and see if the problem is "cured".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/2/2016 4:10 PM, Bill OMara wrote:
>> Yes, I'm on windows 10 and FiOS and can't get to the Elecraft site 
>> for days.
>>
>> 73 Bill  W4RM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Don
>> Wilhelm
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 3:59 PM
>> To: ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
>>
>> Knut,
>>
>> The fact that the problem seems to be limited to Fios (but only some 
>> of the
>> customers).
>> Note that Steve W4FMD just posted that he had no problem with his 
>> Windows 7
>> computer, but had the problem with his Win 10 computer after update Ver.
>> 1511 Build 10586.36.
>>
>> Are you running Windows 10?
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/2/2016 3:41 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am on FIOS here in CNY and I have the exact same symptoms. Ping and
>>> tracert reach the site with no problems, but no browser can establish
>>> an HTTP connection; instead it sits there forever with the message
>>> "Waiting for elecraft.com". Doesn't that mean that you can't rule out
>>> a problem with the Elecraft site or their ISP?
>>>
>>>
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From htodd at twofifty.com  Sat Jan  2 16:47:17 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 13:47:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3MDKT, KIO3B, KXV3B install order?
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601021343070.15130@chris.i8u.org>

Hoping someone has done this already, but the KVIO3B is still pretty
new.

I'm about to start reading the inserts, but wondering if anyone has any
suggestions as to installation order into my K3.

(Yeah, I know it was more expensive to do this way, but it's my hobby.
I'm not doing it to maximize the money I have, I'm doing it to maximize
the fun I have fiddling with my radio when the bands don't appear to be
cooperating.) :)

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From idarack at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:55:25 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Fan Settings
Message-ID: <CAGC7P24XuY9tVFErvNRdAS66vz9aDfKjuiFsb__Y0_=tYs7zcA@mail.gmail.com>

How do I set the radio to turn on the fans when then 100 w amp temp gets to
a specific temperature.  I am playing around with the RTTY contest -
running 70 watts output into a tuned antenna.

With KPA3 set to NOR, the fans do not seem to turn on, even when the 100W
amp gets to high. I know the fans are working because when I set KPA3 to FN
1 to 4, then fans run continuously at the appropriate speed.

PA temp is set to 27C.  Should this be lower?

Thanks,
Irwin KD3TB

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:59:44 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:59:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Khz filter question
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W1319AA4DC41648DB154EDF91F00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL131-W1319AA4DC41648DB154EDF91F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56884850.1020309@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

The K3 audio is limited by a LPF to 4 kHz.
Early on, the K3 audio was wider, but many complained about a high 
frequency "hiss", so the LPF was installed.  (See the early K3 archives).
The WIDTH knob also has always been limited to 4 kHz.
The 6 kHz filter was *intended* for AM use, and a 6 kHz IF width will 
result in an audio width of 3 kHz, so 4 kHz audio width is sufficient 
for that.

You can tune the VFO when switching between JT65-HF and JT9.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 4:32 PM, Mike Weir wrote:
> Good afternoon all, I have for some time now had the 6 Khz filter installed in my K3. I was just recently on JT-65 in Data A mode and wanted to use the 6Khz filter. I was only able to open the width to 4 Khz using the width knob? I wanted to open it up to 6 khz so I could receive both JT65 and JT9 signals.
> Any ideas
> Mike VE3WDm
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From lists at subich.com  Sat Jan  2 17:08:07 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Khz filter question
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W1319AA4DC41648DB154EDF91F00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL131-W1319AA4DC41648DB154EDF91F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56884A47.4030701@subich.com>


The DSP is limited to a maximum bandwidth of 4000 Hz and a highest
"high cut" frequency of 4200 Hz.  However, that 4 KHz (200-4200 Hz)
is more than adequate to cover both JT65 and JT9 sections of the
various digital activity (e.g., dial = 14.076 gives 14.0762-14.080
with no issues).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/2/2016 4:32 PM, Mike Weir wrote:
> Good afternoon all, I have for some time now had the 6 Khz filter installed in my K3. I was just recently on JT-65 in Data A mode and wanted to use the 6Khz filter. I was only able to open the width to 4 Khz using the width knob? I wanted to open it up to 6 khz so I could receive both JT65 and JT9 signals.
> Any ideas
> Mike VE3WDm
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From catherine.james at att.net  Sat Jan  2 17:10:15 2016
From: catherine.james at att.net (Catherine James)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 22:10:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA100 no receive on SO239
References: <6112046.5712477.1451772615762.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6112046.5712477.1451772615762.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I have largely completed building my KPA100, and reached the point in testing where the speaker works if connected to the base K2 with the signal coming in through the BNC antenna port.

However, I have been unable to hear anything when the antenna is connected to the KPA100's SO239 antenna port.  On 40m, I had a strong signal coming in on a different receiver, but switching the same antenna to the K2/100 produced silence.  (Because of lack of signals on other bands lately, I cannot do a good receive test on other bands.  The K2 receiver is too quiet to use normal band noise for a good test!  I may have to create my own QRP signal from a different transmitter into a dummy load to have a signal to listen for.)

I have traced DC continuity from the RF Aux pin on the KPA100 board to TP2 and TP3. I have also traced DC continuity from the center pin of the SO239 to T4-6, T4-5, and C1.  I also appear to have DC continuity between L4, L5, and L6.

Are K5 and K6 latching relays?  Should I have DC continuity from RF Aux RFIN all the way to J2, going through the low-pass filter of the band most recently selected?  Or do K5 and K6 open on all bands when power is off?

What should I check next?

73,
Cathy
N5WVR

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 17:13:56 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:13:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Fan Settings
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24XuY9tVFErvNRdAS66vz9aDfKjuiFsb__Y0_=tYs7zcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24XuY9tVFErvNRdAS66vz9aDfKjuiFsb__Y0_=tYs7zcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56884BA4.4040506@embarqmail.com>

Irwin,

Yes, I think that PA Temp setting *may* be too high, but it 'all depends'.
The PA Temp indication will follow the actual temperature of the 
heatsink, so if your K3 has been on for a while, that 27 degC may be normal.
Follow the instructions in the manual to set the temperature.
First turn off the K3 and leave it off until the heatsink acclimates to 
room temperature (at least 15 minutes, I recommend 30 minutes).
Then turn it on and go to the PA TEMP menu - set it to the room 
temperature in degC.  For a 73 degF room, that would be 23 degC.

If I recall, the fan will not turn on until the PA Temp reaches 40 degC.

If you want the fan to come on sooner, set the PA Temp to a higher value.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 4:55 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> How do I set the radio to turn on the fans when then 100 w amp temp gets to
> a specific temperature.  I am playing around with the RTTY contest -
> running 70 watts output into a tuned antenna.
>
> With KPA3 set to NOR, the fans do not seem to turn on, even when the 100W
> amp gets to high. I know the fans are working because when I set KPA3 to FN
> 1 to 4, then fans run continuously at the appropriate speed.
>
> PA temp is set to 27C.  Should this be lower?
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 17:17:44 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:17:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3MDKT, KIO3B, KXV3B install order?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601021343070.15130@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601021343070.15130@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <56884C88.40708@embarqmail.com>

I would suggest the KXV3B be installed before the KIO3B.
The KBPF3MDKT can be installed at any time - there is no physical 
problems requiring removal of other options (other than the SUBRX) to 
make those changes.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 4:47 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
> Hoping someone has done this already, but the KVIO3B is still pretty
> new.
>
> I'm about to start reading the inserts, but wondering if anyone has any
> suggestions as to installation order into my K3.
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 17:35:15 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA100 no receive on SO239
In-Reply-To: <6112046.5712477.1451772615762.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6112046.5712477.1451772615762.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6112046.5712477.1451772615762.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <568850A3.1010205@embarqmail.com>

Cathy,

You must have the ribbon cable connected.  With that connection and the 
power turned on the base K2 (no power to the KPA100), you should have 
continuity between the center of the KPA100 SO-239 jack and the center 
conductor of the KPA100 board RF IN coax.
Yes, the KPA100 Low Pass Filter is in the path.  The base K2 12CTRL line 
powers the relays as well as the MCU and other control circuits in the 
KPA100.
The relays in the KAP100 are not latching type.
If you do not have continuity as described above, check the soldering.  
The KPA100 has a large copper ground plane area.  If you did not use a 
soldering temperature of the recommended 800 degF, you may have 
inadequately heated solder connections - reflow the soldering until you 
see the solder flow out fully onto the solder pad and the component lead.

Do you have the center conductor of the coax header which plugs into the 
base K2 correct?  The shield is closer to the K2 side panel than the 
center conductor.
Check the insertion of the crimp pins of the J1 header to make sure they 
are correct.  Looking into the rectangular holes in the header, you 
should see the locking tabs latched behind the plastic, and you should 
be able to wiggle the crimp pins slightly by pushing/pulling on the coax 
wires.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 5:10 PM, Catherine James wrote:
> I have largely completed building my KPA100, and reached the point in testing where the speaker works if connected to the base K2 with the signal coming in through the BNC antenna port.
>
> However, I have been unable to hear anything when the antenna is connected to the KPA100's SO239 antenna port.  On 40m, I had a strong signal coming in on a different receiver, but switching the same antenna to the K2/100 produced silence.  (Because of lack of signals on other bands lately, I cannot do a good receive test on other bands.  The K2 receiver is too quiet to use normal band noise for a good test!  I may have to create my own QRP signal from a different transmitter into a dummy load to have a signal to listen for.)
>
> I have traced DC continuity from the RF Aux pin on the KPA100 board to TP2 and TP3. I have also traced DC continuity from the center pin of the SO239 to T4-6, T4-5, and C1.  I also appear to have DC continuity between L4, L5, and L6.
>
> Are K5 and K6 latching relays?  Should I have DC continuity from RF Aux RFIN all the way to J2, going through the low-pass filter of the band most recently selected?  Or do K5 and K6 open on all bands when power is off?
>
> What should I check next?
>
> 73,
> Cathy
> N5WVR
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jan  2 17:46:01 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 14:46:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Win 10
In-Reply-To: <1451769161313-7612194.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451767282044-7612189.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56883A06.60407@embarqmail.com>
	<1451769161313-7612194.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <56885329.806@foothill.net>

I was running Win 7, and was having periodic occurrences of the Blue 
Screen of Death.  I finally took MS up on its offer of Win10 for free. 
It seems to work fine.  A small learning curve, and there is less 
contrast in the windows so finding things is a little harder, but no 
Blue Screens so far.  Incidentally, I'm on Ver 1511 Build 10586.36 with 
ATT Uverse and I have no problems with the Elecraft site.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/2/2016 1:12 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> No, I am  running Win7 and I have made zero changes to my setup in the last
> 6 months. I am not touching Win10 for at least 2 more years when the folks
> have caught up with their drivers, maybe.
>
> Knut - AB2TC


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 18:38:14 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 18:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/KX3] Memory Editor
In-Reply-To: <CAA0D6AF-EDD1-4D52-B185-7DCCE08FB853@gmail.com>
References: <CAA0D6AF-EDD1-4D52-B185-7DCCE08FB853@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56885F66.9060106@embarqmail.com>

An error in the post below - Dick's call is K6KR, Wayne Burdick's call 
is N6KR.  Sorry that I got the two confused.

73,
Don W3FPR
----------------------------------------------
Joel,

It may not be your computer at all.  The current production K3 Memory 
Editor has a problem with Paste.
Dick N6KR posted a link to a beta version which fixes it on 12/26/2015. 
  Unfortunately, it has not been moved to production (likely due to the 
holidays).

In the meantime, the fixed version is available at
ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/tmp/FrequencyMemoryEditor/beta

73,
Don W3FPR


From cowchip at ca.rr.com  Sat Jan  2 19:09:35 2016
From: cowchip at ca.rr.com (NK6A-Don Minkoff)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:09:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Not able to transmit in AFSK A mode
Message-ID: <568866BF.5050603@ca.rr.com>

I have always used AFSK data mode with MMTTY for all my RTTY contests 
and operating.  I have since upgraded to a new PC (Windows 10) and for 
some reason after re-installing all my programs, I can only get tones 
out on the K3 when I change to DATA A mode.

I know it is not my sound card and  have looked over all my settings in 
MMTTY.  Not sure where to look next.

Thanks,

-- 
Don Minkoff
NK6A
IDXC April 15-17, 2016


From lists at subich.com  Sat Jan  2 19:22:07 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 19:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Not able to transmit in AFSK A mode
In-Reply-To: <568866BF.5050603@ca.rr.com>
References: <568866BF.5050603@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <568869AF.10800@subich.com>


Is your mark tone the same in both MMTTY and the K3?  The AFSK TX
audio filter will dump any audio outside a very narrow range.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/2/2016 7:09 PM, NK6A-Don Minkoff wrote:
> I have always used AFSK data mode with MMTTY for all my RTTY contests
> and operating.  I have since upgraded to a new PC (Windows 10) and for
> some reason after re-installing all my programs, I can only get tones
> out on the K3 when I change to DATA A mode.
>
> I know it is not my sound card and  have looked over all my settings in
> MMTTY.  Not sure where to look next.
>
> Thanks,
>

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 21:02:25 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 21:02:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA100 no receive on SO239
In-Reply-To: <1451786216.5032.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1451786216.5032.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56888131.7010605@embarqmail.com>

Cathy,

Could the difference between the headphone output and the external 
speaker jack be attributed to the fact that the headphone jack has both 
channels (stereo) active while the external speaker is monaural?  In 
other words, the external speaker jack will only activate the left side 
of the headphones.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 8:56 PM, Catherine James wrote:
>


From catherine.james at att.net  Sat Jan  2 20:56:56 2016
From: catherine.james at att.net (Catherine James)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:56:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA100 no receive on SO239
In-Reply-To: <568850A3.1010205@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1451786216.5032.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I touched up? the solder contacts along the path that Don outlined, plugged in the ribbon cable and RF cable, powered on, and voila! had DC continuity. I can now hear RF signals from the antennas fed through the SO239.? Thank you!

The only issue now is that audio level is noticeably lower when headphones are plugged into the KPA100 speaker jack than when the same headphones are plugged into the audio jack on the front of the K2. All the calibration steps aren't done yet, so maybe this will be an easy tweak.

73,
Cathy
N5WVR

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From catherine.james at att.net  Sat Jan  2 21:08:32 2016
From: catherine.james at att.net (Catherine James)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 18:08:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA100 no receive on SO239
In-Reply-To: <56888131.7010605@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1451786912.42588.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Possible, but the audio level of the KPA100 speaker was also so low that I had to turn the audio up to full and put my ear next to the speaker to hear anything. I think there's still an issue here, but I'll play with it more and see what develops.

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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Jan  2 22:26:09 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 19:26:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3MDKT, KIO3B, KXV3B install order?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601021343070.15130@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601021343070.15130@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <000c01d145d6$7dc53890$794fa9b0$@biz>

Hi: 

If you have the KRX3 sub receiver installed, start with removing it
according to the KXV3B installation instructions and wait to put it back
after you have done the others. If you don't have the KXV3 sub receiver it
won't make any difference when you do that update.  

Do the KXV3B at the same time as the KIO3B. You will have easy access to the
KXV3B with the KIO3 main board out so after removing the KIO3 board per the
instructions go ahead with replacing the KXV3B.

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Hisashi T Fujinaka
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 1:47 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3MDKT, KIO3B, KXV3B install order?

Hoping someone has done this already, but the KVIO3B is still pretty new.

I'm about to start reading the inserts, but wondering if anyone has any
suggestions as to installation order into my K3.

(Yeah, I know it was more expensive to do this way, but it's my hobby.
I'm not doing it to maximize the money I have, I'm doing it to maximize the
fun I have fiddling with my radio when the bands don't appear to be
cooperating.) :)

--
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BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Jan  2 22:34:07 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 19:34:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3MDKT, KIO3B, KXV3B install order?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601021343070.15130@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601021343070.15130@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <000d01d145d7$9a7466e0$cf5d34a0$@biz>

Perhaps I should have made it clear that if you have the sub receiver
installed to replace the sub receiver module *after* installing both the
KXV3B and KIO3B upgrades. 

73, Ron AC7AC



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Hisashi T Fujinaka
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 1:47 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3MDKT, KIO3B, KXV3B install order?

Hoping someone has done this already, but the KVIO3B is still pretty new.

I'm about to start reading the inserts, but wondering if anyone has any
suggestions as to installation order into my K3.

(Yeah, I know it was more expensive to do this way, but it's my hobby.
I'm not doing it to maximize the money I have, I'm doing it to maximize the
fun I have fiddling with my radio when the bands don't appear to be
cooperating.) :)

--
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  2 22:39:10 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 22:39:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA100 no receive on SO239
In-Reply-To: <1451786912.42588.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Cathy,

There should not be that much of a difference.  The speaker should fill 
a normal room with the AF gain at about 10 o'clock.
Check the polarity of the speaker wires.  If you interchanged the two 
speaker leads, the speaker audio will be shorted out.
Pull the speaker housing out of the P5 header and measure the resistance 
to the KPA100 ground of the cable.  You should measure zero ohms on the 
side that is furthest away from the K2 side panel. The lead that will be 
closest to the right side panel should measure the resistance of the 
speaker voice coil, which should be 3 to 4 ohms.
In other words, if you swapped the silver and copper wires anywhere 
along the paths, you would produce the results that you are hearing.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2016 9:08 PM, Catherine James wrote:
>
> Possible, but the audio level of the KPA100 speaker was also so low 
> that I had to turn the audio up to full and put my ear next to the 
> speaker to hear anything. I think there's still an issue here, but 
> I'll play with it more and see what develops.
>
>
>


From idarack at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 22:44:55 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 22:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Fan Settings
In-Reply-To: <56884BA4.4040506@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24XuY9tVFErvNRdAS66vz9aDfKjuiFsb__Y0_=tYs7zcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56884BA4.4040506@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGC7P248KpkC9wvinVdTD_mtOK8_be3-EbG3k6F822_KXdLa+A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I will reset the PA Temp to a lower setting. I am finding that once
the PA temp gets to 27C, it shuts the 100w amp off and I only get 10W out
of the radio until it cools down. Even at 70W output in RTTY, I should be
able to keep the temp down with the fans? I am wondering if I have
something set wrong?

Irwin KD3TB

On Saturday, January 2, 2016, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Irwin,
>
> Yes, I think that PA Temp setting *may* be too high, but it 'all depends'.
> The PA Temp indication will follow the actual temperature of the heatsink,
> so if your K3 has been on for a while, that 27 degC may be normal.
> Follow the instructions in the manual to set the temperature.
> First turn off the K3 and leave it off until the heatsink acclimates to
> room temperature (at least 15 minutes, I recommend 30 minutes).
> Then turn it on and go to the PA TEMP menu - set it to the room
> temperature in degC.  For a 73 degF room, that would be 23 degC.
>
> If I recall, the fan will not turn on until the PA Temp reaches 40 degC.
>
> If you want the fan to come on sooner, set the PA Temp to a higher value.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/2/2016 4:55 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
>
>> How do I set the radio to turn on the fans when then 100 w amp temp gets
>> to
>> a specific temperature.  I am playing around with the RTTY contest -
>> running 70 watts output into a tuned antenna.
>>
>> With KPA3 set to NOR, the fans do not seem to turn on, even when the 100W
>> amp gets to high. I know the fans are working because when I set KPA3 to
>> FN
>> 1 to 4, then fans run continuously at the appropriate speed.
>>
>> PA temp is set to 27C.  Should this be lower?
>>
>>
>>
>

-- 
Irwin KD3TB

From n1rm at arrl.net  Sun Jan  3 04:43:37 2016
From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 02:43:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
Message-ID: <1451814217800-7612221.post@n2.nabble.com>

I just got off a fairly long chat with Fios service.  They have entered a
trouble ticket on their network back-end and should have action in 24-48
hours.  I was impressed with their willingness to take the responsibility
for the issue after a brief exchange of information.  Not what I'm used to
with most customer service organizations.

I can't explain Steve's ability to have it work on Win 7 and not Win 10.  I
could not get it to work on any browser on any OS (Windows, Mac OS, iOS,
Linux - even on my Raspberry Pi) as long as I was going through my Fios
network.  Everything worked fine when I fired up my mobile hotspot (on
Verizon's LTE network).  One other bit of data - I was able to get to
ftp://elecraft.com with no problem on Fios, so it was clearly an http
problem.

I will apologize to those that were complaining about this thread when those
who have posted about VAT, European shipping expenses, antistatic mats,
screwdrivers, etc, etc, apologize to me.  Seriously - this topic affected
many Elecraft customers and I would not have had a clue about the location
of the problem were it not for those who posted it here!

Thanks!
Rick
N1RM



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From dl2rum at t-online.de  Sun Jan  3 05:07:38 2016
From: dl2rum at t-online.de (Thomas Lindner)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:07:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft]  [K3/KX3] Memory Editor
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12065.1451769024.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.12065.1451769024.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <F5870998-E1F0-4F73-8AE3-F51C57524E39@t-online.de>

I made e simple memory Editor: http://dl2rum.de/rumsoft/Elecraft.html
It programmed my K3 and KX3 once and it worked fine for me. 

73 de Tom, DL2RUM

> 
> Is there a memory editor for Mac? I ask because I have been using the K3 Memory Editor on and off via Parallels for quite some time but it doesn?t seem to function the way I remember it working.
> 
> Joel - W4JBB


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Sun Jan  3 08:00:20 2016
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 14:00:20 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Fan Settings
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P248KpkC9wvinVdTD_mtOK8_be3-EbG3k6F822_KXdLa+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24XuY9tVFErvNRdAS66vz9aDfKjuiFsb__Y0_=tYs7zcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56884BA4.4040506@embarqmail.com>
	<CAGC7P248KpkC9wvinVdTD_mtOK8_be3-EbG3k6F822_KXdLa+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56891B64.9040207@xs4all.nl>

Irwin,

The PA temp calibration is, as Don already stated, in the manual.

Just wondering, do your fans actually run?

The fans can be tested  in de menu: KPA3.
If set to 'PA nor' then the fans are temp controlled.
If you turn the main dial, PA Fn1 - Fn4  will come on the display, You 
should hear the fans running.


73
Arie PA3A

Op 3-1-2016 om 4:44 schreef Irwin Darack:
> Thanks. I will reset the PA Temp to a lower setting. I am finding that once
> the PA temp gets to 27C, it shuts the 100w amp off and I only get 10W out
> of the radio until it cools down. Even at 70W output in RTTY, I should be
> able to keep the temp down with the fans? I am wondering if I have
> something set wrong?
>
> Irwin KD3TB
>
> On Saturday, January 2, 2016, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Irwin,
>>
>> Yes, I think that PA Temp setting *may* be too high, but it 'all depends'.
>> The PA Temp indication will follow the actual temperature of the heatsink,
>> so if your K3 has been on for a while, that 27 degC may be normal.
>> Follow the instructions in the manual to set the temperature.
>> First turn off the K3 and leave it off until the heatsink acclimates to
>> room temperature (at least 15 minutes, I recommend 30 minutes).
>> Then turn it on and go to the PA TEMP menu - set it to the room
>> temperature in degC.  For a 73 degF room, that would be 23 degC.
>>
>> If I recall, the fan will not turn on until the PA Temp reaches 40 degC.
>>
>> If you want the fan to come on sooner, set the PA Temp to a higher value.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/2/2016 4:55 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
>>
>>> How do I set the radio to turn on the fans when then 100 w amp temp gets
>>> to
>>> a specific temperature.  I am playing around with the RTTY contest -
>>> running 70 watts output into a tuned antenna.
>>>
>>> With KPA3 set to NOR, the fans do not seem to turn on, even when the 100W
>>> amp gets to high. I know the fans are working because when I set KPA3 to
>>> FN
>>> 1 to 4, then fans run continuously at the appropriate speed.
>>>
>>> PA temp is set to 27C.  Should this be lower?
>>>
>>>
>>>


From idarack at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 12:24:15 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 12:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Switching to 10W
Message-ID: <CAGC7P26HR71mPvhgnKmeSqmCjUeGRV5dz_RjDGasRE+ed82WYQ@mail.gmail.com>

In the RTTY contest, my K3 is turning off the 100W amp.

I set the FP Temp to 19C and the PA to Nor. I set the power to 60W output.
After contesting for a while, I would get a ERR=12V error and the rig would
shut off the 100W amp. The Circuit Breaker does not open.  I switched out
Power Cords to make sure one did not develop a short? The K3 Fans would
occasionally turn on so I know the fans are working.

My first thoughts are my Astron Switching Power Supply was starting to give
me problems. Its over 10 years old and maybe it can not keep up.

To test that, I will need to wait until I can replace with another Power
Supply.

Any other suggestions on what to look for?

Thanks,
Irwin KD3TB

From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sun Jan  3 12:30:42 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:30:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <1451814217800-7612221.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451814217800-7612221.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1451842242856-7612225.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

Excellent work, Rick and well said about the relevance of this thread.

I can also reach the FTP site. Another tidbit of information that might help
them: A guy in southern California sent me an E-mail reporting he has the
same problem and several of his buddies in the area likewise. So it's not
just an east coast thing.

Knut - AB2TC


Rick Miller - N1RM wrote
> I just got off a fairly long chat with Fios service.  They have entered a
> trouble ticket on their network back-end and should have action in 24-48
> hours.  I was impressed with their willingness to take the responsibility
> for the issue after a brief exchange of information.  Not what I'm used to
> with most customer service organizations.
> 
> I can't explain Steve's ability to have it work on Win 7 and not Win 10. 
> I could not get it to work on any browser on any OS (Windows, Mac OS, iOS,
> Linux - even on my Raspberry Pi) as long as I was going through my Fios
> network.  Everything worked fine when I fired up my mobile hotspot (on
> Verizon's LTE network).  One other bit of data - I was able to get to
> ftp://elecraft.com with no problem on Fios, so it was clearly an http
> problem.
> 
> I will apologize to those that were complaining about this thread when
> those who have posted about VAT, European shipping expenses, antistatic
> mats, screwdrivers, etc, etc, apologize to me.  Seriously - this topic
> affected many Elecraft customers and I would not have had a clue about the
> location of the problem were it not for those who posted it here!
> 
> Thanks!
> Rick
> N1RM





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From htodd at twofifty.com  Sun Jan  3 13:01:08 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:01:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B audio into the K3?
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601030954150.15130@chris.i8u.org>

Setting up wsjt-x on the Mac is not as straightforward as the
instructions say.* In any case, I think I have it decoding now but now I
have to figure out how to get audio from my Mac to the K3.

Am I right in thinking that the audio TO the K3 should go through USB as
well?

Any other tricks I should know about?

*The instructions say move the app ANYWHERE but the kvasd installer only
works if you put the application into /Applications and not in a "Ham
Radio" Folder. It's probably the space in the filename, now that I
think of it.

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Sun Jan  3 13:13:22 2016
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 13:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
Message-ID: <AABMJU3KBANJYMBS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>

I believe it is a Verizon issue as my DSL is out so I am not FIOS

Bob K3DJC



On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:30:42 -0700 (MST) ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Excellent work, Rick and well said about the relevance of this 
> thread.
> 
> I can also reach the FTP site. Another tidbit of information that 
> might help
> them: A guy in southern California sent me an E-mail reporting he 
> has the
> same problem and several of his buddies in the area likewise. So 
> it's not
> just an east coast thing.
> 
> Knut - AB2TC


From catherine.james at att.net  Sun Jan  3 13:40:32 2016
From: catherine.james at att.net (Catherine James)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:40:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
Message-ID: <1451846432.25968.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am attempting the C1 adjustment to get correct SWR. Unfortunately, with a dummy load on the SO239 port and the power knob set to 5w, pressing TUNE just gives a beep followed by 0.1 1.0-1. Adjusting C1 has no effect at all. The receive audio does cut out while tune mode is on, then reappears when off.

I get the same behavior whether 8r is set to norm or hold.

I'm guessing there a break in the transmit RF path somewhere.? *sigh*

Cathy
N5WVR

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan  3 13:49:46 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 13:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Switching to 10W
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P26HR71mPvhgnKmeSqmCjUeGRV5dz_RjDGasRE+ed82WYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P26HR71mPvhgnKmeSqmCjUeGRV5dz_RjDGasRE+ed82WYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56896D4A.9040207@embarqmail.com>

Irwin,

OK, the power supply is one possibility, but the ERR+12V is more telling.
Is your K3 an older one?  If so the pins which supply the 12V power to 
the KPA3 may have been tin-plated.  Those were changed to gold pins in 
later K3s.
The symptom is the ERR=12V message and KPA3 turning off.

That would explain your "fan" problem - the KPA3 would turn off before 
it heated enough to cause the fans to turn on.

Contact Elecraft parts or K3support and ask that the gold pins for the 
KPA3 be sent to you.
You may want to download the document at 
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KPA3%20Power%20Connector%20Replacement.pdf for 
review.
The parts kit that you need is KPA3CONMDKT.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/3/2016 12:24 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> In the RTTY contest, my K3 is turning off the 100W amp.
>
> I set the FP Temp to 19C and the PA to Nor. I set the power to 60W output.
> After contesting for a while, I would get a ERR=12V error and the rig would
> shut off the 100W amp. The Circuit Breaker does not open.  I switched out
> Power Cords to make sure one did not develop a short? The K3 Fans would
> occasionally turn on so I know the fans are working.
>
> My first thoughts are my Astron Switching Power Supply was starting to give
> me problems. Its over 10 years old and maybe it can not keep up.
>
> To test that, I will need to wait until I can replace with another Power
> Supply.
>
> Any other suggestions on what to look for?
>
> Thanks,
> Irwin KD3TB
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Jan  3 14:01:47 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 11:01:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Who has the Genovation keypad working?
Message-ID: <1451847707.4294.20.camel@nostromo>

Hi,

I would like to ask a few questions to someone that has the Genovation
pad working on the K3 please...  

If you would shoot me a note off list to "dave @ nk7z.net", with a phone
number in it, I would like to call for a short discussion about the
method of getting it to actually trigger the P3.  

I have macros programmed into the P3, I have the normal USB keyboard
working into the P3, and it fires macros, but the Genovation keypad
seems to simply not be seen, or more likely I am missing something...  

I "believe", I am mapping keys correctly, but I see the P3 makes no
distinction between an Upper Case A, and a lower case a...  I suspect I
am viewing things in error at that level, and maybe it is just mapping
key codes...  If that is the case, then I need to see how the Genovation
sends info out...  Anyway, I should not take much of your time, and I
would greatly appreciate about a 10 minute talk with someone who has it
running.  I am sure this is an understanding issue on my part, and I
just need a bit of guidance...

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

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http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jan  3 14:06:32 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:06:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
In-Reply-To: <1451846432.25968.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1451846432.25968.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101d14659$dc41d2b0$94c57810$@biz>

Did you dislodge the connector on the coax between the KPA100 and the K2
main board? If in place, is it oriented correctly? While keyed, it can be
reversed by a clever person, Hi! 

You can see that connector by simply removing the K2 side panel. Usually
take if off when replacing the KPA100 just so I can see the cables and
connectors clearly. It's easier to plug the power and RF cables in AFTER
putting the KPA100 on than trying to do it holding the KPA100 up enough to
see in from the top. 

73 Ron AC7AC 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Catherine James
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:41 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Don Wilhelm
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test

I am attempting the C1 adjustment to get correct SWR. Unfortunately, with a
dummy load on the SO239 port and the power knob set to 5w, pressing TUNE
just gives a beep followed by 0.1 1.0-1. Adjusting C1 has no effect at all.
The receive audio does cut out while tune mode is on, then reappears when
off.

I get the same behavior whether 8r is set to norm or hold.

I'm guessing there a break in the transmit RF path somewhere.? *sigh*

Cathy
N5WVR

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From catherine.james at att.net  Sun Jan  3 14:18:39 2016
From: catherine.james at att.net (Catherine James)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:18:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
In-Reply-To: <002101d14659$dc41d2b0$94c57810$@biz>
Message-ID: <1451848719.85237.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Wouldn't that (failure in coax confection to K2) prevent the receive from working? I have good reception, but no TX.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jan  3 14:19:21 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:19:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net
Message-ID: <56897439.8010805@coho.net>

Good Afternoon,
     Since my antenna is in much worse shape due to storm damage I am 
torn between running the net at low power or not at all.  With the 
weather forecast to warm up in a few days I should be able to dig the 
guy-lines out of the six inches of ice they are frozen within currently.
     However, it would be good practice for me to get on the air and 
attempt a few contacts.  Hopefully by next week my unintentional 
Inverted W configuration will return to its more normal Inverted V 
orientation.
     If I can get it working for today try:

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
or
7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

    73,
         Kevin.  KD5ONS

From wp4cw at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 14:31:12 2016
From: wp4cw at aol.com (Wp4cw)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 12:31:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted (K1).  kTS1 bracket.
Message-ID: <1451849472366-7612233.post@n2.nabble.com>

Looking for KTS1 bracket. Ted. Contact me off line.    Wp4cw at aol dot com



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From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun Jan  3 15:59:53 2016
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 14:59:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45qGGBc-_w1hG7HteShLcYefJ2ZbrMmDv3QLc+VmZ_EGKw@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like Verizon has a transparent proxy in the middle, and something is
goofing up there. Lots of ISPs do this kind of thing for content
filtering/caching/etc, unfortunately, and if that proxy doesn't serve the
page properly, it'll look like an issue with the site itself. Hopefully
they'll resolve it for you all. If someone with the issue has access to
linux/curl, try:

curl -v http://elecraft.com

You'll see where things 'stall' in the HTTP session.

David

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:04 PM, todd ruby <todd at ruby-wine.com> wrote:

> From what I can determine, some areas in the US can not get the HTML of
> the site to open using Fios, regardless of the browser. I just sent 10
> successful pings with an average time of 77 ms. The trace route did not
> time out and got to elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com/> in 77 ms. I spoke
> to a 4th level tech who along with 2 of her colleagues raised the site with
> no problems. They were not here in MD though. I also have heard a user in
> Plano, TX with the same issue.
>
> Since it?s the weekend, let?s see if they can get to the bottom of it by
> next week.
>
> 73
>
> todd
>
> WB2ZAB
>
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sun Jan  3 16:40:36 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 14:40:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45qGGBc-_w1hG7HteShLcYefJ2ZbrMmDv3QLc+VmZ_EGKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<CAGxZ45qGGBc-_w1hG7HteShLcYefJ2ZbrMmDv3QLc+VmZ_EGKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1451857236244-7612235.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

I am on 7 and I did succeed in finding "curl" and installing it. Here is the
output from running your suggested command line in a command prompt:

C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>curl -v
htt
p://elecraft.com
* Rebuilt URL to: http://elecraft.com/
*   Trying 63.249.121.93...
* Connected to elecraft.com (63.249.121.93) port 80 (#0)
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> Host: elecraft.com
> User-Agent: curl/7.46.0
> Accept: */*
>
< HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
< Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:33:57 GMT
< Server: Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS)
< Location: http://www.elecraft.com/
< Content-Length: 309
< Connection: close
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
<
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN&quot;>
<html><head>
<title>301 Moved Permanently</title>
</head><body>
Moved Permanently

<p>The document has moved  here <http://www.elecraft.com/>  .</p>
<hr>
<address>Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at elecraft.com Port 80</address>
</body></html>
* Closing connection 0

C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>


It seems to confirm the notion that it connects to elecraft.com but fails to
open the http connection. Maybe some network guru can make sense of the
messages above.

AB2TC - Knut


David Orman wrote
> Sounds like Verizon has a transparent proxy in the middle, and something
> is
> goofing up there. Lots of ISPs do this kind of thing for content
> filtering/caching/etc, unfortunately, and if that proxy doesn't serve the
> page properly, it'll look like an issue with the site itself. Hopefully
> they'll resolve it for you all. If someone with the issue has access to
> linux/curl, try:
> 
> curl -v http://elecraft.com
> 
> You'll see where things 'stall' in the HTTP session.
> 
> David
> 
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:04 PM, todd ruby &lt;

> todd@

> &gt; wrote:
> <snip>





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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jan  3 16:57:01 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 13:57:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
In-Reply-To: <1451848719.85237.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <002101d14659$dc41d2b0$94c57810$@biz>
	<1451848719.85237.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d14671$ad3fe6b0$07bfb410$@biz>

Good point. I would think so.

 

73, Ron AC7AC

 

From: Catherine James [mailto:catherine.james at att.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 11:19 AM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: RE: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune
test

 


Wouldn't that (failure in coax confection to K2) prevent the receive from
working? I have good reception, but no TX.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
<https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> 


From:"Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz>
Date:Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 2:06 PM
Subject:RE: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test

Did you dislodge the connector on the coax between the KPA100 and the K2
main board? If in place, is it oriented correctly? While keyed, it can be
reversed by a clever person, Hi! 

You can see that connector by simply removing the K2 side panel. Usually
take if off when replacing the KPA100 just so I can see the cables and
connectors clearly. It's easier to plug the power and RF cables in AFTER
putting the KPA100 on than trying to do it holding the KPA100 up enough to
see in from the top. 

73 Ron AC7AC 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <javascript:return>
] On Behalf Of
Catherine James
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:41 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <javascript:return> ; Don Wilhelm
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test

I am attempting the C1 adjustment to get correct SWR. Unfortunately, with a
dummy load on the SO239 port and the power knob set to 5w, pressing TUNE
just gives a beep followed by 0.1 1.0-1. Adjusting C1 has no effect at all.
The receive audio does cut out while tune mode is on, then reappears when
off.

I get the same behavior whether 8r is set to norm or hold.

I'm guessing there a break in the transmit RF path somewhere.  *sigh*

Cathy
N5WVR

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From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun Jan  3 17:07:16 2016
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 16:07:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <1451857236244-7612235.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<CAGxZ45qGGBc-_w1hG7HteShLcYefJ2ZbrMmDv3QLc+VmZ_EGKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451857236244-7612235.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45ooeK5h8R5r8LwzymMu_dq3YwgifynOKbhvaaVP66X96g@mail.gmail.com>

Try curl -vL http://www.elecraft.com

It's doing a redirect you need to follow, this should help.

David

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:40 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am on 7 and I did succeed in finding "curl" and installing it. Here is
> the
> output from running your suggested command line in a command prompt:
>
> C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>curl
> -v
> htt
> p://elecraft.com
> * Rebuilt URL to: http://elecraft.com/
> *   Trying 63.249.121.93...
> * Connected to elecraft.com (63.249.121.93) port 80 (#0)
> > GET / HTTP/1.1
> > Host: elecraft.com
> > User-Agent: curl/7.46.0
> > Accept: */*
> >
> < HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
> < Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:33:57 GMT
> < Server: Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS)
> < Location: http://www.elecraft.com/
> < Content-Length: 309
> < Connection: close
> < Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
> <
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN&quot;>
> <html><head>
> <title>301 Moved Permanently</title>
> </head><body>
> Moved Permanently
>
> <p>The document has moved  here <http://www.elecraft.com/>  .</p>
> <hr>
> <address>Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at elecraft.com Port 80</address>
> </body></html>
> * Closing connection 0
>
> C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>
>
>
> It seems to confirm the notion that it connects to elecraft.com but fails
> to
> open the http connection. Maybe some network guru can make sense of the
> messages above.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> David Orman wrote
> > Sounds like Verizon has a transparent proxy in the middle, and something
> > is
> > goofing up there. Lots of ISPs do this kind of thing for content
> > filtering/caching/etc, unfortunately, and if that proxy doesn't serve the
> > page properly, it'll look like an issue with the site itself. Hopefully
> > they'll resolve it for you all. If someone with the issue has access to
> > linux/curl, try:
> >
> > curl -v http://elecraft.com
> >
> > You'll see where things 'stall' in the HTTP session.
> >
> > David
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:04 PM, todd ruby &lt;
>
> > todd@
>
> > &gt; wrote:
> > <snip>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
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From n5zm at suddenlink.net  Sun Jan  3 17:38:56 2016
From: n5zm at suddenlink.net (Earl)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 16:38:56 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Delivery WOW
Message-ID: <5689A300.90206@suddenlink.net>

Wow, I had a big surprise this morning. I ordered 2 SP3's Wednesday PM 12/30. 
(On-line)

Here's the shipping details.

Pickup:  Watsonville, CA @ 3:01pm 12/31/2015

Delivered: White Hall, AR @ 10:13am 1/3/2016

That's it, USPS Priority Mail and SUNDAY delivery. (It was a holiday weekend)

Sure wasn't expecting it today. :-))

73, Earl N5ZM..



From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun Jan  3 17:46:32 2016
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 16:46:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <5689A1EA.40408@arrl.net>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<CAGxZ45qGGBc-_w1hG7HteShLcYefJ2ZbrMmDv3QLc+VmZ_EGKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451857236244-7612235.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<5689A1EA.40408@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45r4tNHZ3nnueOs+dMMhHGCY5K6RSpbhwZH_Kp8BvhZ5fA@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like a proxy in the middle is dropping your connection without
sending data, the recv() call failed. Since you got the 301 redirect
correctly, that indicates the Elecraft http server is able to at least
return headers, you're just having issues with the content body, which is
normally where a transparent proxy comes into play (they tend to just
forward headers). Very likely, the proxy is having difficulties getting a
response from the Elecraft server/having an issue forwarding the response
along, so you never receive the response body. This could be an internal
networking issue within Verizon, a networking issue between Verizon and
Elecraft, a mis-configuration/problem on/with the proxy, or something on
the Elecraft server side that's preventing the connection.

All of the above are unfortunately in the hands of the Verizon engineers
(or potentially the company Elecraft uses for hosting if they are blocking
the requests, but seeing as headers are being passed, more than likely it's
on the proxy side). Of course, this assumes there is a transparent proxy in
the middle, it's hard to know for sure, but seems the likely cause.

David

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:34 PM, AB2TC - Knut Spang <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I did that and here is what I got:
>
> C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>curl
> -vL http://www.elecraft.com
> * Rebuilt URL to: http://www.elecraft.com/
> *   Trying 63.249.121.93...
> * Connected to www.elecraft.com (63.249.121.93) port 80 (#0)
> > GET / HTTP/1.1
> > Host: www.elecraft.com
> > User-Agent: curl/7.46.0
> > Accept: */*
> >
> * Recv failure: Connection was reset
> * Closing connection 0
> curl: (56) Recv failure: Connection was reset
>
>
> There was a very long delay (minutes) between the "Accept" message and the
> "Recv failure" message.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
>
> C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>
>
>
> On 1/3/2016 5:07 PM, David Orman wrote:
>
> Try curl -vL http://www.elecraft.com
>
> It's doing a redirect you need to follow, this should help.
>
> David
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:40 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am on 7 and I did succeed in finding "curl" and installing it. Here is
>> the
>> output from running your suggested command line in a command prompt:
>>
>> C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>curl
>> -v
>> htt
>> p://elecraft.com
>> * Rebuilt URL to: http://elecraft.com/
>> *   Trying 63.249.121.93...
>> * Connected to elecraft.com (63.249.121.93) port 80 (#0)
>> > GET / HTTP/1.1
>> > Host: elecraft.com
>> > User-Agent: curl/7.46.0
>> > Accept: */*
>> >
>> < HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
>> < Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:33:57 GMT
>> < Server: Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS)
>> < Location: http://www.elecraft.com/
>> < Content-Length: 309
>> < Connection: close
>> < Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
>> <
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN&quot;>
>> <html><head>
>> <title>301 Moved Permanently</title>
>> </head><body>
>> Moved Permanently
>>
>> <p>The document has moved  here < <http://www.elecraft.com/>
>> http://www.elecraft.com/>  .</p>
>> <hr>
>> <address>Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at elecraft.com Port 80</address>
>> </body></html>
>> * Closing connection 0
>>
>> C:\Users\AB2TC\Desktop\Installs\curl\curl_7_46_0_openssl_nghttp2_x64>
>>
>>
>> It seems to confirm the notion that it connects to elecraft.com but
>> fails to
>> open the http connection. Maybe some network guru can make sense of the
>> messages above.
>>
>> AB2TC - Knut
>>
>>
>> David Orman wrote
>> > Sounds like Verizon has a transparent proxy in the middle, and something
>> > is
>> > goofing up there. Lots of ISPs do this kind of thing for content
>> > filtering/caching/etc, unfortunately, and if that proxy doesn't serve
>> the
>> > page properly, it'll look like an issue with the site itself. Hopefully
>> > they'll resolve it for you all. If someone with the issue has access to
>> > linux/curl, try:
>> >
>> > curl -v http://elecraft.com
>> >
>> > You'll see where things 'stall' in the HTTP session.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:04 PM, todd ruby &lt;
>>
>> > todd@
>>
>> > &gt; wrote:
>> > <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-website-and-Fios-tp7612185p7612235.html
>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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>
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From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 18:21:14 2016
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 16:21:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
In-Reply-To: <000b01d14671$ad3fe6b0$07bfb410$@biz>
References: <002101d14659$dc41d2b0$94c57810$@biz>,
	<1451848719.85237.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<000b01d14671$ad3fe6b0$07bfb410$@biz>
Message-ID: <COL131-W88A8FCEF8914B5A1DE832FD0F10@phx.gbl>

HI Cathy,  Let's slip back to basics for just a sec, can you get QRP levels from the K2 by itself? with the coax/dummy load connected to the back of the qrp K2? With the power connected to the qrp K2 also, does the qrp power appear as expected on the SO239 of the KPA100?One if these fail, that would provide a direction to look.Keep in touch.. these should be fun, not frustration.. 

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


> From: ron at cobi.biz
> To: catherine.james at att.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 13:57:01 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
> 
> Good point. I would think so.
> 
>  
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
>  
> 
> From: Catherine James [mailto:catherine.james at att.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 11:19 AM
> To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: RE: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune
> test
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Wouldn't that (failure in coax confection to K2) prevent the receive from
> working? I have good reception, but no TX.
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> 
> 
> 
> From:"Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz>
> Date:Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 2:06 PM
> Subject:RE: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
> 
> Did you dislodge the connector on the coax between the KPA100 and the K2
> main board? If in place, is it oriented correctly? While keyed, it can be
> reversed by a clever person, Hi! 
> 
> You can see that connector by simply removing the K2 side panel. Usually
> take if off when replacing the KPA100 just so I can see the cables and
> connectors clearly. It's easier to plug the power and RF cables in AFTER
> putting the KPA100 on than trying to do it holding the KPA100 up enough to
> see in from the top. 
> 
> 73 Ron AC7AC 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <javascript:return>
> ] On Behalf Of
> Catherine James
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:41 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <javascript:return> ; Don Wilhelm
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 has 0.1 w indicated, SWR 1.0 during tune test
> 
> I am attempting the C1 adjustment to get correct SWR. Unfortunately, with a
> dummy load on the SO239 port and the power knob set to 5w, pressing TUNE
> just gives a beep followed by 0.1 1.0-1. Adjusting C1 has no effect at all.
> The receive audio does cut out while tune mode is on, then reappears when
> off.
> 
> I get the same behavior whether 8r is set to norm or hold.
> 
> I'm guessing there a break in the transmit RF path somewhere.  *sigh*
> 
> Cathy
> N5WVR
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> 
> 
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From brians at fl240.com  Sun Jan  3 18:52:02 2016
From: brians at fl240.com (Brian Sheets)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:52:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: k3/0 or k3 mini
Message-ID: <161AC733-63B4-417E-AE2D-1BAAEC204593@fl240.com>

Found one, thanks.






On 1/1/16, 2:09 PM, "Brian Sheets" <brians at fl240.com> wrote:

>Does anyone have one they want to part with?
>
>Brian
>KA7KDX
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Sun Jan  3 20:24:13 2016
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 20:24:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Switching to 10W
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P26HR71mPvhgnKmeSqmCjUeGRV5dz_RjDGasRE+ed82WYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P26HR71mPvhgnKmeSqmCjUeGRV5dz_RjDGasRE+ed82WYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5689C9BD.13289.9F55CD7@Gary.ka1j.com>

Don probably gave you the correct answer, he has consistently good 
advice. 

You might though want to also check your Astron, if it is one of the 
ones with adjustable current & voltage, Mine is the VS-35M. The 
adjustment knobs are easy to bump and unexpectedly change the voltage 
or current output. I've bumped mine before and caused my K3 to shut 
down unexpectedly yet the K3 was lit up just fine. 

I now have a piece of tape on the knobs so it won't happen again.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> In the RTTY contest, my K3 is turning off the 100W amp.
> 
> I set the FP Temp to 19C and the PA to Nor. I set the power to 60W output.
> After contesting for a while, I would get a ERR=12V error and the rig would
> shut off the 100W amp. The Circuit Breaker does not open.  I switched out
> Power Cords to make sure one did not develop a short? The K3 Fans would
> occasionally turn on so I know the fans are working.
> 
> My first thoughts are my Astron Switching Power Supply was starting to give
> me problems. Its over 10 years old and maybe it can not keep up.
> 
> To test that, I will need to wait until I can replace with another Power
> Supply.
> 
> Any other suggestions on what to look for?
> 
> Thanks,
> Irwin KD3TB


From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 20:31:29 2016
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 18:31:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a beautiful hand made key with you.
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> On Jan 3, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Larry W0LRF [via Elecraft] <ml-node+s365791n7612242h83 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
> 
> Great looking key, 
> Where can a guy get one of these? 
> Larry
> K3s 10531 
> P3
> 
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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 21:41:16 2016
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:41:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a beautiful hand made key with you.
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?Larry
Here is John's web site.
http://johnwellingsmorsekeys.weebly.com/my-classic-morse-key.html

He makes a classic key like the Kent key, but nicer. He also makes a
Ericsson Swiss pump key " I want one of those too." and then I have the
first of the Marconi PS213 key he made.
His email is jwellings at blueyonder.co.uk  Tell him you saw mine and got his
info from me.
They are very nice hand made keys and very reasonable in price.
On his web site you can watch him make the keys. interesting videos.
73 Gerald KC6CNN


On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Gerald Manthey <kc6cnn at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Larry W0LRF [via Elecraft] <
> ml-node+s365791n7612242h83 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
>
> Great looking key,
> Where can a guy get one of these?
> Larry
> K3s 10531
> P3
>
>
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From mike at ki8r.com  Sun Jan  3 22:42:41 2016
From: mike at ki8r.com (Mike Murphy)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a beautiful hand made key with you.
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Wow!  That would (almost) make me want to use a straight key again. 

Very nice!

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> On Jan 3, 2016, at 9:41 PM, KC6CNN <kc6cnn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Larry
> Here is John's web site.
> http://johnwellingsmorsekeys.weebly.com/my-classic-morse-key.html
> 
> He makes a classic key like the Kent key, but nicer. He also makes a
> Ericsson Swiss pump key " I want one of those too." and then I have the
> first of the Marconi PS213 key he made.
> His email is jwellings at blueyonder.co.uk  Tell him you saw mine and got his
> info from me.
> They are very nice hand made keys and very reasonable in price.
> On his web site you can watch him make the keys. interesting videos.
> 73 Gerald KC6CNN
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Gerald Manthey <kc6cnn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Larry W0LRF [via Elecraft] <
>> ml-node+s365791n7612242h83 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Great looking key,
>> Where can a guy get one of these?
>> Larry
>> K3s 10531
>> P3
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jan  3 23:09:45 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:09:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a beautiful hand made key with you.
In-Reply-To: <17AD7E9A-92D7-4BF9-AFC8-CCC5A68F5250@ki8r.com>
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It's beautiful, and I suspect sends CW almost as well as my old WWII J-38, Hi! 

73, Ron AC7AC


From drpro at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 23:37:44 2016
From: drpro at comcast.net (drpro)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:37:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FS Buddipole Deluxe long
Message-ID: <000601d146a9$a7afaae0$f70f00a0$@net>

New Buddipole Deluxe Long version 
along with the addition of the 
Triple Ratio Balun Switch. 
Bought and never used. Has been 
sitting in a closet, thus the 
outside of the bag is dusty. 
Some of the items have been 
unwrapped. Though nothing was 
ever used on the air. 
Covers 7-54 mHz, max power is 250w. New price 
for the above is $580 plus 
shipping from Buddipole.
My price is $475 which includes 
shipping and Paypal.


From htodd at twofifty.com  Mon Jan  4 01:09:38 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:09:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B audio into the K3?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601030954150.15130@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601030954150.15130@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601032158270.15130@chris.i8u.org>

Now I think it's the WSJT-X software rather than the radio because I can
get JT65 to work for a while and then it stops sending audio to the K3.
Fortunately it hasn't stopped in the middle of a QSO, but only in
between.

It could be somehow messing with the settings, but I really don't know
how I'd check to see if the USB audio is making it to the radio. Power
cycling the radio doesn't help. I suppose I could keep rebooting the
laptop but that's a bit painful as well.

Anyone have any more hints?

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:

> Setting up wsjt-x on the Mac is not as straightforward as the
> instructions say.* In any case, I think I have it decoding now but now I
> have to figure out how to get audio from my Mac to the K3.
>
> Am I right in thinking that the audio TO the K3 should go through USB as
> well?
>
> Any other tricks I should know about?
>
> *The instructions say move the app ANYWHERE but the kvasd installer only
> works if you put the application into /Applications and not in a "Ham
> Radio" Folder. It's probably the space in the filename, now that I
> think of it.

-- 
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From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:12:51 2016
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Raymond Benedict)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 100 W Amp temp sensor
Message-ID: <65AA4DD7-96A1-4784-805A-E0B7B06CCF48@gmail.com>

Out of the box last October, my radio had a defective temp sensor on the 100 watt amp. Could not set temp to reasonable value during calibration. Radio thought amp was overtemp and would shut down final.  100 w Amp was replaced by Elecraft..

oh,  as of yesterday can not reach Elecraft web site,  FIOS, using either Mac Safari or Parallels windows 10.

Ray
W8LYJ



From pincon at erols.com  Mon Jan  4 08:26:58 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:26:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a beautiful hand made key with you.
In-Reply-To: <003e01d146a5$bf88b250$3e9a16f0$@biz>
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My dad was in the jewelry business so I gold
plated my J-38.  It looked great, but as I
remember, it really didn't help my sloppy sending
very much.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 11:10 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a
beautiful hand made key with you.

It's beautiful, and I suspect sends CW almost as
well as my old WWII J-38, Hi! 

73, Ron AC7AC




From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan  4 09:12:17 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 06:12:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a beautiful hand made key with you.
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Message-ID: <1451916737.4294.37.camel@nostromo>

But it was cool anyway!!!  :)
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On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 08:26 -0500, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> My dad was in the jewelry business so I gold
> plated my J-38.  It looked great, but as I
> remember, it really didn't help my sloppy sending
> very much.
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
> Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 11:10 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wanted to share a
> beautiful hand made key with you.
> 
> It's beautiful, and I suspect sends CW almost as
> well as my old WWII J-38, Hi! 
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> 
> 
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From mike at ve3yf.com  Mon Jan  4 09:23:55 2016
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:23:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft]  P3 USB Port
Message-ID: <02ecb380-9260-4d5e-8a6b-5f9ad5f3737b@getmailbird.com>

HNY to everyone.

Though I have had my P3 for quite some time, I had a wireless Keyboard hooked up to it. I would also like to hook up a USB Stick (Thumbdrive) to the same port for saving images of the Screen (Screenshots). The manual states that a USB Hub will not work with the P3, but will a USB Y Cable work or is that also considered a USB Hub.

Perhaps someone has 2 devices hooked up to the P3 that can shed some insight. Tnx.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com
[http://www.ve3yf.com/]

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan  4 09:36:01 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 09:36:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B audio into the K3?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601032158270.15130@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601030954150.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<alpine.NEB.2.11.1601032158270.15130@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <568A8351.6080207@embarqmail.com>

Hisashi,

I suspect the computer or the software application.
Do a test - connect a USB soundcard to your computer and tell WSJT-X and 
JT65 to use that soundcard.
Connect the output of the soundcard to an amplifier or headphones and 
listen to the audio as the application "transmits".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2016 1:09 AM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
> Now I think it's the WSJT-X software rather than the radio because I can
> get JT65 to work for a while and then it stops sending audio to the K3.
> Fortunately it hasn't stopped in the middle of a QSO, but only in
> between.
>
> It could be somehow messing with the settings, but I really don't know
> how I'd check to see if the USB audio is making it to the radio. Power
> cycling the radio doesn't help. I suppose I could keep rebooting the
> laptop but that's a bit painful as well.
>
> Anyone have any more hints?
>
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>
>> Setting up wsjt-x on the Mac is not as straightforward as the
>> instructions say.* In any case, I think I have it decoding now but now I
>> have to figure out how to get audio from my Mac to the K3.
>>
>> Am I right in thinking that the audio TO the K3 should go through USB as
>> well?
>>
>> Any other tricks I should know about?
>>
>> *The instructions say move the app ANYWHERE but the kvasd installer only
>> works if you put the application into /Applications and not in a "Ham
>> Radio" Folder. It's probably the space in the filename, now that I
>> think of it.
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan  4 09:57:53 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 09:57:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 USB Port
In-Reply-To: <02ecb380-9260-4d5e-8a6b-5f9ad5f3737b@getmailbird.com>
References: <02ecb380-9260-4d5e-8a6b-5f9ad5f3737b@getmailbird.com>
Message-ID: <568A8871.1030903@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

I don't think that connector on the P3SVGA is a full USB port, it is a 
connector for a USB keyboard.

You can plug your Thumbdrive into your computer and use P3 Utility to do 
download a bitmap image of the P3 screen and save it to a file on your 
Thumbdrive (or anywhere else on your computer).  See page 21 of the P3 
manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2016 9:23 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> HNY to everyone.
>
> Though I have had my P3 for quite some time, I had a wireless Keyboard hooked up to it. I would also like to hook up a USB Stick (Thumbdrive) to the same port for saving images of the Screen (Screenshots). The manual states that a USB Hub will not work with the P3, but will a USB Y Cable work or is that also considered a USB Hub.
>
>


From w0eb at cox.net  Mon Jan  4 10:10:22 2016
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:10:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 USB Port
In-Reply-To: <1qz11s02045oxQM01qz2Vi>
Message-ID: <em9b364aae-09a9-4110-ab18-1efd15cc826b@jimsdesktop-pc>

Don's right, a hub will not work.  It is a very minimum implementation 
of a USB port and not expandable due to hardware limitations in the way 
they originally did things.  My work around was to find a multi-port, 
mechanical USB switch.  That way all you have to do is switch to 
whichever device you want attached, the Keyboard or USB Stick.  A mouse 
will not work though, at least as things stand now.

Jim - W0EB

------ Original Message ------
From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: "Mike VE3YF" <mike at ve3yf.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/4/2016 6:57:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 USB Port

>Mike,
>
>I don't think that connector on the P3SVGA is a full USB port, it is a 
>connector for a USB keyboard.
>
>You can plug your Thumbdrive into your computer and use P3 Utility to 
>do download a bitmap image of the P3 screen and save it to a file on 
>your Thumbdrive (or anywhere else on your computer).  See page 21 of 
>the P3 manual.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 1/4/2016 9:23 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
>>HNY to everyone.
>>
>>Though I have had my P3 for quite some time, I had a wireless Keyboard 
>>hooked up to it. I would also like to hook up a USB Stick (Thumbdrive) 
>>to the same port for saving images of the Screen (Screenshots). The 
>>manual states that a USB Hub will not work with the P3, but will a USB 
>>Y Cable work or is that also considered a USB Hub.
>>
>>
>
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From ka5y at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 10:22:19 2016
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:22:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB - KX1
Message-ID: <1451920939308-7612256.post@n2.nabble.com>

Looking for a KX1, only must have option is internal ATU, other options a
plus.  Email with condition and price
73 Tex
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From mail at cvkimball.com  Mon Jan  4 10:31:10 2016
From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:31:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FLDigi
Message-ID: <1451921470916-7612257.post@n2.nabble.com>

Is there any need to use an external audio card, such as SignalLink, with the
K3S?  Or does the USB cable from the rear panel go directly into my computer
running FLDigi?

Thanks,

Chris
NQ8Z



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From fred.lauricella at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 11:11:53 2016
From: fred.lauricella at gmail.com (Fred Lauricella)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:11:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
Message-ID: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>

Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the past 30
min.

It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.

73 de Fred, WY2E

From htodd at twofifty.com  Mon Jan  4 11:19:31 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:19:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B audio into the K3?
In-Reply-To: <568A8351.6080207@embarqmail.com>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601030954150.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<alpine.NEB.2.11.1601032158270.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<568A8351.6080207@embarqmail.com>
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Oh, good idea. I forgot I have a Signalink somewhere.

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Hisashi,
>
> I suspect the computer or the software application.
> Do a test - connect a USB soundcard to your computer and tell WSJT-X and JT65 
> to use that soundcard.
> Connect the output of the soundcard to an amplifier or headphones and listen 
> to the audio as the application "transmits".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/4/2016 1:09 AM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>> Now I think it's the WSJT-X software rather than the radio because I can
>> get JT65 to work for a while and then it stops sending audio to the K3.
>> Fortunately it hasn't stopped in the middle of a QSO, but only in
>> between.
>> 
>> It could be somehow messing with the settings, but I really don't know
>> how I'd check to see if the USB audio is making it to the radio. Power
>> cycling the radio doesn't help. I suppose I could keep rebooting the
>> laptop but that's a bit painful as well.
>> 
>> Anyone have any more hints?
>> 
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>> 
>>> Setting up wsjt-x on the Mac is not as straightforward as the
>>> instructions say.* In any case, I think I have it decoding now but now I
>>> have to figure out how to get audio from my Mac to the K3.
>>> 
>>> Am I right in thinking that the audio TO the K3 should go through USB as
>>> well?
>>> 
>>> Any other tricks I should know about?
>>> 
>>> *The instructions say move the app ANYWHERE but the kvasd installer only
>>> works if you put the application into /Applications and not in a "Ham
>>> Radio" Folder. It's probably the space in the filename, now that I
>>> think of it.
>> 
>

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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan  4 11:39:04 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:39:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1451925544.4294.44.camel@nostromo>

I wonder what EXACTLY was the issue?
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On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 11:11 -0500, Fred Lauricella wrote:
> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the past 30
> min.
> 
> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
> 
> 73 de Fred, WY2E
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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 11:59:21 2016
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451925544.4294.44.camel@nostromo>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451925544.4294.44.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ-X3PXoo4k_VWTX0wHgGttCUHi0B5Zku=4mFyXH_VYS3g@mail.gmail.com>

Not that it matters much, but it is still very much dead in Rhode Island.

It seems to come/go several times a day, or at least that has been my
experience with www.elecraft.com for the past few weeks.

Primary internet is Verizon FIOS.

Works fine on AT&T at the moment, but that has been up/down too.

73, Bob, WB4SON

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 12:18:17 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:18:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ-X3PXoo4k_VWTX0wHgGttCUHi0B5Zku=4mFyXH_VYS3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <emae7129d8-a27b-40f7-8f18-44b0da2084e5@laptop2>

This is interesting. The folks on the Tentec reflector have been 
complaining about accessing  the TT site using FIOS. I use Comcast and 
haven't seen a problem. It may be some changes that Verizon has 
instituted. I would see what it's like by the end of today as this 
seemed like a weekend problem.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

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From: "Bob" <WB4SON at gmail.com>
To: "Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 1/4/2016 11:59:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in 
NY

>Not that it matters much, but it is still very much dead in Rhode 
>Island.
>
>It seems to come/go several times a day, or at least that has been my
>experience with www.elecraft.com for the past few weeks.
>
>Primary internet is Verizon FIOS.
>
>Works fine on AT&T at the moment, but that has been up/down too.
>
>73, Bob, WB4SON
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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 12:39:51 2016
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:39:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK A anomaly?
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEJySiJN47yRXVmf_9hp+JOQ8pKE4eUm51uY4krm7_0VqQ@mail.gmail.com>

I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn
the operation and iron out any kinks in my setup.  Everything worked well
except for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals
and copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I
could easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was
surprised to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something
setup incorrectly?

Mike -  W0AG

From fred.lauricella at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 12:42:56 2016
From: fred.lauricella at gmail.com (Fred Lauricella)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 12:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fios and Elecraft Website Access
Message-ID: <CAGPmaRdVzO1o+0-h0Nw+JzqQFsGSNXcBNnC3Q7JLEG8NYJ6oWA@mail.gmail.com>

I jumped in to quickly. I can only access the Electraft homepage. It just
sits there when I try to access links on the elecraft site. Only external
links work.

As others have said I can ftp to the site just fine.  I will just sit back
in silence to see if  Verizon fixes their problem.

73, Fred WY2E

From htodd at twofifty.com  Mon Jan  4 12:43:12 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 09:43:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B audio into the K3?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601040752530.15130@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601030954150.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<alpine.NEB.2.11.1601032158270.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<568A8351.6080207@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.NEB.2.11.1601040752530.15130@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601040941300.15130@chris.i8u.org>

Odd. I got the SignaLink to work, and then the K3S worked fine.

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:

> Oh, good idea. I forgot I have a Signalink somewhere.
>
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Hisashi,
>> 
>> I suspect the computer or the software application.
>> Do a test - connect a USB soundcard to your computer and tell WSJT-X and 
>> JT65 to use that soundcard.
>> Connect the output of the soundcard to an amplifier or headphones and 
>> listen to the audio as the application "transmits".
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> On 1/4/2016 1:09 AM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>>> Now I think it's the WSJT-X software rather than the radio because I can
>>> get JT65 to work for a while and then it stops sending audio to the K3.
>>> Fortunately it hasn't stopped in the middle of a QSO, but only in
>>> between.
>>> 
>>> It could be somehow messing with the settings, but I really don't know
>>> how I'd check to see if the USB audio is making it to the radio. Power
>>> cycling the radio doesn't help. I suppose I could keep rebooting the
>>> laptop but that's a bit painful as well.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any more hints?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Setting up wsjt-x on the Mac is not as straightforward as the
>>>> instructions say.* In any case, I think I have it decoding now but now I
>>>> have to figure out how to get audio from my Mac to the K3.
>>>> 
>>>> Am I right in thinking that the audio TO the K3 should go through USB as
>>>> well?
>>>> 
>>>> Any other tricks I should know about?
>>>> 
>>>> *The instructions say move the app ANYWHERE but the kvasd installer only
>>>> works if you put the application into /Applications and not in a "Ham
>>>> Radio" Folder. It's probably the space in the filename, now that I
>>>> think of it.
>>> 
>> 
>
>

-- 
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BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 13:06:24 2016
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:06:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY Messages
Message-ID: <568AB4A0.7070702@comcast.net>

When I used the Message buttons in SSB or CW at the end of the message 
the radio automatically returns to RX, however when I send a RTTY 
message the radio remains in TX.  Is there a command I can add to fix this?

I could not find anything in the manual.

Rich
K3RWN

From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jan  4 13:11:02 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:11:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fios and Elecraft Website Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGPmaRdVzO1o+0-h0Nw+JzqQFsGSNXcBNnC3Q7JLEG8NYJ6oWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPmaRdVzO1o+0-h0Nw+JzqQFsGSNXcBNnC3Q7JLEG8NYJ6oWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568AB5B6.5070205@elecraft.com>

We've checked here and nothing appears wrong with the actual server for the 
Elecraft web site. We've checked it here via multiple providers (ATT, Verizon 4G 
cellular, ATT optical). All those appear to access it OK.

It appears the problem resides at Verizon (and possibly others) with their 
network DNS servers. There -was- a short optical fiber outage mid-last week 
upstream of the ISP that hosts our Elecraft website. Its possible that the 
network re-routing required when this was fixed was not properly updated by 
Verizon on their servers and possibly other network routing servers.

Also note- you can access our web page via two addresses:
www.elecraft.com    and
elecraft.com
Both end up at the same place.

One additional thought:
If you are still having problems, you may need to flush the local DNS cache of 
old internet routing records on your PC. This can be done easily via the command 
window in Windows.

 From the program menu (icon on the lower left corner of the windows screen) 
chose 'run' and then enter 'command' as the program to run and press enter. This 
will bring up a dos command window.

 From the command prompt in that window type:   ipconfig /flushdns
Then press the enter key.
Then type: exit   followed by the enter key to close the window.

Lastly, close and re-load your browser and reload the page.

Please let us know if either of the elecraft webpage addresses above still fail 
to work.

73

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/4/2016 9:42 AM, Fred Lauricella wrote:
> I jumped in to quickly. I can only access the Electraft homepage. It just
> sits there when I try to access links on the elecraft site. Only external
> links work.
>
> As others have said I can ftp to the site just fine.  I will just sit back
> in silence to see if  Verizon fixes their problem.
>
> 73, Fred WY2E
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 13:12:26 2016
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:12:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY Messages
In-Reply-To: <568AB4A0.7070702@comcast.net>
References: <568AB4A0.7070702@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <568AB60A.4040909@comcast.net>

I found it right after I sent the email.  It was a bit confusing as the 
software shows IM is "|" when actually | is all that you can type in the 
field.  It will not take quotes

Rich

On 1/4/2016 1:06 PM, Rich wrote:
> When I used the Message buttons in SSB or CW at the end of the message 
> the radio automatically returns to RX, however when I send a RTTY 
> message the radio remains in TX.  Is there a command I can add to fix 
> this?
>
> I could not find anything in the manual.
>
> Rich
> K3RWN
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Mon Jan  4 13:17:46 2016
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:17:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY Messages
In-Reply-To: <568AB4A0.7070702@comcast.net>
References: <568AB4A0.7070702@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3DA56152-7821-48C1-9E7C-B3DA6D44BA4C@coastside.net>

If you put the pipe character "|" at the end of the text it will drop back to receive right away. This character is not sent in CW mode in case you use the same text for both. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jan  4 15:02:20 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:02:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FLDigi
In-Reply-To: <1451921470916-7612257.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1451921470916-7612257.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <568ACFCC.4050408@blomand.net>

The USB cable between the computer and radio work just fine with 
FLDIGI.    You will need to set the radio menu to USB and not RS-232.  
And use Data A mode for the radio.

Very easy implementation and works great.   The SignaLink is  not needed.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/4/2016 9:31 AM, Chris Kimball wrote:
> Is there any need to use an external audio card, such as SignalLink, with the
> K3S?  Or does the USB cable from the rear panel go directly into my computer
> running FLDigi?
>
> Thanks,



From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Jan  4 15:11:07 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:11:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command as
suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same as before,
the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for elecraft.com"
message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
The curl command also produces the same results as before.

AB2TC - Knut


Fred, KC2QFR wrote
> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the past
> 30
> min.
> 
> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
> 
> 73 de Fred, WY2E
> <snip>





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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 15:16:34 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:16:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <001501d1472c$cf124830$6d36d890$@verizon.net>

Same here near Poughkeepsie, NY
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ab2tc
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 3:11 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY

Hi,

Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command as
suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same as before,
the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for elecraft.com"
message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
The curl command also produces the same results as before.

AB2TC - Knut


Fred, KC2QFR wrote
> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the 
> past
> 30
> min.
> 
> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
> 
> 73 de Fred, WY2E
> <snip>





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From w6hv at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 15:29:07 2016
From: w6hv at verizon.net (Troy, W6HV)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 12:29:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1ABCAAB76C85470380ACFC9E9F63074F@TroyPC>

Same here in Southern California. I reported it again to Verizon. No 
response yet.
Troy, W6HV

-----Original Message----- 
From: ab2tc
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 12:11 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY

Hi,

Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command as
suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same as before,
the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for elecraft.com"
message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
The curl command also produces the same results as before.

AB2TC - Knut


Fred, KC2QFR wrote
> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the past
> 30
> min.
>
> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
>
> 73 de Fred, WY2E
> <snip>





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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan  4 15:58:35 2016
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 12:58:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>

DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server 
you're using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.

73,
matt W6NIA

On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command as
> suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same as before,
> the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for elecraft.com"
> message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
> The curl command also produces the same results as before.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Fred, KC2QFR wrote
>> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the past
>> 30
>> min.
>>
>> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
>>
>> 73 de Fred, WY2E
>> <snip>
>
>
>
>
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From Nolan at KI5IO.com  Mon Jan  4 16:12:55 2016
From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 15:12:55 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
Message-ID: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>

Still not accessible in Plano, TX ...

73 - Nolan Kienitz  KI5IO

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
Zilmer
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:59 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY

DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server you're
using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.

73,
matt W6NIA

On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command 
> as suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same 
> as before, the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for
elecraft.com"
> message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
> The curl command also produces the same results as before.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Fred, KC2QFR wrote
>> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the 
>> past
>> 30
>> min.
>>
>> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
>>
>> 73 de Fred, WY2E
>> <snip>


From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  4 16:27:26 2016
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:27:26 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>

Yes, it can take up to 48 hours to propagate.


Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
Zilmer
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:59 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY

DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server you're
using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.

73,
matt W6NIA

On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command 
> as suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same 
> as before, the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for
elecraft.com"
> message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
> The curl command also produces the same results as before.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Fred, KC2QFR wrote
>> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the 
>> past
>> 30
>> min.
>>
>> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
>>
>> 73 de Fred, WY2E
>> <snip>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: 
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> hrough-FIOS-in-NY-tp7612258p7612271.html
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Jan  4 16:30:58 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:30:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
Message-ID: <1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

If this is a DNS problem, how come everybody (including me) can ftp to the
site without any problem. It doesn't make any sense.

AB2TC - Knut


Nolan Kienitz wrote
> Still not accessible in Plano, TX ...
> 
> 73 - Nolan Kienitz  KI5IO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:

> elecraft-bounces at .qth

> ] On Behalf Of Matt
> Zilmer
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:59 PM
> To: 

> elecraft at .qth

> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
> 
> DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server
> you're
> using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.
> 
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
> 
> On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. 
> <snip>





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From kc4atu at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  4 16:31:14 2016
From: kc4atu at hotmail.com (Bill Rowlett)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:31:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>

I am sorry guys that some are having a problem with there service providers and accessing the web site. Pick up the phone and call your provider, no one here can fix it, so go help yourself by calling your provider. 

KC4ATU

On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Nolan Kienitz <Nolan at KI5IO.com> wrote:

> Still not accessible in Plano, TX ...
> 
> 73 - Nolan Kienitz  KI5IO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
> Zilmer
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:59 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
> 
> DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server you're
> using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.
> 
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
> 
> On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command 
>> as suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same 
>> as before, the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for
> elecraft.com"
>> message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
>> The curl command also produces the same results as before.
>> 
>> AB2TC - Knut
>> 
>> 
>> Fred, KC2QFR wrote
>>> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the 
>>> past
>>> 30
>>> min.
>>> 
>>> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
>>> 
>>> 73 de Fred, WY2E
>>> <snip>
> 
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From Andy at rickham.net  Mon Jan  4 16:39:28 2016
From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:39:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <06831ED9-2EC2-4521-848E-49476F1CF7BD@rickham.net>

Knut,

A couple of possible reasons that make perfect sense. 

First, a number of ISPs intercept port 80 traffic (http) for advertising or cache purposes but don?t do the same for the ftp port; if the cache or advertising machine has DNS issues, so will anything downstream. 

Second, ftp and http may point to different IP addresses ? for example my file and web servers are different machines so are on different addresses. Added to which they have different TTL values too.

I hope this helps.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 4 Jan 2016, at 21:30, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> If this is a DNS problem, how come everybody (including me) can ftp to the
> site without any problem. It doesn't make any sense.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 



From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 16:41:31 2016
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 15:41:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5ED499A9-7F0C-43AC-8B52-93460B184D0F@tx.rr.com>

And if it?s a DNS or some other weird network problem, apparently unique to Verizon FiOS, what does it have to do with the Elecraft list, and why is the list saturated with ?works here? (I?m guilty, too)  or "doesn?t work here? reports?  It?s like a SkyWarn net where the newbies have to be told not to break the repeater with ?blue sky? reports.  Shouldn?t this traffic be going to the ISP?s Customer Service lists?

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




> On Jan 4, 2016, at 3:30 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> If this is a DNS problem, how come everybody (including me) can ftp to the
> site without any problem. It doesn't make any sense.
> 


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 16:45:10 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:45:10 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <568ae7ef.c18e420a.4d000.ffffd628@mx.google.com>

Sounds like good advice to me. My delete key is about to break methinks....:-)
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Rowlett" <kc4atu at hotmail.com>
Sent: ?5/?01/?2016 7:33 AM
To: "Nolan Kienitz" <Nolan at KI5IO.com>
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY

I am sorry guys that some are having a problem with there service providers and accessing the web site. Pick up the phone and call your provider, no one here can fix it, so go help yourself by calling your provider. 

KC4ATU

On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Nolan Kienitz <Nolan at KI5IO.com> wrote:

> Still not accessible in Plano, TX ...
> 
> 73 - Nolan Kienitz  KI5IO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
> Zilmer
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:59 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
> 
> DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server you're
> using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.
> 
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
> 
> On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command 
>> as suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same 
>> as before, the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for
> elecraft.com"
>> message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
>> The curl command also produces the same results as before.
>> 
>> AB2TC - Knut
>> 
>> 
>> Fred, KC2QFR wrote
>>> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the 
>>> past
>>> 30
>>> min.
>>> 
>>> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
>>> 
>>> 73 de Fred, WY2E
>>> <snip>
> 
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 16:46:27 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:46:27 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <5ED499A9-7F0C-43AC-8B52-93460B184D0F@tx.rr.com>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5ED499A9-7F0C-43AC-8B52-93460B184D0F@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <568ae83c.8b10620a.4ae5.ffffa4da@mx.google.com>

Seems logical to me
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "GRANT YOUNGMAN" <nq5t at tx.rr.com>
Sent: ?5/?01/?2016 7:42 AM
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY

And if it?s a DNS or some other weird network problem, apparently unique to Verizon FiOS, what does it have to do with the Elecraft list, and why is the list saturated with ?works here? (I?m guilty, too)  or "doesn?t work here? reports?  It?s like a SkyWarn net where the newbies have to be told not to break the repeater with ?blue sky? reports.  Shouldn?t this traffic be going to the ISP?s Customer Service lists?

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




> On Jan 4, 2016, at 3:30 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> If this is a DNS problem, how come everybody (including me) can ftp to the
> site without any problem. It doesn't make any sense.
> 

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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 16:47:17 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:47:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
	<006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-+0wJ_Ubx0i8Ycf_5ZjHTrdsH5EaA22tSXiWxdEKdovA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, but who ever said it was a DNS issue?

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Mark E. Musick <markmusick at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Yes, it can take up to 48 hours to propagate.
>
>
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
> Zilmer
> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:59 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
>
> DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server you're
> using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.
>
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
>
> On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" command
> > as suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are the same
> > as before, the browser (IE11) spins forever with the "Waiting for
> elecraft.com"
> > message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
> > The curl command also produces the same results as before.
> >
> > AB2TC - Knut
> >
> >
> > Fred, KC2QFR wrote
> >> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the
> >> past
> >> 30
> >> min.
> >>
> >> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
> >>
> >> 73 de Fred, WY2E
> >> <snip>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-website-now-accessable-t
> > hrough-FIOS-in-NY-tp7612258p7612271.html
> > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From Nolan at KI5IO.com  Mon Jan  4 16:48:54 2016
From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 15:48:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000c01d14739$b582a100$2087e300$@KI5IO.com>

Point well taken, Bill ... It is just frustrating to deal with Verizon as it
takes well into 30-minutes to get in touch with someone and then even longer
to get to someone "knowledgeable" (sort of) and then be told:  "We're aware
of it and working on it and will not take a new ticket."

I've had that message given to me three times.

It just gets old.

I'm just venting due to the customer service issues (this time with Verizon)
and they are NOT a Verizon "exclusive" anymore these days.

We'll get there ... but patience is key for sure.


73,

Nolan K.
 KI5IO


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rowlett [mailto:kc4atu at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 3:31 PM
To: Nolan Kienitz
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY

I am sorry guys that some are having a problem with there service providers
and accessing the web site. Pick up the phone and call your provider, no one
here can fix it, so go help yourself by calling your provider. 

KC4ATU

On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Nolan Kienitz <Nolan at KI5IO.com> wrote:

> Still not accessible in Plano, TX ...
> 
> 73 - Nolan Kienitz  KI5IO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Matt Zilmer
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:59 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS 
> in NY
> 
> DNS sometimes takes a while to propagate downstream.  The DNS server 
> you're using is probably (er, may be) different from others in NY.
> 
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
> 
> On 1/4/2016 12:11 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Still dead here in Syracuse, NY. I did an "ipconfig /flushdns" 
>> command as suggested by Eric Swartz in another thread. Symptoms are 
>> the same as before, the browser (IE11) spins forever with the 
>> "Waiting for
> elecraft.com"
>> message. The FTP protocol works fine as before as do ping and traceroute.
>> The curl command also produces the same results as before.
>> 
>> AB2TC - Knut
>> 
>> 
>> Fred, KC2QFR wrote
>>> Started working properly here on FIOS in Poughkeepsie NY during the 
>>> past
>>> 30
>>> min.
>>> 
>>> It looks like Rick, N1RM calling FIOS service did the trick.
>>> 
>>> 73 de Fred, WY2E
>>> <snip>
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Jan  4 16:55:19 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:55:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1451944519358-7612285.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

Contacting Verizon has already been done by a number of people, most notably
by Rick, N1RM who even managed to convince Verizon that the problem is
theirs and they promised action within 24 to 48 hours. In the meantime some
people have reported that they have fixed the problem. So why is it
offensive to some that other people report that, no, the problem is not yet
fixed? This is *not* in any way off topic. A significant number of Elecraft
customers are currently unable to place online orders. Is this not relevant
to the Elecraft community?

AB2TC - Knut


Bill Rowlett wrote
> I am sorry guys that some are having a problem with there service
> providers and accessing the web site. Pick up the phone and call your
> provider, no one here can fix it, so go help yourself by calling your
> provider. 
> 
> KC4ATU
> 
> On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Nolan Kienitz &lt;

> Nolan@

> &gt; wrote:
> 
>> Still not accessible in Plano, TX ...
>> 
>> 73 - Nolan Kienitz  KI5IO
> <snip>





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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 16:57:26 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:57:26 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451944519358-7612285.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP256CED0C0C70C395CC05E1793F20@phx.gbl>
	<1451944519358-7612285.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <568aeace.d343620a.f3058.ffff9caa@mx.google.com>

Flogging a dead horse?

Just sayin....

Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "ab2tc" <ab2tc at arrl.net>
Sent: ?5/?01/?2016 7:56 AM
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY

Hi all,

Contacting Verizon has already been done by a number of people, most notably
by Rick, N1RM who even managed to convince Verizon that the problem is
theirs and they promised action within 24 to 48 hours. In the meantime some
people have reported that they have fixed the problem. So why is it
offensive to some that other people report that, no, the problem is not yet
fixed? This is *not* in any way off topic. A significant number of Elecraft
customers are currently unable to place online orders. Is this not relevant
to the Elecraft community?

AB2TC - Knut


Bill Rowlett wrote
> I am sorry guys that some are having a problem with there service
> providers and accessing the web site. Pick up the phone and call your
> provider, no one here can fix it, so go help yourself by calling your
> provider. 
> 
> KC4ATU
> 
> On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Nolan Kienitz &lt;

> Nolan@

> &gt; wrote:
> 
>> Still not accessible in Plano, TX ...
>> 
>> 73 - Nolan Kienitz  KI5IO
> <snip>





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From nf4l at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 17:03:31 2016
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 17:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <CALHj_b-+0wJ_Ubx0i8Ycf_5ZjHTrdsH5EaA22tSXiWxdEKdovA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
	<006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<CALHj_b-+0wJ_Ubx0i8Ycf_5ZjHTrdsH5EaA22tSXiWxdEKdovA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D28C0AC2-4E82-4638-A14D-815ABF6E84BC@comcast.net>

Eric.
73, Mike NF4L


> On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Barry N1EU <n1eu.barry at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but who ever said it was a DNS issue?
> 


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Jan  4 17:20:23 2016
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:20:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessible through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <000001d14734$ae799490$0b6cbdb0$@KI5IO.com>
	<1451943058062-7612277.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <568AF027.8070504@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

It isn't a DNS problem.

On 1/4/2016 1:30 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> If this is a DNS problem, how come everybody (including me) can ftp to the
> site without any problem.


From w0cz at i29.net  Mon Jan  4 17:31:40 2016
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:31:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FLDigi
In-Reply-To: <1451921470916-7612257.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1451921470916-7612257.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <63E5F06B-12BB-49DF-A3D8-937811B96E54@i29.net>

Hi Chris
FLDIGI works on my Win 10 lap top and K3S with no other sound card. It also works through a USB hub along with my keyboard, mouse, and Winkeyer. Good luck
Ken w0cz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Chris Kimball <mail at cvkimball.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there any need to use an external audio card, such as SignalLink, with the
> K3S?  Or does the USB cable from the rear panel go directly into my computer
> running FLDigi?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
> NQ8Z
> 
> 
> 
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jan  4 17:34:06 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:34:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <D28C0AC2-4E82-4638-A14D-815ABF6E84BC@comcast.net>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
	<006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<CALHj_b-+0wJ_Ubx0i8Ycf_5ZjHTrdsH5EaA22tSXiWxdEKdovA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D28C0AC2-4E82-4638-A14D-815ABF6E84BC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <568AF35E.8000702@elecraft.com>

It appears its not a DNS problem, but is is specific to Verizon and how it 
transfers web page data from our web site.

We've been able to reproduce it through remote access to several of our 
customer's (who use verizon) PCs. It appears to be related to page size and 
possible proxy MTU settings at Verizon.


Brandon here at HQ created created a test page. (Its a small blank page.)

http://www.elecraft.com/blank.html

This page will help test MTU incompatible settings between network providers.
The file size of the blank page is small enough to pass most MTU settings in one 
single packet.
We suspect the Verizon FIOS users will be able to load the blank page, but not 
regular www.elecraft.com pages.

We suggest users load the blank page, and then try to load our www.elecraft.com 
homepage.
They should send the results to Verizon for further inspection of their internal 
network.

As far as we can tell, the web server is working just fine.  All other ISPs do 
not appear to have the loading issue.
This appears to be Verizon FIOS and DSL specific as the regular Elecraft web 
page loads OK through Verizon 4G here.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/4/2016 2:03 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote:
> Eric.
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
>
>> On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Barry N1EU <n1eu.barry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but who ever said it was a DNS issue?
>>
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From scameron39 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 17:35:46 2016
From: scameron39 at gmail.com (Skip Cameron)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:35:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KPA500
Message-ID: <CAH=YJo4Ua2705eGj=4GJh363B4HmVwDkb0vDhGvoe2YV+8GL4g@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone out there with a KPA500 they'd like to sell?
Contact me off list, please
Skip W5GAI at arrl.net

From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 18:18:50 2016
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Ray B)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:18:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FIOS
Message-ID: <CAB_i5cQYcrpbnGvv27pGydGXn4nf5wN81e4RR7udAT9iZ9mkDw@mail.gmail.com>

Spent 56 minutes on phone with verizon tech rep.  i let him access my
computer so he could trace path.  He says it is a Verizon net problem that
will take maybe 72 hours to fix.

The more calls they get the quicker it will get fixed, " the squeaky wheel
gets the grease".

Ray
W8LYJ

From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Jan  4 18:20:13 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:20:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <568AF35E.8000702@elecraft.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
	<006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<CALHj_b-+0wJ_Ubx0i8Ycf_5ZjHTrdsH5EaA22tSXiWxdEKdovA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D28C0AC2-4E82-4638-A14D-815ABF6E84BC@comcast.net>
	<568AF35E.8000702@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1451949613382-7612292.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Eric,

Brandon's test (blank) page loads with no problem. elecraft.com http page
does not. Verizon should be aware of the problem by now and hopefully
working on it.

AB2TC - Knut


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote
> It appears its not a DNS problem, but is is specific to Verizon and how it 
> transfers web page data from our web site.
> 
> We've been able to reproduce it through remote access to several of our 
> customer's (who use verizon) PCs. It appears to be related to page size
> and 
> possible proxy MTU settings at Verizon.
> 
> 
> Brandon here at HQ created created a test page. (Its a small blank page.)
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/blank.html
> 
> This page will help test MTU incompatible settings between network
> providers.
> The file size of the blank page is small enough to pass most MTU settings
> in one 
> single packet.
> We suspect the Verizon FIOS users will be able to load the blank page, but
> not 
> regular www.elecraft.com pages.
> 
> We suggest users load the blank page, and then try to load our
> www.elecraft.com 
> homepage.
> They should send the results to Verizon for further inspection of their
> internal 
> network.
> 
> As far as we can tell, the web server is working just fine.  All other
> ISPs do 
> not appear to have the loading issue.
> This appears to be Verizon FIOS and DSL specific as the regular Elecraft
> web 
> page loads OK through Verizon 4G here.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
> On 1/4/2016 2:03 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote:
>> Eric.
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Barry N1EU &lt;

> n1eu.barry@

> &gt; wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, but who ever said it was a DNS issue?
> <snip>





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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan  4 18:45:15 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:45:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad
Message-ID: <1451951115.4294.58.camel@nostromo>

Hi,

Does anyone actually have one of these working with a K3?

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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Jan  4 18:47:06 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:47:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451949613382-7612292.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
	<006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<CALHj_b-+0wJ_Ubx0i8Ycf_5ZjHTrdsH5EaA22tSXiWxdEKdovA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D28C0AC2-4E82-4638-A14D-815ABF6E84BC@comcast.net>
	<568AF35E.8000702@elecraft.com>
	<1451949613382-7612292.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1451951226358-7612295.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi again Eric,

With that said, if the problem is really your web site pushing the MTU
limits imposed by Verizon, you may be back on line with us (the FIOS users
having problems) faster by working with your web site host to reduce this.
Verizon is not known to be a fast working machine. But we can still have
some patience.

AB2TC - Knut


Hi Eric,

Brandon's test (blank) page loads with no problem. elecraft.com http page
does not. Verizon should be aware of the problem by now and hopefully
working on it.

AB2TC - Knut


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote
> It appears its not a DNS problem, but is is specific to Verizon and how it 
> transfers web page data from our web site.
> 
> We've been able to reproduce it through remote access to several of our 
> customer's (who use verizon) PCs. It appears to be related to page size
> and 
> possible proxy MTU settings at Verizon.
> <snip>





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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 19:00:31 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 19:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FIOS
In-Reply-To: <CAB_i5cQYcrpbnGvv27pGydGXn4nf5wN81e4RR7udAT9iZ9mkDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB_i5cQYcrpbnGvv27pGydGXn4nf5wN81e4RR7udAT9iZ9mkDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d1474c$184310b0$48c93210$@verizon.net>

Hi Ray,
Trying to contact Verizon is painful. But after a half hour I go to talk to
a human. 
She said the problem must be with my router or PC because she said she can
get on www.elecraft.com with no issue. I asked if she was using something
besides Verizon. She didn't get the humor in that.
She said she could not find any work orders about this. But what would she
know.

By the way I ran tracert. The first packets at 1, 5 and 7ms went through. At
11ms it stalled. Although to be truthful I am not sure what this is all
about :-)

Will sit back and wait till Verizon gets their act together on this. 

73 and GL
N2TK, Tony

Oh, and HNY.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ray B
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 6:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] FIOS

Spent 56 minutes on phone with verizon tech rep.  i let him access my
computer so he could trace path.  He says it is a Verizon net problem that
will take maybe 72 hours to fix.

The more calls they get the quicker it will get fixed, " the squeaky wheel
gets the grease".

Ray
W8LYJ
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jan  4 19:00:31 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:00:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451951226358-7612295.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1451938267341-7612271.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<568ADCFB.3080502@roadrunner.com>
	<006d01d14736$b5f2a840$21d7f8c0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<CALHj_b-+0wJ_Ubx0i8Ycf_5ZjHTrdsH5EaA22tSXiWxdEKdovA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D28C0AC2-4E82-4638-A14D-815ABF6E84BC@comcast.net>
	<568AF35E.8000702@elecraft.com>
	<1451949613382-7612292.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1451951226358-7612295.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <568B079F.8050109@elecraft.com>

Hi Knut,

Its not anything we're doing here that is non-standard, and nothing has changed 
in that regard in the last week or two.

It appears Verizon made some sort of change to their system and it is causing 
these problems. Fortunately, it appears that the original poster and several 
others who reported problems are now getting the Elecraft web site OK. If 
Verizon is addressing this, it may take 24-28 hours to ripple through their system

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/4/2016 3:47 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi again Eric,
>
> With that said, if the problem is really your web site pushing the MTU
> limits imposed by Verizon, you may be back on line with us (the FIOS users
> having problems) faster by working with your web site host to reduce this.
> Verizon is not known to be a fast working machine. But we can still have
> some patience.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> Brandon's test (blank) page loads with no problem. elecraft.com http page
> does not. Verizon should be aware of the problem by now and hopefully
> working on it.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote
>> It appears its not a DNS problem, but is is specific to Verizon and how it
>> transfers web page data from our web site.
>>
>> We've been able to reproduce it through remote access to several of our
>> customer's (who use verizon) PCs. It appears to be related to page size
>> and
>> possible proxy MTU settings at Verizon.
>> <snip>
>
>
>
>
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From lew at n6lew.us  Mon Jan  4 19:01:51 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:01:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fios and Elecraft Website Access
In-Reply-To: <568AB5B6.5070205@elecraft.com>
References: <CAGPmaRdVzO1o+0-h0Nw+JzqQFsGSNXcBNnC3Q7JLEG8NYJ6oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568AB5B6.5070205@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <4D4C1DB9-10D0-4BCF-B852-4CB026462CD5@n6lew.us>

For anyone with a Mac who needs to flush their Domain Name Server cache, here are the instructions for OS X 10.10.4 or newer:

1. Open Terminal.app
2. On the command line enter:

sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder

3. Exit Terminal..app

To do the same thing in older versions of OS X, see:  

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202516 <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202516>

73 

Lew N6LEW


> On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> If you are still having problems, you may need to flush the local DNS cache of old internet routing records on your PC. This can be done easily via the command window in Windows.
> 

Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us

Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.






From ojohns at metacosmos.org  Mon Jan  4 19:50:01 2016
From: ojohns at metacosmos.org (Oliver Johns)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:50:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] TGE voltage booster dynamics with K3
Message-ID: <E9FFF64D-3D13-4851-B7B8-7ABDB4439CE5@metacosmos.org>

I had a nonsense subject line on my previous submission of this.  So, resubmitting it in case someone has some ideas.


Like John, T6EE, I use a TGE Solutions booster unit.  (In my case the marine model
<http://stores.tgelectronics.org/n8xjk-marine-booster <http://stores.tgelectronics.org/n8xjk-marine-booster>>  with a 35Ah AGM battery.)
It is set for 14 volts and, according to the K3 voltage metering, holds that voltage 
with battery voltage as low as 11 Volts, which is low as I like to go.

My question is, has anyone with an oscilloscope done any tests of the DYNAMIC behaviour of 
this or similar units under the rapidly varying load presented by SSB?  If the voltage fluctuates
under a rapidly varying load, this could lead to distortion in the K3 output regardless of the 
DC load values.

73,

Oliver
W6ODJ



> On 29 Jan. 2015, at 16:45 PM, John T6EE wrote:
> 
> 2)      There is a solution which I now use for K3 operation on battery.  TE
> Systems sells voltage boosters which will maintain a constant 13.6 VDC
> regardless of the transceiver's current draw.


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jan  4 19:58:04 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:58:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] TGE voltage booster dynamics with K3
In-Reply-To: <E9FFF64D-3D13-4851-B7B8-7ABDB4439CE5@metacosmos.org>
References: <E9FFF64D-3D13-4851-B7B8-7ABDB4439CE5@metacosmos.org>
Message-ID: <00604298-2D46-4B9F-8A1A-BBA7BCCD5D0E@elecraft.com>


On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Oliver Johns <ojohns at metacosmos.org> wrote:

> I had a nonsense subject line on my previous submission of this.  So, resubmitting it in case someone has some ideas.
> 
> 
> Like John, T6EE, I use a TGE Solutions booster unit.  (In my case the marine model
> <http://stores.tgelectronics.org/n8xjk-marine-booster <http://stores.tgelectronics.org/n8xjk-marine-booster>>  with a 35Ah AGM battery.)
> It is set for 14 volts and, according to the K3 voltage metering, holds that voltage 
> with battery voltage as low as 11 Volts, which is low as I like to go.
> 
> My question is, has anyone with an oscilloscope done any tests of the DYNAMIC behaviour of 
> this or similar units under the rapidly varying load presented by SSB?  If the voltage fluctuates
> under a rapidly varying load, this could lead to distortion in the K3 output?

...as well as that of any other transceiver...

> regardless of the 
> DC load values.
> 


Wayne
N6KR


From Gary at ka1j.com  Mon Jan  4 22:52:17 2016
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 22:52:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website now accessable through FIOS in NY
In-Reply-To: <1451925544.4294.44.camel@nostromo>
References: <CAGPmaRfRYUaY2zd6_xF+ze=VQt7O7+roA75usEY76P-689hqNw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1451925544.4294.44.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <568B3DF1.31568.FA3472C@Gary.ka1j.com>

FWIW, it has never been any problem in Groton, CT

73,

Gary
KA1J

> I wonder what EXACTLY was the issue?


From n1rm at arrl.net  Mon Jan  4 23:45:04 2016
From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:45:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <1451814217800-7612221.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <35EACBA0-4921-41C3-8656-05DE11739367@ruby-wine.com>
	<1451814217800-7612221.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1451969104546-7612302.post@n2.nabble.com>

Just a quick update - please don't yell at me...

The problem persists here (Reston, VA).

Further troubleshooting indicates that the problem is NOT at Elecraft.

Verizon has now escalated this two levels to their engineering group - not
sure what that means, but it sounds impressive.  I'll continue to ping them
to ensure they don't close the ticket from perceived lack of interest.

FWIW, they seem genuinely interested in solving this.  Some of the
complaints about this thread indicate that a few people don't appreciate the
fact that Verizon does not own or control much of the infrastructure between
my house and Elecraft (that's the nature of the Internet).  I've dealt with
other ISP's, in the past, who would make me prove that the problem is theirs
(generally impossible for an end-user to do) before investigating it. 
That's why they are "in the past."

Rick
N1RM




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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jan  4 23:53:10 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:53:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
Message-ID: <dr2idetvuk4gquivp7cpt12t.1451969590895@email.android.com>

I had the same thing in the past where I couldn't access Price Waterhouse from work but I could from home.A trace route showed me the faulty router and a call to the whois administrator lead me to someone who said he couldn't do much.The next step was to the Canadian president of Price Waterhouse, and it was fixed the next day.Surely all you guys can find the offending router, especially since there are so many people with the problem.73 Tomva2fsq.com


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Rick Miller - N1RM <n1rm at arrl.net> Date: 2016-01-04  11:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios 
Just a quick update - please don't yell at me...

The problem persists here (Reston, VA).

Further troubleshooting indicates that the problem is NOT at Elecraft.

Verizon has now escalated this two levels to their engineering group - not
sure what that means, but it sounds impressive.? I'll continue to ping them
to ensure they don't close the ticket from perceived lack of interest.

FWIW, they seem genuinely interested in solving this.? Some of the
complaints about this thread indicate that a few people don't appreciate the
fact that Verizon does not own or control much of the infrastructure between
my house and Elecraft (that's the nature of the Internet).? I've dealt with
other ISP's, in the past, who would make me prove that the problem is theirs
(generally impossible for an end-user to do) before investigating it. 
That's why they are "in the past."

Rick
N1RM




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From plambert at qa.com.au  Tue Jan  5 01:50:46 2016
From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:50:46 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <dr2idetvuk4gquivp7cpt12t.1451969590895@email.android.com>
References: <dr2idetvuk4gquivp7cpt12t.1451969590895@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <00be01d14785$68fa4670$3aeed350$@qa.com.au>

Apologies in advance for the sensitive. This IS definitely OT.

Wow, the internet discussion has totally killed any radio discussion here.

I'm an old timer and that truly bothers me.

Condx aren?t that bad.

73'sss Peter VK4JD


From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 07:25:27 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:25:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <dr2idetvuk4gquivp7cpt12t.1451969590895@email.android.com>
References: <dr2idetvuk4gquivp7cpt12t.1451969590895@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-sntw0qcjsKgUnU+59HVbQ_E4R6R893N_LpPusg2e41A@mail.gmail.com>

It is NOT a routing issue.  Knut and I have identical tracert after
the first few hopes and I've never had an issue with connecting.

Barry N1EU

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:53 PM, tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> I had the same thing in the past where I couldn't access Price Waterhouse from work but I could from home.A trace route showed me the faulty router and a call to the whois administrator lead me to someone who said he couldn't do much.The next step was to the Canadian president of Price Waterhouse, and it was fixed the next day.Surely all you guys can find the offending router, especially since there are so many people with the problem.73 Tomva2fsq.com
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Rick Miller - N1RM <n1rm at arrl.net> Date: 2016-01-04  11:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
> Just a quick update - please don't yell at me...
>
> The problem persists here (Reston, VA).
>
> Further troubleshooting indicates that the problem is NOT at Elecraft.
>
> Verizon has now escalated this two levels to their engineering group - not
> sure what that means, but it sounds impressive.  I'll continue to ping them
> to ensure they don't close the ticket from perceived lack of interest.
>
> FWIW, they seem genuinely interested in solving this.  Some of the
> complaints about this thread indicate that a few people don't appreciate the
> fact that Verizon does not own or control much of the infrastructure between
> my house and Elecraft (that's the nature of the Internet).  I've dealt with
> other ISP's, in the past, who would make me prove that the problem is theirs
> (generally impossible for an end-user to do) before investigating it.
> That's why they are "in the past."
>
> Rick
> N1RM
>
>
>
>
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From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Tue Jan  5 08:08:16 2016
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray G3XLG)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 06:08:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting the KPA500 & KAT500 to another transcever
Message-ID: <1451999296974-7612306.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have just got a low power SunSDR2PRO SDR transceiver with a power output of
up to 15W. 

I want to connect it safely to my KPA500 & KAT500 and so far I've connected
the SDR key line to the KAT500 with another separate key line cable from the
KAT500 to the KPA500. The drive from the SDR goes to the RF IN socket on the
KPA500 & after amplification to the KAT500 RF IN socket & then to a dummy
load/antenna.
It all seems to be working OK but I'm unsure whether the KAT500 will be
protected if I do a tune with the amp in circuit ie. will the amp be
inhibited during the ant tune?
The AUX cables (normally to my K3) are disconnected at the moment.
Any advice please gratefully received
73



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From fcady at montana.edu  Tue Jan  5 08:17:04 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:17:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting the KPA500 & KAT500 to another transcever
In-Reply-To: <1451999296974-7612306.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1451999296974-7612306.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB08091AD326E27EB907FD8DD1AFF30@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Ray,
Yes, you should be OK.  
I have a short explanation on how the KPA and KXPA tuners work at http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
You are welcome to download it.  It should answers most of your questions.
Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com


________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Ray G3XLG <ray2.s at btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:08 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting the KPA500 & KAT500 to another transcever

I have just got a low power SunSDR2PRO SDR transceiver with a power output of
up to 15W.

I want to connect it safely to my KPA500 & KAT500 and so far I've connected
the SDR key line to the KAT500 with another separate key line cable from the
KAT500 to the KPA500. The drive from the SDR goes to the RF IN socket on the
KPA500 & after amplification to the KAT500 RF IN socket & then to a dummy
load/antenna.
It all seems to be working OK but I'm unsure whether the KAT500 will be
protected if I do a tune with the amp in circuit ie. will the amp be
inhibited during the ant tune?
The AUX cables (normally to my K3) are disconnected at the moment.
Any advice please gratefully received
73



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From rglorioso at me.com  Tue Jan  5 10:24:01 2016
From: rglorioso at me.com (Robert Glorioso)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 10:24:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website
Message-ID: <156E77E3-CDBB-48B0-843E-C4FC86109249@me.com>

I still am not able to reliably get into the Elecraft website from Boston area via FIOS.

Bob
W1IS

From jerry at molaver.org  Tue Jan  5 12:53:14 2016
From: jerry at molaver.org (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:53:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
Message-ID: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.


It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?


Any suggestions would be appreciated


Jerry, k1tgx

From mauriciofc69 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 13:03:44 2016
From: mauriciofc69 at yahoo.com (Mauricio Fernandez)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:03:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale my K2/10 Kat 100 twins
References: <635272498.443289.1452017024764.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <635272498.443289.1452017024764.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello

First of all Happy New year to all. Before to put it in e bay I have for sale my K2/100 and KAT/100 twins if someone is interested.
Thank you 
God Bless you all
KP4LE 

From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jan  5 13:09:45 2016
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:09:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <568C06E9.4040503@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

You probably can't get a PC that's too small.

For logging and control, an Intel Atom (or the equivalent AMD ultra-low 
power CPU) would likely be an order of magnitude more than you need.

If you want to do digital (soundcard) modes, the slowest i3 would be lots.

Under Windows, I think more memory is always better than a faster CPU.  
8 gigabytes is probably a ton, however.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/5/2016 9:53 AM, Jerry wrote:
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?


From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 13:19:21 2016
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:19:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <568C0929.1010405@gmail.com>

Jerry,
    An I7 is more than enough processor.   You will want a video card 
that can driver at least 2 monitors.  You should consider adding real 
RS232 ports, at least 2 or 4 if you will ever run two radios, and even 
more if you want to control rotors, amps (KPA-500) or other accessories.
     I use an FX-6300 3.5Ghz processor with 16Gb of ram and a 250Gb SSD 
for the boot drive.
I find that the SSD speeds the system up, I get from a cold boot to 
ready to run my software in about 10-15 seconds from power on.

Gordon - N1MGO

On 01/05/2016 12:53 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>
>
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>
>
> Jerry, k1tgx
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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan  5 13:28:24 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:28:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <CALHj_b-sntw0qcjsKgUnU+59HVbQ_E4R6R893N_LpPusg2e41A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dr2idetvuk4gquivp7cpt12t.1451969590895@email.android.com>
	<CALHj_b-sntw0qcjsKgUnU+59HVbQ_E4R6R893N_LpPusg2e41A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568C0B48.9080804@elecraft.com>

We've been beating on the Verizon Fios issue accessing elecraft.com with our 
team non-stop since it first started to occur, and we are also in direct contact 
with our hosting ISP for Elecraft. Their engineering team is hitting it hard 
from their end.

Let's drop the thread on here for now to reduce list clutter.. If you wish to 
send a report of failure, or if it starts working for you, please email me 
directly ( eric at elecraft.com) .

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/5/2016 4:25 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
> It is NOT a routing issue.  Knut and I have identical tracert after
> the first few hopes and I've never had an issue with connecting.
>
> Barry N1EU
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:53 PM, tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>> I had the same thing in the past where I couldn't access Price Waterhouse from work but I could from home.A trace route showed me the faulty router and a call to the whois administrator lead me to someone who said he couldn't do much.The next step was to the Canadian president of Price Waterhouse, and it was fixed the next day.Surely all you guys can find the offending router, especially since there are so many people with the problem.73 Tomva2fsq.com
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Rick Miller - N1RM <n1rm at arrl.net> Date: 2016-01-04  11:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
>> Just a quick update - please don't yell at me...
>>
>> The problem persists here (Reston, VA).
>>
>> Further troubleshooting indicates that the problem is NOT at Elecraft.
>>
>> Verizon has now escalated this two levels to their engineering group - not
>> sure what that means, but it sounds impressive.  I'll continue to ping them
>> to ensure they don't close the ticket from perceived lack of interest.
>>
>> FWIW, they seem genuinely interested in solving this.  Some of the
>> complaints about this thread indicate that a few people don't appreciate the
>> fact that Verizon does not own or control much of the infrastructure between
>> my house and Elecraft (that's the nature of the Internet).  I've dealt with
>> other ISP's, in the past, who would make me prove that the problem is theirs
>> (generally impossible for an end-user to do) before investigating it.
>> That's why they are "in the past."
>>
>> Rick
>> N1RM
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan  5 13:41:23 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:41:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft website and Fios
In-Reply-To: <568C0B48.9080804@elecraft.com>
References: <dr2idetvuk4gquivp7cpt12t.1451969590895@email.android.com>
	<CALHj_b-sntw0qcjsKgUnU+59HVbQ_E4R6R893N_LpPusg2e41A@mail.gmail.com>
	<568C0B48.9080804@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <568C0E53.7020102@elecraft.com>

One other data point I forgot to mention - Our ISP's engineers are directly 
working with Verizon to determine where the problem is and to get it resolved.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/5/2016 10:28 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> We've been beating on the Verizon Fios issue accessing elecraft.com with our 
> team non-stop since it first started to occur, and we are also in direct 
> contact with our hosting ISP for Elecraft. Their engineering team is hitting 
> it hard from their end.
>
> Let's drop the thread on here for now to reduce list clutter.. If you wish to 
> send a report of failure, or if it starts working for you, please email me 
> directly ( eric at elecraft.com) .
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
>
> On 1/5/2016 4:25 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>> It is NOT a routing issue.  Knut and I have identical tracert after
>> the first few hopes and I've never had an issue with connecting.
>>
>> Barry N1EU
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:53 PM, tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> I had the same thing in the past where I couldn't access Price Waterhouse 
>>> from work but I could from home.A trace route showed me the faulty router 
>>> and a call to the whois administrator lead me to someone who said he 
>>> couldn't do much.The next step was to the Canadian president of Price 
>>> Waterhouse, and it was fixed the next day.Surely all you guys can find the 
>>> offending router, especially since there are so many people with the 
>>> problem.73 Tomva2fsq.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message 
>>> --------From: Rick Miller - N1RM <n1rm at arrl.net> Date: 2016-01-04  11:45 PM  
>>> (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft 
>>> website and Fios
>>> Just a quick update - please don't yell at me...
>>>
>>> The problem persists here (Reston, VA).
>>>
>>> Further troubleshooting indicates that the problem is NOT at Elecraft.
>>>
>>> Verizon has now escalated this two levels to their engineering group - not
>>> sure what that means, but it sounds impressive.  I'll continue to ping them
>>> to ensure they don't close the ticket from perceived lack of interest.
>>>
>>> FWIW, they seem genuinely interested in solving this.  Some of the
>>> complaints about this thread indicate that a few people don't appreciate the
>>> fact that Verizon does not own or control much of the infrastructure between
>>> my house and Elecraft (that's the nature of the Internet). I've dealt with
>>> other ISP's, in the past, who would make me prove that the problem is theirs
>>> (generally impossible for an end-user to do) before investigating it.
>>> That's why they are "in the past."
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> N1RM
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Tue Jan  5 13:43:37 2016
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:43:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
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I haven't had used a "real" (old fashioned) serial port on any PC that
controls radio equipment in probably 10 years.  It's really not necessary
if you purchase quality USB/Serial adapters (no fake chipsets) where
needed.  The only PC I have with a old-fashioned serial port is an ancient
Toshiba laptop I keep around that runs DOS so I can program old Motorola
radios.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You should consider adding real RS232 ports, at least 2 or 4 if you will
> ever run two radios, and even more if you want to control rotors, amps
> (KPA-500) or other accessories.
>
>>
>>
>

From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 13:53:12 2016
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:53:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <568C0929.1010405@gmail.com>
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Last year I decided that the dual core desktop was not enough to run the 
station so I built a new computer, something I hadn't done in over a 
decade (because pre-assembled is cheaper).

I didn't want the bleeding edge, but I wanted something quick that would 
run without much intervention for ten years.  What I assembled was:

I-7 clocked at 4 GHz (actually now overclocked at 4.3 GHz) on an Asus 
mobo, PLENTY of USB 2 and 3 ports
32 GB memory (maxes the mobo; too much memory is not possible, OS keeps 
growing)
M.2 SSD (Google this, VERY fast transfer rates, connected onto the mobo)
2 TB spinning drive (D:, data storage)
4 port serial card, 4 REAL serial ports
Card reader (I do photo work too, this is USB 3))
Tower cooler for the CPU, keep it icy
Tower case with multiple fans...

The results are that Win7/64 from power switch flipped on to fully up 
and running (POST included) in under 20 seconds.  It runs the entire 
station (K3, KAT500, KPA500) via HRD 24/7 plus the weather data 
collection, web site production and a couple other chores and does this 
with the clock idled down to 800 MHz on the CPU (it's bored) to save 
energy.  The fans are nearly silent, more than enough cooling.  I can 
also run the entire station remotely (have several times, if I want to 
see the from panels, I turn on the Skype video).

Total cost was under $2,000 including a new copy of Win7 (you can buy an 
assembled for much less, but not get serial ports or card reader or all 
the memory or the M.2 SSD).  I applied Rick's Rule of purchases; "Buy 
all you need, plus whatever you THINK you may need at the original time 
of purchase, because the budget will never allow you to upgrade later."  
By using cheaper components (CPU and memory), one could cut this cost 
nearly in half, but once you're in, why not go all the way in (without 
water cooled grossly overclocked speed monsters, stability is critical)?

At some point, I will add a non-mobo video card (the only thing limiting 
this system to less than a perfect OS "score") to run multiple monitors, 
but for now I'm good (have the second monitor on the P3 'scope).

Most folks want Windows as the OS (more choices in software).  The Atom 
will run XP, but it gags early on with a real workload that a station 
can require.  I use that for the IRLP node (Debian linux) which is 
perfect for that (REALLY tiny) computer (have it doing other chores too).

Goals met, this will work for a long time.  When it comes to computing, 
there is no kill like overkill; think big, buy bigger.

HNY, 73,
Rick wa6nhc

On 1/5/2016 10:19 AM, Gordon LaPoint wrote:
> Jerry,
>    An I7 is more than enough processor.   You will want a video card 
> that can driver at least 2 monitors.  You should consider adding real 
> RS232 ports, at least 2 or 4 if you will ever run two radios, and even 
> more if you want to control rotors, amps (KPA-500) or other accessories.
>     I use an FX-6300 3.5Ghz processor with 16Gb of ram and a 250Gb SSD 
> for the boot drive.
> I find that the SSD speeds the system up, I get from a cold boot to 
> ready to run my software in about 10-15 seconds from power on.
>
> Gordon - N1MGO
>
> On 01/05/2016 12:53 PM, Jerry wrote:
>> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm 
>> ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC 
>> just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are 
>> logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>>
>>
>> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 
>> 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire 
>> this). What else do I need in the box in the way of 
>> interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>
>>
>> Jerry, k1tgx
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From cf at cfcorp.com  Tue Jan  5 14:24:55 2016
From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:24:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC??? Real RS-232 ports
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References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>	<568C0929.1010405@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <011f01d147ee$c27fa9b0$477efd10$@com>

I agree with N1MGO,

I've come full circle on this one and am in the process of removing all of
the USB/RS-232 converters in my setup and reinstalling a 4 port card that I
had in an old XP system (drivers work fine).

Determining what is a quality USB/RS-232 serial adapter is not always clear.
There are potential driver issues as well as suspect RF shielding.  Some of
these devices don't enable you to securely connect to both ends (no screw
connections, so the connector is not securely seated).  They are just
another (additional) point of failure.  Plus you are also now dealing with
limitations of USB (re: polling).

The FTDI chipset and drivers seem the most reliable and if you want to take
apart your newly purchased converter, you can determine if the chipset is
counterfeit.

http://hackaday.com/2014/02/19/ft232rl-real-or-fake/

If you need only 1 RS-232 port I would go with a converter, but once you get
above 2, then I think it is a good choice.


73,

Cliff K3LL



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tim
Tucker
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:44 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] suggested PC???

I haven't had used a "real" (old fashioned) serial port on any PC that
controls radio equipment in probably 10 years.  It's really not necessary if
you purchase quality USB/Serial adapters (no fake chipsets) where needed.
The only PC I have with a old-fashioned serial port is an ancient Toshiba
laptop I keep around that runs DOS so I can program old Motorola radios.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You should consider adding real RS232 ports, at least 2 or 4 if you 
> will ever run two radios, and even more if you want to control rotors, 
> amps
> (KPA-500) or other accessories.
>
>>
>>
>
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From w0fm at swbell.net  Tue Jan  5 14:33:05 2016
From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:33:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S, K3s, K3's,
	K3s'....etc.  K3S for the reflector please.
Message-ID: <002d01d147ef$e6c26370$b4472a50$@net>

There are a number of new users on this reflector since the announcement of the K3S transceiver last summer.  Please indulge me a bit of bandwidth to update the newcomers to a request made back then by Wayne.

During the initial announcement of the K3S, we all shared some laughs about how the new rig would be discussed here.  Folks trying to emulate the logo font of the new radio were using a lower case "s" after the K3 (K3s) in discussions here.  The result was a flurry of entertaining posts reflecting K3S, K3Ses, K3s, K3's, K3s' and the confusion it might create.  Singular, plural, possessive....and it drew Wayne's attention.  He commented that there had been discussions within Elecraft about the possible confusion caused by the logo font chosen for the rig.  (Logos need to be *unique* in order to be trademarked, registered, etc.)  It was all good-natured fun but we all understood that confusion could persist.  

Posters continued attempting to replicate the logo design of the K3S here on the reflector and could not do so.  The reason was that the "S" in the stylized K3S logo is also a capital "S" but of a smaller size font.  There is only one size capital "S" font available on this reflector, so Wayne jumped in and requested that members of the reflector refer to the new rig as the K3S, not K3s (K3 capital "S" *not* K3 lower case "s") in an effort to minimize confusion. 

Standardization of that nomenclature for the sake of clarity on this reflector would be a big help.

Happy New Year!   


73, Terry  W0FM






From n6lrv at outlook.com  Tue Jan  5 14:40:43 2016
From: n6lrv at outlook.com (n6lrv at outlook.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:40:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
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Jerry,
in contrast to some of the feedback RS-232 serial ports are 
still readily available on many brand name computers today including 
laptops, desktops, towers, and rack mount PCs. I regularly purchase and 
set up many for my employer. 

While many USB-to-serial converters
 and their drivers work well (especially FTDI) I still suggest including
 a native (built-in) serial port in your computer wish list. They are 
hardware based, generally OS independent, and do not require 
OS-compatible drivers.

And if you have any confusion over USB 2.0
 vs. 3.0, USB 3.0 is backwards compatible and should support any USB 2.0
 device. The 3.0 compliant ports can also supply a little more DC 
current as well.
Gary

> From: jerry at molaver.org
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:53:14 +0000
> Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
> 
> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
> 
> 
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
> 
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
> 
> 
> Jerry, k1tgx
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From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 14:41:24 2016
From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:41:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Only you can decide how much PC you need to do what you want to do. If you
are just control and logging you can get by with 2-4G of RAM and a fairly
modest 160 gig disk drive, and a dual core. Even though the K3s has the USB
port I would still get something that would allow you to add one or more
real serial port via some flavor of PCI. You never know...

A more economical approach is to get a refurbished PC. I currently use a
refurbished HP with an added 8 port serial card for my RTTY work (I like
hardware modems...). I think it cost me $200 for the PC at the time. And I
recently purchased another one for my company that came with Win7 64-bit
Pro, for just $75. I use tigerdirect.com but there are many such vendors to
choose from.

Have fun! 73 jeff wk6i

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Jerry <jerry at molaver.org> wrote:

> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to
> interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in
> the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control
> of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>
>
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb
> SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What
> else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a
> large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>
>
> Jerry, k1tgx
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan  5 14:55:48 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:55:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <568C1FC4.3060602@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

Put some real RS-232 serial ports in it.  USB is fine for some things, 
but there are times you want a serial port and USB to serial adapters 
can sometimes be finicky.

I would limit the memory to 4 GB if it were mine, and yes, I have a 
tower computer that I have dedicated to the hamshack.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2016 12:53 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>
>
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>
>
> Jerry, k1tgx
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Tue Jan  5 15:12:02 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
Message-ID: <39wmjir1f70dj5gqoejxicnj.1452024722590@email.android.com>

IMHO, I would suggest an it with 8gb of ram so your suggested system is quite adequate. Pretty well all systems come with 8gb or more these days and if you want to use a software Panadapter you will have better performance in the long run with more memory.As to the serial ports being real or not....I have about 14 serial ports on my system. I have an edgeport usb converter that has 8 rs232 connections. It generally considered that this is one of the better setups.However, I have never had ANY issues with USB to serial adapters on my systems. I have had issues with the edge port when I had rf ?in the shack. It would effectively lock up and only a power cycle of the computer would fix it. It is a driver issue, blue screen...IMHO, and I have quite a bit of experience with serial ports, USB to serial adapters are fine. Just get some decent quality ones, based on the ftdi chip set.73 Tom


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> Date: 2016-01-05  2:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Jerry <jerry at molaver.org>, Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] suggested PC??? 
Jerry,

Put some real RS-232 serial ports in it.? USB is fine for some things, 
but there are times you want a serial port and USB to serial adapters 
can sometimes be finicky.

I would limit the memory to 4 GB if it were mine, and yes, I have a 
tower computer that I have dedicated to the hamshack.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2016 12:53 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>
>
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>
>
> Jerry, k1tgx
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From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 15:33:44 2016
From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:33:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S on RTTY
Message-ID: <CAH0gZcbH5zGLc1v6C01G3Li8CqwjKfBwOjXgJVsPT4QCzD4MbQ@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen much here on the subject so I thought I would share my
experience from this past weekend in the RTTY Roundup.

We recently upgraded our multi-radio setup with two new K3S-es. Both were
operated in FSK-D mode, one at the 2125/2295 tones, and the other at
1445/1615. (That helps me sort them out in the headphones quicker.)

Both rigs get the FSK via the ACC port. One rig gets FSK via a Microham
box, the other by FSK cables with level shifters built by me.

I use Writelog as my contest logger in the mode that allows the K3 and K3S
sub Rx to appear as a second radio.

The K3S-es were connected via the USB interface. I used the K3S internal
sound card on both rigs. And the P3s were connected accordingly with the
special cable.

I have to say that - other than that one weirdness with the VFO B cursor I
posted about the other day - everything ran flawlessly. The internal sound
card decoded at least as well as my external cards do.

One thing I especially had my eye on was interference between the stations.
We run full power and we have experienced wideband interference between
20/40 and 40/80 RTTY that no amount of filtering seemed to conquer.

I'm happy to report that the interference is substantially reduced with the
new KSYN3A on board. I used to have to pick my transmitting spots very
carefully to avoid "bad zones" but now it is almost a non issue. (Woo hoo!)

Also, and this of course is subjective, but QRM from neighboring stations
also seemed to be substantially reduced. At least, I didn't have to QSY as
much as I usually do to get away from someone's gudge. I'll have a better
sense for this after a few more events.

73 jeff wk6i

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 15:38:43 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:38:43 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
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I put together a new Windows PC about 2 years ago. The single component 
that seems to have made the biggest difference is a 250 GB solid-state 
drive (SSD). The computer boots in about 20 seconds (OK, the I7 
processor helps too), which is important to me since I don't like to 
leave it on all the time. I also got a 1 TB conventional drive which I 
use for backups.
One good thing about assembling a computer from components is that you 
can install the OS without all the junk that the manufacturers like to 
gum it up with.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/


Vic

On 5 Jan 2016 19:53, Jerry wrote:
> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm
> ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC
> just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are
> logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>
>
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a
> 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire
> this). What else do I need in the box in the way of
> interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>
>
> Jerry, k1tgx
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From neilz at techie.com  Tue Jan  5 16:50:21 2016
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:50:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website
Message-ID: <568C3A9D.20703@techie.com>

Hi all ...

I keep seeing people talk about having problems with the Elecraft 
website.  It is NOT AN ELECRAFT problem.   As many have pointed out, it 
is a VERIZON problem.   Posting here will not do any additional good.   
Contact VERIZON ... if everyone did that, it would cause them to raise 
the issue to a higher priority.

73

Neil Zampella
KN3ILZ

From kevinr at coho.net  Tue Jan  5 16:54:53 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:54:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
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I built two new boxes last year.  One of them is an Ubuntu headless 
server and the other an 8 core box running Win7.  The 8 core box only 
has 16 GB of memory at present but I'll fill the board later this year.  
It is very nice to have serial ports available.  If the motherboard did 
not have one installed I would just add a board to supply it.

However, the Win7 64 bit install gave me one problem: I could no longer 
run my favorite CAD app on the machine.  So after a few months of trying 
other (lesser) CAD apps I installed Virtual Box. Now I have six OSes 
installed; I just pick which VM (virtual machine) to boot and run from 
that.  With shared folders across the network I can use my 16 bit app 
under a 64 bit OS to do part of my work.  By using the VMs I don't need 
to install virus protection for those OSes because they all boot "as 
new" when I instantiate them.

Virtual machines on a network of Samba servers makes for a system which 
does all the things I need to do without a lot of hassle.  I can run a 
Win7 VM with only the tools I need for any specific job then start 
another Win7 VM with other tools to do another specific job.  The 
installed VMs work across the network on my other Win7 system seamlessly.

The biggest problem with my system is remembering which window is 
running which OS :) since I also administer the Linux boxes remotely 
with putty.  Different background colors helps me keep them straight though.
     Good luck with your prospective build,
         Kevin.  KD5ONS

On 1/5/2016 12:38 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> I put together a new Windows PC about 2 years ago. The single 
> component that seems to have made the biggest difference is a 250 GB 
> solid-state drive (SSD). The computer boots in about 20 seconds (OK, 
> the I7 processor helps too), which is important to me since I don't 
> like to leave it on all the time. I also got a 1 TB conventional drive 
> which I use for backups.
> One good thing about assembling a computer from components is that you 
> can install the OS without all the junk that the manufacturers like to 
> gum it up with.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
>
> Vic
>
> On 5 Jan 2016 19:53, Jerry wrote:
>> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm
>> ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC
>> just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are
>> logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>>
>>
>> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a
>> 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire
>> this). What else do I need in the box in the way of
>> interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>
>>
>> Jerry, k1tgx
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
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>> mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
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From k0dxv at aol.com  Tue Jan  5 17:03:30 2016
From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:03:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
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FTDI USB to serial adapters work on ALL platforms - without exception.  
There simply is no reason to worry about "native" RS232 interfaces.

An i7 to run a computer for a station is massive overkill.  I use an 
Intel i3 NUC (4"x4"x2") with an SSD drive and 8 gigs of ram. Everything 
runs just fine, including dual monitors.  Unless you're planning on 
running an SDR, there really isn't a lot of reason to have a lot of 
computing power for your station computer.  Logging, computer control, 
digital modes and just about everything else hardly even challenges the 
most basic computer platform today.

Only specialized computers (like point of sale) come with built-in 
RS-232 ports.  Most off-the-self boxes don't include them because they 
are, at a consumer level, obsolete.

Even if you build your own, finding a motherboard with actual serial 
ports will greatly limit your choice.

I have found the AMD FX-series processors to be an excellent value and 
use them in a basic gaming box I build for people.  (For example, AMD 
FX-6300 is a powerful 6-core processor for $100 from Amazon).

Could not find a single main-brand that comes with a serial port as 
standard.  Wouldn't worry about it.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 1/5/2016 12:40 PM, n6lrv at outlook.com wrote:
> Jerry,
> in contrast to some of the feedback RS-232 serial ports are
> still readily available on many brand name computers today including
> laptops, desktops, towers, and rack mount PCs. I regularly purchase and
> set up many for my employer.
>
> While many USB-to-serial converters
>   and their drivers work well (especially FTDI) I still suggest including
>   a native (built-in) serial port in your computer wish list. They are
> hardware based, generally OS independent, and do not require
> OS-compatible drivers.
>
> And if you have any confusion over USB 2.0
>   vs. 3.0, USB 3.0 is backwards compatible and should support any USB 2.0
>   device. The 3.0 compliant ports can also supply a little more DC
> current as well.
> Gary
>
>> From: jerry at molaver.org
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:53:14 +0000
>> Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>>
>> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>>
>>
>> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>
>>
>> Jerry, k1tgx
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From k0dxv at aol.com  Tue Jan  5 17:32:38 2016
From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:32:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC??? Real RS-232 ports
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A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus add 
on.  There no difference between running 1 or 4 USB to RS-232 
converters.  You can buy a 4 port FTDI converter that runs off a single 
USB port from Amazon that will run everything you could ever want.  I 
run 80's vintage lab equipment off them and they don't know the difference.

Also, don't get Windows 7 or 8.  Windows 10 is the only choice for 
Windows.  7 and 8 are obsolete and support will get lighter and lighter 
and then vanish completely.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 1/5/2016 12:24 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:
> I agree with N1MGO,
>
> I've come full circle on this one and am in the process of removing all of
> the USB/RS-232 converters in my setup and reinstalling a 4 port card that I
> had in an old XP system (drivers work fine).
>
> Determining what is a quality USB/RS-232 serial adapter is not always clear.
> There are potential driver issues as well as suspect RF shielding.  Some of
> these devices don't enable you to securely connect to both ends (no screw
> connections, so the connector is not securely seated).  They are just
> another (additional) point of failure.  Plus you are also now dealing with
> limitations of USB (re: polling).
>
> The FTDI chipset and drivers seem the most reliable and if you want to take
> apart your newly purchased converter, you can determine if the chipset is
> counterfeit.
>
> http://hackaday.com/2014/02/19/ft232rl-real-or-fake/
>
> If you need only 1 RS-232 port I would go with a converter, but once you get
> above 2, then I think it is a good choice.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Cliff K3LL
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tim
> Tucker
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:44 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>
> I haven't had used a "real" (old fashioned) serial port on any PC that
> controls radio equipment in probably 10 years.  It's really not necessary if
> you purchase quality USB/Serial adapters (no fake chipsets) where needed.
> The only PC I have with a old-fashioned serial port is an ancient Toshiba
> laptop I keep around that runs DOS so I can program old Motorola radios.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You should consider adding real RS232 ports, at least 2 or 4 if you
>> will ever run two radios, and even more if you want to control rotors,
>> amps
>> (KPA-500) or other accessories.
>>
>>>
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From wes at triconet.org  Tue Jan  5 17:41:41 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:41:41 -0700
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That's the way I see it. I have a Lenovo T400 laptop running Win 7 Home with a 
core 2 duo P8400 @2.2 GHz with 4 GB of RAM. I slapped in a 128G SSD and put the 
original HD in a caddy in the CD drive slot.  Runs everything, USB 
keyboard/mouse, SDR-IQ, K3S, DXBase, MMTTY, external monitor, etc.  Don't see 
what the fuss is about.

To run my SDR-Kits VNWA in the field I found an old HP Elitebook in a thrift 
store for $100.  It had Win 7 Pro installed and a good battery.  I went all out 
and put in a 256G SSD and reloaded 7 Pro.  It too will run everything.  After 
getting nagged enough by Microsoft I figured I'd try Win 10 on it.  Installed 
fine although the start menu was hosed (common problem apparently)   I don't 
care as I still run the 10 year old "Classic Menu" using Classic Shell.

(I can remember running a whole room full of HP test equipment with HP-IB and a 
HP9836 computer running HP Basic with 256 K of RAM, or in HP jargon, a "Quarter 
Pounder".  A 1 MB card was a "Big Mac" and required a Division manager's 
signature to buy)

On 1/5/2016 3:03 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> FTDI USB to serial adapters work on ALL platforms - without exception. There 
> simply is no reason to worry about "native" RS232 interfaces.
>
> An i7 to run a computer for a station is massive overkill.  I use an Intel i3 
> NUC (4"x4"x2") with an SSD drive and 8 gigs of ram. Everything runs just fine, 
> including dual monitors.  Unless you're planning on running an SDR, there 
> really isn't a lot of reason to have a lot of computing power for your station 
> computer.  Logging, computer control, digital modes and just about everything 
> else hardly even challenges the most basic computer platform today.


From lists at subich.com  Tue Jan  5 17:54:17 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:54:17 -0500
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On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus
> add on.

*Absolutely incorrect*.  A USB to serial converter *of any kind* -
other than the Edgeport products - can not do 45.45, 50, 75 or 100
baud RTTY.  All of the multi-port RS-232 PCI and PCIe cards handle
that task with no problem (although Windows will set 45.45 baud to
45 baud because the API is integer based).

PCI and PCIe based serial and parallel port cards are true memory
addressed ports like motherboard or (obsolete) ISA bus ports - not
USB devices that suffer from latency and driver buffer issues.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus add
> on.  There no difference between running 1 or 4 USB to RS-232
> converters.  You can buy a 4 port FTDI converter that runs off a single
> USB port from Amazon that will run everything you could ever want.  I
> run 80's vintage lab equipment off them and they don't know the difference.
>
> Also, don't get Windows 7 or 8.  Windows 10 is the only choice for
> Windows.  7 and 8 are obsolete and support will get lighter and lighter
> and then vanish completely.
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
>
> On 1/5/2016 12:24 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:
>> I agree with N1MGO,
>>
>> I've come full circle on this one and am in the process of removing
>> all of
>> the USB/RS-232 converters in my setup and reinstalling a 4 port card
>> that I
>> had in an old XP system (drivers work fine).
>>
>> Determining what is a quality USB/RS-232 serial adapter is not always
>> clear.
>> There are potential driver issues as well as suspect RF shielding.
>> Some of
>> these devices don't enable you to securely connect to both ends (no screw
>> connections, so the connector is not securely seated).  They are just
>> another (additional) point of failure.  Plus you are also now dealing
>> with
>> limitations of USB (re: polling).
>>
>> The FTDI chipset and drivers seem the most reliable and if you want to
>> take
>> apart your newly purchased converter, you can determine if the chipset is
>> counterfeit.
>>
>> http://hackaday.com/2014/02/19/ft232rl-real-or-fake/
>>
>> If you need only 1 RS-232 port I would go with a converter, but once
>> you get
>> above 2, then I think it is a good choice.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Cliff K3LL
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tim
>> Tucker
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:44 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>>
>> I haven't had used a "real" (old fashioned) serial port on any PC that
>> controls radio equipment in probably 10 years.  It's really not
>> necessary if
>> you purchase quality USB/Serial adapters (no fake chipsets) where needed.
>> The only PC I have with a old-fashioned serial port is an ancient Toshiba
>> laptop I keep around that runs DOS so I can program old Motorola radios.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Gordon LaPoint
>> <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You should consider adding real RS232 ports, at least 2 or 4 if you
>>> will ever run two radios, and even more if you want to control rotors,
>>> amps
>>> (KPA-500) or other accessories.
>>>
>>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> delivered to cf at cfcorp.com
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>>
>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan  5 18:13:35 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:13:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC??? Real RS-232 ports
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I agree with Joe. A 2-port Edgeport provides two good RS-232 ports for 
SO2R operation with my very new T540 Thinkpad.  It, and another Thinkpad 
bought around the same time, are the first I've ever owned that didn't 
have a hardware serial port either on the chassis or on a port 
replicator/docking station.  My older laptops have PCMCIA slots, which 
accept excellent cards that provide 2 hardware  RS-232 ports. They've 
been on a LOT of Field Days and California QSO Party county expeditions.

In today's world, 8 GB and an i7 processor is pretty much minimum; it 
runs four RTTY decoders (two on each of two radios for SO2R) 
simultaneously without any problem. I've added solid state drives to two 
laptops, and it's really speeded them up nicely.  One, a T61 Thinkpad, 
is 8 years old!

A local ham who makes his living doing IT for small biz, do  NOT 
recommend Win10, because it has a nasty habit of uninstalling software 
that it doesn't like. I'm sticking win Win7 until it dies.

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,1/5/2016 2:54 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus
>> add on.
>
> *Absolutely incorrect*.  A USB to serial converter *of any kind* -
> other than the Edgeport products - can not do 45.45, 50, 75 or 100
> baud RTTY.  All of the multi-port RS-232 PCI and PCIe cards handle
> that task with no problem (although Windows will set 45.45 baud to
> 45 baud because the API is integer based).
>
> PCI and PCIe based serial and parallel port cards are true memory
> addressed ports like motherboard or (obsolete) ISA bus ports - not
> USB devices that suffer from latency and driver buffer issues.


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan  5 18:24:24 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:24:24 -0500
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	<CALuSmOf_=CxA4DbjL9JFfV4gntU++FbkuQp86B6F2OmDwFjzXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<011f01d147ee$c27fa9b0$477efd10$@com> <568C4486.1040401@aol.com>
	<568C4999.8000600@subich.com>
Message-ID: <568C50A8.60702@embarqmail.com>

I have to agree with Joe.

If you must use a USB to serial converter for serious all purpose use, 
get an Edgeport product.
There is a difference between a 'converter' and an 'adapter'.  Most USB 
to serial devices available in the consumer market are 'adapters' - the 
Edgeport was directed at the commercial market where many different 
terminal devices need to be supported.  It advertizes itself as a 
'converter' rather than an adapter.  I have a 4 port model and it has 
never failed to perform as expected, although I prefer to use real 
serial ports if possible.

Whether the serial card is plugged into an ISA bus, a PCI bus, or 
whatever kind of PC bus architecture, that bus is just a means of 
getting addressing and data to the card.  It is not an "add-on".

USB to serial adapters may work fine for many applications, but some 
have trouble with the slower data rate of the K2 (4800 bps). Usually the 
FTDI adapters will work, but some have problems at lower data rates.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2016 5:54 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus
>> add on.
>
> *Absolutely incorrect*.  A USB to serial converter *of any kind* -
> other than the Edgeport products - can not do 45.45, 50, 75 or 100
> baud RTTY.


From WB4SON at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 18:32:06 2016
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fios and Elecraft Website Access
In-Reply-To: <4D4C1DB9-10D0-4BCF-B852-4CB026462CD5@n6lew.us>
References: <CAGPmaRdVzO1o+0-h0Nw+JzqQFsGSNXcBNnC3Q7JLEG8NYJ6oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568AB5B6.5070205@elecraft.com>
	<4D4C1DB9-10D0-4BCF-B852-4CB026462CD5@n6lew.us>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ8iNjm8QrBLW=MRsRPD3mOB2ay5Ci0bP6xEh+0b83xqhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Still out in Rhode Island Verizon FIOS even after clearing local DNS cache.

Not a huge deal, I can use my AT&T hotspot to get in (although that was out
last week too), but it's been this way for about a week.  It comes/goes.
Sometimes I can get to it.  Other times I can't.  It probably is an issue
with Verizon, but it sure isn't getting resolved.

GL

73, Bob, WB4SON




On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Lewis Phelps <lew at n6lew.us> wrote:

> For anyone with a Mac who needs to flush their Domain Name Server cache,
> here are the instructions for OS X 10.10.4 or newer:
>
> 1. Open Terminal.app
> 2. On the command line enter:
>
> sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder
>
> 3. Exit Terminal..app
>
> To do the same thing in older versions of OS X, see:
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202516 <
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202516>
>
> 73
>
> Lew N6LEW
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
> eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you are still having problems, you may need to flush the local DNS
> cache of old internet routing records on your PC. This can be done easily
> via the command window in Windows.
> >
>
> Lew Phelps N6LEW
> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
> Yaesu FT-7800
> Lew at N6LEW.US
> www.n6lew.us
>
> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put
> together will fall apart.
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From nn6ee at icloud.com  Tue Jan  5 18:36:50 2016
From: nn6ee at icloud.com (Jim Davis)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:36:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION IN THE NEW RIG FROM ELECRAFT.....
Message-ID: <4b49a20b-47ea-439f-9b58-6480f1d2b1cd@me.com>

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE "K4", then NONE of this other mundane garbage on the "Reflector" would have CAUSED ANGST among the "Troops!!!".

From emoss98133 at msn.com  Tue Jan  5 18:54:40 2016
From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:54:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3   upgrade ?
Message-ID: <1452038080978-7612335.post@n2.nabble.com>

I see that on the Elecrafts web site that the Main DSP board up grade for the
K3 was to be available at the end of last year.

I'm still waiting price and availabilty...

Ed    KD7PY    ex K7WIA




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From davidlago at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 18:59:41 2016
From: davidlago at gmail.com (David Lago)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:59:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fios and Elecraft Website Access
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ8iNjm8QrBLW=MRsRPD3mOB2ay5Ci0bP6xEh+0b83xqhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPmaRdVzO1o+0-h0Nw+JzqQFsGSNXcBNnC3Q7JLEG8NYJ6oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568AB5B6.5070205@elecraft.com>
	<4D4C1DB9-10D0-4BCF-B852-4CB026462CD5@n6lew.us>
	<CAPonRZ8iNjm8QrBLW=MRsRPD3mOB2ay5Ci0bP6xEh+0b83xqhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABOZ8TLr=0vPhDDAMnUxjAhizOSB3EG=F1KkwOcEWT61hQnvKQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm experiencing the same problem here in Rockville MD (also a Verizon FIOS
customer), even after the DNS flush. I found a workaround though... if I
use the Tor browser (https://www.torproject.org/). Tor routes your
connection hopping through different countries to achieve anonymity, but a
nice side effect is that elecraft.com is reached via some other providers
and not through FIOS directly.

The bigger issue persists though... hope that Verizon fixes this soon and
that Elecraft sales don't take a hit because of it.

73,
David, K3EDU

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 6:32 PM Bob <WB4SON at gmail.com> wrote:

> Still out in Rhode Island Verizon FIOS even after clearing local DNS cache.
>
> Not a huge deal, I can use my AT&T hotspot to get in (although that was out
> last week too), but it's been this way for about a week.  It comes/goes.
> Sometimes I can get to it.  Other times I can't.  It probably is an issue
> with Verizon, but it sure isn't getting resolved.
>
> GL
>
> 73, Bob, WB4SON
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Lewis Phelps <lew at n6lew.us> wrote:
>
> > For anyone with a Mac who needs to flush their Domain Name Server cache,
> > here are the instructions for OS X 10.10.4 or newer:
> >
> > 1. Open Terminal.app
> > 2. On the command line enter:
> >
> > sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder
> >
> > 3. Exit Terminal..app
> >
> > To do the same thing in older versions of OS X, see:
> >
> > https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202516 <
> > https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202516>
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Lew N6LEW
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
> > eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you are still having problems, you may need to flush the local DNS
> > cache of old internet routing records on your PC. This can be done easily
> > via the command window in Windows.
> > >
> >
> > Lew Phelps N6LEW
> > Pasadena, CA DM04wd
> > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
> > Yaesu FT-7800
> > Lew at N6LEW.US
> > www.n6lew.us
> >
> > Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put
> > together will fall apart.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > Message delivered to wb4son at gmail.com
> >
> ______________________________________________________________
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>

From wb4jfi at knology.net  Tue Jan  5 19:07:06 2016
From: wb4jfi at knology.net (WB4JFI)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:07:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC??? Real RS-232 ports
In-Reply-To: <568C4999.8000600@subich.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C0929.1010405@gmail.com>
	<CALuSmOf_=CxA4DbjL9JFfV4gntU++FbkuQp86B6F2OmDwFjzXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<011f01d147ee$c27fa9b0$477efd10$@com>
	<568C4486.1040401@aol.com> <568C4999.8000600@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1C4D4E35-F382-4061-AA6A-7747E6BB4DB1@knology.net>

Original serial and parallel ports on the original IBM backplane were I/O port mapped, not memory mapped.  There were discrepancies between port numbers between the true IBM I/O port numbers and "clones".  Ports 3F8 and 2F8 for COM1 and 2, 3E8 and 2E8 for COM3 and 4.   On a true original IBM, the first parallel port was 3BC, while most clones used 378 for the first parallel port.  Note that these are input/output mapped, NOT memory mapped.

I'm not sure that PCI and PCIe serial and parallel port devices are truly I/O mapped (probably not), or memory mapped, but in either case, they are not true serial or parallel hardware devices, but something that emulates them.  PCIe is itself a high-speed serial interface, so there must be some interpretation.    

Of course, even the older ISA cards ended up using ASIC devices to emulate serial and parallel ports, but that was hardware based.
73, Terry, N4TLF

Sent from tfox iPad

> On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus
>> add on.
> 
> *Absolutely incorrect*.  A USB to serial converter *of any kind* -
> other than the Edgeport products - can not do 45.45, 50, 75 or 100
> baud RTTY.  All of the multi-port RS-232 PCI and PCIe cards handle
> that task with no problem (although Windows will set 45.45 baud to
> 45 baud because the API is integer based).
> 
> PCI and PCIe based serial and parallel port cards are true memory
> addressed ports like motherboard or (obsolete) ISA bus ports - not
> USB devices that suffer from latency and driver buffer issues.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus add
>> on.  There no difference between running 1 or 4 USB to RS-232
>> converters.  You can buy a 4 port FTDI converter that runs off a single
>> USB port from Amazon that will run everything you could ever want.  I
>> run 80's vintage lab equipment off them and they don't know the difference.
>> 
>> Also, don't get Windows 7 or 8.  Windows 10 is the only choice for
>> Windows.  7 and 8 are obsolete and support will get lighter and lighter
>> and then vanish completely.
>> 
>> Doug -- K0DXV
>> 
>>> On 1/5/2016 12:24 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:
>>> I agree with N1MGO,
>>> 
>>> I've come full circle on this one and am in the process of removing
>>> all of
>>> the USB/RS-232 converters in my setup and reinstalling a 4 port card
>>> that I

From jerry at molaver.org  Tue Jan  5 19:16:35 2016
From: jerry at molaver.org (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 00:16:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PC suggestions
Message-ID: <BLUPR02MB1138736D53C80E34146B4E98B6F40@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Many thanks to all that replied to my query. I have enough info now to feel pretty confident in building up a PC for the shack - without worrying that I forgot something :)

73
Jerry, k1tgx

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan  5 19:24:09 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:24:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC??? Real RS-232 ports
In-Reply-To: <1C4D4E35-F382-4061-AA6A-7747E6BB4DB1@knology.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C0929.1010405@gmail.com>
	<CALuSmOf_=CxA4DbjL9JFfV4gntU++FbkuQp86B6F2OmDwFjzXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<011f01d147ee$c27fa9b0$477efd10$@com> <568C4486.1040401@aol.com>
	<568C4999.8000600@subich.com>
	<1C4D4E35-F382-4061-AA6A-7747E6BB4DB1@knology.net>
Message-ID: <568C5EA9.5050500@elecraft.com>

Folks - we're getting pretty OT. Lets wind this thread down at this time in the 
interest of keeping the signal to noise level reasonable for other readers.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/5/2016 4:07 PM, WB4JFI wrote:
> Original serial and parallel ports on the original IBM backplane were I/O port mapped, not memory mapped.  There were discrepancies between port numbers between the true IBM I/O port numbers and "clones".  Ports 3F8 and 2F8 for COM1 and 2, 3E8 and 2E8 for COM3 and 4.   On a true original IBM, the first parallel port was 3BC, while most clones used 378 for the first parallel port.  Note that these are input/output mapped, NOT memory mapped.
>
> I'm not sure that PCI and PCIe serial and parallel port devices are truly I/O mapped (probably not), or memory mapped, but in either case, they are not true serial or parallel hardware devices, but something that emulates them.  PCIe is itself a high-speed serial interface, so there must be some interpretation.
>
> Of course, even the older ISA cards ended up using ASIC devices to emulate serial and parallel ports, but that was hardware based.
> 73, Terry, N4TLF
>
> Sent from tfox iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>>> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus
>>> add on.
>> *Absolutely incorrect*.  A USB to serial converter *of any kind* -
>> other than the Edgeport products - can not do 45.45, 50, 75 or 100
>> baud RTTY.  All of the multi-port RS-232 PCI and PCIe cards handle
>> that task with no problem (although Windows will set 45.45 baud to
>> 45 baud because the API is integer based).
>>
>> PCI and PCIe based serial and parallel port cards are true memory
>> addressed ports like motherboard or (obsolete) ISA bus ports - not
>> USB devices that suffer from latency and driver buffer issues.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>> On 1/5/2016 5:32 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>>> A 4-port card is NOT a native RS-232 port. PCI is just another bus add
>>> on.  There no difference between running 1 or 4 USB to RS-232
>>> converters.  You can buy a 4 port FTDI converter that runs off a single
>>> USB port from Amazon that will run everything you could ever want.  I
>>> run 80's vintage lab equipment off them and they don't know the difference.
>>>
>>> Also, don't get Windows 7 or 8.  Windows 10 is the only choice for
>>> Windows.  7 and 8 are obsolete and support will get lighter and lighter
>>> and then vanish completely.
>>>
>>> Doug -- K0DXV
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2016 12:24 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:
>>>> I agree with N1MGO,
>>>>
>>>> I've come full circle on this one and am in the process of removing
>>>> all of
>>>> the USB/RS-232 converters in my setup and reinstalling a 4 port card
>>>> that I
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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan  5 19:27:11 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:27:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fios and Elecraft Website Access
In-Reply-To: <CABOZ8TLr=0vPhDDAMnUxjAhizOSB3EG=F1KkwOcEWT61hQnvKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPmaRdVzO1o+0-h0Nw+JzqQFsGSNXcBNnC3Q7JLEG8NYJ6oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568AB5B6.5070205@elecraft.com>
	<4D4C1DB9-10D0-4BCF-B852-4CB026462CD5@n6lew.us>
	<CAPonRZ8iNjm8QrBLW=MRsRPD3mOB2ay5Ci0bP6xEh+0b83xqhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABOZ8TLr=0vPhDDAMnUxjAhizOSB3EG=F1KkwOcEWT61hQnvKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568C5F5F.1050005@elecraft.com>

Its driving us crazy here too. Verizon has acknowledged the problem and is 
working with our ISP to resolve it for them. (Hopefully soon!)

I'll post here as soon as there is a resolution.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/5/2016 3:59 PM, David Lago wrote:
> I'm experiencing the same problem here in Rockville MD (also a Verizon FIOS
> customer), even after the DNS flush. I found a workaround though... if I
> use the Tor browser (https://www.torproject.org/). Tor routes your
> connection hopping through different countries to achieve anonymity, but a
> nice side effect is that elecraft.com is reached via some other providers
> and not through FIOS directly.
>
> The bigger issue persists though... hope that Verizon fixes this soon and
> that Elecraft sales don't take a hit because of it.
>
> 73,
> David, K3EDU
>
>


From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 20:14:17 2016
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:14:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com>

Hi Jerry,

Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired network 
when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.

Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, router, 
modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the PCs), and the 
Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by the road.  When I 
rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have never 
regretted it.



On 1/5/2016 11:53 AM, Jerry wrote:
> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>
>
> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire this). What else do I need in the box in the way of interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>
>
> Jerry, k1tgx
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
>
> -- 
> 73,
>
> Gary K9GS
>
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> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>
> ************************************************

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jan  5 20:21:35 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:21:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <568C6C1F.7050709@blomand.net>

While everything in my shack is wireless.......almost, I do have a USB 
cable between the laptop computer and K3S.    What is the recommendation 
to make / convert the K3S port to wireless?

73
Bob K4TAX

On 1/5/2016 7:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have 
> never regretted it.



From k6crcus at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 20:35:48 2016
From: k6crcus at gmail.com (Randy Cook)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:35:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
Message-ID: <E2DA3694-1972-439C-A7C3-F5943A6AD25B@gmail.com>

Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, blown updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home to a 5 year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will probably run forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station control/logging, but others have their favorite. 
As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old and I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 year old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of it. 

73

Randy Cook - K6CRC
k6crcus at gmail.com





From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 20:37:25 2016
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <568C6C1F.7050709@blomand.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568C6C1F.7050709@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <568C6FD5.7090706@wi.rr.com>

I probably should have worded that better.  All of my COMPUTER 
connections to my network are wireless.  My K3, WinKey, etc are cabled 
to the hamshack PC.



On 1/5/2016 7:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> While everything in my shack is wireless.......almost, I do have a USB 
> cable between the laptop computer and K3S.    What is the 
> recommendation to make / convert the K3S port to wireless?
>
> 73
> Bob K4TAX
>
> On 1/5/2016 7:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>> When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have 
>> never regretted it.
>
>
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>
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>
> ************************************************

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jan  5 20:43:25 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:43:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <568C6FD5.7090706@wi.rr.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568C6C1F.7050709@blomand.net>
	<568C6FD5.7090706@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <568C713D.7040501@blomand.net>

OK thanks.   I'm wireless with both of the laptops, wireless to the 
printer, and to the house control systems.  Just the radio connected via 
wire to the computer.

73
Bob, K4TAX


On 1/5/2016 7:37 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> I probably should have worded that better.  All of my COMPUTER 
> connections to my network are wireless.  My K3, WinKey, etc are cabled 
> to the hamshack PC



From k8tb at bosscher.org  Tue Jan  5 20:52:12 2016
From: k8tb at bosscher.org (Tom)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Would like to buy a used K3/0
In-Reply-To: <E9FFF64D-3D13-4851-B7B8-7ABDB4439CE5@metacosmos.org>
References: <E9FFF64D-3D13-4851-B7B8-7ABDB4439CE5@metacosmos.org>
Message-ID: <568C734C.5020608@bosscher.org>

Hello,

I've been running my remote base K3 using HRD attached to a pair of 
remote rigs. I would like to find a used K3/0, either the mini or the 
full size one.

Email me direct please.

Thank you

Tom K8TB



From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 21:26:58 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 02:26:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <E2DA3694-1972-439C-A7C3-F5943A6AD25B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <emf6982088-fbc8-44d9-ba4a-12bb7ecaca86@barry-laptop2>

Randy,
     I seriously do not recommend this approach. I have been working with 
a friend who has been working on a Mac Mini, actually he has two. He has 
been trying to do an integrated station using HRD, FLDIGI, and a few 
other things. These are Windows based and he has been using Boot Camp to 
get to Windows. He discovered that there are driver issues and a few 
other things the prevent easy set up to do what he wants. And to 
compound the insult, his second Mac Mini does does not set up like his 
first.

     Most of the really good software that makes for full integration 
easy has been written for a Windows platform. As this is the case, I 
suggest an I5 with lots of memory running Windows 10. In the end, this 
is cost effective and will keep your blood pressure in bounds. As an 
illustration, I run Win4K3 for radio control and spectrum display, 
Com0com for port replication, Hamradio Deluxe for general logging and 
uploading to eQSL and LoTW, CW Skimmer. I switch out CW Skimmer for 
FLDIGI, and during a contest, I use N1MM+ in place of HRD. My experience 
has taught me to not use an Apple base system for this situation. 
However, there are other collections of S/W, but I expect the 
integration my not be as easy.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/5/2016 8:35:48 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???

>Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or 
>MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, blown 
>updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home to a 5 
>year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will probably run 
>forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station control/logging, but others 
>have their favorite.
>As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t 
>need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old and 
>I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 year 
>old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of it.
>
>73
>
>Randy Cook - K6CRC
>k6crcus at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________________
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From ingerassociates at cox.net  Tue Jan  5 21:47:47 2016
From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:47:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale:  Elecraft K2/100
Message-ID: <41D46936003542BA9C62F08B0241D19F@DELLXPS>

I am selling my K2/100 (SN 31XX).  I am not the original builder.  Since
this K2 has a post-3000 serial number, it has the current REV B main board.
All factory recommended mods and updates have been made as well to bring it
up to current Elecraft specs.  The radio includes these upgrade modules: 

*	KPA100 (integrated 100-w RF deck)
*	KAT2 (20-w ATU)
*	KSB2 (SSB module)
*	KAF2 (audio filter and clock)
*	KNB2 (noise blanker)
*	KIO2 (RS-232 interface)

The factory VFO knob has been replaced with an OEM Yaesu knob that
incorporated a finger dimple and a rubber outer ring.  The package also
includes the power cable with Anderson PowerPoles on both ends,  all manuals
and upgrades notes.  I will also include a nice Kenwood MC-43S hand mic, and
the K2-to-PC interface cable.
 
This radio is in very good physical condition, and operates well in all
modes.  Frequency readout is spot on after a 5-minute warmup.  I have photos
available to interested parties.  Price is $775 + shipping.
 
Please contact me offlist at ingerassociates at cox.net.
 
73 de K6SBA
David in Santa Barbara, CA

From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 21:54:45 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:54:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
Message-ID: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>

Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
http://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=145134615022993&w=2

I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY Roundup 
contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour 
contest sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal 
to or better than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, 
including myself, seems to think is very good.  There is a sweet 
spot in the headphone height adjustment, where equal pressure is 
applied above and below the ears, and it feels really super at 
that point, even for an eyeglass wearer like myself.  My ears 
didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and the SB-45 headband has 
nice soft padding that didn't irritate the top of my bald head 
like the CM-500 sometimes does.

Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the CM-500, 
at about half the price.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


.


From b.denley at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 22:02:28 2016
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <emf6982088-fbc8-44d9-ba4a-12bb7ecaca86@barry-laptop2>
References: <emf6982088-fbc8-44d9-ba4a-12bb7ecaca86@barry-laptop2>
Message-ID: <0766A422-3F15-4673-BBBC-A9FCA8E785E9@comcast.net>

My i7 iMac runs Windows 7 as well as OSX.  With 32 Gb of memory, I can run any Windows or Apple applications.  I don't have a K3 but the iMac runs my K2 and FT-950 applications with no issues whatsoever.  I can upgrade to Win 10 for free but I dislike it very much.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Randy,
>    I seriously do not recommend this approach. I have been working with a friend who has been working on a Mac Mini, actually he has two. He has been trying to do an integrated station using HRD, FLDIGI, and a few other things. These are Windows based and he has been using Boot Camp to get to Windows. He discovered that there are driver issues and a few other things the prevent easy set up to do what he wants. And to compound the insult, his second Mac Mini does does not set up like his first.
> 
>    Most of the really good software that makes for full integration easy has been written for a Windows platform. As this is the case, I suggest an I5 with lots of memory running Windows 10. In the end, this is cost effective and will keep your blood pressure in bounds. As an illustration, I run Win4K3 for radio control and spectrum display, Com0com for port replication, Hamradio Deluxe for general logging and uploading to eQSL and LoTW, CW Skimmer. I switch out CW Skimmer for FLDIGI, and during a contest, I use N1MM+ in place of HRD. My experience has taught me to not use an Apple base system for this situation. However, there are other collections of S/W, but I expect the integration my not be as easy.
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 1/5/2016 8:35:48 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
> 
>> Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, blown updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home to a 5 year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will probably run forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station control/logging, but others have their favorite.
>> As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old and I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 year old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of it.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Randy Cook - K6CRC
>> k6crcus at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecra

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 22:27:58 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:27:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <0766A422-3F15-4673-BBBC-A9FCA8E785E9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <em6852b12b-ee2a-41c9-9c4d-826fb15cddbd@barry-laptop2>

Brian,
     Add port replication and NaP3 or Win4K3 and see what happens. Also, 
you don't say how you are running Windows, Boot Camp?? And yes, you 
should upgrade to Windows 10. It runs faster and more reliably than Win7 
and is more secure. It will be upgraded free as new security definitions 
are published and bugs fixed. I don't know what you dislike about Win10, 
but from my view, Microsoft fixed a whole lot of things like an 
incredibly bad GUI from Win8 and has made it easier to roam around and 
find things.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Brian Denley" <b.denley at comcast.net>
To: "Barry LaZar" <k3ndm at comcast.net>
Cc: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/5/2016 10:02:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] suggested PC???

>My i7 iMac runs Windows 7 as well as OSX.  With 32 Gb of memory, I can 
>run any Windows or Apple applications.  I don't have a K3 but the iMac 
>runs my K2 and FT-950 applications with no issues whatsoever.  I can 
>upgrade to Win 10 for free but I dislike it very much.
>
>Brian
>KB1VBF
>Sent from my iPad
>
>>  On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Randy,
>>     I seriously do not recommend this approach. I have been working 
>>with a friend who has been working on a Mac Mini, actually he has two. 
>>He has been trying to do an integrated station using HRD, FLDIGI, and 
>>a few other things. These are Windows based and he has been using Boot 
>>Camp to get to Windows. He discovered that there are driver issues and 
>>a few other things the prevent easy set up to do what he wants. And to 
>>compound the insult, his second Mac Mini does does not set up like his 
>>first.
>>
>>     Most of the really good software that makes for full integration 
>>easy has been written for a Windows platform. As this is the case, I 
>>suggest an I5 with lots of memory running Windows 10. In the end, this 
>>is cost effective and will keep your blood pressure in bounds. As an 
>>illustration, I run Win4K3 for radio control and spectrum display, 
>>Com0com for port replication, Hamradio Deluxe for general logging and 
>>uploading to eQSL and LoTW, CW Skimmer. I switch out CW Skimmer for 
>>FLDIGI, and during a contest, I use N1MM+ in place of HRD. My 
>>experience has taught me to not use an Apple base system for this 
>>situation. However, there are other collections of S/W, but I expect 
>>the integration my not be as easy.
>>
>>  73,
>>  Barry
>>  K3NDM
>>
>>  ------ Original Message ------
>>  From: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>
>>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>  Sent: 1/5/2016 8:35:48 PM
>>  Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>>
>>>  Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or 
>>>MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, blown 
>>>updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home to a 5 
>>>year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will probably run 
>>>forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station control/logging, but others 
>>>have their favorite.
>>>  As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t 
>>>need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old 
>>>and I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 
>>>year old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of 
>>>it.
>>>
>>>  73
>>>
>>>  Randy Cook - K6CRC
>>>  k6crcus at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________________________________________
>>>  Elecraft mailing list
>>>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecra


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Tue Jan  5 22:31:20 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft} K3 keeps going into transmit mode on 80m SSB
Message-ID: <F22510EA9E264751A0AAB50707E3E050@tomsPC>

Hi,
I have a strange issue on my K3.  It keeps going into transmit mode every 1-2 seconds go a split second.  This is only happening on 80m, LSB and if AGC is off.  It doesn?t happen in any other mode or band.  I have disconnected all cables except for the antennas and the 15pin accessory cable.
If I turn AGC on, it goes away.  If I turn it off, it comes back.  Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks, Tom
va2fsq.com

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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  5 22:33:53 2016
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <0766A422-3F15-4673-BBBC-A9FCA8E785E9@comcast.net>
References: <emf6982088-fbc8-44d9-ba4a-12bb7ecaca86@barry-laptop2>
	<0766A422-3F15-4673-BBBC-A9FCA8E785E9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS229930063E8EC6875DDD3EBFAF40@phx.gbl>

Yeah, another Mac user here that easily runs most Windows apps in a VM when needed. I have also used boot camp when the app is critical, for example SDR#. I can not understand the statement that Bootcamp has driver issues as when you run the Bootcamp assistant, it has the drivers put on an memory stick. But either way, when you run BootCamp, Windows just sees an intel based machine, no different than if it was a non Apple hardware device.
I have yet to come across one single ham radio tool / app that didn't run flawlessly in either Parallel's running a Win 7 VM, or as stated above, Bootcamp.
I will state the obvious, when in the Windows side, you are still vulnerable to all of the attacks typically going after MS, Adobe, etc...
Not an endorsement for Apple, but I hate when folks do not recommend a Mac when they probably have never owned one.
-Kevin (KK4YEL) 


No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On Jan 5, 2016, at 22:04, Brian Denley <b.denley at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> My i7 iMac runs Windows 7 as well as OSX.  With 32 Gb of memory, I can run any Windows or Apple applications.  I don't have a K3 but the iMac runs my K2 and FT-950 applications with no issues whatsoever.  I can upgrade to Win 10 for free but I dislike it very much.
> 
> Brian 
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Randy,
>>   I seriously do not recommend this approach. I have been working with a friend who has been working on a Mac Mini, actually he has two. He has been trying to do an integrated station using HRD, FLDIGI, and a few other things. These are Windows based and he has been using Boot Camp to get to Windows. He discovered that there are driver issues and a few other things the prevent easy set up to do what he wants. And to compound the insult, his second Mac Mini does does not set up like his first.
>> 
>>   Most of the really good software that makes for full integration easy has been written for a Windows platform. As this is the case, I suggest an I5 with lots of memory running Windows 10. In the end, this is cost effective and will keep your blood pressure in bounds. As an illustration, I run Win4K3 for radio control and spectrum display, Com0com for port replication, Hamradio Deluxe for general logging and uploading to eQSL and LoTW, CW Skimmer. I switch out CW Skimmer for FLDIGI, and during a contest, I use N1MM+ in place of HRD. My experience has taught me to not use an Apple base system for this situation. However, there are other collections of S/W, but I expect the integration my not be as easy.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Barry
>> K3NDM
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: 1/5/2016 8:35:48 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>> 
>>> Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, blown updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home to a 5 year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will probably run forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station control/logging, but others have their favorite.
>>> As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old and I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 year old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of it.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Randy Cook - K6CRC
>>> k6crcus at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecra
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 22:46:51 2016
From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:46:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <CAK6fA8mC9dK2EEDAWn5frPQBz=omsSVxxU4Tx_Zu+uRV8gTDuw@mail.gmail.com>

For you DXpeditioners, it should be noted that the Koss SB-45 folds up
quite nicely for easier packing.  See the Koss website's photos of them in
the folded up configuration.

https://www.koss.com/headphones/headsets/sb45-824

Thanks for the review of the headset, Dave!

73, Tony K4QE

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
> http://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=145134615022993&w=2
>
> I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY Roundup contest,
> so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour contest sessions this
> past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or better than the Yamaha
> CM-500, which most everyone, including myself, seems to think is very
> good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone height adjustment, where
> equal pressure is applied above and below the ears, and it feels really
> super at that point, even for an eyeglass wearer like myself.  My ears
> didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and the SB-45 headband has nice soft
> padding that didn't irritate the top of my bald head like the CM-500
> sometimes does.
>
> Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the CM-500, at about
> half the price.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> .
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 23:00:40 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 04:00:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <SNT407-EAS229930063E8EC6875DDD3EBFAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <em937feb5a-290d-4adf-87c8-12e48c5cde05@barry-laptop2>

Kevin,
     I ran into a number of areas that caused some real problems. One was 
trying to use a virtual serial port on one Mac mini and the other had a 
problem with the network interface. None of this was a problem with 
Windows. Running PowerSDR for a Flex3000 was initially a problem as the 
Firewire driver needed something that Apple didn't have. It would have 
been significantly easier to have set up on a PC with Firewire.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "kevino z" <z_kevino at hotmail.com>
To: "Brian Denley" <b.denley at comcast.net>
Cc: "Barry LaZar" <k3ndm at comcast.net>; "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>; 
elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/5/2016 10:33:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] suggested PC???

>Yeah, another Mac user here that easily runs most Windows apps in a VM 
>when needed. I have also used boot camp when the app is critical, for 
>example SDR#. I can not understand the statement that Bootcamp has 
>driver issues as when you run the Bootcamp assistant, it has the 
>drivers put on an memory stick. But either way, when you run BootCamp, 
>Windows just sees an intel based machine, no different than if it was a 
>non Apple hardware device.
>I have yet to come across one single ham radio tool / app that didn't 
>run flawlessly in either Parallel's running a Win 7 VM, or as stated 
>above, Bootcamp.
>I will state the obvious, when in the Windows side, you are still 
>vulnerable to all of the attacks typically going after MS, Adobe, 
>etc...
>Not an endorsement for Apple, but I hate when folks do not recommend a 
>Mac when they probably have never owned one.
>-Kevin (KK4YEL)
>
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large 
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
>
>>  On Jan 5, 2016, at 22:04, Brian Denley <b.denley at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>  My i7 iMac runs Windows 7 as well as OSX.  With 32 Gb of memory, I 
>>can run any Windows or Apple applications.  I don't have a K3 but the 
>>iMac runs my K2 and FT-950 applications with no issues whatsoever.  I 
>>can upgrade to Win 10 for free but I dislike it very much.
>>
>>  Brian
>>  KB1VBF
>>  Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>  On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Randy,
>>>    I seriously do not recommend this approach. I have been working 
>>>with a friend who has been working on a Mac Mini, actually he has 
>>>two. He has been trying to do an integrated station using HRD, 
>>>FLDIGI, and a few other things. These are Windows based and he has 
>>>been using Boot Camp to get to Windows. He discovered that there are 
>>>driver issues and a few other things the prevent easy set up to do 
>>>what he wants. And to compound the insult, his second Mac Mini does 
>>>does not set up like his first.
>>>
>>>    Most of the really good software that makes for full integration 
>>>easy has been written for a Windows platform. As this is the case, I 
>>>suggest an I5 with lots of memory running Windows 10. In the end, 
>>>this is cost effective and will keep your blood pressure in bounds. 
>>>As an illustration, I run Win4K3 for radio control and spectrum 
>>>display, Com0com for port replication, Hamradio Deluxe for general 
>>>logging and uploading to eQSL and LoTW, CW Skimmer. I switch out CW 
>>>Skimmer for FLDIGI, and during a contest, I use N1MM+ in place of 
>>>HRD. My experience has taught me to not use an Apple base system for 
>>>this situation. However, there are other collections of S/W, but I 
>>>expect the integration my not be as easy.
>>>
>>>  73,
>>>  Barry
>>>  K3NDM
>>>
>>>  ------ Original Message ------
>>>  From: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>
>>>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>  Sent: 1/5/2016 8:35:48 PM
>>>  Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>>>
>>>>  Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or 
>>>>MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, 
>>>>blown updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home 
>>>>to a 5 year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will 
>>>>probably run forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station 
>>>>control/logging, but others have their favorite.
>>>>  As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t 
>>>>need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old 
>>>>and I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 
>>>>year old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of 
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>  73
>>>>
>>>>  Randy Cook - K6CRC
>>>>  k6crcus at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From w6jhb at me.com  Tue Jan  5 23:05:32 2016
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:05:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <SNT407-EAS229930063E8EC6875DDD3EBFAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <emf6982088-fbc8-44d9-ba4a-12bb7ecaca86@barry-laptop2>
	<0766A422-3F15-4673-BBBC-A9FCA8E785E9@comcast.net>
	<SNT407-EAS229930063E8EC6875DDD3EBFAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <05039C5C-73E9-4120-A5BC-B4DD1CB04456@me.com>

Well, before Eric squashes the thread, one can also use the VMware product: Fusion. I've been running it on my iMac for years and have NEVER had a problem running any Windows application under it. Before Elecraft released the PX3 I used NaP3 on a Windows 8.1 guest with my KX3 and it worked real slick. All the ARRL software, EZNEC, you name it - works fine. And being behind the OSX operating system and its security, far little opportunity for the virus cretins to get at you. In addition to the base OSX and Windows 8.1 I also run several Linux guests there. Don't be afraid of a Mac!

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:33 PM, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, another Mac user here that easily runs most Windows apps in a VM when needed. I have also used boot camp when the app is critical, for example SDR#. I can not understand the statement that Bootcamp has driver issues as when you run the Bootcamp assistant, it has the drivers put on an memory stick. But either way, when you run BootCamp, Windows just sees an intel based machine, no different than if it was a non Apple hardware device.
> I have yet to come across one single ham radio tool / app that didn't run flawlessly in either Parallel's running a Win 7 VM, or as stated above, Bootcamp.
> I will state the obvious, when in the Windows side, you are still vulnerable to all of the attacks typically going after MS, Adobe, etc...
> Not an endorsement for Apple, but I hate when folks do not recommend a Mac when they probably have never owned one.
> -Kevin (KK4YEL) 
> 
> 
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 22:04, Brian Denley <b.denley at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> My i7 iMac runs Windows 7 as well as OSX.  With 32 Gb of memory, I can run any Windows or Apple applications.  I don't have a K3 but the iMac runs my K2 and FT-950 applications with no issues whatsoever.  I can upgrade to Win 10 for free but I dislike it very much.
>> 
>> Brian 
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Randy,
>>>  I seriously do not recommend this approach. I have been working with a friend who has been working on a Mac Mini, actually he has two. He has been trying to do an integrated station using HRD, FLDIGI, and a few other things. These are Windows based and he has been using Boot Camp to get to Windows. He discovered that there are driver issues and a few other things the prevent easy set up to do what he wants. And to compound the insult, his second Mac Mini does does not set up like his first.
>>> 
>>>  Most of the really good software that makes for full integration easy has been written for a Windows platform. As this is the case, I suggest an I5 with lots of memory running Windows 10. In the end, this is cost effective and will keep your blood pressure in bounds. As an illustration, I run Win4K3 for radio control and spectrum display, Com0com for port replication, Hamradio Deluxe for general logging and uploading to eQSL and LoTW, CW Skimmer. I switch out CW Skimmer for FLDIGI, and during a contest, I use N1MM+ in place of HRD. My experience has taught me to not use an Apple base system for this situation. However, there are other collections of S/W, but I expect the integration my not be as easy.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Barry
>>> K3NDM
>>> 
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Sent: 1/5/2016 8:35:48 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>>> 
>>>> Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, blown updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home to a 5 year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will probably run forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station control/logging, but others have their favorite.
>>>> As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old and I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 year old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of it.
>>>> 
>>>> 73
>>>> 
>>>> Randy Cook - K6CRC
>>>> k6crcus at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 23:27:29 2016
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 23:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <em6852b12b-ee2a-41c9-9c4d-826fb15cddbd@barry-laptop2>
References: <em6852b12b-ee2a-41c9-9c4d-826fb15cddbd@barry-laptop2>
Message-ID: <35B5EB95-FD49-4551-8B81-AA7E50051FE1@comcast.net>

Let me know when you find the program's folder.  Grrrrr

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 5, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Brian,
>    Add port replication and NaP3 or Win4K3 and see what happens. Also, you don't say how you are running Windows, Boot Camp?? And yes, you should upgrade to Windows 10. It runs faster and more reliably than Win7 and is more secure. It will be upgraded free as new security definitions are published and bugs fixed. I don't know what you dislike about Win10, but from my view, Microsoft fixed a whole lot of things like an incredibly bad GUI from Win8 and has made it easier to roam around and find things.
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Brian Denley" <b.denley at comcast.net>
> To: "Barry LaZar" <k3ndm at comcast.net>
> Cc: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 1/5/2016 10:02:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
> 
>> My i7 iMac runs Windows 7 as well as OSX.  With 32 Gb of memory, I can run any Windows or Apple applications.  I don't have a K3 but the iMac runs my K2 and FT-950 applications with no issues whatsoever.  I can upgrade to Win 10 for free but I dislike it very much.
>> 
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Randy,
>>>    I seriously do not recommend this approach. I have been working with a friend who has been working on a Mac Mini, actually he has two. He has been trying to do an integrated station using HRD, FLDIGI, and a few other things. These are Windows based and he has been using Boot Camp to get to Windows. He discovered that there are driver issues and a few other things the prevent easy set up to do what he wants. And to compound the insult, his second Mac Mini does does not set up like his first.
>>> 
>>>    Most of the really good software that makes for full integration easy has been written for a Windows platform. As this is the case, I suggest an I5 with lots of memory running Windows 10. In the end, this is cost effective and will keep your blood pressure in bounds. As an illustration, I run Win4K3 for radio control and spectrum display, Com0com for port replication, Hamradio Deluxe for general logging and uploading to eQSL and LoTW, CW Skimmer. I switch out CW Skimmer for FLDIGI, and during a contest, I use N1MM+ in place of HRD. My experience has taught me to not use an Apple base system for this situation. However, there are other collections of S/W, but I expect the integration my not be as easy.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Barry
>>> K3NDM
>>> 
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Randy Cook" <k6crcus at gmail.com>
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Sent: 1/5/2016 8:35:48 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
>>> 
>>>> Consider an Apple Mac. On the Apple website, you can get a iMac or MacBook Air ?refurbished?. After years of dealing with viruses, blown updates, buggy software, etc. on work computers, I come home to a 5 year old MacBook Air machine that just works and will probably run forever. I like MacLoggerDX for station control/logging, but others have their favorite.
>>>> As to value, I just sold an iMac desktop machine that my son didn?t need anymore. He is at college and has a laptop. It was 6 years old and I got 40% of the price I paid new for it on eBay. If it were a 6 year old PC, I would have had to pay a toxic waste fee to get rid of it.
>>>> 
>>>> 73
>>>> 
>>>> Randy Cook - K6CRC
>>>> k6crcus at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecra
> 

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jan  6 00:44:08 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 00:44:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft} K3 keeps going into transmit mode on 80m
	SSB
In-Reply-To: <CD03CBED-6279-42A4-84BA-501F6ADCE45D@gmail.com>
References: <F22510EA9E264751A0AAB50707E3E050@tomsPC>
	<CD03CBED-6279-42A4-84BA-501F6ADCE45D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0O0I002E6NXKL5A0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi,
The NR and NB is off, and VOX is set to about 30.  But there is no mike attached or line-in.

va2fsq.com


From: Mike Flowers
Sent: January 5, 2016 10:45 PM
To: Tom
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft} K3 keeps going into transmit mode on 80m SSB

Hi Tom,

Just shooting in the dark here:

Is VOX on?

NB - if so what level?

NR - if so what level?



-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have a strange issue on my K3.  It keeps going into transmit mode every 1-2 seconds go a split second.  This is only happening on 80m, LSB and if AGC is off.  It doesn?t happen in any other mode or band.  I have disconnected all cables except for the antennas and the 15pin accessory cable.
> If I turn AGC on, it goes away.  If I turn it off, it comes back.  Anyone have any ideas?
> Thanks, Tom
> va2fsq.com
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From emoss98133 at msn.com  Wed Jan  6 01:16:20 2016
From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 23:16:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3  Market Value ?
Message-ID: <1452060980133-7612359.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am thinking about selling my K3 and ordering a K3S,
but would like to know what would be a fare asking price for it.

in mint condition from a non smoking household

at the time I bought it the total cost was abt $2350

K3/100  sn 4909
KTCXO3-1       TCXO
KXV3A   xverter interface
KUSB   serial bus adaptor cable

Ed  KD7PY   ex K7WIA



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From g0cut1 at virginmedia.com  Wed Jan  6 06:22:56 2016
From: g0cut1 at virginmedia.com (g0cut1 at virginmedia.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:22:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and p's k3.
Message-ID: <e9ycw99k5uw0p33mu07x19ns.1452079376931@email.android.com>

Hi all and thanks for all the help trying ?to get ?my computer to operate ?psk to my K3s.

Tried my best but still failed to get it to tx.?
The upside ?is I discovered ?that as I run the P3/SVGA ?I don't ?need a computer. Load the macros ?up and away ?you ?go .I find the signal ?tuning ?fun and the fine tuning ?easy to operate.
Give it a try and get rid of all the clutter in your shack. Must add that I am not into serious ?comps.
Keith ?g0cut. ?
Sent from Samsung Mobile

From n3xx at charter.net  Wed Jan  6 06:29:39 2016
From: n3xx at charter.net (n3xx at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 06:29:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>

Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need to be 
able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can any 
SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical position? 
  I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.

Tnx & 73,
Tim - N3XX

On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
> http://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=145134615022993&w=2
>
> I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY Roundup
> contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour contest
> sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or better
> than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself, seems to
> think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone height
> adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the ears,
> and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass wearer
> like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and the
> SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the top of my
> bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.
>
> Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the CM-500, at
> about half the price.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> .
>
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From neilz at techie.com  Wed Jan  6 08:25:03 2016
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 08:25:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>

FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but everything 
(cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an uninterruptible power 
supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models provide not only power 
surge protection and battery, but lightning/surge protection for coax 
and ethernet.

Neil Zampella
KN3ILZ

On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> Hi Jerry,
>
> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired network 
> when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>
> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, router, 
> modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the PCs), and the 
> Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by the road.  When I 
> rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have never 
> regretted it.
>
>
>
> On 1/5/2016 11:53 AM, Jerry wrote:
>> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm 
>> ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC 
>> just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) are 
>> logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>>
>>
>> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 
>> 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire 
>> this). What else do I need in the box in the way of 
>> interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>
>>
>> Jerry, k1tgx
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> -- 
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary K9GS
>>
>> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
>> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>>
>> ************************************************
>


From n4zr at contesting.com  Wed Jan  6 08:35:51 2016
From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 08:35:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] suggested PC???
In-Reply-To: <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
Message-ID: <568D1837.7000907@contesting.com>

Sign me up for wireless - all those network cables are just too 
effective antennas for lightning surges, and not just for direct hits.  
I am on my 3d serial transceiver in my K3  I now have a surge protector 
right at the port on the radio, but an still uncomfortable..

73, Pete N4ZR
Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
<http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
out the Reverse Beacon Network at
<http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 1/6/2016 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella wrote:
> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but everything 
> (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an uninterruptible power 
> supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models provide not only power 
> surge protection and battery, but lightning/surge protection for coax 
> and ethernet.
>
> Neil Zampella
> KN3ILZ
>
> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired 
>> network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>>
>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, router, 
>> modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the PCs), and the 
>> Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by the road.  When I 
>> rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have never 
>> regretted it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2016 11:53 AM, Jerry wrote:
>>> Now that I have had my k3s on the air for a couple of months I'm 
>>> ready to interface it to a computer. I am planning on a dedicated PC 
>>> just for use in the shack. My only uses (that I can think of now) 
>>> are logging and control of the k3s, perhaps remotely at some point.
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me an I7 processor of any speed would be adequate with a 
>>> 500gb SSD and wifi capability to my LAN (I guess I could hard wire 
>>> this). What else do I need in the box in the way of 
>>> interconnectivity? Any need for a large amount of memory (>8gb)?
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry, k1tgx
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>
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>>> Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Gary K9GS
>>>
>>> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
>>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
>>> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>>>
>>> ************************************************
>>
>
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From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 08:38:19 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 06:38:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
Message-ID: <D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>

The mic does move to full vertical to get it out of the way.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


-----Original Message----- 
From: n3xx at charter.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:29 AM
To: Dave Hachadorian ; Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need
to be
able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can
any
SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical
position?
  I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.

Tnx & 73,
Tim - N3XX

On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
> http://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=145134615022993&w=2
>
> I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY
> Roundup
> contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour
> contest
> sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or
> better
> than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself,
> seems to
> think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone
> height
> adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the
> ears,
> and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass
> wearer
> like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and
> the
> SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the
> top of my
> bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.
>
> Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the
> CM-500, at
> about half the price.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> .
>
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From bw396ss at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 09:05:03 2016
From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:05:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Incorrect Frequency Change
References: <1308753690.711266.1452089103335.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1308753690.711266.1452089103335.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

My K3 recently developed a bit of a glitch. While using HRD Logbooks DX Cluster, when clicking on a station, ?the K3 will change frequency to that station, however it will always be 0.75 off. For example if the posted frequency is 7.017.00 the VFO A will show 7.016.25. ?A second double click on the same station post and the correct frequency will come up. In addition, if I have VFO A&B locked together, VFO will show the incorrect frequency but VFO B will be correct. Also, if I leave a particular frequency and return to later, via a click on the cluster, the return frequency will be correct. I attribute this to the K3 memory.I have reloaded the K3 software as well as HRD. I checked all RIT/XIT ?and I have no offsets set as far as I can tell.?Any thought would be appreciated. Please reply off line to save bandwidth on this site.Bill - W0BBI

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jan  6 09:08:47 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 09:08:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft} K3 keeps going into transmit mode on 80m
	SSB
In-Reply-To: <371190F7-0FC7-418E-8F74-6316AD935BDD@widomaker.com>
References: <F22510EA9E264751A0AAB50707E3E050@tomsPC>
	<CD03CBED-6279-42A4-84BA-501F6ADCE45D@gmail.com>
	<0O0I002E6NXKL5A0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca>
	<371190F7-0FC7-418E-8F74-6316AD935BDD@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <F5580249FF7041E2ACCEAC3B7104E9BA@tomsPC>

Strangest thing!  This morning I went down to the radio which was on all 
night on CW and I switched it to LSB to further trouble shoot the problem, 
but it's gone!  No more issues!
ANy ideas???

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nr4c
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:55 AM
To: Tom
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft} K3 keeps going into transmit mode on 80m 
SSB

Turn the VOX down of OFF.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 6, 2016, at 12:44 AM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> The NR and NB is off, and VOX is set to about 30.  But there is no mike 
> attached or line-in.
>
> va2fsq.com
>
>
> From: Mike Flowers
> Sent: January 5, 2016 10:45 PM
> To: Tom
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft} K3 keeps going into transmit mode on 
> 80m SSB
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Just shooting in the dark here:
>
> Is VOX on?
>
> NB - if so what level?
>
> NR - if so what level?
>
>
>
> -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"
>
>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have a strange issue on my K3.  It keeps going into transmit mode every 
>> 1-2 seconds go a split second.  This is only happening on 80m, LSB and if 
>> AGC is off.  It doesn?t happen in any other mode or band.  I have 
>> disconnected all cables except for the antennas and the 15pin accessory 
>> cable.
>> If I turn AGC on, it goes away.  If I turn it off, it comes back.  Anyone 
>> have any ideas?
>> Thanks, Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
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From n3xx at charter.net  Wed Jan  6 09:20:38 2016
From: n3xx at charter.net (n3xx at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>

Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll get 
an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)

73,
Tim - N3XX


On 2016-01-06 8:38 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> The mic does move to full vertical to get it out of the way.
>
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: n3xx at charter.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:29 AM
> To: Dave Hachadorian ; Reflector Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
>
> Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need
> to be
> able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can
> any
> SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical
> position?
>   I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.
>
> Tnx & 73,
> Tim - N3XX
>
> On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
>> Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
>> http://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=145134615022993&w=2
>>
>> I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY
>> Roundup
>> contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour
>> contest
>> sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or
>> better
>> than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself,
>> seems to
>> think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone
>> height
>> adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the
>> ears,
>> and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass
>> wearer
>> like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and
>> the
>> SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the
>> top of my
>> bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.
>>
>> Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the
>> CM-500, at
>> about half the price.
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>> .
>>
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 09:22:48 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:22:48 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
Message-ID: <568d2341.d20a620a.e16d5.1637@mx.google.com>

Ordered mine tonight also. Looking forward to getting them
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "n3xx at charter.net" <n3xx at charter.net>
Sent: ?7/?01/?2016 12:21 AM
To: "Reflector Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll get 
an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)

73,
Tim - N3XX


On 2016-01-06 8:38 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> The mic does move to full vertical to get it out of the way.
>
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: n3xx at charter.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:29 AM
> To: Dave Hachadorian ; Reflector Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
>
> Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need
> to be
> able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can
> any
> SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical
> position?
>   I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.
>
> Tnx & 73,
> Tim - N3XX
>
> On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
>> Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
>> http://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=145134615022993&w=2
>>
>> I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY
>> Roundup
>> contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour
>> contest
>> sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or
>> better
>> than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself,
>> seems to
>> think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone
>> height
>> adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the
>> ears,
>> and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass
>> wearer
>> like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and
>> the
>> SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the
>> top of my
>> bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.
>>
>> Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the
>> CM-500, at
>> about half the price.
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>> .
>>
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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 11:40:29 2016
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:40:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>

I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn the
operation and iron out any kinks in my setup. Everything worked well except
for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals and
copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I could
easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was surprised
to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something setup
incorrectly?

Mike - W0AG

From tim at sideswiper.plus.com  Wed Jan  6 11:59:12 2016
From: tim at sideswiper.plus.com (Tim)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:59:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
Message-ID: <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>

Hi All,
It is also easy to change the magnetic mic insert for an electret since 
the K3 has the extra components already installed.
73
Tim
GM4LMH

On 06/01/2016 14:20, n3xx at charter.net wrote:
> Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll 
> get an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)
>
> 73,
> Tim - N3XX
>
>


From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan  6 12:30:16 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568D4F28.6030106@subich.com>


It sounds to me as if you have selected an inappropriate roofing filter
or have improperly configured the filter offset.

What roofing filter are you using and what [DSP] bandwidth?


73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/6/2016 11:40 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn the
> operation and iron out any kinks in my setup. Everything worked well except
> for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals and
> copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I could
> easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was surprised
> to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something setup
> incorrectly?
>
> Mike - W0AG
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Jan  6 12:30:18 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDB0005D-ABA4-4705-A251-967A6B1C250B@widomaker.com>

I saw your original post. Im not sure I understand your question. 
If you to the point where you are correctly lined up on both frequencies and getting good decode as " zero-beat", yes you can hear the tones and possibly even decide when listening to only one tone. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 6, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Mike Murray <w0agmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn the
> operation and iron out any kinks in my setup. Everything worked well except
> for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals and
> copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I could
> easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was surprised
> to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something setup
> incorrectly?
> 
> Mike - W0AG
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jan  6 12:32:59 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:32:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
	<568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
Message-ID: <0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk>

Tim, 

I was under the impression that the Koss SB-45 already used an electret mic insert? I don't have one (I  use a Yamaha CM500), but gleaned this from earlier reviews on this reflector. Perhaps you are referring to a different model?

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 6 Jan 2016, at 16:59, Tim <tim at sideswiper.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> It is also easy to change the magnetic mic insert for an electret since the K3 has the extra components already installed.
> 73
> Tim
> GM4LMH
> 
>> On 06/01/2016 14:20, n3xx at charter.net wrote:
>> Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll get an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Tim - N3XX
> 
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From bbaines at mac.com  Wed Jan  6 12:52:58 2016
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:52:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re:  suggested PC???)
In-Reply-To: <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
Message-ID: <6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>

Neil:


> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but everything (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an uninterruptible power supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models provide not only power surge protection and battery, but lightning/surge protection for coax and ethernet.


By ?coax? do you mean cable TV coax or are you suggesting RF coax for amateur radio transceivers?  Clearly, UPS surge protection is not designed for anything on the order that an amateur transmitter (even QRP) can produce.  Further, UPS devices presume 75 ohm coax systems, not 50 Ohm as used in amateur radio antennas and transmitters. They are designed to protect a TV antenna or a cable setup box/cable modem.  

My shack in Georgia was impacted by an indirect hit in 2014 which damaged computers, amplifiers, ethernet switches, and a myriad of gear that was ?networked? in the shack as well as the house, even though I have Polyphasers on all of my RF cables going into the shack from the tower with an extensive ground system for lightning surges. What I didn?t have was adequate protection on my ethernet, coax from DirecTV, and telco lines in the shack where presumably the surge entered.  I didn?t want to go wireless on the LAN because I operate my station remote and wireless connections introduce a potential failure point that can?t be fixed unless I?m there to reset something.  Wireless is also slower than wired ethernet.

My solution was to purchase Ethernet-to-Fiber converters to isolate my LAN network in the shack from the rest of the LAN in the house as well as provide isolation from individual components from one another. Thus, I ran dual 110 ft. fiber from the house to the hamshack (through existing buried conduit that also carries telco and DirecTV) that will keep surges from coming into the house through the ethernet connections from the shack.  I installed switches in the shack that have both LAN and Fiber so that I could isolate nearby components from the network in the shack.  I use ethernet-to-fiber converters with short fiber jumpers to individually isolate my high end equipment from the network (such as a  Flex-6700 and the computers in the shack).  These converters have no impact on the ability of the network to communicate (still 10/100/1000 MB depending upon the component that it protects).  I consider this an insurance policy?the cost of the fiber being significantly less than the cost of replacement of damaged equipment. Each converter has a 5V ?wall wart? which is plugged into a UPS primarily for surge protection but also keeps the network up in the event of power failure or momentary power fluctuation.  

I?m still in the process of installing protection for the DirecTV line coming to the shack as well as the telco lines in the shack.  I have a central ground panel where I will install the protective devices for telco and DirecTV by the existing RF surge protectors.  One challenge is finding a lightning protection device for DirecTV as they feed power through the cable to power the LNB at the dish.  When I spoke with a DirecTV technician, he had no suggestions on what to use.  There are devices out there, just need to find them.  I also have a Speco Technology PTZ analog camera on the tower with 75 ohm video, 12 VDC power, and RS-485 control lines will also be protected at the same ground panel.  I?ve found suitable devices for the camera?s connections. 

AC power is also a concern.  A UPS is adequate for 120 VAC equipment such as computers and monitors but won?t protect 220 VAC devices such as high power amplifiers.  I?m still hoping to find a suitable surge protector designed for 220 VAC systems to plug between my amplifiers and the 220 VAC wall connection.   

From an Elecraft perspective, I use fiber-to-ethernet interfaces between the Remote Rig devices and my network.  Thus, if a surge were to go from the K3?s RS-232 port to the RemoteRig RCC-1258MKII, the surge won?t be extended through the Remote Rig to the LAN.  My KPA-500 is attached to a RC-1216H (which provides a web interface for controlling the amplifier) which in turn has a ethernet-to-fiber interface which protects the network from a surge coming through the RC-1216H.  My KAT-500?s serial line is attached to a Lantronix Serial-to-Ethernet interface device which in turn is attached to an ethernet-to-fiber interface.  As my rotor controller RS-232 line is attached to the same Lantronix box, any surge coming from the rotor interface will also not go through the LAN network.   Thus, there are no RS-232 line connections directly from my ham equipment to a computer, providing additional isolation for the computers.  I can?t say the same thing about USB connections, as some devices such as a Fun Cube Dongle won?t work if attached to a USB-to-Ethernet interface.  However, I do use a USB-to-Ethernet device for my Wavenode WN-2.  
 
    

73,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Westborough, MA
Folkston, GA


> 
> Neil Zampella
> KN3ILZ
> 
> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>> Hi Jerry,
>> 
>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>> 
>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, router, modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the PCs), and the Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by the road.  When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have never regretted it.


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan  6 13:36:09 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 10:36:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net> <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
	<0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <568D5E99.4080604@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,1/6/2016 9:32 AM, David Anderson wrote:
> I was under the impression that the Koss SB-45 already used an electret mic insert? I don't have one (I  use a Yamaha CM500), but gleaned this from earlier reviews on this reflector. Perhaps you are referring to a different model?

Electret and dynamic mics are equally good for ham radio. Use whatever 
comes with the headset you like and be happy. All that matters is that 
electret mics need bias turned on and dynamic mics do not.

73, Jim K9YC

From bw396ss at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 13:41:48 2016
From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 18:41:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] RE; K3 Incorrect Frequency Change - FIXED
In-Reply-To: <1308753690.711266.1452089103335.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1308753690.711266.1452089103335.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1308753690.711266.1452089103335.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <183276486.875301.1452105708433.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

As follow up to my earlier post, my issue of the VFO A frequency not tracking properly was due to my CONFIG: CW WGHT setting being wrong. I somehow set the VFO offset from 'VFO NOR' to 'VFO OFS' which results in the frequency offset equal to the CW tone/pitch selected.
A big thank you to Mike K6MKF for his help and pointing me in the right direction.


Bill - W0BBI

   

From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 13:42:45 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 11:42:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba><568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net><D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba><568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
	<568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
Message-ID: <969D49B814A44B56B411985B7F5BC4CB@Toshiba>

The SB-45 is already electret.  You must be thinking of the SB-40 
which has a dynamic element, and reportedly sounds pretty bad.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


-----Original Message----- 
From: Tim
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 9:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

Hi All,
It is also easy to change the magnetic mic insert for an electret 
since
the K3 has the extra components already installed.
73
Tim
GM4LMH

On 06/01/2016 14:20, n3xx at charter.net wrote:
> Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so 
> I'll get an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)
>
> 73,
> Tim - N3XX
>
>

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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Jan  6 13:53:44 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 10:53:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <969D49B814A44B56B411985B7F5BC4CB@Toshiba>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net> <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
	<969D49B814A44B56B411985B7F5BC4CB@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <568D62B8.3000908@sonic.net>

On 01/06/2016 10:42 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> The SB-45 is already electret.  You must be thinking of the SB-40 which
> has a dynamic element, and reportedly sounds pretty bad.

I bought a SB-40 awhile back. The headphones sound great but the mic is 
totally unusable. The volume is extremely low and muffled sounding.

I'm thinking of getting a hacksaw and opening up the microphone case to 
see if there is something wrong inside.

Alan N1AL



From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 14:02:58 2016
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:02:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D5E99.4080604@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net> <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
	<0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk>
	<568D5E99.4080604@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <568D64E2.2090408@comcast.net>

Hi Jim,

> Electret and dynamic mics are equally good for ham radio. Use whatever 
> comes with the headset you like and be happy. All that matters is that 
> electret mics need bias turned on and dynamic mics do not.

Do you know why Elecraft calls the power provided to an electret element 
BIAS? Unlike the large form condenser microphone elements that need both 
polarizing potential and preamp power, usually provided via a "phantom 
power" circuit, an electret element is permanently polarized. The power 
applied via the phantom circuit is actually providing only the drain 
voltage for the FET preamp in the electret microphone capsule, not any 
kind of biasing voltage.

Of course we have similar terminology used in systems that provide 
control voltages or operating power to remote equipment: The so-called 
BIAS-TEE used to inject and extract power over a coaxial cable, for 
example.

I haven't found any official documentation for these types of circuits 
that uses the BIAS moniker. Are there any references that you might 
point to?

Cheers,
Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From htodd at twofifty.com  Wed Jan  6 14:23:01 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 11:23:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B audio into the K3?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601040941300.15130@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601030954150.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<alpine.NEB.2.11.1601032158270.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<568A8351.6080207@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.NEB.2.11.1601040752530.15130@chris.i8u.org>
	<alpine.NEB.2.11.1601040941300.15130@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601061118530.1772@chris.i8u.org>

In case anyone was wondering, I suspect this is a failing of Mac OS X
and USB audio. After conversations with Mac and Apple developers about
the state of USB audio as of Yosemite (and even worse, in El Capitan) I
decided to use a different OS. I'm now running a brand-new $349 HP
laptop and WSJT-X ran fine last night in Win 10 and Ubuntu. It's not an
ideal choice, but having the audio quit in the middle of a conversation
was a deal breaker.

I could go on about OS X Bluetooth issues after Snow Leopard but that's
a different off-topic story.

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:

> Odd. I got the SignaLink to work, and then the K3S worked fine.
>
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>
>> Oh, good idea. I forgot I have a Signalink somewhere.
>> 
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> 
>>> Hisashi,
>>> 
>>> I suspect the computer or the software application.
>>> Do a test - connect a USB soundcard to your computer and tell WSJT-X and 
>>> JT65 to use that soundcard.
>>> Connect the output of the soundcard to an amplifier or headphones and 
>>> listen to the audio as the application "transmits".
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>> On 1/4/2016 1:09 AM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>>>> Now I think it's the WSJT-X software rather than the radio because I can
>>>> get JT65 to work for a while and then it stops sending audio to the K3.
>>>> Fortunately it hasn't stopped in the middle of a QSO, but only in
>>>> between.
>>>> 
>>>> It could be somehow messing with the settings, but I really don't know
>>>> how I'd check to see if the USB audio is making it to the radio. Power
>>>> cycling the radio doesn't help. I suppose I could keep rebooting the
>>>> laptop but that's a bit painful as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone have any more hints?
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Setting up wsjt-x on the Mac is not as straightforward as the
>>>>> instructions say.* In any case, I think I have it decoding now but now I
>>>>> have to figure out how to get audio from my Mac to the K3.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am I right in thinking that the audio TO the K3 should go through USB as
>>>>> well?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other tricks I should know about?
>>>>> 
>>>>> *The instructions say move the app ANYWHERE but the kvasd installer only
>>>>> works if you put the application into /Applications and not in a "Ham
>>>>> Radio" Folder. It's probably the space in the filename, now that I
>>>>> think of it.
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan  6 14:28:54 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:28:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>

Seems strange to me.  Don't or haven't noticed it with my K3S.   I would 
think they perform about the same in this regard.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/6/2016 10:40 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn the
> operation and iron out any kinks in my setup. Everything worked well except
> for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals and
> copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I could
> easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was surprised
> to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something setup
> incorrectly?
>
> Mike - W0AG
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan  6 14:35:22 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:35:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)
In-Reply-To: <6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
Message-ID: <568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>

Two things I've found to be a big deterrent regarding lightning damage:

(a) all driven grounds must be bonded back to the AC mains ground and 
this must be done outside of the house.   I use some 1/2" flexible 
copper water line as my bonding conductor.  It is trenched around the 
outside of the foundation about 6" deep from the tower ground and coax 
lightening protection system back to the AC Mains ground some 50 ft away.

(b)  Install a whole house surge protector at the main breaker panel.  
These are sometimes referred to as Secondary Surge Protectors.  Usually 
should be installed by a qualified licensed electrician.

73
Bob, K4TAX


On 1/6/2016 11:52 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
> Neil:
>
>
>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but everything (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an uninterruptible power supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models provide not only power surge protection and battery, but lightning/surge protection for coax and ethernet.
>
> By ?coax? do you mean cable TV coax or are you suggesting RF coax for amateur radio transceivers?  Clearly, UPS surge protection is not designed for anything on the order that an amateur transmitter (even QRP) can produce.  Further, UPS devices presume 75 ohm coax systems, not 50 Ohm as used in amateur radio antennas and transmitters. They are designed to protect a TV antenna or a cable setup box/cable modem.
>
> My shack in Georgia was impacted by an indirect hit in 2014 which damaged computers, amplifiers, ethernet switches, and a myriad of gear that was ?networked? in the shack as well as the house, even though I have Polyphasers on all of my RF cables going into the shack from the tower with an extensive ground system for lightning surges. What I didn?t have was adequate protection on my ethernet, coax from DirecTV, and telco lines in the shack where presumably the surge entered.  I didn?t want to go wireless on the LAN because I operate my station remote and wireless connections introduce a potential failure point that can?t be fixed unless I?m there to reset something.  Wireless is also slower than wired ethernet.
>
> My solution was to purchase Ethernet-to-Fiber converters to isolate my LAN network in the shack from the rest of the LAN in the house as well as provide isolation from individual components from one another. Thus, I ran dual 110 ft. fiber from the house to the hamshack (through existing buried conduit that also carries telco and DirecTV) that will keep surges from coming into the house through the ethernet connections from the shack.  I installed switches in the shack that have both LAN and Fiber so that I could isolate nearby components from the network in the shack.  I use ethernet-to-fiber converters with short fiber jumpers to individually isolate my high end equipment from the network (such as a  Flex-6700 and the computers in the shack).  These converters have no impact on the ability of the network to communicate (still 10/100/1000 MB depending upon the component that it protects).  I consider this an insurance policy?the cost of the fiber being significantly less than the cost of replacement of damaged equipment. Each converter has a 5V ?wall wart? which is plugged into a UPS primarily for surge protection but also keeps the network up in the event of power failure or momentary power fluctuation.
>
> I?m still in the process of installing protection for the DirecTV line coming to the shack as well as the telco lines in the shack.  I have a central ground panel where I will install the protective devices for telco and DirecTV by the existing RF surge protectors.  One challenge is finding a lightning protection device for DirecTV as they feed power through the cable to power the LNB at the dish.  When I spoke with a DirecTV technician, he had no suggestions on what to use.  There are devices out there, just need to find them.  I also have a Speco Technology PTZ analog camera on the tower with 75 ohm video, 12 VDC power, and RS-485 control lines will also be protected at the same ground panel.  I?ve found suitable devices for the camera?s connections.
>
> AC power is also a concern.  A UPS is adequate for 120 VAC equipment such as computers and monitors but won?t protect 220 VAC devices such as high power amplifiers.  I?m still hoping to find a suitable surge protector designed for 220 VAC systems to plug between my amplifiers and the 220 VAC wall connection.
>
>  From an Elecraft perspective, I use fiber-to-ethernet interfaces between the Remote Rig devices and my network.  Thus, if a surge were to go from the K3?s RS-232 port to the RemoteRig RCC-1258MKII, the surge won?t be extended through the Remote Rig to the LAN.  My KPA-500 is attached to a RC-1216H (which provides a web interface for controlling the amplifier) which in turn has a ethernet-to-fiber interface which protects the network from a surge coming through the RC-1216H.  My KAT-500?s serial line is attached to a Lantronix Serial-to-Ethernet interface device which in turn is attached to an ethernet-to-fiber interface.  As my rotor controller RS-232 line is attached to the same Lantronix box, any surge coming from the rotor interface will also not go through the LAN network.   Thus, there are no RS-232 line connections directly from my ham equipment to a computer, providing additional isolation for the computers.  I can?t say the same thing about USB connections, as some devices such as a Fun Cube Dongle won?t work if attached to a USB-to-Ethernet interface.  However, I do use a USB-to-Ethernet device for my Wavenode WN-2.
>   
>      
>
> 73,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Westborough, MA
> Folkston, GA
>
>
>> Neil Zampella
>> KN3ILZ
>>
>> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>
>>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>>>
>>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, router, modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the PCs), and the Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by the road.  When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have never regretted it.
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 15:22:33 2016
From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 20:22:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D64E2.2090408@comcast.net>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
	<568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
	<0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk>
	<568D5E99.4080604@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D64E2.2090408@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1542805462.14981904.1452111753869.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Gus, 
? 
I think the term bias, or bias voltage is a pretty generic term when meaning applying a voltage or current to turn on a device, in this instance a microphone element that requires voltage to operate. 
? 
http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/What-is-bias-voltage 
? 
73 Gene, N9TF 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Augie \"Gus\" Hansen" <augie.hansen at comcast.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 1:02:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort 

Hi Jim, 

> Electret and dynamic mics are equally good for ham radio. Use whatever 
> comes with the headset you like and be happy. All that matters is that 
> electret mics need bias turned on and dynamic mics do not. 

Do you know why Elecraft calls the power provided to an electret element 
BIAS? Unlike the large form condenser microphone elements that need both 
polarizing potential and preamp power, usually provided via a "phantom 
power" circuit, an electret element is permanently polarized. The power 
applied via the phantom circuit is actually providing only the drain 
voltage for the FET preamp in the electret microphone capsule, not any 
kind of biasing voltage. 

Of course we have similar terminology used in systems that provide 
control voltages or operating power to remote equipment: The so-called 
BIAS-TEE used to inject and extract power over a coaxial cable, for 
example. 

I haven't found any official documentation for these types of circuits 
that uses the BIAS moniker. Are there any references that you might 
point to? 

Cheers, 
Gus Hansen 
KB0YH 

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan  6 16:08:29 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:08:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <1542805462.14981904.1452111753869.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net> <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
	<0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk>
	<568D5E99.4080604@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D64E2.2090408@comcast.net>
	<1542805462.14981904.1452111753869.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
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One other point is  many professional type condenser or like type mikes 
do have internal active amplification.  They require a couple of 
miliamps of operating  current as opposed to just placing a charge on 
the element.   In this case it is normal for the mixing console to 
provide "phantom power" which is sent along the mike line between the 
console and mike.  For those consoles that do not have internal phantom 
power systems, a separate external source is required and provided.

73
  Bob, K4TAX

On 1/6/2016 2:22 PM, n9tf at comcast.net wrote:
> Gus,
>    
> I think the term bias, or bias voltage is a pretty generic term when meaning applying a voltage or current to turn on a device, in this instance a microphone element that requires voltage to operate.
>    
> http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/What-is-bias-voltage  



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan  6 16:21:00 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:21:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D64E2.2090408@comcast.net>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba>
	<568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net>
	<D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba>
	<568D22B6.1070707@charter.net> <568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com>
	<0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk>
	<568D5E99.4080604@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D64E2.2090408@comcast.net>
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On Wed,1/6/2016 11:02 AM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote:
> Do you know why Elecraft calls the power provided to an electret 
> element BIAS? Unlike the large form condenser microphone elements that 
> need both polarizing potential and preamp power, usually provided via 
> a "phantom power" circuit, an electret element is permanently 
> polarized. The power applied via the phantom circuit is actually 
> providing only the drain voltage for the FET preamp in the electret 
> microphone capsule, not any kind of biasing voltage. 

That's exactly the reason, Gus -- electret elements have VERY high 
output Z, so they have a built-in FET follow circuit to get the source Z 
down to the level that it can drive the load of an audio stage. The 
circuit it's driving provides a positive voltage to operate that FET, 
through a resistor, typically around 5K, that serves as the load Z for 
the FET follower.

And, BTW -- pro electret mics, whose outputs are balanced, also include 
preamps with output Z designed to drive pro mic input stages. The output 
Z of the preamps built into those pro mics is typically in the range of 
100 - 400 ohms.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan  6 16:35:02 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:35:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)
In-Reply-To: <568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
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YES!

Another VERY important thing is to NEVER use "MOV surge protectors" on 
branch circuits. They're great at the service entrance, as Bob 
recommends, but they CAUSE equipment damage when used on branch circuit, 
because the MOVs dump the lightning spike onto the Green wire, which 
creates a high voltage spike on the Green wire. That voltage is 
different at every outlet and at every piece of gear, and the difference 
shows up as a common mode voltage between interconnected equipment. 
THAT'S what blows up stuff connected by wired Ethernet.  We discovered 
this the hard way about 25 years ago in the pro audio industry.

The ONLY safe surge protectors on branch circuits (that is, next to 
equipment)  are SERIES MODE protectors. They work by storing the surge 
in a big inductor, then slowly discharging it. They're more expensive, 
but they won't blow up your gear. The only mfrs I know of are Brick 
Wall, Zero Surge, and SurgeX.

Also critical -- bond ALL grounds together, including the shack ground, 
CATV ground, TELCO ground, etc., and back to the power ground.

73, Jim K9YC


On Wed,1/6/2016 11:35 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Two things I've found to be a big deterrent regarding lightning damage:
>
> (a) all driven grounds must be bonded back to the AC mains ground and 
> this must be done outside of the house.   I use some 1/2" flexible 
> copper water line as my bonding conductor.  It is trenched around the 
> outside of the foundation about 6" deep from the tower ground and coax 
> lightening protection system back to the AC Mains ground some 50 ft away.
>
> (b)  Install a whole house surge protector at the main breaker panel.  
> These are sometimes referred to as Secondary Surge Protectors.  
> Usually should be installed by a qualified licensed electrician.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 1/6/2016 11:52 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
>> Neil:
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but 
>>> everything (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an 
>>> uninterruptible power supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models 
>>> provide not only power surge protection and battery, but 
>>> lightning/surge protection for coax and ethernet.
>>
>> By ?coax? do you mean cable TV coax or are you suggesting RF coax for 
>> amateur radio transceivers?  Clearly, UPS surge protection is not 
>> designed for anything on the order that an amateur transmitter (even 
>> QRP) can produce.  Further, UPS devices presume 75 ohm coax systems, 
>> not 50 Ohm as used in amateur radio antennas and transmitters. They 
>> are designed to protect a TV antenna or a cable setup box/cable modem.
>>
>> My shack in Georgia was impacted by an indirect hit in 2014 which 
>> damaged computers, amplifiers, ethernet switches, and a myriad of 
>> gear that was ?networked? in the shack as well as the house, even 
>> though I have Polyphasers on all of my RF cables going into the shack 
>> from the tower with an extensive ground system for lightning surges. 
>> What I didn?t have was adequate protection on my ethernet, coax from 
>> DirecTV, and telco lines in the shack where presumably the surge 
>> entered.  I didn?t want to go wireless on the LAN because I operate 
>> my station remote and wireless connections introduce a potential 
>> failure point that can?t be fixed unless I?m there to reset 
>> something.  Wireless is also slower than wired ethernet.
>>
>> My solution was to purchase Ethernet-to-Fiber converters to isolate 
>> my LAN network in the shack from the rest of the LAN in the house as 
>> well as provide isolation from individual components from one 
>> another. Thus, I ran dual 110 ft. fiber from the house to the 
>> hamshack (through existing buried conduit that also carries telco and 
>> DirecTV) that will keep surges from coming into the house through the 
>> ethernet connections from the shack.  I installed switches in the 
>> shack that have both LAN and Fiber so that I could isolate nearby 
>> components from the network in the shack.  I use ethernet-to-fiber 
>> converters with short fiber jumpers to individually isolate my high 
>> end equipment from the network (such as a  Flex-6700 and the 
>> computers in the shack).  These converters have no impact on the 
>> ability of the network to communicate (still 10/100/1000 MB depending 
>> upon the component that it protects).  I consider this an insurance 
>> policy?the cost of the fiber being significantly less than the cost 
>> of replacement of damaged equipment. Each converter has a 5V ?wall 
>> wart? which is plugged into a UPS primarily for surge protection but 
>> also keeps the network up in the event of power failure or momentary 
>> power fluctuation.
>>
>> I?m still in the process of installing protection for the DirecTV 
>> line coming to the shack as well as the telco lines in the shack.  I 
>> have a central ground panel where I will install the protective 
>> devices for telco and DirecTV by the existing RF surge protectors.  
>> One challenge is finding a lightning protection device for DirecTV as 
>> they feed power through the cable to power the LNB at the dish.  When 
>> I spoke with a DirecTV technician, he had no suggestions on what to 
>> use.  There are devices out there, just need to find them.  I also 
>> have a Speco Technology PTZ analog camera on the tower with 75 ohm 
>> video, 12 VDC power, and RS-485 control lines will also be protected 
>> at the same ground panel.  I?ve found suitable devices for the 
>> camera?s connections.
>>
>> AC power is also a concern.  A UPS is adequate for 120 VAC equipment 
>> such as computers and monitors but won?t protect 220 VAC devices such 
>> as high power amplifiers.  I?m still hoping to find a suitable surge 
>> protector designed for 220 VAC systems to plug between my amplifiers 
>> and the 220 VAC wall connection.
>>
>>  From an Elecraft perspective, I use fiber-to-ethernet interfaces 
>> between the Remote Rig devices and my network.  Thus, if a surge were 
>> to go from the K3?s RS-232 port to the RemoteRig RCC-1258MKII, the 
>> surge won?t be extended through the Remote Rig to the LAN.  My 
>> KPA-500 is attached to a RC-1216H (which provides a web interface for 
>> controlling the amplifier) which in turn has a ethernet-to-fiber 
>> interface which protects the network from a surge coming through the 
>> RC-1216H.  My KAT-500?s serial line is attached to a Lantronix 
>> Serial-to-Ethernet interface device which in turn is attached to an 
>> ethernet-to-fiber interface.  As my rotor controller RS-232 line is 
>> attached to the same Lantronix box, any surge coming from the rotor 
>> interface will also not go through the LAN network. Thus, there are 
>> no RS-232 line connections directly from my ham equipment to a 
>> computer, providing additional isolation for the computers.  I can?t 
>> say the same thing about USB connections, as some devices such as a 
>> Fun Cube Dongle won?t work if attached to a USB-to-Ethernet 
>> interface.  However, I do use a USB-to-Ethernet device for my 
>> Wavenode WN-2.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Westborough, MA
>> Folkston, GA
>>
>>
>>> Neil Zampella
>>> KN3ILZ
>>>
>>> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>
>>>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired 
>>>> network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, 
>>>> router, modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the 
>>>> PCs), and the Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by 
>>>> the road.  When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my 
>>>> PCs and have never regretted it.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>
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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Jan  6 17:07:56 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:07:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)
In-Reply-To: <568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
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Message-ID: <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>

 >> (b)  Install a whole house surge protector at the main breaker
 >> panel.  These are sometimes referred to as Secondary Surge
 >> Protectors. Usually should be installed by a qualified licensed
 >> electrician.

The buzz word for these is "TVSS" (Transient Voltage Surge Suppressor). 
  I recently had one installed at my house when the meter main was replaced.

(Even though we rarely get lightning in this part of California.)

Alan N1AL


On 01/06/2016 01:35 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> YES!
>
> Another VERY important thing is to NEVER use "MOV surge protectors" on
> branch circuits. They're great at the service entrance, as Bob
> recommends, but they CAUSE equipment damage when used on branch circuit,
> because the MOVs dump the lightning spike onto the Green wire, which
> creates a high voltage spike on the Green wire. That voltage is
> different at every outlet and at every piece of gear, and the difference
> shows up as a common mode voltage between interconnected equipment.
> THAT'S what blows up stuff connected by wired Ethernet.  We discovered
> this the hard way about 25 years ago in the pro audio industry.
>
> The ONLY safe surge protectors on branch circuits (that is, next to
> equipment)  are SERIES MODE protectors. They work by storing the surge
> in a big inductor, then slowly discharging it. They're more expensive,
> but they won't blow up your gear. The only mfrs I know of are Brick
> Wall, Zero Surge, and SurgeX.
>
> Also critical -- bond ALL grounds together, including the shack ground,
> CATV ground, TELCO ground, etc., and back to the power ground.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> On Wed,1/6/2016 11:35 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Two things I've found to be a big deterrent regarding lightning damage:
>>
>> (a) all driven grounds must be bonded back to the AC mains ground and
>> this must be done outside of the house.   I use some 1/2" flexible
>> copper water line as my bonding conductor.  It is trenched around the
>> outside of the foundation about 6" deep from the tower ground and coax
>> lightening protection system back to the AC Mains ground some 50 ft away.
>>
>> (b)  Install a whole house surge protector at the main breaker panel.
>> These are sometimes referred to as Secondary Surge Protectors. Usually
>> should be installed by a qualified licensed electrician.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2016 11:52 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
>>> Neil:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but
>>>> everything (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an
>>>> uninterruptible power supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models
>>>> provide not only power surge protection and battery, but
>>>> lightning/surge protection for coax and ethernet.
>>>
>>> By ?coax? do you mean cable TV coax or are you suggesting RF coax for
>>> amateur radio transceivers?  Clearly, UPS surge protection is not
>>> designed for anything on the order that an amateur transmitter (even
>>> QRP) can produce.  Further, UPS devices presume 75 ohm coax systems,
>>> not 50 Ohm as used in amateur radio antennas and transmitters. They
>>> are designed to protect a TV antenna or a cable setup box/cable modem.
>>>
>>> My shack in Georgia was impacted by an indirect hit in 2014 which
>>> damaged computers, amplifiers, ethernet switches, and a myriad of
>>> gear that was ?networked? in the shack as well as the house, even
>>> though I have Polyphasers on all of my RF cables going into the shack
>>> from the tower with an extensive ground system for lightning surges.
>>> What I didn?t have was adequate protection on my ethernet, coax from
>>> DirecTV, and telco lines in the shack where presumably the surge
>>> entered.  I didn?t want to go wireless on the LAN because I operate
>>> my station remote and wireless connections introduce a potential
>>> failure point that can?t be fixed unless I?m there to reset
>>> something.  Wireless is also slower than wired ethernet.
>>>
>>> My solution was to purchase Ethernet-to-Fiber converters to isolate
>>> my LAN network in the shack from the rest of the LAN in the house as
>>> well as provide isolation from individual components from one
>>> another. Thus, I ran dual 110 ft. fiber from the house to the
>>> hamshack (through existing buried conduit that also carries telco and
>>> DirecTV) that will keep surges from coming into the house through the
>>> ethernet connections from the shack.  I installed switches in the
>>> shack that have both LAN and Fiber so that I could isolate nearby
>>> components from the network in the shack.  I use ethernet-to-fiber
>>> converters with short fiber jumpers to individually isolate my high
>>> end equipment from the network (such as a  Flex-6700 and the
>>> computers in the shack).  These converters have no impact on the
>>> ability of the network to communicate (still 10/100/1000 MB depending
>>> upon the component that it protects).  I consider this an insurance
>>> policy?the cost of the fiber being significantly less than the cost
>>> of replacement of damaged equipment. Each converter has a 5V ?wall
>>> wart? which is plugged into a UPS primarily for surge protection but
>>> also keeps the network up in the event of power failure or momentary
>>> power fluctuation.
>>>
>>> I?m still in the process of installing protection for the DirecTV
>>> line coming to the shack as well as the telco lines in the shack.  I
>>> have a central ground panel where I will install the protective
>>> devices for telco and DirecTV by the existing RF surge protectors.
>>> One challenge is finding a lightning protection device for DirecTV as
>>> they feed power through the cable to power the LNB at the dish.  When
>>> I spoke with a DirecTV technician, he had no suggestions on what to
>>> use.  There are devices out there, just need to find them.  I also
>>> have a Speco Technology PTZ analog camera on the tower with 75 ohm
>>> video, 12 VDC power, and RS-485 control lines will also be protected
>>> at the same ground panel.  I?ve found suitable devices for the
>>> camera?s connections.
>>>
>>> AC power is also a concern.  A UPS is adequate for 120 VAC equipment
>>> such as computers and monitors but won?t protect 220 VAC devices such
>>> as high power amplifiers.  I?m still hoping to find a suitable surge
>>> protector designed for 220 VAC systems to plug between my amplifiers
>>> and the 220 VAC wall connection.
>>>
>>>  From an Elecraft perspective, I use fiber-to-ethernet interfaces
>>> between the Remote Rig devices and my network.  Thus, if a surge were
>>> to go from the K3?s RS-232 port to the RemoteRig RCC-1258MKII, the
>>> surge won?t be extended through the Remote Rig to the LAN.  My
>>> KPA-500 is attached to a RC-1216H (which provides a web interface for
>>> controlling the amplifier) which in turn has a ethernet-to-fiber
>>> interface which protects the network from a surge coming through the
>>> RC-1216H.  My KAT-500?s serial line is attached to a Lantronix
>>> Serial-to-Ethernet interface device which in turn is attached to an
>>> ethernet-to-fiber interface.  As my rotor controller RS-232 line is
>>> attached to the same Lantronix box, any surge coming from the rotor
>>> interface will also not go through the LAN network. Thus, there are
>>> no RS-232 line connections directly from my ham equipment to a
>>> computer, providing additional isolation for the computers.  I can?t
>>> say the same thing about USB connections, as some devices such as a
>>> Fun Cube Dongle won?t work if attached to a USB-to-Ethernet
>>> interface.  However, I do use a USB-to-Ethernet device for my
>>> Wavenode WN-2.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>>> Westborough, MA
>>> Folkston, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>> Neil Zampella
>>>> KN3ILZ
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired
>>>>> network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs,
>>>>> router, modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the
>>>>> PCs), and the Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by
>>>>> the road.  When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my
>>>>> PCs and have never regretted it.
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>
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>>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net
>>
>>
>>
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:12:33 2016
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:12:33 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>

OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
Frank KG9H


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Wed Jan  6 17:16:14 2016
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:16:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
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	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568D922E.2040609@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Me too.  Please post replies to the list.

On 1/6/2016 2:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
> Frank KG9H


From lightdazzled at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:23:38 2016
From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:23:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <568D922E.2040609@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<568D922E.2040609@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <CAPF-ba3h-waiAfWybtNAoNU0T1tX-xnNZ7YZrTm21S-M94W5Ew@mail.gmail.com>

Leviton makes some, amongst others. Plenty to see if you Google them. I
like the one that actually replaces your electric meter socket. This puts
the surge protector about as upstream as you can get it.More commonly they
are wired to a breaker in your load center.

Chip
AE5KA

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> Me too.  Please post replies to the list.
>
>
> On 1/6/2016 2:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge
>> protector at the main breaker?
>> Frank KG9H
>>
>
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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Jan  6 17:26:28 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:26:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568D9494.5050801@sonic.net>

I used an Eaton CHSPT2ULTRA whole house surge protector.  It should be 
installed by a competent electrician.

https://www.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/Surge-Protection-Power-Quality-Panel-Mount/Eaton/CHSPT2ULTRA/Product.aspx?zpid=848511

Alan N1AL


On 01/06/2016 02:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
> Frank KG9H
>
>
>

From n4ua.va at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:26:40 2016
From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:26:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <568D922E.2040609@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<568D922E.2040609@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <CAALHBrY4--azK__0d9L06kcfPV-QCrHqb+kN0OPf1Qr9n=67xA@mail.gmail.com>

For the last 20 years, I have had a Joslyn 1265-85 at the panel. I'm sure
it's no longer available, but it's a 10x12x6 NEMA 4 box with fist-sized MOV
modules inside with some monitoring circuitry on a small pwb driving 2
front panel LEDs. I am at the very end of a long rural 12.4 kV run in
central VA and, so far so good. (he said, snapping his fingers to keep the
elephants away...).

73,

geo - n4ua

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> Me too.  Please post replies to the list.
>
> On 1/6/2016 2:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge
>> protector at the main breaker?
>> Frank KG9H
>>
>
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From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:31:27 2016
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:31:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKdaM5wekJnx+edyF4OCt6KS5o=_4D5EJPWN6ybZUzMUXA@mail.gmail.com>

Leviton 120/240 Single Phase
Transient Voltage Surge Protector
Catalog Number: 51120-1

Have had mine for 25 years.

Regards
Brian
VE3IBW
On Jan 6, 2016 5:13 PM, "kg9hfrank at gmail.com" <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge
> protector at the main breaker?
> Frank KG9H
>
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From w6jhb at me.com  Wed Jan  6 17:32:25 2016
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:32:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <568D9494.5050801@sonic.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<568D9494.5050801@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <10408271-EF81-492E-B8CF-F2FA93EE6F2C@me.com>

Be sure your electric utility is involved. One of those surge protectors was installed at our house, along with a "smart meter". Turns out those two particular devices, for whatever reason, we're not compatible. The meter overheated and subsequently got so hot the plastic in the housing melted. When it went, it took out the four plugs in the mains panel. Repairs ran close to $500, which the electric utility paid for, since it was one of their installers who put the darn thing in to begin with. Yikes!

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> I used an Eaton CHSPT2ULTRA whole house surge protector.  It should be installed by a competent electrician.
> 
> https://www.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/Surge-Protection-Power-Quality-Panel-Mount/Eaton/CHSPT2ULTRA/Product.aspx?zpid=848511
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> 
>> On 01/06/2016 02:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
>> Frank KG9H
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:35:02 2016
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:35:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <568D9494.5050801@sonic.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<568D9494.5050801@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <568D9696.1020201@gmail.com>

Siemens TPS3A11 was installed here when the service entry was rewired 
last summer.  Yes, the electrician installed it, not me!

73,

Lyle KK7P

>
> On 01/06/2016 02:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge 
>> protector at the main breaker?
>> Frank KG9H
>>


From lightdazzled at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:41:47 2016
From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:41:47 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <CAM34cKdaM5wekJnx+edyF4OCt6KS5o=_4D5EJPWN6ybZUzMUXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<CAM34cKdaM5wekJnx+edyF4OCt6KS5o=_4D5EJPWN6ybZUzMUXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPF-ba05Bn4WZ5gQx-EoQEeCK=WmX+RiURu+LB+EkKaTG4MePg@mail.gmail.com>

Despite having a whole house surge protector, I also use a series mode
protector from SurgeX. All of the power to my ham gear and my test bench
passes through this one surge protector.

I also have one on the power to the TV/AV Receiver/DVR conglomeration.

Probably should buy one for the cable modem/router/printer/desktop computer
complex too.....

Nothing like like a "belt and suspenders" approach to protecting the
expensive toys.

Chip
AE5KA

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Brian Waterworth <brian.waterworth at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Leviton 120/240 Single Phase
> Transient Voltage Surge Protector
> Catalog Number: 51120-1
>
> Have had mine for 25 years.
>
> Regards
> Brian
> VE3IBW
> On Jan 6, 2016 5:13 PM, "kg9hfrank at gmail.com" <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge
> > protector at the main breaker?
> > Frank KG9H
> >
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From aa4nu at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 18:02:19 2016
From: aa4nu at comcast.net (Billy Cox)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:02:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <614868646.11750487.1452121339534.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Large whole house Polyphaser unit, and had it installed by a professional.

73 de Billy, AA4NU

----- Original Message -----
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?

OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge 
protector at the main breaker?

Frank KG9H

From wb4jfi at knology.net  Wed Jan  6 18:11:43 2016
From: wb4jfi at knology.net (WB4JFI)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 18:11:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDA1F322-215A-4D26-9A57-2A9B202C09F6@knology.net>

I have two 200 amp panels, and each has a Sycom surge protector.  I also have a Generac 18kW ( or 20kW?) whole house (with Nexys smart load control) generator, and companion ATS with its own protection.

Keep in mind other services, such as phone, Internet, cable, etc...  Mine is bundled, with a limited surge protector on the outside.  Unless you have fiber, your cable provider can be very twitchy about you providing your own surge protection.

Also, if you have underground sprinklers, or AC/DC to outside lights, that's another source of induced problems.
73, Terry, N4TLF

Sent from tfox iPad

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 5:12 PM, "kg9hfrank at gmail.com" <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
> Frank KG9H
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan  6 18:17:25 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:17:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <CAPF-ba05Bn4WZ5gQx-EoQEeCK=WmX+RiURu+LB+EkKaTG4MePg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<CAM34cKdaM5wekJnx+edyF4OCt6KS5o=_4D5EJPWN6ybZUzMUXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPF-ba05Bn4WZ5gQx-EoQEeCK=WmX+RiURu+LB+EkKaTG4MePg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568DA085.2080604@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,1/6/2016 2:41 PM, Chip Stratton wrote:
> Despite having a whole house surge protector, I also use a series mode
> protector from SurgeX. All of the power to my ham gear and my test bench
> passes through this one surge protector.
>
> I also have one on the power to the TV/AV Receiver/DVR conglomeration.
>
> Probably should buy one for the cable modem/router/printer/desktop computer
> complex too.....
>
> Nothing like like a "belt and suspenders" approach to protecting the
> expensive toys.

It's more than "belt and suspenders" -- IEEE data shows that up to 3kV 
can be generated on wiring inside our homes. So while that whole house 
unit clamps stuff coming in on the power lines from outside our home, 
it's good to have a SurgeX protecting branch circuits with critical 
gear. I have them on my ham gear, my computer gear, my hi-fi gear, and 
my XYL's sewing machines.

73, Jim K9YC

From wb4jfi at knology.net  Wed Jan  6 18:19:01 2016
From: wb4jfi at knology.net (WB4JFI)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 18:19:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <CDA1F322-215A-4D26-9A57-2A9B202C09F6@knology.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<CDA1F322-215A-4D26-9A57-2A9B202C09F6@knology.net>
Message-ID: <D56379B7-9A4F-4B2C-817E-636EA7511CFD@knology.net>

Sorry for the double-post, but I still use smaller UPS on all electronics, i.e. Computers, TVs, etc.  at least six UPS from 350w to 1.5kW.  Haven't lost anything since moving into the house, in Charleston, SC.
73, Terry, N4TLF

Sent from tfox iPad

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 6:11 PM, WB4JFI <wb4jfi at knology.net> wrote:
> 
> I have two 200 amp panels, and each has a Sycom surge protector.  I also have a Generac 18kW ( or 20kW?) whole house (with Nexys smart load control) generator, and companion ATS with its own protection.
> 
> Keep in mind other services, such as phone, Internet, cable, etc...  Mine is bundled, with a limited surge protector on the outside.  Unless you have fiber, your cable provider can be very twitchy about you providing your own surge protection.
> 
> Also, if you have underground sprinklers, or AC/DC to outside lights, that's another source of induced problems.
> 73, Terry, N4TLF
> 
> Sent from tfox iPad
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 5:12 PM, "kg9hfrank at gmail.com" <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
>> Frank KG9H
>> 
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  6 18:28:17 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:28:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)
In-Reply-To: <568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com>
	<568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <002801d148d9$ec514ff0$c4f3efd0$@earthlink.net>

I would disagree with the use of MOVs at the service entrance unless there are inductors preceding.  

The key words in this discussion are protection systems. There is no one component or silver bullet that will protect all. The chances are if you take a direct strike there will be damage so unplugging is still a good idea. You would like any damage to be to cheap things like surge protectors that are  easily replaced. Having said that MOVs are cheap but they are not lighting protectors so it is foolhardy to build your principle lightning defense around them. For those wondering a surge is like when the secondary power line falls down on the low voltage line or a lightning strike AFTER the leading edge of the wave front is diminished. In short MOVs work in milliseconds. The leading edge of a lightning burst is in the microsecond range. Transorbs, gas protectors, capacitors, and carbon protectors are shunting devices in networks that work in the microsecond range and can be used at the service entrance. 

Series Inductance is a great way to knock off the leading edge but absolutely defeats your protection system when used in the grounding system or green wire. Remember ALL conductors have inductance so shorter is better. Never coil or square a ground wire.

Maintenance of protection systems is essential too. Transorbs and carbons fail shorted. For this reason VDE sometimes requires these type components to be protected by fuses as well.  Gas protectors and MOVs fail open. MOVs fail gradually too. Capacitors and inductors take physical damage too and can fail either open or shorted. After your big lightning storm these components should be inspected and replaced if you see black smudges on or around them. MOVs will physically deteriorate and are easy to spot defective ones.

73,
Fred, AE6QL
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 1:35 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)

YES!

Another VERY important thing is to NEVER use "MOV surge protectors" on branch circuits. They're great at the service entrance, as Bob recommends, but they CAUSE equipment damage when used on branch circuit, because the MOVs dump the lightning spike onto the Green wire, which creates a high voltage spike on the Green wire. That voltage is different at every outlet and at every piece of gear, and the difference shows up as a common mode voltage between interconnected equipment. 
THAT'S what blows up stuff connected by wired Ethernet.  We discovered this the hard way about 25 years ago in the pro audio industry.

The ONLY safe surge protectors on branch circuits (that is, next to
equipment)  are SERIES MODE protectors. They work by storing the surge in a big inductor, then slowly discharging it. They're more expensive, but they won't blow up your gear. The only mfrs I know of are Brick Wall, Zero Surge, and SurgeX.

Also critical -- bond ALL grounds together, including the shack ground, CATV ground, TELCO ground, etc., and back to the power ground.

73, Jim K9YC


On Wed,1/6/2016 11:35 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Two things I've found to be a big deterrent regarding lightning damage:
>
> (a) all driven grounds must be bonded back to the AC mains ground and 
> this must be done outside of the house.   I use some 1/2" flexible 
> copper water line as my bonding conductor.  It is trenched around the 
> outside of the foundation about 6" deep from the tower ground and coax 
> lightening protection system back to the AC Mains ground some 50 ft away.
>
> (b)  Install a whole house surge protector at the main breaker panel.  
> These are sometimes referred to as Secondary Surge Protectors.  
> Usually should be installed by a qualified licensed electrician.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 1/6/2016 11:52 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
>> Neil:
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but 
>>> everything (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an
>>> uninterruptible power supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models 
>>> provide not only power surge protection and battery, but 
>>> lightning/surge protection for coax and ethernet.
>>
>> By ?coax? do you mean cable TV coax or are you suggesting RF coax for 
>> amateur radio transceivers?  Clearly, UPS surge protection is not 
>> designed for anything on the order that an amateur transmitter (even
>> QRP) can produce.  Further, UPS devices presume 75 ohm coax systems, 
>> not 50 Ohm as used in amateur radio antennas and transmitters. They 
>> are designed to protect a TV antenna or a cable setup box/cable modem.
>>
>> My shack in Georgia was impacted by an indirect hit in 2014 which 
>> damaged computers, amplifiers, ethernet switches, and a myriad of 
>> gear that was ?networked? in the shack as well as the house, even 
>> though I have Polyphasers on all of my RF cables going into the shack 
>> from the tower with an extensive ground system for lightning surges.
>> What I didn?t have was adequate protection on my ethernet, coax from 
>> DirecTV, and telco lines in the shack where presumably the surge 
>> entered.  I didn?t want to go wireless on the LAN because I operate 
>> my station remote and wireless connections introduce a potential 
>> failure point that can?t be fixed unless I?m there to reset 
>> something.  Wireless is also slower than wired ethernet.
>>
>> My solution was to purchase Ethernet-to-Fiber converters to isolate 
>> my LAN network in the shack from the rest of the LAN in the house as 
>> well as provide isolation from individual components from one 
>> another. Thus, I ran dual 110 ft. fiber from the house to the 
>> hamshack (through existing buried conduit that also carries telco and
>> DirecTV) that will keep surges from coming into the house through the 
>> ethernet connections from the shack.  I installed switches in the 
>> shack that have both LAN and Fiber so that I could isolate nearby 
>> components from the network in the shack.  I use ethernet-to-fiber 
>> converters with short fiber jumpers to individually isolate my high 
>> end equipment from the network (such as a  Flex-6700 and the 
>> computers in the shack).  These converters have no impact on the 
>> ability of the network to communicate (still 10/100/1000 MB depending 
>> upon the component that it protects).  I consider this an insurance 
>> policy?the cost of the fiber being significantly less than the cost 
>> of replacement of damaged equipment. Each converter has a 5V ?wall 
>> wart? which is plugged into a UPS primarily for surge protection but 
>> also keeps the network up in the event of power failure or momentary 
>> power fluctuation.
>>
>> I?m still in the process of installing protection for the DirecTV 
>> line coming to the shack as well as the telco lines in the shack.  I 
>> have a central ground panel where I will install the protective 
>> devices for telco and DirecTV by the existing RF surge protectors.
>> One challenge is finding a lightning protection device for DirecTV as 
>> they feed power through the cable to power the LNB at the dish.  When 
>> I spoke with a DirecTV technician, he had no suggestions on what to 
>> use.  There are devices out there, just need to find them.  I also 
>> have a Speco Technology PTZ analog camera on the tower with 75 ohm 
>> video, 12 VDC power, and RS-485 control lines will also be protected 
>> at the same ground panel.  I?ve found suitable devices for the 
>> camera?s connections.
>>
>> AC power is also a concern.  A UPS is adequate for 120 VAC equipment 
>> such as computers and monitors but won?t protect 220 VAC devices such 
>> as high power amplifiers.  I?m still hoping to find a suitable surge 
>> protector designed for 220 VAC systems to plug between my amplifiers 
>> and the 220 VAC wall connection.
>>
>>  From an Elecraft perspective, I use fiber-to-ethernet interfaces 
>> between the Remote Rig devices and my network.  Thus, if a surge were 
>> to go from the K3?s RS-232 port to the RemoteRig RCC-1258MKII, the 
>> surge won?t be extended through the Remote Rig to the LAN.  My
>> KPA-500 is attached to a RC-1216H (which provides a web interface for 
>> controlling the amplifier) which in turn has a ethernet-to-fiber 
>> interface which protects the network from a surge coming through the 
>> RC-1216H.  My KAT-500?s serial line is attached to a Lantronix 
>> Serial-to-Ethernet interface device which in turn is attached to an 
>> ethernet-to-fiber interface.  As my rotor controller RS-232 line is 
>> attached to the same Lantronix box, any surge coming from the rotor 
>> interface will also not go through the LAN network. Thus, there are 
>> no RS-232 line connections directly from my ham equipment to a 
>> computer, providing additional isolation for the computers.  I can?t 
>> say the same thing about USB connections, as some devices such as a 
>> Fun Cube Dongle won?t work if attached to a USB-to-Ethernet 
>> interface.  However, I do use a USB-to-Ethernet device for my 
>> Wavenode WN-2.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Westborough, MA
>> Folkston, GA
>>
>>
>>> Neil Zampella
>>> KN3ILZ
>>>
>>> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>
>>>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired 
>>>> network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, 
>>>> router, modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the 
>>>> PCs), and the Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by 
>>>> the road.  When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my 
>>>> PCs and have never regretted it.
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan  6 18:32:24 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:32:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <D56379B7-9A4F-4B2C-817E-636EA7511CFD@knology.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
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On Wed,1/6/2016 3:19 PM, WB4JFI wrote:
> Sorry for the double-post, but I still use smaller UPS on all electronics, i.e. Computers, TVs, etc.  at least six UPS from 350w to 1.5kW.  Haven't lost anything since moving into the house, in Charleston, SC.

Do that with great caution. Nearly all UPS units include MOVs, which, 
like any other MOV surge protectors on branch circuits can CAUSE 
equipment to be destroyed. If you're going to use a UPS, use a SERIES 
MODE between the UPS and the outlet.

73, Jim K9YC

From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan  6 18:32:17 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:32:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <568D9696.1020201@gmail.com>
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	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<568D9494.5050801@sonic.net> <568D9696.1020201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568DA401.4010500@elecraft.com>

Lets end this thread now and take it to direct email between posters, if needed, 
as we're flooding the list with a huge number of single topic postings. Its 
certainly exceeding the near term topic posting limit.

Please remember that this is the Elecraft list and that most posts shuld pertain 
directly to Elecraft product topics. Other more general ham radio postings are 
certainly allowed, but please limit those postings and replies to a much smaller 
total - typically 5-10.

73,

Eric
Your generally friendly moderator
/elecraft.com/

From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan  6 18:37:14 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:37:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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This sounds like a crystal filter offset setting is incorrect. (Also check to 
make sure your IF shift setting on the front panel is not set to an extreme.)

Check the setup menu entry for each crystal filter and its offset setting. 8 
pole filters should be set to a zero offset. 5 pole filters should be set equal 
to the + or -  number marked on the filter or the label stuck inside the radio 
(typically on the top cover.)

Setup of the filters is described in the K3 manual. (I believe the assembly 
manual, but it may be in the operating manual.)

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/6/2016 8:40 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn the
> operation and iron out any kinks in my setup. Everything worked well except
> for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals and
> copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I could
> easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was surprised
> to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something setup
> incorrectly?
>
> Mike - W0AG
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From K2TK at att.net  Wed Jan  6 18:40:32 2016
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 18:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
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	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568DA5F0.7070605@att.net>

Well many years ago while working in New Orleans an electrician recommended these:

http://www.deltala.com/commercial-arrestors.php

I put in an LA302 almost 25 years ago.  Did it work, I can't tell as I have 
never lost any equipment or any gear except an old Telephone modem.  But by the 
damage I'm sure to surge was on the phone line not power line. That was based on 
where the shorted protection diodes were.Would I have lost anything else had the 
LA302 not been there is unknown.  Neighbor lost the control board on a dishwasher.

The electrician said that they put these in on the oil rigs in the gulf and they 
get hit all the time.

Pick one and "feel" protected.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 1/6/2016 5:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
> Frank KG9H
>
>


From severyn46 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:43:08 2016
From: severyn46 at hotmail.com (John Severyn)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:43:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)
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	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
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As Fred mentioned, MOVs gradually fail.  And the failure mechanism is a 
gradual reduction of the "trigger voltage".  As the trigger voltage 
slowly drops, the MOVs start disappating power at the very peak of the 
AC line voltage.  If you are lucky, you find a warm device.  But most 
often they fail sight-unseen.  Once in a while if installed in a plastic 
"outlet extender", they start a fire. Beware.

John  AF6QO

On 1/6/2016 3:28 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
> I would disagree with the use of MOVs at the service entrance unless there are inductors preceding.
>
> The key words in this discussion are protection systems. There is no one component or silver bullet that will protect all. The chances are if you take a direct strike there will be damage so unplugging is still a good idea. You would like any damage to be to cheap things like surge protectors that are  easily replaced. Having said that MOVs are cheap but they are not lighting protectors so it is foolhardy to build your principle lightning defense around them. For those wondering a surge is like when the secondary power line falls down on the low voltage line or a lightning strike AFTER the leading edge of the wave front is diminished. In short MOVs work in milliseconds. The leading edge of a lightning burst is in the microsecond range. Transorbs, gas protectors, capacitors, and carbon protectors are shunting devices in networks that work in the microsecond range and can be used at the service entrance.
>
> Series Inductance is a great way to knock off the leading edge but absolutely defeats your protection system when used in the grounding system or green wire. Remember ALL conductors have inductance so shorter is better. Never coil or square a ground wire.
>
> Maintenance of protection systems is essential too. Transorbs and carbons fail shorted. For this reason VDE sometimes requires these type components to be protected by fuses as well.  Gas protectors and MOVs fail open. MOVs fail gradually too. Capacitors and inductors take physical damage too and can fail either open or shorted. After your big lightning storm these components should be inspected and replaced if you see black smudges on or around them. MOVs will physically deteriorate and are easy to spot defective ones.
>
> 73,
> Fred, AE6QL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)
>
> YES!
>
> Another VERY important thing is to NEVER use "MOV surge protectors" on branch circuits. They're great at the service entrance, as Bob recommends, but they CAUSE equipment damage when used on branch circuit, because the MOVs dump the lightning spike onto the Green wire, which creates a high voltage spike on the Green wire. That voltage is different at every outlet and at every piece of gear, and the difference shows up as a common mode voltage between interconnected equipment.
> THAT'S what blows up stuff connected by wired Ethernet.  We discovered this the hard way about 25 years ago in the pro audio industry.
>
> The ONLY safe surge protectors on branch circuits (that is, next to
> equipment)  are SERIES MODE protectors. They work by storing the surge in a big inductor, then slowly discharging it. They're more expensive, but they won't blow up your gear. The only mfrs I know of are Brick Wall, Zero Surge, and SurgeX.
>
> Also critical -- bond ALL grounds together, including the shack ground, CATV ground, TELCO ground, etc., and back to the power ground.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> On Wed,1/6/2016 11:35 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Two things I've found to be a big deterrent regarding lightning damage:
>>
>> (a) all driven grounds must be bonded back to the AC mains ground and
>> this must be done outside of the house.   I use some 1/2" flexible
>> copper water line as my bonding conductor.  It is trenched around the
>> outside of the foundation about 6" deep from the tower ground and coax
>> lightening protection system back to the AC Mains ground some 50 ft away.
>>
>> (b)  Install a whole house surge protector at the main breaker panel.
>> These are sometimes referred to as Secondary Surge Protectors.
>> Usually should be installed by a qualified licensed electrician.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2016 11:52 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
>>> Neil:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but
>>>> everything (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an
>>>> uninterruptible power supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models
>>>> provide not only power surge protection and battery, but
>>>> lightning/surge protection for coax and ethernet.
>>> By ?coax? do you mean cable TV coax or are you suggesting RF coax for
>>> amateur radio transceivers?  Clearly, UPS surge protection is not
>>> designed for anything on the order that an amateur transmitter (even
>>> QRP) can produce.  Further, UPS devices presume 75 ohm coax systems,
>>> not 50 Ohm as used in amateur radio antennas and transmitters. They
>>> are designed to protect a TV antenna or a cable setup box/cable modem.
>>>
>>> My shack in Georgia was impacted by an indirect hit in 2014 which
>>> damaged computers, amplifiers, ethernet switches, and a myriad of
>>> gear that was ?networked? in the shack as well as the house, even
>>> though I have Polyphasers on all of my RF cables going into the shack
>>> from the tower with an extensive ground system for lightning surges.
>>> What I didn?t have was adequate protection on my ethernet, coax from
>>> DirecTV, and telco lines in the shack where presumably the surge
>>> entered.  I didn?t want to go wireless on the LAN because I operate
>>> my station remote and wireless connections introduce a potential
>>> failure point that can?t be fixed unless I?m there to reset
>>> something.  Wireless is also slower than wired ethernet.
>>>
>>> My solution was to purchase Ethernet-to-Fiber converters to isolate
>>> my LAN network in the shack from the rest of the LAN in the house as
>>> well as provide isolation from individual components from one
>>> another. Thus, I ran dual 110 ft. fiber from the house to the
>>> hamshack (through existing buried conduit that also carries telco and
>>> DirecTV) that will keep surges from coming into the house through the
>>> ethernet connections from the shack.  I installed switches in the
>>> shack that have both LAN and Fiber so that I could isolate nearby
>>> components from the network in the shack.  I use ethernet-to-fiber
>>> converters with short fiber jumpers to individually isolate my high
>>> end equipment from the network (such as a  Flex-6700 and the
>>> computers in the shack).  These converters have no impact on the
>>> ability of the network to communicate (still 10/100/1000 MB depending
>>> upon the component that it protects).  I consider this an insurance
>>> policy?the cost of the fiber being significantly less than the cost
>>> of replacement of damaged equipment. Each converter has a 5V ?wall
>>> wart? which is plugged into a UPS primarily for surge protection but
>>> also keeps the network up in the event of power failure or momentary
>>> power fluctuation.
>>>
>>> I?m still in the process of installing protection for the DirecTV
>>> line coming to the shack as well as the telco lines in the shack.  I
>>> have a central ground panel where I will install the protective
>>> devices for telco and DirecTV by the existing RF surge protectors.
>>> One challenge is finding a lightning protection device for DirecTV as
>>> they feed power through the cable to power the LNB at the dish.  When
>>> I spoke with a DirecTV technician, he had no suggestions on what to
>>> use.  There are devices out there, just need to find them.  I also
>>> have a Speco Technology PTZ analog camera on the tower with 75 ohm
>>> video, 12 VDC power, and RS-485 control lines will also be protected
>>> at the same ground panel.  I?ve found suitable devices for the
>>> camera?s connections.
>>>
>>> AC power is also a concern.  A UPS is adequate for 120 VAC equipment
>>> such as computers and monitors but won?t protect 220 VAC devices such
>>> as high power amplifiers.  I?m still hoping to find a suitable surge
>>> protector designed for 220 VAC systems to plug between my amplifiers
>>> and the 220 VAC wall connection.
>>>
>>>   From an Elecraft perspective, I use fiber-to-ethernet interfaces
>>> between the Remote Rig devices and my network.  Thus, if a surge were
>>> to go from the K3?s RS-232 port to the RemoteRig RCC-1258MKII, the
>>> surge won?t be extended through the Remote Rig to the LAN.  My
>>> KPA-500 is attached to a RC-1216H (which provides a web interface for
>>> controlling the amplifier) which in turn has a ethernet-to-fiber
>>> interface which protects the network from a surge coming through the
>>> RC-1216H.  My KAT-500?s serial line is attached to a Lantronix
>>> Serial-to-Ethernet interface device which in turn is attached to an
>>> ethernet-to-fiber interface.  As my rotor controller RS-232 line is
>>> attached to the same Lantronix box, any surge coming from the rotor
>>> interface will also not go through the LAN network. Thus, there are
>>> no RS-232 line connections directly from my ham equipment to a
>>> computer, providing additional isolation for the computers.  I can?t
>>> say the same thing about USB connections, as some devices such as a
>>> Fun Cube Dongle won?t work if attached to a USB-to-Ethernet
>>> interface.  However, I do use a USB-to-Ethernet device for my
>>> Wavenode WN-2.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>>> Westborough, MA
>>> Folkston, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>> Neil Zampella
>>>> KN3ILZ
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired
>>>>> network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs,
>>>>> router, modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the
>>>>> PCs), and the Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by
>>>>> the road.  When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my
>>>>> PCs and have never regretted it.
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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:47:28 2016
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:47:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, Joe, Bill & Mike,

Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in correct
terminology - I mainly only operate CW.  I'll try again....

I'm using DATA A/AFSK A, setup for low tones (915/170) and the RTTY dual-PB
filter.  To illustrate what I'm hearing/seeing, imagine tuning down from
14.090 until you hear and can decode an RTTY signal.  Then continue tuning
down 915 Hz (to what I probably erroneously referred to as zero beat) and
then down another 915 Hz, I can now hear the same signal but inverted
(slightly weaker, but definitely there).  It is not decodeable, but it is
definitely there.  I assumed (yeah, I know) that the opposite sideband
should be suppresed, but I think that's what I'm hearing.  Any advice will
be appreciated.

Mike - W0AG

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

> Seems strange to me.  Don't or haven't noticed it with my K3S.   I would
> think they perform about the same in this regard.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 1/6/2016 10:40 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn
>> the
>> operation and iron out any kinks in my setup. Everything worked well
>> except
>> for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals and
>> copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I could
>> easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was
>> surprised
>> to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something setup
>> incorrectly?
>>
>> Mike - W0AG
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From g1mhu at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:50:38 2016
From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:50:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
In-Reply-To: <568D853C.4070102@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <F456328A61324A1998E39BBDA80AABE9@Toshiba><568CFAA3.2040601@charter.net><D346960ECFEF4BD9951C95D5763A915F@Toshiba><568D22B6.1070707@charter.net>
	<568D47E0.7030306@sideswiper.plus.com><0F412E12-3BC9-4FAB-88BE-E9A3A3D42E2B@yahoo.co.uk><568D5E99.4080604@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D64E2.2090408@comcast.net>
	<568D853C.4070102@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <DUB112-DS317FCFD91581D6230CB653E9F40@phx.gbl>

are you running these things  directly into the K3, or via a mic input lead 
from Heil??

Robin G1MHU 


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:03:25 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568DAB4D.9090507@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

Is the mark tone in MMTTY set to the same frequency as you have set in 
the K3?
IIRC, the default mark tone in MMTTY is 2175.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/6/2016 6:47 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Bob, Joe, Bill & Mike,
>
> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in correct
> terminology - I mainly only operate CW.  I'll try again....
>
> I'm using DATA A/AFSK A, setup for low tones (915/170) and the RTTY dual-PB
> filter.  To illustrate what I'm hearing/seeing, imagine tuning down from
> 14.090 until you hear and can decode an RTTY signal.  Then continue tuning
> down 915 Hz (to what I probably erroneously referred to as zero beat) and
> then down another 915 Hz, I can now hear the same signal but inverted
> (slightly weaker, but definitely there).  It is not decodeable, but it is
> definitely there.  I assumed (yeah, I know) that the opposite sideband
> should be suppresed, but I think that's what I'm hearing.  Any advice will
> be appreciated.
>
> Mike - W0AG
>
>


From ac2ev at frontier.com  Wed Jan  6 19:22:31 2016
From: ac2ev at frontier.com (Don Kiser)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:22:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
Message-ID: <491E2760-4687-429E-B116-25F71800A50B@frontier.com>


I  use a Square D Homeline SurgeBreaker 
Model HOM2175SB
As that's what fits my panel. Your panel may be different. You need to mount it as close to the top as possible and it takes up two spots, so that it covers both legs.
It has a small neutral pigtail that also gets connected.

I also use surge suppressors at each piece of electronic, home theater, TVs, computers, etc.

I have an L-Com unit on the telephone line coming into the house that is grounded to the electrical service panel. The cable TV is also tied to ground.

My main shack computer goes through a protected UPS.

Does it work? I hope so. All our services are underground but I've had one strike to tree next to the house and one strike across the street. No problems yet.


73
Don AC2EV


> On Jan 6, 2016, at 18:43, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
> [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?

From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan  6 19:30:45 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:30:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <491E2760-4687-429E-B116-25F71800A50B@frontier.com>
References: <491E2760-4687-429E-B116-25F71800A50B@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <568DB1B5.3000703@elecraft.com>

We closed this thread around 3:30 today.

73,

Eric
Moderator
/elecraft.com/

On 1/6/2016 4:22 PM, Don Kiser wrote:
> I  use a Square D Homeline SurgeBreaker
> Model HOM2175SB
>
....

From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com  Wed Jan  6 19:40:53 2016
From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <614868646.11750487.1452121339534.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>,
	<614868646.11750487.1452121339534.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <568DB415.22461.1C4A13D2@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:43:11 2016
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:43:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568DB49F.8040900@gmail.com>

Mike,

It could be that the band is quiet, this is a strong signal (S7 or more) 
and as you tune through to the opposite sideband the AGC is kicking up 
the gain so you hear the signal down some 70 dB or so, but if it is a 
strong signal on an otherwise fairly quiet band, you may hear it.

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 1/6/16 4:47 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Bob, Joe, Bill & Mike,
>
> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in correct
> terminology - I mainly only operate CW.  I'll try again....
>
> I'm using DATA A/AFSK A, setup for low tones (915/170) and the RTTY dual-PB
> filter.  To illustrate what I'm hearing/seeing, imagine tuning down from
> 14.090 until you hear and can decode an RTTY signal.  Then continue tuning
> down 915 Hz (to what I probably erroneously referred to as zero beat) and
> then down another 915 Hz, I can now hear the same signal but inverted
> (slightly weaker, but definitely there).  It is not decodeable, but it is
> definitely there.  I assumed (yeah, I know) that the opposite sideband
> should be suppresed, but I think that's what I'm hearing.  Any advice will
> be appreciated.
>
> Mike - W0AG
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Seems strange to me.  Don't or haven't noticed it with my K3S.   I would
>> think they perform about the same in this regard.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2016 10:40 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
>>
>>> I played a bit in the RTTY RU this weekend with my new-to-me K3 to learn
>>> the
>>> operation and iron out any kinks in my setup. Everything worked well
>>> except
>>> for a problem (?) on receive.  I was able to easily tune in signals and
>>> copy using MMTTY, but when I tuned to the other side of zero beat I could
>>> easily hear the same signal.  Obviously, it was inverted, but I was
>>> surprised
>>> to even hear it at all.  Is this normal or do I have something setup
>>> incorrectly?
>>>
>>> Mike - W0AG
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:59:14 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <568DB49F.8040900@gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568DB49F.8040900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568DB862.4070801@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

If you do find it is AGC that is producing that 'unwanted sideband' 
response, you may want to investigate your AGC slope and threshold settings.
To give you some guidance, look at my webpage www.w3fpr.com article on 
"Noisy K3".  I would suggest that you set those AGC parameters in CW or 
SSB mode to suit your preferences.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/6/2016 7:43 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
> Mike,
>
> It could be that the band is quiet, this is a strong signal (S7 or 
> more) and as you tune through to the opposite sideband the AGC is 
> kicking up the gain so you hear the signal down some 70 dB or so, but 
> if it is a strong signal on an otherwise fairly quiet band, you may 
> hear it.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
> On 1/6/16 4:47 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> Bob, Joe, Bill & Mike,
>>
>> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in correct
>> terminology - I mainly only operate CW.  I'll try again....
>>


From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan  6 20:14:21 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 20:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568DBBED.3090707@subich.com>


> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in
> correct terminology - I mainly only operate CW. I'll try again....

And I'll ask my questions again ... what *ROOFING FILTER* and what DSP
bandwidth are you using?

As Eric said in reply to your posting, this sounds like the offset is
incorrect on the roofing filter and allowing you to tune "past" zero
beat.  This is particularly true if you are using the SSB filter and
a wide DSP setting instead of the more typical CW filter (500 Hz)
centered on the mark/space tones (915/1085 Hz in your case).

Note: RTTY is typically lower sideband with MARK being the lower audio
tone and space being the higher audio tone because of the "reversal"
that occurs in the audio to RF translation.  In the K3 AFSK A is LSB
but DATA A is USB ... if you are using them interchangeably that may
also be causing you some confusion.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/6/2016 6:47 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Bob, Joe, Bill & Mike,
>
> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in correct
> terminology - I mainly only operate CW.  I'll try again....
>
> I'm using DATA A/AFSK A, setup for low tones (915/170) and the RTTY dual-PB
> filter.  To illustrate what I'm hearing/seeing, imagine tuning down from
> 14.090 until you hear and can decode an RTTY signal.  Then continue tuning
> down 915 Hz (to what I probably erroneously referred to as zero beat) and
> then down another 915 Hz, I can now hear the same signal but inverted
> (slightly weaker, but definitely there).  It is not decodeable, but it is
> definitely there.  I assumed (yeah, I know) that the opposite sideband
> should be suppresed, but I think that's what I'm hearing.  Any advice will
> be appreciated.
>
> Mike - W0AG
>

From neilz at techie.com  Wed Jan  6 21:17:43 2016
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:17:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lightning Protection (was-Re: suggested PC???)
In-Reply-To: <6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
Message-ID: <568DCAC7.5030808@techie.com>

Sorry, should have been more specific.  I'm talking TV cable coax, which 
goes though the UPS surge suppression system, rudimentary, but it works 
where I'm at currently.

That said, you've given me some ideas on what to do when we eventually 
move to someplace where I can put up more than a 60 foot end fed :)

73s,

Neil Z.
KN3ILZ

On 1/6/2016 12:52 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
> Neil:
>
>
>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW ... I've got everything setup wired in the shack, but everything (cable coax, ethernet, power) runs through an uninterruptible power supply (ups).   Many of the higher end models provide not only power surge protection and battery, but lightning/surge protection for coax and ethernet.
>
> By ?coax? do you mean cable TV coax or are you suggesting RF coax for amateur radio transceivers?  Clearly, UPS surge protection is not designed for anything on the order that an amateur transmitter (even QRP) can produce.  Further, UPS devices presume 75 ohm coax systems, not 50 Ohm as used in amateur radio antennas and transmitters. They are designed to protect a TV antenna or a cable setup box/cable modem.
>
> My shack in Georgia was impacted by an indirect hit in 2014 which damaged computers, amplifiers, ethernet switches, and a myriad of gear that was ?networked? in the shack as well as the house, even though I have Polyphasers on all of my RF cables going into the shack from the tower with an extensive ground system for lightning surges. What I didn?t have was adequate protection on my ethernet, coax from DirecTV, and telco lines in the shack where presumably the surge entered.  I didn?t want to go wireless on the LAN because I operate my station remote and wireless connections introduce a potential failure point that can?t be fixed unless I?m there to reset something.  Wireless is also slower than wired ethernet.
>
> My solution was to purchase Ethernet-to-Fiber converters to isolate my LAN network in the shack from the rest of the LAN in the house as well as provide isolation from individual components from one another. Thus, I ran dual 110 ft. fiber from the house to the hamshack (through existing buried conduit that also carries telco and DirecTV) that will keep surges from coming into the house through the ethernet connections from the shack.  I installed switches in the shack that have both LAN and Fiber so that I could isolate nearby components from the network in the shack.  I use ethernet-to-fiber converters with short fiber jumpers to individually isolate my high end equipment from the network (such as a  Flex-6700 and the computers in the shack).  These converters have no impact on the ability of the network to communicate (still 10/100/1000 MB depending upon the component that it protects).  I consider this an insurance policy?the cost of the fiber being significantly less than the cost of replacement of damaged equipment. Each converter has a 5V ?wall wart? which is plugged into a UPS primarily for surge protection but also keeps the network up in the event of power failure or momentary power fluctuation.
>
> I?m still in the process of installing protection for the DirecTV line coming to the shack as well as the telco lines in the shack.  I have a central ground panel where I will install the protective devices for telco and DirecTV by the existing RF surge protectors.  One challenge is finding a lightning protection device for DirecTV as they feed power through the cable to power the LNB at the dish.  When I spoke with a DirecTV technician, he had no suggestions on what to use.  There are devices out there, just need to find them.  I also have a Speco Technology PTZ analog camera on the tower with 75 ohm video, 12 VDC power, and RS-485 control lines will also be protected at the same ground panel.  I?ve found suitable devices for the camera?s connections.
>
> AC power is also a concern.  A UPS is adequate for 120 VAC equipment such as computers and monitors but won?t protect 220 VAC devices such as high power amplifiers.  I?m still hoping to find a suitable surge protector designed for 220 VAC systems to plug between my amplifiers and the 220 VAC wall connection.
>
>  From an Elecraft perspective, I use fiber-to-ethernet interfaces between the Remote Rig devices and my network.  Thus, if a surge were to go from the K3?s RS-232 port to the RemoteRig RCC-1258MKII, the surge won?t be extended through the Remote Rig to the LAN.  My KPA-500 is attached to a RC-1216H (which provides a web interface for controlling the amplifier) which in turn has a ethernet-to-fiber interface which protects the network from a surge coming through the RC-1216H.  My KAT-500?s serial line is attached to a Lantronix Serial-to-Ethernet interface device which in turn is attached to an ethernet-to-fiber interface.  As my rotor controller RS-232 line is attached to the same Lantronix box, any surge coming from the rotor interface will also not go through the LAN network.   Thus, there are no RS-232 line connections directly from my ham equipment to a computer, providing additional isolation for the computers.  I can?t say the same thing about USB connections, as some devices such as a Fun Cube Dongle won?t work if attached to a USB-to-Ethernet interface.  However, I do use a USB-to-Ethernet device for my Wavenode WN-2.
>   
>      
>
> 73,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Westborough, MA
> Folkston, GA
>
>
>> Neil Zampella
>> KN3ILZ
>>
>> On 1/5/2016 8:14 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>
>>> Don't use a wired network.  I had my shack computer on a wired network when I took a lightning hit a couple of years ago.
>>>
>>> Everything connected on the wired network was zapped (2 PCs, router, modem, K3 RS-232 port, WinKey (connected to one of the PCs), and the Cable TV amplifier located over 150 ft away out by the road.  When I rebuilt everything i went wireless with all of my PCs and have never regretted it.
>



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Jan  6 23:04:16 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 20:04:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <568DA5F0.7070605@att.net>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C6A69.7010401@wi.rr.com> <568D15AF.3080008@techie.com>
	<6CC6E3D7-9C82-4D95-99A7-9C68FC99F898@mac.com>
	<568D6C7A.4070504@blomand.net>
	<568D8886.3020606@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<568D903C.8010303@sonic.net>
	<C458F2D6-0D9F-4F6B-879F-C87CE6E607F3@gmail.com>
	<568DA5F0.7070605@att.net>
Message-ID: <CE379CED-4927-4AE0-8AE1-49F2A6DD24E4@wunderwood.org>

When I was in high school in Indianapolis, our next door neighbor was a ham. He worked on lightning arrestors at GE. He said that the impedance of a ground strap was too high for a lightning pulse. The lightning would use it as a guide, jumping between the strap and the guide. Until it got close to ground, then it went everywhere.

So don?t assume that lightning follows the rules you know about DC or AC power.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Well many years ago while working in New Orleans an electrician recommended these:
> 
> http://www.deltala.com/commercial-arrestors.php
> 
> I put in an LA302 almost 25 years ago.  Did it work, I can't tell as I have never lost any equipment or any gear except an old Telephone modem.  But by the damage I'm sure to surge was on the phone line not power line. That was based on where the shorted protection diodes were.Would I have lost anything else had the LA302 not been there is unknown.  Neighbor lost the control board on a dishwasher.
> 
> The electrician said that they put these in on the oil rigs in the gulf and they get hit all the time.
> 
> Pick one and "feel" protected.
> 
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
> 
> On 1/6/2016 5:12 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>> OK, I am curious, what are you guys using for the whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
>> Frank KG9H
>> 
>> 
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From shadle at katzenfisch.com  Wed Jan  6 23:38:11 2016
From: shadle at katzenfisch.com (John Shadle)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 04:38:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: K3/100 + ATU + KSYN3A + other upgrades
Message-ID: <CAB3n5H+xcJqVp_bNgJO=A0=E4N2nz_9dfthA08_Lb3FreEY4sA@mail.gmail.com>

I am considering upgrading to a new K3S, and I have a K3, currently.

What I am selling would be a basic model (10W) plus the 100W amplifier and
the 100W internal ATU. The stock 2.7kHz filter would be included. The
synthesizer has been upgraded to the latest version (KSYN3A) and other
hardware upgrades have been completed to make it current. A list of
upgrades completed will be included, along with full documentation.
Firmware is current. S/N is 110.

Physically, the rig is in excellent condition. There are no
scratches/dings. I am a non-smoker, and it has never been exposed to
cigarette, pipe, or cigar smoke.

For reference, a new K3S *kit* with these options, shipped from CA, would
be ~$3000 (go ahead and build it yourself on their site and check); of
course, factory built versions cost several hundred dollars more.

Asking for $2325 via PayPal (or $2250 via bank cheque or personal check
[shipped after the payment clears]). I will double box the rig and include
all of the relevant manuals.

Photos available upon request.

73
-john NE4U
Madison, WI

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 23:55:07 2016
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:55:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KY Command
Message-ID: <568DEFAB.1070606@comcast.net>

I am trying to use the KY command with Writelog for RTTY contesting.  I 
have no problem setting up a Keyboard shortcut which then sends the data 
in the KY command, however I cannot find a way to stop the K3 from 
transmitting after the command sends the data in KY.  I see there is an 
RX; command to end the TX.  I also tried a SWT16 to create a press of 
the XMIT button.  I cannot find a syntax that works for combining the RX 
or SWT16 command at the end of my KY command.  I do not want to use 
another key press.  I was hoping to do it with one line of data.

The command string does not appear to work with the KY command

Neither of these formats with return to radio to RX.

KY "callsign";RX;
or
KY "callsign;SWT16;

Any thoughts?

Rich

From kd7gc at q.com  Wed Jan  6 23:55:11 2016
From: kd7gc at q.com (kd7gc)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:55:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <491E2760-4687-429E-B116-25F71800A50B@frontier.com>
References: <491E2760-4687-429E-B116-25F71800A50B@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <000901d14907$8d7bbaf0$a87330d0$@com>

Square D Homeline is the cheapest of the Square D family of breakers.  You
are much better off using the Square D QO line.  They cost more, but they
are of much higher quality and reliability.  Ask your electrician or
electrical contractor what panel and breakers they have at home, and most
will use the QO line.

 

Alan - N7MIT

 

 

 

Alan R. Downing

Phoenix, AZ

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:24 PM
To: kd7gc
Subject: Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?

 


I  use a Square D Homeline SurgeBreaker 
Model HOM2175SB 
As that's what fits my panel. Your panel may be different. You need to mount
it as close to the top as possible and it takes up two spots, so that it
covers both legs. 
It has a small neutral pigtail that also gets connected. 

I also use surge suppressors at each piece of electronic, home theater, TVs,
computers, etc. 

I have an L-Com unit on the telephone line coming into the house that is
grounded to the electrical service panel. The cable TV is also tied to
ground. 

My main shack computer goes through a protected UPS. 

Does it work? I hope so. All our services are underground but I've had one
strike to tree next to the house and one strike across the street. No
problems yet. 


73 
Don AC2EV 


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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jan  6 23:57:32 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 20:57:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KY Command
In-Reply-To: <568DEFAB.1070606@comcast.net>
References: <568DEFAB.1070606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <267D502F-2FCE-4268-BF92-F2517C2CB1F7@elecraft.com>

Use the "KYW" form of the command. Inserting a 'W' in place of the normal space causes any subsequent command (in this case "RX;") to wait for the text string to be sent.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:

> I am trying to use the KY command with Writelog for RTTY contesting.  I have no problem setting up a Keyboard shortcut which then sends the data in the KY command, however I cannot find a way to stop the K3 from transmitting after the command sends the data in KY.  I see there is an RX; command to end the TX.  I also tried a SWT16 to create a press of the XMIT button.  I cannot find a syntax that works for combining the RX or SWT16 command at the end of my KY command.  I do not want to use another key press.  I was hoping to do it with one line of data.
> 
> The command string does not appear to work with the KY command
> 
> Neither of these formats with return to radio to RX.
> 
> KY "callsign";RX;
> or
> KY "callsign;SWT16;
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Rich
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jan  7 00:17:33 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:17:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KY Command
In-Reply-To: <568DEFAB.1070606@comcast.net>
References: <568DEFAB.1070606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5CA15519-6886-48C8-8E6A-56820DBEDB86@widomaker.com>

Yes, I had the same issue last weekend.  I rec?d help from several listers including Dick who showed me the proper syntax for n1mm.  Below is the function key file I used with n1mm.

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The "<04>;? is a ^D or ctrl-D which is an EOT (end of transmission) character from ?days of olde? i?m told. The brackets indicate HEX base.

I realize these are for n1mm, your software may be totally different.  Hope this helps, some.

?bill  nr4c

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I am trying to use the KY command with Writelog for RTTY contesting.  I have no problem setting up a Keyboard shortcut which then sends the data in the KY command, however I cannot find a way to stop the K3 from transmitting after the command sends the data in KY.  I see there is an RX; command to end the TX.  I also tried a SWT16 to create a press of the XMIT button.  I cannot find a syntax that works for combining the RX or SWT16 command at the end of my KY command.  I do not want to use another key press.  I was hoping to do it with one line of data.
> 
> The command string does not appear to work with the KY command
> 
> Neither of these formats with return to radio to RX.
> 
> KY "callsign";RX;
> or
> KY "callsign;SWT16;
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Rich
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 00:18:51 2016
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:18:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KY Command
In-Reply-To: <267D502F-2FCE-4268-BF92-F2517C2CB1F7@elecraft.com>
References: <568DEFAB.1070606@comcast.net>
	<267D502F-2FCE-4268-BF92-F2517C2CB1F7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <568DF53B.5010102@comcast.net>

Thanks so much.  It worked like a champ.  I guess I should not have 
"assumed" that the Prog Ref I googled was the most recent.  The one on 
your site shows the KYW quite clearly.

My bad.

Thank you
Rich
On 1/6/2016 23:57 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Use the "KYW" form of the command. Inserting a 'W' in place of the normal space causes any subsequent command (in this case "RX;") to wait for the text string to be sent.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I am trying to use the KY command with Writelog for RTTY contesting.  I have no problem setting up a Keyboard shortcut which then sends the data in the KY command, however I cannot find a way to stop the K3 from transmitting after the command sends the data in KY.  I see there is an RX; command to end the TX.  I also tried a SWT16 to create a press of the XMIT button.  I cannot find a syntax that works for combining the RX or SWT16 command at the end of my KY command.  I do not want to use another key press.  I was hoping to do it with one line of data.
>>
>> The command string does not appear to work with the KY command
>>
>> Neither of these formats with return to radio to RX.
>>
>> KY "callsign";RX;
>> or
>> KY "callsign;SWT16;
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Rich
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From steamerone at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 11:35:15 2016
From: steamerone at mac.com (Robert Biamonte)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website Down
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12714.1452123822.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.12714.1452123822.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <FA379818-EE08-4068-9D90-9AEEC7D18EF4@mac.com>

Hello,
I called Elecraft this morning, Thu, Jan. 7 and the call went to voicemail so I couldn't verify if their website was down or this is an external problem. 
I used the DNS flushing method posted earlier and that did not make any difference.
Anyone have any newer info? 

73, 
Rob W3OMW


From nbpriddy at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 11:45:37 2016
From: nbpriddy at aol.com (Nathern Priddy)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:45:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted - KIO3A
Message-ID: <1521cfab1c6-7672-f9e@webprd-a45.mail.aol.com>

I have a problem with the line out on my K3.  Therefore, I need a KIO3A to get audio to the computer.  Anyone who upgraded to the KIO3B have a KIO3A you'd like to sell?

Send me an email stating your price, including shipping, and what form of payment you'd like.  I prefer paypal but will do a USPS money order or a personal check. 

Barry Priddy - K5VIP

From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan  7 11:46:19 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 08:46:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Whole house surge protector at the main breaker?
In-Reply-To: <000901d14907$8d7bbaf0$a87330d0$@com>
References: <491E2760-4687-429E-B116-25F71800A50B@frontier.com>
	<000901d14907$8d7bbaf0$a87330d0$@com>
Message-ID: <568E965B.7040302@elecraft.com>

Folks - this OT thread was closed yesterday afternoon due to the extremely high 
number of postings.

Please end the thread.

73,
Eric
List modulator
/elecraft.com/

On 1/6/2016 8:55 PM, kd7gc wrote:
> Square D Homeline is the cheapest of the Square D family of breakers.  You
> are much better off using the Square D QO line.  They cost more, but they
> are of much higher quality and reliability.  Ask your electrician or
> electrical contractor what panel and breakers they have at home, and most
> will use the QO line.
>
> Alan - N7MIT
>

From steamerone at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 12:26:58 2016
From: steamerone at mac.com (Robert Biamonte)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:26:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website Down
Message-ID: <C8CF423D-FBB0-4FC4-A996-70A67D006875@mac.com>

Thank you for all your feedback.  Apparently, here in Southeast Pennsylvania, something is fubar.  I have reported the trouble to Verizon and indicated a sample of the areas that are accessing Elecraft and those that I know of that are not working.  
The Elecraft tech dept. is looking into it again.

73,
Rob

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Thu Jan  7 14:02:40 2016
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:02:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re:  Elecraft Website Down
Message-ID: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>


still down in york pa

very amazimg !

Bob K3DJC




Thank you for all your feedback.  Apparently, here in Southeast
Pennsylvania, something is fubar.  I have reported the trouble to Verizon
and indicated a sample of the areas that are accessing Elecraft and those
that I know of that are not working.  
The Elecraft tech dept. is looking into it again.

73,
Rob
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan  7 14:31:53 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:31:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
In-Reply-To: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <568EBD29.8010102@elecraft.com>

Bob - Are you also a Verizon customer?

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/7/2016 11:02 AM, riese-k3djc at juno.com wrote:
> still down in york pa
>
> very amazimg !
>
> Bob K3DJC
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for all your feedback.  Apparently, here in Southeast
> Pennsylvania, something is fubar.  I have reported the trouble to Verizon
> and indicated a sample of the areas that are accessing Elecraft and those
> that I know of that are not working.
> The Elecraft tech dept. is looking into it again.
>
> 73,
> Rob
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan  7 14:37:45 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:37:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Noise blanker comments
In-Reply-To: <42AADEF2-E86C-47DA-A05A-21FAC480666F@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <2F281D902E10CABD.1DBA5D3C-CFDC-488B-B062-7FF28B35587B@mail.outlook.com>
	<8706A9DE-DB68-42C4-8431-3551474A3135@yahoo.co.uk>
	<EBF51DA0-3EBE-44F1-B4D5-7077EAB4DA87@elecraft.com>
	<42AADEF2-E86C-47DA-A05A-21FAC480666F@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <910F543D-DBEF-469A-858B-24D0CEE67932@yahoo.co.uk>

I promised to record an example of rain static on 144 MHz that defeats the noise blanker on the KX3, but which a wideband SDR receiver can almost entirely eliminate. As Wayne explained this is to be expected, but he was interested in seeing if things could be improved.

So I have two short but large I/Q recordings made with HDSDR (note not ordinary audio files) centred on 144.500MHz and in there we have a weak beacon on 144.482 MHz CW which keys and also sends JT65B at times in one of the recordings. There is also a strong radiated birdie which is from the KX3 which was on at the time on 144.400 MHz. The rain static is intermittent so you may hear those weak signals when the static is gone. The HDSDR software can eliminate the static if its RF NB is switched on and the level adjusted.

I suggest that the free software HDSDR be used to replay the files. 

The two files are:

1. JT65B beacon example
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx7H6CQsV80hU2FpeGdxTWlEWXc


2. CW beacon example
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx7H6CQsV80hV2I3dlVBb0ZvM28


I hope the files will be of some value.

Best wishes and a prosperous 2016 to all at Elecraft.

David GM4JJJ


> On 11 Dec 2015, at 18:55, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> Many thanks for the comprehensive reply.
> 
> Next time I encounter the static rain/snow that completely overwhelmed the KX3 noise blanker, I will make a short wide band RF recording from the SDR and can send you a link to the file which may help with developing other DSP noise blanking algorithms.
> 
> I do agree the existing KX3 noise blanker does a great job on other types of pulse noises, and doesn't suffer much when used in the presence of other strong signals on the band. Much much better in that respect than my previous transceivers.
> 
> For now I am happy to use the KX3 in tandem with the wide band SDR when I need to blank out the rain static on 144 MHz which happens from time to time.
> 
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> 
>> On 11 Dec 2015, at 15:48, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> The KX3's noise blanker is implemented entirely within its DSP. Ahead of the DSP are the mixer and its duplexer, which have a finite bandwidth, and possibly the roofing filters, which have much narrower bandwidths. Because of this, there's no way for the DSP to gain access to wideband data for blanking purposes. 
>> 
>> While this does reduced effectiveness on some types of noise, the blanker still works well on most. I use it every day at my QTH on noise ranging from telephone-pole ESD to appliances and computer peripherals. And because the blanker is strictly operating within a narrow bandwidth, it cannot easily be "pumped" by signals well outside the IF passband.
>> 
>> The KX3's narrowband filtering also gives it a big advantage in blocking dynamic range compared to other SDRs that have nearly unlimited input bandwidth. For example, Sherwood measured the KX3's BDR at 138 dB, compared to something in the low to mid 120's for "pure" SDRs. The KX3 is also fifth on Sherwood's list for 2-kHz IMDDR3, again because of the narrow roofing filter.
>> 
>> Since the DSP controls blanking, it may be possible to implement additional noise blanking algorithms in the future. That is definitely on our list. If you send us a detailed description of the types of noise you encounter, we could try to duplicate them in the lab during this effort.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 3:59 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Still interested in any comments about how the KX3 noise blanker is implemented, and if it could be improved to make it as effective as the wide band RF blanker in HDSDR.
>>> 
>>> I now have the SDRPlay tracking the KX3 VFO so that in the event of static rain QRN I can switch to the SDRPlay for good copy when the KX3 is useless.
>>> 
>>> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>> 
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From ai4co at outlook.com  Thu Jan  7 15:37:34 2016
From: ai4co at outlook.com (Randy Moore)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:37:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
In-Reply-To: <568EBD29.8010102@elecraft.com>
References: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
	<568EBD29.8010102@elecraft.com>
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Suggestion - try using a different DNS server. 
 Try the Google DNS server to see if that works. 
 It is 8.8.8.8 you can plug that into your network setting and you will
probably be able to get to the Elecraft.com website.


AI4CO
Randy Moore


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric
Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 2:32 PM
To: riese-k3djc at juno.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down

Bob - Are you also a Verizon customer?

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/7/2016 11:02 AM, riese-k3djc at juno.com wrote:
> still down in york pa
>
> very amazimg !
>
> Bob K3DJC
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for all your feedback.  Apparently, here in Southeast 
> Pennsylvania, something is fubar.  I have reported the trouble to 
> Verizon and indicated a sample of the areas that are accessing 
> Elecraft and those that I know of that are not working.
> The Elecraft tech dept. is looking into it again.
>
> 73,
> Rob
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From kg6mti at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  7 15:38:04 2016
From: kg6mti at sbcglobal.net (David Davis)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
In-Reply-To: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <568ECCAC.2040902@sbcglobal.net>

I really thought this thread was put to sleep.

While I feel for the users that are not able to access the Elecraft 
site. This does not appear to be related to use of this forum. The 
technical issues causing the outage for a limited number of users is not 
related to Elecraft or even their website service provider.

An email was sent out a few days ago altering everyone that the service 
provider for Elecraft's website is working with Verizon to resolve the 
issue for those effected. In addition, several users here have posted 
that they have contacted Version. It appears at least on the surface 
that the issue is isolated and is currently being resolved.

Personally I enjoy reading the messages related to the use of Elecraft 
equipment or related accessories. But my inbox is getting hammered with 
emails from users letting the entire community know that they are unable 
to access a single website on the Internet. I really don't want to have 
to unsubscribe for a while just to avoid getting these emails. Its a bit 
annoying and provides no value to the other readers of this forum 
keeping everyone informed about not being able to view the Elecraft website.

I hope everyone has a great rest of the day.

Thanks,
David
KG6MTI


On 1/7/16 12:02 PM, riese-k3djc at juno.com wrote:
> still down in york pa
>
> very amazimg !
>
> Bob K3DJC
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for all your feedback.  Apparently, here in Southeast
> Pennsylvania, something is fubar.  I have reported the trouble to Verizon
> and indicated a sample of the areas that are accessing Elecraft and those
> that I know of that are not working.
> The Elecraft tech dept. is looking into it again.
>
> 73,
> Rob
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From wes at triconet.org  Thu Jan  7 16:09:28 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:09:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
In-Reply-To: <568ECCAC.2040902@sbcglobal.net>
References: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
	<568ECCAC.2040902@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <568ED408.5090309@triconet.org>

Go ahead and unsubscribe.  I have no interest in the subject either, but I have 
a Delete key.

On 1/7/2016 1:38 PM, David Davis wrote:
> I really thought this thread was put to sleep.
>
> While I feel for the users that are not able to access the Elecraft site. This 
> does not appear to be related to use of this forum. The technical issues 
> causing the outage for a limited number of users is not related to Elecraft or 
> even their website service provider.
>
> An email was sent out a few days ago altering everyone that the service 
> provider for Elecraft's website is working with Verizon to resolve the issue 
> for those effected. In addition, several users here have posted that they have 
> contacted Version. It appears at least on the surface that the issue is 
> isolated and is currently being resolved.
>
> Personally I enjoy reading the messages related to the use of Elecraft 
> equipment or related accessories. But my inbox is getting hammered with emails 
> from users letting the entire community know that they are unable to access a 
> single website on the Internet. I really don't want to have to unsubscribe for 
> a while just to avoid getting these emails. Its a bit annoying and provides no 
> value to the other readers of this forum keeping everyone informed about not 
> being able to view the Elecraft website.
>
> I hope everyone has a great rest of the day.
>
> Thanks,
> David
> KG6MTI
>


From hans.elfelt at me.com  Thu Jan  7 16:43:08 2016
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:43:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2- broadband reception on 60 m
Message-ID: <8FEAA62B-18CA-4EAE-A96A-929D751A931F@me.com>

Dear Elecraft

 

My K2  (# 7359) has been operating flawlessly SSB on all bands since dec 2013.

Suddenly for unknown reasons reception on 5343 kHz Upper Sideband seems to act very strange.

On 60 meters and on this band only signals are coming in very loudly but seem

to be intermixed and dispersed over several kilohertz without any chance of hitting a proper normal SSB readability.

The receiver acts like a wide open broadband receiver, but strangely enough after app 10 minutes it starts slowly to act normally,

and commence to be tuneable. 

Where to look ?

 

Hans , OZ5RB

From w0agmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 17:24:54 2016
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:24:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <568DBBED.3090707@subich.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568DBBED.3090707@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEJNSBy1EEQtPu254xfMt7r5S4DEqp-D=GAWToEn60XUkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Joe, et.al.,

I finally got back to the shack to check the setup.  It looks like I was
actually using a 1.8 kHz SSB roofing filter in conjunction with the 500 Hz
dual PB DSP filter.  I also checked the filter offsets which were all at
0.0 (all 8 pole) and I was using AFSK A mode.  Is the effect I'm seeing due
to use of the 1.8 filter or do I have more research to do?

Thanks for everyone's input and patience - seems like the learning curve is
getting worse with age.

Mike - W0AG

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in
>> correct terminology - I mainly only operate CW. I'll try again....
>>
>
> And I'll ask my questions again ... what *ROOFING FILTER* and what DSP
> bandwidth are you using?
>
> As Eric said in reply to your posting, this sounds like the offset is
> incorrect on the roofing filter and allowing you to tune "past" zero
> beat.  This is particularly true if you are using the SSB filter and
> a wide DSP setting instead of the more typical CW filter (500 Hz)
> centered on the mark/space tones (915/1085 Hz in your case).
>
> Note: RTTY is typically lower sideband with MARK being the lower audio
> tone and space being the higher audio tone because of the "reversal"
> that occurs in the audio to RF translation.  In the K3 AFSK A is LSB
> but DATA A is USB ... if you are using them interchangeably that may
> also be causing you some confusion.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 1/6/2016 6:47 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> Bob, Joe, Bill & Mike,
>>
>> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in correct
>> terminology - I mainly only operate CW.  I'll try again....
>>
>> I'm using DATA A/AFSK A, setup for low tones (915/170) and the RTTY
>> dual-PB
>> filter.  To illustrate what I'm hearing/seeing, imagine tuning down from
>> 14.090 until you hear and can decode an RTTY signal.  Then continue tuning
>> down 915 Hz (to what I probably erroneously referred to as zero beat) and
>> then down another 915 Hz, I can now hear the same signal but inverted
>> (slightly weaker, but definitely there).  It is not decodeable, but it is
>> definitely there.  I assumed (yeah, I know) that the opposite sideband
>> should be suppresed, but I think that's what I'm hearing.  Any advice will
>> be appreciated.
>>
>> Mike - W0AG
>>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan  7 18:00:34 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEJNSBy1EEQtPu254xfMt7r5S4DEqp-D=GAWToEn60XUkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568DBBED.3090707@subich.com>
	<CAP7zeEJNSBy1EEQtPu254xfMt7r5S4DEqp-D=GAWToEn60XUkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568EEE12.80200@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

That effect should have nothing to do with the 1.8kHz filter.

I would go with Lyle's suggestion that it is the AGC that is allowing 
you to hear the opposite sideband of strong signals.

To give that suspicion a quick check, turn off the preamp and add 
attenuation, then reduce the RF Gain as necessary to protect your ears.
Then turn off the AGC.  Tune to a moderately strong signal such that you 
can decode it well.
Now tune to the opposite sideband.  Do you hear a significant drop in 
the opposite sideband?  If so, your AGC settings may need some work.
If not, there is a problem with the opposite sideband response in your 
K3 - reload the DSP firmware, and if no help there, contact K3support.

One other thought - did you experience this with only one RTTY station?  
If so, that one station may be operating with a Double Sideband signal, 
and what you are hearing is the same as what would be heard by any other 
station listening to that signal.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/7/2016 5:24 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Joe, et.al.,
>
> I finally got back to the shack to check the setup.  It looks like I was
> actually using a 1.8 kHz SSB roofing filter in conjunction with the 500 Hz
> dual PB DSP filter.  I also checked the filter offsets which were all at
> 0.0 (all 8 pole) and I was using AFSK A mode.  Is the effect I'm seeing due
> to use of the 1.8 filter or do I have more research to do?
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan  7 17:43:45 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:43:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2- broadband reception on 60 m
In-Reply-To: <8FEAA62B-18CA-4EAE-A96A-929D751A931F@me.com>
References: <8FEAA62B-18CA-4EAE-A96A-929D751A931F@me.com>
Message-ID: <568EEA21.4020304@embarqmail.com>

Hans,

That is very strange for such a condition to be present on only one 
band.  Are you certain it is not also present on 20, 17 and 15 meters?  
If so, that would indicate a problem with the BFO for Upper Sideband.  
The USB BFO is at a higher frequency than the other BFO settings, and it 
may be that the BFO signal is weak at the Product Detector when you 
first turn the K2 on, and it corrects itself after a bit of warmup.

Other than that, I cannot think of any reason for that behavior.

By process of elimination for specific problem areas:
1) You say the signals are loud - that rules out the bandpass and low 
pass filter areas.  The only thing the K60XV does to the bandpass filter 
is to add the capacitors necessary to tune to 60 meters - and that is 
done through relay contacts.  If that relay or the capacitors were a 
problem, the signals would not be loud, but attenuated.
2) It does not happen on any other band - that rules out the BFO and the 
USB filters (even though I suggested it above).  The BFO is not band 
dependent.
3) No other circuits in the K2 should cause the symptoms that you refer to.

I would suggest that the problem could be in your 60 meter antenna 
system.  Loose connections with some oxidation that could be acting like 
diodes which rectify a broad spectrum of RF.  If you transmit, that 
connection can be "healed" temporarily allowing normal reception.  
Loosen all your antenna connections and reseat them. Tighten any PL-259 
connectors tighter than finger tight (use pliers to snug them up a bit 
after tightening).

Sorry, but I don't have any other suggestions.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/7/2016 4:43 PM, Hans Bonnesen wrote:
> My K2  (# 7359) has been operating flawlessly SSB on all bands since dec 2013.
>
> Suddenly for unknown reasons reception on 5343 kHz Upper Sideband seems to act very strange.
>
> On 60 meters and on this band only signals are coming in very loudly but seem
>
> to be intermixed and dispersed over several kilohertz without any chance of hitting a proper normal SSB readability.
>
> The receiver acts like a wide open broadband receiver, but strangely enough after app 10 minutes it starts slowly to act normally,
>
> and commence to be tuneable.
>
> Where to look ?
>
>


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Thu Jan  7 18:15:37 2016
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 20:15:37 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Installation Instructions
In-Reply-To: <568C4999.8000600@subich.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113805956378FCF8418EEDC8B6F30@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<568C0929.1010405@gmail.com>
	<CALuSmOf_=CxA4DbjL9JFfV4gntU++FbkuQp86B6F2OmDwFjzXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<011f01d147ee$c27fa9b0$477efd10$@com> <568C4486.1040401@aol.com>
	<568C4999.8000600@subich.com>
Message-ID: <568EF199.5000405@horizon.co.fk>

G'day,

Just downloaded the KIO3B installation instructions and in "Appendix A - 
K144XV Cabling" page 16, the written reference to Figure 16 and 17 on 
page 16 is the reverse of the illustrations Figure 16 and 17 on page 17.

Didn't notice if there was an errata, wasn't looking for one this early.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 18:29:04 2016
From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:29:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Transmit
Message-ID: <CADENs2_mLYCV53krpWeNKHn_Z-rH3_U-LmJPxs125XCyYemWYw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if something is wrong or its my lack of experience. I just got
my K2 put together and sent it to Don to do some repairs and align it. Don
got it working good. I then got a Kenwood MC-43S microphone and hook it up
like Don told me to. I still have not been able to make a single contact
with it. I am using a inverted V dipole at 25 feet with a SWR of 1:1 across
the 20 Meter Band. The receive on the radio is awesome and I try to answer
CQ calls and get no reply, same as when I call CQ. I'm not sure what else
to check.
Thank you
Aaron SCOTT
K5ATG

From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  7 18:47:30 2016
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:47:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Transmit
In-Reply-To: <CADENs2_mLYCV53krpWeNKHn_Z-rH3_U-LmJPxs125XCyYemWYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADENs2_mLYCV53krpWeNKHn_Z-rH3_U-LmJPxs125XCyYemWYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL131-W664FA99601CDED998B2350D0F50@phx.gbl>

Hi Aaron,
  I can relate.. the band is a bit different today.. 
but if you have time.. I could meet up with you?
Where are you calling?

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:29:04 -0600
> From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Transmit
> 
> I'm not sure if something is wrong or its my lack of experience. I just got
> my K2 put together and sent it to Don to do some repairs and align it. Don
> got it working good. I then got a Kenwood MC-43S microphone and hook it up
> like Don told me to. I still have not been able to make a single contact
> with it. I am using a inverted V dipole at 25 feet with a SWR of 1:1 across
> the 20 Meter Band. The receive on the radio is awesome and I try to answer
> CQ calls and get no reply, same as when I call CQ. I'm not sure what else
> to check.
> Thank you
> Aaron SCOTT
> K5ATG
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 19:22:17 2016
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:22:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Transmit
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W664FA99601CDED998B2350D0F50@phx.gbl>
References: <CADENs2_mLYCV53krpWeNKHn_Z-rH3_U-LmJPxs125XCyYemWYw@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL131-W664FA99601CDED998B2350D0F50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <80F19EFB-DDDC-460C-9C51-15662B8F423A@gmail.com>

OK Aaron,
Put it on a frequency on 40 tonight and post it.  We all will listen for you.
Frank KG9H

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Dale Putnam <daleputnam at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Aaron,
>  I can relate.. the band is a bit different today.. 
> but if you have time.. I could meet up with you?
> Where are you calling?
> 
> Have a great day, 
> 
> 
> --...   ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:29:04 -0600
>> From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com <mailto:k5atg.aaron at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Transmit
>> 
>> I'm not sure if something is wrong or its my lack of experience. I just got
>> my K2 put together and sent it to Don to do some repairs and align it. Don
>> got it working good. I then got a Kenwood MC-43S microphone and hook it up
>> like Don told me to. I still have not been able to make a single contact
>> with it. I am using a inverted V dipole at 25 feet with a SWR of 1:1 across
>> the 20 Meter Band. The receive on the radio is awesome and I try to answer
>> CQ calls and get no reply, same as when I call CQ. I'm not sure what else
>> to check.
>> Thank you
>> Aaron SCOTT
>> K5ATG
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan  7 19:23:36 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:23:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
In-Reply-To: <568ED408.5090309@triconet.org>
References: <AABMJ7P46A32PU8A@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
	<568ECCAC.2040902@sbcglobal.net> <568ED408.5090309@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <568F0188.7020307@elecraft.com>

Wes - That was an inappropriate response and outside of the list guidelines.

Guys - ALWAYS keep it polite, even when you disagree.

Regards,

Eric
Moderator
/elecraft.com/

On 1/7/2016 1:09 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> Go ahead and unsubscribe.  I have no interest in the subject either, but I 
> have a Delete key.
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan  7 19:35:39 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:35:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
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References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568DBBED.3090707@subich.com>
	<CAP7zeEJNSBy1EEQtPu254xfMt7r5S4DEqp-D=GAWToEn60XUkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568F045B.6070903@foothill.net>

Maybe.  The K3 offers so many ways to configure things, not all 
combinations are guaranteed to be optimal.  You might also try not using 
the dual PB DSP, my experience has been that MMTTY and 2TONE decode a 
bit better without it.  I have the "stock" 2.7 KHz filter, and a 5-pole 
500 Hz.  I normally run RTTY contests with 300 Hz DSP, and 915 Hz MARK 
AFSK-A.  I find that decode accuracy starts to degrade below 300 Hz DSP BW.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/7/2016 2:24 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

> I finally got back to the shack to check the setup.  It looks like I was
> actually using a 1.8 kHz SSB roofing filter in conjunction with the 500 Hz
> dual PB DSP filter.  I also checked the filter offsets which were all at
> 0.0 (all 8 pole) and I was using AFSK A mode.  Is the effect I'm seeing due
> to use of the 1.8 filter or do I have more research to do?

> Mike - W0AG


From kh7t at arrl.net  Thu Jan  7 20:53:01 2016
From: kh7t at arrl.net (John Buck)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:53:01 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgrade with USB and p3 using cblp3y cable.
Message-ID: <568F167D.3060900@arrl.net>

How do I get my Frequency display back while using the usb cable to the 
computer.
The P3 utility seems to be working.  I seem to have the latest firmware 
and utilities.

All I can find is the the frequency display on P3 works with rs232. It was.

I cannot get it with the CB3Y.

I checked the switch on the KIO3B board.  It is in the right position.

If it is documented, where?

John KH7T

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jan  7 21:04:59 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgrade with USB and p3 using cblp3y cable.
In-Reply-To: <568F167D.3060900@arrl.net>
References: <568F167D.3060900@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <7429A1A2-B2F8-4988-B4DD-C41AFEE9C61C@widomaker.com>

Check the K3S manual on cabling the P3 with the "Y" cable. I don't have the manual handy but it is quite easy. USB cable to K3S and then the Y cable connects to both P3 sockets and the RJ45 on back of K3S. Set K3S RS232 to USB. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 7, 2016, at 8:53 PM, John Buck <kh7t at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> How do I get my Frequency display back while using the usb cable to the computer.
> The P3 utility seems to be working.  I seem to have the latest firmware and utilities.
> 
> All I can find is the the frequency display on P3 works with rs232. It was.
> 
> I cannot get it with the CB3Y.
> 
> I checked the switch on the KIO3B board.  It is in the right position.
> 
> If it is documented, where?
> 
> John KH7T
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 21:32:44 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:32:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
In-Reply-To: <568EBD29.8010102@elecraft.com>
References: <568EBD29.8010102@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <992337870.1509065.1452220364558.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>


Finally working again in Central NY
I have Verizon FIOS




 

      From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <eric at elecraft.com>
 To: riese-k3djc at juno.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
   
Bob - Are you also a Verizon customer?

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/7/2016 11:02 AM, riese-k3djc at juno.com wrote:
> still down in york pa
>
> very amazimg !
>
> Bob K3DJC
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for all your feedback.? Apparently, here in Southeast
> Pennsylvania, something is fubar.? I have reported the trouble to Verizon
> and indicated a sample of the areas that are accessing Elecraft and those
> that I know of that are not working.
> The Elecraft tech dept. is looking into it again.
>
> 73,
> Rob
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From wes at triconet.org  Thu Jan  7 23:41:18 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:41:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - AFSK anamoly? No replies, try again
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEJNSBy1EEQtPu254xfMt7r5S4DEqp-D=GAWToEn60XUkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKWOscrs6xsvz-1_Oj_P1JaS-oMUp4cus3AE2QByrohYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D6AF6.5070604@blomand.net>
	<CAP7zeEJk7VvCv6x8CGzYOipzrjpcLW1v=+eSndv3RPHaap5CJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568DBBED.3090707@subich.com>
	<CAP7zeEJNSBy1EEQtPu254xfMt7r5S4DEqp-D=GAWToEn60XUkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568F3DEE.40400@triconet.org>

Assuming that when the OP says "tuning" he is turning the VFO knob, then here's 
my take.  All of the worry about roofing filters (gad how I hate that term) is 
for nothing. The crystal filters in conjunction with so-called hardware AGC are 
there to protect the delicate 2nd mixer from overload in the presence of strong 
signals. (Conventional wisdom says "protect the DSP" but the mixer is way weaker 
than the DSP. )

Absent that condition, the demodulation BW is set in DSP and non-hardware AGC is 
developed in that same bandwidth.  Depending upon the strength of the desired 
signal and AGC threshold and slope, some amount of AGC will be developed when 
the desired signal is within the DSP BW.  Hence there is some amount of gain 
reduction in play.  When you tune to the opposite sideband, that AGC gain 
reduction goes away, raising the amplitude of the unwanted sideband with respect 
to the desired signal.  In other words, you cannot measure opposite sideband 
rejection unless 1) the gain remains constant or 2) some amount of known 
attenuation is included and accounted for in the calculation.  This is pretty 
much what Lyle was talking about earlier.

One more thing.  If we understand that a superhetrodyne receiver is nothing more 
than a narrow BPF that can be tuned over the spectrum then that "roofing filter" 
that overlays the DSP filter tunes right along with it.   The belief that 
somehow when you tune "below zero beat" the crystal filter stays put while the 
DSP passband moves is silly.

Wes  N7WS



On 1/7/2016 3:24 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Joe, et.al.,
>
> I finally got back to the shack to check the setup.  It looks like I was
> actually using a 1.8 kHz SSB roofing filter in conjunction with the 500 Hz
> dual PB DSP filter.  I also checked the filter offsets which were all at
> 0.0 (all 8 pole) and I was using AFSK A mode.  Is the effect I'm seeing due
> to use of the 1.8 filter or do I have more research to do?
>
> Thanks for everyone's input and patience - seems like the learning curve is
> getting worse with age.
>
> Mike - W0AG
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV<lists at subich.com>  wrote:
>
>> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in
>>> correct terminology - I mainly only operate CW. I'll try again....
>>>
>> And I'll ask my questions again ... what *ROOFING FILTER* and what DSP
>> bandwidth are you using?
>>
>> As Eric said in reply to your posting, this sounds like the offset is
>> incorrect on the roofing filter and allowing you to tune "past" zero
>> beat.  This is particularly true if you are using the SSB filter and
>> a wide DSP setting instead of the more typical CW filter (500 Hz)
>> centered on the mark/space tones (915/1085 Hz in your case).
>>
>> Note: RTTY is typically lower sideband with MARK being the lower audio
>> tone and space being the higher audio tone because of the "reversal"
>> that occurs in the audio to RF translation.  In the K3 AFSK A is LSB
>> but DATA A is USB ... if you are using them interchangeably that may
>> also be causing you some confusion.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2016 6:47 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>>
>>> Bob, Joe, Bill & Mike,
>>>
>>> Since I'm new to RTTY, I probably didn't describe my question in correct
>>> terminology - I mainly only operate CW.  I'll try again....
>>>
>>> I'm using DATA A/AFSK A, setup for low tones (915/170) and the RTTY
>>> dual-PB
>>> filter.  To illustrate what I'm hearing/seeing, imagine tuning down from
>>> 14.090 until you hear and can decode an RTTY signal.  Then continue tuning
>>> down 915 Hz (to what I probably erroneously referred to as zero beat) and
>>> then down another 915 Hz, I can now hear the same signal but inverted
>>> (slightly weaker, but definitely there).  It is not decodeable, but it is
>>> definitely there.  I assumed (yeah, I know) that the opposite sideband
>>> should be suppresed, but I think that's what I'm hearing.  Any advice will
>>> be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Mike - W0AG
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>


From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Thu Jan  7 23:40:51 2016
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:40:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: Elecraft Website Down
Message-ID: <AABMJ8RWLA6HE9B2@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>


yepper they have york pa up as well

Bob K3DJC

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>
writes:


Finally working again in Central NY


I have Verizon FIOS

From fcady at montana.edu  Fri Jan  8 09:30:25 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 14:30:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgrade with USB and p3 using cblp3y cable.
In-Reply-To: <568F167D.3060900@arrl.net>
References: <568F167D.3060900@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB0809BF8F3A439AE4977DA29CAFF60@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John,
Make sure the RJ45 is plugged all the way in.  You should hear a definite click when it is seated properly.
73,
Fred KE7X

For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com

________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of John Buck <kh7t at arrl.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:53 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgrade with USB and p3 using cblp3y cable.

How do I get my Frequency display back while using the usb cable to the
computer.
The P3 utility seems to be working.  I seem to have the latest firmware
and utilities.

All I can find is the the frequency display on P3 works with rs232. It was.

I cannot get it with the CB3Y.

I checked the switch on the KIO3B board.  It is in the right position.

If it is documented, where?

John KH7T
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan  8 10:12:47 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Transmit
In-Reply-To: <CADENs2_mLYCV53krpWeNKHn_Z-rH3_U-LmJPxs125XCyYemWYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADENs2_mLYCV53krpWeNKHn_Z-rH3_U-LmJPxs125XCyYemWYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568FD1EF.10706@embarqmail.com>

Aaron,

Your K2 was tested with an Elecraft MH2 microphone which needs bias 
voltage.  That Kenwood microphone is a dynamic type which should not 
have the bias voltage applied.
Remove the left side panel and lift the end of the resistor soldered to 
pin 1 of the microphone jack.

Since you have bias on that dynamic mic, it is probably distorting and 
may be the reason for your 'no replies'.

Look at the LED bargraph as you talk.  How many LEDs are illuminated on 
the peaks?  Those LEDs indicate the power output of the K2, and each one 
is about equal to 1 watt for a QRP K2, 10 watts for a K2 with the KPA100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/7/2016 6:29 PM, Aaron Scott wrote:
> I'm not sure if something is wrong or its my lack of experience. I just got
> my K2 put together and sent it to Don to do some repairs and align it. Don
> got it working good. I then got a Kenwood MC-43S microphone and hook it up
> like Don told me to. I still have not been able to make a single contact
> with it. I am using a inverted V dipole at 25 feet with a SWR of 1:1 across
> the 20 Meter Band. The receive on the radio is awesome and I try to answer
> CQ calls and get no reply, same as when I call CQ. I'm not sure what else
> to check.
>


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jan  8 12:58:15 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Win 4K3Suite now supports K1EL's WinKey for latency free
	CW
Message-ID: <CBFD65D2A98746B29C151E472ED3A692@tomsPC>

Hello,
The latest release of Win4K3Suite version 1.782 now supports K1EL?s WinKey hardware and can be used in the Win4K3Suite?s terminal mode.
The terminal mode in Win4K3 supports the built in decoding of CW, FSK-D and PSK-D of the K3, K3S and KX3.  It also provides software based text to digital and cw transmission.  To do so, comport activity is shared between radio control and the terminal functions.  In some cases there can be latency perceived by some people under contest conditions.  WinKey offers a hardware solution that uses a second serial port and thus eliminates any latency for a smooth high performance solution.
Win4K3 interfaces with just about any 3rd party hardware and software with built in serial port routing to the radio.  It provides a high performance solution that is extremely stable and contest worthy.  All your logging and digital mode programs can still be used with seamless integration.  In addition, Win4K3 has now been tested with HamPod for those with accessibility problems.
You can see it in action here:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite

There is a full featured 30 day trial as well.

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 14:15:50 2016
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 14:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 command syntax?
Message-ID: <56900AE6.1050004@comcast.net>

With the command below I had intended to switch to split, send my call, 
return to RX, and turn off split.

Macro_11=;SWH13;KYW K3RWN K3RWN;RX;SWH13;SWH13;

The only way I can get the Split to turn off is by sending two SWH13.  
Which is fine, but am I missing something as to why the first SWH13 does 
not do it.

I should note I have tried a variety of combinations and this is the 
only one that works.

Thanks

Rich
K3RWN

From WB4SON at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 14:31:52 2016
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 14:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Internal Noise Bursts every 12 seconds or so
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ9LZcgJH+kEa__LKNe_e-CtZ1udx_xz5=f8McR01YFW-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29847883.1451364419442.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<CAPonRZ8bXoj+m58hSdmccd=YOgcgSif08p26izASn9jjFBY_Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<568315FB.4030701@embarqmail.com>
	<CAPonRZ9LZcgJH+kEa__LKNe_e-CtZ1udx_xz5=f8McR01YFW-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ9hR0SD9rcZR-suca=aDu5Fd8bDS_d=K3srgPJkNoEZ6A@mail.gmail.com>

I completed my K1 assembly/alignment/testing after about 27 hours.  A
couple of those hours were spent dealing with the periodic noise burst on
RX.

I'm happy to report, that with the addition of a couple of 0.47uF caps on
the 6A and 6B power supply rails, the periodic noise burst signal level was
substantially reduced.  I can still hear it faintly on a dummy load, but on
air tests show the signal is below the atmospheric noise level on 20/30
meters.  Also, it no longer "colors" the RX signals, not even weak ones.
My final conclusion is that there was a stability issue with the 78L06
regulators due to the placement of bulk and bypass caps.

That nose was the most significant issue I had with the radio.  The other
had to do with the wrong size toroids being supplied for the Filter Board.
After adjusting the turn count for the size difference, I went ahead and
used the cores, but found that the 30 meter TX power wouldn't go above 3
watts.  Winding correct size cores fixed that problem.

Another minor nit came up once the metal covers were all installed.  That
caused a shift of about 150 Hz in the TX offset frequency.  In addition,
the built in power meter, which was surprisingly accurate with the bottom
and top cover off, is now a couple of watts off.  It reads 7 watts, when it
is actually putting out 5 watts. Both of these issues are a result of
de-tuning when the covers are on.  Pull the covers off and things are back
to where they were originally.

All in all, I'm very happy.  The RX performance is quite good, and even the
audio derived AGC is doing an acceptable job.  It was fun to put together.

Thanks for a great kit, Elecraft.

73, Bob, WB4SON

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  8 14:50:25 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 11:50:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 command syntax?
In-Reply-To: <56900AE6.1050004@comcast.net>
References: <56900AE6.1050004@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6334BCCB-3C4E-4BBB-A87A-E1C53CC91D09@elecraft.com>

Rich,

Some commands can take longer to execute that others. RX, for example, kicks off a process that may not be done by the time the first SWH13 is handled. You could probably substitute a small string of semicolons instead, with each one introducing a millisecond or two of delay.

So:

     ... RX;;;;;;;;;SWH13;

One way to provide a longer delay is to use an IF (info) command. This causes the radio to emit about 40 bytes of frequency info, etc., which takes 50-100 ms. If you have a computer attached, make sure that the applications running don't mind getting an unsolicited IF response string.

In this case you'd have:

     ... RX;FA;SWH13;

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:

> With the command below I had intended to switch to split, send my call, return to RX, and turn off split.
> 
> Macro_11=;SWH13;KYW K3RWN K3RWN;RX;SWH13;SWH13;
> 
> The only way I can get the Split to turn off is by sending two SWH13.  Which is fine, but am I missing something as to why the first SWH13 does not do it.
> 
> I should note I have tried a variety of combinations and this is the only one that works.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rich
> K3RWN
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From kh7t at arrl.net  Fri Jan  8 15:00:46 2016
From: kh7t at arrl.net (John Buck)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:00:46 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgrade with USB and p3 using cblp3y cable.
In-Reply-To: <568F167D.3060900@arrl.net>
References: <568F167D.3060900@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <5690156E.3060909@arrl.net>

Bingo!  The USB plug on the K3 was not fully clicked in place. Thanks to 
offline suggestions, I checked yet again and found that although I 
thought I heard a click when I first plugged it in, it REALLY clicked 
when I got serious about it.  P3 is now showing the K3 frequency again. 
The instructions even say to be sure the plug is fully seated.

This is proof that 50 years experience in trouble shooting does not 
prevent embarrassment.

Thank you all,
John KH7T

On 2016-01-07 3:53 PM, John Buck wrote:
> How do I get my Frequency display back while using the usb cable to 
> the computer.
> The P3 utility seems to be working.  I seem to have the latest 
> firmware and utilities.
>
snip

From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:11:35 2016
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 17:11:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and K3 Untility software - Terminal
Message-ID: <1452298295578-7612456.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello all
I was curious I was listening to a cw conversation tonight and it was flying
by. The operators were sending at 28 to 32 words a minute. Very hard for a
new CW op to copy, but my K3 screen was decoding like a champ. For kicks I
started the K3 utility software and went to the terminal screen. I set it to
CW and to my surprise it was not decoding. The K3 was still decoding fine.
Only every once in a while the software was showing a character such as the
number in the call sign. 
Does anyone know why the K3 would decode and the software would not?
Thanks
Gerald - KC6CNN




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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jan  8 19:21:47 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:21:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and K3 Untility software - Terminal
In-Reply-To: <1452298295578-7612456.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452298295578-7612456.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3E0070F2914147C49880F2375F645CFF@tomsPC>

Hi Gerald,
Be sure that you have ONE program decoding the text.  For example, if you 
use the Elecraft Utility and you have a P3 with the SVGA attached or 
software like Win4K3Suite and more than one of them are trying to display 
the decoded text it will not work.
So if you use the utility, make sure the SVGA display for decoding is off or 
Win4K3's terminal is closed.
That should take care of it.
73 Tom
va2fsq.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: KC6CNN
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:11 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and K3 Untility software - Terminal

Hello all
I was curious I was listening to a cw conversation tonight and it was flying
by. The operators were sending at 28 to 32 words a minute. Very hard for a
new CW op to copy, but my K3 screen was decoding like a champ. For kicks I
started the K3 utility software and went to the terminal screen. I set it to
CW and to my surprise it was not decoding. The K3 was still decoding fine.
Only every once in a while the software was showing a character such as the
number in the call sign.
Does anyone know why the K3 would decode and the software would not?
Thanks
Gerald - KC6CNN




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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  8 19:49:43 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:49:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website back up today for Verizon FiOS & DSL
	customers
In-Reply-To: <FA379818-EE08-4068-9D90-9AEEC7D18EF4@mac.com>
References: <mailman.12714.1452123822.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<FA379818-EE08-4068-9D90-9AEEC7D18EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <56905927.9030608@elecraft.com>

Wow - this has been frustrating for us (and all of our Verizon based customers!)

Verizon appears to have fixed the routing problem from their FiOS and DSL 
customers to Elecraft.com sometime last night. The fix slowly migrated through 
the net and based on customer feedback received here, most Verizon customers 
were up and able to access elecraft.com by sometime this morning.

It apparently was a problem with misconfiguration by Verizon for their traffic 
via an internet backbone router (layer42.net) upstream of the ISP that hosts 
elecraft.com.  Interestingly when accessing the Elecraft website from other ISPs 
(Comcast etc) it also routed through layer42.net's backbone and router with no 
problems. Our ISP has been in contact with layer42.net, and layer42.net 
confirmed it was a Verizon problem. Unfortunately Verizon was very slow to 
correct the problem, much to our frustration (and our ISPs and Level43.net's).


New Server:
While the Verizon FiOS saga was transpiring this week, we also began 
implementing a backup copy of the elecraft.com webpage on a totally different 
server farm both hosted by a different company and geographically located 
outside of our immediate area. We copied all of the website and ftp files over 
to this new server and had it ready to go this morning. It actually turns out to 
be faster for web access, and also for ftp file downloads of new f/w via our 
utility programs. As a result, we decided to switch over to the new server for 
elecraft.com at about 2000 Z today. Its been up and operating since then. Its 
new iP address may take up to 24 or more to propagate through the internet's 
network of DNS servers, routers and your browser programs.


Eric
/elecraft.com/



From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:55:23 2016
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 18:55:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and K3 Untility software - Terminal
In-Reply-To: <3E0070F2914147C49880F2375F645CFF@tomsPC>
References: <1452298295578-7612456.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3E0070F2914147C49880F2375F645CFF@tomsPC>
Message-ID: <14DF4CF9-68D5-4AB8-B844-00548693765C@gmail.com>

Yes
That fixed it.  I tried Win4K3 and utility once P3 off they both worked better, much better. 
Thanks
Gerald. 

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> work.
> So if you use the utility, make sure the SVGA display for decoding is off or Win4K3's terminal is closed.
> That should take care of

From esteptony at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 20:09:07 2016
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 19:09:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website back up today for Verizon FiOS &
	DSL customers
In-Reply-To: <56905927.9030608@elecraft.com>
References: <mailman.12714.1452123822.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<FA379818-EE08-4068-9D90-9AEEC7D18EF4@mac.com>
	<56905927.9030608@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmM+Mz2iHcKQ3YfU6MWfcTRB68U-9W7QnyhMTiX9HhzZrQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
eric at elecraft.com> wrote:

> .....Verizon was very slow to correct the problem...

==========
Once something happened to a local Verizon node here. I was able to connect
to the internet, but for days I couldn't get such sites as NBC News,
Microsoft, and Yahoo. Verizon's explanation: "Those sites are probably
down."

Tony KT0NY

From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  8 20:14:32 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 17:14:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website back up today for Verizon FiOS &
	DSL customers
In-Reply-To: <56905927.9030608@elecraft.com>
References: <mailman.12714.1452123822.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<FA379818-EE08-4068-9D90-9AEEC7D18EF4@mac.com>
	<56905927.9030608@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <56905EF8.9070103@elecraft.com>

I hit send too soon.. :-)

Continuing regarding our new server location for the Elecraft web page; both it 
and the prior server are both active with the same data, so you will still see 
the same elecraft.com web pages displayed even if you are still pointing to the 
old iP address for Elecraft.com.

For those of you who can 'ping' elecraft.com, the old server address starts with 
63.249.. and the new server address starts with 50.31..

For Windows users, from the command window you can both ping elecraft.com and 
flush your local DNA cache to forcibly load the new iP mapping for the new 
elecraft.com server. To flush the cache, type "ipconfig /flushdns" <enter>  
(without the quotes) and then "ping elecraft.com" <enter> to see if the address 
changes to the new one. This may take more than one try to be successful, 
depending on you DNS configuration. Also, it may be necessary to close your 
browser and then restart it to load flush the browser's local web page cache. 
Its also possible your ISP uses multiple DNS servers that may update at 
different times..

You can tell if you are seeing the web page from the new server by scrolling 
down to the bottom of the elecraft.com home page and looking for the "Last 
Edited" date section, located on the right just above the web page links 
bordered by bars. If you see "Last Edited:  **NEW SERVER**: .... , you know you 
are on the new elecraft server. If you don't see this, don't worry, the new 
address will automatically propagate to your local DNS servers over the next day 
or so, and you will still be able to access elecraft.com on the old server in 
the meantime.

One nice impact of this is that we now have a way to immediately switch to the 
backup copy on a totally different server for elecraft.com should there be a 
major problem with the main server. We'll keep both servers active for this reason.

Please let me know via -direct- email if you still can not access elecraft.com 
at all, or if there are any problems with the new elecraft.com web page once 
your DNS updates and you can get to it.

Whew! Have a great weekend everyone.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/
===

On 1/8/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> Wow - this has been frustrating for us (and all of our Verizon based customers!)
>
> Verizon appears to have fixed the routing problem from their FiOS and DSL 
> customers to Elecraft.com sometime last night. The fix slowly migrated through 
> the net and based on customer feedback received here, most Verizon customers 
> were up and able to access elecraft.com by sometime this morning.
>
> It apparently was a problem with misconfiguration by Verizon for their traffic 
> via an internet backbone router (layer42.net) upstream of the ISP that hosts 
> elecraft.com.  Interestingly when accessing the Elecraft website from other 
> ISPs (Comcast etc) it also routed through layer42.net's backbone and router 
> with no problems. Our ISP has been in contact with layer42.net, and 
> layer42.net confirmed it was a Verizon problem. Unfortunately Verizon was very 
> slow to correct the problem, much to our frustration (and our ISPs and 
> Level43.net's).
>
>
> New Server:
> While the Verizon FiOS saga was transpiring this week, we also began 
> implementing a backup copy of the elecraft.com webpage on a totally different 
> server farm both hosted by a different company and geographically located 
> outside of our immediate area. We copied all of the website and ftp files over 
> to this new server and had it ready to go this morning. It actually turns out 
> to be faster for web access, and also for ftp file downloads of new f/w via 
> our utility programs. As a result, we decided to switch over to the new server 
> for elecraft.com at about 2000 Z today. Its been up and operating since then. 
> Its new iP address may take up to 24 or more to propagate through the 
> internet's network of DNS servers, routers and your browser programs.
>
>
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
>
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  8 23:59:47 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 beta firmware rev. 2.38: 15 Watts max output on
	80-20 m, and PSK63 mode
Message-ID: <106FC469-9E46-4B88-AF38-51D169B8B11C@elecraft.com>

KX3 beta firmware rev. 2.38 is now available on our KX3 software page:

    http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm

See instructions on this page for loading beta releases.

This release includes two new features:

The new 15-watt level applies only to 80-20 meters, and is still considered somewhat experimental. Several dozen field testers have been using it with excellent results, but we can't guarantee that every KX3 will actually put out a full 15 W. Supply voltage is one limiting factor. We strongly recommend the use of 13.8-14 V whenever possible. This is especially important when you're driving an external amplifier and using one of the linear modes (SSB, AM, PSK-D, or audio data modes).

PSK63 is twice as fast as PSK31. Rather than copy it on the KX3's VFO B display, you may want to use the Terminal function of KX3 Utility, or use a PX3 with text decode turned on. This data mode is especially popular in Europe.

Rev. 2.38 also corrects a problem with some KX3-4M (70 MHz) modules that had lower than normal power output.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


* * *

MCU 2.38 / DSP 1.37, 01-03-2016

? POWER OUT NOW 15 WATTS MAX, 80-20 M: On 80-20 meters, the PWR control can now be set as high as 15 W (max is still 12 W on other bands). Supply voltage must be over 12.8 V on key-down as indicated by the KX3?s voltage display (tap DISP, rotate VFO B). Note: The KX3 will automatically reduce power as required if current, SWR, or temperature is excessive, or if supply voltage is too low. If a band other than 80-20 m is selected, power output will be cut back to 12 W max. It must then be manually set above 12 W after switching to 80-20 m.

? PSK63 MODE ADDED: Tap DATA, rotate VFO B until PSK D is displayed, then use VFO A to select 31 or 63 baud. The default is PSK31.  

? 4-METER POWER OUTPUT IMPROVED: Changed IF band-pass filter configuration to increase drive level on 4 meters. This should improve 4-meter power output in cases where it was marginal due to filter rolloff.



From neilz at techie.com  Sat Jan  9 00:35:07 2016
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 00:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website back up today for Verizon FiOS &
 DSL customers
In-Reply-To: <56905EF8.9070103@elecraft.com>
References: <mailman.12714.1452123822.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<FA379818-EE08-4068-9D90-9AEEC7D18EF4@mac.com>
	<56905927.9030608@elecraft.com> <56905EF8.9070103@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <56909C0B.1060508@techie.com>

Well, as of 12:33 am here in PA, the new IP address was the one the 
local DNS computer replied with.

And I have to say, it does load fast!

Now, if you'd like to update the look of the site, and add a good 
shopping cart, we should talk :)

Neil Z.
KN3ILZ



On 1/8/2016 8:14 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> I hit send too soon.. :-)
>
> Continuing regarding our new server location for the Elecraft web 
> page; both it and the prior server are both active with the same data, 
> so you will still see the same elecraft.com web pages displayed even 
> if you are still pointing to the old iP address for Elecraft.com.
>
> For those of you who can 'ping' elecraft.com, the old server address 
> starts with 63.249.. and the new server address starts with 50.31..
>
> For Windows users, from the command window you can both ping 
> elecraft.com and flush your local DNA cache to forcibly load the new 
> iP mapping for the new elecraft.com server. To flush the cache, type 
> "ipconfig /flushdns" <enter>  (without the quotes) and then "ping 
> elecraft.com" <enter> to see if the address changes to the new one. 
> This may take more than one try to be successful, depending on you DNS 
> configuration. Also, it may be necessary to close your browser and 
> then restart it to load flush the browser's local web page cache. Its 
> also possible your ISP uses multiple DNS servers that may update at 
> different times..
>
> You can tell if you are seeing the web page from the new server by 
> scrolling down to the bottom of the elecraft.com home page and looking 
> for the "Last Edited" date section, located on the right just above 
> the web page links bordered by bars. If you see "Last Edited:  **NEW 
> SERVER**: .... , you know you are on the new elecraft server. If you 
> don't see this, don't worry, the new address will automatically 
> propagate to your local DNS servers over the next day or so, and you 
> will still be able to access elecraft.com on the old server in the 
> meantime.
>
> One nice impact of this is that we now have a way to immediately 
> switch to the backup copy on a totally different server for 
> elecraft.com should there be a major problem with the main server. 
> We'll keep both servers active for this reason.
>
> Please let me know via -direct- email if you still can not access 
> elecraft.com at all, or if there are any problems with the new 
> elecraft.com web page once your DNS updates and you can get to it.
>
> Whew! Have a great weekend everyone.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> ===
>
> On 1/8/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> Wow - this has been frustrating for us (and all of our Verizon based 
>> customers!)
>>
>> Verizon appears to have fixed the routing problem from their FiOS and 
>> DSL customers to Elecraft.com sometime last night. The fix slowly 
>> migrated through the net and based on customer feedback received 
>> here, most Verizon customers were up and able to access elecraft.com 
>> by sometime this morning.
>>
>> It apparently was a problem with misconfiguration by Verizon for 
>> their traffic via an internet backbone router (layer42.net) upstream 
>> of the ISP that hosts elecraft.com.  Interestingly when accessing the 
>> Elecraft website from other ISPs (Comcast etc) it also routed through 
>> layer42.net's backbone and router with no problems. Our ISP has been 
>> in contact with layer42.net, and layer42.net confirmed it was a 
>> Verizon problem. Unfortunately Verizon was very slow to correct the 
>> problem, much to our frustration (and our ISPs and Level43.net's).
>>
>>
>> New Server:
>> While the Verizon FiOS saga was transpiring this week, we also began 
>> implementing a backup copy of the elecraft.com webpage on a totally 
>> different server farm both hosted by a different company and 
>> geographically located outside of our immediate area. We copied all 
>> of the website and ftp files over to this new server and had it ready 
>> to go this morning. It actually turns out to be faster for web 
>> access, and also for ftp file downloads of new f/w via our utility 
>> programs. As a result, we decided to switch over to the new server 
>> for elecraft.com at about 2000 Z today. Its been up and operating 
>> since then. Its new iP address may take up to 24 or more to propagate 
>> through the internet's network of DNS servers, routers and your 
>> browser programs.
>>
>>
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
>>
>>
>
>


From willis.mj at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 07:09:00 2016
From: willis.mj at gmail.com (AD6XY)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 05:09:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 for the K3
Message-ID: <1452341340290-7612464.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi All

Is there any prospect of the KRC2 being updated to fully support the K3?
Ideally a new device with outputs covering all the HF bands, including the
new ones and the 6 transverter bands? I need this for a remote setup.

My old KRC2 has finally failed and no longer responds, but it never really
interfaced well with the K3 as it only supported K2 capabilities.

Mike



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From ve3iay at storm.ca  Sat Jan  9 07:41:36 2016
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:41:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KY Command
Message-ID: <56910000.8060305@storm.ca>

On January 7, NR4C posted a function key message file for N1MM+ that 
used KY commands to send FSK RTTY without requiring any FSK keying 
interface connected to the K3/K3S AUX port. While the basic idea (<04> 
used to terminate transmissions) is good, unfortunately there is an 
error in this file.

Almost every message line in the file was terminated with a K30; 
command. These K30; commands should all be removed from the file. N1MM+ 
expects the K3/K3S to be in K31 mode, and switching it to K30 mode will 
cause some N1MM+ program features to stop working correctly.

73,
Rich VE3KI

From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net  Sat Jan  9 07:50:33 2016
From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net (DGB)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:50:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Command for RX Ant
In-Reply-To: <56910000.8060305@storm.ca>
References: <56910000.8060305@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <56910219.1090308@Bayland.net>

Is there a command for the RX ANT on the K3 ?

73 Dwight NS9I


From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Sat Jan  9 08:08:16 2016
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:08:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Command for RX Ant
In-Reply-To: <56910219.1090308@Bayland.net>
References: <56910000.8060305@storm.ca> <56910219.1090308@Bayland.net>
Message-ID: <56910640.6080107@comcast.net>

Yes SWT25;

Rich

On 1/9/2016 7:50 AM, DGB wrote:
> Is there a command for the RX ANT on the K3 ?
>
> 73 Dwight NS9I
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jan  9 10:30:38 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:30:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KY Command
In-Reply-To: <56910000.8060305@storm.ca>
References: <56910000.8060305@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <49C76823-B8C5-4A7C-B06C-8ECD0905B903@elecraft.com>

Also note that a new field-test version of K3/K3S firmware is presently in test (rev. 5.46) that corrects a long-standing problem with the "RX;" command. This command is often used at the end of "KY<text>;" packets, or just for general use in returning the radio to receive mode. "RX;" now correctly terminates transmit in all cases, even when used in combination with PTT.

Anyone who uses N1MM (old or new versions) and would like to try the new firmware should contact me directly. 

73,
Wayne, N6KR

(Who is aware that such requests often result in unintentional reflector postings, and yet asks for the group to be tolerant of this :)



On Jan 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca> wrote:

> On January 7, NR4C posted a function key message file for N1MM+ that used KY commands to send FSK RTTY without requiring any FSK keying interface connected to the K3/K3S AUX port. While the basic idea (<04> used to terminate transmissions) is good, unfortunately there is an error in this file.
> 
> Almost every message line in the file was terminated with a K30; command. These K30; commands should all be removed from the file. N1MM+ expects the K3/K3S to be in K31 mode, and switching it to K30 mode will cause some N1MM+ program features to stop working correctly.
> 
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI




From bemeier at bellsouth.net  Sat Jan  9 11:09:45 2016
From: bemeier at bellsouth.net (Bruce Meier)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:09:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related ?)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13112.1452302125.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.13112.1452302125.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>

Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w.  The
max, according to the front panel meter reading, is 93w.  So, I ran the
transmitter gain calibration and it did not help. I decreased the power to
90w and it reached 90w, so I gradually increased the power and it is fine up
to 93w.  When set to 94w and above the max output is 93w.  I checked all
other bands and with the exception of 17 meters they are fine. The same low
power output occurs on 17 meters.

I then tried my other K3 going through the exact same testing order and
received the exact same results. They are both the exact same configuration.

Specifics:

- testing into both a dummy load (2 different ones) and 3 different 15 meter
antennas
- both K3 rigs are running latest firmware (5.38 / 2.86 / 2.86 / 1.25)
- The power supply voltage at the rigs is 13.8 and drops to around 13.0 when
in transmit
- Reran the Transmitter Gain Calib - no help.

NOTE: The new KSYN3As were just installed in both rigs including the second
RX (2 weeks ago)

Suggestions?

73,
Bruce-N1LN



From kenk3iu at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 11:27:17 2016
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:27:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related
 ?)
In-Reply-To: <001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>
References: <mailman.13112.1452302125.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>
Message-ID: <569134E5.3080006@cox.net>

I have the same thing here, Bruce. Something in firmware was 
changed a while ago and when I reported it to Wayne, he said 
that it is within specs.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 1/9/2016 11:09 AM, Bruce Meier wrote:
> Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w.  The
> max, according to the front panel meter reading, is 93w.  So, I ran the
> transmitter gain calibration and it did not help. I decreased the power to
> 90w and it reached 90w, so I gradually increased the power and it is fine up
> to 93w.  When set to 94w and above the max output is 93w.  I checked all
> other bands and with the exception of 17 meters they are fine. The same low
> power output occurs on 17 meters.
>
> I then tried my other K3 going through the exact same testing order and
> received the exact same results. They are both the exact same configuration.
>
> Specifics:
>
> - testing into both a dummy load (2 different ones) and 3 different 15 meter
> antennas
> - both K3 rigs are running latest firmware (5.38 / 2.86 / 2.86 / 1.25)
> - The power supply voltage at the rigs is 13.8 and drops to around 13.0 when
> in transmit
> - Reran the Transmitter Gain Calib - no help.
>
> NOTE: The new KSYN3As were just installed in both rigs including the second
> RX (2 weeks ago)
>
> Suggestions?
>
> 73,
> Bruce-N1LN
>
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jan  9 11:49:57 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:49:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related
	?)
In-Reply-To: <001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>
References: <mailman.13112.1452302125.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>
Message-ID: <2EB518E6-E000-4C6C-9FA4-D70B2BF33879@elecraft.com>

This has nothing to do with the new synth. We're hoping to have another firmware release dealing with it soon. I've been working on other issues.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



On Jan 9, 2016, at 8:09 AM, "Bruce Meier" <bemeier at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w?.



From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 13:28:00 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:28:00 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related
	?)
In-Reply-To: <001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>
References: <mailman.13112.1452302125.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>
Message-ID: <B5F37E45-E3B4-414C-8509-60E0136D8546@gmail.com>

I noted a similar issue and found that increasing the power supply voltage a bit returned full output. I think I have about 14.2v at the rig in receive mode. This was before I updated the synths so I don't think it's related to that.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On 9 Jan 2016, at 6:09 PM, Bruce Meier <bemeier at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w.  The
> max, according to the front panel meter reading, is 93w.  So, I ran the
> transmitter gain calibration and it did not help. I decreased the power to
> 90w and it reached 90w, so I gradually increased the power and it is fine up
> to 93w.  When set to 94w and above the max output is 93w.  I checked all
> other bands and with the exception of 17 meters they are fine. The same low
> power output occurs on 17 meters.
> 
> I then tried my other K3 going through the exact same testing order and
> received the exact same results. They are both the exact same configuration.
> 
> Specifics:
> 
> - testing into both a dummy load (2 different ones) and 3 different 15 meter
> antennas
> - both K3 rigs are running latest firmware (5.38 / 2.86 / 2.86 / 1.25)
> - The power supply voltage at the rigs is 13.8 and drops to around 13.0 when
> in transmit
> - Reran the Transmitter Gain Calib - no help.
> 
> NOTE: The new KSYN3As were just installed in both rigs including the second
> RX (2 weeks ago)
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> 73,
> Bruce-N1LN
> 
> 
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From f6dex at yahoo.fr  Sat Jan  9 14:10:10 2016
From: f6dex at yahoo.fr (Laurent F6DEX)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:10:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 for the K3
In-Reply-To: <1452341340290-7612464.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452341340290-7612464.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1452366610908-7612473.post@n2.nabble.com>

Mike

If your KRC2 failed, try to reload the firmware. Sometime, mine fails and
this is only the firmware to reload. I use with a K3 with no specific
problems.

73 Laurent F6DEX



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From kf7gc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 14:42:34 2016
From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:42:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Memory
References: <1597262448.2122265.1452368554261.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1597262448.2122265.1452368554261.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

When using the cw messages in 0-9 memory will itwipe out the frequency memories 0-9 that you use recall tochoose??
73! Tomy KF7GC


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jan  9 17:05:13 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:05:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related
 ?)
In-Reply-To: <569134E5.3080006@cox.net>
References: <mailman.13112.1452302125.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net> <569134E5.3080006@cox.net>
Message-ID: <56918419.6010200@blomand.net>

I suppose "spec" would be about 1 dB or so.   If so, then somewhere 
between 80 and 125 watts would be about right for a nominal 100 watt 
radio.  I, however, didn't see and published spec for transmitter power 
in my K3S manual.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/9/2016 10:27 AM, Ken K3IU wrote:
> I have the same thing here, Bruce. Something in firmware was changed a 
> while ago and when I reported it to Wayne, he said that it is within specs



From drpro at comcast.net  Sat Jan  9 17:19:25 2016
From: drpro at comcast.net (drpro)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:19:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPACBL for sale
Message-ID: <000001d14b2b$ccf48970$66dd9c50$@net>

I have accidently purchased another KXPACBL.  It is brand new still in the
shipping box as I received it from Elecraft.  $39 and I will cover the
shipping.

Tnx

David


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  9 17:44:24 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Memory
In-Reply-To: <1597262448.2122265.1452368554261.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1597262448.2122265.1452368554261.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1597262448.2122265.1452368554261.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56918D48.4070206@embarqmail.com>

Tomy,

No, the CW memories and the frequency memories are recorded at different 
addresses.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/9/2016 2:42 PM, Tomy Ivan via Elecraft wrote:
> When using the cw messages in 0-9 memory will itwipe out the frequency memories 0-9 that you use recall tochoose?
>


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan  9 19:10:39 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 00:10:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
Message-ID: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>

Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?

At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.

It certainly sounds most appealing.

73 from David GM4JJJ

From ebasilier at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 19:40:58 2016
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
Message-ID: <01a701d14b3f$928975c0$b79c6140$@cox.net>

I haven't turned on the KRX3 second receiver in my K3 for over a year, so it
is time to sell it and its roofing filters. 

The KRX3 also has its own general coverage receive option, which is also for
sale. 

I am keeping the K3 itself, but may change some roofing filters.

 

I used the KRX3 with the 2.8 SSB filter rather than the standard 2.7, but I
realize that you may prefer the 2.7 approach, so I am offering the KRX3
without any roofing filter at $490. If you want my 2.8 filter, I ask $90 for
that. The KBPF3 General Receive option (which can be used in the KRX3 or in
a K3 main receiver) is $70.

 

Additional filters from the KRX3 are available: 

6.0          $90

1.8          $90

500         $60

200         $60

 

My K3 main RX currently has the same filters as the 2nd receiver, but for my
new single-RX configuration I am considering a change in CW filter widths.
As you know, in a dual-receiver K3, it is desirable to use closely matched
pairs for the 5-pole CW filters, as my 0.2 and 0.5 filters are. If you buy
my KRX3 with the 0.2 and/or 0.5 filters, I am willing to sell you the 0.2
matched pair and/or the 0.5 matched pair, at $120 per pair. In case you have
roofing filters for sale, the ones I am interested in are the 250 and the
custom 700 (or perhaps the 1.0).  

 

Neither the General Receive option, nor any of the roofing filters, will be
sold until the KRX3 itself has been sold.

 

73,

Erik K7TV


From nc3z at outlook.com  Sat Jan  9 19:49:34 2016
From: nc3z at outlook.com (NC3Z Gary)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 00:49:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

He had also published an article in QEX in 2014 about CESSB and said 
that Flex is implementing it, and if improves the talk power by almost 
3dB. I would love to see it in the KX3.


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15


On 09-Jan-16 19:10, David Anderson wrote:
> Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?
>
> At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.
>
> It certainly sounds most appealing.
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ

From algaviri at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 19:52:40 2016
From: algaviri at gmail.com (alvaro gaviria)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:52:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/100 for Sale
Message-ID: <CAGJH8OQCQbVx019Ha8h==TqHi5e41qWLgHsKHHxtjOMuhh8mcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mint condition, K3/100 watts serial 8915 for sale, with the new syntetizer

Info  algaviri at gmail.com

73

From ebasilier at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 20:10:42 2016
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:10:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
In-Reply-To: <41hp1s00K45oxQM011hqHX>
References: <41hp1s00K45oxQM011hqHX>
Message-ID: <01bc01d14b43$ba011460$2e033d20$@cox.net>

Please understand: The buyer of the KRX3 will have the first to be able to
buy any or all of the other pieces. Once that deal is closed, any left-over
pieces will be available to others.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Erik
Basilier
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:41 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters

I haven't turned on the KRX3 second receiver in my K3 for over a year, so it
is time to sell it and its roofing filters. 

The KRX3 also has its own general coverage receive option, which is also for
sale. 

I am keeping the K3 itself, but may change some roofing filters.

 

I used the KRX3 with the 2.8 SSB filter rather than the standard 2.7, but I
realize that you may prefer the 2.7 approach, so I am offering the KRX3
without any roofing filter at $490. If you want my 2.8 filter, I ask $90 for
that. The KBPF3 General Receive option (which can be used in the KRX3 or in
a K3 main receiver) is $70.

 

Additional filters from the KRX3 are available: 

6.0          $90

1.8          $90

500         $60

200         $60

 

My K3 main RX currently has the same filters as the 2nd receiver, but for my
new single-RX configuration I am considering a change in CW filter widths.
As you know, in a dual-receiver K3, it is desirable to use closely matched
pairs for the 5-pole CW filters, as my 0.2 and 0.5 filters are. If you buy
my KRX3 with the 0.2 and/or 0.5 filters, I am willing to sell you the 0.2
matched pair and/or the 0.5 matched pair, at $120 per pair. In case you have
roofing filters for sale, the ones I am interested in are the 250 and the
custom 700 (or perhaps the 1.0).  

 

Neither the General Receive option, nor any of the roofing filters, will be
sold until the KRX3 itself has been sold.

 

73,

Erik K7TV

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From rthorne at rthorne.net  Sat Jan  9 21:15:11 2016
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:15:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3A For Sale - $95 Shipped
Message-ID: <5691BEAF.6030802@rthorne.net>

I just upgraded one of my rigs from a KXV3A to a KXV3B.

This KXV3A will accept the internal 2 meter option, K144XV.

Includes the KXV3A, rear panel plate, TMP cable assembly and mounting 
screws.  The manual is available on line.

$95 shipped priority mail to USA.

Rich - N5ZC

From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 10 00:46:32 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2072532936.2175632.1452404792192.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

If there are any [Keysight Technologies] SystemVue users out there I had implemented W9GR's CESSB algorithm after his first excellent article, and I'd be happy to share the workspace with you.

Dave also made his MATLAB files available for download from the ARRL site after his initial article, for any MATLAB folks.


Al  W6LX




----- Original Message -----
From: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 4:10 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB

Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?

At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.

It certainly sounds most appealing.

73 from David GM4JJJ
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From om2xw at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 01:54:05 2016
From: om2xw at hotmail.com (Jan Babinec)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 06:54:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale/look for CW filter
In-Reply-To: <DUB125-W69C167463BF92115499C3FF0F40@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB125-W69C167463BF92115499C3FF0F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DUB125-W11BB8DDF507DBE34F45AF2F0C80@phx.gbl>

I have 2pcs 1000Hz filters for sale. $80 each plus shipping or best offer. Shipping worldwide,money via PayPal. Looking for 200Hz 5pole CW filter for the 2nd RX with offset as close aspossible to -0.9 (main RX filter has this offset).Please contact me off list.
73  Jan OM2XW 		 	   		   		 	   		  

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jan 10 07:20:09 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:20:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>

Yes Gary, I saw that QEX article and the new one in QEX this month that discusses the possibility of external CESSB processing for existing SSB rigs, and how different types of SSB modulators preserve the CESSB signal or not. He explains there may be benefits to using ECSSB externally even with a rig that do not preserve the ECSSB completely. 

Although there are not commercial external ECSSB processors available, in the QEX article there is a link to ECSSB audio test files which can be used to evaluate with a scope looking at the RF envelope whether or not a rig is "ECSSB ready". It will be interesting to test this with my KX3 into a load. 

The new QEX article:

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2016/January_February_2016/Hershberger_QEX_1_16.pdf

Perhaps we are going off topic, but no doubt we will hear more about ECSSB in the years to come, and hopefully with their DSP expertise Elecraft will be participating.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 10 Jan 2016, at 00:49, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> He had also published an article in QEX in 2014 about CESSB and said 
> that Flex is implementing it, and if improves the talk power by almost 
> 3dB. I would love to see it in the KX3.
> 
> 
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> 
> 
>> On 09-Jan-16 19:10, David Anderson wrote:
>> Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?
>> 
>> At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.
>> 
>> It certainly sounds most appealing.
>> 

From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 10 07:42:22 2016
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the center point
Message-ID: <SNT152-W61E1DCEA2D2E65365579D9FAC80@phx.gbl>

Not sure if it was the loading of the new KX3 firmware, or if I changed some settings, but now on my PX3 panadapter, I see everything symmetrically mirrored around the center. So for example, If there is a signal at Center frequency -50kHz, it appears at +50kHz too. As I move the VFO, the signals eventually converge and pass through the middle on their way to the ends of the display.Anyone have any idea how to fix this, or what I did to get in this mess?thank you -Kevin (KK4YEL) 		 	   		  

From nc3z at outlook.com  Sun Jan 10 07:53:01 2016
From: nc3z at outlook.com (NC3Z Gary)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:53:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks for the link, my ARRL magazines take more time to get to me now 
that I am out in the boon-docks. The new QEX article is a good read, and 
with flex incorporating CESSB we can hope that maybe Elecraft can 
incorporated it into at least the KX3.


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15


On 10-Jan-16 07:20, David Anderson wrote:
> Yes Gary, I saw that QEX article and the new one in QEX this month that discusses the possibility of external CESSB processing for existing SSB rigs, and how different types of SSB modulators preserve the CESSB signal or not. He explains there may be benefits to using ECSSB externally even with a rig that do not preserve the ECSSB completely.
>
> Although there are not commercial external ECSSB processors available, in the QEX article there is a link to ECSSB audio test files which can be used to evaluate with a scope looking at the RF envelope whether or not a rig is "ECSSB ready". It will be interesting to test this with my KX3 into a load.
>
> The new QEX article:
>
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2016/January_February_2016/Hershberger_QEX_1_16.pdf
>
> Perhaps we are going off topic, but no doubt we will hear more about ECSSB in the years to come, and hopefully with their DSP expertise Elecraft will be participating.
>

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 10 07:54:40 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:54:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the center
	point
In-Reply-To: <SNT152-W61E1DCEA2D2E65365579D9FAC80@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT152-W61E1DCEA2D2E65365579D9FAC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56925490.4090102@embarqmail.com>

Kevin,

That is what happens if only one of the I/Q channels is connected. Make 
certain your I/Q cable is fully inserted - check both ends.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/10/2016 7:42 AM, kevino z wrote:
> Not sure if it was the loading of the new KX3 firmware, or if I changed some settings, but now on my PX3 panadapter, I see everything symmetrically mirrored around the center. So for example, If there is a signal at Center frequency -50kHz, it appears at +50kHz too.


From k1tl at cox.net  Sun Jan 10 09:43:39 2016
From: k1tl at cox.net (Tom Lizak)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:43:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
Message-ID: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>

When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and price
for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's product dept.

 

73

Tom/K1TL...


From n1nk at cox.net  Sun Jan 10 09:45:50 2016
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:45:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  P3 SVGA Video Adapter/FFT Processor add in kit
Message-ID: <013b01d14bb5$99c6ee50$cd54caf0$@net>

I have reorganized my shack and no longer have room for additional displays.


 

I will ship the adapter  by Priority Mail within USA for $215.  

 

Jim/N1NK


From ian.greenshields at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 10:17:40 2016
From: ian.greenshields at gmail.com (Ian Greenshields)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:17:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Seems to have Failed on TX
Message-ID: <CA+092ec7rRCcJrwnAOWgyLzkf_mpXh58QAF0GM=aLMLdSNs=tQ@mail.gmail.com>

My K3/100 seems to have died on TX.

It's worked fine for many years, but now on TX with any mode and band,
there is no output power.

The rig switches to TX, but the display shows 0W, and there of no RF from
the antenna socket. Changing the power control briefly shows the set power,
but then the display return to 0W and '--' where the SWR is normally shown.

This occurs both above and below the 12W power threshold (where the 100W PA
switches in).

The receiver and UI/firmware all seem to work fine.

I've checked the obvious sillies like TX test not on and TX inhibit not set.

I've also reinstalled the latest firmware and reverted to a known good
configuration file, but the problem still persists.

It feels like there may be failure some where in the driver stages, but
does anyone have any ideas for what the issue might be and hopefully some
pointers to track it down and fix?

It's an early unit, S/N 180, if that helps.

TIA and 73,
Ian G4FSU

From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net  Sun Jan 10 10:25:41 2016
From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net (DGB)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:25:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
Message-ID: <569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net>

The ones from TenTec work wonderful and looks great!

73 Dwight NS9I

On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and price
> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's product dept.
>
>   
>
> 73
>
> Tom/K1TL...
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 10 10:34:51 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:34:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Seems to have Failed on TX
In-Reply-To: <CA+092ec7rRCcJrwnAOWgyLzkf_mpXh58QAF0GM=aLMLdSNs=tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+092ec7rRCcJrwnAOWgyLzkf_mpXh58QAF0GM=aLMLdSNs=tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56927A1B.6050608@embarqmail.com>

Ian,

Simplify everything and do a test.
Eliminate the antenna system by connecting to a dummy load.  An in-line 
wattmeter between the K3 and the dummy load may prove to be 
informative.  Make sure the jumper cables used are good.

As an extra step, remove all cables from the K3 except for a hand key - 
don't have a hand key, then plug the paddles into the key jack and use 
the dot side of the paddles.  Do you get output in CW mode (make sure 
VOX is turned on).

If you have no transmit under those conditions, contact K3support.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/10/2016 10:17 AM, Ian Greenshields wrote:
> My K3/100 seems to have died on TX.
>
> It's worked fine for many years, but now on TX with any mode and band,
> there is no output power.
>
> The rig switches to TX, but the display shows 0W, and there of no RF from
> the antenna socket. Changing the power control briefly shows the set power,
> but then the display return to 0W and '--' where the SWR is normally shown.
>
> This occurs both above and below the 12W power threshold (where the 100W PA
> switches in).
>
> The receiver and UI/firmware all seem to work fine.
>
> I've checked the obvious sillies like TX test not on and TX inhibit not set.
>
> I've also reinstalled the latest firmware and reverted to a known good
> configuration file, but the problem still persists.
>
> It feels like there may be failure some where in the driver stages, but
> does anyone have any ideas for what the issue might be and hopefully some
> pointers to track it down and fix?
>
> It's an early unit, S/N 180, if that helps.
>
> TIA and 73,
> Ian G4FSU
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 10 10:37:08 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:37:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
Message-ID: <56927AA4.6040006@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

The new knob and ring is coming soon.  I would give it a week.
There was a 'glitch' in getting it listed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and price
> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's product dept.
>
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jan 10 10:45:02 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:45:02 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
	<569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net>
Message-ID: <56927C7E.5070706@blomand.net>

Plus the rubber rings are available in various colors.

Unfortunately with the changes in the organization as Paul the Service 
Manager retired, things are running a bit slow in that department.  Also 
it seems a  previous owner sold almost everything including the paper 
rolls in the toilet.  Well that's another story.

The new owner has a different outlook on business and the future of the 
company. http://www.tentec.com/

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163



On 1/10/2016 9:25 AM, DGB wrote:
> The ones from TenTec work wonderful and looks great!
>
> 73 Dwight NS9I
>
> On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
>> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and 
>> price
>> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's 
>> product dept.
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Tom/K1TL...
>>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jan 10 11:04:34 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:04:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>

This was presented at Dayton this year.  If memory serves me correctly, it
was installed in SmartSDR 1.2 back in March of 2015.

http://www.flex-radio.nl/flex-6000-serie/the-flex-insider/

It is very interesting just how big the impact of overshooting has on
killing your RF output.

This is one of those ... less is more .. situations.

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link, my ARRL magazines take more time to get to me now
> that I am out in the boon-docks. The new QEX article is a good read, and
> with flex incorporating CESSB we can hope that maybe Elecraft can
> incorporated it into at least the KX3.
>
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
>
>
> On 10-Jan-16 07:20, David Anderson wrote:
> > Yes Gary, I saw that QEX article and the new one in QEX this month that
> discusses the possibility of external CESSB processing for existing SSB
> rigs, and how different types of SSB modulators preserve the CESSB signal
> or not. He explains there may be benefits to using ECSSB externally even
> with a rig that do not preserve the ECSSB completely.
> >
> > Although there are not commercial external ECSSB processors available,
> in the QEX article there is a link to ECSSB audio test files which can be
> used to evaluate with a scope looking at the RF envelope whether or not a
> rig is "ECSSB ready". It will be interesting to test this with my KX3 into
> a load.
> >
> > The new QEX article:
> >
> >
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2016/January_February_2016/Hershberger_QEX_1_16.pdf
> >
> > Perhaps we are going off topic, but no doubt we will hear more about
> ECSSB in the years to come, and hopefully with their DSP expertise Elecraft
> will be participating.
> >
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From john.turgoose at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 11:08:42 2016
From: john.turgoose at gmail.com (VE3NFK)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:08:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - calibration SWR 99.9-1 is too high for calibration
Message-ID: <1452442122637-7612498.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello

Just finished updating firmware; using latest utility pgm; radio works fine
 - 'tune' into dummy load gives 1.1-1.

 Calibration from utility instantly fails at 1.900 99.9-1 SWR.  

Can't think of anything to try - commercial dummy load directly connected.

Thanks  72  John VE3NFK



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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 11:13:14 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:13:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <56927C7E.5070706@blomand.net>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
	<569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net> <56927C7E.5070706@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMz3MaykLTNAX0WfMCsN5k4fjEi8JCc+NpRmNh7pMhB_w@mail.gmail.com>

Also see article on QRZ.com about new owner and his policies.

73!

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 10, 2016 08:46, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> Plus the rubber rings are available in various colors.
>
> Unfortunately with the changes in the organization as Paul the Service
> Manager retired, things are running a bit slow in that department.  Also it
> seems a  previous owner sold almost everything including the paper rolls in
> the toilet.  Well that's another story.
>
> The new owner has a different outlook on business and the future of the
> company. http://www.tentec.com/
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10163
>
>
>
> On 1/10/2016 9:25 AM, DGB wrote:
>
>> The ones from TenTec work wonderful and looks great!
>>
>> 73 Dwight NS9I
>>
>> On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
>>
>>> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and
>>> price
>>> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's product
>>> dept.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Tom/K1TL...
>>>
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From jww at dslextreme.com  Sun Jan 10 11:13:35 2016
From: jww at dslextreme.com (John W Webster)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:13:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <18B775C5-6081-4690-952F-38E1403BC06C@dslextreme.com>

Please join us for the weekly Elecraft SSB net, today (Sunday, 10 January 2016)
at 18:00z (UTC) on 14.303.5 Mhz in the 20m band.  Eric, WB9JNZ in IL will be the
net control station, with relay help from others.

From lew at n6lew.us  Sun Jan 10 11:39:56 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:39:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III
Message-ID: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>

Does anyone have experience with the Bandmaster III station control unit offered by Array Solutions? I?m interested how it stacks up against the Elecraft KCR2. Looking to mate one or the other to my K3.

thanks,

Lew


Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us

Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.






From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jan 10 11:44:43 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:44:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>

Mike,

I don't know why but I kept using ECSSB when I meant CESSB obviously, sorry for any confusion!

Although the Elecraft power levelling is excellent, and I have not ever had bad reports of audio quality or splatter with my KX3 with the processor on or off, it certainly would be nice to be able to increase the talk power further as CESSB promises.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 10 Jan 2016, at 16:04, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> This was presented at Dayton this year.  If memory serves me correctly, it
> was installed in SmartSDR 1.2 back in March of 2015.
> 
> http://www.flex-radio.nl/flex-6000-serie/the-flex-insider/
> 
> It is very interesting just how big the impact of overshooting has on
> killing your RF output.
> 
> This is one of those ... less is more .. situations.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the link, my ARRL magazines take more time to get to me now
>> that I am out in the boon-docks. The new QEX article is a good read, and
>> with flex incorporating CESSB we can hope that maybe Elecraft can
>> incorporated it into at least the KX3.
>> 
>> 
>> Gary Mitchelson
>> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15

From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 12:00:26 2016
From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez CX6VM)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:00:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III
In-Reply-To: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>
References: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>
Message-ID: <6125604F-1E81-4C46-B497-5BC5299945DC@gmail.com>

I have two bandmaster with sixpack and two K3 and all work perfect with automatic bands switching

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 10 ene. 2016, a las 11:39, Lewis Phelps <lew at n6lew.us> escribi?:
> 
> Does anyone have experience with the Bandmaster III station control unit offered by Array Solutions? I?m interested how it stacks up against the Elecraft KCR2. Looking to mate one or the other to my K3.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Lew
> 
> 
> Lew Phelps N6LEW
> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
> Yaesu FT-7800 
> Lew at N6LEW.US
> www.n6lew.us
> 
> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gordisht at me.com  Sun Jan 10 12:36:56 2016
From: gordisht at me.com (Timothy Gordish)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and Winmor
Message-ID: <C8E3A485-C637-459E-A2FB-CB9BD8CB1BEB@me.com>

I am trying to use Winmor for Winlink2000 on my KX-3 and having difficulty.  I am unable to connect to stations although it transmits and receives but gives the error "Timeout in T>R latency measure"

I set the interface to the 38400 bps and am using Windows 10.  Anyone know a fix for this?

Sent from my iPod

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 12:41:47 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:41:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
	<569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net>
Message-ID: <569297DB.1070101@socal.rr.com>

Ten-Tec?  I wonder if you can order from them, 
just now?

Phil W7OX

On 1/10/16 7:25 AM, DGB wrote:
> The ones from TenTec work wonderful and looks 
> great!
>
> 73 Dwight NS9I
>
> On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
>> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be 
>> available for purchase?...and price
>> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it 
>> listed in the K3S's product dept.
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Tom/K1TL...


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jan 10 12:47:52 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:47:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <569297DB.1070101@socal.rr.com>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
	<569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net> <569297DB.1070101@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <56929948.1040300@blomand.net>

There is a "sales at tentec.com" address and a "service at tentec.com" 
address.  I presume those are there for those reasons.

I spent all my spare money on my new K3S  thus I have no need 
{translation: money} to order anything at present.


73
Bob K4TAX
K3S s/n 10169



On 1/10/2016 11:41 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Ten-Tec? I wonder if you can order from them, just now?
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/10/16 7:25 AM, DGB wrote:
>> The ones from TenTec work wonderful and looks great!
>>
>> 73 Dwight NS9I
>>
>> On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
>>> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and 
>>> price
>>> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's 
>>> product dept.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Tom/K1TL...
>
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From ed at w0yk.com  Sun Jan 10 13:13:22 2016
From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:13:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III
In-Reply-To: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>
References: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>
Message-ID: <2A03C1A9DE5E493E9F2FB5DED37F6F81@h81420t>

I use KRC2s, SixPak and FL-1/W3NQN BP filters at home.  In Aruba, we have
the BandMaster III, SixPak and FilterMax BP filters.  Both systems work
great.  I like them equally well.  The cabling is simpler between the
BandMaster and FilterMax, which is convenient.

Ed W0YK

________________________________________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lewis
Phelps
Sent: 10 January, 2016 08:40
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III

Does anyone have experience with the Bandmaster III station control unit
offered by Array Solutions? I'm interested how it stacks up against the
Elecraft KCR2. Looking to mate one or the other to my K3.

thanks,

Lew


Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us

Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put
together will fall apart.





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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:31:42 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:31:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - calibration SWR 99.9-1 is too high for
 calibration
In-Reply-To: <1452442122637-7612498.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452442122637-7612498.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5692A38E.9010807@embarqmail.com>

John,

Try to run the TX Gain Calibration manually.  See the KX3 manual page 33.
That will tell you whether it fails on only some bands, but not others.  
The Utility program quits after the 1st error.
If the manual calibration succeeds, then you might want to try the 
Utility process again, but it is not necessary.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/10/2016 11:08 AM, VE3NFK wrote:
> Hello
>
> Just finished updating firmware; using latest utility pgm; radio works fine
>   - 'tune' into dummy load gives 1.1-1.
>
>   Calibration from utility instantly fails at 1.900 99.9-1 SWR.
>
> Can't think of anything to try - commercial dummy load directly connected.
>
>


From rick at tavan.com  Sun Jan 10 13:33:27 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:33:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III
In-Reply-To: <2A03C1A9DE5E493E9F2FB5DED37F6F81@h81420t>
References: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>
	<2A03C1A9DE5E493E9F2FB5DED37F6F81@h81420t>
Message-ID: <CANVONAKqBrCY+FExLKR6CCnprho5UubczYpSQXMz0OsJTMyXTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Another nice solution, especially for more complex stations, is the new
Band Aide band decoder from Top Ten Devices. The optional K3 ACC cable
provides clean integration or you can build your own. You can do "wire
ORing" internally to let multiple bands select the same multi-band
antenna. The box provides front panel LEDs for 160-6 band selection
including 60 and WARC. It has a rotary switch that offers manual selection
of an antenna other than the one normally selected for a band and five
optional positions that leave the default selection active but also
activate a separate output line that can drive an external relay to select
among alternate antennas on a band. It's simple to use in basic stations
and flexible to use in more complex situations. I have two in my SO2R
station and like them very much.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Ed Muns <ed at w0yk.com> wrote:

> I use KRC2s, SixPak and FL-1/W3NQN BP filters at home.  In Aruba, we have
> the BandMaster III, SixPak and FilterMax BP filters.  Both systems work
> great.  I like them equally well.  The cabling is simpler between the
> BandMaster and FilterMax, which is convenient.
>
> Ed W0YK
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Lewis
> Phelps
> Sent: 10 January, 2016 08:40
> To: Elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Bandmaster III station control unit
> offered by Array Solutions? I'm interested how it stacks up against the
> Elecraft KCR2. Looking to mate one or the other to my K3.
>
> thanks,
>
> Lew
>
>
> Lew Phelps N6LEW
> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
> Yaesu FT-7800
> Lew at N6LEW.US
> www.n6lew.us
>
> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put
> together will fall apart.
>
>
>
>
>
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-- 

Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:35:13 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - calibration SWR 99.9-1 is too high for
 calibration
In-Reply-To: <1452442122637-7612498.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452442122637-7612498.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5692A461.2010304@embarqmail.com>

John,

Another thing - you could have a bad coax between the KX3 and the dummy 
load - overlook nothing, especially simple things like that which are 
often forgotten.  Make no assumptions about the 'goodness' of cables and 
any adapters.  Substitute a known good cable, or disconnect it from the 
KX3 and measure that end with an antenna analyzer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/10/2016 11:08 AM, VE3NFK wrote:
> Hello
>
> Just finished updating firmware; using latest utility pgm; radio works fine
>   - 'tune' into dummy load gives 1.1-1.
>
>   Calibration from utility instantly fails at 1.900 99.9-1 SWR.
>
>


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jan 10 13:36:06 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:36:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5QR+HfRNYsp56C6YK_o+YN+8cWPn2cvJ1uGu+1RTesMw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David

I doubt you ever will.  If I remember correctly, what the CESSB does is
correctly clamp the gain while ensuring you continue to get full power.

The micro second you go over 100%, the radio starts to clamp RF out and in
fact reduces it considerably.  You would only be able to tell by watching
your RF envelope in a scope.

This is all off the top of my head, but that is what I remember.  I'll have
to read the paper on it again.

There are likely others that know more about it than I do.

Mike


On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:44 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I don't know why but I kept using ECSSB when I meant CESSB obviously,
> sorry for any confusion!
>
> Although the Elecraft power levelling is excellent, and I have not ever
> had bad reports of audio quality or splatter with my KX3 with the processor
> on or off, it certainly would be nice to be able to increase the talk power
> further as CESSB promises.
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>
> > On 10 Jan 2016, at 16:04, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> >
> > This was presented at Dayton this year.  If memory serves me correctly,
> it
> > was installed in SmartSDR 1.2 back in March of 2015.
> >
> > http://www.flex-radio.nl/flex-6000-serie/the-flex-insider/
> >
> > It is very interesting just how big the impact of overshooting has on
> > killing your RF output.
> >
> > This is one of those ... less is more .. situations.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the link, my ARRL magazines take more time to get to me now
> >> that I am out in the boon-docks. The new QEX article is a good read, and
> >> with flex incorporating CESSB we can hope that maybe Elecraft can
> >> incorporated it into at least the KX3.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary Mitchelson
> >> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
>

From lists at subich.com  Sun Jan 10 13:58:50 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III
In-Reply-To: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>
References: <96FC5E61-D4E1-421E-9EEF-8E1469DE1B52@n6lew.us>
Message-ID: <5692A9EA.2020507@subich.com>


Another alternative is Station Master from microHAM.  It uses
CAT/RS-232 interface and provides completely flexible configuration
for both bandpass filters *and* antenna switching plus support for
automatic amplifiers (Icom or Yaesu interface), support for SteppIR
controller and/or support for antenna rotator.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/10/2016 11:39 AM, Lewis Phelps wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with the Bandmaster III station control unit offered by Array Solutions? I?m interested how it stacks up against the Elecraft KCR2. Looking to mate one or the other to my K3.
>
> thanks,
>
> Lew
>
>
> Lew Phelps N6LEW
> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
> Yaesu FT-7800
> Lew at N6LEW.US
> www.n6lew.us
>
> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.
>

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 15:51:24 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:51:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <56929948.1040300@blomand.net>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
	<569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net> <569297DB.1070101@socal.rr.com>
	<56929948.1040300@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <5692C44C.1010900@socal.rr.com>

Well, Bob, maybe someone will give it a try and 
let us know what happens :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/10/16 9:47 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> There is a "sales at tentec.com" address and a 
> "service at tentec.com" address.  I presume those 
> are there for those reasons.
>
> I spent all my spare money on my new K3S  thus I 
> have no need {translation: money} to order 
> anything at present.
>
>
> 73
> Bob K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10169
>
>
>
> On 1/10/2016 11:41 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Ten-Tec? I wonder if you can order from them, 
>> just now?
>>
>> Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 1/10/16 7:25 AM, DGB wrote:
>>> The ones from TenTec work wonderful and looks 
>>> great!
>>>
>>> 73 Dwight NS9I
>>>
>>> On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
>>>> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be 
>>>> available for purchase?...and price
>>>> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it 
>>>> listed in the K3S's product dept.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> Tom/K1TL...


From tchrme at aol.com  Sun Jan 10 16:02:48 2016
From: tchrme at aol.com (Mike Lichtman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:02:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 141, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13316.1452437157.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.13316.1452437157.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <FA11F475-6E16-4A18-BAC5-F0BF8FE1BE6B@aol.com>



Sent from my iPhone

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> 
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. KX3 beta firmware rev. 2.38: 15 Watts max output on    80-20 m,
>      and PSK63 mode (Wayne Burdick)
>   2. Re: Elecraft Website back up today for Verizon FiOS & DSL
>      customers (Neil Zampella)
>   3. KRC2 for the K3 (AD6XY)
>   4. Re: KY Command (Richard Ferch)
>   5. Command for RX Ant (DGB)
>   6. Re: Command for RX Ant (Rich)
>   7. Re: KY Command (Wayne Burdick)
>   8. (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related ?)
>      (Bruce Meier)
>   9. Re: (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related ?)
>      (Ken K3IU)
>  10. Re: (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related    ?)
>      (Wayne Burdick)
>  11. Re: (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related    ?)
>      (Vic Rosenthal)
>  12. Re: KRC2 for the K3 (Laurent F6DEX)
>  13. K2 Memory (Tomy Ivan)
>  14. Re: (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN related ?)
>      (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  15. KXPACBL for sale (drpro)
>  16. Re: K2 Memory (Don Wilhelm)
>  17. Controlled Envelope SSB (David Anderson)
>  18. For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters (Erik Basilier)
>  19. Re: Controlled Envelope SSB (NC3Z Gary)
>  20. Elecraft K3/100 for Sale (alvaro gaviria)
>  21. Re: For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters (Erik Basilier)
>  22. KXV3A For Sale - $95 Shipped (Richard Thorne)
>  23. Re: Controlled Envelope SSB (Al Lorona)
>  24. For sale/look for CW filter (Jan Babinec)
>  25. Re: Controlled Envelope SSB (David Anderson)
>  26. [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the center point (kevino z)
>  27. Re: Controlled Envelope SSB (NC3Z Gary)
>  28. Re: [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the center    point
>      (Don Wilhelm)
>  29. K3S VFO-A Dial Knob (Tom Lizak)
>  30. FS:  P3 SVGA Video Adapter/FFT Processor add in kit (Jim Spears)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:59:47 -0800
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" <KX3 at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 beta firmware rev. 2.38: 15 Watts max output
>    on    80-20 m, and PSK63 mode
> Message-ID: <106FC469-9E46-4B88-AF38-51D169B8B11C at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> KX3 beta firmware rev. 2.38 is now available on our KX3 software page:
> 
>    http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm
> 
> See instructions on this page for loading beta releases.
> 
> This release includes two new features:
> 
> The new 15-watt level applies only to 80-20 meters, and is still considered somewhat experimental. Several dozen field testers have been using it with excellent results, but we can't guarantee that every KX3 will actually put out a full 15 W. Supply voltage is one limiting factor. We strongly recommend the use of 13.8-14 V whenever possible. This is especially important when you're driving an external amplifier and using one of the linear modes (SSB, AM, PSK-D, or audio data modes).
> 
> PSK63 is twice as fast as PSK31. Rather than copy it on the KX3's VFO B display, you may want to use the Terminal function of KX3 Utility, or use a PX3 with text decode turned on. This data mode is especially popular in Europe.
> 
> Rev. 2.38 also corrects a problem with some KX3-4M (70 MHz) modules that had lower than normal power output.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> * * *
> 
> MCU 2.38 / DSP 1.37, 01-03-2016
> 
> ? POWER OUT NOW 15 WATTS MAX, 80-20 M: On 80-20 meters, the PWR control can now be set as high as 15 W (max is still 12 W on other bands). Supply voltage must be over 12.8 V on key-down as indicated by the KX3?s voltage display (tap DISP, rotate VFO B). Note: The KX3 will automatically reduce power as required if current, SWR, or temperature is excessive, or if supply voltage is too low. If a band other than 80-20 m is selected, power output will be cut back to 12 W max. It must then be manually set above 12 W after switching to 80-20 m.
> 
> ? PSK63 MODE ADDED: Tap DATA, rotate VFO B until PSK D is displayed, then use VFO A to select 31 or 63 baud. The default is PSK31.  
> 
> ? 4-METER POWER OUTPUT IMPROVED: Changed IF band-pass filter configuration to increase drive level on 4 meters. This should improve 4-meter power output in cases where it was marginal due to filter rolloff.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 00:35:07 -0500
> From: Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website back up today for Verizon
>    FiOS & DSL customers
> Message-ID: <56909C0B.1060508 at techie.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Well, as of 12:33 am here in PA, the new IP address was the one the 
> local DNS computer replied with.
> 
> And I have to say, it does load fast!
> 
> Now, if you'd like to update the look of the site, and add a good 
> shopping cart, we should talk :)
> 
> Neil Z.
> KN3ILZ
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/8/2016 8:14 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> I hit send too soon.. :-)
>> 
>> Continuing regarding our new server location for the Elecraft web 
>> page; both it and the prior server are both active with the same data, 
>> so you will still see the same elecraft.com web pages displayed even 
>> if you are still pointing to the old iP address for Elecraft.com.
>> 
>> For those of you who can 'ping' elecraft.com, the old server address 
>> starts with 63.249.. and the new server address starts with 50.31..
>> 
>> For Windows users, from the command window you can both ping 
>> elecraft.com and flush your local DNA cache to forcibly load the new 
>> iP mapping for the new elecraft.com server. To flush the cache, type 
>> "ipconfig /flushdns" <enter>  (without the quotes) and then "ping 
>> elecraft.com" <enter> to see if the address changes to the new one. 
>> This may take more than one try to be successful, depending on you DNS 
>> configuration. Also, it may be necessary to close your browser and 
>> then restart it to load flush the browser's local web page cache. Its 
>> also possible your ISP uses multiple DNS servers that may update at 
>> different times..
>> 
>> You can tell if you are seeing the web page from the new server by 
>> scrolling down to the bottom of the elecraft.com home page and looking 
>> for the "Last Edited" date section, located on the right just above 
>> the web page links bordered by bars. If you see "Last Edited:  **NEW 
>> SERVER**: .... , you know you are on the new elecraft server. If you 
>> don't see this, don't worry, the new address will automatically 
>> propagate to your local DNS servers over the next day or so, and you 
>> will still be able to access elecraft.com on the old server in the 
>> meantime.
>> 
>> One nice impact of this is that we now have a way to immediately 
>> switch to the backup copy on a totally different server for 
>> elecraft.com should there be a major problem with the main server. 
>> We'll keep both servers active for this reason.
>> 
>> Please let me know via -direct- email if you still can not access 
>> elecraft.com at all, or if there are any problems with the new 
>> elecraft.com web page once your DNS updates and you can get to it.
>> 
>> Whew! Have a great weekend everyone.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
>> ===
>> 
>>> On 1/8/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>>> Wow - this has been frustrating for us (and all of our Verizon based 
>>> customers!)
>>> 
>>> Verizon appears to have fixed the routing problem from their FiOS and 
>>> DSL customers to Elecraft.com sometime last night. The fix slowly 
>>> migrated through the net and based on customer feedback received 
>>> here, most Verizon customers were up and able to access elecraft.com 
>>> by sometime this morning.
>>> 
>>> It apparently was a problem with misconfiguration by Verizon for 
>>> their traffic via an internet backbone router (layer42.net) upstream 
>>> of the ISP that hosts elecraft.com.  Interestingly when accessing the 
>>> Elecraft website from other ISPs (Comcast etc) it also routed through 
>>> layer42.net's backbone and router with no problems. Our ISP has been 
>>> in contact with layer42.net, and layer42.net confirmed it was a 
>>> Verizon problem. Unfortunately Verizon was very slow to correct the 
>>> problem, much to our frustration (and our ISPs and Level43.net's).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> New Server:
>>> While the Verizon FiOS saga was transpiring this week, we also began 
>>> implementing a backup copy of the elecraft.com webpage on a totally 
>>> different server farm both hosted by a different company and 
>>> geographically located outside of our immediate area. We copied all 
>>> of the website and ftp files over to this new server and had it ready 
>>> to go this morning. It actually turns out to be faster for web 
>>> access, and also for ftp file downloads of new f/w via our utility 
>>> programs. As a result, we decided to switch over to the new server 
>>> for elecraft.com at about 2000 Z today. Its been up and operating 
>>> since then. Its new iP address may take up to 24 or more to propagate 
>>> through the internet's network of DNS servers, routers and your 
>>> browser programs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> /elecraft.com/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 05:09:00 -0700 (MST)
> From: AD6XY <willis.mj at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 for the K3
> Message-ID: <1452341340290-7612464.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Is there any prospect of the KRC2 being updated to fully support the K3?
> Ideally a new device with outputs covering all the HF bands, including the
> new ones and the 6 transverter bands? I need this for a remote setup.
> 
> My old KRC2 has finally failed and no longer responds, but it never really
> interfaced well with the K3 as it only supported K2 capabilities.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KRC2-for-the-K3-tp7612464.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:41:36 -0500
> From: Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,    Nr4c
>    <nr4c at widomaker.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KY Command
> Message-ID: <56910000.8060305 at storm.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> On January 7, NR4C posted a function key message file for N1MM+ that 
> used KY commands to send FSK RTTY without requiring any FSK keying 
> interface connected to the K3/K3S AUX port. While the basic idea (<04> 
> used to terminate transmissions) is good, unfortunately there is an 
> error in this file.
> 
> Almost every message line in the file was terminated with a K30; 
> command. These K30; commands should all be removed from the file. N1MM+ 
> expects the K3/K3S to be in K31 mode, and switching it to K30 mode will 
> cause some N1MM+ program features to stop working correctly.
> 
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:50:33 -0500
> From: DGB <ns9i2016 at Bayland.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Command for RX Ant
> Message-ID: <56910219.1090308 at Bayland.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Is there a command for the RX ANT on the K3 ?
> 
> 73 Dwight NS9I
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:08:16 -0500
> From: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Command for RX Ant
> Message-ID: <56910640.6080107 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Yes SWT25;
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On 1/9/2016 7:50 AM, DGB wrote:
>> Is there a command for the RX ANT on the K3 ?
>> 
>> 73 Dwight NS9I
>> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:30:38 -0800
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,    Nr4c
>    <nr4c at widomaker.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KY Command
> Message-ID: <49C76823-B8C5-4A7C-B06C-8ECD0905B903 at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Also note that a new field-test version of K3/K3S firmware is presently in test (rev. 5.46) that corrects a long-standing problem with the "RX;" command. This command is often used at the end of "KY<text>;" packets, or just for general use in returning the radio to receive mode. "RX;" now correctly terminates transmit in all cases, even when used in combination with PTT.
> 
> Anyone who uses N1MM (old or new versions) and would like to try the new firmware should contact me directly. 
> 
> 73,
> Wayne, N6KR
> 
> (Who is aware that such requests often result in unintentional reflector postings, and yet asks for the group to be tolerant of this :)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> On January 7, NR4C posted a function key message file for N1MM+ that used KY commands to send FSK RTTY without requiring any FSK keying interface connected to the K3/K3S AUX port. While the basic idea (<04> used to terminate transmissions) is good, unfortunately there is an error in this file.
>> 
>> Almost every message line in the file was terminated with a K30; command. These K30; commands should all be removed from the file. N1MM+ expects the K3/K3S to be in K31 mode, and switching it to K30 mode will cause some N1MM+ program features to stop working correctly.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rich VE3KI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:09:45 -0500
> From: "Bruce Meier" <bemeier at bellsouth.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN
>    related ?)
> Message-ID: <001201d14af8$28694ef0$793becd0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w.  The
> max, according to the front panel meter reading, is 93w.  So, I ran the
> transmitter gain calibration and it did not help. I decreased the power to
> 90w and it reached 90w, so I gradually increased the power and it is fine up
> to 93w.  When set to 94w and above the max output is 93w.  I checked all
> other bands and with the exception of 17 meters they are fine. The same low
> power output occurs on 17 meters.
> 
> I then tried my other K3 going through the exact same testing order and
> received the exact same results. They are both the exact same configuration.
> 
> Specifics:
> 
> - testing into both a dummy load (2 different ones) and 3 different 15 meter
> antennas
> - both K3 rigs are running latest firmware (5.38 / 2.86 / 2.86 / 1.25)
> - The power supply voltage at the rigs is 13.8 and drops to around 13.0 when
> in transmit
> - Reran the Transmitter Gain Calib - no help.
> 
> NOTE: The new KSYN3As were just installed in both rigs including the second
> RX (2 weeks ago)
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> 73,
> Bruce-N1LN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:27:17 -0500
> From: Ken K3IU <kenk3iu at cox.net>
> To: Bruce Meier <bemeier at bellsouth.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN
>    related ?)
> Message-ID: <569134E5.3080006 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> I have the same thing here, Bruce. Something in firmware was 
> changed a while ago and when I reported it to Wayne, he said 
> that it is within specs.
> 73, Ken K3IU
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> On 1/9/2016 11:09 AM, Bruce Meier wrote:
>> Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w.  The
>> max, according to the front panel meter reading, is 93w.  So, I ran the
>> transmitter gain calibration and it did not help. I decreased the power to
>> 90w and it reached 90w, so I gradually increased the power and it is fine up
>> to 93w.  When set to 94w and above the max output is 93w.  I checked all
>> other bands and with the exception of 17 meters they are fine. The same low
>> power output occurs on 17 meters.
>> 
>> I then tried my other K3 going through the exact same testing order and
>> received the exact same results. They are both the exact same configuration.
>> 
>> Specifics:
>> 
>> - testing into both a dummy load (2 different ones) and 3 different 15 meter
>> antennas
>> - both K3 rigs are running latest firmware (5.38 / 2.86 / 2.86 / 1.25)
>> - The power supply voltage at the rigs is 13.8 and drops to around 13.0 when
>> in transmit
>> - Reran the Transmitter Gain Calib - no help.
>> 
>> NOTE: The new KSYN3As were just installed in both rigs including the second
>> RX (2 weeks ago)
>> 
>> Suggestions?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Bruce-N1LN
>> 
>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:49:57 -0800
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: "Bruce Meier" <bemeier at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN
>    related    ?)
> Message-ID: <2EB518E6-E000-4C6C-9FA4-D70B2BF33879 at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> This has nothing to do with the new synth. We're hoping to have another firmware release dealing with it soon. I've been working on other issues.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 8:09 AM, "Bruce Meier" <bemeier at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w?.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:28:00 +0200
> From: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: Bruce Meier <bemeier at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN
>    related    ?)
> Message-ID: <B5F37E45-E3B4-414C-8509-60E0136D8546 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> I noted a similar issue and found that increasing the power supply voltage a bit returned full output. I think I have about 14.2v at the rig in receive mode. This was before I updated the synths so I don't think it's related to that.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
> 
>> On 9 Jan 2016, at 6:09 PM, Bruce Meier <bemeier at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Today I noticed that the output power on 15 meters does not reach 100w.  The
>> max, according to the front panel meter reading, is 93w.  So, I ran the
>> transmitter gain calibration and it did not help. I decreased the power to
>> 90w and it reached 90w, so I gradually increased the power and it is fine up
>> to 93w.  When set to 94w and above the max output is 93w.  I checked all
>> other bands and with the exception of 17 meters they are fine. The same low
>> power output occurs on 17 meters.
>> 
>> I then tried my other K3 going through the exact same testing order and
>> received the exact same results. They are both the exact same configuration.
>> 
>> Specifics:
>> 
>> - testing into both a dummy load (2 different ones) and 3 different 15 meter
>> antennas
>> - both K3 rigs are running latest firmware (5.38 / 2.86 / 2.86 / 1.25)
>> - The power supply voltage at the rigs is 13.8 and drops to around 13.0 when
>> in transmit
>> - Reran the Transmitter Gain Calib - no help.
>> 
>> NOTE: The new KSYN3As were just installed in both rigs including the second
>> RX (2 weeks ago)
>> 
>> Suggestions?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Bruce-N1LN
>> 
>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:10:10 -0700 (MST)
> From: Laurent F6DEX <f6dex at yahoo.fr>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRC2 for the K3
> Message-ID: <1452366610908-7612473.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Mike
> 
> If your KRC2 failed, try to reload the firmware. Sometime, mine fails and
> this is only the firmware to reload. I use with a K3 with no specific
> problems.
> 
> 73 Laurent F6DEX
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Laurent F6DEX
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KRC2-for-the-K3-tp7612464p7612473.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:42:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Tomy Ivan <kf7gc at yahoo.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Memory
> Message-ID:
>    <1597262448.2122265.1452368554261.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> When using the cw messages in 0-9 memory will itwipe out the frequency memories 0-9 that you use recall tochoose??
> 73! Tomy KF7GC
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:05:13 -0600
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K3) Low output power on 15 meters (new KYSN
>    related ?)
> Message-ID: <56918419.6010200 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> I suppose "spec" would be about 1 dB or so.   If so, then somewhere 
> between 80 and 125 watts would be about right for a nominal 100 watt 
> radio.  I, however, didn't see and published spec for transmitter power 
> in my K3S manual.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
>> On 1/9/2016 10:27 AM, Ken K3IU wrote:
>> I have the same thing here, Bruce. Something in firmware was changed a 
>> while ago and when I reported it to Wayne, he said that it is within specs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:19:25 -0600
> From: "drpro" <drpro at comcast.net>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KXPACBL for sale
> Message-ID: <000001d14b2b$ccf48970$66dd9c50$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have accidently purchased another KXPACBL.  It is brand new still in the
> shipping box as I received it from Elecraft.  $39 and I will cover the
> shipping.
> 
> Tnx
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:44:24 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: Tomy Ivan <kf7gc at yahoo.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Memory
> Message-ID: <56918D48.4070206 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Tomy,
> 
> No, the CW memories and the frequency memories are recorded at different 
> addresses.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/9/2016 2:42 PM, Tomy Ivan via Elecraft wrote:
>> When using the cw messages in 0-9 memory will itwipe out the frequency memories 0-9 that you use recall tochoose?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 00:10:39 +0000
> From: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
> Message-ID: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?
> 
> At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.
> 
> It certainly sounds most appealing.
> 
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:40:58 -0700
> From: "Erik Basilier" <ebasilier at cox.net>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
> Message-ID: <01a701d14b3f$928975c0$b79c6140$@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> I haven't turned on the KRX3 second receiver in my K3 for over a year, so it
> is time to sell it and its roofing filters. 
> 
> The KRX3 also has its own general coverage receive option, which is also for
> sale. 
> 
> I am keeping the K3 itself, but may change some roofing filters.
> 
> 
> 
> I used the KRX3 with the 2.8 SSB filter rather than the standard 2.7, but I
> realize that you may prefer the 2.7 approach, so I am offering the KRX3
> without any roofing filter at $490. If you want my 2.8 filter, I ask $90 for
> that. The KBPF3 General Receive option (which can be used in the KRX3 or in
> a K3 main receiver) is $70.
> 
> 
> 
> Additional filters from the KRX3 are available: 
> 
> 6.0          $90
> 
> 1.8          $90
> 
> 500         $60
> 
> 200         $60
> 
> 
> 
> My K3 main RX currently has the same filters as the 2nd receiver, but for my
> new single-RX configuration I am considering a change in CW filter widths.
> As you know, in a dual-receiver K3, it is desirable to use closely matched
> pairs for the 5-pole CW filters, as my 0.2 and 0.5 filters are. If you buy
> my KRX3 with the 0.2 and/or 0.5 filters, I am willing to sell you the 0.2
> matched pair and/or the 0.5 matched pair, at $120 per pair. In case you have
> roofing filters for sale, the ones I am interested in are the 250 and the
> custom 700 (or perhaps the 1.0).  
> 
> 
> 
> Neither the General Receive option, nor any of the roofing filters, will be
> sold until the KRX3 itself has been sold.
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Erik K7TV
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 00:49:34 +0000
> From: NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
> Message-ID:
>    <BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80 at BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> He had also published an article in QEX in 2014 about CESSB and said 
> that Flex is implementing it, and if improves the talk power by almost 
> 3dB. I would love to see it in the KX3.
> 
> 
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> 
> 
>> On 09-Jan-16 19:10, David Anderson wrote:
>> Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?
>> 
>> At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.
>> 
>> It certainly sounds most appealing.
>> 
>> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:52:40 -0500
> From: alvaro gaviria <algaviri at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/100 for Sale
> Message-ID:
>    <CAGJH8OQCQbVx019Ha8h==TqHi5e41qWLgHsKHHxtjOMuhh8mcQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Mint condition, K3/100 watts serial 8915 for sale, with the new syntetizer
> 
> Info  algaviri at gmail.com
> 
> 73
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:10:42 -0700
> From: "Erik Basilier" <ebasilier at cox.net>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
> Message-ID: <01bc01d14b43$ba011460$2e033d20$@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> Please understand: The buyer of the KRX3 will have the first to be able to
> buy any or all of the other pieces. Once that deal is closed, any left-over
> pieces will be available to others.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Erik
> Basilier
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:41 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
> 
> I haven't turned on the KRX3 second receiver in my K3 for over a year, so it
> is time to sell it and its roofing filters. 
> 
> The KRX3 also has its own general coverage receive option, which is also for
> sale. 
> 
> I am keeping the K3 itself, but may change some roofing filters.
> 
> 
> 
> I used the KRX3 with the 2.8 SSB filter rather than the standard 2.7, but I
> realize that you may prefer the 2.7 approach, so I am offering the KRX3
> without any roofing filter at $490. If you want my 2.8 filter, I ask $90 for
> that. The KBPF3 General Receive option (which can be used in the KRX3 or in
> a K3 main receiver) is $70.
> 
> 
> 
> Additional filters from the KRX3 are available: 
> 
> 6.0          $90
> 
> 1.8          $90
> 
> 500         $60
> 
> 200         $60
> 
> 
> 
> My K3 main RX currently has the same filters as the 2nd receiver, but for my
> new single-RX configuration I am considering a change in CW filter widths.
> As you know, in a dual-receiver K3, it is desirable to use closely matched
> pairs for the 5-pole CW filters, as my 0.2 and 0.5 filters are. If you buy
> my KRX3 with the 0.2 and/or 0.5 filters, I am willing to sell you the 0.2
> matched pair and/or the 0.5 matched pair, at $120 per pair. In case you have
> roofing filters for sale, the ones I am interested in are the 250 and the
> custom 700 (or perhaps the 1.0).  
> 
> 
> 
> Neither the General Receive option, nor any of the roofing filters, will be
> sold until the KRX3 itself has been sold.
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Erik K7TV
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:15:11 -0600
> From: Richard Thorne <rthorne at rthorne.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3A For Sale - $95 Shipped
> Message-ID: <5691BEAF.6030802 at rthorne.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I just upgraded one of my rigs from a KXV3A to a KXV3B.
> 
> This KXV3A will accept the internal 2 meter option, K144XV.
> 
> Includes the KXV3A, rear panel plate, TMP cable assembly and mounting 
> screws.  The manual is available on line.
> 
> $95 shipped priority mail to USA.
> 
> Rich - N5ZC
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
> To: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>,    "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
> Message-ID:
>    <2072532936.2175632.1452404792192.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> If there are any [Keysight Technologies] SystemVue users out there I had implemented W9GR's CESSB algorithm after his first excellent article, and I'd be happy to share the workspace with you.
> 
> Dave also made his MATLAB files available for download from the ARRL site after his initial article, for any MATLAB folks.
> 
> 
> Al  W6LX
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 4:10 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
> 
> Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?
> 
> At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.
> 
> It certainly sounds most appealing.
> 
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
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> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 06:54:05 +0000
> From: Jan Babinec <om2xw at hotmail.com>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] For sale/look for CW filter
> Message-ID: <DUB125-W11BB8DDF507DBE34F45AF2F0C80 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"
> 
> I have 2pcs 1000Hz filters for sale. $80 each plus shipping or best offer. Shipping worldwide,money via PayPal. Looking for 200Hz 5pole CW filter for the 2nd RX with offset as close aspossible to -0.9 (main RX filter has this offset).Please contact me off list.
> 73  Jan OM2XW                                                    
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:20:09 +0000
> From: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
> Message-ID: <7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Yes Gary, I saw that QEX article and the new one in QEX this month that discusses the possibility of external CESSB processing for existing SSB rigs, and how different types of SSB modulators preserve the CESSB signal or not. He explains there may be benefits to using ECSSB externally even with a rig that do not preserve the ECSSB completely. 
> 
> Although there are not commercial external ECSSB processors available, in the QEX article there is a link to ECSSB audio test files which can be used to evaluate with a scope looking at the RF envelope whether or not a rig is "ECSSB ready". It will be interesting to test this with my KX3 into a load. 
> 
> The new QEX article:
> 
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2016/January_February_2016/Hershberger_QEX_1_16.pdf
> 
> Perhaps we are going off topic, but no doubt we will hear more about ECSSB in the years to come, and hopefully with their DSP expertise Elecraft will be participating.
> 
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2016, at 00:49, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> He had also published an article in QEX in 2014 about CESSB and said 
>> that Flex is implementing it, and if improves the talk power by almost 
>> 3dB. I would love to see it in the KX3.
>> 
>> 
>> Gary Mitchelson
>> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
>> 
>> 
>>> On 09-Jan-16 19:10, David Anderson wrote:
>>> Having just read the article by Dave W9GR in Feb 2016 edition of QST magazine, where he details Controlled Envelope SSB, I am keen to know if the existing hardware in the KX3 and/or K3 could in the future support CESSB by a firmware update?
>>> 
>>> At first I was worried that this technology may be patented or licensed only to one manufacturer, but the author writes that it will be placed in the public domain and in particular the "ham domain" royalty free, which is marvellous news.
>>> 
>>> It certainly sounds most appealing.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:42:22 -0500
> From: kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the center
>    point
> Message-ID: <SNT152-W61E1DCEA2D2E65365579D9FAC80 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Not sure if it was the loading of the new KX3 firmware, or if I changed some settings, but now on my PX3 panadapter, I see everything symmetrically mirrored around the center. So for example, If there is a signal at Center frequency -50kHz, it appears at +50kHz too. As I move the VFO, the signals eventually converge and pass through the middle on their way to the ends of the display.Anyone have any idea how to fix this, or what I did to get in this mess?thank you -Kevin (KK4YEL)                         
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 27
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:53:01 +0000
> From: NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com>
> To: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
> Message-ID:
>    <BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80 at BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Thanks for the link, my ARRL magazines take more time to get to me now 
> that I am out in the boon-docks. The new QEX article is a good read, and 
> with flex incorporating CESSB we can hope that maybe Elecraft can 
> incorporated it into at least the KX3.
> 
> 
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> 
> 
>> On 10-Jan-16 07:20, David Anderson wrote:
>> Yes Gary, I saw that QEX article and the new one in QEX this month that discusses the possibility of external CESSB processing for existing SSB rigs, and how different types of SSB modulators preserve the CESSB signal or not. He explains there may be benefits to using ECSSB externally even with a rig that do not preserve the ECSSB completely.
>> 
>> Although there are not commercial external ECSSB processors available, in the QEX article there is a link to ECSSB audio test files which can be used to evaluate with a scope looking at the RF envelope whether or not a rig is "ECSSB ready". It will be interesting to test this with my KX3 into a load.
>> 
>> The new QEX article:
>> 
>> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2016/January_February_2016/Hershberger_QEX_1_16.pdf
>> 
>> Perhaps we are going off topic, but no doubt we will hear more about ECSSB in the years to come, and hopefully with their DSP expertise Elecraft will be participating.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 28
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:54:40 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the
>    center    point
> Message-ID: <56925490.4090102 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> That is what happens if only one of the I/Q channels is connected. Make 
> certain your I/Q cable is fully inserted - check both ends.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/10/2016 7:42 AM, kevino z wrote:
>> Not sure if it was the loading of the new KX3 firmware, or if I changed some settings, but now on my PX3 panadapter, I see everything symmetrically mirrored around the center. So for example, If there is a signal at Center frequency -50kHz, it appears at +50kHz too.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 29
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:43:39 -0500
> From: "Tom Lizak" <k1tl at cox.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
> Message-ID: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and price
> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's product dept.
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Tom/K1TL...
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 30
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:45:50 -0500
> From: "Jim Spears" <n1nk at cox.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  P3 SVGA Video Adapter/FFT Processor add in
>    kit
> Message-ID: <013b01d14bb5$99c6ee50$cd54caf0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have reorganized my shack and no longer have room for additional displays.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I will ship the adapter  by Priority Mail within USA for $215.  
> 
> 
> 
> Jim/N1NK
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From NZ3O at arrl.net  Sun Jan 10 16:18:32 2016
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:18:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Receiver and ZL9A DXpedition
Message-ID: <5692CAA8.8050604@arrl.net>

I've been slowly learning some of the ins-and-outs of the K3S 
transceiver, and my appreciation for the radio continues to grow.  I 
still haven't mustered up the nerve to try DATA modes, but I'm almost there.

Those who know me know I'm an avid DXers and casual Contesters (meaning 
I have pretty lousy scores).

The recent ZL9A Dxpedition was exciting for me, as it would be an 
all-time-new-one (ATNO) if I was able to contact them.  And this was a 
real test.  The one day that I heard a hint of their signal they were 
below the noise level.  They were operating split and I couldn't hear 
anyone calling them.  It was my one chance and I really spent some time 
experimenting with different receive settings, especially the Noise 
Blanker and the Notch filtering. Finally, on 20M phone (yes, phone!) I 
was able to use the NB and 4000Hz filter setting and I could understand 
them once I shifted FC "left" about 200.  I worked them in one call.

My brain asks me sometimes "did that just happen?" and I was hoping for 
a later chance at a backup contact on another band or mode, but I never 
heard them again.  How thrilled I was today when the Clublog update 
posted 8,650 QSOs and mine was one of them! It's still thrilling to work 
a new one!  This one was thanks to the radio, for sure.

73, Byron
NZ3O
K3S #100-72


From iwesterl at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan 10 16:34:13 2016
From: iwesterl at bigpond.net.au (Ian Westerland)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:34:13 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 owners near Geelong
Message-ID: <5692CE55.3020106@bigpond.net.au>

Hello.  I am keen to make contact with a K3 owner near, or in reach of 
Geelong who might be able to provide some occasional technical help 
specifically with this wonderful transceiver.

An email to the email adress in this email will do for a start.

Thank you.

73



Ian,  VK3vin

From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 17:20:14 2016
From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:20:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <5692C44C.1010900@socal.rr.com>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
	<569277F5.5090907@Bayland.net> <569297DB.1070101@socal.rr.com>
	<56929948.1040300@blomand.net> <5692C44C.1010900@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAK6fA8nftM_ZBBh36N=Rg400HVg-VWrKuSzSAELJ--ezHdyD_A@mail.gmail.com>

This is what you want.

http://www.73cnc.com/category_s/46.htm

73, Tony K4QE

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, Bob, maybe someone will give it a try and let us know what happens
> :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/10/16 9:47 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
>> There is a "sales at tentec.com" address and a "service at tentec.com"
>> address.  I presume those are there for those reasons.
>>
>> I spent all my spare money on my new K3S  thus I have no need
>> {translation: money} to order anything at present.
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Bob K4TAX
>> K3S s/n 10169
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/10/2016 11:41 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>
>>> Ten-Tec? I wonder if you can order from them, just now?
>>>
>>> Phil W7OX
>>>
>>> On 1/10/16 7:25 AM, DGB wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ones from TenTec work wonderful and looks great!
>>>>
>>>> 73 Dwight NS9I
>>>>
>>>> On 1/10/2016 9:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and
>>>>> price
>>>>> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's product
>>>>> dept.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom/K1TL...
>>>>>
>>>>
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From jhines2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 19:09:31 2016
From: jhines2 at yahoo.com (wingman67)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:09:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] No audio
Message-ID: <1452470971093-7612519.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have recently built up a K1 to the point of the receiver alignment (page
36, 7 "Alignment and Test, Part 1").  Up until this point all of my test
points have been successful, voltages correct, etc.  When I power on the K1
I get the correct LED test pattern and then the E27/E42 error messages that
are expected.

However, when I begin going through the steps on page 36 all is well until I
get to the point on page 37 where I turn on the sidetone.  I access the stl
menu item, press-and-hold Menu and it comes up with 8 by default.  I can tap
up and down, exit the menu and go back in and the eeprom remembers my
settings.  I can turn the K1 off and back on, go back into the menus and
access the stl menu and it remembered my setting.  The only problem is I
hear nothing, either on the headphone jack or on the external speaker
connector.  Everything else on the transceiver seems to function properly
including turning on and off the attenuator, rit/xit, etc.  Just no sound of
any kind.

Just for grins I went ahead and installed the filter board to test that
portion of it and all of that worked perfectly.  The relays switch bands and
the display shows everything properly, no problems and of course with the
filter board installed the E27 goes away.  With the filter board installed,
I still hear nothing when I access the stl menu to tap up or down the
sidetone level.  I also hear absolutely no hiss.

Removing the filter board and powering back on I am back to the expected E27
and E42.  

It appears that everything else works completely as expected, considering
the point at which I am in construction.  The only issue is I have no audio
which also means I hear no sidetone when I access the stl menu.

I've spent many hours (roughly 7 as of this moment) going over both the top
and bottom of the RF board with a magnifying glass looking at each and every
connection and solder joint.  I did go ahead and re-flow several that I
thought maybe were suspect and re-soldered some others just to be safe.  I
paid special attention to the P1 connector and ensured each and every pin is
well soldered.

I then started working through the audio chain, starting from the
front-panel and working my way to the RF board.  

I verified:

1.  I hear sidetone on P1 pin 2
2.  I hear sidetone on Q11 drain (I had heard that could be a known issue,
but it wasn't)
3.  I hear sidetone on U3 pin 5
4.  I verified source and drain are not shorted on Q10
5.  I verified source and drain are not open on Q11

It seems like audio is getting to the amp stages but the K1 is completely
quiet (and I mean quiet, with absolutely none of the normal hiss you would
expect to hear).  I have absolutely nothing coming from the headphone jack
or the external speaker connector.

Any ideas on what/where else to check and see where my sound has gone?  Now
I am assuming, based on pages 36 and 37 of the manual, that I am at the
point where when I access the stl menu that turns on sidetone and that I
*should* be able to hear it.  If that is correct, the K1 is completely
silent.  Thought I'd pull back and see if anyone else has had a similar
issue or has some insight.

Thanks.

John



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From jww at dslextreme.com  Sun Jan 10 19:17:14 2016
From: jww at dslextreme.com (John W Webster)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:17:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results for 10 Jan 2016
Message-ID: <F4492132-54AE-46C3-B4B6-FD01E16973C2@dslextreme.com>

Here is a list of the stations checking in to the weekly Elecraft

SSB Net today.  [Hope the formatting is not too badly off]


Elecraft SSB Net: Sunday January 10, 2016

WB9JNZ                 Eric          IL              K3            4017      Net control

K4GCJ                      Gary       NC            K3            1597

NC0JW                    Jim          CO            KX3         1356

K7QHD                    Kurt        AZ             K2            1538

KK6DA                     David     CA            K3S          10128

N6JW                       John       CA            K3            936

K6SAB                      David     CA            K3            7497

K6GVW                     Jerry       CA            K3            8115

NS7P                        Phil         OR            K3            1826

N7BDL                     Terry      AZ             K3S          10373

N6LEW                    Lou          CA            K3            3805      QRP

K6WDE/KH6            Dave      HI             KX3         4599

VE3XM                    Bob         Ontario                    K3          409

W0CZ                       Ken         ND           K3S         10329

ZL1PWD                 Peter     New Zealand K3                     139

KC9USC                  Robert  IL              KX3         4460

W1GO                     Joe          NY            K3S          10389

K4FI                          Dave      SC             K3            6199

W8OV                      Dave      TX             K3            3139

W4LDD                     Larry      NC            K3            7664

AF5DM                    Dave      TX             KX3         6004

KL7UW                   Ed             AK            K3            6433

KA2THJ                   Norm     NJ             K2           

N0NB                       Nate       KS             K3            4762

 

 

From jhines2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 19:22:05 2016
From: jhines2 at yahoo.com (wingman67)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:22:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 no audio
Message-ID: <1452471725901-7612521.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have recently built up a K1 to the point of the receiver alignment (page
36, 7 "Alignment and Test, Part 1").  Up until this point all of my test
points have been successful, voltages correct, etc.  When I power on the K1
I get the correct LED test pattern and then the E27/E42 error messages that
are expected.

However, when I begin going through the steps on page 36 all is well until I
get to the point on page 37 where I turn on the sidetone.  I access the stl
menu item, press-and-hold Menu and it comes up with 8 by default.  I can tap
up and down, exit the menu and go back in and the eeprom remembers my
settings.  I can turn the K1 off and back on, go back into the menus and
access the stl menu and it remembered my setting.  The only problem is I
hear nothing, either on the headphone jack or on the external speaker
connector.  Everything else on the transceiver seems to function properly
including turning on and off the attenuator, rit/xit, etc.  Just no sound of
any kind.

Just for grins I went ahead and installed the filter board to test that
portion of it and all of that worked perfectly.  The relays switch bands and
the display shows everything properly, no problems and of course with the
filter board installed the E27 goes away.  With the filter board installed,
I still hear nothing when I access the stl menu to tap up or down the
sidetone level.  I also hear absolutely no hiss.

Removing the filter board and powering back on I am back to the expected E27
and E42.  

It appears that everything else works completely as expected, considering
the point at which I am in construction.  The only issue is I have no audio
which also means I hear no sidetone when I access the stl menu.

I've spent many hours (roughly 7 as of this moment) going over both the top
and bottom of the RF board with a magnifying glass looking at each and every
connection and solder joint.  I did go ahead and re-flow several that I
thought maybe were suspect and re-soldered some others just to be safe.  I
paid special attention to the P1 connector and ensured each and every pin is
well soldered.

I then started working through the audio chain, starting from the
front-panel and working my way to the RF board.  

I verified:

1.  I hear sidetone on P1 pin 2
2.  I hear sidetone on Q11 drain (I had heard that could be a known issue,
but it wasn't)
3.  I hear sidetone on U3 pin 5
4.  I verified source and drain are not shorted on Q10
5.  I verified source and drain are not open on Q11

It seems like audio is getting to the amp stages but the K1 is completely
quiet (and I mean quiet, with absolutely none of the normal hiss you would
expect to hear).  I have absolutely nothing coming from the headphone jack
or the external speaker connector.

Any ideas on what/where else to check and see where my sound has gone?  Now
I am assuming, based on pages 36 and 37 of the manual, that I am at the
point where when I access the stl menu that turns on sidetone and that I
*should* be able to hear it.  If that is correct, the K1 is completely
silent.  Thought I'd pull back and see if anyone else has had a similar
issue or has some insight.

Thanks.

John 



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From w2lj at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 19:54:13 2016
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:54:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC 160 Meter Sprint Tuessday Night
Message-ID: <4aacf5fc1b392f41b8b58c36f62aa604@192.168.1.12>

The January special 160 Meters Sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (January 12th,
EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Wednesday, January 13th, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201601_160.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

Come join us and have a real good time!


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 10 20:06:58 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 20:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No audio
In-Reply-To: <1452470971093-7612519.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452470971093-7612519.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <56930032.1080000@embarqmail.com>

John,

The E27 message is expected when the filter board is not installed, but 
the E42 message is not.  E42 indicates that there is a problem with the VFO.
That is not normal, and can be the cause of 'no audio' or weak reception.

Investigate the E42 error first (plug the filter board in to eliminate 
the E27 error).  With the E42 error present, you may may hear no sound 
from the K1 because the VFO input to the mixer is inadequate.  Solve the 
VFO problem first by making sure the VFO is oscillating properly.

You should hear something (noise) if you connect an antenna (even a long 
piece of wire) to U2 pin 1.  If so, the product detector is working.  
Next try U1 pin 5 (connect the 'antenna' through a capacitor of .001uF 
value). and see if you still an hear noise.  If so, the xtal filter is 
working.

Next go to U5 pin 1 and see if you can hear any noise response.

Let us know where the noise response 'dies out' - that is an indication 
of the problem area.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/10/2016 7:09 PM, wingman67 via Elecraft wrote:
> I have recently built up a K1 to the point of the receiver alignment (page
> 36, 7 "Alignment and Test, Part 1").  Up until this point all of my test
> points have been successful, voltages correct, etc.  When I power on the K1
> I get the correct LED test pattern and then the E27/E42 error messages that
> are expected.
>
> However, when I begin going through the steps on page 36 all is well until I
> get to the point on page 37 where I turn on the sidetone.  I access the stl
> menu item, press-and-hold Menu and it comes up with 8 by default.  I can tap
> up and down, exit the menu and go back in and the eeprom remembers my
> settings.  I can turn the K1 off and back on, go back into the menus and
> access the stl menu and it remembered my setting.  The only problem is I
> hear nothing, either on the headphone jack or on the external speaker
> connector.  Everything else on the transceiver seems to function properly
> including turning on and off the attenuator, rit/xit, etc.  Just no sound of
> any kind.
>
>


From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 20:35:50 2016
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:35:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT - For Sale] E-MU 0204
Message-ID: <E8B344F9-6D92-4BD7-A1CA-40CB16EF1F15@gmail.com>

I am selling my CreativeLabs E-MU 0204. I am satisfied with my upgrade and the 0204 is surplus to my needs. It will come with the software and a USB cable and the audio interface. There are not cables provided between the 0204 and your transceiver. I was very satisfied with the decodes I got on JT65 and JT9 with this sound card with around -26 to -27 decodes.

Do not bother purchasing if you?re using OS X 10.11. It won?t work. I?m asking $75 plus shipping or best offer.

Please reply direct.

Thank you for the bandwidth.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sun Jan 10 21:58:31 2016
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:58:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and Winmor
In-Reply-To: <C8E3A485-C637-459E-A2FB-CB9BD8CB1BEB@me.com>
References: <C8E3A485-C637-459E-A2FB-CB9BD8CB1BEB@me.com>
Message-ID: <3F13065A-700A-4E3C-9010-8EB8F115FA33@coastside.net>



> On Jan 10, 2016, at 09:36, Timothy Gordish <gordisht at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I am trying to use Winmor for Winlink2000 on my KX-3 and having difficulty.  I am unable to connect to stations although it transmits and receives but gives the error "Timeout in T>R latency measure"
> 
> I set the interface to the 38400 bps and am using Windows 10.  Anyone know a fix for this?
> 
> Sent from my iPod
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sun Jan 10 22:06:13 2016
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:06:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and Winmor
In-Reply-To: <C8E3A485-C637-459E-A2FB-CB9BD8CB1BEB@me.com>
References: <C8E3A485-C637-459E-A2FB-CB9BD8CB1BEB@me.com>
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Sorry, I fat fingered the first reply.  ?

I'm using Winmor on my K3 - I don't have a KX3, however I think I encountered your problem. Winmor must switch from TX to RX quickly so you cannot use VOX as you can for other digital modes. Instead use CONFIG:PTT/KEY set to rts/off and set up Winmor accordingly. That should avoid the error message you are seeing. 

HTH & 73,
Brian, K0DTJ

> On Jan 10, 2016, at 09:36, Timothy Gordish <gordisht at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I am trying to use Winmor for Winlink2000 on my KX-3 and having difficulty.  I am unable to connect to stations although it transmits and receives but gives the error "Timeout in T>R latency measure"
> 
> I set the interface to the 38400 bps and am using Windows 10.  Anyone know a fix for this?

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Jan 11 00:52:57 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 20:52:57 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <201601110553.u0B5qvmH013780@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Just a comment on 20m prop from Alaska at 1800utc on Sunday.

Haven't been checking a lot lately as net time propagation on 20m is 
not too good during the dark months.  Sunrise currently is an hour 
after the start of the net which is 9:00am local.  I only get 5.5 
hours of daylight during the bottom of winter which appears to have 
propagation "sleeping at night".  In summer we can try QRP check-in 
but not likely to make it this time of year (have K3/10 and KX3).

Not sure if I could hear net control but did check in with a relay 
(probably from John-N6JW who is one of the strongest stations on the 
net for me).  W9/W8 probably comes in later in the day.  W6/W5/W7 are 
heard more often.  East Coast is  MIA.  WWVH on 15-MHz is strong.

I am running my K3 into CCI 120w linear to Hygain Th3mk4 triband yagi 
at 50-foot.
Anyway just a general comment; no suggestions to change 
anything.  Thank's for the relay.

Still thinking about selling my CCI AN762 and my Mirage A1015G to 
upgrade to a KXPA100.

73, Ed - KL7UW

Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:13:35 -0800
From: John W Webster <jww at dslextreme.com>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <18B775C5-6081-4690-952F-38E1403BC06C at dslextreme.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Please join us for the weekly Elecraft SSB net, today (Sunday, 10 January 2016)
at 18:00z (UTC) on 14.303.5 Mhz in the 20m band.  Eric, WB9JNZ in IL 
will be the
net control station, with relay help from others.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 01:08:02 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:08:02 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
In-Reply-To: <201601110553.u0B5qvmH013780@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201601110553.u0B5qvmH013780@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <569346c6.580e620a.36b31.ffffc38e@mx.google.com>

Ed,
In VK, I have never heard the net
........?
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
Sent: ?11/?01/?2016 3:53 PM
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net

Just a comment on 20m prop from Alaska at 1800utc on Sunday.

Haven't been checking a lot lately as net time propagation on 20m is 
not too good during the dark months.  Sunrise currently is an hour 
after the start of the net which is 9:00am local.  I only get 5.5 
hours of daylight during the bottom of winter which appears to have 
propagation "sleeping at night".  In summer we can try QRP check-in 
but not likely to make it this time of year (have K3/10 and KX3).

Not sure if I could hear net control but did check in with a relay 
(probably from John-N6JW who is one of the strongest stations on the 
net for me).  W9/W8 probably comes in later in the day.  W6/W5/W7 are 
heard more often.  East Coast is  MIA.  WWVH on 15-MHz is strong.

I am running my K3 into CCI 120w linear to Hygain Th3mk4 triband yagi 
at 50-foot.
Anyway just a general comment; no suggestions to change 
anything.  Thank's for the relay.

Still thinking about selling my CCI AN762 and my Mirage A1015G to 
upgrade to a KXPA100.

73, Ed - KL7UW

Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:13:35 -0800
From: John W Webster <jww at dslextreme.com>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <18B775C5-6081-4690-952F-38E1403BC06C at dslextreme.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Please join us for the weekly Elecraft SSB net, today (Sunday, 10 January 2016)
at 18:00z (UTC) on 14.303.5 Mhz in the 20m band.  Eric, WB9JNZ in IL 
will be the
net control station, with relay help from others.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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     dubususa at gmail.com

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From jhines2 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 06:13:55 2016
From: jhines2 at yahoo.com (wingman67)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 04:13:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 no audio
In-Reply-To: <1452471725901-7612521.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452471725901-7612521.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1452510835903-7612529.post@n2.nabble.com>

Ok I now have audio.....I can hear "hiss" fairly loudly as well as strong
sidetone when I go into the stl menu.  I replaced C11 and audio sprung to
life.

I proceeded to wind L1 and installed it, then re-installed my filter board
and now I get the E42, "No VFO."  I can go into the menus and successfully
have the K1 see the two bands that the filter board support and can switch
between them, no problems but I can't proceed further due to the E42.  

The audio I hear is strong but is of course just "hiss" since the VFO isn't
working yet (therefore I don't hear anything other than the hiss and hence
the E42).

I was told that sometimes D17 installed backwards could cause this.  I
checked its orientation and it is correct.  I also checked soldering around
some of the other caps that some have said can be an issue and reflowed them
just to be safe.  

I am continuing to try tracing out the issue but any ideas on where else I
might look, on the offchance anyone else has encountered this same thing?



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From n1nk at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 06:24:29 2016
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 06:24:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA adapter is sold
Message-ID: <005501d14c62$a3882690$ea9873b0$@cox.net>

The subject line says it all.

 

Jim/N1NK


From john at kk9a.com  Mon Jan 11 11:03:11 2016
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:03:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KCR2 versus Bandmaster III
Message-ID: <8c3e67cd38304154fb832e29717400ff.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

I have several of the original six band Top Ten Band Decoders. I rewired
my old Yaesu cables to accommodate the K3S and it works great for
automatically switching bandpass filters and antennas.

John KK9A

Rick Tavan rick at tavan.com
Sun Jan 10 13:33:27 EST 2016

Another nice solution, especially for more complex stations, is the new
Band Aide band decoder from Top Ten Devices. The optional K3 ACC cable
provides clean integration or you can build your own. You can do "wire
ORing" internally to let multiple bands select the same multi-band
antenna. The box provides front panel LEDs for 160-6 band selection
including 60 and WARC. It has a rotary switch that offers manual selection
of an antenna other than the one normally selected for a band and five
optional positions that leave the default selection active but also
activate a separate output line that can drive an external relay to select
among alternate antennas on a band. It's simple to use in basic stations
and flexible to use in more complex situations. I have two in my SO2R
station and like them very much.


From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Jan 11 11:14:51 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:14:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
Message-ID: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was operating VE4EA in NAQP this weekend...

A couple of people said the CW sounded mushy.

I was running QSK, with N1MM DTR CW Keying using the KUSB.

I noticed, on the sidetone, that it got mushy around 40 wpm.

I don't know Cary's firmware rev.  Is there a fix for this?

(This is with RIT off).

Interestingly, I also used the K3S at VY1AAA, at the same speeds.  No
issues.

Did anyone notice this on the sig?  Is there a later firmware that
addresses his issue?

73,

Gerry, W1VE / VE1RM

From jhines2 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 11:48:21 2016
From: jhines2 at yahoo.com (wingman67)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:48:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 no audio
In-Reply-To: <1452471725901-7612521.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452471725901-7612521.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1452530901042-7612533.post@n2.nabble.com>

Problem solved, thanks for the pointers Don!  In checking the RF board and
filter board over and over, I disassembled the front-panel board again,
resoldered pin 10 on J1 since it didn't look as good to me as it could have
been and then, as I went over everything I found an unsoldered leg on R11. 
I am normally extremely meticulous when it comes to building but this one
got past me!  Soldered that leg, re-assembled the FP assembly and hooked it
back up to the K1's RF and all is well.  VFO works and all tests pass.

So now I'm ready to start working on the TX section of the board.

Thanks again Don.



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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 11:55:58 2016
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:55:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 no audio
In-Reply-To: <1452530901042-7612533.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1452471725901-7612521.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1452530901042-7612533.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2CFF12C1-BC84-4CF5-93A6-F05DBE8BBAE6@gmail.com>

John, great to hear.
Most of us have graduated to a 6? loop that is lighted.
Frank KG9H

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 10:48 AM, wingman67 via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Problem solved, thanks for the pointers Don!  In checking the RF board and
> filter board over and over, I disassembled the front-panel board again,
> resoldered pin 10 on J1 since it didn't look as good to me as it could have
> been and then, as I went over everything I found an unsoldered leg on R11. 
> I am normally extremely meticulous when it comes to building but this one
> got past me!  Soldered that leg, re-assembled the FP assembly and hooked it
> back up to the K1's RF and all is well.  VFO works and all tests pass.
> 
> So now I'm ready to start working on the TX section of the board.
> 
> Thanks again Don.
> 
> 
> 
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From jhines2 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:06:54 2016
From: jhines2 at yahoo.com (wingman67)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:06:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 no audio
In-Reply-To: <2CFF12C1-BC84-4CF5-93A6-F05DBE8BBAE6@gmail.com>
References: <1452471725901-7612521.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<2CFF12C1-BC84-4CF5-93A6-F05DBE8BBAE6@gmail.com>
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lol!  Not a bad idea Frank!  :)

John
KD8UDZ



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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jan 11 12:17:25 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:17:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-10112i-59C97D37AFED413BBB5A47D07A8F7B48@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I don't know if this applies to your station, but if you are 
using a level converter circuit similar to the one in Fred's KX3 
book -- 10K input resistor to NPN base with a diode to 
ground/emitter and a .1 MFD cap between the collector/output and 
ground -- this might apply.

I was using the circuit to level translate RS-232 input to an 
Arduino. I discovered that the .1 MFD cap so distorted the 
signal waveform that it wouldn't decode in the Arduino. Removing 
the cap fixed the problem.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/11/16 at 8:14 AM, gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) wrote:

>I was operating VE4EA in NAQP this weekend...
>
>A couple of people said the CW sounded mushy.
>
>I was running QSK, with N1MM DTR CW Keying using the KUSB.
>
>I noticed, on the sidetone, that it got mushy around 40 wpm.
>
>I don't know Cary's firmware rev.  Is there a fix for this?
>
>(This is with RIT off).
>
>Interestingly, I also used the K3S at VY1AAA, at the same speeds.  No
>issues.
>
>Did anyone notice this on the sig?  Is there a later firmware that
>addresses his issue?
>
>73,
>
>Gerry, W1VE / VE1RM

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:51:16 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:51:16 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5693EB94.6030407@gmail.com>

Is it a K3 (not K3S) which did NOT have its synthesizer upgraded?
If so, then you MUST have QRQ mode turned on or you will see poor CW 
above about 35 wpm. In addition, note that QRQ mode is automatically 
disabled when you turn RIT/XIT on or use SPLIT.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 11 Jan 2016 18:14, Gerry Hull wrote:
> I was operating VE4EA in NAQP this weekend...
>
> A couple of people said the CW sounded mushy.
>
> I was running QSK, with N1MM DTR CW Keying using the KUSB.
>
> I noticed, on the sidetone, that it got mushy around 40 wpm.
>
> I don't know Cary's firmware rev.  Is there a fix for this?
>
> (This is with RIT off).
>
> Interestingly, I also used the K3S at VY1AAA, at the same speeds.  No
> issues.
>
> Did anyone notice this on the sig?  Is there a later firmware that
> addresses his issue?
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry, W1VE / VE1RM

From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Jan 11 14:07:38 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:07:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <5693EB94.6030407@gmail.com>
References: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5693EB94.6030407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vic,

This is K3, not K3s, no synth upgrade (yet!).   This is a KUSB cable for CW
keying, Stock.

You know, I've never really noticed a difference with QRQ on or off.

But, I do see a big difference when I go between 38 and 40 WPM.   I'll try
the QRQ mode again and see.  I'll also test with someone with QSK on and
off.

Thanks,

73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM


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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <
k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it a K3 (not K3S) which did NOT have its synthesizer upgraded?
> If so, then you MUST have QRQ mode turned on or you will see poor CW above
> about 35 wpm. In addition, note that QRQ mode is automatically disabled
> when you turn RIT/XIT on or use SPLIT.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
>
> On 11 Jan 2016 18:14, Gerry Hull wrote:
>
>> I was operating VE4EA in NAQP this weekend...
>>
>> A couple of people said the CW sounded mushy.
>>
>> I was running QSK, with N1MM DTR CW Keying using the KUSB.
>>
>> I noticed, on the sidetone, that it got mushy around 40 wpm.
>>
>> I don't know Cary's firmware rev.  Is there a fix for this?
>>
>> (This is with RIT off).
>>
>> Interestingly, I also used the K3S at VY1AAA, at the same speeds.  No
>> issues.
>>
>> Did anyone notice this on the sig?  Is there a later firmware that
>> addresses his issue?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gerry, W1VE / VE1RM
>>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 14:24:20 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:24:20 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5693EB94.6030407@gmail.com>
	<CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56940164.6050303@gmail.com>

A K3 with the old synth will sound bad at 38 wpm with any keying method 
unless QRQ is on.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 11 Jan 2016 21:07, Gerry Hull wrote:
> Hi Vic,
>
> This is K3, not K3s, no synth upgrade (yet!).   This is a KUSB cable for
> CW keying, Stock.
>
> You know, I've never really noticed a difference with QRQ on or off.
>
> But, I do see a big difference when I go between 38 and 40 WPM.   I'll
> try the QRQ mode again and see.  I'll also test with someone with QSK on
> and off.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jan 11 14:39:41 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:39:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't think "mushy" is the right term. It's jitter in the CW envelope timing. Generally jitter is less than +/- 1 ms, but with the old synth, QRQ mode turned off, and the code speed in a certain range (around 40 WPM), it can be a bit worse.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Gerry Hull <gerry at w1ve.com> wrote:

> Hi Vic,
> 
> This is K3, not K3s, no synth upgrade (yet!).   This is a KUSB cable for CW
> keying, Stock.
> 
> You know, I've never really noticed a difference with QRQ on or off.
> 
> But, I do see a big difference when I go between 38 and 40 WPM.   I'll try
> the QRQ mode again and see.  I'll also test with someone with QSK on and
> off.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM



From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Jan 11 14:45:03 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:45:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <DA9194C7-0C8E-4DBD-8C50-899CFA1F96F5@elecraft.com>
References: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5693EB94.6030407@gmail.com>
	<CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<DA9194C7-0C8E-4DBD-8C50-899CFA1F96F5@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CALcvumOtv37E6feVy9dyNjwrLmfCV8aPqPukcgYOv-2E7syjMQ@mail.gmail.com>

One listener expressed it as "clipped dits".   I guess at 40wpm, 1mS would
make enough of a difference in dit length.

Thanks for all the feedback.

73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM



On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> I don't think "mushy" is the right term. It's jitter in the CW envelope
> timing. Generally jitter is less than +/- 1 ms, but with the old synth, QRQ
> mode turned off, and the code speed in a certain range (around 40 WPM), it
> can be a bit worse.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Gerry Hull <gerry at w1ve.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Vic,
> >
> > This is K3, not K3s, no synth upgrade (yet!).   This is a KUSB cable for
> CW
> > keying, Stock.
> >
> > You know, I've never really noticed a difference with QRQ on or off.
> >
> > But, I do see a big difference when I go between 38 and 40 WPM.   I'll
> try
> > the QRQ mode again and see.  I'll also test with someone with QSK on and
> > off.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM
>
>
>

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 14:51:21 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:51:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumOtv37E6feVy9dyNjwrLmfCV8aPqPukcgYOv-2E7syjMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5693EB94.6030407@gmail.com>
	<CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<DA9194C7-0C8E-4DBD-8C50-899CFA1F96F5@elecraft.com>
	<CALcvumOtv37E6feVy9dyNjwrLmfCV8aPqPukcgYOv-2E7syjMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Clipped dits would be close enough. Your ear knows that the starts and
stops of bauds are not in correct relationship to each other and with other
bauds, it sounds different, not right, but picking a word to describe that
is hard.

73, Guy K2AV.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Gerry Hull <gerry at w1ve.com> wrote:

> One listener expressed it as "clipped dits".   I guess at 40wpm, 1mS would
> make enough of a difference in dit length.
>
> Thanks for all the feedback.
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think "mushy" is the right term. It's jitter in the CW envelope
> > timing. Generally jitter is less than +/- 1 ms, but with the old synth,
> QRQ
> > mode turned off, and the code speed in a certain range (around 40 WPM),
> it
> > can be a bit worse.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Gerry Hull <gerry at w1ve.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Vic,
> > >
> > > This is K3, not K3s, no synth upgrade (yet!).   This is a KUSB cable
> for
> > CW
> > > keying, Stock.
> > >
> > > You know, I've never really noticed a difference with QRQ on or off.
> > >
> > > But, I do see a big difference when I go between 38 and 40 WPM.   I'll
> > try
> > > the QRQ mode again and see.  I'll also test with someone with QSK on
> and
> > > off.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM
> >
> >
> >
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From dmb at lightstream.net  Mon Jan 11 10:43:02 2016
From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:43:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
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	<5693EB94.6030407@gmail.com>
	<CALcvumMBHLDP87==7=DFCrHJbzHzATdh9uJT_E6147pePyea7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<DA9194C7-0C8E-4DBD-8C50-899CFA1F96F5@elecraft.com>
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"Clipped dits" is a good description. Upgrading the synth(s) will fix
this, even with QRQ mode turned off. In fact it's so good, that I don't
even use QRQ mode anymore so there is no change when RIT/XIT or Split
modes are engaged. You'll also find that the K3 now accurately follows an
external keyer, whereas before the 'clipping' was evident at higher
speeds.

73, Dale WA8SRA


> One listener expressed it as "clipped dits".   I guess at 40wpm, 1mS would
> make enough of a difference in dit length.
>
> Thanks for all the feedback.
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think "mushy" is the right term. It's jitter in the CW envelope
>> timing. Generally jitter is less than +/- 1 ms, but with the old synth,
>> QRQ
>> mode turned off, and the code speed in a certain range (around 40 WPM),
>> it
>> can be a bit worse.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR



From w0eb at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 16:13:22 2016
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:13:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <4kuS1s01H45oxQM01kuTR8>
Message-ID: <em01ec8451-4b30-44f3-8346-99d4122aeebe@jimsdesktop-pc>

Oh yes,
The synthesizer upgrade isn't cheap, especially if you have two 
receivers (you have to upgrade the synth for each receiver, as one new 
one can't coexist with one old one, but from experience, I've found the 
keying sounds much cleaner with the new synthesizer, even at slower 
speeds and it actually helped clean up the dits on my bugs.  The bugs 
sounded so much different (better) with the new synthesizers, I had to 
totally readjust them.

If you are a really serious QRQ or even medium QRQ (40-50 wpm) the 
synthesizer upgrade IMO is a must do.  Unless you are really screaming 
along at 70+, you may even forget that QRQ mode ever existed in the K3 
and as previously stated, you won't have to lose your QRQ operation to 
run split or use the RIT at around 50 and below. (Split and RIT 
automatically turn QRQ mode off, at least in an unmodified K3.)

Jim - W0EB


>"Clipped dits" is a good description. Upgrading the synth(s) will fix
>this, even with QRQ mode turned off. In fact it's so good, that I don't
>even use QRQ mode anymore so there is no change when RIT/XIT or Split
>modes are engaged. You'll also find that the K3 now accurately follows 
>an
>external keyer, whereas before the 'clipping' was evident at higher
>speeds.
>
>73, Dale WA8SRA
>


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From gerry at w1ve.com  Mon Jan 11 16:42:58 2016
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:42:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <em01ec8451-4b30-44f3-8346-99d4122aeebe@jimsdesktop-pc>
References: <em01ec8451-4b30-44f3-8346-99d4122aeebe@jimsdesktop-pc>
Message-ID: <CALcvumNAtnrr0s4F+L+7-9eup=nKxOFsx2mMvAg1N0kCp54=JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jim,

I'm a contester... so go much above 45 and the rate starts to drop... but
when I have a serious pile, I go from 38 to 40 or 42.  So having a good
sounding K3 is important.  I used to be a QRQ rag chewer in my younger days
-- wish I had a rig as nice as a K3 back then; 60 to 70 was my enjoyable
range.  I had an Al Helfrick CMOS CW Keyboard.

I popped the front end my personal K3 attempting to do an in-band mult
 (400' sep of antennas, but it did not matter) ; so it's off the Elecraft
to get fixed, and to get the synth!!

>From the start of this thread: I was using my friend, Cary, VE4EA's K3,
which does not have the new synth.  I was remote, but using N1MM and the
KUSB.  We will get his set up properly as well.

73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh yes,
> The synthesizer upgrade isn't cheap, especially if you have two receivers
> (you have to upgrade the synth for each receiver, as one new one can't
> coexist with one old one, but from experience, I've found the keying sounds
> much cleaner with the new synthesizer, even at slower speeds and it
> actually helped clean up the dits on my bugs.  The bugs sounded so much
> different (better) with the new synthesizers, I had to totally readjust
> them.
>
> If you are a really serious QRQ or even medium QRQ (40-50 wpm) the
> synthesizer upgrade IMO is a must do.  Unless you are really screaming
> along at 70+, you may even forget that QRQ mode ever existed in the K3 and
> as previously stated, you won't have to lose your QRQ operation to run
> split or use the RIT at around 50 and below. (Split and RIT automatically
> turn QRQ mode off, at least in an unmodified K3.)
>
> Jim - W0EB
>
>
> "Clipped dits" is a good description. Upgrading the synth(s) will fix
>> this, even with QRQ mode turned off. In fact it's so good, that I don't
>> even use QRQ mode anymore so there is no change when RIT/XIT or Split
>> modes are engaged. You'll also find that the K3 now accurately follows an
>> external keyer, whereas before the 'clipping' was evident at higher
>> speeds.
>>
>> 73, Dale WA8SRA
>>
>>
>
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From K5WA at Comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 16:47:02 2016
From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:47:02 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
Message-ID: <054601d14cb9$9b8c9f00$d2a5dd00$@net>

If you prefer a rubber ring to the metal knobs, I've had great luck with the
Ten Tec rubber rings which feel perfect for my use.  
 
http://www.rkrdesignsllc.com/products/miscellaneous/trim-rings/
 
I have not tried to buy them recently but they still seem to be available
for $12 at the link above.
 
Bob K5WA
 
 
 
>>Message: 3
>>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:20:14 -0500
>>From: Anthony Scandurra <anthony.scandurra at gmail.com>
>>To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
>>Message-ID:
      <CAK6fA8nftM_ZBBh36N=Rg400HVg-VWrKuSzSAELJ--ezHdyD_A at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 
>>This is what you want.
 
>>http://www.73cnc.com/category_s/46.htm
 
>>73, Tony K4QE
 
>>On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
 
> Well, Bob, maybe someone will give it a try and let us know what 
> happens
> :-)
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
 

From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jan 11 17:54:58 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:54:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
References: <001b01d14bb5$4b730d10$e2592730$@net>
Message-ID: <569432C2.5070501@elecraft.com>

Soon, but we're waiting for commitment on delivery for the next increased 
production run of these.  As soon as we have that date and if it looks 
reasonable, we'll put the K3S VFO grip ring on the order form.

Our prime reason for being careful on this is to not sell out all of our current 
stock of the grip ring and then not be able to ship K3Ss.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/10/2016 6:43 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
> When will the "new" VFO-A dial knob be available for purchase?...and price
> for the knob/rubber ring?  I didn't see it listed in the K3S's product dept.
>
>   
>
> 73
>
> Tom/K1TL...
>
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jan 11 18:11:27 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:11:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <054601d14cb9$9b8c9f00$d2a5dd00$@net>
References: <054601d14cb9$9b8c9f00$d2a5dd00$@net>
Message-ID: <5694369F.4010906@elecraft.com>

If you look at the main home page link of the one K5WA posted below, 
http://www.rkrdesignsllc.com/ , near the bottom of the page it states:

RKR Designs LLC no longer sells or services Ten Tec products. For all Ten-Tec 
products, Sales and Service, go to: www.tentec.com

The tentec.com site has a single placeholder page with a statement by the new 
owner and is not taking any product orders at this time.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/11/2016 1:47 PM, K5WA wrote:
> If you prefer a rubber ring to the metal knobs, I've had great luck with the
> Ten Tec rubber rings which feel perfect for my use.
>   
> http://www.rkrdesignsllc.com/products/miscellaneous/trim-rings/
>   
> I have not tried to buy them recently but they still seem to be available
> for $12 at the link above.
>   
> Bob K5WA
>   
>   
>   
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:20:14 -0500
>>> From: Anthony Scandurra <anthony.scandurra at gmail.com>
>>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
>>> Message-ID:
>        <CAK6fA8nftM_ZBBh36N=Rg400HVg-VWrKuSzSAELJ--ezHdyD_A at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>   
>   
>>> This is what you want.
>   
>>> http://www.73cnc.com/category_s/46.htm
>   
>>> 73, Tony K4QE
>   
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>   
>> Well, Bob, maybe someone will give it a try and let us know what
>> happens
>> :-)
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>   
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jan 11 19:42:21 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:42:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Mushy CW in QSK at 38 wpm and above...
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcvumOWg1SGwseMW_NmL2z9XhnxU==wToJ0Gthjpp_JBKk9KQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56944BED.5080809@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/11/2016 8:14 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> Did anyone notice this on the sig?

Sort of, but I was so thrilled to get you 80M mult that I paid no 
attention to it. :)

73, Jim K9YC

From w4rm at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 20:10:54 2016
From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:10:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Extra K3 Filters
Message-ID: <0a2c01d14cd6$16782560$43687020$@aol.com>

I have a few extra K3 filters

 

KFL3B-FM            $100 shipped

KFL3BA-2.1K       $100 shipped

 

73 Bill  W4RM

 

Please use W4RM at AOL.COM <mailto:W4RM at AOL.COM>  as my primary account

 


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 21:29:49 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:29:49 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
In-Reply-To: <5694369F.4010906@elecraft.com>
References: <054601d14cb9$9b8c9f00$d2a5dd00$@net>
	<5694369F.4010906@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <56946521.08e5420a.dd5e5.ffffdce9@mx.google.com>

Eric,

I am wrapped (not physicaly) in the feel of the k3s band on vfo A, my advice to all is to wait for Elecraft to list it.
Well worth the wait I reckon.

Just a happy user...?

Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <eric at elecraft.com>
Sent: ?12/?01/?2016 9:13 AM
To: "K5WA" <K5WA at Comcast.net>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob

If you look at the main home page link of the one K5WA posted below, 
http://www.rkrdesignsllc.com/ , near the bottom of the page it states:

RKR Designs LLC no longer sells or services Ten Tec products. For all Ten-Tec 
products, Sales and Service, go to: www.tentec.com

The tentec.com site has a single placeholder page with a statement by the new 
owner and is not taking any product orders at this time.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/11/2016 1:47 PM, K5WA wrote:
> If you prefer a rubber ring to the metal knobs, I've had great luck with the
> Ten Tec rubber rings which feel perfect for my use.
>   
> http://www.rkrdesignsllc.com/products/miscellaneous/trim-rings/
>   
> I have not tried to buy them recently but they still seem to be available
> for $12 at the link above.
>   
> Bob K5WA
>   
>   
>   
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:20:14 -0500
>>> From: Anthony Scandurra <anthony.scandurra at gmail.com>
>>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VFO-A Dial Knob
>>> Message-ID:
>        <CAK6fA8nftM_ZBBh36N=Rg400HVg-VWrKuSzSAELJ--ezHdyD_A at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>   
>   
>>> This is what you want.
>   
>>> http://www.73cnc.com/category_s/46.htm
>   
>>> 73, Tony K4QE
>   
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>   
>> Well, Bob, maybe someone will give it a try and let us know what
>> happens
>> :-)
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>   
> ______________________________________________________________
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From ab2e at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 11 23:14:34 2016
From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:14:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with Array Solutions DBS-1 band decoders
Message-ID: <SN1PR16MB04470FFA7AC82ED6CE1572429BCA0@SN1PR16MB0447.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Hello group,

I have an Elecraft K3 and want to hook up an Array Solutions DBS-1 band decoder so I need to make a cable.

Is anyone here also using a DBS-1 with a K3 who could send me the cable details?


Thanks and 73,


Darrell AB2E


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jan 12 01:43:15 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:43:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New band output codes
Message-ID: <r422Ps-10112i-F9AAF0D7E7F84ED9AF6277690C37BA3C@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Currently, the K3 and K3S band outputs have unique codes for the 
amateur bands 160M through 6M with the code for 60M being shared 
with the output when the radio is off. With the new allocations 
for 2200M and 630M being likely, and a possibility of having 
more frequency freedom in the 60M band, perhaps it is time to 
consider reassigning the band outputs to include these new frequencies.

Probably the most compatible way to reassign these codes is to 
use the same codes for 160M through 6M, reassign 60M so it 
doesn't conflict with the code when the radio is turned off, and 
assign codes for 630M and 2200M. That would use 14 of the 16 
possible codes leaving two for future use or to describe two 
transverter frequencies.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 09:30:37 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:30:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
References: <1433304230.3060030.1452609037728.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1433304230.3060030.1452609037728.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>


I finally decided to get some rechargeable batteries (and the KXBC3) for my KX3.
The Regular Eneloop are 2000 mAh and 1000 recharge cycles?The Eneloop Pro's are 2550 mAh and 500 Recharge cycles.
I'm not really concerned about the difference in recharge cycles?so the Pro's look like the ones to go with for longer run time.
I have read that the Pros are slightly larger and don't fin it some battery?holders but I would suspect that I would not have that issue in the KX3.

Any thoughts?

Thank you



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jan 12 11:00:49 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:00:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <1433304230.3060030.1452609037728.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1433304230.3060030.1452609037728.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1433304230.3060030.1452609037728.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>

I use Eneloop XX batteries in my KX3 with no problems. They are a very tight fit, but that is because of the low-resistance contacts in the KX3 battery holder. The 2nd generation Eneloop XX were renamed ?Eneloop Pro?. 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I finally decided to get some rechargeable batteries (and the KXBC3) for my KX3.
> The Regular Eneloop are 2000 mAh and 1000 recharge cycles The Eneloop Pro's are 2550 mAh and 500 Recharge cycles.
> I'm not really concerned about the difference in recharge cycles so the Pro's look like the ones to go with for longer run time.
> I have read that the Pros are slightly larger and don't fin it some battery holders but I would suspect that I would not have that issue in the KX3.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 13:56:04 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:56:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
References: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <129314487.3236433.1452624964327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you


 

      From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
   
I use Eneloop XX batteries in my KX3 with no problems. They are a very tight fit, but that is because of the low-resistance contacts in the KX3 battery holder. The 2nd generation Eneloop XX were renamed ?Eneloop Pro?. 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I finally decided to get some rechargeable batteries (and the KXBC3) for my KX3.
> The Regular Eneloop are 2000 mAh and 1000 recharge cycles The Eneloop Pro's are 2550 mAh and 500 Recharge cycles.
> I'm not really concerned about the difference in recharge cycles so the Pro's look like the ones to go with for longer run time.
> I have read that the Pros are slightly larger and don't fin it some battery holders but I would suspect that I would not have that issue in the KX3.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
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From cjh at monkeybutler.org  Tue Jan 12 15:58:06 2016
From: cjh at monkeybutler.org (Cory Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <129314487.3236433.1452624964327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
	<129314487.3236433.1452624964327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABMngBAiLTgk2rcEahpS9-LWt8F6y4F1R-CJc7kF3WYUHOdE6w@mail.gmail.com>

I've not confirmed this, but I have heard AmazonBasics rechargeables are
re-branded Eneloop Pros. Might save you a few bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-High-Capacity-Rechargeable-Batteries-Pre-charged/dp/B00HZV9WTM/ref=sr_1_3?s=amazonbasics&ie=UTF8&qid=1452632215&sr=8-3&keywords=amazonbasics+batteries


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Thank you
>
>
>
>
>       From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
>  To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:00 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
>
> I use Eneloop XX batteries in my KX3 with no problems. They are a very
> tight fit, but that is because of the low-resistance contacts in the KX3
> battery holder. The 2nd generation Eneloop XX were renamed ?Eneloop Pro?.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I finally decided to get some rechargeable batteries (and the KXBC3) for
> my KX3.
> > The Regular Eneloop are 2000 mAh and 1000 recharge cycles The Eneloop
> Pro's are 2550 mAh and 500 Recharge cycles.
> > I'm not really concerned about the difference in recharge cycles so the
> Pro's look like the ones to go with for longer run time.
> > I have read that the Pros are slightly larger and don't fin it some
> battery holders but I would suspect that I would not have that issue in the
> KX3.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
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From jgalak at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 16:07:01 2016
From: jgalak at gmail.com (Juliean Galak)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:07:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <CABMngBAiLTgk2rcEahpS9-LWt8F6y4F1R-CJc7kF3WYUHOdE6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
	<129314487.3236433.1452624964327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABMngBAiLTgk2rcEahpS9-LWt8F6y4F1R-CJc7kF3WYUHOdE6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C17438F8-75C7-4560-8AAC-8EE7B3DA6AD3@gmail.com>

Both Eneloop and Amazon batteries are NiMh.  They can be changed with the same changers.  Whether they are same manufacturer I don't know.

Juliean 
KQ2Z

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Cory Hendrickson <cjh at monkeybutler.org> wrote:
> 
> I've not confirmed this, but I have heard AmazonBasics rechargeables are
> re-branded Eneloop Pros. Might save you a few bucks.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-High-Capacity-Rechargeable-Batteries-Pre-charged/dp/B00HZV9WTM/ref=sr_1_3?s=amazonbasics&ie=UTF8&qid=1452632215&sr=8-3&keywords=amazonbasics+batteries
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>      From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
>> 
>> I use Eneloop XX batteries in my KX3 with no problems. They are a very
>> tight fit, but that is because of the low-resistance contacts in the KX3
>> battery holder. The 2nd generation Eneloop XX were renamed ?Eneloop Pro?.
>> 
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>> 
>>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I finally decided to get some rechargeable batteries (and the KXBC3) for
>> my KX3.
>>> The Regular Eneloop are 2000 mAh and 1000 recharge cycles The Eneloop
>> Pro's are 2550 mAh and 500 Recharge cycles.
>>> I'm not really concerned about the difference in recharge cycles so the
>> Pro's look like the ones to go with for longer run time.
>>> I have read that the Pros are slightly larger and don't fin it some
>> battery holders but I would suspect that I would not have that issue in the
>> KX3.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 16:11:58 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:11:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
References: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <1649986360.3338124.1452633118783.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks all
I ordered the Pro version as they have a little more capacity


 

      
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I finally decided to get some rechargeable batteries (and the KXBC3) for my KX3.
> The Regular Eneloop are 2000 mAh and 1000 recharge cycles The Eneloop Pro's are 2550 mAh and 500 Recharge cycles.
> I'm not really concerned about the difference in recharge cycles so the Pro's look like the ones to go with for longer run time.
> I have read that the Pros are slightly larger and don't fin it some battery holders but I would suspect that I would not have that issue in the KX3.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
   

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jan 12 16:16:52 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:16:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <C17438F8-75C7-4560-8AAC-8EE7B3DA6AD3@gmail.com>
References: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
	<129314487.3236433.1452624964327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABMngBAiLTgk2rcEahpS9-LWt8F6y4F1R-CJc7kF3WYUHOdE6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<C17438F8-75C7-4560-8AAC-8EE7B3DA6AD3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E04CB791-1735-4BC8-AD91-C05BC686323D@wunderwood.org>

The Amazon specs look good (2400 mAh, 65% after three years), but don?t match any Eneloop model in the chart on the Wikipedia page. They are closest to the 1st generation Eneloop Pro, but that does not have a three-year spec.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneloop <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneloop>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Juliean Galak <jgalak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Both Eneloop and Amazon batteries are NiMh.  They can be changed with the same changers.  Whether they are same manufacturer I don't know.
> 
> Juliean 
> KQ2Z
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Cory Hendrickson <cjh at monkeybutler.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I've not confirmed this, but I have heard AmazonBasics rechargeables are
>> re-branded Eneloop Pros. Might save you a few bucks.
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-High-Capacity-Rechargeable-Batteries-Pre-charged/dp/B00HZV9WTM/ref=sr_1_3?s=amazonbasics&ie=UTF8&qid=1452632215&sr=8-3&keywords=amazonbasics+batteries
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
>>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
>>> 
>>> I use Eneloop XX batteries in my KX3 with no problems. They are a very
>>> tight fit, but that is because of the low-resistance contacts in the KX3
>>> battery holder. The 2nd generation Eneloop XX were renamed ?Eneloop Pro?.
>>> 
>>> wunder
>>> K6WRU
>>> Walter Underwood
>>> CM87wj
>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
>>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I finally decided to get some rechargeable batteries (and the KXBC3) for
>>> my KX3.
>>>> The Regular Eneloop are 2000 mAh and 1000 recharge cycles The Eneloop
>>> Pro's are 2550 mAh and 500 Recharge cycles.
>>>> I'm not really concerned about the difference in recharge cycles so the
>>> Pro's look like the ones to go with for longer run time.
>>>> I have read that the Pros are slightly larger and don't fin it some
>>> battery holders but I would suspect that I would not have that issue in the
>>> KX3.
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jan 12 16:22:43 2016
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:22:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <C17438F8-75C7-4560-8AAC-8EE7B3DA6AD3@gmail.com>
References: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
	<129314487.3236433.1452624964327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABMngBAiLTgk2rcEahpS9-LWt8F6y4F1R-CJc7kF3WYUHOdE6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<C17438F8-75C7-4560-8AAC-8EE7B3DA6AD3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56956EA3.7030306@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

The key (and thanks for not asking how I know) is "precharged" vs. 
normal NiMH batteries.

"Precharged" batteries have a far lower internal discharge rate, 
compared to normal, standard batteries.

If you have precharged batteries (like the Eneloop XX), your KX3 will 
work when you pick it up to play with it.

If you don't, the batteries will likely be dead, and you'll have to 
delay your fun until the batteries have had enough time to charge.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/12/2016 1:07 PM, Juliean Galak wrote:
> Both Eneloop and Amazon batteries are NiMh.  They can be changed with the same changers.  Whether they are same manufacturer I don't know.
>
> Juliean
> KQ2Z


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 16:24:12 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:24:12 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
Message-ID: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>

I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my 
complete antenna and feed system because something in it is misbehaving 
and I don't know what!

My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).

The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum tubing, 
no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 feet of 
"true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire 
spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except near 
the antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the 
spacing doesn't change when the antenna rotates.

The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, which 
is a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a 
couple of spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet 
long connects it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series 
with each leg which knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it 
possible to tune more easily. Then a very short piece of window line 
connects to a big 5kW DX Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner 
service, and finally via a piece of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.

My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.

Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. On 
40, it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple 
of hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts 
to climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of 
destroying something.

The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I have in 
line.

Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?

- The tuner components are all cold.
- The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
- The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to touch 
the core to tell).
- The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors and 
all the connections in the shack are cold.

I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and voltages 
are high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more 
ideas of where to look?

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jan 12 16:26:59 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:26:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5QR+HfRNYsp56C6YK_o+YN+8cWPn2cvJ1uGu+1RTesMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
	<CA+33ts5QR+HfRNYsp56C6YK_o+YN+8cWPn2cvJ1uGu+1RTesMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A507D4F2-55C5-4A17-9DB1-63F45B1E4F1E@yahoo.co.uk>

I just finished playing the two test files that the author supplied, through the sound card to the KX3 and used the Data A input so that there was no compression or TX equalisation taking effect. I had the scope connected to a sampler on a dummy load and the KX3 set to 14.3 MHz at 3 watts PEP. 

The RF power levelling in the KX3 does a very good job. Reducing the drive level of the audio well below ALC indication made almost no difference as the KX3 just went ahead and levelled the power again to 3 watts PEP ...

I captured the peak output on the digital sampling scope for both the conventional and CESSB signal from the KX3 RF output and here are links to the scope screen shots.

First the CESSB
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0kjrvzispyb45jy/CESSB%20ESSB%204KHz.BMP?dl=0

The conventional SSB
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4mmlwkcb77540c/conventional%20ESSB%204Khz.BMP?dl=0

Not a lot of difference, certainly not as much as there is if you compare the audio files going into the rig. 

73 from David GM4JJJ


> On 10 Jan 2016, at 18:36, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi David
> 
> I doubt you ever will.  If I remember correctly, what the CESSB does is
> correctly clamp the gain while ensuring you continue to get full power.
> 
> The micro second you go over 100%, the radio starts to clamp RF out and in
> fact reduces it considerably.  You would only be able to tell by watching
> your RF envelope in a scope.
> 
> This is all off the top of my head, but that is what I remember.  I'll have
> to read the paper on it again.
> 
> There are likely others that know more about it than I do.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:44 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> I don't know why but I kept using ECSSB when I meant CESSB obviously,
>> sorry for any confusion!
>> 
>> Although the Elecraft power levelling is excellent, and I have not ever
>> had bad reports of audio quality or splatter with my KX3 with the processor
>> on or off, it certainly would be nice to be able to increase the talk power
>> further as CESSB promises.
>> 
>> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2016, at 16:04, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was presented at Dayton this year.  If memory serves me correctly,
>> it
>>> was installed in SmartSDR 1.2 back in March of 2015.
>>> 
>>> http://www.flex-radio.nl/flex-6000-serie/the-flex-insider/
>>> 
>>> It is very interesting just how big the impact of overshooting has on
>>> killing your RF output.
>>> 
>>> This is one of those ... less is more .. situations.
>>> 
>>> Mike va3mw
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the link, my ARRL magazines take more time to get to me now
>>>> that I am out in the boon-docks. The new QEX article is a good read, and
>>>> with flex incorporating CESSB we can hope that maybe Elecraft can
>>>> incorporated it into at least the KX3.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Gary Mitchelson
>>>> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
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From sasimpson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 16:55:53 2016
From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:55:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Eneloop or Eneloop Pro Batteries for my KX3?
In-Reply-To: <56956EA3.7030306@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <1EE8BDA1-4568-4A31-912B-130894AD6807@wunderwood.org>
	<129314487.3236433.1452624964327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABMngBAiLTgk2rcEahpS9-LWt8F6y4F1R-CJc7kF3WYUHOdE6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<C17438F8-75C7-4560-8AAC-8EE7B3DA6AD3@gmail.com>
	<56956EA3.7030306@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <CAP=6jy-sJW3X5t=MQNk_M0L-NHiCohXoz470jYWFj-WbE_fuaw@mail.gmail.com>

i've used these with some success:  http://amzn.com/B00HZV9WTM

they are 2400mAh, 8 for $20 amazon basics rechargeable.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:23 PM Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> The key (and thanks for not asking how I know) is "precharged" vs.
> normal NiMH batteries.
>
> "Precharged" batteries have a far lower internal discharge rate,
> compared to normal, standard batteries.
>
> If you have precharged batteries (like the Eneloop XX), your KX3 will
> work when you pick it up to play with it.
>
> If you don't, the batteries will likely be dead, and you'll have to
> delay your fun until the batteries have had enough time to charge.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 1/12/2016 1:07 PM, Juliean Galak wrote:
> > Both Eneloop and Amazon batteries are NiMh.  They can be changed with
> the same changers.  Whether they are same manufacturer I don't know.
> >
> > Juliean
> > KQ2Z
>
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Tue Jan 12 16:56:53 2016
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:56:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 span per band?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9zCnsavdX13z=v0t_HzHf+6Gvd1u8yVfdj11zithO+kYw@mail.gmail.com>

It would be nice if the P3 would remember the Span setting on a per band
basis.

Have I missed a setting?

jim ab3cv

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 12 17:05:00 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <A507D4F2-55C5-4A17-9DB1-63F45B1E4F1E@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
	<CA+33ts5QR+HfRNYsp56C6YK_o+YN+8cWPn2cvJ1uGu+1RTesMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A507D4F2-55C5-4A17-9DB1-63F45B1E4F1E@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5695788C.9090205@embarqmail.com>

David,

Reducing the audio drive level "well below ALC indication" is not a good 
idea because the KX3 will 'power hunt'.
You should have at least 4 bars indicated on the ALC meter with the 5th 
bar flickering.
ALC action is indicated by the 5th bar and above.  Below that the "ALC" 
meter is more or less like a VU meter to allow you to adjust the audio 
drive.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/12/2016 4:26 PM, David Anderson wrote:
> I just finished playing the two test files that the author supplied, through the sound card to the KX3 and used the Data A input so that there was no compression or TX equalisation taking effect. I had the scope connected to a sampler on a dummy load and the KX3 set to 14.3 MHz at 3 watts PEP.
>
> The RF power levelling in the KX3 does a very good job. Reducing the drive level of the audio well below ALC indication made almost no difference as the KX3 just went ahead and levelled the power again to 3 watts PEP ...
>
> I captured the peak output on the digital sampling scope for both the conventional and CESSB signal from the KX3 RF output and here are links to the scope screen shots.
>
> First the CESSB
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0kjrvzispyb45jy/CESSB%20ESSB%204KHz.BMP?dl=0
>
> The conventional SSB
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4mmlwkcb77540c/conventional%20ESSB%204Khz.BMP?dl=0
>
> Not a lot of difference, certainly not as much as there is if you compare the audio files going into the rig.
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>
>
>> On 10 Jan 2016, at 18:36, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David
>>
>> I doubt you ever will.  If I remember correctly, what the CESSB does is
>> correctly clamp the gain while ensuring you continue to get full power.
>>
>> The micro second you go over 100%, the radio starts to clamp RF out and in
>> fact reduces it considerably.  You would only be able to tell by watching
>> your RF envelope in a scope.
>>
>> This is all off the top of my head, but that is what I remember.  I'll have
>> to read the paper on it again.
>>
>> There are likely others that know more about it than I do.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:44 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I don't know why but I kept using ECSSB when I meant CESSB obviously,
>>> sorry for any confusion!
>>>
>>> Although the Elecraft power levelling is excellent, and I have not ever
>>> had bad reports of audio quality or splatter with my KX3 with the processor
>>> on or off, it certainly would be nice to be able to increase the talk power
>>> further as CESSB promises.
>>>
>>> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>>>
>>>> On 10 Jan 2016, at 16:04, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This was presented at Dayton this year.  If memory serves me correctly,
>>> it
>>>> was installed in SmartSDR 1.2 back in March of 2015.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.flex-radio.nl/flex-6000-serie/the-flex-insider/
>>>>
>>>> It is very interesting just how big the impact of overshooting has on
>>>> killing your RF output.
>>>>
>>>> This is one of those ... less is more .. situations.
>>>>
>>>> Mike va3mw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the link, my ARRL magazines take more time to get to me now
>>>>> that I am out in the boon-docks. The new QEX article is a good read, and
>>>>> with flex incorporating CESSB we can hope that maybe Elecraft can
>>>>> incorporated it into at least the KX3.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Mitchelson
>>>>> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
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From k2mk at comcast.net  Tue Jan 12 17:29:01 2016
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:29:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 span per band?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9zCnsavdX13z=v0t_HzHf+6Gvd1u8yVfdj11zithO+kYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9zCnsavdX13z=v0t_HzHf+6Gvd1u8yVfdj11zithO+kYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1452637741036-7612567.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Jim,

Mine does. Are you seeing your K3 frequency on the P3 display?

73,
Mike K2MK


Jim AB3CV wrote
> It would be nice if the P3 would remember the Span setting on a per band
> basis.
> 
> Have I missed a setting?
> 
> jim ab3cv





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From jim at jtmiller.com  Tue Jan 12 17:32:28 2016
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:32:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 span per band?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9zCnsavdX13z=v0t_HzHf+6Gvd1u8yVfdj11zithO+kYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9zCnsavdX13z=v0t_HzHf+6Gvd1u8yVfdj11zithO+kYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9z5LWJoZmjseG9nuucSOuwxUsDPyGOax_sN_nZqv6nuHg@mail.gmail.com>

My bad. It does show span per band.

Need sleep...

73

jim ab3cv

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> It would be nice if the P3 would remember the Span setting on a per band
> basis.
>
> Have I missed a setting?
>
> jim ab3cv
>

From w4rm at aol.com  Tue Jan 12 17:47:15 2016
From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Extra K3 Filters SOLD
Message-ID: <07f901d14d8b$2f279090$8d76b1b0$@aol.com>

Both filters have been sold.

73 Bill  W4RM

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To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Extra K3 Filters

I have a few extra K3 filters

 

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From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 12 17:54:49 2016
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>
References: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL131-W531F6FCA0A072A3FA68A9ED0CA0@phx.gbl>

It would be very interesting to do that test... key for 10 sec.. if it is possible - on an early morning, that has frost or snow on the spacers...Look for the one that becomes dry or drippy.

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:24:12 +0200
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
> 
> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my 
> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is misbehaving 
> and I don't know what!
> 
> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
> 
> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum tubing, 
> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 feet of 
> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire 
> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except near 
> the antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the 
> spacing doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
> 
> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, which 
> is a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a 
> couple of spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet 
> long connects it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series 
> with each leg which knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it 
> possible to tune more easily. Then a very short piece of window line 
> connects to a big 5kW DX Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner 
> service, and finally via a piece of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
> 
> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
> 
> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. On 
> 40, it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple 
> of hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts 
> to climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of 
> destroying something.
> 
> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I have in 
> line.
> 
> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
> 
> - The tuner components are all cold.
> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to touch 
> the core to tell).
> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors and 
> all the connections in the shack are cold.
> 
> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and voltages 
> are high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more 
> ideas of where to look?
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 18:27:34 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:27:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>
References: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3D0Z8RswnfGFZnPos9Eut075a7KmEB76tj-WOEaAi8VA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vic,

Your story does suggest trouble at very high current points. Just a list of
things below I've heard or seen to stir up a new idea or two. No opinion on
which if any makes any sense in your situation.

---------

Insect nests in tubular spacers on open wire.

Spacers have carbon tracks.

Material inside the balun housing is much hotter than touchable material.

Stranded wire in open wire has been waterlogged, corroded and the remaining
conductor material at a current max along the line is heating up.

Wire inside insulation is nearly all broken, or is broken, and contact is
miscellaneous and highly resistive.

Insulation on the wire is significantly compromised by ultra violet or
critter nibbling, letting in water to the stranded conductor. Advice, has
been to use bare solid #12 copper or larger for open wire that is carrying
large standing waves, to handle the current maximums.

Check heat all around the entire core. I have burned up some number of
cores before I understood the materials and engineering. On one all the
damage was on a spot that comprised only 15 degrees of the circumference.

Electrical connections in aluminum elements made of telescoping tubing go
highly resistive as water is boiled out of the joints.

Connections made of dissimilar metals/materials go bad and become more
resistive as water is boiled out of the joint.

Tuner rotary switches going bad.

The rolling contact on on a variable coil losing its tension (numerous ways
for this to happen depending on construction), contact is very small and
becomes worse as it heats up. Fixed by repairing mechanism for maintaining
contact.

Parted conductors at conductor joints due to metal erosion at the contact
point.

--------

Your troubles would have me taking down the dipole, rebuilding it with all
mating surfaces wire-brushed and reassembled with clear silicone dielectric
grease, completely new hardware likewise treated, with all balanced
conductors replaced new, using bare solid #12 outdoors, and brand new runs
indoors. Old wire to recycling.

Hope this has kicked off a new idea for you.  73 and good luck.  Guy K2AV

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <
k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my
> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is misbehaving and
> I don't know what!
>
> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
>
> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum tubing,
> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 feet of
> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire
> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except near the
> antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the spacing
> doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>
> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, which is
> a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a couple of
> spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet long connects
> it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series with each leg which
> knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune more
> easily. Then a very short piece of window line connects to a big 5kW DX
> Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a piece
> of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>
> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>
> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. On 40,
> it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple of
> hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts to
> climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of
> destroying something.
>
> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I have in
> line.
>
> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>
> - The tuner components are all cold.
> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to touch the
> core to tell).
> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors and all
> the connections in the shack are cold.
>
> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and voltages are
> high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more ideas of
> where to look?
>
> --
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 19:03:57 2016
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:03:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3D0Z8RswnfGFZnPos9Eut075a7KmEB76tj-WOEaAi8VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANckpc3D0Z8RswnfGFZnPos9Eut075a7KmEB76tj-WOEaAi8VA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2014232386.3346964.1452643437628.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

In addition to the comments already, PVC material is notorious for breaking down under high voltage RF.? Avoid at all costs.? Use Pol-ethylene "rain for rent" tubing.? Works well in high Voltage RF.

Mel, K6KBE


      From: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
 To: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
   
Hi Vic,

Your story does suggest trouble at very high current points. Just a list of
things below I've heard or seen to stir up a new idea or two. No opinion on
which if any makes any sense in your situation.

---------

Insect nests in tubular spacers on open wire.

Spacers have carbon tracks.

Material inside the balun housing is much hotter than touchable material.

Stranded wire in open wire has been waterlogged, corroded and the remaining
conductor material at a current max along the line is heating up.

Wire inside insulation is nearly all broken, or is broken, and contact is
miscellaneous and highly resistive.

Insulation on the wire is significantly compromised by ultra violet or
critter nibbling, letting in water to the stranded conductor. Advice, has
been to use bare solid #12 copper or larger for open wire that is carrying
large standing waves, to handle the current maximums.

Check heat all around the entire core. I have burned up some number of
cores before I understood the materials and engineering. On one all the
damage was on a spot that comprised only 15 degrees of the circumference.

Electrical connections in aluminum elements made of telescoping tubing go
highly resistive as water is boiled out of the joints.

Connections made of dissimilar metals/materials go bad and become more
resistive as water is boiled out of the joint.

Tuner rotary switches going bad.

The rolling contact on on a variable coil losing its tension (numerous ways
for this to happen depending on construction), contact is very small and
becomes worse as it heats up. Fixed by repairing mechanism for maintaining
contact.

Parted conductors at conductor joints due to metal erosion at the contact
point.

--------

Your troubles would have me taking down the dipole, rebuilding it with all
mating surfaces wire-brushed and reassembled with clear silicone dielectric
grease, completely new hardware likewise treated, with all balanced
conductors replaced new, using bare solid #12 outdoors, and brand new runs
indoors. Old wire to recycling.

Hope this has kicked off a new idea for you.? 73 and good luck.? Guy K2AV

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <
k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my
> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is misbehaving and
> I don't know what!
>
> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
>
> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum tubing,
> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 feet of
> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire
> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except near the
> antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the spacing
> doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>
> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, which is
> a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a couple of
> spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet long connects
> it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series with each leg which
> knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune more
> easily. Then a very short piece of window line connects to a big 5kW DX
> Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a piece
> of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>
> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>
> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. On 40,
> it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple of
> hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts to
> climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of
> destroying something.
>
> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I have in
> line.
>
> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>
> - The tuner components are all cold.
> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to touch the
> core to tell).
> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors and all
> the connections in the shack are cold.
>
> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and voltages are
> high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more ideas of
> where to look?
>
> --
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From k1whs at metrocast.net  Tue Jan 12 19:18:26 2016
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:18:26 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
References: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A652C2342864FC38E4B83480D12FFC7@t30ce0d73e1b34>

Hello Vic,
It sure behaves like a ferrite core heating up!  After that, you must check 
everything up at the antenna. One thing you might try is to see how long it 
takes for the VSWR to drop to normal after a long key down session. A long 
time indicates something with some mass to it that holds heat. If it takes 
awhile to cool down, I would not suspect hot wires or an overheated joint.

Dave K1WHS


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO" <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:24 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question


> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my 
> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is misbehaving 
> and I don't know what!
>
> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
>
> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum tubing, 
> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 feet of 
> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire 
> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except near 
> the antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the spacing 
> doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>
> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, which is 
> a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a couple of 
> spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet long connects 
> it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series with each leg 
> which knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune 
> more easily. Then a very short piece of window line connects to a big 5kW 
> DX Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a 
> piece of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>
> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>
> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. On 40, 
> it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple of 
> hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts to 
> climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of 
> destroying something.
>
> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I have in 
> line.
>
> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>
> - The tuner components are all cold.
> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to touch the 
> core to tell).
> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors and all 
> the connections in the shack are cold.
>
> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and voltages are 
> high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more ideas of 
> where to look?
>
> -- 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From charles9415 at att.net  Tue Jan 12 21:41:38 2016
From: charles9415 at att.net (Charles Guenther)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:41:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fun with KX1 at Yellowstone NP
Message-ID: <0AC8B372-B775-43D7-8357-6200EF140513@att.net>

I'm in a cabin near Old Faithful in Yellowstone, and had a blast handing out QSO's for ARRL's NPOTA.  I used a KX1 running only 2 watts to an indoor wire antenna.  Made 158 Q's on 20 meters.  

For those awaiting LoTW credit for their NPOTA scores, please be patient with me.  My paper logs will be entered into DXKeeper as soon as I get home, and will be uploaded ASAP to LoTW (I already have the certificate).

73,
Chuck. NI0C/7


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jan 12 22:57:47 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:57:47 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3D0Z8RswnfGFZnPos9Eut075a7KmEB76tj-WOEaAi8VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>
	<CANckpc3D0Z8RswnfGFZnPos9Eut075a7KmEB76tj-WOEaAi8VA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7626AF7D-EDF9-4616-960B-E868DB68C770@blomand.net>

If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating thus not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change value which in turn changes tuning.  

Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vic,
> 
> Your story does suggest trouble at very high current points. Just a list of
> things below I've heard or seen to stir up a new idea or two. No opinion on
> which if any makes any sense in your situation.
> 
> ---------
> 
> Insect nests in tubular spacers on open wire.
> 
> Spacers have carbon tracks.
> 
> Material inside the balun housing is much hotter than touchable material.
> 
> Stranded wire in open wire has been waterlogged, corroded and the remaining
> conductor material at a current max along the line is heating up.
> 
> Wire inside insulation is nearly all broken, or is broken, and contact is
> miscellaneous and highly resistive.
> 
> Insulation on the wire is significantly compromised by ultra violet or
> critter nibbling, letting in water to the stranded conductor. Advice, has
> been to use bare solid #12 copper or larger for open wire that is carrying
> large standing waves, to handle the current maximums.
> 
> Check heat all around the entire core. I have burned up some number of
> cores before I understood the materials and engineering. On one all the
> damage was on a spot that comprised only 15 degrees of the circumference.
> 
> Electrical connections in aluminum elements made of telescoping tubing go
> highly resistive as water is boiled out of the joints.
> 
> Connections made of dissimilar metals/materials go bad and become more
> resistive as water is boiled out of the joint.
> 
> Tuner rotary switches going bad.
> 
> The rolling contact on on a variable coil losing its tension (numerous ways
> for this to happen depending on construction), contact is very small and
> becomes worse as it heats up. Fixed by repairing mechanism for maintaining
> contact.
> 
> Parted conductors at conductor joints due to metal erosion at the contact
> point.
> 
> --------
> 
> Your troubles would have me taking down the dipole, rebuilding it with all
> mating surfaces wire-brushed and reassembled with clear silicone dielectric
> grease, completely new hardware likewise treated, with all balanced
> conductors replaced new, using bare solid #12 outdoors, and brand new runs
> indoors. Old wire to recycling.
> 
> Hope this has kicked off a new idea for you.  73 and good luck.  Guy K2AV
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <
> k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my
>> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is misbehaving and
>> I don't know what!
>> 
>> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
>> 
>> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum tubing,
>> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 feet of
>> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire
>> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except near the
>> antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the spacing
>> doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>> 
>> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, which is
>> a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a couple of
>> spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet long connects
>> it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series with each leg which
>> knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune more
>> easily. Then a very short piece of window line connects to a big 5kW DX
>> Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a piece
>> of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>> 
>> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>> 
>> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. On 40,
>> it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple of
>> hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts to
>> climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of
>> destroying something.
>> 
>> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I have in
>> line.
>> 
>> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>> 
>> - The tuner components are all cold.
>> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
>> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to touch the
>> core to tell).
>> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors and all
>> the connections in the shack are cold.
>> 
>> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and voltages are
>> high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more ideas of
>> where to look?
>> 
>> --
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Jan 12 23:58:59 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <7626AF7D-EDF9-4616-960B-E868DB68C770@blomand.net>
References: <56956EFC.7040303@gmail.com>
	<CANckpc3D0Z8RswnfGFZnPos9Eut075a7KmEB76tj-WOEaAi8VA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7626AF7D-EDF9-4616-960B-E868DB68C770@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <5695D993.50008@subich.com>


On 1/12/2016 10:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
 > If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be
 > heating thus not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat
 > and cool and change value which in turn changes tuning.

Particularly if you are using a 4:1 balun!  On 40 meters the impedance
of the half size antenna is *very low*.  The 4:1 balun will further
decrease the impedance seen by the tuner causing it to work at its
absolute worst efficiency (highest circulating current).

At the very least see if you can extend the dipole to 44', then get
some Smith Chart software and see if you can find a compromise
feedline length that provides a reasonable impedance on all bands,
and finally replace the 4:1 balun with a high quality 1:1 current
balun.

By extending the dipole you should be able to find a compromise
feedline length that will provide a 100 - 300 Ohm impedance on
all bands - something the tuner will be much happier to with and
be far more efficient than working at best than 10 Ohms as it
probably is doing on 40 meters.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/12/2016 10:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating thus not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change value which in turn changes tuning.
>
> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vic,
>>
>> Your story does suggest trouble at very high current points. Just a list of
>> things below I've heard or seen to stir up a new idea or two. No opinion on
>> which if any makes any sense in your situation.
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> Insect nests in tubular spacers on open wire.
>>
>> Spacers have carbon tracks.
>>
>> Material inside the balun housing is much hotter than touchable material.
>>
>> Stranded wire in open wire has been waterlogged, corroded and the remaining
>> conductor material at a current max along the line is heating up.
>>
>> Wire inside insulation is nearly all broken, or is broken, and contact is
>> miscellaneous and highly resistive.
>>
>> Insulation on the wire is significantly compromised by ultra violet or
>> critter nibbling, letting in water to the stranded conductor. Advice, has
>> been to use bare solid #12 copper or larger for open wire that is carrying
>> large standing waves, to handle the current maximums.
>>
>> Check heat all around the entire core. I have burned up some number of
>> cores before I understood the materials and engineering. On one all the
>> damage was on a spot that comprised only 15 degrees of the circumference.
>>
>> Electrical connections in aluminum elements made of telescoping tubing go
>> highly resistive as water is boiled out of the joints.
>>
>> Connections made of dissimilar metals/materials go bad and become more
>> resistive as water is boiled out of the joint.
>>
>> Tuner rotary switches going bad.
>>
>> The rolling contact on on a variable coil losing its tension (numerous ways
>> for this to happen depending on construction), contact is very small and
>> becomes worse as it heats up. Fixed by repairing mechanism for maintaining
>> contact.
>>
>> Parted conductors at conductor joints due to metal erosion at the contact
>> point.
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Your troubles would have me taking down the dipole, rebuilding it with all
>> mating surfaces wire-brushed and reassembled with clear silicone dielectric
>> grease, completely new hardware likewise treated, with all balanced
>> conductors replaced new, using bare solid #12 outdoors, and brand new runs
>> indoors. Old wire to recycling.
>>
>> Hope this has kicked off a new idea for you.  73 and good luck.  Guy K2AV
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <
>> k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my
>>> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is misbehaving and
>>> I don't know what!
>>>
>>> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
>>>
>>> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum tubing,
>>> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 feet of
>>> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire
>>> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except near the
>>> antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the spacing
>>> doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>>>
>>> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, which is
>>> a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a couple of
>>> spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet long connects
>>> it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series with each leg which
>>> knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune more
>>> easily. Then a very short piece of window line connects to a big 5kW DX
>>> Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a piece
>>> of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>>>
>>> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>>>
>>> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. On 40,
>>> it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple of
>>> hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts to
>>> climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of
>>> destroying something.
>>>
>>> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I have in
>>> line.
>>>
>>> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>>>
>>> - The tuner components are all cold.
>>> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
>>> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to touch the
>>> core to tell).
>>> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors and all
>>> the connections in the shack are cold.
>>>
>>> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and voltages are
>>> high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more ideas of
>>> where to look?
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73,
>>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From schmiera at bellsouth.net  Wed Jan 13 00:50:40 2016
From: schmiera at bellsouth.net (RICHARD SCHMIEDT)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 05:50:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3-SVGA: Problems with ending Xmtn of stored messages
References: <50401013.4302115.1452664240532.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50401013.4302115.1452664240532.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Equipment: K3, P3 with SVGA board and TX Monitor. ?All firmware up to date.
I use the P3/SVGA memories for sending my canned messages in digital modes, typically in RTTY using FSK. ?I'm having problems with ending the strings being transmitted either by hitting the ESC key or by using "|" at the end of the text string in the memory. ?
Often if I hit the ESC key to stop xmtn of the memory string, it will flash END in the K3 text window, the K3 will go to rx, but then it go back and start Xmitg the remaining part of the string. ?I often have to hit the ESC key two or three times to get it to finally stop, or just wait for the diddling to finish.
The opposite is true if I use the "|" at the end of a memory string to stop xmitn. ?As the string memory is flushed to the K3, as soon as the "|" is flushed, the K3 text window reads END and it stops the xmitn, so only about 3 characters of the message actually get xmitd. ?If I take the "|" out, the full string is transmitted.
These events seem to be somewhat random. ?Sometimes the ESC key works perfectly and other times it doesn't. ?Same with the "|" problem in the string.
It its not an RF problem, because it does the same thing in the test mode.
Any help would be appreciated,Rick W4GE

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 02:41:45 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:41:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
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Vic:
Sounds like you have some things to check. Joe and others have given good
advice. However I question your overall design. It sounds like you have a
number of mismatches in your system. For instance is the feed point
impedance of your 20M dipole >600 ohms at 40 meters?  I think not but that
would be your match for "true ladder line". Then you switch to 450 ohm
ladder line at the static box. Have you checked for fried spiders across the
spark gaps? Then you go through a couple of caps, value unknown into a 4:1
balun which would bring you down about a 100 ohms (neglecting the caps) at
the coax. Seems like you would be adding series inductance not capacitance
and then maybe a 6 or 8 to 1 balun. Overall it seems like you are tuning
your feedline not your antenna.   Also you do not say how much power you are
running but I am betting you are getting less than 10% to your antenna. If
you are running 500 watts that would leave 450 watts dissipated in your
feedline. Ouch! It could be your coax is melting. 
Finally it sounds like you have multiple reflection points in your system
which isn't going to make your SWR meters very accurate. I recommend you try
simulating your transmission line in SPICE or some other simulation CAD
program and see what you really have. 
73
Fred, AE6QL

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:59 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Cc: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT antenna question


On 1/12/2016 10:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
 > If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be  > heating
thus not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat  > and cool and
change value which in turn changes tuning.

Particularly if you are using a 4:1 balun!  On 40 meters the impedance of
the half size antenna is *very low*.  The 4:1 balun will further decrease
the impedance seen by the tuner causing it to work at its absolute worst
efficiency (highest circulating current).

At the very least see if you can extend the dipole to 44', then get some
Smith Chart software and see if you can find a compromise feedline length
that provides a reasonable impedance on all bands, and finally replace the
4:1 balun with a high quality 1:1 current balun.

By extending the dipole you should be able to find a compromise feedline
length that will provide a 100 - 300 Ohm impedance on all bands - something
the tuner will be much happier to with and be far more efficient than
working at best than 10 Ohms as it probably is doing on 40 meters.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/12/2016 10:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating
thus not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change
value which in turn changes tuning.
>
> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vic,
>>
>> Your story does suggest trouble at very high current points. Just a 
>> list of things below I've heard or seen to stir up a new idea or two. 
>> No opinion on which if any makes any sense in your situation.
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> Insect nests in tubular spacers on open wire.
>>
>> Spacers have carbon tracks.
>>
>> Material inside the balun housing is much hotter than touchable material.
>>
>> Stranded wire in open wire has been waterlogged, corroded and the 
>> remaining conductor material at a current max along the line is heating
up.
>>
>> Wire inside insulation is nearly all broken, or is broken, and 
>> contact is miscellaneous and highly resistive.
>>
>> Insulation on the wire is significantly compromised by ultra violet 
>> or critter nibbling, letting in water to the stranded conductor. 
>> Advice, has been to use bare solid #12 copper or larger for open wire 
>> that is carrying large standing waves, to handle the current maximums.
>>
>> Check heat all around the entire core. I have burned up some number 
>> of cores before I understood the materials and engineering. On one 
>> all the damage was on a spot that comprised only 15 degrees of the
circumference.
>>
>> Electrical connections in aluminum elements made of telescoping 
>> tubing go highly resistive as water is boiled out of the joints.
>>
>> Connections made of dissimilar metals/materials go bad and become 
>> more resistive as water is boiled out of the joint.
>>
>> Tuner rotary switches going bad.
>>
>> The rolling contact on on a variable coil losing its tension 
>> (numerous ways for this to happen depending on construction), contact 
>> is very small and becomes worse as it heats up. Fixed by repairing 
>> mechanism for maintaining contact.
>>
>> Parted conductors at conductor joints due to metal erosion at the 
>> contact point.
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Your troubles would have me taking down the dipole, rebuilding it 
>> with all mating surfaces wire-brushed and reassembled with clear 
>> silicone dielectric grease, completely new hardware likewise treated, 
>> with all balanced conductors replaced new, using bare solid #12 
>> outdoors, and brand new runs indoors. Old wire to recycling.
>>
>> Hope this has kicked off a new idea for you.  73 and good luck.  Guy 
>> K2AV
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO < 
>> k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my 
>>> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is 
>>> misbehaving and I don't know what!
>>>
>>> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
>>>
>>> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum 
>>> tubing, no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 
>>> 30 feet of "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 
>>> insulated wire spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" 
>>> or so, except near the antenna and the rotor where I've added extra 
>>> ones so that the spacing doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>>>
>>> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, 
>>> which is a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground 
>>> and a couple of spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line 
>>> about 3 feet long connects it to a pair of large air variable 
>>> capacitors in series with each leg which knock out some of the 
>>> reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune more easily. Then a 
>>> very short piece of window line connects to a big 5kW DX Engineering 
>>> 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a piece of RG-213
18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>>>
>>> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>>>
>>> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. 
>>> On 40, it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a 
>>> couple of hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the 
>>> SWR starts to climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop 
>>> sending for fear of destroying something.
>>>
>>> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I 
>>> have in line.
>>>
>>> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>>>
>>> - The tuner components are all cold.
>>> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
>>> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to 
>>> touch the core to tell).
>>> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors 
>>> and all the connections in the shack are cold.
>>>
>>> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and 
>>> voltages are high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. 
>>> Any more ideas of where to look?
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73,
>>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jan 13 06:07:55 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:07:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
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Yes I know that Don, the purpose of the test was to see how much overshoot we got with an CESSB processed audio verses with normal audio and compare them. As part of my experiments I needed to see how much influence the audio drive level had and tried different audio drive levels from 0 to 5 bars of VU on the initial reference tone at the start of the transmission, to study how the power levelling worked on the KC3. I totally understand the function of the VU meter aspect of the "ALC" meter on the KX3. 

What I didn't want to do was have -any- ALC taking place as it may have masked the effect I was trying to see on the output envelope, hence the experimentation on levels which I knew should be below ALC, though as it is impossible to to turn off the closed loop power levelling in the KX3 it is hard to do the test at all. 

I did try at the normal drive levels as well, and with compression on/off, with SSB in ESSB and just about any other setting you care to mention.  It was an experiment, that is all.

What is apparent from looking at the output RF envelope is that the power levelling system always adjusts the peak power to what you have set in PWR very rapidly whatever speech audio drive level you apply to the radio. In this respect it is quite different to other radios, as we know from the instructions on how to set up levels for data and so on. 

The KX3 does show some envelope overshoot even with an external CESSB signal, showing that the current system is not "CESSB ready" as W9GR would put it. Meaning that even if an external box was available to produce CESSB audio in realtime, it would not be of very much benefit with the existing KX3 SSB modulator. See the QEX article this month (link in earlier post).

I am still interested to know if it would be possible for Elecraft to implement CESSB (which is freely available) within the KX3 DSP modulator.  

CESSB isn't a new MODE, and doesn't need a new receiver demodulator or anything.

Can I just finish by saying that I have no connection at all with W9GR or any other radio manufacturer.

I and am purely interested in whether this method of increasing average speech power within an SSB signal without production of clipped overshoot could be of benefit to Elecraft radios. From the detailed articles in QEX and QST it sounds to have great potential and is already available by one of the other USA radio manufacturers as I understand from the referenced article.


73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 12 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Reducing the audio drive level "well below ALC indication" is not a good idea because the KX3 will 'power hunt'.
> You should have at least 4 bars indicated on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering.
> ALC action is indicated by the 5th bar and above.  Below that the "ALC" meter is more or less like a VU meter to allow you to adjust the audio drive.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 
>> On 1/12/2016 4:26 PM, David Anderson wrote:
>> I just finished playing the two test files that the author supplied, through the sound card to the KX3 and used the Data A input so that there was no compression or TX equalisation taking effect. I had the scope connected to a sampler on a dummy load and the KX3 set to 14.3 MHz at 3 watts PEP.
>> 
>> The RF power levelling in the KX3 does a very good job. Reducing the drive level of the audio well below ALC indication made almost no difference as the KX3 just went ahead and levelled the power again to 3 watts PEP ...
>> 
>> I captured the peak output on the digital sampling scope for both the conventional and CESSB signal from the KX3 RF output and here are links to the scope screen shots.
>> 
>> First the CESSB
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0kjrvzispyb45jy/CESSB%20ESSB%204KHz.BMP?dl=0
>> 
>> The conventional SSB
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4mmlwkcb77540c/conventional%20ESSB%204Khz.BMP?dl=0
>> 
>> Not a lot of difference, certainly not as much as there is if you compare the audio files going into the rig.
>> 
>> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2016, at 18:36, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David
>>> 
>>> I doubt you ever will.  If I remember correctly, what the CESSB does is
>>> correctly clamp the gain while ensuring you continue to get full power.
>>> 
>>> The micro second you go over 100%, the radio starts to clamp RF out and in
>>> fact reduces it considerably.  You would only be able to tell by watching
>>> your RF envelope in a scope.
>>> 
>>> This is all off the top of my head, but that is what I remember.  I'll have
>>> to read the paper on it again.
>>> 
>>> There are likely others that know more about it than I do.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:44 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mike,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know why but I kept using ECSSB when I meant CESSB obviously,
>>>> sorry for any confusion!
>>>> 
>>>> Although the Elecraft power levelling is excellent, and I have not ever
>>>> had bad reports of audio quality or splatter with my KX3 with the processor
>>>> on or off, it certainly would be nice to be able to increase the talk power
>>>> further as CESSB promises.
>>>> 
>>>> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> 

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 07:30:22 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 07:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON with AM?
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-hfBw-7b318mSRWG=roEub65aqwdgQRh7-zJ1NO=U_5g@mail.gmail.com>

Is anybody using the P3 TX MON to monitor modulation waveform with AM
transmission?  I'd appreciate comments on how effective a tool it is.

I've only seen one video on youtube of a cw xmsn, and it appeared that the
P3 captured a transmit waveform and displayed it (like a storage
oscilloscope).  I'm wondering how dynamic the xmit waveform display is in
cw, AM and SSB.

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan 13 07:40:58 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:40:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
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I'm always fascinated by those which use of a 4:1 balun when 450 ohm 
line is used.  In most all cases, the 450 ohm line is operated at a 
known high SWR.  The nature of 450 ohm line {or other line such as 300 
ohm or 600 ohm, etc.}  is that it exhibits much lower loss when operated 
at a high SWR as compared to coax under the same conditions.   The 
point...... we are not matching the feed-line impedance.  Even if we 
desired to match the feed line, it would need to be terminated into a 
450 load.  Even then with a 4:1 balun we would have a ~2.25:1 SWR best 
case at the source. [450/4=112.5/50=2.25]

The feed-line basically reflects the impedance of the antenna from the 
feed point to the source.  Although at certain electrical lengths of 
line it can serve as a 1/4 wave transformer thus transforming the 
antenna impedance to another value, we typically find that a 1:1 current 
balun is better suited for the application when working between a 
balanced line/load and a tuner.

So where does a 4:1 balun become useful?  In general, any place the feed 
point of the antenna presents a 200 ohm load.  Example:   a resonant 
folded dipole that is less than 1/2 wavelength above the surface of the 
earth is typical.  In this example, a 4:1 balun at a 200 ohm load will 
present a 50 ohm load to the source.  [200/4=50]

Just remember that most tuners have their greatest loss when the load Z 
is less than 50 ohms.   Many tuners being required to match loads in the 
5 to 10 ohm range can have as much as 50% to 75% power loss.  This 
manifests into heat dissipated in the tuner components and watts of RF 
which does not get to the antenna.

  The typical use of a 4:1 balun transformer action will divide the load 
by a factor of 4.  Of course one can use a 1:4 balun, in other words, 
turn it around to gain some advantage in the impedance matching game.  
Just be sure the balun can handle the voltages involved.    This is a 
point for another long discussion.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/12/2016 10:58 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> On 1/12/2016 10:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> > If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be
> > heating thus not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat
> > and cool and change value which in turn changes tuning.
>
> Particularly if you are using a 4:1 balun!  On 40 meters the impedance
> of the half size antenna is *very low*.  The 4:1 balun will further
> decrease the impedance seen by the tuner causing it to work at its
> absolute worst efficiency (highest circulating current).
>
> At the very least see if you can extend the dipole to 44', then get
> some Smith Chart software and see if you can find a compromise
> feedline length that provides a reasonable impedance on all bands,
> and finally replace the 4:1 balun with a high quality 1:1 current
> balun.
>
> By extending the dipole you should be able to find a compromise
> feedline length that will provide a 100 - 300 Ohm impedance on
> all bands - something the tuner will be much happier to with and
> be far more efficient than working at best than 10 Ohms as it
> probably is doing on 40 meters.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 1/12/2016 10:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be 
>> heating thus not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and 
>> cool and change value which in turn changes tuning.
>>
>> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Vic,
>>>
>>> Your story does suggest trouble at very high current points. Just a 
>>> list of
>>> things below I've heard or seen to stir up a new idea or two. No 
>>> opinion on
>>> which if any makes any sense in your situation.
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>
>>> Insect nests in tubular spacers on open wire.
>>>
>>> Spacers have carbon tracks.
>>>
>>> Material inside the balun housing is much hotter than touchable 
>>> material.
>>>
>>> Stranded wire in open wire has been waterlogged, corroded and the 
>>> remaining
>>> conductor material at a current max along the line is heating up.
>>>
>>> Wire inside insulation is nearly all broken, or is broken, and 
>>> contact is
>>> miscellaneous and highly resistive.
>>>
>>> Insulation on the wire is significantly compromised by ultra violet or
>>> critter nibbling, letting in water to the stranded conductor. 
>>> Advice, has
>>> been to use bare solid #12 copper or larger for open wire that is 
>>> carrying
>>> large standing waves, to handle the current maximums.
>>>
>>> Check heat all around the entire core. I have burned up some number of
>>> cores before I understood the materials and engineering. On one all the
>>> damage was on a spot that comprised only 15 degrees of the 
>>> circumference.
>>>
>>> Electrical connections in aluminum elements made of telescoping 
>>> tubing go
>>> highly resistive as water is boiled out of the joints.
>>>
>>> Connections made of dissimilar metals/materials go bad and become more
>>> resistive as water is boiled out of the joint.
>>>
>>> Tuner rotary switches going bad.
>>>
>>> The rolling contact on on a variable coil losing its tension 
>>> (numerous ways
>>> for this to happen depending on construction), contact is very small 
>>> and
>>> becomes worse as it heats up. Fixed by repairing mechanism for 
>>> maintaining
>>> contact.
>>>
>>> Parted conductors at conductor joints due to metal erosion at the 
>>> contact
>>> point.
>>>
>>> --------
>>>
>>> Your troubles would have me taking down the dipole, rebuilding it 
>>> with all
>>> mating surfaces wire-brushed and reassembled with clear silicone 
>>> dielectric
>>> grease, completely new hardware likewise treated, with all balanced
>>> conductors replaced new, using bare solid #12 outdoors, and brand 
>>> new runs
>>> indoors. Old wire to recycling.
>>>
>>> Hope this has kicked off a new idea for you.  73 and good luck.  Guy 
>>> K2AV
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <
>>> k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm having a problem which has me stumped. I'm going to describe my
>>>> complete antenna and feed system because something in it is 
>>>> misbehaving and
>>>> I don't know what!
>>>>
>>>> My system works on all bands from 40 to 10 (or it should).
>>>>
>>>> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum 
>>>> tubing,
>>>> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 
>>>> feet of
>>>> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire
>>>> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except 
>>>> near the
>>>> antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the spacing
>>>> doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>>>>
>>>> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, 
>>>> which is
>>>> a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a 
>>>> couple of
>>>> spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet long 
>>>> connects
>>>> it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series with each 
>>>> leg which
>>>> knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune 
>>>> more
>>>> easily. Then a very short piece of window line connects to a big 
>>>> 5kW DX
>>>> Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a 
>>>> piece
>>>> of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>>>>
>>>> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>>>>
>>>> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. 
>>>> On 40,
>>>> it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple of
>>>> hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts to
>>>> climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of
>>>> destroying something.
>>>>
>>>> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I 
>>>> have in
>>>> line.
>>>>
>>>> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>>>>
>>>> - The tuner components are all cold.
>>>> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
>>>> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to 
>>>> touch the
>>>> core to tell).
>>>> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors 
>>>> and all
>>>> the connections in the shack are cold.
>>>>
>>>> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and 
>>>> voltages are
>>>> high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more 
>>>> ideas of
>>>> where to look?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From wes at triconet.org  Wed Jan 13 08:06:32 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:06:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
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Generally good info snipped:

Actually at *any* length, other than multiples of one-half wavelength, there is 
always some impedance transformation in a mismatched line.

On 1/13/2016 5:40 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
> The feed-line basically reflects the impedance of the antenna from the feed 
> point to the source.  Although at certain electrical lengths of line it can 
> serve as a 1/4 wave transformer thus transforming the antenna impedance to 
> another value, we typically find that a 1:1 current balun is better suited for 
> the application when working between a balanced line/load and a tuner.
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 13 08:19:50 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:19:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
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Vic,

Your antenna has a very low feedpoint impedance on 40 meters.  The 30 
feet of open wire line plus the 3 feet of 450 ohm is close to a quarter 
wavelength on 40 meters.  That feedline length should transform the low 
impedance of the dipole to a higher impedance, so the choice of a 4:1 
balun *should* be OK.
However, check it - measure the impedance on the coax side of the balun 
to see what its value really may be.  If the measured impedance is quite 
low, replace the balun with a 1:1 current mode choke - or add about 16 
feet (1/8 wavelength on 40 meters) to the parallel feedline and see what 
happens to the impedance.

OTOH, you indicate that the SWR changes when you drive it with power.  
That is a sign that something is breaking down in your antenna or 
feedline.  That could be a loose connection or some leakage point.  
Leakage across a spacer in your open wire line is one possibility, or 
oxidation at any junction in the antenna system.  The clamps of the 
copper wire to the aluminum dipole is one suspect area.  Dissimilar 
metals will oxidize unless preventative measures are taken.

73,
Don W3FPR

>>>> The antenna is a full-size 20m rotary dipole. It is all aluminum 
>>>> tubing,
>>>> no traps or stubs. Just a dipole. I am feeding it with about 30 
>>>> feet of
>>>> "true ladder line," which is open wire line made of #16 insulated wire
>>>> spaced about 3-1/4" with black PVC spacers every 18" or so, except 
>>>> near the
>>>> antenna and the rotor where I've added extra ones so that the spacing
>>>> doesn't change when the antenna rotates.
>>>>
>>>> The line comes into the shack and is connected to a static drain, 
>>>> which is
>>>> a box with two 10-megohm high voltage resistors to ground and a 
>>>> couple of
>>>> spark gaps. Then a piece of 450-ohm window line about 3 feet long 
>>>> connects
>>>> it to a pair of large air variable capacitors in series with each 
>>>> leg which
>>>> knock out some of the reactance on 40m to make it possible to tune 
>>>> more
>>>> easily. Then a very short piece of window line connects to a big 
>>>> 5kW DX
>>>> Engineering 4:1 balun, spec'ed for tuner service, and finally via a 
>>>> piece
>>>> of RG-213 18" long, to a T-network tuner.
>>>>
>>>> My K3 drives a TL922 amp and I have an SWR meter in line.
>>>>
>>>> Now here is my problem: it works OK on all bands except 40 meters. 
>>>> On 40,
>>>> it tunes up fine with low power, but when I run more than a couple of
>>>> hundred watts, after perhaps 10 seconds of key-down, the SWR starts to
>>>> climb. I have watched it go to 4:1 before I stop sending for fear of
>>>> destroying something.
>>>>
>>>> The SWR rises both on the meter in the tuner and the extra one I 
>>>> have in
>>>> line.
>>>>
>>>> Classic symptoms of something heating up. But what?
>>>>
>>>> - The tuner components are all cold.
>>>> - The coax to the balun and its connectors are cold.
>>>> - The balun itself is just barely perceptibly warmer (I have to 
>>>> touch the
>>>> core to tell).
>>>> - The window line, the static drain resistors, the air capacitors 
>>>> and all
>>>> the connections in the shack are cold.
>>>>
>>>> I know the SWR is astronomical on 40 meters, so currents and 
>>>> voltages are
>>>> high. But nothing in the shack seems to be heating up. Any more 
>>>> ideas of
>>>> where to look?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From k9jri at mac.com  Wed Jan 13 09:04:06 2016
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:04:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote a KAT500
Message-ID: <98C8B655-8683-4FE4-B028-B9BF2C0D92D8@mac.com>

Has anyone remotely  mounted an Elecraft KAT500 in a weatherproof enclosure?

My current antenna situation is an MFJ-994BRT fed with 100 feet of 9914F and then either a 30? length of 9913F or 450 ohm ladder line to any variety of 60 foot dipole antennas.  I would like to replace the tuner with a KAT500 but unsure of control circuits other than 12vdc power which would be provided over the 9913F coax feed line.

The radio is a KX3 driving a modified ALS-600 with 500 - 600 watts to the feed line.

Michael Blake - K9JRI




From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan 13 09:26:43 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <9E550FCE-0958-498E-941E-C3A7E0E7A369@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
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On 1/13/2016 6:07 AM, David Anderson wrote:
 > I and am purely interested in whether this method of increasing
 > average speech power within an SSB signal without production of
 > clipped overshoot could be of benefit to Elecraft radios. From the
 > detailed articles in QEX and QST it sounds to have great potential
 > and is already available by one of the other USA radio manufacturers
 > as I understand from the referenced article.

Since both the K3 and KX3 produce SSB purely by DSP - microphone
audio is digitized to I/Q streams, the streams processed numerically,
translated to an RF frequency and the I/Q streams converted back to
analog, the algorithms of CESSB should be applicable to both K3 and
KX3.

Implementing them (adding them to the DSP codes for voice modes while
maintaining traditional modulation algorithms for data modes) is a
question for Lyle and Wayne.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 13 11:09:13 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:09:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <9E550FCE-0958-498E-941E-C3A7E0E7A369@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
	<CA+33ts5QR+HfRNYsp56C6YK_o+YN+8cWPn2cvJ1uGu+1RTesMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A507D4F2-55C5-4A17-9DB1-63F45B1E4F1E@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<9E550FCE-0958-498E-941E-C3A7E0E7A369@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D0C89880-CA39-462B-87F8-BD28106F58DB@elecraft.com>

This may be possible, and we'll look into it when we get a chance.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I am still interested to know if it would be possible for Elecraft to implement CESSB (which is freely available) within the KX3 DSP modulator...

From nc3z at outlook.com  Wed Jan 13 11:36:56 2016
From: nc3z at outlook.com (NC3Z Gary)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:36:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <D0C89880-CA39-462B-87F8-BD28106F58DB@elecraft.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<9E550FCE-0958-498E-941E-C3A7E0E7A369@yahoo.co.uk>
	<D0C89880-CA39-462B-87F8-BD28106F58DB@elecraft.com>
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I would second the request to look into this if it truly improved SSB 
performance as noted in the articles.


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15


On 13-Jan-16 11:09, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> This may be possible, and we'll look into it when we get a chance.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am still interested to know if it would be possible for Elecraft to implement CESSB (which is freely available) within the KX3 DSP modulator...

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 13:23:39 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB096315029E560369E96E64B598CB0@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
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There was a discussion a while back on the Flex forum about their
implementation of CESSB in the 6000 series:
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/cessb-questions

OpenHPSDR also implemented CESSB, about a year ago.


73, Barry N1EU

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:36 AM, NC3Z Gary <nc3z at outlook.com> wrote:

> I would second the request to look into this if it truly improved SSB
> performance as noted in the articles.
>
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
>
>
> On 13-Jan-16 11:09, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > This may be possible, and we'll look into it when we get a chance.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I am still interested to know if it would be possible for Elecraft to
> implement CESSB (which is freely available) within the KX3 DSP modulator...
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Wed Jan 13 14:06:30 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:06:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <D0C89880-CA39-462B-87F8-BD28106F58DB@elecraft.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<A507D4F2-55C5-4A17-9DB1-63F45B1E4F1E@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<9E550FCE-0958-498E-941E-C3A7E0E7A369@yahoo.co.uk>
	<D0C89880-CA39-462B-87F8-BD28106F58DB@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5696A036.30305@socal.rr.com>

That would be a very interesting development, Wayne.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/13/16 8:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> This may be possible, and we'll look into it when we get a chance.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am still interested to know if it would be possible for Elecraft to implement CESSB (which is freely available) within the KX3 DSP modulator...


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Wed Jan 13 15:49:07 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:49:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote a KAT500
In-Reply-To: <98C8B655-8683-4FE4-B028-B9BF2C0D92D8@mac.com>
References: <98C8B655-8683-4FE4-B028-B9BF2C0D92D8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1452718147131-7612590.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Michael.

You bet. See ab2tc.com for a couple of pictures of my installation. I
apologize for the immaturity of the web "site". Also search this reflector
for my call sign AB2TC and you will find valuable information on how I have
it set up. My setup is not the only option; others have successfully used
internet CAT6 cable to connect both serial connection and  the AUX channel.

AB2TC - Knut



Michael Blake wrote
> Has anyone remotely  mounted an Elecraft KAT500 in a weatherproof
> enclosure?
> 
> My current antenna situation is an MFJ-994BRT fed with 100 feet of 9914F
> and then either a 30? length of 9913F or 450 ohm ladder line to any
> variety of 60 foot dipole antennas.  I would like to replace the tuner
> with a KAT500 but unsure of control circuits other than 12vdc power which
> would be provided over the 9913F coax feed line.
> 
> The radio is a KX3 driving a modified ALS-600 with 500 - 600 watts to the
> feed line.
> 
> Michael Blake - K9JRI





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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jan 13 15:52:28 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:52:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote a KAT500
In-Reply-To: <98C8B655-8683-4FE4-B028-B9BF2C0D92D8@mac.com>
References: <98C8B655-8683-4FE4-B028-B9BF2C0D92D8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5696B90C.9060605@foothill.net>

I'm interested too.  I will be running K3/KPA500 to a flag pole antenna, 
hopefully with the KAT500 at the base.  I will likely power it with a 
separate cable that will have room for control lines too.  In the 
meantime, I am back on the air, remote to W7RN.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org


On 1/13/2016 6:04 AM, Michael Blake wrote:
> Has anyone remotely  mounted an Elecraft KAT500 in a weatherproof
> enclosure?
>
> Michael Blake - K9JRI

From eckerpw at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 16:02:53 2016
From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:02:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx
References: <225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

In response to my question on the Win- Fldigi Reflector that I asked regarding waterfall adjustments and the fact that I was seeing no signals on the Fldigi Scope, Dave W1HKD? responded,--- If you?need those controls set to the maximum range and lowest absolute signal (or close to it) then you are probably starving Fldigi for Rx audio--
So my question ?concerns Dave's comment that I am "Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx.? Do other K3/ Fldigi users when operating in PSK 31 mode see any signals on the Scope view? I have tired adjusting the Rx pot on my DK II and Windows - Sounds- Recording -Levels with no change.. in Fldigi. I am able to decode signals.What settings on the K3 affect Rx audio to Fldigi?
(Setup:Win 7 PC, micoHam DKII interface.)
73 Paulkc2nyu

From ab2tc at arrl.net  Wed Jan 13 16:04:26 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:04:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote a KAT500
In-Reply-To: <1452718147131-7612590.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <98C8B655-8683-4FE4-B028-B9BF2C0D92D8@mac.com>
	<1452718147131-7612590.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1452719066761-7612593.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello again,

BTW don't use 9913 cable. It is susceptible to water ingression causing
higher loss. All the coax at my site is from Times Microwave. The
substitution for 9913 would be LMR400. There are several variations of this
cable depending on use.

AB2TC - Knut 


Hi Michael.

You bet. See ab2tc.com for a couple of pictures of my installation. I
apologize for the immaturity of the web "site". Also search this reflector
for my call sign AB2TC and you will find valuable information on how I have
it set up. My setup is not the only option; others have successfully used
internet CAT6 cable to connect both serial connection and  the AUX channel.

AB2TC - Knut



Michael Blake wrote
> Has anyone remotely  mounted an Elecraft KAT500 in a weatherproof
> enclosure?





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From k9jri at mac.com  Wed Jan 13 16:12:01 2016
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:12:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote a KAT500
In-Reply-To: <1452719066761-7612593.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <98C8B655-8683-4FE4-B028-B9BF2C0D92D8@mac.com>
	<1452718147131-7612590.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1452719066761-7612593.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B7371166-F396-4B17-B6A3-32D60656FE79@mac.com>

Thanks Knut.  The cable is actually Belden 9913F which is filled much the same as LMR-400 but has a stranded center conductor.  I will search for your articles with earnest,  It appears from the photos that you only have the PC port connected which should be easy to accomplish.

Michael Blake
k9jri at mac.com



> On Jan 13, 2016, at 4:04 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello again,
> 
> BTW don't use 9913 cable. It is susceptible to water ingression causing
> higher loss. All the coax at my site is from Times Microwave. The
> substitution for 9913 would be LMR400. There are several variations of this
> cable depending on use.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut 
> 
> 
> Hi Michael.
> 
> You bet. See ab2tc.com for a couple of pictures of my installation. I
> apologize for the immaturity of the web "site". Also search this reflector
> for my call sign AB2TC and you will find valuable information on how I have
> it set up. My setup is not the only option; others have successfully used
> internet CAT6 cable to connect both serial connection and  the AUX channel.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Blake wrote
>> Has anyone remotely  mounted an Elecraft KAT500 in a weatherproof
>> enclosure?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Remote-a-KAT500-tp7612584p7612593.html <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Remote-a-KAT500-tp7612584p7612593.html>
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From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan 13 17:54:04 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx
In-Reply-To: <225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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Are you sure you have configured fldigi to use the correct sound
device? With my K3 set to CONFIG:LINE OUT = Nor 10, microHAM
interface with the RX MAIN pot at ~ 10:00, and "Line (microHAM
CODEC)" level set to 80% in the Windows Sound Control panel
(Recording Devices) - Windows 10, there is no "starvation" (clean
square waves visible) in the fldigi "scope" view.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/13/2016 4:02 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> In response to my question on the Win- Fldigi Reflector that I asked regarding waterfall adjustments and the fact that I was seeing no signals on the Fldigi Scope, Dave W1HKD  responded,--- If you need those controls set to the maximum range and lowest absolute signal (or close to it) then you are probably starving Fldigi for Rx audio--
> So my question  concerns Dave's comment that I am "Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx.  Do other K3/ Fldigi users when operating in PSK 31 mode see any signals on the Scope view? I have tired adjusting the Rx pot on my DK II and Windows - Sounds- Recording -Levels with no change.. in Fldigi. I am able to decode signals.What settings on the K3 affect Rx audio to Fldigi?
> (Setup:Win 7 PC, micoHam DKII interface.)
> 73 Paulkc2nyu
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan 13 18:10:26 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:10:26 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx
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> 
> Be sure you have the correct audio interface selected in the FLDIGI Config menu. Devices select Port Audio and the correct values in Capture & Playback window 
> 
> Also set the FLDIGI Upper Signal level to -10 to -20 dB.  And set the FLDIGI Signal range to -60 to -90 dB. These are at the lower left of the waterfall display. 


73
Bob K4TAX



>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:02 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> In response to my question on the Win- Fldigi Reflector that I asked regarding waterfall adjustments and the fact that I was seeing no signals on the Fldigi Scope, Dave W1HKD  responded,--- If you need those controls set to the maximum range and lowest absolute signal (or close to it) then you are probably starving Fldigi for Rx audio--
>> So my question  concerns Dave's comment that I am "Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx.  Do other K3/ Fldigi users when operating in PSK 31 mode see any signals on the Scope view? I have tired adjusting the Rx pot on my DK II and Windows - Sounds- Recording -Levels with no change.. in Fldigi. I am able to decode signals.What settings on the K3 affect Rx audio to Fldigi?
>> (Setup:Win 7 PC, micoHam DKII interface.)
>> 73 Paulkc2nyu
>> 


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:25:46 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx
In-Reply-To: <225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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Paul,

Set the K3 LINE OUT level at 10, and after that the entire solution is 
in the levels for your computer soundcard.
Sorry, but I cannot predict the settings for your particular 
computer/soundcard combination.  All I can say is that Fldigi works FB 
in most instances.
Yes, Fldigi can produce both a good waterfall as well as a good text 
decode if you have the settings correct.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/13/2016 4:02 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> In response to my question on the Win- Fldigi Reflector that I asked regarding waterfall adjustments and the fact that I was seeing no signals on the Fldigi Scope, Dave W1HKD  responded,--- If you need those controls set to the maximum range and lowest absolute signal (or close to it) then you are probably starving Fldigi for Rx audio--
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan 13 20:50:53 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:50:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx
In-Reply-To: <225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<225470280.4743460.1452718973859.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5696FEFD.5060905@blomand.net>

I use FLDIGI with my K3S with excellent results.  I can provide screen 
shots of the set-up if and as needed.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S, s/n 10163

On 1/13/2016 3:02 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> In response to my question on the Win- Fldigi Reflector that I asked regarding waterfall adjustments and the fact that I was seeing no signals on the Fldigi Scope, Dave W1HKD  responded,--- If you need those controls set to the maximum range and lowest absolute signal (or close to it) then you are probably starving Fldigi for Rx audio--
> So my question  concerns Dave's comment that I am "Starving" Fldigi for audio Rx.  Do other K3/ Fldigi users when operating in PSK 31 mode see any signals on the Scope view? I have tired adjusting the Rx pot on my DK II and Windows - Sounds- Recording -Levels with no change.. in Fldigi. I am able to decode signals.What settings on the K3 affect Rx audio to Fldigi?
> (Setup:Win 7 PC, micoHam DKII interface.)
> 73 Paulkc2nyu
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From eckerpw at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 21:55:29 2016
From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:55:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Starving Fldigi for audio Rx - K3
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Message-ID: <687003071.5134707.1452740129618.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

After reading received comments, I verified my settings, they are:In Fldigi- Settings- Audio- Capture- Line(6-microHAM CODEC) ; ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Playback - Headset Earphone (6-microHAM CODEC) In the K3 - config- LIN OUT - nor 010; the microHAM DK II RX MAIN Pot is ?at 10:00; and?Windows Sound Control Panel (Recording Devices) Line (miroHAM CODEC) level is set to 80%To get what I feel is decent Waterfall pic in Fldigi, the Upper signal Level setting is at -35db and the Signal Range is set at 40db.Other observations:When I see strong traces on the WF, I see corresponding spikes on the FFT display; but all I see is a straight line with ?minor oscillation in the Sig display. No square wave forms. The Diamond indicator left the AFC button, the overload indicator, is Black most of the time but when a strong signal appears it turns green. It never flashes yellow or red.- From I read in Fldigi manual, this diamond should be green if audio dive to sound card is satisfactory, mine alternates between black and green. So is my audio input low ??- Still can't determine why I see no signals in the Sig display ??
- I have an Asus Zonar U7 external sound card plugged into a USB port on PC. ?It is used with LP-Pan2 for Win4K3 suite and NAP3. Could its presence have any effect on audio input to Fldigi
73 and Tnx?Paul?kc2nyu

From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Thu Jan 14 00:01:04 2016
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 00:01:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K3 2.7K 5-pole filter which came standard with your
	KRX3A
Message-ID: <002701d14e88$92e64ba0$b8b2e2e0$@gamewood.net>

If you upgraded your KRX3 receiver and now have an unused 2.7 kHz 5-pole
filter, I would be interested in purchasing it.  Please respond OFF-LIST
with offset and PayPal price shipped to zip 24557.  Many thanks!

 

Ken - ke4rg


From n7tb at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 02:01:54 2016
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing KX3 with computer to run HDSDR
Message-ID: <000f01d14e99$747c48c0$5d74da40$@comcast.net>

Hello,

 

I am a new owner of a KX3.  I have  been trying to figure out how to
interface the KX3 to my computer and get HDSDR to play correctly.  I see a
lot of references to Omni-Rig.  Why is that needed and what is its purpose?
I would appreciate any help I could get from someone running HDSDR and
controlling their KX3.

 

Thanks,

 

Terry, N7TB


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 14 06:49:45 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:49:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing KX3 with computer to run HDSDR
In-Reply-To: <000f01d14e99$747c48c0$5d74da40$@comcast.net>
References: <000f01d14e99$747c48c0$5d74da40$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CE996DDC-201B-40A8-B981-7E8101B3CF85@yahoo.co.uk>

Have you seen this article?


http://hdsdr.de/Elecraft-KX3_with_HDSDR.pdf


The Omni-rig allows the HDSDR to change the frequency and or mode of the KX3 and vice versa. It uses a com port to do that, so you can use the USB to serial adapted that Elecraft supply.



73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 14 Jan 2016, at 07:01, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> I am a new owner of a KX3.  I have  been trying to figure out how to
> interface the KX3 to my computer and get HDSDR to play correctly.  I see a
> lot of references to Omni-Rig.  Why is that needed and what is its purpose?
> I would appreciate any help I could get from someone running HDSDR and
> controlling their KX3.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Terry, N7TB
> 
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From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 14 09:27:39 2016
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 08:27:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13932.1452718372.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.13932.1452718372.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <201601140827.39571.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

Bob,

Are silver(ed)/dipped micas (CDE etc.) the preferred type for a tuner, or is 
there a superior newer technology available?

TNX/73, Al

On Wed January 13 2016 2:52:52 pm Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating thus
> not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change
> value which in turn changes tuning.
>
> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jan 14 09:47:30 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 08:47:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <201601140827.39571.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
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When I updated my 2 tuners, I used some doorknob style capacitors, of 
Russian source I presume,  which I purchased via E-Bay. Something like 5 
for $20.    These were 470pf units rated at 16KV.    Don't be mislead 
with the voltage rating, as it the current handling ability being the 
key for RF usage.

In most all cases one will need to provide a somewhat different mounting 
as they have screw terminals on either side and are larger physically.  
I just happen to have one in the desk drawer. Typically 1.0" dia x 0.75" 
tall with, guessing, #6 or #8 screw terminals on either side.  Could be 
Metric screws as I don't recall and can't tell without my thread gauge.

Another approach is to divide the total current  by using 3 or 4 caps in 
parallel,  if you wish to use disk ceramic caps.  Thus if your circuit 
requires 330 pf then use 3 pcs of 100 pf or 3 pcs of 120 pf in parallel 
and keep the voltage rating the same as the originals.  This way the 
total current is divided between 3 devices as opposed to one device.  
This also works.

In various transmitter updates, I have used dipped silver mica caps.  
These work well.  Just keep the voltage rating the same as the 
originals.  And it won't hurt to use 2 or 3 units parallel by taking the 
original capacity value and dividing it  by 2 or 3 for the pf value.    
This approach was used in restoration of some of my old boat anchor AM 
transmitters.  These caps are more stable, meaning less tuning drift, 
thus work much better than the original disk ceramics units.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/14/2016 8:27 AM, Al Gulseth wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Are silver(ed)/dipped micas (CDE etc.) the preferred type for a tuner, or is
> there a superior newer technology available?
>
> TNX/73, Al
>
> On Wed January 13 2016 2:52:52 pm Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating thus
>> not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change
>> value which in turn changes tuning.
>>
>> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>



From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 10:38:05 2016
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=s2qNjmsrAJMTbEE5z01wM4sOOvs5y92zy4F3FxyKVrKQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sale Elecraft K3 100 watt version in excellent condition, no scratches,
from a smoke free home, serial number 5429. Has optional KXV3A Interface
(Rx Antenna ports, Transverter Ports and IF Out) and the stock 2.7 filter.
Comes with manuals and power cord. $1900 shipped in CONUS. Payment by money
order, Cashiers Check or cash, no Paypal.
Contact me at: n9vx dot joe at gmail.com

73,

Joe  N9VX

From k1whs at metrocast.net  Thu Jan 14 10:44:04 2016
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:44:04 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
References: <mailman.13932.1452718372.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><201601140827.39571.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
	<5697B502.1060602@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CEEC56BACB454627B6935122647DF8FA@t30ce0d73e1b34>

I bought a bunch of those Russian TX caps. Mine were 680 pf and looked like 
the 7.5 KV Centralab ceramic TX caps with threaded holes on each end. I put 
two in parallel and used them for the plate blocking capacitor in a 160 
meter KW triode amplifier. Big mistake. They cannot handle much current at 
all. When I keyed the amp, I saw the power output drop very fast. Those caps 
got very hot and failed miserably. I complained to the eBay seller and he 
advised that they were only for use as bypass caps and should not be used 
directly in the TX line. (Silly me!) Their heating cycle reminded me of what 
happened with Vic's antenna system of late.
    I still have them. They might make good target practice subjects. Buyer 
beware.

K1WHS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
To: <wb5jnc at centurytel.net>; <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT antenna question


> When I updated my 2 tuners, I used some doorknob style capacitors, of 
> Russian source I presume,  which I purchased via E-Bay. Something like 5 
> for $20.    These were 470pf units rated at 16KV.    Don't be mislead with 
> the voltage rating, as it the current handling ability being the key for 
> RF usage.
>
> In most all cases one will need to provide a somewhat different mounting 
> as they have screw terminals on either side and are larger physically.  I 
> just happen to have one in the desk drawer. Typically 1.0" dia x 0.75" 
> tall with, guessing, #6 or #8 screw terminals on either side.  Could be 
> Metric screws as I don't recall and can't tell without my thread gauge.
>
> Another approach is to divide the total current  by using 3 or 4 caps in 
> parallel,  if you wish to use disk ceramic caps.  Thus if your circuit 
> requires 330 pf then use 3 pcs of 100 pf or 3 pcs of 120 pf in parallel 
> and keep the voltage rating the same as the originals.  This way the total 
> current is divided between 3 devices as opposed to one device.  This also 
> works.
>
> In various transmitter updates, I have used dipped silver mica caps. 
> These work well.  Just keep the voltage rating the same as the originals. 
> And it won't hurt to use 2 or 3 units parallel by taking the original 
> capacity value and dividing it  by 2 or 3 for the pf value.    This 
> approach was used in restoration of some of my old boat anchor AM 
> transmitters.  These caps are more stable, meaning less tuning drift, thus 
> work much better than the original disk ceramics units.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2016 8:27 AM, Al Gulseth wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Are silver(ed)/dipped micas (CDE etc.) the preferred type for a tuner, or 
>> is
>> there a superior newer technology available?
>>
>> TNX/73, Al
>>
>> On Wed January 13 2016 2:52:52 pm Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating 
>>> thus
>>> not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change
>>> value which in turn changes tuning.
>>>
>>> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 14 10:55:45 2016
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 09:55:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <CEEC56BACB454627B6935122647DF8FA@t30ce0d73e1b34>
References: <mailman.13932.1452718372.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<5697B502.1060602@blomand.net>
	<CEEC56BACB454627B6935122647DF8FA@t30ce0d73e1b34>
Message-ID: <201601140955.46261.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

I should clarify that I was thinking in terms of ~ 100W. There's always the 
old standby of Jennings vacuum variables for QRO use....

73, Al

On Thu January 14 2016 9:44:04 am Dave Olean wrote:
> I bought a bunch of those Russian TX caps. Mine were 680 pf and looked like
> the 7.5 KV Centralab ceramic TX caps with threaded holes on each end. I put
> two in parallel and used them for the plate blocking capacitor in a 160
> meter KW triode amplifier. Big mistake. They cannot handle much current at
> all. When I keyed the amp, I saw the power output drop very fast. Those
> caps got very hot and failed miserably. I complained to the eBay seller and
> he advised that they were only for use as bypass caps and should not be
> used directly in the TX line. (Silly me!) Their heating cycle reminded me
> of what happened with Vic's antenna system of late.
>     I still have them. They might make good target practice subjects. Buyer
> beware.
>
> K1WHS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: <wb5jnc at centurytel.net>; <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
>
> > When I updated my 2 tuners, I used some doorknob style capacitors, of
> > Russian source I presume,  which I purchased via E-Bay. Something like 5
> > for $20.    These were 470pf units rated at 16KV.    Don't be mislead
> > with the voltage rating, as it the current handling ability being the key
> > for RF usage.
> >
> > In most all cases one will need to provide a somewhat different mounting
> > as they have screw terminals on either side and are larger physically.  I
> > just happen to have one in the desk drawer. Typically 1.0" dia x 0.75"
> > tall with, guessing, #6 or #8 screw terminals on either side.  Could be
> > Metric screws as I don't recall and can't tell without my thread gauge.
> >
> > Another approach is to divide the total current  by using 3 or 4 caps in
> > parallel,  if you wish to use disk ceramic caps.  Thus if your circuit
> > requires 330 pf then use 3 pcs of 100 pf or 3 pcs of 120 pf in parallel
> > and keep the voltage rating the same as the originals.  This way the
> > total current is divided between 3 devices as opposed to one device. 
> > This also works.
> >
> > In various transmitter updates, I have used dipped silver mica caps.
> > These work well.  Just keep the voltage rating the same as the originals.
> > And it won't hurt to use 2 or 3 units parallel by taking the original
> > capacity value and dividing it  by 2 or 3 for the pf value.    This
> > approach was used in restoration of some of my old boat anchor AM
> > transmitters.  These caps are more stable, meaning less tuning drift,
> > thus work much better than the original disk ceramics units.
> >
> > 73
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> > On 1/14/2016 8:27 AM, Al Gulseth wrote:
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> Are silver(ed)/dipped micas (CDE etc.) the preferred type for a tuner,
> >> or is
> >> there a superior newer technology available?
> >>
> >> TNX/73, Al
> >>
> >> On Wed January 13 2016 2:52:52 pm Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> >>> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating
> >>> thus
> >>> not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change
> >>> value which in turn changes tuning.
> >>>
> >>> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
> >>>
> >>> Bob, K4TAX
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jan 14 10:56:54 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 09:56:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <CEEC56BACB454627B6935122647DF8FA@t30ce0d73e1b34>
References: <mailman.13932.1452718372.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<201601140827.39571.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
	<5697B502.1060602@blomand.net>
	<CEEC56BACB454627B6935122647DF8FA@t30ce0d73e1b34>
Message-ID: <5697C546.4030908@blomand.net>

First I'd say 680 pf , two parallel, is not at all adequate for a 160M 
KW amp.  More like 4 would be expected for about 2800 pf total required 
for 160M  depending on plate Z.      Also with 3200 volts or so, again 
depending on the plate Z, 7.5 KV again is not much margin of safety.    
Ep x 4 is about right.

Just my comments and data from a Pi L calculator.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/14/2016 9:44 AM, Dave Olean wrote:
> I bought a bunch of those Russian TX caps. Mine were 680 pf and looked 
> like the 7.5 KV Centralab ceramic TX caps with threaded holes on each 
> end. I put two in parallel and used them for the plate blocking 
> capacitor in a 160 meter KW triode amplifier. Big mistake. They cannot 
> handle much current at all. When I keyed the amp, I saw the power 
> output drop very fast. Those caps got very hot and failed miserably. I 
> complained to the eBay seller and he advised that they were only for 
> use as bypass caps and should not be used directly in the TX line. 
> (Silly me!) Their heating cycle reminded me of what happened with 
> Vic's antenna system of late.
>    I still have them. They might make good target practice subjects. 
> Buyer beware.
>
> K1WHS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" 
> <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: <wb5jnc at centurytel.net>; <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
>
>
>> When I updated my 2 tuners, I used some doorknob style capacitors, of 
>> Russian source I presume,  which I purchased via E-Bay. Something 
>> like 5 for $20.    These were 470pf units rated at 16KV.    Don't be 
>> mislead with the voltage rating, as it the current handling ability 
>> being the key for RF usage.
>>
>> In most all cases one will need to provide a somewhat different 
>> mounting as they have screw terminals on either side and are larger 
>> physically.  I just happen to have one in the desk drawer. Typically 
>> 1.0" dia x 0.75" tall with, guessing, #6 or #8 screw terminals on 
>> either side.  Could be Metric screws as I don't recall and can't tell 
>> without my thread gauge.
>>
>> Another approach is to divide the total current  by using 3 or 4 caps 
>> in parallel,  if you wish to use disk ceramic caps.  Thus if your 
>> circuit requires 330 pf then use 3 pcs of 100 pf or 3 pcs of 120 pf 
>> in parallel and keep the voltage rating the same as the originals.  
>> This way the total current is divided between 3 devices as opposed to 
>> one device.  This also works.
>>
>> In various transmitter updates, I have used dipped silver mica caps. 
>> These work well.  Just keep the voltage rating the same as the 
>> originals. And it won't hurt to use 2 or 3 units parallel by taking 
>> the original capacity value and dividing it  by 2 or 3 for the pf 
>> value.    This approach was used in restoration of some of my old 
>> boat anchor AM transmitters.  These caps are more stable, meaning 
>> less tuning drift, thus work much better than the original disk 
>> ceramics units.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/2016 8:27 AM, Al Gulseth wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Are silver(ed)/dipped micas (CDE etc.) the preferred type for a 
>>> tuner, or is
>>> there a superior newer technology available?
>>>
>>> TNX/73, Al
>>>
>>> On Wed January 13 2016 2:52:52 pm Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>>> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be 
>>>> heating thus
>>>> not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and 
>>>> change
>>>> value which in turn changes tuning.
>>>>
>>>> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>>>>
>>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>
>>
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From n5ge at n5ge.com  Thu Jan 14 11:48:18 2016
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:48:18 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
Message-ID: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>

Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
ARS N5GE


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jan 14 11:56:05 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:56:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5697D325.2030706@blomand.net>

Depending on the radio they are using, some are really nasty!

And with some that seem to run their radio in QSK mode, but without a 
QSK qualified amp, that makes things worse as they are likely arcing and 
sparking the relays.  Nothing like a good old spark gap transmitter to 
eat up lots of bandwidth.

73
Bob, K4TAX





On 1/14/2016 10:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
> ARS N5GE
>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 12:24:31 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:24:31 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697D325.2030706@blomand.net>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<5697D325.2030706@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <5697D9CF.3020809@gmail.com>

My guess is that they are that bad.
Luckily, the ones that are hot-switching their relays won't be on the 
air for too long. At least, not with high power.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 14 Jan 2016 18:56, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Depending on the radio they are using, some are really nasty!
>
> And with some that seem to run their radio in QSK mode, but without a
> QSK qualified amp, that makes things worse as they are likely arcing and
> sparking the relays.  Nothing like a good old spark gap transmitter to
> eat up lots of bandwidth.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2016 10:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
>> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
>> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
>> ARS N5GE
>>
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From n5ge at n5ge.com  Thu Jan 14 12:25:07 2016
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:25:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697D325.2030706@blomand.net>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<5697D325.2030706@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <74mf9b57g5co5a2v2lmfsagq10k2dcnp3i@4ax.com>

Below...


On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:56:05 -0600, you wrote:

>Depending on the radio they are using, some are really nasty!
>

>And with some that seem to run their radio in QSK mode, but without a 
>QSK qualified amp, that makes things worse as they are likely arcing and 
>sparking the relays.  Nothing like a good old spark gap transmitter to 
>eat up lots of bandwidth.

Yes, I watched one yesterday in a pile-up and I could could hear the
sparking.  The signal was about a kHz or more wide.


From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 12:26:31 2016
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 09:26:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697D9CF.3020809@gmail.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<5697D325.2030706@blomand.net> <5697D9CF.3020809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5697DA47.1060104@gmail.com>

I've noticed that it is directly proportional to the signal strength, 
but some ARE that wide (one brand in particular is more offensive).

Rick nhc


On 1/14/2016 9:24 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> My guess is that they are that bad.
> Luckily, the ones that are hot-switching their relays won't be on the 
> air for too long. At least, not with high power.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 14 Jan 2016 18:56, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Depending on the radio they are using, some are really nasty!
>>
>> And with some that seem to run their radio in QSK mode, but without a
>> QSK qualified amp, that makes things worse as they are likely arcing and
>> sparking the relays.  Nothing like a good old spark gap transmitter to
>> eat up lots of bandwidth.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/2016 10:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
>>> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
>>> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
>>> ARS N5GE
>>>
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Thu Jan 14 12:34:36 2016
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (Scott Ellington)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:34:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697DA47.1060104@gmail.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<5697D325.2030706@blomand.net> <5697D9CF.3020809@gmail.com>
	<5697DA47.1060104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5697DC2C.90505@sdellington.us>

The old FT-1000D is notorious.  (I have one.)  I'm not sure about the 
MP.  There's a mod, which helps, but it's still wide.  It's a big reason 
I bought a K3.

-- 
Scott Ellington  K9MA
Madison, Wisconsin, USA



On 1/14/2016 11:26, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
> I've noticed that it is directly proportional to the signal strength, 
> but some ARE that wide (one brand in particular is more offensive).
>
> Rick nhc
>
>
> On 1/14/2016 9:24 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>> My guess is that they are that bad.
>> Luckily, the ones that are hot-switching their relays won't be on the 
>> air for too long. At least, not with high power.
>>
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>
>> On 14 Jan 2016 18:56, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> Depending on the radio they are using, some are really nasty!
>>>
>>> And with some that seem to run their radio in QSK mode, but without a
>>> QSK qualified amp, that makes things worse as they are likely arcing 
>>> and
>>> sparking the relays.  Nothing like a good old spark gap transmitter to
>>> eat up lots of bandwidth.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/14/2016 10:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
>>>> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
>>>> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
>>>> ARS N5GE
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>





From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 12:39:55 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:39:55 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question -- solved, soon to be fixed
Message-ID: <5697DD6B.3040701@gmail.com>

I would like to thank the numerous hams who responded to my plea for help.

The problem that was causing my SWR to rise with high power was not in 
my shack. The tuner, balun, coax and open wire line were all 100%. The 
trouble was at the connection of the feedline to the antenna.

The connection was made where stainless steel bolts passed through the 
tubing. The bolts heated up rapidly when running over 500w. At first I 
thought the connection was poor, but improving it did not help. From the 
way it was heating (away from the point of contact of the lugs to the 
antenna tubing) I think that it was due to the ferrous material 
(stainless steel) of the bolts heating due to eddy currents in the 
strong RF field.

I have experienced this phenomenon in amplifiers, but never an antenna!

I will change the method of connecting the line on Sunday and I hope it 
will solve the problem.
-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 12:55:33 2016
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 22:55:33 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
References: <mailman.13932.1452718372.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><201601140827.39571.wb5jnc@centurytel.net><5697B502.1060602@blomand.net><CEEC56BACB454627B6935122647DF8FA@t30ce0d73e1b34>
	<5697C546.4030908@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1C6D2073B6D14B4F8603601A48B58FEA@cdcmobile>

I wish to second Bob and also add that Russian TX capacitors are usually 
labled not only with max voltage but also with max power they can handle. In 
Russian that is printed as XX KBAP which stands for Kili Volt Amp Reactive 
power. And XX is the number.

73, Igor UA9CDC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
To: "Dave Olean" <k1whs at metrocast.net>; <wb5jnc at centurytel.net>; 
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT antenna question


> First I'd say 680 pf , two parallel, is not at all adequate for a 160M KW 
> amp.  More like 4 would be expected for about 2800 pf total required for 
> 160M  depending on plate Z.      Also with 3200 volts or so, again 
> depending on the plate Z, 7.5 KV again is not much margin of safety.    Ep 
> x 4 is about right.
>
> Just my comments and data from a Pi L calculator.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2016 9:44 AM, Dave Olean wrote:
>> I bought a bunch of those Russian TX caps. Mine were 680 pf and looked 
>> like the 7.5 KV Centralab ceramic TX caps with threaded holes on each 
>> end. I put two in parallel and used them for the plate blocking capacitor 
>> in a 160 meter KW triode amplifier. Big mistake. They cannot handle much 
>> current at all. When I keyed the amp, I saw the power output drop very 
>> fast. Those caps got very hot and failed miserably. I complained to the 
>> eBay seller and he advised that they were only for use as bypass caps and 
>> should not be used directly in the TX line. (Silly me!) Their heating 
>> cycle reminded me of what happened with Vic's antenna system of late.
>>    I still have them. They might make good target practice subjects. 
>> Buyer beware.
>>
>> K1WHS
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" 
>> <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>> To: <wb5jnc at centurytel.net>; <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
>>
>>
>>> When I updated my 2 tuners, I used some doorknob style capacitors, of 
>>> Russian source I presume,  which I purchased via E-Bay. Something like 5 
>>> for $20.    These were 470pf units rated at 16KV.    Don't be mislead 
>>> with the voltage rating, as it the current handling ability being the 
>>> key for RF usage.
>>>
>>> In most all cases one will need to provide a somewhat different mounting 
>>> as they have screw terminals on either side and are larger physically. 
>>> I just happen to have one in the desk drawer. Typically 1.0" dia x 0.75" 
>>> tall with, guessing, #6 or #8 screw terminals on either side.  Could be 
>>> Metric screws as I don't recall and can't tell without my thread gauge.
>>>
>>> Another approach is to divide the total current  by using 3 or 4 caps in 
>>> parallel,  if you wish to use disk ceramic caps.  Thus if your circuit 
>>> requires 330 pf then use 3 pcs of 100 pf or 3 pcs of 120 pf in parallel 
>>> and keep the voltage rating the same as the originals.  This way the 
>>> total current is divided between 3 devices as opposed to one device. 
>>> This also works.
>>>
>>> In various transmitter updates, I have used dipped silver mica caps. 
>>> These work well.  Just keep the voltage rating the same as the 
>>> originals. And it won't hurt to use 2 or 3 units parallel by taking the 
>>> original capacity value and dividing it  by 2 or 3 for the pf value. 
>>> This approach was used in restoration of some of my old boat anchor AM 
>>> transmitters.  These caps are more stable, meaning less tuning drift, 
>>> thus work much better than the original disk ceramics units.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/14/2016 8:27 AM, Al Gulseth wrote:
>>>> Bob,
>>>>
>>>> Are silver(ed)/dipped micas (CDE etc.) the preferred type for a tuner, 
>>>> or is
>>>> there a superior newer technology available?
>>>>
>>>> TNX/73, Al
>>>>
>>>> On Wed January 13 2016 2:52:52 pm Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>>>> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be heating 
>>>>> thus
>>>>> not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and 
>>>>> change
>>>>> value which in turn changes tuning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 14 13:17:09 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:17:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5697E625.1030702@foothill.net>

I think your P3 is OK.  I believe they are, for the most part, really 
wide.  Since I've been operating remote to W7RN with a very high 
coefficient of airborne aluminum, I've discovered that the better the 
antenna, the high the Key-Click volume on the band.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/14/2016 8:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
> ARS N5GE
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:25:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: important message
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From shadle at katzenfisch.com  Thu Jan 14 13:28:19 2016
From: shadle at katzenfisch.com (John Shadle)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:28:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: K3/100 + new synth + ATU
Message-ID: <CAB3n5HLuu40LAv6rfrRTqi3X9cnb0mvOL==KNw3v7-9qkSwFZg@mail.gmail.com>

Had a couple of bites, but nothing firm yet.

K3
- 2.7 kHz 5-pole SSB/CW filter
- 100W PA (KPA3)
- 100W ATU (KAT3)
- KXV3A - transverter/receive antenna interface
- KSYN3A upgrade (new synth which is shipped with all K3S radios)

Mods have been completed to bring this up to spec. S/N 110. Non-smoking
environment, and always used as a base station -- not mobile.

Priced to move at $2150 including shipping to your QTH (lower 48 only). $50
discount for local (Madison, WI) pick-up. New K3S rigs with these features
are $3000 + shipping (!). Let's make a deal!

Prefer USPS Money Order or bank cheque. Personal checks will be held for 10
business days after deposit to clear.

Photos available at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadle/albums/72157663125687982

73
-john NE4U

From htodd at twofifty.com  Thu Jan 14 13:36:11 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:36:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697D9CF.3020809@gmail.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<5697D325.2030706@blomand.net> <5697D9CF.3020809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1601141023220.1772@chris.i8u.org>

I think that can generate x-ray bursts as well.

On Thu, 14 Jan 2016, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:

> My guess is that they are that bad.
> Luckily, the ones that are hot-switching their relays won't be on the air for 
> too long. At least, not with high power.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 14 Jan 2016 18:56, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Depending on the radio they are using, some are really nasty!
>> 
>> And with some that seem to run their radio in QSK mode, but without a
>> QSK qualified amp, that makes things worse as they are likely arcing and
>> sparking the relays.  Nothing like a good old spark gap transmitter to
>> eat up lots of bandwidth.
>> 
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/14/2016 10:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
>>> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
>>> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
>>> ARS N5GE
-- 
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From wes at triconet.org  Thu Jan 14 13:39:25 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:39:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <BA0CA7B9-7D7A-4190-8FCC-11514B704CCE@triconet.org>

They're rotten. Nothing new tho.  

http://www.arrl.org/news/the-old-man-rotten-damped-spark-stuff



On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <n5ge at n5ge.com> wrote:

> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
> ARS N5GE
> 
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From wes at triconet.org  Thu Jan 14 13:44:00 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <32E8DF1A-E562-48FA-AF58-087A22EC570F@triconet.org>

I've also been chasing NPOTA stations, most of whom are on 20 SSB. It is hard to believe until you hear one but there are fools running 12 KHz wide AM there. 

On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <n5ge at n5ge.com> wrote:

> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
> ARS N5GE
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 14 13:42:58 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:42:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697E625.1030702@foothill.net>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<5697E625.1030702@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <5697EC32.9090202@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/14/2016 10:17 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> I think your P3 is OK.  I believe they are, for the most part, really 
> wide. 

Yes and no. We must learn to understand the P3 display. It reads the 
voltage at the antenna input vs frequency. A stronger signal produces 
more voltage at every frequency at which it generates sidebands. What 
tells us bandwidth is the DIFFERENCE between the peak of the waveform 
and the sidebands, and to get a good read on that, we need to put the P3 
in PEAK mode. The problem is that it's tough to do that in a pileup, 
because all the other signals are contributing to what the P3 sees in 
the sidebands.

Yes, some of those signals ARE wide, some are VERY wide. Many DXers only 
get on the air for DXpeditions to rare ones, many are OTs with OT rigs. 
:) There's one of these (but a contester, not a DXer) about 2 miles down 
the road from me. He only works SSB DX contests, and he wipes out the 
entire band with the trash from his rig. The good news is that he has an 
alternate QTH 20 miles down the coast, and since I moved in ten years 
ago, he now contests from there. :)

73, Jim K9YC

From n1al at sonic.net  Thu Jan 14 13:44:48 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:44:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question
In-Reply-To: <5697B502.1060602@blomand.net>
References: <mailman.13932.1452718372.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<201601140827.39571.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
	<5697B502.1060602@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <5697ECA0.1090501@sonic.net>

This is good advice.  Ceramic capacitors can have very low loss - it 
depends on the dielectric used.  Smaller value NPO (zero temperature 
coefficient) types tend to have the lowest loss.  Large value X7R, Z5U, 
etc. types have very high loss and are generally unsuitable for any 
high-current RF application.

The type of doorknob ceramic caps that you can find in old tube-type TV 
sets are the high-loss type.  OK for bypass capacitors but not for a tuner.

Using several capacitors in parallel to split the current is a good 
idea.  It also reduces the stray inductance.

Alan N1AL


On 01/14/2016 06:47 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> When I updated my 2 tuners, I used some doorknob style capacitors, of
> Russian source I presume,  which I purchased via E-Bay. Something like 5
> for $20.    These were 470pf units rated at 16KV.    Don't be mislead
> with the voltage rating, as it the current handling ability being the
> key for RF usage.
>
> In most all cases one will need to provide a somewhat different mounting
> as they have screw terminals on either side and are larger physically. I
> just happen to have one in the desk drawer. Typically 1.0" dia x 0.75"
> tall with, guessing, #6 or #8 screw terminals on either side.  Could be
> Metric screws as I don't recall and can't tell without my thread gauge.
>
> Another approach is to divide the total current  by using 3 or 4 caps in
> parallel,  if you wish to use disk ceramic caps.  Thus if your circuit
> requires 330 pf then use 3 pcs of 100 pf or 3 pcs of 120 pf in parallel
> and keep the voltage rating the same as the originals.  This way the
> total current is divided between 3 devices as opposed to one device.
> This also works.
>
> In various transmitter updates, I have used dipped silver mica caps.
> These work well.  Just keep the voltage rating the same as the
> originals.  And it won't hurt to use 2 or 3 units parallel by taking the
> original capacity value and dividing it  by 2 or 3 for the pf value.
> This approach was used in restoration of some of my old boat anchor AM
> transmitters.  These caps are more stable, meaning less tuning drift,
> thus work much better than the original disk ceramics units.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2016 8:27 AM, Al Gulseth wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Are silver(ed)/dipped micas (CDE etc.) the preferred type for a tuner,
>> or is
>> there a superior newer technology available?
>>
>> TNX/73, Al
>>
>> On Wed January 13 2016 2:52:52 pm Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> If your tuner uses disk ceramic caps, as many do, these can be
>>> heating thus
>>> not being able to handle the RF current.  They heat and cool and change
>>> value which in turn changes tuning.
>>>
>>> Replacing them with suitable RF current rated units is the solution.
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>
>
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From lew at n6lew.us  Thu Jan 14 14:00:45 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:00:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question -- solved, soon to be fixed
In-Reply-To: <5697DD6B.3040701@gmail.com>
References: <5697DD6B.3040701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAB40BF4-4E98-4055-90B5-E79D718F8669@n6lew.us>

I meant to reply to this query earlier,  but got sidetracked.  What I was going to suggest was that you look at the interfaces between stainless steel and aluminum.  They are potentially problematic, because SS and aluminum have very different galvanic potentials, and ?in the presence of an electrolyte? create a battery with a significant corrosion-causing voltage.  This will cause serious galvanic corrosion of the aluminum.

More specifically, the aluminum alloys most often used for antennas have a galvanic potential of -0.8 volt to -1.0 volt.  Depending on the stainless steel alloy employed, it can have a galvanic potential of about -0.05 volt to -0.25 volt, which means a voltage differential of anywhere from 0.6 volt to 1.0 volt. If there is moisture in the air (which means most places in the world), it will create an electrolyte, and corrosion will commence. 

I have always been amazed that the standard practice in antenna building, both commercial and home brew, has been to use aluminum tubing and stainless steel fittings. That is, in my mind,  a recipe for disaster.

How to eliminate galvanic corrosion?  

1. Use aluminum bolts, nuts and fittings with aluminum tubing.
2. Use cadmium-plated or zinc-coated fittings with aluminum tubing.
3. Use stainless steel fittings with stainless steel tubing.
4. Use brass or copper fittings with brass or copper tubing
5. Use soldered copper joints.
6. Protect interfaces between dissimilar metals so that no moisture can ever get into the metal joint. 

There are other approaches that provide low galvanic potential difference, but the above are tested and useful.

Lew N6LEW


> On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would like to thank the numerous hams who responded to my plea for help.
> 
> The problem that was causing my SWR to rise with high power was not in my shack. The tuner, balun, coax and open wire line were all 100%. The trouble was at the connection of the feedline to the antenna.
> 
> The connection was made where stainless steel bolts passed through the tubing. The bolts heated up rapidly when running over 500w. At first I thought the connection was poor, but improving it did not help. From the way it was heating (away from the point of contact of the lugs to the antenna tubing) I think that it was due to the ferrous material (stainless steel) of the bolts heating due to eddy currents in the strong RF field.
> 
> I have experienced this phenomenon in amplifiers, but never an antenna!
> 
> I will change the method of connecting the line on Sunday and I hope it will solve the problem.
> -- 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.






From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:16:08 2016
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:16:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=s2qNjmsrAJMTbEE5z01wM4sOOvs5y92zy4F3FxyKVrKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s2qNjmsrAJMTbEE5z01wM4sOOvs5y92zy4F3FxyKVrKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=tWf5cUr+=rg2_1Z3-zhL1uNS7htFsOfpUtxP0_t1eXPw@mail.gmail.com>

The K3 has been sold pending funds.

Joe  N9VX

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> For sale Elecraft K3 100 watt version in excellent condition, no
> scratches, from a smoke free home, serial number 5429. Has optional KXV3A
> Interface (Rx Antenna ports, Transverter Ports and IF Out) and the stock
> 2.7 filter. Comes with manuals and power cord. $1900 shipped in CONUS.
> Payment by money order, Cashiers Check or cash, no Paypal.
> Contact me at: n9vx dot joe at gmail.com
>
> 73,
>
> Joe  N9VX
>

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:18:59 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:18:59 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question -- solved, soon to be fixed
In-Reply-To: <39988721.5088188.1452795282191.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5697DD6B.3040701@gmail.com>
	<39988721.5088188.1452795282191.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5697F4A3.8000201@gmail.com>

I asked my XYL to press the key and watch the SWR meter, and to let go 
when it hit 3:1. Then she ran out and waved to me on the roof, at which 
point I went up the ladder and felt the bolts. Very high tech.

If I'm right that it's the bolt material, just changing to brass bolts 
should work.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 14 Jan 2016 20:14, ac5p at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Nice work Vic!  Let us know how you determined the stainless screws to
> be heating?  Do you have an IR sensing gun with a tight pattern?
> Also be curious to hear how you plan to change the connection method and
> if successful?  All I can think of is a stainless hose clamp.
>
> 73, Mike  AC5P
>
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:40 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
> <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would like to thank the numerous hams who responded to my plea for help.
>
> The problem that was causing my SWR to rise with high power was not in
> my shack. The tuner, balun, coax and open wire line were all 100%. The
> trouble was at the connection of the feedline to the antenna.
>
> The connection was made where stainless steel bolts passed through the
> tubing. The bolts heated up rapidly when running over 500w. At first I
> thought the connection was poor, but improving it did not help. From the
> way it was heating (away from the point of contact of the lugs to the
> antenna tubing) I think that it was due to the ferrous material
> (stainless steel) of the bolts heating due to eddy currents in the
> strong RF field.
>
> I have experienced this phenomenon in amplifiers, but never an antenna!
>
> I will change the method of connecting the line on Sunday and I hope it
> will solve the problem.
> --
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 14 14:30:35 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:30:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT antenna question -- solved, soon to be fixed
In-Reply-To: <5697DD6B.3040701@gmail.com>
References: <5697DD6B.3040701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5697F75B.50007@montac.com>

Interesting.  My SWAG was the obvious transmission line/feed point
impedance mismatch, but I would have never thought about the fasteners
being the issue.
I'll be reading up on eddy currents now and how they apply to impedance.
Is it possible that it's not actually the ferrous materials and the eddy
currents generated, but the mating of dissimilar metal conductors
separated by a thin layer of aluminum or other oxide setting up some
level of capacitance, and/or some additional inductance added by the
stainless fastener and feed-line attachment (a 1-turn inductor?)?

All that put together in some freak fashion would lead me to believe a
small L-C network was created that may have caused a transmission line
to antenna impedance mismatch uncorrectable at the station... indeed,
under-reported in the SWR readings.

Just a huge guess and just curious.  Adding this to my "file drawer" of
troubleshooting ideas, but I'd like to understand the science.

Of course, it could be simpler...  simply multiple interfaces of
sufficiently incompatible metals that it sets up galvanic corrosion in
multiple layers.

> ...The trouble was at the connection of the feedline to the antenna.
> (...) I think that it was due to the ferrous material (stainless
> steel) of the bolts heating due to eddy currents in the strong RF field.
>
> I will change the method of connecting the line on Sunday and I hope
> it will solve the problem.

Assuming the root cause is galvanic corrosion (and potential
introduction of capacitance and/or inductance), I would surmise the
solution to be setting up a connection where no two incompatible metals
are touching.
Something like a bi-metal connector kinda like the one on this page
(only correctly sized):  http://www.utilex.com/bi-metallic_connector.htm

If I'm way, way off base, please educate me.  I'm on this list to learn.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery
(testing 02/20/16)


From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 14 14:55:35 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:55:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the center
	point
In-Reply-To: <SNT152-W61E1DCEA2D2E65365579D9FAC80@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT152-W61E1DCEA2D2E65365579D9FAC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5697FD37.6030203@elecraft.com>

Hi Kevin,

Try removing each end of the IQ cable between the KX3 and PX3 and firmly 
re-inserting it. What you are seeing usually is the result of one end not being 
fully inserted in the jack, leaving one of the IQ lines open.

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/10/2016 4:42 AM, kevino z wrote:
> Not sure if it was the loading of the new KX3 firmware, or if I changed some settings, but now on my PX3 panadapter, I see everything symmetrically mirrored around the center. So for example, If there is a signal at Center frequency -50kHz, it appears at +50kHz too. As I move the VFO, the signals eventually converge and pass through the middle on their way to the ends of the display.Anyone have any idea how to fix this, or what I did to get in this mess?thank you -Kevin (KK4YEL) 		 	   		
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:58:28 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 05:58:28 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <32E8DF1A-E562-48FA-AF58-087A22EC570F@triconet.org>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<32E8DF1A-E562-48FA-AF58-087A22EC570F@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <5697fde8.101f620a.169f.7351@mx.google.com>

As do many, I love looking at old gear and I marvel at the engineering skills of those who came before us youngsters, however, to use them on 20M in todays' conditions is nothing short of shameful.
15Khz wide, scratchy hard to listen to audio simply adds to the QRM and uses unnecessary bandwidth is not something I want to see/hear on the bands.
I wish these old museum pieces were placed in a museum instead.
Obviously saying anything less than glowing comments on the operators signal is greeted with scornful remarks.
I bought my K3 to get a tight, clean signal, most however it seems buy 'eye candy' over specs.
Just my devalued 2 cents worth.
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Wes" <wes at triconet.org>
Sent: ?15/?01/?2016 4:43 AM
To: "n5ge at n5ge.com" <n5ge at n5ge.com>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals

I've also been chasing NPOTA stations, most of whom are on 20 SSB. It is hard to believe until you hear one but there are fools running 12 KHz wide AM there. 

On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <n5ge at n5ge.com> wrote:

> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
> ARS N5GE
> 
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 14 15:08:06 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:08:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697fde8.101f620a.169f.7351@mx.google.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<32E8DF1A-E562-48FA-AF58-087A22EC570F@triconet.org>
	<5697fde8.101f620a.169f.7351@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <56980026.5080508@elecraft.com>

In the interest of reducing list overload, lets end this thread at this time. 
Lots of good replies already and a ton of traffic.

73,

Eric
List modulator
/elecraft.com/


From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 14 15:16:41 2016
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:16:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] - symmetrical reflections about the center
	point
In-Reply-To: <5697FD37.6030203@elecraft.com>
References: <SNT152-W61E1DCEA2D2E65365579D9FAC80@phx.gbl>
	<5697FD37.6030203@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS1415111DE0FC00111011567FACC0@phx.gbl>

Thank you - that did it 

-----
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

> On Jan 14, 2016, at 14:55, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> Try removing each end of the IQ cable between the KX3 and PX3 and firmly re-inserting it. What you are seeing usually is the result of one end not being fully inserted in the jack, leaving one of the IQ lines open. 
> 
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> 
>> On 1/10/2016 4:42 AM, kevino z wrote:
>> Not sure if it was the loading of the new KX3 firmware, or if I changed some settings, but now on my PX3 panadapter, I see everything symmetrically mirrored around the center. So for example, If there is a signal at Center frequency -50kHz, it appears at +50kHz too. As I move the VFO, the signals eventually converge and pass through the middle on their way to the ends of the display.Anyone have any idea how to fix this, or what I did to get in this mess?thank you -Kevin (KK4YEL) 		 	   		  
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From k4ia at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 15:22:12 2016
From: k4ia at aol.com (K4ia)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:22:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <56980374.5030205@aol.com>

Those extremely wide ragged looking signals are probably all the hounds 
chasing the DX fox.  You are seeing multiple signals, not one ragged one.

Buck
k4ia  K3 #101
Honor Roll 333
8B DXCC

On 1/14/2016 11:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
> ARS N5GE
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From glasserdb at outlook.com  Thu Jan 14 17:04:57 2016
From: glasserdb at outlook.com (David Glasser)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 22:04:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <5697fde8.101f620a.169f.7351@mx.google.com>
References: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
	<32E8DF1A-E562-48FA-AF58-087A22EC570F@triconet.org>
	<5697fde8.101f620a.169f.7351@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DM3PR14MB0831A2B93792814050E95010A7CC0@DM3PR14MB0831.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I have a 1967, 7.2 liter, V8, all original Buick Riviera, why, because it is noisy and probably does not meet emission standards should I relegate it to the musem?
It is a thing of beauty admired by all, and no one cares about the consumption or the mileage on the tyres.
If it were not for that 1967 Buick many cars would not exist today!!
Just saying!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:58 PM
To: Wes <wes at triconet.org>; n5ge at n5ge.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals

As do many, I love looking at old gear and I marvel at the engineering skills of those who came before us youngsters, however, to use them on 20M in todays' conditions is nothing short of shameful.
15Khz wide, scratchy hard to listen to audio simply adds to the QRM and uses unnecessary bandwidth is not something I want to see/hear on the bands.
I wish these old museum pieces were placed in a museum instead.
Obviously saying anything less than glowing comments on the operators signal is greeted with scornful remarks.
I bought my K3 to get a tight, clean signal, most however it seems buy 'eye candy' over specs.
Just my devalued 2 cents worth.
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Wes" <wes at triconet.org>
Sent: ?15/?01/?2016 4:43 AM
To: "n5ge at n5ge.com" <n5ge at n5ge.com>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals

I've also been chasing NPOTA stations, most of whom are on 20 SSB. It is hard to believe until you hear one but there are fools running 12 KHz wide AM there. 

On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <n5ge at n5ge.com> wrote:

> Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely 
> wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
> ARS N5GE
> 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jan 14 18:05:05 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:05:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wide CW Signals
In-Reply-To: <fujf9b14gfuursopj1lu4r8kijgbtr6fvp@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10112i-A708D7E415FA4BB4802BF113144CBD4B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I have a screen capture from the P3 with a CW signal about 15KHz 
wide during straight key night. He was calling CQ, but I didn't 
copy the call sign. I suspect a boatanchor in very poor condition.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/14/16 at 8:48 AM, n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator 
N5GE) wrote:

>Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
>wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
>ARS N5GE

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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Thu Jan 14 19:23:38 2016
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:23:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator
In-Reply-To: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com>
References: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com>
Message-ID: <56983C0A.1090001@ve3syb.ca>

On 15-10-31 02:40 PM, Bob W7AVK wrote:
> For evaluation I purchased last spring directly from China one of the BG7TBL
> 10 mhz sine output GPS Defined Oscillators when the price was $125.
[snip]
> Found the unit works great as a master reference for not only the K3 but lab
> gear like counters and signal generators.

What do you use as a distribution buffer/amp to feed the signal to other 
devices or are you only feeding the output to one device at a time?

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/           |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
                                 | powerful!"
#include <disclaimer/favourite> |             --Chris Hardwick

From kt5d at charter.net  Thu Jan 14 19:31:41 2016
From: kt5d at charter.net (Gee)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:31:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and P3
Message-ID: <91405313-AC7A-4935-973B-1D16E89224C8@charter.net>

Can I use my P3 with a K2? If so does it require a modification to either unit? 





Sent from my iPad

From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 14 21:07:35 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:07:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P Palmyra Dxpedition on the air with Elecraft rigs
Message-ID: <56985467.5000405@elecraft.com>

K5P  Palmyra Island is on the air with with K3S transceivers, P3s and KPA500s. 
See:  http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=K5P  and http://palmyra2016.org

Pic of K5P op positions in action at:
http://elecraft.com/DXpeditions/kp5ops.jpg

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 14 21:56:55 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:56:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and P3
In-Reply-To: <91405313-AC7A-4935-973B-1D16E89224C8@charter.net>
References: <91405313-AC7A-4935-973B-1D16E89224C8@charter.net>
Message-ID: <56985FF7.1060805@embarqmail.com>

The answer is yes.  Actually a better answer is maybe.
The P3 will tune to the K2 IF frequency, but the K2 does not have an IF 
output.
Clifton Laboratories used to have a Z10000-K2 buffer amplifier to bring 
the K2 IF out to the rear panel without loading the K2 IF system, 
however, Clifton Labs has closed shop and the buffer amplifier kit is no 
longer available.
The documentation is still available on the website and the buffer amp 
is not anything complex, so you may be able to build your own version of 
the Z10000-K2 buffer amplifier.
Once you have an IF output from your K2, the P3 will provide the 
spectrum display of the K2 IF without modification.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/14/2016 7:31 PM, Gee wrote:
> Can I use my P3 with a K2? If so does it require a modification to either unit?
>
>


From wes at triconet.org  Thu Jan 14 22:31:01 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 20:31:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P Palmyra Dxpedition on the air with Elecraft rigs
In-Reply-To: <56985467.5000405@elecraft.com>
References: <56985467.5000405@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <569867F5.6070207@triconet.org>

Too bad they didn't take some decent antennas too.

On 1/14/2016 7:07 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> K5P Palmyra Island is on the air with with K3S transceivers, P3s and KPA500s. 
> See:  http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=K5P  and http://palmyra2016.org
>
> Pic of K5P op positions in action at:
> http://elecraft.com/DXpeditions/kp5ops.jpg
>
> 73,
>
> Eric


From jkramer at iafrica.com  Thu Jan 14 23:02:03 2016
From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:02:03 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P Palmyra Dxpedition on the air with Elecraft rigs
In-Reply-To: <569867F5.6070207@triconet.org>
References: <56985467.5000405@elecraft.com> <569867F5.6070207@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <0B766321-8A32-44C6-BDF9-AAD452FADB0B@iafrica.com>

I?m really happy they took omni directional vertical antennas along.
For most DXpeditions that use directional antennas, they never beam
to my direction (understandably, as we are thin on the ground in Africa).

We at last have a fighting chance to get in the log, and it levels the playing
field, with their vertical antennas on all bands.

I have them on 3 band slots thus far

73
John, ZS5J






On 15 Jan 2016, at 5:31 AM, Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org> wrote:

Too bad they didn't take some decent antennas too.

On 1/14/2016 7:07 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> K5P Palmyra Island is on the air with with K3S transceivers, P3s and KPA500s. See:  http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=K5P  and http://palmyra2016.org
> 
> Pic of K5P op positions in action at:
> http://elecraft.com/DXpeditions/kp5ops.jpg
> 
> 73,
> 
> Eric

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From bill.va3ol at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 23:25:09 2016
From: bill.va3ol at gmail.com (bill.va3ol at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:25:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] keys by VE3GHN
Message-ID: <CAOcrgCvh5Ey-FYECUvWPQ+ALonTGZS5K==yXhWMatnN0zwSBVQ@mail.gmail.com>

I purchased a key make by VE3GHN at a flea market and it is a really nice
straight key. Made of brass and on a wooden base. Frankly it has become my
favorite straight key.

I have seen only one other example of his keys on the internet.

If anyone has pictures, descriptions, etc. I would appreciate it. Len is an
SK. I have no idea how many keys might have been produced but I suspect
that many were one off units.

Thanks
Bill, VA3OL

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 01:06:51 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:06:51 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and P3
In-Reply-To: <56985FF7.1060805@embarqmail.com>
References: <91405313-AC7A-4935-973B-1D16E89224C8@charter.net>
	<56985FF7.1060805@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <99D93352-5F11-451A-A2EB-2362D35A7396@gmail.com>

I wonder if it would work in fixed mode or just in tracking mode? I know the K2's CAT command set is a subset of the K3's. It would be interesting to hear from someone who's tried it.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On 15 Jan 2016, at 4:56 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The answer is yes.  Actually a better answer is maybe.
> The P3 will tune to the K2 IF frequency, but the K2 does not have an IF output.
> Clifton Laboratories used to have a Z10000-K2 buffer amplifier to bring the K2 IF out to the rear panel without loading the K2 IF system, however, Clifton Labs has closed shop and the buffer amplifier kit is no longer available.
> The documentation is still available on the website and the buffer amp is not anything complex, so you may be able to build your own version of the Z10000-K2 buffer amplifier.
> Once you have an IF output from your K2, the P3 will provide the spectrum display of the K2 IF without modification.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/14/2016 7:31 PM, Gee wrote:
>> Can I use my P3 with a K2? If so does it require a modification to either unit?
> 
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From n1al at sonic.net  Fri Jan 15 01:12:23 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 22:12:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and P3
In-Reply-To: <99D93352-5F11-451A-A2EB-2362D35A7396@gmail.com>
References: <91405313-AC7A-4935-973B-1D16E89224C8@charter.net>
	<56985FF7.1060805@embarqmail.com>
	<99D93352-5F11-451A-A2EB-2362D35A7396@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56988DC7.2080408@sonic.net>

Nope, tracking mode only.

Alan N1AL


On 01/14/2016 10:06 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> I wonder if it would work in fixed mode or just in tracking mode? I
> know the K2's CAT command set is a subset of the K3's. It would be
> interesting to hear from someone who's tried it.
>
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>
>> On 15 Jan 2016, at 4:56 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The answer is yes.  Actually a better answer is maybe. The P3 will
>> tune to the K2 IF frequency, but the K2 does not have an IF
>> output. Clifton Laboratories used to have a Z10000-K2 buffer
>> amplifier to bring the K2 IF out to the rear panel without loading
>> the K2 IF system, however, Clifton Labs has closed shop and the
>> buffer amplifier kit is no longer available. The documentation is
>> still available on the website and the buffer amp is not anything
>> complex, so you may be able to build your own version of the
>> Z10000-K2 buffer amplifier. Once you have an IF output from your
>> K2, the P3 will provide the spectrum display of the K2 IF without
>> modification.
>>
>> 73, Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 1/14/2016 7:31 PM, Gee wrote: Can I use my P3 with a K2? If so
>>> does it require a modification to either unit?
>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan 15 01:29:40 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 22:29:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P Palmyra Dxpedition on the air with Elecraft rigs
In-Reply-To: <569867F5.6070207@triconet.org>
References: <56985467.5000405@elecraft.com> <569867F5.6070207@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <569891D4.1070502@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/14/2016 7:31 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> Too bad they didn't take some decent antennas too. 

The ones they're using on 160M damn sure work -- top 160 op and 
DXpeditioner N5IA said they were loud at his QTH for most of the night 
the first night they were on. Tonight, they're loud here, and they heard 
my 5W.

73, Jim K9YC

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jan 15 04:42:35 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator
In-Reply-To: <56983C0A.1090001@ve3syb.ca>
References: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> <56983C0A.1090001@ve3syb.ca>
Message-ID: <A520F0D3-B3E2-468C-B1FF-51E2213BB4A0@yahoo.co.uk>

BG7TBL also makes a matching 8 output sinewave distribution amplifier. It also contains another Morion 10 MHz OCXO which switches in automatically if the 10 MHz input to the distribution amp is not there. You can usually get a good deal on the GPS reference and the distribution amp together on eBay. I was actually just looking for a distribution amplifier when I stumbled across both items.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 15 Jan 2016, at 00:23, Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 15-10-31 02:40 PM, Bob W7AVK wrote:
>> For evaluation I purchased last spring directly from China one of the BG7TBL
>> 10 mhz sine output GPS Defined Oscillators when the price was $125.
> [snip]
>> Found the unit works great as a master reference for not only the K3 but lab
>> gear like counters and signal generators.
> 
> What do you use as a distribution buffer/amp to feed the signal to other devices or are you only feeding the output to one device at a time?
> 
> -- 
> Cheers!
> 
> Kevin.
> 
> http://www.ve3syb.ca/           |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract
> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
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From fcady at montana.edu  Fri Jan 15 10:46:03 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:46:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Text Mode Guide and Lulu Discount codes
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB080972D3F7FFA61B291A9303AFCD0@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

http://www.ke7x.com/The-KX3/the-elecraft-kxpa100-px3-and-2m-4m-transverter has a free pdf file that explains the operation of the PX3 Text Mode that is now available in the PX3 firmware 1.39.  This has KE7X's analysis of how the firmware is currently working  but we should note there may be changes in the future.

Also, for those looking for printed copies of the KE7X books, www.lulu.com<http://www.lulu.com> currently has a 15% discount on print books (not pdfs).  Enter the code GETIT15 (upper case) when you complete your order.

73 and cheers,

Fred KE7X

(Hope to work you in NAQP this weekend.)


From w4rm at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 14:46:54 2016
From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:46:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please
Message-ID: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>

I have a new to me, Used K3 that looks to have a setting or audio problem I
can't figure out.

 

The problem I'm having is the CONFIG setting for "SPKR+PH" is set for Yes
and the audio is working the way I understand it to work (Both Speaker and
headphone audio at the same time).

 

But when I change "SPKR+PH" to NO I only get Audio if the Headphones are
plugged in, when I unplug the headsets NO audio comes out vis the internal
speaker and the radio audio is gone.  If I then go to the CONFIG settings
for for "SPKR+PH" and change it back to "yes" then the internal speaker then
provides audio again.

 

What am I missing?

 

No second receiver is installed if this has any impact.

 

I own two other K3 radios and they do not act in this manner.

 

 

Thanks for any help

 

73 Bill  W4RM


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 15 15:06:46 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:06:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please
In-Reply-To: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
References: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56995156.1070700@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Check the SPKR setting in config menu.  Set it to 1 if using only the 
internal speaker.  If using a pair of speakers plugged into the rear 
speaker jack, set it for 2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/15/2016 2:46 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote:
> I have a new to me, Used K3 that looks to have a setting or audio problem I
> can't figure out.
>
>   
>
> The problem I'm having is the CONFIG setting for "SPKR+PH" is set for Yes
> and the audio is working the way I understand it to work (Both Speaker and
> headphone audio at the same time).
>
>   
>
> But when I change "SPKR+PH" to NO I only get Audio if the Headphones are
> plugged in, when I unplug the headsets NO audio comes out vis the internal
> speaker and the radio audio is gone.  If I then go to the CONFIG settings
> for for "SPKR+PH" and change it back to "yes" then the internal speaker then
> provides audio again.
>


From jowoc1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 15:22:18 2016
From: jowoc1 at gmail.com (Zbigniew Tyrlik)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:22:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA help..
Message-ID: <DFA767B7-7409-4463-BF9A-07AC991E94FA@gmail.com>

just received used SVGA board. 

Installed following the manual. 

Nothing on external display. 
tried 2 cables, 2 monitors. 

Upgraded firmware on P3  to current 01.54, svga is on 01.25;  all SVGA menu options are accessible? but nothing on external display. 

Opened top of P3,  the cable is aligned properly, red LED on SVGA board is blinking. 


Totally lost.. 

73, de KU1T
_zjt
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From dk8zj at web.de  Fri Jan 15 15:26:46 2016
From: dk8zj at web.de (Martin)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:26:46 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange behavior of P3
Message-ID: <56995606.4040405@web.de>


My P3 shows some strange behavior when combined with a K33 (newest firmware on K3S and P3):

1. When the subreceiver is turned on in LSB mode (listening to a qso on the low
bands) and VFO B cursor is also on, the cursor VFO B changes from LSB to
USB, if the mode of the main receiver is changed from any mode to TX DATA (Submode
DATA A). Although the K3S is still receiving in LSB on subrx, the P3
shows USB cursor.

2. When turning on ATT (K3S) the signals on P3 screen (and SGVA Monitor)
drop down. They remain stable at the same level if PRE is turned on. When using my K3 the
signals remain always the same level. On the high bands (12 or 10m) the
signals on P3 drop when activating the preamp 1, they drop even more when
activating preamp 2.

Any explanation for this behavior of P3 ?

73s, Martin DK8ZJ




From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jan 15 15:42:53 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:42:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please
In-Reply-To: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
References: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D8371169-F32E-46F4-AF0A-4DF02646BBF0@widomaker.com>

Bill,

The ?phones? work all the time.  SPKR+PH only controls the speaker.  It allows me to operate at night without bothering the OWMBO (One who must??).

?billc nr4c



> On Jan 15, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I have a new to me, Used K3 that looks to have a setting or audio problem I
> can't figure out.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem I'm having is the CONFIG setting for "SPKR+PH" is set for Yes
> and the audio is working the way I understand it to work (Both Speaker and
> headphone audio at the same time).
> 
> 
> 
> But when I change "SPKR+PH" to NO I only get Audio if the Headphones are
> plugged in, when I unplug the headsets NO audio comes out vis the internal
> speaker and the radio audio is gone.  If I then go to the CONFIG settings
> for for "SPKR+PH" and change it back to "yes" then the internal speaker then
> provides audio again.
> 
> 
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> 
> 
> No second receiver is installed if this has any impact.
> 
> 
> 
> I own two other K3 radios and they do not act in this manner.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> 
> 
> 73 Bill  W4RM
> 
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From w4rm at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 15:50:03 2016
From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:50:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please
In-Reply-To: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
References: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0a3801d14fd6$4fa034b0$eee09e10$@aol.com>





I just got an e-mail from ELECRAFT with directions that fixed this problem.

I'll post what I did after I get one clarification from him.

73 Bill  W4RM




-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
OMara via Elecraft
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:47 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please

I have a new to me, Used K3 that looks to have a setting or audio problem I
can't figure out.

 

The problem I'm having is the CONFIG setting for "SPKR+PH" is set for Yes
and the audio is working the way I understand it to work (Both Speaker and
headphone audio at the same time).

 

But when I change "SPKR+PH" to NO I only get Audio if the Headphones are
plugged in, when I unplug the headsets NO audio comes out vis the internal
speaker and the radio audio is gone.  If I then go to the CONFIG settings
for for "SPKR+PH" and change it back to "yes" then the internal speaker then
provides audio again.

 

What am I missing?

 

No second receiver is installed if this has any impact.

 

I own two other K3 radios and they do not act in this manner.

 

 

Thanks for any help

 

73 Bill  W4RM

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jan 15 15:51:02 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange behavior of P3
In-Reply-To: <56995606.4040405@web.de>
References: <56995606.4040405@web.de>
Message-ID: <3B487617-97D6-4FBE-A471-1BE12717524F@widomaker.com>

See below?..


> On Jan 15, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Martin <dk8zj at web.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> ??.. if the mode of the main receiver is changed from any mode to TX DATA (Submode
> DATA A). 
Noter, there is no Mode "TX DATA?.  The ?TX? is an icon with an arrow pointing either down to it, or up to it indicating which VFO (A or B) is the transmit frequency.  It jujst happens that the MODE ?DATA? is next to it.


?bill c nr4c

From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 15:53:20 2016
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:53:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please
In-Reply-To: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
References: <0a1a01d14fcd$7c920790$75b616b0$@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56995C40.50306@gmail.com>

Bill,

Try this (from K3 firmware release notes0:

MCU 4.86 / DSP 2.83, 6-9-2014

* REAR HEADPHONE JACK CONTROL: The rear headphone jack (on the KIO3) was 
recently changed to a different type whose speaker-cutout switch logic 
is inverted from the original. If speaker audio is missing even without 
phones plugged in, you'll need to change the setup. Locate 
CONFIG:SPKR+PH, then tap '1' to switch to "PH.R SW-" (inverted). Tapping 
a second time reverts back to the original setting, "PH.R SW+".

---

73,

Lyle KK7P

> I have a new to me, Used K3 that looks to have a setting or audio problem I
> can't figure out...
>
> But when I change "SPKR+PH" to NO I only get Audio if the Headphones are
> plugged in...


From w4rm at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 15:57:11 2016
From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:57:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please (FIXED)
Message-ID: <0a3d01d14fd7$4dedd450$e9c97cf0$@aol.com>

Thanks for all the Help!!


Below E-mail from Elecraft Customer Support fixed the problem.



From: Craig K3 Support [mailto:k3support at elecraft.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 3:24 PM
To: Bill OMara <w4rm at aol.com>
Subject: W4RM : K3 Speaker Setting

Hi Bill,

While in SPKR+PH in the Config Menu, please tap the A/B 1 button until you
see PH.R SW +. That should fix it.

73,

--
--------------------------
Craig Smith W6WL
Elecraft Customer Support
831-763-4211 x 174
--------------------------


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
OMara via Elecraft
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:47 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SN89XX Audio Problem Help please

I have a new to me, Used K3 that looks to have a setting or audio problem I
can't figure out.

 

The problem I'm having is the CONFIG setting for "SPKR+PH" is set for Yes
and the audio is working the way I understand it to work (Both Speaker and
headphone audio at the same time).

 

But when I change "SPKR+PH" to NO I only get Audio if the Headphones are
plugged in, when I unplug the headsets NO audio comes out vis the internal
speaker and the radio audio is gone.  If I then go to the CONFIG settings
for for "SPKR+PH" and change it back to "yes" then the internal speaker then
provides audio again.

 

What am I missing?

 

No second receiver is installed if this has any impact.

 

I own two other K3 radios and they do not act in this manner.

 

 

Thanks for any help

 

73 Bill  W4RM

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From pauls at elecraft.com  Fri Jan 15 18:34:28 2016
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:34:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange behavior of P3
In-Reply-To: <56995606.4040405@web.de>
References: <56995606.4040405@web.de>
Message-ID: <1452900868298-7612689.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Martin, 

Problem #2 is a bug in the P3 firmware.  With the new K3S there are
additional steps in both the attenuator and the preamp that the P3 is not
taking into account.  This will be fixed in the next P3 firmware release. 

kind regards, 

Paul N6HZ



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From pauls at elecraft.com  Fri Jan 15 18:43:01 2016
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:43:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA help..
In-Reply-To: <DFA767B7-7409-4463-BF9A-07AC991E94FA@gmail.com>
References: <DFA767B7-7409-4463-BF9A-07AC991E94FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1452901381267-7612690.post@n2.nabble.com>

There are LEDs on the P3 front panel and on the SVGA board, both should be
blinking.  If you plug a keyboard or USB thumbdrive into the SVGA board, you
should see another LED light up on the SVGA board. 

The next thing to try is a parameter reset on the P3.  Do that holding down
the MENU key and then tapping the POWER key.  This will reinitialize any
settings so you may first want to save the P3 configuration using the P3
Utility.  

Next check the revisions of the all the FPGA files located on the SVGA
board.  You mentioned that you upgraded the firmware, but maybe one of these
files could be corrupted (they control the video chip).  Rotate the encoder
to the SVGA sub-menu and then enter it.  Rotate the encoder to select SVGA
FW and select using a push of the encoder.  You should see 1.04 in FPGA 0 to
FPGA 4.  

If none of that works, email me directly at Elecraft.  My email address is
pauls at you know where dot com. 

Kind regards, 

Paul



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From rollen at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 20:15:32 2016
From: rollen at comcast.net (Bert Rollen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:15:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?
Message-ID: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>

All, 

 

I am setting up a LP-PAN with my K3.

 

Will I cause much problem by using a 75 ohm jumper on the IF ?  (I happen to
have several fairly nice 24" Belden 8263 BNC jumpers on hand).  

 

 

Thanks,

 

Bert

 

 

 
<https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=116628572&authType=name&authToken=
cHsm&locale=en_US&pvs=pp&trk=ppro_viewmore> Bert Rollen, PMP

 <mailto:rollen at comcast.net> rollen at comcast.net

865-599-6074

 

 


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 15 20:32:30 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:32:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?
In-Reply-To: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56999DAE.1010608@embarqmail.com>

For that short distance, it will not matter if you use 50 ohm of 75 ohm 
coax.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/15/2016 8:15 PM, Bert Rollen wrote:
> I am setting up a LP-PAN with my K3.
>
> Will I cause much problem by using a 75 ohm jumper on the IF ?  (I happen to
> have several fairly nice 24" Belden 8263 BNC jumpers on hand).
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jan 15 20:34:48 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 17:34:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?
In-Reply-To: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56999E38.90709@foothill.net>

No.  What will matter is the quality of the connectors.  The 1st IF 
output from the K3 is low level, the P3 is basically a fairly sensitive 
HF receiver, and bad connectors can create all sorts of problems.

You didn't give a S/N range for your K3, but there is a simple mod 
[destroy one surface mount resistor and replace it with a non-SMC 
resistor] that will raise the IF output.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/15/2016 5:15 PM, Bert Rollen wrote:

> I am setting up a LP-PAN with my K3.

> Will I cause much problem by using a 75 ohm jumper on the IF ?  (I happen to
> have several fairly nice 24" Belden 8263 BNC jumpers on hand).


From dk8zj at web.de  Sat Jan 16 01:12:40 2016
From: dk8zj at web.de (Martin)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:12:40 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange behavior of P3
In-Reply-To: <1452900868298-7612689.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <56995606.4040405@web.de>
	<1452900868298-7612689.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5699DF58.8080903@web.de>

Hi Paul,

many thanks for Your info.

It seems to me, the P3 under certain conditions displaying an USB cursor 
if the subreceiver is switched to LSB (Problem #1) is also a bug in the 
firmware ?

73, Martin



Paul Saffren N6HZ schrieb:
> Hi Martin,
>
> Problem #2 is a bug in the P3 firmware.  With the new K3S there are
> additional steps in both the attenuator and the preamp that the P3 is not
> taking into account.  This will be fixed in the next P3 firmware release.
>
> kind regards,
>
> Paul N6HZ
>
>
>
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From oliver.grossmann at bretzi.de  Sat Jan 16 07:51:22 2016
From: oliver.grossmann at bretzi.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Gro=c3=9fmann?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:51:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: SPLIT on different bands
Message-ID: <569A3CCA.2050109@bretzi.de>

Hi elecraft team, hi list,

I'm thinking again on improvements for SO2V operation using a K3 with 
sub RX.
In my opinion operating will be much smoother if TX on 2nd VFO is possible.

I do know it is technical not possible to transmit on the frequency of 
the sub RX if it is on a different band. Due to the fact the sub RX is 
as powerful as the main RX I do have an idea.

If split is disabled and both VFOs are on different band (normal 
operation) VFOA frequency, mode, filter bw etc. are shown as usual.
If the operator enables split on different bands, swap RF paths like 
pushing the A/B button but dont swap the displayed information on the 
LCD, CAT information and left/right audio and enable the split icon on 
the LCD.
Of course this aren't all points which need to be considered and with PC 
control it is possible to operate like this, but it would be much more 
robust against operator errors if radio and software setting are consistent.

Please give a short feedback if you are with my wish or if it is against 
any operating strategy of elecraft.

Thanks Olli,
DH2WQ















From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 16 09:18:16 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:18:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: SPLIT on different bands
In-Reply-To: <569A3CCA.2050109@bretzi.de>
References: <569A3CCA.2050109@bretzi.de>
Message-ID: <569A5128.6070307@embarqmail.com>

Olli,

I think something like that would add confusion to the user interface.
In other words, you have a unique situation that is only applicable if 
split is on a different band, but the display will not reflect the 
status of the normal RX and TX parameters when in split.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2016 7:51 AM, Oliver Gro?mann wrote:
> Hi elecraft team, hi list,
>
> I'm thinking again on improvements for SO2V operation using a K3 with 
> sub RX.
> In my opinion operating will be much smoother if TX on 2nd VFO is 
> possible.
>
> I do know it is technical not possible to transmit on the frequency of 
> the sub RX if it is on a different band. Due to the fact the sub RX is 
> as powerful as the main RX I do have an idea.
>
> If split is disabled and both VFOs are on different band (normal 
> operation) VFOA frequency, mode, filter bw etc. are shown as usual.
> If the operator enables split on different bands, swap RF paths like 
> pushing the A/B button but dont swap the displayed information on the 
> LCD, CAT information and left/right audio and enable the split icon on 
> the LCD.
> Of course this aren't all points which need to be considered and with 
> PC control it is possible to operate like this, but it would be much 
> more robust against operator errors if radio and software setting are 
> consistent.
>


From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Jan 16 10:21:34 2016
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:21:34 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: SPLIT on different bands
In-Reply-To: <569A5128.6070307@embarqmail.com>
References: <569A3CCA.2050109@bretzi.de> <569A5128.6070307@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4CC3F49DA39468090B22441FD62FACA@DOUG1>

Hi All,
     Yes, please be careful about feature upon feature making the menus a
nightmare.   Thank God for a good manual and KE7X books to further keep us
straight.  This is not really a radio one can operate without manuals.
Think of a ham who only has French and thankfully the K3 in not made in
Normandy or I would be in trouble.  The Orion II for a while had a bad
reputation because of what some found overly complicated menus.   The K3 has
a mass market in ham radio terms and this market helps to keep our favourite
radio company producing the best.

            73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: 16 January 2016 14:18
To: Oliver Gro?mann; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feature Request: SPLIT on different bands

Olli,

I think something like that would add confusion to the user interface.
In other words, you have a unique situation that is only applicable if 
split is on a different band, but the display will not reflect the 
status of the normal RX and TX parameters when in split.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2016 7:51 AM, Oliver Gro?mann wrote:
> Hi elecraft team, hi list,
>
> I'm thinking again on improvements for SO2V operation using a K3 with 
> sub RX.
> In my opinion operating will be much smoother if TX on 2nd VFO is 
> possible.
>
> I do know it is technical not possible to transmit on the frequency of 
> the sub RX if it is on a different band. Due to the fact the sub RX is 
> as powerful as the main RX I do have an idea.
>
> If split is disabled and both VFOs are on different band (normal 
> operation) VFOA frequency, mode, filter bw etc. are shown as usual.
> If the operator enables split on different bands, swap RF paths like 
> pushing the A/B button but dont swap the displayed information on the 
> LCD, CAT information and left/right audio and enable the split icon on 
> the LCD.
> Of course this aren't all points which need to be considered and with 
> PC control it is possible to operate like this, but it would be much 
> more robust against operator errors if radio and software setting are 
> consistent.
>

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From droese at necg.de  Sat Jan 16 10:37:04 2016
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:37:04 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: SPLIT on different bands
In-Reply-To: <569A3CCA.2050109@bretzi.de>
References: <569A3CCA.2050109@bretzi.de>
Message-ID: <569A63A0.8070002@necg.de>

Olli,

this is more confusion to "the normal guy" than just pressing A/B once, 
do the QSO, and get back with another A/B button press. I do it all the 
time when SO2V'ing on different bands, works like a charme. We should 
take care not to over complicate things on an already very feature rich 
radio Joe Average already has trouble with at times.

73 from another Olli - DH8BQA

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 16.01.2016 um 13:51 schrieb Oliver Gro?mann:
> Hi elecraft team, hi list,
>
> I'm thinking again on improvements for SO2V operation using a K3 with 
> sub RX.
> In my opinion operating will be much smoother if TX on 2nd VFO is 
> possible.
>
> I do know it is technical not possible to transmit on the frequency of 
> the sub RX if it is on a different band. Due to the fact the sub RX is 
> as powerful as the main RX I do have an idea.
>
> If split is disabled and both VFOs are on different band (normal 
> operation) VFOA frequency, mode, filter bw etc. are shown as usual.
> If the operator enables split on different bands, swap RF paths like 
> pushing the A/B button but dont swap the displayed information on the 
> LCD, CAT information and left/right audio and enable the split icon on 
> the LCD.
> Of course this aren't all points which need to be considered and with 
> PC control it is possible to operate like this, but it would be much 
> more robust against operator errors if radio and software setting are 
> consistent.
>
> Please give a short feedback if you are with my wish or if it is 
> against any operating strategy of elecraft.
>
> Thanks Olli,
> DH2WQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From oz7bq at yahoo.dk  Sat Jan 16 10:58:56 2016
From: oz7bq at yahoo.dk (Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:58:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Unstable KXPA100 output on 40 Meters.
References: <376183065.9584744.1452959936545.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <376183065.9584744.1452959936545.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Someone on this list may have an answer.
The output and SWR green LED status indicators on my KX3 (sn 18xx) KXPA100/KXAT100 (sn 08xx) combo exhibit some unusual behavour on 40 Meters CW.
The problem (if it is a problem) is present only on 40 Meters when running 80 Watts or more, at which point the output power indicator begins to jump between 80 and 110 watts and the SWR indicator between 1.2 and 2. 
The indications does not appear to follow the keying strictly but happens randomly starting a few seconds after start of keying. The indications appears mostly at keying speeds below approx 22 WPM using a paddle. There appears to be few or no indications at slow speed hand keying.I do not experience any jumping output indications when the KXPA is put in Tx mode by grounding the KXPA PA Key line.The problem disappear, if I disconnect the connection from the KX3 ACC1 to the KXPA.I use as a KXPACBL adaptor Cable Set.

The above problem appears to be RFI related, as the jumping output/SWR indications are present only when feeding an antenna. No indications are present when feeding a dummy load.Liberal use of ferrite on feedlines and cables does not appear to make any difference on this issue. I have build a G4HUP type RF current meter, and can not trace any common-mode RF on Feedlines,on power lines or on wires between KX3 and KXPA.My K2-100 does not exhibit any jumping output power or SWR indications on the same antennas and at the same power levels.

My questions are:Has anyone experienced anything similar?Is it a problem?and if so, where does the RF enter?
Is it likely that the RF get into the KXPA through the RDX or TDX lines on the RJ45 connector?

Thank you in advance, good DXOZ7BQ, 
Hans J?rgen (Joe).

From bob.novas at verizon.net  Sat Jan 16 11:04:03 2016
From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:04:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
In-Reply-To: <5696A036.30305@socal.rr.com>
References: <8206F323-FAAB-41FF-ACE6-C2AC7F167C84@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB0963BFFE759370693535482398C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<7F2290AE-7ED8-4787-A3EA-83B25BA4CDB3@yahoo.co.uk>
	<BN3PR1201MB09630F7F3615737D8C642DF998C80@BN3PR1201MB0963.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts5EhGgJiAO9OKu4B9_nEH5CObVuS+xswSmg5rHBS+rZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<277DADCC-5942-4700-90F8-4C84410E6309@yahoo.co.uk>
	<CA+33ts5QR+HfRNYsp56C6YK_o+YN+8cWPn2cvJ1uGu+1RTesMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A507D4F2-55C5-4A17-9DB1-63F45B1E4F1E@yahoo.co.uk>
	<5695788C.9090205@embarqmail.com>
	<9E550FCE-0958-498E-941E-C3A7E0E7A369@yahoo.co.uk>
	<D0C89880-CA39-462B-87F8-BD28106F58DB@elecraft.com>
	<5696A036.30305@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005c01d15077$855697b0$9003c710$@verizon.net>

I downloaded the 11x14_Hershberger zip archive and ran the cessb.m script
through a fresh install of Octave 4.0.0 on a Windows box.

- I had to install the signal package  (pkg install -forge signal)
- I have to load the signal package every time I start Octave (pkg load
signal)
- I had to comment out all lines starting with saveas - there appears to be
a bug in Octave that causes it to hang when saving plots. ("OpenGL feedback
buffer overflow). you can also just abort the gs.exe process to allow the
script to continue.  I tried adding 'graphics_toolkit("gnuplot");' as the
first line of the script, this was said to be helpful in some of the bug
reports, but didn't help me.
- if you step through the code you can see the plots, if you run the code,
you won't see the plots.

Interesting.  I can't actually hear much difference when I play the original
and processed wav files, but the script reports a power gain of 3.6db which
would be significant.

I'd love to try this out on the air!

Bob, W3DK




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
> Wheeler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:07 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Controlled Envelope SSB
> 
> That would be a very interesting development, Wayne.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
> On 1/13/16 8:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > This may be possible, and we'll look into it when we get a chance.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I am still interested to know if it would be possible for Elecraft to
implement
> CESSB (which is freely available) within the KX3 DSP modulator...
> 
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From jnogatch at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 11:57:27 2016
From: jnogatch at gmail.com (John Nogatch)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 08:57:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Unstable KXPA100 output on 40 Meters.
In-Reply-To: <376183065.9584744.1452959936545.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <376183065.9584744.1452959936545.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<376183065.9584744.1452959936545.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADTTAaxtn0UUa2C2=a_6s65kn_8YQ-R-H+17VVBN2KcrJu98VA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ
<oz7bq at yahoo.dk> wrote:...
> The output and SWR green LED status indicators on my KX3 (sn 18xx) KXPA100/KXAT100 (sn 08xx) combo exhibit some unusual behavour on 40 Meters CW...
> The above problem appears to be RFI related, as the jumping output/SWR indications are present only when feeding an antenna. ...
> My questions are:Has anyone experienced anything similar?....

I experienced similar problems on 40m with my K3+KPA500+KAT500, i.e.
the SWR would suddenly jump, the amplifier would fault, and the
automatic band selector antenna switch would chatter. Because the
problem only seemed to occur on 40m, I investigated the antenna, found
a loose connection, but it did not fix the problem. Eventually,
similar fault occurred on 20m.

Finally, I found that the short coaxial cable between the KAT500 and
the antenna switch was intermittent. I could observe change in receive
signal strength when I twisted the cable, near the PL-259 connector.
Substituting a different cable has completely fixed the problem. I
suspect a bad soldered shield connection in the bad cable.

At one point, while investigating this problem, receive sensitivity on
40m only, was 30 dB worse, although transmit was normal. The RX_ANT
had been activated, and there was no receive antenna connected!

-John  AC6SL

From k8kzb at charter.net  Sat Jan 16 12:50:41 2016
From: k8kzb at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:50:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver problem with KSYN3A
Message-ID: <000201d15086$6a889230$3f99b690$@charter.net>

Hello,

 

My Dad picked up a K3 that is a late number 9xxx it had a sub receiver and
both synthesizers are the KSYN3A. A little history on the rig first,
Original owner bought as 100 watt kit and installed the sub receiver. Second
owner installed a couple filters on the main board and the antenna tuner
KAT3 and my Dad got from him. Anyway, my Dad and I were going through it and
could not get anything out of the sub receiver, set speakers to 1 and now we
get static so that's a good sign. 

 

Figured it was the settings so checked KRX3 and set it to Ant-BNC and hooked
up to the AUX BNC to the signal generator. Went through setup with K3
Support from Elecraft and still nothing. Checked all connections on sub
receiver and noticed that the Green LED on the sub KSYN3A was not lit like
on the main receiver KSYN3A. Swapped them and appears that the problem is on
the board because now I have a green light on the sub (originally main) and
nothing on the main (originally sub). Went to check syn status and it showed
PLL instead of SYN1 OK and SYN2 OK. No receive on main or sub.

 

I put them back the original way and main works but no sub Status says SYN1
OK and SYN 2 OK but no green LED light on the sub board. I ordered a new
KSYN3A for the sub so hope that works but still have no idea why no green
LED but says SYN2 OK.

 

Any thoughts on my long winded comment?

 

73,

Jeff


From rollen at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 12:51:24 2016
From: rollen at comcast.net (Bert Rollen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?
In-Reply-To: <56999E38.90709@foothill.net>
References: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>
	<56999E38.90709@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <BAY406-EAS158F7E69F8E3DEBDA81BD66D9CE0@phx.gbl>

Thanks all for the replies.

With renewed inspiration, I have dug several options out of my junk-box,
including some 6" & some 24" heliax jumpers. They are N-type, but I can
adapt.

I also found a 8" LMR-400 jumper with BNCs on it, and a few other jumpers.

(I have waaaay to much crap around here)


73, Bert  

BTW, the K3 is a 1500+ serial no. , but has been fully updated at the
factory a few months back.  Only thing I am missing is the KIO3B and the
4-layer main-board (and have no intent to upgrade those).


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Jensen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:35 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?

No.  What will matter is the quality of the connectors.  The 1st IF output
from the K3 is low level, the P3 is basically a fairly sensitive HF
receiver, and bad connectors can create all sorts of problems.

You didn't give a S/N range for your K3, but there is a simple mod [destroy
one surface mount resistor and replace it with a non-SMC resistor] that will
raise the IF output.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/15/2016 5:15 PM, Bert Rollen wrote:

> I am setting up a LP-PAN with my K3.

> Will I cause much problem by using a 75 ohm jumper on the IF ?  (I 
> happen to have several fairly nice 24" Belden 8263 BNC jumpers on hand).

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From n1al at sonic.net  Sat Jan 16 15:57:12 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:57:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?
In-Reply-To: <BAY406-EAS158F7E69F8E3DEBDA81BD66D9CE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>
	<56999E38.90709@foothill.net>
	<BAY406-EAS158F7E69F8E3DEBDA81BD66D9CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <569AAEA8.1030600@sonic.net>

On 01/16/2016 09:51 AM, Bert Rollen wrote:
...
> With renewed inspiration, I have dug several options out of my junk-box,
> including some 6" & some 24" heliax jumpers. They are N-type, but I can
> adapt.

Male N connectors fit perfectly into female BNCs.  (Try it!)  The only 
downside is there is no positive retention, so you don't want to use 
this method if there is a chance the cable will get tugged on.

Alan N1AL


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 15:57:46 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:57:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver problem with KSYN3A
In-Reply-To: <000201d15086$6a889230$3f99b690$@charter.net>
References: <000201d15086$6a889230$3f99b690$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3GNvpqbzyMG=PgKD9+36CcrJvLRKAv9NUA2uz0sAgi7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I hope that you worked that problem through with Elecraft Tech Support on
the phone, particularly since there's the cost of a KSYN3A involved. Some
troubles have so much stuff floating around to sort through that it's just
plain difficult to work it via email.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Jeff <k8kzb at charter.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> My Dad picked up a K3 that is a late number 9xxx it had a sub receiver and
> both synthesizers are the KSYN3A. A little history on the rig first,
> Original owner bought as 100 watt kit and installed the sub receiver.
> Second
> owner installed a couple filters on the main board and the antenna tuner
> KAT3 and my Dad got from him. Anyway, my Dad and I were going through it
> and
> could not get anything out of the sub receiver, set speakers to 1 and now
> we
> get static so that's a good sign.
>
>
>
> Figured it was the settings so checked KRX3 and set it to Ant-BNC and
> hooked
> up to the AUX BNC to the signal generator. Went through setup with K3
> Support from Elecraft and still nothing. Checked all connections on sub
> receiver and noticed that the Green LED on the sub KSYN3A was not lit like
> on the main receiver KSYN3A. Swapped them and appears that the problem is
> on
> the board because now I have a green light on the sub (originally main) and
> nothing on the main (originally sub). Went to check syn status and it
> showed
> PLL instead of SYN1 OK and SYN2 OK. No receive on main or sub.
>
>
>
> I put them back the original way and main works but no sub Status says SYN1
> OK and SYN 2 OK but no green LED light on the sub board. I ordered a new
> KSYN3A for the sub so hope that works but still have no idea why no green
> LED but says SYN2 OK.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on my long winded comment?
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Jeff
>
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From ebasilier at cox.net  Sat Jan 16 16:06:46 2016
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:06:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
In-Reply-To: <41Ba1s00W45oxQM011Bbr1>
References: <41hp1s00K45oxQM011hqHX> <41Ba1s00W45oxQM011Bbr1>
Message-ID: <05ec01d150a1$cf719820$6e54c860$@cox.net>

The KRX3 is still available, and I am still trying to sell it in combination
with associated options, rather than making a lot of separate transactions.
Of course, I don't expect anyone to want every filter from my 2nd receiver,
so once the main pieces are sold, I expect some filters to become available
for individual sale. 

To make a combination sale more attractive, I am now offering a special
package price:
- KRX3 (including the older synthesizer typically found in a K3)
- SSB filter upgrade to 2.8 kHz 8-pole 
- KBPF3 general receive option
Package price for this combination is now $600 + shipping.

If you are interested in this package and want to add additional filter(s),
please let me know your requirements and I can make you a special price. The
additional filters I have are: 
6.0 kHz
1.8 kHz
500 Hz (a matched pair may be available)
200 Hz (a matched pair is definitely available)

Oh, and if anyone has an INRAD 700 Hz filter for sale, please let me know.

73,
Erik K7TV


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Erik
Basilier
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 6:11 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters

Please understand: The buyer of the KRX3 will have the first to be able to
buy any or all of the other pieces. Once that deal is closed, any left-over
pieces will be available to others.

Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net


From n8lp at telepostinc.com  Sat Jan 16 16:21:48 2016
From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:21:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14420.1452978401.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.14420.1452978401.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <569AB46C.6030101@telepostinc.com>

No, as long as the cable is well shielded and the connectors fit well.

Larry N8LP



On 1/16/2016 4:06 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:15:32 -0500
> From: Bert Rollen<rollen at comcast.net>
> To:<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] 75 ohm cable on Buffered I.F. Output?
> Message-ID:<BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> All,
>
>   
>
> I am setting up a LP-PAN with my K3.
>
>   
>
> Will I cause much problem by using a 75 ohm jumper on the IF ?  (I happen to
> have several fairly nice 24" Belden 8263 BNC jumpers on hand).
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Thanks,
>
>   
>
> Bert
>
>   


From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Jan 16 16:30:32 2016
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 21:30:32 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT} K5P   Palmyra Mystery Island
In-Reply-To: <569AAEA8.1030600@sonic.net>
References: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl><56999E38.90709@foothill.net><BAY406-EAS158F7E69F8E3DEBDA81BD66D9CE0@phx.gbl>
	<569AAEA8.1030600@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <887E0F8A8E8A4F8FAE3A724B6420C845@DOUG1>


Dear OMs and Yls,
      Elecraft is a sponsor so perhaps this off topic account of Palmyra
Island is of interest.   EI6IL did some research on Palmyra and came up with
this link which gives an interesting account of dark happenings on Palmyra
Atoll.    A read of this may add some spice to your hunt.   Good luck.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/07/the-cursed-paradise-of-palmyra-atoll/

                73 Doug EI2CN




From k8kzb at charter.net  Sat Jan 16 16:38:16 2016
From: k8kzb at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:38:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver problem with KSYN3A
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3GNvpqbzyMG=PgKD9+36CcrJvLRKAv9NUA2uz0sAgi7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000201d15086$6a889230$3f99b690$@charter.net>
	<CANckpc3GNvpqbzyMG=PgKD9+36CcrJvLRKAv9NUA2uz0sAgi7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d150a6$360140a0$a203c1e0$@charter.net>

I worked it with Howard from Elecraft and everything points to the board but also wanted to run it through here to see if anyone else had a problem like that. My K3 is an older one with the older Synthesizer boards so I can?t do any ?swaptronix? with the boards. 

 

From: guyk2av at gmail.com [mailto:guyk2av at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Jeff <k8kzb at charter.net>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver problem with KSYN3A

 

I hope that you worked that problem through with Elecraft Tech Support on the phone, particularly since there's the cost of a KSYN3A involved. Some troubles have so much stuff floating around to sort through that it's just plain difficult to work it via email. 

 

73, Guy K2AV

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Jeff <k8kzb at charter.net <mailto:k8kzb at charter.net> > wrote:

Hello,



My Dad picked up a K3 that is a late number 9xxx it had a sub receiver and
both synthesizers are the KSYN3A. A little history on the rig first,
Original owner bought as 100 watt kit and installed the sub receiver. Second
owner installed a couple filters on the main board and the antenna tuner
KAT3 and my Dad got from him. Anyway, my Dad and I were going through it and
could not get anything out of the sub receiver, set speakers to 1 and now we
get static so that's a good sign.



Figured it was the settings so checked KRX3 and set it to Ant-BNC and hooked
up to the AUX BNC to the signal generator. Went through setup with K3
Support from Elecraft and still nothing. Checked all connections on sub
receiver and noticed that the Green LED on the sub KSYN3A was not lit like
on the main receiver KSYN3A. Swapped them and appears that the problem is on
the board because now I have a green light on the sub (originally main) and
nothing on the main (originally sub). Went to check syn status and it showed
PLL instead of SYN1 OK and SYN2 OK. No receive on main or sub.



I put them back the original way and main works but no sub Status says SYN1
OK and SYN 2 OK but no green LED light on the sub board. I ordered a new
KSYN3A for the sub so hope that works but still have no idea why no green
LED but says SYN2 OK.



Any thoughts on my long winded comment?



73,

Jeff

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From k8kzb at charter.net  Sat Jan 16 17:27:48 2016
From: k8kzb at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:27:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver problem with KSYN3A
In-Reply-To: <569ABEC9.9030400@flex.com>
References: <000201d15086$6a889230$3f99b690$@charter.net>
	<CANckpc3GNvpqbzyMG=PgKD9+36CcrJvLRKAv9NUA2uz0sAgi7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<001c01d150a6$360140a0$a203c1e0$@charter.net>
	<569ABEC9.9030400@flex.com>
Message-ID: <002c01d150ad$21191030$634b3090$@charter.net>

Thanks for the reply, I hope that it's the board, that way I can send in the "broke" one and see if they can fix it cheaper than a new one. That way I would be halfway to getting my K3 updated hi hi.

Anyway I got My dad's set up for him and he is tickled to have a good rig for CW. He'll just use RIT for DX and he is good with that for now.

73,
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Merv Schweigert [mailto:k9fd at flex.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:06 PM
To: Jeff <k8kzb at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver problem with KSYN3A

Jeff,  not sure if anyone answered your real question,  but yes have seen several posts about the new Synth board stop working, and a couple not working from the factory,  same problem as you have,  no green light etc.
Seems to be some are having the problems,  not many but a few.

73 Merv K9FD/KH6

> I worked it with Howard from Elecraft and everything points to the board but also wanted to run it through here to see if anyone else had a problem like that. My K3 is an older one with the older Synthesizer boards so I can?t do any ?swaptronix? with the boards.
>
>   
>
> From: guyk2av at gmail.com [mailto:guyk2av at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Guy 
> Olinger K2AV
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 3:58 PM
> To: Jeff <k8kzb at charter.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver problem with KSYN3A
>
>   
>
> I hope that you worked that problem through with Elecraft Tech Support on the phone, particularly since there's the cost of a KSYN3A involved. Some troubles have so much stuff floating around to sort through that it's just plain difficult to work it via email.
>
>   
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>   
>
>




From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 16 17:39:06 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:39:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT} K5P   Palmyra Mystery Island
In-Reply-To: <887E0F8A8E8A4F8FAE3A724B6420C845@DOUG1>
References: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl><56999E38.90709@foothill.net><BAY406-EAS158F7E69F8E3DEBDA81BD66D9CE0@phx.gbl>	<569AAEA8.1030600@sonic.net>
	<887E0F8A8E8A4F8FAE3A724B6420C845@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <004901d150ae$b5b8e520$212aaf60$@earthlink.net>

Two videos cover the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkSHtqxKj8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqaYWdZ9BlM

73
Fred, AE6QL
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:31 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT} K5P Palmyra Mystery Island


Dear OMs and Yls,
      Elecraft is a sponsor so perhaps this off topic account of Palmyra
Island is of interest.   EI6IL did some research on Palmyra and came up with
this link which gives an interesting account of dark happenings on Palmyra
Atoll.    A read of this may add some spice to your hunt.   Good luck.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/07/the-cursed-paradise-of-palmyra-atoll/

                73 Doug EI2CN



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From ebasilier at cox.net  Sat Jan 16 18:29:21 2016
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:29:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
In-Reply-To: <6l7g1s00M45oxQM01l7hrE>
References: <41hp1s00K45oxQM011hqHX> <41Ba1s00W45oxQM011Bbr1>
	<6l7g1s00M45oxQM01l7hrE>
Message-ID: <060701d150b5$baa54130$2fefc390$@cox.net>

The modular nature of the K3 is a wonderful thing, in that it allows the
hardware to be upgradeable. However, it does open up questions of
compatibility. When major specifications change, such as with the
introduction of the K3S, the potential for confusion increases. After
advertising my KRX3 with accessories for sale, I have received emails,
especially from beginners, showing a great deal of confusion. Configuring
the radio from scratch can be hard enough for someone without experience,
and on top of that, people are thinking of upgrades the mix components from
the K3 and the K3S.

Let me make it perfectly clear: My equipment for sale comes from a K3 of
years ago, and is meant for someone who wants to add to their K3, not
nexessarily for someone who wants to add to their K3S, nor necessarily for
someone who wants to migrate their K3 to become like a K3S. However, the
radios are very similar, and some parts may work in either radio. Personally
I have no experience with the K3S, and I have been away from the list for
the past year, so I don't know if the details of compatibility have already
been covered at length. Maybe someone at Elecraft would like to chime in at
this point to clear up the confusion that obviously still exists.

In the absence of authoritative facts to the contrary, I can merely
speculate about most of the compatibility questions. It seems clear to me
that the roofing filters have not changed at all, and work the same in both
radios.  As to the General Receive Option, I would be surprised if the
pinout and physical fit is any different between the K3 version and the K3S
version. Thus I guess the one from my K3 would "work" in a K3S, but I don't
know for sure. And if it "works", does that mean you can use it in the
context of receiving the very low frequences for experimental bands that are
supported by the K3S? I would guess the answer is NO, unless the K3S is so
designed that those very low frequencies bypass the General Coverage option
board. What about the KRX3 itself? Can it be used in a K3S? Again, I don't
know for sure, but I see no reason why not, except that it lacks coverage of
those very low receive frequencies. I would guess that the limitation is not
in the KRX3 board itself, but rather in the synthesizer board. I do believe
that the new synthesizer has the same form factor and pinout as the old one,
so you would probably be able to upgrade the KRX3 to cover the very low
bands by buying a new synthesizer. Again, I may be wrong.

73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Erik
Basilier
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 2:07 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters

The KRX3 is still available, and I am still trying to sell it in combination
with associated options, rather than making a lot of separate transactions.
Of course, I don't expect anyone to want every filter from my 2nd receiver,
so once the main pieces are sold, I expect some filters to become available
for individual sale. 

To make a combination sale more attractive, I am now offering a special
package price:
- KRX3 (including the older synthesizer typically found in a K3)
- SSB filter upgrade to 2.8 kHz 8-pole
- KBPF3 general receive option
Package price for this combination is now $600 + shipping.

If you are interested in this package and want to add additional filter(s),
please let me know your requirements and I can make you a special price. The
additional filters I have are: 
6.0 kHz
1.8 kHz
500 Hz (a matched pair may be available)
200 Hz (a matched pair is definitely available)

Oh, and if anyone has an INRAD 700 Hz filter for sale, please let me know.

73,
Erik K7TV


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Erik
Basilier
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 6:11 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters

Please understand: The buyer of the KRX3 will have the first to be able to
buy any or all of the other pieces. Once that deal is closed, any left-over
pieces will be available to others.

Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net

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From lists at subich.com  Sat Jan 16 18:54:12 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale KRX3, BPF3 and filters
In-Reply-To: <060701d150b5$baa54130$2fefc390$@cox.net>
References: <41hp1s00K45oxQM011hqHX> <41Ba1s00W45oxQM011Bbr1>
	<6l7g1s00M45oxQM01l7hrE> <060701d150b5$baa54130$2fefc390$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <569AD824.5090303@subich.com>


On 1/16/2016 6:29 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
> In the absence of authoritative facts to the contrary, I can merely
> speculate about most of the compatibility questions. It seems clear
> to me that the roofing filters have not changed at all, and work the
> same inboth radios.

Eric and Wayne have both stated unequivocally that other than one new
bypass capacitor on the +5V regulator (to reduce noise that impacts
frequencies below 500 KHz), the current KRX3 is no different than the
one in the "original" K3.  Your KRX3/accessories will work in any
version of the K3/K3S.

The only issue would be the need to match versions of the KSYN3.  If the 
KRX3 is going into a K3S one would need a KSYN3A.  If the KRX3 is
going into a K3 with upgraded (KSYN3A) synthesizer the KRX3 will need
the upgraded (KSYN3) synthesizer.  If the KRX3 is going into an older
K3 with original (KSYN3) synthesizer the KRX3 will need a KSYN3 and not
the KSYN3A.

Bottom line ... if the target transceiver has a KSYN3A installed,
anyone purchasing your KRX3 will need to purchase a KSYN3A from
Elecraft in order to make use of it.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Sat Jan 16 18:56:24 2016
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:56:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 2016 Visalia Top Band Dinner
Message-ID: <92AC564C-E02E-4660-8A80-AE548DF659B1@mac.com>

Announcing the 2016 Top Band Dinner at the Visalia IDXC April 15, 2016.
Craig Thompson, K9CT, will present: ?Top Band from Palmyra, K5P.?
There will be a self-serve buffet dinner and door prizes.
Complete details and registration information can be found at http://topbanddinner.jimdo.com

73! - Steve WB6RSE


From ccflxtc at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 20:53:25 2016
From: ccflxtc at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:53:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Low power KX1
Message-ID: <3F436BB3DCDC49D38E70DDFE13868881@richiePC>

From: Richard [mailto:richard at inparadise.us] 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
Subject: Low power KX1


I am very new to the world of CW.  Several months ago I built a KX1.  Once I
was able to receive with it, I built the 30-80 band set, and once it was
installed and working, I built the ATU.  With the ATU was the first time I
was able to measure power.  I am only getting .4W out of internal, and 1W
with a 13 volt power supply.  So I did the power modification changing the
resistors, and now I get .6 internal and 2W with 13V.
 
I could sure use some advice.  I do not have a bridge or watt meter.  I do
have a good scope   Can I measure the signal voltage across 50 ohms?
 
Thank you in advance.
 
           Richard

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 17 02:10:35 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 02:10:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Low power KX1
In-Reply-To: <3F436BB3DCDC49D38E70DDFE13868881@richiePC>
References: <3F436BB3DCDC49D38E70DDFE13868881@richiePC>
Message-ID: <569B3E6B.30608@embarqmail.com>

Richard,

Take a careful look at the Low Pass Filter board for the KXB3080 
option.  Count the turns.  Each time the wire passes through the toroid 
core is one turn.  Make certain you have the correct number of turns.  
That LPF is the downfall of many builders.  In addition, count the turns 
on T1 - the ame thing applies.
Also on the same toroids, be certain the leads were well stripped and 
tinned.  Look at the solder side.  If you can see a ring around the 
lead, that lead was not adequately stripped and tinned.  You should be 
able to see a small bit of tinned lead on the component side of the board.
The LPF board should be *exactly* like that shown in the KXB3080 option 
manual illustrations.  There is no room for exceptions.  Be certain the 
green lead of L2 is oriented away from red lead #4.

You will need an external QRP wattmeter to properly calibrate the 
wattmeter in the KXAT1, but if you have a good 50 ohm dummy load, you 
can use your 'scope to measure the RF voltage across it.  Use a 10X 
probe on the 'scope and measure the peak to peak voltage.  If the dummy 
load is sealed, use a T adapter to gain access to the center conductor.
The power is the square of the peak to peak voltage divided by 400. 
Derivation of that formula is "left to the student".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2016 8:53 PM, Richard wrote:
> From: Richard [mailto:richard at inparadise.us]
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:50 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
> Subject: Low power KX1
>
>
> I am very new to the world of CW.  Several months ago I built a KX1.  Once I
> was able to receive with it, I built the 30-80 band set, and once it was
> installed and working, I built the ATU.  With the ATU was the first time I
> was able to measure power.  I am only getting .4W out of internal, and 1W
> with a 13 volt power supply.  So I did the power modification changing the
> resistors, and now I get .6 internal and 2W with 13V.
>   
> I could sure use some advice.  I do not have a bridge or watt meter.  I do
> have a good scope   Can I measure the signal voltage across 50 ohms?
>   
> Thank you in advance.
>   
>             Richard
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun Jan 17 05:47:23 2016
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 10:47:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Low power KX1
In-Reply-To: <3F436BB3DCDC49D38E70DDFE13868881@richiePC>
References: <3F436BB3DCDC49D38E70DDFE13868881@richiePC>
Message-ID: <1070452436.5587532.1453027643705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Richard,
Please have a look of my review :

 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/3586
There are some construction hints.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

      ???? Richard <ccflxtc at gmail.com>
 ???? Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 ????? 2016?01?17? (??) 9:53 AM
 ??? [Elecraft] Low power KX1
   
From: Richard [mailto:richard at inparadise.us] 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
Subject: Low power KX1


I am very new to the world of CW.? Several months ago I built a KX1.? Once I
was able to receive with it, I built the 30-80 band set, and once it was
installed and working, I built the ATU.? With the ATU was the first time I
was able to measure power.? I am only getting .4W out of internal, and 1W
with a 13 volt power supply.? So I did the power modification changing the
resistors, and now I get .6 internal and 2W with 13V.
 
I could sure use some advice.? I do not have a bridge or watt meter.? I do
have a good scope? Can I measure the signal voltage across 50 ohms?
 
Thank you in advance.
 
? ? ? ? ? Richard
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From w2lj at verizon.net  Sun Jan 17 10:28:34 2016
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 10:28:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Tonight is the January RFTB
Message-ID: <e2f5e1f59a62c448a840db1836a29892@192.168.1.2>

Sunday night is the January 2016 edition of the Run For The Bacon.

Happy New Year!

A friendly QRP Sprint that is held on the 3rd Sunday evening of every month, and is sponsored by the Flying Pigs Amateur Radio Club, International. 

The sprint is the same time, ragardless of time change:
East Coast - 9:00 to 11:00 PM local time 
Midwest - 8:00 to 10:00 PM local time.
Mountains - 7:00 to 9:00 PM local time.
West Coast - 6:00 to 8:00 PM local time.

Complete rules can be found at http://fpqrp.org/pigrun

Beginning thsi month, 1st 2nd and 3rd place certificates will be e-mailed to the Top Three placeholders!

And for 2016 - we will be taking attendance!  All those who participate in all 12 RFTBs (no matter your score) for 2016 will earn a special "Piggie Memento" at the end pf the year.
So make sure to join in the fun and make sure to enter your score in the Autolog!

72, "oo" es see you on the bands!
Larry W2LJ - Flying Pig #612

From w9ac at arrl.net  Sun Jan 17 11:10:09 2016
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:10:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Optimizing K3 Mini Speaker Gain with RemoteRig
Message-ID: <004901d15141$8a3ad2d0$9eb07870$@arrl.net>

Since last May, I've been using a K3 Mini with RemoteRig.  Apart from one
anomaly, operating the K3 Mini has been a great experience.  However, when
using RemoteRig, K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW
side-tone is even louder.  However, receive audio and side-tone level in
headphones is excellent.  If one tries to reduce CODEC gain in the
RemoteRig, then headphone audio suffers and low-level digital artifacts
start becoming detectable.  

The fix inside the K3 Mini involves replacement of two (2) "603" size SMT
resistors at R39 and R40.  The stock values are 15K.  I changed these to
100K.  This results in a computed gain close to zero (Av = 1) for the
speaker amp and allows it to be used as a current driver for the speakers.
After the modification, speaker audio approximates headphone level without
excessively loud receive audio and side-tone.  This change may affect
operation of the K3 Mini when a RemoteRig is not used in some applications.
However, probably most K3 Mini owners use theirs with a RemoteRig.

Suggestion to Elecraft:  if there was a design reason for so much speaker
gain, consider placing 0.100" headers on a future PCB revision to allow
jumper selection of either the 15K resistors or 100K.  

Many thanks for a great product.

Paul, W9AC


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jan 17 12:27:37 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:27:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Optimizing K3 Mini Speaker Gain with RemoteRig
In-Reply-To: <004901d15141$8a3ad2d0$9eb07870$@arrl.net>
References: <004901d15141$8a3ad2d0$9eb07870$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <569BCF09.1060804@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,1/17/2016 8:10 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>   if there was a design reason for so much speaker gain,

One reason that comes to mind is many users are of an age where we have 
a lot of hearing loss. :)

73, Jim K9YC

From dj0qn at gmx.net  Sun Jan 17 12:55:04 2016
From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mitch_Wolfson=2c_DJ=c3=98QN_/_K7DX?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Optimizing K3 Mini Speaker Gain with RemoteRig
In-Reply-To: <004901d15141$8a3ad2d0$9eb07870$@arrl.net>
References: <004901d15141$8a3ad2d0$9eb07870$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <569BD578.9080707@gmx.net>

Note that the default RemoteRig setting in the control RRC gives a loud 
CW sidetone. This can be easily lowered by going into the keyer settings 
and change "side tone -db" to another number.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX
10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
Skype: mitchwo
USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171
Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436

On 17.01.2016 11:10, Paul Christensen wrote:
> Since last May, I've been using a K3 Mini with RemoteRig.  Apart from one
> anomaly, operating the K3 Mini has been a great experience.  However, when
> using RemoteRig, K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW
> side-tone is even louder.  However, receive audio and side-tone level in
> headphones is excellent.  If one tries to reduce CODEC gain in the
> RemoteRig, then headphone audio suffers and low-level digital artifacts
> start becoming detectable.
>
> The fix inside the K3 Mini involves replacement of two (2) "603" size SMT
> resistors at R39 and R40.  The stock values are 15K.  I changed these to
> 100K.  This results in a computed gain close to zero (Av = 1) for the
> speaker amp and allows it to be used as a current driver for the speakers.
> After the modification, speaker audio approximates headphone level without
> excessively loud receive audio and side-tone.  This change may affect
> operation of the K3 Mini when a RemoteRig is not used in some applications.
> However, probably most K3 Mini owners use theirs with a RemoteRig.
>
> Suggestion to Elecraft:  if there was a design reason for so much speaker
> gain, consider placing 0.100" headers on a future PCB revision to allow
> jumper selection of either the 15K resistors or 100K.
>
> Many thanks for a great product.
>
> Paul, W9AC
>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 13:12:15 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:12:15 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT} K5P   Palmyra Mystery Island
In-Reply-To: <887E0F8A8E8A4F8FAE3A724B6420C845@DOUG1>
References: <BAY406-EAS113CFEAE4841019459E881CD9CE0@phx.gbl>
	<56999E38.90709@foothill.net>
	<BAY406-EAS158F7E69F8E3DEBDA81BD66D9CE0@phx.gbl>
	<569AAEA8.1030600@sonic.net>
	<887E0F8A8E8A4F8FAE3A724B6420C845@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <560F794D-ED0A-4A41-B514-70C5A82E2B6D@gmail.com>

Possibly this explains the deliberate QRM, which so far is all I can hear on their frequency.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On 16 Jan 2016, at 11:30 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear OMs and Yls,
>      Elecraft is a sponsor so perhaps this off topic account of Palmyra
> Island is of interest.   EI6IL did some research on Palmyra and came up with
> this link which gives an interesting account of dark happenings on Palmyra
> Atoll.    A read of this may add some spice to your hunt.   Good luck.
> 
> http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/07/the-cursed-paradise-of-palmyra-atoll/
> 
>                73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> 
> 
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From w9ac at arrl.net  Sun Jan 17 13:12:39 2016
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 13:12:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Optimizing K3 Mini Speaker Gain with RemoteRig
Message-ID: <000001d15152$a7439f90$f5cadeb0$@arrl.net>

> "Note that the default RemoteRig setting in the control RRC gives a loud 
CW sidetone. This can be easily lowered by going into the keyer settings 
and change "side tone -db" to another number."

As discussed in my post, a change in RRC sidetone level also affects
sidetone level in the headphones.  Reducing the sidetone level alone can
create an imbalance between speaker and headphone audio -- enough to be an
annoyance for me.  In my case, if I reduce RRC CW sidetone level to
eliminate speaker blasting, the sidetone level in headphones is too low.
Moreover, reducing RRC CODEC gain to avoid speaker blasting results in
digital artifacts in some sensitive headphones.  

This may not bother others -- and RRC menu changes may be an acceptable
compromise to some users.  But the resistor change significantly optimizes
and rebalances level between the two output stages when using the K3 Mini
with the RemoteRig RRC.  The end result is a rebalancing of receive audio
and sidetone level between speaker and headphones with no addition of
digital noise or other artifacts.  

Paul, W9AC 


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Christensen [mailto:w9ac at arrl.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:10 AM
To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Optimizing K3 Mini Speaker Gain with RemoteRig

Since last May, I've been using a K3 Mini with RemoteRig.  Apart from one
anomaly, operating the K3 Mini has been a great experience.  However, when
using RemoteRig, K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW
side-tone is even louder.  However, receive audio and side-tone level in
headphones is excellent.  If one tries to reduce CODEC gain in the
RemoteRig, then headphone audio suffers and low-level digital artifacts
start becoming detectable.  

The fix inside the K3 Mini involves replacement of two (2) "603" size SMT
resistors at R39 and R40.  The stock values are 15K.  I changed these to
100K.  This results in a computed gain close to zero (Av = 1) for the
speaker amp and allows it to be used as a current driver for the speakers.
After the modification, speaker audio approximates headphone level without
excessively loud receive audio and side-tone.  This change may affect
operation of the K3 Mini when a RemoteRig is not used in some applications.
However, probably most K3 Mini owners use theirs with a RemoteRig.

Suggestion to Elecraft:  if there was a design reason for so much speaker
gain, consider placing 0.100" headers on a future PCB revision to allow
jumper selection of either the 15K resistors or 100K.  

Many thanks for a great product.

Paul, W9AC


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jan 17 14:36:00 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:36:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <569BED20.5090303@coho.net>

Good Morning,
     Please join us this afternoon and evening for the CW Nets. I was 
able to repair the multiple breaks in my antenna and raise it into a 
flat top arrangement.  It will take a calm day with blue skies before I 
can shoot a line to raise it to an inverted V configuration.  That may 
have to wait for the dry season :)

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

    73,
        Kevin.  KD5ONS

From ccflxtc at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 16:11:38 2016
From: ccflxtc at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Low power KX1
In-Reply-To: <569B3E6B.30608@embarqmail.com>
References: <3F436BB3DCDC49D38E70DDFE13868881@richiePC>
	<569B3E6B.30608@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <E87BCF8E38FE434C975CBE1B983E5216@richiePC>

Thank you Don and Ray,

The information proved valuable.  Just pushing around on the toroids made a
change so I knew I had a bad connection somewhere.  With minor surgery I was
able to reheat the joints, and without the ATU board installed I have 40 to
48 VPP across the bands.  I also found that my dummy load was highly
inductive, going over 5 to 1 @ 14Mhz. (using a rigexpert AA-30) I made a new
one that came out at 51ohms resistive.

I think I have something attenuating the signal in the ATU board, as after
it, in both cal and tune modes I have quite a drop in signal.

Results         No tuner       tuner in cal      tuner in tune
3                 51v              25                 20
7                 48v              30                 27
10                46v              45                 45
14                40v              27                 19

 In the test modes, I can hear each relay click. And in cal mode they look
like they bypass by shorting the inductors, so I am lost.  My electronic
skill is at "I wish I had a lot more"  Any and all help is appriciated.

Thank you in advance. 
       Richard
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:11 AM
To: richard at inparadise.us; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low power KX1

Richard,

Take a careful look at the Low Pass Filter board for the KXB3080 option.
Count the turns.  Each time the wire passes through the toroid core is one
turn.  Make certain you have the correct number of turns.  
That LPF is the downfall of many builders.  In addition, count the turns on
T1 - the ame thing applies.
Also on the same toroids, be certain the leads were well stripped and
tinned.  Look at the solder side.  If you can see a ring around the lead,
that lead was not adequately stripped and tinned.  You should be able to see
a small bit of tinned lead on the component side of the board.
The LPF board should be *exactly* like that shown in the KXB3080 option
manual illustrations.  There is no room for exceptions.  Be certain the
green lead of L2 is oriented away from red lead #4.

You will need an external QRP wattmeter to properly calibrate the wattmeter
in the KXAT1, but if you have a good 50 ohm dummy load, you can use your
'scope to measure the RF voltage across it.  Use a 10X probe on the 'scope
and measure the peak to peak voltage.  If the dummy load is sealed, use a T
adapter to gain access to the center conductor.
The power is the square of the peak to peak voltage divided by 400. 
Derivation of that formula is "left to the student".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2016 8:53 PM, Richard wrote:
> From: Richard [mailto:richard at inparadise.us]
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:50 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
> Subject: Low power KX1
>
>
> I am very new to the world of CW.  Several months ago I built a KX1.  Once
I
> was able to receive with it, I built the 30-80 band set, and once it was
> installed and working, I built the ATU.  With the ATU was the first time I
> was able to measure power.  I am only getting .4W out of internal, and 1W
> with a 13 volt power supply.  So I did the power modification changing the
> resistors, and now I get .6 internal and 2W with 13V.
>   
> I could sure use some advice.  I do not have a bridge or watt meter.  I do
> have a good scope   Can I measure the signal voltage across 50 ohms?
>   
> Thank you in advance.
>   
>             Richard
> ______________________________________________________________
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun Jan 17 19:58:23 2016
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 00:58:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  Low power KX1
In-Reply-To: <E87BCF8E38FE434C975CBE1B983E5216@richiePC>
References: <E87BCF8E38FE434C975CBE1B983E5216@richiePC>
Message-ID: <1414035773.5623091.1453078703368.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Richard,
Can you get full power output without the installation of the KXAT1? If yes, they can concentrate your trouble shoot on the KXAT1 only. ?Below is an extract from my review in eham. 

"The tiny LPF1 pcb of KXB3080 is to be situated in the tight space formed between the C46-C49& C54 area of KX1 and R3-R4 & C10 area of KXAT1. Therefore, Page 3 of KXAT1 manual, R3, R4& C10 should be soldered on the component side and cut flush on the other side".

See whether there are component leads from the KXAT1 touch the KX1 components.
73
Johnny VR2XMC      ???? Richard <ccflxtc at gmail.com>
 ???? Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 ????? 2016?01?18? (??) 5:11 AM
 ??? Re: [Elecraft] Low power KX1
   
Thank you Don and Ray,

The information proved valuable.? Just pushing around on the toroids made a
change so I knew I had a bad connection somewhere.? With minor surgery I was
able to reheat the joints, and without the ATU board installed I have 40 to
48 VPP across the bands.? I also found that my dummy load was highly
inductive, going over 5 to 1 @ 14Mhz. (using a rigexpert AA-30) I made a new
one that came out at 51ohms resistive.

I think I have something attenuating the signal in the ATU board, as after
it, in both cal and tune modes I have quite a drop in signal.

Results? ? ? ? No tuner? ? ? tuner in cal? ? ? tuner in tune
3? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 51v? ? ? ? ? ? ? 25? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 20
7? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 48v? ? ? ? ? ? ? 30? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 27
10? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 46v? ? ? ? ? ? ? 45? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 45
14? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 40v? ? ? ? ? ? ? 27? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 19

 In the test modes, I can hear each relay click. And in cal mode they look
like they bypass by shorting the inductors, so I am lost.? My electronic
skill is at "I wish I had a lot more"? Any and all help is appriciated.

Thank you in advance. 
? ? ? Richard
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:11 AM
To: richard at inparadise.us; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low power KX1

Richard,

Take a careful look at the Low Pass Filter board for the KXB3080 option.
Count the turns.? Each time the wire passes through the toroid core is one
turn.? Make certain you have the correct number of turns.? 
That LPF is the downfall of many builders.? In addition, count the turns on
T1 - the ame thing applies.
Also on the same toroids, be certain the leads were well stripped and
tinned.? Look at the solder side.? If you can see a ring around the lead,
that lead was not adequately stripped and tinned.? You should be able to see
a small bit of tinned lead on the component side of the board.
The LPF board should be *exactly* like that shown in the KXB3080 option
manual illustrations.? There is no room for exceptions.? Be certain the
green lead of L2 is oriented away from red lead #4.

You will need an external QRP wattmeter to properly calibrate the wattmeter
in the KXAT1, but if you have a good 50 ohm dummy load, you can use your
'scope to measure the RF voltage across it.? Use a 10X probe on the 'scope
and measure the peak to peak voltage.? If the dummy load is sealed, use a T
adapter to gain access to the center conductor.
The power is the square of the peak to peak voltage divided by 400. 
Derivation of that formula is "left to the student".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2016 8:53 PM, Richard wrote:
> From: Richard [mailto:richard at inparadise.us]
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:50 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
> Subject: Low power KX1
>
>
> I am very new to the world of CW.? Several months ago I built a KX1.? Once
I
> was able to receive with it, I built the 30-80 band set, and once it was
> installed and working, I built the ATU.? With the ATU was the first time I
> was able to measure power.? I am only getting .4W out of internal, and 1W
> with a 13 volt power supply.? So I did the power modification changing the
> resistors, and now I get .6 internal and 2W with 13V.
>? 
> I could sure use some advice.? I do not have a bridge or watt meter.? I do
> have a good scope? Can I measure the signal voltage across 50 ohms?
>? 
> Thank you in advance.
>? 
>? ? ? ? ? ? Richard
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 17 21:18:31 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:18:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Low power KX1
In-Reply-To: <E87BCF8E38FE434C975CBE1B983E5216@richiePC>
References: <3F436BB3DCDC49D38E70DDFE13868881@richiePC>
	<569B3E6B.30608@embarqmail.com>
	<E87BCF8E38FE434C975CBE1B983E5216@richiePC>
Message-ID: <569C4B77.7090701@embarqmail.com>

Richard,

The power from the basic KX1 is good - excellent work there.
You apparently have something awry in the KXAT1 (it looks good on 30 
meters, but the other bands have problems).

Look the KXAT1 over for soldering problems - solder bridges, 
inadequately heated solder connections (reflow with a soldering 
temperature of 750 degF), and properly stripped and tinned toroid leads.

Good analysis on the dummy load.

On 1/17/2016 4:11 PM, Richard wrote:
> Thank you Don and Ray,
>
> The information proved valuable.  Just pushing around on the toroids made a
> change so I knew I had a bad connection somewhere.  With minor surgery I was
> able to reheat the joints, and without the ATU board installed I have 40 to
> 48 VPP across the bands.  I also found that my dummy load was highly
> inductive, going over 5 to 1 @ 14Mhz. (using a rigexpert AA-30) I made a new
> one that came out at 51ohms resistive.
>
> I think I have something attenuating the signal in the ATU board, as after
> it, in both cal and tune modes I have quite a drop in signal.
>
> Results         No tuner       tuner in cal      tuner in tune
> 3                 51v              25                 20
> 7                 48v              30                 27
> 10                46v              45                 45
> 14                40v              27                 19
>
>   In the test modes, I can hear each relay click. And in cal mode they look
> like they bypass by shorting the inductors, so I am lost.  My electronic
> skill is at "I wish I had a lot more"  Any and all help is appriciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>         Richard
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:11 AM
> To: richard at inparadise.us; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low power KX1
>
> Richard,
>
> Take a careful look at the Low Pass Filter board for the KXB3080 option.
> Count the turns.  Each time the wire passes through the toroid core is one
> turn.  Make certain you have the correct number of turns.
> That LPF is the downfall of many builders.  In addition, count the turns on
> T1 - the ame thing applies.
> Also on the same toroids, be certain the leads were well stripped and
> tinned.  Look at the solder side.  If you can see a ring around the lead,
> that lead was not adequately stripped and tinned.  You should be able to see
> a small bit of tinned lead on the component side of the board.
> The LPF board should be *exactly* like that shown in the KXB3080 option
> manual illustrations.  There is no room for exceptions.  Be certain the
> green lead of L2 is oriented away from red lead #4.
>
> You will need an external QRP wattmeter to properly calibrate the wattmeter
> in the KXAT1, but if you have a good 50 ohm dummy load, you can use your
> 'scope to measure the RF voltage across it.  Use a 10X probe on the 'scope
> and measure the peak to peak voltage.  If the dummy load is sealed, use a T
> adapter to gain access to the center conductor.
> The power is the square of the peak to peak voltage divided by 400.
> Derivation of that formula is "left to the student".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/16/2016 8:53 PM, Richard wrote:
>> From: Richard [mailto:richard at inparadise.us]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:50 PM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
>> Subject: Low power KX1
>>
>>
>> I am very new to the world of CW.  Several months ago I built a KX1.  Once
> I
>> was able to receive with it, I built the 30-80 band set, and once it was
>> installed and working, I built the ATU.  With the ATU was the first time I
>> was able to measure power.  I am only getting .4W out of internal, and 1W
>> with a 13 volt power supply.  So I did the power modification changing the
>> resistors, and now I get .6 internal and 2W with 13V.
>>    
>> I could sure use some advice.  I do not have a bridge or watt meter.  I do
>> have a good scope   Can I measure the signal voltage across 50 ohms?
>>    
>> Thank you in advance.
>>    
>>              Richard
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
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>
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From w4ish at w4ish.net  Sun Jan 17 21:35:24 2016
From: w4ish at w4ish.net (W4ISH)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:35:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 query
Message-ID: <C82CA335-AAC6-4C9A-A30B-53B72179A409@w4ish.net>

I have the KX3 and the KPA500 and KAT500 (just sold the K3 and saving for the K3S) and I was wondering if it is possible to connect the KX3 Serial line through either the KAT500 or the KPA500 so that they could read the frequency and automatically switch to the correct band/preset tune as the frequency of the KX3 is varied.  I realize that a short ?dit? or two will allow it to make the switchover, but I would like to do it without having to send the ?dit?

Bill

From lew at n6lew.us  Mon Jan 18 15:00:05 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:00:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 wanted
Message-ID: <759FED9E-2A61-4D76-A0DD-DF7876117EFC@n6lew.us>

If anyone has upgraded to the new KIO3B and has a surplus ?original? KIO3 available, I?d be interested in buying it.  Please reply off list and let me know your price.

Lew

Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us

Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.






From radioham at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 18 15:16:12 2016
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:16:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Message Memories
Message-ID: <C20A7F56-FCDC-4BF3-BE22-C5DE696CC132@mchsi.com>

I have myself confused.  Is the KDVR3 required to use the CW message memories? At first I thought it wasn?t but I used the K3 Utility to load some messages into the CW memories.  Then I placed the K3 into test mode and CW mode.  When I press any of the M1-M4 keys I get the message  ?NO DVR? in the VFO B area.  So is the KDVR3 required or am I doing something wrong.  Neither the K3 manual or the Cady book have helped me understand this.  Neither says the KDVR3 is needed and the KDVR3 manual only talks about voice recording which implies it is not involved with CW message memories.

David K0LUM


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jan 18 15:38:24 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:38:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Message Memories
In-Reply-To: <C20A7F56-FCDC-4BF3-BE22-C5DE696CC132@mchsi.com>
References: <C20A7F56-FCDC-4BF3-BE22-C5DE696CC132@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4647CFB3-C1AD-4575-BCA5-DBBD7FC036C7@widomaker.com>

You are correct that the KDVR3 is not needed for CW messages.  However, you must be in CW mode (or one of the two DATA sub-modes PSK-D or FSK-D) for these messages to work.  And, if you are set to SPLIT operation, VFO B must also be in CW mode.

They also work in TEST mode.  However, be careful, my K3S MODE button is more fussy than the button on my K3 and sometimes when trying to get the TEST mode, I press the  button not quite right and it goes to SSB/LSB so that when I press it again, now i?m in TEST mode, but in SSB instead of CW.

?bill  nr4c

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:16 PM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
> 
> I have myself confused.  Is the KDVR3 required to use the CW message memories? At first I thought it wasn?t but I used the K3 Utility to load some messages into the CW memories.  Then I placed the K3 into test mode and CW mode.  When I press any of the M1-M4 keys I get the message  ?NO DVR? in the VFO B area.  So is the KDVR3 required or am I doing something wrong.  Neither the K3 manual or the Cady book have helped me understand this.  Neither says the KDVR3 is needed and the KDVR3 manual only talks about voice recording which implies it is not involved with CW message memories.
> 
> David K0LUM
> 
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From jkramer at iafrica.com  Mon Jan 18 15:43:58 2016
From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:43:58 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
Message-ID: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>

Someone on this reflector suggested a power supply off eBay, that could be used 
with the KX3 about 2 months ago. It is intended for Toshiba laptops. So I bought one, 
this is the one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22>

It terminates in the right plug for the KX3 and is rated at 15 volts at max 5 amps, and only sells 
for $ 7.79 including free shipping from Hong Kong.
Anyway, it is cheap as chips so I bought one, and it arrived today. I hooked up to a volt meter
and see it is 15.4 volts. I know it is better for TX IMD to have higher voltage supplied to the 
KX3 rather than a voltage too low, but I am concerned that 15.4 volts may be too much
for the KX3. I see in the KX3 manual specs, that recommended supply voltage is 8 - 15 volts.
I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??anyone know if there would be any short
or long term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3 ? It is just slightly above the 
maximum recommended supply voltage

73
John, ZS5J.

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Jan 18 15:45:02 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:45:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S K3 KIO3
Message-ID: <002601d15231$1ae93020$50bb9060$@verizon.net>

Installed a KIO3B kit. I have extra the KIO3 that shipped with the rig
several years ago. The KIO3 works fine.

 

KIO3A Main board

D-sub RS232 IO Board - pullup resistors have been added.

Audio IO Module with 4 of the coils jumpered out as per one of the earlier
mods.

KIO3 Panel.

Mounting hardware - does not include the stand-off as it is needed for the
KIO3B.

 

If interested make a realistic offer plus postage,

 

73,

N2TK, Tony


From radioham at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 18 15:50:23 2016
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:50:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Message Memories
In-Reply-To: <4647CFB3-C1AD-4575-BCA5-DBBD7FC036C7@widomaker.com>
References: <C20A7F56-FCDC-4BF3-BE22-C5DE696CC132@mchsi.com>
	<4647CFB3-C1AD-4575-BCA5-DBBD7FC036C7@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <A202374C-5CF0-48ED-AEA8-E5F8462A3700@mchsi.com>

You nailed it.  That took care of it.  I forgot that I needed to press A>B twice.

Thank you


David K0LUM

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Bill Conkling <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> You are correct that the KDVR3 is not needed for CW messages.  However, you must be in CW mode (or one of the two DATA sub-modes PSK-D or FSK-D) for these messages to work.  And, if you are set to SPLIT operation, VFO B must also be in CW mode.
> 
> They also work in TEST mode.  However, be careful, my K3S MODE button is more fussy than the button on my K3 and sometimes when trying to get the TEST mode, I press the  button not quite right and it goes to SSB/LSB so that when I press it again, now i?m in TEST mode, but in SSB instead of CW.
> 
> ?bill  nr4c
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:16 PM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have myself confused.  Is the KDVR3 required to use the CW message memories? At first I thought it wasn?t but I used the K3 Utility to load some messages into the CW memories.  Then I placed the K3 into test mode and CW mode.  When I press any of the M1-M4 keys I get the message  ?NO DVR? in the VFO B area.  So is the KDVR3 required or am I doing something wrong.  Neither the K3 manual or the Cady book have helped me understand this.  Neither says the KDVR3 is needed and the KDVR3 manual only talks about voice recording which implies it is not involved with CW message memories.
>> 
>> David K0LUM
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From lew at n6lew.us  Mon Jan 18 16:07:21 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:07:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S K3 KIO3
In-Reply-To: <002601d15231$1ae93020$50bb9060$@verizon.net>
References: <002601d15231$1ae93020$50bb9060$@verizon.net>
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Folks, my need for a KIO3 has been met.  Thanks.

Lew N6LEW



From bob at hogbytes.com  Mon Jan 18 16:09:54 2016
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:09:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
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The KX3 will shut down if the voltage is too high.



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From jkramer at iafrica.com  Mon Jan 18 16:17:43 2016
From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 23:17:43 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <1453151394602-7612736.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
	<1453151394602-7612736.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C19B4D52-0500-407F-8142-34FF281629DC@iafrica.com>

Thanks for the info Bob, and it?s reassuring to see that the KX3 has protection for 
over voltage.
One caveat with this PSU - I just tried to insert the DC plug from this  PSU to the KX3, 
and I see it is too large for the KX3. Not a big deal, I will just cut it off and fit the correct
size DC plug

73

John, ZS5J




On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:09 PM, Bob N3MNT <bob at hogbytes.com> wrote:

The KX3 will shut down if the voltage is too high.





Someone on this reflector suggested a power supply off eBay, that could be used 
with the KX3 about 2 months ago. It is intended for Toshiba laptops. So I bought one, 
this is the one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22>

It terminates in the right plug for the KX3 and is rated at 15 volts at max 5 amps, and only sells 
for $ 7.79 including free shipping from Hong Kong.
Anyway, it is cheap as chips so I bought one, and it arrived today. I hooked up to a volt meter
and see it is 15.4 volts. I know it is better for TX IMD to have higher voltage supplied to the 
KX3 rather than a voltage too low, but I am concerned that 15.4 volts may be too much
for the KX3. I see in the KX3 manual specs, that recommended supply voltage is 8 - 15 volts.
I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??anyone know if there would be any short
or long term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3 ? It is just slightly above the 
maximum recommended supply voltage

73
John, ZS5J.
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From cautery at montac.com  Mon Jan 18 16:23:10 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:23:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <C19B4D52-0500-407F-8142-34FF281629DC@iafrica.com>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
	<1453151394602-7612736.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<C19B4D52-0500-407F-8142-34FF281629DC@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <569D57BE.9040607@montac.com>

And you could always put together a little inline circuit to drop the
voltage down to 13.8-14.1 or so...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/18/2016 3:17 PM, John Kramer wrote:
> Thanks for the info Bob, and it?s reassuring to see that the KX3 has protection for 
> over voltage.
> One caveat with this PSU - I just tried to insert the DC plug from this  PSU to the KX3, 
> and I see it is too large for the KX3. Not a big deal, I will just cut it off and fit the correct
> size DC plug
>
> 73
>
> John, ZS5J
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:09 PM, Bob N3MNT <bob at hogbytes.com> wrote:
>
> The KX3 will shut down if the voltage is too high.
>
>
>
>
>
> Someone on this reflector suggested a power supply off eBay, that could be used 
> with the KX3 about 2 months ago. It is intended for Toshiba laptops. So I bought one, 
> this is the one?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22>
>
> It terminates in the right plug for the KX3 and is rated at 15 volts at max 5 amps, and only sells 
> for $ 7.79 including free shipping from Hong Kong.
> Anyway, it is cheap as chips so I bought one, and it arrived today. I hooked up to a volt meter
> and see it is 15.4 volts. I know it is better for TX IMD to have higher voltage supplied to the 
> KX3 rather than a voltage too low, but I am concerned that 15.4 volts may be too much
> for the KX3. I see in the KX3 manual specs, that recommended supply voltage is 8 - 15 volts.
> I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??anyone know if there would be any short
> or long term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3 ? It is just slightly above the 
> maximum recommended supply voltage
>
> 73
> John, ZS5J.
> ______________________________________________________________
>
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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Mon Jan 18 16:24:10 2016
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <00ca01d15236$92d3a2f0$b87ae8d0$@gamewood.net>

That plug is NOT correct for the KX3.  It SB 2.1 X 5.5 (rather, that's what I use.)
Ken - ke4rg

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Kramer
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:44 PM
To: Elecraft list <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply

Someone on this reflector suggested a power supply off eBay, that could be used with the KX3 about 2 months ago. It is intended for Toshiba laptops. So I bought one, this is the one 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22>

It terminates in the right plug for the KX3 and is rated at 15 volts at max 5 amps, and only sells for $ 7.79 including free shipping from Hong Kong.
Anyway, it is cheap as chips so I bought one, and it arrived today. I hooked up to a volt meter and see it is 15.4 volts. I know it is better for TX IMD to have higher voltage supplied to the
KX3 rather than a voltage too low, but I am concerned that 15.4 volts may be too much for the KX3. I see in the KX3 manual specs, that recommended supply voltage is 8 - 15 volts.
I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage  anyone know if there would be any short or long term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3 ? It is just slightly above the maximum recommended supply voltage

73
John, ZS5J.
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Jan 18 16:24:47 2016
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - KIO3B setup
Message-ID: <003501d15236$a8c15850$fa4408f0$@verizon.net>

I installed the KIO3B kit. I have it set up as the original KIO3 - K3- RS232
to P3 to PC/SteppIR. Accessory plug with FSK interface and audio in and out
cables to audio board. I use LP-Bridge. Everything is working fine as it was
before the upgrade.

Now I want to take advantage of the features of the KIO3B kit.

 

I have the CBLP3T cable for the K3 to the P3. 

I will replace the RS232 with the USB to the PC.

I will remove the audio in and out cables. 

 

Is there anything special I need to do now that I will be using a USB port
instead of the RS232? 

What about with LP-Bridge? Anything I need to do with it? 

Where is the best place to hook up the SteppiR now that I don't have an
RS232 connecting to the PC?

 

Tnx for any feedback.

73,

N2TK, Tony

 


From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Mon Jan 18 16:31:34 2016
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:31:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
Message-ID: <569D59B6.3090300@mebtel.net>

John,

I do have a horse in this race (the Kx33), but I will tell you that in 
testing many supplies I have seen that many of them have poor 
regulation.  Some show as much as 25% peak over-voltage which you would 
need a scope to see when a load is removed, which is the situation when 
the KX3 returns to receive after a full-power transmit cycle.  Running 
15.4V average could potentially mean 19.25V peak with such a supply.

This reason plus many others is why we designed the Kx33.  We like our KX3s!

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com


 >>I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??
 >>anyone know if there would be any short or long
 >>term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3?
 >>It is just slightly above the maximum recommended
 >> supply voltage

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jan 18 17:34:49 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:34:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <EA917B1F-8BEF-472E-B76B-1ABD10E94D9E@widomaker.com>

I'd look to reduce the voltage about half a bolt before I'd use it with a KX3. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:43 PM, John Kramer <jkramer at iafrica.com> wrote:
> 
> Someone on this reflector suggested a power supply off eBay, that could be used 
> with the KX3 about 2 months ago. It is intended for Toshiba laptops. So I bought one, 
> this is the one?
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22>
> 
> It terminates in the right plug for the KX3 and is rated at 15 volts at max 5 amps, and only sells 
> for $ 7.79 including free shipping from Hong Kong.
> Anyway, it is cheap as chips so I bought one, and it arrived today. I hooked up to a volt meter
> and see it is 15.4 volts. I know it is better for TX IMD to have higher voltage supplied to the 
> KX3 rather than a voltage too low, but I am concerned that 15.4 volts may be too much
> for the KX3. I see in the KX3 manual specs, that recommended supply voltage is 8 - 15 volts.
> I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??anyone know if there would be any short
> or long term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3 ? It is just slightly above the 
> maximum recommended supply voltage
> 
> 73
> John, ZS5J.
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jan 18 18:15:30 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:15:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - KIO3B setup
In-Reply-To: <003501d15236$a8c15850$fa4408f0$@verizon.net>
References: <003501d15236$a8c15850$fa4408f0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6A53E45D-91E1-4F9D-8909-0DC70B2AD6A0@widomaker.com>

Well, first, I don? recognize the CBLP3T cable.  Maybe you meant CBLP3Y? If so, I think yu would still need a DE-9 ?Y? cable to connect at the P3 at which ever port you used before (TXCVR or PC).

Be sure to set CONFIG:RS-232 to USB and not 38400 as before.  And now your audio input/output is the new USB CODEC.  Have fun and let us know how it works.

?bc  nr4c




> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:24 PM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I installed the KIO3B kit. I have it set up as the original KIO3 - K3- RS232
> to P3 to PC/SteppIR. Accessory plug with FSK interface and audio in and out
> cables to audio board. I use LP-Bridge. Everything is working fine as it was
> before the upgrade.
> 
> Now I want to take advantage of the features of the KIO3B kit.
> 
> 
> 
> I have the CBLP3T cable for the K3 to the P3. 
> 
> I will replace the RS232 with the USB to the PC.
> 
> I will remove the audio in and out cables. 
> 
> 
> 
> Is there anything special I need to do now that I will be using a USB port
> instead of the RS232? 
> 
> What about with LP-Bridge? Anything I need to do with it? 
> 
> Where is the best place to hook up the SteppiR now that I don't have an
> RS232 connecting to the PC?
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx for any feedback.
> 
> 73,
> 
> N2TK, Tony
> 
> 
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 18 18:18:52 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <569D72DC.4080707@embarqmail.com>

John,

I would suggest that you put a diode in series with that supply - rated 
at 5 amps.  That will reduce the voltage by the amount of the diode drop.
Running the KX3 (or any other device) above the specified maximum 
voltage is done at your own peril - it may work, but it taxes the 
regulators and other devices.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/18/2016 3:43 PM, John Kramer wrote:
> Someone on this reflector suggested a power supply off eBay, that could be used
> with the KX3 about 2 months ago. It is intended for Toshiba laptops. So I bought one,
> this is the one?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22>
>
> It terminates in the right plug for the KX3 and is rated at 15 volts at max 5 amps, and only sells
> for $ 7.79 including free shipping from Hong Kong.
> Anyway, it is cheap as chips so I bought one, and it arrived today. I hooked up to a volt meter
> and see it is 15.4 volts. I know it is better for TX IMD to have higher voltage supplied to the
> KX3 rather than a voltage too low, but I am concerned that 15.4 volts may be too much
> for the KX3. I see in the KX3 manual specs, that recommended supply voltage is 8 - 15 volts.
> I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??anyone know if there would be any short
> or long term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3 ? It is just slightly above the
> maximum recommended supply voltage
>
> 73
> John, ZS5J.
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Jan 18 18:37:43 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:37:43 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  FS Mirage A1015G 6m 150w linear
Message-ID: <201601182337.u0INbi52014003@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

In case anyone is looking for 150w on 6m (will drive with KX3 or K3/10):

I'm selling my Mirage A1015G 6m Linear for $250 FREE shipping in the 
US.  This is the model with internal preamp.
Works fine - selling to raise funds toward KXPA-100 which will 
replace it at my station.  I also have a Harris 1kW 6m amp (converted 
from ch.2 TV) so the Mirage is no longer needed.

Both KX3 and K3/10 run 8w output on 6m so I will throw in FREE a used 
(look new) Yaesu FL-6020 10w linear (drives with 2w) which will 
enable the KX3 to run the Mirage at full output. Most will do 12w out 
or more.  They pass Rx so one coax connection used.

I have three more of the Yaesu amps which are also available for $25 
FREE shipping in US.  PayPal preferred.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From matt at nq6n.com  Mon Jan 18 18:38:49 2016
From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:38:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <569D59B6.3090300@mebtel.net>
References: <569D59B6.3090300@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <CANth69h+ZMGzf5dY5YzWz3tc0pn0i5bBYzuBtYhNFjecHDe3hw@mail.gmail.com>

I bought one of the pro audio engineering KX3 power supplies and it works
perfectly.

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> I do have a horse in this race (the Kx33), but I will tell you that in
> testing many supplies I have seen that many of them have poor regulation.
> Some show as much as 25% peak over-voltage which you would need a scope to
> see when a load is removed, which is the situation when the KX3 returns to
> receive after a full-power transmit cycle.  Running 15.4V average could
> potentially mean 19.25V peak with such a supply.
>
> This reason plus many others is why we designed the Kx33.  We like our
> KX3s!
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com
>
>
> >>I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??
> >>anyone know if there would be any short or long
> >>term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3?
> >>It is just slightly above the maximum recommended
> >> supply voltage
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From jkramer at iafrica.com  Mon Jan 18 18:39:52 2016
From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 01:39:52 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <569D72DC.4080707@embarqmail.com>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
	<569D72DC.4080707@embarqmail.com>
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Don

Thanks for the reply. I have thought long about it, and decided I would rather not risk damaging
my KX3 for the sake of a cheap PSU. I live too far away from the factory to risk damaging
the KX3 - it cost me $ 450.00 just to ship my new KX3 to me in June.

I will leave the cheap eBay PSU for some other project, or the trash. I have plenty of other 
regulated, stable PSU?s that supply the correct voltage, so I will continue using them.

I would never forgive myself if I damaged my KX3 by using a cheap eBay PSU.

Thanks for all the replies

73
John, ZS5J







On 19 Jan 2016, at 1:18 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

John,

I would suggest that you put a diode in series with that supply - rated
at 5 amps.  That will reduce the voltage by the amount of the diode drop.
Running the KX3 (or any other device) above the specified maximum
voltage is done at your own peril - it may work, but it taxes the
regulators and other devices.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/18/2016 3:43 PM, John Kramer wrote:
> Someone on this reflector suggested a power supply off eBay, that could be used
> with the KX3 about 2 months ago. It is intended for Toshiba laptops. So I bought one,
> this is the one?
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/15V-5A-AC-Adapter-Charger-Power-Supply-For-Toshiba-Tecra-A6-A7-A8-A9-A10-Laptop-/381356162365?hash=item58ca993d3d:g:Yk0AAOSwMmBVxX22>
> 
> It terminates in the right plug for the KX3 and is rated at 15 volts at max 5 amps, and only sells
> for $ 7.79 including free shipping from Hong Kong.
> Anyway, it is cheap as chips so I bought one, and it arrived today. I hooked up to a volt meter
> and see it is 15.4 volts. I know it is better for TX IMD to have higher voltage supplied to the
> KX3 rather than a voltage too low, but I am concerned that 15.4 volts may be too much
> for the KX3. I see in the KX3 manual specs, that recommended supply voltage is 8 - 15 volts.
> I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??anyone know if there would be any short
> or long term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3 ? It is just slightly above the
> maximum recommended supply voltage
> 
> 73
> John, ZS5J.
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From jboehner01 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 19:27:46 2016
From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3
Message-ID: <001f01d15250$3988c120$ac9a4360$@yahoo.com>

Can anyone let us know what the KIO3's are selling for?

'73 de JIM N2ZZ


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lewis
Phelps
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:07 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] F/S K3 KIO3

Folks, my need for a KIO3 has been met.  Thanks.

Lew N6LEW


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From htodd at twofifty.com  Mon Jan 18 19:43:21 2016
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:43:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3
In-Reply-To: <001f01d15250$3988c120$ac9a4360$@yahoo.com>
References: <001f01d15250$3988c120$ac9a4360$@yahoo.com>
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I have one spare as well.

But I have to say I'm having great fun with my KIO3B. I even bought a
$349 HP laptop and installed Ubuntu to run WSJT-X and fldigi. It's
pretty fun.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote:

> Can anyone let us know what the KIO3's are selling for?
>
> '73 de JIM N2ZZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lewis
> Phelps
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:07 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] F/S K3 KIO3
>
> Folks, my need for a KIO3 has been met.  Thanks.
>
> Lew N6LEW
>
>
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From lightdazzled at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 20:38:50 2016
From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:38:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <CANth69h+ZMGzf5dY5YzWz3tc0pn0i5bBYzuBtYhNFjecHDe3hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <569D59B6.3090300@mebtel.net>
	<CANth69h+ZMGzf5dY5YzWz3tc0pn0i5bBYzuBtYhNFjecHDe3hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPF-ba2-ROuRFoLzrdGONUWU4TZz34N1RbatT5+TbBkL-34CLA@mail.gmail.com>

The PAE power supply works fine, but it still puts out enough hash that I
can't use my loop antenna near it. It is better than others? Probably, but
still not usable for me when near  the receiving antenna.

Chip
AE5KA

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Matt Murphy <matt at nq6n.com> wrote:

> I bought one of the pro audio engineering KX3 power supplies and it works
> perfectly.
>
> 73,
> Matt NQ6N
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > I do have a horse in this race (the Kx33), but I will tell you that in
> > testing many supplies I have seen that many of them have poor regulation.
> > Some show as much as 25% peak over-voltage which you would need a scope
> to
> > see when a load is removed, which is the situation when the KX3 returns
> to
> > receive after a full-power transmit cycle.  Running 15.4V average could
> > potentially mean 19.25V peak with such a supply.
> >
> > This reason plus many others is why we designed the Kx33.  We like our
> > KX3s!
> >
> > Cheers & 73,
> >
> > Howie - WA4PSC
> > www.proaudioeng.com
> >
> >
> > >>I would hate to hurt my KX3 with over voltage??
> > >>anyone know if there would be any short or long
> > >>term problems with running 15.4 volts to the KX3?
> > >>It is just slightly above the maximum recommended
> > >> supply voltage
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 18 21:02:55 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3
In-Reply-To: <001f01d15250$3988c120$ac9a4360$@yahoo.com>
References: <001f01d15250$3988c120$ac9a4360$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <569D994F.6020108@embarqmail.com>

Dr. Jim,

I really don't know the answer to your question, but I suspect a fair 
value would be between 1/2 and 2/3 of the original price for the KIO3 
option.
I do not recall what that price was, but perhaps someone with an older 
price sheet will chime in.

BTW, that estimate is my general 'criteria' for used equipment.  It is 
no longer under warranty, and the buyer accepts that fact (other than 
DOA agreements between the buyer and the seller).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/18/2016 7:27 PM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote:
> Can anyone let us know what the KIO3's are selling for?
>
> '73 de JIM N2ZZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lewis
> Phelps
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:07 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] F/S K3 KIO3
>
> Folks, my need for a KIO3 has been met.  Thanks.
>
> Lew N6LEW
>
>
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From tim at sy-edm.com  Mon Jan 18 22:20:29 2016
From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:20:29 +0400
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
Message-ID: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>

Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.

I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using some software tools.

Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat

From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 22:23:30 2016
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:23:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3 KIO3
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCa8ST_9fL0CkGGY_Qj_pYJyW7vKcDzLV+Sey67H3Fu8xQ@mail.gmail.com>

   - Back in 2010, I had a lightning strike that damaged
   - my KIO3 board. For what it's worth, here are the
   - (quite reasonable) charges Elecraft made tor:
   - KIO3 Digital Board  $30.44
   - KIO3A Main PCB Assm    $106.16

Jim - W4RKS

------------------------------

>Dr. Jim,

>I really don't know the answer to your question, but I suspect a >fair value would be between 1/2 and 2/3 of the original price >for the KIO3 option.
>I do not recall what that price was, but perhaps someone with an >older price sheet will chime in.

>73,
>Don W3FPR

>On 1/18/2016 7:27 PM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote:
>* Can anyone let us know what the KIO3's are selling for?
*>>* '73 de JIM N2ZZ*

From ai6do at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 22:53:17 2016
From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 03:53:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
References: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <1088697913.6318377.1453175597536.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Tim,
I have no complaints about the ASUS Xonar U5, which I use with Fldigi, MMTTY, etc. I don't have enough personal experience with alternatives to be able to compare its performance, but you'll find technical comparisons of the U5 with other sound cards from an amateur radio perspective in several places by searching the web, and the U5 tends to be highly recommended, as is the slightly more expensive U7.?Reading?http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html?and http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf?led me to buy the U5.?
73, Ryan AI6DO

      From: a45wg <tim at sy-edm.com>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:20 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
   
Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.

I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using some software tools.

Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jan 18 23:02:06 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:02:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
References: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <569DB53E.5080803@blomand.net>

The SignaLink USB is one I find to be a good choice.  It uses the USB 
port on the computer.    There's others, more or less expensive.  Like 
candy, it seems everyone has their preference in flavor.

73
Bob, K4TAX


On 1/18/2016 9:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.
>
> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>
> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using some software tools.
>
> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jan 18 23:06:26 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:06:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <569DB53E.5080803@blomand.net>
References: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
	<569DB53E.5080803@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <69D194DE-FF2E-4798-A86D-5876480BFA13@wunderwood.org>

There are some pretty convincing measurements that show that the SignaLink USB is not as good as it should be.

For this application, the SignaLink is useless, because for I/Q output from the KX3, he?ll need stereo in. The SignaLink is mono.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> The SignaLink USB is one I find to be a good choice.  It uses the USB port on the computer.    There's others, more or less expensive.  Like candy, it seems everyone has their preference in flavor.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 1/18/2016 9:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
>> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.
>> 
>> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>> 
>> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using some software tools.
>> 
>> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan 18 23:09:10 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:09:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <569DB53E.5080803@blomand.net>
References: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
	<569DB53E.5080803@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <569DB6E6.1000509@socal.rr.com>

Works well for me, too, Bob.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/18/16 20:02 , Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> The SignaLink USB is one I find to be a good choice.  It uses the USB 
> port on the computer.    There's others, more or less expensive. Like 
> candy, it seems everyone has their preference in flavor.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 9:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
>> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card 
>> I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In 
>> and not a Stereo Line-In.
>>
>> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>>
>> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built 
>> KX3 - using some software tools.
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Tim, A45wg. Muscat
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 23:35:36 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 04:35:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <em6de27ea0-c899-4cd4-ad03-8890a32b88b8@barry-laptop2>

Muscat,
     I use the Steinberg UR22, but I have used other cards. A number of 
my local friends are using Asus cards. They work well. The site that has 
the NaP3 /LPBridge software has a list of recommendations. They seem 
right.  Just make sure you get a 24 bit card that samples at 96KHz or 
more; I use 192KHZ. This will allow you to do spectrum display quite 
well and other software like CW Skimmer off the very same I&Q data 
stream.

     A card useful for spectrum is massive overkill for running the 
digital modes. A simple 16 bit or better card running 44 KHz will work, 
like the card in your computer. I use the SignaLink USB. I can do this 
simultaneously while reading out the spectrum. That means you can have a 
fair degree of flexibility.

     If you really want to go crazy, get a copy of Win4K3. Your KX3 than 
becomes the engine for a fully integrated operation. The down side is 
you will end up needing either 2-3 monitors or one very big one.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "a45wg" <tim at sy-edm.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 1/18/2016 10:20:29 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

>Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I 
>can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and 
>not a Stereo Line-In.
>
>I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>
>I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 
>- using some software tools.
>
>Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>
>Many thanks
>
>Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 19 00:54:59 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:54:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <em6de27ea0-c899-4cd4-ad03-8890a32b88b8@barry-laptop2>
References: <em6de27ea0-c899-4cd4-ad03-8890a32b88b8@barry-laptop2>
Message-ID: <569DCFB3.1050506@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/18/2016 8:35 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
> A card useful for spectrum is massive overkill for running the digital 
> modes. 

Not if it's half the cost of the lower bandwidth units!


On Mon,1/18/2016 8:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> There are some pretty convincing measurements that show that the SignaLink USB is not as good as it should be.

Yes.

> For this application, the SignaLink is useless, because for I/Q output from the KX3, he?ll need stereo in. The SignaLink is mono.

Yes.

The SignaLink is a pretty old design. In the digital world, 10 years is 
forever!  And it's VERY overpriced for what it is. It's popular ONLY 
because of lots of advertising hype from the vendors reselling it.

73, Jim K9YC

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 05:07:34 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:07:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <569DCFB3.1050506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <em6de27ea0-c899-4cd4-ad03-8890a32b88b8@barry-laptop2>
	<569DCFB3.1050506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <569E0AE6.4000104@socal.rr.com>

A significant plus is that the vendor (Tigertronics?) offers cables for 
a variety of popular rigs and rather good info on getting it set up, 
working with computer USB ports. That can be a plus for the 
technically-challenged who want to operate non-demanding digital modes 
like PSK31, Joe.

While I'm not all that challenged with degrees in EE, Signalink USB was 
my choice for that reason: It is convenient and works "well enough" :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/18/16 21:54 , Jim Brown wrote:
>
>
> The SignaLink is a pretty old design. In the digital world, 10 years 
> is forever!  And it's VERY overpriced for what it is. It's popular 
> ONLY because of lots of advertising hype from the vendors reselling it.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan 19 07:10:12 2016
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:10:12 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
References: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <569E27A4.2070805@xs4all.nl>

Tim,

About the line-in / mic in a simple laptop:

Before going through the process of buying a super usb external 
soundcard, check the windows configuration - sound of your laptop and 
look at recording devices.
You'll probably find the mic. Then check the properties of that 
connection. In the advanced settings you MAY find that the mic can be 
configured as stereo with 96k or 192k sampling.

My 2010 Samsung cheap N210 netbook can run stereo 96k and give a nice 
panafall with NAP3! It ties up the processor :-) but I can still log my 
QSO's at the same time.
My doughter's 6 year old medium priced Toshiba laptop does 192k, without 
any problem.

So don't let the word 'mic' or the little mic-picture on the side trick 
you. Check it first in the software settings.
My two cents worth.


73
Arie PA3A


Op 19-1-2016 om 4:20 schreef a45wg:
> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.
>
> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>
> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using some software tools.
>
> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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From rthorne at rthorne.net  Tue Jan 19 07:26:35 2016
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 06:26:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost Receive on All Bands
Message-ID: <569E2B7B.2030309@rthorne.net>

I have a K3 (1 of 2) that suddenly has lost all receive.  I've checked 
the obvious things.

     - I'm not using the rx antenna
     - I have antenna 1 selected and the coax is attached to it
     - Diversity receive is turned off

I have disconnected all connections on the back of the rig.  All I have 
connected is the power supply and a length of coax connected directly to 
an antenna (bypassing all antenna switches).

The rig appears to be transmitting just fine.  If I press the xmit 
button for a second I get the expected 20 watts out and the swr is 1.0:1

I have two K3's in the setup.  Both are connected to a Microham MK2R+ 
which prevents both rigs from transmitting on the same frequency. I also 
have a full set of 4O3A high power band filters in place to protect each 
rig.

Any other suggestions?  I plan on calling Elecraft later this morning as 
well.

Thanks

Rich - N5ZC

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 19 07:43:25 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
References: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <569E2F6D.5060809@embarqmail.com>

Tim,

Because you want to use the KX3 RX I/Q outputs to produce a spectrum 
display, you must have a soundcard with a stereo input.
That rules out the SignaLink which has only a mono input.
The Asus U5 or U7 will do the job for you quite nicely, and costs less 
than the SignaLink.
You can use the Asus for both digital modes and a spectral display.
Look at NaP3 or Win4K3 software applications.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.
>
> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>
> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using some software tools.
>
> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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From dl1sdz at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 08:02:52 2016
From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 14:02:52 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost Receive on All Bands
In-Reply-To: <569E2B7B.2030309@rthorne.net>
References: <569E2B7B.2030309@rthorne.net>
Message-ID: <CACM_ObLwjAqMm5=isBEpjOM4JLoGqdYkObhKrbZjV0Du_QzgKg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

just try to connect the K3 directly to your antenna.
73 de Hajo DL1SDZ

Gruss
Hajo

---
Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Richard Thorne <rthorne at rthorne.net> wrote:

> I have a K3 (1 of 2) that suddenly has lost all receive.  I've checked the
> obvious things.
>
>     - I'm not using the rx antenna
>     - I have antenna 1 selected and the coax is attached to it
>     - Diversity receive is turned off
>
> I have disconnected all connections on the back of the rig.  All I have
> connected is the power supply and a length of coax connected directly to an
> antenna (bypassing all antenna switches).
>
> The rig appears to be transmitting just fine.  If I press the xmit button
> for a second I get the expected 20 watts out and the swr is 1.0:1
>
> I have two K3's in the setup.  Both are connected to a Microham MK2R+
> which prevents both rigs from transmitting on the same frequency. I also
> have a full set of 4O3A high power band filters in place to protect each
> rig.
>
> Any other suggestions?  I plan on calling Elecraft later this morning as
> well.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich - N5ZC
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From k8kzb at charter.net  Tue Jan 19 08:17:15 2016
From: k8kzb at charter.net (k8kzb at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:17:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
Message-ID: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>



My neighbor is a ham, right now I set up a webpage for us to coordinate what band we are on so that we are not on the same band at the same time. I originally set this up for field day but it also works good for us.


We are both CW ops and have not ran into issues yet but, there is always a but, we both want to make sure we do our best to protect our equipment which we both have K3's.


I have a beverage that i use for 40 through 160 and i have a front end protector on my rx input but what about 10 theough 30? I have a beam and rotatable dipole for those bands so how do i protect my receiver better on those bands?


Our tx antennas are roughly 300 feet apart, he has a vertical right now and i have both a vertical and a beam to switch between. He plans on a beam this summer and it will be the same distance apart.


Thoughts...


73,

Jeff K8KZB 



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From keith at compassmarina.com  Tue Jan 19 08:44:25 2016
From: keith at compassmarina.com (Keith D Jones)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:44:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Power Supply
Message-ID: <002401d152bf$83ee9fe0$8bcbdfa0$@compassmarina.com>


I purchased 5V, 12V, & 15V versions of the Solas power supplies made in
Germany.  The SCP30S15DN 15V @ 2A 2 A Amp 100-240V 0.75A are currently
selling on ebay for about $25.  I have not done any extensive testing but
have not noticed any power irregularities or hash.  They seem to be very
well made units made for an industrial setting.  


Keith, N4KDJ


 


From doug at ellmore.net  Tue Jan 19 08:59:41 2016
From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:59:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations
Message-ID: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for recommendations for SO2R interfaces.  My plan is to use my K3
and KX3.  I use N1MM+ for contesting software.  Modes: CW/SSB/RTTY

I saw a kit (currently not available) from *k1xm.org/
<http://k1xm.org/>SO2R/*
<https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#>

DX Doubler from Top Ten: http://www.qth.com/topten/DXD.HTM
Microham devices: http://www.microham-usa.com/

Feedback and recommendation with interfacing the K3 and KX3 rigs and use
would be appreciated.

Doug NA1DX
doug at ellmore.net

From kt5d at charter.net  Tue Jan 19 09:00:19 2016
From: kt5d at charter.net (Gee)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:00:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LED bar graph meter
Message-ID: <A949C4DF-8A3E-407D-9EB3-90BC8F349A8C@charter.net>

I have recently acquired a K2, serial number 6845. The LED bargraph meter has multicolored segments. The far left two are red, the next two are yellow, the next two are green, the next two are yellow again. Is this normal? 

Sent from my iPad

From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 19 09:11:00 2016
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:11:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LED bar graph meter
In-Reply-To: <A949C4DF-8A3E-407D-9EB3-90BC8F349A8C@charter.net>
References: <A949C4DF-8A3E-407D-9EB3-90BC8F349A8C@charter.net>
Message-ID: <COL131-W870D87EDA2B0959D70823FD0C10@phx.gbl>

that is one of the mods that have been done to a number of the K2s. It enhances the visual of the front panel. It can be undone, IF and ONLY ifvery carefully, so as not to damage the front panel pcb.

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


> From: kt5d at charter.net
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:00:19 -0500
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LED bar graph meter
> 
> I have recently acquired a K2, serial number 6845. The LED bargraph meter has multicolored segments. The far left two are red, the next two are yellow, the next two are green, the next two are yellow again. Is this normal? 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Jan 19 09:13:57 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:13:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <569E44A5.3080207@subich.com>


DXDoubler is controlled by a parallel port and uses "PC generated" CW
on the parallel port.  micro2R is controlled by USB and includes a K1EL
Winkey 2 chip for CW generation otherwise they are functionally similar
in terms for mic/CW/PTT/headphone switching.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/19/2016 8:59 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
> Looking for recommendations for SO2R interfaces.  My plan is to use my K3
> and KX3.  I use N1MM+ for contesting software.  Modes: CW/SSB/RTTY
>
> I saw a kit (currently not available) from *k1xm.org/
> <http://k1xm.org/>SO2R/*
> <https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#>
>
> DX Doubler from Top Ten: http://www.qth.com/topten/DXD.HTM
> Microham devices: http://www.microham-usa.com/
>
> Feedback and recommendation with interfacing the K3 and KX3 rigs and use
> would be appreciated.
>
> Doug NA1DX
> doug at ellmore.net
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From on4aef at telenet.be  Tue Jan 19 09:25:33 2016
From: on4aef at telenet.be (Behiels jean-Pierre)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:25:33 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft]  K2 LED bar graph meter
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W870D87EDA2B0959D70823FD0C10@phx.gbl>
References: <A949C4DF-8A3E-407D-9EB3-90BC8F349A8C@charter.net>
	<COL131-W870D87EDA2B0959D70823FD0C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002c01d152c5$41c85ce0$c55916a0$@telenet.be>

Hi Dale good afternoon;

Could you give me the details about this modification(published article or
so )? 
Are there some available part numbers for the new bar graph LED block ??
Seems to be a interesting modification to do hi ?

Regards Jean ON4AEF.


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dale
Putnam
Sent: dinsdag 19 januari 2016 15:11
To: Gee; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 LED bar graph meter

that is one of the mods that have been done to a number of the K2s. It
enhances the visual of the front panel. It can be undone, IF and ONLY ifvery
carefully, so as not to damage the front panel pcb.

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


> From: kt5d at charter.net
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:00:19 -0500
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LED bar graph meter
> 
> I have recently acquired a K2, serial number 6845. The LED bargraph meter
has multicolored segments. The far left two are red, the next two are
yellow, the next two are green, the next two are yellow again. Is this
normal? 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From ka5y at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 09:31:06 2016
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:31:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Unstable KXPA100 output on 40 Meters.
In-Reply-To: <376183065.9584744.1452959936545.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <376183065.9584744.1452959936545.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1453213866145-7612771.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have/had the same problem with the KXPA100/KAT100 except it would go into
fault.  I checked everything I could and couldn't find any bad connections. 
My antenna is a cobra folded dipole and the twin lead is very close to my
operating position and there is a balun at the twin lead.  I added more coax
between the balun and entry point and put a couple of snap on torroids on
the coax and the problem has gone.

Tex
ka5y



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From otterson_nospam at nhrc.net  Tue Jan 19 09:39:16 2016
From: otterson_nospam at nhrc.net (Jeffrey Otterson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:39:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
Message-ID: <CA+G8gAnh=gwJcd4JW736w=gV276ko7H9ziMbW7t7X73Y=NtR+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Chip,

I did a lot of testing of KX3 power supplies, and the PAE is the quietest,
next to a linear power supply.

I had a fair amount of EMI problems, too, until I put a big ferrite bead
(Fair-Rite 0431176451) on the DC output wire.  I wound 6 turns though the
core, right at the power plug that goes into the KX3.  This brought the
noise down to barely audible, totally tolerable.

I bought the cores from Verical.com -- they had the best deal on them --
but they appear to be out of stock.  Mouser's got them for under $8.  These
are the same cores that K9YC recommends in his "RF Interference to Audio
Systems" paper.

73

Jeff n1kdo

---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chip Stratton <lightdazzled at gmail.com>
> To:
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:38:50 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
> The PAE power supply works fine, but it still puts out enough hash that I
> can't use my loop antenna near it. It is better than others? Probably, but
> still not usable for me when near  the receiving antenna.
> Chip
> AE5KA

From acsewell at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 11:12:05 2016
From: acsewell at gmail.com (Alan Sewell N5NA)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:12:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14982.1453205431.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.14982.1453205431.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <569E6055.1040204@gmail.com>

I found my PAE-Kx33 also put out hash I could hear when operating near 
my mag loop.  I put two mix 33 split ferrite cores with 5 turns each on 
the DC cable near the power supply.  That knocked the hash down so it's 
negligible.

73, Alan N5NA

On 1/19/2016 6:10 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:38:50 -0600
> From: Chip Stratton<lightdazzled at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAPF-ba2-ROuRFoLzrdGONUWU4TZz34N1RbatT5+TbBkL-34CLA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> The PAE power supply works fine, but it still puts out enough hash that I
> can't use my loop antenna near it. It is better than others? Probably, but
> still not usable for me when near  the receiving antenna.
>
> Chip
> AE5KA


From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 11:20:41 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:20:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <902CF4365E084054B721689261AF6DA7@Toshiba>

You can actually get along quite well without an SO2R box. 
Buying a Winkey USB would be a good start.  It gets you perfect 
CW keying, regardless of CPU load; PTT; and paddle keying; all 
for two radios.  The PTT works on all modes.  N1MM handles the 
radio switching.

For SSB, you can use a single sound card with left channel for 
left radio and right channel for right radio. N1MM handles all 
the switching.

For FSK keying, there are two good ways to go, with N1MM handling 
the switching:
1. MMTTY with two real com ports (you can buy a PCI or PCI-E 
card)
2. 2Tone with Arduino/TinyFSK on two USB ports.  It sounds like a 
big deal, but it's not really.

You will need to build a little box to handle earphone audio: LL, 
LR, RR.  In LR, a pot across the two can give you a variable 
blend.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ




-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Ellmore
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations

Looking for recommendations for SO2R interfaces.  My plan is to 
use my K3
and KX3.  I use N1MM+ for contesting software.  Modes: 
CW/SSB/RTTY

I saw a kit (currently not available) from *k1xm.org/
<http://k1xm.org/>SO2R/*
<https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#>

DX Doubler from Top Ten: http://www.qth.com/topten/DXD.HTM
Microham devices: http://www.microham-usa.com/

Feedback and recommendation with interfacing the K3 and KX3 rigs 
and use
would be appreciated.

Doug NA1DX
doug at ellmore.net
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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jan 19 11:56:11 2016
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:56:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations
Message-ID: <bbc0128e89bc9e0a7a190a5b61b1cb19.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

You can also use two separate computers for sending CW & RTTY.

For headphone and mic switching Dunestar makes a SO2R device.

John KK9A

Dave Hachadorian k6ll.dave at gmail.com
Tue Jan 19 11:20:41 EST 2016
Previous message (by thread): [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations

You can actually get along quite well without an SO2R box.
Buying a Winkey USB would be a good start.  It gets you perfect
CW keying, regardless of CPU load; PTT; and paddle keying; all
for two radios.  The PTT works on all modes.  N1MM handles the
radio switching.

For SSB, you can use a single sound card with left channel for
left radio and right channel for right radio. N1MM handles all
the switching.

For FSK keying, there are two good ways to go, with N1MM handling
the switching:
1. MMTTY with two real com ports (you can buy a PCI or PCI-E
card)
2. 2Tone with Arduino/TinyFSK on two USB ports.  It sounds like a
big deal, but it's not really.

You will need to build a little box to handle earphone audio: LL,
LR, RR.  In LR, a pot across the two can give you a variable
blend.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ



From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jan 19 12:05:44 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:05:44 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  FS Mirage A1015G 6m 150w linear
Message-ID: <201601191705.u0JH5k7e028644@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Sold to N6LEW.  Thanks Lew.

I have ordered the KXPA-100 kit to replace it and the 120w CCI HF amp 
I built a few years ago.  It will be used with either the KX3 or 
K3/10.  "Christmas in January"!

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 12:09:44 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:09:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <569DCFB3.1050506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <em815c9de3-5f78-4fc4-a0f4-7f34b593cf98@laptop2>

Jim,
     The Asus cards are about $60-$70 and my Steinberg was $120. It makes 
no sense to spend that amount of money for a card for an application 
that will work just fine with your computer's built in card. However, 
you will need some additional "stuff", like isolation and a PTT method 
if you don't use vox. That is why I recommend that something like a 
SignLink USB, or equal, be used. To go some other way, the bottom line 
costs will run you more than than either card to do it right. And, yes 
there are really cheap cards out there for $20, but they just won't 
perform for spectrum viewing.

     I suggest looking at this for picking a card to view the spectrum: 
http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html and a SignaLink USB for its 
simplicity to make work for running digital modes.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Jim Brown" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/19/2016 12:54:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

>On Mon,1/18/2016 8:35 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
>>A card useful for spectrum is massive overkill for running the digital 
>>modes.
>
>Not if it's half the cost of the lower bandwidth units!
>
>
>On Mon,1/18/2016 8:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>>There are some pretty convincing measurements that show that the 
>>SignaLink USB is not as good as it should be.
>
>Yes.
>
>>For this application, the SignaLink is useless, because for I/Q output 
>>from the KX3, he?ll need stereo in. The SignaLink is mono.
>
>Yes.
>
>The SignaLink is a pretty old design. In the digital world, 10 years is 
>forever!  And it's VERY overpriced for what it is. It's popular ONLY 
>because of lots of advertising hype from the vendors reselling it.
>
>73, Jim K9YC
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From aar6ea at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 12:13:01 2016
From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:13:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard question
Message-ID: <CALyK5YHZurkzSpBCsyCK89SbGpSjcZ_K137YMN3SfLsQLs-Mpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am looking for a keyboard to use with KX3/PX3 combo.

I am looking for a keyboard that has the following properties and was
hoping that someone might have a suggestion:

   - Compact (similar to the Logitech K810)
   - Backlit
   - Weatherproof (would be nice)
   - Well constructed

I found the SIIG JK-US0911-S1 Industrial/Medical Grade Washable Backlit
Keyboard with Pointing Device keyboard that seems to fit all my needs but
apparently wont (or might not) work.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00POYDFTK/ref=s9_simh_gw_g147_i1_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0JCP74W9ZZQKEEX52Z3C&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

Any recommendations?

Mark

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 12:16:29 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:16:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <569E2F6D.5060809@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <em8cb0ab68-dc23-4cca-8220-714f354799c6@laptop2>

Don,
     I agree. The SignaLink is geared strictly for using the radio's 
audio in/out for doing digital modes. But, I do suggest Win4K3. After 
having used both for a while, I concluded that Win4K3 is more a match 
for the KX3.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: "a45wg" <tim at sy-edm.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" 
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 1/19/2016 7:43:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

>Tim,
>
>Because you want to use the KX3 RX I/Q outputs to produce a spectrum 
>display, you must have a soundcard with a stereo input.
>That rules out the SignaLink which has only a mono input.
>The Asus U5 or U7 will do the job for you quite nicely, and costs less 
>than the SignaLink.
>You can use the Asus for both digital modes and a spectral display.
>Look at NaP3 or Win4K3 software applications.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
>>Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card 
>>I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In 
>>and not a Stereo Line-In.
>>
>>I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>>
>>I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built 
>>KX3 - using some software tools.
>>
>>Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>>
>>Many thanks
>>
>>Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 19 12:21:07 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:21:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <569E7083.8030409@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/19/2016 5:17 AM, k8kzb at charter.net wrote:
> Our tx antennas are roughly 300 feet apart, he has a vertical right now and i have both a vertical and a beam to switch between. He plans on a beam this summer and it will be the same distance apart.
>
>
> Thoughts...

For operation so close together, you really must view this as a multi-op 
station. :) Rules -- very practical ones.

1) Both stations must use rigs with excellent strong signal performance.

2) Both stations must use rigs with very clean TX performance, and 
operate them from supplies of at least 13.8V under load.

3) If using power amps, both stations must tune their amp very carefully.

4) Yes, antenna directivity matters.

At county expeditions for the California QSO Party, we set up three 
stations -- two CW, one SSB, with antennas that are as widely separated 
as possible. Each station is a K3 with new synth board, a KPA500, and a 
KAT500. With 2-el Yagis spaced about 250 ft apart, we can operate CW and 
SSB on the same band with no QRM. The Yagis are carefully located and 
aimed so they are colinear when pointed 70 degrees azimuth (what works 
in W6 for US contests). Our wire antennas for 80 and 40 are about 300 ft 
apart, and we can operate CW and SSB on those bands too.

5) Bandpass filtering helps when you're NOT on the same band. We use 
TXBPF filter sets between the K3s and the KPA500s, and we have 
double-stub notch filters on the 40M and 80M CW feedlines to kill the 
second harmonic of the power amp.

6) Cross polarization can help.

7) Both stations need very good coax with well installed connectors. 
Coax shielding effectiveness depends on a shield with very low 
resistance and very good uniformity. THAT'S why there's no RG8X or RG58 
in my station -- shield resistance is directly related to skin effect, 
and a larger diameter shield has less resistance than a small one.

8) Both stations need very good common mode chokes at the feedpoint of 
their antennas. This prevents radiation and reception by the feedlines.

9) Every little thing matters -- little things add up to a lot. I wasn't 
satisfied with the effectiveness of a 2-stub filter on my 40M antenna -- 
there was still too much second harmonic in my RX on 20M. Last fall, I 
bought some very good coax (Buryflex) and some Amphenol 83-1SP 
connectors and replaced every piece of coax inside my station. I have a 
lot of antenna switching, so that was nearly 100 ft of coax and 50 
connectors. The second harmonic dropped by about 10 dB!

Observations -- the only problem we've ever had with RX burnout was the 
first year we were there -- we strung two dipoles end to end with only a 
few feet between the ends and connected them to different K3s.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 19 12:37:13 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:37:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <569E7449.2090104@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/19/2016 5:59 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
> I saw a kit (currently not available) from *k1xm.org/
> <http://k1xm.org/>SO2R/*
> <https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#>

This is the YCCC SO2R box, an EXCELLENT unit. I use it in my station. If 
there's a waiting list for the next group purchase of kits, get your 
name on it.

The DX Doubler has Pin One Problems, a well known cause of hum, buzz, 
and RFI.

73, Jim K9YC

From wt5y at gt.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 12:45:29 2016
From: wt5y at gt.rr.com (wt5y)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:45:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LED bar graph meter
Message-ID: <uetvowpjkt2moupbo4ws9cpo.1453225529831@email.android.com>


    
Sounds like one of mine, no its not. ?I made one like that and sold it. ?I like to be different. ?
WT5Y


Sent from my Samsung GALAXY S5?, a Cricket 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Gee <kt5d at charter.net> 
Date: 01/19/2016  08:00  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LED bar graph meter 

I have recently acquired a K2, serial number 6845. The LED bargraph meter has multicolored segments. The far left two are red, the next two are yellow, the next two are green, the next two are yellow again. Is this normal? 

Sent from my iPad
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 19 12:51:39 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:51:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <em815c9de3-5f78-4fc4-a0f4-7f34b593cf98@laptop2>
References: <em815c9de3-5f78-4fc4-a0f4-7f34b593cf98@laptop2>
Message-ID: <569E77AB.5050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Hi Barry,

Yes, built-in sound cards "work," but my extensive testing showed that a 
good outboard USB sound card works FAR better than the sound built into 
my Thinkpad laptops. The difference is the ability to decode much weaker 
signals. That testing is documented in the link I posted yesterday.

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,1/19/2016 9:09 AM, Barry LaZar wrote:
> The Asus cards are about $60-$70 and my Steinberg was $120. It makes 
> no sense to spend that amount of money for a card for an application 
> that will work just fine with your computer's built in card. However, 
> you will need some additional "stuff", like isolation and a PTT method 
> if you don't use vox. That is why I recommend that something like a 
> SignLink USB, or equal, be used. To go some other way, the bottom line 
> costs will run you more than than either card to do it right. And, yes 
> there are really cheap cards out there for $20, but they just won't 
> perform for spectrum viewing.


From shadle at katzenfisch.com  Tue Jan 19 12:53:16 2016
From: shadle at katzenfisch.com (John Shadle)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:53:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3DVR question - output to computer via KIO3B?
Message-ID: <CAB3n5HJCf0s8Y-V9Hm6W5sd9Szo_swpWLu_sUWF7Aza4MzE0tA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Looking at the manual, this isn't clear, so I'm going to ask here.

If you record a QSO using the K3DVR, for example, is there any way to get
that file to a computer (and off the K3 or K3DVR)? Possibly by using the
KIO3B USB output?

Thanks!
-john NE4U

From nels.nelsen at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 13:01:30 2016
From: nels.nelsen at gmail.com (Nels Nelsen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:01:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <569E7083.8030409@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
	<569E7083.8030409@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAOgp5k34wdCkfbVGnPwGTA2jfF-Vu7dmTXZFMWmKwXpKxsZCsg@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen how effecttive item #5 is on the previous post.
And if you don't follow  all of Jim's advice then you are really missing
out.
I have seen companies  spend thousands of dollars for advice that you just
got for free.
Nels Nelsen NE7LS

                       n_n

And I am still working on #9  (and the rest)

From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Jan 19 13:44:33 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <569E8411.5010808@sonic.net>

If you're worried about burning out the receiver front end, why not test 
it?  Add a 20 dB (or more) attenuator in front of the receiver and have 
your neighbor try transmitting on all bands and antennas.  The K3 S 
meter is pretty accurate.  Just add 20 dB to the reading to see how much 
RF is coming down the coax.

Alan N1AL


On 01/19/2016 05:17 AM, k8kzb at charter.net wrote:
>
>
> My neighbor is a ham, right now I set up a webpage for us to
> coordinate what band we are on so that we are not on the same band at
> the same time. I originally set this up for field day but it also
> works good for us.
>
>
> We are both CW ops and have not ran into issues yet but, there is
> always a but, we both want to make sure we do our best to protect our
> equipment which we both have K3's.
>
>
> I have a beverage that i use for 40 through 160 and i have a front
> end protector on my rx input but what about 10 theough 30? I have a
> beam and rotatable dipole for those bands so how do i protect my
> receiver better on those bands?
>
>
> Our tx antennas are roughly 300 feet apart, he has a vertical right
> now and i have both a vertical and a beam to switch between. He plans
> on a beam this summer and it will be the same distance apart.
>
>
> Thoughts...
>
>
> 73,
>
> Jeff K8KZB
>
>
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile
>
>
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From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 14:17:48 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost Receive on All Bands
In-Reply-To: <569E2B7B.2030309@rthorne.net>
References: <569E2B7B.2030309@rthorne.net>
Message-ID: <C27ACBCEF0C04A9E9A1C02A88AD9561C@Toshiba>

Last year I had a similar failure - extreme loss of sensitivity 
in my K3.  I could just barely hear the loudest signals on the 
band.  My problem turned out to be PIN diode D5, which I replaced 
with a more robust version.  Helpful correspondence from Elecraft 
and from the Reflector is below.
----------------------------
>From Elecraft:

If the rig has a KXV3 option installed, PIN diode D5 will be 
damaged by high levels of RF coming into the receiver (more than 
about 2w). This would affect both the main and sub when the 
antenna is shared.

Remove the KXV3 and jumper across J66 pins 8-10, and 13-15 and 
see if the sensitivity returns. If so, D5 needs replaced or the 
entire KXV3 if you are not able to replace the tiny SMD D5. This 
is Elecraft part #E560026 at $0.48 each.

If only the main is affected, it would be D25 on the RF board 
near the little stop band filter board.  This is Elecraft part 
#E560026 at $0.48 each.

It could also be the larger PIN diodes on the RF board or the 
KPA3 if a lot of power or a big lightning strike caused the 
damaged. See if the signals get strong with the Power knob below 
12w so the KPA3 PIN diodes are not in the signal path.

If you can determine which of these is the problem, you can order 
this part or any parts you might need from the Elecraft kits 
directly on our secure credit card page: 
http://www.elecraft.com/newcc.html. Just fill in the credit card 
information and in the "Comments" box describe the parts you need 
including the Elecraft Part Numbers (found in the Parts List of 
your Elecraft Manuals) and quantities.

---------------------------------

If the problem turns out to be PIN diode D5, as mine was, 
consider replacing the diode with a more robust version, as 
discussed here:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Update-re-K3-loss-of-RX-sensitivity-td5823238.html


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


. 


From n4kd at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan 19 14:33:03 2016
From: n4kd at bellsouth.net (David Kuechenmeister)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:33:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S KIO3
References: <1132077064.7348941.1453231983372.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1132077064.7348941.1453231983372.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I also have finished the KIO3B upgrade to my K3, so my old KIO3 is available.?
Please make all inquiries off list.
vy 73,Dave N4KD

From jbollit at outlook.com  Tue Jan 19 14:55:35 2016
From: jbollit at outlook.com (Jim Bolit)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:55:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <CA+G8gAnh=gwJcd4JW736w=gV276ko7H9ziMbW7t7X73Y=NtR+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+G8gAnh=gwJcd4JW736w=gV276ko7H9ziMbW7t7X73Y=NtR+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY2PR10MB0598E3C507C227E712892C8DA6C10@BY2PR10MB0598.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Arrow Electronics (disty) has the lowest price

The picture they have for the part number below is wrong.  The p/n is for
the big clamp 31 material




31 material big clamp on
?
?    FAIR-RITE 0431177081

http://components.arrow.com/part/detail/48300806S8316702N4455



Jim
W6AIM







-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Jeffrey Otterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:39 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply

Hello Chip,

I did a lot of testing of KX3 power supplies, and the PAE is the quietest,
next to a linear power supply.

I had a fair amount of EMI problems, too, until I put a big ferrite bead
(Fair-Rite 0431176451) on the DC output wire.  I wound 6 turns though the
core, right at the power plug that goes into the KX3.  This brought the
noise down to barely audible, totally tolerable.

I bought the cores from Verical.com -- they had the best deal on them -- but
they appear to be out of stock.  Mouser's got them for under $8.  These are
the same cores that K9YC recommends in his "RF Interference to Audio
Systems" paper.

73

Jeff n1kdo

---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chip Stratton <lightdazzled at gmail.com>
> To:
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:38:50 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply The PAE power supply works 
> fine, but it still puts out enough hash that I can't use my loop 
> antenna near it. It is better than others? Probably, but still not 
> usable for me when near  the receiving antenna.
> Chip
> AE5KA
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From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 14:58:24 2016
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 14:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Message Memories
In-Reply-To: <C20A7F56-FCDC-4BF3-BE22-C5DE696CC132@mchsi.com>
References: <C20A7F56-FCDC-4BF3-BE22-C5DE696CC132@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <569E9560.9000606@gmail.com>

Computers are known to confuse people.

You said "to load some messages into the CW memories."  Those are 
different than than **macros** associated with the buttons on the K3.   
To program the buttons, you need to use the "Command Tester/K3 Macros" 
tab in the K3 Utility, NOT the "terminal" tab.

Yes, it's confusing.

73, Ken WA8JXM


On 1/18/16 3:16 PM, David Christ wrote:
> I have myself confused.  Is the KDVR3 required to use the CW message memories? At first I thought it wasn?t but I used the K3 Utility to load some messages into the CW memories.  Then I placed the K3 into test mode and CW mode.  When I press any of the M1-M4 keys I get the message  ?NO DVR? in the VFO B area.  So is the KDVR3 required or am I doing something wrong.  Neither the K3 manual or the Cady book have helped me understand this.  Neither says the KDVR3 is needed and the KDVR3 manual only talks about voice recording which implies it is not involved with CW message memories.


From brendon at whateley.com  Tue Jan 19 15:01:21 2016
From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:01:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <569E8411.5010808@sonic.net>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
	<569E8411.5010808@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAAR4bsi_MtwuY_mnN_LO6-3e2JzdsWPeFc-Nb8Lv7k4R4xV2kw@mail.gmail.com>

This discussion has made me curious -- especially when I carry my KX3
around at field day -- how much signal is safe and how much can do physical
front end damage?

Brendon KK6AYI


- Brendon

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> If you're worried about burning out the receiver front end, why not test
> it?  Add a 20 dB (or more) attenuator in front of the receiver and have
> your neighbor try transmitting on all bands and antennas.  The K3 S meter
> is pretty accurate.  Just add 20 dB to the reading to see how much RF is
> coming down the coax.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
>
> On 01/19/2016 05:17 AM, k8kzb at charter.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> My neighbor is a ham, right now I set up a webpage for us to
>> coordinate what band we are on so that we are not on the same band at
>> the same time. I originally set this up for field day but it also
>> works good for us.
>>
>>
>> We are both CW ops and have not ran into issues yet but, there is
>> always a but, we both want to make sure we do our best to protect our
>> equipment which we both have K3's.
>>
>>
>> I have a beverage that i use for 40 through 160 and i have a front
>> end protector on my rx input but what about 10 theough 30? I have a
>> beam and rotatable dipole for those bands so how do i protect my
>> receiver better on those bands?
>>
>>
>> Our tx antennas are roughly 300 feet apart, he has a vertical right
>> now and i have both a vertical and a beam to switch between. He plans
>> on a beam this summer and it will be the same distance apart.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts...
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jeff K8KZB
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile
>>
>>
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From nn6ee at icloud.com  Sat Jan 16 19:02:42 2016
From: nn6ee at icloud.com (Jim Davis)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:02:42 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] USB port in P3 ???
Message-ID: <1bcf4e3d-1127-4413-aa0e-b1ddee7c51bc@me.com>

Gentlemen,

Can anyone out here EXPLAIN to me the VARIOUS FUNCTIONS/ADVANTAGES of the "USB Keyboard port" in back of our recently modified P3 ??? ?About a half yr. ago we had some work down on our K3 & had installed in our P3 the "External VGA" board for using a "BIG SCREEN" for viewing the scope. I might add that it WORKS GREAT, but what I'm wondering about IS THE USB PORT NOW AVAILABLE in the rear of the scope/display !!! ?What ADDED FEATURES DOES IT ACTUALLY PROVIDE ??? ?I've READ the P3 manual but I'm not really getting anything of any MEANING FROM IT !!! ?Could someone out here give us "IN A NUTSHELL" what can be derived from using a KEYBOARD FROM SAID PORT !!!

Warmest Regards TO ALL!!!

JIM-NN6EE

From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Tue Jan 19 15:23:10 2016
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:23:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <WM!4612ef65cb96b3901c7de439d4cb8ccdf4a489f4fc5ae0cc0a12c68551698a337647b2ac4fd65d1807a426cd044b6c6a!@dmxscan1.liberty.edu>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
	<569D72DC.4080707@embarqmail.com>,
	<WM!4612ef65cb96b3901c7de439d4cb8ccdf4a489f4fc5ae0cc0a12c68551698a337647b2ac4fd65d1807a426cd044b6c6a!@dmxscan1.liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <74629A93-BB28-4018-BCAC-1D7CA131C673@liberty.edu>

I did that for a folding solar panel I purchased that put out 18V. A couple zeners dropped it to 15.3V. The panel doesn't have the juice for transmission, but fine for receive (or charging the batteries).

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 16:21, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I would suggest that you put a diode in series with that supply - rated at 5 amps.  That will reduce the voltage by the amount of the diode drop.
> Running the KX3 (or any other device) above the specified maximum voltage is done at your own peril - it may work, but it taxes the regulators and other devices.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> 

From ron.e.spencer at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 15:24:49 2016
From: ron.e.spencer at gmail.com (Ron Spencer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:24:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't transmit split (SSB) if monitoring sub
Message-ID: <CAECOSCjQ4cy1kvBtet05m4xRx5X6UxU3rYCiwj-QYbN1-BpqXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Set split on K3. Monitor sub and no rf out. Stop monitoring sub (still
split) and fine output. Same result on cw. And yes, I've hit a to B
twice so ALL shows. Thought I'd post here first for ideas.

Thanks
Ron
N4XD

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Tue Jan 19 15:40:43 2016
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:40:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
Message-ID: <569E9F4B.5010809@mebtel.net>

Jeff,

Pro Audio Engineering also has good stock of these cores and better 
pricing than Mouser.

Howie - WA4PSC

>>I bought the cores from Verical.com --
>>>they had the best deal on them --
>>>but they appear to be out of stock.



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 19 15:48:22 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:48:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <74629A93-BB28-4018-BCAC-1D7CA131C673@liberty.edu>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
	<569D72DC.4080707@embarqmail.com>
	<WM!4612ef65cb96b3901c7de439d4cb8ccdf4a489f4fc5ae0cc0a12c68551698a337647b2ac4fd65d1807a426cd044b6c6a!@dmxscan1.liberty.edu>
	<74629A93-BB28-4018-BCAC-1D7CA131C673@liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <569EA116.2070406@audiosystemsgroup.com>

There are other good solutions. Use the panels and charge controller to 
charge an outboard battery.  Now you DO have enough for TX.

Genasun is the best, no RF noise, very efficient.  They make different 
products that are designed for each type of battery chemistry, and for 
different power ratings. I use the GV-10 in my station.

http://genasun.com/products-store/mppt-solar-charge-controllers/

This SunForce is less efficient, no RF noise, but very inexpensive.  $17 
at amazon. Designed for lead-acid.  I used this unit in my station until 
I found the GV-10.

http://www.sunforceproducts.com/product_details.php?PRODUCT_ID=56

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,1/19/2016 12:23 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> I did that for a folding solar panel I purchased that put out 18V. A couple zeners dropped it to 15.3V. The panel doesn't have the juice for transmission, but fine for receive (or charging the batteries).
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 16:21, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I would suggest that you put a diode in series with that supply - rated at 5 amps.  That will reduce the voltage by the amount of the diode drop.
>> Running the KX3 (or any other device) above the specified maximum voltage is done at your own peril - it may work, but it taxes the regulators and other devices.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jan 19 15:57:04 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:57:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
Message-ID: <569EA320.10609@foothill.net>

I'm sending this to the list, many often ask that discussions that might 
apply to others *not* be taken off-line.

After 38 years on a 5 acre "farm" in Auburn CA, we moved last fall. 
This spring I will install a flag pole vertical in the backyard of our 
new [to us] home in Sparks NV.  I will also have an end-fed wire along 
the fence, commencing adjacent to the flag pole.  I want to remote my 
KAT500 at the base of the flag pole, and use it as both a auto-tuner and 
a remote antenna switch between the two antennas.  My HOA will be happy, 
I'll be able to make some RF and see my P3 at home, and I also can run 
remote to W7RN where the coefficient of aerial aluminum is very high.

I know that the KAT500 won't likely directly match the end-fed wire, I 
know how to deal with that, and I know that no "antenna tuner" has ever 
actually "tuned" an antenna. :-)

I will have about 120' of 2 1/2" PVC buried from the shack to the pole 
and will have room in it for power, coax, and control cables.  I plan to 
have the KAT500 & power supply in a weather-proof box at the base of the 
pole.

1.  Can I extend the AUX connections into the shack so the KAT500 will 
track the receiver?  If so, what kind of cable is required [I've heard 
CAT-5 will work?]

2.  Do I need to run any other circuits, other than coax and the AUX, 
from KAT500 into shack?

3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the 
Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter temps go 
down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything to 
prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain hole, ???].

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 19 16:02:04 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB port in P3 ???
In-Reply-To: <1bcf4e3d-1127-4413-aa0e-b1ddee7c51bc@me.com>
References: <1bcf4e3d-1127-4413-aa0e-b1ddee7c51bc@me.com>
Message-ID: <569EA44C.80300@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

If you connect a USB keyboard, you can type in text to be sent by the K3 
for data modes and CW.
You will find the information in the P3 SVGA option manual.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/16/2016 7:02 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Can anyone out here EXPLAIN to me the VARIOUS FUNCTIONS/ADVANTAGES of 
> the "USB Keyboard port" in back of our recently modified P3 ???  About 
> a half yr. ago we had some work down on our K3 & had installed in our 
> P3 the "External VGA" board for using a "BIG SCREEN" for viewing the 
> scope. I might add that it WORKS GREAT, but what I'm wondering about 
> IS THE USB PORT NOW AVAILABLE in the rear of the scope/display !!! 
>  What ADDED FEATURES DOES IT ACTUALLY PROVIDE ???  I've READ the P3 
> manual but I'm not really getting anything of any MEANING FROM IT !!! 
>  Could someone out here give us "IN A NUTSHELL" what can be derived 
> from using a KEYBOARD FROM SAID PORT !!!


From elecraft at g4fre.com  Tue Jan 19 16:05:57 2016
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:05:57 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15038.1453233353.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.15038.1453233353.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <001301d152fd$31dc9c00$9595d400$@com>

I have been using the so2rduino published in NCJ
(http://ncjweb.com/features/julaug10feat.pdf) for a while now. Cost under
$50. With the 3 sets of leads I made I can use it for so2r Phone , cw or FSK
rtty

Dave
WW2R

Looking for recommendations for SO2R interfaces.  My plan is to use my K3
and KX3.  I use N1MM+ for contesting software.  Modes: CW/SSB/RTTY

I saw a kit (currently not available) from *k1xm.org/
<http://k1xm.org/>SO2R/*
<https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#>

DX Doubler from Top Ten: http://www.qth.com/topten/DXD.HTM
Microham devices: http://www.microham-usa.com/

Feedback and recommendation with interfacing the K3 and KX3 rigs and use
would be appreciated.

Doug NA1DX
doug at ellmore.net



From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 16:26:26 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:26:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <em8cb0ab68-dc23-4cca-8220-714f354799c6@laptop2>
References: <em8cb0ab68-dc23-4cca-8220-714f354799c6@laptop2>
Message-ID: <569EAA02.4070601@socal.rr.com>

Huh re "The SignaLink is geared strictly for using the radio's audio 
in/out for doing digital modes."? Not in the current Signalink USB. And 
a good thing. The 11" MacBook Air I use for such things has mic and 
earphones on a 4-conductor jack so I prefer not messing with the 
internal audio vs. that in the Signalink USB for PSK31. As Don says, not 
good if you need to deal with KX3 I/Q outputs, but I use a PX3 for that :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/19/16 09:16 , Barry LaZar wrote:
> Don,
>     I agree. The SignaLink is geared strictly for using the radio's 
> audio in/out for doing digital modes. But, I do suggest Win4K3. After 
> having used both for a while, I concluded that Win4K3 is more a match 
> for the KX3.
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: "a45wg" <tim at sy-edm.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" 
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 1/19/2016 7:43:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Because you want to use the KX3 RX I/Q outputs to produce a spectrum 
>> display, you must have a soundcard with a stereo input.
>> That rules out the SignaLink which has only a mono input.
>> The Asus U5 or U7 will do the job for you quite nicely, and costs 
>> less than the SignaLink.
>> You can use the Asus for both digital modes and a spectral display.
>> Look at NaP3 or Win4K3 software applications.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
>>> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound 
>>> card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with 
>>> Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.
>>>
>>> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built 
>>> KX3 - using some software tools.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Tim, A45wg. Muscat


From fcady at montana.edu  Tue Jan 19 17:09:13 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:09:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YHZurkzSpBCsyCK89SbGpSjcZ_K137YMN3SfLsQLs-Mpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YHZurkzSpBCsyCK89SbGpSjcZ_K137YMN3SfLsQLs-Mpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB08090883499D487BA98924FFAFC10@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Mark,
You can find a list of keyboards that work at 
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/px3_keyboard_list_A3.pdf.

I use a logitec k360 wireless.

You can find a partial PX3 chapter detailing the Text Mode operation that became available in a recent firmware update at
http://www.ke7x.com/The-KX3

Look down toward the bottom of the page for "PX3 Text Mode pdf download"

Cheers,
Fred KE7X

For all KE7X Elecraft books see www.ke7x.com





________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:13 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

Hello,

I am looking for a keyboard to use with KX3/PX3 combo.

I am looking for a keyboard that has the following properties and was
hoping that someone might have a suggestion:

   - Compact (similar to the Logitech K810)
   - Backlit
   - Weatherproof (would be nice)
   - Well constructed

I found the SIIG JK-US0911-S1 Industrial/Medical Grade Washable Backlit
Keyboard with Pointing Device keyboard that seems to fit all my needs but
apparently wont (or might not) work.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00POYDFTK/ref=s9_simh_gw_g147_i1_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0JCP74W9ZZQKEEX52Z3C&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

Any recommendations?

Mark
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From neilz at techie.com  Tue Jan 19 17:13:17 2016
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
In-Reply-To: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
References: <93456EAE-0C7C-4499-9355-FA9AC5182F4E@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <569EB4FD.5040406@techie.com>

I'm currently using a Creative Labs Sound Blaster SB1095 with my laptop 
and the KX3.  I bought the KX3-PCKT cable set when I bought the kit, 
made it much easier not having to worry if the cables would work or not, 
for $19.95 it was a no brainer.

The SB1095 works well with WSJT-X for JT modes, as well as for other 
digital modes.  Its only $55.48 at Amazon, 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jbmva3l .

Neil Z
KN3ILZ

On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.
>
> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>
> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using some software tools.
>
> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Tim, A45wg. Muscat


From lists at subich.com  Tue Jan 19 17:33:06 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:33:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3DVR question - output to computer via KIO3B?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3n5HJCf0s8Y-V9Hm6W5sd9Szo_swpWLu_sUWF7Aza4MzE0tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3n5HJCf0s8Y-V9Hm6W5sd9Szo_swpWLu_sUWF7Aza4MzE0tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <569EB9A2.9050803@subich.com>


> If you record a QSO using the K3DVR, for example, is there any way to
> get that file to a computer (and off the K3 or K3DVR)?

No, there is no "path" for recorded off air audio to "Line out".

 > Possibly by using the KIO3B USB output?

The KIO3B USB Audio output is simply a digitized version of the
analog audio appearing at the Line Out jack.

You might be able to play the recorded QSO to your headphones/speaker
and connect that audio to an external sound card - I have not tried
that as I do not have a KDVR3.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/19/2016 12:53 PM, John Shadle wrote:
> Hi all,
> Looking at the manual, this isn't clear, so I'm going to ask here.
>
> If you record a QSO using the K3DVR, for example, is there any way to get
> that file to a computer (and off the K3 or K3DVR)? Possibly by using the
> KIO3B USB output?
>
> Thanks!
> -john NE4U
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From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Tue Jan 19 17:46:23 2016
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:46:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply
In-Reply-To: <WM!e6388a8b306e9c824183fc0eba51a5f4bf8b36c149d9d45039c6ebe56cb1e691128253fa70084bbe0ddea524a72cce7f!@dmxscan1.liberty.edu>
References: <A612EE2B-597F-45E0-B220-6573C6AD138F@iafrica.com>
	<569D72DC.4080707@embarqmail.com>
	<WM!4612ef65cb96b3901c7de439d4cb8ccdf4a489f4fc5ae0cc0a12c68551698a337647b2ac4fd65d1807a426cd044b6c6a!@dmxscan1.liberty.edu>
	<74629A93-BB28-4018-BCAC-1D7CA131C673@liberty.edu>
	<569EA116.2070406@audiosystemsgroup.com>,
	<WM!e6388a8b306e9c824183fc0eba51a5f4bf8b36c149d9d45039c6ebe56cb1e691128253fa70084bbe0ddea524a72cce7f!@dmxscan1.liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <344869BC-4440-4DC0-B07F-12891CC25310@liberty.edu>

I have a LiFePo from Bienno and the Buddipole charge controller for portable ops. Very tiny. System works well.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Jan 19, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> There are other good solutions. Use the panels and charge controller to charge an outboard battery.  Now you DO have enough for TX.
> 
> Genasun is the best, no RF noise, very efficient.  They make different products that are designed for each type of battery chemistry, and for different power ratings. I use the GV-10 in my station.
> 
> http://genasun.com/products-store/mppt-solar-charge-controllers/
> 
> This SunForce is less efficient, no RF noise, but very inexpensive.  $17 at amazon. Designed for lead-acid.  I used this unit in my station until I found the GV-10.
> 
> http://www.sunforceproducts.com/product_details.php?PRODUCT_ID=56
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
>> On Tue,1/19/2016 12:23 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> I did that for a folding solar panel I purchased that put out 18V. A couple zeners dropped it to 15.3V. The panel doesn't have the juice for transmission, but fine for receive (or charging the batteries).
>> 
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 16:21, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> I would suggest that you put a diode in series with that supply - rated at 5 amps.  That will reduce the voltage by the amount of the diode drop.
>>> Running the KX3 (or any other device) above the specified maximum voltage is done at your own peril - it may work, but it taxes the regulators and other devices.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Tue Jan 19 17:54:11 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:54:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <569EA320.10609@foothill.net>
References: <569EA320.10609@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1453244051357-7612805.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Fred,

I have been running my remote KAT500 for 3 CNY winters straight now without
any problems. My connection to the site (about 100 feet) is LMR400DB and
power (heavy duty extension cord) only. The communications is WiFi using a
Lantronics serial server talking to the KAT500 utility. I tried using
Ethernet for the communications but the noise and spurs were pretty bad. As
to your numbered questions:

1. I don't know as I have never tried or missed the AUX connection, but I
have also heard that other people have been successful with CAT5 or CAT6
cable.

2. I think having the serial connection to the KAT500 is very useful. Of
course it is essential if you don't have the AUX connection (I don't).

3. It  looks like I have about the same winter conditions as I do. My
enclosure is entirely open at the bottom and all cables come up here with a
drip loop. I have no heating system installed. If you think one is necessary
be sure to turn off during summer. BTW my installation is almost completely
shaded by heavy foliage in the summer. See a couple of pictures here:

http://ab2tc.com/

AB2TC - Knut



k6dgw wrote
> I'm sending this to the list, many often ask that discussions that might 
> apply to others *not* be taken off-line.
> 
> After 38 years on a 5 acre "farm" in Auburn CA, we moved last fall. 
> This spring I will install a flag pole vertical in the backyard of our 
> new [to us] home in Sparks NV.  I will also have an end-fed wire along 
> the fence, commencing adjacent to the flag pole.  I want to remote my 
> KAT500 at the base of the flag pole, and use it as both a auto-tuner and 
> a remote antenna switch between the two antennas.  My HOA will be happy, 
> I'll be able to make some RF and see my P3 at home, and I also can run 
> remote to W7RN where the coefficient of aerial aluminum is very high.
> 
> I know that the KAT500 won't likely directly match the end-fed wire, I 
> know how to deal with that, and I know that no "antenna tuner" has ever 
> actually "tuned" an antenna. :-)
> 
> I will have about 120' of 2 1/2" PVC buried from the shack to the pole 
> and will have room in it for power, coax, and control cables.  I plan to 
> have the KAT500 & power supply in a weather-proof box at the base of the 
> pole.
> 
> 1.  Can I extend the AUX connections into the shack so the KAT500 will 
> track the receiver?  If so, what kind of cable is required [I've heard 
> CAT-5 will work?]
> 
> 2.  Do I need to run any other circuits, other than coax and the AUX, 
> from KAT500 into shack?
> 
> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the 
> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter temps go 
> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything to 
> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain hole,
> ???].
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
> - www.cqp.org
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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 19 18:05:07 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:05:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003a01d1530d$d7a17ce0$86e476a0$@verizon.net>

Consider one of these: http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd 

73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
k8kzb at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 08:17
To: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference



My neighbor is a ham, right now I set up a webpage for us to coordinate what
band we are on so that we are not on the same band at the same time. I
originally set this up for field day but it also works good for us.


We are both CW ops and have not ran into issues yet but, there is always a
but, we both want to make sure we do our best to protect our equipment which
we both have K3's.


I have a beverage that i use for 40 through 160 and i have a front end
protector on my rx input but what about 10 theough 30? I have a beam and
rotatable dipole for those bands so how do i protect my receiver better on
those bands?


Our tx antennas are roughly 300 feet apart, he has a vertical right now and
i have both a vertical and a beam to switch between. He plans on a beam this
summer and it will be the same distance apart.


Thoughts...


73,

Jeff K8KZB 



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From w4rm at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 18:22:40 2016
From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] any later SN K3 for sale?
Message-ID: <037601d15310$4adec2b0$e09c4810$@aol.com>

If you're thinking about selling your later Serial Number K3 (4000 and up,
will also consider other that have been updated) and upgrading to a new K3S,
let me know what you have.  I still need one more K3 for my contest station.

 

Single Receiver or dual receiver, filters or no filters..doesn't matter.

 

Thanks,

 

73 Bill  W4RM


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jan 19 18:50:50 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:50:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't transmit split (SSB) if monitoring sub
In-Reply-To: <CAECOSCjQ4cy1kvBtet05m4xRx5X6UxU3rYCiwj-QYbN1-BpqXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAECOSCjQ4cy1kvBtet05m4xRx5X6UxU3rYCiwj-QYbN1-BpqXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <163B355C-0451-42F1-9E7B-F3524F0784B2@widomaker.com>

What is VFO B mode set to.


Sent from my iPad
...bc nr4c

> On Jan 19, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Ron Spencer <ron.e.spencer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Set split on K3. Monitor sub and no rf out. Stop monitoring sub (still
> split) and fine output. Same result on cw. And yes, I've hit a to B
> twice so ALL shows. Thought I'd post here first for ideas.
> 
> Thanks
> Ron
> N4XD
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From w2lj at verizon.net  Tue Jan 19 19:20:29 2016
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:20:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint this Tuesday Evening
Message-ID: <465e73706b581d46b3abdc13865a9f2b@192.168.1.3>

The January sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (January 20th,
EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Thursday, Janaury 21st, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201601.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/

From w2lj at verizon.net  Tue Jan 19 19:21:23 2016
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:21:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint this WEDNESDAY Evening
Message-ID: <312268dbb566a04cb2670feac45a5538@192.168.1.3>

The January sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (January 20th,
EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Thursday, Janaury 21st, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201601.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 19 19:30:01 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:30:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <003a01d1530d$d7a17ce0$86e476a0$@verizon.net>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com>
	<003a01d1530d$d7a17ce0$86e476a0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <569ED509.6090109@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/19/2016 3:05 PM, Ian wrote:
> Consider one of these:http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd  
>

The K3 is pretty well protected -- if, for example, you hit it with too 
much signal, the attenuator will kick in and the preamp will turn off. 
And if that doesn't reduce the signal enough, you'll get a HIGH SIGNAL 
warning on your display. In addition to that, there's a diode on the 
front end.

I'd verify that an RX is getting overloaded before spending dollars on 
this product. With antennas 300 ft apart, it's unlikely that you're 
going blow anything up unless the other station is running an amp.

73, Jim K9YC

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jan 19 19:45:07 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:45:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB port in P3 ???
In-Reply-To: <1bcf4e3d-1127-4413-aa0e-b1ddee7c51bc@me.com>
References: <1bcf4e3d-1127-4413-aa0e-b1ddee7c51bc@me.com>
Message-ID: <D0A21F02-69DD-42FE-98CA-574F30DA9C8B@widomaker.com>

With readily in DATA Submode PSK D or FSK D or CW you can type l the keyboard and the radio will send the message for you.  You can also put a USB stick in the port and save SVGA configure and screen shots to the memory stick. 

It's really kinda neat.  Did you check the current manual on line?  Or the release notes on the various FW upgrades involved?

Sent from my iPad
...bc nr4c

> On Jan 16, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Jim Davis <nn6ee at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Gentlemen,
> 
> Can anyone out here EXPLAIN to me the VARIOUS FUNCTIONS/ADVANTAGES of the "USB Keyboard port" in back of our recently modified P3 ???  About a half yr. ago we had some work down on our K3 & had installed in our P3 the "External VGA" board for using a "BIG SCREEN" for viewing the scope. I might add that it WORKS GREAT, but what I'm wondering about IS THE USB PORT NOW AVAILABLE in the rear of the scope/display !!!  What ADDED FEATURES DOES IT ACTUALLY PROVIDE ???  I've READ the P3 manual but I'm not really getting anything of any MEANING FROM IT !!!  Could someone out here give us "IN A NUTSHELL" what can be derived from using a KEYBOARD FROM SAID PORT !!!
> 
> Warmest Regards TO ALL!!!
> 
> JIM-NN6EE
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From rick at tavan.com  Tue Jan 19 21:20:38 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:20:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R recommendations
In-Reply-To: <569E7449.2090104@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CANAn7wy8=g0jWYN0voCd+-We+JoULLUJ6a39LzNQu+6iPqcC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<569E7449.2090104@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONAK7b2UoDF0mXKbkJfPm3LhqkQ5Fy-Hrf4AbJ68phKH2dQ@mail.gmail.com>

The other problem with DX Doubler, if you operate CW, is that it does not
contain an internal keyer. Thus, it doesn't know when you are sending by
hand or by computer. If you're sending by hand, you need a monitor. But if
you're sending by computer, you may want to listen to the non-transmit
radio in both ears and not want to hear the monitor. If that's your
operating style, then with DX Doubler you have to throw a switch to send
with the paddle. This drove me nuts so I got rid of it. The Microham
products do have internal keyers, as does my current favorite SO2R box, the
YCCC box. They know when you're sending with the paddle and can let the
monitor through without forcing you to listen to both radios when one is
sending a computer message. The YCCC box is also the least expensive of the
lot, does everything I want, and is, to my knowledge, the simplest box that
includes an internal keyer. It's a club project, though, and not always
available off the shelf. And it's a kit (a fun kit).

GL,

/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Tue,1/19/2016 5:59 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
>
>> I saw a kit (currently not available) from *k1xm.org/
>> <http://k1xm.org/>SO2R/*
>> <https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#>
>>
>
> This is the YCCC SO2R box, an EXCELLENT unit. I use it in my station. If
> there's a waiting list for the next group purchase of kits, get your name
> on it.
>
> The DX Doubler has Pin One Problems, a well known cause of hum, buzz, and
> RFI.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jan 19 21:57:46 2016
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:57:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
Message-ID: <005501d1532e$57bd7490$07385db0$@com>

He said that he has a protector on the Beverage.  The RG5000HD is for
receive antennas only so it will not work when he listens using his TX
antenna on 10m-30m.

John KK9A


Ian ik7565 at verizon.net 
Tue Jan 19 18:05:07 EST 2016

Consider one of these: http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd 

73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
k8kzb at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 08:17
To: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference



My neighbor is a ham, right now I set up a webpage for us to coordinate what
band we are on so that we are not on the same band at the same time. I
originally set this up for field day but it also works good for us.


We are both CW ops and have not ran into issues yet but, there is always a
but, we both want to make sure we do our best to protect our equipment which
we both have K3's.


I have a beverage that i use for 40 through 160 and i have a front end
protector on my rx input but what about 10 theough 30? I have a beam and
rotatable dipole for those bands so how do i protect my receiver better on
those bands?


Our tx antennas are roughly 300 feet apart, he has a vertical right now and
i have both a vertical and a beam to switch between. He plans on a beam this
summer and it will be the same distance apart.


Thoughts...


73,

Jeff K8KZB


From gtroberts at aggiemail.usu.edu  Tue Jan 19 22:27:07 2016
From: gtroberts at aggiemail.usu.edu (Gary Travis Roberts)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:27:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference
Message-ID: <0E9E89D6-CC28-4B89-9B31-D846FBA12BB0@aggiemail.usu.edu>

Is there a difference between and early version of the K3 and a later version?  Just wondering if it is not updatable, etc.

   Gary, AG1T


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jan 19 22:48:31 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:48:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference
In-Reply-To: <0E9E89D6-CC28-4B89-9B31-D846FBA12BB0@aggiemail.usu.edu>
References: <0E9E89D6-CC28-4B89-9B31-D846FBA12BB0@aggiemail.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <AB333800-29D8-461F-85ED-798294308C35@widomaker.com>

Check the website for mods and I think you'll find that virtually all the hardware mods and updates can be added to every vintage K3 up to April of 2015 when it was replaced by the K3S. 

Sent from my iPad
...bc nr4c

> On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Gary Travis Roberts <gtroberts at aggiemail.usu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Is there a difference between and early version of the K3 and a later version?  Just wondering if it is not updatable, etc.
> 
>   Gary, AG1T
> 
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 23:01:58 2016
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:01:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference
In-Reply-To: <0E9E89D6-CC28-4B89-9B31-D846FBA12BB0@aggiemail.usu.edu>
References: <0E9E89D6-CC28-4B89-9B31-D846FBA12BB0@aggiemail.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRW-X853yjJSeaieD_jOV6x3JbnjnnSQ8NzUw=h4-KM2Xw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, all K3's can be upgraded to the  point where the K3s was introduced.
My K3 S/N 0056 has been updated to the last configuration available.

73 - K0PP
On Jan 19, 2016 20:28, "Gary Travis Roberts" <gtroberts at aggiemail.usu.edu>
wrote:

> Is there a difference between and early version of the K3 and a later
> version?  Just wondering if it is not updatable, etc.
>
>    Gary, AG1T
>
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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Wed Jan 20 00:19:40 2016
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:19:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] USB port in P3 ???
In-Reply-To: <1bcf4e3d-1127-4413-aa0e-b1ddee7c51bc@me.com>
References: <1bcf4e3d-1127-4413-aa0e-b1ddee7c51bc@me.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP15632A69B115469F9D6CC57BFC20@phx.gbl>

I like to use the keyboard for sending CW.  The memories are a nice 
feature of the firmware.  Unfortunately, my unit has not been trouble 
free. YMMV,
Dick, n0ce

On 1/16/2016 6:02 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Can anyone out here EXPLAIN to me the VARIOUS FUNCTIONS/ADVANTAGES of 
> the "USB Keyboard port" in back of our recently modified P3 ???  About 
> a half yr. ago we had some work down on our K3 & had installed in our 
> P3 the "External VGA" board for using a "BIG SCREEN" for viewing the 
> scope. I might add that it WORKS GREAT, but what I'm wondering about 
> IS THE USB PORT NOW AVAILABLE in the rear of the scope/display !!! 
>  What ADDED FEATURES DOES IT ACTUALLY PROVIDE ???  I've READ the P3 
> manual but I'm not really getting anything of any MEANING FROM IT !!! 
>  Could someone out here give us "IN A NUTSHELL" what can be derived 
> from using a KEYBOARD FROM SAID PORT !!!
>
> Warmest Regards TO ALL!!!
>
> JIM-NN6EE


From k1whs at metrocast.net  Wed Jan 20 01:35:51 2016
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:35:51 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com><003a01d1530d$d7a17ce0$86e476a0$@verizon.net>
	<569ED509.6090109@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <60C7536D6A7F417899E6B75901DFED31@t30ce0d73e1b34>


Hello Brendan,
I have two ten meter 5 el yagi antenna arrays that are just under 300 ft 
apart. One is on a 70 ft tower and consists of three yagis. The other  is a 
single yagi at 30 ft. If the two yagis are boresighted on each other, I see 
only 17 dB of attenuation between them. I checked the isolation with a 
signal generator and a crystal detector with an HP 415E meter. This can blow 
out a front end even running 100 watts. Each yagi has almost 9 dBd gain in 
free space.  I guess it depends on what ur antenna is, but yagis on the 
higher bands can cause problems when aimed at each other. I did fry one K3 
using an amp with this setup. I took out a diode.
Be careful, and make a few checks to avoid surprises.
Dave K1WHS
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Brown" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference


> On Tue,1/19/2016 3:05 PM, Ian wrote:
>> Consider one of these:http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd
>
> The K3 is pretty well protected -- if, for example, you hit it with too 
> much signal, the attenuator will kick in and the preamp will turn off. And 
> if that doesn't reduce the signal enough, you'll get a HIGH SIGNAL warning 
> on your display. In addition to that, there's a diode on the front end.
>
> I'd verify that an RX is getting overloaded before spending dollars on 
> this product. With antennas 300 ft apart, it's unlikely that you're going 
> blow anything up unless the other station is running an amp.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Wed Jan 20 03:10:16 2016
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:10:16 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <60C7536D6A7F417899E6B75901DFED31@t30ce0d73e1b34>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com><003a01d1530d$d7a17ce0$86e476a0$@verizon.net>	<569ED509.6090109@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<60C7536D6A7F417899E6B75901DFED31@t30ce0d73e1b34>
Message-ID: <002501d1535a$03fb7bf0$0bf273d0$@co.uk>

In a multi-transmitter setup, use a simple throwaway RF detector to test
for potentially damaging levels of RF *before* connecting the second
radio. 

The simplest RF indicator consists of a 50-ohm resistor, one diode, one
capacitor and an LED, haywired together on the rear of an SO-239.
Sensitivity depends on the type of detector diode and LED, but typically
the LED will begin to glow at RF levels above a few tens of milliwatts
into 50 ohms. So if the LED shows anything more than a very dim glow, it
would be risky to connect a radio. 

And if the detector burns out, well, that was the whole point of using a
"throwaway" device - to take the bullet instead of your K3! Replace the
damaged parts and carry on testing.

(Obviously there's much more to say about this, but the details are
currently buried in unsearchable Yahoo archives.)


73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Dave Olean
>Sent: 20 January 2016 06:36
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
>
>
>Hello Brendan,
>I have two ten meter 5 el yagi antenna arrays that are just under 300
ft
>apart. One is on a 70 ft tower and consists of three yagis. The other
is a
>single yagi at 30 ft. If the two yagis are boresighted on each other, I
see
>only 17 dB of attenuation between them. I checked the isolation with a
>signal generator and a crystal detector with an HP 415E meter. This can
>blow
>out a front end even running 100 watts. Each yagi has almost 9 dBd gain
in
>free space.  I guess it depends on what ur antenna is, but yagis on the
>higher bands can cause problems when aimed at each other. I did fry one
K3
>using an amp with this setup. I took out a diode.
>Be careful, and make a few checks to avoid surprises.
>Dave K1WHS
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Brown" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:30 AM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
>
>
>> On Tue,1/19/2016 3:05 PM, Ian wrote:
>>> Consider one of these:http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-
>rg5000hd
>>
>> The K3 is pretty well protected -- if, for example, you hit it with
too
>> much signal, the attenuator will kick in and the preamp will turn
off. And
>> if that doesn't reduce the signal enough, you'll get a HIGH SIGNAL
warning
>> on your display. In addition to that, there's a diode on the front
end.
>>
>> I'd verify that an RX is getting overloaded before spending dollars
on
>> this product. With antennas 300 ft apart, it's unlikely that you're
going
>> blow anything up unless the other station is running an amp.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Jan 20 03:29:09 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:29:09 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
Message-ID: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Fred,

Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation than 
my sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not 
seal them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can 
exchange.  Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.

I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps 
making the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor 
strapped onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen 
to have 28v equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat 
within their wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of 
course this also provided some heating of the ambient air of the 
enclosure which helped keep moisture from forming even in 90% 
humidity of the fall.  It rains 8-days with one day off from August 
to October when temps finally drop below freezing and rain becomes 
snow.  You don't have anything near that.

One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is they 
are too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and 
in my environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill 
them out to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid 
invasion that is problematic.

PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about 
"critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined space 
before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!

73, Ed - KL7UW
------------------------------------------

3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter temps go
down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything to
prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain hole, ???].

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Wed Jan 20 03:52:25 2016
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:52:25 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <000901d1535f$e779c210$b66d4630$@co.uk>

I agree with Ed's experience in a damp climate.

One solution to venting an enclosure without letting in water or
wildlife is a 'membrane vent' made from Gore-Tex material. These are
available ready mounted in screw-in plugs (for example eBay item
#252244715964).

73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Edward R Cole
>Sent: 20 January 2016 08:29
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>
>Fred,
>
>Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation than
>my sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not
>seal them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can
>exchange.  Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>
>I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps
>making the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor
>strapped onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen
>to have 28v equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat
>within their wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of
>course this also provided some heating of the ambient air of the
>enclosure which helped keep moisture from forming even in 90%
>humidity of the fall.  It rains 8-days with one day off from August
>to October when temps finally drop below freezing and rain becomes
>snow.  You don't have anything near that.
>
>One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is they
>are too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and
>in my environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill
>them out to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid
>invasion that is problematic.
>
>PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about
>"critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined space
>before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>------------------------------------------


From vu2nks at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 04:09:26 2016
From: vu2nks at gmail.com (Nand Kishore)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:39:26 +0530
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 shut off with a bang
Message-ID: <CAPpz8FyicKxeuMJJix0c4oj=+v_U3ax=zwQNceivjG3SybqTbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

KPA500,S/no:1778 was being operated on RTTY  at approx.320W.
Antenna is a steppir beam.

Heard a loud DHOOP sound and the amp.went off.

Fuses intact.Opened the top and left side panel,nothing
seen as far as I can make out.

What should I be looking for?

73 and HNY.
Nandu
VU2NKS
ex-vu7ag,vu4kv

From ik7565 at verizon.net  Wed Jan 20 06:26:17 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:26:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <005501d1532e$57bd7490$07385db0$@com>
References: <005501d1532e$57bd7490$07385db0$@com>
Message-ID: <000601d15375$61394fc0$23abef40$@verizon.net>

With this device across the K3's RX in/out ports and RX ANT selected you can
use it with a single TX/RX antenna.  See p.41 of the K3S owner manual.
Works fb, very minimal insertion loss.
73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
john at kk9a.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 21:58
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference

He said that he has a protector on the Beverage.  The RG5000HD is for
receive antennas only so it will not work when he listens using his TX
antenna on 10m-30m.

John KK9A


Ian ik7565 at verizon.net
Tue Jan 19 18:05:07 EST 2016

Consider one of these: http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd 

73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
k8kzb at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 08:17
To: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference



My neighbor is a ham, right now I set up a webpage for us to coordinate what
band we are on so that we are not on the same band at the same time. I
originally set this up for field day but it also works good for us.


We are both CW ops and have not ran into issues yet but, there is always a
but, we both want to make sure we do our best to protect our equipment which
we both have K3's.


I have a beverage that i use for 40 through 160 and i have a front end
protector on my rx input but what about 10 theough 30? I have a beam and
rotatable dipole for those bands so how do i protect my receiver better on
those bands?


Our tx antennas are roughly 300 feet apart, he has a vertical right now and
i have both a vertical and a beam to switch between. He plans on a beam this
summer and it will be the same distance apart.


Thoughts...


73,

Jeff K8KZB

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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Wed Jan 20 08:44:50 2016
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:44:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB intermittently disconnects when transmitting
Message-ID: <01a101d15388$bd0a6dd0$371f4970$@carolinaheli.com>

I've checked the connections and can't seem to find anything to explain why
the USB disconnects from my PC when transmitting. It's not consistent.
Ideas?



Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan 20 08:55:22 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:55:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB intermittently disconnects when transmitting
In-Reply-To: <01a101d15388$bd0a6dd0$371f4970$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <01a101d15388$bd0a6dd0$371f4970$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <569F91CA.6080704@blomand.net>

Put a clamp-on ferrite with a turn or two through it and locate it at 
the USB port at the computer.     Mine did that too, but only when using 
the amp on 160M.  I figure it was a bit of RF being picked up on the cable.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163


On 1/20/2016 7:44 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I've checked the connections and can't seem to find anything to explain why
> the USB disconnects from my PC when transmitting. It's not consistent.
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
>
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From pincon at erols.com  Wed Jan 20 09:00:17 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <002501d1535a$03fb7bf0$0bf273d0$@co.uk>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com><003a01d1530d$d7a17ce0$86e476a0$@verizon.net>	<569ED509.6090109@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<60C7536D6A7F417899E6B75901DFED31@t30ce0d73e1b34>
	<002501d1535a$03fb7bf0$0bf273d0$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <004101d1538a$e852ae60$b8f80b20$@erols.com>

I've used a similar (simpler) test fixture which
consisted of a small "grain-of-wheat" bulb,
probably a 5V @ 30 mA, (??) wired directly across
the non-active antenna feed.  A rule-of-thumb is
if you see a glow, you're asking for trouble. 
Watching the bulb connected to a 600' Beveridge,
which is about 50 feet from both a 20-10M Log
Periodic and a 40/60/80/160M dipole, the bulb
would glow at varying intensities when
transmitting up to 100 W on all bands that the
antennas are designed for.  Some bands would show
hardly any glow at 100W but others would light the
lamp to full brightness at < 50 W with no rhyme or
reason to which bands.

It was enough to convince me to either NOT to
leave the Beveridge connected or make sure I had
some sort of protection.  I use a commercial
Collins "Receiver Protector" in line with the wire
which seems to be adequate even running an amp.

73, Charlie k3ICH


-----Original Message----
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Ian White
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:10 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference

In a multi-transmitter setup, use a simple
throwaway RF detector to test for potentially
damaging levels of RF *before* connecting the
second radio. 

The simplest RF indicator consists of a 50-ohm
resistor, one diode, one capacitor and an LED,
haywired together on the rear of an SO-239.
Sensitivity depends on the type of detector diode
and LED, but typically the LED will begin to glow
at RF levels above a few tens of milliwatts into
50 ohms. So if the LED shows anything more than a
very dim glow, it would be risky to connect a
radio. 

And if the detector burns out, well, that was the
whole point of using a "throwaway" device - to
take the bullet instead of your K3! Replace the
damaged parts and carry on testing.

(Obviously there's much more to say about this,
but the details are currently buried in
unsearchable Yahoo archives.)


73 from Ian GM3SEK




From jim at jtmiller.com  Wed Jan 20 09:06:50 2016
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:06:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB intermittently disconnects when transmitting
In-Reply-To: <01a101d15388$bd0a6dd0$371f4970$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <01a101d15388$bd0a6dd0$371f4970$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9yRba6-61J5ZqmcU_DOJA6QA_gsVrq2n=v6cySsdeNQKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jerry

RF in the shack? Describe your antenna, feedline, distance and choking and
maybe some of us can help.

73

jim ab3cv

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> I've checked the connections and can't seem to find anything to explain why
> the USB disconnects from my PC when transmitting. It's not consistent.
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Wed Jan 20 09:57:27 2016
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:57:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB intermittently disconnects when transmitting
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9yRba6-61J5ZqmcU_DOJA6QA_gsVrq2n=v6cySsdeNQKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01a101d15388$bd0a6dd0$371f4970$@carolinaheli.com>
	<CACYeN9yRba6-61J5ZqmcU_DOJA6QA_gsVrq2n=v6cySsdeNQKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01be01d15392$e1e1d760$a5a58620$@carolinaheli.com>

I first experienced this in a different room using a Buckmaster dipole at 35?. Issue occurred with 100w and with 40w, Only seems to happen with CW. I have been able to reproduce the error sometimes in test mode so no RF goes out (I?m currently attending CW Academy). 

I?ve changed offices and now use a 20m hamstick. 

 

I only intermittently have the issue when sending CW in test OR transmitting.

 

Jerry Moore

CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists

AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324

http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB

An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic.

 

From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com [mailto:jtmiller47 at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Miller
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:07 AM
To: Jerry Moore
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB intermittently disconnects when transmitting

 

Hi Jerry

 

RF in the shack? Describe your antenna, feedline, distance and choking and maybe some of us can help.

 

73

 

jim ab3cv

 

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

I've checked the connections and can't seem to find anything to explain why
the USB disconnects from my PC when transmitting. It's not consistent.
Ideas?



Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
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Patriotic.


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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 10:15:21 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:15:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB intermittently disconnects when transmitting
In-Reply-To: <01be01d15392$e1e1d760$a5a58620$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <01a101d15388$bd0a6dd0$371f4970$@carolinaheli.com>
	<CACYeN9yRba6-61J5ZqmcU_DOJA6QA_gsVrq2n=v6cySsdeNQKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<01be01d15392$e1e1d760$a5a58620$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1iQ2xB_1F-BF-3DhfLA8dp1w6BFsEq28iNjv0VhRcTUQ@mail.gmail.com>

RF in the shack and/or voltage between equipment cases. Very easily can
come from handful of separate causes which will all need to be
fixed.  Numerous causes.

No common bond for cases in shack. Problem with grounding. Lack of common
entry ground where cables come into dwelling. Antenna is very close and
cables in shack need ferrite. Insecure connection in connector wiring. Ad
nauseum.

Time to clean up and get proper. Read K9YC's treatise for pin one problems.

Welcome to an old club with many members.

73, Guy K2AV




On Wednesday, January 20, 2016, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> I first experienced this in a different room using a Buckmaster dipole at
> 35?. Issue occurred with 100w and with 40w, Only seems to happen with CW. I
> have been able to reproduce the error sometimes in test mode so no RF goes
> out (I?m currently attending CW Academy).
>
> I?ve changed offices and now use a 20m hamstick.
>
>
>
> I only intermittently have the issue when sending CW in test OR
> transmitting.
>
>
>
> Jerry Moore
>
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
>
>
> From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com <javascript:;> [mailto:jtmiller47 at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Jim Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:07 AM
> To: Jerry Moore
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB intermittently disconnects when
> transmitting
>
>
>
> Hi Jerry
>
>
>
> RF in the shack? Describe your antenna, feedline, distance and choking and
> maybe some of us can help.
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> I've checked the connections and can't seem to find anything to explain why
> the USB disconnects from my PC when transmitting. It's not consistent.
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
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> Patriotic.
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From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 10:24:19 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:24:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Nearby Ham Interference
In-Reply-To: <004101d1538a$e852ae60$b8f80b20$@erols.com>
References: <B66FA5D48B0A26BF.2-c659f220-2c57-4b83-b457-bea4d75a123b@mail.outlook.com><003a01d1530d$d7a17ce0$86e476a0$@verizon.net>	<569ED509.6090109@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<60C7536D6A7F417899E6B75901DFED31@t30ce0d73e1b34><002501d1535a$03fb7bf0$0bf273d0$@co.uk>
	<004101d1538a$e852ae60$b8f80b20$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <CA097472A12F4D9F91AB6DB7BAB05297@Toshiba>

I have one special low band receive antenna that I need to 
protect.  I use a grain of wheat bulb in series with the antenna 
with two back-to-back 1N5818 Schottky Diodes (low Vf) to ground 
on the receiver side.

You can use a receiver protector on the main TX antenna of a 
transceiver,  but the protector has to go in the RX ANT OUT / RX 
ANT IN loop, and then you have to select RX ANT for receiving.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ



From nz0tham at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 10:48:26 2016
From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:48:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker question
Message-ID: <1453304906885-7612832.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have used two speakers with my K3 for several years.  Lately I have noticed
that when the headphones are plugged in the left speaker stays on even
though I have speakers set to off in the menu.  This has not happened
before.  I use a 1/8 stereo plug in the rear speaker jack.  Everything works
normally except for the left speaker staying on when it shouldn't.  I have 2
speakers set in the menu and am using firmware 5.38.

Ideas?

73 Bill NZ0T



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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Wed Jan 20 11:03:11 2016
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 11:03:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Postal Price Increase
Message-ID: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>

Hi all,

Starting January 17, 2016, the USPS increased postal rates as much as 16%:

http://blog.stamps.com/2015/10/22/usps-announces-postage-rate-increase-starts-january-17-2016/ 


Pro Audio Engineering will hold our Priority shipping rates at the old 
price until the end of January.

Thank you!

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com

From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 20 11:33:08 2016
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:33:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Postal Price Increase
In-Reply-To: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>
References: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <1702788415.6430824.1453307578390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Howdy Howie!
Hey how do you do your shipping is it via PayPal or do you have some other personal postal set up? ? ?I have just added new K3 /K3s and P3 replacement side panels and I have to use the Medium Flat rate box for this. ?I have had some international orders for just the K3 sides at 49.95 but they get hit with over 60 bucks in shipping fees before this fee increase.
I am still having plastic issues and have been through 6 shops now still trying to get parts made. ?
Hope all is well with you and yours.... HAPPY NEW YEAR!
73 Scott AK6Q 

    On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:05 AM, Howard Hoyt [via Elecraft] <ml-node+s365791n7612833h57 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
 

  Hi all,

Starting January 17, 2016, the USPS increased postal rates as much as 16%:

http://blog.stamps.com/2015/10/22/usps-announces-postage-rate-increase-starts-january-17-2016/?


Pro Audio Engineering will hold our Priority shipping rates at the old 
price until the end of January.

Thank you!

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com
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From rick at tavan.com  Wed Jan 20 11:41:53 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:41:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference
In-Reply-To: <AB333800-29D8-461F-85ED-798294308C35@widomaker.com>
References: <0E9E89D6-CC28-4B89-9B31-D846FBA12BB0@aggiemail.usu.edu>
	<AB333800-29D8-461F-85ED-798294308C35@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONAJZQe0AM_bmhxLR82WX47bbSjWtVh+MuFgp9-UQ-iEhOQ@mail.gmail.com>

...and many of the improvements in the K3S can be retrofitted into a K3.
Elecraft has been superb in maintaining compatibility through its product
evolution.

/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> Check the website for mods and I think you'll find that virtually all the
> hardware mods and updates can be added to every vintage K3 up to April of
> 2015 when it was replaced by the K3S.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> ...bc nr4c
>
> > On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Gary Travis Roberts <
> gtroberts at aggiemail.usu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a difference between and early version of the K3 and a later
> version?  Just wondering if it is not updatable, etc.
> >
> >   Gary, AG1T
> >
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Wed Jan 20 12:04:54 2016
From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 11:04:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Ant2 dumb question
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAJZQe0AM_bmhxLR82WX47bbSjWtVh+MuFgp9-UQ-iEhOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0E9E89D6-CC28-4B89-9B31-D846FBA12BB0@aggiemail.usu.edu><AB333800-29D8-461F-85ED-798294308C35@widomaker.com>
	<CANVONAJZQe0AM_bmhxLR82WX47bbSjWtVh+MuFgp9-UQ-iEhOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D25664837F046B29CC0057050E4C707@MININTMC1HLDC>

I'm trying to finish up my 5BDXCC all I lack, of course, is 80M. I'm sitting 
at 50 confirmed as of this morning.  I have a 80M fullwave loop
up that is a great rx antenna but its height is only 40' so it really 
doesn't have the low angle of radiation I need to really reach out and touch
those far contacts.
So, I've started building a Inverted L with a folded counterpoise for 80M

My thoughts are, that I will use the L for transmitting and the loop for rx. 
However, I'm worried about induced RF getting back into my K3 ( which
I received about 2 weeks before the K3S came out GRRRRRRRRRR).  I burned up 
a HRO60 Rx like that once.

Does anyone know if Ant 2 is automatically disconnected or grounded when Ant 
1 is in transmit mode?

Thanks in advance

Ronnie W5SUM 


From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 20 13:18:27 2016
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:18:27 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>

>From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter invasion is 
prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the 
dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless steel 
gauze).  This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the base.

David
G3UNA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna


> Fred,
>
> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation than my 
> sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not seal them 
> airtight but provide good drain openings which air can exchange.  Of 
> course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>
> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps making the 
> action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor strapped onto 
> the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have 28v 
> equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within their 
> wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this also 
> provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which helped 
> keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It rains 
> 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally drop 
> below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near that.
>
> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is they are 
> too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in my 
> environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill them out 
> to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion that 
> is problematic.
>
> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about 
> "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined space 
> before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> ------------------------------------------
>
> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter temps go
> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything to
> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain hole, 
> ???].
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
> - www.cqp.org
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
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>     dubususa at gmail.com
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From we7kham at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 14:01:23 2016
From: we7kham at gmail.com (Tommy Berggren)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:01:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TEST
Message-ID: <CACw54TVk_iKe=_CVSfzO-Mdz6bkuxkoO_0FM7djgLcdE+0xdPA@mail.gmail.com>



From lew at n6lew.us  Wed Jan 20 15:03:06 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:03:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
Message-ID: <768F5562-4FA7-4656-9532-4D6A227612E8@n6lew.us>

But might not this re-introduce the surface tension problem?

Lew N6LEW


> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter invasion is prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless steel gauze). This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the base.
> 
> David
> G3UNA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net <mailto:kl7uw at acsalaska.net>>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
> 
> 
>> Fred,
>> 
>> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation than my sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not seal them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can exchange.  Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>> 
>> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps making the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor strapped onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have 28v equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within their wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this also provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which helped keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It rains 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally drop below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near that.
>> 
>> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is they are too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in my environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill them out to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion that is problematic.
>> 
>> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined space before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>> 
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
>> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter temps go
>> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything to
>> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain hole, ???].
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>> - www.cqp.org
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
>> Dubus Mag business:
>>    dubususa at gmail.com
>> 
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Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
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Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.






From we7kham at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 15:36:08 2016
From: we7kham at gmail.com (Tommy Berggren)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:36:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 6-meter pre-amp
Message-ID: <CACw54TUdqJmcQB-E68HBu738f_yX1LqZvNrgose_d-2BJ7hWjw@mail.gmail.com>

In like new condition.  Non-smoker. $75 shipped ground lower 48.

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 17:22:50 2016
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:22:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] TEST
In-Reply-To: <CACw54TVk_iKe=_CVSfzO-Mdz6bkuxkoO_0FM7djgLcdE+0xdPA@mail.gmail.com>
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Tommy,

Congratulations! You passed! :-)

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
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PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468


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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 20 18:13:07 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:13:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker question
In-Reply-To: <1453304906885-7612832.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1453304906885-7612832.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <56A01483.1050201@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

My guess is that you have a problem with the headphone jack.  My guess 
is that the contacts that say "headphones have been plugged" is working 
for the right channel, but the same contact for the left channel is failing.

As I said, that is just a guess on my part - the folks at K3support may 
have some other ideas, I suggest contacting them.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2016 10:48 AM, NZ0T wrote:
> I have used two speakers with my K3 for several years.  Lately I have noticed
> that when the headphones are plugged in the left speaker stays on even
> though I have speakers set to off in the menu.  This has not happened
> before.  I use a 1/8 stereo plug in the rear speaker jack.  Everything works
> normally except for the left speaker staying on when it shouldn't.  I have 2
> speakers set in the menu and am using firmware 5.38.
>
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 20 19:04:13 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:04:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for KX3 AM users to test new firmware
Message-ID: <A67EEA73-D443-4D14-81A6-4DB72A1DCFAD@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

I'm looking for a few AM ops to try the latest KX3 field-test firmware. AM transmit metering and power control now work correctly, and should provide better results both barefoot and when used with an amplifier. If testing goes well, the same changes will be made to the K3/K3S.

If you're interested in testing this new release, please email me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan 20 19:06:33 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Postal Price Increase
In-Reply-To: <1702788415.6430824.1453307578390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>
	<1702788415.6430824.1453307578390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A02109.1070109@subich.com>


> I have had some international orders for just the K3 sides at 49.95
 > but they get hit with over 60 bucks in shipping fees before this fee
 > increase.

International shipping was absurd *before* this last increase.  I had
foreign customers pay nearly as much to ship a cable as the cost of the
cable itself.  USPS may be pricing themselves right out of business.
With Regional Rate packages no longer available to small shippers
(those who do not mail more than 50 pieces at a time or pay a monthly
fee to a third party like Stamps.com, Endicia, etc.) and the absurd
increases on international, it's just getting out of hand.
73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/20/2016 11:33 AM, KD6QZX wrote:
> Howdy Howie!
> Hey how do you do your shipping is it via PayPal or do you have some other personal postal set up?    I have just added new K3 /K3s and P3 replacement side panels and I have to use the Medium Flat rate box for this.  I have had some international orders for just the K3 sides at 49.95 but they get hit with over 60 bucks in shipping fees before this fee increase.
> I am still having plastic issues and have been through 6 shops now still trying to get parts made.
> Hope all is well with you and yours.... HAPPY NEW YEAR!
> 73 Scott AK6Q
>
>      On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:05 AM, Howard Hoyt [via Elecraft] <ml-node+s365791n7612833h57 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
>
>
>    Hi all,
>
> Starting January 17, 2016, the USPS increased postal rates as much as 16%:
>
> http://blog.stamps.com/2015/10/22/usps-announces-postage-rate-increase-starts-january-17-2016/
>
>
> Pro Audio Engineering will hold our Priority shipping rates at the old
> price until the end of January.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com


From ha4zd at t-online.hu  Wed Jan 20 19:16:58 2016
From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?UTF-8?B?U3phYsOzIElzdHbDoW4=?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:16:58 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Postal Price Increase
In-Reply-To: <56A02109.1070109@subich.com>
References: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>
	<1702788415.6430824.1453307578390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56A02109.1070109@subich.com>
Message-ID: <56A0237A.5040607@t-online.hu>

Just bought a BCD-14 and paid more for shipping than the PCB cost. Might 
have bad long term effect on manufacturers also.
73, Istv?n ha4zd


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 20 19:20:38 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:20:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] VP8STI South Sandwich Isl K3 DXpedition on the air.
Message-ID: <56A02456.1020507@elecraft.com>

The VP8STI South Sandwich Isl. DXpedition is on the air with Elecraft K3 
transceivers and KPA500 amps.

For a pic of their site, see:
http://elecraft.com/DXpeditions/Elecraft_VP8.jpg

also see:
http://www.intrepid-dx.com/vp8/photos.php

Its COLD down there!

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 20 20:59:20 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:59:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Postal Price Increase
In-Reply-To: <56A02109.1070109@subich.com>
References: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>
	<1702788415.6430824.1453307578390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56A02109.1070109@subich.com>
Message-ID: <56A03B78.8020802@embarqmail.com>


i agree that International shipping is expensive (BTW, that does not 
include Alaska, Hawaii or US possessions such as Puerto Rica).

Domestic shipping is not as bad.  USPS has raised the rates on their 
Flat Rate shipping by a substantial amount, but the rates on USPS 
non-flat rate has not been increased as much.  Before shipping a 
package, weigh the package and check the USPS.com price calculator to 
see if your package is less expensive via normal Priority Mail or by 
Flat Rate - if the distance is short or the weight is small, regular 
Priority Mail may be less than the Flat Rate prices.
I do check and give my customers the benefit of whichever the lower rate 
may be.  Flat Rate is not always the most economical.  With non-flat 
rate, the package size makes a difference - if the dimensions do not 
exceed 12 inches in any direction, it will garner the lowest cost.  I 
use many of the 12X12X8 boxes that are provided by USPS at no cost for 
shipping when the Flat Rate shipping costs more than regular priority 
mail.  That size is adequate for the Elecraft K2 and smaller 
transceivers that I repair.

Still for international shipments, USPS may be less expensive than UPS 
in the long run.  UPS charges a "brokerage fee" for international 
shipments that may be anywhere between $30 and $100. That must be paid 
by the recipient.  USPS does not impose those same fees.  In other 
words, even though the USPS international rates are high, it may be much 
less than UPS to the customer.  I do not know of such fees for DHL and 
FedEx international shipments because I have no experience with them.

I have not done comparisons with the new USPS Priority Mail rates, but 
with the prior rates, USPS Priority Mail was only a bit more than UPS 
Ground, and delivery times (domestically) were 2 to 3 days.  UPS Ground 
rates were a bit lower, but delivery times were 5 to 7 days.  UPS 3 day 
select was more expensive than USPS Priority. So if delivery times are a 
criteria, then USPS Priority Mail may still be the choice.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/20/2016 7:06 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> I have had some international orders for just the K3 sides at 49.95
> > but they get hit with over 60 bucks in shipping fees before this fee
> > increase.
>
> International shipping was absurd *before* this last increase.  I had
> foreign customers pay nearly as much to ship a cable as the cost of the
> cable itself.  USPS may be pricing themselves right out of business.
> With Regional Rate packages no longer available to small shippers
> (those who do not mail more than 50 pieces at a time or pay a monthly
> fee to a third party like Stamps.com, Endicia, etc.) and the absurd
> increases on international, it's just getting out of hand.
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV


From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 21 02:08:24 2016
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:08:24 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <768F5562-4FA7-4656-9532-4D6A227612E8@n6lew.us>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com><F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
	<768F5562-4FA7-4656-9532-4D6A227612E8@n6lew.us>
Message-ID: <CE621A3471354DA782CD9F1133ACFF5D@DavidPC>

Yes, but the weight of water eventually pushes it through - it's cheap but 
not perfect. If you use a 20mm fitting as I did back then, water accumulates 
inside until a large droplet forms then exits. The Gortex is better but more 
$ ?.

David, G3UNA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lewis Phelps" <lew at n6lew.us>
To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna


> But might not this re-introduce the surface tension problem?
>
> Lew N6LEW
>
>
>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter invasion is 
>> prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the 
>> dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless 
>> steel gauze). This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the base.
>>
>> David
>> G3UNA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net 
>> <mailto:kl7uw at acsalaska.net>>
>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>
>>
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation than my 
>>> sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not seal 
>>> them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can exchange. 
>>> Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>>>
>>> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps making 
>>> the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor strapped 
>>> onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have 28v 
>>> equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within their 
>>> wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this also 
>>> provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which helped 
>>> keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It rains 
>>> 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally drop 
>>> below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near 
>>> that.
>>>
>>> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is they are 
>>> too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in my 
>>> environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill them out 
>>> to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion that 
>>> is problematic.
>>>
>>> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about 
>>> "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined space 
>>> before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>>>
>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
>>> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter temps go
>>> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything to
>>> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain hole, 
>>> ???].
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Fred K6DGW
>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>
>>>
>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>    dubususa at gmail.com
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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>> Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us <mailto:lew at n6lew.us>
> Lew Phelps N6LEW
> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
> Yaesu FT-7800
> Lew at N6LEW.US
> www.n6lew.us
>
> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put 
> together will fall apart.
>
>
>
>
>
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From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 02:39:14 2016
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:39:14 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <CE621A3471354DA782CD9F1133ACFF5D@DavidPC>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com><F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>	<768F5562-4FA7-4656-9532-4D6A227612E8@n6lew.us>
	<CE621A3471354DA782CD9F1133ACFF5D@DavidPC>
Message-ID: <001401d1541e$d8eedd60$8acc9820$@co.uk>

The key point about a semi-permeable vent is that it blocks liquid water
(and insects) from getting into the enclosure, but *always* allows water
vapor to escape.  As David points out, plain mesh won't do that under
all conditions.

In the UK, an equivalent to the Gore-Tex engineered vents is available
from Farnell for about ?5 ($7.50). Part numbers 2308394 (black) or
2308395 (grey).

CPC normally has them a little cheaper (part numbers EN83188 or EN83189)
but they are currently out of stock.

Compared with the value of the KAT500 inside the enclosure, a properly
engineered semi-permeable vent is a very good investment.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>David Cutter
>Sent: 21 January 2016 07:08
>To: Lewis Phelps; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>
>Yes, but the weight of water eventually pushes it through - it's cheap
but
>not perfect. If you use a 20mm fitting as I did back then, water
accumulates
>inside until a large droplet forms then exits. The Gortex is better but
more
>$ ?.
>
>David, G3UNA
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lewis Phelps" <lew at n6lew.us>
>To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>
>
>> But might not this re-introduce the surface tension problem?
>>
>> Lew N6LEW
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com>
>wrote:
>>>
>>> From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter
invasion is
>>> prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the
>>> dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless
>>> steel gauze). This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the
base.
>>>
>>> David
>>> G3UNA
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole"
<kl7uw at acsalaska.net
>>> <mailto:kl7uw at acsalaska.net>>
>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>
>>>
>>>> Fred,
>>>>
>>>> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation
than
>my
>>>> sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not
seal
>>>> them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can
exchange.
>>>> Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>>>>
>>>> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps
making
>>>> the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor
strapped
>>>> onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have
28v
>>>> equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within
their
>>>> wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this
also
>>>> provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which
helped
>>>> keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It
rains
>>>> 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally
>drop
>>>> below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is
they
>are
>>>> too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in
my
>>>> environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill
them out
>>>> to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion
that
>>>> is problematic.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about
>>>> "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined
space
>>>> before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>>>>
>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
>>>> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter
temps
>go
>>>> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything
to
>>>> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain
hole,
>>>> ???].
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>>    dubususa at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>______________________________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
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>> Lew Phelps N6LEW
>> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
>> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
>> Yaesu FT-7800
>> Lew at N6LEW.US
>> www.n6lew.us
>>
>> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been
put
>> together will fall apart.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From glen.torr at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 02:50:11 2016
From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:50:11 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3][XPA100] KX3 drops out of PA MODE ON
Message-ID: <CAP3kmB5KAXMWnMZuFv-tc4Gr=z+fdYS6n4OgpNX1L59bH8spUA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list participants,
I have a KX3 and a KXPA100 that till now have worked fine. Last night I
turned on the combo and set "PA MODE" to ON. The amp came on, it displayed
in sequence the ON, ANT1, MAN which went out to be replaced by AUTO.
About 7 seconds later the KX3 returned to "PA MODE OFF" and the amplifier
turned off.
The KX3 reset its output power to 5 W.
I have downloaded latest beta firmware for both but the problem remains.
There is an uncharged set of eneloop AA NiMh in the KX3.
I feel I have made a dumb mistake somewhere!
Any ideas?
I have searched to no avail.
Cheers,
Glen VK1FB

From duklaet at broadpark.no  Thu Jan 21 03:51:55 2016
From: duklaet at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hjalmar_Dukl=E6t=22?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:51:55 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3][XPA100] KX3 drops out of PA MODE ON
In-Reply-To: <CAP3kmB5KAXMWnMZuFv-tc4Gr=z+fdYS6n4OgpNX1L59bH8spUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3kmB5KAXMWnMZuFv-tc4Gr=z+fdYS6n4OgpNX1L59bH8spUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7810b7802b106.56a0aa3b@broadpark.no>

Hi Glen.
I've had this probleme several times and what I have to do (or at least do) is to disconnect the radio from the PC. After that it normally works. Maybe you have to switch the radio off/on. When everything works again, you can connect to the PC.
73 de Hal/la4xx

On 16-01-21 08:51, Glen Torr  <glen.torr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi list participants,
> I have a KX3 and a KXPA100 that till now have worked fine. Last night I
> turned on the combo and set "PA MODE" to ON. The amp came on, it displayed
> in sequence the ON, ANT1, MAN which went out to be replaced by AUTO.
> About 7 seconds later the KX3 returned to "PA MODE OFF" and the amplifier
> turned off.
> The KX3 reset its output power to 5 W.
> I have downloaded latest beta firmware for both but the problem remains.
> There is an uncharged set of eneloop AA NiMh in the KX3.
> I feel I have made a dumb mistake somewhere!
> Any ideas?
> I have searched to no avail.
> Cheers,
> Glen VK1FB
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> 

From vu2nks at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 04:29:01 2016
From: vu2nks at gmail.com (Nand Kishore)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:59:01 +0530
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
Message-ID: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>

KPA500 shut off with a bang while operating RTTY @300W.

Antenna is a steppir beam.

On opening the KPA500,found 2 ceramic? caps of VRF2933
adrift with underside of the said caps,black.

Have written to support.Is this the first time this has happened
in a KPA500?

73 and HNY,
Nandu
VU2NKS

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 04:53:37 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:53:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Updating on transmit on CW with VOX ?
Message-ID: <7D33F0BA-ABF7-42CB-B27D-8FCD1898FB98@yahoo.co.uk>

I notice that if I use VOX for CW on my KX3 that the PX3 does not stop updating the waterfall display while I transmit, despite the CW VOX Delay being set to 0.75 sec for semi break-in as I am using external transverter and linear amplifier with slow relays and a sequencer.  

The TX LED on the KX3 correctly remains on while I key and the Send signal to the transverter is solidly on transmit, yet the PX3 ignores this and still updates the waterfall showing my transmit sidetone which is not what I want. 

I could understand if the PX3 went back to displaying the receive between CW characters in full break in, but when the PTT signal from the KX3 to the transverter and amplifier is solidly asserted during the VOX delay it doesn't make sense to not stop the PX3 display from updating. 

Using a foot switch to make the PTT in CW does stop the PX3 from updating during transmit.

Just trying to understand the logic to this anomaly on the KX3/PX3 combo.

73 from David GM4JJJ

From wd1v at me.com  Thu Jan 21 06:54:15 2016
From: wd1v at me.com (John Seney)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 06:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on 2 Meters
Message-ID: <6B010964-372D-4245-9A5E-B80AB83014F5@me.com>

I have a KX3 and am curious to hear from users that have the 2 meter
module installed how you find the performance with the various
modes. Any good DX with SSB or CW?

73,

John
www.wd1v.com



From ormandj at corenode.com  Thu Jan 21 08:08:23 2016
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:08:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A feature that would be very handy (if possible) would be a mAh counter
that could be reset as needed. With many of the batteries we use in the
field (LiFePO4 external or high quality NiMH internal) having relatively
flat discharge curves, monitoring voltage doesn't give you a very good
indication of state of charge.

If there were a counter for mAh usage that could be reset as needed (new
external pack, internal batteries swapped, moving from a PSU to battery) we
could more accurately determine state of charge. Better yet, a configurable
alarm coupled with this would be amazing.

Hopefully this would be possible as we already have current draw available,
as I could see it being very useful for those of us operating portable,
ensuring we always know when to swap out/charge our batteries instead of
seeing the voltage drop relatively suddenly and needing to swap in a
hurry/at a non-ideal time.

Thank you,
David
K5DJO

From ve3rrd at sympatico.ca  Thu Jan 21 08:58:08 2016
From: ve3rrd at sympatico.ca (Al Duncan)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:58:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CD6221FCBEB44BC8F210058D8E97E63@delle520>

There are a number of compact devices available that do that and more. I use
the miniature "Watt's Up" watt meter/power analyzer which displays battery
voltage, current, mAh, watts and Wh. It came with APP connectors already
installed on short pigtail wires. It seems to be available from Amazon.com 
http://www.amazon.ca/Watts-Meter-Analyzer-WU100-Version/dp/B001B6N2WK 
It is powered by the battery it is monitoring and is reset by momentarily
disconnecting it from the battery.
73, AL - VE3RRD

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David
Orman
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:08 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter

Hi,

A feature that would be very handy (if possible) would be a mAh counter
that could be reset as needed. With many of the batteries we use in the
field (LiFePO4 external or high quality NiMH internal) having relatively
flat discharge curves, monitoring voltage doesn't give you a very good
indication of state of charge.

If there were a counter for mAh usage that could be reset as needed (new
external pack, internal batteries swapped, moving from a PSU to battery) we
could more accurately determine state of charge. Better yet, a configurable
alarm coupled with this would be amazing.

Hopefully this would be possible as we already have current draw available,
as I could see it being very useful for those of us operating portable,
ensuring we always know when to swap out/charge our batteries instead of
seeing the voltage drop relatively suddenly and needing to swap in a
hurry/at a non-ideal time.

Thank you,
David
K5DJO


From efortner at ctc.net  Thu Jan 21 09:44:48 2016
From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:44:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>

I would like to know what the continous keydown power output rating is. The
manual talks about ICAS. I know when I get on RTTY I does not take long for
The fans to come up to full speed running 300 watts.

Earl, K4Kay

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nand
Kishore
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:29 AM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown

KPA500 shut off with a bang while operating RTTY @300W.

Antenna is a steppir beam.

On opening the KPA500,found 2 ceramic? caps of VRF2933
adrift with underside of the said caps,black.

Have written to support.Is this the first time this has happened
in a KPA500?

73 and HNY,
Nandu
VU2NKS
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jan 21 09:56:39 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:56:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] CESSB Duty Cycle
In-Reply-To: <005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
Message-ID: <56A0F1A7.3080008@blomand.net>

The recent article in February QST describing the CESSB mode is of 
interest.  Just wondering if that mode can or will be added to the code 
operating the K3S?   Also, wondering if the higher duty cycle of the 
CESSB mode will exceed the ratings of the PA stage and that of the 
KPA500?  From what I read it seems that most SSB rated amps, past and 
present,  may have inadequate ratings for the higher duty cycle.

Thoughts?

73
Bob, K4TAX


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jan 21 10:06:26 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:06:26 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
Message-ID: <56A0F3F2.8070901@blomand.net>

As applied to solid-state transmitters, ICAS does not imply reduced 
device life, as unlike vacuum tubes, the RF power devices are not 
regarded as consumables. Rather, ICAS in a solid-state environment 
implies de-rating to keep the device junction and case temperatures 
within their maximum ratings. Thus, ICAS suggests a limited operating or 
'on' period followed by an 'off' or standby period of at least the same 
or longer duration, whilst CCS assumes continuous, key-down operation at 
reduced output (assuming the same heatsink area and/or fan air-flow 
rating for both applications).

Typically, a PA cooling system should be designed to keep the device 
case temperature in the range 70 ~ 80?C (158 ~ 176?F) at 25?C (77?F) 
ambient, for a 30-minute SSB voice transmission or a 5- to 10-minute 
?key-down? CW transmission at rated output. These are minimal duty cycle 
values for an amplifier operating in average amateur service. Longer 
?key-down? intervals, necessitating larger heat-dissipating surfaces and 
greater air circulation, are required for contest operation or at high 
ambient temperatures.


73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/21/2016 8:44 AM, efortner wrote:
> I would like to know what the continous keydown power output rating is. The
> manual talks about ICAS. I know when I get on RTTY I does not take long for
> The fans to come up to full speed running 300 watts.
>
> Earl, K4Kay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nand
> Kishore
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:29 AM
> To: elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
>
> KPA500 shut off with a bang while operating RTTY @300W.
>
> Antenna is a steppir beam.
>
> On opening the KPA500,found 2 ceramic? caps of VRF2933
> adrift with underside of the said caps,black.
>
> Have written to support.Is this the first time this has happened
> in a KPA500?
>
> 73 and HNY,
> Nandu
> VU2NKS
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 21 10:33:47 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:33:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E68A28E7-1882-4449-A208-6B88E3223A4A@elecraft.com>

This is already on the KX3 firmware task list. We tested the basic idea, and it works very well. Just a bunch of details in the UI to consider.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 21, 2016, at 5:08 AM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A feature that would be very handy (if possible) would be a mAh counter
> that could be reset as needed. 




From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 21 10:39:05 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:39:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] CESSB Duty Cycle
In-Reply-To: <56A0F1A7.3080008@blomand.net>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
	<56A0F1A7.3080008@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <9200E4D3-B143-4670-9A0B-4AC211E58650@elecraft.com>

The finals could handle it, just as they handle full-carrier modes like RTTY and FM. The bigger problem, specifically described in the article, is the power supply. Many operators who use SSB or CW only, not full-carrier modes, are using power supplies that are barely adequate. They can handle 20+ amps at light duty cycle, but not CESSB, etc.

As I mentioned previously, both the K3/K3S and KX3 have excellent speech compression already, and the difference between a fairly aggressive compression setting and CESSB is, in practice, rarely going to make a difference. That said, we will be playing with this in DSP code to see if it's worth the trouble.

Wayne
N6KR



On Jan 21, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> The recent article in February QST describing the CESSB mode is of interest.  Just wondering if that mode can or will be added to the code operating the K3S?   Also, wondering if the higher duty cycle of the CESSB mode will exceed the ratings of the PA stage and that of the KPA500?  From what I read it seems that most SSB rated amps, past and present,  may have inadequate ratings for the higher duty cycle.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX




From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 10:47:35 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:47:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CESSB Duty Cycle
In-Reply-To: <56A0F1A7.3080008@blomand.net>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
	<56A0F1A7.3080008@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <D99C062B-BF23-4430-8B2B-14A120F7080B@yahoo.co.uk>

Hi Bob,

It was an interesting article as are the QEX articles by the same author.

That QST article concludes that the RF amplifier likely won't be +thermally+ strained by the CESSB, as if means that amplifier stages are operating further towards the higher efficiency point. Normal SSB has lower average power but may as a result have increased dissipation because class AB RF amplifier efficiency drops at lower power.

However the author points out that +power supplies+ may well be strained by CESSB as average current will increase. Where you have an external PSU for your K3S it might not be a problem, but it may be with the KPA500 I suppose.

I can't speak for Elecraft and the K3(S), but in a recent email on the subject of possibly adding CESSB to the KX3, Wayne said they will look into it. No discussion was started about the K3 or K3S on this though, but you have asked, so perhaps we might get a hint on that too.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 14:56, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> The recent article in February QST describing the CESSB mode is of interest.  Just wondering if that mode can or will be added to the code operating the K3S?   Also, wondering if the higher duty cycle of the CESSB mode will exceed the ratings of the PA stage and that of the KPA500?  From what I read it seems that most SSB rated amps, past and present,  may have inadequate ratings for the higher duty cycle.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 10:48:19 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:48:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter
In-Reply-To: <E68A28E7-1882-4449-A208-6B88E3223A4A@elecraft.com>
References: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E68A28E7-1882-4449-A208-6B88E3223A4A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <EB723370-9B48-45BF-AD9F-96144D4C5600@yahoo.co.uk>

Excellent news Wayne.

Thanks for keeping us updated! 

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 15:33, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> This is already on the KX3 firmware task list. We tested the basic idea, and it works very well. Just a bunch of details in the UI to consider.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 5:08 AM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A feature that would be very handy (if possible) would be a mAh counter
>> that could be reset as needed.
> 
> 
> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 21 10:47:27 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:47:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <001401d1541e$d8eedd60$8acc9820$@co.uk>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
	<768F5562-4FA7-4656-9532-4D6A227612E8@n6lew.us>
	<CE621A3471354DA782CD9F1133ACFF5D@DavidPC>
	<001401d1541e$d8eedd60$8acc9820$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <56A0FD8F.8020809@montac.com>

Right...  THAT is how you have to look at it when you are
engineering/buying an enclosure.  NOT just at the acquisition costs, but
that you are preventing the loss of many hundreds or thousands of
dollars in equipment AND accomplishing the mission at the same time.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/21/2016 1:39 AM, Ian White wrote:
> Compared with the value of the KAT500 inside the enclosure, a properly
> engineered semi-permeable vent is a very good investment.


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jan 21 10:48:18 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:48:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <001401d1541e$d8eedd60$8acc9820$@co.uk>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
	<768F5562-4FA7-4656-9532-4D6A227612E8@n6lew.us>
	<CE621A3471354DA782CD9F1133ACFF5D@DavidPC>
	<001401d1541e$d8eedd60$8acc9820$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <E32BBFE9-6DBF-4BAB-829D-E097034E8622@wunderwood.org>

Gore-Tex might let moisture out, but it might let it in. Moisture migrates from the more humid side of the membrane to the less humid side. It is a pretty slow process.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The key point about a semi-permeable vent is that it blocks liquid water
> (and insects) from getting into the enclosure, but *always* allows water
> vapor to escape.  As David points out, plain mesh won't do that under
> all conditions.
> 
> In the UK, an equivalent to the Gore-Tex engineered vents is available
> from Farnell for about ?5 ($7.50). Part numbers 2308394 (black) or
> 2308395 (grey).
> 
> CPC normally has them a little cheaper (part numbers EN83188 or EN83189)
> but they are currently out of stock.
> 
> Compared with the value of the KAT500 inside the enclosure, a properly
> engineered semi-permeable vent is a very good investment.
> 
> 
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> David Cutter
>> Sent: 21 January 2016 07:08
>> To: Lewis Phelps; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>> 
>> Yes, but the weight of water eventually pushes it through - it's cheap
> but
>> not perfect. If you use a 20mm fitting as I did back then, water
> accumulates
>> inside until a large droplet forms then exits. The Gortex is better but
> more
>> $ ?.
>> 
>> David, G3UNA
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lewis Phelps" <lew at n6lew.us>
>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>> 
>> 
>>> But might not this re-introduce the surface tension problem?
>>> 
>>> Lew N6LEW
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter
> invasion is
>>>> prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the
>>>> dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless
>>>> steel gauze). This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the
> base.
>>>> 
>>>> David
>>>> G3UNA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole"
> <kl7uw at acsalaska.net
>>>> <mailto:kl7uw at acsalaska.net>>
>>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Fred,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation
> than
>> my
>>>>> sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not
> seal
>>>>> them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can
> exchange.
>>>>> Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps
> making
>>>>> the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor
> strapped
>>>>> onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have
> 28v
>>>>> equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within
> their
>>>>> wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this
> also
>>>>> provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which
> helped
>>>>> keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It
> rains
>>>>> 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally
>> drop
>>>>> below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near
>>>>> that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is
> they
>> are
>>>>> too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in
> my
>>>>> environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill
> them out
>>>>> to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion
> that
>>>>> is problematic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about
>>>>> "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined
> space
>>>>> before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
>>>>> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter
> temps
>> go
>>>>> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything
> to
>>>>> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain
> hole,
>>>>> ???].
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>>>   "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>>>   dubususa at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> Lew Phelps N6LEW
>>> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
>>> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
>>> Yaesu FT-7800
>>> Lew at N6LEW.US
>>> www.n6lew.us
>>> 
>>> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been
> put
>>> together will fall apart.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Jan 21 10:53:18 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:53:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
Message-ID: <56A0FEEE.4070904@socal.rr.com>

This in the specs in the KPA500 manual "Duty Cycle 
at 500 Watts 10 minutes key down / 5 minutes 
standby" seems pretty definitive for normal 
operations, even RTTY, Earl.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/21/16 6:44 AM, efortner wrote:
> I would like to know what the continous keydown power output rating is. The
> manual talks about ICAS. I know when I get on RTTY I does not take long for
> The fans to come up to full speed running 300 watts.
>
> Earl, K4Kay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nand
> Kishore
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:29 AM
> To: elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
>
> KPA500 shut off with a bang while operating RTTY @300W.
>
> Antenna is a steppir beam.
>
> On opening the KPA500,found 2 ceramic? caps of VRF2933
> adrift with underside of the said caps,black.
>
> Have written to support.Is this the first time this has happened
> in a KPA500?
>
> 73 and HNY,
> Nandu
> VU2NKS


From chambersjacob at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 10:53:29 2016
From: chambersjacob at yahoo.com (Jacob Chambers)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:53:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 raspy side tone
Message-ID: <AC996EBA-530C-4932-86D4-F550083DE142@yahoo.com>

Hello;
I have an older K2 that has developed a raspy, scratchy sounding CW note on receive. All bands affected. The transmit sidetone is clean as a whistle. Headphones or external sparker are the same. Seems like there is some popping and scratching when I bump or play with the AF gain control. Could that be it? And I'm thinking of spraying with DeOxit contact cleaner. Is that OK? Thanks! 
Jacob K4JQV

Sent from my iPad

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 11:01:18 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:01:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <56A0FD8F.8020809@montac.com>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
	<768F5562-4FA7-4656-9532-4D6A227612E8@n6lew.us>
	<CE621A3471354DA782CD9F1133ACFF5D@DavidPC>
	<001401d1541e$d8eedd60$8acc9820$@co.uk>
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Just a wee note about the fitting of those nice Gore vents. It is important to have a suitably sized vent or vents for the volume of box and the type of equipment inside it, and Gore can calculate that for you. 

For a simple small box for a masthead preamp it is OK to just choose one of the eBay or Farnell/CPC ones that you can buy in one off quantities, but for a larger enclosure with a big investment you want to do it right and the manufacturers will be happy to oblige. I went through Gore in the UK to get my info, and they even sent me free samples as their minimum order was for 100 off.

Unlike drain holes which would be in the bottom of the box, Gore vents are mounted on the vertical wall of the box.



73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 15:47, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Right...  THAT is how you have to look at it when you are
> engineering/buying an enclosure.  NOT just at the acquisition costs, but
> that you are preventing the loss of many hundreds or thousands of
> dollars in equipment AND accomplishing the mission at the same time.
> 
> 73,
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
> 
>> On 1/21/2016 1:39 AM, Ian White wrote:
>> Compared with the value of the KAT500 inside the enclosure, a properly
>> engineered semi-permeable vent is a very good investment.
> 
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 11:04:35 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:04:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <E32BBFE9-6DBF-4BAB-829D-E097034E8622@wunderwood.org>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
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Dear Walter,

Please see Gore's website where this is all explained.

http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/venting/protective/index.html

It is the way professionals do this, they don't use bits of gauze, wicks made from shoe laces or any of the other amateur solutions seen ;-)


73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 15:48, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> Gore-Tex might let moisture out, but it might let it in. Moisture migrates from the more humid side of the membrane to the less humid side. It is a pretty slow process.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> The key point about a semi-permeable vent is that it blocks liquid water
>> (and insects) from getting into the enclosure, but *always* allows water
>> vapor to escape.  As David points out, plain mesh won't do that under
>> all conditions.
>> 
>> In the UK, an equivalent to the Gore-Tex engineered vents is available
>> from Farnell for about ?5 ($7.50). Part numbers 2308394 (black) or
>> 2308395 (grey).
>> 
>> CPC normally has them a little cheaper (part numbers EN83188 or EN83189)
>> but they are currently out of stock.
>> 
>> Compared with the value of the KAT500 inside the enclosure, a properly
>> engineered semi-permeable vent is a very good investment.
>> 
>> 
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>> David Cutter
>>> Sent: 21 January 2016 07:08
>>> To: Lewis Phelps; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>> 
>>> Yes, but the weight of water eventually pushes it through - it's cheap
>> but
>>> not perfect. If you use a 20mm fitting as I did back then, water
>> accumulates
>>> inside until a large droplet forms then exits. The Gortex is better but
>> more
>>> $ ?.
>>> 
>>> David, G3UNA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lewis Phelps" <lew at n6lew.us>
>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> But might not this re-introduce the surface tension problem?
>>>> 
>>>> Lew N6LEW
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter
>> invasion is
>>>>> prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the
>>>>> dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless
>>>>> steel gauze). This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the
>> base.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> G3UNA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole"
>> <kl7uw at acsalaska.net
>>>>> <mailto:kl7uw at acsalaska.net>>
>>>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fred,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation
>> than
>>> my
>>>>>> sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not
>> seal
>>>>>> them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can
>> exchange.
>>>>>> Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps
>> making
>>>>>> the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor
>> strapped
>>>>>> onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have
>> 28v
>>>>>> equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within
>> their
>>>>>> wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this
>> also
>>>>>> provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which
>> helped
>>>>>> keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It
>> rains
>>>>>> 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally
>>> drop
>>>>>> below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is
>> they
>>> are
>>>>>> too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in
>> my
>>>>>> environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill
>> them out
>>>>>> to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion
>> that
>>>>>> is problematic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about
>>>>>> "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined
>> space
>>>>>> before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
>>>>>> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter
>> temps
>>> go
>>>>>> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything
>> to
>>>>>> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain
>> hole,
>>>>>> ???].
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>>>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>>>>  "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>>>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>>>>  dubususa at gmail.com
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>>>> Lew Phelps N6LEW
>>>> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
>>>> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
>>>> Yaesu FT-7800
>>>> Lew at N6LEW.US
>>>> www.n6lew.us
>>>> 
>>>> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been
>> put
>>>> together will fall apart.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From idarack at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 11:26:27 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:26:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <56A0FEEE.4070904@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>

In discussions with Elecraft at Dayton, we should be able to run the KPA500
at 300 watts during a RTTY contest. This would include Running versus S/P.
The fans on mine do come on high and I keep an eye on the temp reading. I
do need to stop occasionally to allow the amp to cool down. I am not sure
if there is a way to add an addition external fan to increase the air flow?

Irwin KD3TB

On Thursday, January 21, 2016, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> This in the specs in the KPA500 manual "Duty Cycle at 500 Watts 10 minutes
> key down / 5 minutes standby" seems pretty definitive for normal
> operations, even RTTY, Earl.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/21/16 6:44 AM, efortner wrote:
>
>> I would like to know what the continous keydown power output rating is.
>> The
>> manual talks about ICAS. I know when I get on RTTY I does not take long
>> for
>> The fans to come up to full speed running 300 watts.
>>
>> Earl, K4Kay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Nand
>> Kishore
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:29 AM
>> To: elecraft
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
>>
>> KPA500 shut off with a bang while operating RTTY @300W.
>>
>> Antenna is a steppir beam.
>>
>> On opening the KPA500,found 2 ceramic? caps of VRF2933
>> adrift with underside of the said caps,black.
>>
>> Have written to support.Is this the first time this has happened
>> in a KPA500?
>>
>> 73 and HNY,
>> Nandu
>> VU2NKS
>>
>
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-- 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jan 21 12:07:56 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:07:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <6DBE87FC-55C2-4406-BA21-1DB99D9BBA1A@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
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I have no doubt that the Gore solutions work well. But Gore does have an amazing hype machine, and has encouraged people to believe that putting a plastic membrane in clothing does something magic. The Gore vents will make sure that the inside of the box is about as humid as the air outside the box. That?s all.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 21, 2016, at 8:04 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear Walter,
> 
> Please see Gore's website where this is all explained.
> 
> http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/venting/protective/index.html
> 
> It is the way professionals do this, they don't use bits of gauze, wicks made from shoe laces or any of the other amateur solutions seen ;-)
> 
> 
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> 
>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 15:48, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Gore-Tex might let moisture out, but it might let it in. Moisture migrates from the more humid side of the membrane to the less humid side. It is a pretty slow process.
>> 
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The key point about a semi-permeable vent is that it blocks liquid water
>>> (and insects) from getting into the enclosure, but *always* allows water
>>> vapor to escape.  As David points out, plain mesh won't do that under
>>> all conditions.
>>> 
>>> In the UK, an equivalent to the Gore-Tex engineered vents is available
>>> from Farnell for about ?5 ($7.50). Part numbers 2308394 (black) or
>>> 2308395 (grey).
>>> 
>>> CPC normally has them a little cheaper (part numbers EN83188 or EN83189)
>>> but they are currently out of stock.
>>> 
>>> Compared with the value of the KAT500 inside the enclosure, a properly
>>> engineered semi-permeable vent is a very good investment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>>> David Cutter
>>>> Sent: 21 January 2016 07:08
>>>> To: Lewis Phelps; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, but the weight of water eventually pushes it through - it's cheap
>>> but
>>>> not perfect. If you use a 20mm fitting as I did back then, water
>>> accumulates
>>>> inside until a large droplet forms then exits. The Gortex is better but
>>> more
>>>> $ ?.
>>>> 
>>>> David, G3UNA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lewis Phelps" <lew at n6lew.us>
>>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> But might not this re-introduce the surface tension problem?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lew N6LEW
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter
>>> invasion is
>>>>>> prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the
>>>>>> dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless
>>>>>> steel gauze). This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the
>>> base.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> G3UNA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole"
>>> <kl7uw at acsalaska.net
>>>>>> <mailto:kl7uw at acsalaska.net>>
>>>>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Fred,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation
>>> than
>>>> my
>>>>>>> sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not
>>> seal
>>>>>>> them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can
>>> exchange.
>>>>>>> Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps
>>> making
>>>>>>> the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor
>>> strapped
>>>>>>> onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have
>>> 28v
>>>>>>> equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within
>>> their
>>>>>>> wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this
>>> also
>>>>>>> provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which
>>> helped
>>>>>>> keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It
>>> rains
>>>>>>> 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally
>>>> drop
>>>>>>> below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is
>>> they
>>>> are
>>>>>>> too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in
>>> my
>>>>>>> environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill
>>> them out
>>>>>>> to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion
>>> that
>>>>>>> is problematic.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about
>>>>>>> "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined
>>> space
>>>>>>> before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
>>>>>>> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter
>>> temps
>>>> go
>>>>>>> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything
>>> to
>>>>>>> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain
>>> hole,
>>>>>>> ???].
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>>>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>>>>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>>>>> "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>>>>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>>>>> dubususa at gmail.com
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>>>>> Lew Phelps N6LEW
>>>>> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
>>>>> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
>>>>> Yaesu FT-7800
>>>>> Lew at N6LEW.US
>>>>> www.n6lew.us
>>>>> 
>>>>> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been
>>> put
>>>>> together will fall apart.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From cozzicon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 12:13:17 2016
From: cozzicon at gmail.com (Michael Cozzi)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A111AD.4050808@gmail.com>


     Irwin,

     There's an easy modification you could do that might net 4-5c 
reduction in temperature.

     On the top of the amp install an additional matching fan blowing 
*in* through the intake. One could conceivably wire it to the fan power 
on the amp (though I would check what max draw is for that circuit). 
This will increase the air velocity, turbulence, and the CFM of the 
entire cooling chain.

     Learned this little trick working with computer water cooling. Was 
trying to keep a 220w TDP processor below 50c under load. If you can't 
get more surface area on a heat sink or radiator- increasing CFM and air 
turbulence can make a big difference.

     Michael KD8TUT

On 1/21/2016 11:26 AM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> In discussions with Elecraft at Dayton, we should be able to run the KPA500
> at 300 watts during a RTTY contest. This would include Running versus S/P.
> The fans on mine do come on high and I keep an eye on the temp reading. I
> do need to stop occasionally to allow the amp to cool down. I am not sure
> if there is a way to add an addition external fan to increase the air flow?
>
> Irwin KD3TB
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> This in the specs in the KPA500 manual "Duty Cycle at 500 Watts 10 minutes
>> key down / 5 minutes standby" seems pretty definitive for normal
>> operations, even RTTY, Earl.
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 1/21/16 6:44 AM, efortner wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to know what the continous keydown power output rating is.
>>> The
>>> manual talks about ICAS. I know when I get on RTTY I does not take long
>>> for
>>> The fans to come up to full speed running 300 watts.
>>>
>>> Earl, K4Kay
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Nand
>>> Kishore
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:29 AM
>>> To: elecraft
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
>>>
>>> KPA500 shut off with a bang while operating RTTY @300W.
>>>
>>> Antenna is a steppir beam.
>>>
>>> On opening the KPA500,found 2 ceramic? caps of VRF2933
>>> adrift with underside of the said caps,black.
>>>
>>> Have written to support.Is this the first time this has happened
>>> in a KPA500?
>>>
>>> 73 and HNY,
>>> Nandu
>>> VU2NKS
>>>
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From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 21 12:17:19 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:17:19 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <56A1129F.2010200@montac.com>

Thermal design and supplementation of existing designs is not often a
trivial task.  To do it properly, requires a well-reasoned, step-by-step
plan that is both scientifically and mathematically driven AND limited. 
One cannot break the laws of physics...  you can sometimes appear to
bend them, but you can't break 'em.

And on a fine piece of equipment like the KPA500, it would be all but
criminal NOT to do it right.  I've not had the privilege to see the
inside of one yet, but I do have a great deal of experience solving
thermal control problems.

Contact me offline if you're serious about this AND you have verified
that the amp is 100% operational and performing within specs.  Thermal
design is not a band-aid for ailing equipment.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/21/2016 10:26 AM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> I am not sure
> if there is a way to add an addition external fan to increase the air flow?


From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 21 12:24:32 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:24:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <56A111AD.4050808@gmail.com>
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	<56A111AD.4050808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A11450.8010109@montac.com>

Not a bad tip...  Additionally, IF you make sure your input fan has some
sort of filtering device on it, AND that as filtered produces 25%+ more
CFM than the exhaust fan, you will have a VERY slightly positive
pressured chassis which will assist in keeping the internals dust and
dirt free.

Don't make the mistake of just increasing the flow rate of an exhaust
fan...  Might help, but it will cause a slightly NEGATIVE internal
pressure which will overrun the intake vents and start sucking all
manner of grunge into the machine via every available crack and
crevice...  jacks, USB ports, chassis edges, etc.

The less dirt inside, especially on heat sinks, the better.

But again...  first step is to make SURE the unit is healthy and
performing within specs.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/21/2016 11:13 AM, Michael Cozzi wrote:
> On the top of the amp install an additional matching fan blowing *in*
> through the intake. One could conceivably wire it to the fan power on
> the amp (though I would check what max draw is for that circuit). This
> will increase the air velocity, turbulence, and the CFM of the entire
> cooling chain. 


From jeff at kc9wsj.us  Thu Jan 21 13:09:08 2016
From: jeff at kc9wsj.us (Jeff Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:09:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Postal Price Increase
In-Reply-To: <56A02109.1070109@subich.com>
References: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>
	<1702788415.6430824.1453307578390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56A02109.1070109@subich.com>
Message-ID: <56A11EC4.3030201@kc9wsj.us>

Yes, but think about it - fuel prices are... oh, wait. nevermind!

;^)

On 01/20/2016 06:06 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> I have had some international orders for just the K3 sides at 49.95
> > but they get hit with over 60 bucks in shipping fees before this fee
> > increase.
>
> International shipping was absurd *before* this last increase.  I had
> foreign customers pay nearly as much to ship a cable as the cost of the
> cable itself.  USPS may be pricing themselves right out of business.
> With Regional Rate packages no longer available to small shippers
> (those who do not mail more than 50 pieces at a time or pay a monthly
> fee to a third party like Stamps.com, Endicia, etc.) and the absurd
> increases on international, it's just getting out of hand.
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV 
-- Jeff, KC9WSJ EN52wf

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 21 13:12:08 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:12:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <56A0FEEE.4070904@socal.rr.com>
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Well ... it says that, in any 15 minute interval, you can be key-down 
continuously for 10 minutes followed by key-up for 5 minutes which looks 
like a 0.66 duty cycle on my slide rule.  Presumably, this could be 
followed by another such sequence.

Is 10 min down/5 min up repeatedly the same as 40 sec down/20 sec up 
repeatedly?  Intuitively, it seems to me that the PA-heatsink will come 
to some equilibrium temp and a 10m D/5m U duty cycle may not yield the 
same final temp as a 60s D/20s U duty cycle.  Then again, I struggled 
through Thermodynamics.

I know the original KPA500 field testers were encouraged to run the amp 
at "full bars."

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/21/2016 7:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> This in the specs in the KPA500 manual "Duty Cycle at 500 Watts 10
> minutes key down / 5 minutes standby" seems pretty definitive for normal
> operations, even RTTY, Earl.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX


From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 13:13:14 2016
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Raymond Benedict)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:13:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Pe text mode
Message-ID: <AFB9798B-6446-4264-9818-BF2FCC07CAED@gmail.com>

i am unable to switch my K3s/P3 display into text mode. i have the latest firmware.  Anyone suggestions?

Ray
W8LYJ

From jim at jtmiller.com  Thu Jan 21 13:20:59 2016
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:20:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <56A11F78.9070006@foothill.net>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACYeN9xt9++btr=dL82eJXhhG1QcdXjUxFJXdt0b2EsZ42tqYA@mail.gmail.com>

I've run echo tests on 6m EME for hours at a time which is 50% duty cycle
and 500w+.

I always run RTTY contests at 500+.

Yes the fans get going. That's what they're supposed to do. But I've never
had a problem.

73

jim ab3cv



On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Well ... it says that, in any 15 minute interval, you can be key-down
> continuously for 10 minutes followed by key-up for 5 minutes which looks
> like a 0.66 duty cycle on my slide rule.  Presumably, this could be
> followed by another such sequence.
>
> Is 10 min down/5 min up repeatedly the same as 40 sec down/20 sec up
> repeatedly?  Intuitively, it seems to me that the PA-heatsink will come to
> some equilibrium temp and a 10m D/5m U duty cycle may not yield the same
> final temp as a 60s D/20s U duty cycle.  Then again, I struggled through
> Thermodynamics.
>
> I know the original KPA500 field testers were encouraged to run the amp at
> "full bars."
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 1/21/2016 7:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
>> This in the specs in the KPA500 manual "Duty Cycle at 500 Watts 10
>> minutes key down / 5 minutes standby" seems pretty definitive for normal
>> operations, even RTTY, Earl.
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Jan 21 13:27:04 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:27:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CESSB Duty Cycle
In-Reply-To: <9200E4D3-B143-4670-9A0B-4AC211E58650@elecraft.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
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> That said, we will be playing with this in DSP code to see if it's
> worth the trouble.

In theory it should be worth the trouble as the distortion (other than
any increased background noise) should be less than typical "hard"
clipping with a non-phase equalized filter (for the K3, that's the
KFL3B-2.7 or KFL3B-2.8).  Put another way, the user should be able to
clip "harder" with less distortion using the CESSB algorithm.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/21/2016 10:39 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The finals could handle it, just as they handle full-carrier modes
> like RTTY and FM. The bigger problem, specifically described in the
> article, is the power supply. Many operators who use SSB or CW only,
> not full-carrier modes, are using power supplies that are barely
> adequate. They can handle 20+ amps at light duty cycle, but not
> CESSB, etc.
>
> As I mentioned previously, both the K3/K3S and KX3 have excellent
> speech compression already, and the difference between a fairly
> aggressive compression setting and CESSB is, in practice, rarely
> going to make a difference. That said, we will be playing with this
> in DSP code to see if it's worth the trouble.
>
> Wayne N6KR
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The recent article in February QST describing the CESSB mode is of
>> interest.  Just wondering if that mode can or will be added to the
>> code operating the K3S?   Also, wondering if the higher duty cycle
>> of the CESSB mode will exceed the ratings of the PA stage and that
>> of the KPA500?  From what I read it seems that most SSB rated amps,
>> past and present,  may have inadequate ratings for the higher duty
>> cycle.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> 73 Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Jan 21 13:32:33 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:32:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6ebup15+M9VG1RvaKE=et4QPOfNikPeuzVKW96CN0JmQ@mail.gmail.com>

All

I wanted to mention that for those that want long RS232 runs for devices
(Steppir, Rotator, Elecraft Amp),

I have been using these commercially for some time with great success.
They are made in the US and are pretty reasonably priced at about $35
each.  Of course, you need a pair of them.

Mike va3mw


http://www.rs485.com/prs422s.html

The RS422S is a fast Async bi-directional RS232 <=> RS422 interface
converter that will operate at data rates up to 115.2Kbps. The unit has
jumpers termination, RS232 DTE/DCE selection and, TTL/CMOS operation. The
unit has two RJ11/12 connectors an a pin header for power, common TTL/CMOS
TX data and RX data.

The RS422S is designed for office and/or indoor applications
(non-isolated). A pair of units and a 6-conductor reversing "telephone
style" cable can be used to form an RS232 "extension cord" for extended
operation beyond the RS232 specification.

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 13:38:04 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:38:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
In-Reply-To: <C231F0BE-8D15-4ED3-866A-E5AD761679DB@wunderwood.org>
References: <201601200829.u0K8TAIV027475@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<F51C6C95BD4041B9AE626665E844882D@DavidPC>
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Message-ID: <E7ADB039-CB37-435A-B457-0D480497A1C7@yahoo.co.uk>

Dear Walter,

It isn't -all- it does really - because without the vent the problem is that the water vapour that gets in due to diurnal temperature pressure differentials cannot get back out and then continues to build up inside and forms liquid water inside your lovely expensive box. Other solutions like drain holes have problems with blockage and insect ingress.

Further, it is normal to conformal coat the delicate the electronic PEC's to protect it from condensation you will still get, but equalising pressure with a breathable vent will stop that from becoming a pool of water. If you need more protection than this then you need to have a heater as well, possibly with a fan to assist with ventilation. It all depends on how much you have to protect from the damaging effects of water. The cost of these vents is tiny in comparison. 

I only mentioned Gore because that is one of the best know manufacturers of such membrane vents, but there are many others of a similar type and appearance. We all know of Gore-Tex breathable fabrics used in outdoor wear and how well they work. They all work on the same principle. 


73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 17:07, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> I have no doubt that the Gore solutions work well. But Gore does have an amazing hype machine, and has encouraged people to believe that putting a plastic membrane in clothing does something magic. The Gore vents will make sure that the inside of the box is about as humid as the air outside the box. That?s all.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 8:04 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Walter,
>> 
>> Please see Gore's website where this is all explained.
>> 
>> http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/venting/protective/index.html
>> 
>> It is the way professionals do this, they don't use bits of gauze, wicks made from shoe laces or any of the other amateur solutions seen ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>> 
>>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 15:48, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gore-Tex might let moisture out, but it might let it in. Moisture migrates from the more humid side of the membrane to the less humid side. It is a pretty slow process.
>>> 
>>> wunder
>>> K6WRU
>>> Walter Underwood
>>> CM87wj
>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The key point about a semi-permeable vent is that it blocks liquid water
>>>> (and insects) from getting into the enclosure, but *always* allows water
>>>> vapor to escape.  As David points out, plain mesh won't do that under
>>>> all conditions.
>>>> 
>>>> In the UK, an equivalent to the Gore-Tex engineered vents is available
>>>> from Farnell for about ?5 ($7.50). Part numbers 2308394 (black) or
>>>> 2308395 (grey).
>>>> 
>>>> CPC normally has them a little cheaper (part numbers EN83188 or EN83189)
>>>> but they are currently out of stock.
>>>> 
>>>> Compared with the value of the KAT500 inside the enclosure, a properly
>>>> engineered semi-permeable vent is a very good investment.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>>>> David Cutter
>>>>> Sent: 21 January 2016 07:08
>>>>> To: Lewis Phelps; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, but the weight of water eventually pushes it through - it's cheap
>>>> but
>>>>> not perfect. If you use a 20mm fitting as I did back then, water
>>>> accumulates
>>>>> inside until a large droplet forms then exits. The Gortex is better but
>>>> more
>>>>> $ ?.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David, G3UNA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Lewis Phelps" <lew at n6lew.us>
>>>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But might not this re-introduce the surface tension problem?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lew N6LEW
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From my work in the food industry (if memory serves), critter
>>>> invasion is
>>>>>>> prevented with 0.64mm square nylon netting.  This is common in the
>>>>>>> dress-making industry.  (I think it can also be found as a stainless
>>>>>>> steel gauze). This can be glued over a breather (drip) hole in the
>>>> base.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>> G3UNA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole"
>>>> <kl7uw at acsalaska.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:kl7uw at acsalaska.net>>
>>>>>>> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:29 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Fred,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Your high desert climate will probably produce less condensation
>>>> than
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> sub-arctic/maritime environ.  What I do for enclosures is to not
>>>> seal
>>>>>>>> them airtight but provide good drain openings which air can
>>>> exchange.
>>>>>>>> Of course the shelter is made to repel direct rain/snow.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I suspected that my TR relays were "freezing up" at lower temps
>>>> making
>>>>>>>> the action delayed so I used some big aluminum  Dale resistor
>>>> strapped
>>>>>>>> onto the relays to add direct heat by conduction.  I happen to have
>>>> 28v
>>>>>>>> equipment so used 28v thru the resistors to produce heat within
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> wattage rating (used 40w resistors at both relays).  Of course this
>>>> also
>>>>>>>> provided some heating of the ambient air of the enclosure which
>>>> helped
>>>>>>>> keep moisture from forming even in 90% humidity of the fall.  It
>>>> rains
>>>>>>>> 8-days with one day off from August to October when temps finally
>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>> below freezing and rain becomes snow.  You don't have anything near
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> One thing I have noticed about drain holes in some equipment is
>>>> they
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> too small to allow water to drop free due to surface tension and in
>>>> my
>>>>>>>> environ that results in the weep holes freezing tight.  I drill
>>>> them out
>>>>>>>> to 1/4 inch.  Of course if you are prone to insect/archnid invasion
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is problematic.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> PS: I lived five years in the high Mojave Desert so know all about
>>>>>>>> "critters of the desert" (never stick your hand into a confined
>>>> space
>>>>>>>> before kicking it to see what crawls out or "rattles"!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 3.  Reno/Sparks is a high desert [4,500'] directly adjacent to the
>>>>>>>> Carson Range and Sierra Nevada [really big mountains].  Winter
>>>> temps
>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> down into single digits, it does snow/rain.  Should I do anything
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> prevent condensation in the weatherproof box [light bulb, drain
>>>> hole,
>>>>>>>> ???].
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>>>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>>>>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>>>>>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>>>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>>>>>> "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>>>>>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>>>>>> dubususa at gmail.com
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>>>>>> Lew Phelps N6LEW
>>>>>> Pasadena, CA DM04wd
>>>>>> Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
>>>>>> Yaesu FT-7800
>>>>>> Lew at N6LEW.US
>>>>>> www.n6lew.us
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been
>>>> put
>>>>>> together will fall apart.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 21 13:44:45 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:44:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6ebup15+M9VG1RvaKE=et4QPOfNikPeuzVKW96CN0JmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6ebup15+M9VG1RvaKE=et4QPOfNikPeuzVKW96CN0JmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/21/2016 10:32 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I wanted to mention that for those that want long RS232 runs for devices
> (Steppir, Rotator, Elecraft Amp),

It helps to define "long." Distance for RS232 was originally defined in 
feet. Many years ago, it was redefined in terms of capacitance between 
conductors. Using cables as common as CAT5, lengths of 200 ft or more 
are no problem. Simply use one pair per signalling circuit.

73, Jim K9YC

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jan 21 13:47:10 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:47:10 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting KAT500 to base of antenna
Message-ID: <201601211847.u0LIlADb030357@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

At the risk of repeating myself, I do not use any mesh covering vent 
holes on enclosures that are above ground level (at least a few 
feet).  I've not had any intrusion of "critters" and we have wasp 
nests which seem to prefer underside of roof eves. I'm guessing the 
wildlife have plenty of alternative "homes" here at the edge of 
wilderness to bother with RF exposure! ;-)

I used ordinary window screen material in the bottom 4-inch diameter 
vent holes of my PS enclosure at my dish as the fans draw air into 
the box from a plenum area below and that is definitely spider and 
bug haven.  Exhaust vent is similarly screened.
http://www.kl7uw.com/DishPS_11.jpg
http://www.kl7uw.com/DishPS_09.jpg
http://www.kl7uw.com/DishPS_02.jpg
http://www.kl7uw.com/DishPS_03.jpg

In my amplifier boxes fans move air thru vents and heated air from 
high power equipment keeps condensation free in the interior if I run 
equipment often enough.  I do use stainless steel hardware which 
inhibits corrosion.

I have two Hoffman style boxes at the dish and three on the 2m-eme 
tower Hazer.  Except for the 2m-eme preamp/relay box all have 
amplifiers providing air heating.
http://www.kl7uw.com/1296PA_enclosure_1.jpg
http://www.kl7uw.com/2m-eme%20lowered.jpg

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
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     dubususa at gmail.com


From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 21 13:54:34 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:54:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Postal Price Increase
In-Reply-To: <56A11EC4.3030201@kc9wsj.us>
References: <569FAFBF.2070405@mebtel.net>
	<1702788415.6430824.1453307578390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56A02109.1070109@subich.com> <56A11EC4.3030201@kc9wsj.us>
Message-ID: <56A12969.70604@elecraft.com>

Folks - we're drifting way OT. Let's close this thread now in the interest of 
controlling list volume and overload for others.

73,

Eric
Moderator
/elecraft.com/

On 1/21/2016 10:09 AM, Jeff Schmidt wrote:
> Yes, but think about it - fuel prices are... oh, wait. nevermind!
>
> ;^)
>
> On 01/20/2016 06:06 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>


From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 21 13:58:44 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:58:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9xt9++btr=dL82eJXhhG1QcdXjUxFJXdt0b2EsZ42tqYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net> <56A0FEEE.4070904@socal.rr.com>
	<56A11F78.9070006@foothill.net>
	<CACYeN9xt9++btr=dL82eJXhhG1QcdXjUxFJXdt0b2EsZ42tqYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A12A64.40508@elecraft.com>

The KPA500 will automatically go into standby if it feels it is getting too hot. 
This is done with a safety margin between that temperature and the max operating 
temp for the PA's.

Its perfectly OK to operate it at the full fan speed. We expect it to go there 
in normal higher duty cycle operation.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/21/2016 10:20 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I've run echo tests on 6m EME for hours at a time which is 50% duty cycle
> and 500w+.
>
> I always run RTTY contests at 500+.
>
> Yes the fans get going. That's what they're supposed to do. But I've never
> had a problem.
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> Well ... it says that, in any 15 minute interval, you can be key-down
>> continuously for 10 minutes followed by key-up for 5 minutes which looks
>> like a 0.66 duty cycle on my slide rule.  Presumably, this could be
>> followed by another such sequence.
>>
>> Is 10 min down/5 min up repeatedly the same as 40 sec down/20 sec up
>> repeatedly?  Intuitively, it seems to me that the PA-heatsink will come to
>> some equilibrium temp and a 10m D/5m U duty cycle may not yield the same
>> final temp as a 60s D/20s U duty cycle.  Then again, I struggled through
>> Thermodynamics.
>>
>> I know the original KPA500 field testers were encouraged to run the amp at
>> "full bars."
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> On 1/21/2016 7:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>
>>> This in the specs in the KPA500 manual "Duty Cycle at 500 Watts 10
>>> minutes key down / 5 minutes standby" seems pretty definitive for normal
>>> operations, even RTTY, Earl.
>>>
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Jan 21 14:12:11 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CA+33ts6ebup15+M9VG1RvaKE=et4QPOfNikPeuzVKW96CN0JmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7D3N7i+NpYD0JwmorFEUsFu4vyapkUTXRubuGjaWjd6g@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Jim.

I have pushed long runs of RS232 at lower baud rates (4800) out to about
1000' for some temporary commercial applications.

Some of us just try it and see if it works, and others want to do what is
know to work.

Me, I'm a just try it type of person.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Thu,1/21/2016 10:32 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> I wanted to mention that for those that want long RS232 runs for devices
>> (Steppir, Rotator, Elecraft Amp),
>>
>
> It helps to define "long." Distance for RS232 was originally defined in
> feet. Many years ago, it was redefined in terms of capacitance between
> conductors. Using cables as common as CAT5, lengths of 200 ft or more are
> no problem. Simply use one pair per signalling circuit.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 21 14:17:22 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:17:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
Message-ID: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>

Thanks for all the input on my plan to remote my KAT500 to the base of a 
flag pole.  Plans are taking shape.  I still have a couple of specific 
questions:

1.  It appears that the "AUX cable" can be dispensed with using instead 
the KEY OUT line from the amplifier.  Before I give up on the "AUX 
cable," does anyone know how long a cable I could have?  My run will be 
about 120' [~37 m].  I think the signals in that cable are TTL levels 
but I don't know how CAT5/CAT6 twisted pair cables might work over that 
distance.

2.  With the KAT500 in its box at the antenna base, I'm trying to figure 
out how I would "train" the autotuner.  Before our move, I set my K3 to 
the center of each "bin" on each band, and tapped TUNE.  I did this for 
each of the three antennas I had on the appropriate bands.  It took 
awhile.  Thereafter, I ran the KAT500 in MAN mode and it recalled the 
right settings as I tuned in receive.  The "AUX cable" was connected. 
That method isn't going to work well with a remote KAT500.

3.  How do I get the cables into the weatherproof box?  Should I mount 
connectors [doesn't seem very good to me ... PL-259 exposed to the 
weather], or are there weatherproof entrance fittings.  One of the 
cables will be 120 VAC, probably a heavy extension cord [for 12V supply 
and the fixture to light the flag at night.

As has been pointed out, the not-so-expensive-box will be housing a 
fairly-expensive-KAT500.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

From wrcooke at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 14:52:40 2016
From: wrcooke at yahoo.com (WILLIS COOKE)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 19:52:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1373644700.6981205.1453405960381.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

The old criteria was 50 feet, but that was set before the specification for any twisted pair for digital, let alone Cat 5. ?In short, it it works well, it is OK but 200 feet sounds reasonable. ?RS-232 uses a 5 volt signal level. ?RS-422 uses a higher signal level, I believe 12 volts, but that is from memory. ?Watch out for the serial dongles that plug into USB ports. ?Some are not full RS232 and do not work except with certain connections, ham radio applications not included. ?Be careful and if it does not work, keep trying different dongles or get on the internet and find the brand and source for one that will work. ?If all else fails or if you want to be sure, buy a card based RS-232 or 488 interface that uses all DB-9 or DB-25 connectors. ??Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,VP of Tidelands ARS and TXPE K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS
 

      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
   
On Thu,1/21/2016 10:32 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I wanted to mention that for those that want long RS232 runs for devices
> (Steppir, Rotator, Elecraft Amp),

It helps to define "long." Distance for RS232 was originally defined in 
feet. Many years ago, it was redefined in terms of capacitance between 
conductors. Using cables as common as CAT5, lengths of 200 ft or more 
are no problem. Simply use one pair per signalling circuit.

73, Jim K9YC
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From cf at cfcorp.com  Thu Jan 21 15:03:40 2016
From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:03:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <1373644700.6981205.1453405960381.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1373644700.6981205.1453405960381.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016501d15486$d2768ab0$7763a010$@com>

RS-232 use +3 to +15VDC and -3 to -15VDC for signaling levels, thus -5 and +5 will work too, but *not* 0VDC and +5VDC

Like others, I've run RS-232 over 100's of feet.  RS-422 will go much further and has the advantages of multi-drop and noise immunity due to its differential nature.

73,

Cliff K3LL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:53 AM
To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422

The old criteria was 50 feet, but that was set before the specification for any twisted pair for digital, let alone Cat 5.  In short, it it works well, it is OK but 200 feet sounds reasonable.  RS-232 uses a 5 volt signal level.  RS-422 uses a higher signal level, I believe 12 volts, but that is from memory.  Watch out for the serial dongles that plug into USB ports.  Some are not full RS232 and do not work except with certain connections, ham radio applications not included.  Be careful and if it does not work, keep trying different dongles or get on the internet and find the brand and source for one that will work.  If all else fails or if you want to be sure, buy a card based RS-232 or 488 interface that uses all DB-9 or DB-25 connectors.   Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,VP of Tidelands ARS and TXPE K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS
 

      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
   
On Thu,1/21/2016 10:32 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I wanted to mention that for those that want long RS232 runs for 
> devices (Steppir, Rotator, Elecraft Amp),

It helps to define "long." Distance for RS232 was originally defined in feet. Many years ago, it was redefined in terms of capacitance between conductors. Using cables as common as CAT5, lengths of 200 ft or more are no problem. Simply use one pair per signalling circuit.

73, Jim K9YC
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 15:05:59 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:05:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
References: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <650CCA3A-5353-4AC6-A63E-D0FB5025E015@yahoo.co.uk>

Hi Fred,

Best to avoid connectors mounted -on- the box if possible, as it is another possible point of water entry through screw holes and connector holes.  Mil spec waterproof connectors are expensive.  

Of course it goes without saying that connectors for 120 V AC need to be suitable items for outdoor use. 

Use suitable panel mounted cable glands and pass the cables through them. 

You can then fit connectors on the ends of short cables from the enclosure for disconnecting them when you require, as it is much easier to wrap suitable self amalgamating tape and top covering of PVC tape for UV protection around an inline socket and plug than around a panel mounted socket on the enclosure. 

Good luck with your project.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 19:17, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the input on my plan to remote my KAT500 to the base of a flag pole.  Plans are taking shape.  I still have a couple of specific questions:


> 3.  How do I get the cables into the weatherproof box?  Should I mount connectors [doesn't seem very good to me ... PL-259 exposed to the weather], or are there weatherproof entrance fittings.  One of the cables will be 120 VAC, probably a heavy extension cord [for 12V supply and the fixture to light the flag at night.
> 


From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 21 15:25:21 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:25:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CA+33ts6ebup15+M9VG1RvaKE=et4QPOfNikPeuzVKW96CN0JmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <56A13EB1.9070803@montac.com>

This one is rated to 1250 meters... with CAT-3 cable (TELCO).  Use
better cable and proper terminations and you MIGHT be able to extend
that a bit.  Add an inline amp/repeater, and the distance could be
extended to... well... a long way...

How far you need to go?

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/21/2016 12:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Thu,1/21/2016 10:32 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>> I wanted to mention that for those that want long RS232 runs for devices
>> (Steppir, Rotator, Elecraft Amp),
>
> It helps to define "long." Distance for RS232 was originally defined
> in feet. Many years ago, it was redefined in terms of capacitance
> between conductors. Using cables as common as CAT5, lengths of 200 ft
> or more are no problem. Simply use one pair per signalling circuit.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Jan 21 15:35:16 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:35:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <56A13EB1.9070803@montac.com>
References: <CA+33ts6ebup15+M9VG1RvaKE=et4QPOfNikPeuzVKW96CN0JmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A13EB1.9070803@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6Yj5Fi+M36-aDpss0YLY4rwNF615cOrB1RfeRgY=Wzig@mail.gmail.com>

For me at my remote, it is only 100ft, so I am using RS232 for the rotator
and the steppir.

For a big ski race in Kitzbuhel Austria, we pushed RS485 (1/2 duplex) 6000m
at 19200 without an issue.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> This one is rated to 1250 meters... with CAT-3 cable (TELCO).  Use
> better cable and proper terminations and you MIGHT be able to extend
> that a bit.  Add an inline amp/repeater, and the distance could be
> extended to... well... a long way...
>
> How far you need to go?
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
>
> On 1/21/2016 12:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On Thu,1/21/2016 10:32 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> >> I wanted to mention that for those that want long RS232 runs for devices
> >> (Steppir, Rotator, Elecraft Amp),
> >
> > It helps to define "long." Distance for RS232 was originally defined
> > in feet. Many years ago, it was redefined in terms of capacitance
> > between conductors. Using cables as common as CAT5, lengths of 200 ft
> > or more are no problem. Simply use one pair per signalling circuit.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 21 15:37:14 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:37:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <679247934.7129380.1453408634315.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Holy smokes. If the ceramic was actually blown off of the transistor packages (!), be careful not to inhale any ceramic dust that may be present. That's beryllium oxide which is quite toxic in dust form.
Al? W6LX

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Jan 21 16:03:15 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <650CCA3A-5353-4AC6-A63E-D0FB5025E015@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
	<650CCA3A-5353-4AC6-A63E-D0FB5025E015@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7_qrO_BTSYda_ah1SOLPz==sgQH6-yuJgSpKShoRoLmA@mail.gmail.com>

My 2 cents on remote mounting and dealing with non-salted air.

I have long given up on keeping the water 100% out of the box.  I am 100%
in favour of keeping electronics dry (and there is a difference) and bug
free.

As an example, we had a linksys router 80ft up a tower in a tupperware
container with no bottom in it for 8 years in Northern Ontario (very HOT
and very very cold).  It never got wet and worked flawlessly.  Outside air
was allowed to flow all around it.

Everytime I tried to keep something dry in a box, all it did was trap the
water and high humidity inside.  :)

I know a WISP operator that now does exactly the same thing.  It is easier
to keep it dry and water resistant that waterproof.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 3:05 PM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Fred,
>
> Best to avoid connectors mounted -on- the box if possible, as it is
> another possible point of water entry through screw holes and connector
> holes.  Mil spec waterproof connectors are expensive.
>
> Of course it goes without saying that connectors for 120 V AC need to be
> suitable items for outdoor use.
>
> Use suitable panel mounted cable glands and pass the cables through them.
>
> You can then fit connectors on the ends of short cables from the enclosure
> for disconnecting them when you require, as it is much easier to wrap
> suitable self amalgamating tape and top covering of PVC tape for UV
> protection around an inline socket and plug than around a panel mounted
> socket on the enclosure.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>
> > On 21 Jan 2016, at 19:17, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the input on my plan to remote my KAT500 to the base of a
> flag pole.  Plans are taking shape.  I still have a couple of specific
> questions:
>
>
> > 3.  How do I get the cables into the weatherproof box?  Should I mount
> connectors [doesn't seem very good to me ... PL-259 exposed to the
> weather], or are there weatherproof entrance fittings.  One of the cables
> will be 120 VAC, probably a heavy extension cord [for 12V supply and the
> fixture to light the flag at night.
> >
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 21 16:08:01 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:08:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter
In-Reply-To: <9CD6221FCBEB44BC8F210058D8E97E63@delle520>
References: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CD6221FCBEB44BC8F210058D8E97E63@delle520>
Message-ID: <56A148B1.7020003@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/21/2016 5:58 AM, Al Duncan wrote:
> There are a number of compact devices available that do that and more. I use
> the miniature "Watt's Up" watt meter/power analyzer which displays battery
> voltage, current, mAh, watts and Wh.

Yes and no. All versions of this product I've seen read current in the 
NEGATIVE lead. That's fine of the unit is in series with the battery, 
but it will yield VERY WRONG data if inserted in series with equipment 
in a station.

At the Visalia DX Convention last spring, I found the Hamsource EZ Meter 
II, which reads current in the POSITIVE lead, and yields good data for 
individual equipment items in a station.

It does NOT read Ah.

73, Jim K9YC


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Thu Jan 21 16:19:43 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:19:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <679247934.7129380.1453408634315.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
	<56A0FEEE.4070904@socal.rr.com>
	<CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
	<679247934.7129380.1453408634315.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1453411183322-7612894.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

I had thought the use of beryllium oxide had been discontinued as the
insulator for RF power transistors, but no such luck: Here is the safety
note from Microsemi's data sheet:

"HAZARDOUS MATERIAL WARNING: The ceramic portion of the device below the
lead plane is beryllium oxide. Beryllium oxide dust is highly toxic when
inhaled. Care must be taken during handling and mounting to avoid damage to
this area. These devices must never be thrown away with general industrial
or domestic waste. BeO substrate weight: 0.703g. Percentage of total module
weight which is BeO: 9%."

AB2TC - Knut


alorona wrote
> Holy smokes. If the ceramic was actually blown off of the transistor
> packages (!), be careful not to inhale any ceramic dust that may be
> present. That's beryllium oxide which is quite toxic in dust form.
> Al? W6LX
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 21 16:36:59 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:36:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 raspy side tone
In-Reply-To: <AC996EBA-530C-4932-86D4-F550083DE142@yahoo.com>
References: <AC996EBA-530C-4932-86D4-F550083DE142@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A14F7B.4090106@embarqmail.com>

Jacob,

If the AF Gain is scratchy when turned, the best cure is to replace it.  
Those small pots are sealed, and I doubt that you could get any DeOxit 
into the body of the control.  Even if you can get some inside the pot, 
the "cure" will not be long lasting, you will eventually have to replace 
the pot, so 'bite the bullet' and do it now.
The carbon (or other material) that forms the resistive layer over which 
the wiper rides can become pitted and work with extended use - there is 
no way to fix that other than replacement.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/21/2016 10:53 AM, Jacob Chambers via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello;
> I have an older K2 that has developed a raspy, scratchy sounding CW note on receive. All bands affected. The transmit sidetone is clean as a whistle. Headphones or external sparker are the same. Seems like there is some popping and scratching when I bump or play with the AF gain control. Could that be it? And I'm thinking of spraying with DeOxit contact cleaner. Is that OK? Thanks!
>


From N7QS at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 16:40:11 2016
From: N7QS at aol.com (N7QS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Problem
Message-ID: <1d8961.5309b700.43d2aa3b@aol.com>

Hi Elecrafters, I just installed a KIO3B in my K3, SN8214. Installation was 
 easy, and I have it connected via the USB port to the computer.  I'm 
trying  to use it on digital modes: PSK31, PSK63 etc, using DigiPan and WSJT  
software.  The receive function is working perfectly; as a matter of  fact, it 
copies received text better than any other rig/software combination  I've 
ever used. The problem is that I can't get it to transmit.  The  software is 
sending the tones; when I switch to the sound card in the computer,  I hear 
the transmit tones coming from the computer speakers, but when I switch  to 
the sound card on the KIO3B, there's no output, even when I manually switch  
the K3 to Xmit.  No indication of power out or ALC action, and nothing  
heard on a second receiver. I went down the configuration list and made sure  
everything is set-up properly, as far as I can determine.  I'm running out  of 
ideas here, can anyone help?
 
73, Doug  N7QS   

From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 21 16:44:19 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:44:19 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
References: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <56A15133.5020402@montac.com>

1.  The AUX cable...  twisted pair cable or better, shielded twisted
pair cable, would be nice to use, but typically only has 4-pair (8
conductors), and the KAT-500 DB-15 pinout shows straight through wiring
of TEN (10) conductors (or 9 if you don't use have to have the ALC). 
You COULD get it down to 8 IF you only used one ground conductor and
then di-plexed it on each end.   I would NOT do this without a CLEAR
understanding why there are 2 grounds there to begin with.  CAT-5 when
used with Ethernet has a max run spec of 100 meters (I've run them
longer) and CAT-6 is the same EXCEPT it derates to 55 meters for 10 gig
data rate.  So, the cable isn't an issue... probably.  It has to do with
what signal types and levels are put on the interface, and what the
receiving end (both the ATU and the PA) need to SEE.

Definitely doable, IMHO.  But I'd need more info as to the interface
specifications to offer you a "will work" solution vs. a "should work"
solution.

Without ANY additional info, I would TRY it this way:

Use TWO (2) runs of CAT-6 to replace the AUX cable.  I'd ONLY put 4
signal wires on each cable.  I'd pair EACH signal with a ground... IAW,
use one conductor for the signal and its pair-mate as a ground.

YMMV, and I am not responsible if you let the smoke out of something.  ;-)

3. Cable entry to box:  Personally, I would NOT put cable junctions
external to the box... especially a 259 pair (I don't use 259 connectors
EVER outside).  There are cable "glands" made for various sizes of
cable.  Use the appropriate size for each cable.  ONE cable per gland. 
They are water-proof (resistant actually) based on their rating.  Put
the glands on the bottom preferably, side NOT facing prevailing storm
direction next, but never on top.  When you install the gland housing on
the box, seal it properly as extra insurance.  Using glands will ALSO
avoid the additional insertion loss and potential point of failure of
adding an additional connector, jumper wire, and moisture ingress on the
feedline(s), etc.

Feel free to email me direct...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/21/2016 1:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
> 1.  It appears that the "AUX cable" can be dispensed with using
> instead the KEY OUT line from the amplifier.  Before I give up on the
> "AUX cable," does anyone know how long a cable I could have?  My run
> will be about 120' [~37 m].  I think the signals in that cable are TTL
> levels but I don't know how CAT5/CAT6 twisted pair cables might work
> over that distance.
>
> 2.  With the KAT500 in its box at the antenna base, I'm trying to
> figure out how I would "train" the autotuner.  Before our move, I set
> my K3 to the center of each "bin" on each band, and tapped TUNE.  I
> did this for each of the three antennas I had on the appropriate
> bands.  It took awhile.  Thereafter, I ran the KAT500 in MAN mode and
> it recalled the right settings as I tuned in receive.  The "AUX cable"
> was connected. That method isn't going to work well with a remote KAT500.
>
> 3.  How do I get the cables into the weatherproof box?  Should I mount
> connectors [doesn't seem very good to me ... PL-259 exposed to the
> weather], or are there weatherproof entrance fittings.  One of the
> cables will be 120 VAC, probably a heavy extension cord [for 12V
> supply and the fixture to light the flag at night.
>
> As has been pointed out, the not-so-expensive-box will be housing a
> fairly-expensive-KAT500. 


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jan 21 16:57:08 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:57:08 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
Message-ID: <201601212157.u0LLv9Pp023348@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Fred,

I have used wx-proof fittings designed for small electrical conduit 
and/or cables to bring both ext cords, heavy power cable and RG-8 
sized coax into outdoor compartments.  Found them at local building 
and electrical supply.  Typically are plastic with rubber stopper and 
compression nut for fitting/sealing.  Stopper come with a range of 
hole sizes for cable.

I use bulkhead coax adapters on a 1/4-inch aluminum plate in a large 
rectangular wall opening to the house.  I would not do that if doing 
it over and instead bring cables in thru large PVC nipples.  Do the 
lightning abatement outside the house.  If you do not change cables 
often you could seal with spray in foam insulation.

Commercial installations do a similar thing with plastic entrance 
pipes that can accommodate three hardlines.  They have a rubber 
membranes with split openings for the cable.  Usually the entrance 
has a cable box.  But that stuff is real expensive so I make my own 
for ham radio.

73, Ed

-------------
3.  How do I get the cables into the weatherproof box?  Should I mount
connectors [doesn't seem very good to me ... PL-259 exposed to the
weather], or are there weatherproof entrance fittings.  One of the
cables will be 120 VAC, probably a heavy extension cord [for 12V supply
and the fixture to light the flag at night.

As has been pointed out, the not-so-expensive-box will be housing a
fairly-expensive-KAT500.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org



73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 21 17:12:47 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Problem
In-Reply-To: <1d8961.5309b700.43d2aa3b@aol.com>
References: <1d8961.5309b700.43d2aa3b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56A157DF.6040909@embarqmail.com>

Doug,

Bring up the USB soundcard on your computer and look at the output 
(speaker) volume.
Just how you do that is OS dependent so specific instructions are not 
possible at this point.
Make certain the "speakers" are not muted.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/21/2016 4:40 PM, Doug via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Elecrafters, I just installed a KIO3B in my K3, SN8214. Installation was
>   easy, and I have it connected via the USB port to the computer.  I'm
> trying  to use it on digital modes: PSK31, PSK63 etc, using DigiPan and WSJT
> software.  The receive function is working perfectly; as a matter of  fact, it
> copies received text better than any other rig/software combination  I've
> ever used. The problem is that I can't get it to transmit.  The  software is
> sending the tones; when I switch to the sound card in the computer,  I hear
> the transmit tones coming from the computer speakers, but when I switch  to
> the sound card on the KIO3B, there's no output, even when I manually switch
> the K3 to Xmit.  No indication of power out or ALC action, and nothing
> heard on a second receiver. I went down the configuration list and made sure
> everything is set-up properly, as far as I can determine.  I'm running out  of
> ideas here, can anyone help?
>   
>


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Thu Jan 21 17:39:37 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:39:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
References: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1453415977090-7612900.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

Interesting thread. We have seen everything from using a bottomless
Tupperware container with a single computer interface in it to a complete
house entry system. My remote CAT500 box is somewhere in between, but closer
to an oversize Tupperware box than anything else. I don't have an amplifier
so I don't think I can help you with question 1.

On the cable entry question, in my case just having the bottom of the box
wide open with cables coming in with drip loops have worked very well and at
least I have seen some support for this approach (the Tupperware container).
Here in CNY we don't have a huge critter problem, just some spider webs to
wipe down once in a while. Wasps seem to prefer it elsewhere as others have
noted.

AB2TC - Knut



k6dgw wrote
> Thanks for all the input on my plan to remote my KAT500 to the base of a 
> flag pole.  Plans are taking shape.  I still have a couple of specific 
> questions:
> 
> 1.  It appears that the "AUX cable" can be dispensed with using instead 
> the KEY OUT line from the amplifier.  Before I give up on the "AUX 
> cable," does anyone know how long a cable I could have?  My run will be 
> about 120' [~37 m].  I think the signals in that cable are TTL levels 
> but I don't know how CAT5/CAT6 twisted pair cables might work over that 
> distance.
> 
> 2.  With the KAT500 in its box at the antenna base, I'm trying to figure 
> out how I would "train" the autotuner.  Before our move, I set my K3 to 
> the center of each "bin" on each band, and tapped TUNE.  I did this for 
> each of the three antennas I had on the appropriate bands.  It took 
> awhile.  Thereafter, I ran the KAT500 in MAN mode and it recalled the 
> right settings as I tuned in receive.  The "AUX cable" was connected. 
> That method isn't going to work well with a remote KAT500.
> 
> 3.  How do I get the cables into the weatherproof box?  Should I mount 
> connectors [doesn't seem very good to me ... PL-259 exposed to the 
> weather], or are there weatherproof entrance fittings.  One of the 
> cables will be 120 VAC, probably a heavy extension cord [for 12V supply 
> and the fixture to light the flag at night.
> 
> As has been pointed out, the not-so-expensive-box will be housing a 
> fairly-expensive-KAT500.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
> - www.cqp.org
> <snip>





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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 21 17:44:01 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:44:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
Message-ID: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net>

Again, thanks to all.  To summarize for all who took the time to offer 
information and suggestions:

1.  From an Elecraft engineer [who I happen to know quite well]:  The 
AUX cable is probably not a good choice to extend.  In addition to 
voltage and RFI issues, there are timing constraints on those circuits. 
  I can do what I need with RS-232.

2.  I should be able to make RS-232 work.  I personally know that many 
so-called RS-232 drivers use +/-5 V rather than +/-12 V.  This is a 
problem I can solve.

3.  Universal agreement on no connectors outside.  Almost universal 
agreement on "no connectors penetrating the housing."  Almost universal 
agreement on cable entrance glands of one type or another.

4.  Condensate drain(s) are a must.  There is universal agreement that 
water (and apparently other things) runs downhill. :-)  I learned that 
changes in inside vs outside pressure over the day will also initiate 
condensation [did not understand how that works].

5.  Insectus Multileggus tend to be somewhat limited in our area due to 
hard winter freezes and reduced summer precipitation, but I will need to 
keep them out.  We have small bunnies [not jack rabbits] that abound 
[and chew] around here, it appears that our backyard is immune right now 
but I will protect the cable drip loops anyway.  I will personally 
congratulate any gopher or mole that can dig through our caliche.

6.  Right now, I'm leaning toward a large enough PVC pipe, several 
inches long and open at the bottom [except for critter control] for 
cable entrance, condensate drain, and pressure equalization.  I'll 
probably put a light bulb in the case.  There is universal agreement 
that I need common-mode chokes at the ends and maybe along the cable 
runs inside the conduit.  Fortunately, I know K9YC, I'll consult with 
him on those.

Thanks to all for all the information, advice, ideas, and guidance. 
I'll post occasionally as this plan progresses.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

From paul.wilton at tesco.net  Thu Jan 21 17:51:20 2016
From: paul.wilton at tesco.net (Paul Wilton)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:51:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Re Remote KAT500
Message-ID: <A8F8F2B8-D4FE-4F36-9DEE-A320F9C346FB@tesco.net>

On military equipment which has to be sealed from the elements there are two main approaches:

1) use a very well sealed metal box with o-rings etc. This will drag in some moisture owing to hearing/cooling cycles. You mitigate this by putting a bag of desiccant inside. Seal manufactures will give you the amount of moisture a seal material will leak over time. Multiply it up by the number of cycles then work out how much moisture the desiccant needs to absorb. 
2) for those enclosures which cannot be sealed for operational reasons (such as a rugged outdoor microphone), use a GoreTex type breather as discussed for pressure equalisation but back it up with a bag of desiccant in the box. 

If you do the maths, you will find that a bag of desiccant can last a very long time even with the GoreTex type breather. On one project, even under worse case circumstances (which included unpressurised flight to 30,000feet), the small bag of desiccant would last 15 years. 

The good news is that a large bag of silica gell is not that expensive. Just don't split the bag and then get it wet........


Paul Wilton
M1CNK

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 21 18:11:10 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:11:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net>
References: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <56A1658E.7000706@embarqmail.com>

Fred,

"Real" RS-232 drivers use +/- 15 volts rather than +/-5 or even +/- 12 
volts - the maximum open circuit voltage is +/- 25 volts.
The key is that at the receiver end, the levels must be +/-3 volts or 
greater.  Both cable resistance and cable capacitance will reduce the 
levels at the end of a long run.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/21/2016 5:44 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
> 2.  I should be able to make RS-232 work.  I personally know that many 
> so-called RS-232 drivers use +/-5 V rather than +/-12 V. This is a 
> problem I can solve.
>


From fcady at montana.edu  Thu Jan 21 19:02:04 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:02:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Pe text mode
In-Reply-To: <AFB9798B-6446-4264-9818-BF2FCC07CAED@gmail.com>
References: <AFB9798B-6446-4264-9818-BF2FCC07CAED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB0809459006399ACEC1FFFFF2AFC30@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Ray,
In the P3 SVGA menu you will find SVGA data. Tap Select to toggle the data display on and off.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X

For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com

________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Raymond Benedict <anyone1545 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:13 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Pe text mode

i am unable to switch my K3s/P3 display into text mode. i have the latest firmware.  Anyone suggestions?

Ray
W8LYJ
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 21 19:13:55 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:13:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <56A1658E.7000706@embarqmail.com>
References: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net> <56A1658E.7000706@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A17443.2080806@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/21/2016 3:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Both cable resistance and cable capacitance will reduce the levels at 
> the end of a long run. 

Cable capacitance rolls off the high end, which softens the rise and 
fall time of the pulses. The primary effect is to limit the baud rate.

73, Jim K9YC

From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 21 19:36:27 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:36:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net>
References: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <56A1798B.3020901@montac.com>


On 1/21/2016 4:44 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> 1.  From an Elecraft engineer [who I happen to know quite well]:  The
> AUX cable is probably not a good choice to extend.  In addition to
> voltage and RFI issues, there are timing constraints on those
> circuits.  I can do what I need with RS-232.
LOL!  Yep, that's what I was thinking...  Ethernet has voltage, RFI, and
timing constraints, too.  That just makes me want to test it to find out
if I can make it work now...  <diabolical grin and air-washing of hands>

> 4.  Condensate drain(s) are a must.  There is universal agreement that
> water (and apparently other things) runs downhill. :-)  I learned that
> changes in inside vs outside pressure over the day will also initiate
> condensation [did not understand how that works].
Pressure AND temp changes, combined with sufficiently humidified air can
act almost like a water pump...  I learned the hard way before I taught
myself how to put equipment on masts.  ;)  (Enclosures matter...  choose
the wrong one and it doesn't make much difference what doo-dads you
attach, the "plastic" itself will allow moisture ingress.
> 6.  Right now, I'm leaning toward a large enough PVC pipe, several
> inches long and open at the bottom [except for critter control] for
> cable entrance, condensate drain, and pressure equalization.  I'll
> probably put a light bulb in the case.  There is universal agreement
> that I need common-mode chokes at the ends and maybe along the cable
> runs inside the conduit.  Fortunately, I know K9YC, I'll consult with
> him on those.
Are you putting your cable runs in the ground?  That's a whole different
discussion.  ;)

73,

Clay

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 19:48:07 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:48:07 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: Inrad 250Hz 8-pole filter
Message-ID: <CALHj_b_QDDu9i9rw78JDwSPwOYg5R1QELfMRwQOXgY9bV-iakQ@mail.gmail.com>

If anybody has a spare Inrad 250Hz 8-pole filter for the K3, please email
me directly.

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU

From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jan 21 21:38:58 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:38:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
Message-ID: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>

Hello,
I now have a Genovation CP48USBHID keypad working on my P3/K3 feeding up
to 48 different macros to the K3 at a single button press. 

See:
http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/

for the how to, and a download for the patch to the Genovation to allow
it to plug into the P3 and be recognized.  
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info




From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Thu Jan 21 22:10:14 2016
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 21:10:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <650CCA3A-5353-4AC6-A63E-D0FB5025E015@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <56A12EC2.6050308@foothill.net>
	<650CCA3A-5353-4AC6-A63E-D0FB5025E015@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56A19D96.2060506@wi.rr.com>

One popular brand of panel mount (and other types) liquid tight bushings 
is Heyco:

http://www.heyco.com/ <http://www.heyco.com/>



KF7P Metalwerks sells cable glands that fit coax cables.  See below, 
about 2/3 of the way down the page:


http://www.kf7p.com/KF7P/EntrancePanels.html






On 1/21/2016 2:05 PM, David Anderson wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> Best to avoid connectors mounted -on- the box if possible, as it is another possible point of water entry through screw holes and connector holes.  Mil spec waterproof connectors are expensive.
>
> Of course it goes without saying that connectors for 120 V AC need to be suitable items for outdoor use.
>
> Use suitable panel mounted cable glands and pass the cables through them.
>
> You can then fit connectors on the ends of short cables from the enclosure for disconnecting them when you require, as it is much easier to wrap suitable self amalgamating tape and top covering of PVC tape for UV protection around an inline socket and plug than around a panel mounted socket on the enclosure.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>
>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 19:17, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all the input on my plan to remote my KAT500 to the base of a flag pole.  Plans are taking shape.  I still have a couple of specific questions:
>
>> 3.  How do I get the cables into the weatherproof box?  Should I mount connectors [doesn't seem very good to me ... PL-259 exposed to the weather], or are there weatherproof entrance fittings.  One of the cables will be 120 VAC, probably a heavy extension cord [for 12V supply and the fixture to light the flag at night.
>>
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>
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From mcduffie at ag0n.net  Thu Jan 21 22:16:53 2016
From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:16:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
	<56A0FEEE.4070904@socal.rr.com>
	<CAGC7P25m_zNOb4bddCBWudu13PKxwfwn+rKHn839==TixD43EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op23abdf91n0hv083nam0p8v72mkt3hngd@4ax.com>

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:26:27 -0500, Irwin Darack wrote:

> The fans on mine do come on high and I keep an eye on the temp reading. I
> do need to stop occasionally to allow the amp to cool down. I am not sure
> if there is a way to add an addition external fan to increase the air flow?

I don't have any comparison between mine and others.  However, I can offer a few
points about how mine runs.

I use the amp at pretty much full power for meteor scatter modes (digital) on
six meters daily.  I have found two things.  First, temperature does depend on
the antenna.  Even though the VSWR on the KPA indicates 1.0 for all directions
that I point the antenna, the heat is higher in some directions than others. You
can bet that higher SWR will cause the fan to run more than a perfect match.

Second, if I keep the transmit/receive sequences down to 15 seconds each (JT9g
or h, JTMSK, ISCAT), I rarely hit fan speed 5.  It cycles as high as 4 every
cycle after initial warm up.  These on and off cycles (50% duty cycle) can
continue for from a few minutes to an hour or more for one completed QSO with
only an occasional excursion to fan speed 5.

When I point to the southeast, the fan steps on up to speed 5 almost every other
transmission period.

On some modes that have longer transmit cycles, like FSK 441 with ~45 seconds on
and one minute off, the fan regularly steps up to 6 after the initial few
cycles.  Step 6 always comes into play for me during those longer transmissions
on six meters.

I've found that I can reduce the heat cycle a little (noticeably) by using a
small fan 2-3 feet away on the right side, blowing at the hot spot on the right
rear side of the cover (this is the side panel, not the rear panel).  It doesn't
take much air, but it does reduce the high speed cycles.

All of this is on six meters.  Six meters generates more heat than HF.  I never
come above speed 4 (usually 3 at the most) on ten meters and below.

Just because I like to be conservative and strongly dislike heat in solid state
devices, I typically manually put the fan on speed 4 when I start a digital
exchange and back to NORmal when done.  That alone, keeps it from hitting speed
5 most of the time.

Drive power for all of this is 27 watts from my xcvr (at least that's what it is
set at and is likely slightly less).  Power fades to lower than 450 watts on
some modes when it is hot, but that could be the xcvr.  Most solid state devices
fade power when they get hot.  Some modes run slightly less power, but that's
more a function of the audio frequencies being used for the mode and response of
the radio.

Anyway, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.  :)

Love my KPA!

Gary - AG0N

From mcduffie at ag0n.net  Thu Jan 21 22:30:10 2016
From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:30:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 finals blown
In-Reply-To: <56A11F78.9070006@foothill.net>
References: <CAPpz8Fz8AqhX=BQvqiu_f-MrzJGwDGHuVdVrvfuFd5ziHBKtow@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01d1545a$47a069a0$d6e13ce0$@net>
	<56A0FEEE.4070904@socal.rr.com> <56A11F78.9070006@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <if83ab1qa6gk7ifr8kl9574chc74lnfpso@4ax.com>

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:12:08 -0800, Fred Jensen wrote:

> I know the original KPA500 field testers were encouraged to run the amp 
> at "full bars."

I had also heard that, and it was run on RTTY at up to 700W during a contest.

Gary - AG0N

From widelitz at gte.net  Fri Jan 22 00:10:42 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 21:10:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Fixed/Tracking Toggle Broken
Message-ID: <005501d154d3$3e0da7d0$ba28f770$@gte.net>

I switched my K3 to split to see the VP8STI pile-up. Now I am stuck in
tracking mode. I go into menu/FixTrack and when I click to toggle, nothing
happens, even after exiting split mode. I've turned the K3/P3 off to no
avail.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 00:52:17 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:52:17 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 raspy side tone
In-Reply-To: <56A14F7B.4090106@embarqmail.com>
References: <AC996EBA-530C-4932-86D4-F550083DE142@yahoo.com>
	<56A14F7B.4090106@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <C959AE08-D37A-42FD-B20D-A694EDF2A2FC@gmail.com>

If it's a REALLY old K2 there is a modification that you should perform in the wiring of the control as well as replacing it. It's on the Elecraft website.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 11:36 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jacob,
> 
> If the AF Gain is scratchy when turned, the best cure is to replace it.  Those small pots are sealed, and I doubt that you could get any DeOxit into the body of the control.  Even if you can get some inside the pot, the "cure" will not be long lasting, you will eventually have to replace the pot, so 'bite the bullet' and do it now.
> The carbon (or other material) that forms the resistive layer over which the wiper rides can become pitted and work with extended use - there is no way to fix that other than replacement.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/21/2016 10:53 AM, Jacob Chambers via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hello;
>> I have an older K2 that has developed a raspy, scratchy sounding CW note on receive. All bands affected. The transmit sidetone is clean as a whistle. Headphones or external sparker are the same. Seems like there is some popping and scratching when I bump or play with the AF gain control. Could that be it? And I'm thinking of spraying with DeOxit contact cleaner. Is that OK? Thanks!
> 
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From andrew at ahebden.com  Fri Jan 22 06:08:25 2016
From: andrew at ahebden.com (Andrew Hebden)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:08:25 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on 2 Meters
Message-ID: <004e01d15505$375611c0$a6023540$@ahebden.com>

Hi John,
I use the 2m module in my KX3 and am pleased with the performance. Having
said this I really don't have much to compare it against apart from my
FT897D. What I do find is that the noise floor goes way down I don't have to
listen to a load of white noise when digging out those weak signals.
I use it for our UKAC 2m contest on SSB along with a small (old) Microwave
Modules Linear running 10 watts output and regularly make 300mile+ contacts
when using my 9el yagi at 40feet with shack located about 3feet above sea
level. It is far better at handling strong signals than the FT897D. The sort
of strong signals I get are of sufficient strength to start the KX3 high
signal shutdown process. (I have 3 of the UK's leading contenders within 5
miles across open fields.)
On the whole I am really enjoying using it. Furthest DX so far on 10w is
south of France at about 800miles during a slight opening.
Problems encountered:
- There are a couple of internal "birdies" which are not too bad.
- With the gain well up I do notice the "zipper" noise when tuning the VFO.
There are notes about this on the Elecraft website.

Andrew
G8BYB
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
Seney
Sent: 21 January 2016 11:54
To: Elecraft Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on 2 Meters

I have a KX3 and am curious to hear from users that have the 2 meter module
installed how you find the performance with the various modes. Any good DX
with SSB or CW?

73,

John
www.wd1v.com


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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Fri Jan 22 06:46:01 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 06:46:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <56A21679.9080908@nycap.rr.com>

Sounds like a cottage industry in the making. Sell/deliver the keypad in 
plug and play fashion along with 10 or 12 macros to be used as seeds and 
samples (for modification and copying). Thus allowing easy installation 
and learning how to do the macro stuff on the P3 (keypad already 
programmed with the single alpha/numeric names for the macros to be 
programmed in the P3).

Personally, I would pay for plug & play.

Bill W2BLC K-Line





From turnbull at net1.ie  Fri Jan 22 06:54:00 2016
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:54:00 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <56A21679.9080908@nycap.rr.com>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo> <56A21679.9080908@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DD3637E891A242B286CD1BEB143E4D9C@DOUG1>

Ditto EI2CN, you have my order!!!

             73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: 22 January 2016 11:46
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved

Sounds like a cottage industry in the making. Sell/deliver the keypad in 
plug and play fashion along with 10 or 12 macros to be used as seeds and 
samples (for modification and copying). Thus allowing easy installation 
and learning how to do the macro stuff on the P3 (keypad already 
programmed with the single alpha/numeric names for the macros to be 
programmed in the P3).

Personally, I would pay for plug & play.

Bill W2BLC K-Line




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From jbollit at outlook.com  Fri Jan 22 08:47:29 2016
From: jbollit at outlook.com (Jim Bolit)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:47:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
In-Reply-To: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net>
References: <56A15F31.8000001@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <BY2PR10MB0598552CB6D6BE28BE25E66DA6C40@BY2PR10MB0598.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Any need to optically isolate control lines et. Al., with simple
opto-couplers (6 pin DIP's)?

Jim
W6AIM



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Jensen
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 2:44 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500

Again, thanks to all.  To summarize for all who took the time to offer
information and suggestions:

1.  From an Elecraft engineer [who I happen to know quite well]:  The AUX
cable is probably not a good choice to extend.  In addition to voltage and
RFI issues, there are timing constraints on those circuits. 
  I can do what I need with RS-232.

2.  I should be able to make RS-232 work.  I personally know that many
so-called RS-232 drivers use +/-5 V rather than +/-12 V.  This is a problem
I can solve.

3.  Universal agreement on no connectors outside.  Almost universal
agreement on "no connectors penetrating the housing."  Almost universal
agreement on cable entrance glands of one type or another.

4.  Condensate drain(s) are a must.  There is universal agreement that water
(and apparently other things) runs downhill. :-)  I learned that changes in
inside vs outside pressure over the day will also initiate condensation [did
not understand how that works].

5.  Insectus Multileggus tend to be somewhat limited in our area due to hard
winter freezes and reduced summer precipitation, but I will need to keep
them out.  We have small bunnies [not jack rabbits] that abound [and chew]
around here, it appears that our backyard is immune right now but I will
protect the cable drip loops anyway.  I will personally congratulate any
gopher or mole that can dig through our caliche.

6.  Right now, I'm leaning toward a large enough PVC pipe, several inches
long and open at the bottom [except for critter control] for cable entrance,
condensate drain, and pressure equalization.  I'll probably put a light bulb
in the case.  There is universal agreement that I need common-mode chokes at
the ends and maybe along the cable runs inside the conduit.  Fortunately, I
know K9YC, I'll consult with him on those.

Thanks to all for all the information, advice, ideas, and guidance. 
I'll post occasionally as this plan progresses.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org
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From k9jri at mac.com  Fri Jan 22 08:59:53 2016
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 08:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] DLY button question after beta 2.44 firmware installation
Message-ID: <2DB57422-F5CE-4B9C-B380-D23798890C6E@mac.com>

After installing the latest KX3 beta firmware (2.44)  I was running through all of the option buttons to see if they still functioned correctly.  When I got to the DLY button my VOX Delay was still correctly set at 0.40 but was proceeded by the word ?STOP?.  By this I mean that the DLY display read ?STOP0.40?.

Has this always been true?  What do the characters ?STOP? mean?  I found no reference in the manual and it has been months since I last changed this DLY value.

73 - Mike - K9JRI





From k9jri at mac.com  Fri Jan 22 09:13:38 2016
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 09:13:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] DLY button question after beta 2.44 firmware
 installation
In-Reply-To: <2DB57422-F5CE-4B9C-B380-D23798890C6E@mac.com>
References: <2DB57422-F5CE-4B9C-B380-D23798890C6E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FEC0AFBA-07B9-4ED0-9AF6-21EE9BD96898@mac.com>

I also checked the DLY display on CW and it reads ?ERR0.10? now too.

Michael Blake
k9jri at mac.com



> On Jan 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Michael Blake <k9jri at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> After installing the latest KX3 beta firmware (2.44)  I was running through all of the option buttons to see if they still functioned correctly.  When I got to the DLY button my VOX Delay was still correctly set at 0.40 but was proceeded by the word ?STOP?.  By this I mean that the DLY display read ?STOP0.40?.
> 
> Has this always been true?  What do the characters ?STOP? mean?  I found no reference in the manual and it has been months since I last changed this DLY value.
> 
> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Fri Jan 22 09:44:42 2016
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:44:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <016501d15486$d2768ab0$7763a010$@com>
References: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1373644700.6981205.1453405960381.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<016501d15486$d2768ab0$7763a010$@com>
Message-ID: <56A2405A.9080401@david-woolley.me.uk>

The +/- 3 volts levels are requirements on the driver, not the receiver. 
  In practice, receivers have quite a small hysteresis, and the 
threshold points are set to meet the requirements of a type 1 interface 
as defined in section 7 of ITU-T V.28.  Whilst the specified purpose of 
this is that a powered down or open circuit condition should result in 
defined states for, particularly control signals (off), in practice it 
means that real world receivers will also handle high speed signals 
which are strictly positive.

Consequently levels of +5 and 0 volts will, in most normal cases, work, 
although they are out of specification.

ITU-T V.28 is generally aligned with the electrical characteristics of 
EIA232, but has the advantage that the document is available for free 
download.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123

On 21/01/16 20:03, Cliff Frescura wrote:
> RS-232 use +3 to +15VDC and -3 to -15VDC for signaling levels, thus -5 and +5 will work too, but *not* 0VDC and +5VDC
>



From fcady at montana.edu  Fri Jan 22 09:51:54 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:51:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <CY1PR0201MB0809E3B8805E917AA7DA11E2AFC40@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

GREAT job Dave.  I'll bet this will work with the KX3/PX3 too.  I'd like to refer to it in the next editions of the K3S and KX3 books if that's OK with you.
73,
Fred KE7X


________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:38 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved

Hello,
I now have a Genovation CP48USBHID keypad working on my P3/K3 feeding up
to 48 different macros to the K3 at a single button press.

See:
http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/

for the how to, and a download for the patch to the Genovation to allow
it to plug into the P3 and be recognized.
--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info



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From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Jan 22 09:54:52 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 06:54:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <56A21679.9080908@nycap.rr.com>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo> <56A21679.9080908@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1453474492.8265.15.camel@nostromo>

Hi,

It's not that difficult, most of the work is just programming the P3
macros into the P3 as Elecraft instructs you to do.  Which was harder to
do than prepping the Genovation, as I used an external keyboard on the
P3.  

Once the Keypad is updated, I just enter the triggers one time, hit the
download button on the keypad software, and I am done forever
programming the keypad.  

The keypad triggers the P3 to fire its macros, so you just program the
triggers in once, and on the P3 make sure they match.  If you want to
change macros, just change the P3 keeping the same trigger.  The
triggers are arbitrarily selected.  I used 1-z, 1-0, and F1-F12, one for
each key.  Then I just program the P3 to fire a macro on the appropriate
trigger.

The trick is in getting the triggers to match, and that is taken care of
by the chart you can download.

The write up makes it look a lot worse than it is because of the detail
level.  The entire process took about 3 minutes to prep the Genovation,
and the rest of the time was spent making macros on the P3.  

Once the Genovation is programmed I never program it again...  All it
does is trigger macros from the P3.

I must say, that after using the external keypad for a few hours on a
pileup it is nice...  I almost never touch the K3 anymore.  

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 06:46 -0500, Bill wrote:
> Sounds like a cottage industry in the making. Sell/deliver the keypad in 
> plug and play fashion along with 10 or 12 macros to be used as seeds and 
> samples (for modification and copying). Thus allowing easy installation 
> and learning how to do the macro stuff on the P3 (keypad already 
> programmed with the single alpha/numeric names for the macros to be 
> programmed in the P3).
> 
> Personally, I would pay for plug & play.
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
> 
> 
> 
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From thelastdb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 09:54:38 2016
From: thelastdb at gmail.com (Myron Schaffer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:54:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Feature Request
Message-ID: <56a242bb.e669b60a.4d924.ffffc243@mx.google.com>

I know this may be a nit but it would be neat if the VFO B knob would increment without rounding off the frequency. For instance, I participate in the foxhunts and find the fox. Then I use the DW SUB function and dial in the fox with the VFO A knob. If I use the VFO B knob it rounds off the decimal place and overshoots the target freq. If it were set to just increment of 1.0 I would land exactly where I want but it rounds off the freq and throws me out into left field.

Thanks.
Myron WV?H
Printed on Recycled Data


From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Jan 22 10:17:18 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:17:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR0201MB0809E3B8805E917AA7DA11E2AFC40@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
	<CY1PR0201MB0809E3B8805E917AA7DA11E2AFC40@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1453475838.8265.23.camel@nostromo>

Hi Fred,

I have no reason to believe it won't work with the KX3, or K3S either, I
just don't have one of the new K3S rigs, so I can't test it...  Hence
why I only talk about the K3.  

Now if Elecraft would just give me a K3S, I'd be happy to test it...  :)

Please do feel free to include the links to the setup.  Here is the a
direct link, which should never change.  

http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/

I will be updating it often with new macros.  I already have most filled
up...  

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 14:51 +0000, Cady, Fred wrote:
> GREAT job Dave.  I'll bet this will work with the KX3/PX3 too.  I'd like to refer to it in the next editions of the K3S and KX3 books if that's OK with you.
> 73,
> Fred KE7X
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:38 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
> 
> Hello,
> I now have a Genovation CP48USBHID keypad working on my P3/K3 feeding up
> to 48 different macros to the K3 at a single button press.
> 
> See:
> http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/
> 
> for the how to, and a download for the patch to the Genovation to allow
> it to plug into the P3 and be recognized.
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> 
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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 10:31:36 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:31:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <1453475838.8265.23.camel@nostromo>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
	<CY1PR0201MB0809E3B8805E917AA7DA11E2AFC40@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<1453475838.8265.23.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b8athOhqRpLcxrL-5FnU-Td03F7LG=Ev88mawteRis6fA@mail.gmail.com>

This is fantastic Dave and a groundbreaking development in rig
interfacing.  Have you, or do you intend to, physically label the keys?

I NEED one of these.

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 10:17 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Hi Fred,
>
> I have no reason to believe it won't work with the KX3, or K3S either, I
> just don't have one of the new K3S rigs, so I can't test it...  Hence
> why I only talk about the K3.
>
> Now if Elecraft would just give me a K3S, I'd be happy to test it...  :)
>
> Please do feel free to include the links to the setup.  Here is the a
> direct link, which should never change.
>
> http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/
>
> I will be updating it often with new macros.  I already have most filled
> up...
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
>
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 14:51 +0000, Cady, Fred wrote:
> > GREAT job Dave.  I'll bet this will work with the KX3/PX3 too.  I'd like
> to refer to it in the next editions of the K3S and KX3 books if that's OK
> with you.
> > 73,
> > Fred KE7X
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David
> Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:38 PM
> > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
> >
> > Hello,
> > I now have a Genovation CP48USBHID keypad working on my P3/K3 feeding up
> > to 48 different macros to the K3 at a single button press.
> >
> > See:
> > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/
> >
> > for the how to, and a download for the patch to the Genovation to allow
> > it to plug into the P3 and be recognized.
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
> > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > www.nk7z.net
> >
> > For MixW support see;
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > For Dopplergram information see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > For MM-SSTV see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >
> >
> >
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From ab7r at cablespeed.com  Fri Jan 22 10:34:58 2016
From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (ab7r at cablespeed.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:34:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <CALHj_b8athOhqRpLcxrL-5FnU-Td03F7LG=Ev88mawteRis6fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
	<CY1PR0201MB0809E3B8805E917AA7DA11E2AFC40@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<1453475838.8265.23.camel@nostromo>
	<CALHj_b8athOhqRpLcxrL-5FnU-Td03F7LG=Ev88mawteRis6fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2095274940.49982904.1453476898454.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>

Hi Barry.  I had one of these...worked great.  If I recall it comes with a pre printed key labels and also a set of blanks.  I think you can order a set of blanks as well.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Barry N1EU <n1eu.barry at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:31:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved

This is fantastic Dave and a groundbreaking development in rig
interfacing.  Have you, or do you intend to, physically label the keys?

I NEED one of these.

Thanks & 73,
Barry N1EU

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 10:17 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Hi Fred,
>
> I have no reason to believe it won't work with the KX3, or K3S either, I
> just don't have one of the new K3S rigs, so I can't test it...  Hence
> why I only talk about the K3.
>
> Now if Elecraft would just give me a K3S, I'd be happy to test it...  :)
>
> Please do feel free to include the links to the setup.  Here is the a
> direct link, which should never change.
>
> http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/
>
> I will be updating it often with new macros.  I already have most filled
> up...
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
>
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 14:51 +0000, Cady, Fred wrote:
> > GREAT job Dave.  I'll bet this will work with the KX3/PX3 too.  I'd like
> to refer to it in the next editions of the K3S and KX3 books if that's OK
> with you.
> > 73,
> > Fred KE7X
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David
> Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:38 PM
> > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
> >
> > Hello,
> > I now have a Genovation CP48USBHID keypad working on my P3/K3 feeding up
> > to 48 different macros to the K3 at a single button press.
> >
> > See:
> > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/
> >
> > for the how to, and a download for the patch to the Genovation to allow
> > it to plug into the P3 and be recognized.
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
> > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > www.nk7z.net
> >
> > For MixW support see;
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > For Dopplergram information see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > For MM-SSTV see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >
> >
> >
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From k7voradio at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 10:47:43 2016
From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:47:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
Message-ID: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>

Given the recent article in QST explaining CESSB I looked for some detail
about the compression algorithm of the K3 but found nothing explaining how
it works.It is the most effective processing I have ever used and appears
to double the transmit power. So perhaps it is a version of CESSB or
efficient enough to be left alone as is. Perhaps I missed some discussion
on this.Is there a published explanation of the compression algorithm? (not
in Fred's book, I looked and checked with him)
Bob
K7VO

From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Jan 22 10:47:47 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:47:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <CALHj_b8athOhqRpLcxrL-5FnU-Td03F7LG=Ev88mawteRis6fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo>
	<CY1PR0201MB0809E3B8805E917AA7DA11E2AFC40@CY1PR0201MB0809.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<1453475838.8265.23.camel@nostromo>
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Message-ID: <1453477667.8265.32.camel@nostromo>

The spreadsheet that comes with the Genovation keypad has keys on it
with the same aspect ratio as the physical keys.  This is so one can add
labels.  I added color, and labels, then printed and cut the paper to
fit under the keycaps.  The keypad comes with a keycap remover, so this
has been a godsend in labeling.  


-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 10:31 -0500, Barry N1EU wrote:
> This is fantastic Dave and a groundbreaking development in rig
> interfacing.  Have you, or do you intend to, physically label the keys?
> 
> I NEED one of these.
> 
> Thanks & 73,
> Barry N1EU
> 
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 10:17 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > I have no reason to believe it won't work with the KX3, or K3S either, I
> > just don't have one of the new K3S rigs, so I can't test it...  Hence
> > why I only talk about the K3.
> >
> > Now if Elecraft would just give me a K3S, I'd be happy to test it...  :)
> >
> > Please do feel free to include the links to the setup.  Here is the a
> > direct link, which should never change.
> >
> > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/
> >
> > I will be updating it often with new macros.  I already have most filled
> > up...
> >
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
> > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > www.nk7z.net
> >
> > For MixW support see;
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > For Dopplergram information see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > For MM-SSTV see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 14:51 +0000, Cady, Fred wrote:
> > > GREAT job Dave.  I'll bet this will work with the KX3/PX3 too.  I'd like
> > to refer to it in the next editions of the K3S and KX3 books if that's OK
> > with you.
> > > 73,
> > > Fred KE7X
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David
> > Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:38 PM
> > > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > > Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > I now have a Genovation CP48USBHID keypad working on my P3/K3 feeding up
> > > to 48 different macros to the K3 at a single button press.
> > >
> > > See:
> > > http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/
> > >
> > > for the how to, and a download for the patch to the Genovation to allow
> > > it to plug into the P3 and be recognized.
> > > --
> > > Thanks and 73's,
> > > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > > www.nk7z.net
> > >
> > > For MixW support see;
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > > For Dopplergram information see:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > > For MM-SSTV see:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 10:59:40 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:59:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Suggestion - P3 option to function as bigger K3
	display
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-WsdJ2g9QUDfGYVvWTAPEehRLb-hCYkhR+C2a=WXhxjg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if this has ever been suggested or discussed before.

Many of us have long loved the K3 but bemoaned its diminuitive display real
estate.  If this isn't true of you, please read no further.

Why not add an option to the P3 so that the user can use a section of the
P3 screen to display many useful K3 settings that are normally hidden from
view and would otherwise require at least one or two button presses to view
individually?

Here's a partial list of settings I'd dearly love to see displayed:

Subrx ANT

Subrx PRE

MIC

COMP

PWR

DELAY

MON

PITCH

BW

LO

HI

TX ESSB ON/OFF and BW

RX/TX EQ levels shown with better graphics



Perhaps flexibility could be provided for users to select their own group
of settings to be displayed, how much P3 screen real estate to devote (in
the case of SVGA users, perhaps they optionally devote the entire P3
screen).  Also, users could toggle it on/off and return back to classic P3
display as desired.


I was thinking that something like this plus NK7Z's Genovation macro
generator would turn the K3/K3S/P3 into my dream machine  ;-)


Thoughts?


73, Barry N1EU

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Fri Jan 22 11:03:48 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 08:03:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 raspy side tone
In-Reply-To: <C959AE08-D37A-42FD-B20D-A694EDF2A2FC@gmail.com>
References: <AC996EBA-530C-4932-86D4-F550083DE142@yahoo.com>
	<56A14F7B.4090106@embarqmail.com>
	<C959AE08-D37A-42FD-B20D-A694EDF2A2FC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A252E4.7010305@socal.rr.com>

I'll second that. I have K2 #380 and changing the 
AF pot wiring a couple of years ago cured all of 
that AF gain scratchiness.

Phil W7OX

On 1/21/16 9:52 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> If it's a REALLY old K2 there is a modification that you should perform in the wiring of the control as well as replacing it. It's on the Elecraft website.
>
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>
>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 11:36 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jacob,
>>
>> If the AF Gain is scratchy when turned, the best cure is to replace it.  Those small pots are sealed, and I doubt that you could get any DeOxit into the body of the control.  Even if you can get some inside the pot, the "cure" will not be long lasting, you will eventually have to replace the pot, so 'bite the bullet' and do it now.
>> The carbon (or other material) that forms the resistive layer over which the wiper rides can become pitted and work with extended use - there is no way to fix that other than replacement.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 1/21/2016 10:53 AM, Jacob Chambers via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Hello;
>>> I have an older K2 that has developed a raspy, scratchy sounding CW note on receive. All bands affected. The transmit sidetone is clean as a whistle. Headphones or external sparker are the same. Seems like there is some popping and scratching when I bump or play with the AF gain control. Could that be it? And I'm thinking of spraying with DeOxit contact cleaner. Is that OK? Thanks!


From cf at cfcorp.com  Fri Jan 22 11:12:50 2016
From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 08:12:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422
In-Reply-To: <56A2405A.9080401@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <56A1271D.6060900@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<1373644700.6981205.1453405960381.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<016501d15486$d2768ab0$7763a010$@com>
	<56A2405A.9080401@david-woolley.me.uk>
Message-ID: <009c01d1552f$bdd5bbe0$398133a0$@com>

"Consequently levels of +5 and 0 volts will, in most normal cases, work,
although they are out of specification"

Yes, they work by accident.  Until they don't.

73,

Cliff K3LL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David
Woolley
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:45 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long RS232 Runs - RS422

The +/- 3 volts levels are requirements on the driver, not the receiver. 
  In practice, receivers have quite a small hysteresis, and the threshold
points are set to meet the requirements of a type 1 interface as defined in
section 7 of ITU-T V.28.  Whilst the specified purpose of this is that a
powered down or open circuit condition should result in defined states for,
particularly control signals (off), in practice it means that real world
receivers will also handle high speed signals which are strictly positive.

Consequently levels of +5 and 0 volts will, in most normal cases, work,
although they are out of specification.

ITU-T V.28 is generally aligned with the electrical characteristics of
EIA232, but has the advantage that the document is available for free
download.

--
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123

On 21/01/16 20:03, Cliff Frescura wrote:
> RS-232 use +3 to +15VDC and -3 to -15VDC for signaling levels, thus -5 
> and +5 will work too, but *not* 0VDC and +5VDC
>


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From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 22 11:14:19 2016
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:14:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15575.1453472043.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.15575.1453472043.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <56A2555B.1050704@googlemail.com>


On 22/01/16 14:14, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> There are a number of compact devices available that do that and more. I use
>> >the miniature "Watt's Up" watt meter/power analyzer which displays battery
>> >voltage, current, mAh, watts and Wh.
> Yes and no. All versions of this product I've seen read current in the
> NEGATIVE lead. That's fine of the unit is in series with the battery,
> but it will yield VERY WRONG data if inserted in series with equipment
> in a station.
>
> At the Visalia DX Convention last spring, I found the*Hamsource EZ Meter II*, which reads current in the POSITIVE lead, and yields good data for
> individual equipment items in a station.
>
> It does NOT read Ah.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

Thanks for that info Jim.  I'll see if they are available this side of 
the puddle, and what other versions there may be.

73.

Dave G0WBX.


From ve3rrd at sympatico.ca  Fri Jan 22 11:42:45 2016
From: ve3rrd at sympatico.ca (Al Duncan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter
In-Reply-To: <56A148B1.7020003@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAGxZ45o6H8A0i6FZkKtoh5vTusFgFkaM=1hCfoZ6ema85CU8SA@mail.gmail.com><9CD6221FCBEB44BC8F210058D8E97E63@delle520>
	<56A148B1.7020003@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <57029B9C97F243ABA7B97CEB7B8ED01F@delle520>

Our club group recently bought a number of inexpensive volt/amp digital
meters on eBay to use in an APP distribution box project and we found the
same problem - the current is sensed in the negative/ground lead. So any
other ground connections from the rig end up in parallel with it.
I have batteries in my KX3 but always use a gel cell for power when portable
camping etc.; I also use a buck/boost regulator that supplies a constant
14VDC to the KX3 from the battery, since both ground and hot leads from the
battery are isolated from ground, the Watt's Up works well. Sometimes I add
three 10W solar panels and a charge controller to help keep the battery
topped up.
The Barrie WAX Group website is at:
 http://barrie-wax-group.dyndns.org/ 
73, AL - VE3RRD

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:08 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request: mAh counter

On Thu,1/21/2016 5:58 AM, Al Duncan wrote:
> There are a number of compact devices available that do that and more. I
use
> the miniature "Watt's Up" watt meter/power analyzer which displays battery
> voltage, current, mAh, watts and Wh.

Yes and no. All versions of this product I've seen read current in the 
NEGATIVE lead. That's fine of the unit is in series with the battery, 
but it will yield VERY WRONG data if inserted in series with equipment 
in a station.

At the Visalia DX Convention last spring, I found the Hamsource EZ Meter 
II, which reads current in the POSITIVE lead, and yields good data for 
individual equipment items in a station.

It does NOT read Ah.

73, Jim K9YC



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 22 11:46:20 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A25CDC.9070608@blomand.net>

I have studied and measured both the Compression algorithm and, as a 
separate project, the ALC operation using my K3S.  It is clear the ALC 
system is very different as implemented in the K3S from other radios in 
as much as there is some gain ranging which occurs below the 5th bar of 
ALC indication.  After and above the 5th bar the system goes into a gain 
reduction scheme, somewhat typical of other ALC systems.  One key to ALC 
systems which make them very different is the attack time the release 
time and the compression/limiting ratio, meaning input signal change vs. 
output signal change.  All in all, the K3S system is very clever and 
much like audio processing as used in commercial broadcast 
applications.  Perhaps this accounts for the excellent results.

This is clear for those that work digital modes and are instructed to 
adjust the input level to the point the 5th bar is flickering when using 
the K3S.  Clearly, until one understands this, most revert to 
instructions found with digital programs, digital interfaces and other 
radios which clearly say "adjust to the point below ALC action".  In the 
case of the K3s, there is really no ALC action below the 5th bar.  In 
fact the value as show on the ALC scale below the 5th bar is more of a 
VU type indication with some degree of level expansion.

As to CESSB, the articles in QEX and QST February are very interesting 
and enlightening.   It is interesting note that the CESSB methodology 
increases the average power by a factor of some 2.5.  Of course the 
major advantage is not only increased average power output but greatly 
reduced distortion as a result of the method employed.

It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out in regard to 
implementation in future radio designs.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/22/2016 9:47 AM, Robert Sands wrote:
> Given the recent article in QST explaining CESSB I looked for some detail
> about the compression algorithm of the K3 but found nothing explaining how
> it works.It is the most effective processing I have ever used and appears
> to double the transmit power. So perhaps it is a version of CESSB or
> efficient enough to be left alone as is. Perhaps I missed some discussion
> on this.Is there a published explanation of the compression algorithm? (not
> in Fred's book, I looked and checked with him)
> Bob
> K7VO
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 22 12:24:58 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:24:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <56a242bb.e669b60a.4d924.ffffc243@mx.google.com>
References: <56a242bb.e669b60a.4d924.ffffc243@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <56A265EA.2060008@embarqmail.com>

Myron,

It will already do that.  You apparently have the VFO OFS menu parameter 
set to OFS - change it to OFF and you will have your wish.
Note that if you have VFO OFS parameter to OFS, the step size will vary 
by the value set in VFO CRS.  The size setting is per mode.
See those menu items in the manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2016 9:54 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote:
> I know this may be a nit but it would be neat if the VFO B knob would increment without rounding off the frequency. For instance, I participate in the foxhunts and find the fox. Then I use the DW SUB function and dial in the fox with the VFO A knob. If I use the VFO B knob it rounds off the decimal place and overshoots the target freq. If it were set to just increment of 1.0 I would land exactly where I want but it rounds off the freq and throws me out into left field.
>
> Thanks.
> Myron WV?H
> Printed on Recycled Data
>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 12:27:14 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:27:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc18RwjyJF8s5oG=e5Kd6x1MGPXKr2deRxwN5PBrcFzyuw@mail.gmail.com>

The method is proprietary.

I'm quite assured Wayne is reading up on CESSB. But I could hardly blame
him for not wanting to engage in an open discussion on a proprietary
process that is embedded in a proprietary SDR radio operating system. It's
called protecting one's commercial advantage.

There are very high tech and inventive reasons why Elecraft is so far ahead
at its relative low cost, contrary opines from boo birds and pathological
Elecraft detractors notwithstanding. And we think Wayne is obliged to
discuss these things in public because ???

I'm just as curious as the next guy. He might talk about it here but he
certainly is not obligated.

73, Guy K2AV

On Friday, January 22, 2016, Robert Sands <k7voradio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Given the recent article in QST explaining CESSB I looked for some detail
> about the compression algorithm of the K3 but found nothing explaining how
> it works.It is the most effective processing I have ever used and appears
> to double the transmit power. So perhaps it is a version of CESSB or
> efficient enough to be left alone as is. Perhaps I missed some discussion
> on this.Is there a published explanation of the compression algorithm? (not
> in Fred's book, I looked and checked with him)
> Bob
> K7VO
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Fri Jan 22 13:24:55 2016
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:24:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Ham TV Operators Go High Definition
Message-ID: <7BB3522C-1D77-4ECD-90FC-1D5BECE98992@me.com>

Interesting summary of amateur TV experiments in HD and even the proposed ATSC 3.0 commercial broadcast standard:
http://www.tvtechnology.com/broadcast-engineering/0029/ham-tv-operators-go-high-definition/277772 <http://www.tvtechnology.com/broadcast-engineering/0029/ham-tv-operators-go-high-definition/277772>

David A., KK6DA (formerly KC0XT), LA



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From rthorne at rthorne.net  Fri Jan 22 14:15:14 2016
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:15:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
Message-ID: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>

I've been in my shop for 4 years now and I finally have a plan on how I 
want to finish it out.

One of the features will be a place to build kit's or work on my K3's 
which requires an antistatic mat.

I saw one of these in a catalog that came across my desk at work. 
http://www.uline.com/BL_3853/Industrial-Packing-Tables?keywords=table 
One of the table top options is made out of ESD material and has a 
ground strap.  I would just by the table top, not the bench and 
incorporate it into my remodel.

Has anyone ever used one of these.  Pro's, Con's?

Thanks

Rich - N5ZC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan 22 14:47:25 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:47:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc18RwjyJF8s5oG=e5Kd6x1MGPXKr2deRxwN5PBrcFzyuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANckpc18RwjyJF8s5oG=e5Kd6x1MGPXKr2deRxwN5PBrcFzyuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A2874D.6020603@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,1/22/2016 9:27 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> The method is proprietary.
>
> I'm quite assured Wayne is reading up on CESSB. But I could hardly blame
> him for not wanting to engage in an open discussion on a proprietary
> process that is embedded in a proprietary SDR radio operating system. It's
> called protecting one's commercial advantage.

Yep. And I found Bob McGraw's analysis quite perceptive. Having retired 
from a career in broadcasting, he "gets" audio processing.

73, Jim K9YC

From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 22 14:47:27 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:47:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <56A25CDC.9070608@blomand.net>
References: <56A25CDC.9070608@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <169677794.7552945.1453492047363.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Slight correction: not a factor of 2.5, but 2.5 dB, which is a factor of about 1.8.


Al  W6LX



>>>   It is interesting note that the CESSB methodology 
>>>increases the average power by a factor of some 2.5.  

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 22 14:57:04 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:57:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <169677794.7552945.1453492047363.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <56A25CDC.9070608@blomand.net>
	<169677794.7552945.1453492047363.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>

Re: QST February 2015, page 30, Figure 1 "Conventional SSB (blue) 
compared to CESSB (red) have the same PEP, but the average power of 
CESSB is 2.28 times greater."

I amend my statement from 2.5 to 2.28.

73
Bob, K4TAX





On 1/22/2016 1:47 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> Slight correction: not a factor of 2.5, but 2.5 dB, which is a factor of about 1.8.
>
>
> Al  W6LX
>
>
>
>>>>    It is interesting note that the CESSB methodology
>>>> increases the average power by a factor of some 2.5.



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 22 15:04:41 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:04:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>
References: <56A25CDC.9070608@blomand.net>
	<169677794.7552945.1453492047363.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <56A28B59.3050108@blomand.net>

OOPs that should be 2016 on the QST date.  Sorry.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/22/2016 1:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Re: QST February 2015, page 30, Figure 1 "Conventional SSB (blue) 
> compared to CESSB (red) have the same PEP, but the average power of 
> CESSB is 2.28 times greater."
>
> I amend my statement from 2.5 to 2.28.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/22/2016 1:47 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>> Slight correction: not a factor of 2.5, but 2.5 dB, which is a factor 
>> of about 1.8.
>>
>>
>> Al  W6LX
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>    It is interesting note that the CESSB methodology
>>>>> increases the average power by a factor of some 2.5.
>
>
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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 22 15:13:13 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>
References: <56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1028235314.7512290.1453493593330.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Okay, I see what you're looking at... I believe that's a plot of the output of a simulation, whereas in practice he's seeing about 2.5 dB [re: the original technical article in QEX Nov/Dec 2014].
Al W6LX

 


   

From nf4l at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 15:20:55 2016
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] & fldigi
Message-ID: <9435FCF7-A62A-4176-906F-368EC58B08FB@comcast.net>

I'm using a Mac, iMic and fldigi V3.23.00. It appears everything is set correctly, but I'm not making RF.

I can't set the ALC to 4 solid with the 5th bar flickering. The minimum number of bars is a solid 5, the line in at that point is 4. It makes no difference if the iMic is set to Line or Mic. The audio cables are stereo.

Data sub-mode is AFSK A.

73, Mike NF4L



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 22 15:22:38 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:22:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <1028235314.7512290.1453493593330.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>
	<1028235314.7512290.1453493593330.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A28F8E.1010704@blomand.net>

Agreed.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/22/2016 2:13 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> Okay, I see what you're looking at... I believe that's a plot of the 
> output of a simulation, whereas in practice he's seeing about 2.5 dB 
> [re: the original technical article in QEX Nov/Dec 2014].
>
> Al W6LX
>
>
>
>


From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Fri Jan 22 15:27:26 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:27:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
Message-ID: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com>

I have been a user of HRD for years, however, am now seriously 
considering a change to Linux Mint.

Is there a good rig control or memory manager for the K3 written for 
Linux users. I do no DX or contesting and I do not use any of the new 
digital stuff - so I don't need all that extra weight, unless it is 
easily ignored or removed.

For the interim, I am using the very capable Pigknob and may just opt 
for David Cole's new cottage industry keypad supreme.

Suggestions would be appreciated. Please note that I am going Linux - 
not dual boot or VM.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line



From W1ie at jetbroadband.com  Fri Jan 22 15:38:00 2016
From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 20M Frequency kinda of messed up
In-Reply-To: <1028235314.7512290.1453493593330.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>
	<1028235314.7512290.1453493593330.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <027f01d15554$c8cb5e40$5a621ac0$@com>

Afternoon all,

Today, a new mystery has come into the shack of W1IE. Whenever I click on a
frequency displayed in a cluster like VE7CC for 20 meters, the K3 display
shows the frequency plus 100hz high ie. I select 14020. Get on the display
14020.1.

It does not do it on the other bands. Any thoughts anybody?

\Best regards,

Jerry, W1IE


From pincon at erols.com  Fri Jan 22 15:41:02 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:41:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <56a242bb.e669b60a.4d924.ffffc243@mx.google.com>
References: <56a242bb.e669b60a.4d924.ffffc243@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01d15555$391629f0$ab427dd0$@erols.com>

I have a brand new, never installed, WindCamp brand heat sink for the KX3.  All the mounting holes are drilled & countersunk for a neat & easy installation.
It is red anodized after milling and has a bare spot on the inside for more efficient heat transfer from the two RF output devices.
This is a well-made and very professional looking heat sink which should help significantly in keeping the temperature down when running the KX3 in the continuous modes.
The only reason I'm selling it is because it is an extra that I do not currently need.

I can send some pics if you'd like to see it first.

I will ship it in the US for $38.

73, Charlie k3ICH




From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 15:41:30 2016
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:41:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 20M Frequency kinda of messed up
In-Reply-To: <027f01d15554$c8cb5e40$5a621ac0$@com>
References: <56A28990.3080700@blomand.net>
	<1028235314.7512290.1453493593330.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<027f01d15554$c8cb5e40$5a621ac0$@com>
Message-ID: <56A293FA.7000007@gmail.com>

Check your XIT button.

Rick nhc

On 1/22/2016 12:38 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Afternoon all,
>
> Today, a new mystery has come into the shack of W1IE. Whenever I click on a
> frequency displayed in a cluster like VE7CC for 20 meters, the K3 display
> shows the frequency plus 100hz high ie. I select 14020. Get on the display
> 14020.1.
>
> It does not do it on the other bands. Any thoughts anybody?
>
> \Best regards,
>
> Jerry, W1IE
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jan 22 16:06:58 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:06:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DLY button question after beta 2.44 firmware
	installation
In-Reply-To: <2DB57422-F5CE-4B9C-B380-D23798890C6E@mac.com>
References: <2DB57422-F5CE-4B9C-B380-D23798890C6E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AB72B77B-C2AA-4E36-A01C-1E82C54345A2@elecraft.com>

This is a field-test firmware release, not beta (fortunately!). I'll investigate.

Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 22, 2016, at 5:59 AM, Michael Blake <k9jri at mac.com> wrote:

> After installing the latest KX3 beta firmware (2.44)  I was running through all of the option buttons to see if they still functioned correctly.  When I got to the DLY button my VOX Delay was still correctly set at 0.40 but was proceeded by the word ?STOP?.  By this I mean that the DLY display read ?STOP0.40?.
> 
> Has this always been true?  What do the characters ?STOP? mean?  I found no reference in the manual and it has been months since I last changed this DLY value.
> 
> 73 - Mike - K9JRI




From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 16:34:55 2016
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:34:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>

Bill,

Popular packages to consider:

1. Rig control: hamlib at http://sourceforge.net/p/hamlib/wiki/Hamlib/
2. Light weight logger: xlog at http://www.nongnu.org/xlog/
3. dxcluster: xdx at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xdxclusterclient/

4. Heavy weight logger: cqrlog at https://www.cqrlog.com/

Cqrlog is worth considering because it handles up/downloading to many 
qsl sites like Log of the Word, Clublog, etc.  But it uses MySql and 
sounds like it isn't the more minimal set up you're looking for.

I don't know of any linux K3 memory editors.

Good luck and you'll enjoy the change!  73,
Mike ab3ap

On 01/22/2016 03:27 PM, Bill wrote:
> [...]
> Is there a good rig control or memory manager for the K3 written for
> Linux users. I do no DX or contesting and I do not use any of the new
> digital stuff - so I don't need all that extra weight, unless it is
> easily ignored or removed.[...]

From hickspj467 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 16:41:40 2016
From: hickspj467 at comcast.net (P.J.Hicks)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:41:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on the K3/P3, solved
Message-ID: <1062296186.8544190.1453498900252.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>


I've been using a 24 key Genovations keypad on my KX3 for almost 2 years now. Love it. One button press to change all manner of things without having to remember all the steps and commands. 24 keys with the shift/toggle feature gives me 46 macros. 
? 
I used msWORD and a template by VR2SS, IIRC, to add colors and text to the labels, then, as mentioned, cut them out and put them under the key caps. Very professional looking. It took a couple days to get done but I had no experience with KX3 macros nor the program so had the learning curve to deal with. 
? 
PJH, N7PXY 

From dl1sdz at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 16:43:53 2016
From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:43:53 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CACM_ObKXfB2ba-bBNTbe1XNpTFvVQjx2GUUwo1F1tv+477w4+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Cqrlog for logging. I used it as my main logging program.
Hamlib is ok, but you need an interface. Cqrlog does it, but I would
recommend Fldigi. There is even a logging program integrated.

One thing I would consider: Although Mint is ok and the group is active,
but it is always some months behind of the development. So you will not
always get the newest versions of the software. This would be not a big
problem, but the important fixes are also not delivered in a timely
fashion. So I switched to Debian. There you could also choose interfaces
like Cinnamon.

73 de Hajo

Gruss
Hajo

---
Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> I have been a user of HRD for years, however, am now seriously considering
> a change to Linux Mint.
>
> Is there a good rig control or memory manager for the K3 written for Linux
> users. I do no DX or contesting and I do not use any of the new digital
> stuff - so I don't need all that extra weight, unless it is easily ignored
> or removed.
>
> For the interim, I am using the very capable Pigknob and may just opt for
> David Cole's new cottage industry keypad supreme.
>
> Suggestions would be appreciated. Please note that I am going Linux - not
> dual boot or VM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Jan 22 16:46:50 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:46:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com> <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1453499210.8265.37.camel@nostromo>

One hint about your Linux Switch, if you use Google Chrome, make sure
you install the 64 bit version of Linux, not the 32 bit version.  Google
just announced it is dropping 32 bit chrome.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 16:34 -0500, Mike Markowski wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> Popular packages to consider:
> 
> 1. Rig control: hamlib at http://sourceforge.net/p/hamlib/wiki/Hamlib/
> 2. Light weight logger: xlog at http://www.nongnu.org/xlog/
> 3. dxcluster: xdx at http://sourceforge.net/projects/xdxclusterclient/
> 
> 4. Heavy weight logger: cqrlog at https://www.cqrlog.com/
> 
> Cqrlog is worth considering because it handles up/downloading to many 
> qsl sites like Log of the Word, Clublog, etc.  But it uses MySql and 
> sounds like it isn't the more minimal set up you're looking for.
> 
> I don't know of any linux K3 memory editors.
> 
> Good luck and you'll enjoy the change!  73,
> Mike ab3ap
> 
> On 01/22/2016 03:27 PM, Bill wrote:
> > [...]
> > Is there a good rig control or memory manager for the K3 written for
> > Linux users. I do no DX or contesting and I do not use any of the new
> > digital stuff - so I don't need all that extra weight, unless it is
> > easily ignored or removed.[...]
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From n1al at sonic.net  Fri Jan 22 17:13:05 2016
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:13:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>
Message-ID: <56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>

I don't see anything on that web site that defines exactly what is meant 
by the term "ESD top".  I'd be leery unless you can find some more 
information.

Many devices advertised as "ESD mats" in fact do not work correctly - 
their resistance is too high to bleed off the static discharge in a 
reasonable time.  Several years ago I tested three different mats and 
posted the results on this reflector:

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg94407.html

I recommend you not depend on the anti-static properties of any mat or 
other device unless they specify that it meets  ANSI/ESD S4.1 or 
ANSI/ESD S20.20.  If the only specification is that they use the words 
"anti-static" or "ESD" in the product description then be very sceptical.

Alan N1AL


On 01/22/2016 11:15 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
> I've been in my shop for 4 years now and I finally have a plan on how I
> want to finish it out.
>
> One of the features will be a place to build kit's or work on my K3's
> which requires an antistatic mat.
>
> I saw one of these in a catalog that came across my desk at work.
> http://www.uline.com/BL_3853/Industrial-Packing-Tables?keywords=table
> One of the table top options is made out of ESD material and has a
> ground strap.  I would just by the table top, not the bench and
> incorporate it into my remodel.
>
> Has anyone ever used one of these.  Pro's, Con's?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich - N5ZC
>

From lew at n6lew.us  Fri Jan 22 18:08:53 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:08:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with 6 meter setup for KRC2 with K3
Message-ID: <767C8617-E931-4D5B-AD95-9A58B41E4F4A@n6lew.us>

I know this topic has been on the list before, but all the discussion I have found raises questions but doesn?t give answers. 

I recently acquired a used RKC2, which I?m trying to set up with my K3 (barefoot version; 12 watts and no KAT3)

My question concerns the mapping for 6 meters.

The K3 manual refers to the Menu setting for the KRC2 as follows:
===========

"Controls the KRC2 band decoder?s accessory output settings. Shows ACC OFF or ACC1-3 if a KRC2 is detected; - - if not.
To ensure compatibility with both old and new KRC2 firmware, two different 6 meter band decodes are provided. Tap to select BAND6=B6 (addr=10) or BAND6=B10 (addr=9). Refer to the KRC2 manual for further details. 

============
However, I am unable to find anything in the KRC2 manual that discusses the mapping for the 6 meter band.  Presuming for discussion that I have ?newer? firmware installed,

1. do I want to select BAND6=B6, or BAND6=B10? 

2.  what control line in the KRC2 should I use to energize devices associated with my 6 meter setup (e.g. coaxial relays used to connect the main K3 antenna port to an external 6 meter amplifier, rather than to my HF antenna).

ALSO

I find reference in prior discussion to  a Mac version of the KRC2 utility, but I can?t find it anywhere online. Does it exist?  Where might I get a copy? 

For that matter, where can I get ANY version of the KRC2 Utility that?s used for band mapping of the device? The only thing I can find on the Elecraft site is a Download program, not the utility that allows you to modify band mapping.

In sum, is there actually a way for me to use the KCR2 with my K3 in such a way that I can control external devices used for 6 meters? The K3 and RCR2 manuals are beyond opaque in this respect ? a disappointing variance from the usual clarity of documentation. 

73

Lew N6LEW
Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us

Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.






From n0nb at n0nb.us  Fri Jan 22 18:24:53 2016
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:24:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com>
 <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160122232453.GE3532@n0nb.us>

* On 2016 22 Jan 15:36 -0600, Mike Markowski wrote:

> I don't know of any linux K3 memory editors.

My understanding is that the memory protocol has to be reverse
engineered.

Such a project was started:

https://github.com/ik5pvx/k3mem

It has a rather hefty disclaimer, etc.  The last commit to the
repository was in Sept 2011.

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 18:38:20 2016
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:38:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <20160122232453.GE3532@n0nb.us>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com> <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
	<20160122232453.GE3532@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <56A2BD6C.20709@gmail.com>

The funny thing, Nate, is this is a project that Pf ik5pvx and I started 
back then.  There is a tradeoff between taking time to reverse engineer 
and time to get on the air.  After a decent amount of success, we opted 
for air time instead!  :-)  Especially after a week at work, a weekend 
making contacts was more fun.  I wouldn't recommend using the code 
except as a starting point for further reverse engineering.

I think someone else got further on such a project but can't recall the 
program name.  Maybe someone else can.

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 01/22/2016 06:24 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2016 22 Jan 15:36 -0600, Mike Markowski wrote:
>
>> I don't know of any linux K3 memory editors.
>
> My understanding is that the memory protocol has to be reverse
> engineered.
>
> Such a project was started:
>
> https://github.com/ik5pvx/k3mem
>
> It has a rather hefty disclaimer, etc.  The last commit to the
> repository was in Sept 2011.
>
> 73, Nate, N0NB
>

From scveal at swbell.net  Fri Jan 22 19:54:49 2016
From: scveal at swbell.net (Steven C Veal)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:54:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?
References: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all:
I have a KPA500 on order to use with my Kenwood TS-590SG (and with my Elecraft KX3). I would appreciate any suggestions on the best way to interface the TS-590SG and the amp.
In reviewing the Kenwood manual and some of the Yahoo groups, it appears that there are at least two ways to interface to the amp. The 590SG offers a mechanical relay as well as a solid state relay for amplifier switching.
The mechanical relay is apparently fairly foolproof but is noisy. The solid state relay is quieter or near silent but apparently has some issues in keying the KPA500. I don't do CW, so rapid keying is not really an issue with me.
I would appreciate any advice on the best way to interface these two. I attempted a cursory scan of previous mail list posts but the number of postings is voluminous. IS THERE A QUICK WAY TO SEARCH PREVIOUS POSTS?
Thanks all in advance for your responses!Steve, N5SKHWeatherford, TX

From edauer at law.du.edu  Fri Jan 22 20:32:18 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:32:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] ProAudio Engineering KX33 Power Supply
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15431.1453408647.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D2C82491.15C8F%edauer@law.du.edu>

Anyone have experience with the PAE KX33, particularly with a base K2?

On examination of the second incident of blown PA (and other) transistors
in the K2, and the fact that on both occasions I was using a MFJ supply,
and that the rig worked without incident when running for several hours on
a Power Werx supply, I have come to suspect that the MFJ supply created
transients which somehow escaped being regulated out.  It is now in the
trash.  Hence the need for a clean, light weight, reliable, and
well-regulated PS for the K2 when running low power, and for use with the
KX3.

All comments would be most welcome.  Tnx,

Ted, KN1CBR


From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Jan 22 20:35:03 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:35:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with 6 meter setup for KRC2 with K3
In-Reply-To: <767C8617-E931-4D5B-AD95-9A58B41E4F4A@n6lew.us>
References: <767C8617-E931-4D5B-AD95-9A58B41E4F4A@n6lew.us>
Message-ID: <AB00D3FD-00E4-4EB4-870A-31C112237E35@me.com>

Hi Lew;

See below?

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Lewis Phelps <lew at n6lew.us> wrote:
> 
> I know this topic has been on the list before, but all the discussion I have found raises questions but doesn?t give answers. 
> 
> I recently acquired a used RKC2, which I?m trying to set up with my K3 (barefoot version; 12 watts and no KAT3)
> 
> My question concerns the mapping for 6 meters.
> 
> The K3 manual refers to the Menu setting for the KRC2 as follows:
> ===========
> 
> "Controls the KRC2 band decoder?s accessory output settings. Shows ACC OFF or ACC1-3 if a KRC2 is detected; - - if not.
> To ensure compatibility with both old and new KRC2 firmware, two different 6 meter band decodes are provided. Tap to select BAND6=B6 (addr=10) or BAND6=B10 (addr=9). Refer to the KRC2 manual for further details. 
> 
> ============
> However, I am unable to find anything in the KRC2 manual that discusses the mapping for the 6 meter band.  Presuming for discussion that I have ?newer? firmware installed,
> 
> 1. do I want to select BAND6=B6, or BAND6=B10? 

BAND6=B6 will work with the 1.6 KRC2 firmware.

> 2.  what control line in the KRC2 should I use to energize devices associated with my 6 meter setup (e.g. coaxial relays used to connect the main K3 antenna port to an external 6 meter amplifier, rather than to my HF antenna).

XV1 with the standard mapping. You can set it to whatever you?d like with the KRC2 Utility.

Also, you can restore the original settings and mappings by holding the F4 button at KRC2 power-up. This only works in the V1.6 firmware.

> ALSO
> 
> I find reference in prior discussion to  a Mac version of the KRC2 utility, but I can?t find it anywhere online. Does it exist?  Where might I get a copy? 

There is no official version of the KRC2 Utility for the Mac. I have one for my own use that might be usable by others. Is this what you are looking for?

> For that matter, where can I get ANY version of the KRC2 Utility that?s used for band mapping of the device? The only thing I can find on the Elecraft site is a Download program, not the utility that allows you to modify band mapping.

The windows version is on the Elecraft site in the downloads and firmware section for the KRC2. Try this URL:
http://www.elecraft.com/software/KRC2/elecraft_KRC2_Config_software.htm

> In sum, is there actually a way for me to use the KCR2 with my K3 in such a way that I can control external devices used for 6 meters? The K3 and RCR2 manuals are beyond opaque in this respect ? a disappointing variance from the usual clarity of documentation.

Yes. See above.

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB


From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Fri Jan 22 20:35:59 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:35:59 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A2D8FF.1080906@mediacombb.net>

I wouldn't expect there to be.
Firmware is the holy grail of SDR and is really the only thing that 
differentiates one rig from another.
As such it should be protected and proprietary.

On 1/22/2016 9:47 AM, Robert Sands wrote:
> Is there a published explanation of the compression algorithm? (not
> in Fred's book, I looked and checked with him)
> Bob
> K7VO


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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 20:40:46 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:40:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  ProAudio Engineering KX33 Power Supply
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMpkYCk233Z_MaqURv2nhGWAK70GVddWq8auDMWbeAX7A@mail.gmail.com>

Ted,

I have no experience with powering a K2, but I have one that's powering
my KX3 and PX3 24/7.  Am not aware of any noise from the supply and
it runs almost cool to the touch.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

> Anyone have experience with the PAE KX33, particularly with a base K2?

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 22 20:45:01 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:45:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Compression compared to CESSB
In-Reply-To: <56A2D8FF.1080906@mediacombb.net>
References: <CAD2oaet7ggj-qwygZNHOiUNxn8GvXAGY8DxV4epSnjMq9CfWSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A2D8FF.1080906@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <56A2DB1D.7010309@blomand.net>

Yes I agree.   And I find the compression algorithm and ALC tables are 
really difficult to figure out from the outside world too.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/22/2016 7:35 PM, Kevin Stover wrote:
> I wouldn't expect there to be.
> Firmware is the holy grail of SDR and is really the only thing that 
> differentiates one rig from another.
> As such it should be protected and proprietary.
>
> On 1/22/2016 9:47 AM, Robert Sands wrote:
>> Is there a published explanation of the compression algorithm? (not
>> in Fred's book, I looked and checked with him)
>> Bob
>> K7VO
>
>



From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jan 22 20:49:52 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:49:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?
In-Reply-To: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4dD07qGKBEN-3=jDEUXLZzOWhZh72-tt9eoq+=uhLp9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Steve

All HF amps the same regardless of the vender.

This pretty much sums it up.

http://rin3.blogspot.ca/2014/12/how-to-key-your-amplifiers-with-ts-590g.html


You can ignore the pin 7 part if that helps (that is option 2)

Pin 2 of the DIN connector goes to ground (or the shield of an RCA cable)
Pin 4 goes to the center of the RCA connector you'll need for the amp.

What that does is that when the radio goes into Transmit, Pin 4 is grounded
and that turns the KPA500 on in TX mode.

You don't require any external devices or additional keying relays unless
you like to wear a belt and suspenders.  :)

That should work just fine for decades.

I hope that helps, Mike va3mw





On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Steven C Veal <scveal at swbell.net> wrote:

> Hello all:
> I have a KPA500 on order to use with my Kenwood TS-590SG (and with my
> Elecraft KX3). I would appreciate any suggestions on the best way to
> interface the TS-590SG and the amp.
> In reviewing the Kenwood manual and some of the Yahoo groups, it appears
> that there are at least two ways to interface to the amp. The 590SG offers
> a mechanical relay as well as a solid state relay for amplifier switching.
> The mechanical relay is apparently fairly foolproof but is noisy. The
> solid state relay is quieter or near silent but apparently has some issues
> in keying the KPA500. I don't do CW, so rapid keying is not really an issue
> with me.
> I would appreciate any advice on the best way to interface these two. I
> attempted a cursory scan of previous mail list posts but the number of
> postings is voluminous. IS THERE A QUICK WAY TO SEARCH PREVIOUS POSTS?
> Thanks all in advance for your responses!Steve, N5SKHWeatherford, TX
> ______________________________________________________________
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From cf at cfcorp.com  Fri Jan 22 20:54:50 2016
From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:54:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?
In-Reply-To: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025501d15581$0befc4a0$23cf4de0$@com>

I have an old TS-940 working with the KPA500.  I used the ACC amp
connections on the back on the Kenwood for PTT, which I believe is a DIP
mechanical relay - not loud at all.  In addition, the KPA500 sniffs the
RS-232 line between the Kenwood and my logging PC running DXLabs to
automatically switch bands on the KPA when the frequency changes via the
computer or via the radio.  

73,

Cliff K3LL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steven
C Veal
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 4:55 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?

Hello all:
I have a KPA500 on order to use with my Kenwood TS-590SG (and with my
Elecraft KX3). I would appreciate any suggestions on the best way to
interface the TS-590SG and the amp.
In reviewing the Kenwood manual and some of the Yahoo groups, it appears
that there are at least two ways to interface to the amp. The 590SG offers a
mechanical relay as well as a solid state relay for amplifier switching.
The mechanical relay is apparently fairly foolproof but is noisy. The solid
state relay is quieter or near silent but apparently has some issues in
keying the KPA500. I don't do CW, so rapid keying is not really an issue
with me.
I would appreciate any advice on the best way to interface these two. I
attempted a cursory scan of previous mail list posts but the number of
postings is voluminous. IS THERE A QUICK WAY TO SEARCH PREVIOUS POSTS?
Thanks all in advance for your responses!Steve, N5SKHWeatherford, TX
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From lew at n6lew.us  Fri Jan 22 21:01:23 2016
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:01:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with 6 meter setup for KRC2 with K3
In-Reply-To: <AB00D3FD-00E4-4EB4-870A-31C112237E35@me.com>
References: <767C8617-E931-4D5B-AD95-9A58B41E4F4A@n6lew.us>
	<AB00D3FD-00E4-4EB4-870A-31C112237E35@me.com>
Message-ID: <69293A19-915D-43BA-9723-B7CB98F56221@n6lew.us>

Thanks, Jack!.  This is very helpful.

I?d love to get a copy of your Mac utility. please email me offline so we can coordinate how to transfer it to me.

73

Lew N6LEW



> On Jan 22, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lew;
> 
> See below?
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Lewis Phelps <lew at n6lew.us> wrote:
>> 
>> I know this topic has been on the list before, but all the discussion I have found raises questions but doesn?t give answers. 
>> 
>> I recently acquired a used RKC2, which I?m trying to set up with my K3 (barefoot version; 12 watts and no KAT3)
>> 
>> My question concerns the mapping for 6 meters.
>> 
>> The K3 manual refers to the Menu setting for the KRC2 as follows:
>> ===========
>> 
>> "Controls the KRC2 band decoder?s accessory output settings. Shows ACC OFF or ACC1-3 if a KRC2 is detected; - - if not.
>> To ensure compatibility with both old and new KRC2 firmware, two different 6 meter band decodes are provided. Tap to select BAND6=B6 (addr=10) or BAND6=B10 (addr=9). Refer to the KRC2 manual for further details. 
>> 
>> ============
>> However, I am unable to find anything in the KRC2 manual that discusses the mapping for the 6 meter band.  Presuming for discussion that I have ?newer? firmware installed,
>> 
>> 1. do I want to select BAND6=B6, or BAND6=B10? 
> 
> BAND6=B6 will work with the 1.6 KRC2 firmware.
> 
>> 2.  what control line in the KRC2 should I use to energize devices associated with my 6 meter setup (e.g. coaxial relays used to connect the main K3 antenna port to an external 6 meter amplifier, rather than to my HF antenna).
> 
> XV1 with the standard mapping. You can set it to whatever you?d like with the KRC2 Utility.
> 
> Also, you can restore the original settings and mappings by holding the F4 button at KRC2 power-up. This only works in the V1.6 firmware.
> 
>> ALSO
>> 
>> I find reference in prior discussion to  a Mac version of the KRC2 utility, but I can?t find it anywhere online. Does it exist?  Where might I get a copy? 
> 
> There is no official version of the KRC2 Utility for the Mac. I have one for my own use that might be usable by others. Is this what you are looking for?
> 
>> For that matter, where can I get ANY version of the KRC2 Utility that?s used for band mapping of the device? The only thing I can find on the Elecraft site is a Download program, not the utility that allows you to modify band mapping.
> 
> The windows version is on the Elecraft site in the downloads and firmware section for the KRC2. Try this URL:
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/KRC2/elecraft_KRC2_Config_software.htm <http://www.elecraft.com/software/KRC2/elecraft_KRC2_Config_software.htm>
> 
>> In sum, is there actually a way for me to use the KCR2 with my K3 in such a way that I can control external devices used for 6 meters? The K3 and RCR2 manuals are beyond opaque in this respect ? a disappointing variance from the usual clarity of documentation.
> 
> Yes. See above.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Jack Brindle, W6FB

Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us

Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart.






From davidahrendts at me.com  Fri Jan 22 21:16:36 2016
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:16:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
Message-ID: <B46B666D-035A-4D5F-867C-B9471E560224@me.com>

Stumped. Need your guesses. What is this mystery, rhythmically pulsing, urban S7 QRM:  https://vimeo.com/152779708 <https://vimeo.com/152779708>  

Factors: captured 5:30pm Friday (Sunset was 5:15). Densely packed Los Angeles neighborhood ? could be next door or a block away. Occurs regularly at night or near dusk and not prime 20M day time. Occurs only on 20M. I?ve noticed it from Fall on to current Winter time.  Seems to be a mechanical device (pool pump?). 60-degrees falling to 50-degrees tonight -- a heater system? Eventually just fizzles away slowly. Elecraft K3S + P3, SteppIR DB-11.

David A., KK6DA (formerly KC0XT), LA 
 


David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jan 22 21:17:38 2016
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:17:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?
In-Reply-To: <025501d15581$0befc4a0$23cf4de0$@com>
References: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<025501d15581$0befc4a0$23cf4de0$@com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7EBSeE8pSvBztaQyoAGqskzcr6KfHUgkMp=S_C9smMiw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, I meant to add, I let the amp sniff RF and it just works.  No issues.

This is at my remote base where I have seen the amp start up at -20C
without issue and after time, I can actually get it up to 0C.  :)

The equipment is kept in a non-heated room and seems to work no matter
what.  I'm impressed.

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Cliff Frescura <cf at cfcorp.com> wrote:

> I have an old TS-940 working with the KPA500.  I used the ACC amp
> connections on the back on the Kenwood for PTT, which I believe is a DIP
> mechanical relay - not loud at all.  In addition, the KPA500 sniffs the
> RS-232 line between the Kenwood and my logging PC running DXLabs to
> automatically switch bands on the KPA when the frequency changes via the
> computer or via the radio.
>
> 73,
>
> Cliff K3LL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Steven
> C Veal
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 4:55 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?
>
> Hello all:
> I have a KPA500 on order to use with my Kenwood TS-590SG (and with my
> Elecraft KX3). I would appreciate any suggestions on the best way to
> interface the TS-590SG and the amp.
> In reviewing the Kenwood manual and some of the Yahoo groups, it appears
> that there are at least two ways to interface to the amp. The 590SG offers
> a
> mechanical relay as well as a solid state relay for amplifier switching.
> The mechanical relay is apparently fairly foolproof but is noisy. The solid
> state relay is quieter or near silent but apparently has some issues in
> keying the KPA500. I don't do CW, so rapid keying is not really an issue
> with me.
> I would appreciate any advice on the best way to interface these two. I
> attempted a cursory scan of previous mail list posts but the number of
> postings is voluminous. IS THERE A QUICK WAY TO SEARCH PREVIOUS POSTS?
> Thanks all in advance for your responses!Steve, N5SKHWeatherford, TX
> ______________________________________________________________
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 21:18:10 2016
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:18:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts4dD07qGKBEN-3=jDEUXLZzOWhZh72-tt9eoq+=uhLp9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+33ts4dD07qGKBEN-3=jDEUXLZzOWhZh72-tt9eoq+=uhLp9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3uX1xdWGLX9mO40s=ipKUrJAb1ELL8pvOCJ9NO3HTT8WA@mail.gmail.com>

I can't add much more, but the recent KPA500 software supports the
serial connection to the TS-590. You don't really need it, but it
helps by switching to the right band before you transmit, for example
if you are working crossband spit it switches to the band you are
going to be transmitting on rather than where you are receiving on. I
have usb to the computer and RS232 to the KPA500 and everything works.
It is just extra belts and suspenders, but it works well. The
frequency based switching does too.

I still manage to screw something up in haste about twice a month. The
KPA500 faults and lights up the big idiot light. A reset of the fault
brings it back on line with no problems.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> Steve
>
> All HF amps the same regardless of the vender.
>
> This pretty much sums it up.
>
> http://rin3.blogspot.ca/2014/12/how-to-key-your-amplifiers-with-ts-590g.html
>
>

From wes at triconet.org  Fri Jan 22 21:24:36 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:24:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation Keypad on teh K3/P3, solved
In-Reply-To: <1453474492.8265.15.camel@nostromo>
References: <1453430338.8265.9.camel@nostromo> <56A21679.9080908@nycap.rr.com>
	<1453474492.8265.15.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <56A2E464.9070104@triconet.org>

I'd be interested in seeing it interfaced directly to the K3 without the 
necessity of having a P3.

I considered buying one of these some time ago to play with but their only 
distributors were in Phoenix, where I am most definitely not.  One of them 
wanted to charge me Phoenix sales tax since I"m in AZ.  I went so far as to 
email him the Phoenix City Code to prove that this was unjustified.  He didn't 
care.  The other one was also in Phoenix and wanted to charge shipping based on 
the cost of the item.  So shipping a pound of $100 bills would cost a fortune 
but shipping a pound of iron would be cheap.  I suggested to Genovation that 
they find some other distributors. I'm pleased to note that Amazon has them now.

Wes  N7WS

On 1/22/2016 7:54 AM, David Cole wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's not that difficult, most of the work is just programming the P3
> macros into the P3 as Elecraft instructs you to do.  Which was harder to
> do than prepping the Genovation, as I used an external keyboard on the
> P3.
>
> Once the Keypad is updated, I just enter the triggers one time, hit the
> download button on the keypad software, and I am done forever
> programming the keypad.
>
> The keypad triggers the P3 to fire its macros, so you just program the
> triggers in once, and on the P3 make sure they match.  If you want to
> change macros, just change the P3 keeping the same trigger.  The
> triggers are arbitrarily selected.  I used 1-z, 1-0, and F1-F12, one for
> each key.  Then I just program the P3 to fire a macro on the appropriate
> trigger.
>
> The trick is in getting the triggers to match, and that is taken care of
> by the chart you can download.
>
> The write up makes it look a lot worse than it is because of the detail
> level.  The entire process took about 3 minutes to prep the Genovation,
> and the rest of the time was spent making macros on the P3.
>
> Once the Genovation is programmed I never program it again...  All it
> does is trigger macros from the P3.
>
> I must say, that after using the external keypad for a few hours on a
> pileup it is nice...  I almost never touch the K3 anymore.
>


From ppauly at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 21:49:24 2016
From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:49:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>
Message-ID: <CAKXfWbRVW+GeYF-yg8skDfYPkaKX6M2UONvCTmE7vraOEHCJzw@mail.gmail.com>

Just buy a regular bench or table and put something like this on it:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281634624339

That's what I used to build my K3S. Worked great and it even resists
soldering iron heat.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Richard Thorne <rthorne at rthorne.net> wrote:

> I've been in my shop for 4 years now and I finally have a plan on how I
> want to finish it out.
>
> One of the features will be a place to build kit's or work on my K3's
> which requires an antistatic mat.
>
> I saw one of these in a catalog that came across my desk at work.
> http://www.uline.com/BL_3853/Industrial-Packing-Tables?keywords=table One
> of the table top options is made out of ESD material and has a ground
> strap.  I would just by the table top, not the bench and incorporate it
> into my remodel.
>
> Has anyone ever used one of these.  Pro's, Con's?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich - N5ZC
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 21:51:00 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
In-Reply-To: <B46B666D-035A-4D5F-867C-B9471E560224@me.com>
References: <B46B666D-035A-4D5F-867C-B9471E560224@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTN0s5TD=vXaR9OmEMn1K7iWpFbP3RH_8jCy4z8CakbhVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave!

In a past life I was a noise technician for a large electric utility.....

WAG's:

Solar cell controlled street light.  Had one a block away about a year
ago.  Came on dimly and slowly got to normal brightness and noise
diminished as got brighter.

Is your area cold enough that someone has placed a heat tape in an eve
trough or downspout?

A timer or photo cell controlled flood light that might not be making good
contact in some manner?

Electrically heated floor?  Once hosted in a state park that had yurts with
electrically heated floor tiles.

Touch lamps are notorious noise sources.

On-demand water heater that is activated when someone gets home from work.

Are there any heated critter drinking pans or tanks nearby?  How about a
hot pad or electric blanket in a dog house?  Had one next door some years
ago.

A neighbor with grow lights?  A heated bed for plants in a green house?

The possibilities are infinite ....

73!

K0PP

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 22:52:21 2016
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 03:52:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
In-Reply-To: <B46B666D-035A-4D5F-867C-B9471E560224@me.com>
Message-ID: <emec0fe771-8c89-44d5-8294-7c14e7a45399@barry-laptop2>

David,
     I'm going to make a wild guess based on an experience I had about 10 
or so years ago. See if there is a commercial establishment not too far 
away that has an external air handler as a part of its HVAC system. Some 
of these used solid state controllers that weren't too clean. You may 
have one near by. In my case, it took a while to find it and get it 
fixed. First, we needed to figure out what it was and next where it was. 
Figuring out what it was was the hardest as no one had ever seen this 
before. And, the way we found it was by eliminating all other possible 
sources. I wish that you have less trouble locating your problem than we 
had.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "David Ahrendts" <davidahrendts at me.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 1/22/2016 9:16:36 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)

>Stumped. Need your guesses. What is this mystery, rhythmically pulsing, 
>urban S7 QRM:  https://vimeo.com/152779708 
><https://vimeo.com/152779708>
>
>Factors: captured 5:30pm Friday (Sunset was 5:15). Densely packed Los 
>Angeles neighborhood ? could be next door or a block away. Occurs 
>regularly at night or near dusk and not prime 20M day time. Occurs only 
>on 20M. I?ve noticed it from Fall on to current Winter time.  Seems to 
>be a mechanical device (pool pump?). 60-degrees falling to 50-degrees 
>tonight -- a heater system? Eventually just fizzles away slowly. 
>Elecraft K3S + P3, SteppIR DB-11.
>
>David A., KK6DA (formerly KC0XT), LA
>
>
>
>David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 00:53:49 2016
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:53:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] problem installing k-line side panels
Message-ID: <56A3156D.3010201@gmail.com>

Sorry to hit both Elecraft and Elecraft_K3 lists, but I do so in hopes 
of finding the right person for some help.

I just received my K3 & P3 Gemsproducts side panels; they look quite 
nice.  I decided to start the installation with the K3 right side panel 
first.  I have run into a problem here installing it (the right side 
panel); there are two transistors that use the panel as a heat sink; I 
cannot think of a way to get the nuts and lock washers to stay in place 
while re-assembling the unit.  Do you have any suggestions?  Having a 
factory built K3, I have no idea how they accomplished that in the first 
place, nor whether it might work in this case.

I have emailed Gemsproducts concerning this, but am turning to the lists 
in case anyone has solved this already while I am waiting for a reply.

Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV

From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Sat Jan 23 01:27:54 2016
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:27:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] problem installing k-line side panels
In-Reply-To: <56A3156D.3010201@gmail.com>
References: <56A3156D.3010201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA11CCE9-8E27-4BA0-9B1B-44593D6132D4@tx.rr.com>

You can download the assembly manual from the Elecraft website.  Look around pp 50-52 for right side panel installation.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:53 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to hit both Elecraft and Elecraft_K3 lists, but I do so in hopes of finding the right person for some help.
> 
> I just received my K3 & P3 Gemsproducts side panels; they look quite nice.  I decided to start the installation with the K3 right side panel first.  I have run into a problem here installing it (the right side panel); there are two transistors that use the panel as a heat sink; I cannot think of a way to get the nuts and lock washers to stay in place while re-assembling the unit.  Do you have any suggestions?  Having a factory built K3, I have no idea how they accomplished that in the first place, nor whether it might work in this case.
> 
> I have emailed Gemsproducts concerning this, but am turning to the lists in case anyone has solved this already while I am waiting for a reply.
> 
> T

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 01:28:03 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:28:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
In-Reply-To: <emec0fe771-8c89-44d5-8294-7c14e7a45399@barry-laptop2>
References: <B46B666D-035A-4D5F-867C-B9471E560224@me.com>
	<emec0fe771-8c89-44d5-8294-7c14e7a45399@barry-laptop2>
Message-ID: <00bd01d155a7$37752ae0$a65f80a0$@earthlink.net>

Gentlemen: 
That is not a dirty signal. It's very clean with about a 2 KHz wide SSB. The sidebands are very clean. I'd say you have a beacon or some other intentionally caused signal. It may be modulated by some grey line effect but the pulses are consistent as I can tell hearing only 4.  

73
Fred, AE6QL
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 7:52 PM
To: David Ahrendts; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)

David,
     I'm going to make a wild guess based on an experience I had about 10 or so years ago. See if there is a commercial establishment not too far away that has an external air handler as a part of its HVAC system. Some of these used solid state controllers that weren't too clean. You may have one near by. In my case, it took a while to find it and get it fixed. First, we needed to figure out what it was and next where it was. 
Figuring out what it was was the hardest as no one had ever seen this before. And, the way we found it was by eliminating all other possible sources. I wish that you have less trouble locating your problem than we had.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "David Ahrendts" <davidahrendts at me.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 1/22/2016 9:16:36 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)

>Stumped. Need your guesses. What is this mystery, rhythmically pulsing, 
>urban S7 QRM:  https://vimeo.com/152779708 
><https://vimeo.com/152779708>
>
>Factors: captured 5:30pm Friday (Sunset was 5:15). Densely packed Los 
>Angeles neighborhood ? could be next door or a block away. Occurs 
>regularly at night or near dusk and not prime 20M day time. Occurs only 
>on 20M. I?ve noticed it from Fall on to current Winter time.  Seems to 
>be a mechanical device (pool pump?). 60-degrees falling to 50-degrees 
>tonight -- a heater system? Eventually just fizzles away slowly.
>Elecraft K3S + P3, SteppIR DB-11.
>
>David A., KK6DA (formerly KC0XT), LA
>
>
>
>David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sat Jan 23 01:42:55 2016
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ProAudio Engineering KX33 Power Supply
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15756.1453517479.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.15756.1453517479.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <56A320EF.2020800@mebtel.net>

Hi Ed,

Response to step load changes is a mostly unpublished parameter of power 
supplies in general.  Both linear and switching supplies have time 
constants in the voltage control circuitry, and both can be poorly 
designed.

Designing a linear regulator can be potentially more simple, as most of 
the components affecting the steady-state and dynamic characteristics of 
the supply are designed into the control IC and a few external 
components.  This takes most of the performance characteristics out of 
the hands of the manufacturer of the supply. Indeed most linear 
regulated supplies like the Astron are mere executions of application 
note designs offered by the manufacturers of the regulator ICs.

The performance of switchers can depend more heavily on design 
execution, as the characteristics of the inductive and filter components 
can affect the regulation.  Our testing has shown the Kx33 running 14.2V 
to have less than 10mV of overshoot when returning to receive mode from 
a 2.7A KX3 transmit load.  At least one inexpensive switching supply 
spiked to over 19V in this same test.  This is caused by the response 
time of the switcher's duty cycle servo to output node voltage changes 
and is not to be confused with its output impedance causing voltage drop 
with load.  We are working on an addendum to the test reports published 
on our website which will show load step response of competing supplies 
along with currently available ripple and static voltage regulation specs.

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC



On 1/22/2016 9:51 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:

>>I have come to suspect that the MFJ supply created
>>transients which somehow escaped being regulated out.


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 23 02:17:13 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 02:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] problem installing k-line side panels
In-Reply-To: <56A3156D.3010201@gmail.com>
References: <56A3156D.3010201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A328F9.9090902@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

The nuts and lockwashers are not going to stay in place, you will have 
to mount the side panel and then insert the screws.  After that, put the 
lockwashers on and then the nuts.  It is not difficult, just a bit 
"tedious".

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/23/2016 12:53 AM, David F. Reed wrote:
> Sorry to hit both Elecraft and Elecraft_K3 lists, but I do so in hopes 
> of finding the right person for some help.
>
> I just received my K3 & P3 Gemsproducts side panels; they look quite 
> nice.  I decided to start the installation with the K3 right side 
> panel first.  I have run into a problem here installing it (the right 
> side panel); there are two transistors that use the panel as a heat 
> sink; I cannot think of a way to get the nuts and lock washers to stay 
> in place while re-assembling the unit.  Do you have any suggestions?  
> Having a factory built K3, I have no idea how they accomplished that 
> in the first place, nor whether it might work in this case.
>
> I have emailed Gemsproducts concerning this, but am turning to the 
> lists in case anyone has solved this already while I am waiting for a 
> reply.


From n0nb at n0nb.us  Sat Jan 23 04:16:52 2016
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 03:16:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <56A2BD6C.20709@gmail.com>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com> <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
	<20160122232453.GE3532@n0nb.us> <56A2BD6C.20709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160123091652.GG3532@n0nb.us>

* On 2016 22 Jan 17:39 -0600, Mike Markowski wrote:
> I think someone else got further on such a project but can't recall the
> program name.  Maybe someone else can.

There is the CHiRP project:

http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Home

I don't see the K3 listed, although there is an open issue for it:

http://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248

I'm not involved in that project, but am aware of its existence.

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

From mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Jan 23 04:57:11 2016
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:57:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't transmit split (SSB) if monitoring sub
Message-ID: <13ce29c2-e485-4282-8fd2-28b602d2a5ad@getmailbird.com>

Ron:

You will probably find that VFO B is not on the same mode. I have just gone thru that with one of my K3's in that VFO B was set to LSB. I have no idea how it happened, but it did it for every band. I must have done a global setting somehow to mess it up. I had to go into every band and every memory register and manually set it to the correct mode.?

A>B works as a temp fix, but unfortunately it doesn't effect the band stack registers and you will still have to do a manual change.?


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com
[http://www.ve3yf.com/]

From nz0tham at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 07:11:25 2016
From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 05:11:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com> <56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1453551085358-7612982.post@n2.nabble.com>

GenLog is for Windows but runs well in Linux using WINE.  Good contest
logger.  I have not been able to get the K3 memory editor to work using WINE
however.



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From mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Jan 23 08:14:27 2016
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:14:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't transmit split (SSB) if monitoring sub
Message-ID: <f86206e9-2cbd-497c-acd8-b2c328bc45c5@getmailbird.com>

Ron:

One other thing to check, what is your KRX3 menu setting at. I think it should be ANT=ATU, I can't remember there might be one other setting, it has to do with the output of the sub receiver ie Ant 1, Ant 2 or BNC. Hope that also helps, I just don't have the manual handy at the moment.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com
[http://www.ve3yf.com/]

From w7aqk at cox.net  Sat Jan 23 08:52:38 2016
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 06:52:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P and VP8STI
Message-ID: <18B1DA6BAFCF475EB9ADC95482C3C8D0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

It will be interesting to find out more about the antennas being used by 
these two DXpeditions.  Both, as I understand it, are using Elecraft gear, 
K3's and KPA500's.

K5P has been rather weak but copyable on most bands, at least here in AZ.  I 
had expected to hear them a bit more easily, since I usually get good 
signals from VK/ZL on most all bands.  I'm still missing K5P on 10 meters 
(as far as my antenna capabilities go), but that could just be timing and 
the usual uncertainty about 10 meters generally.

VP8STI has been relatively weak on most bands as well, but they are twice as 
far away.  Band conditions and timing could be a big part of that as well. 
The exception has been 30 meters!  They have almost been LOUD here on 30 
meters, and much stronger than on 40 or 20 meters.  I've worked them on 30 
(actually I thought I had worked them earlier, but that's a long story!), 
but am having difficulty on other bands.  The biggest problem has been all 
the confusion caused by others, plus the fact that they are being inundated 
because they are such a rare location.  I think they may be using 
directional antennas on some bands, and AZ may not be where they are 
pointing much of the time.

This 30 meter thing may not be as much of an anomaly as one might think at 
first blush.  30 meters is a very good band, but not utilized all that much. 
It shares many of the advantages of both 40 and 20--it's open much of the 
time, and high enough to enhance longer distance communications.  I have a 
friend in the U.K. who has very nice antennas on both 30 and 20 meters. 
More often than not, and again it may be timing, I hear him better on 30 
meters!!!!

The "confusion" surrounding the VP8 is as bad as I've ever heard it.  DX 
cops and name callers, tuner-uppers, people who don't know what "up" means, 
etc.  This is what tends to kill the fun I would have otherwise trying to 
work DX now and then.  Sometimes I wish I could take a hammer to some folk's 
radios!  It only takes a hand full of idiots to make life miserable, but in 
this case I think we have more than a hand full!  The first time I thought I 
had worked the VP8 on 30 meters I know he came back to me because he had 90% 
of my call correct.  I repeated it, and my report, but after that all I 
heard was a bunch of QRM from people calling on his freq. rather than split 
as requested.

Anyway, there seem to be some very good ops on both operations, so I suspect 
they will do very well overall.  Somehow I think I would rather be one of 
the ops on Palmyra than on Sandwich, give the difference in weather 
conditions!  Hi.  However, the VP8 guys will probably have a much more 
interesting story to tell.

Dave W7AQK



From wes at triconet.org  Sat Jan 23 10:45:39 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:45:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P and VP8STI
In-Reply-To: <18B1DA6BAFCF475EB9ADC95482C3C8D0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <18B1DA6BAFCF475EB9ADC95482C3C8D0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <56A3A023.4020300@triconet.org>

As a fellow Tucsonan here are my observations.

I believe that the K5P guys are using tunable dummy load....sorry...SteppIR 
verticals on all bands except 160.  (If I'm wrong about this, I'm sure I will be 
corrected.) I too believe that their signals have generally been underwhelming 
for the path.  Nevertheless, I have worked them on 18 slots, including all bands 
(except for 60 meters) on CW.  My antennas are modest (see QRZ) and often 
non-resonant.  For 160 thru 30, an inverted vee, apex at 45', ends at 6' on 160, 
which as everyone "knows" can't possibly work DX.  I use a K3S, KPA500 and KAT500.

VP8 is another story. I've worked them on 20 CW, 20 SSB, 15 SSB, and several 
times on 15 RTTY because they answered me once as N6WS, 20 minutes later as 
N2WS, and another half hour as NW7S.  I just keep working them 'till I'm on 
Clublog.  Likewise with two QSOs on 17 SSB.  They should have been easily 
workable on 40, but as you say the miserable operators and jammers that come out 
of the woodwork take the fun out of this activity.  For the life of me I can't 
understand why when the op says, "Who is the W6" , W8s answer.  (Not picking on 
W8s but one of your number was one of the most egregious I heard.)

As to their antennas, I don't have any special insight other than to know that 
they do have some directional antennas on some bands and the penguins keep 
messing up their ground radials.  Their operating conditions have been 
miserable.  I actually heard this exchange.  One of the Phoenix guys closes his 
QSO with, "Keep warm down there" to which the VP8 op replies, "You have to get 
warm before you can keep warm."

Wes  N7WS


On 1/23/2016 6:52 AM, w7aqk wrote:
> It will be interesting to find out more about the antennas being used by these 
> two DXpeditions.  Both, as I understand it, are using Elecraft gear, K3's and 
> KPA500's.
>
> K5P has been rather weak but copyable on most bands, at least here in AZ.  I 
> had expected to hear them a bit more easily, since I usually get good signals 
> from VK/ZL on most all bands.  I'm still missing K5P on 10 meters (as far as 
> my antenna capabilities go), but that could just be timing and the usual 
> uncertainty about 10 meters generally.
>
> VP8STI has been relatively weak on most bands as well, but they are twice as 
> far away.  Band conditions and timing could be a big part of that as well. The 
> exception has been 30 meters!  They have almost been LOUD here on 30 meters, 
> and much stronger than on 40 or 20 meters.  I've worked them on 30 (actually I 
> thought I had worked them earlier, but that's a long story!), but am having 
> difficulty on other bands.  The biggest problem has been all the confusion 
> caused by others, plus the fact that they are being inundated because they are 
> such a rare location.  I think they may be using directional antennas on some 
> bands, and AZ may not be where they are pointing much of the time.
>
> This 30 meter thing may not be as much of an anomaly as one might think at 
> first blush.  30 meters is a very good band, but not utilized all that much. 
> It shares many of the advantages of both 40 and 20--it's open much of the 
> time, and high enough to enhance longer distance communications.  I have a 
> friend in the U.K. who has very nice antennas on both 30 and 20 meters. More 
> often than not, and again it may be timing, I hear him better on 30 meters!!!!
>
> The "confusion" surrounding the VP8 is as bad as I've ever heard it.  DX cops 
> and name callers, tuner-uppers, people who don't know what "up" means, etc.  
> This is what tends to kill the fun I would have otherwise trying to work DX 
> now and then.  Sometimes I wish I could take a hammer to some folk's radios!  
> It only takes a hand full of idiots to make life miserable, but in this case I 
> think we have more than a hand full!  The first time I thought I had worked 
> the VP8 on 30 meters I know he came back to me because he had 90% of my call 
> correct.  I repeated it, and my report, but after that all I heard was a bunch 
> of QRM from people calling on his freq. rather than split as requested.
>
> Anyway, there seem to be some very good ops on both operations, so I suspect 
> they will do very well overall.  Somehow I think I would rather be one of the 
> ops on Palmyra than on Sandwich, give the difference in weather conditions!  
> Hi.  However, the VP8 guys will probably have a much more interesting story to 
> tell.
>
> Dave W7AQK
>


From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 23 11:00:21 2016
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:00:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Switching to Linux
In-Reply-To: <1453551085358-7612982.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <56A290AE.9060205@nycap.rr.com>
	<56A2A07F.10802@gmail.com>,<1453551085358-7612982.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <COL131-W1965A080559C0EAEE8503D0C50@phx.gbl>

I'm using WINE, on Mint, with N1MM+ that works very well for contests.. 
I am also using Win32 for a logger. Too bad I can't find something that does both.

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 

 		 	   		  

From K6RV at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 11:01:21 2016
From: K6RV at earthlink.net (Donald Schliesser)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:01:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC Settings
Message-ID: <56A3A3D1.1050803@earthlink.net>

After installing the new Synth board in my K3 all is well except I 
notice that on strong CW signals the AGC is not keeping that signal from 
blowing my ears off when listening to a DX pileup.

I am mostly a DX CW operator, and my present AGC settings are:

AGC HLD = 0.30
AGC PLS = NOR
AGC SLP = 002
AGC THR = 008
AGC-F = 120
AGC-S = 020
AGC DCY = SOFT

Can't remember where I got those settings but was from some post or 
blurb somewhere.

Thanks for any suggestions, Donald K6RV



From kd7gc at q.com  Sat Jan 23 11:02:57 2016
From: kd7gc at q.com (kd7gc)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:02:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P and VP8STI
In-Reply-To: <18B1DA6BAFCF475EB9ADC95482C3C8D0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <18B1DA6BAFCF475EB9ADC95482C3C8D0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <003901d155f7$72a93570$57fba050$@com>

My good friend Stan, KE5EE, currently has 22 slots on the K5P.  On Thursday
he put up temporary inverted V's for both 60 and 160.  Within 12 hours, he
had worked K5P on 60 SSB and CW, as well as on 160 CW.  He doesn't have as
many slots with the VP8, but he hasn't really been chasing them.  He is
having fantastic success with his 3 element 80 meter M Square, as well as
the first of his DB42's, this one at 120 feet.  The bottom DB42 will be
going up shortly at 72 feet.  We are both looking forward to seeing how well
the stacked DB42's work.  The first of his 200 foot rotating towers will be
going up shortly with a stack of 6 three element SteppIrs, mostly for 17
meters thru 10 meters.  The rotating base has been fully installed, and the
8 foot by 8 foot building near the base of the tower is up and filled with
all of the control boards for the 6 stack.  K7NV and K1TO will be going to
Molino to build the tower, and SteppIr's techs and engineers, led by K7MX,
will be going there to assemble the yagis and tune them so that they can be
installed on the tower.  We both are anxious to see how the 6 stack will
perform.  The next 200 foot rotating tower will go up 2 or 3 months after
the SteppIr tower.  It will have 6 over 6 over 6 over 6 on 20, and 3 over 3
over 3 over 3 on 40.  The next step in the project will be the 4 square on
160 with several receive arrays.  The rest of the towers and antennas will
follow, including a stacked pair of 80's and a converted 2  element Optibeam
80 meter yagi for 60 meters.  So far, so good.  The only failure so far has
been the OR2800 rotator turning the 3 element 80.  High winds went thru one
night and totally destroyed the rotator.  Kurt will be bringing a new prop
pitch to replace the chewed-up OR2800.  I am really looking forward to
getting the remote capability installed.  I told Stan that I just might take
down my whole station and just use his via remote, HiHi.

 

Alan - N7MIT

 

 





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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 23 11:19:14 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:19:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC Settings
In-Reply-To: <56A3A3D1.1050803@earthlink.net>
References: <56A3A3D1.1050803@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <56A3A802.8030808@embarqmail.com>

Donald,

The AGC settings, particularly the slope and the threshold are best set 
to your individual preferences.  There is no setting that is perfect for 
everyone - that is why Elecraft allows the parameters to be varied 
instead of providing one setting for everyone.

For guidance on how to evaluate the results of any changes, take a look 
at my webpage www.w3fpr.com article on "Noisy K3".
The key is that you cannot make a good evaluation by listening only to a 
signal, you must listen for the effects in gaps between the words of a 
signal.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/23/2016 11:01 AM, Donald Schliesser wrote:
> After installing the new Synth board in my K3 all is well except I 
> notice that on strong CW signals the AGC is not keeping that signal 
> from blowing my ears off when listening to a DX pileup.
>
> I am mostly a DX CW operator, and my present AGC settings are:
>
> AGC HLD = 0.30
> AGC PLS = NOR
> AGC SLP = 002
> AGC THR = 008
> AGC-F = 120
> AGC-S = 020
> AGC DCY = SOFT
>
> Can't remember where I got those settings but was from some post or 
> blurb somewhere.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions, Donald K6RV
>
>
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From gijoe1644 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 11:50:32 2016
From: gijoe1644 at gmail.com (J. Fielden)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Buying k2 or kx3
Message-ID: <CAPYNyaJTmz6yjtpP1cEgwoFS993GrKD9XpTr51WEeadvUVsgfA@mail.gmail.com>

hello all, new to the list, hoping to buy a k2 or kx3 within next couple
weeks. I was hoping to find used k2, but seems like all the ones I find are
just couple hundred less than used kx3. Seems like the kx3 is well worth
200 more. I only do Cw / Qrp , and just looking for opinions, thoughts
observations

Thanks, 73
Jim, wa4ar


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From rthorne at rthorne.net  Sat Jan 23 11:58:03 2016
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:58:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3A For Sale - $95 Shipped
Message-ID: <56A3B11B.1060401@rthorne.net>

I just upgraded one of my rigs from a KXV3A to a KXV3B.

This KXV3A will accept the internal 2 meter option, K144XV.

Includes the KXV3A, rear panel plate, TMP cable assembly and mounting 
screws.  The manual is available on line.

Pic available.

$95 shipped priority mail to USA.

Rich - N5ZC

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 12:05:47 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:05:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] AGC Settings
In-Reply-To: <56A3A802.8030808@embarqmail.com>
References: <56A3A3D1.1050803@earthlink.net> <56A3A802.8030808@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-BqeSQiEm3p7w-ZDKyoGSWA7u2kz7LwrpFuz5gtOvCqA@mail.gmail.com>

Agree with Don't comments.  If signals are blowing your ears off, you need
one of the following:

lower AF Gain
lower AGC Threshold
higher AGC Slope  (higher SLP value is actually flatter curve which
technically is a lower slope)

I encourage everyone to learn and understand how to set up their
manual/auto gain settings, and not just willy nilly copy other people's
settings.

73, Barry N1EU

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Donald,
>
> The AGC settings, particularly the slope and the threshold are best set to
> your individual preferences.  There is no setting that is perfect for
> everyone - that is why Elecraft allows the parameters to be varied instead
> of providing one setting for everyone.
>
> For guidance on how to evaluate the results of any changes, take a look at
> my webpage www.w3fpr.com article on "Noisy K3".
> The key is that you cannot make a good evaluation by listening only to a
> signal, you must listen for the effects in gaps between the words of a
> signal.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/23/2016 11:01 AM, Donald Schliesser wrote:
>
>> After installing the new Synth board in my K3 all is well except I notice
>> that on strong CW signals the AGC is not keeping that signal from blowing
>> my ears off when listening to a DX pileup.
>>
>> I am mostly a DX CW operator, and my present AGC settings are:
>>
>> AGC HLD = 0.30
>> AGC PLS = NOR
>> AGC SLP = 002
>> AGC THR = 008
>> AGC-F = 120
>> AGC-S = 020
>> AGC DCY = SOFT
>>
>> Can't remember where I got those settings but was from some post or blurb
>> somewhere.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions, Donald K6RV
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
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>>
>>
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From lightdazzled at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 12:10:50 2016
From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:10:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Buying k2 or kx3
In-Reply-To: <CAPYNyaJTmz6yjtpP1cEgwoFS993GrKD9XpTr51WEeadvUVsgfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPYNyaJTmz6yjtpP1cEgwoFS993GrKD9XpTr51WEeadvUVsgfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPF-ba02UKQhXbpvEsigC-T_HbORuXCGp41q2Usfm9T1Qxrp=Q@mail.gmail.com>

If your primary concern is performance, the KX3 is your answer.

You should be able to find a QRP only K2 with ATU  for $600-700. An
equivalent KX2 will be over $1000.

I have a KX3 and a K2, but use the K2 as my base station and only rarely
use the KX3 at home. Something about a rig I have/can repair and maintain
myself that makes it appealing, and in day to day operations it doesn't
give up much to the KX3.

72
Chip
AE5KA

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:50 AM, J. Fielden <gijoe1644 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hello all, new to the list, hoping to buy a k2 or kx3 within next couple
> weeks. I was hoping to find used k2, but seems like all the ones I find are
> just couple hundred less than used kx3. Seems like the kx3 is well worth
> 200 more. I only do Cw / Qrp , and just looking for opinions, thoughts
> observations
>
> Thanks, 73
> Jim, wa4ar
>
>
> --
> 72/73, Jim - wa4ar
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From w6jhb at me.com  Sat Jan 23 12:10:35 2016
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:10:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buying k2 or kx3
In-Reply-To: <CAPYNyaJTmz6yjtpP1cEgwoFS993GrKD9XpTr51WEeadvUVsgfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPYNyaJTmz6yjtpP1cEgwoFS993GrKD9XpTr51WEeadvUVsgfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F09AEBD-336E-4218-95C3-BB53A316FADD@me.com>

Jim -

I?ve owned both rigs. The K2 was a very nice radio, but IMHO, the KX3 blows it away. Your options are far more extensive. If you do want to operate SSB or digital some time in the future - it is built in right from the get-go; no additional boards to install and mess with. Want a band display / pan-adapter? Simple to use with the free NaP3 software on Windows, or with the plug and play PX3. I sold my K2 about six or seven years ago to finance the purchase of a K3. I subsequently added a KX3/PX3 to my station and while I did enjoy that K2, this KX3/PX3 combination is a much better option - for me anyway!

I use my KX3 about 99% for CW, although I have made several SSB, PSK31, and JT65 contacts with it. 

Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA


> On   Saturday, Jan 23, 2016, at  Saturday, 8:50 AM, J. Fielden <gijoe1644 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hello all, new to the list, hoping to buy a k2 or kx3 within next couple
> weeks. I was hoping to find used k2, but seems like all the ones I find are
> just couple hundred less than used kx3. Seems like the kx3 is well worth
> 200 more. I only do Cw / Qrp , and just looking for opinions, thoughts
> observations
> 
> Thanks, 73
> Jim, wa4ar
> 
> 
> -- 
> 72/73, Jim - wa4ar
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From jkiracofe51 at charter.net  Sat Jan 23 12:39:01 2016
From: jkiracofe51 at charter.net (jkiracofe51 at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:39:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Posting new Thread on Reglector
Message-ID: <9Vf01s0085Q3Tjq01Vf0ig@charter.net>

 

	RE:  [Elecraft] KX3; Procedure for Setting TX CMP & TX EQ + DVR 

	I desire to utilize both CMP and TX EQ in SSB transmissions on a KX3.


	In the KX3 Owners  Manual, there are well defined procedures for
setting Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ, but it leaves doubt as to which to
set first as Mic Gain and CMP are grouped together with TX EQ
described several pages later. This would imply TX EQ would be set
last. 

	As TX EQ could effect overall audio amplitude peaks, it would seem
that TX EQ should be set first then adjust Mic Gain for proper levels,
then set CMP. 

	What is the Elecraft recommended procedure / order  for setting these
three adjustments ? 

	My next questions involves storing and playing messages on the DVR
where CMP and TX EQ are desired. 

	With Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ set as desired for a CQ message for
example, would the DVR store the message as processed with CMP and TX
EQ active ? 

	Assume I leave the Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ at the same setting when
the DVR  CQ message was stored ?  When playing the message back on
the air, would the message be processed twice (CMP & TX EQ), once
during recording and once during playback or just once ? 

	Feedback will be greatly appreciated. 

	John KN4XX 

	Jkiracofe51 at charter.net

From roncerra at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 12:55:40 2016
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:55:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: KX3/PX3/KXPA100AT
Message-ID: <1453571740113-7612996.post@n2.nabble.com>

FS: KX3, PX3, KXPA100, KXPAT100  SETUP, plus KX3 and PX3 Nifty Desk Stands
and PX3 Nifty Mini-Manual.  Includes all manuals and cables that came with
equipment.  Purchased new factory assembled July 2015.  36 QSOs to date.
Everything in excellent to mint condition; works perfectly or complete
refund. Never portable; never installed batteries.  Non-smoking home. 
Covered when not in use.  KX3 has KXBC3-F, KXFL3-F, KX3-PCKT, MH3
Microphone. KXPA100 includes KXPACBL  IO cable and KXSER-a  RS-232 cable.
Original price $3,150.00.  Asking $2,550.00  including shipping and
insurance to lower 48. Will not split package, Have SignaLink USB sound card
wired for KX3 and PowerWerx power supply also sold by Elecraft if
interested. Please contact off-line at roncerra at outlook.com  73 and thank
you for your time



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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jan 23 13:04:10 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:04:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Posting new Thread on Reglector
In-Reply-To: <9Vf01s0085Q3Tjq01Vf0ig@charter.net>
References: <9Vf01s0085Q3Tjq01Vf0ig@charter.net>
Message-ID: <F045C456-638C-4D17-8E6D-9B82B684A329@wunderwood.org>

The KX3 DVR stores the message after TX EQ and compression have been applied. That makes it handy for evaluating levels of compression.

I wrote up some collected hints here:

http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ <http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 9:39 AM, jkiracofe51 at charter.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	RE:  [Elecraft] KX3; Procedure for Setting TX CMP & TX EQ + DVR 
> 
> 	I desire to utilize both CMP and TX EQ in SSB transmissions on a KX3.
> 
> 
> 	In the KX3 Owners  Manual, there are well defined procedures for
> setting Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ, but it leaves doubt as to which to
> set first as Mic Gain and CMP are grouped together with TX EQ
> described several pages later. This would imply TX EQ would be set
> last. 
> 
> 	As TX EQ could effect overall audio amplitude peaks, it would seem
> that TX EQ should be set first then adjust Mic Gain for proper levels,
> then set CMP. 
> 
> 	What is the Elecraft recommended procedure / order  for setting these
> three adjustments ? 
> 
> 	My next questions involves storing and playing messages on the DVR
> where CMP and TX EQ are desired. 
> 
> 	With Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ set as desired for a CQ message for
> example, would the DVR store the message as processed with CMP and TX
> EQ active ? 
> 
> 	Assume I leave the Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ at the same setting when
> the DVR  CQ message was stored ?  When playing the message back on
> the air, would the message be processed twice (CMP & TX EQ), once
> during recording and once during playback or just once ? 
> 
> 	Feedback will be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> 	John KN4XX 
> 
> 	Jkiracofe51 at charter.net
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From roncerra at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 13:06:36 2016
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:06:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: KX3/PX3/KXPA100AT CORRECTION
Message-ID: <1453572396787-7612997.post@n2.nabble.com>

FS: KX3, PX3, KXPA100, KAT100  SETUP, plus KX3 and PX3 Nifty Desk Stands and
PX3 Nifty Mini-Manual.  Includes all manuals and cables that came with
equipment.  Purchased new factory assembled July 2015.  36 QSOs to date.
Everything in excellent to mint condition; works perfectly or complete
refund. Never portable; never installed batteries.  Non-smoking home. 
Covered when not in use.  KX3 has KXBC3-F, KXFL3-F, KX3-PCKT, MH3
Microphone, KXPD3 paddle. KXPA100 includes KXPACBL  IO cable and KXSER-a 
RS-232 cable. Original price $3,280.00.  Asking $2,550.00  including
shipping and insurance to lower 48. Will not split package, Have SignaLink
USB sound card wired for KX3 and PowerWerx power supply also sold by
Elecraft if interested. Please reply off-line to roncerra at outlook.com. 73
and thank you for your time.



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From n4la at live.com  Sat Jan 23 13:15:32 2016
From: n4la at live.com (Todd Brady)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:15:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2/10 For Sale
Message-ID: <BLU184-W161AE56511119D7A780A7BF4C50@phx.gbl>

For Sale....Elecraft K2 / 10 watt TranceiverOptions include ....SSB / 160 meter /KDSP2 /Internal ATU /RS232 / MH2 hand micBuilt by Larry (AE4LD) of LNR PrecisionAligned and calibrated by Don Wilhelm W3FPRLike new conditionPrice $750.00 & you pay to shipAdditional items to go with the K2 ...Vibroplex Code Warrior JR / Iambic Paddle ... $70.00OHR/WM-2 qrp watt meter w/ power on LED ... $100.00Package price .. $900.00 and I'll pay USPS shippingPics of meter and paddle available upon request.PayPal OKPlease note: Radio must sell before I sell meter or paddle. Please contact me off list at n4la at live.com 		 	   		  

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jan 23 14:04:40 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:04:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P and VP8STI
In-Reply-To: <56A3A023.4020300@triconet.org>
References: <18B1DA6BAFCF475EB9ADC95482C3C8D0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<56A3A023.4020300@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <56A3CEC8.9070207@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Something can be learned from their websites.  There have also been 
posts to the NCDXC reflector from K6MM, one of three members on that 
trip. Wes is correct about K5P antennas, except that they have a Battle 
Creek special for 80 and 160M.  Photos of the SteppIRs suggest an 
inadequate radial system, which would account for weak signals. Yes, 
there's water nearby, but that only helps first reflections. They're in 
my log for one Q on all bands except 6M, and at least 1 Q for CW, SSB, 
and RTTY. And I worked them QRP on 20 SSB and 160 CW. Trying to stay out 
of the way for stations needing them more than me, I stop once I get 
there. I believe that one reason for their antenna choices is that they 
were VERY limited by what they could fit onto an aircraft that could 
land on the island. Not only that, but at the last minute, three guys 
had to stay at the airport because they had to use an even smaller 
aircraft.

VP8STI is mostly Force 12 C3s for 20/15/10, similar Force 12 for 17/12. 
2-tower phased vertical array for 80 and 160. Don't remember what for 30 
and 40. Study the "plans" page on their website for detailed drawings. 
They're in my log on 15,17, 20, 30, 40, and 80, and one QSO each mode. 
Haven't heard them on 10, 12, or 160. I'm still trying for a QRP QSO.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sat,1/23/2016 7:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> As a fellow Tucsonan here are my observations.
>
> I believe that the K5P guys are using tunable dummy 
> load....sorry...SteppIR verticals on all bands except 160.  (If I'm 
> wrong about this, I'm sure I will be corrected.) I too believe that 
> their signals have generally been underwhelming for the path.  
> Nevertheless, I have worked them on 18 slots, including all bands 
> (except for 60 meters) on CW.  My antennas are modest (see QRZ) and 
> often non-resonant.  For 160 thru 30, an inverted vee, apex at 45', 
> ends at 6' on 160, which as everyone "knows" can't possibly work DX.  
> I use a K3S, KPA500 and KAT500.
>
> VP8 is another story. I've worked them on 20 CW, 20 SSB, 15 SSB, 


From davidahrendts at me.com  Sat Jan 23 14:06:14 2016
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:06:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
References: <B46B666D-035A-4D5F-867C-B9471E560224@me.com>
Message-ID: <CE60EE91-F7E7-4B42-97F3-5FA3F9BCF36B@me.com>

A bit more: I watched this mystery QRM pretty closely for an hour Friday evening as 20 meters closed for the day (by 6:30pm PST). The cadence of this noise changed. It slowed. Then faded away with the band. I?m scratching my brain to try think of a mechanical device that would create that kind of rhythm. And as always as I check 20 meters at 11am Saturday, there is no sign of the QRM. 
Will listen again late afternoon today. May experiment moving the DB-11 around to see if it is directional. 


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
> Subject: OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
> Date: January 22, 2016 at 6:16:36 PM PST
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> 
> Stumped. Need your guesses. What is this mystery, rhythmically pulsing, urban S7 QRM:  https://vimeo.com/152779708 <https://vimeo.com/152779708>  
> 
> Factors: captured 5:30pm Friday (Sunset was 5:15). Densely packed Los Angeles neighborhood ? could be next door or a block away. Occurs regularly at night or near dusk and not prime 20M day time. Occurs only on 20M. I?ve noticed it from Fall on to current Winter time.  Seems to be a mechanical device (pool pump?). 60-degrees falling to 50-degrees tonight -- a heater system? Eventually just fizzles away slowly. Elecraft K3S + P3, SteppIR DB-11.
> 
> David A., KK6DA (formerly KC0XT), LA 
>  
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>   
> 
> 
> 
> 




David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Jan 23 14:48:57 2016
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:48:57 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K5P and VP8STI
In-Reply-To: <56A3CEC8.9070207@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <18B1DA6BAFCF475EB9ADC95482C3C8D0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I><56A3A023.4020300@triconet.org>
	<56A3CEC8.9070207@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1486716CCB80466096EC6E7C0079F64E@DOUG1>

Dear OMs,
    I have as part of my antenna system a BigIR Vertical but perhaps this is
part of the problem.   With stepper motors it would not be wise to put this
antenna too close to the water line.   For 80M it would not be too good
because of the loading coil.

    Standard verticals might have been a better bet in this application.

    In Europe K5P is considered a phantom station but of course their day
and our night occur at the same times so this hurts and propagation is not
great.   These are good operators and maybe like all DXpeditions some are
still learning but boy did they pay for the privilege.    So my fedora is
tipped to them and I rather dislike some of the cheap criticisms of them
found on the reflectors.   People who do not contribute have little
justification in making such comments.   Ah but we do it for our sports
teams all the time - they get paid.   These guys pay for the privilege of
their own K-rations.

     VP8STI is an altogether easier reach from the EU and especially from EI
where we can put the EU to our back and NA to our side on a southerly route.

      Thanks to both K5P and VP8STI.

               73 Doug EI2CN 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: 23 January 2016 19:05
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K5P and VP8STI

Something can be learned from their websites.  There have also been 
posts to the NCDXC reflector from K6MM, one of three members on that 
trip. Wes is correct about K5P antennas, except that they have a Battle 
Creek special for 80 and 160M.  Photos of the SteppIRs suggest an 
inadequate radial system, which would account for weak signals. Yes, 
there's water nearby, but that only helps first reflections. They're in 
my log for one Q on all bands except 6M, and at least 1 Q for CW, SSB, 
and RTTY. And I worked them QRP on 20 SSB and 160 CW. Trying to stay out 
of the way for stations needing them more than me, I stop once I get 
there. I believe that one reason for their antenna choices is that they 
were VERY limited by what they could fit onto an aircraft that could 
land on the island. Not only that, but at the last minute, three guys 
had to stay at the airport because they had to use an even smaller 
aircraft.

VP8STI is mostly Force 12 C3s for 20/15/10, similar Force 12 for 17/12. 
2-tower phased vertical array for 80 and 160. Don't remember what for 30 
and 40. Study the "plans" page on their website for detailed drawings. 
They're in my log on 15,17, 20, 30, 40, and 80, and one QSO each mode. 
Haven't heard them on 10, 12, or 160. I'm still trying for a QRP QSO.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sat,1/23/2016 7:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> As a fellow Tucsonan here are my observations.
>
> I believe that the K5P guys are using tunable dummy 
> load....sorry...SteppIR verticals on all bands except 160.  (If I'm 
> wrong about this, I'm sure I will be corrected.) I too believe that 
> their signals have generally been underwhelming for the path.  
> Nevertheless, I have worked them on 18 slots, including all bands 
> (except for 60 meters) on CW.  My antennas are modest (see QRZ) and 
> often non-resonant.  For 160 thru 30, an inverted vee, apex at 45', 
> ends at 6' on 160, which as everyone "knows" can't possibly work DX.  
> I use a K3S, KPA500 and KAT500.
>
> VP8 is another story. I've worked them on 20 CW, 20 SSB, 15 SSB, 

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jan 23 15:13:15 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 14:13:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
In-Reply-To: <CE60EE91-F7E7-4B42-97F3-5FA3F9BCF36B@me.com>
References: <B46B666D-035A-4D5F-867C-B9471E560224@me.com>
	<CE60EE91-F7E7-4B42-97F3-5FA3F9BCF36B@me.com>
Message-ID: <56A3DEDB.3040401@blomand.net>

If one is serious about finding noise, I've found this item to go a long 
way in identifying down to the building or site from which it 
originates.  It takes a bit of practice and time to triangulate but does 
work well.  I'm sure there's other equipment and methods available as well.

http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-856

This is always a good item for a club to have and own for its members.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/23/2016 1:06 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> A bit more: I watched this mystery QRM pretty closely for an hour Friday evening as 20 meters closed for the day (by 6:30pm PST). The cadence of this noise changed. It slowed. Then faded away with the band. I?m scratching my brain to try think of a mechanical device that would create that kind of rhythm. And as always as I check 20 meters at 11am Saturday, there is no sign of the QRM.
> Will listen again late afternoon today. May experiment moving the DB-11 around to see if it is directional.
>



From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 23 17:29:39 2016
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (ac5p at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 22:29:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
In-Reply-To: <56A3DEDB.3040401@blomand.net>
References: <56A3DEDB.3040401@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1998213802.287376.1453588179134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, but David says, "only occurs on 20M", so this may not hear it at 135MHz??? Need portable like KX3 and small mag loop tuned to 20M. 

    On Saturday, January 23, 2016 2:14 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
 

 If one is serious about finding noise, I've found this item to go a long 
way in identifying down to the building or site from which it 
originates.? It takes a bit of practice and time to triangulate but does 
work well.? I'm sure there's other equipment and methods available as well.

http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-856

This is always a good item for a club to have and own for its members.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/23/2016 1:06 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> A bit more: I watched this mystery QRM pretty closely for an hour Friday evening as 20 meters closed for the day (by 6:30pm PST). The cadence of this noise changed. It slowed. Then faded away with the band. I?m scratching my brain to try think of a mechanical device that would create that kind of rhythm. And as always as I check 20 meters at 11am Saturday, there is no sign of the QRM.
> Will listen again late afternoon today. May experiment moving the DB-11 around to see if it is directional.
>


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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 23 20:00:01 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:00:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net> <56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com>

Rich,

I agree with Alan - there is no information about the "ESD qualities" of 
that top.

You may have better luck if you contact a local cabinetmaker and ask him 
to build a top using laminate (like a kitchen countertop) to whatever 
size you want.  Then get a proper ESD mat from a good supplier and place 
it on the workbench top.  That is what I use, but I built my own (I ran 
a custom woodworking shop to 10 years, so constructing such a workbench 
was not a chore for me).  The ESD mat does not necessarily have to cover 
the entire workbench, only the working area.

I suspect the total cost will be less than the workbench top you were 
looking at.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2016 5:13 PM, Alan wrote:
> I don't see anything on that web site that defines exactly what is 
> meant by the term "ESD top".  I'd be leery unless you can find some 
> more information.
>
> Many devices advertised as "ESD mats" in fact do not work correctly - 
> their resistance is too high to bleed off the static discharge in a 
> reasonable time.  Several years ago I tested three different mats and 
> posted the results on this reflector:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg94407.html
>
> I recommend you not depend on the anti-static properties of any mat or 
> other device unless they specify that it meets  ANSI/ESD S4.1 or 
> ANSI/ESD S20.20.  If the only specification is that they use the words 
> "anti-static" or "ESD" in the product description then be very sceptical.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 01/22/2016 11:15 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
>> I've been in my shop for 4 years now and I finally have a plan on how I
>> want to finish it out.
>>
>> One of the features will be a place to build kit's or work on my K3's
>> which requires an antistatic mat.
>>
>> I saw one of these in a catalog that came across my desk at work.
>> http://www.uline.com/BL_3853/Industrial-Packing-Tables?keywords=table
>> One of the table top options is made out of ESD material and has a
>> ground strap.  I would just by the table top, not the bench and
>> incorporate it into my remodel.
>>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jan 23 20:28:51 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:28:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net> <56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>
	<56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A428D3.80706@blomand.net>

Places such as LOWE'S and HOME DEPOT carry stock counter tops. Usually 
in 4 ft, 6 ft, 8 ft and 10 ft lengths of several different colors.  
Standard depth including the back splash is about 25".    I have used 
one for years.  Choose a light solid color as it makes small parts easy 
to find.  These are much less expensive as opposed to a custom top.   
Add an antistatic mat which can be used, moved or stowed away.

To support the top, I built a 2 x 4 frame with a riser that is 16" 
deep.  This is the shelf for the test equipment to sit above the working 
surface.  The shelf is covered with 1/4" Masonite.  The counter top then 
sits some 12" lower and in front.  In the rise area, also filled with 
1/4" Masonite, between the counter top and equipment shelf, I have 
several GFI outlets, plus a 240 volt 20A outlet for working on amps,  
along with 3  chassis mount 50 amp PowerPole connectors for my DC needs.

Just decide if you want a sit down bench or a stand up bench for 
choosing the height above the floor.  I chose a stand up bench and I use 
a tall bar stool with a back.  Don't choose a tall stool with casters, 
otherwise you will become very friendly with the floor.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/23/2016 7:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Rich,
>
> I agree with Alan - there is no information about the "ESD qualities" 
> of that top.
>
> You may have better luck if you contact a local cabinetmaker and ask 
> him to build a top using laminate (like a kitchen countertop) to 
> whatever size you want.  Then get a proper ESD mat from a good 
> supplier and place it on the workbench top.  That is what I use, but I 
> built my own (I ran a custom woodworking shop to 10 years, so 
> constructing such a workbench was not a chore for me).  The ESD mat 
> does not necessarily have to cover the entire workbench, only the 
> working area.
>
> I suspect the total cost will be less than the workbench top you were 
> looking at.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/22/2016 5:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>> I don't see anything on that web site that defines exactly what is 
>> meant by the term "ESD top".  I'd be leery unless you can find some 
>> more information.
>>
>> Many devices advertised as "ESD mats" in fact do not work correctly - 
>> their resistance is too high to bleed off the static discharge in a 
>> reasonable time.  Several years ago I tested three different mats and 
>> posted the results on this reflector:
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg94407.html
>>
>> I recommend you not depend on the anti-static properties of any mat 
>> or other device unless they specify that it meets  ANSI/ESD S4.1 or 
>> ANSI/ESD S20.20.  If the only specification is that they use the 
>> words "anti-static" or "ESD" in the product description then be very 
>> sceptical.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>> On 01/22/2016 11:15 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
>>> I've been in my shop for 4 years now and I finally have a plan on how I
>>> want to finish it out.
>>>
>>> One of the features will be a place to build kit's or work on my K3's
>>> which requires an antistatic mat.
>>>
>>> I saw one of these in a catalog that came across my desk at work.
>>> http://www.uline.com/BL_3853/Industrial-Packing-Tables?keywords=table
>>> One of the table top options is made out of ESD material and has a
>>> ground strap.  I would just by the table top, not the bench and
>>> incorporate it into my remodel.
>>>
>
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 20:50:16 2016
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:50:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <56A428D3.80706@blomand.net>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net> <56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>
	<56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com> <56A428D3.80706@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3vixEK4JwbeggzahF6=5C5AnWnnKg9AssxN_gxzcYG2Vw@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with the previous responses. ESD material does wear out,
especially in my dry climate. It has to be replaced once in a while.
In commercial operations is is tested on a schedule and discarded if
it does not pass. It has to be conductive enough to keep parts from
damage and resistive enough to not allow a shock.

I would like to offer another option.

Home Depot will sell you workbench legs, I bought these but they have
several sizes. They were shipped free

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-33-in-Adjustable-Height-Workbench-Legs-ABL30/204417821;jsessionid=E3520EC0F5BF7CC72323A1EF2F5C2DE0
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-5-in-x-72-in-Work-Bench-Stringer-ST72/204417825

I then laminated 1/8 masonite on a solid core door, routed the edges
and put oak edge banding on just for grins to make the bench tops. I
also but blocks under the legs to make it taller for a stand up bench.

Take a look at my qrz.com page for pictures.

It saved a bunch of money over a standard lab type workbench and I had
fun making it. A standard countertop or similar would go on the legs
easily, they just screw onto the bottom. The legs are very sturdy. I
just put ESD mat on the work surface area. The edge banding was not
the best idea, it tends to chip easily. I connected my ground system
to the metal legs, maybe it helps as a counterpoise, maybe it makes no
difference.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> Places such as LOWE'S and HOME DEPOT carry stock counter tops. Usually in 4
> ft, 6 ft, 8 ft and 10 ft lengths of several different colors.  Standard
> depth including the back splash is about 25".    I have used one for years.

From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Jan 23 21:40:06 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:40:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood TS-590SG with KPA500 amp?
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3uX1xdWGLX9mO40s=ipKUrJAb1ELL8pvOCJ9NO3HTT8WA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<735344574.21400.1453510489161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+33ts4dD07qGKBEN-3=jDEUXLZzOWhZh72-tt9eoq+=uhLp9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3uX1xdWGLX9mO40s=ipKUrJAb1ELL8pvOCJ9NO3HTT8WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B64A56D1-E6FD-4BF2-9796-88BCCED40A81@me.com>

As Mark points out, the latest firmware (at the beta page) works quite well with Kenwoord transceivers. If you are using the KPA500 with a Kenwood transceiver, be sure to update your firmware to V1.47 - you should see a difference in how well it works. And, if you have any comments, I?m all ears?

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't add much more, but the recent KPA500 software supports the
> serial connection to the TS-590. You don't really need it, but it
> helps by switching to the right band before you transmit, for example
> if you are working crossband spit it switches to the band you are
> going to be transmitting on rather than where you are receiving on. I
> have usb to the computer and RS232 to the KPA500 and everything works.
> It is just extra belts and suspenders, but it works well. The
> frequency based switching does too.
> 
> I still manage to screw something up in haste about twice a month. The
> KPA500 faults and lights up the big idiot light. A reset of the fault
> brings it back on line with no problems.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark
> W7MLG
> 
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>> Steve
>> 
>> All HF amps the same regardless of the vender.
>> 
>> This pretty much sums it up.
>> 
>> http://rin3.blogspot.ca/2014/12/how-to-key-your-amplifiers-with-ts-590g.html
>> 
>> 
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From mspetrovic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 22:11:00 2016
From: mspetrovic at gmail.com (Mark Petrovic)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:11:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for
	building a K1
Message-ID: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

-- 
Mark

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Sat Jan 23 23:01:41 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:01:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation
 forbuilding a K1
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19F88332CEC8400698F38769561B76C3@tomsPC>


Hi I use a Weller WES51.  You can get it and all accessories at digikey
73 Tom
va2fsq.com


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark Petrovic
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM
To: elecraft at qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation 
forbuilding a K1

Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

-- 
Mark
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 23 23:10:19 2016
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 22:10:19 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation
	forbuilding a K1
In-Reply-To: <19F88332CEC8400698F38769561B76C3@tomsPC>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F88332CEC8400698F38769561B76C3@tomsPC>
Message-ID: <8B7EAF67-F2A6-47AA-B9DB-A1285A3AEE39@mchsi.com>

Circuit Specialists in the Phoenix area has a nice assortment.  I have found them a reliable mail order source as have others.  Just a customer.

<http://www.circuitspecialists.com/soldering-stations>

David K0LUM


> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi I use a Weller WES51.  You can get it and all accessories at digikey
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petrovic
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM
> To: elecraft at qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
> 
> Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
> recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
> mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- 
> Mark
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan 23 23:47:13 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:47:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation
 forbuilding a K1
In-Reply-To: <19F88332CEC8400698F38769561B76C3@tomsPC>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F88332CEC8400698F38769561B76C3@tomsPC>
Message-ID: <56A45751.6020007@socal.rr.com>

Here a WES51, too. An excellent choice.

Phil W7OX

On 1/23/16 8:01 PM, Tom wrote:
>
> Hi I use a Weller WES51.  You can get it and all 
> accessories at digikey
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petrovic
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM
> To: elecraft at qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station 
> recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
>
> Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, 
> and am seeking a
> recommendation for a temperature controlled 
> soldering station
> mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
>


From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 00:00:29 2016
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:00:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for
 building a K1
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A45A6D.5090504@wi.rr.com>

I have the Hako FX888D

I love it.  I work in electronics manufacturing and our factory 
equipment guy recommended them.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_1_5_acs_h_2i_2593162011_13837391?ie=UTF8&qid=1453611442&sr=8-5-acs&node=13837391&srs=2593162011&field-keywords=hakko+soldering+station




On 1/23/2016 9:11 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote:
> Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
> recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
> mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> -- 
> 73,
>
> Gary K9GS
>
> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>
> ************************************************

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 24 00:02:17 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:02:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for
 building a K1
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A45AD9.5000705@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

Most any temperature controlled soldering station will do a good job for 
you.
I use the Hakko 936 soldering station although I believe that has been 
discontinued.  Circuit Specialists does have a knock-off of the Hakko 
936 which takes the same tips.  You might want to consider something 
like that.  You want an iron that can be adjusted in temperature and has 
replacable tips.
I like the 1/16 inch screwdriver tip for most applications - the flats 
on the tip will transfer heat better than a conical tip, but your 
experience may vary, there are many who swear by the conical tips.

Do not use a regular non-temperature controlled soldering iron. They get 
too hot and can damage the board.  Those irons were fine when soldering 
to vacuum tube bases, but those days are in the past unless you are 
restoring boat anchor gear.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/23/2016 10:11 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote:
> Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
> recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
> mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
>


From ab2e at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 24 00:13:15 2016
From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:13:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation
 forbuilding a K1
In-Reply-To: <56A45751.6020007@socal.rr.com>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F88332CEC8400698F38769561B76C3@tomsPC>,
	<56A45751.6020007@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR16MB044762ABCBF72C7073CCEBE79BC60@SN1PR16MB0447.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Ditto here on the WES51 solder station, very well-built and reliable.
73 Darrell AB2E

________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:47 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1

Here a WES51, too. An excellent choice.

Phil W7OX

On 1/23/16 8:01 PM, Tom wrote:
>
> Hi I use a Weller WES51.  You can get it and all
> accessories at digikey
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petrovic
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM
> To: elecraft at qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station
> recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
>
> Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1,
> and am seeking a
> recommendation for a temperature controlled
> soldering station
> mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
>

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From jww at dslextreme.com  Sun Jan 24 04:23:20 2016
From: jww at dslextreme.com (John W Webster)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 01:23:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <D1C2BF70-C0E2-46E4-9BE2-DBF625B7381D@dslextreme.com>

Please consider joining us for the Elecraft SSB net on Sunday 
24 January 2016 at 18:00z (UTC) on 20m 14.303.5 plus or minus
QRM.

Eric WB9JNZ from IL was net control last week, and sent this
report:

Elecraft SSB Net 1-17-2016

AE6JV     Bill           CA            K3            6299

N2LRB   Jose        NY            K3            7791

N6JW     John       CA            K3            936

KF7EB    Wally     WY           KX3         8514

W4RKS  Jim          TX             K3            3618

WB9JNZ Eric        IL              K3            4017      Net Control

WO1I     Dick        MA           K3            911

NC0JW  Jim          CO            KX3         1356      Relay Help

NM7J     Steve     NV            K3            2105

KF7GC   Tommy AZ             K2            5818

W7QHD Kurt       AZ             K2            1538

W8OV    Dave      TX             K3            3139

W5TTF   Charley  TX             K3            4016

KK6DA   David     CA            K3S          10125

W1GO   Joe          NY            K3S          10389

W4VT     John       CT             ?                Audio ckeck

KM4IK   Ian           GA            K3            1597

W0CZ     Ken        ND           K3S          10329

ZL1PDW Peter      NZ            K3            139

KE7FSD Al            AZ             K3            8543

N6LEW  Lou          CA            K3            3805

K4GCJ    Gary       NC            K3            1597

W4DML  Doug       TN            K3            6433

KD5J       Cord       AK            K3            7707

K6WDE/KH6  Dave      HI       KX3         6406

KD2CIO   Andy      NY            Yaesu FT-1000MP

K9JRI      Mike       IN             KX3         7692

VE6RMB/M Randy  BC            KX3         6406

NS7P      Phil         OR            K3            1826

K6VWE  Stan        MI            K3            650

K9GEM  Gary       TX             K3            3227      1ST Time check in




From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 05:19:45 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:19:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation
 forbuilding a K1
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR16MB044762ABCBF72C7073CCEBE79BC60@SN1PR16MB0447.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F88332CEC8400698F38769561B76C3@tomsPC>
	<56A45751.6020007@socal.rr.com>
	<SN1PR16MB044762ABCBF72C7073CCEBE79BC60@SN1PR16MB0447.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b8ZgMvbEscsxbPFCO1BcOv=4-RaUBt+a8ku-+1eS2_MsA@mail.gmail.com>

I've got the digital readout WESD51, very pleased, and good assortment of
tips available.

Barry N1EU

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:13 AM, AB2E Darrell <ab2e at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ditto here on the WES51 solder station, very well-built and reliable.
> 73 Darrell AB2E
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Phil
> Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:47 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation
> forbuilding a K1
>
> Here a WES51, too. An excellent choice.
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/23/16 8:01 PM, Tom wrote:
> >
> > Hi I use a Weller WES51.  You can get it and all
> > accessories at digikey
> > 73 Tom
> > va2fsq.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petrovic
> > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM
> > To: elecraft at qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station
> > recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
> >
> > Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1,
> > and am seeking a
> > recommendation for a temperature controlled
> > soldering station
> > mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 24 05:32:10 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:32:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3vixEK4JwbeggzahF6=5C5AnWnnKg9AssxN_gxzcYG2Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>
	<56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>	<56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com>
	<56A428D3.80706@blomand.net>
	<CAKn+a3vixEK4JwbeggzahF6=5C5AnWnnKg9AssxN_gxzcYG2Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01d15692$7bce32e0$736a98a0$@earthlink.net>

Richard I have worked with some of the most static sensitive parts in the
world, tunnel diodes. When working for NASA we had to do a failure modes
analysis on any parts that failed. I would say the quality of the ESD
material ranked at the bottom of factors to take into account. Particularly
since any top would be used in conjunction with an antistatic mat. The mats
do wear out in the sense that the rubber dries out and they tend to crumble.
Other than that I find they all do the job.  There is wide latitude. 
In terms of tops you do not want such as metal or any slick plastic or vinyl
surfaces where things slide. I think the ones we used were either wood or
composition. I think your ESD top would be fine.
Some of the little things are very important. Don't use storage bins with
little polystyrene trays for anything. (I like muffin tins.) Likewise keep
Styrofoam out of the room. I have measured 5KV on a Styrofoam cup that had
coffee in it. Our pot cores came packed in Styrofoam. We had the stockroom
unload them and repack in metal trays. Keep the humidity in the range of 40
to 60%RH. Wear only cotton clothing and make sure your soldering iron is
grounded. If you wax the floors use an antistatic wax. Use only pink or
silver antistatic bags such as Elecraft uses. Leave the ZIP lock bags in
your kitchen. BTW if you are one that thinks that ESD devices must be in a
certain narrow range of resistance, measure the resistance of an antistatic
bag. You'll find the range is way out of sight. The trick here is not to
generate ESD rather than dissipating ESD after you make it. 
73
Fred, AE6QL 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Goldberg
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 5:50 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench

I agree with the previous responses. ESD material does wear out, especially
in my dry climate. It has to be replaced once in a while.
In commercial operations is is tested on a schedule and discarded if it does
not pass. It has to be conductive enough to keep parts from damage and
resistive enough to not allow a shock.

I would like to offer another option.

Home Depot will sell you workbench legs, I bought these but they have
several sizes. They were shipped free

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-33-in-Adjustable-Height-Workbench-Legs-ABL3
0/204417821;jsessionid=E3520EC0F5BF7CC72323A1EF2F5C2DE0
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-5-in-x-72-in-Work-Bench-Stringer-ST72/20441
7825

I then laminated 1/8 masonite on a solid core door, routed the edges and put
oak edge banding on just for grins to make the bench tops. I also but blocks
under the legs to make it taller for a stand up bench.

Take a look at my qrz.com page for pictures.

It saved a bunch of money over a standard lab type workbench and I had fun
making it. A standard countertop or similar would go on the legs easily,
they just screw onto the bottom. The legs are very sturdy. I just put ESD
mat on the work surface area. The edge banding was not the best idea, it
tends to chip easily. I connected my ground system to the metal legs, maybe
it helps as a counterpoise, maybe it makes no difference.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:
> Places such as LOWE'S and HOME DEPOT carry stock counter tops. Usually 
> in 4 ft, 6 ft, 8 ft and 10 ft lengths of several different colors.
Standard
> depth including the back splash is about 25".    I have used one for
years.
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 24 05:45:39 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:45:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Antennas with resistor and OCFD.
In-Reply-To: <002d01d133ce$6ce74370$46b5ca50$@biz>
References: <005701d133a8$e44a1e40$acde5ac0$@com>	<566A4856.3040908@foothill.net>
	<002d01d133ce$6ce74370$46b5ca50$@biz>
Message-ID: <00ac01d15694$5df59860$19e0c920$@earthlink.net>

True rhombics are hard to rotate. Even harder is finding the space to put
one up in the first place. See what your HOA has to say about it.
73
Fred, AE6QL 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron
D'Eau Claire
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Antennas with resistor and OCFD.

Fred, K6DGW wrote:

Ummm ... rhombics *always* work well for their intended use. 
Unterminated, they are bi-directional.  With the terminating resistor, they
are unidirectional in the direction from the feedline to the terminator.
Since terminated rhombics are usually 2 or more wavelengths on a side, they
have very narrow beamwidths with a big F/B ratio, low radiation angle, and
high gain.
------------------------

Quite so but it's worth noting that the unidirectional characteristics
obtained with a terminating resistor did not result in any additional gain.
Instead, the resistor absorbed the RF that would have been radiated on (or
received from) the reciprocal heading, giving the array its unidirectional
characteristic.

Yagi's, quads and similar arrays gain a stronger main lobe by suppressing
radiation in other directions.  

A rhombic is a classic example of how the best design is not always the
design that radiates the most RF. 
The problem with a rhombic for Ham use on the HF bands is that they tend to
be an absolute beast to try to rotate. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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From pf at tippete.net  Sun Jan 24 08:41:14 2016
From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:41:14 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ACC breakout box
Message-ID: <87k2mzumbp.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>


Hello,
do you know if someone sells a ready made breakout box usable with the
K3 ACC port?

Pf

-- 
Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx

From efortner at ctc.net  Sun Jan 24 09:07:32 2016
From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:07:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <00ab01d15692$7bce32e0$736a98a0$@earthlink.net>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>	<56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>	<56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com>	<56A428D3.80706@blomand.net>	<CAKn+a3vixEK4JwbeggzahF6=5C5AnWnnKg9AssxN_gxzcYG2Vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ab01d15692$7bce32e0$736a98a0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004a01d156b0$91f2b410$b5d81c30$@net>

And don't forget those rubber shop mats on the floor.

Earl, K4KAY

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Townsend
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:32 AM
To: 'Elecraft Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench

Richard I have worked with some of the most static sensitive parts in the
world, tunnel diodes. When working for NASA we had to do a failure modes
analysis on any parts that failed. I would say the quality of the ESD
material ranked at the bottom of factors to take into account. Particularly
since any top would be used in conjunction with an antistatic mat. The mats
do wear out in the sense that the rubber dries out and they tend to crumble.
Other than that I find they all do the job.  There is wide latitude. 
In terms of tops you do not want such as metal or any slick plastic or vinyl
surfaces where things slide. I think the ones we used were either wood or
composition. I think your ESD top would be fine.
Some of the little things are very important. Don't use storage bins with
little polystyrene trays for anything. (I like muffin tins.) Likewise keep
Styrofoam out of the room. I have measured 5KV on a Styrofoam cup that had
coffee in it. Our pot cores came packed in Styrofoam. We had the stockroom
unload them and repack in metal trays. Keep the humidity in the range of 40
to 60%RH. Wear only cotton clothing and make sure your soldering iron is
grounded. If you wax the floors use an antistatic wax. Use only pink or
silver antistatic bags such as Elecraft uses. Leave the ZIP lock bags in
your kitchen. BTW if you are one that thinks that ESD devices must be in a
certain narrow range of resistance, measure the resistance of an antistatic
bag. You'll find the range is way out of sight. The trick here is not to
generate ESD rather than dissipating ESD after you make it. 
73
Fred, AE6QL 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Goldberg
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 5:50 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench

I agree with the previous responses. ESD material does wear out, especially
in my dry climate. It has to be replaced once in a while.
In commercial operations is is tested on a schedule and discarded if it does
not pass. It has to be conductive enough to keep parts from damage and
resistive enough to not allow a shock.

I would like to offer another option.

Home Depot will sell you workbench legs, I bought these but they have
several sizes. They were shipped free

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-33-in-Adjustable-Height-Workbench-Legs-ABL3
0/204417821;jsessionid=E3520EC0F5BF7CC72323A1EF2F5C2DE0
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-5-in-x-72-in-Work-Bench-Stringer-ST72/20441
7825

I then laminated 1/8 masonite on a solid core door, routed the edges and put
oak edge banding on just for grins to make the bench tops. I also but blocks
under the legs to make it taller for a stand up bench.

Take a look at my qrz.com page for pictures.

It saved a bunch of money over a standard lab type workbench and I had fun
making it. A standard countertop or similar would go on the legs easily,
they just screw onto the bottom. The legs are very sturdy. I just put ESD
mat on the work surface area. The edge banding was not the best idea, it
tends to chip easily. I connected my ground system to the metal legs, maybe
it helps as a counterpoise, maybe it makes no difference.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:
> Places such as LOWE'S and HOME DEPOT carry stock counter tops. Usually 
> in 4 ft, 6 ft, 8 ft and 10 ft lengths of several different colors.
Standard
> depth including the back splash is about 25".    I have used one for
years.
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From K8UT at charter.net  Sun Jan 24 09:20:45 2016
From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry Gauthier (K8UT))
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:20:45 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <004a01d156b0$91f2b410$b5d81c30$@net>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>	<56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>	<56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com>	<56A428D3.80706@blomand.net>	<CAKn+a3vixEK4JwbeggzahF6=5C5AnWnnKg9AssxN_gxzcYG2Vw@mail.gmail.com><00ab01d15692$7bce32e0$736a98a0$@earthlink.net>
	<004a01d156b0$91f2b410$b5d81c30$@net>
Message-ID: <AEF3BE490DAA43868AA927DF14FF0830@K8UTPC>

A static-reduction trick from my hospital CCU's days where we treated 
electrically susceptible patients with electrodes connected to cardiac 
organs:

If you have a carpeted shack, shampoo the carpet with detergent but add a 
healthy dose of liquid fabric softener to the shampoo water. Dramatically 
reduces static buildup in low humidity winter weather.

-larry (K8UT)
-----Original Message----- 
From: efortner
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 2:07 PM
To: 'Fred Townsend' ; 'Elecraft Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench

And don't forget those rubber shop mats on the floor.

Earl, K4KAY

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Townsend
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:32 AM
To: 'Elecraft Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench

Richard I have worked with some of the most static sensitive parts in the
world, tunnel diodes. When working for NASA we had to do a failure modes
analysis on any parts that failed. I would say the quality of the ESD
material ranked at the bottom of factors to take into account. Particularly
since any top would be used in conjunction with an antistatic mat. The mats
do wear out in the sense that the rubber dries out and they tend to crumble.
Other than that I find they all do the job.  There is wide latitude.
In terms of tops you do not want such as metal or any slick plastic or vinyl
surfaces where things slide. I think the ones we used were either wood or
composition. I think your ESD top would be fine.
Some of the little things are very important. Don't use storage bins with
little polystyrene trays for anything. (I like muffin tins.) Likewise keep
Styrofoam out of the room. I have measured 5KV on a Styrofoam cup that had
coffee in it. Our pot cores came packed in Styrofoam. We had the stockroom
unload them and repack in metal trays. Keep the humidity in the range of 40
to 60%RH. Wear only cotton clothing and make sure your soldering iron is
grounded. If you wax the floors use an antistatic wax. Use only pink or
silver antistatic bags such as Elecraft uses. Leave the ZIP lock bags in
your kitchen. BTW if you are one that thinks that ESD devices must be in a
certain narrow range of resistance, measure the resistance of an antistatic
bag. You'll find the range is way out of sight. The trick here is not to
generate ESD rather than dissipating ESD after you make it.
73
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Goldberg
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 5:50 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench

I agree with the previous responses. ESD material does wear out, especially
in my dry climate. It has to be replaced once in a while.
In commercial operations is is tested on a schedule and discarded if it does
not pass. It has to be conductive enough to keep parts from damage and
resistive enough to not allow a shock.

I would like to offer another option.

Home Depot will sell you workbench legs, I bought these but they have
several sizes. They were shipped free

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-33-in-Adjustable-Height-Workbench-Legs-ABL3
0/204417821;jsessionid=E3520EC0F5BF7CC72323A1EF2F5C2DE0
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-5-in-x-72-in-Work-Bench-Stringer-ST72/20441
7825

I then laminated 1/8 masonite on a solid core door, routed the edges and put
oak edge banding on just for grins to make the bench tops. I also but blocks
under the legs to make it taller for a stand up bench.

Take a look at my qrz.com page for pictures.

It saved a bunch of money over a standard lab type workbench and I had fun
making it. A standard countertop or similar would go on the legs easily,
they just screw onto the bottom. The legs are very sturdy. I just put ESD
mat on the work surface area. The edge banding was not the best idea, it
tends to chip easily. I connected my ground system to the metal legs, maybe
it helps as a counterpoise, maybe it makes no difference.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:
> Places such as LOWE'S and HOME DEPOT carry stock counter tops. Usually
> in 4 ft, 6 ft, 8 ft and 10 ft lengths of several different colors.
Standard
> depth including the back splash is about 25".    I have used one for
years.
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From fcady at montana.edu  Sun Jan 24 10:10:43 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 15:10:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ACC breakout box
In-Reply-To: <87k2mzumbp.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
References: <87k2mzumbp.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
Message-ID: <BY2PR0201MB0808FD2EB7857E63656F7C35AFC60@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Have a look at www.winford.com.  
73,
Fred KE7X

For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com

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Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:41 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ACC breakout box

Hello,
do you know if someone sells a ready made breakout box usable with the
K3 ACC port?

Pf

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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Jan 24 11:06:49 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:06:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Buying K2 or KX3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15946.1453575985.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D2CA4296.15D8F%edauer@law.du.edu>

If you were also thinking about buying new, and if you enjoy the building
process, the KX3 and the K2 are entirely different experiences.  I?ve
built both, plus the K3 and a number of accessories (PX3, P3, etc.)
Building a KX3 kit is essentially nut-and-bolt assembly of pre-made
pieces.  Interesting to do but not much of a challenge.  The K2 is a
challenge, and for me was a rewarding learning experience.  I haven?t had
the K2 nearly long enough to offer any comparisons of the two rigs?
operations - indeed, so far I have hardly used it on the air at all.  But
if building interests you, I would encourage you to consider the K2.  I
personally would not have bought a K2 pre-built.

Ted, KN1CBR


------------------------------

Message: 17
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:50:32 -0500
From: "J. Fielden" <gijoe1644 at gmail.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Buying k2 or kx3
Message-ID:
	<CAPYNyaJTmz6yjtpP1cEgwoFS993GrKD9XpTr51WEeadvUVsgfA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

hello all, new to the list, hoping to buy a k2 or kx3 within next couple
weeks. I was hoping to find used k2, but seems like all the ones I find are
just couple hundred less than used kx3. Seems like the kx3 is well worth
200 more. I only do Cw / Qrp , and just looking for opinions, thoughts
observations

Thanks, 73
Jim, wa4ar


-- 
72/73, Jim - wa4ar



From pf at tippete.net  Sun Jan 24 11:14:07 2016
From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:14:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ACC breakout box
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR0201MB0808FD2EB7857E63656F7C35AFC60@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	(Fred Cady's message of "Sun, 24 Jan 2016 15:10:43 +0000")
References: <87k2mzumbp.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
	<BY2PR0201MB0808FD2EB7857E63656F7C35AFC60@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <87bn8buf8w.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>


Thanks Fred, and thanks also to Tom who replied offline with the same
info. I found one that matches what I have in mind.

Pf

>>>>> "Cady," == Cady, Fred <fcady at montana.edu> writes:


    Cady,> Have a look at www.winford.com.  
    Cady,> 73,
    Cady,> Fred KE7X

    Cady,> For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com

    Cady,> ________________________________________
    Cady,> From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Pierfrancesco Caci <pf at tippete.net>
    Cady,> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:41 AM
    Cady,> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
    Cady,> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ACC breakout box

    Cady,> Hello,
    Cady,> do you know if someone sells a ready made breakout box usable with the
    Cady,> K3 ACC port?

    Cady,> Pf

    Cady,> --
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Jan 24 11:27:50 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:27:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering Station Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16090.1453652062.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D2CA4815.15DA3%edauer@law.du.edu>

On the advice of Jim, K9YC, I bought a Hakko to build a K2 recently, along
with a couple of tips of different sizes as Don, W3FPR, suggests.  Worked
great.  I haven?t built a K1, but based on my experience with a K2 I would
strongly recommend you buy a ?solder sucker? as well.  Very inexpensive,
works amazingly well, and saves a great deal of embarassment.

Ted, KN1CBR


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Petrovic
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM
To: elecraft at qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation
forbuilding a K1

Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

-- 
Mark
______________________________________________________________


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jan 24 11:37:36 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 07:37:36 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <201601241637.u0OGbXIB009186@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Very similar to the MFJ is the Arrow satellite beam: 3-elem 2m/6-elem 
70cm.  You can assemble only the 2m elements if you are noise source 
hunting.  KX3 on batteries is excellent radio to use.  Add a step 
attenuator to reduce noise level when you are getting close.
http://www.arrowantennas.com/

73, Ed - KL7UW
----------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 14:13:15 -0600
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
Message-ID: <56A3DEDB.3040401 at blomand.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

If one is serious about finding noise, I've found this item to go a long
way in identifying down to the building or site from which it
originates.  It takes a bit of practice and time to triangulate but does
work well.  I'm sure there's other equipment and methods available as well.

http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-856

This is always a good item for a club to have and own for its members.

73
Bob, K4TAX



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From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 11:41:36 2016
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:41:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mystery noise
Message-ID: <8D4A86F2-5609-44E8-8A1A-CFB76F0B6EAF@gmail.com>

I see a similar signal on 20 meters. Only hear it with antenna connected.  I guess it's time to look for it.
Ray
W8LYJ

Sent from my iPad

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jan 24 11:55:19 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 07:55:19 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
Message-ID: <201601241655.u0OGtKJH008566@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

In my hamshack (spare bedroom) I have my electronic workbench which 
is a 4-foot Sears workbench with tool cabinet to which I extended the 
top with a 3-foot piece of particle-board shelving held up with big 
shelf brackets to the wall.

I built my KXPA-100 kit with anti-static matt lain on the bench top, 
yesterday.  If there is suitable prop on 20m today, I will check into 
the Elecraft Net with it driven by my K3/10.  Have not, yet, 
connected the KX3 via the optional control cables.  I was surprised 
that the amp was driven fully with only 3w from the K3/10 on HF; 
takes 8w on 6m for 80w.

Also surprised with its size; very suitable partner with the KX3 (or my K3/10).

73, Ed
PS: we were shaken up early this morning by 7.1 earthquake about 80 
mi sw of us.  Mostly stuff knocked off shelves and loss of utility 
power for a few hours.  It did snap the drawer runner for one of my 
drawers in the bathroom.  There was a 6.4 earthquake 2-seconds later 
5-mi from the first so we got the combined jolts - lasted about a minute.

From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
Message-ID: <56A42211.6020208 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Rich,

I agree with Alan - there is no information about the "ESD qualities" of
that top.

You may have better luck if you contact a local cabinetmaker and ask him
to build a top using laminate (like a kitchen countertop) to whatever
size you want.  Then get a proper ESD mat from a good supplier and place
it on the workbench top.  That is what I use, but I built my own (I ran
a custom woodworking shop to 10 years, so constructing such a workbench
was not a chore for me).  The ESD mat does not necessarily have to cover
the entire workbench, only the working area.

I suspect the total cost will be less than the workbench top you were
looking at.

73,
Don W3FPR



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From widelitz at gte.net  Sun Jan 24 11:59:36 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 08:59:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B and W5XD Multi-Keyer
Message-ID: <003f01d156c8$9b6b6650$d24232f0$@gte.net>

I have been unable to get my W5XD Multi-Keyer to work with the KIO3B and
CBLP3Y even after following Eric's instructions. Has anyone on the list
gotten this combination working? If so, what did you do?

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 12:04:19 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:04:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buying K2 or KX3
In-Reply-To: <D2CA4296.15D8F%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D2CA4296.15D8F%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <56A50413.1010202@socal.rr.com>

I agree with Ted. Building my K2 from 1999-2003 
(as new options like SSB and 100 W came 
available), with various updates and mods into 
2014, was one of the best experiences I've had in 
ham radio. With the dominance of SMT in today's 
designs, the K2 may have been the last major kit 
of that type, alas.

But if Jim is buying a rig for QRP ops vs. the 
building experience, the KX3 wins by a pretty wide 
margin IMO.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/24/16 8:06 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> If you were also thinking about buying new, and if you enjoy the building
> process, the KX3 and the K2 are entirely different experiences.  I?ve
> built both, plus the K3 and a number of accessories (PX3, P3, etc.)
> Building a KX3 kit is essentially nut-and-bolt assembly of pre-made
> pieces.  Interesting to do but not much of a challenge.  The K2 is a
> challenge, and for me was a rewarding learning experience.  I haven?t had
> the K2 nearly long enough to offer any comparisons of the two rigs?
> operations - indeed, so far I have hardly used it on the air at all.  But
> if building interests you, I would encourage you to consider the K2.  I
> personally would not have bought a K2 pre-built.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:50:32 -0500
> From: "J. Fielden" <gijoe1644 at gmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Buying k2 or kx3
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAPYNyaJTmz6yjtpP1cEgwoFS993GrKD9XpTr51WEeadvUVsgfA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> hello all, new to the list, hoping to buy a k2 or kx3 within next couple
> weeks. I was hoping to find used k2, but seems like all the ones I find are
> just couple hundred less than used kx3. Seems like the kx3 is well worth
> 200 more. I only do Cw / Qrp , and just looking for opinions, thoughts
> observations
>
> Thanks, 73
> Jim, wa4ar
>
>


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jan 24 12:06:20 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 08:06:20 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation
 forbuilding a K1
Message-ID: <201601241706.u0OH6N7v003870@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe) solder station which is 
essential for good soldering.  It does cost double the other guys but 
the "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is dropped to 450F when 
solder iron is parked in its holder.  It returns to 670F (temp fully 
adjustable) a few seconds after I take the iron out of the 
holder.  This feature really extends life of the tips.  Having a 
professional station really makes my little business of building kits 
much better/easier.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From fcady at montana.edu  Sun Jan 24 12:08:40 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:08:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Fixed/Tracking Toggle Broken
In-Reply-To: <005501d154d3$3e0da7d0$ba28f770$@gte.net>
References: <005501d154d3$3e0da7d0$ba28f770$@gte.net>
Message-ID: <BY2PR0201MB08087A9ED11B8629539588E3AFC60@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Ken,
I don't know if you have solved this yet but it sounds like the rs232 link between the K3(S) and the P3 is not there.  The P3 defaults to Tracking (Fixed VFO - Tuned Spectrum) mode in that case.  If you are using the KIO3B, make sure the RJ45 is plugged in securely with a definite snap when it is.
Cheers,
Fred KE7x

For all KE7X Electraft book, see www.ke7x.com



________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Ken Widelitz <widelitz at gte.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:10 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Fixed/Tracking Toggle Broken

I switched my K3 to split to see the VP8STI pile-up. Now I am stuck in
tracking mode. I go into menu/FixTrack and when I click to toggle, nothing
happens, even after exiting split mode. I've turned the K3/P3 off to no
avail.



73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT





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From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Jan 24 12:14:43 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:14:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
Message-ID: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>

Hello group mind,

I have a P3 control question for you all...

It appears to me, that the P3 does not accept macros for itself, via the
trigger launch process which fires off macros to the K3.

Is this assumption on my part correct?

If so, is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?

In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?


-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info




From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jan 24 12:29:06 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:29:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <56A509E2.6000408@coho.net>

Good Morning,
     Please join us this afternoon and evening for the two Elecraft 
Nets.  My antenna is in better shape this week since a brief respite 
from the rain allowed me to find the lost guy line and pull it taut.  
Now for a longer break in the weather to allow me to raise it higher.

Join us on:

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

    73,
        Kevin.  KD5ONS

From fcady at montana.edu  Sun Jan 24 12:33:42 2016
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:33:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
References: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <BY2PR0201MB08088D7EB8B506922D9E8AE0AFC60@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

That's right, Dave.  I'll bet a nickle that a P3 firmware update will allow that in the future because you can do that with the PX3.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X

For  all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com



________________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:14 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

Hello group mind,

I have a P3 control question for you all...

It appears to me, that the P3 does not accept macros for itself, via the
trigger launch process which fires off macros to the K3.

Is this assumption on my part correct?

If so, is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?

In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?


--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jan 24 13:02:17 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:02:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: OT Mystery QRM Help (Video)
In-Reply-To: <1998213802.287376.1453588179134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <56A3DEDB.3040401@blomand.net>
	<1998213802.287376.1453588179134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A511A9.7020204@blomand.net>

Usually electrical noise is very broad band in nature.  I use the MFJ 
unit to find the general direction, triangulate to an area, and then 
using a 24" reflector type microphone, equipped with a high gain audio 
amp and headphones, go "listening to poles".  {Yea the neighbors think 
I'm crazy, but so what.}  You can actually hear the arcing at connectors 
for conductors, ground arcing or insulators arcing.   I've even stood on 
the ground with the crew from the power company and identified the exact 
connector which is loose.  Another handy item is an infrared 
thermometer.  A hot spot is likely a problem spot.  This works to scan 
ones breaker panel as well.

If the noise is inside a building or house, proceed with caution. Dogs 
bite and occupants may shoot first.

If the noise is from a device oscillating this is more frequency 
selective and a bit more of a challenge to find and isolate.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/23/2016 4:29 PM, ac5p at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Yes, but David says, "only occurs on 20M", so this may not hear it at 
> 135MHz?   Need portable like KX3 and small mag loop tuned to 20M.
>
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2016 2:14 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX 
> <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>
>
> If one is serious about finding noise, I've found this item to go a long
> way in identifying down to the building or site from which it
> originates.  It takes a bit of practice and time to triangulate but does
> work well.  I'm sure there's other equipment and methods available as 
> well.
>
> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-856
>
> This is always a good item for a club to have and own for its members.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 1/23/2016 1:06 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> > A bit more: I watched this mystery QRM pretty closely for an hour 
> Friday evening as 20 meters closed for the day (by 6:30pm PST). The 
> cadence of this noise changed. It slowed. Then faded away with the 
> band. I?m scratching my brain to try think of a mechanical device that 
> would create that kind of rhythm. And as always as I check 20 meters 
> at 11am Saturday, there is no sign of the QRM.
> > Will listen again late afternoon today. May experiment moving the 
> DB-11 around to see if it is directional.
> >
>
>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jan 24 13:21:20 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:21:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10113i-5FD34A8AF0334F69A910657C87365AE1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

With this facility, I would consider using a micro controller to implement two functions:

  P3 for split mode: Read VFOs A and B. Set center and span so A
  and B VFOs are on opposite sides of the display. To use, tune
  in the DX on A and put B just above the pileup. Press the
  button.

  P3 for band scanning: Band edge aware setup for fixed spans,
  e.g. 50KHz, 100KHz 200KHz. Read VFO A. Set span to the fixed
  span. Set the center so the VFO is near the center of the
  display and the lower edge is a multiple of half the span above
  the bottom edge of the band.
  
73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/24/16 at 9:14 AM, dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) wrote:

> ... is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
> the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?
> 
> In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
> using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?

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From jkiracofe51 at charter.net  Sun Jan 24 14:09:43 2016
From: jkiracofe51 at charter.net (jkiracofe51 at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:09:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft]  KX3;
	Procedure for Setting TX CMP & TX EQ + DVR
Message-ID: <9v9j1s00A02Ur0601v9jJk@charter.net>



	I desire to utilize both CMP and TX EQ in SSB transmissions on a KX3.


	In the KX3 Owners  Manual, there are well defined procedures for
setting Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ, but it leaves doubt as to which to
set first as Mic Gain and CMP are grouped together with TX EQ
described several pages later. This would imply TX EQ would be set
last. 

	As TX EQ could effect overall audio amplitude peaks, it would seem
that TX EQ should be set first then adjust Mic Gain for proper levels,
then set CMP. 

	What is the Elecraft recommended procedure / order  for setting these
three adjustments ? 

	My next questions involves storing and playing messages on the DVR
where CMP and TX EQ are desired. 

	With Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ set as desired for a CQ message for
example, would the DVR store the message as processed with CMP and TX
EQ active ? 

	Assume I leave the Mic Gain, CMP and TX EQ at the same setting when
the DVR  CQ message was stored ?  When playing the message back on
the air, would the message be processed twice (CMP & TX EQ), once
during recording and once during playback or just once ? 

	Feedback will be greatly appreciated. 

	John KN4XX 

	Jkiracofe51 at charter.net

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jan 24 14:26:24 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:26:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3;
 Procedure for Setting TX CMP & TX EQ + DVR
In-Reply-To: <9v9j1s00A02Ur0601v9jJk@charter.net>
References: <9v9j1s00A02Ur0601v9jJk@charter.net>
Message-ID: <56A52560.5080505@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,1/24/2016 11:09 AM, jkiracofe51 at charter.net wrote:
> As TX EQ could effect overall audio amplitude peaks, it would seem
> that TX EQ should be set first then adjust Mic Gain for proper levels,
> then set CMP.

That's exactly right. Most mics should have TXEQ set for maximum cut of 
the three lower bands, with 6 dB cut of the fourth band, everything else 
set "flat" -- that is, no boost or cut. A few mics benefit from a few dB 
of boost in the higher two bands.

Once TXEQ is set, then set MicGain per the manual, then adjust CMP so 
that you see no more than 10 dB of compression on peaks of TX audio.

This will optimize audio for best communications quality, and for 
performance under weak signal conditions, boosting your "talk power" by 
nearly 13 dB. The recommended low-cut is typically good for 2-3 dB -- 
that's how much power is wasted by low frequency components of voice, 
which make no contribution to intelligibility.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jan 24 14:40:26 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:40:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RXEQ for KX3
Message-ID: <56A528AA.5070009@audiosystemsgroup.com>

I generally set RXEQ flat (no boost or cut) for general operation on 
mains power in both K3 and KX3.

BUT -- if you're going backpacking, you'll reduce battery drain a bit 
and increase audio headroom by setting the four lowest frequency bands 
for maximum cut. This does the same thing on RX that it does on TX -- it 
gets rid of low frequency components of voice that make no contribution 
to intelligibility but burn power.

73, Jim K9YC

From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Sun Jan 24 14:43:24 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:43:24 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for
 building a K1
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A5295C.2080103@mediacombb.net>

I have the Hakko 936D which isn't made anymore. It's been replaced by 
the FX-888.
I second Don's recommendation for the 1/16" chisel tip.
I built my loaded K2/100, KAT-100, 2T-gen, N-Gen, and XG2 with the 936 
using the 1/16" and 1/8" chisel tips.

On 1/23/2016 9:11 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote:
> Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
> recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
> mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
>


-- 
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441


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From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 14:55:51 2016
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:55:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RXEQ for KX3
In-Reply-To: <56A528AA.5070009@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <56A528AA.5070009@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <56A52C47.4060702@wi.rr.com>

Hi Jim,

I've always wondered why, for CW, with the K3 you would not want to set 
the RX EQ to peak at the CW PITCH setting?



On 1/24/2016 1:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> I generally set RXEQ flat (no boost or cut) for general operation on 
> mains power in both K3 and KX3.
>
> BUT -- if you're going backpacking, you'll reduce battery drain a bit 
> and increase audio headroom by setting the four lowest frequency bands 
> for maximum cut. This does the same thing on RX that it does on TX -- 
> it gets rid of low frequency components of voice that make no 
> contribution to intelligibility but burn power.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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>
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>
> ************************************************

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Jan 24 14:57:26 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:57:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR0201MB08088D7EB8B506922D9E8AE0AFC60@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
	<BY2PR0201MB08088D7EB8B506922D9E8AE0AFC60@BY2PR0201MB0808.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1453665446.6887.1.camel@nostromo>

I sure hope Elecraft follows suit with the in the P3 as well then!!!
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 17:33 +0000, Cady, Fred wrote:
> That's right, Dave.  I'll bet a nickle that a P3 firmware update will allow that in the future because you can do that with the PX3.
> Cheers,
> Fred KE7X
> 
> For  all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:14 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
> 
> Hello group mind,
> 
> I have a P3 control question for you all...
> 
> It appears to me, that the P3 does not accept macros for itself, via the
> trigger launch process which fires off macros to the K3.
> 
> Is this assumption on my part correct?
> 
> If so, is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
> the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?
> 
> In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
> using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jan 24 15:05:13 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:05:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RXEQ for KX3
In-Reply-To: <56A52C47.4060702@wi.rr.com>
References: <56A528AA.5070009@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A52C47.4060702@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <56A52E79.6040309@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,1/24/2016 11:55 AM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> I've always wondered why, for CW, with the K3 you would not want to 
> set the RX EQ to peak at the CW PITCH setting?

Greater bandwidth can help you be aware of QRM or desired signals as 
you're tuning a band looking for a QSO.

73, Jim K9YC

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Jan 24 15:57:55 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:57:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10113i-5FD34A8AF0334F69A910657C87365AE1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-5FD34A8AF0334F69A910657C87365AE1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <1453669075.6887.5.camel@nostromo>

That is exactly what I am attempting to do here, Hence my question as to
why I am unable to get the P3 to take a macro via the USB port...  I
want it on the Genovation keypad, not the P3 case.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 10:21 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
> With this facility, I would consider using a micro controller to implement two functions:
> 
>   P3 for split mode: Read VFOs A and B. Set center and span so A
>   and B VFOs are on opposite sides of the display. To use, tune
>   in the DX on A and put B just above the pileup. Press the
>   button.
> 
>   P3 for band scanning: Band edge aware setup for fixed spans,
>   e.g. 50KHz, 100KHz 200KHz. Read VFO A. Set span to the fixed
>   span. Set the center so the VFO is near the center of the
>   display and the lower edge is a multiple of half the span above
>   the bottom edge of the band.
>   
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> On 1/24/16 at 9:14 AM, dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) wrote:
> 
> > ... is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
> > the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?
> > 
> > In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
> > using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Frantz        |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle
> (408)356-8506      |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave
> www.pwpconsult.com |from.   - Andrew Tanenbaum    | Los Gatos, CA 95032
> 
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From reuben.popp at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 16:04:52 2016
From: reuben.popp at gmail.com (Reuben Popp)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 15:04:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for
	building a K1
Message-ID: <CAB-aZK9+cscOuYDEifFWmEQcBovQycG6kTSNgTO+7KOna4BUWg@mail.gmail.com>

I built my K2 with an old Weller TC-202 I have here; it's my "go to" iron
for most of my projects. That iron was "gifted" to me after serving hard
time at the local community college.  It's not super pretty, but it still
works and well at that.  You would be hard pressed to find a better deal
IMO.  One can generally pick them up on eBay for ~45 or more in working
condition.  Great iron, and as with most things Weller, one can still
always find parts out there.

HTH
Reuben

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Jan 24 16:22:42 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:22:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request for P3
Message-ID: <1453670562.6887.18.camel@nostromo>

Hello Elecraft,

Would it be possible for Elecraft to add the following feature to the
P3:

Allow P3 macros to be stored and triggered via the USB keyboard port on
the rear of the P3, as is currently being implemented now for the K3
macros.

In essence, I want the P3 to let me fire a P3 macro trigger, (in
addition to a K3 macro triggers), in the same way I now fire K3 macros--
using the USB port on the rear of the P3.

Thanks!

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info




From chief at thechief.com  Sun Jan 24 16:47:48 2016
From: chief at thechief.com (Dudley Chapman)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:47:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Pricing a K2.
Message-ID: <1453672068.232417948@apps.rackspace.com>


Forgive me if this is not appropriate for this forum.   I have a K2 that I bought and built quite a while ago.  The serial number is 2522.  I used a few times but then had to put a lot of time into a company I started about that time.  It looks brand new inside and out.

I recently bought all the mods to bring it up to date, but decided that my interests are more in the line 
of SDR, so I did not install any of them yet.   The details are:

K2 serial number 2522
Built in autotuner.
No SSB module.
All the mods from Elecraft, not installed.

I was wondering what would be a fair asking price and where I should post it?  Thanks in advance.

Dudley Chapman, WA1X
 

From brendon at whateley.com  Sun Jan 24 17:17:15 2016
From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:17:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation
 forbuilding a K1
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References: <201601241706.u0OH6N7v003870@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
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Hi Edward,

Do you do much SMD work? If so, what do you use for that? I'm thinking of
getting a hot air rework station to make life easier with SMD, which seems
to be the future.

- Brendon KK6AYI

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:

> I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe) solder station which is
> essential for good soldering.  It does cost double the other guys but the
> "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is dropped to 450F when solder iron
> is parked in its holder.  It returns to 670F (temp fully adjustable) a few
> seconds after I take the iron out of the holder.  This feature really
> extends life of the tips.  Having a professional station really makes my
> little business of building kits much better/easier.
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>     dubususa at gmail.com
>
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From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 17:31:39 2016
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:31:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Easily Swap From Voice to Data
Message-ID: <F54078F4-6312-44C9-9583-9A8411C525A2@gmail.com>

Is there some kind of switch or other device available to easily swap between voice and data on the KX3?

My GoogleFu skills are apparently not very good. I get all kinds of links on data or voice but I cannot seem to find exactly what I?m looking for.

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB


From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Sun Jan 24 17:50:21 2016
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:50:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RXEQ for KX3
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OK..thanks Jim.  I thought that would be your answer.



On 1/24/2016 2:05 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sun,1/24/2016 11:55 AM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>> I've always wondered why, for CW, with the K3 you would not want to 
>> set the RX EQ to peak at the CW PITCH setting?
>
> Greater bandwidth can help you be aware of QRM or desired signals as 
> you're tuning a band looking for a QSO.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jan 24 17:53:50 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 22:53:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Easily Swap From Voice to Data
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Hi Joe,

I had the same requirement, as I frequently switch between SSB and WSJT modes with my KX3. 

It is unfortunate that the KX3 has no separate Data audio input port and plugging unplugging the Microphone every time is very tedious.

So, I had to build my own data/ mic switch box, which gives me a choice of either a desk or fist microphone, a headset microphone with foot switch PTT, or data from sound interface. It also means that when my "data" switch is in the "mic" position the computer has no way of enabling the PTT by mistake when the computer is starting up and it "ackles" the com ports. 

It was but an afternoon's work to make this simple box with a couple of switches, and some jack sockets.  

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 24 Jan 2016, at 22:31, Joel Black <joel.b.black at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there some kind of switch or other device available to easily swap between voice and data on the KX3?
> 
> My GoogleFu skills are apparently not very good. I get all kinds of links on data or voice but I cannot seem to find exactly what I?m looking for.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB
> 
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jan 24 18:11:52 2016
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:11:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation
	forbuilding a K1
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I got one of these hot air rework stations with a digital temperature controlled iron on eBay in the UK. Takes regular Hakko soldering iron tips.  It is model 862D+ and is well made, and excellent value for money.  I already had another analog temperature controlled iron but prefer this one now.  I imagine there must be equivalents available over there designed for USA voltages.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soldering-Iron-Desoldering-Unsoldering-Station-Hot-Air-Rework-Gun-Display-/181456682143

I also have a very old Weller temperature controlled iron, but as it uses the magnastat type of tips it isn't ESD safe as the tip doesn't have a solid earth connection. Saying that I have built things like 10 GHz GaAsFET preamps etc with this old iron (when I didn't know any better) with no damage.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 24 Jan 2016, at 22:17, Brendon Whateley <brendon at whateley.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Edward,
> 
> Do you do much SMD work? If so, what do you use for that? I'm thinking of
> getting a hot air rework station to make life easier with SMD, which seems
> to be the future.
> 
> - Brendon KK6AYI
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe) solder station which is
>> essential for good soldering.  It does cost double the other guys but the
>> "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is dropped to 450F when solder iron
>> is parked in its holder.  It returns to 670F (temp fully adjustable) a few
>> seconds after I take the iron out of the holder.  This feature really
>> extends life of the tips.  Having a professional station really makes my
>> little business of building kits much better/easier.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
>> Dubus Mag business:
>>    dubususa at gmail.com
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sun Jan 24 18:29:23 2016
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:29:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
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References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net> <56A2A971.2070905@sonic.net>
	<56A42211.6020208@embarqmail.com> <56A428D3.80706@blomand.net>
	<CAKn+a3vixEK4JwbeggzahF6=5C5AnWnnKg9AssxN_gxzcYG2Vw@mail.gmail.com>
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Seems to massive overkill if you're only casually needing ESD once in a while. If you're going to go all the way then you need a temp/humidity controlled clean room with full ESD. For 99% of us a matt/strap setup and basic precaution is more than sufficient. It all comes down to risk management. 
Anyway,  to each their own. 

On January 23, 2016 8:50:16 PM EST, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>I agree with the previous responses. ESD material does wear out,
>especially in my dry climate. It has to be replaced once in a while.
>In commercial operations is is tested on a schedule and discarded if
>it does not pass. It has to be conductive enough to keep parts from
>damage and resistive enough to not allow a shock.
>
>I would like to offer another option.
>
>Home Depot will sell you workbench legs, I bought these but they have
>several sizes. They were shipped free
>
>http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-33-in-Adjustable-Height-Workbench-Legs-ABL30/204417821;jsessionid=E3520EC0F5BF7CC72323A1EF2F5C2DE0
>http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-5-in-x-72-in-Work-Bench-Stringer-ST72/204417825
>
>I then laminated 1/8 masonite on a solid core door, routed the edges
>and put oak edge banding on just for grins to make the bench tops. I
>also but blocks under the legs to make it taller for a stand up bench.
>
>Take a look at my qrz.com page for pictures.
>
>It saved a bunch of money over a standard lab type workbench and I had
>fun making it. A standard countertop or similar would go on the legs
>easily, they just screw onto the bottom. The legs are very sturdy. I
>just put ESD mat on the work surface area. The edge banding was not
>the best idea, it tends to chip easily. I connected my ground system
>to the metal legs, maybe it helps as a counterpoise, maybe it makes no
>difference.
>
>73,
>
>Mark
>W7MLG
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>wrote:
>> Places such as LOWE'S and HOME DEPOT carry stock counter tops.
>Usually in 4
>> ft, 6 ft, 8 ft and 10 ft lengths of several different colors. 
>Standard
>> depth including the back splash is about 25".    I have used one for
>years.
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From crustacean at brig-elec.com  Sun Jan 24 18:56:38 2016
From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
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I would think that just a simple blue ESD mat, and a wrist strap, on
your favorite workbench is more than sufficient for any home based hobby
operation.  If you really wanted to be thorough about it a warm mist
humidifier going in the room your workbench is in would be a helpful and
inexpensive addition.  Just be sure your blue mat is solidly connected
to ground...


On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 18:29 -0500, Jerry Moore wrote:

> Seems to massive overkill if you're only casually needing ESD once in a while. If you're going to go all the way then you need a temp/humidity controlled clean room with full ESD. For 99% of us a matt/strap setup and basic precaution is more than sufficient. It all comes down to risk management. 
> Anyway,  to each their own. 
> 
> On January 23, 2016 8:50:16 PM EST, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >I agree with the previous responses. ESD material does wear out,
> >especially in my dry climate. It has to be replaced once in a while.
> >In commercial operations is is tested on a schedule and discarded if
> >it does not pass. It has to be conductive enough to keep parts from
> >damage and resistive enough to not allow a shock.
> >
> >I would like to offer another option.
> >
> >Home Depot will sell you workbench legs, I bought these but they have
> >several sizes. They were shipped free
> >
> >http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-33-in-Adjustable-Height-Workbench-Legs-ABL30/204417821;jsessionid=E3520EC0F5BF7CC72323A1EF2F5C2DE0
> >http://www.homedepot.com/p/Edsal-5-in-x-72-in-Work-Bench-Stringer-ST72/204417825
> >
> >I then laminated 1/8 masonite on a solid core door, routed the edges
> >and put oak edge banding on just for grins to make the bench tops. I
> >also but blocks under the legs to make it taller for a stand up bench.
> >
> >Take a look at my qrz.com page for pictures.
> >
> >It saved a bunch of money over a standard lab type workbench and I had
> >fun making it. A standard countertop or similar would go on the legs
> >easily, they just screw onto the bottom. The legs are very sturdy. I
> >just put ESD mat on the work surface area. The edge banding was not
> >the best idea, it tends to chip easily. I connected my ground system
> >to the metal legs, maybe it helps as a counterpoise, maybe it makes no
> >difference.
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Mark
> >W7MLG
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> >wrote:
> >> Places such as LOWE'S and HOME DEPOT carry stock counter tops.
> >Usually in 4
> >> ft, 6 ft, 8 ft and 10 ft lengths of several different colors. 
> >Standard
> >> depth including the back splash is about 25".    I have used one for
> >years.
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Jan 24 19:18:45 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 19:18:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Easily Swap From Voice to Data
In-Reply-To: <F54078F4-6312-44C9-9583-9A8411C525A2@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <56A569E5.5090807@subich.com>


Check with MFJ - at one time they had a box that might work (with
the appropriate cable adapters).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/24/2016 5:31 PM, Joel Black wrote:
> Is there some kind of switch or other device available to easily swap between voice and data on the KX3?
>
> My GoogleFu skills are apparently not very good. I get all kinds of links on data or voice but I cannot seem to find exactly what I?m looking for.
>
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB
>
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 19:57:15 2016
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Stephen Shearer)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 19:57:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for
 building a K1
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I use a WELLER SOLDERING STATION -- MODEL WTCPN 60 watt
BUT my REAL recommendation is to get Kester 62, 36, 2 Sn, Pb, Ag solder. 
  It can be had in 1# AND smaller packs.  It DOES a great job.  The 2% 
silver is what makes it work super...

73, Steve WB3LGC

On 24-Jan-16 4:04 PM, Reuben Popp wrote:
> I built my K2 with an old Weller TC-202 I have here; it's my "go to" iron
> for most of my projects. That iron was "gifted" to me after serving hard
> time at the local community college.  It's not super pretty, but it still
> works and well at that.  You would be hard pressed to find a better deal
> IMO.  One can generally pick them up on eBay for ~45 or more in working
> condition.  Great iron, and as with most things Weller, one can still
> always find parts out there.
>
> HTH
> Reuben
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From pincon at erols.com  Sun Jan 24 20:14:47 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation
	forbuilding a K1
In-Reply-To: <CAAR4bsiv2LqzKezaL5RJqSfMDhe5MUuAWdzJSuMpqFZiXAtyHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201601241706.u0OH6N7v003870@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<CAAR4bsiv2LqzKezaL5RJqSfMDhe5MUuAWdzJSuMpqFZiXAtyHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008701d1570d$cb6dd820$62498860$@erols.com>

I tend to prefer my American Beauty model 3138 for
light work.

73, Charlie k3ICH

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Brendon Whateley
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:17 PM
To: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] : Soldering station
recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1

Hi Edward,

Do you do much SMD work? If so, what do you use
for that? I'm thinking of getting a hot air rework
station to make life easier with SMD, which seems
to be the future.

- Brendon KK6AYI

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Edward R Cole
<kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:

> I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe)
solder station which is 
> essential for good soldering.  It does cost
double the other guys but 
> the "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is
dropped to 450F when 
> solder iron is parked in its holder.  It returns
to 670F (temp fully 
> adjustable) a few seconds after I take the iron
out of the holder.  
> This feature really extends life of the tips.
Having a professional 
> station really makes my little business of
building kits much better/easier.
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>     dubususa at gmail.com
>
>
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From ja-pierce at verizon.net  Sun Jan 24 21:56:45 2016
From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (johnpierce)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 21:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
Message-ID: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>

I have several dimmers around my house that generate 20db of noise on the HF
bands.  I have seen some recommendations for ferrite beads that can be used
for filtering.  However, I cannot find that info.  Some were snap on beads.
I am assuming that locating them in the power feed lines to the dimmer box
would help in reducing the RFI.  What do you recommend?

 

John

AD2F 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jan 24 22:36:56 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 19:36:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <56A59858.50302@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,1/24/2016 6:56 PM, johnpierce wrote:
> Some were snap on beads.
> I am assuming that locating them in the power feed lines to the dimmer box
> would help in reducing the RFI.  What do you recommend?

Replace the noisy dimmers with quiet ones. Lutron makes dimmers that are 
RF quiet. Available at the big box stores.

Snap-on beads are NOT effective on the HF bands.

73, Jim K(YC

From aa4lr at arrl.net  Sun Jan 24 23:37:38 2016
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Soldering station recommendation in
	preparation for building a K1
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I built my K2/100 and all of it?s accessories with nothing more sophisticated than a Weller WE25. Not exactly a ?soldering station.?


> On Jan 24, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the Hakko 936D which isn't made anymore. It's been replaced by the FX-888.
> I second Don's recommendation for the 1/16" chisel tip.
> I built my loaded K2/100, KAT-100, 2T-gen, N-Gen, and XG2 with the 936 using the 1/16" and 1/8" chisel tips.
> 
> On 1/23/2016 9:11 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote:
>> Hi.  I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a
>> recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station
>> mentioned in the K1 assembly guide.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
> 
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 00:30:39 2016
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Low RF output only on 30 meters
Message-ID: <56A5B2FF.2040305@gmail.com>

Hello to the list!

I fired up my K3 tonight for the first time in months to try to work K5P 
and the VP8 expeditions. Thing seemed to be working fine until I tried 
working the VP8 on 30 meters. I noticed while sending that I didn't have 
much output on 30 meters. Investigating, I get output until I hit the 
threshold when the KPA100 kicks in. Full output until I got past 12 
watts and them little or no output past that point. I seem to be getting 
full output on the other bands. Any guesses? It's vexing...

73,
Scott N9AA

From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 01:15:15 2016
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 01:15:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Low RF output only on 30 meters
In-Reply-To: <56A5B2FF.2040305@gmail.com>
References: <56A5B2FF.2040305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFSjCmX-kiQxm5u-wnTxpd1-odNihq82Wib9iiHvL6TREqs+8w@mail.gmail.com>

That should read KPA3, not KPA100.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello to the list!
>
> I fired up my K3 tonight for the first time in months to try to work K5P
> and the VP8 expeditions. Thing seemed to be working fine until I tried
> working the VP8 on 30 meters. I noticed while sending that I didn't have
> much output on 30 meters. Investigating, I get output until I hit the
> threshold when the KPA100 kicks in. Full output until I got past 12 watts
> and them little or no output past that point. I seem to be getting full
> output on the other bands. Any guesses? It's vexing...
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
>

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 07:40:00 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 07:40:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Low RF output only on 30 meters
In-Reply-To: <56A5B2FF.2040305@gmail.com>
References: <56A5B2FF.2040305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A617A0.8050607@embarqmail.com>

Scott,

Try running TX Gain Calibration with K3 Utility.  If that fails, try 
running it on 30 meters manually (see the manual for the procedure).
If it still fails contact Elecraft K3support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 12:30 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> Hello to the list!
>
> I fired up my K3 tonight for the first time in months to try to work 
> K5P and the VP8 expeditions. Thing seemed to be working fine until I 
> tried working the VP8 on 30 meters. I noticed while sending that I 
> didn't have much output on 30 meters. Investigating, I get output 
> until I hit the threshold when the KPA100 kicks in. Full output until 
> I got past 12 watts and them little or no output past that point. I 
> seem to be getting full output on the other bands. Any guesses? It's 
> vexing...


From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Jan 25 07:44:31 2016
From: indians at xsmail.com (OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 05:44:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for
 building a K1
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbHPc+ah1-1BNF2ymRwAzyh93dty7HcL_CcwYM35a-Ge6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1453725871160-7613065.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Mark,

any kind of Weller is good with proper tip mounted. 
Do not use extremelly tiny tip as it could make warming through issues.
Most important is grounding your Weller properly as same as using ESD mat
grounded.

Good luck in building your K1 and see you on the air soon Mark,

73 - Petr, OK1RP




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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Jan 25 07:58:12 2016
From: indians at xsmail.com (OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 05:58:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Anti Static Bench
In-Reply-To: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>
References: <56A27FC2.3000604@rthorne.net>
Message-ID: <1453726692906-7613066.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Rich,

regarding the ESD mat functionality my 2c info:
  
1. The top layer must be dissipative 
2. The bottom layer must be conductive 
3. Its nice when its oil, grease and solvent resistant, high temp resistant,
acid 
proof and knife cut proof material. 
4. Mat must be connected to ground thru 1.5M resistor, NOT ditectly in order
to thru body current limitation if an accident! 
5. Wristband is connected to mat in normal cases also thru 1.5M resistor. 

More info you can find here in article: 
http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,84533.msg616867.html#msg616867

There is complete set with high resistant profi grade mat 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/10661
  
We still have them in radioclub?s stock available as we bought from supplier
big package in order to get good price. So don?t hesitate to drop me an
email if you want them. 
  
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
STMicroelectronics 
Laboratory test equipment, 
Design and application, Prague, CR 
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan 25 09:38:05 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 06:38:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>

Hi,
I have a series of three articles on RFI, located at:

http://nk7z.net/category/info/mitigation-of-rf-interference/i-have-rfi-series/

the second article down, titled "I have RFI, now what: House Cleaning"
has the some of the correct part numbers for the Fair-Rite corporation
snap on ferrites.

Best is to replace the dimmers though...

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On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 21:56 -0500, johnpierce wrote:
> I have several dimmers around my house that generate 20db of noise on the HF
> bands.  I have seen some recommendations for ferrite beads that can be used
> for filtering.  However, I cannot find that info.  Some were snap on beads.
> I am assuming that locating them in the power feed lines to the dimmer box
> would help in reducing the RFI.  What do you recommend?
> 
>  
> 
> John
> 
> AD2F 
> 
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From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 25 10:44:05 2016
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:44:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Faint clicking sound in headphones
Message-ID: <COL131-W675F4E02C4534D9CAA32D591C70@phx.gbl>

Just today I notice a  faint clicking noise when using my headphones and only when the AF is turned up not when all the way down, here is my setup.....Elecraft k3, Begali key into a Winkeyer USB and the menu key weight setting in the K3 is 1.10
Here is what I have tried to fix the issue with no success:
1. Tried different headphones.
2. Snap on chokes on headphone cord. 
3. Removed Winkeyer and plugged key into rear of K3.
4. Tried a different key plugged it into Winkeyer and just to rear of K3.
5. Tried on Dummy load and clicking is gone. 
6. Check all connections to make sure they are tight. 
7. Tried my KX3 using same key and antenna and no clicks. 
8. The clicking is happening on all bands. 
I believe that is all I tried and I am at a loss as to what it could be, I'm hopping it's something simple that I have overlooked. 
Thanks in advance for your help
Mike 
VE3WDM


	
		
			
		
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From paulnf8j at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 11:10:03 2016
From: paulnf8j at gmail.com (Paul VanOveren)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
Message-ID: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>

I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB receiver
ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY on
the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or Unlink.
Is there some menu setting I am missing?



Paul, NF8J

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 11:14:24 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:14:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
In-Reply-To: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>
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CONFIG: VFO LNK

73, Barry N1EU

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Paul VanOveren <paulnf8j at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB receiver
> ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY on
> the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or Unlink.
> Is there some menu setting I am missing?
>
>
>
> Paul, NF8J
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jan 25 11:44:19 2016
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Faint clicking sound in headphones
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W675F4E02C4534D9CAA32D591C70@phx.gbl>
References: <COL131-W675F4E02C4534D9CAA32D591C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D452C46625704CA18ED21D6AC0A50A92@tomsPC>

Hi Mike,
I know that the same thing can happen on older KX3's when they are connected 
to a serial port running rig control softwarte.  On the KX3, Elecraft can 
supply a small bypass cap to rectify the problem.  I'm, not sure if that's 
the issue here but try the same and make sure the serial port cable is not 
connected to the K3.

If it is the issue, call up Elecraft.  They will probably suggest the same 
thing as on the KX3.
73 Tom
va2fsq.com


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Weir
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 10:44 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Faint clicking sound in headphones

Just today I notice a  faint clicking noise when using my headphones and 
only when the AF is turned up not when all the way down, here is my 
setup.....Elecraft k3, Begali key into a Winkeyer USB and the menu key 
weight setting in the K3 is 1.10
Here is what I have tried to fix the issue with no success:
1. Tried different headphones.
2. Snap on chokes on headphone cord.
3. Removed Winkeyer and plugged key into rear of K3.
4. Tried a different key plugged it into Winkeyer and just to rear of K3.
5. Tried on Dummy load and clicking is gone.
6. Check all connections to make sure they are tight.
7. Tried my KX3 using same key and antenna and no clicks.
8. The clicking is happening on all bands.
I believe that is all I tried and I am at a loss as to what it could be, I'm 
hopping it's something simple that I have overlooked.
Thanks in advance for your help
Mike
VE3WDM






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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 11:46:42 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
In-Reply-To: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A65172.2080404@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

Did you recently update the firmware?  It is now a CONFIG menu item.
That was changed a few firmware releases back.  Check the release notes 
for several releases back.

The problem was that many users were getting into VFO Link when they 
wanted to go into Diversity and created additional support activity both 
on the reflector and at Elecraft customer support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 11:10 AM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
> I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB receiver
> ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY on
> the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or Unlink.
> Is there some menu setting I am missing?
>
>
>
> Paul, NF8J
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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 11:52:46 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:52:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
Message-ID: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>

I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no problem
decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for COM4 and
38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?  

 

73, Ian N8IK 

s/n 10111

 


From gallsup at whoi.edu  Mon Jan 25 11:58:58 2016
From: gallsup at whoi.edu (geoff allsup)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:58:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
References: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <56A65452.5050609@whoi.edu>

set PTT METHOD for CAT should do it

geoff - W1OH

On 1/25/16 11:52, Ian wrote:
> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no problem
> decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for COM4 and
> 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>
>   
>
> 73, Ian N8IK
>
> s/n 10111
>
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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 12:16:40 2016
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 12:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>

In a past job, I designed low and medium power phase cut dimmers.  Ferrite
clamps/beads will be almost useless.  Well designed filters will have
rather large series inductors (1 to 10 mH) and high voltage caps designed
to filter the high harmonic content caused by the Triac switching.  Cheap
ones barely pass the FCC conducted noise requirements.  More expensive ones
tend to have more robust filtering.

LED Dimmers are a horse of a different color.

I agree it would be easier to purchase a decent (not cheap) dimmer than try
to retrofit one.  Drop some serious bucks on a Lutron model and try it.
Take it back if it doesn't work.

73, Bob, WB4SON

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:38 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a series of three articles on RFI, located at:
>
>
> http://nk7z.net/category/info/mitigation-of-rf-interference/i-have-rfi-series/
>
> the second article down, titled "I have RFI, now what: House Cleaning"
> has the some of the correct part numbers for the Fair-Rite corporation
> snap on ferrites.
>
> Best is to replace the dimmers though...
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
>
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 21:56 -0500, johnpierce wrote:
> > I have several dimmers around my house that generate 20db of noise on
> the HF
> > bands.  I have seen some recommendations for ferrite beads that can be
> used
> > for filtering.  However, I cannot find that info.  Some were snap on
> beads.
> > I am assuming that locating them in the power feed lines to the dimmer
> box
> > would help in reducing the RFI.  What do you recommend?
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > AD2F
> >
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Jan 25 12:29:42 2016
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:29:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
References: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <1453742982416-7613076.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi David, 

Fred Cady is correct, the next version of P3 firmware will allow P3/SVGA USB
keyboard macros to include P3 commands.   It will also allow the first 8
P3/SVGA keyboard macros to be mapped to front panel function keys.

Kind regards, 

Paul




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From alaparos at taconic.net  Mon Jan 25 13:03:48 2016
From: alaparos at taconic.net (Gary Ferdinand)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:03:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV Question
Message-ID: <AA1D4E89-4B44-4661-96DA-5DA558DB8B9F@taconic.net>

I have managed to destroy all of the TMP jacks on the K144XV inside the K3.  The jacks? center conductor is totally smashed.  Questions:

1.  Can I return the K3 settings back to a ?no K144XV? state to disable totally the XV?  (That is, all jacks/TMP plugs not energized)?

2.  Has anyone removed damaged TMP jacks and replaced them?  Can this be done by the owner, or should the entire XV be shipped to Elecraft?

I am not a fan of TMPs!   Thanks in advance.

Gary W2CS




From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jan 25 13:07:49 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:07:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
References: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <56A66475.7090409@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/25/2016 8:52 AM, Ian wrote:
> Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?

I use VOX for all digital modes, including RTTY, JT65, JT9, FSK441, 
ISCAT. Works great, even with an amp, because most rigs, including K3 
have an internal delay after keying an amp and before TX begins. That 
delay is adjustable for slower amps. The only time this isn't good 
enough is if you're using something like a big, very slow, antenna relay 
at the top of a tower for VHF/UHF.

My amps are a KPA500 and 35 year old Ten Tec Titan (legal limit with 
fast relays).

73, Jim K9YC

From jww at dslextreme.com  Mon Jan 25 13:44:11 2016
From: jww at dslextreme.com (John W Webster)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:44:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Report - 24 January 2016
Message-ID: <F8C4538C-0419-4F47-AC9E-BE480AE684CC@dslextreme.com>

We enjoyed one of the largest net turnouts in recent years
with more than 50 check-ins.  

Eric, WB9JNZ was net control (and supplied the check-in 
list below) with help from several relay stations.  Elecraft 
users (and some others) checked in from across the 
continental US, Canada, Alaska, Hawaii and New Zealand.

Please consider joining the net on Sundays at 18:00z (UTC)
on the 20m band (14.303.5). 

Elecraft SSB Net 1-24-2016

W0LRF Larry CO K3S 10531

AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299

K4KAY Earl NC K3S 10326

WO1I Dick MA K3 911

KK5LD Dan TX K3 986

K4GCJ Gary NC K3 1597

K6UDA Bob CA K3S 10372

KK6DA David CA K3S 10125

N1TTT Harry ME K3 3188

N1EJH ED MA FT-5000MP

VE3XM BOB ONT K3 409

KI6EAB John CA KENWOOD 570

NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356

N2LRB Jose NY KX3 7791

W8OV Dave TX K3 3139

W1GO Joe NY K3S 10389

W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538

N5TTF Charley TX K3 4016

NS7P Phil OR K3 1826

ZL1PWD Peter New Zealand K3 139

K6WDE/KH6 Dave HI K3 4599

W4DML Doug TN K3 6433

N0MPH Mike IA K3S 10514

VE6RMB Randy ALB K3 8816

KF5MIA Bruce MI K2 3575

W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618

N4PFM Paul VA K3 1673

N9SRA Steve IL K3S 10563

KF7GC Tom AZ K2 5818

K6SBA David CA K3 565

N6LEW Lou CA K3 3805 QRP

N7WS Wes AZ K3S 10020

AA8Y Jim MT K3S 10445

KC5DYL Larry LA Yaesu 857

W2OSR BOB NY K3 8365

K7ADD Dan WA K3 8976

W0AO Rob KS KX3 3916

AD2F John NJ K3S 10220

K7SJ Roger Nova Scotia K3 75

K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497

KI4TXP Jay FL K3 3807

KC7RUN Lan OK TS 990

KG6WVY Todd NC IC706

W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329

N0NB Nate KS K3 7504

WB4OOA Ron NC K3 7504

KJ5CI Bill CO KX3 3200

KL7UW Ed AK K3 4340

WA5AFV Bill TX ?

AA0GL Marshall WY KX3 4162

N6JW John CA K3 936

WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3 4017



From glasserdb at outlook.com  Mon Jan 25 14:50:21 2016
From: glasserdb at outlook.com (David Glasser)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:50:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Report - 24 January 2016
In-Reply-To: <F8C4538C-0419-4F47-AC9E-BE480AE684CC@dslextreme.com>
References: <F8C4538C-0419-4F47-AC9E-BE480AE684CC@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <DM3PR14MB0831FEFF4C36A6CECEE9BD53A7C70@DM3PR14MB0831.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

One question!
Is there anyone who was on the net from the Orlando area in Florida?
73's
David

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John W
Webster
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:44 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Report - 24 January 2016

We enjoyed one of the largest net turnouts in recent years with more than 50
check-ins.  

Eric, WB9JNZ was net control (and supplied the check-in list below) with
help from several relay stations.  Elecraft users (and some others) checked
in from across the continental US, Canada, Alaska, Hawaii and New Zealand.

Please consider joining the net on Sundays at 18:00z (UTC) on the 20m band
(14.303.5). 

Elecraft SSB Net 1-24-2016

W0LRF Larry CO K3S 10531

AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299

K4KAY Earl NC K3S 10326

WO1I Dick MA K3 911

KK5LD Dan TX K3 986

K4GCJ Gary NC K3 1597

K6UDA Bob CA K3S 10372

KK6DA David CA K3S 10125

N1TTT Harry ME K3 3188

N1EJH ED MA FT-5000MP

VE3XM BOB ONT K3 409

KI6EAB John CA KENWOOD 570

NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356

N2LRB Jose NY KX3 7791

W8OV Dave TX K3 3139

W1GO Joe NY K3S 10389

W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538

N5TTF Charley TX K3 4016

NS7P Phil OR K3 1826

ZL1PWD Peter New Zealand K3 139

K6WDE/KH6 Dave HI K3 4599

W4DML Doug TN K3 6433

N0MPH Mike IA K3S 10514

VE6RMB Randy ALB K3 8816

KF5MIA Bruce MI K2 3575

W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618

N4PFM Paul VA K3 1673

N9SRA Steve IL K3S 10563

KF7GC Tom AZ K2 5818

K6SBA David CA K3 565

N6LEW Lou CA K3 3805 QRP

N7WS Wes AZ K3S 10020

AA8Y Jim MT K3S 10445

KC5DYL Larry LA Yaesu 857

W2OSR BOB NY K3 8365

K7ADD Dan WA K3 8976

W0AO Rob KS KX3 3916

AD2F John NJ K3S 10220

K7SJ Roger Nova Scotia K3 75

K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497

KI4TXP Jay FL K3 3807

KC7RUN Lan OK TS 990

KG6WVY Todd NC IC706

W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329

N0NB Nate KS K3 7504

WB4OOA Ron NC K3 7504

KJ5CI Bill CO KX3 3200

KL7UW Ed AK K3 4340

WA5AFV Bill TX ?

AA0GL Marshall WY KX3 4162

N6JW John CA K3 936

WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3 4017


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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Jan 25 14:59:18 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 12:59:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Asus Xonar U7 failure
Message-ID: <1453751958248-7613081.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

When I came down in the shack Sunday morning, my shack PC was unexpectedly
turned off. When I switched it back on, the U7 refused to enumerate with the
following detailed message:

http://ab2tc.com/u7_failure1.png

Several more disconnection and reboot attempts produced the same failure.
Taking the U7 to my laptop again produced the same failure. The cable was
not the same on the laptop so cable failure can be ruled out. I actually
tried a third cable on the laptop to no avail. One symptom I noticed is that
the blue LED on top only blinked a few time then remained off. On a normally
working unit the LED comes on quickly and stays on. From my experience with
USB at work, this type of failure means the PC sees the pullup resistor, but
is unable to retrieve the device descriptors from the device. This rules out
anything to do with configuration of the device or the PC driver. Has
anybody else had a USB failure with the U7/U5 models?

Well, accepting defeat I got out my brand new U5 which was intended for
portable summer use with my older K3 and hooked it up to the K3S. It works
fine but isn't as quiet for noise and spurs as the U7. See here for links to
screen shots of both:

http://ab2tc.com

Is there any reason the two models should be different or is this just a
random device difference? I need to know as it makes my decision whether to
buy a replacement U5 or U7. I prefer the U5 since all the connectors are on
the back which is much more convenient, but if there is any doubt that the
U5 has equivalent performance, I will stick with the U7.

AB2TC - Knut



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From bwruble at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 15:45:42 2016
From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F Wruble)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:45:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] LOTW down?
Message-ID: <982958B6-BA38-416E-9DA2-D50E35C242F4@gmail.com>

I cannot get the site to come up.  Are others seeing the same?

73 de Brian W3BW

Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. 
Sent from my iPad Air 2

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 15:45:51 2016
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 01:45:51 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
References: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A65172.2080404@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9E0435DC7F14726BDDDDF60F8D5748B@cdcmobile>

I have found this change pretty inconvenient because when getting out of 
diversity mode I loose LINK state and has to go to the menu to change it 
again. Besides in DIVERSITY mode I now cannot swap left and right audio 
channels. Just wonder why such a limitation was implemented.

73, Igor UA9CDC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: "Paul VanOveren" <paulnf8j at gmail.com>; "elecraft reflector" 
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s


> Paul,
>
> Did you recently update the firmware?  It is now a CONFIG menu item.
> That was changed a few firmware releases back.  Check the release notes 
> for several releases back.
>
> The problem was that many users were getting into VFO Link when they 
> wanted to go into Diversity and created additional support activity both 
> on the reflector and at Elecraft customer support.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/25/2016 11:10 AM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>> I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB receiver
>> ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY 
>> on
>> the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or Unlink.
>> Is there some menu setting I am missing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul, NF8J
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon Jan 25 15:47:17 2016
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:47:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [PVRC] LOTW down?
In-Reply-To: <982958B6-BA38-416E-9DA2-D50E35C242F4@gmail.com>
References: <982958B6-BA38-416E-9DA2-D50E35C242F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9x5Kgz1Yr4wXQU3v_f=rJFC=JagpXp-araUwSjx3wdhYg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lotw.arrl.org

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Brian F Wruble <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:

> I cannot get the site to come up.  Are others seeing the same?
>
> 73 de Brian W3BW
>
> Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
> Sent from my iPad Air 2
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From jerry at molaver.org  Mon Jan 25 16:05:44 2016
From: jerry at molaver.org (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:05:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers
Message-ID: <BLUPR02MB113854CDD370B4FD679893BBB6C70@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>




GA Jim,

I am in search of replacing over 100 dimmers in our house due to an excavating incident where the neutral was pulled out. I have had direct contact with Lutron's tech service where I expressed my concern for both rfi caused by the dimmers and interference to the dimmers caused by my station.

Fwiw here is the reply (the images didn't copy but were just sine wave representations of operation)  - I went with one of their recommendations

73

Jerry, k1tgx

Good afternoon Jerry,

When dimming you can experience interference with sensitive audio equipment depending upon the type of dimmer and type of bulb you are controlling. The way a dimmer dims is by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second. Based upon the on time of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer light. Less on time = dimmer light because the lights are not running as long each cycle.

Any forward phase dimming control, could result in a feedback into audio equipment due to the way that dimming signal works. The way a dimmer dims is by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second. Based upon the on time of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer light. Less on time = dimmer light because the lights are not running as long each cycle.

During this rapid cycling with a forward phase control, there is a spike present before the dimmer turns on each time; we call this repetitive peak (see illustration #1). When controlling incandescent or halogen bulbs you normally will never experience misbehaviors because these bulbs are resistive in nature and act like a filter for the line, suppressing the repetitive peak. On the other hand, LEDs are capacitive and can greatly increase this repetitive peak, resulting in misbehaviors, buzzing or interference. However, since reverse phase or ELV controls dimming signals are completely opposite than forward phase signals the buzzing is greatly reduced if not completely eliminated (see illustration #2). There are two things to be aware of with ELV controls, 1) these types of controls require a neutral connection to be present at the location of installation (bundle of white wires connected together). 2) These controls are normally 2 to 3 times to cost of standard incandescent or LED dimmers.

Illustration #1



Illustration #2


You can view our LED selection tool at www.lutron.com/ledtool<http://www.lutron.com/ledtool>. This LED selection tool will allow you to generate a list of compatible LED products for all of our LED rated dimming controls. You will all be able to access a testing report for each of the LEDs listed here. The report will provide you with a list of all the dimmers we can recommend for that LED, the amount of LEDs each dimmer can control and the dimming range you will experience.

If looking for ELV solutions on our LED selection tool, select "reverse phase" from the control technology menu. Also, here is a list of ELV controls that we can recommend for use with LED products.

*             MRF2-6ELV-120
*             RRD-6NA
*             HQRD-6NA
*             PHPM-WBX-DV-WH
*             PHPM-PA-DV-WH
*             LP-RPM-4A-120
*             HW-RPM-4A-120

Please let me know if you have any questions

Sincerely,
Matt Rehrig
Lutron Support
Lutron Electronics, Inc.
www.lutron.com<http://www.lutron.com>
MR

From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 16:12:33 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:12:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <56A65452.5050609@whoi.edu>
References: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
	<56A65452.5050609@whoi.edu>
Message-ID: <000201d157b5$1c2f1600$548d4200$@verizon.net>

Tnx Geoff - looks like I'm keying the K3S via CAT but no power out.  Power
set to 50w and drawing 2.5 amps (vs 1.25 on RX) but no envelope on the P3.
73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of geoff
allsup
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

set PTT METHOD for CAT should do it

geoff - W1OH

On 1/25/16 11:52, Ian wrote:
> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no 
> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for 
> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>
>   
>
> 73, Ian N8IK
>
> s/n 10111
>
>   
>
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Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution        Woods Hole, MA, USA
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From tcrayner at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 16:18:55 2016
From: tcrayner at gmail.com (Tom Crayner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:18:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
References: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAJhNfxaR5b_Pig7XuRvnTguGY00QHT0CHqF95DA_+WoYKjQhrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ian,

Which rev level of WSJT-X are you trying to use?

I seem to recall 1.5.x had some issues with Hamlib and as a result some of
the PTT code was broke.

If you are running 1.6.0 I think the Hamlib stuff is fixed and you can use
K3/KX3 as a rig and then set PTT to CAT.

If you plan on running DX Commander at some point you can install it,
configure it to mange the radio under the config->port options of DX
Commander and then point WSJT-X to it by selecting DX Commander as the
"rig" in Settings->Radio.  Then DX COmmander does the heavy lifting and
avoids the broken Hamlib piece. This should work in 1.5.x and 1.6.

Tom (W2YF)


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no problem
> decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for COM4 and
> 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>
>
>
> 73, Ian N8IK
>
> s/n 10111
>
>
>

From cautery at montac.com  Mon Jan 25 16:18:35 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:18:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] LOTW down?
In-Reply-To: <982958B6-BA38-416E-9DA2-D50E35C242F4@gmail.com>
References: <982958B6-BA38-416E-9DA2-D50E35C242F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A6912B.9000207@montac.com>

Down for me..

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/25/2016 2:45 PM, Brian F Wruble wrote:
> I cannot get the site to come up.  Are others seeing the same?
>
> 73 de Brian W3BW
>
> Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. 
> Sent from my iPad Air 2
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From glenn.d at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan 25 16:42:42 2016
From: glenn.d at ca.rr.com (Dave Glenn)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:42:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 not working after PA upgrade
Message-ID: <02fc01d157b9$523b7690$f6b263b0$@ca.rr.com>

I recently had the 100 Watt amp added to my K3. 

I went to set it up with and use with my transverters and KRC2 menu item
shows - 

Cabling looks good going from 15 pin on the K3 to the 9 on the KRC2.

 

If I power cycle the KRC2 while the K3 is on it shows Turn On PA and is
locked up. 

 

Is there some setting I have forgotten?   

Tnx, Dave N6TEB

 

 


From Hamshack at N4ST.com  Mon Jan 25 16:50:50 2016
From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:50:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <000201d157b5$1c2f1600$548d4200$@verizon.net>
References: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>	<56A65452.5050609@whoi.edu>
	<000201d157b5$1c2f1600$548d4200$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <006c01d157ba$7a1bf080$6e53d180$@N4ST.com>

The CAT should work, but you could always set up VOX on the K3S.
When you key the K3S via CAT, do you hear the tones in the K3S monitor?

___________
73,
Jim - N4ST

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 16:13
To: 'geoff allsup' <gallsup at whoi.edu>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

Tnx Geoff - looks like I'm keying the K3S via CAT but no power out.  Power
set to 50w and drawing 2.5 amps (vs 1.25 on RX) but no envelope on the P3.
73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of geoff
allsup
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

set PTT METHOD for CAT should do it

geoff - W1OH

On 1/25/16 11:52, Ian wrote:
> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no 
> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for
> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>
>   
>
> 73, Ian N8IK
>
> s/n 10111
>
>   
>
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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 16:53:01 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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WSJT-X 1.6.0, PTT method = CAT, VOX enabled on K3S, 50w pwr but no envelope
on the P3
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Crayner
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 16:19
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

Ian,

Which rev level of WSJT-X are you trying to use?

I seem to recall 1.5.x had some issues with Hamlib and as a result some of
the PTT code was broke.

If you are running 1.6.0 I think the Hamlib stuff is fixed and you can use
K3/KX3 as a rig and then set PTT to CAT.

If you plan on running DX Commander at some point you can install it,
configure it to mange the radio under the config->port options of DX
Commander and then point WSJT-X to it by selecting DX Commander as the "rig"
in Settings->Radio.  Then DX COmmander does the heavy lifting and avoids the
broken Hamlib piece. This should work in 1.5.x and 1.6.

Tom (W2YF)


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no 
> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for 
> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>
>
>
> 73, Ian N8IK
>
> s/n 10111
>
>
>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Jan 25 17:04:19 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:04:19 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft SSB Net Report - 24 January 2016
Message-ID: <201601252204.u0PM4KIK015468@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Just a sidenote that I was amazed to the length of the net.  I 
usually wait till near end of check-ins to have less QRM when I 
try.  Almost an hour on Sunday!  I could hear Eric, WB9JNC at times 
but there was fading from the mid-West to Alaska.  N6JW relayed my 
check-in, thanks John - always strong signal during net.  CA to Tx 
seems the ideal skip zone for the Net time.  Finally getting sunrise 
by time of the net which is probably helping.

This was first time for my to use my new KXPA-100 and ran 100w thru 
Drake MN-2000 tuner to my Hygain TH3mk4 3-element yagi at 50-foot.  I 
got the amp without ATU so only took a little over an hour to 
assemble.  I was surprised to find it was set for full output with 
only 3w drive from my K3/10.  Haven't set up he KX3 with it as yet.

----------------------------
Earthquake News: 7.1 Richter quake hit 80mi SW of us at 1:30am AKST 
(10:30utc) and threw stuff off shelves (broke a couple items) and we 
lost power (ran emerg gen until 6am when I woke up).  Four homes 12mi 
south of us has gas breaks and burned down - one exploded.  Many 
businesses and schools have major cleanup of shelves being knocked 
down or items thrown on floor.  Strongest quake in Cook Inlet since 
the 1964 Alaska Earthquake (9.2).

The Kenai Peninsula sits on the edge of the Pacific Plate where it 
subducts the Continental Plate and we are on the famous "Ring of 
Fire" for volcanic activity with four active volcanos within 
100mi.  Having another non-winter with warm temps and almost no snow!

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jan 25 17:08:51 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:08:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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I'll make screen shots if needed.   Be sure you have CAT interface 
working and then the correct AUDIO CODEC selected in the application.  
The radio should be in Data mode.  When you select TUNE you should hear 
the tone in the MONITOR, radio should switch to transmit,  the PWR 
slider to the right controls the audio level. The Speaker CODEC on the 
computer should be about 50%.   This should have about 4 to 5 bars 
showing on the ALC meter.   Line gain on the radio at about #20.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/25/2016 3:53 PM, Ian wrote:
> WSJT-X 1.6.0, PTT method = CAT, VOX enabled on K3S, 50w pwr but no envelope
> on the P3
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Crayner
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 16:19
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>
> Ian,
>
> Which rev level of WSJT-X are you trying to use?
>
> I seem to recall 1.5.x had some issues with Hamlib and as a result some of
> the PTT code was broke.
>
> If you are running 1.6.0 I think the Hamlib stuff is fixed and you can use
> K3/KX3 as a rig and then set PTT to CAT.
>
> If you plan on running DX Commander at some point you can install it,
> configure it to mange the radio under the config->port options of DX
> Commander and then point WSJT-X to it by selecting DX Commander as the "rig"
> in Settings->Radio.  Then DX COmmander does the heavy lifting and avoids the
> broken Hamlib piece. This should work in 1.5.x and 1.6.
>
> Tom (W2YF)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no
>> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for
>> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>
>> s/n 10111
>>
>>
>>
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From w6jhb at me.com  Mon Jan 25 17:09:52 2016
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 14:09:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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	<000301d157ba$c374cb80$4a5e6280$@verizon.net>
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I may have missed it in previous posting(s), but is the TX light light on the K3? If it is, then your PTT is working but you may not have enough audio drive.

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> WSJT-X 1.6.0, PTT method = CAT, VOX enabled on K3S, 50w pwr but no envelope
> on the P3
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Crayner
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 16:19
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
> 
> Ian,
> 
> Which rev level of WSJT-X are you trying to use?
> 
> I seem to recall 1.5.x had some issues with Hamlib and as a result some of
> the PTT code was broke.
> 
> If you are running 1.6.0 I think the Hamlib stuff is fixed and you can use
> K3/KX3 as a rig and then set PTT to CAT.
> 
> If you plan on running DX Commander at some point you can install it,
> configure it to mange the radio under the config->port options of DX
> Commander and then point WSJT-X to it by selecting DX Commander as the "rig"
> in Settings->Radio.  Then DX COmmander does the heavy lifting and avoids the
> broken Hamlib piece. This should work in 1.5.x and 1.6.
> 
> Tom (W2YF)
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no 
>> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for 
>> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Ian N8IK
>> 
>> s/n 10111
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Jan 25 17:11:29 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:11:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Asus Xonar U7 failure
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Oops, this message was intended for the LP-PAN Yahoo forum. Lots of people
follow both but this was clearly a mistake, for which I apologize.

Knut



ab2tc wrote
> Hi,
> 
> When I came down in the shack Sunday morning, my shack PC was unexpectedly
> turned off. When I switched it back on, the U7 refused to enumerate with
> the following detailed message:
> <snip>





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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 17:11:47 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:11:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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Ian,

Do you have the coupler for the P3 Transmit Monitor P3 TXMON installed 
in your transmission line?  Is it the 'right way around?
Is the SENSOR cable fully plugged in at both ends?  You should hear a 
click when the cable is fully seated.
Do you see the envelope display with other modes?

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/25/2016 4:53 PM, Ian wrote:
> WSJT-X 1.6.0, PTT method = CAT, VOX enabled on K3S, 50w pwr but no envelope
> on the P3
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Crayner
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 16:19
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>
> Ian,
>
> Which rev level of WSJT-X are you trying to use?
>
> I seem to recall 1.5.x had some issues with Hamlib and as a result some of
> the PTT code was broke.
>
> If you are running 1.6.0 I think the Hamlib stuff is fixed and you can use
> K3/KX3 as a rig and then set PTT to CAT.
>
> If you plan on running DX Commander at some point you can install it,
> configure it to mange the radio under the config->port options of DX
> Commander and then point WSJT-X to it by selecting DX Commander as the "rig"
> in Settings->Radio.  Then DX COmmander does the heavy lifting and avoids the
> broken Hamlib piece. This should work in 1.5.x and 1.6.
>
> Tom (W2YF)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no
>> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for
>> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>
>> s/n 10111
>>
>>
>>
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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 17:24:06 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:24:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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	<56A69CF3.8020202@blomand.net>
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CAT definitely working - the freq changes in WSJT-X when I spin VFO A.  K3S
set as default device playback and recording "USB Audio CODEC" on the
laptop. Plenty of PWR out when I hit TUNE on the K3S. When I hit the Tune
button in WSJT I get a steady tone.
73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:09
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

I'll make screen shots if needed.   Be sure you have CAT interface 
working and then the correct AUDIO CODEC selected in the application.  
The radio should be in Data mode.  When you select TUNE you should hear the
tone in the MONITOR, radio should switch to transmit,  the PWR slider to the
right controls the audio level. The Speaker CODEC on the 
computer should be about 50%.   This should have about 4 to 5 bars 
showing on the ALC meter.   Line gain on the radio at about #20.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/25/2016 3:53 PM, Ian wrote:
> WSJT-X 1.6.0, PTT method = CAT, VOX enabled on K3S, 50w pwr but no 
> envelope on the P3
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Crayner
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 16:19
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>
> Ian,
>
> Which rev level of WSJT-X are you trying to use?
>
> I seem to recall 1.5.x had some issues with Hamlib and as a result 
> some of the PTT code was broke.
>
> If you are running 1.6.0 I think the Hamlib stuff is fixed and you can 
> use
> K3/KX3 as a rig and then set PTT to CAT.
>
> If you plan on running DX Commander at some point you can install it, 
> configure it to mange the radio under the config->port options of DX 
> Commander and then point WSJT-X to it by selecting DX Commander as the
"rig"
> in Settings->Radio.  Then DX COmmander does the heavy lifting and 
> avoids the broken Hamlib piece. This should work in 1.5.x and 1.6.
>
> Tom (W2YF)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no 
>> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for
>> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>
>> s/n 10111
>>
>>
>>
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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 17:26:21 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:26:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <56A69DA3.2070306@embarqmail.com>
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	<000301d157ba$c374cb80$4a5e6280$@verizon.net>
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TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:12
To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

Ian,

Do you have the coupler for the P3 Transmit Monitor P3 TXMON installed in
your transmission line?  Is it the 'right way around?
Is the SENSOR cable fully plugged in at both ends?  You should hear a click
when the cable is fully seated.
Do you see the envelope display with other modes?

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/25/2016 4:53 PM, Ian wrote:
> WSJT-X 1.6.0, PTT method = CAT, VOX enabled on K3S, 50w pwr but no 
> envelope on the P3
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Crayner
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 16:19
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>
> Ian,
>
> Which rev level of WSJT-X are you trying to use?
>
> I seem to recall 1.5.x had some issues with Hamlib and as a result 
> some of the PTT code was broke.
>
> If you are running 1.6.0 I think the Hamlib stuff is fixed and you can 
> use
> K3/KX3 as a rig and then set PTT to CAT.
>
> If you plan on running DX Commander at some point you can install it, 
> configure it to mange the radio under the config->port options of DX 
> Commander and then point WSJT-X to it by selecting DX Commander as the
"rig"
> in Settings->Radio.  Then DX COmmander does the heavy lifting and 
> avoids the broken Hamlib piece. This should work in 1.5.x and 1.6.
>
> Tom (W2YF)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a single USB cable between the K3S and the laptop and no 
>> problem decoding JT65 signals with DATA A.  "CAT Control" is set for
>> COM4 and 38400-N-8-1.  Any hints on setting the "PTT Method" parameters?
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan 25 17:42:01 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 14:42:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <1453742982416-7613076.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
	<1453742982416-7613076.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1453761721.6616.7.camel@nk7z.net>

Thank you sir!!!

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 10:29 -0700, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
> Hi David,?
> 
> Fred Cady is correct, the next version of P3 firmware will allow
> P3/SVGA USB
> keyboard macros to include P3 commands.???It will also allow the
> first 8
> P3/SVGA keyboard macros to be mapped to front panel function keys.
> 
> Kind regards,?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Mon Jan 25 17:42:35 2016
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:42:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] LOTW down?
In-Reply-To: <56A6912B.9000207@montac.com>
References: <982958B6-BA38-416E-9DA2-D50E35C242F4@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1453761755529-7613099.post@n2.nabble.com>

Worked for me at 22:42 UTC today



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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan 25 17:51:35 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 14:51:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
References: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
Message-ID: <1453762295.6616.17.camel@nk7z.net>

I just heard from Genovation-- the 24 Key software for the CP24 pad is
finished, and I will be testing it shortly. ?As soon as it is tested,
it will be available for download. ?

That will put both the CP48, and the CP24 Genovation keypads as being
able to send macros to the K3, via the P3, and soon the P3 as well,
thanks to a change Elecraft is going to put in place next release.. ?

With Elecraft adding the abilty to trigger P3 macros in the next
release of software having a single button macro which can create a
split +5 KHz, move VFO A to the left side of the P3 screen, and set the
SPAN width to match the split width, are possible...

Can't wait for the release of the new P3 software...

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 17:52:12 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <000901d157bf$6b8cba90$42a62fb0$@verizon.net>
References: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
	<CAJhNfxaR5b_Pig7XuRvnTguGY00QHT0CHqF95DA_+WoYKjQhrQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Ian,

Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.

WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3 
with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged 
into the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from 
the internal soundcard.

Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter 
with the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars 
are there to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to 
LINE and set MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to 
at least 3/4 and then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper 
deflection on the ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without 
producing RF).

If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no 
RF output.

73,
Do W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jan 25 18:03:09 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:03:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/25/2016 9:16 AM, Bob wrote:
>   Drop some serious bucks on a Lutron model and try it.

Lutron dimmers are not "serious bucks" unless you want special features.

73, Jim K9YC

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 18:10:39 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:10:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 not working after PA upgrade
In-Reply-To: <02fc01d157b9$523b7690$f6b263b0$@ca.rr.com>
References: <02fc01d157b9$523b7690$f6b263b0$@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <56A6AB6F.2060505@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

AFAIK, the addition of the KPA3 should not have any effect on the 
operation of the KRC2.

Check the jumpers in the KRC2 against the AUXBUS configuration for the 
K3 on page 23 of the KRC2 manual.
The two indications of K3 menu for the KRC2 show "-" and the "Turn On 
PA" message are making me think that there is some kind of conflict on 
the AUXBUS signal internal to the K3 or KRC2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 4:42 PM, Dave Glenn wrote:
> I recently had the 100 Watt amp added to my K3.
>
> I went to set it up with and use with my transverters and KRC2 menu item
> shows -
>
> Cabling looks good going from 15 pin on the K3 to the 9 on the KRC2.
>
>   
>
> If I power cycle the KRC2 while the K3 is on it shows Turn On PA and is
> locked up.
>
>   
>
> Is there some setting I have forgotten?
>
> Tnx, Dave N6TEB
>
>   
>
>   
>
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From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:06:47 2016
From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:06:47 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6/10
Message-ID: <CALpA8WjYOjTWCp-BtZAGZSc5jNqGFYCg_aTgD0qzQWJncLRRJg@mail.gmail.com>

 did the addition of a PR6/10

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From ebasilier at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 19:08:26 2016
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:08:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: 700 Hz INRAD filter
Message-ID: <027901d157cd$adc31310$09493930$@cox.net>

Any for sale out there?

Thanks,

Erik K7TV


From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:10:21 2016
From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:10:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6/10
Message-ID: <CALpA8WgLFZia73L5KcqwpCBv7tZhhXCmAjayMQ_NkJN7GoOg=w@mail.gmail.com>

Does the addition of a PR6/10 increase the RX sensitivity significantly  on
12, 10 & 6 meters
KC5WA

From cotter.sayre at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:17:29 2016
From: cotter.sayre at gmail.com (cottersay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:17:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
Message-ID: <1453767449874-7613108.post@n2.nabble.com>

I built my K1 years ago, but I also just re-read the K1 manual, yet I still
do not quite understand how to adjust the Xtal filter's bandwidth to center
on my chosen sidetone frequency of 500Hz.  (The way I check the K1's xtal
filter's center frequency is to display the K1's audio output noise into a
PC's spectrum analyzer, as shown below). 

<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7613108/xtal_output.jpg> 

How do I adjust FL1, FL2, and FL3's center frequency without messing up any
other parameter?

Thank you!



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:20:05 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:20:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6/10
In-Reply-To: <CALpA8WgLFZia73L5KcqwpCBv7tZhhXCmAjayMQ_NkJN7GoOg=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALpA8WgLFZia73L5KcqwpCBv7tZhhXCmAjayMQ_NkJN7GoOg=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A6BBB5.2070502@embarqmail.com>

RC,

Yes, that is exactly what it does.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 7:10 PM, Robert 'RC' Conley wrote:
> Does the addition of a PR6/10 increase the RX sensitivity significantly  on
> 12, 10 & 6 meters
> KC5WA
>


From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Jan 25 19:23:28 2016
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:23:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>

I have a number of Lutron Maestro dimmers including a couple ELV types. 
IIRC the standard models are around $30 and ELV something like $100/ea. 
I have not noticed RFI with any of them, including operating 6m EME.

73,
Josh W6XU

On 1/25/2016 3:03 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> Lutron dimmers are not "serious bucks" unless you want special features.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Mon Jan 25 19:23:37 2016
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:23:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <1453762295.6616.17.camel@nk7z.net>
References: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
	<1453762295.6616.17.camel@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <FE0A80E5-3812-43C1-9955-5BA0A92EE408@Alphadene.co.uk>

Just wondering what the programming method is and if it is possible from a Mac?
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

> On 25 Jan 2016, at 22:51, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> I just heard from Genovation-- the 24 Key software for the CP24 pad is
> finished, and I will be testing it shortly.  As soon as it is tested,
> it will be available for download.  
> 
> That will put both the CP48, and the CP24 Genovation keypads as being
> able to send macros to the K3, via the P3, and soon the P3 as well,
> thanks to a change Elecraft is going to put in place next release..  
> 
> With Elecraft adding the abilty to trigger P3 macros in the next
> release of software having a single button macro which can create a
> split +5 KHz, move VFO A to the left side of the P3 screen, and set the
> SPAN width to match the split width, are possible...
> 
> Can't wait for the release of the new P3 software...


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:37:14 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:37:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
In-Reply-To: <1453767449874-7613108.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1453767449874-7613108.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <56A6BFBA.2070308@embarqmail.com>

Unlike the K2, you will not center each of the K1 filters.
Set the K1 IF filter to the narrowest one - FL3 unless you have made 
some filter width changes from the normal defaults.
Then adjust the BFO trimmer (C20) to position the center of that 
narrowest filter at your chosen sidetone pitch as indicated on your 
audio spectrum analyzer.
Then remove the bottom panel and set S2 to the TEST position. Adjust C13 
to place the signal at your chosen sidetone pitch - that sets the 
Transmit Offset.
Return the S2 switch to the OPR position and you are done.

Make certain you set the menu STP parameter to your chosen sidetone 
pitch so you can do SPOT at the same frequency.

The exact center frequency may not track exactly for filters greater 
than the most narrow, but will result in a very usable received sidetone 
pitch for any of the filter widths.  In other words, the filter width 
may increase more on the high audio frequency side than on the low 
frequency side, but the peak of the filter will remain at the pitch 
obtained by aligning with the filter set to the narrowest setting that 
you will use.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 7:17 PM, cottersay wrote:
> I built my K1 years ago, but I also just re-read the K1 manual, yet I still
> do not quite understand how to adjust the Xtal filter's bandwidth to center
> on my chosen sidetone frequency of 500Hz.  (The way I check the K1's xtal
> filter's center frequency is to display the K1's audio output noise into a
> PC's spectrum analyzer, as shown below).
>
>


From pincon at erols.com  Mon Jan 25 19:52:02 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:52:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>

My simple (= cheep) solution is to simply turn off
all dimmer controlled lights when I'm on the
air.....
For me, this is easy since there's only two in the
whole house!

Charlie k3ICH

 

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From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Josh Fiden
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 7:23 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED &
flouresence Dimmer Switches

I have a number of Lutron Maestro dimmers
including a couple ELV types. 
IIRC the standard models are around $30 and ELV
something like $100/ea. 
I have not noticed RFI with any of them, including
operating 6m EME.




From cotter.sayre at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:52:57 2016
From: cotter.sayre at gmail.com (cottersay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:52:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
In-Reply-To: <56A6BFBA.2070308@embarqmail.com>
References: <1453767449874-7613108.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56A6BFBA.2070308@embarqmail.com>
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Thanks, Don!  That's as clear and as concise as I have ever heard;  perfect!  



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From edwest at sisqtel.net  Mon Jan 25 20:09:22 2016
From: edwest at sisqtel.net (Ed)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:09:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers
Message-ID: <56A6C742.6030201@sisqtel.net>

Jerry

Thanks for posting this.  Very informative.

Ed

From wes at triconet.org  Mon Jan 25 20:19:46 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:19:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <1453762295.6616.17.camel@nk7z.net>
References: <1453655683.22814.37.camel@nostromo>
	<1453762295.6616.17.camel@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <56A6C9B2.8050803@triconet.org>

Ideally, the guys at Elecraft will make it so we don't need a P3 to do this.


On 1/25/2016 3:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I just heard from Genovation-- the 24 Key software for the CP24 pad is
> finished, and I will be testing it shortly.  As soon as it is tested,
> it will be available for download.
>
> That will put both the CP48, and the CP24 Genovation keypads as being
> able to send macros to the K3, via the P3, and soon the P3 as well,
> thanks to a change Elecraft is going to put in place next release..
>
> With Elecraft adding the abilty to trigger P3 macros in the next
> release of software having a single button macro which can create a
> split +5 KHz, move VFO A to the left side of the P3 screen, and set the
> SPAN width to match the split width, are possible...
>
> Can't wait for the release of the new P3 software...
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Mon Jan 25 20:22:15 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:22:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>
	<00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <56A6CA47.7060900@mediacombb.net>

My simple (=cheaper) solution is to get rid of the dimmers all together.
How much is a good old fashioned light switch at the big three, $1.50, 
two buck if you want a matching switch plate.
When we bought our house I replaced six dimmers. Didn't hear a peep from 
"she who must be obeyed".
I have about that many CFL's to swap out for LED's. The garage 
fluorescents will be a different story. They get to stay as long as they 
stay radio quiet.

On 1/25/2016 6:52 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> My simple (= cheep) solution is to simply turn off
> all dimmer controlled lights when I'm on the
> air.....
> For me, this is easy since there's only two in the
> whole house!
>
> Charlie k3ICH
>
>


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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:22:11 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:22:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
In-Reply-To: <1453769577961-7613113.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1453767449874-7613108.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56A6BFBA.2070308@embarqmail.com>
	<1453769577961-7613113.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <56A6CA43.2070302@embarqmail.com>

The fact that you were using an audio spectrum analyzer of some sort 
made my answer easy to state.  The K1 manual does not make any 
assumptions about tools like an audio spectrum analyzer, so must resort 
to telling you to peak the BFO at your chosen sidetone pitch (or other 
words meaning the same thing), and do likewise with the TX offset.  
Since you said you were using an audio spectrum analyzer already, you 
provided information that was already halfway to the goal.

BTW, if anyone wants an audio spectrum analyzer to load onto their 
Windows PC, I have copies of Spectrogram (both freeware versions 5.17 
and 16) local to my website available for download at www.w3fpr.com.  
Look for the links near the bottom of the opening page.  Since those are 
copies local to my website, be assured that they have been scanned many 
times and are free of viruses (I have reports of other sources of 
Spectrogram may be contaminated.  Norton may object because it does not 
have enough experience with those downloads, but rest assured, they are 
clean and you can ignore the Norton warnings.
SpectrumLab and others will suffice just as well, but I like the 
dedicated "scope" display of Spectrogram.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 7:52 PM, cottersay wrote:
> Thanks, Don!  That's as clear and as concise as I have ever heard;  perfect!
>
>


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:26:08 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:26:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
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Going back quite a while, a lot of us complained to Elecraft that diversity
RX, which is a top reason for having a second RX at all, was really clunky
as it was originally implemented on the SUB button. That scheme confused
people and got them into K3 states which they didn't understand because
they held the button too long, or not long enough. It was complained about
over and over, enough that Elecraft changed how the SUB button worked for
diversity mode on the K3 and then put the yellow DIV on the front panel
lettering of the K3S, setting that scheme in concrete. So that's not going
to change.

Since the programming language has the LN command to link VFOs, DV for
diversity, and the ability to simulate just about any button press, along
with other commands, it should be possible to create a macro that does
everything, link plus everything else you do using link, a superior single
button press solution to the old scheme. The macro string can contain the
command to set the sub RX to main RX frequency, to get around the sub RX
going to the last frequency used on VFO B.

With the ability to send macro strings from the function keys in N1MM, it
is possible to create function key definitions which do everything from the
logger, by just importing a function key definition.

Myself, I am very happy with the change, as is to this point anyone I know
who uses the two RX in diversity. You might be the first to disagree I've
heard.

73, Guy K2AV


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have found this change pretty inconvenient because when getting out of
> diversity mode I loose LINK state and has to go to the menu to change it
> again. Besides in DIVERSITY mode I now cannot swap left and right audio
> channels. Just wonder why such a limitation was implemented.
>
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: "Paul VanOveren" <paulnf8j at gmail.com>; "elecraft reflector" <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
>
>
> Paul,
>>
>> Did you recently update the firmware?  It is now a CONFIG menu item.
>> That was changed a few firmware releases back.  Check the release notes
>> for several releases back.
>>
>> The problem was that many users were getting into VFO Link when they
>> wanted to go into Diversity and created additional support activity both on
>> the reflector and at Elecraft customer support.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/25/2016 11:10 AM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>>
>>> I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB receiver
>>> ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY
>>> on
>>> the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or Unlink.
>>> Is there some menu setting I am missing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul, NF8J
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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 20:37:23 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:37:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive levels
are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is very touchy in
combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can disappear in an instance!
73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

Ian,

Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.

WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3
with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged into
the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from the
internal soundcard.

Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with
the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars are there
to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to LINE and set
MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to at least 3/4 and
then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the
ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without producing RF).

If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no RF
output.

73,
Do W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>
>

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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Mon Jan 25 20:41:09 2016
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:41:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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Ian,

I have the same issue with my K3 and WSJT-X. Great care must be taken when making the Tx power adjustment, and it is far too easy to significantly change the ALC level with the slightest movement.

73,


Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:37, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive levels
> are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is very touchy in
> combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can disappear in an instance!
> 73, Ian N8IK 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
> To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
> 
> Ian,
> 
> Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.
> 
> WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
> Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3
> with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged into
> the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from the
> internal soundcard.
> 
> Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
> The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with
> the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars are there
> to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to LINE and set
> MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to at least 3/4 and
> then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the
> ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without producing RF).
> 
> If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no RF
> output.
> 
> 73,
> Do W3FPR
> 
> On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
>> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>> 
>> 
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jan 25 20:51:07 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:51:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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You might try running the K3S LINE Gain at a lower value, in my case 15 
to 20, and running the PWR slider in WSJT-X a bit higher.  This is also 
affected by the SPEAKER level in the Windows Sound controller panel.  
Also under "Enhancements" make sure "Disable All Enhancement"  box is 
checked.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/25/2016 7:41 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
> Ian,
>
> I have the same issue with my K3 and WSJT-X. Great care must be taken when making the Tx power adjustment, and it is far too easy to significantly change the ALC level with the slightest movement.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
> n7rjn at nobis.net
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:37, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive levels
>> are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is very touchy in
>> combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can disappear in an instance!
>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
>> To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.
>>
>> WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
>> Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3
>> with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged into
>> the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from the
>> internal soundcard.
>>
>> Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
>> The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with
>> the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars are there
>> to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to LINE and set
>> MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to at least 3/4 and
>> then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the
>> ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without producing RF).
>>
>> If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no RF
>> output.
>>
>> 73,
>> Do W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
>>> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>>>
>>>
>> -----
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:51:11 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:51:11 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
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I also did not want the change, however I have tied it to PF1 now.

I keep my vfo's linked, B vfo is set up 5 for hunting DXpeditions, a simple press on the pf1 key avoids the UP cops.

Just my take on Linking

Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
Sent: ?26/?01/?2016 11:27 AM
To: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
Cc: "elecraft reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s

Going back quite a while, a lot of us complained to Elecraft that diversity
RX, which is a top reason for having a second RX at all, was really clunky
as it was originally implemented on the SUB button. That scheme confused
people and got them into K3 states which they didn't understand because
they held the button too long, or not long enough. It was complained about
over and over, enough that Elecraft changed how the SUB button worked for
diversity mode on the K3 and then put the yellow DIV on the front panel
lettering of the K3S, setting that scheme in concrete. So that's not going
to change.

Since the programming language has the LN command to link VFOs, DV for
diversity, and the ability to simulate just about any button press, along
with other commands, it should be possible to create a macro that does
everything, link plus everything else you do using link, a superior single
button press solution to the old scheme. The macro string can contain the
command to set the sub RX to main RX frequency, to get around the sub RX
going to the last frequency used on VFO B.

With the ability to send macro strings from the function keys in N1MM, it
is possible to create function key definitions which do everything from the
logger, by just importing a function key definition.

Myself, I am very happy with the change, as is to this point anyone I know
who uses the two RX in diversity. You might be the first to disagree I've
heard.

73, Guy K2AV


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have found this change pretty inconvenient because when getting out of
> diversity mode I loose LINK state and has to go to the menu to change it
> again. Besides in DIVERSITY mode I now cannot swap left and right audio
> channels. Just wonder why such a limitation was implemented.
>
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: "Paul VanOveren" <paulnf8j at gmail.com>; "elecraft reflector" <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
>
>
> Paul,
>>
>> Did you recently update the firmware?  It is now a CONFIG menu item.
>> That was changed a few firmware releases back.  Check the release notes
>> for several releases back.
>>
>> The problem was that many users were getting into VFO Link when they
>> wanted to go into Diversity and created additional support activity both on
>> the reflector and at Elecraft customer support.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/25/2016 11:10 AM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>>
>>> I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB receiver
>>> ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY
>>> on
>>> the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or Unlink.
>>> Is there some menu setting I am missing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul, NF8J
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:53:02 2016
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Stephen Shearer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:53:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
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Be careful.  Not all LED's are the same.
Early on I purchased a cheap two-pack at HomeDepot.
Later I was using brand name.  I started to have some noise problems - 
the cheap no-names were causing problems.  I am almost all LED's now.
I started because my YL could hear the CFL power supply buzzing and 
LED's are a higher switching freq she could not hear.

I am a scout campmaster, our cabin (and all lights in camp) were 
replaced with cheap LED's and we have HF noise problems.  I also have a 
dimmer to deal with in our cabin.  I am not sure the dimmer is a problem 
but with the LED's I can't tell.  I am thinking about purchasing better 
LED's and replacing them...  Five to start.  I am not sure there isn't a 
ground issue (or ground loop?) either.  Unplugging the microwave solved 
the problem one time but not the next...

The KX3 is great for tracing LED noise - battery power...

73, steve WB3LGC

On 25-Jan-16 8:22 PM, Kevin Stover wrote:

> I have about that many CFL's to swap out for LED's.
>

From cotter.sayre at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:57:00 2016
From: cotter.sayre at gmail.com (cottersay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:57:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
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Thanks again Don;  I just downloaded Spectrogram, which is much more
dedicated to audio spectrum analysis than my CW Get software (which I mainly
use to practice with my straight key and my bug -- the CW Get software
cannot be fooled by a bad fist!).



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From davidahrendts at me.com  Mon Jan 25 20:57:40 2016
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:57:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
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Thanks to all who have posted on this thread. Very informative. I have an entire house full of Lutron dimmers ? all servicing halogens ? circa 2001 design (pre-LED). And being a green guy with solar panels on the roof and plug-in hybrid, I was considering LEDs for the whole house. Will step very carefully now because of this discussion. Curious, does anyone have an example of LED noise recorded?

David Ahrendts, KK6DA (formerly KC0XT), LA


> On Jan 25, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net> wrote:
> 
> My simple (=cheaper) solution is to get rid of the dimmers all together.
> How much is a good old fashioned light switch at the big three, $1.50, two buck if you want a matching switch plate.
> When we bought our house I replaced six dimmers. Didn't hear a peep from "she who must be obeyed".
> I have about that many CFL's to swap out for LED's. The garage fluorescents will be a different story. They get to stay as long as they stay radio quiet.
> 
> On 1/25/2016 6:52 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> My simple (= cheep) solution is to simply turn off
>> all dimmer controlled lights when I'm on the
>> air.....
>> For me, this is easy since there's only two in the
>> whole house!
>> 
>> Charlie k3ICH
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> R. Kevin Stover
> AC0H
> ARRL
> FISTS #11993
> SKCC #215
> NAQCC #3441
> 
> 




David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Mon Jan 25 21:09:57 2016
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <56A6C9B2.8050803@triconet.org>
References: <56A6C9B2.8050803@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <56A6D575.6000405@nycap.rr.com>

The Pigknob goes direct to the K3 (serial port) and uses the programming 
from the reference. Great gadget: 2-speed VFO and eight buttons you can 
tell to do whatever you need. No need for K3 modifications. Been using 
mine for a couple of years.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Mon Jan 25 21:16:26 2016
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:16:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
In-Reply-To: <1453769577961-7613113.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1453767449874-7613108.post@n2.nabble.com>	<56A6BFBA.2070308@embarqmail.com>
	<1453769577961-7613113.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <005501d157df$9012f4e0$b038dea0$@gamewood.net>

You said you built your K1 'years ago'.  Are you sure you have an S2?  If
yours is an early K1 there is no S2, this process is a bit more involved!
Don, can you help with those instructions?  They are not in the current rev
of the manual.
Ken - ke4rg

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?

Thanks, Don!  That's as clear and as concise as I have ever heard;  perfect!




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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Mon Jan 25 21:17:05 2016
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:17:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <56A6D10B.50601@blomand.net>
References: <001501d15790$d1602020$74206060$@verizon.net>
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Bob,

I have already tried that and several other setting levels. The issue, I believe, is that the PWR slider on  WSJT-X is very sensitive. A very small movement results in a big swing in actual power.

73,


Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:51, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> You might try running the K3S LINE Gain at a lower value, in my case 15 to 20, and running the PWR slider in WSJT-X a bit higher.  This is also affected by the SPEAKER level in the Windows Sound controller panel.  Also under "Enhancements" make sure "Disable All Enhancement"  box is checked.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 1/25/2016 7:41 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
>> Ian,
>> 
>> I have the same issue with my K3 and WSJT-X. Great care must be taken when making the Tx power adjustment, and it is far too easy to significantly change the ALC level with the slightest movement.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
>> n7rjn at nobis.net
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:37, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive levels
>>> are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is very touchy in
>>> combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can disappear in an instance!
>>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
>>> To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>>> 
>>> Ian,
>>> 
>>> Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.
>>> 
>>> WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
>>> Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3
>>> with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged into
>>> the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from the
>>> internal soundcard.
>>> 
>>> Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
>>> The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with
>>> the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars are there
>>> to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to LINE and set
>>> MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to at least 3/4 and
>>> then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the
>>> ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without producing RF).
>>> 
>>> If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no RF
>>> output.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Do W3FPR
>>> 
>>> On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
>>>> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jan 25 21:24:32 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:24:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <D60812AA-02DD-446F-9C90-5611F2217D62@nobis.net>
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Let me clarify a point.  Use the PWR slider on WSJT-X to adjust the 
number of bars on the ALC indication on the radio.  Do this in 
combination with the {MIC}  Line Gain value on the radio.   You should 
have 4 on solid, 5th flickering.  Actual transmit power is controlled by 
the PWR value as set on the radio.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/25/2016 8:17 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I have already tried that and several other setting levels. The issue, I believe, is that the PWR slider on  WSJT-X is very sensitive. A very small movement results in a big swing in actual power.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
> n7rjn at nobis.net
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:51, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>> You might try running the K3S LINE Gain at a lower value, in my case 15 to 20, and running the PWR slider in WSJT-X a bit higher.  This is also affected by the SPEAKER level in the Windows Sound controller panel.  Also under "Enhancements" make sure "Disable All Enhancement"  box is checked.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>> On 1/25/2016 7:41 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> I have the same issue with my K3 and WSJT-X. Great care must be taken when making the Tx power adjustment, and it is far too easy to significantly change the ALC level with the slightest movement.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
>>> n7rjn at nobis.net
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:37, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive levels
>>>> are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is very touchy in
>>>> combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can disappear in an instance!
>>>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
>>>> To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>>>>
>>>> Ian,
>>>>
>>>> Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.
>>>>
>>>> WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
>>>> Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3
>>>> with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged into
>>>> the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from the
>>>> internal soundcard.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
>>>> The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with
>>>> the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars are there
>>>> to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to LINE and set
>>>> MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to at least 3/4 and
>>>> then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the
>>>> ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without producing RF).
>>>>
>>>> If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no RF
>>>> output.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Do W3FPR
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
>>>>> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>> Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11485 - Release Date: 01/25/16
>>>>
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 21:32:34 2016
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:32:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
In-Reply-To: <56A6D575.6000405@nycap.rr.com>
References: <56A6C9B2.8050803@triconet.org> <56A6D575.6000405@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <194e01d157e1$d0841430$718c3c90$@gmail.com>

I second that, Bill!!  Had mine about a year and it is a powerful accessory
for my K3.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 6:10 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

The Pigknob goes direct to the K3 (serial port) and uses the programming
from the reference. Great gadget: 2-speed VFO and eight buttons you can tell
to do whatever you need. No need for K3 modifications. Been using mine for a
couple of years.

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From w6jhb at me.com  Mon Jan 25 21:37:15 2016
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:37:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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I may be out in left field here, although I've been using WSJT-X for quite some time, but I keep the WSJT-X power slider at the max and control my output power at the K3....

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Robert Nobis <n7rjn at nobis.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I have already tried that and several other setting levels. The issue, I believe, is that the PWR slider on  WSJT-X is very sensitive. A very small movement results in a big swing in actual power.
> 
> 73,
> 
> 
> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
> n7rjn at nobis.net
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:51, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>> 
>> You might try running the K3S LINE Gain at a lower value, in my case 15 to 20, and running the PWR slider in WSJT-X a bit higher.  This is also affected by the SPEAKER level in the Windows Sound controller panel.  Also under "Enhancements" make sure "Disable All Enhancement"  box is checked.
>> 
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>>> On 1/25/2016 7:41 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
>>> Ian,
>>> 
>>> I have the same issue with my K3 and WSJT-X. Great care must be taken when making the Tx power adjustment, and it is far too easy to significantly change the ALC level with the slightest movement.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
>>> n7rjn at nobis.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:37, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive levels
>>>> are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is very touchy in
>>>> combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can disappear in an instance!
>>>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
>>>> To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>>>> 
>>>> Ian,
>>>> 
>>>> Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.
>>>> 
>>>> WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
>>>> Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3
>>>> with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged into
>>>> the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from the
>>>> internal soundcard.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
>>>> The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with
>>>> the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars are there
>>>> to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to LINE and set
>>>> MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to at least 3/4 and
>>>> then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the
>>>> ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without producing RF).
>>>> 
>>>> If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no RF
>>>> output.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Do W3FPR
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
>>>>> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>>>> -----
>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>> Version: 2016.0.7357 / Virus Database: 4522/11485 - Release Date: 01/25/16
>>>> 
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From cotter.sayre at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 21:49:37 2016
From: cotter.sayre at gmail.com (cottersay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:49:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
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Thanks for the heads up, Ken.  I guess an S2 is a newer version of the K1?
What I know of my rig is that the assembly manual that came with my K1
(Serial# 02652) was printed in January of 2002, and I assembled the K1
sometime in November of 2008.  Ahh, I also see from an old email from
Elecraft that I had ordered a "K1-2 Two-Band 5W CW Transceiver";  either
the "2" part means two band, or maybe it means "S2"?



On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Kenneth Talbott [via Elecraft] <
ml-node+s365791n7613128h17 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:

> You said you built your K1 'years ago'.  Are you sure you have an S2?  If
> yours is an early K1 there is no S2, this process is a bit more involved!
> Don, can you help with those instructions?  They are not in the current
> rev
> of the manual.
> Ken - ke4rg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7613128&i=0>] On Behalf Of
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From jreedbum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 21:58:20 2016
From: jreedbum at gmail.com (Reed Bumgarner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KIO3B and RMS Express
Message-ID: <CAMnWSfMNSTCO+YjBv9=oYOOcSRaWMUO_r4WaLWC6yMDSiCtGXA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having trouble getting RMS Express to transmit. I've tried various
combinations of RTS PTT settings and am using the digital setting in the
RMS software. The transmit light goes on but no power out and failure to
connect.
Do I need to use port share software with the KIO3B?  Is there another
setting I'm overlooking?
Thanks for any insights.
Reed AA1RB

From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 25 22:07:50 2016
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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I now have Mic Gain at LINE 7 per p. 88 of KE7X's book and the WSJT "Pwr
slider" at about -8.8dB to make the 5th ALC bar flicker.
73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 21:25
To: Robert Nobis <n7rjn at nobis.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X

Let me clarify a point.  Use the PWR slider on WSJT-X to adjust the number
of bars on the ALC indication on the radio.  Do this in 
combination with the {MIC}  Line Gain value on the radio.   You should 
have 4 on solid, 5th flickering.  Actual transmit power is controlled by the
PWR value as set on the radio.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/25/2016 8:17 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I have already tried that and several other setting levels. The issue, I
believe, is that the PWR slider on  WSJT-X is very sensitive. A very small
movement results in a big swing in actual power.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
> n7rjn at nobis.net
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:51, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>> You might try running the K3S LINE Gain at a lower value, in my case 15
to 20, and running the PWR slider in WSJT-X a bit higher.  This is also
affected by the SPEAKER level in the Windows Sound controller panel.  Also
under "Enhancements" make sure "Disable All Enhancement"  box is checked.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>> On 1/25/2016 7:41 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> I have the same issue with my K3 and WSJT-X. Great care must be taken
when making the Tx power adjustment, and it is far too easy to significantly
change the ALC level with the slightest movement.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
>>> n7rjn at nobis.net
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:37, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive 
>>>> levels are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is 
>>>> very touchy in combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can
disappear in an instance!
>>>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
>>>> To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>>>>
>>>> Ian,
>>>>
>>>> Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.
>>>>
>>>> WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
>>>> Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S 
>>>> or K3 with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, 
>>>> anything plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override 
>>>> the audio input from the internal soundcard.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
>>>> The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC 
>>>> meter with the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 
>>>> 1st 4 bars are there to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set 
>>>> the MIC SEL to LINE and set MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard 
>>>> output slider up to at least 3/4 and then adjust the Line-In (Mic) 
>>>> Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the ALC meter (you can do that
in TX TEST mode without producing RF).
>>>>
>>>> If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for 
>>>> no RF output.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Do W3FPR
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
>>>>> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Jan 25 22:09:32 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:09:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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On 1/25/2016 9:37 PM, James Bennett wrote:
> I may be out in left field here, although I've been using WSJT-X for
 > quite some time, but I keep the WSJT-X power slider at the max and
 > control my output power at the K3....

I've always: 1) left the PWR slider in WSJT-X at 100%
              2) set the Windows Volume Mixer "Device" slider for the
                 sound card output being used at 70 - 80% (to keep the
                 sound card in its linear range/minimum distortion)
              3) adjusted the K3/K3S Audio input (Line In) for four
                 bars of ALC
              5) set the desired power level with the K3 PWR control

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


From lists at subich.com  Mon Jan 25 22:14:28 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KIO3B and RMS Express
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 > The transmit light goes on but no power out and failure to
 > connect.

Are you seeing four bars of ALC?   It sounds like you do not
have the audio levels set correctly.

Use DATA A, set MENU:MIC+LIN = OFF and MENU:MIC SEL=LINE IN.
Set your software TX level at about 80%, set the Windows Volume
Mixer for your sound card output "Speaker (USB Audio CODEC)" at
80%, adjust the K3/K3S Mic Gain for four bars of ALC and set the
output power level using the PWR control.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/25/2016 9:58 PM, Reed Bumgarner wrote:
> I'm having trouble getting RMS Express to transmit. I've tried various
> combinations of RTS PTT settings and am using the digital setting in the
> RMS software. The transmit light goes on but no power out and failure to
> connect.
> Do I need to use port share software with the KIO3B?  Is there another
> setting I'm overlooking?
> Thanks for any insights.
> Reed AA1RB



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jan 25 22:25:47 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:25:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
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On Mon,1/25/2016 5:57 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> Curious, does anyone have an example of LED noise recorded?

LEDs do NOT make noise. What makes noise is the switch-mode power 
supply, and/or the dimmers used to make them run.

73, Jim K9YC

From cotter.sayre at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 22:31:25 2016
From: cotter.sayre at gmail.com (cottersay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:31:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
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Yep, just checked it out Ken, and the board Rev states that it is Rev. /Er/,
dated 2001.  Hopefully this means that my K1 has the S2 on the bottom of the
main board!  I'll soon know (by tomorrow).




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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Mon Jan 25 22:33:20 2016
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:33:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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Bob,

Yes, I also use the PWR slider bar to adjust the number of bars on the ALC indication, after I have adjusted the Line Gain on the K3.   And, yes, the actual transmit power output form the K3 is adjusted by the Power Level nob on the front panel of the K3.

My issue, is that the PWR slider on WSJT-X is extremely sensitive, but I have been living with this.

73,


Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On Jan 25, 2016, at 19:24, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Let me clarify a point.  Use the PWR slider on WSJT-X to adjust the number of bars on the ALC indication on the radio.  Do this in combination with the {MIC}  Line Gain value on the radio.   You should have 4 on solid, 5th flickering.  Actual transmit power is controlled by the PWR value as set on the radio.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 1/25/2016 8:17 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
>> Bob,
>> 
>> I have already tried that and several other setting levels. The issue, I believe, is that the PWR slider on  WSJT-X is very sensitive. A very small movement results in a big swing in actual power.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
>> n7rjn at nobis.net
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:51, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You might try running the K3S LINE Gain at a lower value, in my case 15 to 20, and running the PWR slider in WSJT-X a bit higher.  This is also affected by the SPEAKER level in the Windows Sound controller panel.  Also under "Enhancements" make sure "Disable All Enhancement"  box is checked.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> On 1/25/2016 7:41 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
>>>> Ian,
>>>> 
>>>> I have the same issue with my K3 and WSJT-X. Great care must be taken when making the Tx power adjustment, and it is far too easy to significantly change the ALC level with the slightest movement.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
>>>> n7rjn at nobis.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:37, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks all for the helpful suggestions - turns out the audio drive levels
>>>>> are pretty sensitive.  The WSJT Power slider on the right is very touchy in
>>>>> combination with the K3S Mic Gain knob.  ALC can disappear in an instance!
>>>>> 73, Ian N8IK
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 17:52
>>>>> To: Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ian,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you actually getting RF output?  Check with an in-line wattmeter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> WSJT-X is no different than other soundcard data modes.
>>>>> Do you have the DATA mode input set to LINE IN?  If you have a K3S or K3
>>>>> with the KIO3B *and* are using the internal soundcard, anything plugged into
>>>>> the LINE IN jack on the K3/K3S will override the audio input from the
>>>>> internal soundcard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have the data submode set to DATA A?
>>>>> The audio drive should be set to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with
>>>>> the 5th bar flashing - that is the "No ALC" point, the 1st 4 bars are there
>>>>> to help you adjust the audio drive level.  Set the MIC SEL to LINE and set
>>>>> MIC + LINE to off.  Set the soundcard output slider up to at least 3/4 and
>>>>> then adjust the Line-In (Mic) Gain to obtain the proper deflection on the
>>>>> ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST mode without producing RF).
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have no indication on the ALC meter, that is good reason for no RF
>>>>> output.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Do W3FPR
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/25/2016 5:26 PM, Ian wrote:
>>>>>> TXMON installed correctly!  Works fb on CW and SSB.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Mon Jan 25 22:35:23 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 03:35:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16396.1453777686.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D2CC3599.15E49%edauer@law.du.edu>


I did exactly the same ? stated that I did not welcome the change, and
then lived with it by programming PF1 to carry the ?link? function.  Works
just fine.  Just needed to write a note into the manual recording the
change for when the executor of my estate needs to sell the K3.  (I
haven?t figured out yet how I?ll be able to take it with me.)


Ted, KN1CBR





>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:51:11 +1000
>From: Gary <vk1zzgary at gmail.com>
>To: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>, Igor Sokolov
>	<ua9cdc at gmail.com>
>Cc: elecraft reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
>Message-ID: <56a6d11d.cf57620a.14dcc.2875 at mx.google.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>I also did not want the change, however I have tied it to PF1 now.
>
>I keep my vfo's linked, B vfo is set up 5 for hunting DXpeditions, a
>simple press on the pf1 key avoids the UP cops.
>
>Just my take on Linking
>
>Gary 


From lists at subich.com  Mon Jan 25 22:50:57 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X
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On 1/25/2016 10:33 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
 > My issue, is that the PWR slider on WSJT-X is extremely sensitive,

That's why I leave it at 100%, turn down the "Device" level in Windows
Volume Mixer and adjust the K3/K3S Line In (Mic Gain) for the correct
four bar ALC level.  The K3/K3S Line In level runs between 15 and 25
for four bars depending on the level of the sound card device (master)
level and is easy to adjust.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/25/2016 10:33 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Yes, I also use the PWR slider bar to adjust the number of bars on the ALC indication, after I have adjusted the Line Gain on the K3.   And, yes, the actual transmit power output form the K3 is adjusted by the Power Level nob on the front panel of the K3.
>
> My issue, is that the PWR slider on WSJT-X is extremely sensitive, but I have been living with this.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Bob Nobis - N7RJN
> n7rjn at nobis.net
>
>

From xe2hum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 23:15:13 2016
From: xe2hum at gmail.com (Oscar Castillo)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:15:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] new K2
Message-ID: <CAG2+TX7ZcRbJT7WScBOD1JHYC2MiuhprgKpknUrkHNjDxpcbEw@mail.gmail.com>

hello to all,

 i just get a nice K2 already build, tonight i doing inicial test and get
the Hi Cur message if i go above 5.5 watts on 40 meters and about 8 or so
in others bands, is this normal? no more that 5 watts? power supply 13.8 V,
20 amps...

where to star...

regards!!

-- 
*Oscar Castillo XE2IF*

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 23:54:11 2016
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:54:11 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
References: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A65172.2080404@embarqmail.com>
	<E9E0435DC7F14726BDDDDF60F8D5748B@cdcmobile>
	<CANckpc0ZueTTcr0jrxW3wjvqf7f0sr+km4W5_Eua+F4r4skPvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8DBFD890EDD485FB9602C7B794BC01F@cdcmobile>

Guy,
I use 2 RX of K3 with 2 different antennas pointed in two directions. With 
this scheme I often use audio A/B swapping witch is not working in 
DIVERCITY. I sure can program LINK into PF button but PF1 in my case is 
already programmed to switch speaker on/off and PF2 - to invoke audio A/B 
switching.
I can adapt to the new firmware with DIVERSITY single press but still I find 
it less convenient then what we had before that.

73, Igor UA9CDC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
To: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
Cc: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>; "Paul VanOveren" 
<paulnf8j at gmail.com>; "elecraft reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s


> Going back quite a while, a lot of us complained to Elecraft that 
> diversity
> RX, which is a top reason for having a second RX at all, was really clunky
> as it was originally implemented on the SUB button. That scheme confused
> people and got them into K3 states which they didn't understand because
> they held the button too long, or not long enough. It was complained about
> over and over, enough that Elecraft changed how the SUB button worked for
> diversity mode on the K3 and then put the yellow DIV on the front panel
> lettering of the K3S, setting that scheme in concrete. So that's not going
> to change.
>
> Since the programming language has the LN command to link VFOs, DV for
> diversity, and the ability to simulate just about any button press, along
> with other commands, it should be possible to create a macro that does
> everything, link plus everything else you do using link, a superior single
> button press solution to the old scheme. The macro string can contain the
> command to set the sub RX to main RX frequency, to get around the sub RX
> going to the last frequency used on VFO B.
>
> With the ability to send macro strings from the function keys in N1MM, it
> is possible to create function key definitions which do everything from 
> the
> logger, by just importing a function key definition.
>
> Myself, I am very happy with the change, as is to this point anyone I know
> who uses the two RX in diversity. You might be the first to disagree I've
> heard.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have found this change pretty inconvenient because when getting out of
>> diversity mode I loose LINK state and has to go to the menu to change it
>> again. Besides in DIVERSITY mode I now cannot swap left and right audio
>> channels. Just wonder why such a limitation was implemented.
>>
>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>> To: "Paul VanOveren" <paulnf8j at gmail.com>; "elecraft reflector" <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Did you recently update the firmware?  It is now a CONFIG menu item.
>>> That was changed a few firmware releases back.  Check the release notes
>>> for several releases back.
>>>
>>> The problem was that many users were getting into VFO Link when they
>>> wanted to go into Diversity and created additional support activity both 
>>> on
>>> the reflector and at Elecraft customer support.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2016 11:10 AM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB 
>>>> receiver
>>>> ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY
>>>> on
>>>> the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or 
>>>> Unlink.
>>>> Is there some menu setting I am missing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul, NF8J
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 26 00:21:11 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to center K1's crystal filters?
In-Reply-To: <005501d157df$9012f4e0$b038dea0$@gamewood.net>
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Ken,

You are correct, those K1's without the S2 switch make matters more 
difficult for setting the Transmit Offset.
There is a procedure in the older K1 manual which has you short two 
solder pads on the RF board to make that adjustment, but it does not 
work as well as with the K1's with the switch.

My procedure for adjusting the TX offset on those older K1's is more 
complex.
After adjusting the BFO to position the center of the FL3 passband at 
the desired sidetone pitch,  I set the K1 to receive a signal at the 
same desired pitch.  A signal generator is a handy tool, but an off the 
air signal can be used if a signal generator (such as another 
transmitter operating into a dummy load) is not available. If using an 
off-the-air signal, make sure it does not change frequency - ARRL 
bulletins or code practice signals are a stable source of on-the-air 
signals.
Receive that signal generator (or on-the-air signal output) on the K1 
and also on a separate receiver, and then do a TUNE with the K1 (into a 
dummy load).  Adjust the K1 C13 to the same audio pitch that the signal 
generator (or on-the-air signal) frequency produced in the monitor 
receiver (Spectrogram or other audio spectrum analyzer is helpful in 
determining that pitch - any frequency will do - the important thing is 
that the audio frequencies are the same).

You can try the procedure in the older manual, and if successful it will 
produce the same result, but my test bench is set up with Spectrogram 
and a monitor receiver, so the above procedure is the easiest for me.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 9:16 PM, Ken Talbott wrote:
> You said you built your K1 'years ago'.  Are you sure you have an S2?  If
> yours is an early K1 there is no S2, this process is a bit more involved!
> Don, can you help with those instructions?  They are not in the current rev
> of the manual.
> Ken - ke4rg
>
>


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 00:30:50 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:30:50 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
In-Reply-To: <D2CC3599.15E49%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <mailman.16396.1453777686.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<D2CC3599.15E49%edauer@law.du.edu>
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That will two of us on the other side. We can always ask during a sqso...?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
Sent: ?26/?01/?2016 1:36 PM
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s


I did exactly the same ? stated that I did not welcome the change, and
then lived with it by programming PF1 to carry the ?link? function.  Works
just fine.  Just needed to write a note into the manual recording the
change for when the executor of my estate needs to sell the K3.  (I
haven?t figured out yet how I?ll be able to take it with me.)


Ted, KN1CBR





>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:51:11 +1000
>From: Gary <vk1zzgary at gmail.com>
>To: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>, Igor Sokolov
>	<ua9cdc at gmail.com>
>Cc: elecraft reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
>Message-ID: <56a6d11d.cf57620a.14dcc.2875 at mx.google.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>I also did not want the change, however I have tied it to PF1 now.
>
>I keep my vfo's linked, B vfo is set up 5 for hunting DXpeditions, a
>simple press on the pf1 key avoids the UP cops.
>
>Just my take on Linking
>
>Gary 

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 26 00:41:41 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] new K2
In-Reply-To: <CAG2+TX7ZcRbJT7WScBOD1JHYC2MiuhprgKpknUrkHNjDxpcbEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG2+TX7ZcRbJT7WScBOD1JHYC2MiuhprgKpknUrkHNjDxpcbEw@mail.gmail.com>
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Oscar,

Set the menu CAL CUR to 3.50 for starters.

Do a quick test - connect an in-line wattmeter between your K2 and a 
dummy load.
Set the power to 5 watts (or for a K2/100 to 50 watts).
Then do a TUNE.  Observe the power indicated on the external wattmeter 
as well as the power indicated on the K2 display.

If a K2/10, does the power on the external wattmeter indicate in excess 
of 12 watts while the K2 display shows a low power?  If so diodes D1 and 
D2 in the KAT2 have been damaged and need to be replaced.  If you do not 
have the KAT2, then diode D9 in the K2 RF board needs to be replaced.

If a K2/100, the power should be 25 watts on the external wattmeter and 
the K2 display should be near 25 watts.  If the actual power is greater 
than 25 watts, then the KPA100 diodes D16 and D17 are damaged and need 
to be replaced.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/25/2016 11:15 PM, Oscar Castillo wrote:
> hello to all,
>
>   i just get a nice K2 already build, tonight i doing inicial test and get
> the Hi Cur message if i go above 5.5 watts on 40 meters and about 8 or so
> in others bands, is this normal? no more that 5 watts? power supply 13.8 V,
> 20 amps...
>
> where to star...
>
> regards!!
>


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 00:43:40 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:43:40 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
In-Reply-To: <E8DBFD890EDD485FB9602C7B794BC01F@cdcmobile>
References: <CAG0nM650t27rqceCOwehvThA=zZ=Qf6tCiFha+bA8ibS96JMrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A65172.2080404@embarqmail.com>
	<E9E0435DC7F14726BDDDDF60F8D5748B@cdcmobile>
	<CANckpc0ZueTTcr0jrxW3wjvqf7f0sr+km4W5_Eua+F4r4skPvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8DBFD890EDD485FB9602C7B794BC01F@cdcmobile>
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Igor,
Program M1-M4 to do linking?
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
Sent: ?26/?01/?2016 2:57 PM
To: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
Cc: "elecraft reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s

Guy,
I use 2 RX of K3 with 2 different antennas pointed in two directions. With 
this scheme I often use audio A/B swapping witch is not working in 
DIVERCITY. I sure can program LINK into PF button but PF1 in my case is 
already programmed to switch speaker on/off and PF2 - to invoke audio A/B 
switching.
I can adapt to the new firmware with DIVERSITY single press but still I find 
it less convenient then what we had before that.

73, Igor UA9CDC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
To: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
Cc: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>; "Paul VanOveren" 
<paulnf8j at gmail.com>; "elecraft reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s


> Going back quite a while, a lot of us complained to Elecraft that 
> diversity
> RX, which is a top reason for having a second RX at all, was really clunky
> as it was originally implemented on the SUB button. That scheme confused
> people and got them into K3 states which they didn't understand because
> they held the button too long, or not long enough. It was complained about
> over and over, enough that Elecraft changed how the SUB button worked for
> diversity mode on the K3 and then put the yellow DIV on the front panel
> lettering of the K3S, setting that scheme in concrete. So that's not going
> to change.
>
> Since the programming language has the LN command to link VFOs, DV for
> diversity, and the ability to simulate just about any button press, along
> with other commands, it should be possible to create a macro that does
> everything, link plus everything else you do using link, a superior single
> button press solution to the old scheme. The macro string can contain the
> command to set the sub RX to main RX frequency, to get around the sub RX
> going to the last frequency used on VFO B.
>
> With the ability to send macro strings from the function keys in N1MM, it
> is possible to create function key definitions which do everything from 
> the
> logger, by just importing a function key definition.
>
> Myself, I am very happy with the change, as is to this point anyone I know
> who uses the two RX in diversity. You might be the first to disagree I've
> heard.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have found this change pretty inconvenient because when getting out of
>> diversity mode I loose LINK state and has to go to the menu to change it
>> again. Besides in DIVERSITY mode I now cannot swap left and right audio
>> channels. Just wonder why such a limitation was implemented.
>>
>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>> To: "Paul VanOveren" <paulnf8j at gmail.com>; "elecraft reflector" <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linking VFO s
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Did you recently update the firmware?  It is now a CONFIG menu item.
>>> That was changed a few firmware releases back.  Check the release notes
>>> for several releases back.
>>>
>>> The problem was that many users were getting into VFO Link when they
>>> wanted to go into Diversity and created additional support activity both 
>>> on
>>> the reflector and at Elecraft customer support.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2016 11:10 AM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can not link the VFOS, an instantaneous push turns on the SUB 
>>>> receiver
>>>> ok, but anything longer that an instantaneous push, indicates DIVERSITY
>>>> on
>>>> the B display. There is no inbetween, where it would show Link or 
>>>> Unlink.
>>>> Is there some menu setting I am missing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul, NF8J
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
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From rick at tavan.com  Tue Jan 26 00:50:17 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:50:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 Remote] Scrolling VFO B Message "UPDATE K3 UTILITY"
Message-ID: <56A70919.5090107@tavan.com>

I just started up my K3-K3 RemoteRig setup and got E 040AA8 in the VFO A area and a perpetually scrolling, puzzling message "UPDATE K3 UTILITY" in the VFO B area. I power-cycled the rigs and all was well. I've had a number of other, similarly puzzling but different startup glitches recently involving an E message in VFO A and a loss of audio, also repairable by power cycling. I suspect it's a comm glitch, possibly not specifically related to K3 Remote components, but report it here in case it helps efforts to make the product more robust in the face of such errors.

73,

/Rick N6XI

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jan 26 04:13:23 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:13:23 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & fluorescence Dimmer Switches
Message-ID: <201601260913.u0Q9DNfB027571@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

We have no dimmers except the on/off dimmers called wall switches. ;-)

Re: LED's.  I have three CREE LED bulbs in my ham shack std ceiling 
light fixture with no RFI.  My wife is substituting out incandescent 
and bad CFL for LED's she found at Home Depot (not CREE - I think 
they are GE).  They also directly install in std light 
fixtures.  They are cylindrical in shape.  Also are not bothering the radios.

I have a desk fluorescent and garage has 30w tubes which do not seem 
to cause RFI.  The switching PS for our new Direct-TV satellite 
receiver throws out bad RFI on 2m.  Fortunately, I am usually in 
front of the TV most of the time it is on.  I will have to try 
clamp-on ferrites at some point.

I have a friend that acquired LED's from Costco and he is plagued 
with RFI from them (no idea of brand or model).  Definitely caveat 
emptor on converting to LED lighting if you are a ham.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
         Switches
Message-ID: <56A6CA47.7060900 at mediacombb.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

My simple (=cheaper) solution is to get rid of the dimmers all together.
How much is a good old fashioned light switch at the big three, $1.50,
two buck if you want a matching switch plate.
When we bought our house I replaced six dimmers. Didn't hear a peep from
"she who must be obeyed".
I have about that many CFL's to swap out for LED's. The garage
fluorescents will be a different story. They get to stay as long as they
stay radio quiet.



73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From crustacean at brig-elec.com  Tue Jan 26 10:08:40 2016
From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <54D3BE66-D891-41F8-AC40-44DFAF849103@me.com>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>
	<00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>
	<56A6CA47.7060900@mediacombb.net>
	<54D3BE66-D891-41F8-AC40-44DFAF849103@me.com>
Message-ID: <1453820920.3247.10.camel@arabica>

For what it's worth, when LEDs first became affordable I thought the
perfect place to try one out was in the garage door opener.  With all
the vibration and the constant cycling on and off every time the beam
was broken an LED bulb seemed like a perfect fit.  We ran into an issue
immediately.  When we opened the door in the morning to go to work, the
controller would turn on the light bulb.  The light bulb somehow
clobbered the receiver so we were unable to close the garage door with
the remote.  We would have to get out of the car and go into the garage
to use the push button then try to scamper out without breaking the
beam.  When we got home from work we would be able to open the door with
the remote.  The only time the remote didn?t work was when the the light
was on.  The wife was convinced the opener was going bad.  I got to be
the hero and fixed the opener, by replacing the light bulb.  That was
one of the easiest repairs I have done to that thing hi hi! 

John Pitz
KD8CIV


On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 17:57 -0800, David Ahrendts wrote:

> Thanks to all who have posted on this thread. Very informative. I have an entire house full of Lutron dimmers ? all servicing halogens ? circa 2001 design (pre-LED). And being a green guy with solar panels on the roof and plug-in hybrid, I was considering LEDs for the whole house. Will step very carefully now because of this discussion. Curious, does anyone have an example of LED noise recorded?
> 
> David Ahrendts, KK6DA (formerly KC0XT), LA
> 
> 
> > On Jan 25, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net> wrote:
> > 
> > My simple (=cheaper) solution is to get rid of the dimmers all together.
> > How much is a good old fashioned light switch at the big three, $1.50, two buck if you want a matching switch plate.
> > When we bought our house I replaced six dimmers. Didn't hear a peep from "she who must be obeyed".
> > I have about that many CFL's to swap out for LED's. The garage fluorescents will be a different story. They get to stay as long as they stay radio quiet.
> > 
> > On 1/25/2016 6:52 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> >> My simple (= cheep) solution is to simply turn off
> >> all dimmer controlled lights when I'm on the
> >> air.....
> >> For me, this is easy since there's only two in the
> >> whole house!
> >> 
> >> Charlie k3ICH
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > R. Kevin Stover
> > AC0H
> > ARRL
> > FISTS #11993
> > SKCC #215
> > NAQCC #3441
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Tue Jan 26 10:15:45 2016
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:15:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Key out delay for end of TX?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9ywSQ+hprXfzMP6g82WiHTbm12x8b9__McE4+sbeLNpJQ@mail.gmail.com>

There is a Keyout to RF out default (adjustable) delay of 8ms on the K3.

What is the spec for RF out going inactive to Keyout going inactive?

Thanks

Jim ab3cv

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jan 26 10:21:28 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:21:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Key out delay for end of TX?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9ywSQ+hprXfzMP6g82WiHTbm12x8b9__McE4+sbeLNpJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9ywSQ+hprXfzMP6g82WiHTbm12x8b9__McE4+sbeLNpJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A78EF8.4000705@blomand.net>

One issue I'm trying to resolve is a manner to keep the KEY OUT active 
in between CW elements.  This of course would negate QSK operation but 
the repeated clatter of an external relay is most annoying.

Any help or suggestions?


73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/26/2016 9:15 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> There is a Keyout to RF out default (adjustable) delay of 8ms on the K3.
>
> What is the spec for RF out going inactive to Keyout going inactive?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim ab3cv
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From kenk3iu at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 10:35:18 2016
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:35:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Key out delay for end of TX?
In-Reply-To: <56A78EF8.4000705@blomand.net>
References: <CACYeN9ywSQ+hprXfzMP6g82WiHTbm12x8b9__McE4+sbeLNpJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A78EF8.4000705@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <56A79236.4010403@cox.net>

Hi Bob:

You can just put the K3 in SEMI breakin  mode (Press hold 
QSK button on Band UP) and set the delay to whatever you 
want by adjusting the DELAY (press hold SPEED MIC and turn 
knob to adjust). I believe that should produce the result 
you are seeking.

73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 1/26/2016 10:21 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> One issue I'm trying to resolve is a manner to keep the 
> KEY OUT active in between CW elements.  This of course 
> would negate QSK operation but the repeated clatter of an 
> external relay is most annoying.
>
> Any help or suggestions?
>
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 1/26/2016 9:15 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> There is a Keyout to RF out default (adjustable) delay of 
>> 8ms on the K3.
>>
>> What is the spec for RF out going inactive to Keyout 
>> going inactive?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim ab3cv
>> ______________________________________________________________ 
>>
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From craig at powersmith.net  Tue Jan 26 10:38:31 2016
From: craig at powersmith.net (Craig Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:38:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <1453820920.3247.10.camel@arabica>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>
	<00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>
	<56A6CA47.7060900@mediacombb.net>
	<54D3BE66-D891-41F8-AC40-44DFAF849103@me.com>
	<1453820920.3247.10.camel@arabica>
Message-ID: <F7F7DB8D-3BC4-4E66-9D68-DFAAAF1D7DE5@powersmith.net>

Thanks for the garage door opener experience.   I had my door and opener replaced a few months ago.   The manual for the opener (Lift Master) specifically says not to use LED bulbs.   I was scratching my head over that but did use CFLs in the opener.  I asked the installer why that recommendation was there, and he said he didn?t know why LEDs couldn?t be used.   But, as your experience shows, it appears that it can indeed be a problem.   Probably the close proximity of the opener receiver to the poorly filtered (for some bulbs) switch-mode converters in the bulbs.

73  Craig   AC0DS


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 10:42:17 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:42:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Key out delay for end of TX?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9ywSQ+hprXfzMP6g82WiHTbm12x8b9__McE4+sbeLNpJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9ywSQ+hprXfzMP6g82WiHTbm12x8b9__McE4+sbeLNpJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3ydRGfxW33ksEBxJcgW_04wb7ESXG4AybYyPyyCdz8KA@mail.gmail.com>

A Winkey box or any of the other contest boxes using a Winkey chip in the
innards will allow a precise tailored delay that even incorporates the
keying speed. That takes care of the clatter of my 8410. I use the keyer in
the contest box instead of the one in the K3 because it can slightly delay
the key signal to insure no hot switching. The contest box supplies the PTT
signal for the amp and for external devices if needed.

73, Guy K2AV

On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> There is a Keyout to RF out default (adjustable) delay of 8ms on the K3.
>
> What is the spec for RF out going inactive to Keyout going inactive?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim ab3cv
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jan 26 10:43:14 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:43:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Key out delay for end of TX?
In-Reply-To: <56A79236.4010403@cox.net>
References: <CACYeN9ywSQ+hprXfzMP6g82WiHTbm12x8b9__McE4+sbeLNpJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A78EF8.4000705@blomand.net> <56A79236.4010403@cox.net>
Message-ID: <56A79412.10807@blomand.net>

WOW!  It works.   Thank you........I'd missed that one.  Geez, seems I 
can or need to learn something every day.  :-)

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163


On 1/26/2016 9:35 AM, Ken K3IU wrote:
> Hi Bob:
>
> You can just put the K3 in SEMI breakin  mode (Press hold QSK button 
> on Band UP) and set the delay to whatever you want by adjusting the 
> DELAY (press hold SPEED MIC and turn knob to adjust). I believe that 
> should produce the result you are seeking.
>
> 73, Ken K3IU
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> On 1/26/2016 10:21 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> One issue I'm trying to resolve is a manner to keep the KEY OUT 
>> active in between CW elements.  This of course would negate QSK 
>> operation but the repeated clatter of an external relay is most 
>> annoying.
>>
>> Any help or suggestions?
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>> On 1/26/2016 9:15 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>> There is a Keyout to RF out default (adjustable) delay of 8ms on the 
>>> K3.
>>>
>>> What is the spec for RF out going inactive to Keyout going inactive?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jim ab3cv
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From cautery at montac.com  Tue Jan 26 11:56:10 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:56:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <F7F7DB8D-3BC4-4E66-9D68-DFAAAF1D7DE5@powersmith.net>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>
	<00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>
	<56A6CA47.7060900@mediacombb.net>
	<54D3BE66-D891-41F8-AC40-44DFAF849103@me.com>
	<1453820920.3247.10.camel@arabica>
	<F7F7DB8D-3BC4-4E66-9D68-DFAAAF1D7DE5@powersmith.net>
Message-ID: <56A7A52A.9060909@montac.com>

Wonder if it's "OK" to use "quality" LED bulbs and get away with it? 
I've got the full Lift Master setup...  I'll check the two types of LEDs
I have (one CREE based, the other not) and see if it impacts the remote
opener's ability to function.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/26/2016 9:38 AM, Craig Smith wrote:
> Thanks for the garage door opener experience.   I had my door and opener replaced a few months ago.   The manual for the opener (Lift Master) specifically says not to use LED bulbs.   I was scratching my head over that but did use CFLs in the opener.  I asked the installer why that recommendation was there, and he said he didn?t know why LEDs couldn?t be used.   But, as your experience shows, it appears that it can indeed be a problem.   Probably the close proximity of the opener receiver to the poorly filtered (for some bulbs) switch-mode converters in the bulbs.
>
> 73  Craig   AC0DS
>
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From JBaumgarte at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 12:58:16 2016
From: JBaumgarte at aol.com (JBaumgarte at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:58:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 Remote] Scrolling VFO B Message "UPDATE K3
	UTILITY"
Message-ID: <7595a0.759eb683.43d90db7@aol.com>

I also use a K3-K3 RemoteRig system.  Haven't had the problem Rick  
describes, but have had the system suddenly turn off the receiver on all  bands.  
Power-cycled and no change (tx functions all work).   Accidentally hit the 
shift knob and suddenly audio returned!   Happened  a second time a few days 
later and just slight movement on the  shift returned to normal!  I did note 
that the shift function had  dramatically and mysteriously moved.  The first 
time this happened I did  upgrade to latest OS, but did not upgrade the RRC 
boxes.  Anyone else see  anything like this?
73
John, N0IJ
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2016 11:53:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
rick at tavan.com writes:

I just  started up my K3-K3 RemoteRig setup and got E 040AA8 in the VFO A 
area and a  perpetually scrolling, puzzling message "UPDATE K3 UTILITY" in 
the VFO B area.  I power-cycled the rigs and all was well. I've had a number 
of other,  similarly puzzling but different startup glitches recently 
involving an E  message in VFO A and a loss of audio, also repairable by power 
cycling. I  suspect it's a comm glitch, possibly not specifically related to K3 
Remote  components, but report it here in case it helps efforts to make the 
product  more robust in the face of such errors.

73,

/Rick  N6XI
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Jan 26 13:41:56 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:41:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 not working after PA upgrade
In-Reply-To: <02fc01d157b9$523b7690$f6b263b0$@ca.rr.com>
References: <02fc01d157b9$523b7690$f6b263b0$@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <93835222-66B3-4561-B026-E19BE91FE5CF@me.com>

Pin 9? The KRC2 Auxbus connection is on pin 6. Use pin 5 for the ground connection. If you used pin 1 for ground that should work also.

The 100 watt amplifier should have no affect on KRC2 operation, recheck your internal cabling to make sure everything is OK, and recheck the Aux IO cabling.
It should be:
K3 Aux IO: Pin 2 ? KRC2 pin 6
K3 Aux IO: Pin 5 or 12  ? KRC2 pin 5

Make sure the W jumpers are set properly. If you are connecting the K3 to the KRC2?s XCVR port, be sure that W16 is installed. In general you can remove Ws 17-23. 
That is all that is needed.

Power cycling the KRC2 should have no effect on the K3. If you have changed W1-8, power cycling will have affect on the KRC2, however.

Give me details of your setup and I?ll work with you to get things going.

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering


> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Dave Glenn <glenn.d at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I recently had the 100 Watt amp added to my K3. 
> 
> I went to set it up with and use with my transverters and KRC2 menu item
> shows - 
> 
> Cabling looks good going from 15 pin on the K3 to the 9 on the KRC2.
> 
> 
> 
> If I power cycle the KRC2 while the K3 is on it shows Turn On PA and is
> locked up. 
> 
> 
> 
> Is there some setting I have forgotten?   
> 
> Tnx, Dave N6TEB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From w0eb at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 14:46:09 2016
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:46:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: need a 250 gig IDE HD?
Message-ID: <86B5624E-5E1F-445E-9F92-E893E21BB2D4@cox.net>

Anybody need a 250 gigabyte IDE (not ATA) hard drive?  I have an essentially new Western Digital WD2500JB "Caviar", IDE, 3.5" hard drive.  This has never been installed or partitioned.

It was sent to me by mistake and I was told to keep it when they replaced it with an eSATA drive of the same size.

$25 gets it shipped to you anywhere in the U.S.

Contact me off the reflector if you want it.  First "I'll take it" (by date/time on the email) gets right of first refusal.  

Jim, W0EB
w0eb at cox.net

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jan 26 15:22:31 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:22:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <56A7A52A.9060909@montac.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10113i-6A2F8802982A4F7E9F38FE33C38747CB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

FWIW, we have an old Lift Master 1/2 Horsepower garage door 
opener. It's manual said not to use CFLs (it is too old to know 
about LEDs). I tried CFLs anyway. They lasted less than 2 weeks 
before they died.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From w0eb at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 15:30:25 2016
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:30:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  250 gig Hard Drive
Message-ID: <E9237C2B-B3DC-462E-9DD1-FA819A1ABDA6@cox.net>

The hard drive has been sold.

Sent from my iPad

From craig at powersmith.net  Tue Jan 26 15:48:17 2016
From: craig at powersmith.net (Craig Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:48:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10113i-6A2F8802982A4F7E9F38FE33C38747CB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-6A2F8802982A4F7E9F38FE33C38747CB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <2FC07C53-0BCC-4DFE-92F0-C4123357EB6A@powersmith.net>

Thanks, Bill.    I have the newer DC motor with Battery Backup Liftmaster, but I?m guessing the receivers might be similar.   Interestingly, in the new manual they actually recommend CFLs but warn against LED.  Obviously the front end of their receiver is not designed to Elecraft standards   ;>)

73  Craig   AC0DS


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jan 26 15:59:40 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:59:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <2FC07C53-0BCC-4DFE-92F0-C4123357EB6A@powersmith.net>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-6A2F8802982A4F7E9F38FE33C38747CB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<2FC07C53-0BCC-4DFE-92F0-C4123357EB6A@powersmith.net>
Message-ID: <56A7DE3C.6070704@blomand.net>

If you choose to use incandescent lamps in the garage door opener, 
choose the "heavy duty vibration resistant" bulbs.   These can also be 
found labeled as "ceiling fan" bulbs.  Seems that they have 3 or 4 wires 
supporting the filament as opposed to only two wires for the standard bulb.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/26/2016 2:48 PM, Craig Smith wrote:
> Thanks, Bill.    I have the newer DC motor with Battery Backup Liftmaster, but I?m guessing the receivers might be similar.   Interestingly, in the new manual they actually recommend CFLs but warn against LED.  Obviously the front end of their receiver is not designed to Elecraft standards   ;>)
>
> 73  Craig   AC0DS
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From w0cz at i29.net  Tue Jan 26 16:09:22 2016
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:09:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <F7F7DB8D-3BC4-4E66-9D68-DFAAAF1D7DE5@powersmith.net>
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>
	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>
	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>
	<00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>
	<56A6CA47.7060900@mediacombb.net>
	<54D3BE66-D891-41F8-AC40-44DFAF849103@me.com>
	<1453820920.3247.10.camel@arabica>
	<F7F7DB8D-3BC4-4E66-9D68-DFAAAF1D7DE5@powersmith.net>
Message-ID: <C8F30DA8-354B-429E-8669-50B1C2892410@i29.net>

Hi to the group
I have a 40 year old Sears chain drive door opener with two Cree led bulbs. They have been there for over 2 years with no problem using the remote. Every bulb in my house except the oven and refrigerator has been replaced by Cree led bulbs. I have run my K3 and P3 on each antenna on battery power with main AC off than turned everything on in order and no change in noise level. I consider myself lucky.
Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Craig Smith <craig at powersmith.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the garage door opener experience.   I had my door and opener replaced a few months ago.   The manual for the opener (Lift Master) specifically says not to use LED bulbs.   I was scratching my head over that but did use CFLs in the opener.  I asked the installer why that recommendation was there, and he said he didn?t know why LEDs couldn?t be used.   But, as your experience shows, it appears that it can indeed be a problem.   Probably the close proximity of the opener receiver to the poorly filtered (for some bulbs) switch-mode converters in the bulbs.
> 
> 73  Craig   AC0DS
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Jan 26 16:30:04 2016
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:30:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
In-Reply-To: <56A7DE3C.6070704@blomand.net>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-6A2F8802982A4F7E9F38FE33C38747CB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<2FC07C53-0BCC-4DFE-92F0-C4123357EB6A@powersmith.net>
	<56A7DE3C.6070704@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <56A7E55C.2060304@kanafi.org>

On 1/26/2016 12:59 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> If you choose to use incandescent lamps in the garage door opener,
> choose the "heavy duty vibration resistant" bulbs.   These can also be
> found labeled as "ceiling fan" bulbs.  Seems that they have 3 or 4 wires
> supporting the filament as opposed to only two wires for the standard bulb.

They are also called "Rough Service" bulbs.  For years I thought that
that was "rough surface" from the bulb's coating.  No RFI from them AFAICT.

At home I use  a remote-controlled light dimmer for a table lamp.  It's
a double threat - the remote Part 15 and the dimmer electronics.  After
ruining one with an LED I RTFM that said "incandescent only".  I then
found a similar dimmer at a specialty lighting store that was certified
for LEDs.  It was also necessary to get a dimmable LED - not all are.  I
tried it out at the store to make sure that it would work together.

The upshot is that I cannot detect any RFI even though the lamp is in
the next room.  Of course, with the high HF noise level here, it may
just be masked.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 17:29:41 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:29:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR02MB113854CDD370B4FD679893BBB6C70@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLUPR02MB113854CDD370B4FD679893BBB6C70@BLUPR02MB1138.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003d01d15889$0cd90c90$268b25b0$@earthlink.net>

The link below is wrong. It should be:
http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Service-Support/Pages/Technical/Design-Selection
Tools/LEDDimmerMatrix.aspx

73
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:06 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers




GA Jim,

I am in search of replacing over 100 dimmers in our house due to an
excavating incident where the neutral was pulled out. I have had direct
contact with Lutron's tech service where I expressed my concern for both rfi
caused by the dimmers and interference to the dimmers caused by my station.

Fwiw here is the reply (the images didn't copy but were just sine wave
representations of operation)  - I went with one of their recommendations

73

Jerry, k1tgx

Good afternoon Jerry,

When dimming you can experience interference with sensitive audio equipment
depending upon the type of dimmer and type of bulb you are controlling. The
way a dimmer dims is by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second.
Based upon the on time of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer
light. Less on time = dimmer light because the lights are not running as
long each cycle.

Any forward phase dimming control, could result in a feedback into audio
equipment due to the way that dimming signal works. The way a dimmer dims is
by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second. Based upon the on time
of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer light. Less on time =
dimmer light because the lights are not running as long each cycle.

During this rapid cycling with a forward phase control, there is a spike
present before the dimmer turns on each time; we call this repetitive peak
(see illustration #1). When controlling incandescent or halogen bulbs you
normally will never experience misbehaviors because these bulbs are
resistive in nature and act like a filter for the line, suppressing the
repetitive peak. On the other hand, LEDs are capacitive and can greatly
increase this repetitive peak, resulting in misbehaviors, buzzing or
interference. However, since reverse phase or ELV controls dimming signals
are completely opposite than forward phase signals the buzzing is greatly
reduced if not completely eliminated (see illustration #2). There are two
things to be aware of with ELV controls, 1) these types of controls require
a neutral connection to be present at the location of installation (bundle
of white wires connected together). 2) These controls are normally 2 to 3
times to cost of standard incandescent  or LED dimmers.

Illustration #1



Illustration #2


You can view our LED selection tool at
www.lutron.com/ledtool<http://www.lutron.com/ledtool>. This LED selection
tool will allow you to generate a list of compatible LED products for all of
our LED rated dimming controls. You will all be able to access a testing
report for each of the LEDs listed here. The report will provide you with a
list of all the dimmers we can recommend for that LED, the amount of LEDs
each dimmer can control and the dimming range you will experience.

If looking for ELV solutions on our LED selection tool, select "reverse
phase" from the control technology menu. Also, here is a list of ELV
controls that we can recommend for use with LED products.

*             MRF2-6ELV-120
*             RRD-6NA
*             HQRD-6NA
*             PHPM-WBX-DV-WH
*             PHPM-PA-DV-WH
*             LP-RPM-4A-120
*             HW-RPM-4A-120

Please let me know if you have any questions

Sincerely,
Matt Rehrig
Lutron Support
Lutron Electronics, Inc.
www.lutron.com<http://www.lutron.com>
MR
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From jbammi at mac.com  Tue Jan 26 17:50:14 2016
From: jbammi at mac.com (JWAHAR BAMMI)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:50:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DCHF-200 Directional Coupler Documentation
Message-ID: <C8D1BB03-1465-4A30-B5DC-88DF274F8E50@mac.com>

I cannot seem to find any documentation on the DCHF-200 Directional Coupler on the elecraft site. Looking for the pinout on the RJ-xx connector, and also looking for the specs on the coupler performance (mainline loss, coupling, return loss etc vs frequency)  Any pointers much appreciated.

73 de kc1ccr

From jim at jtmiller.com  Tue Jan 26 19:22:43 2016
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:22:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
Message-ID: <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw@mail.gmail.com>

According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.

Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
activation of the RX antenna?

73
jim ab3cv

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 26 20:13:18 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A819AE.2040106@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

I don't know about the RX ant (it may be confined to ANT1/ANT2), but 
give it a try and let us all know the results.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/26/2016 7:22 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
>
>


From widelitz at gte.net  Tue Jan 26 20:18:16 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:18:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Save SVGA state via USB
Message-ID: <000001d158a0$9a43c7c0$cecb5740$@gte.net>

I have entered a number of macros and got them working with the Genovation
keyboard per Dave, NK7Z's tutorial. I want to move them to my 2nd P3. I've
used two USB thumb drives. I select the SVGA Usav, press the select know,
the screen shows saving to USB drive, but no file appears on the drive. I
also have a USB switch to move the Genovation keyboard to the 2nd P3. That
appears not to work either. Connecting the Genovation directly to the USB
port does work. I see in the manual a note that with regard to USB drives,
"some will not work."

 

One peculiar result of unplugging the USB drive is the SVGA display becomes
upside down. That is, the "grass" comes from the top of the screen down and
the waterfall is almost solid. Cycling the power fixes that problem.

 

Has anyone discovered a particular brand of USB thumb drive that does work?
Any thoughts on why the USB switch doesn't work?

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

 


From widelitz at gte.net  Tue Jan 26 21:02:10 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:02:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
Message-ID: <000701d158a6$bc1cbb30$34563190$@gte.net>

I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file was saved
to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my other
P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't have the
cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB devices
before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any event, I am
a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used with
the next firmware release.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 


From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 21:38:19 2016
From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:38:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1858354690.601364.1453862299858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M. ?That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna? ?You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button. ? That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp; ?select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
Dick, K8ZTT
 

      From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
   
According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.

Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
activation of the RX antenna?

73
jim ab3cv
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From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 22:00:46 2016
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:00:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
In-Reply-To: <1858354690.601364.1453862299858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1858354690.601364.1453862299858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B8C30D0-1FBB-4AE8-9808-A8B459DA7AFE@gmail.com>

I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern. 

Jim ab3cv

On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:

You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M.  That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna?  You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button.   That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).

FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp;  select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,

Dick, K8ZTT



From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question

According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.

Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
activation of the RX antenna?

73
jim ab3cv
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jan 26 22:04:36 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:04:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Faint clicking sound in headphones
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W675F4E02C4534D9CAA32D591C70@phx.gbl>
References: <COL131-W675F4E02C4534D9CAA32D591C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56A833C4.6080605@blomand.net>

I hear something which is very slight in QSK mode but not in SEMI mode.  
My observation is that it is "very" slight.  Headphones with higher 
sensitivity may be more prone to exacerbate the the click. I speculate 
it is the leading edge AGC recovery in between CW elements.  Being on a 
dummy load, there would be no AGC transition to noise as would appear 
with noise from the antenna.

If you think it is RF related, turn the PWR down to 1 watt or operate in 
TEST mode.  I suspect however it is switching related and not RF related.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/25/2016 9:44 AM, Mike Weir wrote:
> Just today I notice a  faint clicking noise when using my headphones and only when the AF is turned up not when all the way down, here is my setup.....Elecraft k3, Begali key into a Winkeyer USB and the menu key weight setting in the K3 is 1.10
> Here is what I have tried to fix the issue with no success:
> 1. Tried different headphones.
> 2. Snap on chokes on headphone cord.
> 3. Removed Winkeyer and plugged key into rear of K3.
> 4. Tried a different key plugged it into Winkeyer and just to rear of K3.
> 5. Tried on Dummy load and clicking is gone.
> 6. Check all connections to make sure they are tight.
> 7. Tried my KX3 using same key and antenna and no clicks.
> 8. The clicking is happening on all bands.
> I believe that is all I tried and I am at a loss as to what it could be, I'm hopping it's something simple that I have overlooked.
> Thanks in advance for your help
> Mike
> VE3WDM
>
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From widelitz at gte.net  Tue Jan 26 23:16:18 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:16:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
Message-ID: <001801d158b9$78f214a0$6ad63de0$@gte.net>

It seems that if you toggle a USB device on the P3, it loses its knowledge
of the USB device and doesn't recognize the device when it is toggled back
UNLESS the SVGA is in data display mode. IMHO this is a firmware bug.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 


From ebasilier at cox.net  Wed Jan 27 01:00:13 2016
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:00:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 roofing filters
Message-ID: <034401d158c7$fd2f5990$f78e0cb0$@cox.net>

After reconfiguring my K3 I have the following roofing filters for sale:

 

6 kHz     $90         one available

1.8 kHz $90         two available

500 Hz  $60         one available      offset -0.75

 

Shipping is additional, and would be by Priority Mail Small Box where
applicable (typically $6.80 in the U.S. if $50 insurance is considered
sufficient)

 

73,

Erik K7TV


From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jan 27 01:37:23 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:37:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
In-Reply-To: <000701d158a6$bc1cbb30$34563190$@gte.net>
References: <000701d158a6$bc1cbb30$34563190$@gte.net>
Message-ID: <1453876643.3301.8.camel@nk7z.net>

I too am looking forward to the next release of P3 software, and hoping
it contains the changes which allow P3 macros to be sent to the P3, via
the P3 USB port.
-- 
73's, and thanks,
Dave

For software/hardware reviews see:
http://www.nk7z.net

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https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info

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http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info



On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 18:02 -0800, Ken Widelitz wrote:
> I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file
> was saved
> to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my
> other
> P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't
> have the
> cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB
> devices
> before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any
> event, I am
> a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used
> with
> the next firmware release.
> 
> ?
> 
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 03:03:43 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:03:43 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
In-Reply-To: <4B8C30D0-1FBB-4AE8-9808-A8B459DA7AFE@gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1858354690.601364.1453862299858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4B8C30D0-1FBB-4AE8-9808-A8B459DA7AFE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB518473-B3B2-46CE-A0C3-9A459F3B2F79@gmail.com>

DIGOUT1 isn't affected by RX ANT, or at least it wasn't when I used it to control an external amp some time ago. But a voltmeter will tell you for sure.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On 27 Jan 2016, at 5:00 AM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern. 
> 
> Jim ab3cv
> 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M.  That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna?  You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button.   That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
> 
> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp;  select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
> 
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> 
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
> 
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
> 
> 73
> jim ab3cv
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From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 27 12:23:31 2016
From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:23:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
In-Reply-To: <DB518473-B3B2-46CE-A0C3-9A459F3B2F79@gmail.com>
References: <DB518473-B3B2-46CE-A0C3-9A459F3B2F79@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1052025222.915205.1453915411120.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Jim,
I would think you could create a macro to accomplish this. ?The commands would be SWT25;BN00; ?this would turn on the RX ANT, change the band to 160M. ? You could add additional commands to the string to set more options (like Split up 2 or 5 or whatever floats your boat.
The one thing to remember is the SWT25 command toggles the RX ANT on or off; unlike some other commands (like BN00), it does not "set" the position (if you to send the SWT25;BN00; Macro a second time, the band (160M) would stay the same, but the RX ANT would now turn off.
Additionally, when you send a band change command (like BN00, BN01, BN02, etc.), you need a 300 ms delay before sending another command in the string. ?Other than inserting one or two semicolons after the BNxx command, before additional commands, the easiest approach might be to put the BNxx; command last in the string.
Dick, K8ZTT







> On 27 Jan 2016, at 5:00 AM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern. 
> 
> Jim ab3cv
> 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M.? That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna?? You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button.? That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
> 
> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp;? select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
> 
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> 
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
> 
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
> 
> 73
> jim ab3cv
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 27 12:28:01 2016
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:28:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
In-Reply-To: <001801d158b9$78f214a0$6ad63de0$@gte.net>
References: <001801d158b9$78f214a0$6ad63de0$@gte.net>
Message-ID: <1453915681118-7613182.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Ken, 

I don't understand what you mean by 'toggle a USB device'.  The P3/SVGA
board will enumerate a USB keyboard or thumb drive even if the SVGA en is
turned off (the display is turned off) OR data display mode is turned off. 
I just checked.    You can verify that by opening up the P3 and looking on
the SVGA card.  Whenever a USB device is correctly enumerated, the LED
toward the connector will light solid. 

Kind regards, 

Paul





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From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 27 12:32:04 2016
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:32:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
In-Reply-To: <000701d158a6$bc1cbb30$34563190$@gte.net>
References: <000701d158a6$bc1cbb30$34563190$@gte.net>
Message-ID: <1453915924725-7613183.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Ken, 

I am not familiar with the USB switch but if it is electronic and not
mechanical there could be an issue since the SVGA USB port is limited as to
what it can support.  For example it does not support a hub or really
anything except a USB thumb drive and/or keyboard.  

-Paul



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From widelitz at gte.net  Wed Jan 27 12:37:16 2016
From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:37:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
In-Reply-To: <1453915681118-7613182.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <001801d158b9$78f214a0$6ad63de0$@gte.net>
	<1453915681118-7613182.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <002001d15929$5e4079b0$1ac16d10$@gte.net>

Hi Paul,

 

My experience with the P3 SVGA is that the Genovation USB keypad will not
work unless data mode is on. 

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 


From glenn.d at ca.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 12:39:39 2016
From: glenn.d at ca.rr.com (Dave Glenn)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:39:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the internal K144xv to feed other transverters.
Message-ID: <055201d15929$b34bb730$19e32590$@ca.rr.com>

I have the internal 2 meter transverter.  I would like to use it to feed my
other transverters for 2, 3, 5 and 10ghz. 

However, when setting it up in the K3 I don't see that I can drive a
transverter from a transverter. 

Has anyone tried this before?  The XV RF setting only goes up to 50mhz and I
don't see how I could feed one from another. 

 

Dave N6TEB


From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 12:40:16 2016
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Filters
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=uaajffFPXQ-gQtSjYSd_f414C+-m+NJDJ3XNgna6_XHg@mail.gmail.com>

 K3 filters for sale:

KFLA3A-6K  $105 shipped.

KBPF3A  General coverage  $140 shipped.

Shipped to CONUS only, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

 Thanks and 73,

 Joe  N9VX

From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 27 13:05:52 2016
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:05:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
In-Reply-To: <002001d15929$5e4079b0$1ac16d10$@gte.net>
References: <001801d158b9$78f214a0$6ad63de0$@gte.net>
	<1453915681118-7613182.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<002001d15929$5e4079b0$1ac16d10$@gte.net>
Message-ID: <56A90700.7010502@elecraft.com>

Hi Ken,

Yes, the USB keyboard is not active when not in data display mode. I 
realize that folks are using the Genovation  keypad as means of 
executing macros to control the K3 (and soon the P3), however the USB 
keyboard port was designed for data.

-Paul

Paul Saffren - N6HZ
Project Manager
Elecraft Inc.
www.elecraft.com



From a45wg at sy-edm.com  Wed Jan 27 13:51:20 2016
From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:51:20 +0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
Message-ID: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>

Fellow Hams,
		     I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been marvelling at it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator - and them I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying the awesome RX/TX on this radio?.

	I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) - on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully understand and accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.

	It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW ? How about Data Modes ??

	I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found flexible and worthwhile.


	OS for PC: 	
			Linux or Mac - NOT Windows

	Many thanks for taking the time to read this


	Regards

			Tim - A45WG


From n4kd at bellsouth.net  Wed Jan 27 14:39:35 2016
From: n4kd at bellsouth.net (David Kuechenmeister)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:39:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Input Pin?
References: <237536816.1071367.1453923575164.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <237536816.1071367.1453923575164.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I was looking for a way to automatically reduce power when operating on batteries. It seems like another transceiver I once owned had a pin that, when grounded would reduce output power to conserve batteries.
I don't see any handy way to do this with the K3, other than crank down the power...
It looks like all the ACC pins are defined, so except for making one of them a programmable I/O pin, I think I'm out of luck. Is there anyone else interested in a programmable input pin that could be tied to a macro command?
vy 73,Dave N4KD

From rick at tavan.com  Wed Jan 27 14:50:56 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:50:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>
References: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONAJMosGu5wDRfpQe_0hhkqg_dAz-j8Usiok1PG6ii14xTg@mail.gmail.com>

You need to consider several separate aspects of radio automation. Assuming
you are operating with one radio, consider these:

   - Operating System: There are logging programs for Linux and MacOS but
   your choices are much more limited than with Windows. When I switched from
   Windows to MacOS, I tried Snookum Logger but found it primitive compared to
   Windows offerings. There are other possibilities that I know nothing about.
   At this point I run a virtual Windows machine on my Macbook Pro under
   VMware Fusion. It's complicated but it works.
   - Rig Control: Connect either an RS232 cable or USB cable from your
   computer to the K3s. Tell your logging program the COM port number (or
   identify the USB connection to MacOS) and characteristics (typically
   38400-N-8-1) and then the logger will track the radio's frequency and mode.
   You can also type in a frequency and most loggers will send the rig there.
   Not all of them, though.
   - CW Keying: Although you can key the K3s through the same serial port
   that you use for rig control, I advise against it because unrelated load on
   your computer can sometimes result in "stuttering" - poor keying. Instead,
   I like to use an external keyer and the WinKeyer USB is a very good choice.
   It connects to your computer via a USB cable, to your paddle and to the the
   K3s Key In connector. It forms dots and dashes outside the computer and
   works very well for both computer and manual sending. Some people prefer to
   connect the paddle to the K3 PADDLE input to provide separate speed control
   for manual and computer sending. (I use two paddles, one through the
   external keyer and one direct to the K3.)
   - Voice Messages: If you operate phone, you may want to automate contest
   messages, especially CQ, Exchange and Thanks. If you have the K3s internal
   voice keyer, you can use that, provided your logging program supports it.
   If not, you can let your logger generate voice messages and transfer them
   to the K3 via a sound card. It is best to use an external sound card rather
   than the one inside the computer in order to avoid computer sound effects
   getting transmitted. The Griffen iMic card is simple and inexpensive. (The
   Asus Xonar family are more sophisticated and probably "better." I don't
   have mine working yet.) There are dozens of alternatives. You can plug into
   K3 Line In and leave your live microphone connected to front or rear MIC In
   connectors.
   - Data Modes: The quickest way to get here is to connect a pair of 3.5mm
   phone cables between an external sound card and the K3 Line In and Line Out
   connectors. Run AFSK or PSK with appropriate software. Many prefer FSK
   which requires a cable from a serial port (or carefully chosen
   USB-to-Serial adapter) to the FSK line on the K3 ACC connector. You can
   also use a Signalink or other multi-function interface box, but it's not
   required and won't be any simpler. It might save some cable swapping when
   changing between voice and data modes, depending on the box and how you set
   things up.

There are lots of "moving parts" and patience is a virtue. Consider the
project of getting it all working to be part of your pursuit of ham radio.
Take it one piece at a time and enjoy each individual success.

If you operate two radios (SO2R), it's more complicated. ;-)

GL & 73,

/Rick N6XI

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:51 AM, a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com> wrote:

> Fellow Hams,
>                      I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been
> marvelling at it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator -
> and them I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying
> the awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
>
>         I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here)
> - on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some
> steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can
> automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully understand and
> accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.
>
>         It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for
> CW ? How about Data Modes ??
>
>         I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things
> simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found
> flexible and worthwhile.
>
>
>         OS for PC:
>                         Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>
>         Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>
>
>         Regards
>
>                         Tim - A45WG
>
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From lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 27 15:17:38 2016
From: lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net (Larry Boekeloo)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:17:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 10 Meters
References: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

My K3 is rather "deaf" on 10 and I was wondering how significant the KSYN3A synthesizer board would be at improving that?? Is it worth the money?
Anyone have experience with that?
Thanks.
Larry, KN8N

From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jan 27 15:25:27 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:25:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 10 Meters
In-Reply-To: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1453926327.2116.19.camel@nk7z.net>

Hi,
I noticed no change in RX sensitivity, but I did not test for that
either. ?I did however notice a very big difference in adjacent signal
interference...

See:

http://nk7z.net/wiki/elecraft-k3-macros/elecraft-k3-xlr-to-radio/elecra
ft-k3-new-synthesizer/

for some P3 graphs of the difference in both transmit, and receive... ?

For me the addition of the new synths was a godsend as I have a ham
living just 700 feet from me. ?He now has a K3 as well, and with new
synths as well... ?

Neither he, nor I, even know the other is active unless we get within
about 10 KHz of each other now... ?See the graphs to see the
difference.

-- 
73's, and thanks,
Dave

For software/hardware reviews see:
http://www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info

For SSTV help see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info



On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 20:17 +0000, Larry Boekeloo wrote:
> My K3 is rather "deaf" on 10 and I was wondering how significant the
> KSYN3A synthesizer board would be at improving that?? Is it worth the
> money?
> Anyone have experience with that?
> Thanks.
> Larry, KN8N
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From elecraft at g4fre.com  Wed Jan 27 15:32:02 2016
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:32:02 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the internal K144xv to feed other
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16679.1453924268.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.16679.1453924268.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <001801d15941$c87656c0$59630440$@com>

I have been doing this for years now for 1296 through 24048Mhz

Quote from the K3 manual XV RF:  "But if the K144XV is being used as an IF
for a higher-band
transverter, you can set it to the lower edge of the higher band.

For example for 1296MHz I Set the XVn ADR to int trn1 and XV RF to 1296

Dave
WW2R

 I have the internal 2 meter transverter.  I would like to use it to feed my
other transverters for 2, 3, 5 and 10ghz. 

However, when setting it up in the K3 I don't see that I can drive a
transverter from a transverter. 

Has anyone tried this before?  The XV RF setting only goes up to 50mhz and I
don't see how I could feed one from another. 

 

Dave N6TEB




From cozzicon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 15:35:03 2016
From: cozzicon at gmail.com (Michael Cozzi)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Flex 6500....
Message-ID: <56A929F7.5080508@gmail.com>


     Hi everyone.

     I'm already an Elecraft customer and own a KPA500 which is driven 
by an Apache ANAN 100D. This rig works wonderfully.

     I'm at a quandary and trying to decide between a K3S or a Flex 6500 
for a second operating position in my shack.

     If there's someone who owns both rigs, and feels like being of 
assistance, please feel free to e-mail me directly. I'd like to keep 
this off list for obvious reasons....

     Thanks in advance!

--
Michael- KD8TUT

From rthorne at rthorne.net  Wed Jan 27 15:41:08 2016
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:41:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 10 Meters
In-Reply-To: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A92B64.4010404@rthorne.net>

What you need is the updated KXV3B.

I upgraded from the KXV3A.  The B version includes 2 preamps for 12,10 
and 6 meters.

I've noticed a significant improvement on 10m.

Rich - N5ZC

On 1/27/2016 2:17 PM, Larry Boekeloo wrote:
> My K3 is rather "deaf" on 10 and I was wondering how significant the KSYN3A synthesizer board would be at improving that?  Is it worth the money?
> Anyone have experience with that?
> Thanks.
> Larry, KN8N
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan 27 15:58:49 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:58:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAJMosGu5wDRfpQe_0hhkqg_dAz-j8Usiok1PG6ii14xTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>
	<CANVONAJMosGu5wDRfpQe_0hhkqg_dAz-j8Usiok1PG6ii14xTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A92F89.1090601@blomand.net>

Regarding this point, to me the easiest way to run Data modes is to 
simply use the USB connection between the radio K3S and the computer USB 
port.  No box, no USB to Serial adapter or other cables required.  I use 
FLDIGI and it handles CAT control of the radio and data/audio.  Set the 
CONFIG menu RS232 to USB and not RS-232 which is the default as I 
recall.  No cable swapping when changing modes, SSB, CW or digital.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 1/27/2016 1:50 PM, Rick Tavan wrote:
>    - Data Modes: The quickest way to get here is to connect a pair of 3.5mm
>     phone cables between an external sound card and the K3 Line In and Line Out
>     connectors. Run AFSK or PSK with appropriate software. Many prefer FSK
>     which requires a cable from a serial port (or carefully chosen
>     USB-to-Serial adapter) to the FSK line on the K3 ACC connector. You can
>     also use a Signalink or other multi-function interface box, but it's not
>     required and won't be any simpler. It might save some cable swapping when
>     changing between voice and data modes, depending on the box and how you set
>     things up.



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan 27 16:20:04 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:20:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>
References: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <56A93484.8000609@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,1/27/2016 10:51 AM, a45wg wrote:
>   best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can automate some of the repetition of contest work

Welcome back to contesting. Like you, I started contesting as a 
teenager, drifted in and out of ham radio several times in 60 years, and 
have been quite active for the last 13 years. N6XI has given you great 
advice. I'll only add to it.

First, unless you want to spend your time with computer issues, stick 
with Windoze -- pickin's for software get slim in other OSs. For 
day-to-day logging, use DXKeeper, which does everything anyone might 
need. It's part of a FREEWARE suite of programs. Very mature, bug free, 
well supported. Supports LOTW and eQSL almost automatically once you're 
set up.

For contest logging, go with N1MM Logger Plus, also FREEWARE, and well 
supported. The only viable alternatives, WriteLog and WinTest cost 
money. N1MM is superior to WriteLog. Some swear by WinTest.

For digital interfaces, see http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

For a tutorial on grounding and bonding in your home and shack, see 
http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From w3gy at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 16:27:56 2016
From: w3gy at aol.com (W3GY)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:27:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 141, Issue 38
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16679.1453924268.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.16679.1453924268.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <91F45A00-58B7-4B3B-8DB5-BA0DF45C7091@aol.com>




Jack McCann
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. OT: need a 250 gig IDE HD? (Jim Sheldon)
>   2. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
>      (Bill Frantz)
>   3. OT:  250 gig Hard Drive (Jim Sheldon)
>   4. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
>      (Craig Smith)
>   5. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
>      (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>   6. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
>      (Kenneth Christiansen)
>   7. Re: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
>      (Phil Kane)
>   8. Re: FW: Lutron dimmers (Fred Townsend)
>   9. DCHF-200 Directional Coupler Documentation (JWAHAR BAMMI)
>  10. K3S DIGOUT1 question (Jim Miller)
>  11. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (Don Wilhelm)
>  12. P3 Save SVGA state via USB (Ken Widelitz)
>  13. P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working (Ken Widelitz)
>  14. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (RIchard Williams)
>  15. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (Jim Miller)
>  16. Re: Faint clicking sound in headphones (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  17. P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Ken Widelitz)
>  18. For Sale: K3 roofing filters (Erik Basilier)
>  19. Re: P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working (Dave Cole)
>  20. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (Vic Rosenthal)
>  21. Re: K3S DIGOUT1 question (RIchard Williams)
>  22. Re: P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
>  23. Re: P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
>      (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
>  24. Re: P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Ken Widelitz)
>  25. Using the internal K144xv to feed other transverters. (Dave Glenn)
>  26. For Sale: K3 Filters (Joe Word)
>  27. Re: P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution (Paul Saffren)
>  28. K3-S - CW Keying for Contests (a45wg)
>  29. Digital Input Pin? (David Kuechenmeister)
>  30. Re: K3-S - CW Keying for Contests (Rick Tavan)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:46:09 -0600
> From: Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: need a 250 gig IDE HD?
> Message-ID: <86B5624E-5E1F-445E-9F92-E893E21BB2D4 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Anybody need a 250 gigabyte IDE (not ATA) hard drive?  I have an essentially new Western Digital WD2500JB "Caviar", IDE, 3.5" hard drive.  This has never been installed or partitioned.
> 
> It was sent to me by mistake and I was told to keep it when they replaced it with an eSATA drive of the same size.
> 
> $25 gets it shipped to you anywhere in the U.S.
> 
> Contact me off the reflector if you want it.  First "I'll take it" (by date/time on the email) gets right of first refusal.  
> 
> Jim, W0EB
> w0eb at cox.net
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:22:31 -0800
> From: Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
>    Switches
> Message-ID:
>    <r470Ps-10113i-6A2F8802982A4F7E9F38FE33C38747CB at Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> FWIW, we have an old Lift Master 1/2 Horsepower garage door 
> opener. It's manual said not to use CFLs (it is too old to know 
> about LEDs). I tried CFLs anyway. They lasted less than 2 weeks 
> before they died.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:30:25 -0600
> From: Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  250 gig Hard Drive
> Message-ID: <E9237C2B-B3DC-462E-9DD1-FA819A1ABDA6 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> The hard drive has been sold.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:48:17 -0700
> From: Craig Smith <craig at powersmith.net>
> To: Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
>    Switches
> Message-ID: <2FC07C53-0BCC-4DFE-92F0-C4123357EB6A at powersmith.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks, Bill.    I have the newer DC motor with Battery Backup Liftmaster, but I?m guessing the receivers might be similar.   Interestingly, in the new manual they actually recommend CFLs but warn against LED.  Obviously the front end of their receiver is not designed to Elecraft standards   ;>)
> 
> 73  Craig   AC0DS
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:59:40 -0600
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
>    Switches
> Message-ID: <56A7DE3C.6070704 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> If you choose to use incandescent lamps in the garage door opener, 
> choose the "heavy duty vibration resistant" bulbs.   These can also be 
> found labeled as "ceiling fan" bulbs.  Seems that they have 3 or 4 wires 
> supporting the filament as opposed to only two wires for the standard bulb.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
>> On 1/26/2016 2:48 PM, Craig Smith wrote:
>> Thanks, Bill.    I have the newer DC motor with Battery Backup Liftmaster, but I?m guessing the receivers might be similar.   Interestingly, in the new manual they actually recommend CFLs but warn against LED.  Obviously the front end of their receiver is not designed to Elecraft standards   ;>)
>> 
>> 73  Craig   AC0DS
>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:09:22 -0600
> From: Kenneth Christiansen <w0cz at i29.net>
> To: Craig Smith <craig at powersmith.net>
> Cc: John Pitz <crustacean at brig-elec.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
>    Switches
> Message-ID: <C8F30DA8-354B-429E-8669-50B1C2892410 at i29.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi to the group
> I have a 40 year old Sears chain drive door opener with two Cree led bulbs. They have been there for over 2 years with no problem using the remote. Every bulb in my house except the oven and refrigerator has been replaced by Cree led bulbs. I have run my K3 and P3 on each antenna on battery power with main AC off than turned everything on in order and no change in noise level. I consider myself lucky.
> Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Craig Smith <craig at powersmith.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the garage door opener experience.   I had my door and opener replaced a few months ago.   The manual for the opener (Lift Master) specifically says not to use LED bulbs.   I was scratching my head over that but did use CFLs in the opener.  I asked the installer why that recommendation was there, and he said he didn?t know why LEDs couldn?t be used.   But, as your experience shows, it appears that it can indeed be a problem.   Probably the close proximity of the opener receiver to the poorly filtered (for some bulbs) switch-mode converters in the bulbs.
>> 
>> 73  Craig   AC0DS
>> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:30:04 -0800
> From: Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer
>    Switches
> Message-ID: <56A7E55C.2060304 at kanafi.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
>> On 1/26/2016 12:59 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> 
>> If you choose to use incandescent lamps in the garage door opener,
>> choose the "heavy duty vibration resistant" bulbs.   These can also be
>> found labeled as "ceiling fan" bulbs.  Seems that they have 3 or 4 wires
>> supporting the filament as opposed to only two wires for the standard bulb.
> 
> They are also called "Rough Service" bulbs.  For years I thought that
> that was "rough surface" from the bulb's coating.  No RFI from them AFAICT.
> 
> At home I use  a remote-controlled light dimmer for a table lamp.  It's
> a double threat - the remote Part 15 and the dimmer electronics.  After
> ruining one with an LED I RTFM that said "incandescent only".  I then
> found a similar dimmer at a specialty lighting store that was certified
> for LEDs.  It was also necessary to get a dimmable LED - not all are.  I
> tried it out at the store to make sure that it would work together.
> 
> The upshot is that I cannot detect any RFI even though the lamp is in
> the next room.  Of course, with the high HF noise level here, it may
> just be masked.
> 
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 
>> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:29:41 -0800
> From: "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Jerry'" <jerry at molaver.org>,    <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers
> Message-ID: <003d01d15889$0cd90c90$268b25b0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> The link below is wrong. It should be:
> http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Service-Support/Pages/Technical/Design-Selection
> Tools/LEDDimmerMatrix.aspx
> 
> 73
> Fred, AE6QL
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:06 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Lutron dimmers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> GA Jim,
> 
> I am in search of replacing over 100 dimmers in our house due to an
> excavating incident where the neutral was pulled out. I have had direct
> contact with Lutron's tech service where I expressed my concern for both rfi
> caused by the dimmers and interference to the dimmers caused by my station.
> 
> Fwiw here is the reply (the images didn't copy but were just sine wave
> representations of operation)  - I went with one of their recommendations
> 
> 73
> 
> Jerry, k1tgx
> 
> Good afternoon Jerry,
> 
> When dimming you can experience interference with sensitive audio equipment
> depending upon the type of dimmer and type of bulb you are controlling. The
> way a dimmer dims is by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second.
> Based upon the on time of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer
> light. Less on time = dimmer light because the lights are not running as
> long each cycle.
> 
> Any forward phase dimming control, could result in a feedback into audio
> equipment due to the way that dimming signal works. The way a dimmer dims is
> by turning the lights on and off 120 times a second. Based upon the on time
> of the signal you will either get brighter or dimmer light. Less on time =
> dimmer light because the lights are not running as long each cycle.
> 
> During this rapid cycling with a forward phase control, there is a spike
> present before the dimmer turns on each time; we call this repetitive peak
> (see illustration #1). When controlling incandescent or halogen bulbs you
> normally will never experience misbehaviors because these bulbs are
> resistive in nature and act like a filter for the line, suppressing the
> repetitive peak. On the other hand, LEDs are capacitive and can greatly
> increase this repetitive peak, resulting in misbehaviors, buzzing or
> interference. However, since reverse phase or ELV controls dimming signals
> are completely opposite than forward phase signals the buzzing is greatly
> reduced if not completely eliminated (see illustration #2). There are two
> things to be aware of with ELV controls, 1) these types of controls require
> a neutral connection to be present at the location of installation (bundle
> of white wires connected together). 2) These controls are normally 2 to 3
> times to cost of standard incandescent  or LED dimmers.
> 
> Illustration #1
> 
> 
> 
> Illustration #2
> 
> 
> You can view our LED selection tool at
> www.lutron.com/ledtool<http://www.lutron.com/ledtool>. This LED selection
> tool will allow you to generate a list of compatible LED products for all of
> our LED rated dimming controls. You will all be able to access a testing
> report for each of the LEDs listed here. The report will provide you with a
> list of all the dimmers we can recommend for that LED, the amount of LEDs
> each dimmer can control and the dimming range you will experience.
> 
> If looking for ELV solutions on our LED selection tool, select "reverse
> phase" from the control technology menu. Also, here is a list of ELV
> controls that we can recommend for use with LED products.
> 
> *             MRF2-6ELV-120
> *             RRD-6NA
> *             HQRD-6NA
> *             PHPM-WBX-DV-WH
> *             PHPM-PA-DV-WH
> *             LP-RPM-4A-120
> *             HW-RPM-4A-120
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions
> 
> Sincerely,
> Matt Rehrig
> Lutron Support
> Lutron Electronics, Inc.
> www.lutron.com<http://www.lutron.com>
> MR
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:50:14 -0800
> From: JWAHAR BAMMI <jbammi at mac.com>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] DCHF-200 Directional Coupler Documentation
> Message-ID: <C8D1BB03-1465-4A30-B5DC-88DF274F8E50 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> I cannot seem to find any documentation on the DCHF-200 Directional Coupler on the elecraft site. Looking for the pinout on the RJ-xx connector, and also looking for the specs on the coupler performance (mainline loss, coupling, return loss etc vs frequency)  Any pointers much appreciated.
> 
> 73 de kc1ccr
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:22:43 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID:
>    <CACYeN9x2eaOGvRk+X6wo4P==AcXPmf6vkMxHJ6VF7JFie2+9xw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
> 
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
> 
> 73
> jim ab3cv
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:13:18 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID: <56A819AE.2040106 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I don't know about the RX ant (it may be confined to ANT1/ANT2), but 
> give it a try and let us all know the results.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/26/2016 7:22 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>> 
>> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
>> activation of the RX antenna?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:18:16 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Save SVGA state via USB
> Message-ID: <000001d158a0$9a43c7c0$cecb5740$@gte.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have entered a number of macros and got them working with the Genovation
> keyboard per Dave, NK7Z's tutorial. I want to move them to my 2nd P3. I've
> used two USB thumb drives. I select the SVGA Usav, press the select know,
> the screen shows saving to USB drive, but no file appears on the drive. I
> also have a USB switch to move the Genovation keyboard to the 2nd P3. That
> appears not to work either. Connecting the Genovation directly to the USB
> port does work. I see in the manual a note that with regard to USB drives,
> "some will not work."
> 
> 
> 
> One peculiar result of unplugging the USB drive is the SVGA display becomes
> upside down. That is, the "grass" comes from the top of the screen down and
> the waterfall is almost solid. Cycling the power fixes that problem.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone discovered a particular brand of USB thumb drive that does work?
> Any thoughts on why the USB switch doesn't work?
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:02:10 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
> Message-ID: <000701d158a6$bc1cbb30$34563190$@gte.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file was saved
> to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my other
> P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't have the
> cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB devices
> before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any event, I am
> a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used with
> the next firmware release.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:38:19 +0000 (UTC)
> From: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID:
>    <1858354690.601364.1453862299858.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M. ?That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna? ?You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button. ? That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp; ?select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> 
>      From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> 
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
> 
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
> 
> 73
> jim ab3cv
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:00:46 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
> To: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID: <4B8C30D0-1FBB-4AE8-9808-A8B459DA7AFE at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern. 
> 
> Jim ab3cv
> 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M.  That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna?  You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button.   That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
> 
> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp;  select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
> 
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> 
> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
> 
> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
> activation of the RX antenna?
> 
> 73
> jim ab3cv
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:04:36 -0600
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Faint clicking sound in headphones
> Message-ID: <56A833C4.6080605 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> I hear something which is very slight in QSK mode but not in SEMI mode.  
> My observation is that it is "very" slight.  Headphones with higher 
> sensitivity may be more prone to exacerbate the the click. I speculate 
> it is the leading edge AGC recovery in between CW elements.  Being on a 
> dummy load, there would be no AGC transition to noise as would appear 
> with noise from the antenna.
> 
> If you think it is RF related, turn the PWR down to 1 watt or operate in 
> TEST mode.  I suspect however it is switching related and not RF related.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
>> On 1/25/2016 9:44 AM, Mike Weir wrote:
>> Just today I notice a  faint clicking noise when using my headphones and only when the AF is turned up not when all the way down, here is my setup.....Elecraft k3, Begali key into a Winkeyer USB and the menu key weight setting in the K3 is 1.10
>> Here is what I have tried to fix the issue with no success:
>> 1. Tried different headphones.
>> 2. Snap on chokes on headphone cord.
>> 3. Removed Winkeyer and plugged key into rear of K3.
>> 4. Tried a different key plugged it into Winkeyer and just to rear of K3.
>> 5. Tried on Dummy load and clicking is gone.
>> 6. Check all connections to make sure they are tight.
>> 7. Tried my KX3 using same key and antenna and no clicks.
>> 8. The clicking is happening on all bands.
>> I believe that is all I tried and I am at a loss as to what it could be, I'm hopping it's something simple that I have overlooked.
>> Thanks in advance for your help
>> Mike
>> VE3WDM
>> 
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:16:18 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <001801d158b9$78f214a0$6ad63de0$@gte.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> It seems that if you toggle a USB device on the P3, it loses its knowledge
> of the USB device and doesn't recognize the device when it is toggled back
> UNLESS the SVGA is in data display mode. IMHO this is a firmware bug.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:00:13 -0700
> From: "Erik Basilier" <ebasilier at cox.net>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 roofing filters
> Message-ID: <034401d158c7$fd2f5990$f78e0cb0$@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> After reconfiguring my K3 I have the following roofing filters for sale:
> 
> 
> 
> 6 kHz     $90         one available
> 
> 1.8 kHz $90         two available
> 
> 500 Hz  $60         one available      offset -0.75
> 
> 
> 
> Shipping is additional, and would be by Priority Mail Small Box where
> applicable (typically $6.80 in the U.S. if $50 insurance is considered
> sufficient)
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Erik K7TV
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:37:23 -0800
> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
> Message-ID: <1453876643.3301.8.camel at nk7z.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I too am looking forward to the next release of P3 software, and hoping
> it contains the changes which allow P3 macros to be sent to the P3, via
> the P3 USB port.
> -- 
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave
> 
> For software/hardware reviews see:
> http://www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> 
> For SSTV help see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 18:02 -0800, Ken Widelitz wrote:
>> I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file
>> was saved
>> to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my
>> other
>> P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't
>> have the
>> cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB
>> devices
>> before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any
>> event, I am
>> a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used
>> with
>> the next firmware release.
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> ?
>> 
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> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:03:43 +0200
> From: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
> Cc: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID: <DB518473-B3B2-46CE-A0C3-9A459F3B2F79 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> DIGOUT1 isn't affected by RX ANT, or at least it wasn't when I used it to control an external amp some time ago. But a voltmeter will tell you for sure.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2016, at 5:00 AM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern. 
>> 
>> Jim ab3cv
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M.  That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna?  You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button.   That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
>> 
>> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp;  select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
>> 
>> Dick, K8ZTT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
>> 
>> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>> 
>> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
>> activation of the RX antenna?
>> 
>> 73
>> jim ab3cv
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:23:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>
> To: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
> Message-ID:
>    <1052025222.915205.1453915411120.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Jim,
> I would think you could create a macro to accomplish this. ?The commands would be SWT25;BN00; ?this would turn on the RX ANT, change the band to 160M. ? You could add additional commands to the string to set more options (like Split up 2 or 5 or whatever floats your boat.
> The one thing to remember is the SWT25 command toggles the RX ANT on or off; unlike some other commands (like BN00), it does not "set" the position (if you to send the SWT25;BN00; Macro a second time, the band (160M) would stay the same, but the RX ANT would now turn off.
> Additionally, when you send a band change command (like BN00, BN01, BN02, etc.), you need a 300 ms delay before sending another command in the string. ?Other than inserting one or two semicolons after the BNxx command, before additional commands, the easiest approach might be to put the BNxx; command last in the string.
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2016, at 5:00 AM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I want an external signal that is only activated when 160 and RX Ant is selected. That will be part of logic that detunes my TX antenna on when receiving so as not to ruin my RX antenna pattern. 
>> 
>> Jim ab3cv
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:38 PM, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You are correct in saying you can assert Digout1 on 160M.? That said, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by tying it to enabling the RX antenna?? You can accomplish the same thing by having 160M selected as the band, and then tapping the RX ANT button.? That selection is remembered by the K3 (or K3S), and every time you select 160M, the radio will automatically select the RX ANT (which is exactly what I do here).
>> 
>> FYI, you can do the same thing for the 6, 10, and 12M preamp;? select each band, turn on the preamp (flashing PRE on the display), and from then on, when you select those bands, the pre amp will turn on automatically,
>> 
>> Dick, K8ZTT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:22 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DIGOUT1 question
>> 
>> According to the K3S user manual DIGOUT1 is per band and per antenna.
>> 
>> Does this mean that I could assert DIGOUT1 on the basis of 160m and the
>> activation of the RX antenna?
>> 
>> 73
>> jim ab3cv
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:28:01 -0700 (MST)
> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <1453915681118-7613182.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi Ken, 
> 
> I don't understand what you mean by 'toggle a USB device'.  The P3/SVGA
> board will enumerate a USB keyboard or thumb drive even if the SVGA en is
> turned off (the display is turned off) OR data display mode is turned off. 
> I just checked.    You can verify that by opening up the P3 and looking on
> the SVGA card.  Whenever a USB device is correctly enumerated, the LED
> toward the connector will light solid. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-USB-Serendipitous-Solution-tp7613177p7613182.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:32:04 -0700 (MST)
> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working
> Message-ID: <1453915924725-7613183.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi Ken, 
> 
> I am not familiar with the USB switch but if it is electronic and not
> mechanical there could be an issue since the SVGA USB port is limited as to
> what it can support.  For example it does not support a hub or really
> anything except a USB thumb drive and/or keyboard.  
> 
> -Paul
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-Save-Restore-State-via-USB-Working-tp7613173p7613183.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:37:16 -0800
> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>
> To: "'Paul Saffren N6HZ'" <pauls at elecraft.com>,
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <002001d15929$5e4079b0$1ac16d10$@gte.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> 
> 
> My experience with the P3 SVGA is that the Genovation USB keypad will not
> work unless data mode is on. 
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:39:39 -0800
> From: "Dave Glenn" <glenn.d at ca.rr.com>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Using the internal K144xv to feed other
>    transverters.
> Message-ID: <055201d15929$b34bb730$19e32590$@ca.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have the internal 2 meter transverter.  I would like to use it to feed my
> other transverters for 2, 3, 5 and 10ghz. 
> 
> However, when setting it up in the K3 I don't see that I can drive a
> transverter from a transverter. 
> 
> Has anyone tried this before?  The XV RF setting only goes up to 50mhz and I
> don't see how I could feed one from another. 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave N6TEB
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:40:16 -0500
> From: Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Filters
> Message-ID:
>    <CAEk6-=uaajffFPXQ-gQtSjYSd_f414C+-m+NJDJ3XNgna6_XHg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> K3 filters for sale:
> 
> KFLA3A-6K  $105 shipped.
> 
> KBPF3A  General coverage  $140 shipped.
> 
> Shipped to CONUS only, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
> cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> Joe  N9VX
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:05:52 -0800
> From: Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: Ken Widelitz <widelitz at gte.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution
> Message-ID: <56A90700.7010502 at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> Yes, the USB keyboard is not active when not in data display mode. I 
> realize that folks are using the Genovation  keypad as means of 
> executing macros to control the K3 (and soon the P3), however the USB 
> keyboard port was designed for data.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
> Project Manager
> Elecraft Inc.
> www.elecraft.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:51:20 +0400
> From: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
> Message-ID: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51 at sy-edm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Fellow Hams,
>             I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been marvelling at it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator - and them I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying the awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
> 
>    I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) - on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully understand and accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.
> 
>    It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW ? How about Data Modes ??
> 
>    I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found flexible and worthwhile.
> 
> 
>    OS for PC:    
>            Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
> 
>    Many thanks for taking the time to read this
> 
> 
>    Regards
> 
>            Tim - A45WG
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:39:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: David Kuechenmeister <n4kd at bellsouth.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Input Pin?
> Message-ID:
>    <237536816.1071367.1453923575164.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> I was looking for a way to automatically reduce power when operating on batteries. It seems like another transceiver I once owned had a pin that, when grounded would reduce output power to conserve batteries.
> I don't see any handy way to do this with the K3, other than crank down the power...
> It looks like all the ACC pins are defined, so except for making one of them a programmable I/O pin, I think I'm out of luck. Is there anyone else interested in a programmable input pin that could be tied to a macro command?
> vy 73,Dave N4KD
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:50:56 -0800
> From: Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com>
> To: a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
> Message-ID:
>    <CANVONAJMosGu5wDRfpQe_0hhkqg_dAz-j8Usiok1PG6ii14xTg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> You need to consider several separate aspects of radio automation. Assuming
> you are operating with one radio, consider these:
> 
>   - Operating System: There are logging programs for Linux and MacOS but
>   your choices are much more limited than with Windows. When I switched from
>   Windows to MacOS, I tried Snookum Logger but found it primitive compared to
>   Windows offerings. There are other possibilities that I know nothing about.
>   At this point I run a virtual Windows machine on my Macbook Pro under
>   VMware Fusion. It's complicated but it works.
>   - Rig Control: Connect either an RS232 cable or USB cable from your
>   computer to the K3s. Tell your logging program the COM port number (or
>   identify the USB connection to MacOS) and characteristics (typically
>   38400-N-8-1) and then the logger will track the radio's frequency and mode.
>   You can also type in a frequency and most loggers will send the rig there.
>   Not all of them, though.
>   - CW Keying: Although you can key the K3s through the same serial port
>   that you use for rig control, I advise against it because unrelated load on
>   your computer can sometimes result in "stuttering" - poor keying. Instead,
>   I like to use an external keyer and the WinKeyer USB is a very good choice.
>   It connects to your computer via a USB cable, to your paddle and to the the
>   K3s Key In connector. It forms dots and dashes outside the computer and
>   works very well for both computer and manual sending. Some people prefer to
>   connect the paddle to the K3 PADDLE input to provide separate speed control
>   for manual and computer sending. (I use two paddles, one through the
>   external keyer and one direct to the K3.)
>   - Voice Messages: If you operate phone, you may want to automate contest
>   messages, especially CQ, Exchange and Thanks. If you have the K3s internal
>   voice keyer, you can use that, provided your logging program supports it.
>   If not, you can let your logger generate voice messages and transfer them
>   to the K3 via a sound card. It is best to use an external sound card rather
>   than the one inside the computer in order to avoid computer sound effects
>   getting transmitted. The Griffen iMic card is simple and inexpensive. (The
>   Asus Xonar family are more sophisticated and probably "better." I don't
>   have mine working yet.) There are dozens of alternatives. You can plug into
>   K3 Line In and leave your live microphone connected to front or rear MIC In
>   connectors.
>   - Data Modes: The quickest way to get here is to connect a pair of 3.5mm
>   phone cables between an external sound card and the K3 Line In and Line Out
>   connectors. Run AFSK or PSK with appropriate software. Many prefer FSK
>   which requires a cable from a serial port (or carefully chosen
>   USB-to-Serial adapter) to the FSK line on the K3 ACC connector. You can
>   also use a Signalink or other multi-function interface box, but it's not
>   required and won't be any simpler. It might save some cable swapping when
>   changing between voice and data modes, depending on the box and how you set
>   things up.
> 
> There are lots of "moving parts" and patience is a virtue. Consider the
> project of getting it all working to be part of your pursuit of ham radio.
> Take it one piece at a time and enjoy each individual success.
> 
> If you operate two radios (SO2R), it's more complicated. ;-)
> 
> GL & 73,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:51 AM, a45wg <a45wg at sy-edm.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Fellow Hams,
>>                     I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been
>> marvelling at it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator -
>> and them I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying
>> the awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
>> 
>>        I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here)
>> - on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some
>> steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can
>> automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully understand and
>> accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.
>> 
>>        It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for
>> CW ? How about Data Modes ??
>> 
>>        I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things
>> simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found
>> flexible and worthwhile.
>> 
>> 
>>        OS for PC:
>>                        Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>> 
>>        Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>> 
>> 
>>        Regards
>> 
>>                        Tim - A45WG
>> 
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 16:47:32 2016
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 10 Meters
In-Reply-To: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A93AF4.9080405@gmail.com>

I'm not sure the new synth will improve that, but the PR6 or PR6-10 
will, as will the new KXV3B with the built-in preamp.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 1/27/16 3:17 PM, Larry Boekeloo wrote:
> My K3 is rather "deaf" on 10 and I was wondering how significant the KSYN3A synthesizer board would be at improving that?  Is it worth the money?
> Anyone have experience with that?
> Thanks.
> Larry, KN8N
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From idarack at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 17:14:47 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting
Message-ID: <CAGC7P25SwnP4x73Q+GavjQ8k7UcpUr+u9u6AR=1r_-uTUSgrDA@mail.gmail.com>

I am curious to others experience with the KPA500 in a RTTY  Contest. What
 is the power level that others have used, fan levels and long term affect
on the power transistors?

I ask, as so far I have run the amp at no more than 300 watts with the fans
at there highest level. I do not want to harm the power transistors.

Thanks, Irwin KD3TB


-- 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jan 27 17:17:02 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:17:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Allow me to disagree with Jim and Rick on this issue and 
recommend some native Mac programs. I have used RUMlog (a 
general purpose log program) and RUMped (a contest logger) for 
several years. They are mature programs and Thomas, DL2RUM 
provides excellent support. He has a new logging program, 
RUMlogNG which provides the functionality of both programs and 
is available at not cost through the Apple App store.

I just installed RUMlogNG yesterday, and am still getting it set 
up. It will cooperate with fldigi to provide digital modes and 
will directly run a K3 or KX3. Since the K3S is operationally 
the same as the K3 as far as computer control is concerned, it 
should also "just work".

NOTE: If anyone wants to load old QSOs into RUMlogNG, read the 
getting started documentation first.

I am also a big fan of cocoaModem for digital modes. It supports 
decoding both the main and sub receivers, which is nice for 
working pileups.

For information on ham radio programs for the Mac, see <http://www.machamradio.com/>.

73 Bill AE6JV


On 1/27/16 at 10:51 AM, a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) wrote:

>Fellow Hams,
>I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been marvelling 
>at it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a 
>rotator - and them I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the 
>meantime - I am enjoying the awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
>
>I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 
>here) - on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask 
>for some steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a 
>K3-S to a PC so I can automate some of the repetition of 
>contest work ?. I fully understand and accept "DE TEST? is 
>not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.
>
>It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW ? How about Data Modes ??
>
>I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things 
>simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which 
>I found flexible and worthwhile.
>
>
>OS for PC:  Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>
>Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>
>
>Regards
>
>Tim - A45WG
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Wed Jan 27 17:42:59 2016
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:42:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 10 Meters
In-Reply-To: <56A93AF4.9080405@gmail.com>
References: <355747885.952372.1453925858858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56A93AF4.9080405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1453934579061-7613202.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

The new synth will not improve your sensitivity on any bands. The preamp
solutions will (for 12,10,and 6m).

AB2TC - Knut


Scott Manthe-2 wrote
> I'm not sure the new synth will improve that, but the PR6 or PR6-10 
> will, as will the new KXV3B with the built-in preamp.
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> 
> 
> On 1/27/16 3:17 PM, Larry Boekeloo wrote:
>> My K3 is rather "deaf" on 10 and I was wondering how significant the
>> KSYN3A synthesizer board would be at improving that?  Is it worth the
>> money?
> <snip>





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From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan 27 17:53:00 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:53:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <56A94A4C.6050402@subich.com>


 > I am also a big fan of cocoaModem for digital modes. It supports
 > decoding both the main and sub receivers, which is nice for working
 > pileups.

Unfortunately, Chen has abandoned cocoaModem ... it is orphan software.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/27/2016 5:17 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Allow me to disagree with Jim and Rick on this issue and recommend some
> native Mac programs. I have used RUMlog (a general purpose log program)
> and RUMped (a contest logger) for several years. They are mature
> programs and Thomas, DL2RUM provides excellent support. He has a new
> logging program, RUMlogNG which provides the functionality of both
> programs and is available at not cost through the Apple App store.
>
> I just installed RUMlogNG yesterday, and am still getting it set up. It
> will cooperate with fldigi to provide digital modes and will directly
> run a K3 or KX3. Since the K3S is operationally the same as the K3 as
> far as computer control is concerned, it should also "just work".
>
> NOTE: If anyone wants to load old QSOs into RUMlogNG, read the getting
> started documentation first.
>
> I am also a big fan of cocoaModem for digital modes. It supports
> decoding both the main and sub receivers, which is nice for working
> pileups.
>
> For information on ham radio programs for the Mac, see
> <http://www.machamradio.com/>.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
>
> On 1/27/16 at 10:51 AM, a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) wrote:
>
>> Fellow Hams,
>> I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been marvelling at
>> it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator - and them
>> I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying the
>> awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
>>
>> I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) - on
>> CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some
>> steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I
>> can automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully
>> understand and accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I
>> enjoy it at times.
>>
>> It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW ?
>> How about Data Modes ??
>>
>> I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things
>> simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found
>> flexible and worthwhile.
>>
>>
>> OS for PC:  Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>>
>> Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim - A45WG
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 27 18:02:23 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:02:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Price Increase Alert for Feb 4th.
Message-ID: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>

Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:

We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first mentioned 
late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both the large holiday 
season order rush and several ham shows, both of which always generate a lot of 
sales sales activity and keep our sales team very busy.

As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their prices to 
us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending battle to keep costs 
down as economic activity has picked up the last two years.) We've been 
absorbing all of these increases, but now we have hit the point where we  must 
increase prices slightly on a number of our products.

The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order forms will 
update with the new pricing at that time.

Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people about which 
specific products will be changing or how much the changes will be, as they do 
not have this information. (We're still in the middle getting everything entered.)

Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be charged 
at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/


From ebasilier at cox.net  Wed Jan 27 18:05:36 2016
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:05:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 roofing filters
In-Reply-To: <Au1T1s00y45oxQM01u1VrQ>
References: <Au1T1s00y45oxQM01u1VrQ>
Message-ID: <042e01d15957$3bc30b40$b34921c0$@cox.net>

Update:
Everything is sold except one 500 Hz filter

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Erik
Basilier
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:00 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 roofing filters

After reconfiguring my K3 I have the following roofing filters for sale:

 

6 kHz     $90         one available

1.8 kHz $90         two available

500 Hz  $60         one available      offset -0.75

 

Shipping is additional, and would be by Priority Mail Small Box where
applicable (typically $6.80 in the U.S. if $50 insurance is considered
sufficient)

 

73,

Erik K7TV

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jan 27 18:09:19 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:09:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <56A94A4C.6050402@subich.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10113i-DE1E496EF6C64A35842D0E346E098B22@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 1/27/16 at 2:53 PM, lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) wrote:

>>I am also a big fan of cocoaModem for digital modes. It supports
>>decoding both the main and sub receivers, which is nice for working
>>pileups.
>
>Unfortunately, Chen has abandoned cocoaModem ... it is orphan software.
>

The source code is available. I have downloaded it, but I 
haven't tried to see if it builds. Jack, W6FB pointed out to me 
that the tuning "eye" for RTTY wasn't working. (The two for Dual 
RTTY which decodes both receivers do work.) Jack's report may 
provoke me to try to learn Mac programming.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Jan 27 18:39:36 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:39:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <56A94A4C.6050402@subich.com>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<56A94A4C.6050402@subich.com>
Message-ID: <B9C5AA53-988E-4DEC-9F4F-C528F74D9702@me.com>

I would not call CocoaModem orphaned. It is open-source, and when things break, we (myself included) are trying to fix them.
It is not well supported, however.

And, it works pretty well under OS X 10.11.3 (El Capitan) on my Mac mini.

- Jack, W6FB


> On Jan 27, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I am also a big fan of cocoaModem for digital modes. It supports
> > decoding both the main and sub receivers, which is nice for working
> > pileups.
> 
> Unfortunately, Chen has abandoned cocoaModem ... it is orphan software.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 1/27/2016 5:17 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> Allow me to disagree with Jim and Rick on this issue and recommend some
>> native Mac programs. I have used RUMlog (a general purpose log program)
>> and RUMped (a contest logger) for several years. They are mature
>> programs and Thomas, DL2RUM provides excellent support. He has a new
>> logging program, RUMlogNG which provides the functionality of both
>> programs and is available at not cost through the Apple App store.
>> 
>> I just installed RUMlogNG yesterday, and am still getting it set up. It
>> will cooperate with fldigi to provide digital modes and will directly
>> run a K3 or KX3. Since the K3S is operationally the same as the K3 as
>> far as computer control is concerned, it should also "just work".
>> 
>> NOTE: If anyone wants to load old QSOs into RUMlogNG, read the getting
>> started documentation first.
>> 
>> I am also a big fan of cocoaModem for digital modes. It supports
>> decoding both the main and sub receivers, which is nice for working
>> pileups.
>> 
>> For information on ham radio programs for the Mac, see
>> <http://www.machamradio.com/>.
>> 
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/27/16 at 10:51 AM, a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) wrote:
>> 
>>> Fellow Hams,
>>> I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been marvelling at
>>> it?s features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator - and them
>>> I will hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying the
>>> awesome RX/TX on this radio?.
>>> 
>>> I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) - on
>>> CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some
>>> steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I
>>> can automate some of the repetition of contest work ?. I fully
>>> understand and accept "DE TEST? is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I
>>> enjoy it at times.
>>> 
>>> It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW ?
>>> How about Data Modes ??
>>> 
>>> I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things
>>> simple. In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found
>>> flexible and worthwhile.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> OS for PC:  Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Tim - A45WG
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Wed Jan 27 19:10:26 2016
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:10:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS27142294C0C0AEAD5A37A6D9EDA0@phx.gbl>

I run both of mine full power on RTTY. Fans occasionally come on full speed (control on Auto) but my amps are in a closet (not on the desk) so the noise is not an issue..

I believe the spec is 10 min on, 5 min off at full power. The amp is well protected against temp and swr so I wouldn?t worry.

Ken K6MR


From: Irwin Darack<mailto:idarack at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 14:15
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting

I am curious to others experience with the KPA500 in a RTTY  Contest. What
 is the power level that others have used, fan levels and long term affect
on the power transistors?

I ask, as so far I have run the amp at no more than 300 watts with the fans
at there highest level. I do not want to harm the power transistors.

Thanks, Irwin KD3TB


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From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan 27 19:33:47 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:33:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <B9C5AA53-988E-4DEC-9F4F-C528F74D9702@me.com>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<56A94A4C.6050402@subich.com>
	<B9C5AA53-988E-4DEC-9F4F-C528F74D9702@me.com>
Message-ID: <56A961EB.2020608@subich.com>


On 1/27/2016 6:39 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
> I would not call CocoaModem orphaned. It is open-source, and when
 > things break, we (myself included) are trying to fix them.

It is nice that someone is there to fix problems but that is a long
way from having the original developer involved to move things
forward!

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan 27 19:47:22 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:47:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P25SwnP4x73Q+GavjQ8k7UcpUr+u9u6AR=1r_-uTUSgrDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P25SwnP4x73Q+GavjQ8k7UcpUr+u9u6AR=1r_-uTUSgrDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A9651A.7070804@blomand.net>

The most destructive element to all solid state devices is......... HEAT!

The KPA500 seems well protected and will drop off line if the 
temperature exceeds a preset level.   My only concern regarding pushing 
an amp like this or any other solid state amp to near rated values, same 
for near maximum heat values, what happens if the protection circuit 
fails?   Hopefully the software will recognize a protective circuit 
failure and shut the amp down.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/27/2016 4:14 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> I am curious to others experience with the KPA500 in a RTTY  Contest. What
>   is the power level that others have used, fan levels and long term affect
> on the power transistors?
>
> I ask, as so far I have run the amp at no more than 300 watts with the fans
> at there highest level. I do not want to harm the power transistors.
>
> Thanks, Irwin KD3TB
>
>



From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Jan 27 19:57:08 2016
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:57:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <56A961EB.2020608@subich.com>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<56A94A4C.6050402@subich.com>
	<B9C5AA53-988E-4DEC-9F4F-C528F74D9702@me.com>
	<56A961EB.2020608@subich.com>
Message-ID: <43B4C4DA-90C6-4D4B-8C51-33FAEFDB31B7@me.com>

Yes, but if you apply that category to all programs, there are very few, including commercial apps, that survive. I am 100% certain that there are major software applications that are now completely detached from the developers (any developers), that perfectly fit your description. Some of these would amaze you. Companies make decisions all the time to do this, wise or not. sigh?

At least with Chen?s programs we have the opportunity to pick up support and even add features, something you cannot do with non-open source software.

What?s really amazing about this is that I?m not usually a proponent of open-source. In some cases it is the far better approach.

- Jack, W6FB

 
> On Jan 27, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/27/2016 6:39 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
>> I would not call CocoaModem orphaned. It is open-source, and when
> > things break, we (myself included) are trying to fix them.
> 
> It is nice that someone is there to fix problems but that is a long
> way from having the original developer involved to move things
> forward!
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
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From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Wed Jan 27 20:07:24 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:07:24 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <56A961EB.2020608@subich.com>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<56A94A4C.6050402@subich.com>
	<B9C5AA53-988E-4DEC-9F4F-C528F74D9702@me.com>
	<56A961EB.2020608@subich.com>
Message-ID: <56A969CC.3000906@mediacombb.net>

For any windows users watching this thread who actually care what their 
morse sounds like in a contest I would suggest the WinKeyUSB3 from K1EL. 
Instead of relying on windows to correctly key the rig with a direct 
serial connection the contest software generates ASCII characters and 
sends the string to the Winkey which keys the rig perfectly.

Windows does what it does best, which is move data around, rather than 
trying to properly time morse code through a serial port.

The Winkey works with all the windows contest software and most regular 
loggers. It also works with CQRLog in Linux and works on the Mac as 
well. I have no idea if the Mac contest software supports it or not.


>


-- 
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441


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From ae8jg.gould at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 20:17:48 2016
From: ae8jg.gould at gmail.com (Joshua Gould)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:17:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3 (Ser No. 7480)
Message-ID: <CAEbXHxjzFLP+u82ThCuOsOzNhn3sLKxUQmZR4v2Op1Bk1eCvfQ@mail.gmail.com>

After careful deliberation, I have decided to sell my KX3. There is a small
scratch on the bezel in the top right corner.  It doesn?t cross over the
display.


Factory built KX3 (Serial 7480, Built February 2015)


KX3-F $999.95

KXAT3-F $179.95

KXBC3 $69.95

MH3 $59.95


Also included:


KX3-PCKT Cable Kit $19.95

Signalink Cable $19.95

BNC-BP $9.95

Right Angle BNC $6.95


Cost of all of the items new is $1,366.60


I will sell for $1,150.


Please contact me off list for pictures or more details.
72,
Joshua Gould
AE8JG
EM89mo

KX3 # 7480

NAQCC # 7704
OMISS # 9948
4sqrp # 990
FP # 3579

From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Wed Jan 27 20:20:44 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:20:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re:  K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <56A969CC.3000906@mediacombb.net>
References: <56A969CC.3000906@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <56A96CEC.6080600@mediacombb.net>

I have checked the K1EL site.
Both MacLoggerDX and Rumped support the WKUSB.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
Date: 	Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:07:24 -0600
From: 	Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net>
To: 	elecraft at mailman.qth.net



For any windows users watching this thread who actually care what their
morse sounds like in a contest I would suggest the WinKeyUSB3 from K1EL.
Instead of relying on windows to correctly key the rig with a direct
serial connection the contest software generates ASCII characters and
sends the string to the Winkey which keys the rig perfectly.

Windows does what it does best, which is move data around, rather than
trying to properly time morse code through a serial port.

The Winkey works with all the windows contest software and most regular
loggers. It also works with CQRLog in Linux and works on the Mac as
well. I have no idea if the Mac contest software supports it or not.


>


-- 
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441





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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 27 20:29:47 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 01:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
References: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

1. I have the clock on all of the time. 


2. Today when I turned on my K3 I noticed that the clock was behind by several seconds.

3. All I did was hit the DISP button, then hit it again to look at the clock again and it was back on the correct time. As if it re-read itself and updated itself to the correct time.

4. What the heck?


Al  W6LX

From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jan 27 20:45:45 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:45:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>

It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to
WWV, using the data WWV sends. ?:)
-- 
73's, and thanks,
Dave

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On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 01:29 +0000, Al Lorona wrote:
> 1. I have the clock on all of the time.?
> 
> 
> 2. Today when I turned on my K3 I noticed that the clock was behind
> by several seconds.
> 
> 3. All I did was hit the DISP button, then hit it again to look at
> the clock again and it was back on the correct time. As if it re-read 
> itself and updated itself to the correct time.
> 
> 4. What the heck?
> 
> 
> Al??W6LX
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From john at kk9a.com  Wed Jan 27 20:46:48 2016
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:46:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
Message-ID: <006f01d1596d$c0a6a8b0$41f3fa10$@com>

For CW and RTTY FSK keying I use a MicroHAM DigiKeyerII. This has the WinKey
chip and it is easy to install and operate however I do not know if it will
work with a non-Windows computer.

GL,
John KK9A

Wed Jan 27 13:51:20 EST 2016
Fellow Hams,
		     I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been
marvelling at it's features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator -
and them I will hoist some Yagi's up. but in the meantime - I am enjoying
the awesome RX/TX on this radio..

	I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) -
on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some
steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can
automate some of the repetition of contest work .. I fully understand and
accept "DE TEST" is not everyone's cup of tea. But I enjoy it at times.

	It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW
? How about Data Modes ??

	I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things
simple. In the "old days" I used to use a SignaLink - which I found flexible
and worthwhile.


	OS for PC: 	
			Linux or Mac - NOT Windows

	Many thanks for taking the time to read this


	Regards

			Tim - A45WG


From k6mr at outlook.com  Wed Jan 27 21:09:09 2016
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:09:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS307B7C900E6F5FFE58781D39EDA0@phx.gbl>

I monitor mine with the remote program which shows temp on screen. When the fans go to high speed the temp drops very quickly. The thermal design appears to have plenty of reserve capability. I think the temp cut off is 90C. I?ve never seen mine go above 73C.

Ken K6MR

From: Bob McGraw K4TAX<mailto:rmcgraw at blomand.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 16:48
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting

The most destructive element to all solid state devices is......... HEAT!

The KPA500 seems well protected and will drop off line if the
temperature exceeds a preset level.   My only concern regarding pushing
an amp like this or any other solid state amp to near rated values, same
for near maximum heat values, what happens if the protection circuit
fails?   Hopefully the software will recognize a protective circuit
failure and shut the amp down.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/27/2016 4:14 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> I am curious to others experience with the KPA500 in a RTTY  Contest. What
>   is the power level that others have used, fan levels and long term affect
> on the power transistors?
>
> I ask, as so far I have run the amp at no more than 300 watts with the fans
> at there highest level. I do not want to harm the power transistors.
>
> Thanks, Irwin KD3TB
>
>


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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jan 27 22:21:33 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:21:33 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting
In-Reply-To: <56A9651A.7070804@blomand.net>
References: <CAGC7P25SwnP4x73Q+GavjQ8k7UcpUr+u9u6AR=1r_-uTUSgrDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A9651A.7070804@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <56A9893D.5040802@blomand.net>

OOPS ...... I forgot my Periodic table.  Heat is  not an element. But 
the same thing applies.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/27/2016 6:47 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> The most destructive element to all solid state devices is......... HEAT!
>
> The KPA500 seems well protected and will drop off line if the 
> temperature exceeds a preset level.   My only concern regarding 
> pushing an amp like this or any other solid state amp to near rated 
> values, same for near maximum heat values, what happens if the 
> protection circuit fails?   Hopefully the software will recognize a 
> protective circuit failure and shut the amp down.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX



From rprather at mac.com  Wed Jan 27 22:33:05 2016
From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:33:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <006f01d1596d$c0a6a8b0$41f3fa10$@com>
References: <006f01d1596d$c0a6a8b0$41f3fa10$@com>
Message-ID: <CAAEtO3mVTiM6N8U737Bd+zRZ-UA=haWe-JHev4L31A6EoHdbiA@mail.gmail.com>

I second the vote for RUMLogNG for both general logging and many contests.
It's a good way to get back in without spending the time required to learn
the Windows contest programs.

BTW, RUMLogNG supports the WINkeyer and I usually use it but I have never
had problem with my Mac using the onboard K3 Keyer ( an option with the RUM
family ).

BTW, the K3 and P3 control screens built in to RUMLogNG are great and very
useful and I find myself really missing the P3 control screen if I am
running something else.

Unsupported or not I find CocoaModem to be very useful especially if you
have the Sub receiver.  It lets you monitor both receivers on one screen.

Anyway, I suggest you start out with these Mac programs and if you later
decide you are missing something then you can go through the hoops of
setting up a VM and running Windows.

Have fun,

RIck
K6LE

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:46 PM, <john at kk9a.com> wrote:

> For CW and RTTY FSK keying I use a MicroHAM DigiKeyerII. This has the
> WinKey
> chip and it is easy to install and operate however I do not know if it will
> work with a non-Windows computer.
>
> GL,
> John KK9A
>
> Wed Jan 27 13:51:20 EST 2016
> Fellow Hams,
>                      I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been
> marvelling at it's features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator -
> and them I will hoist some Yagi's up. but in the meantime - I am enjoying
> the awesome RX/TX on this radio..
>
>         I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) -
> on CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some
> steerage/advice regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can
> automate some of the repetition of contest work .. I fully understand and
> accept "DE TEST" is not everyone's cup of tea. But I enjoy it at times.
>
>         It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW
> ? How about Data Modes ??
>
>         I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things
> simple. In the "old days" I used to use a SignaLink - which I found
> flexible
> and worthwhile.
>
>
>         OS for PC:
>                         Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>
>         Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>
>
>         Regards
>
>                         Tim - A45WG
>
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From edfinn11 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 23:33:30 2016
From: edfinn11 at gmail.com (Edward Finn)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:33:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 very low audio
Message-ID: <CAL79s3OgOm8sF=tVxius63pXW3EMYVsKtK4r-8_sG4KYoATSXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
After years of operation I decided to add a serial port to my low power k2.
I use it with the kv60 as an if for vhf/uhf transvertors.

So I have been doing a lot of menu stuff and may have corrupted something.
I have full output in tune out cw, but almost no output now in ssb. There
is a small amount of output of I yell in the mike or transmit through my
sound card.

The radio was working fine Monday night...

I see something curious that could be the culprit. I may have corrupted a
menu setting.
On the ssb adapter board, at the audio input there is a signature called
/atten coming from the pic. It is active low.

Can anyone tell me what menu option changes this pin?

Thanks
Ed wa3drc

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 27 23:40:06 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 very low audio
In-Reply-To: <CAL79s3OgOm8sF=tVxius63pXW3EMYVsKtK4r-8_sG4KYoATSXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL79s3OgOm8sF=tVxius63pXW3EMYVsKtK4r-8_sG4KYoATSXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A99BA6.8080004@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

That would be controlled by the SSBA menu parameter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/27/2016 11:33 PM, Edward Finn wrote:
> Hello,
> After years of operation I decided to add a serial port to my low power k2.
> I use it with the kv60 as an if for vhf/uhf transvertors.
>
> So I have been doing a lot of menu stuff and may have corrupted something.
> I have full output in tune out cw, but almost no output now in ssb. There
> is a small amount of output of I yell in the mike or transmit through my
> sound card.
>
> The radio was working fine Monday night...
>
> I see something curious that could be the culprit. I may have corrupted a
> menu setting.
> On the ssb adapter board, at the audio input there is a signature called
> /atten coming from the pic. It is active low.
>
> Can anyone tell me what menu option changes this pin?
>
>


From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 23:44:54 2016
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:44:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
References: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <56A99CC6.7060205@gmail.com>

Great idea!

--WA8JXM

On 1/27/16 8:45 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to
> WWV, using the data WWV sends.:)


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 28 01:31:24 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:31:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <56A9B5BC.2000707@audiosystemsgroup.com>

I would hesitate to call these "full featured and mature" as compared to 
DXKeeper, which automates applications for awards like DXCC, and 
tabulates totals for dozens of awards by band and mode. Nor as compared 
to N1MM Logger Plus, which supports hundreds of contests and has many 
features that simplify contesting and make the operator more 
competitive. N1MM Logger Plus supports hundreds of rigs; RUMPed supports 
only the handful of rigs the program author owns and is feature-poor 
compared to N1MM Logger Plus. DXKeeper supports IOTA, WAS, WAC, WAZ, 
WPX, CQ Field Award, US counties, VUCC (VHF/UHF grids), Fred Fish (6M US 
grids), and dozens of awards from ham societies in UK, France, Spain, 
Russia, Japan, and lots of other countries. It imports contest logs, and 
allows you to keep track of QSOs by contest!  It also logs TX power, so 
I can sort QSOs by power to check for status of what I've achieved QRP 
(150 countries worked so far).

NY4I just posted statistics for logging programs used by those 
submitting logs for CQWW CW and SSB last year. N1MM was the most popular 
by far -- 44% of logs used it. WinTest was next with 8%, TR4Win with 6%, 
CTESTWIN, N3FJP, and WriteLog , each with 4%, and QARTest with 3%. ALL 
of those are Windoze programs.

I made the recommendations for DXKeeper and N1MM because they are top 
programs in their class -- you won't find yourself having to learn 
something else when you get serious, or export years of logs to a new 
format. They are both FREE, well supported, and reasonably easy to 
learn. Indeed, my experience has been that it's much easier to learn a 
program when you don't have UN-learn another program that does the same 
thing.

FWIW -- I started with WriteLog in 2003, used it for four years. Friend 
AE6RF was running FD for our group and declared that we were using N1MM, 
so I downloaded and learned it. Within four months, I had abandoned 
WriteLog, and I've never looked back. It wasn't the cost, it was the 
features!

73, Jim K9YC

On Wed,1/27/2016 2:17 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> I have used RUMlog (a general purpose log program) and RUMped (a 
> contest logger) for several years. They are mature programs and 
> Thomas, DL2RUM provides excellent support. He has a new logging 
> program, RUMlogNG which provides the functionality of both programs 
> and is available at not cost through the Apple App store. 


From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 02:24:55 2016
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:24:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <56A99CC6.7060205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546cf050-8762-493f-bb53-2d3e0c2f9c9c@email.android.com>

It would be even 'cooler' if the KX3/K3 clocks were locked to MSF or RWM for the benefit to folks in the rest of the world! No, no, the existing Elecraft transceiver clocks are plenty accurate enough for the purpose of our logs.  If you want anything more accurate, buy a watch.

73 de David G4DMP

David Pratt on his Nexus 7 tablet.
On 28 Jan 2016 04:44, Ken <wa8jxm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Great idea! 
>
> --WA8JXM 
>
> On 1/27/16 8:45 PM, Dave Cole wrote: 
> > It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to 
> > WWV, using the data WWV sends.:)

From k3wjv at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 02:25:28 2016
From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:25:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 extra xmit frequency
References: <624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

A friend of mine (100 miles away) recently noticed a dual signal being transmitted from my K3 possibly coming to lightsince I went to high power.? The problem has surfaced when I xmit on 40 & 80 (don't know of other instances).? Thereis a duplicate signal 18khz lower on cw, reduced of course but pretty loud.? The first cw character starts out with a chirpbut cleans up after the transmission begins, but still seems like its not a pure signal according to my good friend.
RADIO HISTORY: added the 2nd vfo, synth boards, newer dsp board, newer kio3
also had a K4 tell me I had strong dual signal in a recent contest (not sure but might have been on 20 mtrs)
Any ideas on the cause(s)??
BillK3WJV
p.s. sure would be nice if I had one of my S line rcvrs operating to gain possible causes right in the shack!

From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Thu Jan 28 07:21:49 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 06:21:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <56A99CC6.7060205@gmail.com>
References: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net> <56A99CC6.7060205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AA07DD.4020305@mediacombb.net>

Or, barely useful fluff that would take up valuable firmware space.
The computer I do my logging on has a much more accurate clock mainly 
because of a little program that keeps it synchronized to the US Naval 
Observatory NTP server. It updates the computer clock every 15 minutes 
and then goes back to sleep. If I reboot the computer the program 
automatically syncs with USNO. Last update was 6 minutes before I wrote 
this. The computer clock was adjusted -0.002 seconds.

Why waste firmware space?

On 1/27/2016 10:44 PM, Ken wrote:
> Great idea!
>
> --WA8JXM
>
> On 1/27/16 8:45 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to
>> WWV, using the data WWV sends.:)
>
>


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From idarack at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 07:45:57 2016
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in RTTY Contesting
In-Reply-To: <56A9893D.5040802@blomand.net>
References: <CAGC7P25SwnP4x73Q+GavjQ8k7UcpUr+u9u6AR=1r_-uTUSgrDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A9651A.7070804@blomand.net> <56A9893D.5040802@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAGC7P251_iA-vkG9L8i+NPyA13c21wu+Zk-DbVJHBF_wn09W3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone regarding their comments on the KPA500 and RTTY
contesting.

Irwin KD3TB

On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

> OOPS ...... I forgot my Periodic table.  Heat is  not an element. But the
> same thing applies.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 1/27/2016 6:47 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
>> The most destructive element to all solid state devices is......... HEAT!
>>
>> The KPA500 seems well protected and will drop off line if the temperature
>> exceeds a preset level.   My only concern regarding pushing an amp like
>> this or any other solid state amp to near rated values, same for near
>> maximum heat values, what happens if the protection circuit fails?
>>  Hopefully the software will recognize a protective circuit failure and
>> shut the amp down.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>
>
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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Thu Jan 28 07:53:19 2016
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:53:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <56AA07DD.4020305@mediacombb.net>
References: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
	<56A99CC6.7060205@gmail.com> <56AA07DD.4020305@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <001501d159ca$de11cf30$9a356d90$@gamewood.net>

OTOH if we have bits sitting around idle, why not put them to work!

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin
Stover
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 7:22 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?

Or, barely useful fluff that would take up valuable firmware space.
The computer I do my logging on has a much more accurate clock mainly
because of a little program that keeps it synchronized to the US Naval
Observatory NTP <snip>


From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 08:03:21 2016
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:03:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <001501d159ca$de11cf30$9a356d90$@gamewood.net>
References: <465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<465745363.1088423.1453944587752.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
	<56A99CC6.7060205@gmail.com> <56AA07DD.4020305@mediacombb.net>
	<001501d159ca$de11cf30$9a356d90$@gamewood.net>
Message-ID: <94A9FC12-AC5E-4171-B734-E2515F156A5E@Alphadene.co.uk>

Id prefer them to work on a uMatic keyed!

-73 de M0XDF (from my iPhone)

> On 28 Jan 2016, at 12:53, Ken Talbott <ktalbott at gamewood.net> wrote:
> 
> OTOH if we have bits sitting around idle, why not put them to work!

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 28 08:53:34 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 extra xmit frequency
In-Reply-To: <624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56AA1D5E.7000308@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Both the signal 18kHz lower than your VFO as well as the chirp are 
certainly not normal and may point to a problem with the synthesizer.
I would suggest you swap the synthesizer boards between the main and the 
sub as a test, and if that cures it, you may have a simple fix of 
contacting Elecraft to arrange a swap with the bad synth board.
OTOH, contact K3support if it is not fixed by the synth board swap.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2016 2:25 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
> A friend of mine (100 miles away) recently noticed a dual signal being transmitted from my K3 possibly coming to lightsince I went to high power.  The problem has surfaced when I xmit on 40 & 80 (don't know of other instances).  Thereis a duplicate signal 18khz lower on cw, reduced of course but pretty loud.  The first cw character starts out with a chirpbut cleans up after the transmission begins, but still seems like its not a pure signal according to my good friend.
> RADIO HISTORY: added the 2nd vfo, synth boards, newer dsp board, newer kio3
> also had a K4 tell me I had strong dual signal in a recent contest (not sure but might have been on 20 mtrs)
> Any ideas on the cause(s)??
>


From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 09:49:17 2016
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Filters
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=uaajffFPXQ-gQtSjYSd_f414C+-m+NJDJ3XNgna6_XHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=uaajffFPXQ-gQtSjYSd_f414C+-m+NJDJ3XNgna6_XHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=vEnKn8LGPyQ17o1u9q2_vLVG1QFVkLXOXk2GbF1w9sOg@mail.gmail.com>

The filters are sold pending payment.

Joe  N9VX

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> K3 filters for sale:
>
> KFLA3A-6K  $105 shipped.
>
> KBPF3A  General coverage  $140 shipped.
>
> Shipped to CONUS only, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
> cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com
>
>  Thanks and 73,
>
>  Joe  N9VX
>

From mike at ve3yf.com  Thu Jan 28 10:13:15 2016
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:13:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator
Message-ID: <be4b45a2-10dd-46e1-abf3-3796a9356cab@getmailbird.com>

Kevin:

Not sure if you have made purchases etc, but Force-12 has 2 units (GPSDO) that are made by Leo Bodnar available that have dual outputs.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com
[http://www.ve3yf.com/]

From bbaines at mac.com  Thu Jan 28 10:24:10 2016
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Price Increase Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <6F2ACE65-82D1-4E9B-B64E-A3B511FDBCCD@mac.com>

Eric:

I presume this means that the new prices will be in effect at the Orlando Hamcation-ARRL National Convention (12-14 FEB)?  

Guess I better decide before 4 FEB rather than at Orlando?

73,

Barry
WD4ASW



> On Jan 27, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
> 
> We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales team very busy.
> 
> As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number of our products.
> 
> The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
> 
> Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the middle getting everything entered.)
> 
> Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 28 10:47:19 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:47:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 extra xmit frequency
In-Reply-To: <624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9BFF490C-E8DB-448C-9268-08B26437C86C@elecraft.com>

Bill,

This is a very unusual problem. Please contact customer support.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> A friend of mine (100 miles away) recently noticed a dual signal being transmitted from my K3?



From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Thu Jan 28 10:51:19 2016
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:51:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Regulated PS load step overshoot
Message-ID: <56AA38F7.3070904@mebtel.net>

Hi all,

On Jan 21, Ted, KN1CBR posted regarding a suspected supply transient 
problem damaging his K2.  This post encouraged me to check the response 
of different power supplies to a load step from high to low load.  This 
is a situation where the internal regulator in the supply can 
potentially overshoot due to one or a combination of several factors: 
poor regulator design, DC lead inductance, DC lead resistance and others.

The results of these load step tests are now posted on our site:
https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/
Select the 'Test Results' tab.

In general most name-brand supplies have minimal overshoot and decent 
regulation, but some very inexpensive switching regulators have terrible 
performance.  I would never suggest running expensive electronics on a 
cheap unquantified switching power supply...or linear supply for that 
matter.  A common failure mode for linear regulators when overloaded or 
overheated is shorting of the pass device.  Without a crowbar circuit 
installed this will of course put full unregulated voltage at the output 
terminals.  Conversely, failure of a power device in a switching 
regulator will cause the output to drop to zero.

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC

From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 28 11:39:18 2016
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:39:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Price Increase Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <6F2ACE65-82D1-4E9B-B64E-A3B511FDBCCD@mac.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
	<6F2ACE65-82D1-4E9B-B64E-A3B511FDBCCD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <56AA4436.4060503@elecraft.com>

Yes, that is correct.

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 1/28/2016 7:24 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
> Eric:
>
> I presume this means that the new prices will be in effect at the Orlando Hamcation-ARRL National Convention (12-14 FEB)?
>
> Guess I better decide before 4 FEB rather than at Orlando?
>
> 73,
>
> Barry
> WD4ASW
>
>
>
>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
>>
>> We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales team very busy.
>>
>> As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number of our products.
>>
>> The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
>>
>> Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the middle getting everything entered.)
>>
>> Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 28 11:58:37 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:58:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3 extra xmit frequency
Message-ID: <oaw643ouqlb41pks1ax01tpy.1454000317610@email.android.com>

FWIW, I worked a station in NAQP SSB, and then tuning down, heard him weakly and distorted but understandable about 4 kHz down. He had complimented my audio and when I said "K3" he said "me too.

73,

FRED K6DGW
Sparks NV

Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>This is a very unusual problem. Please contact customer support.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
>On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine (100 miles away) recently noticed a dual signal being transmitted from my K3?
>
>
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From pincon at erols.com  Thu Jan 28 12:13:35 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Filtering RFI from LED & flouresence Dimmer Switches
References: <006a01d1571c$07477780$15d66680$@verizon.net>	<1453732685.6887.45.camel@nostromo>	<CAPonRZ8PJa1__4548tYbeApKd2vb3H=doBs=oc9jHcPLityjWw@mail.gmail.com>	<56A6A9AD.8000804@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<56A6BC80.9060302@voodoolab.com>	<00dd01d157d3$c8faf160$5af0d420$@erols.com>
	<56A6CA47.7060900@mediacombb.net> 
Message-ID: <00c801d159ef$3c50d040$b4f270c0$@erols.com>


I replaced some of my older 2 X 4 foot,
"shop-lights" with LED versions from Costco
($27.95 ea.) in the garage and an out-building. So
far, I don't hear any RFI from them.   The LED
shop lights use a 38 Watt total draw compared to
60 W (electronic ballast) or even 90 watts (older
magnetic ballast.)  However the BIG advantage is
that come on at full brightness at 10 degrees.
Previously, the out building lights dimly
flickered and buzzed for 15 min or more until they
warmed up.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Kevin Stover
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 8:22 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filtering RFI from LED &
flouresence Dimmer Switches

My simple (=cheaper) solution is to get rid of the
dimmers all together.
How much is a good old fashioned light switch at
the big three, $1.50, two buck if you want a
matching switch plate.
When we bought our house I replaced six dimmers.
Didn't hear a peep from "she who must be obeyed".
I have about that many CFL's to swap out for
LED's. The garage fluorescents will be a different
story. They get to stay as long as they stay radio
quiet.

On 1/25/2016 6:52 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> My simple (= cheep) solution is to simply turn
off all dimmer 
> controlled lights when I'm on the air.....
> For me, this is easy since there's only two in
the whole house!
>
> Charlie k3ICH
>
>


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From phystad at mac.com  Thu Jan 28 12:53:40 2016
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:53:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Price Increase Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA4436.4060503@elecraft.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
	<6F2ACE65-82D1-4E9B-B64E-A3B511FDBCCD@mac.com>
	<56AA4436.4060503@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <8B18B7BF-FF37-481E-99C7-A460F865E740@mac.com>

But, will there be a show discount at Orlando.  Actually, I am not going but I am curious.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Jan 28, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is correct.
> 
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
> On 1/28/2016 7:24 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
>> Eric:
>> 
>> I presume this means that the new prices will be in effect at the Orlando Hamcation-ARRL National Convention (12-14 FEB)?
>> 
>> Guess I better decide before 4 FEB rather than at Orlando?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Barry
>> WD4ASW
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
>>> 
>>> We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales team very busy.
>>> 
>>> As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number of our products.
>>> 
>>> The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
>>> 
>>> Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the middle getting everything entered.)
>>> 
>>> Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Eric
>>> /elecraft.com/
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 13:14:50 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:14:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
References: <1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <1747849681.1413890.1454004890816.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Even simpler would be an app the updated the time from your PC
My Camera does that from my tablet whenever it connects


 

      From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
   
It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to
WWV, using the data WWV sends. ?:)
-- 
73's, and thanks,
Dave

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On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 01:29 +0000, Al Lorona wrote:
> 1. I have the clock on all of the time.?
> 
> 
> 2. Today when I turned on my K3 I noticed that the clock was behind
> by several seconds.
> 
> 3. All I did was hit the DISP button, then hit it again to look at
> the clock again and it was back on the correct time. As if it re-read 
> itself and updated itself to the correct time.
> 
> 4. What the heck?
> 
> 
> Al??W6LX
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From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 28 13:34:21 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:34:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator
In-Reply-To: <be4b45a2-10dd-46e1-abf3-3796a9356cab@getmailbird.com>
References: <be4b45a2-10dd-46e1-abf3-3796a9356cab@getmailbird.com>
Message-ID: <56AA5F2D.7080204@montac.com>

THANK YOU!!!  Filing that one away for NEXT month!  <air-washing hands>

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/28/2016 9:13 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Kevin:
>
> Not sure if you have made purchases etc, but Force-12 has 2 units (GPSDO) that are made by Leo Bodnar available that have dual outputs.
>
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF

From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jan 28 14:02:14 2016
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:02:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <1747849681.1413890.1454004890816.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
	<1747849681.1413890.1454004890816.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1454007734.2029.59.camel@nk7z.net>

Hi Harry,

The K3 utility app does that now...

?
73's, and thanks,
Dave

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On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 18:14 +0000, Harry Yingst wrote:
> Even simpler would be an app the updated the time from your PC
> 
> My Camera does that from my tablet whenever it connects
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net?
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
> 
> It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to
> WWV, using the data WWV sends. ?:)
> --?
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave
> 
> For software/hardware reviews see:
> http://www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> 
> For SSTV help see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 01:29 +0000, Al Lorona wrote:
> > 1. I have the clock on all of the time.?
> >?
> >?
> > 2. Today when I turned on my K3 I noticed that the clock was behind
> > by several seconds.
> >?
> > 3. All I did was hit the DISP button, then hit it again to look at
> > the clock again and it was back on the correct time. As if it re-
> read?
> > itself and updated itself to the correct time.
> >?
> > 4. What the heck?
> >?
> >?
> > Al??W6LX
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 28 14:04:02 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:04:02 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>

OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
spec'ing out my reduced order?

Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:

*http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
*
Here's the Executive summary:
K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
MH-2  Hand Mic
SS30DV  Power Supply

And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)
FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
both receivers)
FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)

Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.  Anyone
think I should do anything different?  I'm kind of capped right around
this total.

Thanks

______________________
Clay Autery
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
>
> We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first
> mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both
> the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of
> which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales
> team very busy.
>
> As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their
> prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending
> battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last
> two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we
> have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number
> of our products.
>
> The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order
> forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
>
> Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people
> about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes
> will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the
> middle getting everything entered.)
>
> Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be
> charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 14:19:34 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
	<56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CALHj_b91ojcg2K+GC7NFCRMVk-3ggDaLjnE_fQ6_co20+w-6Vw@mail.gmail.com>

I question the need for both cw filters.  These are just roofing filters,
to attenuate s9+ signals and not overload the ADC -  almost all the
filtering function is done by DSP.  In fact, unless you operate on crowded
bands with big signals, you don't need a narrow roofing filter.  If unsure,
just get the wider cw filter.

Barry N1EU

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
> order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
> spec'ing out my reduced order?
>
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:
>
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
> *
> Here's the Executive summary:
> K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
> KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
> KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
> MH-2  Hand Mic
> SS30DV  Power Supply
>
> And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)
> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
> both receivers)
> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)
>
> Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.  Anyone
> think I should do anything different?  I'm kind of capped right around
> this total.
>
> Thanks
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> > Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
> >
> > We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first
> > mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both
> > the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of
> > which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales
> > team very busy.
> >
> > As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their
> > prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending
> > battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last
> > two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we
> > have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number
> > of our products.
> >
> > The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order
> > forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
> >
> > Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people
> > about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes
> > will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the
> > middle getting everything entered.)
> >
> > Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be
> > charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
> >
> > 73,
> > Eric
> > /elecraft.com/
> ______________________________________________________________
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From valvetbone at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 14:33:01 2016
From: valvetbone at gmail.com (Art Hejduk)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:33:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
	<56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+AYhtGzAj2vjV3R5Dz8KoX4n8ch=EpOu-H3LPREcc6dvVMq=w@mail.gmail.com>

Clay,

The FM filter will work for both AM and FM.  That's what I chose.  Also, I
would (did) just get the 400Hz CW filter.

73,
Art  WB8ENE

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
> order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
> spec'ing out my reduced order?
>
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:
>
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
> *
> Here's the Executive summary:
> K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
> KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
> KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
> MH-2  Hand Mic
> SS30DV  Power Supply
>
> And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)
> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
> both receivers)
> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)
>
> Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.  Anyone
> think I should do anything different?  I'm kind of capped right around
> this total.
>
> Thanks
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> > Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
> >
> > We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first
> > mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both
> > the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of
> > which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales
> > team very busy.
> >
> > As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their
> > prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending
> > battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last
> > two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we
> > have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number
> > of our products.
> >
> > The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order
> > forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
> >
> > Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people
> > about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes
> > will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the
> > middle getting everything entered.)
> >
> > Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be
> > charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
> >
> > 73,
> > Eric
> > /elecraft.com/
> ______________________________________________________________
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From mike at ki8r.com  Thu Jan 28 14:43:11 2016
From: mike at ki8r.com (Michael Murphy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:43:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com>
	<56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+iQqth614nWPKR7oRKcGhYG9kOzAD=enSkJP87Fo9rVwODviQ@mail.gmail.com>

When I ordered my K3 13 months ago, I spent time talking it through with
one of the guys at Elecraft.  I considered swapping the 2.7 for the 2.8
filter, but didn't.  Now I don't see a reason to and am glad I didn't
bother.

As for the 250 CW filter, I do contest, but have used it maybe once or
twice since I've had the radio.  If I had it to do over again, I would have
stopped at the 400hz filter.

Mike - KI8R

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
> order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
> spec'ing out my reduced order?
>
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:
>
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
> *
> Here's the Executive summary:
> K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
> KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
> KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
> MH-2  Hand Mic
> SS30DV  Power Supply
>
> And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)
> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
> both receivers)
> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)
>
> Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.  Anyone
> think I should do anything different?  I'm kind of capped right around
> this total.
>
> Thanks
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> > Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
> >
> > We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first
> > mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both
> > the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of
> > which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales
> > team very busy.
> >
> > As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their
> > prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending
> > battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last
> > two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we
> > have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number
> > of our products.
> >
> > The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order
> > forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
> >
> > Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people
> > about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes
> > will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the
> > middle getting everything entered.)
> >
> > Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be
> > charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
> >
> > 73,
> > Eric
> > /elecraft.com/
> ______________________________________________________________
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-----------------------------------------------
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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 28 15:50:36 2016
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (a******@sbcglobal)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:50:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <1454007734.2029.59.camel@nk7z.net>
References: <1453945545.2691.33.camel@nk7z.net>
	<1747849681.1413890.1454004890816.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1454007734.2029.59.camel@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <DF47DD09-80ED-45F5-8CD2-0CF1D3E5CF9B@sbcglobal.net>

I must hold the record for threads hijacked by the group. 

I just wanted to report what I thought might be a bug, not re-think the whole clock thing. I like the clock the way it is. 

Al  W6LX


> On Jan 28, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Harry,
> 
> The K3 utility app does that now...
> 
>  
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave
> 
> For software/hardware reviews see:
> http://www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> 
> For SSTV help see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 18:14 +0000, Harry Yingst wrote:
>> Even simpler would be an app the updated the time from your PC
>> 
>> My Camera does that from my tablet whenever it connects
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
>> 
>> It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to
>> WWV, using the data WWV sends.  :)
>> -- 
>> 73's, and thanks,
>> Dave
>> 

From bparris23 at nc.rr.com  Thu Jan 28 15:53:54 2016
From: bparris23 at nc.rr.com (Bill Parris)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:53:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
	Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <CA+iQqth614nWPKR7oRKcGhYG9kOzAD=enSkJP87Fo9rVwODviQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com><56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
	<CA+iQqth614nWPKR7oRKcGhYG9kOzAD=enSkJP87Fo9rVwODviQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E532CC9BE320458AAEABADADE7F26914@Billpc>

I agree .... I contest a lot, but seldom use the 250.  If I were on the 
other side of the pileup it would probably be a good idea.

Bill, AA4R

-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Murphy
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:43 PM
To: Clay Autery
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase 
Alert for Feb 4th.

When I ordered my K3 13 months ago, I spent time talking it through with
one of the guys at Elecraft.  I considered swapping the 2.7 for the 2.8
filter, but didn't.  Now I don't see a reason to and am glad I didn't
bother.

As for the 250 CW filter, I do contest, but have used it maybe once or
twice since I've had the radio.  If I had it to do over again, I would have
stopped at the 400hz filter.

Mike - KI8R

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
> order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
> spec'ing out my reduced order?
>
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:
>
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
> *
> Here's the Executive summary:
> K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
> KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
> KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
> MH-2  Hand Mic
> SS30DV  Power Supply
>
> And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)
> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
> both receivers)
> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)
>
> Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.  Anyone
> think I should do anything different?  I'm kind of capped right around
> this total.
>
> Thanks
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> > Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
> >
> > We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first
> > mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both
> > the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of
> > which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales
> > team very busy.
> >
> > As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their
> > prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending
> > battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last
> > two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we
> > have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number
> > of our products.
> >
> > The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order
> > forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
> >
> > Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people
> > about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes
> > will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the
> > middle getting everything entered.)
> >
> > Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be
> > charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
> >
> > 73,
> > Eric
> > /elecraft.com/
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From wes at triconet.org  Thu Jan 28 15:54:58 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:54:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator
In-Reply-To: <be4b45a2-10dd-46e1-abf3-3796a9356cab@getmailbird.com>
References: <be4b45a2-10dd-46e1-abf3-3796a9356cab@getmailbird.com>
Message-ID: <56AA8022.5070307@triconet.org>

I just got one of these.

On 1/28/2016 8:13 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Kevin:
>
> Not sure if you have made purchases etc, but Force-12 has 2 units (GPSDO) that are made by Leo Bodnar available that have dual outputs.
>
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF
>
> http://www.ve3yf.com
> [http://www.ve3yf.com/]
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 16:02:36 2016
From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:02:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price
	Increase	Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <E532CC9BE320458AAEABADADE7F26914@Billpc>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com> <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
	<CA+iQqth614nWPKR7oRKcGhYG9kOzAD=enSkJP87Fo9rVwODviQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E532CC9BE320458AAEABADADE7F26914@Billpc>
Message-ID: <1949604159.10113084.1454014956096.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

When I am running in a contest, the 400hz filter is perfect to be able to catch callers calling above and below my call freq. But, when I S&P or am trying to work a Dxpedition station, I am glad I have the 250hz filter, especially for a DXpedition. I will also then typically use additional DSP filter to tighten down to 150hz. This really helps especially when the frequency cops get going, as most of them will be outside of that narrow of a passband. I'm glad I went with the tighter filter for this purpose. 
? 
Gene N9TF 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill Parris" <bparris23 at nc.rr.com> 
To: "Michael Murphy" <mike at ki8r.com>, "Clay Autery" <cautery at montac.com> 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:53:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase????????Alert for Feb 4th. 

I agree .... I contest a lot, but seldom use the 250. ?If I were on the 
other side of the pileup it would probably be a good idea. 

Bill, AA4R 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Murphy 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:43 PM 
To: Clay Autery 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase 
Alert for Feb 4th. 

When I ordered my K3 13 months ago, I spent time talking it through with 
one of the guys at Elecraft. ?I considered swapping the 2.7 for the 2.8 
filter, but didn't. ?Now I don't see a reason to and am glad I didn't 
bother. 

As for the 250 CW filter, I do contest, but have used it maybe once or 
twice since I've had the radio. ?If I had it to do over again, I would have 
stopped at the 400hz filter. 

Mike - KI8R 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote: 

> OK... ?so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line 
> order... ?I've paired it back. ?Anyone interested in offering me a 
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in 
> spec'ing out my reduced order? 
> 
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart: 
> 
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg 
> * 
> Here's the Executive summary: 
> K3S/100K ?Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module 
> KRX3A-K ?Secondary Receiver 
> KAT3A-K ?Internal Antenna tuner 
> MH-2 ?Hand Mic 
> SS30DV ?Power Supply 
> 
> And here's the filters I am going to end up with: 
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM 
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K ?(AM/eSSB) 
> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw ?(trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on 
> both receivers) 
> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400 ?(CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently 
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer) 
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW) 
> 
> Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it. ?Anyone 
> think I should do anything different? ?I'm kind of capped right around 
> this total. 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> ______________________ 
> Clay Autery 
> MONTAC Enterprises 
> (318) 518-1389 
> 
> On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: 
> > Early alert for our Elecraft list readers: 
> > 
> > We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first 
> > mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both 
> > the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of 
> > which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales 
> > team very busy. 
> > 
> > As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their 
> > prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending 
> > battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last 
> > two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we 
> > have hit the point where we ?must increase prices slightly on a number 
> > of our products. 
> > 
> > The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th. ?Our on-line order 
> > forms will update with the new pricing at that time. 
> > 
> > Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people 
> > about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes 
> > will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the 
> > middle getting everything entered.) 
> > 
> > Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be 
> > charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship. 
> > 
> > 73, 
> > Eric 
> > /elecraft.com/ 
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From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 16:28:27 2016
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:28:27 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
	Alert for Feb 4th.
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com> <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CF9D37881811486891028F85A2214B37@cdcmobile>

Clay,
I would give up so many filter leaving only both stock SSB in both RX and 
adding 400Hz CW for the main RX.
If you are into contesting or DXing I would rather swap hand mike for Heil 
IC headset.
If you are into Digi I would order KTCXO3
All the rest can be added later.

73, Igor UA9CDC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clay Autery" <cautery at montac.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase 
Alert for Feb 4th.


> OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
> order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
> spec'ing out my reduced order?
>
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:
>
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
> *
> Here's the Executive summary:
> K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
> KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
> KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
> MH-2  Hand Mic
> SS30DV  Power Supply
>
> And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)
> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
> both receivers)
> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)
>
> Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.  Anyone
> think I should do anything different?  I'm kind of capped right around
> this total.
>
> Thanks
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
>>
>> We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first
>> mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both
>> the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of
>> which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales
>> team very busy.
>>
>> As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their
>> prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending
>> battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last
>> two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we
>> have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number
>> of our products.
>>
>> The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order
>> forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
>>
>> Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people
>> about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes
>> will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the
>> middle getting everything entered.)
>>
>> Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be
>> charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Jan 28 16:29:20 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com> <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
Message-ID: <56AA8830.2010508@subich.com>


 > FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
 > FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)

I would not bother with the KFL3A-6K .. go with the KFL3A-FM for
both FM and AM.  There is no downside to using the FM filter for
AM or ESSB transmit (if you ever do).

 > FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
 > both receivers)

Don't bother, you will not see the difference and the new firmware will
allow using filters with different offsets when you use diversity
reception.

 > FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
 > working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
 > FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)

The difference in bandwidth between KFL43A-400 (435 Hz @ -6dB) and
KFL3A-250 (370 Hz @ -6dB) does not justify having both.  Save up for
the Elecraft 200 Hz filter if/when it becomes available again or get
a wider filter (Inrad 500 Hz or 700 Hz) if you want.

Although I would not start out with a "full" set of filters in both
Main/Sub RX, my recommendation would be:

FL1:  KFL3B-FM/KFL3B-FM
FL2:  Standard/Standard (2.7 KHz)
FL3:  KFL3A-1.8 or KFL3A-2.1/KFL3A-1.8 or KFL3A-2.1
FL4:  KFL34A-400/KFL3A-400
FL5:  KFL3A-200/KFL3A-200 (when available)

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/28/2016 2:04 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
> order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
> spec'ing out my reduced order?
>
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:
>
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
> *
> Here's the Executive summary:
> K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
> KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
> KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
> MH-2  Hand Mic
> SS30DV  Power Supply
>
> And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)
> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
> both receivers)
> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)
>
> Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.  Anyone
> think I should do anything different?  I'm kind of capped right around
> this total.
>
> Thanks
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:02 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> Early alert for our Elecraft list readers:
>>
>> We're finally implementing the planned price changes that we first
>> mentioned late last year. We ended up delaying that change due to both
>> the large holiday season order rush and several ham shows, both of
>> which always generate a lot of sales sales activity and keep our sales
>> team very busy.
>>
>> As noted before, our costs are going up as our vendors increase their
>> prices to us and our labor costs also increase. (Its a never ending
>> battle to keep costs down as economic activity has picked up the last
>> two years.) We've been absorbing all of these increases, but now we
>> have hit the point where we  must increase prices slightly on a number
>> of our products.
>>
>> The prices will change on next Thursday, Feb. 4th.  Our on-line order
>> forms will update with the new pricing at that time.
>>
>> Please resist the urge to call or email our sales / support people
>> about which specific products will be changing or how much the changes
>> will be, as they do not have this information. (We're still in the
>> middle getting everything entered.)
>>
>> Of course, all orders received -prior- to the Feb 4th increase will be
>> charged at the lower pre-increase pricing when they ship.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 28 16:51:01 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:51:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences for
	Portable Use
References: <56AA7E41.5090501@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <EC69B9FE-7FF0-4405-9C21-575912407597@elecraft.com>

Interesting comparison between the KX3 and the 817 by M0JCQ, a serious portable operator. Don't let the fact that I'm hopelessly biased influence your guess about which rig he prefers :)

http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From jkramer at iafrica.com  Thu Jan 28 17:05:44 2016
From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:05:44 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences
	for Portable Use
In-Reply-To: <EC69B9FE-7FF0-4405-9C21-575912407597@elecraft.com>
References: <56AA7E41.5090501@elecraft.com>
	<EC69B9FE-7FF0-4405-9C21-575912407597@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>

Interesting read Wayne. So to sum up, the only areas the FT-817 beats the KX3 is that
it has a better speaker and you can change the colour of the backlit display :)

That would be easy - put a better speaker in the KX3, and give it an adjustable blue/green or
amber backlit display?and then the FT-817 will have nothing over and above the KX3 :)

Come to think of it?the KX3 with a blue backlit display would look cool

73
John, ZS5J



On 28 Jan 2016, at 11:51 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Interesting comparison between the KX3 and the 817 by M0JCQ, a serious portable operator. Don't let the fact that I'm hopelessly biased influence your guess about which rig he prefers :)

http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/ <http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/>

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From hsherriff at reagan.com  Thu Jan 28 17:07:09 2016
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 enclosure top
Message-ID: <owod0mtvk00it5rcushyf2xx.1454018829292@email.android.com>


    

I have a K2 top panel with speaker and aux/IO board I no longer need. Someone willing to pay shipping, ?it's yours. Contact me off list. ?HsherriffATreaganDOTcom

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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 17:09:20 2016
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:09:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences
	for Portable Use
In-Reply-To: <E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
References: <56AA7E41.5090501@elecraft.com>
	<EC69B9FE-7FF0-4405-9C21-575912407597@elecraft.com>
	<E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <FC63DC98-B642-4221-B3EE-97F5FFF3F1A0@gmail.com>

Don?t touch my KX3 - lol
KG9H

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 4:05 PM, John Kramer <jkramer at iafrica.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting read Wayne. So to sum up, the only areas the FT-817 beats the KX3 is that
> it has a better speaker and you can change the colour of the backlit display :)
> 
> That would be easy - put a better speaker in the KX3, and give it an adjustable blue/green or
> amber backlit display?and then the FT-817 will have nothing over and above the KX3 :)
> 
> Come to think of it?the KX3 with a blue backlit display would look cool
> 
> 73
> John, ZS5J
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 Jan 2016, at 11:51 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Interesting comparison between the KX3 and the 817 by M0JCQ, a serious portable operator. Don't let the fact that I'm hopelessly biased influence your guess about which rig he prefers :)
> 
> http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/ <http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/>
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jan 28 17:09:21 2016
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:09:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences
	for Portable Use
In-Reply-To: <E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
References: <56AA7E41.5090501@elecraft.com>
	<EC69B9FE-7FF0-4405-9C21-575912407597@elecraft.com>
	<E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <2D4A256D-FBCB-47C9-9373-E27CE50280F2@wunderwood.org>

And even though the KX3 doesn?t have a built-in battery. Except it does. I added a comment about that.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
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http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 2:05 PM, John Kramer jkramer at iafrica.com [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting read Wayne. So to sum up, the only areas the FT-817 beats the KX3 is that
> 
> it has a better speaker and you can change the colour of the backlit display :)
> 
> That would be easy - put a better speaker in the KX3, and give it an adjustable blue/green or
> amber backlit display?and then the FT-817 will have nothing over and above the KX3 :)
> 
> Come to think of it?the KX3 with a blue backlit display would look cool
> 
> 73
> John, ZS5J
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 Jan 2016, at 11:51 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com> [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com <mailto:KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Interesting comparison between the KX3 and the 817 by M0JCQ, a serious portable operator. Don't let the fact that I'm hopelessly biased influence your guess about which rig he prefers :)
> 
> http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/ <http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/>
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jkramer at iafrica.com  Thu Jan 28 17:19:48 2016
From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:19:48 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences for
	Portable Use
In-Reply-To: <E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
References: <56AA7E41.5090501@elecraft.com>
	<EC69B9FE-7FF0-4405-9C21-575912407597@elecraft.com>
	<E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <487BF79F-0A65-4E75-A5FE-5596CC93E045@iafrica.com>

I have the three - FT-817ND, IC-703 plus and the KX3. I would say the IC-703 plus presents more of
a formidable competition to the KX3 than the FT-817.
The IC-703 gives 10 watts, built-in ATU, big display (similar to the KX3) features where the FT-817
falls short. 
When I go outdoors, it is usually a toss-up between the KX3 and the IC-703 plus. If the operating
environment is a little rough, then I would take the IC-703 - I don?t want to hurt my KX3 :) but
under all other circumstances, the KX3 is my choice. My FT-817 never cracks the nod, to come
along on outdoor adventures - not enough power when the bands are in bad shape, no built in ATU, 
and that small display that you have to squint at?.nope.

73
John, ZS5J  C91J



On 28 Jan 2016, at 11:51 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com> [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com <mailto:KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Interesting comparison between the KX3 and the 817 by M0JCQ, a serious portable operator. Don't let the fact that I'm hopelessly biased influence your guess about which rig he prefers :)

http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/ <http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/>

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From hsherriff at reagan.com  Thu Jan 28 17:35:50 2016
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:35:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 enclosure top
Message-ID: <op9w4jl9l522r1p31dp8uyrj.1454020550779@email.android.com>


    
Panel is gone......


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-------- Original message --------
From: hsherriff <hsherriff at reagan.com> 
Date: 01/28/2016  5:07 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Elecraft Email <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 enclosure top 


??? 

I have a K2 top panel with speaker and aux/IO board I no longer need. Someone willing to pay shipping, ?it's yours. Contact me off list. ?HsherriffATreaganDOTcom

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jan 28 17:42:18 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:42:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
	Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA8830.2010508@subich.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10113i-0163E7F360EA43FCACA5F45EC43FE765@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I like Joe's list of filters in general. But if money is tight, 
I would only get the standard 2.7 filters. Filters are easy to 
add later, and the DSP filtering is quite good unless you have 
really strong nearby stations and are trying to pick a weak 
signal out of the noise.

The kit form is a good choice for saving some money. They are 
easy to build, unless you have serious physical or visual problems.

I have the 250 Hz filters which I use to handle nearby high 
power (50+ watts) PSK signals. I also use them on CW, although 
if I am trying to pull something like VP6STI out of the noise, 
I'll narrow the DSP down to 50Hz to eliminate as much band noise 
as I can. The narrower crystal filters can help keep the pileup 
and the up cops out of the receive bandpass which avoids having 
the AGC make the DX disappear.

I, along with lots of others here, use the Yamaha CM-500 
headphones for voice modes. There are some cheaper headsets 
which have also received good reports here on the reflector.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/28/16 at 1:29 PM, lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) wrote:

>FL1:  KFL3B-FM/KFL3B-FM
>FL2:  Standard/Standard (2.7 KHz)
>FL3:  KFL3A-1.8 or KFL3A-2.1/KFL3A-1.8 or KFL3A-2.1
>FL4:  KFL34A-400/KFL3A-400
>FL5:  KFL3A-200/KFL3A-200 (when available)
>
>
>On 1/28/2016 2:04 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
>>order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
>>second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
>>spec'ing out my reduced order?
...
>>*
>>Here's the Executive summary:
>>K3S/100K  Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
>>KRX3A-K  Secondary Receiver
>>KAT3A-K  Internal Antenna tuner
>>MH-2  Hand Mic
>>SS30DV  Power Supply
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From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 17:50:24 2016
From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:50:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
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Clay,
If you are a bit strapped for cash (or just want to wait and see what you REALLY need), ?rather than a full house of filters, I would put my available funds on other "STUFF". ?Remember, the filters are ROOFING filters, the DSP filter is the work horse for narrowing the passband.?
First thing you have to decide is what type of operator you are; and then decide what you need (for instance, if you are not a DXer or contester, the sub receiver is most likely not necessary). As for myself, I consider myself a "upper middle gun" DXer (top of the honor roll on SSB/Mixed and two short on CW - P5 and 3Y0B), and I have the sub receiver, Ant Tuner,?KDVR3, ?and KTCXO-3.
As for filters,?I have the 6.0 KHz, 2.7 KHz, 1.8 KHz, 400 Hz, and the 200 Hz filters in both the main and sub receivers. To be honest with you, I have not found much use for the 6.0, 1.8, or 200 Hz ones (probably count on one hand the times I have used them). ?I find the DVR very useful in recording my contacts (especially the ESP ones!) and being able to sit back and listen to the contact and make sure it was a good one. ?If you are into digital modes, he high stability osc is nice option. ?I would forget about the MH-2 (unless you are making up an ARES GO Kit), and spend your money you save on that and un-necessary roofing filters on a Heil Pro 7 and/or a Heil PR-10 desk mic.?
If you find you are in dire need of additional ROOFING Filters, you can always add them later. Or if you plan on operating FM (which I do not), the FM filter might be a good option right now. ?If you are a "top dog" contester where you have a lot of strong stations near by, ?an additional roofing filter might be in the cards; but I will defer addressing that need to an experienced contester. ?
Dick, K8ZTT
 

      From: Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:04 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase Alert for Feb 4th.
   
OK...? so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
order...? I've paired it back.? Anyone interested in offering me a
second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
spec'ing out my reduced order?

Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:

*http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
*
Here's the Executive summary:
K3S/100K? Transceiver with 100 Watt amp module
KRX3A-K? Secondary Receiver
KAT3A-K? Internal Antenna tuner
MH-2? Hand Mic
SS30DV? Power Supply

And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K? (AM/eSSB)
FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw? (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
both receivers)
FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400? (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)

Lot's of other stuff I'd LIKE to have, but just can't do it.? Anyone
think I should do anything different?? I'm kind of capped right around
this total.

Thanks

______________________
Clay Autery
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

  

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 28 17:55:53 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:55:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com> <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
Message-ID: <56AA9C79.7040702@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/28/2016 11:04 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> OK...  so I don't have time to complete my stack of cash for my K-Line
> order...  I've paired it back.  Anyone interested in offering me a
> second pair of eyes to see if I am making any glaring mistakes in
> spec'ing out my reduced order?
>
> Here's a link to a screen shot of my shopping cart:
>
> *http://www.montac.com/pics/Elecraft_Draft_Order.jpg
> *
> MH-2  Hand Mic
Waste of money. Go with a Yamaha CM500 or Koss SB-45 headset with boom 
mic. Both are comfortable, and both headphones and mic sound great.

> SS30DV  Power Supply

Any regulated PSU that will do 20A at 13.8V is fine.

> And here's the filters I am going to end up with:
> FL1 - Reserved for FM/Reserved for FM
> FL2 - KFL3A-6K/KFL3A-6K  (AM/eSSB)

I would put off buying a 6 kHz filter until you know you need it. The K3 
is sufficiently stable that AM sounds quite good with SSB decoding.

> FL3 - KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw/KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw  (trade-up to 2.8kHz/8-pole on
> both receivers)

Definitely NOT on the 2nd RX. The virtue of the 2.8 kHz filter is less 
ripple in the passband, which results in a bit less incidental AM in 
RTTY mode. That only matters in the main board.  And when we run 
diversity, it's usually to pull out super weak CW signals, so I wouldn't 
worry about matching between RX for that one.

> FL4 - KFL3A-400/KFL3A-400  (CW... yes, this "no-code" is diligently
> working to achieve 25wpm before the end of summer)
> FL5 - KFL3A-250/KFL3A-250 (CW)

As others have observed, remember that these are ROOFING filters, whose 
function is to protect the DSP from super-strong signals outside the 
passband. Primary IF filtering is provided in DSP. The two filters do, 
of course, cascade when they are nearly the same bandwidth, resulting in 
steeper skirts.

400 Hz is the desired bandwidth for RTTY because it has less phase shift 
in the passband than a narrower filter.  It's also a good CW filter. BUT 
-- I am a very active contester and DXer, and I mostly use the 250 Hz 
filter, and that's the one that I have in both RX.

You also want the KXV3B if it's not stock with the radio, both because 
it gives you the preamp for 6/10/12M, and a patch point for the RX 
signal path.

73, Jim K9YC

73



From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jan 28 17:57:14 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:57:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences
	for Portable Use
In-Reply-To: <E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10113i-4DBD2D71D40742FFB0A43F5968300328@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

The KX3 also lacks the 70cm band. Since our ARES/RACES group 
uses that band (on rare occasions), it would be useful for those 
activations. It would also be another band for the ARRL VHF 
contest -- backpack mode. :-)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/29/16 at 2:05 PM, jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer) wrote:

>Interesting read Wayne. So to sum up, the only areas the FT-817 beats the KX3 is that
>it has a better speaker and you can change the colour of the backlit display :)

Original article:

<http://www.hamblog.co.uk/yaesu-817nd-vs-elecraft-kx3-differences-for-portable-use/>

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 28 18:01:29 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:01:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <49262662.1521567.1454021424374.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
	<49262662.1521567.1454021424374.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56AA9DC9.7050603@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/28/2016 2:50 PM, RIchard Williams via Elecraft wrote:
>   Heil Pro 7 and/or a Heil PR-10 desk mic

Wildly over-priced and over-hyped. The Yamaha CM500 and Koss SB-45 sound 
better and more comfortable than the Heil headset at a tiny fraction of 
the cost.

73, Jim K9YC

From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 28 18:41:51 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:41:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
References: <56A94C7F.3040003@elecraft.com> <56AA6622.3050400@montac.com>
Message-ID: <56AAA73F.8080802@montac.com>

I cannot express how thankful I am for the overwhelming and helpful
response to my inquiry.
Between y'all and David, Elecraft support, I think we have a pretty good
plan in the works.

Now I have to go do my reading homework.  ;)

You all have a great evening!

______________________
Clay Autery



From faunt at panix.com  Thu Jan 28 20:06:20 2016
From: faunt at panix.com (Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:06:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Powder coat texture on Elecraft gear
In-Reply-To: <56A52560.5080505@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <9v9j1s00A02Ur0601v9jJk@charter.net>
	<56A52560.5080505@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <56AABB0C.2060307@panix.com>

Hi,
Does the satin black powder-coating match Elecraft?

I'm working on a addition to my KX-3 station, and now have access to 
powder-coating equipment, but don't have access to samples of various 
samples right now.

Some of you have figured this out, I'm sure.

73, doug

BTW, I've been out-of-touch, and have 25000+ email messages in the 
Elecraft and KX3 mail directories.  And that's after catching up a bit.




From gijoe1644 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 20:15:05 2016
From: gijoe1644 at gmail.com (J. Fielden)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:15:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 receiver
Message-ID: <CAPYNya+scC=SFGibr+S1D1S=ZQ4S+d-8dGmZghCkQXh9BZ_Bbw@mail.gmail.com>

is the kx3 receiver RF direct sampling or ?

-- 
72/73, Jim - wa4ar

From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jan 28 20:21:09 2016
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:21:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Powder coat texture on Elecraft gear
In-Reply-To: <56AABB0C.2060307@panix.com>
References: <9v9j1s00A02Ur0601v9jJk@charter.net>
	<56A52560.5080505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56AABB0C.2060307@panix.com>
Message-ID: <56AABE85.3010202@montac.com>

I don't have any Elecraft to compare it to yet...

But the flat black I got from Witt's Powder Coating in Bossier City, LA
is an almost EXACT match with Heil boom powder coating...

Well...  since O was only doing a mic body and a suspension mount (total
of 4 small pieces), I piggy backed on their regular flat black run and
it only cost me $40 cash...

As long as I can get great service and that pricing, I won't be doing
any on my own.  :)

Night y'all... I gotta study and sleep.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery

On 1/28/2016 7:06 PM, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197 wrote:
> Hi,
> Does the satin black powder-coating match Elecraft?
>
> I'm working on a addition to my KX-3 station, and now have access to
> powder-coating equipment, but don't have access to samples of various
> samples right now.
>
> Some of you have figured this out, I'm sure.
>
> 73, doug
>
> BTW, I've been out-of-touch, and have 25000+ email messages in the
> Elecraft and KX3 mail directories.  And that's after catching up a bit.
>
>
>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Thu Jan 28 20:33:02 2016
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:33:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
	hear the sidetones?
Message-ID: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>

I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to use my key
and hear the sidetone during practice. 
I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue but I
don't hear the sidetone. 
I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go over the
air) and hear what I send via computer.
Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
Thanks in advance.
Jer

Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.



From lists at subich.com  Thu Jan 28 20:33:58 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:33:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price Increase
 Alert for Feb 4th.
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10113i-0163E7F360EA43FCACA5F45EC43FE765@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-0163E7F360EA43FCACA5F45EC43FE765@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <56AAC186.2060101@subich.com>


On 1/28/2016 5:42 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> I like Joe's list of filters in general. But if money is tight, I would
> only get the standard 2.7 filters. Filters are easy to add later, and
> the DSP filtering is quite good unless you have really strong nearby
> stations and are trying to pick a weak signal out of the noise.

I agree with this ... I would start with FM filters (for the ability to
do FM and/or AM), 2.7 KHz filters and the 400 Hz filters.  The others
can be added later as funds are available and the need is established.

As to microphones, I would also recommend the Koss SB-45 headset and/or
an inexpensive dynamic "vocal" mic which can often be found for < $25
(e.g. Audio-Technica ATR-1300: $19.42 at B&H Photovideo) - far less
expensive than the overpriced and over-hyped Heil products.  Even a
step up to the Shure PGA48 will only set you back $39, half the price
of the Heil HM-12 or one quarter the price of a Heil GM.

Due to the TXEQ in the K3 there will be no difference in a 100 Hz-4 KHz
transmit bandwidth between the inexpensive and heavily promoted mics -
particularly if using VOX or a foot switch.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 28 20:43:44 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:43:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 receiver
In-Reply-To: <CAPYNya+scC=SFGibr+S1D1S=ZQ4S+d-8dGmZghCkQXh9BZ_Bbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPYNya+scC=SFGibr+S1D1S=ZQ4S+d-8dGmZghCkQXh9BZ_Bbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AAC3D0.3070806@embarqmail.com>

Not direct sampling if by that you mean an ADC at the antenna.

The KX3 downconverts the signals to baseband (audio range) with a pair 
of mixers that are operated 90 degrees out of phase, then converts the 
resulting mixer outputs to digital, then processes the digital signals 
for demodulation, filtering, etc.

The KX3 can also convert to 8kHz rather than baseband if needed, but the 
use of the roofing filter is not possible when that is used.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2016 8:15 PM, J. Fielden wrote:
> is the kx3 receiver RF direct sampling or ?
>


From lists at subich.com  Thu Jan 28 20:52:41 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:52:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
 hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <56AAC5E9.2060704@subich.com>


> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue
> but I don't hear the sidetone.

Turn up MONI (monitor).  For more information, see the K3S Owner's
Manual.  Monitor also functions in TEST mode.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to use my key
> and hear the sidetone during practice.
> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue but I
> don't hear the sidetone.
> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go over the
> air) and hear what I send via computer.
> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
> Thanks in advance.
> Jer
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 20:53:50 2016
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:53:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] An FM Filter working for AM or ??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16902.1454021490.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.16902.1454021490.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB06154CB4314EEA0D4A96C84991DB0@CY1PR15MB0615.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Can someone unravel this for me?   IF the FM filter works for AM, does the AM filter work for FM ?  If not, why not ?  Elecraft says:

** AM and FM bandwidth filters are required on the main K3 TX/RX board for TX in AM and FM modes. (Only one AM filter is required for AM TX/RX, and one FM filter for FM TX/RX.) All filters can be used for RX in any mode.

So,, just what do those of us new to the K3 line need to know when choosing an AM filter ?  Are they saying "Pick your transmit mode and don't worry about the receive mode?"


This in response to:

/Message: 7
/Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:33:01 -0500
/From: Art Hejduk <valvetbone at gmail.com>
/To: Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
/Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
/Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price
 /       Increase Alert for Feb 4th.
/
/Clay,
/
/The FM filter will work for both AM and FM.  That's what I chose.  Also, I
/would (did) just get the 400Hz CW filter.
/
/73,
/Art  WB8ENE
/

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 28 20:55:13 2016
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:55:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 receiver
In-Reply-To: <CAPYNya+scC=SFGibr+S1D1S=ZQ4S+d-8dGmZghCkQXh9BZ_Bbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPYNya+scC=SFGibr+S1D1S=ZQ4S+d-8dGmZghCkQXh9BZ_Bbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E90B47BE-005E-4AD1-8E0E-B424E1002466@elecraft.com>

J. Fielden <gijoe1644 at gmail.com> wrote:

> is the kx3 receiver RF direct sampling or ?

Hi Jim,

The KX3's architecture is pretty unique. First, we use a quadrature downconverter to get I and Q signals at a baseband (zero Hz) I.F. Using a zero I.F. allows us to insert optional high-performance analog roofing filters into the path, protecting the A-to-D converter and DSP from out-of-band signals. The roofing filter module includes a narrow filter for CW and a medium filter for SSB/DATA.

When the filters are installed, the KX3 has blocking dynamic range of nearly 140 dB, higher than that of even the most advanced direct-sampling radios. (But not quite as high as the K3S, which uses a superhet architecture with crystal filters to obtain off-the-charts dynamic range in the 150 dB range.) 

With the filter module, the KX3 places 5th on Sherwood's receiver performance chart:

   http://www.sherweng.com/table.html

Even without this module, the KX3 receiver would still be in the top ten. 

That's the long answer :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From sidfrissell at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 20:57:39 2016
From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:57:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clay Autry K3S order
Message-ID: <C078AAAD-D18E-49E2-8D43-AA4BDC64AD4D@gmail.com>

That's almost exactly what I ordered some months ago (except I sprang for the Panadaptor. My only regret is not getting the KD3RV Digital Voice Recorder.  Otherwise, I am very happy with what I bought. For what I paid I have to be happy, happy, happy!

Sid, NZ7M

Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 3:51 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
> total.

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jan 28 21:28:47 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
	hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AAC5E9.2060704@subich.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<56AAC5E9.2060704@subich.com>
Message-ID: <F2C9C7D1-A066-4E10-9C7A-2A9AF4DE5167@widomaker.com>

You might need to be in CW mode to turn up the sideline. There are separate settings for CW and SSB I believe. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 28, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue
>> but I don't hear the sidetone.
> 
> Turn up MONI (monitor).  For more information, see the K3S Owner's
> Manual.  Monitor also functions in TEST mode.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to use my key
>> and hear the sidetone during practice.
>> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue but I
>> don't hear the sidetone.
>> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go over the
>> air) and hear what I send via computer.
>> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Jer
>> 
>> Jerry Moore
>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
>> Patriotic.
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jan 28 21:31:25 2016
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:31:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] An FM Filter working for AM or ??
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR15MB06154CB4314EEA0D4A96C84991DB0@CY1PR15MB0615.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10113i-B9A5717A57504E9FACF9D6CD1ABA68D4@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

It used to be that you needed an AM filter for AM (6KHz 
bandwidth) and an FM filter for FM (c15KHz bandwidth). A while 
ago, a firmware update made it possible to transmit AM using the 
FM filter.

Because you can now run AM through the FM filter, there isn't a 
lot of use for it. If you run ESSB it may be useful for blocking 
nearby strong stations. It also may improve your AM signal or 
ESSB signal over using the FM filter, but I haven't seen any 
real tests of this possibility.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/29/16 at 5:53 PM, w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) wrote:

>Can someone unravel this for me?   IF the FM filter works for 
>AM, does the AM filter work for FM ?  If not, why not ?  
>Elecraft says:
>
>** AM and FM bandwidth filters are required on the main K3 
>TX/RX board for TX in AM and FM modes. (Only one AM filter is 
>required for AM TX/RX, and one FM filter for FM TX/RX.) All 
>filters can be used for RX in any mode.
>
>So,, just what do those of us new to the K3 line need to know 
>when choosing an AM filter ?  Are they saying "Pick your 
>transmit mode and don't worry about the receive mode?"

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From ki0ov1 at charter.net  Thu Jan 28 21:36:05 2016
From: ki0ov1 at charter.net (Dan Reimer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:36:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale
Message-ID: <003b01d15a3d$cd4681f0$67d385d0$@charter.net>

Due to a rapid decline in my vision, SO2R is no longer possible for me, so
I'm selling one of my K3 Transceivers.

It is a K3-100; I built it (serial number 6064), it has no scratches, and
has always been in a smoke-free home. It includes the 

KAT3 100 W Autotuner, optional 2.8 8-pole roofing filter, manuals, and power
cord.  I don't mean to sound like the salesman selling the car "driven only
by a little-old-lady on Sunday," but, honestly, I run QRP 99% of the time,
so this has seldom been driven over 5 watts output.  It has served me well -
in 2014 it helped me finish 3rd in the QRP category of Sweepstakes, Phone.

 

$1,850.00 shipped CONUS.  Payment by money order, cashiers check, or a
personal check, provided I can wait 10 days for it to clear.  I can't afford
PayPal commission, so, sorry, no PayPal.

 

If interested, contact me off the list at ki0ov1 at charter dot net (the
address is a leftover from my old call).

 

Dan, K0ZL, formerly KI0OV


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 28 21:41:21 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:41:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
 hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>

Jer,

AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends audio 
tones to the transceiver.
That will not produce CW sidetone.

There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for 
instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S.  In that case, 
you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the sidetone if 
you turn up the monitor.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to use my key
> and hear the sidetone during practice.
> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue but I
> don't hear the sidetone.
> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go over the
> air) and hear what I send via computer.
> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
> Thanks in advance.
> Jer
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
>
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From valvetbone at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 21:47:31 2016
From: valvetbone at gmail.com (valvetbone at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:47:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] An FM Filter working for AM or ??
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR15MB06154CB4314EEA0D4A96C84991DB0@CY1PR15MB0615.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.16902.1454021490.10833.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CY1PR15MB06154CB4314EEA0D4A96C84991DB0@CY1PR15MB0615.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D781D5B3-ECE0-456D-88CE-19962E4E760A@gmail.com>

The AM filter will not work for FM.  It's too narrow.

Art. WB8ENE

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can someone unravel this for me?   IF the FM filter works for AM, does the AM filter work for FM ?  If not, why not ?  Elecraft says:
> 
> ** AM and FM bandwidth filters are required on the main K3 TX/RX board for TX in AM and FM modes. (Only one AM filter is required for AM TX/RX, and one FM filter for FM TX/RX.) All filters can be used for RX in any mode.
> 
> So,, just what do those of us new to the K3 line need to know when choosing an AM filter ?  Are they saying "Pick your transmit mode and don't worry about the receive mode?"
> 
> 
> This in response to:
> 
> /Message: 7
> /Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:33:01 -0500
> /From: Art Hejduk <valvetbone at gmail.com>
> /To: Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
> /Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> /Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a second set of eyes... WAS: Re: Price
> /       Increase Alert for Feb 4th.
> /
> /Clay,
> /
> /The FM filter will work for both AM and FM.  That's what I chose.  Also, I
> /would (did) just get the 400Hz CW filter.
> /
> /73,
> /Art  WB8ENE
> /
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jan 28 21:50:59 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
	hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <78433B0B-7793-441F-9CC5-59ED8FB53A84@widomaker.com>

I think HRD does KY commands as well. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 28, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jer,
> 
> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends audio tones to the transceiver.
> That will not produce CW sidetone.
> 
> There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S.  In that case, you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the sidetone if you turn up the monitor.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to use my key
>> and hear the sidetone during practice.
>> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue but I
>> don't hear the sidetone.
>> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go over the
>> air) and hear what I send via computer.
>> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Jer
>> 
>> Jerry Moore
>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
>> Patriotic.
>> 
>> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jan 28 21:58:43 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:58:43 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
 hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AAD563.9060606@blomand.net>

If one selects MCW in DM780 and Data A on the K3S, then the audio tone 
is heard as generated by HRD/DM780.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163



On 1/28/2016 8:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Jer,
>
> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends 
> audio tones to the transceiver.
> That will not produce CW sidetone.
>
> There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for 
> instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S.  In that 
> case, you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the 
> sidetone if you turn up the monitor.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to use 
>> my key
>> and hear the sidetone during practice.
>> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue but I
>> don't hear the sidetone.
>> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go 
>> over the
>> air) and hear what I send via computer.
>> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Jer
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
>> Patriotic.
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ekacura at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 23:07:24 2016
From: ekacura at yahoo.com (Edward Kacura)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences for
	Portable Use
In-Reply-To: <487BF79F-0A65-4E75-A5FE-5596CC93E045@iafrica.com>
References: <56AA7E41.5090501@elecraft.com>
	<EC69B9FE-7FF0-4405-9C21-575912407597@elecraft.com>
	<E892D783-B609-4425-96A3-F6F56B80E493@iafrica.com>
	<487BF79F-0A65-4E75-A5FE-5596CC93E045@iafrica.com>
Message-ID: <1BE5EBCE-38B7-4CD2-B721-0331B3386823@yahoo.com>

I had an 817 first, then got the 703, which blew the 817 away ! 
I sold the 817 so fast, I'll never own another for any reason !
Then I got the KX3, s/n 45.....
The 703 was sold, but it was a good radio, far superior to the 817 !!
The KX3 out did both !
I'm a die hard Elecraft fan for life....
BTW, I also have a KX1 and K1, I reluctantly sold my K2 just recently, which was a great radio, I needed the room.
There are no other radios for me now but Elecraft !!
And of course there's the great customer service you get, that the "others" don't provide !!

Ed
N7EDK

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 17:19, John Kramer <jkramer at iafrica.com> wrote:
> 
> C91J

From Hamshack at N4ST.com  Thu Jan 28 23:49:48 2016
From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
	hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01d15a50$81e447c0$85acd740$@N4ST.com>

HRD/DM780 does have a CW KY mode.

__________ 
73,
Jim - N4ST

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 21:41
To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
hear the sidetones?

Jer,

AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends audio
tones to the transceiver.
That will not produce CW sidetone.

There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for
instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S.  In that case, you
will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the sidetone if you turn
up the monitor.

73,
Don W3FPR

Message delivered to hamshack at n4st.com


From lists at subich.com  Fri Jan 29 00:05:17 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:05:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
 hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AAF30D.1050702@subich.com>


> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends
> audio tones to the transceiver.

DM780 will do "KY" (CW [KY Cmd]), it will use a Winkeyer (CW [Winkey]),
or it will flip a line on a serial port (CW) in addition to using audio
tones in DATA A (CW [SSB]).  Any of the first three options will key
the K3/K3S sidetone (MONI).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/28/2016 9:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Jer,
>
> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends audio
> tones to the transceiver.
> That will not produce CW sidetone.
>
> There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for
> instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S.  In that case,
> you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the sidetone if
> you turn up the monitor.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>


From rick at tavan.com  Fri Jan 29 00:10:04 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:10:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <3A7D2980-6C32-46BE-A645-D85CAB4DAE51@sy-edm.com>
	<r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <CANVONAL6SFgoqDcNn_veBzyoz+93CjO1i28qQYgvfAwV-WUfwQ@mail.gmail.com>

W4TV mentioned RUMlog et al to me in response to my posting. I installed
the general QSO logger and it does, indeed, look good. It doesn't support
all my hardware so I'm not likely to adopt it myself, but it does look like
a viable logging package for MacOS for most users.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:

> Allow me to disagree with Jim and Rick on this issue and recommend some
> native Mac programs. I have used RUMlog (a general purpose log program) and
> RUMped (a contest logger) for several years. They are mature programs and
> Thomas, DL2RUM provides excellent support. He has a new logging program,
> RUMlogNG which provides the functionality of both programs and is available
> at not cost through the Apple App store.
>
> I just installed RUMlogNG yesterday, and am still getting it set up. It
> will cooperate with fldigi to provide digital modes and will directly run a
> K3 or KX3. Since the K3S is operationally the same as the K3 as far as
> computer control is concerned, it should also "just work".
>
> NOTE: If anyone wants to load old QSOs into RUMlogNG, read the getting
> started documentation first.
>
> I am also a big fan of cocoaModem for digital modes. It supports decoding
> both the main and sub receivers, which is nice for working pileups.
>
> For information on ham radio programs for the Mac, see <
> http://www.machamradio.com/>.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
>
> On 1/27/16 at 10:51 AM, a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) wrote:
>
> Fellow Hams,
>> I received my K3-S a few weeks ago - and I have been marvelling at it?s
>> features. I still am awaiting the arrival of a rotator - and them I will
>> hoist some Yagi?s up? but in the meantime - I am enjoying the awesome RX/TX
>> on this radio?.
>>
>> I used to be quite an active contest station (alas no 4x4x4 here) - on
>> CW/SSB and Occasionally RTTY - so please may I ask for some steerage/advice
>> regarding the best way to connect a K3-S to a PC so I can automate some of
>> the repetition of contest work ?. I fully understand and accept "DE TEST?
>> is not everyone?s cup of tea? But I enjoy it at times.
>>
>> It appears that WinKeyer is popular - will that suffice just for CW ? How
>> about Data Modes ??
>>
>> I would prefer not to have 3 or 4 options - but too keep things simple.
>> In the ?old days? I used to use a SignaLink - which I found flexible and
>> worthwhile.
>>
>>
>> OS for PC:  Linux or Mac - NOT Windows
>>
>> Many thanks for taking the time to read this
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim - A45WG
>>
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-- 

Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

From rick at tavan.com  Fri Jan 29 00:17:38 2016
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:17:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <56A9B5BC.2000707@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<56A9B5BC.2000707@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONA+qCHFkc-mBjevFPi6czdQB5aAopbskXjya+qNw9OojZg@mail.gmail.com>

:-)  Don't forget about the support, either, Jim. N1MM support is
excellent, with developers responding quickly to most questions on the
reflector and releasing new stuff almost every week. Writelog support is
opaque and rare. Like you, I haven't looked back since first trying MM+.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

>
> FWIW -- I started with WriteLog in 2003, used it for four years. Friend
> AE6RF was running FD for our group and declared that we were using N1MM, so
> I downloaded and learned it. Within four months, I had abandoned WriteLog,
> and I've never looked back. It wasn't the cost, it was the features!
>

-- 

Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 00:34:02 2016
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:34:02 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 receiver
References: <CAPYNya+scC=SFGibr+S1D1S=ZQ4S+d-8dGmZghCkQXh9BZ_Bbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E90B47BE-005E-4AD1-8E0E-B424E1002466@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <53F67990AA124FF59DAF6733CECC242D@cdcmobile>

Most of the time I cannot use zero IF because of the direct AM detection. I 
could not do that even far away from strong AM transmitters while operating 
from Maldives. I end up setting 8 kHz IF in the radio and using it all the 
time. This means that analog roofing is useless for me and blocking dynamic 
range is degraded to the extend that operation of 2 radio on the same band 
with separated antennas or sometimes even different bands(SO2R or MS 
environment) is not possible with KX3 even though it is possible with a pair 
of K3. KX3 is travelers radio for single op and it mates well with Expert 
1.3K-FA. The latter requires only 5-7 Watt to give you 1 KW out.

73, Igor UA9CDC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: "J. Fielden" <gijoe1644 at gmail.com>
Cc: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Kx3 receiver


> J. Fielden <gijoe1644 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> is the kx3 receiver RF direct sampling or ?
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> The KX3's architecture is pretty unique. First, we use a quadrature 
> downconverter to get I and Q signals at a baseband (zero Hz) I.F. Using a 
> zero I.F. allows us to insert optional high-performance analog roofing 
> filters into the path, protecting the A-to-D converter and DSP from 
> out-of-band signals. The roofing filter module includes a narrow filter 
> for CW and a medium filter for SSB/DATA.
>
> When the filters are installed, the KX3 has blocking dynamic range of 
> nearly 140 dB, higher than that of even the most advanced direct-sampling 
> radios. (But not quite as high as the K3S, which uses a superhet 
> architecture with crystal filters to obtain off-the-charts dynamic range 
> in the 150 dB range.)
>
> With the filter module, the KX3 places 5th on Sherwood's receiver 
> performance chart:
>
>   http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
>
> Even without this module, the KX3 receiver would still be in the top ten.
>
> That's the long answer :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Jan 29 00:55:08 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:55:08 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences
 for Portable Use
Message-ID: <201601290555.u0T5t8GT014647@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

I owned a FT-817 from the first year they offered it until the KX3 
came out.  Sold the FT-817 ... nuff said!


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan 29 01:06:56 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:06:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-S - CW Keying for Contests
In-Reply-To: <CANVONA+qCHFkc-mBjevFPi6czdQB5aAopbskXjya+qNw9OojZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r470Ps-10113i-2AE86A1C2B914058B617D53FC5499C23@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<56A9B5BC.2000707@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CANVONA+qCHFkc-mBjevFPi6czdQB5aAopbskXjya+qNw9OojZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AB0180.2060206@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/28/2016 9:17 PM, Rick Tavan wrote:
> :-)  Don't forget about the support, either, Jim. N1MM support is 
> excellent, with developers responding quickly to most questions on the 
> reflector and releasing new stuff almost every week. Writelog support 
> is opaque and rare. Like you, I haven't looked back since first trying 
> MM+.

Yes, and the support is equally good for DXKeeper and all the other 
software in that suite.

73, Jim K9YC

From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Fri Jan 29 05:06:17 2016
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:06:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] ERR BP3 and ERR IF2
References: <144553512.1849704.1454061977542.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <144553512.1849704.1454061977542.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Elecrafters,
I have just done the KBPF3 modification in the sub receiver KRX3. However, upon turn on the K3, I got the error messages ERR BP3 and ERR IF2.
I tried to access the CONFIG menu. I can get KIO3 and KPA3 but not KNB3. ?In other words, KIO3 is after by KPA3 in the CONFIG menu and no KNB3.
Any advice before I shoot an email to elecraft support.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

From KK at ccf.net  Fri Jan 29 06:33:44 2016
From: KK at ccf.net (Klaus Koppendorfer)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:33:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] ERR BP3 and ERR IF2
In-Reply-To: <144553512.1849704.1454061977542.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <144553512.1849704.1454061977542.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<144553512.1849704.1454061977542.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7209a28d755f45b0b7e86cd77c537d8c@EX2013.ccf.net>

Clean the contacts from frontpanel to mainboard


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Im Auftrag von Johnny Siu
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. J?nner 2016 11:06
An: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Betreff: [Elecraft] ERR BP3 and ERR IF2

Hello Elecrafters,
I have just done the KBPF3 modification in the sub receiver KRX3. However, upon turn on the K3, I got the error messages ERR BP3 and ERR IF2.
I tried to access the CONFIG menu. I can get KIO3 and KPA3 but not KNB3. ?In other words, KIO3 is after by KPA3 in the CONFIG menu and no KNB3.
Any advice before I shoot an email to elecraft support.
73
Johnny VR2XMC
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From pincon at erols.com  Fri Jan 29 07:39:02 2016
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs Elecraft KX3 Differences
	for Portable Use
In-Reply-To: <201601290555.u0T5t8GT014647@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201601290555.u0T5t8GT014647@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <002201d15a92$0c421f00$24c65d00$@erols.com>

I sold my '817 the week after I returned from
Dayton and saw the KX3 for the first time.
2nd step was to get a KX3 on order.
Main complaint with the Yaesu was its Rx. I never
dared to hook it to a big antenna.
2nd complaint was the horrendous ?A current drain
in receive.

Even if it WERE to become an option, the LAST
color I'd want on the KX3 screen would be blue.
Save the multi-colors for Christmas trees and
leave the KX3 screen alone.
73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Edward R Cole
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:55 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Fwd: Yaesu 817ND vs
Elecraft KX3 Differences for Portable Use

I owned a FT-817 from the first year they offered
it until the KX3 came out.  Sold the FT-817 ...
nuff said!


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com



From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 09:21:58 2016
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW issue
Message-ID: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>

I have a 6 meter beacon, 50.63 MHz, about three miles from my house.  I can hear what sounds like key clicks up to 60.250 MHz. Could this be front end overload?  I have a K3s with a three element beam abut 20 feet.
Ray
W8LYJ

Sent from my iPad

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 09:23:50 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
In-Reply-To: <1454007734.2029.59.camel@nk7z.net>
References: <1454007734.2029.59.camel@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <1085634078.1755427.1454077430860.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes I am aware of that
My thoughts are a ?simple one click app that would do it.



 

      From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
   
Hi Harry,

The K3 utility app does that now...

?
73's, and thanks,
Dave

For software/hardware reviews see:
http://www.nk7z.net

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https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info

For SSTV help see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info



On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 18:14 +0000, Harry Yingst wrote:
> Even simpler would be an app the updated the time from your PC
> 
> My Camera does that from my tablet whenever it connects
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net?
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Clock bug?
> 
> It would be so cool if the Elecraft clock set itself when I tune to
> WWV, using the data WWV sends. ?:)
> --?
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave
> 
> For software/hardware reviews see:
> http://www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> 
> For SSTV help see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 01:29 +0000, Al Lorona wrote:
> > 1. I have the clock on all of the time.?
> >?
> >?
> > 2. Today when I turned on my K3 I noticed that the clock was behind
> > by several seconds.
> >?
> > 3. All I did was hit the DISP button, then hit it again to look at
> > the clock again and it was back on the correct time. As if it re-
> read?
> > itself and updated itself to the correct time.
> >?
> > 4. What the heck?
> >?
> >?
> > Al??W6LX
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 29 09:36:21 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:36:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW issue
In-Reply-To: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
References: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AB78E5.6040405@embarqmail.com>

Ray,

It could be that the beacon is actually generating those keyclicks.
Try turning off the preamp in the K3S and or turn your beam so the side 
is toward the beacon.
Are the keyclicks eliminated?  If so, it may be too strong a signal into 
the K3S, but if they continue, they are likely being generated by the 
beacon.

Remember that the K3S has input protection.  In the form of a Carrier 
Operated Relay and has a mechanism to turn off the preamp if the signal 
is too strong.
If you tune to the beacon frequency, turn on the preamp and point your 
beam at the beacon do you hear the COR relay clicking in the K3S or is 
the preamp turned off automatically?  If so, that is too much signal 
into the K3S.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/29/2016 9:21 AM, Gmail wrote:
> I have a 6 meter beacon, 50.63 MHz, about three miles from my house.  I can hear what sounds like key clicks up to 60.250 MHz. Could this be front end overload?  I have a K3s with a three element beam abut 20 feet.
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 29 09:40:08 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:40:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] CW issue
In-Reply-To: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
References: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AB79C8.40806@blomand.net>

Turn on the 15 db attenuator in the receiver or put a 20 dB attenuator 
in the line from your antenna to receiver.  If the key clicks continue, 
it is a good bet they are being transmitted.  If they go away, it is 
front end or mixer overload.



On 1/29/2016 8:21 AM, Gmail wrote:
> I have a 6 meter beacon, 50.63 MHz, about three miles from my house.  I can hear what sounds like key clicks up to 60.250 MHz. Could this be front end overload?  I have a K3s with a three element beam abut 20 feet.
> Ray
> W8LYJ
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 11:33:44 2016
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW issue
In-Reply-To: <56AB78E5.6040405@embarqmail.com>
References: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
	<56AB78E5.6040405@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B68755B-B1A0-4F32-885F-13290B427E8A@gmail.com>

Thanks Don,
Using yours and others suggestions I determined it was the transmitter.
Ray
W8LYJ

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 09:36, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ray,
> 
> It could be that the beacon is actually generating those keyclicks.
> Try turning off the preamp in the K3S and or turn your beam so the side is toward the beacon.
> Are the keyclicks eliminated?  If so, it may be too strong a signal into the K3S, but if they continue, they are likely being generated by the beacon.
> 
> Remember that the K3S has input protection.  In the form of a Carrier Operated Relay and has a mechanism to turn off the preamp if the signal is too strong.
> If you tune to the beacon frequency, turn on the preamp and point your beam at the beacon do you hear the COR relay clicking in the K3S or is the preamp turned off automatically?  If so, that is too much signal into the K3S.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/29/2016 9:21 AM, Gmail wrote:
>> I have a 6 meter beacon, 50.63 MHz, about three miles from my house.  I can hear what sounds like key clicks up to 60.250 MHz. Could this be front end overload?  I have a K3s with a three element beam abut 20 feet.
> 

From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 12:07:44 2016
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW issue
In-Reply-To: <3B68755B-B1A0-4F32-885F-13290B427E8A@gmail.com>
References: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
	<56AB78E5.6040405@embarqmail.com>
	<3B68755B-B1A0-4F32-885F-13290B427E8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AB9C60.10606@gmail.com>

Probably an Icom, they are bad for key clicks.   Check his website or 
QRZ page and see if it says what he is using for the beacon.

Ken WA8JXM

On 1/29/16 11:33 AM, Gmail wrote:
> Thanks Don,
> Using yours and others suggestions I determined it was the transmitter.
> Ray
> W8LYJ


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Jan 29 12:09:26 2016
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:09:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
	hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AAF30D.1050702@subich.com>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
	<56AAF30D.1050702@subich.com>
Message-ID: <022201d15ab7$d0503f10$70f0bd30$@carolinaheli.com>

I'll have to play with it. I have the K3S connected to the computer via USB.
As far as I know I'm not able to connect to the DB9 to use RTS keying. I
could be mistaken. 
I'm already in CW mode, Test, QSK ON, Monitor turned up. When using my Key
connected directly to the Radio Key jack (to enable use of the internal
keyer) I can hear everything I send. 

It's ONLY when I send via DM on the computer that I don't hear the side
tones. The audio blanks out like the radio is sending, there's a flashing TX
on the right side of the LCD, the RED TX lamp on the left is OFF indicating
that I'm not going over the AIR. I'll check with the other settings in DM. 


Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:05 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
hear the sidetones?


> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends 
> audio tones to the transceiver.

DM780 will do "KY" (CW [KY Cmd]), it will use a Winkeyer (CW [Winkey]), or
it will flip a line on a serial port (CW) in addition to using audio tones
in DATA A (CW [SSB]).  Any of the first three options will key the K3/K3S
sidetone (MONI).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/28/2016 9:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Jer,
>
> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends 
> audio tones to the transceiver.
> That will not produce CW sidetone.
>
> There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for 
> instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S.  In that 
> case, you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the 
> sidetone if you turn up the monitor.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan 29 12:36:37 2016
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:36:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] CW issue
In-Reply-To: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
References: <D7907FE7-BE36-47A0-AA1E-51A292DF65A5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56ABA325.9060400@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,1/29/2016 6:21 AM, Gmail wrote:
> I have a 6 meter beacon, 50.63 MHz, about three miles from my house.  I can hear what sounds like key clicks up to 60.250 MHz. Could this be front end overload?

Very unlikely. Is your Noise Blanker turned on? That can cause clicks. 
Otherwise, I'd say the beacon has REALLY bad clicks. Clicks should not 
be audible farther than 2 kHz from a signal, and even that would be 
considered dirty.

73, Jim K9YC



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 29 12:45:53 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:45:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
 hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AAD563.9060606@blomand.net>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com> <56AAD563.9060606@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <56ABA551.1000407@blomand.net>

In experimenting with HRD / DM780 this morning, I find the KY command 
does work as well.   I"m sending from the keyboard and the computer is 
connected by the USB cable to the radio.   The side tone from the radio 
does appear correct.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/28/2016 8:58 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> If one selects MCW in DM780 and Data A on the K3S, then the audio tone 
> is heard as generated by HRD/DM780.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10163
>
>
>
> On 1/28/2016 8:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Jer,
>>
>> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends 
>> audio tones to the transceiver.
>> That will not produce CW sidetone.
>>
>> There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for 
>> instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S. In that 
>> case, you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the 
>> sidetone if you turn up the monitor.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>>> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to 
>>> use my key
>>> and hear the sidetone during practice.
>>> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue 
>>> but I
>>> don't hear the sidetone.
>>> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go 
>>> over the
>>> air) and hear what I send via computer.
>>> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Jer
>>>
>>> Jerry Moore
>>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, 
>>> and
>>> Patriotic.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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From jreedbum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 13:21:12 2016
From: jreedbum at gmail.com (Reed Bumgarner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KIO3B and RMS Express
Message-ID: <CAMnWSfPWuCSkjPn6bPbNONDyneD98084hVakdEsNBAA9R-Uwfg@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to implement Joe's suggestion on settings, but with data mode set
to Data A the MIC+LIN menu just says "not APPL" and that's all. I am using
the USB connection between the KIO3B and the computer.

From lists at subich.com  Fri Jan 29 14:20:04 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:20:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KIO3B and RMS Express
In-Reply-To: <CAMnWSfPWuCSkjPn6bPbNONDyneD98084hVakdEsNBAA9R-Uwfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMnWSfPWuCSkjPn6bPbNONDyneD98084hVakdEsNBAA9R-Uwfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56ABBB64.9080507@subich.com>


On 1/29/2016 1:21 PM, Reed Bumgarner wrote:
> I tried to implement Joe's suggestion on settings, but with data mode
> set to Data A the MIC+LIN menu just says "not APPL" and that's all.

In which case you probably already have MIC SEL set to LIN IN.

Do you have anything connected to the Line In jack on the back of the
K3?  Connecting anything there will disconnect the USB CODEC.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/29/2016 1:21 PM, Reed Bumgarner wrote:
> I tried to implement Joe's suggestion on settings, but with data mode set
> to Data A the MIC+LIN menu just says "not APPL" and that's all. I am using
> the USB connection between the KIO3B and the computer.
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From roncerra at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 29 16:47:59 2016
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:47:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: KX3/PX3/KXPA100AT
Message-ID: <1454104079351-7613305.post@n2.nabble.com>

FS: KX3, PX3, KXPA100, KXAT100 SETUP, plus KX3 and PX3 Nifty Desk Stands and
PX3 Nifty Mini-Manual. Includes all manuals and cables that came with
equipment. Purchased new factory assembled July 2015. 36 QSOs to date.
Everything in excellent to mint condition; works perfectly or complete
refund. Never portable; never installed batteries. Non-smoking home. Covered
when not in use. KX3 has KXBC3-F, KXFL3-F, KX3-PCKT, MH3 Microphone, KXPD3
paddle. KXPA100 includes KXPACBL IO cable and KXSER-a RS-232 cable. Original
price $3,280.00. Asking $2,550.00 including shipping and insurance to lower
48. Will not split package, Have to make room for K3s. Have SignaLink USB
sound card wired for KX3 and PowerWerx power supply also sold by Elecraft if
interested. 73 and thank you for your time



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From davidahrendts at me.com  Fri Jan 29 20:07:44 2016
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:07:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter
Message-ID: <0300B981-C6D2-4A68-820C-2F8FDDAA8956@me.com>

Am I correct that you do not achieve 4.0 kHz ESSB (widest TX with the K3S) without selecting the 6.0 kHz crystal filter for SSB TX? Just want your affirmation. :?) 

David A. KK6DA, LA



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 29 20:40:50 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:40:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter
In-Reply-To: <0300B981-C6D2-4A68-820C-2F8FDDAA8956@me.com>
References: <0300B981-C6D2-4A68-820C-2F8FDDAA8956@me.com>
Message-ID: <56AC14A2.4020905@blomand.net>

Using the K3 Utility, in checking the Filter Config list, while I do 
have the 6.0 kHz filter installed, I must select the 2.7 kHz or 2.8 kHz 
for CW and SSB transmit.

Then from the CONFIG menu ESSB I can select up to 4.0 kHz bandwidth.

Receive BW on AM will go to 5.0 kHz and on SSB 4.0 kHz.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 1/29/2016 7:07 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> Am I correct that you do not achieve 4.0 kHz ESSB (widest TX with the K3S) without selecting the 6.0 kHz crystal filter for SSB TX? Just want your affirmation. :?)
>
> David A. KK6DA, LA
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jan 29 20:44:52 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:44:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
 hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56ABA551.1000407@blomand.net>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com> <56AAD563.9060606@blomand.net>
	<56ABA551.1000407@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <56AC1594.1050805@blomand.net>

I used HRD/DM780 in "KY mode" on a CW traffic net tonight.  Worked 
great.......uh, as well as HRD/DM780 works that is.  Monitor level on 
the radio was set to 20 while using the external speakers.  Side tone 
set to 800 Hz.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163

On 1/29/2016 11:45 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> In experimenting with HRD / DM780 this morning, I find the KY command 
> does work as well.   I"m sending from the keyboard and the computer is 
> connected by the USB cable to the radio.   The side tone from the 
> radio does appear correct.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 1/28/2016 8:58 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> If one selects MCW in DM780 and Data A on the K3S, then the audio 
>> tone is heard as generated by HRD/DM780.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> K3S s/n 10163
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/2016 8:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Jer,
>>>
>>> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends 
>>> audio tones to the transceiver.
>>> That will not produce CW sidetone.
>>>
>>> There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for 
>>> instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S. In that 
>>> case, you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the 
>>> sidetone if you turn up the monitor.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>>>> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to 
>>>> use my key
>>>> and hear the sidetone during practice.
>>>> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue 
>>>> but I
>>>> don't hear the sidetone.
>>>> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go 
>>>> over the
>>>> air) and hear what I send via computer.
>>>> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> Jer
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Moore
>>>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>>>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>>>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, 
>>>> Balanced, and
>>>> Patriotic.
>>>>
>>>>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Jan 29 21:37:07 2016
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:37:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
	hear the sidetones?
In-Reply-To: <56AC1594.1050805@blomand.net>
References: <015901d15a34$ff7dd190$fe7974b0$@carolinaheli.com>	<56AAD151.4000206@embarqmail.com>
	<56AAD563.9060606@blomand.net>	<56ABA551.1000407@blomand.net>
	<56AC1594.1050805@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <02bc01d15b07$1d6768b0$58363a10$@carolinaheli.com>

Ok, I just had an AH HA! Moment when I figured out what KY mode is. 
Works as intended and desired.
Thanks guys!!!

Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:45 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Is there a way to send CW via USB computer and
hear the sidetones?

I used HRD/DM780 in "KY mode" on a CW traffic net tonight.  Worked
great.......uh, as well as HRD/DM780 works that is.  Monitor level on the
radio was set to 20 while using the external speakers.  Side tone set to 800
Hz.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163

On 1/29/2016 11:45 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> In experimenting with HRD / DM780 this morning, I find the KY command 
> does work as well.   I"m sending from the keyboard and the computer is 
> connected by the USB cable to the radio.   The side tone from the 
> radio does appear correct.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 1/28/2016 8:58 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> If one selects MCW in DM780 and Data A on the K3S, then the audio 
>> tone is heard as generated by HRD/DM780.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> K3S s/n 10163
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/2016 8:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Jer,
>>>
>>> AFAIK, the only way HRD/DM780 sends CW is in DATA A mode and sends 
>>> audio tones to the transceiver.
>>> That will not produce CW sidetone.
>>>
>>> There are a few other applications - K3 Utility Terminal window for 
>>> instance, that send CW by sending KY commands to the K3S. In that 
>>> case, you will be in CW mode and you should be able to hear the 
>>> sidetone if you turn up the monitor.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 1/28/2016 8:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>>>> I'm attending CW academy and having a blast. I like being able to 
>>>> use my key
>>>> and hear the sidetone during practice.
>>>> I use HRD and DM780. It keys my rig and will SEND CW without issue 
>>>> but I
>>>> don't hear the sidetone.
>>>> I'd like to be able to put the rig into test mode (so it doesn't go 
>>>> over the
>>>> air) and hear what I send via computer.
>>>> Is that possible? I've not found a setting for that.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> Jer
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Moore
>>>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>>>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>>>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, 
>>>> Balanced, and
>>>> Patriotic.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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From ae8jg.gould at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 21:42:45 2016
From: ae8jg.gould at gmail.com (Joshua Gould)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3 and accessories (Updated)
Message-ID: <CB1B8C29-120F-4436-9133-620C04869F40@gmail.com>

After careful deliberation, I have decided to sell my KX3. There is a small scratch on the bezel in the top right corner.  It doesn?t cross over the display. 

Last chance here before I take it to the big auction site. 

Factory built KX3 (Serial 7480, Built February 2015)



KX3-F $999.95

KXAT3-F $179.95

KXBC3	$69.95

MH3	$59.95



Also included:

KXPD3 paddles $129.95

KX3-PCKT Cable Kit	$19.95

Signalink Cable	$19.95

BNC-BP	$9.95

Right Angle BNC	$6.95



Cost of all of the items new is $1,496.55



I will sell for $1,200 firm. (No trades please.)



Please contact me off list for pictures or more details.


73,
Joshua Gould
AE8JG

From lists at subich.com  Fri Jan 29 22:13:18 2016
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB and the 6 kHz Filter
In-Reply-To: <56AC14A2.4020905@blomand.net>
References: <0300B981-C6D2-4A68-820C-2F8FDDAA8956@me.com>
	<56AC14A2.4020905@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <56AC2A4E.90705@subich.com>



On 1/29/2016 8:40 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Using the K3 Utility, in checking the Filter Config list, while I do
> have the 6.0 kHz filter installed, I must select the 2.7 kHz or 2.8 kHz
> for CW and SSB transmit.
 >
 > Then from the CONFIG menu ESSB I can select up to 4.0 kHz bandwidth.

The K3 and K3S use the AM TX filter for ESSB wider than 2.8 KHz.

> Receive BW on AM will go to 5.0 kHz and on SSB 4.0 kHz.

Receive audio bandwidth will never go beyond 4.2 KHz as there is a
fixed, audio lowpass filter following the digital to analog converter.
In any case, the true audio bandwidth is FC +/- BW/2 for all modes.

Even in AM the maximum value for BW is 4.00 (4 KHz) representing
a recovered audio bandwidth of 0 - 4000 Hz or 200 - 4200 Hz. If
FC (shift) is lower than 2.00, the actual bandwidth will be less
than 4 KHz even when BW = 4.00 due to the formula above (FC +/- BW/2).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Sat Jan 30 08:43:26 2016
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 07:43:26 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 extra xmit frequency
In-Reply-To: <9BFF490C-E8DB-448C-9268-08B26437C86C@elecraft.com>
References: <624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<624075701.1418494.1453965928632.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<9BFF490C-E8DB-448C-9268-08B26437C86C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP313ED99C047BCC8B268257BFDC0@phx.gbl>

Just a passing thought.

If your friend was using an SDR pan adapter arrangement, it may have 
been an image.  ????

Dick, n0ce

On 1/28/2016 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Bill,
>
> This is a very unusual problem. Please contact customer support.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine (100 miles away) recently noticed a dual signal being transmitted from my K3?
>
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From larry at rn.org  Sat Jan 30 10:27:39 2016
From: larry at rn.org (Larry Snyder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 10:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Modes (PSK31 and JT-65) not working on 40 meters
Message-ID: <002201d15b72$c3319160$4994b420$@rn.org>

PSK31 and JT-65 stopped working on 40 meters. . Initially I see the PO at 45
watts but then it immediately backs off to a fraction of a watt with no or
very little modulation on the P3 with the transmit monitor.

 

I change to 20 meters and everything works just fine.  Same computer, same
everything - only thing changing it the band switch on the K3??

 

Larry

 

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 30 10:46:46 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 10:46:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Modes (PSK31 and JT-65) not working on 40
 meters
In-Reply-To: <002201d15b72$c3319160$4994b420$@rn.org>
References: <002201d15b72$c3319160$4994b420$@rn.org>
Message-ID: <56ACDAE6.9050503@embarqmail.com>

Larry,

Try doing the TX Gain Calibration.  It is quite easy to do from K3 
Utility.  If it fails in K3 Utility, then try doing it on a band by band 
basis as indicated in the Calibration section of the manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/30/2016 10:27 AM, Larry Snyder wrote:
> PSK31 and JT-65 stopped working on 40 meters. . Initially I see the PO at 45
> watts but then it immediately backs off to a fraction of a watt with no or
> very little modulation on the P3 with the transmit monitor.
>
>   
>
> I change to 20 meters and everything works just fine.  Same computer, same
> everything - only thing changing it the band switch on the K3??
>


From k6sdw at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 30 11:56:11 2016
From: k6sdw at hotmail.com (Eddy Avila)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:56:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] MH2 vs MH3 mic question
Message-ID: <SNT153-W28A521EC8ED5F883AB0B0BF2DC0@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know if the MH2 is the same mic as the MH3?
Tnx and 73
ed 		 	   		  

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jan 30 12:07:52 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 11:07:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] MH2 vs MH3 mic question
In-Reply-To: <SNT153-W28A521EC8ED5F883AB0B0BF2DC0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT153-W28A521EC8ED5F883AB0B0BF2DC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56ACEDE8.5000304@blomand.net>



The MH2 Hand Microphone is the result of a collaboration between Bob 
Heil of Heil Sound and Elecraft. The MH2 uses a high performance 
condenser element designed by Bob. It is optimally matched to the K2 and 
provides excellent SSB audio quality. MH2 Features: - - High output Heil 
microphone element - - Punchy, High Quality SSB audio in the Heil Sound 
tradition. - - Pre-wired 8 pin connector for the K2 - - Includes 
microphone mounting clip

The MH3 microphone is designed for use with the Elecraft KX3 
transceiver. It contains a high-performance condenser microphone element 
optimized for SSB, AM and FM use, a push-to-talk button and two function 
buttons to control the KX3 from the microphone


73
Bob, K4TAX


On 1/30/2016 10:56 AM, Eddy Avila wrote:
> Does anyone know if the MH2 is the same mic as the MH3?
> Tnx and 73
> ed 		 	   		
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 30 12:16:22 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] MH2 vs MH3 mic question
In-Reply-To: <SNT153-W28A521EC8ED5F883AB0B0BF2DC0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT153-W28A521EC8ED5F883AB0B0BF2DC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56ACEFE6.9020206@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

No they are different.
Not only that the MH3 has a 3.5mm TRRS plug and a different mechanism 
for the MIC buttons(for the KX3) and the MH2 has an 8 pin Foster plug 
(for the K2, K3 and K3S).
The shape of the mic head is different too.
The mic element *may* be the same, but I am not certain of that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/30/2016 11:56 AM, Eddy Avila wrote:
> Does anyone know if the MH2 is the same mic as the MH3?
> Tnx and 73
>


From kf7gc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 12:24:40 2016
From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:24:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KX3
References: <539712482.2149991.1454174680263.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <539712482.2149991.1454174680263.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Looking to buy a nice KX3 Package.Please let me know what to have.?73! Tomy KF7GC
AZ STM 
NM AZ Section Net
ORS,?www.atenaz.net

From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat Jan 30 12:54:39 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:54:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KXAT100 "Hunting"
Message-ID: <ACE785DF-3857-4089-B0D3-19CB65EC836B@law.du.edu>

My KX-line tuner (the KXAT100 installed in the KXPA100 amp) recently 
started an odd behavior.  I wonder if anyone can help explain it.  When 
tuning into an indoor Buddipole set at resonance, the ATU finds a 
near-perfect solution when the power applied during tuning stays below 
about 40 watts.  With the ATU set in ?auto? however, if the power out is 
higher than 40 watts the tuner hunts without stopping.  I have watched the 
SWR readings change, often going briefly to 1.0 or 1.1:1, but the tuner 
just keeps hunting, endlessly, even when the frequency is unchanged.  Yet 
when it is first tuned at a lower power, either in Auto or Manual-tune, 
and the ATU is set to Manual, it stays at the solution perfectly well no 
matter how high the power goes.  I can live with this, just by tuning at 
low power and then switching to Manual, but I wonder why the Auto function 
works well up to a certain point but goes berserk at any power higher than 
that?  Is the higher ERP sneaking back into the control circuitry somehow?

Ted, KN1CBR

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Jan 30 13:23:56 2016
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Modes (PSK31 and JT-65) not working on 40
	meters
In-Reply-To: <002201d15b72$c3319160$4994b420$@rn.org>
References: <002201d15b72$c3319160$4994b420$@rn.org>
Message-ID: <05237D8C-578A-4C71-8F8B-3DA4D2DB22E7@widomaker.com>

Sorry. Something else changed. 

Antenna?
Mode?
To name two

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 30, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Larry Snyder <larry at rn.org> wrote:
> 
> PSK31 and JT-65 stopped working on 40 meters. . Initially I see the PO at 45
> watts but then it immediately backs off to a fraction of a watt with no or
> very little modulation on the P3 with the transmit monitor.
> 
> 
> 
> I change to 20 meters and everything works just fine.  Same computer, same
> everything - only thing changing it the band switch on the K3??
> 
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
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From jmeloranta at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 13:45:26 2016
From: jmeloranta at gmail.com (Jussi Eloranta)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 10:45:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: antenna dependent transmit power
Message-ID: <56AD04C6.6010207@gmail.com>

Hi,

Is there any way to set the transmit power level based on the antenna 
setting on K3 (i.e., ANT1 or ANT2)?
I have two  antennas (connected to ANT1 and ANT2) that have different 
maximum power limits
and would like to make sure that I don't fry anything when switching 
antennas. I know that this
is a per band setting but it would be great to have it antenna dependent 
as well.

Jussi Eloranta (AA6KJ)

From lladerman at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 14:28:53 2016
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:28:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: 200Hz filters
Message-ID: <1454182133387-7613322.post@n2.nabble.com>

Looking for a pair of matched 200Hz 5-pole filters. Please email asking price
with shipping to me at lladerman AT earthlink DOT net

73,

Lou, W0FK



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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 14:52:45 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:52:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KXAT100 "Hunting"
In-Reply-To: <ACE785DF-3857-4089-B0D3-19CB65EC836B@law.du.edu>
References: <ACE785DF-3857-4089-B0D3-19CB65EC836B@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <56AD148D.1000400@gmail.com>

My guess is the same as yours -- common-mode current on the outside of 
the coax upsetting the tuner circuitry. If you have a large ferrite 
toroid (ferrite #31 should work on all bands), try winding several turns 
of the coax around it. It might work better near the rig or near the 
antenna.

Also, changing the length of the feedline might help. Odd multiples of 
1/4 wavelength are bad.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 30 Jan 2016 19:54, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> My KX-line tuner (the KXAT100 installed in the KXPA100 amp) recently
> started an odd behavior.  I wonder if anyone can help explain it.  When
> tuning into an indoor Buddipole set at resonance, the ATU finds a
> near-perfect solution when the power applied during tuning stays below
> about 40 watts.  With the ATU set in ?auto? however, if the power out is
> higher than 40 watts the tuner hunts without stopping.  I have watched the
> SWR readings change, often going briefly to 1.0 or 1.1:1, but the tuner
> just keeps hunting, endlessly, even when the frequency is unchanged.  Yet
> when it is first tuned at a lower power, either in Auto or Manual-tune,
> and the ATU is set to Manual, it stays at the solution perfectly well no
> matter how high the power goes.  I can live with this, just by tuning at
> low power and then switching to Manual, but I wonder why the Auto function
> works well up to a certain point but goes berserk at any power higher than
> that?  Is the higher ERP sneaking back into the control circuitry somehow?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 30 17:15:53 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:15:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXAT100 "Hunting"
In-Reply-To: <ACE785DF-3857-4089-B0D3-19CB65EC836B@law.du.edu>
References: <ACE785DF-3857-4089-B0D3-19CB65EC836B@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <56AD3619.90903@embarqmail.com>

Ted,

You may need additional current mode chokes on the feedline in addition 
to the small ones provided by Buddipole.

I would suggest "training" the tuner on each band segment that you want 
to use and then put the tuner into MAN mode.
I realize that is more difficult with the Buddipole because after 
changing bands with its taps and element lengths, you might not end up 
with exactly the same thing each time.
So as an alternative, set the band on the Buddipole, then with the 
KXPA100 in AUTO, do a TUNE at low power - when that tune completes, 
switch to MAN mode and operate.  The KXPA100 should not automatically 
tune in MAN mode.

If you are operating SSB (and less often CW), there can be a false 
sensing of a high SWR condition that will cause retuning if in AUTO mode.
That is because of a combination of two things - first the syllabic 
nature of SSB speech and secondly because the KXAT100 (and other tuners) 
do not sample the forward and reverse voltage at the same instant.  So 
if the forward voltage is sampled at a time when the RF output (do to 
the variations in SSB speech) is low, and the subsequent sampling of the 
reverse voltage happens to be at a time when the RF output is high, a 
false computation of the SWR will result (it is all a matter of the math).

In other words, once the antenna is tuned, switch to MAN mode on the tuner.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/30/2016 12:54 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> My KX-line tuner (the KXAT100 installed in the KXPA100 amp) recently
> started an odd behavior.  I wonder if anyone can help explain it.  When
> tuning into an indoor Buddipole set at resonance, the ATU finds a
> near-perfect solution when the power applied during tuning stays below
> about 40 watts.  With the ATU set in ?auto? however, if the power out is
> higher than 40 watts the tuner hunts without stopping.  I have watched the
> SWR readings change, often going briefly to 1.0 or 1.1:1, but the tuner
> just keeps hunting, endlessly, even when the frequency is unchanged.  Yet
> when it is first tuned at a lower power, either in Auto or Manual-tune,
> and the ATU is set to Manual, it stays at the solution perfectly well no
> matter how high the power goes.  I can live with this, just by tuning at
> low power and then switching to Manual, but I wonder why the Auto function
> works well up to a certain point but goes berserk at any power higher than
> that?  Is the higher ERP sneaking back into the control circuitry somehow?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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From drewko1 at verizon.net  Sat Jan 30 17:34:19 2016
From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:34:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
Message-ID: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>

What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans 
are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are 
closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts 
to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding 
up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan 
noise.)

Sources? Prices?

Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old 
so the fans are pretty recent model.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 17:43:20 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:43:20 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <56ad3c98.810c620a.994b3.7633@mx.google.com>

Drew,

I don't think I have ever heard mine on #679.
I must admit my hearing is not perfect, however, I operate daily at 80w, I have no air conditioning, I operate inside my motor home in a confined area and still no sound.
I am wondering if you have an issue with the fans. Has it always been like it is now?, have you pulled them to check them?
I would suspect there may be a problem and either lubrication or a mechanical issue may be the culprit?
Sewing machine oil may help.
73
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "drewko" <drewko1 at verizon.net>
Sent: ?31/?01/?2016 8:35 AM
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3

What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans 
are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are 
closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts 
to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding 
up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan 
noise.)

Sources? Prices?

Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old 
so the fans are pretty recent model.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 17:51:55 2016
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:51:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <56ad3c98.810c620a.994b3.7633@mx.google.com>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
	<56ad3c98.810c620a.994b3.7633@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNVk-sJzy7KeCiSu_YUZxf26veMVdP0ffqhVUuN+wtbvg@mail.gmail.com>

I have SN 0056 and like Gary have never heard the fans.  I -have-
occasionally looked to make sure they're indeed running.  They're so quiet
that if they weren't I probably wouldn't know it.  (;-)

73

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 30, 2016 3:44 PM, "Gary" <vk1zzgary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Drew,
>
> I don't think I have ever heard mine on #679.
> I must admit my hearing is not perfect, however, I operate daily at 80w, I
> have no air conditioning, I operate inside my motor home in a confined area
> and still no sound.
> I am wondering if you have an issue with the fans. Has it always been like
> it is now?, have you pulled them to check them?
> I would suspect there may be a problem and either lubrication or a
> mechanical issue may be the culprit?
> Sewing machine oil may help.
> 73
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "drewko" <drewko1 at verizon.net>
> Sent: ?31/?01/?2016 8:35 AM
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
>
> What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans
> are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are
> closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts
> to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding
> up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan
> noise.)
>
> Sources? Prices?
>
> Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old
> so the fans are pretty recent model.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sat Jan 30 18:00:52 2016
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:00:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  ERR BP3 and ERR IF2
In-Reply-To: <7209a28d755f45b0b7e86cd77c537d8c@EX2013.ccf.net>
References: <7209a28d755f45b0b7e86cd77c537d8c@EX2013.ccf.net>
Message-ID: <1309306173.2306208.1454194852552.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>


 Thanks for the hints. ?The problem went away after I simply swapped the KNB3 boards between the main and KRX3.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

      ???? Klaus Koppendorfer <KK at ccf.net>
 ???? Johnny Siu <vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk>; Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 ????? 2016?01?29? (??) 7:33 PM
 ??? AW: [Elecraft] ERR BP3 and ERR IF2
   
Clean the contacts from frontpanel to mainboard


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Im Auftrag von Johnny Siu
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. J?nner 2016 11:06
An: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Betreff: [Elecraft] ERR BP3 and ERR IF2

Hello Elecrafters,
I have just done the KBPF3 modification in the sub receiver KRX3. However, upon turn on the K3, I got the error messages ERR BP3 and ERR IF2.
I tried to access the CONFIG menu. I can get KIO3 and KPA3 but not KNB3. ?In other words, KIO3 is after by KPA3 in the CONFIG menu and no KNB3.
Any advice before I shoot an email to elecraft support.
73
Johnny VR2XMC
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From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 18:15:23 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:15:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AC09062381A14942AFC160D57467BEB9@Toshiba>

Search the archives for "Noctua."

You will find numerous references to the Noctua NF-A6X25R, 
available at Newegg for $15.  Use the mounting hardware that 
comes with the Noctua, and save all the old fan stuff so you can 
restore it all to original if You ever need to.

I installed these about a year ago, and they are indeed quieter 
and blow more air.  For a 100 watt RTTY contest, I set the fans 
at minimum speed = 2, and they never speed up from that level, 
despite the heavy duty cycle.

The most irritating part about the stock fans was the whiney 
noise they would make while spooling up and down as they changed 
speed.

If you're not a contester, you may never hear the fans, so it may 
not be an issue :)

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ



-----Original Message----- 
From: drewko
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 3:34 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3

What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My 
original fans
are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows 
are
closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really 
starts
to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start 
winding
up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let 
alone fan
noise.)

Sources? Prices?

Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of 
years old
so the fans are pretty recent model.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
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From jimfinan at att.net  Sat Jan 30 18:17:30 2016
From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:17:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20160130231730.5869648.85985.30522@att.net>

I use Noctua fans for most everything. Have used them for years and haven't had any failures. I use them for all systems I build for clients and myself. They have several varieties for each size and the ones with rubber mounts are generally the most quiet. ?Also have a choice of 3 and 4 pin plugs.

While most of their fans come with rubber mounting hardware, the ones I suggest have rubber inserts surrounding the bolt/screw holes?.

Noctua is an Austrian company but fans are built in the orient. Top quality with 'SSO2' bearings.?

Both Amazon and Newegg have them and the prices generally run from about $15-18. Just make sure the specs (CFM) ?match (or are better).

While I haven't measured them on mine, they look like 80mm.

Jim
AB4AC
Jim?Finan
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? Original Message ?
From: drewko
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 5:35 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Reply To: drewko1 at verizon.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3

What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans 
are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are 
closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts 
to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding 
up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan 
noise.)

Sources? Prices?

Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old 
so the fans are pretty recent model.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 18:19:56 2016
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:19:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3gvLtDHW3W+QwUOcCeBmoC_KJ2pW1J=u4LyxXe3ij-sQ@mail.gmail.com>

This was discussed extensively in the past including alternate
brands, model numbers and sources. It's somewhere in the archives and
better than starting over from scratch.

73, Guy K2AV

On Saturday, January 30, 2016, drewko <drewko1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans
> are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are closed
> and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts to bug me.
> It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding up.. (In the
> din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan noise.)
>
> Sources? Prices?
>
> Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old so
> the fans are pretty recent model.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
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From 520short at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 18:28:24 2016
From: 520short at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:28:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 User
Message-ID: <130095EC-C8AB-4768-9C50-85939DB89091@gmail.com>

Received the KX3 today and had it on the air on 30m working SOTA and SKCC stations, so far.
Also, signed up for the KX3 Yahoo group (awaiting).  Any other resources I should check out?

Thanks.
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat Jan 30 18:31:30 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:31:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KXAT100 "Hunting"
Message-ID: <BAE27489-A63D-4E51-9B9B-860AEC0E7F64@law.du.edu>

Thanks, Don.  I will try adding feed line chokes (after rereading K9YC?s 
tutorials on the subject.)  Meanwhile, tuning at low power and then 
switching to manual does work, though it?s inconvenient with the Buddipole 
which in some configurations has a very sharp SWR null.  The Auto function 
is useful when prowling the entire band quickly from 7005 to 7055 or the 
like.  Tuning at low power then switching to manual with any significant 
frequency change adds a couple of steps . . . 

However, I have to confess that this is not one of life?s major issues.  I 
remember some years ago hearing someone complain that the driver?s side 
power window in his car did not have the function that allows the window 
to travel its full length with one flip of the switch, as most other cars 
do today.  His required that he actually hold the switch until the window 
was all the way up.  What an awful burden to bear, I thought.  My first 
car (a ?57 MGA) didn?t even have crank-up windows.  What MG then called 
windows were solid pieces of fabric and plastic in a steel frame that 
mounted into the doors on posts.  They could be in either of only two 
positions - on the door, or in the trunk.

Useful to remember when complaining about the limits of an auto-tune 
function.

Cheers,

Ted







On 1/30/16, 3:15 PM, "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

>Ted,
>
>You may need additional current mode chokes on the feedline in addition 
>to the small ones provided by Buddipole.
>
>I would suggest "training" the tuner on each band segment that you want 
>to use and then put the tuner into MAN mode.
>I realize that is more difficult with the Buddipole because after 
>changing bands with its taps and element lengths, you might not end up 
>with exactly the same thing each time.
>So as an alternative, set the band on the Buddipole, then with the 
>KXPA100 in AUTO, do a TUNE at low power - when that tune completes, 
>switch to MAN mode and operate.  The KXPA100 should not automatically 
>tune in MAN mode.
>
>If you are operating SSB (and less often CW), there can be a false 
>sensing of a high SWR condition that will cause retuning if in AUTO mode.
>That is because of a combination of two things - first the syllabic 
>nature of SSB speech and secondly because the KXAT100 (and other tuners) 
>do not sample the forward and reverse voltage at the same instant.  So 
>if the forward voltage is sampled at a time when the RF output (do to 
>the variations in SSB speech) is low, and the subsequent sampling of the 
>reverse voltage happens to be at a time when the RF output is high, a 
>false computation of the SWR will result (it is all a matter of the math).
>
>In other words, once the antenna is tuned, switch to MAN mode on the 
>tuner.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 1/30/2016 12:54 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> My KX-line tuner (the KXAT100 installed in the KXPA100 amp) recently
>> started an odd behavior.  I wonder if anyone can help explain it.  When
>> tuning into an indoor Buddipole set at resonance, the ATU finds a
>> near-perfect solution when the power applied during tuning stays below
>> about 40 watts.  With the ATU set in ?auto? however, if the power out is
>> higher than 40 watts the tuner hunts without stopping.  I have watched 
>>the
>> SWR readings change, often going briefly to 1.0 or 1.1:1, but the tuner
>> just keeps hunting, endlessly, even when the frequency is unchanged.  
>>Yet
>> when it is first tuned at a lower power, either in Auto or Manual-tune,
>> and the ATU is set to Manual, it stays at the solution perfectly well no
>> matter how high the power goes.  I can live with this, just by tuning at
>> low power and then switching to Manual, but I wonder why the Auto 
>>function
>> works well up to a certain point but goes berserk at any power higher 
>>than
>> that?  Is the higher ERP sneaking back into the control circuitry 
>>somehow?
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
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From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 18:31:34 2016
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <0BF94AE23774461392D1C56AF0C306D2@Toshiba>

Here's a more specific link to the fans that I used:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608032&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


-----Original Message----- 
From: drewko
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 3:34 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3

What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My
original fans
are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows
are
closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really
starts
to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start
winding
up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let
alone fan
noise.)

Sources? Prices?

Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of
years old
so the fans are pretty recent model.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
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From mspetrovic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 18:49:36 2016
From: mspetrovic at gmail.com (Mark Petrovic)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:49:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents
Message-ID: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

Would  someone please post pictures  of  the items

E700002 - Thermal insulator

and


E100108  - Acylic  bezel

I am  having  trouble locating and identifying  them  as  I unpack  my
 new  K1  kit  contents.

Thanks.

-- 
Mark

From k9ztv at socket.net  Sat Jan 30 18:52:06 2016
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:52:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNVk-sJzy7KeCiSu_YUZxf26veMVdP0ffqhVUuN+wtbvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
	<56ad3c98.810c620a.994b3.7633@mx.google.com>
	<CAD4CdTNVk-sJzy7KeCiSu_YUZxf26veMVdP0ffqhVUuN+wtbvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <083A1941-63CC-4E02-92C9-F32956E8C4F0@socket.net>

Ditto with sn 21.  Have never heard the fans. 

K9ZTV

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have SN 0056 and like Gary have never heard the fans.  I -have-
> occasionally looked to make sure they're indeed running.  They're so quiet
> that if they weren't I probably wouldn't know it.  (;-)
> 
> 73
> 
> Ken - K0PP
>> On Jan 30, 2016 3:44 PM, "Gary" <vk1zzgary at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Drew,
>> 
>> I don't think I have ever heard mine on #679.
>> I must admit my hearing is not perfect, however, I operate daily at 80w, I
>> have no air conditioning, I operate inside my motor home in a confined area
>> and still no sound.
>> I am wondering if you have an issue with the fans. Has it always been like
>> it is now?, have you pulled them to check them?
>> I would suspect there may be a problem and either lubrication or a
>> mechanical issue may be the culprit?
>> Sewing machine oil may help.
>> 73
>> Gary
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "drewko" <drewko1 at verizon.net>
>> Sent: ?31/?01/?2016 8:35 AM
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
>> 
>> What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans
>> are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are
>> closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts
>> to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding
>> up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan
>> noise.)
>> 
>> Sources? Prices?
>> 
>> Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old
>> so the fans are pretty recent model.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
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From mspetrovic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 19:06:20 2016
From: mspetrovic at gmail.com (Mark Petrovic)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:06:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABMnSbHrA+OOACrprfSVp5B6D2MgBqH4im4pryxxGps=YowvGQ@mail.gmail.com>

I found  the parts.  They were both in an  envelope labeled "E850040 -
 Serial Number kit,  K1".

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Mark Petrovic <mspetrovic at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Would  someone please post pictures  of  the items
>
> E700002 - Thermal insulator
>
> and
>
>
> E100108  - Acylic  bezel
>
> I am  having  trouble locating and identifying  them  as  I unpack  my
>  new  K1  kit  contents.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Mark



-- 
Mark

From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Jan 30 19:34:17 2016
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301d15bbf$1eb16b40$5c1441c0$@biz>

Hello Mark: 

The "thermal insulator" is a thin flexible rectangular bit about 1/2" by
3/4" in size that has a hole near one end and is self-stick, so it is
supplied on a bit of backing paper you peel it off of when you install it on
the power transistor. It may be in one of the little brown envelopes. There
is a photograph of it still mounted on its backing paper in the parts list. 

The Acrylic Bezel is the plastic cover over the LCD on the front panel. Look
at the drawing of the K1 on the front cover of your manual and you'll see a
rectangle depicting the cover with a screw at each corner covering the LCD
itself and the words "Elecraft" and "K1 Transceiver". It should be in one of
the brown envelopes in the kit. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Petrovic
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 3:50 PM
To: elecraft at qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents

Hi.

Would  someone please post pictures  of  the items

E700002 - Thermal insulator

and


E100108  - Acylic  bezel

I am  having  trouble locating and identifying  them  as  I unpack  my  new
K1  kit  contents.

Thanks.

--
Mark
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jan 30 19:48:29 2016
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:48:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXAT100 "Hunting"
In-Reply-To: <BAE27489-A63D-4E51-9B9B-860AEC0E7F64@law.du.edu>
References: <BAE27489-A63D-4E51-9B9B-860AEC0E7F64@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <56AD59DD.3070600@blomand.net>


Candidly, I would be more concerned about exceeding the RF Exposure 
limits with this arrangement.  Perhaps the "Tuner issue" is an 
indication of such.  From your description, at 100 watts you will likely 
be way outside of the FCC limits of safe RF Exposure.

Now with that said, the amount of RF at the TUNE level is not such to 
confuse the tuner.  However at 40+ watts the RF back into the system is 
more than the system can accurately handle.  A bunch of #31 beads or #73 
beads, where "bunch" = 50 pcs or more, on the feed line at the antenna 
feed point and again a bunch at the radio. This may help the radio and 
antenna problem associated with the auto tune routine.  You may find the 
same treatment required on the DC power cable at the radio.

73
Bob, K4TAX


>>
>>
>> On 1/30/2016 12:54 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>> My KX-line tuner (the KXAT100 installed in the KXPA100 amp) recently
>>> started an odd behavior.  I wonder if anyone can help explain it.  When
>>> tuning into an indoor Buddipole set at resonance, the ATU finds a
>>> near-perfect solution when the power applied during tuning stays below
>>> about 40 watts.  With the ATU set in ?auto? however, if the power out is
>>> higher than 40 watts the tuner hunts without stopping.  I have watched
>>> the
>>> SWR readings change, often going briefly to 1.0 or 1.1:1, but the tuner
>>> just keeps hunting, endlessly, even when the frequency is unchanged.
>>> Yet
>>> when it is first tuned at a lower power, either in Auto or Manual-tune,
>>> and the ATU is set to Manual, it stays at the solution perfectly well no
>>> matter how high the power goes.  I can live with this, just by tuning at
>>> low power and then switching to Manual, but I wonder why the Auto
>>> function
>>> works well up to a certain point but goes berserk at any power higher
>>> than
>>> that?  Is the higher ERP sneaking back into the control circuitry
>>> somehow?
>>>
>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>> _



From byron at n6nul.org  Sat Jan 30 19:50:05 2016
From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:50:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANB4+4HaW5wrXY29-H-fnLrQbAa2p_=S0azXEAnr_vHf9wkavA@mail.gmail.com>

The K1 manual has an image of the insulator in the inventory section. The
bezel is a piece of clear plastic about 2.5cm X 7.5cm with holes in the
corners. You can see an image in any product shot at Elecraft.com showing
the front of the K1: it covers the lcd display.

 These items and the serial number will be in separate manila
envelopes. I'm sorry I cannot post pictures. I completed my kit years ago.

HTH, 73,

Byron N6NUL

On Saturday, January 30, 2016, Mark Petrovic <mspetrovic at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Would  someone please post pictures  of  the items
>
> E700002 - Thermal insulator
>
> and
>
>
> E100108  - Acylic  bezel
>
> I am  having  trouble locating and identifying  them  as  I unpack  my
>  new  K1  kit  contents.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Mark
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jan 30 20:14:38 2016
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:14:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents
In-Reply-To: <CANB4+4HaW5wrXY29-H-fnLrQbAa2p_=S0azXEAnr_vHf9wkavA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANB4+4HaW5wrXY29-H-fnLrQbAa2p_=S0azXEAnr_vHf9wkavA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AD5FFE.5080706@foothill.net>

I believe he has found it, but this and Don's reply are right on.  So 
many times, a new ham is trying to "count the parts" and runs across a 
term that could be Swahili as far as he knows ... Who would think that a 
"thermal insulator" looks like a little rectangular tab of paper buried 
in a small envelope ... I'd have thought of "blanket" like on the water 
heater.  I think that's what this list is for.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 1/30/2016 4:50 PM, Byron Servies wrote:
> The K1 manual has an image of the insulator in the inventory section. The
> bezel is a piece of clear plastic about 2.5cm X 7.5cm with holes in the
> corners. You can see an image in any product shot at Elecraft.com showing
> the front of the K1: it covers the lcd display.
>
>   These items and the serial number will be in separate manila
> envelopes. I'm sorry I cannot post pictures. I completed my kit years ago.
>
> HTH, 73,
>
> Byron N6NUL


From acsewell at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 20:30:37 2016
From: acsewell at gmail.com (Alan Sewell N5NA)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:30:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Raffle and St. Patrick's Day Hamfest
Message-ID: <56AD63BD.40809@gmail.com>

The Midland (TX) Amateur Radio Club is pleased to announce the 61st 
annual St. Patrick's Day Hamfest to be held on March 19, 2016.  In 
conjunction with the hamfest the club is raffling an Elecraft K3S with 
MH2 mic.  A maximum of 300 tickets will be sold at $20 each.

Complete details of the hamfest and raffle are available at 
<http://hamfest.w5qgg.org/> or raffle only at <http://k3sraffle.w5qgg.org/>.

73 & GL,

Alan N5NA

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 20:28:18 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 01:28:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1372002965.2231927.1454203698060.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

New Fan : Noctua NF-A6x25 FLXAirflow : 17 cfm (29.2 m3h converted to cfm)Noise : 19.3dbSpeed : 3000 RPM (at 12 v)Static Pressure : 2.18 mmCutent : 120 mA ?(.12 A)

Original Fan : UTEC AT6015L-12L2B-ND2Airflow : 15.4 cfmNoise : 24.8Speed : 3000 RPM (at 12v)Static Pressure : 2.21mmCurrent : 100 mA
 

      From: drewko <drewko1 at verizon.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 5:34 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
   
What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans 
are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are 
closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts 
to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding 
up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan 
noise.)

Sources? Prices?

Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old 
so the fans are pretty recent model.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 20:30:13 2016
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 01:30:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3gvLtDHW3W+QwUOcCeBmoC_KJ2pW1J=u4LyxXe3ij-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANckpc3gvLtDHW3W+QwUOcCeBmoC_KJ2pW1J=u4LyxXe3ij-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <357567443.2282851.1454203813353.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I was the one who pretty much started this whole thing way back when
here are the specs
New Fan : Noctua NF-A6x25 FLXAirflow : 17 cfm (29.2 m3h converted to cfm)Noise : 19.3dbSpeed : 3000 RPM (at 12 v)Static Pressure : 2.18 mmCutent : 120 mA ?(.12 A)

Original Fan : UTEC AT6015L-12L2B-ND2Airflow : 15.4 cfmNoise : 24.8Speed : 3000 RPM (at 12v)Static Pressure : 2.21mmCurrent : 100 mA
 

      From: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
 To: "drewko1 at verizon.net" <drewko1 at verizon.net> 
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 6:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
   
This was discussed extensively in the past including alternate
brands, model numbers and sources. It's somewhere in the archives and
better than starting over from scratch.

73, Guy K2AV

On Saturday, January 30, 2016, drewko <drewko1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans
> are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are closed
> and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts to bug me.
> It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding up.. (In the
> din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan noise.)
>
> Sources? Prices?
>
> Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old so
> the fans are pretty recent model.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Jan 30 21:28:42 2016
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:28:42 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
Message-ID: <201601310228.u0V2ShP8029930@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I never hear the fan on my KXPA-100 - Ha!

Of course it doesn't have one but works fine for up to 110w with my 
KX3 or K3/10.  Made several 6m-SSB contacts with 80w for the ARRL VHF 
Contest this weekend.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
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     dubususa at gmail.com


From 520short at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 23:28:32 2016
From: 520short at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:28:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX3 User
In-Reply-To: <56AD8B97.5060007@embarqmail.com>
References: <CADVmuVwED56M8eetc6RALTGKkUGUOhgiKis69SSg2v9SaXmuLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56AD7632.8040200@embarqmail.com>
	<CADVmuVyET2a5WKuTn0nsFHgjU6PJvvSoeUkFjxNEUSQJS9cBfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<58720960-C950-42EE-A7D4-AEF7B884FF78@gmail.com>
	<56AD8B97.5060007@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <11EDD5CE-BE52-44BE-A59A-AC58C8695C51@gmail.com>

Yeah, so far so good - pretty straight forward :)  Thanks Don.

On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> I do not know of a "learning curve" other than a study of the manual which will tell you how to use the buttons and the VFO to produce the effects you want.
> 
> The listing of the menu functions for the KX3 (or any other transceiver) will give you information about how the transceiver can be customized to fit your particular needs and operating style.  Look at the menu settings chart in the manual.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 1/30/2016 10:26 PM, Brian Short 520short at gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>> KX3 arrived today (with ATU & roofing filter).
>> 
>> 
>> Have it on the air and made several contacts in the 160m CW contest, now.
>> 

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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 31 03:31:02 2016
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 00:31:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents
In-Reply-To: <000301d15bbf$1eb16b40$5c1441c0$@biz>
References: <CABMnSbG+VHO4aBp2AuCjTOPrcaUQ_yqdV7KcEWXJgNpNQtWzLw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301d15bbf$1eb16b40$5c1441c0$@biz>
Message-ID: <011601d15c01$b879d590$296d80b0$@earthlink.net>

Perhaps it should be called a thermal conductor and electrical insulator but
then some people always complain even if hung with a new rope.
73,
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron
D'Eau Claire
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 4:34 PM
To: 'Mark Petrovic'; elecraft at qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents

Hello Mark: 

The "thermal insulator" is a thin flexible rectangular bit about 1/2" by
3/4" in size that has a hole near one end and is self-stick, so it is
supplied on a bit of backing paper you peel it off of when you install it on
the power transistor. It may be in one of the little brown envelopes. There
is a photograph of it still mounted on its backing paper in the parts list. 

The Acrylic Bezel is the plastic cover over the LCD on the front panel. Look
at the drawing of the K1 on the front cover of your manual and you'll see a
rectangle depicting the cover with a screw at each corner covering the LCD
itself and the words "Elecraft" and "K1 Transceiver". It should be in one of
the brown envelopes in the kit. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Petrovic
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 3:50 PM
To: elecraft at qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Unpacking the K1 package contents

Hi.

Would  someone please post pictures  of  the items

E700002 - Thermal insulator

and


E100108  - Acylic  bezel

I am  having  trouble locating and identifying  them  as  I unpack  my  new
K1  kit  contents.

Thanks.

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From hans.elfelt at me.com  Sun Jan 31 08:27:50 2016
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:27:50 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2, squelch lock in
Message-ID: <EFA9BB1E-4996-441A-A727-D5F97F736566@me.com>

Starting a remote fling I?m using my K2 coupled via an Akoya laptop PC to:  Ham Radio Deluxe, Teamviewer and Skype.
I?m puzzled by the squelch setting on Ham Radio Deluxe which for unknown reasons tend to slide up to the 80 digit whenever closing down the system.
This extremely annoying when I work the K2 in a normal detached mode, where I find the K2 squelched down unless signals are very strong.
Is there a push-button way to delete the squelched condition on the K2 itself.?

Hans, OZ5RB

From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 10:02:31 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:02:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Lack of low freq response K3 ssb rx audio
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-wpPcYMsdCPs8WtcN+R9Kz22F1sTpjfi2qLHX5qXt3WQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pulling my hair out on this one, but let me keep it real simple.  This
is on a K3s and all hardware/firmware is latest/greatest.

Filter: 6KHz
Mode: USB
BW: 4.00KHz

My question is this:

*Why does the audio passband dramatically roll off in the lower frequencies
as my Shift/FC goes above 1.40Khz?  *


I would think that there wouldn't be any bass rolloff until FC was above
2.0KHz (i.e., half of 4KHz BW).  Instead, what I'm observing is:
    - with FC of 1.6KHz, I see  -8dB at 100Hz
    - with FC of 1.8KHz, I see -15dB at 100Hz

I'm using Line Out to soundcard and Visual Analyser 2014 software.  It
mirrors what I hear in my headphones.

73, Barry N1EU

From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Sun Jan 31 10:31:10 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:31:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2, squelch lock in
In-Reply-To: <EFA9BB1E-4996-441A-A727-D5F97F736566@me.com>
References: <EFA9BB1E-4996-441A-A727-D5F97F736566@me.com>
Message-ID: <56AE28BE.4080807@mediacombb.net>

Tap menu, tap display should be the first item in the secondary menu 
Squelch (SLCH)
It's page 100 in my manual.
File a bug report with HRD, good luck.

On 1/31/2016 7:27 AM, Hans Bonnesen wrote:
> Starting a remote fling I?m using my K2 coupled via an Akoya laptop PC to:  Ham Radio Deluxe, Teamviewer and Skype.
> I?m puzzled by the squelch setting on Ham Radio Deluxe which for unknown reasons tend to slide up to the 80 digit whenever closing down the system.
> This extremely annoying when I work the K2 in a normal detached mode, where I find the K2 squelched down unless signals are very strong.
> Is there a push-button way to delete the squelched condition on the K2 itself.?
>
> Hans, OZ5RB
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Jan 31 10:55:44 2016
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:55:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] RF Exposure Levels
Message-ID: <C55792D1-4264-486B-9A9D-E18BF23D295B@law.du.edu>

Thanks, Bob.  I received a couple of other private replies raising the 
same question, about RF exposure using an amp and an indoor antenna.  
There is an RF exposure calculator available on the ARRL?s site, or 
directly at http://hintlink.com/power_density.htm.  My configuration at 
100 watts is only about 1/4 of the safe maximum.  Nonetheless your caution 
is appreciated and well advised - hence my posting the calculator site 
here for any others who might be sitting close to their antennas.

Ted, KN1CBR


------------------------------

Message: 21
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:48:29 -0600
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXAT100 "Hunting"
Message-ID: <56AD59DD.3070600 at blomand.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed


Candidly, I would be more concerned about exceeding the RF Exposure 
limits with this arrangement.  Perhaps the "Tuner issue" is an 
indication of such.  From your description, at 100 watts you will likely 
be way outside of the FCC limits of safe RF Exposure.

Now with that said, the amount of RF at the TUNE level is not such to 
confuse the tuner.  However at 40+ watts the RF back into the system is 
more than the system can accurately handle.  A bunch of #31 beads or #73 
beads, where "bunch" = 50 pcs or more, on the feed line at the antenna 
feed point and again a bunch at the radio. This may help the radio and 
antenna problem associated with the auto tune routine.  You may find the 
same treatment required on the DC power cable at the radio.

73
Bob, K4TAX



>------------------------------
>
>Message: 21
>Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:48:29 -0600
>From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXAT100 "Hunting"
>Message-ID: <56AD59DD.3070600 at blomand.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>
>Candidly, I would be more concerned about exceeding the RF Exposure 
>limits with this arrangement.  Perhaps the "Tuner issue" is an 
>indication of such.  From your description, at 100 watts you will likely 
>be way outside of the FCC limits of safe RF Exposure.
>
>Now with that said, the amount of RF at the TUNE level is not such to 
>confuse the tuner.  However at 40+ watts the RF back into the system is 
>more than the system can accurately handle.  A bunch of #31 beads or #73 
>beads, where "bunch" = 50 pcs or more, on the feed line at the antenna 
>feed point and again a bunch at the radio. This may help the radio and 
>antenna problem associated with the auto tune routine.  You may find the 
>same treatment required on the DC power cable at the radio.
>
>73
>Bob, K4TAX

From nn8b.oh at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 11:27:39 2016
From: nn8b.oh at gmail.com (Donald Kemp)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 11:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and Rigblaster Blue
Message-ID: <CAM7HtVdt+ywT37m3whGvxJY2Rm44tJkrYO7T_G=+2Rxu6QF65A@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone used a Rigblaster Blue with their KX3 and control the digi modes
with a Kindle Fire or Android phone?

-- 
73,
Don, NN8B

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 31 11:38:09 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 11:38:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KX3
In-Reply-To: <539712482.2149991.1454174680263.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <539712482.2149991.1454174680263.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<539712482.2149991.1454174680263.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56AE3871.2@embarqmail.com>

Tomy,

The options you select for the KX3 will mostly be determined by your 
operating aspirations and your antenna system.
If you do not have resonant antennas for all bands, then you will want 
the KXAT3.
If you envision portable operation working on batteries, you may want 
the internal battery charger.
If you are operating in a DX pileup or contesting situation, you may 
want to add the KXFIL3 roofing filters.
If you want 2 meter capability, then add the 2 meter option.

In other words, give thought to your antennas and the operation that you 
anticipate with your KX3 and you will be able to configure it to best 
suit your needs.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/30/2016 12:24 PM, Tomy Ivan via Elecraft wrote:
> Looking to buy a nice KX3 Package.Please let me know what to have. 73! Tomy KF7GC
>


From jimfinan at att.net  Sun Jan 31 12:51:12 2016
From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 12:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3
In-Reply-To: <20160130231730.5869648.85985.30522@att.net>
References: <56AD3A6B.70404@verizon.net>
	<20160130231730.5869648.85985.30522@att.net>
Message-ID: <20160131175112.5869648.60586.30565@att.net>

Update: measured the fans and they're 60mm.?

Jim
AB4AC

Jim?Finan
?
Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone.
? Original Message ?
From: Jim Finan
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 6:19 PM
To: drewko; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3

I use Noctua fans for most everything. Have used them for years and haven't had any failures. I use them for all systems I build for clients and myself. They have several varieties for each size and the ones with rubber mounts are generally the most quiet. ?Also have a choice of 3 and 4 pin plugs.

While most of their fans come with rubber mounting hardware, the ones I suggest have rubber inserts surrounding the bolt/screw holes?.

Noctua is an Austrian company but fans are built in the orient. Top quality with 'SSO2' bearings.?

Both Amazon and Newegg have them and the prices generally run from about $15-18. Just make sure the specs (CFM) ?match (or are better).

While I haven't measured them on mine, they look like 80mm.

Jim
AB4AC
Jim?Finan
?
Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone.
? Original Message ?
From: drewko
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 5:35 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Reply To: drewko1 at verizon.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Quiet fans for K3

What are the current options for quiet fans for the K3? My original fans 
are pretty quiet but at this time of the year when the windows are 
closed and the ambient noise level is nil, the fan noise really starts 
to bug me. It's the very slight rattle they make when they start winding 
up.. (In the din of summertime, can't hear myself think, let alone fan 
noise.)

Sources? Prices?

Are the newer Elecraft fans quiet? My PA is only a couple of years old 
so the fans are pretty recent model.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jan 31 12:56:48 2016
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:56:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <56AE4AE0.5050808@coho.net>

Good Morning,
     Our normal rain has turned to snow; luckily that also means the sun 
is back.  Other than for the rare glimpse this is the first I have seen 
of the sun since mid-November.  Currently the trees are covered with 
hoar frost awaiting the first touch of sunlight.
     Conditions have been fair to OK this week so chances are you can 
hear my signal.  I am looking forward to the dry season when I can 
perform an antenna rejuvenation project.  Or collect all the odds and 
ends from many previous antennas and build the next one.  I'll need to 
work on my archery skills so I can hit the higher limbs necessary for my 
inverted-V.

Please join us on:

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

    73,
        Kevin.  KD5ONS

From km6cq at km6cq.com  Sun Jan 31 13:22:17 2016
From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:22:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] I had a KX4 Vision
Message-ID: <CADH=N1txhvsc1=2ZXzhVyC0=4SKM8FCSJf393eEssA0jdW4-jA@mail.gmail.com>

While working the 160 meter contest of which I enjoyed immensely. I had a
vision of a KX4. It was a screen with a home button. It ran multiple apps
and had the option of a second and third screen.

I also saw a black box version for a bring your own tablet solution.

Then I noticed I must have nodded off for a second.

But I believe Eric and Wayne can build you just about anything you are

willing to pay for.


Dan KM6CQ


-- 
KM6CQ
Dan Baker

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 31 13:48:08 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:48:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] I had a KX4 Vision
In-Reply-To: <CADH=N1txhvsc1=2ZXzhVyC0=4SKM8FCSJf393eEssA0jdW4-jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADH=N1txhvsc1=2ZXzhVyC0=4SKM8FCSJf393eEssA0jdW4-jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AE56E8.6090509@socal.rr.com>

Sounds like an iPhone or some such. A tad larger I 
imagine? :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/31/16 10:22 AM, Dan Baker wrote:
> While working the 160 meter contest of which I enjoyed immensely. I had a
> vision of a KX4. It was a screen with a home button. It ran multiple apps
> and had the option of a second and third screen.
>
> I also saw a black box version for a bring your own tablet solution.
>
> Then I noticed I must have nodded off for a second.
>
> But I believe Eric and Wayne can build you just about anything you are
>
> willing to pay for.
>
>
> Dan KM6CQ
>
>


From cowchip at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 31 14:05:03 2016
From: cowchip at ca.rr.com (NK6A-Don Minkoff)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 11:05:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] hum in K3 when above 30W
Message-ID: <56AE5ADF.7030301@ca.rr.com>

I have a K3, Ser no 4569, that all of a sudden is giving me a 
transformer like hum when I transmit above 30 W.  Does something need 
tightening all of a sudden? This is a very annoying. Anyone else 
experience this and find a fix?

-- 
Don Minkoff
NK6A

IDXC April 15-17, 2016


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 31 14:12:42 2016
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:12:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] hum in K3 when above 30W
In-Reply-To: <56AE5ADF.7030301@ca.rr.com>
References: <56AE5ADF.7030301@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <56AE5CAA.7070103@embarqmail.com>

Have you considered that it could be coming from your power supply? Try 
another power supply or run it from a large battery as a test.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/31/2016 2:05 PM, NK6A-Don Minkoff wrote:
> I have a K3, Ser no 4569, that all of a sudden is giving me a 
> transformer like hum when I transmit above 30 W.  Does something need 
> tightening all of a sudden? This is a very annoying. Anyone else 
> experience this and find a fix?
>


From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Sun Jan 31 14:25:32 2016
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 13:25:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] I had a KX4 Vision
In-Reply-To: <56AE56E8.6090509@socal.rr.com>
References: <CADH=N1txhvsc1=2ZXzhVyC0=4SKM8FCSJf393eEssA0jdW4-jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56AE56E8.6090509@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <56AE5FAC.3080305@mediacombb.net>

It already exists. It's called a laptop.

On 1/31/2016 12:48 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Sounds like an iPhone or some such. A tad larger I imagine? :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/31/16 10:22 AM, Dan Baker wrote:
>> While working the 160 meter contest of which I enjoyed immensely. I 
>> had a
>> vision of a KX4. It was a screen with a home button. It ran multiple 
>> apps
>> and had the option of a second and third screen.
>>
>> I also saw a black box version for a bring your own tablet solution.
>>
>> Then I noticed I must have nodded off for a second.
>>
>> But I believe Eric and Wayne can build you just about anything you are
>>
>> willing to pay for.
>>
>>
>> Dan KM6CQ
>>
>>
>
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From n1eu.barry at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 16:00:16 2016
From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:00:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Lack of low freq response K3 ssb rx audio
Message-ID: <CALHj_b-nwB0HNx9V+Ovrs4aO70bW1MR+ONEoai0MffdCGnNUFg@mail.gmail.com>

I made some spectrum curves of the 4KHz BW rx passband with FC of 1.00,
1.50 and 2.00 to illustrate what I'm talking about.  This list bounces
image attachments so if you're interested, please look at them here:
http://k3s.wikidot.com/

The posted curves have been verified on another K3 and RX EQ is flat.

My original question was:  Why does the audio passband dramatically roll
off in the lower frequencies as my Shift/FC goes above 1.40Khz?

I think the spectrum curves partly answer the question.  They reveal a  a
maximum passband width of 3300Hz (-3dB points) in SSB even though BW is
4000Hz,  within a 6KHz wide roofing filter.  I don't understand the
discrepancy between selected bandwidth and what the K3/K3s is providing.

For comparison, a passband curve in AM mode is also shown and it reveals
extended flat response from below 50hz to almost 4000Hz.

73, Barry N1EU


>
> On 1/31/2016 9:02 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>
> I'm pulling my hair out on this one, but let me keep it real simple.  This
> is on a K3s and all hardware/firmware is latest/greatest.
>
> Filter: 6KHz
> Mode: USB
> BW: 4.00KHz
>
> My question is this:
>
> *Why does the audio passband dramatically roll off in the lower frequencies
> as my Shift/FC goes above 1.40Khz?  *
>
>
> I would think that there wouldn't be any bass rolloff until FC was above
> 2.0KHz (i.e., half of 4KHz BW).  Instead, what I'm observing is:
>     - with FC of 1.6KHz, I see  -8dB at 100Hz
>     - with FC of 1.8KHz, I see -15dB at 100Hz
>
> I'm using Line Out to soundcard and Visual Analyser 2014 software.  It
> mirrors what I hear in my headphones.
>
> 73, Barry N1EU
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>

From paulnf8j at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:09:38 2016
From: paulnf8j at gmail.com (Paul VanOveren)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
Message-ID: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>

I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 31 21:39:38 2016
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:39:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
In-Reply-To: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AEC56A.20901@socal.rr.com>

It might be difficult to find anyone here to 
disagree with you about the K3 system, Paul :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>
> NF8J
> Paul


From alsopb at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 21:57:49 2016
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 02:57:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
In-Reply-To: <56AEC56A.20901@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
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The question is why you worked 15 ATNO's.   It may be totally unrelated 
to the K LINE.

One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500 
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.  So tell me how the K 
LINE makes up for that loss and then some.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
> K3 system, Paul :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
>> and
>> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
>> 374
>> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
>> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
>> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
>> work.
>> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
>> hole
>> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>>
>> NF8J
>> Paul
>
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From cf at cfcorp.com  Sun Jan 31 21:57:18 2016
From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
In-Reply-To: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <014901d15c9c$44d442b0$ce7cc810$@com>

Antennas?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul
VanOveren
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:10 PM
To: elecraft reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the pwr
output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the switch
and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul
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From n0nb at n0nb.us  Sun Jan 31 22:17:39 2016
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:17:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
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	<014901d15c9c$44d442b0$ce7cc810$@com>
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* On 2016 31 Jan 21:00 -0600, Cliff Frescura wrote:
> Antennas?

That, and I think that a new radio and a reborn interest in operating
likely had a lot to do with it for him.  At least that is the way it
worked for me.

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 22:18:43 2016
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:18:43 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
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I don't get it to be honest.
Why is there an obsession with 1500w?
Seriously, I do not believe I have 'missed' working a popular DX party because I DON'T  have 1500w to play with.
I do know that I can be heard amongst the cacophony of noise in a pileup. Does that make me work harder?....sure it does, but I still get the same thrill of the contact and I don't have as much qrm issues in VK either......it's all relative?
I like my no nonsense kpa500, no more tuning up issues, no expensive amp ir tubes, instant on etc 
Yep I have had a big tube amp in the past and I genuinely don't miss it, really.
So yes I do enjoy my k-line and I have Wayne and Eric to thank for letting me enjoy my wireless....grin
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "brian" <alsopb at comcast.net>
Sent: ?1/?02/?2016 12:58 PM
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

The question is why you worked 15 ATNO's.   It may be totally unrelated 
to the K LINE.

One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500 
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.  So tell me how the K 
LINE makes up for that loss and then some.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
> K3 system, Paul :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
>> and
>> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
>> 374
>> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
>> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
>> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
>> work.
>> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
>> hole
>> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>>
>> NF8J
>> Paul
>
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 22:31:05 2016
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:31:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
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References: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<56aecea2.0e2a620a.4811f.53d3@mx.google.com>
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Operating skill and cunning?  (:-))

73

K0PP

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 23:33:29 2016
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:33:29 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
In-Reply-To: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0nM67VQ96GDZCT2PCcv+wkZms-13oSc-4qgnu8_85FABJtoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56AEE019.9050009@gmail.com>

Once you have a reasonably loud signal and an antenna that allows you to 
hear the DX, the most important attribute of a DX-oriented station is 
agility. You can tune the bands and when you hear something you need to 
be able to jump on it instantly. Get him before he's spotted and the 
pileup builds up. That's where the no-warmup, no-tuning KPA500 helps.

Once the pileup is going, you need to find the stations the DX is 
working and figure out the operator's pattern. That's where the 
subreceiver and the P3 are useful.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 1 Feb 2016 03:09, Paul VanOveren wrote:
> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>
> NF8J
> Paul
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From wes at triconet.org  Sun Jan 31 23:36:58 2016
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:36:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
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Works for me.  http://qrz.com/db/N7WS


On 1/31/2016 8:31 PM, Rose wrote:
> Operating skill and cunning?  (:-))
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Sun Jan 31 23:56:46 2016
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:56:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line
Message-ID: <BLU404-EAS31166440D8E50E5B54344709EDE0@phx.gbl>

K3KO said:

?One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.? 1500 W -> 500 
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.? That is huge in a pileup.?

True, and I notice it here when I get beat by other W6s with similar stations other than the amp.  I live with it given the incredible integration of the KPA500: I have the amps in a closet and never touch them. They just work.

My hope is that Elecraft becomes a giant corporation with enough R&D capital to bring back the KPA1500! Come on guys, buy more stuff!!

Ken K6MR


On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
> K3 system, Paul :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
>> and
>> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
>> 374
>> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
>> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
>> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
>> work.
>> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
>> hole
>> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>>
>> NF8J
>> Paul
>